lore-discussion-spoilers

[rigid mural]

Proof or it didn't happen /hj

[tranquil harbor]

hj is half joking right?

[formal skiff]

(what’s pr?)

[frigid tinsel]

public relations

[rigid mural]

I don't wanna seem hostile but also devs talking in private to fans is almost unheard of here ngl

[tulip aspen]

#beta-discussion
pls dont be mad at my opinions yall

[tranquil harbor]

Jam is the golden child confirmed

[frigid tinsel]

Jam is the most TGC critical, of course they'd bump heads with a dev once in a while

[tranquil harbor]

"I have bug tickets shrieking the song of their people to be fixed" Ktjn is the funniest person ever

[tulip aspen]

it wasnt in private but it was a legit 1 on 1 convo, i expressed disinterest in a solution to a problem they add, so they asked me for about an hour different questions about my disinterest

their questions were a bit aggressive and attacking, but tbf i also attacked the dev processes during the convo... once i think

[raw crypt]

its easy to be intimidated by staff and such but also its good to remember theyre just ppl, and opinions on game design both bad and good r healthy for a game, which reminds me something i wanted to say a while back abt something something don’t overwhelm devs with questions when they come to this chat (i cant read the convo since im avoiding beta spoilers personally GHDHDH)

[tulip aspen]

just like "oh so you just want other people to suffer huh" im like bru what

[rigid mural]

Yeah ngl I find ktjn's tone a bit agressive at times.

Devs aren't scary, just imagine them looking up memes.

[tulip aspen]

anyways what i was talking to them about will impact the lore of something so be prepared to listen to me rant about how stupid it is when that feature is released

[tranquil harbor]

get rekt Jam /lh

[frigid tinsel]

ktjn gives me vibes that they would tell jam to screw off

[tranquil harbor]

I would tell Jam to screw off if I wasn't afraid of getting muted/banned for it. (not right now, but like, when a situation warranted it)

[tulip aspen]

i think i stood my ground pretty well, tbh they were very stubborn and grounded in their idea that this game shouldnt have anything be earned
(this is a general accusation its not... fully- true im just trying to be funny)

[native shoal]

I leave for five minutes and something happened

[tranquil harbor]

I don't completely disagree with him either though.

[native shoal]

What happened?

[tranquil harbor]

Flight really is such a basic movement ability for this game's premise. Having to 'earn' it later is weird.

[tulip aspen]

yea that was a weird argument, idk where that came from when it did

[native shoal]

Isnt flight unlocked when you get that first wl?

[compact shale]

*plugs this into your core hole

[tranquil harbor]

Yes, and you get better at it with practice/exploring to increase your flap count with hidden winged lights

[native shoal]

I am even more confused, why am I being told to sleep

It’s only like 9pm

[tranquil harbor]

Gee, I wonder, person with the username restless

[rigid mural]

Ok nvm I think you were also kinda looking for it Jam xD
I can't backread well on discord tbf tho

[native shoal]

Fair. This exchange did give me an idea though

[tranquil harbor]

It's Jam, they can be strong willed

[frigid tinsel]

i don't wanna get beta spoilers,what was the basis/sides of the argument

[rigid mural]

We're talking about base movement stuff, not rythm hair tho

[compact shale]

that's the problem. it has beta spoilers

[tranquil harbor]

Cowards! Eat spoilers for breakfast like the rest of us! /jk

[native shoal]

Skykids don’t really need sleep but the spirits don’t know that lol, a skykid visits them at 2am and they’re like “The heck are you doing up at this hour GO TO BED”
But skykids don’t really have beds so they just kinda stare at the spirit

[tulip aspen]

SKJD PDI DLJNLDR L

[rigid mural]

Jam doesn't like that moths get access to content

[compact shale]

is this a cipher

[tulip aspen]

no i-
see thats what THEY accused me of!

[tranquil harbor]

Because you're clearly wording things wrong and coming off on the wrong foot. I have experience in this area, it sucks

[frigid tinsel]

you're the one who's always critical of how vets should raise moths

[sharp lichen]

Lorechat has stayed up too late

[tulip aspen]

i know, im really bad at wording things, but-
am i really a jerk...

[compact shale]

Lorechat at 3 am = momchat

[rigid mural]

But they were kinda right tho

[native shoal]

It’s only five hours to reset

[tranquil harbor]

It's only 9:30 guys.

[frigid tinsel]

10:32pm EST gang

[tulip aspen]

this isnt a cosmetic tho, its something both integral to a story and also earned through getting to that place

[native shoal]

Eyyy same time zone buddies

[sharp lichen]

Imagine living in EST! (So do I)

[tulip aspen]

deflated

also bru thats beta content

[frigid tinsel]

hey Jam, you mad bruh? /hj

[tulip aspen]

no?
im just tired now

sorry guys /:

i only worry about these things because i care, im not trying to be a jerk idk

[sharp lichen]

What is GOING ON?? This conversation makes no sense. Flying is an action that you can do from the very beginning of the game, but it can be improved if you go out and find Winged Light

[tranquil harbor]

It's a whole thing Baudshaw

[tulip aspen]

its referencing beta content-

[compact shale]

Wooly manta wants to know what you're talking about

[tranquil harbor]

You'd need to go to one of the beta channels and back read.

[rigid mural]

AWWW

[tranquil harbor]

Forfeit all mortal possessions to wooly manta go

[hushed steeple]

Sorry about the gap of time, had to finish my geometry homework. Anywho, these are the four fish that are currently in the game. The first one is the biggest, it resembles that of a sun fish, its top and bottom fins, as well as a diamond shape in the middle, are gold colored. It has one glowing eye on the front of its head. The second fish has the most variety in size. It resembles that of an angel fish. Its head is colored gold, and has a glowing eye on the front of it. The third fish, as of this moment, can only be found in the sanctuary islands. It resembles a medium-large ocean fish, similar to a sea bass. Its head is colored gold and has an eye on the top of it. The fourth fish is a type of small ocean schooling fish, though it is unknown which one it resembles. It is gold with the tail fin being white. It has a glowing eye on the top of its head. there is one more fish i forgot to mention, that is because i dont have a picture of it but the fish is a koi. It is completely gold colored and has a diamond body with a triangle shaped tail fin. It has no eyes, though it is unknown whether of not it is blind. I wonder what fascinating marine creatures I’ll discover next?!

[raw crypt]

SHOUT OUT TO FISH

sorry i was writing and got distracted by fish i love fish shout out to fish in sky

[native shoal]

I have an idea that makes no sense lore wise but would be neat

[formal skiff]

🤝

[tranquil harbor]

Now that we have diving, I'm really excited to see what kind of places they'll add. I wonder if they're gonna add diving use in future seasonal things. You'd have to go to Abyss at least once to do it though...

[compact shale]

Unless multiple upgrade mantas exist.

[tranquil harbor]

But unlike flight path or tree house it's not hidden. The forest caves too! I never would have found them without help! I get it's called hidden forest but seriously, their side places are nuts

[hushed steeple]

TGC: new season with vast big open pond, we’re deleting you knowledge of swimming, go back to school for another 5 years.

[compact shale]

your privileges have been revoked

[native shoal]

A special type of sky kid, krill tamers. They basically gradually un-corrupt the krill over time and make it not dangerous to other sky kids anymore

[hushed steeple]

Ooooo. Now what if its unsure whether a creature is corrupt or not, like Ruby?

[native shoal]

At that point you just stand in front of it and see if it attacks lol

[frigid tinsel]

i have a headcanon that you can use fireworks from the fireworks staff to distract krill

[hushed steeple]

Well, since Ruby actually learned her lesson and promised to never unrightfully eat fish and people again, she might not be corrupted. But could she be a cause for corruption?

[native shoal]

I am unsure what Ruby is, is it the leviathan?

[tranquil harbor]

Someone came in here calling her Ruby and I love it

[hushed steeple]

Which sky fish is everyones favorite? I quite like the sun fish.

[native shoal]

I think Ruby would take a whole constellation of krill tamers to uncorrupt if she is corrupted, unsure on what would happen if not

[gilded socket]

laughs in 10:32 am

[native shoal]

Also I have decided that a group of skykids is called a constellation

[raw crypt]

I LOVE THE SUNFISH A LOT ALSO

[rigid mural]

That's adorable

[hushed steeple]

Makes more sense than a school……

[gilded socket]

Y'all pay attention to fish? I just vibe with rays and jellyfish.

[raw crypt]

they are my friends

[hushed steeple]

Its my job here actually.

[gilded socket]

Also when did the Leviathan get a name?

[frigid tinsel]

it has many names

[tranquil harbor]

The Leviathan has had 20 names since the moment we saw it

[hushed steeple]

Since before it was revealed to keep it a secret.

[compact shale]

Jugemu Jugemu King Krill Mega Krill Mother Elder Krill Big Fish Giant Fish Levi Leviathan Shadow Leviathan Dark Leviathan Great Leviathan Kraken Leviathan King Krill Mega Krill Mother Elder Krill Big Fish Giant Fish Manyeyes Fluffy Ruby

[frigid tinsel]

names for the big boi I've seen:
leviathan, shadow leviathan, dark leviathan, great leviathan, Levi, Ruby, king krill, mega krill, Kraken Leviathan, Big Fish, giant fish, krill mother, elder krill, manyeyes, fluffy, Spikey, Jorm the Worm

[gilded socket]

Nicknames for pets be like:

[rigid mural]

Fluffy :)

[hushed steeple]

I’m gonna go inspect Ruby now.

[compact shale]

do you know how to get past windwalls

[raw crypt]

hang on i need to see if you can place table spells underwater

[tranquil harbor]

Ruby actually has an oob u can get a good look at them from

[native shoal]

I got another idea, sky kids actually physically growing but the shell either splits by itself or you have to crack it so that it can expand and re-form

Or Like how a bug molts I think, I don’t know how bugs work

[formal skiff]

HOW DO I DO IT

[tranquil harbor]

Heck if I know, the closest I come to using glitches is holding the hand of a friend who's doing it

[native shoal]

Yeah Eden is the more logical idea, skykids choosing the size of the next body they are reborn in

[tranquil harbor]

And it still got my stuck in a bookcase!

[frigid tinsel]

something something resize potion spells

[soft timber]

This is the case of some bugs, all snakes, and some kinds of spiders do it

[soft timber]

growth

[native shoal]

I know the resize potion I mean narratively other ways of having your sky kids grow

[soft timber]

I'd like to think of it as they can "attach/remove" some of what they're made out of to change their height

[frigid tinsel]

there's a headcanon that when skykids get injured, they heal their shell with any surrounding material so they end up looking like patchwork

[soft timber]

I now see a skykid with a patch of red somewhere on their bodies

[hushed steeple]

Ok, creature island theory wise, isnt this specific structure quite suspicious?

[frigid tinsel]

some think it is a skull

[hushed steeple]

They look more like spines/spikes or even……… teeth

I find this to be a little odd, at least from how this spot is right now. You see if you hadnt noticed it yet, there is a winged light right where they are facing. Did the ancestors praise winged light? I dont know, butthis could confirm that winged lights existed at somepoint along side the ancestors.

[formal skiff]

That’s interesting!!!

[frigid tinsel]

winged light very likely didn't exist during the ancestors era

[tranquil harbor]

The winged lights are 'the indents of sky children left behind' (indents isn't the right word, but I'm getting sleepy, sue me). They show up specifically because a ton of sky kids go to one place so many times and all leave a bit of themselves there. It's why you find them in weird, hard to reach places. Sky kids see these places and go 'I want to go there'

The wood plank at the forest entrance is a good example. When flying to the forest, a ton of them saw the planks and probs went 'bet I can land on that'

[hushed steeple]

Is TGC mixing on lore filled sporit memories with regular ones on purpose? Are they trying to point us in he direction of the lore? Lets be sure to keep an eye out next time we get a specified spirit memory quest.

The eden statues show that sky kids could have been around with ancestors at least once, this could mean they left winged lights around with the spirits. Do you think that in this specific memory our character is taking the role of a sky kid from the past? I wouldnt put it past TGC to do something like that.

[frigid tinsel]

those skid statues are heavily implied to be your friends. while ascending, you see their names on the winged light you ascended. also during beta LA the statues themselves had your friends names on it.
I don't think our friends were around during the ancestors era

[compact shale]

The statues probably didn't exist in the Ancestor era

[tranquil harbor]

Put our friends' names back on the statues TGC. I want to see one of my besties and cry in the middle of my eden run

Especially if it's near the end when I have like 2 winged light and then I don't make it to them

[hushed steeple]

Oh, ive never heard of it like that. Hmmmmmmmmm.

[formal skiff]

Nooo that imaginary scene is making me so emotional

[compact shale]

Ah yes, triple angst

[tranquil harbor]

I already feel bad when I can't save just one more statue and I think they're random kids, that situation with someone on my crown constellation would break me

[hushed steeple]

Then what might those three spirits be so amazed about? Could the winged light be representation of a light orb from that time?

[tranquil harbor]

That's the shushing light scholar isn't it?

[hushed steeple]

Im going to head off for a bit, listen to music, and maybe ponder on some sky mysteries.

[formal skiff]

I need to SLEEP. It’s almost midnight here 🥲

[frigid tinsel]

while ascending to Orbit after dying in Eden may be immediate for gameplay purposes, in universe skykids petrified in Eden may be frozen there for days, weeks, or even months waiting for another skykid to come by and gift them winged light to ascend.

going to Eden to free your fellow skykids is a futile cycle since youre constantly hemorrhaging winged light thus cannot save every petrified skykid there. Plus someone would have to come die to save you yourself. Thus it’s impossible to save every skykid.

[tranquil harbor]

where'd u get that

[frigid tinsel]

i wrote that a while ago here.
written a lot about this

[tranquil harbor]

Okay so it's more theory stuff

[native shoal]

Imagine if sky was a ghibli movie

[compact shale]

Last word prompts for your skyfics:
ah, so... this is where you died. *gives light to statue of their friend
Go in peace now, ok? Everything's alright... I'm with you now.

