lore-discussion-spoilers

[compact shale]

it hits too close to home like when we fall out of orbit

[fiery wave]

[compact shale]

Writing by the seat of lorechat's pants

[static meteor]

hHAHJAsHS

[naive flare]

I think the lore is that the krill is what broke the arc and thats why the wreck is next to the krill, because the spirits were trapped and slowly starved to death (man this boi has been circling the same place for a while then xD) also we see that boats here are made out of stone and are able to straight up fly, working off the power of darkstones more than buoyancy on water or whatever theyre travelling over

inb4 we're writing the plot, they come here for inspiration
"that looks good, let's use that"
@static meteor ooh! Lets think of something even more messed up than what the whole abyss facility is implied to be for the next season

[night pecan]

krill said SMACC

[twilit blade]

Iirc it was thunder and lightning that broke the arc (as stated from the boat's murals), whilst the krill is only occupied there as its job is to guard or protect that specific part of the ruins from invaders

[worthy nacelle]

smacc then snacc

[static meteor]

might not necessarily be that specific Krill, maybe they were attacked, ambushed by whoever they were fighting against? Or surprised by a krill? (I'm not up to date on arc lore, i haven't read all the markings on the boat yet, lorechat forgive me)

[compact shale]

The way the Ark crashed is actually depicted in a mural! It was all an unlucky strike of lightning. (6th picture in the 1st compilation)

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[naive flare]

might not necessarily be that specific Krill, maybe they were attacked, ambushed by whoever they were fighting against? Or surprised by a krill? (I'm not up to date on arc lore, i haven't read all the markings on the boat yet, lorechat forgive me)
@static meteor oh no neither, im probably wrong myself lol

[worthy nacelle]

WHEW my krill theory still works kind of

[static meteor]

woahh
dang okay

[naive flare]

WHEW my krill theory still works kind of
@worthy nacelle i think the krill were still once definitely light creatures, but yes i really like it and think it works!

[worthy nacelle]

holy shrimp

[naive flare]

Also thanks for the link to those photos, clears up they were definitely wrecked by a storm, but its still left vague on whether that krill is under control or not! (Im betting on no, and thats why they were trapped)

Oooh now an image just popped into my head, of an ancestor or elder having a little tv remote to control the krill lmao

[worthy nacelle]

LOL
Valley twins using those toy car remotes

[compact shale]

We got a new toy! weeeee NOOO NOT MASS DESTRUCTION

[naive flare]

Honey, have you seen the krill remote?
No darling I was looking for the kid, have you seen him round?
…
Uh oh

[nimble ingot]

use this symbol |
Type 2 of them [||] in front and then at the back of the words you wanted spoiler tagged.

[fringe hare]

Anybody got some speculations on what these power diamonds, embedded in the arenas walls, might have been used for?

[nimble ingot]

Question:
Hypothetically, would it be the elders that originally used the dark stone correctly, but then the ancestors tried to use the power of the dark stone, but ended up corrupting it?
What gave the idea is this concept art.
It has metadata the gives hints to where it was for.
This one was for the Wasteland and had the tag "AncestorMachinery_Cages," which either means the ancestors were following elder's instructions, or they decided to refine the power of the dark stone for their own uses.

Since this was concept art it was well before the global release, so the lore in the concept art may differ from the lore that is currently in the game. So, on the one hand, the refinery may not be in the game, though it might still be applicable. Even if it is not in the game currently.

[late wasp]

i wish i was a power diamond.
assuming you are calling them power diamonds because elsewhere the same design is used to power contraptions, I will say it might have been used to keep scores or for even more awesome lighting show, like the one seen during the ice skater finale.

[fringe hare]

hohoho light show is a good bet. Nice, thanks ^^

[late wasp]

i'm a little confused, how does it means the ancestors were following elder's instructions?

[fringe hare]

òwó that’s some good art. Would provide an explanation for the corruption that spread. Sucking the light out of creatures to charge a battery, and tossing the “waste” somewhere in a dump. Too much waste and we get the krills and mutated crabs

[nimble ingot]

As in, the elders gave the ancestor the knowledge to refine and work with the darkstone.
Which would make the elders involved in the process.

[fringe hare]

I think the confusion is how “ancestormachinery_cages” means that the ancestors are following elder instructions on this technology. I also don’t see that link

[late wasp]

i'm trying to understand the line of thought lol, because the concept art you posted simply explains something we see in game more clearly.

they turn light creatures into energy, extracting the light from them, until there is only dark waste left.

||image posted yesterday by Sky Nomad||

[fringe hare]

How do you determine the factor of dark waste from this mural?

[late wasp]

you don't, which is why the concept art raider posted is so good.

[fringe hare]

Ahh yes, I was misinterpreting your sentence.

I wonder if that diamond on the elevator is being sent up to the surface, or down below

[late wasp]

i think they are taking it after it was charged with the animals' light. but there are other screens @haughty talon posted (i'm pinging them, cause they deserve all credit)

[nimble ingot]

I see and apologise for the way I wrote it.
I'll elaborate properly.

Dark stone used to be a natural resource in Sky, that is what was confirmed in a dev comment or livestream.
It is a resource the ancestors would be able to get from the ground. This is shown in game with the light miner (implied since there memory showed the cave collapse, but not mined material was shown), the ceasing commodore (where they were collecting shard found in the ground) and in the season area where you find blueish rock in minecarts.

The ancestors were able to refine this material into power diamonds, as seen in the concept art data as well as with the forest elder forging a power diamond from a skykid's flame. Power diamonds though cannot maintain a constant supply. We can see this with their darkened state (discharged completely or dead), blue (either passive or inactive), then gold/yellow (active) and then red (corrupted). To charge a power diamond, it needs light. Light can come from skykids, light creatures or even the orbs we see in season of Enchantment and Prophecy.

The ancestors knew how to work with dark stone, with tools and machines, though how they learned to do so where the elder might be a part of.
Either the elders gave the ancestors the knowledge, as in taught them (forest elder would be a good example, if true), or they could have left the ancestors to figure out the process themselves.

[nimble ingot]

The 2 of each kind of manta in the mural makes me think of Noah's ark for some reason, lol.

[late wasp]

i think it is meant to show how much light - " j u i c e " each creature has.
you see how the third roll of mantas produce 1.5x more charged batteries than the smaller ones. while the giant mantas produce 2.5x more charged batteries.

the consensus yesterday is that they are being pushed in trays. which also give us some weight lore. since some require only one ancestor to push, while others require 3 ancestors.

[main nest]

Also if you try to read the mural like an equation it adds another interesting idea: The amount needed to forge higher amounts of power crystals seem to grow disproportional.

oh, starscourged Sophos was faster xD

[nimble ingot]

The tray is a good point.
I wonder if the tray suggests the mantas were tied down. They can fly above and below water, so the fact the mantas stayed on the tray can either suggest they are hurt, downed or strapped down.

[fringe hare]

They do have those few in that containment field, the big tanks, maybe they had smaller mobile versions for battery charging purposes that get drawn like trays

[late wasp]

I see what you mean now! Everything makes sense, and you have taught me something about the lore! Dark stone naturally absorbing light explains from where the "batteries" come from, and also explains how the red crystals are merely doing the same as any other crystals we see - absorbing light.

after all, in most of those machinery, we just see them putting crystals and light creatures together, and the crystals charge by themselves. but i see what you mean about corruption happening later. it is very interesting to ponder about.

[tulip aspen]

im gonna steal this as a quote if thats okay 👀 👀

[naive flare]

I really love all the darkstone lore being brought to light (haha) in this new season! I wouldn’t say it actually brings that much new, but it confirms lots and lots that was all speculation (like the aforementioned mining, or using light creatures to power the stones, or even destroy them to create them, and this process causing darkness and corruption)

[tulip aspen]

indeed, it still sucks tho cos this is supposed to be explained (or at least properly solvable as a mystery) in forest

in forest the theme is "technology and it's consequence", and we see slight semblances of technology, but what do we see it do?

open a door. -_-

[willow prawn]

So far I don't feel they've shown us about how or why the corruption itself happens, but I hope we can get a glance soon

Thanks for the dark stone explication! Very clear

[willow prawn]

I think that just like they did with Prophecy, they need to update a lot of other memories as well tbh. Otherwise you miss in a lot

[tulip aspen]

what

its not just missing a lot, there's literally no info in forest and in isle either

and just like prophecy, abyss just adds more scenery to convolute the story rather than make the scenery that already existed actually define the story

[naive flare]

Something I realised that seems like an important connection with darkstones is well dead skykids and ancestors have stone statues that crack to reveal blue crystal underneath (same blue as the natural darkstone seen in the captain memory) and that when you light up a powergem/refined darkstone, it will glow the same yellow as a skykids eyes!

Basically what I’m saying is that all light creatures probably contain a bit of natural darkstone within them that is always lit, and which goes cold when we die, meaning the ancestors could have both killed light creatures to produce/help refine gemstones like we seen in the forest temple machine, as well as just keep light creatures captive to power up and charge darkstones, like what I believe is going on in the abyss murals

I’m also maybe providing an explanation for why darkstone naturally appears round the moantain!
lotsandlotsofdeadpeople/creatures

[willow prawn]

I wanted to be gentle because you people understand things I've only understood reading you

The baseline of the game only tells me things get sad and desolated for some reason and that contamination is bad

[willow prawn]

So dark stone would be like petroleum? Crushed by centuries dead things?

Also, what I mean (Jam), is that don't take it too literal because it's 5 AM for me and I'm just saying everything is too ambiguous

[naive flare]

I brought the idea up some other time and someone mentioned that maybe of the ancestors got desperate enough they could have used each other

[nimble ingot]

welcome to the proverbial Sky lore onion.
The more layers you peel away, the more you want to cry.

[tulip aspen]

technically i get paid to commit legal arson

am i a skykid :0000

[fair crown]

Greedy moths >:D

[naive flare]

indeed, it still sucks tho cos this is supposed to be explained (or at least properly solvable as a mystery) in forest

in forest the theme is "technology and it's consequence", and we see slight semblances of technology, but what do we see it do?

open a door. -_-
@tulip aspen also a bit of hope for you with this dark lore ehe, when we open the door, we see a bunch of mantas are released from the walls,

Its pretty much implied that the purpose of light kids is to right the wrongs of the ancestors and lead lost creatures and spirits back to the light and orbit, because each temple has pretty much been sealed shut, stopping light creatures from continuing the reincarnation cycle like theyre supposed to

Its why we see (especially in dawn and prarie) large streams of mantas and birds following the same path as us when we open the temple doors to the next realm

That forest door was likely closed for a very long time after it was built, almost to act as a dam so that mantas could be caught and used for power gem production

[fair crown]

||What if the season of abyss underwater is like a lab? Lab where mantas were experimented on and fiest krill were made probably?
Like the krills=mantas and big whale=king krill||
Why spoiler tho, if its SPOILERS channel

[willow prawn]

Whut

[fiery tangle]

i think ill get less upset at the mantas kidnapping me in prairie now. theyre just excited.

[keen horizon]

Lore went from sleep to greedy moths how

[tulip aspen]

all we see are windows/doors opening and mantas coming in from them

the place they come out of doesn't necessarily look like they were treated for any purpose

nothing is actually conveyed in the forest temple fam

not really, anyways

forest is the worst realm in live at painting a picture of anything

[late wasp]

I agree wholeheartedly. I thought so myself after I grasped the dark stone lore Raider was posting, but thought it would be too crazy to say it lol.

But I agree, maybe dark stone is what gives body to light creatures. The only thing going in opposition to that is how some animals show bones. But maybe it's just me not being able to differentiate light creatures from regular creatures with bones and flesh.

[fair crown]

Me trying to process why spoiler if this is “spoilers” channell

[naive flare]

all we see are windows/doors opening and mantas coming in from them

the place they come out of doesn't necessarily look like they were treated for any purpose

nothing is actually conveyed in the forest temple fam

not really, anyways
@tulip aspen of course lol, this is all speculation i do admit, but the design of the machine is just too similar to the concept art of the mantasquisher(tm), and they wouldnt need to be treated, just held in those side cells that are opened, until theyre ready to be squished (tm)

[nimble ingot]

lore channel can spoil things that are in the live game.
What is not officially out, is spoiler territory.

ex. ||king krill||, ||krill in season area|| Future events, beta content, and some parts of Eden ( I think, but not too sure if it is still the case)

[tulip aspen]

when the server chats says spoilers it refers to Eden, office, and the 8p door

chibifalling isn't real content.

[fair crown]

But i used the table, not mask…

[tulip aspen]

yes, I'm ranting about how lame forest is in game, not the story, sorry for being a downer

[late wasp]

actually holy shant, Holly, you are a genius! lmao (can't say the other word)

[naive flare]

yes, I'm ranting about how lame forest is in game, not the story, sorry for being a downer
@tulip aspen oh i see! I mean i quite like it even if it’s painful to do without a buddy

actually holy shant, Holly, you are a genius! lmao (can't say the other word)
@late wasp ill take the compliment regardless ehehe

[late wasp]

Souls are meant to ascend into the Heavens.
But they are being imprisoned into the crystals, unable to move into the heavens.

This is the core problem with the ancestor technology. And Holly says how the SkyKid is meant to bring souls to Heaven, this is also explicitly told in Isle of Dawns by a disembodied voice when we are seeing murals. (who is this voice, we don't know)

so we have to ask, why is it that the ancestors cannot go to the sky yet? simple! Holly, the Wisest, gave us the answer: dark stone.

ancestors made dark stone bodies for themselves

this is why they cannot ascend to the sky, and why only after we break these stone shells (dark like krill and crabs, with inner blue crystal inside) they are finally free.

another image that might show how the ancestors put their own souls into dark stones (perhaps gaining immortality)

[main nest]

That does make a lot of sense. I'm a little mind blown ._.

[tulip aspen]

those are actually darkness plants, so the little darkness plant is moreso holding the spirit down

[nimble ingot]

This might sound morbid, what if the darkness spreading mention in the dawn island mural (the first you see when you enter the realm), means the ancestors were getting sick. As in the darkness did corrupt them, but it was either a slow or instant death.
Either way, when dead, the elders were not around to help the ancestors anymore, so the spirit stayed behind.

[naive flare]

Hmmm, i like this, however i think the answer may be more simple (definitely not thinking of taking this title on btw xD), we see that dead skykid statues in ||eden|| look extremely similar to ancestor statues, thats not because the skykids built darkstone bodies, its just what happens to a light creature when it dies without reaching orbit, which its implied happened to a lot of ancestors after eden went kaboom

its only when our skykid comes along to relive their memories, be led to their statue, and give light to their statue are they freed from their own corpses and able to ascend, its the same deal with ||eye of eden|| we give our winged light to our siblings, and after we die, and hug glowey boy, everyone gets the power to ascend and return to orbit

[late wasp]

give darkness plant lore please, i wanted to ask yesterday
||light mushrooms too if it's not too much to ask||

[main nest]

What makes you think it's darkness plants?

