lore-discussion-spoilers

[rigid mural]

they definitely do;
uncannily similar to ancestors yet different ? check
tiny winged creatures ? check
strong link to the natural world ? check
mischievous ? check

[frigid tinsel]

Yea that’s what I was thinking. To ancestors, skykids are fairies for all the reasons Vela listed. Also skykids do prob resemble ancestor children, perhaps for the ancestors’ sake (no biblically accurate angel fearmongering here), but perhaps to them skids would seem a bit off-putting for how similar yet not quite facsimiles of ancestor children.

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, Skykids fit the definition of being Færæįs

[keen shore]

I have a theory a lot like this, but without the trauma part, just with death. Darkness plants can feed off spirit memories, [happens in slumbering shipwrights memory] which might be similar, but they do it to the good, neutral, and bad ones, not just the traumatic ones.

These jars often store butterflies and/or tiny orbs of light — we see this in the prairie cutscene and in the jars in the Underforest that boost us up to the ledge. If there were butterflies trapped inside and they died, it would fit my theory :+)

[ember elbow]

glad i could validate that, its a vibe.

because theyre definitely death butterfly plants

[rigid mural]

"but without the trauma part"
tearful light miner

[tranquil harbor]

I think the only difference between skids and fair folk are that skids don't trick you into debts you can't pay in hopes of keeping you against your will. They give gifts freely, and if you try to give them gifts (spirits trees) they give you gifts back anyway.

Also, I will forever laugh at the thought of sky kids being slightly off ancestor kids to ancestors, but like, in the way that's like if you mixed a cute child with the lovability of a puppy. 'all the hugs for these weird puppy children'

[ember elbow]

so many deaths in that tiny room tho

although, death is a trauma itself

[unreal shuttle]

They don’t look like clocks, I know a lil about this timed events and I thought I was exaggerating about this stones a bit but what I didn’t know is that they were related

[white junco]

so true, you try to give your friend a heart and no matter how hard you try you can’t stop them from sending one back

[keen shore]

I mean, trauma is in there, but it’s not really related to the darkness plants. My full theory is that they feed on light and death releases the easiest accessible version of it, as well as spirit memories being easy for them to latch on too, which would explain why the darkness plants grow on the dead people

[tranquil harbor]

If you're in person, expect them to leave/walk to the home stone and see 'friend sent u heart' even if u refuse

[frigid tinsel]

Oh that reminds me, I was at Isle the other day and decided to relive that lightseeker’s memory (don’t remember their name) and Rejecting Voyager is there. Only in the last part of their memory do dark plants sprout from them. Thought you’d like to see.

[rigid mural]

PIGGYBACK LIGHTSEEKER

[white junco]

i like the unknown spirit they look almost like they’re using sassy stance sometimes

[keen shore]

They also kidnap you if given the chance and take you to a realm you’ll never want to leave (orbit). You can technically also say that you shouldn’t eat any food they give you as well, but that would probably be more due to them being really awful at cooking than magical stuff

[rigid mural]

did you know you couldn't see them until you freed the previous lightseekers ?
maybe this could help putting a timeline on how the lightseekers progressed

[white junco]

WAIT WHAT

VELA IM SHAKING YOU WDYM

[unreal shuttle]

Thinking about fairies when butterflies comes to recharge you sometime sounds like a small giggle, maybe they are not butterflies and they are instead fairies? I guess will never know

[tranquil harbor]

is it like how the belonging's family worked? or is it still like that today?

[rigid mural]

-is shaken by spade-
i think i was pretty clear

[white junco]

going wild was piggyback the only one that required a specific order

[sharp lichen]

This has incredible ramifications that prove that Lightseekers exist in the same time as the period of Rejecting Voyager, which is probably mid-Isle.

[formal skiff]

Salemmm your idea that lightseekers are from isle has more support

[keen shore]

Yeah! This is one of the reasons that I thought darkness plants sprouted over spirit memories rather than being part of the subjects, although maybe in order to represent an ancestor being seeded/infected the darkness plants only have to show up once for game convenience? Idk. Interestingly enough, one of shipwright’s spirit memories is overtaken by darkness and you have to burn the plant to light it; it looks really similar to the “gather this spirit’s memories” fragments, implying that those might be more decayed versions of the follow quests,

[tranquil harbor]

I thought Salem's thing was that Enchantment was from isle?

[white junco]

sassy stance unknown spirit

[tranquil harbor]

Wait, is that the miner from Rejecting Voyager's original memory?

[keen shore]

my theory is that enchantment is from isle and lightseekers are from Forest but travel throughout the realms :}

[rigid mural]

might need a lightseeker vet or older to confirm, but iirc you wouldn't be able to see piggyback until you relived the memories of all the other lightseekers; keep in mind that back then, a new spirit was revealed regularly within a season (unlike all at once like nowadays), maybe it simply means that they were the last to be revealed.
But maybe they really did require the other lightseeker memories to be relived before being available...

[frigid tinsel]

Here are the other pics of their memories. Do you think the third unknown spirit here is the miner in Rejecting Voayger’s memories? They look similar.

[formal skiff]

Oh oops got them mixed up, my apologies

[white junco]

phone is dying but about the lightseekers and isle i think this mural could potentially be predicting the lightseekers or at least the boat thing ok bye lorechat

[keen shore]

I sat here thinking “you didn’t already know this?” And then realized that I totally forgot to share that theory with you guys like, at all

[formal skiff]

Thank you

[rigid mural]

noooo spade i was gonna check the wiki for you, i want to talk about lightseekers more :(

[frigid tinsel]

This boat thing

Another way you could see that mural is showing off how important ancestors considered light, and by proxy candles, to be

[rigid mural]

@white junco

[keen shore]

Rejecting voyager shows up in stargazer’s spirit memory and in the prophecy murals next to the king, implying they existed at the same time,
Cross reference that with them being in piggyback lightseeker’s memory and what the lightseekers do (look for light in a world rapidly becoming more and more barren of it) and you get the general idea that everything with the king happened after the stars fell, and that they were supposed to fix it and failed

[formal skiff]

Y-you’re right-
Oh man… that makes our existence as Sky kids even sadder…

[frigid tinsel]

Skykids were plan b

[unreal shuttle]

Aaah I’m loosing it I need a full resume

[covert carbon]

Im eating
Reeeses puffs

[sharp lichen]

I had an idea that Skykids were the plan thought of by the Elders, while the King’s plan of using darkstone wasn’t that supported

[unreal shuttle]

Eat them up, eat them up

[covert carbon]

Got Reese’s puffs in my bowl 🎵

[formal skiff]

And look at us. We’ve been there for a few years now. And what have we done? Ascended some spirits, restored a few structures, but there’s always more to do and we’ve caught ourselves in the endless, vicious cycle of Eden. What now? Who will come to save us?

[keen shore]

personally I believe that piggyback lightseeker was the first to be alive [in canon, I just like headcanoning them as all alive at the same time, but that doesn’t have as much evidence] and as you go through the realms the lightseekers there just get more and more desperate for light as time progresses

[sharp lichen]

Nobody. The Sky world has stopped itself from changing, and that’s wonderful. The world is finally at balance.

[frigid tinsel]

Perhaps sykids are only sent down when things go wrong that impede the light cycle in some shape or form. If the future king was sent down to fix the whole stars falling problem. Current gen skykids being sent down to save spirits trapped by darkness and perhaps stop the whole Eden Storm

[keen shore]

Child labor

[frigid tinsel]

Megabird not a good parent

[rigid mural]

i need my thing that puts all the intros on a timeline

[keen shore]

this is just making the thought process of trying to fix things with cool light rocks more logical. I mean, yeah they destroy the environemnt, but at least they aren’t children yknow

[tranquil harbor]

Megabird is the worst mom ever

Yeah, I keep thinking the sky kids really are like ferrymen, and the spirits are apart of the cycle. You're bringing spirits up whenever they're ready, and then they go back down, where sky kids keep the cycle

[white junco]

found a phone charger, eating this

[unreal shuttle]

Wait I think I get it, the plan a were the light seekers, they looking for the light in the realms, since they fail everyone died and then they send skids

[formal skiff]

This isn’t balance. it’s only a different deadly cycle. In Eden, we save each other, but even if we save all of the petrified Sky kids there, when we lose our last fragment of light, we become a statue. And someone else has to come and save us. And now nothing has improved.

[tranquil harbor]

Like, daily quest often have us reliving spirit memories. What if that's the spirit being ready to go again, and thus our skid is asked to help them out?

Like, maybe the daily quests have more going on than the simplicity for the players' sakes. What if, for example, the sapling quest is the skids helping the light seekers care for the sapling?

[covert carbon]

Is there any hopeful ending for this?

[frigid tinsel]

Lightseekers seem to be tasked with looking for light and sharing said light with others. Still unsure of their whole lore.

If the stars falling was a pre-king event, perhaps lightseekers were tasked to find those fallen stars, one of which turned out to be an early skychild.

[rigid mural]

the ancestors likely survibed whatever made the stars fall

[unreal shuttle]

I think you already know the answer

[sharp lichen]

But nothing has worsened either. One notable aspect of children is their lack of influence in the wider world, and Skykids are a representation of it. The Eden cycle isn’t deadly for us at all, far from it. If Skykids were given more power and influence over the world, it would only be a matter of time before they would abuse it.

This is the ending of Sky. The world won’t change after this.

[unreal shuttle]

I always thought star falling means the ancestors that literally fell from the sky

[frigid tinsel]

The Eden cycle isn’t deadly for us at all, far from it.

[keen shore]

Headcanon about darkness plants I forgot to post earlier: The spores can sneak into and under the skin via any orifice, including inhalation or them getting into water sources and entering the body that way. They’re like an opportunitic infection: they lay dormant until they sense the host dying or getting weak, because their host’s inner light keeps them back, but when that light fades, they burst out all at once, oftentimes killing the host [if they aren’t dead already] and consume the light released upon death.

[white junco]

skykids don’t need to use up natural resources to survive. they’re not gonna break the world they’re all kind of scarred by the world

[tranquil harbor]

It's deadly but the sky kids don't stay dead, so it's not like, deadly deadly.

[sharp lichen]

Counterpoint: when was the last time a Skykid permanently died due to the Eden cycle? We always come back.

[formal skiff]

Ohhhhhh I love that so much

[covert carbon]

( not a great theorist here but) I think baudshaw has a point tho, It looks like we are helping some areas heal (like enchantment!)

[tranquil harbor]

Something straight out of a horror film

[formal skiff]

Oh yes Baudshaw is arguing his point well. I just enjoy pushing the sad side of Sky sometimes.

[unreal shuttle]

Maybe that what’s caused krills existence, if you remember last abyss mission…

[covert carbon]

Salem that is HORRIFYING thank you

[rigid mural]

you got the impression we come back the same person because a trip to eden doesnt fundamentally change you, the player

cant say the same about sky kids tho, given how it basically repeats how you first came here

[frigid tinsel]

The skykids are only revived when given light, much like skykids using their flames to save petrified spirits. If light wasn’t given, they would all stay dead. Ancestors are lucky to have skykids. Skykids are lucky to have other skykids. Otherwise the Eden cycle wouldn’t be a cycle.

[keen shore]

Everyone always says this… until the next disaster happens

[tranquil harbor]

that's if you believe the light they hug is winged light. Many people believe that light child is the king/eden elder and/or our child is freeing themself

[covert carbon]

I think it might be ourselves since it’s height changes depending on ours!

[frigid tinsel]

Yes but that is still light. If there were no light, winged light or Eden Elder/king’s light, the skids would stay dead, littering stormlock with their petrified corpses.

[sharp lichen]

Even if they’re fundamentally changed, they don’t die or move on. The population of Skykids never decrease, thanks to the fortunate balance of the world. And yes Alasdair, if that would’ve happened then Skykids would suffer a worse fate. But it doesn’t happen. It’s a fortunate balance

[keen shore]

Not with that attitude.

[white junco]

ok but. in all honesty. how would that work. why are we sacrificing winged light to the other skykid statues if they supposedly meet the same fate as us in eden, when they could just hug the king and ascend. never understood that bit

[rigid mural]

Fair point, though I do wanna point out you die in eden, just not permanently i guess

[tranquil harbor]

The way you're selling this honestly sounds less like 'fortunate balance' and more like 'stagnation'

[frigid tinsel]

[insert angsty permadeath headcanons here]

[unreal shuttle]

I think it is us, we are darkness until we got some light, light cants exist without darkens and so

[frigid tinsel]

Yea, we give winged light to our petrified peers before dying ourselves. Why isn’t it so far fetched that some other skykid gave our own petrified statue their winged light, ascending is?

[tranquil harbor]

It's possible the other children didn't have the strength to get to that light, and thus became stuck. Us giving them winged light gives them that strength.

Either way I don't think the light child is a winged light. Literally no winged light in the game behaves that way. It doesn't even look like that, since winged light is usually shiny and glowy. The light child is just... that color I guess? They seem to glow but they like, don't, so I don't know how to explain it

[keen shore]

It could be kinda like how we can ‘awaken’ spirits by giving them a bit of light but only enough for them to like… break out of their shells and ascend, we just require more. Canonically I do believe you’re right, but in terms of headcanons, >:3

There are some things that have been making me rethink over this idea recently, though.

[unreal shuttle]

Or a meaningless eternity fate

[frigid tinsel]

I think of that light child as what winged light manifests into while in limbo or within us, paired with our soul — it’s our ultimate gift to other skykids, so the winged light we receive is ours now. It conforms to us because it is ours, hence why the light child is always the same height as us.

[sharp lichen]

I do think an eternity of eternal youth and a lack of change helps the Sky world. No corrupted alliances or destructive technological tactics, just children playing dress-up, meeting new friends, and frolicking about.

[white junco]

why are we cooler than the other skykids? sky is not the story of one. it’s the story of many, many souls trying to save a kingdom. doesn’t it mean more if we’re all saving each other?

[frigid tinsel]

i believe the futility we face in Eden is one of skykids' own making. whatever skykids were originally supposed to do in Eden is up to debate, yet they aren't strong enough to make it to the center without dying. skykids could just buff themselves up with light and charge on past their fellow peers' corpses get to the center, but they have such a love for each other that they can't help but give up their own light to save their petrified friends, weakening themselves so they they will ultimately succumb to the darkness in the point of no return. this leaves more bodies for other skykids to save, weakening themselves in turn, dying, and sustaining the cycle.

[tranquil harbor]

The flying sky kids on the way to orbit are tagged with the names on your friend constellations. It's possible that, canonically, sometimes your kid has the strength (when we're playing in eden, it always plays out this scenario) but other times they become fallen.
I still theorize that we as players do not get to see what a fallen child sees obtaining a winged light

[keen shore]

This little tidbit has been making me rethink it, as well as the fact that they actually Move and do not glow yellow unlike the WL we find around — also, the fact that when we hug them, they turn into the light beam that ascends us. I’m not sure though, it’s one of those things that I feel like I need more evidence on to be convinced either way, because there’s evidence for both sides

[white junco]

wait is my skykid sneaking out at night to go to eden

[unreal shuttle]

I like to think el are somehow footprints of the prince (before he got corrupted and become the king) and that wl is the prince, that as the same time is us but since we and the prince/king come from the mega bird are also the same (that’s also a theory?

