lore-discussion-spoilers

[jade river]

I mean the both views are correct

[icy bison]

how does it look like a manta?

[jade river]

Im just saying lmao

[icy bison]

i'm actually interested in your theory

[jade river]

I think it looks like a manta

Doesent look like a bird tho

Supercluster are massive accumulations of galaxies

Galaxies have stars

Stars = skykids

Fallen stars = spirits and skykids maybe?

If we consider that megabird supercluster can be considered god since it can create life like real superclusters in our own universe

[icy bison]

megabird, in lore and concept art , looks a bit like this (rough drawing)

[jade river]

In the end both views are correct

[icy bison]

its usually a round ball with several squiggly lines

[jade river]

That looks like one of those jellyfishes in eden

But i get the idea

[icy bison]

here it is! megabird

[jade river]

Ah it makes sense

[jade river]

Yeah now ur asociation with those pillars are true

But something isnt right for me

why those pillars point to sanctuary islands?

And not

Orbir

*orbit

Ik its a ingame stuff but if its part of megabird culture then why only at sanctuary?

And not like

At vault

Or valley even

maybe TGC just found the pillar fancy and added them, lets be real, maybe TGC doesent even know the lore

[gray timber]

YEAH LET'S JUST SAY MAGABIRB IS A GALAXY GODDESS OR SOMETHIng

[icy bison]

well, according to the backstory timeline, sancutary and daylight prairie was when society was new. everyone worshipped megabird. but as time went on, the elders got more, and more disconnected from megabird. they stopped going to eden, and became grounded (note the blue, cold almost stone like appearance of elders and etc)

megabird is warm tones, etc, so the elders being dark signify them being grounded.

[jade river]

Also its common of older societies to relate galactic structures with gods and divine beings

Meaning our both theories can be true at the same time

[icy bison]

yeah

i think you're right in megabird being a galactic being

[jade river]

Its like

Semi alive

Since ut consists of probably

[icy bison]

like zeus and stuff, right? you know, gods

[jade river]

MILLIONS of skykids

So it isnt a sentient being pn its own but a bunch of a lot of skykids who became stars

[icy bison]

this was an old concept art for the arches we see for the different realms

[jade river]

damm that GW door looks AWESOME

[icy bison]

note how it starts out with the megabird being very prominent in the first and second gate, but the king being prominent and shifting in valley and golden wasteland

[jade river]

Such as the shift of medieval times with paintings and stories narrating god to the more industralized infrastrucutre

[icy bison]

with the findings of dark stones, according to the backstory timeline, society of the elders thought they were better than, quote "this false god" since they could make their own tech

[jade river]

Thats a good theory the change of infrastructure representing the change of ideology of the elders

[icy bison]

i mean, it starts off very simple, the world of sky. open fields, primitive homes. but as you get further along, you can observe more and more complex, detailed structures (valley of triumph being the "golden age")

[jade river]

Well back to my original point i believe megabird isnt an alive god neither the creator of everything

But a massive structure of millions of stars aka ascended spirits and skykids

But hey its just a theory

So i may be wrong

[gray maple]

a game th e o r y

[icy bison]

however, megabird supposedly existed before everything. like the sun. and skids are the "descendants" of elders. like, a subspecies

[jade river]

Y E S

[jade river]

Maybe a big bang but megabirdy?

Everything was once in a single place

Until

Boom universe

[icy bison]

yeah! that'd be interesting

[jade river]

Meaning the megabird isnt anymore and its spread in the universe

And what we see are its remains or new shape

[icy bison]

here's a few pics from concept art i think might interest you : D

[jade river]

Oh i've seen those images

[jade river]

I would differ from the crabs tbg

Since it seems crabs are infected

[icy bison]

has anyone figured out how crabs were created?

[jade river]

Considering in sanctuary there are harmless crabs

That do no damage at all

So aside of ligt and dark lifeforms

[icy bison]

i remember TGC gave a hint at some point

[jade river]

Pure neutral forms exist

[jade river]

The movement patterns of the crabs represent their origin

I think that was the sentencr

[icy bison]

yeah

what was their origin?

[jade river]

Or lifetime

Tbh

I have no idea

Never thougjt of it

My best aproach is

Crabs are pure neutral lifeforms, neither ligut neither dark

Its confirmed massive light waves can stun them, but not destroy tjem

[icy bison]

though, the corrupted crabs drop off dark dust from their body, like krills do

[jade river]

Also they can be infected by darkness

And strike against skykids to purify themselves

And return to a neutral state

Thats what i think

I may be wrong tho

Since i NEVER theorized crabs before

[gray maple]

On the topic of the is megabird a god or cluster topic, i'm pretty sure in one beta version of isle a golden bird-like thing flew over the skykid and thats what woke the skykid up. Maybe megabird is light itself? we're children of light, and megabird is all of us, skykids and spirits both. We are light, but ion know abt the spirits.

[queen locust]

An old Megabird in case ya'll needed it

[jade river]

Concept art?

Pog

[jade river]

Well your theories sound awesome but i'll stick with my thought that megabird isnt a god but a supercluster

[queen locust]

man comparing that old megabird to this thing hits different-

[jade river]

Megabird supercluster

Cuz i love astronomy

[queen locust]

Old Megabird barely covered a planet and this thing that we think is Megabird is an entire supercluster

[jade river]

True

Well some may think its god

Others its a galactic structure

In the end

Its just a theory

And i LOVE

Hearing theories

So imma keep debating to until we create the ultimate massive super complex theory of sky

[queen locust]

I'm just waiting on one of those Iceberg vids

[jade river]

im sure TGC does not know the sky lore and just let us think what's all about

we are doing their job of making lore

[queen locust]

Considering they have the next two years planned and Prophecy is a thing I doubt they're going into this blind

[jade river]

maybe they are

[queen locust]

Back to Megabird though, I'm not too surprised that their sapience is called into question

The bird might have been a deity in concepts but until it's blatant in the game that giant golden lump in space is going to remain dubiously godly

[jade river]

Indeed

Well im an atheist so i really dont assume a massive shiny thing is god

Also i love astronomy and it really ressembles a galactic supercluster

Also a common mistake of ancient civilizations its to see galactic structures as gods and divine beings

So it can be a god in the eyes of the kingdom

But a galactic supercluster

[queen locust]

I mean- I'm an atheist as well but I can't exactly deny the less than scientific happenings of Sky and the possibility of a deity in this universe

They have a magic system in place for god's sake

[keen bear]

Ah I love this lore so much this is the first time I have ever looked at it before

[queen locust]

Ah- welcome then XD

[jade river]

True lmao

[jade river]

Welcome to lore chat

U cant leave, just lore

Well its just a theory

I think its misconception as it happens on our universe where an ancient civilization thinks a galactic structure its a god

in the end its just a theory

[keen bear]

The theory and just thought out process of the game is just beautiful

[jade river]

Exactly

This gamr so precious and fascinating that makes u think

whats the story of this

I love the lore of this game

And i have my own fan theory

Some disagree others agree AND THATS WHY I LOVE LORE

THERE ARE SO MANY THEORIES

[keen bear]

I could definitely lose realities to this game, living in it would be amazing

[jade river]

That u never stop being surprised with a new theory

[jade river]

It would be awesome

[keen bear]

Is there more regarding places like oob valley?

[jade river]

Hmmm idk

I need to do more explorations to find lore

[keen bear]

Mm thank you for all the information!

[jade river]

Np!

[distant turtle]

OK but we're talking about a game where the stars are sometimes shown to be conscious entities. A star cluster or galaxy would be a super-entity, which is the idea of Megabird.

[jade river]

True

But i dont see it as a god or sentient thing it can be one but i just dont believe it lmao

(Doesent mean i'll refuse to listen other theories tho)

I love hearing theories and discuss lore

[distant turtle]

What I love about this image is that these made it into the game, but as the entryway for each level's temples rather than the main aesthetic throughout the levels.
The other thing I love about this image is that the "bird of light" morphs into a stick figure and then into the King symbols, suggesting a trend away from unity with the cosmos, toward egotism. The temple doorways still have elements of this here and there in the live game, especially Prairie's and Wasteland's.

[distant turtle]

It's not an Abrahamic notion of a God but more like a Cosmic Consciousness notion

[jade river]

Interesting view

[wispy portal]

What is the wasteland and why does it look so gloomy?

