lore-discussion-spoilers

[boreal nebula]

To be honest I once even saw the shape of a manta in the upper part of the emblem mimic alot the golden pattern on their head

Despite it have weird curve to recall that, ||there is a manta there now after you finish a certain quest ||

Many floating platform have it, even in Forest Temple for example. So maybe they hold enough energy on their own

But Idk if you are aware of a Vault theory...

...Maybe floor after floor we enter into the dreamlike pocket dimension of Lamed/Vault Elder

First the floor 2 is lit, unlike floor 1, then walls disappear and so on. Till we part away from elder and we return a real floor of the tower, maybe the last floor and from it we can exit into Eden

If you can, check the poster in Office next to the kitchen. The only thing readable are the title of each realms, that once were simply called Dawn, Day, Rain, Sunset, Dusk, Night

Nothing mind-blowing, until you reas a subtext associated with each
Birth, Childhood, Teenage, Adult, Middle Life, Aging (iirc)

This implies TGC has subtle themes with each realms, not only each seems a phase of the technological progress of the Sky Kingdom, each is tied to a stage of life. The last is night, growing old, which maybe implies the nature of Vault to be either a dream or remembering past thing (how for example floor too was lit)

Someone (idk recall who anymore) also point out that in each floor there is a link to each realm

1. Sand - Isle
2. Door - Prairie
3. Trees - Forest
4. Floating buildings - Valley
5. Skeletons - Wasteland
6. (Idk...) Cosmic Mantas carrying you up when all maybe is the hardest floor to picture)
7. Altars of the Elder like the one we see bigger in Eden

IMHO maybe a memory of that it should have been

[hushed steeple]

Mmmm prairie known for its amazing doors. They sure do open! Come tour today!

[rigid mural]

There's also a song for each level !

[hushed steeple]

I get angry at the music for changing my tone on instruments so they earned muting.

[boreal nebula]

I still have my doubt on Whales corrupted into Krills

Forest graveyard have the bones of a whale and I don't see quite the resemblance

The bones seems put there as if the whale delicately landed there and the ribbs are pointing upside for example

That being said , I'd wish next season to clarify the origins of Krills, if they were Whales

[boreal nebula]

Of course, without Tourism how could they sustain the 8 players elevator?

[tulip aspen]

of course it is lol

[tulip aspen]

im pretty sure it's just

1. Beginning-Isle
2. ???-Prairie
3. Trees-Forest
4. Architecture-Valley
5. Skeletons+giant.intimidating.creature-Wasteland

Floor 6 isn't necessarily supposed to represent vault metaphorically, but that the mantas return to help us finish

I don't see why they couldn't have added moon glyphs or something similar to vault sometime after launch smh, sometimes I feel vault is so unfinished as a level, especially narrative wise, yet there's nothing they'll do about it; we just need it to feel more like we're actually recapping the realms in each floor

Forest is another level that suffers from loose narrative
"uncover the ancient technology"
*giant golden thing that.. opens door*

"technology and it's consequence"
....what consequence? we see some obscure tech we arent even given an understanding of... open doors.
wow.

the only confidence we can possibly confidently gleam is the acid rain being from that technology, and that's it

extremely unfinished narrative, but they pawn it off as "oh yeah you have to leave it up to interpretationnnnn yeahhhhhh totallyyyyyy"

half of the game is left in concepts and redlit features they knew they couldn't finish before launch and they call that "lore"

its really frustrating sometimes TGC

update the base game please

[tulip aspen]

this is called "fish[a]head"

didn't someone tell me it was named "whale"?

[hushed steeple]

this one is named whale these parts are called fish

[tulip aspen]

oh okay thanks fam!!

definitely two different creatures lmao

the absolute color contrast of this game makes me feel in awe every time

[rigid mural]

The graphics and design are stunning indeed but I would be lying if I said I didn't find the story frustrating to piece together; one of the goals of the games is exploring the ancient world but we aren't given much to work with...

[tulip aspen]

if a mod named that emote im going to throw something

idk why im so worked up over it but of all things it's just crucial we keep the topics and characters we do know under names we all recognize, otherwise it's a tower of bable moment

[rigid mural]

Like half the lore I obtained by Ash dropping crumbs here and concept art...

[tulip aspen]

and they say it's done on purpose xD

please

call it like it is: an unfinished game

but ig we're happy enough with this so yay

[boreal nebula]

I think its incredible how they can develop a huge dynamo (giant golden thing) with just some flames as power source

Joke aside, yes, I agree that too much is left unclear, but from how I see it we just start a generator that yes, open 3 giant doors, but then keep spinning, keep generating energy. Per se it would seems pointless the little we see in Forest Temple

But I imagine that energy was somehow used or stored somehwere, maybe in those golden batteries and then shipped where necessary, like we can see in Sanc or in Shipwreck (tho I dont see how they could be used in Sanc, there seems to be nothing compatible with those batteries)

Only place we can see them again is the Broken Temple in GW, sadly in ruins and with little to no hint

Unless we consider what is the main resource in GW. There is none visible, but we usually agree that maybe in the past GW was full of water, and maybe clean. What if all that clean waters was sent to Eden with all those pipes, there had to be enough produced energy to move those water.

Weak theory I know, but IMHO also the Fabrics theory has little ingame clues to start with (without conceptART idk if it would be even conceivable the "manta grinder")

[compact shale]

Sky: Frustration of Doors

[rigid mural]

Ash did confirm the devs are on the same page, so we should believe the game's lore has integrity.

[boreal nebula]

Exactly a tower of babble, I agree

[boreal nebula]

Sky : OOBing through doors

[tulip aspen]

no vela

the story has integrity

the game doesn't talk about the story well enough though

that's like saying you're jk rowling (sorry only example i can think of) and know the entirety of how you want your story to be visualized, (she wrote the books backwards from the ending so that it all leads up to that point) but then only giving your audience the last three books, random single pages from the first 4, and then telling your audience

"oh, well you're supposed to guess what's going on! it's all up to your interpretation. oh but dont worry, i know the full story, just believe me haha. also, i might write an actual ending with the full story in it in a short story you have to pay extra money for... someday... maybe... WAFO :)"

[rigid mural]

Ok so here's the thing: if Sky is up to interpretation, then why did the devs bother replying to us on its lore ? I feel like the "up to interpretation" part is either:

• pessimistically, an excuse to leave plot holes and add seasons that may be hard to fit in the rest of the game
• optimistically, something to encourage us to make our own stories out of the source material but...

In both cases, it's counterproductive to make pieces of lore exclusive to discord, interviews and other stuff outside the base game, so I'm actually kind of puzzled at whether TGC wants a game that's more abstract like GRIS whose meaning we can interpret however we want (saying goodbye to the past ? growth ? unity ?), or if they instead want a classical exploration game where we explore a civilization through its ruins like Hollow Knight.
They're not doing too bad if they were shooting for both, I mean, it could be way worse, but at the same time, both goals may require different things for fans to be satisfied...

[boreal nebula]

I know we would like as much new concrete things, but I also agree on the devs to leave a little room for interpretation and/or mystery. One of the fascinting part of this game is that we in Lore analyze it in a way that to me is pRetty close to archeology

Thing is we miss a key to decipher many things, we dont have a Rosetta Stone or an egypthian obelisk to understamd the core of th language, so it there is any writing somwhere, is like we cannot even translate it.

I somtimes wish TGC was capable or release a good deal a breadcrums every months, because it s more the tedious slowness that kill my mood instead of the vagues lore

[rigid mural]

Ok I give you that on my wording, but I feel you're exagerrating a bit xD

So far, we know we stand in the ruins of a civilization whose downfall was caused by its technology, and that our goal is to bring every spirit we free from darkness to their temple elder so they can be sent to the sky. Ultimately, we sacrifice ourselves atop the mountain to free our brethren, and the cycle starts anew again.

This is a good story full of potential when it comes to making your own Aesop out of it. Even if you don't exactly know how the end unraveled for the ancestors, that's where your imagination is used.

However, the devs hinting there's actually a more precise canon is what's frustrating. So you're telling me stuff is up to my interpretation, but there is a canon ? Bummer, now I am stuck waiting for crumbs to know what the real story is...

[tulip aspen]

id still rather it be a story with major points to be understood (that were supposed to be part of the base game's themes smh) but the details are cloudy, such as anatomy, the Light in the Sky (megabird), the King's intentions, the apocalypse(s) etc

the war should be clearer, the characters should be present without being too open, the apocalypse should have a more obvious effect on the kingdom without us knowing what it was or why, darkness should be properly engrained as whatever theme they finally decide it is smh, and spirit ascension should actually make sense since it's kinda our goal

[keen shore]

I like having to figure out the lore ourselves, I just wish we were given more resources in game to do it instead of needing to rely on concept art so much

[rigid mural]

I don't personally care about finding true lore, my goal is to actually dissect the game to learn how it's made. Hence why I don't feel too concerned knowing which creature is a whale and which is a fish lol.

[tulip aspen]

no, im not exaggerating that much, that's what's sad

they have a story

the game is the dystopia of that story

the game doesn't actually detail anything about the story

they tell us the game is meant to not tell us anything because they want it to be 'up to interpretation'

but they still want us to trust them there's an actual story too, like you said

~so no, i dont think i exaggerated much at all, which is what sucks

[rigid mural]

Suit yourself. I've seen worse so I'm biased.

[tulip aspen]

and not in seasons, but in the actual game

absolutely fair, vela

[rigid mural]

To be fair, the seasons so far are free to play & their quests now available to moths. I think it would be fair to see them as add-ons rather than DLC or optional content.

[tulip aspen]

heyyyy this discussion/rant didn't come from my fish problem lololol, it came from teb and i talking about how bland vault is

im not that ridiculous

[keen shore]

After a while, the cosmetic collection that people normally fixate on past the first few runs gets really boring, so it’s nice to have something to focus on and figure out to keep me invested. although I do wish there was other options

It just frustrates me a little because most of the information we run out comes from outside the game. From early concept art, trailers, interview livestreams, so on. I don’t really want to dig through tons of files to find the truth, I want to be able to piece it together from what I know and can observe in the game itself, even if requires tons of research.

Even if it’s in seasons, which I’m mostly okay with because you can relive the quests, although I wouldn’t prefer it

[tulip aspen]

idk...

like you said, at least the content is free, but

[rigid mural]

The
The seasonal quests Jam
Where we build boats and save wind tunnels 😂

[keen shore]

Honestly the real reason why base game stuff isn’t changed a lot is probably because if, say, vault was fleshed out more, you know there would be an IMMEDIATE backlash of tons of people saying they liked the old version better… because it was easier to candle run, because they knew where all the spirits were, and just frustrating reasons like that. If they add new content via seasons it’s optional to experience instead of forced if that makes sense

[rigid mural]

Like the quests themselves hardly have lore, but their effects are visible; see enchantment. If anyone can relive this for free, then I feel it's fair to include them as game lore.

[tulip aspen]

arent connected at all to them getting money from us, which shows we'd still buy cosmetics from them even if it was absolutely unrelated to what they're developing atm, unless someone's one of those poor souls who thinks buying or not buying the pass will affect the quality of the actual season itself

[keen shore]

Another frustrating aspect is that the enchantment lights FEEL like they have lore but there’s no real way of figuring out what it is

[rigid mural]

Beta testers have been complaining for a while about TGC putting out stuff regardless of feedback, so... it's probably not something that bugs the company.

[tulip aspen]

if them getting money from us is seldom connected to the actual season content and just the cosmetics, my point is they should be able to sell cosmetics while actually updating the base game instead of giving us completely new maps and gimmicks

[keen shore]

Maybe on a smaller scale but if it was something as big as changing the entire vault layout to fit the lore better that would be an entirely different story. I know I personally would love to see an update like that, but imagining all the drama that would result from it just makes me shudder

It’s probably not the only reason but it could be a part of it

[compact shale]

Put out stuff like what?

[rigid mural]

Mod bait
What i mean is still in beta.

[tulip aspen]

i honestly dont see your point, like people would get mad that... there's more gameplay and story?

the only reason people would get really mad is if said new things mess with the pacing of their cr

[keen shore]

No, people would get mad that something they’re used to changed and they couldn’t go back to the original

[rigid mural]

That's always been an issue everywhere though...

[keen shore]

Yeah, it would just be amplified more with base game changes because it would be impossible to avoid is what I’m saying

Unfortunately a greater percentage of this games player base seems to care about cosmetics and candle running over lore

[tulip aspen]

the only main instances i can think of that are like this is the atmosphere change to isle and the prairie entrance

both were mysterious and shadowy giving off a relevant and powerful aesthetic of New but now they're just too bright, and kinda just there

that was an awful change

what change are you thinking of?

[tulip aspen]

exactly, there's always gonna be someone who's mad, so it doesnt matter lol

[keen shore]

I’m just talking about hypothetical changes. I’m not trying to imply that this community has this problem more than others based on evidence or anything, it’s everywhere. I’m not trying to justify not putting out more updates I’m just saying what would probably happen

[tulip aspen]

but as i said, if gameplay, scenery, and story doesnt actually impact crs, no one would be mad lol

idk maybe im wrong

i understand thinking about potential possibilities and downsides, ofc it's important, but yeah

[keen shore]

Yeah probably, it just might be difficult to work around the candle running in general

[tulip aspen]

i wouldnt say so

moon glyphs are just holograms, theyd just be 2d things you can activate via lighting separated lanterns in corners of each floor, and the images would give you slideshow presentations of that realm's lore
(maybe there's even little platforming sections going off towards the sides to get to said lanterns)

showing the second floor as brighter, the first floor as more sandy and foggy, the third floor with trees rising from the void in the background, the fourth floor with orange light making a sunset atmosphere, and the fifth with green lanterns floating in the distance, would not impact gameplay at all, while also dramatically changing the atmosphere

it's very possible

[keen shore]

I would love that, and it wouldn’t cause too many issues. I think the problem here is that you’re thinking of a lot smaller changes than I am - mine would be adding more residential buildings in places that would have them, more war fortifications in wasteland, stuff like that that give a more lived in vibe to the whole story and help us figure out lore. Maybe even a bigger city area in valley. Major landscape changes like that would be a struggle to work around traditional candle running lines.

The atmospheric changes though, I would totally enjoy. They still don’t give us a lot of lore though

[lyric isle]

The trouble with having this game as a fixation is constantly wanting lore and general stuff that never is I wish it were more fleshed-out, it has so much potential aaaaargh

[tulip aspen]

read my part about the moon glyphs, which were actually a potential part of what they wanted for the game according to concepts

and yes im only talking about vault

i could write up ideas for wasteland and valley that aren't too taxing on the developers as well

[frigid tinsel]

yall get it

players shouldn't have to come to out-of-game content like discord servers or youtube channels to figure out in-game content and lore. if you want to tell a story, you give out those details in the story itself, regardless of medium, not after the fact.

granted, i enjoy coming here to speculate about lore and such but it shouldn't be the only viable medium to do so.

[keen shore]

YEAH this is my major argument I just have a worry that it won’t happen because an overhaul on the level I’d want would disrupt basically the entire game. Maybe it’s just me overthinking though

[rigid mural]

Wholeheartedly agreed, that's what bugs me about games like this.

[tulip aspen]

i also say it wouldnt, that's like saying adding more battle fences and shields everywhere would cause skids to bump into them

unless you mean players complaining about more candles due to new areas, which is, and has always been, a rediculous complaint

[boreal nebula]

Idk why, but I would describe what you are saying as a "season of knowledge"

[lyric isle]

I wish it was a little more explicit at the very least

dreading my skykid headcanons collapsing due to Abyss, but the trouble was nothing prior to this because suddenly they can swim now without explanation and nothing else had prepared us

[keen shore]

Yeah mostly second one is what I meant! I should have been more clear

Words are hard sometimes

[tulip aspen]

i mean, honestly, ig.

as long as it's accessible to moths without going to some random new area, and feels like it's an addition to the base game.

@keen shore yeah i hate people who say that second thing, they have no right to complain, so im not factoring that in

just dont grab every single candle every single day s m h

[lyric isle]

I know it was intended to be a thing for ages, but you can see why me with such tightly-held ideas was so significantly jarred by the blinking when it first became a thing, right

it’s a super sudden change. it’s not easy to adjust these things for me, I’m so deep into headcanon for the lack of canon

[tulip aspen]

i dont see how it's retconning, sorry

[lyric isle]

retconning is the wrong word

more so “dramatic change” I think

[tulip aspen]

oh ig

[frigid tinsel]

if you gotta overhaul the game to flesh out the story better, then do so. how a lot of games stay relevant these days is by providing enough content to maintain and attract players, whether by having an expansive base-game, like Celeste, or constant add-ons, like Fortnite.

an overhaul would definitely upset players due to nostalgia, but the lull in content has led to player burnout who candle run the same routes over and over again. can't even rely on friends like TGC wants cos they burnout and leave too.