[keen shore]

Wdym? Ennarcia’s idea and us all saving each other aren’t mutually exclusive. We might need the extra bit of light to wake up on limbo to begin with

[tranquil harbor]

there was a weekly poll that gave the option of your skid unwinding after a day by star gazing in prairie. In theory, in their verse they have lives and experiences that we only see a small part of

[formal skiff]

Exactly. Imagine you’re a moth. Your friend has told you they’ll be gone for a while, that they’re making the world a better place, that they’re saving people, but that they aren’t sure when they’ll be back. You nod tentatively and hug then.

Days pass. More days. You’re scared. You come to a dark, polluted desert and you don’t want to cross it without them. But eventually it becomes clear that you must. When, after much pain and a harsh exposure to the terrors of corruption, you make it through and travel up the dreamy library tower, you come to a thunder-shaken door. You look into it and knowing instinctively that this is where your friend is trapped.

After long hours staring at the entrance, shaking, walking forward and then losing your courage, you finally enter. The pain here is nearly unbearable. You didn’t imagine that anything could be worse than the wasteland, but you were wrong. You reach the statues and you understand.

Traveling carefully and protecting your light, you look for the fractured stone that you know holds your friend’s soul captive. You’re losing light, though, and you’re not sure how much longer you can make it.

Finally, you see them. You shake with joy and terror as you plunge forward across a rock-battered stretch of water, towards your long-missing friend. You’re so close- you nearly reach them- and a rock strikes, tearing the last of your light from you before you can save them.

Your friend is trapped. You’re trapped. And you have no way of knowing when you’ll be free.

There’s no way that’s not traumatizing.

[frigid tinsel]

When we hug the light child, they appear to morph into us or we absorb them. It could then be winged light because after that we get our cape back.

[unreal shuttle]

Childrens play yes, and cleaning up some how the corruption that make all population die elders made yes

[tranquil harbor]

However, a single winged light only gives us a single flap, but we get 5 by hugging the light child

[frigid tinsel]

We are also in limbo, physics and magic system mechanics could act differently there than out in the world.

[white junco]

we also don’t have a body from that point onward. so weird stuff is already happening

[tranquil harbor]

We stop being in limbo when we fly for orbit, and we still have 5 flaps

@white junco shouldn't u be charging your phone?

[white junco]

i do think something weird is going on in eden limbo but i don’t think it’s the king. they’re gone

[rigid mural]

I meant different as in a skykid in present days might not be the same as the one they were pre-reincarnation, but ow

[sharp lichen]

Would it be like sweeping the floor for them? Like chores

[white junco]

yeah i am what about it

[keen shore]

I am going to be That person. Technically, that light kid could be both our wl/soul AND the king if you’re not a coward /hj

[frigid tinsel]

It actually depends on how much wing buffs you had. My current wing buffs total me to 7 wings, so in limbo after hugging the light child, I get 7 flaps. When I was a moth, I only had 1 that steadily increased the more wing buffs leveled me up.

[flint bolt]

Okay, timeline theory

[tranquil harbor]

I thought it meant u were leaving (or that your phone was over heating and melting? One of those) and was worried about u

[keen shore]

ey are typing from the refrigerator

[unreal shuttle]

How would orbit looks like before Sky children exist? Would spirits conscience of it existence or only elders? And if they would now about it why they would like to go there if there nothing up there?

[tranquil harbor]

So we give up our wing buffs from the spirits in eden, but once we hug the light child, we get them back? Is the light child mega bird reaching out for us?

[sharp lichen]

Timeline as in singular? If so, go ahead.

[flint bolt]

Timeline Theory:

The main game that we play is the very END of the sky timeline, and us walking around and vibing is just everyone collectively accepting that the world is gonna be permanently screwed.

[tranquil harbor]

If it's multiple timelines because of the tiktok comment, Ash clarified that was a typo and they meant time periods

[sharp lichen]

I agree with the first half, but not the second. I’d much rather live in the Sky world then the real world- it’s a wonderful place! No real needs or jobs, just do whatever you like and you’ll be fine (except auctioning owl hair accounts that is very not nice)

[frigid tinsel]

In game Orbit is referred to as the Light. I think of Orbit as the surface of the Light, where you are when you’re not within the Light. More on that here: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[flint bolt]

Agreed.
...
...
Except Eden. Eden can burn.

[formal skiff]

No real needs or jobs
We were literally sent to save the remnants of a destroyed civilization lol, but I know what you mean

[unreal shuttle]

I’m most agree with the last part, the world is gonna be permanent screwed

[covert carbon]

Being able to fly, make new friends Spin in circles for a bit with a stranger, the ideal life

[white junco]

oo and when you visit the elders in orbit they’re partially submerged in the water

[sharp lichen]

Eden is needed to teach the Skykid about the importance of failure and restarting life, even if it’s not the most comfortable place to be.

[tranquil harbor]

Honestly, we get asked to return the stars when we hit up the murals right? I wonder if the skids actually didn't have a purpose when they fell, and instead it's the ancestors/elders leaving a message asking the skids for help (which of course they do because it seems like the core component of skids is kindness and compassion)

[flint bolt]

I mean, did the Elders really think that sending children to Eden would just fix the "End of the World" problem?

Stupid.

[covert carbon]

If I wanted to learn to fail I’ll just go to crab dad spirit

[sharp lichen]

If I wanted to learn to fail I’ll go to you /j

[unreal shuttle]

We are not children, we look like children yes, but we are just machines made from the same mold

[covert carbon]

Also having white hair(?) would be SICK

[tranquil harbor]

That's not necessarily true

[flint bolt]

Mmm yes, small innocent child that fell from the sky, go to firey place to TURN TO STONE and P E R I S H

[white junco]

we are children? sky children? in a world with magic, you do not need to be organic to be alive

[keen shore]

Oh my god. The entire plot of Sky is just our skykid accepting side quests off camera

[sharp lichen]

We act quite similarly to children in many ways. And we are children, young offspring of the light. It’s in the name. Children of the Light.

[tranquil harbor]

Our skid had a whole quest they were doing but we got on right as they accepted a side quest

[rigid mural]

CAN I SAY I LOVE THE IDEA OF THE WATER ITSELF CONNECTING THINGS
i dont know if it was you or salem but the spirits springing from the water... a sea of memories and experience, the sum of every spirit making the entire kingdom's memory...

[frigid tinsel]

I don’t think the world is permanently screwed. If anything, skykids are active forces keeping darkness at bay, no matter how little they seem to the greater scheme of things. melting dark plants, saving spirits, individually are small but add up. Plus the Eden storm seems to be receding as the decreasing cloud cover unveiling new areas suggests.

[flint bolt]

I mean, it's called Sky: Children of the Light.

Not Sky: Molds of the Lights.

[formal skiff]

Hm, you mean we were an accident but got put to good use? /hj

[keen shore]

Sky: Molds of the Light is the alternate game where you play as a Skycheese

[vestal narwhal]

Maybe because Skykids help the Elders because you gotta respect your elders?

[tranquil harbor]

We might have just been there to be there. Like Megabird deciding to repopulate the kingdom (or we're baby elders and fell on accident just like they did) but then the ancestors/elders prepared for this and was like 'ok but can u do us a favor'

[unreal shuttle]

Okay let me correct this, we are children, but more than children

[white junco]

pulling out these slides from somewhere in the pins

[keen shore]

It was him! My idea was about light connecting things and darkness separating them :3 I can see how similar they’d be now that I am thinking abt it

[ember mica]

hey lore chat, does anyone have decently high quality pictures of all of the elders, i would take them myself but im lazy 💀

[covert carbon]

(I;m so confused, but I am so interested in this conversation rn please keep it up!)

[flint bolt]

okie

[formal skiff]

Interesting take! I wouldn’t have thought of it, but it’s kinda fun

[tranquil harbor]

Whoever asks for help 'foresaw our arrival' or whatever and prophecy proves they can see the future on some extent. We're also refered to as 'our children' by whoever gives the quest, so if it was the elders, we might really be baby elders. If it was the ancestors, there is a higher chance it was just symbolic (it could be symbolic if it was the elders too, but given how we arrived, baby elders is still possible)

[sharp lichen]

I’d argue that the Eden-Orbit sequence is so influential and brilliantly designed (minus the ascended candles) that it changes the player’s outlook on the Sky world, not just the Skykids.

[vestal narwhal]

Memory shared spell can make your skykid look like a memory, so does that mean most of the Elders is just a memory and reliving the past?

[tranquil harbor]

The elders look nothing like the spirits/memory candle skids. I don't think they're dead tbh

[keen shore]

the way the elders look before we recharge them remind me a Lot of how we look when our flames go out. I don’t know why they got to keep their hair and clothes when that happened tho, unfair

[olive yarrow]

Little theory about eden:

Eden used to be a mining site of those dangerous red stones.

Eden looked like ruins of a factory or some sort of industrial site.
These red stones can pack an absolutely powerful punch if you're not careful.

People back then may extract the power of those red stones.

But things maybe gone really really wrong and eden was long abandoned, and all that's left now is just an abandoned factory filled with riches of those powerful red stones

[formal skiff]

Right, the message after awakening Dawn is to go awaken the other elders. They weren’t dead like the Ancestors, merely dormant.

[rigid mural]

oh my god remember when we were talking about light being hyperfluid and darkness being against change, and in both case these properties can be beneficial but in excess it's harmful

[covert carbon]

Also In prairie, the elder is literally asleep!

[white junco]

the memory candles record memories. something happened that left imprints of the ancestors’ memories throughout the realms. but the elders? we actually interact with them. the non-transparent spirits, like the ones we saw during days of bloom? they’re actually there, and interacting with you in present time

[tranquil harbor]

I don't think they're fully snuffed out like when our kids are. Tbh, if our skids are baby elders, it's also possible aging changes how the species interacts with light. Elders may make less, but also have hardier lights that aren't as easily extinguished as a possible example/theory

[keen shore]

YEAH!!! I REALLU LIKE THAT IDEA STILL ESPECIALLY WHEN APPLIED TO LIGHT CREATIRES AND SKYKIDS BEING MIGRATORY BY NATURE

[formal skiff]

The DoB spirits were still translucent, possibly because they’re still dead, just returning to have fun with the skids

[frigid tinsel]

Can’t believe I’m missing this discussion cos the bloody power went out

[rigid mural]

To add onto this, in a days of bloom stream, ktjn said the DoB spirits are here in the present instead of the past !

[keen shore]

I agree with this. I think we recharge them a little when we light the candles in front of their shrines so they’re not completely gone, and THEN give them a bit more. This does have the unfortunate implication that all of them have been bald for years before we met them, but don’t worry about it

[white junco]

yeah i mean the difference between the spirit memories being see-through and all wavy and the spirits we see during DoB and after we free them from petrification

[formal skiff]

And TSs

[tranquil harbor]

Actually, jumping off this, it's possible that the elders looking as they do is what their lack of charge looks like. For skids, when we lose charge we have black stars on our cape. Elders don't have capes, but when we recharge them their clothes tend to get glowy decorations. So their recharge marker is different

[covert carbon]

Would reliving a spirits memory could be the same thing as the memory candle thingy?

[keen shore]

YES THIS IS WHAT I THINK TOO. I think you also heard my personal headcanon about them looking even more vibrant/similar to us when their light charge is full, which is basically an extension of this. the art vela drew of it made me Veyr happy :-]

[formal skiff]

And since they’re huge, they need more light than we can give to get all colorful again… (I’m taking your theory as canon Salem cause it’s awesome)

[tranquil harbor]

I've heard it yeah. I'm on your page

[covert carbon]

(Hi slink)

[keen shore]

fun fact the only reason I thought of it was because I was thinking “The valley elders don’t look fruity enough. If they were given the option to look less boring I think they would look super fancy and colorful like birds” and it snowballed from there

[rigid mural]

we need sky paradise birds

[covert carbon]

(What’s up with the arrow??? Is it like a redit?)

[raw crypt]

Elders directly interact with our skykids and spirits descend to greet us, their memory fragments are well, fragments rather than one full ‘recording’, so I don’t think any ancestor/elder is linked to memory candles

I imagine memory candles were like a video recording/camera technology! and now skykids now have their hands on, and because its a recording of something that just happened it’s technically a memory?

especially since it seems memories were important to ancestors given vaults existence of preserving information, and vault concepts talking about memories iirc

i am sick so my memory/thinking might be a little garbage HEHEHFHJF

AND HAIII

[tranquil harbor]

Ironically the Valley Elders are the elders who I think would want to be 'boring'. They're athletes, and their clothes and masks seem to be for function rather than aesthetic like the other elders

[keen shore]

it’s us agreeing with it :+)

[white junco]

yeah they’re practical but they’re also silly and deserve color!

[keen shore]

they’re like, functional but fancy at the same time. Also at least one of them is probably a performer hence need for fancy

[tranquil harbor]

I wonder if the skating statue is supposed to be one of the elders/both of them, or if it's just an ancestor

[frigid tinsel]

I thought of the statue in Dreams as built after the skater went viral

[tranquil harbor]

In one of skater's memories, Spinning Mentor is showing skater the statue and telling her a story about it. Might even be the first one

[white junco]

someone posted a really shaky video of them skating on youtube and now they’re everywhere

[keen shore]

I think it’s one of the elders :3 the pointy head is the same way they are depicted in murals and there are similar statues in the coliseum

[frigid tinsel]

Viral yea not the best word but I’m sort preoccupied with my electricity acting funky

[sharp lichen]

The Elders need DRIP

[frigid tinsel]

Oh hey my power is back

[keen shore]

the prospect of the dreams skater learning skating bc they were inspired b the elders combined with my fanfiction headcanon is just

[tranquil harbor]

I need to finish that fanfic

[flint bolt]

Aight, another Sky theory

Sky Theory #2:

The entirety of the sky world is on a huge frickin mountain.

Think about it. The Isle of Dawn is the bottom, and the rest of the levels is just a slow descent upwards!

[sharp lichen]

That would be a really weird mountain. But if Celeste does it, then so can Sky.

[keen shore]

Don’t you plummet into wasteland and are on the peaks of valley? Also how do you descend upwards

[frigid tinsel]

I think Valley of Triumph is on a mountain range that separates current Wasteland and Eden from the rest of the world but does depend on perspective

[tranquil harbor]

It's possible it's all a big mountain range. Valley is a peak, then you descend into wasteland, then travel up vault to Eden, the second peak

[flint bolt]

Bruh, no wonder they created the Wind Paths. They just needed an easier way to get around.