[tulip aspen]

nah we know nothing about why they cover the spirit, but if yall go and examine them in that kneeling state, yes, that little ball is literally a piece of darkness plant, and when you burn it it makes a darkness plant popping sound

whether it exists there more as a game mechanic than lore is up to you

[late wasp]

i wish you had a youtube channels that talks about lore

this is also very good and genius! like the dark stone are the ancient "bones" (really quote unquote here) of dead light creatures. like mining dark stone might simply be the equivalent of finding ancient dinosaur bones lol.

my own spin:
the spirits imprisoned within the crystal eventually go mad (red) and explains the red crystals.

[main nest]

Ah got it. Thank you for explaining

[late wasp]

we see them attacking mantas too, which is what made me curious at first.

[tulip aspen]

yes they trap mantas semi kind sorta not really similarly

[faint hawk]

Not me spending 2 hours reading everything I missed while sleeping

[late wasp]

and furniture! can't forget how they attack furniture lol

[main nest]

Oh I thought the smaller mantas kind of accidentally entangle in the plants when they try to fly through them

[tulip aspen]

well they do, the plant doesn't reach up and grab them

same with spirit, it just grows over their corpse

[main nest]

can't deny the plants have some good taste

[naive flare]

Darkness plants probably just sprout from areas where darkness water drops, such as the cold rain in the forest (especially the big plant below the manta squisher (tm) in the forest temple, and GW is obvious) maybe mushrooms are like the opposite? So if a star hits a tree (which is where theyr seem to m o s t l y grow) or somewhere else fertile, a light plant instead of a light creature will bloom, which is pretty sad if you agree with the theory of light beings that die without reaching orbit turn dark and crystalline

wait

Maybe thats what darkness plants are, and maybe thats another reason why burning them give you light, youre getting energy from little darkstones that formed from the mushroom dying

[late wasp]

important to note how the light-mushrooms also have a dried/darkened equivalent that does not recharge your light. i mentally called them "dead mushrooms", but going by what Holly is saying, it makes a lot of sense

[willow prawn]

Oh, the platforms in the tree?

[naive flare]

More on this idea of dying without reaching orbit actually, if at least your corpse remains intact, does your mind remain? Is that why there are spirits? Fragments of memory from the nearby statue?

Are there dead mantas trapped within darkstones and living eternity as a little door opener? Does the refinement process permanently kill the creature and thats why giving light to a darkstone doesnt revive the now malformed “statue” of the manta?

[haughty talon]

For an area with lots to do with dark crystals there are no dark plants in the new area...

[late wasp]

yes!

[tulip aspen]

yes, darkness is an a force of pollution, corrupting things

corrupting spirits, trapping their souls behind their memories

corrupting light creatures, turning them aggressive, territorial, and hungry

for darkness plants they prolly contain light because they are just corrupted plants or plants that consume any light nearby

[naive temple]

ash i love youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!

[naive flare]

For an area with lots to do with dark crystals there are no dark plants in the new area...
@haughty talon maybe there was no gem refinement done on this island (which seems to be what makes darkness), only mining and charging, though that doesn’t explain the ||krill babies and Ruby/king krill||, ooh maybe thats where the refinement is done and thats where we will find plants and more darkness?

[compact shale]

I think if TGC would put darkplants underwater, it would would make us have a crisis on how to clear them. Because water screws with our flame.

[naive flare]

I think TGC would put darkplants underwater would make us have a crisis on how to clear them. Because water screws with our flame.
@compact shale probably the best explanation yeah

[tulip aspen]

yes right, i forget that was the answer of the last debate about it; that it's mostly a gameplay trait

[late wasp]

i think, first of all, that you are very smart. second of all, it reminds me of some of the quests we have of helping a spirit "relive their memories", like, we are helping a ball of light with no identity gain back its ancestor form. even holding the ball of light by the "hand", guiding them to remember who they are.

maybe that's the fate of spirits inside crystals... they forget who they are, and become just... energy with no identity.

[naive flare]

So many compliments from you today please ill blush

[haughty talon]

On the contrary to usual ideas.. May be the crystals were taken to the top of that tower, lowered down using the elevator and charged from the DarkWorm... Hence while it has some powers equivalent of things light creatures could do... It also has potential to attract negative energies like krills to it and turn bad (into red crystal)

[tulip aspen]

we don't know the rules of definitions of ancestors or skids dying before ascending

canonchasing: it's best to say there are no rules for now

headcanon wise: have fun lol

[compact shale]

When I was a moth, I thought the prompt was "relieve the spirit memory"

I thought by gathering their memories we were relieving them of their pain

Though I guess not being able to find your lost identity is pretty painful in its own right

[naive flare]

On the contrary to usual ideas.. May be the crystals were taken to the top of that tower, lowered down using the elevator and charged from the DarkWorm... Hence while it has some powers equivalent of things light creatures could do... It also has potential to attract negative energies like krills to it and turn bad (into red crystal)
@haughty talon to bring an even more contrary idea to the table (not that it has much backing behind it), it was brought up today that krill were possibly intentionally made by ancestors to fight giant light creatures that were attacking them in the GW because of all the corruption and the elder temples blocking the way to eden, so maybe they intensionally placed corrupted darkstones (the red ones) onto ||Ruby|| and the diamonds were being charged up in order to f e e d her and make her into a megaweapon

[tulip aspen]

yikes

[compact shale]

Imagine looking at some skeleton of some light creature and rubbing dark powder all over it to create a massive weapon

Couldn't be them

[naive flare]

Honestly it was more light hearted than what i just brought up, we were talking about controlling krill with tv remotes

Imagine looking at some skeleton of some light creature and rubbing dark powder all over it to create a massive weapon

Couldn't be them
@compact shale that would explain why they all seem to be skeletal!

[late wasp]

maybe not the giant whales, but to fight the corruption too.
since they are watching over areas with large amounts of corruption, and destroying anything that moves.

(i have to rewatch some of the GW elder memory to see what they were fighting to be sure)

[naive flare]

Oh and very much noted that there really arent set rules for how exactly the reincarnation or death w o r k s, but running off my theory of crystal/darkstone=dead person, i wanna bring up another connection

A lot of people say that ||big eden crystal was caused by king, or was from his big body,
Its also mostly agreed upon that glowey boi in eden=prince/king
So if your corpse becomes a crystal, is princes corpse the giant eden crystal??? Is that why hugging him lets everyone finally revive and ascend? Are we powering up the crystal by hugging him and giving everyone else a power boost? XD|| (this is rather silly i know but i quite like the idea)

[late wasp]

this is exactly what i think
and in my opinion, thousands of years being imprisoned inside the crystal makes it "red" (mad) / corrupt. until we finally break through, and hug him inside.

[late wasp]

rewatched GW elder cutscene and no dice. still not sure about what they are fighting, BUT only now I noticed that the elder "altars" are their graves. like the graves of other spirits we meet.

maybe the krill were introduced there after all the ancestor warriors passed away.

[naive flare]

Honestly imagine the loneliness of watching light creature after light creature approach you and die to your storm or some krill after clawing their way through your own desolated kingdom, until finally one little chaotic moth comes and just gives you a hug

Edit: explains why you find him in the foetal position xD, also dont mind the name change ;)

[late wasp]

i think the king having his head tucked between his knees implies he isn't even aware of what's going on outside. absorbed in his own sadness/loneliness. not realizing it is causing a storm outside, and there are multiple people trying to reach him and help him out.

Edit: name change is canon lmao

[compact shale]

Ouch... that's really...

[naive flare]

Ouch... that's really...
@compact shale the lore onion takes another victim

[compact shale]

NOT AGAIN

[naive flare]

My plan has finally been revealed! Making you feel vaguely sad and sympathetic! Mwahahahaha!!

[late wasp]

[main nest]

In context with hugging Prince/King: Is there any theory -besides game mechanics - why hugging another person charges wing power?

[compact shale]

when you're hugging someone else, you're probably touching chest holes.

edit: what goes in lorechat stays in lorechat, okay?

[main nest]

so it's bringing someone close to your own light 🤔

[turbid cliff]

So wait, The elders are dead? D:

I thought it was said at some point that everyone died, except for them. Unless that's no longer canon/was never canon and I just thought it was?

[late wasp]

i've seen far too many sky kids touching chest holes out in public!!

[main nest]

but how does it differ from lighting someone with our "physical candles"?

edit: okay wow, that sounds even weirder

[late wasp]

i believe is due to warmth, which seem to be what helps with light. seen by how we can use fire to regenerate, standing inside a burning inferno and feeling fine

[compact shale]

It's not that different, I guess. You know the person you're hugging better than a person you've never lit before. So you're already lit. But then when you bring the warmth of the chest closer...

[naive flare]

In context with hugging Prince/King: Is there any theory -besides game mechanics - why hugging another person charges wing power?
@main nest i mean honestly you can just use game mechanics for a pretty good lore explanation, going near another being or source of light gives charges your light (omg is that what wedges are? Leveling up your inner crystal so it is a bigger battery and can store more light power? Is that why the fly button has a diamond/star symbol? it all adds up! ahem) so when you hug a friend youre just bringing your flame closer to one another to charge each other up (yes sophos i suppose it probably is quite intimate now that we are thinking about it xD) so with glowey boi, youre just allowing him to bring himself closer to your flame to give him warmth and maybe to tell him he’s forgiven?

[late wasp]

touching the king's chest hole under the eden crystal 😳

[compact shale]

The King: Forgive or do not forgive?

[main nest]

that escalated quickly...

[naive flare]

Pffft help me

[willow prawn]

Omg, this early! There may be kids around!

Plenty of them, in fact. All of us

[naive flare]

Also psst Oryx, that names not a rotmg reference is it?

[late wasp]

but this is an interesting topic, jokes aside.
Ash confirmed yesterday that there are Parent-Child among ancestors.
I wonder how they reproduce, if it is required to have 2 parents, or it's required just one parent that "creates" their children alone.

[compact shale]

Lorechat does not want to talk about this.

[naive flare]

So wait, The elders are dead? D:

I thought it was said at some point that everyone died, except for them. Unless that's no longer canon/was never canon and I just thought it was?
@turbid cliff the elders a bit weird seeing as how in the cutscenes when you pray to them they dont look like spirits, i think of it as they still hold some of their power in their grave and you can almost commune with them by praying at their statue (maybe this is now explained as it might be their actual crystal that is embedded in their graves??)

[late wasp]

i mean, my head goes into 1-parent required.
making the Elders the ancestor of all the spirits inside their realm.
like the living grand-grand-grand-parent from which all other ancestors spawned.

[willow prawn]

Wait. Ash came yesterday?

[main nest]

No, I don't think so. What does the abbrevation mean?

[turbid cliff]

Ohhh. That does make sense now that I think about it!

[late wasp]

yeah, they did a AMA

[naive flare]

Wait. Ash came yesterday?
@willow prawn yeah! I was too nervous to ask anything or what i was allowed to ask or should bother asking as not to embarrass myself

[willow prawn]

Dang, missed it. Gotta re read

[haughty talon]

I hope we get more lore tying the prophecy murals to eden

[naive flare]

No, I don't think so. What does the abbrevation mean?
@main nest oh its just a very addictive game called Realm Of The Mad God (whos name is Oryx the mad god, so thats why i asked lol)

[compact shale]

It's mostly small-scope questions but it does confirm that ||Assembly and Lightseekers are indeed connected||

[main nest]

Oh I see. Haha no. I don't know it. I got my name from classmates thanks to a translation mistake I made in greek class xD
It just stuck with me

[haughty talon]

May be next season will be set in forest and finally give more lore on how forest fit into the bigger picture of the industrialised Sky world

[naive flare]

owowowo

[hushed steeple]

I was kinda hoping for a prairie season tbh. Maybe we can see how the older mechanisms worked in the early days of the kingdom

[naive flare]

Could very much help to solidify or obliterate my theory lmao

[compact shale]

Forest gets all the love...

[hushed steeple]

Fr, 3 seasons in there!

[naive flare]

Oh also, i am rather new to cotl lore, can anyone give me like a little summary on the lore of lightseekers/assembly?

[hushed steeple]

Oh god same plz help

[compact shale]

Basically, because Assembly spirits and Lightseekers spirits have similar masks, peeps think they might be related. The Assembly spirits might be the Lightseeker's descendants.

Now, yes, I know you may be thinking "but they said the Assembly spirits are descendants of Forest spirits!"

Okay, this is where it goes into speculation, it could be that each Assembly kid has 1 Lightseeker parent and 1 Forest parent (yes I know Laidback fits both categories, in that case it would be Laidback Pioneer x another Forest spirit)

As for who goes to who? I have no damn idea right now, so if anyone can make some good guesses I'm all for it.

Here's a clue from Ash: "theres also other aspects to their parents though too. specifically the jobs that their parents had as workers in hidden forest realm"

[naive flare]

Ooh, Thankyou very much !

[haughty talon]

What work did the crying spirit have? Cry all day?

[compact shale]

Their name tells you that they were a "Light Miner"

Not sure if that implies darkstone mining or not

[willow prawn]

YEAH!!

Also read about how it's more important to figure out the job of the parents' than figuring out the specific spirit? I mean. I didn't read that, it's my take

[naive flare]

What wok did the crying spirit have? Cry all day?
@haughty talon im dying noooo thats so sad and mean if you actually knowww

[haughty talon]

Miner without a ⛏ prop... 😑

We also have candle maker without a single candle in his cave

[compact shale]

Well, figuring out what their job was will definitely help narrow down the actual spirit. Godspeed.

[haughty talon]

Why did they deforest the forest? We don't see wood being a imp material of choice for any large construction

[compact shale]

Not sure about the in-universe reason, but the trees looking the way they are represent teenage isolation, according to concept art.

[naive flare]

Well we do see at least a few, and some of those trees look more dead and dissolved away rather than cut down, maybe it was darkness in the rain acting like acid rain?

[compact shale]

tree symbolism

yeah, maybe the acid dissolved them

also, petrified wood is a thing

"Petrified wood forms when plant material is buried by sediment. Sediment like dirt, ash and small rocks completely bury wood and protects it from decay from the action of oxygen and organisms. As sediment moves inside felled wood, groundwater moves in as well."

(from cutthewood.com)

[willow prawn]

Btw, in the terms of Lightseekers - Assembly, I definitely think Laid-back Pioneer and Baffled Botanist are related

Not only because of the mask (although that's a good check), but because he's the one who carries a item used specifically to produce light, the small lantern

[compact shale]

hah, good point.

