lore-discussion-spoilers

[lyric mountain]

I think that ones just a case of "it hasn't come up yet" for the deves

[frigid tinsel]

Season of agriculture when

[tranquil harbor]

I want my skid to frolic thru a field of wheat, dragging some poor friend along while I uber

[lyric mountain]

I want a combine harvester

[marsh rivet]

this is in no way adding to the lore but i feel like granny rn, knitting is so fun. I understand why she can just sit there for hours knitting in her little snow hut. i miss her

[keen shore]

THE ULTIMATE CHEESING TO END ALL CHEESINGS

[frigid tinsel]

now I'm thinking back to "can a skykid be crushed?" discussion and the mega essay I wrote musing over it that concluded with "prob not when they have light cos skids are op"

[sharp lichen]

cheese finale

[lyric isle]

feast is a time i dont wanna remember for a specific reason in-game

will not elaborate unless asked

that’s irrelevant but h. the ode to joy sheet has such irony to it to me

CHEESE FINALE

[sharp lichen]

Skykids are strong. Even if you manage to squash them with a truck or something, they could just teleport away or get up unharmed

[lyric isle]

random question

is it okay to ignore something that’s canon to replace it with your headcanons for your own wellbeing to avoid overthinking and the like?

[lyric mountain]

Probably? Sky canon is held together by quotes of quotes, concept art and hot glue anyway. And I doubt certain things were super thought out anyway

[tranquil harbor]

Yes. The idea that we actually have to listen to canon is way too prevalent in fandom now-a-days. Do what you want, have fun with it.
Just don't go telling people that stuff is absolutely canon when it isn't. That's misleading.

[lyric isle]

phew. I can ignore a few patch notes that have been troubling me

how did I only recently realise

[tranquil harbor]

The patch notes are super dubious as it is. I don't seriously entertain the idea that any of the patch notes are canon. (From a lore prospective. Obviously changes to the game are real)
Doesn't stop me from yanking what I like into my sandbox tho

[lyric mountain]

Yeah, I think a lot of the patch note comments are just lil jokes or a reward for actually reading them

[sharp lichen]

We are the ones who control the canon, not Sky. It’s perfectly fine to mold what you think of Sky lore into your own, wonderful image

[keen shore]

to be honest there are some parts of Sky lore where that perception makes me uncomfortable, especially in relation to gender

[lyric isle]

yeah tbh this is mainly to do with ex-qg. so I can believe whatever I want about what they’re doing good

I always could but wasn’t sure

[tranquil harbor]

That's kinda the point of the lore being 'vague and up to interpretation.' So players can have fun with it. Maybe we do chase canon too much sometimes

[keen shore]

Mostly, ignoring canon is an okay mindset and I don’t really care. It’s only when that mindset is applied to spirit genders that I dislike it

[tranquil harbor]

Let's just not get into that subject at all

[keen shore]

I would prefer to be allowed to express my discomfort with things, thank you.

[lyric isle]

thank for letting us know about it

[tranquil harbor]

Getting too deep will just cause a big drama ball in lorechat, and then the mods will yell at us.

[sharp lichen]

If I remember correctly, isn’t it canon that ancestors and spirits don’t have gender?

[frigid tinsel]

canonically, all the beings of sky are agender. unfortunately too much of the Sky community doesn't know that or doesn't care

[keen shore]

please do not reduce my discomfort with transphobia and things that feel similar to it as “drama”

[tranquil harbor]

I'm not going to get into this with you.

Anyone got any theories?

[frigid tinsel]

I got one: Enna should not shut down discussion because the topic makes her confront her bias

[tranquil harbor]

sigh Don't make me get a mod

[high cedar]

Why would you have discomfort about gender?

I mean, why is that an uncomfortable topic?
I'm asking because I would like clarification rather than assuming the worst. I genuinely don't know why gender would be an uncomfortable topic for you

[frigid tinsel]

why? cos you'd rather side with a transphobe and further upset the nonbinary people in the channel to "keep the peace?"
there's a reason Salem left

now that's drama

[tranquil harbor]

It's not gender that is an uncomfortable topic for me, but rather the fact that it's very important to people can cause it to get heated and go south very fast. And considering Alasdair and Salem are ready to drag me through the mud, I was correct to try to avoid it. I'm getting a mod.

[high cedar]

I feel like it's best not to assume the worst and to let them explain why they have that discomfort. I'm relatively late to the argument. So I don't even know what part of the gender topic makes them uncomfortable.

[tranquil harbor]

I'm just plain not engaging farther. I realize this means I'm giving up a chance to defend myself, but I'm just not playing this game.

[frigid tinsel]

the discussion could go south but it very well cannot, as it has many times before. you're making it go south. just be respectful, it's not that hard

[crimson grove]

Hey now, let's take a step back from the arguing. All discussions are allowed as long as our server rules are followed and chat is kept respectful, but members are also free to express discomfort and ask for the topic to be changed for some reason and none of this needs to turn heated.

It's clear that there's some history here so if anyone would like to explain it to us in #contact-the-mods in greater detail, please do so

[keen shore]

thank you. I feel really exhausted and drained at the moment but I will try to explain.

So all the people in Sky are canonically agender, right? My sadness with this is how much just casual ignorance I’ve experienced over the topic. Ppl treating gender like it’s open to interpretation if the people in question are non-binary. Gendering them anyway despite the closest we’ll get to direct confirmation. A handful of ignorant comments relating to gender having to exist in Sky because there’s cosmetics that appear masculine or feminine to us as humans. And this is the big one - seeing people I formerly respected and wanted to be friends with prefer to defend the people saying this kind of stuff rather than call it out when they see it.

It’s just exhausting and it piles up — well it Has piled up -- a lot. It’s hard to feel safe and accepted as a non-binary person in the sky fandom when it’s so pervasive.

That’s why I mentioned that I didn’t like the whole “up to interpretation” mindset when it applied to spirit genders, because it feels too similar to erasure. In a world where us non-binary people get basically peanut shells for representation, the hurt feels horribly amplified.

[sharp lichen]

It’s definitely not a topic that’s everywhere, but the lack of acknowledgment for spirit genders (or in this case, lack thereof) is subtly hidden and causes extreme amounts of bias in the Sky community.

[keen shore]

It just kinda makes me wonder each time, yknow. Why do people need to assign genders to everything? Why can’t they just be allowed to be non-binary? It’s hard to explain because it’s definitely one of those things that feels small over and over until it stacks and you can’t take it anymore, but it really, really sucks, and I’m tired of having to deal with it.

[sharp lichen]

Let me ruin #cozy-sky-discussion in one sentence:
“I love crab whisperer! Him and postman are my two favorites”
A real, paraphrased message

[high cedar]

I do agree with you here. I thought the spirits didn't really have a gender or the sky kids. Sure the cosmetics may give off masculine/feminine vibes, but that's because society often genders EVERYTHING. If it vaguely reminds people of a gender, they'll connect and equate the person or spirit in it with said gender. I do wish people would stop associating things with gender so often.

even though I am cis gendered, even I see that it's a big issue that people do XD

[keen shore]

Again, sorry if this explanation doesn’t make a ton of sense. I know it might not seem that hurtful over time, especially if you’re not non-binary [Just because different perspectives and possibly noticing it less and all that] but it builds. Especially when it comes from friends, or when you’re advised to ignore it or just not talk about it at all because it makes the people who don’t have to deal with it uncomfortable, it’s easy to snap.

[frigid tinsel]

a cis person with some self-awareness, unlike some

[keen shore]

It’s especially hard to express anger or discomfort because it’s not directed at any one person, right? It’s so many people and they’re everywhere, and that’s why it hurts so much. They all feed off of and protect and amplify each other.

[high cedar]

I mean, it does help that I'm a lesbian XD

[cursive shadow]

hi lore chat !! u guys think sky kids backs hurt from flying?

[nimble ingot]

Here is a comforting fact.

In the past, video games used to have a split in player character representation between guys and gals.
Meaning when the game wants to put the player as the mascot of the game, some games would have a duo of characters.
Ex. Minecraft = Steve and Alex

Thankfully in Sky. The game just has skykids.
Skykids start out as the humble and lovable moth, and from that point the player is free to customise the character to be whatever they like. They are not bound to a 'boy and girl' setting since the skykid has no gender to start with.
While the skykid can appear masculine or feminine as they wish, they are not bound by that mind set if they want to be something in between or something entirely new.

[tranquil harbor]

Maybe their arms get tired?

[high cedar]

I personally think the ding you hear when bumping into stuff is the sound of skykid bones snapping

[frigid tinsel]

it's frustrating when you're surrounded by people who don't respect you and refuse to accommodate difference cos they consider you "a minority," even when people like you represent the majority in a game where other media refuses to acknowledge your existence

[keen shore]

I ended up getting blindsided by a lot of transphobia in my personal life last week and combined with the casual transphobia and just ignorance in general I was experiencing online, it did boil over. I’ve been doing my absolute best to keep that separate from this chat, though, and it hasnt influenced much I’ve said today — I would have said it anyway even if it didn’t happen.

[pastel brook]

According to my statistics, the Sky kids who sleep at least 8 hours a day are more likely to be... you won't believe it, less sleepy, amazing, right?

[nimble ingot]

Say, June is right around the corner.
How is everyone feeling about the upcoming Days of Rainbow?
It used to take place around this time last year, suppose it would come back 🌈

[lyric mountain]

I think it's been delayed by a month? Issues in testing

[tranquil harbor]

The new rainbows in places like the hermit summit implies yes. I'm looking forward to it

[frigid tinsel]

wut

[cursive shadow]

[lyric mountain]

Apparently some events or items weren't working so it was pushed back for polishing. I don't mind tho - July is around the time UK pride is on anyway

[rough lava]

Here's a question i'm curious about.

How or why do some spirits have capes? were they specifically chosen to have some? and how do some of them have more stars thsn the other, (atleast in my memory, one of them had five stars while some had one)

unless this is a question already answered then i'd like to know or give me theories, thats nice aswell

[open quail]

Can Sky Kids feel pain?

[frigid tinsel]

prob only when afflicted with darkness

[tranquil harbor]

I think the stars on spirit capes is a glitch tbh.

[cursive shadow]

,,,, if they did that makes me realize how horrible eden is

[high cedar]

Maybe they liked the aesthetic?

[frigid tinsel]

except Pride month is in June for most. ig if there's bugs they need to iron out sure but that's still disappointing

[rough lava]

just like mellow apparently stealing a banner then turning it into a scarf

[sharp lichen]

The stars on them are most likely a bug.
Considering , I believe the capes were mainly used for decorational purposes or to possibly shield oneself from the elements.

[high cedar]

They absolutely would XDD

[nimble ingot]

Perhaps it depended on their profession.
Game play wise, spirits might not be able to every detail added, lest it implies a skykid can have it too.
So, to avoid burying skykids in cosmetics, and even out the pace of new content, spirits might have to content with a mutual and diplomatic style.

[open quail]

From Season of Prophecy, I think the capes signify that they can wield air to a certain degree. Not as much as sky kids can but maybe they had a bit of magic and mastery over light

[lyric mountain]

Yeah - it's just buggy. I found the timing funny, UK has pride in July and August due to weather. Helps avoid rain

[nimble ingot]

They have emotes to express pain, and they tend to hold their chest when near death.
so, they are either very tolerant of pain, or they have trouble expressing it in a way that one can notice (unless they emote about it)

ex. when cold from the rain, the skykid may start shivering without the player prompting them to do so.
Ergo, if they can get cold, they can feel pain.

[tranquil harbor]

I wonder how ancestor culture grew to like capes in the first place. I know the irl justification is just 'skids fly with capes, so we need a way to get awesome capes,' but like, why did they become such a varied cosmetic in universe? Spirits have lots of masks, hair, and capes, but very little pants, and I wonder how that came to be.

[sharp lichen]

Answer: capes are extremely cool.

[lyric mountain]

I think it's mostly practicality. If they didn't wear capes, they wouldn't sell them. And if they couldn't use winged light, they wouldn't have any to give us. I also agree with everyone else, in that having capes would be practical for battling the elements or plain ol' fashion

[rough lava]

damn, i guess even the spirits like being dripped out then

[high cedar]

Didn't the markings on the wall in prophecy show a sky kid? Maybe they first saw it at that event depicted in the prophecy cave and ran with it?

[lyric mountain]

That's the prince/king/first child. One of the few recognitions of them in the actual game, but you can find many lore discussions talking about their story

[open quail]

Maybe coldness itself is pain, or a lack of light is considered pain to a Sky Kid, I do notice it takes effort for them to pry their winged lights out of their chest

Maybe when their lights are snuffed out they feel incredibly cold and heavy
Cold doesn't really affect a sky kid but darkness definitely does

[tranquil harbor]

Sky kids seem pretty warm by nature

[nimble ingot]

Until they lose their light that is.

[lyric mountain]

A lot of what we know comes from concept art or writing, but most of the concept stuff seems to have been carried over. The only thing I think is clearly changed was the whole "multiple eras" being simplified

[high cedar]

So maybe the spirits got the idea of capes from them? Since they're the first kid, they'll be way before any of our sky kids entered the realm. That would give them plenty of time to make fancy capes before the land went to ruin

[lyric mountain]

Possibly! I also see it as a bit of a reference to Journey - magic fabric with the power of flight is in both games

[formal skiff]

I WOULD COMMIT CRIMES (disclaimer: not really) FOR A FROLIC EMOTE

[nimble ingot]

The only blind thing in Sky would be a fool (not counting spirits here), or the dark plants.

Sky lore is deep, the farther you go, the darker it gets

[crimson grove]

Hey all, reminder that any discussions about beta and promoting (even indirectly) other servers is against our rules here, so I'll be cleaning some messages. Back to some live lore!

