lore-discussion-spoilers

[twilit blade]

Because we're supposed to be lifeless, emotionless clay people, Fruity

[hushed steeple]

For the angst? Or cause a purpose is mentioned? I like to think inhabiting the land after saving the stars is PART of their propose. But you gotta follow your heart voice.

[compact shale]

And then the ancestors taught us emotions and tainted us alllllllllll

[shut trellis]

In theory, skykids exist to free spirits and help the world so once whatever their goal is has been reached, skykids do not have a purpose and therefore are no longer needed, i guess. accept not really, since it may take a while and they could be stuffed into the ecosystem by then

[compact shale]

I like to think that after that point megabird deletes them from the world and re-assimilates them into themselves. No I'm not joking, I'm just weirdly pessimistic.

[twilit blade]

I think skykids (the real ones, those without the control of us humans) only copy the "emotions" of other spirits but doesn't actually understand them. Some may even continue without emotions as it may be unnecessary to them

Wait, so like mutiny but with... Clay children

[hushed steeple]

Personal theory is that skykids got ancestorish bodies, light creatureish colors and flight. These where the ingredients chosen to make the perfect little saviors. But megabird accidently added an extra ingredient, CHEMICAL ELDER.

[twilit blade]

Speaking of skykids and their flight power; Do you think a skykid and its cape is one and the same? Or are they two separate things that one can survive with without staying together

To further elaborate; Our capes aren't sentient, but are they physically/spiritually a part of us?

[compact shale]

Why would a cape be... alive?

[hushed steeple]

I think its a cape they get from ancestors, but then they fill it with their blood light so they can move and emote with it.

Like how freshly emerged moths must pump their wings out

[shut trellis]

They are different imo. Since it is from winged light and not normal light(krills can't eat winged light, only normal light i think). but similar. but uh actually i don't know, maybe they have the cape in them but can't use it until winged light comes

[twilit blade]

Say, a skykid's cape was forcefully taken off of them without their consent. What are the possibilities of that?

[hushed steeple]

Poor babies would not be able to fly.

The bloodlight would prolly slip back to them though.

[shut trellis]

Can someone do that? Maybe the cape is physically attached to them. (This is probably not true just rambling stuff out) I think i just contradicted my original message

[hushed steeple]

I remember a discussion about if their base clothes are part of their physical body or not. I think a dev swooped in and said “prolly not”

[twilit blade]

That's good, idea rambles are good food for the brain

I have a similar theory of the cape being "attached" to the skykids which was why I asked. Since its technically like a vessel for all the wl we collect before we give them out to the statues, meaning we always need to be "carrying" that vessel on our backs

[shut trellis]

Do they have clothes on in eden? yes its an odd question but
i meant post death i think they do nevermind

[twilit blade]

I mean at the skykids' most "bare" form, they kinda do I think(?) Which is the same when we turn into shiny bois.
(Image borrowed from #eden-spoilers)

[shut trellis]

Maybe that could be just for the game but if accounted lore wise, that means that their clothes are made of stone(?) and that its physically attached to them. but that doesn't work since they can change their clothing. nevermind nevermind. i guess they could change physical appearance anyway

This is going back to an earlier discussion but I think skykids do have emotions since they can make friends- they could do so without emotions but it still seems off then.
They won't be sure what the emotes mean but perhaps they could sense their feelings or the spirits would tell them.

[twilit blade]

When you compare them to hiveminds like insects/robots/robotic insects, it's a bit easier to see why they still work with other people (outside of game mechanics) in order to progress and fulfill their common goals in Eden

[shut trellis]

Yeah but it still feels weird, iirc, skykids can do high fives or hug friends without anyone telling them they can. unless theres a hug spirit i forgot about.

[compact shale]

You're right, it is pretty weird.

[twilit blade]

That is true Perhaps that's their starting point of learning how emotions work! Tho it could also be a game mechanic to please the players

[shut trellis]

Its kind of unsettling to think about skykids being born with no clear emotions though. maybe they have emotions but don't know how to show them. i think they will be scared of krills, for one. unless they just know its not safe. i always though that how the player felt reflected how our skykid felt. the wonder in isle and prairie, the fear in eden and wasteland.

[compact shale]

I mean, a galactic god can do pretty much anything, why can't they create a species without emotions? (also there's a theory that skykids are golems, those things aren't usually born with emotions and are the servant of their creator)

[lusty escarp]

My headcanon is sorta that capes are spiritually connected to the sky kid, however the reason they can change their cape is because if they take it off and put a different one on, the new one is now the one that's connected. Same with clothes and other things

[shut trellis]

True, it would be beneficial so skykids wouldn't stop doing their job and rebel. But still unsettling.

[compact shale]

Hahahaha, want an entire theory about pretty much everything you just said?

[twilit blade]

Personally I think its because only a logical-operated-only creatures will be able to finish the jobs quickly and not getting distracted with forming relationships. But since we, humans who naturally have emotions, are the ones who play them, there's a reason we also get distracted with friends

[shut trellis]

im scared now but ok

[compact shale]

aighht

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[twilit blade]

When Sky's lore starting to become darker than you thought XD
Eitherway, the game was made to relax on and make friends, however we don't fully know if it's the same way if we only focus on its lore aspects

Also random but why does Megabird sound like a Pokemon

[shut trellis]

This makes sense. However I just had a thought, lets say that the king is a skykid. Did he have emotions? Or did the megabird change how they were wired after the big problems?

[compact shale]

I don't know pal... I really need to go to bed

[shut trellis]

Alright, good night and sneep snorp! 🛏️

[twilit blade]

Just adding a few cents of thought I think it's more of the former; The King having emotions which could be a factor of what led the Kingdom into doom and such. However that brings the question of why didn't Megabird just create a singular emotionless skykid to rule after the fall of the Kingdom? Why send an entire new race of skykids?
Nvm I forgot the horde of skykids were sent to clean stuff up

[shut trellis]

Im too tired to answer anymore questions here after like an hour of lore-ing

[coarse dragon]

Lol

[robust flare]

Okay, so, I feel like I should probably share my insights into Skylore here. Constellations were created by the king - when the ancestors died, the king made a way for their spirits to exist in the sky, as stars. They can ascend and descend back to their gravestones. If the gravestone is broken, there maybe isn't a way for the spirit to ascend. King put elders in charge of spirits ascension. Now, the king: I have wondered if he burst into pieces and was spread across the realm (as children of light), OR if we, the skykids, are his "offspring". I have been studying this stuff a while. I have seen concept art though that shows after we die, the king is the golden child we hug, and both he and the skykid ascend

I also don't believe the king is truly bad. I think it's possible he was sickened by how the elders and ancestors used the powers he gave them, which could have made him angry, hence the storm

One thing I haven't figured out is the children of light/winged light. The ones in eden are clearly exhausted. Idk what the heck they are, drives me crazy

There's definitely some connection between children of light, skykids, and the king

[lusty escarp]

My headcanon is that winged lights are sky kids that failed to fully ascend somehow, however that is just a headcanon

[robust flare]

I think we ARE the same species. But there's clearly a separation between us and the winged lights. (Also just found out the winged lights actually SPEAK at the beginning of the game, so that's useful. They didn't talk when I started

(Found out a few days ago I mean, they say a lot of important things at the beginning)

[twilit blade]

Are you talking about the 'narrator'at the start of the game? Such as the text telling you to "bring the spirits back up" or something along those lines?

[robust flare]

There's two "voices" at the beginning. One is the spirits, the other is the winged light. The spirits thing says the stuff about "with the stars united, our light was infinite". But then there is more text that I saw on my newish moth account. Here's the text (sorry if it's hard to read)

"Draw near, so we may start you on the journey" is what got me

[icy spruce]

I’m scared on how organized it is

[robust flare]

My brother asked if I'm a serial killer when he saw my papers. Also there have been many more drawings. Idk how many times I have drawn the murals...

me wondering what titan is typing OvO

[icy spruce]

some huge text wall, prolly

it’s been, what? 5 minutes?

(can’t wait for the wall)

[robust flare]

Yeah, I think over 5 minutes. This is gonna be DEEP

[devout geyser]

ohh interesting, i didn’t know there was a prince

[icy spruce]

part 1

this would make a good story ngl, you should write it

oh no, they’re still typing

[honest mural]

I might tbh, part 3 coming soon 🙃

[icy spruce]

you should tbh, and what part 3

[robust flare]

I have tried drawing a few comics, but never finished because I found problems 😕 I think the ideas there are something though. One king had a mask like the one we see everywhere, one had one shaped like a sparkle

Or...what if two people kinda formed ONE king. If the diamond turned sideways and combined with a sparkle. Idk if I'm making sense

Oh. Also Idk if this character still has relevance to lore, but I desperately want it to

[icy spruce]

Mmm, fusion

[graceful lance]

I'm currently writing a story about my interpretation of everything that happened before the fall of the kingdom

[robust flare]

I could share my comics here if you want. I don't remember now what my problems were. I'll go dig for them XD

Maybe I'll wait until Titan is done

[graceful lance]

I'm going to wait till Titan is done then share my interpretations

[robust flare]

Yayyyy lorrrreeee

[icy spruce]

That was long

[honest mural]

Ikr, my hand are dead rn 😪

Well that's my thought on what happend for the stars to fall , anyone else

[robust flare]

HEY MARIE YOUR TURN

[graceful lance]

RIP Titan_'s hands

[honest mural]

Ik

[icy spruce]

We should make a doc about our headcanons on the fall lmao

Since this 1 min cooldown and the word limit in discord ykniw

[honest mural]

Alot of hand are dying today ig

[robust flare]

My hands are actually dying less than usual. I often draw all day. Instead I'm using my phone more than my pencil

[honest mural]

I ma good storyteller I think, but I'm so bad at drawring it's not even funny.

[icy spruce]

I’m the opposite, bad at storytelling but decent at drawing lmao

[graceful lance]

So I think that there were three children directly created from the megabird known as it's children, (also using FANON names so do mind that-) Firstborn Alef, the Divine light, Secondborn Resh, the Sacred Dark, and the thirdborn (who is not named) who brought balance between them all. They were the first to fall from the heavens. Alef and Resh created the land and the thirdborn brought the creatures to it, mantas, birds, all creatures big and small were created. Then the megabird brought the spirits. Alef and Resh guided them with the help of the thirdborn. But soon all three children disappeared. The Prophets taught their students in the ways of these prophecys that they created and were left. Soon all of their students were dead, none passed the trials. So each prophet offered the Prophet of Balance (the guide for the season of prophecy) and they summoned Alef once more, he was the only child to return as Resh awaited his return in the shadows and the thirdborn having returned to the megabird.

Alef had continued to lead the prophets and lead the spirits, slowly the other two children returned and helped with that. Alef and Resh ventured out into the land and stumbled across the hidden forest that had not yet been discovered. Alef had accidentally killed Resh while they were playing in the woods and then formed the dark stones. Of which Alef brought back to the prophets and they refined them. Allowing for a new age of innovation and the spirits beginning to settle they needed leaders, so Alef chose three elders, a Ferryman, a Craftsman and a Judge. Soon Alef was crowned King. and so he lead them like one. Yet darkness spread across the land so the elders had a ship built so they coould flee, yet it crashed and only the Isle Elder survived. Soon then we had the elders we now. The elders had tried to stop the spread of the darkness yet failed when the king became curropt. Having taken a blessing from the megabird, his mother, he sought to bring back his fallen brother. And they became one, Corrupt King.

The spirits turned to nothing but dust, few spirits who's light was strong turned to stone. And then came the sky children, fallen stars who were given a second chance by the megabird. They were meant to bring peace, bring back balance that the thirdborn had failed to keep.

and I'm done

[robust flare]

First comic I made (part one. Discord can't handle all at once)

[graceful lance]

I love the art :>

[honest mural]

What sthe megabird??????

[icy spruce]

In concept arts, the deity of Sky

[graceful lance]

Big bird

I also call it the Fire, not like fire like the flame but as a title

[honest mural]

Ohh ok

[robust flare]

I consider the megabird to actually be more of a process than a deity! But the megabird is the process by which we are reborn basically. She carries us when we die

[icy spruce]

hehe, mega(n)birb fried chicken

tbh, I see megabirb as a galaxy (but yknow how ancient civilization worship the stars? Ye, so they got the idea of megabirb being a god yatta yat. But I also like the megabirb is a deity)

[icy spruce]

This is like a storyboard

This could be a good first episode if you animate it

[honest mural]

Maybe ethe megabird, in the case of my story, are the stars fulfilling the prince's dying prayers.

[robust flare]

I think I found something wrong after this part, I can't find a continuation image. So ONTO NEXT COMIC THAT I DIDN'T FINISH. (First, notes: I thought maybe the elders used to be creatures in the actual story, at the time I made this, because of concept art)

[honest mural]

Oooooo nice

Well I'm gonna go write some stories about a superhero universe I made so goodbye for like 10 mins, until I get bored

[icy spruce]

Mk, cya later

[graceful lance]

I might share the full detailed version of this when its done

because I'm actually writing this into a book

[robust flare]

Oh dear some papers are sideways in the pictures I took. Also, I have bad handwriting at 21 years old, very sorry XD

[graceful lance]

I cant even read my own handwriting

[robust flare]

I thankfully can read mine, but I always forget other people may be unable to 😔

[icy spruce]

same, because they’re all curves

[honest mural]

Ok I got bored

[icy spruce]

Wb

[robust flare]

I kinda fell in love with my prince character. He's just too adorable

[icy spruce]

Every Prince is adorable

[honest mural]

Le petit prince tho 💞

[icy spruce]

Alef is superior

[shut trellis]

He is and will always be superior

[icy spruce]

facts

and if you disagree, you don’t exist anymore (/hj)

[robust flare]

King deserves more respect 😤

[icy spruce]

true but alef is still superior

[lusty escarp]

All princes are equal

[robust flare]

Oh wait I thought they were actually the same person. I thought we were comparing him to the other elders (though prairie elder is also the best tbh. He loves his pots)

[icy spruce]

Lmao

(I think Resh and Alef are the same person but Alef is before he got ‘reborn’ as King)

[robust flare]

Oh I forgot about who exactly Resh was. It's so hard to keep track of everything

[icy spruce]

It’s okay

[honest mural]

How do I have 2k screenshot xD

[robust flare]

I'm mostly avoiding the elder names because I think I read something about not using them here?

[hushed steeple]

For awhile the bot would respond every single time they where said “to avoid confusion” and boy howdy did not using them cause a lot of confusion.

[robust flare]

Ohhh. So now we can use them?

[honest mural]

To avoid confusion

[icy spruce]

And then the revolution 2.0 happened and ye, no more banning of concept elder names

[hushed steeple]

Precious old grandpa Daleth, granny Lamed, Workaholic Teth, big strong Tsadi, teddybear giant Ayin, aerodynamic bickerers Samekh, and secret hidden, ever important Alef/Resh

[icy spruce]

Megan at the background

(Not concept name but fanon nickname for Megabirb)

[lusty escarp]

Prairie elder is superior to every other elder and nobody can change my mind

[robust flare]

ONE HUNDRED PERCENT

[hushed steeple]

He make butterfly with magic of squish

[honest mural]

Factual

[robust flare]

Very proud of the ceramics he made for butterflies

[hushed steeple]

Politely ask butterfly to go into pot

[robust flare]

And his candle offering thing is on top of a gigantic pot, by the way. I didn't notice for a while, but WOW GOOD JOB AYIN

[icy spruce]

Ayo, no posting fanart wih or without credit

[honest mural]

Idk whose it is tho

[icy spruce]

Anyways

[honest mural]

Whats the most lore dense realm?

[icy spruce]

Balley, GW and Edne

Yep, Isle

[hushed steeple]

Isle if we cheat and include prophecy

[primal vigil]

Gw and forest imho

[robust flare]

There's a lot of options. I think we can rule out prairie and valley though

[graceful lance]

Is it just me or does the Vault Elder remind me of a sweet old grandmother (I know none of the elders have genders but still-)

[primal vigil]

I have a sort of short fanfic I'm working on doe where the prairie elder is the protector of sky creatures which the elder of fores captures to create power diamonds (because according to them the pieces of Eden diamond that the king gave the elders wouldn't be enough to keep the Kingdom prosperous so they decided to start making more, against the others' wishes)

[robust flare]

It probably isn't fair to compare how much lore is in each realm, seeing as all of them build off of each other to build a story

[primal vigil]

Tru

[coarse dragon]

So the elders at the ending of every realm are actually ghosts?

