lore-discussion-spoilers

[uncut pond]

Who says so? Maybe the kid in the Eden Diamond is the last fragment remaining of the original king, the rest of his light being fragmented

I think both theories can coexist perfectly

[dapper star]

I'm currently listening to the enchantment ost, just thought that I'd point out that it shares similarities to isle, for me at least. @keen shore

[slender laurel]

Do I need to spoiler things here??? If I do how do I spoiler things??? Also what about the o-word

[dapper star]

im not sure, since it says lore discussion spoilers

[white junco]

story spoilers can be left unspoilered, any beta content is not allowed even with a spoiler

[dapper star]

may I take a moment to discuss why isle is beautiful, even if it is deserted

[keen shore]

YEAH IT DOES there’s a lot of isle similarities in ench that makes me go hmm

[slender laurel]

Ok so it doesn’t need spoilers here????

[frigid tinsel]

Everything in Live is fair game. No need to spoiler spoilers. Only Beta content is not allowed

[dapper star]

Wait do you mean we need to spoiler tag PNR and glowy child? Or like no spoiler warning necessary?

[frigid tinsel]

I meant no need to spoiler sorry

[dapper star]

isle of dawn..

[keen shore]

so true

[outer hare]

beautiful?

[dapper star]

i had a theory, since we know isle wasn't always desert, but i may have a rough idea about enchantment and dawn, maybe the enchantment cast left after the stars fell? it would make sense, since they wear desert gear and look vaguely "middle eastern" if i may, so my idea is they left after the stars fell to sell their wares and learnt magic from prophecy place

it would be a nice tie in if they learnt magic from isle of dawn and then travelled

[keen shore]

I assumed sometjing similar too, they look so different from prophecy thst my assumption is either time or a different climate or both was separate from them

[dapper star]

i mean if you think about it, there were people that came to the prophecy cave (see the other spirits that learnt from the prophets)

[dapper star]

is it alright if we can be friends to yell at each other about theories and isle of dawn since you;re cool and you have similar theories to me :))

[keen shore]

YEAH!!! Thank you!!! <3

[outer hare]

salems trust has been acquired

[dapper star]

other theoriesssssss
the isle elder is excluded from the other elders, but why? (hence why no candle cakes in isle etc)

[outer hare]

aha i like this- in my theory isle elder was a double agent for megabirb.

[dapper star]

explain, elaborate

[outer hare]

Okie this is the unfinished and raw theory outline- King want to break down original system where ancestors living peacefully with pilgrimage to megabirb. King conspire with ( basically the villain from sonic but not crazy ) vault elder. Vault agrees because they never get to do nothing interesting around here. Vault regrets that eventually but cant stop due to kings influence. King conspire more power, ends in realms being hurt. Wasteland was forced into it due to blackmail by vault elder. hATRED. Wasteland elder however proceeds to tell isle about king's plan. Isle becomes double agent for megabirb. Megabirb decides that a backup plan in case things go wrong. Skykid creation. Isle begins work on history of realms to put in cave paintings. Forest begins to get hurt by the cruel way trees are treated in her realm behing her back, cut down for king's wild plans. Prairie elder is oblivious. Valley twins are concerned but do not think anything of it.King begins to realise faults. Builds the ark/ Explosion. Isle is preparing to leave and pave the way for soon-to-arrive skYkIdS. they know their going to go soon. Everybody except wasteland and vault does the same. Vault suffers in agony, eventually succumbing. Wasteland elder was forced to fight till their last breath. SHOOT- this isn't all the tiny details included just a little TwT - now its become this- that innocent theory is now this haunting paragraph-
Alright so from this vague outline and elaborating i will only do if you want me to- enjoy 💜

[frigid tinsel]

Isle Elder might’ve stuck to their principles about the light cycle and Megabird that would seem antiquated and possibly at times hostile to the kingdom’s increasing reliance on darkstone technology

[sharp lichen]

The prophets develops a unique culture because of their isolation from the rest of Isle (furries)

[dapper star]

wait explosion????

[outer hare]

Explosion of the eye of eden- reason of catastrophe.

[dapper star]

i have a slightly dumb question, but why is there no life in sky other than the skykids and creatures of light? we have the spirits sure but like it;s all just memories, is it not??? apologies im confusing myself

[outer hare]

Catastrophe. Wiped out all the original ancestors bringing forth only a mere backup plan of skykids. While the animals mainly survived but perhaps originally there were even more.

[dapper star]

okay, next question, what even are krill/dark dragons?

[outer hare]

Corrupted animals. Who knows what their descendants are, there are theories going around but most people believe it might be whales or mantas or sorts.

[rapid arrow]

I personally think it’s a mix of decaying building, dead spirit bodies and light creatures mixed with some corrupted water

[outer hare]

Just a lil smoothie for our king

[dapper star]

i had an idea that krill are corrupted whales
wait what creatures are present in forest and vault that look similar to krill

[outer hare]

I think that they've evolved from being kind of like nuclear war survivors then slowly going to what we see today, hungry for our wl and blissful life.

[dapper star]

i think that makes sense, also their eyes could be a sad mutation with darkstone and oil (water but it looks oily in wasteland)

[white junco]

no longer present in the world of sky, but there are these bad boys from the switch trailer

[sharp lichen]

Furries are more common in lorechat than you think

[dapper star]

i forgot about them

[uncut pond]

I'm aware, I just felt really called out by that one

[outer hare]

that reminds me- someone in thatdisaster's family chat sent this. its a changed colour versiion of underwater krill-

[dapper star]

what is it with you and furries /genq

[outer hare]

this entire chat often has conversations about each spirits fursona, relax. Dont point out just one person

[dapper star]

oh okay thank you LMAOJDAKUFIEFYUAKEFAE i feel stupid but anyway krill are real

[outer hare]

i mean if they werent i wouldnt be losing wl everday im doing tasks in gw-

[uncut pond]

Krill are real irl. There's one in your walls. Run.

[dapper star]

but they're comically small

[outer hare]

coconuts kill more people than sharks every year.

[uncut pond]

Oh wait I forgot krill were real animals LMAO

I'm losing touch with reality

[outer hare]

ahh dont worry the other day i nearly thought that the sun is a giant wl.

[dapper star]

no bc same i literally have like Really Important Exams from next monday until june the 29th i might cry but anyways i tried honking irl and i forgot that i cant hold on myself to emit a noise i have to like...make one

quick thing, yk how darkstone is used pretty much everywhere from forest onwards

[outer hare]

To show the progression of technology. Its another symbolisation of how technology improved in sky. One of the concepts are to see improved technology in each realm. This is alongside seeing the times of day in each realm.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/632004389137154048/969735945345699860/Screen_Shot_2022-04-30_at_9.03.42_am.png

Here's the picture for reference enjoy ^^ 💜

[dapper star]

thank you

[outer hare]

bobbit-

[sharp lichen]

Fruitzie isn’t here

[outer hare]

Fruitzie hasnt been here for the past week or so T^T

[soft timber]

I just realized that when I tried to find the images I put here, they are gone, i should have put them where they should be

Nvm I put them in the right channel

[slender laurel]

Does anyone want to see my elder family tree
EDIT: if so sorry for my handwriting… it can be sloppy… but I tried hard on this… both with handwriting and making it… (ends rambling)

[uncut pond]

Sure

[slender laurel]

Ok

Here you guys go

FYI Oreo and lightseekers guide have no connection I just ran out of space so they had to be close to each other

What do you guys think?

What do you think?!?!!?!??

[do you guys hate it…]

I know that the channel is just slow rn I’m joking with the sad face, etc.

[sharp lichen]

This is cursed and I love it

[slender laurel]

Thank you
EDIT: that took 15 minutes and my small knowledge of lore

[frigid tinsel]

Worth pointing out

Lorechat >>> cheese >>>>>>> Wooly Mantas

[sharp lichen]

This does imply some cursed
connections though:
Isle married their sibling.
“Wax” has multiple parents that cheated on each other.
Lightseekrs guide is the parent of “the crew (tgc devs?), the very emotion of happiness, and fish

Wooly mantas are the 1st cousin fifth removed of regular mantas. In fact, they have more in common with a Norse god who doesn’t even appear in Sky then regular mantas.

[slender laurel]

About the wax thing

I was just making fun of the fact u use candles to make candles in sky

[sharp lichen]

I do believe this can be even more cursed.

[slender laurel]

Isle thing is more since they were the only two people in the entire world at the time

But still the wooly manta thing is genuinely on purpose

Also the lightseeker thing was on purpose as well

[sharp lichen]

Wooly manta was made with fluff, not cheese! /hj

[slender laurel]

Also thank you guys for your support of this tree
I appreciate it

[slender laurel]

Shredded cheese is fluffy
EDIT: that’s all I’m saying

[sharp lichen]

There is one critical piece missing. Where does Pointing Candlemaker fit on here? They’re the only spirit that has a canon family, they should be included /hj

[slender laurel]

Isle didn’t like his kids using darkstone so he adopted them as the ‘kids he wanted but never got’
Them meaning pointing candlemaker

[sharp lichen]

This is a big development in the realm of elder shipping.
Some people don’t like them being shipped, but Isle x Prairie is close to canon

[slender laurel]

But isles old enough to be prairies parent??? Right????

[sharp lichen]

Elder ages are terrifying. Never assume anything.

[slender laurel]

Also did anyone notice where grandma is

She has an important pet birb.

[keen shore]

they’re all the same ages I believe

[rigid mural]

Elders are very ancient. We don't know their age or birthdays, gender, or if age & gender existed.
(japanese livestream 2, formerly known as the "lost stream")

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1F0MQ8T8yc_5OrBXF5OtD4M2W0zg_n_HrtnUyq1C8d2E

[sharp lichen]

it’s 3 years old at the very latest. How did it become lost?

[slender laurel]

Looks at this… looks at tree… wonder if I should get my axe to cut my tree down… decides to ignore the devs who don’t know what they are talking about… walks away whistling happily

[rigid mural]

[sharp lichen]

How do they not know and you do?

[frigid tinsel]

It was in Japanese on the TGC Japanese YouTube channel and us English speakers were clueless.

Honestly it’s been parroted as “the lost livestream” for so long it almost became accepted as fact that couldn’t be reversed

[slender laurel]

I live in sky and broke into discord to send stuff

I interviewed the elders for this knowledge

Interviewing happiness and the krills were the hardest things

[sharp lichen]

If you exist in Sky, tell me. How fast do you fall? Also, is there any weight scale there?

[rigid mural]

Also from the japanese livestream 2:
The elders know each other because they came from the same place as shown in the opening murals. We can see the elders together in the vault cutscene and also after that.

[slender laurel]

I don’t… I fly

[rigid mural]

this + ash telling us all the intros relate of the same events...

[slender laurel]

Pfft…
[starts nervously sweating]

[rigid mural]

You don't need to be a litteral grandpa to be a grandfather figure, if you want your fics to be as close to canon as possible !

[slender laurel]

But lightseekers making happiness is still canon!!! I will ignore anyone who says otherwise!!!

[raw crypt]

funny thing abt that whole lost stream thing

i initially was looking for the “isnt around to saved anymore” (or however it goes) quote, and i dont think any of the stream notes mention that quote

i imagine it was probably a twitch stream that didnt get archived at this point

[frigid tinsel]

Yea, fanfiction is fanfiction. It can deviate from canon. For instance, we don’t know if the Elders fell at the same time or not. For my ficverse, they all fell at separate times

[outer hare]

walks in, serves some tea and leaves 🍵 🍵

[rigid mural]

I like to think Dawn was once respected among the elders for their wisdom, hence their appearance, but they fell from grace and ended up being rejected because they were hostile to change in an attempt to save remnants of the past.

Also the Lightseekers make me happy, so them bringing joy is canon.

[sharp lichen]

Most spirits bring joy (even hiking grouch)

[slender laurel]

‘Look, the king’
[grabs tree and runs back into sky]

[rigid mural]

What I would give for another event where you can quietly observe spirits just hanging out... idk it gave them this very... "human" dimension ? Even if the interactions were a bit out of sync or straight up made them clip through the map, it was still really fun to see them being friends and interacting with us !
Days of Bloom 2022 my beloved 💙

[frigid tinsel]

I wonder what Days of Rainbow has in store. Hope it transpires similar to Bloom

[rigid mural]

Considering how they interact with trees, I like the idea that they gather light in a kingdom that's starting to or is being overcome by darkness; considering how ancestor shells need our light to show us their memories, it's possible light was straight up vital to them the way good enough air is to us.

I enjoy this piece of concept art a lot, look at the bottom left !

[frigid tinsel]

Relevant fic quip

[rigid mural]

i would die for your rendition of crab whisperer, they are so !!!
the ever

[slender laurel]

[sneaks in… grabs pet crab john… tells him not to jump out of the tree again… runs back to sky at the speed of krill] 💨

[static meteor]

anybody got a picture of all the elders?

[formal skiff]

Wait wait wait it’s not lost??? :o

[frigid tinsel]

Here are all the Elders in the Vault OOB

[frigid tinsel]

Not anymore — Sagomay found it for us: https://youtu.be/12iKbUJRiy0

English transcription: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1F0MQ8T8yc_5OrBXF5OtD4M2W0zg_n_HrtnUyq1C8d2E/edit

[formal skiff]

Woohoo!

Now I want livestreams about the rest of the elders! >:D

[native shoal]

Tsadi’s head looks so tiny-

[rigid mural]

better ?

[frigid tinsel]

Killing me shdhjdnc

[formal skiff]

Tiny dorito

[covert carbon]

« Mom said it’s my turn on the war »

[frigid tinsel]

teensy wooly manta
omg that's a png, stealing

[raw crypt]

I didnt see the earlier message and had no idea what was wrong with this at first

[rigid mural]

WHEEZES

[keen shore]

YESSS it filled me with happiness. My dream event is something like the sapling wuests but with the colored light quests and the enchantment spirits

[white junco]

slamming my fists on the table, let them out. unleash the beasts

[frigid tinsel]

wanna see what other spirits are feral

[raw crypt]

we need to see playfight at their true power

[rigid mural]

tgc please free the enchantment spirits, they need to touch grass and feel the sun on their ghost skin

[raw crypt]

if tgc gave us scare content i think for once i wouldn’t be normal, just a tiny bit of not normal

[white junco]

crab walker bites I know it in my heart

[rigid mural]

crab walker would bite a cop

[uncut pond]

Is the perspective tricking me or does Night Elder not look that tiny compared to the other elders?

[keen shore]

Considering playfight just eats mushrooms without hesitation I think they are at least a little feral. I don’t know about violent feral, but definitely “eats bugs and weeds” feral

[frigid tinsel]

Crab Walker and Crab Whisperer would get along unleashing crabs across the kingdom

[white junco]

RELEASE THE BEASTS

[rigid mural]

crab walker and crab whisperer would tip over a vat of crabs while yelling "SCATTER !!!"

[frigid tinsel]

perspective – Night elder is placed in front of the rest of the Elders in this scene. that makes them look bigger

[raw crypt]

this is why tgem and scare are besties, they eat grass together

[keen shore]

maturity is knowing that alasdairs version of crab whisperer is the best one out there without contest

[white junco]

everyone look at scare in the grass

[rigid mural]

these two would paint and number the crabs from 1 to 50 but there's no crab number 12

[raw crypt]

PERFECTION SHOWSTOPPING 100/100 BELOEVD OF ALL TIME WHOOPING AND HOLLERING AND CHHEERRING

[rigid mural]

SCARECROW NEEDS TO LIVE IN A MONET PAINTING
them watering crops that will never grow to be harvested broke my heart, tgc let the blorbo interact with grass 💔

[frigid tinsel]

lad is having the time of their life

[keen shore]

I feel like it’s relevant so going to mention again that and almost DEFINITELY know each other in canon. there are murals of the first group on the ark, and they both have heavy associations with light,

Do with this information what you will. It’s completely reasonable for them to have influenced each other to some degree. In this essay I will further justify why we need the Enchantment spirits to be released from gay baby jail during days of mischief and

[raw crypt]

THEYTE BESTIESSS AND IM NORMAL ABT THE CONNECTION

[white junco]

i feel like tgc will not let them out for a while because they don’t want us to know their spot on the timeline 💔

enchantment spirits get NO crossovers. Tgc they need enrichment

[frigid tinsel]

Lightseekers: we gather light to save the wellbeing of beings of light everywhere in this treacherous time of darkness plaguing the land.
Enchantment: we gather light so we can mix it and sell it.

