lore-discussion-spoilers

[hushed steeple]

“I want to trade back, your flower keeps complaining”

[dry ivy]

I feel like this is a pastiche of a quote from the movie I am not remembering. Years of academy training wasted

[hushed steeple]

Nah, im sure theres a movie quote like that, but I didn’t have one in mind. I know jack about movies

[dry ivy]

You don’t know jack about The Emperor’s New Groove then?

[hushed steeple]

Forgot quotes from it for sure, but seen it

[pallid citrus]

“fellow Sky kids”

[dry ivy]

TGC devs: “And so, it is with great sadness that we mourn the sudden departure of our beloved prince, taken from us so tragically on the very eve of his...something-th birthday.”
Us King fanatics: “Poor little guy.”
TGC devs: “His legacy will live in our hearts…”
Us: “He never had a chance.”
TGC: “For all eternity. Well, he ain’t getting any deader! whips out nameless mysterious WL kid in Eden Back to work.”

[dry ivy]

Good! Thought I had to forcibly make another convert hehehe

Really, it’s a great movie. I put it next to Dreamwork’s El Dorado in animation and comic quality 🏆

[opal galleon]

hey there lorechat! i remember hearing once that y'all had a fanmade elder. i had looked up a few pics in the server and they looked really cool.
i'm actually gonna go to sleep right now, but if anyone here knows lore about Mem could you ping me with it?

[pastel brook]

[opal galleon]

asjskfdlgqafj thank you skybot i guess

[lethal stump]

@lofty void you're a Mem fan, impart your wisdom

[orchid jolt]

YES, SOMEONE GETS IT

[lofty void]

I HAVE BEEN SUMMONED

[orchid jolt]

GOOD IDEA

[lofty void]

hold on, im getting the lore--

[lethal stump]

we...havent had seasonal hints yet. if thats from beta then remove your comment please

[orchid jolt]

its not a hint, they released the pendant design

[lethal stump]

link to the post ?

[orchid jolt]

the wind vane has existed for a while in bird's nest and sanctuary and is meant to represent megabird.

[stark marten]

Those have existed for a while, but nothing about the next season has been confirmed by TGC yet outside of the beta channels, so it shouldn't be discussed here yet

[orchid jolt]

dangit, i remembered wrong. Ill spoiler it and say beta spoiler, sorry about that everyone...

[lethal stump]

no, you need to remove it. NO beta content outside of beta channels. AT ALL.

[orchid jolt]

oh, ok. sorry again..... man here I thought I was doing a good job avoiding spoilers, turns out I may have accidentally spoiled part of it for others... sorry

[rigid mural]

Man. Anyway.

Let's lighten up the topic, you guys tell me your headcanons about your favorite elders.

[lethal stump]

resh/krill hc: the krills we see in the base-game were once all his pets. he loved them more than he loved real people, and after the war they were rather lost without him so they started flying around aimlessly trying to find him

[orchid jolt]

Compare to the prince was missing 4 blessings (I am guessing that is what the floating bits represent. The sky call has four more than the season of prophecy pendant) now look at hide and seek pioneers chibi mask and the small symbol that appears next to it in the closet or just in the image that I'm going to provide. It is a diamond with the 4 dots the prophecy pendant is missing

[orchid jolt]

btw, the devs have confirmed that the krill are corrupted. I can find that if you want

[lethal stump]

no need, im going to ignore it

[rigid mural]

That's the spirit !

[safe pond]

The GW Elder (forgot the fandom name) fought on the frontline with their soldiers.

Never left a person behind and tried to protected everyone. Taking on Krill on their own if need be. Most like one of the last elders to fall (or probably went down trying to protect the others).

Was probably one of the first to see the King was becoming corrupt as they have the sun symbol on their shield, which is assume to be the symbol of the megabird.

[orchid jolt]

btw, it could be your fanon interpretation. I dont really know if fanon and headcanon are different but I've always assumed headcanon was using what is canon and interpreting things you dont know yet however you want. Also it could always be that the sadness corrupted them if you want to keep it as a possibility in your head. I'm still salty and holding onto a string of hope that they were corrupted by the imbalance of dark and light rather than just "DaRk baD!1!1!!!!!!"

[lofty void]

Samekh: They enjoy talking to skids. They're the mentally youngest of the elders so they're treated like kids by the other elders which kinda bothers them a bit

[lethal stump]

my headcanon is simply "dark creatures are natural beings" because im a naturalist who is a bit annoyed by the "predators evil and unnatural prey good and natural" thing sky has going on

[hushed steeple]

I always took it as krills and darkness representing instinct. Unemotional, disconnected. Instinct is only bad, if you have the free will to go against it.

[rigid mural]

I headcanon Teth (Forest Elder) might not be soft but they aren't a brute either. Like all elders they have a deep link to their realm and felt the misery within.
However they coped by locking themselves up in their work instead of facing the conflict between their pride, darkstone, and the welfare of the ancestor spirits.
See, because being patient is good but well... there are things you cannot wait out.
I also headcanon the forest used to be the stage of huge wildfires (cave of prophecy's 4th wall painting) but they used the power of water to summon perpetual rains (cave of prophecy's final wall painting) to counter that.

Unrelated to that but I headcanon Samekh (Valley Elders) are memers.

[lethal stump]

i just played through eden and died and they changed the death animation

instead of shattering you turn into a statue yourself, except in a different position. instead of curled up youre reaching for the diamond.

[lofty void]

OH THE TWINS ARE DEFINITELY MEMERS

[rigid mural]

the sibling banter must be top notch

[lethal stump]

adding to that i hc the twins have a cockney accent

[rigid mural]

What is that

[lethal stump]

a kind o' bri'ish accent, innit

[lofty void]

BRITISH TWI—

[rigid mural]

Horrid.
I headcanon they talk in greek because Castor and Pollux reference.

[lethal stump]

fair enough
i am working on a made up language for Horizon but i do have hc's for the accents for each realm

Isle: australian
Prairie: russian
Forest: japanese
Valley: cockney & posh english
Wasteland: highland scottish
Eden: great lakes north american

[rigid mural]

I suggest Irish for forest because the Elder makes me think about Brighid, goddess of blacksmithing (and healing and poetry, it's a triple deity).

[lethal stump]

i did japanese bc the elder was inspired by kitsune/9 tailed fox

[rigid mural]

Source ?

[lethal stump]

concept art im too lazy to hunt for

[orchid jolt]

bro, why do you think I said that I was salty about that? I ACTUALLY HAD SOO MUCH EVIDENCE FOR THE IDEA OF THE BALANCE OF THE TWO! I AM ACTUALLY STILL SALTY GOSHDARNIT!

[lofty void]

SO BASICALLY THE EDEN ELDER/KING HAS THE SAME ACCENT AS ME 😭😭

[rigid mural]

We have very different tastes in that regard but I respect that.
I don't think TGC will make the Elders speak so at least we can hc to our leisure.

[lethal stump]

yes, because americans are the devil ( ~ a joke from an american/canadian)

[lethal stump]

only canon voices are ayin's groans and tsadi's...i dont know what noise id call that. also groaning ?

[rigid mural]

Grunting probably.

I find it interesting how the spirits we see in each realm fits the elders; spirits that get other's attention towards or away from stuff for isle, joyful and sleepy ones for prairie, sad and disappointed ones for forest, excited and proud ones for valley, scared and scarred ones in waste, meditative and peaceful ones in vault...
Though the forest ones have the most differences in mood with their elder... unless... internalized sadness ?

[lethal stump]

i always interpreted it as teenagers having emotions like a 90-sided metronome

[rigid mural]

There's a lot of things wrong with your statement but I'm not arguing here.

[lethal stump]

ik 90 sided metronomes dont exist im basically saying teens are a bunch of extreme emotions in one unstable package

[rigid mural]

Yes, that's the problem.

[compact shale]

The fact that forest has a lot of mood difference probably has to do with the fact that it represents teenage years: puberty, mood swings, that kind of stuff

[orchid jolt]

hey, bricky, want to see some of the evidence I had for darkness to not be evil? (seriously, i am still fliping salty about the krill being corrupted.)

[lethal stump]

i never object to seeing others' theories and ideas

[lofty void]

ok uh guys im about to post a relatively large block of text on mem's lore please forgive me

[orchid jolt]

yah, but as I will still include this as what my sky kid may think (as they cant exactly hear the devs lol) its now extra likely for the actual lore to be dark = bad. (WHICH I FLIPPING HATE). Ok, now to see if I can find the messages

[orchid jolt]

we really need a fanon channel... lore will do for now, but man...

[rigid mural]

I think teenagehood is more than just being a hundred emotions in a trenchcoat; you're at that awkward stage between childhood where you're safe but confined to limits, and adulthood where you're more or less left to your own devices but free.
There's puberty of course but it just doesn't sit right with me to reduce your teen years to that; between 15 and 20 a lot of changes happen in a short time and it's a struggle to find your own identity under the eyes of your peers while, nowadays, doing stuff you're told is gonna affect your entire life. Change is a very vulnerable process and we don't give teens (and our teen self) enough credit for going through all of this at once.
TL;DR: While I agree teenagehood is a very emotional state, it can be sometimes patronizing to reduce that to a teen thing and not a normal reaction to a lot of change.

Which, linked back to Forest, could simply be the awkward step between the relative simple rural life of Prairie and full-grown glory of Valley with advanced technology. It's hard and painful but it will bear fruits.

[lofty void]

Alright so:

Mem is an elder (personally I headcannon she’s a minor Elder, in the same way that there’s minor gods) and her realm, the Azure Coast/ Azure Depths, which was between forest and valley, was on the coast, as the names suggest. Her specialty was music, especially singing. Unlike the other elders she frequently interacted with her realm’s people in physical form, and even had a daughter figure who, like everyone else in the sub-realm, would eventually perish in a disaster caused and/or related to the destruction of Eden.
She also had connections to the other Elders, having a close sisterly bond with the forest elder Teth.
When the destruction of Eden occurred, it caused the destruction of the Azure Coast as well, and like I’ve said before, everyone but Mem died in that specific disaster (personally I headcannon that Azure Coast’s city was right above/overlooking the sea and the realm was wiped off the map with the city collapsing into the ocean/sea due to something like a tsunami or a tidal wave.) Mem’s temple remained intact somehow, however it fell down to the seafloor with Mem stuck inside.
Eventually she succumbed to darkstone corruption and became somewhat of a siren, unable to actually think for herself, with no control over her own body and such.
Of course there’d be an hour or less where’d she be able to think, but then she’d be stuck without control again.

I AM SO SORRY FOR THE GIANT BLOCK OF TEXT GHJJD

[lethal stump]

oh thats tiny i was expecting so much more
get on my level /j
but seriously that sounds super cool !! i love the concept of a realm that sunk into the sea and a siren elder

~~i actually have a similar concept but its a whole kingdom if youre ok with your dms being bombarded with fanon @lofty void ~~

just not rn cause i gtg

[lofty void]

yes, i am totally fine with that

[dry ivy]

Guhhhh

I guess I saw LP die today

[dry ivy]

Ooohh

Now this is interesting

I guess she keeps singing since she’s stuck in a memory loop like the others, yes?

Wonder how her singing has an alluring power: did her singing used to be quite magical when she was alive?

Maybe it’s that way since she is inadvertently trying to call someone to help her. Anyone who what’s feels to urge to go where she is, but unfortunately they try to do so in this addled state and just wind up walking or falling into the ocean

[lofty void]

For all of these questions: Yes

[dry ivy]

I’d love to see what character design you’ll come up with for this girl!

[lofty void]

We already have a design actually

[dry ivy]

Yes! I had this idea that her personality is a bit brusque. Not rude, but kinda...standoffish, I guess?

[dry ivy]

I just reread the messages I missed and saw that this is a group-made fanon elder! I’d love to see it

[dry ivy]

Sudden thought after replaying the recent LP quest today: LP can talk to krill!! And it seems krill (or at least this snake-replacement-krill) are fine speaking to beings that aren’t skids?

[orchid jolt]

Do y'all think this thing I noticed may hold any importance?

[rigid mural]

I think darkness isn't bad, but is akin to negative emotions in that it's painful even if it brings something, if it's about your darkness=bad frustration.

[twilit tiger]

(copy pasted) so, sky lore theory stuff time, in golden wasteland there is a spot with crabs being roasted on a campfire. that means someone had to hunt them, catch them, spear them on a pole, and set a fire while waiting for the crabs to be cooked. Crabs, being commonly found in most realms, being a dark creature, and being easy to catch in the fact that they run towards people, all lead up to many different things. The hunting of crabs also results in the likely possibility of groups of skykids, citizens (what i call spirits before they died), and/or spirits themselves teaming up to hunt the crabs and, in cases of extreme daredevils or powerful fighters like the gw soldiers, krill. There is also a high chance of the hunting of light creatures, like mantas, similar to the farming of livestock. This is also made all the more likely by the fact that 1. winged light acts like health and 2. light creatures restore this health equivalent. Now, of course, with the hunting of creatures, there are people like vegans or conservationists who will actively try to prevent the harming of all kinds of creatures in sky, like the pleaful parent spirit, who, when guided through wasteland, is seen chasing a crab and after it leaves, plays the emote. There is also a possibility that he was trying to catch the crab to roast it. With all this talk of sky cuisine, there has to be chefs somewhere in the world, the possibility of food offerings to elders, and the obvious fact that skykids have a mouth despite them not being visible. i apologize for any grammar mistakes made through here, now, any questions?

[rigid mural]

I think roasting crab is just a law of this universe. Flip it n cook it, as they say.

[twilit tiger]

alright then, sky ruins of a society theory time: farms (ark farm area), gardens (starlight desert), treehouses, homes, libraries (vault archives), even the full on dreams village, all marks of a ruined society, as all the residents are spirits. There are clear signs of a war in gw, along with ruined homes. My previous text (you can find it a little higher up ) states that hunting of creatures might be a common practice, and there are people who oppose the fact, like the Pleasing Parent spirit, another mark of a full on society. The following text will be every reason why that the world of sky takes place after a mass extinction event. Part one: Isle of Dawn. Its clear that isle of dawn used to be a place for citizens (spirits when they were alive) used to live there, and likely used to be a trading port. Evidence: the three non-seasonal spirits here are a candlemaker, a stargazer, and a voyager. the voyager must have came from somewhere, as evidenced by the name, and the ruined sky boats. Isle is also coastal, since if you turn around directly from spawning in there you walk into water. Now, the candlemaker's spirit quest shows him pointing a group towards the temple which leads to prairie, implying that voyagers (wink wink) often pass through there. Now, for the seasonal spirits: The season of prophecy takes place here, and all the spirits involve teaching other spirits an action of some sort, along with sending them into a trial. All of this, the candlemaker, plus the elder's appearance lets us assume that this is a place ruled by tradition, and before the mass extinction this was a thriving coastal trade village. Pt 2 coming soon, check this channel if you dont want to miss it.

[mossy pagoda]

Here’s a question… so, am I stupid, or does the game never really address the supposed quest proposed by the intro? Like, they talk about how the stars fell and made a home in the clouds- that doesn’t sound like the big eden explosion to me. That sounds like something that happened maybe centuries before, before the kingdoms were even built- a defining characteristic of the civilization. Maybe I’m just missing something, but why aren’t people talking about this?

[orchid jolt]

I forgot to link the message I'm reffering too....

[orchid jolt]

Do y'all think this thing I noticed may hold any importance?

[orchid jolt]

after that, it talks about how they lost connection with the light

[mossy pagoda]

To be honest I doubt it was intended, but it would be really cool to connect the lore to chibis! (Also hi it’s me cheshi from stream :D’)

[orchid jolt]

leading to darkstone and eventually eden, Oh from tara's stream!

Also, look at the spells, the spell that turns you into a chibi also has the symbol but the spell that gives you the max height possible from resize potions doesnt. Important to note, the chibi spell actually makes you smaller than the min height you can get from resize potions. This made me think of, what if the prince was slightly taller than the maximum height of a sky kid (like how the chibi spell/mask makes you smaller than the minimum)? Maybe a spell that would give us this would show the 4 floating bits on the pendant around the circle in the middle of the pendant (as chibi already has the diamond shape and the other 4 floating bits.) However there is little evidence to this and like no ways I can reasonably work it into prince lore.

[mossy pagoda]

It’s a neat idea!

[orchid jolt]

it has even less evidence than the theory I made as a joke

[orchid jolt]

DANGIT

I can't do the last quest as my game crashes in starlight desert and when I manage to make it to the rose, it crashes in the cutscene of the rose saying where the prince is. I can't find the prince because the game crashes all the time! And once the season is done, I heard I might not be able to do the quests! UGGGHHH

[harsh pecan]

I thought you were someone else 😅

[orchid jolt]

By last, I meant most recent

[upbeat rampart]

I'm probably an idiot for asking such a simple question, but why are some places filled with dark water and some aren't?

