lore-discussion-spoilers

[graceful oasis]

It was a boat, right

[modern cedar]

THOSE ARE CLOCKS? i always thought the forest one was a gravestone

[hushed steeple]

Ah no wonder why it was under the Rainbow

[restive cosmos]

Is the slomo still that bad?

[naive sequoia]

Is this from Battlefield?

Maybe they'll make a game in the same universe and make balance the focal point (like yin and yang)

[hushed steeple]

No

[obtuse scarab]

More than likely inspired by a Peruvian chullo hat, my dude.

[wanton nest]

“So, in keeping with a wholesome but mysterious theme for this next season, where do you think we should get some costume inspiration?”

“Don’t worry about it, dude. I have just the thing.”

[dusk fjord]

@dry ivy the archive heist discussion begins here!

[nimble ingot]

Strange, the one in forest never works for me.
The 'time' on it always stayed the same each time I visit it, even when I check it at different times.
And not once was I able to see a rainbow in forest brook.
Either I kept missing it, or does not appear for some devices

[finite vine]

The clock corresponds to when it actually shows up, not the current time
I also think it only shows up for about 10 minutes at 10am and pm but feel free to correct me

[icy spruce]

[nimble ingot]

The clock never moves when I see it. Even when checking it at different times of the day, the dots are always in the same spot for me.

[icy spruce]

Maybe its a bug cause I saw the rainbow in Forest sometimes

[nimble ingot]

I'll find out when the rainbow appear in my timezone. If it appears, I'll see if the clock works.
In all the time I played the game, I missed seeing it.
Also provided my game does not crash again in there, lol.

[frozen pivot]

frog

[gilded fossil]

/clock is the time of the rainbow in PDT

[young lance]

has anyone ever wondered why the manta call spirit is just an orb when you light em

[nimble ingot]

pardon? It is a full spirit as far I know.
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/sky-children-of-the-light/images/0/00/Valley-Spirit-Manta-Whisperer.png/revision/latest?cb=20210726131935

If you are referring to the memory to relive of this spirit, then yes. It is one of the memories that does not show the spirit but instead fragments that fly about the citadel area.

[gilded fossil]

/didd- someone chopped him up-

[nimble ingot]

Come to think of it... It is possible?
I know these are fragments as they are very similar to the fragments you gather in the races.
I am not sure why the spirit would recall these fragments. It is a fun memory to play with (though I miss the time when all the fragments were out at once instead of one at a time), it is an odd memory.

I doubt the fragments are/were mantas if the spirit is a manta whisper.

[gilded fossil]

/i mean, it's more similar to what is introduced in the seasonal spirits

[nimble ingot]

can you elaborate?

[gilded fossil]

/oh? like, you see fetch the lights spirits usually in seasonal spirits, like, Rally kid, Jelly kid, Crab walk buddy

[nimble ingot]

ok, rallying thrill seeker does it, true.
Jelly whisperer has full spirits in their memory.
Crab walker's memory is completed in a similar way as the fragment memory, though instead of collecting fragments, you collect the spirits memories spread throughout the crab caves and you can complete the memory in any order.

The way a memory is relived could depend on how the spirit remembers or possibly how they died.

[gloomy osprey]

it’s the top of wasteland temple so i think yes that’s battlefield area

[nimble ingot]

Those are most likely canon barrels.
Fortunately neither those or the diamonds up top work.
In concept art they were meant to fire lasers or canons at creatures (and possibly skykids too).

[icy spruce]

DID SOMEBODY INDIRECTLY SAID KING TURRETS

nobody expects the King inquisition

[nimble ingot]

lol yeah, I was trying not to offend any advocates of king propaganda.

[icy spruce]

What, saying King Turrets is not offensive??

[vestal lichen]

im hungry for some lore but i dont know what kind of lore to cook

[nimble ingot]

What was the pilgrimage the spirits had to do?
Was it similar to real life pilgrimages to reach holy sites?

[vestal lichen]

i think it varies to the spirits memory, and what their expression is trying to tell us?
like for example the Lookout Scout, we find the spirit climbing through the ruins of the Battlefield and searching from something. the memory's cutscene ends with him blowing his horn as perhaps an act of calling for someone? im not really sure what's behind the horn call thing

[nimble ingot]

what if the ancestors were not the ones to complete a pilgrimage?
Most of them seemed content on living in one place, so it would not make sense if all of them had to got to eden unless they have to.

What if it was someone else?
Would the sky prince be the one?
Some theorise he would be the first skykid.
I am starting to wonder if the sky prince and the king were possibly separate people?

[vestal lichen]

i think we both have a different a take on Eden
maybe not all of the spirits are trying to go to Eden, perhaps because they have heeved the warning of their inevitable death there
but speaking of a pilgrimage, maybe we skykids are meant to be the ones to complete it

[pastel brook]

@vestal lichen Draw me a manta!

[icy spruce]

Ooo, what’s the topic?

[vestal lichen]

sky spirits and what their purpose is rather than leaving behind their shards of memories

[icy spruce]

Ohhh okay

[nimble ingot]

I agree with you stating that us skykids are doing this pilgrimage.
What makes things a bit uncertain is how one spirit memory shows a falling star (beckoning stargazer), which could either mean the ancestor found a skykid in dawn, or a winged light, or even the sky prince.
It is clear that each spirit had aspirations, whether it was working in their memories, or interacting with other spirits. And worshipped their respective elders, but how did the corruption exactly break the world?
Would any of the spirits that would have appeared in eden might help answer it?
That place is really odd to not have spirits, elders, end temple. It has nothing left except the krill and the red rocks.

[vestal lichen]

i see the Prince as the first skykid there was and an elder alongside with the others, perhaps more dominant compared to the rest being the Eden elder himself and known as the King in sky lore. so perhaps that could just be another one of the ancestors?

and about corruption, through my theory i can only say that it all started with the use of Darkstone which evolved into becoming even worse as time goes and in the end, the King thought it'd be a good idea to construct a big one and put it in the center of Eden (which i refer to be all of the realms in one) which is now known as the Eye of Eden, im not sure what the purpose is but i can only say that the King's fantasy of ruling against Megabird was lingering through his mind all the time, and his obsession with Darkstone technology is another reason why he's lost his mind aswell, to the point where he had lost contact with Megabird and forced her to bring down the stars which eventually led to the downfall of the realms of Sky

[nimble ingot]

that is a good theory.
The old lore laid things out so nicely, but the trouble is that parts of it has been changed. So now it is either the case of rebuilding the lore from scratch, or either reviewing parts of the old lore.

Thankfully the major point of the darkstone being used is still valid, so it is safe to assume that the ancestor used it and corrupted the world.
The elders on the other hand are odd. On the one hand, they are larger than the spirits, have similar designs but are clearly more powerful than the ancestors.
One can say they could be blessed or chosen by the king/megabird to rule over the realms, though it still leaves the 7th elder being missing.

With the concept art considered, there is the case of a prince, a king, and an elder. One can assume it being one person filling in each role (they were born, grew up and became an elder), or it being the case or 2 or 3 different people.

[vestal lichen]

the 7th is the Prince or what we otherwise know as the King, both Prince and King are the same people, with the King just being an even grown version of the Prince

[nimble ingot]

I have too many questions to ask, and not enough answers, lol.

It just feels like the final chapter is being purposefully held back. And while the plot was pretty clear in Light Awaits in hindsight.
In Sky: children of light, the story is changing too much and left without an ending.

[vestal lichen]

thats the problem, for now
i honestly hope they just add more to it in the future so maybe we can understand things more in the future

[nimble ingot]

Yeah, I am sure a lot of skykids have ideas of what spirits in eden would look like, or even have an idea of what happened to the king and where he is.

[vestal lichen]

if we really got to see the King himself in-game this would probably be what it'd look like but it sadly wasn't put in the game, perhaps due to it being too much for mobile devices to handle
but maybe, just maybe we could have these in the game

[nimble ingot]

Agreed.
In interviews, the devs did discuss how they had to work around the limitations of mobile platforms.
Sure, it could be easier to move over to console or PC, but TGC supposedly insists on breaking the stereotypes of game being violent, and not working well on mobile games (from my understanding and opinion).
Implementing the King would surely signify the end of the story in Sky. If the king is saved, the skykids have no more use.
One could say that the king can be saved and the skykids could stay and help the king. But then the mystery is solved and players would lose interest.

Since you brough out that art, I wanted to hear your thoughts on what the king was doing there.
I heard people say the king was against the skykids. But I strongly disagree.

[pastel brook]

@nimble ingot Draw me a jellyfish!

[nimble ingot]

there you go.

Back to the king in eden.
The king looked like he was fighting something. One can see something in the background that looks like an old concept of the krill or some flying corrupted creature.
Up to the point of the skykid reaching him, he was trapped.

Even though that concept art is likely never going to be used in the current game, it did look like an epic scene.
That is probably the one down side of sharing concept art. You get to see all the work and ideas the devs had going on. But not all of the ideas and design would make to the final product for various reasons.

[vestal lichen]

YOU ACTUALLY??????
IT LOOKS GOOD LMAO

[vestal lichen]

and im assuming that the King may have spotted an intruder in his "kingdom"?
perhaps he had lost his mind to darkness and has completely be consumed by it, to the point that every light he'll see he'd choose to execute it

[nimble ingot]

He could have been fending of these dark creatures for so long, he could haven been exhausted and desperate.
So, when he spots a tiny ball of light walking up to him, he would have reasonably been alarmed.

[nimble ingot]

And yes, hehehehhe!
Perhaps @pastel brook needs to be careful who it randomly asks to draw things.
If the drawings become troublesome, I'll post them in the fanart channel and link it here form now on.

[lyric oyster]

Yooo thats lowkey so cool, like the king just attacking u

Anyway I came here to ask a question. Whats the story behind valley and vault and why do neither of them have any darkness? From what I can see valley has alot of technology and Ive been told the technology was the reason the darkness spread in the first place? unless im wrong then pls correct me

[nimble ingot]

Vault has no dark plants in its realm (there is dark water in starry desert, the new season area), you are correct with that.
Valley has dark plants in the temple itself, it is the only place where the dark plants are.

[lyric oyster]

Oh yeah i forgot about that place!! oops

[nimble ingot]

No problem, 🙂
There are theories suggesting that vault has a strong dream like theme, thus suggesting that, especially on the upper levels, the realm is not real/not physical.

[lyric oyster]

Ooo thats interesting, thanks for explaining! Also, about valley, is there a story behind it? like how isle was for helping newly reborn skykids, prairire was a marketplace, forest- actually idk forest either, ik wasteland was a battlefield but idk what it was before, and vault is whatever😭😭

[vestal lichen]

Valley was probably a place for entertainment? playful things like racing and other athletic stuff
Vault was a library i assume

[lyric oyster]

Oohh yeah that makes sense! Tytyty! Also I have alotta questions sorry😭 the spirits consist of both humans and skykids right? But in the opening sequence in Isle, it says "the stars fell and together made a home in the clouds" does this mean the "humans" (the spirits without capes) came from the stars too? and why do they live on clouds btw

[nimble ingot]

Each realm represents a stage in life.
Dawn is Birth, Daylight is Childhood, Forest is Adolescences, Valley is Adulthood, Wasteland is mid life, Vault is elderly and Eden is Death.
You are on the right path with dawn. Also, each realm represented an age/or stage in development in civilisation.

Valley of Triumph is a competitive realm where people are driven to fulfil their dreams or live a successful career.
Personally, I see there being two aspects in the realm. Similar to how the realm has 2 elders, there is the races, and there is entertainment.
You can see these 2 aspects in effect with the seasonal spirits (season of rhythm and the girl in season of dreams) being performers and the main cast of spirits being like gladiators who show off their skills.

Hope this helps.

[lyric oyster]

Oohhhh thats really cool, thank you sm!! You helped alot!! :D That maked alotta sense, tyty!

[nimble ingot]

No worries, you can ask. 🙂

The intro has been changed, though the old intro may still be valid in the lore.
the Elders live in the heavens (orbit), though I may be wrong. The humans/ancestors lived in the mortal world/earth and skykids are like the spirits, though are not likely humans since they are fireproof and dont need food (but can still eat if they want to).

[lyric oyster]

Oo cool cool!! Was there a reason the previous skykids came down to earth? Like the spirits with the capes, not us. Like is there a reason they came down? Or were they sent down?

[nimble ingot]

In my opinion, the skykids arrived when the stars fell as the megabird sent them down (megabird is a deity in the game that give light and life. You can see it in orbit by looking up and in the mural in the water that surrounds the portal to Office, in Vault).
Some spirits have capes, though I am not sure how they would get them or if they can fly with them.

When the world broke from the corruption, the cycle of life was broken as spirits are not able to pass on. In the beta of sky (light awaits) the skykids used to carry the emotes of spirit to orbit instead of winged light. Now, skykids can keep their emotes and help spirits ascend and return the winged light to orbit in exchange for ascended candles to help more spirits.

[lyric oyster]

Oo thanks!! And ik the next season is based off flight so maybe we'll be able to learn how they get their wings from that! :>

[nimble ingot]

oh yes 🙂
I can't wait and actually know a nice fun fact for it.

The symbol for that new season is already in the game 😉

[fallow spade]

idk where to ask this but is this a clock of some kind ??

[lyric oyster]

The symbol is here? :0

Oh wait! Its on those weird statue things in sanctuary right? The arrow thingy!

[nimble ingot]

Unless it changes, the symbol for it is the weather rooster type of thing just outside the entrance to Sanctuary island.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/gTeCT0bu_U0/maxresdefault.jpg

[nimble ingot]

They are from the beta (light awaits).
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[lyric oyster]

Ooo yes yes that! I rlly wanna get the season pass, I havent bought one before. Hopefully Ill be able to cus it already seems to cool

[nimble ingot]

Wishing you all the best.
I dont know how much they cost in other coutnries (as in how expensive they are), they are pretty expensive.
Though it does have its perks 🙂

[lyric oyster]

I think its £8.99 here! And thank you!! :D

[languid lava]

Gut mornenk who is the crabs in past life

[undone harbor]

Crabs are just there
Crab is crab

[hushed steeple]

Hi! Do you think the spirits with capes could fly like us skykids?

[tall chasm]

What does eye of eden mean?
If it isn't any then say me about eden

[nimble ingot]

@tall chasm
[theory] Eye of Eden is a play on the phrase 'Eye of the Storm.'
The reason for it is likely because of the old name for Eden was Storm.

As for the Eden part, it is possibly because of the realm being like a divine paradise, but something when terribly wrong.

[orchid jolt]

I have one thing to say and then I'll return to the void once more:

I'M STILL SALTY OVER THE DEVS CONFIRMING THAT THE KRILL ARE CORRUPTED

[tall chasm]

Ahh I see, tbh it's really looks like Heart of Eden to me, I mean my heart always beat high while playing eden lol, not trying to being funny but well that's really heart taking stage, although that place have 3 parts showing eye of eden so I was confused that what it actually meant, it only showed that where we have to return the light.
Thanks for the info tho

[nimble ingot]

No! Dont go back in the Void!

[orchid jolt]

im to salty to return to lore still. My one hope is that maybe the krill are just corrupted by the imbalance of light and dark instead of just "dArK BAd!111!!"

[nimble ingot]

The krill did not seem to have been affected at first. So it was likely when the corruption started getting out of hand.
Sorry for holding you back, you can return to the void in peace.

[lyric oyster]

Yeah I wanna know this too

[graceful oasis]

Oi light plants like light

[mossy pagoda]

Interesting. I always interpreted it as “eye of the world,” meaning that Eden is actually the name of all of Sky, not just the realm. (Kind of like if you say “the eye of the island,” you wouldn’t mean “the island” you would mean “the center of the island”) this makes more sense to me since the rest of the world is much more of a paradise than what we call Eden, which is actually pretty much ||hell|| but I think both interpretations make sense

[nimble ingot]

@mossy pagoda
It was "eye of the Storm," not world.
Though you are not wrong about Eden being the centre of the world (of the whole game).
Continuing what I said about Eden meaning a paradise, on earth. The fact that the place is so desolate (hellish) could represent where everything went wrong.
Unlike the other realms, Eden does not have an elder at the end of the realm present, let alone a complete temple.
So, yeah the fact that the name is the opposite of what the realm looks like gives it more contrast literally and figuratively (the lighting being so sharp and intense).

[mossy pagoda]

That would imply the whole world of sky is the storm, because Eye of Eden is still the eye of it. The only place in the world that is actively storming is Eden (unless you count forest ig but that’s a different storm) so the whole Eye of Eden can’t act as the middle of the storm (plus it’s not calm, and you’d think it would be calm given what the eye of a storm actually is) again even if the realm was originally called Eden before the apocalypse, you still wouldn’t call it the Eye of Eden because it IS Eden that’s… am I insane or does that not make sense? Like, grammatically? I think they just called it Eye of Eden because of the reasons you said, but to actually interpret it it has a different meaning

[wooden sun]

I just came over curious about the geography of the world of Sky, because much of it and how it all connects is covered in clouds or blocked by winds. It would be cool if a future version of Sky had a whole cohesive map where you could get anywhere without using portals, if you know the way and have the skills.

