lore-discussion-spoilers

[thin dirge]

I had a theory they came from the Orange Light that was in GW

I mean, they kinda look like Shadows, don't they?

[tired vault]

I also think wasteland is definitely involved, especially because when you hit that last switch, 3 appear

OH, KRILLS ARE THE HOLY BURRITOS

[graceful osprey]

yeah. the flame could've activated the darkstone in the krills, causing them to wake up and be hungry

but i dont think krill necessarily came from the orange light

ok stop the burritos pls

[covert furnace]

Well, I actually believe that the reason the krill, (and crabs), attack the light is because of the war against them in the past. I based this opinion off of this timeline that was shared from the concept art found on zhao's website. Of course to be fair, things may have changed since the game went into live release

[thin dirge]

Though, they're shown to appear not long when GW got the Orange Light (Proph murals)

[graceful osprey]

i think the krill have just become infected with darkstone

[thin dirge]

And also, each realm that got an elemental light had problems related to the element they got Water in Forest made rain that hurts us, Valley froze the waters

[covert furnace]

Wait, I just reread the timeline I posted and it does mention creatures getting corrupt

[thin dirge]

Prairie is fine, cause the Green Light was meant to be there all along

The timeline's not canon tho, take it with a pinch of salt

[covert furnace]

Like I said, it might have changed, and as mentioned in the pins, this channel isn't necessarily meant to discuss what's canon but to pitch theories and interpretations (oo, a burrito)

[thin dirge]

Ok

[covert furnace]

Sorry, I didn't mean to shut you down or anything, you had a valid point, I just wanted to point out that I was saying how I interpreted things.

I personally like using the timeline because it ties everything together and makes sense to me, now the elemental lights are a very interesting thing to consider, I'll admit that I haven't thought of how they factor in

You know, looking at the corruption thing, perhaps the the krill and crabs in the murals aren't the ones that we know them to be, but them in their pre-corrupted form. And the reason why there are light crabs are because that's what they were before and those few just happened to be safe from the big Eden explosion.

[short owl]

Okay I hear you on the crabs are baby krill theory, but consider

Krill are young Crabs

Baby Krill are born of inky darkness and emerge hungry for light

As they feed, they burn off more and more of their darkness, greatly reducing their own mass

[boreal nebula]

Just one word, but a powerful one

[rapid juniper]

What

[rapid juniper]

There are good crabs in sanc

[covert furnace]

If you look at my more recent post, I talk about that （＾ν＾）

[rapid juniper]

Oh oki

[novel jackal]

what would a megakrill/queen or king krill even look like?

hmmmmmmmmmm

[short owl]

For MegaKrill, I imagine you find a really deep dark cave

And then you realize the exit is no longer where it was

[rapid juniper]

It was significant memory lamo not specific

[strange siren]

I want megakrill. I want krill nest of doom.

[rapid juniper]

Same

I want more dangerous things

[quiet crystal]

Sameee but just no jump scares like how that one Journey Guardians poof from the ground

[median topaz]

are there really non-aggresive crabs? i didn't notice

[rapid juniper]

In sanctuary

[gilded spoke]

why is there a call bubble on the krill when they attack?

[gray timber]

what if they add the octopus from the concept...

[rapid juniper]

I think it would be cool running away from that thing with your freinds would be fun

[gray timber]

a mutated creature that lurks in the murky waters...

[rapid juniper]

Ye

I really want more dangerous quests but not to hard

[gray timber]

to 🐙

[bitter shale]

Call... Bubble?

This?

Idk why i imagine it like comic bubble thing 💭

[gray timber]

I thought that was a honk

[rapid juniper]

Krill honk

[steep egret]

We're kinda children of darkness or shadow, right? That's why we're faceless and everything interchangeable (capes, hair) are white or colored

We collect light from candles and such to live. We don't actually produce any. Basically a shadow o3o we die without light.

[misty garnet]

Hello everyone!
Sorry for some phrasing mistakes beforehand,I'm not a native english speaker,so I might make some mistakes.
I have a theory is that we unlock portals to discover the history of the previous civilization(obviously) but the order that we unlock the portals in represent the development of the civilization from the start till the very end.But all realms co-exist together
In my theory the first realm we have to discover is "isle of dawn" we are taken back in time,to the time when,the world of sky was still forming and isle was probably the first ever place for the ancestor spirits to live in,before they decided to settle to the skies.
There were also no buildings present.
.
Daylight prairie is the part of development,when villages were starting to form. It seems like the roots of the "light trading economy" started there
.
The forest was more advanced,as the said economy progressed,they began to built a diamond factories(we notice the presence of the diamond powered doors,signifying that. The forest temple seems to be a diamond factory,that used to capture mantas,to harvest their light.
.
Valley of triumph is the phase when the economy peaked,which resulted in building of a big city,that consisted mostly of people with the higher class.
.
It seems like,because the economy was run on the light of mantas,which lead to their massive capturing,without the light,the darkness started to rise,in form of dark plants and dark creatures.
Golden wasteland is rumored to be a forest in the past,that was later made into a city. The depiction of wasteland,shows how the economy brought harm to the world and resulted in a tragedy. Soldiers were sent to battle the krills,but would lose with the absence of light.
.
Vault is the phase,where the darkness,spread so much,that the civilization already prepared for the worst,and built a vault,to store the memories of the past world in(the lanterns)
....

Then the last phase,the tragedy.
The eden realm was a famous paradise,that ran on a big power diamond,after the balance between darkness and light was interrupted,it caused the diamond to explode and destroy the whole realm.
.
It is also noticable that prairie is the realm with less dark plants,because of the presence of light. The mantas only appear when we burn the darkness.
Forest being on the middle,and golden wasteland being the darkest realm.
Valley not being affected is possibly due,to the fact,that it's located in the mountains,basically above the clouds, so it doesn't get cloudy.
It's possible to suspect,that it was purposely built so high,for the higher class,so the darkness wouldn't affect them

[tired vault]

Do we know if/how Journey lore relates to Sky’s?

[lethal stump]

journey and sky are canonically separate universes, but youre welcome to connect them if you like

[tired vault]

I see...so a burrito v. taco situation, if you will

[lethal stump]

what is it with you and burritos

[tired vault]

But in all seriousness, it almost feels like journey is the journey of the Ancients and Sky is the epic of the descendants

I mean, in their heyday, the civilization of the ancients would be much different than what we see in the game. We see the after-effect: the land is still affected by the damage done from by the ancients, but has had a chance to somewhat be reclaimed by nature. Journey seems more artificial—maybe it’s all the ribbon floating around, or that the “creatures” in journey seem almost completely artificial

Also, if the heights of the elders are indicative of the ancients as a separate lineage, we see that their height is much more in line with journey

But journey also had larger than life ancestors, so maybe this isnt the first cycle of ancestor-descendancy. Like the rebirth cycle, this worldbird has seen many cycles of destruction and rebirth

So maybe those in journey aren’t necessarily the sky elders, but elders a few down the line

[solemn barn]

Hmm

Why after say no return why it say back to home space?

[graceful osprey]

oh yeah and i also made a theory relating to the elements and the problem with the elders

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

i think it was this one

since the elders dont receive the light correctly, thry are missing some things

[livid valley]

I'm pretty confused here

[pseudo heart]

I think they're asking the tabs that appear when you reach stormlock uhh why are one of the tabs asking if you want to go home???

[solar relic]

isn't it what's supposed to happen

usually you do get asked if you want to go home regardless of whether you agree to go forward or not

[livid valley]

Well if you want to ask questions please go to #questions-and-help this is lore thanks

[slate saffron]

Here's a few images of the light crystal thingy-s in vault!