For instance, in forest in gw, the rainwater and general water in gw happens to be very...you know, bad for the skykid because it absorbs skykid's light, but why doesn't the other do the same way?

[hushed steeple]

Ah. In one of the scenes, when it pans to tlp, I got blown back by wind, could not move, and was stuck looking at my character the whole time.

[undone harbor]

Ayo does anyone know which shield was the wasteland elder holding,the sun one or the diamond one

[neat flint]

I remember it was the sun one (might not correct)

[willow shoal]

[quartz yacht]

please be careful about the hackers Don't light moths for now You can see their wings 1-5 wings. they have the cosmetics encountered it last night please. I my friend had encountered if last night please
be careful your account night banned

[half shadow]

i don’t think this is the right channel for that

[graceful oasis]

Krill doesn’t do anything to the Prince and just shrugs him off like he just another thing in the background, so by dumb conclusion, Skykids see the dead

[compact shale]

Or maybe krill only wants skykids, and Prince isn't a skykid...

[nocturne rampart]

i noticed in the eye today, when you dont have any light after getting hit, the krill ignore you. so it makes sense they ignore the prince, he doesnt have any light

[compact shale]

Yeah, I guess so...

I bet the krill told the prince that it could fly the prince all the way back to B-612...

Oh, you naive boy...

[nocturne rampart]

this also means that either the spirits have light, or they weren't attacked by the krill

[compact shale]

Maybe the spirits were carrying light...? idk idk lol

[graceful oasis]

Well you see Spirits light are sealed away, they can use and control light around them but they don’t have a spark of light to provide to surroundings like Skykids, they don’t have the right harness to travel around fully.

[nocturne rampart]

i think there are some spirits you see flying in the island of sanctuary memories

[kindred trout]

Is Eden a person if so what do they look like and what is their motives really do they just want to take over the entire world or what is it

[pseudo patrol]

Eden is a corrupted place which used to be the King's realm, but he can not be saved anymore ...

[kindred trout]

[icy spruce]

Hallo, what’s the topic?

[trail oyster]

i feel like the lore may have some correalations with egyptian mythology maybe because tbh the season of prophecy defenitely gave those kinda vibes and various other things in sky for example the murals idk why but they just do and also just the animal masks in general i'm pretty sure that's what the egyptians did to symbolise gods but idk what they have to do with here

[pseudo heart]

I mean.. We literally had an anubis mask as an ult gift so

[trail oyster]

its a jackal, and they symbolise the truth and the afterlife and they were associated with the dead, and anubis was the embalming god or smethign

[trim belfry]

Long time no see you... Lore

[sick pier]

Hwello. Q-Q I'm new to this game and I'm very curious on what exactly is the lore in this game. I do not understand anything the murals/pictograms/idk says. Where should I start

[pseudo patrol]

@sick pier Welcome ! The lore is up to interpretation, but you have clues in the game. The fans love to theorize and share their point of view about some parts of the lore, I think there is a google doc somewhere which gather those ... I don't remember where it is though :'v

[pale mason]

Hi, I just want to say, in Sky, everyone’s dead. Spirits are dead, Elders are deadn’t, skykids will die, creatures are either dead and will dead

Bye

[frozen pivot]

-u gonna be dead too. every week if ur commited to dying

[naive sequoia]

I die min. twice a week

[rigid mural]

Forest Elder still has cryptid potential, you just can't see them walking among the trees anymore.
Imagine being a lumberjack spirit going about your day when you spot a 10ft tall figure from the corner of your eye.

[frozen pivot]

snatches unsuspecting skids, never to be seen again

if that was early concept teth, it would be canon

[dense fractal]

hi lore chat, i would like to brainstorm about a certain part of the lore because i wanted to incorporate the story to a fanfiction/comic im working on. as i was taking pictures of the cutscenes from "come here"(?) spirit in the isle of dawn, i noticed that in between the cutscenes it shows of a moth being born out of a star. what is your take on this matter? did spirits and moths actually exist in the same timeline? if so, how were they eradicated? (i hope sending photos here is okay)

[pastel brook]

A "moth" is a new player. They have brown wings, they flap around uncontrollably, and they are drawn to flame!

[frozen pivot]

skids, spirits and elders alike are stars all the same, the difference with spirits is they only become stars once theyve ascended. spirits and skids is likely to have coexisted at the time the kingdoms were still thriving(eden statues). they were lost all the same; trapped and contained.

[dense fractal]

my brain isn't loading properly sjdjd i would like to hear more about your take!! when we (skids) relive the spirit, what we see are fragments of their memory, yes? would that mean that as they were alive (by alive refer to how they looked like in the nintendo trailer) , moth/skids also existed?

also, what do you think seperates spirits from winged lights, were they the same beings pre-corruption/containment/eden era, or entirely different?

[hushed steeple]

Hello lore chat

I wondered but since wasteland is near to
vault, I thought about the forgotten ark is near to wasteland too
Edit: WAIT WAIT I MEANT STARLIGHT DESERT AND FORGOTTEN ARK

[dense fractal]

i honestly am still trying to grasp a visual representation of how starlight desert and golden wasteland are seperated. i guess it's like, similar to main praire and sanctuary?? like off shore and in a bit of a more higher ground??

[oak axle]

What was the underground cavern like before the storm? There’s not a boat or any transportation in sight other than the big boi whale () and cosmo jellyfish

[rigid mural]

There's no main ancestor spirit here either.

[frozen pivot]

likely yes, some may argue that the eden statues were skids like us- the first ones sent earlier than us and reached eden first but, i think it wouldnt make sense for us to be sent by then since they wouldve already saved the spirits and elders, making our purpose and death unnecessary. thats my basis to why i think skids 1.0 coexisted with spirits before the fall.

Winged Lights arent entirely their own entities, apparently theyre called as "Imprints of Children of the Light"(dev quote doc?). spirits are spirits ever since theyve existed, maybe star dust idk

[rigid mural]

But seeing how the gate at the end looks almost secluded from the rest of the level, personal headcanon is that it was mostly residential (sheltered from the rain, lots of caves) but fell to decrepitude after being vacated; maybe some land broke off and fell in the clouds.

I think there's no boats because there were natural and/or artificial bridges in here that fell away over time.

These bad boys:

[dense fractal]

i kind of think in this cutscene, this would've been around pre-crisis (a theory that states a natural catastrophe, probably a tsunami, was the reason why the isle stopped flourishing, grass, trees, etc. stopped growing and was left as an empty area) or post-crisis where survivors who were scavenging the area saw the star fall and manifest into the skid we see today

i agree that our purpose and death would be entirely unnecessary if we were to just turn into stone. i guess it was more likely spirits who tried to voyage through the storm and failed. since spirits could only manipulate light (i think skids could both manipulate and vessel it, which is why we have the ability to be reborn) , this is why they ascend and turn into stars. though i feel like there's still a lot of grey area, i would love for more people to cover this

that's also a good take on how winged lights came to be! thank you!

[frozen pivot]

hanging bridges

[dense fractal]

which area is this again? im not familiar with it, maybe a visual could help

[oak axle]

The one after you stomp on a two player passage

[rigid mural]

Wood also decomposes quite fast hence the lack of wooden structures in the humid climate of forest, thus my theory is possible.

[frozen pivot]

sunny and hidden cavern are belonging content, the first map extension that came from a season iirc. spirits apparently can ride mantas, jellyfish and light blooms(not sure about light blooms).

[rigid mural]

I also feel like the absence of boats is simply due to lack of space; presumably, a boat would dock near the exit we take and its owner or passenger would walk through the gates and down stairs to reach the inside.

I want to ride more boats, both irl and in-game.

I learned humidity helps keep wood flexibility when working on it, maybe forest used to be known for its woodworkers before darkstone was discovered. Although woods are also liked by blacksmiths because of the ready supply of combustibles but one doesn't exclude the other.

Do you think sky kids have access to tools such as knives or sharp stones ? Anything that could be used to cut through wood really.

[frozen pivot]

are u impliying child labor?

[thin dirge]

Actually, the new tutorial for moths in game says something around the lines "Relive the spirits still left behind in the realm to proceed"

Which implies that other spirits have already been saved, its just the ones we relive are the ones that still remain. I mean, there's very few of them there. Don't you think there wouldve been a lot more since the kingdom was implied to have a huge population?

Of course, that could also be just game mech and is implied so by Ash once

[rigid mural]

In a world populated by children only, the only labor available is child labor.

[dry ivy]

Well I’d think there’s lots of rubble lying around, if not sticks (there’s got to be sticks even though we don’t see them on the forest floor in the woods level for aesthetic reasons. I mean, we’ve got campfires!)

[dusty kite]

I think you’re right about that tho. I always believed that these spirits were important because they taught other people these special expressions that helped them communicate. You can see it in many memories they showing their abilities(?) to others- take for instance the prophets, or the proud stance, and telekinesis spirit.

[dry ivy]

I’ve been sitting here wondering how there was a campfire in the ||Little Prince Land of Tears level. Did LP collect them? How?? It’s a desert! Or am I to believe that someone made a campfire long ago and the sticks just...remained there, without being covered by sand, for eons ||

I’m probably thinking too hard about something unnecessary lol. Answer: plot reasons

[rigid mural]

Yeah ! I totally see skids using the rubble to create makeshift tents, at least to store items they like. And in the season of assembly, it's shown they can at least make rudimentary furniture.
Also most irl kids love making treehouses and the like, so even new skykids could participate.

I don't know if sky kids ARE children or just look like ones, but my personal take is that some are litteral children and others could only look young. Thinking about the ones that went to Eden and back for example.

[dry ivy]

I love that idea! I like to think of Skids, when not going to Eden or finding Spirits, just like to hang around and make their own little community together in a childhood utopia lol

That don’t build cities or whatever but just live in the wild, making little places to live in ruins, nooks, crannies, and trees like you said

[rigid mural]

LP event shows sky kids at least look like kids, but maybe as time goes on, some will grow up into... skyfolks ?

[dry ivy]

You can play when you like, sleep where you like, and not have to worry about hurting yourself really (they can fly, and even when they fall from high up, they’re fine!). No disease to worry about either, nor drowning (they can breath underwater!). and they don’t have to eat (unless they want to, I like to think). Really, it’s what I wish I could do IRL—explore a beautiful world without worrying about falling off cliffs, drowning, or catching some horrible disease or being bitten by insects or eaten by wild animals

[icy spruce]

Hallo, what’s the topic?

[dry ivy]

The only downside are krill, the only predators that exist in the Sky world

I’ve thought that too before, whether they can “grow up” like we do or not. I tend to think there are young ones and older ones, but how the works

[rigid mural]

In any case, the game is based off stages of life and is about the cycle of rebirth, so I'm sure at some point we're bound to have grown up skyfolks in the mix to help skykids out. Maybe that's what veterans with tall height and elder hair are lol

[dry ivy]

Haha, yeah, I’ve interpreted tall skids as being older. Chibis really do look like toddlers, d’aw

[rigid mural]

mark of growing up in moths: gets footwear

[dry ivy]

HA

That reminds me

It was studying their feet the other day...maybe it’s just the camera but they almost look THIN, like...from the side it looks like a normal lower leg, but form the front it’s a slice basically

[rigid mural]

why are you studying their feet

[dry ivy]

I was taking a picture and as I moved the camera I saw that weird effect please I’m not weird don’t hurt me

[rigid mural]

[hushed steeple]

If sky kids has normal realistic modeled feet instead of toothpick legs, I would not have been able to play the game.

[rigid mural]

Moving on, I friended a litteral child on this game and the first thing they do after unlocking chat is drag me along in prairie and showing me places they want to build houses in, suffice to say skids doing makeshift shelters is completely in character.

[pastel brook]

Skybrah's fun fact of the day: 8 hours of sneep snorp a day keeps Dark Dragons away

[hushed steeple]

I think skykids are perfectly sentient, considering they are player characters. Even lore wise they show off expression a lot, even expression not learned from spirits.

[rigid mural]

Oh of course, I find that adorable when they react to the elders. Curious about what the forest elder is doing with the flame, jumping up to hit the flame like a ball with the valley twins and cheering the wastes elder up...

[dry ivy]

AWWW

[hushed steeple]

Its fun to play with my younger cousins. Things like the canth in forest cavern being called a “wiggly worm” and getting dubbed “kamkrill”

[rigid mural]

It's also hilarious when they spout stuff like "see that boat ? my dad made it".

I kinda want something fanmade where things are set in the future and skykids would have had time to get settled in that world. Maybe older skykids (sky folks ?) block some areas like the wastes to younger sky kids so they don't get krilled unless they are guided through to Vault.

Maybe veterans set something up to guide newer skyfolks (some could stay a while before taking on the perilous journey) through Eden.

[dry ivy]

I guess we have to be those wise elder skids and guide moff babies around dangers lol

[dry ivy]

Wait, the whale thing is called a Canth? I call it a Whorm now

[rigid mural]

Imagine... Isle and Prairie once again covered in colorful tents and resounding with the sound of crowds and chattering...

[dry ivy]

That’d be wonderful 😌

[rigid mural]

Valley echoing not only the cheers of the ancestors, but also the ones of skyfolks that came to see the races.

[dry ivy]

We can be like old people who say “I was here when there was NOTHING in this area. Those tents weren’t there, that over there hadn’t been built yet...the whole place was just a wide desert, I tell you!”

[dry ivy]

I have to say when I first played Valley, it struck me as eerie when I heard cheers and nobody was in the stands

I guess ghosts watch us compete idk

[rigid mural]

In the wastes, if dark plants and krill are indeed a personification of despair, maybe they can be pushed back slowly tent by tent with repopulation.

[rigid mural]

Cheerful spectator carrying the whole realm on their back...

[dry ivy]

Idk if servers allow that many skids, but I’d love it if there was a way for a bunch of skids to meet at valley and sit in the stands

[rigid mural]

If krills can't be pushed back, wastes can become the Australia of the sky world.

[knotty nimbus]

ah yes, wastestralia

[dry ivy]

Hey, did the ice skating girl memory show anybody in the stands when she skates in the arena?

[dry ivy]

Aw, bah, I learned only 8 skids can be in one place. Shoot. There goes my dreams.

[rigid mural]

There's a way to live in wastes if krill lights can't see what's beyond a simple piece of fabric; just spread one between walls over a construction site when a krill isn't looking, then get building under that shelter. Should be easy enough to at least make some tunnel-like constructions to walk around without minding the threat above.

The only truly inhabitable place could be Eden, but one could argue you could make a small haven in the first area with blueish grey colors with enough determination, probably for theoretical Eden guides.

One would still need a lot of litteral strenght to build anything in Eden, even in the beginning area. Probably using leftovers of nearby buildings.

Though I suppose people that often pass by Eden would build up a resistance to uncomfortable circumstances and bear with it just fine with a campfire and enough shelter from the wind to not snuff it out or being sent flying themselves.

[dry ivy]

Ooohh, good point! Krill don’t really have good sight in some ways, lol.

Dude, I’m liking the way you’re thinking with this repopulation and architecture stuff. I’d love to hear more

[dry ivy]

This reminds me of that last weekly that asked us which place we would NOT want to live in

A lot of people chose Eye of Eden lol. Only the most saintly hearted guide would live there!!

Commute would be hell

Edit: EYE of Eden, I mean. I call the heavenly area Eden...less confusion that way

[rigid mural]

I was afraid of boring people but sure !
I think that while Isle has the most passage since it's where everyone begins, it would only ultimately interest people that love guiding moths and moths themselves, with maybe the occasional Prophecy enthusiast.
Prairie and Forest are good candidates, and while it's obvious for the former, the latter does have plenty existing structures to use as a basis along with an entire area sheltered from the rain. Maybe some ingenious sky folks would find a way to open the exit door from the other side so they don't have to stomp on that hole all the time.
Valley sounds like the cosiest though, plenty of more or less intact buildings that just need some fixing and furnishing before being ready to live in. Unless it's too cold, but I get a feeling being a walking candle generates plenty of heat.

[frozen pivot]

i still find that odd tho, say it isnt game mech: for spirits to be left behind for some reason while most have already been ascended seems unreasonable. and i believe lore wise, the fall didnt happen suddenly but slowly, meaning the elders couldve been ascending spirits themselves early on as a last ditch effort before all were eventually lost.

i dont have ideas as to why the elders were left behind tho so theres that hole. going from wat i know, they exist in an orbit-like space which saves them from being corrupted or lost themselves since they arent there physically to be touched by darkness.

[dry ivy]

Once you got talking about homes, I immediately thought of that one area in the Forest with the fireplace and table (I just learned the season of belonging spirits met there or something)

And even in the rainy areas, you’ve got those old tree hideouts

[rigid mural]

I like to think the Elders will only ever leave this place once all their realm spirits are with them (if they plan to leave at all), in a captain leaves the sinking ship last way. They care deeply about their realm and I like to think it extends to their denizens as well.

[frozen pivot]

ah welp i forgot about that, but true. i guess its the spirit's fault all along

[rigid mural]

What ?