WHAT?! OUT OF LIGHT?! W-WHAT AM I GOING TO DO NOW?! ARE THE REST OF YOU OK?! I JUST- *dies

I can't protect you any longer. We skykids... have to die. It'll be hard at first, but you get used to it.

Guys... where is everyone?! HELLO?!

[frigid tinsel]

one thing about being a lorechat vet is that you can quote yourself

[tranquil harbor]

Man that first one is poetic as heck

[formal skiff]

Aaah this is what makes Sky so bittersweet. The game might seem cheery and/or shallow at first, but dang, it really is that deep…

[frigid tinsel]

something I've written about for my ficverse on what started the cycle in the first place: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[tranquil harbor]

-glares at cool down timer-

[compact shale]

Sky's lore is as deep as life itself.

[formal skiff]

Ok I actually need to sneep snorp now… see ya next time lorechat

[tranquil harbor]

I'm gonna sleep too, later peeps

[rotund glacier]

I WANT TO WRITE WITH THE FIRST ONE HFSUIHFU

[native shoal]

Wait but sky kids are always saving each other, that means that one never remains dead for long

[compact shale]

Be my guest, they're royalty free

[native shoal]

A group of sky kids who make it their purpose to go to Eden once a week and save those who died there, and there’s another group who goes the same thing a few days after their group goes so they always have a guaranteed way out along with saving others

[tranquil harbor]

tbh, in theory if a few kids got enough light, they could free everyone trapped in the back, and start walking toward the beginning. Then get closer and closer until there is only one kid all the way at the beginning. Walk in, free them, walk out. Cycle over

[compact shale]

Note: apparently the idea of this template was that if you couldn't rescue someone in a week they were dead forever or something.

Template story of 5 skykids and Eden.
A: It's been 6 days since we got reborn. Poor E, they sacrificed themselves for all of us...
B: 6 days? That means that no one has found their statue and given winged light to them, huh?
C: Someone's gotta save them soon, or else their statue will crumble to dust on the 7th day, and we'll have no way to reach them!
A: We can't just all come! That would just be a horrible cycle!
B: Alright, so... who has the most winged light out of all of us?
D: Oh...
C: Good luck, D.
*group hug

[frigid tinsel]

haven't really figured the reason why it's the point of no return, why skids cant just turn around

[rotund glacier]

I'm guessing that if you're someone who's brave enough to venture far into the eye you'll most likely be stuck there for a while

[native shoal]

You have the krill tamers and then you have the Eden Cyclers

[tranquil harbor]

I don't think the skids will let themselves turn around. For us it's a gameplay thing, but for them, it's just choosing not to

[native shoal]

The Eden cyclers are the people who go after every reset for ascended candles, they save everyone they can and then a week later they are freed

[compact shale]

But

MOOTHY WHYYYYYYY

[native shoal]

The first thing sky does is give you a purpose
And the little moth has no reason to defy that purpose

[tranquil harbor]

They're some determined little ones. But now Enna is out of here. To the sleep zone I go

[frigid tinsel]

i believe the futility we face in Eden is one of skykids' own making. whatever skykids were originally supposed to do in Eden is up to debate, yet they aren't strong enough to make it to the center without dying. skykids could just buff themselves up with light and charge on past their fellow peers' corpses get to the center, but they have such a love for each other that they can't help but give up their own light to save their petrified friends, weakening themselves so they they will ultimately succumb to the darkness in the point of no return. this leaves more bodies for other skykids to save, weakening themselves in turn, dying, and sustaining the cycle.

[compact shale]

Maybe we were supposed to get to the center or past it to ascend the PROPER way, or maybe even give light to the storm, but friendship instincts go brrrr

[native shoal]

Imagine the spirits who are willing to ‘adopt’ skykids hearing about this and once the kid leaves they’re just screaming “They’re children Megabird!”

[compact shale]

Alasdair has a fic like that but without the adoption part

[frigid tinsel]

how often are yall gonna make me quote myself

[native shoal]

The oldest skykid is around 3 years old, very old to skykids but to the spirits they’re still Babies

Also I wish to read the fics if you’re willing to share

[frigid tinsel]

it's not quite a fic but more something I scrawled down when it came to mind. inspired another fic I'm working on.
Fritjof – Commodor
Vidar – Cannoneer
Marrun – Abyss guide
Sig – Boatswain

[rotund glacier]

this is a personal theory hfuiahiu

I think that when we're born to the world of Sky, that purpose was to free the spirits of those who were scattered in the realms because they were stuck there somehow?
but anyways, reaching the temple and lighting up that candle in the temple (the one to access an Elder cutscene) is the same as paying respects to them, to remind them that they are not forgotten (kinda like paying respects to your relatives who had passed on)
after going through the 6 realms, you go to Eden, which is where you release the souls of the winged lights. I kinda theorized that they were Skykids back then, and they witnessed a similar fate as the spirits did, and by bringing back to their bodies which are in PNR, you're ascending them into the Sky where they can be freed
and then you get reborn, which in turn allows you to start the cycle again

tl;dr: our job as a Skykid is to release the souls of the spirits back to the sky, which in turn would allow us to be reborn

something like that hfuisahu

[native shoal]

Heck my skykid is only 5 months old

[rotund glacier]

how are we calculating the age of Skykids
like by time we spent in-game or

[frigid tinsel]

i just think theyre super young even if mentally a bit older.
for my ficverse, I added the years Sky has been in Live (3) and Sky in beta LA (2) and say 5

[native shoal]

I’m going by how many months I’ve had the game

[rotund glacier]

also, anyone else thinks that Skykids are probably older than we might think that they are?
for example, when we get born into the world, we already know how to walk and everything
could be just game-wise but I still feel like there's something behind the reason for that

[compact shale]

Megabird had a job for us in mind already and wanted us to get crackin' ASAP

[frigid tinsel]

cant really save the world if you're functionally a baby

[rotund glacier]

my Skykid's probably around a year old (maybe somewhere around 13 months) then

[frigid tinsel]

at this point, my two Sky OCs at 11 and 7 months old

[tulip aspen]

yep!

[soft timber]

My little kid would only be a couple of months old then!

[tulip aspen]

thats pretty clever!
that means a majority of them are less than 2 years old tho, a very small minority is 3-5

[compact shale]

Someone in Cozy hcs that 1 season = 1 year but no one else really believes in that

[stone cargo]

hiiii besties of the lore chat

[native shoal]

Hello person with a pink name

[stone cargo]

i am only pink for the aesthetic

Hm…. I like to think Resh is on his fourth divorce. no i will not explain

[compact shale]

My my

[frigid tinsel]

the season timeline is a bit longer and spread out than in-game to accommodate but yea, most skykids in my fic are younger than 3.

i did consider the "Switch moth" boom in my ficverse.
(I should revisit this).

[rotund glacier]

that pretty funny lmao

[atomic grove]

Is there a link for sky lore? I'm v curious about it

[frigid tinsel]

There’s a lore moff doc and a lore theory vault doc but that’s all I got off the top of my head

[compact shale]

There are also a frickton of docs for specific topics!

There's a lot of things we talk about here so if you want to ask about the lore it's best to ask about a specific topic such as a particular season, something unusual you've noticed that might be important, or a particular theme the game has

You can also check the docs in the pins!

Hoo boy no way are we gonna explain EVERYTHING without you falling asleep at some point

But here's a very abridged version of the main story

||The king screwed up
There's darkness abuse
The spirits can't ascend without our help
and now we're here to ascend them||

[atomic grove]

What are pins/how do I access them?

[compact shale]

You see that pin-shaped button on the upper right of the screen? Yeah, click that

[frigid tinsel]

If you’re on mobile, swipe left and select pins

[tulip aspen]

ah yes, a kp remnant

[tulip aspen]

understandable, i actually have thought of ways they could just spread out and pad old seasons

[hushed steeple]

Hi.

No wait its 12am nows not good to check sky lore

[compact shale]

why is divorce part of the king propaganda roster

[tulip aspen]

yeeee i had wanted to point that out earlier, that android and switch could represent a massive boom in skykids!!!

[frigid tinsel]

oh was Android released later than Live?

[tulip aspen]

rip lol u keep doing this i hope u get rest

[hushed steeple]

Someday I will go to bed before it becomes technically the next day

[tulip aspen]

iirc it was like
sanct or prophecy or something, in other chats youll randomly see people complain about how they could never get the chance to play rhythm lightseekers and gratitude cos they were android players but watched Sky closely

[fickle wing]

wdym kp remnant

[frigid tinsel]

huh. TIL, I'll look into that

[icy pewter]

April 7th 2020! IOS was July 18th or 19th of 2019 iirc

[harsh pecan]

a remnant of kp

[tulip aspen]

Rumors say the Propaganda shares less Company these Days.

[fickle wing]

iirc the resh divorce joke started somewhere else actually so not too sure abt it being called a kp thing
anyways dude def listens to this in the castle

[tulip aspen]

oh so during enchantment then?
hm.

[compact shale]

Only in Sky's world!

Divorce makes someone look better... or at least hotter...

[icy pewter]

Indeed! Enchantment was the first android season

[harsh pecan]

imagine how hot resh must be if he got divorced 4 times

[tulip aspen]

whoever 'started it elsewhere' definitely didnt use it as much as.... some interesting individuals sure did over the past year, so i think it can be both

[hoary flare]

Not actual lore but I'm writing an extensive fan lore!

[tulip aspen]

that's not how this works-

[compact shale]

You know the rules and I didn't makethem

[frigid tinsel]

didn't Tsadi divorce Resh twice?

[harsh pecan]

i think

[raw crypt]

Good luck on ur document !! excited to see if u decide to share it!

[tulip aspen]

id love to read it when it's finished!

[hoary flare]

I definitely will! But it's definitely gonna take a while since I have a ton to write

[harsh pecan]

too bad, thats how it works now

[tulip aspen]

damn, it do be workin

[frigid tinsel]

Jam thinks Resh is hot

[fickle wing]

i mean. Im part of the group that kickstarted the joke n stuff so
originally it started w him just divorcing a scrapped character (old valley elder priestess who was mentioned like. Once in the concepts) we decided to make fanon n it just spiraled from there rlly
sometimes taking a big important character like the king and going ok but what if he was pathetic n divorced is fun and ig other groups trailed along w the joke so

[compact shale]

Jam thinks Bondold is hot

[frigid tinsel]

who's that

[harsh pecan]

i mean....

[raw crypt]

hey speaking of resh i had a thought and i mean the prince concept, i think combining the theories that, the winged light are imprints of alef/resh/prince/first skykid/that guy from prophecy murals u know the one, and the idea that winged light are in locations that several skykids have passed/distinct locations for skykids makes me think like, with the idea that each skykid is made up of some of the kings light, or the winged light is related to the king and that’s where the connection draws, that each of us with our individuality yet connection with the king, has passed by a spot enough to manifest a wingedlight, and its really neat, especially tied in with the emotional ideas of wingedlight, the idea that were giving our hope and other positive ideas, and the idea that its a community effort for a new wingedlight to manifest really draws on the idea that sky is about community and friendships and working together, and while you may not know it, you contributed to something greater since wingedlight helps u fly higher, simply being and existing and exploring is doing so much for others and thats rlly! i think abt the wingedlight = desire path concept a lot, and i tie it in with the imprint bc so many of us passed by with the light of the prince/king/not this bit again, that it left an imprint and wooooo

sorry if this is incomprehensible have a nice day

[compact shale]

yes

[harsh pecan]

oooo

[rigid iron]

We should make a list of his exes cause Star casually mentioned one being KFC Colonel Sanders and I was blown out of the water

[fickle wing]

HELLO?

[amber night]

subarashii

[tulip aspen]

n o

[harsh pecan]

do you think hes ugly :(

[amber night]

the rumble of scientific triumph intensifies

[tulip aspen]

yes
i swear
definitely
absolutely
without a doubt
no other option

[compact shale]

Jam thinks Bondold is hot

[tulip aspen]

damn..... 👀

[tulip aspen]

i will throw you

[compact shale]

skykids can't suffer fall damage

[tulip aspen]

they will in a second

||also ur saying his name wrong||

[amber night]

I’ll will throw both of you into the 5th layer

[compact shale]

||I know||

[tulip aspen]

fifth layer of the mindspace? noice

[compact shale]

🪚❔ ❔ ❔ ❔ ❔ ❔ 🪚❔ ❔ ❔ ❔ ❔ ❔

[tulip aspen]

turnip

[compact shale]

fair enoguh

[tulip aspen]

is it fair enough though? will it ever be fair enough? justice has never truly been blind, the system will never be close to perfect

if we can't admit to ourselves that we'll never be as correct as we hope to appear, then could true peace ever be achieved?
sometimes it seems like confidence is subconsciously more important than the truth, and could we ever really admit that to ourselves? does anything really matter if every step we take is birthed of the lie that that step does actually lead to anything important? will we ever truly know anything other than what other people tell us? do we have any freedom at all??

[nimble ingot]

@pastel brook
When will you update your profile picture?

[compact shale]

When they become a PNGTuber

[rigid mural]

Hey fellas, besides the "elders were the stars that fell" and "the king isn't around to be saved anymore" things, what was in the lost stream that was lore relevant and/or still cited despite the disappearance of the source ?

[naive sequoia]

Hey lore chat, long time no see!
Any new lore from the Season of Abyss?

[compact shale]

Upgrade Manta lore ig

[naive sequoia]

Dry season, eh?

[nimble ingot]

Hardly,
There are some cheeky references to Light Awaits.

[naive sequoia]

Give me the deets please!

Uh, I hope it's not too much of a bother

[compact shale]

Raider's writing an essay

[naive sequoia]

Lore chat essays are always something to look forward to

[nimble ingot]

Among other things, the mosaic eel was the large and mysterious creature that used to be in Dawn (as far as I can see from old play through videos). When Dawn was undergoing changes between updates, the creature was replaced by the whale, then removed entirely.