[robust flare]

Oh, I missed the part about elders being dead in that theory. In some concept art, the elders ARE shown as being spirits

[coarse dragon]

Oh ok, neat

[icy spruce]

Nope, they’re in limbo (between life and death)

[coarse dragon]

How can you tell?

[robust flare]

Spirits were once shown as more ghost like, I can find a picture of it. Used to have no legs

[lusty escarp]

Ooh no legs spirits actually look quite cool, I wonder how they would look like in-game 🤔

[robust flare]

It looks kinda like they are dripping, like an inkcap mushroom! I want THOSE spirits!

Tom Zhao is my hero by the way. He worked for TGC, made lots of BRILLIANT concept art for the game *he didn't make all the concept art here, just wanted to mention him

[tidal valve]

The concept art for the elders is very interesting, on the second last image I was always confused by the spirits besides them, but reading the concept art map of valley in one of the acts it says that before the valley race the headstones you see in the walls are there to represent chosen ancestors (since there are more then 6 in total) so, the spirits on the left side of the concept art and in game wear masks that come from elders, perhaps they were messengers from the elders to the common people.

Could make sense?

ALSO concept art refers to megabird as a bird of light, Haah I find it funny how we just say megabird though, true Megan is sure a megabird

[graceful lance]

The second to last, it appears as if the Corrupt King is a castle. Maybe he infact is the castle we pass in the rebirth process, just a broken shell at that point

maybe he is the mountain of the Eye of Eden, and that giant red crystal is his core, his heart

Maybe that's why we see the King everywhere, he is the Holy Land where we go to ascend

[hushed steeple]

Heres eden castle unbroken from LA

[vocal flume]

a prediction on what eden would've looked like just before darkness took over

[nimble ingot]

woah, so the king got his castle remodeled, cool.

Wait, so the castle is no longer a floating island?

[harsh pecan]

Maybe it broke off the actual castle and became an island idk

[hushed steeple]

This is from light awaits so his castle was a rockin complete castle THEN got blasted into the sky in current.

[nimble ingot]

So that is a the old castle.

[novel marten]

more so, the bot itself caused MORE confusion by reacting

[compact shale]

wait really?

[lusty merlin]

10 pm theories with no evidence and are highly unlikely that I just think are cool:

Valley twins were originally one person but a krill hit them when they were in wasteland,,,, and they spilt

Samekh:”Darkdragons? Ppft I bet I can take one on!”

Like 20 minuites later

:”k that was a mistake.”
:”😐”

[icy spruce]

HAHAHAHA

[lusty merlin]

Like I think it be so in character aswell cuz Tsadi probably said they’re dangerous and Samekh took it as a challange💀

[compact shale]

HAHehhhahhdhfsd

[nimble ingot]

Valley would have had a priesstess before the twins.

Also, vault used to have a royal design (crown and dress).But there was alos once a concept for a shaman, or an oracle.

[lusty merlin]

Ooo that’s cool! it kinda makes me wonder now if the statues in eden are supposed to represent the vault elder, similar design and all and vault being before eden

[compact shale]

Yeah, those things... but there is a question.

why do you need so many vault elder statues?

[lusty merlin]

TLDR: Eden was Vault elders domain before alef came along, and vault elder was in charge of watching over and marking sure light creatures finished they’re cycle

More explained:In my theory for the sky timeline I believe alef/resh are the youngest elder, thus when they landed in the sky world there probably wasn’t any other realms to give to them, well except eden. Who I theorize might have been vaults domain before alef landed

Being where the cycle happens and all that I guess before alef came along, Vault was in charge of of it, thus the statues being used as guides in a way imo

[compact shale]

Huh, I guess that explains why Vault would have manta DNA code (I read this attempt to decode the Vault text and DNA is one of the theories related to it)

[lusty merlin]

Oo that could explain a lot tbh

And eden was originally blue in the beta version so I think it would tie into more with vaults aesthetic. Maybe eden was Alefs gift of when they were crowned king (since I think alef/resh are the same person)

[compact shale]

That does make sense

(man I wonder what it's like to extract DNA) Open up, lil' manta! Open uuuup! *swabs the inside of their mouth

[slate charm]

What if the Eden elder is arrogant because Eden seem to have the best technology and that's why the other elders don't get along with them. And one day there's a conflict and that leads to war.

Eden takes over the war with their technology. Other elders can't bare loosing more people, and they're planning something.

The Forest elder made this mutant called krill by ||killing|| a giant manta and turning it into a living weapon. They sent some to Eden and krills destroy it. They sent the rest to golden wasteland to end the war. At first it worked just fine but then the krill started to get out of their control.

[lusty merlin]

Ooo I like this theory, the forest elder doing more harm than good because they want to war to just end is kinda sad too

[slate charm]

Yeah, but that explain the bones in boneyard and vault's fifth floor.

[lusty merlin]

Ah that’s true

[neat flint]

Krills are corrupted light creatures and it's not a machine nor a weapon

[lusty merlin]

Oof I forgot that was the case But if sky was set in a alternative universe it would be a cool storyline

[compact shale]

Most of my headcanons are better suited for alternative universes, don't worry, it can happen to any of us

[lusty merlin]

Yeah your right, I literally made an entire fannon storyline for Alef/Resh from the moment they landed in sky word to being trapped in eden

[twilit blade]

I actually wonder how "golden" Golden Wasteland truly was before corruption, assuning it truly held onto its label

[lusty merlin]

A head-cannon that plays into this cuz this will make no sense without knowing this: when a star falls, they are given a “phrase”, Elders and skykid have this to give them a purpose in their existence, its vague enough to not limit them and lets them explore it; Alef’s phrase is:”Learn”
Note: I see Resh as a shell, representing Alef’s throne and crown for becoming king. A dark stone robot powered by Alef to say the least. And I put a bit of beta lore into this convo

ANYWAYS: Teth is the overseer of building Resh. Resh marks not only the beginning of a new era, but when Alef steps up to be crowned king. They will swear absolute loyalty to the kingdom, Alef can't leave Resh even if they wanted to. When the concept was explained to Lamed, only one thought manifested into to bitter words.

"You're creating a prision for Alef."

"Creating a prison?" Teth echoed Lamed's statement.
"Yes, I am. And If Alef want's to truly learn what it means to become a king, they must know they can not falter when the choice is made. Going off topic, but do you know something that surprises me, Lamed?
That out of all the elders: you are the opposed to Alef’s crowning, is it because your afraid of giving eden to them since you would have lost your the meaning of your phrase?

“…Excuse me?”

“If we are taking your phrase: “goad” as literal; you guide the light, much as Daleth, you are a shepherd in the cycle, but instead of the beginning you lead the end. And when Alef is crowned; you will lose that role, lose sight of your phrase… Now isn’t that horrifying, Lamed?”

“If you think I am so insecure of letting a child rule a sacred land that wasn’t even mine to begin with, then do you take me for a fool?! Even so, I am a oracle of mega birds word—“

“A oracle who hasn’t received word from megabird! I came here to show my progress on Resh and get helpful feedback in return, not blatant insults to my work!”

“…Then I suggest consulting the other elder’s Teth, leave.”

MMM GUESS WHO WAS WRITING ALEF LORE AND GOT CARRIED AWAY AND WROTE THIS?MEE, also I wrote this on mobile so I’m srry if formatting is wonky

[severe gazelle]

Don't remember who posted it but they were able to find side by side comparison to buildings found in GW to other buildings in different realms

Seeing as there's SO much, PLUS the fact some of the structures are spread so far on either side of each area of the GW I can only imagine how BIG these buildings were

So this was in ascent. Make of it what you will, but isn't this the throne thingie from the Vault? Or do you guys think that there's an entire throne thing in Eden which is separate to the throne room thing in the Vault

Also don't know about yall but I think it's interesting that the imagery of this is different- usually the Elders are depicted? But in this image it's just the king. Surrounded by what looks like Home

Also i truly believe that the King's symbol/emblem is a diamond

[hushed steeple]

It's not entirely clear here…

Is this the door to the second part of Eden? Because that gate looks like the Isle of Dawn temple gate

[severe gazelle]

Yeah unfortunately the quality went down when I tried cropping it. Yes it is the second part of Eden

[hushed steeple]

Aaa I have a collection of pics from Eden but I'd have to dig them out
But yeah, there are lots of parallels between the realms and Eden itself

[severe gazelle]

Also! I find it super interesting that since the king seems to be using diamonds as their symbol. Why is there a sun symbol? The last time this shield was around was in the Battlefield at the GW.

Also noting the massive swords in the wall...

[lusty merlin]

Maybe there was a war going on, sun vs the other symbol that I can’t remember , maybe the sun army managed to push towards eden and set up camp before whatever changed eden got to them

[compact shale]

What's a sun army?

[severe gazelle]

Omg true! Yes, I think King= Diamond, resistance/megabird(?)= Sun

@compact shale if you look at the GW Battlefield there's two distinct shields, one with Sun and another with Diamond, I personally theorise that perhaps the Sun people were against the king and were revolting against him?

[lusty merlin]

Ahh that explains it! I knew there were sun shield’s but couldn’t remember the other one, the other shield being diamond explains ALOT

[compact shale]

hmm, rebellion against the king... I'd like to know more about it!

[tidal valve]

The images above are also similar to the depictions on the door that you open in isle temple!

also interesting note, isle elder isn’t present on the eden door at home, there are only 5 elder masks on the door, none include isle.

poor him, must’ve not gotten invited to the party? jk but in all seriousness I think he isn’t there to help further represent the rebirth cycle, would be strange if life and death were both together huh?

Also, in sky maps, isle is seperate from the others, pushed far away and back from everything, not even connected, so in a way, makes sense isle doesn’t make his lovely appearance on the eden gate

Also, off topic, anybody happen to know any sources to find the elder prarie and valley pin quotes?

[severe gazelle]

Okay I've read again on Tumblr that people Theorise that there was a falling out with the Isle elder and the other elders, e.g. Isle Elder was the first to be suspicious about The King's motifs and the first to notice the King's greed. Maybe that's why?

[compact shale]

There's a theory about Isle being the sin of envy. could it be that he's envious of the other elders because he doesn't get to be there with them? They're separate?

[tidal valve]

that’s interesting! lmao time to screenshot to add to the googledoc

[torn swallow]

Maybe bc they think that he's too old to be elder and lead, and they're tryna slowly demote him?

[tidal valve]

Omg no not them ganging up on my pal isle, he’s my favourite

[severe gazelle]

People say its either Isle Elder or Lamed who are the first to be suspicious with the King's motifs and greed

[torn swallow]

I mean tbh that's the whole point of being an elder
An ELDER
Someone who has seen everything and is not young anymore

[dull mulch]

Hi

[compact shale]

I mean, Lamed smort

[torn swallow]

Big brain ahaha

Wait what if they eventually started getting more and more tense, and went to war with each other between the realms. The light creatures felt it and their joy and happiness was gone, making them into dark dragons and krebs.

Also there was a shortage of water and spirits started taking water from the krebs, which is why they're always found near water to protecc it from the spirits

[compact shale]

For a while I thought they were extracting water from the crabs

like that was what i read from ur message lol

[severe gazelle]

I think defs had something to do with that maybe.

My HC is that

the explosion or the catalytic event that happened in Eden which turned those creatures into dark creatures. I think it was @tidal valve who pointed out that light creatures that die unnatural deaths leave behind skeletons? We only see said skeletons in the forest (hunting animals to extinction), GW and Vault.

I Theorise GW has those bones due to dealing the brunt of the damage caused by Eden OR the war waged against the two sides.

The Vault skeletons are a bit more complex- they appear to be left there on purpose/like a shrine? Perhaps it was a beloved animal that meant a lot to someone?

[compact shale]

Or maybe part of an experiment?

[severe gazelle]

That is also plausible, again with the Battlefield weapons used there seemed to point to flying enemies/ this may be the fact both sides of the war had those big boy whales (the light version of krill).

Or maybe the King unleashed the Krill experiments on the opposing army? Who knows

[coarse dragon]

If it was a beloved animal then who did it belong to? The vault elder?

[compact shale]

Maybe krill-related experiments, but not experiments on CREATING krill (they are confirmed to be corrupted light creatures, they aren't artificial machines like the Journey Guardians)

Maybe they were trying to figure out what the krill were and how to disable/purify them

[tidal valve]

I was going to make a krill joke, but it wasn’t funny lol

maybe! I feel like the bones there r just for the dreamlike reality, also I think each area reflects a realm/ story of sky, the bones could be a way of expressing that I mean, it is vault of knowledge

[boreal nebula]

My theory instead is that during the cataclysm the elders created a containment field around Eden to avoid thedestruction to spread into other realms, but in order to complete that barrier the Eden Door should have been sealed from the outside and since he was the oldest and wisest he decided to shield the little exit with his powers while the others had to seal the door to avoid the corruction spreading (sort of like Gandalf "you shall not pass)

This is why he arrive in his temple cutscene from broken AND also broken

@severe gazelle @compact shale

[compact shale]

Interesting

[boreal nebula]

each floor definitely seems to reflect a bit the 7 realms
Floor 1 has sands like in Isle
Floor 2 idk 😅
Floor 3 has trees and rock gazebo like in Forest
Floor 4 has floating buildings reminding Valley
Floor 5 has just giant bones, reminding of Wasteland
Floor 6 (before elevator stops) has the full knowledge of the 6 realms constellation
Floor 7-ish (stopped elevator) floating diamond reach the altars of the 6 Elders which is the same as the (maybe) real one in Eden Castle
(Note: real one because if you happend to OOB there the sizes of those Elders tombs are way bigger than those in the dreamlike floor 6-7)

Maybe the whole concept of using the elevator bringing that diamond crystal and lighting it could have a parallel with what Elders and King/Prince/Chosen One did during the creation of the Giant Red Power Diamon in Eden

[coarse dragon]

Do you think maybe they chose the isle elder because he’s the one that basically caused the whole destruction by “raising” the Chosen One

[boreal nebula]

Idk why Discord copied my previous comment

[boreal nebula]

I don't think so, I'd like to think it was selfless act

Btw we have not really a proof that the chosen one was raised in Isle, if you ask me, I think he could have been raised in any realm

[severe gazelle]

Perhaps. I mean he WAS found in the Isle by the ponytail spirit xd

[hushed steeple]

Where are dark dragons dragon like features

Tick tock

[pastel nymph]

are you saying a dragon needs these "dragon like features" you assume a dragon needs?
not all dragons need wings, breathe fire or what do you think.
krills are alike dragons. they fly, they are powerful and they are the "dragons" of sky. that's my opinion

[hushed steeple]

Krills dont fly, and fire doesnt last underwater. So idk what youre getting to

Oh wait that does sound cool
A water snake— no, wait.. an AIR snake

[coarse dragon]

Chinese dragons don’t have wings just like the krills

[shut trellis]

Say the prince was a skykid
were there other skykids at that time?

[severe gazelle]

I reckon the prince was the first and last?

My HC is that our sky Kids are actually broken up fragments of the original Prince- because he was super powerful AND really big as the King.

And as the Devs have mentioned the King isn't around anymore

[icy spruce]

I would say no, I mean I like the idea of skids appearing before the fall but I prefer the ‘skids appear after the fall’

[nimble ingot]

in wasteland, there is a battlefield in front of the temple.
There you can see the round shields with the light symbol on it (what Tac called, the Sun army) along with spears.
The other side was a diamond shield with blades.

[nimble ingot]

That is it, thanks. 👍

[hushed steeple]

Any sign from next ts?

[orchid jolt]

Sooo, uh... it just clicked that there are two red lights from enchantment. Both seem to work for the daily quest and probably for the one from the questgiver

i wonder, are there other enchantment lights with duplicates?

[jaunty tapir]

I checked some guides and it's only the red light that has two locations!

