lore-discussion-spoilers

[compact shale]

No idea

But Backflip is totally the type who would jump off their manta, do some running stunts on the orrery like it's a hamster ball, revel in the crowd praying for their life, then jump off and make a perfect landing on their manta

[keen shore]

This is true, it just seems weird to be like “oh no… a slightly too high spot for me to climb up… I need to ride a manta for 4 seconds to get up there” when the citadel could’ve been designed to jsut not have that gap in the first place

Also, maybe there were wooden ladders but due to the high moisture of the clouds they just rotted away over time so they’re not visible anymore

[hushed steeple]

One of the spirit memories you run halfway up the citadel so there are some spots you can climb. And those arrow slits are probably just little bridges

[rigid mural]

In this chat we respect handstanding thrillseeker for racing their friend up some stairs, only madlads do that for fun.

[keen shore]

Yeah I just mean the ladders for these spots here

[compact shale]

There's a comic with a headcanon that they were chasing them because of wig theft

[hushed steeple]

And then them hand standing off a ledge

[keen shore]

No one in the citadel has any fear of heights or death in general, if you put them in the wind path islands they would jump off immediately and somehow manage to die again. Reliving the handstand spirit fills me with anxiety because of how closely they do it to the edge

[hushed steeple]

Probably them prepping for races. There are probably many risks to those races

[keen shore]

Sometimes you relive a memory and think to yourself “no wonder you’re dead”

Also maybe they train mantas to catch them before they fall completely and that’s how the backflip champion managed to pull that off

[rigid mural]

Valley spirits are just Like That.

[hushed steeple]

Maybe they were just friends with mantas like the flight spirits.

[tulip aspen]

they'd work for an ancestor tho?
ur comparing while ur a chibi lol

[compact shale]

Praying for life is a regular occurence among the crowd.

[rigid mural]

I love these daredevils so much, I want to challenge them.

[frigid tinsel]

who would win?
athletes who have trained all their lives for the sport
one immortal chibi

[rigid mural]

Me

[keen shore]

I am not a chibi actually! I have the weasel mask although I am still pretty short so height comparisons are odd Now that I’m thinking abt it guardrails make the most sense

[tulip aspen]

ur a very tiny height then lol

[keen shore]

The mantas all think their ancestor friends are super dumb because they keep almost falling to their deaths on purpose.

Also jam… just like in real life 💔

[hushed steeple]

Sky kids are beyond immortal especially chibis

[keen shore]

While we’re on the topic of manta friends, do you think you could train them to do tricks like dogs?? I can’t see why you wouldn’t especially if you wanted to use them in races, they’d have to be trainable to some extent

Last interesting thing I noticed about citadel is that this sudden bridge drop off is probably not just a collapsed bridge and instead just a dock to hop on a manta or a boat. Adds to the theory of them riding mantas around

[hushed steeple]

I stole this pic from @keen shore, thank you. (And sorry for ping pls don’t krill me)
The wall is built on top of snow- which means there’s probably ground. Which means that the citadel is most likely built in a hole, so the clouds maybe settled like fog.

[rigid mural]

Maybe that's a crater ?

[compact shale]

Well yes, though they're probably more of Sky's horses.

[frigid tinsel]

if it's a hole in the ground, what if it's an underground building like the Vault? what we see is the top floor/roof
well mostly underground. can't tell cos cloud cover

[rigid mural]

Citadel could have used to float above this area, but when darkstone technology failed it fell down and made that crater, hence the damage to the building as well.

[keen shore]

I could see certain parts of the valley city being underground considering it’s on top of a mountain and seeing vault ancestors had a history of liking to dig out places. Could also help as good places to store food

[hushed steeple]

If it did float, why haven’t the orreries crashed down when the building crashed.

[rigid mural]

Sliding race has buildings in the cave part !

Also, @hushed steeple, maybe these were on a separate redstone circuit ? Or maybe they did crash but went back up as light was restored.

[sharp lichen]

redstone??

[hushed steeple]

Minecraft

[sharp lichen]

huh

[frigid tinsel]

did not come here expecting to have minecraft redstone war flashbacks.

[hushed steeple]

Red stone war???? I kinda wanna know

[frigid tinsel]

war against me and redstone. redstone won

[rigid mural]

You guys are cowards, minecraft is a good game.

[hushed steeple]

I should build the citadel in Minecraft

[frigid tinsel]

never said it wasn't but redstone did kill my enjoyment of the game when i was trying to learn it

[thin dirge]

[hushed steeple]

Will the mods get mad at us for speaking of other games..?

[keen shore]

I have the same perception of red stone that I have of technology in general: Witchcraft

[frigid tinsel]

skykids get redstone, what crimes against nature will they commit

[rigid mural]

I bet you a heart at least one of the devs played minecraft.

[keen shore]

Red stone flying machine so they never have to use their cape again

[hushed steeple]

Red stone technically allows you to fly past barriers

[frigid tinsel]

so redstone is the answer to getting past the windwalls?

[hushed steeple]

But red stone is dust so it might be blown away

[keen shore]

Flying directly to space via red stone flying machine so we don’t have to worry about pesky things like fulfilling our purpose and going through Eden. As soon as we get there one of the spirits personally punts us back to earth

[hushed steeple]

Can spirits even touch us, skykids??

[frigid tinsel]

they can hug us so yea

[compact shale]

They can make it look like they're hugging us. But I think the reason why Megabird gave us solid bodies and didn't make us go in as Wl is because ancestors can't physically harm us as long as we're solid.

[keen shore]

Given this information I’m almost disappointed one of the valley spirits didnt try to drop kick us off the top of the citadel just to see what would happen

[rigid mural]

THEY ARE KIND SALEM

[tulip aspen]

hmmmmmmm

[frigid tinsel]

they are kind but have you ever drop kicked your friends into the abyss for the funsies?

[keen shore]

It lasts up until you mention that you can fly and falling doesn’t kill you, and then you immediately regret it.

[tulip aspen]

a n g s t

[hushed steeple]

👉👈.

[compact shale]

which part? the "looks like we're hugging" part or the "solid so that ancestors can't harm us" part?

[keen shore]

They seem to be able to high-five us pretty well so… maybe??? I still have a hard time believing they can actually touch us though honestly

[rigid mural]

Kids love being thrown, I bet sky kids wouldn't even think deeply about someone picking them up and throwing them; they are immune to fall damage.

[frigid tinsel]

i mean, skykids prob are impervious to pain for the most part, so even if the spirits wanted to hurt the skykids, those efforts would be futile.

[hushed steeple]

Fall damage, what about fire damage.

[keen shore]

Yeah they’d come back and ask you to do it again

[tulip aspen]

i see no reason ancestors would punt a skid, fruity

[rigid mural]

If a spirit tried to hurt a sky kid, I think the other spirits would probably make them regret it.

[hushed steeple]

Oh that reminds me of the days when we hit a wall and lost our flame

[tulip aspen]

make flying challenging again tgc

[rigid mural]

Beat me at the flying race if you're so tough !

[frigid tinsel]

oof someone got beaned

[hushed steeple]

Hint: ||just fly really far up and the wind will push you forward||

[compact shale]

In denial of death, want to stay because of some ulterior motive, frick Megabird, you're sus, etc.

[frigid tinsel]

this reminds me of something I was daydreaming about when swinging.
spirit pirates: oh no, we're surrounded by angry skykids, what now?
captain: I got an idea. does something to the mini power diamond then throws it at field of skykids
power diamond: explodes
skykids:

[rigid mural]

Violent theories tonight.

[keen shore]

The entire story would be a lot more heartbreaking if spirits with happy memories like the sightseeing parent got angry at you for saving them because while they were trapped they could pretend the tragedy never happened and could still stay with their kid, even if it was all just a memory

[compact shale]

Oh my goodness...'

[hushed steeple]

Don’t remind me that the sightseer’s ||child died|| and didn’t get a chance to be saved

[tulip aspen]

im afraid i must point

p sure everyone die

~
o

[hushed steeple]

But.. but the child

[frigid tinsel]

skykids die in Eden all the time but this child death gets you /hj

[keen shore]

Even worse if you think of the theory that we only see the spirits which somehow got corrupted and were forced to remain on the ground while the rest of them ascended normally, their kid had to go to the afterlife with no idea where their parent was or what happened to them

[sharp lichen]

SKY ANGST WOO

[keen shore]

This is why happy memories are actually worse than sad ones in this game

[hushed steeple]

But tearful lightminer’s scene is quite sad too.. just saying

[compact shale]

Ascended Child Spirit: Megabirdy, where's my dada?
Megabird: Oh, my sweet summer child...

Ending 2:
Ascended Child Spirit: Megabirdy, where's my dada?
Megabird: Your dada's playing hide-and-seek. Wanna play and go find them?
ACS: *nods
Megabird: *reincarnates them as a skykid

[frigid tinsel]

Ascended Child Spirit: Megabird, can I see my baba?
Megabird: here you go! spits out baba's spirit from the hivemind.

[keen shore]

At least you know you’re actually helping them, though. Like they’re probably grateful to be out of that mess and be able to see their friends again

[hushed steeple]

About the spirits moving on.. they are supposed to move through human then sky worlds then go to mega bird, right? Does that cycle repeat?

[pastel brook]

I'm watching you, @hushed steeple

[compact shale]

The human world's involvement in Sky was a concept. We don't know how much of it remains. Not much, I'd think, judging by what we have now

[frigid tinsel]

skybot warning you cos you're too close to the truth

[keen shore]

“I’m watching you….”
Warning: Intruder Alert

[hushed steeple]

If the human world concept was true then I wish to be a skykid when I grow up

[keen shore]

If the cycle of reincarnation was ever really a thing it probably got horribly messed up after the disaster and now no longer exists

[frigid tinsel]

could be restored, but by chance it still occurs. skykids get reborn

[compact shale]

Because we haven't ascended everyone yet. Not even the concept timeline knows what happens after we save everyone.

[frigid tinsel]

but it still occurs to some capacity. all we know is that skykids get reborn

[keen shore]

Oh yeah, I meant that spirits probably don’t get reborn as skids if that makes sense

[compact shale]

I know, but it was explored as a possibility once.

As to why, Megabird is probably punishing them for their sins in Orbit.

Though it would be heartbreaking to reunite with your trapped friend, but your friend wouldn't know it was you.

[frigid tinsel]

well you wouldn't know it was your friend

[hushed steeple]

I have this question that has been lingering in my head for so long, why are the tower peaks so different from the rest of civilization??

[compact shale]

That depends if Megabird extracts our memories in orbit or not. It's still heartbreaking to the audience. Who knows.

[keen shore]

What did the boogie kid do to be punished in this way???? (Or is it just like “you’re an ancestor so you suck automatically” situation)

[compact shale]

Well you know how Eve ate the wrong fruit so now she's punished and so are all her generations of children? That.

[keen shore]

The real question is, does Megabird think this is a moral decision, does it want to make an example out of them so skykids won’t do the same thing, or is it more of an instinctual being and just has a deep hatred/fear of ancestors in general

[tulip aspen]

ive always believed it doesnt exist anymore whatsoever

[compact shale]

We don't even know if the ancestors were deliberately sent down or not. Idk what to tell you pal.

[keen shore]

True, the purpose of my post was basically meant to say the punishment idea has some interesting implications (I feel like I use those last two words too much)

Unrelated side note, what is everyone’s awful and cursed theory ideas? Mine is that elders are actually normal human size (~6ft/2m) and spirits and skykids are just tiny

[hushed steeple]

Well compare the skykids to office bean bags, they are about two bean bags tall at normal size.

[frigid tinsel]

rubs hands together. angst. this is where i come in

[compact shale]

Bean bags are about as standardized as bananas

[hushed steeple]

Either I’m tired but what do you mean as “standardized”?

[compact shale]

Standardized means they have a standard height

I don't think bean bags have standardized height

[tulip aspen]

they might

fruity and i have talked about it a bit, but under the pretense of my 'research folder' theories

if the Light is just an ambiguous mass of energy, then pieces of that light that fall away, end up just being pieces of light again that just blend in with the mass once more, just winged... things, swimming forever

theoretically, with the above theory in mind, if they are just a drop of water evaporating back into the cloud, they could possibly be one of the drops of water that falls back down to earth and is charactarized as a skychild

to explain why we see the spirits still characterized even inside Orbit, I still headcanon the path in Orbit to the gate is all just in our own Mindspace, and that that path is just basically, our Skykid's "interpretation of heaven", if you will
that's why the spirits are there

[keen shore]

I can definitely see that. I don’t have any evidence for why they wouldn’t be, it’s just hard for me to accept if that makes sense? Something about spirits becoming skykids just feels weird to me. I think it’s because I think of them as completely separate entities…

I just wish we were given more info/personality so that it would be easier to tell

[tulip aspen]

you never will get more info 😌

and that's your/ur-skykid's personal view, that makes it sound so weird to think about

i like that
even you being weirded out by it is hypothetically canon, i love asserting the player projection theory into this process

cos it is weird

[frigid tinsel]

skykids petrified in Eden are in an unconscious frozen limbo, their souls trapped in the casing of their darkened bodies unable to ascend. to free them, they need winged light, in which the winged light awakens them and becomes theirs, hence the white unlit skykid in the pity room that's always the same height as you. but in doing so, the skykid that gave up their own winged light is now petrified in Eden in the same state. so another skykid has to sacrifice themself to save them then another one has to save them and it's a futile cycle.

Valley elder(s) have some serious identity issues. are they one or two? Megabird made the Valley elder(s) like that™️ or punished them to be like that™️ (i'm writing a cosmic horror fic about it) as a reminder that They have ultimate dominion over the world and can and will mess you up if you stray from their goodwill. of course, the Valley elder(s) cover everything up with humor. they focus on entertaining other people so they don't think about themselves

[compact shale]

It's futile in-game. I assume that if a beefy 200-wl skykid comes in, they might be able to reach the diamond and... Idk what to do with it but maybe they can deactivate the storm or something and survive with maybe one wl left and go back home.