[formal skiff]

Imagining Teth’s dress as a deep blue with gold, green, or amber highlights and oh my gosh does that not sound STUNNING

[keen shore]

YEAH????????????? IT DOES I LOVE IT A LOT

[formal skiff]

Would absolutely wear that. No hesitation.

[covert carbon]

Elder drip!!
(Whoops didn’t mean to reply )

[formal skiff]

Maybe highlights the same color as their hair beads actually

[sharp lichen]

Now that I think of it, they have some weird similarities:
An abandoned city
A dreamlike area
An hidden city with a large diamond
A level that’s a culmination of your past experiences

[covert carbon]

True!!
-Ghosts
-Some kind of library (?)
-Made me cry at least twice

[sharp lichen]

Don’t forget trans people having incredible acrobatic abilities

[frigid tinsel]

my knees hurt from reading that sentence

[formal skiff]

My acrobatic abilities are decent at best, probably average-mediocre

[keen shore]

Untrue stereotype, I am trans and cry if I have to run more than 20m consecutively

[covert carbon]

I could do a solid front flip on a trampoline (yes I AM bragging)

[formal skiff]

Worship time my friends. It only takes three people to start a religion…. /j

[sharp lichen]

I am not trans (haven’t gotten around to finish Celeste), and my acrobatic abilities are miserable. I do hope finishing Celeste and getting Mellow Musician clothes can help me with this

[formal skiff]

You think Mellow Musician will turn you trans?

[flint bolt]

Crab

[keen shore]

I will say no, specifically because if performance guide couldn’t do it on their own, neither could mellow musician

[formal skiff]

Teamwork time

[frigid tinsel]

Mellow Musician and Performance guide were prob made with us queer blokes in mind, like Cackling Cannoneer

[covert carbon]

Love the idea that mellow just takes a nap whenever and wherever

[white junco]

pioneer made me trans, different spirits resonate with different people

[sharp lichen]

The first four letters of Mellow Musician? Mell. You know what else starts with Mell? Melli, the best character in videogame history. Madeline Celeste, Melli Pokémon, and Musician Sky combined will help me.

[frigid tinsel]

Baud if you want to be trans so bad, yknow you just... can?

[formal skiff]

Spite made me trans. I’m only half joking (spite jumpstarted my realization of un-cisness).

[tranquil harbor]

Melli Pokemon is one of the worst video game characters in history bruh

[covert carbon]

I just realized my Snapple tea was expired 2/3 through the bottle

Am I going to die?

[keen shore]

[scribbling down notes] ok noted

[white junco]

it will be on the test

[flint bolt]

Can I eat the empty can?

[sharp lichen]

Heathen. Melli is the king, queen, and non-binary machine of this world.

[rigid mural]

teth snatched my gender but if it werent for them then performance guide would have finished the job anyway

[covert carbon]

It’s a plastic bottle, but It’s not empty yet!!

[flint bolt]

Can I consume you as a replacement?

[covert carbon]

No 💜

[tranquil harbor]

We like Zephophine too much. You can eat Baudshaw

[flint bolt]

nu
i wuv baudshaw

[white junco]

can’t believe all my favorite spirits have “just a guy energy”

• laidback pioneer
• pointing candlemaker
• stretching lamplighter

[sharp lichen]

I need to finish Celeste first. Isn’t it a requirement or something?

[keen shore]

Loading screen tip: Different spirits have different effects on different people. One that has no effect on you may have the capability of making your friends think suspiciously trans thoughts

[tranquil harbor]

They're an annoying narcissist who was willing to let Lord Electrode suffer because they were delusional

[white junco]

can i please get a waffle

[flint bolt]

Loading Screen Tip: Walk forward to walk forward.

[raw crypt]

i need to find out what the connecting factor is with my fave spirits

[keen shore]

list them and I may be able to help

[tranquil harbor]

the most useful tip of all

[covert carbon]

Tell us wha your favs are!!

[rigid mural]

oh my god

[flint bolt]

OwO waffle
🧇

[white junco]

Tip: use the morph ball to morph into a ball

[keen shore]

All my favorite spirits are either semi feral and/or just need a hug and some soup really badly

[sharp lichen]

They were a shy child, and decided to help Adaman in any way possible, even if it meant taking care of the most dangerous Pokémon they had. Melli stans rise up

[rigid mural]

silly blorbo
jinx the black cat

[covert carbon]

I like Pokémon, I don’t knoe anything but I have a wishiwashi and I loove him dearly (his name is Sammy:) )

[raw crypt]

ah the connecting trait
internet nonsense…
blorbo (storyteller)
scrunkly (scarecrow)
poor meow meow (h)

[covert carbon]

I diagnose you with: silly fella!!

[raw crypt]

spirits r just funny guys to me …

[keen shore]

now that I think about I think my connecting factor might just be “spirits that make you sad if you think about their backstory for too long”

[raw crypt]

ALSO ME
i am normal abt yhe spirits i like and think normal amounts abt their stories

[white junco]

thinks many thoughts about candlemaker

[frigid tinsel]

Sneaky Survivor didn't really survive if you think about it

[keen shore]

I feel bad for laughing at this.

[white junco]

fainting warrior… holding them gently

[covert carbon]

Waow I am in misery!!

All of my favs are all friend shaped, but all of the spirits are friend shaped to me so I can’t tell!!!

[frigid tinsel]

every spirit has strong friend potential

[flint bolt]

I feel like the only useful elder is the wasteland one.

Like seriously, what did the others even do after they died? Sit in a empty void doing nothing for thousands of years?

[frigid tinsel]

that's what Wasteland Elder did too, yknow

[covert carbon]

They are doing their best thank you very much!

[rigid mural]

the gender spirit is performance guide because i too wanna be a fruity masc bird with poor sleep schedule

[sharp lichen]

None of them did anything after they died, tbh.

And don’t discredit the other elders: the vault cutscene shows them doing pretty important jobs

[white junco]

“i love the starlight desert” i say while crying my eyes out

[flint bolt]

Mmm yes, lemme wait for a glowly child to show up so I can play with their flaming play-do

[covert carbon]

Like a solid 3/4 of that is how I picture you

[ember mica]

you guys talked about trans people without ME ? /j

[frigid tinsel]

that's why I have two skykid OCs, not one.
really more of "I tried to make one self-insert and it turned into two now we have Amander and Naihho running about in my ficverse"

[rigid mural]

i hope its not because of the poor sleep schedule

[keen shore]

laidback pioneer is either one of two things:

• Pretty young, still feels a little like a teenager even though they’re definitely older than that. Does not know how to drive a boat and still panics when they have to order their own food.
• Single parent who has gotten divorced twice and has nothing but pickles and a single slice of bread in their refrigerator at home

There is no in between.

[rigid mural]

oh man why is it 4am suddendly

[ember mica]

i’m like a rabid dog barking and growling at the mention of gender. anyways performance guide IS SO GENDER IM OUGHHHHHH

[keen shore]

my sibling in light you stay up until 4AM

[covert carbon]

The 1/4 is more crab than bird

[sharp lichen]

Valley Elders have nothing else to do in their limbo of theirs

[rigid mural]

WHEEZES

[frigid tinsel]

I mean, look at that lad. my gosh

[covert carbon]

WHERE did you get that art!!!!

[raw crypt]

i got distarcted by storyteller a billion blowksisesiies for storyetler

[ember mica]

there’s not a straight nor neurotypical spirit in this photo

[rigid mural]

THE EVER
I JUST WANNA TALK TO THEM

[white junco]

do we even have any of those

[frigid tinsel]

the sky wikia page for Season of Performance

[rigid mural]

performance guide i love you but im having trouble figuring out the mask, help me

[ember mica]

neurotypical cishets don’t exist in the sky universe. it’s true my dad works for tgc he told me

[sharp lichen]

Stagehand. King. Queen. Non-binary Machine. Forget Melli, you’re the best character in fiction. What a lad

[raw crypt]

i think its from the netease servers they usually add special effects to the promo art ! lemme see if i can find it

[frigid tinsel]

fun fact: devs have confirmed that nobody in sky has a gender so technically everyone's agender aka nonbinary

[keen shore]

that piece of art was one of the driving forces behind my inability to see the performance spirits as anything but a drama class and their teacher. All the spirits look s much shorter than the guide

[tranquil harbor]

the gold bits continue and drop off the mask. The gold bits at the bottom mimic their bangs the same way the top mimics their hair poofs

[rigid mural]

yeah yeah but my problem is half muscle memory half THE MASK LOOKING DIFFERENT IN PROMO ART AND INGAME

[tranquil harbor]

Really? They look the same to me Maybe it's the same reason skids have mitten hands?

[rigid mural]

YEAH THAT LIKE INGAME THE MASK COVERS THE CHIN

[covert carbon]

YEAH LIKE???

[ember mica]

every time i see this art i hear “welcome to my house. as you can see i’ve knocked over many chairs because i get so tilted at the towers”

[tranquil harbor]

It covers the chin in promo art too. But this art is very dark around that area so you gotta enlarge it

[white junco]

eyebrows look longer in the promo too

[keen shore]

I think it’s perspective. The mask only goes to just below the nose, but the perspective of the beak specifically makes it look like it’s blocking more

[covert carbon]

“Well you see it’s a gamer-

[frigid tinsel]

oh yea the golden eyebrows in promo are more horizontal than they are in game but that's all I see

[ember mica]

personally whenever i draw that mask in my art, since my art is pretty subjective and stylized so i always make the golden feathers HUGE and the eyes big and funky

[tranquil harbor]

Sometimes stuff in promo art gets fancified for the vibe. Like, none of the spirits wear the pendants, but in the art they do

[keen shore]

just noticed that modest dancer is doing the gay hand thing

[raw crypt]

sometimes the pics get expanded a lot (prophecy for example) but performance stayed relatively similar (heres the image if anyone wanted!)

[frigid tinsel]

Was looking for an in-game pic to compare but it looks like they’re eating their hand instead of tapping their chin

[rigid mural]

please help me

[ember mica]

vela i’m eating ur art srs

[frigid tinsel]

skykids don't emulate the mask correctly

[rigid mural]

if you guys catch ash, can you do me a favor and ask them for me how the mask works

[covert carbon]

Vela that drawing looks SO crisp do you have like a sketch layer under or is that like bam

[ember mica]

i guess you could say we’re trying to see what the mask is. what the point of the mask is.

[rigid mural]

babe i use paint

[tranquil harbor]

In game the nose of the mask is more hooked. It really might be a case of the spirits lacking fingers. The art shows the truth and the game is just... is off model the right word?

Vela over here flexing on people with their paint skills

[keen shore]

I see a difference in perspective (7/8 vs profile) that might be causing the issue? And a further down forehead stop on the top one, but that might be covered by bangs and so be inaccurate

[tranquil harbor]

y'all want me to hop on and grab mask pics of my skid?

[rigid mural]

used a red line so it's clearer but on the art you can see the questgiver's chin

[frigid tinsel]

maybe it's like with some of the Rhythm masks that don't cover the mouth perhaps so they could be heard easier?

[ember mica]

usually for my designs i glance at the reference once or twice and then go off of what i remember, so that the final product gives a little bit of artistic liberty and freedom on my part. that’s why my prophecy guide design is so stylized, geometric and funky

[tranquil harbor]

no, the mask goes a bit lower than that. There is navy blue that cuts off into black between their shirt. the black is their chin/neck, the navy is the mask

[covert carbon]

Everything is cool until you draw this fella front view

[rigid mural]

ingame the mask covers the chin and whole face tho

[keen shore]

ah yes. so they could be… heard easier… yeah

[tranquil harbor]

I need a fresh pic of that to edit

[covert carbon]

How do you front view this theatre bird i am THIS CLOSE

[frigid tinsel]

Oh yea the mask does cover the whole face on a skid

[covert carbon]

Cool jacket!

[frigid tinsel]

"the lore is open to interpretation" so perhaps Performance guide's mask is as well?

[tranquil harbor]

@rigid muralMy hands aren't as steady as yours, obviously, but-

[ember mica]

if you get too close to the guide it’ll start looking like the frame where the anime character goes insane /lh

[raw crypt]

i havent worn this mask yet actually now i wanna its cool (also yeah i snagged some pics while i was on HNDHDH)

[frigid tinsel]

thanks, I got it from the Bumbling Boatswain from Season of Abyss. it is the most dapper cape coat I've ever see bar Performance Guide's

[ember mica]

here’s a straight on pic of the mask on the guide 👍

[covert carbon]

The Performance jacket has NO business looking that good

[rigid mural]

i draw birds regularly

[frigid tinsel]

oh they looking cute

[white junco]

performance jacket for having broad shoulders

[covert carbon]

Vela you are added to the list of people that I would share my pretzels with, thank you

[rigid mural]

i'd give you some waffles in return

[keen shore]

They look all intimidating until you see them from the front,

[covert carbon]

Like real birds!

[keen shore]

I am curious why performance guide got assigned a penguin specificsally. Do performers get to pick their favorite bird randomly or is there a system??

[covert carbon]

Chickens exist on a different plane of existence, the rules apply but only because they let you

[rigid mural]

oh my god i found worse

[ember mica]

IM GOING CRAZY

[keen shore]

please draw spinning mentor with this face please please please please I need it. also do not feel like I’m actually like pressuring you to do this I am just losing my mind

[covert carbon]

SOBBING

[rigid mural]

maybe it has to do with the way they work ? flighted birds = traveling artist, flightless (or close) = sedentary artist ?

[frigid tinsel]

ikr Performance guide looks so amazingly awesome it's almost an affront to look at them as though it'll ruin their glory but then they're so friendly and they're cheering on the skids and I remember someone's headcanon that they stand in the audience so no skid performs to any empty seat and they're so sweet and cool and I may have high fived them several time after the third quest.

