lore-discussion-spoilers

[tidal valve]

Megabird real said

Sucks to be you: live forever

[hushed steeple]

Running theory is Prince became King, and is the one from prophecy murals

And also he kinda went corrupt final boss mode until the last second and caused the kingdoms downfall

[willow prawn]

So the other little Prince went full whole big King? As in the same character?

[hushed steeple]

Yeppy. Look close at the facehole of the king in upper left, the middle king. Hang on I can find a better picture

[willow prawn]

The hole looks like if there was a tiny prince riding a giant machine

Oh man that's scary

[hushed steeple]

I found it too late beaten to the punch. Yeppy. Lil Alef in the facehole.....theres two small princes in sky so sometimes I call him Alef. King is called Resh. One of the reasons we think they are the same is because some concept art is labled alef/resh

[willow prawn]

The Little Prince and the tiny prince

Titles aside. I also saw something about Isle Elder being the only one who didn't get corrupted with dark energy or something like that. But thinking about that and how each Elder kinda got a blessing related to the Trials, what did Vault elder got?

[harsh pecan]

Vault Elder got nothing

[hushed steeple]

Isle and Vault got left out

Prairie gets earth, forest gets water, valley is air, n wasteland is fire.

How they use each is depicted in final prophecy mural

Valley grows plants, I guess. Forest makes rain, valley floats buildings and wind gates, and wasteland charges turrets.

[willow prawn]

I mean, they're getting the literal elements, but I think also the virtues. Like, bravery for Wastelands is fitting since they're soldiers. Prairie getting resilience avoids me, but Balance for Valley also makes sense seeing all the spirits and the competition/performance thingy

[hushed steeple]

The odd thing is....each elder seems to have opposite quality’s of their blessing. Prairie is sleeping, not tenacious, forest is impatient, valley is bickering for attention, and wasteland...well hes not cowardly but it looks a bit like he has given up.

Like maybe....they lost their wisdoms?

[willow prawn]

BUT WHY DOES VAULT EXIST I'M SO CONFUSED

Like sure, Isle Elder was the first one before all of them and helped to guide spirits to the heights. Then the others came and do whatever they do in their own realms. But why Vault, and why the last one? Were they only supposed to be a priest/bibliotecary?

I just find so weird that in their memory, everyone else is also with them

[hushed steeple]

Vault was created for the upcoming generation. Vault represents accepting death in old age. So by that point I think sky kingdom knew it was doomed and wanted to prep for skykids.

[tulip aspen]

in my analysis pages, you'll see me say "the king/prince"

the more accurate term is "the royal" but everyone likes the former term

in concept art the climax of the ending of the game is fighting the King, a corrupted Elder who is as tall as a skyscraper

architecture all over Sky and concept art references the King

the prince is also mentioned in concept art, but we have absolutely no solid evidence of who or what they would be/have-been

the king and prince are often mentioned interchangeably because people are weird, short and simple

perhaps the prince grew up to be the king (after becoming the chosen one(??))

perhaps the prince was the King's son

perhaps we should realize we know literally absolutely nothing about the prince (even less than megabird tbh) and just stop talking about him so much (when canonchasing, ofc he's got so much potential headcanon and looser theory wise)

im just being biased and heated as i do tho; i just dont like talking about the prince

[hushed steeple]

I want to talk about Prince and King! My faaaaavorite topics! >:)

[willow prawn]

So, then the chosen one in the prophecy thing is the King according to all you wrote, right?

[robust flare]

What I find weird is that vault isn't really its own realm. It's a part of wasteland basically

[tulip aspen]

i will proceed to hiss cope and seethe in the corner

[hushed steeple]

It might be inside eden mountain too

[robust flare]

The vault is directly connected to what is presumed to be the wasteland temple (though perhaps that is the previous vault temple? There's temple ruins right before)

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[willow prawn]

Right when you finish Wastelands, you enter the temple and walk a loooooooong hall, that might land you into Vault inside the mountain, and then you ascend through it.

[robust flare]

Believe me. I know my brain go too deep. Every single season I make wild predictions and the predictions never come true. BUT. It's mentally stimulating and fun

[tulip aspen]

we assume so yes
its not very clear but it's the only thing that makes sense

[compact shale]

not a good time, sybot

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[robust flare]

OH THATS A BOT

[hushed steeple]

Sassy tonight aint we skybot?

[robust flare]

How does that bot even work? What triggers the bot?

[hushed steeple]

Sometimes random, sometimes sassy enough to suspect its not random

[willow prawn]

Hard to known if we're being seen

[robust flare]

I wonder if Jenova ever looks at the Sky discord...

[compact shale]

Oh megabird...

[willow prawn]

OH OH other thing I forgot

What do you think this skeleton may be of?

[hushed steeple]

Same critter water prophets mask is based off. Turtle something.

[halcyon shell]

wait there's lore in sky?!

this just blew my mind, like i just never saw that. like corruption? kdajsfnikolasdzc

[robust flare]

There were once turtle bones in the prairie. So it COULD just be reused assets. But who knows!

[harsh pecan]

Lol ye

[willow prawn]

Interesting! Guess this is a opening as good as any to think about why each spirit wears the animal masks they do

Water Prophet and Fire Prophet are obvious (patience and bravery) + the resilience of a spider weaving their web and the... Balance of a bat I guess? to be hanging upside down?

But other animals?

[robust flare]

Wasteland elder's mask is a whale!

[hushed steeple]

Birds might be some form of performer? But provoking preformed kinda stamps on that...unless they are different types.

[tulip aspen]

ive always had a theory that the wasteland temple is actually built into the foot of Mt. Eden, and then vault is an underground rising all the way up to the city of Eden

but yes either way vault and the wasteland temple are literally the same structure lolol

[tulip aspen]

read this, it may help you begin your journey
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sNuL12VgxIoRl57s-bkYFiAg1a7D42n8WvsaiPNyzI4/edit?usp=drivesdk

[robust flare]

You might be right! Based on what things look like from eden

[hushed steeple]

.....thats um. :jddhryfgspskd

[robust flare]

A document I haven't read yet! GASP

[hushed steeple]

Jams theory doc compilation

Impressive to fill an entire doc

[tulip aspen]

I'm not as good as you on pain don't judge me

[compact shale]

I thought that was the lore moth documentary...

I guess you could say I got introrolled!

[sudden cape]

It makes a loooot of sense actually :0

[willow prawn]

I guess we would need to know which species is each one of the bird masks

For Rhythm, we got duck, something sharp, some kind of toucan? And the owl thingy

And then we get 3 more birds in Dreams and the frog thing from LP...?

[robust flare]

Oh this is my time to shine! (Bird lover)

[tulip aspen]

the lore moth doc doesn't tell you anything lol

[hushed steeple]

I thought greeter was an eagle.

[compact shale]

I've tried to search about the frog mask thing once.

I didn't find anything

[hushed steeple]

I know I heard “frog king” somewhere, like in some folklore before sky.

[robust flare]

Possibly a spoonbill for one spirit!

[willow prawn]

Oh. Guess that would sound more logical since they're winter birds. It's just that kind of peaks are tropical birds for me haha

[robust flare]

Wait no I don't have a brain, that's a freaking duck

[hushed steeple]

I always picked crane or hawk for blowkiss but I bet something more fitting can be found

[tulip aspen]

i mean its mine so it's technically not actually important

[robust flare]

My first thought for kiss blowing spirit was starling, but I doubt it's a starling

[compact shale]

here's the actual lore moth doc lol

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[hushed steeple]

Respect: duck
Greeter: eagle
Blowkiss: uhhhhhhh crane?
Thinker: owl

Ive heard vulture and even dodo for greeter before but I could never see it

[tulip aspen]

still doesnt tell you anything
(im becoming way too bold)

[robust flare]

European Starling

[tulip aspen]

do NOT

call my mask a dodo

seriously hurts 😩

how are people not allowed to bully the dreams cape or the nacho cape but my skyfam and literally anyone on earth bullies my mask

[hushed steeple]

Good doc as vague as lore itself. Does need more stuff like krills being corrupted and animal mask having meaning.

I know I was so offended when they called my eagle a dodo

[compact shale]

dodo is as dead as troupe greeter themselves

[red ivy]

looks like a cat

[robust flare]

I bully all things equally! Including my beloveds

[hushed steeple]

Geez I been on skylore too much today

[tulip aspen]

it literally tells you nothing and just gets you hooked on useless irrelevant concept arts like prince and king (which is why i hate those two and everyones affinity to them)

also yeah it hasnt been updated since sanct lmao

[robust flare]

I should mention that I call my lightseekers hat a tortilla

[hushed steeple]

Bro don’t dare insult my beautiful concept art its all we got and it gots the sweet secret hidden prince >:/

[red ivy]

and what skykid does all day is flapping and slurping waxes.

instead of reading 🤭🤭

[compact shale]

skid cant read the runes :(

[icy spruce]

hey, don’t insult King/Prince

[harsh pecan]

We slurp wax?

[compact shale]

oh goodness

it was king propaganda all along!!!!!1!!11!😱😱

[frigid tinsel]

skykids are hollow inside, where else would they store the wax?

[hushed steeple]

Chesca......resh em’

[tulip aspen]

i-

i do like the idea of them

they do sound cool

but they dont help in actual research and canonchasing
they dont answer the important questions about spirits and the past and ascension and ectetcect

its just like everyone talking about megabird when we should be talking about the Sky

[frigid tinsel]

the reshing intensifies

[harsh pecan]

Yes

[hushed steeple]

Mega n King are the stuff you wounld’t know about unless you stuck your head in here. Thats why I like em. Its just a bit beyond the surface.

[red ivy]

we slurp it to make some @harsh pecan to buy pretty capes 🥰

[icy spruce]

ITS YOU

THE UHHH ONE SPRINGS

halloo

[harsh pecan]

The Einstein of Cold Springs

[tulip aspen]

the convo with a new moth literally goes

"hey can i hear important lore about sky"

"well there was a king"

"really??? what does he do???"

"idk lol"

id rather show them a summary of our canonchasing research

and the best one is the first page of my intro analysis

[willow prawn]

The Skater dreams cape and mask is a Phoenix

Phoenix are related to rebirth, death and fire, but we don't really see any of that unless the questgiver is somehow reincarnated into the dreams girl?

[icy spruce]

shoulda said he Resh’d people

/j

[edgy kernel]

had a question if any of yall had any thoughts on it but

I noticed how every spirit you find in the game including seasonal ones are like, frozen or something and you have to re-live their memories to be able to interact with em ( like the spirits in the cutscenes from season of flight )

all except the guide spirits from the season events, i think? which seem like they're fine somehow

its probably just like that for gameplay reasons but, its a bit interesting, somehow they are fine and not frozen by the darkness unlike the rest of them

[red ivy]

maybe they were burnt to death and woke up at home? 🤔

[frigid tinsel]

i always open up in-game chats about lore with "how much do you know about the lore of this game?" and so far the responses have been 50/50 "what's lore" and "i know a bit"

[hushed steeple]

It explains a lot. King is honestly a lore fountain. And also basically the first thing I asked about when I joined lore. Because I thought there was nothing more to sky. A ruined civilization, overused power, elders, yawn. Woah! A hidden character who connects to EVERYTHING!

[compact shale]

What happens if we ask ash "How close are we to figuring out the story of Sky?"

[red ivy]

ash makes new lore

[harsh pecan]

I think the seasonal spirits have darkness in one way or another

[red ivy]

who?

[tulip aspen]

they seem to be stronger willed definitely, it's a good point.

they are ready to try to ascend but they refuse to leave their team behind almost, so in order for the whole group to ascend you have to help the team achieve something

[frigid tinsel]

i picture that in-universe, some skykid awoke the season guides off camera and brought them to Homespace shouting "guys this lad said they have friends we need to find, cmon!"

[compact shale]

the new lore is "one of you is actually the king" then we have a civil war and try to find the king among us /hj

[icy spruce]

cold springs

[hushed steeple]

Well....I hope its ok...but I do think your theory doc does kinda have some stuff that goes against what dev interviews said and whatnot. And you know, maybe you could be right since skylore is jello but.....for it to be the first thing shown as fact...

[red ivy]

what?

[harsh pecan]

You don’t remember us?

[hushed steeple]

O well its a bloomin video game with hardly any solid story in the actual game.

[red ivy]

sorry I'm not good at remembering I have small brain lol

[compact shale]

The story is buried somewhere, and Ash says there is a lore bible

But the lore bible is probably an NDA

[icy spruce]

Credits to Iris for this wonderful joke

[edgy kernel]

hmmm... makes me think about how the flight guide was supposed to be / is like an apprentice to one of the elders? the elders are the only other ones who aren't even turned spirit, i think?

[tulip aspen]

ofc it's okay i wanna hear all criticism and possible debunks of moi

what stuff goes against dev quotes, pls do tell

[red ivy]

I hope it is kept that way. mystery for the mystery sake

[icy spruce]

oh you sweet little lore moth

[harsh pecan]

Bruh 😭

[tulip aspen]

oh no they're still spirits: they still died lol

[edgy kernel]

i imagine some moth spam honking and dragging them home lmao

[red ivy]

it's still a mystery right?

[harsh pecan]

It is, but the lore is too vague

[edgy kernel]

ah ok lmao, they didn't look very spirit to me from what i remember in the cutscenes, so thats interesting to know

[red ivy]

even better

[willow prawn]

My bird knowledge isn't good enough for Spinning Mentor and Dancing Performer

But I see frogs related with royalty (princes turn into frog) and also maybe greediness?

[hushed steeple]

Oh nice! One doc says sky kids are not ancestors, and one of zhaos concept arts shows they are kinda, a new race half composed of ancestors. So for ancestors to grow from skykids, is a little odd. Or was it glowboys you said they grew from? One said winglights are not the fallen stars, so its not likely they existed before spirits downfall.

[compact shale]

Trying to interpret Sky is like trying to interpret a book whose author died. Like TLP. We may have common theories but we'll never quite get to solve it.

[icy spruce]

you really don’t know hm? 😄

[red ivy]

well don't look at me I'm innocent

[tulip aspen]

I've gotten a lot down just by analyzing the intro better lol
take a looksee if you want, but it's not concrete for sure
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sNuL12VgxIoRl57s-bkYFiAg1a7D42n8WvsaiPNyzI4/edit?usp=drivesdk

[hushed steeple]

Quail, I assumed. They got the little dooble feather

[red ivy]

no i'm new at lorechat

[harsh pecan]

Want a doc?

