lore-discussion-spoilers

[livid pelican]

Death is a heavy subject, ironic since we are technically the grim reaper

[wet sorrel]

Skykid is grim reaper that help spirits relive memories just to steal their fashion

[livid pelican]

Yup

[formal skiff]

Which is why we’re all counting down the hours until we can finally talk about our good friend in Abyss OOB…

[frigid tinsel]

we can discuss the Office and Eden without spoiler tags here because it's implied everyone here already knows about that. Beta stuff doesn't belong here at all. more upsetting subjects that'd trigger people deserve to go under a spoiler, which is a more general thing and not just this server thing.

[tulip aspen]

who knows
i think the the mom we can be certain she wants it for herself (unless the guide isn't a mom and it's skater grown up)

using dreams as the best example again.... it's more like... everyone in that season kinda benefits from the guide's wish being fulfilled, and that could translate into multiple things, whether it's
--finally fulfilling forgotten dreams
(ark, assembly, belonging, ryhthm, sanct maybe lightseekers),
--coming to terms with something that happened in the past
(belonging, prophecy, flight),
--making things right again if only in symbolism
(flight, prophecy, ark, belonging, sanct),
or in dream's likely special case,
--recalling something important that happened for clarity and maybe more
(dreams, flight, maybe lightseekers)

[compact shale]

Happy Vale...ntines...?

[frigid tinsel]

aroace mood is traumatizing your skykid on Valentine's Day rather than going on dates or whatever

[livid pelican]

dreams is when most people in the village lost inspiration and we just reminded them about it.

[wet sorrel]

I feel like Cackling Cannoneer went to wrong spot and got attacked by water krill but he/she wanted to still have the most rock thingies

[compact shale]

Yeah

Happy Valentine's day, friend o mi- hey where are you? *honkhojonkhohfdsjfsdhghonk

ah frick

[half shadow]

anyways, back to the Abyss guide: they seem to be the navigator due to the map they hold, judging by the Seasonal artwork. it could be that their guilt of unsuccessfully navigating to the Reef they crashed in is what needs to be resolved before they and the spirits of their crew can pass.

[formal skiff]

YES AMAZING
I’m demi and ace, not aro, but like honestly Beast > date

[livid pelican]

That's a possibility since they got a cracked mask.

[keen shore]

Going to make Valentine’s Day more fun for my aroace self by pretending THE WORM* is my valentine

*No longer accepting name suggestions of this creature unless they are typed in all caps

[harsh pecan]

Oooo

[half shadow]

you can use the gender neutral they/them instead of he/she!

[tulip aspen]

astute observations fam! yep, that's likely exactly what's going on

they lived through her dream, and when/as they died, they lost hope and would need to be reminded of that hope she became, yet again

[livid pelican]

I can agree because that puts even more burden to the abyss guide as the navigator.

[frigid tinsel]

been trying to come up with [adj][noun] names for the season guides for my Skyfic and you make a good point so I'm thinking now [something] Mapmaker?

[late wasp]

so what you are saying is that the Abyss Guide is the guide?

[half shadow]

it’s just that easy

[harsh pecan]

I-

[livid pelican]

Excellent observation skills

[compact shale]

The wish is something like "I've forgotten the namesake of this village. Could you help me remember?"

[tulip aspen]

kinda yea!

[compact shale]

Okay I'll admit there is a bit of headcanon in this one. "Village of Dreams" isn't the village's actual name, but it started being called as that after skater girl's performance.

[tulip aspen]

that'd be pretty awesome ngl

[frigid tinsel]

not like the skids would know the actual name

[tulip aspen]

lets go to discussion

which do you guys prefer as a theory:

is dreams guide:
--the mom?
--skater girl grown up

[formal skiff]

So… what’s the “big idea” in Abyss?

[frigid tinsel]

swimming, animal cruelty

[wet sorrel]

I dont remember what spirit but there was one spirit in Village of dreams or maybe hermit valley what almost fallen of mountain but other spirit helped it

How was the fall?

[harsh pecan]

The mom

[tulip aspen]

the Sky kinda tells us in the bottom of our screen /j

[formal skiff]

Oh well yeah lol, I meant the wish we’re trying to fulfill though /lh

[tulip aspen]

skater girl falls right into fluffy yeti's fluffy arms, so hopefully the cushioning of the fluff made it a lot less painful

[half shadow]

I like that! it’s a little hard to tell the characters of seasonal guides due to them being usually absent from most memories, but going off of how the design feels, I originally thought that the Abyss guide was younger than all of the others just due to their smaller stature. they’re also wearing a much nicer, fancy cape with golden decorative broaches and beads. the way they seem to be very helpful and eager to assist the crew in their tasks makes me consider them as a younger, possibly less experienced spirit who wants to prove themselves as a capable crew member.

considering there’s not any mom or dad titles I think that the dreams guide’s title would be parent

[keen shore]

Neither seems right to me. The spirit is too detached looking from the skater to be their parent (although this is just a gut feeling).

They DO look oddly like the skater grown up, and makes sense as to why the skater isn’t a spirit, but this raises some weird questions considering we can see them watching some of the skater’s memories with us. So… can spirits watch you as you relive their memories?? How does this work

[compact shale]

idk but if Bearhug didn't catch them they'd break some ancestor bones and their dream would end before it even started (is figure skating one of those things where broken bone = end?)

And for Abyss Guide, here's my headcanons

Duty: Cartographer/Recruiter (in our time)
-Straightforward
-Opportunistic
-Doesn't bother with introductions
-Will tell new crew members how to not get physically harmed by the older crew members

[compact shale]

Oh yeah, some peeps had this instinctive thought that Dreams guide was an older Skater Girl.

Though it doesn't make much sense... but then fanfic...

[steep prawn]

what is the equivalent of a starter pack for lore in sky or where do i start rather

[wet sorrel]

I thought that Dream guide is old skater girl until i started to read this

[keen shore]

The weird part is it DOES make sense.., except for the watching you part. Experiencing that part of the season made me question A Lot (but that was a year ago so I’ve forgotten about it until now)

[compact shale]

There's some stuff in the pinned comments that could basically function as that!

[wet sorrel]

If its not the skater girl my small brain will now think its her mom/random person that lives there

[frigid tinsel]

i've given them the Wylan backstory of "upper-class rich kid who left their comfort out of rebellion/was disowned/home destroyed and joined their new family of criminals." it would explain their fancier cape from the rest of the crew and, if they were a cartographer, why they can draw geography so well – they were trained by tutors

[keen shore]

YEAHHH I LOVE SIX OF CROWS

[spring oyster]

I always thought it was her grown up and reflecting- it also supported this for me because all the young girl quests (vs seasonal spirits) you don't get any expressions and her dreams were accomplished BECAUSE of everyone's combined efforts

And young girl never interacts with Guide, if it were mom you'd think they'd hug at the end or be supportive

[frigid tinsel]

if my theory that spirit memories are really the memories of the Sky world rather than projected from the spirits, then it may be possible to tune in to the Sky world in order to call forth spirit memories, hence why we can relive memories when the spirit themself is absent.

[half shadow]

ohhh and then on their first actual voyage they go on the disaster with the worm creature causes them to crash. something about that background makes the scenario sadder

[tulip aspen]

I'd honestly prefer that:
I've even had fever daydreams of a base-game Sky that's been completely revamped and revitalized, you've heard some of my wishlist things from it like the open world part.
I'd like to see it be experimented with that you and the actually existing spirit kinda just sees the displays of the past and looks on at that, and you and the spirit will kinda follow their animated past selves around. A kinda "christmas carol 3 ghosts" looking at the past with the spirit type beat

anyways besides that visualization, i think that's fascinating that you don't think it's a mom or older self

did you just personally not make that connection or did you have another idea in mind; that it's just a villager who always watched everything in the village happen?

[tulip aspen]

great points!

[wet sorrel]

What if skykid acually saw everything.

But we rebirth at eden and we can do it infinite times so what if we rebirthed enough so everyone is dead and we still remember them and they us

[half shadow]

does anybody have the og beta Abyss seasonal art? the one with the sword?

[half shadow]

thanks! I just wanted to see if there was any additions to what the guide was holding

[frigid tinsel]

it wasn't "beta" btw, they claimed it was just "outdated"

[half shadow]

oh okay!

[keen shore]

I didn’t consider the guide and skater being family members until I heard others talking about it, because they don’t seem to interact much if that makes sense. My main theory was them being the same person, the part where they’re watching their own memories threw me off A Lot though…
I personally see spirit memories as equivalent to the spirit being trapped in a repeating time loop, so the memories aren’t projected, but they just have to relive them over and over. You have to light each memory because it takes a lot of energy for them to project each stage out of their mind and into reality as well for you to help them out. Maybe the dreams guide proves this wrong, but a spirit watching their own memories be revived doesn’t happen anywhere else (iirc) so I was not expecting this at all

[hushed steeple]

Dream guide is Skater girls mum. Im completely convinced. She got mum vibes. She got the mum (hairclip) hair. Its for mum spirits only.

[harsh pecan]

Yes

[half shadow]

i sorta got that vibe too, like they were a parent or caretaker. considering we really don’t have any strict evidence as to how family structures work in sky culture it’s kinda hard to draw direct familial relationships

[wet sorrel]

Sometimes i wonder what spirits were eating when they will still alive there is only 1 farm in whole Sky and its in Wasteland where is alot sand

[keen shore]

The only non canon family relationship theory idea I immediately subscribed to as soon as I saw it was that the dreams skater, flight guide, and rhythm guide are all related just because of how funny it is to imagine

[frigid tinsel]

well the Forgotten Ark farm seems to have been made out of desperation, so the ancestors when they were alive needed to eat or they would've starved. we also see Abyss guide and Anxious Angler fishing in the latter's memories.

[half shadow]

new headcanon: all of the dreams spirits all had a hand in raising the skater as a non-nuclear family because it takes a village to raise a child heheheheh

[hushed steeple]

Mom Mummy mom mumsy mum spirt

[wet sorrel]

What about spirits in Daylight pirare maybe they were eating mantas-

[harsh pecan]

Mummy-

[wooden crypt]

Wait wait I thought the dreams guide was the skater girl’s mother

[half shadow]

Alasdair you mentioned writing sky fic, do you have any other names for any of the other seasonal guides?

[compact shale]

I have a temptation to found-family basically all the newer seasons AAAAA

Light Whisperer? All the other Team Flight spirits are their found family!
Abyss Guide? They don't have a 2nd parent and they consider the rest of the crew as family even if it's not by blood... or whatever ancestors have!

[hushed steeple]

Prolly is. But its a slow lore day and anything not nailed to the floor is debatable.

[spring oyster]

Part of this may be because each of that season's spirits memories are intrinsically linked to her journey as a young girl. She became the star skater because of the people that helped her accomplish her dreams (I kinda assumed there was a specific lead skater role, originally the bird character, and she became the next one, but that point may be my not paying attention)

[wooden crypt]

peaces out before I can be pinged more

[hushed steeple]

I mean. The last skater girl might have been ms Quail

[spring oyster]

Then there's always grandma's dinner table! And the roasting crabs in wasteland

[hushed steeple]

[half shadow]

I overall headcanon that that’s how families tend to work in the world of Sky anyways, like it’s common for a group of individuals to all equally care for children instead of it being two parents in a single family

[compact shale]

Your constellation determines your familial destiny /hj

[tulip aspen]

yeah it definitely does make sense, that's why those two different theories compete well with each other

also yeah the loop theory doesn't interact well with the seasonal quests concept in general, but I'm sure there's some workaround to be had

[half shadow]

and considering there aren’t any binary gender roles in Sky the families could look a lot different from what we expect

[wet sorrel]

Skykids can acually eat and drink you can see them eating normal looking bun at Valentine table but skykids Burn grandma food what look like rocks Grandma is getting desperate but while she is dead she cant cook well

[compact shale]

Events have a more ambiguous canonicity as they're more real-world based.

[half shadow]

i like the idea of skykids playing tea party and just pouring tea on their masks and mashing little pastries against them

[keen shore]

I wasn’t fully expecting the loop theory to be canon which is why I haven’t mentioned it before; there’s just too little evidence to actually prove it so I’m keeping it as a “this would be neat and brutal” headcanon in the same realm as my idea of manta corpses merging together after death to become krill. But you’re right in the idea that it conflicts with some seasonal quests (as in the ones like dreams that allow you to relive things adjacent to spirit memories)… I’m still not sure how those work

[compact shale]

Skykid pours tea into their eyes. Don't worry, the light evaporates it instantly.

If Ash told us we could smell, I honestly wouldn't mind. Because that way we can somewhat appreciate food by burning it.

[tulip aspen]

no one is sure how they work tbh, especially when past spirits that have already ascended show up in season mission cutscenes, it's like.... wha

[half shadow]

skykids smell like burning ozone new headcanon

[livid pelican]

What did I miss?

[willow prawn]

I don't consider the Dreams guide the mom of the skater girl (although it's a cute headcanon!), but I don't it's her future self either. I always felt she was a member of the community who watched everything happen and that perhaps only played a part by giving her the cape and mask once she was ready to perform.

Somehow, the way they ask you to help them remember the story makes it sound like they're fond of what happened and of the skater girl, but were always distant as well

[compact shale]

I don't know what that smells like but that sounds like something I wouldn't wanna smell

[keen shore]

I have so many questions about seasonal quests. Prophecy and enchantment are good because they make sense. But how does finding bells for the sanctuary guide help them recall their memories? How do the dreams quests work in general? How does collecting fake illusionary furniture translate to decorating the assembly treehouse? Every time I try to think about these things, I have to give up because I’m not sure they’re supposed to make sense

[tulip aspen]

yeeee they definitely couldve just been a villager

[half shadow]

I mean it’s true that more story-focused seasons weren’t really a thing until Dreams right? It could be they just didn’t really come up with streamlined stories before then. I could be wrong though that’s just what I’ve heard people say

[wet sorrel]

We can hear it slurp the tea tho
They teleport water into the mouth

[harsh pecan]

Maybe we just think we made a difference but we actually didn’t do anything

[keen shore]

Somehow forgot to mention the most obvious evidence for the dreams guide and skater to be the same person. For their first performance, the skater is given the ultimate gifts (Phoenix cape and mask) that the guide passes on to us later

[tulip aspen]

remember, with guides, you are not recalling a memory of theirs, you are "fulfilling a wish", as an exact para-quote from the game after completing a quest

[half shadow]

i need more of you guys to acknowledge my it takes a village to raise a child joke. laugh now or i’ll cry

[willow prawn]

Where is it?