The mosaic eel is also shown in concept art, either in various designs, or ideas that implies that it may have been used to foreshadow what would have happened in Eden. Eden, based on concept art during Light Awaits, would have had the King fighting a ginormous dark creature.
This may have been a version of the Leviathan we have in the season, or a different variant of a corrupted elder creature.

The spade fish (as I like to call them) were also shown in concept art for both Dawn and night.

Aside from the creatures, the story hidden in the murals shows the ancestors playing an active role that may have contributed to the corruption. While in the past, there seemed to have been a toss up between the ancestors and elders about who would was responsible. Though it is seemingly apparent that either one party started the chain of events and the other tried to stop it. Or both parties involved were the cause of the corruption and were trying to mitigate it.

This season shows that the concept art may not be completely discarded, however, based on how the plot in Sky: Children of the Light, and Light Awaits are different. The old concepts in the old concept art may be repurposed for other things instead of their original purpose.

That is about all I have off the top of my head and as always, am happy to discuss the lore.

[naive sequoia]

Ah yes, the "king krill" I've heard so much about. Yeah, I remember that art... The teeth... Ugh.

Looks like they compensated and added the eyes instead

[compact shale]

Apparently it's implied that king krill used to have LESS eyes

[naive sequoia]

Iirc he didn't have any eyes in the old concept art

[nimble ingot]

Multiple eyes is an interesting detail.
Strangely enough, the krill may appear to have 1 glowing eye, if you are lucky (or unfortunate) enough to get a real close look at it, it has multiple eyes too (7 if I recall correctly).

[naive sequoia]

Excuse me, what

[nimble ingot]

Its true, I think I have the screenshot still, one moment.

[rigid mural]

While in the past, there seemed to have been a toss up between the ancestors and elders about who would was responsible. Though it is seemingly apparent that either one party started the chain of events and the other tried to stop it. Or both parties involved were the cause of the corruption and were trying to mitigate it.

I like to think the elders are the embodiment of their realm (like Forest whose rain some headcanon is the elder's tears), perhaps a personification of some demographics when the ancestors were alive (the prairie elder definitely had something with farmers and rural workers), so this makes things interesting.

[nimble ingot]

Here are the eyes highlighted.
4 above the nose and 4 more under the point of the nose. Then the orb where the light would be shining from.
So, there is 8-9 eyes (I was mistaken with 7)

There is another image that shows the eyes on the full sized krill, I am still digging through my files for it.

[hushed steeple]

ahhhuh guys i decided to hyperfixate on sky lore and uhm why sad???? why is it sad??? who decided this???

[nimble ingot]

Sky lore is like an onion.
The more layers you peel away, the more you want to cry

[compact shale]

You're the one who created this saying

apparently

[hushed steeple]

like, in the trailer isle of dawn used to be green and populated and im just

[compact shale]

sometimes it make u go

[nimble ingot]

I havent?
I do not think I would be the first, nor likely the last.

[hushed steeple]

sky is just very lonely, this is ofc all wishful thinking but damn it would be good if you could rebuild the sky world to what it used to be

[compact shale]

first instance I can find

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[nimble ingot]

That was me XD

[sharp lichen]

Good morning! What did I miss in lorechat?

[nimble ingot]

Krill have 9 eyes and Fruitzie called me out for using a saying, that I used before.

I misread, apologies to Fruitzie

[compact shale]

I'm just saying

you're the OG onion preacher

[nimble ingot]

Sorry, I misread

[compact shale]

like
I didn't know who originally said the onion saying before I looked it up

it's you!

[formal skiff]

I knowwww it’s so saaaad

[sharp lichen]

HAHAHA! Welcome to the crew, loremoth. You’re just getting started

[harsh pecan]

Ikr

[soft timber]

Life is depressing, and so is Sky

[soft timber]

Does anybody think that, theoretically, the fish live outside of the water? We do know that mantas can freely go in and out of water and to some extent, so can the Whale and various jellyfish can live both in and out of the water as well. Only asking because it dawned on me now

[nimble ingot]

In theory, yes.
Before the season of Abyss the only fish like creature other than the krill and the manta, was the whale.
That creatute has never been seen underwater, but make appearances from clouds.

Ergo, virtually any light creature can survive ina nd out of water, unless observed to behave otherwise (ex. the new fish creatures and the koi fish being only found underwater)

[soft timber]

Sweet! I haven't seen the new fish creature, but I do know the Koo fish and the eel looking creature are only seen underwater

[tranquil harbor]

The trials: So difficult they're used to find a 'chosen one'. Multiple ancestors have failed (and possibly died)
Sky kids: -running trials repeatedly- Trials for play?

[sharp lichen]

Skykids have teleportation powers that save them when they die,that’s how they solve it

[tulip aspen]

in game coelecanth and Sanctuary whale werent really given properly detailed faces, but that eye pattern looks eerily like that coelecanth concept where you have it head on.....

[native shoal]

Bro the water trial is fun

[tulip aspen]

Krill have 9 eyes
que??

[tulip aspen]

oh wait what, that's the memory krill??

hmm

[native shoal]

Wind trial is not fun.

[lofty void]

Agreed, water trial is the best.
Wind trial on the other hand…

[tranquil harbor]

I used to love water (and I still do), but I think earth became my favorite. I've become a better flyer and see wind as 'quickly candle run it' viable, but fire is awful. Alone it's rage quit hell, and even with a friend it's tedious, because 3 floors is just too many given its specific mechanics

Like, there is 'yay, the worms don't hurt me anymore' cathersis, and then there is hunting every. single. worm. down at the end because you feel actual blood lust

[rigid mural]

Felt

[frank vessel]

water and earth are just actually fun and not a pain to do imo

[tranquil harbor]

Wind becomes like that once you've done it a few times and learned it, but it's so tedious the first time you're unlikely to want to do that

[frank vessel]

bc I can speed through wind easily/spiral with friends I find it kind of boring tbh

[tranquil harbor]

They nailed 2, get a vague hand wave of neutrality on 1, and failed 1 (all in all I think that's pretty good)

[queen pike]

this is amazing

[nimble ingot]

The real thing uses the same model.

Just glad the devs were kind enough to give us a 'krill' that wont attack us and would show us what they actually look like.

Fire trail is fun, as long as you know where to go.

[frigid tinsel]

I do not know where to go

[lean siren]

confession: I have never finished fire trial my friend did it for me

[tranquil harbor]

Can't do that when you can't see the candles. You end up deep calling and deep calling, hoping you're at the right angle to see it pass by the silhouette of a candle. In the later floors, where basically every singular candle is a worm path and check points are very sparse? It's basically getting wormed every candle and sent aaaaaaall the way back. Like, it's just not enjoyable alone. With a friend you can be invincible on candles, but like, getting someone to go with you can be difficult

That said, my friends teaching me witchcraft (and then how to trick god themself) was a fun experience both times

[nimble ingot]

There are in fact a few 'safe' candles.
I use 2 of them to get in sync with the shadows.

It has not changed much since the season ended (aside from the bonus candle cakes that is).

While water trail is still brutal for chibis, there are more check points for you to use.
Earth trail's blocks are a little bit easier to step on (for me at least, they feel a tad bit slower after the season).
Air trail got more check points and a few adjustments with the wind walls that may blow you off course (some still get you, but that is because of the candle launchers being as inconsistent as they were in the season).

[tranquil harbor]

There are safe candles, but not enough really.
The biggest issue with earth trial is how finicky the kids' jumps are. Like, I run into it all the time trying to jump off the forest ledge. The kid either refuses to jump more than half a millimeter, or they go whole hog and clear 50 feet passed where you need them to. (which is also an issue in wind)

The fact that water trial is so brutal for chibis is highly amusing for no good reason though. I couldn't do it today because I was too lazy to go home and take off my mask first. Like, can we get a cosmetics station in the trial cave, please?

[nimble ingot]

true, that or get chibis water wings

About the trail, the only improvement I would think would be very helpful is to let skykids' light be either harder to put out, or let them last a little longer while their light is out.

I lost count how many times my light when out right as I got light again. Even if my skykid already got their looks back when they get their light right after losing it, the game would decide, "Nope, you are out, back to the start you go. Next tome, don't lose your light. Like, ever."

[tranquil harbor]

Yeah, I'll be doing the water trial, the check point decides to be finicky to light, and the water has gotten me even though the checkpoint lit and proceeded to raise not a millisecond after I was out. And I still get shunted to the last check point. It can be finicky to jump on lit check point hills sometimes, since they're raised the way they are
Tbh, for fire it'd definitely be 'make at least one of the multi candles on floor 3 a regular check point. Maybe one on floor 2 (probably), but I don't remember where the area is that is just brutal

[tulip aspen]

i dont wanna believe the real one has so many eyes tho hm....

ill def have to go see this idk how i never noticed

[sharp lichen]

Yes.

[native shoal]

Especially because my sky kid is tall

[sharp lichen]

Is the fire trial still bugged?

[tranquil harbor]

Apparently. For the longest time I just thought switch players were unlucky and we couldn't see the candles.

[rigid mural]

Switch players can play Sky at 60fps, peak of decadence compared to Android.

[queen pike]

it's bugged?

[tranquil harbor]

Apparently people are supposed to be able to see the next unlit candle

@rigid mural I see chibi moth in full big screen

[queen pike]

👁️👄👁️

[frigid tinsel]

I’ll do water trial as chibi challenge

[keen shore]

This is what I think WL are too :-) wonder if we could ever merge into our former form… hmm…does anyone want to join me in jumping into the King Soup

[nimble ingot]

Water trial, yeah the candle to the check point needs polish. I am not sure if it is a server thing or connection thing, but with the time pressure, having the checkpoints be a little more reliable would help.

Fire trail, I think the area in section 2 you are referring to might be the final stretch where there is a long line of candles that are spaced far apart, and then the figure 8 right at the end of the 2nd section.

[nimble ingot]

Still looking for the better image (it might trigger the mods but we'll see when I find it)
This one may help support the case in the mean time.

There you can see the 4 'eyes' at the top of the nose/face, and a hint of the other 4 and the bigger eye that would presumably be the glowy boi.

[keen shore]

I don’t like him [krill]

[tulip aspen]

why would it need those

they dont even glow

sus krill

[tranquil harbor]

yeah, like, maybe the candle bunch right before the figure 8 should be a check point? It's a long trek back.

that krill pic is gonna give me nightmares

[tulip aspen]

anyways off to make a poor taste joke in general

[soft timber]

This is so off putting but I think it's a cool thing to know

[tulip aspen]

me when theorizing about how elevators work in vault

[nimble ingot]

welp here is the kicker.
Up till the season started, these extra eyes were random as there are not many other creatures with this triat.

Except another creature, now in the game. And I am not talk about the Leviathan.

[nimble ingot]

I have been trying to get a good shot of the mosaic eel's face any chance I get.
This one of the better ones I got that shows the 4 eyes under the 'nose'.

If it has another pair at the top, then this eel may be a close relative of the krill, or possibly an uncorrupted (though smaller) variant of the Dark Dragon.

Bonus points, if this 'eel like creature' is called a Light Dragon

[undone trench]

Interesting, I thought the extra eyes on the krills where leftovers of a scrapped idea for krills to have multiple eyes, but now that there's 2 new creatures with more eyes and maybe more, it being a scrapped idea doesn't seem like the reason now,

[nimble ingot]

Agreed

[tulip aspen]

there's eyes on that boi?

[plucky torrent]

So I took ruby dissolving into a swarm of small fish as proof that she was a big dark creature made out of many smaller corrupted light creatures. If this is true, krill wouldn't have to be a corrupted form of a similar size/similar looking light creature. Each krill could be made of multiple mantas. Or jellies, birds, etc.

[nimble ingot]

Interesting theory.

The leviathan, Ruby as you call it (we need an official name, TGC), is still around after the final quest. That and is the same size as before.

[undone trench]

I think the swarm of fish was leaving by the leviathan mouth the same way we did, so maybe instead of it dissolving into fishes those where fishes it ate and they escaped as well when we did.

[plucky torrent]

I never went back after the quest. Still, the Manta trapped in darkness seems like it was part of the levitation, not just yesterday's lunch.

[frank vessel]

...is this one of them new tomorrows creatures or smth

[nimble ingot]

can you please elaborate?
What is a tomorrow creature?

welp, that is enough lore chat for today.
See you all around 👋

[frank vessel]

LOL

repost but marked as spoiler tw some creepy or disturbing imagery

[undone trench]

That could be a possible reason, it does seem a bit off the manta being there but I believe light creatures become stone like those when they are in contact or near darkness for that long or maybe even when attacked by krills, like what we see on forest with the manta stuck on darkness but more serious to some extent

[wraith lily]

Where is the Leviathan at after final quest? I thought they disappeared :””0

[undone trench]

I think it should be near the place where it was on the 5th quest, but I'm not really sure,

[wraith lily]

Time to do some digging to see where it is now then—.. maybe we can learn more lore that way 👀 and thank you for the answer!!

[tranquil harbor]

Go back into the abyss and you can see it swimming around at the bottom. You can't get to it though, there is a wind wall (wind floor?)

[wraith lily]

Wow thank you! Turns out it has a whole new place at the bottom very deep bellow.

[tranquil harbor]

They've learned their lesson and won't attempt to eat us again, so we can study them freely

[keen shore]

Apparently dark creatures having multiple bright red eyes is a common thing (leviathan, crabs from trailer)

Personally I don’t see these as being actual functional eyes and more like corrupted darkstone embedded into the creature, but it’s hard to tell

[wraith lily]

Absolutely. Though.. it does make me wonder if they can be reset so we can observe them in the tank 🤔

[undone trench]

I have seen some concept art of the creature we see at the entry of dry foresrt's cave that showed it having multiple eyes, I can't find it anymore but I'll have to check In game to see,

Couldn't get a good look at it when it's alive and moving so I went to check on the bones and, yes it seems like there's little holes on the face where eyes should be,

[frigid tinsel]

the concept art people keep talking about

[undone trench]

Does seem to look like the one I seen,

[keen shore]

This is extremely off topic but just going to post it before I inevitably forget about it.