[lyric isle]

as much as it’d upset the nostalgia, I want extensions to places such as the Ark to elaborate on them

[keen shore]

Ironically, we can’t call it retconning solely because we weren’t given enough information beforehand to determine what it was… which is what this whole discussion is about!

I desperately want the overhaul, I’m just trying to think of possible reasons why it might not be feasible

[rigid mural]

Don't hurt yourself like this, none of us work at TGC anyway so why bother shooting our dreams down

[tulip aspen]

as i said, there is none (little reason)
TGC just doesnt care lol

[rigid mural]

I think a dramatic overhaul of the way the story is told would actually make some veterans come back to revisit the game.

[tulip aspen]

i know you're watching asher, consider this the new #live-feedback and #wishlist-and-ideas-archived

[lyric isle]

it’s hurtful to be part of an experience you don’t want to let go of, but feel sad at the lack of anything for

[rigid mural]

Ash being online doesn't mean they're looking at us I'm afraid.

[hushed steeple]

Honestly a lot of it was just lorechat assuming facts about skykids.

[tulip aspen]

im joking lmao, also ever since you and i started stirring things up, particularly the lore bible scandal, the devs have been referencing lorechat quite a bit more

fruity and i do notice

they are watching, from time to time

[frigid tinsel]

tbf it is their discord server

[rigid mural]

I'd rather not be remembered for that tbh, I was in a bad mood and even if I didn't mean to, my words kinda sent this chat in a panic.

[tulip aspen]

👀 👀 👀 👀 👀
||btw would you like to read my document about skykid anatomy it has all the relevant theor-||

[tulip aspen]

i mean you came up with the idea, but i ranted about it a loooooot

like, every single day for weeks because i wanted people to agree it was important

[rigid mural]

While part of the charm of the game is that it's mostly silent, it would be cool to see spirits doing stuff when idle. Thinking about questgivers.
Almost had that with flight guide being sat at their table before meeting the skykid.

[compact shale]

Skykid anatomy isn't important enough to be common knowledge among devs. Ash didn't know what we were made of

[hushed steeple]

Lorechat1: “skykids can’t eat”
Lorechat2: “but 👵”

[tulip aspen]

at the same time it's obvious tho, since we all come from the sky, but yes, that wouldnt reasonably be in the lore bible lolol

[compact shale]

It might be in the bible, but just optional reading

Onion

[tulip aspen]

me launching into a 42 page essay about the possibility about both sides but why my side is right, killing chat for 3 days, 6 hours, and 32 seconds

[hushed steeple]

I could have included the trumpcard: 🍵

[frigid tinsel]

lorebibble

[rigid mural]

YOU QUESTION THE WORD OF THE MIGHTY JIMMY ???

[tulip aspen]

who is Jimmy, time to krill an imposter

[rigid mural]

Jam didn't get the reference

[compact shale]

Even if I like the idea of us eating I wouldn't be willing to make art about it

The only orifices we have are our eyes and chest hole, and both are pretty gory places to insert food

[hushed steeple]

So do ancestors though

Unless they randomly decide more of them get noses

[rigid mural]

I feel like sky kids would burn food you give them to gather light/wax anyway

[hushed steeple]

Thats still eating

they just like it well done

[tulip aspen]

thats... kinda canon already

ty granny

[rigid mural]

You: "Here, have a candy !"
Skykid:
Skykid: 🕯️

[compact shale]

I think if we inserted food into ourselves, the light inside us would incinerate it instantly

[hushed steeple]

Yes good. Eating is canon. The result of eating is not.

[keen shore]

Speculating about lore for this game is fun but also often depressing since it feels like none of it really matters in the end. We could make the most complex theory and then a week later it gets destroyed by a tiny piece of evidence we were just never given. I do want to find it out because cmon, you can’t just tell me something has hidden and coherent lore and not expect me to try and find it, it can just be really draining sometimes.

[rigid mural]

Not if you are a creative. Cowards seek the exact lore, true skychads aren't afraid of making their AU

/j

[hushed steeple]

Thats true. Though the long ongoing popular theories, many have stayed consistent through new info.

Im about to have one of my beloved theories smashed to pieces. I know.

[keen shore]

I mean it’s nice having an AU I just also want to know the truth as well yknow?

[tulip aspen]

thats kinda like real life tho

science, history, discovery, it's all depressing, we know so little about it, and the endeavor against that is what makes that, and this, beautiful

[frigid tinsel]

what happens if you make an AU and it turns out to be canon? is it still an AU? /hj

[rigid mural]

That's a Prophecy

[tulip aspen]

yeah, i don't expect any of my popular theories to suddenly keel over lol, they're good cos they make sense

[keen shore]

The whole skykid anatomy situation is ESPECIALLY frustrating because it seemed to be the only possibility based on the evidence we had and then it got destroyed by a bubble animation.

And yeah, finding out the truth irl is hard as well, but at least we have the resources to do it and the knowledge that an explanation even exists

[hushed steeple]

My AU is basically whatever I think is canon, except then add some mountain isle and animal elders, and change some guides and cosmetics to be less similar......re add the word yeti........add tables to vault, change some character models....hide some new oobs....ect ect

[tulip aspen]

my anatomy research is fine, nothing has changed tho-

[rigid mural]

I'll be real with you, I don't really care about anatomy because I don't really think the devs themselves went that deep on that aspect 😅

[tulip aspen]

kami, they're not biological

[compact shale]

Lorechat: Look at us, just some non-biological clay-and-light kids flappin around!
Abyss: Blurble?
Lorechat: EEAAAAAAAAGHHHHHHHH

[lyric isle]

yeah pretty much

[hushed steeple]

Don’t gotta be to be alive

[rigid mural]

I do like the golem theory tho

[keen shore]

I don’t care as deeply about anatomy as I do just the history of the world in general, but it sets a precedent that implies something like this is going to happen again…

[sharp lichen]

WHATS A BLURBLE WHATS GOING ON

[frigid tinsel]

i mean, i'd rather have season of abyss come out before i totally dump my skykid anatomy theory but i know it's gonna take a hit

(why do i care about anatomy? i have a special interest in anatomy, my brain goes "how does this being function" with every fictional entity and tries to figure it out before throwing up my hands and going ✨ magic ✨)

[rigid mural]

Imagine sky kids made of different types of clay or material tho

[tulip aspen]

my light theory is important because it doesnt just make skids feel more concrete, it makes ancestors and what orbit it feel more concrete too

it's extremely important because everything ties together

[compact shale]

WATCH THE NEW TRAILERS

[sharp lichen]

OH I GET IT. What do Skykids exhale? Or could it just be a chemical reaction?

[tulip aspen]

people see bubbles and instantly think skids are biological la sigh

[hushed steeple]

But yeah I agree theres not really an answer to skykid anatomy since they are heaven starbabies and the devs prolly didn’t think that far. I care more about why they are than what they are made of. I do think they can do normal people stuff, because its valuable to be able to do normal people stuff as an expressive avatar.

[sharp lichen]

Don’t many substances bubble when they come in contact with water?

[tulip aspen]

my theory has why they are there too, like i said, we have to observe what they are to assume why they are

[rigid mural]

From Hollow Knight realistic adventure to GRIS abstract worlds representing emotions, I place Sky closer to GRIS while you lean more towards Hollow Knight it seems. It is important to you but maybe not to other folks here...

[frigid tinsel]

yea, they don't gotta have lungs, even organic lungs, in order to make air bubbles. you can still need oxygen and not be an organic being (i.e. flame).

[hushed steeple]

Well why they are is pretty much answered in intro.

If they run outta air in shallow water we will know anywho. That ll be the end of that.

[tulip aspen]

the prevailing theory rn seems to be that the flame is boiling the water around it, which i can concur with

idk what Salem and kamis positions even are tbh

[keen shore]

Problem solved guys. We are made of pure sodium /j

[frigid tinsel]

maybe that's how Eden imploded, a lot of precursor skykids got wet.

[keen shore]

Mine is the flame boiling water theory, I thought of it and it makes the most sense to me so I’m sticking with it. Plus the implication that we can be used as cooking pots just makes it much better than any other theory imo

[tulip aspen]

omg salem

[hushed steeple]

I think they breath cause it begins looking like the most intended solution. But If they don’t run out in shallow water I can cross that off.

[compact shale]

TRUST ME IT MAKES SENSE IN CONTEXT

[frigid tinsel]

i mean, i'm starting to think they might have mouths and breathe conventionally to vent oxygen for their flame to burn. how else do they play wind instruments? they hold horns and panpipes near what would be a mouth

[keen shore]

“IM SUPPOSED TO TAKE YOU TO THE AFTERLIFE TO BE REBORN! STOP USING ME TO MAKE YOURSELF RICE!”

[tulip aspen]

breath via... what tho, if you say they arent biological?

[keen shore]

This combined with the boiling water theory, I think they’re both true

[compact shale]

We play every wind instrument with our honk like a kazoo and it works out for us

[hushed steeple]

Biological meaning created biologically? Nah. Biological meaning capable of breathing, sleeping, eating, well thats not the definition of biological, but yep.

[tulip aspen]

so you think they may have organs?

👀 👀 👀

[frigid tinsel]

biological in that they're made of cells and primordial soup materials.
i don't think skykids are biological.

[hushed steeple]

I think they can do organic stuff without organs.

[keen shore]

sticks straw through eye mmm… tasty soup

[frigid tinsel]

organic ≠ have organs

[tulip aspen]

ig 👀

[keen shore]

We’re just a really big plant cell and that’s why:

We need light to survive
We have a really thick outer shells
We have no organs

MYSTERY SOLVED

[hushed steeple]

The light can intake air, the light can incinerate their food, the light can chill out while they nap. No organs required.

[frigid tinsel]

i hate how this works.

skykids photosynthesize

[sharp lichen]

PINEAPPLES

[compact shale]

I think this is how skykid anatomy works

[hushed steeple]

This is why theres no light plant you are the light plant

[tulip aspen]

its true that me being anti-mouth is a personal bias, so yeah i could see your point being possibly kami

maybe after i stop being so bias and defensive in a few minutes i should prolly add these new possible ideas to my doc ig lol

[tulip aspen]

WATAWH

[hushed steeple]

Anti fingers and other digits is my personal bias. but totally backed up by official art

[frigid tinsel]

like breathing via a mouth would serve more of a functional purpose, as though robots or golems, rather than "composed of a billion cells they need to feed" biological

[tulip aspen]

you're anti fingers but pro mouth /j

[frigid tinsel]

lore chat no context

[rigid mural]

I'd gladly help grandma cook rice by doing nothing but being warm, can't relate.

I think sky kids have fingers

[keen shore]

The issue occurs when they refuse to accept your help and instead just use you as a rice cooking device while cackling to themselves the entire time. How do you even explain that to God?

[tulip aspen]

i wholeheartedly love it all

[rigid mural]

I don't believe in god. If he exists, he should fear me.

[keen shore]

I’m sorry but we have to have fingers to play string instruments

[hushed steeple]

Megabird saw ms blooms fingers and said “never again”

[frigid tinsel]

skykids prob have fingers that just don't render. i do think it's unfair ancestor spirits have visible fingers tho

[hushed steeple]

Thats the thing. Some spirits have mitts too. And in art, elders and spirits are depicted with fingers, skykids are not unless its samekh they also team mitts

[rigid mural]

Sky kids envying ancestors fingers,,,

[compact shale]

I mean
Where are our mouths
Moo boy (not a lorechat regular) found these tiny ear-like protrusions and kie found these nose-like protrusions on our model but they don't have the orifices needed to function
But no mouth
And that is why i dont believe in mouth the end

[pastel brook]

I've heard a rumour that mods don't know what sneep snorp is because they're always here

[tulip aspen]

that moment when megabird remembers you said this in lore chat and the time you try to ascend during an eden run you just dont turn golden

[frigid tinsel]

I mean, what

[keen shore]

Fingers are like genders in the sky world. Only certain people are allowed to have them

[frigid tinsel]

again, probable that they don't just render or the graphic design director said not to bother.

[rigid mural]

Megan fears me like pigeons run from you when you pass by

[tulip aspen]

@frigid tinsel @kami
in the end, it's a mobile game

i hate the mouth theory but kami and salem are right, it is possible, and i cant get mad at it cos it doesnt fight against the light anatomy theory really at all

[keen shore]

MEGAN?

[rigid mural]

[compact shale]

Guess not

But we dont have mouths in concept art afaik either so

😶

[quick terrace]

I’m never gonna see anyone named Megan the same way again

[keen shore]

Every time I consider the thought that skykids might have organs my mind violently rejects it. I just cannot and do not want to see it. …and the implication that mega birds real name is just Megan

[compact shale]

The concept of not wanting them to be too human-like is something I don't understand but we do relate to

[tulip aspen]

yeah I'm pro fingers and anti mouth

[frigid tinsel]

skykids call Megabird Megan with they want to disrespect them without upsetting the theists

[tulip aspen]

physically, I'm not grossed out by it per se, but because they are magic stardust and energy with a shell made of dirt they crashed into, i just can't accept them being humanlike

the concept art even actively expresses that skids cant be allowed to be too human, in writing even

[keen shore]

It’s not really about them being too human for me. It’s the fact that combined with what we know so far, them having organs means they just have random human organs floating around in the glowing goop of their body… and that’s what I don’t like

[compact shale]

Yeah that sounds really gross

[frigid tinsel]

i just like the not-human factor.
voidpunk represent

[hushed steeple]

Should I find the skykid with cute anime face again?

[tulip aspen]

I'm prolly the only religious person in this chat and it shows sometimes (not in bad ways ofc)

[lyric isle]

I feel like this too

the blinking spooked me for similar reasons

[hushed steeple]

I mean if they had organs we would peolly have seen em in eden and this game would not be E+

[frigid tinsel]

if you want to show gore in media marketed towards kids, you just don't render it well and make sure it's another color. Infinity Train did it

granted, skykids don't break open when dying in Eden

[compact shale]

I wonder why TGC wanted to make a rated-G game

Like Sky seems more like a Teen-rated game but... I feel like there's some stuff they can't tell because rating

[hushed steeple]

Too late I found it

[frigid tinsel]

ew

[hushed steeple]

I think shes adorable

[frigid tinsel]

they are kinda cute but just hhhh

[hushed steeple]

My favorites are the ones wearing proto prophecy masks. One with the eyes closes, white lashes, and a kid at the end with red eyes looking at the group.

[lyric isle]

"canon skykids with human faces can't hurt you, they're not real"
this:

[tulip aspen]

oh yeah def

said concept art i was referencing is the reason why they walked away from.... that

[tulip aspen]

yeahhh

i miss when skids and elders looked alien

[frigid tinsel]

you don't gotta have human features to be cute

[boreal nebula]

Omg, i just watched the first minute and I see the resemblace with what Isle used to be in Sky LA version

[frigid tinsel]

what if the new seasonal area is LA Isle but drowned?

[boreal nebula]

Mmm, that could be interesting, tho bubbles can come out even out of something not alive (a flame... in a sense, is alive till it dies out) like when move feets and hands in water IRL and we rupture a littke bit the water generating a movement

@frigid tinsel as far as I remember we dont release any bubble when we are under Valley Ice Rink so I guess we "blow" horn or flute like that just because me mimic the ancestors who gifted us the imaginary object

We learn from them emotion and somehow pass us all they know about the original sound of that instrument. Then we recreate with our innerlight... like our cape is made of light I guess.. but if we lose the innerlight (for rain or krills etc.) I think the instrument disappear as well as our cosmetics (mask, hair & fancy pants)

[compact shale]

I think we honk into the wind instrument and it bounces off the instrument walls or something and boom windy flutey noisea

[boreal nebula]

Devs are probably reusing some 3D model. After a long time I realized that there is a part in Sunny Forest which resemble a bit a piece from Sky LA

In LA the part where we pass from Brook to Broken Bridge was different. It was a tunnel which looked like a pipe [pretty much like thd tunnel with murlas depicting Forest as the place where boat arrive now but bigger with a lower arch]
I think I see that arch when passing from Sunny Forest back to Brook [pretty regular arch, like a big pipe, but a lower arch]

So maybe they model that new season out of that LA Isle shores

[hushed steeple]

LA isle was usually a mountain. Not that there was not sandy parts but.....an underwater mountain would stand a bit

[compact plaza]

Hi, (I have collected all spirits) ... If I relive some spirits, after the cutscene, I ring a bell. What is that about?

Also, a friend told me that if you collect these bells, you can earn "gifts". Can you explain? (I was told to ask here.)

[boreal nebula]

A explaination why we are low rendered (mouthless, nose without holes, bumps for ears) could be that Megan is myopic 🤓

Much like IRL we cannot see ants mouth and eyes pretty wellm just approximations

[tulip aspen]

myo what

[frigid tinsel]

Those specific spirits were from the Season of Belonging. The quests were to reunite the family for dinner and that’s why you ring the bell, to make them aware that it’s almost time for dinner

[compact plaza]

Okay, thanks, but also what about collecting bells for gifts? Is that a thing? Perhaps a misunderstanding?