[nimble ingot]

Ok, now I follow what you are saying.
It is true that the final area in Eden (point of no return) would not make sense to be called 'eye of eden,' as in ' eye of the storm' if an eye of a storm, in real life, is calm.
Also, you saying that the storm could be present in every realm, might have some evidence to support this.
A storm, no matter how large and devastating, would have an effect on a wider area than where the worst of the storm takes place. That said, it might explain why there are clouds in every realm. it could be the clouds being shifted by, or created by the storm, but it is so far out of the dangerous region, the clouds are less charged by the storm but still has enough energy to charge skykid capes.

Side tangent for Vault, it would make sense for it to not have clouds because it looks like it is indoors. I am not forgetting the clouds in the secret area leading to the office portal though. One can argue that place is either an anomaly (exception) to the indoors means no cloud statement, especially since it is a transition to the outdoor area for office, hence why it is hidden behind a wall. So, in short, vault has clouds, but it is not present the further in you go in that realm because it is an indoor space.
That is my head canon at least about that.

From an artistic perspective, how Eden contrasts the name with the level design (as in how the level is the opposite of what the name means) oddly makes sense. Making a contrast like that makes that detail stand out from the rest. It makes it seem more important and gives things a new meaning. If one follows along the story of sky, each realm is ruled by an elder that has a job to do. When something went wrong in the world (the explosion/corruption) one can see that Eden is where it all began.

Hope this helps.

[nimble ingot]

Agreed!
Some portals (not the stone frame ones, but the ones that vaguely looks like the next area) does show how the devs were trying to make the whole map without loading zones. Though understandably the phones running the game might not be able to load the whole realm at once.

Hopefully when it is released on other platforms, possibly as a second version of the game, it could be remastered to be more of an open world where skykids can travel as far to their little flaming hearts content.

[boreal bane]

Why do some of the spirit shave different objectives (such as carrying them or gathering their spirit fragments

[nimble ingot]

Maybe it is to add variety to the gameplay rather than lore.

[autumn lodge]

My personal theory is that spirits that are reluctant to relive their memories for whatever reason need carrying, and fragments are for more energetic spirits/memories, but it could also just be a gameplay thing so idk

[brisk slate]

The king recarnation theory doesn’t make sense

[nimble ingot]

hm?

[rigid mural]

Aw man, this channel is on slow mode. That's too bad but I guess it gives me time to type out my theories. Anyway hi, I might be almost exclusively active here !

So into the subject, what's the consensus about the golden character in the final cutscenes of the cave of prophecy ? One group said it's the first sky kid, some said it's the prince/king and others say it's both. I personally place my bets on prince/king.
About Eden, did you notice how that character seems to... activate ? the mountain (you can even see the Vault Elder behind them) that becomes Eden. Perhaps they used the elemental powers they got during the trials before giving them away (as gifts to earn the favors of 4 elders perhaps)...

Also, I noticed how the cave paintings at the entrance depict the fire element raging through a forest (you can even see flames producing smoke). In the final painting, you can see the Forest Elder summoning the rain with the element of water !

[lethal stump]

So into the subject, what's the consensus about the golden character in the final cutscenes of the cave of prophecy ?
its commonly believed to be the prince/king
About Eden, did you notice how that character seems to... activate ?
assuming youre referring to the glowing child you hug, that character is commonly believed to be the prince/king
Also, I noticed how the cave paintings at the entrance depict the fire element raging through a forest (you can even see flames producing smoke).
in my personal theory, thats the origin of the wasteland. i believe it used to be a forest, but GW elder (fire element holder) burnt it down. but your belief is interesting as well

[pastel brook]

@lethal stump Draw me a crab!

[rigid mural]

Assuming youre referring to the glowing child you hug, that character is commonly believed to be the prince/king
Oh, I meant that there's a painting of the prince activating Eden, not what's happening in Eden. Sorry for not being clear ^^;

[lethal stump]

ah i see. in that case i personally believe the prince is the one who created the eden beam, therefore facilitating the rebirth cycle

[nimble ingot]

woah, ok. Let's see.
Hopefully other folks can chime in.
First off, the lore here is mostly fan theories or speculation as the game is open to interpretation and few parts of the current lore is canon (ergo confirmed by TGC staff).

The glowing character in the prophecy caves could be a winged light, or the first skykid, which would include the king.
The lives of the spirits in season of prophecy took place in the past. So it is likely that the prophecy already came true, that or it did not happen yet.

About Eden and 'activating characters,' I have no clue what you mean by that. If you are referring to the murals? Though still not sure what you mean exactly by that.

And lastly, yes. There are some theories going about how the elders received elements that do not match their realms (ex. Forest elder receiving fire instead of what one would assume should have been water).

[edit: darn cooldown]

[rigid mural]

First off, the lore here is mostly fan theories or speculation as the game is open to interpretation and few parts of the current lore is canon (ergo confirmed by TGC staff).
This is litterally the best part though, I love all the neat details waiting for us to pay attention to them and the riddles left for us to put together. 👀

About Eden and 'activating characters,' I have no clue what you mean by that. If you are referring to the murals? Though still not sure what you mean exactly by that.
Would you like a screenshot ? It's indeed a cave painting, the one you unlock after the trial of air (I think). The painted mountain "lights up" after the fire trial though.

And lastly, yes. There are some theories going about how the elders received elements that do not match their realms (ex. Forest elder receiving fire instead of what one would assume should have been water).
To me, it looks more like the fire element was raging in the forest level but ultimately given to the Wastelands Elder, making room for the Forest Elder to estinguish the flames with water.
You can even see which elders got which element (interestingly Vault and Isle Elder didn't get any but I suppose it's because their realms aren't as expensive as the others).

[lethal stump]

imo they didnt get an element because they were powerful enough without one

[rigid mural]

valid

[lethal stump]

i see vault elder as a goddess of magic so in my opinion she was already super powerful

[rigid mural]

Concept art does have them being an oracle (and even boat engineer ???).

[lethal stump]

the concepts have vaulty being many things, its rather inconsistent

[rigid mural]

Here, at 1:57. That's the "activated mountain" mural I'm talking about.
https://youtu.be/8EB4KIMWNf0

[nimble ingot]

I see.
Imo, it could be the light beam we see in eden. The one we moved towards and rise with to ascend.

Sjmilar to how Journey has a mountain that bridges the mortals with the heavens and how reachjng the top represents the person rising to a new state of mind (ascending or achieving a new stage in their lives).

Sky has a mountain like landmark we move towards. Though it has a structure built on top of it and a beam of light.

That light beam could represent a spirital path to orbit (heaven or ascension or to the stars as the game mentions), or be a calling beacon for skykids to move towards.

[rigid mural]

Yeah that's definitely Eden.

Also I found this, wish you could land to take a better look but the camera takes over shortly after that. I wonder if that proves most of the Vault level is a dream and the archives are actually lost (cue Aaron Paul screaming meme). I'm probably not the first to point it out but I sure felt an emotion seeing that familiar sight.

[nimble ingot]

there are skykids that managed to reach that spot.
Though it is technically an OOB.

You may be on to sometbing
Perhaps the thrones we see in vault is possibly a recreation of the thrones we see here. A recollaction from the vault elder's memory of eden temple.
We do see the real top floor after the elder's scene, so if that room is supposed to be the vault elder's then that one is likely the eden elder's, since he rules over the other elders?

[rigid mural]

Or perhaps we see what the Vault was like, seems special enough to warrant particular attention from the king to be built so close to Eden, hence the statues.
And then we wake up seeing what has been lost to the storm.

[modern cedar]

THEY KILLED THE DISNEY CASTLE IN ORBIT

[rigid mural]

???

Anyway I don't want to think the vault is completely lost but there's something about everything being sent flying inside a tornado for us to catch a glimpse of as we ascend.

[modern cedar]

at the top of the flight to orbit there was a castle at the very end

[rigid mural]

Yeah ? Was it yeeted ? It was still here when I did Eden, tuesday.

[pseudo heart]

Here's a clearer pic

My theory is that Vault is supposed to be a smaller replica of one of eden's Tallest Spire (the one that contains the Eden Shrine) and that the eden diamond was supposed to sit on top as the Vault diamond does

[tropic isle]

Ok i know thats kinda Out of Topic probably everyone knows already, but today i was doing trial run, when i noticed smth, the trials are people trying tô find a way to reach The Light (funny BIRD in the Orbit) without passing through the Eden
The Trial Of Water: Having True Inner Harmony with you and your sorroundings
The Trial Of Earth: Literraly building until we reach there (Just like the Babel Tower in the Bible)
The Trial Of Air: im not COMPLETELY sure about this one but is to Having a balance with your physical and your soul
The Trial Of Fire: GO TO THE EDEN
Qnd they ARE ALL kinda right, tô reach The Light you need tô pass throught the Eden (Fire Prophecy) bê in Harmony with your sorroundings (Water Prophecy) have a balance between your body and soul as demonstrated when you die with the light boi being your soul and dark boi being the body (Air Prophecy) and you see they tried tô do what the earth Prophecy, with the Tower and the Disney Castle

About the Vault, i do BELIEVEE IS less of a dream and more of a spiritual ascension, again Knowledge means pretty much everything, It could Very bê the ascension of you getting ready tô face The Eye Of Eden

[graceful oasis]

Sips tea in already knowing about some of this lore
The Vault is tricky for the ending, but I think it can be called a tower with broken up levels lost in an astray like space from a lot of loosen light that hold a lot of spells that cause objects to float around. The end of Vault is the Second to last level, I am just going to guess that for the first few levels we’re actually existing, but for the last and fourth level are literally the most barren places when several dead mantas, like several dead mantas

[rigid mural]

Your brain must be at least the size of a galaxy.

I saw a theory where the lamps you light up to ascend in Vault are memory codex things, hence all the nods to the past levels; you're essentially flying through the recorded thoughts of the spirits. The more you light those memory codexes, the more surreal your environment looks.

[tropic isle]

Yeah everyones aboutta ignore this ok

poggers

[rigid mural]

I just have nothing to add, your idea of Vault being a spiritual ascension is interesting.

[tropic isle]

:)

I was refering more to the Prophecy stuff, but do i care?

[nimble ingot]

Applied to the king theory.
These might have been the lesson to learn to become a ruler.
I missed hour message, sorry about that.
My brain is now mush.

[modern cedar]

to be entirely fair guilt tripping people into feeling like they 'ignored you' is kinda yeesh but i like the prophecy bit. tower of babel reference was nice

[tropic isle]

Yeah a Lil bit overexageration, but now imma reinforce my thory of spiritual ascension by saying that the "Dead Mantas" that @graceful oasis said are not really dead, for you see, they ARE callled Spiritual Mantas, and Spirit is not exactly Spiritual, meaning that they ARE beings that ascended spiritually, só much that spirits(people or beings that died) have a different designs tô the spiritual mantas, and the only place you find'em is in the place where you are starting your spiritual ascension, i would say that you are not fully ascended, thats why you dont get a similar color as the mantas, só yeah, Just reinforcoin my theory that The Vault Of Knowledge is actually you Spiritually Ascending tô face The Eye Of Eden

[rigid mural]

Weren't the spirit mantas called memories at some point ?

[tropic isle]

Oh i didnt knew that

[modern cedar]

the spirit manta call spirit IS called memory whisperer but idk if the actual mantas were called that

[tropic isle]

Oh, só yeah that raises some questions about my theory

[rigid mural]

I think the king is the storm, here is why:

[tropic isle]

Ok who IS the King?

ooooooohhhh

[rigid mural]

What if the king/Eden Elder "isn't available to be saved"... because they're now The storm ?

Ok who IS the King?
In canon, a character most people believe is the Eden Elder (see constellation below).
Some theories say he's also the prince (see the golden character in the Cave of Prophecy).

[pastel brook]

@rigid mural Draw me a sheep!

[tropic isle]

Next time i Eden run imma anilyse It,

[rigid mural]

The greyscale pic I sent is concept art, just so you know.

[modern cedar]

have you run today already? its resetting in 3 hours

[tropic isle]

Next time i Eden run doesnt mean now

[regal phoenix]

kingkingkingkingking

[tropic isle]

Ok i know thats not about the lore, but this is kinda schewpid, why do i need tô pay actual money tô get emojis that moves

[modern cedar]

me just wanting to use the nod emoji in server but its animated so i need nitro

[tropic isle]

Thats pain, It makes me Go rebimbocas

Heres a question, what IS going on in the graveyard(Second área of Golden Wasteland)

[rigid mural]

You might need to be more specific, but the gist of GW is that it was a war zone.

[modern cedar]

yes

[tropic isle]

Ok, só in the graveyard, there aré krills and a bucha of remains of creatures, probably light ones, so i think the BEST question is, How is the anatomy of Light and Dark beings, they most definivaely have bones, but still

[devout geyser]

where would be the place to like . get caught up on all the lore for sky? i find it interesting but since im pretty new to the game i feel like im missing a bunch when i come to this chat

[tropic isle]

Oh, now that my friend, is a problem, im not as New, but im New to the lore as well

[hushed steeple]

Am I too late to post my king comp?

[rigid mural]

There's not really One Official Place™️ because the lore is mostly fans taking the crumbs the game and dev give us and doing that:

[hushed steeple]

Various king/prince

[rigid mural]

But if you want to start somewhere, some blogs (like on tumblr) are dedicated to that.

[tropic isle]

I got a idea

[devout geyser]

ok ty!

also i see a lot of pictures of concept art posted here, is there a sky concept art book that u can get? bc id totally wanna get my hands on it

[rigid mural]

Look up Tom Zhao, he got a bunch on his site !

[devout geyser]

oo ok ty!

[rigid mural]

https://www.tomzhao.com/sky1

[hushed steeple]

An art book is in the works!

[rigid mural]

YES I'M GONNA GET IT ASAP
I need it so badly !

[hard merlin]

Do skykids understand emotions or are they just copying things they see from spirits?

[hushed steeple]

They are very emotional, but for the most part, don’t know how to express it. Friend emotes and cutscene expressions as an example of ones they already know.

[rigid mural]

Doesn't a spirit straight up die and the sky kid goes "ooohh time to play dead :D"

[hushed steeple]

“Fainting” and “play dead” yeahhh sky....suuure

[hard merlin]

I mean one starves to death and the skykids like let me try that

[tropic isle]

Ok só aparently, in the beginginginging of the game, the funny light BIRD says something about the Elders not listening tô hum abou the darkness

[vernal silo]

spirit: i have a mental illness and i get really sad-
sky kid: he ho new emotion /j

[hushed steeple]

The old intro said “if only they had listened” when the stars fell.

Light miner: “my friends all died, and I had to watch it”
Skykid: “oh can I try? Boo hoo wah wah, am I doing it right?”

[tropic isle]

And the last one tô fall was the eden according to the visuals of the cutcsene, and by Far, the one that suffered the most

[modern cedar]

i reember something about eden at one point being called "the source of the storm"

[tropic isle]

Makes sense, everytime you are in the Eden and go home everything IS dark and in stroms

[regal phoenix]

I've never actually seen eden-ified home

[rigid mural]

Megabird is barely canon, imo. We don't see it at all (unlike the king).

[hushed steeple]

Its so quiet and ominous, like, you have nowhere else to go but back. Very cool.

[rigid mural]

https://youtu.be/zNFhGIUbsuY

[tropic isle]

Go to the Orbit and look up

[regal phoenix]

vela can you type the name of the video?

[hushed steeple]

Heres current megabird comp. only three or so image is actually in the game haaaa

[rigid mural]

Sure, just search "storm lock home sky" and it should be the first video.

[regal phoenix]

oh that's cool looking

[rigid mural]

I dig the solar eclipse, headcanon they had this weather before the world ended (for them).

[tropic isle]

It probably means death

[devout geyser]

good to know, i’ll totally be getting it concept art is the career i’m pursuing so looking at art books for games like these is such an inspiration for me

[rigid mural]

Oh mood, his art makes me want to go back to studying an art field.

[graceful oasis]

Quietly grabs out Vault thing Vault is underground at least

[regal phoenix]

where's this

[rigid mural]

Where is that ???

[graceful oasis]

EDEN YOU FOOLS

[tropic isle]

Ok where exactly, its obvious is in Eden

[rigid mural]

I mean yeah but are you oob ?

[graceful oasis]

Nope

[devout geyser]

i think that’s at the social space, when u turn around to look at the vault door

[rigid mural]

Oh ! will look behind myself when I enter, then !

