lore-discussion-spoilers

[brave adder]

I'm kinda curious how seasonal sprites died, I hope it's not too dark

[compact shale]

That is quite vague, we don't really see how.

[fringe hare]

Reminds me of one of the previous season icons but I might be mistaking

[brave adder]

like for example, the enchantments died on the ship that got ambushed by the krill if I remember

[compact shale]

That's a myth. This mural shows that the Ark crashed due to a lightning strike.
(1st picture, mural 6)
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

This part is a theory, but it's said that Team Enchantment died of starvation and/or dehydration due to being unable to sustain the farm and/or purify water.

[brave adder]

oh my bad, but damn poor those dudes

[willow prawn]

To the hands of Lightseekers? I'm not sure... It's weird, I don't remember seeing a symbol like that before

[hushed steeple]

Those are the symbols for the map. If you look at the map in assembly treehouse you can see each one marked on it to tell where it leads to. (Or was it the map on the treehouse past forest gate? I forgot)

[onyx shale]

So the quest where we help the spirits purify water and fertilize the land is actually the ancestors' unfulfilled wish?

If that's the case, then could it be that in the past, the flight ancestors actually failed to prevent darkness from spreading in wind path, and they died in the accident? Maybe it was also one of the reason why sky kingdom fell to darkness...

Maybe in reality the wind path has always been in a corrupted green state prior to final quest. We just saw it in its normal state when we first starting the quest because we're reliving an ancestors memory. That's my theory

[willow prawn]

So there are other jars with symbols near the other doors, too?

[hushed steeple]

Jars, maybe signs or rocks or something. But if I remember right each symbol is painted somewhere near the entrance

[fringe hare]

This calls for investigate

[hushed steeple]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

When the map was first seen

[willow prawn]

What! Where's that map??

[fringe hare]

Ooooo, I see the symbol yeh! That’s neat

[brave adder]

lol imagine assembly failed to make a treehouse then died, I'm sorry that I laughed to this

[fringe hare]

Off to treehouse

[brave adder]

wait, but how did the dreams died?

[fringe hare]

When we finish quests it tells us “you’ve fulfilled the wish of this ancestor spirit” so I think so, yeah. We’re completing their unfinished wishes

[compact shale]

It could be theorized that the colored lights they were carrying scattered when the Ark crashed, so helping them by collecting them allows them to fulfill what they couldn't do in life. The reason why they're using the light to purify everything might actually be related to the raging storm. For all we know, that lightning is fromthe Eden storm.

[compact shale]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

Ash says that the wind path clearing was done in the Present, apparently

[onyx shale]

Oof- you're right but maybe it's more like they grew old and died without ever fulfilled their childhood dream of building a treehouse?

[compact shale]

We can't even be sure if they died young or not LMAO

Add that to the "Ask Ash" list

[brave adder]

oh damn nooooo

[hushed steeple]

Animal mask relate to their wearers...phoenixes rise from ashes after death.......

[onyx shale]

The wind path clearing, yes, it's done by us skykids. Just like the recovery of ark. But like, in the present just before we recover it (quest 1 to 2), we see flight area in a normal state, but I think that area actually is corrupted. We just see it as normal cause we're reliving a memory

[brave adder]

but how did the dreams died, I'm kinda curious...

[compact shale]

Don't see much to tell how. Ask Ash?

[brave adder]

bruh imagine they can't teach the kid how to achieve her dream, died cuz of lost hope bruh

[hushed steeple]

Eden went boom before able to achieve goals

[willow prawn]

When you relive the Dreams memory, you get told that you saw the dream being accomplished, not that they achieved it because of you

So they probably died either a natural death, or due to sudden abrupt death of Eden. But they did their dream

[hushed steeple]

Sky casually highlighting the tragedy of lives cut short

[onyx shale]

No but imagine... Dream ancestor died due to illness/other cause before they can achieve their dream performing at coliseum

[brave adder]

awww, my heart aches

[brave adder]

oh NOOOOOOOOO

[compact shale]

I once had a theory that the Dreams girl didn't fulfill their ENTIRE dream. The other half of their dream was to perform with a friend, which you fill in with the last 2 quests.

However it's implied that Dreams is entirely a past-only season so Last Wish Theory doesn't work on it.

That kinda ruined the season for me, unfortunately...

[hushed steeple]

You witnessed the dream sounds kinda present though. Do you witness movies?

[brave adder]

I hate it how spirits die, my heart aches

[deep osprey]

Those are the symbols for the other treehouses

[brave adder]

the more I know about it, the more it gets worse
People who don't know: 😊
People who know:

[willow prawn]

I find easier to turn my brain off and just enjoy the season because of what it was, haha. I liked the insight into Valley, but maybe I just don't read enough about the theories

[deep osprey]

Oh no... Would you like to hear the shipwreck rant?

[brave adder]

wha-

[compact shale]

Unfortunately loreists are obligated to keep the brain on

[willow prawn]

Me, a casual loreist: you can't make me

[deep osprey]

Rant

[compact shale]

You're right, I can't.

I used to be a casual loreist like you, then I joined the Canonchasing Team as a support.

[willow prawn]

Oh haha I see

I just like to keep it in a bright side when it looks bright. We can go dark with Eden

[brave adder]

seeing how spirits die, like I'm watching a sad movie with a popcorn

[deep osprey]

So uh... Can we try to decipher this mural?

[fringe hare]

Map is still there! It’s on a fabric in the main treehouse with the quest spirit

[willow prawn]

This mural seems to be a simple continuation of Isle murals, with ancestors ascending in boats through the realms

You can see the forest and the flying boats going and coming from the forest temple, as well as mantas.

[deep osprey]

Maybe they got the rescorces from prairie and forest was industrial based

[tulip aspen]

YES

[tulip aspen]

we dont know how any spirits died lolol

for enchantment they didnt die from the crash, as we see them walking around the valley of the forgotten ark

[tulip aspen]

basically

well, they clearly were able to build other treehouses, unless those were made by adults

they just never finished the big one

[tulip aspen]

yeah, if there's a wish we're fulfilling it's just the mom's, who... forgot or something

yes!

btw, these are roles they happen to take on amongst the kingdom, but don't forget that in the second intro it tells us their main role is to return spirits to the Sky

actually, you can look hard and notice the white core on your torso grows dark when you equip your candle

so basically that candle is your soul

we'll prolly never know exactly why lolil

the prince is human, the krill feeds only on Light, which is why it attacks mantas and skykids

[open loom]

hmmm... try looking up chakras or merkabas for more inspo? some spiritual new age stuff like tht

[ashen granite]

WHO SUMMONED ME

[brave adder]

NARUTO
SASUKE
NARUTO
SAUSAGE-
sorry for the off-topic lol

[tulip aspen]

hmm, i suppose

the soul of a Skykid may be less deep than that (or more deep lolol)

either way i dont believe the soul has anything to do with the eyes closing

its prolly a more physical reason (or it's literally just a game stylism

[fringe hare]

maybe they’re all terribly shy and can’t bare direct eye contact 😂

[rigid mural]

They can juggle both jobs ! Who’s to say a war god can’t also ensure spirits return to the sky after they perished ? Valkyries are both warriors and psychopomps !

[tulip aspen]

that vocabulary tho... 👌 👌

[deep osprey]

Lordy I'm a writer and your words are making me jealous

[deep osprey]

It's the flame inside you

[rigid mural]

Thanks I litterally cannot find a middle between being rude and being too verbose

[harsh pecan]

Wow…the vocabulary…

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[compact shale]

Not a good time Skybot

[sharp lichen]

It’s good that it reminds us

[compact shale]

AHHAHAHAHAHAHAFHN
BUT IN THIS CASE THERE IS NO CONTEXT

[floral grove]

Was the Hidden Forest some sort of testing ground for Dark Stone before The Fall happened? Kinda like an Area 51 situation

[compact shale]

Well, we're not sure if it was a testing ground, but it's highly implicated that darkstone ingredients were gathered there.

[harsh pecan]

[hushed steeple]

When did the music change in starlight? I have always muted the music in the game for the crime of having it change my key of the instuments.

This piano track is so much better then the season music what the heck

[harsh pecan]

Same

[hushed steeple]

They should do more piano tracks strong melody very tasty

[rigid mural]

Question, did you come from the wind paths ?
Cos to me, starlight desert music is the one of whatever place I was in before coming in.

[frigid tinsel]

i know there's this glitch where whatever music was playing in the wind paths will continue even if you go into a new area.

[willow prawn]

I love that glitch because the wind paths music is yummy

But anyways, I decided to explore Assembly again with a critical eye and I'm coming to bring my findings you probably already know

[compact shale]

Doesn't Assembly have the least lore out of all the seasons? (yes, even less than Sanctuary, which at least has creature-calling bells)

Edit: Wait does Assembly or TLP have the least lore?

[willow prawn]

Best pictures I got from the map! It's a lot clearer watching in live, but you can see the main path, and I suspect the three shapes right before the temple must be the bridge

It's kinda sad we can't see where the forest clearing or the treehouse fall in that map

Afterwards, I decided to visit each mini treehouse individually to find said signs. Only missed the last one, because truly, I saw nothing there other than a tiny Assembly flag

But there was something I thought it was curious (and yes, I never noticed before because I struggle to see in dark places and the light is new)

That seems like a dissembled power diamond (notices the two split parts and the rock diamond thingy. What were these kids doing with those?

[compact shale]

Hm just a headcanon but

If at least one of them is the kid of a Light Miner then maybe they were exploring around the caves and digging out whatever they could find

Maybe there's a dumpster of defective darkstone (wow alliterative nice) and they just dug around

Kinda like those computer geeks who dig around the dumpster for parts, idk

[willow prawn]

My only other noteworthy pictures is the huge amount of tools those kids have, how there's only beds in the Chuckle + Daydreamer tiny treehouse, and that the same house is the best built, with all and windows

[willow prawn]

Maybe! It also seems like they stole Prairie Elder blind because there's jars everywhere

[compact shale]

You know that theory about how butterflies in jars get exported to forest to have their light sucked out? I think they might've got the jars from the dumpster too, if someone didn't already throw them off carelessly enough to break them

[willow prawn]

Probably! Also, is there any theory about whom the kids may be related to? As in, which spirits for each one?

Been thinking about how they said originally it was related to Elders, and I've been thinking that maybe even if they scrapped that, some could be left in their attitudes, but I dunno

[compact shale]

It's said that they're the descendants of the Forest spirits, though I'm not sure if that's just one parent or both

There's also a theory that they're related to the Lightseekers, so I guess it could be 1 Lightseeker + 1 Forest spirit (For Laidback, it would be them + another Forest spirit)

I'm not an expert on spirit geneaology, sorry...

[hushed steeple]

Yes! I did. And the starlight music was 100% different from the windpaths music.

[compact shale]

The only thing I can hope for is that Ash releases a clue about the family tree as a TS clue

(This week's TS is related to [Assembly Spirit])

Edit: Yes most of Ash's TS clues are absurd but they're the best we've got without intro cards

[hushed steeple]

That would be a real hint so.

[willow prawn]

I'm really sad only Flight got intro cards. Even if they're retroactive, I would love an introduction from past seasons, especially those where interaction between spirits isn't that strong

[willow prawn]

Hmm, I did thought about the Lightseekers thing because of aesthetic, but I've never really understood what that season was about

[upbeat rampart]

I admire you going through a two month long post xD

When you equip the white candle as well, your torso goes dark, so both are part of our souls?

[compact shale]

It was about orbs of light, but other than that there isn't much because Lightseekers doesn't have seasonal quests so it doesn't have that much storyline

[willow prawn]

The memories don't really tell me much, either... The only thing I know is the little boat in the cave of Isle reminds me of the drawings of people ascending to the temples with weird circles

[sharp lichen]

Wait, I think there is a Starlight Desert track, though I’m not sure

[hushed steeple]

Despite that sometimes questless seasons get fleshed out in new seasons. Enchantment added a little to lightseekers. I would like to think assembly did too.

[compact shale]

What if it's not that deep and Assembly and Lightseekers were never related?! DUN DUN DUN... /hj

[hushed steeple]

When I played it used the same music as in archive. Entering from flight tunnel, it is a calm and sharp piano track instead.

[willow prawn]

Ah, but now the skybot doesn't come with the classy it's not that deep bro

We would have to ask Ash or other skydev, but I don't think the similarities in mask + capes is casual

[hushed steeple]

Pot hat promised we would learn about his family but instead he play the horn.

[compact shale]

Hmph, probably not...

At this point Ash might only bring on the blessing in lorechat's direst times

[hushed steeple]

Of course you have it saved.

[icy spruce]

of course

[willow prawn]

Between the Assembly kids related to Forest spirits and the Flight spirits related in some way or form to Prairie spirits, I've a lot of uncovering to do and too little brain cells working on it

[compact shale]

We forgor to ask Ash how spirit geneaology works

Let's burn some bean incense and try to summon her

🔥🔥

[rigid mural]

Sometimes the wind paths play a piano tune tbh

I'd like to ask Ash how often ancestors saw elders, clearly enough for some to be apprentices, but would the appearance of an elder be like seeing the local powerful but passive/disinterested/elusive cryptid...

I hope this would be vague enough, "cryptid" could range from "I think I saw the shadow of the Vault Elder while browsing through the shelves, it was magical" to "I saw the Samekh twins bickering on a 7/11 parking lot and they scattered when they noticed someone looking."

[compact shale]

Cryptid of the 7-11

[rigid mural]

They salt and pepper apple slices, disprove my headcanon they behave like raccoons when not on a stage.

[compact shale]

Why? What do salt and pepper apple slices imply?