My friend mentioned that sometimes he got gifts and sometimes he didn't. I am suspecting that he probably found a spirit that he had missed and that is why he thought he got a gift.

[boreal nebula]

If by bell you mean the small squared and golden bell, then those are spirits that came with Season of Belongings

I wasn't there at the time, but the final cutscene of that season used to be all the member of the family in Sunny Forest table inside the tree eating Dinner (I think cutscene was in night lightings)

Now there an event every 2 hours where Granny's ring a bell and offer free wax to players. I think it's a sort of functionally to make us less CR to relax and a wholesome easter egg of that season

Like the fact that Belongings Grandma was the Guide of this Winter Event, gifting us warm clothes

[compact plaza]

The Baker lady is an awesome Easter egg!

[boreal nebula]

The thing about a gift... make me think about Travelling Spirits. If one of those belongings is sorted out to arrive in the weekend you can buy capes/masks/instuments from them

[jaunty tapir]

In general though, the only thing you could receive when reliving spirits are the emotes, if you don't have them yet.

[compact plaza]

Okay cool. TYSM!

[boreal nebula]

well I just said I saw a resemblance from those frames that teaser show, no idea who the map will unravel 😅

[compact plaza]

Thanks, everyone! Have a good day/night! ✌️

[boreal nebula]

@compact plazacan I ask you what the Kanji/Hanzi in your pfp means?

[compact plaza]

Absolutely! It's kanji for "drunk". XD (It was inspired by Jackie Chan's movie Drunken Master. I'm not sure if it's the same character in Hanzi.

[boreal nebula]

Thanks. I could get only the idea it was about sake, given the left side part

[compact plaza]

Suiken = drunken boxing

[boreal nebula]

酔 Japanese
醉 Chinese

[steel panther]

😂

[steel panther]

[compact shale]

soup

[sacred sorrel]

I found this, don't know if it has already been shared of not, but it's really interesting and explain a lot on the creation of the Realms and their Creatures. it's from Tom Zhao.

[keen shore]

Yeah! That’s my personal main source for figuring out timeline stuff, although a lot of theories in here deviate from it a bit. I wonder if we could ever try to prove parts of it right/wrong…

[tulip aspen]

if im being honest ive never been able to understand whats going on in that group of pixels ever

[frigid tinsel]

i should type a transcript someday tbh, the quality is so bad

[hushed steeple]

I think a lot of the themes from the concept timeline stay, like darkstone, and skykids being a new race to reconnect life.....

Some things like elders turned into elders by stones (instead of elemental stones as we have now) and a silly stupid war of ancestors and light creatures (instead of light creatures fighting with one side of ancestors) im happy isnt in anymore

[tulip aspen]

wait you're telling me you guys can actually read that?

[hushed steeple]

Heres a non blurry link https://preview.redd.it/30j8jhecfae61.jpg?auto=webp&s=640347c793b27fefca6be29d349ffabbd233e1b8

[sacred sorrel]

Just click on "open original". But I'm my pc and I can read it just fine.

[keen shore]

The only reason I can read it is because my device allows me to zoom in. I have no idea how it would be legible otherwise it’s just so SMALL

[sacred sorrel]

Dark matter begins to corrup the prince and Ancestors... sounds like Lords of the ring

[hushed steeple]

I have a clear version, but posting it here makes it too blurry to see I gotta stick to links

Dark corrupting stuff sounds like most fictional medias ever made

[tulip aspen]

oh my god youre amazing it as usual

[compact shale]

Is the whole timeline still true?

[sacred sorrel]

We'll never know but it answer many questions in my opinion, at least who are sky kids.

[hushed steeple]

Not at all!

Elders are now demi gods instead of ancestors turned elders, and imo, Ancestors had a cival war and war with dark creatures rather than fighting light creatures. (I think light creatures fought with them if turtle scull has anything to say about it)

Other parts could still fit nicely with no contradiction. Like why skykids arrived or how prince used darkstone.

[compact shale]

I guess it does answer why we're here.

[keen shore]

Out of curiosity, can I get proof for the first half? I never picked up on that and I might have missed it. Some parts about the civil war idea still bother me but I picked up on it as a possibility

And honestly, most of the parts about the civil war bothering me may just be because I am too much of a nerd and am overthinking it, especially the part with the spears…

[tulip aspen]

nope, and i was just about to go over what i believe still is relevant

The One/Megabird still exists and is wholly relevant, via the Light that we see in Orbit

all Beings of Light in the world came from the Light, they belong to it, and they will always inevitably return

however, i don't think The One intends to "gain intelligence and experiences" through the beings that descend down into the world

for me it seems like the lifeblood of the light that flows in and out of the corners of the universe are the light creatures, however, ancestors, were the anomaly, which i why i believe they are an accident at this point in the game's story
either an accident, or a mistake that the Light let happen, and couldn't stop

skykids are just the rescuers, the ones who clean up that mistake

[compact shale]

"Gathering experience before returning to the Megabird"

How does that contradict The One's intentions?

[hushed steeple]

Honestly it was part of the lore doc, so while its from a dev quote, Its from the translated Japanese stream. I still trust it due to elders always being depicted as themselves, even in prophecy mural.

[sacred sorrel]

I just wish they made the game about all that storyline, there is so much more to this than just cosmetics. 🤷‍♀️

[hushed steeple]

I think the ancestors where set for megabird as a people and light gathering source! An accident? I don’t like that! They have a part in the cycle. Hence why mega granted prince flame, possibly to lead them.

[keen shore]

Ancestors are the least favorite child in the family /j

[hushed steeple]

I think the war with light creatures is stupid. Its environmental enough, I don’t need “oh bad mean ansestors jabbing poor critters” jabbed down your throat. I like cool big king as antagonist.

Plus its really more unique how we see light creatures and ancestors interacted current game. Pulling boats, riding them in races, fighting alongside them. potential juicing but we don’t know that yet

[compact shale]

Mantahorse ftw

[tulip aspen]

the second thing, is the creatures

i really like how in this concept of the story, the creatures were sort of like the spirit beings in Avatar TLA and TLo Korra, ancient beings from another plane that live in harmony but are disturbed by the culling of the balance of nature via technology

HOWEVER, creatures have been given a more stagnant and set anatomy past launch

while it'd be so damn cool to see mantas become shrieking demon monsters that fly at you and rip out your eyes if you dare to activate a power diamond, darkness has been given a more set definition than it did before, and is moreso a corruption, corrupting the creatures and ancestors in a pollution way and less of a magic way

darkness is just there theory:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lhsvq0fS9-i2do0pXwoZCmci_42yeVtQOry8jNTpFdM/edit?usp=drivesdk

[tulip aspen]

that line along with this image supports the theory that ancestors were intentionally sent by the One and migrated to Eden every time to die after living full lives

i dont support the theory that the migration to Eden was always necessary, nor do i... want to support the idea ancestors were sent for the purpose of collecting info and experiences (but it's becoming more tangible ill admit)

whoops didnt send the image rip

there lol that image

[compact shale]

Hm. This is all concept, however. We can't tell what's still true...

what was rebirth for? Was there something "The One" still sought from the ancestors?

[tulip aspen]

...yeah more info bruv

see that's what i mean tho i dont want to believe they had to be constantly rebirthed, which is why i dont want to believe they were sent on purpose at all in the first place

[tulip aspen]

yeah i prefer the civil war too, and the fact that we know that light creatures dont canonically transform into Korra season 2 anymore shows the creature war cant have been the case anymore

[hushed steeple]

This timeline is why I think ancestors also had a rebirth cycle. Not that they are made or encouraged to die. But that they return to orbit WHEN they die.

Im up for light creatures with horns though

[compact shale]

Lorechat is angsty enough, we don't need to add glorifying death to the mix

[tulip aspen]

Not that...they are encouraged to die.
its honestly not that angsty, and i think its quite tangible, but i still dont like the idea megabird wanted civilization on a world

we are supposed to belong to the Sky.

im definitely going to have to add the "swimming in the Light forever" religion vs the "we live to learn things for the One" religion into my doc about the Sky, especially as the latter is becoming more tangible to me

...first i have to find better names for them

what should i call yours @hushed steeple

[hushed steeple]

Life cycle idea? I think Mega wanted and was fine with civilization so long as it was light connected.

Yeah, “light filled civilization” sounds like a good description.

[keen shore]

Yeah good point. What’s the point of light creatures incl. people having lives at all? Why don’t they just stay in the sky forever? I can sort of see civilization and people being created as a way to find out about the universe but it seems like a very narrow way to do it, if that makes sense. If you want to know about the whole universe why would you just limit your perception to one planet?

It’s weird thinking of mega bird as something that makes calculated decisions rather than an instinctual being honestly but the intro seems to imply it…

[hushed steeple]

Its like the biblical ideas of God we have now I guess. Plus reincarnation. To have a people you know pick you or stay faithful or sometnnhn

They didnt clearly :/

[compact shale]

Badly made Latin names

Aeterluxus (with the Light forever religion)

Created by combining the words "aeterna" "lux" "lacus" which are Latin for "eternal" "light" and "lake" respectively

Vidocere Deus (living to learn things for The One)

Created from "vivamus" "docere" "deus" which are latin for "live" "teach" "God" respectively, with the idea of living to teach God

[hushed steeple]

Learning things....for Prince? I would think him learning things to lead the people would be part of his life too...

[tulip aspen]

yeah exactly that's another important thing, id like to think I'm very confident the Sky is an instinctual thing rather than a calculating one

the moment something in a story becomes calculating they become a character, and characters are so much more boring and less mysterious than just a mere presence/essence

[keen shore]

If you want to do full on Latin phrases here are my translations. I’m just modifying the pronouns, tenses, and in one part the mood a bit so they make sense more

Vivitis discere - we live to learn
I cut the god part out of here because Latin is a gendered language. Megabird is neither male nor female. So… we’ll just avoid that part lol

The other one, aeterna lux, is correct

[keen shore]

YEAH it’s weird to reconcile the idea of Megabird being Everythinf and also being capable of thinking and making complex decisions if that makes sense

[tulip aspen]

i dont wanna use latin/codenames, im trying to coin terms for important parts of lore for us all to use so that, again, we don't have Tower of Babel moments

[compact shale]

And this is why lorechat isn't for everyone. The mind dynamite just creates itself.

[keen shore]

Okay fair, it’s just when people coin terms they usually turn to Latin for roots and stuff…
Hmmm, maybe The Eternal Religion vs the Cycle of Learning Religion? Not too short but simple

[tulip aspen]

exactly

imo the only character in any story ive ever seen do that well was the Gravemind from Halo

even classic examples of hiveminds have it's flaws; like the Borg from startrek

it's starts not being cool the moment they have a "Borg Queen"

personifying the megabird is so....yeah

[compact shale]

Yay! Thank you so much! :D

[frigid tinsel]

Why are we talking Latin in lorechat?

[keen shore]

Because I’m a nerd. In my defense fruity started it

[tulip aspen]

id never get it but at the same time i love when people do it to death

[compact shale]

yes. arrest me if it's necessary.

[frigid tinsel]

Y’all might summon something, careful

[keen shore]

They already have. That’s why I’m here

[tulip aspen]

the lOrE gOd comes from the depths of Eden with their tumblr army to dox and cancel us all for not agreeing with their lore doc

||all my homies hate lore doc||

[compact shale]

which one

[tulip aspen]

bru i cant say their nameeee

[keen shore]

What is this accursed Lore Doc people keep mentioning… I am imagining a Google document with the phrase “my idea right, your idea wrong” written in 64pt comic sans

If all else fails go the boring mathmetician route and call them X Religion and Y Religion

[compact shale]

the mathematician's answer is yes

[tulip aspen]

its where this is from

nasty

[hushed steeple]

That one has stuff we ain’t ever getting back yo.

Its just dev quotes calm your britches

[hoary violet]

do y’all think skykids get skykid acne where their molten core bubbles up to their thin clay “skin?”

[compact shale]

I guess it could get out of control, but I imagine more of a small explosion... not long-lasting acne

Imagine 🤯 but smaller and on your entire body

[keen shore]

I HOPE SO! I want to draw an oc with that now

[hushed steeple]

Anywho, when the mythical art book comes along I hope it will be a worthy replacement.

[compact shale]

We only need one member to sacrifice their savings.

[hoary violet]

that sounds like eczema

[frigid tinsel]

how thin is the clay shell? you got me wondering

[hushed steeple]

The truth is skylore does not matter to sky. But the concept art and some dev quotes give juiuust not enough barely enough to run away and make your own sky with.

[hoary violet]

thin enough to be able to pull their heart out quickly to access the candles
my headcanons are a dumpster fire

[keen shore]

Who volunteers to be dissected? I did it last time so it can’t be my turn again

[tulip aspen]

omg.... that wreck it ralph meme where the girl is playing on her phone and something on the screen pops....

but it's their skid in sky 👀

[compact shale]

Whoops I didn't mean that. I mean your light literally goes out of control and explodes out of your eyes and chest. Then you become a beacon of arson for a few minutes.

[hoary violet]

so that’s how winged light is made…

[frigid tinsel]

hmm, but isn't the light in their chest a hole? it's more obvious when they're delit

[tulip aspen]

neh lol

[hushed steeple]

uh......:ok guys you have fun with this conversation im gonna...

[hoary violet]

ok I gotta go bye dudes I hope you appreciate my contribution

[keen shore]

I paid closer attention in Eden last time and realized you literally just rip your winged light out of your chest to give it to the statues… so also we can do that. Which I’m not really sure how to feel about

[tulip aspen]

it was appreciated (and terrifying)

[hoary violet]

congrats, skimples are now a thing

[frigid tinsel]

oh oh oh i took a video of that

[tulip aspen]

not... rip out, but it comes out of you, yes?

[compact shale]

Devs: we literally reach our heart out, isn't that great (not a real dev quote, but close)

Lorechat: Ummm not exactly?

[keen shore]

It comes out of your chest when you get krilled, but when you give it up freely… yeah you just stick your hand in there and rip it out like you would with your candle

[frigid tinsel]

It looks like it hurts pulling winged light out

[keen shore]

It’s hard to get a video of in general because the hunched over posture with the cape curled around your chest kind of covers it, but yeah you can see it in this video. Someone mentioned this earlier so I’ll bring it up again; you also cover your chest… gem? hole? with your hands the entire journey through Eden which is why you’re hunched over in the first place

[compact shale]

Makes sense. The chest is one of our vulnerable points and we wanna save the winged light for the statues.

[frigid tinsel]

honestly that's the part i dislike about Eden – it looks like the skykid is in pain and it hurts to see. but it is interesting in regards to their anatomy.

as Fruity said the hunching over in Eden is probably to protect the (winged) light inside them. I wonder if darkness can go in them via the hole and that's why they're hunched over too?

[compact shale]

I mean, that's how darkness affects them in the first place. It gets into their hole, and then you gradually start dying.

[keen shore]

It’s a bit interesting how we have to cover our chest and not our eyes though… maybe that’s what the mask is for?

I had the same thought with darkness. Solid flakes of it are just getting whipped around by the wind constantly so better to be safe I guess… although it does lead to the cursed realization that you have a hole in your shirt around it for some reason??? Maybe it has to be exposed to air or something…

Going through Eden made me think and I came up with a NEW cursed skykid anatomy theory, which seems to be my specialty at this point. Or maybe I just got cursed with thinking of them

[compact shale]

Well, now we know why we have eyelids in our mask! :D

And I think the hole in our shirt is because we have to take out our candle so often that covering it would be an infuriating inconveinence for us.

[tulip aspen]

your hand doesnt go inside urself

id personally want to say it's more like youre summoning it

[tulip aspen]

oh wow okay maybe im wrong xD 😅 😶

[keen shore]

It’s really hard to see because between the Eden pose and the fact that the cape sometimes moves in idle animations that specific area is often covered. Probably just summon it because I don’t know if your hand can fit in there, but it still definitely hurts

[frigid tinsel]

are they only affected by darkness entering the hole or is it their most sensitive spot? see, if you step on a large enough chunk of corrupted darkstone, your light instantly goes out. corrupted darkstone also draws light from skykids at a distance, polluted water draws light out wherever they stand.

darkness in general seems to operate by capturing, stealing, and holding light. since skykids' cosmestics are likely also made of light, it would make sense for them to lose light even without direct contact via the hole in their chest. however, since the hole in their chest leads to their heart flame and innermost selves, that would make the hole the most sensitive to darkness

[compact shale]

Sacrifice does hurt, doesn't it?

I think it's the latter, darkness does have an absorption radius but our chest hole is most sensitive because it directly exposes our light

[frigid tinsel]

as for whether skykids can reach into their hole or not, i don't think so. it seems too small. but given skykids can manipulate light to some degree (i.e. glittery effects with emotes), it would make sense that they could manipulate the light within themselves, separate specific parts of it like winged light, and draw it out of themselves.

so they do summon it from themselves. reaching for their chest, the hand movements, is just the means to summon it

[compact shale]

Pull the candle out the way Raiden Shogun pulls sword out of- Okay just kidding obviously not

[regal phoenix]

do skids feel pain

[frigid tinsel]

apparently. i think only if afflicted by darkness and losing light. i hate the thought of it tho.