[tropic isle]

Well, linda makes sense like..... Its connected tô the wasteland........ And you are até a mountain base knowing youve been only going up

[regal phoenix]

imagine sky but as an anime

[devout geyser]

so is the megabird essentially the deity in the sky universe? since it seems responsible for the cycle of rebirth and is the source of light

and how kamilico’s collage shows the motif of the megabird showing up subtly through the winged light icon and the arrow posts in the daylight prairie, i’d think that it’s more of an elusive/widely not understood deity that has maybe only revealed itself a few times to the ppl of sky

or maybe the elders knew more about the megabird before the realms fell, and then through the realms falling and the passage of time the knowledge was lost so only few traces of it remain just a thought

[modern cedar]

i believe megabird also has an appearance on some of the gates in home? its very vague but a sorta goldish arrow-thing pointing up with many trails

[tropic isle]

Ok that kinda makes sense, and makes more sense seeing that mega funny light BIRD is the one that created ALL light beings(at least i think) plus he IS the one comunicating with you in the beginginginging of the game

Wait,is there a funny dark bird?

[graceful oasis]

I felt something was missing, sorry just really paranoid about Vault theories. Vault is a dream in a way but not really per say, because remember each constellation to the floors, they have a meaning to each floor overall area to say.

[rigid mural]

Megabird is here but I don't think it's a character more than the personification of a concept sacred to the spirits.

[tropic isle]

Heres a theory, what is the connection between the Elder o dawn and the Eden?

[graceful oasis]

Raise him, basically from what I could tell

[tropic isle]

w h a t

No, i meant the Eye o f Eden, like, his face is NOT in the gate, and the temple of Dawn gate IS in the beggining of the Second Act of the Eden

[devout geyser]

the vault being a dream theory is rlly interesting, i forgot who said it but i def think that the first few floors of the vault + archives are real bc of the solidity of them, and the fact that there are actual walls n stuff

i think it’s when the mantas start showing up is probably when it transitions to a dream since they look very dreamlike and in those levels the “reality” is sort of falling apart, ur just in endless starry darkness and the solidity of the walls and platforms of the first few levels is waning, even the lanterns are no longer rooted to any sort of solid structure and are instead free-floating

i have no idea what the dream would be about though, or what it’s trying to convey, or what significant knowledge you’re supposed to be gaining there, but it’s definitely an interesting theory

[regal phoenix]

what if vault is like you're slowly dying and you start seeing things and eden is like death going to be reborn? ( well maybe just last moments before death is eden )

[graceful oasis]

Oh, he is left out because he was not exactly a true follower of the King, allowing to exist at Isle and just allowing others entrance to the kingdom of Fallen Stars. He was the gatherer of traders, but not important in the eyes of the King for reasons involving Trial Trauma

[tropic isle]

Oh well, staying truth to my loved one, Spiritual Ascension Theory

[devout geyser]

and idk if it’s just me but there’s something about the 4th level vault music that’s very melancholic to me, idk something about the arrangement of the instruments + the very celestial/dreamlike environment makes it seem almost like you’re remembering something u lost or are close to losing something

but then the music in the 5th level and temple have a more triumphant feel to them?? there’s a much larger swell of instruments in the music and u feel victorious riding the mantas up to the top so maybe it signifies enlightenment? but then the vault elder looks very somber and sad so idk

also recently for some reason the music stopped in the vault for me at the 4th level, and wow lemme just say that doing the 4th and 5th levels and the final descent to the temples in pure silence is very isolating, even though i was with another person. everything feels so empty and distant

[tropic isle]

Oh you mean propaganda man

[graceful oasis]

Sips tea in already being a part of it

[tropic isle]

Ok, now that we have our awnser about whatever IS the vault, lets Go to the big boys question, How is the Darkness made?

[graceful oasis]

Well, the wisdom of Courage I guess and it already existing and such in the world for a long enough time.

[tropic isle]

What

[graceful oasis]

Ever just stare at the murals to caves of Prophecy along the way?

[tropic isle]

Ooooooh, thats what you were talking about, i see

[graceful oasis]

Basically the wisdoms from the murals are actually important in a way since some of its power and knowledge was handed to four of the elders, but not the other two, leaving them in a way not able to anything but what they may already have and just trying to channel with their bare amount of powers

[modern cedar]

that was isle and vault i believe?
the 4 i saw in it was prairie/forest, valley/wasteland

i always thought of it as where each of the prophets came from

[graceful oasis]

Honestly the Prophets are their own beings as I can tell, I think that the Elders are older and friends of the King, ultimately younger then the other two in a way I think.

[shadow mesa]

who was the king?

[gilded fossil]

/who do you think was the king?

[shadow mesa]

i havent even heard of the king the highest political status i thought there was was elder

[regal phoenix]

the king is our lord and savior

[graceful oasis]

The King, is the Prince, or the King is some guy that has the power from the trials, we honestly have no idea

[modern cedar]

werent the king and prince confirmed to be two separate people?

[pseudo heart]

Nah, not really. Just "we'll leave their roles up for interpretation" kinda thing

[modern cedar]

aah
i actually have an oc that's the prince and he's trapped inside the eden crystal
personal-lore idea is that he felt enough negative energy for one reason or another that eden basically esploded

[graceful oasis]

We have had some things confirmed but other then those things we basically have the beautiful madness that is Lore, that does exist but it’s extremely broken

[terse canopy]

[icy spruce]

Thank you King, for blessing us with your almighty presence

[hushed steeple]

Hello lore chat

[nimble ingot]

Hi Hana
Any lore to discuss?

[rigid mural]

The devs confirmed elders are ancient and ageless. I like to believe the ancestors do not predate the fall of the elders on the clouds, but this begs the question about what are they doing in Orbit; I don't think they can be lesser fallen stars because that would have been noteworthy in the intro.
My theory is that they come from the elders themselves; we know the latters have enough importance and power to have constellations and temples dedicated to them, so perhaps the ancestors saw the elders as their own ancestors ? Kinda like kings tracing their lineage from deities, but this time it's real. After all, they could have been created with light or stardust.

[nimble ingot]

hm...
can you show where you got the statement of the elders being ancient or ageless?
I follow what you mean by the ancestor worshipping the elders or their respective realms, as well as the king (as seen in the symbols him being everywhere).
It is interesting how the megabird is present though there are little images of it from the ancestor. Unless it is done with the candles, but still.

Is it possible for the ancestors to forget the megabird and worship the king more, and by forgetting something important to maintain the balance of life, the darkness got to dominate the world?

[rigid mural]

can you show where you got the statement of the elders being ancient or ageless?
Got me here, I'm repeating what I saw on tumblr. It was from a stream so I didn't bother to fact check, apparently they also said they were genderless.

Perhaps they worshipped the ancestors who themselves were subordinate to megabird, but as the king got their favor instead, megabird was replaced by the king.

[sage isle]

are sky kids technically orphans?

[nimble ingot]

I think they never had parent to begin with?

I am looking up where the devs talked about the elders, I vaguely remember them being ancient and all that, just need to confirm it, @rigid mural

[icy spruce]

I gochu mate

And yes, it’s from the canon lore doc

[icy spruce]

HHAHAHAAHAH, YOUR WELCOME

[rigid mural]

Which canon lore doc though ? Because if that's something I can read right now...

[nimble ingot]

it is in the pinned messages.

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[icy spruce]

Not anymore actually ever since The Révolution or is it back in the pins??? Idk

https://docs.google.com/document/d/10ZWJRGiJSrIXgDvJ4pST61moZbVB_hBExUjOaF-pmOE/edit

[rigid mural]

Man I feel like Jared, 19 right now for never checking pins...

[icy spruce]

Lmao, anyway so what’s the topic?

[nimble ingot]

elders, I guess

[icy spruce]

Mkay, what about them?

[nimble ingot]

Where do they come from, why are they similar to the ancestors, are they demigods, are they responsible for allowing corruption to spread, etc, etc.

[icy spruce]

Ohhhhhhh

Of course imo they come from Megabirb, prolly similar to ancestors cause their like a….uhh tigers to cats yknow (same family but different species yknow??), yeah they’re kinda demi-gods and they’re responsible for corruption. Those are my opinions tho

[rigid mural]

I like to think the elders building their territory includes spawning their... servants ? who are the ancestors.

[nimble ingot]

hm..
Reading Le Livestream doc :#lore-discussion-spoilers message
It helps clear up a few of the question.
Elders fell as stars in the opening cut scene at the very start of the game (now see in the first cave murals in dawn). So, they are similar/related to skykids, though are much bigger and more powerful than skykids.
So, they could be from the megabird?
I wonder if this also applies with the Eden elder (his majesty, king).?

[rigid mural]

You're a new spirit that was just born and you see the Forest Elder is making a hill for some trees POV

[nimble ingot]

When the power is out and forest elder gets the hammer.

[livid valley]

gosh a minute of cooldown how long have I been away

[rigid mural]

I like the theory that the king comes from humbler beginnings and is the first kid to succeed at the 4 trials in Prophecy. Might have earned respect that way and yadda yadda we went over this yesterday.

Something Something Eden Elder isn't seen falling as a star either.

[nimble ingot]

welcome to the lore chat, where theories are the most relived memories in sky.

Also, true, in the old opening cut scene the eden elder did not fall, while the other elders did and made their homes in the clouds.

[rigid mural]

I like how Eden is also the last kingdom to dissappear.

[nimble ingot]

Last?
It is the most destroyed kingdom. It is like ground 0 in a supernova explosion.

[rigid mural]

In the intro I meant !

[livid valley]

I've been in lore chat for a year but it's been way too long since I've chatted here I felt like most of my memories of lore is forgotten

[nimble ingot]

(still reading though notes, though want to point this out)

We have a megabird, and even though this is a fan nickname, there is theoretically a megakrill.

Just to recap: megabird is the divine deity in sky, giver of life and light.
And the megakrill is a theory one can see evidence of in the shipwreck area in wasteland. Where there are 2 massive dark horns pierce the stone ship.

So, what if there was a megakrill that exists in eden. And further what if it would fight the megabird?

[livid valley]

Megabird seems universally large tho is the mega krill also that large?

(Hi chesca long time no see)

[icy spruce]

Ah yes, haven’t heard Megakrill (nicknamed, Karen) for a long time

Hi Meow

[nimble ingot]

judging off how the big the horns are in the shipwreck, it could be close...

[icy spruce]

Amybe lol

[naive sequoia]

Hmm I still think Megabird is bigger, like, astronomically bigger.

It's as big as a galaxy so I don't think Mega Krill stands a chance

[naive sequoia]

Wait.. If "Eden Elder" never fell, then they wouldn't have been the Eden Elder because it would've meant they fell to the skies as well

[tropic isle]

You ARE ALL wrong the king IS the funny propaganda man

Só, whos ready for an painful Eden run :)

Imma bout tô get

[icy spruce]

Yeah, King is the funny Propaganda man

[nimble ingot]

Hold on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dNShWJ0jiY

Ok, so the old intro showed all but the Eden elder (king - as in the person with a glowing head) fell, but it does seem like all 7 made their kingdoms in the clouds.
While the new intro does not show it, it is assumed that the eden elder either did fall with the others, or stayed in the heavens but the kingdom was built none the less.

It is open to interpretation, therefore for my head canon, the eden elder did not fall. And because of that is either no present in the world (earth), or lost in the darkness.

It is weird, but everyone can draw their own interpretations on it.

[fierce elbow]

idk

[nimble ingot]

?

[fierce elbow]

Maybe the dreams village is there? You can see the colosseum in dreams village

[nimble ingot]

oh.
Yeah, it should be there, though it does not show up in races :/

[stark marten]

That could just be because it would have been more difficult to add it there just for the race for decoration/accuracy when there would be no other real purpose. Adding more assets to that area and making it harder to load for some people for no real benefit

[fierce elbow]

Does add more detail tho

[nimble ingot]

Agreed

[naive sequoia]

Sky as it is, is already graphically restricted that they had to scrap intended extra details

[nimble ingot]

yup, even skykids cannot have fingers, just mittens.

[wanton nest]

Yeah, but look at their cape recharging animation

[nimble ingot]

in beta (light awaits) the capes used to have pattersns.

[wanton nest]

Actually yeah, animating every finger for every emote seems like it might be difficult. Comes across as a style choice to me, though

[nimble ingot]

yup, one that is influenced by the game engine.
In Journey, they perfected using simplicity to have a smooth running game that also looks good.

[shadow mesa]

not sure if i understood what you said but i think the elders are guides for the spirits, for profession in life, and where to go in death. we see the spirits being beamed off the elders temples star trek style, being released to the afterlife like the sky kids you save in eden. orbit if orbit is what im thinking of (just before the sky kids throw candles at you i think), then maybe the location is out of time and space, so thats why you see the spirits in orbit every time, because since theres no time there you went in the same time as them

[shadow mesa]

i mean, simply the amount of particles in the game is absurd, id be suprised if they pulled another forest cave

[nimble ingot]

hey @pastel brook, got anything to say?

[tepid oxide]

Heyyyyyyy soooo I have some questions about the history of the game, can I ask some questions here?

[nimble ingot]

go ahead 🙂

[tepid oxide]

Ok so
What’s Wasteland or what used to be wasteland? It looks old and destroyed and there are many krills there
What used to be?
Also, there’s a boat, that means Wasteland was like Prairie or something?

And we are the only ones in sky
Because the spirits were humans, but they died?
What happened?
Sorry for my bad English, I’m trying to explain the best I can.

I have questions but let me remember them and then I’ll ask

[nimble ingot]

ok, I'll give a rundown to answer you question take note these are going to be theories read from this channel, a few headcanons and speculation. In short, fanon (not confirmed lore), so it is open to interpretation.

Wasteland is the 5th realm in sky. The game follows different stages of life such as dawn-birth, daylight-childhood, forest-adolescence, valley-adulthood, wasteland-midlife, Vault-elderly and Eden-death.
Sky also roughly follows the stages of how civilisation developed over time. That said, Wasteland basically was an industrial factory but later on became a warzone for several reasons.
Some say it is because the light creatures became so corrupted, they started attacking the ancestors (the spirits), or there was two factions that did not get along (as seen in the battlefield area, the place right outside the temple.

The krill are the corrupted creatures (that is at least confirmed to be canon). And Wasteland is infested by them.

As for the boat (I am assuming you are referring to the boats in general), boats are the main form of transportation to the ancestors. You can see them being used all the way back in dawn.

(I'll happily answer the other questions you have) 🙂

[tepid oxide]

OH WOW
that’s SO INTERESTING!
Thank you so much for answering my questions!!! I was so confused but thanks! 🥰
Now just let me remember the questions hehe

[rigid mural]

Concept art had the light creatures attacking the civilization

[tepid oxide]

I already remembered something.
At the beginning of the game it is seen that we live on the sky, and there are places on it. But where is the Earth? Can Isle of Down be the gateway to the clouds or something? I think Valley is a floating place in the clouds

Are Skykids humans or magic kids? We don’t need to eat or sleep, we don’t even talk. We just honk. And our color skin is like black and we use masks
we don’t open our eyes lol
And I don’t think we can live without our capes

[nimble ingot]

Your English is fine, bud 🙂
Feel free to ask as I go.

Us skykids are the only living descendants in sky. The little prince is an exception to that fact as he is not from Sky and is part of a collaboration.

The ancestors used to live in the different realms and dedicated a lot of their time in developing their civilisation and worshipping their respective elders of their realms. You can see offering left to them in some temples in the form of candles or vases, or used their temples to improve their lives (like in forest, the temple used to create power diamonds which you see in doors, boats and stands to activate).

(Again, this is may not be accurate)
The history of sky (outside of the game) had changed over the time through its beta till now. When you would research the history of sky, you might come across a timeline that went like this, though summarised:
The megabird (the divine deity of Sky, giver of light and life) used to rule beside someone known as the king. You can see it roughly in the water pond that surrounds the portal to office. (I'll send a image of it shortly).
While the megabird brought life to the world, once the life force has completed its journey (dies) the king is responsible for guiding the light back to the megabrid. Later on the king chose 6 elders to rule over the realms, which was good. Some time later, the king discovered dark stone, a material that takes light instead of giving it. He found out this dark stone can be used to make him and the elders more powerful. Soon they became corrupted and the world began to fall apart amid a huge explosion. Since the light of the elders were gone, the ancestors perished to the darkness.

Now, that was more or less the old lore.
The current lore gives a similar result, but the change is that the elder of eden (the king) is no longer present and cannot be saved.
What I believe the new lore is, that the megabird cannot complete the cycle on its own without the elders. So send skykids to help.

@tepid oxide

[tepid oxide]

I see... thank you
In eden there are red stones everywhere, if u get close to them it stoles your light. I don’t know if that’s related to that black stone.
Also, what will happen next? When we complete everything, If we return all the light to the world, that means that we have already completed our mission. What will happen next? Maybe you can make a theory, because I don't think that will happen, I feel that the purpose for now is only to relive memories of spirits and discover new places. But I don't know if something will ever happen, like an event ... or a movie?
I am thinking a lot... uh
This game is really interesting and unique, the history, the designs and the story. I’ve never seen a game like this before. I love it, but it would if we could know more about the story and the elders, and that megabird.

[nimble ingot]

The realms all exist in different places in the world (sky's version of earth). Since the world is broken apart, some places are in the clouds as the pieces of land floats about.
Some places can be low down to the ocean (dawn, sanctuary island and wasteland) and others can be pretty high up in the clouds (valley, forest and eden).