Some non-spoiler beta mentions can be okay, but you all know it also makes it too easy for someone to see that and get carried away

[tranquil harbor]

lol, my joke got deleted

[crimson grove]

What joke

[outer hare]

They all went poof :D!

[nimble ingot]

Back to spirits.
Would one think the elders took inspiration from the spirits of the realm, or vice versa?
I frankly like how the elders have no gender. One can always have their own interpretations from their experience in the game.
Though I find it interesting to see how others see the game.

[outer hare]

What if they never thought of genders. They were just existent. They just never thought.

[tranquil harbor]

I think that's how it actually works. Just plain don't exist in sky.

[nimble ingot]

In real life, some demigods or ancient spirits can have no gender, or no obvious gender to speak of.
Even a god can have no gender, and still go by he/she/they/it when addressed.

[outer hare]

If skykids are a species that simply use their names to address each other is a possibility...

[nimble ingot]

I mean it is canon, so there is not much debate about spirits and elders having a gender.

[open quail]

I do think the spirits were really inspired by the light creatures

[outer hare]

They were very spiritual folk. Connected to the lands.

[tranquil harbor]

The light creatures are sky's animals, and even humans are strongly inspired by our animals. It's the same in that regard

[patent elk]

Guys, I can't there is too much to process all at once but I don't mind tbh

[outer hare]

Bobbit ^^ have a great day 💜

[nimble ingot]

This is less lore heavy, and more on the players.
If a skykid gets hurt and a friend is nearby, the friend would come to help.
But what if it is a squabble among skykids, what then?

Again, less lore oriented and a hypothetical about skykids.

[tranquil harbor]

Squabble as in with the friend nearby or as in they're squabbling with entirely different skids?

[keen shore]

It depends on whose fanfic this is set in

[nimble ingot]

Fair enough, that is true.

[outer hare]

Then they will summon butterfly charmer to heal them both. Put them both in time out. Like a daycare.

[foggy lotus]

just a bunch of kindergarteners fighting over the last cheese string

[high cedar]

Fight to the not death

[outer hare]

It's who will get to take the baby wooly manta this weekend.

[tranquil harbor]

Some kindergartens have 'take the pet/stuffed animal over the weekend' things, that'd be cute

[nimble ingot]

Imagine two chibis fight over one wooly manta. Just to have it split into two identical versions of itself.
I propose that it can multiply when given enough love.

[sharp lichen]

Two chibis fighting over one wooly manta would be extreme disaster.

[keen shore]

For anyone who’s wondering, this message was an alasdair callout post /j

[outer hare]

I think I have multiplied too many...but there could never be too many.

[tranquil harbor]

Alasdair's stuff may be dark but he's really good at it

[outer hare]

Where do you find them 👀 I've only gone as far as fruitzie's fics

[tranquil harbor]

Give Alasdair even the slightest prompting to share their work and they will. There is actually lots in lorechat

[outer hare]

I wants to see 👀 but I have to go struggle 😪 bye chat 💜 bobbit-

[foggy lotus]

[hi so uh lemme toss this into chat and get it active again]
There is such thing as a rock rat trainer, at least in uhhh the universe lotus comes from cough

[frigid tinsel]

oi

[keen shore]

Listen I side with you. Witnessing Amander repeatedly attempt to beat people up and failing each time fills me with glee

[rigid mural]

omg the rock rat timing... i was just done making fanart of nonbinary wooly manta,,,

[placid compass]

aww
how did the wooly thing come about?i see a lot here

[raw crypt]

i love ur username

[rigid mural]

Oh no idea, I think you should ask someone else. They are so cute tho, I saw someone call them the lorechat mascot

[keen shore]

Vela please I am going to cry

[sharp lichen]

I think it came as an explanation for why the Flight spirits have fluffier clothes

[tranquil harbor]

Did Vela not make wooly manta?

[placid compass]

aww

[nimble ingot]

Some may say legend goes that the wooly came into being from the wisps of hair coming from the bearhug hermit's beard.

[nimble ingot]

Wooly manta has been a thing for a while. So who knows

[keen shore]

Wooly mantas happened when someone was talking about fusing how clouds and mantas worked, it kinda snowballed from there I think. This is just what I’ve heard tho, could be wrong — with how much messages get posted here it’s hard to read back and check

[nimble ingot]

Agreed

[tranquil harbor]

they are a blessing unto lorechat, that's all that matters

[lyric isle]

henlo. just saying I’m ok is all - not feeling like talking but wanted to see you lot

[placid compass]

aww that’s cute
i was wondering cos everytime i enter here there’s a cute wooly pic greeting me

[frigid tinsel]

woo

[slate saffron]

Mantawig

[covert carbon]

Guys I can finally contribute something!!!! There’s a symbol inside the music place that I don’t think I’ve seen before, does anyone know what it is?

[frigid tinsel]

it looks like one of the notes on the instrument UI

[slate saffron]

We don't! The one in the middle is a crystal while the other two are specific to the mask (depending on what you believe that is)

[waxen oracle]

It’s the music sheets key buttons

[grizzled swan]

Ooh ooh ooh! It looks like one of the music note buttons!!

[regal forge]

I believe that specific button is C by the way
Probably representing the middle C that is important to all pianos-
The only instrument I know in real life

[regal forge]

Oh my goodness wooly manta is moth approved?! How many stars on yelp do they have

[frigid tinsel]

Found the post Mellow Musician took the banner from

[keen shore]

oh my actual god

[sharp lichen]

The sheer audacity of this person

[uncut pond]

This just made me like Mellow even more
They are straight up unhinged

[formal skiff]

LOLLL

[keen shore]

Did they just grab a random decoration from the front of harmony hall??? I’m losing it

[formal skiff]

“This one looks good, I hope Dreams Guide doesn’t mind” *yoinks *

[wheat cypress]

W h a t.... t h i s i s n e w

It's not that big of a stretch for the circle to be inside the diamond... Because oftentimes in wl and elsewhere the circle is just outside the diamond. As for murals.... I don't think the diamond and the circle have ever been represented in the same place 👀👀👀... Correct me if I'm wrong

In fact...... How many times in Sky murals do we see pure circles....

(off to consult salems masterlist lol)

[rigid mural]

HELP THIS IS THE FUNNIEST THING

[weak osprey]

I am very sorry. I did not know. Am very hyped tho. I is wait.

[frigid tinsel]

no beta stuff here

[weak osprey]

Oops

[frigid tinsel]

me: I have self-control so I am going to avoid peeking at beta stuff
blokes: beta beta beta beta beta

[rigid mural]

i am blokes /j

[placid compass]

i want to look at beta but i also want to be surprised
insert cry emote lvl 6

[rigid mural]

sorry for my absence lately, i am indeed in beta hell (affectionate)
just saying that we will indeed feast this summer

[sharp lichen]

I have spoiled myself. Not revealing anything now

[frigid tinsel]

that's the thing – I know I will feast myself with that juicy beta content and want to talk about it but I can't

[formal skiff]

I’m going to be gone this summer I hope it’s all still fresh and exciting when I return

[keen shore]

[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FQgj2Ii1A9p1kSly9rehvZU-fPsKtGazuEGvE3Od-Bg] updated the mural masterlist doc with the harmony hall stuff!

[thin dirge]

Ooh, Salem, do you have screenshots of the old murals before the new intro came in?

I mentioned them because they kinda tell some kind of narrative with the other Isle murals

[keen shore]

Like the old intro for the entire game? Complicated story. I don’t technically, but tgc hid the assets for that on a Boulder way outside home and apparentlh you can oob there. I got screenshots ages ago from fitz, but due to the mural’s size they need to be retraced in an art program to be visually readable, and I keep putting that off

[frigid tinsel]

TGC your assets pls

[covert carbon]

Your assets,
Hand them over 🤲

[thin dirge]

Not old intro, the ones in the cave that got replaced by the new ones! They actually appear to tell some narrative with the other murals... the four people on boats murals each holding a star and the one with the same four people heading to the temple. (the ones seen on a rock).
The older murals and those murals tell some kind of story, as all of them but the first mural depict exactly four figures and can be put into chronological order. I theorized a long time ago that they were the events before Prophecy!

I mentioned them because I still consider them to be important

[keen shore]

Butter please you need to be more specific, There’s like 10 caves with murals in them in Sky. Do you mean these???

[frigid tinsel]

do you mean this?

[thin dirge]

Yeah, those caves. The tunnel cave you first enter when you're a moth and where the new intro into Sky now plays. Before that, there were some murals that appeared there as you walk through those.

First one shows three figures kneeling and and presumably praying, under some starry sky
Second one then shows stars falling. If you count them, four. The first one is see falling, then the second one is found by two figures. The other two falls and there's another two rejoicing.

There was also another mural in Candlemaker's cave (Back then, they were called "Pointing Pilgrim"), and it's the last piece of the murals, where it again shows four figures and Isle Elder sending the four lights up. This is no replaced with the new murals when Pilgrim was changed to Candlemaker!

I'll just find the screenshots

[keen shore]

Is it an alteration of this mural?

[thin dirge]

Yep. Major difference here is that only four lights are seen being sent up and four figures are seen kneeling next to Isle.

[keen shore]

By the way, you don’t need to describe the intro cave murals to be lol. I’ve seen them a billion times.

Just to be sure, you’re not talking about this one either, right? If not I think I know which one you mean, just have to find the image

#lore-discussion-spoilers message third picture here?

[thin dirge]

Sorry, was busy grabbing these, but was talking about these murals

[native shoal]

Oh I peeked the second I heard it was out, not gonna say anything other than it’ll be good

[thin dirge]

Yep!

[keen shore]

The ones you sent are old ones, I don’t think I’ve ever seen them before. They do seem to be abt ushering stargazers memory yeah

[thin dirge]

No, these existed before Ushering Stargazer's memory was changed, actually. Stargazer and Candlemaker had entirely different memories, and I think they were changed right when intro changed as well, which was in mid Prophecy Season. I believe they may have been about the Prophets before Prophecy. Noticed how there's murals that consistently had four figures and four stars, in exception to the first one?

[thin dirge]

If you look at them closely, you'll notice there's a chronological story here.

1. Three figures praying
2. Four lights fall, four figures finds the lights
3. Goes on four boats, four figures each carrying a light
4. Same four figures found in front of temple
5. Elder seen sending up four lights to the sky, four figures praying next to them.

You could see there's an actual story here. And I don't think it's about Stargazer. It's about some four ancestors who found these four lights and sent them to Isle Elder. And the one Season that had four spirits and was about collecting four lights? Prophecy...

[frigid tinsel]

There are no concepts of ancestors getting corrupted but here are what’s closest to dark plants concepts by Tom Zhao

[burnt cove]

I like this dark plant 👌

[quaint iris]

I dunno if this is related to lore stuff but this is so cool

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[weak osprey]

Meditation theory :

We meditate in order to interact with meditation areas and quests.

Meditation is so that we can adjust ourselves to the frequency of a memory or place in order to be in sync with it. That's how we are able to to interact with spirits within an area of a quest. We are synced to the memory/place. Mediation also allows us to reach out and learn from memories as well as leave our own imprint on the memory/area.

Conclusion: Meditation unlocks interactions because we're being vibe checked. If the vibe ain't synced, we ain't in.

[outer hare]

Did anybody think? That ancestor's or skykids had vocal cords after hearing cheering at home when you go close to the valley portal. Cause I sure did.

[nimble ingot]

Skykids, ancestors and elders all have a voice (i.o.w. vocal chords)

Even if the game is iconic for not having any verbal dialogue, it is aparant that the character can communicate with each other.

Perhaps it is a stylistic choice to not include voice acting, or a limitation.

It would be fascinating to hear an elder or ancestor, or skykid to say a word.
Though that may as well be up to the devs.

[copper stump]

Sky kids make sounds though

[nimble ingot]

Sounds but not words.
The closest we have to speech in the game is the vocalisations ( music sung) by Aurora. An artist that did the singing we hear in Dawn and Orbit.

[copper stump]

Still, by picking one of the sounds, you can make expression as well. I think it’s just about not involving language in it. Think the mumbles of the sims or something but taken a step further

Even in just English, depending on the place you are cultural differences are huge, so excluding language makes us express in a more core way

[nimble ingot]

Hmm fair point.
If the characters were to speak. They would either have spoken a language that is either unique to the story, or a exotic language like latin or hebrew (my apologies for using dead language), or just english for players to listen to.

Nothing is more universal than simple verbalisation and a gestures.

[placid compass]

man i wish the more horrifying designs made it into abyss why couldn’t have leviathan been any of those

[copper stump]

The part where there is so little language makes it possible for kids in my native language to play as well, before learning English even

Gestures are less universal as thought though haha but the prescribed set in sky works

[stark quarry]

I can imagine my skykid with hornet voice when speaking (from hollow knight)

[nimble ingot]

That is true.

Take a greeting for example.
Skykids would usually use the bow, wave, or an emote they take as a greeting (such as a blow kiss, or even a leap for example)
Some may be culturally influence (such as the bow from Eastern Asia) or a westernised wave gesture, while others could develop through game play such as the blow kiss emote being a friendly and playful gesture in the context of the game.

[uncut pond]

What about the second performance quest? The one where our skid literally narrates a story?

[clear glacier]

Technically text instead of vocals

[uncut pond]

Possibly an artistic choice because voice acting is expensive, and because it wouldn't fit the narrative style TGC is known for (mostly visual storytelling)

[regal forge]

So do we think the valley elders statue was built like that or it was one whole statue and when there was 2 elders they just sorta chop chopped the thing in half?
if you don’t know what I mean: the valley elder statue is two unconnected halves, one side for each elder

[sharp lichen]

I think it’s the latter, to represent two parts of a whole

[unreal shuttle]

I like to think spirits and elders have vocal cords and Sky kids are like parrots

[nimble ingot]

Those are just text, not spoken words.

The game would change language depending on one's device. So even if the text is in english for you, it could be in French for someone else.