[dry ivy]

I like that idea. It makes sense why they are so worn out.

Well maybe they made it to the orbit space as a last effort. But even tho they’re safe now, they’ve obviously suffered injuries (physical and mental) that don’t fully heal until we come along

[frozen pivot]

the nearest ascenscion clinic couldn't have been so far, they could just wait in line there and get ascended, theres 5 of em too smh

[rigid mural]

We do see the Forest Elder rubbing their wrist as if it was painful (as someone that draws, I understand that). So yeah... they're likely in pain.

[dry ivy]

Though also maybe the spirit world they’re in and the physical realm coexisted more closely? Like their realities mixed. Then stuff happened and the worlds are apart, and can only be accessed through meditation

[frozen pivot]

carpal tunnel syndrome, or sprained her wrist from all those hammer whacking she did

[rigid mural]

uncle

[dry ivy]

Oh, she does that?? Never noticed!

And yeah maybe they didn’t ascend for reasons like vela said: sticking around with the rest of the crew on the sinking ship. Which is probably why you get to see a realm’s elder in Eden when you get all the cosmetics from all the spirits in that realm

[frozen pivot]

i mean thats a cool concept, ancestors seeing spirits walking around vibing down there for some reason

[oak axle]

Yknow… some of these spirits got me thinking that some of them died before the Storm

[rigid mural]

Yeah, light offering cutscene has them trying to assemble rocks together; pay close attention to their hands when they let them fall before your skykid comes up.

[dry ivy]

Yeah, idk if Ancestors could see the ghosts of the dead though, only they could see the Elders, but maybe it could’ve been that way too

Edit: Elders not ancestors elders not ancestors elders not ancestors ugh this cool down is so LONG

[frozen pivot]

the concept of dying in sky seems whack ngl, the only death u'll only really see are those creature bones of mantas, whurtles and whales. spirits dont die die, they just die and turn to spirits that ascend

[frozen pivot]

as long as ur connected to the light, it'll be possible to see em tho, i mean spirits are just dead light ancestors

[dry ivy]

Will do! I vaguely remember what you’re saying though, actually. It could be interpreted as a sign of sorrow or brooding, but I do see it as a sign of physical pain too

[rigid mural]

Sorrow...

[oak axle]

stares at Star Collector curiously No spirit would have the time and day to organize their wrecked up ships by the shore

Edit: EXCLUDING SEASON OF ENCHANTMENT BECAUSE THEY ARE A GROUP AND THEY KNOW THEY HAVE NO OTHER PLACE TO GO-

SLOWMODE making me wanna cryyyyy

[dry ivy]

Yeah, but then idk why the crying miner would be so sad about her friends dying. I don’t think I’d cry if I knew I could see them as a ghost any other day

“Oops yeah, I lost my body the other day. What can you do! Anyway, did you see the game at the arena last night?”

[rigid mural]

Do you know what happens after you die tho

Who's to say ancestors could see their fellows as spirits like skids do.

[frozen pivot]

i mean even if u know u'll see ur friends again as spirits but saw them died tragically, regardless u'll be sad

[dry ivy]

Yes, actually! Theres Heaven and Hell

But of course I won’t know all the details about what the EXPERIENCE is like, or what all exactly is in or happens in those two afterlife realms (like, I know Heaven is wonderful and I will see God, but I don’t know exactly what that will be like, true).

[rigid mural]

Are you for real or joking ?

[icy spruce]

Well we don’t know what happens in the afterlife obviously we’re not god (unless..)

But anyway, in some religions we reincarnate, there’s heaven and hell, nirvana or we just float around in some void

[dry ivy]

Yes!

I mean, that’s what I believe as a Christian, but I know not all believe that

But of course that doesn’t apply to the story or realm of the game! Sorry if that sounded confusing

[icy spruce]

Wait, are u talking about Sky’s afterlife or real life afterlife

[rigid mural]

Your faith is still something you believe in, but you don't know the truth yourself because you didn't die and come back from the dead. Like, you trust God on what he says but you don't know based on your own knowledge.
Same for ancestors, they might have had beliefs but it's still painful to see loved ones go because unless you're devout, there's this tinge of uncertainty out there.

[frozen pivot]

heaven and hell in sky seems out of place, i mean who would u put there? the kids that stole those diamonds?

[dry ivy]

Well, yes, it does come from faith, so it’d be the same for the ancestors; and now that I think of it, it applies to RL...I can still feel quite grieved to see someone pass on, whether I know they accepted Christ or not

But still, I think I’d be a bit less sad if I could see the ghosts of my loved ones walking around, haha

[icy spruce]

true, I personally think that orbit is like uhhh Asphodel Meadows from greek mythology yknow?

[dry ivy]

Sorry, I was connecting my faith with thinking over the game, but I wasn’t proposing that the game has a Heaven or hell

[lethal stump]

hello lore chat i see we're discussing mortality and religion

[oak axle]

Why am I theorizing on how spirits came to be like I’m here theorizing Gloatong Narcissist’s first death for all I care-

[frozen pivot]

having a purgatory and a pseudo-heaven; returning to the light and becoming a star seems fitting enough

[dry ivy]

Asking the big questions lol

[rigid mural]

Faith is also something you can question, not every ancestor would be devout if they worshipped something to begin with.

[dry ivy]

You’re right! Really, one can’t have faith unless you’re willing to ask questions and seek the truth

[lethal stump]

imo some of the ancestors worshipped megabird, but worship of Her was banned by resh cause he wanted them to worship him/the elders instead

[dry ivy]

And even continue asking and seeking in having that faith. It’s definitely a process

[rigid mural]

I'd like to have a debate with you tbh, you sound fun to talk about religion with. Because I don't think faith itself necessarily needs to be questioned to be there, but it needs to be questioned to be healthy.

[dry ivy]

Oh wow. Was that shown in the concept art? And even if it’s theory, it’s an interesting one

[frozen pivot]

megabird nuked the whole planet cus theyre jealous their spouse more popular than them now

[lethal stump]

imo resh is megabird's son

[frozen pivot]

and they say the king is evil, smh

[rigid mural]

Megabird could be a natural event that's worshipped, like a lot of civilizations worshipped thunder.

[lethal stump]

i believe in some cases it was hinted that the ancestors stopped worshipping megabird, but my hc of resh banning worship of Her outright is simply for angst and theory purposes (my resh has some godly mommy issues)

[dry ivy]

Oh wow, thank you! I am still learning myself, and I don’t have all the answers, but I appreciate having the chance to muse over my faith and grow by talking with you too! And you’re exactly right. The problem is when people don’t want to know or question about faith. And that’s something I want to avoid myself (rather than being afraid of my faith being questioned, I should welcome it! I’m still trying to work on that. )

[frozen pivot]

imo megabird is light itself

[dry ivy]

It does seem more like...the Force than a defined god-being

But then again, if we interpret it’s the Bord speaking to us at the beginning, it has enough of a consciousness and a defined identity to be a personal creator

[rigid mural]

I'm not the religious type but philosophy is fascinating. I think religions, like a lot of things, have good and bad. A king can use it to control the population but some of our most iconic works of art are religious in nature for example.

[dry ivy]

Ooh, that sounds very fun to explore in writing

[rigid mural]

Really ? Or could it be the isle elder fulfilling their role of the one introducing you to the world

[lethal stump]

in my theory, a lot of the megabird-worshipping ancestors were like "haha what the hjonk" about the stuff the king was doing and so he was just like "this just in: megabird is banned, blocked, and reported, i am god now"
although another part of it was megabird horribly abusing alef/resh when he still lived beside her and honestly all the elders were in support of banning worship of megabird because she was frankly a horrible person
tis my theory though, not canon

[frozen pivot]

huzzah, get converted

[dry ivy]

Yes! And yeah, that’s true. I personally even hate calling Christianity a “religion”, even using the term Christianity sometimes (it is used as such an umbrella term these days for things I don’t agree with at times). I don’t see myself as following a “religion” but more of loving God and accepting Christ as my savior.

But yep. Humans are flawed, and we tend to even warp faith to suit our own bad purposes. A lot of problems have arisen from misinterpreting the Bible (but that’s another kettle of fish)

[rigid mural]

So you mean that you're in a 🇨 🇺 🇱 🇹 ? (word got censored)

[dry ivy]

Ha! I gotta remember “what the honk”

Aw, heck, the MB being cruel is something that sounds very interesting to explore but also very grueling I personally don’t interpret the Bord in the game as that, but it’s still a cool theory tho

[lethal stump]

what can i say, i love angst

[rigid mural]

But yeah I personally believe megabird is a force with only a simulacrum of sentience at most. Those kinds of headcanons will be without me.

[orchid jolt]

Yah, especially now that the castle has no collision. Luckily, even though my sky home is in Eden, it's very near the Eden social space (right below the Eden door).

[hushed steeple]

Hard to picture an individual character for Mega. More of.....an overseeing entity? I think the sky in orbit seems to indicate it has some care for skykids. But maybe that care is as vague as sky lore.

[dry ivy]

Oh GOSH no way, man

I mean, if i can be frank here: I see religion as rituals humans do to feel good and work hard to go to Heaven or get some great reward of some sort, or to appease the divine so you don’t get punished over by them

I’m not trying to appease God or work hard to “get to Heaven”. I’m having a loving relationship with a just God, who loves humanity and wants them to be with Him for eternity (but also one who is righteous and has boundaries: he’s not gonna look at evil and say “oh it’s okay! You can keep doing that cuz I love you anyway”). It’s also one I could never hope to impress to gain salvation on my own. It’s a free gift from Him.

[frozen pivot]

sky lore? where

[dry ivy]

To mangle a quote Potter Puppet Pals: Sky angst Sky angst Sky angst

[rigid mural]

Can we take this to PMs ? We're out of context here.

[dry ivy]

Oof yeah, that’s a good idea. Sorry about that!

Out of games I’ve played, it’s funny how TGC’s games are the ones that I connect my faith the most with in many ways lol

[queen fjord]

I swear someone said there was light krills in a trailer somewhere, can someone say if im just imagining it or-

[rigid mural]

Probably because it's among the most well made worlds with lore that's not in your face lol, so there's space for interpretation so it often becomes personal

[dry ivy]

Whaaat? This is new to me

[rigid mural]

Huge thing the two characters ride in the switch trailer ? Not confirmed but plausible.

[orchid jolt]

Found it (at least some of it):
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[rigid mural]

I don't wish to work at TGC but I want to know their creative process for Sky, the amount of detail I saw is exactly what I want to be able to do with my own stories and aaaaa I would pay cash money for an art book with designer thought processes and development notes

it's the environmental storytelling

[hushed steeple]

These are the critters currently thought to be light krills. More obvious in the concept art, where they have those perfect massive ram horns.

[queen fjord]

YOOOO THANK YOU
I hope those are in the next season area

[dry ivy]

Ahh, same! We need a book with all the concept art we’ve shared on here

We have a Journey art book, so I’m sure we will get one for Sky someday

[dry ivy]

OHHH LOOOKKK: they have the one eye like krill do!!!

And I was just saying on here that krill might’ve had flesh at some point before becoming...skeletal

Aw

I guess krills could be very ill or starved versions of these guys ☹️

Or undead

[pale mason]

Hmmmm zombie krills

[dry ivy]

Funny too how the concept looked more like a bull with a cow-like nose

[hushed steeple]

It sorta look like the designed changed over the pannels....the one in the middle of the concept, still had one eye on the head. Im still miffed they took the horns off though.

[pale mason]

I now imagine a matador skykid

[hushed steeple]

They also have the ridges, like a krill has in the final one. But its softer and more subtle.

[dry ivy]

Imagines a skid standing in front of a krill, holding his cape in front of him, matador style, and then when the krill zooms past, he does a side step, avoiding the angry shrimp with a flamboyant flourish

Ole!

[dry ivy]

Yeah. So now we know that our “corrupt” krills have no skin

[dry ivy]

The more I look at the top image, the more it looks like a closeup of a horse’s snout with glowing nostrils

Edit: glowing. Autocorrect...sigh

[orchid jolt]

you have to be at least a little unsure. Personally I think I'm on the agnostic side of religion, where I don't really believe in religion but also don't NOT believe in religion. I may have the definition of agnostic wrong tho....

Things arent black and white, you can definitly believe in an afterlife while still having some doubt. Its ok to be unsure of things.

but i guess its also possible to have no doubt.

[half shadow]

TBF i don’t think that having theological discussions on real world religions is encouraged in this channel over ingame lore

[frozen pivot]

as long as its theory's sake and no one is malding, its chill

[frozen pivot]

for all we know, not worshipping megabird is a sin and will result in megabird throwing the spirit into the darkness to be consumed, basically a skewed version of heaven and hell; thats why its so rampant. a touch of bricky's theory for context

[lethal stump]

we often discuss theology here as the game's lore itself touches on it often

[orchid jolt]

In the concept art, we can see that some parts of sky take inspiration from religion even.

[hushed steeple]

I was thinking, more like the og critter is caked in darkness. And it can be melted off or something. More like an exoskeleton

[orchid jolt]

So, do you think that the overcharge present in this concept art would be beneficial or harmful to us?

[frozen pivot]

WHALE

[hushed steeple]

Personally, sky seems to be going for a “light vs dark” type thing, which is a bit different from the bible, where they are not equal. I think light and darkness might symbolize soul and instinct in sky. Its looking more and more like darkness does not actually have a vessel of its own.

[orchid jolt]

now that I think about it, we could actually be a vessel made of darkness for transporting light. Of course now with a deep connection to the light unlike previous sky kids. Megabird may have learned of possible uses of darkness from the ancestors and decided to use it in making us

[hushed steeple]

I still don’t believe in past gen skykids except for Alef

[orchid jolt]

all 68 statues in eden argue otherwise, especially the 63 we give winged lights to

[hushed steeple]

All 63 statues argue otherwise again when they come back next week, used to have friend names attached to them and you also turn into one.
“Thats just game mechanics!”
But theres also no proof its not just modern day skykids.

[orchid jolt]

ok, then what about the 5 in eden before sacrifice?

[hushed steeple]

Moths who didn’t make it to point of no return.

[orchid jolt]

and the fact that we cant save those who do eden with us and die first? (why is slowmode still activated????)

[lethal stump]

ive asked in #contact-the-mods for it to be lowered to 10 seconds but that was only yesterday and theyre probably swamped

[hushed steeple]

Maybe your buds still cooling, not empty enough for filling back up

[orchid jolt]

then they should look the same, instead some shatter and some are covered in crystals. And also why should that mean we cant save them? Plus why would the statues shatterr in a calmer place than the point of no return but when being pounded by the crystals they dont shatter?

[hushed steeple]

Okay so after the credits, is this universe in the flame of a candle?

If you die before point of no return you get a normal game over, yeah? They shatter because no one is trapped there.

[orchid jolt]

THEN WHAT ABOUT THE TWO THAT DONT SHATTER

[lethal stump]

no need for all-caps, ameoba

[hushed steeple]

The empty shells that don’t shatter is sturdy enough. Maybe newer? I don’t mind caps. Lore is casual EVEN IF YOU LOOK LIKE YOU ARE YELLING.

[nocturne rampart]

the 2 that dont shatter just havent gotten to the point of shattering yet? we dont know the timeline of them getting stuck, the shatterers could just be older

[hushed steeple]

How do they come back weekly? What did it mean when they had friends names?

[orchid jolt]

ok, i forgot to mention this: the two that dont shatter are covered in blue crystals while the 3 that do shatter dont have anything on them, no darkness at all.

[nocturne rampart]

i think that the reincarnation part puts you back in time? or the other statues get reincarnated with you and then come straight back to get stuck again

[orchid jolt]

but they dont, they literally fly into the sky and become stars

[hushed steeple]

Does that not make you part of the original gen if you go back in time every time?

The crystals, well, game wise, the blue ones are prolly just not rigged to fall apart, to show crystals can grow on them. Lore wise, mm, maybe they flourish on freshly lost light?

[orchid jolt]

plus if we went back in time, we would have to meet the spirits again for them to recognize us

[nocturne rampart]

when you reincarnate, it resets your elders, and your winged light. i think that its something to do with ascended/normal candles, to let them stay across reincarnations.
elders dont get anything from you, and they reset

[hushed steeple]

The statues in eden are just fellow poor saps who needed more ac for resize potions

[orchid jolt]

ok, look, the 2 come before the 3. blue crystals seem to be the refined form of the raw red crystals. This looks like a case of the crystals being naturally refined over an extended period of time.

[hushed steeple]

Refined? Maybe. Could be instant too. Maybe the blue is just if it has freshly lost light to change its color.

[orchid jolt]

???? the elders dont reset after eden. What are you talking about

[nocturne rampart]

you need to go wake them up again

[lethal stump]

you can wake them up several times in one incarnation, its not dependant on if youve been reborn yet

[orchid jolt]

its dark stone. not the statues themselves.

and artemis, you mean the cutscenes? you can go watch them again without doing eden.