[frigid tinsel]

in my Skyfic, some of them have name names rather than [adj][noun] names but I only have them cos that's how the other spirits refer to them.

Sanctuary guide is "the Bellmaster," no adjective, that's just what they told the skykids to call them and that's how other spirits refer to them. while they're very affable and friendly, it seems as if they didn't have a past. they didn't ascend and are still looking over the Sanctuary Islands in the present, instead focused on the wellbeings of others and light creatures.

Prophecy guide I'm bumping between "the Caretaker" or "the Solemn Caretaker" or "Trial/Cave Guide." like the Bellmaster, they also haven't ascended, wanting to keep an eye on the skids who go through the trials. their real name is Sibuna. in life, they looked after the Prophecy Caves and represented the prophets.

Assembly guide has a nickname I can't say in this server, but has to do with their head wear. they ascended but sometimes come down to the Treehouse with a friend or two the check up on it.

Flight guide is "the Heartfelt Founder." Their name is Niya.

Abyss guide I've been calling Marrun, nicknamed "Mar" cos Spanish

[keen shore]

I know that’s how it works in general. But iirc with sanctuary the wording around the quests was VERY explicit that you are helping them remember things

[compact shale]

BUT WE DON'T HAVE MOUTTHS

[harsh pecan]

What if Skater girl died before the mom and all that was left was the Phoenix mask and cape

[half shadow]

I love this so much thank u

[wet sorrel]

MAYBE THEY DO BUT THEY OPEN IT LIKE IN SOME FILMS LIKE POOF MOUTH WITH GIGANT TEETH

[compact shale]

FRICKIN HELL THAT'S CURSED

[tulip aspen]

honestly i personally believe the guide handing the costume to skater debunks the "grown-self" theory; she's handing it to herself? how does that work? and why?

[keen shore]

Wait. Does the guide give the skater the costume?? Did I forget about this

[harsh pecan]

Skids with teeth? ._.

[tulip aspen]

wait it was????
wahaaaaa

also fruity dont fight people lolol

[compact shale]

The idea that Dreams QG ISN'T the mom is kinda 💔

[half shadow]

brb getting my sketchbook

[wet sorrel]

Yes it is and i love myself just becuse i said it

[tulip aspen]

ima have to watch a playthrough of sanct again, ive legit never seen that thanks salem

[compact shale]

sanct...?

[harsh pecan]

Exactly, that scene doesn’t really make sense if they’re the same person

[frigid tinsel]

I can't say Assembly guide's nickname but you can say that

[keen shore]

No problem! May be wrong though just because it’s been almost two years since I did the quests, I just remember the phrasing about memories being before the actual quest if that makes sense

[tulip aspen]

^^^
@compact shale

this is crazy if true

[wet sorrel]

Maybe that's why skykid have mask lmao

[compact shale]

Yeah hell isn't censored

Man, lore will knock you off your feet with a shot to the heart sometimes

[harsh pecan]

If the mask is there for that reason then what about the faceless mask?

[keen shore]

Also I can joke that one of the elders is named Sextum without getting censored for some reason (in my defense, it means six but sounds ridiculous)

[compact shale]

ummmmm... that i... *le bonk of shame

[wet sorrel]

Just skykid is confident enough to show that you cant see it mouth

[hushed steeple]

Headlight eyeballs theory was confirmed

[harsh pecan]

Really?

[half shadow]

skykid enters dark room with blinding bright eyes

“oh sorry i forgot to turn off flashlight mode” closes eyes

[hushed steeple]

Sorta ish. You can see they got eyeballs much brighter than spirits when wearing cannoneer mask. Which has enough space to reveal their open eyes.

[frigid tinsel]

i'm surprised no one's commented on the connections with "Sibuna" and "Niya," some of the more lazy names I've come up with

[spring oyster]

Could be less bright at the eyes because their shine comes from their core being

[keen shore]

I did not question it because they sound very cool and neat and I was just focusing on that :3c (also you mentioned something about niya once but I forgot)

[frigid tinsel]

Video and pics of observations of skykids’ eyes in Cannoneer’s mask: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[hushed steeple]

Did switch trailer show the ancestors with cores? I forgot :/

I always assumed the reason you could see em is cause. Well they are see through.

[hushed steeple]

Bright bright shiny blindy mmmm just the way I like it.

[wet sorrel]

A ✨ Blink ✨

[compact shale]

AAAAA TURN ON DARK MODE MY CHILD TURN ON DARK MODE YOU LOOK LIKE A BIBLICALLY ACCURATE ANGEL RN -an intimidated spirit

[frigid tinsel]

Niya is just Ayin backwards, connecting to Flight guide being Prairie Elder's apprentice. I did that cos the concept names for the Elders aren't canon in my ficverse (though Alef and Resh are, I'm lazy).

Sibuna is just Anubis backwards cos people joke that they have the Anubis mask.

[harsh pecan]

Imagine if skids actually looked like Biblically accurate angels

[compact shale]

This is why we don't walk around without a clayshell

We need a familiar form so that the ancestors don't run away from our ascension-giving fire

[frigid tinsel]

something something

[compact shale]

there's a good reason why we aren't just walking wl.

[livid pelican]

I think biblically accurate angels are references to the stars.

So the idea that we are biblically accurate angels make sense.

[harsh pecan]

[late wasp]

the more i think about it, the more the King sounds like Lucifer
"light-bringer", fallen angel, tempts mankind into a false paradise, etc

[harsh pecan]

Ohhh you’re right

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[compact shale]

-said not Alasdair ever

[frigid tinsel]

obligatory

[half shadow]

skykid 2.0 patch notes:

• more teeth

[frigid tinsel]

lorechat is an inspiration for art, for better or for worse

[harsh pecan]

W h y

[frigid tinsel]

this is well made i just–

[half shadow]

it could be worse i was going to go fully detailed rendered shaded hyperrealistic but i decided that was too much effort and would probably legit freak people out instead of be funny

[harsh pecan]

I….actually want to see that

[half shadow]

@ tgc if you ever want to do a hard pivot in your game design to full on body horror hire me please

[sharp lichen]

krills should have teeth too

[half shadow]

where’s that really crazy dark creature concept art i think one of them had teeth

early dark creature concept art my beloved…

[rigid mural]

i will make you regret making me see this

[harsh pecan]

And how will you do that?

[lofty void]

I hate this, thanks <3

[lofty void]

WHY.

[compact shale]

one does not ask about whyeth

[lofty void]

well I DO!

[half shadow]

YES THERE IT IS !!!!!

[half shadow]

i just imagine them sounding like a wind up chattering teeth toy

[tulip aspen]

sometimes simplicity is poetic

[tulip aspen]

YO-

[half shadow]

i love how frightened the krill is this is terrifying

[tulip aspen]

clash of the titans

[half shadow]

a weapon to surpass metal gear dark dragons

[keen shore]

Still wondering about this, took some Pot Images today to maybe help. Maybe this is related to the cutscene where the prairie elder turned light into butterflies?? [considering cutscenes like the laughing light catcher] is this how butterflies are created?

[sly lake]

Future shipments of light creatures (butterflies) to Forest, to be used in their power diamond refineries?

When you enter forest past the first gate, theres a shipping dock and murals of ships with jars arriving into Forest.

[half shadow]

we get a glimpse of butterfly creation during the Switch trailer as well, and I think they must need a container of a sort to be formed. i wonder if they were a means of light storage for energy

[keen shore]

Both ideas make sense! I do have to wonder why there’s so many discarded pots, though, instead of all of them having been shipped to forest…

& the idea of butterflies being light storage - this would be a really interesting idea, although I do have to wonder why butterflies are better than the light spheres we see the light catcher collect. I mean, they move around a lot, so they’re harder to contain, and they’re small so it’s more of a hassle to put them into things.

Maybe (hear me out) the butterflies naturally grow into mantas, which are made of MORE light, so it’s like a light duplication hack? (I know this sounds far fetched, but it’s my first idea)

[sly lake]

I believe butterflies can form naturally from light and evolve from there, but some spirits have the talent to manually create a butterfly from a light essence as well.

Yes, I agree Salem on butterflies being essentially proto-mantas!

The cutscene of Prairie elder and the trailer spirit forming butterflies from light could have also been just to show us, the viewers, that the creatures in Sky are formed from light. Perhaps less to do with the form of a butterfly being better for storage and transportation.

Alternatively, maybe some form of 'life' is needed to grant the power diamond their abilities.

[keen shore]

Side note - if you combine my idea (butterflies grow into manta) with wanders point (they were being shipped to forest) plus the fact that you see a manta symbol in the forest refinery & only mantas are imprisoned there, the three together make a lot of sense

[sly lake]

I believe it fits with a standard method of producing a product as well. You have the farming or harvesting of raw materials (Prairie) which are transported to a place that they can be refined and made into an item (Forest) and then they are shipped out to be used for their creation purpose (Valley). In Valley we see more wonders of what these diamonds can to, that Forest produces with the raw energy from Prairie materials.

[keen shore]

I wonder if it’s less that life is a necessary ingredient, and more so that light creatures are a much more concentrated form of light and charge darkstone faster than idk just putting a darkstone crystal in the sun

[livid pelican]

I theorized that Daylight Prairie is an agricultural area.

[keen shore]

I don’t think prairie is, I think the main agricultural area would be Isle. Prairie is made up of a ton of floating islands that would make having massive farms there a struggle, as compared to Isle’s relatively flat (and once grassy) terrain

[livid pelican]

Maybe it's a... Sanctuary

[keen shore]

If prairie is an agricultural area, somewhere out there is a spirit whose cause of death is “died from accidentally riding tractor into sky”

[livid pelican]

You mean... Death by flying boat

I know agriculture exist because of the scarecrow farmer

[sly lake]

I think Prairie and Isle could both be agricultural, but Prairie is farther along in the agricultural industrialization. Isle seems more nomadic in comparison, with transient tent villages compared to the stone towers that Prairie has. Keep in mind, it has been many years and perhaps some old houses have fallen away and been covered by clouds or foliage. Perhaps under all the clouds near the temple are ruins of a thriving ancient city!

[livid pelican]

Isle is the boonies, the country side. education is probably where I would put it

[sly lake]

Parts of Sky that exist below the clouds, not seen by us currently in game, is possible as well. One of the devs responsible for Citadel has stated that beneath the clouds of citadel are cramped slums. We just don't see them.

[frigid tinsel]

i think we're overdue for a Season of Farming or something

[sly lake]

That would be a great way to introduce a gardening, foraging, or farming mechanic to the game! Love it.

[livid pelican]

Season of Agriculture should make sense as a season

[frigid tinsel]

for irony's sake, it should take place during the winter

[sly lake]

Well, winter on one hemisphere is summer in another.

[livid pelican]

I would love that too! We can farm candles or hearts

[frigid tinsel]

we don't already?

[livid pelican]

I meant a much more efficient way to grind hearts

aside from lighting friend stars

or trading with spirits
or farming likes in a message boat

[half shadow]

cooking minigame

[spring oyster]

But the sky kids do get a constellation!

[half shadow]

Oh wow you were reading back a bit lol. also thats such a nice picture

[rustic heron]

Hello lore chat. What's the topic tonight/today?

[frigid tinsel]

hey Lapis, good to see you. last I checked, lorechat was going on about agriculture and light creature husbandry

[compact shale]

H u s b -?!

[frigid tinsel]

does that word mean something different than what i think it does?

[compact shale]

Idk what husbandry means

Edit: yeah i thought it had something to do with husbands

[slow portal]

husbandry is basically animal breeding if I'm not mistaken

[frigid tinsel]

so animal farming.
idk why my wikipedia is British

[slow portal]

ok well part of it is breeding so it's really more raising livestock

[frigid tinsel]

Lapis missed the cursed teeth moths

[compact shale]

🪥 🦷

[tulip aspen]

very true!
ig that's kinda a symbol lolol, but what i mean is a symbol the ancestors commonly used

salem (meganbless) has already proven time and time again the devs are consistent with many symbols meaning specific utilities and figures, so if we get a skykid figure in the first murals in the game (the intro) imo nothing else is a skykid in ancestor murals unless it shows a specifically winged character

im still heavily convinced about goldie from prophecy, and what and who being the Chosen One entails (the one who would be crowned and given the power to save them all)

[half shadow]

I am a teeth moth truther and I’m not afraid to say it

[tulip aspen]

i mean cows dont marry but yeah close enough

[tulip aspen]

light spheres could be weaker sources of light than actual light creatures (which butterflies are, and compact ones at that)

[half shadow]

I feel like a potential reason to favor light storage in the form of butterflies over open flames of light could be that you don’t have to rely on a candle

[rapid arrow]

Hi sorry if your sleeping but I also thought about something pertaining to this

In the isles there is a cavern type thing that hold a winged light and a couple of candles. And surrounding that cavern are some sand dunes. Could underneath the sand dunes possibly be more caverns for the ancestor spirits to live in?

[rustic heron]

I saw, and I 100% confirm this is the next Season. Season of Dental Hygeine. Toothbrush accessory you were on your back. Extra teeth for all Sky kids.

Dentist Spirit Guide. The Season is about cleaning the giant manta's teeth.

Did I mention tooth Accessories? Tooth lanterns, tooth seats. You even get a cape textured with manta teeth.

[jolly anchor]

No way
Next season leak😱😱😱😱⁉️⁉️⁉️⁉️ NOW WAY❗❓❗❓❗❓❗❓❗
/J

[spring oyster]

1- good point! 2- i have no idea why my chat scrolled me back to messages from LAST MONTH so thank you for responding thoughtfully anyways 😅

[keen shore]

Was about to check in on you because you hadn’t been here all day

[hushed steeple]

I feel like the "Chosen One" might be the Corrupted king (except he wasn't corrupted back then), and he sort of went through the 4 trials to become the king.

