lore-discussion-spoilers

[wicked plover]

Since they look front heavy like a mace or warhammer

While shield users need smaller tipped spears

[compact olive]

I’m telling you the sizes are off. Look at how the sword is supposed to look next to a soldier and look how the 3D render looks compared to the 3D render of the wasteland elder. It’s not consistent

[wicked plover]

I overestimated the Elder's hands but that sword is massive oh my

The soldier is supposed to be able to carry it with 2 hands, what

[compact olive]

So one developer joking about “giant spirits” isn’t really an answer. They’d have to be bigger than Tsadi/wasteland elder with the same or bigger hands. The spears are manageable but there is no good answer for the swords 🗡

[graceful osprey]

well what do you think used them then?

[wicked plover]

I cant tell if the handle of the sword is too fat or not for that soldier

Ackshually, doesnt it look manageable for the soldier when it comes to the ingame sword or..

[compact olive]

It’s manageable for the soldier but he’s also like 5 times the size of what the elder is to the actual sword

[distant turtle]

This concept art gives some reference, at least.

people of sky

labor ... intellectual ... warrior ... civilian male ... civilian female ... child of light ... dawn ancestor ... day ancestor ... rain ancestor ... sunset ancestor ... dusk ancestor ... night ancestor

[compact olive]

I don’t think they weren’t used. I think regular ancestors used them I just think that the game design is off. Like a flawed game mechanic ie; ending up cape-less or warping to Eden without the storm brewing or more closely related .... Reika herself said some things are just not lore like the texture of gold I found on the stone wall. She said it was just a texture error. So maybe the size of the weapons is just exaggerated or the spirits memories are smaller versions of what they actually were while living beings

[compact olive]

The warrior spirit is smaller than the captain spirit so I imagine they have different sizes but to account for the vaaaaaast difference in those weapons/swords and the spirits’ hand sizes required to carry them effectively... we’re talking about spirits with pop-eye hands 🙌 who are the same size as the wasteland elder or larger ancestors that tower over even the wasteland elder

[wicked plover]

Only now I just noticed the captain was taller than the warrior

[distant turtle]

Perhaps they all had growth spells or wore rock golem exoskeletons

[graceful osprey]

laser towers

i dont think that image is to scale

lol

the king turrets are meant to be a lot taller

[distant turtle]

Perhaps all the soldiers could become towering figures twice their natural height. The King here resembles those cave painting soldier figures, as well as the statues in game.

[graceful osprey]

maybe the other "giants" were depicted as small and normal because they werent as important as the elder/commander

[compact olive]

The mural. Represents the 8 weapons/turrets not the actual king though. Unless there were multiple kings

[graceful osprey]

can children of light become elders?

[compact olive]

But they would still be depicted as bigger than normal non giant ancestors

[graceful osprey]

Maybe they were far away...

jkjk

[distant turtle]

You see laser towers, I see a row of armored magitech soldiers

[graceful osprey]

why would wasteland need fire for fighting?

do they shoot fire?

cause thats not gonna do any harm

unless if they were fighting against those made of darkness

[novel marten]

Maybe for healing and burning dark plants?

[graceful osprey]

maybe they also powered the turrets

[novel marten]

I don’t know if that generation would heal by fire though like kids can

[graceful osprey]

well it seems that they need some flame anyways

[distant turtle]

Why do you mention fire? I only assume that fire was a big part because nothing has any paint left on it

[graceful osprey]

mural?

the prophecy mural depicts prince giving fire to the wasteland elder

[wicked plover]

Fire harms most things here in Earth but its Sky so most objects dont burn unless they're dark plants or candles Ig

[wicked plover]

I wasnt paying attention to prophecy murals oops

[distant turtle]

Oh, the elemental power of fire! usually in Fantasy, that can take all sorts of forms

[graceful osprey]

if darkplants absorb and feed on fire/light, why do they burn from it as well? Is it too much to keep it balanced?

imagine destroying something by overloading with nutrients

[distant turtle]

Basically any sort of magical weaponry can be explained as flowing from the elemental power of fire somehow

[wicked plover]

They probably absorb light but how'd it absorb fire if it dies from it

[graceful osprey]

isnt most light also described as flame?

[wicked plover]

Oh yeah

[gilded fossil]

/well- manta doesnt really have a flame?

