lore-discussion-spoilers

[rain pond]

it could be the isle elder, considering that wrench-looking thing looks more like the staff of Isle Elder

[ember elbow]

OHH. and he seems to have been disowned by the other elders, but i always assumed that was just an oversight since he was in the first realm

[rain pond]

also why would GW elder attack the King? The King's attitude towards tech allowed GW to grow rich

(assuming that there is some sort of currency, e.g. candles?)

[ember elbow]

Because that additude lead to his realms corruption perhaps? GW is sooo polluted and the pipes leading in and out speaks volumes that eventually GW elder was swimming in garbage

[compact shale]

Sky ancestors most likely had a currency, but it's probably not candles. It's implied that the ancestors used candles more for worship/ceremonial purposes.

[rain pond]

if we're going to somewhat stick to the story of the ark, GW seems to like the King tho

[ember elbow]

the forgotten ark or the concept art of the ark in GW?

[rain pond]

the GW ark of Dark stone

[ember elbow]

you definitely have a point there. is that ark in game now or just concepts?

gosh i gotta be getting ready for work but the lore bug has bit me

[rain pond]

concepts, but the GW dude also made the fortress thing

[ember elbow]

oh man 😅 im gonna be spending hours hunting murals and exploring tonight

[rain pond]

good luck

and get ready for work now

[ember elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/why-nooo-gif-16009662

[boreal bane]

since ode to joy is a music sheet in the days of feast event does that mean beethoven exists in sky /j

[hushed steeple]

That's actually kinda funny because almost all of the spirits are light blue, and yet they are much more harmless than some of the Skykids...
Especially those nasty ones in the gw who drops moths into the water.

[boreal nebula]

Just a reminder that was a bug, eventually it was fixed before Season Of Prophec ended (the sprites came from that season) but now there's just a (sad) jellyfish murals ?after all it's in Jellyfish Cave

[distant turtle]

It was Wasteland Elder

[rain pond]

oh

[rigid mural]

King propaganda turrets

[boreal nebula]

Yeah, it was about the past, but for whoever (moths) haven't found the Enchantment Lights it's sort of a hint of their future locations

[distant turtle]

"It's treason, then."

[rain pond]

but is the king getting beaten up by GW elder in the prophecy mural

[boreal nebula]

You're free to see it as you like but IMHO concepts aren't per se canon or solid proves

[distant turtle]

It seems like it. The mural was a glitch, but it does support some ideas that some smart people had already suspected. Like, things I read in the pins.

[boreal nebula]

I think it checks out with Italian too

[tulip aspen]

hello, welcome to the wonderful world of lore!

may I interest you in my research folder?
it has many important findings and relevant theories and outlooks on current understanding of what we know could be canon or not

its the prince in that pic but not necessarily the chosen one from prophecy (we don't know if he is or not)

there's no shield in the pic tho lol

certainly a lot (or not a lot) to unpack in that image, ive never noticed it before

1. that's not the king necessarily, but it is the exact being represented in the prophecy

2. yes those are the elders, and tsadi seems to either be attacking or defending the chosen one

3. i really dont want to assume #2 or anything at all about that mural, there's literally no context lmao

you said it's at sanct?????
fascinating
if it's at a large place like sanct which has dozens of murals across the isles of it, then perhaps you should document other murals, particularly ones nearby that one

we need more context

[distant turtle]

I am a fan of the idea that the Eden Elder wanted to replace the Bird of Light, either in terms of replacing worship of the bird with their self, maybe with outlawing worship of the bird, and maybe even by more dire means, such as draining energy from The Light.

[rigid mural]

This mural was replaced in the later updates, now you find a depiction of jellyfish

[tulip aspen]

wth lol

either way

that's very interesting

they used the exact model of the chosen one from prophecy in a mural at sanct

even if that mural was retconned, that means the story of project was at least halfway crafted, and this retcon transition shows they may not even have had the story down yet for prophecy by the time sanct came to live

[distant turtle]

I don't think it was a retcon, but rather something that was not intended to be Live at all. The top and side of the image was always cut off. It may be coincidence that it looks like a battle between GW elder and Eden elder. Maybe...

[rigid mural]

Heard it was part of the Prophecy cave that accidentally got here

[distant turtle]

If you search for sanctuary mural there's a funny conversation from a year ago where they are asking each other if it was a bug.

[ember elbow]

jellyfish, i see! no wonder i cant find it myself

[icy spruce]

Lmao I remember the drinking game “Drink when someone ask about the jellyfish mural bug!”

It’s drinking water ofc

[distant turtle]

In my headcanon, the GW elder defended the Eden elder for too long, before turning and siding with the opposition. This is why the GW elder is half corrupted in the concept art.

That's why we have these King statue turrets atop the fortress, but a GW elder within the same fortress who is our friend and ally.

[hushed steeple]

The" dark water" - ashamed man, Season of the Little Prince

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[rigid mural]

-gesturing at concept art-
But it could be that deep.

[distant turtle]

Hey, the flat floating building outside the Stadium in the Star Field Memory OOB area has some other sibling buildings on Tom Zhao's site. It looks like that is the style used for the early planning of layout in Valley. Not lore, but neat.

Look on the left

[distant turtle]

I was referring to this background structure which I think is never visible unless you come here.

[fickle wing]

silly concept alef so swag

[rigid mural]

is that the glove beanie from spongebob

[hushed steeple]

Is eden king really a thing in sky?.

[shut trellis]

YES

well. sorta. hes there but uh not really shown directly

[frigid tinsel]

Does something have the compilation image of all the king(?) symbols that show up in game and concept art?

[shut trellis]

theres way too many. ive seen compilations but never everything. would that includes just star symbols lile our cape too? sky spirits have an affiliation with stars so not everything would be the king

though the statues in wasteland are probably representing the king.

[torn swallow]

This is a piece from my new Sky CotL AU- very off from canon, very far from accurate. Just saying. (I made it around 5? days ago ig)

It had been many years since she had last held a place among the stars. A new elder, they whispered, unaware that she was no longer the being her people desired. The war could end, they said, eyes wide as she passed, broken refugees who saw her as their only savior.
Now the people could have the lie that they wanted.
The diadem in the woman’s hands trembled, shaking slightly on a non-existent breeze. Children and women tangled hair and men with torn capes watched, hope beaming from every face. Spirits filled the Temple’s room, packing it full. With torn capes and dull hair, every one of them believed she was a savior sent from the heavens, the same Elder that had fallen from her celestial seat all those years ago.
No one knew that the rulers they adored were the ones killing them. No one knew that her power had been stripped by the others, the spirits once her closest friends, and drained to create a calamity.
Unworthy, they had said. You are unworthy, so you will no longer shine.
The dullest star in a sky full of brilliance was what she had become. The woman with the crown took another step, and raised her arms, glowing in the light of dawn breaking across the horizon. White hair glimmered like pearl, and ash-dark skin scattered the light in a haze. Gold graced her brow, and for a moment, the world and all of it’s corrupted shadows held it’s breath.
Fine. Let them make this choice, put her on this throne.
All it would lead them to was ruin.

(SRRY FOR THE TEXT WALL)

[frigid tinsel]

i found one

[shut trellis]

NICE
unfortunately theres like a million more king stars actually thats a good thing. but.

[frigid tinsel]

Yea there’s more but that’s the one I found and I’m not in the mood to scan the chat history anymore rn

[shut trellis]

this is a random question but do you think that the prophets(including the prophecy guide) somewhat cared about the prince? were they like "oh its the chosen one we gotta take care of him" rather genuine kindness? or did they not care or care... i just want some headcanons, also this is following the theory that the king is the trial winner

[frigid tinsel]

What’s to say that’s mutually exclusive? Perhaps the prophets cared for the Chosen One cos they were the Chosen One, but in doing so came to love them?

Some believe One was crowned prince or king after completing the trials, which is an attempt to bridge in-game canon with concept art.

[orchid jolt]

So, you guys know how the prairie elder's eyes "fall out" on the Eden door? And that the flight guide was prairie elder's apprentice? Well, I found one of the things they learned from prairie elder...

[shut trellis]

yeah i regret writing the first part
but the second part, did they care for him?

[shut trellis]

CREEPY

[harsh pecan]

What the-

[orchid jolt]

I know that it's just meant to be blinking but I just had to point out the coincidence between the two bugs lol

(I dont have a picture of the eden door when you return from home from pnr and before entering the portal in orbit, ill try to find one later)

[shut trellis]

oh yeah uh, heres some concept stuff

https://www.tomzhao.com/sky1
a link too

[frigid tinsel]

I know about Tom Zhao’s concept art and have a lot of it saved. But there is a specific image someone in lore chat here made that’s all of the king’s symbol appearance in the art and in the game. The one I found is lacking cos there’s definitely more.

[orchid jolt]

Sometimes one has art that the other doesn't https://www.tomzhao.com/sky-all

[shut trellis]

aw crud i misread your earlier message, sorry

[orchid jolt]

It's still being worked on, I've pointed several more out to @hushed steeple

[frigid tinsel]

I asked for it cos I’m infodumping to a friend after getting the 11th wing and they pointed out the third tier symbol

[hushed steeple]

Here mine. But its the same one you already found. The cape symbol is already included

[orchid jolt]

I forgot that would ping you lol

[frigid tinsel]

Thank you so much

[hushed steeple]

I still need the one under office island. So either I wait for holidays, or someone donates a nice clean picture.

[orchid jolt]

Also, there's the heart (when you're collecting it and it's falling into your hands) and the stone ark at the top of the middle island of season of flight.

[frigid tinsel]

I know people call it the king’s symbol or Chosen One’s symbol, but given Chosen One was a skykid, is it not necessarily a symbol of One but a symbol to signify skychildren/the descendants? especially since it seems so tied to skykids, like the hearts Ameoba pointed out and the call locator and the back of our capes at 3rd tier

[hushed steeple]

Could be. Skykids also have a different symbol on their chest though. (As do most elders).

Other contenders are winglight symbol and the stick figure with wings in the intro.

[frigid tinsel]

the symbol on their chest may tie to them the elders in some way, but the symbols on their cape may refer to them as individuals.

[tulip aspen]

yes exactly!

[orchid jolt]

I think our symbol is the white diamond with the black dot in the middle while the prince's is similar but has more.

Think of this emogi as the prince symbol

But the diamond with a dot in it seen in architecture is most likely for the prince, as we had not existed at that point.

[orchid jolt]

Prince symbol:

[distant turtle]

🤔🧐

[orchid jolt]

Sky kid symbol:

[neat goblet]

Damn i just fell into a deep lore dive

[compact shale]

The stars, lorechat, what do they mean? /hj

[orchid jolt]

But this is all just a theory

[neat goblet]

A SKY THEORY (Sorry i had to)

[compact shale]

Speaking of which, why won't MatPat cover Sky?

[distant turtle]

He would never be able to finish the series

[compact shale]

Oeh noeh

Is Sky lore really that big?

[distant turtle]

Last image is wonderful

[ember elbow]

all i have to say is im home now and i spent so much time looking at tom zhaos concepts

[orchid jolt]

More stars = more money
More money = more stars

[livid pelican]

I'm starting to think Sky is a metaphor or myth of day and night cycles

[orchid jolt]

In concept art, we can see that the realms were based on parts of a day. Not that this is a Canon thing in the game, but it's true of the devolopment of sky

[frigid tinsel]

Sky has a lot of environmentalist themes

[livid pelican]

you get dropped into this world, you then die and then reborn like how Egyptians believed that their sun god dies at night and gets resurrected at dawn

[orchid jolt]

Like how you are supposed to burn plants to help the world heal.

[ember elbow]

theyre bad plants

[frigid tinsel]

technically prob a fungus but

[livid pelican]

they trapped my mantas

[orchid jolt]

That's why I start forest fires.

[compact shale]

fingus fungus?

[harsh pecan]

The true question

[ember elbow]

okay legit uhhhhh my family member works in forestry and they actually burn forests to prevent forest fires

[orchid jolt]

They just grew there, the mantas for tangled in them. Also, there is a fungus in sky, it's a light creature, while the dark plants are referred to as plants.

[ember elbow]

its called "prescribed burning" and sometimes they do it to get rid of unhealthy trees suffering from pest infestations :v

[harsh pecan]

Petition to make MatPat do a Sky theory

[orchid jolt]

Yes but you're not gonna have much success with that when it's literal children doing the burning

[frigid tinsel]

arson

[neat goblet]

Matpat would get trapped by sky like the rest of us and will lose himself doing crs everday

[orchid jolt]

Yes, sky teaches us to commit arson

[ember elbow]

take small fire child. fire child flies. send fire child into forest and hope for the best

[orchid jolt]

Also, at least have matpat do a theory on Journey before sky. But it's likely he doesn't know about them (especially not about sky)

[compact shale]

Dunno if his audience would like it tho :(

[harsh pecan]

But I’m pretty sure he made theories about games a lot of people haven’t heard of, so there’s still hope he’ll find Sky someday

[frigid tinsel]

i mean, the environmentalist themes are very daunting. the next generation living in a world whose environment has been permanently ruined due to the previous generation's greed and power led to them ignoring the pain they inflicted not just on themselves but forever for future generations to come to the point it's impossible to solve the environmental crisis and everything we can do at this point is mitigation

[ember elbow]

are you.... are you talking about Sky or real life. i genuinely dont know

slowmode::: its both

[harsh pecan]

It could be experimental, if the Sky vid doesn’t do too well then it’s fine, atleast it was uploaded

[compact shale]

No I mean we don't know if his audience likes that kind of game

[distant turtle]

If Sky kids could only read then we could just go to Vault and learn all the lore in one evening

[ember elbow]

:O

[frigid tinsel]

you're right and i hate that you're right

[harsh pecan]

Oh yea

[orchid jolt]

You're missing my point, he has to hear about it first. Which could happen, I'm not saying he won't make a theory on it just explaining that he probably hasn't made one since he doesn't know about it to begin with!

[shut trellis]

The spirits should and need to teach skykids how to read

[harsh pecan]

True

[shut trellis]

imagine if matpat makes a theory on sky that we all would disagree with

[compact shale]

maybe that's why /j

[frigid tinsel]

yall: Matpat should make a video on Sky
Matpat: makes a horrible theory
yall: Matpat shut up challenge
/j

[lofty void]

walks into lore chat
sees the topic of discussion
leaves

[shut trellis]

if matpat ever makes a theory video on sky and leaves the king out. im going to be sad.

[harsh pecan]

Lol

[orchid jolt]

First they need to be able to communicate with some form of language. We haven't even developed a pidgin yet! The closest we have are the emotes!

And no, I don't mean pidgen like the bird. Here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pidgin

[harsh pecan]

I hope he’ll do some research on the lore instead of just basing it off of the gameplay, that way the King will probably be included (If he ever does a theory on Sky)

[orchid jolt]

He would probably use file names and concept art as solid evidence (especially the file names). Issue is, sky isn't one of those fourth wall breaking games that account for that in regards to the lore. For me, the lore evidence would have to be something our sky kids could see/find (or something a developer confirms and stuff).

[shut trellis]

Personally i think they communicate with honks. But yeah, thats true

[distant turtle]

I tried asking someone in Ark where crab call spirit was using honks. They eventually waved and left. I’d call that a success because the spirit wasn’t there.

