lore-discussion-spoilers

[hushed steeple]

There is actual evidence skykids have preexisting emotions though. Intimidation in forest cutscene, approval in isle cutscene, curiosity, and trying to hit the flame ball. Heck during development they even had a skykid with fully modeled face, but didn’t want to expression to contradict the players feelings. Thats the only reason skykids have o-o faces that some may think look unemotional.

[hollow wadi]

Hey, quick shower thought..
What if....

|| Eden elder/ruler died due to a destabilising in the temple, we see it all destroyed due to the elders death, this launched orbit into the sky and released an inescapable loop of life and rebirth, due to this the temple was blown sky-high and due to an imbalance in forces of nature and ruins of the elder, Krills, shadows and Crabs formed from the decaying corpse. The elders and spirits of the realms trapped the shadows in the fire trial as a needs to prevent destruction. Edens paradise became a living hell due to the elders death and because of this all the creatures that lives there became corrupted. The elders of the realms sealed off golden Wasteland in an attempt to prevent krills escaping into the living worlds. Now with a destabilising of the wind tunnels all the hard work that's been put over centuries and over a long period of peace, chaos is spreading unless we all act fast to prevent the corruption of the world?||

I just let my mind run into theorising this just now-

[compact shale]

Oh, and I think I need to clarify a few things:

The "Distraction Theory" was never going to synergize with your project. It was doomed to fail from the start.

1. The original iteration (not the one I gave you) assumes that Megabird exists, while your Project does not
2. You have never liked this theory, even from the original iteration.
3. I've said before that Last Wish and Distraction counter each other. Take what you will from my theories, but those two were never meant to exist in the same universe.

That being said, I am quite glad that "Last Wish" is synergizing well with your Project.

[tulip aspen]

my project is supposed to leave the blanks available, but the goal of it is to imply the 'template' is a lot more solid than we have always called it as

the way we've always seen it was that it was a cloud of sheer uncertainty, with some solid places to stand amongst the uncertainty (oh my mega, it's water trial )

but i think, with the explanation my project should provide, it's an actual story, with holes meant to be unknown on purpose, such as why everyone is dead, what the Eye of Eden is, who the king or prince actually were, why spirits died

i expect and hope people can still easily make theories, placing ideas into those holes that are intentionally left unanswered by TGC

so Distraction can 'exist' if it wants lolol

[compact shale]

Of course it will still exist. It can stay alive now that it's getting more acknowledgement. (The true first occurence of this theory was last year, but it didn't get enough acknowledgement and died soon after.)
Speaking of the project, is there anything new?

[thin dirge]

Oh yeah, about the conversation earlier about Sky kids not having emotions, its clear they DO have emotions.
For example, they wont stop looking at the Winged Light which shows they have curiosity in their behaviour. Their emotions become more much more clear to the player right when you enter Eden, because of certain default actions that the skid does in Eden.
When your sky kid enters Eden, they automatically brace themselves (and their light) in the storm. You could say that its just wind, but once you get to the second area and beyond, they become stance-locked into a hunched position. Its not clear because of the cape, but if you look under the cape, you'll see the skid is hunched over. You are unable to change the stance at all. Its also in this stance that the skid stops looking at the Winged Light. Yeah, try to go through the hall before the end of no return and compare it to how they are towards Winged Light in other areas. They don't look at them anymore. Something has changed, and its clearly because of emotions.
Another sign is how the skid, also starts reach out when they die, trying to continue, also showing how they're desperate.

Sky kids do indeed feel emotions and always have. Like what ppl said above, they just didn't know how to express it. Our emotes are called "expressions" in the first place!

[abstract wasp]

I never realized there was a small constellation like under this spirit

[vernal cliff]

drops in I just wanna add, idk if it's more of a feeling than an expression but the little shiver they do sometimes when idle in the forest's rain drops out

[vernal cliff]

Yeah there's a few constellations like that scattered here and there, forgot what they're leftovers from tho

[compact shale]

Hah, never realized that, it's hella subtle

Thing is, I am kind of scared of the Distraction Theory. Not by itself, but the possibility of it being true. Because if it is, then the Sky world is more broken than we think because not even God is truly benevolent.

[hushed steeple]

I don’t see a need for spoiler, huummm hope its ok if I just mention some of the points you made. I like the idea that it was actually his death that blew eden up. Like the actual deaths of stars when they explode. Although....krill are seen in early timeline murals back when he was little and nice. The idea a dying elder in itself is a catastrophic event, well its fascinating, I kinda like that.

[tender canyon]

aanyone know the names of the elders? and their base personality if possible-?

[icy spruce]

evil kaughter

Isle: Daleth
Prairie: Ayin
Forest: Teth
Valley: Samekh (both share the name)
GW: Tsadi
Vault: Lamed

Prince: Alef
King: Resh

[tender canyon]

oooh thamk! no news abt how they act? ;w;
ngl i didnt know the twin elders shared names-

[compact shale]

Well, the names aren't canon anymore but if you take a look at what each name means it can say quite a bit~~~

[icy spruce]

Ye, there’s a lot of misinfo of them being Alef and Daleth

Also, their names are from hebrew letters that has meanings soo there’s that

I have the translation, wait the cooldown’s so slow

[tender canyon]

ooooh
i’ll try looking into them ;u;
lmaoo yh long cooldowns

[icy spruce]

Sorry if its low quality

[compact shale]

it's so that people actually have time to read all the stuff

so fledgling theories don't die as soon as they're created because the flood of messages caused people not to notice them

[tender canyon]

ooooh

i saw this while looking around a bit more, is this about as accurate as it can get? :3

[frigid tinsel]

To add to this, when the skykids pull winged light from themselves to give to the statues in Eden, it looks like they struggle and it hurts to do so. That’s the hardest part of Eden for me

[compact shale]

I think the hardest part of Eden for me is that those statues could be the friends you made.

[abstract wasp]

anyone?👉🏼👈🏼 Does it mean something?

[icy spruce]

Bault

also, in Teth’s concept art she’s supposed to uhh seduce the player so maybe that’s why

[compact shale]

Yeah, they were gonna trap you and ummm 😳 you know what idk what they were thinking

[icy spruce]

well, it’s more of the famiky-friendly seduced thing like ‘hey kid, wants some can di e s’ but ok

[compact shale]

imagine forest mama but with the whole damn van

[icy spruce]

Lmao

[gilded spoke]

hello other shenhe pfp

[icy spruce]

why hello there, how long have you been waiting for Shenhe other Shenhe pfp?

facts ⬇️

[gilded spoke]

just saw her and she hot

[frigid tinsel]

I know in game that we get revitalized soon after dying in Eden, but I don't think that is instantaneous. Perhaps it is for us simply because of gameplay. But for the skykid? How long are do they stand their petrified in Eden before someone else gives them winged light to free them? Are they conscious the whole time? Or are they not and that's why we fall into the dark space instantly after dying, because you don't experience the passage of time when unconscious, so it just seems like you wake up?

How long were they petrified in Eden between dying and ascending (and rebirth)? Someone would have to give their petrified statue winged light to awaken them. How long is this wait between dying in Eden and another skykid coming by to die so you could be reborn? then another skykid has to go and awaken that skykid but also dies and waits petrified and so on and so on.

I picture skykids getting petrified in Eden, ascending, being reborn, and finding out that days or a week or even a month has passed since they went to Eden.

[compact shale]

(it's a template because I have no Sky OCs)

Template story of 5 skykids and Eden.
A: It's been 6 days since we got reborn. Poor E, they sacrificed themselves for all of us...
B: 6 days? That means that no one has found their statue and given winged light to them, huh?
C: Someone's gotta save them soon, or else their statue will crumble to dust on the 7th day, and we'll have no way to reach them!
A: We can't just all come! That would just be a horrible cycle!
B: Alright, so... who has the most winged light out of all of us?
D: Oh...
C: Good luck, D.
*group hug

[frigid tinsel]

it's a futile cycle, isn't it? cos even if one skykid had enough winged light to revitalize all the statues currently past the point of no return – which isn't possible because they're hemorrhaging winged light thanks to the onslaught from the environment – that skykid is petrified and has to be saved now, meaning someone has to die for them.

[compact shale]

And that is the hardest part of Eden for me.

[frigid tinsel]

one of my skykid OCs (I only have 2) has a guilty complex where they feel bad for collecting winged light cos they know that there are fellow skykids in Eden who need it to ascend and be reborn yet nonetheless having a lot of winged light feels good to have. They used to frequent Eden very often

In my headcanon, technically skykids only need one winged light to live but they become more powerful the move they have

[harsh pecan]

I think you can tell why their personalities are by watching their cutscenes, other than that, nope

[rigid mural]

The twins are said to like salt and pepper on their apple slices.

[icy spruce]

I mean, I get salt but pepper? Wha t

[compact shale]

how do you understand salted apples

also Vela where did you get this from

[icy spruce]

Salted apples tastes good dunno with salt andnpper

[compact shale]

why did you try salted apples

how desperate are you

[icy spruce]

I like salty things ig and I don’t add a lot of salt

[jovial nacelle]

hi hi

[harsh pecan]

Hii

[tender canyon]

gonna specifically add that in on their headcannon part just because

[tender canyon]

murmurs sadly after skipping their cutscenes
gonna get back on my switch and visit each elder ig

[twilit blade]

Just to be sure, you can only get petrified/turned into a statue on PnR, right? Or does it also apply when you simply lose all your wings on a normal realm?

[neat flint]

Yes iirc

[boreal bane]

i had an idea, what if the seasonal areas opening up every couple months are actually tasks sent to the sky kids so that they can restore certain parts of the kingdom and help groups of spirits in spots that were previously covered in clouds

for example, the entrance to the wind paths was opened up so that sky kids can repair the paths and free the spirits

[jovial nacelle]

you know, I feel like the Season of Flight was a preparation for the next season that will be Lore-packed. Who knows, we might learn more about the elders, king and prince and stuff in the past

[compact shale]

Hmmm... story arcs over 2 consecutive seasons would be cool, but I doubt that would happen because then moths of the next season would be absolutely clueless as to what is going on for the next season

Yeah seasons might have to stay standalone for now

[pastel brook]

A "moth" is a new player. They have brown wings, they flap around uncontrollably, and they are drawn to flame!

[jovial nacelle]

hm...

[harsh pecan]

Hopefully…

[harsh pecan]

Sky bot’s appetite tho-

[tulip aspen]

lmao i see no possiblity in it, but i just don't like being rude

[harsh pecan]

Ofc Megabird isn’t truly benevolent

[compact shale]

Fair enough, now what...

Do you think there's any way to have a story spanning 2 seasons without moths of the second season going "WHAT THE HONK IS GOING ON"

[harsh pecan]

I think there are sequels that are easy to understand even if you’ve never watched the first one, maybe they change the chars but still have the old ones show up and affect the plot or something

Also a lot of the people I’ve met didn’t know there were seasons when they were moths so….

[compact shale]

Can you give me an example? I can't recall any myself

[upbeat rampart]

Just pointing it out since I did pnr from my sib's account: is it just me or do you die longer at the first pnr run and then it gets more instantaneous after?
It's like your body is getting adjusted to the rocks again

[tulip aspen]

I think it's perfectly possible and reasonable to write a story in a way that isn't confusing to moths lmao

[harsh pecan]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I forgot

[compact shale]

Ok but what I mean is a story that spans 2 seasons (as opposed to each season being a standalone, 2 seasons have stories directly connected to each other)

[harsh pecan]

Oh no it got deleted cause I said the word

[nimble ingot]

It would be interesting to have a 2-part season, except the second part would require that the player have a high wl count. The reason for that is the winged light amount determines how far the player progressed through the game, which is similar to the eden gate with a 20 winged light requirement.

It would not be intended to exclude the moths, but instead give them a taste of what is coming. While the experienced players are able to enjoy the challenge without worrying about a new player getting caught in the cross fire.

[pastel brook]

A "moth" is a new player. They have brown wings, they flap around uncontrollably, and they are drawn to flame!

[harsh pecan]

we know

[hexed elk]

-reaches the end of the last quest- THAT'S not ominous at all

[upbeat rampart]

I just wish for a two season stuff as well where the first shows downfall and another as "fixing" it somewhat. It could add onto some crucial knowledge for skykids about how to properly solve a problem perhaps

[harsh pecan]

That could work

[nimble ingot]

I know it would mean part of the player base would be excluded, however it is inevitable.
There will come a point where the game either has to consider the new players and dumb down the experience, or cater to the experienced players and drop the others in deep water.

Trying to satisfy both is a balancing act and one that can either work for both sides, or fall apart at the seams.

So far, the season do not disappoint in regards to content and story telling. So it is neither here or there, tbh.

[harsh pecan]

True

[nimble ingot]

here is a fun fact.
Granny can change her voice!
So far, I have seen her chirp with a bird call, talk with the human call, and honk with a manta call even.

I am testing to see if she can do a crab one, or a jelly call. Which can either prove that granny knows more than one language, or she is just imitating the skykids.
Either way, this spirit is full of surprises 🙂

[upbeat rampart]

Also, a random question, if all spirits can do chuckle, express happiness, sadness, etc, then why do you get emotes only from certain spirits?

Are those emotes their last...feelings? Idk, that's what suddenly occurred when I saw grandma
(but then that would mean Yeti could have died after the bearhug, not sure of that part)

[compact shale]

Hm, I've heard they imitate honks.

Headcanon: I think it's that thing when you say "grangran I have a new cape!" and then they say "ohhh you have a new grape?"

@upbeat rampart It could be their most prominent/distinctive emotion, just as how their memory might not necessarily be their last one before dying, but their most profound one

[tulip aspen]

continuity doesn't necessarily have to be a buildup, fruity

in fact, lore about Sky would be a form of "post-story" writing

much like (the ORIGINAL, huge anti hyrule warriors bias lolol) breath of the wild's story, we are presented with a story that has already happened, and has had it's own rising tension, falling action, and climax

these stories make you feel distant and alone, because you (revived link or the skykid) are not a part of that story, yet that ghostly past is what makes up and narrates the environment that story left for you to explore long after

just like in the ORIGINAL story, there was so much we didnt know about what went down, and why everything went so horribly wrong

we hear only hear and see tidbits, and have to imagine the rest

we can come to a conclusion about what happened, and that conclusion often will define what our character is canonically doing in this "post-story" world

in botw, we understand link and the champions lost, because the world ending event happened due to the guardians suddenly being controlled by ganon, and after we wake up we have to finish the job and defeat ganon

in sky, we understand a kingdom semi-endorsed by a greater being above was destroyed by some giant crystal that spouts darkness, and the skykid is sent by the greater being to collect the souls of the kingdom's people and return them home

we didnt know much details about the champions, the sheika, the yiga, and the divine beasts, but they sure teased info on a lot of those mentioned things via short unassuming and moreso cinematic cutscenes

the lack of information leaves us wanting more, filling in the blanks

that's extremely prevalent in Sky, too

they cant "add" lore, fruity
they can only fill in empty blanks for us

[nimble ingot]

The spirits have become more and more animated and expressive.
It may not be the case with the ancestors are like the skykids and have to learn an expression to imitate it.

The emotes a spirit gives in their memory might be linked to a meaningful moment in their lives that they are holding on to. And the skykid is mostly picking up the emote itself, and not the context the emote took place in.
Emotes for a skykid, are expressions they learn over time and that lets them develop a personality and character growth/development. A skykid starts out with no expressions, so they are like a blank slate. Then as the player collects more spirit emotes, the skykid develops a personality based on the emotes the player uses.

[tulip aspen]

its not their last feelings lol, its just something particularly characteristic of them, and sharing that with you seems to help them ascend

[compact shale]

I like to think that it gives you the best idea of who they are, which definitely helps you find out what their "Last Wish" is

Oh here's a theory created during a "damn you eyesight" moment that fits in with Last Wish (wait a minute...)
#cozy-sky-discussion message

[twilit blade]

Interesting. So it is in Tearful Lightminer's characteristic to be always down in the dumps ?

[upbeat rampart]

That makes sense, thank you Raider! (you as well, Jam and Fruity)

I was just wondering if Tearful Lightminer died there as they cried or if Chuckle died from the polluted water.

[compact shale]

Well, the expression could also be related to their prominent memory. In Tearful's case, their most prominent memory HAPPENS TO be one of their last. I guess their life was pretty ordinary before then.

[tulip aspen]

who knows

perhaps it was more subtle; she was just very negative about everything

[upbeat rampart]

Apparently so, maybe that was their most strongest emotional moment, with their happiness being minimal due to mining and nothing significantly positive happening

(I have a feeling that this explains how those in Forest worked)

[twilit blade]

In that case Tearful's angst backstory just became even sadder better :'D

[nimble ingot]

There is one way to prove the memory of a spirit is not their last.

In season of Dreams, each spirit memory involved the spirit interacting with the skater girl. If the spirits were to die after the memory took place, then they would not have been present for the skater girl's big performance.
Same applies to spirits appearing in other spirit memories. Their memories may necessarily meant it is their last memory, though the memory alone is not enough to determine when and how a specific spirit died.

I know the fainting spirit may most likely have not lived long after his memory, though the memory may not outright prove him dying. Especially how he appears in the slouching soldier's memory (season of the little prince). Given that the spirits can appear in other memories, this may make building a timeline based on the memories alone difficult as some can possibly take place earlier or later in the timeline and there is little to no clues to show it.

[compact shale]

The idea that Faint appears in Slouch's memories is a hairlogic thing tho.

Hairlogic - The assumption that a spirit's hairstyle can be used to identify them outside their own memory. Personally I think it's dubious especially when it comes to hairstyles like the Creme Tuft hairstyle and the ponytail.

This is a joke but- I bet TGC will add a stylist spirit as a subtle "yes Ancestors cut their hair, now shut up about hairlogic"

[upbeat rampart]

Maybe fainting spirit existed before in Slouch's memories and then dying? (I should check Slouch's memories again)
But then it wouldn't add upto him dying in war narrative...well, probably paid a visit to Slouch's area, then goes to their place and gets killed?