[copper stump]

it is actually the first 'necessary' language in game though, even though if you cant read at all you can just tap something random to get trough it

[nimble ingot]

1. Nice profile picture. 👍

2. skykids mimic a lot of things. Sounds is not a limitation to them.

[copper stump]

Much like meditation actually, just tap a letter or emoticon

[nimble ingot]

That is what sky does tbh.
To those that are not into the lore, they can simply walk past it and still enjoy the game.
It does not mean that the lore is useless, but instead adds another layer to game play experience for those who are interested.

[unreal shuttle]

1. Hahaha thanks Yours is awesome 2) And yeah that’s what I was thinking they mimic sound like parrots so maybe they can talk but doesn’t know what they really means, maybe honks are already words in sky but we understand it just as sound

[uncut pond]

That's obvious. If they spoke in their native language no one would understand anything, so of course the game translates it for the player.
Besides, text is how the game communicates it to us, in-universe the skid might actually be speaking

[white junco]

the prairie elder yawns and generally makes a lot of noise during their cutscene :]

[south depot]

can someone dm me a link to where i can find the lore

or just actually send it here and @ me i realize now i’ll probably get too many dms

[white junco]

bold of you to assume we’re that organized /lh
we do have some lore docs, but they’re very much in need of some major updates

[placid compass]

i’d like to think that when spirits “talk” it’s instrument noises
forest spirits would sound more like woodwind, prairie would be percussion,valley would be brass etc

[regal forge]

sky kid falls over
: trumpet bwa bwa bwaaaa

[unreal shuttle]

I know there are link with some docs but I personally don’t have it I can make you a resume of what I know by far but

[white junco]

unfortunately we don’t currently have an accurate, centralized place for sky lore, your best bet would be to ask questions in the chat!

[sharp lichen]

#lore-discussion-spoilers is the link. Lore is right here, for you to ask about and find out!

[south depot]

ufhrbeuehbt i just wanna spend hours reading

[sharp lichen]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message then backread the entire channel /hj

But seriously, do you have any questions about Sky lore?

[white junco]

i’d love to have a link to give ya mate but none currently exist 😔

[south depot]

it’s alright i’ll just go on youtube

[uncut pond]

we aren't allowed to even mention beta stuff here

[marsh rivet]

(vanishes)

[uncut pond]

But yeah, we're gonna have a lot to discuss when everything comes to live, but until that happens we can't talk about it

[regal forge]

Sky kid gets their hands on the fire light from prophecy and everytime they pull out their candle it burns with the power of 17 flamethrowers

[clear glacier]

ok but like i saw fanart of anthropomorfic manta and krill and that makes me think
what if those creatures used to be skids? like the light ones were those that transcended sky kid mortality while the dark ones are basically condemned

[regal forge]

That sounds epic
But May I ask what the condemned sky kids did

[uncut pond]

where do I find this fanart

[wicked plank]

ImIve been playing sky for a few weeks and im still not up to speed on the lore, what exactly happened to the sky civilization?

[regal forge]

We’re not fully sure as there isn’t much canon information but I believe someone sent a Google doc of what we have so far further up in the chat

On a different note there was a type of apocalypse involving a character we don’t see in game called ‘the king’
(They have concept art if you’d like to look into it)
And Eden’s large power diamond

We (sky kids) were sent down to restore the constellations and help bring balance back to the world of sky

This is a very basic rundown by the way not getting into many specifics

[sharp lichen]

They completely died out, due to the Eden Storm.

[wicked plank]

do we know what caused the storm?

[regal forge]

Hey we were talking about a fireworks staffs actual purpose once but isn’t the isle constellation literally a firework staff??

[keen shore]

Pssst we got another fursona ts hint yesterday. I don’t know if you noticed. I remembered you liked them last time so wanted 2 check

[uncut pond]

Oh I didn't notice (I usually miss all of the TS hints lol)

[frigid tinsel]

it's unclear what exactly led to the downfall of the kingdom but one can make some assumptions based on the evidence we got.

for one thing, there is a lot of darkness around. given the majority of the beings of Sky are beings of light while darkness, as a force, consumes light, the astronomical presence of darkness could have overwhelmed the ancestors' civilization and all other light creatures. there's a thought that darkness and light are supposed to be natural forces in balance. yet the amount of darkness in the world dramatically increased and consumed more light.

what caused this unbalance? a leading idea is the ancestors' reliance on darkstone technology and power diamonds, the manufacturing of which likely produces darkness. the Wasteland might have been the industrial hub for power diamond manufacturing, given the amount of pipes there that might've been for dumping the byproduct of dark water in the nearby ocean. the Wasteland was not always a wasteland. as reliance on darkstone technology increased, so did the demand for power diamonds, so more were made despite the darkness it produced, sickening and killing beings of light in the meanwhile.

then there's the hellscape that is Eden. most point to that giant red diamond in stormlock. it might've been an experiment, an offering, or created to be an ultimate power source for the kingdom. something went wrong, corrupting the giant diamond. this Eden calamity might've been an explosion that rocked the kingdom and killed many people within proximity or did something to the Elders that locked them in their pocket dimensions. there's a rumored Eden Elder or king who might've been obliterated in the blast.

the now-corrupted giant diamond likely powers the Storm, spreading darkness throughout the whole world and creating apocalyptic conditions that led the ancestors and other beings of light to their extinction.

and that's where skykids come in – to save their spirits lost to darkness.

not allowed to talk about beta stuff here

[lilac field]

Oh im so sorry

[frigid tinsel]

at this point, I don't even to go into beta channels to know what's going on next season

[uncut pond]

Linux fursona (if you know, you know)

[formal skiff]

what was it
Edit: I seee

[rigid mural]

Look Gary, I'm on TV !

[ocean saddle]

okpog

[spark cairn]

Is there a list a spirit fursonas? This is very vital info/hj

[slate saffron]

Ý

[tranquil harbor]

Unfortunately, whoever is in charge of the TS hint list is a coward and leaves out the fursonas

[formal skiff]

coward

[slate saffron]

It makes it all the more easier to break them, then

[uncut pond]

The software Linux uses to run, GNU, has a wildebeest mascot

I now headcanon this as shaman's fursona

[frigid tinsel]

lorechat quiet cos the lads been poking at beta content

[rigid mural]

you know how it is

[uncut pond]

I'm dying why did I have to get spoilered by my YT recommendations

[frigid tinsel]

I know if I know more, I won't be able to shut up. so I decide to not know.
oh but it's been killing me

[tranquil harbor]

It's hard to avoid youtube spoilers. They like their spoiler-y thumbnails and titles

[keen shore]

Stretching Guru - crane [#general-sky-discussion message]

Scarecrow Farmer - red panda [#lore-discussion-spoilers message]

Prophet of Air - hyena [#general-sky-discussion message]

and greeting shaman - wildebeest [#lore-discussion-spoilers message]
[I would link the OG message, but the screenshot is just as good, and genchat is a lawless land that I do not want to touch unless I have to]

[frigid tinsel]

can't be spoilered by youtube recs if you delete Sky content from your history. taps forehead.
seriously tho, really crappy of them to put spoilers in the bloody thumbnails. there are people who don't want to see spoilers and it's kinda asinine to shove them in their faces.

[keen shore]

The fursona hints may be silly, but they bring me a lot of joy and I’m glad that that’s true for other people as well :}

[tranquil harbor]

Ooooh, I finally get the 'fascination with the cosmos' hint. The spirit is in vault (and a very star filled area at that). That explains why they're in vault too. They came to stargaze like it's a museum or something.

[plush mantle]

Ok, yes or no question here for what can be said about lore in here because im a curious skykid: are we allowed to talk about lore seen in Beta in this channel?

[tranquil harbor]

No

[plush mantle]

Thank youuu i just needed to know before I toss what i saw in a vid in here

[tranquil harbor]

It's against the rules to talk about anything in beta until it hits the live version

[plush mantle]

[hushed steeple]

real

[formal skiff]

Saaaaame
All I know are a few things about the mechanics of it but I’m painfully restraining myself from anything remotely storyline-related

[modest basalt]

Okay but-
I need to see this in the game XD

(redrew some nice meme, tell me if you want more like these)

[rugged jackal]

Henlo lorechat
I have a question; if you were to make a reason as to how the skykids learn how to play instruments the second they pick them up, what would it be?

[white junco]

instruments may have been used by the ancestors in part to connect with the Light. take the flute, for example, apparently its sound is is based on the Light Awaits bird call, and chimes are used to communicate with and guide creatures. and as we’re vessels of light, maybe its just something skykids are good at

[tranquil harbor]

My take: The spirit that gives you the instrument taught them.
Patch notes claim the skids took music lessons, while a daily poll claims it's possible to stargaze in prairie, leading me to believe we only see a small part of the skids' daily lives

[rugged jackal]

Can I just say, I love the patch notes

[queen pike]

i've missed these text walls :D

[sonic ocean]

leaving this here for lorechat: in harmony hall, one of the many things the performance guide + frantic stagehand do is go up to the mural on the second floor where the mellow musician is; while looking at it, i noticed them both use the shrug emote, as if they didn't know what it was/what it meant

[keen shore]

Vela mentioned a while ago that there looks like an empty spot in the middle on top of the pedestal - like somethings supposed to be there. I agree, it looks bare. I think they could also be shrugging in confusion as to why there’s nothing there

[frigid tinsel]

They may also not know what the mural is depicting

[keen shore]

That too. I have a general guess as to it depicting the elders falling from the sky, which if true would confuse me as to why they don’t know about it, but who knows honestly

[nimble ingot]

I love how those two would go around and get onto shenanigans.
Trying to get stagehand to dance in the studio, admiring the mural, trying the secret room, and even walking to the podium to join the jam session with the skykid.

I can see how the devs had fun plotting out what these two spirits would get up to.

[nimble ingot]

Thinking back to them laughing at the eden painting.
I personally think it Ash sardonic personality rubbing off on them.

[sonic ocean]

also they play instruments, yeah (electric guitar for guide, ocarina for stagehand)

[keen shore]

the way that stagehand interacts differently with the guides than everyone else makes me think they’re like a teachers assistant or something. maybe training to be a teacher (or that’s just how apprenticing to become a performer works??) I don’t know, I just get the vibe that they’re older than the other spirits minus the guide, and it’s a cute idea

[keen shore]

Performance guide seeing a dramatic painting, getting ideas to use it for character torturing purposes, and then laughing with glee is just what writers are like

[sonic ocean]

also does anyone have a clue of what the performance guide and stagehand are doing when they walk into the little hallway where some of the backgrounds are stored..? at first i thought it was some weird flirting thing but now i have no clue what i just watched

specifically when they walk onto the little platform at the end of the hallway

[tranquil harbor]

Stagehand's Mask is more detailed than the other 3 spirits in the troupe. It has actual eyebrows. It's possible they're not quite on Guide's level but are more advanced than the others

I think they're discussing show details.

[nimble ingot]

Here is a magic trick:

Ash 🕊 (Concept Artist)

[tranquil harbor]

What did you do?

[nimble ingot]

That is the thing about Magic tricks. I cannot tell you.

[tranquil harbor]

No seriously, what is that for? I know it's Ash's discord name in a box but like... why?

[outer hare]

magic trick 👀 ✨

[nimble ingot]

Shoot. It does not show on mobile (Just now realised).
I see the trick only works on PC

[tranquil harbor]

I am on PC

[nimble ingot]

??
I will get a screenshot to show what I got.

[rigid mural]

some people theorise that stagehand is like a neurodivergent kid that became the teacher's pet because they need more help & now they follow the guide like a duckling lmao

[tranquil harbor]

Ah, a kindred spirit

[rigid mural]

I like the theory they are older tho, explains why they stand out from the others, even without taking cosmetics in consideration.
Being a stagehand is actually a pretty dangerous job, you wouldn't want someoen too young to operate it, especially when alone !

In history, stagehands were often retired sailors since both jobs require you to know your way with ropes !

[formal skiff]

:0 TA Stagehand makes me so happy you have no idea I will be adopting this hc

[nimble ingot]

@tranquil harbor

[lyric isle]

SAILOR STAGEHAND????? 👀👀👀👀👀👀👀
ON BOARD WITH THIS IDEA

NAVIGATOR WAS A SAILOR. IMAGINE THEM IN THE SAME CREW

[nimble ingot]

I have no idea why it did not work for other devices though

[tranquil harbor]

It worked apparently I just didn't understand the point of it

[formal skiff]

Huh why is it teal?

[frigid tinsel]

Stagehand always came off to me as older than the rest of the cast, even Performance guide. Just cos they’re older doesn’t mean they can’t be a student.

[rigid mural]

al your mind

[lyric isle]

stagehands were often retired sailors
hello I will take this into my headcanon pile thank you

stagehand was a sailor

[tranquil harbor]

they say you're a student all your life

[frigid tinsel]

Would be like they changed their career path or took up theater after (early) retirement.

[lyric isle]

same crew as navigator too

[rigid mural]

I headcanon the harmony hall and theater are at least partially inherited from a parent or mentor, so maybe stagehand knew performance guide's parent/mentor

[frigid tinsel]

Could even be a family friend or a godchild or distantly related

[rigid mural]

YEAH
this is so cute,,,

[frigid tinsel]

Aren’t people who ride race horses small? What if Stagehand used to ride racing mantas?

[rugged jackal]

They RACED MANTAS?

[lyric isle]

SAILOR AND MANTA RACER

[frigid tinsel]

There’s a spirit memory in the citadel that depicts an ancestor riding a manta. Ancestors couldn’t fly. What else would the flying race be for?