[keen shore]

Especially because the red light is right there near the ark. Let the guide and nodding muralist hang out pls and ty

[white junco]

oh yeah btw why do we have 2 red lights

[slender laurel]

Enchantment wanted to copy lightseekers but be cooler so they colored their lights
EDIT: did they succeed that’s up to you

[keen shore]

Slander . Enchantment is what happens when gay people touch the lights that’s why it’s rainbow

[slender laurel]

Also goodnight #lore-discussion-spoilers time for my first sleep in 187 days

[keen shore]

for clarification: the lightseekers didn’t turn the lights rainbow because they were wearing gloves and goggles and practicing lab safety techniques

[frigid tinsel]

Lightseekers would handle light delicately. Enchantment crew would carry lilght in their mouths if their hands were full

[keen shore]

YEAH my headcanon is that enchantment literally absorbed the lights so

The enchantment spirits would see an orb and eat it.

[keen shore]

I would commit many crimes if it was guaranteed that, if I pulled them off, days of rainbow would be like days of bloom but with the rhythm spirits

[rigid mural]

rhythm confirmed fruitiest season

[keen shore]

I feel so bad for rhythm guide. Died without drip

[white junco]

give this guy their drip back!!

[keen shore]

my favorite personal headcanon is that the rhythm and performance guides constantly stole each other’s clothes as part of a massive year long bit of pretending to be the same person while in stage. rhythm just died unlucky because their twin had the cool clothes at the time

[white junco]

rhythm just died unlucky
no area :/

[keen shore]

dude just got the short end of the stick in every possible way

[white junco]

i think tgc should give rhythm a little habitat to live in. i want to bully see them

[rigid mural]

i want to put a rainbow on that guy

[keen shore]

Rhythm guide petting zoo

[rigid mural]

they ask us for headpats like pioneer

[white junco]

we can actually reach their head

[keen shore]

every reaction (putting salami on whisperer spirits) has an equal and opposite reaction (petting rhythm guide head)

[white junco]

press Z to pet the bird

[keen shore]

🤛

[white junco]

YOURE SO MEAN

[frigid tinsel]

that's punch you animal

[keen shore]

eval flight guide… fight guide

[white junco]

salem did not press Z. salem punched the bird. don’t be like salem

[keen shore]

🧠 🤛

[keen shore]

I love this…,,, I will stop being violent for now I have calmed down

[rigid mural]

dont punch birds or else

[keen shore]

considering being violent again

[frigid tinsel]

i'm taking that as a threat /j

[frigid tinsel]

tall vet: I'm taller

[eager eagle]

Thinking of guides, is Rhythm guide and Gratitude guide the only guides without a specific place or realm ?

[keen shore]

legseeker and belogning do not have a spot besides the table

[rugged jackal]

Hi lorechat!

[rigid mural]

legseeker

[keen shore]

I left that typo in I thought you would enjoy it. Offering of peace adter bird related violences (I pressed the wrong key and punched bird by accident instead of petting ☹️)

[frigid tinsel]

stretch that leg real far

[keen shore]

Omg high heal

[white junco]

is that Fruit from Season of The Little Prince from hit mobile game Sky: Children of the Light

[keen shore]

I’m glad you specified it was a tlp spirit otherwise I would not have been able to tell what spirit you meant at all

[white junco]

I refuse to use their canon name. Fruit will do

[frigid tinsel]

could be Wasteland Elder striking a pose

[rigid mural]

fruit's undertale sona

[white junco]

undertale AU where mettaton was able to transition as a ghost instead of becoming a robot

[keen shore]

I am extremely bored and lorechat is slow. do you all want to do Spirit Fursona Assingment

[white junco]

yes but can I just send you images of the spirits instead of words

[keen shore]

yes that is fine and allowed

[keen shore]

sea otter

[frigid tinsel]

that was quick

[white junco]

your brain is so large omg

[keen shore]

THANK YOU it just. popped into my brain like a vision

[rigid mural]

can you do the lumberjack from forest

[keen shore]

hmmm… beaver
(I am open to debates on any of these btw)

[rigid mural]

canadian

[keen shore]

thinking… chickadee, they are cute and their song sounds like laughing :-)

[white junco]

:)

[keen shore]

I am trying to pick animals I could reasonably see inhabiting the realms each spirit is from, for added accuracy. The only exception is sea otter but it just felt right so

Edit! Wait, now that I think about it, I could see otters in pre desertification Isle

[rigid mural]

what about bird whisperer and light whisperer

can you do the fursonas of the entire flight crew actually

[keen shore]

Both are birds, the only questions are which ones. Bird Whisperer’s is a mockingbird due to their ability to imitate calls. Light whisperer’s would be a small songbird as well, although I’m unsure which one. My vote goes to also chickadee or maybe a wren

[worn forge]

What about a warbler?

[keen shore]

ok let me think

Guide - Border collie
Chimesmith - warbler or some other songbird, I am trying to think what bird calls most sound like bells
Navigator - falcon
Talented builder - hmm I’m not sure. I remember a specific bird that was really good at building complex nests but I can’t remember which one it was unfortunately :(

[formal skiff]

Salem nooo I never expected this betrayal 😭 how could you

||😔 im sorry that it’s come to this… but…||
||🐈🤛💨||

[rigid mural]

weaver birds or tailor birds !

[keen shore]

A Woodpecker or a mourning dove!

[rigid mural]

tailor birds earned their name, sewing bird

[keen shore]

trying to think of the most Just a Guy fursona there is. My vote is on some kind of domestic dog, orthey have the same energy

(I am second guessing myself)

Maybe a dingo??

[frigid tinsel]

prob just a mutt

[rigid mural]

and weaver bird nests, bird appartments

[formal skiff]

THANK YOU FOR BIRD PICTURES VELA

[keen shore]

YEAH THOSE ARE THE GUYS I REMEMBER THE DOME NESTS THANK YOU#!!!

[keen shore]

I am so sorry bird you weren’t supposed to see that,
Also I realized that an eastern bluebird would be so much better for light whisperer not just bc it’s a songbird but also it fits their color palette perfectly

even just the appearance of this animal alone has candlemaker energy. also in terms of climate I could reasonably see dingoes in isle, so going to say candlemaker is a dingo

do I still have a fursona backlog or have I gotten what I think they are so far. any better ideas are vastly appreciated because I’m unsure abt everyone but voyager

[rigid mural]

do fruit

[white junco]

I love dingoes, I look at this wild animal and my brain goes "that is a dog"

[rigid mural]

flamingo popped in my head bc bright flashy tall bird

[white junco]

flamboyance of flamingos

[keen shore]

Fox. One with super bright unrealistic colors and a big fluffy tail. I can’t explain this I have just seen so many extremely fruity fox fursonas that it was the first one in my brain. maybe with flamingo or bird of paradise feathers as a secondary trait

[rigid mural]

SONICFOX ???

[frigid tinsel]

yall missing out on peacocok fursona

[white junco]

no sonic's a hedgehog

[keen shore]

OH MY GOD AJDUAIALSJEJAJ peacock was a third guess but I didn’t know if could say it here

[rigid mural]

HELP NOT THE AJ PEACOCK BAN

[frigid tinsel]

I'm surprised peacock wasn't banned

[keen shore]

I agree. My full gut feeling is that candlemaker wouldn’t really think about animal behavior or designing their fursona a lot, they’d just see a dingo and be like “that is me.” and the fursona design would just be a normal looking dingo in anthro form

[rigid mural]

fruit would get one of these as a fursona cos he needs to be the specialest in the room

[white junco]

YES

[keen shore]

Not even just a NORMAL peacock but an albino one too. you are so correct

[rigid mural]

you look up "fabulous" in the dictionnary and there's no definition, just a picture of this bird

[sharp lichen]

Guess what my fursona would be

[eager eagle]

i love all the fursona ideas

[keen shore]

Some other assorted ones

• Enchantment Guide: sand cat
• Assemblu spirits: all warrior cat fursonas, they’re all part of the same clan too and have different designs
• playfight herbalist: either another small cat (probablh a black footed cat) or a really pretty ball python variant

I changed my mind on laughing lightcatcher because I remembered highland cows exist and that is probably a more accurate guess. it just. Seems right. Imagine one of those with curly instead of straight hair, and that would be their fursona

[rigid mural]

ok ok ok do the performance crew next

[frigid tinsel]

penguins

[rigid mural]

it's a little too on the nose tho, maybe the penguins are just their roles as performers

[white junco]

ok but if they weren't penguins. imagine it's ash giving ts hints and trying to not be super obvious

[eager eagle]

What about Chill Sunbather ?

[white junco]

what is the most colorful bird we have

[rigid mural]

PAINTED BUNTING

[sharp lichen]

Easily ants. I love those little guys

[rigid mural]

painted buntings look like they were colored by 4th graders, it's extremely endearing
saw one irl too, so smol

[keen shore]

HMMM let me think…

modest dancer - harp seal
mellow musician - another cat. I am thinking either a domestic cat or a caracal
frantic stagehand - screech owl
I don’t know about storyteller hmmm . I feel like they would be the most likely to have a fursona but I don’t know what it would be… maybe a fancy rat?

[rigid mural]

SCREECH OWL

[keen shore]

performance guide probably just a penguin I would guess. I like to think that all their students masks are designed to honor them

[rigid mural]

AWWW

[frigid tinsel]

an animal that clowns around

[keen shore]

mellow musicians alternate fursona might be a hyena, chosen specifically for the crazy hairdos possible with its crest. or a sparkledog

[rigid mural]

Goodnight lore chat, appreciate this bird (painted bunting).

[keen shore]

the bird is being appreciated :-)

[ember mica]

i literally wake up in a cold sweat. rhythm guide and performance guide is the misery x cpr remix

[steel crag]

what in the world

[ember mica]

<——is constantly emotional about the guide twins

i mean just think about it. before the eden fallout, while they were still alive. they must have been apart—performance with their kiddos in the theater and rhythm out traveling the world with their troupe. and then all of a sudden the sky turns blood red and all you can do is protect the people you’re around the best you can from the blast you know is coming.

so emotional thinking about performance trying to shield the theater kids with their own body from the eden blast and wishing they could have said goodbye one last time to the sibling i’m going insane actually

[lucid fable]

Why is the Eye of Eden called like that and what does this name means?

[outer hare]

eye of eden- eye for all-seeing perhaps and eden is known to be a tranquil place, perhaps trying to show what the king wanted it to be in the future, except the future turned out pretty terrible- forgot to add that this is just a theory- only megabirb knows why eye of eden is called eye of eden-

[dapper star]

It may also be referred to as such because of the eye of the storm present there

[outer hare]

Ive never seen vela in such confusion that they seem to type then untype every few seconds 👀

[rigid mural]

Hoo hoo I had this whole narrative in my head about them butting heads a lot as kids (twins are often likened to eachother so it's important for them to work even harder on growing their own personality) and may have fought since both wanted to work in the performance arts. Still, they were close to eachother, but the proximity was extremely grating.

Maybe that's why they are apart, one joined a traveling troupe (perhaps following Thoughtful Director if they're their eldest sibling), while the other stayed behind and took on the mantle of director in a theatre with a stationary troupe. The latter could have inherited those assets if that runs in the family too, hence why they could also be the owner.

As for their relationship, I like to think that now that they each have their own space to grow to be their own person in, the tension and hostility washed away and now they are eachother's best friend :]

But if you want angst, maybe the world ended too soon and they never got to hang out more than a few times after they finally mended their relationship...

[outer hare]

bobbit-

fruitzie has not appeared- sadness has appeared-

[nimble ingot]

Out of interest, would it be fair to gatekeep creatures in Sky?
As in, should all Sky creatures be aquatic animals?

[outer hare]

I mean i dont think its a gatekeeping thing- im pretty sure all the souces have said was that they prefer using aquatic animals due to their graceful movements-

[nimble ingot]

Or can one consider the possibility of Sky having other types of creatures?
Such as a horse, a deer, a lion, tiger, elephant, or even a snake or a rodent?

[outer hare]

or a bobbit

[rigid mural]

Sky has birds

[nimble ingot]

I agree and accept the graceful movement reasoning. Though wonder if it would be a limitation to include animals that do not have 'graceful movements'

[nimble ingot]

Small birds, and while larger version have been briefly shown in the game (the pudgy medium sized birds as memory fragments in season of Flight), and a brief appearance of the elder bird.

Birds seem to be a minority of the creatures in sky, especially when compared to how much a manta or a jellyfish appears in the game.

[rigid mural]

Do you consider penguins to count as aquatic ? Imo they'd be as aquatic as seals.

We also got butterflies.

[nimble ingot]

While a whale can be graceful movements, even such a magnificent creatures rarely makes a constant appearance in the game.
To such an extend, might I add, that the elder manta appears more in the game, in the season of Sanctuary, which resembles a whale more than the creature that is actually called a whale (or big fish) officially in the game (though in an indirect fashion).

[rigid mural]

Counterpoint: you constantly see birds throughout the game. If you want to count quantity, there are a huge amount of birds actually, though their white color and string formation might make them blend in the background.

[nimble ingot]

I am looking at the variety.
Counting the actual creatures would be pointless as the smallest creatures are treated as particles. A particle in a game is a simple object that can spawned like confetti. Ergo, there could be an infinite amount of small birds flying in an area, yet we only see a handful of them fly past and then disappear.

For birds, there are only the low poly 'paper birds', then the more defined yet still simplistic looking birds with a simple AI (they just sit and fly about); all of which act as ambient creatures.
While we do have medium sized birds, I am discounting them since they only appear as a fragment, and not a creature the skykids can interact with in the same way as the mantas. And lastly, an elder variant that has made only one appearance and it was to the minority of the player base, as it was from a season that took place before the game was released to Android and Switch.

Looking at other creatures, we have an abundance of mantas. While the creature in of itself is very iconic and loved in the Sky game, they make up for the majority of the game's creatures. They appear in practically every realm in some form or another and have the most variants in the game.
Second to the manta are the jellyfish, that can range from the smallest to the largest variants and make some appearances in the realms.

The only other creature that have a similar limited appearance as the birds, would be the koi fish and butterflies in the game. Which by comparison also act as ambient creatures.

I do not intend to criticize the game for its choice in showcasing the mantas more than other creatures.
Though am posing a question as to why would the game limit itself in this manner?

[rigid mural]

Oh yeah, it's the 5th Flight quest all over again

[nimble ingot]

I said it before, though will say it again.
Season of Flight could have had the most fantastic reception if it held on to the bird theme it was building up throughout the season.
The twitter art, the bird themed spirits, the birds as fragments, and so on.
While Ash has explained that there was a misunderstanding and engaged with the chat about it (that I do accept).
It still leaves a bitter taste when the final quest fell flat.

The Final quest boiled down to a greater manta acting frantically at dark plants growing on floating dark boulders. The skykid re-enacting the 'Rescue the manta from the dark plant' quest while freeing a few errand birds in the mix, and the grand finale is the greater manta smashing in the the boulders and the Sanctuary cast make a brief and hastly appearance in the final cutscene.

The season has still left a great impression.
Though some players that were looking forward to seeing the elder bird , would had to settle for the small birds and the greater manta instead.

[rigid mural]

Watch out, they said on a stream that they look at fanart for inspiration. If we draw it as a pride float, maybe it will return for Days of Rainbow

[nimble ingot]

I dearly hope so.
More so in hopes the elder bird stays in the game for players to enjoy.

[rigid mural]

I for one would be ectasic. We got elder fish (), elder jellyfish (orbit), elder manta (sanct) and elder krill (abyss), all we need is elder bird now :]

[distant turtle]

That’s a recurring theme of the game, loss and distance. Maybe it’s just me but I liked that we were expecting that bird and it never showed up.