But since it causes timeline disturbances, well, it probably isn't true. But I'd like to believe that when Fainting Warrior was seen that day, they truly did die after holding on.
Mainly because there wasn't any medical help and it seemed rather fatal

[nimble ingot]

Ah, fair enough, I forgot about that.

Though would it still apply if the spirit has the same body type/cosmetics?
It is a fair point for spirits to be added and have similar hair styles, though I suppose the devs may need to be careful with adding a known spirit and skykids have reason to dismiss them as fake and not the intended spirit.

[upbeat rampart]

Well other than that, sometimes Ascended candles helps proving the fact that it's really the spirit, at least in ref to Slouch's memories

[harsh pecan]

Ah yes, walking is a very profound memory indeed

[compact shale]

If other cosmetics also match, then it certifies them as THAT same spirit.

@harsh pecan FRICK

@upbeat rampart how do ascended candles prove anything?

[twilit blade]

How do you think this would this apply to call/stance spirits ?

[upbeat rampart]

Oh, that those were really the spirit in <another spirit>'s memories

I remember Vela ascending a spirit and that reflecting on the Slouch spirit

[nimble ingot]

The spirit turns gold when you give ascended candles to them.
That is one way to make them stand out.

[harsh pecan]

So…we can actually tell if a spirit is the same one we’ve seen before if they’re gold?

[upbeat rampart]

Yes, if you had ascended the spirit before, it'd show in others' memories
(not sure of all the others but...yeah, at least with some)

[harsh pecan]

Ohh

[compact shale]

Can you send a pic?

[nimble ingot]

Here is one.

you can check a memory with a spirit and they should be gold too.

[compact shale]

wow that's hella subtle

Though I do wonder, what kind of code are they using so that golden spirits can appear anywhere?

[nimble ingot]

They may be using the id for a specific spirit and adding them into a scene, I suppose.

[compact shale]

This is pretty groundbreaking. So it proves that aside from the desert, AT LEAST Slouching Spirit is canon... holy frick.

[nimble ingot]

yup.
I has said it before.
The season of the Little Prince may be a collaboration, though parts of it can be picked out and used in the lore.
It is just the matter of sorting through the season and dismissing the lore for the book and finding more evidence to justify any parts for sky lore.

[compact shale]

So maybe the alcohol thing could be true... Slouch is pretty special huh

[harsh pecan]

Oh my god you’re right

[jovial nacelle]

during the end of the season where we guide the little prince into eden, it confirms that other people we go through the gate with can go return to their world. As for us, we are stuck in our own world, unable to travel anywhere apparently

[nimble ingot]

ooh, lets not go there again.

It is still a funny detail, though it is a slippery slope, lol.

[compact shale]

That part could be a dream though, only present in our mind. Unlike the confirmations we got about Slouch.

[lofty rover]

I saw fermented fruit juice and I am wondering what's going on

[compact shale]

wait, it's NOT important?

[harsh pecan]

We’re talking about Slouching Soldier…I think

[lofty rover]

Ahh the dark water connoisseur from wasteland

[compact shale]

pssst raider react if you'll let me dm you i have a question to ask

[harsh pecan]

So if Slouching Soldier exists, doesn’t that raise the possibility of the other TLP spirits actually existing too?

[lofty rover]

I had a very dark theory for the starlight desert inhabitants

[compact shale]

Those guys don't have any connection to each other, just like in the book

So I doubt it, none of the other spirits have things we can use to anchor them to reality

[harsh pecan]

Can you type it?

[lofty rover]

I'll try to word it in a way that's uh.. better? And I did post it at the time but well only to get absolutely bulldozed lmao.
My theory was that starlight is like a rehab centre for people with certain issues. All the spirits are the extremes of some attributes of the realms (since you know each one vaguely belongs to a realm).
I also was working on mental health and each spirit but got demotivated after the bulldozing so

[harsh pecan]

True…but I’ll just do some more research

[compact shale]

Ooooh I see, though there's one thing

TLP has proven that Starlight Desert has an easy path way to (oofing) yourself

hopefully none of them tried to escape

[harsh pecan]

That’s an interesting theory

[lofty rover]

I kinda feel it's like a place where they settled. Yes it's a shortcut hence may be the elders put them here. But then left it to them whether they stayed in this beautiful place or just bolted

[compact shale]

Hopefully none of them bolted and ran towards Eden... that would be a terrible mental facility

[lofty rover]

Also I don't think it's a mental facility per se just a place where they existed. Cause they couldn't fit in with the realms. The star folk didn't know what to do. Very much like earlier days. May also explain some chains?

[harsh pecan]

Dang were they chained up or something?

[lofty rover]

They had chains right? At first I thought it might be metaphorical.

[compact shale]

the chains are symbolic of them being trapped by their worldview...

anyhow the REALLY REALLY old mental facilities did have the nasty reputation of chaining patients to their beds or something like that

[harsh pecan]

I agree with this

[lofty rover]

I think it was a merciful chain. Like they didn't want them to leave and get themselves in danger and at the same time they gave them their world to exist

They also served as examples of what happens when you take the virtues of the realms a bit too far. Hence they exist in a story book?

[compact shale]

What if Starlight Desert is a dream world used as their therapy

In real life they're actually in some sort of bed, and they're hooked up to a simulation to allow them to redsicover themselves without hurting themselves

Wait a minute this is just Danganronpa 2

[harsh pecan]

Also were there other “patients”? I find it hard to believe that a kingdom with thousands of people would only have 6 people with mental problems

[upbeat rampart]

Isolating people being the therapy? Genuinely interesting for an area which seems to be more emotionally understanding (minus the whole Wasteland area)

[harsh pecan]

Lol maybe, but if the places they’re found in are real, then why would they give a dark water enjoyer more dark water?

[lofty rover]

I have like a few things at that.. we don't have all spirits in the realms only few similarly these are like the most known or the most to teach a lesson. Also they may be a part of this starlight project where they started taking mental health more seriously (I wish) and gave them a beautiful dream to live in

[compact shale]

yikes

though this is all good for a fanfic

Starlight Project: Mindspace

[upbeat rampart]

maybe more like "kicking people out" sort of area?
Where they lost hopes on the people and just let them do whatever.

(holy frick 1 min cooldown)

[harsh pecan]

Cool!

I hate this cooldown

[lofty rover]

More like trying to give them a place to rest kinda area (ikr I can't get over the timer)

The main point of the theory was the place was meant to be a window into mental health is what I felt. Ofc it might be just me.

[compact shale]

It's so that fledgling theories don't die too quickly because no one noticed them

[harsh pecan]

They key to getting people to notice it is to make it really long or put a lot of photos, OR say it when no one is talking so when someone visits the lore chat the first thing they see is your theory 👍

[upbeat rampart]

Window to mental health doesn't seem bad but just...they're alone. What they need is people, an audience to clap for narcissist (or a buddy), Slouch needed a buddy and someone to lean on, and--

Screw it, everyone needed people, but they were isolated from each other so that wasn't possible. Basically that's why I don't think it was supposed to make their mental health "better"

Or maybe they lumped them together hoping they'd interact but something happened, which made them split. Rhythm vibes

[compact shale]

Yeah, that's true. ohohoho... incompetent spirits making a mental health rehab?

[lofty rover]

I kind of agree. I feel that they were a challenge to the elders. They didn't know what to do. And they created this space.
And I feel that says a lot about how mental health is treated.

[harsh pecan]

:[

[lofty rover]

A tinge darker theory is that there was another way they were being dealt with, these 6 spirits escaped and found their little heaven here

[harsh pecan]

Oh, I see what you mean

[lofty rover]

The Eden kept this- their heaven, safe. Since people won't wander here cause the Eden is too close

I also find it apt that a mental health theme be present in the realm for the night.

[compact shale]

and knowledge

[upbeat rampart]

True. Possible, if anyone shows instability or weren't doing their jobs/have their mental health meddling with the "practical issues"

[harsh pecan]

I gtg, bye 👋

[lofty rover]

Idk it's just a theory in the end. Would be super pleased if it were true. But well seeing the initial response to my theory during the season idk anymore

[compact shale]

Didn't know that your theory nearly died

[lofty rover]

It didn't die. It was uh.. explicitly said go. And don't return. /j but yeah people waved it off as too dark for tgc and too uncomfortable?

[compact shale]

Good thing you were able to revive it today~ :D

[lofty rover]

Ayy yeah! I actually poofed from lore chat altogether after that. Since it's an issue close to my heart.

[twilit blade]

Starlight Desert supposedly being a mental rehab space? Well no wonder I like visiting there often

[upbeat rampart]

I didn't see that theory. If I did, I would have given my inputs that time

On the bright side, you did now, so I finally got to see it!

[hushed steeple]

Wait what is this theory? Like a TL; DR version?
I'd really like to know

[compact shale]

start here: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[hushed steeple]

Interesting

I also noticed the return shrine colors today! They change with the realms! So went into every realm and got a picture

Notice that the colors of Valley, Wasteland, and Vault are much starker than those for Isle, Prairie and Forest
Also that the colors are analogous (Isle and Valley, Prairie and Wasteland, Forest and Vault)

1. Valley
2. Forest
3. Isle? I think?
4. Prairie
5. Vault
6. Wasteland

[tulip aspen]

mine are long AND when no one is saying anything (or it makes people stop talking, im a chat killer for a reason /:

those things can help, but in the end you just 1. have to be lucky enough to catch attention
2. have to not be boring in the first place
3. maybe have some fun buzz words to make people look suddenly at what you're saying amongst everything else

[compact shale]

Indeed... how is everything going, Jam?

[tulip aspen]

wym lol
i think my concept is basically finished

i suppose i should add/write more details/notes/supporting-evidence for it tho, i do it when i feel its fun tho, not in the hope that'll make it gain traction, cos it wont

[compact shale]

Don't lose hope, Jam.

||damn i should probably work on wave 2 of server updates||

[tulip aspen]

something I plan to write about it for it soon is any solid non headcanon evidence towards both the enlightenment theory and the last wish theory

I don't think I'll get close to confirming either but if I can undig any more facts then I think that'll still be important for the Lore community

[compact shale]

Yeet lol

[tulip aspen]

h U h

[icy spruce]

Or send a doc

[compact shale]

It's great but prepare for a L O N G read

Bring it in Jam!

edit: here we go #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[harsh pecan]

Oof…

[tulip aspen]

its not.... that long :v

[compact shale]

it's too long for discord tho :^>

[tulip aspen]

oh yeah, btw fruity, i do have a theory ive been thinking about thruout today

ascension shows us what the Sky is, just a ball of light like a minisun with millions of creatures dancing around it

but... my theory is that I don't think Orbit (the area of rebirth where you buy from elders and gain wing buffs from spirits) is real

I think it's another Limbo; the "inside your mind" dimension again

its a pointless and unnecessary distinction, but it's just what i believe

[compact shale]

oooh hm

[hushed steeple]

I think theres more to orbit then the light ball, or perhaps more like the light ball is the outer crust, like the dark ball in fire trial

[thick plaza]

The ball is fire trial is just......trauma flashbacks

[boreal bane]

headcanon: when the eden diamond exploded, it caused clouds of darkness seen in the fire trial to hurtle towards the realms below it similar to a pyroclastic flow caused by volcanoes. This cloud of darkness instantly caused anything caught up in it to perish

[nimble ingot]

@hushed steeple @thick plaza
Orbit feels like the complete opposite of the fire trail orb of death.

That is actually a good point. Thanks for pointing it out

[abstract wasp]

So no one can tell me an ancient big-o krill didn't exist right? But the fact it was drawn into two of "the seek of power"-like writtens is a complete coincidence

[thick plaza]

By the time the Ark crashed there probably were Krills, as the storm was probably created by darkness
Not too sure about prophecy cave tho

Maybe it was a foretold prophecy?

[abstract wasp]

I'm so sorry for the cold ping, but were you replying to me??
So that symbol is Bault?

[night shoal]

Just bouncing off,
Maybe krills alr existed before, and as corruption spreads they just spread along w it.
Like climate-change-assisted invasive species
Or like Colombia's drug hippos problem

For context:
Hippos aren't native to Colombia.
But in the 80s an infamous kingpin imported several of them because he wanted a personal zoo.
When the properties were seized and the personal zoo shutdown, the hippos were just left free like that.
But turns out the hippos really likes Colombian climate and mates faster than they originally would in Africa.
All factors were conducive into creating hippos into a new lethal invasive species in Colombia

[abstract wasp]

But like, I don't see multiple krills like I see multiple mantas, besides this specific krill does seem pretty large in comparison
Perhaps this is the one wich antlers are found in the sunken boat?
Because it does seem to be the same exact krill in both writtens

[night shoal]

Tldr: krills are Colombian hippos

All valid questions, except idk, assuming that they all refer to the 1 same krill feels like a leap...
Don't forget there's also the same depiction of krill on that big mural rock in Isle of Dawn desert

[night shoal]

Re_multiple krills: idk, maybe krill number just follow the general bigger=fewer rule? The avg krill is a lot bigger than the avg manta, and we do generally see smaller mantas in bigger numbers, and their number get smaller as the manta gets bigger in size (w exception of pygmy mantas)
{is this what ure asking? Or were u asking more why there isn't more krill drawings in murals compared to mantas?}

Re_antlers: are they antlers tho? U mean the ones inside the shipwreck beside the message shrine, yes? Have u considered maybe they're non-burn-able darkness? Like some u can find in prairie cave jars in that cellar the end of phew-dab spirit memory (as for why they're not burn-able, maybe tgc forgot to code it in, idk)

[sand tree]

WRONG CHANNEL I APOLOGISE

[compact shale]

Hahahaha... it's absurd how ancestors in murals are almost stickmen but krill are this realistic

[compact shale]

Jenova said that krills are corrupted (as opposed to naturally dark) so we've assumed it means krill aren't born as krill, but idk what do you think?

[jovial nacelle]

Just my theory of the world of sky / elders:
warning, long text wall

At the beginning, before the Elders descended into "Hell" (the world in sky) they resided in heaven as Archangels (archangels are angels with a high rank.) The Seven, were most likely close to servant to "God." But their allegiance to Heaven would soon go sour.

These 7 Archangels, had a desire to be free. Why? You may ask, because in Heaven there are principles they have to rightfully obey remain there. As Archangels, they'd have to be more strict with themselves and towards others because they possessed a divine power that was far greater than others.

In other words, they held a power that was partial towards their god; which meant they wanted to use this power freely to create their own civilization like their God did. Likewise, the God discovered this and punished them in sentence towards Hell as they could only create Living Beings.

And so, The Seven Elders descended from Heaven, and into the world of sky where they would be eternally binded. In the eyes of Heaven, this was a punishment. But for them, this was an opportunity. Then the 7 began to construct their own Civilization.

Isle would be the one guiding the first spirits into the Daylight Prairie where trade was abundant and architecture, creatures were too.

Daylight would govern the trades of the Realms that each Elder possessed, he would also be the one creating the creatures that we see today in sky (this includes the whales.)

Forest lead a new Age of Architecture, she'd be the one teaching the elders on how to forge power diamonds, create temples, sanctuaries for themselves and other creatures, defenses, homes etc.

more coming..

[hushed steeple]

Theres an interesting thing about already corrupted krills being in prophecy mural, other than they are facing away, as if it was running away from the kingdoms glory or something. But Teth is actually ALREADY holding a power diamond in that exact same mural! So maybe something already happened before Prince went dark to cause some darkness to overpower creatures, that or he went corrupt very quickly.

[jovial nacelle]

The Twin Valley Elders inspired the first spirits, increasing their Morale and confidence. Not only that, they would also introduce new types of transportation in land, sky and sea.

The Wasteland Elder would handle the defenses if Heaven were to even invade Hell. In accordance to Forest, they'd both collaborate into creating new weapons, mechanisms etc.

And as for the Vault, they were the one that was closest to God. They'd possess all knowledge that Scholars and the Civilizations that had to be known in the world of sky. This included information about "Heaven." Their revolt, how their freedom was binded and their descent into Hell. This spire where the knowledge remained surpassed the importance of the other realms if they were to fell once again.

And so, the first spirits came. How? You may ask. These were most likely angels in Heaven who were inspired by the Elders revolt against the Divine who promptly descended to truly be free from their grasp. This caused a massive problem in Heaven, the angels lacked and was almost barren.

Along with the spirits and elders, they both created a civilization in the Sky above to create an abode for all of them. This, was the City of Eden. This was the pinnacle of their progress, but where they built the City was almost halfway towards heaven.

There in the City, the first King was crowned.

more coming~

(i'm going to combine in a document with further analysis )

[feral radish]

Mates, I have an idea for the Belonging Family tree

[tulip aspen]

well what do you mean?

[tulip aspen]

thats what fruity and i always assume ye

[feral radish]

So, Grandma was the Belonging Guide for the season, so she is probably the head of the family, or the one who is a descendant of many members from the Belonging family tree.

She found Wise Grandparent, proposed to him (instead of the other way round, where the man proposes to the woman), and had Pleaful Parent, who then courts and marries Sparkler Parent. Pleaful and Sparkler then had HairTousle Teen and Boogie Kid.