[rigid mural]

Poor culinary tastes

[compact shale]

Raccoons have great culinary taste?

[rigid mural]

Those are wild animals, Fruity.

[compact shale]

HAAHAHAHAH

NO I WAS ASKING HOW THE SALT AND PEPPER SLICES DISPROVE YOUR RACCOON HEADCANO

[lofty void]

HEY DONT JUDGE THEM

[lofty void]

i’m gonna need to draw the second one

[rigid mural]

Footage of the twins caught in a 7/11 parking lot

[lofty void]

VELA ASFSHDJEAGDH

[icy spruce]

but apples with salt (dunno with pepper) is good :(

[rigid mural]

I tried it too and I beg to disagree

[icy spruce]

did ya add a lot of salt?

[compact shale]

You're supposed to season the apple, not prepare it for drying and preservation... ||baka||

[icy spruce]

Lmao

[gilded spoke]

why do the people worship candles?

[sharp lichen]

Oh god, I think I heard this before from a YouTube track. It’s so good!

[sharp lichen]

I hate The Valley Twins for doing this, Ash for saying this, Vela for telling me this, and #lore-discussion-spoilers for allowing Vela to post this. Basic inexperienced babies! (/j)

[icy spruce]

where are my 400 hearts

[icy spruce]

Actually…. (Also, thanks Moon for telling me this)

[compact shale]

Let's not bring in the inside jokes, back to lore.

[icy spruce]

@sharp lichen you know what this means

[harsh pecan]

yes ma’am

[tulip aspen]

OH

WHOOPS

how... how did i even get there....
much less not look at the timestamps.... @_@

also yes ig they are lol

[upbeat rampart]

Nah don't worry, I'd be okay if you even look at my oldest post and comment on it anyway, it's interesting

Also, what do you think is the difference between our white candle and the ones you find in Vault trees and graves + in front of Elder shrines, except the physical form? (As in, ours shows a heart and is bigger than those, why? Just curious to see if you have any inputs at that)

And also the fact that our normal red candle is the same size of those white candles from realms is interesting

[upbeat rampart]

Ok maybe red candle deals with the blood part (soul attached to the blood) and white with the more soul-er part (after we lose our body)

[icy spruce]

so when u buy cosmetics, u’re basically trading a part of ur soul away for CLOTHESS????

[dun dun DUNNNNNNNNNN]

[rugged jackal]

[lofty void]

Sell your soul to become a ✨fashion icon✨

[icy spruce]

so true omg

[harsh pecan]

Dang it ain’t worth it if that’s the case…||but at least we’ll look better on the outside||

[icy spruce]

I love trading my soul away for clothes

[harsh pecan]

Me too

[lofty void]

Same 👁️👄👁️💅

[icy spruce]

so relatable, and to those who disagree are simply just…uncultured
➰👄➰👜
👠 👠

[rugged jackal]

Aight ima head out

[neat flint]

I’m uncultured

[icy spruce]

I thought we’re friends

[neat flint]

We’re

[naive sequoia]

In a way, it's like NFTs

You buy the look, not the product so you might look fancy but you're still walking barefoot

[icy spruce]

sorry, we were

[frigid tinsel]

white contains all light (in the color spectrum). one could say that due to this fact, white light and by extension white candles could be highly valued or even powerful. we know that the ancestors gave offerings of light to the elders, as skykids do when entering their liminal zone. perhaps white candles symbolize valuable offerings, not only to the elders but skykids to each other? or perhaps, given lighting those white candles attached to the elders' shrines "awakens" the elders, they hold a lot of power and could've been used to "call" the elders or enter their liminal zone.

[neat flint]

That was what I mean

[icy spruce]

and how dare you ate the burnt gingerbread cookies

[neat flint]

I gave you one

[icy spruce]

that was a snowman

[neat flint]

They’re same but different shape

[hushed steeple]

If flame is care it kinda makes sense. You are using your heart to spread your care.

[compact shale]

You just sold your soul for clothing, so you can't complain about your coogies tasting bad.

[icy spruce]

I am not, Flour ate MY burnt cookies before I ate them

[neat flint]

It was Strega’s

[icy spruce]

shut up, it’s mine now

[compact shale]

OKAY BACK TO LORE /srs

[icy spruce]

oka, what are candles

[neat flint]

A cylinder or block of wax or tallow with a central wick that is lit to produce light as it burns. 🕯️

[frigid tinsel]

wax

[tulip aspen]

white candles does the symbol in Sky are generally ceremonial, involving ritual/tradition/past, while red candles represent energy/life/light/giving/transfer

I've always known and observed this but I honestly don't have any spontaneous ideas like usual about what this could concretely mean

if any of y'all feel like you figure something out about it with the analysis info I just provided in this message then please share it because we should know more about candles when I think about it

also wax is just Light that we can collect and then share as an energy/power, in order for us to gain the ability to create interesting new forms Ie the ones we get from spirits

I'm not sure what you mean by blood lol

[frigid tinsel]

given that skykids are hollow and don't have organs, safe to say they don't have blood

[compact shale]

Yep. If you knock knock on a skykid's head, you hear... hollowness. /lh

[frigid tinsel]

means they don't got brains neither

[tulip aspen]

ah yes it's my real head but in Sky

what does /ih mean?

[compact shale]

lighthearted, I'm not saying it for serious reasons

[tulip aspen]

they prolly have a "brain" in the form of the Being of Light residing inside the casing, which realistically is just a glowing orb thing in their chesy

[neat flint]

White candles represent blessings

[frigid tinsel]

the glowing spot on their chest is their flame. they prob have a soul knocking around in there like a windows screen saver icon and souls have minds

[tulip aspen]

i wasnt talking about the flame being the brain lol, i mean inside the torso there's the main entity

[frigid tinsel]

i'm sleep deprived and realizing now i misread your comment. imma go to bed

[compact shale]

get your snepple snopples in there

[upbeat rampart]

Well somewhat similar to blood. Not necessarily the same blood as humans, which is a fluid that just goes to provide nutrition to the organs etc etc.

More of where their "innate" energy is stored (but it's not "Blood". I used it to draw parallels while not knowing how to phrase it...more of materialistic attachment which is there ever since your creation). It's somewhat like the backup energy you have if all winged energy and normal white candles are depleted, I suppose?

White candles could be like money where you accumulate by running realms (as seen). Probably areas where king/prince is familiar/knows/king was there/gives-parts-of-soul-to-make-skykids-remember-as-he's-forgetting-everything-while-he's-a-skykid

[icy spruce]

Fire proph the helicopter

[neat flint]

🚁

[edgy kernel]

i suppose thats one way to ascend

[lyric isle]

alright
is it ok to infodump about LP headcanons?

[harsh pecan]

Yes

[lyric isle]

In the midst of debate of if the LP spirits are real? I’ve settled on “yesn’t”.

There are probably two types of spirits:

• the ghosts of those once living
• manifestations of memories given form

spirits are on a scale of this, I think

referring to this whole passage, but especially:

“willing to believe that the [LP] spirits are real people, but sort of how you see a form of those you know in dreams, which may or may not be accurate? so potentially actual spirits, or a combination of memories about spirits, or partially true and part of it being made up from other things in one’s mind”

The idea is that they didn’t actually exist beforehand as living beings. They’re constructs of the sort of dream realm, thus why they seem so shallow and one-dimensional
they’re not real people in the sense of kingdom residents, but they do exist - as culminations of the collective imaginations of the creators of this place, perhaps as inner struggles given form, and perhaps to ‘leave them behind’

Soldier makes this debatable. Seeing other spirits that are real people might make them an exception?

Perhaps former-soldiers-turned-scholars could have these struggles and have gone through what we see poor Soldier suffer - or their peers while in the forces

why we see spirits from the dead? perhaps those few were a very known few, and forms of them are shown here from hearing about them

as for the Little Prince himself, I frankly have zero idea, but leaning towards him being part of this entire fever dream, but existing more strongly(??????)

[tulip aspen]

that's a very complicated way of seeing it 🤯

[bronze mountain]

I like the culminative(? did spell right?) concept of LP spirits...

[tulip aspen]

ive done it a million times about everything xD

[lyric isle]

do you have any ideas of how the Little Prince exists, if at all?

yeah, I end up with really complicated headcanons about stuff, I have an overly complicated idea about blinking of all things

[fluid elbow]

hmm ... I don't know if anyone has shown it here (this is my first time here on this channel), but I'll leave it here if someone didn't know about it

[tulip aspen]

how the character exists, or the season itself @lyric isle ?

in regards to the character and story: read what im replying to right now

[orchid jolt]

It is important to remember that the names we have are from concept art and stuff. They are not canon. This is good tho, we can theorize based on concept art. If the names did have meaning like that, then it would make sense for names to change/be given later in life.

[orchid jolt]

I'd like to bring up the starlight desert's opening line: "Where dreamlike world's collide". I like to think that this means that the petit prince reality and the sky reality both existed but didn't have any impact on each other until they collided just recently. That way they both exist but their existence didn't have any impact on each other until now

[compact shale]

Like I said, they say a lot about what the devs were thinking about for them.

[sharp lichen]

NOOO

[icy spruce]

where are my 1460 hearts

[orchid jolt]

Still, we must remember they aren't Canon. I know you probably know that, I just need to say it outloud to get my brain to stop telling me to type that

[tulip aspen]

BRU THIS WRITING THO--

[orchid jolt]

Which do y'all think makes more sense for the concept prince (א)?

[sharp lichen]

The second one!

[tulip aspen]

imo whether we say the names or not matters not, because it's already obvious and implied they are nameless, after all

concepts are really important as concrete evidence, because yes it's not their actual names, but the intent of the names (of the hebrew connotations) is still absolutely viable about painting an important lore picture, even a modern one

the vision of devs may be very different today than it was for the purpose of the original project Sky was (making seasons so we buy them)
But it still ties in to what Sky was, or was meant to be before they had to retcon everything in LA before launch

The meaning of the Elders, and who they are, hasn't changed, and that meaning derives from those concept arts

Concept arts are still extremely important to creating solid notes on our lore research

[willow prawn]

Can I say how much the Vault Elder's role confuses me again?

[orchid jolt]

the thing is, they arent concrete evidence. its still a good way to get evidence, but its not concrete. and the elders have changed, isle elder used to be a vulture for crying out loud!

[tulip aspen]

first is better to balance out that cape

go capeless and it'll be absolutely clear it's the second, imo

||is it weird i judge outfits and designs off weight and balance||

[orchid jolt]

i prolly shouldve pulled up the concept art i was basing my outfit on

[orchid jolt]

am basing it off of this one:

[tulip aspen]

literally nothing is concrete

i put so much time into all of my analysis notes yet 98% of it will never actually be confirmed

and you know what?
it's meant to be that way
it's so beautiful that way
I never want to simply know the answer
Giving me something to indefinitely always fight and strive for, creates so much more meaning and life in this beautiful game

The unknown, the unquantifiable
I love having that

Even if it's just a convenient body TGC uses to not have to create a solid story ever (jk ash ik theres a story bible)

[icy spruce]

ye and we’re deffo not planning to steal the Sky bible, definitely™️

[hushed steeple]

This is so accurate.

[tulip aspen]

i mean tbf you'll never be able to pull off that torso perfectly

second is still nicer looking aesthetic wise

the prince is supposed to be a mystical yet still childlike figure (in the concept art, now he just doesnt exist xD)

[tulip aspen]

no, no, i would ahem never break into TGC office irl, that would be illegal

fr tho imagine if someone close to the devs nabbed and leaked the entire story bible

like damn

[icy spruce]

ikr, who would THINK OF BREAKING IN TGC’S HQ HHAHAHAAHAHA THAT’S DUMB HAHAHAHHA cough cough

[willow prawn]

I remind you that they haven't been working in office for a long time, so it's probably a virtual bible

The size of the demand tho

[compact shale]

The closest thing to the Sky bible is these firestarting Legit Bible verses

https://bible.usccb.org/bible/psalms/37

https://bible.usccb.org/bible/psalms/119

[orchid jolt]

yes, yes, its just that you said "concepts are really important as concrete evidence" and "The meaning of the Elders, and who they are, hasn't changed, and that meaning derives from those concept arts" (also, the forest elder used to try to kidnap the sky kids). i just think its important to bring up those details.

[icy spruce]

KEKEW

[tulip aspen]

what

@orchid jolt please do tell about forest mama the kidnapper

[orchid jolt]

oh well, yeah, for the poncho think im just wearing the white cape. im mostely debating on them as the limbs turn black in the first one and are brown in the second one. but yeah, id probably go with the second one too

[orchid jolt]

ok one minute

[icy spruce]

Concept Forest mama leads ur skid into a white van

[orchid jolt]

https://twitter.com/thatskygame/status/1283564687364218880/photo/1

[icy spruce]

by seduce, it’s like “Hey kid, want some candy?”

[orchid jolt]

heres a screenshot of the tweet itself:

[tulip aspen]

fascinating

[orchid jolt]

..... sky kids dont have mouths.....

[icy spruce]

its canon that they like light sweets

[compact shale]

Absorbing the sweetness into your soul...

How do things in Sky get sweet in the first place?