[icy spruce]

Hi New At LoreChat, I’m Chesca

[edgy kernel]

my best lore interpretation is that eden had a cool indoor swimming pool or bathhouse, because one bit in it has floor tiles and water i think that looks like it'd be at the bottom of a swimming pool LOL

[willow prawn]

Only thing I know quails from, is from having little eggs, so no theory here haha

[red ivy]

no I'm not sick, thanks mune san 🤭

[harsh pecan]

What does that have to do with lore??? O h

Hello new Lore Moff!
Read this short document to get started! Once you’ve read this, check out pins for more information.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18B1-SKG3toG0oH0VhOWC5o-cG9u0STAN92QvmbhTDto/edit

credits to Bricky

[red ivy]

ooo document

[hushed steeple]

Quail

[frigid tinsel]

You don’t gotta read any documents if you don’t want to

[red ivy]

i have my own canon

[tulip aspen]

what doc says skykids aren't ancestors?
also yeah for zhao, i dont know why the popular quote is "half/part-ancestor", it clearly just means they both fell from the Sky

(which we know is true because ancestor's spirits need to be "returned" to the Sky)

it says the stars "built the kingdom", so when it says stars it means the ancestors: Ie the ancestors fell from the Sky
IF the ancestors fell from the Sky, that means they were stars in the Sky just like we were
not Stars as in the old naming of winged light, but stars as in the entities that make up the ancient primordial mass of Light called the Sky

please tell me if you have any more concerns or find anything else against my doc, trust me i WANT to make this thing be undefeated and undebunkable

[harsh pecan]

What is it?

[red ivy]

secret

[harsh pecan]

Spill the beans

[hushed steeple]

The hybrid argument is from this art

[red ivy]

hmmm its very secret

[tulip aspen]

that's understandable!
you dont have to listen to us, im just literally insane

and you're always free to share your own version/take of the story!

[harsh pecan]

Is the King canon in your head canon?

[tulip aspen]

ohhh it literally does say hybrid

my bad
but yeah anyways what it means is the ANCESTORS lost their connection to the Sky, and their bodies don't have a flame anymore creating a powerful core of light

they're colorless, lightless
meanwhile, yes we have shells like the ancestors, and aren't pure beings of Light (until we die and shed our shells) BUT, we were sent by the Sky, and are much more tied to the Light

we're a hybrid of lack of light, and pure light

[hushed steeple]

As for winglights not being ansestors, I watched the source and could not find that. They do describe the ancestors and winglights separately but never say one is not the exoskeleton of the other.

[tulip aspen]

i never mention winged light in my intro analysis

do you mean Children of the Light?

[hushed steeple]

Also ancestors are never, ever depicted flying. Not in ancient seasons, not ones with capes.

[robust flare]

I find it interesting that I haven't found the winged lights in ANY concept art. It's rather unusual for something that seems so important to the fabric of the game

[hushed steeple]

Yeah wing lights/glowboys/light imprints/children of light. Although I have heard children of light being used to refer to both skykids and winglight before from official sources. I think they where patch updates so im not gonna go look for them

[tulip aspen]

indeed
thats why we call these new age, light powered CotL, Skykids (us)

[compact shale]

I've been thinking about it.

I've only come up with "they're using it for something completely different" or "they can glide on wind currents like in wingsuiting, but they can't fly as freely as we can"

[edgy kernel]

when you ascend an ancestor, can they give you winged light like the other spirits, or nah?

oh wait, i think i got elder / ancestor confused

[robust flare]

The ancestors are flightless beings. They are represented by triangle with the weight at the bottom because they are grounded!

[hushed steeple]

One spirit is seen riding a manta, other than that they need boats to fly. Flight guide, even with updrafts, was waiting for someone who could fly.

[tulip aspen]

nah

imprints of children of the light and children of the light are two very different things bruv

also yes skykids are children of the light
(but children of the light arent necessarily always skykids also o think ive explained this to you 4 times today xD)

[hushed steeple]

So.....imprints is glowboys? Ones you collect? Yeah? Thats the term for that you use?

[robust flare]

I don't think it's fair to disregard the theory entirely. I personally think we, the skymids, are VERY DEEPLY related to them

[tulip aspen]

indeed
they cannot fly, they arent as powerful as we, new age cotl are

[hushed steeple]

Ok....imprints, you say are different from children of light....which you say are like the core of skypeople. Inner light?

[tulip aspen]

yes we're related to them they're literally fragments of dead CotL, but clearly we need to make the distinction or kami and others gets confused (understandably, it's confusing lol)

[frigid tinsel]

imprints are likely imprints of skykids given the glowing kids look just like them in stature.

[robust flare]

Oh! One thing I noticed is that there's light and there's winged light, which has a nearly identical symbol, just with wings

The winged light peeps actually talk! At the beginning

[hushed steeple]

So the theory is....that theres an inner light....called children of light.....thats not glowboys.....but looks like them.....inside every sky person....like a soul....but not visible in the actual remaining souls we see?

[compact shale]

Wait, where?

[robust flare]

I'll find a video!

https://youtu.be/7ICnt_pT_ro

[hushed steeple]

I think everyone having a different word for winglight makes things so much worse

[compact shale]

Yeah. So confusing. Unless it proves that not even they know what the heck it is...

[frigid tinsel]

do you mean the singing?

[hushed steeple]

Glowboy, I like to think strikes the right image of how it looks. its a glowy boy!

[robust flare]

Nope. It's after that. Then again after spirits. Then again when you reach the first spirit gate.

[red ivy]

what king?

[frigid tinsel]

no one knows who's speaking those lines, actually. it's never clear

[icy spruce]

This is King

[compact shale]

Lorechat... does not really agree upon who the narrator is...

[red ivy]

seems like a fun guy at party

[hushed steeple]

Hes not in the game physically anymore but he can be found everywhere

[frigid tinsel]

thanks, this glitched out my speaker

[lofty void]

i have gotten reshed once again. i am not even mad ☺️

[robust flare]

The shiny boi says to approach them. And you approach the shiny boi

[red ivy]

there is sound?

[hushed steeple]

I still think the new intro narrator is a spirit. Because “we as spirits”

[robust flare]

Nooo, watch video! (There's now TWO narrators)

[frigid tinsel]

it's not clear who's speaking. what makes you think it's them?

[tulip aspen]

imprints have been said be be fragments, cores, a lot of things
who knows

[robust flare]

If they say to "approach us", I'm assuming that's part of their body

[hushed steeple]

That sounds like a soul

[red ivy]

okay I'll let you hear it.

you know eden?

||i think what happened there is because an experiment gone wrong 🤔||

[tulip aspen]

that line sucks

[harsh pecan]

Ooo nice

[tulip aspen]

anyhow, how do you think my intro is doing, now that you understand the CotL thing better Kami?

[tulip aspen]

IM NOT DONE YET

STILL GOT WL TO GIVE

[hushed steeple]

Yeah so your version is, like, theres another type of soul called children of light and all the skypeople skykid and ansestors alike are them with clay exoskeletons as skin.

[icy spruce]

Jam, I think you have an unhealthy obsession with Sky’s intros

/lh /hj /j /plsdontkillme

[tulip aspen]

its all there in the first intro

[robust flare]

I really do think people should watch the video tho. It has important info. The shiny bois talk about spirits connecting the skies

[hushed steeple]

If you squint >:)

[tulip aspen]

oh trust me chesca

we haven't gotten started yet

@hushed steeple e x a c t l y

[icy spruce]

resh, pick me up im scared

[frigid tinsel]

the intro is just some vague background info and an order you can sum up as "we screwed up, pls bring us to the afterlife so we can escape the consequences of our actions"

[tulip aspen]

what video?

[robust flare]

Oh. There's also a thing when you reach prairie. I forgot

[icy spruce]

I SAW THAT

JAM I SAW THAT YOU CAN’T RUN

[robust flare]

https://youtu.be/7ICnt_pT_ro
^
Videoooo

[robust flare]

Except they added more info with the winged light?

[hushed steeple]

WHAT I MISSED IT I WAS TRYING TO PLAY PICROSS BADLY

[frigid tinsel]

Debatable

[icy spruce]

DON’T YOU DARE MOONWALK YOUR WAY OUT OF HERE JAM, YOU SQUIRREL IN MY PANTS (hahaha get it, P&F reference)

[robust flare]

Idk. I thought it was interesting that they are waiting in the light for us

[frigid tinsel]

Anyone: is this canon?
Lore blokes: debatable

[tulip aspen]

*excited to see lore deets my fam sugarfae has brought us

open video

worst change in the game

throws phone*

ive watched that vid a thousand times lolol dw

[robust flare]

Okay, Jam, you are being REALLY antagonistic...

[icy spruce]

okay tbh, I don’t rlly like the new intro much

like, it’s good but the old intros are just

[hushed steeple]

Jam should love it it has 100% less prince

[tulip aspen]

it was a joke

sorry, i know you were excited to show us
that was awful of me

[icy spruce]

Jam is currently in our no. 1 hitlist in KP for hating our precious, beany, cute, prince Alef

/hj

[harsh pecan]

Same

[robust flare]

Thank you for apologizing. I was kind of feeling attacked 😅 I think everyone has their own interpretation and it's just really messy. Also I have been off anxiety meds for two days so I'm not doing so hot

[icy spruce]

oof

Anywyas

[hushed steeple]

I always hated, its a bit of a nitpick, but I cant stand how they gave the ansestors feet in the switch trailer. Even the hands where overly detailed and the skin texture kinda....

I would not be able to play this game if the characters didnt have toothpick legs. Thats what im sticking with canonically. Everyone canonically has toothpick legs.

[compact shale]

Including ?

*falls over

[icy spruce]

I just can’t imagine ancestors/skids having fingers

ughhhh, Bloom QG..they horrify me

[hushed steeple]

His is like, claws on a toilet paper roll, thats ok.

[frigid tinsel]

this reminds me of that tumblr post that says that skykids have the optimal arms & hands for boxing

[hushed steeple]

Like most QGs and spirits have fingers too

[icy spruce]

Wait what

jeez, I’m blind, anyways mitten hands supremacy

[hushed steeple]

Then rythm assembly n flight waltz in

With mit hands

We can maybe theorise theres two minorly different races of sky ancestors if we try hard enough

[frigid tinsel]

skykids aren't soccer players: https://abhorrenttheorizer.tumblr.com/post/664729873635590144/

[hushed steeple]

WHEEZE oh skyblr

[icy spruce]

ah yes, Skyblr

[frigid tinsel]

small but crazy (affectionate)

[hushed steeple]

Jk I know hardly nothing about skys tunblr communitu

[icy spruce]

skyblr has a lot of lore peeps

and great artist and a lot of aus and crap post

[frigid tinsel]

oh yea the art there blows my mind

[compact shale]

Scrimblo

[tulip aspen]

I'm sorry....
I really just did let loose going in for more jokes, and it really just wasn't fair to you
Just know I didn't mean it that way

That vid is definitely important and yeah of course people should watch every detail, especially me for me to keep my odd stances

I really hope you're okay

[robust flare]

It's all good. Without my meds I just really don't function. Thankfully I got my meds tonight so I should be back to normal soon!

[icy spruce]

Glad to hear that

[red ivy]

so what is prophecy correlation with the king

[icy spruce]

Proph was prolly made to find the King

[robust flare]

The symbol of prophecy not only resembles the king's mask, but also the objective symbol (when you honk) (Also Imma go sleep now, I need to sleep to avoid my brain tonight Take care, everyone!)

[icy spruce]

Night Fae!

[frigid tinsel]

the prophecy in the prophecy caves shows the chosen one, a skykid (perhaps the first skykid), completing the trials and being revered over Eden. Folk believe they were crowned king after that.

[robust flare]

I peeked at chat and have something else to say now about king

[red ivy]

but I've finished trials multiple times! where my crown?

[robust flare]

The king is shown in vault cutscene holding a circle. The circle represents the Megabird (as shown in concept art). Therefore, I believe it's plausible that the king holds/held control over the cycle of life and death. (Okie, done for real now. BYEEEE )

[frigid tinsel]

Well all the ancestors are dead so

[red ivy]

just wake up

[frigid tinsel]

Wdym?

[tulip aspen]

The trials happen in your mind and we are able to meditate very powerfully due to our strong connection to the Sky, so when we fail the trials we are able to just revive ourselves, but ancient children of the light weren't as strongly connected to the sky, so when they failed a trial, the murals say that they fell to the floor in capacitated, and maybe even have died

tldr, when the Chosen One did it, they did it without dying even once, on their first ever try

[red ivy]

wake up from dead

[frigid tinsel]

Debatable if the trials happen solely in mindscape

[red ivy]

holy moly.😱

he deserved a crown, I say. maybe two

[compact shale]

Hm? why?

[tulip aspen]

think about this logically

they wouldn't just hand the royal elemental powers the trials give you to the first person to win if the trials were just a fun mini game like it is for us

no, the trials HAD to have been virtually impossible

there's a reason the chosen one is the chosen one

[frigid tinsel]

So the logical conclusion is that the trials occur in the mind? Things can be real and difficult, even if it wasn’t for skykids. Prob was difficult and deadly for ancestors who largely weren’t skykids

Seems meditating can make one able to teleport. Meditating at the small statues can let skykids teleport back to Homespace. For the trials the set up seems to allow anyone to teleport to the trials (and forfeit from within)

[tulip aspen]

i have reason to believe homespace brings us completely into the Mindspace (into a kinda psychological spiritual dimension, in between spirits and life, which is why I call it Limbo)

Home is one gigantic Mindspace shared by all skykids

the major debunk against this is that we fall from the Sky to Home after we rebirth, so idk, maybe it is a real place

I find that highly unlikely and impossible to explain tho, so here's the two outcomes I will accept

Home is either a Mindspace pocket dimension, or it's not even canon

[compact shale]

Why CAN'T the Sky take you into a mindspace?

[tulip aspen]

exactly, it possibly could, so that debunk against my theory is honestly fallible as well

[frigid tinsel]

the "it's not real / it's all a dream/in the mind" cliché is really dull and just poor writing

[tulip aspen]

and because that latter explanation sucks, it has to be that it's a mind space

because teleportation is a random and crazy thing to imply is actually legit in the story

think about it that's implying that ancestors knew how to create mind technology that would warp you somehow, and then even worse, it would imply that sky kids or the sky or.... something? created the home portals and everything at home

[tulip aspen]

wait what this isn't a wizard of Oz kind of it's not real, this is delving in more into dimensions and such and a medium between life and death

what you're talking about is when an entire story is built on the premise that none of it actually exists and therefore none of it matters and I never said that

[tulip aspen]

something you definitely could argue is cliche and lazy is me going "It doesn't fit amongst Sky's known story and the ancestor's possible capabilities? Yeah it's definitely in another dimension"

...tbh canon chasing feels so painful because in order to make my theories and ideas feel concrete and near-canon, i have to actively debunk every other theory about the current topic, in order to make mine stronger via process of elimination

this sucks

[compact shale]

So, what or who do you think creates these pocket dimensions, and how?