[icy bison]

i love how you explained that, its amazing.

[icy bison]

wasteland is a large battle fortress and potential light power plant.

[wispy portal]

Then I hit him that it was a power plant

[icy bison]

pfft, haha

yeah, i think foremost it was a powerplant (something like nuclear power plants we see irl, due to the amount of waste and pipes leaking toxic sewage its creating)

but it was suggested in backstory timeline it was a fortress the king built in case of another creature attack

[wispy portal]

I gather that it must have been the most important industrial area in the kingdom

And by some catastrophic failure, it would leave all the waste and stale water throughout the wasteland

[icy bison]

another thing that makes me think it was akin to nuclear power plants we see is the amount of waste it is still producing today, even after hundreds of years of the elders being gone, possibly thousands. nuclear energy factories were known for being very high maintenance and continuening to produce waste even years after the factory no longer worked

we also see the same things we saw in forest, except a lot more bigger, and broken.

depicted: how exactly darkstone crystals were made. nasty process that combined the dark stone ore being mined from trees in hidden forest, combined with light from the creatures, to produce darkstone crystals.

there was also a more gruesome depiction of how they trapped the creatures in cages, filling the batteries we see rotating when the doors to forest temple open

and then they'd get the residue towed away to golden wasteland

[wispy portal]

I can't stop thinking that the krills came out of those wastes

[icy bison]

yeah, i love the ideas of krills. there was a few early concepts of whales becoming krills

the light from whales would distort and harden, making the hard spikes you see on krills

what i adore is golden wasteland temple concept art..

so majestic..

[wispy portal]

I always thought that the wasteland would come out of place in such a beautifully visual game as this, but it adds a touch of seriousness to the story, despite the story being completely silent.

[icy bison]

not to mention, have you seen what you were supposed ot go up against in golden wasteland before?

it was a lot darker.

[wispy portal]

I haven't seen it

[queen locust]

I see we're talking concept krill

good luck sleeping tonight m8

[icy bison]

eh

here's what you were supposed to go against

sentry towers.

note how the concept art was based off of post nuclear apoc pictures

[queen locust]

we used to have giant black void mouths of nothing and you're concerned about sentry towers-

I applaud you-

[icy bison]

i mean

mouths

just eat

sentry towers searching and focusing on you? ohhh boy

[wispy portal]

it looks just terrifying

[unkempt gust]

I'm happy we just have krills😅

[queen locust]

the point was that they eat you and I'm just glad that sentry towers don't really do that

[icy bison]

there was going to be spiders.

giant, dark spider things.

and squids

[queen locust]

Oh yeah- rip for the arachnophobes

[icy bison]

well- octopuses

but i don't thnk i would have been scared of those mouth things much

[hushed steeple]

I always thought that the only reason krills attack us are because they can’t seem to find a light of hope and they get overly excited to see shiny or light things and go to them to fast killing it and get sad looking for it again

[icy bison]

they look like sock puppets

[wicked plover]

Krilled whales?

[unkempt gust]

I like that idea

[icy bison]

just look at those spiders.. shudders

i can appreicate the beauty in truly terrifying things

[queen locust]

that's

actually pretty cute

[hushed steeple]

One thing I think they should add is a way to beat Eden

[wispy portal]

the concept art of the krills looked scarier

[hushed steeple]

That would be interesting

[queen locust]

wouldn't mind the squids showing up actually-

or the spiders-

[wicked plover]

I'd actually like to see them

[queen locust]

Then again clearly we have different definitions of fear so

[hushed steeple]

I think if you tried to burn the crabs a bigger one or a lobster would come and attack you in like in the wastelands

[unkempt gust]

Wouldn't that Defeat the purpose of Eden?

[icy bison]

though,, sometimes i think of the old golden wasteland route we were to take.. over the walls, and such.

[hushed steeple]

True but it would be cool, though hard

[icy bison]

i think it would be interesting if they added turrets and krills..

[queen locust]

Technically if we'd managed to save all the kids that's 'beating' Eden

Destroying the diamond was never our job

[icy bison]

imagine, escaping the eye of a krill, but wandering into the eye of a turret...

[hushed steeple]

Maybe a way to befriend krills or how they’d like line if they were light and happy

[icy bison]

i have a theory that the diamond is the kings prison.

[queen locust]

treat it like the convenience store security camera you'll be fine

[wispy portal]

The wasteland is like the forbidden zone of the kingdom

[hushed steeple]

I feel like the stars we collect are gifts from the spirits who died and waiting for their souls to be relieved

[icy bison]

i feel like finding a way to "beat eden" is not possible. sky is a game of life and death, and coming to terms that death is simply a point of life. that it's scary, yeah, but it's going to happen. there is no way to stop it.

[queen locust]

As pessimistic as that sounds, I agree

[hushed steeple]

True

[queen locust]

Beating Eden would render the Rebirth cycle useless

[icy bison]

death is beautiful, you know?

death happens. just accept it. don't fight it, and try to help everyone that you can before you die

[hushed steeple]

After such a long time you die, knowing all the people you cared for and helped will always remember you and you’ll never be forgotten

Because as much as you put it you were so special to some people

[queen locust]

man just seeing some of these responses makes me feel thankful some of you have some shred of optimism left in you people-

[icy bison]

yeah, that's why i like there's no way to render eden completely useless. to never be able to go there again. i've connected with a lot of friends over the struggle it takes to get past eden.

[queen locust]

hold onto that tight and never let go I beg you-

[icy bison]

i used to be really depressed and embraced the idea of death, but on learning so much on death it seemed,, softer?

[queen locust]

I mean- death's like your inner demons

When you grow older you're not really looking at them the same way as you once did some time ago

[hushed steeple]

I may still be depressed but death is just another step in life, if not the final one.

[queen locust]

You realize death is just there- it's patient and it's waiting

You realize that those demons are still just you

And only you

[hushed steeple]

It’s waiting for you time and it’s not going away, the things you want to do you have to do them before it’s too late, even if you don’t accomplish everything you did so much before that moment where you finally say goodbye and take you last minutes

[icy bison]

it's not really the last step. it's just, the thing where you save the game. look back. and then go on, into a new chapter.

[hushed steeple]

Yeah

What I think they should do is add pets

[hushed steeple]

YASSSSSSSuh

Like that you can equipe, a small mantray or krill by completing a quest in a season or sum

[queen locust]

the day we tame krill is the day i might just believe that the world of Sky is not in some kind of depressing, perpetual stasis

[fading summit]

Y’all, Deep story..
I think that the krills are dead journey kids.
Click this reaction if u wanna hear
🔽

[icy bison]

?

[queen locust]

May I uh- interject and say that lore-wise Journey has nothing to do with Sky

Still wanna hear though

[hushed steeple]

I think krills are just look for a friend tbh

[fading summit]

Ah- Okie >^< Is #general-sky-discussion would be the correct channel?

[icy bison]

yeah

[hushed steeple]

They get too excited and head bumb you killing the light and they get confused doing it again

[queen locust]

There's #other-tgc-games as well, that covers Journey

[fading summit]

Okie, If you wanna hear you can go there

[icy bison]

in the backstory timeline, they are like "hollows", corrupted by the storm

the explosion caused by the destruction of edens castle caused a huge storm, along withcorruption and darkness to sprad through the kingdom

https://youtu.be/724Fd53mzPY

🤔

[hushed steeple]

I have a lot of creature ideas ngl

[icy bison]

share?

[hushed steeple]

Like lore ideas too

Like maybe lobsters would be a good add, if the crabs go disturbed too much it would come out of the dark and attack you

[fading summit]

I was told this is a good channel for Theories and Story telling?

Sooo...

Okay, Who wants to hear a story?

[hushed steeple]

Way to escape it is flying up and avoiding its tail because one of its attack methods it jumping up and hitting you with its tail

[icy bison]

sure

[hushed steeple]

Sure

Pft-

[fading summit]

I have a theory, That goes with the story
Click this Reaction If u wanna hear both
🔽

[hushed steeple]

[fading summit]

Okie!

Theory: Krills are..Dead Journey Kids?
Story: How Did They Become Krills?..