[icy spruce]

do not question Sky’s logic

Unless ya want ur brain to be fried, the question it

[orchid jolt]

i dont think theres any example of "sweet" tasting things in sky that we know of

[compact shale]

Hey we're all brain-fried to a certain degree here

That's why we make the theories we have

[icy spruce]

oh sorry, I mean’t burnt-until-it-doesn’- exist-anymore

[tulip aspen]

heeeeyyyyy, that's-

its not-

|| ||

[orchid jolt]

Im an amoeba, i dont have a brain. the closest i have is that one nueron i use as a sort of organelle that i got from endosymbiosis

[icy spruce]

same, my brain died long ago

[tulip aspen]

but i-

[compact shale]

You what-

[icy spruce]

But like-

[tulip aspen]

and just-

[distant turtle]

The Little Prince comes from another planet

[hushed steeple]

You are an ameoba, not an amoeba

[orchid jolt]

i actually spell my username incorrectly. I only have one nueron after all. Amoeba is the correct spelling

[silent igloo]

Moshi moshi

[pale lily]

The little prince is from come from the little Prince book

[fluid elbow]

theories on concept art are canon. Even many things from Heaven exist today thanks to concept art

although this is not for me to judge ahahaha

we dug up a lot of information over the year, built theories .. it was taken from one of my acquaintances, so we do not 100% claim that this is a canon, but if the concept art confirms this, then we were inclined to believe that this is a canon

[orchid jolt]

They are not canon. For example: Eden does not contain a giant humanoid figure throwing lightning at us. They may be canon and are useful for developing theories but they aren't necessarily canon. Concept art is not canon.

[frigid tinsel]

The only things from the concept art that are canon are the stuff that made it into the game. Everything else is moot or debatable

[orchid jolt]

they arent not-canon but they arent canon either

This is cannon:

[hushed steeple]

Ironically those cannons where once canon. They got removed from GW. Guess they thought launching your friends in anything other than a catapult was too cheery for GW.

[rigid mural]

I wonder if the emote colors could give us an order in which they happen

My current reasoning for this one is that warm colors = fire = early days where stuff was good with megabird and all, and cool colors = dark stone = later days with power diamond technology.

[sharp lichen]

Could this imply that there is a timeline of seasons, like one season comes after the other?

[twilit blade]

Whoa, I never noticed the color arrangement of each season before. Although story-wise I'm not sure how it would make much sense mainly because of "Flight came before Sanc"?

[orchid jolt]

well, i would think that the season of assembly would likely take place after the kingdom's fall. which would be after the prince made it through the trials. but it was a good idea...

and if we go in the other direction, the prince's coronation probably took place after they passed the trials. and, while, to my knowledge, it has not been confirmed, a very common theory is that the skater's dance took place during the coronation

[hushed steeple]

And prophecy is, pretty near the start.

[orchid jolt]

but is still an interesting idea. maybe the colors mean something else

I mean, this does make the lights look similar to seasonal wax...

[rigid mural]

- perhaps older customs to thank the elders/ancestors that passed on
- that's a family gathering (while this season introduced lots of bonus area dark stone mechanisms, these could have been added later)
- The season could predate the presence of the gondolas; hence why the bearhug hermit is an hermit despite his house being close to a stop.
- showing how spells were made; perhaps enchantment lights are greater lightseeker lights
- ngl this one is the odd one out
- not a lot of story besides a troupe reuniting
- The cave paintings themselves could have predated the prophets and the season, by that time the Prophecy could have come true
- Perhaps a time where light became more scarce and the stars might have started to fall, hence spirits devoting time to find some
- due to darkstone becoming a serious threat to the environment, some spirits could have decided to live apart, without dark stone...
- ...which could have inspired others to do the same (hence the presence of bells). (sanctuary islands def predated the season, but the guide could have settled there after flight & invited other spirits to see the reserve afterwards) Unfortunately, darkstone pollution can find a way in these havens.
- And, bit by bit, the ancestors and their children died out in their own havens.

[stuck lynx]

Can someone explain to me who is Alef, the prince is?

[cyan jacinth]

The prince passed the trials? Can I get a rundown of what that even is-

Also with season of the little prince I think it could be that Spirits from the stars are beginning to merge with the realms below

[hushed steeple]

No longer physically in the game Prince/King or Alef/Resh can still be seen in remaining evidence in the game. Dev comments made in this channel confirm hes still part of the games story, but maybe not how you expect. Its strongly hinted during concept phases he was to be the final boss, and in current lore chat we think he might have been the victor of the prophecy mural. We also assume him to be the eden elder.

[stuck lynx]

Thank uuuu

[hushed steeple]

Did you play season of prophecy yet? Its in a hole in the clouds in isle.

[cyan jacinth]

Repeating but replying, yes I played season of prophecy

[fluid elbow]

it's concept art. why exactly everything that Tom Zhao drew should be in the game? the same ideas were how to show lore in the game, the game is only developing. Maybe they'll add it, nobody knows 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

[cyan jacinth]

The whole lore is shown through how we see it, so everything is on the table when it comes down to it

[fluid elbow]

I didn't say that it should be in the game, Mb they just wanted to do it, it seems. but the developers changed their minds or decided to show the game differently and not immediately show the whole lore

[fluid elbow]

[cyan jacinth]

sorry I didn't know what that would do
Anyway
The story of sky is up to how we see it, from what I know

[fluid elbow]

Yes it is! Namely, how the developers will present us with lore depends on them.

[hushed steeple]

I thought I added that one till I remembered I added that one to a version thats incomplete for now

Ah I don’t understand the question about what the trials are. They are elemental trials set by the prophets to find the chosen one or something like that.

[fluid elbow]

Hmmmm...megabird?

[orchid jolt]

I was saying that the concept art isnt canon. it isnt NOT canon but its not canon. we dont know what concept art was decided to be canon. Alot of it isnt canon as it was replaced by other stuff over the course of development. Motes were replaced by the emotes which were later replaced by the winged lights. In light awaits, you didnt have to die in eden while in cotl you do have to die.

[fluid elbow]

I got it already. I just left the names of the elders as this is really a canon, confirmation in the art. But the developers also made the Sky easier, because the Android players also wanted to play. Then ... the game just appeared then and it was always in the development stage. But also in the game they do not say the names of the spirits, how old they are, and so on. Whoever wants, he himself will look for lore and build theories. I just sent what I saw with a friend in concept art and left it here. I don’t understand why this whole dispute was needed?

here it seems that everyone shares their information and build theories

Someone thinks that the concept is canon, but you are not. Everyone has different opinions, it's okay

[orchid jolt]

oh, I was just trying to explain that the concept art is not automatically canon. I have an issue with sounding like I am trying to argue with text and am sorry it came across like that lol. But, I would like to say that I don't the elder's names are canon (at least not yet). Lore chat was actually told not to use the names from concept art. This restriction has been lifted. Again, sorry if it seemed like I was arguing, just wanted to help a fellow sky kid interested in lore.

[hushed steeple]

Ok I just went from flight path to starlight again and it carried over the flight music. It is NOT the same I heard before. The gentle guitar strings are not the piano melody I heard in desert. Some say occasionally a piano melody can play in flight and carry over to desert, if so does anyone know what triggers the piano melody in flight?

[fluid elbow]

it's okay, I understand you wow, I didn’t know that there was such a limitation. Hard here you had ahhaha

[fluid elbow]

yes, I knew about it, though recently. I included notes from Season of Enchantment and I heard music from this season, so beautiful

[hushed steeple]

Hmmm, i’ll begrudgingly give up playing instruments so I can unmute the music for a bit until I figure out what causes that piano track to play

[fluid elbow]

hahah good luck)

[tulip aspen]

"in my analysis pages, you'll see me say "the king/prince"
the more accurate term is "the royal" but everyone likes the former term

in concept art the climax of the ending of the game is fighting the King, a corrupted Elder who is as tall as a skyscraper
architecture all over Sky and concept art references the King

the prince is also mentioned in concept art, but we have absolutely no solid evidence of who or what they would be/have-been
the king and prince are often mentioned interchangeably because concepts have done so

perhaps the prince grew up to be the king (after becoming the chosen one in the trials(??))

perhaps the prince was the King's son

perhaps we should realize we know literally absolutely nothing about the prince (even less than megabird)

canonchasing wise, talking about the prince/king always leads to dead ends, but headcanon/fanfic wise, they're an unlimited amount of possible content lolol"

[tulip aspen]

"the prophets could see glimpses of the future, and saw that they were supposed to anoint a king Chosen One through the power of trials

so they made the trials, a series of tests that happen in your mind

children of the light fall towards the isle of dawn, and the prophets seem to have sent Ushering Stargazer to bring the children to the trials, to have them tested

we dont know how many failed, but we can see that many DID fail, and when they did they became incapacitated somehow, and possibly even died...

eventually, a child of the light finally defeated all four trials, and was crowned king/(or)prince called Chosen One

this is all we know for sure, through the memories of the Ushering Stargazer, and through the paintings on the walls in the cave of prophecy"

also no, the little prince is not related to the sky prince at all lol (canonically)

[cyan jacinth]

My gods, the Spirits before were awful, but I can see why they did it even though its incredibly cruel

[distant turtle]

Fire Prophet's return brings a new prophecy, the turbo spin, proving beyond any doubt that the Royal was none other than the Skater from Season of Dreams, who, on that fateful day when Eden Palace was to be unveiled, executed a devastating Mach 3 double axel spin on top of the Eden diamond, matching its resonant frequency and causing a warble to form in its signature, amplifying the rotation into a torrential Storm which tore Eden to shreds. What Dreams May Come indeed!

[fringe hare]

What a ride 😂

[orchid jolt]

you know, alot of people have been joking about getting the glicthy spin fire proph is doing as an emote, and a fitting place for a glitch turned into an emote would be office. i mean, its not canon so the emote would also not be canon.

[harsh pecan]

I’m confused but I like it 👍

[hushed steeple]

Ohmygosh they added an official glitching fire proph emote

Who would not be wooed by such charming moves?

[open loom]

LOL they did??? which is it

[compact shale]

:PantsOnFire: but it's a GIF so it's nitro-locked

[hushed steeple]

Yeah. You can see it down there but I can’t use it :]

[frigid tinsel]

question two of the dev Q&A asks about lore. I'm listening to it rn

[main finch]

[open loom]

wait is fire prophet bigger than usual? or is he actually a 6' 6 giant

[frigid tinsel]

they called us out omg.
Elena: we are very excited to share more in future trailers, developer updates, and our lore discussion channel in our official discord.
Robert: you see that, #lore-discussion-spoilers? We see you.

[frigid tinsel]

they're just that big

[open loom]

I could've sworn they were shorter in the memory

[frigid tinsel]

here's the gif file

[cobalt palm]

TGC are watching
Lore channel got a shout out!

[frigid tinsel]

dev Q&A hinting at more realms, that the 7 realms are the ones "we're aware of," but they've been relying on adding seasonal areas to expand the game, characters, and lore.

[compact shale]

Wait what? What did they say?!

[open loom]

@last geode lol

[harsh pecan]

Lmaoo

[frigid tinsel]

Tim: we considered the 7 realms of Sky to be the only realms that we're aware of, but that doesn't mean we won't potentially add more stuff in the future... while I can't say we're going to add a whole new realm, what I can say that we're going to be focused on over the next year is adding more content, color, character to the existing realms we have. We actually have a lot of space in Sky, we have a lot of real-estate and there could be more things that could happen in those spaces.

[harsh pecan]

More realms

(Maybe Mem could be in one of them)

[opal galleon]

has anyone shared this yet
edit: oh yes lol

[frigid tinsel]

i just mentioned that jdfnlcmdsflkr

[harsh pecan]

Ayo what- woww

[upbeat rampart]

Lorechat, a casual question: how are butterflies...the way they are? Were their first formation from candle Light (to heal spirits maybe?) and then started to grow in population overtime?

Also they turn pink later on, any idea what is going on to them when they turned pink?

[harsh pecan]

How would they be made from candles?

[upbeat rampart]

I'm not sure, Candle Light in specific, like how they were created at Prairie Elder's cutscene

[frigid tinsel]

not lore relevant but i thought it was funny
Robert: I've seen those videos content creators make where one person and seven moths are honking loudly and chasing them around. I fear what would happen if we raised the [server] cap.

[harsh pecan]

Oh I need to rewatch the cutscenes

[upbeat rampart]

Moth Army shall rise! (Or maybe a war with moffs who knows)

[compact shale]

haefhdsfnsdfnwer THEY WATCH SKYTUBE AAAAA

[frigid tinsel]

in the Prairie elder cutscene, they use the skykid's light offering to make a butterfly. after that, a whole bunch of butterflies burst out of jars both in the elder's liminal space and in the temple. So prob not made from candles, rather something to do with the jars.

from dev Q&A: customizable emote list hasn't been a focus cos they've been working on optimizing the friendship constellation

[upbeat rampart]

Isn't it from the three candles in front of them?

(Give me a second I need to watch the cutscene as well)

Probably something that appears as a side effect from light stuffed in Jars then, yes?

[frigid tinsel]

also coming: more collaborations

[harsh pecan]

Ooooo

[compact shale]

Collabs will cause lore war as people struggle to understand that collabs simply aren't canon

[lofty void]

AND SKY FOR PC LETS GOOOO

[harsh pecan]

Yes

[frigid tinsel]

thing is, they may be canon or at least introduce stuff to canon

[compact shale]

But it's hard to tell

And collabs aren't usually canon due to copyright and legal stuff like that

We can't simply accept that they're non-canon like Office is?

[frigid tinsel]

cries in macOS

[frigid tinsel]

well they use the light from the candles, not the candles themselves.

[tulip aspen]

but prince can work

[willow prawn]

Hiii, does anyone got a transcript?

[hushed steeple]

Havent watched it yet. Anything at all worth while?

[compact shale]

In terms of lore? No, not really...