So I have been thinking about enchantment and prophecy lights for a bit and I came up with an absolute crackpot theory that sounds weird, but would explain an odd amount of stuff. I doubt it’s canon but here goes

The Elders are the Lights
So you know how the current theory states that skykids are hard clay shell outside, yellow light / flame inside? I have been thinking for a bit about what would happen if instead of just generic yellow light being inside us, it was one of the enchantment/prophecy lights. Mostly as a “hey how would this work” type experiment. I mean, they are pure light, right? just ones with specific powers.

And while I was thinking, I realized the prophecy murals showing the elders using each light only show each of them using a specific light each. You can take a quick look at the murals here [#lore-discussion-spoilers message] if you want to see. Then I read velas message here [#lore-discussion-spoilers message] and realized… oh. What if the elders ARE the lights??

[carmine fog]

do you think it hurts when skids start losing their light, like when they're in the rain in the forest or the polluted waters of wasteland. I imagine it does at least hurt a bit

[keen shore]

A quick list of things that this could explain, some of which I don’t have an alternate explanation for.

• Where the lights come from each time they manifest. Essentially, were these lights getting carried around constantly? I doubt it. If this is true, manifesting the light would be like us manifesting their candles.
• Why each light stays the same for each elder and why they conveniently line up number wise.
• Why the light seems to influence each realm that much - of course it would influence them, they’re practically getting ruled by them
• Why the elders need our light in the first place and have glowing patterns on them similar to our cape when lit. They are light beings, they’re just not as powerful when we give them ours because it’s not the right type to completely heal them
• How it would be possible ever for them to gain their power(?) and what makes them different from normal ancestors. Pretty simple, part of their inner light got replaced with elemental light. I don’t want to assume they had to go through the trials to get it because there doesn’t seem to be much evidence for it, but that might be their version of the WL at the end of trials
• How it’s possible to have Large Important lights and smaller ones you can take around on a boat to make spells with. The small ones are gifts from the elders (who ARE the big important lights)
• Even possible personality changes in the elders later on in the kingdom caused by being part of that element as it takes over more of their light, caused by using it more

Feel free to add more !

[frigid tinsel]

I’m low words rn but That’s a very interesting thought, if their inner light were replaced with other types of light

[keen shore]

Thank you ! I know it’s a weird idea but would explain a surprising amount of stuff

[bronze arch]

We need a full compendium of moth names.

[frigid tinsel]

Ask isle elder

[tranquil harbor]

I have collected many

[sharp lichen]

Do you know how moth names are generated? That would take gigabytes of storage

[hushed steeple]

What do you think happened so that the realms of Sky were deserted? I mean is sad to think all of the spirits once were alive

[carmine fog]

sad but interesting

[frigid tinsel]

They were once alive. Then Eden went boom

[sharp lichen]

The most talked-about explanation is that the gigantic diamond you see at Eden had a role in the destruction of the Sky kingdom. I believe that the now-gone Eden Elder created this diamond

[carmine fog]

so is the sky world on a planet like a globe like structure?

i want a full map to show where everything is in relation to other places

[tranquil harbor]

there is a map showing how wind paths connects to all the lands actually. But it's either dubiously canon or chinese server specific, tbh I don't remember

[rigid mural]

I feel seen 👀
I was wondering if the elders were more intimately linked to their lights too since we don't really see them drawn without them too;
Perhaps the lights that fell as depicted in Prophecy were the elders

[pastel brook]

Ktjn clone reporting for duty!

[tranquil harbor]

Give us the real ktjn, he's cooler

[sharp lichen]

It has to be, given that gravity is the same across all places

[hushed steeple]

Hahaha for sure, but why?

[carmine fog]

i thought so, also because of th||e satellite structure above the office that supposedly looks down on our world||

[sharp lichen]

Like I said before, the Eden Elder had something to do with it. His motivations were unknown, but he’s believed to be the first Skykid and the first person to industrialize the power diamonds you see

[hushed steeple]

That’s sounds good, I wonder for what purpose was made

[tranquil harbor]

the only issue with anything connected to the office is that it's the easter egg zone

[sharp lichen]

There are plenty of theories: since normal power diamonds absorb light, maybe the Eden Elder out a gigantic power diamond right next to the giant light-filled are that is orbit.

Or maybe, he was trying to help the Sky world, but it went disastrously wrong.

[hushed steeple]

I just want to hear some cool theories xd

[rigid mural]

In the concept timeline, elders were regular ancestors that were gifted the flame. Make of that what you will

[sharp lichen]

My personal theory is that the Eden Elder is just a powerful, immature, child, and just wanted to build the Eden diamond because he wanted to

[keen shore]

Hmmmmm they could be… my thoughts on the stars falling was that it shows the entire mural happening in chronological order from right to left, but it could just be the elders as well… Hmmm

The only thing that is odd to me is the red light. By process of elimination that would probably be isle elder, but I don’t know if they’d choose to have a light that connected to darkness [considering.. everything]. Both isle and vault elders are drawn without lights, maybe isle elder just never merged with one?

Thank you for responding, btw!

[rigid mural]

Oh btw ash said there's a reason the prophets are so tall. Might have been a joke but...

[bronze arch]

I do not.

[hushed steeple]

Lol I never thought the eden has a elder

[rigid mural]

There's an old, old slide from a stream somewhere where daleth was planned to be like a teacher figure to aleph & their loss weighted heavy on their conscience, lemme find it

Krii really likes this bit of concept stuff

[keen shore]

Oooohhh what if the king got the red light… or got a little bit of all of them ?

Isle might be connected to red light (red light shows murals on ark and isle is full of those) but it’s hard to tell since there aren’t any great theories on what it does. Does it create or control darkness like the other lights seem to control their element? Could you even stick it in a being of light without worrying that being would get corrupted from the darkness ?

[hushed steeple]

Mmm if you mix all color you get black(?

[keen shore]

Yes and no. Mixing all paint colors gets you black, iirc mixing all light colors gets you white

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[formal skiff]

Well mixing all paints gets you more of a… dark muddled brown

[harsh verge]

if you mix together all the main colors (red,yellow,blue) or all the colors generally you will get a brown

[tranquil harbor]

bad bot

[keen shore]

Conspiracy theory
All paint colors together = skykid shell color
All light colors together = inner light color

I doubt this is the case (it seems like we only have basic light) but odd coincidence. Paint colors don’t matter too much in this scenario because most of sky is about light, but could be wrong here

[compact shale]

It's quite simple, isn't it?

Tallness like that is useful to have when you're covering a whole cave with murals!

[sharp lichen]

It’s alternating between a vowel and a consonant, with no repeat letters. That’s it. So, Paper could be a moth name

[formal skiff]

That repeats p

[keen shore]

Salem could be a moth name :-)

[snow topaz]

I remember reading somewhere that sometimes capes seem to act as a second pair of arms?

||Little Prince Scarf cape being used as a rope||

||this but with skids and scarves instead of sans and whatever he has going on https://youtu.be/7vfa1gxndMw||

[bronze arch]

Then nah fam that's a few terabytes.

[sharp lichen]

But there’s a limit to the length of the name, so it’s only gigabytes

[bronze arch]

Uh no

21 > 5 > 21 > 5 > 21 > 5
5 > 21 > 5 > 21 > 5 > 21

Terabytes.

[sharp lichen]

Not math again

It’s even worse now, because it combines computer science with arithmetic

[tranquil harbor]

Math, enemy of all

[half shadow]

Elders @ skykids when asked why they’re so tall: Height is a choice.

[tulip aspen]

light is depicted falling in prophecy?

[boreal nebula]

[tranquil harbor]

I want to know if spells/chibi mask would work on elders. And, if they would, do the elders have a specific 'elder chibi' size. Would they be as tiny as descendant chibis, or like, ancestor/max sky kid height?

[formal skiff]

Oh my Megabird imagine big ol Prairie Elder the size of a Sky kid chibi

[keen shore]

Kinda! We were talking about the falling stars on the left of this first mural here [#lore-discussion-spoilers message]

[sharp lichen]

I want to rank the realms based on the music they have

[native shoal]

Child Wasteland Elder

[tranquil harbor]

Still capable of beating up a krill

[native shoal]

Indeed. They do need a different spear though, their normal one is 5 times bigger than them at that point

[keen shore]

I still think vault elder is either

• wearing elder equivalent of Chibi mask
• isn’t wearing one, but would remain the same size if they put one on

[tranquil harbor]

Sky kid's shortest and chibi is slightly different, so I am forced to go 'they would shrink, but only slightly'

[keen shore]

Also I think wasteland elder could still hold the massive spear as a Chibi. It makes no sense how, I just feel like it’s possible

[tranquil harbor]

He must. It adds to the comedy of a chibi taking down a krill

[compact shale]

The smaller you are, the more dense your muscles/light is.

[tranquil harbor]

Wasteland Elder isn't legally allowed to become chibi, because the last time he did, his massive strength destroyed something

[keen shore]

You could use wasteland elder Chibi as a cannonball due to density

[native shoal]

Just the square cube law he can lift 30 times his own body weight as a chibi

[tranquil harbor]

How much does he weigh as a not chibi tho

[native shoal]

No idea but I’m guessing around 300-400lbs of muscle, plus he’s Tall

[tranquil harbor]

Wasteland Elder my beloved

[sharp lichen]

We could calculate it by figuring out Sky’s gravity

[native shoal]

Yes let’s do it

[tranquil harbor]

I am not looking forward to more math

[native shoal]

I am not good at calculating gravity in video games but I can do it in real life

[sharp lichen]

So uh. We need to find how much a meter is in Sky, then time how long it takes to fall as a Skykid (or an Elder, if we can), and find the length of the distance they dropped and calculate it

[tranquil harbor]

we need something's weight too

[keen shore]

I’m not sure how we can get any of those things

[native shoal]

I don’t think we can

[sharp lichen]

There’s also the gravitational constant, which is uh math stuff. Can we call a calculus major?

[tranquil harbor]

Make puppy dog eyes at the devs. If we all do it, they won't be able to resist.

[formal skiff]

Don’t we have the heights of average skid and chibi? We can use those to measure

[sharp lichen]

Do you have it in real-world measurements, by any chance? If not, we’ll have to use real-world objects found in Sky

We can just estimate it, we don’t need a fixed measure

[stable olive]

Someone said physics

[sharp lichen]

We’re trying to calculate the gravity of the Sky world

[stable olive]

What

[compact shale]

gravity

[sharp lichen]

We need to factor in air resistance too!

[compact shale]

Ah yes, air resistance

The Forgotten One

[lyric isle]

you’re doing it wrong

assume that everything is a perfect sphere first
hi I’m studying physics and the mechanics part of it is wack in terms of oversimplified models

[sharp lichen]

We’ll ignore it for now,

[compact shale]

you're gonna use the sphereyin spell on us?

[lyric isle]

perhaps

[stable olive]

Force = mass / gravitational constant. To find gravitational constant we'll also need the mass and radius of the Sky world

[compact shale]

is Sky's world even round-

[keen shore]

Also considering how weird gravity gets we may have to account for weird things like the possible slight gravitational pull of a manta or even.., us

[lyric isle]

what even is the gravitational constant though

ok but. headcanon for skykid flight as to how they can rise without any prior running before taking off: they heat the air around them with the flame to lift themselves with their capes. think hot air balloons

[stable olive]

Imagine if each Sky realm is a branch to a different moon or satellite in a system

[sharp lichen]

To figure that out, we need to figure out if Sky’s gravity is the same across all realms. We can actually find that quite easily

[lyric isle]

vault prob shouldn’t be considered as that’s a dreamscape of sorts

[sharp lichen]

It’s debatable, but we should still try it

[compact shale]

illusions have their own laws of physics

actually I think some only consider Vault an illusion from the 3rd floor up

[stable olive]

Dreamscapes can have gravity, you saw them broken pieces

[compact shale]

They can, but it doesn't mean they HAVE to, or that they HAVE to have the same gravity as everywhere else

[sharp lichen]

Here’s my first experiment: get a stopwatch, fly 1 burst directly up, then fly back down. Even if you count air resistance, it should be the same across all realms if the Sky world is round

[stable olive]

Never said they had too, just said they could

[keen shore]

My idea for how this works is that we can somewhat manipulate our own gravity. Not too much, but enough to glide easier or jump farther. It would explain why we only jump short distances and walk normally on a planet whose gravity allows rubble to just float

Unfortunately, that idea would make calculating a gravitational constant a LOT harder because

1. we can no longer use ourselves as examples of flying objects
2. if we can manipulate gravity, who knows what other creatures can as well

[lyric isle]

something something SUVAT equation pain

[keen shore]

Do u guys think sphere ayin has their own gravity

[compact shale]

What if gravity manipulation is also how we can handstand just by looking at it once

we use gravity to keep our bodies from collapsing into itself and forming a paradoxical singularity

[stable olive]

Better idea: ask TGC for the gravity constant they used for flight animation simulation

[lyric isle]

wanting to say ‘aren’t we overthinking’ but that’s the fun of it

[formal skiff]

I don’t. I believe someone does, though.

[compact shale]

It's okay to say it as long as you don't say it the way skybot does

by which I mean "LOOK FAM IT'S NOT THAT DEEP"

Because we have too many images of rebuttal images for that

[keen shore]

This would be simple math if we knew most of the variables. Unfortunately we know none of them

[compact shale]

PAIN

[lyric isle]

would look at physics resources if I could be bothered

[stable olive]

Physics is pretty much plug and play... problem is we just don't have anything to play with

[sharp lichen]

I FOUND SOMETHING!
In Isle, Prairie, and Vault, the time it takes to fall from a height of 1 winged light rise is about 2.2 seconds.