Why does it keep getting deleted

[hushed steeple]

Rip-

[fading summit]

I-

[hushed steeple]

Maybe it’s too long

[fading summit]

Ok @median vortex and @hushed steeple I’ll DM u guys and make a group, for the story

[hushed steeple]

Alright!

[rapid juniper]

Hm how did they become dead krills

I mean skids

[fading summit]

I’m supposed to be making a group for that RN..and My brain totally forgot how to do that!

[rapid juniper]

Oh cool

Well its quite easy to make a theory on your own

[fading summit]

No like-

[rapid juniper]

Yee

[fading summit]

My brain totally forgot how to make a group chat

I can make a backstory in 30 seconds

[rapid juniper]

Its prolly darkstone that made them krills

[magic gust]

or corrupting darkness

or they existed as that form

and only migrated due to the Fall

[rapid juniper]

Ok lemme just share my theory i just realized the elements does have a use in each realm the blue one makes rain for forest the earth one makes floaty islands at praire and the wind one is making valley windy

But like why rain ?

[restive cosmos]

I have a question:how powerful is megabird?

[rapid juniper]

Super powerful

Not sure

[restive cosmos]

Is he like the christian god or like Zeus

[pseudo heart]

She's uhh

[rapid juniper]

Birb

[pseudo heart]

Uhhhhhh

Birb yes

[rapid juniper]

Birb birb birb

[restive cosmos]

[frank plaza]

Megabird doesn't have any apparent influence (and is potentially not even canon depending)

[stiff ferry]

Hey guys, I’ve a question
Who do the bones in Graveyard (GW) belong to? Which creatures died there?

[restive cosmos]

Wurtals

[pseudo heart]

Whurtles yee

[pseudo heart]

Uhh idk but I wanna point out that Hidden Forest's old name was once "Weeping Forest" and tbh it fits more

[rapid juniper]

Oki

[gray timber]

I kinda want the octopus to come back
we need more dark creature variety

[old dove]

How about fire? The elder in wasteland seams to put it inside some kind of turret. Could it be the canons up the entrance to vault?

[rapid juniper]

Maybe

[old dove]

What’s your opinión about that? Could it be a map they used for their boats? The first one is repeated in prairie and valley. The 3rd image looks like Isle constellation. The last one, I have no clue...

[gilded spoke]

The last one is maybe the three big dots are the places to activate the mantas while the two small ones are the twos ways to get here, and the dot in the middle is the island in the middle

[old dove]

That makes sense.

[true grove]

I have a theory that eden king is ||the friends we made along the way||

[bitter shale]

So i just take a picture... are these falling stars-

HmMMMmmmM

[pseudo heart]

Where's that—

[bitter shale]

Home

Above the wardrobe

[pseudo heart]

O

[bitter shale]

[pseudo heart]

Why did u bring that cursed thing here—

[true grove]

That's a relic from early beta those constellations are for different animals
Prairie one with 5 nodes is a turtle
Prairie cave one is an eel
Bird's nest and valley ones is a bird

You used to collect bunch of fragments which gave you patterns on your cape and a candle
It was accidentally activated in beta recently and we got it see how it was but there was no animal sadly

[bitter shale]

Because i have nitro

And it will end tommorow

[true grove]

Finally no cursed stickers by floshie

[pseudo heart]

My gosh the amount of detail and thought put into those Light Awaits capes

[bitter shale]

Only for it to be scrapped

[pseudo heart]

F in the chat pls

[bitter shale]

I mean we didnt want this game to be real phone burner anyway

[pseudo heart]

Okay but JUS THINK ABOUT HOW ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL THOSE CAPES ARE

I'd take a microwave phone any day

If it meant I'll see my liddol skykid flapping round with their pretty cape

[bitter shale]

Recently??

Does anyone have a screenshot of that in beta..?

[pseudo heart]

Heard about it too.. meditation circles started appearing right?

[bitter shale]

Oh... Only that?

Not the pattern on cape thing?

Man

[true grove]

Ahh lemme see if i have a ss

Rip no ss

[bitter shale]

Its okay

[true grove]

But i found some pics of when bridge used to work

[bitter shale]

Whoa-

Now thats some cool stuff-

[true grove]

Ye it was epic

The bridge went down

Then a door slides open as you slide down

Idk why they changed that

[restive cosmos]

Don't copy me

[true grove]

Idk you said the same thing

[restive cosmos]

I said something similar

I said the eden elder is the friends we made along the way

[inland narwhal]

I put together dream cutscene and few non seasonal ancestor’s memories and made a video.

[hushed steeple]

Does anyone know about that Island? I'm new here

[true grove]

You didn't saw my reply on #screenshots-and-videos

[true grove]

Where is it

[trail oyster]

so basically, i once watched this film called minority report, and there were these fortune teller people that basically got mentally and physically fed by this stuff called photon milk. Since photons are basically light, does that mean we also rely on a similar source of energy? like, we don't eat, so we either photosynthesise or we rely on photons

[sacred rapids]

I'm like 80% sure that's the opening cutscene island(s)

[lethal stump]

i dont think skykids need to consume to survive, we're technically not alive by scientific standards

[stark marten]

Yes, they are. A while back it used to be possible to glitch over there, some people did and posted screenshots. While they were on the islands, you could see the murals from the opening cutscene on them

[hoary violet]

yayyyyyyy we’re dead

why do some spirits have capes but some don’t

it’s kinda sus

were only select members of society granted the gift of aviation

[stark marten]

I think the ancestors before us didn't use the capes for flying, it was just decorative clothing or for warmth like how people in the real world would wear capes or cloaks

[slate saffron]

It also seems sort of like a honorary thing or a gift after completing some sort of rite of passage (based on the dream's most reason cut scene)!

[sudden sundial]

Are u thinking that those two islands are valley???

[true grove]

👁️ nope

[sudden sundial]

What do we think those islands are?

[stark marten]

It was explained up above, they are the islands where the game introduction cutscene takes place, the murals are painted on the walls there

[sudden sundial]

Ohhhh

[trail oyster]

hey guys, what if the whole game was a dream

[true grove]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[trail oyster]

WAIT MAYBE THE WHOLE GAME IS UNDERWATER AND THE LAKES AND PONDS AND STUFF ARE REALLY JUST LAKES OF BRING (heavier than water and sink) THAT WOULD EXPLAIN WHY THE MANTAS CAN SWIM IN AIR

[supple agate]

Where’d you guys find this concept art?
(Ping me with the link in case I’m not around)

[wild iron]

And then why do clouds exist? Why are the candles burning? Why do we fall and not just float in air?

[graceful osprey]

look in the pins of the channel

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

a lot is here

and https://www.tomzhao.com/sky1

[supple agate]

Those Imgur links aren’t working too well but the other link is great

Thanks!

Man... looking at some of this stuff is really cool

The old story progression and the holy land would be really cool to see return one day

[lethal stump]

no need to spoiler tag things here

[distant turtle]

I think you're right. Also since they used boats and ships, maybe they could get around even better than we can.

[plain fern]

They also used to fly on these guys I guess

[jade river]

it makes sense they could be on top of mantas, gravity in the sky world seems to be much less powerful than gravity on earth

i mean a child can fly by just flapping its wing multiple times

[plain fern]

Would also explain how they flew in the flying race + there’s loads of mantas always there too. It fits.

[jade river]

flying race seems to be very different from what its now

since there are a lto of ruined buildings

so flying race may have looked different in the past

[plain fern]

Yeah but I think the premise is still the same, of them using mantas in the race

[sinful anvil]

how does biology & physics even work here

is newton’s laws still applicable

[hardy hazel]

Do the events of Journey take place before or after the events of Sky? They're WAY too similar (and both made by TGC), so I refuse to believe they take place in different worlds. I'm just unsure of the placement chronologically.

[lethal stump]

tgc confirmed they're canonically separate, just similar in design philosophy. "sky is journey's spiritual successor"

[distant turtle]

Cool designs on this wall behind the back wall of wasteland temple

I didn't get adequate images

[jade river]

thats a nice looking door

[rigid violet]

is gw in a way connected to the king? cause you can see the temple of gw has a lot of his crown thing on the temple. so maybe he stationed there for a war to fight darkness and slowly it toke over him? or maybe after the darkness came and toke over him he stayed there?

[wispy parcel]

Hello all

[obsidian yacht]

Hey, what if in sky you can time travel by passing time at the light?