[hushed steeple]

You can also skip it. Prolly more work to make a different scene for them already being awake. I don’t think their memories reset or anything like that. Sky lore is......jello

[nocturne rampart]

i mean that you have to go wake them up, it switches from have been awoken before to have not been awoken before. you need to wake them all up to go to eden again.
right?

[hushed steeple]

I think its just the way to rewatch cutscenes.....but interesting

[orchid jolt]

also, why would only 2 of the statues have darkstone on them? the time thing doesnt hold up as that would mean the darkstone would have even more time to grow on them.

[hushed steeple]

The ones that don’t break. Ok time for nitty gritty of silly theories....the ones that don’t break, the crystals where done with. No freshly lost light.

[orchid jolt]

???? no, you can go to eden as long as you have 20 winged lights/wing buffs. If you have 20 wing buffs from the spirits in orbit you can go right into eden the moment you appear at home again

[orchid jolt]

then what about the spirits, their statues have been around for even longer than the sky kid's statues and have been covered in darkness too. and where would the crystals go? they dont exactly walk around so they should still be stuck to the statues.

[hushed steeple]

The spirits where not caused by visiting eden, they where further out. They only got the “ashes” of darkness falling on them. Not enough for strong hungry crystals to form. Only to be caked in darkness.

In reality I never thought about the timing of the formations of crystals on the statue kids in eden or why some fall or others don’t. Because I just think its decoration. For drama.

[lethal stump]

like the pompeii bodies

[orchid jolt]

then why are the statues directly in sacrifice covered in the dark dust instead of the crystal shards? They had the means to have the shards on the sky kids (it was in light awaits i think) but changed it to the dust.

[lethal stump]

funny you mention light awaits. the bodies with crystals on them are actually reused assets from LA. if i remember correctly they are a reference to old eden

[hushed steeple]

Mmmmmm.....becauseee....mmmm.....they still....have.....uh....their light is too freshly uhh.......

Prolly because the crystals only form after the light is fully lost?
I honestly don’t think the crystals have all these rules. But for funsies, sure.

[lethal stump]

if we wanted to be scientific, it is entirely likely that the coatings we see on the blue crystal bodies and the coatings on the black crystal bodies are actually both of the same crystal family, just with a different pigmentation that could frankly be caused by anything

for an irl example, rubies and sapphires are actually in the same family, theyre just different colour

[orchid jolt]

there arent any black crystal bodies or any blue crystal bodies, just stone-like statue's covered in either the dusty darkness or the blue crystals or just nothing at all

[lethal stump]

and im proposing the darkness (which when looked at up close has a crystalline structure) and blue crystals are both crystals of the same family, just different pigments

[orchid jolt]

you mean the dust?

[lethal stump]

dust-ish, yes

[orchid jolt]

pls send a picture of what your talking about so I can debate it properly (lol)

[dense fractal]

if sky kids and ancestors/spirits existed at the same time, what would be the sky kids actual purpose?

[unborn gyro]

does anybody have any theories on how/why the sky kingdom became so ruined? (particularly theories that go more in-depth)

[lethal stump]

oh so so many...
the very common, broad-strokes theory is that there was a war, and after that the Eden Diamond blew up and caused the destruction we see today. most theories are variations on these broad strokes. the only canon we know about the kingdom's downfall is that it had something to do with power diamonds

[unborn gyro]

ooh thats really interesting :0

[unborn gyro]

considering it was said that skykids are a new generation if we're talking pre-ruining of the kingdom they'd probably just be citizens?

[dense fractal]

the stars fell., and the war happened

this aligns with my theories about how darkness affects spirits and skykids differently, how the worlds are arranged and how eden came to be.

so pre-war era, scholars from the vault of knowledge were on a campaign to research about how light affects us, and to test out importing and exporting trade through the use of boats powered by power diamonds. the more the scholars learned they had the ability to manipulate light , the more light disappears from both creatures and plants. this causes the balance between dark and light to be disrupted, and like how real stars work, they fell (refer to nintendo trailer, and the first cutscene at the isle.)
similar to how fungi/mushrooms are created, once stars fell on land, it corrupted its surroundings, thus, dark plants and polluted water was formed. since we know that if there are bone remains of creatures (dev/ concept art post) means that they've died unnatural deaths, their waste could also contribute to the increase in pollution of certain areas like golden wasteland. little did they know that the darkness itself carries some pretty bad side effects, like forgetfulness (drunkard spirit's cutscene) and amnesia (which is why we can only see a few scenes from each spirit, mostly the crucial ones)

(1)

knowing that light is non-renewable, they had to act quickly and preserve the light as soon as possible, so they mass produced power diamonds and stored light in jars, but the production costed more light to function so it was a losing situation at most.
the light produced was for another reason, though : eden's big power diamond. theoretically eden was supposed to be the hotspot that would be full of light and no darkness could be present, it could've been a place where spirits could "recharge their light" and be a symbol of purity. it would then be led by the eden elder, who carries the crown constellation.

now, i do not know or havent had a theory about that caused the war, but it would most likely be due to the fact light creatures became corrupted / turned into krills, and people, including the wasteland elder, fought them off and brought with them those spikey things so keep krills abay. the lack of people in the wasteland because of the now dark creatures aka krills was the reason why only golden wasteland was the area that was the one that suffered corrution the most. the vault was not affected that much due to its technological advancements (power diamonds and proper lighting) , but the corruption made its way to an area that was ironically supposed to be a place of purity and light : eden.

when a star fell on eden's massive power diamond, it caused an unbalance and instead of powering light to the area, it started spurring out red rocks & darkness. with eden being a hotspot , many of the residents/spirits there were unable to escape, the eden elder included (thus he was dubbed as the elder that could not be saved) ,

now that pollution and corruption took place because of the elders greedy actions, the kingdom of sky fell. it was every realm elder for themselves now , and it stayed that way till they were trapped in the cycle waiting to be reborn.

the elders could also possibly resemble the 5 stages of grief, being :

isle : depression
praire : denial
forest : anger
valley : bargaining
gw : anger
vault : depression

@unborn gyro sorry for the ping! i thought you would like to see this, lmk if you dont want to be pinged again tho

[unborn gyro]

I LOVE THIS

[dense fractal]

ASDFGHJKL THOSE ARE ALL THE THEORIES COMBINED FROMME && PPL I TALKED WITH FEEL FREE TO ADD YOUR OWN DEPTHH I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT/WHO CAUSED WHAT

[weary light]

oh my gosh i never thought about that

[dense fractal]

i was also on a quest to relive all the common spirits and examine their behavior one by one, currently im stuck and obsessed with isle common spirits , i found that spirits and moths actually existed in the same period! i thought they were dead dead before we came

[nocturne rampart]

A skykid survives unharmed standing in the middle of fire, and being sucked through a hurricane. Could a skykid survive a nuclear bomb?

[dense fractal]

since a nuclear bomb has a radioactive component, i think it could survive but also absorb its components making it a walking nuclear bomb XD

[lethal stump]

there is one (1) confirmed skykid who existed at the time of the ancestors, and its often believed it was the Prince/King

[dense fractal]

HOLD THAT SO YOU'RE TELLING ME THIS WAS MOST LIKELY THE KING??

[orchid jolt]

wellll, it is technically possible that the ancestors were born this way too, they can resemble sky kids. In game, one example would be the boogie kid.

[lethal stump]

yep ! have you been to the prophecy caves yet ? bc that spirit lines up with the murals of the prince/king's arrival

[dense fractal]

that's an amazing detail!!! i have been to the prophecy caves but haven't really indulged in the murals yet , my seasonal spirit observations are for after I've gathered data from common spirits! thank you for pointing that out though, it technically solved my plot hole

[lethal stump]

i would argue against that due to the spirit reactions in ushering's memory. if this is commonplace, i doubt they wouldve acted so anxious/surprised about the arrival of this kid. not to mention ancestors seem to be an analogy for humans, so i would imagine they make kids the same way humans do

[dense fractal]

i think that spirits and sky kids are both formed differently as only one can vessel light. spirits/ancestors could manipulate the light around them and use it for day-to-day activities, but only sky kids could consume it and hold the ability to be reborn.

[orchid jolt]

i mean, it isnt 100% confirmed. It is likely a sky kid, but it isnt really confirmed

[dense fractal]

i like your take on how spirits and skykids were created, amobea!

[orchid jolt]

? what take?

[somber vigil]

you know how the prarie elder is balding a little

i think it might just be a sky version of a tonsure

[opal briar]

🥚 ?

[lethal stump]

...humans do not lay eggs. they give live birth

[opal briar]

I make joke,funny,yes?(bad Russian accent )

[nocturne rampart]

is the darkwater that the guy in the desert's urn mentions drinking lore relevant?

[lethal stump]

imo TLP season isnt lore relevant but its up to you

[nocturne rampart]

just the confirmed existence of darkwater, which is different from regular water

[lethal stump]

dark water has been confirmed for a while, thats the stuff in wasteland and eden

[frozen pivot]

if dark water is called dark, would the opposite be called light water or clear water?

[icy spruce]

:D

[hushed steeple]

TLP lore: booze is canon.

[dusty kite]

... wait so,, is the slouching soldier basically drinking polluted salt water? Yea that’s something to be ashamed of alright

[harsh pecan]

Ig

[upbeat rampart]

When I was getting toured in Daylight Prairie (the place where you needed to unlock by two different constellations), this happened

They developed a whole thing here--there were certain places where there was holes which I couldn't go in. Just seemed weird

[modern cedar]

that's an OOB area! most of the holes have an invisible wall but you can squeeze by some

[upbeat rampart]

Yep, I assumed it's an OOB
Is there any possible lore to this? I just found it weird that there's a whole place here

[modern cedar]

i don't think so necessarily? most video game environments are designed this way
for example, if you chibi clip out of prophecy cave, the whole thing is inside one giant cube, but it's obviously canonically supposed to be underneath isle

if anything id say it almost seems like a little ocarina cave which would be pretty cool but i doubt it

[upbeat rampart]

This has no hard evidence but I have a feeling this is where mantas reside or so, of course this is just a feeling more than anything (because I feel like they come from the ground, and for some reason I believe they came from here, float in clouds and make an appearance in the island bits)

[modern cedar]

ooh, possible?

another good example is the cloned coliseum in valley
if you fly out one of the windows of the temple, you can go down the cloud tunnel and find an entire second coliseum that's used for the elder cutscene. it's kept in an OOB because it's not meant to be explored by the player, but doesn't have an actual in-game meaning. a random floating coliseum over an infinite expanse of water with no land would be kind of wierd and not make sense lorewise

[rigid mural]

It's also weirdly named Starlight Memorial ??? If you go on the constellation table there.

[modern cedar]

i know its so cool, i actually just found that place today

[oak axle]

I swear if that place is where we actually know what made spirits came to be I-

[modern cedar]

hold up, isnt starlight memorial kida close to starlight desert?

[pastel brook]

It is the time you have wasted for your rose that makes your rose so important, @modern cedar

[rigid mural]

No...? The desert is all the way to Vault.

[modern cedar]

as in by name sorry

[boreal bane]

Whats starlight memorial?

[pseudo heart]

It seems to be a part of a code that resurfaced in one of the past builds in Valley's Colosseum OOB that has not been addressed for awhile.

Regarding Starfield Memorial

« We're not doing anything to make the valley oob a feature. it's likely a resurfaced relic of an old, abandoned system. As we clean up old code to make the game run smoother and better, this stuff crops up from time to time (think the old world quests that were accidentally enabled recently). »

#beta-discussion message

And,
« oh. that.
That one [Starfield Memorial] gets to remain a mystery »
#beta-discussion message

— Ktjn
Caution: both links are from beta discussion channel

[nimble dock]

does anyone have a story to go along with the murals in hidden forest? the one under the entrance?

[lethal stump]

the entrance ? do you mean the ones in the little sewer way ?

[restive cosmos]

hi

[restive cosmos]

*spent,not wasted

[upbeat rampart]

Okay I didn't think of it much but now I am

But it could be just technical stuff so I don't really know, I feel like we're underestimating Isle in general in terms of lore.

Almost no other places showed Vault except Isle (from dp, forest, Valley and perhaps gw, you don't see Vault)

It just gives an impression that Isle is more important than we think, at least to me. Also, along with that, someone mentioned of Isle Elder being banned, so maybe that's because the others were exposed to a harsh truth they couldn't tolerate and Isle elder got banned because of that?

if this is a bug I will burn

[icy spruce]

I mean, Isle is kinda like where the kindom started

[heavy hollow]

Can someone explain the story of the game to me? I still don't quite understand it

[graceful oasis]

Stars exist, they do a mistake that isn’t explained, they fall and they make kingdom, boom origin story

[upbeat rampart]

It's mostly left vague, but from what is observed, there are stars who make mistakes, come to Sky kingdom after being fallen and create this kingdom and then it eventually faces a downfall

[icy spruce]

hey kid, wants some docs that might help you in lore? [tips fedora]

[gilded spoke]

sky kid eyes are like flashlights

[graceful oasis]

Chesca your going to make them suffer from confusion

[icy spruce]

:(

f in e >:(

hey kid, want a pic that explains Sky’s CONCEPT timeline?

[upbeat rampart]

Yes, but from what I got here, it seems like Isle knows that Sky kingdom is also going to suffer from a downfall unlike the others

[graceful oasis]

Well it probably based off what we can know about the Elder of Isle wasn’t exactly with the King, and he was left out of major knowledge of elements and using the light to power too many diamonds as the epic light technology compared to the other light harness doors in isle’s area

[harsh pecan]

There’s a King

[graceful oasis]

Quietly grabs bird and a God

[icy spruce]

brings fried chicken What god?

[lethal stump]

oh megan not the concept timeline dont start the moths with THAT

[icy spruce]

:)

[lethal stump]

the story YOU play through is youre a skykid in a fallen kingdom overrun with darkness. you go through, meeting other skykids as you go, burning away the darkness and collecting light to eventually return to Orbit. then once youve given your light to Orbit you're reborn to do it all over again, this time with cooler clothes

the story BEFORE that is a lot more nebulous but the general idea is disgraced stars did an industrial revolution, had a war over it, and then the eden diamond exploded and killed them all

[upbeat rampart]

Perhaps

If so though, with a probable enmity, why do the doors kinda look same? The archway?
It is probably the "it starts where it stops" here idk

[graceful oasis]

Sips tea Look at the doors in isle that can give signs to the more ancient places and not the belong king area because that are just seems to be a installed house.

[modern cedar]

the rebirth gate in orbit is the same kind of gate as the portals in home space. do with this information as you will

[graceful oasis]

Teleportation to a preset time.

[hushed steeple]

Looks like you step out that portal in the middle of the sky and yeet yourself on the floor, like falling from a great height cause you didn't expect to appear in the middle of the sky

[severe escarp]

Does anyone know what this 2 player door was from aviary?

[rigid mural]

An entire code for a working constellation table with a name popping up and camera change resurfaced ?

[rigid mural]

Is that in light awaits ? Bird's nest doesn't have two player doors and I don't recall ever seeing that

[severe escarp]

That is the aviary. It's on the left side part.
What was it for?

[rigid mural]

Is it on the left side part of bird nest ? Prairie village ? Where is it ?

[pseudo heart]

It was a door with a gravestone inside that gave you an emote, it required two players to open, yes. I forgot which emote it gave, unfortunately

[rigid mural]

???
I don't have light awaits, just so you know.

[pseudo heart]

I wasn't playing then either, I know these by watching videos and looking through this channel's pins and I am sharing what I know with you now

[rigid mural]

So it's in light awaits indeed, right ?

[pseudo heart]

Okay so I looked into it and the gravestone gave Rejecting Voyager's "no" emote

[severe escarp]

Oh ok. Tysm

[nimble dock]

tes

[lethal stump]

well in that case, those murals are believed to represent people in boats with light creatures in their jars going to the power diamond factory (aka forest temple) so the light creatures can be processed into power diamonds

[nimble dock]

ok thx

[severe escarp]

Ah. So it like represents the modern world. Like mass production and exploitation of environment. That is nice writing.

[rigid mural]

The forest temple door represents that too. When you light both sides up, gems come out of the drawn trees and are soon joined with gems that were in the drawn jars in the center of the door, who flips, lights up then opens.
I like to think they weren't just cutting trees down, something was inside them.