[rigid mural]

MY FEELINGS EXACTLY, YOU PUT INTO WORDS WHY I LOVE THEM
also that was me, hiii

[ember mica]

i’m like scouring my apps for a fisheye effect you guys have no idea

[keen shore]

Alternatively: rhythm guide doesn’t have a mask so they could have been a penguin this entire time and we’d have no idea

[tranquil harbor]

I feel robbed that the new interaction node is just a fancy high five

[white junco]

i am going to have nightmares
front facing eyes
predator

[keen shore]

if I was given a bird mask in sky I would not be able to resist pecking things I disliked

[covert carbon]

That pigeon reminds me of that taxidermy marmotte(?) near the fishing museum, I won’t elaborate

[frigid tinsel]

Idk how to feel about this

[tranquil harbor]

birby

[white junco]

feels bad and vaguely threatening

[sharp lichen]

“I am living inside your walls” energy

[covert carbon]

Feels good and definitely threatened

[frigid tinsel]

looks like they got big hoop earrings

[keen shore]

OH MY GOD THANK YOU SO MUCH I DIDNT THINK YOU ACCTUALLU WOULD DO IT I AM CRYING

[ember mica]

i cannot find a good fisheye effect app. performance guide 1 ezlo 0

[sharp lichen]

I NEED TO SLEEP GOODBYE BIRD MASKS HAVE RUINED ME

[frigid tinsel]

pls don't make me open photoshop, my laptop can't handle it rn with all my tabs open

[tranquil harbor]

close some of your tabs

[frigid tinsel]

No

[ember mica]

anyways tomorrow when i’m brain dead from my exam should i redraw this as the performance crew

[keen shore]

PLEASE do

[covert carbon]

YES

[ember mica]

who is who tho

[regal forge]

Based on musicians quest today, they’re laying down
Storyteller is grieving next to them after forgetting their lines

[covert carbon]

Mellow as the guy on laying on the ground

[white junco]

performance guide the person on the far right

[regal forge]

Stagehand as far left but in the sitting position they are backstage right now-

[white junco]

humble dancer struggles with stage fright, maybe they’d be the one next to mellow

[frigid tinsel]

Performance guide is the one of the left sitting

[native shoal]

We’re Exam buddies (same day), good luck

[covert carbon]

Dancer is middle right

[regal forge]

Bonus if they’re all on stage-

[rigid mural]

Anyway gn lore chat

[white junco]

HSHDHSHDHSHD

[frigid tinsel]

the pixels, I can't

[covert carbon]

HAHAH

[ember mica]

OH MY GOD OH MY GOD

[flint bolt]

EVERYONE WANTS TO BE MY ENEMYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[harsh pecan]

Lmaoo

[ember mica]

performance guide

anyways i’m gonna go to sleep and then cry during my english exam and then like idk maybe go on with my life afterwards i haven’t decided yet gn

[covert carbon]

Jinx the cat💜 anyways I’m going to bed too!! Goodnight guys

[soft timber]

appears

[flint bolt]

also appears

[soft timber]

Hewwo

[flint bolt]

hai

[soft timber]

🥰

[violet sundial]

Hey question i think i heard somewhere that at some point TGC had clarified what the animal masks from Gratitude were each supposed to be. Do any of you have any idea where that might be?

[harsh pecan]

Maybe look it up in the server to see if anyone else mentioned it

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[frigid tinsel]

Haven’t seen you in a while

[inner cloud]

okay lorechat, how do you think we get krill oil?

[tranquil harbor]

wasteland elder slays the krill and the skids smash the body into oil

[bleak fog]

HUH

aesthetic!! 😊 /j

how did the king get corrupted?

[loud canopy]

Probably by greed and anger,man messed around with things he shouldn't have

[outer hare]

King was corrupted from the start 👀

[hushed steeple]

Explain

[outer hare]

My theory is that the king hid his body as he had used it for an experiment that went wrong. That experiment implanted possibly the first ever true 'darkness' in the king or another half finished theory might be that he was the original skykid ( i think ) but he was also defective, succumbed to darkness quickly. Succumbed to his dark feelings whereas skykids nowadays which dont seem to get corrupted.- these link into other wild theories i have so i believe he was corrupted from the start, but i do think that i should clarify this a bit better someday 💜

[scenic siren]

Vault slowly collapsing from all the chibis digging its foundation, Vault elder screaming internally

[marsh rivet]

My theory for king is that he was any regular sky spirit but he was a bit corrupted from the start. Then one other spirit gave him a wl / light to try and clear the darkness, but it only made him stronger. after a while he started to use that to his advantage and starts forcing other spirits to give him their light and in the end, when he gets so incredibly powerful, he takes the power from the elders, causing: isle's face breaking, prairies endless sleep, forest's lack of magic, valley's fight anf break and gw's loss of power. Vault managed to be spared because King was too corrupted himself to destroy all the knowledge, so he created eden with all the power and led skykids into it to give him their power with wl, but the elders kind of did a sleeping beauty by making it possible for skykids to be reborn after sacrificing their light to save those whom king lured into eden.

[clear fractal]

This is probably a question that's been asked a long time ago because I noticed it was never an expression I could find, but do the sky kids have their own sort of salute? Because of the whole gesture that happens at the beginning of orbit feels like it's something they've developed on their own with meaning.

[scenic siren]

Is that the "respect" emote then do level 3 "wave" emote before it finish?

The emote in game is a bit faster

[clear fractal]

It's similar. The part the npc sky kids do before your own character does it after the respect is raising their hands to sky, palm up

No wave, more like a symbolic gesture. I'd imagine it's towards the stars considering the context of the game itself.

[soft timber]

me who uses the 4th bow emote and the blow kiss emote as a normal greeting among others

[sharp lichen]

I just do a regular bow and another random emote, or I emote jump

[hushed steeple]

hink

[covert carbon]

I use twirl or juggle emote

[soft timber]

Watch me have a whole bunch of Chibi versions of my OCs and scaring people

[hushed steeple]

Hi ^^
I have a quick question for you ! What do we know about stars in the Sky universe ? I imagine that they do not have the same definition as a star in our world.

[flint bolt]

Stars are the last remaining bits of light in the universe.

And if Sky Children do come from the sky I think it's obvious where all the stars went.

[rigid mural]

Hm ? Where's this from ?

[maiden reef]

A group server

[maiden reef]

Should i actually draw this

[peak fjord]

reminds me of that one golden statue(s) oob back in tlp area(?) I believe

[rigid mural]

Oh I meant like, where are the statues from ? Is it from a culture in particular or is it someone's crafts ?

[flint bolt]

Ooo, they were fitted back then with that golden cape

[maiden reef]

Ohh, i dont know, a friend from the server posted this

Try google lens searching it maybe?

[rigid mural]

I don't have the app, I'm afraid I can't say much on it since it's the first time I see these.

[maiden reef]

Ohh

[peak fjord]

can't really find the origin of the pic itself

[maiden reef]

Ohhh i see, the upper right is kinda close

[peak fjord]

If it helps I have a pin of tom zhao's concept art for sky, I think I see something similar (?) on there that was based on it
https://pin.it/5Ua18JD

[soft timber]

The stars in the sky are the skids resting somewhere very very safe

[formal skiff]

And/or the ancestors

[regal forge]

I think it’s dismissing soldier I’m thinking of but there’s a cape that’s fluffy and white with brown on the underside sort of like leather
Assuming it’s genuine fur and leather
What are the chances they ||skinned|| a manta

[soft timber]

Very very low but not impossible

[regal forge]

Maybe they just took shears to the woolly manta

[flint bolt]

Wh-
What does a shaved manta look like?

[white junco]

saluting protector and the rest of the gratitude spirits are travelers from far away visiting the sky realms. so they probably brought the cape with them

[soft timber]

I wonder if some spirits, and to some degree skids, have more of an echo of a honk/water muffled/other kinds of regular honks

I got a video link of what I mean as an example, but I doubt it's allowed in this channel

[regal forge]

What do you think a skid starting to lose their voice or with a sore throat would sound like
Cursed: skid voice crack

[rigid mural]

The spirit chirp you sometimes hear when you're walking away from their memory while reliving it

[rugged jackal]

Henlo lorechat I have question

How did the Performance crew get their hands on the instruments we can play freely after quest 3? The guitar and prophecy drum
I suppose the guitar could have been… more (great english, Wish ), and we just happened to get it from Pleading Parent, but I have a feeling the Prophecy Drum had more significance, to the trials and…. prophecy
So what do you guys think?

[regal forge]

They have plenty of masks like the gratitude ‘deer’ one, the fish hat from days of fortune, etc. etc. in the costume room
so I think they recreated a lot of things that exist elsewhere in sky
Also proven by the piano, firework staff, and panflute in stagehands bag even though other spirits actively have those items

[rugged jackal]

Oh right I forgot about the other things

But, this is a good, I will accept

[leaden wyvern]

Do you guys discuss fan writing here?

[regal forge]

Sometimes
Not as official sky lore but if it involves theories or your own opinions of how the sky world works we’re interested

[leaden wyvern]

I have stuff i pulled from my au about spells and magic :D

Light and Dark to be specific

So for Light spells and magic, they are weak but- they can be effective on their own ways. Depending on the spell, it can consume a lot of energy or a lot of it.

Take glow for example, it's not really a big deal spell so it doesn't comsume a lot of energy.

However things like size alterations, item spells, cosmetic spells do consume a lot and are harder to get because of it.

(energy means candles btw)

[rugged jackal]

Very sneepy lorechat today

[regal forge]

I’ve taken the red candles we use as made of purely light or our flame while the white candles are actually made from wax and the wax we collect
So that’s why we never see red candles traded to spirits or placed to use at benches/catapults/friends/etc.
the white candles ‘wax’ can also be turned into different forms meaning if you have three of them you can manipulate that light to form a heart (though it can’t be transformed back)
^^^That one comes from when you give someone a candle(s) and you don’t just hand it over, it’s sort of like when we collect wax instead

I never type this much I just make weird comments what have I become-

[white junco]

that makes sense. i’ve been wondering why red candles never burn out, but some (not all) white candles do

[regal forge]

Also applies for red candles just hanging out in realms to collect. They never leave. They are eternal and scary and who put them there-

[scenic siren]

Is this shiny thing an elder's equivalence of a sky kid's candle? And they show it to us as a friendly gesture, like when sky kids lit each other?

[clear fractal]

I'm kinda curious as to why the Skyds use candles to share light in gameplay but, in the cutscenes with the elders, they hold light with their barehands. I kinda wish you could do that in game as an optional alternative to holding a candle.

[white junco]

…are there any red candles in wasteland, not including the temple or the ark

[scenic siren]

The candle cakes

[frigid tinsel]

Worth noting that “wax” is a community term. In game they are referred to as “pieces of light,” so they aren’t actual wax

[regal forge]

Hmm
I don’t think I’ve seen any besides those two places now that you mention it. Besides the candle bunches though

let my skid eat wax Alasdair

[frigid tinsel]

Skykids are made of wax /j

[white junco]

yeah idk if the candle cakes r canon tho.
i also can’t recall any red candles in forest that aren’t sheltered from the rain. maybe if they were made of light, then they’re only destroyed by darkness. that’s the only explanation I can think of for why the candles have survived since the kingdom fell without theorizing about previous generations of skykids

[frigid tinsel]

I like to think skykids are replacing melting candles in-universe, maybe spirits like Pointing Candlemaker taught them the craft

[regal forge]

I was talking about sky kid food pyramid
Maybe sky kids eat wax. That’s it. That’s the whole pyramid. A triangle candle.

But yeah if the red candles are made of light it would also make sense if they go out from darkness, polluted water, the rain, etc. like sky kids
red candles are w e a k

[clear fractal]

There was some event thing that said krill/dark dragons were coming to devour the light, but grandma serves it up like food to them and they do have to sustain themselves on light in the first place or become c r u s t y, so what really sets them apart from each other in that aspect 🤔

[regal forge]

Wait explain that question more I’m lost-

[frigid tinsel]

That sounds like something someone made up for the lolz

[white junco]

come to think of it, there’s not many red candles in forest. there’s that one batch in the tree in forest brook, a couple in pouty porters cave, some up in a treehouse, a couple in the assembly area, flight, and uh. that may be it. that’s all i can remember rn at least

[frigid tinsel]

The things I do for lolz

[clear fractal]

It's half a meme half a genuine question. I remember someone posted here awhile back one of the old event texts saying "Dark Dragons are coming to devour your light", but the mechanics of the sky kids also implies they essentially consume it in some way. My question is what sets them apart.

[frigid tinsel]

You might be referring to the text that shows up on the start-up menu

[clear fractal]

Honestly I've never seen it before myself but that is what I'm referring to. They're corrupted and they hunt you down for your winged light so at least there's truth to it. But when they go to do it, it pretty much gets rid of it compared to carrying it. So are Skyds essentially purposed to be like... walking containers?

[leaden wyvern]

Pretty much yes.

[frigid tinsel]

One way to view skykids is as vessels of light — they may be physically hollow with insides composed only of light, such as their flame, winged light, and perhaps neutral light too. Krill, as active forces of darkness, want to consume light, so skykids are essentially walking snackpods to them. A skykid bitten by a krill is immediately extinguished (flame) and lose some winged light.

Skykids’ purpose isn’t to feed krill though.

[sharp lichen]

I do think this is true, even for Ancestors

[leaden wyvern]

The krill tag players would say otherwise lmao

[clear fractal]

Right. That's what I was wondering because the makeup and general purpose of skyds is always at the back of my mind, especially because they have a definite 'core' compared to other creatures we see. That dot of light on their chest that disappears when their candles are pulled out.

[frigid tinsel]

Time to bring this back.

My Working Theory on the Composition of a Skykid
–clothing, hair, masks & other cosmetics made of light.
–a humanoid physical shell made of some magic-induced earthen material (i.e. clay, stone, ash, charcoal, meteorite) that has a hole in the chest and eyes.
–the hollow shell is full of light, such as winged light and neutral light.
–their cape, a manifestation of winged light.
–their flame, manifesting as the light in the hole in their chest and held outside their bodies via a red candle.
–their soul, appearing as a blue sparkle.

[white junco]

sky 🤝 hollow knight
player character is a small caped critter that is also the vessel of a force of reality (i think idk i’m stuck at a boss in hollow knight)
oh and canonically genderless i forgot about that part

[leaden wyvern]

I'm also curious about that one krill in starlight

[frigid tinsel]

Prob came down from the Eden mountain and just vibes

[leaden wyvern]

I forgot if it attacks you like the rest or not

[white junco]

there’s a windwall that stops you from getting close, but i think ive seen some players sneak past the windwall to practice krill dodging

[leaden wyvern]

Awww we can't go near him? :(

[clear fractal]

This is real good. Meteorite feels like a very viable. That or some sort of condensed, Sky variant of 'stardust' since that can be a more malleable material compared to something hardset.

[regal forge]

Sky kids are Tupperware confirmed

I vote that one krill in starlight is very lost and would like to go home
Also it’s theorized the prince got to eden by another way in (since he didn’t go through the home portal and it was very close without an ocean (I think?) from where he was just before
So maybe that krill really did get out of eden

[clear fractal]

I always thought it was a scout sent out to figure out why this new area is open, but my belief is the darkness acts as a very, very simplistic collective hive mind of sorts. No complex thought, just sorta raw instinct to keep spreading.

[leaden wyvern]

I will dub that lonely krill Jerry the Krill

I wonder if Jerry is a special case Krill were he has some intelligence and is somewhat docile

[white junco]

ok so on the skykid topic. what is going on in orbit.
the skykids that you save wave to you, then fade to gold dust, like a winged light you already collected but a bit fainter. and then something blue rises out of them (likely their soul) and then they become maybe stars? they have the wl effect? idk I find it very confusing

[pastel brook]

We’re all Sky all the time here, @white junco

[frigid tinsel]

Yea that confuses me to no end. Dunno what exactly to make of it

[leaden wyvern]

It sounds like a stretch but maybe they've been dead for so long that they can't really be reborn the same way as our skykids, so as a result the reason they disappear is because they're moving to the afterlife to reborn a different way

[white junco]

adding to this, the lights look more like the middle of a winged light than the souls we become in the storms eye when playing with friends

[leaden wyvern]

Or wait actually-

The reason they disappear is because they're a different generation and sub species of Sky kids hence why they disappear

[white junco]

it could be, but remember when we ascend to orbit, many of the skids around us have our friends’ name tags

[clear fractal]

Winged Lights look more like fragmented/incomplete versions of whatever these 'pure' or 'uncontained' versions of sky kids are. They don't really move or think and they lack capes. So perhaps you're delivering an incomplete fragment to a body in a state of torpor so they can have the energy to wake up and go back to where (i assume) all sky kids come from.