It gave me a sense of emptiness.

But, in a bittersweet way.

[nimble ingot]

hmmm...
You have a point there.

Any character or creature of a higher form such as an elder creature, or an elder for that matter, have always been shown to be distant, or harder to reach for skykids.
Suppose the King and Megabird are the greatest/highest form of creature/being, it would make sense for them to be the so obscure when following this logic.

[distant turtle]

Maybe there is a bit of the theme of longing for missing parental attention behind some of the story elements in Sky. I think a lot of people can relate to that on a visceral level from their early childhood. 🙂

The sky kids are kind of orphaned.

I figure those Flight spirits are echoes of the ancient time when the Kingdom was lively. Maybe the bird was around, then, like how Prairie Elder was around for the Flight guide to be their pupil.

[nimble ingot]

Skykids, but no parents in sight. Any parental figure in the game is either coming from the spirits, or the elders; yet they do not have any claim to act as such.

It is reminiscent to the story of Neverland.
While there are adults, the lost kids do not have parents taking care of them (originally called lost boys, but adapting the name to mitigate the gender as lost girls was a thing in later adaptions of the story).
While in some retellings, there were times where the Indians helped the lost kids.

Comparing Neverland to Sky, both places have a connection with children, magic and the stars. Both value a concept that is not obvious at a passing glance. For Sky, it is the Light (hope). For Neverland, it is childhood (happiness).
While Neverland has a young boy that never grows up, fly and can crow called Peter Pan. In Sky, it is the skykids that never grow up, can fly, and call out with the light within them. The difference is just Peter relies on happy thoughts and pixy dust (note that Peter Pan was given pixie dust as an infant and grew up with fairies, which in turn granted him the ability to fly indefinitely and independent of pixie dust. While the lost kids have to rely on pixie dust to fly, otherwise they are flightless). While in Sky, it light, as long as a skykid has enough of it, yet they have to rely on a source of light (namely a flame, or another skykid) to gain enough light to fly.
Essentially, a Skykid would be like the lost kids and Peter Pan combined.

[nimble ingot]

Each realm ties into a time period in Sky, or they each have a theme that represents a stage in the civilisation.
From primitive living, to a thriving society, to a struggling kingdom, to a fallen society and then the ending.

[distant turtle]

I like Season of Flight because I think they probably knew what was going wrong and were conservationists.

The Peter Pan comparison is brilliant.

[open bridge]

Was just wondering about this recently. Where are our parents? 🤔

[tranquil harbor]

We may not have parents in the traditional sense. They might be megabird. Could be baby elders and their parents are wherever elders actually live when they're not busy falling down onto a kingdom full of aliens. Or skids are reformed stars and thus literally never had parents.

The true answer is that our parents are every adult spirit willing to look in our direction, weather they formally agreed or not.

[nimble ingot]

On the one hand I dearly hope that TGC considers a season showcasing this, similarly to how it did with the Little Prince.
On the other hand, it would be a very disheartening process if a large corporation such as Disney decides to capitalise on it.
The company may have introduced magic and wonder to children, it has done so at the cost of sucking the life from the story itself through copyright and branding. Presenting anything Disney to the public, would mean risking in paying royalties to Disney, and the story (which is bought out by Disney).

I am just glad that through artistic freedom, parts of sky can subtly capture the feeling, and gently bring across the point.
One can recognise it in the skykids, in the Sanctuary island, in the way the ancestors lived and how they help the skykids, in the way that death is relentless (like how adulthood is relentless as represented by the pirates), how the skykids ascend to the sky like Peter Pan does when going to Neverland, and the core concept of Hope and Hapiness being similar.

Thanks to the season of the Little Prince, it has opened a door for theorists wanted to present and can now include with more certainty.
Childhood tales such as Alice in Wonderland, the guardians of childhood (a book that inspired the film, Rise of the Guardians) and similar stories can be used to enrich the fandom.
Canonically, most of it is very far stretched. Though at the least, it can help to flavour any fanfics around the game.

[outer hare]

bobbit-

[clear fractal]

Sky kid gets snatched by worm hiding under the ocean floor when

[outer hare]

when fruitzie appears-

[rigid mural]

Sorry for the lateness, but I'd rather agree to disagree on that one. Simply because the elder bird isn't something we grew close to then lost, but something only a few of us saw in passing then never again.

It makes sense for the spirits because we can all relive them and have a sense of familiarity, but not the elder bird. You only get the recounting of Rhythm vets and older players.

[slender laurel]

Vela I am asking for a doodle of baby lightseekers pls draw this…

It’s been in my head but I can’t draw at all…
Just like crab call riding a crab almost as big as her

[rigid mural]

As for Disney, most of the stories they were famous for (snow white, sleeping beauty, bambi, etc) aren't actually theirs as much as they want you to believe it. I think that's due to them being aimed at very young children, but the stories themselves aren't as deep as much as they are old and used to show how some tropes evolved.

Though it's true TGC would probably not stand a chance should that giant decide to sue them if they step too close. Disney is evil.

[uncut pond]

You should learn how to draw, it's fun

[slender laurel]

I’ve tried
Multiple times
I can only draw Minecraft cause it’s cubes
So pls vela, draw this

[uncut pond]

Oh hey, Disney might lose a lot of it's properties including Mickey Mouse himself soon, I mean... The US senators are doing it purely because Disney had something to say about the Don't Say Gay bill, but at least they got the correct result despite doing the wrong equation ig...

[rigid mural]

I usually doodle to illustrate theories or to be silly aha, I'm also not on my computer at the moment.
Take this though, it's a past doodle I saved !

[nimble ingot]

Try drawing in circles, even if it does not look like your best. Know that you can always improve on something if you keep trying.
It is practice that lets one master a skill, not just talent. Talent will only get you so far, but not replace hard work.

Hope this helps.

[slender laurel]

I’ve already stolen this… but thx still
By stole I mean saved to my phone to look at when I feel like needing lightseekers

[uncut pond]

Hey, you can draw cool stuff using squares as a base!

I'd show you an example, but it's not Sky-related so I'm not sure it's relevant enough to the convo to share

But all you need to know is, it doesn't matter what shape you use as long as you learn how to use it (I mean the shape can matter sometimes but if you just draw silly stuff then don't worry about that much)

[rigid mural]

Fun fact, thatskyshop had a petal cape (crab whisperer's) pin and the poem was this
They hold crab gently like hamburger.

[uncut pond]

[clear fractal]

This only enforces my desire to have small, personal homes/huts you can put stuff in. Housepet crabs...

[slender laurel]

Cause they broke their crabs shell rideing it when they were young so now they are really worried

Crab walk on the other hand would still ride a crab no matter what… it is their dream to find a crab big enough to live on with their friends…
I drew (very, very badly) this idea of crab walk living on a crab and am wondering where I should put it

[clear fractal]

People wanted an elder bird but I'm honestly wondering if abyss introducing swimming mechanics and such will eventually let us witness some sort of King Crab or an Elder Jellyfish.

[rigid mural]

There are gigantic jellyfish in Eden, they got a crown and all ! You see them on the way to Orbit, inside the castle.

[nimble ingot]

Royal Jellyfish

[slender laurel]

Wooly jellyfish

[slender laurel]

Im still wondering where to put the horrible drawing

[clear fractal]

That is true, but I'm not sure whether those are considered Elders or not. Crowns could mean they're high up there, though. Like a step under Elder.

[nimble ingot]

Sky logic dictates that creatures that are larger and more detailed than their smaller counterparts are either a greater or elder variant.

So these larger jellies can be considered to be elders, unless the devs state otherwise, or an even larger variant is found.

[clear fractal]

I'm honestly willing to wait and see if there are even bigger jellyfish. I wouldn't put it past the devs to come out of left field with escalation considering leviathan exists now.

[nimble ingot]

So far, there are varying sizes of creatures ranging from smallest to largest (elder), that I would sort into 4 categories.

1. Being the smallest (like the jellies in the elevator and caves in Day)
2. Are the small jellies that are just big enough to lift skykids.
3. Being the larger jellies found in Day and Forest. (Type 2 and 3 tend to be found together though still have varying sizes to distinguish them)
4. Being the largest and has a crown detail. These are exclusive to the ascension section of Eden.

I could be wrong with types 2 and 3, possibly being the same kind (making the elder a 3rd type instead of 4th. Though the sizes may still make the difference)

[rigid mural]

Jellyfish Whisperer needs to infodump at us about their special interest !

[slender laurel]

What do jelly’s eat???

I know krill eat wl the leviathan eats skykids crabs eat feet skykids eat candles ancestors eat crabs and whales eat clouds and mantas suck the light out of you when you ride them (the purple tendril between you two)
But what do jelly’s eat

[tranquil harbor]

Mantas don't suck light out of us. We get light when we ride them. It's more like we suck light from the mantas (though tbh I think the tendril thing when riding mantas is more like a magic leash/connection)

[slender laurel]

Then why do mantas like kidnapping you so much????? How do you explain that???? (Jk)

[tranquil harbor]

they just want to help

[slender laurel]

Changing my idea quick… mantas eat clouds and for the sanctuary mantas we are the only source of that… think pollinators

[frigid tinsel]

Maybe how skykids mutually charge each other, we also mutually charge with mantas

[slender laurel]

Also my theory on the desertification of isle, logically organized:

Birds need grass to make their nests, the isle elders summons massive amounts of birds for EACH skykid, so the birds stole all the grass for their nests.

[tranquil harbor]

Isle Elder accidentally ruins isle trying to help a bunch of babies, more at 11

[slender laurel]

At 11: breaking news the largest power diamond ever made is cracking, stay tuned for more. Our story on isle has been delayed, more at 3

At 3: camera shows petrified news broadcasters

And so we never know more about isle elder destroying his home for some moths

Theory on forest rain:
The elder can summon Mjölnir. Whoever can summon and weld Miölnir gets Thors powers. Thor controls storms. Rain is a storm.

[slender laurel]

See the connections

(This is a joke theory)

[slender laurel]

Wow I think I came right as the chat died

[pastel brook]

Hey @slender laurel, did you get enough sneep snorp today?

[slender laurel]

Sleep eternal @pastel brook
DIE!!!!!!!!

On this note… what can sleep in sky besides skykids

[nimble ingot]

The Day Elder

▶️ 🛏️

[slender laurel]

Ok thx

Is there any lore about butterfly’s and jelly’s making the same noise in ascension or is that just gameplay

[nimble ingot]

oh, and ancestors too (exhausted Dock Worer)

[nimble ingot]

They make different sounds to my recollection.
The butterflies tend to chatter or giggle, and even the smallest of jellyfish had a sound that is different to the butterflies.

[slender laurel]

When you hit them in ascension while flying/sliding

Also you can see darkness flying around in the dark room where you hug the little guy… what is the lore behind this

[slender laurel]

And crabs right???

[nimble ingot]

The dark toom is metaphirically the lowest point in the story.
Where the darkness dokinates the scene and your player character seeks out the light, which in turn accepts the darkened half of a skykid and ascends.

The sound track in this room's file name is said to be called King Hug.
Which interestingly ties into the concept art including the King and Death.

[nimble ingot]

I suppose so, sjnce they can bury themselves and seemingly can stay like that for a while.

[frigid tinsel]

the whole deal with limbo (the dark room) is very unclear and up for debate.

I've been assuming that the dark room is one's view when completely engrossed yet conscious in darkness.

[slender laurel]

What season was happening on March 6, 2020??? I need answers quick!!!

[raw crypt]

Rhythm !

[slender laurel]

Nooooooooooo!!!!!!!

Apparently that was my moth season but I stopped at forest and didn’t play again until tlp

Crying in a corner now
Need hugs

[nimble ingot]

Just curious, what made you stop?

[slender laurel]

My sister was trying to get through forest and failed so she gave it to me and I tried and didn’t know any controls so failed so since we couldn’t get past she gave the account to me… I tried again around sanctuary but was clueless on what to do still

So basically I was a

So from a rhythm veteran (kinda) I think ults should come back, lol

And I wholeheartedly support a rhythm guide petting zoo

[slender laurel]

Thanks for the hugs

[uncut pond]

This. This right here. This is what TGC needs to add to the game.

[frigid tinsel]

I don't think we should raid a channel. brigading it generally looked down upon online

[keen shore]

a little fed up with the jokes we make here being used by others for borderline harassment I will not lie. I know saying that was a joke but it was a really uncomfortable one

[slender laurel]

Sorry didn’t know I was rude
I deleted it

[frigid tinsel]

overreacting much

[slender laurel]

No I just don’t use discord except for here imma leave this channel now

Only going to use discord of updates and bug reports

[rigid mural]

wooly manta

[rigid mural]

Honestly, it seems like the dark room is where you go when the darkness engulfs you, be it because you lost all your light (pity room, limbo) or because you got litterally swallowed by a dark creature (Abyss 5th quest) to me

[frigid tinsel]

yea, the Abyss 5th quest was what changed my mind about the dark room because we didn't die during the quest. in fact, you can recharge off of Cannoneer, even if they're inert, and we still retain our own light (flame) and cosmetics, unlike dying and losing our light entirely. we still have light. our surroundings are just completely and utterly dark.

wonder if the dark room is obscuring the reality of our surroundings. what does the insides of the leviathan look like

[rigid mural]

I like to think Cannoneer is the one that "died" overcome by darkness, but we somehow got sucked in with them by proximity.

[inner cloud]

Yeah, when we relived the memories we changed them and saved the Cannoneer - at least that’s how i see it

[white junco]

so then the final cutscene is cannoneer and the rest of the abyss spirits finally getting closure? thus allowing them to ascend?

[rigid mural]

It could be ! I like to see it as us reuniting Cannoneer with their crew in spirit (litterally) when in the past, the crew never got to know what happened to them.

[white junco]

yeah! that too! i was mainly trying to clarify that while we are intervening and saving cannoneer from what originally killed them, I don’t think we changed anyones memories of what originally happened, as i’ve seen some folks suggest in the past

i’m not a big fan of “the only way for these spirits to reach the stars and be at peace is to erase their memories of a past event” and the implications that has

[frigid tinsel]

yea I'm very against the whole deception involved with the erasing memories concept too. it feels very antithetical to what Sky is. also with how important memories seem to be in Sky with the spirit memories, at most we could be helping the spirits remember but not change their memories.

experiences shape us, our memories are so integral to who we are. losing memories can make you forget who you are as a person. to deliberately change someone's memories is a violation upon their self. even if they ascend, the ends don't justify the means.

[rigid mural]

I believe in the sanctity of memories in Sky as well.

[frigid tinsel]

been thinking that meandering spirits may shed light or lose light to darkness since they're pure beings of light without a living body to protect their inner light. the light they shed could be encoded with their memories, so as they lose light, they begin to forget themselves.

perhaps the spirit memories we "relive" are really recollecting that light, their memories encoded in said light. we gather it all back to the spirits' petrified forms thus not only using our flame to revive them but to piece their soul back together

[white junco]

ooo. I’ve had similar thoughts about us piecing together the spirits through their memories

[rigid mural]

Oh oh ! You know how the dark corpses are referred to as husks ? What if whatever killed the ancestors scattered their light, and... what we're doing is like gathering someone's winged light after they got krilled.

Basically we go to the biggest chunk of light, and it uses a memory of the spirit like footsteps leading us to the husk.

[trim yoke]

And y'all would be muted-

[frigid tinsel]

hence why I said it was a bad idea

[white junco]

i’ve always thought of it like taping together a torn up photograph. you’re never going to get it to go back to how it was before, but you can at least put things back together enough to get a pretty good idea of what the original image was

[trim yoke]

Someone who's actually smart in chat

[keen shore]

I agree with this especially because. if spirits couldn’t ascend because of trauma a good half of the base game spirits or more would jsut be stuck in limbo or something

[rigid mural]

YES !!! YES !!! I LIKE THE WAY YOU ILLUSTRATE IT !!! IT WILL NEVER BE THE SAME BUT YOU CAN SILL MEND IT ENOUGH TO BE RECOGNISABLE

[keen shore]

Dude, we all told them to stop. No need to be rude to us and call us dumb as a whole, especially since we all agreed with Alasdair in the first place.