[hushed steeple]

Hhh figures

[compact shale]

They just promised that more will come soon, eh eh eh

[rigid mural]

That lore question was disappointing but at least the art book is on the way and we might get more news next year

I will comb through it like my life depends on it.

[willow prawn]

Just came back from watching it, and they mention us haha

I feel seen

[compact shale]

You are seen. he. he. he.

[distant turtle]

This channel got a kind shout out from the developers in the Q&A today. I find the community here to be insightful and I am humbled to learn your theories.

[naive sequoia]

Just checking in here because we got a shout-out haha

[tulip aspen]

the "we see you lore chat" is all i need

kinda makes me anxious, with that and ash

I'm the one who got the ball rolling making people aware we should know if there's an actual story bible or not

TGC watchlist moment (hi TGC)

[rigid mural]

Oh don't worry, most stuff popping here isn't entirely new, if you feel like you should be anxious about wanting to know the real story devs get access to, then by that logic this whole chat should be as well

[harsh pecan]

What was it?

[rigid mural]

If anything, this shows the channel's folks are invested enough for the devs to give us a shout-out.

@harsh pecan the regular "give us more lore pls" question they picked, its vagueness is convenient to reply with a WAFO, which is understandable but frustrating

[harsh pecan]

:(

[lucid spade]

does anyone know why golden wasteland lost its light?

[rigid mural]

wym ?

[tulip aspen]

i wasnt anxious about wanting, i literally got half of the lore community and lore moffs scared and riled enough that i was able to get us to summon ash

||twice||

i started a mini rebellion lolol

[lucid spade]

how did golden wasteland become how it is now

[rigid mural]

Ash beans us whenever they are told to/feels like it, I don't think you got dev summoning powers more than sheer luck 😂
As for the rebellion, this wouldn't be a first here.

[tulip aspen]

yeah, we should never waste a question with a "gib mor loor" tbh

specialized questions about existing lore and more important because may just actually answer xD

[tulip aspen]

oh i know.
they were definitely told to lol

someone noticed and got scared we were all getting mad about possible lack of defined story

[rigid mural]

I thought I was the one that started that rumor tbh

[tulip aspen]

maybe you did

[distant turtle]

I was confused but I loved the season and was just nitpicking for fun

It’s always a little sad because the characters we meet are ghosts so we don’t really get to know know them. But that’s part of the atmosphere of the game and there’s beauty in that.

[tulip aspen]

fruity, can you dig the archives?

I should too, I'd like to study what made them have to come out and respond with a second lore beaning

what every single worry about the Bible thing looked like

but for now it's back to work lolol

[compact shale]

Haunted world without the haunting

[rigid mural]

It's complicated, we know the realm was wracked by an armed conflict (war ? revolt ?) and that the local elder used the power of fire from prophecy to make those king turrets (those wierd towers in Graveyard and Battlefield with a 4 pointed star on top), but there's also blatant signs of heavy industrialization. Perhaps both contributed to Wastelands being so hostile...

[lucid spade]

thank you

[harsh pecan]

If you have the power to summon Ash then 👏

[distant turtle]

Also, the clouds over the area are outskirts of the Storm, which may have been even more violent at some point and caused destruction of its own.

[lucid spade]

alright thank you

one more thing, how did golden wasteland get so krill-infested

[harsh pecan]

Probs due to diamond production and darkness spreading idk

[rigid mural]

Unclear, we only know Krills are corrupted creatures but other than that, their presence or purpose is a mystery.

[lucid spade]

maybe they are creatures of the storm?

[rigid mural]

I did find out dark crabs and krills move in a similar pattern (more or less patrols an area, makes a sound when spotting you and yells while rushing at you) so maybe dark creatures have that signature behavior.

[lucid spade]

interesting

thank you

[rigid mural]

I have this theory darkness and dark creatures represent negative emotions felt during a lifetime (since the realms are based off stages of life), and they are more blatant later on as we accumulate regrets and trauma.

[lofty void]

Late but... I wonder if the devs know about what happened on July 15th/16th of this year in lorechat

[lucid spade]

i never knew they represented stages of life

[distant turtle]

I feel that Krill are meant to symbolize that all of the above happened. Like in the painting The Triumph of Death, where a death skeleton is riding a gaunt horse. In Sky, the environment breeds its own creatures.

[rigid mural]

Huh ? Did we get Resh'd

[lucid spade]

interesting. well thank you

[rigid mural]

You can find a poster in the office showing that; Dawn is birth, Prairie is childhood, Forest is teenagehood, Valley is young adulthood, Wastelands is mid-life, Vault is old age and Eden is death.

[lucid spade]

ohhh

i understand now thank you

[distant turtle]

Just educated guesses. There may have been friendly krill in the past.

[lofty void]

...no but lorechat made a fanelder

[rigid mural]

Well yeah. Since they are confirmed to be corrupted.

[rigid mural]

Bone elder from tumblr ???

[compact shale]

This might be the message you're looking for

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[rigid mural]

[lofty void]

nope

[compact shale]

Bone elder?

[lofty void]

but chaos insued, and I was part of it

[icy spruce]

Memememememememem

[distant turtle]

Maybe they were something else non-crustacean originally, or maybe they were always krill.

[twilit blade]

Who is this funny boi (image enhanced)

[compact shale]

Where's the picture of that darn Switch Trailer creature?

[icy spruce]

That’s the most brightest photo I’ve seen of that statue

Anyways, it’s prolly a Vault scholar

[rigid mural]

I hope this wasn't it that pushed the second beaning because I don't want to be perceived by any dev. I'm just here to talk about lore and commiserate about getting crumbs.

[compact shale]

We'll probably be getting one in about a month or so. Seems appropriate for the new year. Bean fireworks?

[rigid mural]

Let's hope I'm around when it happens.

[compact shale]

Do you wish to enter the world of lore inside jokes?

[rigid mural]

I wish to enter my bed, goodnight.

[icy spruce]

ehe

HEEHEHHEHEHEHHE

HEHEHSHAHSHSHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

another victim

[harsh pecan]

Scholar

[frigid tinsel]

This is the second time I’m hearing about this fanmade elder, what’s up with that?

[lofty void]

mem

[harsh pecan]

Mem was an fan made elder created by Anzu and some others. She lived in the Azure Depths and was related to Teth and Lamed (I think). Mem is gone as of right now 😔

[compact shale]

Mem retreats into the depths for now...

[frigid tinsel]

Huh, that’s it? I was getting a more sinister vibe

[harsh pecan]

Not just that

[compact shale]

I heard they ground up skykids

[frigid tinsel]

oh

[harsh pecan]

Pretty sure she was banished and ended up in the Azure Depths, also there was something about her getting corrupted or luring Sky kids idk I forgot

[lofty void]

yep :)

she also had an adoptive daughter but you can probably guess what happened

[harsh pecan]

Who was it?

[lofty void]

lore

[harsh pecan]

Ooooo

[lofty void]

siren :( died in the disaster that followed the eden explosion

[harsh pecan]

:(

[lofty void]

angst kills me inside

[frigid tinsel]

TGC give me the angst or I’ll make it myself

[compact shale]

*bad flute cover plays in the background

[cyan jacinth]

fan elder? whomst?

[lofty void]

scroll up a bit :D

[lofty void]

to here :>

[cyan jacinth]

oo

[tulip aspen]

mm i suppose

imo it all truly began when i publicized the intro inconsistency; that already had led me to believe they didn't connect whatever they do now to what Sky was at launch, and i said it many many times

[compact shale]

Mmm maybe

I just hope we don't start another lore war, mmm

[icy spruce]

we barely have lore wars (prolly)

Since the krills are corrupted vs natural is done and yknow how it ended

NOOOO KRILLS ARE NATURAL THEORRYYY

[compact shale]

How?

[icy spruce]

Tgc confirmed that krills are corrupted

[compact shale]

*natural krill theory falling off a cliff GIF

[icy spruce]

haha, wdym krills are natural theory is dead? hahaha hides a poorly stitched krills are natural theory

[compact shale]

It's dead, Jenova kiled it

[icy spruce]

lalalalalalalal, I can’t hearrr youu

[tulip aspen]

lore wars implies one organized belief against another

for 2 beliefs that bear conflict/inconsistency with one another to both become big enough that two sides widely accept each, both would have to either make sense and/or be appealing

but i suppose all it takes for an 'appealing/popular' theory to gain enough traction against one that actually has no debunks is for there to just be a lot of hype going on

with that scared im really terrified with what next season implies

[tulip aspen]

what is that theory?

[compact shale]

No idea but it's pretty much dead

[hushed steeple]

The theory of natrual krills is: That krills are an embodiment of natural darkness as just an enemy of light.

And are kinda just that way naturally.

Having their own physical forms instead of needing to possess light ones.

I been eating spoiler screenshots like mad but I still dunno what that means. And I sure aint gonna say anything about it.

[compact shale]

Ohhhh there it was.

[hushed steeple]

But remember its easy to interpret things lotta ways. I thought spirits where always spirits for like a week and never died. But lore season sounds nice. No story quest stuff have I eaten yet, will refrain for now.

[compact shale]

hopefully not another lore war.

[hushed steeple]

I still don’t think the first one was real

[compact shale]

First what?

[hushed steeple]

First war. I was here as it happened and barely noticed anything. BAHA.

[tulip aspen]

want me to explain it to you in dm?
its not a story detail

[hushed steeple]

Oh! If its not a story quest go ahead. Mighta been something I already seen anywho!

[compact shale]

Kami, have you completed Flight quests yet?

[hushed steeple]

Yeppy

[compact shale]

what story quests HAVEN'T you completed?

[hushed steeple]

I thought Jam was talkin about beta stuff

[compact shale]

No. That's illegal. I don't want to know.

[hushed steeple]

Yeppy. Plan to keep even hints far far away from this chat. I really dislike hints for things I want unspoiled.

[compact shale]

We can't do beta talk here. But I can say that I have... mixed feelings.

[hushed steeple]

O, right, the piano melody was in flight. It played after the overly long intro and carried over into starlight. Seems like every visit grants you either guitar stum or piano.

[compact shale]

Ohhh the music glitch. It's not that deep lol?

[hushed steeple]

I thought it fit starlight very nicely though. And it is odd flight has 2 background tracks.

[compact shale]

Ohhh. Hm. Is the old music copyrighted too?

[hushed steeple]

No starlight used archive music. I think it still does. OH AND I SAW THE MANTA AGAIN FINALLY. I THINK IT APPEARS ON EVEN HOURS FOR MY TIME

[compact shale]

Wait, wait a minute.

You can change the music of the Wind Paths using this thing on Chimesmith's island. I just learned this from another server. (the pic isn't mine)

[hushed steeple]

WHA

WELL I WISH THAT WAS EXPLAINED BUT HOW FREAKIN COOL IS THAT

[icy spruce]

haha wha t

[jaunty tapir]

ah yeah, it unlocked with the last quest, i think i saw people talking about it on the day the fifth quest opened over at seasons chat

[compact shale]

Does Clement or anyone have an infographic on how it works?

[slow portal]

you stand on it and when you press the music icon the skykid does an animation of stomping on the chimes and it changes the music
the change in music can be heard all the way up till the cloud tunnels, but won't carry on to the realm you enter

[jaunty tapir]

here's a vid by kie! #seasons-events-chat message

haven't seen an infographic about it yet

[compact shale]

No I mean what music does it switch to? (I think when a Flight spirit becomes a TS one of them will have this)

So the chimes DO have a control pad! Nice!

[jaunty tapir]

i think i heard this music for the flight teaser? hmmm

also TIL from Kie. I didn't notice the change i sent here since there was a conversation here before about chimes

i’m sure others have noticed but i like how the phrase when u enter the wind paths changes after u finish the final quest iirc before it used to say “abandoned paths of the ancient kingdom” and now it says “chimes guide creatures to clear passage through the realms”

[compact shale]

So the chimes were used to redirect the birdpower to where the spirits wanted it, huh

(I've always thought the chimes led birbs to the paths while also leading them away from the ancestors' boats, that would not be a good ending for them if they got run over)

[jaunty tapir]

yeah i think the conclusion lore chat reached after ash's visit was: chimes = redirect, bells = call ? not sure

[compact shale]

Wait, I just noticed something.

The chimes can be rung by wind currents, while the bells have to be manually activated using the candles. Could it be that a reason why the chimes redirect...

Is because the wind signifies the season/time for migration, so that the chimes will ALWAYS redirect when the time is right.

[jaunty tapir]

Oooh good point. Irl, wind changes current depending on season (gravity). And Ash did say before that they wanted to tie in Eden/migration with Flight.

[oblique oasis]

So. Anyone feel like having an in depth and obsessive discussion about Eden lore with me

Specifically regarding Alef/Resh

[jaunty tapir]

haha just dump it here, people will comment when they're active!

[oblique oasis]

So, what are y'all takes on Alef/Resh? I like to think that they had/have three but legs like sun crows from that one myth where the guy shoots down nine/eight suns, depending on your version

I'm Chinese btw in case anyone is worried about cultural appropriation, which everyone should be

Like, with the sun crows their mom was a solar deity and also led the crows across thesky in a sun chariot

Also did i mention i don't like Megabird

[compact shale]

Wait, why not?

[oblique oasis]

Because of some of the earlier contact i had with Sky lore was mainly about how horrible a mother she was

A poem by vivi-the-skykid on tumblr if I'm not mistaken, taking a focus on the neglect the first child of light felt

How they never heard their mother's voice, which was supposed to give them through life

[compact shale]

Whoops. I may or may not have made a theory where they're not so benevolent and/or incomprehensible to humans. Sorry...

[oblique oasis]

I'm interested, please continue

[compact shale]

😅 Sorry, you're too late. I killed it off.