This is where the ancestors used to live, though are now dead and exist as lost spirits. Us skykids can relive their memories and by doing so help them to the temple and then up to orbit.
Personally, by building a friendship with them and helping them ascend (they turn into golden ascended spirits when you unlock their wing buffs), they can make it orbit, and in turn help you in your next life find and help more spirits.

Skykids are theorised to be many things, some say they are a bit like a hybrid of ancestors and light creatures, others say they are similar to elders but not the same (both came down from the stars), and others say they are like golems (or homunculus). I am not much into the first theory, though that is open for debate.
On thing for certain they are not like human as they can survive great falls, are fire proof, can carry a flame inside them, dont need to sleep or eat (though can eat if they want and can become tired), have glowing eyes and can take hits from rocks that can smush humans.

Skykids eyes are assumed to be able to blink (as seen in chibis). I suppose the reason why a maskless skykid closes their eyes for the looks in the game rather lore. Same applies to being finger less (they have mittens for hands) and lacking mouths.

[nimble ingot]

The red rocks are theorised to be the darkstone. Though possibly an unstable and aggresive (possibly overcharaged) version of the stuff. Since they take light, this is most likely the case.

I can see you are new to the game and curious 🙂
My advice, take your time and read along on the channel. You are welcome to ask questions, and even share your own interpretation/theories.
Though most importantly, take your time and go at your own pace. Knowing the lore is not a major thing to the game or something every skykid should know. Even if there is no canon lore, the player are able to form their own story based on the game.

As for what happens next?
I dont know, and doubt most folks would know either what happens next for certain.
The most we can do is theorise.

For now, skykids are able to explore the world as it is revealed in parts. Experience every chapter as they come and go. And see what the mystery of the game is when it is revealed.
The game goes on in cycles, so for now, it has no ending. Just like skykids dont have to go to eden, there is no rush to finish the story at present.
I do hope you enjoy the game and able to stick with it for a while (because I have a feeling the next season might have some cheeky references to the megabird 😉 )

[tepid oxide]

I see, I see. Thanks for answering all my questions.
And yes, I don’t think sky kids are 100% humans. It reminds me to the Crystal Gems haha (It was a CN serie), because they don’t need to eat or sleep, but if they want to they’ll do it. It’s very interesting. And I don’t think we can grow up, yes, you can be tall, small, Chibi but always a kid. You can be a small kid or a tall one.

[nimble ingot]

Noted.
I might have something with them. (sorry, I did not intend to skip your comment)
Nope, and could not find an image that specifically show dark creatures attacking spirits.

Though, if I recall correctly, krill and crabs would attack spirit memories.

[nimble ingot]

lol and we can change appearances on a whim too.

Though am sort of glad skykids cannot fuse.
That would have been a major lore detail no one would EVER expect!

[tepid oxide]

I’ve playing the game since July/June 2019 😭😭😭😭
I entered the server like a month ago idk
But I’m interested on the lore but I was REALLY shy to ask here because I think this server is kinda strict 😭😭
But thanks for answering my questions

[tepid oxide]

HAHA I knoowwwww
But it would be funny if we could fuse 😳😳
Imagine fusing with everyone LOL

[nimble ingot]

a skykid cluster....

sorry, not sorry lol

[tepid oxide]

OMG YEEESSSSSSSSSSS
But that sky cluster would be disturbing

[tepid oxide]

Alive then dead LOL

[dry ivy]

Okay so

I finished watching Netflix’s Centaurworld the other day

I have to say, it’s animation is great, it’s music is pretty catchy, and it got a few laughs out of me (though, some of the zaniness and potty humor got on my nerves a little)

But like Over the Garden Wall, it has a great dark atmosphere hidden among the whimsy

This song is one of those deliciously dark things, and I can’t help by think, if we interpret Resh as evil, this would be a fantastic theme song for him

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zEGbIpD6wNo

(Tho I’m in the camp that sees Resh as a complicated human being, and one who was/is well intentioned! But heh, I also don’t mind entertaining a “fallen dark king” plot either, once in a while )

[tepid oxide]

Where’s my cape's shadow

[tepid oxide]

Awww that song is really cute and relaxing
So pretty

[nimble ingot]

capes are theoretically made of light.
We lose the cape when all winged light is lost and the cape can change colour (from the usual colours to white when our light is out).

[dry ivy]

Oh boy, isn’t it

I love the contrast between such a nice melody and the really dark lyrics

That last line though shudder

Hush now, hide, all you little ones
Rush now, into the middle of nowhere
Singing and laughter will die
Dreamless sleep, follows the Nowhere King
When his kingdom comes, darkness is nigh
Quiet, crawl to the in-between
Silent, secretive feeling
Of fearsome hatred that reaches the skies
You will bring joy to the Nowhere King
When he sees the light leaving your eyes

[tepid oxide]

eeeeeee so no shadow?
If we don’t have light we die, isn’t it

[nimble ingot]

yup.

[tepid oxide]

I look like a moth but I’m veteran🧍‍♀️

[nimble ingot]

lol, new moths are now more spoiled than older moths.

[tepid oxide]

Yea but thank you so much for answering me questions, I was really confused lol

[nimble ingot]

say, @tepid oxide
You mentioned that you were playing since 2019. Which season was it?

[tepid oxide]

I- I- I- well... I don’t know 😃👍🏻
I didn't know that seasons existed until I realized it. But i'm not lying 😭
I- how can I prove it to u

[dry ivy]

I can’t believe I forgot about this intro already

I also forgot there had been a kingdoms or something BEFORE the Ancients “fell from the sky”, whatever that means. Then they made the kingdom on the ground, the one we skids explore

[nimble ingot]

ey, dont stress.
I was curious. 😅
My apologies, @tepid oxide

[dry ivy]

Also, I wonder who is talking to us. The Mega Bird? An Elder? Somebody else?

[tepid oxide]

😔
It’s okay, I thought you were gonna tell me to send proofs 😭👍

[dry ivy]

And what didn’t the Ancients listen to? Was it a bad idea to make a kingdom on the earth? It was it the whole “trying to make embers using an explosive red rock” debacle?

[nimble ingot]

With the new intro.
It could be the spirits, or even the elders.
Or possibly what the skykids reads off the murals and the text gives the players context for the murals.

[tepid oxide]

Interestingggggggg

[dry ivy]

Though could the the place the ancients lived before be more like...Eden? Like they lived there similar to how they live there once their spirits go there at the end of the game

[nimble ingot]

nope.
The channel does not take kindly to folks that targets people.
I would not pay much mind if you joined today or even been in sky from the start.

If anyting, I suppose one test question I can ask, and one you dont have to answer is as follows.
What was the old name of the elders that were placeholders and no longer canon?
You can give any one name.
(again, if you dont know or want to answer, it is fine 🙂 )

[tepid oxide]

I- well
Idk what you talking about LOL

[nimble ingot]

well, based on the nintendo switch trailer for sky.
There were ancestors that lived long before the stars fell.
Though this might still not confirm how ancestors live, if there were any, before the elders arrived.
The reason I am saying it is because the temple is present in the trailer, and then the start fell many year later.

The stars falling could represent the arrival of skykids, from what I understand was happening [headcanon].

[tepid oxide]

Okay guys soooo I need to gooOoO se u laterrrrrr

[nimble ingot]

fair answer.

The elders used to have hebrew names.
Resh-Kind, Alef-Prince, Daleth-dawn, Ayla-Day, Teth-forest, Samekh-Valley, Tsadi-Wasteland and Lamed-vault.

Their realms even had different names you might pick up the past of the channel
Dawn,Day,Rain,Sunset,Dusk,Night and Storm.

Since these are the old names and not canon, it is preferable to use their current names.

[tepid oxide]

Ooooh that’s really interesting, thanks for telling me this. I didn’t know that hehehe

We can talk later, I have to go, but thank you, cya 🥰🥰🥰

[hushed steeple]

From what I understood, the stars are the ancestors, which is why they would be linked together. For me, the goal of children is to repopulate the sky with stars by bringing spirits back to the sky.

That's why when the stars fell, the spirits died with it, as the intro in the cave explains ^^

The million candle question is if elders fell first, after, during or at all, and why. If king was the reason the stars fell then would have have had to fall first?

[nimble ingot]

Maybe the elder decided to descend themselves?
The murals did show them interacting with spirits in the cave of prophecy and the all elder's cut scene.
So maybe they wanted to help the ancestors progress but the king was not interested?

[dry ivy]

Ohhh I see! I interpreted this as meaning that the ancestors and elders had been stars once (whatever this means), and fell to earth at some point. But “stars” could very well be something else, and the ancestors lived on earth long before they fell.

[nimble ingot]

By the elder and skykid used to be stars. I meant to say they came from the stars.

The elders live in orbit and have their own constellations. While the skykids are like stars as the star falling represented the skykids arriving (head canon), and out friendship constellation had stars that each represented a skykid.

If the skykids being like star are canon, they are in a way a falling star. Like a wish or a meteor.

[dry ivy]

I really love the idea of skids being stars

Do you think the Elders interacted physically with the Ancestors at one point? The murals seem to show them doing so without the Ancestors having to meditate to see them or whatever

[nimble ingot]

in theory. I am not sure if a mural can confirm things. Though can work as evidence.

[dry ivy]

Yeah, true true

[hushed steeple]

Old doc list Elders as included in the stars that fell “the stars that fell are elders and ancestor spirits, not winged lights” but honestly who knows if thats true anymore. I think prophecy murals are literal, as it explains the rain and such.

Every day the lore gets more vague as they realize they don’t actually want a story. Even elements cleared up like krills being corrupted will continue to be debated about until the false hope of clarity rears forward. Brbrbrbrbr.

[orchid jolt]

These dark plants that are near the whale skeleton and give wax are egg shaped

[hushed steeple]

Thats Hard boiled

[orchid jolt]

It's not that their eggs I'm just commenting that they have a different shape from the rest of the darkness balls this adds a third type of dark ball for the plants the spiky ones the rounded ones and then these

[nimble ingot]

What makes it difficult to use murals to confirm theories, such as the door to the forest temple in particular.

The forest temple door implies (but does not confirm) they cut down trees and combined them with light from pots to make darkstone (power diamonds)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10ZWJRGiJSrIXgDvJ4pST61moZbVB_hBExUjOaF-pmOE/edit

So, even if the fact is probable since a spirit memory also shows the tree being chopped down (apologetic lumberjack), the murals may not be enough to outright confirm theories.

[hushed steeple]

Next thing you know the butterflies will be underworld keepers and turn a long appearing character into a well liked unused character design- wait thats the wrong game’s lore

[prisma abyss]

At first I did thought too that the elder where the ones who fell from the stars, but while you relieve the spirit , You can see how a shooting star falls and it is a wl or another skykid

[nimble ingot]

some dark plants produce spores.
Though that being possibly an egg would be interesting.

[hushed steeple]

I think that kid that fell in isle, IS an elder though. It was changed during

[orchid jolt]

and winged lights dont move

[prisma abyss]

So the elders where once kids?

[nimble ingot]

personally, the spirit you are referring to, ushering stargazer.
Could possibly show the arrival of the first skykid which looks like the one we meet in the void in eden.

Although the one in eden would mirror your skykid, so I am still debating it.

[orchid jolt]

i do not think the glowey we hug is a winged light. no other glowey boy moves. UGH SLOWMODE WHY???

[hushed steeple]

No, but one was created as a child from the get go, according to the theory.

[prisma abyss]

They are waiting for us, and I think they breathe too

[nimble ingot]

they do pose though.
Maybe they are a bit like echoes or frozen in time?

[orchid jolt]

bro, not even sky kids breathe. otherwise we'd all die while trying to get to prophecy cave to relive the water prophet's memory

[hushed steeple]

So basically, that kid in isle looks exactly like the one in eden yeah? And the one in eden is a lot like the concept art scene where that someone is a certain someone

[prisma abyss]

I meant about a breathing animation

[orchid jolt]

i know thats the likley answer but i still like the idea that as our eyes are sealed shut, we can only see inside ourselves and we see someone inside to save, that person being ourselves

[hushed steeple]

And imo the two stick figures waving to the glowboy in proph mural are Stargazer and Rejecter, as they use ansestor stickfigures (not elder stick figures) and one has the horns of anyone who wears the isle boat hat. Like Rejector has.

[orchid jolt]

i dont think they do that.
also should i copy and paste the links to the messages i made about that being ourselves?

oh yeah, also the glowey boy we hug is always the same size as us. even when we use a resize potion in the room with them, they change size

[nimble ingot]

This might complicate things.
There is an emote about breathing, and another about sneezing.
Also, did the little prince possibly mention smelling flowers? (I cannot remember)

[hushed steeple]

Awwww I didn’t know that thats cute.

[dry ivy]

K-Kirby reference???

[hushed steeple]

hhhsomeone got it

[orchid jolt]

actually, the petit prince has a mouth and a nose, the narcisist has a nose too!

[pastel brook]

It is the time you have wasted for your rose that makes your rose so important, @orchid jolt

[nimble ingot]

there you are, where have you been?

[orchid jolt]

boooo, that rose emotionally maniputated the petit prince. The rose shouldnt die, but the prince shouldnt be forced to kill themself for the rose

[hushed steeple]

“Am I responsible for my rose?” Nah man, like, she just kinda came to your crib and started complaining, like geez man

[orchid jolt]

also, since you are definitely the dev caped sky kid and i am definitely not wrong, can you let me into office?

oh, and i think isle elder misses you, you should go visit them sometime. (yes this is about my crackpot theory of dev caped sky kid being the sky prince and going by thatskybot on discord. yes this was made as a joke)

[pastel brook]

@orchid jolt Draw me a sheep!

[nimble ingot]

Ah the irony of fables.
Each character in that book had a flaw, the little prince included.
Despite being wise, he is naive.
The rose is aware of it and relied on it for the prince to care for it.
The rose in the end learns that it is inevitable it will die, and the little prince learns that his choices has consequences.

[hushed steeple]

Haha your in trouble now ameoba

Lil prince dont know how adults work, and that judging people by the way they talk to you is kinda normal.

[orchid jolt]

how about i just copy and paste an image containing a sheep made by someone else?

im to lazy to draw

[nimble ingot]

lol dude.

[half shadow]

Howdy all, new sky kid here. I’ve been slowly trying to get into what lore is understood so far but I’m not entirely sure where to look for info on the “King” of the Sky Kingdom. Are there any good blogs or threads out there that go a bit into explaining who he is?

[nimble ingot]

there are lore docs in the pinned messages.
Feel free to have a look. take your time

[hushed steeple]

King is mostly in concept art. But icons related to him can be found all over the game

[half shadow]

Oh thank you! I looked at the pins earlier and my phone wouldn’t load them. This is very helpful though!

[hushed steeple]

Thats, such an amazing profile picture.

[nimble ingot]

I see, here they are:
Lore Moff Doc (credits to Bricky)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18B1-SKG3toG0oH0VhOWC5o-cG9u0STAN92QvmbhTDto/edit?usp=sharing

The Canon Lore Doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10ZWJRGiJSrIXgDvJ4pST61moZbVB_hBExUjOaF-pmOE/edit?usp=sharing

The Theory Vault
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-SOY_5WrhQ2ftVZEM9VMBsz92-n_53kBzQoHKmY2-24/edit?usp=sharing

Sky Leitmotifs
https://docs.google.com/document/d/19p_7mI1bI4fxKBk5ogVJCTsU7hzLJejqBgQTSJDAjuo/edit?usp=sharing

[half shadow]

Ah yeah, I figured “he” wasn’t actually a character and was more of a theory, or that the guardian of Eden might be meant to be him. (and thank you lol i made it myself) Edit: Thank you for the links!

[hushed steeple]

“King and Prince still exist in the game but how is up to interpretation” he exist, but only sorta. Basically he and megabird are the entirety of the lore, and also pretty well cut/hidden.

[half shadow]

I’d seen the “megabird” pop up in theorizing a lot on Tumblr but I’m still not super sure on what it is, also the name Resh? I got confused because I didn’t think any spirits actually had names but guess I’ll find out spending the next few hours hyperfixating on these docs!

[hushed steeple]

Resh is the cut name for king. All elders have concept art names based on hebrew alphabet!

[nimble ingot]

all spirits have names, you can see them when you interact with them.

Resh is the old (fanon) name for the king/eden elder, who is not present in the game.
Megabird is the divine deity in the game (giver of light and life)

[hushed steeple]

Heres some various Megabird concept arts and like 4 or so actual images from the final game.

[half shadow]

Oh my god I feel like my minds been blown. This is so cool thank you!!

[nimble ingot]

welcome to lore chat, lol

[icy spruce]

Haallllooo, what’s the topic?

Ohohooh, lore moffs :))))))))

[nimble ingot]

introducing lore

[orchid jolt]

ALRIGHT ENOUGH THINKING! I'M BACK AND IMMA BOUT TO DROP THE IQ OF THIS WHOLE CHANNEL TO THE NEGATIVES!

oh we still introducing lore? I'll wait then

[half shadow]

just now realized “moff” means moth and that’s adorable

[hushed steeple]

And if it loads right, this is my favorite concept art pin
https://imgur.com/a/9T4PmQC

Tom Zhaos website also stellar.