[haughty talon]

Laid back pioneer - what did the spirit pioneer? Were they the first to pioneer the activity of " Sitting around doing nothing?"

[rigid mural]

Arson's a felony, if what you're doing is not illegal then it's not arson 😂

[compact shale]

That sadly seems to be something only the devs know.

unless they pioneered umbrellas and we wouldn't know it.

[burnt cove]

Guys do you know the names of the other elders?

[compact shale]

so should we call "legal arson" anti-firefighting instead?

[compact shale]

Isle: Daleth
Prairie: Ayin
Forest: Teth
Valley: Samekh (this name is for both twins, though in the fandom Sah usually refers to and Mekh usually refers to
Wasteland: Tsadi
Vault: Lamed

[willow prawn]

Which brings to question. Do you think all the lights from Lightseekers quest are in the first areas just because TGC was new making quests, or for a specific symbolism?

[compact shale]

Idk, for ease ig

[boreal nebula]

Well well.. the clouds hid the windvane for quite a long time, now I wonder on what clouds in all the Cave Of Prophecies their quarters are hid (they could also be in clouds before the stairs)

EDIT: shoot, I forgot to toggle off the ping

[compact shale]

now ash will wake up and scream /j /lh

[boreal nebula]

WAFO 🍿 🧇

[compact shale]

you can put butter on popcorn and butter on waffles but you can't put waffles on popcorn

[night pecan]

yes i can

[boreal nebula]

But their *they're (argg my brain tricks me ) just the appetizers... after all tbose waffles could be frozen cold by the time we get an anwer

[compact shale]

then you build waffle igloo

[boreal nebula]

Wwwaaaiit, last night I went for the a quick geography question to Ash... and I totally forgot to ask why no prop/additional cosmetics come with 2 spirits!

I mean, Dismiss could have given us a golden container/battery and maybe given us a name to understand the function of those thingies

[quaint coral]

Thoughts on the giant eel for the new season bc I’ve seen the thing and I’m terrifyingly intrigued at why it’s just there cus I cannot comprehend the murals

[compact shale]

||no one was supposed to see that yet, if you're gonna talk about them 🔴💎🐟 then you better spoilerrrrr||

[quaint coral]

Oh I was asking purely abt the murals and people’s ideas

[boreal nebula]

Plus the answer didnt quite satisfy my crave... (Valley can see the beam even if tin with all the light from sunset in the back, I think only in area with a veey strong sunset, like in Village + Peek it could be reasonable to hid the beam Relative Magnitude Citadel is not that bright)

[night pecan]

they might be talking about the one that swims into the manta tank area

[boreal nebula]

I think the Eel is the blue spirit one , tho

[compact shale]

All I know is that betachat apparently called them pickles.

[night pecan]

PICKLES??

[boreal nebula]

[late wasp]

some lore i only now learned.
apparently the king was not the only star to fall...

[boreal nebula]

In the old intro of the game we also speculated the 6 elders fell too as stars

[compact shale]

The elders fell too? Where?

[rigid mural]

Wierd how there are 7 spirits on the ship but 6 falling.
That 7th spirit has stars around them and a bigger headpiece... Elder ?

[boreal nebula]

It was just what we supposed from that cutscene, we saw ⁶ differemt stars fell towards each realm, check on YT for the old intro

[late wasp]

the following mural shows a Krill as the cause or result of the storm

[compact shale]

hmmm. idk...

funny how they still have praying hands while falling. imagine praying whilst in a free-fall.

OhdearMegabirdpleasespareourlivesitistooearlyforustodiepleasecushionourfallthankyouandamenAAAAAAAAAA

[late wasp]

"official" symbol for stars

[burnt cove]

Interesting

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[rigid mural]

What the hell is ThatSkyBot's username, do we really have to expect a collab with Toby Fox ? 😂

[compact shale]

i hope we will get trees

[rigid mural]

Honestly since undertale came out while Sky was in development, I could see it possibly having inspired the devs, but the vibes are so different I'm not sure how Undertale or even Deltarune could fit in Sky.

[compact shale]

GOD FRICING DAMMIT KRIS WHERE THE FRICK ARE WE

[rigid mural]

...ok but considering how most of the protagonists are not human, would that mean more animal masks

[late wasp]

for all the bad things the ancestors did, one thing we must grant to them. they never fought amongst themselves. which is quite an achievement when so many people have reality-altering powers.

[rigid mural]

Pokemon Sword and Shield came out in November 2019; it notably had a collab song with Toby Fox & Sky back then only had just begun the Belonging Season ... Shows how popular he was even before Sky came out.
Having a collab with him especially now that they're with Nintendo games could be very profitable to TGC so it's not out of the realm of possibilities...

[late wasp]

Determination Season

[rigid mural]

It is unclear whether whatever war that scarred the wastelands was a conflict between ancestors and light creatures, or between ancestors alone. It does have casualties though, like the fainting warrior.

[orchid jolt]

also interesting to note: one of those symbols has a different meaning when upside down! (it's the triangle with a line through it)

[compact shale]

it's an alchemical symbol, right?

[orchid jolt]

yeh. Apparently the star of david used to mean balance or something like that but over time the symbol stopped being used outside the jewish community and thus became assocciated with Judaism rather than alchemy

[compact shale]

mMMM, the significance of the earth symbol might not be that deep, it may have been inspired by alchemy, but none of the other symbols are

[orchid jolt]

yeh, but it still bothers me a bit lol

[rigid mural]

Yeah with the symbol changes in quests, this leads me to believe the devs just chose random symbols

[orchid jolt]

It is now, I brought a shovel

[orchid jolt]

reminder, its also just a theory that what we hug is the prince/king. A likely theory, but still just a theory.

[lyric isle]

did I seriously just miss Ash answering questions

curse timezones

[orchid jolt]

i mean, you missed it by like more than 8 hours so i wouldnt say "just missed it"

[lyric isle]

I’m mainly scared about this

does this mean the LP spirits are real

[orchid jolt]

note: they did say it was their interpretation so its not neccissarily true

[lyric isle]

“…And also [the LP spirits] are trapped in their own vices…”

note her saying ‘are’ instead of elaborating interpretation

[orchid jolt]

i mean, they do have those chains

[lyric isle]

maybe they became real from the amalgamations of thought I believe they are

I refuse to believe they were ever alive, real people

[orchid jolt]

you do know that one can argue that a thought is real, right?

[main nest]

I mean, of course. No need to remind me of the game's openness to interpretation. Talking about theories is true for most of the discussion the statement was in - if you follow the context

[orchid jolt]

i just like to clarify that for any lore moths

[lyric isle]

yeah my headcanons for the LP spirits are wack

they’re manifestations of various thoughts and dreams given form and sentience, and a way for scholars to leave their hatred of certain things behind

@orchid jolt ok good point

i’m hella salty that i missed this opportunity

i could’ve had everything answered

theories are fun but unseen info revealed

enchantment lore please

[late wasp]

a true lore seeker would learn 3d modelling, apply to multiple game dev jobs, make a curriculum, and click the Careers link in TGC's website. Getting hired as a 3D Environment Artist would guarantee direct contact with the lore bible

[lyric isle]

season of loreseekers

[compact shale]

I'm sorry but... TGC has a weapon... NDAs

[lyric isle]

I just want my Enchantment crumbs

[late wasp]

tgc: "why do you want this job?"

"I need answers"

[vague lotus]

I don't know where to ask this but :
It can be dev lore, and oob spoiler, so, maybe this channel.
About the little black pig statue under dream village map, is it a wink to the black pig in Zelda the Wind Waker ?
I don't know if the answer is somewhere but I wanted to share my question somewhere.
Thank you for your reading

[orchid jolt]

i gave up on trying to drown at the end of orbit

[compact shale]

Megabird is looking at you in contempt. This was not how you were meant to use Update Manta.

[orchid jolt]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message
The heck you think I'm doing? ||/j||

[orchid jolt]

i will try again probably at some point in the castle part of orbit by using the reset checkpoint thing to get to the area of water way below the castle thing

[compact shale]

‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌
🥤

[orchid jolt]

since it would be oobing, it wouldnt be lore but rather curiosity

Note: lighting friend stars doesnt count for the light x amount of candles quest

[desert escarp]

Where???

[vague lotus]

Where what ? '^'

[desert escarp]

Pig ofc

[vague lotus]

Read my message again, it's written in it

[desert escarp]

Well, where exactly?

[orchid jolt]

below the dream village in valley. its an oob. many people see the rock and think of crabs while others think of pigs

[desert escarp]

i can read, ty. But where in dreams village?

[orchid jolt]

Also, @vague lotus
https://youtu.be/Mp205zGdRjU

[desert escarp]

ooo, thank you)

[orchid jolt]

if you just go below the village of dreams, and look around, you'll see the rock

[desert escarp]

hhhmmmm, look like cow to me

[late wasp]

[vague lotus]

Oh, so, it's a four legs crab :o (crabs have more legs)
I came back to this oob after Abyss release, the orange is darker °^° and we can dive here too.

[neat flint]

[icy spruce]

Hello lore chat and close ups pf worm leviathan :)

[compact shale]

||60 foot frame, eyes on her back||

no i will not elaborate

[icy spruce]

wkwkwkwkwkkwwkkwkw

||we don’t talk abt worm leviathan ||

[night pecan]

||i like to call him "leviathan" like, just leviathan, like the movie or smth||

||king krill works too||

[orchid jolt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrbp2qq8Z2M
I guess we know what the eyes of the shadows from fire trial are... (and that idle elder, bumbling boatswain, and sky kids can apparently make em too....) /j

[static meteor]

what's the topic today, lorechat?

[nimble ingot]

hey @pastel brook , the name Toby in your name has nothing to do with Undertale, right?

[grim python]

they did say that there would be a collab season later this year but there’s no way it’s an undertale collab

…right?

[boreal nebula]

@short owl to be clear it could be a bug or plothole, but on the back of Forgotten Ark there is the pool of dark water where the Red Light circles around that is deep enough

But I could fell pretty easy bellow the water level on a waterless little space with no water (even the days before season started)
SOOO ... I guess we need to wait devs to implemented an actually deep dark pool!

[nimble ingot]

Oreo meeting the annoying dog, or temmie would break so many 4th walls.

[nimble ingot]

The dark water behind the ark has been there since the season took place.
Both the water hole you are referring to, as well as the one inside the cave where the indifferent alchemist's memory ends.

I believe the reason those bodies of water never changed is to show the wasteland is still toxic, and the safe water beside the ark is like an oasis. A place the merchant spirits and the skykid worked on.

[frigid tinsel]

Jam, I’m sorry, what

[twilit blade]

They will be baked soon.

[hushed steeple]

[coarse gate]

I just started the season of abyss and found something

[late wasp]

i'm disappointed by how you never showed the bottom part @nimble ingot lmao

so all the waste darkness collected at the bottom, forming the emperor krill

[nimble ingot]

I havent shown any screenshots of a mural, so I just tagged/link someone else's. Sorry about that.

[late wasp]

ah that makes so much more sense

[naive flare]

Hey lore, is this chat making anyone else bug out when they try scroll up? xD

welp, went on the computer, all good now ehe

[frigid tinsel]

that's what happens when there's over 400 messages to catch up with.
i was about halfway through but took psychic damage

[naive flare]

lol at what point?

[nimble ingot]

maybe the flying spaghetti monster, lol.

[naive flare]

omg i need to catch up on that, i will be back!

[keen shore]

Nobody tell them

Out of curiosity, does anyone remember any murals at all in Valley or can I skip that until new seasonal areas are added? (I’m adding the citadel sparrow constellation but that’s the only one I know of)

[nimble ingot]

I dont recall any murals in Valley of triumph (including the vilalge of dream and maze inside the temple).
The only details that would be similar to murals in Valley of Triumph would be the details on the stone walls (the diamond, stripes and triangle decals).

Very likely.
The devs did warn that current areas will be unpolished, because we were not able to access them in previous updates.

So new underwater areas are a possibility, riri.

[coarse gate]

Also found this

[coarse gate]

Did they build a temple

[nimble ingot]

The diamond tower could look like a temple, though likely not one that an elder would have.

It would be epic if there was a secret elder, or someone of similar importance. Like a priest or an active apprentice.

[coarse gate]

Welp I have to wait for the next quest

[hushed steeple]

Abyss likely flooded darkstone mining facility.

Prolly used captive mantas in some way :/

[coarse gate]

Did they find a giant King Krill before so is that right they built the temple over the reef in the first place

[coarse gate]

That makes more sense

[hushed steeple]

They prolly had the critters before it flooded. As to if they caught and kept a dark creature, or if they had a light creature that turned dark, who knows.

Would a coelacanth make a good battery?

im just guessing coelacanth it could be somethin else corrupted

[frigid tinsel]

Here: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[tulip aspen]

its a felony to some people but not the people im getting paid by 👀

[rigid mural]

are they hiring

[tulip aspen]

AHAHAHHAHAHAHAH

WE WERE RIGHT YALL

omg crap did i ping

RAIDER STOP IM SCARED ENOUGH

[keen shore]

You joke but I am genuinely tempted to do this

[keen shore]

Revenge

[nimble ingot]

you also need to know Chinese, unless I misread the requirements.

[distant turtle]

Kinda looks like they are farming. There’s something about hierarchy of manta size with deeper levels and also more diamonds accumulating at lower levels. Also looks like one tube is in the up direction and one in the down direction. Maybe to generate energy to do work.
Maybe a more fleshed out and animal welfare friendly version of the concept art “manta grinder”.

[late wasp]

it's the 3 years experience that might be the deal breaker, although with a decent curriculum i'm sure they can look past it.

and I don't think you have to @nimble ingot

how I would go about it, is making a couple fan concept art and 3D levels. slowly but surely build a following here with that, until you become a microcelebrity inside the community itself. that should help you stick out from the crowd and get a chance at getting a job

[upbeat wind]

Hey guyss

[nimble ingot]

yes?

[boreal nebula]

I like so much this spot

[tulip aspen]

s t o p

[tulip aspen]

decent curriculum

homeless tradesman tears ensue

[keen shore]

Place your child directly in the middle of a loaf of bread in order to get a nice and warm center without having to worry about undercooking it. (Great for filling too - tastes like pineapple!)

[frigid tinsel]

yall are more likely to successfully bake moth pie than get a job at TGC

[keen shore]

This is true it’s just funny to think about

[hexed whale]

Hey, not really sure I understand the games lore other than the message they were trying to convey. Does anyone have something I can read that is a general consensus?

[tulip aspen]

as someone who's dream job is narrative development, it's not that funny

[frigid tinsel]

there is the lore moth doc but it's a chonky lad (and kinda outdated).