[oblique oasis]

Aww what? Why?

[compact shale]

Because it stopped being plausible, that's why.

edit: for the most part.

[oblique oasis]

Ah, understandable

To me Megabird was a poor mother because they didn't understand emotions and was also not above using people for her own benefit even if she did

[compact shale]

Awwwh...

Wait, let me recompose my non-benevolent Megabird for you...

[oblique oasis]

Yay!

Continue typing what you've got, I'll continue my rant in the meanwhile

So Megabird sent Alef down as a way to get everyone back to the stars, and gave him a lot of light

But the thing is, because a certain prophecy said so, the moment he landed they took him to the cave as the chosen one. Megabird planned this, ofc, which was why he landed so close to the cave

Tw death mention ahead

I quite like the theory that you don't die in the trials whether you're a skid or not

But you can feel the pain, which is why most ppl only do one. If you complete one you can become a prophet of that element

They kinda... Forced Alef to do all of them because of the prophecy, and he became the first Prince in the history of Sky

Which. As you can guess really messed with them because they could feel EVERYTHING.

Over and over again.

[compact shale]

well my theory is about to reach the word limit... darn it.

[icy spruce]

doc

put it in a doc

[oblique oasis]

So that was heccin painful. But once he became Prince it only got worse. It gave them some major issues and he distanced themself from everyone else, which is what caused the perceived coldness from the spirits as portrayed by vivi's poem

[icy spruce]

oof

[oblique oasis]

They asked him for help and advice, but they only saw that as them using him as a tool

Then darkstone happened, and everything just got awfuness x100

By this point the spirits really did start setting him as an outsider too, so now they truly were treated the way they thought they were being treated

So this is why I don't like Megabird because if she has just. TRIED to take care of their child. It wouldn't have been so bad. At least you tell chess pieces what to do. Resh just had to do stuff and hope it was the right thing.

Which is how the Kingdom fell, because the Child of Infinite Light was completely drained of it

Right I'm all wrung out, what've y'all got?

[oblique oasis]

Did you put it on a doc? hopeful glance

[compact shale]

Oh goodness FINALLY

Here we goooo~~

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WVsR04pN-7jueKQuForhgwZXbv1WANdwT0CFFbuxX7U/edit?usp=sharing

[oblique oasis]

Reading time~

[rigid mural]

You're not appropriating cultures when you draw parallels with mythologies, just so you know.

[oblique oasis]

Aight, good to know, I'm just young and learning

[rigid mural]

If anything that's cultural appreciation, especially when you start looking at them in depth !
I like to think of megabird not as a character, but as a natural event like the water cycle.

[compact shale]

Iiiiiiit's the ciiiiiiiiiiiiiiiircleeeeeeeeeeee of liiiiiiiiiiifeeeeeee....

(or rather, liiiiiiiiiight)

[icy spruce]

(well, light and life are the same in the world of sky soo uhh circlleee of life slash lighhtttttt)

[compact stone]

Oh these theories! They hurt my heart!

[fluid elbow]

yes, and the music is different. it became available after all the quests

[oblique oasis]

@compact shale i read it, and it is. Freaking awesome mate, good job. I love it so much, especially the little cliffhanger at the end

Absolutely love seeing other people's takes on lore, but i have one question: what's the distraction theory?

Your Alef/Resh i love. I personally end up writing angsty tortured villains (and i may have based the perfectionism on my younger self) but i love reading about other people's characters because at this point edgy teenager is growing trite.

Selfish impulsive Alef eeeeeeeee!

[compact shale]

This is the last version of it before its death, it is... ||very controversial actually.|| Not good for canonchasing.

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[icy spruce]

oof, it got censored

[oblique oasis]

What? What just happen to my message

[icy spruce]

it got deleted

prolly cause one of the words is censored

[oblique oasis]

Oh. Well. I like the idea and the revised version is great, i don't exactly agree with the og but you are pretty creative to come up with that (positive), @compact shale

[icy spruce]

fisch

[compact shale]

fischl

[oblique oasis]

It's a miniature whale. This has lore potential

I'll go somewhere else for now, bye

[compact shale]

It is time for me to depart, too.

[icy spruce]

[tulip aspen]

bru i enjoy your takes, plausible or not

they scare me and it's cool like that

[compact shale]

Kehehe, kehehehehe!

[tulip aspen]

yesss!!!

the biiiirddsss

[harsh pecan]

I love this theory- I just have one question, what happened to the other fallen children that survived? Since you said “most of them died” I assume atleast a few of them survived (besides Alef)

[tulip aspen]

btw mentioned your quote in a doc of mine @rigid mural

is that okay to keep?

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QeIMzNaPz-TzC8ZHrdUYTOZ99zObm1PYx65sejTyIfc/edit?usp=drivesdk

[compact shale]

"Most of them died" can refer to all but one, iirc

[harsh pecan]

Ohhhh right

[rigid mural]

Yeah no problem 😂 I seldom care on whose docs my theories end up as long as I'm credited

Might actually do a doc of my own next year

[oak axle]

So I have this theory where the end of the Sky civilization resulted into each realm stopping at a certain time of day.

Isle of Dawn was the first and the longest before Daylight came close second then more than a century later Hidden and the rest of the realm became what we know today.

[willow prawn]

It sounds neat! And considering we see Valley of Triumph in the night only in the Temple scene and the last Dreams quest scene, it would mean it happened before

Although, I personally think it's more of a gameplay feature than lore itself ever since, during one of the polls, they asked what your skykid did at night when you logged off and one of the options was stargazing in Prairie

For those who didn't read the poll

[oak axle]

Ohhhhhh, interesting actually

[rigid mural]

I will be honest, Stellify is a community dev and not a game dev, it's possible to have been an oversight to make a pretty aesthetic mental picture and get engagement.

[rigid mural]

Raider got an interesting theory involving time loops, if you're interested !

[willow prawn]

Maybe! But I think I read once the kingdoms not changing by hour was more of a technical complication + a decision in terms of gameplay

[oak axle]

I’m interested

[rigid mural]

Fair ! I like to think the portals only work at certain times of the day, if home is a canon place.
Kind of like neolithic stones aligning with solstices and equinoxes.

[rigid mural]

@/Raider#9469's theory includes the daily/weekly cycles in the canon, basically saying the world operates in a time loop because the king who oversaw it is now deceased. We're trapped repeating the same tasks until the world has healed enough.
He says he thinks megabird and the king worked together, based off the illustration beneath the office portal.
Tag him if you want more but that's what I understood in a nutshell.

[sand fjord]

Hey, does anyone have a doc or something else containing what we know canonically in lore so far, anything that would help a "newcomer"? I'm only now becoming interested in discovering everything in lore instead of only just messing around in game with friends 😅

[icy spruce]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/10ZWJRGiJSrIXgDvJ4pST61moZbVB_hBExUjOaF-pmOE/edit

[tulip aspen]

you can always take a look at my findings and theories

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=1ODQbDWCV3lPLtob_-baBsH1hFI8vQYSp

[boreal nebula]

To whoever create this fan-concept art I would really like to tell them I agree on memory lanterns and memory stones combining into a functioning memory projector

But I also thing the slot is put inside from the lateral holes thus, with a beam on the crystal lens on the back, passing through the memory sticked in and projecting out the memory from the last big opening on the front

I consider that arch/eye/rainbow shape the marking spot of the second huts in Brook area in Forest, as seen in the Assembly map inside the Headquarter (on that the 3 huts marks are placed inside a minimal map of Hidden Forest)

[boreal nebula]

🇼 🇦 🇹

[willow prawn]

Yeah! A while after sharing that I went and took that same set of photos minus lamp

I failed to found the half-square in the third house tho

[distant turtle]

My own feeling is that the world is not stuck at any particular time of day, but that we are presented with a single time of day for artistic purposes and to aid in lighting the scene.

[boreal nebula]

Me too, but that just seems the most cryptic of the symbol, despite it's obvious location suggest that hut

[boreal nebula]

In my mind Megabird is much like the result of the cycle/migration. OR maybe the force who attract the light creatures into doing the cycle, thus resulting in creating the shape see in the sky that is worshipped by the Ancestors

Maybe only the most light-er creatures could be able to fullfill that call to reach the Ascension and reincarnated

Mainly in my headcanon there is only lying beings that is able to sustain that, even if maybe longed an worshipped with a good reason. The cycle somehow sustain the ecosystem on the planet, even if the Ancestors or any other creatures don't get the main "benefit" of rebirth (after all we can acknowledge the presence of many kind of animals through while varieties of masks)

Was Megabird a "bad mother" by not allowing Ancestors or Animals to do that? NO, I thing the only good she could do was to sustain them with all positive aspect given by the cycle, the flow of energy helped the ecosystem.

But while animals could live carefree, the Humans sort of longed the Ascension. IMHO (but that's inspired by the old intro) there were even the Elders who helped the Ancestors to obtain this desired Ascension.

Why did they helped them?

Maybe they were beings who could live in perpetual life among the stars but, once they could foretell the coming of the Darkness they decided to descend of the planet to help the Ancestor-kind to raise to salvation with Ascension.

The Ancestors already could live quite carefree on the world, since after death the maybe still could retain they mortal life memories and help the newer generation (or at least it's the vibe I get from that "as spirits our light was infinite"). A pretty decent second-life, aye.

It could have been a great shame to let that light to perish with the coming Darkness, so by descending the Elders lost their "divine right" to return among the stars (they were demigod on the stars, no simple immortals on the lands)

Many thinks that some Temples were Factories with the purpose of juicing mantas, but I'm pretty sure that concept was scrapped (as I pointed out there are differences between HF temple and those concept art)

In my mind they helped they Kingdom technological advancement by being able to harness the light power from creatures in a cruelty-free way, By Induction (sort of like a magnet can make electricity flow in a copperwire without touching it)

[final mist]

Hi i am new here, can I ask what is the meaning for the word “canon” and “head canon”?

[boreal nebula]

With prophecy of the Chosen One fullfilled (trials and their Elements achieved) the process was made easier and the creation of Eden was easier.

But their plan to use the Eden Giant Red Power Diamond to establish a beam (connection to Megabird to their final goal of Ascension) somehow backfired and the only made the darkness spread quickly on the 7 Realms

[nimble ingot]

canon means what is official to the game/developers about the lore.

Head canon is what a person thinks is canon. But may not he accurate, and more of a personal opinion.

[final mist]

Thank you for explaining Raider!

[nimble ingot]

no problem 🙂
If you need anything else on this channel, feel free to ask.

[final mist]

Thanks! Lots to read 😄 exciting

[boreal nebula]

If the last quest from Flight means those events before (and we simply relive them to help Spirits in their therapy session to gather who they were in their past life), Ancestors were able to fix the darkness infestation pretty quick and they could live happily* ever after...

Meanwhile the Eden Cataclysm was sealed in the 7th Realm (seal of the Fives on Eden Door) thanks to Daleth sacrifice (in physical form), and with the other Elders creating other seals/barriers to protect each realm from the other as compartments (thus most of the darkness is near Eden)

But the Happily Ever After* was only partial.

Somehow, even if they didn't destroy the whole kindgom, they somehow slowly sewered the connection between the Spirits and the Livings

With less and less help from the Spirits guidance the darkness made slowly fade away the whole Kingdom into ruins

Until there were the coming of the Sky Kids who were created as creatures of half darkness and half light to help those lost souls to reach the kindness of Orbit through regaining their memories

In the end, even if Ancestors couldn't ascend like light creatures, we as Sky Kids with our neutral nature, could connect with each spirit and by sacrificing ourself were able to achieve the true Ascension.

And maybe which in each cycle we sort of save more and more souls along the way

THE END

[tulip aspen]

what

[raven wraith]

bravo

[oak zenith]

Can someone explain why sky kids have a heartbeat?

[nimble ingot]

They have a soul (theoretically)
The have living light in them (the winged light)
The Skykids are not a manmade creation, they are from the orbit, so they are likely a creation of the Megabird (the god of Sky).
I like to think that skykids are like Pinnochio, a living creation. But not a true human child.

[oak zenith]

Ohhh I always thought they were like a Oreo: light then live body, then coated in more light.

[compact shale]

My headcanon is that the candle inside our chest pulsates, making that sound.

[harsh pecan]

Now that you mention it, Pinocchio and skids kind of have similarities

[nimble ingot]

Yup, both are blessed by a magical being that could be a motherly figure, but not really.
They are innocent and naive. They learn from humans on how to act.

[compact shale]

Sky: World of Pinnochios

[harsh pecan]

Y e s

[arctic spire]

done eden .. make me remember that .. the light is soul and the skykid that's turns to grey are body

[distant turtle]

We are kind of like angels

[arctic spire]

nahh .. seems like we kinda of new generation , spirit elders .. was living and guiding us with their memories

this game good with someone that have troubles w identify emotions or wanting to learning emotions

its help user identify which emotions for what they feel inrl and thats makes them realize oh this is example : feel shy

[tulip aspen]

hey, that's my line!