[rigid mural]

I like to think memories varying reflect something about death, perhaps the ones with memories scattered all over (like Leaping Dancer and Twirling Champion) felt the strongest shock, while the carry memories may have survived a bit but ultimately still perished (see the enchantment spirits).

[keen shore]

I relate to the spirits that have memory issues so much, Brain fog gang …

and with what you mentioned vela, it could be either that or just how much darkness affected the spirits after death. like the carry quests have less light and need to be constantly recharged or they’ll fade out hence why they stick closer to you or something

[frigid tinsel]

I still stand by that the spirit memories we relive depends on their location. maybe spirits who are already low on light wander around places they know they been trying to remember what they did there

[trim yoke]

Semi saying they're not smart? Damn, maybe get your head in them lore books? 📖 /t
Heheheh

[frigid tinsel]

mate shut up

[rigid mural]

YEAH
YEAH
I LIKE YOUR IDEA BETTER ACTUALLY
carry spirits need our light to sustain themselves long enough to relive the memory

[trim yoke]

I'm sorry:(

[frigid tinsel]

we're already past that incident and you're just being insulting. please stop

[white junco]

man… and the enchantment spirits are all carry spirits right?

[rigid mural]

YEAH

[nimble ingot]

crab walker is a fragment memory, though yes muralist, scarecrow and herbalist are carry memories.

[keen shore]

the warring instincts of “I hate carry spirits and they should be removed from the game they’re so annoying to relive” and “I feel bad for saying that because they just need extra help” and both options are correct

[white junco]

bearhug hermit

[rigid mural]

just imagine you're holding their hand !

[frigid tinsel]

parts of spirit memories are called "lost lights"

[raw crypt]

Fact I didn’t notice right away, all lightseekers except for twirl are carry spirits also

[white junco]

oh shoot

[rigid mural]

NAUR

[keen shore]

twirl used everyone else like anti darkness meat shields

[rigid mural]

my arms aren't big enough to hold them all !!! thats so unfair !!! take all my light
they were seeking light until they couldnt,,,

[white junco]

WRONG twirl carried them in their big strong arms they did their best

[frigid tinsel]

at some point they turned from seeking light to bring to others to seeking light to save themselves

[keen shore]

piggyback lightseekers memory, especially with the darkness growing out of rejecting voyager, made me think they were gathering light to try and heal them and reverse the corruption but it wasn’t enough

[rigid mural]

i would go through hell and back for them (technically i already did since i went to eden), spade thank you for that one time we waxed poetic about them in Slumbering Shipwright's house.

[white junco]

always happy to think thoughts

[white junco]

VOYAGER my friend voyager

[static meteor]

omg...

[white junco]

the only dark plants in isle show up with voyager…

[frigid tinsel]

Crab Whisperer's memories show them treading through a lot of polluted water. if they as a spirit wandered around the crab fields trying to recall who they were, chasing after their own shedding light, no wonder they petrified so soon after

[keen shore]

alternatively that happened while they were alive and is the reason they are like that. kinda like the joker

[frigid tinsel]

I'm thinking that fading spirits were following their own footsteps trying to recall what they did in a certain place, aware that they were there before but not sure why.

Crab Whisperer in the crab fields vaguely aware they were looking to help people but finding nobody.
(Vela blaming you for CW thouhgts)

[keen shore]

I feel like it definitely varied from spirit to spirit. Like playfight herbalist’s probably happened while they were still alive, but I could definitely see several spirits doing what you mentioned and trying to wander around out of shock and confusion and that’s their spirit memory. [although, it could have also been while they were still alive and losing memories like that is a symptom of darkness corruption, either option goes]

[white junco]

candlemaker’s old memory sequence…

lost

[frigid tinsel]

so the spirit memories are what they were doing while alive. for where their spirits petrified, as spirits, they were wandering around places they were alive before petrifying

[keen shore]

OH I GET IT. I misunderstood sorry, that makes sense. Like they remembered they had been somewhere, so they tried to return there to remember more about themselves, but petrified first?

[frigid tinsel]

they get a feeling of deja vu – "I've been here before, this place seems familiar. why?" and they're wandering around trying to recall where that feeling of familiarity came from. but cos they have lost so much of their own light already (the "lost lights"), they're vulnerable to darkness and petrification

[nimble ingot]

True.
Rejecting voyager's tunnel has dark plants that go under the temple.
Then there is the piggyback lightseeker's memory where the rejecting voyager makes another appearance with dark plants growing on thier fragment at the very end.
Poor fella can't take a break.

[white junco]

probably were the last of the base isle spirits to die

[rigid mural]

i deflect the blame onto you, shouldnt have fed it

[rigid mural]

sassy drifter :(

[white junco]

they just wander around :(

[frigid tinsel]

they be drifting

[sharp lichen]

Second option for me. The carry spirits make it more memorable and difficult

[white junco]

sassy drifter kind of fits in with the base game isle spirits? especially if you look at them before they revamped candlemaker and stargazer. just sort of wandering through the desert. and their name fits the isle spirit naming conventions (voyager, pilgrim, migrant, drifter)

[white junco]

vela i’m going to bite you

[keen shore]

isn’t one of sassy drifters ts hints that they just get lost a lot. I like to think that’s what happened in their memory and were just like How did I get here I only took one wrong turn

[white junco]

bestie is just sitting in the middle of the desert

[keen shore]

finallu an image accurately encapsulting the feeling of loss they must have felt after their memories faded

[frigid tinsel]

thinking about how Ceasing Commodore is atop that tower. they're walking around the shores of Treasure Reef, thinking someone should be with them, "maybe I should go look for them." they stumble across the tower. "maybe they're up there." they're climbing it, forgetting why they were climbing it, but keep climbing. they make it to the top but have exhausted all their strength. they look over the emptiness of the Treasure Reef and kneel over.

[rigid mural]

I like to think we helped them finally remember and thats why the memory changed !

[white junco]

glad they got their memories back. sucks that they have to deal with knowing what they lost but that might still be better than aimlessly wandering

[keen shore]

:( :( :( :( :(
🧠 🤛

[rigid mural]

alasdair i am going to think about this forever, it reminds me of that video (cw monocellular animal death) ||where a blepharisma cell is dissolving while still moving around, existential dread fuel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bj6SqgT4SQ||, falling apart and picking themselves back up, denial the end is coming and still grasping onto their last strands of existence...

[trim yoke]

Sorry only just seen this now, I wasn't trying to be insulting in any way, Aether was on call and even said "maybe just throw a tone tag on there because sometimes issues rise up if things are misunderstood". I was teasing and trying to have a laugh but y'all didn't realise and misunderstood so again, I'm sorry and I had no intent to upset anyone :/

[rigid mural]

silver lining, i'm aware it's a really sad topic

[frigid tinsel]

Sad vibes in lorechat today

[keen shore]

even our happy conversations are undercut by sadness :(

[white junco]

sky is just like that

[keen shore]

YEAH

[rigid mural]

we're constantly mourning a civilisation we never got to know, of course melancholia will be just around the corner
i think the bittersweetness is delectable here, though. makes you appreciate what we got irl

[frigid tinsel]

In a way, they’re lucky they got petrified since darkness preserves the light it captures. It maintains their form even if they lost a lot of light in the process. Then ancestors do got us to burn away the darkness and piece them back together r

[sharp lichen]

Angst and fluff are in perfect balance. I love to see it

[nimble ingot]

Sky canon lore is like an onion.
It has layers and the more you cut into them, the more you want to cry.

[white junco]

for the vibes

[hushed steeple]

Remembering my first Eden experience in detail
Brb, sobbing

[crimson ridge]

hi sorry to intrude but im still so clueless about the whole sky lore, i heard that each realm is talking about the different stages of life but i feel like it is something deeper?

[sharp lichen]

It is, actually. There’s also theories about it reflecting on the time of day or the progress of civilization. And don’t be afraid to ask on more Sky lore questions?

[rigid mural]

:]

[crimson ridge]

ohh then how does the vault of knowledge potray the post apocalypse? cause all i know is that they show each realms' constellations

[rigid mural]

It's probably because it is relatively closed off from the rest of the world since it's a... vault. Kind of like a bunker !

[sharp lichen]

There’s also the idea that each realm represents a different era of technological progress. So, Vault would be the “modern” era.

[crimson ridge]

ohhhhh thanks for helping me understand!

[frigid tinsel]

We also have the realms representing stages of life

[south badger]

midlife crisis

[crimson ridge]

V . V

[outer hare]

Does anybody have thoughts about the fact that a unique song plays only during butterfly emote's memory?

[sharp lichen]

Lots of spirits do have unique songs, but they’re normally reserved for seasonal spirits

[frigid tinsel]

I think Butterfly Catcher has a unique song is cos that’s one of it not the first spirit memories you find in Prairie which is a lively tone shift from the Isle

Some other Prairie spirits have unique songs during their memories. I want to say it’s the one that’s behind the two-player door, not Slumbering Shipwright

[frigid tinsel]

I just realized what this is screw it

[keen shore]

I was considering tagging you for bullying purposes but I thought you had already realized so I’d dint,

[frigid tinsel]

it had been bugging me for two hours and I couldn't understand why

[rigid mural]

plagued by loss

[formal skiff]

What is it?

[frigid tinsel]

loss

[outer hare]

loss-

[frigid tinsel]

should be spoilered, holy chriss

[formal skiff]

Oh man… that’s.. really sad

[rigid mural]

are you /srs or /j

[frigid tinsel]

joking but just, ugh, why is this the meme that plagues me /lh
having flashbacks to loss in my corrupted minecraft world.

[rigid mural]

your reactions are just the best

| |     | _```

[rigid mural]

i just made the closest thing to an evil cackle i ever did

[rigid mural]

Do you think the reason why spirits cant tell us much about lore is because they forgot
due to soul trauma but also time

spirits getting excited when skykids figure something out

[frigid tinsel]

skykid: I just figured this thing out! isn't that right?
spirits: yea, yea, that's right, good job :)
spirits, internally: yes! that's what that's for

[rigid mural]

Is there ever an instance where spirits seem to talk to us directly ? Maybe there's a language barrier as well; all the cutscenes I remember have the spirits emote a whole bunch.

[white junco]

me asking a ghost who can’t even remember their own name how the kingdoms currency worked

[white junco]

they never speak directly to us, closest we get is watching the sotlp spirits talk to the prince

[rigid mural]

smh french people

[white junco]

since we see their actual words, does this mean skykids can understand French

[frigid tinsel]

I like to think the spirits speak to us, even walking with us to the Elder temples rather than zooming away as a spirit sparkle. maybe some ramble on about anything and some don't say much, just looking around or at the skykids who saved them in awe.

[rigid mural]

assert dominance, stare at them in the eyes

I think the sparkle flying away is canon, simply because some areas would not allow someone flightless to proceed fast enough. But the spirits likely have the ability to come back down anywhere (see DoB 2022), it's just that their grave is where you can call for them.

[frigid tinsel]

you have a point. I just wonder how the spirits know to dematerialize and whisk themselves away to the Elder temples immediately after being revived

[sharp lichen]

[frigid tinsel]

Baud has been defied

[spark cairn]

An interesting thing to be greeted to, but I shouldn't be surprised

Me and a friend were messing around in orbit, when they said the image in the orbit looked like golden wasteland. Does anyone else see it?

[white junco]

it probably just happens. not sure how exactly but look at spirits like fainting warrior. they’re still lying on the ground when they become an orb and fly up to the temple (phrasing this poorly but it should be understandable)

[sharp lichen]

It looks like the Isle portal, but it could just be a generic one.

[spark cairn]

Why would it show a realm if we're going to home space?

[white junco]

it’s the same portal shape as the home portal at the end of vault and the office portal

[spark cairn]

It looks like a flipped isle portal

[keen shore]

this is a clever reference to how French people irl have telepathic communication

[keen shore]

I like to think they turn into a sparkle and just follow us around out of curiosity and to stay recharged, kinda like how we follow people in Eden . sometimes they touch down and turn into full spirit mode to lead us places (like maybe candlemaker led us to the isle temple that would be cute)

[hushed steeple]

Sky kids talked to spirits before. And it had to be word for word.

Forgetfull storyteller, anyone?

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[sharp lichen]

LOOK FAM: You’re old and aging. Get a life, or get your life removed.

[foggy lotus]

look fam: ur still wearing floaties

[outer hare]

Are we a fam? Questions going in a downward spiral-

[sharp lichen]

Absolutely famless

[outer hare]

can you be famfulled-

[foggy lotus]

what does it mean to fam

[outer hare]

is anybody famming?

[outer hare]

Ian is lucky-

[spark cairn]

How deep is the assembly pond thing anyway?

[outer hare]

like- one chibi mask....

[keen shore]

infinitely deep

[outer hare]

....and 6 elders piggybacking into a tower-

[frigid tinsel]

I'm honestly amazed you recognized that's the Assembly moat in my meme

[spark cairn]

Let's just say me and that moat have some history...

[sharp lichen]

Assembly has a moat now??

[frigid tinsel]

there was always a moat/stream around the Treehouse

[sharp lichen]

Imagine saying your treehouse has a moat

[foggy lotus]

That would be so cool tho

[keen shore]

there’s a secret eighth assmenly spirit and they’re trapped at the bottom of the moat

[sharp lichen]

There’s a 9th one too. The winged light in the basement of the treehouse was banished there by the Assembly Guide for tax fraud

[spark cairn]

Assembly guide to Flight Guide: you may have cool tunnels that lead everywhere, but I have a giant moat!
Flight, thinking it's a little pond: Uh huh, sure.

[keen shore]

if you dive deep enough it leads all the way to the bottom of treasure reef

[spark cairn]

slaps the moat this bad boy could take you to Narnia!

[sharp lichen]

Leviathan has a trade deal with the Assembly folks that prevents it from destroying the Treehouse

[frigid tinsel]

that's where the Assembly kids sent their void sacrifices

[clear fractal]

Is that actually what the moat in assembly is like? Looks like it's about to take you to an upside down version of the Sky world.

[formal skiff]

Why does it not surprise me that the feral treehouse kids have a portal into the void

[sharp lichen]

What other secrets will they have

[foggy lotus]

tax evasion

[tranquil harbor]

Forest is full of tax evaders

[keen shore]

if people in Sky want to evade taxes they would go to the wind paths, I feel like,

[tranquil harbor]

wind paths is in forest. It still checks out

[foggy lotus]

it’s good if you need to change hiding places fast

[uncut pond]

Imagine you go through the moat and suddenly you hear the Minecraft Nether portal noises

[frigid tinsel]

Wind Paths is Prairie Elder's tax evasion scheme

[outer hare]

sounds like a kids sandcastle description-

bobbit-

[spark cairn]

I mean... looks at the basement I wouldn't be surprised...

[trim yoke]

Unsure if it's exactly lore related, but I noticed something doing eden last night with my partner;

The thurther you progress into eden, up until you extinguish into stone, the power diamond in eden ♦️ becomes more and more red.. up until towards the final hill, where the diamond seems to become lighter and then initially glows when you die

• just something for lore chat to think about ^^

[tranquil harbor]

the diamond gets bigger and bigger the more you approach, and it seems like it's actually darker at the bottom. Thus, it'd cause that 'redder' effect as the lighter top part is slowly hidden from you because of the diamond shape.
As for glowing brightly when you die... I have something of a theory about the skids giving the diamond light. Not like, on purpose, but rather, they give off energy when they break free, and the diamond absorbs it. We don't know how long we're actually in limbo. It's possible the other kids are breaking free as we're dying.

[trim yoke]

Also about the ♦️ it also gets progressively louder with its hum when you get closer to it. Maybe due to its energy density?