[graceful osprey]

oh no not the cursed vault elder

[true grove]

Isle elder seems like he would steal my candles

[graceful osprey]

dont all light creatures do?

[gilded fossil]

/they have light, but no fire

[graceful osprey]

i think in sky light is the same as fire/flame

[gilded fossil]

/*sorry but why is your name full of squares- old phone probs-

[graceful osprey]

its actually covered in eyes and emojis

[novel marten]

They’re emojis and special characters

[true grove]

It's all eyes

[graceful osprey]

theres a setting i think which you can turn on to enable emojis or something on your system settings

[gilded fossil]

/why is that that some flame gives you a currency and some light is just- energy?

[graceful osprey]

i forgot what it was, because most modern phones enable them by default

[graceful osprey]

that light is wax probably

[true grove]

Don't all light give you energy

But some give wax

[gilded fossil]

/what is energy in this world?

/why dark plants give wax they're dark!

[hushed steeple]

When you wanna get into the lore but don’t know where to start:

[graceful osprey]

maybe they release the light that they once had absorbed

[lethal stump]

Hello new Lore Moff!
Read this short document to get started! Once you’ve read this, check out pins for more information.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18B1-SKG3toG0oH0VhOWC5o-cG9u0STAN92QvmbhTDto/edit

[hushed steeple]

Aaa tysm

[gilded fossil]

/woah hi bricky

[lethal stump]

greetings
i see i missed some king discussion, what a shame 😔

[distant turtle]

The King is such a mystery even in concept art

[lethal stump]

indeed, but i like it that way
leaves plenty of room for fun headcanons

[wicked plover]

I still have no conclusive opinion on the King

[gilded fossil]

/yupp- i have head canon that he is santa clause who rides krills

[distant turtle]

I like the notion from concept art that the Prince was the same size as the players, as if he was the original child of light.

[bitter shale]

maybe he is

[gilded fossil]

/he probably is

/Paul friend what do you think about the white kid in the dark room during eden?

[bitter shale]

ey maybe people who goes through the ascension before the diamon explosion might seen something better than the ruins of the palace/vault

[distant turtle]

It's definitely derived from the older story of you entering the King's body and finding the Prince inside and escaping together

[gilded fossil]

/what do you think has change to fit the new story tho?

[bitter shale]

like idk, maybe they seen the enormous, beautifully made palace filled with people who bid them farewell and good luck in their next live

thats sounds so pretty

[wicked plover]

Actually I wont even form one, Ill just admire everyone else's headcanons

[distant turtle]

There's no longer any explicit King we confront, and no specific location of the dark area with the lonely light child

[hushed steeple]

Same

[bitter shale]

and before they reach the sky they seen the biggest diamond they ever seen, surrounded by the statues of the elders and shooting golden light that will guide them to The Light

WHOOOO OKAY this sounds better when i write it

[distant turtle]

I know exactly what you mean

So cool

[bitter shale]

im glad i just woke up so i didnt know how to write in english haha

[gilded fossil]

/imagine you taking frens like:mom im going to ascend tomorrow with Emily?
-That's sweet dear tell the big fish i said hi

[bitter shale]

awwwwww

oh maybe... what if the ascension was being lead by the prince? insteda for the ancestors to enter ascension by themselves, the prince lead them just like how current skykid lead the ascension

OH NO WAIT i got a different idea. lemme get the video example first

https://youtu.be/nUgMXhSvJXI

what if the ascension was planned to be like this specific scene from a movie titled 'Big Fish and Begonia'?

so people who already on their end of their life (its either like that or the spirits of the dead who already leave their physical body) will gather on a specific time. the prince/king will open the gate to ascension, which is the beam of light we always seen whenever we want to proceed to the orbit

what if the other reason for the creation of the diamond is not only as the biggest power source, but also so the prince/king can manipulate the gate of ascension?

[distant turtle]

Cool

[silk stag]

Anyone knows why valley elders Yeet the light?

Just curious :pEyes:

[distant turtle]

It seems like the light is all heading up the mountain and they add your light to the rest

[silk stag]

Oooh :0

[graceful osprey]

maybe eden is the king's body, and we fly out of him when he is not corrupted as well

[distant turtle]

I don't know. Everything goes up the mountain in this game! 😅

[graceful osprey]

wait who has that image

[distant turtle]

The one where it mentions flying out of the King's body with the Prince into Orbit? I tried to find it but can't.