It's also shown that a lot of people died in the trials, so I think, it was more of a, like, idk how to english it.
I guess you could say a test.
As for the Megabird, i dunno.

Megabird could be the creator, like a primordial entity of light, and the skykids are her children.
Whereas Resh (who's now corrupted) is her enemy.

[rustic heron]

Concept art rustled my jimmies, but Tom Zhou kicked my tuckus and now I'm on better terms with the concept art.

[frigid tinsel]

glad you're back

[hushed steeple]

didn't mean to reply hhh

[keen shore]

EDEN BOAT UPDATE: found a boat with extremely similar square indentations around forgotten ark, but no paint (this doesn’t mean much, could’ve easily been washed off). So you might think “oh this is a lifeboat. This makes sense considering it is around forgotten ark and a massive disaster happened in Eden that people were fleeing from.” To which I answer…

No. None of the other boats in this area have those square indentations, their sides are either completely smooth or have the single diamond characteristic of prairie or isle boats. I also went to the shipwreck to double check — there’s really only one lifeboat there, which surprised me — and same thing. The shipwreck boat has darkstone. Somehow I’m even more baffled than before

To my knowledge this is the ONLY boat in game that resembles the Eden boats. Why

[hushed steeple]

Oo I like the squares one.

[tulip aspen]

great ideas!

[keen shore]

There are two questions I currently cannot answer

1. why do the Eden boats look like that
2. why am I going insane over boats

[hushed steeple]

So I'm wondering, where Eden could be. Is it above the sky, the clouds, or what?

It seems to be like, the Underworld

[tulip aspen]

👀 👀 👀 👀 👀 👀 👀 👀
salem researching up Ws as always

[rustic heron]

Forgotten Ark was escaping Eden, and was the only one to make it out.

[frigid tinsel]

could be possible the Ark was going to Eden and that boat was their escort

[keen shore]

Oh neat side note! Door 1 is the entrance to the shipwrights house, door 2 is in the boogie kid area. Not sure why they’re so similar, just discovered this today as I was checking isle for boats

[tulip aspen]

Eden is upon a mountaintop yep!

[rapid arrow]

I’ve also been trying to make a map of what sky as a whole might look like as a whole. Anyone have any ideas

[rustic heron]

One of the Q&A sessions has a full map of Sky.

[frigid tinsel]

there are some maps floating around that are of debatable verity

[keen shore]

Hmmm, escort boats is a neat idea I haven’t considered… My first thoughts on this is that we’d probably find more escort boats around the temples but I could be wrong. It is weird that there’s only one

[tulip aspen]

yea exactly it's frankly great they visually made the models of the lifeboats represent what lifeboats were in Eden

that may have explained why they appeared at ark but then that raises the question of why they existed in Eden......

salem, this lifeboat problem may be your next spearcase

[hushed steeple]

So Orbit and Ascent could be heaven, like a place where the skykid ascends.

Maybe the the "child" in the black void could be the remains of what Resh used to be. A ghost, maybe.

And it helps us ascend

[rustic heron]

The King has some nasty mood swings.

[rapid arrow]

Also can I save this for personal reference for an ocs story, and for explaining some Sky lore to my friend who knows nothing (I really like your map)

[keen shore]

Everyone else in this chat: I am going to find an in-depth explanation about god, the disaster, and who the king was
Me: what’s going on with these boats???

[tulip aspen]

excruciatingly debatable

many imply prairie and forest are on floating islands or continents, and many dont, which is my biggest annoyance with how varying each map is; all, even/especially ones made by TGC japan and netease from China, are essentially fanmade

[harsh pecan]

Lol

[tulip aspen]

thanks i worked really hard on it 😵‍💫

and of course!

[hushed steeple]

I think the birds that fly in eden, are a sign of hope. To show that we haven't lost yet. Again, it's just a speculation

Also, if Eden is a mountain top, why are there pipes and stuff

[rustic heron]

Hey, I have an exceedingly important question: Do birds and mantas produce bodily waste in Sky?

[compact shale]

That's what green light is, apparently.

edit: in the case of mantas, that is.

[frigid tinsel]

if they do, they're made of light, so i'd imagine their waste would instantly burn

[livid pelican]

yup

[tulip aspen]

they built many many structures into it

in my map, you'll see that the vault, which is the sixth level of the game, is actually an underground elevator underneath the mountain going all the way to the peak of it

[rapid arrow]

Eden brings me much comfort. No idea why. It feels weird but nice.

[rustic heron]

I was just imagining an Ancestor, on their merry way, and they get the business end of an absolute unit of a manta directly on them.

[livid pelican]

Peace in chaos

[harsh plover]

probably what they eat is used more as energy that allows them to produce light

[keen shore]

Other assorted boat fun facts:

• the wide, flat boat pulled by light creatures is only found in the wind paths, meaning the talented shipbuilder likely altered boats for that purpose AND that they weren’t a thing in base game isle or prairie.
• Lifeboats and boats that aren’t meant to be used constantly in general often don’t have darkstone [this is shown by scattered lifeboats and the boats on display in the isle temple] This could be a sign of darkstone rarity.
• Larger boats often have larger and more darkstone, which helps float their weight better :+)

[frigid tinsel]

the music that plays after we die is very soothing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsGDdaQbkrQ

[rustic heron]

Eden was once the likely spiritual center of Sky. What happened within was very much a sacrilegious act.

[hushed steeple]

Hmmm, also the floating castle, it looks like a bunch of rocks. It could've served the purpose as Resh's home, but then, why would a corrupted entity live in Orbit?

[hushed steeple]

And it could've failed, causing the storm to arise

[frigid tinsel]

there's a quip from one of the devs that states the king "is not around to be saved" or "cannot be saved." so they're not in Orbit

[livid pelican]

It could be that Resh wasn't corrupted in the first place, something corrupted them and lead to Eden

[tulip aspen]

Eden brought me a lot of comfort as well when I first played through

it was the fight of my life but because I had taken so much time preparing and gathering winged light and friends and experiences all around the kingdom, I was just so ready for it

at first, I really had to leave that I was supposed to win and that I could win and that I was so prepared to
but as it got harder and harder to fight back against the storm, I realized that it's okay to give up
that I had already tried so hard and lived such a full 'life'

so when I died I wasn't so scared

[rapid arrow]

Eden I imagine was more or less like a capital to the sky kingdom. Where a lot happened.

[hushed steeple]

There's also a chance that Resh might've died because of the darkness infesting his body, which explains "not there to be saved"

[half shadow]

Not in the way real animals do! Firstly we don’t have any evidence of them eating anything, so I’d imagine they don’t need to physically eat anything and instead live off of Light power. I’m pretty sure the only evidence we’ve seen of a creature independently producing it’s own collectible Light motes is the Mosaic Eel, and the Light is blue. We could also count the clams technically, as they are animals as well.

[harsh pecan]

Yep

[keen shore]

So neat thing about Eden. Despite most people calling it a city, there aren’t nearly as much buildings compared to places like Valley, which is a known city. This could be either because the storm has destroyed much of the pre existing architecture or because Eden just was never a city in the first place

[harsh plover]

It’s good to be back here in the lore chat…

[hushed steeple]

Because, I kind of feel like corruptionf starts draining your energy, slowly killing you

[rapid arrow]

I watched a video on Eden but my first time through I was still a bit panicky. But my second time through I was ok the whole time

[frigid tinsel]

this is Sky, everyone is already dead. we're not saving their lives, we're saving their souls, the spirits. as long as the soul is around, skykids can save them.
for the king to be beyond saving, then something must have compromised their soul.

[rustic heron]

Does anyone have a copy on hand of the mural doc?

[harsh pecan]

If he died a slow and painful death then thats just sad

[keen shore]

No, I’ve never heard of that document, sorry :-( (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-yA8OdJ2NzwNc8c15sQB3UALYn3psT3c6mWgIV64jFM)

[half shadow]

there’s a mural doc??

[harsh pecan]

Yea

[rapid arrow]

I can’t ever read the murals. So I just rely on others to translate them lol

[hushed steeple]

Exactly. I think it's the darkness, but it could be smn else too

[keen shore]

Two vastly different interpretations of the king not being able to be saved:

• something really bad and on a completely different level from other ancestors happened to them
• we are the king

[rustic heron]

Ah, a shame. Must've been my imagination. If only someone had painstakingly taken the time and effort to compile a masterlist of all the murals in the game.

A pipedream, I suppose. There truly are no heroes. (Thanks, mural master).

[half shadow]

Oh Salem if you need it I’m happy to donate my manta facility mural screenshot to the document

[keen shore]

I already have that screenshot! But thank you very much for the offer :3c

[rapid arrow]

The we are the king would make sense with that scene in Eden

[half shadow]

cool cool! it’s been a bit since I’ve looked through all the murals I’m gonna be scrolling thru this

[hushed steeple]

the second one kinda feels cool. Imagine being the king, and not knowing it heheh

[keen shore]

Fun additional facts! The symbol used to denote the king in prophecy murals and the symbols used to denote us are near identical in murals, with the only difference being that we have winged light and they don’t. Also, the constellation used to represent the king in the vault elder cutscene and the constellation used to represent our friends are the same!

[frigid tinsel]

i avoided Eden for two weeks

[rapid arrow]

I also just want to to know why Eden looks so exploded-

[frigid tinsel]

pointes at corrupted red diamond. long story short, that's why

[half shadow]

Ohohohoho 👀 I’ve always been super interested in the murals and various symbols used within but hadn’t had an easy way to look through them all, I think they’re easily one of the coolest ways of giving exposition, even if they’re vague. Sort of makes me feel like a scientist uncovering ancient cave paintings and trying to parse what they’re showing

[rapid arrow]

A so big red diamond said no

[frigid tinsel]

as Lapis said, someone did something sacriligious

[half shadow]

more like sacrilicious

[harsh pecan]

I avoided Eden for 4 months

[rapid arrow]

That makes sense

So maybe the diamond exploded and then Collapsed back in on itself causing the storm. Like a black hole?

[frigid tinsel]

all the TS you must've missed out on

[half shadow]

Interesting point, as black hole imagery featured prominently in concept art of Eden! Astronomy metaphors seem to be very apt

[rapid arrow]

Astronomy my beloved

[harsh pecan]

Yes….I only spent my AC on the travelling spirits with cosmetics I wanted but it eventually ran out

[half shadow]

I also spent a super long time rambling about black holes, mantas, and how dark creatures are created yesterday but I do not fault anybody for not wanting to read through all of my essays lmao

[keen shore]

What do you mean. I eat insteresring lorechat essays for breakfast

[rapid arrow]

Fish send me those essays and I will gladly read them

[harsh pecan]

When you finish them, tell us how long it took

[rapid arrow]

I will take notes because I like to talk to my friends about everything about sky that I find interesting

[keen shore]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message here’s the first(?) part of the essay, other parts are close by

[harsh pecan]

Youre lucky your friends actually talk about Sky

[rapid arrow]

Both are very new but they love to hear me talk about stuff so they just listen

[harsh pecan]

Nice

[frigid tinsel]

i make my grad class read sky fanfic

[livid pelican]

Dang...

[compact shale]

did anyone get it?

[rapid arrow]

I will write a sky fanfic for a final project and no one can stop me

But what if some skykids existed while the ancestor spirits were alive

[frigid tinsel]

gestures to Chosen One

[rapid arrow]

Beside the chosen one

[half shadow]

OH good someone got the link, i hope they’re enjoyable and or coherent!

[harsh pecan]

They were probably sent to the trials and died, leaving the Chosen One as the only one left (at the time)

[rapid arrow]

That makes sense, considering they have the same symbol as the skykids

[harsh pecan]

Really?

[rapid arrow]

From what I remember yes though they might of just had the circle heads

[harsh pecan]

The spirits have circle heads too, the difference between skids and spirits in the murals are actually the two lines

[rapid arrow]

Right right, again I couldn’t remember

[half shadow]

I just randomly had a fit of inspiration to begin typing what I thought the timeline was starting with the chosen one until I paused and realized it was basically just what the zhao timeline already laid out with a few changes. guys i’ve got it bad for this dang game

[tulip aspen]

thats a good thing ehe

[half shadow]

speaking of ooooo boy fourth quest soon

[compact shale]

One hour before we have a really weird valentine's day

[half shadow]

happy valentine’s day from the UNFATHOMABLE DEPTHS

[compact shale]

Crappy valentine's day!

[half shadow]

Honestly though I might wait a few hours before experiencing it, I kinda like it when I can experience the quests mostly on my own or with a small amount of other skykids around. idk, just feels more atmospheric

[compact shale]

I'm experiencing it with a partner because Abyss scares the everloving honk out of me

[rancid rivet]

Wait wait, what happened in wasteland, like, what’s it’s history? Why is it krill infested? Was it always like that?

[compact shale]

Off topic but there's a fish supplement in cozy if you want that

[rapid arrow]

I feel like it was once a really pretty city and the krill were guardians of sorts

[rancid rivet]

Well looking at the whole ruined place. It looked like some sort of huge battle took place there

[rapid arrow]

I assume that is also what happened. A battle plus the combination of eden kinda going boom with dark energy

[rancid rivet]

mhm...I’m very curious about its history.

[rapid arrow]

I’m sure other people have more theories and information and such. I do not however

[rancid rivet]

Okey :]

[solar sequoia]

Can someone explain to me the lore concept behind ascended candles/wax?
And also the lore behind the enchantment season

I'm trying to build a concept in #wishlist-and-ideas-archived and I need to make sure it doesn't clash with the current concepts of the game

[harsh pecan]

Idk the lore on AC and wax sorry. For Enchantment, the spirits probably crashed in the Forgotten Ark which made them lose the lights. I heard that they tried to grow crops but failed so they y’know starved

[solar sequoia]

Did they originate from the realms we know, or do they come from another continent? Either way we can use them as a precedent that there are other continents out there, but I think it would make more sense that they came from somewhere else, since they came back bearing spells to trade

[harsh pecan]

I think they’re from the realms, the other continents idea is very interesting imo and it’s possible

[solar sequoia]

I really want this to happen. Lol. It'd make the game significantly larger, but it might be able to compete with even games like genshin impact if they offered a way to advance to new continents and explore new realms postgame

[harsh pecan]

Same- if people used to live in others continents as well then that’ll be really cool

[solar sequoia]

Well the enchantment people came back with spells. They had to get them from somewhere. And they use candles, ascended candles, and hearts for trading, which means there's a trade system that includes ascended candles. Add in that they have a whole magic system and you have a nice fantasy world you can build off of that wholly unrelated to the current sky lore that can be built up

[harsh pecan]

Yep

[compact shale]

HEY HEY HEY

LORECHAT COME ALIVE

[wet sorrel]

Lmao yes

[twilit tundra]

ALR BOYS GIMME UR BEST THEORY ON THIS QUESTION >:]

so- when youre looking for spirits, why are they in the statues when you find them? did they die? are the spirits adults? bc all the characters in sky seem to be children :0, is it possible for a sky kid to reach adulthood and not die?