[keen shore]

So I was thinking about how the winged light we collected looks like the light inside of us, or at least how I would imagine it to look, and also how we don’t seem to be saving the shells/statue as much as we are saving the winged light. Like, the shells lost all their light somehow, we have to gather light that was scattered across the realms and basically give them a Soul Transplant.

However this implies with the way we collect and lose winged light that anywhere from 1 to ~110 souls are inside us at any given time. Which is… interesting

[frigid tinsel]

however, consider that they can slam into solid walls at mach speed and don't seem that fussed means that there are instances where they don't feel pain that to others would

[rigid mural]

So this might be a bit of a stretch but...
Fortified port ?

[regal phoenix]

dark water mm

[rigid mural]

I used the krills as living lamps, big brain time but look at the boat remnants...

[frigid tinsel]

skids standing in dark water feel the equivalent of a freezer burn

[keen shore]

I can see it! What’s left of it is so destroyed though it’s hard to make out what they originally might have been

[compact shale]

mmmwrrrrwmrmwmmwmrmmrrrrwmmmmmwmwrrrrrrr (fridge.wav???)

[regal phoenix]

is dark stone edible?

[frigid tinsel]

only once

[rigid mural]

The little opening we pass through at the bottom could have been to control the water level & let ships pass

[keen shore]

YOU BEAT ME SAYING THIS NOOO I was about to send it when your message loaded…

[frigid tinsel]

gosh i love looking at ancient ruins and pondering what it used to be

[keen shore]

Same. It’s hard to know if their ports even looked the same though considering water is by no means necessary in this world for boats to travel on

[frigid tinsel]

tbf we do have some boats that explicitly or probably travel via water.
the shipwreck in crab fields, the boat to the forgotten ark.

[rigid mural]

I gotta say, the graveyard looks like a wilder area compared to the first krill area; it doesn't seem like it was a building more than a huge open area. Perhaps the vantage points we use used to be docks for flying ships; when the darkstones failed, maybe the ship fell and broke, hence their remnants littering the area.

[keen shore]

We do have references for what docks for flying ships looked like in daylight prairie which helps a little, but golden wasteland is so completely destroyed that I don’t even know how to begin reconstructing it

I just noticed this emote. I can’t believe they forced a skykid to watch another of its kind be used as a pizza topping

[rigid mural]

Forest boneyard shows massive creatures falling on buildings is enough to break them so bad they can't be entirely recognized so...

[keen shore]

Yeah, that’s probably what happened here, if the massive skeletons are anything to go by. Plus everything is half buried in sand which makes it even worse… I wish we could see more of the gw architecture in general

[regal phoenix]

I just wanna go back in time and see non damaged gw and eden

[keen shore]

That’s the dream!!!!!!!

[regal phoenix]

imagine the lore you could see

[keen shore]

…I think I would actually cry if we got to see that

[frigid tinsel]

it'd probably be beautiful, going by what Valley looks like

[regal phoenix]

it'd start looking at every single pixel and say mmm lore

[rigid mural]

Let's see if the PC trailer is as gorgeous as the Switch one

[compact shale]

Potato PC trailer or Beef PC trailer?

[keen shore]

PC trailer that’s a slideshow of blurry images from the game with text describing how fun it’ll be on top

[rigid mural]

Idk TGC said they want to expand to PC but nothing more precise.

[frigid tinsel]

Switch release trailer vs Switch graphics
PC release trailer vs PC graphics

Sky on console would be the dream pls be xbox pls be xbox

[regal phoenix]

sky on the kfconsole when

[compact shale]

If skykids were to get armor the chestplate would have to have a hatch that we can open and get our candle out of

[frigid tinsel]

or just wear chainmail

[rigid mural]

I think spirits looking at skykids krill dodging for fun would be funny to look at.

Krill: ROAR
Stealthy Survivor: "Oh megabird this kid is going to get–"
Skykid: -does a barrel roll and dodges-
Stealthy Survivor: "...Whew."
Skykid: -goes back in the krill searchlight-
Stealthy Survivor:
Stealthy Survivor: 👁️ 👄 👁️

[keen shore]

Oh this made me realize something!! the most armor the ancestors ever wore was those battle masks in golden wasteland… which is a bit weird because armor would be a great defense against those Massive spears. Maybe it’s because the only material they would be able to use for it was stone, and it was too heavy to move in? We see gold in small amounts on valley of triumph but maybe they just didn’t have enough to use for war

[limpid thunder]

hi

[regal phoenix]

if skids were a plant what kind of plant do you think they'd be

[rigid mural]

Babana

[keen shore]

PINEAPPLE

[regal phoenix]

you keep potted pineapples too

[rigid mural]

We both agree they would be fruits.

[frigid tinsel]

yall wanna pot a skykid

[keen shore]

Oh no… that’s what all the pots in daylight prairie are for…

[compact shale]

Pull em out and they honk a honk that can kill a horse! Good thing you're not a horse!

[regal phoenix]

imagine a skid with a baseball bat

[frigid tinsel]

unstoppable

tempted to make king propaganda a thing in my ficverse

i'm not even a part of it, why is this a temptation

[keen shore]

I mean, pre kingdom falling it was probably a thing

[compact shale]

join the server
J O I N

[frigid tinsel]

yea but my concern is how the skykids would know about it?
i already have the Megabird religion

[frigid tinsel]

skykids could be playing pretend or think it's a game like "oh there was a king who died but long live the king, yknow lol, wouldn't it be cool to pretend one of us was the king and worship them hahaha" and the elders are just

granted the oldest skykid in my ficverse is 4yo but closer to seeming like they're 12

[rigid mural]

what

[willow prawn]

Oh hi guys two random commentaries when I was walking through Forest recently

One: i just realized all the caves and tunnels in forest brook are probably for mining, specially where Provoking Performer and angry teal cape guy are

And the other is not as related to lore, but the ground in the tunnel has rain effect and it's a bit creepy sjsh

[frigid tinsel]

angry teal cape guy
dfkljdfklsdn

[frigid tinsel]

hmm wonder if that's a bug

[true grove]

That emote used be in prairie cave room he dropped a jar which you can still see broken down there

[willow prawn]

I think so, because there's not supposed to be rain inside the caves...

It was in all that "muddy" part, it gave me the crawlies

[true grove]

Yes, definitely a bug that texture is supposed to be on water only, i think the gated area tunnel has a similar bug

[willow prawn]

Should probably report later

Anyways. That tunnel being a mine would explain the wood beams across the floor! I always wondered why those were there

I know you all super smart and probably knew already but I still get happy when I notice this stuff haha

[rigid mural]

Oh ! I can explain that actually ! Pouty Porter (angry teal cape guy) used to drag a boat in their memory ! It's possible the beams were here so the boat doesn't fall in the crevice at the end, and the suspended platform held the boat (for repairs maybe ?).

I love them... stomp spirit... first ascended candles I spent too, ahh the memories.

[willow prawn]

Ooh! Really gotta get reviving all those spirits don't I

The beams in both ends of the tunnel?

[rigid mural]

Not sure, like I said it's an old memory that got retconned somehow.

I do want them to get their boat back tho, between them, apologetic lumberjack and the miners, forest spirits must be ripped.

[willow prawn]

They all strong humble workers

[tulip aspen]

i think that might make a lot of sense

[tulip aspen]

in graveyard???? :00000

[tulip aspen]

oh my God you're a genius vel

holy crap

[rigid mural]

Realms classified from most to least ripped spirits in average

• Golden Wastelands
• Hidden Forest (brute strenght; outclassed by Valley in agility)
• Valley of Triumph
• Daylight Prairie
• Isle of Dawn
• Vault of Knowledge (nerds)

[compact shale]

Where is the context

[rigid mural]

@compact shale

[tulip aspen]

brute strength?
you mean hard labor like lumberjacking and mining?

nah valley's athletes were massive, and yes ive done lumberjacking im a tradesman remember lol

valley is rich and so are it's athletes so they probably get to eat way more ergo are way bigger

[rigid mural]

Yeah, have you seen a lumberjack ? Absolute beast

Valley athletes are used to sliding down slopes, but as you can see in Dreams, climbing back up isn't their forte. They're probably built for performance but not for day-long labor.

Beefiest nonseasonal spirit is in prairie tho, slumbering shipwright. This guy sure is built.

I'm not sure if fire prophet is beefy, chubby or both but I want to see them arm wrestling against talented builder.

[tulip aspen]

climbing back up?
im not sure yeti classifies as a current atlete

[rigid mural]

I FORGOT BEARHUG HERMIT

[tulip aspen]

who were you talking about then
there's no buff athletes in Dreams

[rigid mural]

The mom ?

I meant that the dreams gondolas showed that ancestors went back up the slopes by boat
The other athletes would be Proud Victor, Bowing Medalist, Backflip Champion and possibly Handstanding Thrillseeker.

[tulip aspen]

i mean yeah i was talking about the visibly buff athletes lol

their clothing always made me think they were gladiators not ice skaters lol

maybe that's their armor from a war and they wear it for tradition? 👀

[rigid mural]

Backflip is shown riding a manta, and I recall Ash calling them a manta rider, so my headcanon is that they're a flight racer !

[compact shale]

Ancestors keep missing leg day
Come on that uphill slope is calling you to leg day

[rigid mural]

This week's TS never missed leg day tho. Twirling champion walks back up these slopes like a king

[frigid tinsel]

You can be physically strong without looking buff

[rigid mural]

That's called being a dancer, and the reason why I see Spinning Mentor being able to carry heavier things than they may let on

[compact shale]

Skating with overhead boulder

[frigid tinsel]

Soccer players

[rigid mural]

Soccer players aren't strong tho ? They are good actors tho.

[frigid tinsel]

Smh

[tulip aspen]

frfr where's my fellow buff telephone poles at 😤 ✊

[frigid tinsel]

Have you seen a soccer player’s legs?

[tulip aspen]

d a mn vela dont do em like that

[rigid mural]

Yeah, nothing impressive.
Now rugby players...

[tulip aspen]

it's true tho soccer players seriously dont have built legs unless they work on it outside of soccer

really hekin weird ngl

ig it's moreso cos im a marathon runner, but sports people are just

it astounds me sports doesnt actually build you, and you have to build yourself for the sport lol

[rigid mural]

I headcanon Jam could suplex a Valley Elder, they must be shredded.

[frigid tinsel]

I think I had strong legs when I played soccer. I sprained a few players’ ankles.

[rigid mural]

That's... not how you win at soccer afaik

[frigid tinsel]

It wasn’t intentional

[tulip aspen]

"no no, he's got a point"

[rigid mural]

To be fair they can't take your ball if they don't have operational ankles, so it could be a tactic but I'm afraid the referee would drag you out of the field.

[frigid tinsel]

Skykids would be really good at boxing and fistfights

[frigid tinsel]

I mean, it’s not good when it’s your own teammates...

[rigid mural]

That's a you problem.

[tulip aspen]

the referee can hekin try

[tulip aspen]

ah yes i just love when my hands turn into candles

[rigid mural]

Next time Ash shows up, I'm asking them if the Valley Elders can be suplexed by my good friend Jam who does lumberjacking and marathoning for fun.

[frigid tinsel]

Granted, when it was my own teammate, it was one time. The other two times was an opponent and I got benched once for it. Couldn’t do that nowadays with the chronic illness(es).

[rigid mural]

Tbh I admire any of you doing sports, I have trouble doing warm-ups

[frigid tinsel]

Rock climbing is where it’s at. Plus the adrenaline rush from the fear of heights

[tulip aspen]

hell yeah man
half dome in yosemite is the best ive done ngl, kinda wish i could get at it more

[frigid tinsel]

Valley folk prob did a lot of mountain climbing

[compact shale]

And the downhill is just as hard

[tulip aspen]

true, especially the poor folk like in Dreams, such as yeti

[rigid mural]

If a Valley spirit accepted to be my workout pal, I could do anything

[tulip aspen]

its my dream to race the spirit in coliseum, my literal dream, makes me miss the parkour i used to do in LA and portland

[rigid mural]

PLEASE I would do anything to see Valley spirits racing with us !

[frigid tinsel]

Valley ancestor could probably bench me to get me in shape

[tulip aspen]

pls no ask something important like ***is the big fish a whale or not***

[tulip aspen]

valley ancestor would use my behind as a friggin deadlift

[rigid mural]

I totally see it too like... you're alone racing and a spirit comes down (like grandma) on the opposite side of the start. They do a chest pound or other energetic greeting emote before the gates open...

[frigid tinsel]

“I’d you beat me, you can ascend me”

[compact shale]

Jam woke up and chose parkour on ice

*remixes the failed attempt "oofs" of Parkour on Ice into a parkour EDM beat

[tulip aspen]

an important theme i really wish they game had reinforced better was that people from all over the world traveled to be in valley

a headcanon i wish was in the game was that, during the sightseer pose spirit, they were overlooking a massive parade for the royals heading towards coliseum across the bridge

and also during the cheering lady's memory, dozens of spirits should be shown cheering with her, with the stands absolutely overcrowded and filled with all sorts of people

[compact shale]

Your phone would rather not handle 10932276326621 spirits in a coliseum, sadly.

[tulip aspen]

oops not the coliseum i meant the one with the planet thing spinning in the middle it's on the tip of my tongue wth is it aaa

seriously guys what is that place called again

the one with the handstand racer

[tulip aspen]

noooooo

we only see a shot of her standing there cheering anyways, so it's not like we'd see the whole coliseum, just enough ancestors there to fill the shot, and have them all cheering, maybe throwing confetti, with the sound of crowds and fireworks in the background

[compact shale]

It's called the Citadel iirc

[tulip aspen]

oh okay

that place

i wanna race and climb all over there

[tulip aspen]

Another significant change is that the Elders are certainly no longer just "ancestor rulers" as they are phrased here

in this timeline, Elders were 100% mortal, and weren't even called Elders, they were just lords who controlled certain parts and functions of the kingdom, under the prince/King's command
[This is obviously different to what we have now, as the Elders in launch story are just powerful deities who had been sent by the Light to protect the ancestors and usher their journey to Enlightenment]

the 'real' "Elders" in this timeline were the "Elder Creatures", massive deities that protected the land long before the megabird let the prince and his people make home in this world

perhaps the Elder Creatures worked hand in hand with these Ancestor Rulers who are now the Elders in our timeline, or maybe the Rulers and the Elder Creatures were supposed to be foils to each other, with the Ruler trying to conquer the land, and the Elders turning into Dark versions of themselves (the giant Dark bossfights we see in some concepts) to defend the land from said Rulers

we'll truly never know, and at this point, i won't lie, this dead timeline seems like it'd make a hella fire Sky AU

[nimble ingot]

In the old lore (light awaits), the elders used to be ancestors chosen by the prince.
In the current lore, this might no longer be the case.

[tulip aspen]

thank you for the tldr lolol

And last analysis of Zhao's timeline for tonight, the royals

this picture from the timeline cements in for me personally that the prince/king are the same person, for sure (sorry alef lovers)

it makes sense, and we could have always guessed this, but since I've never seen such a solid narrative key in any previous concept art about the royals, it had always been too cloudy for me to care info wise

now that I've seen it, im sold
we have no reason to believe the king specifically would have changed from this original plot/concept, so there's a really decent chance his story specifically is actually what's going on in the lore bible continuity today post launch, because things were only ever changed to fit a more convenient or narratively smooth picture, and I don't think this story contradicts anything in Sky Today

what do we know?:
-he was sent to rule them
-he had a coronation
-the kingdom found darkstone under his rule
-he was there in the eye of eden when the apocalypse began

and that's honestly all we (relevantly) need to understand about the King's story, for now anyways...

[nimble ingot]

hmmm...
We know that the game does a strange way of handling time.
For instance, while we dont see a light creature grow older/bigger, we can assume that they can based on their names and locations. The mantas are the best example fot this because we have pygmies, then the small mantas, mediums sized ones, then large ones, then they grow extra pairs of wings/flippers and move from mono wings (one pair of wings) to quadwings (2 pairs), then the great manta, and finally the elder.

It would be interesting if this also applied to the elders, though that part is not really touched upon in the game, or even outside of it since the focus is on new seasons. While there are hints her and there (ex. Season of dreams' gloating narcissist spirit wearing an outfit similar to the valley elders. The season of flight guide is hinted to be once an apprentice to the day elder). We can safely assume that all of the elders are adults, and vary in size.
Further assuming the valley elders are the youngest based on their size, if the elders follow a similar logic to light creatures, the elder could grow bigger with age. That or what makes the creatures grow larger is based on something other than time itself. With the fact that the king could be the oldest elder of the realms, then it would not be far fetched being that he is by far the larger than the other elders. Perhaps an elder of the elders?

As a side note, skykids can also vary in size, though there is no great skykid that is the size of an ancestor spirit. Unless they use a magic spell, one that appears red and in the shape a fragmented diamond when you receive one.
So, for now, skykids are pure, though not able to evolve much beyond what they start out as. While they can change in appearance as they progress through the game, they remain true to their skykid selves.

