lore-discussion-spoilers

[half shadow]

• the smallest woo imaginable *

[white junco]

AW

[frigid tinsel]

Bless

[half shadow]

oh my god oh my god oh my g

[keen shore]

You can only tell what’s a dandelion and what’s a manta by the tiny little face and stubby tail sticking out from the ball of fluff

[white junco]

elder wooly manta with a bunch of baby wooly mantas on their back and they all woo at you

[rigid mural]

elder wooly manta to bless the chat <3

[keen shore]

A cloud and its baby cotton ball

[half shadow]

god i just want to sink my whole face into one

[rigid mural]

look at the yellow face... thats a regular wooly manta

[white junco]

BIG

[formal skiff]

This is the culmination of lorechat. It cannot possibly get any better than this.

[half shadow]

the Flight team can’t find Light Whisperer and are frantically looking all over but turns out theyve just been napping in the elder wooly manta fluff

[frigid tinsel]

napping in clouds napping in a giant wooly manta

[keen shore]

Do you think they all pile onto their favorite person for snuggles when it gets cold at night

[rigid mural]

if the elder wooly manta tries to snuggle you, i think you will be lost to the known world

[half shadow]

Flight Guide: hey LW? can you come help me with this real quick

Flight Whisperer slowly backing up into wooly manta fluff like that one gif of homer simpson in the hedge: (muffled) i’m busy

[white junco]

wooly manta kidnapping their ancestor friend when they look really tired/stressed

[formal skiff]

I accept my fate. Happily shall I descend into the floof.

[half shadow]

a glorious rebirth opportunity

[rigid mural]

i think the ancestors deserve wholesome fluffy mantas to gently snuggle them

[half shadow]

wasteland elder i am gently covering you in wooly mantas

[keen shore]

Reasons why skykids have hard outer shells resistant to crushing

Avoiding death by falling boulders and Eden shenanigans ❌
Ability to be snuggled by even the largest wooly manta ✅

[tulip aspen]

omgggg

[half shadow]

also while we’re all here, i’d like to posit with the disclaimer that i understand ancestors lack gender concepts that we do and are all equally neutral despite appearances which i think is wonderful and i wouldnt have it any other way;

lively navigator has tboy swag (trans boy)

[rigid mural]

whats a tboy

🏳️‍⚧️

[half shadow]

sorry it’s a new meme on tumblr to assign characters or things with tboy/tgirl swag and i’m obsessed with it

[rigid mural]

dont be sorry king, this is basically canon

[half shadow]

their hair is just so gender

[raw crypt]

i draw too slow, stinky manta

AND YES SO TRUE

[boreal nebula]

I repeat myself

Scrolling throught Lore chat to find Theories?
No, to find all juicy pictures of Wooly Manta

Or any doodle by Vela

[frigid tinsel]

I mean

[half shadow]

somebody get Vela on sound design at TGC i need mantas to woo ingame

[white junco]

I'm pretty sure they do woo!

[half shadow]

OH THATS RIGHT

[frigid tinsel]

In one of the Flight quests cutscenes, there a manta that sings a pleasant trill

[formal skiff]

🏳️‍⚧️

[rigid mural]

based

[raw crypt]

MROOOUW

[keen shore]

Imagine what a task it would be to shave or bathe the wooly elder manta… do you even attempt it or just give up

[frigid tinsel]

Yes that’s the one, listen to that guy trill

[half shadow]

SO BASED!!!

[keen shore]

it’s like when you wake up a cat and they go brrrrrrep?

[white junco]

ty lively navigator for the long hair option that doesn't get me insta misgendered 🙏 you're so cool

[boreal nebula]

Is a tomboy usually with an haircut as Grateful Shell Collector or Baffled (facepalming) Botanist?

[half shadow]

mantas purr and it makes their whole body vibrate

[fickle wing]

taking a nap in a pile of bb wooly mantas purring
equivalent of heaven

[white junco]

do the wooly mantas like scritches

[frigid tinsel]

Screws massages, Iay on a purring wooly manta to soothe back pain

[keen shore]

It would be so much better than massages because it solves emotional pain as well

[formal skiff]

OH MY MEGABIRD I HEARD THE WOO THIS IS MY FAVORITE DAY EVER

[boreal nebula]

Better than a vibro-chair

[half shadow]

when the big ones get summoned to prairie you can also hear woos!

[distant turtle]

Kreb: Children of the Sludge

[half shadow]

shortly before you’re catapulted screaming 500 feet into the air

[white junco]

wooly manta named Woo

[queen pike]

https://tenor.com/view/ufo-alien-abducted-night-scarry-gif-12528904 mantas be like

[frigid tinsel]

I’d let a wooly manta abduct me. Wouldn’t even be mad

[sharp lichen]

I’m barging into this pure space and ruining it with the worst wooly manta date you’ve ever seen

[white junco]

If a wooly manta decided I was a friend then I am a friend

[formal skiff]

Same. Zero regrets.

[sharp lichen]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/10zVEvL-Va324MiFgW04eBkiQx8cFKnvGijdXBsxw-Mg/edit please help me

[formal skiff]

W h y 😂

I simultaneously love and despise this
What have you done, Baud??

[sharp lichen]

This is only Part 1.

[queen pike]

[quick terrace]

this relates to the manta discussion from earlier but consider: ancestors using trail spells on racing mantas

[fickle wing]

oh my god manta races would b so so so colorful

[sharp lichen]

I’m planning on writing more bad fanfiction after this. How about something extremely cursed, e.g. Daleth x Ayin

[frigid tinsel]

Some people on tumblr ship that

[formal skiff]

Lively navigator secretly swapping out all the colors for pink, blue, and white lol-

[fickle wing]

ngl daleth n ayin is actually p neat
just 2 gay geezers

[white junco]

diversity win! these dead people r gay

[fickle wing]

i think old men(gender neutral) should kiss

[rigid mural]

old men could stand to kiss more imo

[formal skiff]

[credit to @/Slink-a-Dink#3025]

[fickle wing]

o hey that’s the thing slink made

[sharp lichen]

That’s it: I’m making a fanfiction where 2 old men kiss

[pastel brook]

the moderators are broken, but I'm here

[formal skiff]

Aren’t we all a little broken, skybot?

Glad to have you as company though lol

[keen shore]

No one who has posted in this chat more than 5 times is sane

[sharp lichen]

Ah, glad to know

[formal skiff]

Correct. If they were sane they would’ve been scared off by the chaos

[sharp lichen]

At least we’re better than Sky speedrunners!

No matter how insane we all are, at least we can all point and laugh at the speedrunners that play Sky! (Do not search from:Baudshaw#8452 speedrunner)

[frigid tinsel]

Didn’t you roast lorechat in #sky-memes last night

[sharp lichen]

Why wouldn’t I

[frigid tinsel]

Meme in question: #sky-memes message

[delicate anvil]

"the king is Hatsune miku" I'm????😭

[sharp lichen]

a moment to remember. It was said by Ash

[sharp lichen]

“We should do lore memes, so it’s not off topic!” is a phrase that I look fondly upon. It was said by a very wise person, who had a very unwise internet security

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[hushed steeple]

hi

anybody want to send qr?

[sharp lichen]

The opponent is confused! I play a Redirection Card in Attack Position: “Wrong channel! You should probably go to #introductions-archived”

[frigid tinsel]

I see you saw me defending the meme channel from your chicanery and decided to follow me here

[pastel brook]

Robots have feelings too!

[inland stump]

this just came to me randomly but why do skids close their eyes without the mask? is it to not blind others from ever-shining light in their eyes lmao

[frigid tinsel]

Yea that’s what I think too

[distant turtle]

My head canon is that they open them normally just as much as with a mask.

[raw crypt]

a little late but i figured the chat would like it

[compact shale]

:0000
Is that a smol birb inside the fluff I see?

[keen shore]

AWWWW TYSM FOR TH ART

[tulip aspen]

years of research yet no proper explanation
we have plenty of explanations: it's just that people don't like/prefer them

[keen shore]

Also there’s 30 different explanations for each topic and it’s nearly impossible to figure out which one is correct

[tulip aspen]

i mean, some have more evidence than the others so it's kiiinda possible

[keen shore]

That too, but also we only have a few pieces of evidence for each explanation so without more, there is MASSIVE room for misinterpretation

[tulip aspen]

mindspace and light dragon theories are great examples of valid theories with literal pages and pages of evidence tbh

absolutely no bias ofc

technically valley to eden iswas all one big city yep!

[frigid tinsel]

*was

[tulip aspen]

what do you mean?

[keen shore]

Talking about stuff like the explanation for our friendship constellation and the Eden crown matching up that we were talking about earlier. Our pieces of evidence are:

• friendship constellation looks like crown
  -Eden crown matches up, has picture of king on top

Aaand boom that’s it. It’s hard to tell 100% if the constellation is just for the king [since the other murals in the cutscene seem to focus more on the elders of each realm, and there are no spirits in eden] or for Eden in general. Does this mean we’re the king? Does it just mean that constellation is for Eden & orbit and skykids associate it with their friends? Who Knows

What makes that example even more frustrating is that both explanations lead to cool neat implications for lore. We just don’t know which is correct so we can’t do anything with them

[grizzled iron]

Sky is offline due to maintenance

[half shadow]

wait hang on whats Light Dragon theory

[keen shore]

And now there’s a third explanation as well! [though technically it is very similar to mine, that we are all shattered versions of the king, so probably a subsection of that] You can probably tell how this can get very frustrating very quickly, with a bunch of reasonable explanations for a single piece of evidence

[frigid tinsel]

off-topic but i've been thinking about this for way too long because it feels wrong but–
nah I've been in lorechat longer than Jam, what the heck

[rigid mural]

how do you look up your first ever message lol

[half shadow]

search your name and scroll ALLLL the way back

[frigid tinsel]

on desktop, search "from: [user] in: lore-discussion-spoilers" and select "Old."
on mobile you would have to scroll all the way back unless you also searched with "before: [date]" and guess

[tulip aspen]

oh well yeah lol, that kinda stuff is left blatently blank on purpose

however, stuff like the intro, anatomy (clayshell vs flesh), krill, ect shouldnt be as controversial and debated as they are, yet we'll still continue to never agree on them, when we DO have real propagated content for those topics

our lack of coordination and working together to come up with an answer is the (understandable) reason why it takes us so long to make progress and come to conclusions, because the diverse ideas introduce convolution in the theorizing process (which is okay and understandable)

its why we only started to finally agree on the clayshell theory for skids, because 2 months into my dive into lore i campaigned for it, otherwise we'd still not be so sure about even Skykid anatomy/powers and not just ancestors

[rigid mural]

oh, pain
i thought there was a special command

[past wing]

what if

what if there is a krill bigger than krill in ocean and we dont know yet

its already possible for a krill to be bigger, as we have seen with krill in ocean

[tulip aspen]

there is on pc ye

i think i remember u saying that lol

[tulip aspen]

im still a very young lorefolk, i just work way too hard on this stuff in return for no sleep

oh wait u appeared three days before i did lol

then again prolly took a week or two before i became acrive

[frigid tinsel]

so krill are corrupted light creatures, but we don't know what krill used to be pre-corruption. in game, krill are referred to as "dark dragons" so it's been thought that krill used to be "light dragons." whatever they were, dragons are not present in the Sky world anymore. they probably all went extinct or corrupted.

some (including but not limited to Jam) believe light dragons or pre-corrupted krill is the creature seen in the Switch trailer, especially because of that creature's spotlight eye and in storyboard art it used to have horns, reminiscent of krill's horns.

[keen shore]

The oldest message I could find from myself here was dec 28 and all it says is “OH I FORGOT ABOUT THE FARM”. What does that mean

[half shadow]

I mean, despite having most people here on board with one theory doesn’t mean that we’re STILL not so sure about Skykid anatomy. The goal of having a lore and theory discussion space in a server isn’t to necessarily work out the tiniest details of the universe.

Like, we’re not a team of scientists. Some things in this game aren’t really meant to be explained, while it is still fun to analyze them. Lots of this sort of thing is, as stated by devs, up to interpretation. Not that it isn’t fun to compare theories and present our evidence for what we think but I feel like sometimes people get super into it as, like, a debate to win

[tulip aspen]

there are other candidates too

its popular to suggest it's the whale (coelecanth)

[half shadow]

hell i drew up a potential evolutionary tree while knowing full well that there’s a likely chance we are never going to get anything in lore relating to what light creatures evolved from and how theyve branched off from eachother so i def know the joy in finding one thing to hyperfocus on but qualifying things as “we’ve already got this sorted out” sorta sounds like “we’ve decided this is truth” which i don’t really think any of us are able to do if that makes sense

[tulip aspen]

i definitely don't want to win against other people, i just want to win against the lore

i like thinking that this is a puzzle that's solvable, and the original story definitely isn't just up to interpretation, as vela and i and a hundred other people frustratedly acknowledge

i find it fun to try to solve what i can about this puzzle, but i could never do it alone, which is why i appreciate people like salem and the rest humoring me

im basically just roleplaying as a researcher in the end, i think it's fun

[frigid tinsel]

that's just one theory. I don't believe it myself but I am open to the possibility

[tulip aspen]

did you watch it just now?

love the cinematic so much

[frigid tinsel]

Nintendo Switch release trailer for the uninitated: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBQRCHusYyU

[tulip aspen]

all the silent loremoffs and curious people who supposedly ghost chat thank you

oye, just in case, please dont reference things the leviathan will be doing in the last season mission please, we dont want spoilers

[half shadow]

the real question is when will we get a leviathan role

[sharp lichen]

Whippersnappers!

[frigid tinsel]

every season is a DLC

[harsh pecan]

True

[half shadow]

Yeah lol, that’s what seasons are

[compact shale]

Locking you in an eternal stare
Observing your soul from a 360-degree view
You'll be savored extra-slowly
And no one is immune

(in others words, leviathan wth)

[frigid tinsel]

old

[harsh pecan]

Oh no we die slowly

[lofty void]

… Mem could be canon?