And by accident go to year 14022?

[rugged plume]

No

[obsidian yacht]

Why?

[rugged plume]

Yer is no lagek in that

Tar is no lagek

In that

[obsidian yacht]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I don't understand

[rugged plume]

Are you talking abut the andden and

Getting reborn

[obsidian yacht]

Well, yes

[rugged plume]

The kids are

Lit and can be reborn

Well lit and a star

The star is the Hart

[obsidian yacht]

I meant something else but ok

[scarlet wigeon]

Hi, sorry to interrupt. Could someone help me understand the memory please? Appreciate it 🙂

[rugged plume]

You can see the star in the front of the kid

[scarlet wigeon]

Oh and if it’s not too much to ask, please tag me! I don’t want to read spoilers 😄^

[queen locust]

That's the one from the village right? Not the colliseum?

[scarlet wigeon]

Yes!

[queen locust]

Because I've seen it be interpreted as the Performer cheering up the girl and doing a little dance for her once in this chat

[rugged plume]

Am going to spoil right now

So leave if you don't want to

[scarlet wigeon]

Ok, I blocked him just for the mean time 😅 someone tell him lol

[stark quarry]

OH GOD SO THAT WHERE HE GOT THE VASE 😂 😂

[queen locust]

Dude, it isn't cool to tell someone to just leave outright

[rugged plume]

Ok

Sorry

But det you not see the name

Of the channel

[scarlet wigeon]

Ooo ok, do you know if he’s homeless? I noticed that he’s in the back of the houses, and I don’t want to stereotype but his long beard makes me thing he’s homeless since he’s also in like the alleys?

[scarlet wigeon]

It’s ok, I blocked him as soon he said he’ll spoil

But I’ll unblock him once we’re done lol

[obsidian yacht]

Good

[stark quarry]

I don't think he homeless tho

[scarlet wigeon]

What do you mean by this??

[queen locust]

I dunno if he's really that homeless actually- the colliseum cutscene makes me think otherwise

Plus all four of the spirits were referred to as mentors? So they might have more history than they let on

[stark quarry]

You know in the quest

[queen locust]

And resources while I'm at it

[scarlet wigeon]

Ohh ok yeah I see

[rugged plume]

Can you pls

[scarlet wigeon]

Oh yeah lol

[rugged plume]

Because tes is sbosed to be a lore spiler

[scarlet wigeon]

Ok, so to summarize, he could’ve just been some random nice guy that saw her fall, and when he saw her in the ice, possibly hurt, he went to do a little performance for her and cheer her up

And teach her a dance move while he was at it!?

[stark quarry]

I'm don't want to be rude but can you spell correctly?

[stark quarry]

I think so and Awww that pretty wholesome

[rugged plume]

Ok am going to say

[echo horizon]

guys has the dismayed hunter been the only non-elder spirit shown with a weapon

[scarlet wigeon]

Ok, thank you!! @stark quarry

[stark quarry]

How about the yeti

He have Axe

Wait two Axe

[echo horizon]

:0 that's true!

[scarlet wigeon]

What do you think of my little summary?

[stark quarry]

There no tree in valley tho

[queen locust]

Ah shoot sorry I was in class XD

But ye that's pretty much how I view the memory

[scarlet wigeon]

Ah scoop, sorry 😬

Ok, thank you guys!! Thanks for your time and patience

And now, to unblock the guy and leave before any spoilers 😅

[queen locust]

You're welcome lmao- feel free to ask more questions and share more stuff if you ever wanna XD

[stark quarry]

I'm going to cr lol

[scarlet wigeon]

Yes, thank you

[obsidian yacht]

May i go back to my time traveling theory?

[rugged plume]

Wen you look on the front of the kid you se a tang and thet tang is the star the last meter wen it goes out you lose wl

[lyric isle]

For Performer - probably a street performer

[queen locust]

Feel free dude there's nothing stopping ya

[lyric isle]

a lot of street performers have a little thing for passerbys to drop money in if they want

[obsidian yacht]

Ok

[lyric isle]

that’s what I’m betting the vase is

[queen locust]

I always just thought it was like- a flask

That he drinks out of-

[obsidian yacht]

Basically how to do it, get to the light and then wait few years

[lyric isle]

The Lindsey Sterling but pipa pipa performances, and dancing? Definitely something I can imagine as a street performer

so basically ye random nice guy who cheers skater up

[obsidian yacht]

And a important note would be that it is unknown what is happening on the earth

[queen locust]

TGC x Lindsey Sterling performance when

[rugged plume]

Yeah

[obsidian yacht]

That means skykids may meet woomy and veemo or sonething else

[lyric isle]

...Splatoon out of nowhere

[obsidian yacht]

Ik

They announced it

Im dying rn

[lyric isle]

ye
anyway

[rugged plume]

Maybe the krill the is sopos to be the peeps on earth just mining stars

Or you know

Like doing stuff

?

[queen locust]

it took me a sec to realize you probably meant krill

[rugged plume]

Yes

Hello

[queen locust]

idk while I view the krill as more methodical than most creatures I'm having trouble picturing them actively seeking out light

Or being sapient enough for... anything

[rugged plume]

The krill take away all the lights from you

[queen locust]

I interpret that as them simply being averse to light- not hunting it down

[rugged plume]

And take wl

[queen locust]

They don't take the WL at all- notice how when after the krill hit you, and the WL scatter

The krill don't go for the WL

[rugged plume]

Yeah because it in you

[queen locust]

They just go on their merry way and ignore the spoils

[rugged plume]

The krill can take all the light but because its not in you

The wl is in you

But

If you get all the scattered wl you lose 1

No matter what you do

And if a krill hits you in eden the wl well go away nstaly

It only stays a little bit of time

[rugged plume]

You maybe right in that one

[queen locust]

I could probably chalk that up to the environment, actually- the Winged Lights don't really last that long in the murky water, and I can't expect that on their own they'd last long in the darkness incarnate that is Eden

[rugged plume]

But if the krill sees you again it well atak you

Again

Even you you have no lit

But it mostly wats the lit

[queen locust]

I'll concede that it can attack you while unlit because as you've mentioned- you carry a lot of WL around

Trace vestiges of light

[rugged plume]

The krill has no mrsay

[queen locust]

I still see this as a mere aversion to the light instead of an active hunt, however

[rugged plume]

If it has wat it wants it well not stop

It well cantenu

The krill wats to be no lit

If it takes the light

It well try kill the target

And it can see you wen your rechargeing

In the first time you meet it

OK tats all my thoughts

Bye

[hushed steeple]

Agreed

Krills probably see things differently than us

Maybe they can see like x-rays

Maybe they can see the light internally inside something

[tough marten]

I think the krills are just almost soulless creatures that just move around like robots, and that they are uncontrollably attracted to krill sky kids, and maybe they were mantas and became krills, and that they are promised that they can turn back to mantas if they krill enough sky kids

[hushed steeple]

That's actually interesting

[tough marten]

thx

[hushed steeple]

Maybe if they consume enough light, they'll become light creatures again

So maybe that's why they attack

[tough marten]

maybe they think that, but from what we know it's not true

[hushed steeple]

Yeah

People have also wondered if krills are coelacanth/whale skeletons

[tough marten]

skeletons? not really. The krills move pretty "softly" and like a piece of cloth. They don't seem like bones. If you look at the elder mantas, they seem much more similar.

[queen locust]

that is legitimately the first time I've seen the krill be associated with the word soft-

unironically

I kinda like it-

[tough marten]

[hushed steeple]

Yeah I don't agree with the theory

I think krills are their own species

And maybe they weren't always dark

[lethal stump]

i like to think krills were always dark creatures, after all i dont see why they wouldnt be since theres no light creature similar to them and darkness is a natural part of the world already

[queen locust]

ditto to that

[tough marten]

there were only a tiny bit of darkness in isle, significantly more started to appear in prairie, and things just got worse afterwards (not including valley because darkness was planning to invade during a war after that that according to my other theory) Doesn't it seem odd that krills only existed starting from wasteland? And no mantas/butterflies during/after wasteland. Sure, there are cosmic mantas in vault which probably survived because of some kind of mutation.