[half shadow]

I just wanted to say that I’m sorry for assuming about religious talk in here last night, most of the large fandom discord’s I’m in have had very strict rules about that sort of thing to avoid arguments so I was uncertain about if that applied here - I’m glad it’s not! Theology is something I’m very intrigued by and I enjoy discussing my own practice and analyzing religious themes in stories like Sky, where there’s a lot of small hints to look at :)

[lethal stump]

its ok ! but yeah in lore chat we discuss a lot of theology, mainly the abrahamic religions and buddhism since thats what sky draws on the most

[half shadow]

Oh yeah, lots of heavy Buddhist vibes! I think it fits perfectly with the world

[pseudo patrol]

Just a random thought but I wonder if Krills are corrupted elder spirit mantas. I mean, they both have very long bodies and I can see how the wings could turn into weird legs ...
Then again, spirit mantas are supposedly dead so I don't really know how this would work - but they look very similar to me

[tropic isle]

Well, there aré Elder mantas, soooooo yeah, Nice theory, and we can prove It, since we have the skeleton of Elder mantas(Vault Of Knowledge floor 4) and there aré a BUNCH of bonés in the graveyard(Golden Wasteland Act 2) maybe one of the bonés are from the krills

[pseudo patrol]

Indeed, if there are elder spirit mantas, "normal" elder mantas should exist too, I wasn't thinking straight 😄

[orchid jolt]

the one in sanctuary is an elder manta

and it looks similar to the one the spirits were riding in the switch trailer (which also looks like a krill)

[half shadow]

So, to preface, I’ve never seen the Switch trailer. I just watched it and hooooooollllllly moley I got SO many chills. Is that the prince?? It’s gotta be right??

[lethal stump]

the prince never appears in the switch trailer

[nimble ingot]

Not sure.
Some say the young one is possibly the young version of what would be the future captain of shipwreck ( )

Though, some spirits have been seen wearing cosmetics of other spirits.

[half shadow]

oh man, Captain spirit is one of my favorites! That’s so cool

[nimble ingot]

since the ancestors have the same skin as skykids. Does that mean the ancestors and skykids are fleshy? Or does that mean both have clay or stone like skin?
If they have similar skin types, are ancestors fireproof too?

So many questions...

[half shadow]

I think the best thing to be confirmed from that trailer is that mantas have lil nubby mouths

Personally, I think that the skids were made in the image of the ancestors. Since they aren’t the same race technically, they could just have been molded to appear as similar as possible by the Megabird/whatever entity creates them

[nimble ingot]

maybe

[half shadow]

It would make sense to me then that they are made of stone/stone like material and their ability when close to death to basically turn into stone. They could have been statues (maybe of dark stone?) that were given Light to animate them

I don’t entirely remember if this is confirmed or not or if it’s stated in Lore docs (looked through them and so far couldn’t find a solid answer, which, I mean, is to be expected honestly) but is it concluded that Sky Kids fall from the sky, but are not the same as the stars that fell? I know the ones in the intro are meant to represent the Elders and the constellation stars are the Ancestors, but are Sky Kids also confirmed to be star-like?

[nimble ingot]

I'd say so, since the constellation has friends as stars.
We give off light like a star, and able to return to the world like a falling star.

If not a star, then us skykids can be like a comet, or even a piece of a star?

[half shadow]

Yeah, that’s why I was asking, because if Sky Kids = comets or something similar, then they could possibly be literally made out of a comet’s stone

More like an asteroid actually now that I think about it

Also, from the switch trailer, I gotta say that I see Isle in a lot more of a sad light considering what it used to be

Considering how much of Sky’s world is covered in sand/something like sand, I wonder how many desert-y places like Isle actually used to be closer to this in appearance

[opal briar]

Pretty 🤩

I feel like the kingdom of sky is circles around the central mountain/Eden

Like ba sing say (avatar the last air Bender) or the city in attack on Titan and it’s 3walls

[lofty totem]

That’s what I said lol

[dry ivy]

Wait, is that pic from the Switch trailer? Why don’t I remember it 💦

[dry ivy]

Oh nvm, didn’t read carefully like a fool

Mannn I forgot how verdant it looked!! You’re right—now I feel sad I kinda wish we could explore more verdant my areas like Prairie

Yo hold on

Heyyy the castle isn’t floating in that picture!!

Maybe it was obvious to some, but I always thought it floated. But it seems the castle got that way due to that cataclysmic explosion we keep theorizing about

I guess power diamond do seem to have the power to make things float. Archive rocks, that big floating rings area in Valley, and all those floating islands throughout the realms. Maybe some naturally occur due to power rock substance being in the earth or something (sanctuary island for example) while much of the land might’ve been terraformed by the Ancestors to suit their purposes

Hmmm...which gives Skid’s power of flight more meaning. Light grants the power of flight, which makes sense as power rocks must be imbued with light to float and do floaty-magic things

It’s also interesting to see how those who lived around the Isle area lived in tents. Either this is how the isle peoples always lived, or this cutscene shows the early days of the Ancestor civilization

[terse canopy]

They getting more closer to the elf in japanese animes

[orchid jolt]

hey, is it true that there used to be a krill in a plant in office? I know theres the normal krill in office, thats not what im talking about
https://youtube.com/clip/UgzqPFW9bwgUiy4x8554AaABCQ

[icy spruce]

Ye, there’s used to be it was for 2020 halloween event

It was a nightmare if you asked

[terse canopy]

Guess you mean in Halloween after you burn the plant

[novel marten]

I lost like 5 winged lights over there

[terse canopy]

I was saw anyone losing wings just front of my face. Nightmare

[orchid jolt]

no, imean the krill in the green plant nasty mold talked about. you can still summon the big krill

[lofty totem]

Why is nobody talking about news lol

[icy spruce]

I love the QG’s pants, I need it. Also the hair ig, pretty cool

[frozen pivot]

frog

[terse canopy]

I- I just thinking they looks like a group of residents of the Mori… and I'm very welcome the guide bird come back

[orchid jolt]

@icy spruce @terse canopy I found an image of the baby i was talking about

[icy spruce]

OHHHH, ye no idk

[orchid jolt]

found on this video: https://youtu.be/uP86dyyXajw?t=162

[frozen pivot]

that bamboo shoot looking a little too thin and tad bit dark

[icy spruce]

Oh, it’s 2019 the video

I think they removed the feature

[orchid jolt]

its no longer there. https://youtu.be/TFQgXeexCe0?t=501

[icy spruce]

Ye

Ig so ⬇️

[terse canopy]

So in the past that will turn to kirll?

[frozen pivot]

yes

[orchid jolt]

i think it mightve just been a model faceplanted in the dirt but idk

@pastel brook your hair seemed to have glitched in 2019

[terse canopy]

I remember what this guy mentioned in net ease server

[rigid mural]

I like to think skykids and ancestors are the same tbh, they befriend eachother the same way, and some ancestors wear flight capes so it's possible they were airborne too

Ancestors too turn to stone (the stuff you gotta light up at the end of a spirit sequence) so maybe they too migrated to Eden.

The cemeteries we sometimes see could be that light not bought to Eden weakens over time, or maybe unnatural deaths like the cave-in in tearful miner's memory leave bodies behind (hence why said spirit had to bury their own comrades).

[lethal stump]

bird season...i hope we learn about Megabird. maybe these spirits will be Her close followers

[orchid jolt]

GUYS, I JUST REALISED THAT THE GHOST SQUID IN THE OFFICE MAY BE A REFERENCE TO GIANTSQUID!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_Squid_(company)

[lethal stump]

the ghost squid is actually a reference to the location being "haunted". its the design they made up for the "ghost"

[icy spruce]

Ye

[orchid jolt]

well, there are already spirits. and why choose an octopus/squid (not totally sure which it is)

[lethal stump]

its...not related to the canon of the game. its a made-up ghost for the real life TGC building because weird stuff happens there sometimes

[orchid jolt]

i mean, i know its not related to the canon. but like, it is related to the canon nonfiction story of sky's devolopment. and i have heard of the whole haunted thing, but i also wonder why its a squid/octopus

[lethal stump]

ask the devs lmao they made up the ghost

[icy spruce]

The squid ghost looks similar to that Japanese thing uhh I forgot what’s the name

But it’s also about spirits

[orchid jolt]

last time i went and @ the devs i got baned from making a post for 24 hours (i kinda @ them multiple times before the ban so it was fair. I wont do that again)

[lethal stump]

youre not supposed to ping the devs, mate

[icy spruce]

Anyway, what now

[lethal stump]

im thinking about the new season
i hope it addresses megabird
maybe these characters are priests of Her

[orchid jolt]

yes i know that now, it was a while ago. I have grown. (I have used a couple resize potions)

[midnight owl]

Hello lore chat what do we think about the Season of Flight

[icy spruce]

Seasonal gift pants, finally

Also, those hairs looks fabulous

[orchid jolt]

i can finally talk about it! ok, and now i would like to say that the bird call spirit better make an appearance!

[lofty void]

I LOVE IT, BIRB SEASON SUPREMACY 🙏

[lofty totem]

Season of rythm I also bird season

[icy spruce]

I bet they used Birb Shampoo for their hair

[lofty void]

but Season of Flight is Rhythm 2.0

[lethal stump]

Megabird priests megabird priests me-

[midnight owl]

I thought that was Dreams

[lofty void]

DREAMS 2.0

[icy spruce]

The next birb season (after flight) will be FLIGHT 2.0

[frozen pivot]

dreams drama 2.0 too?

[hushed steeple]

What if season of flight focuses on how wl works what exactly it is, id love for that ti happen

[lofty totem]

Maybe season of flight we can ride birds

[midnight owl]

I'd love it if they introduced an improved Aviary for this season, on top of the cool area the lore would be

[median stone]

I might be sad for this season
||maybe I cant get any AP anymore||

[lofty void]

AVIARYYYYYY

[orchid jolt]

since its about birds, the bird call spirit would be interesting to see in some of the spirit memories

[median stone]

Yeah.... I wonder... I really hope those calls have their own purposes

[hushed steeple]

So bird call is basically the young skater of season of flight

[lofty totem]

Or maybe all the prairie spirts

[orchid jolt]

in certain sky youtubers discords there are challenged where you can win an ap

[orchid jolt]

no its more like how some spirit's from valley and gratitude appeared in bearhug hermit's memory

i have an idea for where the perfect entrance to a seasonal area would be

[hushed steeple]

Hmm, yeah definitely, i would be very happy of i saw jellyfish whisperer and laughing light catcher in a spirits memory

[half shadow]

Oooooh? Is the new season announced??

[lofty totem]

Or maybe the season is all about teaching skids how to fly? Maybe for the moths

[hushed steeple]

Also, where do you think the entrance is?

[orchid jolt]

i've felt like the call spirits were supposed to have something to do with the raised candle spirit.

[hushed steeple]

Really? How? Did the call spirits have something that connected them in some way?

Its 4 spirit season too, which hopefully means: bigger emphasis on story and gameplay

[frozen pivot]

an isle season?

[hushed steeple]

Lookslike prairie

[frozen pivot]

wherever it is, hopefully it aint filler this time

[median stone]

Well...
||that new symbol is from old art right? So it's maybe lore based||

[frozen pivot]

if its light awaits remaster, im gonna feel like god

[hushed steeple]

Yeah, and the Prophecy pendant was the prince's mask so if the flight pendant is a symbol of megabird than we might just get a lore-based season

Its not gonna have aviary tower. We are never ever getting aviary tower.

But what if it had aviary tower?

[frozen pivot]

we got more whurtles tho, dead ones, but whurtles nonetheless

maybe therell be watever aviary towers was but crumbled ones

[harsh pecan]

They should add a bird like Rhythm Bird

[orchid jolt]

This gate has always looked like a portal to me. Plus the spirit has a close relationship with a light creature (butterfly). Maybe we can light up the lamp to open it up

[hushed steeple]

It would be extra sucky to have to get another person just to enter a seasonal area though

[orchid jolt]

?? Where did I insinuate you'd need two people? There's only the one lamp in sleepy shipwright's room

[hushed steeple]

The shipwrite room....the one you need two people to get into?

[orchid jolt]

Oh. Ok fair but, you can always chibi oob

[hushed steeple]

People will get assembly mission flashbacks

[frozen pivot]

the group events are just dead, its impractical imo. last time i helped my friend for lamp quest in forest, we waited for an hour and a half

[lofty totem]

Yes Thatd be cool

[orchid jolt]

Well, I guess but for me, doing the missions with random people felt really nice. People on candle runs realizing someone needs help showing incredible compassion by stopping to help. To me it felt wondrous. Also they could make it so it was like the butterfly doors, one opened they won't close. Whenever I go to the butterfly doors they always seem open. Also they could give us something to help in those kinds of doors in the season!

[frozen pivot]

if they add another one, they have to atleast take that into account that when people's done the event, its unlikely that theyll do it again unless for a quest, which rarely happens too

[hushed steeple]

I would love another light creature.......but also love the idea of it actually being the QG too much, as improbable as it is. Sometimes I like to sit outside the tent mission just in case two people need a third and I get to hear the jazzy music again.

[orchid jolt]

Well, it's not for the seasonal events, it's for the seasonal entrance, think of it like the butterfly doors to the 8 player puzzle. Just the part that needs two people

[hushed steeple]

I think since Enchantment, they learned to make the entrance nice and close to the hub.

[orchid jolt]

Also those doors have something very important for lore.

[hushed steeple]

I like to think there was a lot more houses in prairie before. I thought it was very silly the place is called “village” when its more like three broom closets.

[orchid jolt]

Instead of using dark crystals, they use literal creatures of light likely still alive as we have seen bones of other light creatures

[frozen pivot]

8 player door yields wax, if it gives wax itll be part of a cr route, ofcourse thered be no problem with lack of participants. hell the 4 player door in vault barely got touched until they placed a cake in there.

if they gonna put doors, eden activated door would be much appreciated

[orchid jolt]

But I mean, it would make sense, connection to the light, connection to other people needed for the door. Also kitsu, it is not the eight player part it is just the butterfly door that only needs two players to open

[hushed steeple]

I have gotten stuck on both the butterfly door AND THE EIGHT LIGHT DOOR. GRAAAAAAH.

[orchid jolt]

Just I mean, think about it. It makes some sense right? But tbh the season likely has it's entrance in bird's nest

[frozen pivot]

oh, welp the thought of more 8 player doors that aint got nothing after, riled me up cus the pain of another dump content. unless it has lore behind that door ofc

[orchid jolt]

Pfff, sorry about that. I realize now it was a bad comparison.

But about the butterfly doors.

Instead of using dark crystals, they use literal creatures of light (butterflies) likely still alive as we have seen bones of other light creatures

Really, a whole minute of slowmode..... :'(

[frozen pivot]

idk, if they gonna push future group content, atleast make it not specifically for doors this time, or make it worth while unlike the assembly props

[hushed steeple]

I think some of those light creatures, namely the ones in GW, fought against krill. The ones in forest though, are prolly the ones that got squeezed.

[icy spruce]

W H U R T L E S

[frozen pivot]

its whurtles, we have more whurtles, if its not whurtles then wats anything anymore

[orchid jolt]

CAN WE PLS TALK ABOUT THE FLIPPING BUTTERFLY DOORS?????

[hushed steeple]

I think they looked like water proph’s stuff. Big flippy flappy flippers. Fluffy tail. Turtle horns. no beard though please

[frozen pivot]

only creature i can imagine tanking malding krills is whurtles

[orchid jolt]

Whales too. And sky kids with more than 4 winged lights

[icy spruce]

whurtles are good, chonky bois

[frozen pivot]

i mean in comparison with candle activated doors, u attracting the butterfly is equivalent to u light a candle

[orchid jolt]

Chesca, I'm sorry to have to tell you this, but they're dead...

[icy spruce]

I’M SORRY, BUT I CAN’T HEAR YOU BBECAUSS I AM PATTING MY BELOVED WHURTLE WHAT WAS THAT?

[hushed steeple]

I still have Archive contains DNA theory, we can bring em back.....right?........r-right?

[orchid jolt]

No I mean instead of having a dark Crystal in the door, they have two butterflies in the door

[hushed steeple]

While we are at it, cloud deer, beetle slug, DOLPHIN BIRD.

[frozen pivot]

have u seen the starlight whurtle, thats a juvenile sized one yet its still huge, those graveyard whurtles are a sight to behold and id love for tgc to show them alive

[orchid jolt]

Do light creature even have DNA? And asides from mantas what other creature are present in vault? And didn't someone say that it's confirmed that vault isn't real?

[icy spruce]

It’s not confirmed that Vault is not real, that’s just a theory

[frozen pivot]

diamond and dark crystals are different things, dark crystals wouldnt distribute light into mechanisms, itll just absorb it and contain it. refined diamonds on the other hand, are made for said function

[hushed steeple]

Light creatures have skeletons. So why not DNA. It had NOT been confirmed vault isnt real. The only thing said is that it becomes a more dreamlike space as you go up. which would make sense if all the memory projectors where suddenly activated

[orchid jolt]

I should probably tell y'all that I can't do the recent seasonal mission cause my game keeps crashing so pls spoiler stuff for the time being. Im sorry for the inconvenience

Oh thx for telling me chesca!

Kitsuu, one minute

[frozen pivot]

too bad, now u know. theres more tho so u have smth to look forward to still

[orchid jolt]

Pls just don't say much, ive already been spoiled by YouTube thumbnails.....

[hushed steeple]

Youtube thumbnails spoiled Morpho knight. I know the pain.