[harsh pecan]

New elders is something I’m interested in (mem)

[compact shale]

We can fight
Spirits talk
Skykids can actually commit property damage

[half shadow]

I think it’s safe to say that’s really not a plan. The trailer was a cinematic trailer, not indicative of ingame graphics. And Sky hasn’t been out for very long at all so there’s no reason why a revamp would be done

[frigid tinsel]

it'd be interesting if other civilizations in the Sky world had different Elders

[lofty void]

My au goes into that hehe

[keen shore]

Heavy agree. I desperately want to figure out what’s going on but struggle to convince myself (let alone other people) of some of my theories without falling victim to the reasonable doubt of “hey, what if it’s for THIS?” even though it doesn’t make as much sense

Notable offenders of this include my idea that the weapons in GW are anti krill measures and the Megabird is a massive light creature + other large light creatures are also conglomerates of souls

[half shadow]

the current formula of the game is clearly working as intended so logically i don’t know when they have plans to move on

[harsh pecan]

Ikr, it feels kinda lonely with only one kingdom

[keen shore]

I like to imagine there’s other civilizations outside the sky world and they just watch us with popcorn like “what the hell is going on over there”

[harsh pecan]

We can meet alive people

[compact shale]

Resh: Oh the children rain falling from the sky? That's normal don't worry about that
King of another kingdom: Resh what the actual honk

[half shadow]

no i hate fun ||jk jk lmao||

i’m just a jaded WoW player you really shouldn’t listen to me

[frigid tinsel]

Resh: maybe there'll be more light creatures we can turn in diamonds.
Prairie Elder: no, bad Resh, shoo

[keen shore]

WEATHER FORECAST FOR TODAY: child

[distant turtle]

Sky kids as shattered pieces of the King is a long standing idea from before most of us joined the discord.

[half shadow]

I think that idea is my favorite because it takes the meme of “the King was the friends we made along the way” literally

[keen shore]

I didn’t claim I created it, just that I believe in it! Should have specified

[half shadow]

The entire thing is a kingdom, the valley is just the closest to the castle

[distant turtle]

I subscribe too, and I’m nervous that the new friend constellation update might wipe out that mysterious crown that we take as a clue.

[keen shore]

Not necessarily! A region can have its own leaders without 100% being independent. There’s a word for this that’s like mayors but for a region and not necessarily a city, trying to remember it

[harsh pecan]

Rebuttal to the We Are King theory?

[distant turtle]

If the devs remove the crown constellation pic, then perhaps. I don’t have inside info, just nervous that will happen.

[keen shore]

PROCONSUL

THATS THE WORD I WAS LOOKIJG FOR I THINK

[half shadow]

Yes, the entire Kingdom is connected to Eden. Throughout the game you’re loosely going up and up closer to the mountain’s peak

[tulip aspen]

i mean at least the harpoon has been confirmed as an anti krill measure

[distant turtle]

My bad

[tulip aspen]

OKAY
so
captured Light
both creatures and Light essence (wisps/orbs)
it's used by ancestors for

1. spells
2. food
3. power diamond fuel

"skykids are their own walking nuclear sun generators, but ancestors likely can't deepcall or produce light for each other like skids can, so for magical defenses, powers, and utilities, ancestors likely had to largely rely on spells
(so yes in thats sense skids are [metaphorically] walking spells)(dont@melapis)
skykids make spells by collecting waxlight and reshaping it into a forged spell or potion, and i imagine ancestors did the same with the forms of light we see them collect:

birdlight, mantalight, butterflies, fireflies (what im calling the light used in the cinematic trailer spell), fallen light (lightseekers), and, depending on how canon the enchantment missions are, elemental lights, which seem to be conscious beings of light and roam on their own despite being just simple orbs

when i say manta and birdlight i refer to the lightcatcher memory and the green light: birds and mantas seem to 'shed' orbs of Light, and ancestors can collect these sheddings

in general, spells are only transmutations of forms of Light found throughout the world, made from anything from my list above, or from waxlight (RC and/or AC)
(waxlight may only exist / be important in modern day)

just like with the questions for the Absorb to Eat theories, one could ask: "could the ancestors extract the stored light inside power diamond batteries to be used for crafting spells?"

if the light inside power diamonds truly becomes corrupted, like a battery eating up it's acid and corroding on itself, then it probably isnt healthy/good to consume/transmute the light inside the diamonds"

.
.
this is all with the ancestor-clayshell theory in mind, as well as it's 'absorb to eat' sub-theory,
BUT if you want to excuse those two theorize, these notes are still extremely relevant for the creation of spells and diamonds

[distant turtle]

https://thatgamecompany.helpshift.com/a/sky-children-of-the-light/?p=all&s=patch-notes&f=patch-notes---february-24-2022---0-16-5-185312-ios-android-185258-switch&l=en

Spoilers for app update ||sanc will have underwater terrain! ||

[tulip aspen]

valley, wasteland and eden definitely were all separated by the darkness that falls from eden and sinks into wasteland, yeah

its crazy how wasteland is the most destroyed part of the massive city

id like to say debris and darkness fall from the mountain like streams and water from a spring, stagnating mostly within the basin of wasteland

in a way it's kinda a good thing wasteland (the foot of the mountain) is a basin, because otherwise the darkness would spread to other parts of the kingdom much much easier

[tulip aspen]

oo yay they added the new sanct stuff???
that's so soon, that's really awesome!!!!!!!

TGC WHAT

[rigid mural]

sorry im losing it over that

[tulip aspen]

YOOOOOOOO

wth why is this patch fantastic

[rigid mural]

"Adjustments to murals in the 2nd and 3rd seasonal quests."

[keen shore]

Additions to these notes!!!

• Ancestors almost definitely used spells, I’m just wondering the actual extent they used them to. They’re convenient and easy, they can do a lot, and every base game spirit (maybe every seasonal one as well) seems capable of creating them, so they may have been used a lot more than I originally expected? Could also explain why so few defense mechanisms survived in wasteland if they depended solely on spells, I mean all we have is a few weapons and a wall.

How Are Spells Created is an interesting topic. There is one explanation I can think of quickly off the top of my head, although it probably isn’t the right answer:

Saw a conversation a while ago about some (maybe all?) spirits possibly having minor elemental powers connected to one of the colored lights. The alchemist in enchantment pulling out the blue light to purify water was used as an example, as well as the fire in cannoneers emote and a few others that I can’t remember off the top of my head? Maybe spells are just light that the spirits infuse with that special power and store in darkstone to do things, and that’s why you can only get one [maybe two, don’t remember] spells from each spirit. Hypothetical list:

• prop placing spells require mind (purple light) probably same for flight trails
• anti gravity spell is either earth (because gravity) or air (if it uses air resistance)
• glow and fast recharge spells are fire (self explanatory)
• krill and crab repellant spells are void (covers you in darkness)
• resize spells would probably be earth if we’re made out of clay

Trying to think of examples for water hmmm

[spring oyster]

So are you saying that sky kids are an evolved form of the Knowledge lanterns? 🤔

[keen shore]

sighs
opens Google docs

[tulip aspen]

poor salem
damn ig im heading to abyss rn

[keen shore]

Wait did the patch already head out or do we have to wait a bit

[tulip aspen]

I'll find out in a sec lol

so uh
the servers are down

[keen shore]

Knew it. As soon as they return I am HEADING for those murals and nothing will get in my way

[rigid mural]

they'll return in about 3 hours

[tulip aspen]

patch is live tho, so update in the meantime, yall

[formal skiff]

I MUST KNOW THE MURAL UPDAAAAATES AND THEIR EFFECT ON LORE

BUT I’M GOING TO BE ASLEEP WHEN THIS CONVERSATION HAPPENS, I KNOW IT

[tulip aspen]

i hope this shows tgc just how much we adore just general upgrades to previous maps

[late wasp]

what happened?

[hushed steeple]

I have an eden theory
||yk how in reborn, you see black and white characters?
Well the black character is supposed to represent us skykids since with no mask we are actually black-
and white character is supposed to be some kind of wl.
What if the white person was full of light? Like beyond the normal wls outside, they went thru eden just like us but eventually died and got stuck in the reborn void because they were categorized in the wl section, wls get stuck in the same spot so the white person was stuck in the void, unlike the rest however, they could move freely.
Now as for us, the black person, we're kind of like a body, the white person is like a parasite, becoming a host of a body, but the thing is the black person is a darkness person, maybe like the the first few from the darkness? However, there's no life in them, so once these two connect, they can roam around, however the reason krills and crabs attack us are because they can sense some light in us so that's why. And when we go thru eden, our host dies and we meet this now other white person who will be our new host. The reason we also die is because like the both of us are completely merge so the white person dies and then eventually us because of no host. But if you lose wing power from the forest rain, you can revive them back, they will stay until the both of you are dead completely. Then it goes on and on, repeating and repeating.||

[tulip aspen]

new patch is live, sanctuary somehow is completely changed (no one spoil it if you know) and abyss got some nice little improvements

[late wasp]

[tulip aspen]

the white one is a parasite
and here i was thinking I've heard it all @_@

[hushed steeple]

lol it was in my mind for a bit XD

[rigid mural]

not completely changed, just the underwater part

[keen shore]

Wouldn’t the white inside be the parasite since it sits inside and influences your behavior??

[compact shale]

Sanctuary Rework

Woooowwwww

[late wasp]

on the Switch it is still offline for 3 more hours.
but i'm glad we were given something to munch until next quest

[keen shore]

What if the mural change was because they saw someone post here and were like “wow, I didn’t know someone could get it that wrong, we have to fix it to make the truth obvious”

[compact shale]

Hahajdudusbdhfhegeuwushdr

[late wasp]

if i was a tgc employee in love with the lore, i would probably create an alt account and join lore discussions.
it is very likely this is already happening.

[hushed steeple]

aww thanks XD

[half shadow]

It was also stated in the latest dev QA that they want to fill in underwater areas throughout sky but they can’t all do it at once

[keen shore]

The only spell I can possibly imagine as being related to water is the rainbow one, but that seems more mind than water. That somewhat makes sense though if you imagine water as just not being great for making spells out of - after all it isn’t really shown to manifest anything in game and is just used to purify water, instead of to control it

EDIT, can anyone remember what finishing trial of water does to the cave of prophecy?

[half shadow]

boat spell is in water

[tulip aspen]

oh wow
ngl I'd take scheduled maintenances a few times a month if it meant content upgrades like the sanctuary upgrade every time

[keen shore]

I did not forget about boats! Boat spell is probably mind jsut because it’s manifesting an illusion that is meant to tell you something, which is REALLY similar to old concepts of memory lanterns in vault so they probably work the same way. Just because it’s in water, doesn’t mean it’s made out of it - although it is possible

[late wasp]

OMG ICJUST SAW A SNEAKPEEK AND OMG

[lyric isle]

random but h

i’m uncomfortable. is this outright explicitly saying it

[keen shore]

OH NO

I mean, maybe it’s either just because they’re already using the term breath, or we can always default to their flame needing fire later

[tulip aspen]

it's just some genius community staff just saying whatever vol, i don't think any of us should care at all

[late wasp]

yui said breath too.
i rationalized that flames also need air to survive.

[tulip aspen]

i rationalize the devs wouldnt care to rationalize and just use whatever term they want

[keen shore]

Alternative but less likely Theory. All spells are made out of Mind [purple light] , and the reason tje spirits we see stick around and have to be relived to ascend is because of their connection to that element and memories in general

[tulip aspen]

OH RIGHT IM SO SORRY I DIDNT HAVE TO TIME TO RESPOND THEN THE PATCH NEW DISTRACTE ME

[formal skiff]

Honestly I’m voting for the “flames need air and we need our flame” route

[distant turtle]

(It’s just Prophecy but flooded)

[compact shale]

chEEEP CHEEP CHEEP CHEEP CHEEP CHEEP

even so

Ummm no, we skykids DO NOT know how to hold our breaths, we have bubbles coming out of us fhs

[lyric isle]

yeah I believe it’s for easier referral and nothing more

[late wasp]

this is probably the truth LMAO

[compact shale]

What if the devs haven't answered if we breathe or not because the question is just that stupid

[tulip aspen]

it definitely is lmao

[distant turtle]

looks up from sky kid respiration diagram

[compact shale]

WHERE

[tulip aspen]

one already did tho-

"light needs to shine even in the darkest of places"
it should be that simple
their flame shouldn't be kept underwater

[compact shale]

The message in question for the uninitiated

(OH MY GOODNESS I AM DRUNK WITH EMOTIONS)

[keen shore]

Forgotten ark is full of them, both on the ark itself and in the nearby caves, and treasure reef has some scattered around. As far as I can remember, though, there’s none in base game GW

[tulip aspen]

elemental lights being ingredients to all these spells is a really cool idea, that was a concept i had for a biosphere update with dozens of new light creatures that would spawn completely randomly and roam the map, and you'd be able to catch it and gain fragments of colored Light, and different colors of Light craft cheaper versions at ark of all of the spells

oops i didnt reply to it

but yeah salem I've always thought implied all general ancestor have spells/can affect light around them in a small extent to be used, like the ancestor in the cinematic trailer

[compact shale]

Yes

Let us take over the pot

Come on don't be afraid of us brewing spells

We will compensate if we destroy your ark again

[keen shore]

[dumping several lights into the cauldron] SOUP TIME

[lofty void]

Mmm light soup

[lyric isle]

crawls out of manhole
i heard forgotten ark

[compact shale]

Do you think we should be able to brew spells?

[lofty void]

hello vol, we’re having light soup 😋

[formal skiff]

mmm light soup with wooly manta in it

[compact shale]

NOOOOO

BREW THE LIGHT SOUP, BUT DONT INVOLVE THE WOOLY MANTA IN IT

[keen shore]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message I think this image should be inserted into this conversation.