[jaunty tapir]

No hints yet. Watch out for any announcement in #news or some hints at #general-sky-discussion

[orchid jolt]

fascinating

[jaunty tapir]

Additional details from the wiki (https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/Season_of_Enchantment#Red_Light_.28Week_1.29)

Players are told that the Spirits long for Red Light, and that it is found ‘where darkness prevails’. Upon returning the Light, the Nodding Muralist uses it to illuminate the murals they painted on the ark.

I wonder why red light is special

[orchid jolt]

also the orange/yellow light is orange in game, yellow on the artwork, and the item we can get from the spirit is yellow. This is probably just something overlooked but its odd. The item looks more like a lightseekers light rather than the orange one in game

[jaunty tapir]

Yes! Like the ones in the cave at Isle!! Haha. Although it also looks like the colored orbs in spell shop So yeah, probably overlooked...

Someone posted here before about what they thought the differences was with all the Light in the game (lightseekers, enchantment, prophecy etc) not sure how to find it though // if it's relevant.

[nimble ingot]

Interesting how red lights are found in locations where both have large shipwrecks and with a lone krill in the area.

[robust flare]

Idk if I have the energy to read all of the comments since I was last here, BUT I forgot an important thing I had in mind. What if eden is actually a memory that we just replay over and over? ALSO. When you start the game, home is stormy, so I want to know if there's a past, present, and future to the game, and we just shift from one to another

There's definitely some stuff about the past, seeing as the game is based around memories, but the puzzle is figuring out which is which

[compact shale]

I'd like to see that light chart too... or whatever it was

[coarse dragon]

Why do krills like tearing down ships? Do they work for the king so that no one can come in or out of the planet?

[nimble ingot]

@coarse dragon
They are after the light.
They could have sensed the light energy onboard.

That is one theory. Another theory is the storm was so rough, the flying ships were struck down, or lost power while mid air.

[torn swallow]

Guys, I have a theory and hear me out here...
Sky kids are blind.
There are so many evidence bits.
Like the fact that their eyes are closed under the mask. (ik that doesn't necessarily mean that they are blind)
And that if you go close to an object, your character will touch it automatically.
And that our honk could maybe be echolocation to find spirits and other beings??

[cursive galleon]

I have that theory too! Well, a version of that.

[torn swallow]

Ooh what's your version?

[cursive galleon]

They are blind without the masks and can only sense the amount of Light or corruption around them (like when you close your eyes and turn towards a lamp or something), the masks give them better sight by using Light.

Edit: I explain maskless as an invisible mask.

[torn swallow]

yep that works haha
I don't think that they can see, but they could be able to sense light around them

[tidal valve]

ok I was thinking, if the little prince area was cannon (which i don’t think it’s cannon because it’s a collaboration event) then the story would’ve had to take place before darkness fell because it’s the only area in sky (except orbit) where there are stars in the sky

[strange siren]

Leaking darkness??? What does this suggest about the Ark

[hushed steeple]

That its part of wasteland where they dump their dark. Guess even the prettiest of wasteland is still a wasteland

[torn swallow]

Mhm, maybe before hidden forest?

[deep osprey]

Actually, I was thinking of something else. Vault is below Eden, while wasteland is beside it. Maybe the darkness from Eden swept downhill to Wasteland, while Vault was untouched? I have a drawing I made at school, if this helps.

Also, here's my theory on the shipwreck: A cargo ship was wrecked by a beach, spilling oil into the water. A whale in the polluted water was corrupted into a krill, and the Saluting Captain was trying to help everyone else. I know that the krill existed when the Saluting Captain was helping others, because the last memory sequence shows him looking precisely at a section of the bow of the ship, where the krill's path runs through.

[nimble ingot]

wasteland is the worst affected realm in sky, right after Eden. Although eden has no dark plants, candles or spirits.

The dark wind blowing in from forgotten ark, might be a warning of something bad coming later in the season.

[severe gazelle]

Do you guys think that the Season of Enchanment happened AFTER the fall? Seeing as krill already existed AND this is assuming there was probably darkness leaking from that area?

Also do you think the other shipwreck was a ship which accompanied the one at the forgotten ark?- coz im pretty sure the mural had a second boat.

[deep osprey]

There is a huge storm going into Wasteland, so yes, it probably happened after. Plus, why would the indifferent alchemist need to purify water if at the time it was already purified?

[shut trellis]

thanks, and, i agree with that, of course for me with the exception of the prince. besides it does make more sense, skykids have a bigger purpose now.

[severe gazelle]

Exactly- I wonder if we will get to see other seasons that shows us how people tried to survive after the fall. Coz there's no way the seasons would be in chronolgical order LOL

[shut trellis]

Yes and no. I believe the world started corrupting before the big storm so it could have happened before. But it could have happened post-storm.

[severe gazelle]

I think the Little Prince's story must be some sort of parallel to Sky's story/the Prince's (later King's) story.

Like I could see some similarities in the adults that form the part of the story

[deep osprey]

[severe gazelle]

I think geologically speaking it would seen to make sense it happened that way

[hushed steeple]

it was flourishing land

[deep osprey]

Wasteland was some military base, ||Eden|| was the capitol.

[icy spruce]

what’s the topic?

[severe gazelle]

Definitely not. Going with what these guys said- and I think it was on its way to ruin maybe but even then both were flourishing Realms. Plus their names suggest some sort of wealth e.g. golden? Maybe it was called the golden city? And Eden, is supposed to be some sort of paradise

But in present times both don't appear that way...

[shut trellis]

wasteland? I don't know. but definitely had factories. and bases. eden? kinda the main place to stay in so like, great halls and fancy and buildings

[rigid mural]

Idk who said that krill don't attack spirit memories, it was a while ago, but take this:

[icy spruce]

Damn, u didn’t loose any WLs

[deep osprey]

Wasteland has architectural similarities to Valley, and valley was veryy decorated with gold

[severe gazelle]

YES! THIS! plus that one krill area, clearly has similarities to a temple. There's a lot of golden motifs around. I shone my little light to see the structures better, as far as I could tell there were blueish motifs. But the main structures are black. Perhaps the paint rubbed off over time or the darkness took over

Also @rigid mural slayyyy xd

[icy spruce]

I mean, they used to be one (Golden Valley) so there’s that

[deep osprey]

The first krill area looks like a clone of the Forest temple...

[orchid jolt]

crabs can also do that, it was an issue when reliving pleaful parent, crabs kept knocking the spirit out while i was carrying the light to it

[shut trellis]

i wish there were spirits in eden except for our dead acquaintances souls and statutes

[severe gazelle]

On the same note, it's kinda suggested these structures at the valley were MASSIVE.

I think someone did say that the gw must have been part of the Valley

Since the social area's left over structure kinda resembles motifs found there

[icy spruce]

Yes

[deep osprey]

If they put spirits in Eden, it would distract players from the objective. It's also the reason why there are no side areas in Eden.

[hushed steeple]

I would love a season in Eden too much

[shut trellis]

True, but at least a spirit statue or something would be great.

[icy spruce]

Valley but ground

[deep osprey]

For some reason I look at Graveyard and it screams "Pier" at me. Fyi, krills are corrupted whales.

[hushed steeple]

I have already seen drawings of this style, rarely passing in the artists' room

[shut trellis]

Valley but less fun

[severe gazelle]

Lmaoooo

What if it was a beach valley or something seeing as there's lots of water

[hushed steeple]

nothing is official, the krills may have been a creature of light that we have never seen so far

[shut trellis]

If there was a season in eden it would deprive from the OG purpose.... but unless theres a small cave on the side for the season.. TLP's final quest already made us go to eden so

[icy spruce]

concept art is better in general (but our phone couldn’t hand it so :( )

[hushed steeple]

jenova chen once said that we will have to wait in time for the truth about krills, their origin, and what they looked like before to arrive.

[nimble ingot]

That was me, it is not easy to set it up, but it is possible.

[shut trellis]

warzone military base beach valley

[icy spruce]

Personally, the Bintendo switch creature

[severe gazelle]

Defs Nintendo switch creature

Its an adult version of that at least

[shut trellis]

ah yes bintendo but agreed. or manta or something haha

[hushed steeple]

maybe, yes or no, we will have the truth one day or another on this^^

[severe gazelle]

Plus in the Vault when you go to the wasteland level there's a massive comic/adult version of the little one from the switch version. I don't think they put it there as a coincidence

[icy spruce]

🇧intendo

[shut trellis]

in the Nintendo switch sky trailer there was a creature at the beginning. chesca posted it above

[icy spruce]

Ooooo

[hushed steeple]

imagine that many species of creature of light have disappeared

them for example too

[shut trellis]

well. ancestors aren't made of light but at least ancestors did. and probably that manta shrimp

[icy spruce]

ye, which sucks because damn it would be interesting

[hushed steeple]

don't worry over time we will be more ^^

[shut trellis]

now, a question which I dont think really has an answer to, but, are there any other realms in sky? seems like a small world. yeah theres probably other underwater places but.. would there be other creatures there? like how spirits have animal masks despite them not being in game? could be not made of light or darkness?

[hushed steeple]

Underwater

for me at the very beginning, the world was a continent, the celestial world did not exist before the arrival of the ancients. the continent was submerged with time, that is why the celestial world was created

this is what I understand when I watch the teaser switch, the ancestors all go to the celestial world because the continent is doomed to disappear

it wasn't a festival, they were getting ready to join their new kingdom

[shut trellis]

I thought it was a marketplace haha

true but actually, nevermind, it doesn't really look like a market but i could be wrong

actually idk at this point

[orchid jolt]

Prince

[icy spruce]

prince

[shut trellis]

I believe so, probably whatever the valley elders were doing with their sticks

[hushed steeple]

It dosent look like a mantis shrimp though.

Perhaps I can imagine all the unused concept areas are places that got wrecked at some point guess that does not work for the ones involving cities, but im gonna say it does anywho

I have heard krale and now mantis shrimp, light krill, ect I have been calling it mantatee. Watch as it gets a real name soonish.

[harsh pecan]

Lol

What is t h a t

[shut trellis]

what the

[hushed steeple]

See? One eye compaired to two bibbily bobbily eyes

Wait are yall just now learning of mantis shrimp and their trippy look?

They can punch the arm off a crab.

[shut trellis]

I had never even heard of a mantis shrimp before.

[hushed steeple]

They have....fins?

Then again I been looking at exclusively the concept art version because I like its horns better.

Fins aint legs less’n you a mudskipper

[shut trellis]

im sorry but that creature looks like a weird mix of random creatures

[hushed steeple]

Oh back fin. Thats like the most common shape for sky creatures back fin though.

It actually has layered neck plates like a krill does too. Prolly to further connect them except they messed up and I wish they added the horns

Its mean! Its cruel! I can be dramatic as I long that light creatures deserve cool ram horns also!

[red ivy]

horns on jellyfish?
I don't even know which way is it's head

next season mission: restore isle of dawn to it's former glory

[hushed steeple]

Jellys would get little antenna instead

[shut trellis]

what a huge mission. we'd need all of the skykids helping

i mean, i guess
the king/prince = trial champion dude, conqueror of elements
and some other stuff

[hushed steeple]

Yall inspired. I drew one up real quick

[tidal valve]

I think that this creature, the plates that it is wearing are armour, you if look closely you can see interlacing sections and buckles

[tidal valve]

I feel like there are other realms in sky, season of flight has shown that wind paths are made by migratory light creatures, and since the storm it can be assumed that many light creatures died, therefore frequently used wind paths where then no longer in use restricting areas and realms once more.

in contrast though, some places where revealed though after decades of decay from lack of maintence like the vault archives

[hushed steeple]

The head is dark like a sanctuary whale, And it has yellow trim. I think that part is organic. Either a hole is drilled in the “tusk” or the buckle is attached to nothing

[tidal valve]

I think somebody here posted a theory that manta/ light creatures became corrupted by wearing power diamond armour

[harsh pecan]

I like the horns

[hushed steeple]

SAME. I think they are ✨elegant✨

[harsh pecan]

Y e s

[coarse dragon]

Are krills corrupted mantas?

[harsh pecan]

Yeah

[coarse dragon]

Oooh that makes sense

[shut trellis]

I suppose. People were thinking it was the Nintendo switch trailer creature as shown above.
which is probably a manta or subspecies of a manta. (plus the whole light evolution concept thingy)

[coarse dragon]

That means I might be in trouble 0-0

[shut trellis]

You know, it's now weird(er) to think about that krill eating the manta...

[coarse dragon]

A corrupted manta, eating a manta 🤭

[harsh pecan]

._.

[coarse dragon]

Wait, if that is a subspecies of manta, does that mean that there are different species of light creatures 0-0 that’s awesome!

[shut trellis]

okay. anyways. i mean, yes? and no. i don't know, really. there is the whole light evolution theory/concept where butterflies becomes birds, then mantas, or something like that. eventually into whales. but at the same time, fish could also evolve into whales.. maybe? so yeah probably.

[hushed steeple]

Sorta like

[coarse dragon]

Ngl that looks really cool

What’s the difference between those two whales tho?

[hushed steeple]

Ones the whale of sanctuary, whom some call “elder light creature” or “elder manta” and one is the coelacanth whom is sometimes called “whale”.

Sanctuary whale is only in sanctuary, canth is seen in forest cavern, wasteland flying entrance cloud sea, eden ect.

[coarse dragon]

Ooh, lol I was just about to ask where to find them

[hushed steeple]

And to find the sanctuary whale you have to complet- actually from your pfp it looks like you sorta already know.

[coarse dragon]

Yeah lol

[shut trellis]

oh yeah thats really cool. the evolution is cool, but confusing as well

[coarse dragon]

Opinions: which whale is better

[hushed steeple]

If the canth actually had patterns, I would like it better. But the ones in game are just pure white aside from their sculls, they look like they lack something. I like swimming out to the sanctuary whale and have it dive at you. Its fun to see it up close.

[coarse dragon]

I think the elder manta is better because it can probably fly just like it’s previous forms plus it can swim, give light and over all is probably really strong judging from its size

[tidal valve]

canth have tiny feathers uwu and apprently when they are energised they shimmer (they also eat flames)

[jaunty tapir]

The whale canth is believed to be a neutral creature right? And I like how they attack buildings to save the few light left in their world.

[coarse dragon]

Isn’t that like eating yourself?

[hushed steeple]

Yeah....but I think all that was just concept art. They look so cool in concept. Like bioluminescent deep sea creatures.

[tidal valve]

well they are light creatures, and we also are a hybrid of light, we both use flame our own healing/ flying purposes

[coarse dragon]

That’s true

[hushed steeple]

Canth is a light creature. Prolly helped fight against darkness in wasteland during the war considering Tsadi’s mask is based off them.

[coarse dragon]

We’re do Sky kids fit on this evolution web?

[hushed steeple]

A hybrid of ancestor and light creature. Maybe a hint of elder too.

[harsh pecan]

Canth?

[tidal valve]

sky children came after the stars fell, we are made as a hybrid of light/ ancestors, I’d say our evolution doesn’t change much, just extra wedges on our capes

(I like to think a part of our souls after we ascend become winged light, since it was said somewhere that they are imprints of sky children)

[coarse dragon]

Oooo I like the sound of that 🤩

[hushed steeple]

Short for coelacanth

[harsh pecan]

Oh

[coarse dragon]

Wait does that mean that Sky kids are related to ancestors, elders AND light creatures?

[hushed steeple]

Well by hybrid its like....a creational hybrid. Mega prolly took the concept for ancestors and light creatures for skykids. Not like.....ancestors and creatures actually like......um....getting together..

[coarse dragon]

In irl a coelacanth is a jawed fish which was found in Africa, I forgot why it was important but I know it was related to human evolution

[tidal valve]

I don’t think we are related, since elders and skykids are different, I just like to think in a way we are all connected through the megabird rebirth cycle and through our light

[hushed steeple]

They where thought to be extinct for a long time, they are ancient fishes. So rediscovering them was a big deal.

