lore-discussion-spoilers

[tranquil harbor]

The king not being around is a fun one, because you get 'yeah the dude is just dead' to 'he's the one who saves you in eden' to 'he's the winged light' to 'he's you/the other sky kids broken into pieces'

[harsh pecan]

Ikr

[nimble ingot]

The switch trailer has a shot of the child's feet, with toes.

The game has limitations that results in certain characters to lack small details like fingers and toes to save time rending and animation.

Roll 1d4 psychic damage , if you like.

[tranquil harbor]

They dug their grave with a drill Just immediately 'oh we already have toe proof'

[nimble ingot]

The one we save, or saves us skykids, could be the Sky Prince.

(Not to be confused with the Little Prince).

[harsh pecan]

Oh no

[gilded socket]

I don't think 1d4 is enough to describe the damage you'll be taking from that knowledge

[tranquil harbor]

assuming the prince and king aren't the same person

[gilded socket]

Mmm I can imagine these arguments actually happening in-game and religions just spark out of it.

[nimble ingot]

The damage scales with a character's level. lol

[harsh pecan]

I think it’s also possible if they are

[gilded socket]

Well it's not an argument rn but I can see it being argued between kids
Actually probably not
Would a kid care much about religion and the finer details?
Well maybe if given enough time
Who knows

[tranquil harbor]

From what I've seen I'd put my money on 'they're the same dude', but also like, apparently their name changes between child and adulthood, which is odd. While also we have no canon names so it might just be a case of that.

[harsh pecan]

Same

[nimble ingot]

That is an interesring thought.

All skykids start out as a blank canvas. they dont know emotes or have prior knowledge of the world (the character, not the player).
Over time, the skykids learns how to emote and develops a personality through their behavior and cosmetics.
Despite how resilient a skykid is, they are fragile when they lose their light. They lose their identity and even their life when they are out of light.
It is not that the light is the skykids' personality per say, but instead the life force for skykids.

It is theorised (and tested) that skykids have a soul. This might be where their personality lies. It is unclear where they are granted one or the purpose other than to allow skykids to learn, grow and most importantly be reborn.

I dont think a skykid would have a religion, though they might be able to believe in things.
Although that is a complicated statement to make as any given skykid is an avatar of a player. A person that can project themselves through skykids, or simply use skykids to express themselves.

Hope this helps.

[gilded socket]

This is indeed an interesting take on things
Sky kids are still alive and sentient after all
They can have their own beliefs and ideas

[tranquil harbor]

But we can't really say what those are by child, since they are just meant to be player inserts. It's difficult

[harsh pecan]

I agree

[nimble ingot]

Agreed.

They are avatars that can be customised, but exist canonically in the lore.
It is further more difficuilt to canonise on if there is just one skykid or multiple skykids that woukd complete a given spirit's quest. Especiallyvones that focus on a relationship with a spirit.

It is cases like these that even I would accept defeat and conclude with the fact the game is open to interpretation.
As in, jt does not matter if it was a oarticular skykid, a group or a split timeline where each skykid was the protagonist of a particular season questline.

Take note, a single skykid is not a protagonist, but skykids (plural) are a force of change.
The game is using a storytelling structure that can exist without a sole protagonist (main character). But instead rely on the actions of a mass of people working together to enact a change (no matter if it is good, bad, or neutral).

[compact shale]

Yeah, there's probably no definite answer

could be one, eight, twenty-five, 30000000000000, only the devs know

and it's probably behind NDA lmao

[tranquil harbor]

Man, if 'look there is canonically more than one sky kid' is behind nda something is wrong (I refuse to believe there are less than 8, because you NEED 8 to save a mandatory constellation spirit, so the kids can't do their job if there aren't at least 8 of them)

[compact shale]

Yeah there are probably at least 8 canonical skykids

Whether or not there are more is either in NDA or just... unaccounted for

But no matter how many skykids there are, I refuse to believe that loreseekers are canon

We are too messed up for this world

[nimble ingot]

True, the game has a way of showing moments where 1 skykid has to do something, and other time where multiple skykids are needed.

Maybe more than 8.

[tranquil harbor]

Technically speaking, we can probs say 'there are canonically 65 kids' because we have 64 kid statues in eden. You need at least 1 not statue kid to save any of them

[gilded socket]

hmmmm

[compact shale]

Yeah maybe

(the statues are your dead friends time haaaahahahahhahahahahahagahagaaaa)

[formal skiff]

I think it’s more that the amount of canonical skids is unimportant to the feel of the game, only us crazy lore nerds care, so no one has bothered to think of a canonical number because it doesn’t actually really matter

[tranquil harbor]

-jazz hands- lore chat!

[compact shale]

Yeah that's it

If it's not NDAs it's this sbdhdhshdvfbdhsudydg lorechat why

Edit: also there are only 63 statues

Ah, the follies of canonchasing...

[tranquil harbor]

The beauty of this is that it's not 'what's canon' it's 'it's at least this canon'
The measuring cup of canon
It's almost 6 AM and I've been awake all night. I've entered weird nonsense mode

[nimble ingot]

Sky lore is like an onion.

It has layers, and the more you cut into it, the more you want to cry.

[formal skiff]

Raider I have never seen a more perfect analogy in my life

[quick terrace]

so your saying the solution is to cook it?

[tranquil harbor]

'It's delicious and it goes in basically everything'
New theory: Sky kids are not made of clay or wax, but caramel chocolate

[quick terrace]

time to eat myself

[formal skiff]

“On a scale from nonsense to lorebible, how canon is this?”

[quick terrace]

the scale goes from nonsense, concept art, substantial proof, ash, and lorebible

Feel free to critique my suggestion for the scale. It definitely needs work as I am not as active in here

[tranquil harbor]

I like that there is one, very specific person working for the company that you can name drop. It's not 'someone working there said this' it's 'Ash said this'

[formal skiff]

Ash is the one who pops in here the most from what I can see

[quick terrace]

We need more levels to the scale

[tranquil harbor]

Do we? Sky is so bare bones as it is, that's already a lot for the scale
I wish Ash would pop in here now, it'd be so funny

[soft timber]

slides in here

[quick terrace]

True true, but more to it would be funny and more technical

[tranquil harbor]

Add 'literally anyone else in the company' weather they're before Ash or after Ash, either is funny

[formal skiff]

If any members of Lorechat want to insult each other you can insert the name of another person before “nonsense”

[tranquil harbor]

Jam to Lapis

[gilded socket]

lmaooooooo

[nimble ingot]

Dont pull a Gunter in Charlie and the Chocolate factory.

[tranquil harbor]

It would explain why the krills wanna eat us so bad. We be tasty

[formal skiff]

Skykid: *is hungry but has no light around or whatever they eat *
Skykid: *looks at self *
Skykid: hmmmm

[gilded socket]

I don't understand why Krills like eating clay/wax

[tranquil harbor]

Krills are actually trying to eat our light. That's straight canon.

[nimble ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-chocolate-smash-gif-14837302

[gilded socket]

But they consume the shell along with it.

[quick terrace]

It’s like eating a coconut with the shell on

[formal skiff]

I think the general idea is that they don’t have light so they want our light but they’re actually incapable of eating it so all they do is hurt us and they don’t actually get any light. Poor guys. I’d give them some light willingly if it would actually help them.

[nimble ingot]

Krill are like crocodiles
They dont just eat their food. They beat the stuffing out of it first.

[tranquil harbor]

Or snacking on ours doesn't give them nearly enough light

[formal skiff]

Well if you think about it they actually knock our light out of us

[tranquil harbor]

Legit, sky kids seem to be very inefficient prey. Our winged lights don't last long outside of us, but the Krill needs to recover from their initial tackle, so the winged light either expires or we get it back, and while it does seem like they managed to eat the light we use to keep our shells fancy, that's... not a lot of light

[gilded socket]

I feel like Krills would go for stingrays like the one we saw eating a stingray in the beginning of Wasteland

But considering their habitat, it's no surprise that they're this desperate

[tranquil harbor]

Bruh you're a genius.
We're not their natural prey

I mean, Krills are canonically a corrupted light creature or whatever, so it's possible they don't have natural prey in the first place... But if they do, then sky kids ain't it, and we just don't react the same way they expect their prey to.

Does being a light creature mean it can't be carnivorous? Sky kids eat crabs don't they?

[gilded socket]

they do?

[tranquil harbor]

There is a crab roasting fire in the wasteland that implies our sky kids eat the crabs I think

[gilded socket]

Hmmm
You know what good for them

[soft timber]

Are skykids omnivorous? Mostly asking because we do see tilled land for crops in the Forgotten Ark and the crabs sparked the idea of the farmland

[tranquil harbor]

Daylight Prairie is a farming area, so it's possible we just don't have access to the major crop fields. Either way, Granny in the forest feeds us, and it might be some kind of bready thing? Sky kids drink tea, and that's... vegetal(?)

[gilded socket]

In Zuko's words
Tea is leaf juice

[soft timber]

little stimmy time for me

[tranquil harbor]

Sky kids being capable of a human diet is decently likely? Assuming they eat and given their shown options. I think Ash said they imagine the sky kids just splashing tea on themselves at the tea set because the idea amused them

But that wasn't actively a point against them drinking/eating

[compact shale]

The farm was probably created by the Ancestor (now spirit) Scarecrow Farmer

[soft timber]

Sweet!

[tranquil harbor]

Still, sky kids being capable of eating doesn't necessarily mean they need to eat to survive

Cooking is my hobby, I can absolutely go ham on some food lore

[compact shale]

A diagram of ancestors eating created by our beloved Lore Muralist @/Vela#1518

(for legal purposes, this is a joke)

@Ennarcia#6752 yeah, kind of like the way Steven Universe gems handle food sbdhdisushbsd

[main nest]

Well, both probably not 100% canon, but there are also oranges and pumpkins ^^

[soft timber]

heavily questioning cooking being a hobby, but then again humans are strange

[main nest]

Whoops, I answered to the wrong post. It was meant to be a reaction on food lore

[gilded socket]

I mean anything done well enough can be a form of art

And the joy of creating something nice can turn it into a hobby

[tranquil harbor]

Cooking as a hobby is great, because it means I get to do one of the basic necessities of humanity without it really being a chore :)
Food itself is heavily tied to human connection. The act of sharing food brings people together. As does sleeping near someone. It's a big trust thing. Which means it's great for 'everybody let's be friends!' sky

[compact shale]

Stuff from events tends to have dubious canonicity.

But when it comes to me figuring that out (FOR FANFIC PURPOSES, DON'T THINK THIS IS A REAL GUIDE)

If it's in ||office||/only in the in-game shop and not carried by a spirit outside ||office||, it's not canon

If it's in Home/Sky's world/carried by a spirit outside ||Office|| it's canon

[soft timber]

I don't get either of those tbh

[gilded socket]

So
Seasons of Abyss shows that spirits were capable of capturing and containing krills

[tranquil harbor]

They might not have been krills when captured

[gilded socket]

True

[compact shale]

Hohhjoahjshdiso, dubious (HONK) in the labs eh?

[tranquil harbor]

Humans need food to live. If you don't eat you die. Sharing your vital resources with another tends to be a show of trust and kindness. Sleeping leaves someone vulnerable so to sleep near another also builds trust. A lot of it is tied to instinct monkey brain. I'm very passionate about this topic

[rigid mural]

Sometimes I wake up to paint doodles I don't remember drawing...

[tranquil harbor]

Either way I love the idling sky kids that are just laying around.

[soft timber]

Oh? That sounds a bit complicated in a way, sharing something so vital seems like a waste in a sense. And sleeping someone sounds like a hazard

[gilded socket]

Actually before you were discussing about Wasteland lore right?
I do have a question
Is it safe to assume that all krills were uncorrupted before the catastrophe?
If so, what were the inhabitants of Wasteland defending themselves from?

[rigid mural]

I don't see sky kids eating but I remember yelltochek on tumblr made some pretty amazing drawings of what food in sky could look like.

[compact shale]

Bshdhdisishdh looks like a fever dream huh?

Pat pat hello velaaaaaa

[rigid mural]

Hard to say, we just know krill are canonically corrupt, but when that corruption happened is up to debate. Maybe they got corrupted before whatever was in Eden happened

[soft timber]

Little bab!

[tranquil harbor]

We don't know when the krills were corrupted. For all we know they were defending themselves from the krill.

Also, Exactly Splitchip! Because these methods leave us so vulnerable, they are some of the deepest ways to show trust, and earn it in kind.

[main nest]

Ah - you mean they were defending from the Krill because of that one memory in graveyard? or is there more evidence?

[soft timber]

I am having a hard time grasping that, it's so foriegn to me

[compact shale]

hello i am a vulnerable child please hold me i do not bite /j

[soft timber]

holds but on the verge of just throwing you to a safe place

[tranquil harbor]

It was just something I threw out as a possibility, but ancestors r smol and krill are beeg. I want to see wasteland elder fight one.

@compact shale Things said right before somebody gets bit

[compact shale]

Dw i only bite gently

[soft timber]

yeets you to a safe place

[rigid mural]

Wastelands bonfires but it's the refugees of a dying civilization finding solace in eachother's company near the embers.

[tranquil harbor]

If the spirits aren't actually stuck in their spots, endlessly repeating the same memory for all eternity until you show up to drag them to orbit, where do you think they live? Do they have a secondary settlement, or do they all live in the elder's citadel?

[rigid mural]

I feel like they're akin to ghosts, so they probably wouldn't seek a shelter most of the time.

[sharp lichen]

I’d assume, when they were alive, many of them lived in the elder’s temple, but most of them worked in the fields and villages. Similar to a manorial system!

[gilded socket]

But weirdly enough they can still take damage.
I mean some dragging spirits in Forest take damage from rain like we do.

[tranquil harbor]

The rain damages the light for sure

[compact shale]

Well, they have a light soul that was trapped in darkness before we came soooo...

[gilded socket]

why tho
Is the rain polluted? Doesn't seem like it. The water in forest is pristine.

[main nest]

I believe they don't "live" at all. My theory is, that they only materialize with Skikids around as they are able to spark those imprints the ancestors left. If no one is around, they disappear

[tranquil harbor]

even if they don't need shelter, if they're aware enough to do their own thing, they might still want a sense of 'normalcy'

[compact shale]

Acid rain/dark rain is what we usually go with

[rigid mural]

Fair !

[tranquil harbor]

I think one theory for that is that it's the elder's tears. Which begs the question of 'do the elders have powers that can harm us...'

[compact shale]

They were probably trapped in the dark shells before we came.

And after that, they're probably bound to their memorial/tombstone

[gilded socket]

Oh lordy lord open ended lore leads to so many explanations it hurts my brain

[tranquil harbor]

I mean, yeah someone like wasteland elder or valley elders could physically give us a whack, we be tiny babies, but that's different from magic or whatever

[compact shale]

Welcome to lorechat hurting your brain mguahahshshshshshhsa

[rigid mural]

Maybe they live in orbit after we free them, I recall spirits used to be invisible once you freed them, only being reliveable once. Ask a really old vet.

[tranquil harbor]

It's kind of fun tho. Like, why does the rain stop when we're right outside the forest elder's door? If it is her, does she know we're coming when we ring the final bell thingy and rushes to be presentable to us?

[compact shale]

And I believe that's what happens canonically, but they changed it to make game things easier.