[queen locust]

There's darkness in Isle actually

Under the Isle temple, there are a few dark plants

[tough marten]

oh yea sorry for forgetting that

[lethal stump]

they didn't, we see in the prophecy mural they existed before anything major happened
additionally - mind you im a hobbyist - krills seem to be insects or reptiles, why would they live in a cold forest or arid prairie when a warm, moist desert is right there ? if they need moisture, which it seems they do, but also prefer heat, then desert is perfect for them
it just makes sense to me that they'd live there anyways. its the habitat. you wouldnt say its weird that king cobras live predominantly in india, would you ?

[tough marten]

Eden krills Eden doesn't seem like the right habitat for insects(let's be honest, it's not the right habitat for ANY life)

and i believe different realms are different time periods....but your theory makes sense too

[lethal stump]

eden (from my interpretation) is hot, and it has moist ooze everywhere, it'd be fine for krills in its current state

but this is arguing interpretation of a fictional species at this point

[tough marten]

and let's remember that nothing is canon in sky theory (other than things developers bring up)

[lethal stump]

yes, i am aware

im not new to lore chat at all lol

[tough marten]

I know lol I've seen you talk here for quite a lot

or someone with the same name as you i guess

[lethal stump]

its probably me, ive sent 19 389 messages thus far in this channel alone

[tough marten]

but...eden and wasteland....should warm be used to describe a place where you're supposed to die..? and sky kids are made of fire (also look at the wind in those areas)

[lethal stump]

wind isnt necessarily cold

[tough marten]

but a place where fire kids are supposed to die is warm?

and wasteland seems more cool toned if you ask

[lethal stump]

eden in its current state seems to be indicating warmth. although i suppose warmth is the wrong word
the way i see it, its a blazing hot nuclear reactor, acrid fumes and darkness filling the air and dark clouds creating a greenhouse effect. its not warm, warm is a comfy fire. its BOILING. BLAZING. SEARINGLY H O T
although yes we are "fire kids", we're not...a nuclear-reactor-melt-down kids. depending on how you look at it, its poetic if we live sustained by fire and die in the blazing pits of eden, but hey, thats just me

[lethal stump]

im not surprised, more dim and cool tones in sky indicate danger and death. doesnt really say anything to me about the temperature

[hushed steeple]

Yeah, plus in all of the murals they're shown in, they look the same as they do now

[distant turtle]

I think you're right on

[exotic berry]

Pipe sucks up birbs.

[deft lintel]

Huh ?

[exotic berry]

The pipe is sucking up the birds.

[deft lintel]

Ok ?

[exotic berry]

Hadn’t noticed it before.

[deft lintel]

Weird

[pseudo heart]

Oh,, I thought that was just their route..

Btw long time no see spice lmao

[hushed steeple]

Yeah I kinda wonder if it's just their route

[olive harbor]

Okay here is my interpretation of all the realm temperatures: Prarie is a warm afternoon temperature, pleasant with a cool breeze every now and then. Similar in Sanctuary but with salty air. Forest is cold due to the rain but there are warm spots (like in the caves or by fires.) Sunny forest is lukewarm. And Cavern is cold like forest but its very windy. Valley is very windy and snowy with snow and windchills all the time. Wasteland is just humid and gross, not much wind so the air is thick and choking. Except for Ark, which has a bit less humidity near the boat itself. Vault is cool but in a pleasant way (idk if that makes sense) and Eden is just either really stinking hot or freezing. Let me know what you think.

[primal sierra]

I like to think it's freezing cold

[queen locust]

this reminds me a lot of another convo about the realm temperatures-

There was at least one involving a chart

But I do agree on Eden being either one of two extremes

Heck if we really wanna push it maybe Eden could be alternating between the two extremes? as if it wasn't disastrous enough of an area amirite

[hushed steeple]

It's so hard to think about how Vault would feel temperature wise

But I do think it would be chilly

There doesn't seem to be a heater or anything in such a man made building

And it seems abandoned

So it ought to be kinda cold maybe?

[queen locust]

Cold like an elevator in a mall is how I'd probably describe it

[hushed steeple]

Yes

Or cold like in my bedroom without a heater ;-;

I feel like Eden is either very, very cold or very, very hot and there's no in between

[queen locust]

better yet it fits both descriptions of hell

Alternating between fire and brimstone hell and Dante's Inferno-style ninth circle of hell

Because in the Inferno there's really only like one circle that's consistently burning

Somewhere around the 5th or smthn I can't remember

[pseudo heart]

I just realized..

These things could probably be docks..

The entrance with the two king statues

Or roadways..

[supple agate]

It’s totally possible

I’ve always been curious about the industrial look of GW and Eden

They’re the only places that have that trait, and I wonder if in earlier drafts, they were either a guard post or waste dumping site of the Holy Land

A city like that is likely to produce some kind of waste
Also makes me wonder if that much light attracted hordes of dark creatures

[trail oyster]

maybe it's like a dystopian human world or something

WAIT NO

WHAT IF EVERYTHING WAS JUST TINY

LIKE, THAT WOULD EXPLAIN THE GIANT SCREWS IN EDEN

WHY THE KRILLS WERE SO HUGE

THE HUGE JELLYFISH

the small jellyfish are just baby jellyfish

yeah, maybe we're just really tiny people

[lone wigeon]

children are rather small/tiny by nature

[trail oyster]

yeah but i meant even smaller

[lone wigeon]

yah, yah, ik

I was wondering about that manta from one krill chamber

I really font like the word chamber

like, we seen mantas, mantas fly freely, anywhere they'd want
why did that one manta didnt escape or tried to escape form the krills gaze

[restive cosmos]

What screws

Please provide photo

[restive cosmos]

What about isle

[queen locust]

Technically you're right because we're walking in a post-apocalypse Kingdom with no one in it but arsonist children

and I too am curious about thsoe screws-

[trail oyster]

I mean this spiral part as "screws"

[trail oyster]

arsonist lol

[distant turtle]

It's a sick and weak manta

[gray timber]

or a stupid one

[distant turtle]

I think Krill are corrupted versions of these big bois, because these appear in the Wasteland floor of Vault, but never alive in the other levels. Meanwhile, krill spirits never appear in Vault. The giant spirit mantas and krill spirits are one and the same.

[livid valley]

What's this

[distant turtle]

These

[livid valley]

Fish

[slate saffron]

That's just a pipe

[graceful osprey]

but what about the clink clink clink?

[heady sequoia]

The what now?

[true grove]

There's a caterpillar that looks like that 👁️

[graceful osprey]

oh i thought that skids were hotter nuclear-reactor-melt-down because they are stars

[graceful osprey]

when you go near krills you can hear some sounds which sound almost like metal gears

[heady sequoia]

oh, I see

[wicked plover]

Yeah, metal gears and horse chariot wheels rolling?

[frozen pivot]

doesnt necessarily mean krills do have metallic parts tho

[graceful osprey]

i am just saying that they don't seem like "soft" creatures

they have hard stone or darkstone jammed in between maybe

[wicked plover]

Natural armor like a pangolin's perhaps?

Except I cant see if its scale lamellar or brigandine style cuz I cant see a pattern except the outlines with all that black

All Ik is they seem to bite with what looks like spider fangs infront of their alerted eyes

[restive cosmos]

Those are pipes

[lethal stump]

krill model that dev reika sent ! we can see here they have a soft underbelly and a hard carapace
#general-sky-discussion message

[wicked plover]

Thats actually cool, didnt know it had a soft underbelly, so it could theoretically be poked there with the massive spears but thats not us Skykids' job lol

[plush jungle]

Isle will be..

A little cold, but with morning vibes

[real rapids]

Hi hi :) If you're curious about krills, i noticed that they are very similar to Journey's Guardians. Using Journey's lore i think we can understand the krills more.

[icy violet]

they act the same

[real rapids]

In Journey, the guardians are clearly shown be be the corrupted forms of the whale creatures, similar to the mantas.

[icy violet]

on the first level you can see the machine you even free them.

[real rapids]

At the end of the game the guardians are purified, turning them back into the pure creatures.

As i interpret the story, the rythulians (the players) used the whale creatures selfishly. They turned them into war machines, to kill all living creatures.

Although the guardians are very clearly more mechanical than krills, who appear to be partly shadows, the sounds they make are very very similar if not identical.

[lethal stump]

did we play the same game ? i played journey like last week and there wasnt any "purified" guardians

[real rapids]

Yes:) you may not have noticed it. It's ok, i have played that game a ridiculous amount of times is all.