But for Forest, Valley, and Wasteland, it’s about 1.8 seconds.

Could this mean anything?

[stable olive]

Air density difference
Or wind resistance

[keen shore]

RIGHT… even getting length measurements is going to be a struggle on its own. Not to mention shivers mass measurements

[lyric isle]

I’m
tempted to discuss the rock - I mean home statue

not now, but later
to reduce the amount of a grudge I have towards it. gonna be a looooong process to reach acceptance over the whole questgiver situation and this journey has prob only started so

[formal skiff]

I mean I’m pretty certain SOMEONE has estimates of how tall chibis and average skids would be irl. I just don’t know who it is. So that, coupled with recording falling time, could give us two things.

[sharp lichen]

Could we find the mass of real-world objects and put them onto Sky objects?

[keen shore]

Now we have to figure out their mass. UNFORTUNATELY… this also means probable anatomy debate.

Best guess I think is to attempt to calculate the amount of clay in their shell and assume it’s hollow

[formal skiff]

Huh….. ~~whyyyy this only complicates things ~~

[sharp lichen]

WHAT ABOUT CRABS

[lyric isle]

i just want to know what’s going on with it so i can think about fun lore ideas rather than wish to break it into pieces with Forest Elder Teth’s hammer every time or something

[compact shale]

ALASDAIRRRRRRRR

[stable olive]

Doesn't the skykid size chart come with height equivalents in meters

[sharp lichen]

WHERE

[foggy lotus]

might be this website idk rlly https://skykidheight.com/

[formal skiff]

Guys we need to make a list of all the variables we need to acquire

[keen shore]

Crabs are either hollow or have the mass of a chunk of lead and there’s no in between

[compact shale]

I love Sky but I hate physics so I don't know whether to stay or to go

edit: Bird Kid ngl I thought you were spelling out "STAP" at first

[stable olive]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[keen shore]

Okay, idea:
Drop a crab, time how long it takes it to fall from a height vs a skykid falling from same height. May be able to tell us same or similar mass… not sure where to go from there

[stable olive]

Dunno if this helps but someone tried lol

[lyric isle]

physics nerd here who would give input but is too tired

[foggy lotus]

ig all we know tthat rock crabs are heavy enough to sink in water

[sharp lichen]

YES FINALLY

[compact shale]

when will we get to use crabs as weight

[keen shore]

We can use an entirely crab based system of measurement [funny out of context phrase]

[foggy lotus]

how fast can crab fall?

[keen shore]

Oh god it broke the sound barrier /j

[compact shale]

didn't someone use a pillow to measure crabs?

[sharp lichen]

I have a serious question: do resize positions affect your size if you wear a chibi mask?

[foggy lotus]

no

[slow portal]

but if you take the chibi mask off i think the size you got will now show, right?

[foggy lotus]

yea

[keen shore]

They did but I can’t find the post anywhere

[compact shale]

AAAA EHLP

[sharp lichen]

I found something- a wing boost is equal to about 3.5 chibi skykids! I need more testing, but we can work out a rough falling speed

[sturdy valve]

Is there any compilation of the lore somewhere aside from the story resources and concept art? I really love diving into lore discussion but I'm completely at loss as to where to start

[compact shale]

There's a lot of things we talk about here so if you want to ask about the lore it's best to ask about a specific topic such as a particular season, something unusual you've noticed that might be important, or a particular theme the game has

You can also check the docs in the pins!

Hoo boy no way are we gonna explain EVERYTHING without you falling asleep at some point

But here's a very abridged version of the main story

||The king screwed up
There's darkness abuse
The spirits can't ascend without our help
and now we're here to ascend them||

These docs may be outdated, but they might help you think of a topic to bring up!
Lore Moth Doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18B1-SKG3toG0oH0VhOWC5o-cG9u0STAN92QvmbhTDto/edit?usp=sharing

The Canon Lore Doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10ZWJRGiJSrIXgDvJ4pST61moZbVB_hBExUjOaF-pmOE/edit?usp=sharing

[sharp lichen]

Here’s what I got. Using 1 wing boost, Skykids fall at about 1.09 meters per second! Now we should find terminal velocity

[sturdy valve]

Thank you so much!

[formal skiff]

Ok sooo where do we start for that?

[sharp lichen]

First, we need to find drag. Here’s the drag formula! (We really need someone better at physics than me)

[formal skiff]

Ok do u need someone to go swim somewhere? Or are we only doing air? Ignore me briefly forgetting that liquids and gases are both fluids.

[foggy lotus]

i can feel my 3 braincells having a stroke

[sharp lichen]

We should do air first, then water. However, swimming speed could be useful

[formal skiff]

Speed differs depending on flight mode though. How do we deal with that?

[foggy lotus]

im pretty sure aerodynamics explains that

[sharp lichen]

Uh, yeah aerodynamics do your thing

[formal skiff]

But is there stuff we need to compensate for or something? And if so, what?

[native shoal]

Wait hold on people are actually doing math

[sharp lichen]

Ok, we need 4 things: the air density of Sky (which we could steal from the real world or calculate ourselves), the speed (which can be figured out using testing), the drag coefficient (which we’ll discuss later) and the cross sectional area (please I can’t do this all myself)

[formal skiff]

Ok what do I need to do with the speed thing? That seems like the best thing to tackle first.

[sharp lichen]

If you look above, there’s a height measurement. Speed is distance divided by time, so record yourself boosting yourself one time and falling down (on a flat, windless area like Isle) and maybe share it

[foggy lotus]

basicly

[sharp lichen]

Introducing horizontal fight could also be a good idea, but it’ll be much harder to calculate

[native shoal]

Unsure if the topic is still on this but skykids naturally float (our skykids tread water without much difficulty), we have to manually dive while crabs just sink, so crabs are more dense than skykids

[foggy lotus]

oh god math i just had a test today pls

[sharp lichen]

This is the post-test! What I’m thinking for horizontal tests is that someone flies a great distance using 10 winged lights, record the time, and post it here. Then, we can measure the distance flown

[native shoal]

What if we take measurements of a skykid going up one winged light then diving straight down from one of the floating islands on sanctuary?

[formal skiff]

Probably cause we’re most likely hollow and I doubt light weighs anything

[native shoal]

That way there is significantly less air resistance and it’s closer to a true measure of gravity

[formal skiff]

Wdym “up one wl”?

[native shoal]

One flap up and then diving down

That’s just so it’s easier to do in game

[sturdy valve]

We still make quite the sound when crashing into wasteland though, unless that's just due to the speed of the tornado flinging us

[formal skiff]

Ok. I’ll do it on the island with the wl, and stop recording when I hit the water. Wish me luck, pals.

[native shoal]

Good luck

Heck we can use that to compare it to falling normally from the same height instead of diving down (one flap up then straight down) so we get drag and stuff

[stable veldt]

What's this? Lore chat went math mode? is this sorcery?

[sharp lichen]

Post the recording, then I can download it and see the distance

[foggy lotus]

*and science

[stable veldt]

Darkstone fuelled science, we shall earn our status as vault dwellers by having an actual degree for sky physics

[native shoal]

I have physics this semester, I’m tempted to go get my notebook

[sturdy valve]

Speaking of darkstone, what is it exactly

[native shoal]

It’s the things you have to light to open doors

[stable veldt]

Funky stones that people in sky worship.

On a more serious note:
Darkstones are naturally-occurring materials that the civilians has been mining and using throughout sky. With light, it could activate interesting mechanisms such as floating boats and many more

[sturdy valve]

Oh so somewhat an alias for power diamonds

[rigid mural]

i am cry laughing at the study of sky physics, i love this chat

[foggy lotus]

it's those diamons-shaped thing you find that you light up to power things (wasteland temple gate and such)

[native shoal]

Should I get my physics notebook?

[sharp lichen]

Here’s my extremely crude drawing on how we’ll measure this

[rigid mural]

masterpiece

[sturdy valve]

Would the diamonds we have to put in place in the 4 person vault door count as power diamonds or are those a completely different breed?

[stable veldt]

Those count as power diamonds afaik

[sharp lichen]

I’m my mind, they’re a different type of power diamond

[sturdy valve]

Ah I see I see

[formal skiff]

Im sorry, it doesn’t pause exactly when I hit the water, but you should be able to figure out how long it takes anyway. The bigger problem is tvat i couldn’t dive straight down: there was a little curve as i angled my skid down. Idk what to do about that; i don’t think its avoidable.

[compact shale]

*pat the wooly manta

don't worry I hate physics too

[native shoal]

It’s about 9 seconds, so we’ll assume if it was straight down it would be 8.7 seconds or so

[foggy lotus]

lorechat rn

[native shoal]

No less than that, it’s about 6 seconds, I’ll assume the straight down speed is 5.5 units per second

[sharp lichen]

We could calculate the straight-down distance using the pythagorean theorem

[formal skiff]

We’ve finally lost it. This is ridiculous. And i love it.

[native shoal]

Yeah but then we need distance measurements which as of right now we cannot acquire without a LOT of hassle

[tulip aspen]

personally I've always taken it as if the Light makes things float, as if the Light itself is the thing that creates anti-gravity, directly under or around Light creatures and skykids

capes have a lot of this powerful Light, creating directional thrust expended out of the cape, creating forward motion, and this has no visual anecdotes like the rest but maybe manta wings and more work in the same way

[formal skiff]

You’re right! But we need the measurements and idk how to get them.

[stable veldt]

Wait guys, I'd like to expand on darkstone mechanics, since I just noticed something.

We all wrote darkstone are like, this magic stone you power with light to make it go woosh, but judging from my earlier explanation, I found a potential link on how it actually works. We first need to know these 3 properties:

1. Light are usually judged as flying/life, manta, butteflies, skids. All light beings can fly/magic
2. Darkstone absorbs light
3. Darkstone magic is activated if we put light.

Darkstone itself is probably not magic, but what's magic is light itself. What makes darkstone magic is its light-keeping property. Somehow, somewhere down the line I assume ancestors know how to churn the saved lights from the darkstone and make the magical properties applied to the items they have. That's probably why we have butterfly jars etc, because it was used as batteries, same like super-charged darkstones in the abyss vault

[compact shale]

3 table lengths squared + 4 table lengths squared = 5 table lengths squared

A;FA;HDFHASGHASGH

[native shoal]

So straight down it’s 5.5 seconds (based off of an assumption) so hopefully we can get the gravity without wind resistance from that

[hushed steeple]

@hushed steeple

[formal skiff]

You know what might be more reliable? Up one wl, free fall on the other flight mode back down so I don’t have to worry about the curve.

[sharp lichen]

It’ll be easier if there’s a second person recording someone else doing Bird’s experiment, like this (apologies for the crude drawing)

[tulip aspen]

yee, darkstone is just a rock that can contain, redefine, and expound Light, indeed

[sturdy valve]

So the butterfly jars are possibly a more traditional version of darkstone?

[foggy lotus]

is that an a or d?

[compact shale]

from island to sed

[tulip aspen]

in a big way, yes!

[native shoal]

Imagine the devs look in this channel rn and see all of the math. Falling normally is also a good idea, we can compare the experiments results and get the air resistance

[stable veldt]

With how much jars scattered around isle of dawn + prarie, I assume this is where people has been using light technology, it's just way more crude and scarce, only kept for more "serious" business like around temples etc

[formal skiff]

Got it

[native shoal]

Or how much the air resistance affects the time

[tulip aspen]

we're really matpat-ing this now

[foggy lotus]

im pretty sure skykids acelerate when they fall (more things for you to calculate now ehehhe)

[stable veldt]

One other thing to consider if we're doing this air-res experiment is to test it between maps, since I'm 100% sure they have different wind currents, therefore if we're doing it in 1 place alone it'll be ultra bias

Forgotten ark and wind paths has more float-y current, tendency to bring your skid up. Can't say the same with how you fly in golden wasteland or hidden forest

[sturdy valve]

This makes me wonder then, what causes the darkstones to be corrupted if it's a vessel for light? Question is based off the 87 results I've probably skimmed through

[native shoal]

Maybe we also do it from the top of one of the gates in home?

[formal skiff]

Ok. This clearly has more drag. BUT! It’s (more or less; i had to move a tiny bit forward mid-flight to avoid landing back on the island) a straight line down.

[tulip aspen]

yee, after a full second you fall faster, moving at all will trigger the glide function ever so slightly, stopping you from falling faster

because we don't need the cape to activate the glide function it's definitely a bodily ability and not just a cape ability

[stable veldt]

I'm guessing light overload. They'll try to suck everything light-based, probably same like a star collapsing into itself and turn into a blackhole

[native shoal]

Ok that was 12 seconds straight down falling normally

[compact shale]

Oh right innate gliding, we have that in the air trial

are our pants magic too or something? hj

[stable veldt]

Another thing to consider if we're doing air-res stuff: Try doing the capeless glitch? Might work for skids without capes, have different type of gliding, same like that trials stuff

[tulip aspen]

we have that outside of the trial too; you can glide capeless off of the cliff in isle as a moff

[native shoal]

I went five flaps up and fell down without touching anything

In the home space. I don’t think the video is working so it took about 12 seconds

[foggy lotus]

oh my god so much math

[keen shore]

This is now my wooly mantasona (small and bad at math) /j

[native shoal]

I’ll repeat it in other locations

In isle it took about 12 seconds as well

[stable veldt]

does height affect how much time we fall/land? And also, what unit should we use to count all ofthis? I propose we use that 7-based flag depth meter from abyss

[foggy lotus]

maybe we can use chibis???

[compact shale]

That only appears in the quest tho

what flag meter?

[native shoal]

Home space in prairie was about 12.5 seconds but that may be because of human error

[sturdy valve]

Moth height, chibi height, huge height (though this is somewhat relative...)