[tulip aspen]

i still dont know if i wanna believe the great manta turns into the elder sanct creature somehow

[nimble ingot]

The change is very drastic, I can see how that is hard to follow.

[tulip aspen]

you are correct that the little pygmy we see being taken care of in Flight proves that mantas do grow in size, but we have no way to prove that same effect applies to ancestors too, and i dont like to think it would apply to the elder deities at all

[nimble ingot]

True. There is not much else to compare the manta evolution with on a one to one bases.

The only other creatures that have these kind of evolving variants, are the cosmic mantas, and the birds.
The birds are tricky to reference in the game, because we usually find the small 'paper birds.' Due to the game's limitations the large flocks of birds would be modelled with very few vertices (points on a model that makes up their shapes. The fewer a model has, the easier it is for a machine to render it, but the details can be lost due to not enough vertices).
Thanks to the season of flight, we are able to see larger birds. Ones that resemble the snow bird sculpture at the entrance in citadel.

Even though the game disappointingly did not include the elder bird, we can see the emoji for it here >>>
As well as in Twitter art. Unless a dev hits me over the head about this, I believe that the elder bird once did make an appearance in the game.
During Light Awaits, the season of Rhythm took place and in the end cutscene, the spirits were seen riding a creature that has the head and body of a bird, and 2 pairs of wings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rozpvn71g7Y

[tulip aspen]

was... the bird in season of Rhythm not the elder bird?

im fairly sure it's the exact same species

and yeah, i dont think the elder bird grew from one of those normal birds lol, maybe not even from any bird we see in game, otherwise that implies there has to be dozens of elder birds out there, somewhere

[nimble ingot]

It was.
So far I can tell, the 'elder' part was not revealed in the game, until the emoji was released.

[tulip aspen]

i personally dont like the idea of any being of light just plain growing because all of them cone straight from the Sky, but when i think about it ig it's fine and makes sense, particularly for flying light creatures as non shelled beings of light, as opposed to ancestors, crabs, and skids

[compact shale]

Wasn't there something about mantas growing based on how many times they migrated towards Eden?

[nimble ingot]

What other factors could in Sky could determine when a creature can evolve.
As in, how do the light creatures become elders? And why is it rare?

[true grove]

I think they grow naturally by eating other creatures
And maybe it takes a lot of time for them to grow into a elder so that's why they might be rare

[tulip aspen]

id like that theory a lot more tbh

like they're getting stronger every time they Ascend

[compact shale]

I have no idea if it's in concept, a dev statement, or a fan theory. All I know is that I probably heard it before.

[tulip aspen]

"a long time" still implies inevitability, so there would still hypothetically be hundreds of adults if there are hundreds of children

[tulip aspen]

no yeah as far as i know there's absolutely no evidence to it, i just like it ehe

[compact shale]

Same pal

Maybe that's the purpose of the weird "Starlight Desert Path"

What's real about Starlight Desert is that it is that close to Eden, so it's important for migration

Not sure how it would be useful for the ancestors tho

[grave glen]

this channel feels like an academic channel, a bunch of ✨sky shcolars✨

[compact shale]

It's either that, or it's complete chaos

There was a time about talking about Resh's many husbands or something like that

[grave glen]

woww lolllll

[harsh pecan]

Lol really?

[harsh pecan]

I have a question, do the elders count as royals in this timeline?

[tulip aspen]

In that concept art timeline they were just ancestors.
The exact word the concept art uses is that they were "overseers" chosen by the prince.
We only get to hear two mentioned in that concept; the "Warrior" and the "Ferryman".
(that "the" for each means a lot)
They were basically just appointed important figures who, well, oversee crucial actions for the kingdom.

For the current story, they appear to have shed any possibility that they are mortal in this story, and are just deities, able to influence the world from their mindspace when we meditate by their throne.

Tldr no lol they weren't at all

[harsh pecan]

So uhh why is “royals” plural when the only character we know to have a similar status is the Prince/King?

[neat flint]

They were like employees working for their boss 💀

[harsh pecan]

Just like KP, except we don’t actually work

[tulip aspen]

there are a lot of theories and even official concept describing the prince and the king as two different characters, which is why i had always made that distinction

the reason why i think official concepts do it too is because, well, the king looks a lot different from the prince lol, whether it's the same character or not

[nimble ingot]

Just a thought. (fiction based. Not real life)

If there is no one left to care for a god (as in tend to the temple, or pray to them),would the god disappear?
And if so, how long will it take?

Since there is no one left alive in the sky world, would it then be the skykids?
As in the Megabird is helping the elders to prevent the world from completely dying out by sending skykids?

[compact shale]

Hm. I don't know. I don't think Megabird is composed of an infinite amount of stars, though. I think if they were to use them all up in creating skykids, their consciousness and hypothetical command over us would disappear, and our fates would be truly left to us. Megabird isn't gone, they're just dismantled to the point they can't command anymore. You decide if that's good or not.

[nimble ingot]

Oh.

[rigid mural]

LIGHT AWAITS ???
That recent ??? Man.

[rigid mural]

Concept cutscene had you be rescued by the prince, specifically, before you fly to Orbit. It's somewhere on the Tom Zhao site, one of those pictures where they plan out how a cutscene goes.

[nimble ingot]

Light awaits was back in 2017 and ended in 2020 (If I understood things correctly).
Sky has made some strides since back then.

[compact shale]

I just realized that the runes below the rows of lanterns are all exactly the same

So either they say something mundane "archive library something" idk or the Devs don't think the runes are that important that they just ctrlc+ctrlv and that's it (or both)

[rigid mural]

@tulip aspen hey look, dev saying whale

[boreal nebula]

Weell, if you know just Lord of The Ring and not the Silmarillion, yeah, pretty much

[boreal nebula]

Tho I wish to highlight how that concept art is quite outdated compared to the game right now

We know the Tearful Miner is a Lightminer (so maybe they dont extract darkstones in present version).
Plus That Ark doenst seems to be in a Holy land, and even if by holy land it meant GW in general there is not darkstorm generated from nowdays Forgotten Ark.
You also need to consider that we assume now that the Elders precede the Chosen One/Prince as far as we understand, and the rise of the civilization seems tied to the discovery/achievement of the 4 Elements from the Trials.

It's interesting how we could have been called Descendants but I see why they decided to avoid that term.
One could see it as we as a new generation their lineage (Elders -> Ancestors -> Descendants) but devs specified now and then here in Lore how the tree are differenrt species, all of them different from Humans too iirc

[boreal nebula]

If you ask me, I think no 👆

[harsh pecan]

In my opinion no, if the god existed before they were praised then it wouldnt make sense for them to no longer live after that praise is gone. The second part is possible tho

[boreal nebula]

I think the spears and the shields can be missleading.
Even if we see the round shield on the tomb of Tsadi (placeholder name of GW Elder), which could be a symbol of the Sun faction, we also see a spear with a diamond carved, which could be a hint of the Diamond faction.
And maybe he united both to protrcted them from Krills (if they ever were fighting eachother in a civik war). Plus notice how Tsadi is depicted with the squared shield in both constellations (GW and the mural we see in Vault cutscene), I like to underline that even murals depict living on one side against death (skeletons) on the other

[mighty heath]

Theory: Flight Guide is not only the former apprentice of Prairie Elder, but Prairie Elder may have created “his” (I put quotes around “his” to indicate that this is being used in the sense of gender neutrality; I also did this with “daughter”) “daughter” the Flight Guide, Prairie Elder’s apprentice

[rigid mural]

They/them is a swell gender neutral pronoun if you're looking for that.

[mighty heath]

Yeah, but in order to classify what these said things are, I use those words and I put them in quotes. But yes! Will keep that in mind when I have more theories! But for this I created those for singularity purposes also because they can mean a group of people, in some contexts!

[rigid mural]

ok

[mighty heath]

No dw, i will use they/them in future

[rigid mural]

I'm mostly confused, I was just pointing out english has gender neutral term in case you were looking for them, not scolding you 😅

[mighty heath]

Theory #2
When one starts Sky for the first time, the player learns of how the light was infinite in the skies. But when the darkness came, the stars fell. Ever since I’ve played sky I’ve pondered over and over, what could have possibly made the stars not “listen”? And to what? Who or what was trying to warn them of this said darkness? Was this darkness a Dark Dragon? I’m thinking that all of the fallen stars you see in Eden; were turned to stone by a mysterious power (possibly by the krills) or you could say Eden was once a place of pure green and abundance. But now, it’s a land of darkness and corruption. I guess what I’m asking is, how did “Eden” become this place of destruction?

[boreal nebula]

Though I see why Ritz needed to clarify with singular terms. It can be misleading to read 'they of them' instead of '"she" of "him"' like that '"his" "daughter"' implied

[mighty heath]

Yeah, that’s why I put quotes around those terms because most of the spirits (if not all of them) don’t have genders

Like me thinking The Valley twins are anime characters

[nimble ingot]

Here is a thought that is in a different subject.

While the skykids go through the realms in a certain order (from dawn to eden) to learn what happend. What if the series of events were backwards?
This is not a theory that has a lot of evidence to support it, so tske it with a hefty grain of salt. The reason for bringing this up to see if anyone else might have a similar idea to add to it.

Starting from the end and working backwards, the king comes down from orbit to eden. Then destroys the kingdom with corruption, goes to war in golden wasteland, divides the people in valley of triumph (citadel is the high society and dream village are the lesser half), then drowns out people's misery in forest, the land breaks apart and devloves into a smaller kingdom, and ultimately abandons the temple.

Again, this theory is very rough, but the idea of the history could be read between the lines when working backwards might be valid tactic to finding something else about the history of Sky.

[mighty heath]

I’ve already said something similar to this, also with no evidence, but I do think through my own observation I have expressed my thoughts on the topic clearly.

[rigid mural]

Now this is unusual, I'm eager to see where you will go with that

[harsh pecan]

A lot of people agree that Eden became what it is now due to an explosion

[boreal nebula]

The listen part I always thought of something along this line:

In Orbit all Stars lived in harmony with light creatures able to cycle through there.
When they forsaw the coming a of great peril, The Great Darkness, they pondered,
"Light creatures can survive, but what about all those lives down there? We must act".
Megabird warned them "Fall and you'll lose divine right to ascend" but they didn't listen,
Stars became Elders, and sheparded the Ancestors in the centuries before the peril,
Trying to developt them to get the means to ascend them all, leading into building Eden.
But something didn't work as expected and all souls were left trapped as spirits, till
skykids were sent to awaken all souls in the Realms and ascend them with their Elders

[icy spruce]

Oaoaoaoaoaoa topic?

[nimble ingot]

That is an interesting idea.
Hopethetically, if/when all spirits are saved, will Megabird or whoever created the skyworld make a new world for the spirits to live in, or just reuse the old one when the world is wiped out and made renewed?

[boreal nebula]

I don t think it is Megabird role to make one anew, their role is to defend the cycle of life, which is already striving with lightcreature. It maybe was "reluctant" to save Ancestors because they werent purely made of light (like most of the animals we see only in masks) thus Elders took the lead

Or maybe Megabird knew the coming of the peril all along and knew more than impulsive Elders/Stars what has to be done to save souls afterwards when the time was right

Anyway, going to CR
Have a nice day, Lore

[mighty heath]

I think that’s an interesting theory! I’ve always wondered how the conversation between the mega bird and the stars went.

[junior tendon]

I found a picture that i needed but couldn’t find anywhere… searched for so long and now i got it
So i will leave || office king and megabird water murals || here if someone will be searching for it too for any chance

[boreal nebula]

Beautiful, I've always saw either the concept drawn on a disc of stone or a similar murals with orange lines, but the one you found is the actual ingame mural we see around Office portal, minus the land.

||Don't worry, here is #lore-discussion-spoilers spoilers are allowed, but thank for the concern ||

[nimble ingot]

Hafdgdhagsgh!
How!??

Thanks so much 💙

[junior tendon]

Found in Russian community lore notes
But im sure i defiantly seen it before somewhere else

[nimble ingot]

There is an old concept art for it.
Though having an image with a better resolution and detail like this one, is greatly appreciated.

[keen shore]

My theory is that they’re ranks instead of factions which I feel like makes more sense. You keep the old shields to remember how far you’ve gotten

[boreal nebula]

To anyone wondering about skykids with finger or fingerless, I have a Breaking News:
You Are Both Right!
||We have thumbs ||

[rigid mural]

Who has two thumbs and can commit arson ?

[boreal nebula]

#wishlist-and-ideas-archived message

Left a wish/feedback about Eden

[boreal nebula]

Lighting candles is not arson😂

[rigid mural]

wrong answer

[boreal nebula]

Just another picture to connect this "pancake" mantas as the babies of the King/Queen mantas with 4 wings (both have dorsal horns/bumps)

I hope we will get an answer about what these pipes in Eden were for (IMHO the used clean water as cooling system of the Eden Giant Power Diamond)
Unlike the theory about this poluting GW as a by product, my idea is that pollution wasnt intentional. After the Catastrophy I think Elders & Ancestors they maybe sealed as many pipes as possible, infact some background huge Pipe are close in OOB (maybe just low rendering, tho)

[opal scroll]

Lore chat, are spirits considered physically there and present, or are they like literal ghosts, a piece of a dead conscious mind we have to help with "unfinished business" so they can return to afterlife? Because if that's the case, how do cosmetics make sense? They are on the spirits because that's what they remember wearing in their memory/in general. Why do we get their belongings the further we develop friendship with them?
Do they give skykids items they were buried with, to continue their legacy, or are this items we create ourself in their likeness, as a form of appreciation?
That's what's been bugging me.
Thank you for coming to my tedtalk

[rigid mural]

I think they're probably semi tangible and still aware of their surroundings when coming down to see us; skykids can hug questgivers and grandma now, and it makes the usual sound of arms wrapping around eachother. Nonseasonal spirits also turn to us if we slowly walk around them when at their grave in the social spaces.

My headcanon is that the cosmetics are made of light; the "payment" represents the amount of light used to recreate them, and possibly candles spent on something like benches or the usual friendship gifts. Spirits could be letting skykids examine their clothing up close too if that were the case.

[boreal nebula]

Interesting, giving light as material to get an item

My headcanoj is that the closer we bond with them they give us a clear telepathic picture of what the object is and how it works, for example instruments we usually dont ear them, but we figure out how they sound and how to use them [instead of holding them badly like horizonts flute and others spirits around the realms ]

@opal scroll

[frigid tinsel]

wow, i was just there last night and thinking the same thing – something happened here. the bits of corrupted darkstone embedded in the wall, the pool of polluted water crawling with crabs, the dilapidated staircase, all of this in some sort of sphere of pipes – what happened here? was this place a center of some sort? what was this used for? was the hole up there a formal entrance? what sort of force or violence occurred that forced so much darkstone to shatter and stick inside the walls?

you're right that is would serve as the perfect canvas for a mural. though I wonder if there was anyone alive long enough to put one there after the Eden explosion.

Here are the pics I took of it

[boreal nebula]

I image it could be like a last entry into some diary/ship journal.. (with whoever was trapped in Eden trying to leave a mark before it s too late, as a warning)

We coupled to poles of the circuit wrong, please swith the polarity .. /j😅

[frigid tinsel]

“We done messed up”

[opal scroll]

Nature of spirits is still confusing to me.
I'm not sure If is there is a difference between interacting with spirit's memory or with the spirit directly. For example, non-seasonal spirits. We are reliving their memories and learn from them something about human experience, I guess. This way we lead the spirits to ascension into the orbit at the shrine. Do we help them to remember something important, thus helping them to go back on track to their destination, or are their, like, literal semi-physicall manifestations of their memories, that get transported all the way to the shrine? Not sure.

[boreal nebula]

Remember that Balrog fairy tale? Weeeelll...

[frigid tinsel]

Hmm, thinking now with the corrupted darkstone embedded in the walls, whatever murals were there were probably sucked up, since the ancestors’ paints were light based.

I just get this strong sense of loss whenever I enter that room.

[boreal nebula]

You are making good points. I think we do help them remember their most important memory, one that really defines them (good or bad that it was)

The only semiphisical manifestation to me is when we help Seasonal Spirits in quests, like in Assembly Treehouse and in Flight, maybe in some extension to Forgotten Ark too
During Season Of Flight last quest we help me retake what was almost destroying the Wind Paths, since we arrive in a light map instead of gloomy area from the start[ unlike in Ark where they lost all the 6 colored lights)

In Ark we only help retriving what they lost, but this way we help them remember how they survived and made theirselves at home

Or at least that's how I see it

For example, in Village of Dreams each spirit has one moment, but each also share one with the Skater Girl (which is somewhat lucky, we know so much about her)

[nimble ingot]

Perhaps that was related to the theme.
The skater girl was sort of the protagonist of the season. The spirit memories included them interacting with the skater girl, each of them helping her achieve her dream.
The the quests follow suit with each spirit actively training the skater girl.