[compact shale]

He's willing to datamine the game? Darn it, that's a part of the lore we can't talk about

[orchid jolt]

i meant sky kids communicating with spirits.

[orchid jolt]

He might not, but others already have

[compact shale]

frick, I can't find a request flair for the game theory subredit

[shut trellis]

OHH okay, fair. Maybe, just maybe we use the same language as them? Perhaps not, I'd expect them to talk to use more.

[orchid jolt]

??? SKY ISNT A FOURTH WALL BREAKING GAME! FILE NAMES ARENT RELIABLE! THE OFFICE AREA IS THE CLOSEST THERE IS TO A FOURTH WALL BREAK AND THAT ISNT EVEN CANON

[compact shale]

I mean, Belonging Gran is imitating our honks, so maybe?

Also HAPPY AMEOBA I JUST WANT TO LET HIM KNOW ABOUT SKY NOT ASK HIM TO DATAMINE ANYTHING

[orchid jolt]

i dont think we would speak a langauge we never knew. think of it like humans meeting an alien species, its unreasonable to expect they would speak english, chinese, korean, japanese, or any other human language

[shut trellis]

How do skykids know how to speak, anyways?

[rigid mural]

*here

[orchid jolt]

we dont have mouths. i dont think skykids speak like humans. its more likely they have a full body language like sign language with emotes, and include noises like honks

[compact shale]

morse code /hj

[sharp lichen]

It matpat ever makes a theory video on Sky, dozens of unintended consequences will happen. #lore-discussion-spoilers becomes unrecognizable, almost as active as genchat. The amount of moths drastically increase, none of them having a clue on what to do.

[pastel brook]

[sharp lichen]

And you! You and all the more will become overworked due to the surge of new members

[compact shale]

Maybe he should save it for next summer...

[shut trellis]

y'know, as much as i want sky lore to become more recognized, i kinda don't want matpat to make a video
i do, but i dont

[harsh pecan]

That’s the neat part, they don’t

[lofty void]

oh we still talking about Matpat? imma leave then

[rigid mural]

I'm just here to have fun, whether we're eventually seen or not by a popular youtuber doesn't matter as long as the outcome is hilarious.

[shut trellis]

well we stopped talking about matpat for a bit

[lofty void]

trueeeeee

[tacit coral]

Seth
Aww, skybot didn't respond 😭

[compact shale]

what was that supposed to do

[tacit coral]

I remember when you send a name of any fanon names of an elder, they'll message something

[compact shale]

It's Teth, not Seth

[tacit coral]

Yeah I know, hold on I'm trying something

Alef
Yep, no longer working

[compact shale]

Yeah, the rule on using the old elder names is much more lax now so they don't nee that anymore

[harsh pecan]

We can say the concept names without Skybot responding now

[tulip aspen]

Quite literally, if you see my relevant theories

[tulip aspen]

corporate moment

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[icy spruce]

not that deep

looks at the loreburg (aka, lore iceburg)

[hushed steeple]

People new to lorechat: “does skybot ever post its not that deep in this channel?”
Lorechat: “does it ever save some for any other channels you mean?”

[compact shale]

Twice? Seriously?

[tulip aspen]

see someone pressed that on purpose smh

[compact shale]

Press what?

[orchid jolt]

It is now, I brought a shovel

[compact shale]

Happy Support Shovel
Happy Amoeba

[tulip aspen]

the mods and staff def have access to controlling skybot

sometimes skybot has even said non-prepared things, so ive assumed before they can talk through it

[compact shale]

Haha they probably 98% chance do that

why press now tho?

[tulip aspen]

maybe one mod did it after finally reading chat, then another did it to be funny

IM LOOKING AT YOU BOON

[harsh pecan]

uHhhhH

[hushed steeple]

That one time it pulled the double not that deep AND the go to bed. Yeah, I feel like theres some intention mixed in.

[compact shale]

Mods.
Please.

[pastel brook]

The mods are always watching...

[compact shale]

whoops.

[icy spruce]

There it is

[tulip aspen]

u guys are awful 🤣

[floral grove]

Why do some people believe that Sky Kids are collectively the soul of the Prince/King ? Why would Megabird reuse his soul to create millions of Sky Kids?

[oak axle]

Where is that

[willow osprey]

Has anyone ever noticed this giant ball like sculpture on top of Vault‘s tower? I wonder if it’s just part of the architecture or whether it’s had some sort of function

[willow osprey]

It‘s at the Eden entrance

[oak axle]

Ohhhh oki, also I haven’t noticed that which is interesting

[hushed steeple]

I've never played Journey but I've seen a few clips of it, could someone tell me if Journey predates the story of Sky if there's even a correlation to begin with

[distant turtle]

The story is quite similar to that of Sky, but they are not officially related. Jenova Chen did call Sky a spiritual successor to Journey.

[distant turtle]

You can fly up there if you manage to pass through a strong wind coming over the wall. There are decorations in the Valley race temples that match the giant decoration on top of Vault. It was meant to hold a banner, but the banner is now gone from the giant version.

[willow osprey]

Ohhh okay thank you!

[hushed steeple]

I see, thank you

[tulip aspen]

who says that?

[floral grove]

I don't know exactly who but I remember seeing a YouTube comment that claims Sky Kids to be sort of like the "shards" of the Prince's soul and I saw some people think it's a good theory

[compact shale]

I don't personally like the theory, sounded a bit too horcrux-y for me

(emphasis on PERSONALLY)

[tulip aspen]

youtube vids arent always the best source of theories lolol

of course here could be debated as well

[sharp lichen]

Imagine what’ll happen if Pewdiepie just starts playing Sky. Think of what it’ll do…

[compact shale]

HOLY FRICK AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[sharp lichen]

Dream starts Sky speedrunning. The actual leaderboard gets taken over by moths who can’t speedrun.

[sturdy coral]

Journey is my favourite game i've every played honestly, and imo there's a ton of similarities to both Journey and Sky although Sky imo built on what Journey was.

If anything I think sky could be the prequel to journey.

Also hi haha

[tulip aspen]

did he ever play journey?

Sky seems like it could be a jacksepticeye thing, jack loved journey and those other classic PS3 titles

[sturdy coral]

Oh he did and he cried so bad at the end

[tulip aspen]

at least nothing will ever be as bad as him finishing the last guardian

[sturdy coral]

THAT IS TRUE. He is known for his funny content but he can get super serious when the game is emotional.

[distant turtle]

1: crown in the friends constellation.
2: mysterious child we hug after Eden, and merge with.
3: we can absorb winged light which has been called “imprints of the child of light”.
4: we relive the trials, and the murals show the child of light doing so. They also suggest that the child in Beckoning spirit memory is the child of light. All these children- the players, child in the spirit memory, child in Eden, and winged light, have similar appearances and look distinct from the ancestor spirits.

I don’t believe we are necessarily the child of light reincarnated. It’s possible. But we could be their descendants instead.

[sturdy coral]

Honestly though, I think we are something completely different from the Spirits or even the elders. The trailer for the switch imo really digs down on the idea that we came from the sky while the spirits/elders try to get TO the sky before the stars fell

[tulip aspen]

beckoning?

[compact shale]

Ushering spirit lol

(Beckoning spirit is a completely different spirit from the Season of the Little Prince and we can't be sure of their existence)

[hushed steeple]

What was the actual story of Journey tho?

[distant turtle]

I could tell it, but I would rather not spoil it for people.

[compact shale]

Spoiler tags my dude

!textspoilers

edit: FRICK

[tulip aspen]

i mean, id highly recommend you play it for yourself

only 15 USD on steam (less money than we've spent on Sky smh)

[hushed steeple]

You have a point

[sturdy coral]

As ppl said, play it yourself but if you can't afford it, there's tons of playthroughs on youtube 🙂

[distant turtle]

Journey spoilers

||You wake up in the desert. You walk, and find runes which cause your carpet-like cape to grow. There are helpful animals to find that are made of carpet. You often need to free them from captivity. They resemble birds or butterflies, dragons, and jellyfish. There are many murals to activate, which display a piece of history. You learn from the first murals that everyone is dead and buried. At the end of each area is a meditation shrine, where a silent ancestor who resembles the player except very tall and dressed in white appears. You experience a vision of the past, like an animated mural. They were farmers, then developed technology to automate production (involving animal captivity to power the machines) then to make mechanical dragons, then turned their dragons on each other, leading to all out war. You continue, meeting the mechanical dragons in person. They are hostile. By this point, you have passed through areas which resemble Valley and Wasteland from Sky. You eventually reach a vault of murals and ascend to the top, where you experience a more cohesive vision than usual. This vision includes yourself and your own future. You then exit onto the mountain for the final act.||

[icy spruce]

ye

[shut trellis]

probably because theres a million star symbols on us. well not really, but there are some. i used to have a theory on that but I don't really believe it anymore. i mean ig if you"cause"the problem you can fix it or maybe the king was powerful so the megabird did that.

[tulip aspen]

Been updating my analysis on children of the light, if anyone wants to take a gander

hopefully i clean it up and 'finish' it soon

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1thcKlrpEPO87cz0hgM5rbMZilC97-2chVEe7uC7WI0c/edit?usp=drivesdk

[distant turtle]

I agree with you except that I think they’re different species of people with different origins

Elders, Ancestor spirits, and Sky kids each have distinct origins. I assume that the ancestors could not tolerate sitting directly in an open fire when they were alive.

[tulip aspen]

they possibly couldnt

skykids are made more of light, being much more connected to the Light

they are able to meditate very easily, direct their Flame into a feasible point on their hand, project forms and clothing from their light, and most iconically, accept the imprints of the children of the light and fly

ancestors were much more physically bound to the world, with much less light than us skykids have

they needed to craft and sew clothing and masks such as the textured gritty articles of the old and young ancestors we see in the cinematic, were unable to fly and needed airborne boats, and most iconically, were so earthbound that meditating is difficult for them, and they could never reach enlightenment as easily and Ascend

they have to be "of the same origin" because we know ancestors and skykids alike all "return" to the Sky. that means both of us come from there paul

the only difference between them is the ancestor has a weaker light, while the skykid has a stronger one

i plan to add all of this to the document, i just haven't had time, thanks for the input!!

[tulip aspen]

alright, my explanation of that is added to the document now!

[distant turtle]

I think you’re right about all of it. What are your thoughts of the “Royal”? Do you think they were light in color and maybe even glowed?

[frigid tinsel]

Should note that the quote is “imprints of the children of light” not just child of light.
Edit: No wait I’m wrong and right. And both. Ugh sources.

Theres this from idk what doc

Then on the wiki entry theres this

[hushed steeple]

Also the cutscene at the end of vault shows a skykid obtaining a crown

[hushed steeple]

I'll send a video to the video tab

Sent it

Idk if that's a skykid tho. It's do seems to represent the player tho

[sharp lichen]

Objection: It is physically impossible for Skykids to sit the way the person sits in the cutscene. Also, the way the person is sitting is called the diamond pose, which is either a nice detail or a coincidence.

[hushed steeple]

They can sit that way when they enter a trial. Booya

Pretty sure they can sit that way. If they can squat they have limbs

Plus if that isn't a skykid, that's a spirit, and spirits were skykids once

[tulip aspen]

you mean the king/prince right?

honestly we know absolutely nothing about them

i dont even know to feel about assuming the chosen one from the prophecy is the prince; we will never truly know for sure

[tulip aspen]

wha??

[hushed steeple]

I'm not sure if it's a skykid tho. Go to the video tab. I sent a video of the cutscene of the end of vault

You veterans forget the beautiful cutscenes of the game when yall are on yalls runs eh?

[tulip aspen]

ohhhhh lol no thats the constellation for eden lmao bru

it just represents eden

no one is "getting a crown"

[hushed steeple]

But it's the same constellation of your friend constellation

[tulip aspen]

yes

you can take that info as you want/will, but from face value it absolutely just represents eden and the King's Crown

interpreting why it's also the favoruter friends const is up to us cos it's extremely loose to theorize about it

[hushed steeple]

Dangit I though I was onto something

Thought*

But the kings crown is your own friend constellation

I mean. Thats one of the reasons for reincarnation theory

[distant turtle]

There's no definitive, just great theories

[hushed steeple]

We will never know the truth

No worries, we are plotting to steal the lore bible so its fine

Jam I cannot interpret those reactions. Yeti....no mouth...white snow????

[harsh pecan]

What’s the plan?

[frigid tinsel]

Btw you can send relevant vids and pics in this channel. Things will get lost in #screenshots-and-videos

[sharp lichen]

Chesca distracts the moderators, you make sure Alex is… asleep, Kami will nab it, and I’ll be the getaway driver. We can then discuss our findings in KP.

[harsh pecan]

Good plan, but where is it anyways?

[sharp lichen]

That’s what we’ve been trying to solve for almost a year now! It’s been 11 months 3 days since the lore bible’s reveal and we’ll do it! It’s like getting to the ||office without a cape||, no problem at all!

[harsh pecan]

Is it an actual book or just a doc? The answer could change the plan

[ember elbow]

wait sorry? lore bible? theres a lore bible? what do we know about it?

[shut trellis]

so uh, how does one steal a lore bible?

[distant turtle]

I heard it's just a recipe book for crab dumplings

[ember elbow]

i mean. most storylines in games and such have a "bible" of sorts to refer to. considering how many changes in cutscenes and storylines happened from beta, to old cotl, to new cotl, eventually something would have to be set up to keep consistency

i dont suppose anyone can direct me to the "discovery" from 11 months amd 3 days ago

also props for keeping track

[hushed steeple]

Oh hey I didn't notice that! Thank you! :)

[fringe hare]

Carefully

[compact shale]

With the power of love /j

[shut trellis]

And with the power of friendship 🤩

[frigid tinsel]

If we plan to steal the lore bible with the power of friendship, will TGC just give it to us?

[hushed steeple]

TGC: if you want the Bible, we will give it to you

for 10,000 ascended candles

[icy spruce]

literally, costs 1540 hearts now

[icy spruce]

anyways, it’s time to pay ur debts for the lore bible! where’s my 1540 hearts

[tulip aspen]

love?

[harsh pecan]

Atleast the debt is for a greater cause now

[compact shale]

That was in cozychat so it doesn't count

[tulip aspen]

alls fair in love and

[harsh pecan]

Maybe we can try to get info on the lore bible before doing the plan

[ember elbow]

no info needed. only nic cage

[harsh pecan]

Lol

[tulip aspen]

so ever since i made this transcript of making much more sense out of both intros since "they talk about the same thing" as ash said (paraphrase) ive been going insane

@compact shale ill have to update the intro doc to account for this new information and analysis, and it will not be pretty for my sanity

"here's all notations of the voice saying "our/we/us" or mentioning others

OLD

"with the Stars, our light was infinite"

stars=kingdom builders="with the ancestors"

"the Stars fell..."

"the Stars made a home in the clouds"

the clouds=kingdom

"if only they had listened"

NEW

the spirits belong to the Sky, and the Sky and those who remain trapped down in the world are the same, but apart

"With the stars united, Our light was infinite.."

our=Sky

"..and together we lived in harmony."
All beings of light in the Sky, forever dancing

VOICE CONNECTED TO SPIRITS
{bad narrative writing time :D}

it suddenly jumps to those living in the world
Stars is now just some lame light v dark balance
spirit=spirits of CotL still in the world

"As spirits, we soon became many."