[formal skiff]

DON’T WORRY I NEVER WANT TO EAT MY BELOVED BABY FLOOFS

[lofty void]

soop

[compact shale]

spoon

[lyric isle]

thinking of this one thing Ash said about Nod

………………….you think they cook like HowToBasic when they get bored

[keen shore]

That’s what the spells are. Cooking failures

[formal skiff]

LOL love Ash, they say the funniest things

[compact shale]

It's a miracle how Nod hasn't blown up the Ark yet

[lyric isle]

really amazing artist and then does that

[compact shale]

Nod: Hey Enchantment Guide, I made a new spell cookie! (spell cookies are those circles the ancestors hold when casting spells)

Enchantment Guide: *eats the spell cookie

Enchantment Guide: *disassembles the spell cookie into its component lights... in the form of puke

[keen shore]

What if they attempted to make soup in the cauldron once but didn’t realize there was still spell residue. It tasted weird, and then everyone realized what was wrong when they started glowing

[lyric isle]

actually Nod is apparently very good at cooking but uh
prob not always

[formal skiff]

I love this idea fghbjfd

[compact shale]

Nod: Look, I combined the bonfire and firework spells! *breaks the spell cookie
A bonfire appears, then explodes colorfully. Everyone within the radius looks burnt but also like Isabela at the end of the movie.

[keen shore]

Well, at least we’ve solved the mystery of how exactly all the enchantment spirits died

[compact shale]

Nod making the spirits go boom

[formal skiff]

This is not quite at the same level as wooly mantas but I love it so so much

[frigid tinsel]

I don’t remember the text but finishing the Water Trial brought water around the totem in the center of the cave.

[frigid tinsel]

Me writing the anatomy doc: I dislike this very much

[compact shale]

Resize + Bonfire = ????
Resize + Firewrorks = ????

[frigid tinsel]

1. a sun
2. a nebula

[compact shale]

Bonfire + boat = titanik

[formal skiff]

Rainbow + any cosmetics spell = rainbow cosmetics

[compact shale]

gay dye

[formal skiff]

1. You morph into a bonfire of any size
2. the fireworks might be a variety of sizes when you set them off

[rigid mural]

HELP

[keen shore]

Then maybe a channel with almost entirely queer members isn’t the right place for you

[frigid tinsel]

Ew, a homophobe, get out of here

[lofty void]

We’re all queer here, in lorechat

[rigid mural]

🤨 📸

[keen shore]

…not to mention the game where every single spirit is genderless/non-binary

[formal skiff]

Oops sorry, guess I’ll just go uhh
“Fix” my gender
And my sexuality

Yk
As one does
👍

[lofty void]

[frigid tinsel]

There are tons of Muslims who are not homophobic, so you can’t hide behind your religion for your bigotry

[compact shale]

I'm ace

XENDED

ARE YOU /SRS OR /J

[rigid mural]

HELP DAHJHSDJHJSDHJSD

[lofty void]

Cry abt it we’re all gay 😃

[formal skiff]

NOOOOO I’M GAAAAY WHAT EVER SHALL I DOOOOO /j

[keen shore]

This is almost the equivalent of coming to a pride parade and getting mad there are gay people there

[rigid mural]

crying, this gotta be a troll

[late wasp]

cool so it's a moderation problem.
bye

[lofty void]

[compact shale]

Lorechat turns into gaychat sometimes it is only ineveitable

<@&600489743716712458>

[frigid tinsel]

Lorechat rn

[rigid mural]

nah im straight up wheezing, this gotta be a troll

[formal skiff]

Yep. You’re surrounded. On all sides. There is no escape.

[late wasp]

we are not all gays, but there is no place for people that hate others for existing here.

[lofty void]

always has been

[keen shore]

Quick! If you catch them fast enough, we can turn them gay too!! [obvious /j]

[late wasp]

so leave. you won't be missed

[formal skiff]

Oh well, you’re in my company
Cry about it ig

[compact shale]

Mirian's here

[frigid tinsel]

You were fine with us before you found out we were queerfolk, so

[rigid mural]

babe, you're surrounded

[lofty void]

That’s homophobia nonetheless dude

[keen shore]

Hey quick question. Is anyone here besides xen actually straight and cis

[crimson grove]

Whether trolling or serious, we don't allow any kind of hateful discourse to be shared in our spaces. Mods will be reviewing and cleaning the conversation, thank you all for the ping

[thin dirge]

Darn, came to check on lore just now, surprised with what I saw. Thanks Mirian

[rigid mural]

hey mirian look

[crimson grove]

Maybe you mean this in the best way possible, but poking others for personal information like that can make them uncomfortable

[crimson grove]

Wooly manta!

[late wasp]

i think me and teb are from memory. could be wrong.
but we can say 80% of the vault of lore is queer ❤️
specially our most valuable and beautiful and loved members

[frigid tinsel]

Thinking about: #lore-discussion-spoilers message
and: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[sharp lichen]

I see that Lorechat has returned to its usual chaos.

[keen shore]

Im still struggling not to laugh. Out of ALL the places to enter and be homophobic in??

[lofty void]

JEHDHHAVAH lore chat is the queerest channel in this server, no hate belongs here ❤️

[thin dirge]

Sometimes, I feel like this chat is moderated less than the other chats. Not in a bad way, I mean

[late wasp]

I'm glad we can laugh at them. And that we were quick. This is a comfy space to everyone.

[frigid tinsel]

Don’t jinx it

[keen shore]

kicks earlier vela art of mantas being painted pride flag colors in valley races under bed Yeah, no gay people here /j

[exotic shuttle]

thanks for the wooly manta

[late wasp]

OH SNAP, VELA WOOLY MANTA IS GETTING RECOGNITION
inb4 it becomes canon

[formal skiff]

EXACTLY
Im laughing it off bc that’s what ya gotta do sometimes
But in all serious
I’m literally surrounded by queer people
I forget sometimes that there’s hate out there for us
It’s sad and disappointing to be reminded of that

[frigid tinsel]

We need a dev to see wooly manta to canonize it someday

[crimson grove]

Unfortunately, our world still has a long way to go in terms of understanding and acceptance- culture, religion, etc. plays a huge role on that. But that's never an excuse for hurtful actions.

Let's all move on to better topics now

[thin dirge]

Fluffy, like you can drift to sleep in it... Ppl would be more glad to be kidnappened by one if the mantas were that fluffy

[rigid mural]

HELP WYM MODS SEE ME CLOWNING WITH WOOLY MANTAS

[late wasp]

Thanks again, Mirian

[lofty void]

I wanna cuddle with a wooly manta they looks o fluffly

[formal skiff]

YES ME TOO

[keen shore]

Oh yeah 100%. I feel like mantas are a lot lighter than they look too

[thin dirge]

TGC should have wooly manta plushies too as merch, lmao

[frigid tinsel]

If I can’t sleep on a cloud, I want to sleep on a wooly manta

[rigid mural]

wooly mantas never run out of room for hugs !

[lofty void]

petition to make wooly mantas canon

[lyric isle]

you think manta literally feed off light

I finally caught up to Abyss quests; I’m assuming the bubbles are light bubbles because they recharge the air meter and that’s how they survived in those cages

[sharp lichen]

Already made

[thin dirge]

Wow, this is just like how Sky beta chat moved on from a little conflict one time by suddenly talking about bees in Sky

[lofty void]

NDNANABSB

[thin dirge]

The whole chat was talking about bees, it was crazy

[sharp lichen]

Bees aren’t real! (In Sky at least)

[keen shore]

I mean maybe? I think we got a statement earlier that mantas were formerly sea creatures, but they seem to mostly stuck in the shallows, so this would make sense

[raw crypt]

manifesting bees for days of nature

[sharp lichen]

YET

[keen shore]

Bees my beloved 💔

[lofty void]

i need to draw my skid cuddling with a wooly manta i love them sm

[lyric isle]

I think of the creatures as amphibious
would explain the whole of Sanctuary and krill underwater

[thin dirge]

Oh great, what have I done, now everyone's gonna talk about bees here 😂

[formal skiff]

YES I WANT TO SEE THAT
I’M GONNA DO IT TOO

[frigid tinsel]

Wooly mantas have the fur to be sufficient pollinators. They can work in tandem with bees

[sharp lichen]

There could either be light bees that build bright yellow honeycombs in Prairie, or dark bees that sting you in Forest

[lofty void]

bEE MANTas

[formal skiff]

Could you ping me when you post it if you do it?

[keen shore]

Wait imagine…bees using wooly manta fur as a makeshift hive, wherever it flies, the bees help pollinate

[thin dirge]

Wait a sec, didnt the Nintendo trailer have have lights that looks like fireflies? What if they're Light Bees?

[sharp lichen]

PLEASE enough talking about creatures that don’t exist in Sky yet||(/s)||

[frigid tinsel]

They may not exist in game but they exist in our hearts

[compact shale]

Mantas can't breathe underwater?

[keen shore]

I think they Can, but since they’d feed off light (maybe photosynthesis) they’d starve without it

[lyric isle]

yeah something like that

[compact shale]

OUchhhhh

I think another reason they fly straight to the sky when we free them is because just like trapped ancestors, they're long-due for ascension

[frigid tinsel]

Maybe they need to surface occasionally or stay in the shallows to have sufficient light to live.
(Running with the idea that they don’t breath oxygen, just need light).

[fickle wing]

yeah wooly mantas r cool n all but. Consider
wooly whales

[keen shore]

Starvation isn’t the right word, but you know those big dark blue spots the abyss mantas have on them? Maybe they slowly start fading away without that light

[lyric isle]

ok but the manta cages being powered by rocktahedrons power diamonds is kinda weird

it’s like building a pig pen out of bacon

unless those aren’t made out of pressed manta

[frigid tinsel]

Or perhaps they swim in groups cos their light maintains each other underwater in the dark, like how sight skykids can charge off each other or keep each other alive when dying in Eden

[keen shore]

WAIT ACCIDENRAL REALIZATION

• mantas fade into dark blue when lacking light
• memory/spirit mantas in vault (place with no light) are dark blue?!

[lyric isle]

WE MIGHT HAVE MADE A BREAKTHROUGH

[keen shore]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message enjoy

[white junco]

i like to think these weird lights that dance around you when you’re on a small jellyfish are light bugs

[sharp lichen]

Wait, when do mantas turn blue? I might have missed this

[keen shore]

So you know the idea that darkstone somehow works by sucking away light creatures’ light? What if the mantas’ light inadvertently trapped them there, constantly powering the darkstone keeping the mechanism shut

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[lyric isle]

shush skybot, overthinking is the fun of it

[compact shale]

shhh this message is 2 months outdated

[keen shore]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message I’m still not sure if it’s a visual glitch or not but worth investigating

[harsh pecan]

😭

[sharp lichen]

Finally! Cosmic mantas (and maybe jellyfish) are explained!)

[compact shale]

If I burn your afro suddenly it's not that deep anymroe

[sharp lichen]

Ratio+L+fatherless+unfunny+get good+ you fell off+ get krilled+ goodbye

[frigid tinsel]

Don’t you dare suggest defacing my ‘fro every again

[pastel brook]

what mods? There is only skybot

[keen shore]

Alasdairs best kept secret is that their Afro is not an actual light projection or hair, but a wooly manta on their head

[compact shale]

Aight aight

❌the✨fish🐟are🩸on⬅️their🧑‍🤝‍🧑 way🗺️to2️⃣eat🍴your☝️skin😭

[frigid tinsel]

Shhhhhhhh

[keen shore]

You can tell because sometimes it woo-s at you when you walk by

[frigid tinsel]

Nah fam that’s my honk

[sharp lichen]

WOOLY MANTA CALL WHEN

[lofty void]

wooly manta cuddle

[rigid mural]

AWWW

[keen shore]

I imagine that if you scratch their back, their tail goes up like a cat

[lofty void]

AWWW BDABBSBAJXNA

[compact shale]

Lorechat's mascot

We found it

[formal skiff]

YES

[keen shore]

Roughly an hour and a half until the murals are mine. I am ready

[lyric isle]

AWWWWWWWW

[keen shore]

hello moon! :-)

[formal skiff]

Hello!

[sharp lichen]

Hello, Lorechat has drastically changed over the past few days.

[formal skiff]

How so? /genq

[frigid tinsel]

We’re as wild, zany, and queer as ever

[sharp lichen]

But with wooly mantas!

[tulip aspen]

who's xen also hello i am the anomaly

[frigid tinsel]

Homophobe who got banned

[harsh pecan]

AWWW

[lofty void]

Some person who said some mean things, mods took care of it dw

[keen shore]

Some… things happened while you were gone, all their messages got deleted

[sharp lichen]

Yep, but it seems like I’m the minority here

[lyric isle]

I’m glad I didn’t see whatever happened - glad it’s sorted

[formal skiff]

A homophobe who accidentally stumbled into the wrong chat and thought they could just phobe away in peace. They were wrong. We gayed at them and pinged a mod who removed them.

[frigid tinsel]

You’re cool

[lofty void]

im genuinely proud of thsi lil doodle its so cute aaa,,,

[formal skiff]

AS YOU SHOULD BE FFGHGFD IT’S ADORABLE

[tulip aspen]

o xen was the interloper kk

[harsh pecan]

Me

[livid crypt]

please don't carry the conflict any further. it's enough to deal with it and move back to sky topics

[frigid tinsel]

You should be proud, it’s adorable and well made

[sharp lichen]

And old!

[hushed steeple]

So its been a bit and I've been able to reflect on what happened. And I feel that I over reacted. While a mental health break may have been needed, I feel I shouldn't have snapped like that, or gotten so upset or overdramatic. I don't want to cause a scene for attention, or seek praise or fame or anything. I only wish for acknowledgment. I feel that I wasn't being as open minded as I should have been and its all my fault. I am sincerely sorry about that, and I don't expect anything in return. I feel I should gather my thoughts in an organized slide show or document rather than in separate parts like before. I will improve myself to the best of my abilities and I will take all the blame for what happened.