[tulip aspen]

extremely outdated

[hexed whale]

That’s fine, I’ve been playing for a while and just never got into the lore.

[frigid tinsel]

oh, i get that. i'm a writer by trade and oh jeez. sorry i touched too deep.

[tulip aspen]

s o o n 👀

but until then you can look at my stuff ig, which are all general concensi made by groups of us here in chat

the most interesting ones are the krill doc, anatomy doc, light doc, and mindspace doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XrfbCBoPzm4GBZXS6rP1eK9X7XyN11RfttUi_03zQgc/edit?usp=drivesdk

[tulip aspen]

you are??
what do you do

[hexed whale]

Thanks, I appreciate it 🙂

[frigid tinsel]

almost finished my BFA in creative writing and halfway through my MA, currently got a freelance gig writing news articles about my local queer community, but I hope to become an editor to support a career writing novels and other stuff. i mean that's the plan rn

and rn i'm making my grad class read Sky fanfic ¯_(ツ)_/¯
hyperfocus go brrrr

[frigid tinsel]

you should also check the pins, they have a lot of content linked worth checking out

[tulip aspen]

i wish you all the best, from one career freelancer to another

[frigid tinsel]

you too, bud

[compact shale]

Godspeed, Alasdair!
||having your class read your skyfic... How did you pull it off? ||

[frigid tinsel]

i didn't introduce it as Sky fanfic, I just said it was inspired by a video game character. it's the one about the Valley elder(s) but the details in the draft right now are vague enough that it wouldn't have caused too much confusion by those outside the fandom.

it did give me an excuse to go on a tangent about Sky. got at least one person to download the game.

[compact shale]

Ooh, nice.

[frigid tinsel]

my professor said it was really good and that I'm welcome to submit fanfic anytime

[keen shore]

Ages ago a creative writing teacher made us submit fanfiction as like, an assignment. It was so surreal

[frigid tinsel]

professor said that fanfic has literary merit, don't let the "purists" get to you and think otherwise.

[late wasp]

that's very nice, Alas. we can say you just didn't lore dive, you lore michael phelps it. if you feel like sharing your story, i'm sure some people here would love to read it.

[orchid jolt]

Way ahead of you.
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[keen shore]

THIS IS TRUE, it does, it just felt super weird doing it. let’s be real a lot of fanfics are better written than actual books

[late wasp]

few people know this, but almost any decent story starts as a "fanfic", later adapted into being its own thing.

[orchid jolt]

what is fiction if not merely a fanfic of reality?

[frigid tinsel]

yea, quite of few of my original stories started as Minecraft fanfiction. Minecraft was merely the platform the stories occurred on, so I just lifted them out and into my own universe.
btw don't call me Alas. "Al" or "Dair" or my full name is okay.

[late wasp]

I will call you 'as' /jk

[tulip aspen]

dassa good professor (they prolly just have fanfic of their own ehe)

[keen shore]

Almost everyone who likes to write has fanfiction. The question is if they have the guts to admit it or not

[nimble ingot]

I had an idea of making a short animation about skykids.
I have a short story thought out, though had not taken the time to write it out properly.
It is where I deviate from an objective (as in, not biased and fanon based) approach to the lore.

The game does allow for this, though that does not excuse it from neglecting its own canon lore.

[frigid tinsel]

when it's done, i'll post it to AO3, for now have a sneak peek

[tulip aspen]

i like my work being polished lol, so if i talk about it it's not a fanfic it's a story

[keen shore]

That’s really good writing Alasdair I love your writing style I rarely write fanfiction just because I have a weird shyness about people knowing what my interests are, but I vastly admire people who do

[hushed steeple]

Mine would read like a youtube playthrough of a version that does not exist BAHAAaa

[lyric isle]

hello all

currently thinking about how much thin ice my headcanons are on
the fact that some of them are because of how much I hate certain things and are as a means of coping

“mechanical blinking” and “lp spirits are manifestations of thought” for example

ash seemed to imply that the lp spirits are real people

though ‘real’ can be defined many ways?

[frigid tinsel]

thank you
Honestly, I'm very open about my interests, though most people irl don't know I write fanfiction. In fact, I haven't written fanfiction since early high school. Last year I started teasing a Minecraft fic then last month I couldn't get the story I've been constructing in Sky out of my head and just had to write some of it down. Also this was more of an experimental freewrite musing on the nature of the Valley elder(s) but it's really turning into something.

[frigid tinsel]

"reality" is subjective. what make something real? is it how tangible something else, whether you can see it or not, what it's made of, it's interactivity? how real can things be? certainly the things in the Vault are evident appear real but how much is it possible or worth inquiring into the "reality" these things have?

I do think the Vault between the third and sixth floors are hiding something, but we can interact with it. is it an illusion or where different planes of existence touch?

[lyric isle]

by ‘real people’ in terms of spirits I mean them as “spirits of dead ancestors that existed in the kingdom”

the LP spirits not ascending feels contradictory to the game, and it’s cruel if as a “you can’t save everyone” narrative, as the whole idea of the game’s story is to help the spirits ascend

thus why I don’t think they existed before that way

tl;dr I allude LP spirits being neglected to them not being from dead people as otherwise it’d legit be heartbreaking

it’s not in skykid nature to ignore spirits. no spirit should be left behind
they can’t be the same kind

[tulip aspen]

they meant real as in real ancestors

[lyric isle]

yeah that’s what I’m referring to

I beg they aren’t because it’d make me angry (for reasons listed above)

[tulip aspen]

olay

[tulip aspen]

a bit of both, if the mindspace is real

[lyric isle]

this wacky theory is the only thing I like about LP tbh
it’s ok to not like things but I’d rather it not damage my view of the game and its creators for mistreating characters dear to me (this is personal but yeah)

it’s stopping me from going utterly ballistic. these are strong words but I’m dreading the next collab so much

this whole theory is because I don’t want spirits to be left suffering and not cared about this way

[hushed steeple]

Lol I was thinking when you said you think masks are mechanical blinking, that canoneers mask was going to completely mash both of our skykids eyes headcanons RIP headlight eyes

[lyric isle]

my justification is it being an exception through light magic to re-implement the eye lights or something

[tulip aspen]

rip

i mean in general they should have soft-conned the seasonal area after the copyright ended

i thought we would get actual spirit memories, and that the rose guide would actually disappear, but instead they just made him gReY

i wouldnt call it lazy, as the development of tlp was already such a big investment, but it still feels.... thrown aside? idk

[late wasp]

what is LP?

[hushed steeple]

Season of Kirby next so the deep hidden Kumazaki lore thats very solid and connects to other stuff can rub off on sky.

[lyric isle]

It’s contradictory to the game to go “go save the spirits! but not these ones they deserve nothing”

saying they aren’t real would explain. problem solved

[south badger]

it’s kinda hard to implement a story that’s not yours with an entirely different universe into your own lore and have it make much sense to be fair. i think the whole point is interpreting tlp in your own way so i don’t think there’s any right answers

[hushed steeple]

But just the fact they come back down, and are eligible for TS, means they also get saved?

[lyric isle]

I hope at least

what Ash said can just be headcanon anyway
but the phrasing is concerning

“my interpretation of slouching soldier is that they did have a family.
And also these spirits in SD are trapped in their own vices..similar to the characters they were based off of from the book! Thats the idea behind them wearing chains, as a way to depict that theyre burdened by their flaws.”

prob looking too much into it
but ‘my interpretation’ vs using ‘be’ verb

[south badger]

was it confirmed tlp spirits will return as ts

[tulip aspen]

no the point is if the copyright was over they could have easily retconned the prince from the memories completely

if that had to mean making them not even really have a proper memory, so that it looks like at least the skid helps them escape, so be it?

[hushed steeple]

TLP spirits can return as TS, prince pants, and TLP ults will not ever return

[lyric isle]

TSes aren’t really canon anyway (I think at least)

but if so, in that case it’d be them being able to manifest elsewhere or something

but why can you ascend them then

[hushed steeple]

Yeah people overthink TLP season too much. Its for TLP not for sky. Its for emotion not reason.

[keen shore]

Tangent from voluntarys last line, what even does ascending a spirit with the candles mean?? They change color so it has to be something, although I’m not sure what it would accomplish that hasn’t been accomplished already by jsut reliving their memories

[lyric isle]

I don’t want them to be real it’d make me livid towards the devs aaaaaa

you create a narrative about saving these spirits but then do this

[hushed steeple]

Im not gonna say thats wrong...

But it can’t be healthy :/

[tulip aspen]

it definitely means something, but they dont actually add to what it means with any actual gameplay or scene

ascension, and traveling spirits in general, really should be reworked so that it fits in snug with the narrative, but they never will

[lyric isle]

you’re right about that
have been getting better at self-control

I wouldn’t outright lash out anyway, that’s common sense

but yeah uh

[keen shore]

I honestly avoid overanalyzing tlp stuff because who even knows how much of it is canon. I don’t want to write up essays on something that might not even be real

[south badger]

but consider not everyone gets the luxury of having conversations in the discord and lore channel how do you retcon in game and make it an understandable thing is what i’d wonder, not to mention how hard the lore is to understand in general if you only play the game and don’t talk to anyone about it
(personally i don’t think any of it is this that deep past it being a collab event without considering heavy lore implications but it’s interesting to theorize)

[hushed steeple]

That they are now convinced skykingdom is in good hands and are so happy they fill with light to Shepard off to orbit.

[lyric isle]

I would’ve just completely ignored LP if not for my attachment to spirits…but most of all, the entrance to the Desert in the Wind Paths

could just be a place with none of that happening but still

[hushed steeple]

I do think them changing color is the depiction of them “shepherding light” to orbit by filling with it like in the megabird diagram

[late wasp]

didn't ash talk about tlp spirits like 2 days ago?
that they are too attached to the world (hence the chains)

[south badger]

yeah i mean that’s the big lesson in the original story too

[hushed steeple]

Yeah, that the VICES chain them. Greed, narcissism, ect.

[lyric isle]

but we’re supposed to save spirits

I don’t want to leave any to rot

[late wasp]

you can't force-save someone, which is also a lesson there

[hushed steeple]

You do save TLP spirits too though?

You relive them and free em just like all others.

[lyric isle]

this is prob what it means when I’ve been told not to get attached to them

they’re still our ancestors and caretakers and all that. it’s cruel

[hushed steeple]

You free them though im confused

[late wasp]

i havent done that quest yet, i should probably do it and return here

[compact shale]

Yeah, I don't want to start any topics on TLP

I really think it should be ignored except in geographical terms (apparently the area where Starlight Desert is is real)

[lyric isle]

they aren’t real people. I will stick to that forever just to avoid being brought down by this

they manifested. they’re not real

[south badger]

when has gloating narcissist ever taken care of me 🤧

[hushed steeple]

BUT YOU DO FREE THEM?!

[tulip aspen]

wha

literally, lets look at slouch without the prince or dialogue

he throws down his bottle in anguish, falls to the floor

[place where prince dialogue would be]

he gets up and walks over to another bottle that he also throws down

he slouches, sad

that's all we need.
many base and seasonal spirits are like that, it shows them reliving their memory, painful or not, and the fact that we freed them makes it the last time they relive it, and they ascend towards the nearest elder!
should be simple as

[lyric isle]

all the other seasons are about helping the spirits

why leave these ones behind

[compact shale]

Reliving memories isnt the same as ascending them

And having your smol boi roast them isn't helping anyone

[lyric isle]

they aren’t real

even if I’m completely wrong I’m sticking with this

[tulip aspen]

why the

did it make that little sense?

that would make them work like any other spirit

right?
bru

[hushed steeple]

No seasonal spirit is ascended until you yellow them :/ they still desend down to home to give you goodies so they are back up!

TLP spirits don’t allow their personal problems fixed so they can just go back up without any big revelations.

[compact shale]

Starlight Desert is Vault's biggest illusion
Edit: that's a lie Vault is Vault's biggest illusion

Also TS probably aren't canon

[lyric isle]

if we did ask Ash and she said they’re real what do I do

[sharp lichen]

Ah, non-canonicity, the best bandage to solve your lore problems!

[lyric isle]

who wants to help me write a fixfic about skykids getting together to support the LP gang /hj

[compact shale]

WHERE IS THE FIC DOC VOL

[hushed steeple]

Starlight is real to myself >:/ and the spirits there went back up. Is it that they didn’t get their vices fixed? I guess that is tragic. But I like too many antagonist to care if they improve as people.

[sharp lichen]

I have a stupid headcanon where the LP spirits were King supporters and were put in the Starlight Desert as a punishment

[lyric isle]

we see all the spirits ascend
why are these exceptions

[hushed steeple]

Storyclimax reasons

If they didnt go up they wouldnt be able to come back doen

[south badger]

that’s not what i meant exactly. reliving individual spirits isn’t difficult to understand what’s happening in the memories, im more so referring to how vague the lore is itself, murals and many things you have to piece together - and playing on things you wouldn’t know about if you didn’t talk to other people here who know about early game concepts and stuff like that is kinda what i was talking about

[compact shale]

I have a stupid headcanon where TLP was created as someone who could rule better than the current King

Yeah if that's the case then the scholars aren't the sanest people out there

[hushed steeple]

Guess we are gonna wait for TLP TS so we can yellow them and feel better :/

[lyric isle]

I am a little too deep in my headcanons

but they aren’t real. they never will be to me
ash didn’t say concretely

wait what did the concept art stream say

[frigid tinsel]

Feels like saying “it’s not real” to protect your headcanons is a cop-out

[tulip aspen]

oh definitely that's just TGC being weird in general lol

[lyric isle]

it is
it’s me burying myself in denial many feet under the earth

[compact shale]

Well this is Vault so

Anything can seem to happen

[tulip aspen]

i mean, yeah, but no need to call it out i suppose

let them live their world lol

[weary escarp]

really puts into perspective of what the collapse looked like

[lyric isle]

it is kinda delusional, but it stops me from getting angry about the implications, and overall makes things more enjoyable on my end as a whole regarding LP and all the lore tbh

[hushed steeple]

Self imposed implications

[compact shale]

I'm just gonna confess
||I might have fallen into Vol's TLP rabbit hole||

But my lore opinion on SoTLP is that everything except for Starlight Desert's existence isn't canon because it is a collab so we should just ignore it

[hushed steeple]

Hey I get it. Angst can be tasty

[lyric isle]

welcome to the “starlight desert dream experiment” land

enjoy your stay if you can get out of it
i’m trapped here but don’t want to come out

[weary escarp]

TGC could’ve done TLP the destiny way like they did with the 30th anniversary and I see similarities everywhere

[hushed steeple]

I found out that the stary manta only appears in starlight on even hours (my time) so every other hour.