Or maybe you just play animal crossing

[coarse dragon]

I wouldn’t be surprised if the flowers were created by the megabird, seems like it makes everything on the sky planet

[tidal valve]

when you walk through flowers in sky, they glow a brighter colour when you pass by them

perhaps they are just hollow and our light just emits of from them

or, maybe they are filled by some sort of passive light that needs a source in order to charge?

I’m thinking to much into this... they are just.... flowers...

[coarse dragon]

Sky lore is so deep that we’re talking about the flowers now

[tidal valve]

I wish there was more concept art maps posted for isle, like man, I want to see all the concept art LIKE give me the concept art to even like, the grass or whatever I want ANSWERS

[coarse dragon]

I wanna know if the ancestors in different realms answer to the elders or if they just do anything, IS IT A MONARCHY OR WHAT???!

[hushed steeple]

Its a Kingdom for a reason.

[harsh pecan]

I think it was probably a monarchy because y’know, the King

[coarse dragon]

Yeah but isn’t the king gone?

[harsh pecan]

So is everyone else

[coarse dragon]

That’s sad

[hushed steeple]

Its totally ok because now all the dead people get to babysit 10,000,000 new star babies

[coarse dragon]

Especially the moths who just flail around and honk at people 🤣, imagine waking up from death and seeing a kid honk at you

[shut trellis]

random but
after going to gen-chat and sharing a bit of lore, i've somewhat forgotten that not everyone will be interested or know much about the lore(not a bad thing just not used to it).

[hushed steeple]

Sometimes I talk about it to in game friends. Baha.

But like a cliffnotes version

[shut trellis]

they probably do follow their elders, but they mainly listen to the king i would say

[coarse dragon]

Ungrateful peeps in gen chat 👀, we are sharing our knowledge with them

[shut trellis]

I don't really have any friends that are interested in the lore. If I do, i don't talk with them or they have stopped playing.

[coarse dragon]

I have 1 friend in Sky who likes lore 😔

[shut trellis]

I like how you reacted to your own message haha

[coarse dragon]

I needed that hug 😅

[shut trellis]

talking about Sky lore will make me happy even if it frustrates me or almost blows up my brain sometimes 😄

[coarse dragon]

That’s so true, no matter how complicated or complex it becomes I always try to simplify it to wrap my brain around it lol

[orchid jolt]

OH SHOOT
I JUST REALIZED
THE PRINCE'S HEAD IS THE LOADSTONE (or whatever its actual name is, one sec lemme look it up)
OK ITS CALLED A KEYSTONE
https://www.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_stone_at_the_top_of_an_arch_called

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keystone_(architecture)#:~:text=A keystone (or capstone) is,or vault to bear weight.
remember the idea that the Prince was just a child who was suddenly thrust into their position of power?
and that its only natural for them to crumble under that immense pressure?
well, a keystone bears the entire arch's weight, or pressure
and without it the arch crumbles
having pushed the poor prince to a title to large for even the elders to bear, let alone a child, the kingdom doomed themselves. The prince, the poor young prince, could not handle the immense pressure and crumbled under its weight. Without the watchful eye they had created, the spirits and elders fell from grace and found themselves lying among the shattered remains of a broken kingdom.

[coarse dragon]

All this because they didn’t know how to raise a child

[ember temple]

Yeah :/

[shut trellis]

To be honest. If only they didn't send the prince to the trials. If only they'd raised him like how a normal child or any other child should be raised. Unless they sent the other children to trials too, then, that would be messed up.

[ember temple]

Now I wonder if they did send other children to the trials too to test them and discarded them when they didn’t pass

[icy spruce]

But then ‘King’ wouldn’t exists and if ‘King’ didn’t exists then skids wouldn’t exist (prolly)

[orchid jolt]

tbh, the memories of the prophets does suggest all of that. they trained the children for the trials only for them all to die (evidenced by the murals) and one glowing child to make it

[shut trellis]

I don't remember how the prophets' memories looked like. I don't recall children in them but I could be wrong. I think the trials are a life or death thing. maybe not. maybe even a mental challenge. but i doubt it.
oh now that happy ameoba said that uh ouch

[ember temple]

Can you show the murals? I didn’t know that

[orchid jolt]

as the ruination of the kingdom probably wouldnt have occured, we wouldnt be needed

[shut trellis]

I am. Questioning things. I stand by what I say, that is some messed up stuff. Are they allowed to choose if they will participate in a trial or do they get forced to?

[ember temple]

Also this means the base spirits we see participated in the trials and died via that…

[shut trellis]

If they choose to, not as messed up but messed up enough for allowing them to do those trials. If they don't, well, no explanation needed to know that's terrible.

[orchid jolt]

@ember temple also @shut trellis here are the murals and the ones depicting the presumed corpses (the kids lying down) if you relive the prophecy memories, youll see the students

[ember temple]

Interesting…so the kid gathered the lights and then what? It seems the air one went to Eden?

[orchid jolt]

tbh i have no clue, but i do kjnow that my child brain would be like "I KNEW I WAS THE CHOSEN ONE"-probvably not like that but something like it.

[shut trellis]

same, but i'd be too scared to attempt the trials.

[orchid jolt]

nah, supposedly the glowing kid may have gifted them to certain elders (water maybe to forest toi help with forest fires-its a theory some have). The glowing kid then went to eden like us or that may depict us

[ember temple]

But when we do them and fail we don’t die; we just get sent back to a checkpoint
On top of that the trials seem to take place in a separate space if it makes sense, like a mental simulation
So do the spirits really die when failing a trial? Or do they just get disqualified

[icy spruce]

For me, I think that the spirits just fainted and not actually die

[orchid jolt]

that is for us, the ones who could make it where the 64 before us couldnt. the ones so deeply tied to both the light and the darkness that we could save ourselves (ill link my whole theory explaining this in a minute)
Edit: Heres the link: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[ember temple]

Was it actually 64 others who attempted the trials?

[shut trellis]

Thats a good point.
First, maybe because of the fact that we are skykids that we don't die. But second, yeah that makes sense. my friend mentioned it once. my only problem is air, which represents balance. how does that work mentally? mental balance? but otherwise, we do meditate so i guess it could work.

[orchid jolt]

there are atleast 64 statues we can save in sacrifice (there are others we cant save befpre pnr but thats not what im focusing on)

[ember temple]

Wait but those are in Eden, not in the trials

[orchid jolt]

I mean, we easily slip there (at least i do).

also, yes they are not in the trials but it shows us that we are different from all who came before us, they dont follow our rules and we dont follow theirs

[sharp lichen]

I thought they get either injured/fainted/died. I also thought that since Skykids suffer no penalty for falling, they don’t get any elemental powers when they complete the Trials.

[icy spruce]

Where are my 350 hearts?

Oh, I forgot

Where are my 400 hearta

[orchid jolt]

???

[robust marten]

[shut trellis]

350? thats alotta hearts

[orchid jolt]

[robust marten]

ohhhhhh

[icy spruce]

Well, Baudshaw owes me that amount of hearts

[orchid jolt]

ya gotta remove the spaces in between the emogies lol

[robust marten]

[orchid jolt]

[orchid jolt]

ah that accursed line of the final krill, i have no idea what causes that. it doesnt seem to be the emogi exactly it seems to have something to do with the position of the message. all of em have lines but that one gets bigger for some reason

[shut trellis]

Why do skykids and spirits wear masks?

[hushed steeple]

Eyeball beams

[shut trellis]

same thing for spirits too?

[robust flare]

I REMEMBERED ANOTHER THING I NOTICED. WITH THE SALUTE EMOTE, THERE'S BIRDS. WASTELAND HAD BIRDS

[shut trellis]

Yeah. But they kinda perished due to y'know...
Either that or they flew somewhere else safer. Most likely both, some died, some moved.

[robust flare]

Yeah, they probably are very much dead. But still a sign of what kind of life was found there! Elder creatures, probably butterflies (though TGC removed them), and birbs

And mantas

[shut trellis]

Wasteland could have been as heavily populated as any other area until chaos started to erupt.
Technically its still populated but the creatures are all dark. With a few exceptions like that manta that dies repeatedly.

[dawn falcon]

when spirits die like us , they turn to black rock (travelling spirits and stuff are black rock)

[shut trellis]

Wait. Is Sky lore telling humans not to polute? Not to harm the ecosystem? Ancestors did just that and boom, ulimate mass destruction.

[dawn falcon]

you mean the darkness balls blast from the geyser in the Sanctuary>?

[hushed steeple]

It means not to use all your creatures made of red fabric-oops, I mean light.

[shut trellis]

Well, that and the many factories + pipes.

[robust flare]

Yeah, Sky has two sides; advancement at the risk of corruption, or not advancing but not destroying the world
Edit - dark stones/artificial stars/power diamonds are at the heart of the darkness

[shut trellis]

To be honest isn't that somewhat of the real world? But yeah.

[robust flare]

And selfishness/greed

For those who don't know what the dark stone is, they're usually (maybe always? Can't remember, it's late) found in the form of kinda roundish, diamondish gold things with dark holes in the top. They're also a type of battery, stronger than flame but dangerous. You can find them by sanctuary geyser, shipwreck (crab fields), forest temple,, I think little prince geyser, maybe other places that I can't think of

[swift plaza]

Wake up it's time for Elder angst
https://twitter.com/ArsenicAcid1/status/1457672590269431809?s=20

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[hushed steeple]

Geez for these types, I always take a bet on which of the twins dies. It a common angst fanart, but the style of this one is stellar.

[swift plaza]

Mekh: you're overrated anyway smaccs Sah's mask off
ok ok skkds jokes aside we could only guess what kind of relationship do they have when they were still present

[ember temple]

Probably sibling-like

[umbral fossil]

Too tired for real sentences but had thoughts didn't want to forget, will return to this tomorrow, goodnight
Isle - pure discovery, blank slate, ocean flood, (boats)
Prairie - discovery to curiosity, (boats)
Forest - curiosity to invention, invention to convenience, (boats!)
Valley - recreational surrounded by residential, convenience to luxury, luxury to complacency (spirit olympics)(center, height)(who is cheering?), (boats!!!)
Wasteland - industrial leading to military base (war fuels invention) guarding (hoarding?) knowledge in Vault, (boats everywhere!!!)
Vault - academia, cultural archives (filled with knowledge now unreachable) (indecipherable language/inaccessible tech), boxes breaking, memory leaked, reality to Eden
Eden - capital, (invention to greed, greed to corruption, corruption to fear, fear to destruction)

[hushed steeple]

Wow

[icy spruce]

Mmm boats

[severe gazelle]

Interestingly enough it might not be the case but I shone a little light on some structures at the GW all black. Perhaps it was infused with light

Also kinda related to lore but also a meme concept:

Krills be like
https://youtu.be/CQCLMpyf66A

Someone pls make an edit of this im begging you wodhwns

[severe gazelle]

Yeah they go down with you sorta when you go through that whirl pool.

If you observe the path of winds I realised that, what if the leaked darkness is corrupted birds/what is left of those birds that flew into the swirly thing

[coarse dragon]

Are you talking about those spiky black things?

[tidal valve]

also, gw has a butterfly, but they’ve seemed to disappear last update

tgc said: no more butterfly bonk

[shut trellis]

if skykids copy what spirits do, and the prince is a skykid, that means the prince's bad actions were copied/told to be done after all /j but plausible

[orchid jolt]

according to others, tgc decided not to bring em back

[orchid jolt]

you mean the child who was thrust into a position of power and was unableto handle the immense pressure placed upon them?

[nimble ingot]

That is a real shame.
They were so nice.

[orchid jolt]

i know...

[orchid jolt]

? im gonna need a picture

[sacred saddle]

I really want to know what the golden wasteland was before, though this topic might’ve been already talked about before

[jaunty tapir]

Oh there were butterflies and birds in gw? Are there pictures?

[hushed steeple]

Wait the birds are gone?! The clump of dark plants at the top of the skeleton, in wasteland, would release a batch of butterflies, it was very useful and mysterious.

[twilit blade]

There's just a funny lil shell!

[wraith bloom]

Yea I noticed the shell there too

[robust flare]

Around 27:08 https://youtu.be/gRQZNxEhxGE
The birds are just heard in one of the spirit cutscenes, when you relive the captain's memories

[sharp latch]

I’ve not been on this chat much lately so pls reply (with a ping) some interesting theories you have seen or made recently

[lusty merlin]

No but this is what I think happened since children can be majorly influenced

[shut trellis]

yep. precisely

[modest carbon]

Balls

[shut trellis]

what do balls have to do with lore?
unless you're talking about light orbs or that sphere the prince had in a mural but..
interesting first message in a very interesting channel

[thin dirge]

Well, they're more symbolic in the game

Well, circles are. But their motifs are a lot more subtle than Diamonds

[shut trellis]

Yeah, true.
Stars are also a pretty big thing in Sky.

[cedar sun]

Not really lore but I just want to talk about my headcanon of king, can I do that?

[sharp lichen]

Sure

[cedar sun]

Okay so my headcanon does not make any sense btw but I headcanon that King was the first moth or the first sky kid and that megabird made king the villain on purpose, and when king realized that they just accepted because afterall megabird will do anything to sabotage his happiness they have ever had

Just that, again it makes no sense

[robust flare]

Did you see mine?

[harsh pecan]

👀 I like this one

[robust flare]

I can probably share my theories, this time I'll try to include more info

[torpid stag]

If all the stars fell in sky, why are there still stars in the sky in some areas?

[robust flare]

The "stars" refers to the elders! They're the primary stars I think. In an old intro it shows 6 stars falling

[torpid stag]

ohhhhhh, thats really interesting! I'n the switch trailer it shows all the stars falling but maybe that was just for artistic purposes

[robust flare]

Oh, I don't remember that! Though now that I think about it...in a way they all fell. The spirits' lights got lost

So, I think my theory might help a bit maybe

[torpid stag]

My friend brought up that maybe instead of all the stars returning being dependent on just your character might be fault, maybe all the sky kids collectivly helping the stars return (maybe by going to ||eden||) is why stars are there even when u first begin the game. Just a theory but its still cool
I really like that elder theory a lot !!

[robust flare]

At the beginning, the winged light speak. They say "the spirits here have long awaited you...and your light". Then there's the spirits voice when you light all the candles.
When you go out of the cave, it says "draw near so we can start you on the journey". Collect the wl, "now you're ready! The temple calls you". Then when you get to the first barrier. "The skies used to be connected by the spirits. Elders let the spirits ascend in temples. Their light is lost now. Go find their light" (VERY approximate retelling)

I think maybe the prince created the constellations (prophecy murals), and put the elders in charge of ascending the spirits. I think the spirits can descend through the gravestones, but if the gravestone breaks, then their light is forever lost. The constellations hold the spirits lights

(Also....pots with rotting darkness in them become crabs 🤫)

OH HERE'S A WEIRD THING I BELIEVE. There's some wind stuff in a cave in sanctuary, in the wind paths at the enchantment entry, I think other spots. I think they are FISH. Not wind. FISHIES.

[orchid jolt]

... those things are actually from light awaits, meant to symbolize the wind. There are already fish in game

But, believe what you wish to believe, we know basically nothing anyway tbh

[shut trellis]

what you just said sums up the entire lore chat and sky lore itself.

imagine if the word propaganda gets censored someday
anyways this probably isn't lore related but why is the pity room called, well, the pity room?

[harsh pecan]

oh no

[neat flint]

possibly

[jade river]

should i reshare my gigantic paragraphs of my headcanon of the past of sky

its long but it would be funny

[shut trellis]

hopefully won't be censored haha but we never know...

[jade river]

i will re share my gigantic lore theory, expect a massive text wall

mods if it gets censored/muted i'll understand

[echo horizon]

I was thinking about places where you can exit/enter through multiple spots and you would still end up in the same place. I've already heard a theory that Vault is just a dream, so what if places like that library on the right at the beginning of Vault or Shipwreck are like... ghastly apparitions or just extensions of the spirits that reside there but aren't real? because I doesn't really make sense that you enter through one place and exit out another but still end up in the same spot lol. The library tunnel place was made for the Season of Belonging grandpa, so maybe it's just part of a memory of his. And maybe the shipwreck is just a memory of the captain. spooky ghost ship?