They seem to be a type of projector, with an image or info being programed/carved into the front bit and then illuminated with fire to make a projection!

Atleast that's what I think

[true grove]

That's exactly how they work

[tame hollow]

oh god thats terrifying

[short owl]

Mega krill, so large you can't tell the difference between beast and cave

[median topaz]

but is that canon or just concept art

didn't the mods say we shouldn't take the concepts as canon?

[lethal stump]

we shouldnt take them as canon, but we can use them as guidelines

[short owl]

I mean they did, but they are really close in appearence and nature

[median topaz]

still

[orchid jolt]

this is likely not intentional, but in the off chance that it is...

you can skip both isle and prairie elders

what do u guys think about that?

those two elders and their inhabitants seem to be the most in tune with the light creatures and rebirth

[thin dirge]

Isle Elder's role is to guide or lead creatures to the Light

My HC is that he kinda retired at some point when Prince came in

Prairie's role is being the guardian of the Light creatures

Well, it seems like it with Isle Elder's murals in Isle, and Prairie Elder Pin poem in SkyShop

[orchid jolt]

so im wondering wether the fact you can skip those elders without actually oobing, is intentional and wether it could be related to lore

[thin dirge]

Hmm, I'm not sure

You could interpret it as such tho

[short owl]

Wait how do you skip Isle?

Isle has a door behind it

Prarie I could see though. You can sometimes be forced to "grow up too fast" and not get to really be a kid

Valley is one you can skip, but it's not easy

You have to oob though

[graceful osprey]

you can oob as well

[celest spoke]

Well for that matter consider whatever metaphor of the realms we can/can’t return to by backing up from the next realm (iirc returning to Valley temple from GW is the only one left), or the temples that cut off access to the rest of their own realm once you enter (Forest, GW, and Vault temples are one-way entry)

[pastel brook]

Mods? WHERE?!

[novel jackal]

do you want to join the lore community too

[short owl]

Skybot has been throwing out theories at least since prophecy

You should have seen us - trying to sift through Skybot's messages for lore hints

[pseudo heart]

And then realize skybot has nothin to do with lore?

[short owl]

We had to be told

[lethal stump]

i was telling yall since the beginning, but yall wouldnt listen

[median topaz]

its literally a bot why did you think it had anything to do with the lore

[lethal stump]

thats just the way things are in lore chat, we grab everything we can find

[bitter shale]

Hm-

The broken lift tower one intrigued me

Does that mean that place already abandoned before the total wipe out?

[rapid juniper]

Uhm

[bitter shale]

what did i do ;-;

[slate saffron]

B o n k

[bitter shale]

[pseudo heart]

O no the hermit has been driven away before the fall even happened ??

[livid valley]

h

[jovial nacelle]

HELLO LORE CHAT-

[pseudo heart]

Howdee

[rapid juniper]

Hello

[quiet crystal]

Hello

[covert fulcrum]

What do the skykids hide under their masks?

[thin dirge]

Face

[covert fulcrum]

oh

[vagrant thistle]

How do sky kids play the air instruments without any visible mouth?

[dusty barn]

It's called energy loves

[vagrant thistle]

I mean the instruments that have the mouth near them like a human

[true grove]

Lol

[livid valley]

It's a illusion

[lament crane]

Question everyone:
What is the story behind each cut-scene? I have this new player who just started playing it ... and they were a bit confused

The each elder cut scene

For instance... valley... they were confused about that the "twins" steal the Sky kid's fire 🔥

[graceful osprey]

they don't steal it, they harness it for entertainment

[lament crane]

The new player was something like: "they took my fire... why?"

[graceful osprey]

wait i'll type a quick explanation of each cuscene

[lament crane]

They were also confused that the twins yeeted the fire into the air

[graceful osprey]

Isle: He is blind and weakened. You give him light so he regains sight and face so he can guide the creatures of light to the migration to orbit, where they are supposed to go.

Prairie: You give prairie elder light and flame. He turns it into a butterfly. This represents the discovery of turning light into creatures of light. It also represents how they found out that creatures of light are useful.

Forest: She snatches the light from you. She uses it to create refined darkstone, the thing that powers almost all of the sky civilisation.

Valley: They use this light to have fun.

Wasteland: He takes this light to regain strength and bravery to fight against the
army of darkness.

Vault: Not so sure on this one. They use light to store this knowledge???

[hazy cliff]

I think the Elders need the fire to live and Valley fight over the fire to live and don’t wanna share, basically, then they need to return it to the sky and Valley do it a bit rushed

[graceful osprey]

Does this answer your questions @lament crane ?

[lament crane]

[graceful osprey]

ok

[lament crane]

[graceful osprey]

Quick question:
If a creature of light dies in somewhere else that is not eden/ not close nough to the ascension beam, do they die forever and are unable to be reborn?

[pseudo heart]

I don't think it's about the distance of a light creature from the ascension beam that stops it from going through the cycle but rather how it died

Iirc it was mentioned somewhere that cosmic mantas are mantas that died an unusual death

[lament crane]

Those ones from vault

[pseudo heart]

Exactly

[graceful osprey]

oh ok

so what is universal death?

[pseudo heart]

They're very near eden, beside it even

[graceful osprey]

so if a manta is very old (natural death), but has a massive wall or something is stopping it from reaching the ascension beam, does it get reborn or become a cosmic/spirit manta?

[kind musk]

I have a free hour in school lol

Let's talk about lore

[thin dirge]

Or they reappear through clouds like in Prairie

Wait, hold on-

[gray timber]

Hmm...
do you think the white out screens when entering a new realm is a skip thing?

[thin dirge]

Can Light Creatures teleport through clouds???

[lament crane]

You see spirit manta somewhere around RIGHT AFTER ||the statue area|| ... as in the ||orbit|| as well ... so they are in a *reborn stage as well 🤔

I think 🤔

Somewhere around...

Here

• still donno how to spoiler tag a pic

[true grove]

No need to spoiler tag here

!picspoiler here's how to spoiler tag in general

[pastel brook]

To spoiler tag a picture, rename the file name to begin with “SPOILER_”, or (desktop only) click the “Mark as spoiler” box when you upload it. To rename on iOS, export image to the Files app > rename > share to Discord.

[lament crane]

Ok, thank you 😊

[pseudo heart]

Nono,, I don't think it's that way.. I think something is fishy going on Vault

Lmao imagine the rebirth cycle, the law of nature and everything in it being stopped by a wall

[graceful osprey]

do you have a image of the spirit manta there?

[slate saffron]

Maybe? Perhaps they just die

[slate saffron]

Yeah, same! All the floating stuff really gives off the vibe that the place is very... supernatural

Also is it just me or does the hidden forrest have a garden motif to it?

[jade river]

hello lore people

yeah no need to spoiler tag things here, this is lore chat, in the name of the chat its said spoilers are here

[vocal tulip]

Hey I remember I made a bunch of memes about all the sky chats a while ago so here’s yours

[true grove]

👁️ 👄 👁️ Accurate

[graceful osprey]

yep

you need to use a lot of brain power in this channel

[hushed steeple]

is having a negative iq an exception?

[true grove]

Thankfully i can link my brain cells with other people here it goes from 2 fps to 4 fps
Much better :eye: :lips: :eye:

🧠

👁️👄👁️

So what's the hot topic right now haven't been following this channel for a while

[solemn barn]

Yeah

Is now dead since lore gods are sleeping or busy in something else

[short owl]

Do you want a theory import from Tumblr?