[tranquil harbor]

I mean, even irl, the closer you get to the source of a noise, the louder it gets. I think the hum volume is just a natural thing, rather than a special eden crystal thing

[trim yoke]

Probably

Random thought, but does everyone remember the screech we hear when we enter PNR and forced into the cutscene? Maybe that's the sound of those in limbo being released? Like each time someone entered, a wave of people were released... Who knows?

[ashen acorn]

I have a question, what is the diamond in eden? Why is it there and what is it doing.

[tranquil harbor]

We don't know. We theorize it was supposed to be some kind of power source.

[trim yoke]

I think it's believed to be something related to the eden king, some believe it's a part of the king left behind, a power diamond he poured his lifesourse into... We'll only know once we physically get an eden related season or one that relates around eden and it's lore

[mighty berry]

i just opened this channel after watching butter's assembling a disaster and this is the first thing that i see-

[glossy spade]

1

[noble hill]

I was thinking about the Sky's circle of life. Like, the diamond is transporting energy all around the world, and we NEED to go to Eden to continue it's work. Diamond bonds final location (I mean, that one astral thing we flight throught at the end of Eden) with common Sky world, and when we give light to the children in the rockfall, we actually give it to the crystal, and this kind of heart pumps and cleanses the accumulated energy. That's why we are given the opportunity by the rebirth to collect the light in the form of Eden candles from those children to whom we have given it.

[trim yoke]

That wouldn't work too well though.... We see that the statues are physical beings who fly with us into orbit, so the whole energy transport that way would seen off... It think it has something to do with the glass crystal rain that causes energy transfer that way... Reason why the diamond goes dark in the early stages as it's not recieving much energy, and why it goes brighter and more towards white light the closer we get to it and why it glows strongly when we die.

Images in stages:

1. entry, bright light and little to no darkness - energy from the fallen light
2. little to no damage from shard rain, low energy, crystal gets darker
3. same again but for a long period, crystal is almost depleted for energy
4. midway through shard rain, diamond is recieving high energy input - becoming brighter
5. close to death in heavy shard fall, close to the diamond - bright energy glow
6. death, bright glow of pure life force energy as we are sent to limbo (blackrooms)

[noble hill]

So many questions and this is awesome that we have a lot to think about and theorise

[nimble ingot]

Looking at the cutscene for the Little Prince in Eden (spoiler for those who have not done the season yet)
The prince is shivering, then goes into the line of sight of the crystal, as the little prince reaches out for it, he turns into a statue. Just like a skykid would.
I have said this before while the season was active, and will clarify to prevent confusion.
The Little Prince in Sky would behave like a skykid because when coding in the npc, I can imagine it would be much easier to give the Little Prince a skykid's code when it comes to animations and interactions, since the skykid can do all of the things the Little Prince would have done regardless.
Just because it can be coded like that, it does not mean that the Little Prince is a skykid. He just acts like one, since the skykids act like a child would, which is what the Little Prince is, a child.

In any case, in Eden, creatures exposed to the light of the giant crystal seems to turn into stone, unless they have winged light to protect them. Since the Little Prince did not have any winged light in him (he likely would not be able to in any case), he was helpless.
Skykids on the other hand are protected from this effect as long as they have winged light in them. Once they lose all of their winged light, their souls are fragile and they die within seconds.

I tested this theory in and outside of Eden. What I found is the skykids can die outside of Eden, yet they do not leave behind a stone statue.
The animation still plays out, instead of a statue though, the body simply turns dark and crumbles (or shatters) into dust.
I suppose this happens because the game does not intend for skykids to die outside of Eden, yet skykids can die.
Ergo, a dead skykid would simply shatter, disappear and be taken back Home to reclaim a winged light to continue their Journey.

Finishing off the dead skykid theory I discussed.
I suppose the game is trying to tell us players that Skykids may be immortal in the sense of they can be reborn, yet they are still able to die when they lose all of their light. When it happens, the player is given a consequence for failing to keep their light, which in turn gives them another chance to try again.

Since the skykid in context with the lore is complicated on the basis that the skykid is a player's avatar. Including a skykid would mean one has to include some amount of meta knowledge, and/or some meta ignorance.
What I mean is any given player would have different levels of understanding, interpretations of the lore in the game.
By default, us players know a skykid is a child like creature with dark skin, white hair, glowing eyes and a light that they carry within them. We also know they can fly with a cape and learn new emotes from spirits.
Anything beyond that is up for debate, such as what would the skykid's personality be, what they would think of the characters they meet. How the spirits relate to a specific skykid, and even what a skykid exactly looks like since they can come in a variety of cosmetics.

As far as the lore is concerned about skykids, they are creatures sent down to help the spirits, collect light and keep the darkness at bay. Anything beyond that would probably be up for interpretation, or a matter of wait and find out. (WaFo)

[tranquil harbor]

'Oh, the lore is up to interpretation, huh? That sounds fun'
I was so naïve

[nimble ingot]

That is what the devs say.
"The lore of Sky is open to interpretation"

[trim yoke]

We will get lore drops here and there but usually they're open ended, not just s binary THIS IS FINAL, they allow us to figure stuff for ourselves for the most part

[nimble ingot]

(Looking for the quote)
Until I have one, so far, I see the mods have said it before

found it:
Ktjn has put very nicely here

"We want players to tap into their sense of discovery and leave things open to interpretation."
"Sky means different things to different people."
#beta-discussion message

[tranquil harbor]

They say that, but sky being open to interpretation means 'popular fanon' gains traction like nobody's business.

[nimble ingot]

I took it as they want fans of the game would welcome fanon and not bash players for having their own interpretation.

For example, genders.
Some players are fine with the idea that spirits (ancestors and elders) do not have genders; some players like to call certain characters as a gender they interpreted (ex.aunty forest elder), and so on.

[tranquil harbor]

I've never seen Forest Mama called 'Aunty Forest Elder' before and I may be giggling too hard. I don't know why it's funny

[real merlin]

(the exoplanet is called WASP-076B, the resemblence tho XD)

[ashen acorn]

Thank you all for answering my questions, special thx to Lore raider.

[sharp lichen]

Welcoming fanon is one thing, but rejecting canon is something else.

It’s been canonically confirmed that no creature that comes from the world of Sky has a gender. And people ignoring that can be seen as non-binary erasure,

[formal skiff]

Tysm Baud

[rigid mural]

Raider didn't say spirits have a gender, but that players call them as a gender they interpreted. They probably meant stuff like us calling the spirit in the sunny forest "grandma". /nm

[formal skiff]

[credit to Slink] this will never stop being funny and amazing to me

[nimble ingot]

correct.
"spirits (ancestors and elders) do not have genders" and, "players like to call certain characters as a gender they interpreted."

[rigid mural]

You might have meant "gendered terms" on that second sentence.

[formal skiff]

Still though, it’s pretty frustrating to have the devs go “everything in Sky is agender!” in an incredibly rare example of nonbinary people actually showing up in media, and to have a massive portion of the fanbase go “nah but what if we just assume genders based on western gender norms.” I’m not saying this is your fault Raider, more people’s lack of understanding as well as the fact that TGC doesn’t communicate the agenderness super frequently/well. Just that yeah… it’s tiring.

[nimble ingot]

gendered names such as King, grandma etc. yes.
The lore of Sky is open to interpretation, after all.

[sharp lichen]

That shouldn’t be a catch-all term to make you ignore the canon, though

[rigid mural]

The devs said the spirits aren't made with a gender in mind, and considering they're a company that has shareholders to please and censorship to evade, I'm not sure we will get lgbt rep more blatant than what we already got 😔

[formal skiff]

Using those terms doesn’t mean one thinks they have genders, though I understand what you mean /nm
For example I use both of those terms yet still use they/them for both beings

[rigid mural]

But Raider didn't say they think the spirits have genders ?

[formal skiff]

Ik, I’m not saying they did, my apologies. Just pointing out that because those terms are so widely used and accepted, even they aren’t really gendered in the context of Sky.

[rigid mural]

They explicitly said that what they are saying is what some players think...

[formal skiff]

I know, I’m not trying to attack them or look like I’m doing that, and I’m sorry if it comes across that way. That wasn’t directed towards them. It was in response to the subject of their comment but not saying that they thought that.

Edit: I see now looking back on the wording that the “you” was ambiguous and could’ve implied that. I’ve changed it for clarification.

[rigid mural]

Yeah my bad as well, we sent our messages at the same time and it looks like I'm answering you when I meant to add to my previous message.

[formal skiff]

Ok thank goodness, conflict is scary, I’m glad we’re on the same page

[rigid mural]

I didn't mean to sound agressive, more like trying to defuse the accusations. Sorry for scaring you !

[formal skiff]

Me neither; if I ever sound aggressive, a good assumption is that it was on accident, unless someone is being a huge jerk. I’m glad we could clear that up 💙

Also don’t worry, your messages don’t actually seem that way. There was just some bad luck in terms of when we both sent stuff.

[nimble ingot]

Some spirits have a character design that leans in one direction or the other.

Let use the Dawn elder as one example, with the long beard and stiff body posture, the character may appear as an old man to skykids.
Compared to another spirit such as the Valley twins, skykids can interpret that the twins could be either as male/female/neither.
This may be what TGC would refer to when presenting spirits that could be appear and be interpreted as male/female/neither.

That said, when a spirit is given a nickname such as something like "surfer dude," it might not necessarily mean that spirit has to be a 'dude,' if someone else would be happy to call them just "Surfer Spirit."

Having an open ended interpretation angle in the lore may make the experience more personal to the player enjoying the game. Even though it does make determining what is absolutely canon, difficult.
Partly because it may incite a bias perspective, or leave no clear cut answer when solely objective lore.

All in all, we can use some tid-bits that can be held as canon.
Though when it comes to chatting about lore in general, one may not need to be quick to discount a fanon lore as being a possible theory.

[formal skiff]

I think people assigning genders to spirits would bother me somewhat less if they didn’t almost always
a) only assign them as male or female, as if there aren’t any other genders
b) make these assignments based on shallow gender norms, as if (for example) only girls can wear skirts

Can confirm, as a non-girl, skirts and dresses are very awesome and everyone who likes to wear them them should do so

[nimble ingot]

Speaking from personal experience.
There are people that grew up in an environment where it once was only female and male genders.

Thankfully in this modern day and age, one can identify as another gender that is not restricted to just male/female.

[rigid mural]

Yesterday's convo about spirits regathering their memories as carry spirits made me think, especially Alasdair's example of Crab Whisperer vaguely remembering they were looking for people in the shipwreck.

I have a headcanon skykids are at least partially reincarnated ancestors. So perhaps... in regathering the kingdom's memories, we are also reminiscing our own.

[wary onyx]

P i n e a p p l e

[formal skiff]

Oh I like that… the way Sky kids learn about this literal ghost world isn’t by piecing together archeological evidence, it’s just… remembering. And helping the spirits remember. It makes me wonder if Sky kids have more than one motivation to find spirits: not just to help them ascend, but to understand more of this world.

[sharp lichen]

Welcome soma to fruitchat. I see you’re adding your own fruitiness?

[rigid mural]

A world they, despite their lack of experience in it, are a part of.

[nimble ingot]

I like that idea.
Skykid are, in a way, the legacy of the ancestors.
They learn from their past not only their mannerisms, their characteristics and appearance; they skykids also embody some of the values the spirits were working towards.
Where the ancestors fell short of success, the skykids came along and helped them cross that finish line.

[rigid mural]

The elders are meant to represent adults from the point of view of a child ! We might be the descendants of the ancestors...

We inherited a broken but wondrous world, full of things to explore and ponder at.

[formal skiff]

I imagine the spirits have been, in a way, dormant. As they stay petrified, they have no concept of time, no perception of their surroundings. A Sky kid comes along and gathers their shattered light and memories together… and they awaken…

To come back to yourself and remember the times leading up to your death must be horrible. To remember the pain of watching your world crumble and everyone you love be swallowed by darkness. Perhaps when you died you still held out some small fragment of hope that this wasn’t the end of your civilization. But you wake, and you know that it was. All of your friends and family are truly dead.

But then you look around, and you see a world inhabited by Sky kids. You see them run and laugh and fly like the children they are. You see their undeniable courage and resilience. You see that their love and their very presence is restoring a kind of life to your broken world. It will never look or feel the way it did. Neither will you. But you find some hope in the fact that the world you loved will not go to waste. It’ll nurture these new children even as they repair it.

And the elders. Their duty was to protect and lead their people. Their duty was to be the strong guiding force when no one else could. Their duty was to care for the ancestors of their realm.

They failed that duty. There is no one left to lead.

Until the Sky kids begin to fall from the sky. Suddenly they feel a sense of purpose that they haven’t felt in a long time. A sense of protectiveness. A love towards these children that are somehow so bursting with light that they can reawaken not only ancestors, but elders. Their existence no longer feels quite so futile… maybe there is still a place for them in this world after all.

[rigid mural]

I like to think Sky is about the old generation welcoming the new after so long rejecting change from their habits !

As for memories, interesting you mention that because the conversation yesterday had us think we might be helping spirits gather as much of their memories as possible before ascending. And I thought, maybe it's so they don't go back to the stars feeling as if they never really were in the kingdom, so they need us to reunite their memories with their husk so they get to take as much as they can with them. Hence why the tokens of their gratitude are keepsakes such as a copy of their cape or a similar hairstyle...

[formal skiff]

Yeah, I didn’t participate in that conversation but I did see it, which is why that reference was there.

[rigid mural]

They will never exactly be the same after so long spent petrified by darkness like this, but we can help them regain part of their integrity, enough to give them closure.

Being lost in darkness to be saved by their descendants... reminds me of adults that lose themselves in their job, and then look at children with a sense of nostalgia, loss and wonder.
(I think a lot about how the Forgotten Ark, a pearl stranded in the desert linked to mid-life crisis, may represent hobbies adults indulge in to feel safe in a harsh world).

[uncut pond]

Dear lord this one hits hard
I can relate so much to that... Not too long ago I had to go take my youngest brother from school to home because my mother couldn't, and when I arrived at the school I got hit with unspeakable amounts of nostalgia because... He's going to the same school I went to at his age

I feel so old

[rigid mural]

What do you mean by "changed by even the youthful innocence of children" ?

[sharp lichen]

I used to think that the seasonal spirits represent the time of age their realm represents (Assembly being teenagers, performance being young adults, etc.) but it falls apart quickly (Abyss, Prince, Prophecy, Sanctuary)

[white junco]

it depends on the season. season of belonging spirits, for example, were each the age that their realm represents. whereas seasons like enchantment and flight play off of realm themes to communicate their own unique meaning

[bronze arch]

What do you think each Season represents?

Season Order:
While it may not be important, the order could help finish your interpretation.

[sharp lichen]

As in, the symbols or the seasons itself?

[bronze arch]

The Seasons, but the symbols can also be important.

[unreal shuttle]

I think season are to see what live in sky used to be before Sky kid came it show the different live spirits have and what live used to be except season of little prince that is based on the book

[bronze arch]

This would make sense but if it's just memories, then how do they interact with the player?

[sharp lichen]

I’m not sure if the post-enchantment seasons so much represent something; instead I’d imagine they give an important insight into the Sky world itself.

[sharp lichen]

Spirits are in a weird limbo of dead/not dead. I theorize they can stay in our world for a little bit, but require light, otherwise they have to stay in orbit

[unreal shuttle]

Maybe spirits didn’t know they are dead so we take the place of the guide and do what they did, I mean the mission are the guide spirit memories and we are just doing what the guide do when they was alive

[sacred coral]

Agreed

[sick owl]

Idk it sounds little bit wrong as when we complete a seasonal quest it says "You fulfilled a wish of this ancestor spirit"
That means they wish to do it but they could not as the darkness rised
I can be wrong

[unreal shuttle]

Or maybe missions are the last wish season spirits have and we made it became real

[unreal shuttle]

True, I didn’t think about it

[keen shore]

I am going to be honest, this justification bothers me quite a bit — simply because I grew up in that environment too. The difference is that I am non-binary. I didn’t get a choice to just ignore other genders and stick with what had been forced onto me since birth. It’s more than a little annoying seeing others just… ignore the existence of non-binary people because they had never learned about them as a kid. It’s not as hard as they might think to shift their worldview to include us, and seeing them refuse to extend even that effort is nothing short of alienating, frustrating, and disappointing.