[icy spruce]

Megabirb (friee chicken)

[brittle flower]

theory: Sky kids are the bad guys that steal light from the land to (spoilers) ||sacrifice it to eden and be reborn to do it over and over again||

[tulip aspen]

before i talk about what the pocket dimensions could be and why and how they exist, can we appreciate that meditation is one of most solid thematic aspects of Sky?

every moment of it feels solidly in the mindscape and honestly the game does a fantastic job or showing that, even after all these seasons every time you're able to meditate somewhere it just makes sense and feels right

in the vanilla game, we meditate at the elders to enter their mindscape, at the races to summon confetti and cheering, at vault to activate the power diamond elevator and allow it to pull us into a powerful illusion, and at homeshrines to enter the Skykid Pocket Dimension tm (and the return shrine)

then we got meditation dailies, and the boat to the ark (did we power the diamonds in it or just activate it with our mind??)

Our next rendition of a chance to meditate, 9 months after launch, was at the trials, a powerful group of mindscapes the prophets handcrafted.
Then we got to dance with the skater girl in her own mindscape in the dreams finale, but I didnt even notice this one until far later.
In assembly and flight, the theme is still going strong, as the scouts/flight team materialize situations akin to their struggles from the past.

the rules regarding it's functions and mechanics ive observed and spoke of here have never changed, and it's one of the most underrated and powerful abilities skykids have

we are meditation beasts
for honking like crazy, we'd all make pretty good monks

[sharp plover]

hey which link is the concept art in pins

[tulip aspen]

youd be much better off from getting images and docs from any of the loreheads here, they archive and store info like crazy and it's awesome

[compact shale]

Just like monks, we'll never marry either

[icy spruce]

I HEAR DOCS

WHO NEEDS DOCS

[willow rune]

https://www.tomzhao.com/sky1 there are some concept arts here.

[icy spruce]

https://imgur.com/a/9T4PmQC

More concept arts

[compact shale]

Oof

Imgur stopped working for me for some reason

[icy spruce]

oof

[harsh pecan]

👀

[tulip aspen]

we literally know nothing about this mindscape
i can only say for certain it exists
theory wise, i have three layers to delve through, each less solid than the last

[compact shale]

Think you can tell?

[tulip aspen]

first off, Homespace needs to be addressed.
Homespace is as physical as the mindscape could theoretically get. How the heck could we create such a powerful and real looking pocket dimension here at Home, when all other instances of tapping into the mindscape show frail blue figures??
Well, this isnt just my Homespace: we all share the exact same pocket dimension as skykids. It's like ingrained into the back of our minds: this place was meant for us all to be able to congregate together, and all of our minds work towards keeping it alive.

the second layer is about what it is. (might be) They are all pocket dimensions, but id like to think they are actually all one connected interface of just inner psyche, connecting the dead and the living, in between a spirit world and the real world
we as skykids seem to be instinctually trained to medi (by the Sky, ig) and are much more powerful than ancestors and ancient children of the light, being able to not die from using the trials, being able to interface with the Elder's mindscapes and strengthen the will of spirits with our own strength of mind.

but then there's the deepest layer.
what binds us together in places like Homespace? funnily enough it's basically chesca's answer above. This magical and psychological mindscape we enter so often is directly tied to the Sky. It's almost a chakra type vibe, where every being, real or spirit, is tied to the universe, brought together by that energy that flows between every living being, or in Sky's case, flows between all creatures of Light, breathing as one, swimming as one, flying together in one big space known as the Sky. Skykids and ancestors are unavoidably tied to that energy, they belong to it, it calls to them, pulling them in, so that the living and dead feel the medium between each other

||mid message, sorry guys it ended up being 2350 long, i gotta cut it down||

Homespace has to be deliberately crafted by the Sky to help the skykid on their journey; it leads them in a linear pathway to Eden, it brings all Skykids together so they can stay strong as groups, as family
All of us are tied to Home because it's the anchor the Sky built for us, that we will always stay focused on the true mission, ascending spirits

alright im going to bed

as yall can tell i had WAY too much free time on my hands today xDDDD

[tulip aspen]

i can but i wish i had more evidence

as my weird appreciation post up there shows, i adore the concept of meditation and wish i could say for certain im right about it

[compact shale]

Hm, I see.

Make sure to sleep at the appropriate time! :D

[tulip aspen]

finished the Mt Eden concept

[compact shale]

Make sure... you're getting your snepple snopple...

[tulip aspen]

I'm sleepiny fruity i swear its fine

im not insane yorue inaane

[icy spruce]

laughs in pulls I SWEAR TO OUT an all-nighter

no brain juiice (and dsleeop) gangg

[compact shale]

Pal it's 5pm for me it's not a good time to sleep

also your spelling holy frick

[icy spruce]

wdym it’s perfecctky normnasl to me

Maybe dyuo shjould sleep (/j)

[rigid mural]

On my wl run of prairie, I noticed two things.
First, getting real close to winged lights with very quiet or even no BGM lets you hear them... sing ?
Made me think of the two times we hear genuine voices in the game, Isle intro and Orbit.

Second, I think that what crab movements reference is... Krills.
Spinning in circles patrolling an area, and needing a few moments to target you if they spot you before charging at you with a screech.

[true grove]

Didn't ash say crab movements is a clue to what they are made of

[rigid mural]

Exactly.

Krills ? Elder crabs ? Shrimps and crabs are crustaceans after all
(and edible)

[thick plaza]

Eat the krill to beat the krill

[hushed steeple]

I always thought they moved robotically

[robust flare]

Jellyfish also sing!

Also based on the murals in ark, it seems like the crabs might be pots. I was thinking maybe if darkness thrives in a pot with light, perhaps it creates a new being

[hushed steeple]

My two cents are that Krebs are also corrupted creatures

[robust flare]

In prairie, there is a pot with darkness growing inside it. It has always intrigued me

[ocean tiger]

darkness house plants JDHSHD

[robust flare]

Actualllyyy...maybe....

If there's light farming, how about darkness farming?

[icy spruce]

we burn darkness to get light so

[robust flare]

Oh. Then yep. I guess that became an advanced form of light farming

[ocean tiger]

like seeds :>

[robust flare]

Another reason creatures got mad

I still want to know if one of Sky's themes is the erasure of poor people's homes/lives/history. Tearing down old things (thus erasing the existence of the poor people who built it) and building grander, more modern structures

[willow prawn]

I don't think so. It's explicitly mentioned there are slums in Valley and the town of Dreams is supposed to reflect smaller, humbler homes too

A description of Valley does mention that both "rich and poor all join together for the excitement of the race" or something like that

[blazing kernel]

go sleep pet

[robust flare]

I suppose you're right. It's too bad, I was hoping for some historic home love 😔

[robust flare]

I thought I'd look at the prophecy masks to see what role the spirits play based on the animal...found something interesting about the guide's mask https://www.britannica.com/topic/Anubis

[icy spruce]

oh ye, Anubis

there)s a lot of theories abt Proph QG and Anubis just search Anubis in: #lore-discussion-spoilers

[robust flare]

Lord of the dead, "he who is upon his mountain", "lord of the sacred land"

I figured, I just never looked into it before. I spent too much time redrawing murals and the elders over and over 😄

[icy spruce]

O

[robust flare]

Spider being related to "resilience" just made me think of the itsy bitsy spider...

[lusty merlin]

Anyone got theory’s on why they this section of vault is like collapsed and dug into? Like the the first image the hole is definitely dug from the other side since it gets smaller at the other end, I would give my take but I don’t have any ideas

[distant turtle]

The question is which crop is Grandma feeding us?

[distant turtle]

One thing it implies is that Vault was around long enough to be considered an old structure with sealed up secrets. It also implies that whoever made these breaches did not have knowledge of the proper way to enter these chambers. It also might mean that these chambers were sealed so that they could only be accessed by destructive entry!

[lusty merlin]

Oo that would make more sense, so whoever tried to access this area maybe wanted to find some kind of information sealed in there?

[distant turtle]

That’s what I think about this area

[robust flare]

Oh, the vault I think was "forbidden". But people got inside

That area is called the archives. "a collection of historical documents or records providing information about a place, institution, or group of people." (Oxford languages, definition of "archives")

[distant turtle]

We can also learn something from following the Wise Grandparent memory

[robust flare]

I used to believe the vault was all a dream. Now I'm thinking nope. There's spirits and evident damage...I think there's magic at work

I still want to know why the top of vault looks the way it does. After meditating and seeing the cutscenes

It feels to me like a significant passage of time. Backward, forward, Idk

[thick plaza]

Perhaps when we are taken just outside Eden, after meditating, it is just another "pillar"
We go up one of these using one of the few less damaged elevators
The one we see before we go to Eden looks beyond repair
Maybe Vault has many elevators with loads of different information stored in each of these "pillars"

It's a bit messy, sorry

[robust flare]

It's okay. That's an interesting idea!

I also just thought of something else. Maybe if the vault was built from top to bottom? When we reach the top of vault, maybe we are actually taken back to the "beginning" of vault?

Vault is confusing to me. If there weren't supposed to be people in there, who was ALLOWED in? And who built it?

[distant turtle]

The dream version of Vault halts, and you are looking at the true Vault summit, a ruin. Or, it’s a separate room even higher and we teleport. The concept art suggests maybe the latter. I don’t know just sharing my thoughts with you.

[robust flare]

Yeah. I had assumed it was time travel, but it could be dream vs reality

[distant turtle]

For me Vault is more of a holographic visionary illusion. We are inside the building but can’t see the walls anymore or space is warped. Like a holodeck or the training rooms in X-Men

[robust flare]

All I know is, vault is wack

[distant turtle]

Or like in Marvel that character that makes you see things, Wanda

[robust flare]

I'm going to try using my genealogy/architecture experience to try piecing together some minor Sky world things! Will get back to you all if I find anything

[boreal nebula]

indeed, I always thought that to be a sort of fantasy ork (like the Shaman and Dismiss from Gratitude) and infact only recently discovered it was called Crab Mask

But after this little clue I kind of see it more resembling the crabs/spiders in those tiny bells on the Switch trailer
So maybe not all crabs hide inside a rock as shell

[lofty rover]

First of all, thank you for mentioning switch trailer- my beloved.
why don't people talk about it more here?!?
And yes. Kreb cute and weird

[boreal nebula]

From the memories of DontGo Father from Belongings and Chilling Spirit from Sanctuary crabs seems the same, using the same kind of rock as shell

Maybe not all crabs use those, maybe some use bells like we can see on Switch trailer

[willow prawn]

I didn't read it completely, but I was seeing how beta evolved in Isle of Dawn, and some spirit statues had a darkness spider on top that, when burned, gave the emote to the skykid. Maybe it's related to that

[hushed steeple]

Like the LA dark slug thing is the inner crab? Thats....kinda clever actually.

[thick plaza]

Probably the monks, people dedicated to learning magic and how the world of Sky worked

[boreal nebula]

tying this to the infinite ocean when you fall from Office/Space Station

I think even Home isn't canon like Office:
First of all consider that it's weird there is a portal in final floor or Vault (after Elder cutscene) which magically connect to Home, I think it's a bit weird, but maybe it's the leading hint (btw it's similar to a magical portal at the bottom of Vault, leading to Office)
Second of all, I know this might be very weak, but I once fell with a friend on the infinite ocean. AND I noticed there is a far far group of white clouds (mostly seen a just a dot) which I think could be the group of clouds we see over Home

So I kind of picture them to be sort of in the same meta dimension (even if too far to be seen clearly from each others)

[thick plaza]

I feel like Home was built for the sole purpose of our skids journey, that's one of the reasons why we don't see spirits there who give us emotes, also why there are convenient portals for us to every realm

Can't think of anyone who could have built it other than the Megabird

[frigid tinsel]

it's possible Homespace existed before the fall

[thick plaza]

Maybe it was so far from the other realms no one got to it; they never explored that far out

[ocean tiger]

cant u like see isle from home though

[boreal nebula]

Me too

I even have some geography question about Valley for Ash

Btw... If Ash ever happens to login here there could be 3 geographic questions I would like to be answered (maybe even you could ask/copy-paste them for me)

1. Why is Eden not visible in some areas which don't seem too far away from the Eden Mountain?
   (Citadel, Village and Hermit Peek + Sanctuary)
   (Maybe only the last one could be justified, because there is alot of clouds which could be in the way and Eden Beacon "Relative Magnitude" isn't enough ||pretty sure that's fancy name to quantify the light of far out stars relatively to our Sun||)
   (Too Far Out option wouldn't be a suitable answer for me, after all it a giant space beam, and if my interpretation is tha Starlight Desert is a dreamlike memory of the far far desert seen in the Switch Desert, now completely dried out, then it should be visible in those locations no matter what)

2. Isn't it strange that the skilift Village → Stadium makes no sense?
   (Let's ignore the fact gondolas rise up in a way and turns out moving the other way around Gondolas go towards the bottom of the Trumpet Statue ramp, the one leading racers inside the Stadium, but turns out we don't end up on the left/Red side of the Stadium... Is it just a decision made to make the Stadium closer to the Village in order to remark how big would be the Skater's dream if come true? )

||3. Why I get the idea that the Yeti's Peek has the same shape and slope of scalene triangular mountain behind Valley cosmetics chiosks? 😏

(In my mind the Hermit's Peek route is actually passinf under the clouds before Valley Social Area in order to align with that scalene mountain (maybe I should try to draw my idea of how convoluted are Social Area-Village-Hermit Peek )||

[willow prawn]

I have copied them! Probably the spoiler won't appear but I'll try to remember if I happen to catch Ash again

[deep osprey]

Does anyone know what this mural is? It appears after doing the 3rd sequence of the Ushering Stargazer's memories and getting close to this specific rock.

[thick plaza]

Well, there's the Isle temple(?), on the clouds, and people seem to have used the boats to get there.
Not sure what's in their hands

[wide cargo]

A prop closet /j

[thick plaza]

The symbol..... it's familiar.

Isn't it a king symbol?

[sonic pollen]

Do we think skykids get hot

always wearing pants and long sleeves we need summer clothes

[signal echo]

that symbol is on the prop closet but it's also used to represent the king in some murals i think?

it has 8 points like etc so it has some kind of meaning behind it

[thick plaza]

We do have shorter pants, and a dress

[thick plaza]

Isn't it in Prairie, the very first cloud tunnel

I'll try and get a pic, wait

[nimble ingot]

That was part of the old version of the ushering stargazer's memory.
I am glad it still appears even after it was changed.

[sonic pollen]

More dresses

[molten summit]

sorry for the dumb question but what's the structure in the opening scene of isle?? it reminds me of eden but looks much calmer and seemingly doesn't project a huge beam upwards so i got a bit confused as i never saw it anywhere

[willow prawn]

This is part of a series of murals and it begins in the big King's Rock King Leon Rock rock, near to the candles.
The sequence basically has a group of people taking... Thingies up to the temple. Using the flying boats, they ascend until (I think) arrive to the Isle Elder.

Would have to check, but more important, What are those thingies?? Offerings?

[thick plaza]

It's, I think, the castle that we fly up past on the way to orbit?

[opal galleon]

well, that's eden, isn't it?