The in the last quest, us skykids get to share in the experience the skater girl had with the show.

[boreal nebula]

Yes, and take the motto "it needs a village to raise a child" to the fullest

After all, who ever say they are selfmade, they probably never realize how much they were helped (with a good deal of luck too)

[nimble ingot]

It is interesting how each season has a different style of telling the story, but all of them have a similar underlying theme of the spirits wanted to achieve something, but cannot do it without the skykid's help.

I still wonder how the spirits are able to ascend without a temple, though perhaps because of the fact it is a season, it become a special case to season spirits where the skykid's actions help the spirits change the area for the better. Which in a way could work as a tribute and allow the spirits to ascend. Which may be similar to the non-season spirits being brought to their temples and ascending there.

[nimble ingot]

"It takes a village to raise a child"
Though I agree with you.

[frigid tinsel]

been thinking of spirit memories as analogous to winged light – meaning that they're not the same, obviously, but serve a similar function.

if winged light are the imprints of children of light, the impressions skykids left on the world, then could spirit memories be the impressions those ancestors left on the world? in that way, the memories we relive are the spirits' most memorable moments in regards to their location, as the world remembers them? that would explain why some memories are seemingly not as memorable, such as walking, but the world finds it memorable in regards to that ancestor.

I also find it interesting that the spirit memories lead to the petrified spirit, especially when they start very far from their final location. this lends some credence that these are the impressions of the ancestors the Sky world has left of them. in a way, the Sky world is leading the skykids to the spirits by invoking the ancestors' memories. we are following the footprints of the ancestors to find and rescue them.

[boreal nebula]

Even if they dont seems "memorable" they matter, the little things count !

[keen shore]

my idea as to how they work is that the spirits are trapped in an endless cycle of reliving that specific memory over and over and by using the candle to start the spirit memories you’re able to enter their mind and stop the cycle by helping them move on

I think how the memories themselves are deemed important is a mixture of this and whatever is important to the spirit, because some memories seem inconsequential while others obviously have an impact on the person within them, usually negative

I wish you could see their reactions to you helping them because MAN that would be heartbreaking

[keen shore]

I have a weird theory about darkness

[icy spruce]

what’s it abt

[keen shore]

I think darkness gets attracted to pure light and only becomes solid when it touches it because

1. you can only see flakes of darkness on corrupted creatures of light (eg sanctuary crabs) and around light in general (for example it’s only visible around us in Eden, the darkness shell around petrified spirit before we light them etc)
2. would explain why we randomly obtain a body upon falling to earth

[icy spruce]

cool

[coarse gate]

Oh damn I never thought of it like that

When I look at the world of sky I feel sad sometimes because if u think about in my opinion the spirit are the ghost of the people that used to live in the kingdom and now they are gone like what happened ( like I know the story) but what caused the stars to fall in the first place and what happened to the people

[icy spruce]

pretty sure that’s canon but ye

Sky is a happy game til u realized everyone is dead

[coarse gate]

Also are we the sky kids the new population that inhabit the world now

[icy spruce]

ye ig

[coarse gate]

Or are we stars as well it’s so confusing

Also another question are the winged lights stars or past sky kids

[icy spruce]

Well, winged lights are confirmed to be imprints of someone

Ancestors are stars, skids are just…skids ig

Dunno, devs is like “ohhhh, its upto interpretation jekw”

[coarse gate]

But of who thought 🤔

[icy spruce]

But anyways, there’s a lot of theories abt it being the imprints of King/Prince, first skid, the prev gen of skids, etc.

[coarse gate]

Also I’m excited and scared for the season of abyss coming soon

[icy spruce]

do skids have lungs? Prolly not cause Valley ice rink

[coarse gate]

Idk but our light does get extinguished in the rain 🤔

[icy spruce]

true, then again

Sky’s logic is wack

if they do im rioting

[boreal nebula]

Yes, under rain which is polluted or dark shifted, but even when we turn off the rain, there is no problem with walking in water (even if it's shallow like in some GW spots it's not yet dark enough)
In fact under Ice Rink of Valley we can do just fine (there there is the clearest and purest of waters) as well as when we float/swim in Sanctuary.

So I think there is a good chance we will not have much problems in future season

[nimble ingot]

That might change after this week.

(Not going to spoil things, but please do bring that back up when the season arrives)

[icy spruce]

dw Raider ik the betaa but like yknow hype hype hype

Spoiler alert: skids do ||dance||

[torn swallow]

have you heard of the day of dance

[icy spruce]

no :(

[torn swallow]

or otherwise the days when Dancing Performer was ts

[icy spruce]

Oh that yeeeees

[compact shale]

LMAO SAME I WANNA GO AND I DONT WANNA GO

[torn swallow]

people with thalassophobia go brrrrrr

[nimble ingot]

[icy spruce]

Darn, never knew the karate thingy emote was a dance

[nimble ingot]

Because, Game Mechanics

[coarse gate]

🥲

[torn swallow]

idk i felt like the game needed a sense of danger tbh,

[icy spruce]

AYO BETA SPOILER

WEE WOO WEE WOO, LORE CHAT EVACUATE IMMEDIATELY

[coarse gate]

We got the krill it’s all ready dangerous

[nimble ingot]

If you want to dive to the bottom of the sea, your winged light is going down with the ship on that venture.

[icy spruce]

WAIT A SEC, IS THE SEASON OF ABYSS OUT? IDK BUT LIKE JUST IN CASE

there’s a beta spoiler or smthn idk (I haven’t played Sky since last year kekw)

[torn swallow]

yesh yesh, but yk krill is only in gw and eden

[coarse gate]

Oops sorry but I’m not a beta tester but I got off from YouTube

[nimble ingot]

6 days left.
Soon soon soon

Also, please repeat that?
(I get folks can be burned out, literally and figuratively because of the game. But wow)

[icy spruce]

EITHER WAY, BETA CONTENT IS NOT ALLOWED HERE. ONLY THE BETA CHANNELS (aka, #beta-discussion and others)

[torn swallow]

shoot, sorry

[coarse gate]

Sorry I didn’t mean to forgot 🙏🏾😔

[icy spruce]

Anyways, delete ya’ll messages asap

[boreal nebula]

If they will put a limit, maybe it will not be about breathing... maybe we cannot deal well under pressure of waters

Plus if we do have lungs, we would need alot of iperbaric room to compensate /j

[torn swallow]

COVER UP THE EVIDENCE OTHERWISE MODS WILL KILL US LOL

[nimble ingot]

We are walking on a tightrope with this. But the tweet did come out. so the name and the water mechanic is fine. (I think)

[coarse gate]

I got ride of it

[keen shore]

You’re probably right now that I think about it. Maybe the pressure would crack our outer shells or something along those lines?

[torn swallow]

I guess, actually i think we lose light because of the pressure. It breaks the shell and rips out our light

[coarse gate]

Hide it hide it 😰

[icy spruce]

never knew that, but just in case

[nimble ingot]

same here.
I watched some spoilers and because of that, became a tad more careful kn whatvis ok to share. Though going of the this teaser, it should be ok.
https://twitter.com/thatskygame/status/1479259484677623811?s=20
https://youtu.be/1s65dm0-uh8

[keen shore]

For clarification, we can discuss anything shown in the trailer, and I believe a dev update came out as well with more information that we can also discuss. Stuff we can talk about include how we’re able to survive underwater, how swimming works in general, etc.

We can’t talk about stuff like the seasonal quest or spirit memory content yet though, or mechanics that haven’t been shown in the trailer or update yet

[icy spruce]

It implied the breathing mech so uh still delete it

not sure, imma ask mods

[torn swallow]

agressive swimming noises, but do sky kids like get tired or smth when theyre swimming?

[nimble ingot]

Please do, beside a mod would have came in here with a hoard of crabs to bury us with if there were bad beans to spill.

[keen shore]

The message I replied to clearly stated it was a hypothetical…

[nimble ingot]

They get tired after a long day of candle running. So...

I suppose that is up to how you play your character.

[torn swallow]

hehe yea!

[keen shore]

Although it is probably best to postpone discussion on this topic until we can actually discuss all the information. I’m not sure why people keep bringing it up knowing it can’t lead anywhere

[nimble ingot]

Agreed.
I am particularly interested about a certain ||something that I cannot say yet|| in the season.

[keen shore]

Same… I can’t wait until we can talk about it

[compact shale]

It can happen

[regal phoenix]

having beta knowledge and being in lore chat is like " help so much is building up within me "

[compact shale]

Yeah welopkwelo

And wanna know a secret in the dms

[regal phoenix]

no thanks fruiewsskjewewt

[compact shale]

Welop~

[compact shale]

Yeah like that scene where Dolores is trying not to spill and they squeak in panic

[regal phoenix]

her singing part just entered my head 💀

[hushed steeple]

The secret is to hijack the pre reveal exasperation to talk about your own favorite topics >:]

[compact shale]

#sky-memes message

[regal phoenix]

wait I can just talk to myself

[distant turtle]

Is the yellow statue in Eden from the Little Prince?

[compact shale]

What yellow statue

[hushed steeple]

Yeah

[compact shale]

WHAT YELLOW STATUE

[distant turtle]

You know the last part when you’re in ankle deep water and there’s nothing much ahead except the diamond? The first statue on the left is more yellowish and inactive.

[compact shale]

Is it even real...? Is any of TLP even real...?

[shut trellis]

probably. the desert probably exists

but at the same time...

[shut trellis]

genuinely happy don't know much about the new season lmao

[regal phoenix]

some things i've seen people say after the new art is like " omg this is funny " I won't go over what is funny tho

[jovial nacelle]

hi sky lore

[shut trellis]

ooh now im curious haha
helloo

[jovial nacelle]

All I can say is that so many things will be revealed underwater..
🌊 🌊 🌊 🌊 🌊
🟦 🟦|| || 🟦 🟦
🟦 🟦 🟦 🟦 🟦

[hushed steeple]

Never seen it. TLP’s statue has its arm out. I don’t think it spawns after TLP quest

[frigid tinsel]

maybe this is why Ash believes more of Golden Wasteland used to be underwater

[jovial nacelle]

It's like Atlantis

[compact shale]

*plays insanity-inducing music

[lyric isle]

current feelings:

• enchantment 🤝 abyss: boat crews
• please nobody call it breathing please
• YAAARGH MATEYS

[jovial nacelle]

You know, it'd be nice to see two seasons collaborating into one

[compact shale]

#sky-memes message

[lyric isle]

I am definitely going to be drawing crossover art

[lyric isle]

was referring to the implications of the trailer, nothing else

just hoping that nobody calls whatever system that comes out of this as such

[jovial nacelle]

hm, just a question to start up stuff..
Which elder do you think caused the downfall of the Sky World?

[frigid tinsel]

lore war noises in the distance

[compact shale]

Prophecy's vision shows a war. DArn it.

[lyric isle]

would it be weird to specifically ask others to not call it breathing around me?
by no means would that be an order, just preferred

to reduce discomfort, but I’m just one person of many

[jovial nacelle]

I'm thinking that the Prophecy Spirits were scholars from both the Isle Elder and Vault Elder's influence

[frigid tinsel]

may not be able to blame one elder for the downfall

[jovial nacelle]

[compact shale]

bonk

[jovial nacelle]

Hm, i'm thinking that both Vault and Forest is responsible for the Downfall

[rigid mural]

they took the pirate grandpa's sword 🥲

it lives on in my heart, spirits use swords.

[keen shore]

Quick question, how corporeal does everyone here imagine various light creatures to be - ESPECIALLY birds considering they come straight from the clouds. Like if I were to draw one realistically, would a bird look like a white bird would from our world, or would it look like the body was made of swirling mist in the vague shape of a bird? Would they look like really simplified approximations of birds like they would in the game, or is that just due to a necessary lack of detail so the game doesn’t explode?

Also Vela, don’t worry, spirits using swords is ABSOLUTELY canon. I think there are two types of sword you can find ingame, one in golden wasteland and the other in Eden. They’re oddly large though

[rigid mural]

why remove gandpa's sword tho, they deserve it 😔

[keen shore]

This seems to be a piratey season (in general vibes) so I am so sad we do not get more swords

[frigid tinsel]

they removal of the sword is homophobic actually /j

[compact shale]

Do Not Stab Your Crewmates

[keen shore]

Yes I agree. The fact that it is not currently possible for me to chase people around with swords ingame is homophobic /j

Sworb

Now that I’m thinking about it, this might be a glaive just due to the sheer length, however this does not absolve golden wastelands swords from being comically large

[compact shale]

what if the soldiers were wearing tsadi-size mechsuits

[keen shore]

That doesn’t explain it because the handles are normal size but the blades are the really big and unwieldy part. Maybe it’s big people with really small hands I don’t know

[compact shale]

OH MY THAT WOULD BE CURSED

[frigid tinsel]

maybe all the ancestors were hella strong

[quick terrace]

maybe the blades were a rather light material?

[magic root]

They are

Also hello sky lore

[keen shore]

This is almost definitely true since they can carry stone around like it’s nothing, but still doesn’t explain why they’d need such a long blade… I try not to focus on it too much because it’s probably just me being picky, though.

LESS PICKY WEAPON DISCUSSION. In the dismayed hunter spirit memories they are holding a bow which is super neat. However they never put a visible arrow on it, despite visibly shooting it. I wonder how this is possible because I doubt arrows would be too graphics-needy to add to the game. Maybe they could summon arrows of pure light or something which sounds extremely cool

[rigid mural]

valley elders show up in orbit with blades instead of their paddles

[jovial nacelle]

hi hi

[compact shale]

Maybe they don't remember what arrows look like anymore, remember these are memories

[magic root]

So mostly other ancestor spirits hunt for food back then?

[jovial nacelle]

Hm, if anyone is wondering how the Ancestors (which nobody is wondering) how they get milk, they get it from whales

[keen shore]

I feel like it would be really hard to forget what arrows looked like and remember what bows looked like, especially if you were a hunter using bows your whole life, but considering we don’t know how spirit memories work in depth enough for me to say that isn’t what happened, I will leave it open as a possibility

[magic root]

Whoa whoa whoa that's not how you get milk from the whales!

That's weird

[compact shale]

Maybe it's a rendering thing. Arrows are pretty thin, so if you moved your camera angle, you might glimpse it... maybe TGC couldn't find a way to render something so thin, a different rendering problem

[jovial nacelle]

Hm, so far the only mechanisms we see in sky are only powered by light and barely any structures that aren't powered by it.

[rigid mural]

valley elders who studied the blade

[magic root]

What's the story behind from the isle of dawn anyways..?

And how it become deserted tho

[keen shore]

Also another interesting point is how small the bow itself is. My first guess when reliving it was they shot that giant whale outside somehow by accident, but I feel like arrows small enough to be used on bows of that size would just bounce off it. Unless… hear me out… they’re MAGIC ARROWS

[jovial nacelle]

Just my theory:
I'm guessing that the Isle of Dawn was like, a passageway to the other realms

[compact shale]

Darkstone-tipped arrows? Maybe they pierce light creatures more deeply

[magic root]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh

[jovial nacelle]

I just imagine Valley Elders bonking the krills with their paddles lol

[magic root]

Nah that won't work lol
The guardian would schold them off

[jovial nacelle]

you mean forest?-

[magic root]

Golden wasteland

[jovial nacelle]

[sharp lichen]

Mean old guy telling the neighbors to get off his lawn

[jovial nacelle]

hm, so far we've got a ton of stuff on the other realms, but barely on isle
We don't exactly know what it's purpose was (just assuming, some of you might know)

[magic root]

Imagine if there's another village just as it looked like from the isle of dawn

Maybe they moved before the isle of dawn deserted?

[sharp lichen]

The Switch Trailer implied that it was a prosperous settlement at one point

[jovial nacelle]

Yeah, but what was it's purpose?
We've only got the Prophecy cave, that doesn't explain much

[magic root]

There's some more LORE about behind every realms

[sharp lichen]

With the Vault cutscene, we see Daleth clearly guiding a group of ancestors on boats, with some birds. I assume that they construct the boats, then use the birds as a guide? Also, we see birds flying in straight, coordinated paths a lot of the time

[keen shore]

We have some stuff!

• Isle used to be grassy and green similar to prairie (source: switch trailer)
• it’s the first spot travelers to the kingdom would enter (same source as above)
• it is based off the very first stage of a civilization and so probably was the original center of the kingdom. Now it seems to be just an edge territory, maybe used for farms or whatever. It’s big and flat, and explains why we can’t see any agriculture anywhere else, because here all the green is covered by sand.
• Isle elder is somehow different or apart from the other elders due to their face not being on the Eden door. This explanation can vary anywhere from: they weren’t respected by the others, or they were kind of isolated from everywhere else due to Isle being a rural area, or almost anything else you can think of
• Some info about the isle elder suggests their main job was to help people along on their journey to Eden or that they can somehow direct the birds to open up paths through the clouds

[jovial nacelle]

i see

[magic root]

-Isle of dawn used of settlement for moths
-Prairie used to be a lil village where civilization was there before
Forest too but lots of light creatures lived there without rain
-Valley used to be a big village with people who used to live there
-Golden wasteland was used to be some sort of a factory where krills didn't appeared there yet..
-And lastly.. on the Vault,it might be looked like a biggest library for teen moths

[sharp lichen]

Did moths (skykids) even exist before the downfall?