[leaden wyvern]

I was wondering about that actually

[white junco]

ascension and orbit are both very very confusing bc you exit eden by flying towards the diamond, and then are flying through a cloud tunnel. how much of it is real? why are all your friends ascending with you? it feels like they really want you to play around with ideas beyond just what we’re seeing here

shaking tgc, why do we see planets in the credits

[clear fractal]

Sky 2 but we can actually do space travel 😔

[leaden wyvern]

Unless somehow they ended up ascending to eden with you, it feels weird they're suddenly there

[rugged jackal]

I personally headcanon that the place they’re going to is kinda just nowhere. They find a spot in the sky and sit there as a star, then just chill there for an undetermined amount of time, maybe forever, maybe a couple days, months, years

I like to think it’s what happens when we close the game too.

The Sky may also be the ancestors’ home too, we see them while in ascended in their normal star positions, but they reveal their spirit form for a bit to say hello to us, and to give us some wax and wingbuffs

[white junco]

makes me wonder how many skykids exist in canon. it’s probably not a small number but the sky realms just aren’t big enough to accommodate the entire playerbase. the games got well over 100 million downloads worldwide (surpassed 100 million July 2021)

[regal forge]

Reminds me of the flame inside spirits. I can’t remember exactly when reliving their memory it is but I can find it.
They have a blue flame kind of thing

[leaden wyvern]

You mean the flame you get when your burn their darkness ball?

Or are you talking about their soul?

[regal forge]

Maybe. I believe that one is flame colored though? I think it’s just the glowing part while you’re reliving their memory. Maybe the soul?
I’ll have to relive a memory and remember what it is I saw

[white junco]

turns yellow when they ascend :)

[clear fractal]

Honestly this makes me wonder just what 'ascension' really is for the ancestors. Not only do they turn into a gold color like skyds do when heading to orbit, but they even get to throw winged light out. Do they become something closer to sky kids but not quite?

[leaden wyvern]

A sub species perhaps

[white junco]

they’re not gonna change species just because they’re ascended? Since we return them to the Light, they probably grow closer to it. And skykids are very connected to the light. gold light in sky tends to be connected to light and the Light

[rugged jackal]

It could just be because yellow

[frigid tinsel]

I ascribe to the idea that winged light are the “imprints of the children of the light” as stated by the devs someplace (I’ll find the screenshot later), so if winged light are imprints then they are something that forms due to the presence of skykids.

Since winged light are imprints they are merely the impression of skykids, not skykids converted into something else but something their presence has left behind. One cannot become winged light, but one or more skykids do make them by just existing in the world in addition to some other factor.

One theory suggests they appear where many skykids have been and coalesce into winged light, like creating a well-treaded path in the woods by many footsteps — hence why they appear in the same spots. In-game they may be in the same spot for gameplay accessibility but in-universe they could land anywhere.
They are not their own thing. Winged light is dependent on skykids to exist in the first place.

We also give winged light to petrified skids in Eden, presumably to revive them as we do petrified ancestor spirits. These skykids are very likely our peers. In orbit, the glowing children have our friends’ names. In Light Awaits, the statues themselves had the names of friends. The “fallen” we are supposed to revive in stormlock are heavily implied to be our fellow skykids, not a different generation or type of skykid.

After a statue is given winged light, they emit a blue flame very similar to these blue flames in winged light after collecting them. A statue that hadn’t been given winged light gives off a teal glow, perhaps their soul still trapped in darkness. It’s also similar to what petrified spirits look like after returning their spirit memories but before freeing them with our flames. So by giving skykids winged light, we may be doing the same — giving petrified skids enough light to wake up and escape from darkness. After breaking free, they resemble wl but with capes.

Okay then where are they going?

[novel marten]

I kinda think that maybe they don’t return anywhere specific, they just go back to The Light/Megabird so that they can go through with a different kind of rebirth. Light itself can turn into many different things. I think skykids specifically have a more physical form of their rebirth cycle, maybe it’s just how they’re made.

[frigid tinsel]

We’ve saved our fellow skykids, right? Shouldn’t they get reborn like us? Where are they going?

Also worth noting, when you pass the rebirth door after collecting all the wing buffs from ancestor spirits, you gain an additional winged light. I’ve noticed that when I’ve collected 64 wing buffs, I’ll be reborn with 65.

I like to think that extra bit is the winged light that another skid gave to ascend you. It’s yours now, you keep it, you are reborn with it and carry it with you until you give it away to another skid dead in stormlock or lose it due to darkness.

If so, then shouldn’t the skykids you revived and ascended to Orbit also descend from Orbit with it? Where are they going?

[rugged jackal]

Maybe they’re too far gone

[frigid tinsel]

Maybe they do, in universe, get reborn and descend from Orbit with us but the game can’t show that cos our friends, the skykids we are implied to have saved, are their own persons with their own lives and playing the game in real time. Sure, the game says you saved them, but in reality they’re playing around elsewhere in the world not dead. So the game can’t really show our friends descending with us because they’re not in game but maybe in universe.

[cinder wolf]

I’d assume they are moving on?
Also, any players you make friends with will also fly alongside you during that part. So it’s implied they are some of the sky kids you saved

[frigid tinsel]

re: the blue flame

I also have the idea that winged light and spirit memories are analogous to each other — meaning they’re not the same but are functionally similar.

if winged light are the imprints of children of light... then could spirit memories be the impressions those ancestors left on the world? in that way, the memories we relive are the spirits' most memorable moments in regards to their location, as the world remembers them? that would explain why some memories are seemingly not as memorable, such as walking, but the world finds it memorable in regards to that ancestor.
If both spirit memories and winged light are imprints, how do they get imprinted? Why do the sparkles freed from those darkness balls within ancestors follow along with us as we relive their spirit memories before rejoining their petrified forms?

One possibility could be that they are recollecting fragments of themselves. We see light creatures sometimes shed light we can collect, such as the green light from mantas in bird’s nest and the turtle. Perhaps beings of light shed light passively. For ancestors and skykids, that light could be encoded with their experiences.

blue is a sign of soul.

As spirits, perhaps ancestors shed and lose their light before getting petrified, forming their spirit memories. Maybe they start to forget themselves from losing some light. By reliving their spirit memories, we are recollecting their lost light fragments. They are referred to as “lost lights” in game.

For skykids, perhaps they shed light passively too. It would explain the blue flame that arises from collected winged light — there is some soul, some memory of skykids, within winged light. It may not be our own, but it’s someone’s. They don’t even have to be dead to shed light. By giving petrified skykids winged light, we give them some memory of who they are apart from darkness, of hope.

[rugged jackal]

This is confusing for me

[white junco]

I don’t know if this makes any sense at all but. If we go by the idea that the light child you hug in eden is a winged light given to you by another skykid (which I do) then theoretically, we are appearing in another hypothetical skykid’s ascension sequence at the same time we are ascending. Maybe the figures we see with us are the imprints of the children we save, and the actual skykids that we save are doing their own ascension sequence (don’t ask me why they’re all separate idk)
so that would explain why they have no features but a cape (wl symbol resembles cape and soul of skykid), the blue soul, fade to gold dust, and hang out in the sky in orbit. since we’re in orbit and our skykid themselves doesn’t have a body anymore, then maybe some things work differently up there. maybe after we’re reborn they fall from the sky and return to their places in the realms like dbz
not sure about that last bit but. it’s a theory
there are 63 statues right? does that number show up anywhere else?
i’ve been struggling against my devices for the past couple minutes, help

[rapid arrow]

I saw shed, I thought of snakes.but other wise I do like that

[hushed steeple]

Hi nerds >:]

I think the found abyss concept art proves “animal mask relates to spirit” is actually more about the personality of the spirit and does not reflect their job. So not all postmen are rabbits, but people who are agile more likely to wear rabbit mask. It seems pretty vague connection with things like “good with tools: monkey” and “strong and clumsy: beetle”

[keen shore]

Ok so fursona

[hushed steeple]

Birds being the exception. They prolly settled on that one idea and provoking performer just thinks gargoyles are birds.

[wispy dust]

Hey Salem! Can I dm you some questions about your mural list?

[lyric isle]

I know that the TS hints are just gags but the nickname one has made me think about names - whoever’s nickname being Aleyu

so random generator names are what spirit names are too? a little sad as my headcanon had those as specifically skykid-characteristic names but it’ll grow on me

[keen shore]

Oh yeah sure! :3

[frigid tinsel]

I think the names the spirits have in-game are nicknames the skykids gave them, not their actual titles or names they had in life

[lyric isle]

I mean random generator names

but true

[white junco]

yeah we see the same spirits with different titles depending on what job they’re doing. probably were called actual names in life

[frigid tinsel]

maybe Slumbering Shipwright was actually a shipwright or Ceasing Commodore was actually a commodore, that's just what they told the skids.
on that note, Cackling Cannoneer may not have been an actual cannoneer cos they're prone to embellishing but it's not as if the skids would know that.

[keen shore]

Extremely amused at the idea of a spirit just. Lying to us about their job

[white junco]

slumbering shipwright sent a strongly worded letter to boatswain during beta testing and that’s why they changed their name

[frigid tinsel]

Slumbering Shipwright: there can only be one

[rigid mural]

Laidback pioneer and HnS pioneer: 👀 💦

[white junco]

handstanding thrillseeker and rallying thrillseeker:

[native shoal]

Testing complete

[keen shore]

One spirit gets named Nice Mumbler by the skykid who found them, but unfortunately word of mouth does not preserve spelling very well, and soon the entire species knows them as Knife Murderer

[frigid tinsel]

skykid: you're gonna be Sneaky Survivor!
Sneaky Survivor: you do know I'm dead, right?

[sharp lichen]

And scaredy cadet is worse. Why are you bullying children

[white junco]

scaredy cadet. scaredy cat. it’s a play on words

[covert carbon]

Wait what’s the hint for the ts again?

[wispy dust]

@white junco @frigid tinsel can I dm you two questions about using your mural screenshots?

[white junco]

yeah sure!

[frigid tinsel]

yup, go on ahead

[regal forge]

Wait why are you bullying children-

[nimble ingot]

They never trip

[regal forge]

||Air prophet|| watching me trip and fall at every possible moment because I have zero balance:
“weak child”

I go in the air trial every single day just to spite them

[rigid mural]

they enjoy watching funny fail compilation videos tho, i bet they find us falling off in their trial hilarious

[formal skiff]

I find me falling off in their trial hilarious. If they don’t, that’d just be sad. Ya gotta get entertainment somewhere right?

[marsh rivet]

I can't even manage to do air prophet's spirit like??? why did it have to be a carry spirit. why does this spirit want me to carry them anyway??? are they too old???

[formal skiff]

They are… centuries old. So. Yes.

[sharp lichen]

Air Prophet has the best mask and the best trial

[nimble ingot]

In case someone wanted this, here is the list of TS hints from the beloved Ash 🕊️
🔹This weeks TS almost never stumbles (It was trip, but an edit was made to make translations easier).

🔹This weeks TS always keeps their space in an "organized disarray"
🔹This weeks TS always keeps the windows open
🔹This weeks TS enjoys watching funny fail compilation videos
🔹This weeks TS hates things getting dusty
🔹This weeks TS favorite food is fresh fruit
🔹This weeks TS laughs at corny jokes
🔹This weeks TS is great at rock climbing
🔹This weeks TS always goes through with a dare
🔹This weeks TS has a hard time staying still
🔹This weeks TS hates the dentist
🔹This weeks TS will always have a midnight snack
🔹This weeks TS likes to challenge themselves

[frigid tinsel]

don't forget hyena fursona despite having bat mask

[lyric isle]

the prophets making fail compilations out of footage of skykids doing their trials and watching them endlessly

this is the true reason they were crafted

[regal forge]

Air prophet would shove a kid off a platform In air trial because it’s funny
Cocky skid: “I’m amazing at this. I’m doing great—“
Air prophet: “whoops there they go”

[keen shore]

Air prophet’s spirit is a follow quest?? I just did it

[frigid tinsel]

they're just glad the skids don't perish in the Trials like their students did

[keen shore]

Vault elder energy

[lyric isle]

ok but I’m remembering basically how I characterise them, as quoted from a friend

“Probably the kind of person who makes an excellent point about aerospace dynamics or whatever then turns around and makes an inappropriate joke”

[sharp lichen]

I love how they’re based on the Mayan deity Camazotz, and the connections are interesting. They both live in caves and love sacrifice

[nimble ingot]

Had to look it up and it was Misty's hint 👀
#seasons-events-chat message

[sharp lichen]

This is the college student that nobody is friends with, but everyone tolerates

[keen shore]

#general-sky-discussion message

[nimble ingot]

pardon?

[nimble ingot]

oh 👀

[keen shore]

Completely false and untrue. I would be friends with this person in a heartbeat. In fact I am baffled as to why you would say insults like this while still calling yourself a “prophecy stan” smh poser /j

[sharp lichen]

I would be if they didn’t murder people while posing as a different murderer

[karmic ledge]

if i said bat it would be too obvious!!!

[regal forge]

Hello friend
Or aquantinge aqwuarntice aquatics aqquantice
Help

[keen shore]

I have now gained the piece of knowledge that the prophet’s masks aren’t, in fact, basically ceremonial fursuits. I don’t know what to do with it though

[regal forge]

Aqquantice acquaintance
ACQUAINTANCE

[sharp lichen]

Their regular form is their fursona. Their actual fursona is just chaos

[nimble ingot]

Hyena is a cute fursona ngl.

I would have thought to use a mouse with an angel theme, but that would also be a bit on the nose.
Thank you for blessing the chat with these TS hints. 🙏

[sharp lichen]

It’s a fursona of a fursona

[karmic ledge]

if you want, you can say they have two 😌

[regal forge]

Hyena with bat wing ears

[keen shore]

I love hyenas so rhis hint fills me wirh joy. Am I correct in assuming spotted hyena or a different species?

[frigid tinsel]

okay but what if

[karmic ledge]

insert interpret-how-youd-like-standard-tgc-response

[sharp lichen]

To think of it hyenas and bats are quite similar in personality

[regal forge]

Ayo ash what’s your favorite color
You know what
Lore chat what’s your favorite color

[nimble ingot]

Do you mean a hyena is different than a spotted hyena?

You do get stripped hyenas, though I think all of them belong under the same family of hyena.

[karmic ledge]

my favorite color is yellow!