[sharp lichen]

Don’t worry, Prophecy lore happens to the best of us!

[tulip aspen]

nah there's a few of us dw

true diversity time

[hushed steeple]

Ah, so the syndrome has a name.

[harsh pecan]

Oh cool

[formal skiff]

You’re not COMPLETELY outnumbered

[frigid tinsel]

Sky lore can drive you mad

[late wasp]

can will

[sharp lichen]

I think it’s already driven us mad!

[compact shale]

EXISTENTIAL CRISES
IS GOD GOOD
AM I ME
IS ANY OF THIS REAL

[lofty void]

sending everyone here love

[compact shale]

what is that

[frigid tinsel]

Thanking you, stealing saving this for later

[lofty void]

Concept art skid but i edited it so they’re holding a heart instead of a crab! I made this a while ago

[wanton robin]

I felt the chaotic love in my soul thank you

[compact shale]

Oooh, nice!

wooly manta is motivating me to learn yarn punching

[pastel brook]

Mods? WHERE?!

[frigid tinsel]

yarn punching?

[wanton robin]

do it do it do it

[lofty void]

oh my gosh,.. poof ball wooly manta

[frigid tinsel]

Wait, I know how to finger knit

[hushed steeple]

My Lore trips are currently halted at golden wasteland. Its probably reasonable as abyss itself already holds more detail than isle.

[harsh pecan]

Can you like- make a wooly manta?

[sharp lichen]

What_

[lofty void]

Filter…

[tulip aspen]

they do?
when has that happened?

[frigid tinsel]

Rip someone got beaned

[compact shale]

basically it's this thing

[frigid tinsel]

Woah, like with carpet making

[wanton robin]

Permission @lofty void to make a stuffie with the woolie manta?

[harsh pecan]

That reminds me of my homework…

[compact shale]

Carpet manta

@wanton robin Vela first drew it iirc

[lofty void]

Ask Vela, they’re the og creator of the floofy bois

[hushed steeple]

Actually vault mantas are probably artificial. The ghost manta we see when acquiring the dive ability might help prove this. Also the memory manta's lacking detail helps prove it as well.

[wanton robin]

Gtk gtk

[compact shale]

Who made Upgrade Manta?

[frigid tinsel]

Didn’t you coin the phrase “upgrade manta”?

[compact shale]

Maybe but

I mean

Who created upgrade manta's existence, if they're artifiicial?

[wanton robin]

Permission has been sought

[tulip aspen]

permission?

[wanton robin]

Permission muahahaha

[compact shale]

to render wooly manta in a soft 3-dimensional plushie form

[frigid tinsel]

I’ve written on this before

no one really sure what the manta is. some of us have been calling it the Upgrade Manta. some think it was sent by Megabird Themself.
I think it's an entity representing the collective mass of the creatures in Treasure Reef or the ocean/sea. when skykids meditate, they may be tuning into the world, so in turn the marine creatures – including the then-trapped mantas – respond in kind by giving the skykids the ability to dive.

[harsh pecan]

Is your skid’s cape made out of wool…?

[frigid tinsel]

Wait that’s the Little Prince, my boy

[compact shale]

I tried asking Ash about it and they said WAFO.

So I'm guessing the 5th quest will give us more clues

[rigid mural]

It's the star collector cape ! I was one fancy moth

[frigid tinsel]

What if upgrade manta(s) rescue us after whatever shenanigans occur in the fifth quest? Like it called to us for help so now it comes to help us, like a thank you for freeing the mantas in the cages
(Assuming this WAFO is answered this season and not a future season).

[compact shale]

extract wool from manta before dying with sludge.

[hushed steeple]

The upgrade manta? Im assuming you mean the dead manta ghost at the start of abyss. Or at least I presume its dead. Memory mantas and the one ghost manta are different things.

[compact shale]

Upgrade manta comes after we suffer kidney failure at the bottom of the abyss /j

[keen shore]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[frigid tinsel]

I mean there is a great leviathan down there now

[lofty void]

A shadow leviathan

[keen shore]

Do you think a conversation ever happened where the prince desperately and frustratedly tried to explain the concept of gender to a skykid

[compact shale]

which prince?

[lofty void]

the giant enemy leviathan

[frigid tinsel]

LP: are you a boy or a girl?
Skykid: what’s that?
LP:
Skykid: 🥺

[hushed steeple]

Ever notice the variety of boats/boat like transportation devices scattered all about sky. Some don't actually have dark stone in them. This makes me believe they might have been older models of some sort.

[keen shore]

BOAT TIMEEEE

[frigid tinsel]

I knew that’d summon Salem

[lofty void]

i’m not a boy
i’m not a girl

im a

very cool

[wanton robin]

Lmao he would too. He'd make a presentation describing gender and all the skykids would just think he was a connesiur (idk how to spell it) of hair, pants, and other clothes

[compact shale]

The original phrase is actually "software manta" or "software update manta"

[hushed steeple]

When I finally take photos of all fossils in sky, I think I might try to draw what they could have looked like.

[tulip aspen]

when skykids meditate, they may be tuning into the world
.....in a vision?

[hushed steeple]

.......Bruno?

[compact shale]

Greenscreen?

[lofty void]

WHHAHDHAHHAHAHAH I GOT BEANED FORGOT THAT WAS A FILtERED PHRASE

[frigid tinsel]

Censor is going ham tonight

[compact shale]

delicious pork

[lofty void]

We do not speak of that

[hushed steeple]

I want to see a season a with the sole purpose of expanding upon the species of sky.

[compact shale]

We do not speak of greenscreen nay nay nay

[lofty void]

GHHHHJHHHHHJSJJWJWJA

[keen shore]

All boats actually have darkstone, although it’s not immediately visible in most of them (it’s buried under the ground). Off the top of my head the boats I think you’re talking about are in isle and prairie mostly, right?

Those have one piece of darkstone on the top row and then a row of it on the bottom. It’s often hard to see because, like I said, the bits are often broken and buried under the ground. These are also the boats that take you to forgotten ark & treasure reef.

There are also “display boats” which you can find in the isle temple and a smaller model in the shipwright’s house, which are pure stone and don’t have crystals or slots for them because they’re just for show. Some lifeboats [like the ones on the forgotten ark] also don’t have slots for crystals, though this is not always the case.

There’s the later type of boats, like the ones on the village gondola, that are similar to the isle ones but have a lot more darkstone - their top row is filled as well as their bottom one. The disparity between this and the first type I listed is probably what you’re talking about, which I will explain in the next post

There’s these boats (#lore-discussion-spoilers message) which I don’t have tons of info on yet. There’s only a few of them in the world - 2 in the area right before Eden, 1 in forest, and 1 with the painted symbols removed next to the Ark. trying to figure out their function currently.

There’s the boats in wind paths which might also be what you’re talking about and those are completely flat and shallow, with no darkstone or even slots for it at all. These are made solely to be pulled by light creatures and to my knowledge are actually only in wind paths, suggesting the shipbuilder invented them.

[tulip aspen]

aside from torturing al, i genuinely love how relevant and true this statement has remained, two modern sky seasons later

i genuinely dont expect any new content to ever debunk or derail this statement, or the mindspace concept in general.

meditating isn't just a consistency, it's an absolute, a rule even

[sharp lichen]

This is a lot of lore! Hope you all find something out of it, but I need to go to sleep. A few hours of sleep a day keep the insane ramblings about “Sky is actually a futuristic society” and “the prophecy was never fulfilled” away!

[keen shore]

And lastly there are the massive boats. This is a general category as the size and function of each varies, but includes the shipwreck in GW, the ark, and the abyss boat. These have MASSIVE darkstone crystals and need oars floating on the side, probably attracted by the crystals, to function.

So how the crystals in the early boats might work:

There’s a conversation roughly here (#lore-discussion-spoilers message) speculating that ancestors had weak telepathic powers that allowed them to lift heavy objects like stone pots when they focused. This would be how worked. Darkstone probably helps amplify and focus that power, which is why it’s present in some masks, and that’s why it’s in the boats - to help them float. The idea is that those boats can just be powered by ancestors without help from … uh… light creature cruelty to work, but the gondola boats cannot

[hushed steeple]

No, I've seen boats with regular stone(like that of the rest of the body) instead of dark stone. I unfortunately don't have the images immediately available to me at the moment.

[keen shore]

I think I know what you’re talking about, if sky was up I’d get pictures. From what I remember you usually see those as lifeboats or half built ones

[frigid tinsel]

just because the means are the consistent doesn't indicate that the ends are.

[keen shore]

I’m kind of confused - what’s this particular mindspace debate about, specifically? Like what are the two sides

It seems like it’s slightly different than whether it exists or not but I can’t tell how

[tulip aspen]

no no it's about whether it exists or not

all i know is alasdair simply is disgruntled by the concept, ngl I've never known exactly why, i dont wanna bother him

[compact shale]

I heard they don't like the "all a dream" trope so that may be why

[tulip aspen]

thats some kind of lapis mojo im sorry but can you please dumb it down for the homeless child im not very good at this

we observe them and spirits using it to create experiences for the skykid, it is sometimes a vision and sometimes a dream within some kind of pocket dimension reality

[hushed steeple]

Actually, I'm not. I typically wouldn't say something so confidentially unless I felt I had strong enough evidence. As you can see the first two have no break between the eyes and main body. Where as the third one has dark stone, and the fourth has an empty slot.

[keen shore]

Oh! I actually didn’t investigate the underforest for boats yet just because I barely go there and had no idea they were even there, so I’ll check around there and get back to you. Also, the last boat was the one I was talking about that was often in isle and prairie - sometimes the rims around the hole are gone but it’s still most likely a darkstone slot

[rustic heron]

You rang? Also, this a more an explanation that just because the premises of an argument are true doesn't mean the conclusion is.

Similar arguments are correlation is not causation, which I'm sure you're familiar with.

[tulip aspen]

oh sure, but this isn't a coincidence, meditation is a solid and legitimate theme, that can't be ignored

it's real and intentional and if it wasn't there would be an in game contradiction

also hi

[rustic heron]

Meditation is a solid and legitimate mechanic. I don't really find it to be thematic in most senses, but I'm willing to hear your justification for why it's a theme.

[tulip aspen]

because it literally says the word meditate in many quests and areas?

[rustic heron]

Right. It's a mechanic. What is the theme?

[keen shore]

I’m going to ask because I have one brain cell and am not afraid of other people knowing

How can the premises of an argument but not the conclusion be true? I get correlation not being causation pretty well, but unless this is a different way to say that the evidence is correct but the conclusion isn’t I’m not really sure I understand, sorry

Edit: oh thank god I’m not the only one

[static meteor]

why are we arguing? it's a theme and a mechanic

[rustic heron]

Examples work great:

1. California is in America.
2. San Francisco is in California.
   Therefore, Francisco is in California.

[tulip aspen]

.....that makes no sense as an example

[keen shore]

Isn’t your conclusion just stating what the second point already says, though?

[rustic heron]

No. Who or what is Francisco? This is an argument, with very true premises. But it doesn't make sense because the conclusion is only tangentially related to the premises via wordplay.

Plenty of arguments can take this form, where the premises are true, but the conclusion doesn't follow through and is clearly false.

[hushed steeple]

I think this might be the most excitement and impatience I've ever felt for an update.

[keen shore]

Wait, are you saying Francisco is a separate person or entity, and if San Francisco is named after it has to be there too? Or something along those lines, I’m still not sure I get it

[rustic heron]

You're not supposed to get it. It intentionally doesn't make sense.

[tulip aspen]

dont you mean san francisco....

[rustic heron]

No, I mean Francisco. The conclusion has no relation to the premises outside of sounding similar. Francisco doesn't exist, and the argument is nonsensical.

But you can see how the premises are true, and the conclusion is clearly false.

[frigid tinsel]

it's more that i disagree with what the conclusion is, what meditating leads to. for Jam, meditating grants skykids and ancestors access to this mindspace, implying a sense of unreality or a created reality. to me, meditating allows us to access other planes of existence adjacent to the tangible plane we interact with everyday (or at least some place that's still real).

I also disagree what places could be a mindspace or not canon. for example, Homespace. because we can meditate to access Home (and rather what Home is), to Jam that's an indication that Home is part of the mindspace since meditation = entering the mindspace. some think Home is merely a gameplay mechanic rather than true in-universe. I think Home is real in-universe, but skykids in universe are not able to access it as easy as players can.

[keen shore]

So, considering the first two points you said is the evidence, it is just a different way to say the evidence is true but the conclusion isn’t?

[rustic heron]

You got it. You can make sure all your evidence is true, and draw an entirely false conclusion from them.

[keen shore]

Why didn’t you just say that then???

[hushed steeple]

Does this look somewhat like the portals from home space? To me it does.

[rustic heron]

The example was funny, and walking through to understand it has allowed you to come to the answer yourself.

[frigid tinsel]

hold on, my mom is amazed that I've been drinking apparently rotten milk

[rustic heron]

Give it a couple hours and you'll find another surprise.

[keen shore]

To be honest, I think I would have understood it better and faster without the example and if you’d just told me, but thank you very much for the clarification anyways

[compact shale]

rotten milk in your system + san francisco in lore chat = questioning your life choices

[frigid tinsel]

she says that since the expiration date is four days ago, it must be spoiled. but it doesn't smell spoiled. also I've been keeping it cold and drinking it with no ill effects.