[frozen pivot]

speaking of starlight, a cosmic manta is just flapping around there willy nilly like its not doing something to anyone like me whose confused as to how its flying around there when its not supposed to

[hushed steeple]

It would be heartbreaking if we ever saw a rhythm bird skeleton. Or more cool extinct things. I feel like the memory cubes are such wasted potential. We could have had so many more holograms of cool things shown off.

[orchid jolt]

I'm talking about these. I don't care that much about the difference between dark crystals and diamonds at the moment. I'm more focused on them literally using live light creatures for doors. I think I agree with the sky prince on the choice between forcing light creature through this or to use darkness in your technology

[hushed steeple]

I always assumed those where engraved butterflies. But tiny spinning butterflies that only get happyness when you summon more of them is funny too.

[orchid jolt]

They glow

[hushed steeple]

So does diamond tech. Glows yellow.

[orchid jolt]

Space between the butterflies and the wall @hushed steeple

[frozen pivot]

ah those. the fact that it does wat normal diamonds do makes it not dark crystal. difference is they glow orange rather than blue which imo suggests that its an early version of diamonds

[frozen pivot]

or its not diamonds at all, but good ol' sky magic that just works

[orchid jolt]

Look, I know the difference between raw dark crystals and refined dark diamonds but that's not what I'm focusing on right now okay

[hushed steeple]

I can’t believe its not butterfly

[orchid jolt]

They are flipping imprisoned butterflies. How come you guys are so quick to accept the Manta blender being canon in the current sky iteration but not this door having imprisoned butterflies in a similar manner to what some people do in the real world? ...of course in the real world the butterflies are dead but still you get the point.

[hushed steeple]

Im getting iffier on manta blening too. It could be imprisoned eternal butterflies somehow frozen there that somehow know something butterfly related is being done. Sky magic is iffy like that. Honestly it prolly is the same model for the actual butterflies. Eh. Why not.

[orchid jolt]

Also, do y'all see me as like one of the main lore people? Cause I don't know if it's just me but I've noticed that some people seem to be more like main lore peeps. It's a weird question so feel free to not respond to this

[frozen pivot]

if they were there like lava lamps, how come they dont glow even if u dont interact with them, if anything, it could be mural paint thats set to glow and appear once a condition is met. and if they were butterflies inside, how come the door isnt constantly active

[hushed steeple]

Your here enough to be one of the names I know as lore people. Not that I would be able to make a list or anything, off the top of my head.

[orchid jolt]

Yay! Ego boost! Time to be like the admiring actor. Please keep applauding!

Edit: Why don't my mirrors work?

[frozen pivot]

mural paint can be activated to appear, much like the ark murals and the murals in the tunnel under the forest entrance docks

[orchid jolt]

Ok fair point, but how come it activates? Aren't the crystals for storing light and what else stores light? light creatures

But seriously why aren't my mirrors working? AHHHH why are there chains around my body?! Who is this small green child??????

a person from afar has come to admire me. I am the handsomest most best dressed person on this island.

Okay I'll stop being extremely stupid now

[frozen pivot]

light creatures dont store light, it is light. if its depleted of light it dies, and if its incased in a diamond set to activate with light, why dont the mechanism stays active. how come it activates- ive already answered, its similar principle to when ur lighting a candle to activate a door

well in comparison to "light creatures", butterflies may appear alive but theyre more of wisps of lights rather than creatures

[orchid jolt]

Ok, I see your point, and now I shall say this: it's kinda odd tho so I'll keep the butterfly thing in mind but for now I'll agree with you I guess.

[frozen pivot]

u dont have to agree with me lol, its just one of my crackpot anecdotes

[orchid jolt]

Alright I gtg now. By by.
Edit: sry I'm to lazy to correct my spelling on my username, what makes you think I would do it for the word "bye"?

[frozen pivot]

even i would change that idea when presented another one that makes more sense to wat i believe in now

[orchid jolt]

Ok. Brain kinda not functioning enough for the whole agree to disagree thing at the moment.

In the word's of a great song, "I need a nap!"

https://youtu.be/qLJsWPIKbFo

[crude olive]

what happens when skykids grow up

[upbeat rampart]

Possibly only a glitch, doesn't work in skycam in game but I wonder if power diamonds (used to open doors) were originally an isle thing or vault. I always thought vault members made the power diamonds and distributed some to other reams but maybe not (they seem to represent the power diamond)

[twin dew]

Does anyone know what this may be?
Its located under the map (clip through the floor) under pnr
I couldnt get to it because I didnt have enough wing power but I was just curious

[median stone]

Just some extra lighting for that Eden Beam

[rigid mural]

About eternal butterflies, the trailer (and prairie cutscene) shows ancestors and elders can create butterflies from light. Trailer also shows the child being able to manipulate the light, suffice to say the butterflies may be very simple light constructs.

[rigid mural]

About the machinery in forest temple, if we ignore that particular concept art and only look at canon, we see on the doors of that building that they sent something from prairie by boat and got something from the forest trees (if they didn't just cut them for fuel) to make dark crystals.
We also know "light miners" are a thing so this mined light might enter the composition as well.

Interesting to note: both the crystals representing the thing in the jars from prairie and the thing inside the trees that was extracted in forest match in color with the elemental powers that were given to the elders of these respective realms; yellow for prairie and the power of Earth (which we see the elder using to summon the wildlife on the final wall painting in Prophecy) and blue for forest and the power of Water (which we see the elder using to summon the rain, also in that painting). Maybe the trees are simply catalysts of something that was permeating the soil.

We'd have to count the number of dark crystal mechanisms per realm but a theory of mine is that forest and wastes are so out of whack with their elemental power (too much water-powered rain flooding the area & fire-powered fort that ended up falling) because of the amount of dark crystals that were used here; I think even Valley uses only uses them for the Village of Dream lift, the rest is powered by the element of air (see the teal colors, even that lift looks partially powered by it if we trust the colors).

[balmy dock]

it's really sad that the spirits are dead... :"O

[orchid jolt]

They become MOTHMEN

[terse flume]

This is just a random theory on how to beat a krill. I remember reading a theory about how there could have been a war on Krills in the past. Something that sticks out about Krills are their eyes. Throwing projectiles at their eyes would eliminate their sight thus they could not spot you. This is why the elder from the Golden Wasteland has a spear (I think they do?). Plus outside of the Battlefield there are skeletons of potentially Krills. So it is possible to Kill a Krill. Perhaps this is also why theres a catapult. I think holding a spear would be too heavy for a Sky Kid. I'm not really good at grammar, spelling or punctuation so I hope that made sense it sounded better in my head. 😅

[flat mist]

when is the next ts

[regal phoenix]

( lil you may wanna ask question but I don't think we know #questions-and-help ) I wonder if skids have a part of the diamond power hense why they're able to use telekinese and levitation ( assuming you needed a diamond to use those )

[hushed steeple]

So here I am, I know nothing of the lore except from the things I've seen in the game but I'm really curious and I would like to learn everything about it, is there something i should check besides in-game scenes?

[regal phoenix]

ik people have made multiple docs for basic sky lore but idk where they are jierorewweijw perhaps you could scroll around this chat if you're fine with that

[balmy dock]

M O T H
M O T H.

(reference to YMCA LOL)

[regal phoenix]

oh and biro one more heads up alot of things in sky lore are mainly up to interpretation tho there is some canon lore

[rigid mural]

Pinned messages

[regal phoenix]

ohh I forgot they were pinned thanks for helping biro it09rwewewek

[icy spruce]

psst, hey kid. want some lore docs? (tips fedora)

[orchid jolt]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mothman

[icy spruce]

Also, aren’t skids already Mothmankids cause they don’t have a mouth-

[regal phoenix]

psst. lore dealer do you have anything on this

[orchid jolt]

uhhh, some moths do have mouths

[icy spruce]

I know

[orchid jolt]

sooooo, what did you mean by:
"Also, aren’t skids already Mothmankids cause they don’t have a mouth-"

[hushed steeple]

Do I have to buy a fedora to know more

[icy spruce]

I mean, if u want but no

Anyways

Lore Moff Doc (credits to Bricky)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18B1-SKG3toG0oH0VhOWC5o-cG9u0STAN92QvmbhTDto/edit?usp=sharing

The Canon Lore Doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10ZWJRGiJSrIXgDvJ4pST61moZbVB_hBExUjOaF-pmOE/edit?usp=sharing

The Theory Vault
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-SOY_5WrhQ2ftVZEM9VMBsz92-n_53kBzQoHKmY2-24/edit?usp=sharing

Sky Leitmotifs
https://docs.google.com/document/d/19p_7mI1bI4fxKBk5ogVJCTsU7hzLJejqBgQTSJDAjuo/edit?usp=sharing

[hushed steeple]

Oh thanks a lot

Even if I didn't understood the fedora thing lol

[regal phoenix]

have a free photo of this thing biro ( possible relative to the krill species )

[warm eagle]

I think into one of the recent YouTube Q&A’s, they confirmed it was an uncorrupted dragon

[regal phoenix]

ohh i c

[quiet sierra]

Hello! I was told to ask here if I wanted the Lore 101 so here i am

[rigid mural]

Scroll up a bit, someone else asked ^^

Hmmm wierd how the entrance of the first krill room in gw has statues right next to pipes, wonder if the war happened before the downfall by dark stone hence why the ruins of the old fort could have been repurposed as a factory of some sorts.
On another note, all the elder statues in the topmost level of Vault have a diamond on their head except Forest and Valley, although it may be a stylistic choice and the hole in the middle counts as one on the latter's case.

[quiet sierra]

Ahfjaks i see now its right there. Sorry I didnt look!

[orchid jolt]

pretty sure they confirmed that krill are corrupted but what they where before remains to be seen. The whole remains to be seen was from them

and i am SOOOOO salty at them for that. I was hoping it was about the balance of light and dark, not just "dARk baD1!!1!!!11!111"

i had evidence to...

[snow loom]

Same here

[orchid jolt]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[snow loom]

It’s a really neat concept

[icy spruce]

Sammee, I wanted darkness to be natural since they existed during Prophecy (I thought that krills were corrupted cause of diamonds) but then boom. Corruption

[snow loom]

It’s hard to tell if it was debated being used based on concept art, especially since I don’t think anyone has ever bothered to sort and compile it, makes it really hard to find stuff

[orchid jolt]

gonna be the whole "THE kRILL wERE oNLy PrOPhESISED!!!11 thEY dIDNT ExiSt tHEn!!1!111"

[regal phoenix]

didn't we see dark creatures in the switch launch promo trailer tho?

[orchid jolt]

the crabs? sorta, they didnt have to be dark creatures. And its possible the prince had already came and darkstone was being used causing dark creatures to appear

[regal phoenix]

I see ( so it could be like the original few dark creatures )

[snow loom]

Probably

[orchid jolt]

non dark crabs exist in sky btw

[regal phoenix]

[unborn gyro]

i thought it was a hexwing manta

[regal phoenix]

I think their heads are mainly different? ( mantas have flat heads whilst the uncorrupted krill have a roundish? head and a horse like mouth )

[snow loom]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/797408687130935306/797413119047499776/image0.gif [epic embed fail]

[orchid jolt]

sanctuary islands (a specific small island has them) and office

[regal phoenix]

do you have a picture of them?

[snow loom]

This has nothing to do with this convo I just wanna show them off

[orchid jolt]

cute

[snow loom]

I wish they used more of the old dark creature designs in general

[regal phoenix]

i'm scared

[rustic granite]

@unreal parcel what you think about new little princess season story

[rigid mural]

Hey wait wait wait
So we agree that the stars that fell are the elders since devs said so, right ? Lemme pull up the intro again.

But darkness came, and the stars fell.
Together, the fallen stars made a new home in the clouds.```
This means the elders were united and giving light to the ancestors in the past, and the darkness-caused fall likely weakened them enough for a noticeable decrease in light (which may already equal energy ?).
They also likely built the kingdom together.

```If only they had listened...```
Implying they either had a way to ascend back to the skies but chose to stay with the ancestors, or that by building the kingdom, they bought them more misfortune than they could handle.

```A long time has passed. Now, I call to you.
Wake up, child. Bring our lost stars home.```
And we're here, tasked to bring the light back to them. Perhaps it awakens them with enough energy to reach Orbit ?
No idea who the narrator could be though. I like to think of megabird as a personification of the world and its cycles, so my theory is that it's the Isle Elder doing his psychopomp/ferryman job.

[orchid jolt]

read through the crab part this link brings you to
Edit: Link: https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/Creatures#Dark_Crabs

[orchid jolt]

Here is a screenshot of the whole crab section.

[orchid jolt]

they actually removed an oob that served as a reference to one of them

[regal phoenix]

i c

[icy spruce]

Mmmm, leeches

[orchid jolt]

https://youtu.be/nes3Jlt-vGg?t=87
I couldnt find a better vid of it

[icy spruce]

Dang, 2019

[orchid jolt]

Found a better vid!
https://youtu.be/GLurZwLVg-Y

[snow loom]

Kinda sad they remove stuff like this

[peak onyx]

Hi guys, it's a pleasure to greet you. Excuse me, do you know what happened in Isla? I understand that we were summoned; But exactly did they create us or did we already receive a message to revive the spirits?

[rigid mural]

Hey ! Most of the lore is up to interpretation as per the wish of the devs, so there's as many interpretations as there are story enthusiasts.

It's unclear whether you play a skykid on their very first life or not (on the latter case it goes without saying they know why they're here). The identity of the narrator is also unclear so we cannot tell if they have the power to create skykids.

A lot of people here believe the narrator is an entity nicknamed megabird (whose patterns can be seen throughout the game and in the secret vault area) which is sometimes seen as a god and sometimes seen as a force. If you want to read more, there's a few pinned messages that might help !

[peak onyx]

Thank you very much for the detail of the information; And as you say it is true, open many interpretations of how the story unfolds and where this narrator is mentioned.
I have one last question, is there someone or a page where I can see the scenes where they show what the story would be? (Just in case I'm doing a story based on what we have on hand and have provided Sky)

[rigid mural]

There's a doc with canon sky lore we know of through the game and what devs said if that's what you're looking for !
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10ZWJRGiJSrIXgDvJ4pST61moZbVB_hBExUjOaF-pmOE/edit?usp=drivesdk

[peak onyx]

Thanks, I'll check right now

[lapis notch]

I wish to ask, if this wasn’t touched upon: would you consider the Starlight Desert an illusion made by the Vault of Knowledge?

[peak onyx]

I would say that there was a connection with that world; If you remembered that when at the end of Boveda a door appears that returns you to Home, it would suppose that there was a hidden door at the beginning which would no longer have use and they would leave it deactivated.
It's just my theory

[onyx blaze]

the tagline to starlight desert is "when dreamlike worlds collide" so i think it's a separate thing that just cozied up to a hole in the wall of dream vault, rather than something made by the vault

[lethal stump]

imo it means to me that starlight desert isnt necessarily real. that its more of a dream/hallucination, kind of similar to how the upper levels of vault dont entirely "exist"

[orchid jolt]

personally, I think its quite clever how they use the phrase, "Where dreamlike worlds collide" because it could mean that the two separate worlds are meeting and forming the starlight desert. They had no impact on each other's past while still having canonically existed. btw, this is just what I think.

[snow loom]

Would it be ok if I ask a question while I’m here?

[icy spruce]

Ye of course

[snow loom]

I know this is no longer relevant to lore, but I’m trying to figure out what animals the elders were in earlier concepts, like how Isle was a vulture, and forest was a lynx/Kumiho

[rigid mural]

I know there's a kind of bull somewhere, along with a whale.

[snow loom]

Teth’s friend : )

[thin glade]

hey lorechat, does anybody have the google doc link with the known lore?

[snow loom]

Here

[rigid mural]

Oh my god... Teth's friend
Can the forest elder have a whale friend too or do they have jellyfish instead

[snow loom]

They took away their friend 💔

[snow loom]

I think the elders should have friends in general

[icy spruce]

Yes

[rigid mural]

We are their friends.

[distant turtle]

I'm Isle Elder's friend. Also I just noticed these hardy mountain flowers. I like these!

[snow loom]

I’m gonna ask here for clarification, we play in the new home the elders play right?

Not somewhere else entirely

[distant turtle]

Yes, I think the Sky World is some kind of a lower ethereal realm, and that the Elders originate from an Orbit or Megabird level realm

[snow loom]

Also what exactly would we call the status of the elders ingame?

[distant turtle]

Have you ever seen that pre-release Eden crystal area?

[snow loom]

Yeah

[lofty void]

in limbo

[distant turtle]

Based on this scene, I think the Elders’ bodies were destroyed

[snow loom]

So like a physical death but spiritual limbo?

[distant turtle]

What I know is we help them by helping the spirits in their domains

[orchid jolt]

wellllll, thats beta so its not neccissarily canon

[distant turtle]

I understand, but the Elders aren’t around physically, and the Prophecy paintings suggest they once were.