[frigid tinsel]

if you're interested, here's my working theory for the composition of a skykid:
—clothing, hair, masks & other cosmetics made of light
—a physical shell made of some magic-induced earthen material (i.e. clay, ash, charcoal)
—hollow insides full of light, such as winged light
—their flame, manifesting as their red candle & the light in their chest
—their soul

[oblique oasis]

I think the only reason that the devs never confirmed the child from the stargazer's memory to be Alef is because they figured it would be obvious enough that we wouldn't expect them to

[arctic spire]

wow nice ..theres some i agree and not ..this just my opinion .

i agree on

• physical shell are from earth material
• their flame (to me soul) manifest as candle or light to purify darkness .

i disagree on

• clothes or accessories from light

• as those spirit crafted using earth material (i remember spirit memories that show they craft smth )

*hallow inside full of wl

• i disagree as we died ..we already consumed one light that we hug before reborn , we reborn to collect wl and store it on cape , thats why cape level have light colour (white) and not others rainbow colours

[arctic spire]

i think we descendants of alef .. not alef themselves/ itself/ himself bruhh idk gender

[frigid tinsel]

you have a point about the wl, given wl does power a skykid's cape, so it's liable it may compose the skykid's cape. though I'm not certain. in Eden, however, they pull winged light out from the hole in their chest, so it must be inside them to some capacity.

fyi, the hollow theory pre-exists my involvement in the community. it's based on the fact that 1) skykids are able to slide uphill, so they must be very light or don't have a lot of mass; 2) they ding when crashing into solid objects at high speeds, a sound they'd only be able to make if their bodies as hollow. try snapping on an empty metal bottle or a ceramic mug to emulate it.
I added that they must be full of light because when they open their eyes... well, look at their faces. bright beams of light. also skykids may have been made to be vessels (of winged light in particular). if not winged light, then there's definitely light in there, perhaps their flame(?)

[compact shale]

I don't think light really weighs anything. We are about as heavy as a pile of bird bones.

[frigid tinsel]

devs have said in the past that gender doesn't exist in Sky, so technically everyone is agender & nonbinary thus one should use they/them pronouns but there's definitely some gender-coding that makes people assign he or she. I use they/them exclusively.
(btw, using it/its pronouns to refer to someone without their permission is offensive cos dehumanization). not calling you out, just letting you know for the future.

[compact shale]

Belonging Grandma is the only one with a gender. They're referred to as a "Grandma spirit" with "she" in the patch note

"...and for players who enjoy meeting the Grandma spirit, she periodically holds a timed event at the Ancestor’s table of Belonging in the elevated clearing of Hidden Forest."

https://thatgamecompany.helpshift.com/a/sky-children-of-the-light/?p=all&s=patch-notes&f=patch-notes---november-18-2021---0-15-5-179535-ios-179644-android-179482-switch-1637266164&l=en

[frigid tinsel]

people can be nonbinary and still use he/him or she/her pronouns. ex: me

[compact shale]

What about the "Grandma" part tho? Also good catch, didn't know that before.

[frigid tinsel]

people can also use gendered terms and still be nonbinary, whether binary gender-adjacent or just a preference

[tulip aspen]

canonchase/research wise, color/light levels seems like an irrelevant detail, unintentional by devs

but yes cosmetics beings projections of their light is only just a headcanon for now, but a widely popular one due to alasdair's and my findings, just because it just works so well

it's a similar concept to splatoon: they shapeshift canonically

if our clothes aren't canonically explained to be easy to form over us magically, then that means all clothes except moth outfit are not canon

and imo that's a really unaccepting view/theory to have, from a popularity standpoint

[compact shale]

Hhhhh yeah, no one's gonna believe that clothes aren't canon LMAO

[mossy brook]

Does anyone have stuff on Megabird? I’ve recently lurked onto lore lately and they seem like an interesting topic

[frigid tinsel]

think the lore moth doc has an entry on Megabird, cant remember for certain

[frigid tinsel]

imagine tho: skykids wearing physical clothing /hj
after further thought, they'd be less aerodynamic

[tulip aspen]

i assume the ancestors did, (observation from SLT) so perhaps only the skykids have that ability, and not ancestors or ancient CotL

our clothes and capes are glowy and simple colors, they look like they are made of Light

ancestors in the nintendo trailer seem to wear real fabric, possibly made from the trees and silk and such

[frigid tinsel]

the alternative is if skykids aren't full of light, they're full of wax

[compact shale]

How heavy is wax?

[frigid tinsel]

not very, can depend on how much wax there are square inch but in general wax is very light.
skykids full of wax is a half-joke cos of my "where do skykids store their wax they collect from candle running?" thought i had during another late night

[mossy brook]

if skykids were made out of wax it would be disturbing to know we’re passing around our flesh as currency

[compact shale]

EUEUGHNGNNGNN whyyyyyyy

[frigid tinsel]

par for the course if you play Fallen London

[tulip aspen]

heh?

[arctic spire]

i think not waxs ?

[frigid tinsel]

i'm half joking

[mossy brook]

Not going to lie sky: children of the wax can sound cool in some context. It’s almost like the mix of Ground: adults of the dark and Sky: Children of the light

What would it be? Sea: teenagers of the wax?

[arctic spire]

light or more correctly .. seeing isle cutscene "now we call to you. go forth child, return our spirit to the stars" imo .. we part of light stars

[mossy brook]

Wait.. with that text canonically we are also spirits since we are from stars and so are they.

im going to become dismiss now

[arctic spire]

yeah ..but new version ig ? new generation

[frigid tinsel]

tbf some dress their skykids like teenagers.

[arctic spire]

bc they said " but darkness came and star fell , and with their light we faded" so means they all faded ? die ? no .. cant be die ..as "we call to u " must be some Alive ..

i can post to you all isle words cutscene if u want

[frigid tinsel]

the "we" in the intro likely refers to the ancestors. whether they were stars descended or not is debatable, but skykids are not spirits.
also you might ignite Jam with that intro talk /hj

[icy spruce]

are you sure about that?

[mossy brook]

~~hush I’m materializing my dreams of becoming dismiss if I hope enough ~~

[arctic spire]

isle dawn cutscene words

with the stars united , our light was infinite and together we lived in harmony

as spirit, we soon became many . creating our home here in the clouds

but darkness came and the stars fell . and with their light we faded away

a long time passed , now we call to u. go forth child, return our spirit to the stars.

[icy spruce]

ye, that’s the thing that confuses me

LIKE WHAT??? TGC YOU SAID ANCESTORS ARE STARS HEN REFERRED TO THE ELDERS AS STARS????

[compact shale]

Troposphere: Teenagers of the Wax

(the troposphere is the first layer of the atmosphere)

[tulip aspen]

The discourse and discussion is fine, but it's very dangerous to imply that what you're saying is Canon, because discussion can get heated very fast over that

all of us equally have to make sure that we aren't implying that we're gatekeeping some idea or concept

[arctic spire]

credit to YouTuber Unknown940 Games

[hushed steeple]

The one that said the elders are included in the stars was the Japanese one. It was never translated. Could still be canon. The assumed lost english one only said ancestor spirits are star- wait a second its 12 am I really should no t be checking lore chat

[tulip aspen]

I can't give actual input right now because I'm very busy but yeah guys let's just keep our wording safe

[icy spruce]

r u awake

Prolly, mistranslation often happens

[compact shale]

I guess something got lost in translation for the Japanese version?

[arctic spire]

can i know what about Japan ver like ? their words

[hushed steeple]

I really should not be.

@compact shale I don’t even know who translated it in the lore doc. But it could very well just mean elder means elder. As far as I know the two I mentioned are completely different streams, not different languages of the same stream, to clarify

Ok night yall

[compact shale]

Good night, Kami! :D

[icy spruce]

night- or morning to ya since 12 am

[frigid tinsel]

1:30am
EST gang

[compact shale]

Good mornight! :p

[tulip aspen]

night kami!!

[icy spruce]

damn, go to sleep to refill ur brain juice

[arctic spire]

in my opinion, base on cutscene i share, we fall alongside w stars.. so.. isnt that mean we are the stars light or part of stars light ?

[frigid tinsel]

today was the last day of the semester, i am going to stay up as long as i can and enjoy it guilt free

[icy spruce]

Oh nice

now pull an all-nighter (/j)

[frigid tinsel]

i mean, i'm not going to pull an all-nighter. i did that several times over the last two weeks and i'm not putting myself through that. I'm just playing Sky

[frigid tinsel]

we, skykids, are literally stars ✨

[arctic spire]

so .. we agree that its light stars inside our Skykid ?

[icy spruce]

personally, I think skids are neutral

[arctic spire]

neutral as in ? please don't take this offensive ..i just having fun talking this out and taking this as consideration opinion

[icy spruce]

mix of dark and light

dw, im not offended

[arctic spire]

oh thats great to know

mix dark n light ?u mean like in eden before reborn ? gray kid combined w light kid?

[icy spruce]

ye

[arctic spire]

in my opinion , gray kid are just body , or statue .. without light it cant moves as light i call it soul

[icy spruce]

cool

[arctic spire]

so to me .its not mix ..more like gray kid are a container or body and us are light the ones that moves container or body around

[icy spruce]

ok

[arctic spire]

bc in eden shows , the gray kid became statue cant moves without light

[icy spruce]

nice

[frigid tinsel]

A lot of people draw their headcanons from Tom Zhao’s concept art. So when people say skykids are neutral, they’re referring to this

[compact shale]

Yes, we believe that skykids still have enough design aspects for this to be true on the most part.

[arctic spire]

im still new to thos lore ..so idk much the theory that they have made ..ty for sharing

[icy spruce]

Hi Still New To Thos Lore, I’m Chesca

[arctic spire]

so they concluded elders are from... darkness?

[frigid tinsel]

I personally don’t rely so much on concept art cos it’s concept art — uncertain how much concepts survived development to live and it looks like quite a bit didnt — but given the dearth of concrete lore in-game, I don’t blame folk for turning to it

[icy spruce]

ye

[compact shale]

Yeye, but maybe we'll get bean fireworks from Ash coming January! Hm?

[arctic spire]

hmm.. interesting theory

[arctic spire]

why? we not fighting tho.. we just sharing opinion? did i offense anyone here ? if i do im sorry i just having fun talking and figuring stuff out ..all i said are all base on my opinion , please remember that as i dont try any fight

[frigid tinsel]

Fruity just used so many in-jokes it’s mind numbing to the uninitiated, don’t worry you did nothing wrong

[icy spruce]

ah, then you’ll hate me

[icy spruce]

It wasn’t even fighting lmao

It’s just saying “we might get a lore drop in January”

[compact shale]

It wasn't...

What do you want to talk about?

[arctic spire]

oh to me when someone said "bean" its mean "warning" ..so i got confused .. didn't know "bean fireworks" mean "lore drop"

[icy spruce]

Is oka

[willow prawn]

Here beans are the goods or small tidbits of information!

[arctic spire]

imma leave lore discussion .. its nice having uguys join my opinion talk.cya

[frigid tinsel]

I appreciate you coming feel free to drop by whenever.
I’m going to try to sleep since the power went out

[tulip aspen]

yes!

finally another intellectual who understands dark =/= shadow, just lacking of Light

[tulip aspen]

nice to talk to ya!

for me personally, the "dark/lightlessness" of ancestors, skykids, ect just refers to their shells, and that the shell actually separates them quite a bit from their connection to the Sky, so much so that for all of these Beings, keeping what's left of that connection after becoming an earthen Being becomes a constant tug and pull to not let go of it

[tulip aspen]

id honestly still like to see if this could be a viable possibility

[oblique oasis]

What is it that differs the elders from other ancestors/light creatures?

[boreal nebula]

They way I see it is, almost anything

Yes, me met them in an ethereal dimension after a meditation (so their sort of spirits) normal ones their have a greater pourpose, each of them have a power of its own and use it for the same purpose (gatekeeping the passage from realms)

So I don't think it's just the stature than make a Elder differes from a Ancestors, they seems like a completely different kind.
Maybe that's why they survived in their pocket dimensions instead of losing corporeal life and memories from their souls with the advent of Darkness, like all the Spirits we help put together their previous memories to help them pass on

Then again, besides all my considerations... I'm pretty sure Devs themselves said Sky Kid don't grown up into Ancestors or Elders, because each is a different species

[boreal nebula]

Similary to them being different species there's one thing I forgot to tell about my ideas of cycles of beings (and how that may have influenced the civilization into its demise)

Much like Kids, Ancestors & Elders are different species all the light creatures are as such. Each with their own life cycle!

What do I mean?
Simply put, there's no evolution cycle bird→manta→elder manta→whale
||Or at least not in a Pokemon Evolution sequence topology||

[tulip aspen]

the elders seem to be some sort of weaker deities sent down to earth directly by the Sky to save and ascend spirits in the temples via what seems to be an intensive meditative processing

that's all we canonically know

[boreal nebula]

SoFlight left a tiny hint but with a big relevsncd.
If you look closer at the Light Whisperer's memories she hold a hurt "dove", but when that is healthy and ready to take off it's visible to have the same dorsal horns as those we see on the "Elder Manta"

||Baby Elder Manta||

[tulip aspen]

oh?

could it not have just been a new type of bird with a yellow tailfeather?

could you send pictures of this bird possibly?
i don't remember it looking remotely like a manta but if you're right that could be interestingly revolutionary

[boreal nebula]

After all we should have already figured out from the cosmic Multi-Wing Manta in floor 5 (or whatever) that they grow from their own baby versions

Each one, Butterfly, Bird(or birds since, why not, many species are still possible), Manta, "Elder Manta", Multi Wings, Whale, have their own baby→grownup cycle.

But maybe after a certain number of ascensions they can evolve into another creature (if not having reincarnation into a different species)

... wait I forgot..., How we call the whale like creature circling aroun Sanctuary?

[boreal nebula]

Shaped like a "baby manta" (Those circling around Sanctuary Bells) but with 1 dorsal horn on the back

[tulip aspen]

wohhhh

thats awesome teb

great observation

we should tell the rest of the gang about this, this could start up some important new discussion

[boreal nebula]

If we call that whale-like creature Elder Manta than I'm sorry I maybe mixed up what I meant..