So the gist of this is, Grandma Belonging marries Wise Grandparent (who becomes a Belonging member). They had Pleaful, who marries Sparkler (same effect here). The two then had HairTousle and Boogie, and then something (I forgot what it is, I'm sorry), and that's probably the end of the Belonging name on Grandma's side of the family

(This is just a theory, you can believe or not)

[compact shale]

Yea the murals itself are the prophecy that motivated the prophets to make the trials as par to what they think it's saying

[jovial nacelle]

It's interesting. If spirits have the ability to create a pocket dimension for the trials, they could also create new creatures and darkness along with it

[compact shale]

Hoo boi

[tulip aspen]

i think that could be pretty accurate

the tldr is just that the belonging group is actually all family lmao

[tulip aspen]

"that is the power of the elders
they are dead but their power is clearly present after death that they influence you when you meditate at their throne, so im guessing they control the temple too

loreheads apparently have a name for what happens when you meditate, and i didnt know this until yesterday
it's called "Limbo"
when you meditate, you enter this dimension called Limbo
it happens at elders, spirits can make versions of them, you imagine people cheering for you at the race in a semi limbo (the tiny circles at top of race), the trials, and when you die in eden, apparently your soul goes to limbo

because of that last thing, we can strongly assume Limbo is some kind of just "spirit world", where the thoughts of the living and dead become so powerful they take forms"

[night shoal]

I forgot abt that, good on u for mentioning that "corrupted" tidbit.
Altho I'd also add that just saying "corrupted" leaves a lot of room for imagination (which was probably intentional), since it can mean a lot of things, from mutation (genetic) , forced adaptation (reacting to climate change /pollution /deforestation, etc), to good old fantasy-evil-took-over-my-body type thing
For all we know krill could just be like reacting to wasteland pollution n eating/living where trash is available ala city rats or raccoons
Tldr; maybe krills are trash pandas

[tulip aspen]

yee krills were (not exactly confirmed yet but extremely obvious) originally Light Dragons, giant whale/manta like beings that ancestors built mobile homes and stations on

you can see a Light Dragon in the Nintendo Launch trailer for sky

the corruption seems to have made them extremely thin and bony, and highly aggressive

[night shoal]

Idk, sounds like a bit of a leap there assuming they're both the same creature.
I mean, who's to say the light creature "light dragon" thing in the trailer isn't a totes diff animal that's just plain extinct?
I mean lack of solid evidence aside, "extinction" as a motif wouldn't be too out there, considering we have a Sanctuary (not to mention that singular manta-whale splashing in the distance there)
I'd love to be proven wrong and welcome a new season where we see more details abt how krills r corrupted, and/or anything from the trailer at all finally in-game lol

[outer gorge]

Wait hold up

Have anyone figured out which assembly spirit correspond to which realm spirit yet?

[compact shale]

I'm not exactly sure if the "Assembly spirits correspond to elders" concept was scrapped or not. It may be a rumor.

[outer gorge]

It's in the sky wiki that I just checked ahahah

[compact shale]

oh right, yeah. Hmmm I think someone has mentioned this before... hmm...

This is harder to find than I thought. This is going to take a while.

What the heck

So I think TGC changed it

They're not related to the elders anymore

They're "who are descendants of the Hidden Forest ancestors"

https://www.thatskygame.com/news/a-return-to-hidden-forest-with-season-of-assembly

wonder why they changed it

It does not completely joss the "descendants of Lightseekers" theory, because they could always have 2 parents, one in Forest and one from Lightseekers

then again Laidback is a thing LOL

[hollow vault]

Did you guys ever wonder who the narrator in the very first cutscene of the game is? When they ask us to bring back "their lost stars"? If yes, please tell me who it actually is. It can't be the elders since they're the ones who fell right? /gen

[compact shale]

Well, some say it's Megabird, some say it's the collective voice of the spirits, some say it's Alef...

Yeah no one really agrees on this topic might wanna wait for devs to serve the lore crumbs or loaves

[hollow vault]

Hoping for some more lore

[compact shale]

Just a minute now...!

I'm not sure if this has the answer but it says a lot about the introduction!

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[cunning shell]

I actually thought that, maybe, the narrator was YOU (the player). Of course, that spirals into other theories, but yeah

But if skids are in an endless cycle of reborning, and have to be given light every single time, it could literally be your own voice. Maybe they can’t truly ascend until they get their personal light back. But if light is constantly changing hands via Eden, it would take forever to get your own light back

Or maybe not. But I personally love temporal looping and adjacent concepts, so this is what my head has decided lol

[hollow vault]

I like how you mentioned "the player" in parentheses because of my username

[jovial nacelle]

I've always noticed. All of the creatures in sky seems to be be only going towards Eden and to the Light

[compact shale]

Yeah... there's a cycle here... where is that darn concept art?

[harsh pecan]

The one with the figure in the middle or the one where spirits pass through the human world then to Sky?

[compact shale]

The one where light creatures grow towards Orbit

[jovial nacelle]

oh!

[harsh pecan]

Ohh, I don’t have that one

[jovial nacelle]

You know how the rain in the Hidden Forest happened because of the gifted water element as seen in the prophecy mural? I think it became toxic to us because when the destruction of Eden happened it poisoned the rain

[compact shale]

Here we go! :D

[jovial nacelle]

Thank you!

Hm..

It's interesting. It mentions of a human world, and the deepest we've gone in the world of sky was wasteland

[compact shale]

Remember that this is concept art. Not all of it may be canon. All that is certain to be canon is what is in the present form of the game.

[frigid tinsel]

Yea, during development, there was a concept of lingering in this between world before ascending to the sky world. That’s the concept art of skykids in cities. AFAIK, that’s not canon.

[upbeat rampart]

Vault OOBed yesterday...cape looks similar to ours when we're dying in PNR?

[hushed steeple]

Tsadi has no time for fashion

Yet his cape is to die for

[jovial nacelle]

hey guys, you know about the come here! emote in Isle? It shows a sky kid

[jovial nacelle]

So sky kids existed during the spirits... That raises a question, are the children of light the lost sky kids?

[compact shale]

A bunch of us believe that this thing is Alef lol

[jovial nacelle]

The Prince or the King?..

[hushed steeple]

Thats, um, well its a pretty special skykid actually. I don’t think skykids existed during the time of spirits since....well they where created to retrieve spirits.

[jovial nacelle]

Hm, what if its the sky kid we hug at the end of Eden?..

[compact shale]

Some also think that is Alef. Search up king.wav to learn more.

edit: it may be banned.

[hushed steeple]

Thats another popular theory. Its partially supported by the -FORBIDDEN- too.

But a scene in the concept art where it is prince and looks a WHOLE LOT like the scene we all know now

[compact shale]

what is the FORBIDDEN

[hushed steeple]

what you mentioned, I just used a censored version

[frigid tinsel]

Banned/forbidden as can’t be discussed in this server?

[slender panther]

??

[compact shale]

yeah datamined lore can't be discussed

[frigid tinsel]

Ohh I think I know what you mean now

[slender panther]

ohh ok

[frigid tinsel]

Okay so for legal lore speculations:
Since the update, we see skykids blinking with two eyes. Okay, but what the heck is this?

[compact shale]

Not sure, haven't seen much concept art of it. Can't be our soul, our chest candle fills that purpose. Maybe that's where the bloom table tea goes?

Ok time to add that to the "list of questions for the next devstream"

What's that diamond thing right above our eyes?

[velvet lynx]

Watch the reason be like "oh yeah it just looked cool"

But yeah theres gotta be a reason for the diamonds cause they're EVERYWHERE

[compact shale]

well if skykids are a light/dark hybrid, maybe the candle core is our light core and the diamond is a mini power diamond (dark core)

[velvet lynx]

Probably!

[frigid tinsel]

It’s just, when maskless, you can see their eyes closed, but nothing on their forehead for the third light to glow from

Case in point

[upbeat rampart]

Maybe because they essentially don't fit in with the Ancestors or the Elders (who have diamonds somewhere on them) but the mask makes them blend in?

It's also worth noting that humanoid masks which has diamonds could allow skykids to use their vision. Maybe it somewhat traps the light and gives them the power to see when they essentially cannot open their eyes?

(Doesn't make sense for the amimal themed masks though, maybe they are more instantaneous and quick in comparison to humanoid masks)

[exotic heron]

a few humanoid masks doesnt have this, uh, thing tho

[upbeat rampart]

Or maybe humanoid masks are closer to the Elders, so they have a diamond to represent that (ex: Isle Elder mask), which also got an extra function overtime.

@exotic heron didn't consider that, coud be a distinction from TS to the Basic constellation spirits. Perhaps they didn't "originally belong" there, and skykids (along with the spirits) did? And they're some sort of marking made by the Elders (but Skykids get by Megabird? Or maybe it's because they were the Prince?) to show that they're "verified" members in their realm.

(Generally "verified" have one diamond, if they have more or less then they didn't belong there and/or Elders wouldn't provide them basic amenities like the "verified" spirits?)

[boreal bane]

are we allowed to discuss beta things here?

[shut trellis]

maybe they have a third eye that we cannot see

[shut trellis]

past beta or new beta? aka new things or things that have passed.
well what light said.

[upbeat rampart]

Current beta which is happening? No. Past ones like Aviary? Sure

[boreal bane]

oh ok

[exotic heron]

sounds interesting

[frigid tinsel]

Hmm, maybe some of the animal-themed masks do have diamonds on them. It’s not obvious in this one but it’s there

[compact shale]

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.... HMMMMMM...

[upbeat rampart]

I didn't see that...interesting, considering I used that as the base to say "not all travelling spirits belong"

[frigid tinsel]

I’m more so wondering why they (ours) glow

[harsh pecan]

Hmmmmmm

[shut trellis]

Maybe a glowy paint was put on

[hushed steeple]

Headlight eyes theory to the rescue

[compact shale]

what was it

[hushed steeple]

Idea skykids have really really bright eyes that fill up any mask they wear, and the reason they close them being that they would be too blinding with them open.

[compact shale]

ogh

if the masks have reflective insides they'd be blinded by their own radiance
ouch

[harsh pecan]

That’s a good theory actually, but why would Megabird give them really bright eyes?

[tulip aspen]

krills' canon name is dark dragon
nintendo trailer's creature was the light dragon

they both have similar heads, and body lengths

that's really a leap? ):

[compact shale]

Wait

HOw do we know the name of the Switch creature?

[tulip aspen]

what

[tulip aspen]

im pretty sure its the entity of the Sky
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sNuL12VgxIoRl57s-bkYFiAg1a7D42n8WvsaiPNyzI4/edit?usp=drivesdk

[frigid tinsel]

I don't think they were made with really bright eyes (intentionally), rather I think its a consequence of their composition.
Going off of the "skykids are hollow" theory – which answers why they ding when crashing into stuff – you gotta wonder why they're hollow. Sure, perhaps they're hollow in order to fly easier. But another reason for making a hollow being is so it can carry something within it.
So what are skykids suppose to carry inside themselves?

Light.
They're hollow because they're supposed to be vessels for light, perhaps specifically winged light/imprints of children of light to revive "the fallen" in Eden. Since they're full of literal light, any opening in their form is going to exude the light out. Their eyes are an opening, so light comes out of their eyes.

[tulip aspen]

well...-
oh
ig we dont lolol

i am defeated
to the depths of headcanon i go

[compact shale]

Um... Do you search up my lore messages every now and then?

Anyways, basically in Assembly's teaser update, they said that each Scout would correspond to one of the elders. But when it was released, the update papers said they're descendants of the Forest spirits

I'm a bit fuzzy on it sorry about that

Wait a second

This is getting confusing

How did we ever think that the Assembly kids were related to the elders?

https://www.thatskygame.com/news/teaser-season-of-assembly "Each spirit this season is individually related to the realm Ancestors of Sky – with their theme and items a reflection of their personalities."

And then

https://www.thatskygame.com/news/a-return-to-hidden-forest-with-season-of-assembly "Meet the 6 Scouts (who are descendants of the Hidden Forest ancestors)"

Is this... MANDELA?!

[tulip aspen]

no lol when i open the chat it opens at my last message, then i scroll down from there

[compact shale]

Wow

what function is that

is there a setting for it

[tulip aspen]

idk lol my phone just does it xD

[compact shale]

oh

can i ask you a question in DMs just react if yes

[harsh pecan]

Wow

[hushed steeple]

I think in earliest assembly stuff, maybe that first link you quoted, but also maybe from a video? I forgot. But we where all confused what that meant too. I don’t know for sure if it said “elder” more just that the kids repped for each realm. (Even though a lot of cosmetics shifted around during development to make some less clear).

[compact shale]

wow, lore sure does shift fast

or like I said we got Mandela'd

[twilit blade]

Are we allowed to talk about the new season here?

It's beta stuff so I won't spill

[hushed steeple]

What you posted seems pretty much what I remember. I can see taking “realm ancestor” as “elder” we had double and triple takes back when assembly was announced too. Brbrbrbr the lore is liquid and we have no cups.

No beta content is allowed here, unless by new season you mean flight.

[compact shale]

what does "we have no cups" mean

[hushed steeple]

We have no solid object capable of holding, containing, shaping, and understanding lore in this form.

[compact shale]

Oh ok then

The cup is Alef-sha-

[hushed steeple]

No hes canonically a fork

[icy spruce]

pretty sure he’s a knife

[compact shale]

NAGGHSFDNSDFHAHAHAHA

[frigid tinsel]

i think they're a spoon, specifically the little spoon

[hushed steeple]

But he stabs the holy spaghetti

[icy spruce]

Apparently he’s a plate?

totally from canon sky doc (100 percent)

[frigid tinsel]

why is this a thing

[hushed steeple]

Sky cutlery AU

[icy spruce]

what about the elders

aanndd welcome back to cgkintro.mp4 CHAT GOT KRILLEDDD!

I saw that

[harsh pecan]

Y e s

[frigid tinsel]

Anyways, thought yall be interested in knowing that our resident dark manta looks less glichy now

[narrow geyser]

How to get there, Boss?

[cloud haven]

what's the most interesting lore in sky cotl

i mean, what's the most deepest level in sky cotl's iceberg

[frigid tinsel]

Also that, yes, the diamond is visible on ancestors’ and spirits’ masks, they either do not shine at all or glow nowhere near the same intensity as they sky on skykids

[frigid tinsel]

Above the tinkering chimesmith’s island, between the gap in the clouds

[narrow geyser]

Thank you.

[hushed steeple]

How do you get there?

[frigid tinsel]

Above the tinkering chimesmith’s island, between the gap in the clouds

[hushed steeple]

Ooh, thanks! Will check it out when there's a quest next time
Insert all the grateful emojis

[hushed steeple]

Hmmmmm....pin poems are a bit basic, I feel like lore chat automatically makes deep things more visible....so maybe not the animal elders....hmmm. Maybe blue eden, a light awaits beta out of bounds with the elders getting tossed about that was before eden had a final design? Its not concept art, so not easily visible, and very few of us have it saved from the mod that shared it. The hotdating early cube graphics are amazing too....but not really lore.

[compact shale]

Can you send the pin poems here?

[hushed steeple]

I don’t have pin poems saved aaaaaa

[cloud haven]

:O... btw what language in the world of sky cotl speaks :eyes_sus:

[compact shale]

In the language of The Light.

[hushed steeple]

Theres not an answer. But some letters of it are prolly seen on Lamed’a helm and some on the bells and some of the cube walls in archive. No one has translated them yet. Theres prolly not a translation.

[cloud haven]

ah i see, kk

[compact shale]

Unless we ask in the dev streams-

[hushed steeple]

I always think, we should use dev streams for only for things we know are answerable and will yield satisfying results.....but I can’t think of any questions like that...other than just confirming fallen starchild/prophecy victor is prince.

[compact shale]

Hmmmmmmmmm... HRMMNnnfnngnshhdfdfndfnshfnmmm...

[hushed steeple]

Like someone asked where the light point is on the fishes in the pond since other living stuff and spirits has it. And the answer was an expected “we ran out of polygons”

[compact shale]

HAH

nah I think the letters will get a better answer

[thin dirge]

Oh yeah, Pin Poems for the Elders are very interesting

[hushed steeple]

I really hope so. Though I would be pleasantly shocked if they where more than letters made up for decoration......they do look a little hebrew.

[compact shale]

Tell me, tell me! :D

[hushed steeple]

Prarie and forest elders had the most breadcrums, prarie mentions guiding light creatures, and skykids being predicted. And Teth, well she is guilty and something like “dont cry elder the light you broke in vain is healing” or something

[thin dirge]

Like, especially the Isle and Forest one. Because they both have this interesting implications on our skids' identity. That our skids' arrival to the Sky Kingdom actually isnt the first time we came. Our arrival to the game was actually our "return" to it

[compact shale]

wuha? wuha? SEND ME THE SAUSAG

[hushed steeple]

For you, I found them I think. Outdated though. Does not contain new ones. Heres from illegal lore places. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BdMPoH0kRZOYDKvl2g5eQSH0h6JlvMHgBFs7P5Lg9NE/mobilebasic

[thin dirge]

Isle Elder Pin Poem:
"Dawn breaks with stars fallen,
Ferries stir to distant calls.
Shepherd us home back upwards,
A herald awakes to heed us all.
"Dear Children, no hope was lost,
We saw of your return to us."
The Elder opens up the skies,
And together again, we fly.

Forest Elder Pin Poem:
"Don’t weep, dear Elder, we heed your heart,
Tomorrow is a new day.
The scattered light, you broke in vain,
No longer falls apart.
“Dear Child, we waited your return,
Our true savior of the sky.”
Let love and compassion deeply in,
With you, we too will heal."

[compact shale]

where's the forest pin?

[thin dirge]

Also, here's the newer doc with Nov 2020 pins https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KXGeF3qEJ20eklv5ErOVWcJ66X9d0_4oFIFyKWWezPY/edit?usp=drivesdk

[hushed steeple]

Cool im gonna save that :]

[rigid mural]

Hold up, "return" ?
Did sky kids live alongside ancestors and possibly meet elders then ?

[thin dirge]

Cough Our Sky Kid=The Prince cough

[hushed steeple]

I don’t believe in skykid generations theory. So im gonna say prince rebirth theory also counts as a return.

Plus skykids where made to save and replace spirits so....spirits prolly need to have fallen first.