Sky says We because spirits belong back in Sky

"..creating our home here in the clouds."

Sky refers kingdom builders (it supports them?)

VOICE SWITCHING TO SKY
"The stars fell, and with their light We faded away."

"We"=Sky, their=.... spirits/what spirits did?

"Now we call to you."

The Sky needs your help

"Draw near, so we may start you on you journey."

The Sky will send you earthbound

"Spirits once lit the skies and connected our realms."

definitely not spirits anymore, could be elders but..

"Our elders would usher them Skyward"

so it's not the elders either

"Other Elders wait.."

"Restore them, child, and we will wait for you in the light."

definitely the Sky talking

[compact shale]

Oh my goodness that is confusing...

Have fun suffering ig...? /hj

[robust flare]

I took screenshots of Ash's comments about the lore bible. All we really know about the lore bible is that there IS one. And that it contains some of the information already in the game

Sorry if this is no longer relevant to conversation, it's late and my brain is going splish sploosh into the depths of the ocean

[tulip aspen]

never apologize, it's definitely a valid and important assessment

[tulip aspen]

the point of that massive wall of text is to convey that even in the second intro it's absolutely for sure the Sky talking

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[wooden crypt]

Yom

To sum up what happened in wasteland, the King of the sky kingdom began to stray away from megabird (a god) and created more and more industrial things, but messed up in the end and caused the storm in eden, corrupting the wasteland. The spears and shields in wasteland are left over from the residents of the wasteland’s last stand against the corrupted forces. or at least that’s what I’ve picked up

megabird, power diamonds, and the king are things talked about a lot here so you can ask around

[fringe hare]

After reading all of that I am definitely not absolutely for sure your concept of “the Sky” is the narrator 😂 but I’m glad you’re convinced

[ornate acorn]

So much of the deeper lore is new to me. I was watching YouTube and it popped up and I've been super invested since. I went back to the Cave of Prophecies and looked at the art on the walls to try to piece things together. The art on the Lost Ark also caught my attention. It made me think that the Ark could have been traveling spirits that got caught in a terrible storm that destroyed their ship, or they could have been trying to run from the Krill when the storm hit

[wooden crypt]

Those unlucky souls

[ornate acorn]

I really feel for them

[compact shale]

Their ark was brought down by a lightning strike, and my guess is that they died of starvation/dehydration (Shrug's failure to purify some water, Scare spirit's barren farm)

[ornate acorn]

For me their story is for sure the saddest because of what they went through

[tulip aspen]

hi ash 👉 👈

[tulip aspen]

oh?

the writing style is certainly botched and confusing, but care to share any debunks?

[fringe hare]

I don’t care to try and disprove it, but it feels like all you did was equate “our” and “sky” on your own, and then ran with it down the list of things the narrator said after you decided it was the Sky 😅

Be convinced, but once again no chance I accept certainty :p

And I mean the point of your research is to validate your own theories, not make me a believer.. I think. So carry on 😂

[tulip aspen]

i mean the lines are meant to express the message of a group lol

we know it can't be the elders, and that it can't (directly) be the spirits we save, and that whatever this voice is sent us here, so we can't from wherever it is

with the fact that spirits and skykids alike "return" to orbit implies we belong there, so it did logically be implied it came from there... right?

i eliminate all possible candidates that lose feasibility to come up with a solution

i understand my tone of "this is fact" is abrasive, but i wouldn't be saying so if i wasn't prepared to face it possibly not being fact

i want to face any possible reason I'm wrong, or rather not right, and if that's the case then yeah I'd be wrong, but I'm this confident because the evidence can't point where else at this point

[polar veldt]

Ok.... Anyone discussing about the sky kids are blind or have poor eyesight?

[tulip aspen]

even so i don't see a point in saying I'm self inserting merely just because you.... don't like my tone, yes?

[fringe hare]

Nah it’s just a lot of assumptions, but yes the only reason I bothered saying such was because you bothered saying it’s absolutely true :p it’s just not absolutely true, that’s all.

[tulip aspen]

i mean
it is
it has to be
as i said there's no other possible solution

your original message was very aggressive and it kinda hurt, when what i was talking about wasn't even directed at you

like, id like to be sorry you felt offended by it but idk what i did-

[fringe hare]

Whose offended..? and all I said is I wasn’t prepared to accept that as the end all be all truth based on a list of assumptions 😬 aaaaaaanyways it seems we’re veering into back and forth off topic territory. I’ll see myself out 😅

[tulip aspen]

bruh

nothing will ever truly be canon in 90% of sky, and it's meant to stay that way so that it's actually fun

[fringe hare]

Well said 😜

Apologies for my aggressive seeming initial poke. I wasn’t laughing emoji at you, I was laughing emoji at my own confusion. And I am genuinely glad you’re convinced. That wasn’t sarcasm lol

[tulip aspen]

oh
well then I'm sorry for getting so stirred up for no reason

pain /:

[fringe hare]

Nah nah nah we good jam. I like that you be going so hard in pursuit of pinning things down.

I’m just skeptical to a painful degree, anytime I see words like “absolutely sure” or anything of the like, I just get to poking without thinking as much as I should. I totally coulda just not said anything 😂

even if I don’t get it, I can tell there’s a lot of work going on your end. And I am glad it’s getting you places :3

I feel like there’s probably a lot under the hood of what you posted that didn’t fit in the discord message limit.

Someone has to believe in their own thoughts, god knows I can’t 😂 you’re a lore stud jam. If anyone gonna solve this cookie it’s probably you ❤️

[fringe hare]

Yeah! Someone was posting about that a little while ago.. I’m not sure what their thoughts were behind the picture they shared.. but it seemed like they were thinking the eyes are very sensitive and must be shut without the special filter provided by our masks🧐

[compact shale]

Sensitive lil eyes.... pat pat

[tulip aspen]

i mean its absolutely fair to be skeptical of it

i admitted that even in my paranoid everyone-is-going-to hate-me-for-this mode...

i really don't know what came over me, that sucked...

so sorry

[fringe hare]

Nothin wrong with defending your truth that I called into question^.^

[tulip aspen]

yeah i made that as a possible portrayal of how the eyes of the CotL's shell works when blinking

@polar veldt

i didn't make it with the intention of the "sensitive to light" theory being in mind but i suppose the sketch works well for that too

[lyric isle]

hi are we talking blinking headcanons
I…admit I have one

it’s basically part of the mask (via mechanical eyelids), function for the sake of emoting with it on and also to stop anything getting in the mask

probably reactionary, for spirits is synced to their actual eyes but also autonomously - purely automatic on skykids’ end

[tulip aspen]

maybe blinking keeps the light from spilling out?

would work a lot like tears maybe

[lyric isle]

potentially
I consider it a spirit invention, we’re just using the same masks with the same tech

elaborate on your idea? just curiou

[atomic sun]

So true

[compact shale]

HOW DID YOU FIND THIS MESSAGE-

[atomic sun]

With my great skills of course

Bless you

[tulip aspen]

well your more robotic theory wouldn't like it lol

us real people blink to protect our eyes, and when we stop blinking our eyes start watering

ive been pioneering that ancestors and skykids are humanoid shells with light energy filling the casing

what if skids need to blink to keep the light from... well, bleeding out of the eye sockets

just a fun headcanon

[tulip aspen]

how-

[lyric isle]

oooooo I’m intrigued
you’re right, wouldn’t work for me - but nice nonetheless

[compact shale]

Light leaking

It's shown in Eden and some emotes that light can leak out of us, whether voluntary or involuntary (Hey, I said your name!)

[tulip aspen]

hmm

so maybe cry truly is canon

actually
I'll do y'all one better with an outrageous headcanon

what if all lv 2 and 4 emotes are canon, and the skykid emits colored light to do them

[compact shale]

Yeah
We're lightbenders too, just like some spirits
We just use lightbending to do other stuff

[tulip aspen]

our lightbending seems to be more personalized, concentrated

it emanates from us, it is us, and we just morph and shape that bodily energy as we see fit

even our spells are often themed around us, and light coming from us or shaping us and not it surroundings

meanwhile we see from both the cinematic and gameplay like enchantment and more that spells from ancestors are actually just resources, balls of light they find and then use in a disposable fashion, shooting out and interacting with the environment around them

[polar veldt]

🤔 btw the core/soul disappear when we pull out our Red candle and when you put it away it makes a lil Animation of putting it back on your cheast too

[lyric isle]

yeah I just recoil at the idea of the blinking being natural
thus my overly complicated ideas

[polar veldt]

Do you all noticed that at the very top floor of the vault there are elders statues but among them the warrior/Wasteland elder's statue is the only one that is damaged

[rain pond]

yes

[tulip aspen]

the concept art explicitly calls that core your "Flame"

[polar veldt]

Sorry quick question is The kings name Alef or Resh?

[tulip aspen]

no i haven't! nice!

[tulip aspen]

"in my analysis pages, you'll see me say "the king/prince"
the more accurate term is "the royal" but everyone likes the former term

in concept art the climax of the ending of the game is fighting the King, a corrupted Elder who is as tall as a skyscraper
architecture all over Sky and concept art references the King

the prince is also mentioned in concept art, but we have absolutely no solid evidence of who or what they would be/have-been
the king and prince are often mentioned interchangeably because concepts have done so

perhaps the prince grew up to be the king (after becoming the chosen one in the trials(??))

perhaps the prince was the King's son

perhaps we should realize we know literally absolutely nothing about the prince (even less than megabird)

canonchasing wise, talking about the prince/king always leads to dead ends, but headcanon/fanfic wise, they're an unlimited amount of possible content lolol"

i should really just make this into a doc

[polar veldt]

Lol if the Kings is the last boss and weapon like the spears at the battlefield were added no matter how tell or powerful he is He'll be defeated by a Chibi 🤣

[thin dirge]

Actually, its not the candle, its the flame. If you look closely, youll see that your Sky kid's flame is actually directly from the chest rather than the candle, using it to scoop out the flame. So I think the candle is there so that it's easier for the kid to hold the flame and its much safer. Without the candle, its more vulnerable.

As to where the kid gets the candle... Idk. Lets just say sky kids have a magic pocket and has it with them at all times

[tulip aspen]

an interesting take!

but because it doesn't explain the candle idk how to feel lol

maybe the candle is just.... light? (no that'd still mean it's from the flame rip lol)

[rigid mural]

Just realized but it's possible refusing voyager () is blue in ushering stargazer's memory simply because the devs needed a model where they aren't carrying that giant pot (a reasonable choice from the spirit if they were just hanging out and taking a walk with stargazer in that memory) but the potless model doesn't have the code switching it for a golden one when the spirit is ascended.

[compact shale]

Ktjn's usually the one who confirms that something is indeed not that deep :3

[polar veldt]

@thin dirge ooo my
🤔 but aren't the whole light red candle is our soul? Well is not canon just a hunch here me out the whole candle(red) is our life like a candle if you light it long enough it will et away the wax and it will go out, just like that the red wax will runs out eventually means our life will end and the flame will go out. Sorry for the bad english but is all a theory A GAME....THEORY🤣

[rigid mural]

...oh ? 👀
So it seems piggyback's memory (containing an iteration of refusing voyager) happens last. Perhaps it shows what they were doing with those lights they sought ?

[distant turtle]

I’ll go check it out

[rigid mural]

It's a carry spirit so you got limited time to look around. Most interesting parts are the last 2-3.

[hollow knot]

wow is this live

[rigid mural]

Lightseekers is from 2019, so unfortunately, the most you will see from that season is traveling spirits nowadays.

[hollow knot]

i was there

i joined ios release i can’t really remember that long ago tho so i dk if it was belonging or lightseeker

[rigid mural]

Well, it lasted from September 23 to November 10. If you joined between the end of the previous season and the end of lightseekers, you're a lightseekers moth !

[distant turtle]

Neat

[rigid mural]

The meaning of darkness plants is still a kind of mystery, they seem associated with exhaustion and death within memories so it's possible this was a delicate task refusing voyager didn't get out of unscathed...

[distant turtle]

I think these are the same idea as in that memory

[rigid mural]

Yep ! Perhaps those were offerings ! You see similar miniature boats as the one they were putting light on in the Isle temple and the slumbering shipwright's room.

Interestingly, the isle temple ones are used to hold candles and activate murals depicting the other temples.

[distant turtle]

Slumbering shipwright, another memory with a darkness plant

[rigid mural]

Yeah ! Hence why I said death and exhaustion

[distant turtle]

I think the King is depicted in the Vault cutscene vision as eating a light offering.

[tulip aspen]

:00000 holy crap you might be right

[rigid mural]

Some old versions of the office portal drawing have the king holding such orbs in front of creatures bringing orbs to megabird.

[tulip aspen]

:000 OMG THEY REALLY MIGHT BE!!

I've always chocked that specific mural off as just a random group of Ancestors bringing light spells/powers somewhere but if those are the lightseekers this may be revolutionary

[distant turtle]

I get the impression that the general public was in the habit of sending light offerings towards Eden and that’s what Isle paintings depict.

[tulip aspen]

hmm perhaps
it does seem interesting enough an idea to look into tho, particularly if there's more evidence to be found

[distant turtle]

I don’t know anything about the story of Season of Lightseekers

[harsh pecan]

That doesnt really look like the King imo

[rigid mural]

Like with older seasons, there's not a lot of story; we just know the spirits are from the Hidden Forest.

[rigid mural]

That's because in the office, the head is covered & might be from concept art lol. But there's a similar drawing in the concept timeline that effectively labels the figure as the king !

[harsh pecan]

Oh, I see

[thin dirge]

I theorized it was the flame being our soul... The flame is our light.

And while we do survive without it, thats only because we have Winged Lights supporting us without the flame.

Our flame is our actual soul and our light, while Winged Lights are also actually the same, but its actually from the Sky kids you meet in Eden instead of a simple flame like ours.

This is why we can still survive even with Winged Lights and no flame. When we lose both, we go to the dark room, because we actually die. So I would say the flame is our soul.

[sharp lichen]

Also, I always liked the idea that the Enchantment members visited the Prophets at one point

[distant turtle]

If this triple diamond symbol is something else besides just a King symbol, maybe it has something to do with celebrating their technology. Forest (especially Temple) and Valley are the two realms that involve celebrating technology.

Can’t forget Vault, which also carries this symbol.

[tidal valve]

Did ash come back in chat while I was gone?

[fringe hare]

@rigid mural @harsh pecan best shot of the presumed king from the office portal I could get from oob.. seems to be holding an orb and riding on a boat

[rigid mural]

[buoyant yoke]

This symbol is so important that tgc putted it everywhere but in a different way

[harsh pecan]

Interesting

[polar veldt]

Hold on the Orb....... The Orbs that have the power to revive the land the ones from Season of Enchantment.

I also remember the King holding or consuming one of the orbs at the last floor of vault at the last cut scene

[rigid mural]

The King Eating the Forbidden Sphere (2019), colorized, hologram.

[thin dirge]

Its from that very old concept art where the Prince recieves the flame from Megabird. The creatures get the flame at the same time too

[fringe hare]

Hm? I took that screenie right now

[rigid mural]

Not pictured but indeed below that hologram: you can see ancestors bowing, kneeling or worshipping.