[keen shore]

Lore like this is why I hate thinking of Megabird as the more human/calculating deity the intro seems to suggest instead of purely instinctual because once you start thinking about things more than surface level, especially with the endless skykid death cycle, it does NOT feel benevolent

~~also when you’re done can you share the fic? I am curious ~~

[tulip aspen]

i still dont believe in the death cycle theory personally completely out of bias because i think it sounds angsty

sorry for always putting it down fruity

[keen shore]

…What if skykids are the ones being punished instead of the spirits trapped in orbit?

[frigid tinsel]

that's just what makes sense to me. it's not really angst for angst, that's where my thought processes concluded

[compact shale]

Another way to end the death cycle is to have a skykid sacrifice their existence for the ability to save anyone and everyone
It worked for Madoka

[frigid tinsel]

i don't think skykids were supposed to try to stop the Eden storm. either Megabird didn't intend to for them to die there and just kept sending more skykids to brute force a solution or whatever is in Eden isn't their mission.

I think the king is there but the king is "beyond saving." is Megabird aware of that?

[tulip aspen]

if you oob and try to walk there with the invincibility glitch, it actually takes 2 hours, so no, you'd need like 8000 wl

@frigid tinsel yeah no its logical enough i certainly admit that which is why i said im only against it due to bias

[compact shale]

Okay I see

But then again the one we hold in the limbo when we get petrified could be the one who sacrificed their existence in the world to save anyone and everyone

[keen shore]

I’m not entirely sure, if our only purpose is to save the king especially with them being prophesized to rule everything and whatnot it would be a really interesting “favoritism” angle like… why ARE they so important?

What are your ideas for our mission if it’s not to try and stop the storm?

[frigid tinsel]

maybe it's not quite favoritism, but rather Megabird wants the skykids to save everyone, king included. They just didn't expect saving the king, if possible, to be such an ordeal

[keen shore]

I hope we’re able to save them someday,
it would be really cool for lore

[dusk acorn]

Whom is this "king"? I just got to the sever today despite playing for years lol

[rigid mural]

I think Lamed would put milk before cereals in their bowl.

[tulip aspen]

so that implies it's the prince?

hmm, maybe so, but only if the mp-is-canon theory is dead, which would be really sad (and stupid) because mp was canon in the og plan

otherwise, it's just your own soul or something, cos that'd make more sense

[thin dirge]

Its an important character from the concepts of Sky, and is confirmed to exist in the current game, but sort of left to interpretation.

The King is supposed to be the monarch of the fallen kingdom, also theorized to be the Elder of Eden. But there's a chance they're not actually an Elder, just the leader and Eden happened to be where they reside.

Its theorized "King" is just the grown up version of "Prince", another charactr also confirmed to still exist in the current lore, but the biggest hints of their existence is Stargazer's memories in Isle and Prophecy

[dusk acorn]

OwO

[harsh pecan]

The King is the monarch of Sky. He is probably the figure in the Prophecy murals (the one that completes the trials) and is associated with power diamonds. Also there are a bunch of King statues/symbols in the game which just proves how important he is to the story

I have more pics of him if you want

[frigid tinsel]

it's also likely that the king was a skykid, assuming they're the Chosen One

[dusk acorn]

That is very interesting :3

[harsh pecan]

Indeed, the king is a very good character

[thin dirge]

The skykid in Stargazer's memories are theorized to be the Prince, as they're only skykid shown to have been born directly in Isle when everyone else was born at home

[neat flint]

We don't know if he's good or not tho

[compact shale]

Why would sacrificing existence imply the Prince?

I think in-universe it could be any of us whether there are lots of us or 8 of us canonically.

[harsh pecan]

True, but still

[tulip aspen]

maybe i just misread ur message lol

i just didnt know anything about someone "who sacrificed their existence in the world to save anyone and everyone"

[frigid tinsel]

actually everyone is born in Isle now instead of Home since the latest intro update.

[thin dirge]

Sky kids. That means us. Ancestors are born into Isle at first

[harsh pecan]

What

[frigid tinsel]

all newborn skykids land in Isle, on the shore just outside the cave

[compact shale]

How do they find out about home?

[thin dirge]

But that Sky kid was different. Was literally born into the center of Isle instead of being born before the cave

[harsh pecan]

Yes

[neat flint]

We were born at the start of isle might be game mechanic for guiding us 💀

[thin dirge]

Rlly....

[frigid tinsel]

first death after dying in Eden, you land in Home. I think that's when canonically skykids gain access to it or via the portal on the top of Vault if they don't go to Eden right away.

@thin dirge well yea i know, Chosen One landed in the middle of Isle

[tulip aspen]

also in the og plan for the game after all your other friends cinematically die (they would just server split but are alive in their game?) and you get the flame to the core of the King, the King is revealed to just be a kid, runs to you and drags you to the beam of light for you to both ascend, and then in the beam of light you are reunited with all of your fellow players you started the level with

thats just what i was referencing as a possibility

i still think it would make a great ending for a final final season of sky even now, that the longer the game's been out the further we get to the crystal, and the more we see the ominous colossus looming behind it in the background...

[harsh pecan]

So they just don’t know that Home exists until after they die??

[tulip aspen]

oh wow thats a sharp hekin theory @_@

[compact shale]

Hm... Idk if the king and prince are different people but...

If the Prince did sacrifice themselves so we all could be saved, then maybe that's why we can't save him.

[tulip aspen]

oh they changed it back???
during prophecy didnt they make it so we start in Home for some reason?

[frigid tinsel]

yea. that or the portal at the top of the Vault after the elder cutscene. that's what one of my sky OCs did. they were scared of Eden so they ran through the portal.

[tulip aspen]

idk where ur getting the sacrifice so we can all be saved thing, where is that from :v

[frigid tinsel]

i think it was mid-summer they changed it so newborn skykids land in Isle. I mean, I did and I first joined Sky in early August.

[tulip aspen]

okay that's great, that reaffirms the Homespace being a Mindspace theory

[frigid tinsel]

you and your mindscape

[thin dirge]

I had a theory the reason why we cant save the Prince is because they're already saved

Those kids... If they came before us, why are they all going towards the diamond? If there's no one else there when they came, why wpuld they go there in the first place...?

[compact shale]

The idea that even if one skykid save all the petrified kids in Eden, there will still be at least one statue that needs to be saved, unless there's an entity that can save any petrified skykids.

[frigid tinsel]

that one skykid would have to be very powerful

[tulip aspen]

its definitely possible

hmm

the giant crystal powers the ascension beam of light into orbit (in concept art anyways)

maybe the prince had to rupture it to begin the process but was consumed by the explosion being point-blank

[compact shale]

Jam did say you'd need 8000 wl to get to the diamond

[thin dirge]

[frigid tinsel]

vaporized

[tulip aspen]

ohhhh that makes sense, that'd be a beautiful ending to the final season too

and yes @thin dirge , back when the invincibility glitch existed it took 2 full hours of walking to get to the crystal

almost as bad as the journey to the eden model above wasteland social

[compact shale]

Yeah, imagine if it ended with a skykid coming forward and becoming something that could end the death cycle lmao

[rigid mural]

I can tell you, moths nowadays spawn in Home when starting the game@tulip aspen

[frigid tinsel]

Since when? /gen

[frigid tinsel]

I ask cos

[compact shale]

oh my

your hair is stunning

[frigid tinsel]

thanks, I'm proud of my 'fro

[compact shale]

I like how well-conditioned it is

TGC sure has some good head and shoulders

[frigid tinsel]

Dried in pure sunlight

[nimble ingot]

Maybe its Maybelline

[burnt cove]

Do you guys know the name of those huge trees in hidden forest , l just want to know.

[compact shale]

trees.

[nimble ingot]

petrified trees?

[burnt cove]

Petrified trees not a bad name for huge trees

[compact shale]

sky: trees of the light

[burnt cove]

This trees have no leafs at all it's just the bark and the trunk , when I played the game for the first time I thought that the trees have leafs on top

[compact shale]

According to the concept art, the way the trees are arranged represents teenage isolation.

[burnt cove]

Wow, thanks for the info, also are you ready for the next season Fruity?

[compact shale]

Good question.

[burnt cove]

I hope you are.👀

[compact shale]

:D

[nimble ingot]

I got curious and started looking up trees.
a black ash may be an option.

[compact shale]

if we offered some black ash tree on an altar, will Ash come down?

[nimble ingot]

XD worth a shot!

[tulip aspen]

WHAT

WHO LIETH TO MOI /j

i KNEW it

MAKE THEM GO BACK TGC

[compact shale]

Wh3y

[burnt cove]

I hope in future tgc will make a season that have puzzles that we need to solve in order to complete quest like season of prophecy except it's not trails but puzzles that require team work.

I think they should also add more lore in that type of season which have puzzles or trails

[burnt cove]

What kind of cursed photo is That??

[compact shale]

puzzles that use crabs to press buttons

[dawn reef]

Was Hidden Forest an economic place formerly?

[burnt cove]

@compact shale indeed

@dawn reef I think it was a economic place.

Hidden forest was used for lumbering and also for mining and hunting.

[tardy whale]

They were gathering recourses for the kingdom and also worked on technology

[burnt cove]

@tardy whale indeed, it was a very important place for the development of the kingdom of sky.

[floral grove]

If Ancestors used to collect lumber, where do they use the wood apart from bonfires? Most of the structures in Sky seem to be made of stone and a lot metals, to be honest

[tardy whale]

Idk, maybe houses or parts of boats, and mostly fire

[burnt cove]

Yes they used wood for fire and to build parts for boats

[final mist]

i dont know if anyone posted here before, but in a Season of Flight interview done by NetEase in 2021, there is a part where artist Yui explains how the windpaths links to all realm with a small recent Sky Kingdom map

you can find the picture through this link to the interview page:

interview released on 2021-10-13
https://sky.163.com/news/strategy/20211013/29298_978351.html

[pastel brook]

We ask everyone to please post only in English on this server, @final mist. Unfortunately, moderators and staff aren't able to support all the languages spoken by our global Sky family.

[final mist]

i toned the colour a bit brighter

this maybe the most recent official map (season of flight) , but i dont recall this illustration being released on Sky's official English posts yet?

[hushed steeple]

WHY 8000 THO

[compact shale]

IDK ASK JAM

[rugged oyster]

I have to remember the lore of Sky lol, long time since I last checked everything

[nimble ingot]

Eden spoilers
Has anyone noticed a change in ||dark room after the eye of Eden||?
The blue glow is now gone, which makes a small and interesting difference.

[thin dirge]

Gone?

Oh ye, I saw that in beta before update came to live.

But I assumed its a bug cause in some places, there's darker lighting for some reason

[nimble ingot]

yup, it made the scene a bit more high contrast. Since the blue and gold are the only colours on that black and white scene. (gold is the beam that appears later on).

[thin dirge]

Hmm, not sure if its a bug cause iirc while that was in beta, some places were also more saturated than usual like the sunset at Home. But eh, I havent really checked if that made it there to Live. I dont play beta, I just lurked a lot in the beta chats

[burnt cove]

So this is the official map of the kingdom?

[compact shale]

Can't be sure... :(

[burnt cove]

Hmmmm right

[night bramble]

Hello

I Will give u guys a spoiler
New map "THE ABYSS"? I guess that was the name anyway
Here the new map
https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSeX2j2q1/

[nimble ingot]

spoiler tag?
And jumping the gun a bit?

[rigid mural]

New season is tommorow, chill 😂

[compact shale]

Geez, pal, pal!

#sky-memes message

[night bramble]

[final mist]

Yes, this was given to NetEase( company that runs the China server) in a season of flight design interview by TGC staffs.

[night bramble]

Should i spoil more

[compact shale]

NO NO NO NO

[night bramble]

Alr

[nimble ingot]

If it is not in live, then it is forbidden.
You can spoil all you like in the beta channel.

[night bramble]

Ok

[compact shale]

good thing I made that encanto meme

[final mist]

It was given to NetEase as design concept content by TGC staff, so it is offical materials, just this particular illustration was not released on any English posts from what i rmb

[final mist]

U can find the map in the Flight interview link here

[neat flint]

I didn't realize it until you said it the song stucks in my mind again

[compact shale]

TGC: What is happening?!
Lorechat: WefoundsometablesApparentlywebreathenowOurlightisfadingAndnowwe'reallDOOMED!!

[icy spruce]

I hath been summoned by encanto

[midnight bane]

I don't know if anybody else has noticed or if anything's been said here, but do you guys think this represents the broken mask of one of the Valley elders...?

[rain pond]

what

[midnight bane]

I just noticed it was broken, but only on one side

[rain pond]

since when does a valley elder have a broken face

also crunchy image, cannot see it broken

[midnight bane]

The pillar not the masks, haha

[rain pond]

OH

but where the broken masks

[midnight bane]

Well not pillar, the accents? I dunno

[nimble ingot]

One theory comes to mind that the kingdom in Valley might not be united.
Where one half is either broken or neither side wants to work together.

There is the citadel (high society) and the dream village (low society) after all.

[midnight bane]

:0 woah, I need to study my lore--

[compact shale]

nope it's just the "dont talk about beta you lorediots" meme

[nimble ingot]

lorediots?
Not flattered but the neme, but curious.
Is it not loreidiots?

[rigid mural]

The valley has a pattern of twinned buildings having one side broken

[midnight bane]

Sorry for the low quality, but here's what I saw on one of their masks from a photo- might be wrong about it being a crack tho because it doesn't look that much like a crack rather than a line indent? still could be tho, I'd need better graphics on the pic to see

[rigid mural]

They tripped and hit a table.

[nimble ingot]

if you try to peek into the hair, you might get to see a smaller spike/horn on the mask for the elder

[midnight bane]

PFFFT-

[compact shale]

and then the table exploded from the sheer force of their head

[rigid mural]

Completely forgot if it was Alasdair, Kamilico or someone else, but I recall it being pointed out the twins hairs do a vague symbol when superposed, like when they start a cutscene with one in front of the other.