At the end, in paradise, you are accompanied by 2 whales.

They are the 2 guardians that you saw underground and in the snow.

As you are resurrected and fly to paradise, you see the guardians around you.

When you reach above the clouds, beside you are 2 whales. The same creatures.

[lethal stump]

hm im gonna have to press x to doubt that, chief
we see in the murals that the guardians are technological inventions, they're the equivalent of like. drones. "purified guardians" is like "purified airplanes". they're robots, not living things

[real rapids]

Of course, this is my interpretation as i see it :) I just wanted to share it.

I believe you are mostly right. To change the whale creatures, they must have been given some kind of mechanical enhancement.

They are used as, and act, like robots. But they are living creatures inside.

Kind of like if you took a human, mind controlled them, and gave them a robotic shell.

[lethal stump]

i see..
i still disagree with you but i have school so i dont have time to debate this

[real rapids]

Ok :) it was interesting to hear your interpretation :)

I think the krills are also guards, like the guardians. They are programmed to / commanded to / instinctively attack and destroy anything alive - which means any creature of light.

[olive harbor]

Oh u right, I agree

[kind plinth]

Topic:
What's with those chains of shiny bois in Orbit? Why do they have your friend's nicknames attached to them?

[graceful osprey]

yes i think we see the mechanical shells come off the guardians and become whales

[old dove]

Well, they are children of light. They are your friends. And everyone fly to meet their end. « With the stars united, our light was infinite. »

[true grove]

Can anyone guide me to theories that say the krills existed at ancestors time and were a part of their ecosystem. Or tell me some

[distant turtle]

#general-sky-discussion message the real krill model

[slate saffron]

Well there's that mural on the Forgotten ark!

And the one in the cave of prophecy

Ignore the second image

[true grove]

Prophecy predicted everything
And enchantment is post destruction :pPopcorn:

[distant turtle]

I imagine Ark is from after the storm existed while ^^^ yes

[true grove]

[distant turtle]

The cave could be evidence that krill existed long ago, but maybe it was just a really really accurate vision of the future

[true grove]

A Prophecy predicts everything so-

I bet chonk boi must've predicted them

As he made too

[trail oyster]

ok i need to start playing with the sound on i have never played with the sound on before

[graceful osprey]

what why would you not play with sound

[trail oyster]

because i play at night in my bed

with my mom sleeping next door

[graceful osprey]

sound is more than half the experience or something

lol

[trail oyster]

and there are creaky floorboards nad the headphones are downstairs

[graceful osprey]

you never play at awake time?

[trail oyster]

i do, but rooms are merged and i'm not alllowed to

and also sometimes i just forget to turn the sound on

that's how accustomed i am to silence

wait you know all the skeletons in gw? are they whale skeletons? what if the whales were killed by dark forces and the krills are the corrupted spirts of them that roam the graveyard seeking vengeance?

the vault of knowledge must contain something explaining the history of what happe ed previously in gw?

but then why would the krills suddenly all fly towards the entrance when the blue crystal thing is lit....

[ivory heath]

what caused the bones in graveyard?

[trail oyster]

because there are so many spears and the remains of battles and stuff

i think in the battle quite a lot of whales were killed

and as there are several krills

i'm guessing that the gw was already corrupted to begin with, however after the whales were killed, their spirits were corrupted by the corruption of the golden wasteland, and then they took the form of krills

and i'm guessing....

that they were maybe used as some sort of bait

because that would explain why all the whale skeletons are located and bunched in one area mostly

and then the whales felt betrayed or something

so they search forcreatures of light

and attack them

as vengeance

idk why they would be bait

let me think

[slate saffron]

They're actually whurtle skeletons!

Or at least some of them are

I believe that they were used to fight against the krill during their incursion into the GW around the time of of the fall! The reason why we see their skeletons specifically in the graveyard and no where else might be because graveyard is a rather enclosed area while the others aren't, meaning that any skeletons that were present outside of graveyard got buried in the shifting sands overtime or aren't accessible in-game as the actual size of the GW lore-wise is massive

[trail oyster]

what are whurtles?

i have never seen whurtles in sky

[trail oyster]

then we get blocked off by the wind walls

[trail oyster]

i know now

[tough marten]

whale-turtles?

[trail oyster]

well then why would the krills be patrolling the graveyard? it's not like they were expecting the children of light

and even if they were

why wouuldn't they patrol a nicer place?

wait never mind

thats a dumb question

i think the light in other places would killt hem

[tough marten]

it makes more sense if you look at different realms as different time periods

[trail oyster]

imagine if a krill just went through a hole in the clouds of the sanctuary islands like

[trail oyster]

actually yeah, maybe that's the reason whty krills aren't in those lands. because there's too much light the light would kill them (in ||eden|| when we stand near light sources the dark dust on our bodies falls off)

and also.....

scrolling earlier in the chat

maybe that manta was just a super young manta

that didn't uunderstand the threat of krills

and instead

[tough marten]

or they just didn't exist until the time period

[trail oyster]

knew that light wouuld probably harm the krill

[trail oyster]

but i'm confused, how are we then able to see the storm of ||eden|| all the way in the isle of dawn?

i don't see how we could possibly look into different periods of time just like that

[trail oyster]

and instead, was trying to harm the krills

and then krills they attack kids of light because we're a potential threat

but hold on that makes no sense

why wouldn't they target the candles

oh wait

never mind

we need to be there in the first place for the candles to be of any use

[tough marten]

but have you wondered why eden always seem the same distance away? it's just a mountain that was always there, but it hasn't been used as eden until after vault

[slate saffron]

They patrol the region mainly because it's the migration path of the light creatures! (which is their main source of food )

[tough marten]

which according to another theory is because they're trying to keep megabird alive

[trail oyster]

no i swear it looks closer from triumph

maybe the vault of knowledge is a wormhole

that takes us closer to eden

[slate saffron]

They're extinct in-game

[tough marten]

i feel like because home seems so different from other places, and that it has all portals, that it's in a separate universe that they created in vault/eden time period

[slate saffron]

They aren't different time periods, the game makes a clear linear path that wouldn't make sense if you where just traveling through the same location at different times

[trail oyster]

yes, buut what about the islands in the distance

[tough marten]

wait which islands?

[trail oyster]

if you look into the distance of home

[slate saffron]

It's actually the storm you're viewing, not the mountain! Also in areas like the Valley of Triumph or GW the storm changes it's location in your POV or becomes non-visable

[trail oyster]

what if it was juust a cirtual simulation

at this rate

i'm gonna need a big blank wall to write down all these ideas

[distant turtle]

I feel like whurtle is a joke. I can't find any pic or google result.

Is it a joke like pink elephant?

[trail oyster]

hey have you guys ever heard of game theory?

this sounds like a job for game theory

[distant turtle]

Good idea, GoldenYeto220!

[graceful osprey]

it is extinct

[graceful osprey]

also no need to spoiler

[distant turtle]

Yeah... but do we know what it looked like or is it just our name for that animal?

[slate saffron]

@tough marten ALSO THIS

[slate saffron]

I think it's just the name we give it but I'm not entirely sure

[graceful osprey]

we can only guess

thats what we call it

i think they are the same as whales though

maybe they were older and bigger

[trail oyster]

https://jamboard.google.com/d/1wb_mUsgEhBnD_m3JnjzngXgLXkMSwSCQ5zFQ71nwV8I/edit?usp=sharing

[distant turtle]

Does it imply that they emerged from their deep homes and attacked?

[trail oyster]

i made a jamboard for all the stuff

[graceful osprey]

like this

[distant turtle]

That's the whale that lives in the game

[graceful osprey]

yes

maybe the whurtles were bigger versions

[lilac oak]

hey guys sorry to interrupt but i’m very new to the lore and i’m wondering if there’s like a general timeline somewhere?

[slate saffron]

They have turtle skulls actually! as a I learned the very very hard way

[graceful osprey]

maybe the darkness has eroded their horns away

[graceful osprey]

???

what do you mean?