[graceful osprey]

no not that, but someone drew an outline around the prophecy mural depicting the prince being crowned king in eden

[graceful osprey]

well yes if you link that image with what i said just now

[distant turtle]

Yeah I remember the outline

[weak wharf]

Anyone reckon why the lighting changes in and out of the Pointing Candlemaker’s cave?

[distant turtle]

I see what you mean now. The statues especially on top of the fortress roof are unequivocally turrets. They have barrels visibly jutting out.

[weak wharf]

Tall Vault elder mask :0c

[distant turtle]

That colossal wall behind the fortress is perhaps the most ominous aspect of all. It was a 'when you see it' moment for me.

[bitter shale]

or was it a cannon, perhaps?

[bitter shale]

maybe thats the big wall of vault?

vault elder looks like they wear a very tall crown

[distant turtle]

Is this the central statue on the fortress viewed from the side? Could you see the wall where you were there, to your right?

[bitter shale]

yes

[weak wharf]

According to the concept art for Sky, there used to be turrets in Wasteland so it’s most likely a turret I think, but then again different interpretations of lore is always accepted-

[distant turtle]

I subscribe to the idea that there is an actual huge mountain under the storm, and that Vault is a tower hollowed out of the core of the mountain.

We never get close to the base of the mountain, but I very much hope it will come in an upcoming season!

[bitter shale]

wall

dont mind my skid dancing lol

e y e

[distant turtle]

Really scary. That wall does look Vault-blue, doesn't it?

[bitter shale]

indeed :<

bluish

maybe since the gw elder temple literally have door to vault-

[distant turtle]

Perhaps it's like this: Wasteland fortress in green, Vault entrance wall built into side of mountain in blue.

[bitter shale]

ohhh

wait i just realized the whole mountain is painted with Life Cycle mural

and they all going upward

goddang

[hushed steeple]

Omg same

[bitter shale]

this part especially

[distant turtle]

I hope it's eventually included in the game. I wrote my idea for a downhill experience on the mountainside and included this image and sent it to the feedback channel. I want to learn more about the ancients journeys and lives on the mountain!

[bitter shale]

my old phone : chuckles nervously

@hushed steeple

f l o p p a

[distant turtle]

It could have terrible visibility like wasteland to allow it to run on phones

[bitter shale]

[distant turtle]

They've proven they can make great mountainside environments with Season of Dreams. I hope they will tackle the big momma mountain some day.

[bitter shale]

oop eden mountain goes brrr

[gilded spoke]

Has anyone wonder why the diamond tech here is yellow?

[hushed steeple]

Flopps

[hushed steeple]

The power diamonds usually turn orange or yellow when activated by a light source

So that might be why

[gilded spoke]

Ah ok

[distant turtle]

Special Dev diamonds

[bitter shale]

oh maybe ita diamonds that not corrupted by darkness?

or maybe its like how that valley boats turns yellow when we light it

[lethal stump]

imo its debatable if we can take the diamonds in the dragon into account for lore bc its a meta aspect of the game - its not necessarily part of the game world, its a reference to our irl world

[hushed steeple]

^ yeah

[distant turtle]

Imagine downhilling through the channels of that mural!

[pseudo heart]

I jus remembered the sleepy traveller's boat is here again and I wonder if the spirits are finding good 3.3 deals via the meditation net

[wanton flume]

You can see the same elder things you see at the top of vault at the top of the Eden castle

[hushed steeple]

Imagine we would get a season in eden

And learn more about the people that lived there

[wanton flume]

That’s exactly what I was thinking

[willow shoal]

That’s just chinese dragon

no need to connect its special design to lore

[true grove]

Pour thee lore

[true grove]

I think boon said that in the early beta when the sky used to darken wherever someone used or forged a white candle you could see that mural in wasteland

[compact olive]

I only doubt this has much credibility because it has a lack of evidence for it at the creation/launch. Which means the growth spells would have to be a retconn created to fix the disparity or that if they were naturally that tall we would see other evidence in the form of other giant items.

So far we have a statue next to the catapult that seems life sized (or smaller if they were giants) and the larger than normal swords even Tsadi/wasteland elder can barely handle.