[unreal shuttle]

Oky so in that case missions are spirits guide last wish mix with their memories

[sick owl]

I might wanna add one thing
So how many total spirits we can relive in isle of dawn. So there will be 4 prophecy spirits then 4 more spirits from the first 4 season of sky then 3 base game spirits. Total 11 spirits.
But there were plenty more spirits living. When we relieve the memories of spirit from prophecy caves we see a mass amount of spirit. So where did they go? Did they not survive because they didn't have enough light to be a spirit?

[unreal shuttle]

But we see this spirits in other spirits memories, plus I think this spirits are normal spirits from the realms, or I’m wrong?

[sharp lichen]

That’s what I think- some of them (especially in Eden) were too consumed by darkness to live. I don’t think that the kingdom of Sky had only a few dozen people living in it

[sick owl]

I mean they are a memory of a spirit. We cannot relive them can we?

[bronze arch]

What's the difference between a normal Spirit and an Ancestor, though?
Abyssguide looks super young.

[unreal shuttle]

I think is like the mellow musician memories you see the piano Afro girl, you already relieve this spirits memories

[sharp lichen]

A Spirit is the semi-deceased version of the Ancestor that we have to relive.

In short, the Ancestors either got destroyed completely when the Eden Storm came, or became a spirit.

[night pecan]

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[unreal shuttle]

This question have been in my mind for a while, the difference between normal spirits and guide spirits, it’s because megabird have fav?

[sick owl]

I can't counter that.
But i think normal people had certain things that they left behind like hair, capes and stuff. Those people didn't have a specific expression or something that people can use to remember them.
See while i am typing this i feel stupid but i am gonna hit send anyways lol.

[bronze arch]

Maybe the Megabird has a bigger plan for the guides.
Or maybe they were in the worst place possible when the Storm hit.

Eden.

[sharp lichen]

I’m writing a fanfiction all about the guides after the Eden calamity and how they survived.

My theory is that they absorbed light from the natural world, used darkstone, stayed in a secure location, or used all three to stay alive.

[bronze arch]

There's clearly something special about them. And if we get an Eden season like people are speculating, it's possible we might relive the final moments of the Ancestors in Eden.

[sick owl]

I personally think that guides were the spirits that were super close to elder of the realm and I think elders gave their light to these guides and people so they can interact with the skykid. It makes a little sense as elders have a lot of light to counter darkness but they gave it to guides so they can tell stories to skykids

[sharp lichen]

I honestly wouldn’t want to see an Eden season. What’s far more important is a rework of the Ascended Candle system that’s plaguing it right now

[bronze arch]

Why do Ascents need to be reworked?
They work just fine.

[sharp lichen]

@bronze arch here

[bronze arch]

I think Sky is, inherently, an incomplete game.
The Megabird is something we see in one place.
Just one.
This all-powerful god of Skyworld, relegated to a credits scene.

[sharp lichen]

How exactly?

[bronze arch]

This doesn't seem right.
I think the Megabird will have some greater impact on Eden.
...I have no idea where I'm going with this so I'll stop and talk about something else.
Suffice it to say, though, the Ancestors are definitely important.

[unreal shuttle]

Wait WHAT since when is this speculation born?

[formal skiff]

Ye agreed

[formal skiff]

I have a question, what’s your proposal for how to change the ac system?

[nimble ingot]

I know it is meant for Baudshaw, though would love to see more use for Ascended Candles.
Especially if it is 'the most valuable currency' in the game.

[unreal shuttle]

But I think it’s for the Sky kids maybe spirits used to have a different money?

[formal skiff]

Elaborate?

And kaliu: yeah, we don’t know what currency spirits used, so feel free to speculate about that and share!

[bronze arch]

That message is comparing 2 different games with 2 different stories.
Are there parallels? Yes. But they have their differences.

They said Journey is about reaching an end. Sky is about helping others. You get a reward for your troubles saving the Skids, because that's what the goal is. I can't speak about Journey because I don't have that information, so I won't pretend I know what I'm talking about.

There's also no real "end" to Sky. It is not a story with an end, it is a story with a feedback loop. Skid goes through the realm, to Eden, dies, is reborn, rinse and repeat. The only things that change are the knowledge and friends you have each time you go.

The Ascended Candles are more of a representation of karma, if anything. If you save as many as you can, you get a lot of A. Candles as a reward. If you go for your own personal gain (ignoring the statues for your own plans), you get little to nothing in return.

[frigid tinsel]

spirit memories show events that occurred when the ancestors were alive. after freeing spirits from petrification, the ancestor spirits interact with us in the present as spirits

[nimble ingot]

Perhaps more use in Spells, or buffs.
If one runs Eden every week, there will eventually be a build of the candles, yet not much use for them other than getting wing buffs, upgrading friendship levels, or some spells.

Frankly, would love to spend ACs on some friendship items rather than using normal candles.
Especially with the standard candles being the main currency, it could take some of the weight off from saving up and grinding normal candles, if one can exchange some ACs instead.

[bronze arch]

There was a trailer or something that triggered these.

[frigid tinsel]

it's been thought that there are a lot more spirits "in-universe" than we see in-game cos adding the entire population of the Sky kingdom would be much

[formal skiff]

I mean, they ARE used for spells and friendships, though I understand what you mean. It’s also true though that not everyone goes through Eden weekly.

[bronze arch]

Also if you're gonna request change, please provide a potential solution.
Tsk tsk tsk. /lh-srs

[sharp lichen]

Remove it entirely. Eden is now only a way for moths to beat the game. The only reason veterans would go to Eden is to help moths there. Elder Hairs would be given for free at the elder temple once you complete the constellation. Wing buffs could be purchased for regular candles, or with my new idea, called-

Another idea I had was for a different currency, maybe called “Teamwork Candles.” They’d have a green color and would be acquired by completing seasonal quests. You’d get a large amount of them by completing it for the first time, although there is heavy diminishing returns. You could purchase wing buffs or extremely valuable cosmetics and spells for it.

[formal skiff]

That sounds interesting, and I agree it would make Eden a more impactful experience although it would decrease how often people went. I can’t help but worry that lack of incentive to go through Eden would make it no more than a forgotten corner of the game though, because much as we dislike to admit it, Sky is a rather commercial game in the end. Have you sent this idea in suggestions?

[bronze arch]

But now you need to come up with a reason for why they are called "Teamwork Candles".
Ascended Candles are named so because you must ascend and help others ascend to get them.

[sharp lichen]

I’d admit the naming is extremely difficult. I was thinking “World Candles”, since seasonal quests generally involve helping the Sky world.

[bronze arch]

I think Ascended Candles should stay but we need an alternative for things like the Shop boat in Home.

Essentially:
AC - Wingbuffs, Elder Hair
Alt - Boat Shop, Season cosmetics

[amber creek]

We need a better way to grind for hearts I don't have enough friends. And hearts aren't just for aesthetics most of the time they block the node that has wing buffs

[bronze arch]

🕯️Candles, 🤍 Hearts, and Souls (Season Hearts) need to be completely reworked.
Candles need less wax to complete, there's an EXTREME grind.
Hearts, I've already ranted about those.
Souls, WHAT EVEN-

I think I've only gotten 1 or 2 Souls in my entire time with this game.
The game also NEVER talks about them.

[raw crypt]

the sky economy is in shambles /srs

[formal skiff]

Why do you call them souls? /gq

[bronze arch]

I generally associate "hearts" and "souls", and both "season" and "soul" start with S so I just started callin' 'em "Souls".

Time to go to #live-feedback.

[frigid tinsel]

but they're not souls. hearts are not souls in a literal sense neither in-game nor irl even if sometimes hearts and souls are metaphorically linked, they are still not the same in game

[formal skiff]

Also ye hearts are annoying, mainly because players who are super social have an enormous advantage over players who have less friends or are solo. If you have a bunch of randos as friends and they light you daily, you could potentially get a heart every couple days just from being lighted. Whereas 60 lightings take a while to accumulate if you have 10 or fewer regular friends. Making hearts 2 candles to send to friends would also make people more motivated to send them often.

[bronze arch]

Well I've only seen "soul" in this community to refer to the light soul pre-Final Flight. And even then, it's always said with "light" to differentiate it. Even when I've used "soul" in a different sense, it was in a compound word ("Edensoul").

And also, it's a personal thing, you don't have to like/agree with it nor bash/fact-check me for it.

[frigid tinsel]

I'm just saying so cos one of the biggest communication issues here is a difference in terminology and how others understand the words we use. for instance, some believe that a skykid's flame is their soul when others believe the blue sparkle they and spirits have are souls. hence the need to distinguish terms and use word choice understood by most.

[bronze arch]

Also, while I'm in #live-feedback complaining about Sky (2019) economy, wovld anyone like to add any other maior issues that get talked about a lot?

[frigid tinsel]

fyi – #live-feedback is for in-game issues. you're probably looking for #wishlist-and-ideas-archived, which is for suggestions about future game content

[formal skiff]

I thought #report-a-live-bug was the game issues channel?

[frigid tinsel]

here are what the two channel topics' read

[bronze arch]

Please use this channel to give us your feedback and suggestions about features that are currently in Sky: Children of the Light. Let us know what you like, what you dislike, and ideas you have for ways we can improve things!

[frigid tinsel]

if you're proposing a rework to the entire currency system, that sounds like a #wishlist-and-ideas-archived suggestion

[bronze arch]

If I post it there and get told to put it in #live-feedback, you're never gonna hear the end of it.

[unreal shuttle]

Where I can find it do you know?

[bronze arch]

No, someone mentioned it to me once upon a time...

It was in February, I think.

[unreal shuttle]

Okay thanks I though it was the trailer of the serie/movie or whatever are they gonna do

[bronze arch]

The trailer of the what-

[frail jacinth]

skykids have heartbeats so i wanted to like see what people thought on the clay theory considering like, a heartbeat would indicate otherwise right? unless we have like hearts inside the mold type thing.

[bronze arch]

Oh yea I heard the heartbeat on my last run.

[unreal shuttle]

It live now I’m my memories but I’m 99% there’s something like that coming and that’s why Sky have a stand in some anime thing in Japan

[bronze arch]

[amber creek]

I'm convinced sky does not run on the same carbon based life form that we know of. And my theory that similar to many ancient mythologies story of creation (before science was a thing) many people believed that humans were crafted out of clay by the gods

[unreal shuttle]

Maybe the heart sound is the heart of the soul? Or what do you think? It’s a fact that we are made of clay of at least it’s what most people think

[frail jacinth]

it sounds like a real one, and well, i guess the concept of "human" hearts would seem odd considering the clay theory, so how would the soul know to have that lapsing heartbeat

[amber creek]

Maybe the heartbeat we hear is how they keep their flame burning? It's not blood pumping but air pumping into the body to fan the flame? But then we would hear something more like breathing

[keen shore]

I don’t have any evidence for it, just a really pervasive gut feeling that the “last season of the year” that kept getting brought up in news posts will either take place in or have something to do with Eden

[uncut pond]

I think the heartbeat from skids comes from their very souls, which probably have like some sort of movement inside the vessel/body of the sky kid
Like, I don't think whatever they have inside them remains static, there's gotta be some moving part inside

Maybe the heartbeat sound is the soul trying to "push"/move the body of the skid? Like maybe when skids move the souls inside the body is sending like a "wave" through the body to make it move

[frigid tinsel]

I haven’t finished this section of my skykid anatomy doc but so far I’ve listed out moments when the heartbeat is heard, which I find important to note

[uncut pond]

Interesting. I still stand by my theory of the heartbeat being the soul pushing the body or maybe just resonating because it's just what it does, but I'd like to hear other theories

[gray jasper]

I think its a love thing. When you die you are sacrificing for the heart and soul. Im a spiritual person, so I dont see that much science behind it. Its more of a feeling to me.
**Im new btw, so I am just some rando joining ur convo, if thats alright lol..

[rugged jackal]

My initial theory was that the skykid was experiencing an intense need to survive, they were like “oh snap oh snap I might die” like how us humans work too but I didn’t know the heartbeat is also heard while holding hands that’s so wholesome

[gray jasper]

I didnt know that either, maybe i need to pay attention to little details better lol

[rugged jackal]

Welcome to lorechat wassup

[gray jasper]

@rugged jackal Hi, nothin much, just curious to see what others think about this game, its very unique

[rugged jackal]

Assuming you’re a Sky lore moff, here’s some info

Lore Moff Doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18B1-SKG3toG0oH0VhOWC5o-cG9u0STAN92QvmbhTDto/edit?usp=sharing

The Canon Lore Doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10ZWJRGiJSrIXgDvJ4pST61moZbVB_hBExUjOaF-pmOE/edit?usp=sharing

[frigid tinsel]

Yea, the heartbeat while handholding is incredibly subtle. I have been playing this game since last August but only first heard that heartbeat a month ago. It’s only audible when there’s no background music nor noise.

Here’s the handholding heartbeat in a quiet space (Forest Elder’s temple) – when I first heard it. Even then you might need headphones.

[rugged jackal]

Maybe the heartbeat is just more noticeable when with friends, it’s twice as loud

[frigid tinsel]

no, there's no heartbeat under those conditions of silence when alone / not hand holding.

[rugged jackal]

That’s the point, the heartbeat when with others is subtle yea? The heartbeat when not with others is simply ✨not in our range of hearing✨

[frigid tinsel]

Thing is, we can hear our own heartbeats solo, but only when skykids are under duress (dying in Eden, drowning). If it’s something skykids constantly have, it gets louder when they’re dying. If it something skykids don’t always have, it only activates when they’re dying or when feeling passion like friendship

[trim yoke]

It's usually audible in the home area/social areas when there's few/idle players as well ^^

[frigid tinsel]

Is it when you’re handholding with someone else and it’s completely quiet or when you’re not touching anyone else, just around them? Because if the latter, I’ve never the heartbeat in said scenario

[bronze arch]

Have to do it here since Skybot's being a jerk. Sorry for interrupting.

!er

[pastel brook]

The Eye of Eden resets once per week.
Next reset happens <t:1653202800:F> (In 6 days 9 hours 42 minutes 55 seconds)
Did you know you can use the !edenreset or !er command in my DMs? Shorter cooldown there too.

[unreal shuttle]

Oh no, it also come to lore chat

[trim yoke]

Sorry just seen this now, when you're with a friend. I think it can happen with piggy however imma check that in the morning
Sorry for late response

[frigid tinsel]

Yea it happens with piggyback too

[white junco]

how often does the average person hear their own heartbeat though? I know skykids aren't built like humans but they seem to mimic them, or at least mimic the ancestors (who are fairly humanoid). I would give my take but unfortunately I am not the average person on this

[rigid mural]

Even in quiet rooms it's pretty hard to hear your own heartbeat without doing anything.

[unreal shuttle]

Maybe Sky kids don’t have a heart but since they imitated everything they see the heart it’s like the sound of the soul trying to imitated creatures who have it

[white junco]

ah ty. I am usually aware of mine but I know that's not normal

[sharp lichen]

Speaking of which, which creatures would even have a heart?

[unreal shuttle]

Not light creatures, crabs maybe?

[white junco]

we have no way of knowing for certain what creatures in sky might have anything even close to the biology of our animals

[frigid tinsel]

Light creature biology rn is

[unreal shuttle]

Now I’m thinking about those big bones in forest

[frigid tinsel]

All we know about them is:
—they leave behind bones if they die an unnatural death
—they have light
—their light was used to make power diamonds, killing them in the process.
—some of the Elders had an affinity for them
—mantas might have mild telekinesis.
—crabs are funky with darkness rabies and represent jealously according to some concept development notes.
That’s it for light creature biology

[sharp lichen]

Nothing that mentions hearts at all

[unreal shuttle]

Wait are we sure when they are used to created power diamonds they just die or they get corrupted and became krills?