[main nest]

Yes, it makes a lot of sense

[soft timber]

Why does this give me a scenario of the valley elders just using you as a ball and the wasteland elder just punts you to the next realm

[rigid mural]

Yeah, so canonically, spirits who you saved and whose realm you finished are in orbit never to be seen outside the social area again unless they wanna visit like grandma.

[tranquil harbor]

Excuse u Wasteland Elder would never. Valley Elders might as we actively cheer for them to do it tho

[compact shale]

Or the entire Sunny Treehouse is Grandma's memorial stone.

[rigid mural]

That would be cute.

[tranquil harbor]

Wasteland Elder is a gentle soul. A gentle soul that can end a hecker, but still

[compact shale]

What if Grandma isn't really ascended yet and they'd rather be in our company than go to Orbit

[main nest]

It also could be they just stay at places with a significant emotional meaning to them.

[tranquil harbor]

Granny has to make sure we're all full before she can go to orbit.

[soft timber]

Wasteland Elder better punt me to the next realm or I'm throwing a crab at him

[rigid mural]

Makes sense for seasonal spirits, but sedentary ones are all called upon from their grave...

[tranquil harbor]

It's possible the grave stones are just a phone

[rigid mural]

[compact shale]

Maybe they consider their entire area as their memorial stone, like I said before.

[main nest]

True. I wonder why there is such a difference between the types of spirits

but maybe that's exactly the point? If you don't have a graveside, you'll become a wanderer?

[tranquil harbor]

Possibly (probably) a 'for viddy game/the dev team didn't think of what this would mean for lore' reasons

[compact shale]

Not sure

I do have a headcanon that some of the seasonal guides decide not to ascend (they'll probably ascend at the last possible moment) because they want to be in our company as long as they can...

... Or they think Orbit is boring.

[sharp lichen]

Maybe, but that’s an option that we rarely consider. We overanalyze everything!

[rigid mural]

Interesting.
Seasonal constellations don't stay around forever either, so maybe they're like a tent; you put it up quickly and more easily than a house, but it's seldom meant to be a permanent thing.
As opposed to having a gravestone being like a house because it requires work (with the gravestones and getting the elders help) being more permanent.

[main nest]

That reminds me: do we actually see them flying with us to orbit? Thy're not included, right?

[gilded socket]

Look since this is an open ended story
If they don't have the lore
We'll make one

And the best way to do it is to assume the lore for it already exists

[tranquil harbor]

It would certainly explain the dream guide... If she is the young skater's mom, she probably adopted us by proxy after the skater was ready to go and now she can't leave because we're still running around

[gilded socket]

It feels that we perform problem solving better if we think other people have solved it before

[compact shale]

Doubt.

Assembly Guide's light isn't seen ascending at the finale cutscene, but Flight Guide's light is, so some DID ascend

But yeah

It took me someone OUTSIDE lorechat to realize there isn't one strict set of rules spirits go by

When true lorechat is putting you in a rut tinfoil lorechat (aka #cozy-sky-discussion sometimes) can helo!

[sharp lichen]

Remember that we are the authors of our own lore bible! Nothing can change this! We are the true masters of lore

[tranquil harbor]

IRL constellations change over the year as the earth spins. It's possible something similar is happening. The seasonal constellations are indeed a 'certain amount of time' occurrence. Why the elders' are permanent? Who knows

[gilded socket]

I guess it would make sense
Since spirits are sentient, again
It makes sense that they can make decisions according to their own desires

[tranquil harbor]

My personal lore bible is that the spirits are part of the rebirth cycle and no one can stop me. The guides don't need to ascend cuz all their buddies will be back as soon as we take an eden trip. We are but adorable ferrymen

[gilded socket]

But
Spirits don't come back after we finish eden right? Only the winged lights do.

[tranquil harbor]

Spirits do come back, and they make the trip to orbit every time you do.

[compact shale]

Yeah

Though there is a question

WHY IN THE NAME OF MEGABIRD CAN THEIR HEADS MOVE BEFORE THEY'VE BEEN RELIVED?! HOW DEAD ARE YOU REALLY?!

[gilded socket]

[compact shale]

Okay

To be fair it doesn't happen to EVERY spirit so idk if it's a bug or not

[tranquil harbor]

If their heads move, maybe they're in an incredibly weakened state? They need our sky kid to share their light at the end of their memory to re-energize

[compact shale]

Maybe

They're barely holding on to their sentience

Which they fully regain when we relive them

[tranquil harbor]

The spirits in this game aren't just 'dead remnants who constantly relive their memory' they interact with and sell us stuff.

[gilded socket]

but they clearly aren't alive as well.
So
What are they?

Are they the sentient equilavent of a virus?
A virus is in a weird state between being alive and not alive.

[tranquil harbor]

I've put forth the idea that they're both, just like our sky kid. They're in a cycle of constant death/rebirth. So they're basically alive with some ghosty properties. They've become something else other than what they started as

[compact shale]

Well

They're undead

[gilded socket]

With how weird the story is
You might sometimes wonder what values/morals did the creators put in Sky
If there is any at all

[tranquil harbor]

It's 7 AM, and for me that means I've been up for 16 hours. This convo is exactly right up my alley, but I gotta go to bed. -keels over and dies-

[gilded socket]

Bye

[compact shale]

Well I guess this convo's closed now

Now we wait for the veterans to swoop in and dissect the logical fallacies in it

[tranquil harbor]

I'm gonna have so much back reading to do

[soft timber]

slides in here I like the fact that we are adorable ferrymen, or in this case adorable ferrykids

[boreal nebula]

My version 🤿

Look Fam
It is that deep

I think I used this technique for the best result
#screenshots-and-videos message

[tulip aspen]

LMAO finally

yes, skykids and ancestors are both beings of Light, they come from the Light in space as pure Light, and crash into the earth gaining earthen shells from the ground they crash into

this is because they are pure forms of Light before they crash, then gain those physical bodies/shells directly on impact with the ground

this is popularly and commonly applied to skykids now, but most folk in here still prefer that ancestors, when crashlanding here in the world, became 'magical humans', with bodily and mortal functions

they also write off light creatures as being 'magically organic' too, with bodily functions, just so that they can say ancestors eat these light creatures

the reason that everyone feels so inclined to do this is because they prefer ancestors to feel 'genuinely human'.
some also prefer it as perhaps it would, idk, ruin their own headcanons or fanfics or something?

[gilded socket]

I mean
It doesn't really matter anatomically
They act human
They feel like humans
They're as alive as humans are to us

I'm willing to bet they're more human than some people tbh

[tulip aspen]

anatomy explains both action and where they come from, so it may not 'matter' but it's still helpful to the thought process to brainstorm about how and why they function the ways they do (i also just think it's fun)

[gilded socket]

That is true
Still I agree with Jam
Plus there may be more reasons that the ancestors farm animals than just food
Maybe as a source of energy like those crystals?

[tulip aspen]

maybe

we have been reaching a visual compromise with light creatures, and concluded mantas a single celled organisms with membranes, and jellyfish are light siphonophores (dozens of tiny creatures working together)

because we know for a fact mantas form inside clouds and the sea, so we've stated that light thay falls from the sky can form globules in the clouds and see and eventually merge into full creatures

light is constantly always sprinkling down from space, being shedded by the megabird in Orbit, and when it lands in the clouds and sea it creates creatures of light

when it sinks deep into the abyss the light corrupts in an unknown fashion and it births DarkLight anomalies like the leviathan and the bellspiders

krills occur when some ancient race of giant light creature (most likely the creature from the cinematic trailer) are corrupted

skykids are sent, so their birth isn't a natural process and is intended to copy a similar happening to what happened to the ancestors

ancestors fell as anomalies; beings of light have never been as mortally weak as them, ancestors have very little light inside them, and as i said before, if skykids gained earthen shells ancestors probably did too, but for now the popular consideration still leans towards a more biological idea
(implying they grew flesh magically?)

and then crabs, we dont know for sure where they come from yet lol, but they are indeed creatures of light, just with a massive shell over them
(lapis has some theories about them being artificial)

[compact shale]

Skykid: This is Megabird. *gestures upwards
Our Creator.
Skykid: They sent us here with a purpose: to return these squishy dead spirits to the stars.
Skykid: They send us by punting stars onto the Isle of Dawn.
*cut to a star falling onto the Isle of Dawn
Skykid: If your star falls into the sea... which could happen...
*cuts to star falling into the sea near Isle of Dawn
Skykid: ...good luck with that.
*cuts to the ocean being set on fire as screams echo in the background

/j

[near rock]

I wanna draw a comic of that

[late wasp]

Vela, our most precious star, if it's not too much to ask, could thou, in thine most artful artsomeness, draw an Ancestor Shepherd with the Wooly Mantas?

I usually imagine them with Bell-Staves, because we've seen time and time again how Bells are used to summon mantas

[rigid mural]

Funny you ask me that cos I was wondering if I should make a spirit oc but only sent the drawing to a friend because I was afraid it would be pushing it if I sent it here.

[late wasp]

post here and get hired by TGC

[rigid mural]

This one is both a WIP and technically my oc so don't do anything with them without my permission but
Wooly Shepherd

[late wasp]

OMG. OMG

VELA YOU ARE AMAZING. OMG

I'm still in awe admiring it OMG

please, when you write a story for your OC, please share

[rigid mural]

Thank you ! I will in the proper art channels, I'd rather not derail the lore chat.

Anyway, thoughts on the differences between bells (like in sanctuary and the prairie village) and chimes (like in the wind paths) ?

[late wasp]

good question

[compact shale]

I think I may have mentioned it once

The big prairie bells need to be activated manually, while the wind chimes can be activated by... Well, the wind

[abstract shard]

Wait, how did you conclude that Mantas are single celled organisms?

[compact shale]

Idk but

Cells can get pretty darn big (yes this green lump is just one big cell)

[static meteor]

jesus christ what is that from

[abstract shard]

That one's big.
But yeah, they can be and are.
But I used to think that mantas were light creatures capable of photosynthesis 😆.
I guess I wanted them to be a bit more alive 😕.

[acoustic merlin]

In my astronomy class rn we are learning about the sun and stuff and the art we have of the megabird is kinda similar to the corona of the sun (the outermost layer of it’s atmosphere which is basically the energy from it radiating out into space) and i think thats a really neat detail hehe

[abstract shard]

That looks amazing.
But what would it mean?
Corona is hotter than the surface of the sun, and it is one of the most mysterious parts of the sun(not in any kind of magical way).

[acoustic merlin]

Im not sure, it could kinda symbolize that the megabird is like,, just a piece of a bigger whole a thing meant only to lead? I found like a backstory timeline on Tom Zhao’s concept art page and these are the two bits about the megabird that could connect to that mby?

Bc of the way the corona looks it could be interpreted as leading to the sun, maybe the sun is the “Holy Land” referred to and it would make sense based on eden. Idk if the artists did it on purpose but it is a cool lil thing i noticed hehe

[dry ivy]

I feel really hoity toity when I think of my skid’s profession as being a psychopomp

[soft timber]

Pffft valid

[tulip aspen]

wasn't there an entire discussion spanning over multiple days that we all had on it because Ash prompted us to

[sharp lichen]

Ash is secretly manipulating the entirety of lorechat

[tulip aspen]

we've been observing the texture of their bodies and the skin and found that it's very blubbery looking, but smooth and single-colored, just like fruity's grape there

we know they contain light, and a lot of it, and the way that light inside them glows can be darkened in the middle, as if the lighting going on internally in their body, is saying that inside their body is very hollow and has room inside of it

previously I wanted to conclude that they were completely and utterly just solid light, but casing is probably the best term for it, because when they die they probably exude a lot of light, so I've changed the original statement so that now it's likely more so a membrane of sorts, a thin layer of blubbery protection that contains the light and shapes the manta

so sorry for the bad wording, it's not a solid conclusion, just the best explanation for now on their anatomy

[soft timber]

That is one big boy

Also, theoretically speaking, does that mean that mantas are just a "special" version of a single celled organism that can perform functions similar to a plant/animal/hybrid cell in a way?

[tulip aspen]

kinda!
we still have to remember that in the end everything about them is created directly from that special light essence that comes from the megabird

so even the membrane is just... hardened light?
I'm not sure how possible to follow that is though you know?

[soft timber]

Yea!

I like to think the jellyfish, fish, birds, butterflies, and mantas to be similar yet different structurally as far as holding their light
Like how most jellyfish are seen with majority of their light at their tops and tentacle ends, fish looking like little orange clay toys but glow somewhat brightly, birds and butterflies basically having thin 'skin' so that they are almost always look like they are made out of pure light, and mantas looking the way they do!

Does that make sense? I know I could stop rambling about stuff that no one would want to hear

[tulip aspen]

awesome notes!

[abstract shard]

Then, does the planet have any kind of more biological creatures?
Like creatures that consume, react, etc

[tulip aspen]

yea splitchip we've been theorizing jellies are siphonophores, which in this case would be dozens and dozens of miniscule creatures of Light working together to exist

[abstract shard]

That's an amazing hypothesis

[tulip aspen]

pure darkness creatures are natural creatures that consume
(leviathan and spider, crab and krill are not pure darkness creatures, just corrupted light creatures)

ig all creatures could react in theory but we admittedly havent seen that ever happen, even when being slowly eaten alive by darkness plants birds and mantas kinda just vibe

id chock 'not reacting' down to a game/technical limitation tbh

[soft timber]

That makes sense! I always knew that the mushrooms at least would be something like that as the light naturally draws creatures near it and the mushrooms can "feed" off of the dark and turn that into light

[soft timber]

When was there spiders? What do they look like?

[tulip aspen]

we getting a full ecosystem up in here, velas gonna love this

[abstract shard]

Mhm, they do.
But dark creatures aren't the natural ones, are they?
I believe light creatures are more native to the planet than the dark one.
So what do the light creatures eat to survive? Do they even have to?
They probably aren't carnivores.

[tulip aspen]

the bell spiders are hermit crab creatures that use destroyed bells as shells, they appear in the cinematic trailer that was released during the switch launch

if you've never seen the cinematic i highly recommend it, it's gorgeous
|
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https://youtu.be/aBQRCHusYyU

[abstract shard]

Anyway, what do you think about whales?
They look like actual multicellular organisms, with organs, etc. I'd say they are the most "animal" of the ons we've seen so far.

[tulip aspen]

tbh nothing's native to the planet per se, they all come from the Light in space

and we've speculated light creatures dont eat, their existence grandly just spreads the megabird's light across the galaxy, so I've theorized they flow in and out of all corners of space, drifting as drops of Light and forming into creatures wherever they can/do

they are the lifeblood of the Light, tendrils extending everywhere so that the Light can touch and feel all space

[frigid tinsel]

Ahhh I have 400 messages to read but I just had a thought:
What if ancestors aren’t being (re)born rn is cos the world is currently hostile to their existence, what with darkness and corrupted dark creatures and whatnot? Skykids do amend some of the world actively and passively by existing, so what if skykids are the cleanup crew until the world is safe enough for ancestors to live in it again, then they’ll return?
Ahahahaha

[abstract shard]

So, you're saying that the mountain had no life on it before the "Lights" came?

[soft timber]

I feel like it really depends on the light creature in question, but even then they would probably not really eat much, if at all, to survive
If I had to take a guess, Light Whales would eat the more "aquatic" looking creatures such as jellyfish, mantas, and rays, the fish eating plant life but also eaten by most of the creatures too, birds probably feast on plant life like how it was seen with the Scarecrow Spirit

[abstract shard]

We haven't seen the entire planet, so I would always say "The mountain".