[snow loom]

Yeah, I’ve completed every constellation, basically, what I’m trying to say is they aren’t on this plane of existence anymore or something along those lines right?

[lofty void]

They’re in limbo

[orchid jolt]

yes, but i just think its important to say the thing with beta not being canon. Also it could always be that their bodies are in limbo with their minds or whatever

[distant turtle]

I understand, but I did mention that it’s from pre-release, and speculation is encouraged by the pins

[snow loom]

Basically I said they were dead because they aren’t physically around anymore, and it doesn’t seem like the end of your physical body means it’s the end of you. And then the friend said they aren’t dead because we interact with them

Like sure if they’re physical bodies were fine they’d leave their little space time gay pocket dimension things and show up outside of orbit

[distant turtle]

We can rephrase that another way. The way the story is presented, it seems the spirits are dead, as in, just ghosts, no longer with a cohesive mind that remembers the day before and experiences each day

The Elders, on the other hand, seem to be just waiting. They still have a mind. The spirits come back and awaken when we rescue them, which in turn restores the Elders in a different way.

[orchid jolt]

oh i just saw the whole based on this scene text woops sry lol didnt realize you mentioned it was beta

[snow loom]

I’d have to agree

[orchid jolt]

now i see it lol
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[orchid jolt]

ok, but i have a slight argument against that

upgraded emotes. especially the play dead spirit

and how they appear with you in the temple for the first time. dont they like wave or something?

[distant turtle]

I feel that as soon as we relive a spirit memory, it awakens the spirit from their unconscious limbo. Then, we meditate with their Elders, which releases the spirit to ascend to Orbit.

When we hold the candle up and the dark shell shatters that’s awakening them

[hushed steeple]

WHAAAAAT ???! I've never seen that !!! why does this scene no longer exist?

[distant turtle]

I hope there’s an Eden reveal some day

[distant turtle]

It’s a snap from a video too

You don’t get to see much more than the image unfortunately

[hushed steeple]

Can you share it with me please? ^^

[distant turtle]

I tried to find it before

[hushed steeple]

Oh nooooo

is sky light eden waiting for you?

[distant turtle]

I don’t really know but think it was an OOB of the playable Eden at that time. But it resembles the red Eden crystal and looks like it’s showing the moment the crystal broke???

[hushed steeple]

Yes that's it ! I also see that it is the moment when the crystal breaks ^^ and the elders try to stop the massacre

[half shadow]

I so hope the only reason it’s been removed is to make way for a future reveal of some sort

[snow loom]

Also I wanna check, but it’s generally accepted that the stars falling during the intros are the elders right?

[half shadow]

Yes, that’s confirmed canon! And there’s one star that remains up in the clouds, speculated to be the Eden elder

[snow loom]

Thanks, friend was saying they thought they were the spirits and I don’t feel like having that debate

[half shadow]

Have you gotten links to the lore docs yet? They’re super helpful as a moth

[hushed steeple]

I wonder why this scene was abandoned

[snow loom]

I’ll probably grab em

[half shadow]

They’re in pins!

[distant turtle]

Yes me too!

[distant turtle]

Back at that time, I think the corrupted king was also in the game. I think I read that the decision to make the story more vague was partly to enhance replay value. If the lore reveal has too much finality, it feels like the game is over.

[half shadow]

I should submit an emote of a moth wearing a tinfoil hat for Conspiracy Theorizing Times

[snow loom]

I mean I guess that’s true, but it also lessens gratification and rewarding the player

[hushed steeple]

then all is not lost? why not reveal everything for the end of Sky, a final season?

what interests me is knowing the real story and not the theories

[snow loom]

Plus that just seems like a kinda stupid conclusion to come to, games like hollow knight and undertale have proper endings, but there’s still lore to be discovered and I’d argue both games are plenty replayable

Plus the ascension system makes it more replayable anyways

[hushed steeple]

I totally agree with you !! especially since sky adds new stories every 3 months ...

[snow loom]

It doesn’t feel interesting, as somebody who’s unlocked every constellation, I’ve probably spent at least a year candle grinding daily.

[hushed steeple]

we want to know the real story of sky help xD

[snow loom]

Unless you count having all of the elder hair, there’s no reward for me having done so. There’s no cutscene unlock, no change in the gameplay, not even an interesting item/area unlocked

[lethal stump]

there is no true story, its up to the player to interpret it

[snow loom]

That only works up to a point eventually it just feels like there is none, or nothing worthwhile

[hushed steeple]

there has always been a true story behind ...
the game was made as such to let us interpret it as you say yes, but there is a lot of things that we do not know, that remains unclear

[half shadow]

The AC keep me coming back. Also, I really enjoy running through Eden up to the end because I like to collect an army of moths doing it for the first time and help guide them through the ending like I was guided by a veteran player for my first time through. That’s always really fun and rewarding for me, I like helping people and I think it makes the ending even better to have friends along with you

[lethal stump]

that stuff that remains unclear is unclear for a reason. the lore is vague and iffy because its meant to be flexible for people to interpret and make up their own story

[hushed steeple]

yes thank you I understood xD there are many choices still to be discovered in the future

[half shadow]

My first time through it was me, another moth I friended, and our veteran guide who held our hands and also encouraged us to try things out on our own. They communicated with emotes a lot and would do the deep breath and kiss emote whenever we got stuck, and in the end when were dying they kept doing the kiss over and over to let us know it was okay, which sure as hell made me cry so now I like to do the same for other players obviously running it for the first time

[lethal stump]

but we'll never know the true story, tgc has made that clear to us

[hushed steeple]

well I cross my fingers, I will not give up ^^

[snow loom]

True, it’s probably why I like wasteland so much, on the rare occasion I do find a moth it’s a lot of fun trying to prevent them from dying and running to grab all of their lost stars, someone once did the same for me when I was new. But I usually don’t see too many moths,

[half shadow]

While I do understand it’s not for everybody, I personally think the current ending is really nice and repeatable, especially once you get ascended candles and spirits/elders unlocked. However I do have a slight theory that as Sky progresses with more seasons and content, the “true story” will become a bit more clear, and possibly we might even finalize a “true ending” somewhere down the line. Because the repeatable actions in Eden and the continued rebirthing of the sky kids makes me wonder if it’s some way of getting stronger and stronger in order to possibly face off against something in the future, potentially something along the lines of the Beta Eden video where we eventually are able to go to the very epicenter

[hushed steeple]

i love your vision

[snow loom]

It’s not that I think the current ending is bad, but more or less it still lacks that final reward for players who have done everything the game wanted to do (ascend spirits etc) there’s nothing new for them.

[hushed steeple]

it is true that there is no ultimate reward when we have finished everything, I am also in this case

[lethal stump]

when you complete the base game you get the gift of FOMO to keep you playing

edit: Fear Of Missing Out

[half shadow]

whats great about Sky to me is that the future promises more content, which could lead to more story, and possibly a better understanding and appreciation of the world. Though it’s pretty clear that TGC isn’t going to rush that, which is both nice as I tend to get super hyperfocused on analyzing every bit of lore in media I love and stress out a bit over it, but also a little frustrating because there’s clearly a long while to go before the possibility of more answers. I do understand your point though - I’m only just starting Sky in the Little Prince season, so obviously I don’t have everything unlocked and therefore still have more rewards to work for, so I don’t have that same mindset but understand how that could be frustrating.

[hushed steeple]

What ?

[half shadow]

FOMO = Fear Of Missing Out

[hushed steeple]

Oh ok 😮

[snow loom]

And I just think it’s weird, because you can have vague endings. I’m using hollow knight as an example here (again) When you reach an ending you get a cutscene, and I’d argue each ending is rewarding, while still vague and leaving a lot unanswered, like the fate of the world and many of the other characters, sometimes it’s not even entirely clear how something happened, but yet they’re still all interesting

It feels like tgc is avoiding an ending in any capacity, which really hurts the player base, especially if your someone like me who finished the constellations over a year

[distant turtle]

I wish I could pull up the exact quote!

[nimble ingot]

Agreed
So far I know about the beta, based on YouTube videos players like Tara posted, there did seem that there was work done to an ending, as the realms were more and more fleshed out. But right before the global release, the game's lore and ending was changed.

Lorewise, the lack of an ending may suggest that the skykids are trapped along with the elders and spirits in at certain times, such as a time loop. That is at least what I am starting to build up a case for in a theory.

[distant turtle]

I like that aspect that the way the game is now, we can fit it into so many different interpretations! Like, Buddhist, Kabbalah, maybe Zoroastrian, time loop, or even all just a dream…

[hushed steeple]

Aaaah so many mysteries

[nimble ingot]

or like undertale lol.
King is gaster.
Asgore is the storm itself
Sans is probably chatbot
Skykids are the player (both frisk and chara)
And the whole world is stuck in a cycle of living, collecting souls, dying and respawning (rebirth) each time.

I know it is not an exact comparison, but it is fun to entertain, as you said, there is so many different interpretations!

(seriously htough, you are on teh right track with buddhishism, I am with you on that)

[hushed steeple]

I have to look into Buddhism! What is there compared to Sky? Can you tell me about it? ^^

https://www.reddit.com/r/SkyGame/comments/g64hwm/the_design_of_sky_use_a_lot_of_tibetan_culture/ I found that ^^

[snow loom]

Yeah, but if it is an endless cycle why put an emphasis on completing the constellations and ascending spirits and the elders

[rancid cloud]

because sky kid can have a beard?

I know I wouldn't be replaying it as much if there wasn't more rewards

[snow loom]

Not even the cosmetic aspect, but why would we have to ascend anything of this was all going to continue looping forever, surely they’d use a different word instead of ascending then right?

And yeah no I wouldn’t have been replaying it for as long as I did if I wasn’t hoping for some form of reward for my completion

[half shadow]

Pure speculation here: Some people noticed that with the new season update in #news, there weren’t very many spirits, leading to some hoping/predicting that the next season might be more content/story based than on collecting everything for every spirit. I think that tracks pretty well for what to expect from TGC now that they’ve opened up to a MUCH larger playerbase with the inclusion of the Switch port; logically, you’d assume they might begin to work towards content able to satisfy a growing playerbase. Whatever is to come, I trust them to put something enjoyable out for lots of folks.

[snow loom]

Yeah, by now seasons have started to feel more like filler rather than something to look forward to, though I still hope that changes

[hushed steeple]

You're right ! When they made 4 spirits for the season of prophecy and the season of dreams, it was stories well pushed ^^

[snow loom]

Yeah, the season of prophecy is probably my favorite season as of late

[half shadow]

I’m personally really curious about the next season, spent a while analyzing the picture of the spirits to try and discern some kind of possible theme to them. I thought it was neat that it seems that 3/5 aren’t wearing specific capes or cape like items

[hushed steeple]

Fish you are a new player since the season of the little prince and yet I find that you are already very well informed and really into the game! I think it's cool ^^

[half shadow]

Maybe we’ll learn a bit more about the society of Sky in how people potentially make/earn their capes? That’d be pretty neat I think. And thank you Caellyn! Ive been in a tough spot health wise for the last few months and my brain’s latched onto Sky as something simple and enjoyable to help keep me sane lol

[hushed steeple]

I am wholeheartedly with you

[half shadow]

ADHD/Autism can be a blessing in the specific instances where I get to be a lore nut about a game I enjoy, my brain goes into FULL SPEED AHEAD HYPERDRIVE mode

[snow loom]

One of us

[hushed steeple]

long live Sky !!

[orchid jolt]

hey guys, the emoji for skybot in the poll is of a sky kid with the isle metal mask thing on a computer. sorta like dev cape kid lol. even a blue background for the cape! one problem tho, it looks like the emoji has prairie elder's hair... which dev caped sky kid doesnt have...

This is the emoji

I was THIS close to having great evidence perfect for my crackpot theory..... the evidence wouldve been dumb enough to fit right in with the rest of the theory.....

[half shadow]

Yeah that’s def Praire’s hair

[orchid jolt]

and dev caped sky kid uses the non-spiky valley elder hair....

If only it was this instead of this ....

also, most of the emojis for this server are sky themed, so what's up with this one ?

[pseudo venture]

thats a season of gratitude mask isnt it

[orchid jolt]

yep...cant believe i forgot

[nimble ingot]

Comparing parts of Buddhism to parts of sky are as follows.
Take not this is a superficial understanding of Buddhism, (as in, I do not have a lot of knowledge about Buddhism, though have done light research about it).

While there are interesting facts about Buddhism that also relates to Sky, the game may differ from the religion.

The Buddha focus on gaining wisdom either through overcoming difficult challenges, or meditation (see the trials in season of prophecy).
There are different interpretations within Buddhism, which makes it an open, tolerant and evolving religion (which is similar to the lore of Sky).
One can interpret Buddhism to be more of a way of life, or a spiritual tradition, that differs from other religions (such as Sky's different approach with game design)
Buddhism encourages a selfless lifestyle without avoiding self-indulgence (similar to skykids sacrificing their lives in Eden).
Karma is part of Buddhism (that could be similar to how skykids can light each other's stars and trade hearts to unlock cosmetics).
Karma also applies to the law of cause and effect, and reincarnation (as in rebirth in both Buddhism and Sky).
About the rebirth cycle, the Buddhist texts mentioned six realms (though the realms in Buddhism may not relate to the realms in Sky).
source used: https://www.history.com/topics/religion/buddhism

In Buddhism, there is what is called The Four Noble Truths.
The truth of suffering
The truth of the origin of suffering
The truth of the end of suffering
The truth of the path to the end of suffering.
source used:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/znxpr82/revision/2#:~:text=Most Buddhists believe that the,stop Buddhists from reaching enlightenment .

Wiki page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism

I may do a visual comparison to elements of the game.
Though will leave this here if anyone wants to use this as a starting point, or add to their own notes.

[hushed steeple]

WOW thank youuuu !!!!

[thorny garden]

Why hello everyone.
What is going on?

[thorny garden]

Oh

[orchid jolt]

oh and Raider is actually discussing serious lore stuff

[nimble ingot]

Personally, it may be helping spirits ascend.
Not just saving them (helping them or orbit), or just collecting winged light to give to the fallen (skykid statues or the sacrificed ancestor children).

While returning to the world to be reborn, you pass spirits you helped and they give you winged light.
This helps you fly further and take more hits.
Perhaps, once all the spirits are ascended, the game can move forward.

[thorny garden]

O-

[orchid jolt]

of course this would likely include seasonal/travelling spirits lol

who knows, by the time we have enough to make it to crystal in eden to save the prince/king we may be able to also save the 5 lost souls on the edge of sacrifice!

(referring to the 5 statues right before the hallway filled with wls. 2 covered in blue crystals and 3 that can shatter when you approach them)

[half shadow]

this is extremely cool!

Another bit to add into this discussion: Since the King/prince is reportedly “not around to be saved”, perhaps we have to travel through Orbit further to access where he is, which can only be done after having gone through the ascension cycle a certain amount of times in order to be strong enough for the journey?

Maybe one day we will have a season revolving around opening a path to wherever the King has gone

[orchid jolt]

and by then, we may be able to save the 5 lost souls! Heck, maybe even the catapult spirit!

[half shadow]

I find it so fascinating in the opening sequence that shows the Elder’s stars falling, there’s one left behind. Since fanon supplies that this elder is the missing Eden elder, could the King actually be more related to the Elders rather than the Ancestors? I know the Elders are there own sort of being but the status on what the king is classified as is intriguing.

[nimble ingot]

ok, comparing the real life cultures with an interpretation of sky's culture, visually.

This will refer to past comments of other theorists, and articles other people have analysed.

The bells in the game are used to call skykids to gather or make their way to where it is rung. These remind skykids what their goals are, conditioning them to follow the call that the portal in orbit also emits. As far as I can tell, that portal has no bell, but the portal is one of the few portals that has a painted design that represents the megabird. (I'll link an image that shows the portal's design as I have not been able to get a clear screen shot of it.

A vase in Buddhism represents wealth.
A vessel represent the body in Buddhism. Which can refer to how the skykid has a physical body as a vessel, the spirit as the skykid's blue sprite that appears after death in eden and mind that leaves the winged light the skykid gathered and return to the fallen.
[That analysis may give grounds for a theory of winged light could be pieces of the King's mind as fragments or memories!] ❗

Buddhists would refer to a Dharma in their teachings.
A Dharma has multiple meanings that include, the laws of life, a person's bond to fulfil or a cosmic order.
Supposedly, a Dharma for a skykid would likely be to complete each realm, save spirits of ancestors, return light to the fallen in eden, and to keep doing it until they are strong enough to face their ultimate challenge.
What this challenge maybe, is open to interpretation.

A boat is a means of transport from one place to another, crossing a threshold. In Sky, this may imply that the boats are a transport from reality to cross over to a dream like world (or the world of fantasy/imagination). With the boats are able to fly and tread water, it would emphasise that idea.

Lastly, funfact: The elder's old names have meanings that still relate to them, despite being non-canon.