[tulip aspen]

it correlates completely to the kingdom's religious themes of the game, as well as the skykid's themes of self discovery and ascension (metaphorically and physically)

they could have made this mechanic anything or anything, being generally inconsistent, yet it always is the same thing, following the same rules i listed, intentionally and respectfully, always meditation

[hushed steeple]

IM NOT PREPARED FOR THIS, SURE IM A ZOOLOGIST AN ARCHEOLOGIST AND WHATEVER ELSE BUT IM MOST CERTAINLY NOT A DOCTOR!!!! WHAT DO I DO WHERE DO I START WHATS THE PROCEDURE!!!! OK CLOSE YOUR EYES AND HOLD YOUR BREATH IM GONNA PERFORM UNAUTHORIZED SURGERY!!!!!

[rustic heron]

So the themes are religion, ascension, and self discovery.

[tulip aspen]

^
im not sure exactly what kind of discourse is happening but i find it fun and kinda interesting to talk about whatever this is so here we are lol

[tulip aspen]

that doesnt even-

[rustic heron]

Right. It doesn't make sense. That's the point. True premises don't always lead to a valid argument.

[lofty void]

HELLO LORE CHAT I AM BACK

[compact shale]

Welcome to questioning your life choices!

[lofty void]

[frigid tinsel]

right now we're doing logic puzzles, questioning my physical health, and debating what's real or not real.

[hushed steeple]

Everyone zip.
I want you all to show me each side of this argument.
Go one at a time, and if you interrupt someone then you're going to time out./j

[compact shale]

Don't forget San Francisco!

[frigid tinsel]

San Francisco is a logic puzzle

[rustic heron]

This is correct, but entirely unrelated to the previous point.

[compact shale]

For my next magic trick, I shall make San Francisco disappear!

[keen shore]

Correct me if I’m wrong here, sorry. But what I’m understanding from this is that - some parts of “mindspace” are alternate realities. Like in forgotten ark, the purple light would allow you to see into a shard of reality where the tents still exist and the water is purified and all, like a faded version of what the spirits experienced. And elder cutscenes would be wherever they’re trapped and so on?

• I’m guessing home would be a distant island of some sort that is technically real, but Is really hard to reach and some parts of it only exist in a different reality that we have to reach [portals maybe?]

[hushed steeple]

Doesn't San Francisco mean saint Francisco or something?

[tulip aspen]

thank you, i had been hoping youd explain it to them cos i wouldnt word it as well or as unbiasedly

what do you mean by 'adjacent to the tangible plane'? so like, teleporting to other dimensions or other places in the same dimension?

[rustic heron]

Saint Francis, yes.

[hushed steeple]

Saint Francis of Assisi?

What even is the puzzle?

[tulip aspen]

okay but the logic puzzle doesnt have a true premise OR a valid argument..

[rustic heron]

Is San Francisco no longer in California? Or has California suddenly disappeared from America? That'd be news to me.

I can see the fumes from your head, Jam.

[hushed steeple]

Yeah, I see. Kinda. Looked it up and its still in California so I kinda see the whole not valid argument thing or what ever it was. My ADHD might be at fault for forgetting.

[tulip aspen]

the fallacy you intended to show has no real premise because there's not a single person who would think of.... whatever that was

because it didnt have a proper example to show it's not a valid argument

[rustic heron]

You want me to give you a sound argument that my previous argument, intended to be invalid, is in fact invalid?

[hushed steeple]

I have nothing to share so I'm going to go for a bit. Byeeeeeee!

[keen shore]

Bye! See you probably as soon as the update comes out lol

[frigid tinsel]

the tangible plane is the plane we currently exist on, where we are able to interact with entities and objects within it without requiring any special actions or circumstances. we just can with ease. thus "tangible plane" is subjective to the inhabitants of that plane and those who don't exist within it.

"adjacent to the tangible plane" is sorta like alternative dimensions or parallel universes (although because I know too much math I prefer to term "perpendicular universes" but whatever no one uses it) where other realities are similar to our tangible plane or intersect with it. this means these planes of existence are close to each other and theoretically accessible to those on other planes of existence. in fact, some of these planes of existence may share a landscape and exist on top of each other, but may not be viewable or tangible to each other's inhabitants because they do not exist within it.

meditating "clears our mind" and let's us detach from our tangible plane in order to see and interact with other planes, but adjacent planes and parallel universes are closer and the most similar, thus the most accessible. depending on the location of that plane – whether it's on top of ours or merely close metaphysically – we may be moving from one plane to another (elder cutscenes) or seeing the other realities around us.

[rustic heron]

It could even be simpler. The reality in front of us has always been there, and meditating allowed us to perceive it by allows us to detach from our senses and preconceptions and perceive reality for what it is.

Thus, there is no mindspace; we just don't see all that there is.

[tulip aspen]

yeah i was gonna say alasdair and lapis had similar ideas lol

[half shadow]

sometimes people in here have like an hour long back and forth only to come to the realization that they’re saying the same thing and agree with eachother

[tulip aspen]

those are funny when they happen

[rustic heron]

I also disagree with the notion of tangential reality. Everything is there, but we just don't perceive it. Our minds are clouded by what we expect and desire to see, so that blocks what actually is there.

This ties into what I mentioned yesterday about bias.

[tulip aspen]

by what we expect and desire to see
that sounds a little
extremely complicated for skykids to impliedly have going on lol

and for the game in general
i wouldnt expect the lorebible to say "oh well you see the skykid expected something and thats what they saw because their mind wasnt open to the possibilities" so it's just my personal lag on trying to keep up with the idea

[rustic heron]

I'm not sure what's cocatlimepd about it. I'm sure you were able to read the previous sentence without issue despite one of the words being mostly jumbled.

[frigid tinsel]

Jam's mindspace are created realities – they did not exist before and they can cease to exist if the creators neglect it or will it away. also, because they are secluded to the mind, that seldom affect reality itself. hence why I dislike the mindspace theory – it's too close to the "it's all a dream" trope where whatever happens within the dream didn't matter. though things that transpire within these altered realities do affect the tangible plane. the Elders open their temple doors, the Cave of Prophecies transform as you complete the trials. therefore it seems unlikely these are mindspaces. although I'll concede that it's possible these mindspaces could affect the tangible plane, which says a lot about the capabilities of the creators or the weaknesses of the tangible plane.

I also think Home is a distant island. I can't explain the portals though.

[tulip aspen]

ohhh complicated

clearly i literally didnt lmao

[rustic heron]

That might have been a litle weird, but for the most part you don't tend to see evrey error in every word of a sentnece, right?

[tulip aspen]

i mean yeah, they dont affect reality, its not like we've seen them affect reality in game

[keen shore]

So, your perception is that everything we see in the “””mindspace””” is actually there, and some other things too, but we only perceive parts of what’s real? I’m not sure if believe that, especially with how elder cutscenes and Vault works

[tulip aspen]

in fact, we don't even move when meditating

the best example of this is vault when we encounter the vault elder, but when everything fades to black as we stand in front of them, we wake up next to the elevator we just got pushed off as thr crystal fell

6th floor is definitely a dream

[rustic heron]

Most of what you see is your brain projecting schemas on top of the visual information you see. This allows your brain to discard most of that information, and often times you might gloss over something that might otherwise have stood out.

Same thing here. It's likely always there, but if you're not expecting to see it there you won't see it.

[tulip aspen]

man if i were a tgc dev and i thought about "brain schemas" for the narrative and it made it in they better give me a bonus

[rustic heron]

SM64 has a diagram of a brain in the game files, and there's theories that one of the levels in the game (Wet Dry World) was designed after the structure of the brain.

[frigid tinsel]

yes, that's another way of seeing it. at face value, we trust our senses to give us an accurate view of the world around us, but they can be deceived or simply wrong, especially if what we detect or don't detect is different from what we expect – as with your cheeky spelling errors. illusions are a perfect example of this. also, your nose can adjust to smells to the point you no longer smell them or "get used to them." does that mean the smell ceases to exist? no, your brain just decided to ignore it.

the extra planes of existence sorta do fall into that line of thought. the tangible plane we exist upon are the most tangible to us, so we think that's all there is, ignoring or ignorant to any other aspects of reality that may not as obvious to our senses because we are primed on what is the most tangible to us. meditating allows us (skykids) to detach from from the most tangible in order to focus on what else there may be.

[white junco]

Since we are talking about planes (beloved) I think/hc that there's an especially malleable layer where all of the spirit memory sequences are stored. Maybe they're caused by strong emotion when the event occurred, or maybe it's an important memory to the individual, or maybe they thought about it when they died. Either way, the memory gets imprinted on that layer and that's why we see the memories, but they're all wavy and we can't interact with them

I have. a lot of thoughts about layered reality and different planes but they're a lot unorganized

[rigid mural]

I tend to think home isn't canon; most events taking place in here are more to fit in the human world (chrismas, eastern lunar new year, hourly bells) or gameplay mechanics (portals, TS) than anything else.
Though I'm playing checkers while everyone else is on 4D chess so I'm just going to lurk

[rustic heron]

No one knows how to play 4D chess, so you're point is about as valid as anyone else's.

[rigid mural]

Shadow plane from DnD ? I love this.

[frigid tinsel]

i've thought along those lines too before

been thinking of spirit memories as analogous to winged light – meaning that they're not the same, obviously, but serve a similar function.

if winged light are the imprints of children of light, the impressions skykids left on the world, then could spirit memories be the impressions those ancestors left on the world? in that way, the memories we relive are the spirits' most memorable moments in regards to their location, as the world remembers them? that would explain why some memories are seemingly not as memorable, such as walking, but the world finds it memorable in regards to that ancestor.

I also find it interesting that the spirit memories lead to the petrified spirit, especially when they start very far from their final location. this lends some credence that these are the impressions of the ancestors the Sky world has left of them. in a way, the Sky world is leading the skykids to the spirits by invoking the ancestors' memories. we are literally following the footprints of the ancestors to find and rescue them.
this explanation presumes the Sky world is more conscious and sentient than some think, but these could be passive imprints and recollections as well.

[keen shore]

I agree with you that portals are a bit weird, have been struggling with them for a bit. If they were just in home I’d be fine, but one’s in front of the cave of prophecies too somehow?? Trying to figure out how that works is a Struggle that I will probably outline later

Your idea about the “false” spaces being different realities overlaid on top of each other is a really neat idea, and I get the struggle about places we change being completely in our brains, because that would imply there’s one “real” version of cave of prophecies that is somewhere between the stages it went through for us, which is just, weird. Maybe we can combine them and say that they are different realities influencing each other, and some [that are completely nonsensical and empty, like upper vault and elder mindspaces] are realities built/constructed entirely from their mind? Like either the elders are just that powerful or it’s like a limbo between two others that works like that

Sorry if this doesn’t make a ton of sense, it’s a weird concept to phrase

[rustic heron]

It's even better when you realize that the petrified spirit must have been there all along, but only after meditating on the spirit memories do we end up actually seeing their body.

[tulip aspen]

ive always thought that portal wasnt canon

[keen shore]

The Game May Delay… but those murals cannot run from me forever

[rustic heron]

I think the issue is the bias that some people have when they consider what meditation is, and then try and use their preconceived notions of it to connect what it means in Sky.

For some, meditation is a spiritual experience, one where the mind is able to astrally project itself from the body and enter different realities/dimensions.

For other, meditation is a lot more tame; it's simple a way of controlling the mind and ceasing the constant thought stream that is our consciousness. Stilling the mind allows us to control our minds, and in improves our mental well being by removing anger, stress, and other negative mental states.

[rigid mural]

What if meditating was a way to get closer to the plane of memories spade talked about ?

[keen shore]

This would make a lot of sense when combined with my idea about it working like that for the elders. Maybe they just lived longer and had more memories so their “area” was more fleshed out or something?

[rustic heron]

That's the core of Jam's "mindspace" theory. They're a major proponent of this alternate plane called a "mindspace" one can enter when meditating, and there's a whole document going into the details.

I'd recommend it if you're invested in that side of the discussion.

[keen shore]

My only issue with this concept is that it can work for simple things like typos or small details. But I doubt it works that way for the structure of entire realms, or areas like the treehouse — they’re just too large. Would you just be accidentally glossing over almost every structure in vault, including the walls? It just doesn’t make a ton of sense

[rigid mural]

I like to think the plane of memories isn't separate, but superposed to the plane we usually fly in.

[tulip aspen]

yeah, i guess i just love the idea of astral projection into something far beyond the physical and into something where people can be more in control of reality than ever before

im a matrix and avatar spirit world kind of guy

an absolute sucker for games like Zelda LttP and LBW

[white junco]

yeah! i think they’re next to each other but in a dimension we can’t perceive, so from our pov they perfectly overlap

[frigid tinsel]

i've spent a lot of time musing about parallel worlds, alternative realities, and other planes of existence cos my original WIP deals with it rather often and I've mused about the possibility they may be real.

[tulip aspen]

wip? u mean your writings?

[tulip aspen]

ye, idk..

[frigid tinsel]

I have fanfiction WIPs and the original WIP I've been working on for over a decade now. of course there's been major revisions in that time so I don't have a lot of writing to show for it (also burnout kicked my butt). so I've mostly been worldbuilding

[rustic heron]

There's the other side as well, much in contrast to Salem's and Jam's preference, in that reality is more than what we can perceive, and meditation allows us to disassociate from what we expect to see, and instead allows us to perceive what is. The memories, then, are just imprints on reality.

There's likely some spectrum of ideas lying between these two extremes, and more that are outside of this linear spectrum as well.

None of them have a fancy and ominous name like "Mindspace Theory", though.

[tulip aspen]

im the best at coining things i swear

[keen shore]

“Writing wip I’ve been working on for over a decade and barely have anything to show for it because I’ve mostly been worldbuilding” WHAT A MOOD

[lofty void]

I’m back again

[rustic heron]

Shady's back, back again.