[clear lynx]

Who’s resh

[lethal stump]

"resh" is the placeholder name for the king

[slate saffron]

The great knight @pastel brook, slayer of Lore gods has hurled the almighty ones who animated this channel with their power into the deepest pit and sealed it shut

[clear lynx]

Damn

Im not crazy

Who’s alef?

[lethal stump]

Isle: Daleth (ד)
Prairie: Ayin (ע)
Forest: Teth (ט)
Valley: Samekh (ס)
Wasteland: Tsadi (צ)
Vault: Lamed (ל)
Prince: Alef (א)
King: Resh (ר)
PLEASE NOTE: These names have appeared in concept art and are often used when referring to the elders. They were never canon, they were placeholders, and now they are fanon.

[clear lynx]

Y a S

Now

Who was the previous elder at wasteland?

[lethal stump]

previous elder ?

[clear lynx]

Well

[slate saffron]

I don't think their was one! (That we know of)

[lethal stump]

all we know of is tsadi

[pastel brook]

wait who are we talking about?

[clear lynx]

There’s an elder memory place destroyed

Like the forest one

[lethal stump]

oh, thats not a temple

[slate saffron]

The elders are seemingly immortal or atleast, very god-like

[clear lynx]

Wha

[lethal stump]

its a factory

[slate saffron]

that's the manta juicer

[clear lynx]

but is the same as the forest temple

[lethal stump]

the temples arent solely for elders, theyre places of work that the elder valued

[slate saffron]

The Forrest temple is a factory as well !

[clear lynx]

Why are elders vaulted

Damn

[lethal stump]

the "forest temple" is a factory firstly, temple secondly

[clear lynx]

W h y

[slate saffron]

They made the light batteries (blue crystals). Which are used throughout the game in almost all technology in sky kingdom!

[clear lynx]

[lethal stump]

you seem pretty new to lore, would you like a short introduction document ?

[clear lynx]

Why there’s a broken ark at the way up to Eden?

[clear lynx]

I had a totally diferent theory and view

[lethal stump]

what broken ark ?

[short owl]

Ace starting strong on the questions

[clear lynx]

Y e s

[slate saffron]

There isn't! (In game that is)

Unless you mean the forgotten ark in wasteland that is

[clear lynx]

There’s a B O A T in the way up to Eden

Not as big as the forgotten ark

More like the one at wasteland

[lethal stump]

where ? all i know of are some small ones scattered about in the first area

[clear lynx]

First area

[slate saffron]

Like the warship in the off section in wasteland with the red light?

[clear lynx]

Down the little ones

[clear lynx]

Y e s

I had some ideas of what did happend cuz of that

And why is there an ocean in GW

Is that the sea lvl?

It means that it’s the same altitude as isle

Why the damn forest rain kills you

[slate saffron]

Because it's rain

And you're a light creature

[clear lynx]

Why getting into the ocean dosent kills me

[slate saffron]

Because the water in home is pure, while the ocean water in wasteland is very very polluted!

(Same with the hidden Forrest rain)

[clear lynx]

Why king it’s dead?

[slate saffron]

Most likely the result of the tragedy that befell eden

[clear lynx]

How hidden forest clouds got@polluted?

[slate saffron]

And created the strom

[clear lynx]

What happened to alef?

[slate saffron]

Probably due to the storm from eden!

[clear lynx]

Why it’s the king statue on top of the GW temple and alef statue all along the place?

I think

Or

[slate saffron]

We don't actually know! It's widely guessed on but nothing is for certain

[clear lynx]

Hmmmmmm

The GW doesn’t look like a elder to me

More like a honorable warrior that fought for the protection of vault

Keeping the darkness away from the vault

That way becoming elder

[slate saffron]

Because the GW was once a vibrant location (potentially something akin to the sahel in Africa or maybe just a desert with a lot of trade) and the king commissioned the construction of all those pillars to cement their authority!

[clear lynx]

My theory: the previous GW elder used to be the dud in statue we see all over the place

Hmmmm

[slate saffron]

They're a elder and a warrior! Like how the Forrest elder is an elder and a blacksmith

[clear lynx]

Hmmmmmmm

That

Changes some stuff

[slate saffron]

Those are king statues, not statues of the GW elder

[clear lynx]

What about valley then?

[short owl]

We don't know the king is dead

[clear lynx]

And what are the statues on top of the GW temple

[short owl]

We know he is "not around to be saved anymore"

[slate saffron]

Very very large king statues

[clear lynx]

Head it’s different

Totally diferent

[clear lynx]

Ow

[slate saffron]

They aren't if you manage to make your way up their to look at them

[clear lynx]

Where’s prince?

It’s prince son of king?

[short owl]

He may or may not be the king himself

[clear lynx]

Who created us?

[slate saffron]

The mega bird (probably)

[slate saffron]

True!

[clear lynx]

Some one at the very beginning of the game told us our mission

[short owl]

WE DON'T KNOW AND I HAVE SO MANY QUESTIINS ABOUT US THAT IT'S UNCOMFORTABLE

[clear lynx]

Hmmm

I think

There’s

Some one that it’s “light”

And some one that it’s “darkness”

[short owl]

We only have theories about who that is. King? Prince? Megabird? A spirit?

[clear lynx]

I think king still exist

As all light creatures

And he’s son alef exist in darkness

That

Could make sense

[slate saffron]

@clear lynx this is what is assumed to be the mega bird btw

[lament crane]

Yup ^^

[clear lynx]

Hmmmmmm

[lament crane]

Still wanna see it, @graceful osprey

[slate saffron]

The megabird is either a god-like figure in the sky universe or a personification of the cycle of rebirth

[clear lynx]

I HAVE ONLINE CLASS GOMME A SEC

A

[slate saffron]

Either way they play an important part in the story and we're worshiped for a long time before being supplanted by the king- GO DO YOUR ONLINE CLASS

[clear lynx]

What if prince wanted to be king

And it got corrupted

By

[slate saffron]

They probably didn't

[clear lynx]

Hm

Resh it’s called king

King of W H A T

[slate saffron]

The sky kingdom!

[clear lynx]

Where’s the throne

[short owl]

I call it Horizon cause Horizon is where land and sky meet

[slate saffron]

In orbit, floating

[short owl]

Probably somewhere in Eden.

[clear lynx]

Such a gangster

[slate saffron]

Eden was the assumed capitol of the sky kingdom and the place where the King's castle was!

[clear lynx]

Ye

They founded a city over the clouds

That says

At the very beginning

But

Why is all destroyed up there?

[slate saffron]

Due to the tragedy that destroyed the sky kingdom

[clear lynx]

What was the tragedy?

[slate saffron]

We don't know what it was

[clear lynx]

Hmmmmmmmm

[bitter shale]

e x p l o s i o n

[slate saffron]

But we know it's results

[clear lynx]

Well

[slate saffron]

[clear lynx]

We can see at GW krill stuff all over the place

Including scars on surfaces

Shields

Sepears

[slate saffron]

It may or may not have something to due with an invasion of krill destroying the GW, the pollution of the environment by the ancestors, and the broken power diamond in eden

[clear lynx]

Etc

So

Soooo

Decadence?

[slate saffron]

We do know a war between the Krill and sky millitary happened! But we don't know if that's what destroyed the sky kingdom

[clear lynx]

Why is vault a non existing place?

[slate saffron]

Sorta

you remember the factories?

which I called manta juicers?

[slate saffron]

It's a tower that goes inside the moutain!

It's just very spacious

[clear lynx]

The part “juicer” makes me not believe on that

[clear lynx]

There’s no mountain

Line

Like

[slate saffron]

how do you think the power diamonds are made

[clear lynx]

The mountain it’s Eden

Ain’t it?