The baby in Lightwisheperer seems an offspring of the 4Wing manta circling around Sanc Mountain (was it called a Queen Manta?! )

[tulip aspen]

it was either king or elder manta lolol im not sure which tho

[boreal nebula]

Damn... I

Don't want to read
And edit my past comments!

||Mqybe later ||

[tulip aspen]

teb its not that big of a deal no one will be mad at you

I feel something that's a tad toxic but still accepted is gatekeeping names

whether we're Canon chasing or not in a current discussion, people should feel free to call characters and important archetypes whatever the heck they want

if we were gatekeeping names I would literally never let any of you say the name mega bird without correcting you saying that the sky really isn't just one understandable being lolol

[placid chasm]

Anyone how how many cm/m irl the tallest sky kid would be?? <3 (height 1)

[compact shale]

Umm... to establish a scaling system in a video game we need to find an object that exists irl and only has 1 possible/standard height. In this case we would probably go to ||Office|| and find an IRL object with definite measures. Maybe we could ask Ash for the diameter of the ||Office pizza|| and work from that?

[sly lake]

Couldn't you just use a standard pizza as reference, if you're wanting to use that as a guideline? I doubt their pizza is a special unique size.

Generally, I think you could imagine a skykid as standing around a generic kid height. You can kind of tell that they are around that height based on their height compared to office desks, cabinets, and chairs.

[tulip aspen]

would that work well?

make sure the staff spirits in office are actually realistically proportionate to the rest of the office first then, and then yeah this scaling idea should work out

[tulip aspen]

is there a fridge?

fridges are often a bit taller than 6 feet (2 meters)

at least in america anyways, which is where TGC and Office resides

[icy spruce]

just break into tgc’s hq and measure their fridge, smh smh

/hj

[compact shale]

Okay, if one fridge is 6 feet, maybe someone who's good with scales can work from that!

[icy spruce]

didn’t someone did the what r skids height

[rigid mural]

Ask ash or ktjn to measure the fridge next lore beaning lmaooo

[distant turtle]

Yes it was awesome too. It is linked on skykidheight.com. a discord link which doesn't work on mobile for me.

[hushed steeple]

Didn’t we already have those exact same flappy pancake mantas in sanct around the bell tower? I don’t think they are new.

And the big big manta that takes you to the high island in sanct and breaks the rocks in flight was called “great manta”

[boreal nebula]

Yes, those were already in game, but you couldn't see them still and I for example wouldn't have noticed the dorsal horn without this tiny detail from Flight

I guess my old silly theory about a pupil becoming thePrince Chosen By Trials is now debunked for good

TGC polished his hair

[tulip aspen]

its called the great manta?

also AAAAAAAAA

[hushed steeple]

O there was something I wanted to point out about fire prophet hair. I was staring at the back of the skykids neck, theres a diamond below the hairline.

[compact shale]

Wait how?

[hushed steeple]

When they thought the Prince had to be one of the pupils instead of the Prince can’t be one of the pupils. Usually by saying the amount of bodies on the murals just coincidentally matches the number of students and that it does not actually mean anything. Brbrbrbr

[boreal nebula]

There was hair bug on the Dreadlock pupil (which seems to be an old bug that previous affected the Sneaky Survivor's hair too, but I didn't witnessed that) so I thought it could be a hint of a "crown"

You can check that unpolish pupil in my comment I replied to

[icy spruce]

the ‘crown’ looks cool

[rigid mural]

What if anubis mask qg was the one that got through the trials

[icy spruce]

O?

that’s new

[rigid mural]

They got a halo like the golden figure on the murals, and you only get the mask ult after finishing the season and trials

[frigid tinsel]

Someone made https://skykidheight.com/ which is based off the first picture I have attached. On that site, you have the ability to compare with an image of a skykid at the tallest height, which the site measures at 1.20m or 3’ 11”.
Bonus: I’ve also attached my own skykid’s height attached to my irl height for curiosity’s sake and yea they’re short.
Edit: actually the last pic might be inaccurate cos I was working with a poor screenshot.

[rigid mural]

Everyone: "Is the one that won the trials the prince ? The king ? Who is that golden figure ?"
Prophecy QG: 👀
Prophecy QG: 👀 💦

[sharp lichen]

I always liked that theory. It would make sense that the one who completed all the trials became the guardian of the trials

[frigid tinsel]

Prophecy QG shilling off their responsibilities

[rigid mural]

The season takes place in isle. Concept isle elder raised the king.
Prophecy qg could be the king hiding from his crimes

[icy spruce]

where are my 1490 hearts

@sharp lichen

[rigid mural]

I don't really believe QG is the king but I do think they completed all trials themselves

[sharp lichen]

Maybe QG and the young King had a rivalry?

[rigid mural]

No idea, I just think QG's halo isn't here just to be pretty, esp with that golden hue.

[sharp lichen]

It does have some similarities…

[placid chasm]

thanks so much!! i went to that website and the discord didnt work on phone, so thanks for answering <3 I'm making a refence sheet of my sky kid and I'm height 1, which i was unsure of how tall it was irl.

[turbid cliff]

,,,Y'all- This is just a small lil babey theory of mine, but,

What if that child in the switch trailer for sky is who the prince/or King used to be?

Unless that's too far of a reach-

[sharp lichen]

That's not! In fact, many of us believe that. I remember when the trailer came out, this channel was flooded with people theorizing about angst and stuff

[turbid cliff]

I'm honestly only starting to think that just because how different that supposed sky kid looks from all the others

[turbid cliff]

Oohh! I see! Ty for reassuring me about that dhfhsdhsfhsfh

[hexed saddle]

Someone here have a map of all way that boat take? In need to see if it in contradiction with what I think and Does it exist a web site where all lore it explained like splatoon

[lyric isle]

no, that was a spirit

[rigid mural]

Which boat ?

[hexed saddle]

All boat, there all take common path. Where they go? Do? Type ?

[jaunty tapir]

On the top of my head, you can ride boats in/to:

• Dreams Village
• Wind Paths
• Enchantment/Forgotten Ark

Do you mean these boats?

[fringe hare]

Is this in the game and I forgot, or something? Anybody recall when this happened/if it does? Pulled from the switch trailer. Needa see that for my story digging reasons

[hexed saddle]

No the old boats

[icy spruce]

Rhythm last quest

[fringe hare]

Is there a rhythm quest giver somewhere, or is this a “you had to be there” thing

[icy spruce]

wha t

[jaunty tapir]

Quest givers stayed only since enchantment iirc

[fringe hare]

Rip. What a mean tease

[jaunty tapir]

Perhaps you could see youtube videos of it?

[fringe hare]

Gonna be the best I can do yep, damn. Thanks for the info

[hushed steeple]

Hello! Does anyone have a theory as to what creature the big blue eggs on the broken tree in the final section of the hidden forest might be from?

[icy spruce]

The eggs in forest are literally easter eggs (from Sky: Light Awaits)

[jaunty tapir]

I believe tgc placed them as literal easter eggs but it would be fun to think of it from haha

[hushed steeple]

oooh i see, tks! itd be cool if they added some new rly big birds/creatures in the area that they might be from

[hexed saddle]

I juste want to know if there are web site or document for explain all the sky lore because i m new in this chanel and its for avoid to ask a lot of questions here

There no wiki page ?

[icy spruce]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/10ZWJRGiJSrIXgDvJ4pST61moZbVB_hBExUjOaF-pmOE/edit

[rigid mural]

i dont understand your question

[hexed saddle]

Don't worry

[hexed saddle]

Thank you ^^

[tulip aspen]

why does that program designer assume a height is 3 11

[frigid tinsel]

this link at the bottom of the website links to calculations made in this very channel: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[tulip aspen]

yeah that trailer was really stupid, especially since switch launched during THE UNCANON SEASON FOR SOME REASON (dont mind me)

[tulip aspen]

oh wow sick

[frigid tinsel]

they say krill are 69' 8" long which is... woah
(i knew someone would bring it up)

here's the google doc they have with the skykids, elders, and krill measurements: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ob6DeBbMUF0bSfeRlfwqSoF_8HWEhp_HMrgiwmZZxsI/edit

[icy spruce]

taller than Lamed gang

[marsh rivet]

so.. so I'm.. I'm taller than vault elder?? awwhhhh I'm gonna cry that's adorable i loved them before and now hhh

[frigid tinsel]

me too. given how tall the other elders are, i'm surprised.

i'm more surprised the valley twins are not the same height

actually imma do a thing
ugh i have to open photoshop

[compact shale]

What's the 1490 reaction and what does it mean?

[tulip aspen]

wouldnt u be able to see if that's true by just revisiting her?

[frigid tinsel]

i think they meant their irl height

[tulip aspen]

oh lmao

[lofty void]

but the valley elders are the same exact height

[frigid tinsel]

Apparently not, surprised me too

[frigid tinsel]

Here’s the image with the calculations. Spikey elder is notably shorter

[lofty void]

Correct me if I’m wrong but I think it’s the perspective in that photo that makes Spikey hair shorter than the other valley elder (Curved hair elder seems slightly closer to the camera than spiky hair elder)

[marsh rivet]

haha the female twin is taller #girlboss

[frigid tinsel]

looks like that's from an OOB and the skykid they're using a frame of reference is right on them, so it seems fine to me.
I also didn't take this photo or make the measurements

[lofty void]

hold on, gonna visit the valley elder cutscene quickly

I did a little searching and it does seem that Mekh () is a little taller than their sibling but by only a few inches at most

(Photo taken from the Valley elder cutscene)

[frigid tinsel]

does anyone know what that OOB is so I could check that out? I'm unfamiliar with OOBing

[lofty void]

It’s the final elder cutscene, in vault

[frigid tinsel]

so these are from different realms?
makes me wonder if there are different models in Valley and Vault that may be different heights

[hushed steeple]

My vault oob photo also has Mek taller

And im standing right in front of them

[lofty void]

Yep! And yeah, possibly

[waxen knot]

hi i’d like to learn more about the king

[lofty void]

[icy spruce]

Hello and did someone ask about the KING??

[compact shale]

You are not immune to propaganda

[waxen knot]

sorry

[lofty void]

Nonono- its fine

[frigid tinsel]

no need to apologize, there's a lot of inside jokes about the king here

[boreal nebula]

Krills, crabs, butterflies, birds, mantas, double-wing mantas, manta-whale thingies, whales.

What is the other living animal we see in Sky but we never talk about?

OOPs forgot the Jellyfish 😅

[frigid tinsel]

fish

[lofty void]

oreo

[boreal nebula]

[compact shale]

Oreo riding fish /j

[boreal nebula]

Are fish light creatures?
Or simply animals like all those we now can see just on mask?

[frigid tinsel]

there's goldfish in the pond at the prairie temple entrance and in the restored ark. no clue how they got there

[compact shale]

Most likely either light or neutral.

[boreal nebula]

Why not darkness ?
||Just kidding||

[compact shale]

Dark fish that nibble your earthenly shell off to get to the juicy light /j

[boreal nebula]

But anyway.. how do they live?
Do they eat bugs (which would imply there are insect so tiny we cannot see?)

Or may they could eat those tiny light we see in Laughing Spirit's memories? Tiny bugs that Ancestors collected together with butterflies

Are these mini butterfies or the butterflies have a caterpillar stage we don't see?

[boreal nebula]

Well, if they nibble tiny light creatures like this mini bugs... maybe fish are dark creatures

[oblique oasis]

According to the wiki there are blue butterflies in the colosseum, but try as i might i cannot seem to find them. Are they the things that drift out from the top of the colosseum as you slide down the last part of the races? What are the implications?

[boreal nebula]

I was able to call one see some of those when I flew up over the top of the stadium but they appeared randomly one at the time waiting up here

Not sure if they are still in game tho, I didn't go up there for a year, so idk if the new stadium (upgraded with SoDreams) still have them

Sadly they reached you so rarely I couldn't even get screenshot

[sharp lichen]

Are you sure about this? I want to make sure you aren’t overwhelmed

[harsh pecan]

How is the King overwhelming

[sharp lichen]

King lore (and Sky lore in general) is

[harsh pecan]

Hmmmm ok

[oblique oasis]

Lemme just. It is heavily implied that the child in the Ushering Stargazer's memory is the one that would later become the King. You see the child in the prophecy murals? That's them (probably).

They were sent to the prophets due to a prophecy that states a child, fallen from the sky, will pass all the trials and become King/Prince. It is of my own opinion that they only became Prince and that the discovery of darkstone was what led them to be crowned King.

What is darkstone? You know the blue diamond things that make stuff happen if you light them? That's darkstone.

They produced extreme power, but only when given light, and as the Kingdom became greedy with their new power they only sought more. There used to be many more light creatures, even other species. They were ||farmed and juiced for their light|| and many became endangered or even extinct.

The King built their grand palace upon Eden, the sacred land where light creatures migrated to to ||die|| and become one with Megabird before being reborn.

Due to the intriguing take on Sky lore in this webtoon here: https://www.webtoons.com/en/challenge/sky-the-child-of-light/list?title_no=474980 I have come to believe that that King did this to lift the Kingdom up into the skies.

A few in-game hints at this include:

1. The massive, overloaded, and exploding power diamond in Eden built right on top of the rebirth point, suggesting they were trying to harness the power of Megabird herself,
2. The original concept art in which the explosion happened from a giant Ark - who's to say that the palace wasn't one?
   And 3) is more of a theory, but the King was born of Megabird, but Megabird also caused them a lot of pain by putting them in charge of a whole Kingdom after going through what was effectively torture and having a lot of expectation put on them.