[shut trellis]

well, it may not be blocked because of the length, but its possible you have words in there that will be censored. theres some stuff i didnt know were when i typed long stuff, but lets hope.

[jade river]

TEXT WALL INCOMING (The slowmode is gonna make me take some time to send it since it exceeds discord text limit like 4-5 times lmao)

huge emphasis that this is my personal theory and shouldn't be considered canon, there are possible mistakes and continuity errors, any feedback and opinion will be praised

it is unknown which species the old spirits are so to avoid confusion the old civilization will be referred as "spirit kind"

about a many many centuries ago the old spirits lived and populated the former realms, it is known in fact (by switch trailer) that multiple realms exist prior to isle of dawn, centuries before any form of government could exist the old spirits lived divided into different tribes/groups, conflict existed but it was on a small level, as the population levels increased the tensions amongst this groups grew and grew forcing them to settle who would be the ruler of the realms leading to the trials of prophecy as each leader of this tribes/groups competed to prove who was the strongest, after the trial of fire the leader of the tribe of the valley (valley of triumph) rose as victorious becoming the ruler of the spirit kind, the kingdom was born and centered around the valley (becoming the capital) as decades passed new discoveries were made and the population grew with this kingdom becoming the greatest power in the known world leading to mass migration from far away realms to this lands, the kingdom began to rapidly invest into areas of investigation and knowledge, the vault was created as a way of preserving the history and discoveries of the spirit kind, one of this essential discoveries was diamond technology, by canalizing energy into a dark-stone the power introduced would be doubled becoming a sort of generator of energy which powered things from fancy doors to the new built floating ships which revolutionized transportation and infrastructure.

despite how beneficial the revolution was to the kingdom's economy and society the pollution which was produced became a large issue yet it was ignored not only by the king himself but by its staff which lead to the destruction of the environment near the industrial sector (golden wasteland) alongside this the social inequality of the kingdom aggravated with thousands working on the factories to increase the dark-stone diamond production, this lead to massive social issues with workers demanding better conditions/rights and with opponents of the government criticizing the not stopping pollution of the world, this lead to massive internal and social division which would spark what is known as the kingdom's civil war

the greatest symbol of strength of the kingdom was the eden diamond, which worked as the greatest powerhouse of the kingdom, being built at the peak of the kingdom's golden age located at the top of the vault and king's palace, it was no doubt a show off of strength and power

despite the existence of such powerful artifact rebel groups began to form which were actively against the actions of the empire, at an unknown date this rebel groups began hostile strikes against the kingdom's trade routes, striking and destroying hundreds of cargo ships, the war begun and the realms of isle, prairie and forest quickly fell into rebel control many members of the kingdom's army switched sides and began to aid the rebels, in a matter of days the king's forces were struggling to keep control over the capital at valley, being greatly outnumbered the king's forces retreated to the industrial sector and began mounting a massive defensive perimeter around the vault's entrance and GW's greatest factory, what went later was a process of stalemate.

[shut trellis]

I don't know what the ship, is sorry haha. But, yeah vault is an illusion. More like a memory than a dream, in my opinion(of course im prolly wrong. also i didn't give the answer to your question in the first place).

[jade river]

during this period both sides began to deploy weaponry with the intentions of breaking the halt, the kingdom's forces began to deploy krills, beings of pure darkness which attacked the rebel armies which usually used mantas and whales as main transport and weapons, despite the high casualties the rebel armies managed to break the stalemate which lead to the battle of golden wasteland, the land was bombed by the rebel armies leading to many deaths of civilians, this bombings also halted the cargo of valuable darkstone gems (shipwreck) after being defeated the kingdom's forces entered the vault and began a evacuation to the top of the mountain, the vault priests by this point have broken off the kingdom's government and began to fight a third force with the goal of protecting the knowledge, the vault skirmish begun with both rebel armies and king's forces trying to breach through the vault, the priests which were skilled benders managed to repel both armies for long periods of time, enough time for the king and its forces to entrench themselves at the top of the mountain where they planned to weaponize the eden diamond and turn the tides of the war

the battle of eden was about to begin

in the meantime the rebels installed a new government around valley, after some months of close quarters combat in the vault the rebel armies were ready to launch a new offensive against the king's forces, the battle was brutal and during the battle the eden diamond's capabilities on war were proven as extremely effective but as the diamond's power was shifted more and more to a destructive mode it began to grew out of control and the technicians were unable to keep the power of the diamond at bay.

[echo horizon]

I meant the ship full of crabs with saluting captain (I think that's their name) and crab whisperer

[jade river]

in what can be known as "the greatest catastrophe" the diamond began to outburst tremendous amounts of energy which lead to the deaths of most if not all combatants at eden, not only eden was affected and the storm of both darkstone gems and debris engulfed the realms, the rebel government attempted to save as many civilians as possible but with the storm lasting centuries the efforts were in vain, only the ones at the most remote areas (underground caverns, far away places) were able to survive the cataclysm, after the storm calmed down and became stable the realms of sky began to be engulfed by clouds, clouds charged with energy from the diamond itself, which engulfed both destroyed areas and areas with survivors, this marked the start of the end of the spirit kind as time passed less children were born and the species began to dwindle in numbers, the children of the survivors began to explain the tales of doom, death and glory of the past, as time passed on the first children of the light fell from the skies towards isle of dawn, this marks the end of the spirit era, giving start to the skykid era.

and here we are today, studying and walking through the remains of a once glorious kingdom, may the tragedies of the past teach the skykids to build a better future.

that is all, thanks

[echo horizon]

this would be a great story to tell at like a campfire to moths

[jade river]

any feedback and opinion will be praised!!!

my theory tries to be as realistic as possible to the known events inside sky, it ignores the possible thoughts that certain areas are illusions and dreams, and of course ignores some seasonal content

[shut trellis]

no, i don't think that its a ghost ship. just my opinion though. one random reason is that its already destroyed. in the vault "memory" it was brighter, nicer. yeah broken in a way but still nicer. at the end of vault after meditating, vault looks broken, the diamond fallen, dust, etc, etc. and its doubtful that the krill and the crabs that can knock out winged light are just a memory. in vault, the mantas are called memory mantas so it makes a little bit more sense? not entirely but... thats my two cents

[echo horizon]

yeah the dark creatures make it feel more like present-times and the floating rocks in vault seem more unreal

[jade river]

ngl im not a true believer of the vault being a dream idea, i mean we have evidence of the existence of portal technology, confirmed to be used both by skykids and spirits.

meaning that the fact we warp and teleport in vault could be explained as complex use of portal technology and possible use of non euclidian geometry during the construction of the vault.

[echo horizon]

non euclidian?

[jade river]

basically a type of geometry which kind of defies what we consider standard

[shut trellis]

i am reading your paragraphs right now
i used to not believe stuff like corrupted krills (well that became canon, sheesh) and the dream vault theory but now, ehhh

[jade river]

for me the vault has always been a place i consider to be greatly anomalous, an evident use of magic, high technology and bending (ye, spirits can bend things xD) make the vault what it is known today

its geometry, the way space is shown to us which seems to be both seemingly infinite but at the same time finite, its a non euclidian place, which defies what we consider "normal"

for me the vault feels like this (non euclidian room)

[jade river]

lmao, Lunar be like "ye i'll give feedback but please i need some time to read xD)

[shut trellis]

"after the trial of fire the leader of the tribe of the valley (valley of triumph) rose as victorious becoming the ruler of the spirit kind, the kingdom was born and centered around the valley (becoming the capital)"
I have a question about this part, it was the capital?

[echo horizon]

oh ye I don't know a lot about what is 'common knowledge' in this chat but what you wrote has a lot of honestly interesting ideas!

[jade river]

yep, valley is confirmed to be the capital of whichever civilization stood before skykids

[shut trellis]

Also, I really liked the theory! Of course there were stuff I agreed with and stuff I didn't. But overall it makes sense ^^
I just call them ancestors lol

[jade river]

lmao ty any things that u disagree i'll be more than welcome to hear, always up for some friendly lore debate xD

[shut trellis]

so this isnt a disagreement, just another question, im aware governments are needed but sky has one? and one that disagreed with the king?

[jade river]

i think sky had a monarchy, an absolute monarch (they wouldnt place imposing statues in wasteland for nothing, neither be shown a big dude with a crown in vault elder cutscene)

and as any government there are times in which people rise in anger and i think the monarchy that rules over the realms grew corrupt and more ambicious to power (like absolute monarchies suffered great revolutions in our world)

but ye in sky we had a diamond of mass destruction xD

i hope it makes sense xD

[shut trellis]

OHH WAIT, was the government on the side of the king or the other side?

@jade river

[jade river]

government was side of king

[shut trellis]

okay, sorry, i misunderstood. thanks!

[robust flare]

I just think they kinda look like fish from concept art. Some things I know are unlikely, but I still hope...

About vault: I think it IS a dream or memory. When you are brought to eden from vault, it's a very chilling pull back to vault in a way. The room looks like main big room in vault, but darker, with the diamond destroyed. It snaps back to reality; it's time to finish the task, the elders gave you one last piece of information in their death. Now to get back to reality *information, not advice

[shut trellis]

Agreed. Although, I have a question. Are the elders there in the cutscenes? Even if in a different world, are they really there? or is it a memory or something?

[robust flare]

I really don't know. I think it could be the king's memory, when he was a prince perhaps that is how they showed him his path. But it's all really confusing rn, I spoke way too much Chinese today and my brain burned XD

I remember something saying that the elders in the cutscenes are "beyond time and space" or something to that effect

Oh, just occurred to me...the elder cutscene locations become more clear as time goes on I think. Isle and prairie, pretty empty landscape. Forest you can see the machine. And after that the cutscene locations seem more stable, except maybe vault

[shut trellis]

Yeah, I have thought of that too, before. Since why would the forest elder be making a diamond now? But at the same time, isn't the isle elder's mask broken in the cutscene? why would it be broken in the past ;-;

[coarse dragon]

Maybe it was broken because when he closed Eden from the outside the force shattered it

[shut trellis]

yeah
but uh im just gonna say this real quick, yall think the king drank some resize potions before? they got themselves a whole suit, but did they try resizes first? or did those not exist

[earnest quartz]

Maybe resize potions are made from the kings sweat lool

[sharp latch]

When we relieve a spirit then go to the temple it lights up the spirit on you constellation

[compact shale]

For us skykids, resizes are probably some hot potion that heats up our clay bodies and randomly squishes or stretches them for a random amount of time to resize us, how about ancestors tho? Is it like skele-gro for them or something? Do ancestors even USE resizes?

[pastel brook]

Maybe one day I can be a real Skykid!

[hushed steeple]

Hey lore chat What are we talking about?

[compact shale]

Nothing in particular, Lorechat's been asleep for some time

Would you like to start a topic?

[hushed steeple]

Well, I was in class till now
But my day is nowhere near over
Just wanted to greet everyone because I haven't been here in a while

[compact shale]

aight I see

[tidal valve]

Elders are actually made from charcoal and jade, i don’t think those materials stretch very well lmao

[compact shale]

Wait do elders use resize potions?

[shut trellis]

wait what? oh that's cool. why would they make resizes if they couldn't change size though? so the only thing i could thimk of is using it for the king. or they attempted to use them, but failed.

[compact shale]

*pause button

If the elders are made of charcoal, does that mean they're flammable as hell? *holds candle menacingly

[shut trellis]

where'd this information come from? yeah i believe you but feel like I'm missing out on stuff

[tidal valve]

Is charcoal flammable lmao I should probably know that.

I mean they snatch our light in the cutscenes sooo if they get burnt, it’s their fault

[tidal valve]

Concept art, lots and lots of concept art https://tomzhao.com idk if that’ll link but there’s a whole website of their art, sadly, not every single bit of concept art is included it’s just a portfolio

[shut trellis]

oh yeah, elders, stop stealing our life source /j
and thanks!

[tidal valve]

I’ve told myself that if I wake up 2 hours before my shift at work I can work on my sky lore google doc (-,: will I wake up 2 hours before... idk...

Edit: why did I reply, I need to sleep lmao it’s late eyes no working

[shut trellis]

Good night! Its cool that you're making a doc, good luck. Also, if you do wake up early, remember to still get a good amount of sleep

[slate saffron]

Heya lore chat! What's new?

[slate saffron]

Also have a good night! Like the person above me said, if you do plan on up getting up early remember to get plenty rest.

[robust flare]

I worship Tom Zhao. He also shows how some machines work, or used to work. There's pictures of creatures in cages ;-;

[twilit blade]

Why do the trials look so monochromatic?

[hushed steeple]

Maybe just to make your eyes drawn to the main goal, the green in earth trial, the flames in fire.

[hushed steeple]

Where is there green in Earth trial

[rigid mural]

Base of the final shrine, it's moss

[hushed steeple]

Oh yeah

I don't like Earth Trial so I don't go in there much so it's unsurprising I missed it

[coral tiger]

Fire is

[cobalt palm]

I just started thinking, this season seems to be teaching us how the ancestors harnessed light creatures to travel and power their works, and why flame and light was so important.
So... Fan theory Lore dump time!

The first quest, we had to deliver candles to each of the 4 spirits, who placed them at the arch shrines on the 4 islands, and the central island has a load of candles around it.

The third quest showed that collecting back the chimes, the wind only blows the chimes when the candles below them are lit.
This could be similar to how in our world, fire causes light and heat, and that disparity of heat causes wind. That wind opens the paths between the realms, along with ringing the chimes, which we have seen before in prairies bell towers, and forests broken bridge, ringing chimes calls to light creatures, which this young society uses to drag their boats (2nd quest).

Whereas by the time of the height of society in Valley, downfall in Wasteland, and memories in Vault, power diamonds are used to power everything, rather than using light creatures.

As an extension, by harnessing this power into diamonds, as we saw the elders did, that caused a disparity in heat, but also in light, as the brighter the light, the darker the shadows seem.

So as more power diamonds were created, the disparity of heat and light grew larger, until the cataclysm of Eden.

I don't know if this was all meant by TGC, but I love this kind of indirect storytelling through elements of gameplay.

[harsh pecan]

Cool!

[torpid stag]

Is the top of the temple you see in wasteland the top of the vault that goes to|| eden?||

[icy spruce]

No need to spoiler here since this whole chat is a spoiler but ye

[ember temple]

Oh man the concept art is crazy I love this

[torpid stag]

is the mountain that eden is on just covered in the clouds of wasteland so cant see it behind the temple?

[icy spruce]

ig so

[sharp lichen]

Man lore chat has been too crazy

[shut trellis]

also kind of quiet

[wheat cypress]

makes sense, that's what I've always thought

[icy spruce]

not surprising

anyways, where are my 400 hearts

[shut trellis]

400 now? lmao

[icy spruce]

yep

[harsh pecan]

True

[harsh pecan]

Didn’t you drop the charges like 2 months ago?

[icy spruce]

No?

[harsh pecan]

Oh- okay then

[quasi lark]

Yes

[lusty merlin]

I’m sad because I’ve been thinking of the elders so in gonna share that sadness

Since the elders are in a place that’s beyond space and time (I think) and based on what Ive seen In their Cutscenes, the elders are conscious and aware. So like when they passed and I came to this conclusion I can only image how alone they must’ve felt yaknow? The twins had each other at-least but other than that, practically alone. And I also OOB to the twins arena for fun and noticed like crumbling bridge behind the starlight memorial, which is never shown in the live cutscens so like who knows what happened to that. Could’ve been the aftermath for a fight for all I know.

I know vault has them all together at the end but maybe they couldn’t even see each-other since the diamond the vault elder needed to use had to have light, which it didn’t have before us. But yeah the elders were probably trapped in their little realms for megan knows how long, and just suffering in your own loneliness with nobody else with you is kinda😬 (again, atleast the twins had each other)

[floral grove]

Has there been an explanation as to how and why Sky kids can move some of the rocks in the Vault with telekinesis? Why don't they use this power for something else like flicking away crabs?

[ember temple]

And why is it only those rocks specifically, and not anything else?

[spiral isle]

ive only heard of this recently, what is the Mega Bird?