[midnight bane]

:O THEY DOOOO

But also the snoot, it droops

[rigid mural]

It was Ameoba.

[hushed steeple]

I wonder if anyone can make a theory that connects flight and valley elders, it just looks like a big coincidence to me but anything is possible

[compact shale]

If a bird is unable to fly, it is taken to the Valley Elders, who use it as a baseball and fling it so hard they start flying. Yay.

[rigid mural]

In the Light Awaits cutscene, they summon birds.

[harsh pecan]

The birds must be pressured to fly early on so they wont be used as baseballs

[hushed steeple]

Good morning lore chat, what’s the topic?

[rigid mural]

Considering Valley incarnates emancipation after teenagehood, it wouldn't surprise me if for birds, it meant fledging

[nimble ingot]

There are birds flying around the coliseum, ifrc. Evn if so, I am not sure if the birds are visible in the cutscene.

[rigid mural]

Not the live one no; you do see them when you head to the oob afterwards tho

[nimble ingot]

I wonder, does the dream skate scene take place in a different coliseum?
I assume so to avoid overlap with the usual (day) version.
Would that mean, there is a second OOB for the dream coliseum?
And if so, is it in the same area the elder one exists in?

[hushed steeple]

The elder one doesn’t have an ice rink. But probably-yes there is a different coliseum just for that scene.

[rigid mural]

Considering the elder oob is on this map because the altar is here, I would wager that dreams oob should be sought from the collosseum rink map

[wispy ingot]

Excuse me, does anyone know where I can find spoilers for the upcoming Ts? 👀

[rigid mural]

Not here, that I can tell you. Afaik there are none yet anyway, besides Earth Prophet being next.

[worldly grove]

Ok guys how to get in sky lore

[wispy ingot]

@rigid mural Ok, I thank you very much 😳

I will continue my search, goodbye 😂

[nimble ingot]

XD
How do we break out of the coliseum then?
https://tenor.com/view/laurel-and-hardy-stan-laurel-oliver-hardy-escape-jail-gif-3575628

[rigid mural]

I've been trying that for a while

[rigid mural]

What exactly do you want ? An explanation of what the realms could have been ? A glossary ? Deep lore ?

[rigid mural]

Rocket: windwalls stop us from going beyond the coliseum borders; it seems they are higher than the reset height so it's a no-go if you seek the clouds beyond...
Chibi: the reset depth is really shallow, that and the wind is hard to cross to go below the coliseum into the clouds. No assets below but I didn't get a good look tbh.

I think I will need the help of someone that can table surf...

[hushed steeple]

I remember that when you were in the dreams cutscene, you could play a music sheet and it would pause the scene allowing you to explore around. I don’t know if it still works tho.

[rigid mural]

Worth a try !

[hushed steeple]

I’ll try in a bit, my phone needs to update sky

I think it is the first music sheet, if I’m not wrong

So yes- it does work

[nimble ingot]

pog.
When the song ends, you can you quickly restart it?

[hushed steeple]

Yes, just open the music sheet thingy again and it will replay

[rigid mural]

Can friends warp to you ? I should try that with a friend

[hushed steeple]

On a side note, try using this wall to climb up since you can’t really fly at the bottom.

Also, throwback to the old coliseum

[nimble ingot]

ah, the nostolgia.
There used to be a cutscene to show it off. But the problem is you skykid is flying in and likely going to bock their head on the platforms.
At least the clouds were there to keep you from losing your light upon hitting the walls that hard (old feature, no longer a thing).

Still think the old coliseum felt bigger, but it was a lot emptier back then.

[hushed steeple]

Yeah, or if you’re sliding way back behind, you are still teleported.

[nimble ingot]

I always took off, I dont recall the teleportation thing worked for me.
8/10 I was flying and was sure to crash into something while the camera had a bird's eye view of the show.

[hushed steeple]

I only remember like, 2 times I successfully landed on the platform

[nimble ingot]

Do you remember the candle cakes on the pillars around the platform?

[hushed steeple]

Yeh, a lot of people say they were a pain to get but I found an easier way to get them so I didn't mind as much

Oh I hated that so much! It was so annoying to get up there and at the same time my friend would try and race me to the cake

[hushed steeple]

uh idk if thi goes here bjt i naver noticed this emoji before, is it like the mega bird

[hushed steeple]

it's known as the elder bird
could be the megabird idk

[hushed steeple]

Its usually depicted as a light creature. Unless you want to say the link to all souls/source of light has a part time job toting the rhythm troupe around.

[nimble ingot]

That was added during the season of Flight.
It is an Elder bird. You can see it by checking the name of the emoji.
Here is the emojis that were added along side it (to my best knowledge, I might be wrong)

[rigid mural]

were here before &Co were added !

[thorn oasis]

is there an official translation sheet for the sky language?

[nimble ingot]

@thorn oasis, for this one?

[thorn oasis]

no, for the language in the game

like, the meaning of each symbol and what letter or syllable it represents

[nimble ingot]

Can you give an example?
Aside from the diamonds, and some symbolic references, I dont know of a written language in the game.

If it is the bells though, there is an image I can link to.

[rigid mural]

Idk about op but the bells letters interest me

[thorn oasis]

the one in the vault's elder mask in specific

[nimble ingot]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message
Found that

[thorn oasis]

thank you!

[nimble ingot]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message
#lore-discussion-spoilers message
#lore-discussion-spoilers message
still digging for one more, here is the rest so far.

[rigid mural]

HUH.

[hushed steeple]

We love the confusing language of sky— that is if it exists

More language-related activities in sky would be lovely, or seeing spirits use more advanced technology such as knowledge projectors and—whatever language the sky kingdom uses 😀💦

[nimble ingot]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[willow prawn]

I remember getting the last wing at the end of both races was always a nightmare because it meant you had to be faster than anyone else or do the race again

Otherwise, Woop! In the stage already

[nimble ingot]

wait, wl (stars back then) was always something you can get.
even if you got it, someone else can still see it when they have not.

did you mean the bonus candle only went to the winner of a race? (unless I was wrong about that)

[willow prawn]

Well, they were already winged lights when I got in (since the Coliseum changed before dreams)

I'm talking about how someone reaching the end of the race teleported all of the other people in the server, but in the final slide there's a wing.

So if you wanted that wing, you had to be in first place or the teleportation wouldn't let you get it

[nimble ingot]

oh that.
Yeah, that was timed, I believe.
When you are too slow, the race ends regards if you reached the end (as in got the wl).

That luckily changed to allow everyone to race at their own pace, though taking too long in the current game would make you lose your friends, because of server instances.

[willow prawn]

The problem was always being in servers with more people, haha. I remember that it was a lot more crowded back then, since we didn't have the Chevron system and races were a quick way to forge one candle in the day

I do miss ending the race sooner but I'm glad I don't need to stress over the WL anymore. Win some, lose some

[nimble ingot]

fun fact, back in light awaits, the races were actually a thing.

[keen shore]

I’ve heard about this and I’m a little mad that I never got to experience racing others. I wish it still existed as an optional thing, maybe similar to the hide&seek spirit

[nimble ingot]

Depending on which side you stand, you are either the red or blue team. Your cape will change to the colour to show it.
Then when the race starts, your team will compete with the other team to get the most fragments. The fragments that time were blue butterflies

The team that got the most wins and the cutscene will show the flags change to the winning team's colours. There was even a podium or stone tablet that tallied up the scores.

To my knowledge, it was removed because it supposedly made the game too competitive. Perhaps the losing team would be too hurt, so the races were made with no winners, just everyone gets to finish the race.

[rigid mural]

Too bad, would have been a great opportunity for a "git gud" emote.

As if TGC could stop us from being competitive, it's more of a hassle but you can time yourself.

It's just wierd even the realm based on competition has to be downgraded like this... I wish they kept the cape color change at least, it would stimulate camaraderie with people you accidentally end up on the same side as.

I hope left side was blue cape, I always pick it.

[nimble ingot]

We dont want competition, everyone is a winner

*platform exclusives
*season ultimate rewards
*TGC cape

[rigid mural]

• Chinese server

Litterally why do they have more lore than us, it's so frustrating. That and the really wierd way NetEase showed they can impact us...

Urf. Salt aside, today I noticed the spinning mentor bends over a bit when they walk. That and the dreams spirits all being retired teachers... maybe the quail-masked spirit also was physically old ?

It's so cute how the dreams dancer had to pull their arm, probably pleading the mentor to teach them how to ice skate.

[nimble ingot]

I was wondering it they had a bad back. Which could be why the skater girl was after them when they walked off.

If so, then the spinning mentor either got hurt and cannot skate competitively anymore, or got scared to get back to skating, because they might get hurt again.

[rigid mural]

[keen shore]

I noticed this too, and thought it was a really cute detail!
Side note does anyone have any thoughts on why the bear hug hermit is a hermit?

[marsh rivet]

i thought he was a yeti? but also i think because... bear hugs? soft fur makes bear hugs warm. nice and comfy tight hugs from big fluffy man. doesn't need lore. also i want him to- @#€#€€&-5--+++&-(((+-+_6+ and #-#€##€#€€&+)(+&+-& me

[oak zenith]

Sky kids need air now
What does this mean?

[compact shale]

It means that we may or may not have a merry crisis

@keen shore We don't know if they're a different species (different biology from other ancestors) but an ancestor in generational terms, or if they're an ancestor who doesn't shave, or if that's really their clothes

[rigid mural]

New season in 8h and a few, how are we feeling, chat ?

[compact shale]

aperture science

[keen shore]

Hey quick question, do the huge and/or adult spells have a fixed or known height? I need to know this for science reasons

[hushed steeple]

Eh? Hermit means someone who hides away from civilization. Its not a species.

anyone who says hes not a yeti is completely mistaken >:/

[icy spruce]

Is that a portal reference

[compact shale]

No I was asking if they were a humanoid ancestor or a cryptid ancestor. Or if they don't shave. Or if that's just their clothes. It could be any of them. AAAAAAAASH

[keen shore]

I really hope it’s not the first or second one because both imply that when we wear their cosmetics we’re wearing an imitation of their skin. The first makes me concerned or amused (I can’t decide) by peeking postman’s choice in crushes. The second one means that if the average ancestor never shaved they would just grow fur and I don’t know how to feel about that.

I’m rethinking it and although I doubt it I now hope it’s actual canon that the peeking postman literally just has a crush on Bigfoot

[keen shore]

Or even, does the assembly torch item have a known height?

[tulip aspen]

I still don't know how to feel about your shaving Theory

I really don't believe that we're supposed to think deep on that, on a completely other level from the fact that we're already not supposed to think about Sky anatomy

[hushed steeple]

Mythical creatures and cryptids vary by franchise and media. This one has yetis as normal people.

I wish they didnt wuss out on the word

[keen shore]

I hate the shaving idea because it’s so cursed and we don’t have the information to solidly disprove. We can assume by stuff like “isle spirits aren’t fuzzy and they probably didn’t have shaving tools” but what if they did

[tulip aspen]

okay, so with my Theory on Sky children hair, the hair is just a projection of light

however, my theory is also say that the ancestors had a weaker light and therefore couldn't project as strongly, so that would have to imply that ancestor hair possibly might not be proper projections of light

their hair probably is much more solid and can't be changed on a whim as the sky kids can, which is why they probably aren't projections

however, maybe the light grafts their hair onto their forms
so that the strands of light coming out of them would harden and solidify just enough to become physical

I really still don't think that yetis fur is an actual part of their body

look at their mask and everything underneath it after all

I really do think that Yeti specifically is a suit, possibly a covering he needed to not freeze

[keen shore]

I don’t know how I feel about ancestors working like us and projecting light and all. They seem too real/solid to do so if that makes sense, especially with the info they need to sleep, probably eat, can die from things that would Definitely not hurt us, and although polluted rain & water drains their light in spirit memories it doesn’t seem to hurt them beyond that. I feel like they were much closer to normal people than us, obviously with some differences, and we’re just weird

[tulip aspen]

I mean, it basically is
there is the possibility that postman just really wanted to become friends with Yeti

either way I don't know or think that the ancestors would have any sort of higher romantic attraction to each other

we only think about that because we're biological after all

but I guess that's a controversial statement for me to make

[compact shale]

idk I don't think skykids will ever understand romance but I think the ancestors had romance

[keen shore]

Okay TRUE maybe they’re all aroace, I would like that :-) I am also aroace

There’s no real reason to fall in love with people when the sky just makes easy and convenient children for you!

[compact shale]

That's a brand-new sentence!

[hushed steeple]

After thinking about it I decided im anti mouth, as Jam put it

[tulip aspen]

I think them needing to sleep is a lot more like kamis explanation of them needing to breathe, they do it and there shouldnt be any further reasoning needed why, that even if they are just shells with light they still need to sleep and breathe

that's the best way to explain it due to devs not caring about anatomy; we shouldnt care so much either

and sleeping is still very valid even then, as maybe the light cant overextend itself

and yeah there's no proof ancestors and skids eat lol

[compact shale]

I have a headcanon that if you sleep directly on/near earth, your light will pull soil components into your clay shell and use it to repair injuries and reinforce your body

idk if Gran's dinner is canon but I like to think that ancestors have to eat

[hushed steeple]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/CheerfulMajesticDinosaur-size_restricted.gif

They eat like this ⬆️

[tulip aspen]

my arguments are all very bias as i just dont like humanizing ancestors

[keen shore]

Yeah, I’m just confused about the eating part. To be clear, I don’t think they’re purely biological, I think they’re just closer to it than we are. There isn’t any solid eating stuff but some stuff like the dumplings, the bird scare spirit trying to plant seeds, the alchemist trying to purify water (so they can drink it?) so on seems to vaguely hint that they do need to eat and drink, which is what throws me off.

[tulip aspen]

even if it is canon we still don't eat it, yknow?

[keen shore]

It’s like they expect us to assume they eat because they’re “people” so there’s never direct evidence that they do in order to prove it, because it would be obvious… does that make sense?