[robust flare]

I was wondering if the song names would have anything to do with current lore? The music by Vincent Diamente

Oh discord didn't catch me up. Now I gotta look through the chat

[signal echo]

yeah the structure in the isle cutscene is the same one we see during the ascension cutscene (flying from eden to orbit)
that's the whole reason the structure is shown there, as a visual indicator to sort of say "you made it"

[robust flare]

One song that has a really intriguing name is Two Heroes. I'm guessing the two heroes are the skykid and the elder though

[molten summit]

ah alright!! never paid much attention to the flying part after eden dhjshs thanks for the heads up!

[signal echo]

where does the song play?

[robust flare]

I think it's the wasteland elder cutscene music

[mystic cosmos]

If that structure is the one we see in eden then that makes me wonder why the mural show boats as well.

[signal echo]

i think the mural pictured above is meant to be showing the isle temple

[robust flare]

There's also a song called The Cloud Messenger. Not sure if it's still in the game though

[mystic cosmos]

That would make more sense

[rain lance]

this statement somehow supporting my theory that child of light who passed all trials becomes Eden Elder. Yeah...every player character in their alternative timeline has a mission to release the fallen back into the sky and become Eden elder

[wide cargo]

Do you guys think this symbol could represent spirits? Cuz skykids basically take spirits to temple to ascend them (?)

[rain lance]

they needed to store a candle inside

[signal echo]

the cloud messenger is ingame! i don't think the song titles have a very large significance when it comes to the game's lore aside from being a vague word or phrase to describe the point in the story. the only ones that don't seem to make much sense (at least from what i see in vol1) are the cloud messenger and two heroes, but it could easily be argued that the song titles refer to the player in one way or another

[hushed steeple]

I included that wind spire in my king comp. its possible he used the symbol as his mask. But its also possible they took his mask and put it everywhere

[signal echo]

with the huge statues in wasteland i think it could just be a symbol to represent the kingdom / the king themself

[robust flare]

Yeah. I think most songs are pretty concrete. It's mostly the Cloud Messenger I'm curious about. When does it play?

[signal echo]

isn't it the bgm for the opening cutscene when you enter isle? i think the cloud messenger might refer to the skykid's role as an introduction to the story

[robust flare]

I think it's actually different. I think the song in isle might be Opening Breath

[signal echo]

i'm not actually sure now, they're so similar

[robust flare]

I WILL FIND OUT (heading to isle)

[deep osprey]

I mean we have fire immunity

[deep osprey]

I think it symbolizes a gift, or just light in general.

[robust flare]

NEITHER SONG SOUNDS RIGHT-

Maybe there's three versions of the same song

[compact shale]

What's going on?

[robust flare]

Trying to figure out if the song The Cloud Messenger is still in the game. We thought maybe it was the song at the beginning of isle, but it was a little different, as was the OTHER song, Opening Breath. They all sound very similar

[rain lance]

I'm confused....In Russian version monk in white cape was called "The Spiritspeaker" and transparent mantas were called "Spirit mantas"

[tulip aspen]

YOU'LL NEVER TAKE ME ALIVE MOSSY

[hushed steeple]

I always considered them pretty similar. A spirit is the soul of the dead. A memory being the memory of the manta. The meaning of both maybe meaning, they are no longer alive.

[tulip aspen]

i think it exists, but the meditation fact just proves too hard it's actually a Mindspace

[hushed steeple]

Ark boat also has a meditation circle. So does every seasonal quest. I think its just a load the next thing zone.

[mystic cosmos]

Could someone fill me in on what the Megabird is. Sorry!

[tulip aspen]

that's actually very accurate to current canonchasing research

"the prophets could see glimpses of the future, and saw that they were supposed to anoint a king Chosen One through the power of trials

so they made the trials, a series of tests that happen in your mind

children of the light fall towards the isle of dawn, and the prophets seem to have sent Ushering Stargazer to bring the children to the trials, to have them tested

we dont know how many failed, but we can see that many DID fail, and when they did they became incapacitated somehow, and possibly even died...

eventually, a child of the light finally defeated all four trials, and was crowned king/(or)prince called Chosen One

this is all we know for sure, through the memories of the Ushering Stargazer, and through the paintings on the walls in the cave of prophecy"

[hushed steeple]

Sort of like a skygod but a lot more vauge. It could be the combined form of all rebirthing souls, it might be a supernova or galaxy or something. But it seems to be the cause or source of birth and rebirth.

Its only seen in credits and in orbits sky

[tulip aspen]

"this is my official direct answer lolol

"i think its more beautiful being mystical and impossible to understand
it keeps a godly and reverent atmosphere to it

The Sky has many names
Megabird, The Stars, The Light

I'd like to think that The Sky is just everything
everything in this universe belongs to the sky, to the dust that forms stars, stars like us

that's the vibe the ending gives me, anyways
i see all creatures, all spirits and life becoming children of the sky, and how all of them are just more stars in the sky, all a part of something greater"

Megabird is just the personification of the Sky
Maybe someday it'll be confirmed it is indeed a real entity that rules over the Sky
Who knows....

pantheism is believing that everything that composes reality is divine/god thus divinity is within reality itself and every single thing.
this is different from panentheism, which is the belief that the divine/god is in everything

its more like my belief is that every LIVING creature of Light makes up the divine reality of the Sky

the darkness and corruption, and the Earth, aren't really connected to the Sky, but we can see that the darkness affects the Light, and that the Light can create/replicate the elements of the Earth (the skychild is also able to use the Light to burn away the darkness covering everything)"

[mystic cosmos]

Thank you!! I’d heard mention of it and I just wanted to make sure I knew what everyone meant.

[tulip aspen]

yes, the King's Crown, as I like to dub it

[mystic cosmos]

I love that answer!!

[tulip aspen]

fascinating

i mean, we could make aaall kinds of extravagant theories about it, especially when you consider stargazer is one of the prophet's cronies

but i think, face value; it's just another generic mural of "we bring light to the temple to please the Elder"

[wooden crypt]

@snow topaz king

[snow topaz]

Oh my

[hushed steeple]

A lot of those I got from concept art too. Had to make sure I got the Prince with coral hat :] hes a darling

[mystic cosmos]

I feel like if we put all the murals found in sky in a somewhat chronological order it might tell a sort of story? I’m pretty sure the murals in journey do that.

[hushed steeple]

Especially prophecy :]

[deep osprey]

Sooo... We are prince?

[tulip aspen]

technically they could and should, and devs like ash would tell you they do, but Sky isn't exactly a triple A game with proper complete content all finished at launch

[mystic cosmos]

True

[ocean tiger]

is the king like the elder of something like Eden

[thick plaza]

We do presume so, yes

[tulip aspen]

yes

i should write a proper analysis on them someday, but i don't really like all the old og lore talk surrounding prince/king

[hushed steeple]

King is also king of lore chat >:) jam is banished

[ocean tiger]

yea if u have any analysis of stuff I'll read it bc I pretty much got into the lore like today HDJSJDHD

[thick plaza]

How do we know stargazer is one of king's cronies?

[tulip aspen]

here's my intro analysis, because im extremely confident the intro has always given us the story from the beginning
(WHICH ASH CONFIRMED BTW, SO MAYBE IM RIGHT)
It's not actually solidly concrete tho, so take all of my work with a grain of salt

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sNuL12VgxIoRl57s-bkYFiAg1a7D42n8WvsaiPNyzI4/edit?usp=drivesdk

[ocean tiger]

THANK UU ill read it now shhdhs :))

[hushed steeple]

We don’t she might have been one of the nice folks who found him though. Like superman

[thick plaza]

Ah ok thank uu

[tulip aspen]

no we know she's one of the prophet's cronies, cos in the mural kami just sent stargazer and one of Isle's priests is sending the same child of the light they find in stargazer's memory, towards the trials

[hushed steeple]

Or at least willingly sent him off to fulfill his ‘destiny’

[thick plaza]

Oh sorry i misread that, my brain automatically links prophecy to the king

[tulip aspen]

thatd be awesome!

[mystic cosmos]

Just another think that’s interesting is your favorite friends are in the shape of a crown.

[tulip aspen]

in my analysis pages, you'll see me say "the king/prince"
the more accurate term is "the royal" but everyone likes the former term

in concept art the climax of the ending of the game is fighting the King, a corrupted Elder who is as tall as a skyscraper
architecture all over Sky and concept art references the King

the prince is also mentioned in concept art, but we have absolutely no solid evidence of who or what they would be/have-been
the king and prince are often mentioned interchangeably because concepts have done so

perhaps the prince grew up to be the king (after becoming the chosen one in the trials(??))

perhaps the prince was the King's son

perhaps we should realize we know literally absolutely nothing about the prince (even less than megabird)

canonchasing wise, talking about the prince/king always leads to dead ends, but headcanon/fanfic wise, they're an unlimited amount of possible content lolol

[hushed steeple]

I think at one point one of the mods basically supported reincarnated theory

[tulip aspen]

that feel a bit more accurate kami?

[tulip aspen]

oh?
what's that theory?

oh lol, is it that we are the prince reincarnated lmao

btw, how come people use what mods say as almost dev quotes

[hushed steeple]

I don’t see an direct contradictions. Theres no proof hes not a elder as the other elders though. Even though, now he does not exist as they do anymore.

For the mods that don’t double as devs, usually because they have seen content or have been playing the game long enough to know. The that instance, the mod saw a livestream that has never been reuploaded, so its exclusive knowledge to back then.

But yeah if they made something up outta the blue I wouldnt trust it.

[tulip aspen]

that's completely fair and true, I can't prove that

that addendum is just a theory rather than an analysis, and ill edit it so that it tells that, thanks!

the theory does have ground tho
like you said, the King isn't alive anymore even thought the other Elders are
the other Elders did probably die, but when they did they just casually returned to the Sky because they are just that powerful

because the King wasn't able to do this I don't think he was as connected to the Sky as the other Elders were, if he was even connected at all (i dont think he was)

What sets the actual Elders out as Elders is that they are demigod-like beings sent by the Sky

But the Chosen One was created from a child of the light, by the kingdom, to rule over their kingdom

The Sky doesn't wants the people to make a kingdom, it just wants them to ascend, so the Chosen One is intended for the ancestor's wishes; against the Sky

[hushed steeple]

Well he sure did do something against the sky. I think the reason hes not even a spirit or cannot be visited in an alter is reincarnated theory though. The exact dev quote was “there was an eden elder but there is nothing left to save”

Other dev quotes are something like “Prince and King still exist in the games story, but not in the way you might think”

[tulip aspen]

who knows kami, who knows

the reincarnated theory rests on a big fat WAFO, which yes, sounds exciting

either way, the reincarnation theory doesn't disprove that he's not an actual elder so i have no qualms with it

[mystic cosmos]

Even the name Eden suggests that maybe it didn’t used to be a bad place. Maybe instead of being the “ worst” place in the game it was the best? Maybe it was the place where they could connect with the Sky??

[hushed steeple]

That makes sense why he would want to activate eden beam

[jolly delta]

Wait....no ts hint..?

[willow prawn]

Tomorrow!

[jolly delta]

Thank U

[harsh pecan]

The size difference tho

[abstract wasp]

Bruh I can't believe I missed ash again... Dang

[boreal nebula]

My opinion about those four thing is tied to the first mural unlocked by the first Prophecy Quest
We see there a falling star and then the gate to prophecy appears among the clouds.

I think maybe EITHER it fall one star with the power of the four elements which then need to be obtained with the trials OR there was Just one which hold all 4 elements (even though I think in the Cave murals there used to be more than one falling like in an old Isle Intro tunnel

I know many think that's the skykid (maybe the Chosen One/Prince from Stargazer's memories) was the one who fell, but I recently watched the cutscene from quests and there are 2 time lines told in the main Cave murals

[deep osprey]

I think it shows why we are who we are. We passed the trials.

[boreal nebula]

In one (from just the quest) the star fell (maybe one maybe more) then the search for the chosen one star and the murals tell us about how they trial come up with the Trials

But a secon story is told with the same murals (using the floating Brazier after Fire Trial) about the boy, a chosen one from or who passed from Isle (only entrance at the time,..?)

During the boy/girl/Prince story there is no sign of another falling star.. so his origins maybe unknown

Or he could really be the same sky kid we met in Stargazer's memory

[boreal nebula]

Mm.. yeah, after all devs left many things with open interpretations

[deep osprey]

The sky kid in stargazers memory IS us!

[boreal nebula]

Odd but possible

[deep osprey]

Also, on the first mural in the prophecy cave we see the "no" guy whatshisname and we can identify him by his thingy, the head mask thingy you know what I nean

Many people question the king's lore, but I just question ours.

[harsh pecan]

Same

[deep osprey]

Heck, the king's lore is the least of my concern! I just rather look at the realms and try to picture how they may have used to look.

[abstract wasp]

Or the realms we're missing to that were destroyed

[deep osprey]

THERE'S MORE?

[harsh pecan]

Wait…but when we fall we arrive at Home and not Isle

[deep osprey]

Maybe because isle is just not habitable anymore, so the gods gave us a new home

[ocean tiger]

the joys of watching people discuss lore that i do not undertstand :))

[harsh pecan]

Maybe, but I don’t think the events in Stargazer’s memory match up to what happens in game if that child is us. Also who are the other “gods” you mentioned?

[deep osprey]

Elders? If they can give us the power of rebirth, they can give us a home.

[harsh pecan]

Do you want a doc to help you get started?

Hello new Lore Moff!
Read this short document to get started! Once you’ve read this, check out pins for more information.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18B1-SKG3toG0oH0VhOWC5o-cG9u0STAN92QvmbhTDto/edit

credits to Bricky

[ocean tiger]

ill take anything so yes pls HDHSJD

[harsh pecan]

Hmmmmmmm I’m not too sure about that but okay 👍

[deep osprey]

I don't care about the Eden elder, but I do wonder what Eden looked like before the darkness 👀

[harsh pecan]

Same (for that second part), but why do you not care about the Eden Elder?

[deep osprey]

Just not gonna waste my time on something that I'm not too sure about yet

[harsh pecan]

You can always do research

Actually, I’m pretty sure he was confirmed to be canon so yea

[deep osprey]

He may exist, he may not exist, but since we are uncertain about his existence, let's avoid him to prevent confusion amongst ourselves.

[tulip aspen]

it was the capital city of the kingdom for sure, with the king's castle at the very top

[deep osprey]

Idk about kings, but yes, it was important. Maybe we're looking to deep into a picture, but in reality we just need to step back and look from a distance.

[tulip aspen]

yeahh, we'll never be too sure about him, there's literally no info about him

glad to see a lore moff being an intellectual /j

[hushed steeple]

I got picture of unbroken eden unless you mean without a castle all together.

[tulip aspen]

thats literally what i say about him and megabird

keep in mind tho, the king DID exist
there was for sure a king, a ruler of the land
we just know literally nothing about him except that he may have been the Chosen One who defeated the trials

[deep osprey]

It may have been a scrapped idea. I'm writing a book and I've gone through too many scrapped ideas.

[tulip aspen]

whoa really?? can we see

[deep osprey]

We do know he existed, but we still have very little info, so let's just focus our lore digging elsewhere. I have a theory about the entirety of shipwreck, but I don't want to rant about it, it's pretty long...