[nimble ingot]

I think you can go ahead @orchid jolt

[orchid jolt]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message
#lore-discussion-spoilers message
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

OH MY GOSH

WE COULD'VE HAD A BROKEN MASK TO WEAR!!! LIKE THE ILSE AND VAULT ELDERS!!

[nimble ingot]

Cracked masks sounds great.
Same goes to the return of patterned capes.

[orchid jolt]

we need the cracked mask and the ability to wear the metalic masks over other base design masks!

[hushed steeple]

I have various sketches of all the cosmetics I liked from concept art. I collect them like stamps :]

[high bison]

Concept cosmetics are goated

[orchid jolt]

ive seen the request to be able to wear the metal stuff with base masks in wishlist and ideas so many times. i think there may be a problem with coding that in at this point. it seems like they wanted that too as the crasked mask is wearing a metal add on. OH WAIT A SECOND! WHAT IF THE METAL ADD ON WAS SUPPOSED TO BE PART OF THE HORN SECTION OF THE CLOSET?!! since the closets have the horns on them

[hushed steeple]

Lookit the mask

Honestly it just looks like metal frame overlayed over a stone mask.

[orchid jolt]

yah

[tropic isle]

This might sound schewpid, but até the Elders like.... Dead?

[lofty totem]

No they’re just in limbo

[tropic isle]

What u mean with that

[high bison]

Maybe they’re gods?

[gloomy osprey]

they’re existing on a different plane

that’s why you meditate before you are able to see them, you’re astral-projecting to them in some sort of mindscape

[tropic isle]

Like, in the beggining cutcsene, the lights, that ARE supposed tô represent the temples of each área, kinda disapear with the Eden being more of a special disapearance

[gloomy osprey]

what lol

[orchid jolt]

that metal overlay is definatly what the closet horns were for

[high bison]

Don’t you do that with all the spirits? Once you’ve freed them at least and they return to the stars, you can communicate with them and exchange gifts

[gloomy osprey]

you don’t meditate to all spirits no

[orchid jolt]

also, isle elder was apparently god

[gloomy osprey]

you’re able to relive spirits memories once you free them from their darkened husk. With elders you meditate at their respective temples and are transported to a different place.

[high bison]

Well I mean, yeah, but the location you are in doesn’t seem to change
The elders are probably showing you a vision of sorts

[tropic isle]

1 STARS representing the temples
2 everyone gone other than Eden
3 Eden's special poof

[hushed steeple]

That mural, I take as the forming of the storm over the land.

[gloomy osprey]

that’s an interesting point you make, especially considering the fact that eden is actually the most affected place by the corruption and the elders temples are mostly intact

[orchid jolt]

of course, all of the elders were gods in some concept art

[tropic isle]

Chibi moth uwu

[hushed steeple]

3. Bell.

Belonging family gods confirmed

[gloomy osprey]

I want to say that too, but eden contains the brunt of the storm and the other locations are fine (besides GW)

[orchid jolt]

haha

[tropic isle]

Yeah that makes me stop tô think, what happened in the Wasteland?, Sure theres Darkness, but why IS It só much, like, EDENS LEVEL

Also kill me i said uwu

[gloomy osprey]

The wasteland is the stopgap before eden, given that the vault is for some considered as a “dream” and not real

[high bison]

Or just tightly closed off from the storm outside, either way it makes sence

[hushed steeple]

Inside eden mountain. Memory cube projections.

[tropic isle]

Ok, i think im conviced that the Vault IS something dream-ish considering starlight desert IS a thing

[gloomy osprey]

i don’t think they are unrelated, the pipes run from eden to the wasteland, i think the heart of the corruption inside of eden is spilling into the wasteland

[tropic isle]

ubisoft season

[gloomy osprey]

i wish we could see this.. also do we know if the sandcastle currently at Home is modelled after one of the locations in game?

[high bison]

Sky world map:

[tropic isle]

Also while candle runnin found this, maybe irrelevant, but who knows

Look tô the symbol in the pillar

[high bison]

Eyes

[tropic isle]

none of them loooks like this, not even the next one, season of flight looks like It,

Or maybe im dumb.

[graceful oasis]

All the seasons symbols mean something since they mostly use around locations of where the seasons happen

[tropic isle]

[icy spruce]

AND WELCOME BACK TO…

CHAT GOT KRILLED (SEASON 2)

[harsh pecan]

Oh wow

[icy spruce]

I’m your host, and it’s been quite a while since CGK had an episode! BUT WE”RE BACK with a new contestant

[harsh pecan]

Nice

[icy spruce]

YEETSAMA! WITH A SCORE OF 24 MINUTES THEY ARE CROWNED….2ND PLACE!!!

And that’s all for now, see you next time in….CHAT GOT KRILLEEDDDD

cue ads

[lofty void]

LORE CHAT

MY FORMER MOTHS WANT TO LEARN SKY LORE I NEED THE LORE DOCS AND STUFF, STAT

[orchid jolt]

@lofty void here you go!

[icy spruce]

DARN IT I WAS TOO SLOW, NOOOOOO

[lofty void]

s u r e

[north sun]

great! should i send you the friend qr code?

[lofty void]

but we gotta keep heart trades and such out of the server since the rules say so

[north sun]

oh okay

[harsh pecan]

Tell them about the King

[lofty void]

i will :)))

[icy spruce]

HELLO, HEART TRADING IS ILLEGAL HERE

[lofty void]

ye s, please smite me now

[tropic isle]

Só long story short, the king IS the Eden's Elder and Dark bois said, hey come tô meeeeeee, king said ooooooohhhhhhh im in, but the funny light megabird said stop, then the king said no tô that and went with dark bois, só dark bois went to other areas and now se are here any questions?

[icy spruce]

Actually, we don’t know the Eden elder (they might not even be King)

[neat flint]

Oo

[tropic isle]

Ok im getting confused, why do you say they, sure might bê 2 or 3 Eden Elders(like in the valley) but still, why?

[stoic finch]

They is a no specific gender.

[icy spruce]

Dw, canon lore is so darn vague

Nobody knows Eden elder (aside from them being far from saved) and that’s basicalk the only thing we know about them

[tropic isle]

Ohhhhh, i see, i normally read they as a multiple pronoun, k then

[stoic finch]

That's how I take the explanation, I could be completely off.

[icy spruce]

Yeah, Elders in general doesn’t’ have a gender

Nah, don’t have any questions

[tropic isle]

Ok só but now IS lore time, anyone hás A N Y question that i could possibly longstoryshort it?

[graceful oasis]

Hey, what are Winged lights

[icy spruce]

Winged lights are imprints of someone (prolly King or Prince, but that’s just a theory A SKY THEORY)

[tropic isle]

Long Story Short,só the STARS Felt from the sky......... Thats it

Nothing more or Else, Just STARS from the funny light megabird that felt

Now, any more questions?

No?

[icy spruce]

No

[stoic finch]

Long story shorts come off a bit rude no? Lol

thatgamecompany has referred to these glowing children as "Imprints of the Children of Light,"

[pastel brook]

Spirits are certainly very, very odd

[tropic isle]

No, because its tô litteraly tô get a complex and long story and makes It simple and easy tô readers tô understand

[icy spruce]

O

I should re-read canon doc I forgot about that

[stoic finch]

In the early versions of the game, the Winged Light were called Stars. You are likely going to hear Winged Light called Stars by veteran players, especially those who were in the beta prior to global launch.

[icy spruce]

Oh, that actually changed WLs are not stars anymore

[stoic finch]

Oh interesting.

[tropic isle]

Yeah, It makes sense tô bê callled imprits since sky kid's are made from the Same thing they are, difference is, Winged lights werent intencional, therefore not developed, Just waiting tô return to the giant chicken

[icy spruce]

Lmao, giant chicken ur not wrong tho

[tropic isle]

I think It would look like a chicken

Ok imma sleep night

The Season Of Ubisoft

[harsh pecan]

Ubisoft?

[stark marten]

The Gratitude symbol looks a bit like the Ubisoft logo (both swirly circles)

[harsh pecan]

Ohh

[graceful oasis]

I honestly think by the meaning of imprints of skykids, they are leftover scattered light from other winged skykids that were save and still provide more light to those locations to allow others to truly fly and to give back to others that have their light unlit

[pastel brook]

A dark plant is something you will never, never be able to get rid of if you attend to it too late. It spreads over the entire realm. It bores clear through it with its roots. And if the realm is too small, and the dark plants are too many, they split it in pieces . . .

[graceful oasis]

Skybot into the Krill action you go

[digital vector]

Does anyone have YouTube recommendations dealing with sky lore?

[graceful oasis]

No real videos explaining sky lore but the introduction to sky the game and the Nintendo switch trailer can help get a start

[gilded spoke]

I wish there was though :[

[shy brook]

So, since the next season was revealed, anybody theorizing how it will effect the lore?

I think that it will explain why we wear capes in sky and why our ancestors wore capes.

[trail oyster]

why do skykids

have white hair

[pastel brook]

One time I saw forty FIVE sunsets!

[tender kayak]

I think it'll explain things about light creatures……

And about white hair i must to say it maybe just because it's a global game

[gilded fossil]

/eek, im not accepting that explaination

/i mean, tru tho--- but
Maybe something in-world, like their hair is made from the spaghetti from the door in eden?
Or the stars

[nimble ingot]

White hair could mean thatv it is made of light ina similar way the capes are theoretically made of light?

Why it could be the case is when a skykid's light goes out, they loose their hair too.

[pastel brook]

Have you seen my crab?

[nimble ingot]

Nope, though if it was a big one, then I have some bad news.... :(

[autumn crater]

Do you hear the butterflies and skykid whisper when flying?

[gloomy osprey]

Each elder is in their constellation, the king is on the crown constellation

he’s the only person on the eden constellation so who else is gonna be the elder

[neat flint]

Next season reveal??? Where

[icy spruce]

I know, I mean’t we don’t know who really is the Eden elder. If it’s King, Prince, or a totally separate entity that’s not King/Prince

[gloomy osprey]

The crown kinda gives it away to be royalty i think

[shadow mesa]

i think winged lights are more the souls of other kids marinating in eden, similar to how the spirits work

[pastel brook]

@shadow mesa Draw me a crab!

[icy spruce]

Cool

[shadow mesa]

the first curved foot was on accident but i just went with it

[icy spruce]

Spider crab

[sick lava]

is he eating something? oh, yknow the story of Adam? maybe something like that?

[gloomy osprey]

I think for sure they were greedy and maybe tried to turn the ascent light into a power source

[heady sequoia]

lol

[hushed steeple]

..hello person from another planet, how many hours did that took to chill with your creb just to watch a sunset?.. 🤔

Edit: 🗿 I noticed it was lore chat srry

[restive cosmos]

Hi

[nimble ingot]

Hi red cape.
You selling boats now?

[agile vector]

Okay, this is something I’m kinda confused on. So I was thinking about how the Sky kids were created. Did like a star fall and land on a child? Or did like the spirit of a kid fall from Eden and then was able to collect the light? This is so confusing

[nimble ingot]

Hmm.
Since we dont see exactly how the skykid lands up close.
Though we do see a ball of sparkling light fall to the ground, and the skykid gets up off the ground.

In ushering stargazers memory, shows a falling star, or a light that shimmers like a magical star would (obviously ignoring real world laws about stars being ginormous balls of fire and gas, lol).
So, in short, the skykid likely arrives in a burst of light and star dust. And the skykid appears in the landing spot.
I'd imagine the skykid was but a ball of stardust, which then materialises into the the stone like body (or whatever they are made of) that is a vessel of the light they carry.

[agile vector]

Huh…. I mean it makes a lot of sense. Lol why is it so confusing

[nimble ingot]

maybe because it is a unique event in sky and even if it is a fictional place, there is not a lot of other sources that does it?

It is the best what I can think of.
If anything, it is similar to how Journey sends the player back to the start. As the wayfarer (the player) returns to the start in a ball of light.

[vernal stratus]

I always assumed it was ourselves fusing back with our own soul. Especially since right after that we get a life force back.

[trail oyster]

he looks ronaldo copying khaby lame

[hushed steeple]

I’m working on a little AU for Sky, and wanted to ask how you guys are treating the current season. Just a crossover event that doesn’t matter for lore?

[trail oyster]

this is what i meant

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xokII-JAQ8V8RxztrCPb9VtgNzBHAT9e-394t4jvWo8/edit

I made a lore doc it's unfinished but hey, it's somethin

[half shadow]

Does anybody have a picture of the concept art that shows the unofficial official Elder names?

[nimble ingot]

here you go

[half shadow]

Thanks so much!

[arctic sequoia]

Idk if this counts as lore but since us skykids reincarnate and be reborn how come the ancestors cant anymore? Or the other spirits

[pastel brook]

what is essential is invisible to the eye

[half shadow]

I think that the sky kids are somehow imbued with the power of Light in a way that the spirits before weren’t, possibly even being born out of light itself

[dense fractal]

i like to this that the race of ancestors and sky kids are different! our ancestors could only manipulate light since their bodies were more human-like, while we were made to vessel them!

[arctic sequoia]

Ooooh! That makes sense yeah :0!

[half shadow]

yeah, they are specifically called ancestors aint they? which implies a long span of time between them and current sky kids

[arctic sequoia]

It would also explain why the anscestors are diffrent colored to i think unlike the spirits theyre not like transluscebt with stars

[dense fractal]

there's also this nice theory i had about how we're able to see their memories scattered throughout! since they're able to manipulate light, they were able to preserve the light around them when certain key points of their lives happened, thus we could see how certain things happened even while they're gone because the light surrounding them was molded into these hologram like thingies! carry spirits are more corrupted versions of the regular ones (where you just walk to where the next event/cutscene occurs) and they need extra guidance when looking for their next cutscene-ish

[arctic sequoia]

Yeyeye! :0

Is there any lore on the eden anscestor that we havnt seen in game

Itd be rly cool to know more bout him like a ling corrupted by darkness

[nimble ingot]

@arctic sequoia
There are no ancestors (as in spirits) in eden.
There is plenty of theories about him in the lore docs.
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[modern cedar]

next season was revealed? 👀
gimme

aaahhh i see

oohh yeah i remember seeing this on youtube actually. i thought it was like. announced announced

[rigid mural]

I mean, not sure oob places offer much more than beautiful visuals or the possibility to take a selfie with an elder (rofl) either, I have yet to hear of one with lore.

[hushed steeple]

Please remove pspsp
Im pretty sure its not allowed, even in spoiler tags

[jovial sail]

the elemental elders:
daleth: god of light, the beginning, and hope, and play

ayin: god of earth, peace, and the east

teth: goddess of water, craft, and the north

sah and mekh: gods of the wind, sports, and the west

tsadi: god of fire, war, and the south

lamed: goddess of the dark, the end, knowledge, and sleep

it makes sense since the elders are basically spirits that have ascended to demigods

[icy spruce]

What’s the topic

[mint widget]

idk

[hushed steeple]

Heres some photos of vaults headpiece lol

[restive cosmos]

Yes,but not ships

[modern cedar]

ok idk where else this would go so here's a narrowed-down list of possible TS based on the rules we know so far

[rigid mural]

(I really need the respectful pianist mask since yesterday...)

[dapper pagoda]

wait. the ones thzt have gone recently can't go again, due to cooldown

[modern cedar]

i dont know if the cooldown has a specific length, so i left that out
the 3 rules so far are no repeats, no current season spirits and no previous season spirits.

[dapper pagoda]

hmm. at least 5 travelling spirits would be reasonable, mayb 6 or 7

and spirits who have gone 2+ times have a lower chance (cept sassy i guess)

[modern cedar]

what's been the shortest time between the return of any one spirit? i could use that as a base and maybe highlight out less likely ones in yellow

[dapper pagoda]

ooh, uh

i dont know, actually. closest i know was around 5 months??? lemme ask

[icy spruce]

I’m sorry but this is lore chat, I think the most appropriate chat is #seasons-events-chat or #questions-and-help ??? Idk ._.

[modern cedar]

ooh i didnt know i couod send images there

[tropic isle]

Hello gamers, whats up

[icy spruce]

Nothing, chat’s dead

[tropic isle]

Love when people dont comunicate for 24 minutes straight

Also, i found a funny symbol, again

[icy spruce]

Cool

[tropic isle]

On top of the hill

[icy spruce]

Ye

[pseudo heart]

Here's a clearer pic, it's been a topic a few times here. It's a similar symbol to and the symbols seen in the beginning of Valley's races

[tropic isle]

I dont feel belonged here

[half shadow]

I thought that may be some form of royal crest, maybe. Considering it’s very present in the Valley, which appears to be a typical coliseum

[icy spruce]

Thanks, I forgot to save this

I mean, diamonds are everywhere in Sky and uh maybe Diamonds symbolize snthng important????

[tropic isle]

Where did the season of belonging took place?