[keen shore]

YEAJ GOOD POINT! It could even be that they had to train for longer for their job compared to the other students hence why they’re older. I just mentioned it as a side thing I noticed just watching them mess around. They also seem to feel more responsible for everyone’s minor failures and mistakes, which would help support my idea, but that might be a general anxiety thing

[harsh sparrow]

I can't remember if I have shared this yet but I have some headcannons about Skykid biology

Skykids echolocate
-they can use deep calls to briefly see surroundings and creatures in dark places (example: trial of fire)
-they can sense others when they call or the others call, as well as where they are and who is calling (example: seeing friend's names on screen when you call or your friend calls)
-they can distinguish between individuals based on honks (example: see above. Unlit strangers have a quiet hollow-sounding call, while friends and lit strangers have their chosen voice

I also like to think that they used to live in very dark places, and therefore have dark skin to blend in to their surroundings, and very light sensitive eyes for seeing in the dark and they have to wear masks to protect them (and they close their eyes when they are maskless) because the surface is too bright for them

[sharp lichen]

All of this is good, besides one thing: Where did Skykids used to live? I’d imagine they’re newborn.

[frigid tinsel]

Fun fact: creatures that live in dark places that seldom see light are actually lighter colored, sometimes white, because they don’t produce melanin in response to sunlight. Melanin is the pigment behind skin, hair, and eye color

[harsh sparrow]

I agree, its still got holes in it lol, this is mostly just my imagination getting away from me

[frigid tinsel]

Otherwise yea it’s probable skykids have some form of echolocation. This may in part be due to how light in game connects different beings with each other — honks and some light creature calls send out a burst of light. It supplements their other senses

[harsh sparrow]

Yes exactly!

[wicked plank]

Skykids are shiny geese people. Prove me wrong

[harsh sparrow]

I always liked to think they were reincarnated souls of something else, moving on as a new entity to make new memories

[frigid tinsel]

Skykids are too nice to be geese. Chibis, though...

[wicked plank]

Wings

[harsh sparrow]

Someone find out if skykids have serrated teeth, we need answers

[wicked plank]

i have havhav been proven wron

[frigid tinsel]

There is a faction here who believe skykids don’t have mouths

[covert carbon]

Hold on I need to look up what serrated means

Edit: OH??????

[wicked plank]

what

[harsh sparrow]

What

[wicked plank]

then whete do they hinkhonkhinkhonk from

[tranquil harbor]

eyeballs

[white junco]

waves awkwardly

[wicked plank]

[unreal shuttle]

Explain yourself

[lyric isle]

I am one of these people
I also don't like the idea of them breathing ghfrufher
they technically do by definition regarding my headcanon but uh. I don't wanna think of them as having Organs

[wicked plank]

they honhonkhonhonk, therefor they have mouf

They drink tea
MiufMouf

[white junco]

honk comes from their core, not mouth. very simple

[frigid tinsel]

Skykids seem very much not biological beings. However this doesn’t preclude from having a mouth. Others, however, think it does

[sharp lichen]

Sound isn’t exclusive to their mouth. Skykids either honk through their eyes or their chest

[covert carbon]

They seem mostly fine being underwater? So maybe like some kind of weird land fish??

[harsh sparrow]

There are emotes depicting blowing bubbles, yawning, chuckling and covering where a mouth would be, and these gestures would have had to been made by or learned from a creature with a mouth.

[wicked plank]

who honks from their eyes?

[unreal shuttle]

Not that fine cuz they die if they stay too long under water and rain drain them

[lyric isle]

imitation I guess
that's how I justify audible breathing. it's imitating ancestors I guess

maybe I'm in deep denial

[sharp lichen]

Yawning and chuckling could still be eyes. It’s likely their eyes/masks are all-encompassing organs that allow us to see and make noises.

[harsh sparrow]

They do canonically have a heartbeat too tho 👆

[tranquil harbor]

The whole eyeball mouth thing is just too weird for me to hop on board

[harsh sparrow]

I'm too much of a biology nerd to agree but to each their own

[sharp lichen]

The “covering their face” is likely due to Chuckling Scout’s penguin mask. Other creatures besides spirits most likely had mouths

[lyric isle]

was kinda freaked out early Abyss because the idea of them breathing is too alive and breaks immersion for me but that's just a personal thing

[wicked plank]

whywhy do you prefer eyeball-mouths to just mouths

[sharp lichen]

Not Skykid breathing discussion- I think the consensus of that was that it was a natural reaction, like transpiration?

[frigid tinsel]

Maskless skids don’t appear to have mouths. It could be a rendering thing since most of the time they are wearing masks but they could, in universe, have mouths. Also they produce air bubbles from their mouths and eat mochi/drink from the DOB tea table by bringing it up to their mouths.

[unreal shuttle]

Fun fact ||after rebirth in the way to orbit, before you see the spirits and when you see all of your friend shiny|| if you honk your sky kid will honk the notes of the song it is playing

[tranquil harbor]

Tho one of the devs likes to think they're just splashing tea on themselves instead of drinking it cuz it's funny.

[pastel brook]

HONK

[frigid tinsel]

Yes but being nonbiological doesn’t mean they can’t have a heartbeat or something that sounds like one. Remember there’s magic involved

[lyric isle]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh headcanon is uh
they absorb the water through pores in their clay and it slowly puts their flame out
essentially suffocation?

[sharp lichen]

Now that I think of it, it’s likely the top diamond is their “mouth”, since the honks originate from it

[wicked plank]

spofnge moths

[lyric isle]

spongemoth squarepants

[wicked plank]

That light is absent in almost every mask, including no mask tho

[tranquil harbor]

I wonder why they sing like that. They don't seem to sing along to any music besides this specific one.

[covert carbon]

Awwww they’re singing!!!!!

[unreal shuttle]

So they makes sound by that diamond? So it’s also they heart? Or they heart is the one in they chest?

[sharp lichen]

No mask could simply be the mask turning invisible. Also, many masks (including the Elder ones) have that diamond in them.

It’s mainly seasonal spirits that have masks without the top diamond.

OR… IT COULD PROVE EYEBALL-MOUTH THEORY FURTHER

[frigid tinsel]

They also sing along during ascension

[unreal shuttle]

Yeah that’s what I mean

[wicked plank]

SoSo are the seasonal spirits different somehow? From a lore standpoint that is

[keen shore]

OHHH SO FHATS WHY YOU TWO WERE HONKING THE WHOLE TIME

[unreal shuttle]

I have carb call so for me it sound like waaaah waaah waaah waaah weeeeh weeeh

[wicked plank]

whywhy wwhywhyOwwhywhyO do you want eyeball-mouth so bad???

[tranquil harbor]

It depends on the seasonal spirits tbh. Dreams probably aren't, because they're just spirits living in Valley, but Abyss might not be from the sky kingdom

[lyric isle]

crab call is a semitone flat and that bugs me so badly
it's so cringeworthy and funny at the same time

[sharp lichen]

ITS THE ONLY TJING THAT MAKES SENSE.
MAKE A SUSPENSION OF DISBELIEF

[keen shore]

crab call is my favorite honk :<

[tranquil harbor]

Suspension of disbelief says that they have mouths and they just aren't rendered dude Like the mitten hands

[formal skiff]

a) it's funny
b) i like twisting the usual order of things and since they're not biological i mean- why not lol

[lyric isle]

reminded of this comic of mine of skykids with mouths and poor sleepy traveller/ex-questgiver being thoroughly freaked out (only mentioning them because they Do show up in this comic)

[wicked plank]

WWhatWhathatatWatWatWathat if ififtheyre Just magic?

[unreal shuttle]

Same it’s a high tone like they breathe some helium

[harsh sparrow]

Aight I'm out

[sharp lichen]

Impossible! This is a house of pure science and logic (finally using my /j for the day)

[wicked plank]

sorry my chat is buggy O_o

[frigid tinsel]

Their honks do originate from the glowing diamond on their foreheads. It may not be a mouth but it may be capable of of sending out light-bursting deep calls

[lyric isle]

I hate the idea of skykids with visible mouths I am very glad this is purely imaginary

[wicked plank]

theythey drink tho. From their mouth area. Spongemoth?

[formal skiff]

s p l o s h

[lyric isle]

Squarepants

[frigid tinsel]

Fun fact: in Abyss beta, the air bubbles would come out the hole in their chest, but it freaked out beta testers so they moved it to the mouth region

[stable widget]

the plot thickens

[formal skiff]

noooo leave it as the chest hole- it makes sense

[lyric isle]

...............pores in the clay are bigger where the mouth would be????????
you can smell the denial

[wicked plank]

are we gonna talk about how honking refills other's light?

[frigid tinsel]

It wouldn’t be functionally concrete for your light-ferrying vessels to have a bunch of pores in them, just a few for their flame, eyes, maybe mouth

[lyric isle]

IDK WHAT MAKES SENSE ANYMORE

[wicked plank]

light honks???

[formal skiff]

i'm going to go with "canonically they bubble from their chests but beta testers are cowards and so is tgc"

[sharp lichen]

THEY GAIN NO NUTRIENTS FROM IT THOUGH

THEY DRINK IT FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES

[frigid tinsel]

They still drink, dude

[lyric isle]

but how

[harsh sparrow]

I'm cryinh

[wicked plank]

LINKLIKE AN SKELETON?

[keen shore]

The way that skykid breathing and drinking is animated confuses me to no end because. Even if they DO have mouths, how are they drinking through their masks???

[sharp lichen]

WELCOME TO SKID BIOLOGY. NOTHING MAKES SENSE UNTIL YOU SUSPEND YOUR DISBELIEF FOR EVERYTHING

[lyric isle]

we're all collectively losing our minds I lovehate this so much

[stable widget]

IKD WHY BUT ALL OF THIS TALK ABOUT A SKY KID’S BIOLOGY REMIND ME OF THE GEMS FROM STEVEN UNIVERSE

THINK ABOUT IT
Creatures using light as their main source of power and can’t ||die normally||, also comes from space

[wicked plank]

DO THEY ABSORB THE TEA OR DOES IT JUST SPLASH THEM

[formal skiff]

drinks: splash on mask and giggle
food: insert through eye holes and combust, enjoy smell

[sharp lichen]

EITHER ABSORB, SPLASH, OR THROW AWAY. IM GOING WITH SPLASH

[white junco]

man I leave for a couple minutes and y'all make this complicated

[lyric isle]

well tbh I rarely actually 'drink' the tea. I'm doing funny tricks with the platter

[frigid tinsel]

If skykids have light manipulation for changing the appearance of their cosmetics, perhaps they can control the tangibility of their masks so stuff passes through to eat/drink

[wicked plank]

New quesquestioquesquestion? What exactly are the shiny bois we collect?

[formal skiff]

periodically, lorechat descends into desperately arguing over mouths and eyes in utter bafflement

[frigid tinsel]

Oh don’t get me started

[lyric isle]

I thought my ways of justifying breathing made sense

[wicked plank]

start. Nowo.w

[white junco]

skykids are silly little hollow creachures and sometimes they do silly things. I don't know how they do it but they do

[keen shore]

I don’t usually bother with minor skukid anatomy debates like eating because all the in game evidence is confusing at best. Like for everything but the dob table, skykids set food on fire to absorb it, but then they can drink now and do so normally?? They eat the light buns on the dob table with ease but they have to burn granny’s food to consume it? What am I supposed to believe here I give up

[stable widget]

WIAT TO ADD ON TO MY PREVIOUS POINT, BOTH GEMS AND SKYKIDS DONT NEED TO EAT, SLEEP OR DRINK AND ALL COME IN DEFAULT FORMS

[frigid tinsel]

Steven Universe fan spotted.
I’m one too, I base a lot of my skykid bio theories off the Gems.

[stable widget]

i have a point though

[white junco]

in all honesty I like mouthless skids because mouthless characters are gender, I love only showing facial expressions through the eyes

[lyric isle]

as someone experiencing grief, it's not in stages but rather a circle in my experience

so time to loop around the grief circle over skykid breathing again

[formal skiff]

a) blame it on gameplay and irrelevance
b) cry
c) develop a complex and overly specific theory

[wicked plank]

whatwhat twtwE are the children of light, and why are they person shaped? Are we kidnapping them to our benefit???

[lyric isle]

I used to hate the blinking; was legit scared at first

but now I love it

[frigid tinsel]

Their masks block their facial expressions. Whether they have mouths or not is irrelavant when it comes to emoting.

[formal skiff]

it also forces me to be expressive with body language when drawing them which i really like. body language is easier than facial expressions for me, and this only helps by giving me lots of practice because it's all i have to convey emotion.

[keen shore]

Okay hear me out. Skykids do have mouths, but they’re on their hands. This is why they reach out to grab food and accidentally burn it with their candle, and also pick up their food without using utensils. In this essay I will

||please don’t take this seriously it’s just the worst reasonable one I could come up with||

[stable widget]

Plus you can get a lot of emotion from eyes alone, and having mouths in a game where you can only talk once you befriend someone enough doesn’t makes sense from a gameplay standpoint!

[lyric isle]

the facial expressions are from the masks????

@keen shore el hombre palido but mouths rather than eyes
studying pan's labyrinth as part of spanish course and I am Thinking about it a lot

[keen shore]

I also really like the idea of skykids [and I guess ancestors too??] focusing more on body lmaguage than facial expressions to express themselves bc of masks. It’s a neat little detail and it makes them feel more real

[frigid tinsel]

Granted a lot of that emotion in the eyes comes pupils and such, which skykids don’t have

[white junco]

that is very true, I was veering off into my non-sky character design tastes (mouthless)

[full quiver]

I mean they're made of light right? could they heat up their hand and consume it that way ?

[wicked plank]

p l l a sese please

[stable widget]

Microwave hands

[covert carbon]

I’ll do another: how do they play flutes and horns through the mask? /j

[lyric isle]

I JUST DOn' T THINK ABOUT IT I T BREAKS MY BRAIN TO THINK

[wicked plank]

incinerator bois

[covert carbon]

mmmmmMMMMMMMMMBEEPMMMBEEPMMM

[stable widget]

THE HONKING IS THE BEEPING

[frigid tinsel]

Salem thinks you could cook stew and soups inside a skykid

[wicked plank]

explain the shiny light bois please

[full quiver]

speaking of i have thought of their heads being some kind of lamp? like there is a fire in their head that makes their "eyes" glow, which are just holes.