[keen shore]

Flag meter from abyss may cause issues due to being underwater, there’s probably a special equation for that

[stable veldt]

we just need to compare our skid's height to it, after that we can photoshop it/overlay to make ocmparison between fall height etc

[native shoal]

Excellent idea

[keen shore]

I still think we should use crab units

[compact shale]

what is a flag meter

[stable veldt]

might be spoiler, but it appears in the last quest of abyss

[native shoal]

I say we either use chibi or moth height, as chibi is consistent

[compact shale]

oh, THAT guy!

We'll need someone who hasn't completed it for the best results

[stable veldt]

we can use average height: the one that hits the middle of the diamond hole of a lamp

[foggy lotus]

ah i cant help you

[native shoal]

I did that the day it was out

[stable veldt]

we can replay memories afaik

[keen shore]

what about using vault bookshelves to measure it. Evenly spaced, stretches over a large expanse of height so we don’t have to worry about running out of space

[native shoal]

EXCELLENT idea Salem

[sharp lichen]

Yo, here’s what I got

[keen shore]

Thank yuou :-)

[tulip aspen]

isnt the gravity in vault exaggerated or is that only on higher floors

iirc we have a bigger moonjumpflap when in vault

[native shoal]

Vault seems a bit floaty to me when I’m flying around

[formal skiff]

Wheeeee there I go!
I don’t go straight down but i think that’s unavoidable. Now we just need to figure out how to compensate for that.

[keen shore]

It might be exaggerated, it’s just a struggle to think of anything else that would fit the bill. We’d stick to second floor anyways, which I don’t think is too exaggerated [or first, does it have lanterns? can’t remember]

[tulip aspen]

well, ig either way there's no reason to not test it, because the test will give me the answer

yall could even test on multiple floors in an attempt to measure the difference in gravity between them, if any

[formal skiff]

Wait what are we doing multiple things at once?

[sharp lichen]

It’ll be a good idea to do that: a squad of scientists all measuring at different floors

[native shoal]

The first floor has plenty of lanterns

[sharp lichen]

Right now, we could measure by Skykids. Someone who’s good at photoshop could zoom in, copy-paste the skykid, and we could multiply it by the height of a Skykid to find the distance that Bird fell

[tulip aspen]

dozens, maybe hundreds lmao

especially if they are indeed actually hidden in the walls like i confirmed

[foggy lotus]

DID YOU SEND THAT ON MISTAKE HWGDWHUAGFYAW

[formal skiff]

NO IT WAS COMPLETELY INTENTIONAL

[sharp lichen]

You may have to break it into multiple segments, as the camera changes

[compact shale]

That's the end cutscene, the depths flag isn't there

[sharp lichen]

What’s the flag meter? And I haven’t completed the quest yet

[tulip aspen]

baud why

[stable veldt]

I can, i might need screenshot though, I'll overlay them

[formal skiff]

Oh my Megabird BAUDSHAW IT IS AN EMOTIONAL ROLLERCOASTER YOU HAVE TO DO IT

[stable veldt]

not to mention that camera might be wonky throughout the recording, since sky tends to shift perspectives each time

[tulip aspen]

the best 5 min long emotional rollercoaster ive ever seen

[sharp lichen]

I WILL

[formal skiff]

OKAY GOOD

[compact shale]

BAUD

HELP US

USE THAT ROPE DOWN THE ABYSS TO MEASURE HYOURSELF G

gOOO GOGO GOGOGOGO

[foggy lotus]

dont be afraid to lose air lol

[formal skiff]

According to Lapis: Earth’s gravitational constant is 9.807 m/s, in a vacuum. Are we planning on using that, or calculating Sky’s? Is Sky’s different?

[compact shale]

You WILL get server split if you try to do it with friend

[formal skiff]

How does the rope help? Don’t we already have measurements? What’s special about the rope that we want?

[foggy lotus]

ruler

[compact shale]

Because it has flag things at presumably equal lengths

[stable veldt]

Pretty sure we can't exactly apply that to sky, since the atmospherics there tends to be more "floaty", not to mention how high skids can jump

[sharp lichen]

Here’s the screenshots I got forTricky, are they good?

[stable veldt]

if anything sigh

We should bust the big krills and make our own gravity calculation in sky

[foggy lotus]

OH GOD NO NOT THE MATH I THINBK ITS GONNA INVOLVE

[sharp lichen]

OK WHAT SHOULD I DO

[stable veldt]

I'll see what I can do with this. Thanks

[native shoal]

Wait I thought that’s what we were doing, calculating the gravity

[sharp lichen]

Should I do the Abyss quest later? Maybe we could find a full recording of the Abyss quest

[compact shale]

when the 5th quest starts, you'll see a small boat. below that boat is a rope going down the ravine that has flags on it. we want you to stand next to it as best as you can

[stable veldt]

yeah, at the same time calculating speed of skids can fall/fly, not only accel

if we could get our grubby hands on the aerodynamics & gravity of sky, we have this infinite power in lorechat to measure everything else such as strength of ancestors

[sharp lichen]

Are the flags related to real-world measurements?

[compact shale]

that's what we'll find out!

[sharp lichen]

I’m going in! I won’t do the entire quest right now, I wanna save that for a friend

[formal skiff]

HOLD UP GUYS I HAVE PICTURES

[tranquil harbor]

The flags start at Cannoneer's boat, you don't have to go to the abyss for them
Also, that you're apparently still on gravity after like an hour or so is impressive

[keen shore]

What about for right now, just do an estimate? Look for irl examples with less gravity on a comparable scale to sky’s, work within that range

[compact shale]

IT WILL SERVER SPLIT YOU AT SOME POINT IT'S NOT WORTH IT

[stable veldt]

Okay sorry for saying this, but baud's current SS won't do much. If we want to make island measurement by skid, i want someone to fall and take a screenshot each second

[formal skiff]

That blurry figure is a chibi + a cannoneer tho, which is a new height. Here’s the two closer up for height calculation purposes.

[tranquil harbor]

Yeah, you can't do the quest with a friend, I already tried

[stable veldt]

We'll have this ticker train screenshot for me to overlay/measure

[sharp lichen]

Are these okay?

[keen shore]

Stand up straight and zoom out a bit more
Try to get two flags at least in the image

[sharp lichen]

Couldn’t we take a screenshot of the video every second?

[stable veldt]

This might do + baud's

[stable veldt]

I'll try, though rn i can't open heavy medias, hence why i kind of asking others to open sky (internet laggo)

[sharp lichen]

How do you stand up straight in dive mode?

[keen shore]

I guess just. Stand on the ground ? Swim upwards? I don’t know

[formal skiff]

Don’t ask me, i can’t do anything straight

[sharp lichen]

I got something,

[boreal nebula]

Alternative Wooly Manta's Defensive Mechanism
Inspired by your drawing ||(well... more than inspired, I traced it 😅) ||

Fun Fact, despite Home Trick or 10 Seconds Pausing The Game as most favourite glitches to avoid direct hit from krill, my favorite one was shielding myself at the right time by Forging Candles or Upgrade Wedge (since we cannot move during those, it could even make us unmoveable and unkrillable)

A moment of silence for all the patched tricks against krills 🕯️

[formal skiff]

HAHA I’M GONNA END UP NOT SLEEPING UNTIL MIDNIGHT AGAIN AREN’T I

Incredibly worth it for Sky physics though

[sharp lichen]

It’s okay, there’s no need to rush it (besides the fact that my sanity’s continually decreasing when thinking about this, but who cares about sanity)

[harsh pecan]

Awwww

[stable veldt]

I can work with this

[sturdy valve]

Some dumb topic has been bothering me for a while but why do we have no eyes when we use the faceless mask but have a variety of animations and light from our eyes when we do use one

[formal skiff]

My sanity got eaten by Levi

[harsh pecan]

The masks have eyes

[stable veldt]

Forgor who but someone theorized we close our eyes when maskless to show courtesy not to spotlight spirits due to our sheer light when opening eyes

[sharp lichen]

I believe that the “no mask” mask actually makes it mask invisible, including the eyes

[sturdy valve]

That's a bit unsettling in its own way considering that having invisible eyes in theory usually comes with blindness

[formal skiff]

Cannoneer mask shows that eyes are not part of the mask, but literal holes in the earthen shell, revealing the light inside. I think the closed eyes theory makes more sense, but I’m open to discussion. At a later date though; we’re busy with Sky physics now

[sharp lichen]

It’ll be good to multitask when dealing with such complex equations. The drag equation has “A”, which is the “cross-sectional area.”

[formal skiff]

How do we calculate that

[sharp lichen]

Has anyone here taken a physics class? Please? I’m too young, how do I solve this

[formal skiff]

(not supposed to share ages for safety reasons) no I haven’t, unfortunately

[keen shore]

I have but I got sick halfway through and had to drop it. Have fun !

[sturdy valve]

I major and science but I have never seen that equation before. Probably due to the pandemic

At least not the cross sectional part

[harsh pecan]

I’m too dumb to understand this

[sharp lichen]

Here, “Here A is the cross sectional area of the falling object in a plane perpendicular to its velocity, “ does anyone know what this could mean?

[formal skiff]

You’re not, we’re just doing a crappy job of explaining because none of us know what we’re doing either

[harsh pecan]

Oh lol

[keen shore]

I’m too tired (and sore) to math right now so I’m just going to watch with popcorn

[formal skiff]

I also am too tired to math (it’s 9:12 here) so I’m just watching and trying to understand what i can and making myself available for footage if needed

[keen shore]

I think this just means you cut (cross section) the object in half perpendicular to the direction it is falling, could be wrong. If I’m right it introduces more issues because it means we have to use a regular 3D shape

[keen shore]

EST gang claims another member into its Ranks

[sharp lichen]

ok what’s the cross section of a Skykid

[keen shore]

Someone get the Comically Large Knife

[compact shale]

Hmmm *looks at a table with a scalpel, a regular hammer, and a chainsaw

Which one, dear Salem?

[keen shore]

I changed my mind. Time for spear

[compact shale]

My my.

Who's the one under the knife?

[sharp lichen]

Bird’s Skykid was average size, meaning that we have to find calculations for 2d shapes

The area of the cross-section of a moth’s head is about 70.88 inches squares

[native shoal]

What are we discussing?

I have Google ready

[tranquil harbor]

I think they're trying to calculate the gravity of the sky world

[sharp lichen]

We are! Right now, we’re doing drag, which requires a cross section of a Skykid

[native shoal]

That sounds fun

[compact shale]

as fun as rejected ramen

[tranquil harbor]

Rejected ramen?

[sharp lichen]

I got it! The cross-sectional area of an average Skykid is 443.3025 square inches! (although expect a margin of error of +- 20)

[compact shale]

HOW

[sharp lichen]

We’re technically 1/4 the way of the equation! We should finish by tomorrow or Saturday

[tranquil harbor]

Can lore chat stay on topic that long?

[keen shore]

Wait… 443.3 what? cm? mm? px?

[sharp lichen]

The Skykid is split into 3 parts: a circular head, a trapezoid cape, and rectangular legs. It’s just measuring it using the guide that coverts pixel measurements to real heights, then plugging it into the equations

[compact shale]

oOOOOoh, nice!

[tranquil harbor]

Fruitzie, DM me about what rejected ramen is plz

[keen shore]

Wait hold on, would we need the average cross section area or would it just be the widest point? Checking now

[sharp lichen]

OK I NEED TO GO TO SLEEP NOW- oh god, what are the implications of figuring out the physics of the Sky world?

[compact shale]

why would there be implications?

[tranquil harbor]

I just can't wait until y'all do all this work and then it turns out you're wrong somehow because the devs were hiding something or other. Like, there is 'I have a theory' and then there is calculating the actual gravity of the world (and by 'can't wait' I mean 'it's gonna suck')

[sharp lichen]

Like, idk what else could we do by figuring out Sky’s physics

[compact shale]

Oh

go to sleep and check again tomorrow?

[native shoal]

This originally came up because we were joking about chibi wasteland elder and someone asked what his weight was normally

[sharp lichen]

WHO SAID IT

[native shoal]

That’s a lotta scrolling but I will do it

[sharp lichen]

WHY DID YOU DO THIS TO MEEEE

[stable veldt]

I tried my best

[native shoal]

This one

[keen shore]

This is fully what I’m expecting so not going to invest too much energy into this. My path to approaching this topic will either be

• Comparing sky gravity to similar gravities of other space bodies [planets, asteroids, etc] and just doing a general Approximation
• Just saying that the gravity fluctuates a LOT in the sky world, due to light creatures maybe manipulating it to an extent, and just giving up. This is probably the true answer

[frigid tinsel]

yup, a madlad has by using a file cabinet as a basis: https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/632004389137154048/658041369289555980

[tulip aspen]

wth this is looking so official

[tulip aspen]

wym by hiding something?

[tranquil harbor]

All I wanted to know was if elders were affected by magic, this is on u

[stable veldt]

With us now knowing how high a chibi is officially ,we can safely assume we know how big measurement unit in sky is using the flag

[keen shore]

Chibis are a canonical unit of measurement from this post on

[sharp lichen]

I am a canonical unit of measurement oh no

[native shoal]

If we oob to wasteland elder and put a chibi beside him then we can get his height!

[keen shore]

Hey guys what do you think would win in a battle? A big spear or a harpoon? Please answer quickly, I don’t have much time

[tranquil harbor]

-shrugs- no idea. It's not to imply they'd hide something maliciously just that nondisclosure agreements exist and who knows what mundane thing can send the theory tower toppling

[formal skiff]

Ok I gtg to bed but one last thought: why don’t we just free-fall at Home (no wind) from a certain height of flaps? This may be an unhelpful idea but anyway gn!!

[compact shale]

the abyss is 300 bauds deep at its lowest point

[sharp lichen]

I just figured something out, apparently Bauds are a unit of measurement in real life??

[native shoal]

Harpoons, they get launched and while spears can do the same thing it’s much slower

[frigid tinsel]

I was in class but done: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[keen shore]

Oh no

[compact shale]

Salem: Wedding Reception Dinner

[sharp lichen]

Good! I’m not too well versed on the flags, can someone help me on this?