[jovial nacelle]

There is a cutscene of a skykid descending into the world when doing the come over here! spirit

[magic root]

Somehow I'm not good at theori of this but man.. that was great theory concept

[compact shale]

Might be from the previous generation of skykids

before us

[jovial nacelle]

or our previous reincarnation

[keen shore]

Also the boats were probably made in daylight prairie due to slumbering shipwrights spirit memory…

The skykids existing before the kingdom fell is a weird subject. I think the general consensus on this is that the king was the only skykid before us and is the same one in the ushering stargazers memory, but we have like no information on it so who knows

[tulip aspen]

the reason why the canth is called whale is because it came first

if they were both in at the same time at launch the canth wouldn't have reasonably been called a whale when there was also an actual whale there

either way, fine i get it

canth is whale, whale is elder sanct creature

[compact shale]

That would be cool but it would not really make sense

If I was stupider I would assume it was a post-mortem memory and that those are possible

But we know that isn't possible

[tulip aspen]

that's not necessarily a skykid, just a child of light

there is a difference

[jovial nacelle]

aren't we technically children of light?

[sharp lichen]

The King? But in the Switch Trailer, the we see the King going to Isle, so we don’t really know

[rigid mural]

Oh I don't particularly care about which is which, I just recall you were looking for a dev's take on it

[keen shore]

It’s like squares and rectangles. We’re COTL and skykids but every cotl before us is just cotl… does that make sense?

Maybe in the sky world children just randomly fall into people’s backyards

[compact shale]

Yes, but in that case the Ushering Spirit's memory might be showing a previous generation... or maybe a WL.

[tulip aspen]

yes lol skykids are children of light which is a general misnomer about humanoid beings that come from the Sky

not all humanoid beings from the Sky are skykids, obviously

[quick terrace]

this is how they managed before storks/j

[jovial nacelle]

Do you guys think sky kids are being used as tools for the Elders?

[compact shale]

No but I certainly think they are megabird's tools

[sharp lichen]

My headcanon is that the Elders are teaching us how to use our light. After all, every elder cutscene has the elder showing us what we can do with light

[tulip aspen]

i had originally thought it referenced a "mid" generation between the "First to Fall" ancestors and the skykids, remember?

these days however, im more convinced that cotl doesnt represent a whole generation, but the child that becomes the chosen one; the prince

[jovial nacelle]

Not every one of them, one of them literally just yeets our light

[keen shore]

I doubt as tools for the elders because I feel like if they wanted to manipulate us they would… you know… actually communicate with us instead of just grunting once in a while and stealing our candles!

Being used as tools for Megabird is a plausible theory though

[jovial nacelle]

My theory is that, sky kids were used to mass produce Power Crystals

[sharp lichen]

Did you really expect the Valley Elders to be mature, responsible, and good teachers?

[keen shore]

Honestly us being used as tools might just be the lore of the game at this point but it’s still hard to discern how intelligent and humanlike Megabird ACTUALLY is

[jovial nacelle]

[keen shore]

“Nooo!! I don’t want to be a parent but a glowing toddler just fell into my backyard and I don’t know what to do with it!”

[jovial nacelle]

"Welp, lets just force it to do our errands "

[keen shore]

Unrelated question but does anyone have any thoughts on the significance/purpose of those giant spinners things in citadel and coliseum of valley of triumph? my current guess is that they were used as hurdles in manta agility contests

[frigid tinsel]

i do headcanon that they teach skykids how to fight sometimes just cos

[sharp lichen]

They are mentally 5 years old and they get away with being the elders-

[tulip aspen]

writing down those two big possibilities about the megabird is still important on my list of docs to do/finish

we need these religions documented

[sharp lichen]

They really are the funny comic relief sidekick duo of this complex story

[keen shore]

They also definitely teach us curse words when they get the opportunity

[compact shale]

And then rivals to KP get born /j

[sharp lichen]

(Speaking of which, can you tell ches to release me please)

[frigid tinsel]

Valley elder(s): hey kids! want to learn the art of the blade?

[jovial nacelle]

10 seconds later, a scene of panicking Valley Elders rushing to get their WL

[keen shore]

“Please stop teaching the flying immortal children how to kill people with swords. I’m starting to get afraid at this point”

[frigid tinsel]

not me writing angsty cosmic horror about the Valley elder(s)

[sharp lichen]

They are 12 year olds and you cannot convince me otherwise

[keen shore]

They’re simultaneously eldritch beings and massive dorks. Who said you can’t be both at the same time?

[quick terrace]

“Hey skykids you want some blades?”

[thorny folio]

After the updated backflip champion it makes a lot of sense - before that I thought they were just ornamental

[rigid mural]

I prefer to think of the twins as behaving like college students

[keen shore]

All of these ideas are true simultaneously. That’s what makes them terrifying

[rigid mural]

Feral, unchained, hilarious... the twins.

[frigid tinsel]

in my ficverse, any skykid who has the staff from the Saluting Captain unlock Valley elder(s)' combat lessons. they learn to fight with that

[keen shore]

“Do you want to learn how to swordfight? Then bring me The Stick”

[thorny folio]

The twins act like anime teenagers. I don’t know how to describe it they just. Randomly start arguing or hitting each other in the background while the AdultsTM do Serious BusinessTM

[quick terrace]

then I believe I’ve made a very suitable image for that

[thorny folio]

hey does anyone want to talk about the new season teaser image?

[keen shore]

yes especially considering one of them is holding a power diamond :-)

[compact shale]

they're scavengers so idk

[thorny folio]

!!

[frigid tinsel]

it could just be a huge gem but yea diamond shape is sus

[quick terrace]

it’s simply just a doodle of a sky kid being chaotic with a firework staff

[thorny folio]

I mean, it at least implies that enough shipments went through golden wasteland to crash and or accidentally lose cargo. Power diamonds are everywhere and power most of the technology.
TGC show me the illegal dark stone trade

[quick terrace]

show us some real rapscallions tgc

[keen shore]

and it’s blue… Hmm. I hate being mysterious about this because I want to just share my theory already but it’s based on beta stuff so I can’t

[thorny folio]

It is blue…is it the lighting or is it activating on its own? And what time period is it? Before the true takeover by the factories? Do they know what the diamond truly does?

[quick terrace]

I mean, power diamonds even when non powered are blue, the faint glow around it is probably just an effect from the spirit

[keen shore]

There are some power diamonds in vault and valley that are perpetually on and we don’t have to light them to work, maybe it’s of that variety. Or their light is enough to power it through touch. It could still be off but here’s a way to explain the glow

[thorny folio]

I’m also wondering about their outfits with the timeline. I know they’re a group of ragtag pirates but there’s some styles we haven’t really seen before? Or maybe we have otherwise I’m just curious about the actual culture that developed in wasteland prior to military takeover if there was one and if this is a remnant of it

[keen shore]

Good point, there’s probably a whole pre-war wasteland culture we don’t know about

[frigid tinsel]

wonder why we don't see any spirit memories that are from before

[thorny folio]

It’s possible wasteland was primarily uninhabited before the industrial elements moved in? But still I’m assuming there was some sort of settlement before that

The forbidden wasteland lore…

[pastel brook]

Did someone call the fun police??

[keen shore]

I feel like if wasteland had culture prewar, enchantment spirits are a better source for it than abyss spirits. Considering they’re pirates, their style of clothes, hair etc could just be a combination of every realm’s plus their own traditions

[thorny folio]

Second part of your message I agree with, that’s my other working theory, but with enchantment it was specified that they were travelers from “far away” and not native to wasteland

[frigid tinsel]

going off my own theory that spirit memories are how the Sky world remembers the ancestors, it's possible that the memories from after Wasteland became a wasteland are just that much more significant than before. honestly that'd be understandable

[keen shore]

Wait, where are they supposed to be from? Are they from outside the kingdom entirely? If so that’s super neat

[thorny folio]

I think so? I’ll have to pull up the messages from it but I always got the impression they were visitors showing off their magic in the capital/vault

hmmm

[frigid tinsel]

vague, as always

[thorny folio]

lol

[keen shore]

Yeah, it doesn’t give us much information, but you have provided me with a headcanon I like a lot! Although people existing outside of the Sky kingdom is a really interesting subject because the switch trailer shows they probably existed. What happened to them after the disaster?

I like to imagine they’re just living their lives as normal. Sort of like all those dystopian books that focus on only one country so you just assume everyone else is doing fine and just avoids going to the Weird Place

[frigid tinsel]

Sky kingdom: explodes
everyone outside the kingdom: yea uh not gonna touch that no way siree

[thorny folio]

I’m glad! And I’m not sure.. Altho it’d be really funny if it’s like that one hunger games theory, like the kingdom is the only one really messed up and everyone else is like “…so is Resh coming to the olympics or”

[keen shore]

If this was true everyone in the forgotten ark was just REALLY REALLY unlucky

[thorny folio]

yeah :,)

[keen shore]

Honest theory though, they can’t be doing too great because something about the stars falling was apocalyptic and they live under the same sky as us, so that’s pretty unavoidable. Maybe they experienced a massive influx of weird children falling into their backyards and just point them towards the direction of the Sky kingdom and don’t really question it

[compact shale]

Other kingdom bloke: Oh yeah, we just had another frog rain, weather's crazy bro
Resh: Raining frogs is NOTHING. Children raining down from the Sky is almost a normal occurence for my kingdom, pal.
Other kingdom bloke: CH-CHILDREN?!

[keen shore]

Imagine trying to make the sky pay child support

[tulip aspen]

does it show they existed?
I wouldn't believe that ngl

the kingdom is the kingdom, we have no evidence any non-plant life except Light Beings exist in this world

[quick terrace]

people shaking their fists at the sky becomes an increasingly more common occurrence

[keen shore]

It seems to imply it due to the characters traveling through somewhere outside of it, then entering isle. Either they went out to explore or they live out there. Plus with all the fields and stuff shown under the floating islands — that’s a perfect human habitat, it’s not hard to believe other people live there!

Nothing is concretely confirmed either way but it is an interesting thing to talk about… especially because it could explain why some seasonal spirits have clothes and lore obviously based around cultures we can see nowhere else in the kingdom

[tulip aspen]

devs have stated the realms we see arent the only places in the kingdom that exist

anywhere Ancestors (Beings of Light) are, the kingdom technically has reached to that place

[keen shore]

Okay that explains it, but it is a frustrating piece of information. They can’t just tell us that and not show us the other places
It’s probably just to keep options open in case they ever add more realms but still

[tulip aspen]

they show it in seasons lol

the abyss area, sanct, and starlight are certainly not part of the realms you use to access them

does anyone have a pic of the "dont let the krill eat ur light!" message when you open the game?

[keen shore]

Somehow showing us a fragment of the other existing areas makes it worse than not being able to see them at all 😔

I’ll screenshot it for you next time I see it

[compact shale]

I THINK I HAVE IT BUT IT'S IN MY OTHER DEVICE

[tulip aspen]

FRUITY U DONT CARRY THE WEIGHT OF LORECHAT ON UR SHOULDERS ITS OKAY DONT WORRY

[keen shore]

Wait quick question. Is the loading screen randomized each time you boot up the game or is it a set one for each day?

Edit: just noticed it says daily tip. I may be stupid

[icy spruce]

I think its set

[tulip aspen]

well, think about it

if eden is the center of the kingdom, the stretch of the kingdom wouldnt be from isle to eden, it'd have a full circumference around the King's crown

that's a massive continent lol

[frigid tinsel]

here

[compact shale]

YAY THANK YOU ALASDAIR

[tulip aspen]

YAYA LETS GOOOOO

[frigid tinsel]

there's also this i saw floating around on tumblr

[rigid mural]

I'm so sorry but the gif is sending me.

[compact shale]

"mostly"

[tulip aspen]

what does that mean tho

[rigid mural]

I'm laughing very hard.

[frigid tinsel]

i didn't realize it was a gif omg sjdfbwubcjks

[keen shore]

Further evidence supporting the Pineapple Theory

[tulip aspen]

i tried my best okay

[rigid mural]

https://tenor.com/view/what-are-birds-birds-look-around-you-dont-know-mystery-gif-21310586

[keen shore]

That gif is a visual representation of how it looked in my mind when I considered Jams post

[rigid mural]

Same energy as Jam's gif ^^^

[compact shale]

What is life? What is our purpose? Do we really know???

[tulip aspen]

i tried 🤣 😭

[keen shore]

Our purpose in life is to give Megabird chin scratches. Everything else is a means of reaching that goal

[frigid tinsel]

a cadre of skykids need to go out beyond the kingdom and explore the world

[keen shore]

I DESPERATELY WANT TO BUT THE GAME WONT LET ME

imagine if there were fully fledged regions out of bounds but we had to clip into them or something

[tulip aspen]

open world sky please

i still want my idea about making the realms connected and open exploration salem

[frigid tinsel]

technically Sky is open world, the world is just small

[tulip aspen]

ive had this idea about modding botw so that you're a skykid with generally same skykid flight controls

imagine soaring thru botw as a skid

[keen shore]

I want that too.. For now we can only hope 💔

I would die for open world sky. Granted, that doesn’t mean much in the sky world, but still. We could have waypoints instead of the portals or something

[tulip aspen]

no, its level based.

this would make it open world
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NvdRk-w6DROP09YRvbZ-yaAwVr7LCfSmOw3SMHbLyck/edit?usp=drivesdk

[keen shore]

I doubt it’d happen just because if it did Sky would be an entirely different game, but it would be the happiest surprise ever if it did
Especially if it had well researched archaeology hints and all

[tulip aspen]

a wide majority of "full runners" would hate it :D

[keen shore]

Yeah that’s why I doubt it’ll happen but… honestly I don’t really care too much lol

I would gladly give up candle running for open world sky. Doing it for months on end is gettin boring anyways

[tulip aspen]

finished the krill doc pain
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tDfirXPurGw4Trp82xKkH43Rk99DCG6wHRLhcI3xWTo/edit?usp=drivesdk

[neat flint]

Oh that's from beta 💀

[frigid tinsel]

the original post is from October 2021 so

[neat flint]

But it's still not release in the live version (prob. never)

(Beta content stays in beta channels)

[icy spruce]

I thought that was in live since I remember opening one (then again, im also a beta tester so I prolly got confused kekw)

[neat flint]

One

While on the message it said (5/8) it means there are more

[tulip aspen]

my theory is that it wasn't posted on accident and it's a full unbridled bait for all and every one of us ty all be here all day

really kinda sad we didn't get it because it's a lot like the ones in battlefield and they know it is smh

another important thing for us to look at: middle left is holding a darkstone, hopefully that means the season will uncover details on the ol power diamonds

[tulip aspen]

i know the reasoning wasn't just because it looks too threatening for Sky, if that was a reason at all

the reason has to be narrative-wise, im telling y'all

they did it because originally the guide's character was to do something a bit more, but there was a cutback

now that i think about it, there's also the cosmetic reasoning

they were highkey pondering giving us an actual sword to hold lmao

I'd rather the guide have kept the sword and looked sick with it while just not giving us it as an ult, rather than just cancel scawy weapon entirely s m h

[tulip aspen]

make every character of the team do more, Narrative Writers

prove they aren't just cosmetic trees, please

flight was a great concept, but we need more than that, we need to care about each character and feel they are impactful

please try TGC, if not now, then next time.

[true grove]

Munches popcorn

[harsh pecan]

Yes…

[harsh pecan]

I agree, hopefully future seasons will give more character to the characters

[kind musk]

Hello my lore-seekers! Long since the last time I've been here.. I see many new faces!

[harsh pecan]

Hi! Out of curiosity, when was the last time you came here?

[kind musk]

Here, more than a month.

[tulip aspen]

f a s c i n a t i n g

[kind musk]

I came up with a question recently. The Flight Guide says that they need our ability to fly to "fix" (to say so) the Wind Paths.. so that means that regardless some spirits have capes, they can't fly.. so why does the flying race at Valley exists?

[tulip aspen]

they could have raced boats

and tho i say it like it's obvious, it's kinda sad we've never pictured the awesome idea of racing darkstone boats

[kind musk]

Yeah I've thought of that too, but boats don't fit through the obstacles that hold lights to gather. And the last part is sliding too..