[stable widget]

Do you think hugging a skykid gives you a warm hug 🥺?

[wicked plank]

did you youuysyouuys guys notice that a skids eyelids are part of the mask

[covert carbon]

Also what qualifies as a honk?

[stable widget]

hmmm that’s a good question

[frigid tinsel]

These are honks (ft. moth me)

[covert carbon]

Like is it the pitch? Wh at is the limit of what could count to be a honk noise

[white junco]

they’re not, actually

[frigid tinsel]

Honking is just whatever noises or calls a skykid makes when you click on them

[stable widget]

Do you think skykids commicate like some birds where certain emphasis, speed, amount of honks etc mean different things?!

[full quiver]

since the honk comes out of the head, could it be telepathy? I mean there is that one emote-

[covert carbon]

I didn’t mean it like that! Like I i mean what does tgc use for the sound of the honk?

[keen shore]

Oh yeah, probably. I would assume their calls would also get a lot more complex during communication, like honking three times in a row and then making a different noise, etc.

[stable widget]

Always wondered how does tgc comes up with the sounds

[rigid mural]

we do have rapid panicked honks & slower honks for attentions, if you wanna break the 4th wall (kinda)

[lyric isle]

I think they are - how so?

[frigid tinsel]

We also make sounds out of our heads, are we doing telepathy? No. Telepathy is mental, non-spoken communication between minds. Skykids make noises to communicate.

They might be able to telepathically communicate with some light creatures but that’s a story for another time

[keen shore]

There are some bird calls that I could definitely see skykids making. [Honestly, most of them are within reason - I could see one cawing like a crow - but we don’t have honk sounds similar to that]

[lyric isle]

yeah I think the same

[stable widget]

I mean I use that in game sometimes. Rapid honks before a bow or other emote is usually a greeting and smaller honks for for attention

[covert carbon]

CROW CALL NOW!!!

[wicked plank]

skids are shiny bird people who like to honk

[pure crescent]

The deepest honk you get is the jellyfish ,, if you dont hold it for long it gives a deeper tone

[rigid mural]

I like to think that more experienced sky kids are better at mimicry because they've been here longer, so their calls are closer to what the actual creature they mimic sounds like !

[keen shore]

I could also see skykids cooing like mourning doves, doing really rapid-fire honks like northern cardinals, etc. I think with the sounds we have in game, you can also imitate a Carolina wren call pretty well with the warbling calls (esp crab and jellyfish)

[frigid tinsel]

Oh hea you can drop the pitch(or raise them for some calls) of your by holding down and releasing before deep calls

[covert carbon]

I rapid honk to display that I’m happy to see them!!! Which is like all the time

[stable widget]

Not to mention the way you do honks with emotes are very important to show tone

[covert carbon]

Wish honks didn’t animation-cancel the emote

[stable widget]

Personally i wanna give props to TGC for coming up with a really cool non verbal communication system

[keen shore]

I also headcanon that skykids are really good at mimicry in general, which would also apply to spirit voices. So whenever they talk, sometimes different words are imitated from different spirits, so their sentences and phrases can be a mashup of different accents, dialects and pitch all in one.

Just because I think it would be neat more than anything

[frigid tinsel]

The sounds expressions make tune with the scale of the environment like instruments do. I remember reading that during an interview with TGC’s 2 sound designers

[lyric isle]

Cannoneer’s mask is an exception to me a

[stable widget]

I also think this applies to emotes the skykids learn.

[white junco]

it happens with the other flat masks, it's just easier to see with cannoneer

[wicked plank]

for goodness sake someone please explain what Children of the Light are

[frigid tinsel]

I’ll be honest with you — nobody has a clue what winged light are so there’s a billion differing theories as to what they are

[stable widget]

its the friends we made along the way

[covert carbon]

I like to think they’re made out of clay or stone:)

[full quiver]

my best guess it like- 1) bits of personality (unlikely) and 2) emotions?? idk

[lyric isle]

yes but

eyelids are the only thing that makes sense to me. Cannoneer has mask eyes made from light orbs As Exception

denial unravelling much

[wicked plank]

[covert carbon]

Now I’m curious what would the next honk will be

[keen shore]

My bet’s on krill call

[lyric isle]

me want butterfly call 👀

spirit call too?

[stable widget]

Skykids are skykids. Now onto a more interesting question.

would the spirits and elders original form be also organic or non organic like skykid

[frigid tinsel]

Winged light has been referred to by the devs as “imprints of the children of the light” so they’re something that exists as a direct correlation to skykids

[spark cairn]

Fish call. I don't think we have a fish call.

[white junco]

sorry mate

[stable widget]

We do though :0

[spark cairn]

Could you show me?

[frigid tinsel]

Whale call

[white junco]

we have the whale call, not the fish call. But there is a fish call in the game! laidback pioneer used it during the days of bloom event

[stable widget]

Ohhh

[full quiver]

this just gave me the hc that like- all the spirits are from different time periods and speak different languages and the sky kid can learn/mimic other languages to talk? Like the normal call is it's own language, the jelly call is it's own language and the rest are their own too ! ! idk i just think it'd be neat

[lyric isle]

like. I know it’s not eyelids but I pretend I do not see aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

headcanons moment

[stable widget]

i didn’t know that was for a whale.,

[wicked plank]

bruh moment

[spark cairn]

Either a fish call or a king jellyfish call

[white junco]

pioneer fish moment

[full quiver]

speaking of calls, i'd like to think if a butterfly call was a thing, it'd be the tiny laughs/giggles they make

[wicked plank]

why can't we melt darkness creatures, like the crebbos. Or maybe purify them?

[white junco]

corrupted

[wicked plank]

but candle

[full quiver]

it would be really morbid 🧍

[frigid tinsel]

dark creatures are corrupted – their very composition has been altered to function with darkness. either there is too much darkness to melt or "melting" a dark creature would kill them

[wicked plank]

i want wantwantto burn crabs tho

[spark cairn]

I mean. U can burn crabs

[frigid tinsel]

you actually can burn crabs. hold one over a flame and they'll turn orange. only ticks them off tho

[tranquil harbor]

dinner

[frigid tinsel]

there are that pair of passive crabs in the outer islands in Sanctuary. otherwise hostile crabs are only found in places absent of direct sunlight. it may be possible to "purify" a crab by long exposures to sunlight but that remains dubious and unverifiable

[wicked plank]

[covert carbon]

!FIBSH

[wicked plank]

why cant we Send wewethe big light fish bois to go butnburn the krill

[white junco]

maybe crabs were originally neutral creatures, neither light or dark, but are instead very prone to darkness corruption. so the only crabs that have been protected from darkness are on that one sanctuary island and in the office

[wicked plank]

Also why do Krill kinda look like the skeletons of the Whales?

[spark cairn]

I don't understand the question..

[white junco]

we know what a whale skeleton looks like. distinctly not krill-shaped

[wicked plank]

Why can't we send the WhakesWhaleWhakesWhales to scare away the Krill? Or smth

[white junco]

wl under the treehouse looks to be standing on the water, important detail or sky breaking as usual?

[frigid tinsel]

The krill would kill the whales

[wicked plank]

oof

If clouds restore our light (for some reason), tothen why doesn't blue water, as clouds are just water vapor?

[rigid mural]

me looking at genchat sometimes

[wicked plank]

Also the geysers???

[white junco]

geysers are a heat source, the two things that restore light are heat and light

[covert carbon]

(What’s a genchat I don’t have any results online)

[keen shore]

it’s #general-sky-discussion

[wicked plank]

cloicloudscloicloudsds ds dsdsdont provide heat or light tho

[formal skiff]

Wow, imagine looking at gen chat *shudders *
It’s a dangerous land, gen chat……

[wicked plank]

vhaos

[white junco]

yeah, i’ve been wondering if sky’s clouds work a bit differently than normal clouds. mainly that they may contain some amount of cyan light

[wicked plank]

Oh yeayeah eethe colored lights In that case shouldn't flower s and plain sunlight do the same?

[rigid mural]

ok so fun fact, as a looking out the plane window enjoyer, clouds seen in an angle where the sunlight bounces off them genuinely can hurt your eyes on the long term if you stare too long

this might mostly be a game mechanic but at least you got this reason, white colors dont absorb sunlight that well, so a lot of it goes in your eyes

[white junco]

bc green light causes plants to grow, its not in the plants themselves. and i’d think the sun is a bit too far away to recharge us

[covert carbon]

M akes me think Maybe the skids wears mask because the Sun hurts the eyes?

[safe sphinx]

what the heck is that huge diamond in every realm on top of the mountain? is that the power diamond?

[white junco]

I HAVE A SIMILAR HEADCANON! I think skykids have sensitive eyes and need to protect them from various things, sunlight on the clouds would be a very good explanation. this is also why i gave one of my skykid ocs yellow-tinted glasses, gamer glasses

[rigid mural]

i got a nice pair of aviator glasses, maybe masks do that too !

[tough coral]

bzzzbzb hey am i interrupting anything? i just drew up a neat lil guide to what i headcanon skykids to look like/my skykid headcanons in general but i dont wanna shove in if ur busy. if this is a bad time just let me know

[uncut pond]

Send it

[covert carbon]

Hi Sniv!!!

[tough coral]

i hope it didn't lose any layers in the save, that happens sometimes- Sorry if the text is hard to read, autodesk's textboxes arent particularly high tech

[frigid tinsel]

fluffy skid

[tough coral]

YES! i firmly stand by the idea that skykids are fluffy and kinda weird looking (if you compare them to, like, an actual human child)

[raw crypt]

i love the sky fanart approaches between “this is a creature” and “this is just a guy with a cape” i tend to lean into the latter category but i greatly appreciate the former

[full quiver]

get a creature in a cape and boom ! ! best of both worlds /j

[white junco]

losing my mind, my guy is like that

[raw crypt]

OHHH A FRIEND

[frigid tinsel]

that bird do be buff tho

[tough coral]

<-- has many a fun neat skykid headcanon and is willing to share so much of it :D

[full quiver]

oh i would like to hear ! ! :D

[stable widget]

SUNGLASSES

[formal skiff]

WAIT LOL WRONG SPIRIT nvm I drew the right one after all

[white junco]

CHORD MY GAMER SON

[native shoal]

Vela you draw so fast the heck, also that is AMAZING bird!

[frigid tinsel]

why does this remind me of Arnold from The Magic School Bus

[rigid mural]

chord is like hey arthur

[tough coral]

hmmmm whats a good start- OH I KNOW (mightve said this before but that's ages ago if so)
so yknow how when you die in eden you turn to stone? I think that happens to a lesser degree whenever skykids lose light or get hurt or something- little patches of stone just sorta crop up, usually around the limbs and neck, sorta like bruises. This isnt a particularly bad thing, it's loose and crumbly and you can just sorta pick it off- skykids sometimes "preen" eachother by just sitting together and picking stone off eachother after a long day of Being Dumb Kids And Getting Mildly Hurt By Doing Kid Stuff

[stable widget]

Please let this be a normal candle run!-

with the Moff, no way!

[formal skiff]

wheezing

[frigid tinsel]

someone else see it sfljsdfhsdh

[tough coral]

another headcanon i have is that even without flight, skykids are very good climbers and just generally very agile. it's practically impossible to stop a skykid from doing something they wanna do if they set their mind to it!

[frigid tinsel]

just like actual children. except they're op

[safe sphinx]

is the power diamond in every realm on that mountain the same one in stormlock?

[white junco]

the what now

[safe sphinx]

the huge diamond on top of the mountain

[spark cairn]

Are you talking about Eden? It's visible in every realm

[white junco]

OHH i don’t think you can see the diamond from the realms but that’s eden yeah

[safe sphinx]

that giant mountain is eden? so it's just a gigantic mountain?

i got another question but i need pics first

[visual knoll]

HI
Do the Elders have names? Like
Not "Isle Elder" but a name?

[safe sphinx]

yes but we will never know :/

[safe sphinx]

they don't canonically have names, but i remember ash saying if they did they would be unpronounceable unless you said em with a very thick accent

[spark cairn]

There's the no longer canon names (I think) and a canon set of 'names' (not traditional names)

[visual knoll]

Well, what are their generally excepted fanon names? =='

[full quiver]

i've heard people use daleth for the isle elder

[spark cairn]

That was talking about traveling spirits

[frigid tinsel]

The Elders have names based off Hebrew letters from concept development that are no longer canon, though the fandom sometimes refers to them as such:

Isle – Daleth (ד) 

Prairie – Ayin (ע)

Forest – Teth (ט) 

Valley – Samekh (ס) (they share a name, though the fandom refers to as Sah and as Mekh) 

Wasteland – Tsadi (צ) 

Vault – Lamed (ל)

Though it seems the devs refer to the Elders by the times of day their realms represent: 

Isle – Dawn

Prairie – Day or Daylight 

Forest – Rain 

Valley – Sunset

Wasteland – Dusk

Vault – Night

[visual knoll]

Thank you!