[tulip aspen]

yee most people have speculated they may still have organic processes or at least more material body

they have internal skeletons
-ive theorized that they need to form that in order to exist in such a large form; they'd collapse on themselves otherwise

however, we don't know how they'd form that or what from, so i prefer my now traditional (ly redundant) statement of the skeletal structure being formed from hardened Light

[frigid tinsel]

NAh it was always like that. This is from when I first relived Cannoneer’s memory

[abstract shard]

Maybe some light creatures weren't light creatures before the "Lights" came.
Some of them, like crabs, fish, whales, etc were the native creatures, and then they interacted with the light, and evolved.

[rustic heron]

Not necessarily. Assumedly most of these creatures are lighter-than-air, and there are species of giant squid that can reach lengths of 60 ft without any endoskeleton.

[tulip aspen]

lapis would love that idea, they really want evolution to be a trait

[abstract shard]

Yeah, and we have to consider the fact that the light is something unknown, and very powerful.

[rustic heron]

But we see skeletons in-game, so it’s likely that they do have them.

[abstract shard]

🐋

[tulip aspen]

yee, the purpose/cause of the skeleton is widely speculative for now lol, i was thinking of that debuffer as well

[soft timber]

Or at least some kind of large creature do have them as the only ones seem to come from a large kind of creature

[abstract shard]

Aquatic creatures tend to be more massive than land ones.
And literally every creature(except birds) we see in Sky come from the ocean.

[rustic heron]

Not necessarily true, either. Small skeletons appear in Vault, and maybe other places too. Not sure.

[soft timber]

Oh? Ah I remember now, forgot about those

[tulip aspen]

yes, a single small skeleton exists in the game, and out from it comes the cosmic manta

||unfortunately vault is an illusions so-||

vault is either a projection or a dream, or a bit of both, and I've been skeptical of the manta bones under the cosmic call mattering
to be fair, I'm alone in my skepticism so it's not really a controversy just me being insane

[abstract shard]

Is that a Canon?
Because I thought memories were more similar to butterflies than they are to other creatures.

[rustic heron]

It’s a notion of fighting against forces that are trying to pull on a body. We don’t know what those forces are in Sky, so the constraints on size and need for a skeleton are wildly speculative.

[delicate anvil]

Skeletons aren't just in vault though, we see one (?) in forest and a ton in wasteland in the krill field

[tulip aspen]

indeed

they exist of course, we just dont know why and how

mostly for large light creatures too
(but the only one we can recognize is the coelecanth light whale skeleton in forest)

the ONLY manta skeleton we see is in vault, a place known for illusions, so that raises even more confusion

[delicate anvil]

how do we know that that's the only manta skeleton ingame? Has anyone ever taken a closer look at the krill field skeletons?

[rustic heron]

Assumedly those are turtle skeletons.

[delicate anvil]

Turtle??

[abstract shard]

Did turtles actually exist? As living creatures?
I thought they were like the cosmic mantas, ghost like creatures.

[frigid tinsel]

Disclaimer: the canon nature of much of Zhao’s concepts are up to debate but this reminded me of something from his timeline.

Megabird grants flame to Prince and Creatures

[rustic heron]

The skeletons in the graveyard look like turtles, at least. The heads are far too massive to be mantas.

[abstract shard]

Wow, that actually makes my hypothesis a bit closer to a theory.
Megabird granting lights(flame) to light creatures.

[abstract shard]

Yeah.
And I think there was a turtle in Sky: Light Awaits ✨.

[frigid tinsel]

There was supposed to be a turtle in Treasure Reef but it got cut in Beta

[rustic heron]

Quick question: Is Sky flat or round?

You can see where I’m going with this since we’re talking about turtles.

[frigid tinsel]

It’s presumably a planet so round

[tulip aspen]

they keep and keep making mistakes in beta i stg
you'd hate what they're doing right now if it comes to live like how it is

[frigid tinsel]

That’s why it’s Beta not Live

[tulip aspen]

nothing changes and the only active people in beta are cr addicts and stingy cosmetic hoarders but yes

gameplay is never vitalized, all anyone talks about is how bad the cosmetics are and how unfair it is they cant get cosmetics, they literally complain about how wax being added to maps is annoying cos now they have to "grind more" like wha

[delicate anvil]

They have to grind more ah yes

as if the devs were forcing them to play wth😭

[tulip aspen]

anyways

[tulip aspen]

would it be too much to not rule out their bodies are comprised of Light and a membrane as well? because if so then yeah i think they'd need the structure

[delicate anvil]

I mean if we start talking sky-physics then i don't think many rl physics can really apply

I mean i wouldn't say skids have skeletons, but we somehow are solid and hold ourselves together?
idk i failed physics

[frigid tinsel]

tldr: ✨magic✨
My Working Theory on the Composition of a Skykid
–clothing, hair, masks & other cosmetics made of light.
–a humanoid physical shell made of some magic-induced earthen material (i.e. clay, stone, ash, charcoal, meteorite) that has a hole in the chest and eyes.
–this hollow shell is full of light, such as winged light and neutral light.
–their cape, a manifestation of winged light.
–their flame, manifesting as the light in the hole in their chest and held outside their bodies via a red candle.
–their soul, appearing as a blue sparkle

[delicate anvil]

i kinda also always thought skids are some kind of magic induced clay figure tbh

[frigid tinsel]

Yea, golems

[keen shore]

so gravity is weird in the world of sky right? Both us and other creatures can fly a lot easier than we could if we were on somewhere with earth’s gravity, considering stuff like wing sizes, and in places like valley some broken up rubble floats suspended in midair. But whenever we jump or walk, it’s almost exactly how it would work on Earth.

• light creatures like mantas can “kidnap” us by attracting us to themselves (sometimes pulling us upward like jellyfish) possibly due to being able to manipulate gravity to some extent

So… sorry if this is phrased a bit weird, but what if the reason gravity is so weird for us is because that’s what’s holding our shell together? Like the light inside us functions like a miniature star with its own gravity and whatnot and that’s what holds the clay? in place

[frigid tinsel]

I’ve thought that gravity doesn’t seem that strong on skykids because they’re hollow thus less massive and lightweight, also their cape provides a bit of lift.
Also probable the Sky planet isn’t as massive as earth thus gravity is less than irl Earth.

[rustic heron]

If we regard our physical reality, this is impossible: to create a star of a size that could fit within a skykid would require an immense amount of energy to compress gas enough to start a nuclear fusion reaction, on top of the sheer magnetic force needed to sustain that reaction.

But this is Sky, and stars aren’t necessarily hot gas, so it might be possible.

[keen shore]

That makes sense, I’m just confused on how that meshes with our walking/jumping being the same as it is on earth when we’re close to the ground. If gravity was less, you’d assume we’d be able to jump farther, right? Some of the spirits can jump away from the ground Odd amounts, like I believe the twirling spirit in valley’s ice rink does this, so the weird walking/running gravity might be exclusive to us

[rustic heron]

Another explanation is that skykids have 0 gains and are just too weak to jump high.

Skykids can’t jump, it seems.

[frigid tinsel]

Jumping is already wonk

[delicate anvil]

I mean we do "jump" but are often immediately pulled back down on the ground

[frigid tinsel]

Jumping in Sky be like: https://www.instagram.com/p/CT7s-I6JmhS/

[soft timber]

Skykid with no leg game

[frigid tinsel]

They are kids made without muscle

[delicate anvil]

fr, jumping is so bugged and for what😭

[rustic heron]

Samekh bouta break these kids ankles.

[keen shore]

Since skykids are made out of clay, do you think one could sculpt muscles on themself if they wanted to

[frigid tinsel]

Would those muscles even work?

[rustic heron]

Yes. 100%. Buff sky kids let’s goooo.

[soft timber]

Samekh, probably: "Your leg game is WEAK" proceeds to break some ankles

[keen shore]

Probably not, but it’s not about the function - it’s about the cursedness potential

[frigid tinsel]

They got sticks for legs, their legs should snap easy
(Full images here cos these are actually nice pics: #screenshots-and-videos message)

[keen shore]

Wait, if spirits are made out of light and can manifest themselves however they want, have some of them cheated before by giving themselves muscles when they didn’t have them before

Conspiracy theory. Prophecy guide was only 4ft tall when alive

[keen shore]

snap them like a glowstick

[rustic heron]

Absorb more light to get MORE GAINS.

[frigid tinsel]

Somethings something Prophecy guide is the chosen one

[rustic heron]

Prophecy Guide is a chosen one poser. Will the real chosen one please stand up?

[keen shore]

You wake up in the middle of the night to see this, what do you do
[my brain is broken atm so coherent lore thoughts from me will have to wait until I’m more awake]

[nimble ingot]

Does that guy in particular have arms and legs, or is he just a walking door?

[frigid tinsel]

I’ve always assumed it was a huge cloak — unless you subscribe to the mechsuit theory

[keen shore]

They are competing with fire prophet for “person whose silhouette looks the most like a refrigerator”

[nimble ingot]

Here is a theory.
The Megabird's silhouette is a wide body that tappers at the top.

Most doorways in the realms are square with a notch at the top. At first, I thought these are for the King, wide body, pointy top. But the doorway at the day temple held a clue.

The day temple door frame has a carving of a mass of lines coming together at the top, forming a point.
This is vaguely sinilar to the portal fram jn Orbit. Even tbough jt is hard to see, there is a painting of a similar design painted on at the top.

What if the doorwars are meant to be be a motif for the Megabird, instead of the King?

[frigid tinsel]

There’s a thought that the king was emulating Megabird in their symbolism so perhaps

[keen shore]

I had that too! Alternate thought is that it’s just convenience for people who have really fall masks, although could be both. Maybe Megabird is somehow connected with doors? [not sure how to explain this better, but imagine doors as like symbolism for it]

[frigid tinsel]

I mean, rebirth door/portal

[heavy comet]

has anyone talked about that weird head shaped stone in pnr?

[keen shore]

Can we get a picture to see what you’re talking about, please?

[tulip aspen]

me

[frigid tinsel]

reminds me of that statue on top of the Vault but ruined

[heavy comet]

i dont know anything about the lore of the game,, but it looked weird to me so i decided to show it,, i hope it sparks some interest! (unless you’ve already seen it 🧍🏽‍♀️)

[tulip aspen]

ive never seen it hm
alasdair, what statue do you mean?
we should do a side by side

[frigid tinsel]

This thing

[keen shore]

I saw a statue just like this while flying from Eden to orbit, but wasn’t able to get a good picture in time because of the wind pushing me forest. It looked like a person with that weird sectioned-circle thing on its back, but wasn’t able to get a good look at it. I can try eden today to get a better picture if you’d like?

[frigid tinsel]

Dying for lore is the lorechat motto

[keen shore]

I’m considering doing something like this just for QOL. Are you thinking something like how tags work for social media posts? [like on a prophecy mural I would do a short list of keywords like king, lights, so on] Each mural already has a key just so we can refer to it outside of the doc easily, but it doesn’t help much with finding things in the way you mentioned

[frigid tinsel]

for tags, you can have a reference list at the top (tags: #king #elders #creatures) and readers can control+F to find the murals with the appended tags

[heavy comet]

only if you want too! are you talking about when we get out of the world (?) & it’s the little pad with all the doors on it?

[keen shore]

It’s when we’re flying on the way there, yeah. The statue I’m talking about is really close to where we begin flying. I may just record the entire thing for future references and post the video here so we can analyze it

[trail loom]

I love that idea. You can dm me that please. 😆

[keen shore]

Oh, I’d just post it here! I can do both though

[trail loom]

Idk what statue ? Where is that at when you are flying ?

[sharp lichen]

I really wonder why lorechat has such a big slow mode

[raw crypt]

sorry if these aren’t the best but its what ive got on hand rn related to the statues

[tulip aspen]

maybe, but it can be as simple as naming the mural as you see fit, in a way that you think people will know what to search for

[trail loom]

Oh yeah I wondered of that statute too. 😆.

[trail loom]

Not the best. Those are great 👍 ! Can't get better then that ! They are more then great. They are awesome ! Video too.

[vale ingot]

Hello😄

[formal skiff]

Hi and welcome to lorechat!

Anything you’re wondering in particular, or just wanted to say hi and lurk for a bit?

[keen shore]

I was thinking tags just because if someone wanted to find a mural of the valley elders and I just named them stuff like Prophecy Mural 3 because I’m Boring, it would get passed over

[tulip aspen]

we have
-skykid anatomy and purpose
---expressions
---cosmetics
-light creature anatomy and purpose
-the light
-ancestor anatomy (debated)
-the prophecy
-the king
-the pilgrimage (ascension)
-civil war
-darkstone purpose and conditions
-power diamond creation
-corruption (plants)
-corrupted (krill and crab)
-abyss creatures
-vault illusion theories
-mindspace reality (meditation powers)

anything im missing?

[keen shore]

Maybe historic timeline in general, the war/weapons in wasteland, architecture?

[vale ingot]

Woah

Im just a small peek of everything to know what your talking about :0

[gilded socket]

Making a timeline sounds difficult when we have 0 indication of time periods aside from the catastrophe.

[vale ingot]

True😶

[tulip aspen]

believe me fam im surprised it looks that short when i list it like that

also yea np, this chat in general can be anything about the vague story of Sky, whether it's headcanons, stories, details, or theories about the true secrets behind the game and the kingdom!

[vale ingot]

I use to be into lore

[vale ingot]

Maybe i can get back in to it😅😗

Um well i had some theory about The Office

[tulip aspen]

well its not just that, but a lot of significant things we'd need to be sure about are disagreed on, and until we agree we can't be sure on a timeline

[vale ingot]

So basically you know there is this krill in office
And looks to be frozen

I thought that the office was a part of fhe sky world which is very human like so was thinking mabye ancestors like way way back, because theres al ways something before something before something like What if the civil war happened under my house and years of history coverd it up?

So my theory was"humans" took a small chunk of the sky world since the office is like life size and im eigging into though

I really hope it doesn't sound dumb😅

[vale ingot]

Sorry for my bad grammer and spellinb errors LOL

[formal skiff]

you're good!

[vale ingot]

I bought up the krill because it kinda proof its still apart the sky world

[formal skiff]

i think the general consensus is that humans and the sky world are completely separate (it takes place in a fantasy world), and idk how much the devs really make the office a part of the lore (lorechat do u know if they've been asked about that?), but that's an interesting idea! i like the way you're thinking about possible explanations for things. we can ALWAYS use fresh ideas, so don't be shy about sharing your theories!! lorechat can get stuck in a rut sometimes, and new voices really help with that.