[lyric isle]

I have the most ridiculous ideas for the core purpose of coping with things
help

[weary escarp]

speaking of,

any D2 players here?

[hushed steeple]

Sorry Im a nintendo blintendo

[weary escarp]

5 twabs until witch queen GOD it’ll be the longest 5 weeks in my life

[frigid tinsel]

I mean, to me the “it’s not real” points and the convoluted theories to circumvent what we see feels dismissive of what’s in game. Yes, SoTLP was a collab, yet TGC did work a story that integrated with the Sky world, so clearly they intended for some of that to be “real” to some extent.
Yes the Vault’s ucky wuckyness doesn’t help

[lyric isle]

the problem is probably the way I see the game being very strict at times
and potentially the same goes for the devs’ view

and those not aligning go wrong

[keen shore]

I do think it’s real to some extent, for example, I think at the very least it means there’s a desert outside vault. Trying to figure out what parts of it are real so I can make educated guesses and theories about it is just… a headache, so it’s a can of worms I usually stay away from…

The main thing I will say is that I think a lot of the structures are an illusion mostly because they all… conveniently… focus around the spirit within them’s struggles, so maybe it’s like they got so caught up in their issues that they somehow projected them into the whole vault illusion magic. Sort of like how dreams work, where you can’t consciously control them but sometimes if you think of something happening enough it does

[lyric isle]

yeah definitely to do with/comparable to dreams

“where dreamlike worlds collide”

[compact shale]

We probably won't know the answer because Ash says it'll be left up to player interpretation, in that case if we're gonna canonchase then we should just ignore the season entirely (except for Starlight Desert's geographical location)

[copper saffron]

the collapse? I’m new to the lore of the game

[south badger]

while this is fun i really don’t think tgc thought this hard about the collab’s effects on all the lore and that’s why this is such a headache to theorize about and why ash’s answers might be vague

[lyric isle]

yeah I got that feeling

[lyric isle]

henlo, welcome to lore chat

I’m Voluntary, and I have…well…ludicrously convoluted theories about some stuff

dw other stuff is simpler

[copper saffron]

I love convoluted theories

[weary escarp]

…mmm

pretty ambiguous, but ruins evidently point to a bygone civilization, as well as all the spirits and elders we meet

the light was used as an energy source in everything but with the imbalance caused the dark to thrive, as well as an incident in Eden that ruined the city into what it is now, the elders are leaders of what remained after the collapse

power diamonds are the common form, seen all over ships and power lines in the village of dreams that lead to the coliseum

[lyric isle]

thank you for changing the topic
LP gives lore brain a headache with bizarre attempts at remedy

[south badger]

also pollution is the big bad guy

[keen shore]

My attitude towards it is that it’s fun to think about, but content from that season shouldn’t really be used as evidence towards theories considering we don’t know how reliable it is, and if it gives you a headache to justify and there’s no other instances of something similar happening (like with the spirits not ascending) it’s probably a noncanon thing outside of the season itself

[lyric isle]

i’m just very attached to the spirits and feel upset at the implication
that’s another problem though

[weary escarp]

this as well ^^^

it’s kinda theorized that krills are corrupted light creatures but I think they’re inherently dark

[keen shore]

Just these spirits or all spirits in general? If it’s the second we’re in the same boat here lol

[lyric isle]

attached to everyone

[south badger]

maybe we can move on from the topic to avoid any more negative feelings

[compact shale]

It's not a theory, it was apparently a dev statement

[weary escarp]

of them being corrupted?

ah

[frigid tinsel]

Crabs specifically have dark rabies

[south badger]

makes sense with the light krill we see in angler’s memories. unless it’s just the way they designed spirit memory krill with that color ?

[weary escarp]

likely the latter

[lyric isle]

so what about the marine and/or baby krill in the treasure reef

does corruption make them bigger
no idea

[compact shale]

Ywah, it's just a memory thing

[hushed steeple]

Yeah. When you watch the spirit scene the krill is black

[frigid tinsel]

It’s just how that krill, and everything, looks in memories

[south badger]

oh you’re right , totally didn’t even consider that

[hushed steeple]

BUT IT IS SMALL

[keen shore]

More mantas in the dead manta pile = bigger krill

[lyric isle]

are krill amphibious or is this a marine variant

[frigid tinsel]

Otherwise, why would a Light creature be stalking an ancestor?

[compact shale]

I guess darkness took a younger smoler light creature...

[weary escarp]

still enough to krill your light out

but it hits like a crab

[frigid tinsel]

Crabs are worse than krill due to sheer annoyance factor, change my mind

[lyric isle]

i’m assuming baby krill
they are organic after all
rip war machines theory

[south badger]

krill have risen from dark water in wasteland for a while so i assume they can just be in both the water and out of it

[lyric isle]

yeah so amphibious

[compact shale]

Krill need to stay moist

___
🥤

[frigid tinsel]

krill sippin’ noises

[south badger]

amphibious feels like such a weird word for krill… lol

[frigid tinsel]

Well krill aren’t really on land, they fly

[pseudo venture]

olm krill..axolotl krill

[south badger]

amphivian

yeah imagine a krill running towards you on land really fast

[pseudo venture]

behold.. the krill

[lyric isle]

what have we learnt today

I am way too deep in some headcanons but some of these are for my sanity

anyway

[pseudo venture]

i learned krill are wet and slimy like a frog or salamander

[lyric isle]

that is more important

anyway imma go now because ye

[keen shore]

Goodbye!!

[sharp lichen]

Hello tebkanlo

[high bison]

Hey would you look at that

[frigid tinsel]

today in lorechat: moth baking, fanfiction, unreality, and amphibious krills

[compact shale]

The W Y R M

[sharp lichen]

JORM THE WORM

[sharp lichen]

the jorm stands for jormungandr

[keen shore]

I am really curious about this mural specifically, it doesn’t match the giant creatures in the other ones (spikier, different mouth) and I’m like 90% sure all the murals are from the people that were there and left pre abyss spirits. Is it showing how the first group crashed and discovered the island in the first place??

[boreal nebula]

Im still overthinking this...

Did devs decide to avoid Dismiss Protector to have a (lets just say for example) golden container as prop because it could have revealed us too soon their name?

Name and function that maybe we will get later on with the current Season?

Are those golden thingies really batteries/accumulator of energy as we suppise here in Lore?
||Yes, I want props with a meaning/FUNctionality.. imagine if we will get a Project Lantern that would work with the Memory Crystal we got from Wise Granpa :pwow:||

[compact shale]

Oh, that reminds me of... the Desert Scourge, from the Calamity mod! hehe...

[frigid tinsel]

my friend said it reminded them of this enemy from a Legend of Zelda game

[high bison]

Does that mean it’s just

Out there somewhere?

In the ocean?

||(Nice healthy dose of existential dread for y’all)||

[compact shale]

The ancestor in the boat seems to be raising its arms in a position associated with rejoice, reverence, or getting arrested.

[frigid tinsel]

giant lovecraftian spiky worm creature: you're under arrest, put your hands up where i can see 'em

[keen shore]

Or just fear, although the idea of being arrested by a giant worm is hilarious and I almost want to say that’s what happened for that reason alone

[south badger]

dune sandworm

[keen shore]

Not scary: giant worm
Scary: giant cop worm

[high bison]

Hey look it’s that statue from Sanctuary

[sharp lichen]

huh

[high bison]

There are like similar tail statutes in the sanctuary islands

[compact shale]

Yeah, whale tail statues... wonder what those were for...

[sharp lichen]

they could just be monuments?

[keen shore]

My best guess is maybe manta summoning, considering this one summons a manta and other one is in sanc islands where that happens all the time. I’m not really sure how it would work, though — it looks like solid stone without any mechanisms

Maybe it used to have a similar function in sanctuary but that function got cut from the final product but they kept the statue

[frigid tinsel]

Think there’s more to it since meditating in front of it summoning upgrade manta

[boreal nebula]

I think mayb the LightHouse Temple (like those showing the way to old sailor IRL) was left after they got attached by that giant spikiecreature

That is because I dont think the giant creature, that some call King Krill (tho im not sure if the name is fitting, bcs I didnt want to sneak peek in there)m was able to leave scratches on the LightHouse like those we see there!

I think they maybe captured giant creature to cure it, like they curred mantas in the acquarium, but that was felt somehow as giantcreature was kidnapped in the eyes of spikiecreature, thus it attacked!

Sleeoy words might not express well what I mean, but hope it's clear enough😅

[keen shore]

But the issue is, what happened to the spiky creature??

what if it’s the result of a corrupted skeleton bursting through the skin of, say, a whale or something and it’s the first stage to becoming a krill

[compact shale]

I tried asking Ash more about Update Manta but it got WAFO'd

[frigid tinsel]

tldr: ancestors honked around and found out

[keen shore]

I want to do a bunch of alt krill designs sometime that are like… dead manta blob krill, mechanical krill, skeleton bursting through host’s skin krill but MAN they are hard to draw

[frigid tinsel]

Perhaps we’re gonna learn more about all this stuff in the upcoming quests

[compact shale]

Guess so. For now, to me, Update Manta's either a fancy software or a manta spirit fusing with us.

[high bison]

it’s out there somewhere

[boreal nebula]

If only I didnt rushed diving into Treasure Reef I could have made a video/meme about that powerup pillar compared to those in Sanctuary not working

"Where is my power ups? Been waiting since August 2020!"

[compact shale]

what if accepting the update manta made you transform magical girl-style lmao

[frigid tinsel]

I mean, we kinda did

[boreal nebula]

We always hace magic girl transformations already with new Wedges, you sure what a new kind of transformation?

[compact shale]

I DONT KNOW WHAT IM THINKING IT'S STILL A WIP FANART

[boreal nebula]

Idk you, but sometimes I wonder which is the front and the back of a boat, like for example I was in Prairie Cave and finally got the confirm that the side towards the tunnel with stairs is the front side of the boat, with a more waterdynamic blade on the bottom

Any idea why there are some wax in front of the mine big opening in Treasure Reef? I didnt see any plant there yet, are those just waterwax out of place?

[high bison]

We need to see that

Was this place a mine?

[compact shale]

Yeah, most likely.

[high bison]

WHAT IS THIS

[keen shore]

I wish I could give you an answer but that creature weirds me out too lol

[high bison]

Darkstone?

[compact shale]

That eel? no idea. But Ash calls it a pickle.

[frigid tinsel]

it might be. what interests me is that we've never seen actual darkstone up until now, just corrupted darkstone and power diamonds

[tulip aspen]

so what do you think?

were they people trapped by illusions created by the vault, and they are lost in their own psyches?

[tulip aspen]

for me personally i have to add my findings on it to the canonchasing book simply because it boasts the utter extent of the mindspace's powers

[frigid tinsel]

tbh, i don't know what to make of it. more likely the spirits are trapped in their own psyches – people dig their own holes all the time, that's what the chains represent. but the whole thing?

at most, we can take what we can take at face value until we have strong evidence to the contrary, which we really don't. things just don't add up. seems sus. it's all ucky wucky.

[tulip aspen]

meh for me i think it makes plenty of sense

we've been down this road before but rip

[compact shale]

Yeah, except... where in SD are we meditating?

[keen shore]

I’ve heard a theory they’re prisoners and that the whole illusion magic thing was weaponized to trap them with their worst faults. Which, is a really neat idea, and I can see pretty easily how that would be a use. What I don’t get is why them? You’d think it would be a punishment for murderers or other extreme criminals, but none of them really ruin anyone but themselves

[frigid tinsel]

criminals can get away with their crimes if they got money, but the less wealthy folk make up most of the prison population.

[keen shore]

Also it’s weird nobody’s mentioned this but the starlight desert by default cannot be fully canon/non illusioned. Why? There are stars in the sky

[keen shore]

I understand this but considering there’s only four people here and how severe the punishment is, you’d think it would be reserved for extreme cases, not just common criminals

[frigid tinsel]

maybe they were extreme cases

[compact shale]

why would you arrest the geographer tho?

[frigid tinsel]

they mapped something that shouldn't be mapped /hj

[tulip aspen]

good point

i could say that that's how strong the spirit's illusions are; that they have actively materialized these things more solidly, just like how sanct and assembly team materializes bells and materials out of their will.

however, that's gratifiably a stretch ofc so you're right, it does it a dead end

[keen shore]

A maybe explanation for this is that they focused on guilt unrelated to their crimes so that they’d forget they had the potential to commit them, so if they ever escaped they wouldn’t try to do it again because they’d be focused on that instead. Which, okay, but it still feels like a copout

[tulip aspen]

that was my theory and the conclusion to your question i had previously came up with was a headcanon that they refused the religion; rejected trying to continue the journey to ascension

does that make sense idk if that makes sense

[compact shale]

So Starlight Desert is the TRUE hell?

[frigid tinsel]

the four spirits trapped in Starlight Desert on par with the three men forever being chewed up in Satan's mouths in Dante's Inferno

[keen shore]

It makes sense, but if we say that manta smoothies happened in this civilization, which obviously stops said mantas from ascending, I’m not sure they’d be punished that badly — it seems kind of hypocritical

[compact shale]

I guess manta go vwerrrrrr is less bad than drinking sewage

[frigid tinsel]

perhaps they were supposed to be let out, like it wasn't an eternal punishment, just for so many years, but gestures to civilization collapsing

[tulip aspen]

well there's also the tower of babel theory; that the prince's intention was to activate the red diamond to create the beacon of light that would manually ascend anyone, even those who didn't really have a connection to the light

this is a yikes for a lot of ppl but also the only metaphor i can come up with;
the beacon of light was basically a free pass to heaven without actually ever going to church

[frigid tinsel]

something something indulgences

[compact shale]

even more scummier

you pay money to use the heavenvator

[copper saffron]

ok I need a lore rundown
what exactly is the darkness, where did it come from, what happened to this world
what's ascension, eden, I’m so confused

[icy spruce]

Darkness is corrupted light, prolly came from diamonds but that’s a theory

Ascension is basically u returning from the light (orbit/megabirb) eden is where the king lives and is a holy land until a diamond went BOOM (well, Eden is a holy land is from concept arts, the diamond went boom and king living in 3den is a theory

[compact shale]

That's the abridged version of what we know

[tulip aspen]

yea, thats what the ending mural in prophecy possibly meant to me; that the prince was trying to find a way so that everyone could ascend quicker without the entire enlightment process and worship people were doing in order to reconnect to the light

[tulip aspen]

thank you for answering i was getting ready to write 3 paragraphs @_@

[compact shale]

Why did Princey want to ascend everyone faster?