Side note, look at the size of this sword. Who is this even made for???

OH WHAT WAS IT

[hushed steeple]

Ok Tsadi with an s (plural) is a no no word.

[keen shore]

Do not dare speak of the Clones

[tulip aspen]

well i think its better explained in the fact that it's just a human theme tgc portrays to us because it's relatable and cozy to us, rather than exemplifying what ancestors and skids do

when tgc does things and makes events they don't have the narrative (ancestors being nonhuman is likely solid narrative theme in the lore bible, due to it being exacerbated in the concepts) in mind, not [just] because they dont care, but also because an important part of their work is making the event/activity feel relatable or cozy to the player, rather than exemplify what skids and ancestors do

that's why i really dont think breathing and eating ever mattered as a disputable topic to tackle, and that we really shouldnt have to talk about it

but we're lorechat, so 😌

[keen shore]

TRUE half my hobby is just over analyzing things

[compact shale]

Idk. Maybe for a soldier wearing a Tsadi-size mechsuit? WHO KNOWS

[hushed steeple]

Yeah anatomy is kinda....a nothing topic. They do whatever is familiar to players.

[tulip aspen]

tsadi can carry it for sure, but again, giant spirits had to have existed

[compact shale]

Yeah, it's not important to them. They're playing fast-and-loose with it.

[tulip aspen]

that being said, they are shells of light that project forms and im right so accept it /j

[keen shore]

Even some of the stairs in the sky world make me think of this fact because they even feel too big for the average ancestor. I’ll see if I can find an example but just in general…

[hushed steeple]

Honestly you will never ever be surprised if you just assume they are just like human beings

[compact shale]

The only hope of finding out the anatomy is to ask an old dev

[tulip aspen]

they wouldnt know or care either

[hushed steeple]

But im still gonna fight non-existent tooth and nail for skykids not having fingers and other digits.

[keen shore]

Then how do they play instruments??

[compact shale]

badly.

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[tulip aspen]

glad I've converted you to anti mouth

[stable veldt]

Hello, first timer in lorechat, it really feels like entering this theorist with a bunch of red strings club

[keen shore]

While we’re on the topic of where things go on the biological->nonbiological spectrum how do you guys think light creatures work? Do they have animal behavior like being predators or prey, or are they just kinda there? Can you pet them? Do they need to be domesticated or will they just be your friend??? (I feel like domestication would be really difficult in this world because selective breeding is impossible]… They can obviously die so how does that work and what kills them?

[compact shale]

1. Krill were corrupted and not always in the ecosystem and judging how things went some mantas might have developed some evasive strategies, or they migrated or something, as for dark crabs idk what they eat
2. Someday...
3. Ancestors definitely domesticated them, we see some pull boats in Flight and one ancestor (Backflip) rides one like a showhorse
4. Krill eat mantas. Darkness ig.

[stable veldt]

idk if this is spoiler:

YOu know when we like, die in sky we go back to orbit, the animals there also go back to orbit? I assume light animals act like animals but they need light to eat instead of well, food. They don't really exhibit predatory, only grow old and that's that. They can be tamed and stuff like the skid emote where they can attract a butterfly and the people in sky put them in jars. If anything, corrupted creatures are the ones that eat other light creatures like krills n stuff like fruity said

[compact shale]

Apparently bones symbolize an unnatural death. Animals need to go to Orbit too but I don't know if it counts as dying for them, they don't seem to have an equivalent to the suffering we have in Eden

[stable veldt]

i assume each animal have their own timespan of life

[keen shore]

I know the corrupted creatures eating light creatures is a weird new thing in the ecosystem, I’m just curious as to how it worked before then

[hushed steeple]

Nasty rude suckers don’t have to get bashed open to fly to credits

[stable veldt]

i think it's like a lightbulb. Like i said before, have their own span of time, when the animals grow old, they just ascend and return back to a small tiny butterfly, same like a jellyfish cycle

[tulip aspen]

yep, the animals and everything ascending to Orbit is what's known as the Cycle of Light theory: that animals are an extension of the giant mass of light that we see being a collective of children of the light in space

the light creatures are basically just the lifeblood of the Light, reaching out and touching all corners of the universe
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QeIMzNaPz-TzC8ZHrdUYTOZ99zObm1PYx65sejTyIfc/edit?usp=drivesdk

[keen shore]

However, if we all work together, we can change this /j

[tulip aspen]

yea they just fly up lol

[hushed steeple]

If we try hard enough, we can ALL SUFFER EQUALLY.

Maybe not a great idea

[thorny zealot]

I want the king to come back

[compact shale]

Animals don't give a frick about rebirthing.

Unlike us.

[stable veldt]

Yeah I do wonder, can skids die aside of the obvious reason being sacrificing light in eden?

[compact shale]

They can, in that case they get sent into a black pity room with a single winged light.

edit: you take the wl, then you are teleported to home.

[keen shore]

I feel like animals do get reborn but instead of staying as the same soul in the same shape like we do, they just get recycled into the Greater God Mass and can be reborn as basically anything

Usually it’s birds because there’s so many of them but being a bird is super boring and everyone hates it. Hence, why all of them fly towards Eden to try again the first chance they get

[compact shale]

I heard that the stage a manta is in is based on how many rebirths you've done. Idk if it's a theory, a dev statement, or a concept art idea.

[keen shore]

Could make sense in our current lore given that every time we get reborn we gain more winged light. Maybe theirs is just a more obvious manifestation of that… though would have to wonder where they’re getting it from considering spirits give us ours

[stable veldt]

would say that spirits also have this ability to fly since they also have this winged capes. They're saving winged lights for powering probably

[keen shore]

I’m pretty sure it’s confirmed that spirits can’t fly, especially because then it would render your help in the whole wind paths storyline useless because all the spirits have winged/wing shaped capes

[compact shale]

I think ancestors can glide along the right currents, but they can't fly with the degree of freedom/precision/control we have.

[rigid mural]

What if the vault cutscenes depicted apprentices with their elder
Would it mean...?
with the prairie mask ?

[steep prawn]

that looks so cute ❤️

[compact shale]

Ayin: Great job carrying 500lb of butterflies, Flighty!
Flighty: *five... hundred...?
Ayin: Soon you'll be able to carry 1000lb of 'em like a feather~!
Flightly: one... thousand... OOF

[stable veldt]

How smart are the skids? They could relive memory and immediately learn the skill, while on some scenes it's implied spirits needs to learn that all of their lifetime before they could master it

[keen shore]

Love the implication that the flight guide is extremely buff and we just don’t know it yet… ALSO I LOVE YOUR ARTSTYLE

[rigid mural]

Flight guide could have broken those giant rocks themselves, they just don't have wings.

[hushed steeple]

what if skids are actually living in simulator and all the the emote (skill) are actually been given little by little because their body can't withstand all of them at once

[rigid mural]

what

[compact shale]

hm

You know what would be depressing? If Sky ends with a scene of all the ancestors in the Sky, but then watching us getting taken over by darkness and petrified in the kingdom. Except unlike the ancestors, no one is coming to save us.

[sharp lichen]

Couldn’t you say that anything is living in a simulation? It’s a theory that’s impossible to disprove unless outright stated, and that’s why I don’t like it

[tulip aspen]

vela always had been a national treasure

[rigid mural]

You give me strenght my dude, tommorow we shall conquer the world.

[compact shale]

oh no

[keen shore]

Can I join please?

[tulip aspen]

i mean skids were created for the purpose of saving the ancestors, so the familiarity to what the ancestors had become over time is a part of their design

its the reason why they look like them after all, and not some don't Lovecraftian angel

[keen shore]

Also side note, was trying to get a good angle of the fortress in Wasteland’s battlefield because it seems like a simpler architecture to draw rather than jumping straight to the complexity of the Citadel from my beginning point at the first area of Wasteland. Was looking over the rubble and noticed something I’ve been thinking about for a while because I need to solve it to get an accurate reconstruct. So here there are tons of gaps in the walls (I fried the image to make them more visible) but there’s no rubble that we can find around them. So either those gaps were there in the first place, which is a strange design choice for a fortress, or something happened to the rubble. I think the second one is more likely (probably just fell under the water) but wanted to get a second opinion

[tulip aspen]

I've always thought that area was more of a village town thing

[frigid tinsel]

seeing your art pop up in the calamity of lore chat is always a blessing <3

[wispy canopy]

It's possible that where the supposed enemy penetrated the fortress by breaking down the side ,the over time ,everything got enveloped by sand and dark water

[harsh pecan]

The art

[frigid tinsel]

i would comment on Sky beings anatomy but I am currently incapable of high-level thinking

[storm swan]

你们好

[somber barn]

I would say that the lore in sky is pretty hard to find but still there

[storm swan]

有没有中国人

[pastel brook]

We ask everyone to please post only in English on this server, @storm swan. Unfortunately, moderators and staff aren't able to support all the languages spoken by our global Sky family.

[compact shale]

And it isn't even that important to the game or devs. Unfortunately. AAAAAASH

[storm swan]

Are there any Chinese?

[keen shore]

Here’s my 3 second map idea of it as a defensive fortification in front of the vault entrance, I’ll be making a more detailed version of this later but I feel like it makes sense lore wise for vault to be defended that well. There’s even a gate at front and what I think are remnants of a watchtower along the sides

[storm swan]

Is there anyone who can answer my doubts? The number of the test suit, how to do it?

[hushed steeple]

what if we're all actually a robot that have been manufactured in the past that was meant for war, but that factory to produce us almost gotten destroyed because of the war and all the real people are ded

[frigid tinsel]

mmmmm, child soldiers

[compact shale]

I mean, don't others think we're Megabird's janitors? Cleaning up the disaster, and getting reborn because we're not done yet

[hushed steeple]

or we've been free for too long that we gain conscious

[frigid tinsel]

you're right in a way skykids are janitors. the thing is, we seem incapable of cleaning the big major source of darkness (Eden). feels like we're more ranchers if anything – finding and herding spirits, fending off darkness pests that go after the light cattle.

also we're not paid so skykids feel free to bum off whenever.

[tulip aspen]

3 seconds
a thousand times better than my whiteboard sketches

[compact shale]

though we probably shouldn't

[frigid tinsel]

skykids should unionize

[hushed steeple]

there is a movie similar to my theory, it's called "9"

[compact shale]

is it that movie about creepy robots?

[frigid tinsel]

Megabird: so you need to fix the ancestors' screw-ups and help send them to afterlife as well as figure out how to stop Eden from imploding. you will die many times and suffer along the way and watch your friends suffer but it's for a noble cause.
skykids: and what do we get out of it?
Megabird: pardon?
skykids: shouldn't we get a reward or benefits for doing this treacherous labor?
Megabird: the spirits will give you their clothing out of gratitude.
skykids: ...

[rigid mural]

I'm afraid your translator is making your question hard to understand 😅

[frigid tinsel]

did not expect that emoji to be so big, whoops

[hushed steeple]

me: fine I'll accept your sad1stic quest as my reward

[tulip aspen]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[tulip aspen]

:)

[storm swan]

My English is not very good.

[compact shale]

I ONLY KNOW ABOUT IT FROM SABERSPARK DO YOU THINK I CAN ACTUALLY RENT AND WATCH IT

[tulip aspen]

its on Netflix
9, coraline, klaus, and a few others are absolutely worth the netflix trial

[icy spruce]

YEAHHHHHH

AND HILDA

[compact shale]

stealing coffee makers

[neat flint]

Yeah and inside job, kipo, she-ra, etc. 💀

[tulip aspen]

OMG OFC YES

[rigid mural]

I understand. Were you asking for game advice, or for help understanding the story ?

[harsh pecan]

Ohhh I watch Saberspark too

[keen shore]

Ohhhh man these ruins are frustrating to decipher. Here’s my “watchtower” although it’s hard to tell if it actually is one or one of the walls’ corners. I also don’t recognize the things in the second picture; I checked and they’re a different shape than the pillars holding up the fortress

[burnt cove]

Hey guys I have a question, do Skykids have diseases?l mean is it possible that they can get infected by a disease?

[stable veldt]

probably corrupted by darkness, but diseases? Maybe no, afaik we're being of light and we have no confirmation on biological makeup aside of that

[burnt cove]

@stable veldt ok

Also only four hours left for the season to start.

[tulip aspen]

WHAT

[stable veldt]

Today we suffer lore chat

[burnt cove]

:)

[tulip aspen]

LETS DO IIIIIIT
@compact shale ready to go drown?
we ride at mid (reset)

[compact shale]

Good question.

[burnt cove]

@tulip aspen best of luck guys you are going to have a hard time swimming

[compact shale]

WAIT A MINUTE

DIDNT WE SAY WE WOULD SACRIFICE VELA

[stable veldt]

For why skids shows bubbles:
Been lurking in lorechat for a while, some brought up skids are basically flame light, therefore making bubbles from boiled water. They need air because well flames need air, but i don't know really

[tulip aspen]

nahh, im good at things
---will lose at least 20 wl in the next week

[keen shore]

I’m not afraid of the deep water or the scary monsters. What I am afraid of is getting distracted by small lore details and then drowning because I was a second too late to get to the surface

[burnt cove]

@keen shore do not worry you will not get drown.

[rigid mural]

Pros of reset being too late to stay up for it: I get a good night sleep & skip the server crashes that happen because everyone logs on at reset

[frigid tinsel]

reset for me is 3am. can't wait to wake up and watch this channel implode

[stable veldt]

it's 3PM for me, timezone is sometimes a blessing and a curse

[rigid mural]

9am for me. I could get a normal schedule and wake up at a reasonable time but lbr,,,

[burnt cove]

For me it's 1PM

[keen shore]

It’s 3am for me as well if I’m doing math right. I can stay up until midnight but it’s too early to be awake then

[compact shale]

You said you'd sacrifice yourself to get the lore resources for everyone.

[rigid mural]

Pay me

Also I said I would sacrifice my winged light, which I will, I just prefer to stay a simulacrum of diurnal 😛

[frigid tinsel]

i think lore chat should unionize

[rigid mural]

So true bestie 💅

[hushed steeple]

Yo im gonna pull a skybot and say.