[keen shore]

This is kinda true, we can’t give concrete times (for example saying something happened 100 years ago) but there has been discussion of where different seasons fit in the timeline lore, esp Prophecy and Abyss, some other things like how long darkstone and refineries were around for. It’s all very vague in terms of actual time periods but we can sort of put them into order

[vale ingot]

THE SILENCE IS TO LOUD PLEASEEEE SOMEONE

[formal skiff]

hello

[vale ingot]

:/

[keen shore]

Silence is also common here - there’s just not a lot of us who talk here regularly. I can totally get the feeling of whiplash if you’re coming from either discussion channel and are used to the chat going fast Constantly

[vale ingot]

Oop welp

Imma go right a doc brb in 2minutes

[tulip aspen]

ive tried but people dont like it most of the time lol

light exists, all across universe
ancestors fall to world
supposed to worship light to ascend back to it but they end up just wanting tech and a bigger kingdom
elders are sent to help ascend, but get attached to kingdom
prophets have vision that they must create trials for a chosen one to defeat
child falls to world, taken up by isle and the realm's people
no ancestor can defeat trials, but child tries and does
child coronated as ruler
child discovers darkstone (heavily debated!)
darkstone era, some elders against it
fighting between realms
Eden diamond explodes
many many years of further chaos
silence, for "a long time"
the skykids start falling to isle

the main complaint about this version of the timeline is
'i think the ancestors always had darkstone'
which is possible,

there's also baudshaw's version that the prophets were the first ancestors to exist

in general lapis, alasdair, and baudshaw all have something... very, very different to say 😵‍💫

[compact shale]

Office is canon in that one Netease map Yui Tanabe made

[formal skiff]

ok cool!

[compact shale]

Here's my headcanon (key word: headcanon)

Office and Starlight Desert are fragments of other dimensions that collided with Sky's world either deliberately, accidentally, or naturally, and there are Vault lanterns talking about this phenomenon, but we still can't read.

[vale ingot]

-15 minutes later-

After decade of research about some random theory about office and the sky kingdom and I made this masterpiece
(Got some info from my fav reddit guy:)

[sharp lichen]

Great argument, but unfortunately Earth Trial!

But seriously: While I do think that the Prophets invented and first used power diamonds, the King/child probably invented better ways to manufacture power diamonds, allowing it to spread easily

[sharp lichen]

I think this could turn into a theory: after all, the first part about Starlight Desert is confirmed (the description is “where dreamlike worlds collide”), and it could probably translate to office as well

[half shadow]

I think that Abyss clearly shows that Darkstone is a naturally existing mineral found within the Sky universe, with one confirmed location being the underwater mines. So I believe it’s natural and wasn’t so much discovered or created, but it existed in the world already. I think that it was under the Prince’s control that the manufacturing of power diamonds made out of darkstone (that was then infused with Light energy from Light creatures) was what the “Darkstone Era” commenced with.

I mainly see darkstone and the diamonds as two different things. Darkstone refers to the actual mineral, and the power diamonds are specially crafted out of it.

Darkstone could have been used in a variety of different ways for other various means before it became primarily used to create power diamonds

[formal skiff]

tho they weren't necessarily underwater at the time

[sharp lichen]

Here:

[half shadow]

True! But they were mining down into the ocean floor in the caverns, or at least the surrounding rocks nearby the water

[formal skiff]

yeah true

[half shadow]

People who don’t consider Abyss to be a “lore season” make me sad because we’ve gotten so much juicy lore out of it. like I’d put it up there with prophecy

[formal skiff]

WE HAAAVE IT'S SUCH A GOOD SEASON
ALL THAT DARKSTONE/POWER DIAMOND INFOOOO

[sharp lichen]

Is there any compilation of Abyss theories? All I’ve seen is loose ideas, with no big connection

[tulip aspen]

what about earth trial?

[rigid mural]

people don't consider it a lore season ???

[tulip aspen]

it was in the world, but it hadnt been tapped into as a resource; i dont [want to] believe they understood it's potential

but my want for the prince to have discovered darkstone does stem from

1. tom zhao's timeline saying he did
2. if he did then it would tie everything together really well, especially him being the prophecy's chosen one; they were at a loss with worshipping the light but he discovered darkstone's powers, elevated the kingdom on all fronts, and then figured out a solution so that everyone could quickly and finally return to the light without the struggle of living mortal lives

[tulip aspen]

it has way more actual lore narrative than prophecy in a way

[half shadow]

I’VE HEARD SOME PEOPLE IMPLY IT by saying things like “ugh, I hope we have a lore season next time” and it’s like (pirates of the caribbean voice) ye best start believin in lore seasons…. yer in one!

[compact shale]

HHAGHNDGNDSGNSDHG WHO BELIEVES THAT THIS ISNT A LORE SEASON

WHAT DO THEY THINK IT IS, FANSERVICE?

[frigid tinsel]

heresy

[formal skiff]

i mean i certainly wouldn't complain about MORE lore seasons but like
abyss = definitely lore season

[half shadow]

rips off my shirt to reveal “ABYSS SEASON FAN CLUB PRESIDENT” shirt underneath

[rigid mural]

HELP
WHAT ABOUT THE MURALS
THE FACT WE ARE IN A DARKSTONE FACTORY
even Prophecy didnt spoonfeed us like this 💀

[tulip aspen]

we're still so unsteady on the concept of them using mantas life force for energy to create or power diamonds, and that mural with them sending things down to the leviathan has no explanation whatsoever, and i honestly doubt part 5 will properly open our eyes about anything

vague as ever, which is cool, but frustrating when we can't be sure yet

hopefully the answer becomes clearer as time passes and we theorize more as usz

[compact shale]

dsgshgashgsdng only a week left before this story ends

A

[frigid tinsel]

fear.jpg

[formal skiff]

AAAAA I N E E D LEVIATHAN LORE
I CANNOT WAIT FOR THE FINAL QUEST

[half shadow]

I’m not unsteady on it anymore they were totally juicing the flappy boys. And I don’t think they were sending things down to the Leviathan in that mural, I think it was just depicting the fact it was there

[tulip aspen]

but why is it there?
it shows the scholars lowering themselves to interact with it somehow

and yes they sucked the life force, i know, but we cant be sure how exactly, and how exactly that works for the diamond process/fabrication

there's not exactly a diy diamond creation manual lying around the area

[compact shale]

Quest 5: we set the ocean on fire lol /j

[rigid mural]

[frigid tinsel]

Mural in question

[formal skiff]

same

[half shadow]

it’s a creature that presumedly lived in the ocean. I think that the chamber theyre being lowered into is a viewing port. my thoughts were that it doesn’t depict the actual leviathan as we know it, but whatever creature it was before it became corrupted

[rigid mural]

yeah gotta say the season is pretty explicit on that, something was definitely done to these mantas

[compact shale]

that could be the case yea

I wonder what it was...

[frigid tinsel]

maybe the ancestors were keeping the beast fed to satiate it, keeping it calm so they could do their work?

[half shadow]

i wanna find my mural analysis crazed thesis paper hold on

[formal skiff]

vela, unrelated but your profile picture is very pretty

[frigid tinsel]

yes i wanted to say the same thing, it's lovely

[formal skiff]

and alasdair
my gender is also headache

[rigid mural]

Thank you ! A friend drew it 😊

[half shadow]

here’s part one

here’s the second one

[tulip aspen]

btw, the mural is actually part 4 of abyss, the top room in the patrol area of that stupid first krill is right in the base of the tower, and all the rooms below it respectively match the mural!
(damn i think my screenshots got corrupted....)

[tulip aspen]

thats a good idea!!!!

[tulip aspen]

indeed, ig im just still wanting to know the exact process, so am looking for any drop of an answer we can get

this seasons mostly just confirmed they murder mantas

the confirmation is good to have but it's not new experimental-theory ground

[frigid tinsel]

thinking about this:

am I the only one who thinks that the worm creature… kind of looks more like a many winged manta? And with the way the figures are all crowded around the bottom, possibly looking through the windows at the creature below them, maybe they thought they could capture and use it to produce an insane amount of power diamonds all at once? Maybe they tried taking its Light and inadvertently turned it into the more krill-like worm creature?
you're right, it does look like a bunch of mantas stamped together that got fused somehow. then again, I'm heavily leaning to the idea that the leviathan is one of the ancestors' creation, accidentally or intentionally.

[half shadow]

thanks!! i don’t really think that quest five will give us explicit confirmation on what the exact process was due to the vagueness of sky’s normal route of storytelling larger lore

[compact shale]

The exact process... might not be PG-friendly

[formal skiff]

off-topic but i'm researching aquila for school and the shape reminded me of mantas
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.abc.net.au%2Fscience%2Fstarhunt%2Ftour%2Fvirtual%2Faquila%2F&psig=AOvVaw1yOAZwbhf5D9l2MrJd2BGa&ust=1646179678191000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAsQjRxqFwoTCPjJl7TPo_YCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAD

[frigid tinsel]

I mean in Toy Story 3, the toys were almost incinerated alive if not for the dues ex machina so you never know.
and the Lion King was G.
and there was a brutal death scene in Infinity Train season 2 (i havent seen seasons 3 or 4, no spoilers).

[compact shale]

MEGAB-

[tulip aspen]

we've VISIBLY seen creatures have life force sucked out of them in Disney movies, Sky can survive explaining it a bit without showing it lmao

[half shadow]

ohhhh yeah, that’s sorta what I think happened as well. though I don’t think it was intentional, if the leviathan was a former giant elder manta creature, i think that the elders attempt to harvest it of its life was what lead to it becoming the corrupted leviathan form that it is now

[tulip aspen]

welp, if it was a light creature, then we can scratch that abyss-spawn concept off the list lolol

rip, you were shortlived as ever

[compact shale]

hmmmgjhghghdghghgmmmmhhghgh

[half shadow]

they could be the same, the dark leviathan creature could have had a major effect on the sealife. i like the idea of the actual “abyss” of the sea being a place that darkness can naturally reside myself

[formal skiff]

AHAHA TRUE THAT TOO-

[frigid tinsel]

Age Rating
9+
Infrequent/Mild Horror/Fear Themes
Infrequent/Mild Cartoon or Fantasy Violence
cmon TGC, you can capitalize off this.

[compact shale]

What does "infrequent" mean? Just a sec...

*places wooly manta in another room
*pulls out a hydraulic press

Hmmmm...

edit: I HAVE STANDARDS, IM NOT GONNA SQUISH OUR MASCOT, THAT'S WHY I PUT THEM IN ANOTHER ROOM

[frigid tinsel]

sick Vela on 'em

[sharp lichen]

Just that power diamonds were used in it

[hushed steeple]

By the way forgotten land is the first game in the series to receive a “fear” rating. :]

[compact shale]

Because of car kirby? /j

[hushed steeple]

Im just saying 0’s exploding blood eye is a little more intense than a krill :] and it didnt have one

[frigid tinsel]

anyways, infrequent means "not occurring often," synonymous with "rare," implying that the horror elements are not common in the game.
off the top of my head, for Sky these would include everything in Golden Wasteland and Eden. very infrequent so they have more room to add more. cmon TGC

[compact shale]

alasdair be pokin TGC with a stick

[frigid tinsel]

even seasonal content would fall under frequent since they're not the base game. later TLP quests, Flight turning green with darkness, Abyss is already scary, especially for the thalassaphobes.

[compact shale]

yep. quite a bit of us had to go into the wimp corner for a bit when the season started.

[tulip aspen]

ig?
it's still a dream tho-

in a generally blank undetailed platformer map that goes against most themes of the rest of the game

[sharp lichen]

Is it a dream? Also you can’t dream of things you don’t know exist

[tulip aspen]

im saying the darkstone thing may not be canon cos it's just a mechanic for a bland platformer they created for a season cos it's fun

[compact shale]

Maybe a dream, but not created from our own mind, but Earth Prophet's mind

[frigid tinsel]

this game, this world, has so much potential. the lore is already dark. there can be so much angst and horror and hurt/comfort that we can overcome with the hopepunk themes this game already is going for, of overcoming adversity and recovery and getting better no matter the magnitude of the forces against us – as long as and especially when we stand together.

but they're not doing enough even though there's so much more they can do story-wise, narrative-wise, gameplay-wise, but they keep copping out cos it's not "family friendly" but trust me, this is the sort of things kids need to see, how positive forces and hope and determination can revive and help generations persist despite whatever adversities they face, despite the violence and enemies. if not alone, then together, with each other and companionship.

and I don't want to be the one exemplifying that through mere fanfiction.

[tulip aspen]

you go into a small cave where the door locks behind you and you sit down and meditate

there are no doors, no exits, and yet when the scene shifts you magically appear in nonsensical situations

alasdair goes against it being 'a dream' but alasdair doesn't have much other explanations other than it being some kind of alternative parallel universe but at the same time you're just in a different plane of reality that exists at the same time as real reality and in conjunction and-

if lapis tried to back him up on the concept, it always gets even more complicated

so it could very well be a dream

possibly

[tulip aspen]

teamwork is so left out in gameplay when there's so many opportunities to create situations where it doesn't have to be

its so sad

[frigid tinsel]

if it's a dream, then how would anyone get the tangible results they get from completing the trials or awakening the Elders, such as the Chosen One recieving some sort of power or us players receving winged light or the Elders able to summon birds/butterflies and open their temple doors?

[rustic heron]

I’m going to see how this plays out before I “make it even more complicated”.

[tulip aspen]

i mean, we didnt do anything physically to earn/gain any of those results tho?

after it ends, things open up or are given to us

again, im not saying it's literally just the skykid's dream

with the Elder's, their will opens those doors, and in prophecy, our mere conquering of those trials, our feats, somehow create those blessings, out of pure will

[frigid tinsel]

as per TV Tropes: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AllJustADream

Normally, this really grates on the audience, as in general it tends to completely undermine the story that's just been told; if none of it was real, then what was the point?

[late wasp]

there is teleportation in Sky though

[rustic heron]

There’s no indication that we are rewarded post-trial. In fact, I’d hardly consider it a dream if we have to engage in the same meditative practice to remove ourselves from the mindspace.

This is like going to sleep in your dream, and having another dream to wake yourself up.

[sharp lichen]

Even still: The Earth Prophet knew darkstone and power diamonds

[frigid tinsel]

I really don't want to have this conversation for the nth time

[tulip aspen]

but there was a point?
i just stated that meeting the elder is the goal, vision/dream or not

thats like saying there's no point in aang in avatar going to the spirit world; because it "wasnt real"

[rustic heron]

Say umpteenth. It’s a funny word.

[frigid tinsel]

except the Spirit world in the Avatar universe is real, it's just on another plane of existence Aang and other people can attune to by astral projecting. heck, even in Legend of Korra, portals to the spirit world open up and people can physically walk into it and spirits can walk out.

[tulip aspen]

but the elders only get the blessing after the goldie beats the trials, and in this situation the prophets only get the blessing after we defeat the trials

it cant be the same blessings, because two separate groups were spawned, one back then, and one now; us defeating the trials simply has to create them, it's the only thing that makes sense

[tulip aspen]

the portals in korra were dumb

but either way, yes, the mindspace is another plane of reality, it's all the same concept

but because spirits elders and skykids are able to manipulate that plane, you dont like it and are calling it irrelevant and unreal

[rustic heron]

How do they know you beat them if we dream it? Why couldn’t they skip the process and just dream they’re at the end already?

Are they reading your mind as you dream the trial? Sounds like an invasion of privacy.

[late wasp]

anyways

[rigid mural]

you guys really need to play dnd for me to make sense but planes of existence

[sharp lichen]

I am becoming dreamphobic

[late wasp]

let me change topics from this big picture into the sophos picture

[rigid mural]

hey guys think about tracing paper

[rustic heron]

If spirits can read minds, then how could Forest Elder keep their fursuit a secret!?