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[frigid tinsel]

obligatory

[keen shore]

THIS MAKES ME SO HAPPY

[keen shore]

I’m crying this is extremely accurate and also feels like a callout for me

[formal skiff]

If you haven’t crawled on your hands and knees pretending to be a dragon, cat, or other creature… I mourn the loss of that glorious experience

[white junco]

does it count if you’re running up the stairs on all fours

[keen shore]

I like to hide in the bushes and watch birds with my cat :-)

[keen shore]

you turning around to stare at them afterwards is killing me
”what the hell did you just say laidback pioneer”

[tranquil harbor]

Beta spoilers are not allowed in lorechat until the season is live

[gusty moss]

Oop-ignore that then you saw nothing

[wicked plank]

[formal skiff]

Beautiful

[wicked plank]

Skids waking up and immediately going to save gods

[formal skiff]

We’re just that cool

[wicked plank]

[sharp lichen]

Ah yes, another victory for big sunglasses corporations

[sharp lichen]

If you don’t know what I’m talking about then you’ve been spared from the worst discussions regarding Sanctuary

[white junco]

those are Chord's blue light gamer glasses

[keen shore]

okay quick question because I watched an owl video and now I am Questioning things. do you guys think the performance spirits are based off penguins or owls… because honestly I can see both

[sharp lichen]

Partner to Sunbather’s corporate sponsored fruity controversial sunglasses

[rigid mural]

Maybe penguins while apprentices,but stagehands mask might be a sign they would hsve become an owl-masked spirit ?

[dusty leaf]

I always sing along in the orbit, its so cute! ❤️❤️😭

[hushed steeple]

Correct me if im wrong, but i think the song ||when you fly to orbit|| and the soundtrack of isle of dawn are the only soundtracks with the voice that sings the lull. I think thats a really nice parallel if so.

[heady sequoia]

YIPEE

[sharp lichen]

“I’m the avatar and you gotta deal with it!” energy

[rugged saffron]

Imagine a staff that summons a few birds that can regenerate the cape a bit like at least 1 bar and then a cooldown like 5 seconds

[fickle tundra]

hey lore chat

i have good news for yall but i cant tell them until a few months

you’ll love it

[weak osprey]

Hello lore chat. I have a question regarding the sky kids.

What kind of instruments do the voices/honks sound like?
I wanna know how to describe the different pitches and stuff.

Thank u

[sharp lichen]

I’ve thought it was a unique sound that isn’t defined by any one instrument

[white junco]

i’m not sure if any of them match instruments, but the honks have different pitches depending on the realm you’re in, to match the realm key. also i think the flute is meant to mimic the Light Awaits bird call

[rigid mural]

Light Awaits has flute-like sounds for honks, that's actually why Lightseeker instruments are flutes ! The devs saw people miss these old honks, so they sent spirits with the means to mimic them.

[weak osprey]

I just want to know how I should describe them in writing. Like which honks are wavy or high pitched. I need help while I write

[rigid mural]

I'm not sure what you exactly want, descriptions for calls ?

Bird and baby manta call should be easy, most adjectives used to describe bird sounds irl (chirping, trill, peep, eccetera) would fit them.
Crab call could be described like a squeak or an ear-splitting screech, depending on volume.
Manta and ghost manta call could be described as mellow ? They're both a pleasant "Waah", one is just more lively than the other.
Jelly call sounds like buzzing.

Anyway, I thought about bells; We see in the prairie village, sanctuary islands and wind paths that they draw in light creatures, so I headcanon skilled skykids could figure out a way to use the gratitude ones (and possibly the sanctuary ult) to summon small ones !

[weak osprey]

Ohhhhh. Yes. This helps plenty. Thank u!

[solemn breach]

I’ve heard mentions of a ‘King’, who is this? Are they speculation? Or a character? Could someone explain?

[spark cairn]

I wonder if the chimes are the only thing that attract light creatures

[frigid tinsel]

the Eden king aka Eden Elder aka the king is a figure that's simultaneously is and isn't present in the Sky world. they were present in concept development as a big bad boss figure we'd fight but ultimately save in Eden, having been corrupted, but that's no longer the case. devs have said that they're still in the game just not in a way you'd expect, so speculation on them is vague.

supposedly they oversaw Eden as their realm. some think they were behind the Eden calamity that ruined everything. some think they were the same as the prince or Chosen One depicted in the Cave of Prophecy murals. Chosen One, after completing the 4 Trials, could've been crowned prince and ascended into being king (hence pre-skykid civilization being referred to as "the Sky kingdom"). they might've had attained powers from completing all four trials that could've factored into the Eden calamity. they might've oversaw or greenlit power diamond production, the manufacturing of with increased darkness into the world and left it as it is today (see: Wasteland).

it's easy to cast them as the villain, however, cos they aren't here to defend themself. we don’t know who they were as a person or how to characterise them. they could have tried to reverse the effects of darkness corruption but failed. the corrupted diamond in Eden could've been their gift to the kingdom, not a manifestation of their greed or a "kill-all" switch.

[wicked jacinth]

ah ty for this I was wondering about it as well

[solemn breach]

Do we have any concept art of them?

[rigid mural]

these too !

[frigid tinsel]

Here is Kamilico’s compilation of king/prince/Chosen One/Eden Elder images but a some of these are speculated to symbolize them or have a second meaning, such as the call or the Light symbol may represent the king too as well as the Season of Prophecy emblem

[hushed steeple]

So hi. Is it canon that the realms are all in different timelines? And if so, how do skids move from each one? Can they manipulate time? Or do they have something in possesion that allows them to travel between time periods?

[white junco]

if this is related to the tiktok comment, a dev has confirmed that they meant to say time periods. we don’t know if the realms themselves are in different time periods or if it’s just eden

[gritty citrus]

Idk if lore is the right place. But uh.
Is that child sanctuary guide. Or qg. Maybe any theory?

[sharp lichen]

It looks like a Valley commoner!

[gritty citrus]

....
Okay.
Naw :(

[sharp lichen]

What’s wrong?

[hushed steeple]

what’re the names of the Elders?

[tranquil harbor]

They do not have canon names, but the Devs use time of day of their realm (Forest is 'Rain') while they have old (now noncanon) concept names fans like to use.

#lore-discussion-spoilers message
Here: Alasdair sums it up better than I do. I think he has a copy paste thing somewhere

[hushed steeple]

[lyric isle]

i think that’s ex-off-season but sanctuary could make sense too 👀

I always hear that one scene from The Lion King

[lyric isle]

why the headpat

idk I just find the image very cute of the two being both very well-travelled and enthusiastically discussing places they’ve been whenever Ex-QG comes back on the boat

idk I really like spirit families

[white junco]

I think those options are possible but it’s more likely to be some random child. It’s like the prophets’ students: spirits with the same or similar appearance are not always the same person. really depends on the circumstance tho

i know that argument gets used a lot to argue that the days of rainbow guide isn’t rallying thrillseeker (which is absolute nonsense) but it does come into play with other spirits

same reason I don’t believe that the kid in pointing candlemaker’s memory is the dreams skater just because they both have a ponytail, or that the figure in blushing prospector’s memory is 100% laidback pioneer. there’s not really a way to know

[lyric isle]

my opinions on debated things:

• sightseer’s kid is ex-off-season qg/sleepy traveller (and those are the same person)
• rally is rainbow qg. I mean. come on.
• the prophecy students are separate people to those with the same hairstyles as them. hairstyles aren’t exclusive to one person ever

(it’s ok if you think differently of course, why wouldn’t it be)

[rain pond]

I'm still curious as to what people think that the Treasure Reef complex used to be

[lyric isle]

rocktahedron power diamond mine and factory, as well as fishing spot

maybe not factory

[formal skiff]

ROCKTAHEDRON

[frigid tinsel]

Why are people

[keen shore]

Cowardice is the answer

[white junco]

homophobia

[sharp lichen]

It’s those 2 or the funnier option, Sanctuary hate

[white junco]

no it’s homophobia

[frigid tinsel]

homophobia? in my Sky community? it's more likely than you think

[high cedar]

confusion

[sharp lichen]

There is rampant homophobia among the Sky community

[high cedar]

But-
why, this is supposed to be a wholesome place :"<

[sharp lichen]

Key word: supposed. If you go down the iceberg, you see how false your statement is

[visual knoll]

I keep forgetting that half the spirits have these creepy beady diamond eyes and I maniacally laugh everytime I get an accidental close up of their faces.

He wants to talk to me about our lord and savior Megabird

[formal skiff]

Wait what would people gain by arguing that, genuinely?
Like, if Rally isn’t the gay mascot, someone else is. Why do they care?

[tranquil harbor]

By all accounts their logic doesn't make sense

[formal skiff]

I agree, but like- this is especially petty

[tranquil harbor]

Like I said, their logic doesn't make sense. To them it's a hill worth dying on. It's just weird.

[formal skiff]

Well, sucks to be them, ig. They’re missing out

[sharp lichen]

I knew it. Fruitseeker deniers are related to sunglasses deniers!

[uncut pond]

fruitseeker
That's what I'm gonna call them from now on

[wicked plank]

Thesis: skidskids have mouthsmouths ProofProof:

prproof:

man my xhat is not agreeing with chatchatme

[keen shore]

Do you mind talking normally?? It’s really hard to read/decipher your messages. Thank you 💛

[wicked plank]

w h y its not voluntary

[keen shore]

Oh, it’s because of chat?? I thought you were doing it on purpose 😔 sorry

[wicked plank]

it happens whenevewhenever i backspace or type too fast 😅

I rarely get a proper message out lol

[frigid tinsel]

try restarting your Discord, happens to me when Discord starts lagging but I edit it out

[wicked plank]

Im using usingusingthe desktop site on mobile. Its all I can use lol

[native shoal]

Man I just got a notification saying that a light seeker spirit had come back for a short time (opened sky the second I saw lightseeker) and nope, just gratitude dude

[wicked plank]

Point being, these emojis solve the skid moithmouth conundrum:

if disdiscorddisdiscord emojis aren't caninCanoncaninCanon, I dont know what is

[keen shore]

yeah unfortunately :( it’s super exhausting. I rarely venture out of this chat and/or the people I’ve met in it, and sometimes not even that is “safe”… it can really suck sometimes being queer. Just all the crap you have to deal with on a regular basis.

It’s really nice having this little corner where I can typically be myself without worry, though 💛

[wicked plank]

ye :) but this is lore not gen

[frigid tinsel]

occasionally a queerphobe pops in here. we wreck them though

[wicked plank]

as you u shshoushshould

[sharp lichen]

Unfortunately, we don’t have as much power in genchat

[wicked plank]

Oof

[high cedar]

Not with that attitude we won't!

[sharp lichen]

Never underestimate genchat!

[frigid tinsel]

genchat will defend the queerphobe then say you're the problem for "fighting" them

[keen shore]

it honestly doesn’t feel worth it. it’d just be me exposing myself to a bunch of queer phobic stuff and knowing none of them will change and for what?? if I wanted that i would just log off discord and go outside.

this conversation is getting depressing, I would love to change the subject. Calling out queerphobia is fine, it just sucks sometimes to remember that it’s lurking everywhere and there’s not much I can do to change it.

[tranquil harbor]

Honestly, even though I like that lorechat can go from lore to normal conversation and back, and it's all very organic, it feels like every time we've gone off lore in the past week was to talk about depressing things and it gives a very hopeless feeling.

[nimble ingot]

eyo, what is lore chat up to now?

[tranquil harbor]

Soul sucking depression

[sharp lichen]

I was thinking about the Days of Events, and how they were celebrated in the Sky world.
Are they mostly celebrated by Skykids, or do you think Ancestors helped them too

[frigid tinsel]

ancestors prob introduced the holidays to skykids, so ancestors have a precedent for celebrating them

[tranquil harbor]

I wonder if any where made by sky kids and the ancestors are just also enjoying them, or if they're all ancestor holidays that are being 'brought back'.

[nimble ingot]

Soul sucking depression
Now now, leave that for the krill.

Besides, the lore in the game has its wholesome moments.

[sharp lichen]

I’d say that Days of Mischief and Days of Sky are mostly Skykid related, but every other event seems to be Ancestor related

[tranquil harbor]

Days of Mischief may be a holiday for children, much like halloween, but that doesn't mean the skids made it up, necessarily. While Days of Sky could potentially be the kingdom's anniversary celebration

[high cedar]

Skids can be pretty chaotic
I wouldn't be surprised if it was them

[tranquil harbor]

tbh I'm all for the skids making a holiday or two. I like the idea of 'the old gives way to the new/children are our future' and all that. It'd mean the skids are actually taking a place in their new home

[nimble ingot]

Agreed.
Though would like to include a point that these events can be considered to be a little bit meta in regards to the themes and how they relate to real life events.
Holidays and anniversary aside, it is nice to see how the Sky style is applied to the events.

It is also a refreshing way of adding variety to the game without cluttering the daily grind, while ensuring that the events remain special.

[keen shore]

I’ve just been more depressed by the rampant queerphobia in the community recently, so it’s been harder to keep off my mind

Days of Sky is the game’s anniversary, right? So wouldn’t it be celebrating the anniversary of the first skykids falling by default as well?

[frigid tinsel]

i like that idea.
oh no that craps my ficverse timeline.

[nimble ingot]

Days of Rainbow should be around the corner. That is at least that to look forward to as well 🌈

[nimble ingot]

That, or possibly the arrival/link to the office realm (earth).

[high cedar]

Yea :0 I'm even skipping g this ts so I can have enough for the gay cape [I know it's rainbow cape, but I like calling it the gay cape XD]

[keen shore]

And since the first skykids fell that day, an extension of that idea would be that days of Sky is celebrating the anniversary of when the land and the spirits in it started healing from the darkness as well, since that’s our job! I think this would be my favorite interpretation of it. Maybe it’s a festival celebrating light in-universe or something.

[high cedar]

Aaaw, that's so sweet! I like that interpretation!

[keen shore]

Bright glowing lights everywhere, little manta sculptures, an abundance of candle cakes scattered in dark areas… it’s really neat to imagine :-)

[tranquil harbor]

Wasn't there a festival of summer lights before?

[spark cairn]

Mmm. Days of summer lights. My beloved

[tranquil harbor]

were days of summer and days of summer lights connected like a two part thing, or are they two different things?