[harsh pecan]

1. I don’t think those are statues, probs darkness or something
2. Yes they died
3. Most spirits were adults, but some were children/teens
4. A skid can’t age

[compact shale]

Yes the spirits are dead, presumably because of the Eden Darkness storm infecting their land.

Their souls are trapped by darkness.

[wet sorrel]

You just answered one of question spirits are smth dead and most of them died by old age idk with younger ones

[late wasp]

abyss

[twilit tundra]

y o u t h .

[harsh pecan]

The younger ones couldn’t reach adulthood (also the spirits we relive probably died from the Eden explosion and not old age)

[wet sorrel]

They kinda can but resize pot wait..

What if we need 10 accended candles to resize as a thing that we were reviving and coming back to Eden so much that we reached adult

[twilit tundra]

eden exploded?

[harsh pecan]

Most people do Eden every week so they can’t become adults in that time but maybe mentally

@twilit tundra yea it exploded

[twilit tundra]

what if the adult spirits are really just really tall kids and they just mixed a bunch of tall potions to become super tall 💀

[wet sorrel]

Prob only the ones that are near eden like in Vault or wasteland

[compact shale]

okay so 4th quest dropped/

[wet sorrel]

Spirits in eden had rough time krills and then eden exploded

[harsh pecan]

How’d they get different body types tho

[twilit tundra]

the tea thingy

some drank a lot of tea and some didnt >:]

[harsh pecan]

Tea can change your body type?

[twilit tundra]

if you drink enough 👀

[harsh pecan]

The King must’ve loved tea then

[wet sorrel]

Then they would need to Die for candles i think only our skykid what is "child of light' can rebirth in cave of prophercy we can see that we are like an Avatar like-?

Most of spirits have their own element we have all

[twilit tundra]

h how are skids born?

[harsh pecan]

Megabird made them

[wet sorrel]

Maybe normal way maybe skykid is acually child of light who knows

[harsh pecan]

The normal way?

[twilit tundra]

they just fall from the sun like a meteor

[wet sorrel]

Its same shown as rebirth so maybe at start we just rebirthed

[wet sorrel]

like human child but spirits look really human like and cant fly while skykid is speedruning life

[twilit tundra]

what if children of the dark 😳

[harsh pecan]

O h

[neat flint]

Can we talk about the latest quest

[wet sorrel]

Ok bye i still didnt see it

[harsh pecan]

Same

[wet sorrel]

Ik its spoiler chat but i dont like spoilers to seasons

[nimble ingot]

It is officially out. So I dont see why not.

[half coral]

tye new quest * cries *

[late wasp]

sky kid really has tunnel vision
20 more days until the last quest.

[mighty wyvern]

🎶 i just did a bad thing... i regret the thing i did 🎵

i lost 2 light on my way back up

[solar sequoia]

Moffs who didn't make it

[wet sorrel]

Holy i just opened the door for krill and the whale

[mighty wyvern]

you could call it a... kriller whale

[nimble ingot]

the corrupted beast? yeah, we might have a problem ^^'

[twilit tundra]

what if theres an epic fight between a whale and a krill

[mighty wyvern]

the lore implications of this giga krill is very concerning

[wet sorrel]

I feel bad they are so happy when i made one of worst thing you could do

[mighty wyvern]

does this beast have a name? cause i've just been calling it giga krill

[wet sorrel]

Iam calling it the whale

Or just big boi

[twilit tundra]

guys what if a skid was able to turn their light into darkness but still like- live

ground: children of the dark >>

[mighty wyvern]

mission: krill everything

[nimble ingot]

There is no official name as far as I know. So frankly we can call it what ever we like until TGC would clear it up.
So far the names I heard were king krill, mega krill, beast, giga krill etc.

[wet sorrel]

What if skykid would live like any other spirit to not kill himself in alot ways

[cloud siren]

ultrakrill

[nimble ingot]

Elder Dark Dragon lol

[wet sorrel]

I love how krill acuall name is Dark dragon but ppl where like
Nah that's a killer shimp

[mighty wyvern]

the lore of sky just keeps getting deeper and deeper (pun not intended)

[cloud siren]

Kriller shrimp

[nimble ingot]

That is what happens when a nickname stick better than the actual name.

[mighty wyvern]

let's be honest, krill is a much better name anyways

[wet sorrel]

Even emote of krill are named krill not Dark dragon

[mighty wyvern]

i think it would be cool if we could cure the krill or something

[wet sorrel]

When i was moth i thought you somehow would Cure crab to be your buddy what just vibes and dont attack by burning it

[nimble ingot]

That is true and the game also calls them dark dragons.
The problem is players are more likely to call it a krill instead of the ingame name.

[wet sorrel]

So much crabs suffered

[mighty wyvern]

funny thing is i've never actually called them dragons. the first time i saw them, when i started the game, i was immediately like "that's a krill"

it's just so... krill-y

[wet sorrel]

Same but i watched some yt of sky to see if anyone plays it too and everyone were calling it krill first time i saw the name Dark dragon was in daily mission and i was abit confused

[mighty wyvern]

yeah, i was like "wait is that what they're actually called?"

[wet sorrel]

I was just honking everywhere the world to find it and then i though wait what can see you wait.. krill first look at me then attack so i ran to wasteland

[mighty wyvern]

it's funny how such a simple creature can instill fear into people's hearts with one look

[wet sorrel]

Iam not really scared of krill but when i was moth oh boi

I didnt expect this game to turn Dark and smth can acually kill me there

[mighty wyvern]

the shift in tone from the valley to the wasteland is so dramatic

[wet sorrel]

Valley is soo colorfull and full of life

While wasteland looks like WW3 happend there

Sometimes i think that krill maybe is corrupted worm thing from when you fly in eden

Its preety sad that the worm thingie isn't anywhere else but its really strong but it destroyed building and krill destroyed whole castle

[mighty wyvern]

isn't it a whale that hits the building?

[covert oar]

Whale krill?
Whrill

[wet sorrel]

I just call them Pure worm

[tulip aspen]

am i gonna have to avoid this chat until i do the quest smh

i wanted to be able to chill in here for a bit but prolly not rip

[nimble ingot]

The early bird gets the worm

[nimble ingot]

At least you can be the second mouse to get the cheese

[covert oar]

Then my advice for ya is to avoid all chats, i just got spoiler from someone making a joke between valentines day and stuff about the quest

[wet sorrel]

So only night owl will be alive

[late wasp]

i lost 4 WLs today, effectively making this quest harder than Eden

[wet sorrel]

Lmao my autocorrect to night is light

[covert oar]

So they took this pure creature and mixed with dark crystal to make that whale we saw in quest? Why??

[wet sorrel]

I lost none wha-

Do you swim good or even just can

[nimble ingot]

That is unlucky.
I was circling and dancing with the krill so casually.

[late wasp]

i don't think the ancestors created it tbh
it is possible given how they said Jurassic Park was an inspiration too.

[wet sorrel]

You just need to be in the plants for some time to not drown

[late wasp]

anyways, it is nice that Season of Abyss gave us barrier lore, making the level barriers make more sense

[wet sorrel]

WAIT WHAT IF BARRIERS ARE MADE SO KRILLS WONT GO TO OTHER WORLDS

That's why krills are only on wasteland and eden but eden is locked and only some of krills went to wasteland

[covert oar]

A crazy idea but I think the big one might be a type of dark fish
Would make sense if krill is a type of shrimp inspiration and fish are bigger than shrimps
So maybe its a fish rather than a whale
But just my speculation due to the emoji name did they give this creature a name btw?

[wet sorrel]

Its a whale

[covert oar]

Ohhh nvm my idea then,
Thx!!!

[nimble ingot]

wait, could it be?

[covert oar]

What is that on the ground?

[wet sorrel]

I just said the acuall name of it but there is no really orginall name to it

i will just keep calling it Pure worm

[nimble ingot]

I think that was another dark creature from this concept art.
They were a bit more creepy than the krill. I am not sure if this is a scrapped creature or an early concept of a dark creature that predated the krill.

I gotta say, the dark creatures remind me of the anomalies from the game, Death Stranding

[wet sorrel]

Oh god imagine Dark creature that you need to keep beging on things or it will chomp you

[lime gull]

So…
That mission 🙂

[wet sorrel]

[nimble ingot]

Those dark creatures in the earlier image had to be burned away like dark plants.
There is also this that suggested that some creatures needed a group of skykids to defeat.

[wet sorrel]

Scary

[covert oar]

Isnt this the same creature we find in fire trial? emoji and image doesnt look the same to me , but idk what those are aswell

[wet sorrel]

The creature in fire trial darkness look even you can say fluffy and he not really look fluffy

[lime gull]

Can someone pls explain to me the lore of abyss pls

[nimble ingot]

Perhaps.
The concept art is a tar like creature, while the fire trail shadows are a gaseous type of creature.

[lime gull]

I have seen concept of art where sky kids head into earth and the krills are a result of pollution

[nimble ingot]

Scavengers arrived on an island where ancestors once used as mine and some kind of research facility.
The island was flooded and the elder creature at the bottom, or inside, the island became corrupted.

[lime gull]

So…what’s the goal then? Jsut too collect resources?

I seriously want and need a story mode version of sky

WAIT WAIT what if this is Levi/ruby!?

[eternal totem]

The same thing?

[wet sorrel]

There is in new quest some wall paint showing gigant amount of spirits under water what locked mantas maybe to find way to stop corrupt and the locked away krill and whale are the mantas they found way to corrupt

[lime gull]

Aside from the whale in sanctuary they’re both pretty the same size

[nimble ingot]

That is most of us are theorising about.
Speaking form experience, one can theorise one something in a season all day and night.
But the full scope of the story is revealed at the end of the season.
So, for the time being, most theories will about what has happened so far (with some spoilers/teasers occasionally popping up).

[eternal totem]

We haven’t seen whale depicted in murals, so I’m not entirely sure

[lime gull]

Also this and Levi/ruby have similar characteristics

[wet sorrel]

Whale maybe were a secret to dont scare normal spirits that live on island

[eternal totem]

I don’t understand

[lime gull]

Ah ok. But seriously what’s the gonna be the end…

[true grove]

Waiting for the concept art for abyss

[wet sorrel]

If somone would tell me there is gigant creature what can destroy whole country i would be scared

[lime gull]

SKY ART BOOK I SAY!

[nimble ingot]

There is one and another.
The corrupted one:
#lore-discussion-spoilers message
And an uncorrupted version of the creature, as it seems:
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[eternal totem]

Oh I never noticed there was a difference in the mural, so maybe it is!

[cloud siren]

thought i was hanging out with xol for a moment when i first saw it

[nimble ingot]

which game is this? 👀

[cloud siren]

anyway random question but is there still supposed to be a krill in the out of bounds area under the office? putting it here bc it seems like a spoiler

@ raider: destiny 2

[nimble ingot]

It is a bit of both, but I don't see an issue with mentioning it here.

That krill is a Halloween krill of the office.
When not in use, it gets moved OOB.

[cloud siren]

[main nest]

It has to rest for it's yearly toilet ascend

[cloud siren]

i yeeted myself under the building to try find him but alas he is slumbering under the clouds

[tawny lake]

usually people think this is a diamond like the other masks, but i just found out it could be a third eye too- i mean its anubis, if it is a third eye, why would there be no hole for this mask

[half shadow]

hi everyone here to say two things

1. OHHHHHHHHHMYGOD ITS BETTER THAN ANYTHING IVE EVER IMAGINED IT COULD BE AAAAAAAAAAA

2. i officially cast my vote for “kriller whale” because that’s genius

and now i gotta sleep HECK

[tawny lake]

where do you get these oh ok

[nimble ingot]

Tom Zhao's website. He made concept art for the game back when it was called Ligth Awaits.
Not all of the image would fit into the current lore, due to changed during the Global release.

https://www.tomzhao.com/

[half shadow]

—no no wait. let’s call this thing the leviathan. get it biblical up in here

levvy for short. okay now i need to sleep for real it’s almost four am and i’m losing my mind and have so many things to say but i NEED TO SLEEP

[nimble ingot]

for you fish, I'll add it to the growing list

[wet sorrel]

Kriller Levi

[slow portal]

so what are we all calling big fish

[wet sorrel]

What about Uncle Levi

This is how i gonna call him now

[nimble ingot]

when it catches you, will you say uncle?

[boreal nebula]

Da HONK just happened

I was taking a break on today's quest to light the Mega krill with a spell lantern.... An somehow I got hocked to it 🎣 and he unwilling dragged me inside that cage

[wet sorrel]

Uncle Levi is coming to beat us up

Uncle Levi is mad becuse he ate to much Dark crystals now he have stomachache

[boreal nebula]

Was Summer Light Lantern conceived like a fishing rod?🤣 🤣 🤣

[wet sorrel]

uncle please dont chomp me to death

[nimble ingot]

Are you saying you were fishing and caught the darn mega leviathan!!? XD

[boreal nebula]

No... I'm saying I was (Mega) Krill watching and somehow lantern light or screeshots tangled me to It

In Mothersea of Abyss, Megakrill is fishing you🤣 🤣

[boreal nebula]

Finished quest, so proud of TGC

Checking next quest release date...
..21 days..