[clear lynx]

Light

Our light

[short owl]

Guys

Ace hasn't seen the dark concepts yet

[clear lynx]

I didddddd

[slate saffron]

Sorta! There's a storm on top of the mountain (which both might be called eden)

[clear lynx]

But some of them look unreal

[short owl]

Until you see them, the whole 'manta juicer' thing sounds like an edgy theory

[clear lynx]

Vault still a non existing place

[slate saffron]

Kinda...

light creatures light

[clear lynx]

Like

It’s literally pitch black everywhere

[slate saffron]

It's inside a mountain

[short owl]

Here it is

[clear lynx]

I want to be inside a mountain now

“Manta juicer” I like the concept

But

Still kinda edgy ngl

Then

Why

Wait

Wait

Wait

[slate saffron]

To be fair, the light butterflies were probably the main source of power

[clear lynx]

Prophecy

[short owl]

Oh yeah this game's concepts were EDGY

[clear lynx]

I know

That’s why i said that ; P

[short owl]

Forest elder would lead you to your doom and Wasteland elder would literally die for you

[clear lynx]

You have anything for what the prophecy told us?

[clear lynx]

Wow, they r toxic

[slate saffron]

Prophecy was a vision of the future from the past!

[clear lynx]

I know what the definition of prophecy is

[slate saffron]

It told how the sky kingdom would form, how the ancestors were made, etc

[clear lynx]

I wanna know what the cave of prophecy tells about our storie in sky

Wait

By the time the murals where written

The elders still exist

Cuz

They r at the murals

That means

[slate saffron]

What I was trying to say was that it wasn't a prophecy of the future from the time the game takes place in

[clear lynx]

That’s something something

at the follow emote

There’s a kid falling from the sky

[slate saffron]

That's believed to be the prince (who may later become the king)

[clear lynx]

That means that the stars did exist among the spirits?

[slate saffron]

Yes

[clear lynx]

Hmmmmmmmm

[slate saffron]

(One of the spirits in the Isle of dawn has them discover a fallen sky kid)

[clear lynx]

If it was prince

Then

King cretated him

No?

[slate saffron]

Maybe

[clear lynx]

Then

King did create us too

Cuz we did get alive the same way prince did

But

[slate saffron]

No, the megabird did
The king came about later

[clear lynx]

In a diferent time

[clear lynx]

H o w

[slate saffron]

I mean
The Megabird is kind of a god

So uhhhhhhhhhhh

[clear lynx]

Then god it’s dead?

[slate saffron]

No, it's alive!

(Probably)

[clear lynx]

Well

[slate saffron]

We see them at the end of game

At the final part of the credits

[clear lynx]

Megabirdo ma bruh, he’s more frozen than a fish in the fridge

I would say he’s F

[slate saffron]

The megabird is weird

[clear lynx]

I thing of megabird as the one that guides you all along your adventure

Cuz

He’s a bird

All birds fly toward the normal path

And guide you if your lost

[lethal stump]

megabird is referred to by the concepts with she/her pronouns

[slate saffron]

They're more of a constellation in the shape of a bird, actually!

The sky kids are more or less following the migration path of the light creatures to reach eden

[clear lynx]

But Eden it’s corrupted

Or

Uh oh...

[slate saffron]

And it's the only way to reach orbit!

Sadly

[clear lynx]

Wait

Is the eye of Eden the source of darkness?

[slate saffron]

Yes!

It's what created the storm

[clear lynx]

How did it got into GW but not into vault

[slate saffron]

Vault is a literal vault

[lethal stump]

there is darkness in vault, just limited amounts
after all, its a vault, its high-security and difficult to penetrate

[clear lynx]

Plants

[lethal stump]

what about them ?

[clear lynx]

They are made of darkness

[slate saffron]

Oh, the plants feed off of the darkness/pollution

And due to it's limited amount in vault the plants can't really grow there

[lethal stump]

theres dark crabs there too, those have darkness as well

[slate saffron]

True, true

[clear lynx]

I mean

Those ain’t corrupted crabs

Have you compared GW crabs and forest/vault ones?

[slate saffron]

But the dark crabs are kinda creatures who got corrupted rather than born with darkness like the Krill

[lethal stump]

theyre all the same, some are just bigger/smaller

[lethal stump]

we dont know that for certain

[clear lynx]

The ain’t the same colour

[lethal stump]

thats just bc of lighting

[clear lynx]

GW ones are darker

[slate saffron]

That's atleast my interpretation of the mural in the Forgotten ark area

[clear lynx]

Then the manta at GW would be darker too

[short owl]

Aren't the friendly sanctuary crabs darker in color than the angry ones?

[clear lynx]

N o

[slate saffron]

The manta glow

[clear lynx]

The angry ones are darker

[lethal stump]

mantas give off light therefore lighting around them wouldnt affect them as much as it does for opaque things

[clear lynx]

And bigger

[slate saffron]

They eat more

[clear lynx]

And they have black stuff on the bodie

They feed from alquitrán

[slate saffron]

All crabs have that

[lethal stump]

not all of them, the angry ones in forest temple are rather small

[clear lynx]

And brighter

[lethal stump]

bc of the lighting

[clear lynx]

And they angry cuz you just broke into thier home

Poor bois

[short owl]

My theory is that crabs aren't infected, the angry ones are just hungry

[clear lynx]

Damn

[short owl]

Cause their water is either gone or dark

[clear lynx]

I get angry too if I’m hungry

I support that theory

Wo

[slate saffron]

Based on the mural in the Forgotten ark that might be true!

[clear lynx]

Wait

Then did GW warriors feed from crabs?

[slate saffron]

Well there is that crab roast in the boneyard...

[clear lynx]

[slate saffron]

Now I wonder how dark crabs taste

[clear lynx]

I wanna see an animation of GW warriors fighting the krills 🥺

Imagine

[slate saffron]

Ooo, that would be cool!

[clear lynx]

Blocking a krill Attack whit shield

...

Are krills the only threat?

In GW they have ground barriers

[slate saffron]

Pretty much unless you count the crabs as dangerous

[clear lynx]

Why would they need ground barriers agains flaying op gangsters

[slate saffron]

There is the possibility that the gw had a civil war!

[clear lynx]

#teamironman

[slate saffron]

Between a diamond and a sun faction (based on the different weapon designs)

[clear lynx]

Wot

[slate saffron]

Hold on let me grab the evidence brb

[clear lynx]

I just hope some day SKY decide on work at a GW season

Revelations

And

Idk, visions of what it used to be in the past

[slate saffron]

.

[tender dune]

ive been summoned

[slate saffron]

(Well the designs atleast)

[slate saffron]

AAAAAA SORRY GO BACK TO SLEEP

[tender dune]

its early for sneep! but have fun lore-ing hahhaa

[short owl]

I just had... A Thought

You know how we get infinite tries to do stuff and know when we fail by how much we failed

Some Machine Learning algorithms are like that

[slate saffron]

GENERATION THEORY

[short owl]

What if we are just a simulation so as to maje a single perfect skykid model

[slate saffron]

[short owl]

We are DESIGNING the prince

sorry i know it's my worst theory yet

[graceful osprey]

yes pls

[uneven stag]

I wonder what was picked up by the spirit

[cold steppe]

that's most definitely bugged, but it looks super cool

[lament crane]

Ok... hold on

Here we go

[short owl]

I

Well now you have me trying to figure out if WE are aliens

[tired vault]

This game operates on Avatar rules

We abduct children and take over their bodies to mine wings. ||“Losing” wings in Eden|| is just us harvesting the collected wings

[wispy parcel]

What’s this about aliens?