All murals and relive-able spirits (including ones who were warriors) are smaller or fit the catapult statue size.

That’s why I believe it’s just a rendering Error or an aesthetic choice to make the world feel larger to a small child. I don’t know honestly

I’m looking to create a piece of lore on that battle but I can’t even answer why those weapons are ridiculously large even for an Elder

We have proof that there is a normal sized warrior but only one weapon in all of wasteland that he’d even remotely be able to wield

[somber swallow]

i think i just realized why the prophecy looks like the prophecy icon

if this is the kings icon right

and the season logo looks like that

and the season tells the story of how the king and/or prince became king

then maybe the icon is a display of the king?

[true grove]

Yes you are right we had a lot of discussion on that

[somber swallow]

i wasnt here for that smh

[true grove]

You can search prophecy in lore channel you can read the recent ones

[somber swallow]

i should do that

psdjdhssdhd the way they discussed it

its always a fun time with Sup in lore chat

but yeah im so late to that realization i apologize

[true grove]

[novel jackal]

what makes dark creatures "dark"

like

i know it means that they hurt you

but i want to know why they are like that

[hushed steeple]

Nobody rlly knows

We kinda just make a bunch of theories ocassionally about that

And...

I forgot all of them

[novel jackal]

hmm

[hushed steeple]

Could prob just look up "dark creatures" in this channel and read up. The searching system is so, so helpful and good to use for this channel.

The only simple theory I can remember is dark creatures being polluted because wasteland and Eden seem to be polluted

So they were light, but ended up polluted

Or corrupted

Or they just.... Always were like that

Lightness can't only exist and darkness can't only exist. There must be a balance of the two.

[graceful osprey]

the dragon is alive perhaps. and i don't think it uses darkstone for some reason

[tough marten]

Or maybe ||megabird exploded and that created the darkness, or maybe darkness was always there, and when there was war between the valley twins and darkness took advantage and controlled the some of the living creatures that were really weak, or maybe darkness promised the mantas/butterflies protection if they become krills/crabs||(yep these are my theories)

[hushed steeple]

Why the valley twins?

[distant turtle]

From what image did you crop this?

[distant turtle]

#eden-spoilers message

[somber swallow]

this one

how come you asked?

[distant turtle]

It's just amazing to see which parts of these concept art pieces are 100% in the game and which parts are like 1%

Tall King may even be a removed character for all we know

I suspect he's more like an obliterated character and that if Eden were still intact we would see tons of evidence of the King

Do you suppose Eden and the red rocks are radioactive?

[orchid heart]

May I ask where that mountain is located?

[pure leaf]

Eden?

[lethal stump]

in the concepts, that mountain is meant to be eden. however we don’t see it in-game

[orchid heart]

Dang. That'd be cool to see in-game

[icy violet]

Idk if it's just me, but this game reminds me of another game by that game company. "Journey". ||You can watch gameplay on Youtube if you want||

[lethal stump]

yes, sky is the spiritual successor to journey

[icy violet]

I mean it has the same game play down to the ||Krills||! Like it was some type of beta for Sky (||probably wasn't tho. it was on the ps3 ps4 & mobile so what was the point of spreading it if it was a beta?||)

[tough marten]

As you see, they are really competitive, a bit too much to be friendly, and that valley being right before wasteland shouldn't be a coincidence.

[lethal stump]

no need to spoiler tag things here, bro

[hazy cliff]

I actually think that Valley and Wasteland were connected and the Valley Elders used to live with Wasteland Elder (as I think the Valley temple isn’t really a place to live in?) but they had to move because Golden Wasteland got polluted

Also the Elder temples are at the end of each realm and well Valley are just... Valley Elders

[boreal nebula]

I went OOBing in Underground Cave in Forest and decide to look at the gate impossible to enter, near the Winged Light

What do you think are made of those crystals?

[sacred rapids]

the true darkstone

but yeah what's up with it?

[urban lily]

heeeey can anyone send me the link of the lore and theory file? i lost it askjdaksjdsa

[scenic surge]

In Hidden Forrest there's a small bunch of candles next to a stone slab with a perfect circle on it. What is/was that for?

[hushed steeple]

Continuing into this: Since valley elders seem to be really young, what if wasteland elder took care of them when they were kids?