Why, TGC? Why?!
|| I mean.. today was even Valentine's day, I might've liked more another hiatus week now rather than vice versa||

[hushed steeple]

firebringer narrator voice uncle levi’s kriffin’ scary. He’s so kriffin’ scary we wrote a whole kriffin’ song all a kriffin’ bout it

[nimble ingot]

I am curious, if the king krill/leviathan is not out and about, where is it now?

Would it be swimming around the border?
It might be too big to reach it, so it would be in the chamber it was in originally?
I am curious to why there is a krill at the very bottom of the door. I understand why the others are in their places. Such as the the one in the chamber, the ones in the ruins all server as hazards for the skykid to avoid while exploring the ruins. But the one at the bottom of the door.

I do hope the AI for that krill does not cause it to aggro on skykids swimming above it, like the others in graveyard.

[timid river]

On the name for the big krill, my friends and I nicknamed it "Mama Krill"
Just to put that out therr

[nimble ingot]

How to avoid getting Krilled.
1- Dont get caught in their blue lights
2- Break line of sight as fast as you can when caught in their red light.
3- Dont fly behind them or touch them.
4- Dont fly over them.

When caught out in the open by krill, do the following (Note: you need to be a competent flyer to pull this off.)
1- Get some distance between you and the krill, the further you are away the more time you have to react.
2- Take off. For the next step, you need to be gliding in the air, not hovering. While it is doable, it is more difficult to do the next step on the ground.
3- DODGE. When the krill starts charging, make a sharp turn by barrel rolling and fly away as fast as possible. If done right, you avoid getting hit. (Optionally, instead of flying away like a bat from hell, you can get into the air high enough and prepare to do an emote that will get you to ground fast. Try emotes such as the spinning mentor emote or faint emote before hand (by falling the ground that fast, the krill cannot correct its course to hit you).

Alternatively, players can quickly close the app (not intentional gameplay, but still an option). Or use the krill repellent spell. Take note, the spell works best when cast before the krill charged, otherwise you may get hit while casting the spell.

[boreal nebula]

Giving us an amazing hazardous way to enjoy the deep dark depth

[boreal nebula]

Damn, I thought only I figured out the emote fall to shake them off. It's the most longliving glitch to get saved just in case of being caught out in the open (a moment of silence for the Home Glitch... Always in our hearts )

I think this is a valid proof that krill clipping out/phasing through solid is just an unavoidable game mechanics

Or else the theory about this being a basic skill wouldnt explain why they didn't escape sooner out of containment

I like how 7 is a recurring number ||BTW 7 looks like the Ebrew letter for Resh||

I've even checked out, there are 7 floors ! We deactivate floor 6, go to 5, side track to climb to 4, need to pass 4 & 3 unarmed and exit from 2 (but we can reach 1 too, it's the hall inside the Tower/Lighthouse door)

Nothing special on floor 1 tho

[nimble ingot]

Krills hacking has been a thing for a looong time.
Frankly, I understand a creature that large and complex with what it does would inevitably clip though things.
But here lies the problem, krills that are known to fly near obstacles are notorious for occasionally clipping through them.
Case and point, the krill going around the vertical pipe in Eden. The krill at the very top of Eden. The krill on the for right that goes back and forth on the pipes in the Graveyard. The krill the other end of the graveyard that goes around (or thorugh) the hollow hill where you relive the stealthy survivor. And now the ones in the Abyss area ruins.

Fair enough, when they charge, they go all out and end far from where they are expected to go back, which leads them to clipping through terrain.
Though if the devs are aware of a krills' path would end up going through a wall, why not make it look like the krill would borruw or go through a tunnel.

The krill must be the more hostile and annoying creatures in gameplay history.
I wonder if there is list to compare?

[boreal nebula]

This watch room had a pretty clear clue to me, it seems like a cog (lowkey hiped to see it spin) and it's what powers/makes the door work!

[nimble ingot]

does it have 6 spokes?

[boreal nebula]

But we had to remove it anyway to join the crew😅 😅

Idk why, but I think this is the peek of comedy, they made a party for us getting the biggest power diamond.... and yet me really messed up ||and at this moment we dont know ... how much me messed up 🤣 🤣 🤣 ||

[boreal nebula]

Bad angle, they have 8, like in maybe the most elegant pictures of cog wheels have ⚙

Also the spinnin switch from 8p doors have 8 "magnets" around the crystal

[boreal nebula]

FIXED : check bellow

@nimble ingot At that moment I didn't know....
||I was reeled up inside||

well, actually I knew at the moment I shot the lost WL

[nimble ingot]

There is something I wanted to ask and comment on badly.
But have to wait until the final quest is out, as it seems like the leviathan is still as elusive as it is scary.
It really reminds me a bit of a creature from subnautica, except it has not acted aggressive so far in the game of Sky.

On the one hand I wanted to see what this creature looks like up close (which I have in OOB, but beside the point), and on the other I want it to react to the player.
Whether it is investigating this small figure that gives off light, or even fainting attack by snapping at skykids would make this creature not only look scary, but mean it too.
It is a little bit of a let down that such a large creature in sky, does not have a lot of interaction with skykids.
It feels like the smaller a creature is, the more skykids can interact with them (ex. butterflies and crabs), but larger creatures like the whale, elder manta and the elder bird, hardly get any interactions with skykids. They just keep their distance, and it is not them, but the devs purposely doing this.
The whale makes brief appearances and would rather trample skykids instead of letting them get a good long look. The elder manta just going around the edge or the area and never let skykids interact with it, it does not even have collision so it may as well be a mirage. 😦

The elder bird is the worst victim seeing that no player beyond the season of Rhythm would ever see it in the game.
This bird here, was teased in season of flight. There is even a sticker for it.
I would understand if there was a bigger reason to why this magnificent creature was absent from the game for 2 years.

It was only seen in a cutscene and never again after the season ended.
This is the biggest question I had since I heard about it in the lore.

Why is this creature not in the game?

[boreal nebula]

I think it's a pretty complex calculatiom to make, maybe to heavy to render

For example even mantas shadow is just a circle, because it the easiest shadow casting possiblem a squere shadow is a a circle from any angle

A cube shadow... it's completely different difficulty , this video might get you and idea how difficult it can be
https://youtu.be/ltLUadnCyi0?t=1818

[boreal nebula]

About the Emote Falling*

[nimble ingot]

That sounds reasonable.
Referencing Subnautica, the larger creatures are known to occasionally clip out of bounds when they are caught in an area that is either too small of them, or the AI thinks that way when it is in a weird corner of an open space.
That and the game of subnautica seems to be very demanding when it comes to rendering creatures.

[late wasp]

I know this is the case, but being more strict about lore: it's the barrier force field that was keeping the krill, not the masonry.

[nimble ingot]

The spiritual forcefield is new to the lore. I follow what you are saying.
I am curious if this is a diamond thing or part of the machinery. Seeing the forcefield is still up after removing the diamond, I am not sure if it was meant to go down, or not.

[harsh pecan]

Dang I should really catch up, I dont even know what happens in the new quest

[late wasp]

imo it's the same type of magic/tech as the level barriers lol
only now it was properly addressed

[fervent mortar]

What happens if you swim too close to the leviathan

[nimble ingot]

You can touch it. Though getting to it usually mean you end up out of breath.
Unless you can warp to friends.

[boreal nebula]

well, sadly, the bigger the creature, the harder the animation can be. For example look at the mantas who sometimes twist themselves too much and easily get a bug

About getting a bug, by each update there are little things that glitch more and more, like some spirits getting weirder hands and altering heads (sadly visible in Blowkissing Actor) and maybe little by little even the "Elder Manta" around Sanctuary shifted a bit into what we can do now.
But back then it was just diving behind a windwall. I wonder if this little by little shift causes mantas to clip/phase through solids too (like for example those kidnapping us on Prairie village)

So I wouldn't even wager a penny on the "mirage" thing you fear

[tawny lake]

can someone explain why the guardian with the spear is on the danger side? on the second picture it says that the warrior will hold onto the dark creatures while we run away. Isn't that basically helping us? or does it also hurt us when we go near them???

[nimble ingot]

*Remembering the cosmic manta glitch...

I see what you mean.

[boreal nebula]

Seen in a cutscene?

Where? In a trailer?

[late wasp]

because ancestors are borderline dark creatures
check out the other concept arts

[nimble ingot]

That is an early design concept of the elder of the Golden Wasteland.
Who was once called Tsadi (the name is no longer canon though)

[boreal nebula]

Ahh... moustaches mantas

[tawny lake]

I know that it is an early design of the wasteland elder but i still dont get why hes dangerous

[nimble ingot]

Here it is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rozpvn71g7Y

[late wasp]

it is referring to shape / appearance
not gameplay

[boreal nebula]

BTW thanks for that Elder Bird.. I never seen the sticker soo big

[tawny lake]

then wouldnt wasteland elder look more dangerous then the crab

[late wasp]

as I said, shape/appearance
not gameplay

you really have to see the other concept arts to contextualize

[boreal nebula]

Ah, you mean the "Rhythm Eagle", I thinnk they might be different or at least different stages of the same one

For example on the stickers it seems to have 4 winds and more yellow features/feathers

[nimble ingot]

oh, you mean the scale above?
I suppose that is a scale for for developers to use when establishing what elements would be considered safe for the players to identify. Such as the elder is just before the turrets, which means the elders are helpful, but might have been considered to be either neutral or borderline dangerous to players.
I am not sure to be honest, this is just me speculating.

While that might no longer apply to the current lore. Despite the helpful role the elders fill in they might still be considered less connected to the light as a skykid would be.

[tawny lake]

I saw all of them there and as i said wouldnt the elder look more dangerous than the crab? The crab is second dangerous and its still on the shape/appearance

[tawny lake]

Oh ok got it

[late wasp]

That is not a scale of how dangerous someone is, but how dangerous they look.
a few images earlier they explain how roundness represents stuff that are friendly, while spikes represents things that are hostile.
They also associate roundness with light and creatures (megabird being a circle)
and Dark Stone with spikes.

This is about their design

[nimble ingot]

I suppose you are right.

It would have been amazing if the season did not end the way it did.
The bird theme, the krill hint, then the flop with the manta all left a salty taste in the mouth.
I should rather leave it there.

[boreal nebula]

I hope devs will add Elder Bird and the Rhythm counter part too in the future

Or for example just adding a little model of the "chariot" we see on the Rhythm Final Cutscene, adding it either to Talented Builder's or Sleepy Builder's workshops, hinting that they (Talented could be the best suited for the job) worked on the creation of that

[late wasp]

Also why some countries design their nuclear waste sites to have spikes

[boreal nebula]

D'OH! I shared the wrong video

[tawny lake]

please dont use bold words infront of me

and i know you mean the design about the sharpness and roundness. But jut asking, which one has more spikes the early version of the gw elder or the crab? The wasteland elder would have more spikes and shapes, so wouldn't the wasteland elder be higher on the chart? and you still havent answer my question

also i think it is more related to color than the shape since the higher ones are darker blue colors, than the spikes, if it was by appearance it would be wasteland elder on the highest. not the rocks. so im thinking more of the color than the spikes

[wide owl]

Hi everyone, I have a question. The other day I saw some images of the maps saying "Beore and after corruption" What corrupted sky? What is the theory about it?? (:

[late wasp]

It is implied the giant red crystal in Eden exploded, causing a Storm that destroyed most of the kingdom.

[wide owl]

Wow! Why did it explode ? Was it some kind of Sky experiment that went wrong?? OR dark creature?? :0

[boreal nebula]

In a video I saw from the beta channels during development you could even enter into his mouth and belly

[late wasp]

in short there are 2 big theories, and a variety of lesser ones.

the first theory is based on a concept art that shows the beam of light leading to Orbit is natural to the world, and creatures migrate there to ascend to Orbit - an event we see in game - the place is thus called holy site. the ancestors tried to absorb all that light into one of their power crystals, in hopes of generating all power they could dream of. but the crystal could not withstand all the energy and exploded, causing the storm.

the second theory is also based on another concept art showing an early design timeline, and cave of prophecy murals; this theory believes the King used the crystal to create the beam of light, but the crystal could not withstand the task and exploded, causing the storm.

lesser theories go all over the place, like one of mine that believe the King tried to become an Artificial Megabird (God). there are some hints in game, but it's a niche theory.

[tawny lake]

ive also found these pictures in the site, is the eden elder battle thingy that i heard about or is it something different, is the eden elder trying to stop the sky kid from going farther? or is it not the eden elder

or is it that the sky kid is defeating the elder in order to stop the storm???

[nimble ingot]

So it has a mouth?
Huh, the whale also has a mouth.

Can it use it?
I suppose it wont tell use just yet. lol

[boreal nebula]

The Belly of The Beast (BETA)
#beta-screenshots-videos message

||A little be scrolling up there is how the Abyss Ship could have look like too ||

[wide owl]

Wow, those are some awesome theories!!1 Thanksss

[late wasp]

no second hole, so dark creatures do not produce bodily wastes

[boreal nebula]

I think it Megakrill might be the only case of Whale/Elder Manta corrupted, because it shows some similarities to both

Its horns reminds me the ones of Whale and tail of the Elder Manta

[boreal nebula]

LOL, Perhaps

Corrals do not have a number 2, but the water enters from a "mouth" and is filtered out from many pores, so "waste" water does exit... We need a microscope in game 🔬

[late wasp]

darkstone is krills' #2

[boreal nebula]

It was studied the possibility of a Boss Fight if I recall it, in order to pierce through the Corrupted King and redeem the Prince, but there is very little we know there the Development choices

[wind sluice]

I felt like this needed some lore chat support, but I found this INSIDE of my alt account skykid?? I have never seen it before, sorry if this is dumb or well-known lol

[boreal nebula]

Correct video about Emote Falling®

Rate my dive

[nimble ingot]

Sorry for missing this one.

I like how the concept looks like the skykid and the king are the only characters onscreen, implying they are fighting.
However, when looking at the timeline and the subtle details leading up to eden, for Light Awaits at least, there is a third element to consider.
There is a large corrupted creature prowling in the clouds.
It is the king fighting a corrupted creature, whereas the skykid is caught in the middle of while trying to save the king.