[hushed steeple]

Why do I suddenly feel like a villain

[lament crane]

Since we "take-over" 'em... guess we already ARE villains...
From "their" POV... if they would be "sentient" :SkyLOL:

[supple river]

This got dark real fast

[hushed silo]

ohhh i've always had that question!

what if we (the skykids) were servants of a higher force and are farming light to return the power to whatever force we're serving?

[lament crane]

WHAT IF THE SKY KIDS WERE ACTUALLY REAL? AS IN REAL LIFE? AMONG US

[uneven stag]

Lmao

[lament crane]

How would the human population would deal with them

How they would deal with US

[uneven stag]

If the elders were also real, they would definetly be over 2 meters tall.

Like ALL of them

Including the Vault Elder

[lament crane]

Would they get revenge for ALL THOSE TIMES we took over them?

[uneven stag]

No idea

[lament crane]

The sky kids i mean

[uneven stag]

[uneven stag]

Tall grandma/auntie

[lament crane]

Would they "send" us to their digital world and control us like WE done with them?

Would they "get" us to eden to feel the pain along the way they had?

Would they emote-spam with us like WE do to them?

Would we get along with each other eventually?

[uneven stag]

[uneven stag]

Probably. I guess

I honestly have no idea

[short owl]

Sus

[uneven stag]

But the chibi skykids would be ADORABLE irl (if they are not vengeful)

[short owl]

If they were just mixed into our society... I think we'd mostly be fine?

Not everyone plays, and none of them know who their players are

[uneven stag]

But I am kinda surprised at how sturdy they are

[short owl]

But people would probably find them cute immediatly, and they'd be interedted in our very different light sources. Maybe angry that they can't absorb energy from all of them though

[uneven stag]

Interesting

[short owl]

Eventually industries would crop up to support them. Laws would adapt to their presence

[uneven stag]

If that would be the case, I would rather have a skykid than a real child

Welp

Gotta go sneep

[vestal swift]

True thi

Tho*

[uneven stag]

Ikr

Good night

[short owl]

I don't think skykid adoptions wouls be a thing.

Skykids are full grown, and while they may not be used to our economic structure, they still need to be recognised as adults

[graceful osprey]

they probably wont have to. If skykids exist, they cannot exist in earth's conditions, and must be on another planet instead

[old dove]

How about privacy laws? Can you imagine sunbathing in your garden and suddenly, a group of 4 Skykids show up, throwing confetti and making manta + crab deep call?! It would be terrifying and chaos!

[short owl]

Maybe, but they understand gestures

A couple of stomps, a hand and a point towards the gate and they will probably know they aren't welcome

[old dove]

Oooor, they would spam those emotes and point you back in a frenzy
Terrifying!
And they would probably pile tables upon the pool or put a bonefire vertically near my kitchen window, and try to “lit” my dog

[wispy parcel]

Skykids are full grown?

[old dove]

Well, they are different from the ancestors. Even if we call them kids, they might be adults in their way.

[wispy parcel]

Fair point
Plus we reincarnate a lot so that probably racks up mental age

[old dove]

I think so. It’s like if “being a grownup” would be more about knowing a lot of emotes and so that learning from past spirits is helping Skykids to communicate properly. In a more and more complex way and variety.

[wispy parcel]

hm... hey can you even call our reincarnation a "true reincarnation"? We aren't becoming anyone else

we're just... like pheonixs

it's more of a born-again immortality

[short owl]

I bet Skids are the best/worst babysitters

They can probably keep up with the wildest toddler and 3 year old, but might not realize how dangerous they can be

[hushed silo]

i would love a skykid instead of a human child tbh

[short owl]

Skykids are still the adults of their species tho

[hushed silo]

yes

[sharp jetty]

Guys, Rush is light?

Some one say Rush is light other say Rush is alef's father :v

[short owl]

Resh is King

Megabird is star bird

Alef is prince

[pastel brook]

wait who are we talking about?

[hushed silo]

isn’t Alef the king?

[short owl]

Alef may or may not become Resh

In the concepts it went the other way tho

Lil Alef broke us all out of big Resh

[hushed silo]

none of the elders have confirmed names, right?

[sharp jetty]

I thought Rush is the name of alef when become corrupted

[short owl]

They are now "Elder of the <realm>"

[hushed silo]

huh

[short owl]

Common theory

[hushed silo]

uhhh i know vault as Lamed, forest as Teth, and valley as Sah (male presenting) and Mek (female presenting)

mainly cus that’s what names they had when they appeared in our system lmao

[sharp jetty]

Yeah but answer pls the question, Rush is...?

[short owl]

i do not see the twins as gender. Mostly trouble

[sharp jetty]

X2 with no gender

[short owl]

Resh is painfully absent from known lore, despite his presence in it

Like one of those adds that is just a name

[sharp jetty]

And is there any reason to think Rush is light?

[short owl]

Honestly there is not enough information in that question to answer it

[hushed silo]

i say the twins both have no gender but they present as female-male

[wispy parcel]

well everybody is nonbinary canonically yeah?

[hushed silo]

yes, but in my opinion; they present as somewhat binary, the only elder i say that presents as andro is vault elder

[short owl]

GW elder is in battle gear and Isle is literally in a dress.

[hushed silo]

oh yeah true

sorry

[wispy parcel]

....huh?

[sullen axle]

Mmmmmm

It do be late so me go baiiii

[white patio]

Hi

[viral meadow]

They’d be like the legendary “moth man”

Which I saw on a show once while I just so happened to be playing Sky

[livid valley]

If they are in real life our curiosity will be in its highest time and capture all of them doing tests and maybe looking what's the insides

[lethal stump]

i see convos about the elder names, i send the copypasta once again

Isle: Daleth (ד)
Prairie: Ayin (ע)
Forest: Teth (ט)
Valley: Samekh (ס)
Wasteland: Tsadi (צ)
Vault: Lamed (ל)
Prince: Alef (א)
King: Resh (ר)
PLEASE NOTE: These names have appeared in concept art and are often used when referring to the elders. They were never canon, they were placeholders, and now they are fanon.

also elders canonically do not have genders, its up to you to hc what you believe they are

personally i think theyre all genderfluid and able to shapeshift

[wispy parcel]

Well tbh seeing how a sky child’s anatomy works would be interesting

[dreamy solstice]

Do skykids always keep a red candol on them? So that they can whip it out anytime?

[lethal stump]

their red candol is that light in their chest, actually

[dreamy solstice]

hu woa

is that why it glows after collecting ascended candle bits in || orbit?||

[rapid juniper]

No need to spoiler tag

[dreamy solstice]

habit,,

[wispy parcel]

I didn’t know that the red candle is our heart light

[boreal nebula]

I never thought it through about the caption when entering the Village, don't know the exact English version, something along the lines "a spark that ingnite a simple community"

The "spark" maybe is the drinking dancer, an errand performer, just after arriving in the Village he meets Skater Girl and by showing up some moves it ignites her new passion dancing while skating, thus she ask (alot) for the Twirl Master learn from the best

[rapid juniper]

Drinking dancer?

[hushed glen]

in english it's "a spark that inspires a humble community" iirc

[boreal nebula]

...I might recall correctly, I try to remember too hard the line😅

I call it drinking, cause he brings a bottle/vase from which he drinks (and in the finale cutscene, he throw it away so instead of drinking he joins the others skating)

[wispy parcel]

I was not aware the dancer was a drunkard

[near moss]

You ever think about how the elders all have their own animal associated with them except for Valley?

Like Isle has the birds, Prairie has butterflies, I guess Forest could be crab or fish? Wastelands is Krill and Vault is Spirit mantas

Which would you assign for forest, and what do you think about valley?