[polar veldt]

Oo ya

[polar veldt]

What in the honk am I looking at

[distant turtle]

Oh, it’s an AI art website that produces an image in a couple minutes from any text prompt

[polar veldt]

Wow

[frigid tinsel]

Blinking irl must bother you /j

[hushed steeple]

Oh! Those are actually the shots I needed! Mind if I use one of those for my king comp?

[limber coral]

I didn't know that this huge light creature lives in wasteland.

[robust flare]

The circle also represents the megabird, so I believe there's a bigger connection between the king and Megabird. I also noticed that the "light" objective bears strong resemblance to the season of prophecy symbol

Maybe I'm wrong, but I keep digging for a connection between Megabird and king. I strongly feel that they are nearly the same being, and yet also separate if that makes sense

[hushed steeple]

I never seen Mega represented as a circle. A kinda....soft edged triangle....all the time! But if you have new examples of circle mega, I wish to look at them too!

[robust flare]

Here's some concept art with a circle representing the megabird, as well as a sketch I did (from memory, so might not be totally accurate) of the light symbol and prophecy symbol

I probably should have just shared the image. Instead of taking a screenshot (never mind. Can't figure it out on my phone)

There we go https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5cf9836e9d1c5200018df596/1582059227858-CUIVDBBYNBHR75LESQYQ/065_Sky.jpg?format=1500w

[hushed steeple]

Ahhhh, the shape language. I took that to mean the general design, has light things being rounder than dark things as visual language.

which is funny because in other medias light is depicted sharp and pointed and dark is depicted round and globular.

[robust flare]

I thought it was probably a symbol as well since the end of eden has the large circle of light

[hushed steeple]

Orbit nest! I think it appears on the china server map as well. Ironically, it looks like a biblical angel

[robust flare]

I didn't know it had a name! (even if it isn't an official name). That's cool though 😄

[fringe hare]

King comp?

[hushed steeple]

Yeah, my compilation of potential king/light/prophecy symbols and king/prince concept art. I want to add the one under office isle too!

[west basin]

you ever watch the crabs taking the time to flip one another back over after we knock them down and wonder if we’re actually doing a good thing by flipping them

[polar veldt]

Ever wonder why the crabs are angry? I think we kinda did something to their ancestor's bell shape shells from switch released trailer(Not canon just a joke¯_(ツ)_/¯)

[hushed steeple]

I'd love to hear some theories on what each realm represents.... I've already grasped the concept of each realm being a phase in life but I wanna hear what you guys think

[robust flare]

Omg. This is brilliant! There's some things there I didn't relate to king!

Oh, I think I know of something else you could add! There's a video with a different king statue

[hushed steeple]

Amoeba been adding suggestions too. Im trying to avoid stuff thats too similar to what I already have, but im up for any more suggestions too.

[robust flare]

I remembered it looking different, so I'll look at other videos as well. Might just have remembered wrong though. https://youtu.be/bQjP_KRBEoU

[fringe hare]

Ahh I see I see, yeah feel free

[hushed steeple]

Oh! I got that one already. Its by the king statue diagram near the top.

I wish there was a season that re-added some of the old light awaits stuff. Specifically the old isle and prarie.

[robust flare]

Oh I see now! Missed it. Really blends with its background

[hushed steeple]

Old isle and prairie (mountain isle and prairie with more complex village islands) are much preferred. So beautiful

[robust flare]

I have been hoping that when Sky dies (😭😭😭), TGC will release all the older versions

[frigid tinsel]

I think it’s cos crabs are not necessarily corrupted like krills but rather infected by darkness. Like rabies, in a sense. they’re covered in bits of darkness but, unlike other light creatures who are captured or petrified by darkness, are animate. Passive crabs, like by the bonfire in graveyard or in the Office, are clean of darkness. So crabs are just irritated and hostile.

[tulip aspen]

yepyep if you ever fly from valley temple to wasteland social, that guy can be seen diving in and out of the clouds for a second

most people dont notice it happens apparently, but it scared the megan out of me when i was a moff @_@

[rigid mural]

I thought it was a krill when I was a moth. I heard of but never saw them so... I was in for a surprise when I braved the whirlpool xD

[tidal valve]

Also, if you look at crabs closely you can kinda see that they are actually filled with light, their eyes emit a soft white glow

Krill on the other hand have bright blue eyes, so it’s clear they aren’t filled with light

Just an observarion? Might be looking to much into things

[tidal valve]

The king eating pure light could be the blessings he receives from each of the trials that granted him power?

[distant turtle]

mega (art generated by AI)

[tidal valve]

megabird showing American pride? bald eagle noise

You know bald eagles actually sound more like seagulls, the bold eagle you hear is actually the call of the Australian wedgetailed eagle, or the giant black bird we have here I forgot the namE

[distant turtle]

Oh man now that you mention it 🤦‍♂️

[tidal valve]

Australia just has all the chad animals lmao

[distant turtle]

It may possibly not be intended as eating, but it's unsettling the way the King is kneeling with a wide eye and wide open mouth. It might represent obsession.

[nimble ingot]

I like to think is it him holding onto something so powerful and he could not handle it.
If the king is bigger than the other elder, then that orb must be absolutely massive.

(Theorising that could be the eye of the megabrid)

[rigid mural]

Maybe it's the flame granted by Megan ?

[tidal valve]

I thought the king was the smallest of them all?

bite sized haha

[nimble ingot]

you are thinking of the Sky Prince.

[rain pond]

chat

if you print this image below and give it to a certain person you will learn the sky lore

/j

[nimble ingot]

what would you like to know?

[rain pond]

sky lore textsky lore textsky lore text

[nimble ingot]

There was some written sky language in the concept art for sky, though (as far as I am aware of) there is on written language in the game. Other than the murals of the all elders cutscene of vault of knowledge.

credit to, someone on this channel

[rain pond]

what is a "stupa"
also the "sky lore text" is a joke

[nimble ingot]

lol, I wasn't sure, so played along.

According to the wiki, a stupa means 'heap' in Sanskrit. It is a place where either the dead can be buried, or an artefact can be placed in. It can also be a monument to pray at.

[rigid mural]

There was this tumblr post

[tulip aspen]

oh wowwww

ive never thought about/realized the spirits with bigger body types are still applied to the theme of labor even now in the game :0

[tidal valve]

The first one looks like the questgiver haha

[tulip aspen]

damn lamed used to be, ahem, very different

and look the elders are all wearing ancestor clothing (so actual handmade fabric)

if that's truly what the elders looked like before they died (except lamed lol) they really were solid and alive

i had thought maybe they just existed in their mindspace and and appeared to ancestors when they meditated at the elder's throne

[tidal valve]

It’s cool there’s written language, I feel like they intended sky to be on a different console/ platform since there was such large and ambitious ideas in concept art

I feel like due to budget they had to aim for mobile, journey had huge budget issues too

Maybe not though

[nimble ingot]

in the old lore, they would have been ancestors that became elders.

[tulip aspen]

ohhh thats true

it did seem to change, especially according to the intro

after all, the elders changed a million times over during these concepts

[tidal valve]

Also interesting how warrior and intellectual both have the diamond symbol/ king symbol?

Like how they are working under/ for the king or the newer technology at least

[tulip aspen]

labor has it too tho it looks like

[tidal valve]

Forest elder used to be so sassy with their umbrella

[tidal valve]

Yes but it’s smaller and less pronounced

Labour has a small diamond, no circle in the middle

Intellectual has the largest diamond, with the circle in the middle

Warrior has a large diamond but no circle

Perhaps emphasis on their roles/ hiearchy within their systems?

[tulip aspen]

@_@ her concept scares me so much she basically was just a LoZ skullkid trying to lure you into murder holes to see if you were "worthy" of escaping the forest or not

[tulip aspen]

its the knowledge diamonds

warrior and labor represent the diamond shells we see the knowledge stored in at vault, it shapes the Light, giving it form, holding it all together, providing relevance

and intellectual represents what is stored inside that shell, all the collective knowledge and power of the ancients

[tidal valve]

That’s an interesting way of looking at it! I also feel like the size of the diamond could be the relevernce to the king and their position

As the intellectual could be working directly under the king whearas the warrior and labour are further below those potistions

[tidal valve]

Haha forest elder gives you 3 days?

They’ll probably change it due to player feedback! I personally like it because ||it has a closer shape to a boat rudder||, also... I think beta spoilers aren’t super allowed here

[tulip aspen]

yeah delete the messages guys before non beta people get mad
@fallow pasture

[tidal valve]

Pervious forest design was all about illusion and mischeif, so it works in the old forest elder design, trees and stumps where made to look like other sky children to steer you to the wrong path

[fallow pasture]

Sorry I read spoilers in title chat

[tulip aspen]

its okay lol everyone's made the mistake before

[tulip aspen]

the reason I point it out, is because it'd be highly relevant to know just how physical the elders were even in the more 'complete' story

ancestors crashlanded here, torn from the Sky
skykids crashlanded on purpose, sent by it

Elders were sent by the Sky too, but they probably didnt crashland like the ungraceful skykids lolol

so it begs the question of exactly how they appeared here in the kingdom

did they just materialize here, teleport here, descend to here?

seeing as they are moreso just deities now in the proper version of the game, perhaps their anatomy is meant to never truly be explained...

[tidal valve]

Don’t worry to much about it!! (-: there’s a quick guide on what spoilers are relevant here

office
eden

beta isn’t relevant since it’s not in the global servers yet! but it’s fun to keep those screenshots in your pockets for when those things arrive <33

[tulip aspen]

there's plenty of room to chat about beta in #beta-discussion

[tidal valve]

well, ancestors and spirits can’t be elders, so how does an elder end up becoming born?

[fallow pasture]

Oh thanks so much @tidal valve

[tidal valve]

If I had a lore question to ever be answered would be

The exsistence of winged light

The origin of the elders

I personally don’t anazlye the intros too much since I find the old intro super confusing, I remember when I first played sky in gratitude the old intro confused me so much I just ignored it lol

[tulip aspen]

yeah...
the devs confirmed the elders are a completely different "species" but we know they are from the Sky too, so ive just been assuming to define that line as a difference in how they came here, as well as, obviously, their powers

because we dont see them ever need to actually ascend, my theory is that they already have long since been in the Sky, and you just contact them in their mindscape at their thrones, so that they may activate their power and ascend spirits and you

i strongly believe in that theory even without evidence ngl, but then there's the matter of the past, and if they were always just some deities in the Sky that are met through meditation at their altars, or if the Sky truly descended them to live physically among the spirits

it really does have to be the latter, as we know flight lady was basically adopted by prarry elder, tsadi fought alongside his warriors, and lamed worked beside the priests in vault to store and archive knowledge

[tidal valve]

I think the devs confirmed somewhere that elders exsisted somewhere beyond the sky world, on another plane?

even though, you don’t have to be there physically in order to make a relevenrce in the world

they could litteraly by there in spirit? Connected through their temples/ shrines

I’d assume from the intro that elders are the ones that help keep the constellations together, they all have a small job like how prarie helped with migration

so maybe they are just somewhere apart of the constellation, I don’t think we really have much concept art proof of elders exsisting alongside spirits

There is art of isle leading a boat with a sky kid inside, but that’s inside their temple, so that could just be in spirit

If the elders are only there in spirit it would make sense that they have messangers/ spirits that work directly underneath them

That is, if the elder mask/ spirit theory is correct

[tulip aspen]

its in the in game murals

we see vault elder activating crystals alongside the priests, and wasteland elder going to war

[tidal valve]

How did I miss that lmao, must be me rocketing through vault,

Sorry vault grandma

[tulip aspen]

i think it's still 'correct', as in the elders will need deacons to speak for them when they are really busy

they do serve as basically Lords of the entire kingdom after all

to me those 'elder masks' are just specialized priests for the elders (not related to the priests for the vault)

[frigid tinsel]

reminder that this is concept art. Zhao was one among many who were designing what the elders would look like and we know those designed changed frequently. it's likely whatever background they had in concept is not canon in the present

[tulip aspen]

yes someone already reminded me that right below my message lol

even so, it coooould be possible, which is what i was observing, ig lolol

many of the concepts fit and match perfectly as tangible evidence to many of our credible theories, and this seems like it could possibly be one of them

since it's the only image we've ever seen of the like however, yeah it's prolly not that substantial, especially since people have confirmed during that stage of development elders were prolly just powerful ancestors

[tulip aspen]

hurgo

(wait... is that in game?)

[thin dirge]

Oh, noticed there was a conversation here with Ash about the intro once...

I guess Ash's statements about the intro not changing at all, only changed the wording of it was also actually a theory I had before about the intro.

My theory was that the current intro was the whole story given into more detail. It didn't change the lore at all. The fall of the stars because of darkness didnt exactly happen BEFORE the Kingdom...

"With the stars fallen, our light was infinite. But darkness came, and the stars fell."
"The fallen stars made home amongst the clouds. *If only they listened."
*My theory was that the text here actually referring back to the first line of the intro.
The first lines of the intro didnt happen BEFORE the Kingdom, but was actually describing how that Kingdom fell.

This would mean that the intro hasnt changed at all in the beginning.

What about the "Fallen stars" in the secons part right after the fall that was described? I thought that was how the ancestors were born into the physical world of Sky. Like souls going down to the Earth to be born, just like we were....

Of course, I could be wrong. After all, darkness has always existed in Sky as long as light exists. So there may have been a fall that happened before the kingdom fell

Unless..... Its that balance and competition between light and darkness is actually what causes stars to fall and be born into the physical world of Sky in the first place....

Ooh, new theory! This is why I like talking in theory discussions, cause I tend to discover new ones along the way, lol

[tulip aspen]

thats an amazing explanation of the stars falling switching order and you're honestly so correct

it very very likely was always talking about the fall at the beginning of the intro in the og, in which case, no wonder they needed to change it

we're really understanding a lot more about this

that coupled with my new analysis on who the voice is works wonders to finally recovering the tale in a much more feasible way

this is fantastic

im just so happy we're making ground

[thin dirge]

This was a theory I had even before the intro changed, haha....

Though, I sort of worded it differently, so I guess back then it made people more confused or ppl disagreed back then

The new intro just solidified it more in a way. Tho, I do recall the new intro did also make me change some of my interpretations of Sky too.... Mightve been something with that theory or not, I cant remember anymore. Its been too long

[tulip aspen]

what was happening to my message whoa

i totally wouldnt have aggressively disagreed with you back then, ofc not @_@

[thin dirge]

While a lot of the lore peeps here preferred the old intro back then, I really was glad they changed it into what it is now. Because it gave a more solid background of Sky and made it much more clear. It also even gave some evidence to the Megabird theory I had.