[thin dirge]

Hmm, Ive noticed a lot of conversations here had questions and topics that Im familiar with but newer peeps here do not. So ping me if yall have any questions about lore, since Ive been here in this chat for over a year now

I dont really mind pings, my notifs are off but I come here in Discord often, (Im often in other servers), so I dont mind pings for questions and stuff

[hushed steeple]

Same, sometimes I reply in concept art compilations though.

[compact shale]

What happened the first time we came...? It's time for Fruity to weave a story of theory and headcanon once more!

The Elders were fallen angels/stars who built a civilization. The first generation of skykids were sent down by Megabird in an effort to help them through their darkness and ascend them. However, because of the Prophecy, most of them were tormented and killed in the trials.

One of those first-generation skykids, Alef, was chosen by the Prophecy to become Sky's ruler. However, because of the power surge and the hate that Alef had gradually developed for the ancestors from his suffering, he wasn't a very good ruler. He also impulsively commissioned an extremely large throne for himself. (Resh mechsuit) Out of spite, or maybe as an attempt to escape, he gathered up a large amount of purified light to consume in a ceremony, with the claim that it was the ultimate offering to Megabird. (in a way, it was, but he was trying to use it to ascend and escape the kingdom.)

It failed, and the corruption inside him overrode him and darkness took over, gradually ravaging through the realms, wiping out the ancestors and the rest of the first generation.

After a long time, Megabird sent a new generation of skykids. This time, they could revive themselves from the trials. This time, they were a balance between light and darkness so that it would be harder for them to corrupt themselves. This time, they had an easier way of returning to Them.

Now, not only do they have to ascend the elders, they have to ascend the ancestors and their first generation as well.

[hushed steeple]

Interesting. Would the prophets students in the memories be skykids then?

......and uh....I kinda.....have a fanart about this exact topic.

[thin dirge]

Oh yeah, I had multiple possible interpretations as to how the Prince became our Sky Kid, I shared it here once.

1. Solo-Player interpretation
   This interpretation is based on the theory that our skid on Sky's story is actually going solo. Its the same as Journey as well.
   With the Prince, they get reborn, but alone, and our skid journeys through the lands, reliving every moment. (This is possible as almost everything we do in our progress of the game is done alone)

2. Multiplayer interpretation
   The theory that multiplayer is indeed canon. The Prince decides to be reborn as multiple skids instead. Kinda like the "Skids are fragments of the Prince" but not quite. This is based off of my "All lving beings are incarnations of the Light" headcanon, kinda a bit like "We are the universe undertanding itself" philosophy.
   The Prince ends up becoming similar to that, so we are all the Prince reborn in the same way, the Prince being reborn as multiple sky kids. The Prince did this to experience friendship, and to no longer be alone.
   Meaning our life purpose in Sky in the end is to just have friends with each other and keep on living and love each other

3. Multiversal Crossing Interpretation
   Pretty much every Skid is a version of the reborn Prince in different alternate timelines, and they keep "crossing over", making it look like there's multiple skids but they're all just diff versions of the same Sky kid.

[hushed steeple]

Love multiplayer interpretation. It sounds sweet.

[thin dirge]

Yeah, its got to be my fave interpretation as well. Tho I also lean towards the Solo Player Interpretation due to how it makes sense logically as most of our progress of our game is done solo, and most of the significant parts of the game has our sky kid alone rather than with others.

[compact shale]

About number 3, I have an AU story about how the whole Sky world is a bunch of timelines woven into each other, but it's not theory-based so I'm not putting it here

[thin dirge]

It was actually a theory/headcanon I saw going around here before. Tho, I wouldnt say its that popular, pretty sure it exists here as an actual theory for the multiplayer of Sky

[compact shale]

Hm, not sure. Might have died and been revived a few times.

[hushed steeple]

Alright, night yall, lore on you mad rebels.

[thin dirge]

Its been a very long since I saw it (but hey, I wasnt active here until recently sooo), but it def existed at some point

[heavy hollow]

I would love if someone could explain the bare bones lore of the game since I have trouble piecing it together sometimes

[compact shale]

This might help https://docs.google.com/document/d/18B1-SKG3toG0oH0VhOWC5o-cG9u0STAN92QvmbhTDto/edit

[slate saffron]

(Something I grabbed from reddit, any thoughts? )

[exotic berry]

Do we need permission or something to post pics or vids in this channel now? I’ve tried a couple times to ask a q related to media I had. Posts just tend to disappear.

[compact shale]

Nah, images are allowed. Your file name might have had a filtered word in it.

[narrow geyser]

I call them the forgotten guardians.

[exotic berry]

Odd. It was pics taken through the game. I’ll try again. Thanks for the reply.

[compact shale]

just change the file name and you should be good.

[compact shale]

Eh? it got deleted?

[exotic berry]

Does anyone have any info about this room? It’s connected to the forest temple.

I found why I was having issues - apparently a term we used for the machine that refines light creatures into fuel has been filtered. Two word term, neither of which are filtered by themselves. I have no idea why it’s filtered now.

[thin dirge]

Wait, let me try-

[tulip aspen]

the "all beings are incarnations of the light" is very similar to parts of the intro I'm trying to prove grows our understanding of canon

[tulip aspen]

tbf, i believe mp is canon
i just don't believe the skykid is directly related to the prince at all (i don't like personally forwarding theories about the prince or king since all we know about any of them is the prince might be the chosen one the prophets claimed)

[thin dirge]

Ooh, Ive mentioned the that theory of mine several times in this chat. Its was a big theory of mine about the truth of the Megabird and how they're the narrator and stuff like that. Might add on to more of your theory

[tulip aspen]

mine isn't a theory per se, im boldly claiming what i wrote is exactly what the intro says @_@

people definitely seem to enjoy that

but yeah i do think the Sky is the voices that speak to you at the beginning of the game

[compact shale]

What do you think of the PIN poems, Jam?

[thin dirge]

Oh yeah, one part of the pdf is interesting. Where did the devs reveal that Orbit/Ascension was the "center of the universe"? I dont think Ive seen that

[tulip aspen]

could you give me context on where it's from?
if it's from tgc it sounds like something the devs wrote for fun rather than thinking "heheh this will get the loreheads all dizzy"

so I'm not sure i will give it much attention, unless it's actually something intentionally for lore

[exotic berry]

@ me if anyone has info about the room. It’s a bit late. Thanks for the help, all.

[compact shale]

I heard that the Narrative Team looks over those, so HOPEFULLY they didn't do it while sleepy

edit: Um. #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[nimble ingot]

There used to be a quest in there during the beta (2018/2019 not sure when exactly).
The thinking spirit used to be in there, before he was moved to the season of rhythm.

[tulip aspen]

i think a livestream?

everything i said was factchecked by fruity lolol (fruity halp)

[thin dirge]

Actually, its from the descriptions of the Pins that go up for sale at the Skyshop, so they're pretty much from TGC. I could go get the link, if I could find them. Need to go rn tho, brb

[exotic berry]

Thank you. I greatly appreciate that info.

[tulip aspen]

i hope narrative
since prince i haven't been too fond of chasing narratives attention and giving them love lolol

also great ty ktjin

[compact shale]

It's from the last "Making of The Little Prince" video, it's on thatskygame's instagram and twitter

[harsh pecan]

That’s a lot of bones

[nimble ingot]

There is concept art suggesting that these creatures died from unnatural causes.

[icy spruce]

Mmm bone

[quick terrace]

I did not read holy site as holy site at first

[nimble ingot]

come to think of it, if remains signify an unnatural death.
Would the spirit's remains (the statues from memories), and a skykid statue also represent death due to unnatural causes?

Following a statement about darkness being once part of the natural balance of Sky. I wonder if the balance being disrupted would mean that the darkness is unnatural, or due to the ancestors/elder's tampering with that balance caused the natural darkness to become corrupted. Which in turn causes it to curropt everything else?

[nimble ingot]

Eden was once called a holy site in concept art too.

[compact shale]

I've always believed this, yes.

I believe that the color blue represents docile darkness, which is (mostly) natural (think darkness plants, some ancestor tech)

While the color red represents hostile darkness, which is (usually) unnatural (think aggressive krill light, Eden)

[nimble ingot]

Blue could also represent the spirit component.
Given how the ancestors are associated with blue, and their spiritual forms are blue.

I have a working theory that a skykid can develop a soul, which could either suggest that skykids are living creatures and not true golems (soulless). Or with the skykid spending enough time around the spirits made them feel loved in return. With the love of the spirits, the skykid becomes determined to help them and that might be enough for a skykid to develop a soul.

Soul science (if you can call that) is something I have not looked at.
Though since seems to come up more than once, I may need to look into that.

Though after finishing the research doc I was promising weeks ago 😅

[compact shale]

Ohhh

I've been watching Linfamy and what you just said sounds like that belief Japanese people had that young children were part-human part-spirit and giving them human experiences will tie them more and more to the physical world and make them more human

[thin dirge]

Oml, thats just straight up confirmation of my theory about the Light/Orbit being at the "heart" of the Megabird!!

[narrow geyser]

So... ||Who is the God in sky? I mean the elders are there to regulate the law of orders but disappeared. The question is who or what is the origin? Or is there?||

[compact shale]

Ever heard of Megabird?

[icy spruce]

No nneed to spooiler and in concept arts, Megabirb is the deity of Sky

[narrow geyser]

Sorry, but I don't really know who or what is Megabird? I'm just starting. If you can explain, please?

[compact shale]

Can someone please explain? I don't exactly have the best opinion/objectivity about Megabird

[thin dirge]

Ooh, just starting? Have you played through Eden yet?

[narrow geyser]

I googled it and my dumb self can't tell where. Lmao.

[icy spruce]

Megabirb is the birb-like thing at the end credits. Some people say Megabirb is a cluster of galaxies and some say they’re the god of Sky

[thin dirge]

Some say its both of the above. cough Me cough

[nimble ingot]

Megabird is the giver of Light and Life.
It is a deity where all light would return and flow through before returning to the world.

It's light is usually signified with a flame, or a star (though the star is a lesser known symbol and more associated with winged light, or the king at times).

[narrow geyser]

Yep. 4 or 5 times?

[compact shale]

Same here. The idea of an ethereal galactic deity is really interesting.

[narrow geyser]

The lore is really good. Did TGC released it or it's theorized by the players. If it is, it's amazing.

[thin dirge]

Oh, okay. The constellation you see at the end credits after rebirth is believed to be Megabird.
My interpretation for this "deity" tho is that its actually not quite a singular existance. Its the culmination of every living being on Sky, acting as one whole being

[compact shale]

TGC gives snippets of it every now and then, but it's all pretty vague and they allow us to theorize it ourselves.

[narrow geyser]

So it's like cell? Cell in the body or brain?? That's how I understand it works.

[thin dirge]

Its mostly theorized or made up by the players, but there's actually some base game lore by the devs in Sky, just not stated outright and is very vague or hard to figure

[thin dirge]

Err, sort of like that "We are the universe understanding and experiencing itself", except its Megabird, or actually, the Light. (The Light is actually what Orbit or the place where you go to get reborn is called in game)

My own interpretation was that every single existence was born from the Light, and is also a part, or in better words, an incarnation of the Light. When they all come together, they form the Megabird and act as one being. So I guess its a bit like what you said

Also explains the narrator when you first start the game for the first time, who spoke from multiple perspectives rather than one, as if it was a collective being rather than a singular one

[narrow geyser]

Thank you! The idea of Megabird in detail is still vague but I get the whole picture of the relationship with it and of all the things in sky world. Really, thankyou.

[compact shale]

I hope you're having a good experience in lorechat, Uphil.

[narrow geyser]

Yep! Very much! I love stories. Especially theories and mysteries!! Thanks

[lyric isle]

this is slightly ridiculous but uh

the blinking has affected me a lot tbh, including on my perspective on lore

what’s your explanation for it? it is out of reluctance to consider skykids ‘too’ alive, but I’ve ended up with an overly specific headcanon:

the blinking is purely mechanical, it's from the masks in some form activated when you wear them
the masks open skykids' eyes and sorta induce the process (thinking of it like a forced reflex)
they don’t exactly need it, it’s more so an aesthetic thing to reassure the spirits that they too are conscious and the sort
probably an ancestor invention for the sake of being able to read expression with masks on, kinda facial recognition

skykids are to me, conscious golems capable of feeling and thought

their ceramic/stony bodies are more so as exteriors of the light they contain, but are flexible

[compact shale]

If the skykids are made of clay, the light inside them could heat up the clay to make them a bit more flexible for a short amount of time

[lyric isle]

I’m just struggling to understand why they need to (aside from it potentially being simply cute and relatable for some)

was intended to be a thing since the start apparently but was only just fixed as to be able to put it back in

it doesn’t explain spirits. skykids copy after them, so it likely originated from them

[compact shale]

Oh my... DO spirits blink?

[lyric isle]

callback to this from Switch trailer release

[compact shale]

wow they actually animated that

but skykids can only copy what they've seen spirits doing

Do we ever see this in memories?

[lyric isle]

depending on your perspective, fortunately or unfortunately or simply just yes alone

[compact shale]

Wow, our skykids must have fast eyes to see that and be like "well then, guess that's a thing!"

[lyric isle]

only in the cutscenes at the end, or standing next to them and paying enough attention

[compact shale]

Well, those skykids must be paying attention to E V E R Y T H I N G

[lyric isle]

I probably shouldn’t be questioning it, but it’s been upsetting me so in a way I have to make something up to have another way to look at it

[thin dirge]

Im pretty sure blinking is a reflex to skids like to us humans rather than copying it off someone else. There's certain actions the kids do even without learning it off someone else after all (like their actions in Eden)

[lyric isle]

how is it a thing through the mask, then?

[compact shale]

I was thinking of justifying some of those actions but then I realized that I don't care about Distraction theory anymore

[thin dirge]

Speaking of blinking skids

Fun fact: Did you know blinking was actually intended to be a feature for all masks of Sky kids? It had to be removed back then due to animal masks making it a bit messy. Seems like they decided to make it an actual feature now!

[lyric isle]

the idea of “mechanically induced, natural but needing the stimulation” is the most logical explanation I can think of

spirits have actual eyes though, skykids don’t and only have them through masks

[lyric isle]

they fixed it, was always intended to be a thing (as much as it makes me feel complicated ways)! just didn’t have the means to for ages

it makes me feel very differently about the characters in a way I’m not prepared for - makes them feel way more animate and lively and feeling, goes against ideas that I’ve had for too long to let go of

such a small detail but it’s changed a distressing amount of things aaa

[thin dirge]

I think Spirits and Skids do have eyes, thats just how they're designed in game.

I had this thought that maybe skids only appeared to have closed eyes is because you usually lose your mask when you lose your light, and thus your eyes seem closed

Perhaps I had diff ideas about Spirits and Skids from yours, since I always viewed them as lifelike and living (tho, spirits are spirits, they ded)

[lyric isle]

skykids are lifelike, but with limits

spirits are dead yeah, but I do talk a lot about ‘how they were’ in life and comparing

[tulip aspen]

great minds
||think alike||

[tulip aspen]

I just call the deity the Sky lol, it has many names

[compact shale]

I have no idea what your reply means

[tulip aspen]

lmao thats exactly what i assume in my intro analysis, thats awesome to see similar thinking

[tulip aspen]

in my own thinking i really don't think skykids are robots

yes they are "non-biological", but that doesn't mean they are robots (in my thinking)

they blink because they are alive
they are alive as shells with Light inside them

sometimes the answer is just so much more beautiful and fulfilling as a "bru it's magic" so I say they're just made of magic lolol

[tulip aspen]

.....nevermind i like science now this is amazing 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

[compact shale]

just a headcanon tho, don't take it TOO seriously

but still what if resize potions heat us up to make our clay stretch or squish randomly for a bit LMOL

[tulip aspen]

its a headcanon but it does make sense

the best headcanons are ones that streamline along so stylishly with actual canon, not ever denying any previous canon facts

or a less sciency version; the Light moves around inside the clay like a water balloon getting pressure in specific areas to make shapes

[lyric isle]

ooo that’s an interesting way of looking at it

(also skykids aren’t robots, they’re just not entirely like natural creatures if that makes sense)

it is magical, yes, but magic can have logic (to me) too

[compact shale]

I mean, magical series kind of have to establish a sort of physics for it

[lyric isle]

exact point

just…I don’t know. it’s such a small detail, but aside from being one that genuinely freaks me out somewhat, it makes me doubt a lot of ideas

[compact shale]

Well, would you ask a dev in the dev livestream about it?

[lyric isle]

would be very willing to
I’ll probably miss it, can someone do that for me?

[compact shale]

I have a bunch of questions, but I'm also worried that I'll miss it

[lyric isle]

(though I’m very very scared to ask, the answer might be upsetting (i.e. dismantle a lot that I believe in))

[compact shale]

Ignorance is bliss? Eh, I'll take what they give if I ever ask

hopefully some lorepeeps can make it to the next dev stream

[tulip aspen]

that's what i sai-oh they blocked me /:

i tried reacting excitedly with a yes and it says they blocked me ):
what have i done to these people

[lyric isle]

I completely forgot why so not an issue anymore, please don’t worry
what’s your name? yours isn’t showing up for me to tap on

[tulip aspen]

i mean bru it's fine, if you feel safer you feel safer (for some reason?)

I really should stop caring about knowing why all these folks who block me on random whims, I know who I am and if they don't want to hear me then that's their choice

[lyric isle]

ok there, it’s fine now
(I forgot why, I’m so sorry)

[tulip aspen]

fruity frutti frutti do you have a list for the live stream

aiyaaaaa fruity you've been telling me so excitedly about all of the questions you want to ask you should have a list ready

[compact shale]

Unfortunately... I have... ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA

edit: They link to some livestreams in here but I haven't looked through them myself https://docs.google.com/document/d/10ZWJRGiJSrIXgDvJ4pST61moZbVB_hBExUjOaF-pmOE/edit

[lyric isle]

assuming final Flight quest?

can someone please ask about the blinking
though I don’t know if I actually want an answer, it might be one I regret asking for

also, can you ask about Rhythm-Assembly concept art?
I would do anything for streams of that

[tulip aspen]

hey fruity why do you think people don't give much thought about the intros

everyone always thinks there's no information there and they just shrug it off and walk away

[compact shale]

I honestly have no idea

also I've learned from Raider that there's a legitimate way to tell if a spirit appears in someone else's memories (better than hairlogic)

[lyric isle]

prophecy students are separate people is my belief

what?