[dull mulch]

お

[lusty merlin]

Think of the god of the sky world, its shown in murals in isle and the lake around the office and even concept art! Even the flight guide symbol closely resembled megabird in concept art

Edit: if your in orbit and face your camera straight up you can see a silhouette of them, and see them again in the credits, hope this helped there’s a lot more they do but that’s the introduction to them

[spiral isle]

AGH I SHOULDA LOOKED UP WHEN I WAS IN ORBIT
i did the the bird in the credit but it didnt click then that it was a bird

[twilit blade]

Do you think that Krills are deaf (they don't respond to loudly honking Skykids) or is that just a game mechanic?

[lusty merlin]

Me neither I thought it was cool lookin scenery

[lusty merlin]

I mean since I theorize they’re corrupted light creatures maybe they lost they’re hearing? Though I’m glad krills don’t respond to honking…SEESH that would be nightmarish if u accidentally honk

[twilit blade]

It would also be highly prone to skykid trolling tbh

Also welcome Megan, the Megabird, who is a raw uncooked egg yolk that floats in the sky

[lusty merlin]

Hehe yes

[hasty ocean]

thats a great description XD

also can anyone come up with a reason as to why Sky kids, who are reborn every time they die, have ancestor SPIRITS??? Like...how did their ancestors die?

[lusty merlin]

I think many like to think skykids are a different species entirely from spirits, the game never said they were OUR ancestors after all (I think )

[hasty ocean]

Yeah this was the only theory I could come up with.

[lusty merlin]

Well simple is good, I sure don’t want to think of an in depth analysis as to why some things are the way they are in sky

[hasty ocean]

Spirits look pretty much exactly like sky kids but... why are they so huge? XD guess that must be the one difference between their species?

[lusty merlin]

That could be it, idk how much you know about the concept art lore but there’s this figure called the prince (who’s cannoncily in sky that one of the devs said) and they were a skykid to!
Tiny little fella compared to the elders, and they ruled the land

[hasty ocean]

Oh actually there was one other theory I had. It was that maybe reincarnation didn't exist back then or wasn't possible. Like maybe something was blocking the reborn portal? Or it didn't exist or was destroyed???

[hasty ocean]

Wait what is the prince though? I've only seen him once in concept art.

Edit: Lmao I can't wait to hear everything you know

[lusty merlin]

By the way eden is now and how we are reborn when we reach orbit, yeah somthing definitely happened to block eden and clog the reincarnation cycle

Edit: oh boy when this cooldown ends do I have a lot to tell abt the prince

2nd edit: pain

3rd edit: k that’s it, splitting it into parts

[hasty ocean]

The message disappeared 🥲

[lusty merlin]

The prince/alef was a sky kid just like us, they fell from the sky which you can see in the Isle of dawn spirit’s memories, ushering stargazer. Kid learned alot and eventually tried they’re luck in the prophecy trails, and whoever beats the trails becomes king of the land (according to a prophecy.)

(mssg is getting deleted so this is getting splitted, might take awhile to get the whole thing ;-;)

[hasty ocean]

Okay no worries! I'm really interested so I'll be patient~

[lusty merlin]

While many lives were lost trying to beat them, the prince beats them and is eventually crowned king, who is called resh. A lot of ppl theorize if they’re the same person or different beings but I’d like to think they’re one person, anyways a lot of stuff happens under Resh’s rule: discovering dark stone (those blue diamonds we light up to power things) and a Civil war because of light creature’s being slayed. Gotta get that light somehow, light creatures and many people didn’t link that.The wasteland battlefield is a perfect expaple of it: one shield has the sun (light) the other had a diamond (dark stone/king)

[twilit blade]

This is actually a pretty nice question although I have no answers ready for it

[lusty merlin]

Annnd that entire war somehow made resh end up practically destroying spirit kind, and practically making them instinct, then us skykids came along with the goal to “return the spirits to the stars” as the into said

This is what I and a lot of other theorists believe but feel free to sprinkle ur own little theories (and with that I’m finailly done )

[hasty ocean]

Same oof

[lusty merlin]

I mean it’s dark stone, and light is needed to power dark stone so maybe that’s why it’s only those little stones instead of normal rocks

[hasty ocean]

Wait if sky kids came afterwards, then how is aleph, or resh, a skykid???

[lusty merlin]

Many believe they were the first,

[hasty ocean]

That would be cool...but then who were the lives lost trying to beat the trials? XD Other spirits?

[twilit blade]

My personal theory on that is that Alef was the First skykid made by Megan, testing out how one certain powerful species can handle emotion and moral. Then us millions of skykids came originally without emotion only thoughts, proceeding to only copy the emotions that spirits have
Alas this theory is very loose and unfinished

[lusty merlin]

That’s where it delves into full theory zone, for me: I think since resh was hunting light creatures into near Extinction, an uprising happened. Spirits that opposed resh and wanted to save the light creatures teamed up aginst resh’s army, probably also lead by again, what I like abt sky lore is how cazy you can go with theories

[hasty ocean]

Also Aleph is clearly a letter from the hebrew alphabet and Resh also sounds kinda like hebrew? So I just googled it and this is what google had to say: Resh as an abbreviation can stand for Rabbi (or Rav, Rebbe, Rabban, Rabbenu, and other similar constructions). Resh may be found after a person's name on a gravestone to indicate that the person had been a Rabbi or to indicate the other use of Rav, as a generic term for a teacher or a personal spiritual guide.
EDIT: Wait nevermind it's actually also the last letter in the hebrew alphabet thats so cool.

[lusty merlin]

Oo that’s cool!

And also a lil funfact: Alef/Resh and all the other elders names are from the Hebrew alphabet! Which was found in old concept art

Edit: gotta find the copy pata list hold on

[hasty ocean]

Wait the other elders have NAMES?! PLEASE TELL ME

[twilit blade]

Also do you think TS are canon in lore? I just imagine them to be like "oh hey kid, how's saving the world going? anyways here i got you a lantern souvenir"

Edit: ay Tac I got the list need help? Oh yay

[lusty merlin]

: Daleth
: Ayin
: Teth
: Sahmek (yes both of them are named that)
:Tsadi
: Lamed

I had to edit it cuz the emotes were going crazy :)
And there’s are in concept art so they’re not official, but a lot of us use the names to help give the elders names. So consider this fannon stuff

[lusty merlin]

Here u go! ^

[hasty ocean]

WHy they not give valley elders separate names XD Doesn't that get confusing?

[twilit blade]

I've seen people speculate it to be Sah and Mekh, for separate twins

[lusty merlin]

A joke theory I have is to why: Sahmek tried fighting a krill and got uh, krilled, and they split

[lusty merlin]

Basically this convo (I’m starting to like it more and more even if this one is a joke )

[hasty ocean]

Well identical twins do technically start off as the same person until they divide, and I think no other sky kid has any family relation to another member.... So this could very well be true?
Maybe not the krill thing but the splitting thing.

[lusty merlin]

Many think when they fell from the sky their star just split, and u got two of em, most reasonable imo

[hallow veldt]

I saw a Tumblr post that went into the meanings of all the names, it was pretty cool.
Daleth means "door"
Ayin means "eye"
Teth means "clay"
Sahmek means "near"
Tsadi means "righteous/innocent"
Lamed means "study!" (A command)
Alef means "champion" (it's a good luck symbol)
Resh means "champion" as well (but it's used negatively, as if someone cheated)

Anyway, the person who wrote about it went into more detail, but that's the basics!

[hasty ocean]

Damn thats amazing how much thoughts was put into that and how well it aligns with the lore.

[lusty merlin]

Mmm as someone who uses the meaning of the elder names to weave a giant headcannon in my sky lore ty for this

[hallow veldt]

I can dm you the link to the post if you want?

[hasty ocean]

Me tooooo pls

[twilit blade]

I love how detailed it is but it's also funny to me how Teth is just. Clay

[hasty ocean]

Also was trying to think of a scientific explanation for sky kids, and since they fall from the sky like stars, I was thinking maybe they're made of plasma, like stars? So I was watching videos about plasma and I still barely understand it.

[lusty merlin]

I can turn on the brain of a English teacher and analyze so deep into it but I wont

Edit: Mm plasma

[hasty ocean]

Well clay is often used as an example of how moldable someone is, how you can easily leave an impression on something or somebody that is like clay. So maybe thats what they were thinking. A person who can adapt and mold themselves.

Also, did you know you can make plasma but cutting a grape in half and putting it in the microwave?

[lusty merlin]

Brb gonna make a skykid cone to life (jkjk)

[twilit blade]

Sky is still part fiction, so I'm not sure if applying much real life logic will let one see clear; Although instead of plasma, they are light So your research still proves trustworthy ! (Sorry if my English is weird btw, I'm afraid I may misword stuff since it's not my main language)

[hasty ocean]

Why can't they be both plasma and light? Literally, a lightbulb, which is light, is plasma.

[lusty merlin]

Yes that’s true, I literally theorize megabird weaved a skykids form together and their core is in the centre, little glowly circle part on our chest (also ur English is great so no worries!)

Edit: and hey if they’re made of plasma and light it’s the best of both worlds

[hushed steeple]

I once theorised that skykids might be the children of the Megabird-

[hasty ocean]

Helium can be turned into plasma and sky kids are really lightweight and floaty, so maybe they're partially helium based?

[lusty merlin]

O that can definitely work, mother of all children

Edit: u think that’s why skykids can change their voices? By creating a certain amount of helium?

[hasty ocean]

😮 That would make so much sense.

[twilit blade]

I think mainly because we haven't been shown (yet) any proof of plasma substances existing in the Sky world, so I'm not completely sure yet, but that is an interesting thought!

[lusty merlin]

Now I really like this theory

Edit: love how we’re communicating though emotes because of this cooldown

[hasty ocean]

But....but stars are made of plasma? Even if they don't mention plasma at all... maybe their "Light" is really what humans call Plasma.

[twilit blade]

Perhaps so! That information would actually do good for me as well, as I've always thought how interesting it would be to see skykids bleed liquid-like light substance

(don't ask why i thought of them bleeding, its for au purposes )

[lusty merlin]

O also I shared this little theory about the elders earlier but it’s mostly kinda sad cuz I suddenly rememberd it

Edit: Or like rays of light and they crack, I think that would be cool!

[hallow veldt]

I communicate in emotes a lot anyway 😅

[hushed steeple]

Light like substance, or maybe ichor? Since ichor is the blood of immortals, and skykids are technically immortal, it makes sense.

[hasty ocean]

Also I have this made up theory that Sky was once connected to the human world (since that was planned in early development but scrapped) and something happened so they had to cut the connection, leaving behind office, which was why office is kept in vault behind a barrier (knowledge about humans is forbidden) and thats why oreo is known as the "Secret" of the prairie.

[twilit blade]

I thought that too! However I believe ichor was mainly blood of the gods, last I read? Because of its gold color. And one would definitely call a skykid a god but even these little chaotic gods worship noodle bird god

[lusty merlin]

Ooo that could explain the office’s location! And Oreos existence instead of being just a fun Easter egg

Edit: Yo I’m writing abt fanfiction too let’s goo

[hasty ocean]

Yep this is definitely going in my fanfiction now.

[hushed steeple]

Gods, and immortals, actually. Since in greek mythology, the giants also bled ichor, though they weren't technically gods

[hasty ocean]

Yes, maybe the sky kids kidnapped him and hid him so that Vault elder wouldn't lock him up in office where they couldn't reach XD I can definitely see a group of kids doing that for a puppy.

[twilit blade]

Interesting!! There's also been speculations of giants existing before skykids came

[lusty merlin]

Skykid:”may you rest peacefully and live a joyous life in this cloudy fields.”

Oreo:

[hasty ocean]

To me, spirits ARE the giants LMAO like even the children spirits are twice the size of a sky kid like how.

[hushed steeple]

That's making sense too-

[twilit blade]

No no, giants bigger than spirits also! It was a small theory used previously in this chat although I'm not sure which word to use to search back on

[lusty merlin]

I mean resh is huge in concept art they’re almost double the height of

I mighttt have a photo but I gotta dig

[hasty ocean]

Wait but if sky kids are immortal and Oreo is a normal dog doesn't that mean at some point he will DIE?!?! OH NO. Unless they feed him their ichor blood to try and make him immortal? XD This is getting dark...

[lusty merlin]

Oreo dog=god?

Edit: found a image

[hasty ocean]

XD Maybe Oreo created the megabird

This reminds me of a joke. What do you call somebody who is agnostic, dyslexic, and an insomniac? Answer: ||Somebody who lies awake at night wondering if there is a dog.||

[lusty merlin]

Anyways there’s resh, and lets remember that is probably like 4 of that tiny skykid’s in the corner stacked on top of them… compared that to resh

(Ignore the statue that’s king propaganda )

[hasty ocean]

Holy cannoli.... I've seen this before, but never truly comprehended the massive height difference XD

[lusty merlin]

Resh is a big boy indeed

[hasty ocean]

He's an absolute UNIT

[lusty merlin]

Ah this is being me back to how I think alef and resh are the same person I’m honestly proud on what I came up with

[hasty ocean]

So liiiike if the megabird created all light creatures.... then where is it now? What is it doing? Why does it never show up in game? Is it...dead? Or hidden?

Edit: I'd love to hear ur theories tac

[lusty merlin]

It’s chilling way up in the sky so I’d say it’s hidden, if your in orbit and point your camera straight up u can auctally see them

Also hehe yes alef/resh lore time

THIS concept art sparked my deep routed love for Alef/resh

U see alef on the left and resh in the middle, but o? What’s that in the middle of Resh’s head? A child prahaps

I theorize when Alef’s coronation was being prapared Teth was in charge of building “Resh” A gaint vessel made of dark stone to act as not only Alef’s crown, but also there throne. Resh was built to not only symbolize the start of a new area, but to also make alef more Intimidating

(I got more)

[compact shale]

Adding to the "Alef's Mechsuit" theory huh?

[hasty ocean]

LMAOOOO Mechsuit XD Whats wrong with the theory that he just grew up though?

[lusty merlin]

Angst for Alef :)

[severe gazelle]

If you zoom into the star of the King you can see a silhouette of a person

Many of us think its the Prince LOL

[icy spruce]

what’s the topic

[hasty ocean]

Resh is Alef in a mechsuit theory

[lusty merlin]

Here’s the thing, once alef is in resh they can’t leave. As to show they’re sworn loyalty to the kingdom and to show alef is committed to taking the role of the king.

Hehe corrupt king time: you know that huge diamond in eden? In early concept ark there was this ark (not the forgotten ark) but think of it like the nohas ark of sky. Resh had it built for some reason.

Anyways, probably because of the civil way I assume Resh’s army grey too weak so they tried to flee, keyword tried.
The ark was ambushed, and uh somehow they overpowered the diamond which lead to a huge explosion. Turning eden on how it is today (my theory). And because of resh, alef was protected form the explosion, as if they had armour but came with a cost.

You know that glowing child we hold hands and hug with when we acend?

Yeah, I see that as alef :)

Edit: hehehe I get to share my alef angst

[icy spruce]

Mmm, alef angst

[lusty merlin]

And I also theorize when the elders passed they were trapped in a realm, like a prison, they can move and walk ect, but can’t leave, pair that to being alone (twins excluded)

And hey atleast the elders had scenery. Alef got nothing probably was alone for Megan knows how long and trust me, loneliness can eat u alive when ur alone with ur own thoughts. ESPECIALLY when you have all the time in the world to look back at ur mistakes

[hasty ocean]

But if they're trapped in other realms, how does our sky kid enter?

[lusty merlin]

I assume though the statues, since we interact with them that way, thus the cutscenes

And we perish in eden so I guess that’s how we would get to alef

[hasty ocean]

Idk I'd like to believe the elders aren't dead or trapped, and they live like one big happy family taking care of all the sky kids XD

[lusty merlin]

God I think of that too, but my need to make things sad prevents me

Edit: Also realized I strayed from the resh mechasuit theory a wee bit to much

[hasty ocean]

Buuuuut if that theory were true, personally I'd prefer to be trapped in vault cause I could just read all day lolololol

[lusty merlin]

Yeah, I feel like has the most freedom out of any of the elders, they have something to DO atleast

But yeah alef makes me sad so I made their backstory sad, cuz for me at the end on the day:

Alef was a kid who yes, made really bad choices (light creature hunting to near extinction, which are NEEDED for the cycle), but we’re influenced by the elders and just wanted to be a good king. (They we’re not) Was a good kid, not so much as a good ruler

I would continue but it’s like uhhh 2 am where I am and I think I’ve said my peace was rlly good talking abt sky lore with u Jade, I rlly enjoyed it! Have a good rest of ur morning and night!