All of that is unfortunately changed during the global release. Whereas the king is no longer there to be saved according to a dev qoute (I dont have here, though can look for it if anyone needs a source).
Ergo, what might be the ending has changed, or at least been pushed back for the game to run longer without revealing its ending.

[late wasp]

the last section of eden still feels like a fight thankfully
since you can time your big calls in a way to keep moving longer

[boreal nebula]

As I said there are elements really weird in the megakrill tail and horns

So maybe Megakrill could be a corrupted whale. What could be then a Krill original form?

[boreal nebula]

Don't worry ,it is not dumb, I found this too long ago. it might be tied to some old partof development during Light Awaits (Old Beta ) was a pattern used in our caper too , even before Season of Belongings

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[hushed steeple]

A FISH KRILL???!

thats the thing that escaped thru the hole in ground right

[boreal nebula]

It really looks like the beast the king was fighting in a mural concept of Vault final cutscene

[orchid jolt]

I can't know for sure, but it could mean that it is (i guess) more dangerous physically maybe? Like, how an evil teddy bear would be less physically dangerous than a kindhearted creature made of knives. It could also mean that the spirits may have originally drained some of our energy when we are near them (now they can charge us) or just that they are closer to the darkness than they are to the light. but idk really.

[hushed steeple]

what does the mural look like

[orchid jolt]

I think they were refering to this concept art, specifically the bottom one (note: concept art isnt automatically canon to the current game):

[hushed steeple]

THATS COOL ASH

[orchid jolt]

since we seem to be sharing leviathon photos:
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[boreal nebula]

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5cf9836e9d1c5200018df596/1582059679982-LA1B7UD6JYG99COWDM9A/194_Sky.jpg

Took from Tom Zhao's Website

[orchid jolt]

A while ago, i managed to clip into a solid part of the leviathon:

[hushed steeple]

reminds me of the huge flying thing u see when u fly to the wasteland lobby and in this one prairie scene with bunch of birds that i do not know the name of

[boreal nebula]

I don't think there is much importance but there are markings on the door power source

[orchid jolt]

https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/Creatures#Whales
here it is commonly reffered to as a Coalecenth. also, i dont know what you mean by the prairie scene, do you mean the area in forest? do you mean the creature in sanctuary?

[boreal nebula]

Reaction here call it Whale and we usually keep that name

[hushed steeple]

like its in forest that remind me of prarie is what i meant! its the secret area u find by stomping on floor

[orchid jolt]

while it is usually called a whale, it is commonly called a coalecenth here too. its less common than calling it a whale, but still relatively common

[hushed steeple]

thx for telling me the names yall use in the chat tho

[orchid jolt]

yep, go to the link i sent and look at the photos of it! you'll see the photo of it you're thinking of

[craggy saddle]

I’m a bit confused there’s such thing as a boss battle in Eden? Or is it just Beta, those pictures of the king fighting your sky kid

[orchid jolt]

in case the link somehow doesnt work:

[hushed steeple]

thats the whale yes

[orchid jolt]

its only from concept art. it was never in light awaits (to my knowledge) (light awaits is the version of sky from before it was gloabaly released, versions from before global release but after the name was changed to sky: children of the Light are often also included as part of the light awaits time, this is to avoid any confusion with it and the current beta program of sky children of the light)

[craggy saddle]

Oh I see it looks really good

[orchid jolt]

A dev agrees with me, this is now canon:

[craggy saddle]

Canon lore

[late wasp]

ash reacting to it almost certainly mean someone else in tgc saw this meme and then sent her a link to your post.
meaning at least two people (if not more) at tgc laughed at it or thought it was funny. lol

[orchid jolt]

while not canon to the world of sky, this is now canon to reality itself (or at least whichever plane of existence TGC occupies). there is no undoing it, all of what is real will twist and warp to fit within the paremeters of this now absolute truth. You have agreed to it, and now everything must suffer the consequences...

[rigid mural]

Looks like bell texture

[orchid jolt]

Agreed. #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[formal skiff]

L o r e .

[boreal nebula]

Evolution of Office mural (from Present to Past)

This is the one I like the most, I think I see krills in water too

(Als the spikes recall me of what is on the GW Elder is fighting in the Vault mural constellations

[orchid jolt]

im pretty sure those are bones. (but this is just my opinion). also, since you went from present to past, isnt it more of a de-evolution ?

[half shadow]

oh wow, I’m pleasantly delighted to see other people using leviathan haha. Subnautica is one of my favorite games and I feel like the word is very apt for this creature! honestly, it gives me vibes of the shadow leviathan!

[nimble ingot]

see, the similarities are there 🙂

Imagine there is a crossover...

[half shadow]

I’m a bit disappointed in myself for finishing the quest so quickly because I was just super amped up about it, but that didn’t give me the chance to actually get very up close and personal with it or take any cool screenshots, and now it’s gooooone. But oh man let me tell you, I actually swam totally past the “windows” in the corridor you first enter in because I didn’t see anything at first, then I turn around to see if there was anything interesting on the walls and I notice oh wow, is that a krill swimming in there? and then the massive shape of the leviathan just surged into view and I was just sitting there in the dark like

need to redraw a skykid like this because it was my EXACT mood. except they don’t have mouths so it would be kind of hard to get across the mix of shock/joy/fear/excitement

[rapid arrow]

Give sky kid a mouth

[half shadow]

They have no mouth and they must scream

[nimble ingot]

It may be gone for now. Maybe it is somewhere in the area 👀

[crystal cape]

no

[nimble ingot]

you just see bubbles come out of their masks

[rapid arrow]

My friend and I usually do the quests together. We’ll be on FaceTime and Im hyperventilating

[frigid tinsel]

I’ve been reading people’s experiences with this quest and I think my game glitched out cos I saw no krill after releasing them, disappointed I wanted to be terrified

[half shadow]

muffled watery scream and flurry of bubbles from rebreather mask

[rigid mural]

I regret not recording the alarm moment, this was such a nice touch to make us panic. Also, a sound the ancestors made !

[frigid tinsel]

Ancestors didn’t talk, they just made panic alarm noises

[half shadow]

One thing I wanted to try but didn’t end up doing was to actually swim through the big front doors into the chamber it was in. I think there’s still a krill in there, but it looked massive and I was wondering if anything was in there. and even if there wasn’t I think it’d still be cool.

AND OH YES THE ALARM!! IT WAS SO GOOD

[rapid arrow]

Waitttttt hold on-

Did we cause the krill to be released into the GW

[rigid mural]

YEAH

[half shadow]

and Vela I totally got the same thought. it’s cool to actually hear a sound made by the ancestors!

[frigid tinsel]

At least into the treasure reef. They seem to be lurking near the bottom for now

[rigid mural]

The krill are free in the factory, nature is healing.

[half shadow]

so beautiful.

[rapid arrow]

I am definitely going to be screen recording that bit of the quest. Cause I know my reaction will be gold

[nimble ingot]

welp...
If experience taught me anything. I think I know where it went....

[late wasp]

🔔 :

[half shadow]

Alarm sound but it’s just the moth honk bass boosted

[rapid arrow]

Cause my past thoughts reguarding krill was that they were once guardians that guarded the GW

[late wasp]

theory: there are actually a whole bunch of moths with multiple layers of chibi masks inside the alarm speakers.

[half shadow]

^ if sky was made by bethesda

[nimble ingot]

Like I said in an earlier message.
The leviathan is too big to swim over the shallows. I am not even sure if that thing can fly 👀

There is a hole at the bottom of the gate the leviathan swam through.
I cannot swim through the wind wall there, but upon getting closer, there were a ton of tiny blue lights down there.

[half shadow]

ohohoho I wonder what can be found oob?

[nimble ingot]

you can certainly try.

[keen shore]

Where did THE WORM go? I can’t find it

[nimble ingot]

It went deeper

[keen shore]

As in, at the very bottom of the ocean?

[half shadow]

He’s shy

[nimble ingot]

That is the best I can think of. It does not seem like it is anywhere else. Unless it is at the border of the area.

[half shadow]

yeah, agreed. I think it’s quite literally too big to be anywhere in the shallows

[keen shore]

Wait, it disappeared? …man, I guess I’ll have to find and enhance old spoiler photos then

[rigid mural]

The abyss crew seeing we did an oopsie: "Oh worm..."

[keen shore]

Taking suggestions for ideas on how to measure both THE WORM, the elder creature, and the coelacanth because I have no idea. The only thing I can think of right now is positioning my torch near where they pop out and lining them up on the photos, but I’m not sure I’ll get a chance to do that for THE WORM

[frigid tinsel]

the abyss crew be partying while we stand there like "they don't know about the big doom worm under the water."

[late wasp]

Sky Kids:

Eye on the prize, nevermind the consequences
which makes me think sky kids have underdeveloped frontal lobes, probably because they are kids

[frigid tinsel]

assuming skykids have brains

[rapid arrow]

Given the idoicy in the the prairie social space. The might have half a brain

[rigid mural]

Fun fact, not sure if it's a patch but you can (accidentally) get real close to abyss krills without being spotted, unlike the graveyard ones.

[frigid tinsel]

There was supposed to be a krill there

[keen shore]

Don’t tell the devs this!! (I am exploiting this bug to be nosy about krill anatomy)

[frigid tinsel]

rip Salem they got too close to the abyss krill

[nimble ingot]

Godspeed buddy

[keen shore]

Weird side note about the leviathan. Instead of having hard armor plates like krills do, which I assumed was standard stuff for larger corrupted species, it seems like they still have “skin” covering all the sharp bits. I wonder if it’s leftover skin that has blackened but not decayed from their original form, or what used to be their soft and squishy bits has turned into that semi-solid sludge from GW? (The texture and color matches)

[rapid arrow]

I like the fact that maybe krills were once squishy

[rigid mural]

🦐

[late wasp]

I have a weird idea.
Because Ancestors being responsible just bother me. lol
Although they did say "Jurassic Park" was an inspiration implying they tried to bring back dinosaurs lol

[frigid tinsel]

Anything is squishy if youre strong enough

[rigid mural]

I hope they add more stuff to abyss after the season is done so we occasionally have to brave the depths to find crumbs

[late wasp]

What if dark creatures is just a normal process all creatures end up with, even the ancestors. Like as if they are oxidizing...

That's why creatures seek Orbit and ascenssion.
Now, these creatures in the Treasure Reef being imprisoned prevents them from ascending, and thus they become darkened.

[rigid mural]

Ceasing commodore with 3 krills:

[keen shore]

It is a neat idea to think about, but I doubt it for two reasons

1] you only see corrupted creatures around refineries and areas that have been heavily corrupted by the storm, such as Eden
2] If this was true there’s probably be no mantas around at all, just krills, considering the state of Eden

[late wasp]

true!

[rigid mural]

This might explain why everyone naturally sought out eden; perhaps the ancestors we free were stuck like this because they couldn't reach eden

[frigid tinsel]

Hmm, reminds me of an idea I had had about petrified spirits: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[half shadow]

call for aid: does anybody have any good creepy looking screenshots of the leviathan that show off how massive it is? both to catalogue its appearance because it’s mostly shadowed but also so i can show a buddy and convince them to start playing again

oh wait I can ask in the screenshot channel

[late wasp]

https://youtu.be/7klhTG3RzMc?t=216
only a video can do it justice

[half shadow]

ohhh thanks!!

[distant turtle]

||you can get down there with chibi||

[nimble ingot]

||I mean you can without chibi go oob.||
||But is it pretty darn deep||

[keen shore]

Quick question. Does the coelacanth cutscene that pops up when you go to the underforest in forest repeat every minute or so, or does it only happen when you enter it

[half shadow]

every time!

@nimble ingot I hope it’s alright but I brightened up your screenshot of the big hole because it’s so dang dark down there

oh, then it only happens once when you enter

[nimble ingot]

no worries. 👍

[keen shore]

Am struggling to figure out a way to measure these creatures

[half shadow]

oof i wish you luck

[keen shore]

Is it possible to cheese it by sitting next to where it appears and then getting a friend to enter so it emerges again, or would it just not appear for me if I attempted this

[frigid tinsel]

afaik it only happens when you first enter through that one opening. If you were to enter the caverns via the wind path then go to that initial entrance, it would trigger for you. Maybe going in and out of the wind paths and going to that entrance would work?

[half shadow]

hmmm. I’m not sure, I think it only appears once per person. I’ve never tried going out then back in before to see if it spawns

[keen shore]

The trouble is less figuring out a way to get it to play again, and more being able to get close enough to get an accurate measurement

[craggy saddle]

Don’t know if I’m cutting into something but I’m hearing, there’s such thing as darkness and it petrifies people when they die? That’s interesting if true

[half shadow]

I’ll say you can sometimes cheese it by starting to fly really quickly and almost “break out” of the cinematic of it coming up and I’ve gotten kinda close to it before unintentionally, usually when I’m already diving down to the are directly to the right

[keen shore]

I’m going to attempt doing that in a bit then. If I can’t, I’ll see if I can find another reference point to measure it against and work backwards from there (maybe a light bloom??)

[frigid tinsel]

Yea darkness is this... dark stuff that captures light. It can grow as darkness plants because of how much light it has. It petrifies spirits, which is why relighting their statue with your candle reawakens them — you’re clearing away the darkness. It is behind crabs going rabid and krill existing — krill are corrupted light creatures from darkness (tho the means of which is uncertain). Golden Wasteland and Eden are full of darkness.

I also wrote a thing speculating about the amount of darkness around correcting with the timeline of spirits petrified: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

Vela also had a ying-yang theory about light & darkness coexisting: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[half shadow]

the only other thing I can think of is to either do the eden cinematic and get a toooon of speed right before the thing breaks the wall barrier because I’ve also gotten close unintentionally doing that. they don’t make it easy for us poor skykids to ride on giant animals in this game and it’s a crime

[keen shore]

My plan might just be to take a picture of it as it nears a light bloom, measure the light bloom it goes against with my torch, overlay the two pictures on top of each other and get the measurement that way. It’s REALLY convoluted but it may work

[half shadow]

I’m just imaging your icon surrounded by mathematical equations like that one gif of the blonde lady

[frigid tinsel]

Salem:

[half shadow]

absolutely massive brain move

[keen shore]

Taking a picture of the elder creature in sanctuary will be easy since it pops up in the same spots after a while. If I’m able to relive the 4th quest I can maybe get the leviathan measurement pretty easily too

[half shadow]

I don’t think you can do the fourth quest again 😔

[nimble ingot]

@half shadow @late wasp
Where is that monster mural?