[frigid tinsel]

the weird thing is that most of my fanfics have been subsumed into the original WIP (especially the Minecraft fics) but the Skyfic refuses to. I think because it is so primed to the world of Sky so the details refuse to budge

[tulip aspen]

but is it the real slim jimjam

[keen shore]

And then you get a cool new worldbuilding idea and everything you did previously goes out the window

[frigid tinsel]

that's why I have 3 magic systems + 6 subsystems. also they all interact with each other, it's torture.

[rustic heron]

Would the real slim jam please standup?

[native shoal]

I have a terrible idea if anyone wants to hear it

Someone mentions Krill fried rice, and a moth, not understanding the concept of fried rice, goes “How did a krill fry rice?”

[frigid tinsel]

with rage

[keen shore]

That’s what they’re kidnapping skykids for… to fry rice with

[rigid mural]

Just thought about the Lightseekers again
The patch notes say they are seeking light (shocker), and we know from Piggyback Lightseeker featuring Refusing Voyager in their memory that they were alive around the time the trial prodigy crashed in the Isle.
We know from the switch trailer the stars litterally fell.
Were Lightseekers looking for fallen stars ?

[native shoal]

They just want a cooking companion

[rustic heron]

Imagine gathering hundreds of skykids, forcing them to stand for hours with their candles raised above their head heating a giant wok, as you fried rice with your innumerable limbs.

[keen shore]

This is probably what happened, but although you probably mean fallen lights like the ones we see in lightcatchers memory, im still imagining them running around like “HELLO? DID ANY CHILDREN FALL HERE”

I think there’s a mural of what might be them on the forgotten ark too, doing exactly that

[wanton robin]

if anyone wants to see the wooly manta stuffie pattern ideas I have one otherwise any constructive criticism is welcome. I can move to a dif channel but since the creation started here I'd thought I'd ask

[native shoal]

Would sky even have rice? We don’t see any farms

[rustic heron]

So, here's a weird point. Why are the stars back in the sky at Home Space?

[frigid tinsel]

there's an artist on tumblr who imagines the Lightseekers pursuing falling beams of light in order to collect them. they have a quip about the Valley Priestess spotting one and thinking it was just light and, nope, it's Samekh

[keen shore]

This mural is what I was talking about - they even have the hats

[wanton robin]

Im aware it says front and not top but I will die on this hill

[native shoal]

Makes sense since the old civilization has fallen but I don’t know how rice is grown, would they even have rice?

[keen shore]

“Oh, some more light, neat I needed that — WHERE DO ALL THESE CHILDREN KEEP COMING FROM”

[frigid tinsel]

rice is very easy to grow and an energy efficient food so perhaps

[rustic heron]

What's even stranger is that, upon exiting Eden, the stars are no longer fallen; they're up there as we ascend to orbit.

[compact shale]

Forecast: Children

[native shoal]

Cloudy with a chance of entire children falling from the sky

[keen shore]

If the sky over starlight desert is canon (might not be) then they’re there too. Maybe they returned in the time between the disaster and when we were gone, or the implication is supposed to be that skykids who came before us already restored those?

[frigid tinsel]

are the stars not present in the night sky when you first start the game? I can't remember

[keen shore]

Do you think that it took a while for ancestors to realize where the children were coming from, so for a while they just thought someone was pranking them by dropping them from a manta or something

[rigid mural]

aura-morgenstern ?

[native shoal]

Wait. What if all of the elders/whoever fell down just looked exactly like moths when they were kids?

[rustic heron]

Nope. They aren't there in the intro. Then again, the intro might take place during the early dawn, when the stars aren't visible anymore.

[keen shore]

It’s possible, but I get the feeling that isle elder just spawned with that beard and now they have to deal with it.

[native shoal]

Future Wasteland elder just honking in confusion when seeing sand for the first time

[frigid tinsel]

i think the Elders fell as they appear now. they don't seem to be the type to "grow up." also there's a statement from the dev that says that skykids won't grow up into ancestors nor Elders.

in my ficverse I imagine they experienced some changes as time went on due to the consequences of living, although these changes are not well understand (something something Valley Elder(s) angst fic).

[rigid mural]

A BABY

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[native shoal]

I wonder if skykids can grow up

[keen shore]

I do want to say that elders used to look like kids when they fell as well because it’s cute, but I’m not sure that’s true. Side note, if we say that they can’t and didnt grow and change, that means the king didn’t either and they’ve just stayed 3ft tall

[wanton robin]

I'm glad you like it! Any constructive criticism?

[native shoal]

If that’s the front why is the tail coming from the side? That’s all I got, otherwise I loved it

[wanton robin]

Yeah I wrote front instead of top lol

[frigid tinsel]

well the king might've been a proto-skykid, not an Elder. also possible their "growth" was manipulated or forced, not something that would've happened naturally overtime

[rigid mural]

I am a very bad teacher so I will just repeat the advice everyone gives you: continue drawing !

[keen shore]

It might be more efficient to make the tail separate and sew it in between the top and bottom so you don’t have to draw it twice (unless you want to stuff it)

[rustic heron]

A la Hollow Knight?

[compact shale]

Or artificial. Mechsuit theory is still a thing after all

[wanton robin]

That would be true! It'll be separate bcs of different fabric but otherwise these are just my takes on wooly manta until I can hash out an actual pattern

[frigid tinsel]

i'm not familiar with the anatomy of the vessels in Hollow Knight but I think you're referring to the Hollow Knight that was taken in by the King Wyrm. they looked small in a flashback but obviously got bigger whereas our player Knight never grew despite being possibly the same age, so that suggests at manipulated growth.

[wanton robin]

Lol but will do!

[rustic heron]

Yup. There's also the allusion by the Devs that there's a reason why the Prophets are so large. Perhaps one can nurture spirits into Elders through spiritual growth?

[keen shore]

I believe that prophets being tall part was a joke, after I asked how they managed to paint the cave murals

Although the idea that flight guide is really bad at learning how to be an elder and that’s why they’re so short is hilarious

[rustic heron]

They are unusually tall, though. Perhaps there's something to consider there.

[frigid tinsel]

this took effort

[keen shore]

I don’t remember them being unusually tall [except the guide and fire prophet] although it has been a while, so I could be wrong?

[keen shore]

I am filled with fear!

[rustic heron]

I don't think any of the other spirits are quite as tall as either Fire Prophet and the Guide. They are some big bois.

[frigid tinsel]

aren't the Enchantment crew and the Prophets the tallest spirits in game?

[compact shale]

All the better to cover a cave in murals with! Function over form, eh?

[keen shore]

I have a comparison of the guides’ heights but not the spirits themselves. Enchantment guide is normal people height

[rustic heron]

You know, I just realized that the models in the Vault All Elders OOB might not be to scale. They may have been shrunk to create the illusion of distance using warped perspective.

[keen shore]

Noooooooo I want vault elder to be 5’2”

[rustic heron]

There is another OOB in Vault with just Vault Elder. They're kneeling, but one can adjust for that in measurement.

[tulip aspen]

....are they wearing umbrella hats

[rustic heron]

I think they forgot to draw in the handles, because they're sticking out their arms as if there's something to hold, but there isn't anything there.

[tulip aspen]

but the brella is centered far to the left of where the arms are-

[native shoal]

Now that I think about it the trilling manta sounded almost exactly like my cat but a bit warped

[rustic heron]

They did use a cat's sounds to voice the Ghast, so it isn't outside the realm of possibility.

[keen shore]

Them stretching out their hands is probably to catch the lights, and… yes… those are umbrella hats

[tulip aspen]

yee, after using the power of the chosen one maybe

and yeah the king likely wasn't an actual elder deity

[rustic heron]

I dunno, having the power of flight makes you the most divine thing in Sky.

[native shoal]

I have a cool idea but it absolutely does not fit in the lore at all

[frigid tinsel]

shoot

[rustic heron]

But don't actually shoot anyone.

[native shoal]

And doesn’t make that much sense, sky kids being able to grow up by either not wearing any masks (the idea of removing a block on growth) or wearing a certain mask that lets them grow over time

[keen shore]

The elders look less like they’re made from clay and more like ancestors do. I have to wonder what they actually are, although I can’t think of anything beyond them being ancestors but more powerful, which I don’t know if is possible or not

[rustic heron]

Yes, light creatures are divine. They come directly from the Megabird. And Krill are corrupted light creatures.

[keen shore]

I mean, yeah, but if they were divine and the Sky kingdom was that obsessed with flight and divinity, wouldn’t they worship them instead of… yknow… killing them to charge batteries?

[rustic heron]

Megabird Atheism is canon. Damn, that sounds a lot more impressive and ominous than I intended.

[keen shore]

You could say that, but it might invalidate the blessing theory if none of the ancestors in power cared enough about flight to make that blessing. Choose wisely

[rustic heron]

It doesn't matter that the Ancestors wanted it, only that the King did, and they worshipped the King.

[frigid tinsel]

ancestors ended the world just so they could fly, to reach as close to the skies as possible. unfortunately, their hubris melted the glue off their wings and they crashed into the ground

[keen shore]

But why would the king not stop the manta shenanigans if they were against them?

[native shoal]

I also have the idea of sky kids growing like how bugs molt by breaking the previous surface layer of clay/stone/whatever, and that Eden would be a ‘Hey congrats you’re a solid 3 inches taller after taking off that layer’
Gotta admit I’m biased towards this one because reasons

[frigid tinsel]

i had that idea too, that skykids can only physically grow by rebirth

[native shoal]

But instead because of how Eden is you just go pay megabird a visit and don’t get to grow much

[keen shore]

And you thought human growing pains were bad? Imagine having to die if you want to be tall

[rustic heron]

Or toke up on potions.

[frigid tinsel]

to get as much ascended candles to afford those 3 resize potions, basically canon

[native shoal]

I imagine it would be a lot less painful in a not corrupted Eden

[keen shore]

Sometimes god laughs at you and the nasty tasting death potions don’t work or make it worse

[native shoal]

Man I got my resize potions from spirits and I’m now a bit below max height without having to do Eden

[keen shore]

I want to be tall but every time I take a resize potion I somehow become shorter. just like irl

[frigid tinsel]

thinking of my friend who got unlucky with a free resize potion they got and is now near minimum height. then there's me, who's near max height. us holding hands is too much for the game to handle without glitching one of us out.

[rustic heron]

Zeal probably. I believe the King had good intentions, and wanted to unite the light regardless of the cost. Making a giant flight blessing, and powering it with the most powerful light source in Sky, was probably a good alternative to using manta light, and was a good enough sacrifice for the goal of uniting all the Light again.

[native shoal]

My first resize potion put me just below moth height so I wore a big hair to look normal sized lol

[frigid tinsel]

sometimes i look back at my early photos and think damn i was short

[harsh pecan]

Oh so another case of good idea bad execution, nice

[keen shore]

I want to stay up until the update rolls out to hunt down the new murals, but I am also exhausted and need sleep hmppph

[hushed steeple]

The king was banished from the game for the crime of having more than one personality trait.

[frigid tinsel]

that's why i did tasks before the scheduled maintenance rather than wait after even though i had coursework due later that day. i knew i'd prob be too tired when it was done and sheesh i'm worn out

[rustic heron]

You know, thinking about it, imagine being this divine being who once was the cornerstone of uniting all the light in existence. Suddenly, the Elders who governed with you suddenly fall to pieces and separate, and you're left all alone clinging to the shreds of the grand light you once shepherded.

You look upon creation once again, and fear and shame fills you as you watch the very essence of the Light being tarnished and abused, used for foul technologies. You decide to go to the ancestors, to be born among them and lead them, and to unite the Elders whom followed you so long ago.

But your efforts fail. They worship you, and you grow more and more desperate to unite them all again. Before you know it, you're doing exactly what horrified you so long ago, all a means to an end.

I mean, it'll all be worth it once the Light is united again, right?

[native shoal]

Damn that’s tragic

[rustic heron]

Caffeine and Energy drinks work wonders.

[keen shore]

Caffeine makes me more tired. I don’t know how it does it

[frigid tinsel]

i drink neither so.
also i'm worn out cos my body decided to rebell

[tulip aspen]

but we dont know the chosen/king was a skykid

[keen shore]

It’s out… but do I have the energy to look at it. The answer it No

[tulip aspen]

nah not really but HAH WE'VE GOT IT WE GOT IT EVERYBODY CAUGHT IN 4K

[keen shore]

“Megabird atheism is [….] I” - lapis

[rustic heron]

Jeez, that's one hell of a manipulated quote.

[tulip aspen]

THE ENDS AND THE MEANS OR WHATEVER AHAHHAHAA

[keen shore]

“Jeez, that’s one hell of a […] quote” - Lapis who has just been caught

[frigid tinsel]

we got it in text, lads

[tulip aspen]

whos asked before we need to tag them this is a historic moment

[frigid tinsel]

oh servers are back online

[rustic heron]

Oh would you look at that! Time to play Sky now. Looks like you'll just have to drop whatever it is you're discussing right now.

[tulip aspen]

if the kingdom's success led to the grand outcome of the eden diamond creating that beam to send them all home, then they prolly thought the ends justified

[keen shore]

“[…] You look […] like […] you’re […] right” - Lapis admitting defeat

[frigid tinsel]

ugh i gotta update the app

[tulip aspen]

time to get my extended sky family (300+) to all post boats at the exact same time in game saying "lapis said it" so that everyone in Sky knows the truth

[tulip aspen]

i toooolld you guys to do it eaaarrlierrr

[compact shale]

300?!??!!!?????

[frigid tinsel]

no the ice rink at Homespace is gone

[rustic heron]

Well darn. Looks like you guys win. Now that everyone knows my stance, no need to ask ever again, right? Heck, I lost. Shoot. You guys win.

[tulip aspen]

i take back everything good i said about tgc today and will now go back to endlessly criticizing them

[compact shale]

Wait huh what huh eh eh aergh wha?

[frigid tinsel]

since when did Jam say anything positive about TGC?