[hazy cliff]

I actually headcanon that!

(Also I think they died quite young btw)

[hushed steeple]

O

[pseudo heart]

Wdym???

[hushed steeple]

Do you have a screenshot of this

[hazy cliff]

I also headcanon that they tried to climb into Wasteland’s bed and he always put them down in fear he’d squish them xD

[scenic surge]

it has two lit dots. one at 12 and one at 5

[hushed steeple]

Oh that

[scenic surge]

I don't remember seeing another one anywhere

it's not candles near it, it's a patch of darkness, my bad

[hushed steeple]

I can't remember what it is, but I think I recall someone explaining what it was and it wasn't anything that lore worthy if I recall correctly

[scenic surge]

boo

[hushed steeple]

Yeah I know

It sucks when something that looks really important ends up not really being that cool

[scenic surge]

I'm always torn between games adding mysteries that never get solved vs mysteries that get solved disappointingly

[hushed steeple]

Lmao

[tough marten]

I think that different realms are different time periods, and that is

[toxic jolt]

The real question is

What are sky kids actually

[hazy cliff]

Oh interesting :3

But I think that all realms exist in the same time and the Elders are people different from each other

[toxic jolt]

What thing

Gollems?

Angels?

Sons of spirits?

[hazy cliff]

Children that are meant to safe the world but actually just do chaotic stuff

[hushed steeple]

Stone dolls with light sources as their internal organs probably idk

[pseudo heart]

Wdym???

[toxic jolt]

But what type of children, aliens?

[hazy cliff]

Idk

[hushed steeple]

That's definitely a possibility

[lethal stump]

we’re children of light

[toxic jolt]

Spirits of Stone dolls

[toxic jolt]

XD

[hushed steeple]

Just like we are our consciousness inside of a fleshy shell, sky kids are probably all 100% light but their shell is their stone bodies

[toxic jolt]

I dont think that sky kids has stone bodies

When we start to play every day we come from the sky

[hushed steeple]

Their flesh basically is stone-like is what I mean

[lethal stump]

i hc that skykids are made of clay, mostly inspired by golems from jewish folklore since we’re also protectors of communities

[hushed steeple]

Yeah

[toxic jolt]

Or could be that our stone body is like the body of Vision xd

[hushed steeple]

Clay hardened seems stoney

[toxic jolt]

And we can change the composition of our bodies

[hushed steeple]

I just wonder how skids operate, run, think, and etc if they're simply made of light and hard flesh.

[distant turtle]

Silicon brains

[lethal stump]

magic, that’s how
we’re statues given consciousness by light

[hushed steeple]

Is it that simple tho

Is what I wonder

[lethal stump]

occam’s razor, my friend

[distant turtle]

I hope they leave us with more questions each time they offer new lore, like with Cave of Prophecy

[distant turtle]

I heard that it's a clock for a rainbow to appear but I don't know

[lethal stump]

yep

[distant turtle]

I agree, except that I would estimate that Valley used to extend all the way at least to the end of the boneyard, with the battlefield being Wasteland Elder's original domain: to defend Vault and the mountain.

[hushed steeple]

Sounds good

[scenic surge]

oh, thats cool actually.

[hazy cliff]

I agree :3

[distant turtle]

There's also that part of Valley that still exists that we can see but can't reach, except by rocketing up. The very beginning of wasteland? Maybe there was more cloud city like that extending all the way throughout GW, once upon a time.

One thing I noticed is that I think the building you have to fly through in the air race might be the same model used for the broken temple, where you meditate in GW?

Nevermind it's far smaller

[pseudo heart]

Wait wait what

Broken temple is the GW first area + first krill area, the only place you meditate on is GW's elder temple (other than ark boat)

So uhhh,, which one—

Iirc broken temple's area is a similar building to Forest elder temple. The room past it to the entrance of Graveyard was a relic of the old beta, a cosmetic closet was supposed to be there.

[distant turtle]

I know exactly what you mean and it makes perfect sense, but nevertheless, the daily quest instructs you to meditate in the broken temple, and it means that roof structure stuck in the mud near all the crabs in the beginning.

[pseudo heart]

Oooooooo

I get it now

I think it's supposed to be one of the floating buildings like the ones above the GW social area

[distant turtle]

Maybe this piece came from the actual ruined temple/first krill area.