Many areas in Sky are adapted for flying, for example the Prairie Village, surrounded by clouds, but we do know that people used boats there because of the Boatmaker spirit memories, but Valley Citadel for example, there's no way that people lived there without the capability of flying

Valley is pretty weird

[compact shale]

Isn't there a spirit riding a manta in the citadel? There you have it, the reason why a flying race exists

Mantahorse for the win

[kind musk]

There is? The manta whisperer? Afaik, they don't have memories

[compact shale]

No, not them, it was the Backflipping Champion iirc

[nimble ingot]

pirates

[tulip aspen]

y e s

[tulip aspen]

the smaller boats wouldnt?

as for the sliding, no they could just hover over the ground down towards the coliseum

[nimble ingot]

true, the boats can tread water and if they are stuck, they can just float up.
Unless the physical boat cannot fit through a hole on a wall, or cave. Then that boat is not going anywhere.

[tulip aspen]

e p ic

[rigid mural]

The removal of the sword puzzles me as well, though it is far from the first time we see this exact type; we see a few in the golden wastelands and at the beginning of Eden.
I doubt this is another dumb "think of the kids" thing because that's litterally just a character holding a sword we see anyway, even pirate media shown to 8 year olds features sabers and cannons.

Most likely, this is just not to confuse us and make us think we will get a sword, though this isn't the first time a spirit is depicted with unpurchaseable props either... Talented builder was drawn on the same kind of promo art with a giant hammer.

Last possibility is that this may simply be to reflect the spirit's personality better. Can't weight in on that but imo they look cooler with a sword.

That's the kind of question Ash could reply to us on since this looks to be their style & designing is their job.

[compact shale]

Ash, oh Ash, is this a blade of WAFO or not?

[rigid mural]

They seem to show up during seasons, such as during flight to tell us qg being ayin's apprentice was important. I think they will eventually show up again later this season as well...

[nimble ingot]

During the season of the Little Prince, the outfit that gave half of the uninformed player base a shock with 200 candles, there was the Little prince sword outfit. With a rapier by its side.

The only thing I can think of why the Abyss spirit got his sword taken away to make him lean every so slightly away from the Pirate theme and more into scavenger.

'This season wlil feature Scavengers of the seas'
Skykid: "You mean pirates?"
'Keep that up and I will make the boat smaller, you got it?'

[rigid mural]

Sh sh sh Raider they're gonna lock you in a closet in the office if you speak the truth too loudly

[compact shale]

If they're scavengers can you give me a shovel? I'm willing to help! (I'm not)

[tulip aspen]

tbh i didnt get pirate vibes from the sword and characters, moreso norse vikings

[rigid mural]

Yeah that's why it confuses me lol

[tulip aspen]

why what confuses you

[nimble ingot]

What, would they send mantas to toss me into outer space?
At least while I am up there, I can start looking for the Elder Bird that was last seen cruising with the stars since Season of Rhythm. If I am lucky, I might find it in another 2 years.

[nimble ingot]

You can supervise.
*digging a deeper hole *

[rigid mural]

Swords aren't inherently pirate props. Like desert thieves or tomb looters would have swords too.

[tulip aspen]

yea
id go so far as to say calling them pirates is....
uncultured

[compact shale]

Ruin Raiders??? AHHDSHAFHADSFDNASFDND

[nimble ingot]

yes?

[rigid mural]

Did I seriously get deleted by the bot for a question mark... ok.

[tulip aspen]

it does that for any single character iirc

if you try to just send a "^" only then it'll delete that too

welp ima go to bed nothing important better happen while I'm gone if ash comes tell them to come back when jam arrives kay? cool

[compact shale]

LMAO

[rigid mural]

Also that's what scavengers are if they're looking for stuff other than sustenance, they want items to resell or reuse. If it's from old structures if the power diamond is anything to go by, then yeah, it tends to be a morally grey thing because it may involve theft.

Honestly curious about how spirits that may not be goody-two-shoes like the flight crew will be handled.

[compact shale]

dark diamond black market hmmmm...

DARK DIAMONDS!! GET THEM FOR ONLY 3 [MONEY] A SQUARE!! DON'T ASK WHERE WE FOUND 'EM!!

[rigid mural]

Ngl the rightmost spirit with the coat isn't more scavenger than pirate. At least to me.

I for one cannot wait to cosplay Aragorn tho

[compact shale]

The One With The Acorn

[neat flint]

The acorn spirit got hair in the promo art but not in the game

(Taken from sky official Instagram account)

[compact shale]

taken from the WHERE ????

[lyric isle]

wait
hold up
hold up hoooold up

how does furthest right’s mask work

[compact shale]

Don't worry, the mask has 2 layers ;)

[neat flint]

Sky Instagram account the one developer update vid

(They accidentally put the spirits in the vid on insta I believe, those scenes can’t be seen from YouTube and Twitter ones)

[lyric isle]

(also btw, I call them pirates mostly jokingly, to explain why I say that)

[rigid mural]

I unironically call them pirates because I love swimming against the current.

[lyric isle]

does this mask debunk my theory

not that it was intended to be a stable theory but good lord the implications make me wince

something about the idea of floating orbs that somehow ‘blink’ is legit uncanny for me

….it’s unique to them. it’s custom-made because when they broke the mask the eye lights stopped working, so this was specially requested for some alchemists/sorcerers/light scholars to modify or something

[compact shale]

I mean, if they are digging up darkstone they might've used some to repair the mask but badly

That could be a tiny darkstone eye for all we know

[rigid mural]

I headcanon this particular spirit is a criminal in several realms.

[harsh pecan]

Oooo

[lyric isle]

the masks clearly work differently than I thought

I thought the eye lights were from the mask and there are mechanical eyelids

[harsh pecan]

Wait are they actual eyelids?

[rigid mural]

If I hosted a dnd game they would play a minmaxed rogue to solve problems with a dagger. Chaotic neutral ofc.

[lyric isle]

eyelids as part of the mask is the idea

i keep popping in and out, not my fault
sorry that i do

[nimble ingot]

Just unpacking the word Scavenger, and comparing it to 'pirate' and even 'raider,' as in a tomb raider.

A scavenger is a person who collects things that was abandoned or discarded by someone else. While there are not a lot of articles about poeple scavenging in or by the sea at first while looking it up, there is this page.
https://www.greenlivingtips.com/articles/scavengers-are-environmental-heroes.html
Scavengers are environmental pioneers and heroes of sorts; regardless of their motivation of scavenging.
This page talks about people going through garbage for things they might find useful to recycle.

My guess it the season is not meant to make the spirits aggressive or hostile, so they try hard to imply these spirits are privatising whatever they are taking nudge nudge, wink wink. But instead reclaiming something that was abandoned.

Now on to the word, pirate.
A pirate a sea fairing person that would attack ships and rob people at sea (or land, but in general they are criminals of the sea).
In real life, a pirate is not someone you would want to meet or aspire to be.
However, the idea and thrill of piracy was, and still is, being romanticised in fiction heavily. As in, a pirate in fiction is someone who lives a life of adventure. Someone who takes risks and enjoys the thrill of exploring the high seas and finding treasure. Fictional pirates have inspired many children to be brave and creative in life, to take a chance to live out their dreams.
There are many pirates that would never live up to the name in real life, though still fulfil the fantasies of adventurous children's imagination. To name a few, there is Captain Hook, Captain Jack Sparrow, Roby Rotten (the You are a Pirate episode) and even John Silver from treasure Planet.
So, the name may give mixed responses, it is not inherently a bad name. Not that it would matter given the player base will likely adopt the nickname regardless of TGC gives them a different Canon name (case and point, Krill).

[rigid mural]

I can relate to pirates, there's just some boats begging for robbing.

[compact shale]

Raider's makin a whole damn essay

[nimble ingot]

Now the word, raider (just because Fruity made me smile).

A raider is someone who takes part in a raid. Which is a "rapid surprise attack on an enemy by troops" (Google Dictionary).
Think of the lost boys in the film Hook, where they yell Bangarang and ambush the pirates (good film, 10/10).
A raider can be soldier, marauder, thug, or even a pirate/ buccaneer who plunders, if you will.

Now a raider can have a similar case with pirates when it comes to reality vs fiction.
The meaning of raider can change in certain contexts (similar to it being couple with pirates), such as the name tomb raider from videogames, (which is actually grave robbing, except that it is fantasised adventures that involves raiding dungeons with monsters guarding ancient artefacts).

TLDR; the spirits in this season can be called anything the players feel like, since the game is open to interpretation.
(Thanks for reading the essay about the names the spirits could be called, other than just scavenger)

[lyric isle]

yeah, I know that pirates are romanticised - thus why I’m not exactly sure what to do
but it’s stuck and I like joking about it

gave myself a nautical name to be festive

[nimble ingot]

There is a reason why there is a boundary between reality and fantasy (fiction).
It is not expected that the game with floating islands, spirits, flying boats made of stone and a child dying in eden and getting reborn has to apply itself to reality.

for example, just because I call myself Raider, does it mean I go around and rob people.

[lyric isle]

ye, exactly
it doesn’t have to be consistent

[compact shale]

would you rob candles given the chance tho?

[nimble ingot]

I would love to attend duels and actual races.
Though no, I am the kind of raider that will go after lore.

[willow prawn]

If so, fight me /j

Anyways, good morning!
Hopefully we'll get character introductions for the rest of the week

[compact shale]

YES GIB GIB YOUR INTRO FINGERS

[thorny folio]

This looks so much different than the promo image, are these the final designs or an old clip?

[boreal nebula]

First time I spotted a golden-crack statue was almost near the end of PNR, inside the perpetual rock rain area.
But if I recall correctly the cutscene shows TLP arriving near the 21st petrified fallen (you know that point under that rock arch ⛩️ (where a safe spot from sporadic rain has 2 statues)

Prince didn't do very well, only 5 Ascended Candles for him /j
It was probably a way to not stress too much new players if they wanted to save TLP

[boreal nebula]

Are you sure it wasn't some other player who died before you in the same server (forgot to mention I first saw one with a golden crab weeks before SoTLP even started) or even a regular statue that you have already saved in previous Eden Run?

[neat flint]

It's shown in the vid so I guess it is final

[boreal nebula]

oops. I meant so send the last one to @distant turtle 😅

[boreal nebula]

-Aye aye, cap'tain *vice-admiral

[boreal nebula]

Looking forward to it.. especially because those long braided hair & beard remind me so much of the Shrugging Alchemist's beard

[lyric isle]

wasteland, the land of amazing beards

[true grove]

Scavenger... hopefully not like assembly 🏃

[lyric isle]

enchantment did honestly relatively dull fetch quests but with pretty colours and actually forever-relevant lore

there’s something I want to bring up about the coloured lights and wax, but only when I have time

[boreal nebula]

Interesting... My headcanon is a bit different. I think they felt a connection/call to each of the 4 stars that later become the 4 shrines of the trials. Each meditated so much in contact with those that became prophets, forseeing what they had to be done to refinish the cave and prepare their pupils for the trials

@keen shore@compact shale@keen shoremaybe they hunted down a prey so much that they finished arrows, thus they are in dismayed

[boreal nebula]

As far as I see it, Isle is just the outer border of the Kingdom (described by 4 Realms, from Prairie to Wasteland, while both Isle & Vault can be counted as realms just in our eyes, Vault after all is just a library [with a door with just 4 diamonds as emblem]) and from there Isle Elder greeted anyone who wanted to enter, shepparding them on his boats (in an old version he was a ferryman, now he just has a mask shaped like a boat ♉ )

In the Switch Trailer it was showed Isle a flourish land, but maybe, since it was by the sea, sands slowly conquered more and more shores with the passage of centuries

[boreal nebula]

using krill blue/red nose as a ping pong ball XD

[boreal nebula]

My guess, a prosperous market just outside the kingdom for all the merchant from far away lands (maybe even just a stop to refill the inventory before continue the journey to another land)

[boreal nebula]

@frigid tinsel@keen shorethose golden gyroscopes thingies? My ideas is that they used them in the Citadel to study the passing of seasons with the movements of the stars
https://i.pinimg.com/474x/87/09/69/870969828e21317f49787c7cb6c3682e--marie-antoinette.jpg

[hushed steeple]

are we allowed to post hc's here :^

[compact shale]

Of course... I think... Don't trust me on this one...

[hushed steeple]

m. oke

[lyric isle]

I talk about mine a lot while respecting others’, go ahead

[boreal nebula]

Yeah, I agree. Plus we tend to call anything with rhombus shape as diamond or power diamond, despite maybe being different things or maybe not even "power" diamond.
I think the crystal (usually crystal clear too) we light with our candles for doors and what not its a different thing than the "diamonds" we see in Forest Elder's or Vault Elder's hands. We put a flame inside of that and then they ascend it.

Maybe they use this last kind as urns for souls like in Ancient Egypt (after all each tombstone we encounter has a rhombus hole in the chest, heart as the home of the soul, we even ignited any spirit memory by freeing their heart from darkness)

[hushed steeple]

Ouu oke, so i just wanna share about a l'il thought i head with the funi boat guy on the far right. I see in them as the main character of "The Old Man and The Sea", novel by Ernest Hemingway. And yeah that's pretty much it hahaha. The novel is nice, a classic, and yeah I just correlate it with the boat man, like at some point in his being alive he went through a journey in the sea, fishing, and then ye stuff happens. : )

[kind musk]

oh that's beautiful

[boreal nebula]

Is it just me or they all are wearing cracked masks?

[kind musk]

I think all the mask cosmetics may be cracked, however the middle one isn't

[boreal nebula]

the one holding the rhombus has half of the mask of a different color (maybe even broken)

[kind musk]

Ye I think it's broken, all the visual vibe of that one is bravery and that style

[boreal nebula]

Before SoDreams there were some changes in the place some spirits were found.
Manta Whisperer is now linear (chasing one flying light fragment at a time instead of the chaos of choosing which one chasing)
There were 3 spirits you had to find inside the two races, now 2 of them are on the top tiers of the stadium while Backflip Spirit is moved inside the Citadel and they gloriously ride/surf on a manta

[boreal nebula]

Rapier? I picture rapier as more elegant and prince-like, but to me that looks so simple a foil, those used in the simple version of Fencing sport

[nimble ingot]

Perhaps.
I just said rapier because it looked long and thin.
Let me find the picture and fact check the sword.

[nimble ingot]

ok. Here is what I found.

A rapier is generally a type of sword that is long, thin and used for thrusting (jabbing) more so than slicing.
Fencing swords are similar, if not the same kind of sword, as both have similar origins in Spain, as part of sword duels. Rapiers are also noted to be fashionable at one time and doubled for self defence.

Since the Little Prince is a French story, I did look a bit further. The two locations are not too far from each other geographically So it is not far fetched for the Prince to weild a rapier given the time (assumingly), as well as making the humble Little Prince look brave and dashing, which guves a nice contrast to his childlike character.

[boreal nebula]

Isle, the land of the longest beard, from elder, which shrink when you put it on

[boreal nebula]

Thanks for your search. Idk the origin was from Spain, I would have figure from France (being the "home" of fencing and duel like in the 3 Musketeers)
I simply did a quick google search about images rapiers looked more robust and decorated than a foil (the first style of the sport of Fencing) which I think it's the easy style, with just a flexible little sword used just to touch your rival on the chest/abdomen (without "harming" arms of legs like with other styles of fencing)
As far as I recall, not even in the book TLP was ever described with his fancier outfit and weapon, but by the look I always thought that flexible sword was a foil. I guess another thing left up to interpretation

And Lore chat is krilled again...

I guess I should wake up at 5 in the morning to be part of a discussion /j

[pastel brook]

[boreal nebula]

@pastel brookyou cannot yet detect my sarcasm

[boreal nebula]

I'm working on a little theory about Prophecy and Trials

Does anybody have the full list of subtitles that appears when we enter each area, trials included (like Cave of Prophecy: Beware the Ancient Trials and Trial of Water: Something something -> You conquered Something)

[rigid mural]

I think St Exupery did several watercolors; this one in particular inspired a portion of the more modern show as well as the sword pants.

[boreal nebula]

Not sure if the Cave of Prophecy subtitle changes when you finish quests, like Ark (from what is hidden under sands -> a pearl in the desert

[boreal nebula]

I recall this one was present of the back of book cover away before the modern show

[rigid mural]

Let's check.

[burnt cove]

@boreal nebula do you think there are other kingdoms in the world of sky ?

[boreal nebula]

I think clouds could hide many things, yes*. Anything beside linear plot moth usually follow was unthinkable before seasons realeased.

Then, again, the Switch Trailer really gave me alot to think about that, after all there is a big settlement and the 3 travellers of the trial seem to come from a long way journey

* And now waters too 🤩

[burnt cove]

@boreal nebula maybe those travelers are from a far village or from a far city of the kingdom of sky , I mean we still don't know how big our kingdom is right?

[boreal nebula]

Many things are left up to interpretation, yes. You give a valid point

[burnt cove]

Yeah, I am really curious about this and also there are lots of buildings coming out of the clouds ,so there must be more, maybe an actual city hiding under the clouds.

[nimble ingot]

Do you normally come online during this time, or earlier?

[boreal nebula]

Before the Village of Dreams was released a dev here once said during development considered to make a less rich suburb (maybe it was described as almost a slumb) under the Citadel and she sort of still consider it there, covered in the clouds.

Not sure how this can be interpreted now that we have Village of Dreams on the other side of Valley