[keen shore]

“[…] Looks like […] now […] everyone […] shoot you” - Lapis THREATENING VIOLENCE after being caught

[tulip aspen]

i spit out my chilidog

[lofty void]

AHHSHAHGSHJA WHAT DID I JUST WALK IN ON

[frigid tinsel]

Lapis conceded to Megabird athiesm

[compact shale]

Since the time when pigs could fly

[rustic heron]

That seems to be the consensus. Works in my favor without actually letting anyone know, so I'm okay with it.

[frigid tinsel]

no context lorechat

[tulip aspen]

i do have a habit huh

[keen shore]

“That seems to be […] okay” - Lapis telling the hit men they’ve hired on us that they did a good job, but when they don’t know… is that I’m still alive

[frigid tinsel]

your status has been "make it make sense TGC" for weeks

[tulip aspen]

WELL THEY SHOULD

[compact shale]

WEEKS?!

[rustic heron]

That implies everyone else is dead. RIP Jam and mindspace theory good riddance~.

[keen shore]

I can’t believe they’re dead :(

[rustic heron]

Would anyone like to say a few words for the entirety of lorechat?

[keen shore]

“Everyone […] is dead. […] Good riddance”

[frigid tinsel]

my DMs with Jam is high on my list so every time I check a DM, I see his status, I can confirm it's been that that for weeks

[harsh pecan]

Dang

[half shadow]

DID THEY MAKE THE LEVIATHAN BIGGER?

[tulip aspen]

bru lucky i get assaulted regularly by people im not even in servers with anymore

never expect me to dm you because i will never find you i would have to scroll down forwver

[rustic heron]

It's like I can still here Jam, ranting endlessly about alternative mental planes. So sad.

[keen shore]

I don’t THINK they did

[half shadow]

OKAY IM JUST CRAZY

[tulip aspen]

y u no like?

[rustic heron]

How many gifs of yourself do you have?

[keen shore]

It’s so weird how lapis is talking to thin air…

[compact shale]

#Jugemu jugemu go ko no surike Ultimate Out-Of-Context Loring with Megabird and Buddha On Our Side Along With Existential Crises San Francisco Furry Teth Ultra-Divorced Resh Mindspaces Unrealities and Last But Not Least The Utter Denial of Skykid Respiration But Also Everyone in Sky is Very Very Non-Binary and Gay And Being Kidnapped By Wooly Mantas Discussion Spoilers

[wanton robin]

That's like an incantation to summon a pantheon god

[keen shore]

Okay and now fruit is dead too because she had a stroke. Nice

[rustic heron]

Sorry, that incantation is for me.

[wanton robin]

New news to me: Lapis is a god

[compact shale]

Search up jugemu on YouTube

[frigid tinsel]

not quite but almost

[rustic heron]

You make Narcissus look selfless.

[keen shore]

WHY IS HER FORPSE STILL SPEAKINF ?

[compact shale]

The flower, the human, or the off-brand elder?

[frigid tinsel]

this is basically a summoning ritual for lorechat. say this in the mirror three times

[slate saffron]

Mayhaps it is time for Lapis propaganda

[tulip aspen]

you make narcissism look selfless

[keen shore]

Don’t say that. You’re just making them too powerful. Soon I won’t be able to smite them anymore

[rustic heron]

I swear if anyone names a lorechat after me...

[tulip aspen]

lapis chat?

[rustic heron]

Lorepis chat. Lorepis Lorezuli.

[compact shale]

Lorepis brings up a different image in my mind...

[frigid tinsel]

say that in a mirror three times and Lapis will break down your front door

[tulip aspen]

y u no likedoh

[rustic heron]

Sometimes I bring pizza. Sometimes I bring an axe. It's 50/50 either way.

[tulip aspen]

either way you broke my door and im going to ask you to fix it before i get my- uh.... bat

[rustic heron]

Don't worry. If you do, I'll just meditate into a different mindspace.

[tulip aspen]

no that's your version silly
meditate into a more enlightened perceived reality

with the mindscape you dont physically go anywhere

you got beef with mindspace theory?

[rustic heron]

No, it was more a rib at your fondness for it. I don't agree with it, but I certainly don't have any personal grudges against it or anything.

[tulip aspen]

my fondness?

[frigid tinsel]

was there always an underwater ravine by the Sanctuary Islands outskirts?

[rustic heron]

They did at a reef, so that might be part of it.

[frigid tinsel]

there's a big boat down there

[red socket]

Hello Lore chat
There's a new mural around the shared space

[rustic heron]

That'll excite Salem.

[half shadow]

i’m strapping on my diving gear as fast as i can and plunging into the sanct underwater zone brb

[red socket]

I'm not sure if you guys have seen it yet

[rustic heron]

Let me join you.

[rustic heron]

Jesus, they even manhandled the baby mantas.

[compact shale]

can we see a comparison?

[red socket]

Comparison? I think it's new
It's in the little cave in the shared space

[rustic heron]

Prairie shared space?

[red socket]

No the abyss one! The new one!

[compact shale]

no between the new one and the old version?

[red socket]

i'm not sure if there's an old version- I just wanted to show lore chat in case it was new

[frigid tinsel]

where is the new social space?

[red socket]

Right under the small light house esque structure in the middle of abyss

[half shadow]

oh my god the babies

[rustic heron]

You know, I used to sympathize with the Ancestors. But after seeing this, they deserved the Eden disaster.

[compact shale]

Seeing what?

[rustic heron]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[compact shale]

You can think that, but returning them to the stars is still our duty. You just have to pretend you don't feel animosity towards them until they're ascended.

[tulip aspen]

yeah that looks like the one that wasnt new

[compact shale]

that's why I'm asking yeye

[frigid tinsel]

the big door is closed

[compact shale]

how

[half shadow]

update. i have no idea where to go. the patch notes say it’s near the islands but there are so many islands and so much water and i am lost

[compact shale]

i hear it's in between Jellyfish cave and the small islands

[half shadow]

just swam back and forth to them

[compact shale]

how was it?

[half shadow]

empty

… oh my god the update hadnt downloaded on my switch?

[frigid tinsel]

All I see if ravine under there

[compact shale]

hm. odd.

[frigid tinsel]

Boat pics for Salem (a couple edited for clarity cos there’s poor visibility down there).

[compact shale]

whoah, a boat...

[steep prawn]

is that live?

[compact shale]

Yes it is! Sky just got updated!

[half shadow]

Looking at this again in game and I don’t actually think those are baby mantas, i think they’re hammers of some kind

[compact shale]

I mean, yeah

Wait, did someone actually think that they were using baby mantas as pickaxes?

[raw crypt]

i think its the same mural as before, just moved due to the shared space now being there (heres a pic i took with mild editing to make it clearer, unfortunately still crunchy HMGJHJ)

[tulip aspen]

I'm frankly surprised we don't theorize more about these mechanisms, which are used in forest temple too

[compact shale]

What question do you have about them?

[tulip aspen]

why and how they work

they also look eerily similar to the giant golden things made of the same material

since we know what these do, might that not tell us what those do?

[compact shale]

The gold part is a lot flatter than the golden socket things in the ship, so I'm not sure if they're the same thing, but they could be similar

[half shadow]

I think it might just be a simple design for an unlocking mechanism that utilizes power diamonds

[boreal nebula]

I feel abit responsible for that meme 😅
I was the one that reminded the devs statement about not taking too serious some aspects of SoSanctuary

But I think saying is "Sanc isn't canon" is a wrong interpretation.

IMHO on a scale from 0 to Season of Little Prince. Sanctuary is canon at least a 6

[main nest]

why is Season of TLP the scale's end point when it starts with 0?

[compact shale]

yeah teb why

[main nest]

Mayhaps nothing was ever canon to begin with

[formal skiff]

OK I CAN’T READ THROUGH ALL OF THIS I’M SO SORRY BUT CAN SOMEONE RECAP FOR ME ANYTHING NEW WE LEARNED FROM NEW TERRAIN AND MURALS?

[harsh pecan]

Everything we thought we knew was a lie

[rigid mural]

Murals were just placed elsewhere afaik

[formal skiff]

Ok, so nothing new lore-wise with the murals. Oh well.

[sharp lichen]

I love how lorechat just talked about chili dogs, planes, and San Francisco (and wooly mantas!) and it somehow makes sense

[compact shale]

#lore-discussion-spoilers ? more like

#jugemu-jugemu-go-ko-no-surike-ultimate-out-of-context-lore-with-megabird-and-buddha-on-our-side-along-with-existential-crises-san-francisco-furry-teth-ultra-divorced-resh-mindspaces-unrealities-and-last-but-not-least-the-utter-denial-of-skykid-respiration-but-also-everyone-in-sky-is-very very non-binary-and-gay-and-being-kidnapped-by-wooly-mantas-discussion-spoilers

[night pecan]

HEY SKY LORE CHAT

give me your best theory on the trench in sanc

[compact shale]

My friend has claimed that the boat there is the same boat used in the Wind Paths, and that it was involved in the death of some of the spirits

The friend is @/Dough#5851 but they said it in another server

[rigid mural]

Not sure ! That boat is a bit bigger and not the same shape. Looks like an in-between of both wind paths and regular boats with paddles imo

[compact shale]

Well, I don't have any theories on it yet so I just told off a tidbit from my friend

[native shoal]

Mantas are friend shaped

Hey does that tower in the mural remind anyone else of the tower in the season of abyss area?

[queen pike]

yeah

[compact shale]

Yes it does

[ocean wigeon]

https://youtu.be/LvKi4QwhqkA have you guys seen this

[spring oyster]

I have, but it's click-bait for a view of PNR without the heavy meteorite-ash-fall. what's your thoughts on it?

[queen pike]

ooh...

[keen shore]

Time for a fun game of spot the difference!!!

First in each series is old, second is new
I’m assuming that the first is the second quest mural considering it’s nearby but I’m not sure

[frigid tinsel]

The first mural by the new social space seems more compressed now rather than any changes to the content

[keen shore]

I agree, probably just to make it fit better. The second one just looks like they added in the bottom [which got cut off before, probably due to clipping shenanigans]

[frigid tinsel]

Here’s the third mural. Top is from last night post update, bottom is from when the season first came out.

No significant changes i can see

[keen shore]

I looked at that one and I’m pretty sure it remained unchanged. I can’t see any differences just by looking

[frigid tinsel]

Here’s the other underwater one closer. Top is last night post-update, bottom is when the season first came out.

[keen shore]

Thank you for the high res pictures btw, my tablet is on the highest graphics setting but none of the pictures have looked good recently for whatever reason

EDIT: they removed the tail statue, RIP

[raw crypt]

OH YEAH i just noticed that the statue was gone, since it was taken out in beta stages but the mural kept it accidentally

[rigid mural]

yeah they just revoked statue manta's existence

[keen shore]

I actually had a dream last night that I found a secret mural that was super neat and explained something [I can’t remember what. But it was something about the enchantment spirits using the lights for things?], and was INFURIATED when I woke up and realized it wasn’t real

[frigid tinsel]

No problem Apologies my skid is in the way, had to get as close as possible but I made sure to only be negative space.
Huh, you can see them change from Flight child to Abyss rascal

[keen shore]

can I use your images for the doc? Obvious credit of course

Also help, my cat keeps kicking me while I’m typing

[frigid tinsel]

Yea go ahead.

[keen shore]

Since there wasn’t any lore breaking changes to these murals, I’m just going to replace the ore update images with them, except for the one that removed the whale statue. Probably going to make a subsection for retconned murals [like that one & the prophecy mural that got transported to sanctuary]

As soon as the friend const update comes out I’ll probably place the crown constellation there if it gets retconned as well

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-yA8OdJ2NzwNc8c15sQB3UALYn3psT3c6mWgIV64jFM added! I am going to add sanctuary quest murals too later, just in case

[rigid mural]

...hey, the boat in eden social area looks a lot like the boat that we got to see today deep underwater in sanct

Look at Salem's doc for comparison

Salem's doc:

@keen shore you seemed puzzled by that eden boat iirc
@nimble ingot something worth getting your attention on since you compiled different types of boats

[keen shore]

YEAH!! I noticed that but it was really hard to get pics of. It’s hilarious and makes me happy that 2 people saw it and immediately were like “I need to show this to Salem” lol

Paint is washed off similar to the one at forgotten ark, but that’s probably just because it’s underwater. You can also see the darkstone slots at the bottom, although they’re completely empty [IIRC the Eden ver had these, jam clipped under there, but the ark vers did not]. It still doesn’t give too much answers as to what these are for… I thought last night that maybe they’re just boats for crossing the water on and not air since they don’t have too much darkstone, but only this one is found near water

[rigid mural]

Considering that darkstone pattern can also be found on jars and carts in abyss....
this but with darkstone

[keen shore]

How shallow they are is even weirder. There’s barely any room for people to sit and to put things on there??

I was thinking that too, especially with the symbol, but the fact that [like I said above] the bottoms are filled in a lot makes it really weird. Hold on let me check something

[rigid mural]

the "normal" boats like we see broken in isle or in waving bellmaker's memory seem to hold cargo just fine, maybe it looks shallow because it's bigger ?

[keen shore]

Google Refuses to give me an image of empty cargo boats at an angle where I can see the bottoms, but from what I can tell it looks pretty similar (flat top and filled in bottom)

[rigid mural]

cargo ships really are just like that

keep in mind things stay on board because there's ropes and boxes, it's possible ancestors did the same to some extent, look at the ships in the nintendo switch trailer

[keen shore]

OH RIGHT [becomes once again disappointed that we can’t explore colorful isle]

Only weird thing about this is that it implies darkstone got shipped in boxes to stack on top of each other because of the flat boxes, and I don’t remember seeing those boxes, but to be fair maybe they were temporary. I guess the golden diamond darkstone usually comes in would work but it might be a bit inefficient to stack and store them like that

I was also going to bring up the isle tents [but kept forgetting] because they remind me a lot of the tents on forgotten ark, FURTHER PROVING MY POINT that ench spirits are from isle. I am saving this as a thing to ask about when I get a chance because it makes a lot of sense

Also side note I get super happy when people remember the mural doc exists & use it, seeing people reference it makes my day

[rigid mural]

I'm doing a moth doc with raider myself so seeing other docs piques my interest

I feel like diamond-shaped cargo not being ergonomic might be a detail devs might have ignored so they can add in the diamond pattern for easy recognition of the contents !