[frigid tinsel]

Legend of Korra had to scramble with the story cos they thought they were gonna get cancelled cos bi beefy woman. damn network managers

you're the one calling alternate planes of reality complicated and dumb. this is why i don't want to have this convo with you cos you just insult

[tulip aspen]

....what

dream they're at the end
bru
you hear the word dream and yall are just like treating it as a buzzword, i dont actually always say what i mean cos im bad at communication lol, it's a plane of reality, it's the connection to the light, it's a frequency all beings tune into

[rigid mural]

world of sky could be multiple tracing papers on top of eachother, and one of these tracing papers has the spiritual stuff drawn on it

[sharp lichen]

There’s also this diagram (I have played DND)

[rigid mural]

yeah im just trying not to confuse the class with irrelevant outer planes

[tulip aspen]

i said complicated, i never said dumb fam

im sorry, i was aggressive in stating the difference between the two sifes, but i dont think it's dumb, and i never did

[sharp lichen]

Seriously this is some real AP Lore stuff

[tulip aspen]

LMAO

[rustic heron]

Why isn’t there another reality where I’m already at the end of the trial? And if there is, why did I choose the one where I had to climb up windy icebergs?

Sounds like a lot of mental gymnastics. Ice trials should have ice in fruity drinks on sandy warm beaches.

[harsh pecan]

What kind of dreamphobic?

[rigid mural]

im gonna make a drawing to explain my point

[tulip aspen]

....whoa..

[sharp lichen]

All of them (except I love you)

[harsh pecan]

Lol

[compact shale]

*shoves forest elder into the blackmail elevator

[tulip aspen]

because it had to be a challenge that they had to use a lot of mental strength to be able to overcome, otherwise they can't create the willpower needed to materialize the blessing

thats just the idea ive always had anyway

[frigid tinsel]

in high school i made a bunch of illustrations defining planes of existence and time travel (when I was messing with that concept before it broke my brain) and ig i'm gonna recreate it

[sharp lichen]

Would the Starlight Desert and Office also be separate planes that sometimes intersects with Sky?

[tulip aspen]

but yea rip korra lol

at least the story with the first avatar was fantastic, i wish they didn't kill off my boi from first season so quick

[sharp lichen]

Hello tebkanlo today we are engaging in some really easy concepts like alternate realities and planes of existence

[harsh pecan]

i think

[frigid tinsel]

Sums up this current discussion

[rustic heron]

It sounds arbitrary. Why willpower? How does that relate to blessings? Are all blessings made with willpower? If so, then why aren’t soldiers popping out blessings 24/7 instead of scholars? Surely fighting a war requires more willpower than reading some books.

[tulip aspen]

so yes, the vision they had is exactly what's up there on the ceiling now

they had to create trials that would be difficult and many people would fail, and the one who could defeat them would somehow be given great power to bestow to the kingdom

the prophecy does say that, and my idea is they created the trials in congruence with that vision they had

[rigid mural]

here

[rustic heron]

Wouldn’t it be easier to generate more willpower by having more Ancestors, instead of making a rigorous exam to weed out the weak?

And if this mental effort was so great, why is trials in Isle instead of Vault, the home of scholars who undergo rigorous mental practice?

[tulip aspen]

when i say willpower i mean mental enlightenment (yes prolly a botched american usage of a term i dont understand)

thats how i theorize the spirits in assembly and sanctuary created new bells, they willed them into existence, but they were only able to do so after we found where the old ones had been hidden; clearly they didn't have a clear conscience about those bells

[frigid tinsel]

Vela, I appreciate you so much

[compact shale]

conscience?

edit: isn't it flight not assembly?

[rigid mural]

office aint canon & starlight desert is very liminal

[tulip aspen]

who knows?
the chosen one was taken into the care of Isle, maybe the prophets and many and most of the Isle people were exiled/isolated in general

maybe the other elders didnt even know about this prophecy, and were only convinced the chosen one was sent by the light when the chosen one gave them the blessings to the realms

[rustic heron]

Why didn’t they just fix the old ones? Are there just broken mental bells everywhere? Sounds wasteful. Days of nature would like to have a word with all these Ancestors making mental waste.

[tulip aspen]

yea it does suck lol, we should go cancel sanct guide for not picking up the litter of his ancestors

[compact shale]

djsfsdgsagnsgshd

this is how you get headaches after you die

[tulip aspen]

in assembly we see the new additions to the treehouse materialize, glowing blue then becoming solid, similar to the blue glow of the bells in sanct

i think I've talked a lot with you about that blue glow in the past, asserting it as a rule for observing spirit memories, maybe you forgot tho it was a while ago

[rustic heron]

Isn’t that the point of this discussion? To find out why Ancestors are@littering Sky with portals to mind spaces with portals out of mind spaces to generate blessings use Ancestor willpower that change the fabric of reality?

And if they could do all that, why did a big Diamond on a tall mountain end them?

[tulip aspen]

what
what are you saying lmao

[compact shale]

oh lol

yeah that conversation

i have a hc that those are afterlife versions of real stuff that we help create but it's unsubstantiated rn ahdsdhngandg

[rustic heron]

You go into the mindspace. You do mindspace stuff. You portal out of the mindspace. You give your willpower to make a blessing. The blessing changes the environment.

You do this an absurd number of times. Seems like a lot of effort.

[tulip aspen]

i dont quite follow
as alasdair said this is more akin to projection into another plane, not teleporting

[harsh pecan]

yep

[tulip aspen]

this goes for you too lapis

i get you're mad, and you're right, i shouldnt have worded it like that, it was rude

[tranquil harbor]

What'd I miss?

[frigid tinsel]

lore scuffle, ascending to alternate planes of reality, the usual

[rustic heron]

You said the trials, a mindspace used to tax the mental willpower of certain select individuals, generate willpower to create blessings. You go into the mindspace somehow. You come out of the mindspace somehow.

You make a blessing with willpower. You change the fabric of reality with said blessing.

You realize darkstone tech is terrible when we can just run civilization with willpower-generated blessings that change reality.

[rigid mural]

oh god theres another thing dnd and sky got in common...

[harsh pecan]

probs a lot, i missed it too

[tulip aspen]

waddat?

[rigid mural]

gates ! in dnd they are activated with "keys" (a precise gesture, a word or an item) but they kinda work like the home portals after you got that down.

[rustic heron]

I’m not mad. I’m pointing out the whole you dug for yourself. You keep adding things you need to explain, and you don’t explain them.

I mean, I have questions.

[rigid mural]

oh wait you two really are fighting ?

[tulip aspen]

there was a lot of things ancient light magic could do, but it was too traditional and hard for the normal people to follow, so they transitioned to darkstone

even out of context of me replying to your message, is the above not true?

it's prolly true that not everyone could do it

[tranquil harbor]

They were? I thought their vitriol was playful

[harsh pecan]

oh they are?

[frigid tinsel]

I wanna cuddle a wooly manta

[tulip aspen]

wh
i explained them tho, ive been answering all your questions with ease

what hole did i dig?

[half shadow]

the answer to trials is that they’re magic case closed

[tranquil harbor]

Clearly something is being lost in translation. Also yeah Fruitzie that's spot on to what I thought was going on

[sharp lichen]

Sorry, but it is. After all, look at Yui Tanabe’s map. And there’s not much that changes to your theory: there could be 2 more planes that exist beyond the trials

[rustic heron]

No you haven’t. This is the first time I’ve heard about willpower-generated blessings that change reality.

Why would you even need darkstone at that point? Just make a blessing that can make other ancestors have more willpower.

[tulip aspen]

this is a basic summary of the concept

you seem to understand it better

what am i not explaining?

[tranquil harbor]

But is it possible to make that kind of blessing? There may be limits on what blessings can do, even if they seem fantastical already

[sharp lichen]

Listen this is enough Prophecy lore for one day

[tulip aspen]

if it was that easy and you could force everyone to be enlightened, then they all would have ascended before the darkstone era even started lolol

since that clearly didnt happen, it definitely isnt that easy

[tranquil harbor]

Somebody spam woolie manta this is getting scarry

[harsh pecan]

yes, and thank you

[rustic heron]

I don’t know. At this point we’re just saying whatever can work so long as it’s convenient to the current explanation.

When did trials make blessings? What stores willpower? How do you even collect willpower?

Are we just drawing arbitrary abstract shapes in the sand as the limits of what is possible? Who knows?

[tulip aspen]

yea, this one (according to my take) took 4 ancient prophets and a golden child doing acrobatics through 4 different kinds of hell, sure doesn't sound simple and easy to manipulate

[rustic heron]

Hell!? When did we start talking about hell? What is Sky hell? What happens when you go to Sky hell?

[frigid tinsel]

Pity room is sky hell

[harsh pecan]

doesnt willpower just come from the mind

[half shadow]

it’s like super hell

[tulip aspen]

well yes, that's how my type of thinking works, i ask questions, and i answer them

you've made a million comments about how you hate them, but the methods have gotten us this far

[compact shale]

and then the trials do brain surgery and extract your willpower /j

[tranquil harbor]

Lapis you look me in the eyes and tell me Trial of Fire isn't hell

[half shadow]

i have a confession. i do the trial of fire willingly and for fun

[rigid mural]

yui tanabe's map also shows the little prince area, i think it was more of a litteral map than the world like the ancestors saw it

[tulip aspen]

i was calling the trials hell lolol

[compact shale]

👉 👁️

[harsh pecan]

i mean- youre not wrong

[frigid tinsel]

I was getting frustrated but I ate chocolate and I feel better

[tulip aspen]

me too!
it became a lot easier to not die after i knew i could deepcall to see them, so that made it fun to navigate past them

[tranquil harbor]

Well Fish is certifiably insane. I can't do trial of fire without a friend. It made me rage quit.

[compact shale]

It's a map for US, not for the ancestors is what you're saying?

Mmmm mkay mkay

@frigid tinsel Alasdair is a prime example of how you're not you when you're hungry

GET A LIGHT SNICKERS!

[half shadow]

exploding them at the end is very fun

[white junco]

it took me an hour of pain to get through fire trial... how

[harsh pecan]

if you can memorise the map itll be a lot easier

[tranquil harbor]

Go eat at Granny's and maybe you'll calm down

[frigid tinsel]

I’m legit just learning the piggy/handholding glitches just to skip through fire trial cos it’s that bad

[rigid mural]

yeah, it's a map of the game (so it includes easter egg areas) but not of the world

[tranquil harbor]

If two sky kids hold a candle ON a trial candle the worms can't do more damage than we can heal. My friend Bee taught me witchcraft

[compact shale]

Ah, I get it now

so it's NOT a loremap

thank you :333333

[tulip aspen]

its an hour and 30 mins away.....

[harsh pecan]

nice, i just use glitches to avoid them

[rigid mural]

i mean, up to you to interpret it as a lore map, but in my opinion it is just a game map and nothing worth fussing over for lore

[tranquil harbor]

Man, I ain't a glitch kinda player

[compact shale]

true true hahahaha

but imagine if we get a Vault Season dedicated to teaching us how to make dimensions collide with Sky

[tulip aspen]

i cant think about granny without thinking about lilsushikims cursed granny

[frigid tinsel]

Pic isn’t loading for me and idk if that’s a good thing or not.
Oh no. It loaded. It’s cursed.

[tranquil harbor]

I think it's somewhat a lore map. The main areas are laid out in a certain way. Weather you believe season spaces are canon is another matter

[tulip aspen]

if you dont know who lilsushikim is its a good thing

run
hide
get far away

[frigid tinsel]

I see their art on the Sky subreddits. I know them

[compact shale]

they draw ||skykids with human caricature proportions||

[frigid tinsel]

I don’t mind Sky characters with faces but I can’t handle those faces

[tranquil harbor]

Hyper realistic faces scare me

[tulip aspen]

shes fantastic

her recent posts are uh

not very appropriate for most of you to see
||especially poor vela||

[harsh pecan]

i looked them up...oh god

[sharp lichen]

I guess, but one final thing: Starlight Desert says it’s a place where “dreamlike worlds collide.” This leads me to believe something like this happens (ignore my poor art) where the rules of both universes merge. This could even apply to office as a more extreme example

[rigid mural]

man are you still upset you cant make innapropriate jokes here ?

[tranquil harbor]

The lil sky kid orbs are cute tho. Look at their lil feets

[frigid tinsel]

perpendicular universes 👀

[tulip aspen]

no?
why would i be lol i ain't lapis /j

[rigid mural]

[tranquil harbor]

I'm an adult and I want to be able to discuss things in a natural manner (which isn't necessarily 'make bad jokes', but 'I hate having to sound weird because I need to watch my wording')

[compact shale]

maybe we'll get a Vault season explaining how to do this

"Step 1: create a ring of coffee beans around yourself Step 2: meditate and transcend beyond the universal planes Step 3: pick up the universal plane you want Step 4: something something uranium Step 5: profit"

[frigid tinsel]

Just gonna

[rigid mural]

litterally the only two times i got annoyed at these two was because they were joking about R-18 stuff on here

[fickle wing]

you ever wonder if theres like
other continents on whatever world sky is on along w other kingdoms or whatever like. The one we explore cant b the only one

[harsh pecan]

oh no

[tranquil harbor]

Stoooooop

[compact shale]

*blindfolds wooly manta

[tranquil harbor]

My explanation for Oreo and office cat is that they're animals from another kingdom who got affected by sky kingdom's magic they're easter eggs and not canon at all but still

[white junco]

do u ever wonder what's beneath the clouds? there's gotta be something there right?

[fickle wing]

YEAH

[tranquil harbor]

Sanctuary Island is beneath the clouds ain't it?

[harsh pecan]

water and land

[compact shale]

the netherworld

[fickle wing]

what if the world of sky was flat

[tranquil harbor]

Like, Sanctuary Island proves we're not actually forced to remain in the sky, there is a bottom to the planet and we/the ancestors have access to it

[white junco]

ancestors can have a little sea level, as a treat

[harsh pecan]

more proof 👍

[compact shale]

mmm myes brine soup delicious

[frigid tinsel]

maybe that's how they got their salt

[compact shale]

What salt

for the lightcorn? ✨🌽

[half shadow]

mmmmm lightcorn

[fickle wing]

like do we ever. See a globe of the world or

[formal skiff]

possible in that one place with the iss in the office? idk how canon that is and idr if it shows a curve?

[white junco]

assuming gravity is not operating the exact same way as our world but on a completely different system, the world of sky would have to be a sphere

[sharp lichen]

It’s called a crossover for a reason!

[compact shale]

Sky seems to have lower gravity than our Earth.

[harsh pecan]

maybe in the eden castle idk

[rigid mural]

what if it was round like ayin

[white junco]

VELA YOUR BRAIN

[tranquil harbor]

Maybe the Starlight desert is where points of the universe weakens?

[frigid tinsel]

that and/or Skykids are hollow thus have less mass thus lightweight thus not affected by gravity as much as irl humans are.

[white junco]

that's not how gravity works

[raw crypt]

we do see planets at the credits, potentially one of them being ours, but i think its funny if angered the abyss crew and then one of them said take them to the edge 😌

[compact shale]

Maybe

what universe theory does Sky go by?String theory? M theory?

[formal skiff]

lolll

[rigid mural]

HELP

[frigid tinsel]

Starlight Desert and/or the Vault may be weak liminal space where perpendicular universes are easier to access

[tranquil harbor]

Sky kids definitely have experience flying. Which sounds like 'no duh genius' but having that experience means they know how to move their body to get more or less resistance for wind and all that junk. I literally use this very practice in the trial of wind. They know how to angle to fall slower

[sharp lichen]

Ok, on the topic of planes: There’s the normal plane, the spirit plane, the upper levels of Vault, the Trial Plane, potentially Starlight Desert and Office are plane intersections.