[tulip aspen]

(I don't even know what hair logic is but do tell )

[compact shale]

Hairlogic is the idea that you can use hairstyle to determine if a spirit appears in memories/places other than their own. I've always thought this to be dubious because with hairlogic you CAN say something like "Sanctuary QG and Home QG are the same ancestor" and get away with it

Here's the conversation and boy is it hefty

Start here #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[tulip aspen]

yeah that's kind of meh, hair logic I mean

[compact shale]

What do you think of the golden spirits thing tho?

[tulip aspen]

thats awesome

raider is a madman

[compact shale]

It proves that at least Slouch is connected to the Canon sky world...

I'M SO SORRY VOLUNTARY!

[tulip aspen]

I already assumed slouch could be an actual character in the kingdom

when you think about it, ALL of them could just be characters actually placable somewhere in the kingdom and it'd fit (except king, and maybe narcissist)

the geologist could have been an actual custodian in the vault or somewhere else for Eden's people

idk where id put the narcissist, but maybe the king is a metaphor for how the actual king of the kingdom here in sky acted

[compact shale]

Hmmmm... devstream maybe?

[tulip aspen]

remember fruity, even if your question gets picked, it'll probably only get picked once

that's why you should list all of your questions and see which one is the best to ask

[icy spruce]

Or narcissist can be Balley (cause I remember a theory on why Narc has the same pants as Balley twin (basically, Narc sees that they are powerful (or high) as the elders so they dressed up as one) and Balley is the capital in concept arts

[neat flint]

There’s concept art that shows each spirit represents each realm

[compact shale]

Yeah I do have a list lol

Is the old intro still canon in any way?
How do skykid's eyes work? Are they blind or not?
What do those inscriptions in Vault say?
What is real and what isn't in the Season of the Little Prince?

[tulip aspen]

the new one has the same lines the old one does, but imo the old one was better, because it was simpler, better phrased, and actually chronological TGC

@icy spruce who's balley?

[compact shale]

Like I said, the new one was an attempt to clarify some things and try to merge the story and game tutorial

(The "as spirits" part was probably trying to make some stuff clearer... um you tried TGC)

(and you also learned from the new intro that Elders might be helping the ancestors ascend)

[icy spruce]

Valley but I keep pressing ‘B’ instead of ‘V’

[tulip aspen]

oh xD

@compact shale you think it's only a "might be" that the elders help them ascend?

[compact shale]

Eh, not sure to be honest

I think the better word is "all but stated"

But yeah, the "as spirits" thing might work for moths, but it doesn't work on the avid lorers HELP

Funny conversation I had in lorechat:

Me: It could be their most prominent/distinctive emotion, just as how their memory might not necessarily be their last one before dying, but their most profound one (someone asked if the spirit memory is their last one)

Mune: Ah yes, walking is a very profound memory indeed (referring to those darn stance spirits)

Me: FRICK

[tulip aspen]

yeah that's why i prefer the "characteristic" theory

its something notably characteristic of them

[compact shale]

Oh

Still it's pretty funny

Though... do you think there's a constraint of what memory can be used? They did die, turn into statues, and can't move, right? So the memory they have has to be somewhat close to where they died, right?

[tulip aspen]

yeah, you're right
it all seems significant of a specific time getting closer to the explosion

[inland cliff]

This may have been ask before but how's the spirit (light citizens) die? War? Age?

[compact shale]

Most believe it to be some sort of calamity related to Eden and corruption.

[solemn bison]

• sits in a corner *
  Don't mind me, I've been thinking about how Wasteland and Valley mimic the feelings and atmosphere of || Eden and Orbit || on a smaller scale, with the danger and devastation and then the calming blue ascent
  Even if Wasteland has || a different color scheme than Eden and Orbit has a lot of magnificence and light ||
  And i wonder if that's part of a bigger scheme by the Vault elder
  They not only prepare the skids at the meditation cutscene, but they start that journey waaay before, in Wasteland

[lyric isle]

well that’s only one confirmed
but nobody said they existed in the same way as seen with the little prince

I don’t want him to be canon in a way that makes the season real aaa

[thin dirge]

Oh yeah... I still remember vividly the wails of despair as lore chat discovered its not our Prince

Btw, me included

[compact shale]

walls of despair lol

[lyric isle]

same
got so excited hearing about a ‘royal visitor’ only to feel my faith in the next few months of Sky plummet instantly (I just knew I wouldn’t enjoy it…sad times…)

Flight restored it, dw

pfft it’s hilarious backreading the sheer despair

[compact shale]

send me a place to start reading the sheer wall of despair

[lyric isle]

here
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[compact shale]

NSDFNDNSFSDHFH THIS IS PRICELESS'

[lyric isle]

paraphrasing a great quote

“Can we have the Prince?”
TGC: “We have the Prince at home”
Prince at home:

[tulip aspen]

slouching soldier being real doesnt instantly make the entire season canon, guys

[sturdy hound]

I'm asking here instead of #questions-and-help because of spoilers

Do you have to go to Eden to get the elder hair or does it show up at Home after you've unlocked the rest of a constellation?

[tulip aspen]

Eden, every time
so if you want dat wig, u gonna have to do the death thing

[sturdy hound]

Oof

[tulip aspen]

and remember, you can only unlock the elder hair by buying out every single spirit in the realm's constellation

[distant turtle]

What if the crabs are really rocks that have shards of power diamond or byproduct of this in them, so the rocks woke up and became crabs. But they’re dark because of what happened.

The only thing I can think of about their walk is that they close eyes and look like rocks again.

[rigid mural]

What about the sanctuary crabs ? Genuine question, interested to see your take on them.

[grave bone]

Birb? (might just be wierd clipping but it looked like bird lol)

[frigid tinsel]

Looks like a derelict ship, like the ones that ferry up the mountain

[lethal stump]

if they were rocks why would spirits eat them...?

[hushed steeple]

Spirits like food with crunch :] or maybe they gain weird flesh when they become alive

[boreal nebula]

i know the leading interpretation is just derelict boat .. but to me it looks like an origami crane

Mm do we have any idea what this new addition is?

[cunning shell]

I don’t know what it is. But it looks like it’s asking for a hug 😛

[tidal valve]

I think it was called a buddy statue in beta updates?

some people think its to help server merge to help open player doors butttt... I’m not sure

[hushed steeple]

Doubt, it’s the only one in all the realms, unless these statues show up at other realms I hope it gets used for something special

[compact shale]

I don't get it?

How does it help?

[frigid tinsel]

I heard of this. Supposedly it would help solo players unlock two-player doors.

[compact shale]

H o w t h o

[frigid tinsel]

[hushed steeple]

I’ll try it next time im angry no one appears

[boreal bane]

i wonder how that boat ended up in the hidden forest's social space, is it from daylight prairie?

[sharp shore]

dunno how much this counts as lore but

ive used some of the elder's (now fanon) names in their greek form in math

[compact shale]

Can relate

I've used a certain bible verse to mess with lorechat

[lusty merlin]

God I remeber that

[sharp shore]

like forest elder (Teth)'s name is Tetha in greek which is basically what i use for graphing sine graphs

also ive used the vault elder's name (Lamed) --> Lambda for like uhhhhh physics i think?? also prob chemistry

[lusty merlin]

Elders be everywhere ig

[compact shale]

Can someone make a meme edit of this

[sharp shore]

oh yeah i used lambda for physics yeah

[tulip aspen]

there are boats in forest tho

since they fly boats could be in the skies above anywhere, and have just fallen and crashed

[tulip aspen]

sounds like they mean it'll actually force server merges, just like we always thought deep calls did
if they want to give us manual server merge options then just make deep calls actually do that smh

[compact shale]

Yeah it would make sense for deep calls to actually cause server merges

That's one of the purposes of calls- to call beings/creatures towards your location

(Why do they need to put a thingie to force server merges tho? It can't be an invisible thing in the code?)

[harsh pecan]

Maybe they just like eating rocks-

[abstract berry]

early concept art by tom zhao might or might not help for lore

https://www.tomzhao.com/sky1

corrupt king

[compact shale]

There is meat under the rocks?

[harsh pecan]

So…they have to remove the rocks just to eat the meat inside??

[compact shale]

Well I'm guessing they have a really thick rock shell that they crack to get the meat inside, but that's just a headcanon

[harsh pecan]

That’s possible

[compact shale]

Might wanna search up how actual crabs work

[harsh pecan]

Ye

[tulip aspen]

maybe they work like Darkness poppers from events like geyser and stuff and if you heat it up enough it'll pop and give wax

once they get heated up enough they just explode, and sky kids would never do this to crabs because that'd be unwholesome game wise but clearly with non holy Light the spiritsimeanancestorslookfruityseeididaTGC need to let it cook for quite some time

[harsh pecan]

Oooo

[compact shale]

I think that's the reason why they roast it on a spit.

If we light them up (yes I've tried this) on a campfire directly they eventually disintegrate.

By roasting them on a spit they can cook the crab without disintegrating it. It's a low-and-slow cooking method.

I also believe that Dark Dust Poisoning is Sky's equivalent of food poisoning, which you can get when you eat raw crab. So you have to wash the crab to get the dark dust off their skin, then roast it to burn off their internal darkness.

[tulip aspen]

perhaps lol

i kinda just still dont wanna believe theyre made of meat

[lyric isle]

I don’t want to believe anything in Sky is tbh

I’m…I’m watching things on animatronic facial recognition/replication of facial expressions to try to understand how the masks blinking work in headcanon, of all things

the lengths I go
it’s fascinating but just…I dunno

[compact shale]

I mean, they have a rock shell, right? What would the ancestors eat from the crab? Rocks?

[exotic berry]

I had thought the murals in the caves near the ark ( ) showed the first dark crabs appearing - more or less that they’re a byproduct of pollution or a corruption of a creature that was already there.

Someone here also said that one of the devs said that krill and dark crabs are linked - that they’re related in some way, either very close species-wise or one is an immature form of the other.

[lethal jasper]

Krill evolve to crab

You just see this massive dragon thing come from a crab egg-

[exotic berry]

Also, dunno if it’s still being passed around, but @pseudo heart did a couple of extensive charts detailing Manta stages/anatomy (unrelated to present convo) and types of boats (vaguely related) found throughout Sky.

And the funnier version would be the crabs are using the krill like dancers use the dragons in parades on Chinese New Year. Just one big puppet filled with angry pseudo-crustaceans.

[lethal jasper]

YHEDGCDC YOU BRING ONE DOWN AND ITS JUST angy crab sounds

[cunning shell]

Krill being a bunch of crabs in a costume is canon in my mind now lol

[exotic berry]

Like the pit in the Creaky Cauldron area, yeah. A piñata of pain and squeaks.

[lethal jasper]

Its like three kobalds in a trench suit but just insert the anger of a burning white star

Off topic but I also would like to say

Yknow the heartless from kingdom hearts and krobus from stardew valley?
Thats what i imagine the sky kids look like without the mask and their eyes open.

Imagine them as just,,little dudes,,

[tulip aspen]

just because they're not biological that doesn't mean they're robots either

I still think they're
just magic

and @compact shale , I don't know, I still think the ancestors would be shelled light creatures, if my depiction of them originally growing up from CotL were to be correct

I just can't see them needing a reason to eat anything

as for the reason why the crabs are there at all getting cooked, I'm still not sure I have always honestly seen that little campfire as more of a decoration so I'd have to think a bit more about this

[compact shale]

I mean, it is used in Pleaful's memory so they at least did SOMETHING with the crabs

[lethal jasper]

I think itd be funny if crabs could in fact be cooked, because imagine like. A chibi spirit/sky kid tackling one to cook and consume-

[exotic berry]

Isn’t there a spirit like that?

Yeah, Handstanding Thrillseeker ( whose emote I can’t seem to find ). No mask, eyes shown.

[lyric isle]

it is just the masks that would be robotic regarding this, but I am putting too much thought into this

…maybe crabs are used otherwise if ancestors don’t eat? for different resources

[cunning shell]

Maybe there’s candle juice inside the crabs

[tulip aspen]

exactly, so who knows
I still think they might hold wax in them

[tulip aspen]

yeah I think that could be the case too

[lyric isle]

for which part

[compact shale]

So ancestors also used candles as currency?

[tulip aspen]

no prolly not, and it's just bits and pieces of an assumption anyway

[compact shale]

I've written a few scenarios that say that ancestors did use candles as a currency

I don't actually believe they do, it's just that I can't think of anything else they might've used

[frigid tinsel]

think I've mentioned this before but bears repeating: I think they skykids' economy operates in light/light magic and utilizes candles as a medium for their currency. Kinda like how irl money ($¢£¥) utilizes bills, coins, checks, or debit cards.

[harsh pecan]

If they did then that would either make Pointing Candlemaker rich or a criminal, idk about rich tho since their workspace is literally a cave

[compact shale]

Good point, though I can't think of anything better as a currency so when I write brainrot I just say it's candles.

[harsh pecan]

Same

[distant turtle]

I don’t want to reply to hours old message but the crab disguise was called crab rock trick spell. Why not just call it crab trick spell? I think the spirits would eat them because they probably have a chewy light center under their rock shells

[compact shale]

Yeah that could be the case

A chewy center made out of whatever it is

though I think the "rock" part of the name is how the DISGUISE is made of rock, but maybe the actual crab isn't

[distant turtle]

My guess based on that cryptic hint about crab walk cycle being lore relevant, is that crabs are clay or rock that contains discarded power diamond bits or byproducts. This gives them life, in a similar way that mantas and birds are born out of the clouds. But, they are of the ground not clouds, because their life giving spark is the ancestors’ material.

The reason I think this is that the only peculiar thing about crab walk cycle is that their eyes close and legs retract when they pause, making them look inanimate.

[frigid tinsel]

hostile crabs are covered in bits of darkness while passive crabs are clean. It's likely the crabs' form is unchanged but their behavior is corrupted by the presence of darkness, making them hostile, like a hurt animal lashing out.

[distant turtle]

If crab life force was power diamond dust, then they would be especially prone to corruption as they scavenge darkstone dust in the marshes of GW.

[compact shale]

I've once had a thought that crabs are failed darkstone experiments that came to life. Crabs have a very different look in the Switch trailer, you should check it out. LOL

[harsh pecan]

Did they only eat crabs?

[distant turtle]

I wonder what Grandma cooks up

[compact shale]

They definitely ate some sort of veggie/fruit/grain, there's a tilled farm in Ark

What IS that veggie/fruit/grain? no idea

[frigid tinsel]

the farm at the Forgotten Ark seems to have been made out of desperation.

this is reminding me of that one tumblr post that claims skykids and the ancestors are/were carnivores.

[compact shale]

I think it's queso de bola but coated with white wax instead of red wax (don't take my word for it this is not lore)

@frigid tinsel I agree with the desperation part but idk about carnivores

[frigid tinsel]

the carnivore part draws on the absence of any other agricultural fields in any of the realms aside from the attempted farm at the Ark, which said before seems to have been made out of desperation. I'll see if I can track down the post.

[compact shale]

Oooh... it is implied from a PIN poem that Prairie is an agricultural realm tho

[harsh pecan]

So they’re omnivores?

[frigid tinsel]

found it: https://abhorrenttheorizer.tumblr.com/post/667537680845897728/

[frigid tinsel]

would love a season set in a farm that showed how the kingdom fed itself.

[compact shale]

YEET

[rigid mural]

They got silos in bird nest

[compact shale]

Those are silos?

[rigid mural]

They certainly aren't built like houses; birds may have first come here because of the abandoned grains.

[compact shale]

oooh

I wonder where they grew the grains tho

[frigid tinsel]

it's probably still covered by clouds

[rigid mural]

From the temple, you can see the area above the caves are green and flat.
And as Alasdair pointed out, the realm is covered by clouds so it's very possible we are fluttering above them but the clouds hide them.

[supple ledge]

(So i have a very basic knowledge of this game's lore, and i guess its mostly up for interpretation anyway so thake this with a grain of salt.)
Based on how much of the kingdom's culture seems to include those jars with light in em, i would assume that they kinda fed off light in a way. The jars primarily appear in the prairie and the vault (of knowledge). So perhaps light is the knowledge being referred to, and the creatures contained in the jars (i remember at least one jar that you can burn a lid off of and butterflies come out) are a source of that light.
Though theres a grain field at the ark so idunno.

[rigid mural]

I think rice fields can take on interesting shapes when on the side of hills or mountains, def the kind of landscape that would fit in prairie imo

[frigid tinsel]

I don’t think these are silos. It’s called Bird’s Nest for a reason. Yes, they’re not built for humans (skykid for scale against this little door), they’re probably for birds/mantas. Like big bird houses. Entrances at the top and bottom for small, winged flying creatures.

(yes I quickly logged on and flew over to Bird's Nest to take these reference photos, thank me later)

[compact shale]

Ohhh birdhouses

Yeah seems plausible

I guess those stair things are perches then

[frigid tinsel]

also it seems very impractical to store silos away from the farm and on floating islands. You'd had to travel by boat and risk your entire crop falling into the void due to high winds or something

[compact shale]

Come to the void, we have wheat /lh

[rigid mural]

The bird whisperer does use the stairs to climb up these towers and feed birds. But why keep birds and mantas there ?