I remember when the new intro came, I deleted Sky to temporarily be a moth and play through the new intro. I noticed no one talked about it here at the time, sooo

Tho, it was a long time ago, my memory might be inaccurate @_@

[tulip aspen]

as happy as I am that we are solidifying the concrete definition and timeline of what's going on in the intro, I still hate the apocalypse being referenced as "the Stars falling"

its extremely misleading in it's own right seeing as even now that theme still has so many other meanings for sky

CHANGE IT A 3RD TIME TGC /hj

[thin dirge]

Hmmm... I feel like the stars falling was directly caused by the bad things that happened in the Kingdom. The last event, I mean. And this time, it didnt just affect the Kingdom, but Megabird itself as well. Those stars were up in the sky, meaning they shouldve been part of Megabird already

The fact that the stars literally fell, the equivalent of probably being knocked out of your resting place in heaven, is a sign that whatever caused it, probs related to the Kingdom itself, mustve been really, REALLY bad.

So to say the "fall" of the Kingdom was the fall of the stars perhaps isnt too inaccurate

The fall of the stars seems like the last event of the Kingdom's fall. And the fact they fell means that the event that caused it have also impacted Megabird/the Light. So yeah. Really bad

[tulip aspen]

but the stars falling, creates a picture of like an actual meteor shower apocalypse, which is actually the way you just wrote it as well

I dont think thats the case at all, because we see absolutely zilch evidence of anything remotely similar existing, much less being a bad thing

i think their use of that wording of it was absolutely metaphorical tbh, which is why o hate the existence of said wording in the intro

[thin dirge]

The fall of the stars has been depicted everywhere as the main event of the fall tho. In the old intro, in the new intro, and even the Nintendo trailer, its all depicted the same.

And you know what stars are in Sky? Spirits. The stars in Sky are actually Spirits. The same ones you see, on the ground, that you need to relive memories to send them back to the sky.

A fall definitely happened if they're supposed to be up in the sky in their constellations. Plus, Ash may have hinted that there's meant to be more spirits than what appears to be in-game.

[tulip aspen]

in the nintendo trailer??
i dont recall...

also i mean actual themes, otherwise all we see it in is the intro

look how skykids fall to the earth, how the ancestors got here in the first place

the apocalypse is supposed to be themed after eden, otherwise, this "fall of stars" and the eye of eden dont even correlate or sync up at all story wise

[rigid mural]

What if the stars that fell, if they were indeed ancestors, were already dead before that hypothetical cataclysm ? After all, our goal is to reascend them and see them again in orbit, it's possible that while the living were in the realms we go through, the dead became stars.

What if the falling stars were dead ancestors knocked out of orbit & haunting the realms. This could have been quite a blatant sign to those that were alive something is gone very wrong.

Up to skykids to pick them back up and bring them to the elders so they can be sent back among the stars (with scotch tape or better glue so they don't fall back down).

That could explain the more modern attire of seasonal spirits, who may have come back down to tell their stories with the seasons and unveiled new areas, and are probably from a later era than the base spirits.
After all, it's in flight we get our first nod to Eden from spirits.

[tulip aspen]

thatd be really pseudo and trippy

ive always thought it was more face value than that, but who knows at this point @_@

[rigid mural]

What the hell ? Okay...

[tulip aspen]

no im saying it could likely be that as the answer, id just have never thought of it

at this point all of my ideas are null possibly, if butter is right

[rigid mural]

Ohhhhh ok, I thought trippy was negative, sorry about that !

[distant turtle]

The thing about the old intro is that the words go along with visuals which show the constellations dissolving, and the stars falling to the clouds, landing in the Sky realm, and then forming a new home in the clouds.

[thin dirge]

Yeah, its depicted in the Nintendo Trailer at the ending

[distant turtle]

“Who are you?”
“✨…”

[thin dirge]

Watch the Nintendo Trailer at the timestamp 2:10. It depicted a starfall event at that scene.

Here

Actual footage from the Nintendo trailer towards the end, right before it shows a desrted Isle of Dawn....

[tulip aspen]

im fairly certain those are depicting the skykids falling, long after the apocalypse

after all they make one specific star have more importance, and i had assumed that last star signifies you as your character joining the skykids in the kingdom searching for spirits

[orchid jolt]

ah, this reminds me of a theory i have

since we can't help a spirit ascend for another player, or help to save the statues for another player, perhaps each modern sky kid has their own "universe", or world of sky, and skykids sort of exist in more than one universe at a time. so we can help other sky kids but only the sky kid of that universe can save the spirits, elders, and statues (also whatever else) of the universe

[rigid mural]

Not sure if I explain my point well...

And like, that separation can get pretty muddy, all you need to know is that some dead ancestors could have been pushed out of the sky and seen by newer ancestors.

_ _
Of course, Ushering Stargazer's memory hints fallen stars are sky kids (hence maybe the statue depicting one in prairie ?) so it's not a theory whose hill I would die on.

[thin dirge]

You sure? Because Spirits too are stars, and you see them scattered everywhere on the ground, with the mission to save them. It makes much more sense to me if they have fallen, which is why we come into the picture

[thin dirge]

This is exactly my theory on the fallen stars. They're actually stars that have already ascended to Megabird, but got knocked out for some unknown reasons, possibly related to darkness.

It also explains the timelines of some spirits like Stargazer, who apparently was alive from the VERY BEGINNING of the Kingdom, and we know the Kingdom lasted for a loooongg time, probs even for thousands of years considering how it evolved through phases. So its impossible for that spirit to have lived till that time and died during the fall of the Kingdom, so its most likely she already ascended long before then.

Most of the spirits we know seems to have already lived their lives and passed on long before the fall of the Kingdom. Yet, we find that they have fallen and need saving....

This means that the fallen stars were actually spirits that have ascended long ago, but somehow fell off

[rigid mural]

The most haunting spirit for a modern ancestor to cross would probably be tearful light miner ngl.

[thin dirge]

Now that I just got a new (accidental) theory on why Ancestors are born into the physical world, it might be related to that, but gone awfully wrong....

[distant turtle]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f0XBmzddf40 This early promo video supports your idea that the constellations were ancestors of the living who had passed on.

[mystic cosmos]

I found never noticed this statue before! It’s in the daylight prairie

[rigid mural]

• the stars all fell in the span of one night
• you play a child of light
• the storm is your destination to restore the light
• CotL is apparently one of many chapters to come to the world of Sky (is it referencing the many seasons or hinting at upcoming games set in Sky ?)
• Ancestors are called Star Spirits
• Imprints of the Children of the light "help you return to the world when you're overcome by darkness"
• The music sheets are from the world of sky (so they are ancestral songs !)

Must have been super creepy to see the sky empty itself of stars in one night...

[tulip aspen]

I'm not sure if the cinematic implies that the stars all fell in one night I'm pretty sure it's just a visual gratification

[rigid mural]

Jenova Chen himself says "one night, the stars fell" (paraphrasing the second half)

[tulip aspen]

by the way guys does this mean my entire research document is just completely thrown away /:

[tulip aspen]

it's still just seems so

like I don't know, we, I just have never really gone into detail about thinking about the apocalypse because the apocalypse just is so bland even now with what you guys are saying, but at least we had thought it was about the Crystal and about eden, not about whatever this is

(also that quote could be about just the first time it starts happening, whatever it is

[rigid mural]

The wording makes it at least sound sudden.

[tulip aspen]

that sounds so bizarre from a story perspective imo

like I don't know you guys are on a roll right now and it really does sound like it's plausible and just debunking the hell out of my ideas, but if it's true, from a story perspective.....

[tulip aspen]

I mean yeah one wave of them maybe

not all of them though, right?
after all there are still stars in the sky

even at launch there were

[tidal valve]

you can see scantuary spirits at the end of the final quest in flight! Including the scant questgiver

Whenever people discus intros I get so confused lmao

[tulip aspen]

so what you guys are saying TGC did

is that there was a kingdom
there needs to be no logical explanation for this Kingdom it just existed
the kingdom died a long time ago and everyone died a long time ago and then ascended

but then they fell again somehow so then they didnt ACTUALLY ascend so that detail as a story plot doesn't actually matter yet we just talked about it anyways

and then now that they fell again we have to go help them

[tidal valve]

not related to this discussion, and also a super well known thing, spirits have families and children! How did I not see this

The little baby spirit awweee

[rigid mural]

He litterally says all the stars 😂
"And one night, all the stars are gone missing."
Nothing says the first moth at launch was the first skykid within the setting too...

[thin dirge]

We're not saying its the only event that happened in the "apocalypse". I dont think it is, but I believe its one of the main events that happened as a result of the "apocalypse" rather than being the "apocalypse" itself

[tidal valve]

STOP NOT THE BABY QUESTGIVER CRAB

[tulip aspen]

o
and yeah you're right we'll never know that the first player wasn't the first guy kid

I suppose I believe way too strongly in my head Canon that every player is Canon even in the eyes of every other player

[thin dirge]

Fun fact: The kid is probably the Non-Seasonal QG that appears in between Seasons as a kid

[rigid mural]

[neat flint]

We won't see anymore

[tidal valve]

Lmao, now he’s retired job stolen by rock

[thin dirge]

[tulip aspen]

so the Stars fell as a result of something
did the kingdom do that or some evil magical Darkness, or

[neat flint]

Natural disaster maybe?

[tidal valve]

Patch notes said that he’s on a long deserved vacation (-,: we do not have to worry anymore lol

[rigid mural]

Begging to see them hang out in random realms. We really need spirits just hanging out.

[distant turtle]

I think they hang out in the stars

[rigid mural]

:(

[tidal valve]

Would be cool if they walked around like Samantha and the other spirit from days of mischeif

But I also like them just being frozen, I mean... they are.... dead? Corrupted?? stuck?? Idk

[distant turtle]

There is a good livestream that explains this a lil

[tidal valve]

Ooohh link? Summary pleaassee

[thin dirge]

I just created a new theory (accidentally) just earlier when I was talking about the Intro. The theory was that people in Sky were born into the physical world because of darkness, and thus is the reason why stars "fall", to be born. Its more like light and darkness working in tandem with each other.

But the fall of the Kingdom cause darkness to be excessive, so excessive that stars that were meant to stay with the Megabird all fell.

[rigid mural]

I need to start digging through streams tbh

[thin dirge]

Wait, wait, could that be why Prince came into the world in the first place? To be the center of that cycle between light and darkness

Oh my gosh, even more pieces are starting to come together now

[tulip aspen]

its just so much @_@

[distant turtle]

There is a google doc by the name of "canon lore doc" if you search in discord. This is one of the streams. Skip to 22 min 15 seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZ0qBJQ0auw&t=22m15s

[thin dirge]

Ooh, everything's starting to make sense, and why our skid was considered to be a mix of light and dark, and why ancestors were also considered dark...

[neat flint]

So it's like let's create a new being and let the kingdom falls then make them restore it?

[thin dirge]

Uhh

[rigid mural]

People talk clearly challenge please, my poor non-native speaker ears 😭
Can someone tell me what the man says at 24:12 ? Can't tell.........

[thin dirge]

I mean, due to the balance between light and dark, spirits are born into the physical world of Sky, and live in the world kinda like us humans. Their spirits are that fo light, but their physical bodies are sort of darkness. And unlike light, that body is temporary, and when they pass on, they eventually ascend back to the Megabird.

Thats where Prince comes in. They were meant to help this cycle continue. Probs being the one to help them ascend back to the skies, as well as bringing in light, balance, etc

But uh, from what I can see, this balance broke. And it wasnt great.....

Wow, this brings me back to my first ever Sky theory when I was new to the lore server..... It all comes back full circle...

[distant turtle]

He speaks very quickly so there is a lot to transcribe at that part. Hold on and I will copy the youtube transcript and correct it.

[rigid mural]

"They were once united in the stars [unintelligible] something bad happened and now they're trapped"
Something about piecing their memories together [again, could not understand] and bringing them your light to redeem them and reunite them with the stars.

Something Something the need to move on for them ?

[thin dirge]

Its the "Darkness Pollution Theory". That using light as a fuel source in Diamonds creates darkness, like pollution or smoke from burning fossil fuels.

Yes, this was my first ever theory in lore chat

[tidal valve]

I was talking about spirit memories and my sister had a really interesting question!

Is the memory we relive from spirits their strongest/ happiest memory

Or their last memory?

Like some spirits have sad memories like tearful light miner, so even though it’s not happy, it still have a very strong emotion

[distant turtle]

"So the story of the spirits is that they were once connected united in the stars and something bad happened and they became trapped and so you'll find them in the world and kind of piecing together their memories and finding there some trapped soul(s) and you bring your light to them so that they can be redeemed and be united in the stars. And so there is this need to kind of move on for them but that's not to say that once they're back up in the stars like as we're saying here that they can't then be called back down so as you go and you initially go save the spirits throughout the world and unite them, going forward we can look for opportunities to sorta bring those spirits back into the world and take advantage of them and kind of include them in sort of more parts of the world"

[rigid mural]

Thank you so much !

[hushed steeple]

Why have I never seen that livestream it looks like gold

[tulip aspen]

thats even more convoluted tho

idk, it sounds like so much bulk and twist and turning

and maybe it's what TGC's story is, but it still is just... confusing

[rigid mural]

Most civilization-ending events cannot simply be summarized.

I like to look at it from a more... surreal POV
Light pollution or just regular pollution clouds can make nights look starless, maybe the devs got inspired by that to symbolize an industrial society (dark stone and its pollution) losing touch with their roots and what made them feel fulfilled (the stars that fell who might have been dead ancestors).

Until a new hope rekindles a flame and helps the spirits move on from their guilt and regret, a bandage on a healing wound and world.

[tulip aspen]

okay but a story like this will keep away anyone who simply wants to know what happened

which means it will keep an actual story separated from the face value narrative of the actual game, a narrative which could have possibly been put into actual story content and maybe even an ending later into the game's life

we'll never get that from this idea, because you wont be able to explain this much convolution in game ever

that's just how i feel tho of course

[rigid mural]

Considering the stages of life/time of day/stages of a civilization correspondences of each realm, I feel like Sky has merit in being full of metaphors. It wouldn't do the game justice to not read into these deeper concepts when analyzing the plot imo

Because as much as we're promised more lore, there's so much you can say without words. Everything not explicitly written is up to interpretation, and so we resort to metaphors and recurring themes to deepen the meaning of this story.

It's getting late so basically: I think dismissing those aspects of the game analysis will make you miss out so many possibilities. But that's just my grain of salt.

Like idk, flight season ? Set in forest, and like the other season set there, it links different areas together in a confusing way at first that players can get used to and find helpful later on.

Forest represents teenagehood, a confusing time where your world is opening up in an overwhelming way and you have to face drastic changes, as well as outside pressure. It's (wrongfully imo) assumed to be the time where you pick how you will live the rest of your life (see all the exams and pressure to get a job and out of the house).

It kind of fits the treehouse being a hub that gives access to the rest of the forest, in a "revisiting childhood" way where you're building a treehouse, and flight literally giving access to the rest of the realms.

Interestingly, the difficulties building the treehouse you encounter comes from the forest itself and people not helping so it rings more like a story about younger teens, while the climax of flight comes from the Golden Wasteland, which someone pointed out could be akin to pressure from the adults that are authority figures in your life, which is even more blatant for late teens that are getting ready to fledge.

Now why am I telling you all this ? Because you can use that to... figure out how a civilization reacting to big changes felt. The struggle, the pressure, the first serious difficulties of the game too...

Maybe the conversion to dark stone powered machinery was far from smooth. A fledgling technology with a lot of expectations put on it perhaps ? Maybe there was a struggle between engineers who dreamed about a more advanced society (and got it ! look at how pretty Valley is), and more rural folks who really didn't trust novel things that they rightfully were afraid could be destructive when handled improperly...