Go to sleep. Season will be there tomorrow. Go bed lil punks go bed. Im gonna snzzzz

[tulip aspen]

the words, what do they m e a n

[harsh pecan]

Isn’t it already unified?

[frigid tinsel]

debatable

[compact shale]

Merry crisis

[icy spruce]

U’re too late

[tulip aspen]

it was for the lore bible debacle

[frigid tinsel]

there's always a crisis in lore chat

[compact shale]

Qhdhdbendnwnifyeben

[harsh pecan]

Oh, luckily someone has “agreed” to fund it

[harsh pecan]

Fellow lore chat people, it’s almost time

[lyric isle]

Who’s ready for some adventure on the high seas, and in the deep seas?!

[harsh pecan]

y e s

[icy spruce]

Pls screen share it since my phone’s memory is unable to uhh handle Sky kekw

Oh nvm

[harsh pecan]

RIP

[icy spruce]

nvm my phone (somehow) downloaded Sky

(Which is weird since it has genshin, cookie run)

[harsh pecan]

Nicee

[neat flint]

Your phone told you to play the new season 💀

[tidal valve]

ohhhooo I’m so excited for the next season (-,: reset in 30 mins right?

[neat flint]

!seasonwhentellmebruh

[pastel brook]

I can sea it now. We must be only 30 minutes away!

[lyric isle]

not to be a pessimist, but 20 min until some of our headcanons are under serious threat

we either adapt them or change them entirely
stay strong

[stable veldt]

5 more minutes, i can smell suffering in the horizon

[harsh pecan]

Same

We’re gonna get another lore season

[compact shale]

SALT

[neat flint]

Wow i'm spoiled 💀

[harsh pecan]

1 more min

[stable veldt]

i'm quite a new player around here and uh, this is my first season. Should I join immediately when it starts or should i hold back because server crashes?

[harsh pecan]

ITS HERE

@stable veldt try to join, if it crashes then wait a bit

[boreal bane]

Mural

[lyric isle]

Mural% speedrun complete

[boreal bane]

So the skylid absorbed the manta to learn how to dive?

[harsh pecan]

Y’all are going there already but I have to wait for my friends 😭

[harsh pecan]

Ye

[harsh pecan]

Lore

[boreal bane]

Well that was a short mission

||So the resources we’re collecting is dark stone ||

[lyric isle]

oh boy we’re gonna have a feast

[boreal bane]

Was it a flooded mine? There seem to be mine carts in the area

[icy spruce]

Space manta hybird 5ing

[lyric isle]

is that a power diamond factory?

[icy spruce]

So its confirmed abt the manta and diamonds then?

[boreal bane]

Hmm, mantas in cages?

[icy spruce]

Ye lmao

[lyric isle]

right cracks knuckles

what’s the verdict on you-know-what

[icy spruce]

Im so happy the juice theory is correct

[compact shale]

don't know. don't wanna try yet. still jittery.

[tulip aspen]

👀 wake up new light creature dropped

[icy spruce]

Lmao

[compact shale]

Having a good time, Jam?

[lunar flax]

Lobsters and baby whales!

[icy spruce]

HUEHEUEHEUEHEYEHEHEHEHEHEHHEHEHEHEHE

[lyric isle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xqr8HRXTpw
oh dear

[lyric isle]

can we talk about the first part of this or

[icy spruce]

SUBANUTICA 2.0 LETS GOOO

LEVIATHAN WORM-KRILL???

[boreal bane]

Isnt this one of those gondola things from village of dreams

[icy spruce]

Ig so, I mean its a diamond factory so it produces ddiamond-related things???

[lyric isle]

ok
so what explains the diving

[icy spruce]

Consume the manta to dive, seems logical

/j

[lyric isle]

right
how do we justify this

[icy spruce]

Manta like becomes particles, fusing with us

[compact shale]

magical skykid transformation

become amphibious

I HAVE NOT PRAYED TO THE MANTA YET AHAHAHAA

[icy spruce]

Secret tunnel ehe

[compact shale]

ARGH.

[lyric isle]

it vaguely reminds me of Hollow Knight tbh

[compact shale]

Please do not harm the merchandise.

[boreal bane]

Small theory about how treasure reef got flooded before we learn more about it

When eden explosion happened, it caused a tsunami that was sent to the treasure reef and flooded the area

[harsh pecan]

I think that’s what happened

[lyric isle]

ok uh
i’m a bit sad about the manta thing

makes little sense with my current skykid headcanons
but tbh it feels like Hollow Knight so it makes sense

[hushed steeple]

Trying to get a good shot

[compact shale]

so what are the cages made of?

[lime gull]

JOURNEY!?

[hushed steeple]

king krill?

[boreal bane]

It looks like the wall from last season that would prevent us from accessing the other wind paths

[stable veldt]

While some believe the place might be a dark stone query, i think according from the murals it looks more like a light creature research lab, in short, it may be one of the first "buildings" that the spirits made to research about the usages of dark stone before putting it on everything

[hushed steeple]

my friend suggest they could be using mantas as batteries for omething

[compact shale]

But for... what?

[icy spruce]

MANTA JU-

[hushed steeple]

NO

[icy spruce]

YES

[compact shale]

NO I MEAN WHAT ARE THE MANTA POWER CELLS POWERING

[stable veldt]

probably the entire lab or some city, using it for some dark stone query or the research

I'm pretty sure there's a time where the spirits haven't use dark stone yet, in which they would capture light creatures as some sort of a power plant while that. With the discovery of darkstone, they slowly shift to that

[hushed steeple]

Found their message

[tidal valve]

the caged mantas... I haven’t done any of the quests yet but... the light harvesting cages underwater? )-:

I don’t think they were making dark diamonds either, I think they caged the mantas as a way to store oxygen so they could continue mining underwater

[compact shale]

Oh my god

Using mantas as oxygen givers is still messed up tho

[tidal valve]

My skykid is just chilling underwater as I skim through lorechat lol

still... the krill in anxious memory? looked very small (maybe just to fit in frame?) I’ve seen every light creature in sky except for jellyfish underwater

in the memory there’s a krill in the water, but I haven’t seen one in game yet, maybe the giant one at the very bottom? I’m too scared to go there yet though.

I like that we get to see the weapon technology being made, the harpoon gun is super interesting and I wonder if you can find them in other places in gw too? or just exclusive to the new season

Anyways! I’m going to go do the quest now

[boreal bane]

Gun

[stable veldt]

come to think of it, why do they have harpoons in the first place? To hunt krills? And harpoons are usually associated with water animals

[tidal valve]

not sure if the cosmetics have changed much since this was taken during beta, but I find it super interesting that there’s dark stone technology within the masks?

[tidal valve]

Harpoons might be there to gather resources like fish, in anxious memory they were looking for fish

but we also do see in a krill in their memory as well...

[rigid mural]

HELL YEAH NOW I CAN SAY MY THEORY

[stable veldt]

Wait this means they eat, obviously before their deaths but still

[tidal valve]

Also... where did u find this mural OWO

[rigid mural]

Gun ? Darkstone ? New island that used to be inhabited but became an area to explore for these scavengers (looters in french btw) ?
I think some ancestors may have survived the Eden disaster, but had to live in the ruins of their world until they too died off.

Also gun. Dude they had guns. Technology close enough to our 15th century ? Wild.

[tidal valve]

mhm I feel like it would make sense for it to be placed post eden disaster, there are krill? And dark stone technology as well as buildings, but I’d have to wait for the rest of the season to unfold to make any super major conclusions about where the season would fit in the timeline

I think it’s the giant creature that’s in another mural as well

[rigid mural]

We're all still figuring stuff out, don't expect essays an hour and a half in the season 😂

[boreal bane]

From this area

[tidal valve]

The giant creature at the very bottom I think... I haven’t gone there yet because SCARY

[pallid jetty]

the place could have been abandoned at any point of time.... the place could have been abandoned and people would have thought to loot the area for goodies
just like how people irl would go to abandoned things (like a beached cruise ship for example) just to steal things

[tidal valve]

OMG what I have the larnten IOOHHH time to go to the deep dark...

[rigid mural]

Oh yeah, tons of diving looters in that one Italian ship that sunk. Irl it's disrespectful but in Sky it's funny to think of spirit criminals doing spirit crimes and risking spirit jail
They're also doing the equivalent of looting what looks like either a mine, a lab or nuclear waste, which is a real bad idea without the proper gear... the crew shares a braincell canon

[tidal valve]

Ok so I think there’s a invisible barrier? At least my friend couldn’t go any further down

[rigid mural]

Areas like these are usually guarded for this specific reason, so if they managed to get it, it means the mainland was at least too distracted to notice them going there and looting.

[lusty merlin]

MURALS

THIS WAS A DIAMOND PRODUCTION FACTORY/ LIGHT CREATURE FARM

[tidal valve]

I feel like by the time our pirates got here, the previous people in this area who were mining or whatever had already left

[lusty merlin]

Well scavenging does mean looking for leftovers or anything that left so definitely

[ruby quest]

ah heyo

i want and had a thought about krill and the ||Leviathan(aka big krill)||, so i don’t remember where but i head/saw theories about how they were man made. okay know if you seen and remember something from jurassic Park [sadly i don’t remembered which one] some one said they they are evolving so what if krill are the same

so meaning krill can well…have smol bebe krills

[tidal valve]

the murals have people inside the tower, it was probably drained from water while they were working and flooded after it being left behind...

Unless they really were harvesting light creatures for air

[pallid jetty]

my theory is that an attack happened on the area causing the entire place to flood, and the people there evacuated and the scavengers took the chance to sneak in but they didn't know the importance of the area and the dark secrets it held.... they just wanted to steal the diamonds

[lusty merlin]

I’m totally not overthinking this and how this can be giving a big freak you to the king hmmmm nooooo that would be dumbbbb

Cuz they didn’t have to draw the target a diamond

[lusty merlin]

I like to think it was a diamond production factory and a light creature farm to gather i their light essence to make it possible to power said diamonds

We’ve seen light creature farming in action with the laugh emote form prarie, and forest elder holding tons of manta in their temple
And we NEED light to power diamonds sooooo

[tidal valve]

must be a power diamond manufacture unit, the giant tower

[pallid jetty]

one things for sure i don't think they left on purpose, everything seems to be halted so suddenly, the minecarts are still filled with stone, along with some barges

[tidal valve]

there is a power diamond symbol, I think whatever happened, the power diamond creation awoke the krill

[lusty merlin]

Disturbed the krills beauty sleep

[tidal valve]

Sucks the manta got stuck behind, wish we could save them somehow

[lusty merlin]

True, guess time will tell what happens to their fate

[compact shale]

Are you having a good time?

[floral grove]

The king? 😳

[harsh pecan]

Or they yknow…

[boreal bane]

its a tower

[tidal valve]

Wonder what the kings doing here though... tbh king theories confuse me so idk ANYTHING

[harsh pecan]

A King tower

[ruby quest]

well anyway what if ||leviathan|| is somehow related krill and krill and just jr. and big boi is senior, mean that krills can get big. all aide this picture i have shown is ||leviathan|| inside on its mouth, when i looked at it i seen are teeth, so i want to bring this up what if ||leviathan|| is a carnivore

that means bringing this up again, if ||leviathan|| IS CLOSELY related to krill that means krill are carnivores

but wait there is more

[floral grove]

I haven't explored thoroughly yet but I can definitely see some similarities with the king's silhouette and that tower symbol

[lusty merlin]

I’m still stuck on this: I do feel like this was directed at the Reah, like why… draw the symbol as a diamond???? Not a circle??? Unless it’s just them using the king as target practice to release some pent up anger towards Resh, who would probably be not a good ruler if they hated him so much to use him as target practice

Or I’m overthinking

[harsh pecan]

Hes there cause the people that operate the factory like him

[lusty merlin]

We will never escape properganda

[harsh pecan]

Imo targets just looked like that

[lusty merlin]

Ahhhh I’m overthinking this theory then if that’s the case

[harsh pecan]

Probably is

[ruby quest]

now i go to graveyard, what is there? krill. but what is also there….? bones, a lot meaning krills must have eaten whatever creature it was because where are there so many in one area?

[tidal valve]

Will say, I remember tgc saying that they had a plan for to show how uncorrupted krill looked like, so I feel like maybe... the new guy.... could be it?

[lusty merlin]

It didn’t click for me that krill in sky are carnivores after reading this theory…. I do not like it

[harsh pecan]

The average krills are smaller compared to that so maybe it was eaten by something else

[tidal valve]

If the krill come from the creatures underwater, does that mean that there used to be oceans in gw?

[icy spruce]

I mean, remember (u can get diamonds from light creatures so uh, prolly the ancestors yknow did that to get diamonds then krill came)

[harsh pecan]

Yea, it has access to large bodies of water afterall

[ruby quest]

true but there is the off chance that krills are scavengers closely acting like sharks

[tidal valve]

It’s just all corrupted water?

[grave glen]

Could it be the sanctuary large large manta fish :0

[brittle spruce]

So I found this while looking for megalodon, any lore to this?

[icy spruce]

Map

[harsh pecan]

True, but there had to have been a time when it wasnt corrupted

[tidal valve]

more could be revealed in the next quests! Tried swimming all the way down and there was a barrier

[ruby quest]

yeyeye i agree, the whale or maybe the fish we see in both forest and beginning of wasteland

[icy spruce]

Worm Leviathan ehe

(ahha subnautica reference)

[harsh pecan]

Diamond factory

[tidal valve]

I think they are extracting light from creatures to make dark stone/ diamond technology

[grave glen]

There could be a big krill like creature deep under the main tower, it looks like a sacrifice ritual to me, but idk it's just me guessing and that might be too dark for sky

[tidal valve]

I mean... there are 2 manta cages

[brittle spruce]

It looks kinda like a temple where maybe the megalodon lives under?

[grave glen]

Does anyone remember if the small krill-like creature in the abyss spirit cutscene was white or black??