[hushed steeple]

Hes confirmed for the game. Has statues in the game. And has more of an arch set than any other character. Ironically. Just that how much of it is still canon to current version is questionable.

[compact shale]

Reika says he kinda exists. But the rest is left up to us for now.

[hushed steeple]

I like to think it was like a futuristic city. Hhhhh

[harsh pecan]

Mhm

[tulip aspen]

if you stay tuned into tomorrow ill put together a google doc folder of all of my analysis

as of right now they kinda just sit in a private chat only i can see in my skyfam server lolol, that's why and how i pull them out so quickly when loremoffs have questions

[deep osprey]

Actually you know what, I will rant about the shipwreck theory

[harsh pecan]

The intro analysis?

[hushed steeple]

Im like “im not gonna waste my precious phone storage on pictures of sky lore” but then I

[deep osprey]

Once an oil tanker ran aground. The oil spilled into the water, and polluted it. The pollution made a nearby whale suffocate in the darkness and turn into a krill. The krill posed a giant danger to the crew. The Saluting Captain launched the first lifeboat, but judging by how there's a very broken lifeboat in the direction it was going, it got krilled. The second one, however, made it to safety. Then, the captain stood back, and watched the krill, until at one point he died because he is a spirit now. Maybe this is why the elders gave him his home in the stars.

There is my shipwreck theory rant

Aaaaaaand nobody was here to see it. Great.

[pastel brook]

Hey @hushed steeple, how was your Sky day?

[icy spruce]

aren’t ancestors born as stars? (Like, ancestors are stars)

[deep osprey]

Then why are we the only human?

[icy spruce]

they’re not, humans and ancestors are different species

[compact shale]

That's what some say! Though the intro kiiiinda mangled the time when the stars fell

Also we skykids aren't human either

[deep osprey]

True true I identify as 25% krill

[hushed steeple]

Why are you asking, how-how did you know?

[icy spruce]

Kamil, did you do something

it’s the date where your fetus-self fully develops?

oh okay, anyways happy bday (dunno if sky or irl but like ye)

[hushed steeple]

If your going to say it like that no

[icy spruce]

congrats Kamil! you’re old

[tulip aspen]

no, all of my long paragraphs about specific topics

i can pull out any of them on a whim when people ask about that topic lolol

[hushed steeple]

ONETHOUSAND NOTIFICATIONS

[icy spruce]

how many servers are u in

cause damn, 1k pings

[tulip aspen]

we arent human

""the stars fell and built a kingdom"

stars=CotL
ancestors=kingdom builders

A=B
B=C
A=C

the ancestors fell as children of the Light

my analysis works because every sentence is lowkey ooozing with implications and messages, we just dont pay attention lol

also, children of the light =/= skykids
skykids are CotL, but CotL are not always skykids
a square is a rectangle, but yadaydayda

skykids (players) are children of the light (beings from the Sky), but children of the light is not a specific term for skykids (players/descendents)
skykid is the terminology lorechat uses regarding players

there were ancient CotL tho, and the first CotL were the ones that first fell when the first wave of darkness hit the Sky
these first CotL, according to the intro, built the kingdom"

[icy spruce]

ye, im just gonna steal this

(w/ credits ofc)

[pastel brook]

Do you think bots can think?

[compact shale]

What do you think of our chat, Skybot?

[deep osprey]

Hello pama, yea I believe you can think

[willow prawn]

Do bots dream of electric mantas?

[livid valley]

AI works

[deep osprey]

Judging by how you mind controlled a city of 1000+ ppl back in 2016 or smth... Yea.. you can definitely think, PAMA. But I forgive you.

[harsh pecan]

After I’ve seen your messages, I don’t know anymore

[steep prawn]

Does anyone have a concept of the butterflies being artificial made because of the concept of ||batteries with butterfly traps||

[tulip aspen]

what concept is that?

[steep prawn]

My friend found this here at the art channel or something then someone was claiming that butterflies are not natural creatures because they are made with magic

[tulip aspen]

well yes they are made of Light lol
all creatures of the Sky are just Light

[steep prawn]

so therefore artificial made?

[frigid tinsel]

no, light is natural

[tulip aspen]

no, not robots, just magic beings

[steep prawn]

This gave me more insights i couldn't think before, made things more clearer

[tulip aspen]

i already posted this today and it feels kinda gross to shill myself but here ygo lol @steep prawn

"this is my official direct answer lolol

"i think its more beautiful being mystical and impossible to understand
it keeps a godly and reverent atmosphere to it

The Sky has many names
Megabird, The Stars, The Light

I'd like to think that The Sky is just everything
everything in this universe belongs to the sky, to the dust that forms stars, stars like us

that's the vibe the ending gives me, anyways
i see all creatures, all spirits and life becoming children of the sky, and how all of them are just more stars in the sky, all a part of something greater"

Megabird is just the personification of the Sky
Maybe someday it'll be confirmed it is indeed a real entity that rules over the Sky
Who knows....

pantheism is believing that everything that composes reality is divine/god thus divinity is within reality itself and every single thing.
this is different from panentheism, which is the belief that the divine/god is in everything

its more like my belief is that every LIVING creature of Light makes up the divine reality of the Sky

the darkness and corruption, and the Earth, aren't really connected to the Sky, but we can see that the darkness affects the Light, and that the Light can create/replicate the elements of the Earth (the skychild is also able to use the Light to burn away the darkness covering everything)"

[compact shale]

Pretty sure the name for that is "shameless plug"

Shameful plug?

[tulip aspen]

that concept of theirs may still very well be accurate/possible tho, which is scary @_@

it's beautifully done too

dont forget to give credit to them!

[compact shale]

Whose concept is that? Is that an official concept art?

Oh??

[tulip aspen]

yeah, that, lol

[deep osprey]

Nobody noticed my rant about the shipwreck ...

[steep prawn]

Thank you for this wonderful discussion and i will!

[tulip aspen]

huh, i thought i put a reaction on it... weird

[compact shale]

yeah same here

[tulip aspen]

ive never noticed a broken lifeboat.... if that's true that really sucks.......

[deep osprey]

(running to wasteland to get a photo)

[tulip aspen]

yes pls

[icy spruce]

Oh hey, it’s the butterfly squasher

[deep osprey]

[frigid tinsel]

you should prob just save a link back to the message rather than reposting the word wall again and again.
also you're quoting me with the pantheism & panentheism definition. credit where it's due

[frigid tinsel]

alternatively, this doesn't show butterflies & other light creatures being made but light creatures being used to make something else

[steep prawn]

Oh that becomes more interesting

[tulip aspen]

very true thx!

[frigid tinsel]

around the map there are these "power diamonds" or "darkstones." skykids apply their candle to activate them thus open doors or make boats fly. thanks to these materials, the kingdom was able to advance technologically. it's believed that the manufacturing of these power diamonds caused the great environmental devastation we see now, from pollution to endangering light creatures. it all culminated at some point to the red ones now in Eden that have been corrupted and likely have led to the downfall of the kingdom

[icy spruce]

manta shake

[edgy kernel]

are there any spots that show any quarrying/mining of the dark stone? i know one spirit is a miner, i think

[regal phoenix]

where's the lore tidbits I was told was here

[frigid tinsel]

cos of tearful light miner, we know there was mining for "light," but aside from where they are in the Hidden Forest, that's the only place we have that looks like mining had occurred

[edgy kernel]

ahh forgot they were a "light" miner, interesting

[tulip aspen]

made a better more complete version

before i post the version with subtitles, can we all make a game out of figuring out what's what?

[harsh pecan]

What are the rules of the game?

[tulip aspen]

name each part of the picture

[harsh pecan]

I tried

[icy spruce]

I think the ‘idk whats this’ are the people that failed

[harsh pecan]

OHHHH THAT MAKES MUCH MORE SENSE (They kinda looked like cigars tho)

[compact shale]

Imagine if cigars existed in Sky

yeesh

[harsh pecan]

That’s possible, but how would they smoke anyways?

[icy spruce]

there’s a possibility since looks at dark water

[harsh pecan]

Yes

[compact shale]

through their eyes /j

[icy spruce]

I can see that happening

[neat flint]

||Shush emote + candle activiting at the same time||

[harsh pecan]

||Good idea, I usually use the Shiver Emote Level 2 or Laugh (Assembly) Emote Level 3 + Candle but I’ll go try that||

[frigid tinsel]

there is that mask in the way. doesn't have mouth holes

[harsh pecan]

||Flour’s suggestion is better than using the Laugh Emote||

[sharp lichen]

This seems good, but I think the dead people are the ones who failed to pass the trials? So Resh has to be the one who completed it

[harsh pecan]

Yes

[hushed steeple]

👀

[hushed steeple]

ITS LIT UP ITS LIGHT ITS LIT ITS LIGHT LIGHT WHEEEEEE

WOWOW I LOVE IT

It gets progressively blurrier and more broken with each version of the game

[hushed steeple]

[harsh pecan]

THAT LOOKS SO PRETTY :00

[hushed steeple]

Saved city lights evil disney villian castle because I love it

[safe slate]

Wow💕

[compact shale]

When it's Christmas

everything lights up

Even the ruins are glowing

[sharp lichen]

So cool! I wonder if it’s actually in Sky (I’ll have to check)

[jaunty tapir]

and we thought we were fixing things turns out it's the opposite lmao

[narrow plume]

Wait, how are you sending pictures?
Nvm, i thought this was the general chat 💀

[robust flare]

In an old comic I drew Alef eating butterflies by smacking them into his eyes. So yep, I think if they smoked anything they would look...not all there in the head

[robust flare]

Oh wow that's gorgeous

[tulip aspen]

aaaaaand we're done!

[mighty berry]

I think the one on the middle is megabird

O h

[hushed steeple]

How do some realms looks like before it destroyed like wasteland and isle?

[icy spruce]

U can see Isle (before the fall) in the Nintendo trailer and uhh Wasteland prolly looked similar to Valley since GW and Valley used to be one (Golden Valley)

[mystic cosmos]

Do we think there were buildings there though? In the Valley we can see houses or some sort of thing as we glide down the hill. This is one of the only places we see this I think. Maybe it was a more open version? In the GW we can also see pipes coming out from buildings. We’re those there before the fall?

[icy spruce]

well, in (Valley) concept arts:

Higher class has floaty buildings and near the peak of Valley, while the lower class are well— down. GW is where diamonds (along side Forest) are made, so there’s a lot of factories (and prolly the reason why there’s not a lot of houses)

[bronze mountain]

Ik we see plenty of buildings beginning to fall apart and be worse as we descend towards GW.

imagining the golden valley makes me think of a sprawling city where the low-class area is also the industrial district... Not too dissimilar to plenty of modern cities.

[icy spruce]

Ffff, tgc pls make a sky series about the rise of the kingdom

OR JUST POST ART ON WHAT DOES THE REALM LOOK LIKE BEFORE THEE FALLLLL

[mystic cosmos]

This is a picture that I found online. It looks sorta like the GW and lower class.

[tulip aspen]

valley and GW were the same place, yes

but i think the concept references what village of dreams is; quaint towns in the lower points of the mountain range that makes up the southern area of the original realm

[mystic cosmos]

GW?

[tulip aspen]

th is that lol

oh hey flour

[neat flint]

This gives me switch trailer vibe qkbdozbwowbs

[bronze mountain]

I need to watch the switch trailer sometime...

[mystic cosmos]

I never thought of Sky had having a “lower class” but ig it makes sense.

[bronze mountain]

It was when it brought up, my imagination ran away from me with the concept. I theorize at a level that is usually dubiously related to canon at best. Like my one theory that dark creatures spawn from oil... Completely unfounded.

Now wondering if dark creatures are corrupted by oil exposure?...

[icy spruce]

Also, here’s the concept arts that I’m talking abt

[mystic cosmos]

Th working class sorta looks like Village of dreams. Idk maybe not..

[icy spruce]

ye, cause Dreams is working class (cause Blue represent high class)

[tulip aspen]

tis the point lolol

and we fly through some wealthy towns from the concept in the flying race

[mystic cosmos]

Ohhhh xD

[tulip aspen]

so that concept had technically always been in the game (since dreams)

[bronze mountain]

What if village of dreams highest levels of working class that survived? ...

Tangent hypothetical: light creatures can also be corrupt if exposed to oil, or are immune? End of flight makes me think they can even resist it. Corrupt dark creatures eat much light to try and make the corruption abate?... No, doesn't make sense, not really.

[icy spruce]

I hdcanon that krills are the creatures from nintendo that got exposed by diamonds (or oil) lmao

I also think that they eat light so that they can go back to their former self

[tulip aspen]

speaking of valley, since i proved that meditation brings us a little or lot into the Mindscape, and that the little circles we sit at to start each race make the Mindscape give us an illusion of confetti and a cheering crowd

can i just point out how hecking adorable that is?
that the skykid takes the time to use one of their most powerful nuanced abilities given to them by the Sky, to pretend people are cheering for them xD

[mystic cosmos]

If there was a working class and a higher class, what were they doing for work, and what distinguished them from each other. Was it money?

[compact shale]

Yes, but we have no idea how that money works or what it looks like. Maybe the future will tell...

[bronze mountain]

Maybe it's a gift left behind by the elder(s) imprinted upon mindscape! I don't know. Also a cute thought. They seem to value fun ...

[icy spruce]

Prolly higher class are like uhhh based by occupation

Or winners from previous competitions

[compact shale]

I've always thought that it was part of the spirits memories, sound is part of what you remember too

Though that makes me wonder, how DO skykids know what cheering sounds like in the first place? You'd think their idea of cheering sounds like INTENSE SPAM HONKING lol /lh

also the stockings is here

[icy spruce]

the real question is: why do we hear people cheering

since yknow, everyone’s dead

[neat flint]

Dead higher class people siren 💀

[compact shale]

I've always interpreted it as part of the Valley spirits' memories, if you're a racer you'd definitely remember all the fanfare despite not remembering the faces in the crowd

[icy spruce]

ye but like, during the race

there’s no one and we’re not reliving some spirit’s memory

[tulip aspen]

ohhhh nice nice good points

[tulip aspen]

because we create that in the mindscape lol

[icy spruce]

but skids never hear people cheer

just honk (and the honk doesn’t even sound like the cheering)

[tulip aspen]

fair points, but

1. it doesn't have to make that much sense
2. maybe fruity is right and that's the valley elders connecting to us

[compact shale]

I never mentioned the Valley Elders-

HONKHONKHONKHONKHONKHONKHONKHONK,

[icy spruce]

mmm prolly

or it’s just there cause the devs wanted to lmao

[neat flint]

Like us humans we never hear people cheer until we hear the people cheer 💀

[tulip aspen]

there's a lot of things the skykid shouldnt know, or times they shouldnt know what to do

how do they instinctively summon their candle and light things?