[half shadow]

There’s a lot of interesting geometry in the worlds that I wish I had a mathy enough brain to identify, but I’m just a dang artist that goes “hehe, lookit shapes”

[icy spruce]

Hmm….hmm

[pseudo heart]

It followed the all-realm format of Gratitude until Rhythm but I guess the main area is Forest's Sunny Forest, the dining area treehouse there used for the final cutscene

[tropic isle]

hahahahhahahahhAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Im só happy now

[orchid jolt]

I've actually liked that theory for a while, here look:
https://discord.com/channels/@me/833497484311396402/871458281783164980

oh yeah, also the glowey boy we hug is always the same size as us. even when we use a resize potion in the room with them, they change size

[modern cedar]

THE WIKI/LORE DOCS LIED. SANCTUARY CRABS ARE NOT FRIENDLY

[icy spruce]

Oh, it’s on the pther island

The one outside, not the ones in the cave, those are friendly crabs. I can lead u there if u want

[orchid jolt]

It also looks like the forest elder mask/apologetic lumberjack

[modern cedar]

ohhh i see now. there are bad and good ones

[orchid jolt]

Oh you found them? Or do you need a pic of their location? Sanctuary contains both friendly and non-friendly but they actually both will help each other to get up

ok then lol

[modern cedar]

theres literalyl nothing out on that island besides the crabs so i havent even been out there since sanctuary

[orchid jolt]

if you want to run the test, be careful not to drop the crabs (piggyback helps) and they may despawn when u place them

[shadow mesa]

theyre the only crabs in a sunny canon area if i remember right

so light pacifies crabs, which isnt good for their diet i bet considering they attack you for some reason. we havent seen them nest so i have to assume they "eat" your life force

feed the crabs >:3

[restive cosmos]

Ironic

[icy spruce]

Indeed

[rigid mural]

"From an alchemist's perspective" uuuuhhhh did you mean a chemist ? Because alchemy is the esoteric part of chemistry, diamonds refracting light isn't really a symbol for anything...

[icy spruce]

Eh, idk I just got it from google

[rigid mural]

Diamonds are overall a symbol of almost magical sturdiness, see how diamond tools and armor in video games are almost all of the time renowned for being unbreakable.

You could do a reach here and say that dark stone, if it has diamond properties (because the diamond shape in Sky is synonymous to dark stone), could symbolize refusing to bend; a formidable characteristic in a lot of cases, but not so much when trying to connect with different people (stubbornly holding onto one's biases for example).

Check out these design notes by Tom Zhao, a diamond would easily fit in the right side of the graphic.

[restive cosmos]

*Minecraft flashbacks

[sick lava]

pppfttt🤣

[high bison]

I’m gonna do a funny and connect it to the hecking evolution and anatomy of Sky’s creatures
Light creatures like manta would be soft and delicate. Because they are blessed and connected to other creatures and flame. They have no reason to fight, and instead would share energy with one another.

Dark creatures like Krill are not connected like this, and are deaf to those around them. They would evolve things like hard exterior, teeth and claws because they would view all other creatures as either food, a threat, or nothing of importance, not too dissimilar to territorial animals of the real world.

Light spreads energy around. It flows like a river. while darkness absorbs energy and doesn’t give it back, it’s locks it down like a vault.

[half shadow]

I like this fella

[split rose]

Also somewhat related but am I the only one that thought krill kinda looked like withered skeletons of the biggest manta when they first saw them? Or is that just me pfft

[half shadow]

There’s definitely similarities between the larger creatures, like the whales. As a side note; I’m a mega marine biology geek and it made me happy to realize that almost all of the creatures in Sky were based on marine life (save for, yaknow, butterflies and birds)

[nimble crater]

Oreo is the real mastermind afterall

[high bison]

Everyone thinks he’s the Prince but I beg to differ
His funny helmet doesn’t look extravagant enough

[boreal nebula]

[naive sequoia]

He's missing a few god rays

[naive sequoia]

That's ominous

[nimble ingot]

ooh, what is this?

[naive sequoia]

That is indeed a very nice theory

[naive sequoia]

As a skykid that has light for a soul, I don't like the idea of being refracted

[nimble ingot]

refract
verb
(of water, air, or glass) make (a ray of light) change direction when it enters at an angle.
"the rays of light are refracted by the material of the lens"
measure the focusing characteristics of (an eye) or of the eyes of (someone).
"when refracting patients an ophthalmologist relies on verbal reports"

It might not be the skykids being refracted, though doing the refraction.

What if the meaning of that symbology applied to the life cycle of skykids, means that even though whatever us skykids are doing to the world is not immediately noticeable, though would slowly change over time and with more skykids ascending through Eden.

[naive sequoia]

ooh is that so

Must've misunderstood refraction in science skskskks

[nimble ingot]

at least in theory

[high bison]

Don’t Sky kids have normal souls? They’re blue, like the spirits, but they have an inner flame on top of it

That’s why you don’t immediately poof when your flame goes out

[nimble ingot]

Strangely enough, the blue sprite (spirit) of skykids only appear in Eden.
Though this may be an oversight of the game, because it can be assumed that a skykid is not intended to die outside of Eden.

[high bison]

You see sky kid souls when you select a friend in the constellation table and it’s blue

Also, le concept art:

[nimble ingot]

oh yeah, good point. 🙂
Also when a skykid flaps (or uses up a cape wedge), their light flashes blue for a moment.

[hushed steeple]

Oh really? Wow I didn't know.

[toxic siren]

where can I get the original pic of the map ? the compression made it blury.

[nimble ingot]

How you can do it is with opening the image in google chrome, do an image search.
Here is a high definition image, credit to Tom Zhao:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/0e/63/cd/0e63cdfc526fc7d5d0b2ee45445f9633.jpg

[rigid mural]

👀 tempted to draw a map of the place before the cataclysm

[hushed steeple]

I'm wondering how the kingdom fell.

[orchid jolt]

The two worlds are seperate and had no impact on each other but now are connected through the starlight desert. They had no impact on each other's past but may impact each other's future.

[marsh ravine]

Sometimes when I'm in certain areas in certain Wastelands and I flap next to a wall or something, I have a brief panic attack.

[icy spruce]

What’s the topic?

[dense fractal]

I'm like almost 1 day late but here's my take on the little prince and how it affects lore!( i won't be going into too much depth with all the other spirits )

personally drunkard's lore as we see in their cutscene strikes me the most. we do know for the fact that the polluted / dark water we see in game causes us to lose our light. this wouldn't be the case to our ancestors/spirits tho, as they're entirely different species! knowing this, we could say that the dark water could somehow affect them in a bad way , too? like losing their memories?? (which is why even with my theory that the reason why we can relive ancestor memories, we can not see all of their memories because they've been corrupted by the dark water)

drunkard specifically says "he drinks to forget" and once asked what he's forgetting about he doesn't remember. now we know for a fact there isn't any other type of liquid being used other than the clear and dark water, it could've been their "drink" back in the day.

i think this is a great world build for the kingdom of sky

[compact shale]

Hmmm... I wonder... if Wasteland used to be a bunch of factories, are those rivers of dark water still waste...? Or are they products/sellable byproducts of other work?

[nimble ingot]

The drunkard's lines are that he drink the dark water to forget that he is ashamed of drinking dark water.
This may be the game's way of being diplomatic with explaining that the drunkard is addicted to drinking dark water.

Since he is in season of the little prince, it may help with knowing where the character in the game drew inspiration from.
In the Little Prince, there is a similar character with the same name, who also drinks to forget because he is ashamed of drinking.
Analysing the book reveals that the character is "trapped by his past mistakes," according to (study.com).

Knowing how the drunkard in the book applies to the spirit, one can deduce that the spirit is also trapped in a loop of reliving his past mistakes that includes excessively drinking.
The spirit in Sky has some differences from the character in the book. the spirit is dead, carries chains, wears a cape and clothing that suggests he is related to the military (warrior) class in sky.
This is further supported by the appearance of other militaristic spirits in his memories.

Based on how the cape is tattered, which can theoretically imply that the spirit either failed to be a soldier/warrior, fled a battle, disobeyed orders or lost a war. Either way, the character could be a reflection of what happened in the war of Sky, though the spirit itself might not be involved in the war.

[pastel brook]

Few sky children remember themselves as moths

[distant turtle]

It's a magazine article illustration about seances, but it reminded me of sky

[toxic siren]

tysm @nimble ingot

[nimble ingot]

One theory about the dark water in wasteland could be it being a waste product of the diamond production process that polluted the water, in theory.

[compact shale]

Hmmmm... is any of the lore in TLP even supposed to be applied here? Collabs tend to be noncanon, after all...

[nimble ingot]

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/05/31/why-did-so-many-victorians-try-to-speak-with-the-dead

Something like this one?

[dense fractal]

this is a very interesting take!

[distant turtle]

Haha yes exactly

[marsh ravine]

Slightly larger version, from Tom Zhao's website: https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5cf9836e9d1c5200018df596/1582059395300-BJT567U3YIF8FS7B6TCO/133d_Sky.jpg

[distant turtle]

I think so, because dark water is TLP lore but in terms of Sky world

Like how sky bot has been quoting TLP but substituting Sky terms

[nimble ingot]

In part, yes. Though not directly.
Similar to crossovers, both universes would not effect each other directly. But they give insight to both world from a different perspective.

How I would apply the lore found in the season is by identifying what parts are from the book, what parts are recognised as part of Sky. And then see what is left behind.
For example with the drunkard.
In the book, he drinks to forget and trapped in a loop of being ashamed at his mistakes.
In Sky, he is a spirit that has militaristic looks and interacts with dark water and other spirits.
What is left that the spirit wants to forget his past mistakes which could suggest the war in wasteland, or the trauma the spirit faced in battle.

Hope this helps.

[rigid mural]

I think it's just that they wouldn't put booze in the game (because in the original book it is), but as I said to my friends, you could do a reach here.
If dark plants are despair/death (see tearful miner) then it would make sense for alcoholism to use similar symbols (in that spirit's case they definitely got something else going on besides loving to drink).

...dark plant wine ?

[nimble ingot]

yes.
One way to go about analysing the lore in the season is taking away details directly referring the book.
Taking note of details from Sky and then comparing both halves to see what applies to being lore, and what parts are references to the book.

[rigid mural]

Behold, un-darked plant. (it's hop)

[dense fractal]

yes! the corruption arc could start of just a small pond filled with dark water, someone drank it and were like oH YEAH THIS TASTES GOOD but didn't realize the side effects later on and thus became the booze they drank on to forget certain things.

it ties up with how we sky kids get our light drained by stepping into it because most of our expression to communicate [emotes] come from our ancestors who manipulated it and are now a part of it. they lose their memories and we lose our way to guide children back home.

[rigid mural]

Ancestors are a part of...? We see them on our way to Orbit, they're okay after we free them from their fossilized corpse though

[dense fractal]

part of the light! sorry i forgot to check . though we do not lose the memories we collect, we do lose the flame/light that is technically the fuel to reawaken them.

[nimble ingot]

Hi guys.
Just to give a heads up about malicious links.
Some of them may affect discord accounts.

Please be careful and keep safe out there.

[hushed steeple]

Can krill be domesticated or are they feral or sworn enemies of cotl

[nimble ingot]

They are corrupted, they now hunt light creatures and aggressive to skykids.
They might be helped in the future.

[hushed steeple]

Were they forcefully corrupted or was it a mistake they made? Is there a sort of like therapy ig that could make em better and back to their original form before they were corrupted? Or were they born in corruption? Only made to destroy, but by who?

[trail oyster]

I have a theory that we skykids are a mix between winged lights and spirits. When we die we can see we look like spirit blue and like spirits in the temple, however we essentially run on lights which is baiclaly the existance of wls

[half shadow]

Domesticated krill would be fantastic, I can’t tell you how many times I’ve tried to ride one

[nimble ingot]

In theories, as the darkness started to spread in Sky, the light creatures become corrupted by it.
Whether this corruption came from the elders using dark stone, or the spirits polluting the world, or even both, is open for debate.

[trail oyster]

you fall through them

[hushed steeple]

Just wanna give them pets and hear em purr, they seem cool

[half shadow]

I wish for a noble crustacean-adjacent steed

[hushed steeple]

Just hope they were born into suffering and don’t actually WANT to hurt others. Do they have sentience? They seem like large creatures who could form a brain so morals and emotions are what i wonder about

[trail oyster]

If you see in the concept art the areas closer to eden get more and more mountainous. There is probably a correalation between the more industrialised areas and the mountains. Perhaps protection, as a barrier? If anything, it's kind of Ironic. despite the fact that the valley is called the valley, it is one of the areas in sky with the highest altitude (except for eden of course), whereas the golden wasteland is more of a pit really, it's more valley than the valley of triumph.

[toxic siren]

this is much better thank you

[half shadow]

Oh speaking of concept art, is there any place where all of it has been posted?

[trail oyster]

https://www.tomzhao.com/sky1 feast your eyes

[hushed steeple]

What do the krill think of us? Negative or positive ??Whats their side of the story, or their adventures and trials and tribulations?
Do krill have family? Or are they beings that aren’t organic?

[trail oyster]

I fell like we should imagine krills more as vampires. The proof that they were once light creatures is the colour of their search lights. However, another reason for that colour could be for bait. It is spirit blue, after all, and as they know that we are out there to free spirits, and also we're the most easily accessible sources of light because we move and stuff, they probably use and yeet our light as maybe a way of a) keeping themselves alive or b) trying to find a way to turn themselves back into light creatures. I believe B is a more feasible answer because it's what crabs do too.

[hushed steeple]

It seems counterproductive to have a eyesight beam giving away if you’re being seen or not? Was this something they had genetically or were they altered and made more for security and guards?

Are elders dead or are they like guardians? Deities that were made to watch over

[distant turtle]

Real world equivalent of light mining

[rigid mural]

Technically valleys can be sandwiched between mountains, the name might refer to the races being giant slides.

I don't think it's worth overthinking what krills want more than the reason they are here; they follow a regular loop on their territory, which is almost exclusively areas close to the storm. Makes me think of the pokemon Sigilyph which still follows its ancient patrol route, but moving on I think they weren't born from the cataclysm (what corrupted creatures and killed the ancestors) since one is depicted in the Cave of Prophecy murals.

My theory is that they might be patrolling; in the concept art the light creatures attacked the kingdom because it blocked the way to Eden and/or hunted them for the light. Considering the first krill we meet attacks a manta, it's possible they simply attack us for being made of light (does this mean the ancestors and elders aren't "luminous" enough to be a blip on their radar ? probably).

[nimble ingot]

Would a krill attack a spirit?

I'll test it out and will report back with the answer.

[languid pendant]

doesnt sneak stance spirit in graveyard get targetted by a krill

[frozen pivot]

frog

[nimble ingot]

The cutscene show the spirit hiding from krill. Though good point. 👍

Neither spirit memory or the spirit sprite (the follow and drag along memories) are targeted by krill.
This is likely to avoid krill interupting memories though. As @languid pendant mentioned, the spirits had encountered krill and avoided them.

On the otherhand, the drag along spirit (the sprite I was calling it) can get attcak by crabs, if I recall correctly.

[frozen pivot]

stationary memories can also be drained by crabs, not only the guided memories

[nimble ingot]

Really? I did not know that.
thanks, @frozen pivot

[frozen pivot]

same with krills, they dont target them but they can drain them

[latent moss]

It might be a stupid question, but why the face of the elder of the first portal isn't in the eden door?

[lofty void]

Isle elder is retired 🙂👍 (jk idk)

[latent moss]

It triggers me so much

[stark marten]

From what I can remember seeing before, the gate was designed back when Isle was still like mainly a tutorial level and so wasn't considered to be as big of a deal as the other realms I think, so it got left off from the other elders in the group. And I guess it just hasn't been updated since then

[hushed steeple]

As laurethon said, it's cuz isle was seen as more of a tutorial realm than an 'actual' one so they didn't include it.
but lore-wise theres a few theories, one i remember is that the realm elders used their powers to keep the eden door shut and keep the king from escaping. And isle elder just wasn't there. That's as much as I can remember, i havent been in this chat for a while 🤷

[half shadow]

Isle elder is the most powerful elder because they’re a grandpa with a big stick

[vast tundra]

Do you guys think the universe of Journey is connected to Sky's

[hushed steeple]

I heard they actually could because of little details in sky they have pointed it out

[hushed steeple]

canonically no cuz copyright 🥴

[vast tundra]

Aw

[hushed steeple]

dw, it can be our little secret
reality can be whatever we want it to be

[frozen pivot]

frog

[nimble ingot]

Sky drew some influence from Journey. Though that may not mean that the world of Journey is connected to that of Sky.
There are plenty of similarities though.

[rigid mural]

Ohhh got me there, completely forgot about it.