[frigid tinsel]

We don’t know the light to flesh ratio of light creatures. Yea they’re magical but they got bones that manifest upon death and crabs have shells so

[sharp lichen]

We’re not sure, but I do believe they either get drained of energy or die

[unreal shuttle]

Yeah I mean that’s clear but thinking about krills is not a bad theory

[frigid tinsel]

There’s concept art that suggests mantas were used as well the Abyss murals.

We don’t know what krills were before corruption so anything speculation is just that — speculation.

[unreal shuttle]

I mean in abyss they have the mantas and the krills in cages

That is what I was thinking, thank you, btw where did you get this?

[rigid mural]

oh yeah i feel my own heartbeat after running but it's probably because i'm out of shape

[white junco]

ah yes... after running... me too (lying)

[formal skiff]

I can feel my own heartbeat sometimes when I’ve been sitting/lying still for a while. It’s unpleasant and maybe not good because it feels kinda weird? I don’t hear it though.

[native shoal]

I can hear it when I’m doing something that gets my heart rate up, like if I’m sprinting up the stairs 2 at a time I can both hear it and feel it

[formal skiff]

Oh yeah there’s that version too. That version doesn’t feel bad like the other one.

[rigid mural]

i go up the stairs on all 4s, cant relate

[unreal shuttle]

Wait and how you didn’t die? You are a wizard or have very tall legs?

[rigid mural]

Thou wilt never know what I am
I am the fifth dimension
And I'll split the atom

[unreal shuttle]

Confirmed, Vela is megabird is canon know

[keen shore]

I feel my heartbeat pounding after I make my bed how do u guys do this

[frigid tinsel]

If Vela is Megabird then a lot of blokes wanna eat them like spaghetti

[white junco]

I feel my heartbeat very loudly a lot. like whenever I lay down. when I sit down. when I just kind of exist. It makes it hard to sleep sometimes

[unreal shuttle]

Vela is know running for their lives cuz a lot of moths are trying to krill their with a folk

[keen shore]

finally revenge

[slate saffron]

Hello lorechat!

How goes the lore-ing & maybe very possibly chatting?

[native shoal]

I’m short so my ability to go up multiple stairs at a time is limited

[unreal shuttle]

I’m clumsy so my ability to go multiple stairs at a time is death foretold

[real merlin]

let me guess, that's the entire history of sky. Gratitude for finding a place above the clouds, they search for resources including light, they found a place suitable for living, they party or music is created, enchantments and spells that you get from spirits are made, sky becomes a sanctuary for the spirits before they died, prophecies about the future made even the ones about the dark lord's arrival but were ignored, dreams of the future it's a new generation of spirits (before they died), they build quite a lot, some sort of leader or the elders are picked, some spirits migrate to where is now the location for the season of flight out of either fear of the future or wanting to have freedom, darkness arrives and consumes everyone, we arrive and our performance to save everyone starts
personal interpretation

[violet sundial]

The assembly scouts were created in the fiery pits of hell and adopted by the Lightseekers. Their decision to do so would come to be the downfall of the Sky Kingdom itself.

[sharp lichen]

Ok let me try to connect them all in some absolutely insane theory

[keen shore]

took me 2 whole hours to realize this wasn’t a piano

[slate saffron]

WAIT why is the season of belonging represented by this , y'know the symbol that pops up everywhere across Valley, Wasteland, Vault, & Eden?

[keen shore]

the livestream mentioned that each diamond was supposed to represent a person and that they were coming together, :-) it makes me wonder if that diamond meant people in Sky in general

[sharp lichen]

BEWARE- GIANT TEXT WALL INCOMING

[jade river]

LAUNCH IT FELLA

[sharp lichen]

(This is a joke theory) The spirits theorized of a Chosen One who would show themselves if they completed the Trials. Many flocked to the Cave, including the Crew. They befriended the Prophets and received their powers in the form of the Enchantment Lights. The Piggyback Spirit sees this and forms the , whose goal is to find and use the Enchantment Lights. The Guide saw the Red Light and wanted to use it for their plays, but the Enchantment Crew refused. So, they found a group of young actors and formed a stage that emulated the Enchantment Light’s powers. With all 3 groups in Valley, the Performance Actors befriended the and folk, who were inspired to pursue music and skating respectively. Conflict was formed between the Prophecy, Lightseekers, and Enchantment groups, causing the Prophecy Cave to be sealed off, the Lightseekers group to split, and the Enchantment Crew to move to Wasteland. Also in Isle are the spirits, who are rivals with the Prophets. They are prideful of the Fortune Dragon. Meanwhile, the Laidback Pioneer finds a bunch of children and mentors them, helping them form the scouts. They were friends with the family, with them being close to each other. The spirits didn’t like them both, seeing them as destructive. 1/2

The Wind Paths were originally planned to be in the Sanctuary Islands, but the plan was scrapped. Instead, a group ( ) was carefully selected to explore the Islands while protecting the natural creatures. One group that was rejected were the spirits. They wanted to become explorers of the Sanctuary Islands due to their experience in the water, but after being rejected, they went to Wasteland, following in the footsteps of the Enchantment crew. Finally, the spirits see all this madness and mock it. For example, the Beckoning King mocks the feud between the Prophecy and Gratitude groups. 2/2 @jade river

This is absolutely insane and I love it

[ember mica]

i adore this theory omg

[main dove]

Love the connection of all the seasons

[real merlin]

yo thanks, my own theory was actually just me randomly piecing together what knowledge I have so this is amazing :D

[trim yoke]

The "befriending " would have already been a thing way before all of that as they're twins... So that wouldn't have worked as part of the theory hehehe
Besides that, it's a decent joke theory

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• crack your knuckles/rest your fingers from typing lore
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• drink water
• and take your meds!

byeee

[outer hare]

Thank you Wooly manta 💜 Can i have a hug if i do that T^T?

[loud canopy]

What if they were originally doing something like what they're doing right now togheter but torn apart, and performance got the short end of the stick and had to work their way back.
While rhythm kept their very amazing crew

[outer hare]

amazing✨

[trim yoke]

Good point, they could have had a large argument

[tiny night]

I planned to sneak in here to read some cool theories, I've been staring at random words for around 30, though keep up the great work theorists!
I'll be enjoying the crumbs

[copper saffron]

sky: is cute wholesome game
the lore: mantas are farmed and turned into a rock for power

[copper saffron]

the third image though seems to show that the area there was once above ground, and was subsequently flooded into what we see today, note the water level and familiar landmarks

[pastel brook]

[sick owl]

[manic badger]

Hello lorechat, i just finished 2 season quests in wasteland, and i feel like “woah, Are krills gonna become extinct in more future seasons?”, and its kind of a stupid thought, and i decided to post that message here,

btw does anyone know that shark looking krill amalgamation of a whale in season abyss??

[pastel brook]

I see you, @manic badger, you should probably sleep, brah

[manic badger]

no, its like gonna be 7pm

[outer hare]

the shark looking krill amalgamation of a whale is called the king krill ^^

[manic badger]

Woah, Krill history, thank you!!!

[loud canopy]

I don't think we exactly killed king krill, I think he's still swimming around just traumatized and not touching any of the light fishes

[tranquil harbor]

Mega krill learned their lesson

[outer hare]

bobbit-

[torpid cedar]

Hello, I was wondering if there's na compilation or some lore details about what happened to gw? Can someone link it to me? Kinda feeling to read some lore since I don't have any idea about the world of sky too much

[outer hare]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-SOY_5WrhQ2ftVZEM9VMBsz92-n_53kBzQoHKmY2-24/edit#heading=h.d4h04kd9pqqt somewhere in here- you might be able to find something

[sharp lichen]

I meant befriending the entirety of the Rhythm troupe, btw.

[sharp lichen]

My personal theory was that it used to be a diverse environment, filled with grasslands and reefs, but the Eden Storm came, bringing immense darkness to the land.

[trim yoke]

I'd realised afterwards

[wide nexus]

I pretty much demand a dark lore

[sharp lichen]

As in, edgy lore or lore about the powers of darkness?

[marsh rivet]

why did that not post wth

anyways any theories on tiepnsy skykids and why spirits are so insanely tall?

[sharp lichen]

They just are I don’t think you need an explanation for being tall. You just are tall.

Fun fact: the Prophecy Guide is over 3 times taller than a Chibi Skykid, making them 6 foot 9 inches.

[marsh rivet]

how in the holy mother of Salem

[sharp lichen]

Maybe you shouldn’t ask why spirits are tall, and instead ask why Skykids are short?

[heavy otter]

Tiny

Anyone got any random pieces of lore they wanna talk about?

[marsh rivet]

good idea... why can skykids get smaller than the average toddler but still walk, talk, jump, fly and do stuff on their own?

[heavy otter]

Maybe being smaller makes it easier to fly

[marsh rivet]

easily the size of a parrot, right? but no aerodynamic body structure, so technically, skykids were maybe not even made for flying at all? humans weren't and skids have the exact same body structure...

[copper saffron]

and the elders are all huge

[heavy otter]

Yeah it's strange

I don't think the sky kids have any organs tho

It looks they could be made from wax or clay like material

[soft timber]

Humans are kinda hydrodynamic as we can swim pretty well, not the best of course, but pretty well for a land creature, so I guess the same thing can happen for skids in the sky

[heavy otter]

If they have fire inside them maybe they work like a hot air balloon

[soft timber]

Probably yes! It also helps that there is some kind of magic and real world physics involved too

[heavy otter]

Yeah they generate hot air underneath their capes to create lift

[soft timber]

Or even flapping their arms/capes with the help of magic to create lift as well

There is an animation of skids flapping their arms and/or capes to create lift and it's more easily seen with certain capes

[heavy otter]

Yeah skids are magical creatures so the use of magic is expected

[soft timber]

Love how we are discussing how skids fly and my brain immediately went "skids universally love stickers"

[heavy otter]

Lmao that's canon now

[copper saffron]

i headcanon that they technically dont need a cape to fly, just a manifestation of their winged light to allow them to fly, which tends to take the form of a winged flight cape cause it makes sense, but can also be a scarf (tlp scarf, new year fish scarf) or indeed anything that goes around the neck and back like that (angler's mantle thing, i wouldnt say it's a cape lol)

[trim yoke]

They'll have aerodynamic structure when I yeet that annoying moff spamming kiss emotes at mine and my partner's faces when we're trying to be friendly and see everyone's outfits

Who gets the last laugh now, enjoy the whirlpool of death, moff :D

/HJ

[soft timber]

"Enjoy the whirlpool of death moff" is such a raw line for Sky and I love it

[sharp lichen]

Size doesn’t really matter when it comes to mental and physical ability in the Sky world

[trim yoke]

• Master Oogway

[regal forge]

With the existence of shared memories and the fact they make us look like a spirit in a way
Do you think the spirit memories are literally just the memories of the spirit and not the spirit itself in the memory?
Like the person/spirit isn’t there anymore. We’re just seeing a memory replaying like how we can reflect on our own experiences in our mind

[trim yoke]

I believe that's what it actually is... Spirits are just the embodiment of the ones who've passed

[regal forge]

I’ve just seen people wonder why there’s so few spirits and what they were doing there if there was an apocalypse but most may not have died there or during that memory. It was just an important part of their life

In other news I’ve been imagining a very windy day and spirits just watching sky kids get SWOOPED across the sky by the wind

Do you think we could desensitize krills to skids like horses to other things

[frigid tinsel]

That’s exactly how I’ve been seeing spirit memories — they are imprints of the ancestors when they were alive that the world found memorable in regards to their location where their spirit petrified.

[keen shore]

IM LOSING IT ARE YOU USING ME AS A CURSE WORD

[distant turtle]

That is a picture of a sugar glider

[keen shore]

horrible concept: skykids are like blimps. they float bc they are hollow

[rigid mural]

I kinda like it tho, I always thought skykids were hollow with a flame inside, kinda like lanterns or hot air balloons.

[frigid tinsel]

Imagining a skykid lifting off like an astronaut free walking in space all “oh no”

[rigid mural]

Oh ! About that ! Maybe they can control their inner flame as well as their light !

[keen shore]

skykids getting excited, burning too hot, and Floating Away

[neon mirage]

Apparently earth prophet can surf? Any thoughts on where she would’ve learned how?

[sharp lichen]

This means they can explode

[frigid tinsel]

No... no it doesn’t

[frigid tinsel]

They could’ve left the cave sometimes and hung out on the ocean that’s right out there

[sharp lichen]

Water Trial

[rigid mural]

The mental image is too funny to me, including that in my personal headcanons.
Skykids getting stuck to ceilings like helium balloons because of this.

[uncut pond]

No no they got a point

[rigid mural]

I like to think skids are like sky lanterns because they have a very similar glow in the dark.
Also fits the narrative of them being fragile and meant to be in groups c:

They're also like those flags we see near the prairie temple ! A bunch of colorful capes or clothes holding onto eachother...

[uncut pond]

You just gave me an absolutely awful idea

Alternate version of Sky where everything is exactly the same except when you're about to friend a moth and they disconnect, instead of disappearing they explode with the vine boom sound effect

[frigid tinsel]

Like these things? Just a string of skykids holding hands

[rigid mural]

YEAH YOU GET ME

[frigid tinsel]

Or even like when you got a full lobby of friends together

Moth Alasdair jumpscare

[rigid mural]

YEAH THATS WHAT IT MAKES ME THINK ABOUT
I even tried to draw it as a small detail once because sky kids are so cute like this

[lean siren]

daily orb delivery

[sharp lichen]

You know, I’ve thought of the idea that seasons would form different alliances/factions and work together. Like maybe, Rhythm, Dreams, and Performance work together

I also have a cursed idea: the Rhythm people have no location/home because they spent their money on fancy clothes instead of finding a place to live, mimicking the modern Sky player who only cares about candle running for Rhythm clothes.

[visual knoll]

Does anyone know if theres like a hub source or location for the concept art and timeline? :0 like
Where it's all gathered at once and not strewn about.

[sharp lichen]

I actually don’t think we have that for concept art. As for the timeline, we’re still figuring it out. We can’t even make a strewn about timeline!

[frigid tinsel]

Tom Zhao’s concept art: https://www.tomzhao.com/sky1

TGC Abyss concepts: https://www.thatskygame.com/news/the-art-behind-season-of-abyss

NetEase Abyss concepts: https://sky.163.com/news/official/20220413/26689_1012705.html

Flight concepts: https://www.thatskygame.com/news/the-art-of-season-of-flight-and-a-challenge-for-sky-photographers

NetEase Season of the Little Prince concepts: https://sky.163.com/m/news/strategy/20211012/29298_978047.html

[amber creek]

Season of dreams has the best emotes and vault is the best place to candle run. I will not take any questions

[sharp lichen]

Isle has 13 candle cakes. As for emotes, I’m not sure

[amber creek]

I am ✨ lazy ✨ and I get ✨lost✨ too much so vault it is

[sharp lichen]

Candle running isn’t about pure number of candles, it’s efficiency. Candle cakes are easy to get and candle cake runs get a good amount of candles in a really short time. The best full candle run are the Trials, the Sanctuary Islands, and the 4 candle cakes per realm.

[amber creek]

Candle running is about how little time I have to spend on this game + not getting lost + not having to memorize locations of stuff + I'm a two year vet that just started caring about candles two months ago + vault pretty

And the only reason I go to Eden so much now is because I'm bored and I need more theories on it. Eye of Eden totally used to have floating platforms in it from what I could see

[sharp lichen]

(/j) I agree with you+ simply a skill issue+ simply a skill issue+why+fine I agree with you

Also, Eden’s Ascended Candle system is horrible, and turning such an important experience into a weekly routine is ridiculous.