[tidal valve]

I wonder if this ocean area was man made though... quarries whenever built tend to make man made dams of water for their resources

[harsh pecan]

White I think, but thats most likely because it was a memory (oh wait no it was black in the cutscene)

[tidal valve]

The krill was black in the cutscenes! It’s just lighter during the memory fragments but I wouldn’t count that in for lore just a design choice for the memory fragment shards

[naive flare]

Does anyone remember if the small krill-like creature in the abyss spirit cutscene was white or black??
@grave glen it was just spirit coloured, so it’s uncertain if it means anything it was probably just a krill

[grave glen]

There's a stone painting that shows it's man-made I think! The one on land

[naive flare]

There's a stone painting that shows it's man-made I think! The one on land
@grave glen near two of the spirits theres a mural above land showing them with pickaxes and bringing crystals to the big tower i think

[neat flint]

In one of the spirit cutscene there’s one holding a crystal sort of(?) might be dark stone?

[grave glen]

Ahhh thanks that's what I was looking for haha, cuz of the memory fragments my own memory is confusing me lolll

[fickle wing]

to me it looks more like they’re studying? light creatures in some way
after all those are scholars in the mural

[tidal valve]

I feel like, the island might be entirely manmade, at the the underwater areas, just like how a quarrie would work

You need lots of water anyways for whatever they use quarries for

I mean, the caves could be sign that it might have been natural? But we won’t know unless we get a some lore treaties from ash and somebody asks

[neat flint]

Can we talk about whether sky kids have organs or not

[grave glen]

I mean considering that they need oxygen, they might have lungs

[compact shale]

Well, fire needs oxygen so we're probably getting gradually extinguished...

and if water pressure affects us too, that's double suffering

[grave glen]

Ooh I like this theory

[night pecan]

lore gods i have a question as your average sky player

[neat flint]

I agree

[night pecan]

do the krills dislike mantas or is it just that one manta in wasteland?

[compact shale]

Krill probably wanted to eat the light of that manta. Here's a MOTD about what krill do.

Apparently the krill are corrupted light creatures. But we don't know what they used to be. Maybe they devour light to try and purify themselves but it always fails...?

[night pecan]

so theres a manta in wasteland that's just, chillin bc he's got no light

[grave glen]

Damn Fruity is a lore god I never knew

[compact shale]

UM NO IM JUST A REGULAR ARCHIVIST WHO HASN'T PRAYED TO MEGABIRD YET-

[lofty rover]

So there is a manta to diamond conversion chart mural like wh-

[compact shale]

#JusticeForMantas

[grave glen]

Wait it's conversion???? I thought those are offerings to the dragon underneath

[naive flare]

Hey so off of this mural, they still seem to be mining crystals, so do we think they use the mantas to convert into crystals also??? Or just power them like how we have to use light to power the crystals in game as well, maybe the conversion table is how many crystals each creature type can power at once?

[neat flint]

Dark stone mines?

[naive flare]

Dark stone mines?
@neat flint cuz we all know how well those turn out :D

[nimble ingot]

That looks like a side cut view of the mine.
I wonder if the sea creatures can swim under the island like in the mural, if the island is possibly a floating island?
Because if so, then I can theorise that the mining operation took so much dark stone, that the island could no longer float on the water surface and sank.

[brittle spruce]

Or maybe it could be a temple? Because I looked at the surroundings and looked at the mural and they looked pretty similar to one another

[nimble ingot]

The manta could be there to show the creatures are tying to find a path through the wasteland and the krill will pick them off. So, that one you see get krilled is there for story telling context.

[nimble ingot]

Perhaps, I like the idea.
Maybe the later quests will let us explore the deeper sections.
There is a big door down there somewhere and there are gates that hold creatures and lead to more passage ways.

[night pecan]

probably is, but also i really wanna doodle a manta gesturing to a krill which is like 10x it's size and going "this is my wife!"

[nimble ingot]

oof, XD

[compact shale]

Skitty x Wailord

[haughty talon]

Image 1: mantas are brought into the Chambers in what seems like trays/trolleys. The elders in each level seem to pose like they are offering something? And possibly the one in the bottom is an elevator (like in colosseum) used to go up and down the Chambers. May be they were feeding the large worm ElderKrill

Image2: water level in mural shows before flooding. Currently water level is where the green line is. We can see mantas were herded then possibly kept in columns filled with water(blue) and then we have 2 buttons in each column - juicing controls?

So they had a research lab and mining operation... Something like chernobyl happened I guess

[nimble ingot]

would the praying figure represent intellectual ancestors?
AS in, it does not necessary mean they were praying, but instead were doing something else? It is a bit odd to only see praying intellectual ancestors and hardly any of them doing something else. All while the normal looking spirits ( I assume are workers) are seen in various poses (bending over, holding something, praising, running etc.).

[haughty talon]

Thr painter was prolly paid less and didn't do a good job or representing all actions properly 🤣

[haughty talon]

These 3 guys outside herding the mantas have something in their hand... A remote control? Something to lure mantas?

[nimble ingot]

candles? o.o

wait, are those candles?
I don think there ever were candles in a mural before.

[tidal valve]

Maybe a bell?

Light creatures are lured by bells

[nimble ingot]

bells/candles.
Either way, neither one was ever shown in a mural before (to the best of my knowledge)

[tidal valve]

My quarrie theory I think is also supported by one of the murals, we see a staircase but the area isn’t flooded, there are stairs in game and minecarts, I think the water level was very low,

There are stairs and a giant building too, in order for that to have been accessible to had to be above ground

[dusk plaza]

this is my take:

The area has multiple purposes.

1. Mining and processing ores into diamonds
2. Light creature farm/research lab
3. Manufacturing power diamonds using light creatures; hence the different buildings in one area

I agree with the opinion that the timeline of the season is set after the flood. And I don't think the miners, scientists etc. even realized that there was a leviathan underneath the main factory. I noticed when trying to swim deeper to where the giant krill might be, that the floor seemed to have been broken, as if something huge charged through it. Maybe the leviathan did that, and caused the whole place to flood. Maybe it wanted to avenge its friends trapped by human hands.

Another theory that i have, (if the mural is not actually a conversion table), that they experimented on the light creatures to get bigger. Bigger means more light power. And one ended up becoming the leviathan, which is why they built the lowest floor.. to observe the leviathan. And to find the best way to use its light to power up diamonds. Kind of like the Indominus Rex from Jurassic World. Humans tampered with something they THINK they understand, only to end up facing the dire consequences.

[grave glen]

lmao i just watched the trailer and it basically spoils quite some stuff about quests later on

[tidal valve]

they made a trailer? I thought they only had a teaser which was posted on their Instagram?

[grave glen]

the one in news, idk if it's the one on instagram tho
it's released AFTER the season release

[tidal valve]

mhm I’ll go check it out!

[brittle spruce]

Yeah

[tidal valve]

Also, I like to think that maybe we are taught to dive by absorbing the mantas memory?

I mean... I don’t think we were eating it lmao this is probably very obvious

[compact shale]

Who thinks we're eating it?

[tidal valve]

Maybe the hungry krill in gw

[nimble ingot]

tsk tsk

[compact shale]

Megabird sends blessings in the form of manta /j

Or maybe we got a fragment of the manta's essence

we're part manta now we can now enter water

[nimble ingot]

The spirit manta may the first spirit animal to officially exist in Sky. In light awaits, there were other spirit creatures that would bestow blessings.

Perhaps, instead of absorbing it, us skykids are given a blessing and now able to dive under the water in the same way most mantas can.

[tidal valve]

I wonder if any of the underwater creatures share any sort of biological differences then the ones that aren’t underwater

[lyric isle]

noooo why is all the fun discussion going on while I can’t
can we talk about this again later

[tidal valve]

I haven’t seen any of the manta in the new area rise to the surface, and all the manta in every other realm don’t touch the water rather using clouds to regain enegry maybe?

[nimble ingot]

I really like this idea as season pass, the skykids slowly become stronger and learn new abilities.
It feels natural from a gameplay perspective as this shows character progression.

Any moth that joins the game now, may not be able to do the things an avid skykid can. But they can easily catch up by simply playing the game.

The seasons that I feel empower the skykid thus far are the following:
Enchantment - Access to spells aside from spirits and events.
Prophecy - If you try to do a trail out of order, a message appears that says your skykid is not strong enough. Meaning, the trails make the skykids stronger, even though the gameplay does not change much.
Assembly - Able to interact with spirits more (high-five, hug, etc.)
Little Prince - Introducing meta knowledge, where parrallels can be drawn between Sky and outside media, and have the Little Prince act as the linchpin to support it.
Flight - Take part in the spirit's stories, allowing skykids and spirits to form a stronger connection to the lore (again, not gameplay changing, but character development)
Abyss - Where the skykid gains a new ability that affects the gameplay in a major way.

[tidal valve]

Questions I’d love to have a solid answer to so far:

Are underwater and sky manta different species? / have different biology

Is the new area entirely manmade like a quarry/ why did the water level rise?

New season set before the collapse of golden wasteland/ eden or set during the discovery of dark diamond technology

[nimble ingot]

You can, the discussion will never end, and older topics can always be brought back up.
Especially since this channel gets new members, which means the lore here is always going in a loop.

[tidal valve]

Messages will still be here when you come back! But if you need a recap on anything you think you missed feel free to pm me!!! <333

[rigid mural]

The mantas in sanctuary all come out of the water tbh

[floral grove]

If you guys were to draw a map of where the new Abyss area is, where would you place the new area? I'm a bit puzzled since it's said that a bunch of scavengers found land that's "near" GW. Yet, GW has dark water for miles on end yet the new area has perfectly fine water

[nimble ingot]

This is just one skykid's opinion, though I promise to stay objective here (meaning, I dont give bias and assumptions, unless they are stated as such).

The mantas in the Abyss area do look a bit different to the day and cosmic versions. That and I have not seen any rise out of the water, yet. So that might be easier to answer later on, as the season progresses.

The islands do have a lot of manmade structures, and little to no natural terrain. So, it is likely a mine, and possibly a place to observe the creatures closely.

As established in the rest of the game, the skykids are set in the present, the spirit memories are based (or at least adapted) from the past, and the future is uncertain until the skykids and spirits work together. So, the season are is currently sunken into the sea. While in the past, it used to be high and dry.
What contradicts the 'spirits are set in the past' statement is how the latest season have spirits that seem to be living in a time that is pretty close to the present. Such as these spirits are reacting and actively working with the skykids. As if they are presently alive.
Perhaps the time of the abyss spirits are the most recent, or there is something else at work here that allows the spirits to somehow keep 'living.'

[tidal valve]

Lmao they do, well guess I’m blind

[rigid mural]

Beta used to have the dock in the shipwreck area; if you look from there, you will see islands on the horizon

[nimble ingot]

I would place it due east of the general area (using the temple as due north, as a reference). If not a bit more to the south, since the water is not polutted.

[rigid mural]

I like to think this season has spirits that survived the eden cataclysm or lived very soon before it

[tidal valve]

I feel like it would still be in the gw and valley region as the buildings are similar and it’s shown through murals that they have technology

[naive flare]

Questions I’d love to have a solid answer to so far:

Are underwater and sky manta different species? / have different biology

Is the new area entirely manmade like a quarry/ why did the water level rise?

New season set before the collapse of golden wasteland/ eden or set during the discovery of dark diamond technology
@tidal valve
We’ve seen the whale from sanctuary island go above and below water, so it could be assumed all light creatures can do so, but maybe just to lesser or greater extents? (Hence skykids needing a blessing or something to dive and still not be able to do it without air)
Place seems to have been mined for crystals in some places, so at least some of it has been mined out, but i mean it still appears to be a natural archipelago
Timeline is probably set after, the crew is scavenging broken remains of the civilisation alongside you for said diamonds

[rigid mural]

I'm fed and rested, will go dive back into the depth. Wish me luck, I might lose wedges

[floral grove]

The crystals in Abyss though. Could they be the darkstone that Ancestors used for their technology? Or at least an ingredient for the said stone

[tidal valve]

I think soo.. in the quest we get our stone from a pedestal inside a temple, those pedestals are seen in valley collesium which is filled with diamond technology

[nimble ingot]

the gold trim does help make your case 👍

[compact shale]

Your sacrifice is noble.

[floral grove]

I haven't done the quests yet but I'm very excited to see this

[nimble ingot]

They could be the raw material at the least.
Based on concept art, there was a refinery, so the dark stone might not have been always this potent.

[naive flare]

I think soo.. in the quest we get our stone from a pedestal inside a temple, those pedestals are seen in valley collesium which is filled with diamond technology
@tidal valve have we seen raw crystals outside of one of the spirits to confirm what colour they are?

[tidal valve]

I still like to think maybe manta have evolved over time, and maybe certain realms of sky have different light creatures, bc speciation and separation can make a species become 2 seperate ones

Wow my English is terrible

[nimble ingot]

there are shards in ||Eden||.
Some are red and can deal damage, and in one place, they could be blue and deal no damage.

[tidal valve]

Thy are blue! you can see them in the cutscenes, and it seems each of the spirits wear a diamond on their cape and their hair!

[naive flare]

there are shards in ||Eden||.
Some are red and can deal damage, and in one place, they could be blue and deal no damage.
@nimble ingot my shaky knowledge was that red ones are unrefined and blue are refined and able to be used as power and ornaments safely,

what im talking about is in the abyss we see the spirit that climbs the tower is picking clearly uncut gems, but because it was a spirit memory I couldn’t be sure what colour they were intended to be,

so has anyone seen either red crystals in abyss, or unrefined/uncut looking blue ones anywhere?

[floral grove]

Perhaps there is a connection with their diamond accessories to the diamond symbols of the shields in the battlefield of GW?