Then there’s the Elder pocket dimensions which could be their own plane, and where the heck does Kizuna fit into all of this?

I’m going crazy

[compact shale]

Vault season on Universe Rifting please (geez I need to stop spamming)

[harsh pecan]

ye, if the sky world is a planet (and it most likely is) it would make sense for it to be round

[frigid tinsel]

don't get me started on string theory and quantum mechanics and metaphysical speculation, I'll need more chocolate.

[compact shale]

🍫 🍫

[tranquil harbor]

I'm too stupid for string theory, please do not

[sharp lichen]

Nevermind im not doing string theory at all

[harsh pecan]

same

[tranquil harbor]

The universe is made up of strings or something.

[frigid tinsel]

Kurzgesagt explains it... wellllllll: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da-2h2B4faU

[white junco]

how much chocolate exactly 👀

[harsh pecan]

really? imma go watch

[frigid tinsel]

all I have is one XL Hershey bar and one small size chocolate bar made from a local confectionery that's way better than Hershey but unfortunately more expensive. I'll need more than that

[harsh pecan]

i only have chocolate milk rn...

[frigid tinsel]

thing I like about Kurzgesagt is that they explain complex theories in a way that's more palpable. requires a lot of simplification but once you get the bases down, it's easier to wrap your head around the more complicated and out there stuff.

[compact shale]

AND! Optimistic nihilism!

[rigid mural]

my favorite is the Egg which is a short story but still something i headcanon is relevant to sky theory :]

[rustic heron]

Quantum mechanics isn’t that bad. The gist of it is that, at the quantum level, you use probabilities to measure things instead of any exact measurement.

[tulip aspen]

YES

[rustic heron]

String theory is a little more complicated. Effectively, there are 4 fundamental forces in the universe. Three of them play well together. The fourth doesn’t.

M theory connects all of them together, but at the cost of necessitating alternate dimensions and introducing the concept of 1-dimensional vibrations that are the fundamental building blocks of existence.

[tulip aspen]

its absolutely fantastic, i adore their content so much

[rustic heron]

Sciencephile the AI is also very good.

[tulip aspen]

technically, you learned how to angle to fall slower, but that leans into the player projection theory, which certainly isnt accepted by everyone

[formal skiff]

lol lorechat has become sciencechat

[tulip aspen]

o ill check em out :0

[dawn reef]

What's the Dreams logo representing?

[formal skiff]

player projection theory?

[sharp lichen]

Hello! represents the Coliseum that the Skater wants to go to, as well as these diamond shapes at the top: TGCBlueSparkles:, which is a complex symbol.

[frigid tinsel]

[dawn reef]

Ok

[sharp lichen]

If you want, I or someone else can go more in-depth with the diamond shapes

[dawn reef]

Oh ok

[formal skiff]

What is that?

[tulip aspen]

the idea that everything we do and learn as the player, is projected into what the skykid canonically experiences during their adventures

your friends in game, the way you connect to certain themes or not, how fast or slow you go, what you do to spend time on Sky after you're not a moth, i see it all as canon

[rustic heron]

This isn’t a theory. This is the point of video games.

You’ve just explained escapism in RPGs.

[formal skiff]

How does that work with the fact that I am sometimes rping as ocs while playing Sky? That means that there’s no such thing as just “my Sky kid” because I have many and they all have different personalities and backstories.

[rustic heron]

It means you’re playing an RPG.

[sharp lichen]

Here, do you know what this is? When you call on yourself, this appears, showing you the way. I believe that this shape is similar to the ones found in the dreams logo( ), so it could be implied as the Coliseum (and the chance to skate in front of everyone) being the Skater’s destination

[sharp lichen]

Sky already is an RPG.

[rustic heron]

Exactly. What’s the theory? You role play as a Skykid. Sky is an RPG. This is a fact.

[sharp lichen]

It’s strange, because Sky isn’t thought of as an MMORPG (or an RPG in general)

[fickle wing]

it’s not?

[frigid tinsel]

yea. Massive Multiplayer Online Role-Playing Game

[white junco]

some people simply cannot realize that there are MMORPGs that aren't WoW (not talking about anyone here, just in general)

[rigid mural]

sky isnt wow but it's

[white junco]

YEAH

[compact shale]

No matter what people think about how personality works in Sky, I refuse to believe that loreseekers are canon. We are too messed-up for this world. jfdsgnsd

[frigid tinsel]

cmon, the skykids gotta be curious about the history of the world they're saving

[rigid mural]

talk about yourself, i'd fit in like a glove

[compact shale]

HOW curious tho? (are skykids canonically stupid?)

[frigid tinsel]

one of my Sky OCs almost died and does die multiple times trying to get answers. they also yell at the Elders (they have a short fuse)

[compact shale]

HAAHAHAHA DONT TAKE ME SERIOUSLY IT'S JUST A HEADCANON

[sharp lichen]

Us: “Well, this is how String Theory works. Do you understand it?“
A poor moth: honk

[frigid tinsel]

children are very very curious about the world they're in. they're learning. that's what their brains do – figure stuff out. that's why they touch stuff, look and stare, experiment, ask questions. some are satisfied with the answers they get at face value but others are varying degrees of willing to find more in-depth explanations and uncover things no matter how complicated.
now whether they understand or even comprehend the answers they get is another thing.

[raw crypt]

My main sky oc group r loreseekers actually GJDDHDH
people are curious and like to learn about the workd, we have so many branches of study for a reason and i like to think some skykids would be interested in certain fields, just like different players enjoy certain aspects more (like one of mine is more interested in the ancestors arts, while another is more invested in exploration)

[compact shale]

Moth: Whewe does gween wight come fwom?
Scarecrow Farmer: We extract it from... um... fertilizer...
Moth: Whewe does fewtiwizew come fwom?
Scarecrow Farmer: UHHHHHHHHHHH

[compact shale]

Yeah I consider those when making Sky OCs dw

but I don't consider fanfics to be connected to anything I think when I try to canonchase

[gilded socket]

Is this a lore channel or a theoretical physics channel 🤨

[lofty void]

i read that as “string theocracy” help

[compact shale]

you'll see

[frigid tinsel]

sometimes Sky lore requires a theoretical theoretical physics degree.
edit: no that's not a typo

[compact shale]

Megabird is a string theocracy

They are made of strings, and they PROBABLY rule over everything

[tulip aspen]

yes but sky is such an intentional escapism, it deliberately is a platform for a primary purpose of expression, not just for yourself, but to communicate and be with others

the playstore says it itself; it's a social experiment, and it does that experiment very well

its not projecting some character into a world of NPCs, it's projection to other people, I've never seen it happen like this in any other kind of game, through words, actions, kindness, compassion

sure, we have our maplestory and our club penguin but Sky's expressions and all exist on it's own level in my opinion

[rigid mural]

megabird spaghetti

[lofty void]

this is a sign that my recent hyperfixation has only tightened its grip on me

[tulip aspen]

i mean, you're projecting how you want so ig that's up to you

[frigid tinsel]

ig it's a question of whether players see their skykids as an extension of themselves, an individual apart from themselves, a character they play, or a persona

[compact shale]

A social experiment, eh?

*cuts to a panel of TGC scientists watching us from above

mmm myes, very interesting... I wonder if Jenova is making a thesis of us or something... /hj

[tulip aspen]

WELL YOURE WRONG I SAID IT BEFORE ILL SAY IT AGAIN /j

[tranquil harbor]

While yes I did learn that, I mean it as 'it's a mechanic open to your sky kid to do'. We can safely assume our sky kids know how to fly, because they can fly

[tulip aspen]

deep breathing

[frigid tinsel]

skid: i know how to fly, but why do we fly?

[tulip aspen]

fr tho lmao like why- /j

[formal skiff]

TGC SCIENTISTS WATCHING US ALL LOL

TGC scientist watching lorechatters: oh dear, something seems to have gone wrong in the experiment. these subjects are losing their sanity. what has caused this? what do we do?

[compact shale]

BariBJam drank too much darkwater and had to be rushed to the hospital!

[tranquil harbor]

It's like playing as a human character in a video game. If flying isn't a mechanic open to them, we can assume they can not fly

[tulip aspen]

are skykids canonically stupid
i mean even with the play projection theory in mind some people have some really interesting ideas-

[lofty void]

TGC employees are looking at this chat and are making the “dissappointed parent” face

[compact shale]

Mega-facepalm

[tranquil harbor]

I mean, they're kids so they're probably as 'stupid' as kids. In that they just haven't learned stuff yet.

[frigid tinsel]

someone's grinning from ear to ear, entertained

[keen shore]

What a Mood

[formal skiff]

||it’s me||

[compact shale]

"I DON'T WATCH THAT OLD-FANGLED TELEVISION, I GOT ALL THE COMEDY I NEED HERE"

[lofty void]

Hold on yall I’m gonna make an image yall can use whenever Skybot decides to pop in and say “its not that deep bro” or anything else

[frigid tinsel]

i have 6 of those

[tranquil harbor]

It is that deep

[compact shale]

you found a nice deep hole to sleep in?

[tulip aspen]

o
yeah i know, a bit of miscommunication on my part

i replied with the player projection theory, because, well, no one knows how to properly fly as a moth, or at least fly well anyway

some will get it faster than others,
(what's canonically good instinct is actually just the player having played games before lol)
but in the end we all still 'learn' how to fly

[pastel brook]

A "moth" is a new player. They have brown wings, they flap around uncontrollably, and they are drawn to flame!

[keen shore]

I’m a little sad I missed the trials discussion because I love prophecy, but reading back everyone seems to be mildly frustrated over it. Is it okay if I bring them back up again or do we just need a break from that atm

[compact shale]

test us and see if one of us gets reduced into incinerations.

[tulip aspen]

you can, ill just be a lot less of a jerk this time

[harsh pecan]

Nice

[frigid tinsel]

you'll owe me chocolate

[keen shore]

Eat a banana and maybe you’ll calm down /j

[tranquil harbor]

I'm still scared

[tulip aspen]

i owe you chocolate al

[lofty void]

You’re not you when you’re angry! Have a Snickers!

[frigid tinsel]

i'm allergic to bananas

[compact shale]

eat your words salem

[tranquil harbor]

Go eat at Granny's tree house-

[tulip aspen]

OOO ALMOST TIME

[tulip aspen]

bru if only we could gift chocoloate in sky

how much candles would a milk hershey bar cost yall

this is an incredibly important lore question

[tranquil harbor]

I feel like I didn't explain 'I use this for the wind trial' well enough myself. Even when the cape is taken for our kids, the glide option still works. Which implies the kid still knows what to do, even if outright flight is a no

[compact shale]

Or it's "IF I FLAP MY ARMS CAN I FLY" energy in their brains

[tulip aspen]

i mean yeah, by the time we get to prophecy we should be a pretty decent player
(unless you bump into it or are led into it as a moth in which case im so sorry)

we should already know the feeling of flying/gliding very well, and we do!

[tranquil harbor]

I wonder if sky kids are canonically always good at flying and bumping into things really is just our fault as dumb humans

[tulip aspen]

who replied with 76 candles i will throw you to the leviathan

SALEMMMMMM

[tranquil harbor]

Either way, the cape itself does not impart 'magic flight knowledge' onto the child. They retain what they have learned without it

[gilded socket]

What you're saying is that the first time we enter Sky is not the first cycle of rebirth

[tranquil harbor]

It's possible, but I don't believe it. We get spoken to and handheld (not by players) the first run thru don't we?

[sharp lichen]

It also doesn’t make too much sense narratively

[tranquil harbor]

I think Journey implies it might not be the first time thru, but Sky doesn't give me that feeling

[gilded socket]

True

[thin fossil]

What are yall talking, lore people

[gilded socket]

Ok
Is it ok if I ask about summaries of some major theories regarding unconfirmed topics?

[tranquil harbor]

probably. I'm only like a day older than u here (unless you've been here longer)

[tulip aspen]

yep!

[tulip aspen]

prolly not nah

[tranquil harbor]

If it's the first run for our kid it's definitely not the first run period. So the eden statues imply

[tulip aspen]

what the trials are, planes of reality, feasibility, lilsushikim, and player projection

[tranquil harbor]

Tho lol, what if we were the first kid and everyone else just nyoomed so fast that they basically lapped us

[compact shale]

yeah

there are others that have been here before

at least 63

[frigid tinsel]

dp npot speak that name fsjdkfndsm

[compact shale]

tinyfishcakegeorge

[thin fossil]

My tiny brsin wouldnt understand

[lofty void]

mmm low quality but you get the point

[tulip aspen]

she's awesome

... okay fine i owe you two chocolates-

[tranquil harbor]

Sometimes low quality gets the point across better

[sharp lichen]

I’m going to spare you from the lore copypastas, so I’m copying most of Jam’s theories and editing them

Megabird creates the Sky world
The first ancestors, which are the four Prophets, fall to the world
Prophets have a vision that they must create trials for a chosen one.
elders and ancestors are sent to help ascend, and start to rule

a strange child falls to the world and is taken in by the Elders

child coronated as ruler
child reinvents and modernizes darkstone/power diamonds

The child, now the King, creates a gigantic power diamond at Eden
Eden diamond explodes

everybody dies
the skykids start falling to isle

Ok goodnight bye I am exhausted by lore

[compact shale]

wait, who said Megabird created the Sky WORLD? We've said that they created light creatures and stuff, but never heard of Them creating the WORLD as well

[tulip aspen]

i am wounded by the paraphrase

[tranquil harbor]

Are you implying there are more gods than sky bird?

[frigid tinsel]

dark god?

[tranquil harbor]

Then what created the world, if not sky bird /jk

[tulip aspen]

it simply existed

[compact shale]

just a piece of land. that ancestors built on top of. because capi-

[tranquil harbor]

The idea that a god has to create a world is heavily tied to religious ideology, which is interesting but still. It could have just been a rock and skybird isn't even a god at all, but a species of creature capable of creating other life. It has way stronger abilities than us, so it looks godly even if it's just a bird

[sharp lichen]

Hmm, to figure out that we need to figure out if Megabird should have more or less power

[frigid tinsel]

is Megabird a demiurge? lorechat may never know

[tulip aspen]

im not gonna @ you cos i dont like scaring people, but here's the actual list of topics, which is not thay much bigger than baudshaws paraphrase
_
_
we have
-skykid anatomy and purpose
---expressions
-----projection
---cosmetics
-light creature anatomy and purpose
-the light
-ancestor anatomy (debated)
-the prophecy
-the king
-the pilgrimage (ascension)
-civil war
-darkstone purpose and conditions
-power diamond creation
-corruption (plants)
-corrupted (krill and crab)
-abyss creatures
-vault illusion theories
-mindspace reality (meditation powers)

[anything im missing?]

[tranquil harbor]

Is Megabird just a dumb space bird: discuss

[sharp lichen]

Don’t forget planes!

[keen shore]

So my perception of the trials is that they’re entirely mental, but whether that means they’re illusions or alternate realities I’m not sure. So, what I’m going to do here is what I did for the conversation a while ago about what was causing the weirdness in vault: list all the evidence and my thoughts for each. Posting this in several parts bc character limit

[tranquil harbor]

Heck yeah, give us the deep dive

[harsh pecan]

maybe

[keen shore]

THEY’RE PROJECTIONS
Possible, but very unlikely, given we never see memory/image projection lanterns during the trials. Also, those lanterns may not have been invented yet at the time prophecy is set in - although, from a mural depicting vault, the prophets know what they look like, but maybe not their function/how they work.