[amber creek]

Because someone was broke and didn't care about cosmetics until I got the bright idea to 100% the constellations (it will be the death of me) also yeah Eden used to be a special trip for me now it's to get those candle gains

I'm very glad that everyone has similar issues with the candle and heart systems

[grim python]

yeah at the very least it could have the weekly refresh removed and just be accessible whenever, it’s ridiculous to have to wait so long for ascended candles you can buy like 2 things with max and then have to wait a whole week again

[sharp lichen]

I actually think the candle and heart systems are okay for what they are. What’s more annoying is ascended candles. They need to be removed. My reason is what I replied to

[amber creek]

In that case there would be some people running the whole game a few times a day (because I totally would if I was bored)

[visual knoll]

Thank you

[amber creek]

I have the slightest suspicion that Eden has a lot of hidden secrets/could have more hidden secrets but they prevent us from finding them by adding a bunch of environmental hazards and making us just want to push our way through to the end

[sharp lichen]

There’s also the problem with the players themselves: they focus too much on candle running to understand the true gameplay of Sky, and nine times out of ten they get burnt out. The obsessive culture about TSes especially is ridiculous

[amber creek]

This is why we need mini games and more interaction with NPCs. I actually grew to appreciate ts recently they are easy wing buffs

[sharp lichen]

In a superficial sense, they are. But people have grown too obsessed with them to the point where there’s outrage when a spirit they don’t like comes back.

[amber creek]

The sort of "daily" aspects of the game created that grind mentality. It's a double edged sword.

[sharp lichen]

Minigames are okay, but I much more appreciate seasonal game things like the Performance Stage. Interaction with spirits needs to be done carefully: I want to hug the Fire Prophet, but having dialogues and side quests could be strange.

[uncut pond]

I think "reliving spirit memories" could be changed to doing a mini-quest, similar to seasonal quests but on a smaller scale, rather than just following a light around and phasing through reasonably vague holograms. Like, we grant the wish of a spirit to make them ascend, like making their last will come true.
And also some of the spirit cutscenes could use some work, like cutscenes like the ones after reliving the memories of Abyss and Performance spirits are great, it'd be cool if the vanilla spirits had more cutscenes like that.
Would certainly improve the interactions with ancestors and make them feel more like ghosts of actual people and not just floating shops

Like I know that probably requires an unrealistic amount of work from TGC but hey I like to dream

[uncut pond]

Genuine question, what should be the reward for completing Eden, then? Like yeah I get that ACs aren't the greatest system but the players need some incentive to go to Eden beyond lore reasons

[sharp lichen]

None. Completing Eden is its own reward. For Moths, the incentive is to beat the game. For Veterans, the incentive is to help moths beat the game. Intrinsic motivation should be enough.

[uncut pond]

I mean, eh, sure, but I don't think intrinsic motivation will be enough in a mobile MMO

I think the system could be changed to instead of rewarding you based on how many statues you light, it rewards you based on the amount of players that made it to PNR and Orbit with you

That way Vets still have a reason to go help moths in Eden

And also because there's not enough stuff to do with AC, change the TS system to be only for pre-enchantment spirits, and make all of the spirits of post-enchantment seasons minus the previous one to the current season be accessible from their respective seasonal areas to those who completed all the quests AND completed the constellation of the respective realm (so there's also more incentive to complete constellations beyond just Elder hair), and all those seasonal cosmetics will be bought with AC instead of normal candles like TSs

[static meteor]

is it possible this symbol is an abstracted version of winged light?

I also thought it was interesting to note how the statues, which appear to be scholars, in Eden are holding darkstone, and have either artificial wings or artificial light glare behind them

[trim yoke]

That's actually a good thought, I never realised that
Like a symbol of Ascension

[uncut pond]

Huh, that's actually a very interesting finding

[static meteor]

i also find it interesting how Elders with capes have at least one winged light (which makes sense, becauae you can't have a cape without having winged light) AND they give us winged light in pnr once ascended

[uncut pond]

Some of the old concept art seemed to put a lot of emphasis on how ancestors are grounded beings incapable of natural flight, so you might be into something here

[static meteor]

not sure how to tie it all together, but my final thought about this is that it's also interesting how winged light is both blue and yellow

while blue seems to be the color of corruption/darkness (which is obvious in the darkness plants, but also our skykids' glow turns blue when we are hit by rocks, and the skykid statues in pnr have blue cracks)

while yellow seems to be the color of light/connection (ascended spirits turn yellow, our glow is yellow, and the skykid in the murals is always yellow i believe?)

but winged lights are both blue AND yellow

thought it was interesting to note that, because didn't it say somewhere that skykids are not pure light nor pure darkness but a mix of both?

idk im just dumping ideas with no real connection to one another haha

[trim yoke]

What if the elders realised they were incapable of flight and so most of them clipped their wings in return for power?

Maybe they were once skykids who were gifted power in return for their wings, allowing them to become wise and grow up? That would explain why some elders have no wings as they maybe clipped their wings or sacrificed their wings in return for power? Some elders (QGs) have wings or very few as they may like their capes and sacrificed a portion of their wings so they could remain comfy and cozy?

[frigid tinsel]

by Elders you mean the ancestors? if you're referring to the stars on some capped ancestors, it's likely a bug cos it only appeared in the last update and wasn't mentioned in the patch notes. also in the last patch notes, it says they fixed a glitch with stars on capes, which they didn't actually, so we know the devs were working on stars appearance. that empty stars on ancestor capes may be a consequence of that.

[static meteor]

i did mean the ancestors yeah, sorry i'd just woken up when I wrote that

....skykids losing their wings as a metaphor for growing up...

[rigid mural]

Nooo that's so sad ! What if losing your wings meant losing hope ? And when you feel that spark again, you regain them :]

[fading shoal]

what species is a skykid as a adult????

[slim mango]

About diamond eyes on ancestors spirit, it seems one with long dress have one, but no color

With exception ancestor spirit wearing mask

[rigid mural]

I like to call them Skyfolk !

Though in canon, we don't even know if skykids really are children or if they just have some kind of Peter Pan thing going on where they can't grow up (we only know they are child-coded to give us a sense of vulnerability)...

[fading shoal]

i see, thank you!!!

[frigid tinsel]

I think skykids haven't been around long enough to see them age, if they even can. skykids seem very much not biological beings, so the concept of aging for them would be different than for us irl

[rigid mural]

On the topic of losing your wings when you grow up, I think we could change things away from the trope of children being magical in some way and most adults losing that when growing up

What if the rules simply changed ? It's true that you will probably not feel as light as you felt as a kid because you had your needs (hopefully) met by your caretakers so you didn't need to worry about that, but when you grow up, you fledge and gain strength in your freedom.

Maybe sky children find it pretty easy to fly by using their environment (gusts, light creatures or simply gliding along the winds), but since they are pretty weak, they would have trouble going against strong currents.
In contrast, older sky folks may be a bit too heavy to be carried by small light creatures or glide with only a small gust, but they make up for it with their strenght so they don't have as much trouble as the younger ones when the weather is more chaotic. Not to mention that they likely also have more experience in the skies...

[frigid tinsel]

yea, why not skykids becoming more magical as they age? either attaining more abilities or, with experience, able to use the powers they have now to accomplish greater things an inexperienced moth couldn't do?

[uncut pond]

I imagine sky folks would theoretically be able to fly a lot higher or go way faster with every flap/whatever they do when you hold the jump button

[tiny night]

My friend and I talked Abt how poppy playtime might have some typa Toy hierarchy
And I just noticed king krill (it may just be a name tho)
So like....some typa krill hierarchy??-
This is just some weird thought I got, I just drank 2?? 3 cups of coffee

[uncut pond]

I don't think they have like, an actual hierarchy or anything

Dark creatures seem to be chaotic in nature at least to me

[tiny night]

Also since the king krill appeared in season of abyss I'm kinda scared for other seasons bcuz there might be more stronger variations of krill coming soon
(Pls don't get inspired by ur concept art tgc)

[rigid mural]

[looks at the thing lightseekers do collecting light from trees, because it's not an emote we currently have]

[frigid tinsel]

"king krill" is just one name out of many for the leviathan. TGC hasn't given any official names so there's a plethora of names from the community circulating around

[tiny night]

Ohhhhhh alr, thought it was an official name with how commonly used it was

[frigid tinsel]

yea, "king krill" is one of the more common names floating around but I've seem plenty for the big boi:

leviathan, shadow leviathan, dark leviathan, great leviathan, Levi, Ruby, king krill, mega krill, Kraken Leviathan, Big Fish, giant fish, krill mother, elder krill, Many Eyes, fluffy, Spikey, Jorm the Worm, Many-Eyed Beast

[formal skiff]

Correction, they HAVE given an official name

#polls message

[rigid mural]

Tethys called it "the big guy"

[formal skiff]

SAMW THOUGHTS VELA

[frigid tinsel]

lmao how'd I miss that? adding it to the list

[formal skiff]

The one true canon name

[keen shore]

my concept of skykid aging would probably just be their shell showing more signs of wear and tear as their life goes on. Considering they can seemingly change their height at will, I doubt it would be an indicator of age like it is for us

[formal skiff]

All they’ve gotta do to fix wear and tear is be reborn though so I doubt that’d be an indicator either, beyond short-term aging

[keen shore]

that’s also true. maybe it would just be amt of cape stars or how brightly their light burns? like older skykids would have more fleshed out and complex projected hairs and capes and all, and might burn so brightly that the forest rain turns into steam when it touches them

[frigid tinsel]

I hold the headcanon that skykids get a fresh body every time they're reborn that's a facsimile of the one they already had, kinda like making a brand new copy. so a skykid with a lot of visible wear and tear would be one who hadn't been reborn in a while.

[frail ruin]

Oh yay lore for sky ocs :D

[keen shore]

I wish I could do that to my lower back.

skykid with the fantasy version of an autoimmune disease but they never notice because they get reborn so often thst their organs just reset

out of curiosity. I wonder if you’d be able to regenerate missing limbs and whatnot with being reborn. I wonder if any kind of permanent physical disability or illness (other than post corruption stuff maybe??) would be a thing in skykid society (I kinda hope so because I am tired of the whole disabled people being instantly and magically healed trope)

[frigid tinsel]

in my ficverse, skykids can get corrupted, though they can resolve their corruption by getting reborn. unfortunately that's difficult for them or they can resist it (see: Nanif aka "The Carver").

[keen shore]

I don’t think Nanif resisted being corrupted very well I will be honest

[frigid tinsel]

Nanif resisted getting reborn, hence Wasteland Navigators with net

[keen shore]

OHHHH I MISREAD. I THOGUHT YOU MEANT THEY RESISTED GETTING CORRUPTED
through like sheer will power or whatever

[white junco]

I usually imagine skykids as being pretty hard to physically injure to begin with, they’re tough little critters and it takes a lot to damage their shells. most injuries would be lost through rebirth but uh something something darkness (i still haven’t worked out all the details yet) might end up leaving scars or other injuries on a skykids soul/light rather than just their bodies

[frigid tinsel]

well, skykids could resist getting corrupted. Nanif tried corrupting Amander but Amander managed to stop the process before it went too far. shattered their leg and almost died to do so.

[native shoal]

Wasteland navigators I am holding the idea gently

[keen shore]

exactly the outcome I would expect from them interacting honestly

[native shoal]

Especially because I remember accidentally taking the safest possible route to the wasteland temple as a moth lol, I got that first spirit and cut through shipwreck/crab fields since that barrier only requires one spirit

[keen shore]

just leaving stealthy survivor in the dust like that smh

[native shoal]

I know right

[frigid tinsel]

yea, I think it would be incredibly difficult to physically harm a skykid. consider how they can crash into solid objects at high speeds and just shake it off. at most they might be able to get shallow scraps. I don't even think skykids can feel pain like us mortal beings do.

what could possibly hurt a skykid severely is darkness since it feeds on light. when attacked by krill & crabs or hit by corrupted darkstone, they lose light, which I view as the darkness using such force to break open the skids' shells. light comes pouring out. I liken krill attacks to "biting" so skids attacked by krill could have puncture wounds. the flying boulders in Eden also take light, so they may have a layer of darkness on them that makes wounds. skykids only feel pain when afflicted by darkness.

I like to think that as long as skykids have light, they can heal themselves quickly. a shattered shell reforms. a scrap heals over. but if their flame is out and they're out of winged light, the magic can't heal them, then they start sustaining wounds or parts of them shatter.

tl;dr – skykids are op unless darkness hurts them

[keen shore]

imagining a big obvious corrupted looking scar…
I don’t think a skykid would last too long after rebirth if they had a crack in their body, just because it would be constantly leaking and put their light in danger, but you know what would be neat to imagine? Because of an old injury, whenever a skykid gets low on flame to heal themselves with, their body starts physically cracking apart and crumbling in some places.

[foggy lotus]

give me 10 or so minutes

[white junco]

oh this has me thinking about. the crumbling skykids right before the wl hallway in eden

:(

[keen shore]

Ok Alasdair. Hear me out.

• skykid gets low on flame due to dark water
• skykid gets attacked by krill, loses leg
• skykid reaches a candle cake and recharges, is able to reform their leg and recharge any light they may have lost.
• Original leg is still there. It hasn’t disappeared or anything, and due to the strong material it’s made out of, it doesn’t shatter easily.
• Rinse and repeat and you have yourself an Infinite Leg Duplication Glitch

[frigid tinsel]

Amander would do this

[white junco]

what would you do with infinite legs?

[keen shore]

mysterious amounts of skykid legs have been piling up in the forest elder dimension recently and no one knows why

[white junco]

woe, leg be upon ye

[frigid tinsel]

Naihho: uh what you go there?
Amander with an armload of 14 legs: a smoothie

[sharp lichen]

hello my name is Jorm King’Krill Many-Eyed Worm and i have long black hair that covers my face and

[keen shore]

I am glad to know that me and them apparently think the same way

skykid gets mad that spirits won’t allow them access to pots to carry things around, so they use their own hollow broken off limbs as bags. this concerns every spirit who sees it but all the skykids consider it as a totally normal and logical step

[white junco]

this means it would be totally possible for a skykid to be armed with an arm

[frigid tinsel]

okay now that I'm back at my computer – I have been thinking about those skids. what if they're the bodies of skykids who have already been ascended?

after dying, the shell protects their soul, but the post-death scene that starts ascension shows a lot of winged light-like skids bursting out of their petrified forms. they leave their physical bodies behind. with no light within them, the shells are weakened and shatter.

so those skykids pre-stormlock were already ascended. they're fine.

[sharp lichen]

Should we go with the angst or fluff route?

[foggy lotus]

this image immidiately popped in my head and i just had to

[white junco]

hm… what about the ones with the blue crystals?

[frigid tinsel]

it's part of why I think in-universe the bodies in stormlock change because the ascended skykids' physical bodies eventually break down in the harsh conditions while new skykids get petrified in various places.

[keen shore]

OOOO IT LOOKS SO GOOD. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I ENVISIONED TY

[frigid tinsel]

I don't know. we don't see a lot of those blue crystals anywhere else except the two in Ceasing Commodore's spirit memories – one growing off the wall of a cave and one atop of the nearby tower. which they only take and collect. I'm not sure what I make out of those crystals given we don't see them often enough and never know what they were used for.

[noble ferry]

seems leg-it

[keen shore]

here you get a sticker for that pun ⭐

[shadow hare]

Sooo sorry hate to interrupt the conversation, but is there an alternative name for Megabird? Or do we only refer to them as that?

[keen shore]

pssstttt.. darked stone

[frigid tinsel]

Megabird is Megabird. could refer to Them as a god but

[keen shore]

some people just refer to them as “The Light” but I personally don’t think they’re synonymous terms. Man, we really need a better name for them other than Large Bird, huh?

[white junco]

it's very unclear if The Light refers to Megabird, Orbit, or some mixture of both yeah

[raw crypt]

some people like to call megabird megan :]

[frigid tinsel]

I like to think that The Light is the collective hivemind of all beings of light that are ascended inside it while Megabird is a manifestation or the consciousness of the Light working on the Light's behalf.

[white junco]

we could probably come up with one, but in the end that name would probably reflect the coiner's interpretation of megabird and the Light & I know not everyone has the exact same views on them

[keen shore]

that’s fair… plus it would just be a massive hassle in terms of telling everyone who wasn’t there for the original conversation what the name means

[white junco]

we already have to do that enough with megabird