[pseudo heart]

Valley can be associated with mantas

[wispy parcel]

Probably mantas

[lethal stump]

the old valley constellation was a manta, so yeah, thats probably what theyre associated with

(old as in concepts, never made it to the game iirc)

its like

isle - birds
prairie - butterflies
forest - whale things
valley - mantas
wasteland - krill or whurtles
vault - spirit manta
eden - skids

[rapid juniper]

I haven’t really seen all the concepts of the game

[lethal stump]

the pins are very helpful uwu

[rapid juniper]

Ye

[gray timber]

the clothing change thing has amogus

[sullen axle]

Mmmmnnnn

[past osprey]

🤔this world has pigeons…

[gray timber]

where?
me stupid

[past osprey]

birds near my leg

[lament crane]

Huh... they wouldn't "face" earth conditions... as in environment ... any why not tho

[lament crane]

[lament crane]

Sky kids BEING among us

[sullen axle]

idk man sb above that message talkin sth i didnt read carefuly

also ur pfp noice

[lament crane]

And a veteran Sky Kid, would rush to the little moth to save him from "danger"

• sorry... had a cartoon reference here - :sweat_smile:

[lament crane]

Thank you 😊

[slate saffron]

How old are all the sky kids in game?

Because surely none of them have been around for longer than a day if you don't count homespace as cannon

[lament crane]

Nono... I’m just taking a break

• till the bloom event comes
• same for the new season...
• waiting for the TS

✌🏻

[lethal stump]

what’s that got to do with lore ?

[gray timber]

idk

[livid valley]

Betcha the veteran would be asked on how.the world works and be in a containment cell

[thin dirge]

I kinda had this thought for a while

I had this headcanon that every living being in Sky was born from the Light. The Light we flew to after Eden (AKA Orbit)

[true grove]

👁️👄👁️

Yes

That's true

[thin dirge]

What if all life was born the the Light, but is also a part of it in some way as well? What if all life that is born from the Light is also an incarnation of the Light?

[true grove]

That's true that light is megabird

[thin dirge]

If you dont get what I mean, think about that philosphy "We are the universe that's trying to unferstand itself"

What if its the same in Sky?

All in habitants and living beings in Sky is pretty much an incarnation of the Light, and kind of the Light's way of also experiencing life itself or something like that?

[true grove]

It may not have been shown in sky ever but it was in concepts a lot

Yes that's also a theory, but one with much less evidence

[young ledge]

Unrelated but why does the rain hurt us in forest, when water doesn’t (since we can swim)

[thin dirge]

It just made sense to me somehow though

[true grove]

We don't know if megabird has conciusness

[thin dirge]

Also explains how Megan works

Uh, she does?

It's hinted in Sky

[true grove]

Ahh i can link a doc that has some of the theories archived

[thin dirge]

Well, in the game, it's been shown that the Light literally calls our skid to it

[young ledge]

but related to what you were saying (ok well a little bit) I think that skykids are made of 2 parts light and stone(?). Since when we die in eden we are split into 2 and are reborn when we merge together

[thin dirge]

Like "cmere, child.."

[true grove]

We have discussed that some theories are that the rain water is cold or polluted

And jellyfish clears water on the ground

[thin dirge]

Also, its probably why Sky was originally called "Light awaits"

[young ledge]

that makes some sense, thankyou! Just wanted to know if there was a canon reason (I’m pretty new to this)

[true grove]

There are no canon reasons as far as i know

[thin dirge]

Point of sky lore is to make up our own interpretations!

Though, there is a backbone to the lore

[true grove]

Here's the lore vault
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-SOY_5WrhQ2ftVZEM9VMBsz92-n_53kBzQoHKmY2-24/edit?usp=drivesdk

[young ledge]

on the lines of this, we give the statues in eden winged light, which I believe are the scattered light of those kids

[true grove]

There are theories about everything there

[young ledge]

thankyou! I’ll look into it more when I get the chance

[true grove]

It's a good read very interesting theories

[thin dirge]

Ooh, Vault got updated?

Looks different from last time I read it-

[true grove]

Idk i haven't checked it in a while

[thin dirge]

I haven't been here for a while, so...

[true grove]

Hmmm something is changed

It's just cleaned up a bit looks less chaotic

[thin dirge]

Yeah!

Hmm... Sometime, I should try sharing stuff here more often

I've got a full headcanon timeline of the history of Sky, and a lot of it isn't close to the original concept timeline-

Well, has similarities, but has a lot of differences from it

Or maybe a comic?

Eh, but I'm too busy, I'll probably never finish it-

[lyric isle]

ok but what are krill

They’re organic, yes, but what canon stuff is said about them

I just don’t want my fun krill theories crushed again by canon

been thinking about them

my spirit theories are safe at least

[hoary mountain]

This is the king... Right? But what is it?

Also this... A constellation, that doesn't exist.

[true grove]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[true grove]

That could be the king

[slate saffron]

[formal osprey]

Hi everyone, do we know why the “crown/halo” was never released? Cause i remember seeing it in some promotional materials ages ago
Any speculations on why?

[lethal stump]

its a bug, theyre assets from the prophecy murals, they look the same

[lethal stump]

we dont, but im assuming it was for technical reasons

[cold steppe]

TGC has also removed/changed elements that no longer fit in the storyline they decided to go with

[lethal stump]

yep

[lethal stump]

this is one of them, this is an old part of pre-launch thats no longer related to live game

[cold steppe]

same with the gold pot in Vault

[formal osprey]

What gold pot?

[cold steppe]

this one (not my picture)
#screenshots-and-videos message

[formal osprey]

I hope they will release it when they are ready if that’s the case

[lethal stump]

it might never come back, if you want it back then #wishlist-and-ideas-archived is your friend

[formal osprey]

Tbh i just want something after finishing all 6 constellations

Even if its just more elder cosmetics

But yeah I’ll post in wish list too

[restive cosmos]

I have another theory, kinetic energy

[slate saffron]

NO

I WON'T GO BACK TO SCIENCE CLASS

[restive cosmos]

Or is he?

[slate saffron]

NEVER AGAIN

[restive cosmos]

I haven't even learn that in class

[slate saffron]

[restive cosmos]

I'm safe

[slate saffron]

[restive cosmos]

eden just has the castle, valley is the capital

[slate saffron]

Why is valley the capitol and not eden?

[restive cosmos]

Ask the devs

[slate saffron]

I'm not being sarcastic or anything, I just want to hear your reasoning

[restive cosmos]

But i have evedence to back up my claim

First of all,the stadium

Second of all, little darkness

So the rich go there

There is also more people

[slate saffron]

Understandable, however it could just be that valley was a major urban settlement that was high enough in the moutains that little darkness could reach it

[restive cosmos]

It's possible

[slate saffron]

Like how New York is the most populous city in the United States but not the official capitol, you know?

[restive cosmos]

Ok

I actually heard that from lore chat

[slate saffron]

also I feel like the massive castle in eden would be something that a Kingdom's capitol would have

[restive cosmos]

What about the stadium

Looks like olympics can be held there

[slate saffron]

Well Valley's whole motif was it's themes around competitions and sports!

[restive cosmos]

Yes

[slate saffron]

So them having a stadium where the rich can watch people compete for entertainment seems like something a rich area like Valley would have

[restive cosmos]

There is also dream skater girl dancing there

[slate saffron]

She does live literally right next to it, so it seems to make sense!

[restive cosmos]

The dancing is the main focus,not the skater girl

She proves that dancing can be held there

[slate saffron]

Yeah, the stadium is a place for competition

And she live right next to it

So if she were going to compete she would probably end up doing it there

[restive cosmos]

Idk I'm still convinced that valley is the capital

[slate saffron]

Well, how about I give you some evidence that eden is the capitol instead?