[regal forge]

Mine is a very annoying bright orange

[keen shore]

There are different species of hyena, which is why I was asking!

[frigid tinsel]

this is Air Prophet's fursona
(credit: https://www.deviantart.com/gescheitert/art/striped-hyena-coyote-157885156)

[keen shore]

making me jealous,

[frigid tinsel]

my favorite colors are green, blue, and purple

[raw crypt]

i need to know which spirit has a sparkledog (just a really brightly coloured character) fursona

also my fave colours r oranges and pinks!

[queen pike]

i like cherry blossom pink :)

[regal forge]

I hope y’all know I’m writing these down-

[keen shore]

Baffled Botanist 100%

(I assign spirits fursonas for fun)

[rigid mural]

omg ash in the chat

can you please help me figure the mask out, im diving headfirst into snow

[keen shore]

OH ASH I FORGOT JNFIL NOW BUT I ALSO HAVE A QUESTION THATS BEEN BITHERING ME (if u are still here)

[formal skiff]

I like greens and blues and earthtones

[native shoal]

I’ve adopted a moth for the first time

Like properly, I led them through wasteland and vault. They didn’t wanna hold my hand in wasteland but I got them through mostly safely

[formal skiff]

Aww

[bronze arch]

I made a basic HP bar concept for my Season idea!

The red is the HP they have and the yellow is what they’ve lost.

You could even replace the red with whatever color the Season is represented by!

For example:

What do y’all think?

It's basic, but I definitely am going to refine it.

[nimble ingot]

Not sure. The game makes a point that it has no combat, even the 'health bar' of a skykid doubles as a flight bar.
When they take damage, they lose light and they lose the ability to fly.
Even then, the 'health bar' works differently as winged light lost only changes the amount of wedges at certain amounts.

A health bar in sky might imply there is combat to be had (the player has to fight something to get the health bar down), or the player has to watch it die when the health bar does go down.

[bronze arch]

Maybe it doesn't have to be combat or have it die, maybe it needs to some kind of special honk when it gets tired to make it go down.

Considering I used the term health bar, it could be something else, like an anti-corruption kinda thing.
And when the bar runs out/is filled with yellow, it gets uncorrupted and rewards you with waxes and hearts.

So no actual combat, it keeps the perfect passive feeling of Sky while also helping a creature of darkness become light again!

[nimble ingot]

that would be interesting.
A bar of any kind would mean one of two things for the player. They have to get it to fill up, or make it go down. Otherwise the bar has no use in the game.
Such as the skykid's cape wedges, the player would want to keep it filled up, but has the option to use it to get around. Hence the balance that needs to be maintained. To avoid losing all of one's light, don't use up all of the wedges, but with all of the wedges filled up, the player can fly away.

Say for example there is a boss encounter.
Applying your idea here, the bar would be the amount of corruption in the creature, which gives the players a goal to work towards. Get the bar to go down, by helping the creature become uncorrupted.
For instance, once the bar goes from red to yellow, the creature would be cleansed and can possibly be uncorrupted.

[bronze arch]

Exactly!

Reading that gave me an idea for refinement!

[keen shore]

This is going to bother me for so long. I am trying to figure it out but my brain is being awful today and refuses to work correctly.

[bronze arch]

Spontaneous theory:
Their souls are collected and formed into Skid bodies. Then, once a player soul goes through the door, the Light gives them a body. The new complete Skid is sent down to the Homeworld to repeat the cycle.

[nimble ingot]

Now I am imagining a dark soul style battle, with the creature being a combination of the giants from Shadow of the Colossus, and the epic encounters from death stranding.
But the skykid has to avoid getting hit while trying to use the environment to their advantage.

I doubt a skykid cannot cleanse a creature on their own, so would need help. Maybe there could be spirits around that can help get mechanisms going and give the skykid a way to cleanse the creatures.
A place for skykids to become overcharged and make contact with the creature.
Or a certain place the creature has to be lured towards to be cleansed.

Once the skykids succeed in cleansing the creature, there is a cutscene and the skykids would be able to celebrate with the new light creature being saved.

Imagine that is a whole season.

[ember mica]

LORE CHAT. I RETURN. MY EXAMS ARE DONE

[keen shore]

That’s the thing though… why doesn’t it happen for us?

[white junco]

had this idea on it a bit earlier

[bronze arch]

All 3 of those options work. I can imagine:

They have to gather special wax/light/whatever to form into a ball, like a snowball, and then they have to give it to the Spirits to launch into the corruption.

A Skid has a special zone they need to get to ut do a special deep call, thus bringing the CB (Corruption Bar) down.

A krill/giant crab chase scene down a dilapidated castle hall, with a Light Trap at the end to cleanse it.

[bronze arch]

Maybe because a soul that had been saved with WL doesn't work as a player soul, or a player soul has different properties than a saved soul.

[keen shore]

Ooooh I like that but I am curious, wojld that mean our entire flight up follows the same logic ? like we’re just an imprint on our way up or something? I am struggling to figure this out with the singular braincell I have been allowed today

[bronze arch]

So there's 2 mythical birds, the Elder Bird, and one other I forgot.

[frigid tinsel]

there's Megabird, but that's a god, not a bird

[trim yoke]

Hey guys I noticed something using an art reference I have from when I was a moff I used for a drawing and I noticed something....
(Mind if I post the photo and the drawing and explain what I mean?)

[bronze arch]

Okay thanks

[white junco]

it's ok it hurts my braincell too. What I was thinking was you yourself are not an imprint, but the skykid that gave you winged light would see your imprint during their own ascension.
I don't quite know how to explain when you go to orbit with friends or whether or not skykids in canon would see others ascending, orbit is very confusing

[bronze arch]

Maybe 🌟 Orbit is actually an abstract representation of something in our heads, which means that it'd be different for us than for a Skid.

[keen shore]

The entire orbit sequence. Confuses me. So much. What are the reasons for eden looking nice after you die? Why does the kid you hug turn into the Eden beam and how? What are those “skykids” you saved - are they basically like skykid spirits? I just Do not understand at the moment

[bronze arch]

I think the moment you lose your autonomy in Eden, it's all abstract.

[keen shore]

Wdym lose our autonomy? We still control ourselves even when we’re dead

[frigid tinsel]

maybe what we see while ascending Eden is the true Eye of Eden. the eye of storms like hurricanes and monsoons are usually chill, no storms there. although it makes little geographic sense

[bronze arch]

Yes, but you are no longer a unique being to those around you.

[frigid tinsel]

dunno what you're getting at, mate

[keen shore]

That’s what I think, especially considering it is half destroyed, but… why would it not be around the diamond if the diamond caused it?? Confusion

[bronze arch]

Neither do I.

[white junco]

I don't think anything is not real/all in your head per se, just some things may be screwy.
OH had a thought had a thought. we don't have a body until we pass through the rebirth gate. so maybe like. we're on a slightly different plane of reality at that point, allowing us to see eden for what it once was

[frigid tinsel]

the storm does seem to come back during the end of our ascension, see all the lightning and flying boulders just below the floating Eden castle, emerging from the Eye

[bronze arch]

If the Sky universe's Eden was like that, sign me up I'm never leaving.

[keen shore]

OOOO like we clipped into the Spirit Alternate Realm and that one only got destroyed by time, not by the storm?

[white junco]

YEAH YEAH like we're vibing with the spirits atm

[tranquil harbor]

I think the sky kids escaping en masse might release some kind of energy that causes the storm to temporarily break. It starts getting dangerous again near the end because the storm is reforming

[keen shore]

they escaped baby jail… I also like this idea hmm,, alrhough something abt spades take is making me lean towards it a bit more

[frigid tinsel]

that could be it too. such an idea aligns with the thought that the Storm is receding, either by running out of power or the presence of skykids.
could, in that burst of light of skykids ascending, push the clouds away and unveil what they covered.

[white junco]

does anyone here know what twewy is bc the plane system that game uses happens to line up with my plane thoughts

[hushed steeple]

hi guys im back , what r we talkign abt

[bronze arch]

I made a refined version! Still basic but I think it looks a lot better.

[frigid tinsel]

we writing essays here today lads

[nimble ingot]

What racks my brain is the question, where do skykids come from?

Upon starting the game for the first time (based on how it was when I started playing) the game opens with the skykid waking up on the ground in a home that appears to be Storm locked, except that Eden is closed and the skykid can only access Dawn.
Once they complete their first playthrough of the game and be reborn, they are sent back to home, but with the message "The real journey starts here..."
This implies that the first time the skykid woke up was the start of their journey, but to start it properly, they had to be reborn.

Looking at the latest opening of the game for new players, the game open with the player watching a star fall to the ground. This looks like the skykid is being reborn, except that the home is still stormy and only Dawn is accessible. What follows is the same as before.

My question is, when a skykid is born, do they truly become skykids when they complete their first journey and become reborn? Or were they always a skykid and their first journey is just their first cycle?

Assuming the skykid being born for the first time, they dont have a prior life, does that mean they are a new born star?
Or, assuming the skykid had a prior life, and this is just their first true rebirth (reincarnation) and they have no prior knowledge or items of their former life other than their default clothes, hair, cape and call?

If skykids are like stars:
Can they go supernova, become dwarf stars, become a neutron star, become a black hole, die and become start dust that can become new stars?
Following that tangent. Would the skykid of today have come from the remnants of past skykids that have died and become nebulas?

Apologies for the rambling.
I suppose skykids are not like actual stars, but in Sky terms, they do come from falling stars, so...

[bronze arch]

Hey Sagomay, if you're looking, what would you name the final Season of Sky?

[tranquil harbor]

The storyteller story (which may just be urban legend) implies they're stars and have some kind of sentience and then they fall and become children

[keen shore]

of course essay day had to fall on the day I felt the worst in the past week /lh
These essays are helping me feel better by giving me something else to focus on, I’m just struggling to comprehend some of them

[white junco]

ok to build off of this. I still think the eden diamond is very weird, it moves in a way that a solid object really shouldn't. and if an explosion in eden really did create the storm and devastate the realms, why is the diamond still there?

I think it isn't. I think maybe, perhaps, the explosion that created the storm also damaged reality in the spot where the diamond once was. That would explain why the edges of the diamond move violently.

Once we regain our light after dying in Eden, all the skykids are seen flying towards the diamond until they disappear, and we cut to our skykid flying through a tunnel in the clouds. If the diamond was a whole in reality, maybe we go through it and enter a layer we can't normally get to.

[keen shore]

it’s only tangentially relevant to the skykid star conversation but I recently noticed that the king mask design is star shaped because they fell from a star and I was like whoaaaaaaaaaa

just like how isle has boat mask prairie has pot mask etc

[nimble ingot]

Agreed, the star idea was more of an inkling before the season, hence it was not brought up much.
With the storyteller's script though, the idea has gained some footing in the theory department.
This might even expand the lore to include stars and its life cycle in a symbolic way.
That and it can possibly be a corner stone in the case of solving the mystery of the winged light (formerly called stars)

[keen shore]

I support this theoru as long as it doesn’t include the diamond breaking time /j

[white junco]

time can stay intact, as a treat

[nimble ingot]

welp, may as well start looking up star quotes and this is a good start:
Seraph: "we literally were born from a falling star"
#lore-discussion-spoilers message
"stars and winged light are the same thing..."
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[tranquil harbor]

I think there is a version of the story that might be the star becoming a winged light too actually. Anyone got the story map thingy?

[bronze arch]

I can't read it.

[keen shore]

Yeah the “a child emerged, a star had transformed” line does seem to imply we are basically jsut transformed stars [I would assume it means skykid and not WL but I could be wrong[

[bronze arch]

I'd make Sky poetry but I don't have any concrete lore

[nimble ingot]

oof, the resolution. my bad. Will look for a higher resolution

[white junco]

original message is here, though I'm not sure if it's any better: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[frigid tinsel]

considering that:
–winged light are the imprints of skykids
–winged light revives petrified skykids
–another skykid may have to give their winged light to us to revive us
–the petrified skykids are heavily implied to be our fellow peers (in LA the statues had the names of friends)
–the glowing children during ascension have our friends' names, also implied to be our friends we're saving.
what I think should happen or is happening:

skykids are sacrificing themselves to save other skykids who are petrified in Eden. for every skykid who enters and dies in stormlock, they revive numerous other petrified skids with their winged light.

with one winged light each, these revived children ascend from their petrified physical forms in a burst of light, perhaps calming the darkness of the storm and pushing back the cloud cover to reveal the new structures. they ascend into the Orbit. the calm is temporary and as the skykids ascend, the Storm reforms over the Eye.

they land in Orbit, the bright light glow fading to reflect the facsimile of their living forms. there are all sorts of skykids in Orbit wandering around, meeting spirits, maybe an Elder or two are there. eventually, they all funnel out to the rebirth door.

instead, the glowing children you saved ascend further into the stars and we don't really know the tangibility of post-limbo Eden. hence confusion

[tranquil harbor]

I mean, the glowing kids are implied to be our friends, who are real people who can't be in eden with us because they didn't come. So it might just be gameplay this time. Having a fake skid u running around Eden while I'm trying to buy shinies would be a bit odd

[nimble ingot]

weird.
Open the image link while its small, not while zoomed in.
For some reason, opening the zoomed in image is lower resolution.

[frigid tinsel]

try this jpg and a pdf. if you're zooming in, make sure you're zooming into the image itself and not the webpage/screen

[white junco]

friend, you don't need concrete lore to write Sky poetry. Make stuff up 💜

[soft timber]

I like how I had a pretyy happy ending with the star being bright, and it's like a truck of feels for everything else

[white junco]

I got the candlemaker ending i'm very happy

[tranquil harbor]

I got the weak isle elder ending

[frigid tinsel]

I know, but a lot of stuff regarding what happens after dying in Eden is difficult to determine what's a gameplay mechanic and what's true in-universe. for instance, my idea that time elapses while petrified, waiting to be given winged light, leans on the thought that immediate ascension is a gameplay mechanic. it'd be boring and even frustrating having to wait for someone in the multiplayer verse to give your statue a winged light so you can play the game again.

[tranquil harbor]

tbh I really like the idea of Orbit being full of skids milling about, so thanks for that. I always thought it was a quiet and serene place, but it's interesting to think about it like a hub like home is

[frigid tinsel]

yea that's what happens in my ficverse, primarily cos it makes the most sense. it can still be serene or even quiet down if you wait for the crowd of skids to mellow out.

[rigid mural]

In concept art, Orbit had us be connected with the becoming light silhouettes thing, so it would make sense for the boundaries between the self and the others to grow thinner here.

i know we dont know if the masks really are all based off creatures the ancestors saw but listen... sky penguins

the fluff on the storyteller mask one is supposed to be a reference to the frilly collars some pierrot clowns have

[cobalt palm]

I definitely get seal vibes from dancer

[keen shore]

ASWWW I LOVE SO SO SO MUCH
I have to Wonder why they all got assigned penguins specifically, I wonder if it’s based off who taught them or something??