[compact shale]

Because farming reasons! (power juice? nahh probably not)

[frigid tinsel]

bird houses serve more of a shelter rather than long-term storage

[harsh pecan]

What’s the point of the door if you can’t get in or out

[frigid tinsel]

the door is prob for birds/mantas/other small creatures to get in or out, perhaps especially for those too big to fit through the smaller openings on top

[compact shale]

I don't think that door can even fit a pygmy manta, but yeah it's probably for birds... or their waste products

[harsh pecan]

Why is it blocked tho

[frigid tinsel]

to keep chibis out /hj
the towers look very derelict, a waylaid stone prob fell and covered the entrance. Also devs might not want players going inside and getting stuck.

[icy spruce]

laughs in tiny spell

[supple ledge]

Honk it!
Time for KrimsonKartoffel's probably-easily-refutible-if-you-actually-pay-attention-to-the-game plotline post! (That no one asked for. +ratio'd +i fell off)
So, in the beginning. The light. The STARS! They were once united! This is said in game, so we are fine so far. But some of the stars fell/left.
So what is the light? The life force. The de-facto deity of this universe.
So what do stars do irl? They burn until they blow up and become either nebulae which become other things, or black holes, which make fewer other things.

But enough about astronomy. Some stars broke away and became the world of sky, as compared to space. As light is the life force, it made life. The spirits.
(To be comtinued)

The spirits lived peacefully, growing culture, knowledge, power. They had it all man. And with light creatures hangin about, they had it made, with light being both a form of sustance and a means to obtain cosmic knowlege.

But all good things must come to a close. A bitter and dark close. A discovery was made. The spirits discovered that they came from the stars and effort was made to return to them. (This is where the king looks like a jerk, but hes a good bloke.) They lacked winged light, the key to reaching orbit and tried to fabricate sonething to bridge the gap. The diamond of eden. A massive powersuck that consumed light. By trying to fly too close to the sun in a proverbial sense, the diamond went out of control. Causing anything near it to shoot into the heavens, but come crasing down as the light is drained of it. (No light, no flight, ya dig?)

So ok, no flight, no big deal. Except it was a big deal. What is a light creature with no light? Dark, thats what. As life was sapped by the diamond, the deficit grew, it killed the land and corrupted the creatures of light. Krills and crabs and irremovable baobabs darkness plants forced the spirits to act to defend their home. Unfortunately, this was hopeless. The diamond still remained haywire, the darkness unkillable. The kingdom doomed...

Enter the skykids, not the ones we play as, but kinda before us players. The glowy givers of winged light that we know and love. They were the only things that could contain the darkness even if they couldn't revert the corrupted creatures. They managed to reconfine the darkness primarily to the wasteland. But by then, it was too late for the spirit people.
(To be continued once more.)

[icy spruce]

BAOBABS AHAHAHAHAHAH

[supple ledge]

Enter the skykids again!
Except its us this time, and the creatures of light have been hard at work putting things back in order. So we find the spirits in a slightly less living and more statue-y ghost-y state. And now we gotta also transport winged lights back to our predecessors so they can regroup and keep throwing light at the diamond until it stops. Our job ain't done until the light is all back together again like a great big happy bird family.

Tldr: the spirits left parent's house, had a good time and got in trouble, so now their younger siblings who actually have a ride home need to bail em out and stop their haywire car from wrecking everything.

[supple ledge]

I may or may not have written this entire post to write that sentence.

[icy spruce]

I believe you

[jovial sail]

oh god im so sorry i didn’t realize this was the lore channel

[compact shale]

Nice theory, my favorite part is the TLDR

[tulip aspen]

@compact shale
did.... this person just make my intro analysis enjoyable to understand...?

[compact shale]

?!?!

Including the "glowy givers of winged light" part?

[tulip aspen]

...no but the beginning of their message is eerily similar to my takes lmao

especially the part where they say the intro/game obviously says all of this

[tulip aspen]

it would then be definitely waste products
birds wouldnt use a ground based entrance

tbh, i have a hard time believing that's actually a door and not just a random detail yall are putting a lot into

[boreal bane]

just thought of a small headcanon for belonging grandma. Right before the eden explosion happened, grandma and hair tousle teen were waiting for the rest of the family to go to sunny forest for dinner. When the explosion happened, they felt a shockwave. Sensing that something was wrong, grandma sent hair tousle teen to the underground cavern to keep them safe. Grandma intended on going in as well once the rest of the family arrived, but they never did.

[supple ledge]

Tbh, i kinda came up with all of that on the spot. So great minds think alike? Agreed tho, mine is suspiciously similar.

[tulip aspen]

woh, u know about my analysis?

[supple ledge]

I looked after you mentioned it, dont know if i found the right one

[hushed steeple]

I'm not crying, i just got a Krill in my eye

[hushed steeple]

There is no such thing as perfect angst--

[harsh pecan]

Thanks you made me sad

[upbeat rampart]

Cutting up dark plants and taking those lights, putting them in the fireplace as they "mould" into a form and give it to the players after it creates a crust around itself eventually?

[midnight owl]

I mean, it makes sense when you think about it

Gratitude really is a tragic season. We're told to "reunite/call the family back" so they never saw each other before they died?

[hushed steeple]

Gratitude like who is being grateful to/for what though? /gen
I wasn't around for the season, so…

[hushed steeple]

Do you mean Belonging?

[tulip aspen]

@compact shale supports my crab food gives wax thingy lolol 👀 👀

[tulip aspen]

yeah i feel belonging was more about appreciating family in general lol, we don't know enough detail to assume it's a detailed tragic story

[upbeat rampart]

Sorry, I can't imagine Grandma cutting crabs (if that's what you mean--crabs basically the waxfood from non-candle way)

[rain lance]

hello lore chat! I came back with another small theory!

I think, spirit folk is (was?) worshiping knowledge and light (and probably elders). In support of my knowledge worshiping theory I say that Valut of knowledge is in fact a temple of knowledge - huge library walls of which covered in "memory crystals" - "books" of sky world. Spirits seen there are more likely monks (polite schoolar, memory whisperer) and priests(wise grandpa, praying, meditation,etc). Priests of knowledge most likely weared hoods(elder's hairstyle), blue or white capes(that's why they soo expensive for us) and this headgear (see the picture attached). Monks' activities were mostly praying, practicing magic (meditation, telekinesis) and going around to study animals behavior (that's why there are so many bald whisperers around sky realms)

[rain lance]

Aggreed
(my head canon was that crabs have rabbies but this theory is much better)

[tulip aspen]

no no its more about wax being cooked and maybe ate or used or something by the ancestors

[boreal nebula]

interesting turn. I never thought about the bald whisperers to be scholars too

[topaz steppe]

I have a question, but i don’t know where to ask it: Are flight guide and rythm guide related? Please i need answers

[hushed steeple]

I would be surprised if they didnt know each other somehow

[topaz steppe]

I just need to know or they like siblings or cousins in some sort, or maybe childhood best friends, or romantic partners (just sayin-)

[rain lance]

SPOILER ALERT!!!!!!

If you completed all constellations and brought all elders to eden orbit it means your sky kid finished their mission. Coz in starting Isle cutscene was told something about returning "fallen stars" to the sky (I'm sure they ment spirits and elders)

[hushed steeple]

Flight guide is Ayin’s (Prarie elder) apprentice. Maybe she was part of rhythm troupe or rhythm troupe preformed for Ayin or something for them to meet and rock the same fashions?

[rain lance]

I don't know about Flight and Rhythm guides...but Rhythm guide is DEFINITELY related to Marching Adventurer spirit (Assembly spirit with eye patch). They are wearing same mask

[next hamlet]

Oh! I've been having questions about the whole apprentice thing, what does it mean?

[rain lance]

probably being a student who will overtake teacher's job later

[next hamlet]

Does that imply that they were training to be an elder or something?

[hushed steeple]

More that they where training under an elder to be a community pillar or something. I don’t think ancestors could become elders.

[rain lance]

I'm confused about mask patterns and what they could represent. Assembly masks are "mirroring" light seekers masks and there are masks with same patterns and rhythm guide wears same mask as marching adventurer

[next hamlet]

I see, thank you!

[topaz steppe]

I know the theory that the spirits from the light seakers season are the parents of the spirits in assembly (not sure about the rythm mask thing tho-)

[rain lance]

It differs...
if we assume that Elders are gods then it means him training flight guide to become high priest
if Elders are mere "realm mayors" then Flight guide gonna be the next elder

[rain lance]

Could be. Also could be that mask shows an occupation or caste where spirit in

[topaz steppe]

Not sure what you mean

[rain lance]

but I don't think that sir Rhythm and Marching Adventurer is the same person. No way that we're helping the same guy twice

[topaz steppe]

I don’t think so, that would mean that there are double of the same, at the same time???

[rain lance]

in tribal society people could wear masks with different patterns, where each pattern could represent a job, wealth and status of a person (aka different patterns for hunters, farmers and shamans)

[rain lance]

yeah. But in my opinion it couldn't be double of the same in same time

[topaz steppe]

Hmm, i never thought of that, but i see what you mean, there is indeed some patterns repairing in some groups of spirits. So ya why not

[topaz steppe]

Oh i ment “i donn’t think so either” I was just agreeing that it couldn’t be rythm guide in double

[rain lance]

adding up to mask discussion:
Belonging family must be wealthy they have jewel pendants on a forehead

White masks with blue markings of light seekers could represent belonging to the same tribe or worshiping the same god (I'll speculate that they worshiping light)

Black masks with orange markings represent belonging to forest tribe

And Rhythm crew are just travelling performers

Not sure about Gratitude spirits though

And default mask of sky kids showing "enlightenment" (that's why there's glowing "thrid eye")

[topaz steppe]

Makes sense to me

I didn’t look to much in to it, but maybe signs (like different types of stripes) would be related to family, or to passions/jobs. Maybe when they are young, they can where masks that mirror the once of their parents and when they grow up, they have the choice to change the mask as a sign of taking a new path (like havingg a different “job” )

[rain lance]

maybe...and default masks of regular spirits are masks of "Elder worshipers"
(If we assume that "Elders are gods" theory is true)

[topaz steppe]

Yeah makes sence

[hardy venture]

OoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoH lOrE

[compact shale]

Jam I don't have any real theories about the food in Grandma's event - if I said anything about it that was a headcanon

[hardy venture]

Grandma’s food is poisoned ._.

[compact shale]

The what-

[lyric isle]

ooo, mask marking theory? sounds fun

[hardy venture]

Grandma food is so poisoned

[rain lance]

Why?

[hardy venture]

Idk ask her

[rain lance]

Don't be sour about not getting wax after 3-4 time "eating"

[nimble ingot]

yup and then you still get reborn and do it all over agian.

The mission may be more focused on getting all of the spirits, including the seasonal ones.
So, while there are more seasons to be had, a skykid's work is not done.

[hardy venture]

Lol I think I just triggered a community I’m not sorry XD

[compact shale]

The trudgery of the mission we have to complete...

Wait, is there a special cutscene that shows when you've completed all elders?

[rain lance]

getting all spirits...including seasonal...work would be NEVER done some guides decided to stay

[nimble ingot]

As far as I can tell, ||no. And I do have all elders unlocked.||

[compact shale]

SERIOUSLY?!

[rain lance]

You didn't triggered me. You just gave me opportunity to joke about limited number of wax from dinners

[nimble ingot]

just saving them by reliving their memories should be enough, if not a start, unless I am mistaken.

[hardy venture]

Cya losers I gotta go rob grandma of all her wax B)

[nimble ingot]

you just missed her 😐

[rain lance]

lol... them trying SOO HARD to trigger

[simple cove]

please ignore them and move on with your lore discussion, any further disruptive behavior should be reported in #contact-the-mods
love you all!

[storm lynx]

KING EDEN COMMING NEXT SEASON 💯% REAL OMG😳😳😳😳😳😳😯😧😧

[compact shale]

A start towards what?

[nimble ingot]

fun fact.
There MIGHT have been a reward for completing all of the elders. But that was in light awaits and I dont have the proof to support my claim.

My theory of light awaits is there would have been a chance to get an elder reward that is not in the game, the Prince's Eden crown.
Though, based on what I read about the light awaits game development. The crown was removed due to hackers wearing it and it being a late game item.
However, there could have been other reasons.

[compact shale]

Oooooh

So maybe back then the end was that you'd be deemed worthy of becoming the new ruler of Sky?

[tidal valve]

I feel like the currency would change depending on what era of sky we’re in, the beginning they worshipped fire so I’d assume that they wouldn’t have had any currency, they just all would’ve been like monks, then after a while sky starts to evolve with the discovery of power diamonds, valley is filled with gold, they probably had actual minerals as currency

I can’t really imagine candles as currency as it was once a form of worship? But also, we use candles to upgrade friendship with other spirits to help them ascend back to the megabird, I feel like it would be against that idea if you had to buy that?

[compact shale]

Yeah, like I said I don't actually believe in candle money, but I guess mineral coins were in back then so I guess that's better? No evidence for any currency tho, even tho there's evidence of shops for ancestors.

Wait a minute... unless... barter trade.

[tidal valve]

I feel like during the valley era there had to have been some form of currency, since in concept art it depicts the different houses as being apart of the different class systems

Residential, working class, wealthy,

in order for those systems to exist there has to be some sort of power balance with currency, or whatever else spirits felt had some sort of wealth?

[compact shale]

Agh, that's right.

But why are we unable to find any of it?

[tidal valve]

Also, with your silo idea, I do agree, in prairie concept art it shows an area that looks very similar to birdsbest and says that they were refugee for light creatures/ water/ food!

[nimble ingot]

towards completing our mission as skykids. (at least that is the working theory)

[tidal valve]

Yeah! It’s on https:tomzhao.com I’m making a google doc of basic in game lore and when I have to time I’ll make a section of valley (-:

[tulip aspen]

noooo, about my theory of crabs popping like darkness poppers
when we were talking about crab anatomy

[compact shale]

No no, I mean how the hell have we never found any coins or anything?

[tidal valve]

ooh, I mean i think of different class systems as needing currency, but they probably have another idea of it

Maybe your just born into a system and it stays like that

But, there are miners in sky, so maybe some spirits had to work in the mines to get dark stone?

It doesn’t show them earning money from it but I guess it could be evidence of spirits having to work?

Oh! Maybe they traded light as currency? There are jars all around sky and they traded them between the realms with boats,

There are also fireworks in crates in some areas as well

.... this is a bit of a stretch though not even sure if I’d believe in this either

[tacit lake]

YO QUICK I NEED HELP are the whale and the Elder Manta in Sanctuary the same or different creatures. I'm talking about this to a friend.

[nimble ingot]

whale and manta are different species

[tacit lake]

Thanks!

[compact shale]

Eh, maybe this isn't the right time. Maybe the next season will give us some more clues.

[thin dirge]

I dont think this was the reason why the crown was removed from game. What you're talking about is how it got removed from game files (or at least, sounds very similar to what I heard about it)

From what I know, it was actually removed long ago for unknown reasons. (Perhaps due to lore changes, doesnt fit in the game anymore, etc)
However, it was still in the game files so hackers kept getting it and using it as some milestone achievement thing for hacking Sky. The crown as a result, was removed from the game files, so its now no longer accessible even by hackers

This is what I heard from a community elder or a dev a long time ago, so yeah

Unless Im confusing what you said with something else

[wooden crypt]

@candid scroll here you go

[hushed steeple]

I heard that this was just given to hackers although that a super cool theory idea thingy

I don’t think it was given to hackers, more that they where the only ones able to access it.

Since it appeared in promo materials

[upbeat rampart]

Then I support, since I believe in something similar too hhh

[harsh pecan]

Ohh that one

[icy spruce]

eden crown will be missed

[compact shale]

It could've signified the end of our path...

Oh Eden crown...

[harsh pecan]

😔

[upbeat rampart]

..holy King I didn't realise that filling your tree with friends (6 dot ones) resembled something close to Prince/King

[compact shale]

Yeah it does

[harsh pecan]

It sure does 👍

[upbeat rampart]

So connections of constellation to King/Prince:

Crown: Our main constellation is similar to the crown we see in Prince/King's cutscene area
The Light: "The Light" is the canonical name of Orbit (at least as far as I know), which is also the name of our main friends group.
The marking of our friend's constellation: It is marked by the sams 3 skykids you see when you look up in Orbit.
The additional dots in our friendship tree with someone: They go up to 6 in number (I don't think there could be more), which goes on to look like the Prince/King

[frigid tinsel]

So I noticed this symbol over the fire in the seasonal area of Forest before the caverns.

I know symbols mean a lot and are everywhere, though I couldn’t kick this one out of mind. It kept demanding attention. Why?

Well when I was lighting up friends, I noticed this.

Look at their chest

[compact shale]

That symbol's associated with the Season of Belonging. It's also seen in Vault, though I don't know what it means.

[upbeat rampart]

Yeah, and even their backs iirc

And there's one in Valley area, the gates...at least the pattern looked similar to that, probably just common a lot?

[frigid tinsel]

It’s only on their default clothes

[upbeat rampart]

And in promo vids or probably the past, the capes also had those symbols
And Elders

[compact shale]

It looks like a diamond symbol... like a power diamond...?

Skykids are said to be a hybrid of light and dark, maybe this symbol could hint to us also having some darkness?

[frigid tinsel]

It’s similar to the Season of Belonging symbol but not as detailed

[naive sequoia]

What was Season of Belonging about again?

[compact shale]

A family.

[frigid tinsel]

From the wiki:

Welcome to the Season of Belonging. A family of six Spirits will make their way to the kingdom of Sky! The Spirits have been scattered across the Kingdoms of Sky, but now they need your help bringing the family back together. Why don’t you grab a friend or two and explore all six Sky kingdoms to discover where each Spirits went?