[keen shore]

You’re probably right! Plus it seems that darkstone was transported when already cut so it would make more sense than just filling in extra space for the cube shape

[sharp lichen]

If they are, could they have interacted with the Cave of Prophecies?

[keen shore]

I doubt it since I think enchantment came much later and they aren’t in the prophecy memories iirc, but it’s Possible

[sharp lichen]

they could have visited it in the future, marveling at the beautiful murals. It may have even inspired them to write their own murals

[keen shore]

Another point I was about to bring up!!

Enchantment spirits 🤝 isle spirits
Cool murals in the same style as each other

[boreal nebula]

I think they prism/Resource at the center is the switch/battery and the 8 gold bumps work like amplifier

That came to my mind when I discussed about how it seems there are 16 golden containers embedded into the giant gold dynamo

Goldens near the Polluted Geyser seem to heat up during spikes of energy (creating hot hair "smoke") so maybe they have a magnetific property for the Ancestors (se see gold in bells too, which maybe spin due to a circuit we cannot see)

This might all be just my own pov, becaus I think the Forest Temple and GW broken temple were made as a sort of hydroelectric power plant or maybe even to pump water from other realm(s) up to Eden (ideally for a watercoooling system to compensate the Giant Red Power Diam)

[keen shore]

The only reason why I haven’t tried to discuss these is because I know absolutely nothing about how machines work, and worry I’d embarrass myself by not realizing something immediately obvious about them that anyone else would realize immediately

[queen pike]

i've been looking at journey playthroughs and i've seen some similarities between the two. such as a racing level that seems REALLY similar to valley, chinese lanterns=jellyfish flyers=butterflies war machines= krill. and lots of murals.

[nimble ingot]

Ooh. A sunken boat in the Sanctuary island.
That is an interesting concept.
I winder if there are other sunken boats in Sky?

Perhaps an Ark (not the forgotten one) from the concept art could be somewhere on the sea floor.

Almost like Sky' version of the Titanic.

[late wasp]

whoever decided to increase the number of daily seasonal light fragments from 4 to 8 is a saint!

[nimble ingot]

RIP
True Abyss Ship
Coral Sea Turtle
Spade fish
Mega Eel (at least we got the smaller, marble eel)
Manta statue (replaced by a pointy tower)
Sea weed
Sea coral

[late wasp]

also, i just realized something i never paid too much attention to:

in Home, the merchant ship sells spells/blessings from jars too. not just the lights

those ships carrying jars could have been ships carrying actual goods (spells). and since spells can summon clothing, furniture, etc. those were actual goods beings transported around the kingdom. light freight ships / trains.

[queen pike]

i just call the eel "long boi"

[nimble ingot]

Same. Tbough dont mind adding marble to it here. Since other theorists have done so too.

The patchnotes did call it an Eel like creature.
So that is the name until the xanon name is revealed.

[rocky plume]

Can confirm sky is alive

[frigid tinsel]

Candy! I didn’t expect you here

[tulip aspen]

i wonder why....

[tulip aspen]

the spear queer, the boat goat, the mural swirl...er

[charred moon]

How can I buy a cape switch?

[tulip aspen]

ofc fam, i still don't know why the mods haven't pinned it

[sharp lichen]

I play a REDIRECTION CARD, dealing 10 context! “GO TO #questions-and-help”

[sharp lichen]

When will it end? When will Sky lore be ever finished? Maybe, just maybe, if tgc goes bankrupt, they will make the lore bible Public

[rigid mural]

finally found the babylonian gods of doorways that made me think of samekh (valley twins)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lugal-irra_and_Meslamta-ea

[half shadow]

“…who chopped the dead into pieces as they passed through the gates.” that’s metal as hell

[sharp lichen]

Yep that’s definitely them!

[sharp lichen]

And I thought that today’s nations had restrictive border control

Hello Mai! I’m out and my battery is low, so I can’t talk for long

[finite vault]

Hi!

[sharp lichen]

You seem new to lore. Do you have any questions?

[finite vault]

Yep i am new to lore. I would love to hear about anything honestly

[sharp lichen]

I have some ADVICE to give:

“Do not enter Sky lore if you are the faint of heart. It is the most brutal out of all the channels here. Your theories will go through a level of rigor that doesn’t exist in #cozy-sky-discussion or #general-sky-discussion.

[tulip aspen]

what

[finite vault]

Uhhhhh o...Okay. thanks for the advice.

[keen shore]

Something seems on brand about my zodiac sign being related to a pair of gods who chopped people up

Baud is making it seem worse than it is, it’s not like we eat people or anything!

[tulip aspen]

do mantas (look like they) have feathers in the cinematic trailer?

iirc they do (look like they have it)

also lapis would eat someone alive without hesitation

[native shoal]

What did I just come back to

[sharp lichen]

I’m just kidding! Come on in.

[tulip aspen]

ive been propositioning that all light creatures are fully made of light: magic, with no "flesh" or "meat" or anything of the sort, (but larger creatures have skeletal structures made of some transmutation of Light) and everyone else has been denying it, or at least preferring the idea of meat mantas, primarily because they support the idea of biological or-at-least non-clayshell ancestors

for me to prove that ancestors are non-biological and dont physically eat other beings of light, i will have to make a better case/offense that creatures of light definitely are made of pure light

[hushed steeple]

Reminder the koi now have white underbellys like how I remembered them from light awaits videos.

[compact shale]

Don't worry loremoths. Lorechat is a lot of things, hungry isn't one of them!

[finite vault]

I mean it makes sense to me. Because in my opinion nothing in sky feels "alive" other than krills and birds. Idk why? I guess its because krills interact with us... and mantas just float. But big ones DO interact with us. Now i am just confused...

[shadow blaze]

skys lore in less than 2 words?

[rigid mural]

find out

[shadow blaze]

makes sense

[tulip aspen]

perhaps, but being alive doesn't necessarily even constitute having flesh

[compact shale]

Here's a very abridged version of the main story

||The king screwed up
There's darkness abuse
The spirits can't ascend without our help
and now we're here to ascend the spirits||

[tulip aspen]

the utter truth

[shadow blaze]

alright thanks

[rocky plume]

I need to see more about fluffy mantas now

[frigid tinsel]

They were regarded as guardians of doorways[1] and they may have originally been envisioned as a set of twins guarding the gates of the Underworld
Hmm, after Valley is Wasteland

[quick terrace]

imagine brushing manta coats

[frigid tinsel]

Have a dosage of wooly mantas

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

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#lore-discussion-spoilers message

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[late wasp]

found this on Twitter and I can't unsee the King (artist src: https://twitter.com/PanelPerDay/status/1485830991294132224)

Sky lore is the new amongus imposter
i can't unsee the patterns

[frigid tinsel]

It took me a minute to recognize the similarities

[rigid mural]

this one fell in the wind path pigment pots... oops !

[compact shale]

Where does the pink come from

[rigid mural]

another pot i didnt bother to draw, it bounced off it into the pots i drew

[hushed steeple]

Blue and yellow make pink. Its common knowledge.

[half shadow]

it’s brigh OH I MEANT TO REPLY TO THE PERSON YOU REPLIED TO

[hushed steeple]

Anyone notice all the row boats. Especially in abyss

[half shadow]

pansexual pride manta

[half shadow]

the larger boats including the one that the Abyss guide is on seem to be designed in the same way that viking longboats were

[hushed steeple]

No. The crashed row boats. There are two along the west coast/caves. And one more in the beginner swimming area, it had been carrying dark stone.

The boat beneath the sanctuary waves is a model that we haven't seen before. One big defining feature separating it from every other boat is its extended walls.

[half shadow]

oh yeah the smaller ones seem to be what they were using to move darkstone from the mines and to the tower

[hushed steeple]

Im thinking back, and I revise what I said. The ones carrying dark stone are not row boats. Also the placement of the row boats makes me think the rowboats came after the entirety of the bay flooded. Which means they're newer/more recent. They also don't have any details that allow the use of dark stone.

Who wants to ask TGC for permission to hack the game and remove all the water so we can inspect every little detail better and easier?

[compact shale]

Nah pal we should master blue light

So that we can bend the water off the ocean

[rocky plume]

woo!

[hushed steeple]

Skyvatar : the first drought maker.

So, you know how we can see all the places where the wind path inhabitants took stone from their mountain, right? Do you think the land mass of isle used to be bigger?

[hushed steeple]

leaves without warining, and without a trace to be found except for the plans of world domination I accidentally dropped

[keen shore]

Just stick a straw in the ocean and do a big slurp. Problem solved!

[quick terrace]

a lot of straws will be required

[keen shore]

There are actually a few other boats like that. This was the kind I was talking about earlier that I couldn’t figure out the use of. They are really hard to find and in weird locations, sometimes mixed in with boats that have different models.

There’s one with that exact model near forgotten ark, two in the first area of Eden (though these have paint on them, the ark and sanctuary ones probably got their paint washed off due to the elements) and another somewhat near the forest river. As far as I know that’s all the ones ingame

[formal skiff]

I have four of your wooly mantas saved on my phone fghjhfddh

[harsh pecan]

Woahhhh

[rustic heron]

Ayy, nice to see you again Sophos.

[late wasp]

was going to stop playing sky until the next quest lol
but 7 seasonal candles / day kinda convinced me to keep playing

[rustic heron]

The candle grind is even more brutal than the lore.

I wonder if anyone has gathered candle spending metrics in Sky. I’m curious as to the total amount of candles spent by all the players over the lifetime of the game.

[hushed steeple]

I started skipping any days I didnt feel like playing

Made time for other games and life

If they announced the artbook I would be more excited for it than a new season

[rustic heron]

@keen shore because the comment mysteriously vanished.

I will forever be disappointed that Abyss didn’t introduce giant light isopods in the deeper trenches of treasure reef.

Look at the size of these lads. Absolute unit.

[hushed steeple]

Swapped animal stereotypes for dark and light maybe

Dark clownfishes and dolphins, light sharks and octopi, maybe anglers

[rustic heron]

Who put that emote. Who could be disgusted by this beautiful boi?

[hushed steeple]

Teddy

[rustic heron]

He is in the shape of a friend.

You know, I’ve always had this thought that if I ever quit Sky, the very next season after I quit will be exactly what I would want in a season, and I will have just missed it.

That alone is the reason why I’m still playing. Just in case they don’t catch me slippin’.

[lyric isle]

the second i’m considering quitting the offseason questgiver makes a comeback somehow

I fear that too so

[compact shale]

Friend shaped frienda

[lyric isle]

maybe I should pretend I’m close to quitting and they’ll come back

[rigid mural]

the what ??? they added them back ???

[lyric isle]

@rigid mural I WISH

alternately, big lore season that teaches us things about how the light magic works and the scholars and more elaboration on enchantment and prophecy as soon as I leave

and I immediately reinstall

[rigid mural]

my bad, didnt see the context
i put in wishlist a thing about a valley season a few weeks ago, wonder if we will see more urban settings

[lyric isle]

I just want to learn more about the magic and stufffffff

my enchantment moth brain must know

[rustic heron]

Blessing theory.

[lyric isle]

👀 do tell

I must know about the light scholars and the Lightseekers-Enchantment-Prophecy link

I now know my dream season concept

[late wasp]

oh wow eden looks really pretty now
not sure what changed, but it is more vibrant. the lightning is also more impactful
and you can see the stream of creatures behind the crystal now

[rustic heron]

Yessss.

Blessing theory is hinged on the notion that the magic system of Sky is based around blessings, aka spells/potions/scrolls. Blessings are made of darkstone, and by some mechanism and once infused with light, they are able to be cast as magic.

Blessings are diverse, and can do many things, from changing the environment to changing one’s own body, to something as simple as making fireworks.

However, the crux of the theory hinges on the notion that the giant diamond in Eden is actually a massive blessing that was an attempt to cast an enormous flight spell that would, effectively give all Ancestors the ability to fly. This backfired and would eventually lead to the downfall of the entire civilisation.

As to why this happened is something I haven’t quite cemented yet. It could be that the enormous flight blessing gifted flight to Ancestors by killing them, thereby freeing their spirits which are able to fly.

Other alternatives are that, in sucking up all the energy in the Eden light beam, the Ancestors were unable to connect to the Light anymore, and civilisation crumbled.

We do know of some beings who were given the power of flight: the sky kids. The Eden flight blessing lead to our eventual ability to fly, and it was likely that the King was gifted the ability to fly, but this also caused his death. The result was many flight-capable Sky kids.

The implications of this is that the voice in Isle is the King, who would be the only one who knew of the purpose of the Eden failed flight blessing, and thus knew we, his descendants, would be able to fly.

@lyric isle

[lyric isle]

liking that idea of the eden diamond a lot! i’m not too big on that kind of lore but hoo boy

[rustic heron]

There are other notions of why the giant flight blessing was made, as flight is considered a path to the Megabird, and thus a path to divinity, for Ancestors. The King, looking at the original intro cinematic, was the central@figure in connecting the light, and once the light split and the stars fell, he was desperate to@unite it all again. The rest still needs ironing out as there are a few good points that poke holes in this, but the King’s desire to untie the light would eventually drive them to find a means to fly.

And yeah, there are many who@would disagree, so you’re not alone.

My favourite part of the theory is there is substantial in-game evidence for it.

But that’s a rough synopsis of the theory.

[lyric isle]

I too have absurdly detailed specific theories - willing to believe in this idea to an extent, I love it