Maybe diamonds are considered as some sort of nationalistic symbol of the people who reside in GW so the fighters put them in their shields while the shields with the sun symbol represent fighters from Eden, the supposed most advanced city of Sky? Not to mention that The King/The Prince most likely resided there hence why Eden's "nationalistic symbol" is the Sun since The King/The Prince is always drawn with a sun-halo

[tidal valve]

Maybe! But i think the diamond symbols relate to some status symbol

[floral grove]

Sorry if I digressed too far from the Abyss lore, I just wanted to share my theory

[haughty talon]

Mural upclose (converted to B/W for better visibility)

[naive flare]

Maybe diamonds are considered as some sort of nationalistic symbol of the people who reside in GW so the fighters put them in their shields while the shields with the sun symbol represent fighters from Eden, the supposed most advanced city of Sky? Not to mention that The King/The Prince most likely resided there hence why Eden's "nationalistic symbol" is the Sun since The King/The Prince is always drawn with a sun-halo
@floral grove ooh yeah i keep hearing about this king guy, i know that he’s supposed to be the one who built valley of triumph and stuff but what specific lore things about him does anyone here know of?

[floral grove]

I heard one time that he's the one responsible for the destruction of the kingdom (him building the red diamond in EoE that went crazy). I also read from a tumblr post that he apparently went to war with the other Elders because of their incessant usage of Darkstone (ultimately, the creation of the red diamond) that wiped the entire kingdom out

[tidal valve]

Yes this! It helps differeate the different working classes

Labour (bell makers in prarie)
Warriors (soilder in gw)
Knowledge (vault priests!)

They all carry diamond like symbols that change depending on their jobs

[haughty talon]

Unrefined ones are there as you enter the underwater cave after getting manta juice power to dive

[compact shale]

I think the manta gave a part of its essence to us. We're part manta now loolololol.

[floral grove]

Man I'm getting serious goosebumps from all the lore. That's how good the game's lore is

[haughty talon]

There are also unrefined ones near that cave with abandoned mine trolley 🛒

The boat upclose

[naive flare]

Ok so is there a difference between red stones and darkstones, do we know where they come from? Or how they are made exactly?

[tidal valve]

Don’t we see a statue like this in the beginning where we meditate to receive the mantas diving blessing?

And I also realised that this statue is also found in scantuary islands

[compact shale]

Whale tail.

[neat flint]

Oh it's a scrapped design of the king looking statue in the reef

[naive flare]

Don’t we see a statue like this in the beginning where we meditate to receive the mantas diving blessing?

And I also realised that this statue is also found in scantuary islands
@tidal valve yes, a group of three of them, the mantas seem to like them honestly, in one of the sanctuary quests dont three biggish mantas come round and circle those statues and hang out there from then on?

[floral grove]

Perhaps Redstone is Darkstone that contains too much impurities. I would say that the impurities in question are Dark Dust but that wouldn't make sense in my opinion as Dark Dust most likely came from Redstone itself

[neat flint]

The crystal looks like the crystals on the frozen statue near the end of eden

[tidal valve]

Dark stones are thought to be harvested from mining maybe!

Some little edivencr says maybe from cutting the trees in forest

Then power diamonds are thought to be made from dark stone/ harvested light creature

[haughty talon]

A clearer version since discord seems to compress and we lose details

[naive flare]

Dark stones are thought to be harvested from mining maybe!

Some little edivencr says maybe from cutting the trees in forest

Then power diamonds are thought to be made from dark stone/ harvested light creature
@tidal valve ty all for educating me so much im new so i guess one last thing im caught up on is darkstones? Ive just never heard the term before, where is one?

[tidal valve]

Mostly concept art! I don’t think we really fully see a darkstone in-game maybe the red ones in eden?

[floral grove]

I thought darkstones are the glowing stones found in floating ships? The same ones that we light with a candle to power the boats in Village of Dreams

Sorta offtopic but I like to think that those stones are just very powerful magnets on steroids

[lofty rover]

Wow this really looks like a quarry

[tidal valve]

I like to think of those more as diamond technology? I feel like darkstones are the ones they harvested that don’t have accessible power but when light in put inside them they become useable technology?

[neat flint]

[tidal valve]

Wait what’s the last photo?

My brightness is on LOW

[neat flint]

The unsaved statue in eden

[lofty rover]

Ugh that diagram looks so much like those blast furnaces

But instead of metals it has.. mantas

[naive flare]

Mostly concept art! I don’t think we really fully see a darkstone in-game maybe the red ones in eden?
@tidal valve ok ok got it, so as i can gather-

1. Blue stones, or power gems, used to power doors, boats, what have you, are mined (as we can see from this new season! As well as the light miner spirit) and refined to be used or placed in clothing
2. Darkstones and redstones, possibly the same thing? Possibly one is refined into the other? Are also mined and used for (unknown purpose?)

Either way somewhere along these refining processes, or maybe just general handling of dark/redstones,
darkness water is produced, which corrupts light creatures into dark creatures

[tidal valve]

That’s just how I think of it! Obviously everything is up for interpretation and if you have another or seperate theory that’s totally valid!

[floral grove]

Batteries? I can definitely see that. Now I like to think that solar-powered machinery is our real-world equivalent to Darkstone

[naive flare]

The unsaved statue in eden
@neat flint oh! So perhaps blue crystals are preserved light that has been frozen into crystal form by the death of the original light creature?

Every time we light a blue gem was it once a manta or whale that died either at eden or by the civilisations hands,

this explains why their power is activated by using a skykids light, and why creatures are possibly held and used as both activation switches and sources of crystals themselves, and why these crystals are found everywhere underground,

as statues of dead light creatures are ground into dust from the eden storm and form the mountain over time

[tidal valve]

There are batteries in forest concept art and in-game, you can see them in forest temple! The diamond revolver type things that attach to the doors and turn gold? Or blue when you open them

uwu time for the sneep snorp, tomorrow I have to do online legal paperwork )-:

[naive flare]

uwu time for the sneep snorp, tomorrow I have to do online legal paperwork )-:
@tidal valve oh noes :( have good sneep snorp

[haughty talon]

Mining mural

"MantaPowerReactorCore"

Blue crystal raw materials

[lyric isle]

power diamond factory mine hypeee

[rigid mural]

Seeing the size of the power diamonds given in the quest & their ubiquitous appearance in a vaguely pirate setting... I think the smaller diamonds were used as currency.

[lyric isle]

that would make a lot of sense tbh

[compact shale]

Oh my goodness... well, it's the best we've got!

How's everyone, Vela? Do you need something to cure your suffering?

[rigid mural]

I'm fine, biggest trouble is orienting myself to light stuff up. Seems there's a barrier to prevent you from going too deep, so now I'm chilling by light algae after exploring shallower depth. Nothing not mentioned in this chat I'm afraid, got some pics of the bottom (rocks, that's it) and that's about what I got to offer.

[compact shale]

Thank you dayoooo! :D

[neat flint]

That’s a big scratch

[night pecan]

could be mr leviathan

[haughty talon]

Heavily edited image

[haughty talon]

Possibly long after the technology was mostly forgotten... Scavengers got good money flipping smaller crystals to the last of the forgers/smiths who could still use the diamonds? 🤔

[icy spruce]

Lets goooo worm leviathan

[haughty talon]

May be... Or may be they just exist and get attracted to light... May be the experiments with manta attracted many dark creatures... Including the the large Elder worm

So they had no other go but to feed it to keep it calm? When they ran out of mantas they fleed the place sealing it with water?

[floral grove]

Does anyone have a timeline of the seasons with Abyss in it? I'm talking about the chronological order of the seasons lore-wise, not by their release dates

[nimble ingot]

How did you get these? 👀

[haughty talon]

Took close up pics (used fall asleep emote to fall into the wall then use one handed mode to zoom in). Then cleaned up image in edit

[nimble ingot]

Dude, that is excellent work!
🤝

[jaunty tapir]

I don't think there's a tgc approved timeline for the seasons actually, unless you're asking what others think?

[compact shale]

Thank you so much!

||you're an archivist, Nomad!||

[icy spruce]

Abyss was prolly near the fall kekw

[floral grove]

I was asking for people's theories. TGC approving lore stuff seem very unlikely

[compact shale]

they rarely directly approve, though sometimes Ash comes in...

[vestal sapphire]

The murals keep telling me that this isn't the only season area

[floral grove]

Ash our saviour 🙏

[vestal sapphire]

The fact that there's an ominous hole in the ground supports the idea that we're gonna have to go deeper

[compact shale]

take the shovel

[haughty talon]

I think it is long after the fall. Given the time it took for water level to raise

[vestal sapphire]

Also assuming that the murals are accurate, the whole thing is built like a tower underwater, and we just scratched the surface

[floral grove]

Does The Fall refer to the falling of stars or the fall of the kingdom?

[haughty talon]

Falling of entire civilization

[floral grove]

Interesting. I've always thought that by the time the civilization fell, the Ancestors all went extinct. For there to be survivors despite The Fall sounds like a game changer for the lore

[haughty talon]

Detailed view of the top area of the lighouse

[neat flint]

The blockage is opened 😳

[compact shale]

Enchantment may have been survivors, though we're not sure.

[icy spruce]

oh hallo Flour, how’s being a dough

[haughty talon]

I think there is general consensus that there were multiple civilization that came.. And current sky kids are one of the newer ones.

[neat flint]

Good hbu

[icy spruce]

its good, just lost one WL because of the damn manta cage ^^

[floral grove]

Now that I think about it, it does make sense. A lot of the Seasonal Spirits have very distinct clothing. Clothing often reflects culture and culture exist within civilizations

[night pecan]

idk if it's true or not but from what i know there are humans (now spirits) and sky kids
sky kids are (most likely) non organic life forms, hence why you see them crack in eden or why when they loose all light they turn grey, the hair and other things are illusions of sorts

[void raft]

Have you ever thought about it cronologically? I think it would be hard for all these civilizations to exist at the same time. I believe that the default spirits were first (which is supported by how the Daylight Prarie has ship builders, which could have moved in with the later seasons).

[floral grove]

Honestly, no . I don't know most of the past seasons very well except for Dreams and Flight which is why I'm wondering if someone has put the seasons in order in case there are connections to each season's stories

[haughty talon]

I hope at some point TGC gives more weight to lore... They could make our actions in a seasonal area affect other areas around the Sky world. Like restoring tunnels in flight path should have actually decreased the darkness and presence of more light creatures in Ark since we supposedly fixed a block in the plumbing system of winds across realms

That way they open up a lot of story arcs and possibly move towards a united story that applies across sky. Rather than bits and pieces of puzzles that in the name of being "open to interpretation" is mostly vague

[hexed silo]

was it just me who just had a very horrible feeling the moment the gate opened for the first quest?? i feel like we're going to keep on going deeper and getting more stones, unlocking more doors, and.. idk i feel like we might open a gate that should not be opened

[raven pollen]

I've glitched oob and can tell you you're 100% right

[haughty talon]

Usually people put pictorial warning for future generations to not do something... May be we will end up doing the exact thing they are trying to say in the murals

[night pecan]

good thing mr leviathan passive :)

for now at least...

[vestal sapphire]

If we had access to Sky files or assets the first thing I wanna do is compare sizes of the whale to the leviathan. Wanna see if they can square up to a underwater kaiju battle

[void raft]

TGC tries to refrain from giving direct lore, they like to setup the world so that we sort of figure out our own stories for how the world works

[raven pollen]

Ok sorry for repost but I brightened the image a bit to make it easier to see

[haughty talon]

I think it is also their excuse not to hire a proper writer I guess... I mean you can have stories open to interpretation... But keeping it too vague is frustrating(my opinion).

[raven pollen]

There's also a regular krill down there btw
Thought this big guy is very scary-

[haughty talon]

This deepWorm seems longer than whale in eden. But roughly same size(diameter?) as it

[void raft]

They definitely have writers who plan out the seasons considering how well put together the voiceless spirit stories are. Every character has a roll in the larger picture. Its a good way to make people more attatched to the story since you have to pay attention to the details if you want to figure it out

[haughty talon]

Question: why would something so deep underwater have so many small eyes?

[raven pollen]

To be viscerally terrifying

[vestal sapphire]

True. Irl sea animals would usually need big eyes in the deep parts of the sea

[hexed silo]

unless it's not natural

[vestal sapphire]

Tho the leviathan looks like it has eyes all over the top of its head, like its looking up

[void raft]

Pray-like-animals (those hunted by preditors) typically have eyes on the sides of their head. In deep water it could be useful to see more area. However, since they are on the top of it's head, it most likely hunts from deep below and rockets up to the surface

[raven pollen]

Surprisingly he's friendly right now and you can ride around on him 🙂

[vestal sapphire]

considering the first mural we get about the leviathan is it jumping out of the water, like a shark, that's prob the case

[void raft]

He is full from eating all the rest of the people who are not there

[haughty talon]

I'm not sure they have a dedicated writer. Unless you force logic and bend logic a lot and accept holes here and there... A lot is not coherent if you see them in detail.. At a very very high level it all seems coherent. I think for character design and other stuff they only need a vague story and vague conformity to world building I think.

[vestal sapphire]

Also it's weird that the leviathan of all things has mass. Unlike the krills which are just pitch black, this thing has a physical body and has shadows. If it's related to the krill then it should prob be made of darkness too right?

[hexed silo]

probably, but that also means it's not 100% a creature of darkness

[vestal sapphire]

The leviathan, idk if this is intentional, has a hitbox. You can actually touch it. It's got mass

[haughty talon]

Since we also have krills underwater... May be the deepWorm chose to swim in the depths for some reason

[void raft]

Well at least we know how the spirits died

[vestal sapphire]

Well krills are capable of swimming, as seen in the first krill appearances when they swim out of the goop

[deep osprey]

Now that Season of Abyss has started I can now legally ask what these murals are.

[haughty talon]

I say they are warnings for future generations to not repeat what caused a catastrophe in that area

[vestal sapphire]

Kinda contrasts with the whale, its light counterpart, who can fly

[hexed silo]

it's probably depictions on what each location functions as, the first one served as mineshaft for example

[vestal sapphire]

Second one looks like a container for mantas or a manta blender

[haughty talon]

What's the use of depicting it? Usually it will be knowledge that should not be lost so that either someone benefits from it or is warned by it

[deep osprey]

I think that the king krill is passive because we're just too insignificant for it to care. If I was massive and I wanted light I wouldn't go for a tiny speck I can barely see.