[keen shore]

[tranquil harbor]

So that's how we know the kids are so ridiculously tiny. Office has canon elements

[native shoal]

You’re telling me that max height is 3’10”

[stable veldt]

Alright, sky's flag measurement unit:
If a chibi is around 2' 3" (aka 68,6cm), it is safe to assume 1 flag unit/gap from middle flag to middle flag is 137,2 cm (aka 4'6").

We can brute force this unit for each 1 flag gap middle-to-middle is 150 cm (but it'll have a margin of 20 cm, which is big)

[keen shore]

Max skykid height is almost 4 cats tall :-)

[native shoal]

I believe it but Small Lads

[compact shale]

BAPY FLSDJFA;SHOSYGHHAGHGSDHG

[tulip aspen]

ur a legend

also yea there's a lot of weird things going on in the side of this image

and yes you're right the image of the king creating the beam is before they are depicted giving the blessings to the realms

[native shoal]

Now we can get wasteland elder height! And then I’ll pull up a height weight chart and guess from there

[keen shore]

Update: I just got eaten

[tulip aspen]

ig, but tbf at least that does apply to 90% of everything we say and have here

the thousands of brainstorms, anecdotes, visual references, writing appeals, ect ect ect

it could all be proven wrong by the flick of god's finger, and i love it

[tranquil harbor]

I think I did the age calculations for this, and that would mean sky kids are as big as human 5 year olds. Chibis are as big as 2 years or younger. Compared to humans, this doesn't mean our kids r 5

[compact shale]

rest in peace salem, I hope you're delicous

[tulip aspen]

terrifying, did the levi at least brush their teeth?

[keen shore]

It wasn’t the leviathan

[compact shale]

They're not being eaten by Levi.

[native shoal]

Salami

[keen shore]

Help.m,,,e

[tulip aspen]

salemi

[native shoal]

salemi

[stable veldt]

I can now safely assume with this chart + height of skids + the flag pic, we actually have official height of measurement in sky. We can now calculate gravity

[sharp lichen]

It’s like gambling. Maybe the ideas that we’ve spend weeks working on could be true, but probably it’ll be deconfirmed in a stupid way

[frigid tinsel]

My brain hurts

[tranquil harbor]

but we need weight don't we

Yeah, but some theories take little time at all to craft. Figuring out gravity can take days

[keen shore]

Having a name that sounds like salami is a dangerous game… you can be fine for months. Then some people throw you on bald people’s heads for fun, and two days later you’ve gotten cooked and eaten

[stable veldt]

we can probably get weight from acceleration. With 3 screenshots when a skid falling midair, I can get the accel calculation probably

[tranquil harbor]

the issue, I think, is that the kids can slow their ascent

[stable veldt]

that's the problem. It'll be quite biased at the end of the day, it's just how far are we willing to eliminate more outside factors

[sharp lichen]

Maybe later, but drag doesn’t

[soft timber]

pops in here Ya calculating the speed at which skids fall?

[tranquil harbor]

They're calculating the entire gravity of the sky kingdom
It just takes baby steps to get there

[compact shale]

bees

[sharp lichen]

We’re not being exact, just rough estimates

[stable veldt]

we're not that rough in estimate, since with the flag chart, we can have a pretty neat/clean estimate with real-life metric

[soft timber]

smacketh whoever decided to start this Ya are going to strain yourselves if you all don't pace it

[stable veldt]

Sky lore is my passion

[soft timber]

Make sure to do one measurement at a time and take breaks when you need to, don't forget to drink some water and have a snack too

[sharp lichen]

Here’s something I found-

[tranquil harbor]

Baudshaw did it.

[soft timber]

smacketh Baudshaw extra not so gently

[keen shore]

Tag yourself I’m streamlined half body, looks like bug

[stable veldt]

we can use long cylinder's drag of measurement, either that ot streamlined, though I really doubt it

[tranquil harbor]

Tis I Cone

[sharp lichen]

We will have to choose 1 or the other. Maybe later. They both have extremely different coefficients

[tulip aspen]

well its not a probably

if my research was based on it likely getting debunked, i wouldnt be here working so hard alongside everyone to come up with rationals

[soft timber]

Just do one thing at a time, and don't forget to account for speed, size, wind resistance, and possibly weight (assuming that there is weight to be accounted for as there is clearly is mass in Sky)

[tulip aspen]

same hate when that happens lol

[frigid tinsel]

Take a bit of Jam

[tulip aspen]

jam fights back, what do

[keen shore]

I have Spear you have nothing

[fierce vector]

Guys about the ||last quest of abyss|| is there any theories ot speculation on what might actually been symbolized on crackling cannonner's ummm... Idk?

[frigid tinsel]

I spread jam with the salami spear on fruit

[tulip aspen]

i have things they just cant be mentioned here

oh wait i also have a bari sax, that thing would crack a skull

[soft timber]

"It's Spear or nothing"

[stable veldt]

on what? Their weapon? It's probably a harpoon for feeshees

[tranquil harbor]

Mmmm, Salami skewers with a jam glaze

[keen shore]

Please I’ve already been eaten once

[tulip aspen]

would you like to become edible as well, my friend?

we have good benefits; full 401k

[fierce vector]

Their umm death i suppose? Its confusing for me... And kinda odd?

[frigid tinsel]

Blokes in one of my sky servers call me Dairy.
Have fun

[tulip aspen]

thats amazing

[sharp lichen]

Ok I have to sneep snorp now. Here are 3 cross-sections. Decide which one looks the best

[tranquil harbor]

We don't even know if that's how they died. Some people think these events are 100% new and unique, rather than just memories.

[compact shale]

dairy what

[stable veldt]

They ain't die afaik, they just ||got swallowed|| but that's that. I think the room is more of the fishe's belly rather than the actual pity room

[tulip aspen]

so we have gravity measurements and edible lore theorists today

i love you guys

[tranquil harbor]

It might be the space between life and death
We got theories for days about that quest

[tulip aspen]

oh yea its def the mindspace reality lol, the pocket dimension, whatever you want to call it

[stable veldt]

The best result from this entire gravity convo is we get actual measurement in sky

[tranquil harbor]

we've had actual measurements for a while

[fierce vector]

Ohhh i see, any lores about the abyss gang tho?

[tulip aspen]

more is never harm

[compact shale]

we altered their memories theory

[stable veldt]

fortified with the flag mayhaps

[fierce vector]

Ohh how does this theory goes then?

[tranquil harbor]

Plenty, Fruitzie mentioned the memory theory (we ARE living their memories, but they had to be erased and 'changed' so we could ascend them)
And then there is the theory that these really are unique events, which lets you explore 'the spirits are still 'alive' in a sense'

[hushed steeple]

Why does the crystal on this re-breather glow? You could give the argument that its dark stone, but I dont think thats true. You see these stones are on many of the abyss cosmetics and they dont have the right color to be considered dark stone, they’re green not blue. Could these be some form of pure or purified dark stone? It so, what should we call them, pure stone? Light stone? Stone of anti-pollution? Or maybe energy stone/ crystal. These things seem to either be used for decor or (as we see with the re-breather) to power small things. They could provide small amounts of energy, but they ancestors could have used them to create dark stone which provides significantlly more energy. And I believe that this creation of dark stone could be seen not only in abyss, but also on the hidden forest temple door. as the opening mechanism. We power the small dark stone, representing the energy stones) and then two gold pieces that are in the same shape, and could represent light as they come from butterfly jars, comes down next to where the dark stone representing energy stones went to. Then the diamond shape flips over revealing a bigger dark stone. By the way, the character in the pucture is Duuck(D-oo-ck).

[compact shale]

A headcanon/theory about the Abyss quests being a memory wipe

When we got to Treasure Reef, we confided with Abyss Guide and told them that we need to ascend the crew. They tell us the crew's story, and at some point, we realize that the only way to ascend them is to go into their memories and change them. They agree, we go into the crew's memories, and the quests start. In the first three quests, we blend into the crew with Abyss Guide's help and the others start seeing us as a real member. The crew doesn't notice at all, and Abyss Guide keeps the secret.

5th quest spoilers
In the original timeline, Cannoneer dies of drowning and everyone knows this. However, to get the crew to ascend, we change the memory and rescue them. Now, to the crew, Cannoneer is safe, and with this weight off their shoulders, they can ascend.

Abyss Guide thanks us for helping the crew. However, since they were made aware of the memories being changed, the original timeline still weighs down on them, so they can't ascend just yet.

[stable veldt]

this is some crazy theory right here that may be true

[sharp lichen]

Today we found out the cross-section area. Good job! I’d expect tomorrow we’d finish on the drag coefficient, and by Sunday we should get the air density and velocity

[tulip aspen]

well yea, it's a refined diamond, per Salem's notes on the refining process

[tranquil harbor]

It's possible it IS darkstone, but how it's meant to work/look when properly powered. Our kids seem to be the sky equivalent of a super battery. No amount of dark stone tech needs as much light as we have just vibing

[fierce vector]

:'c ohh boy, had we didn't changed it must've been tough on everyone

[frigid tinsel]

Or the simpler solution is that the seasons take place in the present, ||no memory wiping or alternating or whatever, the spirits are spirits as themselves, Cannoneer got too invested in the competition we were having — they seem unhinged enough to do it. Or they felt their worth in the crew was being lost with this new skid member so when to desperate measures. ||

[keen shore]

Psst small quick side note about the darkstone crystals. Do you have some kind of color changer [like a setting to turn colors warmer] on your device? I do not, and to me darkstone and the mask stone look identical EXCEPT when they’re glowing [which is a feature i JUST learned about from here]. Maybe the stone is overcharged from being so close to our body or something?

You’re right on the color difference when irs glowing, this one is more green, but most darkstone is light blue when lit. I personally don’t see a difference in color when they’re both dim though [could be wrong]

[compact shale]

A diamond that stores extra light we can draw upon

that's probably what the rebreather is

it's probably real unlike most of the cosmetics

[fierce vector]

Wait they can't ascend just yet? Since they haven't gotten over her death? Darn.... Soo when will they are allowed to ascend then?

[tranquil harbor]

Keep in mind these are theories, not canon

[tulip aspen]

some people are trying to say theyre all family, or a lot of them are family

theres theories about how it works that we interact with them and these missions; fruity has the idea that we kinda 'changed the past' in their minds, and then there's a general consensus alasdair and others made that it's all happening in present day and we really are interacting with the spirits; with abyss guide letting us do their work for them and cannoneer getting jealous

[compact shale]

I don't know but, we either need to give them therapy or wait for the last possible momentt

[frigid tinsel]

I’m writing a fic

[keen shore]

Abyss spirits: we can’t leave treasure reef yet, I still can’t believe the cannoneer died :(
Skykid, seeing they are all dead: Hey I have some bad news

[hushed steeple]

I forgot to add that the naturally growing crystals on land in commadors memory is the same color as this energy stone, but it could also just be coincadence.

[tranquil harbor]

Because darkstone comes from the land. It's a natural resource

[keen shore]

Keep in mind that when we use our candle to light darkstone the light blue color it sometimes only works for a short time (forest doors) and fades quickly. Maybe the light blue color is when you give the darkstone a little bit of energy and the bright green color is when it’s filled with it?

[fierce vector]

Sky is just depressing when you look into everyone.... As spirits.... 😭 this is giving some real hard existential crisis? Dread??? Idk anymore imma go be sad~

[frigid tinsel]

If Sky lore doesn’t drive you mad, it’ll make you sad

[tranquil harbor]

I've been mulling over the idea that the forest tech is either
A) older/outdated than most, and thus 'less efficient'. Our kids give the doors energy and they still close so fast.
Or B) the forest's open nature means the elements got to the tech and corroded it more

[fierce vector]

:c despair and saaaaaaaaaaaad

[compact shale]

OINIONS

[keen shore]

I don’t think it’s the second because village’s gondolas work fine for extended periods of time and they’re VERY exposed - maybe the first ?

[tranquil harbor]

It's not all gloom and angst. My main theory is actually incredibly hopeful. But yeah, most of these guys are angst machines /lh

[raw crypt]

hang on i jsut had a real the friends along the way was the real treasure idea one sec

[fierce vector]

:'3 yesssh

[tranquil harbor]

Yeah, but the forest has a lot of rain and plant growth. Valley is just a lot of cold

[fierce vector]

what do you think about the angst machines sky kids?, personally in your views

[fierce vector]

Whats this for???? :0

[frigid tinsel]

Was something I scrawled down that inspired a fic I’m working on that my grad class is gonna review.
Fritjof is the Commodore.

[keen shore]

Horrible idea. What if the abyss spirits never knew the cannoneer died in the first place… what if they assumed they got lost / ran off with their stuff and have been looking for them since but could never find them

[tranquil harbor]

My theory is that the spirits have joined the rebirth cycle. The kids essentially act as adorable ferrymen, and after they're done the kids, and spirits, are reborn. The spirits are still spirits, but they're now free to live their 'lives' normally until they're ready to ascend again. Things like reliving memories over and over is just a game mechanic

[hushed steeple]

the blue colord light also appears from your sky kid when using energy to fly. And yellow light holds energy. So maybe the green coloration comes from being able to hold and use energy? At this point we might as well base every theory off mixture of color. Maybe green stone IS just purified dark stone, thus it would be called purified stone. And maybe the green coloration comes from the green crystals commador grabbed, that could be part of the purification process. Also, in general purified stone is the sky equivelant of potato energy.

[frigid tinsel]

Yea, skykids are psychopomps — they help the deceased traverse to their afterlife

[tranquil harbor]

Yeah but with the added layer that they come back. They don't just ascend once and they're done

[fierce vector]

What will happened once they ascend???

[hushed steeple]

Very likly, mega bird did say that they thought Cannoneer was lost, not dead or drowning.