[naive sequoia]

Hnngh I'm too sleep deprived to theorize about possible connections rn

[compact shale]

My theory is that they want to complete the family reunion but the stars fell before they could get together

[harsh pecan]

The grandma was lonely for a lot of years :(

[compact shale]

I think Grandma just wants to have a reunion again

That's what the dinner is for

they had a dinner but they never served it, so we help her by becoming a new part of her family and partaking in the dinner

[frigid tinsel]

I wasn’t around for Belonging, but I would imagine by the premise that the family did get together in end, just as spirits.

[compact shale]

Note: I'm using the "Last Wish" theory here, basically we're helping spirits by helping them do things they were meaning to do in the Kingdom but couldn't because of the starfall

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[harsh pecan]

If there was some spirit that wanted to conquer the Sky kingdom, do we have to help them do it to honour their last wish therefore allowing them to ascend?

[compact shale]

Well... we're just lucky that we never have to assist in murder or vengeance like some ghosts do...

We may have developed empathy but I'm not entirely sure if we have conscience...

[harsh pecan]

Ohh yea

[true basin]

Just a little thought

I noticed Sky lore is almost just as vague as Minecraft lore and we are just put into this world doing what we gotta do.

Murals, the different subtle clues in places and names of items and such in gameplay that you don't know exactly what the heck is going on here, but you just play and go on with whatever your goal is.

Also, I've heard that sky lore is pretty dark. Can any of you tell me theories that support this claim? I'm curious

[compact shale]

Terraria lore USED TO be as vague as Sky lore.

Devs already released the Terraria backstory for the 8th anniversary.

[harsh pecan]

The kingdom fell at the hands of its King (maybe) and greed, now we are stuck in an endless loop of life and death, flying through the ruins of the once flourishing kingdom of Sky

The God that has given us life may not be as benevolent as we think…

[true basin]

I was expecting darker

I've heard of theories that when our ancestors discovered diamond magic they mined them out of the ground and used light creatures to power them up.

[harsh pecan]

Yea

[compact shale]

The end of our mission is still far from even being in our sights. Unlocking all the elder hairs tells you nothing. The clouds block our way to other spirits that we still have to reach to complete our mission. We're clearly not done yet...

Idk it's dark enough for me

[tulip aspen]

well first off we know everyone is dead
so yeah its kinda dark, maybe just a little xD

there was also some kind of war

and then also, the worst part ive heard so far is confirmed, Children of the Light that fell from the Sky (*that were born) were basically kidnapped and (MAYBE) forced to partake in the trials inside your mind, which, if you failed, canonically either killed you or made you indefinitely incapacitated

that's all we canonically know

you'll also find everyone's headcanons are extreme and scary as hek

fruity has some good scary ones

[true basin]

I would love darker lore yes please feed me the horrors

[compact shale]

Oh dear, this theory/headcanon really needs to be reborn due to new information but...

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[true basin]

Interesting

[frigid tinsel]

a) the ancestors may have hunted light creatures to create power diamonds. The Forest and Wasteland temples were reconvened as factories for that cause. The jars around the map were used to store light creatures to be shipped to those factories.

b) while ascending to Orbit after dying in Eden may be immediate for gameplay purposes, in universe skykids petrified in Eden may be frozen there for days, weeks, or even months waiting for another skykid to come by and gift them wl to ascend. They may or may not be conscious during that time.

c) drawing off the previous one, going to Eden to free your fellow skykids is a futile cycle since youre constantly hemorrhaging winged light thus cannot save every petrified skykid there. Plus someone would have to come die to save you yourself. Thus it’s impossible to save every skykid.

d) darkness (pollution, corruption, and the storm raging at Eden) is impossible to stop. Skychildren have inherited a world irrevocably broken by the ancestors.

[frigid tinsel]

The symbol is on the guitar and piano too

[signal echo]

that's on the guitar however diamond symbolism like on the piano and in fact seasonal logos is all over the game and it definitely isn't a coincidence

[tulip aspen]

that's all pretty heavily headcanon but still cool

[tulip aspen]

i think it's on the guitar cos that's the season is from yee

wait but it's on the piano??
hmmmmmm

[craggy wraith]

Why did the Kingdom fall, from my travels and reading, what I've gathered is that, There was a group of tribes people, they utilized fire and used it as energy. However as time went on, they became more advanced, and discovered something called "Darkstone" They started to abandon fire and their connection with life in favor of Darkstone. Eventually this one guy, (A king of sorts) rose to power and had like the most control out of the "Darkstone" but eventually he became corrupt and destroyed his whole society. Idk how much of this is correct, but that's what I've gathered thus far.

[frigid tinsel]

Of course it’s headcanon. With canon lore is so scarce, most of the lore is gonna be headcanon

[compact shale]

Lore is a tumbleweed, tumblin' around...

[upbeat rampart]

One I believe and will always have a special place in my heart even if the canon is possibly not going to agree with:

King/Prince probably was not fully developed to handle the kingdom, decided to please people and in the end since he believed adults knew it better, lost control of his kingdom to his advisors as they planned, then then the whole kingdom went down, with people blaming him for whatever had happened.

So he couldn't really ascend and go to the other folks (Elders, the ones who had ascended before and/or Megabird), nor could he come back to his former land as one person. So as time passed, his "soul shards" were now skykids and winged lights, and that's what he could do as an attempt to rescue the spirits he caused pain to, and save himself at last, which was very futile so he reborn again. And again. To first save the spirits he caused damage to, then himself, out of which only spirits were somewhat save-able.

Also Elders here are mostly dead, they however left some bits of magic (and memories) behind. They were in a state between life-or-death, yes, but that was during their first meets. After that, their original "corpses" were fully broken with time, and Megabird let the Elders in after thinking that they "repent" their mistakes.

[harsh pecan]

😭

[boreal bane]

headcanon, the seasonal pendants are gifts created by the questgivers as a thank you to the sky kids for helping them fulfill their wish

[compact shale]

Daww...

when did they create it tho? When they were alive, or when they were dead?

[boreal bane]

hmm, probably when they were dead

[compact shale]

Out of what

[boreal bane]

gold?

[upbeat rampart]

What if they created it in their (qg's) last moments, hoping that someone could find their necklace and would go around to see what had happened, therefore rescuing/freeing them?

[compact shale]

Hmmmm... I doubt you'd actually need to fulfill their wish before getting the necklace, AP holders get it immediately without doing anything

[upbeat rampart]

Also do you all think that darkness affects them on the same time or there could be a generation gap?

[compact shale]

Well... we think that the dark storm might've spread through the realms slowly, so no I don't think everyone died at the same time, though maybe everyone died in the same time periiod

[upbeat rampart]

Hm.

I was just wondering if Usher could be Point's kid or something
I mean it's core memory anyways, that could work

[compact shale]

Oh. Have you ascended Usher yet? If so, they should have a more golden tinge. If you have, you can check Point's memory. If their kid also has a golden tinge, then this proves you right.

[upbeat rampart]

Unfortunately I tried and apparently it wasn't the same...which is disappointing but I was wondering if (young) kid versions of themselves were naturally blue

But that's probably not the case hhh

[compact shale]

Alright. That proves that they're not the same.

Did you read Raider's thing about golden spirits?

[upbeat rampart]

If it's about ascended spirits appearing yellow in other's memories, then yes. I also believe in them because of observing Slouch's memories myself and seeing Vela's screenshot about it (I can't seem to find that ss again)

[compact shale]

Hmm. So we've used this to prove that Slouch is real. Ok. So... can we apply this golden-light knowledge to anyone else?

[upbeat rampart]

not sure, will have to relive some more spirits to check

[rigid mural]

@upbeat rampart here you go, flattered you remembered !

[compact shale]

This is an absolute breakthrough, Vela! I do hope Slouch isn't the only use, though...

[rigid mural]

Another spirit with the same kind of detail is Piggyback Lightcatcher in Isle, which features the spirit (and another featureless one). I recently relived it with Raider to show him they seem to be the ones that placed the orbs on that miniature boat...

[compact shale]

Oooh! Is that it?

[rigid mural]

I'm too busy to do a spirit memory marathon post-ascention but I will let this chat know if anything else comes to mind !
Anyone having ascended Hairtousle Teen or Confetti Cousin willing to check if they are golden in Sparkler Parent's memory ?
Just in case that disproves things.

[compact shale]

Someday, I'll check Confetti.

[upbeat rampart]

I don't think Confetti has anyone except themselves and the flower to be honest, at least from the last time I checked.

Planning to relive Usher after reset to see if Reject appears gold
oh it reset

[pale mason]

Hello, I wanna ask if anyone knows more better picture of the tornado thing in concept arts? Like this picture here, with a better look of the tornado

[thin dirge]

Oh, thats the concept art for the place of ascension

Its very old, as I can see city buildings there, which was the old concept for Night/Vault before it became... Well, a literal Vault

[compact shale]

Yes, very old, mostly not canon

[pale mason]

Yeah, is there a better view of it? I still find it interesting you see

[compact shale]

I highly doubt you'd find an in-game view of that thing.

[pale mason]

If it’s just another picture, I’m ok with it

[thin dirge]

Also, the symbol being very similar to the Diamond designs on Skids and Elders is actually coincidental. The devs were just trying to make the Seasonal Symbol resemble a chain (as the Season was about family)

So not much of a connection there since its more of a coincidence, if anything

[compact shale]

BAHAHAHAHAHA THAT'S FRICKIN FUNNY

in a more serious note, how did you find out?

[thin dirge]

I recall seeing a dev reveal this in the server once (May have been in the beta chats? I lurked there a lot before I became inactive)

[compact shale]

Yeah no, I'm not lurking in the beta chats again after seeing spoilers to TLP's finale

[barren ruin]

||Do skykids have blood? Glaze, maybe? or are they just empty on the inside?||

[compact shale]

It is said that they are hollow, only filled with light.

[barren ruin]

it says that in canon? where :O

[compact shale]

well, not exactly, but that's the commonly accepted lore regarding this.

[barren ruin]

oh! I wasn't aware of that!

[thin dirge]

Yeah, you mainly create headcanons and theories about it

[barren ruin]

tbh I imagined them being filled with glaze, mostly so they can have different blood types

[upbeat rampart]

could it be liquid blood?

[compact shale]

Theories and headcanons.

Theories have a lot more in-game and concept analysis while headcanons... not so much :/

[barren ruin]

I think theyre like pottery

[compact shale]

Yeah, skykids being made of clay has also been talked about a lot.

[barren ruin]

Since they make a clinking sound when you bonk against things

[compact shale]

Yeah lol

Wait

If they're filled with glaze can we put a skykid in an oven to harden the glaze as well?

[barren ruin]

I do not think they would like that very much

[compact shale]

[hushed steeple]

Wait wait wait I think I have it
Or at least, I don't think this column of storm was entirely scrapped
I've seen it, but I think I deleted the picture

[compact shale]

well

FRICK

[hushed steeple]

Nooo it got deleted
But I can describe what I saw
In a few minutes, eating lunch

[compact shale]

Have a good meal!

[hushed steeple]

Okay so
During ascent, a lot of people have pointed out the area that looks so much like Vault, right?

Nearly at that point, if you look back, pan your camera around a little, you can see that swirling column of wind. There's debris and stuff circling around it. At one point, the Skykid itself is a part of that vortex. And that vortex is what launches the Skykid to Orbit. If you time it right, you can see that column yourself

It ties in with what you said about Night, which later became Vault, because all of this happens around the Vault summit replica part of it

[rancid star]

I have a theory: So as we all know sky kids when born look exactly like each other. Over time we get more and more cosmetics, we started to have different appearances from each other. The only thing that we have the same is our face(black mask/no mask) Why does sky kids have no eyes, noses or mouths? Maybe it’s because we all have the same mission, is to restore the light. We have no face because everyone is like us, we all have the same goal, die the same way and born the same way

[compact shale]

Yes, indeed. The mission...

is nowhere near complete.

There are places we haven't seen yet...

for they are covered by the clouds.

But those places... have ancestors we need to save.

[tulip aspen]

this is such a cool as.hek breakthru

their existence there only solidifies soldier's canonical presence in the kingdom

also that these three were either all friends along with the soldier, or part of some organization or militial group (due to the war)

[tulip aspen]

you're amazing vela

[tulip aspen]

yeah, because in the old concepts the idea was that reality (the evil, lol) would start blending into and invading the universe of Sky or something as your journey progresses @pale mason

in other words who ever was in charge of concepts was feeling reeeally meta for a time xD

[tulip aspen]

fruity no no skid donuts for u

[tidal valve]

I was just thinking while I was doing a wind paths cr, why is there no tunnel to the assembly treehouse?

is it because, there’s no resources worthy of making a wind tunnel there for boat transport?

idk, ?

[compact shale]

In lore terms, there aren't enough birds passing through by migration to actually create a wind path

In gameplay terms, it's pretty useless, they're in the same realm

[tulip aspen]

everything is floating upwards as the ascension portalstream thing the elders have opened up is pulling the Light back out of the world and up to Orbit

im pretty sure you can see the first floor of vault fly by at some point in ascension, but i may be wrong with that

[tidal valve]

Yeah that makes sense, plus, the location of the assembly treehouse is within the clouds, that would be annoying for migration

But also, in terms of gameplay yeah, treehouses already has their own tunnels

[hushed steeple]

Are you talking about the light that shoots out of that big red diamond? Because I'm not talking about that

There's literally a column of wind around there

God I miss that picture I took

[tidal valve]

was the image you lost in the same art style as that screenshot you took?

[naive sequoia]

I think I have something similar to that. I got mantanapped on the way to Orbit and I got rocketed sky high

[signal echo]

some of it is not that far of a reach considering the dismayed hunter is hunting a manta and the light miner's name on its own, plus a lot of forest concept art has mention of the temple being a factory and also has visuals of the platforms seen being some kind of ... light creature juicers (sorry i know i'm bringing up a topic from yesterday i just think it's interesting )

[compact shale]

I thought you said "Mantatapped" and I thought a manta was sucking out your spinal fluid

[rigid mural]

HD pic of Eden, @nimble ingot you might enjoy this for the great ark theory

[signal echo]

you can actually see part of this shape while standing in eden as well ^_^ it's curvy

[naive sequoia]

Being mantatapped sounds horrifying, I love it.

[rigid mural]

Really hoping this is indeed an Ark that fell on top of Eden

[naive sequoia]

I remember that theory! I love the concept art of it as well. It gives off a grounded feeling in the world of Sky.

Might find it when I have the time...

[thin dirge]

It looks like it exploded and the whole middle bit was destroyed

The bottom looks crater-shaped

[naive sequoia]

Ayy oops I accidentally deleted it

[compact shale]

The Remembered Ark /j

[naive sequoia]

I was really shocked when I actually took the time to observe the Ascent. The whole semi middle to the top of the mountain is completely obliterated and is tilted off the mountain. I completely underestimated how strong the blast was.

Would greatly appreciate for someone to check it a second time though.

[tulip aspen]

no I'm taking about seeing vault there at ascension lol

[thin dirge]

Actually, I remember this was a very popular theory about the diamond one time, it was once a common belief the big Diamond in the middle of Eden exploded and destroyed the place. I would presume it created the Storm too

However, I rarely see this get mentioned nowadays

[naive sequoia]

Oh yeah oof I forgot that the blast isn't confirmed canon RIP (is it?)

[tulip aspen]

how do we know they're hunting a manta?
i don't see an image of a manta during her memory

that light creatures juices stuff is also
like
idk mae

[signal echo]

? i could've sworn they were hunting a manta.. maybe my memory is just funky, you can ignore that part then

[thin dirge]

Hmm, I dont recall any confirmation its canon, so probably no. (Havent been active for a while, so I could be wrong)

[naive sequoia]

Haven't been active for a while too and all my theory collections is all jumbled

[tulip aspen]

no no maybe you're right and MY memory is foggy

[compact shale]

Calm down lorechat

This might help

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EedgptIwoss

[hushed steeple]

I mean not exactly, since my Skykid got swept up in the storm too
But I could see the direction of the wind and it was a swirling vortex
Like…if in that image, my Skykid were on the outer edges of it

[icy spruce]

Chattio alivio

[lofty rover]

Didn't work

[icy spruce]

and welcome back to CHAT GOT KRILLEDD SEASON 2! I’m ya host, Chesca and today’s contestant is…MIA! WITH A SCORE OF MORE THAN 2 HOURS THEY SCORE 3RD PLACE, just an hour more to get 2nd place

[pastel brook]

Calculating the needed amount of sneep snorp for #lore-discussion-spoilers...

[lofty rover]

Skybot really wants you to go to sleep every time, chesca

[boreal nebula]

Scouted to the area and it seems to be just an origami crane imprinted on the rock

[lofty rover]

Is that a birb? A boat(plane)? No! It's superskid!

[grave bone]

Oh cool! I thought it looked like an origami crane too. Wonder if they'll put imprints around the realms to find for a season. I think that would be cool

[boreal nebula]

🦸‍♂️ and this hero would have this S on the chest

S inside a diamond shape

[primal vigil]

Headcanon that the Elders dress up in Season themes when there is one

[boreal nebula]

This is as far as I will get...😅

[lofty rover]

That's very impressive. I really like that.
What if it has some krill motifs

[hushed steeple]

Wait what?
Is this about late replies because I was taking a nap because college is making me

[lofty rover]

CHESCA CGK is so inactive people don't even know what's it about now

[tulip aspen]

what

[boreal nebula]

I was just trying to coloring it not to krilling it

[lofty rover]

I like the krilling

[icy spruce]

It’s like an inside joke thing, uhhh CGK (chat got krilled) is made to not make the chat krilled uhh how to explain uhh

Basically like ____ Got Talent but the talent is who krilled the chat

[lofty rover]

It's like a game show whose host is chesca. The winners are the ones who have the last response. Aka the chat kriller. (It's just in all good fun) purpose of this show(?) is to bring chat back to life ig but usually chesca forgets to do it

[icy spruce]

I don’t forget to do it, just lazy to do it

[lofty rover]

Seems like there is a position at lore chat which is up for grabs

[icy spruce]

no.