[hushed steeple]

What are the names of all elders again?

I don't remember

[hasty ocean]

Guys I’ve made my first low quality sky meme!

[hushed steeple]

Maybe send it in #sky-memes ?

[hasty ocean]

But this is a lore meme and possible spoilers? I thought it would be better to send here...

[hushed steeple]

Ehh, idk actualy-

[nimble ingot]

That is a good one, @hasty ocean

There are thoeries about the king and the prince that can match this meme.
Alef and Resh are the same person (someone who has grown up)
Alef and Resh ruling over the kingdom together (but fighting to see who is on charge)
And so on.

[floral grove]

Can someone tell me which language this is based on? (ping turned off) Nevermind, just found out it's Hebrew

[cedar sun]

Basically this too

[cedar sun]

They could be brothers tho but Idk just a thought

[hasty ocean]

Well at least they're not exactly the same. That would've been embarrassing XD

[full sorrel]

um…excuse me, where’s the next season’s sneak peak or spoilers?

[nimble ingot]

some on youtube, others are twitter.

[full sorrel]

i mean, no official sneak peaks? even in beta?

[nimble ingot]

not sure. Perhaps the folks on the beta-spoilers channel knows.

[full sorrel]

okay thank you )

[cedar sun]

What if alef and resh were brothers? And since you said they were fighting to see who rules eden maybe resh got rid off alef removing every history of him like he wasn't even there, like he didn't exist somehow, but that's just a theory who knows

[nimble ingot]

'big brother is watching'

adding that to the king propaganda catchphrases

[hasty ocean]

As if it wasn't already on the list XD

[scarlet delta]

eyh i wondered what the candle the skykids use to connect with each other come from?
is it coming from their body? like something they can summon?
is it the source of their energy?

[lunar flax]

Theory about what crabs are before they became the dark little pebbles in our shoe.

1. They were regular pebbles that got caught in people's shoes before they got corrupted by the darkness.

2. They were Light Crabs

3. They were randomly materialized from thin air

4. They were other sort of Light creature before they got wiped out from the darkness and their species later went extinct and there only existed crabs

5. They were from another realm (possibly another realm after Eden when entering the big crystal thingy)

[coarse dragon]

I think #5 is the best explanation

[scarlet delta]

i think because they're the only land creature they got corrupted by the water, (the water and rain does drain your energy)
or they come from the same place as the kryll

[lunar flax]

Polluted water does seem like a plausible explanation

[scarlet delta]

yeah that black goo from wasteland, it had to play a role

[coarse dragon]

Theres a theory that krills are corrupted mantas, They got corrupted by the diamond armor. CREDITS: The artist Kamilico#9885

[neat flint]

Don’t forget to credit the original artist

[coarse dragon]

I don’t know who made it but I think someone in this channel did, they did amazing work

[neat flint]

Kamilico#9885

[lunar flax]

The fact that there is a gap between the darkness (GW and Eden). Makes me wonder on how they expelled away the darkness (or even if any got there anyway. and if so how?)

[coarse dragon]

What gap

[lunar flax]

Diamond plated Manta looks both cute and brave. Like its going to protect me from that man standing in the corner of my house, watching me

[coarse dragon]

Facts 😂

[lunar flax]

Like how in GW theres like a ton of dark stuff influenced strongly by Eden and after that theres the Vault where its calm, melancholy, peaceful. After Vault is just straight up evil and scary again. To put it simply GW is dark and scary, Vault suddenly has no darkness and is thriving with Light, Eden is scary x2

[coarse dragon]

This is the reason why there’s a gap

[lunar flax]

Oooooh

[coarse dragon]

Yeah, Titan_s story was pretty interesting

[cedar sun]

I have a new headcanon now

[compact shale]

@upbeat tiger @hexed coral These docs might help you catch up to common lore terms and that kind of stuff

This document has basic terminologies and basic info about core game lore to help new peeps get up to speed https://docs.google.com/document/d/18B1-SKG3toG0oH0VhOWC5o-cG9u0STAN92QvmbhTDto/edit

This document compiles details the devs provide about Sky lore
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10ZWJRGiJSrIXgDvJ4pST61moZbVB_hBExUjOaF-pmOE/edit

[hexed coral]

tytytyttttyy

[upbeat rampart]

I wonder

1. Why is the prince/king's face not in Eden, but others? Did the others "lead", instead of the Prince?
2. Could the prince be ruling at a young age and never really "growing", which could lead to overworking (they placed responsibility on him) and it just made him take rash decisions?
   (of course this is probably stupid, so hh)

[coarse dragon]

Yeah #2 makes sense, he was just born, thrown into the trials, then when he succeeded, the elders (I think) made him king, So he was probably having mental breakdowns 5 times a day

[hushed steeple]

Who? Prenc?

[coarse dragon]

Yeah

[nimble ingot]

What would the winged lights be, exactly?

Are they artefacts? Living star lights? Souls?

[compact shale]

Yes, Prencles Potato chips /j

[hushed steeple]

Oof, souls would make it pretty dark

[coarse dragon]

I think they’re souls of all of the king’s subjects when he nearly destroyed the planet

[nimble ingot]

not necessarily.
If they are souls, they are souls that were never alive, souls that are pure.
They give their light to the skykid to help them fly farther, be stronger and protect their own souls.

[hushed steeple]

That's a rlly nice theory

[coarse dragon]

Yeah

[nimble ingot]

It still feels like there is vital piece missing.
Winged light (formerly known as stars) have very little information about them in the game.
The only interactions I can see would be winged light interactions are the memory of the ushering stargazer, and the winged light you find in the void under home and in the final area in eden.

This could mean they are pieces of the corrupt king, though what makes it difficult to support this idea, is the colour symbolism in the game.
Orange/yellow is the colour of light (flame), which is holy and associated with the Megabrid.
Blue is the colour for the ancestors and their diamond technology.
Red is the colour of corruption and darkness. It is the opposite of light and a danger for light creatures.

If the king is associated with the colour red, then he is the opposite of the orange/golden colour of the winged light.

[hushed steeple]

I used to think black represented corruption-
And how did the king even get corrupted

[nimble ingot]

Both in the old lore, and the current lore suggests that the king relied too much on the darkstone (power diamond) technology and that drain his light and corrupted him.

The old lore told about an explosion that could also have corrupted beings caught in it (like the krill for example), though I have not found enough in game evidence to support this fact other than the state of eden and the absence of the king.

[coarse dragon]

What if the winged lights were the first creation of Sky kids gone wrong

[hushed steeple]

So I guess, the king was kinda messed up?

[hushed steeple]

Like, failed experiments?
Gods, this cooldown

[coarse dragon]

Yeah lol

[sacred saddle]

some specific colored cape belongs on certain places though I wanted the know the origin of the default brown capes the skykids have

[robust flare]

Just wanted to bring up again: the winged light speak at the beginning of the game now! So they have a conscience of some kind, but it isn't enough info to know WHAT they are for sure

[compact shale]

Wait wait wait

How do we know it's the winged light that's speaking at the start, and not Megabird or the king or something?

[nimble ingot]

In a way, you can say it is a gift from the winged light or Megabird.
The default skykid hair and cape is unique to the skykid as there (as far as I know) are no other characters meant to have these cosmetics.

[sacred saddle]

oh hmm

[robust flare]

When you see the first winged light, they say "draw near so we can start you on the journey". So I'd assume it's the winged light speaking. THOUGH. Perhaps the winged lights are the megabird's way of connecting the world?

The winged light, skykid, king, and megabird are closely related

[compact shale]

Wait where does it say that? I don't remember seeing it?

[robust flare]

When you start the game, it's a new intro thing! I don't know when it was added *only new players can see it

[nimble ingot]

They are linked, yes.
But how and why?

The skykids are to find spirits to save. Since the season spirits count too, this means us players are stuck on the ever shifting cliff-hanger until the game gets an update.
It feels like we are stuck on this slow moving glacier and have to wait to see what happens next. All while doing daily grinds for more cosmetics and/or unlocking friendship features.

[compact shale]

frick

I played before the intro update so I don't know what the retcons are or whatever

WHERE'S THE OLD INTRO VS NEW INTRO DOC FOR GOODNESS SAKE

[robust flare]

I typed on my own personal thing all the intros...I didn't update it with the most recent things. But the lore has changed since the old ones, so you gotta pick out pieces *I can send transcripts for old ones

[nimble ingot]

you can look at youtube videos to see the new intro.
That or use another device to make a dummy account.

[robust flare]

• In the darkness, lays a kingdom covered in clouds where, from ages long past, dwelt the spirits of light.
  Back then, light and dark lived in harmony, but as time went by, a kingdom prospered and had fallen.
  The prophecy promised its children would return to restore the light.
  For those were the days of the winged travelers...

[nimble ingot]

May I ask if this was a translation from a different language in the game, or if this is an old version of the intro text?

[robust flare]

• A place once flourished with the river of light...
  ...until we brought it to ruin
  ...but then you all arrived.
  Our poor people.
  Trapped in darkness.
  We must free them.

[robust flare]

I watched old videos and simply copied the text exactly as it was in the intros!

[compact shale]

HOW OLD IS THAT VIDEO

[robust flare]

• You awake on a distant shore, away from your family...
  Maybe here you can find a new home.
  Follow the bell, find your way home.

[robust flare]

I didn't write down the dates, but I'm sure I can dig up the videos today! *actually lemme get my laptop and just post video links **there's a lotta intros

[compact shale]

Wow... the intro has changed a lot... wonder what's with all the retconning

[robust flare]

Okay, this doesn't have an intro really, but I wanna show yall the king statue. I have watched this many times, I love that statues https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQjP_KRBEoU

[compact shale]

Hmmm... the old intros might be retconned, for current lore focusing on the current intro might be best...

Though that does make me wonder what the reasons for the retcons are

[rigid mural]

"River of light" could refer to the huge light creature migration from all corners of the kingdom towards Eden, sometimes birds do look like rivers too.

[robust flare]

Imma post intro video links in order of when they came! I will try to fit all of them

[hushed steeple]

Intro also says “we as spirits” so intro narrator prolly a spirit.

[compact shale]

Which spirit, though?

[robust flare]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4sdw6beFeo&list=PLKh97ggSLvdxTgYWBAUO7V_Zd4d0Yc1Ad, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaKM34evKF4&list=PLKh97ggSLvdxTgYWBAUO7V_Zd4d0Yc1Ad&index=22, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZBePGk6UqY&list=PLKh97ggSLvdxTgYWBAUO7V_Zd4d0Yc1Ad&index=29, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dNShWJ0jiY, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ICnt_pT_ro

[robust flare]

I think there's two voices at the beginning now, one is the winged light another is a spirit. The spirit only talks through candles, the winged light speaks outside of the candles

These are the links I found, Idk if I got them all?

I can also transcribe it all, so we can see them side by side

[compact shale]

Wait a minute

In the new intro, it says "As spirits, we soon became many... creating our home here in the clouds."

Wait... so did they ever have solid bodies or not? Is the Sky kingdom some sort of lower heaven/purgatory?

[robust flare]

I wonder if there was a waiting list to be ascended after they died, and until they could be ascended, they just chilled in the clouds as spirits XD

Intro transcriptions:

March 2018 - In the darkness, lays a kingdom covered in clouds where, from ages long past, dwelt the spirits of light. Back then light and dark lived in harmony, but as time went by, a kingdom prospered and had fallen. The prophecy promised its children would return to restore the light. For those were the days of the winged travelers...

May 2018 - A place once flourished with the river of light... ...until we brought it to ruin. ...but then you all arrived. I almost lost hope light would return... Our poor people. Trapped in darkness. We must free them.

September 2018 - You awake on a distant shore, away from your family... Maybe here you can find a new home. --> For as long as stars have fallen, the ancestors shepherded light skyward. That was...until the great storm. Now, they await you in their distant temples... ...eager for your help in returning the light. Journey to their lands and recover their light. Together we will replenish the stars.

2019 - With the stars united, our light was infinite. But darkness came, and the stars fell...Together the fallen stars made a new home in the clouds. If only they had listened... A long time has passed. Now, I call to you. Wake up, child. Bring our lost stars home.

2021 - The spirits of this realm have long awaited your arrival... ...and your light. "With the stars united, our light was infinite... ...and together, we lived in harmony. As spirits, we soon became many...creating our home here in the clouds. But darkness came and the stars fell... ...and with their light we faded away. A long time has passed. Now we call to you. Go forth, child. Return our spirits to the stars." Draw near, so we may start you on the journey... At last, child...you are ready. Begin by answering the temple's call. --> Spirits once lit the skies and connected our realms... ...in temples, our elders would usher them skyward. But now...their light is lost. Awaken the spirits still lost in this realm to proceed. --> Other Elders wait in distant temples to be awakened. Restore them, child, and we will wait for you in the light.

[compact shale]

Alright, that's a lot...
Now for the questions:

Are the Light Awaits intros still canon? Maybe we should ask next livestream.

What is "home"? (2019 intro)

Did the spirits ever have bodies? The Switch trailer seems to imply so, but the intros always refer to them as "spirits" even in the parts that are supposed to describe pre-storm times.

Speaking of which, how significant IS the Switch trailer to the main canon?

[robust flare]

I think the devs have said before that the lore has been changing, though I think it becomes more solid as time goes on

I think there could still be relevance in the old intros, but I also don't think we can use all the information in them to be fact

[compact shale]

Oh, an evolving lore, eh? Hm.

Can any contradictions be found within any of the intros?

[robust flare]

I'm not sure. I think other people will have to chime in, I can't actually find any contradiction

I also typed out the original backstory, if anyone wants that. But I think the devs confirmed that the original story isn't the current story

[compact shale]

Yeah, that's true. We've got questions for the next livestream, huh?

What is "home"? (2019 intro)

[shut trellis]

There's contradicts, yes. But visible contradictions Canon lore wise? That's hard to find since canon lore is still vague. There's contradictions to some therories imo, even rather plausible ones. but idk any real contradictions.

[robust flare]

I am constantly running into contradictions when I theory, really frustrates me XD

[shut trellis]

ive heard something about natural krills though, which contradicts the corrupted krill thing.

[compact shale]

From whom?

[robust flare]

Here's the original backstory, it's a little hard to read https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5cf9836e9d1c5200018df596/1582059389689-8VVFCJVTZVFNN20KLTL6/133b_Sky.jpg?format=2500w

[shut trellis]

To be honest, I don't remember haha. So the natural krill could have been just a theory.

[compact shale]

Nah, I think the "corrupted krill thing" is more explicit. And it was said by a dev too!

[robust flare]

I can send a transcription of the story, will have to be in multiple parts to get it all here

[shut trellis]

Yeah it is. Pretty much canon now. Personally i preferred natural krills in the past I just heard it once.

[compact shale]

Hey lore veterans just a question

How do you send off a theory that is now dead because of new info?

[robust flare]

I'm not really sure what you mean by that

[shut trellis]

wait just outta curiosity, what counts as a lore veteran? im not one, but

[compact shale]

Like

As we learn about new info we realize how bad some of our old theories were

How do you send them off (rest in peace old theory) ?

[robust flare]

Oh, I like to think of those theories as still existing as their own spin-off story kinda. There's a lot of old Sky concepts that I find beautiful and want to keep even though they aren't really true to the lore c:

[compact shale]

Ah I understand that

But I mean bad theories created by us sky fans

How would you metaphorically bury them? 🔨

[robust flare]

There's beauty in all the theories. As TGC said, the interpretation is up to the individual. There is no right answer (though I keep trying to find the right answer)

[shut trellis]

Personally I'd incorporate a bit of them into a new theory. Or i'd just ignore them and occasionally bring them up

[robust flare]

There's probably some truth to so-called "bad" theories. There's not really a way to conclusively prove things wrong in Sky if you ask me

[compact shale]

There is one thing tho.