[slate saffron]

I took pictures of their skulls from graveyard

[distant turtle]

The eye sockets for the WL skulls are large but then again I have no idea what the whale's eyes in the game are like

[graceful osprey]

the skulls in the game suggest 2 eyes unlike the concepts

[graceful osprey]

i think they looked exactly like this, just with 2 eyes

[distant turtle]

waddap

[slate saffron]

Sure! Most of the timeline we have assembled for sky is based off of this concept art (with some alternations)

[heavy eagle]

Can't it be found on the lore doc?

[distant turtle]

Tom's site is there at least

[slate saffron]

@lilac oak there's also the lore doc and Tom Zhao's website (as Paul Sky and AGIN just pointed out) which can be found here!

https://docs.google.com/document/d/18B1-SKG3toG0oH0VhOWC5o-cG9u0STAN92QvmbhTDto/edit?usp=drivesdk

https://www.tomzhao.com/sky1

[hushed steeple]

What's this symbol?

[lilac oak]

@slate saffron thanks so much!

[lethal stump]

we don’t know for sure but i’ve seen it referred to as a symbol referring to Megabird

[hushed steeple]

I keep seeing a moose but that makes more sense lol

I wonder why a symbol of megabird would be above the exit from prairie

There's also this below it. It doesn't really look like a symbol but it also does at the same time. It looks birdlike too.

[distant turtle]

It's from older elder designs. Forest Temple also has an older design in front

[hushed steeple]

Interesting

[distant turtle]

I agree, that it is a bird.

[hushed steeple]

:0

Maybe that's megaborb

It looks like the symbol evolves in that concept art

Dawn especially looks like megabird

But then it looks like it evolves to the symbol that represents the king's helmet which is a little creepy

[distant turtle]

In my opinion the symbol evolves into the Prince in the central door and then to the King. It makes me suspect that Tom Zhao had in mind some lore about a shift in worship from Megabird to the King as time went on

[hushed steeple]

That's a very interesting theory

Makes sense too imo

[distant turtle]

Exactly! I think the King became an egomaniac and declared himself a deity kind of like Infinity Blade where you have an evil ruler who calls himself a God-King even though he wasn't one.

[hushed steeple]

Yeah

[distant turtle]

Or like in 300

[trail oyster]

I've been close to the eden whale the eye is tiny

hold on so far in the season they've been based around asian themes

maybe

there's something we can find in lore from asia (any counutry) that bears resemblanceto the stuff in sky

[errant nymph]

Does anyone else think that she's the skater girl's mother?

I think it makes sense

[hushed steeple]

Either a teacher, tutor or a mother

[old dove]

Hi there
Is it mainly from the concept art? Or is this the timeline of the actual game (supposedly)?

[lethal stump]

the skulls in GW arent whale skulls - they're turtle skulls, thats why they look different

[lethal stump]

thats concept art, and is no longer canon

[old dove]

Ok, thank you.
I don’t go often to Eden. So today, I went to search for clues and photographed all that could be interesting (somehow, maybe, I hope).
Hmm, there is something strange. At the end, before the ascension to the Disney’s castle, we cross the altar from the vault. I really wonder why. Unless the bottom of the palace had its own. Or maybe this is the top of the Vault?

And also that place. That’s really a long time since I went there. And now there is this shield and two swords (we are at the beginning of Eden).
This ended the faction war theory in my mind... Unless it was an outpost? But then why hanging swords and shield like that. It looks like a decoration. Not really war like.

This is just an eye candy. I hadn’t noticed those statues were repeated and in good condition when ascending in direction to orbit.
Or maybe this is an update I just missed because of never going there.

[hushed steeple]

That statue might be vault elder

[distant turtle]

My idea is that it's the King's personal library or something like a shortcut to Vault.

[hushed steeple]

Yeah it's the top of vault

I remember having a conversation before on this and I remember very vaguely people wondering if sky kids don't go to vault in person, but rather go there in a dream

[old dove]

There are a lot of these. Or maybe important figures in Eden.

[hushed steeple]

Yeah they might all just be vault elder

Or other important figures in vault

Or maybe just the ones shown in the beginning of orbit is vault elder

[old dove]

When we are in vault, there isn’t really any exit... And everything is like a star soup.
But when we look at the exit before opening the door to Eden, we exit a tower like building.

[hushed steeple]

Yeah that might be one reason why vault is a dream to sky kids, is because there's no exit. You just port to the Eden enter area after watching vault elders' cut scene.

And when you're on vault, everything seems.... Dreamy

Everything floats

Everything looks like it's in space

[distant turtle]

I doubt it's canon because it's messy, but you can fall under this building on the left side and there's nothing under it. I wonder if this is not the top of a tower but just a little temple the Vault Elder teleports you to!

[old dove]

But there are crabs in the archive... Dreams of 🦀

[old dove]

And so we are not really at the top of the vault in fact (when we go to Eden).

[distant turtle]

Does anyone know what is meant in the canon lore doc about the crabs' walking cycle being a clue?

[pseudo heart]

We still don't know yet

[distant turtle]

Maybe, but maybe it's just semi-out of bounds. It's all really ugly cliffs under the building like you're not supposed to be able to go there

[old dove]

Don’t know. Sounds interesting.

[pseudo heart]

Ooh the eden shrine

[old dove]

That’s why we are theorising haha

[pseudo heart]

I think vault is designed to look like eden's tallest spire and the eden diamond is supposed to sit at the top of it like how it is in the vault elevator lmao

[distant turtle]

There aren't that many entity types to pick from to guess at the origin of crabs if there is such a thing.

[distant turtle]

I agree it kinda looks like the Isle icon of Vault at the top. Well, I don't agree about it looking like the Eden castle.

[pseudo heart]

But then the eden diamond uhh

Slid off

[old dove]

Like that? The second image is vault from below.

[pseudo heart]

Yes

[old dove]

And so, the vault elder would instead teleport us on the outskirts of Eden. To a tiny tower at the entrance, that looks a lot like an archive.

[old dove]

I guess that if there are crabs in vault, it can’t be a dream. They are kind of upset, like always.

[distant turtle]

You look like a Sky historian!!

[old dove]

Quite a lot. The vault shrine is really high compared to where the red crystal is. If we think the red crystal and the crystal depicted on the fresco is the same.

[old dove]

Hahaha, I dressed to be protected from dust and flying rocks 🪨

Well, good night guys. Another mystery solved for me.
I will assume that we don’t teleport to the top of the vault at the end of the elder’s cutscene.

[gilded spoke]

thats the adoptive mom ||i think the sk8ter is a prototype of a skid||

[trail oyster]

What do you think the red crystal containd though?

In the dark room

[distant turtle]

Where?

[trail oyster]

In Eden

And when we dir

*die

When we ascend

We ascend first via the same laser that comes out of that big red crystal

Do you think

That the reason why we can’t get that close to the red crystal

Is because it’s actually really huge

And when we die

Our spirits go towards that crystal simar to how when spirit memories are revived they go towards the temple

And then the dark room is in the crystal (idk but when I was in the dark room for some reason I could see the outlines of the outside Eden)

And the crystal is our ultimate goal?

I mean

When we are returning the light to the kids

At the end

[distant turtle]

The position of the Eye of Eden crystal in relation to the ending flight cutscene is a little unclear

[trail oyster]

They’re all pointing to the crystal

[trail oyster]

I’m gonna sick to my theory for now and perhaps build on it

[distant turtle]

I agree that the dark place could possibly be inside there but I haven't seen what you're saying myself. Just some cloud edges in there

It could also be located nowhere

[trail oyster]

What do you think isnin here?

[trail oyster]

Yeah it could just be a dream

Like

I’ve seen videos where when you lose all your light you also go to the dark room

Hey, it could be the birthplace of us skykids

[distant turtle]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[rapid juniper]

So the island far away is where the intro is?

Also the darkness blinds so I cast them away was just a placeholder text well ever since I played sky since gratitude I already made a theory on it

[rapid juniper]

Imma try and go there with the new glitch

[magic cypress]

the isle of dawm

[rapid juniper]

Its to small to isle of dawn

[rapid juniper]

How about the island in wasteland the shipwreck

[deft lintel]

I see like a glowing thing there
Like a wl

[rapid juniper]

Yeha me to

[deft lintel]

Hhhmmm
Strange

[rapid juniper]

I should prolly do the new glitch again

[deft lintel]

Just do it to see

It can maybe help us lol

[simple eagle]

Hey guys ,so I just remind that the questgiver and the spirit from Season of Belonging is different people ,I thought they are some people lol

[static sparrow]

陈星汉

[hushed steeple]

lol

Yeah some spirits from other seasons are there too

[silent hinge]

Nope.. they just share the same hair, and they have the rhythm ultimate mask too.