[restive cosmos]

Ok

Why are you taking so long

[slate saffron]

Alright so first off: the barracks on the way into eden

[gentle musk]

can anyone explain me the eden story and who is thin KING?

[restive cosmos]

If you look inside,there is spears and shilds

[slate saffron]

It has a far more intricate design then any other of structures in the realms so far (besides vault) and is guarding the seemingly only passage into the area

[restive cosmos]

After out debate

[gentle musk]

?

[restive cosmos]

Fair enough

[slate saffron]

Because of this the barracks were likely a checkpoint where soliders would patrol for threats and ensure only non-hazardous civilians could move further along

[restive cosmos]

Yes

Besides,there isn't much homes in eden

All is just military bases

[slate saffron]

2. Religious/cultural significance

Eden is seemingly the only place where light creatures can enter orbit and is the final destination for the light creatures who had been traveling with you in their migration

[restive cosmos]

Yes

Wait a sec

[slate saffron]

It's also (based on the concept art) at the kingdom's center and is the eye of the storm

[restive cosmos]

What if eden was the capital

But valley took over

After Eden went boom

[gentle musk]

i dont understand what is going on here😕

[pseudo heart]

I don't think so..

[slate saffron]

I don't think so as that doesn't really make much sense based on the evidence that we have so far, but it could be true!

[restive cosmos]

I'm too lazy to explain

[slate saffron]

If the sky kingdom didn't collapse after eden's fall

That is

[pseudo heart]

Eden and Valley both thrived at the same time period, Valley being the main residential area and Eden being the capital and the King's residence

[slate saffron]

Sorry! Me and red cape are having a bit of a debate at the moment.

[gentle musk]

lol

[restive cosmos]

@pseudo heart can you help me explain?

[slate saffron]

I agree . That makes a lot of sense in my opinion!

[restive cosmos]

Could work

[pseudo heart]

Oh?? Explain what :O?

[slate saffron]

I think they're talking about this! @pseudo heart

[restive cosmos]

Yes

[pseudo heart]

Ooooh Eden's story..... Is uh kaboom

[gentle musk]

yes

[pseudo heart]

Zjsjejjejnensnnwns

Well okay so

[slate saffron]

Eden simply explained:

Eden went kaboom, king went kasploom, and society went suboom

[gentle musk]

who si king and what society?

[pseudo heart]

What happened in Eden is still a bit of a mystery which the lore people are still trying to make sense of, though one of the most popular theory is that the Eden Diamond which is seen in Stormlock right now went kaboom

[slate saffron]

Oh and Storm went cachoom

[pseudo heart]

The King is a character that somehow plays a very important and significant role in Sky right now though we still don't know what it is. Statues of the king can be seen throughout the maps especially GW

You see that diamond like-head in the buildings of GW? That's him

[gentle musk]

ok...

[slate saffron]

The king is a bit of a mysterious figure we know very little about. He doesn't feature in the game itself but like Ali just said has many statues dedicated to himself throughout the Golden wasteland!

[restive cosmos]

Eden story:king or prince discover dark stone,get obsessed with dark stone,kisses big dark stone diamond and and it went boom

[gentle musk]

lol

thx

[pseudo heart]

Though everything is up for interpretation, all we know of is that eden is in shambles and that there's a king and king cannot be saved anymore

[slate saffron]

He may have even supplanted the megabird (the giant star constellation at the end credits) in worship at one! However this is uncertain

[pseudo heart]

So..

Where were we

I just realized that it was mentioned somewhere in the blog that Hermit Valley was one of the highest areas in the realm (???) Then that'd mean it's the same level as Citadel 👁️

Time to make a map

[lapis notch]

MakE MAP

What’s the highest place in Sky after the Eden Castle?

Vault of Knowledge?

[slate saffron]

Probably! It is inside a moutain after all

[slate saffron]

HEY GUYS GALS AND NON-BINARY PALS I JUST HAD AN IDEA

What if the Darkness Plant is an invasive species that's native to the Hidden Forrest and not the Golden wasteland?

[graceful osprey]

i think it is natural

it was supposed to always exist everywhere

i think

[slate saffron]

BUT I BRING COOL AND POGGERS EVIDENCE

Introducing... (drumroll please) Dark Plant invasion theory!

The explanation for where the Dark Plant came from, how it spread to the other realms, and what type of plant it is to begin with!

Alright so the first part is identifying what type of plant Dark Plants actually are! Now the first time we see Darkness Plants in any major capacity is in the hidden forrest. Besides the tress, the only other types of vegetation around is the fungus (both the light and normal varieties seen below)

[graceful osprey]

ii think the "normal" varieties are just dead ones

[distant turtle]

Why is the ceiling of the wasteland temple interior slanted? Is it because that chamber deeper in than the exterior building we see? I personally think the slant is meant to be the slope of the mountain, like this chamber is excavated from the mountain.

[slate saffron]

Yeah but they're also really solid which doesn't look like what the dead light fungus would behave like (as they're really translucent and you can float through them)

[distant turtle]

If you fly up to the skylights, they are rugged like natural rock, not bricks.

[graceful osprey]

ok so your point is strega?

(also i cannot think of what dead light fungi look like)

[slate saffron]

Well, what if the Darkness Plants are actually just a Fungus like the other two varieties described? When you compare them side by side the Darkness Plants look pretty similar (besides being a bit more menacing)

[short owl]

Maybe dark shroom plants made it to GW with imported mantas from Forest. We know mantas get pretty close to them.

Aaaand I am gonna step away because this is reminding me of those mushrooms that take over ants

[slate saffron]

And (like fungus) the Dark Plants tend to be found in dirty water and dead bodies!

[slate saffron]

That was actually the point I was about to make! We know what the Darkness Plants looks like when it's flowering and (assummedly) releasing spores, so what if those spores were carried over to the various realms by the commodores (what I'm calling the people who piloted the flying boats carrying supplies) as they traveled?

After all, the only other area before the GW and Rainforest to have any type of Darkness plant around is the ending area of daylight prairie where we see commodores traveling to and from carrying supplies!

[short owl]

A relevant question then is why the shrooms weren't already there. Maybe mantas only got infected due to cages kept close to the ground?

If mantas are used to resting on clouds or really high in trees, they might not normally get infected. And if they did, they might not make it past Valley to replant anywhere else

[distant turtle]

My feeling about dark plants is that they symbolize that the cycle of light up to Orbit and back down again has been stagnant. Like algae grows on standing water, darkness plants grow on stagnant life-force.

[slate saffron]

That's a really good point actually! It would make sense that the mantas might spread the spores further because of the cages

[distant turtle]

My guess is that dark plants weren't common when the ancestors were alive.

[slate saffron]

It might represent that actually! After all the darkness plants seem to only grow upon the bodies of the dead, ruined structures, and polluted/dirty water

[distant turtle]

This is still a great perspective, that the darkness plants are a normal thing under these conditions.

I like this idea a lot

[slate saffron]

Now the darkness plants also seem to have trouble growing in the sunlight and seem to prefer darkness or cloud-cover (which from my limited knowledge is a common trait among fungus). This (plus the point Paul made) might be why they seem to be shriveled and small in the daylight prairie, while all encompassing in the GW!

[wispy parcel]

Good morning

[short owl]

Does this imply that their size in the forest implies the occasional burst of sunligjt? Or are the light mushrooms enough to keep them limited?