[copper saffron]

feel free to dm me those 3 paragraphs I love this game to bits

[frigid tinsel]

darkness is bad stuff that eats/traps/subdues light. we don't know if it naturally existed in balance with the light of the world or not. ancestors discovered darkstone and manufactured them into power diamonds. making and using power diamonds created more darkness in the world, polluted Wasteland. a lot of manufacturing occurred at Eden too, the holy site of the Sky world where the dead/dying could ascend into the heavens and reunite with "The Light" Megabird, the god of Sky. at some point for some unknown reason, Eden exploded, corrupted red diamond is powering the storm, spitting out corrupted darkstone, krills and crabs were corrupted by the darkness, dark plants started growing everywhere, darkness trapped the spirits of ancestors in the Sky world. Megabird sad this all happened so They sent down skykids to fix everything.

[icy spruce]

There’s ur paragraph/text wall

[tulip aspen]

so they could escape the world?

i was partially joking @copper saffron , but here's my doc folder of all of the most widely accepted views on significant parts of the lore, just read the highlighted articles
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XrfbCBoPzm4GBZXS6rP1eK9X7XyN11RfttUi_03zQgc/edit?usp=drivesdk

remember tho, we know nothing for certain cos the story is meant to be intentionally vague to the naked eye, so we basically are all archeologists trying to dig up info we don't understand

[copper saffron]

what is megabird wait what did I miss, I've been to eden and orbit before and somehow I missed this

[frigid tinsel]

i should be focusing on my assignment due in two hours

[icy spruce]

Megabirb is prolly a cluster of galaxies or the god of sky (or both if u want)

[high bison]

I’ve always had a problem with the manta grinder theory

You turn the machine on

Also power diamonds are probably just mined

[compact shale]

I guess when they fell they knew they had to ascend the ancestors, but they wanted to speedrun that so they did this and then BOOM honk happened

[tulip aspen]

basically

[high bison]

Maybe at first they used fire to power them with light, then when they needed stronger ones so they started milking the light creatures
Then they milked them more
And then they farmed them

[frigid tinsel]

what is megabird
something something Minecraft End Poem

[keen shore]

I doubt it’s a straight up smoothie as well, but manta murder is manta murder regardless of the method

[tulip aspen]

the theory is moreso about creating new crystals, mot necessarily powering them

[copper saffron]

they murdered mantas?

[high bison]

Perhaps

[icy spruce]

I see darkstones as the raw version yknow? Diamonds are the more stable (and easier to control) version of darkstones (prolly because they have light in them, but that’s just a theory A SKY THEOR-)

[frigid tinsel]

probably Megabird, probably the god of Sky

[icy spruce]

probably a cluster of galaxies, probably both

[compact shale]

probably...

#JusticeForMantas

[frigid tinsel]

lorechat's word of the day: probably

[icy spruce]

and prolly kwkwkwk

[compact shale]

Cluster of constellations

maybeeee

[high bison]

Y’know how some people say darkness is natural or it’s artificial?

I like to think of it like in the real world carbon emittions

There’s natural greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere
And then there’s the extra gasses we put in the atmosphere and messing up everything

[tulip aspen]

yeah, i don't like telling moffs it's definitely a god

[frigid tinsel]

damn that's a good point. Sky goes ham with the environmentalist themes, why hadn't thought of that before.

[compact shale]

I'm sure there was a balance of darkness and light before

remember bellcrabs from the Switch trailer?

[tulip aspen]

yup, darkness as a theme in sky is just pollution.

it used to be directly an evil aura, but now it's just pollution

[tulip aspen]

we know nothing about them tho

imo they were moreso as creative liscense of the trailer anyways, until in game content proves otherwise

[icy spruce]

dear tgc,

Spider crabs.

[high bison]

Exactly

Y’know the saying "Darkness without light is an abyss, light without darkness is blinding, you cannot have a coin with one side"

It fits in the real world bc if there were zero greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere the planet would be a frozen waste

[compact shale]

Vela also has the constant vs change theory

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[copper saffron]

ooooo

[hushed steeple]

It does have cute eyes!

[high bison]

Krill: points at sky child

”L I B R A L”

[compact shale]

WHAT

[high bison]

https://youtu.be/2bz2feqz6Gg

[compact shale]

*gutteral honking

[hushed steeple]

And you can ride it! But its real tricky! And it sheds light. That you gotta collect at the perfect moment or it wont register

[plucky torrent]

So what if the ancestors were using crystals to transform the light critters on purpose? Trying to turn them into either weapons or beats of burden. And they ended up creating the krill and other dark critters before Eden happened.

[compact shale]

wait you can ride it?

[icy spruce]

hello I am gonna go see the worm leviathan, who wants to suffer?

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FRUITY

[copper saffron]

the WHAT

[hushed steeple]

Yes but its REAL DIFFICULT. Only the head of it. And even then it slammed myself into a wall :/

[compact shale]

the

||60 foot frame, eyes along her back
when she calls your name it all fades to black
yeah she sees your dreams and feasts on your screams
we don't talk about ruby no no no
we don't talk about rubyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy||

[harsh pecan]

Me

[icy spruce]

oka

anyways, u can see the worm leviathen by oobing kwkwkwk

[high bison]

I had an idea

If the Sky we see is a world with too much darkness, what would happen if there was too much light?

||DARK KIDS||

[harsh pecan]

Who is Ruby?

[hushed steeple]

Thats called hollow knight

[high bison]

Omg

[high bison]

:0

[south badger]

a creature in an oob who will appear later this season

[hushed steeple]

Goth skykids yes what a concept

[south badger]

krill cosmetics i need them

[compact shale]

maybe we'll get a bone-wearing ancestor

[keen shore]

Would kill for alternate reality sky where we beat the crap out of Megabird

[harsh pecan]

Whose bones tho

[hushed steeple]

thats really just hollowknoghtndjs

[harsh pecan]

Same

[hushed steeple]

I think yall need more games >:/

Maybe a giant monster battle with king mech vs megazilla

[compact shale]

maybe sky will collab with hollow knight

i know nothing about hollow knight

[harsh pecan]

I don’t have a enough space for more games, Genshin it eating it all up

[icy spruce]

go to game cause worm leviathan

[south badger]

there are so many video games where characters wear bones

[compact shale]

Chesca

||did you or did you not use ruby to kill everyone|||

[icy spruce]

we’ll find out later :)

[high bison]

TGC ripping off Subnautica fr

[hushed steeple]

Id feel better about video game collabs then book or movie or show or comic or- other, collabs

It was spoilered wha you mean

[compact shale]

i

Ooops

||HOW MANY EYES DOES THAT THING HAVE||

[tulip aspen]

the reason we are a bit more sure about darkness as a theme just being pollution is because otherwise krill and darkness would play a much larger role in the game and story, like they were intended to in the concept art version of the game

that role for darkness was retconned, replaced by the pollution theme entirely

[hushed steeple]

This seasons story is about the beautiful love and marriage of subnautica and abzu, may their relationship last a lifetime.

[compact shale]

May it last 200 rebirths

[icy spruce]

ft. Moon and Flour kwkwkw

[tulip aspen]

i adore abzu so much, the bells summoning creatures always felt like a direct copy of abzu's main gameplay formula

[hushed steeple]

(One of the) Concept sky: darkness is the same darkness that dwels in the heart of every sentient being, it can overcome us and sometimes it takes childlike innocents to free us and bring back our hope

Current sky: pollution fault. Its bad.

[compact shale]

apparently someone from TGC worked on abzu or something

[hushed steeple]

Abzu is from giant squid, which I think is EX TGC people

[harsh pecan]

Ooooo

[tulip aspen]

WHAT

[hushed steeple]

Yeah they actually do share the same DNA. A journeylike if you will.

Journey Aer abzu omno pathless sky and many others

[compact shale]

wait Aer and Omno aren't created by tgc affiliated peeps are they?

[tulip aspen]

metroidvania journeyventure

[hushed steeple]

No idea. Aer is daedalic(unsure of spelling) I loved it

Might just be more inspired

I think it was before or real close to sky, but seriously the shape language and designs are very similar

[high bison]

I feel like it’s a bit of both tbh

[hushed steeple]

2017.....Was sky in beta by then?

[high bison]

The ancestors grew ignorant and power hungry and pursued power and luxury at expense of the world

It fits both the ‘darkness in all of us’ and ‘pollution’ themes

[hushed steeple]

It was!

Two colorful flight games with the kinda, square shaped wings, about ruined civilizations and finding spirit memories.

also theres an evil king who goes against the gods

Very similar times

[burnt cove]

@high bison I think it was the king who become power hungry and then force the people to do this kind of things

[high bison]

That being said there is a ton of concept stuff that would have been awesome

Like the king boss fight
And certain environments

That’s why I wanna make like a comic/animated series

[burnt cove]

King Resh or Alef was a benevolent ruler who later got corrupted by power and greed

[hushed steeple]

Yeah. I think theres real strong evidence lotta ancestors where not on board. In the old timeline, darkstone was already forbidden before prince unearthed it. They prolly knew what it did and....”if only they had listened”

The kings forbidden fruit

They were talking about spirits and creatures etc being trapped into power diamonds and I thought that might fit.

[tulip aspen]

oh, definitely.

but for our "lore rEseArcH" purposes, we have to actively point out the fact that darkness isn't literally born in the ancestors, so that neither of us are confused or too convoluted between each other

[burnt cove]

King Resh final form lol

[high bison]

desperately holding on girly screams bc it’s so coooollll

[keen shore]

It would make the lore so much cooler if instead of just natural societal change everyone got slowly corrupted over a period of centuries, so slowly that nobody noticed

[hushed steeple]

Sees skid in hand of one on the right and instantly imagines him closing the hand :/

[burnt cove]

Yup

[high bison]

Game Over

[hushed steeple]

Do you guys think it's possible to make a spirit family/relatives tree or chart? Because wince we now know that ancestors had/have families this might solve or help solve a little bit of lore, and it would be interesting to see the genetics and similarities in cape design and if and how the capes will become dramatically different in style.

[high bison]

Well we don’t really know whether it was one or the other, just that it happened

[hushed steeple]

Imma start compiling pictures of spirits.

Not without a lot of contention before and after. But It would be cool! Ash said the assembly kids are tied to their parents roles. Could look into themeing of that. But most others could be a struggle.

[keen shore]

It is really hard to determine genetics or even if they exist in this game bc… faces are covered by mask, very few details
The only real evidence we have is body shape

[hushed steeple]

Then we'll start with assembly, we already know that mariposa/ the scolding spirit has a relative in light seekers.

[paper vine]

hi

[burnt cove]

Hello

[hushed steeple]

Yes I just made a Barbie reference
No I do not feel ashamed

It was my childhood

[compact shale]

It's hard, but you can try

[keen shore]

I still need confirmation on how relatives actually work in this game. If ancestors are built anything like skykids are, the idea that families work like ours is hard to imagine

[raw crypt]

Hi! Please don’t post art that doesn’t belong to you (I’m assuming its a repost because its. crunchy), this isn’t official lore but rather fanart by https://smokbeast.tumblr.com/post/667215181629308929/i-been-playing-sky-allot-with-some-pals-we-were !

[paper vine]

What is the background story of this game? this bothers me! The setting of the backstory is a bit vague

[keen shore]

If you need to, you can always use the belonging spirits as ref

[hushed steeple]

What if they don't work like sky kids, I mean didn't the Stargazer seem shocked to you?

[keen shore]

I don’t think they’re exactly like us but I don’t want to assume they work exactly like humans yknow

[hushed steeple]

Oh yeah! Perfect example of familimee.

[high bison]

The belonging spirits are just a family

[compact shale]

Beyond Belonging it's hard to figure out how spirit families work

And even with belonging, there's a cousin

are pleaful and sparkler married or do they each have a different spouse and they have children of their own? I'd guess capes represent generation, and even if that's the case the cape hierarchy would make sense

[hushed steeple]

I KEEP PRESSING WRONG BUTTONS!!!!

[keen shore]

Yeah, where did the cousin come from?? And is this even a genetic family or is it kind of like an adopted one? Are there any genetic families ???

[high bison]

I think this would be too difficult

If to spirit seem to act similar and have similar interests, they might be related or it might just be a coincidence

[compact shale]

I don't know, but I have a headcanon that your constellation determines your destiny (position in life and/or significant relationships)

[hushed steeple]

Yeah, remember how scolding has a family member in light seekers? Perhaps there's actually two.

So, what about the guide? They have a unique cape. Perhaps Cannoneer and assembly guide are distant ancestors?

[compact shale]

Yep, Ash confirms that there's an Assembly/Lightseeker connection, but they never specifically said family

Assembly Lore:

Basically, because Assembly spirits and Lightseekers spirits have similar masks, peeps think they might be related. The Assembly spirits might be the Lightseeker's descendants.

Now, yes, I know you may be thinking "but they said the Assembly spirits are descendants of Forest spirits!"

Okay, this is where it goes into speculation, it could be that each Assembly kid has 1 Lightseeker parent and 1 Forest parent (yes I know Laidback fits both categories, in that case it would be Laidback Pioneer x another Forest spirit)

As for who goes to who? I have no damn idea right now, so if anyone can make some good guesses I'm all for it.

Here's a clue from Ash: "theres also other aspects to their parents though too. specifically the jobs that their parents had as workers in hidden forest realm"

[keen shore]

Yeah — somewhere in this the constellations are also involved but how??? Somehow I doubt everyone in each constellation is related

[compact shale]

It doesn't have to be familial specifically

it just has to be significant

[keen shore]

That’s what I think as well, I just meant that constellations are also a thing and how do those work in relation to families
I probabky need to sleep soon

[hushed steeple]

SCOLDING STUDENT AND SHUSHING SCHOLAR!!!!! Scolding student also has pigtails like the blushing spirit. This may not be exact but its very close and fitting.

[compact shale]

The term for is double french braids but good point! we have to consider the jobs of the spirits too, though...

[hushed steeple]

Scholar, student.......

[compact shale]

Ah, sorry about that... anyways. That's pretty cool, so what do you think of the others?

[hushed steeple]

Hmmmmmm, so the giggling one, there must be a relation to laugh from prairie

[high bison]

If we’re really gonna go through with this we need a diagram to keep track of everything

[compact shale]

Maybe though it kinda seems random. They're not from Forest OR a lightseeker.

[hushed steeple]

Yes but that would just be one parent, if they have parents

[compact shale]

good point. Now, who would be the other one...?

[hushed steeple]

Im in forest looking

Remind me on the giggling spirits hair

[compact shale]

It's the hair tuft you get from Waving Bellmaker. It appears in more spirits than usual.

[hushed steeple]

Ah

Provoking performer seems quite mischievous

[compact shale]

should I get Provoke's TS hints?