[tulip aspen]

ehe

[hushed steeple]

Ohh I get it
Big brain finally rebooted

[shut trellis]

and its still krilled

[icy spruce]

that’s lore chat for you

[lofty rover]

Yeah lore chat does that

[tulip aspen]

What does anyone think about the idea that ancestors fell as CotL and just grew up

I think that's the most dubious part of my canon chasing, as people are so contrary to that belief, with their own
Meanwhile I'm saying that's exactly what it says happens in the intro, that the Ancestors are the Stars that fell in the beginning

From my analysis:

The Stars/CotL (Children of the Light) fall as darkness separates them from the Sky, and they embrace the Earth and gain shells, becoming the beings we see in the Nintendo trailer.
CotL mature into Ancestors and live happily building a kingdom

"But darkness came, and the stars fell...Together the fallen stars made a new home in the clouds."

[nimble ingot]

The intro showed the constellations with the elder's realm symbols, then those stars falling to establish kingdoms. This was also before the rest of the stars fell, so the intro likely referred to the elders.

The murals in the cave at the very start of Dawn now shows the ancestors praying to the stars and mentioned that they used to live in harmony. This may be a reference to the elders once living in harmony, before the calamity and destruction of Eden.

[tulip aspen]

before the rest of the stars fell? wdym?

i dont understand why people think there are multiple main occasions of the stars falling after the darkness strikes the sky

also the purpose of the elders is to return fallen stars to the Sky

why would the Sky need to send savers of the stars to Earth when stars haven't even fell

"our elders would usher them skyward"

so yeah, that's why i believe it can't be the elders, and if it's not the elders, it has to be the ancestors

[nimble ingot]

The old intro showed the stars that represent the elders fall first, then the rest of the stars fell some time thereafter.

(had to check to be sure)
The cave murals at the start of Dawn spoke about the ancestors living in harmony, while the 'stars were united.' Then when darkness came and the light of the stars faded away, the ancestors 'faded away.'

So, based on what I understood with the new intro, the stars were united, which probably meant the kingdoms were united and the elders were there.
Then darkness came, the stars fell and the ancestors perished.

I am used to the old intro that showed the elders as a star (or constellations) falling into the clouds. The darkness came and the rest of the stars started falling too.

sorry if that caused confusion, hope this clears it up.

[frigid tinsel]

People are adamant about that cos the devs said the ancestors and skychildren are separate species

[tulip aspen]

oh?
was that a livestream?

[frigid tinsel]

I remember reading it from one of the canon lore docs, prob confirmed in a livestream then

[tulip aspen]

it doesnt say the ancestors faded away after the stars did btw, it says "we" faded away

we can assume the voice in the og and new intro are the same voice, yet in the new one it explicitly talks about the elders, and the ancestors (calling them spirits this time)

so the voice cannot be the ancestors nor the spirit, and rather the entity(s) in the Sky

when the og intro existed, Children of the Light were simply called Stars, by lore, devs, and community

so in the beginning, the Stars fell, which were CotL
and it describes the Stars (CotL) "building a kingdom", which we know the ancestors did

A=B
B=C
A=C

The Stars that originally fell were the ancestors who built the kingdom and made a life there

[hushed steeple]

The quote was “skykids are not the same and not a different species from ancestors and elders” or something. Also “maybe a sub species”

Also “skykids are not elders and will not grow into elders or ancestors” again paraphrased. I believe the livestream is this one, which has never been reuploaded and may be the source of other very important lost quotes we use today.

[tulip aspen]

hmm ill have to follow up on knowing about that, tysm fam

[frigid tinsel]

That’s a really regal image of Forest elder right there

[tulip aspen]

oh so it WAS never said skykids are not a different species from ancestors??

thank god

cos yes it's obvious elders are a completely different "species"; they were MEANT to take a form on Earth here, and ascend fallen spirits

but the original CotL weren't meant to fall down to the world, they were "separated by darkness", yet they became the beings in the nintendo trailer anyways

[nimble ingot]

"But darkness came and the stars fell..."
"and with their light we faded away."

the mural with this text shows the spirts kneeling or slumped on the ground while the sound and flash of thunder is heard, and the dawn cosntellation disarppears with clouds appearing in the sky. Standing between the loose stars and the ancestors.
https://youtu.be/siaWtyP5Tlc?t=230

The old intro shows a similar event. As in darkness coming, then the thunder, then the clouds covering the constellations (or the kingdoms in that case).

The ancestors are not like the elders in the current lore. Therefore are not necessarily the stars that fell.
The ancestors had families, lived in homes with beds, had food and needed boats to travel. In sky terms, the ancestors likely lived out their lives as mortal. Who would one day pass away and return to the stars (as in the spirits go to orbit to be with the stars, it is unclear if the ancestors become stars themselves, or would possibly be reborn by the Megabird).

[rigid mural]

On elders, concept art had creatures go through the same journey we do like a cycle; being born in the four corners of the kingdom and migrating to Eden as they aged. In that case, it's possible the "usher them skyward" part would pertain to elders guiding am helping creatures and spirits find their way (especially on the last stretch).

Or if the stars already fell by then, it's possible that saving them was within the elders power but not their original duty.

[nimble ingot]

There was a mention that the elder of dawn used to guide spirits on their journey, now he guides skykid instead.

[tulip aspen]

inb4 the ancestors returning to the sky means they do become stars, light in the Sky, one with the voice

also that mural in the new intro is extremely obscure, and breaking the og canon lol

They took a quote about the beginning of Sky's story (the original stars falling to earth and building a kingdom) and showed the world ending event we know happens, and also showing the ancestors suffering in that event

the 2nd intro confuses everything and we shouldn't take it's words exact, after all, it speaks about the living ancestors calling them spirits when they hadnt even died yet

the og intro details the same apocalyptic event much better

we have to keep in mind the lore is messy not because TGC are intelligent and keep it messy in a specific way, but because it is a workshop story and they have never really known what to do with it, especially as it passed hands via diff narration members over the years

yes we just established a few comments above the elders are a different species, but lore does explicitly say the ancestors and skykids [may] be related (subspecies)

@rigid mural
wowow i didnt know the elders were originally scripted to age, you got all that detail from old concept drawings/sketches?? thats sick

[rigid mural]

My theory is that Daleth has this liminal role because they upkeep the death/rebirth part of the cycle; the other elders have more stable roles but the Isle Elder takes care of the beginning and end, which are more delicate and symbolically charged.

[compact shale]

What mural?

[tulip aspen]

the mural that Raiden was talking about up above

[compact shale]

Oh

I just realized that there's a VA for the intro now lmao

Do you think it's a little bit unsettling that it's possible that not even TGC knows what their story is? (Conspiracy for now but still)

It's one thing to paint the story in mind in a vague way when they present it but another thing to have an equally vague idea of what you're trying to say

[tulip aspen]

that's not even a theory lmao that's literally what it is the story is just so loosely made up as it's going, and yet we care so much about it and they never will

in fact teasing and making a even more of a mess about it we'll just allow us to theorize even harder and more insanely so in general any crazy loose ends narration ties up or adds to is just a huge massive marketing ploy and in the end we don't even actually get any more solid ness of lore

that's why we have to take the second intro with a grain of salt
because at least with the first one whoever wrote it actually cared but with the second, honestly I don't even know

so we have to be very careful about what we take or don't take from the second intro

[compact shale]

How would you know that the one who wrote the first intro actually cared?

[rigid mural]

It's a conspiracy now ?

[tulip aspen]

because back then it was an actual passion project but now the marketing and the production has streamlined more towards just creating seasons clearly due to how they treat moths in Eden and everything these days it's not even close to being shown that they care these days about the original journey as a moth

but then again I guess it's true that maybe they didn't even care back then but I guess we should also shouldn't assume or assert that they care or don't care it's literally just a project that they're paid to make I don't know

[compact shale]

Mmrgh

What confuses you about the 2nd intro?

[tulip aspen]

The quote about the stars falling is the most conflicting part in my opinion

in the original it's at the beginning in the second one it's at the end

they either mean two different things or I don't even know they're just the same but the second one use the quote in a different place and like thought that was okay?

[frigid tinsel]

Lore discourse heating up

[compact shale]

Right... it makes it seem like the stars fell post-civilization as opposed to pre-civilization...

But when it comes to in-game matters pre-civ makes more sense, right?

[tulip aspen]

exactly it makes so so much more sense that's why I just cannot accept that that line of the Stars falling in the second intro where it's placed is correct or Canon it just doesn't make any sense

[rigid mural]

You can't really sum up TGC's vision of Sky, because TGC isn't one person.

I think at least some employees (thinking about the artists specifically) really do care about Sky; it's not a world built without love. You can see how much work was put into the concept art, and despite the vague story, the game certainly isn't shallow like the usual mass-produced media.

On the other end, it's in the name, TGC is a company, and as such it does aim to make profit. Regular seasons are profitable on a free to play game, and this business model has become common place for mobile games ever since the likes of candy crush became giants.

[nimble ingot]

TGC
Theory
Graphics
Cash

Where the art is good, the lore is in pieces and there are price tags of some of the cosmetics.

[tulip aspen]

we can sum up the collective vision, what they have the willpower, money, synergy, and energy to be collectively driven by

also, the directors play the biggest part in greenlighting, they can be easily looked into as to how all that plays out

i am not saying "TGC evil" at all lmao
i am stating the facts, and thats funnily enough exactly what you stated, which was that they've had to streamline more towards profit IE seasons

yes it's constructive criticism and yes it's brutal as an analysis of what's going on but that's just the truth of it that's just life that's just how the development has to work

either way I'm still here for this game and I'm still caring for this process
I'm sorry if it sounded to you like I was just complaining to complain but I'm just observing about how this all works

[rigid mural]

I didn't suggest you thought TGC is evil...?
Let me clarify.
You can't really sum up what a whole company thinks of their game; unless you mean the company identity in which case yes, the creative director is kind of its face.
But I'm saying that it's possible his employees don't agree on everything he says; can't promise you anything but I do think at least some genuinely care about the game as an art piece.

I have my criticism of the company and its director, don't get me wrong there's a lot to talk about. I agree with you the game's lore is frustratingly unstable

[tulip aspen]

yeah I'm so sorry for thinking that you were accusing me of anything and yeah I get that that you can't properly generalize an entire company I'm friends with a Dev of Halo infinite and we all know how that one's going

but what I'm talking about is not any one person it's just about the general direction of the company when I say TGC is messy I don't mean any specific drive of any specific person it's just the general synergy of the group to actually work together and come together to make something more than just a flat cosmetic purchase

[rigid mural]

Manifesting a TGC dev coming here to answer our questions. Because I'm actually pretty curious about their opinion on where the company is going (though they're probably gonna be held by contract to be only positive so)...

[tulip aspen]

yeah you'd never get such an opinion lolol

[compact shale]

Ktjinny soup dance?

[tulip aspen]

this convo about the team is always important to acknowledge but I'm kinda sad no one more will look at the fact that the second intro cannot be trusted

i think it's really important for people to discuss

[rigid mural]

I think it would be an interesting question for a stream, they seem to pay attention to lore nerds a bit more so perhaps you could ask if past lore is relevant or if they retconned it.

[tulip aspen]

if they did my entire project will go in the fire

[rigid mural]

Consider this: recycle it into fanfic.

[nimble ingot]

If there were to be a poll about if skykids prefered this or that, or if they want the devs to bring an old feature back.
There might be much more interesting results coming from that, that the meditation shrine questions.

(sorry to any mods scrying on the conversations, I am finishing a cr, out of coffee and halfway asleep on the bed)

[tulip aspen]

i dont like fanfics personally, but i keep those feelings to myself

[rigid mural]

Back to lore, I had the idea light and darkness symbolize respectively cycles and immutable things.

Let me explain.

The Light is what we call orbit; that and megabird (I think both are the same thing, the latter is just a personification) are what we go towards and what we fall from back in the loop that is our journey. A bird ouroboros if you will (ouroboros can be interpreted as both eating themselves or creating themselves). Kinda like the cycle of death and rebirth in Hindu beliefs. A sea whose drops of water are light beings. Something whose state is fluid and cyclical.

Darkness would be something against that flow, kinda like a rock sticking out of that river. There's the obvious "that's bad" because not accepting change is dangerous, but... there's more to it. In my opinion. "Dark" sticking out leaves a mark in the cycle "Light" is. Kind of like an engraved sign on a tree. Unlike the flow of light seamlessly going back and forth, Darkness would be a will to leave a legacy be it good or bad, but something that says "I, as an individual, was there."

Kind of like how buildings stick out in prairie. Proof the ancestors were here, eroded but not completely gone. A rock eventually becomes dust in the endless flows, but it lasts long enough to be a landmark for generations.

_ _
Too much darkness, and nothing changes (we all know why it's miserable).
Too much light, and you lose yourself (because nothing is retained).

[nimble ingot]

that is a good analogy, not bad.

[rigid mural]

I'm emotional and love seeing ancestor spirits hanging out, giving us a glimpse of what was life for them before we came.

[tulip aspen]

reminds me of that other person who said the darkness is actually good, but this is very different

i honestly love it so much

[hushed steeple]

This is technically a concept art of ‘priestess’. Referenced in exactly 1 level outline, shes thought to be the character they where planning to have be the elder of valley before making it 2 competitive twins.

[tulip aspen]

whoa
so instead of fun and games it was more of a cul- er, creepy following

[hushed steeple]

Dunno, in the quote it said she points you to the path or opens the path or something. Maybe shes the high priestess of sports. BAHA

[raven whale]

Imagine if across multiple seasons TGC was actually plotting something to do with the Krill

[hushed steeple]

NSW trailer and dev q&a seems to think so

[compact shale]

That might convince me to not explore the seasonal area... hopefully not

If this season was about Flight, the next season might very well be about the opposite

[raven whale]

A season where we find out some bits and pieces of the Krill’s origins

[compact shale]

All quite possible, though I hope it doesn't traumatize moths...

[raven whale]

Them babeys need to be guided carefully or else they may end up having Spicy Memory™️

[tulip aspen]

i had a corny wishlist concept of season 2.0s once lol, and there an enchantment one where they'd don wizard and sorcerer robes and journey far past the ark, beyond the dunes, and investigate what seems to be some sort of giant 'nest' in a canyon, and discover many secrets about what the krill truly are, and were.....

[compact shale]

@tulip aspen The coin things is a hypothetical currency that we haven't seen before. Basically I think that ancestors did use a currency, because of the upper/lower classes of Valley, but I don't think that it's candles. Considering that they once worshipped the light/flame, they might've used it more for worship. However, we haven't seen any remains of some other sort of currency, so we're gonna assume that it hypothetically exists, but we have no idea what it looks like or how exactly it works.

[tulip aspen]

hm

[flat mist]

bitcoin

[compact shale]

no

[flat mist]

hey guys so why is forest grandma back? Why specifically her out of all of the guides? Is she just there because shes cool, or is it lore-important or smthn?

[raw crypt]

Hmmm she was most likely the easiest guide to implement as she already had an area ready to use unlike the other first four guides :]

I don’t think theres much lore involved rlly, other than i love it bc it shows questgivers can descend to interact with us, gamma love us.. Which probably means questgivers arent stuck but rather they choose to stay, theyre our besties,,.

[compact shale]

I think there's something more to the QGs... they need more help to fulfill their Last Wish... gramma seems pretty lonely, we're helping em be a little less lonely by each meal

[hushed steeple]

One of my fanseason spirits has a coinflip emote, and I just kinda...assume coins don’t exist as currency. Its strait up made to flip. BAHA.

[compact shale]

Flip a what?

[undone harbor]

boogie dances

[icy spruce]

hallo seal

[neat flint]

Hello there

[sharp lichen]

Hello chesscuh

[icy spruce]

Actually, scratch that

where are my 350 hearts

[compact shale]

HENNNNNNDLOFhnsdfndsnn

[tulip aspen]

yeah this is what i feel is accurate

[compact shale]

Though, why them, specifically? Why does their Wish take longer to fulfill?
]

[tulip aspen]

It's obvious, it's like you said
She needed a dinner
She still needs family

[compact shale]

No I mean for the other QGs lol

[tulip aspen]

ohhh
i mean, cos everyone else actually got their wish like we've talked about before

im sorry, my skid is only a year old, how did belonging end?

[pastel brook]

Maybe one day I can be a real Skykid!

[compact shale]

Yeah, I guess they'd be pretty lonely after ascending everyone else, so to fulfill their wish you have to help them find new family in you and your friends

[upbeat rampart]

I was wondering, could the Eden pnr just state how we had died (like when we were created--it was just to offer our souls to the rocks). Then as a thanks, the realm elders made their realms "as good as possible" (Wasteland Elder tried) and eventhough there was probably a lot of damage (like prairie had less mantas, Isle was much darker and more...empty ig, Wasteland having more krills, Vault having no floors except the ground and being broken almost everywhere, etc), they tried to make amends for skykids to do the task of ascending the spirits and tried a lot to also make it easy for them.

Idk seems very far fetched and headcanon-y

[abstract wasp]

So now with creature in the new zone, can we agree on the possibility there could be a MegaKrill, since one is drawn driven away in the writtens

[harsh pecan]

Lol

[harsh pecan]

Lore chat has been dead for a few hours now ._.

[pastel brook]

Fineeee, gather around the bonfire, I'm going to play a lullaby for you!

[compact shale]

Yep!

[hushed steeple]

hi lorewriters

i want you to make your fanon lore about what wasteland looked like before it was a... well, wasteland

[icy spruce]

Balley but diamond factory

[compact shale]

Ball?

[tulip aspen]

im really scared about the fact that my project surviving depends on the illegitimacy of the second intro

i feel like because of that it's really just not enough to convince people, especially younger loreskids

even raiden was so quick to use the confusing quote about the stars falling against my evidence, and i feel everyone feels like using that whenif they'll read my analysis, especially younger skids who never saw the better original intro