[sharp lichen]

They shared some parts (like the sandcastle), but they have different inspirations. For example, I theorize that Summer Lights was based on Diwali

[tranquil harbor]

well yeah, sky has a lot of different cultural inspirations. But I was wondering if they were connected in universe (beyond just being summer holidays)

[sharp lichen]

I think they were: the traveling spirits from Days of Summer returned to sell props in Days of Summer Lights

[frigid tinsel]

You can have more than one summer holiday if you’re not a coward

[tranquil harbor]

Well duh. It's not bad to have them be different, or have them be two parts of the same general holiday. I'm just curious about sky culture

[regal forge]

I bet ancestors had celebrations for the different seasons
Days of summer, days of nature, days of mischief when that season returned for a bit, days of feast/fortune etc.

[tranquil harbor]

Holidays irl, like Christmas and New Years, are close together, but ultimately unconnected. I'm wondering if Days of Summer and Summer Lights are like that, or like, if Days of Summer Lights is a holiday that Days of Summer transitions into, as like a second step or something. I feel like there are irl holidays like this, but none of the American Holidays are like that so I dunno.

[queen pike]

wait, there's homophobia? in sky?

[white junco]

days of summer lights existed a year before days of summer, but we don't know if the introduction of new celebrations is canon or if we're supposed to pretend they were always there

[sharp lichen]

Not in the game, but of course there are queerphobic people in the community

[white junco]

you're always gonna find homophobia in a large enough community. it sucks but unfortunately you can't really keep them out

[queen pike]

WHERE?! 👊

[keen shore]

I remember hearing about an entire petition some homophobes made to try and cancel days of rainbow last year. so yeah

[sharp lichen]

#general-sky-discussionis full of them, lurking about. Be careful discussing gender there

[nimble ingot]

they what now? Nah, that is not right. 😶

[queen pike]

boutta revoke my oath of non-violence rn /hj

[white junco]

someone came after me and a bunch of other queer folks in genchat (ts reveal) for talking about neopronouns. they're still in this server, as is the blatant transphobe that joined in the discussion

mods shut down the convo instead of just muting the two people causing issues

[lyric isle]

ew.

[queen pike]

oh my megabird, we gotta do something

petition to start a petition

[nimble ingot]

Here is a piece of revolutionary wisdom.
If one meets a person that has a different opinion, religion, gender identity or whatever it may be that one might not approve of.
As long as it does not affect anyone in a negative way, it is best to simply leave the person alone and carry on with one's life.

[white junco]

baud that is not what was just said

[tranquil harbor]

'Leave people alone and mind your business' is such a simple concept but no one seems to grasp it. It doesn't affect you. You don't have to be besties to not be a piece of human garbage

[queen pike]

but what about retribution? 🥺

[tranquil harbor]

All the retribution in the world won't help you if you break skycord's rules and get banned to do it. You don't take yourself out with the trash

[queen pike]

i can't just sit here while there are bigots running about! we gotta find their usernames and tell the mods! i have to do something!

[tranquil harbor]

Calm your horses, Lume. Go too fast and you'll just wear yourself out

[sharp lichen]

It is an extremely difficult task that can’t be done without insane amounts of planning. Retribution will not change the general atmosphere present in Sky.

[queen pike]

how can i help then?

[sharp lichen]

What we need to do is to help things positively, instead of countering the negative things. Make pronouns besides he/she accepted, make other people accepting of different sexualities and genders, and ignore the ones who do wrong.

[tranquil harbor]

Yeah, one person doesn't really have the power to change the entire world alone. Start with yourself and lead by example.

[queen pike]

ok, i'll be extra vocal during days of rainbow

i'll qr friend ppl and then lead them to krill.

[lyric isle]

this game has helped me in the journey of coming to terms with me discovering I'm nonbinary quite a lot. the lack of gender thereof has been great on my end

[tranquil harbor]

I gave out shell necklaces to my friends during days of nature. I think I might do it again for rainbow, if there is a cheap IAP

[formal skiff]

please tell me you’re joking???

[tranquil harbor]

Homophobes love their petitions to stop queer events lol. This is one thing that doesn't surprise me.

[lyric isle]

idk what this is but uh. have noticed people in general avoiding using it/its for me and it makes me...concerned

can you people in here please Only use those pronouns for me? tired of she/her used as the only one

@formal skiff every community has utter scum sadly

[queen pike]

oh dear i'm so sorry :<

[formal skiff]

I always use it/its for you, occaaaaasionally she/her but honestly usually as an afterthought so that I’m not only using the one, but you have it/its listed first and I figured you get it less (ig I was right) so that’s mostly what I use

[formal skiff]

True

[queen pike]

now then, who thinks we should sacrifice homophobes to the krill :) Edit: is this an acceptable form of retribution baudshaw?

[tranquil harbor]

I've just been using 'them/them' because until recently I didn't know your pronouns, so it kinda stuck even after because it was still labeled as acceptable. I need to get into the habit of checking people's abouts.

[formal skiff]

Ye I just use they/them on default (like, when I don’t know), but I read people’s abouts when I’m bored so whatever you have written, if I’ve talked to you more than like- once, I probably know what it says lol

[lyric isle]

It's not a thing I see often. It's very often she or they, never it

idk if it is out of discomfort for perhaps using said pronoun towards a person, or wondering why someone would use pronouns used as an insult for trans people (answer: reclamation. turning those insults into a positive thing to get your back on idiots. but that's not why I use that), or genuinely being against that and as a microaggression (I sure hope not)
but please,,,, please use the pronoun I specifically prioritised for me

(I'm fine with they/them if ambiguously or out of not knowing btw)

[tranquil harbor]

Maybe you should remove she/they from your about?

[formal skiff]

Ye I mean I won’t really be changing anything but I shall continue to use it/its for you Vol

[lyric isle]

ironically I don't like it/its used for spirits but that's because I feel like that's people objectifying them and only seeing them for their cosmetics

I feel like I would like the canon usage more (follow the spirit to relive its memories) if not for those people tbh
besides. I do identify with a spirit gender so that is partially a thing to say that it does resonate with me besides from that

[sharp lichen]

Hey, Krills have standards you know

[white junco]

I know some folks are very uncomfortable with refering to someone as it/its because many trans people (myself included) have had many experiences of being called it/its to dehumanize us. Not that that's an acceptable excuse, someone's pronouns are someone's pronouns and they should be used depending on what the person wants

[lyric isle]

I can understand that, definitely - it is horrible that it is used degradingly

but people that Legit Like That exist too

[keen shore]

I’m really bad at remembering someone’s pronouns so I usually default to they/them if I can’t remember 😔 I do my absolute best to remember though

Sometimes I Will straight up forget that people use pronouns other than they/them in general

[livid crypt]

I read a book series that posited a language that was entirely without gendered pronouns. it made me want to make a new language for us all. gendered pronouns frankly cause a lot of trouble and aren't necessary in most communication

[lyric isle]

could you name said book series (and its conlang too) 👀

[lyric isle]

a pro on my end: I'm immune to someone trying to insult me by calling me 'it'. You've properly referred to me HAHA

[keen shore]

Several times I have seen someone use he/him or she/her pronouns and be like “THOSE EXIST??” and immediately wonder why I forgot they did

[livid crypt]

off-topic... but I guess most of this isn't lore right now so ok 🙂 it was the "Culture" series by Iain M. Banks

[formal skiff]

Such a power move XD just like using all pronouns

[tranquil harbor]

We were talking about holiday lore, then we slipped again

[livid crypt]

If you read that book series you'll get a lot of insights into Skybot's odd behavior as well

[lyric isle]

(dw I might try to come up with a random topic to steer things back on track)
thanks for letting me know! will go research

[tranquil harbor]

Oho~ Skybot lore

[formal skiff]

How so??

[livid crypt]

I read the series before I wrote skybot. Heavily influenced.

[lyric isle]

we just got an unexpected kind of lo - Ennarcia said it before me fherufhrieuhrfuh

[keen shore]

Here’s a fun secret. If you don’t put your pronouns in your bio, even transphobes will default to they/them for you. It’s very funny to watch it happen each time. Just a tip

[formal skiff]

Huh cool!
You wrote skybot??

[livid crypt]

Here andin Sky I insist on any pronouns because how people treat you based on their own assumptions tells you a lot about them

[tranquil harbor]

It's not 100% full proof. Some people will still take a shot in the dark for how they think you present, but Salem's idea does work.

[lyric isle]

"no, I refuse to use singular they!! it makes no sense! if a person told me to, why would I refer to them as such? it doesn't exist! you're only a boy or girl, you - "

• why would I refer to them as such?

[white junco]

this is true, I've been misgendered in this channel (not by a regular) but like. my pronouns are in my name, how could you miss that

[formal skiff]

i didn’t even notice lol

[tranquil harbor]

The movement to pretend 'they/them' was always plural was infuriating.

[lyric isle]

it's been singular for a very long time. some uptight scholars tried to stop that but couldn't forever

[formal skiff]

Like- my dude it has been used singularly for centuries, you can’t just pretend this is some newfangled crime unto all grammarkind

[sharp lichen]

What the aforementioned person said is true. Baudshaw hates pronouns. Baudshaw thinks that it’s not needed and that #lore-discussion-spoilers can do just fine without pronouns. If #lore-discussion-spoilers uses pronouns, Baudshaw will block #lore-discussion-spoilers immediately

[lyric isle]

loving they/them being used for basically all the characters in this game so much

[tranquil harbor]

I actually did miss it lol. If I think your name is a long bunch of different stuff, it tends to filter into one ear and out the other past a certain point.

[keen shore]

YEAH. Also some characters would totally just. invent their own pronouns. I can totally see jellyfish whisperer’s pronouns being like jelly/fish or something, and the fact that it is within reason fills me with glee

[white junco]

yes pronouns are not technically necessary for communication but consider: I like them

[lyric isle]

my current nickname is a result of increasing desperation for a certain metal transmutator whom has a lack of interest and enthusiasm but that's irrelevant

[sharp lichen]

Which spirit would have pronouns of their own name?

[formal skiff]

At some point I just stopped caring what was used for me beyond not being he/she so have fun lol

[fading bear]

I’m pretty sad my native language doen’t actually have a singular gender neutral pronoun. Also plural pronouns are really similar to she/her pronouns and we don’t have an equivalent to sibling or cousin.

It is very nice to see more people figure something out anyway :))

[lyric isle]

seeing she/her used for Cannoneer in the NetEase stream did legit upset me - I projected it/its onto it because it feels like someone who'd genuinely use that to me but aaaaaaa

it/she I guess - HEY THAT'S WHAT I USE

[keen shore]

I was going to start jokingly using latin neutral pronouns for you but. I forgot what they were

[sharp lichen]

Is it because of differences between Netease and TGC?

[formal skiff]

Do it coward

[tranquil harbor]

It's not a Netease vs TGC thing. I heard Dancer get gendered during a Performance stream

[rigid mural]

HIT ME UP IF YOU FIND THEM COS IVE BEEN LOOKING FOR THEM

[keen shore]

If you see me looking up what the Latin gender neutral pronouns are bc I completely forgot them no you didn’t

[lyric isle]

I Want to play the game in Spanish for educational purposes to learn a handful of job names through the spirits (and a handful of adjectives/verbs) but gendered spirits upset me too much to want to
it feels too wrong

[formal skiff]

angr
TGC if you’re gonna say they all use they/them at least tell your staff to do so.

[tranquil harbor]

They also regularly say people are free to use what they want.

[livid crypt]

For reference if anyone needs it, but it is strictly against both the rules of this server and the ideals of staff and moderators to in any way suppress representation and expression of identity, or to deny the existence or basic equality of all members. I wrote this the other day to partly address it and continue to search for better ways to share the message: #general-sky-discussion message

meanwhile, moderators here act on more information than is often visible in public chat, but we can also be imperfect in enforcing, so please be willing and active supporters of the same goals so we can cooperate on keeping intolerance out of this space as much as possible. #contact-the-mods or ping us for excessive or dangerous content

[rigid mural]

Giving them my pronouns.

[keen shore]

I FOUND IT. Id/Id/eius

You have to bend the rules a little to make it make sense in English, and it’s closer to it/it’s because Latin is a super gendered lamguage, but you know. Close enough

[rigid mural]

French inherited the gender from Latin 😔 😔 😔

[formal skiff]

I understand that people are free to see the spirits as they wish, but it’s also incredibly frustrating and exhausting that one of the few times I see characters canonically be nonbinary, it gets consistently ignored/dismissed by a lot of the fanbase. I sometimes feel like TGC is all talk about them being agender and no action- not actually being explicit about it, to the point where most players, myself included, don’t even know that they’re agender until joining the discord.

[livid crypt]

this is what I mean about wanting gender-neutral language: all of us, including TGC staff have the tendency to thoughtlessly assign gendered pronouns even when we know otherwise because we've been raised and trained to do so. The younger generations will always be two steps ahead because progress is being made. I was trying to remember for myself earlier today if "grandma" is canonically known this way at all because that would be a step outside the norm

[rigid mural]

People aren't upset because we call the spirit showing up in forest at X:30 "grandma", I think they are more upset at the "Well this spirit has long hair/a dress so I'm calling her a girl" crowd.

[formal skiff]

Seriously, yeeting gendered terms from language would be an improvement in a number of situations

[high cedar]

Not exactly, but they definitely shouldn't be focused on so much in language

[rigid mural]

I call them grandma too, doesn't make them any less gender neutral. Superficial changes will only annoy people, we need to deconstruct the vision of gender = behavior or appearance.

[tranquil harbor]

'Dude' stopped being masculine and became neutral awhile ago. We need more stuff like that. Because tbh I do like some of the words we have already. Granny is fun to say

[keen shore]

I think the hardest thing about these discussions is that people don’t even realize how harmful the whole “these spirits are confirmed genderless so that means I get to assign my own gender perceptions to them” can be. Like from an outsider’s standpoint I can totally get that being their default response. The issue is when you express discomfort with that and state how harmful it is, it either balloons into a big argument or you just get ignored.