It's about young folks discovering tools and societies maturing. It's about a life and lives.
You're right, this is super vague and admittedly you strike me as the kind to prefer crunchy lore you know is solid bases to figure out what devs know.

But man. I'm kinda passionate about how the devs made a story full of its own symbolism that can resonate with everyone. Art book when, I want to see it aaaall

[hushed steeple]

Me, a moth reading the lore

[frigid tinsel]

I haven’t been feeling well enough to enter the conversation but I love what I’ve been reading, you guys are awesome

[narrow fable]

Non-metaphysical question here. What are all those spiky things on the battlefield at the end of GW? I see machetes/swords and spears, but are the spiky things barricades? Thoughts?

[rigid mural]

I think these are meant to be barricades yes ! I recall seeing someone use that as proof the assailants from the wasteland war went by foot since airborne soldiers would just fly over.

[narrow fable]

That makes sense, thanks!

[harsh pecan]

Lol-

[static meteor]

i've only barely skimmed the surface of lore, but i replayed the beginning and this is what I sort of gathered: (as a new player)

Sky kids come down from the heavens, and there's a lot of "star" terminology used with them

Spirits were once united "under the stars"

When I first played through the game, my thoughts were that the Spirits were the same species as the sky kids, but just that they'd died;

Now I'm thinking maybe the Spirits and the Sky Kids are a completely different species to one another

And the Elders seem to have the same bodily structure as the Sky Kids, despite having endured the same disaster as the Spirits

is it possible that the Elders and Sky Kids are the embodiment of light (which is considered sacred to the Spirits, who were also seen harvesting light and caring for light creatures)?

And is it possible that the Spirits worship and depend on the sky kids and elders as leaders and guides because they're literally made of light?

[static meteor]

^^^^^

[harsh pecan]

Oooooo nice analysis! Also you said you’re new to lore so I suggest you read this doc :)

Hello new Lore Moff!
Read this short document to get started! Once you’ve read this, check out pins for more information.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18B1-SKG3toG0oH0VhOWC5o-cG9u0STAN92QvmbhTDto/edit

credits to Bricky

[static meteor]

OUUU THANK YOU
I also scrolled up and found more interesting stuff, and now I have a new theory-
im very interested in all this and god i hope tgc gives us some lore tidbits soon bc i am hungry

[thin dirge]

Dont give the doc to every moff tho, I think we were suggested not to by Elders here unless we're asked to, since it can overwhelm new lore moffs and stuff like thay

[static meteor]

no pls send, pls

[static meteor]

would it ve possible for you to send me direct links here to the discord links the file gave? They're not working for me

[thin dirge]

Yeah, dont worry, just a reminder though

[harsh pecan]

I see

[harsh pecan]

Wait a moment

[thin dirge]

Yeah, thats why its not really given out that much anymore. And the canon lore doc as well

[static meteor]

thank you!

either way i'm glad you sent it, it sums it up quite nicely
in fact not having it listed like that was what was overwhelming to me, the doc helped a lot

[fickle wing]

ngl id take the lore doc w a grain of salt
iirc a handful of things aren’t sourced n r thought to have been made up like the whole king isn’t around 2 b saved bit

actually that part still irks me since
you do sorta save the king/prince ingame so???? glowy fella at the end of eden is him so

man we rlly need a revised lore doc w more in-depth info or something since a lot of the things in the one folks pass around a bunch to ppl new to the lore is pretty vague in some sections

[icy spruce]

ye, plus the lore doc is fanmade so there might be mistakes

[fickle wing]

exactly

but yeah a lot of the info is p vague w how it phrases and sources stuff like played an important role in x and y is seen a handful of times so ????? maybe
whoever wrote this doc n all that jazz could’ve explained exactly what they did

anyways funky forest elder concept amiright

[static meteor]

omg

that's really cool actually

here's a quick question, are the spirits dead? Can they see us/interact with us?

[tidal valve]

I think spirits are corrupted/ trapped in a spiritual body, we help burn the corruption so they can return home to the stars

I think ash came in and said that our actions did help rebuild the windpaths, and in the cutscenes our sky kid does interact with the spirits and the questgiver

Corruption spirit concept art (I’ll try and get the thing ash said)

[harsh pecan]

Forest Elder Umbrella Dancer supremacy

[static meteor]

ouh so, does that mean the flight spirits were just vibing in the windpaths this whole time? Like living there or smth? And yet why are they still shown bein corrupted- im kinda lost abt that part

[static meteor]

that image do be a little crunchy ngl, hard to read it

[static meteor]

im guessing they were only shown like that to be consistent w the rest of the game, but still trips me up a lot

also the implication that all the spirits are just reliving old memories is. honestly a very lonely feeling. We're going through a kingdom that's been made empty by the disaster and we're freeing up the windpaths for spirits who cannot use them

but i guess that's why there's so much emphasis on finding light within each other when you're surrounded by darkness

[tulip aspen]

sorry, I'm really confused, how do the metaphors relate to the plot line convolution

[tulip aspen]

definitely, yeah

[tulip aspen]

i still dont see how that relates to my question, but you certainly write as gracefully as ever lol

[rigid mural]

It was 5am and I took a bajillion paragraphs to say that the plot line is not that simple & that reading it as a metaphor is just as interesting, my apologies.
Vela cringe moments

[tulip aspen]

it certainly was an amazing piece of writing
we all get those 5 am moments, fellow writer pat pat

yours are probably the best ive seen in a long time tho

well now that the heat is over, i still dont see there being enough substantial evidence for the stars falling (as an apocalyptic event 😬 ) being the spirits falling.... after having already ascended... after already building the kingdom

it certainly hold a lot more ground now than it did, say, 6 hours ago lol

definitely a lot to think about
let's hope we find more evidence for or against it soon

[rigid mural]

I mean, like I said, it's possible the permanent spirits are older and part of the crowd that originally fell, hence why they need the elders to take them in their constellation while seasonal ones still got theirs.

[tulip aspen]

perhaps

you do have a point in that ive never thought about the fact that seasonal spirits have a separated constellation

[distant turtle]

I think the Elders aka Ancients fell, then helped the ancestor people build the kingdom (original intro cutscene). Ancestors ascend to the stars at the end of their lives with the help of the Elders. The cataclysm occurs more or less around the time the ancestors’ stars fall (current intro and Switch cinematic trailer) and so there are only spirits left.

[distant turtle]

That line supposedly comes from a particular Japanese language TGC livestream. This one, in fact: https://youtu.be/12iKbUJRiy0

[tulip aspen]

elders werent mentioned in the first intro fam

[distant turtle]

In that Japanese livestream, the developers call the falling stars the elders, and something about how in that cutscene they landed where each of the temples would be built.

I don’t speak the language and I’m only relying on the google auto translation and the description in the so called canon lore doc

[compact shale]

I heard that the JP translations are done in-house, so they might say something different

Should we really be taking the translations into account? The English one is the official one, right?

[distant turtle]

Even without language, the original intro cutscene shows the 6 constellations fading into six stars. which fall, and then the 6 temple icons appear where the 6 stars landed.

[compact shale]

But that's the original intro. How about the current intro? Is that scene retconned?

[distant turtle]

It seems the answer as to a retcon of the intro was a no from Ash: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[rigid mural]

I can't check the names, are they devs or localisation employees ? Cos it could have been a mistake, I know the japanese intro has a pretty different tone so...

[distant turtle]

One of them is Yui Tanabe, a lead artist

[rigid mural]

They should do a strict lore Q&A someday

[rigid mural]

Ohhh nevermind then. I will just need a transcript, to translate it. Might need a japanese speaker...

[naive sequoia]

Also, about the "And the stars fell." portion, it may be that this was phrased this way so that it conveys how sudden the incident was?

It was being told in a folk lore-ish kind of way so I just thought that maybe it was a bit exagerated

[naive sequoia]

No one really was mentioned specifically, except about the "stars" so now we're all speculating on who the stars are

[distant turtle]

This is a great interview with Jenova Chen. I skipped around and found 57:20 was a nice tidbit. He’s talking about Journey but the same thing happens in Golden Wasteland. The fact that the mountain is not visible at this midlife crisis part represents doubt about whether the goals in life were right.
https://youtu.be/4zJdF0z2ppU

[tulip aspen]

the apocalypse is the stars

the speculation about the falling stars being the ancestors is fine and interesting, but realistically we have nilch proof towards anything of the sort until further notice

[robust flare]

I thought I'd share some thoughts I had. I was thinking about the possibility of children of light existing before we existed, and kinda connecting it to the trials. There's a lot of questions I have though

A lot of this I have decided can't be the case. I think before the rebirth cycle, there was only one child of light, then more were somehow born? Idk

Also the thing about flame/other sources is off, but I didn't feel like erasing

[hushed steeple]

I don’t quite understand skykid generations theory when skykids are made to reinhabit a ended land, and save the spirits. I think the skykid generation before skykids composed of exactly 1 individual. Otherwise, im not sure why the prophets wouldnt want to use ALL of them in trials instead of only being able to find one.

[steep prawn]

Was there any discussion here about creatures being naturally born in the world and it said it was dev confirmed

[hushed steeple]

Depends on if you mean dark or light creature. Light creatures have a statement about them being born from molecules of light coming together. Dark creatures have a statement about them being corrupted light creatures.

[steep prawn]

it didn’t specify anything just said sky creatures let me show you

[tulip aspen]

actually, we've confirmed my theory about that was incorrect, and that a majority of the test subjects participants of the trials were ancestors, and that yes, there is only one child of the light that would take place where my concept of a "mid-timeline generation" was supposed to be, which is why it is such a big deal stargazer finds them

so to sum it up, we have

the First to Fall (CotL who grew into ancestors)

the Chosen One, who fell long after the kingdom had been built, but during the time it seems to have been needing a ruler

and then skykids/descendants, who are sent a looong time after the kingdom fell apart

[robust flare]

Yeah, I actually don't disagree. It's quite possible there was only one child of light before us. My head gets tangled, which is why I draw everything out. It helps me to remember important details. I write things down, things contradict each other, I use that contradiction to form another theory :D

[steep prawn]

i just wanted to see the dev confirmation if there was

[hushed steeple]

Looks like the source is the launch livestream. This is the recorded quote apparently from there

[steep prawn]

Alright thank you for that

[tulip aspen]

yeah.... no
no dev has ever confirmed that, nor is it widely believed that Beings of Light are born naturally as biological creatures on the planet

all Beings of Light definitely come from the Sky (orbit) as far as we know, and the more physical forms many Beings take, such as ancestors and skykids, seem to form some sort of human shaped shellish casing around them to protect their Flame and give them more physical forms

[robust flare]

I think the bones ARE elder creature bones...the manta bones (vault) also have the wrong number of eyes if I remember right, and yet it's clearly bones from a manta

[tulip aspen]

ohhh thats amazing thanks kamiii

it literally is what I've always said wow who'd've thunk it

just gonna

slip that into my docs real quick ehe

speaking of, i still have to rewrite my intro analysis via butter's new findings

so much to do and so little free time ):

[steep prawn]

Oh i have a question then so at the isle of dawn i’ve been trying to understand what happened before and i found two different things. The ancestors brought these orbs to the elder but there was one that strike me the most the arrival of a sky child with the cutscene

There was a theory where at some point we were just orbs that inhabit a body of dark matter like the crystals in order for us to function properly

but it seemed odd for me if someone before us could arrived with a body already but it seemed like they didn’t have light

[hushed steeple]

It was in the lore doc! You know, the one you, LOOOOOVE so much

[hushed steeple]

It might be the first skykid. A unique individual.

[steep prawn]

so at this point we’re descendants of that child? or rather made in their image

[deep osprey]

YES! THAT IS OUR PARENTS! WE ARE THE CHOSEN ONE!

[hushed steeple]

In a way.....? But maybe not how you think....

[steep prawn]

ohhh okie thank you for this! I really appreciate the information you’ve given!

[deep osprey]

Krills are just dark whales. They're the same size, plus normal whales are really rare.

[deep osprey]

Oh... Well then what DO krills come from?

[steep prawn]

im not sure yet, since i’m trying to find if sky creatures are natural born or artificial (magic not machines) made by the elders or something greater

[deep osprey]

Hmm... Maybe made by elders? We DID witness the Prairie make a butterfly from our flame offering, after all.

[steep prawn]

That is indeed true

[deep osprey]

I'm better off wondering what places looked like before the darkness. The graveyard has a lot of bones in it, suggesting a paradise of light creatures.

Oh speaking of bones of light creatures, the manta skeleton in vault looks hardly anything like a manta. Mantas don't have heads. Their wings are too flexible for a single wingbone. Also the skeleton's vertabrae have little sail things, while mantas are pretty flat in general.

This cannot be a manta.

Sry about crappy handwriting, it's hard to write with my fat finger.

[tulip aspen]

bah humbug xD

either way loredoc or not that is a real dev quote yes?

so its not FROM the lore doc, the lore doc just archived it lolol

[hushed steeple]

Theres a few candidates for uncorrupted krill. A popular one is the switch trailer creature.

[steep prawn]

Oh that one, i was trying to find concept arts of it to understand more

[hushed steeple]

Ta daaa. In pins!

[steep prawn]

WOAH

[hushed steeple]

Yeah, removing the lovely giant horns that reveal them closer to krill, I think it a crime.

[jaunty tapir]

Hmm that's where you get the ghost manta call right? I.. i don't know how it makes sense too haha

[distant turtle]

Close enough

[deep osprey]

Irl mantas and sky mantas are very different.

[steep prawn]

they look more like stingray without the harmful tail

[deep osprey]

Stingrays have more circular "wings"

[steep prawn]

then combination of the two perhaps lmao

[deep osprey]

Why does the first krill area look like a broken version of the forest elder temple

[static meteor]

yoo i've never seen a manta ray skeleton, this is so cool

[tulip aspen]

whoaaaaaaa

that's all bone and fiber????

that's pretty.....

[tulip aspen]

i think that's supposed to be the point 👀

whatever that might mean is up to you

[hushed steeple]

Could both be diamond factories

[shut trellis]

this is a weird question but were the prophecy trials ever, even if in beta, a solo task? like there couldn't be other people there? or was it always a multiplayer thing?
actually it doesnt really matter since currently its multiplayer but i just want to know.

[hushed steeple]

Not that I know of. Might be worth risking spoilers and asking beta chat. Or checking yt for beta videos

[summer moss]

anyone know where i can read an in depth version of the lore from the beginning till whatever we have now?

[frigid tinsel]

if you wanna get that in-depth, you're gonna enter a lot of speculation

[tulip aspen]

you're always free to check out my research!

i use deduction and analysis to rule out unlikely theories making a much tighter window of possibility, so check out my concepts if youre interested

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=1ODQbDWCV3lPLtob_-baBsH1hFI8vQYSp

[compact shale]

Well, there was a concept timeline of events, but as it is a concept, it's hard to figure out how canon it is now.