[half shadow]

I think I remember someone talking about seeing a file in sky named “lampsIstolefromJourney” or something along those lines and it made me laugh

[rigid mural]

Yeah there's also rocksIstolefromJourney

[half shadow]

devs be like Adapt, Improvise, Overcome

[dry ivy]

Woah!! A map!! How cool! I love being able to to see how the areas are connected to each other

[dry ivy]

You know, do we ever see them EAT our light, though? A skid gets hit and the WL just gets thrown out of them. Then, if not collected, they disappear. So whether this is just a gameplay function or evidence that krill don’t really eat the light is kinda not clear to me

You see, in Journey, when your traveler gets hit by a Guardian, we see them actually TEAR off our traveler’s scarf. So, it’s pretty clear that they take their target’s light. I’d think TGC would try to make this clearer with the krills similar to this if they actually do eat our light...right?

[rigid mural]

Maybe they're like crabs and just hate you.

[dry ivy]

Mebbe so lol

[dry ivy]

Oh really? That’s hilarious! Now that I think about it the lamps DO look similar. I haven’t played Journey in a while...Let me see if I can find a pic

[rigid mural]

I heard of journey when it came out and recall being a bit frustrated I didn't have the console for it. Might watch a let's play, who knows.

[dry ivy]

Eh okay I can’t find a pic

[dry ivy]

Oh gosh I know that feeling. I actually begged my parents for a ps3 just so I could play that game alone.

Oh man I highly recommend it! It’s my fav game of whole time. It might be diff for you since you’re playing it after playing Sky, but it has a personality and atmosphere of its own—it feels very mysterious, sacred, and kidna lonely, but the connections made with a single player can feel more poignant in a way, especially since you can’t “chat”. Also, since it’s shorter and more focused on the Hero’s narrative in some ways than Sky, it has a tighter narrative in some ways...I have to say that I connected more with the ending in some ways than Sky’s, in that it actually made me cry (but Sky’s is very beautiful too!!)

[half shadow]

crackpot theory incoming: the Journey travelers are skykid’s parents

[marsh ravine]

I played it later (very recently) and I can't imagine playing it when it first came out, when the whole multiplayer thing was a secret.

[dry ivy]

I actually propose don here before that maybe Skids are reincarnated Travelers. Once they learned about the past mistakes of their world and learn to connect with others, they get to be reincarnated as Skids to help heal Sky’s world...and they don’t do so for Journey’s since it’s world is in-healable.

[rigid mural]

Sky's ending got my jaw on the floor tbh. And I love flight too much to give it up 😔

[dry ivy]

I knew about the multiplayer thing when I first played, but the connection definitely feels more mysterious and some ways more tender in being silent and anonymous, in some ways

[marsh ravine]

I will admit I kinda don't opt in to chat on Sky just for some vestige of that feeling. Also typing on the Switch pains me greatly.

[rigid mural]

What is it about pristine ruins endlessly spinning in a huge storm, like the silver lining of the darkest days, that get me by the feels like this...

[dry ivy]

Yeah! It definitely is quite beautiful! My exp might’ve been negatively impact by the glitch I was of my joycon drift it sorta distracted me from being in the moment

[dry ivy]

Oh gosh I know. I’m tempted to get the app on my iPhone to be able to chat when I want to

[half shadow]

I feel this. It’s also very likely to run into players who don’t speak the same language, so I usually just default to emoting. I haven’t really come up across a situation that I felt like I needed to type out a reply to somebody

[dry ivy]

Yeah...I just replayed it for the second time with a new buddy, and we just stood in front of the main entrance and stared at the scenery

[rigid mural]

I only chat with friends tbh, unless I'm bored and decide to bother people at a table.

[half shadow]

I also kind of live for the nonverbal communication through actions vs words that’s kind of the undercurrent of the game in general. Then when I see a big group of unknown players around a table all chatting I feel intimidated lol

[dry ivy]

Also as dumb as it sounds I was disappointed I didn’t see the King nor get to go in the castle so and maybe it’s because I’ve played Journey first and had that hit me in the feels first that Sky’s didn’t hit me in the same spot. But I still love it a lot

[rigid mural]

I actually like that there's space to interpret the lore personally. Exploring is my thing.

[dry ivy]

I get what you mean! But I also loved that I had a chance to chat with people in such a friendly place (having played Journey so much, it was neat to experience actually talking to those your traveled with in game!)

[half shadow]

I hope we get to see more of Eden someday. I know the lore is intentionally vague and for good reason, but at the same time I feel like there’s a lot of meat there still. I also am addicted to exploring new areas and currently I’ve gone through everything (I’m almost certain) in the world

[dry ivy]

Oh, same! That’s why I love hanging in this lore chat room, haha. And boy I was CRAZY about picking Journey’s lore apart when I first played. IT has such a special place in my heart, I still think about it lol

[rigid mural]

I suppose that the day the devs stop organizing seasons, they could make one last one that ties up loose ends.

[half shadow]

Whenever I super get into a thing my nature is to immediately start picking every little detail apart and analyzing all the scraps of lore I hadn’t gotten the first time around, and Sky is no different, but the setup of the game makes me feel a lot less ‘rushed’ about finding clear answers which is nice. TLDR: adhd brain go brrrr

[dry ivy]

SAAAME. I want to go inside the castle!!! I think I was a bit disappointed since the game seemed to put so much focus on the floating castle throughout the entire game. It just felt like a big message to me that said “you’re gonna go there at some point!!” And yeah I DID get to go to Eden (and it’s gorgeous) but when I zoomed past the castle without having a chance to go in it, I felt so sad lol

[half shadow]

skykid smacking against the Castle’s outside: OPEN. THE CASTLE. STOP. HAVING IT BE CLOSED.

[dry ivy]

HA EXACTLY! I have a bit of OCD, so it tends to come out with stuff like this? For better or for worse lol

[rigid mural]

Remember that 2019 oob, I saw the screenshots and BOY

[half shadow]

oob?

[rigid mural]

Out of bounds.

[nimble ingot]

Same, I almost wish the devs would leave relics or fractured terrain in the far reaches of Eden. Little nooks and crannies for skykids to scout out like a crumble ruins.

Come to think of it, why is it in the other realms, we can easily reach the clouds and charge up, but in Eden, we never get the chance?
Is it because the devs want us skykid to feel unsafe and have to be careful with their light as they cannot reach clouds to recharge?
Or is it implied that these clouds are too charged up and would hurt skykids?
I know that is not the case, otherwise any OOBs in Eden would have been a shocking experience, lol.

[nimble ingot]

Out of Bounds
Meaning you leave the playing area of the game to explore outside of the map.

[dry ivy]

WHAT IS THIS

[rigid mural]

Beta oob of Eden I think !

[half shadow]

OOOH right duh lol. My years of mmorpg linguistics failed me for a second. I absolutely love getting into little places like that (that don’t immediately knock me down with wind) and I once was so ambitious I ended up falling eternally through the bottom of the village of dreams in the valley. It was a humbling experience.

[dry ivy]

I know originally we were gonna meet the king and hug the prince or whatever. Are those vestiges of that?

[nimble ingot]

Imagine that is the 'bad ending' of the game.
Or even if you enter Eden at a certain time/day, you get this 'all hope is lost' version of Eden.

It is a shame that area did not last long between updates.

[dry ivy]

They just look like...corpses floating in the abyss

Whaaaat?!! There was a BAD ending?

[half shadow]

Didn’t last long…. scrapped content…. or maybe SECRET still planned content??????!!!?!? get the tinfoil hats out

[crimson knoll]

I heard each realm represents an emotions, can someone tell me which?

[marsh ravine]

Hey, I've fallen under the world in Village of Dreams dozens of times just doing normal stuff like trying to get that WL off the top of that mildly-tall tower...

[nimble ingot]

We do technically get to hug the prince in the current game, I think?

Whaaaat?!! There was a BAD ending?
And no, lol. I was just entertaining an idea. I have no idea what the blue eden is supposed to be.

[dry ivy]

Oh gosh I’ve had such glitches before. I’ve had ones where, in village when Im on a Sky lift boat, it just shoots me up high in the sky OOB and I have to fly all the way back done I have yet to type a report for it but I’m too lazy to do so

[wooden sentinel]

happens to me too! But i got distracted by the beauty of the sunset there

[dry ivy]

Oh haha, I see :

[nimble ingot]

Each realm represents a stage of life.
Isle of Dawn-Birth, Daylight Prairie-Childhood, Hidden Forest-Adolescence, Valley of Triumph-Adulthood, Golden Wastelands-Midlife, Vault of Knowledge-elderly and Eden-Death.

There is a mood chart that plotted out what each realm would be like. I'll find it.

[mint widget]

did not expect to see that tumblr post being talked abt in here lol

[rigid mural]

My headcanon, if those screens are still canon, is that this is the epicenter of the shock of whatever caused the storm. The elders are here and it wouldn't be a stretch to say the king too. Maybe he's emprisonned in that light beam, with the elder corpses spinning around...

[half shadow]

I think it’s the top sky post in the tag, or one of them

[crimson knoll]

thank you

[nimble ingot]

It really did look like it was far into development before the game changed course in its lore.

I really hope that would be revisited in the future.

[mint widget]

oh wow

[half shadow]

Yeah, it was my first time seeing anything Big Lore related for Sky and I was just like YO WHAT

[dry ivy]

Yeah, it actually is quite pretty up there hehe

Did this one ever happen to you?: watched cutscene for final skater girl quest...shows the candles in front of the statue in the arena to show em where to go next...and then the camera ZOOMS through, like an out of bounds camera, and the little I see seems to show it zooming through all the Sky levels (like, Daylight Prairie, the green stormy Krill area). Then I am taken here, out of bounds, can’t see my character, can’t move, with the only option to choose pants like I am in front of a wardrobe. I tried to Go Home to get out, then the camera zoomed weirdly again, and then the game crashed

I was stuck in a under cloud purgatory with the option to put on pants dangled in front of me lol

[rigid mural]

Background looks like the castle.

[dry ivy]

Man does this look so...eerily hellish.

[rigid mural]

Me @ this place: LET ME IN !!! LET ME IN !!!

[half shadow]

I’m obsessed with it I wanna go IN

[nimble ingot]

Funny enough, this happened once to me in vault.
I though I couldn't move too, but then asked a friend to lend me their skykid and find mine.

Mine was still there and could walk, but I was blind and can't interact with them.
I eventually had the friend hold onto me and I used their camera to blindly walk around. It worked, but I could not use the shrines, or get winged light (rip). I could go home and that ended the glitch.

Still not sure what triggered it, but sure is an odd bug.

[dry ivy]

It makes me think of when in a movie, before a dramatic explosion, it goes into slow-mode, Matrix style, showing everyone slowly being thrown by the beginning flare

And then BAM: we go back into real time and the everything turns into white

[rigid mural]

EXACTLY

[dry ivy]

Woah, that’s definitely a weird one.

I still need to send a report for this too lol

Man, imagining these glitches happening in real life sounds like a hellish encounter with the paranormal or something lol

[nimble ingot]

Found them: 🙂
https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5cf9836e9d1c5200018df596/1582059201500-TLU6351WEAMACWJNHPOB/058_Sky.jpg
https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5cf9836e9d1c5200018df596/1582059206452-QBQR52L1HZKKPOWK663S/058b_Sky.jpg

[rigid mural]

Does TGC teach students, I want what they have

[dry ivy]

This makes me think of Pixar’s color theory haha. I love seeing how creators think of using color to influence the audience . Isn’t it amazing how we react to color?

[nimble ingot]

yup, it only happened to me once and I don't know how it was triggered. ( I was afk for a moment while riding the elevator in vault).
If you do find out what triggered it and it happens again, then please do report it.
If that bug happens in dangerous places like wasteland's graveyard or Eden, then the skykid is in trouble till they go home.

[dry ivy]

Ooh, good point 🥶 It has only happened to me once too. But if it happens again, I’ll def report it

[nimble ingot]

Is this possible the Whurtle?
Even if it is a concept art, it might be it, or possible an elder whale??

Either way, it does look like a creature that is connected to the king and is not seen in the game currently.

[nimble ingot]

nevermind...

[dry ivy]

Oooooohhhhh. That looks so cool!

Maybe it’s a whurtle—it’s got that beak mouth. Or maybe it’s what krills looked like before they went skeletal

[rigid mural]

Whurtle ? These ?

[nimble ingot]

possibly an elder variant.
👑

[half shadow]

Oh my god they’re called whurtles??? I’m in love

[nimble ingot]

Whurtles are light creatures that do not appear in the game, though all the us skykids have to theorise on are the skeletal remains found in Wasteland's Graveyard area.

[half shadow]

Aaaaaa cool!! Where did the name come from?

[orchid jolt]

Its skull looks sort of like a turtle and the closest sky creature to being the size of the skelotons is a whale, but we know its not a whale as we can see whale bones in forest and they don't look like the whurtle bones

its an unofficial name (I think)

[nimble ingot]

It was a hybrid of turtle and a whale the devs mentioned.

This will do 🙂
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[orchid jolt]

ohhhh.

slowmode........................................

[half shadow]

this guy right here is my favorite. part coelacanth, part arowana, all friend

[lofty void]

the fish is friend shaped

[modern cedar]

this is less lore and more headcanon but POLL TIME!
if a skykid's mask were to crack, do you think (A) light would seep out of the cracks too, or (B) would it only shine from their eye/forehead holes?

[orchid jolt]

Soo, since we're getting new people in lore, i thought I'd reshare my wax theory:
#lore-discussion-spoilers message
#lore-discussion-spoilers message
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[nimble ingot]

yup.
I assume the channel did hit dry spells every now and again.

[gloomy osprey]

given that maskless is a dark face with closed eyes, one can only assume it’s the eyes that emit light

[rigid mural]

Headcanon the forest elder would carry a skykid the way that's on the right.

[obtuse igloo]

or just drag them while they find it funny to hang onto the back of their clothes

[rigid mural]

Bold of you to assume they would let someone do that

Speaking of elders, I like how they have a dark and lit version, does that mean they can live without light, albeit weakened ?

[obtuse igloo]

I think skykids faces have to be protected or probably their eyes/whatever is behind the mask. Is that why the faceless mask has it's eyes closed?

[nimble ingot]

just fire man carry moths.
Especially in wasteland and eden.

[obtuse igloo]

lmao so we dont get sand in our eyes

[rigid mural]

I think skykids faces have to be protected or probably their eyes/whatever is behind the mask. Is that why the faceless mask has it's eyes closed?
Probably related to aviator glasses in that they started out as utility (not getting stuff in your eyes, or mouth too in the case of skykids) and ended up being fashionable (hence the mask diversity).
just fire man carry moths.
Huh ???

[nimble ingot]

Megabird made skykids, so the mask might have a social meaning (like a crown for a king, or a biretta for a priest).
even the elders wore masks, so it might be like a social status?

And yes, when moths are in trouble, and you want to help them out, instead of yanking them by the arms, you scoop them up and fly away.

[obtuse igloo]

I really wish you could grab moths in wasteland sometimes

Or grab a friend to prevent danger

[nimble ingot]

lol, like a distress signal players can enable similar to the guide mechanic. And every time you are unlit, or in trouble with krill, your skykid calls for help and nearby skykids can respond to it.
Perhaps something that skykids can do to either sacrifice themselves to save skykids, or shield them but it costs your light (or 1 winged light instead of 5).

[orchid jolt]

soo, what did you guys think of my wax theory from a while ago?

[icy spruce]

Hallo, I see there are lore moffs. Anyway what’s the topic?

[graceful oasis]

Moths

[icy spruce]

Moths are delicious

[final snow]

Where did these shells come from? There must be giant snails/mollusks living somewhere in Sky.

[hushed steeple]

Big shell yes

[rigid mural]

Krill eggs

[slate saffron]

NEW THEORY
resh is a cat, krill are the flees, GW is their liter box, and the Megabird is the vet

[lofty totem]

I looked at the sky nintendo switch trailer again ,in the end why does it look like a giant meteor fell in isle and destroyed everything except the stairs and the pillars

[forest kayak]

I don’t know if anyone has thought of this yet, but it could be a bit dumb but…

(TLDR at end btw)

So ya know the manta that leads/follow around in forest and valley…

So I have a theory…

When the mantas sweep you up in prairie (prairie represents childhood) may begin to be your childhood friend, that manta also leads/follows you in forest (teenage) and valley (adult)…

So the manta could represent a friend that follows you from childhood to adulthood and leaves in midlife (wasteland)

TLDR: the manta(s)that follows/leads you around in forest/valley could represent a childhood friend

[lofty totem]

That’s cool and kinda sad in gw that one manta died and like you see it’s soul in vault

[forest kayak]

O there’s MORE?!

[lofty totem]

Ye maybe the manta in eden counts to

[high bison]

There’s a manta in Eden????

[rigid mural]

Several even, they are on the end stretch toward Orbit. I managed to ride one near the end !

[lofty totem]

Ye me to

[high bison]

Oh

[untold phoenix]

so i had a thought a while ago
what if winged lights were the souls of ||the kids in eden||
like
everytime you collect them youre just kinda keeping them close if that makes sense
like
you collect as much as you can so you can return them to the ||kids in eden||
if that makes sense
idk im very bad at explaining,,,

[pastel hollow]

Woahhh that does make sense

[nimble ingot]

One problem with the theory is that there are more winged light than statues in eden (102 winged light in the world iirc vs 63 statues).
Not to mention the addition winged light from travelling spirits.