Lifting the Kingdom back into the skies was what Megabird told them to do, but could just as easily be an attempt to surpass her, especially in a "See I don't need your guidance to do great things" way.

If you have tumblr I suggest you go talk to @vivi-the-skykid and @justsomeectoplasm on there, as well as any other lore enthusiasts you come across, but I'm sure the people here are willing to help if you (understandably) don't have tumblr.

Also I beg everyone to please read the webtoon because it's take on lore is interesting as hell, and really not that far fetched.

Unless comics aren't your thing of course, which I completely understand.

[oblique oasis]

Interesting. Do you have any guesses as to lore implications?

[rugged jackal]

Oh gosh that’s dark

[oblique oasis]

Yup. It's a post-apocalyptic game after all.

[tulip aspen]

""in my analysis pages, you'll see me say "the king/prince"
the more accurate term is "the royal" but everyone likes the former term

in concept art the climax of the ending of the game is fighting the King, a corrupted Elder who is as tall as a skyscraper
architecture all over Sky and concept art references the King

the prince is also mentioned in concept art, but we have absolutely no solid evidence of who or what they would be/have-been
the king and prince are often mentioned interchangeably because concepts have done so

perhaps the prince grew up to be the king (after becoming the chosen one in the trials(??))

perhaps the prince was the King's son

perhaps we should realize we know literally absolutely nothing about the prince (even less than megabird)

canonchasing wise, talking about the prince/king always leads to dead ends, but headcanon/fanfic wise, they're an unlimited amount of possible content lolol""

--concrete canon we know

[floral grove]

Do the Spirits' memories show us what they were doing right before the "Eden boom?" . It seems a bit unusual how they're petrified in the same places where they're last seen standing

[rugged jackal]

Hmm.. that’s a good. A good.

[floral grove]

And since there are sometimes more than one spirit in a Spirit's memory, maybe the others Spirits (or Ancestors, I really can't tell) that they were with withered away when they got petrified like the Sky Kid statues found near the entrance of PNR where they turn to dust and get blown by the wind

I imagine this to be a Pompeii thing. A huge wave of dust, hot ash and embers swept through the city, petrifying everyone who were unlucky. Maybe the same thing happened in the kingdom of Sky when a huge wave of dark dust swept through the kingdom petrifying almost everyone even in the most secluded areas due to how powerful the wave was

[rugged jackal]

I thought of something along those lines too, except that the wave was possibly coming from the Eden crystal or something, and it caused the seasonal areas to close in on themselves. (Maybe except Starlight Desert, but that one is weird.) That’s why the seasonal areas are shut off, but they’ve been around

[tulip aspen]

We've deduced it's likely not "right before", or a memory they "liked" or "appreciated"

I've been trying to make popular that it's a moment representing their character; who they are as a person, and what that brought to the world

[frigid tinsel]

Yea that’s what I think too

[floral grove]

Ah, memories that express who they are I suppose?

[harsh pecan]

That’s possible

[stable olive]

The locations of the memories suggest that they were petrified on the spot though since they are scattered across the near vicinity. Their tasks are obviously representative of each respective spirit, and it shows that they all lived lives before whatever happened happened... imo

[outer kernel]

Who knows anything about why there was a war against darkness and why there's a graveyard

[tulip aspen]

im sorry, what exactly about their locations says they were "petrified on the spot"?

[outer kernel]

Also where is the king

[stable olive]

What is the king. Is this canon lore?

[outer kernel]

Omg the king from the isle trials. U see his story on the walls

His temple is the broken one in eden

[tulip aspen]

"Two Shields for Two Sides theory"

"I've always believed in the TST theory, and have always been confident there was SOME kind of civil war within the kingdom

who was part of each side, however, is so ridiculously unclear (just like the details of the Royalty) that I don't care to think about who fought who

all I acknowledge is

1. there were two sides fighting and
2. there was a clear theme of magic/tradition vs. advancement/power, and while each side may have USED magic and tech, each side seems to have wanted less of one of these things to be present

and we do know the Sky/Elders don't want the ancestors to stay on Earth, but the ancestors, as a kingdom, do want to stay, so I think the war may be heavily influenced by that, and the idea of the power diamonds"

--my analysis of the war details

[stable olive]

The memories are in close proximity and lead up to where the spirit is petrified, which to me suggests a correlation between the memories and when the petrification happened relative to the order of those memories

[outer kernel]

Ppl suggest he became corrupt

[rugged jackal]

Thanks for the info ^^

[tulip aspen]

@stable olive ^^^^

the king is a character that was in the concept arts.
it was originally to be a final boss of sorts, towering dozens of feet over us in the storm, firing hail and lightning at us, rather than the crystal we now see in the finished vanilla game

[outer kernel]

Ohhh

[stable olive]

Interesting...

[outer kernel]

I'm wondering why they kept his story and statues in the game at all. What happened to him. Why do u think civil war, how is the darkness involved and only live in certain ereas. Do u think the king became corrupt and allowed the darkness entry?

[harsh pecan]

Yep, it’s canon (scroll up a bit if you wanna read about him)

[outer kernel]

Love

[rugged jackal]

How’d the King(/Prince?) become corrupt tho? Did it just happen?

[harsh pecan]

I think they kept it in the game because they’re probably gonna do something with it, I’m not sure

He probably got corrupted due to diamonds

[outer kernel]

Ooo maybe like greed. It would make sense someone so powerful wouldn't know where to stop.

[tulip aspen]

we can assume many many things about the king but we have no clue of his intentions, actions, input, or if he even was involved with the darkness spreading or the war at all

as for the civil war, you'll notice the first elders you see put less emphasis on the technology of power diamonds, and more on the magical influence of Light and light creatures

meanwhile later elders prefer technology and industry over being connected to the Sky's Light (orbit)

we have been able to deduce there definitely was a split in beliefs: tech vs tradition

[rugged jackal]

We basically just know they exist, and that they’re important somehow.

[outer kernel]

His statues go as far as wasteland only

It makes me wonder why his statues r often broken and his temples nearby such as wasteland and eden. I beleive as a influencer he brought the light to Eden (maybe for rebirth) then got greedy. Lost friends/light and became one with darkness. Perhaps he brought the darkness? Anyone for input or theory?

Maybe civil war on how to handle him?

[tulip aspen]

the fact they're in close proximity could extremely likely just be that's... kinda where they live lmao

[harsh pecan]

Maybe they’re broken because it’s been a long time

[outer kernel]

Other temples n places are nowhere near as broken though

The king's temple is the only one that is completely shattered

Each time u go to the stars his temple continues to break via light creatures. Where as the darkness just lives there

I would love it so much if TGC did a back in time for season

Back in time lore season**

Also... Has anyone noticed that the king's temple is ripped in half. The shattered half on the ground in eden with broken elders statues half way. And then a unbroken untouched other half in space!?

We oursleves in sky eat light. Perhaps we r like the darkness inside. And eat the light and share light with friends to stay light.

When we die we are dark and meet our other light halfs? Just before rebirth.

This is why I think the light the king brought to Eden enabled rebirth. Maybe it is the king? Or just ourselves. This is also why I think he may have lost his light. And perhaps birthed pure darkness. ??? Comments anyone?

[inner basalt]

Is it okay to talk about beta stuff here ||including the new creature||

[stable olive]

Living can refer to anything from a room to a realm. The memories depict specific actions and events, not a summary of a spirit's life. A spirit's best representation would likely include memories scattered all over the realm. This is why I agree with the "right before" theory more than the "character representation" as you suggested.

[lofty void]

Nope, beta stays in beta channels (sadly)

[tulip aspen]

bru

[outer kernel]

:'(

[inner basalt]

Ok then

[tulip aspen]

can you edit out the spoiler bruv fr

[outer kernel]

What spoiler??

[tulip aspen]

whoaaaaa nice shot nixx!!

[outer kernel]

Woo tysm

[hushed steeple]

This fella has more color and patterns and detail than the fish and resembles a whale more than anything else in the game yet is STIPPED OF WHALE STATUS CRUELY

Im my heart hes the only whale.

[tulip aspen]

"specific actions and events" uhhhh
there's nothing to imply that

if we're in the realm of canonchasing rn, then no
you can't concretely define the memories as that lol
that's what you want, not what necessarily is absolutely for sure happening

it could be specific events and moments

that's all you can concretely say lol

rip nixx, be sure to save ur messages lolol

[outer kernel]

Awr what. I was just theorising...

I thought this was lore/ discussion ? We cannot talk about theory's? I did keep saying maybe or perhaps???

Why wud u want to edit out a obviously just theory? And we do eat light!? Ie grandma's cookies also tgc confirmed that part...

[harsh pecan]

We can talk about theories wdym

[fringe hare]

Where the/what the heck is that first creature

[outer kernel]

He said to edit out spoiler. Also another said cannon chasing

[outer kernel]

Very little of what I said was concrete. Just theory.

[outer kernel]

Thts lonely Mr whale from underground forest oob

[fringe hare]

I really want to see that thing

[outer kernel]

I could send u QR code on DM

[floral grove]

If the theory of the Spirits' memories being their final moments right before they get petrified, then I feel sorry for the skater girl in Dreams. Imagine finally being able to live your dreams but then suddenly get eliminated by a wave of dark dust

[outer kernel]

Can u chibi fall!? If so go down into underground enterance. Chibi fall and go all the way under the clouds.

[fringe hare]

That would be pretty sweeeet. And yes I know how to do those things, I’ll go look

[stable olive]

Memories are concretely defined as a recollection of past moments and events. Also, I understand that we have conflicting theories. That's the whole point of this chat, it's to discuss our thoughts. So please ease up passive aggressiveness. No one's here to fight 💖

[outer kernel]

Yes alot of the memories are sad. Some have wings and some don't. People THEORIZE! that we might be spirit guides. MAYBE!!! NOT FOR SURE

I was just shocked that someone wanted to exclude my theory

[stable olive]

Theory is speculation, there is no right or wrong!

[floral grove]

I'm surprised that excluding theories is a thing in a channel where most theories may or may not be true to the game's lore. In the end, the lore is up to TGC

[compact shale]

Jam is canonchasing. They're trying to figure out what's happening. Very... intensely.

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[stable olive]

There's a difference between ruling out theories and ruling out the people that propose those theories along with it 😅

[outer kernel]

Perhaps he is. I was just wondering and wondered what people thought of my theory. I was curious to see what other ppl thought. This my first time on this channel and I was curious as to what everyone's theory was

[stable olive]

nixx could you link to your theory? lost it in the chat, but I wanna see it

[outer kernel]

It makes me wonder why his statues r often broken and his temples nearby such as wasteland and eden. I beleive as a influencer he brought the light to Eden (maybe for rebirth) then got greedy. Lost friends/light and became one with darkness. Perhaps he brought the darkness? Anyone for input or theory?

[floral grove]

For me, the reason why some of his statues are broken is to represent his downfall. Apart from that, the battle ground in GW is the only place that I know of where statues of him can be seen and they're mostly broken or struck down because there was a war

[outer kernel]

Maybe civil war on how to handle him?
Other temples n places are nowhere near as broken though.The king's temple is the only one that is completely shattered.Each time u go to the stars his temple continues to break via light creatures. Where as the darkness just lives there.Each time u go to the stars his temple continues to break via light creatures. Where as the darkness just lives there.Also... Has anyone noticed that the king's temple is ripped in half. The shattered half on the ground in eden with broken elders statues half way. And then a unbroken untouched other half in space!?

THIS ALL JUST ME WONDERING ON WHAT YOU SEE IN SKY BUT DO NOT KNOW. Just to be clear for everyone xx

[floral grove]

The floating half of his temple found way above the atmosphere reminds me of his signature symbol being the four-sided star because of how the floating rubble, debris, and castle are arranged

[stable olive]

I don't know much about canon Eden lore but y'all's theories sound reasonably believable imo

[outer kernel]

Hmmm interesting. I didn't think of tht

Yeah you have to wonder just how detailed tgc would go with his lore... And with how the mind works and how tgc love friendship and compassion it wud suggest this MAYBE along the lines of what they thought. I like philosophy and concept. Tgc does a great job of making everyone think xx

[compact shale]

There's a lore bible but I don't think it'll be revealed until Sky ends and the NDAs expire

[outer kernel]

Omg jingle heckin balls hahaha lmao XD

[stable olive]

Same! I like the details of the graphics but the simplicity of the themes and symbols in the game. Minimal narration. A lot of wiggle room for speculation

[outer kernel]

Wait wat?!!! Nooo ends wdym!!?

[floral grove]

Imagine TGC released a hundred-page book complete with the lore, illustrations and maps of the world of Sky. I would definitely buy that

[outer kernel]

F yasss!!! I totally wud too.. I must know. I love a good story tbh. I would love a back in time lore season. Maybe bring him into it fr

[compact shale]

They're planning an art book. Someone from lorechat has to pay for it and spread the word

[outer kernel]

Oh

[stable olive]

are they looking to hire an artist ajsjkfjfljh

[outer kernel]

@fringe hare nixx#4788

[fringe hare]

Huh?

[outer kernel]

Dm

[compact shale]

I heard they were a few weeks or months ago, idk.

[outer kernel]

O.O I want tht jobbb

[fringe hare]

I found the big fish @outer kernel thanks for the directions ^.^

[stable olive]

bruhh I would be so down to do sky art hahaha

[outer kernel]

No worries awesome sauce he moves a lil too. U can put a chair inside him

[tulip aspen]

hm?
my message wasn't to you tho :v

[outer kernel]

Ah my bad

[fringe hare]

This isn’t the screenshot channel, yo. #screenshots-and-videos