[tulip aspen]

yes i have been hard debunked, but i put warnings on all currently irrelevant docs (like the intro doc) until i edit it to be in tune with butter's findings

[compact shale]

@tulip aspen @summer moss
Um... This is what I was talking about

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[tulip aspen]

wth ive never seen that :0
is there a...
less blurry version

[nimble ingot]

https://preview.redd.it/30j8jhecfae61.jpg?auto=webp&s=640347c793b27fefca6be29d349ffabbd233e1b8

there you go.

[tulip aspen]

yes thank you!!

[nimble ingot]

no problem. Not sure why discord blurs the image sometimes.

[hushed steeple]

The image I saved keeps sending blurry despite being readable on my end. So im saving that link.

[distant turtle]

It’s interesting how spirits we helped beam down to greet us.

[hushed steeple]

have you guys seen this doc? https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-gfVg1lxenI2A7iTfG1BxNCskmkiqlkCjqhd3dO0wAI/edit

[slender panther]

Yes omg

[hushed steeple]

its so good

[fickle wing]

bro no way

it’s insane how that actually happened to the king i had no idea

[hushed steeple]

ikr thats so sad

[slender panther]

i love it so much like actually its my fave doc.

[frigid tinsel]

lmao none of that is confirmed, bold claims from a liar /hj

[compact shale]

It kinda sounds like a r/thathappened with the "interviewing TGC" part idk why

[rigid iron]

This is the best lore document I've ever seen and so accurate, how do we get this pinned

[slender panther]

right i agree

[hushed steeple]

its all true they have claims

from tgc themselves from real people like who elsewould be so bold

[sharp lichen]

this is amazing

[rigid mural]

does teth is a lesbiab ??? ? yes !!!1

[soft hamlet]

Hey. Anyone noticed some similarities between “Sky : Children of the Light” and “Kena : Bridge of Spirits” ?

I know it might not be Sky related but I noticed in both games that :

• We relive spirits’ memories in both games
• There’s something with a mountain in both games

• Occasionally we collect cosmetics from spirits in both games
• We find and collect entities (winged lights or Rots) to increase our level

[icy spruce]

[soft hamlet]

Putting aside fights and battles from Kena

[hushed steeple]

check out this cool lore thing!! its the most canon by far tbh https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-gfVg1lxenI2A7iTfG1BxNCskmkiqlkCjqhd3dO0wAI/edit?usp=sharing

[tulip aspen]

what is that game?

also you're an absolute inspiration tinsel

[hushed steeple]

Honestly I think Kena treads a.......well worn path. Turns out saving spirits and navigating a ruined civilization...is a common and done story trend.

[soft hamlet]

https://youtu.be/pWh5388AEHw

[tulip aspen]

oh wow looks so beautiful

kinda seems like a mix of moana-esque-magical-journey movies and god of war lmao

[shut trellis]

no but now i have. and now. i want the tiny lizards in game! and resh as well of course

y'know lore chat is a mix of lore, chaos, angst(somehow i dont see that so much anymore??), memes, and tgc criticism.

[compact shale]

Hahagaha that's accurate

[harsh pecan]

Mhm

[soft hamlet]

Wonder if this is a hoax or not. (High chances to be a hoax tho)

[thin dirge]

....I still havent made my own doc on the full timeline of Sky

[neat flint]

[thin dirge]

I already have the WHOLE DETAILED TIMELINE full made out in my head, yet I still didnt make a doc on that

[frigid tinsel]

writing hard

[thin dirge]

Welp. Maybe Ill never make it

[hushed steeple]

do not associate me with that name

im not apart of KP and never will be…..
consider this a gift from sky enjoyers and likers 😜

[compact shale]

Pal-

[hushed steeple]

im being /srs i am not apart of kp ever never ever ever

[thin dirge]

Sigh.... Tbh, I do joke about KP as well, but when I think about it now, my views on the King were much dufferent from the "King Propaganda" view, so I would say Im sort of the same

[lofty void]

[fickle wing]

none of u kp ppl made that tho?? or contributed to the jokes n stuff in that idk why ur trying to take credit for ur group on it

[compact shale]

Okay full disclosure: I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S GOINNG ON WITH THAT DOC

[fickle wing]

exactly

[lofty void]

Me neither and im not taking credit on it

[compact shale]

O creator of this fire doc...

Fess up, or I throw you into the Resh jaws

[distant turtle]

So, sky kids, are they made of clay with a remnant of the original child of light contained within?

[compact shale]

Could be possible, though I don't have any evidence to show you for it...

[harsh pecan]

Lol what

[harsh pecan]

Wait weren’t you…

[rigid iron]

Fess up to what?

[compact shale]

Making the fire doc

[harsh pecan]

Doesn’t it already say who made it?

[compact shale]

no it says anonymous unfortunately

[neat flint]

T&C?

[tulip aspen]

yeahh those people are just jokers, this doc is the real deal right tinsel?

[tulip aspen]

....

[compact jungle]

What were all the elders’ names before it got removed?

[compact shale]

Isle: Daleth
Prairie: Ayin
Forest: Teth
Valley: Samekh (both twins share the name, but Sah usually refers to while Mekh usually refers to )
Wasteland: Tsadi
Vault: Lamed
Prince: Alef
King/Eden Elder: Resh

[tulip aspen]

so uh
im an idiot and didnt realize these were king statues, as in they look exactly like the character from the concept arts

[compact shale]

Baka baka baka- /j

[tulip aspen]

notes from the field (yes i spawn the krills before i explore otherwise it's boring)

we know for sure that two forces were definitely fighting, because we see one of the spears impaled into one of the shields, so they were certainly attacking each other

we can confidently assume the two sides can be identified by one representing the Light symbol (that we follow to Eden) and the other side being a diamond

Tsadi carries the one with the Light symbol so now we just have to understand who the diamond forces were and why they were invading tsadi's temple grounds, and who exactly tsadi's army stands for (common theory is isle/prarry/forest vs valley/weslen/valt/eden)

[neat flint]

TST

[tulip aspen]

we finna make chesca proud

[neat flint]

[tulip aspen]

@compact shale ancestors are designated (in isle murals) as a humanoid shape with a stripe though them to represent their tunics

the dead in the trials murals had that same stripe, so yeah we've known for a while lol

[tidal valve]

Somebody posted this on reddit but I thought it was super cool that chimesmith has actual music in their house! I didn’t notice this so I’m not sure if you all did either

[tidal valve]

It is very crunchy but here’s the basic run down

It called spirit purification (so the little orb inside them is probably corruption!)

1 : was that you’d burn the poor spirit alive (lmao jk) you’d just melt the corruption

2: how spirits work in game!

It’s mostly just game notes, but it’s just a little concept art backup on that spirits are in fact corrupted!

[distant turtle]

Please don't casually belittle yourself! On the contrary, you are observant. I had the same experience with these statues. I didn't notice them for some time, even after I viewed concept art. I think they're purposely meant to blend in and be passed by.

[distant turtle]

An additional clue lies in the damaged shrine in Eden, where the first winged light is located. The shields on the wall are only with the Light symbol.
As to who the factions were, I think we need to reconstruct what the stages 1-6 were like back in their day. I'm talking about how different Isle was in the Switch cinematic trailer.
For now I am guessing Diamond shields represented 1-3 as you said, led by people such as apologetic lumberjack (Forest Elder mask), or someone equivalent who was living at that time, or even by Forest Elder theirself.

[distant turtle]

I noticed yesterday that when you greet a spirit at a tombstone as they beam down from Orbit, they are a similar orb, except brilliantly bright.

[compact shale]

So they're "saved"?

[deep osprey]

I wanna know what Wasteland looked like

[tulip aspen]

well, in the concepts wasteland and valley used to be one massive city, with the homes and towns up in the mountains, and the industry and factories down in the desert

so wasteland used to be a desert with golden glowing sands (supposedly)

[tulip aspen]

yes i think this could be accurate!

[boreal nebula]

Well that's pretty obvious (but I was educated by Lore to recognize it)

... Meanwhile there is a smaller version, just in rock, next to the wax/plant behind the corner of the Explorer starting spot....

It's clearly there, and we pass near it 3 times a week.. yet it took me a looong while to put the pieces together

Pretty sure I uploaded a picture once, but I cannot find it

It's tight near the plant at the base of that Explorer Pillar from his start

BTW

[tulip aspen]

nice lmao yeah ill check it out

tbh until recently I've never looked at the game looking for lore

im too busy trolling and scaring myself at battlefield lol

[boreal nebula]

Similar to the ancestor that can appears in other memories and turning golden too

Have we any proof of the "rallying Thrillseeker"from Days Of Rainbow?

What I mean, did it have the golden effect?
Or he didn't appeared as TS yet? I cannot remember

So if he was already a past TS and was golden for someone and not ascended for new moths it could prove to be the same Spirit!

Same "would" be for the Miss Tea with Cherry Petals cape... (IF there ever were a kimono spirit with her same hair!)

but maybe I'm just fantasizing too much and those 2 were completely different spirits we never meet outside their Event Guide role

[hushed steeple]

Im still a little miffed we never got a rainbow guide wearing the actual beanie

I just learned spirits keep their ascended colors is memories too. But it seems kinda iffy on if they appear that way in other spirits memories too. I forgot the outcome of checking on piano and leaping in yeti. Im pretty sure someone said they kept their glows too.

But if theres spirits that look exactly alike and are in the same realm, im inclined to think they are the same. Yet the one walking with stargazer has no glow when rejecter is ascended. And has no pot. And yet, I still think them the same with no proof.

[hushed steeple]

werent i what.

[tidal valve]

Makes me think about the tombstones in vault first floor (behind four player door near thinking director) and the tombstones on golden wasteland near salute spirit

there are graves but when we stand near no spirit comes out, unlike the ones we see in the lobby for realms

maybe when a tombstone is broken a spirit cannot return back down? but all the other tombstones have cracks in them as well

it’s a little sad to think that there are spirits are really are just completely gone, and not there anymore to be saved

[frigid tinsel]

Perhaps those spirits were never caught by darkness thus were able to ascend without issue. The ones we save come down as a thank you to give us gifts n stuff

[tidal valve]

oh right, i feel bad for the graves near the shipwreck, such a sad place to be remembered, at least vault has candles in front of them

[boreal nebula]

Idk about their beta development, but I can confirm they were *mostly multiplayer

You could enter with 1+ other player(s) but when you fell you got server split from them (even from friends ) till it was finally patched out 2 weeks later maybe more, if I recall correctly even Trial Of Earth was a place were you could spend half an hour stuck alone (but I cannot remember how many times occured between each trial quest)

[deep osprey]

Speaking of shipwreck, did you see my shipwreck rant?

[tidal valve]

no! please say

[deep osprey]

Shipwreck rant right here

[sturdy coral]

This. this is why I think there's an environmental slant to the story and why I think the rain may also be acid rain.

[orchid jolt]

now, i shall bring up nuclear power

it fits in kinda perfectly with dark diamonds. the energy created, the unstable stuff, heck even the whole how do dispose of the nuclear waste fits incredibly well. BUT, nuclear energy can be an incredible source for good and can help in the fight against climate change. Its not automatically good or evil, its just a tool that can cause great disaster or great good. And it should NOT be expected that a CHILD will know how to utilize it correctly, i reapeat: DO NOT JUST GIVE A RANDOM CHILD A NUCLEAR POWER PLANT AND EXPECT EVERYTHING TO BE OKAY! THE CHILD MAY HAVE GOOD INTENTIONS BUT THEY WON'T HAVE A CLUE WHAT THEY ARE DOING! HECK, EVEN MOST ADULTS BARELY UNDERSTAND IT. just - just dont give a child that kind of responsibility...

this involved me using the theory of the prince being a child and still essentially being a kid when they were king (involving the theory that the king and the prince are one and the same. also this is NOT about petit prince)

[sturdy coral]

and nuclear fission is how stars generate energy! oooooh >.>

[harsh pecan]

I thought you joined KP

[harsh pecan]

Shhhhh
We shouldn’t be talking about beta stuff here

[dreamy solstice]

oops

[harsh pecan]

It’s fine

[dreamy solstice]

pardon im too excited

[harsh pecan]

Same

[compact shale]

Y e s n t .

[dreamy solstice]

well, terrified and excited shakes

[compact shale]

wait can i dm you a question

[dreamy solstice]

shoot i didnt ping

[dreamy solstice]

Sure

[hushed steeple]

i am in the server but im not. apart of them. 😇

[hushed steeple]

not sure what that halo is meaning to say

[distant turtle]

What you are describing was my experience during the season.

[harsh pecan]

How does that work

[compact shale]

That's how it is for me. to a lesser extent. I don't stan the King as much as they think I do.

[hushed steeple]

i observe

[harsh pecan]

Now I know 👀

[icy spruce]

ye, most of us in KP aren’t King fans

[hushed steeple]

Theres those who like king as a character but thats the extent, and those who see it as a chance to start a meme factory

[lofty void]

Same here tbh

[compact shale]

KP is more of the general "inside jokes for the lorechat" server

[shut trellis]

I joined KP because I thought that the king is a cool character(i mean, they are).

i got into sky lore with a handful of memes and terrible king and darkness theories(i wouldnt call them theories, really)

[hushed steeple]

And honestly I hype up how much is forbidden. Not much is forbidden. But its also for forbidden lore.

I could make a wonderfully terrible theory about ancestors both being completely modern, and able to shrink past ant chibi size to fit in the flight oob plane.

[compact shale]

F o r b o d e n

[thin dirge]

Speaking of inside jokes, there's also "Megan"

A joke nickname for the Megabird. It started when Bricky (one of the most well known and active lore theorist back then) had the name "Megabird" auto-corrected into "Megan"

I remember there was an idea thought of back then of the possibility of an opposite of the Megabird existing in Sky. Like, Megakrill or something. Got nicknamed into "Karen"

We dont see that much inside jokes here nowawadays. I guess its so that it wont confuse new people in the lore chat.

We were also discouraged not to do KP jokes that much now, since the word "Propaganda" has negative associations in it

Just some fun facts from a lore vet

Now that I think about it, lore chat seemed more like a smaller community within a community back then due to how close ppl were and often joking around together about the lore as much as making theories.

The only problem was that debates about whats "canon" was more likely to occur back then. I admit, I was one of those, but I learned from it

[tulip aspen]

megan vs karen
the ultimate battle

[lofty void]

The literal universe VS the soccer mom… who will win???

[tulip aspen]

The Sky is so dam cool

hearing "the literal universe" gives me chills every time

i love it so much

[thin dirge]

Wow, it feels nice sharing trivia like this. Makes me feel nolstalgic. Its crazy one full year has passed since I was here, and lore chat went through a lot of changes. Almost everyone from back then probably long ago left Sky now. I guess its the lore peeps who are most likely to drop Sky, due to them only sticking for the lore and the lack of clarity in it in Sky and how slow paced each Season is

Hmm, I feel like the lore chat community has become much smaller than it was before too, as most of the lore peeps left

[compact shale]

Awwwh...

We'll always have Pa- I mean Megan.

[lofty void]

Pa-??

[compact shale]

Paris

I was trying to say "We'll always have Paris"

[lofty void]

oH

[thin dirge]

Oh yeah, when I was new and learned Orbit was a part of the Megabird, I asked if it was the Megabird's butt

[harsh pecan]

LOL

[compact shale]

WHAT THE-

I don't think anyone can- or wants to- answer that...