It is still a good theory. I assume the reason why is because more winged light are added, but the amount of statues stay the same.

[naive star]

when eden was added, how many wl were in the game? did it match up then?

[mint widget]

anyways basil awesome theory so true

[compact shale]

The mushroom is a lie.
those "mushrooms-on-the-trees" are actually called "light blooms."
So no, they're not mushrooms.

[spark vessel]

When I was moth, I thought everyone knew that

[trail oyster]

They can’t eat our light but they try to I suppose cause how else would you get light back into your system

[waxen ermine]

Something funny I always thought, so apparently Krills want to eat our light
But completely ignore Winged Lights standing around

[primal estuary]

same I thought it was really clear thats what Eden meant

[nimble ingot]

True.
While Krill are known to hunt light creatures (skykids included), some game mechanics may have altered the krill in favor of giving players a fair chance over what the lore would suggest.

The krill could in theory claim a dropped winged light if it were to fly over it, breaking it in the process.
On a hit, the skykid loses 5 winged light which they can reclaim if they managed to get them back in time.

So, instead of krill chomping up 5 winged light in one go, one can theorise that when it hits a skykid. It follows through with its charge so much, by the time the krill turns around, the skykid would either have gathered all the winged light up or gotten away with the winged light burned out.

Perhaps the krill are not efficient hunters.
Since they mindlessly hunt for winged light. But they are still dangerous creatures that should be avoided.

[waxen ermine]

Oh I didn't mean that Winged Light, but yeah that applies too
I mean the glowing white Winged Light children
I mean sure you could say they're out of sight or something like that

But there are two Winged Lights that are completely ignored by Krill despite being perfectly within sight, the first one in the area where the Krill eats a bird, and the ||second one in Eden||

[nimble ingot]

True...
Huh, I havent thought of that.

I can't dismiss it as game design over lore since the light bois are purposely placed there.

That is a good point and one that I'll have to look at carefully.

[spark vessel]

What do you think triggers crabs? I think it’s our light

[waxen ermine]

I think that, or how loud the call is
Oh wait you mean what makes them angry

[spark vessel]

Ye

It could be, that they just remember kids/spirits eating other crabs

[waxen ermine]

That makes sense, or they're just aggressive towards outside species in general

[spark vessel]

Maybe

[nimble ingot]

crabs are possibly scavengers.
They cannot target flying creatures, so likely took out creatures that are grounded or downed.
Since they are easily flipped over by deep calls, they are easily scared off (flipping over is possibly a defence mechanism).

So, lets say there is a muted skykid, or weak skykid or even distracted while caught in the water. A crab would likely go for them over skykids that fly away or do deep calls.

Crabs have been noted to be territorial, if I recall correctly. So they are also likely just trying to chase away pesky skykids, regardless if they would go for them or not.

[vestal lichen]

im thinking of a headcanon for the spirits of Asembly but i still have no idea ||possibly will be filled with angst||

[eternal totem]

@velvet blade replying here:

At that point we’ve ascended past being simply a Skykid, I’m speaking of when we’re still in the Sky kingdom, there has to be balance between light and darkness. Light can be as harmful as darkness

[velvet blade]

I can agree with that

[nimble ingot]

It was around 80 when I joined.
It might have been less before the season of enchantment.

[naive sequoia]

I like to think that this is what the devs meant when they said the King still exists, but not in the way we think.

In concept art, they depict him at the very top of Eden and I want to believe that he's there in a limbo state like the Elders.

He's up there... watching over the entire Kingdom.

[rigid mural]

I think light bois are skykid impressions, notice how they are often left in scenic areas. Maybe these are places skykids felt strong emotions at ?

[orchid jolt]

Yes, forest fires

[orchid jolt]

there is actualy a good reason for this theory, when you honk in game, you usually will see this symbol guiding you forward: This symbol is very similar to the prince/king symbol:

[orchid jolt]

i get what your saying, but i just need to get this out of my system: thats a manta, not a bird

[fading cave]

or maybe these shells come from some hidden island or a subterranean city

[frozen pivot]

frog

[naive sequoia]

Underwater Sky when

[nimble ingot]

@frozen pivot 🐸?
What is it with the frogs?

[icy spruce]

Mem.

[orchid jolt]

the fact that this: , has 4 extra floating dots than this: , makes me think either the prince was missing 4 blessings or we haven't yet seen the prince receive them

[forest kayak]

Maybe… winged light were the light of sky kids/spirits that may have had an early trip to orbit… and the winged light left behind are in a significant place/the last place they stood and that you need to help them to eden… which ties into “return the light of the fallen” quote

[orchid jolt]

well, we can probably ignore the wing buffs as they are from the spirits...

[nimble ingot]

102 winged light is suprisingly the total without the wing buffs, @orchid jolt .
The max winged light a skykid can have is around 174, I think.

Since wing buffs can come from Orbit (that bonus winged light from revirth) and spirits might mean that they are not souls, but fragments of light.
They could be even pieces of the king for all we know.

Perhaps the statue kids have their souls all along, but are not able to break out on their own.

One theory I was pondering about is what if, the statues were children of light that failed to complete their mission.
Similar to how the spirits are are stuck reliving their past, the statue kids are trapped in eden.

I am not sure if the resets are supposed to be part of the lore. Though if a skykid is supposed to complete a cycle, then maybe the world is stuck in a time loop.
One that will always repeat until the king returns, because without him, nothing can move forward.

This is a funny thought but still; if megabird were to be like mother nature, then would the king be like father time?

[hazy flax]

That’s actually a really cool theory with the time loop because eventually it’s reduced to us just going through all the realms, doing eden, being reborn, repeat. Also I like the thing about the king and the statues…wonder what eye of eden looks like if it used to be some sort of kingdom perhaps..?

[nimble ingot]

Welp, if anything that final area would have made a ginormous hallway to the castle, if not the castle itself.
Since the ascension route shows the top fo the castle and even the throne room.

The time loop theory might need further context, so will keep working on it.

[hazy flax]

Fair point about the hallway, or maybe a courtyard. Just thinking possibly there was a castle since when you view eden from other realms it mostly resembles one.

[nimble ingot]

I wonder if eden ever had plants.

Sure, dawn does not have any plants aside from the bit of moss in the hidden island off to the right.
But the other realms had a slow shift from naturalistic ruins, to stone riddled ruins.
There is not even dark plants in eden!

Thinking outlouf here:
It is as if there are 3 elements at play here. There is an element of light, an element of corruption and an element of power.
It is a subtle detail you can see in the merchant's boat. Eith the orbs, then vase, and a diamond.
And even in the all elders' scene with Daylight with a vase, Forest having a diamond, and Valley with an orb.
There is also another orb in eden's mural in that scene, though not sure how it ties in.

[opal cypress]

[hushed steeple]

Does anyone have a collage of prince/king symbols in game?

So I just finished the game and I’m a bit confused about the prince and the king what exactly happened to them?

[frozen pivot]

dead

[waxen ermine]

Oops, sorry

[nimble ingot]

The king/prince is no longer there to be saved.
Before the global release, there did seem to have been plans to include him, but in the current game, the devs suggested that the elder is present in other ways (though I may be wrong).

[hushed steeple]

Ooo that’s interesting thank you

[rigid mural]

It seems like the statues in Eden are sky kids like you; you turn into yet another statue when you bite the dust as well.
The winged light you give them could be the wing power you get back after hugging the white figure so you can complete the ending; in that case you're helping them finish the migration towards Orbit.

[pastel brook]

@rigid mural Draw me a crab!

[rigid mural]

Also, not the current topic but I saw that floating around on tumblr, as much as I enjoy the angst of it I don't think that skykids are doomed to see the same cutscenes and memories over and over; the game states that you befriend the spirits when you offer them candles for cosmetics (headcanon that there's a language barrier hence why skykids befriend the ancestors the only way they know how to; candle gifts).
Later on you can even see them in social areas, they turn to look at you and wave when you open their shop.

Same for elders, game states you must bring them the light back (they even have separate dark and lit forms), so you get the cutscenes where your skykid brings them the light back. Not sure the devs would have the means to include more elder cutscenes than we already got, let alone if the elders show themselves to the skykids outside these contexts.

[naive sequoia]

I think it's works like how the physical and the astral plane does

The astral can affect the physical realm in some way

[naive sequoia]

Yeah.. After buying a lot of cosmetics I thought we were buying from the shopkeeper but no, apparently we're actually friends

[rigid mural]

To be fair, you probably wouldn't give a stranger your hairstyle or your pants.

[naive sequoia]

Yeah. But I was shocked when they said raise your friendship with the spirit to unlock cosmetics and I was like : "Wait, we're friends??! I thought this was transactional?!"

[rigid mural]

Forest Elder: "Oh wow, that kid managed to befriend everyone in my constellation."
Sky kid:
Forest Elder:
Sky kid:
Forest Elder: "Guess I can show them how I do my hair."

[naive sequoia]

I don't want just your hair routine I want your hammer and the entire forgery >:(

..and height

[rigid mural]

Since they are the first thing to go when you lose all your wings, I like to think cosmetics are a kind of light magic (glamours if you will). Hence why you can switch from short to long hair in an instant, or have seemingly huge quantities of capes.

[rigid mural]

Ok but pro: sky kids can try to comfort the ancestor spirits (like the tearful light miner, please let me hug them )

[pastel brook]

Ancestor spirits never understand anything by themselves, and it is tiresome for sky children to be always and forever explaining things to them

[rigid mural]

[nimble ingot]

*skykid walks in a shop

shopkeeper: "Well hello there my friend! What brings you back to my store?"
Skykid:
shopkeeper: " The usual? Coming right up"
skykid: 🕯
shopkeeper: "what? another one?"
skykid:
shopkeeper: ...
skykid:
shopkeeper: "You are too precious."

[nimble ingot]

Perhaps it is allow a skykid to study the hair and clothing long enough to be able to copy it.
Similar to how the skykid learns an amote from a scene in a memory, perhaps the spirit allows the skykid to imitate the looks too.

Skykid uses cosmetics to express themselves and create their own identity. When they lose all of their light, they also lose the ability to project their identity on themselves.

[rigid mural]

Ok but now I'm imagining a spirit or elder letting a sky kid touch their hair.

[nimble ingot]

lol I did not think it though!

[rigid mural]

Skykids trying to climb on the GW elder to get a good look at their hair.

[half shadow]

Well, now I want some art of a spirit with a braided hairstyle “gifting” it to skykid by braiding their hair

Or if spirits can’t interact physically with sky kids, sitting down with skykid and showing them how to do it while skykid follows along. This is my new headcanon. Nobody touch me, I’m in my honey nut feelios right now

[rigid mural]

The blushing spirit helping a skykid braid their hair
Oh my god
GW elder trying to help a tiny skykid out

[lofty void]

AAAAAAAAAH

[frozen pivot]

frog

[tropic isle]

Só, i Eden run today, im planing onto doing It again,

Also, Vault Of Knowledge is underground, according to cavern of prophecy

[frozen pivot]

where in prophecy

[rigid mural]

When you turn around upon entering Eden, you see it too

[frozen pivot]

that would also mean that the gw fortress, where vault's gate is, would be underground and directly under the eden mountain's foot no?

[nimble ingot]

This reminded me of a comic I saw a while ago, took me a while to find it, here it is: 🙂
https://i.pinimg.com/564x/b0/db/5d/b0db5dd2445af27b62f924fd7f3b6e51.jpg

[nimble ingot]

For what it is worth, as an android player, I just went through it and it did not crash (thank goodness).
I was worried that somehow there would a crash in pnr. If there were, that would have been bad, lol. 😅

[nimble ingot]

Imagine that big guy being like a dad trying to work with his giant hands on the tiny hairs of the skykid.
I can already see this being a hilarious comic! 😆

[rigid mural]

oh my god

[urban sparrow]

My daughter has just been whale watching and came up with the idea that the Sky whales probably eat the krill dragons and that's why there are no krill next to the whales 🤔

[nimble ingot]

That is so cool that your daughter got to do whale watching. 🙂

If it were true, it would have been an epic coincidence.
The dark dragons in the game are called krill by fans of the game because they look giant krill.
If the whales would be the ones that hunt krill, it would be amazing!

[urban sparrow]

It would be really cool! She mentioned how nice it would be if in the secret place we had whales 🐋 one day, sort of like the dark dragons on Halloween 🎃

[nimble ingot]

Maybe around the time of an ocean themed event, or something like it.
The krill and crabs that dont have to be the only creatures to appear in the office.

[hushed steeple]

I love your profile picture

[rigid mural]

You have good tastes.

[half shadow]

I really love the cave of prophecy murals, but I kind of struggle to decipher them. Has anybody written out an explanation or anything like that? I know it shows the different zones but if there’s some deeper significance there I’m not able to parse it

[rigid mural]

Well the point is to draw your own theory, but it seems to depict the journey of a (sky?)kid in finishing the trials, getting the elemental powers and being crowned in the presence of the elders, with 4 of them getting an elemental power.
My theory is that this is the prince's ascent to the throne, depicting him gifting the elders the elemental powers for their allegiance or at least allyship.

[distant turtle]

This event is good though for what it’s worth!

[orchid jolt]

Can u show the Eden mural you're talking about?

[rigid mural]

Not my screens (found on google) and I didn't unlock their hair, but wierd how the valley elders got one... irregular arm and the other is fine.

[icy spruce]

Oh ya, there’s a theory about them being one but split ykniw

[stark marten]

Yeah, and they each only have one eye as well

[rigid mural]

You can see the right arm of the spiky haired elder is fine, and their left arm is all wierd and janky, while the other mirrors that.

Oh ya, there’s a theory about them being one but split ykniw
Yeah and I agree with it, they look like two halves of a whole.

Maybe they got prosthesises made by the forest elder ?
That would be interesting.

[icy spruce]

YEAH, I like the idea of them being one whole cause that would make sense

And they are also represented as 1 elder

[rigid mural]

I love how elders can just... stand there... in Eden... bless...

Ok but they are really big though, even for an ancestor spirit. Like, the twins and forest elder are among the smallest of their kind too. Strongly headcannoning they were worshipped or at least revered as patrons of their land.

[nimble ingot]

I could not find good screenshots, so went to a youtube video, so long as it shows the murals.
Here is the video for credit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRhjTwzjk0Q

[nimble ingot]

Daylight Prairie with his vases

Forest forging power diamonds (batteries). These are tricky to spot, though are held by the 4 spirits to the right.

Valley and the orb. Though this might not be it since it is just seems to be an ball that gives context to the elders being in a competition rather than fighting each other.

[restive cosmos]

has the slo mo decreesed yet?

[nimble ingot]

And the famous Eden mural/projection. With the elder seen holding the orb. Some theories he is about to eat it, others believe it is just being held and the elder is screaming. Either way, the elder seems to be in pain.

[frozen pivot]

frog

[harsh pecan]

Maybe the power was too much for them to handle

Also is it just me or does the figure not really resemble the King?

[frozen pivot]

the last mural, look closely at the streaks of lines, it resembles the shape of a crown kinda like the friend cons but wider. in fact eden seems to represent the crown itself

[orchid jolt]

Ohhhh, i thought you meant murals in eden.

i was over here thinking they added something

hey, so ive had this idea for a while, but can someone upload pictures of all of the covered lamps?

specifically, the kinds of covered lamps, like the ones in vault, the ones in forest, and whatnot

actually, you know what? I can probably get the pictures i want

it has to do with the boats

I think there may have actually been a balance between light and darkness, ill elaborate further once i get the boat pictures too

[frozen pivot]

elders have the most constellation lines, yet spirits have 1 at most. king having the most, even shaped like a crown, very king-like, majestic. anything else just means theyre connected to the light somewhat(vault scrolls)

[orchid jolt]

also notice how each other elder and spirit has constellations inside of them but not the king

[frozen pivot]

yes

[orchid jolt]

yes, but notice how all of the spirits and other elders in the mural have a constellation in them, often connecting to things outside of them, but the king's body is empty of any constellation.

two things, why did you delete the last thing u said and why are you talking to yourself?

[rigid mural]

Whoa, deep fried constellations, would you like me to pull up my screens xD

[frozen pivot]

howd u gonna fit all those lines inside the king, whyd u gonna need to fit all those lines inside the king when the king represents eden; his realm himself. eden has no other discernible qualities other than its sacred and its gone/ruined

it looks scuffed, fitting of eden cus the realm scuffed too ||very chill place tho good ambiance||

[orchid jolt]

??? It seems important? Even the spirits seemingly praying to the king are part of a constellation

[mint widget]

k gonna delete the image now ✌️ stay safe 😁

[rigid mural]

Why ?

[orchid jolt]

why did you delete it?

[mint widget]

mind ur business 🤨

[frozen pivot]

the way i look at it is, every spirit is a star, each and every one of those star is connected to the light and thus connected to each other, elders or higher entities than spirits consists of more than one star, thats why they have their own contellations. the lines doesnt hold that much importance, just means all are connected to light

[orchid jolt]

ok... just wondering