[tranquil harbor]

Dancer was the seal pubby all along

[rigid mural]

penguins and seals have roughly similar body shapes tbh, since both need to be chubby and hydrodynamic to survive in frigid aquatic environments

[lyric isle]

awww,, pengin

[frigid tinsel]

oh how majestic ✨

[cobalt palm]

Some references

Stagehand has macaroni vibes

[rigid mural]

YEAH YEAH I THINK I COMPILED SOME PENGUIN PICS BACK IN BETA

[frigid tinsel]

That or northern rockhopper

[rigid mural]

southern rockhopper for the guide

[keen shore]

MACARONI GUIDE

[frigid tinsel]

Sckrinklu

[rigid mural]

imo i dont think we could id a specific penguin for each and every mask, more like an order; Eudyptes for the guide and stagehand for example.
Though musician clearly looks like a magellanic penguin, and dancer looks a lot like an emperor penguin chick.

There's also storyteller which is a really cool mix between penguin, tragedy mask and pierrot (sad clown) makeup/hat ! There's even the mask in the questgiver tree that looks like both the comedy and the half mask of a harlequin !

[ember mica]

rockhopper like from club penguin

[rigid mural]

performance spirits flipped the iceberg and thats how they got all these cool fits

[bronze arch]

I made some Corruption Bars for practice
You have no idea how hard it was for me not to do “Deserted Krisland”.

[tranquil harbor]

what if the entire boss bar looked corrupted? But as you filled it the corruption fell away?

[bronze arch]

As much as I like that idea, I like how it looks currently since it seems like the source of the corruption is at the end of the bar.

[tranquil harbor]

Like, you can have the end of the bar be super big on corruption, but it basically snakes and covers the whole bar. As you fill it, it falls away until you get to the big end

[bronze arch]

I see where you’re coming from but eh.

[tranquil harbor]

fair enough

[bronze arch]

The ERROR one is the honkin’ manta in Windpaths.

[ember mica]

if there was a sky iceberg, what would be on it

[rigid mural]

me, im eating it

[bronze arch]

If there were a crossover with Kirby and the Forgotten Land (2022), we'd need to protect the Skids from Fecto Forgo.

I have a GIF on the ready if you need to see why.

[keen shore]

Put performance guide laying on top of it (they are a penguin)

[hushed steeple]

The abyss leviathan is nothing compared to ||the hallway abomination||

[bronze arch]

The huh?
What is the hallway abomination?

[hushed steeple]

||the sludge chimera phase||

The reason it has fear rating

[bronze arch]

Oh right right

[regal forge]

Musician is the sky kid equivalent of kazoo kid

[tranquil harbor]

or those people with guitars in libraries for some reason

[bronze arch]

Wait what

[sharp lichen]

The very top could be the most simple and basic Sky theories, and the bottom could be really obscure stuff like the Golden Dawn and Sephir Yetzirah,

[hushed steeple]

Oh hang on I got one I made. Theres many others but. This one contains the deepest truth.

[tranquil harbor]

finally, the true lore

[kind musk]

That "memory cubes" entry is soooo Rusty Lake 💀 💀 💀

Woah, I haven't been here for a long time, have I? New lore moffs, new theories. What's new around?

[pastel brook]

A "moth" is a new player. They have brown wings, they flap around uncontrollably, and they are drawn to flame!

[rugged jackal]

Have you heard of wooly manta yet
First thing that came to mind

[kind musk]

Wooly manta? 💀

[rugged jackal]

I’m not 100% of the origins of it, but I think earlier someone asked why the season of flight cosmetics were fluffy and someone suggested a different kind of manta that was wooly

Then it snowballed

[white junco]

wooly manta

[regal forge]

I just called someone French
Not as in phone call
Like I told my friend ‘you’re french’
Feel like lore chats fear of French people needed to know that

[kind musk]

I LOVE IT AAAA

Back in my times, theories were about suffering and despair lol

I wonder, is there any question that before was unsolved but now we have an answer?

[white junco]

idk i’m not too familiar with older lore chat stuff. i think notes on the lost stream were found? i don’t perceive time

i’d love to stick around but i’m fighting to stay awake rn, gn lorechat

[kind musk]

Good night! I'll pass tomorrow

[rigid mural]

"Lost Stream" can be found on the japanese youtube channel of TGC, it is from the season of Lightseekers iirc !

[uncut pond]

Sephir who?
Is that like, a obscure concept artist or something?

[rigid mural]

Sepher Yetzirah
@uncut pond
Here's the convo.

[uncut pond]

Oh wow

[rigid dagger]

do some of you think that when golden wasteland elder lost to the battle, he went into hiding in hermit valley or is it just me

[frigid tinsel]

Wasteland Elder a bit too big to hide there

[rigid dagger]

there's like a pair of a big axe and also a huge bed just next to each other

[frigid tinsel]

that's for Yeti aka the Bearhug Hermit, the really fluffy looking spirit from Season of Dreams. they used to be an axe juggler.

[rigid dagger]

and the bed is bigger than the yawning spirit in prairie

[frigid tinsel]

Yeti's a big lad

[rigid dagger]

OHHHHHH

axe juggler sounds cool ngl

[bronze arch]

Season of Ritual

Ritual Guide
Notorious Nun
Catapult Crafter
Shimmering Shiner
Benevolent Blesser

[harsh pecan]

We’re scared of French people now?

[native shoal]

There are many brands of wooly manta, this is mine

[hushed steeple]

I don’t speak youngster what is rusty lake slang for?

[hushed steeple]

Also do you have a link, since I assume the channel name is in japenese.

[nimble ingot]

you can look up tgc japan's youtube channel.
I am not sure which stream specifically would be the japanese counterpart of the 'lost stream'

[outer hare]

Woo o o o o o l y y y. m a an t a a a a

[inner cloud]

may i be his friend

[outer hare]

bobbit-

[rigid mural]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12iKbUJRiy0

And take the notes as well:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1F0MQ8T8yc_5OrBXF5OtD4M2W0zg_n_HrtnUyq1C8d2E/edit

[sharp lichen]

The duality of the old King vs the new wooly manta. The war between angst and fluff is over, with fluff winning.

Things have shifted away from large, grandiose theories to simple ideas. The wooly manta was created because someone wondered why Flight clothes looked so different, and so someone explained a manta with wool that was sheared.

[somber ginkgo]

[rigid mural]

Do these spirits not have beds, still cackling at the idea Musician and Chimesmith just take naps on the floor.

[sharp lichen]

extremely stupid scrunklies I love them

[white junco]

the simple joy of just napping on the floor bc why not

[slow portal]

only yeti gets bed privileges

[rigid mural]

Slumbering Shipwright has a bed too iirc !

[white junco]

i am tucking in the assembly kids as we speak

[rigid mural]

OH RIGHT THE BONEYARD TREEHOUSE HAS BEDS

[slow portal]

ok so the list of existing beds

• slumbering shipwright's
• daydream's and chuckle's
• the entire treehouse if you're counting hammocks
• yeti's
  i think that's it?

[sharp lichen]

Flight spirits have no time to sleep

[slow portal]

they use the clouds as their beds
ultimate comfort if you can handle the constant bobbing up and down

[sharp lichen]

I cannot

[rigid mural]

They just levitate lvl4

[white junco]

wooly manta snatching up a flight spirit and not letting them down until they fall asleep

[cedar sun]

They need beds tbh, it must be cold

[spark cairn]

Their's a hammock by the flight guide

[cedar sun]

What are the names of the elders again? Even if it's not canon

[spark cairn]

Also, iirc scaredy cadet slept on the floor... even though there was a hammock next to them. So maybe they like sleeping on the floor?

[cedar sun]

I have questions about the contents in the icebergs now

[cedar sun]

I'm going to make a video explaining all of them, and I'll try my best even though I don't know some of them

[tranquil harbor]

Flight Guide has a hammock. Light Whisperer has beds, but they may be sick beds for animals

[cedar sun]

All I remember is Daleth, Resh and Alef so.. :T

[rigid mural]

Daleth - Isle
Ayin - Prairie
Teth - Forest
Samekh - Valley (they both share the name since back then the elder of the Valley was a singular entity)
Tsadi - Wasteland
Lamed - Vault

[cedar sun]

You know what this is referencing to

Ancestors: Haha manta go brrr

[novel marten]

Krill: is anyone gonna eat that?

[soft timber]

I like how this went from woolly mantas to beds to names back to mantas

[silk hinge]

i just noticed this long resh

[soft timber]

Long boy Resh

[hushed steeple]

Yeah, I put some stuff kinda, vaguely, like, haha, “coral”. Feel free to ask about any of it. But really 99.9% is just concept art and cut stuff, since thats just the way sky is.

[wheat cypress]

Morning Lore chat lol

[orchid jolt]

Any ideas as to what this is supposed to be? I'm assuming the texture got messed up somehow lol (it's on the pants of the Frantic Stagehand)

[terse agate]

A bag💼

Of bleu gems for sparkle effect like he throws it at the stage to simulate an effect

[grim python]

It’s the stagehand’s paint rag. Doesn’t look good at all on the pants, I wish it was removed

I thought it was a broken texture too, but no it’s a really bad attempt at making it look coated in paint

[terse agate]

True

[orchid jolt]

Ooooh. Thx

[frigid tinsel]

Reminds me of some big creature staring down a fox

[keen shore]

the evolution of this is the flight spirits’ beds all being on the ground,

[bronze arch]

Where’s the Eden King reference

[hushed steeple]

The one with the three standing in line or?

This is so dope, if he can get corrupted that means elders can possibly get corrupted

[neon mirage]

Soooo. What’s the scoop on abyss lore? Did the temple sink down into the water, was it already there and got flooded, or was it always underwater? What was it’s purpose?

[hushed steeple]

General smeneral consensus is that its a flooded mine. Ehoch explains all the diamonds you smomomd mmmmallllsaa

Flooded mine. And they harvested light from creatures maybe.

Hhh

[sharp lichen]

Abyss spirits are most likely scavenging darkstone in the present to extract light out of it and stay alive.

[keen shore]

The only issue with that is if they’re scavenging it to stay alive, they may have already failed in that regard… they are ghosts

[sharp lichen]

Spirits aren’t analogous to ghosts though. Maybe if they want to stay in this world, they need light. Whether it’s from candles, natural light, or darkstone.

[formal skiff]

starts making fun of Sneaky “Survivor”

[bronze arch]

I was gonna make a better Corruption Bar design but I forgot my Apple Pen ran outta battery

[ember mica]

why does the prince’s mask lowkey kinda look like the prophecy symbol

[hushed steeple]

I just got a shower thought/revelation:

The Eden rhombus (the source of all evil in Eden) is the one at the end of Vault - the one that floats above the elder statue, the same one we give the Vault elder in the cutscene

Only that the one we see in Vault is the "old" one and the Eden one it's the present one, after the cataclysm. Basically, that rhombus is either what fueled/caused the apocalypse or is an element that still fuels it and a never-ending cycle goes on caused by its corruption

[keen shore]

Because they’re the same symbol! Most of the prophecy murals are about the king :3

[sharp lichen]

Or at least that’s the most widely accepted theory. I am still believing in a different theory

Yes I am stubborn.

[keen shore]

To be honest, it’s a pretty obvious conclusion to make, and is so likely when compared to the other options that I feel comfortable giving it as the canon option without having to specify that it’s just the “most likely” one or whatever. The evidence for all the other options is either really sparse and unsatisfying or falls apart as soon as you analyze the murals more than surface level.

[hushed steeple]

Lmao my message it's not related to the topic, but had I not written it, I would have forgotten my random eureka moment

So what do y'all think?

[keen shore]

My only problem with it is the fact that the one the elder has is a Lot smaller than the one we see in Eden. Even in pre disaster murals [there’s a prophecy one I’ll grab for you really quick which seems to be depicting the same diamond] it looks a lot larger than the one the elder has.

Although, those two diamonds could be connected, just in more of a metaphorical way than “they’re the same ones physically”

[keen shore]

RIP Sneaky Survivor, got insulted horribly by the skykid who found them for no good reason

[white junco]

they're doing their best

[hushed steeple]

YOUR RIGHT

[frigid tinsel]

There’s a thought that the Light symbol existed before Chosen One, but when they arose to king, they took it on their own symbol to nab legitimacy b

[white junco]

consider: the skykid that named Sneaky Survivor probably didn't fully comprehend that the spirits are dead at the time. looks at. Fainting Warrior

[frigid tinsel]

“Fainting” Warrior

[keen shore]

our skykid imitating them after kills me everytime

[white junco]

fainting warrior ilysm but please. why are there so many different cuts in this one cutscene. what is this, a marvel movie?

[frigid tinsel]

I should re-record this cutscene dressed as a moth to look like a naïve hobbledehoy

[keen shore]

Also thank you so much for the video, further solidifies my observation that they are wounded in the same spot as dusk elder’s altar crack is — also whet the hell is a hobbledehoy why are you speaking pirate language

[white junco]

wait I remember this word

[keen shore]

@rigid mural we were talking about the wound spots a while ago so here is the video, OH HI

[rigid mural]

this cements even further my theory elder mask spirits have more than a cosmetic in common with their elders

[keen shore]

are you method acting for the abyss fic or something alasdair

[white junco]

i'm getting deja vu have we had this conversation before

[rigid mural]

i think a lot about how we find voyager near a mural of the isle elder

[frigid tinsel]

No I just love this word and don’t get a lot of opportunities to use it

[rigid mural]

yeah thats why im not doing another list of spirit-elders for each realm again

[white junco]

oh I meant the word conversation lmao

[keen shore]

ok fair., somehow I am not surprised that this word would be a regular part of your vocabulary if you could use it more often. It fits right in

[bronze arch]

I refined my Corruption Bar idea further.
The right end is supposed to resemble a tail, like a krill.
Obviously it won’t be so thick if it were added.

[frigid tinsel]

moths are hobbledehoys who wouldn't recognize death even if someone died right in their face

[rigid mural]

god the weak sound coming from this spirit breaks my heart

[frigid tinsel]

Not the best pic of their injury but that’s the only one I have. I can go get a better shot from their spirit memories if possible for analysis sakes

[keen shore]

Does confident soldier have the same triangle cloak(?) fainting warrior has? Because they really look like a valley spirit with that on

The general spot seems to be the same (lower abdomen)

[frigid tinsel]

Wasteland bloke with the green cape?

[rigid mural]

You know, if Voyager really does reflect Dawn, and the Beckoning Ruler is a caricature of them, perhaps the elder was trying to salvage traditions but in a society going through industrialisation, it could have been seen as being simply unwilling to let go of the past (the way the beckoning ruler feels the need to control even statues).

In that way, perhaps the elder mask spirits reflect the elders in a more personal way, while TLP spirits reflect how they were seen by others.

[white junco]

courageous soldier has the Some Guy base model (same as candlemaker)

[rigid mural]

it's not the big chest model like saluting captain ?