[late wasp]

entrance cave

[half shadow]

That one is located right in the starting entry cave, it appears originally as just the boat flying before it changes as an animation to show the big ol fella

only thing I’m sad about is there’s no new fun mural to look at in the facility

[nimble ingot]

thank you ❤️

[half shadow]

OH WAIT! YOU CAN REPLAY THE MEMORY!

[formal skiff]

Maybe get a friend to stand close to where it emerges before you enter so you can measure off of them?

[craggy saddle]

What about rebirth, also how do spirits just live without acs ending?

[frigid tinsel]

wdym?

[craggy saddle]

How do spirits keep living after they die, when not petrified

[nimble ingot]

Their bodies are petrified, not their spirits.
They are like ghosts, they cannot pass on if they have unfinished. Though I think the reason why are not passing on after being saved and ascended, is either they cannot yet, or they are choosing to stay and help the skykids.

[craggy saddle]

Oh I see. I’m just wondering by why they’re all petrified while sky kids and only kids are alive

[late wasp]

because we were born 10 minutes ago
(intro cutscene)

[craggy saddle]

Oh uh, how were we created, sorry bout the questions I genuinely wanna understand the lore

[frigid tinsel]

Born from a fallen star

[lyric mountain]

What is the story of sky suppose too be? All I’ve gathered is the protag is some wandering child?

like what happened to their parent’s as well? Since there does seem too be adults around inside of the game.

[craggy saddle]

One more question, why are all the adults dead and how did they die, cause we know they’re spirits and are stuck because they’re petrified but how’d they die

[tulip aspen]

they are the fallen star

^^^
here's a summary of what we think we know about the major story beats so far

[sharp lichen]

Well, the story of the game is quite simple if you only count the main quest, which is to reach the ||Eye of Eden, save the people located there, and ascend.||

[tulip aspen]

yeah, but that's only a story about the skykid's own journey to self discovery and becoming braver and stronger

[frigid tinsel]

Not sure how each ancestor died, just that they died a long time ago. They lived during the Sky kingdom, which fell, likely accelerated by the Eden cataclysm. They probably died due to their civilization breaking down and it becoming harder to survive with darkness around

[craggy saddle]

I saw the summary, you’re pretty good at this

You explained everything well I think I understand better

[rancid rivet]

I thought those blue lights were bubbles....and swam closer to them.....

I need some therapy

[formal skiff]

Oof

[wise rampart]

that or they were trying to create light creatures using their stars and the creatures

[formal skiff]

If you want good pictures of the krill thing I have some

[lyric mountain]

What are the sky people suppose too be? I don’t think they’re human (not on about the spirits I mean the people.)

[nimble ingot]

oh dear....
Please dont tell me.
1- I suspect it would be a spoiler
2- I am afraid to ask what that could have been.

[wise rampart]

anglers...oh my god I have had an epiphany

[nimble ingot]

We havent had fishing spirits before. What is it that you have in mind?

[wise rampart]

the blue lights are similar in functionality to angler fish. The blue wax is helpful, ja? What about if creatures evolved to use it as a lure

[nimble ingot]

Oh my word!
That would be brilliant.

[wise rampart]

It makes a lot of sense actually. Why would there even be light or air down there in the first place. It’s an abyssal plain.

[nimble ingot]

pun intended lol

[wise rampart]

pun?

[nimble ingot]

abyssal

[formal skiff]

Omg you genius

[rigid mural]

which kind of angler

[wise rampart]

also another idea. What of it was designed to look like the blue artificial stars? It’s obvious that like mentioned earlier the spirits aren’t prepared, and are still searching for resources. They might get lured down by the blue diamondesque lights.

[nimble ingot]

They are evolving.
First is the lure.
Next it will be to imitate our calls.
Then it would pretend to be a home shrine.
And soon, us skykids will start to doubt anything new is safe.

[half shadow]

Angler being scared of fish despite being an angler is my new headcanon. They creep them out

[rigid mural]

isnt there a thing where accepting to hold the hand of a moth with a broken leg will get your account banned (for interacting with a hacker) ?
sky creepypastas

[nimble ingot]

It wouldn't be the first thing that is creepy in sky.

There were the broken waists in normal skykids.
There was once a broken skykid that looked like a log.
Then there was the blue eden.

[rigid mural]

LOG SKY KIDS
thats what happened before they updated lumberjack to NOT constantky do falling tree noises in the boneyard

[formal skiff]

the log sky kids were in constant fear of the lumberjack mistaking them for a tree

[rigid mural]

angler fish are terrifying, and not because of their appearance.

[half shadow]

i think the fact that male anglers because a creepy parasitic twin for females is pretty freaky. but most of them are actually very little! unsure how size equates to sky world though

[wise rampart]

I cannot wait to see how this unfolds. I hope my theory proves to be somewhat correct, whether as light lures or imitation star lures.

[formal skiff]

i just crave leviathan lore overall

[orchid jolt]

It's just bubbles. It's below an invisible barrier but you can just use the table trick for that. It's pretty easy tbh (or I was lucky with it being easy)

[orchid jolt]

... it's just bubbles. They refill your air. Did you mean the krill's spotlight/eye when it's blue?

[orchid jolt]

Before committing any crimes, doesn't the devil deserve freedom as well?

[orchid jolt]

Sorry to rain on your parade, but it's bubbles.

[wise rampart]

darn

[formal skiff]

what a big oof

[wise rampart]

well it was worth the thought

[formal skiff]

indeed! still kinda love that theory

[nimble ingot]

aw well.

[nimble ingot]

oh

oh no......

[orchid jolt]

There were four lights. But you can only really see 3dots

Behind wind wall, They were there before and after the recent Quest

[orchid jolt]

What? Oh, btw, the lights were pinkish and looked kind of like medi circles.

These weren't here before the season...

[quick terrace]

Where’s that-

[wise rampart]

shipwreck

[late wasp]

🛸

[nimble ingot]

floating pipe factory.

[wise rampart]

likely just background errors, since they used to be on the ground

[nimble ingot]

Probably, they must be distant assets that were not place properly. there used to be the 2 that are in the water, the floating one was a later addition. At around the time the season was about to start.

[wise rampart]

yeah, the little factories have been around since the beginning, but there may just be a bug causing them to float

[rigid mural]

if that third one appeared with abyss, is the area location confirmed to be near shipwreck then ?

[nimble ingot]

That, or it was considered, then cancelled.
Either way, that might prove that the shipwreck shortcut could be a possibility.
Should we perhaps leave a request in the feedback about it?

[rigid mural]

feedback: "more boats"

[nimble ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/world-of-warships-german-battleship-d4nlo-gif-15967661

[formal skiff]

bumbling boatswain: pls have someone else make them i'm gonna mess up again-

[rigid mural]

talented builder

[nimble ingot]

Dear Bumbling boatswain,
You did nothing wrong. There were other forces at work here. You are too innocent to have not only caused this act. But failed to cover it up.
Your wonderful ship will live on in the hearts of skykids. The ship you have now will never be as worthy as the vessel it could have been.

Love,
Lore enthusiast Skykids.

[credit to EcoNerd]

I mean, really....

[formal skiff]

RIP

[nimble ingot]

Whoever decided the smaller boat is better when the season was in development, may need tread carefully in the lore chat.

[rigid mural]

they could have left the flag on a sail-less mast at least

[half shadow]

Hmmm. I wonder if the original boat was created with the idea that it was an actual sea vessel instead of a floating boat. It has power diamonds on it, but it’s less streamlined and has both a net presumably for fishing or catching things and reeling them in, and a steering wheel. It kind of seems like it’d move a lot more clunky if it was airborne. Maybe it was changed when the story of them being in a flying ship versus a seafaring ship was changed

[haughty talon]

Probably they hunted whales(per old ship lore)

[nimble ingot]

Probably, it would be cool if the better ship was perhaps the final product the spirits were working towards with gathering all of those Resources.
Otherwise, the reason I think it is, would be the smaller boat is less 'pirate' like, and less 'over the top'.

And if so, then those reasons can take a deep dive down the krill pit. Because the current ship looks average, but knowing how much better the ship could have been makes the current one feel like a rushed and messy. As if the ship is not the main feature of the area and is just another detail.
Since it is the focal point of the season, why can it not afford to be better?

The current Abyss boat looks less impressive than the wrecked boat of the accountant from Season of the Little Prince. The current Abyss boat looks mildly better than the boat skykids ride on to way the Forgotten Ark. The current Abyss boat looks less impressive than the beta boat.

There is no way the current boat is any better than the beta boat, by a nautical mile!

[haughty talon]

Yeah atleast like assembly they could have incrementally built renovated the boat. Definitely #live-feedback if people feel there could be more polishing to such elements around lore and season story design

[half shadow]

The only solution to this predicament is we need more boats

[hushed steeple]

Did we all miss this, or was it just me?
If you don't understand what I'm talking about, I only have to say 2 words and others will explain, "dark stone."

[half shadow]

It seems that darkstone naturally forms in shapes like these kind of like quartz

[hushed steeple]

Isn't dark stone theorized to have been made by ancestors by murdering light creatures?

[distant turtle]

Yeah. I think this season's murals may be related to the same idea too.

[hushed steeple]

Wait, do you mean that it took different shapes upon creation?

[half shadow]

Oh no! more like as a naturally occurring mineral it just grows into diamond-like shapes

[hushed steeple]

Let me see if I can pull up some of these murals.

[wise rampart]

I assumed it was just a mineral that they mined

[hushed steeple]

While it could have something to do with mining minerals, there is also evidence of having to murder light creatures to get it.

[distant turtle]

I think they mine stuff yes like in Forest, and combine with creatures by the tech we see in Forest and Wasteland

[hushed steeple]

Could that have something to do with what this guy grabs?

[wise rampart]

they mine it, send it to the research facility, and then the creatures are sacrificed for experiments and fun

[distant turtle]

And this mural if you look close up has creatures being pushed in on sleds, and then diamonds stacked up on the right. Like they used them somehow to make the diamonds.

[hushed steeple]

What's this enchantment looking light doing over here in valley, and why are the bells able to turn black here in prairie village?

[distant turtle]

I don't really know. Just assumptions based on concept art. If I never saw concept art, I wonder if I would have a different interpretation.

[distant turtle]

But I do see a parallel to the Forest door cutscene, where two resources are combined to make the diamond. The other mural not shown is like the resource shown coming from the butterfly jars. And the one you shared on the hillside is like the resource coming from the Forest.

[late wasp]

before the day ends
the tip says "CRAFTING Spells"
so spells can be made from fragments of light

[coarse wolf]

I dont think they communicate between them through speaking the way we do, hence all the expressions. I'd imagine them to feed off light as well, by absorbing

[fiery vapor]

Guys this is great and all and very cool ur all very smart but can someone explain the golden wasteland?

Like why the oily water? Daimond production? A war? Trying to fight against the darkness? An infection?

What caused it to fall apart?
Do you think the doors in the main temple of the golden wasteland are supposed to connect to the other areas but due to the darkness spreading they closed it?

[celest carbon]

Spoilers ||in fairly certain our sky kid made some big mistakes taking those gems like a big fish and krills got released because of us||

[orchid jolt]

But... It isn't the focal point.... It specifically isn't the focal point of the season. The focal point would be things like the ruins hidden under the waves. Right?

[nimble ingot]

I said focal point as it is where you go to get quests, and where you return to after completing a quest.

The ruins, the krill, the minecarts, buildings, murals, creatures, the diamonds you collect and the leviathan may be the points of interests of the season. With the leviathan being a major point in the season.
But the quest giver and where you find them is where all of these point of interests would either meet or revolve around.

Comparing to the other seasons.
Enchantment - Quest giver on an island in front of the forgotten ark. The island does not have to be unique, since the forgotten ark.
Sanctuary - Quest giver near the bell tower, the creatures flaying around and the landscape.
Prophecy - Guest giver in the cave of prophecy, the totem beside the quest giver has the symbols of the trails and the murals above.
Dream - Quest giver in the village of dreams, among the spirits and the homes.
Assembly - Quest giver seen around the treehouse throughout the season.
Little Prince - Quest giver in the middle of the desert. This is an exception as the rose is isolated and in the desert. This ties into the book implying the rose is alone as well as being something precious and is 'hidden' in the desert.
Flight - Quest giver on the island, in a nook with tables and items that relate to the spirits and what they do.
Abyss - Quest giver on a boat and sent to explore the island. Whereas compared to the beta ship, the former ship looks more exciting to explore and return to instead of the current boat that does not have the same impact.

All of these location rely on the environment to add to the atmosphere that ties into the theme of the season.

[orchid jolt]

exactly? are we misunderstanding each other and trying to argue in favor of the same point? Cause, i was trying to say that the focal point of any season doesnt seem to be the area where the quest giver is, but rather the environment around it, and im getting the feeling that you also think that and we just had a really weird communication error

[tulip aspen]

we still don't understand why

i wish ash could offer an explanation la sigh

[tulip aspen]

😃

[tulip aspen]

ohhhh my goodness that would have been wonderful smh

why tgc.......

[nimble ingot]

I see.
Apologies for the misunderstanding.

I meant focal point as in a place where you return to at multiple points of a narrative.
As in skykids go to the quest giver at each quest. Ergo the place you find them is important by proxy of interacting with the Quest Giver to progress in the season.

[orchid jolt]

no-no. i also misunderstood you lol

[agile galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/modern-family-goaway-squirt-bottle-shoo-gif-4979455

[formal skiff]

You can’t stop us >:)
It is canon to reality
There is nothing you can do about it

[agile galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-evil-how-about-no-gif-13114250

[nimble ingot]

Which is better?