1. not everything has to make complete sense
2. they are connected to the Sky on a much deeper level than any other being in the world, so yes while they are a child that knows nothing technically they subconsciously know everything

[bronze mountain]

Knife 2 cryptid confirmed I know there is another user knife here before me

[neat flint]

That's just instinct 💀

[tulip aspen]

specifically, its there because it's supposed to convey to the player the sound of cheering

if you want to headcanon that while the player is hearing cheers the skykid just hears honk spam then that's cool lol (and honestly could make sense)

[sand kite]

111

[bronze mountain]

Flight confirms spirits can do things when we are not reliving their memory. Maybe they come to watch!

[tulip aspen]

222

@bronze mountain does it confirm that tho?

[compact shale]

Skybot forgor to send us the "it's not that deep fam" pic

[sand kite]

hi

[sand kite]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-simpson-good-bye-bye-no-gif-5173989

[bronze mountain]

We see spirits at end of flight come through on boats. We are not reliving them at that time. They come visit the flight spirits! Also technically assembley confirms. The spirits are visible hanging out at the treehouse during the quest line.

Edit: giving thoughts on free acting spirits. Not stuck in one place always while we are not reliving their memory actively.

[tulip aspen]

i did it for them

but with w o r ds

[bronze mountain]

I like to think of spirits doing things around their old homes while skykids explore. Game limitations means we would not see this outside certain cutscenes if it were true. Even if confirmed not canon, I will enjoy my headcanon.

[tulip aspen]

also @bronze mountain damn why did i ask )):

[compact shale]

Sorry, but Knife pal is telling the truth about the Assembly spirits.

Anyhow, what's going on now?

[bronze mountain]

Did I do something wrong?...

[tulip aspen]

nah i just am dumb and shouldn't have asked when it was prolly a spoiler

[icy spruce]

there’s a time loop theory

basically Sky (the world, not including Orbit) is stuck in a time loop (excluding the spirits)

[bronze mountain]

This chat says spoilers on. I thought it was okay, I'm sorry!

[tulip aspen]

bru yes its my fault lol
u did nothing wrong

still cant and won't talk about it yet but that sounds very exciting diamond Minecraft sword

[bronze mountain]

Diamond minecraft sword... New name!

time for new topic then sounds like. Hmm...

City planning of entire golden valley top to bottom? Do you think it was nicer even in lower areas before large darkstone industry arrived? (Artificial darkstone?... I know some have theories of two kinds of darkstone. Naturally occurring and artificially made.)

[icy spruce]

ye, I think it was nicer (even tho it’s low class) since the kingdom is rich

But yknow the fall, buildings destroyed and the gold dulled

[sand kite]

yes

[mystic cosmos]

I found another photo that shows the different classes idk if it’s canon or not. Upper class, village of dreams, and working class?

[icy spruce]

it’s concept arts so there’s a possibility of it being canon and not

anndd Chat Got Krilled

[neat flint]

Chesca, kriller of the chats 💀

[compact shale]

AAAAAAAAAAAAA

[icy spruce]

which is kinda ironic since I’m the host of Chat Got Krilled (which purpose is to revive chats)

[mystic cosmos]

I’m on my way to school. Sorry!

[icy spruce]

oh, focus on ur school then

[bronze mountain]

Falling asleep.
Time for 🛏️

[rigid mural]

Maybe the spirits use the opportunity of the skykid being in a transe to cheer on them !

[hushed steeple]

moving theories from cozy

Honestly all the trees are gray… I wonder if they’re made of stone instead of leaves? And then the bloom trees are a kind of moss? Like a flowering moss growing over the stone?

[distant turtle]

I think you are correct and the trees are stony instead of woody because all the furniture looks like stone. I wonder if Assembly treehouse has any proper wood.

[hushed steeple]

I don’t think so? And the burning things don’t have wood, even the torches/lanterns don’t show would of any kind

Do you think their “wood” is the corrupted plants? It would explain the garden at the ark

[tulip aspen]

the trees seem to have become fossilized by something, most likely the Eden explosion

[hushed steeple]

Eden explosion?

[tulip aspen]

yes, when the Eye of Eden (giant red death crystal) first became fractured

[compact shale]

Can confirm, petrified trees do exist, though IRL they don't form the way you think

[tulip aspen]

yes ik, ive seen plenty of them in my travels lol

they're very pretty

[distant turtle]

In Cozy they are having the discussion about wood vs stone too right now.

[hushed steeple]

That’s where I came from lol

[hushed steeple]

My two cents: I love the clop-clop sound a Skykid's feet make against the trees in Forest But it's not a sound you would expect to hear from boots+wood

But in period dramas, I've heard a similar sound from shoes against stones

[hushed steeple]

I have a cursed theory. Valley pants has no actual shoes. Yet everyone who wears them npc wise has cool boots........what if the NPCs cool boots are actually just part of their skin.

[covert leaf]

spray on shoes

[willow prawn]

No

That was a bad idea on the movie and it's a bad idea in Sky

But I find curious anyways that all the default pants have ballerina flats but our kids don't wear them. It does feel independent

[frigid tinsel]

Tbf skykids are barefoot until they get seasonal outfits and their footsteps still make clop clop sounds, so their feet must be very hardy

[ocean tiger]

little clay legs and feet

[knotty sand]

Unoffical Sky Lore ^^
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1-ASAYYQhdFSGrTwuqIIX5-NW78PT6Vd1k89-TdNtccE/edit?usp=sharing
(the slides are a wip)

[hushed steeple]

They got lil toothpick legs but can withstand blimeny rockstorm

[hushed steeple]

VERONICA

Skykids are hardcore

Well technically they're Light-core but um

[frigid tinsel]

Light hard core

[knotty sand]

YES

[twilit blade]

Skykids walking on "wood" is pure ASMR

[hushed steeple]

Absolutely

I want a track in Sky made of that material so that I can run endlessly on it

[knotty sand]

i finished the slides! ^^

[rigid mural]

stepping on the prairie pots sound >>>

[hushed steeple]

Actually that sound stresses me out
Also when a Skykid steps on anything metallic, like the golden things at Geyser for example

That just makes me wanna mute my sound

[tulip aspen]

y e s

aaaaaaaand
on metallic surfaces it sounds like stone on cooper

AAAAAAAAAAND
on ice, we slide and scrape, which shouldnt be possible with ancient lookin shoes, boots, or bare feet

we are not biological people

[knotty sand]

We are made of light, have no known face under our masks, and can fly with a cape-

[frigid tinsel]

skykids do seem to have been made of some tangible physical material that forms the base of their bodies – hence why people speak of clay or some other earthen material – and that's what is scraping against ice or tap-tapping on stone and wood

my working theory on the composition of a skykid (repost w/ some edits)
—clothing, hair, masks & other cosmetics made of light
—a physical shell made of some magic-induced earthen material (i.e. clay)
—hollow insides full of light, such as winged light
—their flame, manifesting as their red candle & the light in their chest
—their soul

[hushed steeple]

Something you might wanna add: they illuminate a small area around them when there is darkness

People cast shadows. Skykids cast light.

[frigid tinsel]

hmm, if their clothing is made of light and not tangible, then even if skykids are "wearing" boots, the boots are made of intangible light, so they're still scrapping their bare feet across ice and stone, hence the noise

[tulip aspen]

exactly guys, amazing work

[robust flare]

When barefoot, based on concept art they are made of charcoal. So. Anyone have some charcoal?

[tulip aspen]

no, that's the elders

might make a full body study not sure yet

[robust flare]

I think the skykids are too? Since they come from the elders

[tulip aspen]

it's never said they come from the elders lol

it's much more likely they fall from the Sky, as... shown in the game

[robust flare]

It says in the concept art that Tom Zhao made. Granted that could have changed since it was a while ago

[tulip aspen]

it doesnt really, just about every being's relation to light and dark and where they fall on that kind of spectrum

[robust flare]

I think both could be true. Something about how the light is formed. I have wondered if light gets trapped in rock, which keeps growing. Perhaps some of the elders rock or light mixed with creature light

[tulip aspen]

it seems that, though we were pure beings of Light when we fell from the Sky, our skykids instantly formed shells the moment we land in Isle

[robust flare]

I guess I was thinking of this image. It doesn't outwardly say it's charcoal, just my assumption https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5cf9836e9d1c5200018df596/1582059251784-DS6YZWVQEK2P1D153E6S/086_Sky.jpg?format=1500w

[frigid tinsel]

hmm, it says "ash"
not charcoal but similar. very interesting

[robust flare]

I think I also watched a video where a dev said that we aren't the same species or different species from the ancestors

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5cf9836e9d1c5200018df596/1582059244652-B6AJN905TZ5H31P5FLJF/069_Sky.jpg?format=1500w https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5cf9836e9d1c5200018df596/1582059333396-J2R73XORW6MD06NBPQ12/115_Sky.jpg?format=1500w

[tulip aspen]

exactly, because there's no 'species' just beings of Light, but from different generations

[robust flare]

There's also these which describe ancestors bodies and creatures' bones being made of charcoal (Idk what "matte" charcoal is)

[frigid tinsel]

yknow, charcoal and ash glow orange when still burning, like skykids do when they're recharging. I have pics of that somewhere

[robust flare]

I feel like maybe this is kind of an evolution argument. Like, with dinosaurs and birds there was no clear line between dinosaurs and birds; birds are dinosaurs

[tulip aspen]

mm

[robust flare]

I do think there could be different types of light though. Regular vs winged. But I'm not sure what changes in the light to make it winged

[tulip aspen]

winged light is just the power of the imprints added with the special blessing the Sky gave to us descendants

how exactly and explicitly that plays out; we'll never fully know

[robust flare]

I think my gears are turning now. I think I need to look into blessings more because they likely play a huge role

[frigid tinsel]

Winged light may be imprints of previous skykids (given they’re shaped like skykids) that grant additional power to living skykids who collect it.

[frigid tinsel]

See: purple and green capes glowing bright yellow-orange

[tulip aspen]

oh no
when i said blessing i didn't mean the ancestor's spells or anything @robust flare

just that the Sky blessed the skykid with many more powers than the ancestors ever had

[tulip aspen]

woah thats actually an interesting point

[frigid tinsel]

Sky/Megabird may have manufactured skykids to be able to use those imprints

[robust flare]

I think it's possible that the spells are a similar process. The ancestors pray, blessings fall, the blessings are turned into spells (based on ark murals)

[frigid tinsel]

Addendum: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/632004389137154048/916107449038168084/image2.png

[tulip aspen]

oh wow

that's really good

[mystic cosmos]

|| I always thought that Winged light had something to do with the children we see in Eden.||

[tulip aspen]

they might, but we still know literally nothing about the Imprints

[frigid tinsel]

they're the first wave of skykids or just every skykid* who dies (and continues to die) in Eden. When they die, they may shed some part of themselves that, when flung out by the storm, materializes into winged light. It could also be the winged light that is lost in Eden (and elsewhere) that isn't given to a skykid

*my headcanon is that skykids who die in Eden become new statues in place of the ones they revive. Until someone else gives them winged light, they stay petrified in darkness (conscious or not) as statues. For gameplay purposes, in-game we have the same 64(?) statues in the same place and, after dying in Eden, are immediately conscious in "the pity room," but in-universe they may have been unconscious for who knows how long. It's not like you know how long you were unconscious while unconscious.

[crimson cosmos]

This is my theory too!! We’ve never jumped into this channel before but we’ve had this one for a while. ✨-Fae

[tulip aspen]

ye p sure fruity or someone else has always said that as well

its definitely a popular one

[compact shale]

❕

[frigid tinsel]

we bantered about the angst potential

[compact shale]

Yep it's pretty darn angsty

What do YOU think, Jam?

[tulip aspen]

i don't like it

[compact shale]

Well, little canonchaser, so what do you think is happening in Eden?

[hushed steeple]

FIRE PEOPHET
YYYYEEEEEIIIPEEEEE

[hot bane]

since season of the little prince isn't technically canon but the seasonal area is, does that mean...

[sharp lichen]

Wait, it isn’t?

[frigid tinsel]

it's debatable what's canon and what's not given that season was a crossover with a lot of copyright shenanigans

[lyric isle]

that meme's pretty close to several of my headcanons, makes it better

[compact shale]

Did SoTLP start a lore war?

[frigid tinsel]

lore war

i heard that something about Eden was changed with the launch of The Little Prince season but idk how to corroborate that

[hushed steeple]

I know TLP has a special statue pose in eden. Other than that I can’t think of anything. Aside seeing it in purple too

[tulip aspen]

i have no clue

when i say winged light is obscure im connecting winged light to the statues and everything

because the statues are literally just a gameplay mechanic

they mean little to me, all we can do regarding them is make headcanons and unfounded theories

[compact shale]

There was a time in Light Awaits when you had to sacrifice your emotes instead of your winged light

[tulip aspen]

wth

[harsh pecan]

Thankfully things are different now…

[tulip aspen]

not thankfully

itd make a lot of sense

[hushed steeple]

THANKFULLY.

One of the things says “deliver light” so losing glowboys makes sense now. Forgetting memories is odder.

[tulip aspen]

"maybe it's like a place of exile
a prison

people were sent there due to the war or because they refused to ascend, and the massive amount of mindmelding hologram crystals buried underneath the sands of that land form massive architectures around them, leaving them trapped in their problems forever

or maybe it wasn't a purposeful prison and just an accidental no-man's-land, but crystals nearby underneath or from the vault just had that effect on people who were unfortunate enough to wander into that land, and it has that same effect i just mentioned

i dont think the others have to be "real"
maybe the illusions also change their clothes/(forms?)

the king is just some lord of a small area who maybe was too prideful and bossy but never learned and was kicked out, the narcissist is just some ancestor who (could have been an actor but that's unneeded info) got too arrogant and full of himself

the trader could also definitely be real too, i dont see why not"

////////
it could still reasonably a canon place while avoiding infringing

[harsh pecan]

But imagine having to relive all those spirits again, and what would the Eden statues even do with emotes??

[compact shale]

Don't ask me ask the actual Light Awaits veterans because I have no damn idea

[hushed steeple]

Statue kid: “please spare us a light?”

Living skykid: “heres how to laugh”

Statue kid: “:|”

[harsh pecan]

Lmaoo

[hushed steeple]

But yeah honestly in the context of LA the spirits where repped by their emote, so you where prolly taking the spirit up, through eden, in the form of emotes or something. Cause the ones you had left when you reached the end where saved for good.

[tulip aspen]

well my reason for wanting us to have to do that is more of a gameplay reason than a lore reason

every time we reincarnate it should actually feel like we're restarting, a lot more than it does with just recollecting wl anyhows

i think losing emotes upon death would be beautiful and meaningful, and it could be balanced and worth it if we actually are given like much much much more statues to save (more AC to earn)

[harsh pecan]

Ohhh ok

[hushed steeple]

Bro the people who quit now after eden woulda been so much worse. OH GEEZ IMAGINE DISMISS AND DONT GO EVWRY TIME YOU EDEN

[compact shale]

More reincarnations = more suffering

[tulip aspen]

maybe theyd be worth like 8x more AC

[hushed steeple]

Well in LA you actually kept emotes you got through eden permanently

Maybe you where the ones carrying spirits through eden. Lazy punks >:/

[compact shale]

Have any of yall witnessed a lore war?