[haughty talon]

Little does it know I have 150+ shiny light fragments in me

The first cave mural, broken light house with scratch marks all point to a violent past. Possibly by Mr DarkWorm. Let's see how the story plays out.

[hushed steeple]

My wife noticed it looks like the last mural it looks like they offer the creatures of light to the krill. And the krill make something they stack on the right. We also swam around and noticed some mantas trapped in well like cage things.

[frail jacinth]

that big boi down below doesnt have claws does it? if so that makes it 10x more scary bc what caused this 😳

[haughty talon]

We haven't yet seen a proper flying creature like a dark bird 🐦... It would be awesome to see one

[frail jacinth]

yeah! it seems like something big with talons or claws so that'd be a cool thing to see in future quests or seasons maybe 👀

[dusk zephyr]

the light creatures trapped in the air columns were pretty interesting.
but i ran out of air checking it out :/

[vestal sapphire]

Looks like we just... SCRATCHED the surface

[frail jacinth]

from that first mural posted, it looks like they're mining ores/gems maybe, and transporting it to the lighthouse, so maybe whatever it is didn't like that or wanted it for itself

[deep osprey]

That's what I thought. There's also two buildings on the left, and whaddya know they look just like the ones that spirit used as it's harpoon range.

[glacial storm]

The new season cave drawings added a lot of ideas to what the civilization had, one drawing seems to be a temple of sorts…?

I think, they offered these gems and mantas to somethong because the one dreaming seems to imply that. It’s very odd to see mantas in some containment room and a lot of the people on said drawings are praying 🤔

[willow prawn]

HELLO I hope you're full of theories because I am

I did a chibi fall in the big tower to inspect what was going on and ended up drowning to get these pics but I regret nothing

If the first picture is a mechanism (it looks like one), what paper does that giant black thing play on it?

[turbid cliff]

Where can you find that? :o

[lapis notch]

My guess is that there used to be an underwater civilization, or at least one that was in a valley.

They were going ham at the resources, as you could see in the murals. Another of my educated guesses is that they exploited nature to such a degree they built like an underground lab to cage in and study species from the area.

Not sure though if it looks as if the flood was caused by them, by the explosion of the Eden Eye or by something else

[willow prawn]

In the highest tower, chibi fall to enter, then swim down through all the areas until reaching the lowest point, and there's kind of an OOB that allows you to get out and see that thing

Hard to explain but it's neat. Careful with the drowning tho

[turbid cliff]

Ohhhh

[lapis notch]

I love how we, Skykids technically made of stone and light, can drown.

[dusk zephyr]

if you want my thoughts, it seems like there might have been 2 groups here, the current treasure hunters, after the flood, and the previous civilization (which seems to have not been flooded originally since why build stairs and what looks like what used to be an elevator then?)

yeah, just found a mural that suggets the water level was lower.

[hushed steeple]

Kinda solidifies the fact that the spirits may have returned after fleeing the fall of Sky, huh? Kind of like to check for survivors or anything salvageable?

[lapis notch]

It’s the Lore channel; I love to talk about the lore with others! So of course I value anyone’s thoughts 😄

But yeah, it seems this entire season is going to focus on like… Indiana Jones’ing the ruins of the Atlantis-like civilization

[dusk zephyr]

like this is a mine and the far right is waves, or water, but every spot with ore now is flooded.

[lapis notch]

Hmmm… you think the Diamond exploding might’ve caused it?

As in debris fell into the ocean and created a tsunami? Or the explosion itself made an earthquake?

[dusk zephyr]

possibly but the crystals we pick up in the first quest look the same as the ones you light up in other realms (like hidden forest), so I'm not sure if they're that unstable :/

[lapis notch]

No but i mean the Eye of Eden. The Big Boi ™ that the King was using

[dusk zephyr]

oops, haha, sorry, I'm not that caught up on all the lore yet. I'm just looking in the abyss area.

[thorny zealot]

Harpoons are in sky now. Hmm

[dusk zephyr]

memory krill
wait sorry that should probably be in #seasons-events-chat

[tulip aspen]

lore chat so busy la sigh

[willow prawn]

Why the sigh, Jam?

[tulip aspen]

can't read it all, and frankly don't wanna

[icy spruce]

Lmao

Darn, there’s a lot of lore moffs

[tulip aspen]

learning curve moment

[icy spruce]

Lore chat being alive is weird, gonna take a break

good luck with lore moffs Jam lmao

[tulip aspen]

see but they're talking about the timeline, and crystals, and the season and ancestors here in general

my stuff that I'd show people is about main themes mostly, so I'll just hide away

[icy spruce]

Just spam docs and the concept timeline and call it a day ig

[tulip aspen]

nah, i wont write docs about this season until i finish it

the lorechat team frankly cant put our heads together when there's this much hype

there's too much of the same questions being asked over and over again

[icy spruce]

Yep

cough cough last quest of proph cough cough

But hey, this is better than that event since FOR S9ME REAOSN THERE’S NO SLOWMODE WHEN THERE’S LIKE 100 MESSAGES PER SECOND

[tulip aspen]

got the shiny glitch, never noticed resh is holding something up there

its almost like... a place to insert something?

[tulip aspen]

pls dont jinx it lol

[icy spruce]

Lmao

Ah, lore chat being dead

finally

[tulip aspen]

blessed

[icy spruce]

and welcome back to Please Stay Krilled (totally didn’t rip-off of CGK)

[tulip aspen]

shiny resh

the more I look at it they're not inserts at all, but the way the statue opens....

if the ones on the ground are supposed to be turrets, could those ones be cannons.....?

[frigid tinsel]

those look glorious
musing: ik they're al made out of stone and bricks, but perhaps the king statues/turrets were gilden/shiny back in the day cos the king was that vain

Well

[tulip aspen]

they are only shiny in that pic because I got a weird visual glitch because it's not a new season if something doesn't break

[frigid tinsel]

Yea ik I was just musing

[frigid tinsel]

This is what it feels like to be deciphering the new murals

[sharp lichen]

ah more lore wow

[steep egret]

My conclusion (it doesn't have to be canon, this is just what I agree on what happened) from some of the murals in season of abyss.

Krills were mantas that were experiemneted on by hoomans uvu. There's a facility that kept mantas that's submerged in water.

Also mantas are immortals I think. The spirits that I found there were scavengers and they were all above water. That means they came from a time after the apocalypse. That means the manta survived the apocalypse, were even submerged in water, that probably took A LONG LONG time, even survived through the extinction of humans. Even then, they still survived and caged up. I suspect their immortality is what lead the people to experiment on them.

Question is what caused the apocalypse. If it is the emergence of krills that brought darkness with them, then that manta keeping facility is the site where the apocalypse began. Literal chills.

Fell free to rip my theory to shreds xD

There was a third mural of what I suspect is a krill, that looked very very similar to the creature on the bottom of the second picture but more uhh.. scarier? More deformed? with teeth and shrimpy legs

The picture on the second showed that mantas were getting weirder.. more uh fins? I think to me it looks like the mantas were "evolving" the more you go down the levels until you see the thing at the bottom.

First picture it definitely looked like a lab to me. See how people were around the cages mantas, looking at it? Isn't that a movie perfect picture of a science lab? XD

They "experiment" is connected to the tower. See how the mantas go in from the left and there is no way out except to go up the tower.

[robust flare]

I think there's a creature here that is related to King. It looks like a concept art

[fading bear]

I really think you're onto something here. They seem to get bigger with more "fins" the further it goes down, so it would make sense if the big creature all the way down was a manta originally (or is related to them). They kind of remind me of the big cosmic manta in Vault. I think the manta's kept in the facility thing could all have been captured from nature. We see different kinds (/stages) of manta in Sanctuary (and Tom Zhao's concept art).

I think it's nice how they show that they can create more powerdiamonds with the bigger creatures (at least, that's that I think they mean). Maybe the biggest creature at the bottom was an experiment to make a more powerful source? Or it could have been a big boi they captured. Maybe it was even there in the water before the facility was built (it seems to be outside the building together with some fish)

[robust flare]

This season seems to be full of lore and I'm loving it

[fading bear]

I feel like the big creature in that second mural is depicted in a way that's very similar to the manta's, with the shape of it's flappy things in the front

[steep egret]

Exactly!

[robust flare]

Can't get a good pic on my phone, but reminds me of this

[steep egret]

That looks similar!

[fading bear]

You're right! It does resemble ||leviathan|| pretty closely! ||with the eyes, jaw, little thingies and shape||

[robust flare]

The mantas make me so sad

[steep egret]

There was a creature that chased around the fisherman spirit but the third mural, like the one from Arabax, showed something much MUCH bigger.

[robust flare]

I also glitched oob, but I will refrain from giving potential season spoilers

[steep egret]

Hehe I appreciate that

I could be toooootally wrong but it is so fun to think the "lab" is where the apocalypse began. Historical site that began our sky journey.

[tulip aspen]

what is that

[robust flare]

YESSS. If nothing else, it has to be directly related to doomsday...I mean. Seems to me like the creation of krill

[tulip aspen]

[frigid tinsel]

Wingdings

[steep egret]

Yep! That's my conclusion too!

[frigid tinsel]

Okay but to be honest, these new murals feel like the most clear out of all the murals we got so for

[robust flare]

This season gives me Journey vibes. It's so terrible and wonderful

[steep egret]

Jesus that's awesome

[frigid tinsel]

I didn’t make it, my friend did and I didn’t know what it says

[steep egret]

Is it from sky?

[amber night]

I’m getting ||ABZÛ|| vibes from this season

[south badger]

so were they using mantas as a source of energy or something? i’m just discovering all the new murals finally owo .. i wonder if we’ll free them at some point

[frigid tinsel]

No. I mean, I know now
#sky-memes message

[steep egret]

Who are we if not saviors xD

[ember elbow]

here. sorry for the potato quality

[steep egret]

What is wingdings?

[frigid tinsel]

a font that makes the text look like that

[robust flare]

Oh. I need to send another concept art. I'm sad again ☹️ I just realized something

[south badger]

sorry for awful picture but any idea on who is the dune sandworm looking creature in the beginning? lol

[frigid tinsel]

rage

[steep egret]

To me it looks like krill lol

[amber night]

It could be another species of krill

[frigid tinsel]

it looks like three krill stuck together

[south badger]

i don’t think it looks like krill at all … it’s kinda scarier lol

[midnight bane]

Maybe they were trying to weaponize Mantas?

[steep egret]

King krill?

[fading bear]

I'm not sure if I see this place as the only start of the apocalypse, but it could definitely be the place where krill were created (since Krill are also only in Wasteland and Eden). I think the pollution was a thing that slowly started happening everywhere and maybe the big diamond in Eden blew up.

But this new area seems to be where krill originated from and they definitely made diamonds there, so they contributed to the apocalypse in any case. Maybe this wasn't the only place where they mined those materials. It could have also been that right here they made a new kind of powerdiamond. From the Forrest temple door I thought diamonds were made from wood and lightcreatures, so maybe the rocks they mined here are more powerful (and dangerous). This rock could also be the same material as the red rocks in Eden but idk

[amber night]

There was a war in ancient times that destroy the world of Sky

[robust flare]

Creature that resembles it https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5cf9836e9d1c5200018df596/1582059679982-LA1B7UD6JYG99COWDM9A/194_Sky.jpg?format=1000w and...this...https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5cf9836e9d1c5200018df596/1582059532423-0ZYP1WZIWP05MBWNIJE0/157_Sky.jpg?format=1000w

[steep egret]

I'm a lore noob 👀

[south badger]

i don’t think weaponizing anything is happening the lore lessons seem to be more about new technology and pollution and greed/obliviousness to the pursuit of new technology

[steep egret]

Where is that creature from?

[fading bear]

I have seen pictures of a big creature, so that's probably what this depicts. I kinda like to think of this as a warning maybe for future visitors, since it's at the entrance too and it's a little exaggerated (?)

[south badger]

i wonder if since they aren’t red maybe they’re a refined version of the rocks and mantas and light can purify them or something to use

[willow prawn]

What do you mean? The small windows?

[robust flare]

Tomzhao.com, Tom Zhao was a concept artist for Sky. He is my hero. The creator of life. Mightier than the Megabird (not mightier than Jenova Chen, of course)

[south badger]

the refinery concept art just made me go

[steep egret]

Wait a minute.. what about the big long creature that smashes through building when ascend to uh..... Forgot the name, heaven?

Edit: after we die in eden

YESSS 👇

[fading bear]

I think the blue rocks we see underwater at those little mine carts could be the raw material and the red rocks in Eden could be a corrupted version? Maybe overcharged?

[robust flare]

OH. Hold on, there's another thing about creatures in cages. In valley art

[south badger]

ohh i like that, it makes some more sense

[frigid tinsel]

Yea, most of us agree that the red stones in Eden that actively suck out light is corrupted darkstone. The blue diamond shaped gems are either refined darkstone or power diamonds

[fading bear]

Big boie

[south badger]

very large

[robust flare]

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5cf9836e9d1c5200018df596/1582059407512-52YCH70NCANREHBW2BKD/133f_Sky.jpg?format=2500w Right before wasteland

[steep egret]

Wow amazeballs

[robust flare]

Sorry, can you remove this? I don't want to spoil anything for people. Or hide it anyway

[willow prawn]

Oh sorry I forgot to spoiler tag it

[steep egret]

Oh spoiler pic thingy?

[fading bear]

Wait wait wait! There is this one new creature, the thin eel-ish thingy in the new area? It looks a lot like a whale to me. It's even got the thing where it's a creature that neither gives nor takes light! Maybe they're related in some way

[robust flare]

No problem! I also found some writing near there tho. I think these pics do belong here, just hidden

[south badger]

it reminds me of an olm