3 Dark Dragons in a Trenchcoat.
Or
3 Krill in a Trenchcoat.

[tulip aspen]

its been so long since ktjin has lurked into here (with us knowing it), how fascinating

[sharp lichen]

Of course ktjn comes when I’m not there how come I miss everything

[hushed steeple]

Aw I needed to ask about the lost livestream :/

[harsh pecan]

Same

[hushed steeple]

I needed a skybot photo for this:

[formal skiff]

This is amazing

[sharp lichen]

There’s also ||chesca’s|| iceberg, but this one’s good

[hushed steeple]

I think Ches’s was for lorechat itself and not lore

but I did steal the idea of using the capes and ult for depth

[rigid mural]

Forest too has levels and a giant gate like in abyss

[agile galleon]

[agile galleon]

confirmed still very much lost

[frigid tinsel]

take an L for the lost livestream

[keen shore]

I have taken the pictures for my coelacanth measuring method. Wish me luck

[harsh pecan]

The Skybot one is ironic

[karmic ledge]

the forbidden texts

[harsh pecan]

Ayo-

[rigid mural]

ash jumpscare

[harsh pecan]

Yes

[formal skiff]

TGC should make the next season revolve around spirits who search the realms for the lost livestream /j

[harsh pecan]

Lol ye

[rigid mural]

man this really sucks, can they at least tell us what they remember is in it

[tulip aspen]

"old intros" 😃 😃 😃 😃 😃

[rigid mural]

I know that the two main things people got from it was that the king/eden elder is not around to be saved anymore (confirming his existence and adding he's deader than the other elders), and that the elders were the fallen stars.
A (lore ?) stream confirming or denying this would be great.

[tulip aspen]

devs interacting for the sole purpose of making us anxious

[rigid mural]

can't relate, i'm not scared of devs

just imagine them looking up meme templates to fill up

[tulip aspen]

not of them modding lolol, just of what they could or wouldnt say for lore

[rigid mural]

what if we politely asked en masse about the lost stream in #live-feedback

[hushed steeple]

RIP OG concept art livestream. A moment of silence.

[rigid mural]

They might not have the file anymore, doesnt mean we cant ask the questions whose answers were in that stream again. Ash said to get a community dev's attention on that, so...

[tulip aspen]

we're supposedly not supposed to raid live feedback and bug reports, yet that's the only way any problem or concern is actually ever addressed la sigh

[hushed steeple]

And the de facto community dev just said its a goner

[rigid mural]

yeah but what if we asked for another stream

[hushed steeple]

Dunno if that one had jenova. But having jenova talk lore would be gold.

[rigid mural]

we got the numbers to make TGC notice it's not just a handful of people that want those answers back

also stellify or ktjn sometimes hang out in streams, you could probably get their attention there too

[hushed steeple]

Yeah, I had one screencap from it, and one quote. “Theres nothing left to save”

Ironic quote considering the state of that stream :/

[tulip aspen]

has anyone who actually watched the lost stream claimed something from it as good lore evidence or no

[rigid mural]

just saying that while overdoing it would mean trouble, there's no wrong in pushing a bit harder for a lore stream

[frigid tinsel]

For someone who’s only been active in this server for a few months, what does it mean to be a “community dev?”

[tulip aspen]

they are paid to represent tgc and interact with the community

[hushed steeple]

Just about king. “There was an eden elder, now theres nothing left to save” a requoted quote and it has some variants :/ but Seraph has seen the stream

[tulip aspen]

kami collabs saving the day as usz

[rigid mural]

last I checked seraph wasnt active lately, but #contact-the-mods got us pretty fast replies so maybe we could ask for permission to get them here and tell us their secrets

[hushed steeple]

Ash mentioned the stream as only a few week after she joined tgc and this mentions Reika was in it.

[rigid mural]

yeah but reika doesnt show up much here

[hushed steeple]

Yeppy. Things I would want to know is if Elders fell. And if the falling of the stars that had spirits make their home in the clouds was the same or different one that caused their destruction, and was just a long process, or if there was two fallings.

[rigid mural]

ngl i think ash and ktjn at least keep an eye here from time to time, so maybe if we make some noise here at the right moment...

[keen shore]

First coelacanth measurement: 25.6 torchlengths
Using another reference point and taking the average, wish I could find more, but the only two things I can measure it against are the nearby jellyfish and light blooms

Collateral measurement is that underforest jellyfish are 3.93 torchlengths. Going to take some samples from sanctuary and forest to see if they’re all roughly the same size

[frigid tinsel]

Salem doing the lords work

[keen shore]

Discovered my drawing program lets you measure lines down to the pixel and am VERY happy about it

[rustic heron]

Media representative. It’s like the guy behind the Sonic Twitter, but ymmv on the humour.

[rustic heron]

You’ll want to compare against the TGC office for measurements. I think the offie is to-scale, so you’ll get relatively close measurements.

[rigid mural]

im not over torches being a new measurment nexxt to tables

[rustic heron]

The official measurement system for Sky kids is in “chibis”. It’s a measurement of both length and relative annoyance.

[keen shore]

Torchlengths are temporary until I can get the measurement equivalent from Lapis, who was attempting to measure the elders a while ago hint hint nudge nudge and who I took a picture of next to my torch to do math hint hint nudge nudge nudge

• IMO torches are better than chibis. Mine was more accessible to me than the mask and doesn’t vary some pixels in height depending on cosmetics

[rustic heron]

Sorry, sorry. I was busy watching cartoons.

[rigid mural]

i know some elders look bigger or smaller depending on location, compare sizes in orbit and in the vault oob

[open bridge]

Has anyone figured out so far what home really is?

[frigid tinsel]

Home is a home away from home

[tulip aspen]

yep that what i did for intro lmao

just kept on bringing it up ....

[frigid tinsel]

real answer: some think it's a gameplay mechanic and not true in universe, some think it's a tangible plane of existence manifested by the collective entity that are the skychildren, some think it's a space to be a "home" for the skykids in between their adventures.
tl;dr – no one has figured it out

[keen shore]

Second torchlength measurement for the coelacanth is 31 TL which brings the average, and estimated length to 28.3 TL

[tulip aspen]

i say it's some kind of dream we all share with each other as some sort of metaphor for a both a place we come together and also a place where we visualize our mission, our journey, place by place

hey lol i didnt notice the harpoons were literally right there

[frigid tinsel]

i wnna see Cannoneer shoop the Leviathan

[rigid mural]

i wanna see cannoneer

[frigid tinsel]

here. they're devstated

[rustic heron]

I want cannoneer.

[open bridge]

Lol, that's probably the biggest piece of lore mystery then

[frigid tinsel]

this is prob the best pic i got of any spirit ever

[rustic heron]

Swagger of a young cannoneer.

[rigid mural]

cant wait for cannoneer's sheet saying their ego inflates very quickly

[frigid tinsel]

TGC prob saving the best for last (besides questgiver)

[hushed steeple]

Looks like there was lore beaning again last night while I was alseep
Could someone fill me in please?

[rigid mural]

theres no lore beaning, just dev jumpscare

[frigid tinsel]

Ash is Ash Ketchup confirmed

[keen shore]

Elder creature will be difficult to measure, due to angle and the water, but here’s two great video shots I got of it if anyone’s curious

[frigid tinsel]

here comes dat boi

[tulip aspen]

hello boy

[hushed steeple]

🐋

[keen shore]

Note the placement of the flaps in the very front and how they correspond to the levisthan’s front horns, plus the similar skin texture and number of limbs, as well as similar tail shape. Probably original form of the leviathan…

• the diamond on its forehead :3c

[hushed steeple]

Im still vouching for the canth. But its another good candidate

[keen shore]

I want to get up close pictures of the canth but it is a STRUGGLE

It appears as well in front of golden wasteland but it’s too dark there to make out anything. It also appears in Eden for only a few seconds, not a big enough window to get a good picture

[rustic heron]

Reminds me of anomolocarids:

[keen shore]

With large creatures like this it seems like I have to choose between being able to measure them and getting good pictures

[rigid mural]

you gave me an idea

[frigid tinsel]

Salem, holding a tape measure: I just want to measure you!
whale: tremendous splash

[keen shore]

YEAH ESSENTIALLY

Also canth cutscene I recorded and cropped down ages ago for comparison

This conversation reminds me of the memes about how various wild animals (especially birds and bats) are weighed. I now am very curious about the ridiculous methods ancestor biologists had to go to to measure and weigh these creatures

[rustic heron]

So, what you can do is place your torch, step back, and take a picture of yourself in front of both, similar to how you took a picture of me@with your torch.

[hushed steeple]

Does the forest oob not work anymore?

[harsh pecan]

Are they even holding the harpoon??

[rustic heron]

Which one? There are several.

[rigid mural]

bird being weighted in a zoo

[hushed steeple]

The one where you uh. Like. Chibi step through the entrance before melting the plants n visit the fishy under the clouds

[frigid tinsel]

Prairie Elder uses a bell to draw it forward then Wasteland Elder dunks it as the ancestors scramble around to measure it before it breaks loose

[rustic heron]

That should still work. Someone here did it last week.

[keen shore]

I am attempting this shortly. The issue with that is that it’s as hard to get pictures of my length next to the elder creature as it is with the torch just due to the constant micro twists and turns it makes as it dives (as in, can’t get the angle right)

[rigid mural]

this is sending me because i'd weight a skykid like this too tbh

[harsh pecan]

But that was last week

[hushed steeple]

We need skid weighing tubes.

[rigid mural]

one more for the road

[frigid tinsel]

that way the skid can't fly out

[keen shore]

Imagining one of those tiny round mantas being weighed like this

[hushed steeple]

I love these pictures of dunked birds.

[harsh pecan]

We can use it to imprison unsuspecting children

[rustic heron]

There haven’t been any patches since, so it should still work. At least, none that I’m aware of.

[rigid mural]

light whisperer probably had to do that if they needed to monitor if a manta gained enough weight before being ready to be freed

[half shadow]

vela i’m going to cry this is so blessed

[frigid tinsel]

Vela blessing this chat so we all don't lose ourselves in the madness that is sky lore

[keen shore]

I can’t believe we had the exact same realization of which spirit would be doing the weighing and why (also, this is adorable)

[rigid mural]

dw the manta got light treats after that

[keen shore]

AWWWWW

[half shadow]

happy little triangle

[frigid tinsel]

baby getting its treats aww

[half shadow]

When you think about it mantas are just peak creature design

[rigid mural]

the shape ever

[keen shore]

If they’re stuck in a weighing device and you have to get one out, do you just have to yank their tail until they come loose

[rigid mural]

don't brutally pull like that ! you could damage their tail ! weighting tubes have holes on both ends, so it's just a matter of gently nudging them free

[keen shore]

Do not worry I will not Tug on the mantas

[frigid tinsel]

lorechat no context

[rigid mural]

i want light whisperer to infodump about light creatures to us, we're gonna listen i prommy

[white heart]

(We used to use a paper cone and a pull scale or weigh them in the banding bag 🙂 )

[rigid mural]

how does it feel to work at teen me's dream job

[half shadow]

this is reminding me of that idea i had to create a potential evolutionary tree of light creatures in Sky

[keen shore]

Side note, does anyone else think it’s weird how both known massive light creatures have stone faces, but that distinct feature hasn’t stuck around on either the krill or the leviathan? Does the stone somehow decompose/shatter too, or are the krill/leviathan corrupted from different animals??

[harsh pecan]

It probably broke idk

[tulip aspen]

i think it decomposes for sure, no mattwr which of the three creatures

keep in mind cinematic creature is a known creature too 👉 👈

coelecanth should not be a decisive choice for the krill theories

[half shadow]

It could not be stone! It could be a kind of chitonous plate armor

[keen shore]

Oh it’s not! The krill are still weird to me because they have really long legs where a coelacanth has none, which reminds me more of the elder creature along with their general shape, but the coelacanth’s spiny body is the most immediately reminiscent of a krill’s spikes. Plus, krill have these massive horns in front that I haven’t seen a similar light creature with yet, as well as a spotlight instead of two eyes and sharp armor plates, all traits which don’t have a mirror outside of the switch trailer (I want to wait if the creature shown there is ever visible in game so I can study it up close better before I say 100% that it became a krill)

The theory that I’m running with right now is the manta conglomerate one, where each spiny krill leg is a broken version of a manta’s wing bones lengthened by darkness corruption, however I doubt this is canon - it’s just my personal interpretation until more evidence comes out

[keen shore]

So maybe it’s like… the creature’s head grows as it corrupts and forces the “stone” part apart from inside?

[tulip aspen]

the long legs, as a theme, represent shrimp

anatomically, i think they aren't actually legs tho; it wouldn't make sense that we could make a proper parallel like that about the legs to any light creature, and admitting my bias, i frankly dont want to nor think it's interesting to try

tldr we have to recognize that through a magical transformation not everything will be completely referencing each of this creature's forms (uncorrupted and corrupted)

[harsh pecan]

That’s possible…

[keen shore]

Legs aren’t quite right so maybe.., leg adjacent wings. Maybe before the flesh around them decomposed they were flippers, or wings, or something along those lines; they just look like legs now because all that’s left is long, thin, and vaguely wiggly

[harsh pecan]

How did the flesh decompose but the rest didn’t?

[tulip aspen]

in the krills case i think its moreso that the head would be actually a lot smaller inside and when the face plating decays away it's just a noodle, which is what a krill's face is

(light dragon for reference but same s h o u l d apply to the other candidates)

[rapid arrow]

So what I’m hearing is krills are noodles with armour

[tulip aspen]

eh, whatever kinda appendage is, my biased point still stands ig

[keen shore]

Jusr dropping a krill for reference because it might help a bit with this conversation

[keen shore]

For some reason I thought krill faces were larger proportionally until I looked at the picture I posted (although to be fair my point still stands for the leviathan). Thank you for the diagram, it does make sense that this face shape would be under the “stone” masks a lot of elder creatures have. Looking at this picture (#lore-discussion-spoilers message) the elder creature has a similar wedge shaped face, as does the coelacanth (#lore-discussion-spoilers message) and mantas in general, although they don’t have the “stone” on top. [not saying any of these creatures are the krill, just saying similar head shapes are Not uncommon among light creatures]

[hushed steeple]

I think you can do much better than this!

[tulip aspen]

yee, the face is a noodle, very different from the other two candidates and waaay more similar to the cinematic creature imo