[frigid tinsel]

what mind-melding hologram crystals are you talking about?

[hushed steeple]

Not really....? People who insist on an interpretation to the point of trying to correct others.....I have’t really seen.

[tulip aspen]

thank goodness amirite

@frigid tinsel akin to the elevator crystal inside vault creating the floor 3 4 5 6 illusions

[frigid tinsel]

that's possibly some form of a power diamond. whatever it is, why would it be the cause of what we see in the Vault? or even that there's more under the Starlight Desert?

[hushed steeple]

Unless you mean the war in GW lore. Still wondering if it was diamonds vs sun who then both joined against krill. Or diamond vs sun and light creatures helped them before dying and afterward becoming krill.

[willow prawn]

Please ask in #screenshots-and-videos or #seasons-events-chat !

[frigid tinsel]

"ah yea the lore channel, the perfect place to get an outfit request fulfilled"

[rigid mural]

I like to think the winged lights symbolize our hopes, dreams, strengths and stubbornness in the face of death.

So losing winged lights = losing hope, strenght and will
Giving winged lights = giving hope to others, your legacy being how much strength you showed through what you endured, inspiring others to take wing once more

_ _
Most places you find winged light in are rather scenic or emotionally charged, perhaps they're like memories of the places you visited that you take with you.

Maybe "returning light to the fallen" means rekindling their hope and helping them move on ?

In a way, they would be part of you like memories; the winged light awaiting you at the end of a tunnel in the wind paths being a joyful memory, the melancholy of the winged light found by the tar pit in the wastelands, the excitement felt during the races for one found while sliding, the wonder in the sunny forest... and the sense of impending doom from the winged lights in Eden.

You've been through it all and you're still standing, those experiences are part of you, and you're giving them to others so they may find the strength to soar back to the stars.

[willow prawn]

Sometimes it's not about the lore being scientifically correct, it's about the emotions it evokes

And I'm definitely taking this headcanon with me from now on, thank you it's really beautiful

[tulip aspen]

oh no it's definitely a diamond but it also definitely is an illusion that connects to your mind just like the illusions we see connecting to the minds of the ancestors and the Elder in the mural

[compact shale]

I mean, Sky has its own physics and science, and- *diamond explodes in face

[tulip aspen]

absolutely, that was beautiful @rigid mural

and honestly I'd much prefer that as the answer so what they are rather than them be an imprint of some ancient child of the Light, they are just an imprint, a window forward, to the determination we need to complete our mission

[sharp lichen]

Ooh, I like this theory a lot!

[compact shale]

There's a theory that the winged light are skykids who gave up before finishing the journey. Don't ask me more, I forgot most of it.

[rigid mural]

Them being imprints of children of light wouldn't deny the theory either; they could be like paths made by enough people walking on the same way, in which all the visits only further cements their presence here.

[tulip aspen]

that's another popular common one.
I've seen it a thousand times over because it's easily implied and easily assumed

[compact shale]

I think I saw it on YouTube lmao.

[waxen crypt]

||can someone please tell me what’s the point of eden? Like not the part for ascended candles, I mean for lore ||

[frigid tinsel]

Returning “the light of the fallen” so they can ascend

[compact shale]

Some say that the "fallen" are fellow skykids, waiting for your light... alas, if that was the case, then it's a futile cycle, as there will still be at least one skykid who still needs to be saved.

[fringe hare]

I know the theme of it is the death/rebirth stage of life. ||there’s a poster board in office, labeling the levels to corresponding seasons of life. with Eden being labeled death/rebirth||

But yeah as far as the game tells us, it’s our time to return the light to our fallen friends and reconnect the realms along the way.. that being said there’s a lot of room for interpretation ^.^

[harsh pecan]

Yes, literally

[compact shale]

could you tell me the cause in the DMs?

[fringe hare]

I’m pretty curious too 😂

[harsh pecan]

Sure I’ll dm it to both of you

[fringe hare]

Thanks!

[hushed steeple]

I kinda want to know too....

[fringe hare]

If I understood I’d try to explain 😂 seems pretty intense

[hushed steeple]

Guess I’ll wait, I want to see if my guess is correct...

[frigid tinsel]

[fringe hare]

What’s your guess? O.o

[hushed steeple]

Someone from last year

[fringe hare]

Ahh, no idea.

[hushed steeple]

All in all, its easier to dream up a new sky where everything you prefer is canon then look for canon reasons to be correct. I can have animal elders be ancient lost elder powers if I want its, complete, kamconian, canon.

[fringe hare]

Haha absolutely ✨

[harsh pecan]

I’ll dm it

[tulip aspen]

me too pls 👉 👈

[tulip aspen]

its one thing to find evidence towards a theory being correct, it's another thing to have a theory have no possible way to be debunked

that's when i consider a possible outcome is concrete

[jovial nacelle]

hi hi i'm trying to make a lore vid about the history of sky- Anything I should know?

[fringe hare]

The history in terms of lore.. or like sky as a video game ?

[jovial nacelle]

The history in terms of lore to confirm-

[tulip aspen]

confirm what exactly?
we'd have to know the contents of your vid, i suppose

[distant turtle]

They are actually one of the only things that is clearly defined in game

[jovial nacelle]

I meant "confirm" to clarify your question on which type of history I'll be doing.

Also, the vid is going to be about the elders, us, king, eden etc.

[tulip aspen]

how so lol

the imagery is strong emotionally but there is no detail and any instructional line regarding the statues in game is vague

[jovial nacelle]

I feel like the Winged light is something more, it could be remains of the children who once tried to ascend to eden, but their inner light ended up being lost and could not return because of the darkness that engulfs Eden.

[hushed steeple]

Theres a semi outdated lore doc. So far, without going into exact sources, we know the stars fell, skykids are made to return the stars as the next generation. The kingdom overused a “darkstone” substance used by the Prince/King, who is still in the story of the game but up to interpretation. Ancestors traveled to isle, it used to be a grassland, not a desert, and krills are corrupted.

Theres a lot more but its not solid. Stuff like migrating to eden for rebirth or megabird or prophecy murals or prince reincarnation theory. Or the purpose of each realm before the fall. Or crabs, or diamond production or (continues for 3 hours)

[distant turtle]

Return the light of the fallen. The player becomes one at the end. And then the player rises from one along with others and they all join hands and go to Orbit. The statues are sky kids.

[jovial nacelle]

Hm..

[wicked pumice]

I just noticed something about the time in Sky for the realms and the Home. Is it just Home that we able to see the changing time like Day, Night and etc? I suddenly thought maybe the realms were stuck in the past time and we kinda like time travel back whenever we get into the realms doors. Just a small thought 🤔✨

[fringe hare]

In the cutscene for one of the spirits in prairie, it changes to night time. With a glitch you can spend like 30 seconds in night time prairie. But that’s all I know of at the moment

Oh and I suppose visiting the oob in valley has it become night time so that sort of counts?

[wicked pumice]

Ouh? Which spirit, may I ask?

[fringe hare]

The bell towers, the one with the dock worker. Should be the sweaty one. In the two player door that has some candles in it

[wicked pumice]

Ouhh, I remember which one now. I didnt notice it has a night time cut scene, I should go check it out. Thanks!

[tulip aspen]

true true

i think my frustration doesn't lie with what they are, but rather why

it doesn't connect to the general story of returning spirits at all

[steep prawn]

does the Light Whisperer Cape symbolizes the Elder Bird or a different Creature

[frigid tinsel]

People say it’s a pigeon

[compact shale]

Do pigeons exist in Sky

Wait what are the SkyBirbs even based on-

[frigid tinsel]

They’re just birds /shrug

[jovial nacelle]

Birds?
But since most of the creatures in sky are similar to sea creatures, I suppose flying fish?

[cunning iron]

you mean, flying pancakes

[slow lake]

nods solemnly. flying pancakes

[harsh pecan]

This??

[lusty merlin]

Still thinking about this and the fact that lamed probably created starlight desert for some reason and not only that, made it connect to the wind paths, and the tunnel for starlight desert is very much seen if you go far enough

So like if lamed made starlight desert it rlly puts into perspective of what elders are capable of, and like the elders are currently in a place beyond space and time in their cutscenes so like: do they just have the ability to make pocket dimensions??? Cuz that would explain a lot for why they have their own little areas in their cutscenes

Like yeah let me just casually bend the world to make my own little personal space for me like HELLO???

[compact shale]

Maybe the spirits are manifestations of the things Lamed really hates lol /hj

[tulip aspen]

lolol I've made a full analysis on the pocket dimensions of Sky

they do have actual widescale credibility all throughout the game, i call them the Mindspace/scape

I also made a theory on the starlight desert, but it ties into a much bigger theory regarding power diamonds being able to create illusions in our minds

[tulip aspen]

Here they are, if ya feel like it

Mindscape study
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B5N140v47F1FLuWHHRITYwEiLbptLZQFf0Lph-57XDE/edit?usp=drivesdk

Starlight theory
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1R3aeBfGFIctoDW1GWK-rYLaQZ57vC8dfpYK8RATU8bQ/edit?usp=drivesdk

[compact shale]

aren't you going to add the fact that Slouch is almost definitely real according to Vela's ascension readings?

[tulip aspen]

1. could you possible re-send/remind me about her ascension readings

2. also slouch is basically already implied to be real ||and was implied even before ash said anything|| but yes for the full analysis i should, ill organize the whole doc later anyways

[compact shale]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[tulip aspen]

oh riiiight

that proved slouch knew two specific pre-existing spirits

[lusty merlin]

My goodness this is so interesting to read! I never really thought about it like that until now

[compact shale]

It's 3 but the pic isn't there

wait I made a TLDR of the whole thing here

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[lusty merlin]

This got me thinking… you think in vault when we acend with the elevator that skykids made the illusion of the calming atmosphere in vault cause of what they witnessed in gw?

Like when we reach to top of vault after Lamed’s cutscenes it’s VERY differnt, like what if in reality the vault deteriorated but like sky-kids meditated to give the illusion of or vault being intact

[compact shale]

Why skykids tho? Why wouldn't it be Lamed's creation?

[tulip aspen]

fantastic, thanks

[lusty merlin]

I’m not saying vault was made by skykids but maybe they made the illusion for themselves that vault is the way it is in the game while in reality, it’s probably worse for wear

Like I think one of the devs said they’re wanted to make vault feel like a dream

[tulip aspen]

vault lady could have some influence on the power diamond but we meditate under it and it's brain-damaging radiowaves on our own lolol

[lusty merlin]

Gosh these autocorrects ahhh

[lusty merlin]

But with the meditation theory and all, it can definitely explain why the top of vault after lamed’s cutscene feels like being awoken from a dream or something back into reality

[tulip aspen]

that would actually be very similar to the idea that the valley twins could be the ones making the confetti and cheering illusions when we enter a tiny mindscape to start the race

[lusty merlin]

Aw that’s really sweet now that I think about it

[compact shale]

the Valley Elders are almost as childlike as we are, after all

it could be just as much for their own enjoyment

[lusty merlin]

Imagine they bet on which skykid will win when there’s multiple

[tulip aspen]

if you wanna see more of my research, tac you can save this link, and ill be adding more of my archived analysis and theory books into this doc folder soon

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=1ODQbDWCV3lPLtob_-baBsH1hFI8vQYSp

[lusty merlin]

Oo tysm! I can now fill my brain with more sky theories

[lusty merlin]

little add on to this:
:”the chibi’s gonna win”
:” no they won’t-“
:”yes they will, chibis hold menacing power so they’re gonna win.”

Makes me wonder what the limits of elders making their own little pocket dimensions can go? Like the twins made an entire arena but then you got prarie elder who’s like near the mountain with all this space? Like can the elders create an entire world as another pocket dimension?

Haha imagine if the world were trying to rebuild is a barren waste but the elders are trying to make the illusion of it being okay. (isle was once a grassland) but some of the elders are worse for wear so they didn’t have energy to keep up the illusion: has a broken mask, was using all their energy to protect vault to care about their own world while the other elders had enough energy. Valley didn’t have a single dankness plant while prarie and forest have a lot.
Just a silly goofy idea I had

[rigid mural]

@tulip aspen

My opinion on this is that it only confirms the spirits of starlight desert are based off "real" things and are connected to the world of sky. I saw someone theorise the spirits could be amalgamations of memories too weak to exist by themselves, and the vault magic may have sweeped them together into almost stereotypical characters (so much so they could be from a children's book) to populate that dreamlike area.

On the other hand, I prefer to believe the spirits were once truly living ancestors but these particular memories are just unflattering. We'll see if future seasons will make a LP spirit cameo and prove they are real to the kingdom of Sky...

On which part is real, I like to think the desert itself exists, but the vault's powerful magic conjured the garden, islands and some parts of the second half of the desert. The shipwreck the Star Collector can be found in could be real imo. Keep in mind that while Vault counts as a whole realm, it is much smaller than the previous 5 so Lamed () being able to reach outside of it with their elder magic is reasonable, especially since the spirits of their constellation kinda hint they are magically inclined so...

[compact shale]

Well Slouch's the only one who can be connected to reality with what we have, I personally wouldn't apply the assumption of them being real to all of the other LP spirits just because

Ash may have said something about TLP himself and the area but what about the spirits?

[tulip aspen]

yes in my theory the desert exists, and everything except the shipwreck and maybe the garden are illusions

in my theory these aren't memories at all but rather some kind of painful trap where the worst parts of their inner psyche has manifested as areas and things around them and they are forever trapped in that

fruity is right, the king and possibly the narcissist cannot possibly just be real

[rigid mural]

Canny believe Megan sent them to the shadow realm

[tulip aspen]

ash didn't say anything about the prince tho, just the starlight desert.... right?

[compact shale]

Well this statement is referring to TLP's existence the way I read it

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[tulip aspen]

ah

for the prince himself id like to think it was simply canon but as an odd side story of meeting a fleshy alien from outer space who talks way too much

(i don't see the rose guide as canon however)

~
it's fine to me if he exists cos even if he does technically him existing is irrelevant to whether starlight exists

lorewise, the two aren't connected/related as a topic at all

[tulip aspen]

because i saw/see him as canon, when i first saw him interact with the krill, i was like HAH THEY ONLY ATTACK BEINGS OF LIGHT THEY MUST WANT TO EAT LIGHT I KNEW IT

but since apparently not everyone shares the same opinion as me regarding if he really does exist / if they WANT him to exist, i unfortunately can't use that as a point for my anatomy and CotL generations research

[compact shale]

How does WL affect TLP?