[compact shale]

I have dialogue ideas for the post cutscene

Cannoneer: I foun-
Commodore: Now, now. Now's not the time. *bearhugs Cannoneer
Cannoneer: W-wh-what?
Commodore: I've got better treasures to worry about right now.
Cannoneer: W-w-what do you mean...?
Commodore: You're more precious than any of those stones, Cannoneer. I don't want to lose you ever again.

[frigid tinsel]

Ascended spirits don’t seem able to descend for long. So ascension probably ties them to the Light in some way, but without ascension the spirits are liable to petrification.

Maybe there’s a reason ancestors aren’t or don’t get reborn, whether now or ever.

[compact shale]

Because they all have extended car warranty and Megabird needs to deal with that before they get new bodies.

[tranquil harbor]

-shrug- At least some of this theory includes the idea that 'technological limitations are a thing'. The massive amount cheering in the stadium race despite no crowd to be seen, for example. This theory says 'there is, in fact, a crowd there' but that'd be hell on a device

[fierce vector]

I'll shall spam cry emoji 😭 😭 😭 😭

[hushed steeple]

Well when die we dont turn into a spirit, we almost still have a physical body, so perhaps the spirits lost their physical bodies to decomposition or erosion because they werent able to ascend in time.

[frigid tinsel]

There’s a theory that the cheering in Valley is broadcasted by the Valley Elder(s)

[compact shale]

Headcanon/theory is that it's part of the Valley spirits' memories, sound is part of a memory, too

[tranquil harbor]

I'm tired, and it's making me paranoid that y'all are ganging up on me when I know you're not, so I gotta bow out

[frigid tinsel]

Nah we’re not just there’s a lot of ideas and they’re all Spider-Man pointing meme.
Vagueness of Sky lore is a braindump

[hushed steeple]

No u

[tranquil harbor]

Yeah, I get y'all are trying to brain storm, objectively, but tired brain is going 'be hostile, defend yourself' and it's just not great for brain storming. I'd rather warn y'all before I get snippy

[frigid tinsel]

I’m gonna play Sky, I’m tired

[tranquil harbor]

I think I'm just gonna go straight to bed

[toxic onyx]

hii

[tulip aspen]

heyyyyyy

[tranquil harbor]

You can not deny it

[hushed steeple]

They changed the button of the “glitched” manta in forest, so maybe its a disguised memory manta? It moves its wings very slowly like one so it could be likly.

[tulip aspen]

i mean, kinda?
i dont make theories for the sake of being angsty, i dont even like theories

its just about what is most logical to me

[hushed steeple]

Im not neccessarily an angst machine, I just want people to feel emotions and maybe shmpathize with the traumas of other people. (Edit) oh you mean theory wise, I just state what I see, and what I see is an angsty game.

[tranquil harbor]

I. was. joking.
Yeah, I really need to go to bed, tired brain is hostile monkey

[frigid tinsel]

ik there's a lot of angst but I do have this hopeful idea, been holding onto it for months
1/2: #lore-discussion-spoilers message
2/2: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[keen shore]

90% of my headcanon theories are literally just choosing the angstiest option (ex Darkness plants) or what I think is the coolest (ex elders being lights) so. You’re not even wrong

[tranquil harbor]

Alasdair can u DM me those? My brain is shutting down

[tulip aspen]

oof, i wasnt really defending myself, just thoughtfully thinking about if i was angsty, sorry lol

hope u rest up well

[hushed steeple]

sigh my body demands nutrients so I GUESS I have to get out of bed and actually EAT something, why cant hunger be deceased already.

[tulip aspen]

yea, and sometimes i just orbit your theories when i think it makes the most sense

[keen shore]

Darkness plant theory construction process:

• burning darkness plant haha wouldn’t it be really dark if these were corpses
• wait, they’re often found in areas where something has died
• there are massive ones in wasteland and one growing out of someone chest in light miner memory
• oh. Oh no

[hushed steeple]

Yup, and dont forget yawn’s murderous tendancies, and the dark clams in abyss.

[compact shale]

I think the "Abyss Memory Wipe" theory was just something that popped up

at the very least the 5th quest is a memory wipe

How do spirits experience injury again? If their light is just as not-immune as ours, wouldn't there not be a body because they're all soul?

I'm not really sure HOW exactly it came up. fsdhfhs

[frigid tinsel]

I don't do angst for angst's sake, I just go what makes the most sense or seems the most reasonable to me. a lot of the most reasonable solutions are angsty

[keen shore]

Angst that makes something (eg burning darkness) extremely bittersweet > other angst

[raw crypt]

oh no i wrote an essay

[frigid tinsel]

post the essay

[tulip aspen]

and then when i gravitated to teaming up with your concept we got the connections to how it plays that every single plant is where an ancestor died, especially with miner's memory plant
(i still havent observed the yawn person to come up with a conclusion for them crap)

[hushed steeple]

Including the poor body that yawn from prairie murdered. Also I dont think a single soul survived the ship wreck incident.

[compact shale]

Yawn murdered someone?

[toxic onyx]

this actually makes sense with my theory which is that we aren't "battling" something from a past civilization or anything, but more so battling our own creations. For example when you get reborn, the light player hugs the dark one and you... become? ig.. so I think that the darkness plants and all could be creations of our own "evil". Like Yin and Yang. This is also supported by the cackling cannoneer when she dies. She died because she wanted to out-do you and be better, but you risked your life to save her, and in the cut scene you have to free the light manta ray from darkness plants!

[fierce vector]

I see it now, its clear its how we try yo recover the boat, without fixing it

[native shoal]

I think that’s just you who is out of light getting recharged

[keen shore]

I’m still not sure about the darkness plants in villages and in that big sanctuary cave. I mean, I can sort of justify them [neither the islands in prairies villages nor the sanctuary island have tons of food and (true for villages not the sanc island) fresh water, so it’s not too unreasonable that ancestors became trapped on and died there] but hmmm… the justification feels kind of flimsy to me at least

[hushed steeple]

A dark plant appears in their memory and they dont end their despite them being the only one seen, so i assume they murdered.

[toxic onyx]

maybe but then who is the light child?

[compact shale]

how much to arrest yawn

[native shoal]

No idea

[hushed steeple]

I have 10 candles soooooooo five candles?

[tulip aspen]

well yea not every darkness plant is a dead ancestor, some are just eaten Light, and those bell towers had glowing Light bells

(yes that is kinda a stretch)

[compact shale]

Skykid: OI YAWN WAKE THE HECK UP!
Yawn: *brutally injures skykid with a pot
Skykid: damn they got hands

[toxic onyx]

maybe the darkness plants show where something bad has happened, not even a specifically bad event but maybe they show where there was once light but it's gone now? like how all the bell makers are spirits now meaning they died and the bells were abandoned, so they all have darkness plants

[hushed steeple]

So, the trapped manta. Maybe the plants seek light after being born. And sonce the bells had light the roots spread to them. Also i feel i should call out the tony dark plants in the caves storage unit.

[keen shore]

Gonna reexplain my theory [or what it’s become] really quickly because it’s changed a lot from what it was originally and I haven’t adequately explained it since:

Darkness plants parasitize light, and usually stick around a lot longer than the light’s original host. If you find darkness plants, light has been there at some point, but has either been dissipated or entirely consumed. The light that gets parasitized ranged from common candlelight to the light of deceased or injured light creatures & ancestors as well as the light from spirit memories. The candlelight ones are usually the smallest and weakest, with the ones from corpses being the largest.

It’s funny that you bring up yawn actually, because that spirit memory and the isle lightseeker spirit memory helped me realize the last part about spirit memories getting corrupted too. It’s not super common, but if a darkness plant latches on, it sprouts directly on the memory and you have to burn it away to continue reliving it. Sometimes (this happened with a fragment of yawns memory) it degrades that fragment so much that the projection degrades from a picture into those simple shards of light you see in “gather the spirit’s memories” quests.

This has a LOT of really interesting implications that I feel like I haven’t talked about, like:

• Spirit memories exist before we relive them in enough capacity for darkness plants to latch on to and degrade them. In some plane, far before we get there, they’re real.
• What effects would a corrupted spirit memory have on its host?

[keen shore]

Sorta, but it’s less “a horrible event happened here once” and more “light of some kind was here now, but it’s gone.” Light vanishing can constitute a horrible event, ESPECIALLY if it’s parasitized corpse light like I mentioned before, but not always

[hushed steeple]

Ok, this makes sence. But I’m still gonna call yawn a murderer because its funny.

[keen shore]

What if it’s like

[Yawn opens their door to throw out a failed ship design, which comically runs into and crushes an ancestor for the fifth time in a week]

[hushed steeple]

Theres a graveyard dedicated to yawns accidental murders.

[toxic onyx]

going back to this theory- I should probably simplify it a bit to get my idea across better. I'm more theorizing about the deep meaning and symbolism of the plants and all, evil and good (for a lack of better words) feed off of each other. No light without darkness No darkness without light blah blah blah. The plants "feeding" off of light sources is coincidentally similar to how we feed off of the plants as well. Also in the intro of the game in isle of dawn, the narration goes "as spirits, we became many, and darkness came" or something like that- Supporting the idea that the ancestors either caused the darkness or created it

Edit: that was not simplified my bad

[keen shore]

OHHH WAIT WHAT IF THIS IS WHY THE GRAVES IN PRAYING ACOLYTES MEMORY HAVE CANDLES OVER THEM
TO PREEMPTIVELY BURN THE DARKNESS AWAY/BAIT IT TO SPROUT SOMEWHERE ELSE WHERE IT COULD BE CAUGHT BEFORE DESTROYING MUCH

[hushed steeple]

I dont think we can call it evil if its their natural instinct/life style, even if it is from corruption.

[toxic onyx]

yea I didnt know a better word to call it hehe

[frigid tinsel]

antagonistic

to clarify: in writing, an antagonist is an entity that opposes the goals of the protagonist(s). they don't have to be a villain, simply their goals conflicts with the goals of the central character(s).

[keen shore]

I had a really heartbreaking mini theory awhile ago that masks aren’t a normal part of ancestor culture, they only got them after death as part of a death ritual thing. It got proven wrong by the switch trailer and by the fact that even if ancestors left bodies behind when they died, I doubt they’d all get found, but might as well post it here anyways

Also possibly figuring out that tiny detail about graves is just. wow :(

[hushed steeple]

Got graves! But I imagine the entire kingdom got instant cremation :/

[keen shore]

Yeah, although whether those ashes held any leftover light, I’m not sure. Also not sure how a spirit getting created from a dead ancestor works. Like, do they just spawn at their grave after a certain period of time ?

[frigid tinsel]

spirits could just be disembodied souls – tangible bodies gone, their soul is free to roam without

[keen shore]

I sort of get that, but if you took a time lapse video of a dead ancestor, how would it look when their spirit manifested for the first time

[hushed steeple]

Yeah they don’t really need bodies to be bodyless

[frigid tinsel]

there's an idea that when the (dying) tangible body can no longer support the soul, the soul just falls out, in a way

[harsh pecan]

W h a t

[keen shore]

Oh like… an egg yolk?? I get what you mean but it’s oddly funny to imagine

[hushed steeple]

Like luigi in that simon belmont reveal trailer

Yoink!

[frigid tinsel]

so if someone were to drop dead suddenly and unexpectedly, their soul could fall down with them from the inertia, but if they weren't expecting to die right then and there, they get up and stand, look down, and there's their body lying on the ground. their soul is what stood up

[hushed steeple]

“What was that?! Huh! Im not hurt....and my back pain is gone! And my-sees body- “........”

[keen shore]

Imagining this happening in the sky universe. Someone dies, is like “huh, didn’t know that could happen” and cremates themselves to the horror and amusement of everyone else

[hushed steeple]

Granted, these spirits seem more like they where crusted over pretty soon after they died

[keen shore]

“Hey Greg I can’t come in today, uh, I just died. My body is on the floor and I’m sweeping it up now”
“WHAT??????”

[hushed steeple]

Heck, what if it IS their og body thats the crust that falls off them.

[keen shore]

I don’t think it is because if so they’d all look really similar, but it might be

[hushed steeple]

And itd have to play along with the idea that where you find them all is the place they died too brbrb

When you clearly see their mrmories aftwrwardddsdd

[hushed steeple]

So...
Is it at all possible....
That cackling Cannoneer.....
Could be ceasing commador's child.

Tight braids(note the use of tight), tattoos, pelt capes, the two most cracked masks, Cannoneer could have even had a glowing gem on the forehead of her mask at one point. And the hug, remember they thought Cannoneer was simply lost, not dying, so commador's hug is more parental like, given the situation they thought Cannoneer was in.

It's possible, right?

[tulip aspen]

well yes but perhaps not so much in a metaphorical sense, as per alasdair's law, the darkness has a solid theme of containing Light, so it's not even that Light was there, but it actually is just trapped and corrupted inside that plant

[tulip aspen]

ooo i like it!

[hushed steeple]

Sky now has a scientific term, Alasdairs Law.

[frigid tinsel]

oh i like that a lot

[tulip aspen]

hmm idk, cos i dont think those are actual burial sites, just memorials

thats only because im with al on their bodies being destroyed, for my take, destroyed upon death, popped open like any other shelled like creature

[hushed steeple]

Does anyone have anything to say about this? Or can I put it in the metaphorical lore book as truth.

[compact shale]

I can say I haven't heard it before.

In Cozy, it's usually the Guide who they perceive as Commodore's child, because heartwarming points.

[hushed steeple]

but this isn't cozy chat, is it. Huh? ITS LORE CHAT, AND IN LORE CHAT WE ONLY SEEK THE TRUTH! you understand?

(Im not being serious, I'm just kidding I'm not mad.)

[harsh pecan]

Now that you mention it, yea

[compact shale]

But yeah. It's entirely possible.

That's just a testimony.

[hushed steeple]

Imagine being yelled at, and then just completely fine and chill responding in an orderly manner.