[rustic granite]

@unreal parcel little princess is the sadest season so far

[icy spruce]

What’s the topic

[rigid mural]

YES I found an explanation of all the names on tumblr ! Do you want me to dig for it ?

[icy spruce]

HELLO I HEAR CONCEPT NAMES

[rigid mural]

https://sky-lore.tumblr.com/post/652916304774397952/so-i-saw-a-post-about-you-being-hebrew-and-have

[nimble ingot]

The old names are NOT canon (note to lore moths: they were once, but not anymore)
These are names of symbols, so analysing these is like taping water from rocks, though do give some titbits to fill in gaps, so take this with a grain of salt.

Dalet- (currently, elder of Isle of Dawn)
Symbolising the number 4, (a possible coincident with the season of prophecy), represents the name (of God). Which is a non-sacred way of referring to god. ( I suppose that explains some of his design choices reminding me of the king's mural as a ferryman, still thinking that theory over).

Ayin- (currently, elder of Daylight Prairie)
Derived from the oval shape, that represents an eye.
[I am just skimming over wiki pages, I couldn't find in depth facts for each elder )

Teth- (currently, elder of Hidden Forest)
The symbols resembles a spinning wheel, which may have curious overlapping details with the Buddhist wheel, though the letter may mean 'good' in Jewish scripture.

Samekh- (currently, elder of Valley of Triumph, with Sam and Mekh respectively refeirng to the spiky hair elder and the round hair elder.)
Though a symbol with complications (see wiki about it), the symbol has a closed rounded shape, that could represent 'support'.

Tsadi (or Tsade in wiki)- (currently, elder of Golden Wasteland)
with unclear origins, the symbol may derive from a fish hook, which may mean 'to hunt'
(With the elder being a warrior, it may refer to its battle born characteristic)

Lamed- (currently, elder of Vault of knowledge)
Usually considered to represent a staff, such as that of a bishop or apostle, and carried by high ranking members.
The symbols as a prefix could refer to speaking.

(there is two more, I hit the word limit, lol)

[lofty void]

I JUST READ THE TUMBLR POST AND THE THING FOR SAMEKH HHSGWVSHH

[rigid mural]

IKR

[lofty void]

I DON’T KNOW WHO YOU ARE, PERSON WHO WROTE THAT POST, BUT YOU MUST KNOW THAT I FEEL YOU

[nimble ingot]

(continued)
Aleph- (known as, the Prince)
With the shape of the symbol believed to be derived from Egyptian hieroglyph of an ox's head, though the pronunciation 'aleph' refers to a hieroglyph of a vulture.
There is coincidently a short story called, The Aleph by Jorge Luis Borges.
(feel free to dive deeper in that rabbit hole)

Resh- (known as, elder of Eden, The King)
Similar to Dalet, though with a dot.
As an abbreviation, it may be found after a person's name on a gravestone to indicate they were a Rabbi, a spiritual leader.

Knowing the concept art by TOM ZHAO, one can sort of see where the devs were playing around with ideas to wokr out what the elders are, who they represent and what they look like.
I dont have the time, or word count to explain everything properly, though am sure folks here would know where to look.

[rigid mural]

I missed the convo but my thoughts on the lack of proper ending: it's frustrating but what keeps me around tbh. Like, maybe before the devs decide to let the game fizzle out, they could do a final season tying up the loose ends.

[nimble ingot]

link to the portal in orbit being based on the design of this portal on the far left.

[hushed steeple]

I read the Tumblr link about the concept names and im definitely keeping what it said in mind it was really cool-

[wind bone]

The devs themselves said the names were never canon and were just placeholders

[nimble ingot]

If it was the tumblr post, it was Whitebookposts, I think
https://whitebookposts.tumblr.com/post/652622125170081792/so-i-saw-a-post-about-you-being-hebrew-and-have

(I am done, sorry for the text walls, lol)

[rigid mural]

Isn't that the point though ? If the placeholder is "bird grandpa", you know the character has old man vibes and has something birdlike.

[rigid mural]

But yeah, on the convo I missed, you can actually spot the elder bodies in here ! They're hard to see but you recognize some.

[half shadow]

New names, totally 100% true and canon ||jk||

• Granpappy
• Big Fella
• The Cooler Vault Elder
• Thing 1 and Thing 2
• Pokemon: Sword and Shield
• The Vault Elder

[vital glade]

I am now calling them “Big Fella”

[icy spruce]

THE COOLER VAULT ELDER

[rigid mural]

||Forest Elder is the mean lesbian of the squad.||

[half shadow]

as is mandatory ||/j||

[lofty totem]

Wait who’s Pokémon sword and shield

[rigid mural]

Golden Wastes Elder.

[half shadow]

the one who has the sword and shield (Wasteland). also goes by “The Cooler Big Fella”

[lofty totem]

Ah ok lmao

[half shadow]

I’m in their group chat so this is all totally true and not a joke yes.

[wind bone]

Not necessarily, the placeholder name could have been stinky mcstinky face just bc the devs found it funny, placeholder just means whatever they want until they have the final product

Like in the current version of sky, the forest elder is a blacksmith, in concept art she wasn’t even a humanoid

[half shadow]

Those animalistic elder designs from the concept art were legit so cool, I wanna follow the artist if they have media

[rigid mural]

Whoever decided they are a blacksmith have a brain the size of a galaxy tbh

[icy spruce]

Buff Teth

[half shadow]

Is it true that the Elders themselves don’t have canonical genders, like pretty much every other spirit in the game, or did I make that up

[wind bone]

Nothing in sky has a gender yes

[half shadow]

This is why it’s objectively the best game thank you

I think the only example of potentially gendered pronouns are used by the Prince and the Rose, who aren’t even apart of the Sky universe, which is something I think is neat. I feel very comfortable here

[plain flume]

Omg i noticed that too!

[half shadow]

Even traveling spirits when announced in the game startup page are referred to as they/them no matter their appearance!

[orchid jolt]

yah, like with the whole thing about days of rainbow, I felt that since they don't have concepts of gender or sexuality, it was more like the spirits learned of the concept from the sky kids (as we are our sky kids and have those concepts) and decided that even if they didn't fully understand it, they would support it.

[half shadow]

Omg was days of rainbow a pride event? I had no idea and I’m SO sad I missed it

[rigid mural]

I heard there was some drama about it and I was SO SAD

[half shadow]

Eh, sucks to suck to those who decide theyve got a problem with it! I hope that the majority of the players were able to celebrate

[rigid mural]

I think some of the devs are lgbt too ? Like I'm sure I saw one of them used She/They pronouns.

[half shadow]

Sky is such a trans friendly game I’d be surprised if there weren’t

[vapid frost]

is there anything about the lore that i can read? like a document or something? i wanna learn more about it

[rigid mural]

There's a doc with canon sky lore we know of through the game and what devs said, is that what you want ?
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10ZWJRGiJSrIXgDvJ4pST61moZbVB_hBExUjOaF-pmOE/edit?usp=drivesdk

[vapid frost]

yes!!! thank u

ahhh lore is so interesting and cool i love it so much!! am i allowed to make a document full of lore i made up for sky?

[rigid mural]

Of course ! The lore is made to be interpreted by all in their own way, I'd be interested to see your theories.

[vapid frost]

interesting, thank u!

[hushed steeple]

Sky lore is jello. Everything is canon to exactly how I say it is in cherrypicked better kamconian sky

[warm depot]

Ok I could geek out on this for days. Let me get my tarot deck (some of the cards are associated with hebrew letters)

[half shadow]

eyyy I do tarot as well! It’d be interesting to try and connect the Elders to the Major Arcana

[opal briar]

Any think we’ll ever get straight awnsers to the lore?

[warm depot]

Yes!! Like for example, Aleph is The Fool, which represents new beginnings and also an impulsive person (which would fit my theory of the Prince being the first child of light, maybe?)
Tzadi is the Emperor, which kind of fits a commander or general

[lethal stump]

another thing: the word tsadik in hebrew means a noble or honourable man, also used to mean a hunter/warrior

[warm depot]

Samekh is on the Temperance card, which (at least in my deck) has a figure of two people fused in one

[rigid mural]

Teth for the magician

[frozen pivot]

frog

[lethal stump]

also for hebrew letter meanings, i highly suggest this site. very in depth for every letter !

hint: if you read them in order of realm it makes SO MUCH SENSE

http://www.walkingkabbalah.com/hebrew-alphabet-letter-meanings/

[orchid jolt]

I think it had something to do with that TGC titled it "Days of Rainbow" or something, some people were mad tgc didnt outright say they supported LGBTQ people, but since some places that don't accept LGBTQ have people who play sky, TGC kinda had to tread on broken shards of glass (they had to be very careful with how they showed support). Others were mad that tgc was supporting LGBTQ rights.

[rigid mural]

I was upset about people saying TGC was forcing political ideologies with days of rainbow, more precisely.

[orchid jolt]

oh we talking bout Judaism now?

[lethal stump]

the hebrew alphabet, more precisely

[orchid jolt]

Still, everyone put on their Yamaka and prepare to read the Torah

Oh, did y'all know that the star of david was originally an alchemic symbol that only became a Jewish symbol cause pretty much everyone else stopped using it? there may be more to the story but thats what I know about that (✡️ this is the star of david)

[rigid mural]

The Days of Rainbow is NOT available in the Chinese version of Sky: instead, the Days of Dragon Boat takes its place.
Huh...

[upbeat rampart]

Yeah, I guess they weren't a fan for LGBT+ much

[orchid jolt]

to be fair, it kinda makes sense

[dry ivy]

Ooh dang we’re talking about the Hebrew names now?? What did I miss?

[rigid mural]

Oh I'm not stupid, I know why. I'm just. Huh.

[orchid jolt]

but....what were the days of dragon like? now im curious. was it just using the dragon visitor from fortune in place of the rainbows?

[warm depot]

This reminds me that I may have seen the alchemical symbol for earth in one of the murals on the forgotten ark

[dry ivy]

Maybe dragons are associated with rainbows? Being divine and all

[rigid mural]

Rice dumpling cape.

[orchid jolt]

OH THAT LOOKS NICE!

[lethal stump]

[coughs] lore

[warm depot]

I missed the whole days of rainbow event because I thought my phone wouldn't run the game, so I waited for the switch launch

[lethal stump]

i missed it cause i was taking a break from sky

[orchid jolt]

it might happen next pride month

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[warm depot]

I actually started playing during Enchantment but I was so lost that I just... Walked around in the shipwreck area for days, wondering how to trigger the event

Then I gave up on Sky until this season.

ANYWAY lore

[orchid jolt]

sort of, but its really the air symbol. it became the earth one when the ship is flipped upside down since the symbols were flipped too, but when right side up its air. I mentioned this previously lol so this may fill you in on that:
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[warm depot]

Ah yes, makes sense. I still don't get the ark's timeline correctly, did the krill attack it?

A friend of mine had a theory that the ark falling and some incident with the spells it was carrying was what caused the first elder mantas to turn into krills

[orchid jolt]

the theory is that the krill attacked it. other lore peeps can help you more on that tho, my job in lore is to make zero sense for one third of the time, tell everyone that @pastel brook is the dev caped sky kid who is also the prince of sky (from concepts, not the petit prince) for another third, and then make actual serious lore stuff and interesting ideas for lore for the final third of the time

[rigid mural]

I think the krill attacked the ark & the paintings on it were done by the spirits so those that find the ruins know who they were and why they are here.

[lofty totem]

Well iy you look at enchantment murals you will see the ark was struck by lightning and I guess the krills was just there ?

[icy spruce]

I also think the same, the krill was just there and they saw the krill so they took a sharp turn and yknow. Crashed

[hushed steeple]

Thats hilarious tragic irony. “Turn around theres a krill!”
“We will be safe this way!”
-gets hit by lightning-

[dull coral]

The storms were caused by the general destruction of the world, which they were trying to flee. So wether or not the krill actually attacked the boat is pointless. Since they crashed on the island, they proceeded to do the same accursed things to the land, using up the water and causing the crabs to get angry

[warm depot]

Maybe they survived the storm, only to get attacked by the krill in the end (after painting the mural to tell their story)

[hushed steeple]

I think Enchantment gang is a group of merchants who where delivering elemental orbs to areas that needed it due to light shortages. But ended up using them on themselves when trying to make the best of their situation by turning their crashsite into a shop

[lofty totem]

That’s what I was thinking to

[dull coral]

Was it season of rythm or season of belonging where everyone left on the boat in the desert at that beach we use to get to the island? Or i am remembering wrong

[rigid mural]

Rhythm is with the performers and belonging with the family members.

[dull coral]

Oh the boat was going to the sky on a creatures back of sorts. Leaving from Triumph valley.

[hushed steeple]

Rythm bird carries the performers off at the ending of rhythm season. Fun fan theory is that the bird is actually the QG for the season itself, since, hes mysteriously missing from the platform.

[rigid mural]

Shape-shifting spirits...

[shrewd trout]

So are ancestor spirits like actual ghost spirits or are they just people

[thin dirge]

Ghosts

[upbeat rampart]

Maybe nothing but the number of candles strikes a bit off--it could have been continuous 3 but why not? (Or I missed it lol idk)

[half shadow]

They might be meant to indicate what is first in the sequence, third, etc

[upbeat rampart]

Wouldn't it have been in an order? 1, 2, 3 and 4 candles would have been suffice
And additionally, they're moving in such a way that it seemed order-like anyways

[half shadow]

Possibly! Or maybe they were just added to look visually more diverse

[upbeat rampart]

I'm really just curious about the number counts, haha
3, 11, 1 and 3 again--number of candles

[harsh pecan]

Idk how to explain what I just thought of so pardon me:

Maybe it represents the light? Because the the mural with a lot of candles had a lot of spirits, so there was a lot of light. But the mural with 1 candle was the one that showed the fall of the Kingdom. shrugs

[upbeat rampart]

That could work, then what about the three in the end? It could have been one instead (because downfall of the kingdom, also it's okay)

Isle (3)+ prairie spirits (8) make 11
isle (3)+ forest (8) also make 11
Prophecy cave (4)+ Valley of triumph (7) makes 11
Golden Wasteland (6) +Vault of Knowledge (5) makes 11

Is it trying to make us show emphasis on specific realms, perhaps?

[harsh pecan]

Maybe the mural with 1 candle was the Kingdom’s lowest point

[harsh pecan]

Wow

[upbeat rampart]

Possibly, would that mean the kingdom was somewhat stabilised to the point it was almost like the old times?

[harsh pecan]

I think? I mean there’s skids with a lot of light populating the Kingdom now

[upbeat rampart]

Possibly, but comparing it to places it once were, it kinda seems unlikely I guess? I mean, golden wasteland and eden exists, Isle is bare mostly, that's my line of thought

But then again Daylight Prairie and Valley of Triumph are kind of lively

[harsh pecan]

Yea

[upbeat rampart]

Why not two though? Since it has experienced setback more than positives in comparison to previous

[harsh pecan]

I can’t think of reasons

[half shadow]

You can see at least in Isle’s case how vastly different it looks compared to it in the past. Screenshot from the Switch launch trailer:

[harsh pecan]

Wow

[upbeat rampart]

Yep, I saw (just the screenshot)

[harsh pecan]

Also, who are those 4 people in the murals?

[half shadow]

Makes you think; if Prairie looks like it does today, compared to this image of Isle’s past; It was probably a lot different looking as well. Even if it is one of the more “intact” zones. Just imagine how vibrant and populated it must have been back then

[upbeat rampart]

I think it could have been the prophecy spirits here (since that makes more sense than others, perhaps)

[shell barn]

Isle doesnt look like it turned to sand because of natural causes

[upbeat rampart]

Why not? It was equally natural in Isle too before
(Okay wait after edit--wdym?)

[shell barn]

Sorry i get confused between isle and praire sometimes

[upbeat rampart]

Hh it's okay, happens perhaps, esp old Isle
Isle does look like it's turned into sand now, I don't think I understand what you're trying to say?

[shell barn]

Well Desert like are formed by weathering processes as large variations in temperature between day and night put strains on the rocks which consequently break in pieces. ... Rocks are smoothed down, and the wind sorts sand into uniform deposits. The grains end up as level sheets of sand or are piled high in billowing sand dunes
But isle doesnt seem to be really have those weather conditions

[fierce ginkgo]

I had an interesting thought. Isle symbolizes birth right? In the past during the time of the skykids’ ancestors, isle was green and blooming. So for our ancestors before the disaster, birth was a time of prosperity and growth as our ancestors began to invent new things and create new mechanisms. Now, isle is barren and sandy. This reflects in our skykid’s birth or awaking. Our skykid’s birth is a time after disaster. They wake up alone, and are immediately tasked with a mission to save the light kids. Isle now compared to the past gives off a bit of a post apocalyptic vibe, which isn’t too far from the truth. Just something I noticed about the narrative and storytelling.

[upbeat rampart]

Ah, I see. Yes, it didn't, but darkness seems to do that