[simple eagle]

True ,They are all from valley spirit

[simple eagle]

I thought they are twin

[opal briar]

Has it been answered why “eye of Eden” is called that ?

[true grove]

I think that has several explanations including religious ones mostly biblical.
What i believe is that the diamond is eden king's eye which was attached to his mask
Or
Storm/cyclone has an eye in the center and eden is where the storm is so eye may refer to the center
Most people believe it was called eden in days of ancestors

[opal briar]

Thanks 😄

[opal briar]

Ohh

That explains the look of the certain cosmetic

Here’s hopping we get to meet him one of these season’s

[hushed steeple]

I'm one of those people who believes Eden was called Eden back in the days of the ancestors. Because Eden means "paradise" or "bliss", stuff like that, so I don't think it would be called Eden now in its current state. I think Eden probably once was a beautiful and nice place.

[queen locust]

I agree with you but I would argue that Eden still applies to it's current state, somewhat

Applying the forbidden fruit imagery and all at least

[restive cosmos]

My garden of Eden theory intensifies

[rocky dirge]

can anybody give a TL;DR of what the war was about back when the spirits were still alive

[restive cosmos]

Can you do it?

Pls

[rocky dirge]

i have zero knowledge of what the war was about. im interested so if anybody knew anything they could give a quick summary cuz i dont think i can to scroll up this chat to look for the bits

[restive cosmos]

Ok

I'm not doing it

[rocky dirge]

thats fine

[queen locust]

I can't give exact details, but I could give you a run-down of the interpretations we have of what it could have been about so far

There's very little that's concrete about the subject XD

[rocky dirge]

yes pls tysm
any info is good

[queen locust]

When it comes to the war, one theory comes to mind and that's the Two Shields Theory and it's many variations

Over the months there's been adjustments but generally in this theory it's considered to have been a civil war of some kind

The premise was that there are two types of shields that are found scattered around Battlefield- ones with sun designs and ones with diamond designs

It's noteworthy that the Wasteland Elder uses both shields

Where the variations differ from each other are the motivations, the conclusion, and the factions involved in the war

If it's a civil war, the motivations for it could be due to social unrest amongst the Ancestors, an environmental uprising in defense of the light creatures, or conflict surrounding the Eden diamond

If it isn't a civil war, then the war is believed to have been fought against the dark creatures and/or a neighboring Kingdom

And that's all I can pull from previous convos I've seen from this chat without getting too subjective XD

[rocky dirge]

thats very coool
tysm for summarizing it for me

[queen locust]

You're welcome- but there's always more room for interpretation! I'm pretty sure I've missed a couple

Stuff like both shields being used by the military and not necessarily from opposing factions

and then there's the whole schtick concerning the Wasteland Elder's loyalties :'''DDDD

[rocky dirge]

i see i see~ these are very interesting interpretations. i love it!

[queen locust]

Lmao- hope I helped somewhat XD

[primal sierra]

Is it possible that Wasteland Elder's initial alliegance was with the diamond shields, but switched sides prior to their death?

[queen locust]

Yep- and it's unlikely, but the reverse could have also happened

Depends on who exactly was on which side I think

[zinc elm]

What info do we have on this

(It’s in sanctuary, it was a glitch that i saw in a cave)

[slate saffron]

It looks like something from prophecy

[pseudo heart]

It's a bug

[zinc elm]

I know it’s a bug.

Where do those symbols appear? Do they even appear in game?

[pseudo heart]

Well it seems to be in Prophecy murals' style. Esp the prince drawing which is still seen in the big Prophecy mural.. Probably an older version of it or some asset..

[zinc elm]

Prophecy is the one in a cave in isle of dawn right?

[pseudo heart]

Yep

[zinc elm]

hmmm

[pseudo heart]

Either way, we won't rlly get anything out of that thing

[lone hull]

it's not, it's a mural describing a history

[zinc elm]

Yeah but it’s not supposed to be floating in the air in that cave

so a glitch

[lone hull]

#report-a-live-bug if you think is a bug. But for me it's a description of some tales.

[old dove]

All the murals that help us to find the bells in sanctuary are floating, in fact.
I thing it has been put here just to link that place to the main story. Sanctuary is a touristic island, with a vacation-esque background. Probably that golden character came here. And he was struck by a crab. Or engaged a play fight with wasteland elder and lost. Or they are student and teacher.
Sanctuary is a parenthesis. I guess elders had to take vacations too

[pseudo heart]

It's a bug that has persisted for quite a few patches. Probably a low-priority one, it doesn't have anything to do with lore whatsoever, probably some random asset that found its way there. We've always told this time and again in the lore chat

[agile agate]

It takes a village to reach a dream but dreaming too much comes with the consequence of deviating from the rhythm of light.

The citadel’s vacant halls are gilded it in gold, accented in baby blue and crimson red. The eerie stillness is torn open by the distant sound of strides. An urgent message has been delivered to an esteemed Noble. I am that individual. The dusk bells chorus and chant as I open the parchment before me. I gasp as I see the golden seal which could seal our fate. my name is Raye. My specific duties are to ensure that the “village of dreams” remains loyal to the lore of our land. The note before me is engraved in ominous runes warning of a lone corrupt dream with too much ambition, threatening to destroy the harmony and equilibrium of light. Let me explain - everyone’s dreams as a written by our elders' many resets ago fall into two sacred categories. As a race, our society’s balance depends on dreams not straying from these two ancient classifications. If a dream develops a mind of its own from being fed with dangerous aspirations our society could fall. It has happened before. Dreaming defines our citizens but if dreams don’t reflect the dreamer’s ultimate purpose our world of light could collapse. It is my solemn oath to protect this lore, our survival as beings of light, of pure energy, depend on it. I begin to plan my journey as I seek the potential destructive dreamer. I look to the valley of Triumph.

My name is Wysh, my duty is the upholding the ancient lore of my snow-covered Valley. My home is known as - Triumph. It’s a place of exceptional beauty and visionary thoughts. It is bathed in a wispy blue haze, punctuated by blades of light. In the evenings you can smell the fragrant herbs and remedies from the late-night bathhouse where I labour. At the end of an arduous shift cleaning and attending to clients I begin to dream of a cool escape. I imagine freely gliding upon the surface of a secret frozen lake away from work pressure, social norms, duty and obligation. Isolation to me is as sweet as a night of peaceful sleep. I have a reoccurring dream that feeds me and I feed it. At night as I lay down to rest, the process begins. An extraordinary dream skates its way into my mind and pulls at my heart. I delight in its freedom as it dances with me as a partner, lifting me before an applauding audience. Then there’s a shift like a whoosh of blades, cutting through ice. In my dream, I am dressed in an avian costume. I am a masked phoenix with black wings of gold fire red as skate up before a crowd in an arena colossal in size. I am performing for kings and queens. I am adored and revered but am I reaching too high?

”The problem with wishful thinking and overreaching,” I sternly lectured the three loyal subjects that accompanied me to seek the rogue dreamer...” is that corrupt dream language disrupts the cycle of light. Rogue dreamers dream for their gratification not for the common good. Ambitious dreams weaken our light. My three companions solemnly nodded. They were well-versed in our ancient language, spells, potions and most of all - connecting stray light beings back to the sacred cycle. I needed their expertise to subdue the destructive dreamer. Of all these disciplines, the spoken spell read from the ancient scrolls were the most important. These sacred words have lived on in our memories and oral history for light-years guiding us through mistakes and victories, light and dark, dreams and reality. It measured us as a society and kept us in balance like Libra’s scale. But we were far from prepared for the sight that bore into our eyes as we approached our destination. The dreamer’s dream had taken flight. Scores of villagers had each given into their obsession following The dreamer’s example. It’s as if they were infected with their ambitions. Then I spied her, high above the town square. At the time I didn’t know her name was Wysh. I remember her smile both sweet yet conceited. The duality she emanated was formidable. I commanded my fellow lights spell singers to begin chanting. It wasn’t enough the dreamer had the aid of a group of light defectors. The conflict was at a stalemate. My fellow lights and I swiftly retreated.