[frigid tinsel]

no that guy's a skinny lad

[rigid mural]

oops i confused with slouching soldier, nvm
courageous soldier is a manlet

[white junco]

short king (I am using a huge spell)

[keen shore]

Are there any other soldier spirits I am missing in wasteland or does fainting warrior jusr have the valley triangle for no reason (lookout scout might count??)
It kinda looks like a chest plate but you only see it on one wasteland spirit ever

[frigid tinsel]

Here’s a better shot of their front

[white junco]

in wasteland? it's just fainting warrior. but remember we also have Slouching Soldier

[raw crypt]

slouch has the same model as saluting captain

[white junco]

intense anger. In my defense their cape is modeled after the triangle model

[keen shore]

fake buffness

[frigid tinsel]

Lookout Scout from the front for reference

[native shoal]

If the masks represent the elders more personally, then we have the tsadi mask right there: fainting soldier

[raw crypt]

why are rhey standing like that.. are they,, yknow

[frigid tinsel]

Some better pics of their front

[white junco]

some valley spirits with the triangle shape do show up in soldiers memory
ok just 1 i can’t count

[keen shore]

WHY IS ONE OF THE VALLEY SPIRITS THERE

[frigid tinsel]

maybe they knew Slouching Soldier or who they were before they become a drunkard?

[native shoal]

That’s backflipping champion

[rigid mural]

in that logic:
Prairie: Tired, is seen as collecting things to an unhealthy degree OR chasing pipe dreams
Forest: Regretful, is seen as overworking themselves (not wrong, it seems)
Valley: Energetic and Sportmanlike, are seen as arrogant
Wasteland: Exhausted/Burnt out, is seen as lost
Vault: Focused on teaching (interestingly, in adept's memory, the other spirits don't manage to lift the lantern until acolyte does it, so maybe they were attempting something that ultimately failed), is seen as cloistered behind their books

[native shoal]

They’re in citadel

[raw crypt]

heres the shoulder pad close ups which def resemble the chestplate (took them for ref a while back)

[white junco]

stealing everyone's screenshots

[native shoal]

Where do you get the valley masks? None match what the elders have to my knowledge. I agree I’m just curious

[frigid tinsel]

Saluting Protector kinda looks like they have the shoulder pads but it’s hard to tell woth their cape. Could just be using the same base model

[keen shore]

The only thing I will add is that the wasteland parallel might be even more direct, with both of them being injured somehow (would injury for an elder be like corruption or something??) maybe they “died”/got trapped first

[white junco]

slouching soldier is chasing after their own memories. it wouldn't make sense for us to be seeing real actual events that happened bc soldier is kind of inside a very large jar. my guess is that backflipping champion's inclusion could hint towards either valley spirits or specifically athletes being involved in the war

[frigid tinsel]

it's a wonder what could hurt an Elder, especially long term. given their similarities to skykids, perhaps the only thing that could hurt an Elder is darkness.

[keen shore]

The only decent supply of non manlets in the kingdom, judging by lookout scout and courageous soldier

[native shoal]

When we reach them, the eyes of their statues are corrupted blue, like darkness plants, so maybe?

[rigid mural]

It's a bit special because I interpreted the Backflip Champion and Bowing Medalist as the Valley masks since they, like the elders, are very similar, be it the spirits or the mask themselves. It just fit.
The (no longer) lost stream also says the Valley elders masks are meant to be simple and easy to breathe in, so maybe they wore more complicated and regal-looking masks when not competing, such as these horned masks !

[white junco]

maybe the corruption of the realm itself injured Wasteland Elder? Ties to the land & all

[rigid mural]

YES I LOVE THAT PEOPLE FOLLOW THE THEORY ELDERS ARE INTRINSICALLY LINKED TO THEIR REALM

[frigid tinsel]

if the war involved troops (which I think it did involve people hence the "soldiers), then perhaps athletes were drafted beause of their physique.

[white junco]

I have been forgetting the word for months now but what is the term for what a god is like the god of. deific something-or-other

[native shoal]

Domain?

[keen shore]

The only thing that makes me suspicious that it wasn’t Just corruption but something else as well is that wastelands statue every time you see it has a massive crack down the middle, implying physical wound. maybe it was like the sky version of a wound that got infected or something,

[rigid mural]

I also follow the theory that Elders may not have been "of" their realm rather than just heavily associated with them through their activities (industries in forest, a library in the vault and so on).

[frigid tinsel]

they could've been hurt with a weapon that was laced in darkness such as polluted water or darkness flakes. like a poison-tipped arrow.

[native shoal]

Maybe a krill got them? I think they would need something bigger than a krill to hurt them though

[white junco]

maybe the corruption of their realm made them weak enough to be permanently injured by some of these things that wouldn't normally be able to hurt them

[frigid tinsel]

probably a krill of any size could hurt an Elder. especially with darkness on them – even a bite from a tiny krill could infect and hurt a light being

[native shoal]

Maybe their statue got krilled/hj

[frigid tinsel]

I think skykids are alright from a krill attack because they have enough light inside them to overwhelm any darkness infection. but Elders needed regular light offerings to keep functioning, so they may not have had a lot of sustainable light that could wipe out a darkness infection

[white junco]

the only whale we see in wasteland is in the clouds before the social space. (one of) tsadi's light creature is the whale (based on their mask) so whatever happened to the whales could've also damaged them
(I have a personal headcanon that Elders wouldn't have hurt light creatures that were linked with themselves, as they would feel the same pain. so I don't think tsadi is responsible for the lack of whales in the realms. I'm not so sure about the graveyard bones though)

[native shoal]

Maybe the graveyard bones were like leviathans. They have the scale

[hushed steeple]

True. But could the Vault one physically become the Eden one? Like the cataclysm which ended the sky kingdom be precisely this event? The physical enlargement of the diamond, but more importantly, the corruption of it? We see that diamonds as pieces of technology and it's somehow implied that the extensive use of technology ended the spirit civilization. Also, that particular Vault diamond plays such an important role that it is depicted even in the Vault elder scene. Notice that in all the other elder cutscenes we offer them a flame, but here the diamond shape is handed back to us to launch. The imagery and symbolism is very suggestive in this case

[frigid tinsel]

Elder parallel theory:

I do not have much to go off of for the Day and Dusk Elders. the one sure piece of evidence is that they are physically large. Day Elder seems to overlook the welfare of light creatures, perhaps encouraging the ancestors to be attuned with nature or that they are one with nature, thus should respect it as much as they utilize it. Dusk Elder's realm is, well, a wasteland. like Night Elder, they too had strayed from their original purpose. instead of maintaining harmony between the ancestors and nature, Dusk disregarded or exploited nature, turning their realm into the Wasteland it is today.
if Prairie Elder is tied to smaller light creatures like butterflies and birds, perhaps Wasteland Elder is tied to larger light creatures like mantas and whales or big species that are now extinct? we know mantas were harmed in the power diamond manufacturing process. what if whales and other large species were killed off for power diamonds well? hence why we don't see a lot of them.

even if Wasteland Elder didn't directly harm these larger light creatures, they let these creatures be used. even if it hurt them. the Treasure Reef facility is considered part of the Wasteland realm.

[rigid mural]

oh wasteland elder is back on topic
throwing this here, drew it bc of the similarities

Pretty interesting how the first krill area looks a lot like the forest temple imo, so this gives credence to the realm parralel theory
gtg eat but i will bbs, interesting topics here

[white junco]

my first instinct is to try and connect fainting warrior’s appearance in some way to the switch trailer creature but i don’t think there’s anything there

[amber creek]

I got more pictures for my theory that you go through part of vault and Eden "city" in orbit

[white junco]

hair swoopy like creature but it may be a stretch

[amber creek]

And here's some gitched out pictures from eye of Eden after you "die" and before the statues break out. This was a total accident

[frigid tinsel]

while Forest doesn't parallel with Wasteland, the similarities between the Forest Elder temple and the broken temple suggest that they were both power diamond refineries. say if Wasteland Elder didn't want to be directly involved in harming light creatures, perhaps they gave Forest Elder that responsibility.

Forest Elder is a loose cannon given that their own counterpart, the Valley Elder(s), associate with themselves or Forest Elder was never meant to have a counterpart Elder at all.

[amber creek]

I am a very brave child I go through Eden without any help and I am no longer terrified which is why I mostly have more Eden theories about what exactly goes on. Also here's my updated sky kid

[uncut pond]

Oh hey, it's neat to see another person who uses the Doritos mask

[white junco]

forest seems to have connections with several different realms. Off the top of my head, the forest and vault elders have the same mask, tho the vault one is cracked

[amber creek]

New theory for kid at the eden that you hug, that was the first sky kid that sacrificed themselves to Eden

[amber creek]

Omg do people call it the dorito mask 😭😭😭 it was the first time I changed my mask since I got the horn one as a moth

[white junco]

personally I've never heard that before. That's Rain's mask. Tsadi is the dorito elder

[amber creek]

I thought it looked more like a tiara so that's why I picked it to be my new mask (and it gave me vault vibes because I think the vault mask it too tall)

[white junco]

local triangle in desperate need of soup

oh this might be worth mentioning. forest, wasteland, and eden are the only realms not depicted with light creatures in their vault murals. sorry for screenshot hell

WAIT. FOREST MURAL. IS THAT THE BETA MASK ON THE FOREST TEMPLE DOOR

[orchid jolt]

Yeah? The lynx mask is the one on the temple doors, yes.

New lore theory: The Forest Temple is an elder.

[rigid mural]

the furry realm

[sharp lichen]

Temple of furries (sequel to the cave of furries)

[frigid tinsel]

Obligatory Forest Elder is a furry

[rigid mural]

rainstar

[frigid tinsel]

They dope as hell

[rigid mural]

@keen shore

[frigid tinsel]

Would they still be able to wield a hammer? Feels like they would figure that out. Try to, at least. Maybe in their jaws

[rigid mural]

warrior cats manage to do medicine so idk why a giant one wouldnt be able to do blacksmithing

[frigid tinsel]

why does this surprise me

[uncut pond]

Looking more closely at the vault cutscene constellation/mural made me realize

GHOST MANTAS LITERALLY COME FROM INSIDE THE MEMORY CUBES WHAT

How have I not seen that before

That explains why they're called "memories"

[novel marten]

Ok hold on… so spirits used normal mantas to transport things around right?

What if these memory mantas are like guardians/couriers of the information inside the cubes?

[white junco]

i would kill to know what those symbols mean

[uncut pond]

What if they're like the manta that gives us diving in Abyss?
Maybe the mantas are literally just the natural way the memories in the cubes manifest, and their knowledge can be "absorbed" like how skids gain light from being around light creatures

[white junco]

maybe some of their magic system is like runes/coding. they inscribe the words in the memory cubes and certain ones make images that look like mantas

[uncut pond]

Yeah the runes probably had to do with it, language-based magic is pretty cool

[novel marten]

Perhaps as light cycles through the world, it retains some sort of instinct or memory of what it’s previous life was, so that’s how the light creatures remember things

And maybe it affects things like the wind paths too, like the ancestral paths that light creatures used to take and are still passing through

[white junco]

the way the symbols are aligned next to the larger manta make me think that the language was written right to left, but it could potentially vary depending on the image

yeah actually i would say it’s most likely written right to left. if this was a language where the direction it was written in varied depending on the movement of the eye then i’d think the letters by the large manta would be aligned on the left, since the eye follows the manta out of the cube

record scratch moment these are mirrored nvm

[native shoal]

What if they have thumbs

[white junco]

still the issue of not being bipedal

[rigid mural]

i dont think real cats organize themselves into clans to worship the stars either tbh

[keen shore]

OH MY AVTUAL GOD I LOVE THIS SO MUCH

[frigid tinsel]

TGC was not expecting the theorists who zoom in on screenshots to scrutinize every pixel

[white junco]

looking jealously at the splatoon lore nerds, they’ve been translating a lot of their in-game text lately

[keen shore]

I screeched so loudly when I saw Rainstar out of happiness you do not even know. I love the big fluffy lynx legs, I love the hair that somehow manages to look natural with the design, and the leaf hat is killing me,
So much joy is stored in that image

[keen shore]

It is heavily implied/stated that one of the characters (Scourge) stabbed a collar with dog teeth to make his collar. The level of fine motor control required to not only extract the dog teeth from deceased or incapacitated dogs, as well as to manipulate them and get them to go through and stick inside the leather collar, make it reasonable that a cat in the Warrior Cats universe could also hold and manipulate a hammer enough to use it. In this essay I will

[white junco]

shaking tgc. what is lore and what is your game always being at least a little broken

[rigid mural]

salem i love you so much

[amber creek]

Not me trying to translate those rune writings 🙄🙄

[keen shore]

Rainstar could reasonably exist within the Warrior Cats universe, and if they did, they would be RiverClan’s leader due to the massive brook that runs through Forest and its heavily association with water. Furthermore, RiverClan cats are known to have an eye for beauty and were revealed in i think Crookedstar’s Promise to collect shiny shells and most notably rocks, which can been seen as a parallel for Forest being really into darkstone.

It’s been almost 10 years, why do I remember this. TLDR Rainstar could exist within the Warrior cats universe and would be the leader of RiverClan if so

[rigid mural]

Resh could be Scourge since both are adored by the fandom for being edgy.

[keen shore]

no, hear me out. The abyss spirits are BloodClan but I don’t know which one of them would be Scourge.

It really comes down to

1. How violent you are willing to allow Abyss Guide to be
2. if you try to push the analogy by focusing more on Scourge being the leader or whether you focus on him being tiny and violent and filled with rage

[amber creek]

They can't just make a language up and not post the translate!!!!

[rigid mural]

scourge is cannoneer

[frigid tinsel]

Idk who Scourge is but it sounds like Cannoneer would fit

[rigid mural]

i just know scourge is warrior cats sasuke tbh, im just adding onto the chaos

[keen shore]

https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Scourge here you go (spoilers for warrior cats though)

[frigid tinsel]

Character development

[keen shore]

I want to say Tigerstar is wasteland elder because it fits the most but also that’s mean to wasteland because most of Tigerstar’s character development is just “evil”

Also I think forest elder would kin Bluestar. I am not accepting constructive criticism on this /hj

[rigid mural]

im so sorry to people here trying to figure out the vault alphabet
warrior cats

[keen shore]

the heavy warrior cats parallel is so much more important. especially with starclan basically being real in Sky

[white junco]

warrior cats always welcome in lore chat. the mural letters r too crunchy to really make out anyways

[keen shore]

a….are we firestar

[rigid mural]

firekit or firepaw actually

[bronze arch]

There was no Firekit 😭

[keen shore]

WAIT NO THE KING HAS TO BE FIRESTAR BECAUSE OF THE WHOLE PROPHECY THING evil firestar

Lore solved. The entire story is just a retelling of warriors cats if everyone was human and if firestar turned evil somehow

[white junco]

what does this make prophecy guide

[keen shore]

the real debate is if Isle is WindClan or SkyClan

[sharp lichen]

Dogs are the enemy of cats