Any attempts to bend the evidence in favor of the trials being projected from lanterns - for example, saying the lanterns are hidden inside the shrines we light - come off as a stretch at best. I think it’s safe to rule this one out. (1/?)

[rustic heron]

It was actually done before, in Journey, and better there too. You've said it yourself; Sky is muddled with cosmetic-chasing and candle grinding. That didn't exist in Journey.

[keen shore]

THEY’RE DREAMS
There’s a lot more evidence for this one, which I will list below, but personally I don’t believe in this one. Before I get into my counterarguments, let me explain why I considered this as a possibility in the first place.

It can be argued that the lessons learned in each trial prepare you for Eden [#lore-discussion-spoilers message]. This can also be applied to needing the lessons to travel through each realm [needing patience to avoid krill and forest’s cold rain, tenacity to… I’m not sure - complete the game in the first place? Balance to traverse valleys races and maybe the floaty platforms in vault, and courage for wasteland again. I personally don’t agree with this, but that’s a topic for another day. Working backwards from this and considering how dreams work, we can say that these trials pull from our memories of Eden and the realms to function. When our skykid is told to learn Patience, they remember the cold water and rain of Forest, for instance, and having to constantly pause and hide to not get krilled.

The issue I have with this is that it implies - considering dreams inherently pull from memories - that the trial was different for each person who went through them, being based off their different experiences rather than a solid, already constantly built realm. Barring how the trials are identical for each of us, considering we all have pretty similar experiences traversing sky, this can be proven false by one of the prophecy murals, which shows the king* undergoing identical versions of them, despite their vastly different experiences.

• yes, this is the king - this depiction is identical to depictions of the king in other prophecy murals, and doesn’t include our WL symbol.

RELEVANT MURALS SHOWN HERE SO I DONT FLOOD CHAT [*G5 for king completing trials, *G3 for alternate king reference [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-yA8OdJ2NzwNc8c15sQB3UALYn3psT3c6mWgIV64jFM]

[tulip aspen]

thats the reality thing

[sharp lichen]

Hmm.. the Prophecy Guide fits nowhere in the rest of Prophecy Lore, so that’s why I believe that they were the Chosen One

[compact shale]

Maybe they're dreams, but taken from the PROPHET'S minds

you mean the... DREAM side... :) :) :) :)

remember guys, licking doorknobs is illegal on other planets

[thin fossil]

In confusion bc i am dumb

[tulip aspen]

but i mentioned interaction, being together, belonging together

journey doesnt have that
journey is isolated

sky may feel more pointless at times, but having people you appreciate and care about makes the difference

isnt that like real life?
i could apply that to anything
having people i care about and enjoy talking to here in this chat means everything and changes it from theorizing about sans on amino to a genuine intellectual discussion about themes and characters and possibilities

we've made a community here, and you, salem, fruity, vela, alasdair, ectectect

its all been important to me; you've all been important to me

[compact shale]

Yes, we're one big corporate family! /hj

[tulip aspen]

yee i dont believe in the dreams thing either

[rustic heron]

Journey does have that. The game focuses on this experience of meeting strangers and working together without ever actually knowing who they are. That's literally the entire point of Journey, and why it was designed.

And Sky is not like real life. Sky forces me to cooperate with people; in real life, I can take care of things myself.

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[late wasp]

here i argue how that mural at the bottom represent the ancestors bringing the fallen lights into the clouds
where later they build the Trials and put the lights there.

[rustic heron]

That's delicious. Finally, some good theorizing.

[frigid tinsel]

credit: anzu

[tulip aspen]

you wont always be able to take care of things yourself, and isolating yourself and never making real connections isn't a good thing fam /:

cos that's the difference between sky and journey

i become actual friends with these actual people, and i did, and i have my own community, my skyfam

journey, it's all indifferent, it's tradition, it's heritage, cold bloodlines, following the path you were told to go on, to find your family

[late wasp]

i want a season of destroying crystal robots

[harsh pecan]

oooo

[compact shale]

you want to destroy crystal robots

or you want a season DEDICATED to crystal robots that destroy stuff?

[late wasp]

tbf I just honk as annoyingly as I can until someone else opens the door to the Forest Cave or the Telekinesis door in the Vault. LOL
I hold people under the threat of annoyance, never making a connection.

[pastel brook]

HONK

[tranquil harbor]

The bot is rebeling!

[keen shore]

The issue with this explanation is that those dreams would need to be recorded somehow. My above part on projections knocks memory lanterns out of contention for recording devices, meaning they have to be recorded some other method. Which brings me to my third & probably final idea,

ALTERNATE PLANES / MINDSPACES / “WEIRD REALITIES”
You may be asking - why did I put these together? The answer to that question is because it doesn’t really matter which one of these the evidence points to, since mindspaces and alternate planes are the two current explanations for how the “weird realities” are constructed, so in this case it doesn’t really matter which one is true.

Explanation: the trials are “weird realities” that exist in their own reality, similar to elder cutscenes, but much more complex and massive. They are tests of mental strength and aptitude towards processes like meditation [which may be connected with inner light considering we can use it to light boat darkstone, but that’s a topic for another post] since you have to be mentally powerful enough to replicate and sustain the environment of each trial in the “weird reality” each takes place in - there are no memory lanterns to help you. They are also, obviously, tests of each character trait they’re based around.

Evidence for this:

you have to meditate before entering the trials
you have no WL during them - may be a sign of how much mental strength it takes to keep the illusion active, maybe the WL is somehow helping you with that?
Process of elimination given lack of evidence and/or refuting evidence for other theories
prophecy cave visibly changes after each trial is completed - this may be you somehow meditating/using your inner light to do this similar to lighting darkstone boats, given that you meditate at the end of each trial
WL gained inside trials carries over to outside, same as vault, known weird reality

[harsh pecan]

nice

[keen shore]

I’m right here man 😔 /j

[compact shale]

you think our winged light may be helping power up the trials?

[tranquil harbor]

Okay but how much is 'sufficiently advanced tech' and how much is 'straight up magic'

[late wasp]

like i said, teleportation is part of the Sky World.
that and Portals. We meditate in Statues of Friendship to go to places.

Accepting Teleportation solves the most questions imo. Like how we go from the Bottom Vault to the Eden Vault. (halfway through we teleported)

[sharp lichen]

It’s so wonderful that I’m not on your list of community members, it shows I can still escape this madness

[keen shore]

But that question is already solved. We’re continually moving upwards through the elevator , the actual landscape of vault just gets projected / illusion-ed over

[late wasp]

the very top has a floor.
we must have teleported between the Wasteland bottom to the Eden top.

[harsh pecan]

hmmm

[tranquil harbor]

Okay but putting a seed in the ground and watering it to let it grow isn't technology. How much of Sky's 'magic' is a natural process like plant growing and how much is tech. Magitek vs Magiscience

[late wasp]

Oh right, forgot to mention Sky Kids also teleport to one another.

[tulip aspen]

whoever is here and interacting is a part of the community

there's no real solid members or anything, all of it matters, and anyone could have great ideas

[frigid tinsel]

one day we'll have our own server to just chill

[rustic heron]

Journey had meaning, purpose. It had a strong message that it told, of the cycle of death and rebirth, of the lack of finality. It showed the impermanence of life, of relationships, of the ever changing nature of the universe. You could live the same life countless times, and each time would be the same yet different.

Journey was impactful in its simplicity.

Sky is a bloated facsimile of Journey. An over-embellishment of a jewel. It panders to simple niceties, but in doing so loses its inherent meaning.

Put simple, Journey is meal, and Sky is candy. Candy tastes good, but its superficial. A meal will fill you, give you something to digest, something to nourish. Candy doesn't do that.

That's not to say each doesn't have its purpose. Candy is good every now and then as a pick-me-up, but you can't live off candy. You need something fundamental. sturdy, filling.

[tranquil harbor]

did the censor bot get you?

[harsh pecan]

itll probs die tho (unless its kp)

[tulip aspen]

when people inevitably bring up that, I have said that the elevator could smoothly fit into a hole in the floor on the top floor, but it's understandable that people don't have to believe that

[keen shore]

[crosses “wrote multiple page essay fully knowing it’ll probably get swallowed up by chat” off bingo card]

[frigid tinsel]

it was well written

[tranquil harbor]

It's a lovely essay Salem

[late wasp]

that is a good answer and alternative too
although a lighting artifact of the Sky game engine, looking up at the vault we can see what appears to be a hole

[rustic heron]

I'm sorry. I could never underestimate the impact of the mural master.

[harsh pecan]

youre good at writing essays

[keen shore]

I’m not trying to fish for compliments or anything, sorry if message came off like that, it’s just a little disheartening to type all that and then it just immediately gets swallowed but thanks very much to all

[frigid tinsel]

i'm just worn out about this topic

[tulip aspen]

journey told a real story

sky is literally defined in the playstore as a sandbox.
it hallowed out the body of Journey and it allowed us to fill in the blanks

the connections ive made here aren't simple niceties, they have been meaningful and a learning experience

you yourself are certainly no exception to my experience with sky

it is cheap, it never was good intentionally, but it has it's resources for people to connect and interact with each other

whether or not people use those connections doesn't erase that fact just because they say so

it was real to me, and if wasnt to you, that's your situation

but if it has potential, it has potential
someone not using that potential doesn't erase that potential from existing

[tulip aspen]

i know i still need to scroll back up for it im sorry

[compact shale]

i'm just worn out in general shgdgsngsg

[tulip aspen]

which kinda proves im right... right?

also i found that hole through rocket not the shine glitch ehe

[whole robin]

@tulip aspen you're still in here??

[tulip aspen]

my actual, hopefully not-misinterpreted take:

i prefer alternate realities like spirit world from avatar, but created in this case by the connection to the light, and being able to be altered and changed through will and light-connection by beings of light

the living and dead can interact much easier on this plane

the only reason i EVER said/say its an "illusion" is because i need to explain why sometimes we see odd things occur in the 'real' world after meditating

[late wasp]

it's just evidence to back your view.
I still believe in teleportation lol.

since my quest is for the Lore, I have no problem in pointing out evidence for theories I don't particularly believe in.
After all, we all just want the truth/Lore.

||Loreseekers Season when?||

[tulip aspen]

tsu dont judge me

[whole robin]

But i am

[tulip aspen]

dammit i cant delete your message go back to the skyfam server where i have power sad

[whole robin]

Did i kill the chat

[compact shale]

Nope! Chat is still chugging along!

[tulip aspen]

the idiot child here is the best example of this tbh

ive known them for, what, 14, 15 months now?
we've shared the worst of our experiences with each other and talked thru so much and just in general always stayed vibing

my first and most important sky friend tbh

[keen shore]

Important side observation is that the symbols shown in the last two pictures are separate, and a symbol identical to them is shown on one of the prairie docks as well as one of wasteland’s two shield variants. Which is to say, I’m not entirely sure if these are the same as the prophecy lights. [I believe personally that it refers to the Light in general as a simplified and in this context refers to bringing the elders light, maybe the little balls of light we can find around the realms and also present in the lightcatchers memory? similar to how we have to recharge them with our candles]

Sorry for derailing topic, just wanted to get this down before I forgot about it

[tulip aspen]

ill kill you so hush or I'll explain every line of an underground song to you again

[whole robin]

DID YOU JUST CALL ME IDIOT CHILD

also it's been such a long time aaaaa

[tulip aspen]

fetus

[neat valley]

Any ts hint 🤔

[harsh pecan]

wait you can say that stuff?

i dont think this is the place for ts hints sorry

[whole robin]

Actually pls do it's great

[tranquil harbor]

Where is the place for TS hints actually?

[tulip aspen]

i wish i had some way to visualize this better

ive tried to in the past and it's just eeeeehhhhhh

[harsh pecan]

gen chat or cozy idk

[keen shore]

I wish I had more to add to the friendship discussion, although to be honest the only Sky friends I’ve been able to make are the people in this chat, which I obviously treasure or I’d be gone by now In game I do almost everything by myself and have to rely on strangers in the same server to help me with opening doors and whatnot

[tulip aspen]

what-
oh being rude to them?
absolutely
(im joking dont cos someone would get mad)

[tranquil harbor]

I definitely play on my own a lot, but it lets me make more friends. I have a couple that I actually do talk to regularly, when we're online. And then there is my nap buddy, who I religiously send hearts to lol

[keen shore]

I think I get it. If we say light is connected to creation and darkness is connected to void/the absence of things [yes I am still trying to figure out the attributes of light and darkness as they relate here to help figure out how dark creatures would work] then it makes even MORE sense because you’d need a strong connection to the light to create alternate dimensions. You can even say that the elder cutscenes would be more complex/fleshed out if they had more light to work with because of this, or that the act of creation - like making art - is inherently connected to the light, which is really neat IMO

[tulip aspen]

exactly

lapis says they dont need people, but if there wasnt a community here, they wouldnt be talking

i know im not always the best person to talk to but im willing to admit when im wrong to say what i do (which ends up being often) and if i hadnt been your friend (or frenemy) lapis, then you would have said you felt uncomfortable when i snapped and then never came back

you do care lapis, we all do, to some extent

[compact shale]

Genchat

[rigid mural]

if you are tired of being solitary
wooly manta will be your company
(goodnight lore chat)

[frigid tinsel]

feel free to DM a friend link whenever <3

[late wasp]

it's also one of the symbols use for our instruments / pendants
it's the symbol for the fallen stars in the Intro
it's the head of the character in the Office mural
and finally, it's the light towards which the Dawn Elder directs people to, in the mural at the cave next to their temple

[keen shore]

Thank you very much and I hope you sleep well <3

[compact shale]

Oh! Wooly manta made a different sound than usual!

[tulip aspen]

^
same
its funny when people dm me the link, but i only use it like 2 hours later, and then they get surprised when they finally see me online like 4 days later

[harsh pecan]

Wooly manta is one of the cutest things I’ve ever seen

[tulip aspen]

that idea with ur wl helping is really cool, but technically it's not the case since a 3 winged player could jump into the trial and eventually win lolol

imagine if your lives was just the amount of wl you had and every death either took a wl or just stacked up invisibly until your deaths matched your wl count, then it just kicks you out of the trial like a mario game LMAO

[keen shore]

Oh god. And then at the end it still gives you a single WL as a consolation prize…

[tranquil harbor]

Pity WL

[tulip aspen]

god im now gonna have to head back and word my mindspace doc for the vault theories so that mindspace is a separate theory from it being a dream huh

it just seems so unnecessary because no one even believes in the dreams theory-

maybe ill just elaborate on the mindspace side again that its NOT A 'FAKE' DREAM, and it actually another plane of existence

hm

||id still do it like a month later cos i gotta do one thing at a time and i need to keep campaigning about light creatures being made of light and ancestors being clayshell ||

[tulip aspen]

bruuuuuu

that would be INFURIATING
(i still like the second idea; that if you have 63 wl and then die 63 times in a trial it makes you restart from the beginning)

[tranquil harbor]

Even if it is a dream, it can theoretically be a 'your mind makes it real' kind of dream. I'm pretty sure I've mentioned that it's possible to die from dreams/nightmares because it freaks out your brain

You get a big game over and get sent to the pity room. The elders are there and shake their heads in disappointment at u

[heavy comet]

it’s possible to actually die like that?…

[tranquil harbor]

Yes, nightmares can kill u irl. Something about stressing the brain or whatever.