[thin dirge]

I mean, think about it, we litterally come out of Megabird from Orbit. Which part do you think that is???

[lofty void]

the mouth hopefully

[thin dirge]

I swear everyone reacted to that, even the lore lurkers, which were pretty common

[compact shale]

The hairballs/featherballs of birds

[lofty void]

I’ll always have Mem and dumb headcanons at my side 😌

[compact shale]

Mem was declared dead for reasons. According to the KP peeps

[thin dirge]

How it happened

[thin dirge]

We were told off not to do Propaganda jokes by KTJN because of the negative affliations it has

[compact shale]

:(

And that is why KP was born... right?

[lofty void]

I don’t think Mem is a KP joke

[thin dirge]

No, KP was born from a joke by Bricky a long time ago. I think it already existed when I first joined. Tho, I discovered Ash confirmed King's existence in the lore chat just a few days before I came in, so I dont really know exactly when it started.

[thin dirge]

Yes and no. There's a meme of KP made by someone here a long time ago, but at the same time, it was also a serious theory based from the great amount of King statues all over GW, making theorists think "Oh, King Propaganda!"

It was also because of it that the King was viewed negatively in lore chat, thinking they're the main bad guy of the story, etc etc

Since the huge amount of statues made ppl here think the King viewed himself so highly that they forced ppl to make statues of themselves everywhere in the area.
And then associated it with propaganda as it would also make others in the kingdom view them highly

And thats the origins of KP! However, be careful of bringing it up too often here, as the word "Propaganda" has a lot of negative affliations and were told not to keep using it

[compact shale]

Thank you Butter! Now back to default lore...

[heady sequoia]

HOW MUCH NEW LORE THEORIES HAS BEEN WHIPPED UP I'VE BEEN DEAD FOR 5 CENTURIES A N D A HALF

[thin dirge]

Nah, I was just giving trivia about how lore chat used to be in the previous year. Since many I could see here werent from that time, lol

You could scroll up

[quick terrace]

scroll up the entire chat

[heady sequoia]

I've done that already, give me something harder!

[quick terrace]

scroll up the entirety of general chat

[thin dirge]

[neat flint]

Do you even know Mem 💀

[thin dirge]

....
Dang, I misread it.

...This is becoming a bit more of a frquent occurance that's kinda concerning. I think I need to starts reading messages aloud now

[tulip aspen]

nah ima make do lolol, ill stick it out out of sheet arrogant stubbornness

[median stone]

We were born from stardust made by Megabird light feathers...

[boreal nebula]

By nuclear you mean the usual Nuclear Fission or Nuclear Fusion (like the technology that's almost a prototype source from Hydrogen)?

[boreal nebula]

There's a common misconception.

If I recall correctly it's Nuclear Fusion (not fission) that generates stars

The Fission is the act of separating an unstable atom (usually of Uranium) by shooting another another against it (thus exploding and releasing all its energy inside)

The Fusion is when with longs of energy (heat and pressure) two atoms combine together. For example Hydrogen (the basic element with just one proton ➕ and one electron ➖) combine into an atom of Helium (2 protons 2 electrons and 2 neutrons to bind the protons)

The IRL stars works like huge furnace thanks to the pressure of their gravitational push (much like the core of Earth is rock turned into hot magna).

In fact our Sun is mostly a furnace of Hydrogen turning into Helium.
Other stars are so big and powerful that can generate heavier atoms, like Iron... !

Thus Earth was generate over millennia collecting dust and asteroids from far away stars died/exploded

Or at least that's how I remember these topics

[harsh pecan]

The literal universe

[boreal nebula]

Fun fact: if Jupiter (which is mostly made out of gasses) were big enough.. it could have ignited into a star (at its gravitational push could have shifted a lot of mass of space dust away from the center of our Solar System.. thus there could have never been the Asteroid Belt created between Earth and Mars, maybe the Moon or Earth itself never been born as we know it

"Fun"

[sturdy coral]

I meant that tbh I just mix the names up 🤷‍♀️

[boreal nebula]

I once joked about how I mispell Eden for Edd... (Megan's bad boyfriend) but I never got much of attention (I'm in a bad timezone I guess )

[boreal nebula]

I indeed remember I was a lurker one year ago... By lurking I mean I could even spend hours justt by trying to keep up the pace with all theories written on the previous day(s).
Now it took me waaay less time

[boreal nebula]

Mmm.. what is MEM ?

[neat flint]

A fanmade underwater elder

[boreal nebula]

Mermaid Mem 🧜‍♂️ 🧜‍♀️

Now I need some Mermaid Mem Memes...
Just wanted to say that for alliteration

[neat flint]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/11T44JI9Zy8VidTHlNINn4odyBAvugkP03I8doTUFrO8/edit

Credits to Anzu

[boreal nebula]

Btw you remind me that somewhere I read Lamed was a letter/symbol of the shape of a hook 🪝 (and IMHO somehow the fire emblem in Prophecy recall that shape of the Hebrew Letter)

[floral grove]

Has anyone tried logically explaining the physic-defying movement that capes have?

As in, how come it follows our Sky Kid's arms when they do gestures and how "stiff" they seem when doing so

[harsh pecan]

I dont think so

[floral grove]

[shut trellis]

Maybe our capes are a part of us and so we can control it?

[twilit quiver]

Same logic as forest mama hammering down a flame like its some kind of metal

[floral grove]

So a limb?

[shut trellis]

i guess so?

[shut trellis]

people also mine light lol

[frozen pivot]

when we gain capes, perhaps it becomes a part of us in a way similar to halo's. although its mostly to support flight. i like to think that its not tangible as it is generated only when we gain our first light or when we have one. so no, it may not be able to act as a limb. strange thing though is how it stays even if we lose all energy/light flight etc, as long as we have one wl/light intact. otherwise we'd lose the cape and die

one thing also. we cannot generate our own natural light as flame if we run out of it, needing to source it from other source of light, yet the wl within us can. in a sense, the winged lights we collect along the way becomes our cape, or is added to the wedges to hold more light/energy

[tulip aspen]

if the "cosmetics are projections of light" is true then they are extensions of our light, basically a 2nd pair of arms that are magically projected

for the biological theories people make all sorts of complicated anatomical juxtapositions and suggestions comparing the movement to different real muscle structures and animal bodies, with the intent of implying the wings really are literally wings/extra limbs

the cape question puts you far down the split rabbit hole where "light creature vs biological" clash in everlasting combat, and in general it kinda leaves you at an awkward nuance, and you end up believing one side or the other

[frozen pivot]

what

[tulip aspen]

this is one of the strongest arguments for the light projection theory I've ever seen!

[tulip aspen]

tldr, some people say skykids are real flesh and blood, some say they are magical shells with light inside

whichever side you believe in more honestly plays a big role in if you think the cape is "alive" or just emanated from the skykid

[frozen pivot]

now that i think about it, halos in general does have something to do with flight, either giving the host the ability to fly or it letting the host know theyre dead, they can fly either way.

[tulip aspen]

saying just makes it sound like a parasite

[frozen pivot]

the only real tangible thing in a skid is its bald head and shoulderless body

the stone mask too i guess

[distant turtle]

Wake up child. Bring our lost shoulders home.

[compact shale]

Sky: Chiropractors of the Light

[icy spruce]

HAUAAHHASHHWSSJSU

[orchid jolt]

I mean, i guess both. I guess if i had to pick one, id say fission as its the one we can currently use and its the one with the waste materials

[ember elbow]

desperately trying to OOB to the king statues by the GW temple. i get so close and then the krills show. but it looks like theres a big old diamond in the chest

[orchid jolt]

you can fly up with a charging item. there is a large hole.

[ember elbow]

thanks amoeba

[hushed steeple]

Unlit kids, still keep their cape shape, and still move them to express. Plus, with the moth analogy, I just love the idea they flow blood light through the cape to move it and ignore how ancestors also can express with their capes

I would stand a ground and say “skykids are organic!” Since they are natrualy from mega and exist as living breathing sentient people that can get cold, eat, die, sleep, ect. But then I remember the actual definition of organic is prolly having organs and a mum n dad having to birth you.......so.....not organic.

[distant turtle]

You can do it!
I can make it from the top of the ruins if I have a friend holding hands and 11 flaps.
The chest has a cannon that protrudes.

[rain pond]

helo lore chat

can someone post images of the diamond shields, sunburst shields, and the spears from GW

[ember elbow]

its a cannon?? oh wow you got so close! i was certain there was an eye in the statue too, glad to see its really there. fascinating that its blue.

forgive the quality, im playing on an A20 thats almost five years old? its literal potato.

BUT. i noticed when leaving the shipwreck through the top path with all the pipes, just before you exit you get a good look at the king again. but his helmet is different.

edit: slow mode ten seconds will add pic

also the "kings" (statues) you see surrounding him arent there. but once you get into the next area, they appear and the circle halo-esque part is gone

@hushed steeple its kinda grainey but might be an addition to your image board if you dont have it already.

im not entirely sure how to get a better image without being on a different device. this seems to only be viewable from the shipwreck area JUST as youre leaving.

[hushed steeple]

Might check if its clear on switch

[ember elbow]

if it is please post a pic here! :D would love to see it

[opaque fog]

I got the pictur hear if you need it

[hollow knot]

so i was jw- but is there any spirit aside from home and office i should visit and get some stuff 😄

[hushed steeple]

Thats pretty good....is there any way to get the tower to contrast with the sky a little more?

[true grove]

Here's a picture by voi using the hammock glitch (not possible anymore)
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[hushed steeple]

Well thats far too nice and clear and no longer obtainable to ignore! I’ll put it in.

[boreal nebula]

Never tried it before, but I guess it could be tied to one of my theories

Sky Kids have a lowkey power of altering the gravity around them.
And I'm not talking of the levitation emote (even if it could even tie up to that) I talk about the fact that I find the time a sky kid jump seems a little bit more slow than what an usual jump could last, giving a sense of floating/light weight.

Consider also that each time we flap we burn a portion of that light energy to allow us a certain push (while a bird would need more that to take off) and how we raise up every time we find a WL that unlock us another wedge (maybe we generate so much energy that we even get self recharge)

And maybe we are able to move the cape with this kind of micro control of our range of gravity
(Even if it could also be that the jump is simply slow just because Sky Planet has less gravity than Earth)

Plus when we are fast enough, on the snow we leave bigger footprints (or rather a line) that our feet (sometimes the imprint is on the snow even before we reached/touched the ground)

So instead of a limb, in my mind we are some kind of gravity octopus XD
because the gravity alteration is tied to the cape, but is there even when we dont see it (like with TLP scarf)

[hushed steeple]

~~I still like blood light idea ~~

[ember elbow]

thank you!

[harsh pecan]

Ye it’s weird how it changes depending on your location

[upper mortar]

This theory actually makes sense. Maybe Sky Kids do have some sort of Gravity manipulation abilities. You know in Eden, the wind is so strong that it can lift boulders and send it flying, but for some reasons the Kids aren't even being carried by the wind as long as they stay on the ground. Maybe the reason is that they're trying to stick to the ground by making the gravity heavier around them so they won't get carried away.

In a way, they can be as light as they want, or as heavy as needed depending on the situation

[floral grove]

Dang this theory is actually really cool . Maybe that could also explain the Sky Kids' ability to telekinetically move very specific stones in Vault

[upper mortar]

I still think Sky kids as some sort of evolutionary advanced being. Being able to do feats that are impossible for a normal creature.

But i guess that's the perk of being a descendant of The Light

[ember elbow]

amazing! thank you!!

[compact shale]

Gravity manipulation is cool

[opaque fog]

No problem!

[floral grove]

I just realized that if we assume the reason why Sky Kids' capes are so rigid and "alive" is because of gravity manipulation, wouldn't the same apply with Ancestors? The Lively Navigator gesture clearly shows their cape following their arms in order to signal boats. I know it's a bit strange to ask about these kind of stuff which can be answered with "it's a game mechanic" or "it's for style" but I really like looking deep into them

[compact shale]

I dunno, cape straps? Cape AI?

[static meteor]

lively navigator in concept art is shown holding the ropes around the ends of the cape, the cape following movement might just be a game thing haha, sorry

[compact shale]

Ah, I see. That's probably it. :)

[upper mortar]

I don't think the capes are alive. Maybe it's an extension of the sky kid. Perhaps a body part just like the hands and limbs

[static meteor]

(this is what im referring to for those who didn't see the concept art ^^)

[upper mortar]

That being said, if someone were to rip that cape from a Sky Kid (I don't recommend doing that) you'd also be hurting the kid. You monster

[compact shale]

Personal headcanon:
I don't think skykids can voluntarily take off their cape once they get one. They can only change its form with light shapeshifting. Only darkness can take it off. Involuntarily.

[static meteor]

i like the idea that once a cape is put on a skykid's body, it get filled with light which allows rhe skykid to control it, similar to how the masks can be manipulated to show different expressions

[floral grove]

Kitsuu & Drunklord explained that the capes are an extension of the Sky Kid. If we assume that Sky Kids are really just light and energy with a physical projection, then it does kinda make sense. It wouldn't necessarily be a limb but it's something that you can't get rid of from a Sky Kid except when they die

[static meteor]

ohhh I see
so does that mean skykids are also canonically shapeshifters in a sense, since they can switch their capes for others?

[compact shale]

Yeah, ,could be!

[floral grove]

Like how snakes can shed their old scales to make way for their new scales

[compact shale]

OH yeah, our capes get scaly when recharging! That would be pretty cool~

[static meteor]

do you think ancestor spirits and skykids are both made of light, but just different kinds? Like spirits are made of starlight, and skykids are made of sunlight?

[upper mortar]

Are you guys familiar with the Gems in Steven universe? They're this sentient rock that can project their body using solid light. In a way, the Sky kids works in similar fashion. Their default form is a gray colorless sky kid, and when they're filled with light, they can use that light to cover their colorless body with vibrant appearance. The light is their skin

[compact shale]

What makes you think skykids are made of sunlight?

[upper mortar]

Because they're literally made from the stars? They came from The Light, a place that looks like a sea of stars. It wouldn't be that much of a stretch if they're made of light since they we're literally from The Light

Besides, Light is the essence of their being just as blood is to humans. Without it, they're as good as gone

[compact shale]

I was asking why sunlight specifically. Whoops.

[upper mortar]

Not Sunlight specifically since Sun only refers to the star in our solar system. I guess they are made of Star light. If that's the case, the stars in the sky representing our friends would make much more sense

[static meteor]

idk just a thought hah

[static meteor]

that makes more sense!

but are spirits the same species as skykids? if they're both made of starlight

[upper mortar]

I'd like to think that the spirits are a separate species from sky kids. They're the locals of the planet we're standing on, that's why they can't do things a normal sky kid can. Their cape doesn't give them the ability to fly, instead they ride a flying boat to traverse in the skies

[compact shale]

We know that skykids and elders aren't the same species. But we don't know if skykids and ancestors are the same species. Most people assume they aren't, but that's just an assumption.

[upper mortar]

Exactly. The spirits and elders are of same species, Sky Kids are the aliens of the story. We are helping the spirits ascend with us because their world is broken and there's no way to fix it anymore.

[compact shale]

Yes, we are. But we have to keep coming back to the world because we're not done yet. There are still some spirits left in the world...