[slate saffron]

Adding on to that, the reason they might not grow in the Valley is because of it's high altitude which means there's little shade for it to grow in and it's far to cold and dry to make it welcoming for the darkness plants (which is also a trait in fungus, as they tend to perfer humid and moist environments)

[short owl]

And dry

Snow can be really really dry

Oh you said that

Sorry

[slate saffron]

I think it's more a matter that there's an abundance of nutrients in the GW rather than light bursts in the Rainforest!

After all the place is a humid desert covered in a thick layer of clouds and littered with pools of extremely polluted water!

And if it's a warzone well...

that's a lot of dead bodies to grow on

[wispy parcel]

that makes sense

[slate saffron]

(Sorry that this is late) good morning!

In an environment like that only a few spores would need to survive the trip into the GW through the Valley in order for them to spread like mad! It basically the perfect conditions for them to grow in with no competition or limiting factors that could stop their spread like in the Hidden forrest

[distant turtle]

WL Temple entrance, giant wall, mountain sloping upward, WL temple interior with 3 linear skylights.

[slate saffron]

Yeah, I agree! If the WL temple is supposed to be a stronghold that's defending Vault, then it would make sense that part of it would be carved into the mountain as then the only way to enter would be to go through it instead of over or around

[true grove]

Someone said wall

Also

Isn't that wasteland temple 👁️ 👄 👁️

That may prove that we travel in a fake vault

[distant turtle]

Did you ever find this picture?

[short owl]

The vault wasn't even whole in the concepts

The top was crystal and it was surrounded by cut trees

[crimson grove]

Actually, yeah! Thank you for reminding me 😄 credits to Nagati for the pic:

[distant turtle]

I am blown away

[crimson grove]

I miss that a lot

[true grove]

Tgc really tried to bring all concepts to life

[distant turtle]

It's exactly like the beautiful Tom Zhao concept art

[lethal stump]

what's the "activate an ancient engine" quest ? i havent heard of that

[crimson grove]

I think it was just activating one of the doors in the forest

It didn't really work most of the time 😄

[lethal stump]

ooooh

[distant turtle]

I found a video with this reach the highest peak in wasteland quest, but it was unrelated to that viewpoint. Too bad!

[lethal stump]

could you send the video ? im curious owo

[distant turtle]

It's amazing that there's so much detail, even the buildings. Was this all above the temple in the battlefield?

[crimson grove]

I think so, but I honestly don't remember

[distant turtle]

https://youtu.be/79MVlRmMBcM 4 minutes 41 seconds

There is a King statue in the corner of the image but the clouds are all different from what we have now

I don't recognize the terrain either

[short owl]

Do you think elder masks come off

[rose gorge]

isnt isles like broken off?

[short owl]

Ye but that's broken off not taken off

You can break off a lot of things that don't "come off"

[rose gorge]

fair

id assume they’d be able to since we see the masks can get damaged and they’d probably get them fixed while not attached to their face

[broken basin]

I think it really can't be the temple, that castle with a broken middle is in orbit! And wasteland is quite the descend from there, so

[haughty talon]

For reference. This symbol is there everywhere in sky...

[hushed glen]

yeah i noticed it on the pipa instrument

[distant turtle]

I think the Elders have one

[cobalt iris]

considerin that you can remove your own, i think so

but the masks must have some kind of power

[hushed glen]

agreed

[cobalt iris]

isn't that texture on the lake leading to office?

[distant turtle]

Yes, and the one on the lake is from the left end of the concept art timeline. But it's also in this concept art of the base of the mountain

[cobalt iris]

dammn

that concept art tho

that was supposed to be the base of the mountain before?

it really shows how vault wasn't part of the original plan at all

[short owl]

Nah Vault was there

It was just a borken tower

[cobalt iris]

the concept art on office actually doesn't have vault there

[short owl]

I was looking for the thing but I lack concept fu

Ir was a cut tower with crystals off the top, very short and surrounded by cut trees

Not in the mountian like it is now

[distant turtle]

I'm no good at drawing especially on my phone but Vault is inside the mountain

[short owl]

I was refering to a concept paul

That's why I said "concept fu"

[distant turtle]

But In that mountain concept art, we wouldn't be able to tell if they had Vault in mind or not, because you can't see Vault.

It sounds cool. I've never seen that one. There's relatively little Vault concept art. I feel they scrapped the whole Holy Land and City and Ark thing (old Night level concept) for Vault, so we have more City concept art than Vault

[lethal stump]

looks like graveyard to me, or the entrance to battlefield from graveyard

[distant turtle]

@sudden sleet Hi. Do you have any additional insight to share about this screenshot?

[crimson grove]

Ooh, double mod ping

[distant turtle]

Right, sorry, it's just part of the conversation

[crimson grove]

It's alright I hope they can share more details from ye olden days

[sudden sleet]

Haha, no worries. Frodo Mysterious Mountain Screenshot lives!

[sudden sleet]

Admittedly not a whole lot. This was from the late beta version of the game, at some point around April-May of 2019, but I think it was removed at least a month or two before global release.
For a while in the beta, whenever you forged a candle the sky would turn dark, like it was nighttime. For a relatively short period they added extra effects like seeing extra stars or galaxies, or this kind of effect. It definitely had Orbit vibes at a couple points. This was the only place in the game this pattern appeared.

[distant turtle]

Thank you. I find it so interesting, because both the screenshot and the mountainside concept art have buildings above the carvings. I think these buildings would be a great addition to a future season.

[rugged schooner]

Theory time: Elder twins are British.
They have Cricket paddles

[short owl]

Counter theory: the elder twins are the cricket paddles

[distant turtle]

They're called geoglyphs. Check out the Condor 😉

[signal cave]

It’s been a while since I’ve popped in, how’s it goin lore chat?

[gray timber]

idk

[rapid juniper]

Good

[tired vault]

I didnt read all of it, but going back to the masks thing, I think it’s important that the first elder we see’s “defect” is a broken mask. Each of them had a “defect”: broken mask, (can’t remember prairie’s), forging material, sport ball, spear/will, memory pod. I think everything that’s broken corresponds to how what their former purpose was is now gone—but has been reforged with the influx of skykids. I think that it’s important that the first thing broken we’re introduced to is the mask. In this essay I will

[dry temple]

random observations
-The capes seem to be solar powered as they run and recharge on light
-If Skykids are light and therefore energy, how does energy wear cosmetics
-The Isle boats appear to have been inspired by Viking longboats
-Valley is an industrial and commercial hub and Wasteland probably was before it was corrupted
-we are just pests in krill gardens

[pseudo heart]

Lmao the last one

[gray timber]

• everything is dead and if it's not then it will die

[wispy parcel]

I wonder how sky people work exactly

Like, we’re all basically little golems with candlelight hearts

Yet we can breathe, eat and such at times

Also we look so empty without all the outfits and such

[quiet crystal]

Actually have we ever saw Sky-kids eat? Like in-game (not like )

[signal cave]

Dang I’ve never considered the lore aspect of that

[quiet crystal]

But isn’t that drinking?

[wet talon]

Ye but still consumption

O

Poof

[signal cave]

Lol

[crimson grove]

@wet talon please don't mention beta spoilers in the live channels, even spoiler tagged. you can talk about it in #beta-discussion for now or wait until it goes live

[wet talon]

Btw I have sum questions

O sorry

Why do skykids wear masks????

And why do realms open/how do they open-

[signal cave]

The age-old question: is the ‘mask’ their face, or is it a mask? Technically there is a ‘mask less’ mask so I’d assume skids choose to wear masks, as to why idk

[wet talon]

Were elders former skykids, friends on an adventure, or smt? (Pardon if there is lore regarding this)

Oooh I seee...