[tulip aspen]

i tried to say that and people didnt like it

eventually i realized the mindspace was a better alternative anyway

[tranquil harbor]

Well I think it's interesting.

[tulip aspen]

heart attack ig?
you cant take the stress?
i mean sure, it's not SAO (ew) or the matrix or anything, but it's theoretically possible (as is anything lolol)

[verbal burrow]

I have returned to the power of lore

[tranquil harbor]

Welcome back

Seriously, look up the nightmare thing if you're not the kind of person who'd be too paranoid to sleep. It's neat

[heavy comet]

im never sleeping again 😁

[tulip aspen]

(for my own musings to myself)
yeah now it'd moreso be that the astral projection would just be too intense and you'd collapse under the pressure to will yourself within the other reality to stay alive
(in the ancestor's case, the skykid's will is stronger than the trial's power)

[tranquil harbor]

oops

[rustic heron]

I should probably explain myself. I don't really like friendship, or making friends. I tried it, but I always get overwhelmed with the amount of social interaction. It's not anxiousness, but general unease. I can't interact with anyone for more than a few days before I need to take a break from them.

Whenever I see games that espouse all the joys of friendship, I feel like it disregards mine, and likely others, own feelings toward it. I like being alone, of being with my own thoughts. Sometimes I go out and talk with people, but I don't want the responsibility of a committed friendship.

Part of what's nice about Sky is that I can customize my character and glitch where I want. Were it not for hearts, I wouldn't make friends with anyone. I like the notion of a world where others are just shadows passing through. I feel more comfort in that solitude.

That's kinda why I got a little irritated with Jam's whole thing. I feel like a lot of people really like the idea of having to care for people, and that being alone is somehow bad or indicative of being a bad person.

I just like being alone. That's all. I'd like if more games tried to support that notion.

[tranquil harbor]

It's not that being alone is bad, I definitely like to be alone too. However, among countless single player games, sky... isn't that kind of experience. It's supposed to be co-op multiplayer. Making lots of buddies is part of what sky is meant for, if that makes sense

[verbal burrow]

Agreed

[tulip aspen]

sky still represents that fam
its a sandbox
you make that choice, and that's real for you too

im sorry you feel that hurt, and i wish you luck with whatever you do in the future

i wish you could see this, but i truly am sad to not be able to interact with you anymore

i genuinely do love talking to you lapis, as annoyed as we both get at each other

have a good one

[rustic heron]

Seems a little exclusive to me. I don't want to make buddies, but I like having other people be around in the background while I do my thing.

[tranquil harbor]

Talking about sky without ever bringing to the table the thing about caring for others is like playing a war game and never bringing up guns. Like yeah, you can play alone, and you can probably use a knife or a grenade in a war game, but they are not like, the point of those games

[rustic heron]

I've done that too. It's fun in it's own way.

[verbal burrow]

Me personally I cant stand being alone ,sure I would love to have time to myself ,but I'm afraid of being alone with only nothing but the unknown ,not knowing when I'll be able to talk to another person again

[tranquil harbor]

I play sky alone all the time. I just also interact with others when the opportunity presents itself. Reveal your cosmetics stranger
I share my candle and leave a lot lol

[keen shore]

I kind of get what you mean, but from the standpoint of constant social anxiety making having friends harder for me. I do want them, and enjoy talking with others/having friends, but sometimes it just becomes so much effort and anxiety inducing to not only make but maintain friendships that I have to withdraw for a while. It’s really hard to explain to people who don’t already get what I mean

I have very few friends for that reason alone, so faced with someone who I’ve literally just met a minute ago online trying to friend me with candles is obviously anxiety inducing for me

[verbal burrow]

True play sky alone can be very calming

[late wasp]

||i understand what you are saying, i slightly feel the same, hence why i'm terrible responding to dms lol||

most of the time in Sky i pull a batman, talk for some seconds and then "i have to go" LOL

[rustic heron]

YES, Exactly this. I'll talk for about 5 minutes, get antsy, and then ghost.

[tranquil harbor]

I don't even talk to people. Reveal cosmetics, bow, flee. Or run at people honking like a mad woman and spamming the 'come come' emote until they follow me to the multi person door

[verbal burrow]

That is me 60 precent of the time 🤣, my friend said I be gone in like 2 minutes after joining them

[rustic heron]

The thing is that so many games try to push a concept of multiplayer on people so often, it's hard to find an experience that lets you be alone, but also has other people in the background.

[harsh pecan]

same

[late wasp]

i still haven't done assembly for this reason
that quest that need 2 people to meditate lmao

[tranquil harbor]

I like what the 'holding hands' aspect brings. Like, even irl, I'm not necessarily the most chatty person. I consider 'spending time' with someone as 'being near' them. The ability to hold hands and one of you just chills along on a candle run, is much less anxiety inducing

[verbal burrow]

I must agree lots of games Force the concept of playing with friends and family online more then one player

[tranquil harbor]

2 people. I'm stuck on the 3 people roof quest. and I hear there is one for 4 people

[rustic heron]

Would you believe I dislike physical contact too? Whenever anyone touches my hand or shoulder, I immediately feel uneasy.

[tranquil harbor]

I don't necessarily mean getting my cuddle on with people frequently, but like, sitting in the same room on different couches, but your sky kid being dragged along really bothers u?

[verbal burrow]

I would believe you because is just hard for some people to interact with other's

[rustic heron]

Yeah, a little. I don't like it too much.

[compact shale]

Hahaha can relate

Depending on the person, I either nudge their hand out or make angry noises at them

[tranquil harbor]

I... don't really understand how you can stand to play sky...

[verbal burrow]

Plus the world in this generation and my others have been a bit mean

[late wasp]

this has been a very fascinating conversation lol
i'm glad everyone opened up about it. because for example, irl i'm a social butterfly, but i still have digital anxiety idkwhy

sounds like anyone, regardless of what they are like irl can have the same issues online

[keen shore]

The issue for me isn’t that I don’t want friends, it’s that it takes me AGES to be able to call someone else a friend / hug them and all. Sky friends are really hard to make because the way the game works forces you to instant friend someone, sometimes just based off shallow stuff like their cosmetics because you literally don’t know anything about them, because otherwise you’ll never see them again

[late wasp]

very true

[compact shale]

Unlike irl, you don't feel the sensory sensation of being touched

[verbal burrow]

Oof I have internalized that I'm only live to severe others

[gilded socket]

Uhhhhhhh
Did I come at a wrong time?

[keen shore]

Also I have similar issues with the hand holding mechanic but more of “oh god what if I mess up while leading someone” so I panic whenever offered it lol

[late wasp]

half of a person is exactly what we need right now.

[verbal burrow]

Nah we're just talking about thoughts

[tranquil harbor]

No I get that, I have sensory issues and anxiety and all that, but being even a base level of friendly is such a large part of the game, how does one enjoy sky when that aspect is so pervasive and yet it makes your skin crawl

[rustic heron]

This so much. I have to spend a lot of time with someone before I can even be okay with them being around me. But after that, it's all good.

I usually can't be around anyone that long, however.

[verbal burrow]

Oof I sadly get too clingy to people very easily it's like a curse for me O-o

[late wasp]

me breaking lapis barriers to declare our friendship only to batman away 5 minutes later, but lapis will probably appreciate the space

[keen shore]

I make friends like cats do. I panic when presented with a new person and realize after a month or so of constant interaction and friendliness “OH!! WERE FRIENDS NOW”

[late wasp]

unironically i consider everyone i remember the name of in this channel to be my friends, i don't even know if people remember me LMAO

[frigid tinsel]

[rustic heron]

It feels nice talking about this. I was getting a little hung up on the notion of having to make friends, and how the game wasn't for me if I wasn't prepared to do that.

Does anyone else feel that way sometimes?

[keen shore]

The realization that I have made friends with someone usually happens when they refer to me as their friend and I tear up out of happiness because new friend!!

[verbal burrow]

I agree I feel a bit better knowing I can talk about stuff like this with a supportive community

[tranquil harbor]

I have the opposite problem I think. I toss myself at people because 'this is how u play' and then worry they find me annoying

[late wasp]

enough of friend talk
lets talk about making enemies

[tranquil harbor]

HalfOfAPerson my beloathed /jk (It's fun talkin' to them)

[keen shore]

New mechanic in sky! Beat The Crap Out of People

[verbal burrow]

Yeah I get that feeling aswel , it just not to good to hold all those feelings in

[rustic heron]

Time to manifest Skybot in-game, and fight them in the Eden rock-rain. First one to fall is banished forever.

[gilded socket]

*crabs

[harsh pecan]

Does that include skybot?

[verbal burrow]

Crab apples :p

[tranquil harbor]

What did sky bot do to y'all

[late wasp]

was created

[harsh pecan]

“Look fam, it’s not that deep”

[rustic heron]

They uttered forbidden words.

[keen shore]

One time I was trying to explore orbit for murals and skybot appeared behind me and punted me back to earth before I could finish.

[frigid tinsel]

some people think skybot manifests in game as that blue-caped flameless skykid who let's people into the Office during events

[tranquil harbor]

He's flameless?

[rustic heron]

Time to throw hands with Office Kid.

[frigid tinsel]

yup, that skid doesn't have a flame. no spot of light in their chest and they're wearing default clothes

[tranquil harbor]

Those are not default clothes

[keen shore]

It’s just a crab in there piloting a dead skykid shell

[rustic heron]

SKYBOT IS THE DEVIL.

[harsh pecan]

At least that one was actually helpful

[gilded socket]

Now this is intriguing lore

[verbal burrow]

Skybot evil prince

[tranquil harbor]

So that's why crabs attack us. They're parasites

@gilded socket it's not canon, you're just the person most memorable to me right now

[frigid tinsel]

darkness is parasitic

[late wasp]

what about the social pressure skid inside the office?
the one that pulls a "look at me I'm so cool, and you look bland, buy my cape IAP"

[keen shore]

Is this the reverse Megabird we were talking about earlier

[verbal burrow]

Good point it's a probably why the crabs attack when we are minding are own business

[gilded socket]

Ngl I kinda forgot the message was replying to you and I was referring to Skybot lore

Excuse me?
What was that?
I think I might need a list of blacklisted words

[rustic heron]

100% the reverse Megabird. Dark shell, no flame. Ominous presence. Omnipresence in being outside and within Office at the same time.

[tranquil harbor]

I meant crabs are like the ant fungus or the wasp that lays eggs in spiders. It's not a crab, it's something in the grab that can even parasitize sky kids

[late wasp]

Zhao does say "Infected Bones"

[verbal burrow]

Spiderman eggs(┛◉Д◉)┛彡┻━┻

[rustic heron]

Boneitis.

[harsh pecan]

They helped us get in there so we would think they’re a good person, and then they reveal their true colours

[tranquil harbor]

It's the spider and the fly but in sky

[verbal burrow]

Yep

[rustic heron]

The Sky-der an the sky.

[tranquil harbor]

I love the cape seller lol. "Hey, I thought that was an exclusive gift just for me! Oh well happiness should be shared! Bring your friends to me so I can sell them a thing" It's so dang funny

[late wasp]

9+ yos playing the game LOL

[tranquil harbor]

The way he says it, like Yesss, bring your friends to me like he's tapping his fingers together with an evil grin

[harsh pecan]

They’re good at selling stuff

[late wasp]

"Hey Timmy, if you don't have this cape you failed at life. $20"

[verbal burrow]

9 year ol do be like ,can I be friend. Krill

[tranquil harbor]

At least it's a nice cape. It's a nicer blue than the spirit one, and the black lining is such fashion

[static meteor]

i'm late to the Talks, but i often refuse to unlock chat with people bc of social anxiety but I love to befriend people and communicaate through emotes and such! I just get anxious when I'm asked to make conversation because I am a little awkward and I feel like they won't like me if they hear how I'm not naturally funny or entertaining and my humor isn't gen z enough

[tranquil harbor]

buying the cape from the office cape seller is like being recruited into mlm

[late wasp]

TIL: we are all anxious

[verbal burrow]

True ( me trying to save that money to get the office cape༎ຶ‿༎ຶ(

[keen shore]

Moth Level Marketing

[frigid tinsel]

why do yall think we're on Discord /j

[gilded socket]

what if i say i don't interact because i'm too busy being entranced by the world?

[keen shore]

Me when I see boat

[tranquil harbor]

The fact that I don't have to chat with people unless I choose to unlock it makes me less anxious tbh. The candle prices are nuts because am broke moth, but my consent matters

[frigid tinsel]

my OCs are more talkative than me

[tranquil harbor]

There isn't just some local chat they can spam at me

[frigid tinsel]

oh god imagine proximity chat in Sky

[whole robin]

Tho I'm not socially awkward at all, i do the same!
I used to wanna unlock chat with everyone but at some point i saw how nice it is just making acquaintances by spamming random emotes or playing a music sheet together or whatever
There is no need to actually talk to everyone, just spending a lil time w random people without talking can be really fun :D

[keen shore]

I would never open the game again if that became implemented

[tranquil harbor]

Proximity chat is actually super interesting, it'd be nice if it was an option

[verbal burrow]

Lol someone did make sky in Roblox but it fails to work

[gilded socket]

You mean Journey to the Sun?

[verbal burrow]

Yep

[tranquil harbor]

tbh I usually only unlock chat if I have concrete plans I wanna do where it'll be very helpful. I took out a boat to chat with my friend, but when we ended up doing an eden trip with two other friends, I unlocked chat with her for convenience

[pastel brook]

#lore-discussion-spoilers definitely needs some SNEEP SNORP

[gilded socket]

Sneep what

[verbal burrow]

Hello there BOT nice to meet ya 👋

[eager pagoda]

I played that game before I knew what Sky was so I was so confused why the two games were similar

[gilded socket]

Same
Except when I heard that it might have been based on Sky it got me curious about this game.

[verbal burrow]

Same

https://c.tenor.com/oEU6uvgIVIQAAAAM/sky-cotl-sky-children-of-the-light.gif

[tranquil harbor]

That's actually a really nice outfit

[gilded socket]

Anyways back to lore
Let's talk about Vault of Knowledge
And a curious question of mine is why is there a skeleton of a stingray in there?

[tranquil harbor]

Because some of their pets died? Vault of knowledge clearly has a graveyard and spiritual stuff. It also might be like a fossil at a museum. On display

[gilded socket]

I guess the vault is huge enough to fit stingrays in there
What knowledge do you think it has?

[gilded socket]

True
We see a bunch of monks in there
I like the meditating emote
But back on topic

[tranquil harbor]

I think it's just 'knowledge' in general. Like a giant library. It's meant to be for future generations

[gilded socket]

Almost certain the skykids don't really care about those
Or maybe they don't know words

[tranquil harbor]

I loved libraries as a kid. Just because they like to run around doesn't mean they don't enjoy the vault

[gilded socket]

True
But now that I think about it I'm 50% sure that skykids may be illiterate

[rustic heron]

I LOVE libraries. I used to go, read some books, and then rent monster movies to watch at home.

[whole robin]

Do you think spirits from different maps knew/know each other

[tranquil harbor]

skykid school circles. Older sky kids trying to teach the new moths how to read.