Yeah I think you're correct

[pseudo heart]

fun fact: the buildings there are also the far buildings you see when you go to the Valley stadium OOB

[distant turtle]

Cool

[mossy pine]

Is it okay to ask lore questions in here?

[distant turtle]

Anything you like yes

[pseudo heart]

Yes

[mossy pine]

Okay well, does anyone know what the markings here represent? I just found the place and I'm curious.

[lethal stump]

looks like forest temple to me

[distant turtle]

It represents the sort of work they did here

[mossy pine]

Ah. It seems there's boats with light jars in them, so that makes sense.

[distant turtle]

Mining, processing and delivering 'light', possibly in the form of the power stones

[mossy pine]

Thank you for the explanation.

[hushed steeple]

Also, the boats might of came from prairie

Since you see that the pots were placed into the boats

So form prairie to forest

[distant turtle]

Ah so that's what the forest temple door means

They needed raw materials from both Forest and Prairie to craft those glowing stones

[umbral hedge]

Hello 👋 i’m new in this but don’t u guys think that that the secret butterfly area in forest was made by that monster thing in the cutscene?

[distant turtle]

Welcome. Maybe to some degree, like the entrance tunnel?

[umbral hedge]

yeah, it might of done some digging for the entrance of the tree, but it seems unlikely that it fit through the entrance. Maybe it grew up there?

[rapid juniper]

I noticed that to when i first got to valley oob

[somber swallow]

is it vaild that the Pointing Candlemaker's wife and kid may have left to go leave the candles in the other realms ?

since they cant really fit all those candles they made in their house

[lethal stump]

imo i dont think they were candlemaker's family, i think they were more like apprentices of some sort

[hushed steeple]

Wait when we saw the spirit memory in Isle and we saw a skykid laying on the ground doesn't that mean we were there before?

[true basin]

That was a winged light or a star actually

[hushed steeple]

Oh

Makes sense

[distant turtle]

Was there ever another spirit memory with that sort of winged light or skykid character featured?

[true basin]

No i don't think so, i havent seen all of the seasonal spirit's memories tho. The normal non-seasonal ones only have one winged light in their memory and that's "come here" spirit

[jade river]

H
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What's the topic bois?

[true basin]

The spirit memory of "come here" spirit from isle having a wl star child in there

also wondering if any other spirit memory has a wl featuring in it too

[jade river]

Oh, i really dont know what that can mean

Maybe one of the first sykids to ever arrive?

Idk, it clashes with what i have in my theory

So i really dont know

[true basin]

But arent winged lights different from us skykids? That was probably just a star that fell from the sky

[winged marsh]

I have a question which is not related to this topic right now.

Is it possible that the vault elder is “the king”?

[jade river]

I dont think so tbh

It looks like the main priest of the vault

Not a ruler neither an ex ruler

[winged marsh]

But look at how all the elders sit at the top of the vault, like the vault elder is in the middle...

[magic gust]

that's probably because the builders of the vault favored the vault elder

or that's his sign of saying that 'this is my property'

[distant turtle]

In the final cave of prophecy painting, the central figure and the Vault Elder are both pictured. It depends whether you feel the central figure is the King, but the Vault Elder isn't really given a prominent position in the painting, fitting for a king, either.

[ivory heath]

posts again cutely

[bitter shale]

[sinful anvil]

if everything else needing diamond to activate (eg doors) work so well, why arent the turrets working anymore??

[sly kestrel]

Technically the turrets were jus an old concept of the game that most likely never made it to the final design
But lore wise I think they jus broke and weren’t operable anymore due to aged decay

[quiet crystal]

Hehe I always think that those creatures were real in Sky but they went extinct before we came

[pseudo heart]

I just realized lmao

These aren't diamonds but recolored bricks

What if they used manta juice to paint over them so they'd look glowing

H

They look similar to the white portals—

The 8 player door in prairie and sunny forest entrance from boneyard

Maybe they're the same material—

[somber swallow]

wlrj gfgdljnnnfvsd;knk

manta juice

[icy bison]

I got a picture of the final wall mural

Kinda horrifying to see them stealing light from mantas and putting them in jars

And the fact that they harvested light from the giant manta for the largest crystal.