[tulip aspen]

wdym?

ohhhhh

okay yeah saving him in the ending is dumb (as is the bland writing of the entire season)

still, ig u could say the winged light propels him up to orbit for you after burning the darkness off him

[distant turtle]

Actually now I’m more confused because the more statues we light, the more of those short winged light looking kids who wave at us at the end. Are those supposed to be Sky kids or winged light kids or the Prince or who?

As far as the story reason, it’s so we can die in a selfless way

[tulip aspen]

supposedly skykids

i honestly never wanted to think about it but i got outvoted by alasdair and the crew, who i trust the judgement of with their evidence lol

but yeah the statues are skykids

[compact shale]

Yeeyee rocket booster woo /j /lh

[distant turtle]

Most likely, but I wonder if winged light are the same people as the statues. If they aren’t, then maybe those kids who wave at us in orbit are the winged light kids, whoever they are. They look a little different because of their simpler capes.

[harsh pecan]

I think they are, if I remember correctly the number of kids you see in Orbit depends on how much statues you saved (I haven’t been to Eden in months so I might be wrong) Also the simpler capes might just be a stylistic choice, I’m not too sure

[tulip aspen]

the ones who wave at us in Orbit are Stars

they are Children of the Light who have completely and perfectly became one with the Sky again

who they were before they were statues, however, remains to be seen

imprints of the light (collectible winged light) may not be directly tied to the statues however

I prefer Vela's theory about wl

[hushed steeple]

Yawn, stretch, sip coffee, hi lore chat. Im sure statues in eden are other skykids. They used to have your friends names in LA. I guess they figured that was a little too cruel and changed the fake friends to after they already busted out of their stone prisons. And as mune says, I think I do remember the number of shiny skykids in orbit depending on how many you save. Theres even a few theories that you yourself actually lay dormant after you expend your light and the reason you break out is because someone else dropped by and did what you just did for others.

[harsh pecan]

Interesting

[compact shale]

They put the friend names in the orbit shiny bois instead, so the "saving your dead friends" plot interpretation is still barely alive in that way

[icy spruce]

what’s the topic

[compact shale]

Eden something

[icy spruce]

oh okay, Eden is a cheese brand

[icy spruce]

lore chat died from

[pastel brook]

A quick advice from wise ol' Skybot: remember to take a break every once a while and take care of yourselves please, fellow Sky kids

[true grove]

https://pin.it/5vNalKy
👀

[icy spruce]

Cool

[true grove]

Like the Nintendo trailer

[distant turtle]

Maybe the simpler models are just because there are so many kids holding hands when we fly to Orbit. Anybody know if the same models are used for these kids flying and holding hands?

By the way, yes, if you just die and don't save any statues, you only get one kid waving in Orbit.

[boreal nebula]

I wasn't here at the time, but it was a nice analysis of that mapz thx

[distant turtle]

Capes with the normal pleats are used for your friends in Orbit.

[boreal nebula]

Off to a YouTube search 🏃 💨

[twilit blade]

Le Prin

[livid crypt]

TS prices are not announced yet. Any speculation or even screenshots like that maybe be fabricated, or possibly from the China servers, so might not be accurate. They are also not lore-related and there's no point arguing on this topic. Please don't respond further. I will remove this conversation now.

[neat meadow]

in "lore-discussion-spoiler" there is "spoiler" lol in short I remove it.

[frigid tinsel]

Hmm what did I wake up to

[twilit blade]

Le Prin

[livid crypt]

Lore discussion. The "spoiler" part means this channel contains spoilers about the game, not that any spoiler goes here.

[fringe hare]

Wait you also deleted the discussion about the isle caves 😢

[willow pumice]

🥲

[boreal nebula]

I was answering to one of your Cave questions:

If you like it it could be the Prince, after all most of the lore is up to your interpretation, that's why the game was made vauge

As far as we know tho, there are very little concepts canonically confirmed, like the fact that Ancestors (spirits before they died), Elders and Sky Kids being different species

[neat meadow]

mmm okay i apologize then for this error 👍

[jaunty tapir]

Oh no!! This is about the intro yes? I believe a lore chat person has summarized their analysis on it in the form of a doc. Lemme find it for you.

[boreal nebula]

AAAND somehow you even made my previous reply poof

[twilit blade]

To answer your question Cloud, most have speculated that there had been a first batch of skykids (could be the statues) including the Prince whom we see in the murals

[jaunty tapir]

^ I believe this is it? Not sure if it's the most updated one though.

@fringe hare (hope ping is fine) oop, I was supposed to ping Cloud sorry

[boreal nebula]

still not found what I was looking for about IGN exclusive gameplay, but It's always wonderful see how Sky various iteration from LIght Awaits into Children Of The Light

what could have been that yellow corner in the clouds

[jaunty tapir]

prairie caves /j

[livid crypt]

aplogies, here's the on-topic content that was mistakenly removed:
@willow pumice: Question about first cave mural of isle and why did tgc recently changed murals of first cave of isle
Who is the kid at the end of that cave mural, is it prince or is it us skykids?
As far as i know when skykids arrive to sky world there weren’t anyone living in sky world, but in the cave murals we see the period of ancient people and those ancient people celebrate the arrival of that person, so that person cannot be first skykid right? Is it prince then?
@boreal nebula: Recently a dev was here and answered about the change into the intro tunnel was a kind of rewording the intro (as they did over the years). But if you ask me it's not clear if there's a subtle reason to better explain the mystic origin of the Sky kingdom or how we skykid come to live...
Here in Lore we wonder who was the one who call us (sometimes even talk in plural, "united as spirits our light was infinite...")

[frigid tinsel]

There’s prob more to each realm we can’t see yet cos clouds. Wonder what we weren’t supposed to see yet

[willow pumice]

Lets say this mural shows how skykids arrived to sky world, we see skykids came here in human form, but then in second picture we see ancient people carrying orbs to the temple, what are those orbs then? In first cave murals (before developers changed it) we used to see those orbs were dropped from sky to sky world, and my idea was those orbs were skykids and ancient people took us to temple and gave us to isle elder, and isle elder gave us our human form. I think developers should change murals of the second picture too because now it doesn’t make sense, there is a conflict now

[boreal nebula]

WL gifted by shrines

[frigid tinsel]

Except when skykids fall to the ground they wake up in human form.
Not everything that falls from the sky is a skykid

[jaunty tapir]

I just remembered, in one of the Isle spirits' memories, a "child" fell from the Sky.

[twilit blade]

Ahh yes, when Praire immediately leads to Eden XD

[jaunty tapir]

Oooh. So those shrines leading up to pnr must've offered WL too huh? And they changed it to beside the shrines? Doesn't change what we know of lore but eh- haha)

[boreal nebula]

Wait what?

⛩️

Secondary Ending???

from a Pocket Gamer review, as seen in the title I left visible

[true grove]

Every realm used to have portals to home instead of the shrines

[boreal nebula]

PS: in one of the first version of Isle sneak peek (a IGN First), Jenova Chen himself defines our unlit figure of Children of Shadow XD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpgn8U5Ug8M

[hushed steeple]

I bet unlit kids used to be like shadow kids. Since they started like that and see everyone else like that. The “indifferent” kids closer to the ancestor side in the graph.

[fringe hare]

Secondary ending for available for who now ?!

[distant turtle]

I don't know but there's a lot of land beyond it!

[boreal nebula]

Maybe I found the IGN exclusive,

Funny tho how there were 3 more Shrines in Home Space, and how Valley looked like a purple-pink XD

[fringe hare]

@willow pumice I’m inclined to think the first skykid in the mural is us as the main character. The way that it says “and now we call to you” while zooming into that skykid holding a wing, right as we are going to collect our first wing and begin following the call of the temple. Seems like an easy jump to see it as our skykid, the one being chosen to collect and return the light.

[distant turtle]

I think the light orbs are offerings the people would bring on their boats. Like the pointing candle maker spirit memory, and they load up the boats. The orbs in the paintings represent generic offerings of light for the Elders.
Also, like on the boat in the tunnel in Isle. Whether candles, jars, or orbs, the paintings represent some sort of offering of light.

[willow pumice]

I think that orb is the light orb we carry in our chests (because we are children of the light) So i think we didn’t come to sky world in human shape, we came here as a light orb

[boreal nebula]

My search is over

How wonderful it could have been to walk on its polished version. Futuristic Castle

[fringe hare]

Even when we are reborn we crash land as a ball of light, makes sense to me

[twilit blade]

Big castle, I love big castles

[willow pumice]

Yes!

[fringe hare]

Oooou I never thought about those balls of light òwó I’d bet those are the orbs in the mural with the boats. Offerings

[boreal nebula]

mmm, interesting interpretation

A ball of light that can take many forms.. after all in the props kiosk we can take out a wide variety of shapes/instruments

[fringe hare]

You feel like all the props/instruments are made of light?

[jaunty tapir]

Possibly. Since all props, even instruments, disappear when we get extinguished.

[frigid tinsel]

Everything but the skykids’ base body is made of light

[fringe hare]

I’m under the impression their bodies are made of light. We spawn from a falling orb of such

[boreal nebula]

OMG, our stars on the cape were supposed to be three dimensional... spiking out of the cape as those dorsal things on Elder Mantas
Quite like the halo rings of floating emote lvl 2 keep that same shape when you rotate the camera

Still from that IGN showcase between 5:16 and 5:25

[hushed steeple]

The light in your chest is also your candle. I think it represents “reaching out your heart to others”. It vanishes when your candle is out. Since it is the candle.

Stars in game currently sometimes peek off the cape sometimes too :/ I think its just the layering

[fringe hare]

Oooo that’s cool!

[boreal nebula]

Notice the spikes appearing both with and without the cape as background in this 3-star moth

[willow pumice]

Our cape is made of light thats why they don’t have a shadow, but sky kids’ body are made of dark crystal in my theory; when you hit your skykid strong enough to the wall you hear crystal sound, another one is that we need to light other people with our candle to see their actual body not their grey silhouette, the reason we see them as a grey silhouette is simply because they are made of dark crystal, when we offer them a candle and light them we actually activate the dark crystal inside of them which enables us to see their activated dark crystal body, it works similar to other dark crystal mechanism such as doors, we light the crystal of the door with our candle and when dark crystal combined with light it creates enough energy to open doors etc.

[boreal nebula]

Idk why it seems I caught of Pidgey on frame

[willow pumice]

And the light orb in our chests lights our dark crystal body and that how we get enough energy to be able to walk, fly etc

Also when we collect enough wax we turn them into candles for to prevent the dark crystal inside of us to be overpowered, over powered dark crystals turn into red color rather than dark, we see those red dark stones on eden, over powered dark crystal caused eden explosion, we don’t want ourselves to explode too so we turn them into candles

[boreal nebula]

I decided to make a GIF out of it

[lusty merlin]

Imagine if we reached max wl that the spikes stick out more

I would LOVE spikes

[hushed steeple]

Ive seen that happen with current game stars though too

Usually when my cape goes wild in the wind going up the gondola of dreams

But the stars are just overlayed on the cape so they can tilt sometimes

[dense fractal]

i have a theory abt the vault of knowledge and i don't know what to do with these thoughts so I'm dumping them here.

As i was scrolling through concept art for a reference, i noticed that the caption during "7 Days of Sky : Vault of Knowledge" read the following :

"there are many interesting props we designed for the area. Lots of valuable information was stored with the hope that it would be used by future generations"

now this is a bit of a far stretch but hear me out : Power diamonds went through different stages of concept designing but all of them held one specific theme : an orb inside of it. Now, during lightseekers and enchantment, we were asked to collect light that were in the shape of orbs and it got me thinking : could they possibly be rogue orbs that could , potentially, hold a script or a core memory we can relive? Because it bugs me as to why we chase light when seasons are technically past memories, knowing that the physical light sources remained must indicate that they're more than just blobs of light, right? what if they're core memories or something and we're not yet at that advancement where we can read it because the ancestors never taught us / had the time to teach us

this is a very poor theory and it's almost 3 am here forgive me i just had to dump it

also a few more thoughts i need to dump out before i continue lurking :

1.) The spirits we relive highlight turning points in their lives hence why we don't everything in their back story.
e.g The crying emote. It showcased the spirit grieving because his friends were k!lld and he was trapped in a cave && the "come here!" emote where they ushered other spirits to look at the first moth.

2.) Corruption & Darkness plays a part in the reason why we have carry and normal spirits. Since we know that when moths step into dark water, they lost their light, it is possible that the reaction is different to our ancestors because of their biological structure. Now, if we take into account the drunkard's dialogue during TLP, he says "he drinks to forget" and continues saying "He drinks to forget that the forgets" or something in between those lines. It's possible dark water was used as their "drink" and interacting with it could lead to drastic side effects, one may be memory loss . The clearer your memory, the more brighter and vivid your light and movement when moths relive your experience. (Which is why most carry spirits are in GW) Carry spirits require more guidance because of their exposure to darkness and they can't tell where they've been anymore other than a few important memories.

3.) Eden was the aftermath of a natural phenomenon when the stars literally fell and corrupted the land due to their biological behavior. It was due to ancestors continuously farming light for their resources that the kingdom of sky began to be imbalanced. This is why realms are conceptualized through the time of day.

lesser power diamonds/light consumed = the brighter the sky.

this is why Isle-Praire are amongst the brightest areas while GW and Vault are the darkest

[tulip aspen]

but who would ever talk about that boring old intro??

[willow pumice]

@dense fractal

[tulip aspen]

Yepyep, here's the updated version (which will also continue to be updated inside the same link

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FKccfiWSiUAYd2aJZXSNHKX-DL8hRZZh6Io1Y0c52Eo/edit?usp=drivesdk

[tulip aspen]

maybe the real king was the mods who do the best they can all along

[tulip aspen]

Also yes it is lolol

It also is a perfect match of a symbol with the winged light symbol however, so perhaps it's not 'ours' but rather the winged light inside us

[tulip aspen]

amazing point!!!!

[tulip aspen]

indeed

my main analysis, which I'm happy is being more and more accepted, is that they truly are just magical beings of pure Light, but with some kind of hardened shell over them as a vessel, as we see in the cinematic trailer for the switch launch

the hardened shell only seems to appear just as they crash into the earth, so the Light that makes up their bodies may just soak in the clay dirt and stone around it and create a shell to protect itself

a further theory however is that even the skykid's clothes and hair are made of Light (skykids are players, ancestors may not have had clothes made of Light)

the clothes and cosmetics on us are just projections our Light creates around our bodies

[dense fractal]

oh wow!! thank you for this!!

[dense fractal]

i agree with this! we're basically empty vessels that carry lost souls home. since we are made of light, that gives us the power to manipulate the light around us (in our terms, honking and flying)

[hushed steeple]

No I want to watch the elder dance party all the way through every day

[lyric isle]

hi
do you mind me rambling about LP headcanons? I have a lot of ideas to unpack, and discuss and debate with you all

will in a bit, hang on

[willow prawn]

Oh, oh! Btw!!

Was taking a shortcut in Assembly and noticed these symbols in the jar. What's that?

[lyric isle]

…huh
first thing I thought of was a fermata

[willow prawn]

Whats that?