[hushed steeple]

Maybe it will help us, please do.

Wait am I missing something

[high bison]

Theory. The pirate spirits came to the reef after the fall

Due to the glyphs and the prevalence of crystal like objects in the water and it’s proximity to wasteland, I think this place used to be a mine for raw darkstone. It would be taken to wasteland or forest (bc forest is just on the other side of the mountain) and be processed into refined darkstone/power diamonds at the factories.

When the fall happened, the thing at eden happened. It’s effects were probably also felt here too, causing the birth of the large krill-like monster in the depths and the entire site to be flooded and abandoned.

Later, the pirates arived.

We see that the pirates have weapons that weren’t seen in the battlefield at wasteland, and the civil war presumably took place before, during, or just after the fall

[frigid tinsel]

I sorta think that's the case. if darkness only got bad in the latter end of the kingdom's existence, why are there petrified spirits from all over the kingdom's timeline? shouldn't the earlier spirits been able to ascend? why did they get stuck before darkness was a major problem? unless darkness was always present to capture these spirits.

[compact shale]

Well memories might not be enough so...

[compact shale]

Okay, alright.

[tulip aspen]

which spirit is that

[hushed steeple]

I am so tired.

[compact shale]

Provoking Performer. I know some of Ash's hints are just for the haha funnies but it's pretty easy to tell which ones are.

[hushed steeple]

They literally tell jokes, and they don't sell delicious snacks, just celery. mischievous and provoking.

And the giggle spirit is mischievous.

[compact shale]

where did the celery come from?

[hushed steeple]

It's 12:35 am and this isn't healthy but I'm SO IN LOVE WITH THE LORE OF THIS GAME!

[tulip aspen]

which one is that @_@

[hushed steeple]

PLEASE, DONT REMIND ME OF THE INCIDENT!!!!!!

[frigid tinsel]

don't the Valley elder(s) put salt & pepper on their apple slices?

[compact shale]

Forest Spirit from Season of Gratitude

we're trying to trace some family trees rn

[frigid tinsel]

yall, that's gonna be hard when you got spirits all across time and space.
edit: fun looking at the reactions

[hushed steeple]

Ok hear me out, this may seem extremely far fetched but.

Emo kid with light has hair like shell collector and a mask like umbrella person.

Alright everyone, goodnight. I literally can't keep my eyes open for this. I'm going to try write up some sky documents tomorrow.

[compact shale]

Yeah.

[hushed steeple]

Wait but the jobs, any similarities, does being emo count?

[compact shale]

Botanist
Pioneer (OF WHAT???)
Shell Collector

Ummm... hmmm... agh.

[rigid mural]

hey dude that's not your art

[hushed steeple]

WAIT
Umbrella spirit had FLOWERS!!!!!

[compact shale]

WHERE

[hushed steeple]

MEMORY!!!!! ALL THE WAY TO THE UPPER LEVEL!!!
These giant flowers just appeared.

[round parrot]

Lore chat, apologies for the message I sent a while ago, may I ask what is the topic?

[compact shale]

Oohhh

edit: in terms of personality, it's also just as likely that Pioneer is Daydream's parent.

[frigid tinsel]

art theft and family tree attempts

[hushed steeple]

Family

[hushed steeple]

OH MY JAR SIBLINGS!!!

[compact shale]

though it's weird that they're not paired with each other for some reason
maybe they can't stand each other

Ash is leaving the sibling thing to the players but if you think it fits then it fits

and i'm gonna adopt this for assembly works yolo

[hushed steeple]

One is older and decided to become a wizard.

Ok, march and disgust spirits

[compact shale]

remind me who Disgust is again?

[hushed steeple]

Guy who couldnt cross the river and has a hammock

[compact shale]

Oh. I guess Forest Water is pretty gross.

is acid gross?

[hushed steeple]

I don't think acid has any relation to money

[alpine cedar]

why lore chart has no threads im about to hhhhhhhhhh

[willow prawn]

Hello, it's me again, trying to understand what Assembly kids may be related to here are my observations

Baffled Botanist could be related to Laidback Pioneer (both got a teardrop mask but mirrored), and he's the only one charging a prop that produces light

Scolding Student reminds me of Shushing Light Scholar. They're both judging people, have a triangle on the forehead, and very similar capes in mood (green with yellow, blue with yellow)

Scaredy Cadet has a mirrored mask with Crab Whisperer

Marching Adventure is hard to say, but the only one who got triangles under the mask is Twirling Champion, and they're both very energetic

I couldn't think of anything for Chuckling Scout and Daydream Forester. My only annotation is that they both got long lines in their mask, and Piggyback Lightseeker is the only spirit of the season with a strike under their eyes (but two for each eye). It's also worth mentioning Chuckling and Daydream mirror each other as in the final dot, so maybe they're both related to Piggyback somehow

[compact shale]

no i mean why they got disgusted at the forest river

||i've always pictured them as the kind of guy who would scream in anguish at this season||

[willow prawn]

But to whom are they related in Hidden Forest? I have no idea, because none of them gives me vibes of what you would do in Forest, except maybe Chuckling looking similar to Apologetic Lumberjack

[hushed steeple]

baffled botanist emote here

[hushed steeple]

Chuckling scout could have a relation to provoking performer in the sense that they both cause mischief or jokes.
Remember we require a forest spirit and related jobs.

[neat flint]

[hushed steeple]

For scolding student it could be shushing scholar and tantrum man

[willow prawn]

Yep! I'm just thinking about how Ash pointed out they're actually connected / linked in some way to Lightseekers. Since they have an actual "job", maybe it could make easier to find the relation in Forest

Also, checking the Wiki, it's also mentioned that "the Season of Lightseeker [... has] six Spirits themed off Hidden Forest", so finding out the links of Lightseekers with Forest could help too

[high bison]

New glyphs

[hushed steeple]

We haven't related piggy back or flute man yet

[willow prawn]

My personal theory is Blushing Prospector because of the braids and because it's cute but it could be!

[hushed steeple]

Honestly same, and now that I know light seekers is based off forest it eases the strict jobs thing

[willow prawn]

Piggyback gives me mixed Daydream / Chuckle vibes. But as for piggy... no clue. Anyone got chevron patterns?

[rigid mural]

piggyback's memory shows them using a light orb so maybe they are related to one of the nerdy kids like facepalm ?

[willow prawn]

Btw, I didn't mention the guide, because I'm guessing they would also be related to the guide of Lightseekers

[hushed steeple]

Pioneer and sHell collector seem more likely unless poly relationships work genetically here

[rigid mural]

it's your ship, your problem 😂

[hushed steeple]

Perhaps flute guy and chuckling scout?

[rigid mural]

I don't think these spirits being "connected" means they are all parents and children; they could be siblings or mentor-apprentices !

[willow prawn]

Yeah! For now I'm just pointing the similarities in look / attitude
They did say they were actually related to Hidden Forest spirits, but that one escapes me for now

[rigid mural]

I saw a mention of descendants too, but either way siblings can be related, and in a way a student can be a descendant of their mentor

[hushed steeple]

Yes, I am on a similar roll here, just pointing out similarities

[high bison]

We really should use world anvil or smth to make the family trees and keep track of it all

[frigid tinsel]

familyecho.com

[hushed steeple]

From this I get the feeling you, in fact, have this world anvil..........

Wanna plant the trees?

[willow prawn]

Perhaps we should try to check with the props too to see if they give more insight. But Daydream and Scolding don't have one and I don't have clue why

And what is that useless ring supposed to meaaaaaaan

[rigid mural]

I saw some headcanons Dreams QG and Rythm QG/Bloom Guide are related.

[hushed steeple]

They do seem like triplets to be honest

[high bison]

I don’t
It’s browser based

[hushed steeple]

Though it might just be dreams and rhythm QG because of the bird theme

[neat flint]

They used to

[rigid mural]

honestly they just have the same mask to me, ash did mention this was gonna be a default mask until it became an ult so...
@hushed steeple

[willow prawn]

Assembly Beta was a mess and therefore I'll ignore it, haha

[hushed steeple]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[willow prawn]

But I mean, if we go through prop examination:
Baffled Botanist → Lamp
Chuckling Scout → Floating ring
Marching Adventurer → Torch
Scaredy Cadet → Hammock

Assembly Questguide:
Pillow, jar, brazier, bookshelf, tent

So I guess the bookshelf could be the most similar thing to Scolding Student, and perhaps the pillow for Daydream (which still doesn't give me more info about them 💔 )

[compact shale]

Actually i think Daydream used to have the tent in BETA
and Chuckle used to also have the trumpet

But retcons are retcons

[hushed steeple]

J A R

Wait, day dream, sleepy spirit from enchantment

!!!!!!!!!????????

[rigid mural]

sleepy spirit 🤝 slumbering shipwright 🤝 daydream spirit
_ _ sleepy

[compact shale]

Um... K I guess they both have wavy hair as well?

[willow prawn]

Enchantment?! I'm already struggling to relate them with Lightseekers and Forest spirit

[hushed steeple]

Just pretend everything outside of forest is one thing.
Also blow kiss spirit and daydream esp the bubbles.

[compact shale]

Hmm...

[hushed steeple]

Sleepy + blow kiss = day dream

[raw crypt]

Throwing my 2 cents, when I initially read the connection thing, I got the idea that Lightseekers themselves were the forest spirits in question (tho maybe i cant read/lh), the early seasons dont have assigned realms as they were spread out across realms- but like you could say Rhythm feels like a valley season because of the performance theme and end scene, lightseekers gives me forest season vibes due to the use of umbrellas as a cosmetic, which is only really viable in forest, and the goal, seeking light, which I imagine would be an important goal when industrialization (forest) is booming and light is a well desired resource, as well- assembly is in forest as well HFJDHDJ

So I don’t know if they have connection to other forest spirits or are those forest spirits, that was just my interpretation, the bluntest connection is easily with the masks, I’ve heard headcanon that chuckle and daydream are connected to piggyback and doublefive with their masks being a sorta combo since its not a perfect match like everyone else

if they r those forest spirits and we go with parents, woe single parents squad, lightseeker meetings r just pta meetings (joking)

[willow prawn]

To be honest I'm ignoring the seasonal spirits of Forest (except Laidback) specially Rhythm and Gratitude spirits, because they look like performers / travelers and I don't think they would be fixed in one place

[compact shale]

Crab call :my child cannot cross rivers what do I do
Double 5: Yeet the child

[rigid mural]

grandma inviting the assembly kids to her table so the kids get a nice healthy and warm meal

[hushed steeple]

well it seems like they died there so they're fixed in one place now

[icy ember]

Does anyone have any picture of the poster in the office that shows the connection between the realms and stages of life?

[willow prawn]

Hide n' Seek, Daydream and Scolding having a dress meeting to play together

[hushed steeple]

I accept this story arc, TGC please make it canon

[compact shale]

This was made back when Assembly furniture was still a thing
#completed-sky-fanart-and-creations message

[hushed steeple]

Scolding looks like Mariposa(if ya know ya know) and scolding seems like they could be a lesbian or bi at the very least.

[rigid mural]

Lumberjack and Pioneer knew eachother, according to the 5th flight quest. I like to think they are either related, or Lumberjack did other ancestors a favor and let them on their boat from time to time.

[willow prawn]

My Latin American brain:

[high bison]

Imagine saying someone looks gay smh/j

[hushed steeple]

Mariposa is a character from a Barbie movie.

[rigid mural]

gay rights

[willow prawn]

Oh lol. Guess they translated the name in a different way, I just missed on Fairytopia saga

[hushed steeple]

Gay rights

[rigid mural]

-limp wrists-

[compact shale]

Arms heavy

[hushed steeple]

Mamas spaghetti

[rigid mural]

im so happy for rallying thrillseeker feeling confident enough to come out of the closedt as gay ❤️ love wins

[hushed steeple]

Suddenly I feel as though scolding and thrill seeker are plausible best friends gal pals and roommates.............gasp they were roo-

Nevermind...........

Botanist gives me strong Ace Aro vibes
Not only because I'm ace aro
But because we're part plant

[willow prawn]

Assembly Scouts are kids for me in the same age range of Hide n' Seek, Dreams skater girl, and now the Abyss QG

So I just can't ship them with huge people they are my kiddos in my heart

[hushed steeple]

NVM I NEVER SAID THAT

||I forgot......||

[short owl]

you know what child roomates means though, right?

[willow prawn]

Pillow fight?

[short owl]

SIBLING SHENANIGANS. I'm talking PRANKS, I'm talking SLUMBER PARTIES, I'm talking STAYING UP WAY TOO LATE, I'm talking PETTY ARGUMENTS the WHOLE SHEBANG

[hushed steeple]

AHHHHH YES

Until you have too many siblings

[short owl]

... well, there are like... five kids in assembly so

[hushed steeple]

Yes but they're all in the same age range and they don't have any spoiled brats

[short owl]

there are also about a thousand skykids...

[hushed steeple]

Sky kids just get along no matter what

[short owl]

how are the temples still standing? This many children can not be good for the structural integrity of anything

[willow prawn]

Mama Forest would kick us right into Orbit if we try to do mischief in the temple

[short owl]

... so eden shortcut?

[hushed steeple]

I know, the void civilization is lucky to have not been found yet.

[raw crypt]

shout out to the lightseekers season art itz very funky

[willow prawn]

One question. If Shushing Light Scholar has the triangle mask, what's the thing about his head supposed to be? He's wearing two masks??

[neat flint]

Lotus umbrella

[hushed steeple]

Hey wait a minute, they don't have the right masks

[hushed steeple]

In fact piggy back and light scholar have swapped capes

[rigid mural]

Pondering the Orb

[raw crypt]

The headpiece Shush wears is a piece associated with scholars and vault spirits in general! Hence why murals depicting ‘intellectual’ spirits have that extra line, you can see the same headress on Polite Scholar

seasonal art hasn’t always been accurate, since sometimes things change

PONDERINH THE ORB

[hushed steeple]

Do we even know what lore we're talking about?

Maybe we need a break to rest our brains, I know that whole family tree thing caused my brain to take 33 mental damage.

Wait is that magnificus

[willow prawn]

I'm just posting cute headcanons for me at this point

[raw crypt]

no clue im just thinking abt lightseekers

OMG HAIIIII, YES, well stunted wolf since i dont wanna spoil the besties bUT

[hushed steeple]

Uhhhhhhh, I wasn't referring to inscryption, I just could spell psychic ||OH MY JAR BRAIN YOU TROLL|| so I just put mental I was referring more to d&d

[raw crypt]

was talking with kamilico HJDHDHD

anyways back ontopic
lightseekers being besties with enchantment so true

[hushed steeple]

Uhh-hhh- imma just take that break now.......