It’s one of those “”tiny”” things we have to deal with on a daily basis that just builds up if that makes sense. You express discomfort over it and everyone is like “but it’s such a small thing!!”

[high cedar]

Exactly! I use dude as a gender neutral term all the time and people get that!

[formal skiff]

Same, I use granny and also they/them

[formal skiff]

Yeah… TGC is really ambiguous and conflicting about whether they mean “agender” or “insert gender here” and it is frustrating

[rigid mural]

Oh btw alexdolly, last time you showed up while I was online you kinda got your parade rained on, so I gotta say making these unspoken rules a bit more official (since you're a mod) helps and are a step in the right direction, thank you.

[high cedar]

Mhm, I definitely call them grandma but I respect that they're a they. Spirits don't really need genders ¯_(ツ)_/¯ and skykids can be whatever that person wants to be since that's the one player they have control over

[livid crypt]

I only wish we didn't need rules telling us to just let each other live and be ourselves

[rigid mural]

Keep in mind TGC operates sky in countries where being queer is frowned upon or even straight up illegal, so officially they kinda need to stay ambiguous.

[tranquil harbor]

Yeah, closeted queer people still need access to these things, and making it ambiguous so it quietly sneaks underneath the radar is how we get it to them.

[formal skiff]

It all comes back to “our world is screwed up” doesn’t it 😔

[keen shore]

Yeah, that’s the part that sucks most. I get the reasoning behind it, I just hate living in a world where the representation I get is treated like bargaining chips yknow

[tranquil harbor]

Just gotta take baby steps. The stuff we have now is leaps and bounds better than what I got as a kid. It's kinda shocking it went this fast tbh

[rigid mural]

[insert beta spoilers] gave me hope that TGC at its core really is genuinely supportive of queer people & still listen to us !

[livid crypt]

right? it can make logical sense if you see all the competing factors others have to deal with, but it doesn't change the constant onslaught that marginalizes the individuals

[formal skiff]

We’re standing on the shoulders of a lot of people. It helps things come out (pun initially unintended I swear lol) into the open that have been under the surface for years.

We’ve still got a long way to go though. We probably always will. But… we’ll keep going, I suppose. Nothing else to do about it.

[tranquil harbor]

The past is the past and the present is now! So let's march forward!

[rigid mural]

A lot of the devs are also queer (ktjn and ash go by she/they and there might be more) so it feels like we're seen.

[high cedar]

I am glad that you guys mentioned here that the spirits were genderless. Before I had no idea, but now I'm glad that I know so I don't accidentally assign a gender to a gender less being. Plus I find it very sweet because you don't get a lot of non binary figures in media at all. They're essentially non existent and that's unfortunate.

[formal skiff]

Iko uses any genderless pronouns, alexdolly said any, there are certainly more. Turns out Sky is just very queer lol.

[tranquil harbor]

Our people gather. It's just how we are.

[formal skiff]

Seriously though NONE of my close friends are both cis and straight, yet most of us knew each other before we knew we were queer. HOW does this happen.

[rigid mural]

Short or long answer ?

[tranquil harbor]

Because we're not as rare as believed. Since straight + cis is taught as the default, and nothing else is presented as an option then people just don't have the knowledge to experiment.

[high cedar]

And our increasing numbers ARE NOT queer people indoctrinatibg people with the gay agenda XD
I hear this too much💀

[keen shore]

we are pack animals yes. It’s very funny, especially considering that 90% of the time it’s completely unintentional (like how a disproportionate amount of lorechat is queer for some reason). It’s like we have this homing instinct on each other

[tranquil harbor]

Lies. We absolutely have an agenda, and u will get with the hive mind /j

[lyric isle]

yee - we band together because we understand each other's struggles

[formal skiff]

Actually yeah when I talk to people I infect them with the queer. Watch out or you’ll be next.

[high cedar]

shhhhhh don't let them know that, it's seeecret

[tranquil harbor]

I love this crab emote tho. I like to imagine skids gluing flags to crabs and setting them free en masse in buildings

[formal skiff]

For days of rainbow ‘23 can we make that an option

[tranquil harbor]

Do it TGC. Put flags on the office crabs.

[rigid mural]

You will find more queer people in some circles, where I am there is a majority of them in art schools for example. Generally places you can express yourself in or at least experiment (hence the queer theater kid trope).

It's also a matter of general behavior, you probably wouldn't stick around people calling eachother "gay" as an insult because they tend to dig their heels in their preconceptions & generally are closed-minded.
How one handles disagreements really affects how lasting a friendship may be.

[high cedar]

PLEASE

[formal skiff]

And the other ones!!

[tranquil harbor]

all the crabs

[rugged jackal]

[rigid mural]

I do know we're a lot on the spectrum too, but this might be self explanatory in that context

[keen shore]

Listen just because YOU haven’t unlocked our secret ability to emit radiation that turns people gay doesn’t mean we haven’t as well 🙄 /j

[white junco]

my entire irl friend group turned out to be trans. we all met before realizing this

[formal skiff]

Get with the program smh

[high cedar]

We have built in gaydars that pull us closer to the gays of course!

[lyric isle]

me before playing this game was entirely questioning. a girl with no known definite orientation

I feel like this has genuinely helped me realise that I am absolutely not that whatsoever. a genderless cast has made me feel comfy as myself but only realised why last September

[rigid mural]

At lvl20 your gaydar can be upgraded to gay rays you can aim at your friends

[sacred mauve]

All of my friends (including me) are queer, we also met before we knew

[white junco]

I came out first, does this mean I made everyone trans

actually in all seriousness I apparently made some folks realize you could trans your gender and yeah. My gender is aoe

[lyric isle]

anyway uhhhhhhhhh lore time before we're told to? let's gradually shift the topic

[rigid mural]

Teth made me nonbinary

[high cedar]

Your gaydar went to lv 20!

[tranquil harbor]

But what lore I feel like we get off topic more when we're hungry, but all the good lore is in beta

[high cedar]

It is!!! And I'm so sad :"<

[formal skiff]

Uhhhhh this is lore cos we’re talking about spirits being nonbinary- *coughs *

[white junco]

good lore is in beta but you know what else is in beta? the most confusing player I've ever interacted with, right now

[formal skiff]

Tell

[tranquil harbor]

We probably shouldn't smack talk other specific players here

[rigid mural]

Is the message here informal in english too ? Cos it sounds like the spirits are asking this to the skykid

[keen shore]

Yeah it is!!

[white junco]

type of player that is tall and maskless that I can't say here. both performance ults. they're genuinely nice, just very very confusing. I will stop here

[formal skiff]

Look where are we supposed to move this conversation, genchat??

[rigid mural]

Black textboxes like these for spirits talking to our skid... I wanna chat with the guide, they are fruity

[tranquil harbor]

A lawless wasteland, gen chat is.

[lyric isle]

if I could change nickname in just one channel if I wanted I would put 'it/its' in my nickname in this channel
I'm scared of getting the short end of the stick in the wider server though. I can report but the words Will still hurt

[keen shore]

I THOUGHT THEM STEALING YOUR GENDER WAS JUST A JOKE

[tranquil harbor]

I found out they played Electric Guitar when jamming with us and my heart is theirs

[white junco]

laidback pioneer made me transmasc

[rigid mural]

Teth stole my gender for performance guide to lend me theirs

[lyric isle]

I blame the entire Enchantment crew. They magicked the binary away from me as a gift for raising me in-game

[tranquil harbor]

Solution, never go anywhere but lorechat.

[keen shore]

I knew I was non-binary I think like a year before joining sky?? So I just completely forgot to mentally assign all the spirits genders or whatever before I even knew they were confirmed genderless. I didn’t even question it, I just forgot gender existed entirely

[lyric isle]

well I do basically only talk in channels where people are mostly accepting so..................I'll be brave and

[white junco]

I knew I was nonbinary, sky made me realize I was Just a Guy

[formal skiff]

I think my gender crisis and beginning Sky happened roouuuughly simultaneously though I can’t remember. But unrelated haha.

[keen shore]

Spade saw stretching lamplighter and was like Omg they put me in the game ?

[tranquil harbor]

Seriously, lorechat and the news/polls are the only places I go here. I kinda took a peak at beta channels just because the new season 'might not look like a season' and I needed to know what the heck that meant, but otherwise, I very carefully curate my experience

[lyric isle]

the.

uh

[rigid mural]

Pointing Candlemaker*

[formal skiff]

I only go here, news, and fanart.

[lyric isle]

look at me I'm a brave kid

[covert carbon]

lorechat and polls here for me!

[rigid mural]

Just a guy spirits:

• Candlemaker
• Pioneer
• Lamplighter

[keen shore]

there’s like a whole pack of Just a Guy spirits and I like to imagine that they all meet up every few weeks for the most boring brunch you will ever go to and talk about the weather

[tranquil harbor]

The closest I get to other channels is searching up dev messages looking for TS hints/lore

[white junco]

there are and they're all my favorites

[formal skiff]

I’m proud of you!! Not easy, good job

[outer hare]

Here, news and cozy 💜

[rugged jackal]

I go
-news
-polls
-letters from the devs occasionally
-lorechat
-sometimes cozy when I need a hug

[lyric isle]

only putting this because I feel like people are avoiding the pronoun on purpose so uh. please respect this,,

[covert carbon]

They fold their socks!

[formal skiff]

But like despite the boringness you really want to go because you know it’ll be a very Comforting brunch

[rigid mural]

Adopted by 3 dads

[formal skiff]

And all the ones in rules and news

[rigid mural]

Candlemaker goes to pride with one kid & comes back with 5

[outer hare]

That pretend they actually read the newspaper when drinking their tea 🍵

[white junco]

pioneer, lamp, and candlemaker all have slightly different flavors of just a guy. out of the three I think lamp needs the most therapy

[raw crypt]

I MISSED THE GAY CHAT BC I WAS PLAYING STARDEW, TRAGIC

[keen shore]

I’m actually going to debate you on this. Doublefive Light Catcher is more of a Just a Guy than Laidback Pioneer is. In this essay I will

[rigid mural]

Laidback Pioneer did go to hell...

[white junco]

they got better

[covert carbon]

WAIT YALL WERE TALKING ABOUT STARDEWVALLEY

[keen shore]

Laidback pioneer is just a Guy but like the emo variant of it

[raw crypt]

funniest ts hint to date

[rugged jackal]

In the essay you will

[formal skiff]

Xe will

[rigid mural]

Laidback Pioneer after coming back out of the gates of hell: "kinda chilly out here, huh ?"

[keen shore]

like they totally attend the brunch but also they shop at hot topic

[white junco]

candlemaker - your dad
pioneer - some guy but emo
lamp - really just needs to lie down

[keen shore]

You wanna hear a hot take. Every time we join doublefive light catcher at the sapling they ask us “how’s the weather down there” and then proceed to tell us as many dad jokes as they can reasonably fit into the span of a minute

[rigid mural]

You are my dad...
You're my dad ! Boogie woogie woogie !

[outer hare]

Now I understand why people play instruments just for a minute over there-

[rigid mural]

Can they grill tho

[white junco]

can I propose adding troupe greeter to the dad spirits list

[keen shore]

Dad-aligned Spirit Barbecue party (I had to add the disclaimer that it was a party because otherwise it sounded like I was grilling them, which was incorrect and which I would never do because that’s mean)

[formal skiff]

Meanwhile the skids listen attentively, filing all of this information away. Next time they regurgitate All of the dad jokes back at Doublefive and the spirit just stands there like “what have I done”

[covert carbon]

The Venn diagram is from father figure to just a guy

[white junco]

dadfive

[rigid mural]

Do they dance in this really tacky but endearing way

[tranquil harbor]

like accidentally teaching children bad words but for jokes

[white junco]

don't accidentally teach children bad words! do it on purpose

[formal skiff]

And then soon all the skids know them and are telling dad jokes left and right

[lyric isle]

I consider High-Ten as being the most adorable person you have ever met. Genuinely the sweetest with a very infectious laugh

[covert carbon]

I love doublefive I’m so glad we talk about them!!

[rigid mural]

Crab Whisperer teaching sky kids swear words and the other Lightseekers knowing it's them the next time one of them comes over.

[raw crypt]

Crab Whisperer banned from the official Sky: Children of the Light discord server

[lyric isle]

by high-ten I mean doublefive but the former name makes more sense to me

[covert carbon]

Crab whisperer looks like they use a very low quality mic on calls

[white junco]

crab whisperer screeches in zoom meetings

[lyric isle]

WAIT GIVE ME A SECOND LET ME MAKE SOMETHING
this might take some time and I apologise

can I ping you in meme channel when done

[covert carbon]

Hi krii!!

[rigid mural]

Everyone mutes them

[keen shore]

HI KRII

[fickle wing]

lightseekers zoom meeting
crab call turns their camera on and there’s just like 15 crabs on them

ALSO HI

[lyric isle]

who would be the most ominous in calls aside from crab call

[sharp lichen]

We all have a bit (but mostly a lot) of crab whisperer within us

[white junco]

piggyback has the most abysmal wifi, in lag hell

[rigid mural]

Crab Whisperer starts a zoom call from within a pipe

[sharp lichen]

every prophet besides fire is a total boomer and knows nothing about calls, and their cave has horrible wifi. Their calls would be cursed

[keen shore]

Spade

[rigid mural]

THEY DON'T HAVE 4G IN ISLE 😔

[covert carbon]

You know how our eyes reflect red when we take a picture? But for things that aren’t human it reflects a bright light? Anyways crab whisperer

[lyric isle]

please let me make this hang on I need to find the audio
will send link when done

[fickle wing]

consider
everyone in the cave except air has difficulties w technology to some degree
the reason why air doesn’t is cause they managed to kill Facebook for a while #batboss