The Forgotten Ark didn't crash because they got ran over by a krill. It got broken by a lightning strike.
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[robust flare]

I still think the wind is flying fish even though they probably aren't...and there's a character I desperately cling to in hope that they exist even though I don't think they CAN exist...

I think the ship could have been destroyed by both, there's a lot of symbolism in the game. The storm could partially be led by krills

[compact shale]

Krill Zeus bringing on the lightning /j

[robust flare]

Yup, that's it, there's a Krill Zeus responsible for all the pain! Mystery SOLVED! 😄 No more wondering how death comes, it's because of the almighty Krill Zeus

Now I have to draw Krill Zeus

[shut trellis]

I have a few things to say about this. Some questions, some opinions and statements. But first, thanks for posting this.
-so this shows that we are all the Megabird, at least in the old version. An entity made of everyone.
-so the prince came first. why was he chosen to be prince in this, though?
-something in sky has a gendered pronoun now (the megabird is referenced with her)
-who is the shaman ancestor with the prince?
-in one of the pictures, the prince is still short lol
-so in this, the king and the prince are the same.
-the King is in the storm.
-Isle elder is the ferryman
-Even in this corrupt light creatures existed.
-an ark? the castle?(yes i know, old lore)
-A war between light creatures and ancestors

[orchid jolt]

Hey, what do you peeps think would make more sense for the prince to have? The newish enchantment light or the new belonging memory cube?

[compact shale]

what does this question mean?

[robust flare]

Oh, here's something about the elders! Ferryman/gatekeeper - isle | Builder - prairie | shaman - forest/vault? | Warrior - wasteland

[orchid jolt]

It means I like dressing up like alef/resh before they became the king

[shut trellis]

WAIT theres a what? oh gosh i gotta check out sky now uh um what does the memory cube look like? like the vault cubes?
I think the light ORB since they could be a skykid. And plus the mural

[compact shale]

Ah... I guess the light orb? there is that one mural of Resh and their light orb :p

[robust flare]

HEY I DO THAT TOOOO. It's fun to dress as the prince

[orchid jolt]

well, the enchantment one we now have is only one of the lights.

[compact shale]

It's not even one of the colored lights. It's just a default yellow light. I think it should work. :D

[orchid jolt]

the light is a ball, the memory cube is like the ones in vault on the shelves

[robust flare]

OH YESSS USE ORB. KING HOLDS ORB IN VAULT CONSTELLATION!

[orchid jolt]

well the thing is,its supposed to be the orange light but for some reason its yellow. for some reason that light seems to be inconsitstent. heres a message from when i was talking about this before

[robust flare]

Now my prince cosplay is incomplete. I didn't buy orb ;-;

[compact shale]

dear goodness that is low-quality

transcript pls?

[orchid jolt]

ok, heres the first part

Second

[compact shale]

Yeah that is pretty odd

why does it have the fire symbol if it's not orange?

I guess TGC wanted to make a catch-all light orb?

Idk but that might not be a good idea, we deserve all them colors

[orchid jolt]

i think it was meant to just be the orange one as it has the fire symbol on the item in our emote gallery thing. also third/final one

[compact shale]

Maybe try bringing it up as a bug report and see what happens? (actually no don't try that)

or we can sit here and wait for Ktjn to bless us with holy wisdom

Hey Ktjn we have soup

[icy spruce]

#live-feedback

send it here, don’t @ anyone

Or #bug-reports-switch #beta-bugs-android #beta-bugs-ios

[orchid jolt]

alright, whose willing @ ktjin? Im sure not going to
Edit: this was a joke btw

[compact shale]

🥣🍲 mmmm yummy soup

[raw crypt]

Yeah I also noticed how the orb resembles the one in the lightseekers cave instead of like. An enchantment orb

It’s funky but I guess establishes more ties between those two seasonal groups GJFHDDH

[orchid jolt]

can-can someone else do it?for some dumb reason i dont want to...

OH the yellow one as an item looks similar to wax right? imagine if it was orange. maybe they decided to make it yellow so it could be bettwe distinguished from wax? still, this is an unsatisfactory reason for me

[compact shale]

Not even 3-chevron wax is as big as the orb

Not even halfway

[orchid jolt]

i know, thats part of why its an unsatisfactory reason, but it is still a reason nonetheless
edit: possible reason

[compact shale]

All we can do is put it in #live-feedback and hope Ktjn descends with the holy wisdom

[icy spruce]

Yep

[wide owl]

My theroy is they are actually dark creatures, but not aggresive like krills. Kids need light as krills do, but they don´r kill other creatures. This explains why we can stand on dark plants.

[orchid jolt]

can someone else send the message please? for some dumb reason i dont want to... sry

[jaunty tapir]

Sky kids are part light and part dark afaik. There's a concept art here somewhere on the origins of sky kids....

[wide owl]

OOO

[jaunty tapir]

here! #lore-discussion-spoilers message but wait this is probably a different topic this is more of origin. But there have been several discussions on what exactly are skykids that I can't find at the moment

[shut trellis]

idk much about this therory but also, in the pity room, there is a darker child and a light child. i saw it as our clay body and light soul though haha

[wide owl]

Thankss

[robust flare]

If I may share an intriguing pic from concept art of eden... https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5cf9836e9d1c5200018df596/1582059705583-W9JC94G6XGLKW9WOS9XV/203_Sky.jpg?format=750w

And a disturbing image of how the machines might have worked https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5cf9836e9d1c5200018df596/1582059532423-0ZYP1WZIWP05MBWNIJE0/157_Sky.jpg?format=1000w

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5cf9836e9d1c5200018df596/1582059121776-6Z9YE4IJGEDWJKJ0AEVK/032_Sky.jpg?format=1500w This one I think is more accurate to how it would be now...doesn't mention creatures

[robust flare]

OKAY I NEED SOME HELP. I wanna know why vault is IN wasteland...literally connected to wasteland's temple

[icy spruce]

So that wasteland can protect Bault ig

[nimble ingot]

Those are fantastic notes!

Please, please say these can be added to a lore doc. 🙏

🇵 🇮 🇳 🇵 🇱 🇪 🇦 🇸 🇪 📌

[nimble ingot]

The switch promotion video (the animation) shows how much detail TGC has put into the world and the lore. The animation is able to show it much better than the game because of the limitations for the game.

[nimble ingot]

we let them die a silent and slow death.
In the lore chat, folks usually talk about what is relevant at the moment.

Lore-kids though would likely keep a doc of these theories. though if one of them ends up dead, then that info would either be archived, or just erased.
I am not sure, that is what I assume is the case.

[tidal valve]

They both share the same name since originally there was only 1 valley elder, the elders only have names in concept art so it was probably an idea that was scraped so no need to rename them

[tidal valve]

I like to think vault is underground, within the eden mountain, there are no windows, and it’s a vertical structure that goes up, at the end you start at edens enterance

[covert flame]

Today i see a person move with expression like crab, meditation but she don't use the hand glitch

A person have idea of how she did

Idk where put question

[shut trellis]

wait is this concept art?

[floral grove]

Isn't there another concept art that shows GW is found below Eden which is why it's the most affected realm out of all of them? Plus, it makes more sense than that concept art imo because then, the Hidden Forest should have gotten just as affected as GW if they really are found near Eden

[hushed steeple]

Something I'm curious about, why is there cheering in the valley races? There aren't THAT many spirits are there? ESPECIALLY not that many that aren't trapped by darkness.

[lusty merlin]

Maybe we skykids imagine it? I could see it happening, like without music or the crowd cheers the races would be pretty dull, not saying skykids don’t know the cheering is fake but I’d say they’re have creative imagination’s

[compact shale]

Maybe the sounds heard by the spirits who ARE there are part of the memory as well. They don't remember who's cheering, but they remember what it sounds like

[lusty merlin]

Oo that could explain in aswell

[hushed steeple]

Makes sense, both of those make sense.

[lusty merlin]

I was thinking about how capes were a satus symbol in spirit kind, well more like it was seen as a luxury item few can afford.

Like isle has none, prarie has one cape (yellow) but it’s very cheap. Then you got the other realms and boy, they’re really expensive. Getting their 2 purple cape is 90 hearts, and that color is usually reserved for high class people in the real world. And the tier 2 blue cape in vault is 60 hearts.

like getting pigments around 100 years ago to dye things was hard, ESPECIALLY purple and blue. (Don’t get me started on the tier 2 pink cape)
Doesn’t help in the sky world that there doesn’t seem to be to many things to even dye stuff with, which makes me wonder how some capes gte the color they have

Idk this was just a idea I have, I feel like the ones that have capes with worked super hard to get and and they cherish it. Or they were just rich and could afford it… -cough- pink cape spirit-

Also Since the purple cape spirit seem to be a hunter (they had a bow and arrow in their memories) I wondered if they slayed light creatures and exchanged them for whatever currency spirits used. Like light creatures were hunted and farmed for dark stone afterall. Idk how the others got their capes tho

[compact shale]

Maybe the cape is a symbol of them having a lot of kills

[lusty merlin]

-Stares at pink cape guy-

[compact shale]

Ok lol that's probably not the case

I think the cape is for ambush from above

Like the hunter could jump off and glide and kill something mid-air

[lusty merlin]

Oo yeah that would probably help

Also maybee if some spirits had an important job or were part of a important group. -like flight guide and the dark blue cape spirit: praying acolyte. An acolyte is someone in a religious group that takes care of smaller tasks. Maybe they were gifted the capes to show their status.

I’d say capes that fall into the green/yellow family are easier to make cuz there’s a lot of greens/yellows pigments in sky… not much pink/blue

[compact shale]

Flight Guide doesn't have a cape tho...

[lusty merlin]

Ah sorry I meant flight guide as in the all the spirits like light whisper and lively navigatior

I forgot that’s their name and that it’s not not used to describe the flight spirits

Anyways Out of what materials the capes are even made of I don’t know… and frankly I don’t wanna find out for the spirits that have fluffy capes

[compact shale]

I've heard one theory

Let's just say it's best not to hear it

[sharp lichen]

The skin of crabs

[harsh pecan]

Ohh yea

[ember temple]

I always thought the capes were made out of materials like cotton and silk

[sharp lichen]

Seriously, i think they’re mostly made of light- to have a physical material make up the clothes of millions of skykids would be preposterous

[hasty ocean]

I agree with this. And since light is a spectrum and can be pretty much any color, it makes sense that dye isn't necessary.

[sharp lichen]

Also, it makes a good reason to why they don’t have shadows

[hasty ocean]

TRUE I NEVER THOUGHT OF THIS. Although other creatures of light in sky do have shadows kind of...

[shut trellis]

They could have a physical body. Like how skykids are made of clay.

[hasty ocean]

I think their bodies are constructed of stardust/a large amount of carbon (like human beings) and their souls are plasma/light.

[shut trellis]

Yeah, thats possible

[hasty ocean]

I like the idea of clay though! They really do seem like that kind of material. Their masks also always seemed like clay to me. Also reminds me of golemns

[compact shale]

Yeah! It's possible that skykid's are Megabird's golems! I even have a theory about how we're not truly free~

[hasty ocean]

I'd love to hear that theory 0-0

[compact shale]

🐔💻

Here it is
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

@hasty ocean

[rain lance]

I had a theory that sky kids are blind ( coz they stretch arms to the nearest obstacle and use honking to navigate). But now I think it's wrong. Because sky kids automatically turn their head to nearby person and also can "see" emotions that spirit is showing. But I still think they use echolocation to navigate and "see" further

[shut trellis]

Agreed. Honking does show them where players are as well as kinda sense out objects. And plus they need to be able to feel the emotions the spirits show or else they wouldnt know what emotes mean what. (im still dubious about that last part though..)

[icy spruce]

and in he game it says (at least roughly) ‘when you honk, The Light will show you the way’ or smthn like that

[shut trellis]

Yeahh it does. Skykids are pretty cool creature ngl.

[compact shale]

Do you think learning emotions is a side effect of freeing the spirits?

[shut trellis]

Perhaps. Its a good theory but I don't use it personally. I just think that they do have emotions, they just don't know how to express them. Honking was the only way.

[compact shale]

Huh, I think honking is an echolocation thing, like skykids are bats, they can see but not that well

And if skykids are like golems they probably aren't born with emotions either

[wheat cypress]

y'all I think I found something potentially big

[sharp lichen]

What?

[icy spruce]

Where are my 400 hearts

[wheat cypress]

In native american mythology, there is a creature called a thunderbird. I have some rlly good quotes from a website... "There are many stories that tell of the Thunderbird in Native American legends, which make the creature appear to be one of the key deities in their beliefs."

"The Thunderbird is known to have harsh punishments for people who have done wrong and is even said to have turned an entire village to stone for their wrongdoings. " Idk why this reminds me of the stone sky kids in Eden

[icy spruce]

Genshin lore?

Oh cool, darn you genshin I gotta touch some grass now goodbye

[wheat cypress]

I feel like this points to megabird 👀 It is said to be large enough to hold a killer whale in its talons as if it were a fish...

There was a native american tribe called the Arapahoes, and they were called "the sky people" or "the blue cloud men" by neighbouring tribes, they wore feathers and blue bird motifs on their clothing
and their symbol was the thunderbird

It's just rlly crazy all this stuff I'm finding feels like the new flight season, we could get some rlly big answers maybe about megabird if we dig into this "The Thunderbird was known to give life by nurturing the lifeforms on Earth and giving them the necessary rains to survive."

I feel like sky kids are native american now haha basically I'm getting the feeling that we can discover how megabird was respected and interacted with by the spirits in sky by looking at the thunderbird myths in comparison with the evidence we have in-game

im psyched haha (it all feels very real now.... because I have Arapahoe ancestry and I just so happen to be into Sky cotl haha)

[icy spruce]

That’s awesome

And pretty cool if megabirb is like thunderbirb

[wheat cypress]

I do agree that Sky kids most likely have some sort of sixth sense, aided by in game features like icons and visible sound, but from the sky kid's perspective those things aren't really there, they sense it somehow and I love the echolocation idea

[wheat cypress]

they both sound very powerful hehe

[icy spruce]

Yes and considering thunder and fire and light are usually connected (in stories) yknow

[wheat cypress]

yeeeee it's so exciting

"This legendary bird is symbolic of things like life, truth and energy. It is considered a powerful sign of destiny."

"Other, more peace-keeping tribes viewed Thunderbird meaning as a supreme Nature Spirit and a solar animal. Its eyes were said to be made from the sun, and upon waking in the morning, the Thunderbird issued the dawning day. Alternatively, when Thunderbird retired at night, its sleepily closing eyes marked the solar dusk."

[icy spruce]

now I want to learn Arapahoe’s culture

[stone cargo]

hi lore chat

[wheat cypress]

hellu lol we are talking about native american birb myths and how they could connect to megabirb

[stone cargo]

opinions on this man?

[rigid iron]

YOU BEAT ME TO IT

[wheat cypress]

"Thunderbird is known as the Skyamsen, and is the dominating force of all natural activity." Don't mind me just spewing quotes from articles haha

[compact shale]

Huhhh... this is pretty interesting

[harsh pecan]

Our lord and saviour the King

[harsh pecan]

Tsurumi Island lore

[rigid iron]

hehe

[wheat cypress]

lol

[shut trellis]

For a second I wasn't sure if I accidentally clicked on another server

[shut trellis]

When we relive spirits, there is a stone orb with their soul or something. Probably made of darkness but the megabird is like punishing them perhaps

[wheat cypress]

that's interesting I hadn't thought of it that way

[compact shale]

megabird punishing them for what?

[shut trellis]

For destroying the world with darkness I guess. For corrupting it with darkness and harming light creatures, etc. I don't really dig what I said, it was just a train of thought.

[compact shale]

Oh. I thought the ancestors getting corrupted was a result of them corrupting the world and not something that megabird inflicted on them.

[shut trellis]

I think so too, but that was just a statement
but anything is possible. who knows, maybe the king directly vanquished them. or the light creatures destroyed them. (this is a joke, no.)