[high bison]

Honestly
I don’t get the ship

[hushed steeple]

I can’t tell if this is a pun but if it is it is genius

[high bison]

I don’t get the pun

[hushed steeple]

Light seekers are depicted on ark. On enchantments SHIP

[short owl]

if I'm being honest, I don't get shipping regardless. Either relationship-wise or logistics.

[raw crypt]

YEAH im talking abt. work, if you look at the ark murals you can see that the lightseekers and enchantment crew worked together

[high bison]

:0 pictures??

[hushed steeple]

I tried searching to steal someone elses pictures. And couldnt find any. They are the stick figures with lines above their heads (hats) and umbrellas

I think they even give light to enchantment to enchant it

[raw crypt]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message Credits to Bricky,

You can see through 1-4 their dynamic (Keep in mind those on the ark ship are depicted as scholars)

1 and 2 Have people with umbrellas and the hat Doublefive is seen with, implying those are light catchers, they then bring the light to picture three, working together with scholars (enchantment) to be used, in this case picture 4 it seems to be fireworks or something of the sort

5-7 ks jjst enchantment getting wrecked dont mind that

so yeah lightseekers enchantment besties
(half the enchant lights are where lightseekers are)

[short owl]

why would the pirates accept us when we only bring one measly darkstone?

[willow prawn]

According to Ash, they haven't accepted us yet we need to earn our keep, but Abyss QG is helping us to fall in grace with the Commodore

[hushed steeple]

......could that squiggly in the first one be megabird?

[copper saffron]

oooooo
good take

[hushed steeple]

I mean they are praying to it too

[rigid mural]

Abyss QG deserves the world, what a sweetheart.

[fickle wing]

very important and relevant theory
air prophet likes fruit because fruit bats r a thing and their mask is a bat (swag)

[rigid mural]

This weeks TS ||eats their 5 fruits and vegetables daily||.

[willow prawn]

I follow up with another theory: they like hanging outside down to creep the other prophets out, then they giggle about it

[fickle wing]

also megabats eat fruit instead of insects like microbats do
what else has mega in front of it? megabird
it’s all coming together i connected the dots

[raw crypt]

I believe so actually! I think you can also see the pattern on the backside of the boat? i forget but its swirly too—

basic birds shed light as seen in laughings scene, maybe megabird does that on a large scale ??? dont mind them theyre just dropping sunlight (this is like. half joke half serious i dont know jow to explain the lightseeker lights, boons???)

[willow prawn]

TGC give us a long dress, I need to cosplay a million spirits and the prophets require it

[hushed steeple]

Unfortunately, prophets are.....

Stoned faced

:]

[fickle wing]

EXCELLENT THEORY

[compact shale]

Headcanon:

Air Prophet also teaches breathing exercises but part of said breathing exercises is unholy bat screeches... let's just say their students... don't exactly like it... but they do it anyway because apparently the screeching is part of the exercise

[fickle wing]

also fun bat fact there’s is a reason why. Megabats r called megabats they’re just

anyways yknow how all those prophets r tall yeah

[compact shale]

I'm shorter

[hushed steeple]

Turtle prophet like, “please Im supposed to teach how to breath”

[white junco]

taller than a bat 😎

[fickle wing]

w the whole air prophet n liking fruits hc i guess it goes along w them being kinda fruity if yknow what i mean
im just saying waters fav color being purple and. Air having a purple cape is kinda
yknow 🏳️‍🌈

[compact shale]

It's not breathing it's screaming

[hushed steeple]

No Water prophets favorite color is turtle get your bloomin facts strait

[rigid mural]

The prophets live in a cave, kinda fruity of them.

[white junco]

fellas, is it gay to live in a cave? (yes)

[fickle wing]

the gay furry cave

[raw crypt]

diversity win

[hushed steeple]

Ok. See yall

[white junco]

byeeeeee

[fickle wing]

ok

[compact shale]

___
🛏️

[rigid mural]

I think spinning mentor would make a cute couple with Dreams qg

[topaz steppe]

Hey lore chat, can someone do a very brief explanation of the main sky lore, because i want to know more, BUT I DO NOT GET IT

[compact shale]

The king screwed up
There's darkness abuse
The spirits can't ascend without our help
and now we're here to ascend the spirits

This is super abridged wow

[rigid mural]

We don't either but hey. You might wanna be more specific tho, lol

[topaz steppe]

Thank you!

[rigid mural]

Goodnight

[compact shale]

Is this ironic or unironic

[willow prawn]

Of course! You need to increase the lung capacity!
The breathing exercises is a shared class with Water Prophet. First they inhale deeply, then they screech

[topaz steppe]

It’s great

[compact shale]

*menacing stare: ON
Water Prophet...
Hey, Water Prophet...
Why are we here? *brings out Treasure Reef map
Are all the skykids gonna die?
Hey...
Can you tell us?

[high bison]

:0

But there are multiple people with umbrellas and funny hats so does that mean here are more light speakers than the ones we saw in the season?

[paper vine]

Thank you!

[high bison]

https://youtu.be/8reCpb_39A8

[compact shale]

Probably

But they might just be mooks

[raw crypt]

Probably yes! especially since it’s been confirmed (somewhere, i forgot) that the number of spirits we see is only a portion of those out there, game and design limitations just prevent us from having like 20 lightseeker spirits seen for example

[high bison]

I headcanon that lore wise, each Sky kid befriends a different roster of spirits

All the spirits would know many Sky kids, but a no skykid is friends with every spirit because you can’t even friends with everybody

I guess the Lightseeker x Enchantment guide ship supports it!

[compact shale]

And it gives us an answer why Megabird would send so many skykids

[high bison]

Now kiss <3** ** smashes lightseeker and enchantment figurines together like rocks

[raw crypt]

Oh!! That’s a really interesting headcanon! I like that a lot!!

and i believe a lot of seasonal guides are friends and have tea together, friendchip

[topaz steppe]

Rythm guide… flight guide

[high bison]

Oh no

[paper vine]

More theology could be added to the game's backstory

Even psychology, fantasy

[compact shale]

Rhythm and Flight... ... that reminds me (don't take the contents of this link seriously)

#cozy-sky-discussion message

[topaz steppe]

Omg this is so adorable

i still want to ship rhythm and flight guide sooooo badly

[compact shale]

Sky: Birds of the Light

[frigid tinsel]

i mean you're not wrong

[topaz steppe]

Quick question, how did the sky kids and spirits lean the calls in the first place. To communicate with creatures maybe?

[frigid tinsel]

darkness is bad stuff that eats/traps/subdues light. we don't know if it naturally existed in balance with the light of the world or not. ancestors discovered darkstone and manufactured them into power diamonds. making and using power diamonds created more darkness in the world, polluted Wasteland. a lot of manufacturing occurred at Eden too, the holy site of the Sky world where the dead/dying could ascend into the heavens and reunite with "The Light" Megabird, the god of Sky. at some point for some unknown reason, Eden exploded, corrupted red diamond is powering the storm, spitting out corrupted darkstone, krills and crabs were corrupted by the darkness, dark plants started growing everywhere, darkness trapped the spirits of ancestors in the Sky world. Megabird sad this all happened so They sent down skykids to fix everything.

[compact shale]

By imitating the new sounds they hear from Whisperers. I presume that skykids may be able to communicate with creatures this way.

[frigid tinsel]

skykids: chirp chirp chirp
bird: why do want to learn how to file taxes

[compact shale]

Light Whisperer gives the Pygmy (baby) manta call

Imagine if they were called "Pygmy Whisperer"

Flight moth: ok so you whisper to short people... why

[paper vine]

Can we think of it this way: Darkness = Entropy

[static meteor]

(me googling what entropy means)

[compact shale]

One step closer to Sky x PMMM crossover

[neat flint]

Pmmm?

[compact shale]

puella magi madoka magica

||it's a magical girl show that has some... dark stuff||

[high bison]

The council has allotted a singular yike to your case

[compact shale]

i dont give a yike

[frigid tinsel]

too tired to science brain this entropy question

[nova geyser]

So the crystals they were mining didn’t have any power in them already, and so they needed to charge them via mantas on treadmills? Am I interpreting the paintings right?

[compact shale]

ON TREADMILLS LMAO

[nova geyser]

LOOK MANTA TREADMILLS ARE THE NICEST INTERPRETATION I COULD THINK OF OKAY XD

[paper vine]

I recently learned this concept, maybe that "chaos" can replace "entropy"? "Chaos" should be easier to understand

[high bison]

I feel like maybe this structure was built to contain whatever’s down there..

Maybe that specific area was used for mining to bring materials to construct the facility

(SCP IN SKY OH MA GAHWD)

[frigid tinsel]

one way to put it simply is that entropy is the lack of energy and orderly while chaos is the presence of energy and disorderly

[icy spruce]

what’s the topic kwkwkkw

[nova geyser]

I wouldn’t necessarily equate Sky darkness to entropy, as (according to current science) net entropy in the universe can only go up, while in Sky it seems that darkness isn’t the inevitable end point to everything and it was only in active meddling that made it pervasive in the realms

EDIT: However according to science entropy does equal chaos XD

[frigid tinsel]

"according to science" is a big statement there mate

[compact shale]

let's just say it's google science

there

[frigid tinsel]

i'm really too tired to put words together but ugh entropy why is this is concept. the only benefit it has is the fact that "chaos scientists" are a thing.

[nova geyser]

According to my engineering physics professor wherein the general definition of chaos is random disorder while entropy is the force of the universe that wants to break everything into its base components and make the all energy in the universe the same amount everywhere (and is thus seen as chaotic to humans)

EDIT WHOOPS: but I’m tired and the class was forever ago so I could be talking out of my— oh yay thank you I’m happy I remembered it right! 😄

[frigid tinsel]

yea your professor is right. worded that much better than i could

[compact shale]

humans hate the concept of energy being equal /j

[nova geyser]

They could be using the basement dweller as a darkness dump tho?? Like maybe they’re trying to purify light and they need a container for the darkness they extract out of their materials? 🤔

[tender kayak]

Are there 8 wings mantas? Gimme more

[tulip aspen]

not sky related banned

[round parrot]

Uhmm, lore chat? Am I blind or do I see a child in the middle of the eye of the king in this concept art? I need answers

[compact shale]

You're not blind, that's the reason why the mechsuit theory exists!

Resh is just Alef in an absurdly large mechsuit+throne+body

[short owl]

I am still of the mind that that's a kid trapped in the crystal

[tulip aspen]

not just that, there's one more concept art i seldomly see showing resh standing inside the head

[compact shale]

WHERE

[round parrot]

So that means the "KinG Of EdEn" is actually a child!?

[compact shale]

Honestly, that's probably one of the reasons why their rule was so messed up.

[wary raptor]

Did?..did they make the king krill by corrupting mantas?

[nimble ingot]

There is a debate and theories suggesting the prince could be the king.
Whether it is him growing up, or using a vessel like a mech-suit. The concept art does have a telling detail of a skykid sized silhouette within the head.

[wary raptor]

[tulip aspen]

suggesting

"And last analysis of Zhao's timeline for tonight, the royals

this picture from the timeline cements in for me personally that the prince/king are the same person, for sure (sorry alef lovers)

it makes sense, and we could have always guessed this, but since I've never seen such a solid narrative key in any previous concept art about the royals, it had always been too cloudy for me to care info wise

now that I've seen it, im sold
we have no reason to believe the king specifically would have changed from this original plot/concept, so there's a really decent chance his story specifically is actually what's going on in the lore bible continuity today post launch, because things were only ever changed to fit a more convenient or narratively smooth picture, and I don't think this story contradicts anything in Sky Today

what do we know?:
-he was sent to rule them
-he had a coronation
-the kingdom found darkstone under his rule
-he was there in the eye of eden when the apocalypse began

and that's honestly all we (relevantly) need to understand about the King's story, for now anyways..."

[nimble ingot]

That is true, in light awaits, the concept art explains the lore clearly.
Since the current game has changed its lore since the global release, until there is recent evidence to confirm the theory, it will be open debate.

[night pecan]

if sky kids are meant to fix the darkness,,,, how do we do that,,,,,,
we cannot get rid of dark water

[nimble ingot]

We are to save spirits. Once we have all the spirits in the realms, our work is not done as new seasons bring new spirits.

On the one hand, it makes sure the plot in the game can carry on indefinitely. On the other hand, skykids have to wait till more spirits are revealed to be saved.
Assumingly, when all spirits are saved, the end of the storyline would probably be revealed.

[compact shale]

Yep. Strangely enough, the concept timeline doesn't have info about the future after we come. Does the timeline look like it could be cropped out?

[nimble ingot]

I like to think that at some point in skykid history, we made a change in the timeline. Prior to this point in the lore, somewhere in the past, the timeline skewed into this tangent creating this alternate Sky universe.

[compact shale]

Oooooh. Hm.

[nimble ingot]

The closest moment I could tell when this changed occurred, is the global release.

[compact shale]

The alternate sky verse is the one we know in-game?

[nimble ingot]

correct. At least as a headcanon

[compact shale]

Wait, how could it be the skykids who changed the timeline if they didn't exist until the last event it mentions?

[nimble ingot]

Time always existed, the murals in dawn says "A long time has passed." It just seems to be caught in a loop or not progressing a natural way, in theory.

[compact shale]

Hm

[tulip aspen]

if the king truly is a presence in sky, they likely aren't a different person from the prince, i really dont see them making that unnecessary change to convolute the story more

therefore, it's likely still the same character

i doubt the king has changed from this timeline. (except the part where he led them from the start)

[tulip aspen]

the loop theory is so unnecessarily meta, which is why people love it, in a same fashion that people love to immediately see the megabird entity as a quantifiable, characterized, god

that's why i personally prefer fruity's take.
it's not over yet cos we simply havent gotten all the spirits yet lol
doesnt have to be any more complicated than that

[nimble ingot]

What if, when the king went missing from the old lore, the vital parts of it went with him.
Making the current lore in sky incomplete. Like a puzzle but a handful of pieces were stolen.

[tulip aspen]

o

and yeah @compact shale, it just ends lol

that timeline was moreso as a concept for the og story bible, rather than a full concept for the game

[compact shale]

Ah-

It doesn't look cropped. Guess the future stuff is in an NDA concept art then.

[tulip aspen]

an interesting thing to note, might be a glitch tho

the indifferent are... transparent?
thick enough depth however that we only see shine light effects thru it...

hmmm

also, i heard yall talking about a baby krill before, but really yall?

please tell me no one thought it was an actual baby ||seeing as it's just what they used since they aren't going to display a full sized krill model||

[neat flint]

I think it’s a baby krill 🥺

[compact shale]

It's possible that a younger-than-average light creature whatever-it-was got corrupted so that happened