You can also see how they harvested ligjt in the laughing spirit

[true grove]

I think they aren't harvesting light. They are storing information in the capsules in vault. From the mural you can see that vault's spirit/memory mantas are just projections/holograms of the organisms whose information was stored in the diamond

[sacred forum]

Tom zhao concept art

[icy bison]

I think they are harvesting light. That's why the mantas are in the picture

Also the laughing spirit shows how they took light from the birds

[restive cosmos]

I have a theory:the true elder of eden is the friends we make along the way

[wispy parcel]

How exactly do they— acquire the manta juice?

[pseudo heart]

Manta/light creature juicers (e.g forest temple, broken temple (GW)

[wispy parcel]

do you have pictures?
I’m a bit too lazy to look

[rapid juniper]

Lmao

[restive cosmos]

Ok I'm gonna show you the proof

You know how you meet the elder of each realm at the end of it?

Yeah you meet all your friends (bot replicas of them with their name)

Also the elders face are on their respective realm portal

And the eden portal has multiple face on the portal

Friends prehaps

[restive cosmos]

Pls ignore my sky kid

[storm trench]

Those are the masks of the elders. From left to right: Prairie, Forest, Vault, Wasteland and Valley. Probably

[sharp socket]

I’m doing my trials and on the wind trial I keep getting overshot and undershot ;-;

[hushed steeple]

Yeah what Crimson said

@sharp socket How did you get that shadow role

And what is it

Nvm it's gone

[sharp socket]

I don’t know-

[storm trench]

check the pins in general

[hushed steeple]

Oka

y

Ohh I see

Also oops I asked in lore chat which is unrelated zggsikgxkgx

Also

With the elders' faces being on the Eden portal

actually BRB let me get a screen shot

okay anyways

So the elder faces are on this portal. On top is that diamond shape which is often a symbol of the king. Since the elder faces are on the portal, then the diamond on top of the portal represents the king possibly, and since the king's head is on top of the Eden portal, maybe it symbolizes that he's the Eden elder.

[sinful anvil]

good theory.
however...
we said all elder faces except isle’s is on this portal. there are 6 realms, 1 elder per each (assuming valley is 1 bc their stone is two halves of a whole). that means without isle there are 5 elder stones on eden portal. when you look at the portal there is 5. so from this i conclude eden elder’s face is not on this door.

[compact olive]

Eden elders face is above the 5 faces

[restive cosmos]

I have just one more evedence for my theory

The eden constellation in the vault elder cutscene looks like the favorite friend constellation

[graceful osprey]

yes, it does

i dont know the lore/theory behind it though

[trail oyster]

random thought-what would happen, if we were just to break the whole of the vault of knowledge and have all the jars break and hell break loose

[trail oyster]

the corrupt elder creature looks like toothless

[sullen gazelle]

Why are there so many pots in vaut? Wut is its use? What’s inside?

[trail oyster]

this is terrifying

if this....thing, acutlaly came and devoured the prarie, then i swear, i would just toss my phone in the blender and make a smoothie to comfort myself

[distant turtle]

It would be like burning an ancient library with centuries of knowledge. There would be the loss of precious archived information.

[hushed steeple]

Like the Library of Alexandria

[hushed steeple]

I think those are stored with people's memories but idk

[sinful anvil]

no...? that’s forest elder’s. 5 elders (except for isle) from the realms, 5 faces.

Prairie, Forest, Valley, Wasteland, Vault, that’s 5 elders enough (seeing Valley’s as 1). eden door has 5 faces

[hushed steeple]

@sinful anvil we're talking about this not the faces

[sinful anvil]

oh

[hushed steeple]

lol

[bitter shale]

Good thinking polusky

Also that bell got the same sound slike the one in the flying castle

[hushed steeple]

Yeah it do

Also tbsnks

[vale hollow]

Why do sky kids never ever open their eyes?

[faint obsidian]

They have eyes? I thought they just didn’t have faces under the masks

[vale hollow]

They have faces though

[hushed steeple]

Yeah they do

[urban ginkgo]

Chibis “blink” so I guess they just don’t like opening their eyes without the mask or something or simply because think of how creepy it would look

[hushed steeple]

They only open they’re eyes when wearing masks as I’ve seen

[slate saffron]

They probably do! Just never without a mask

[vale hollow]

Sky kid shy

[hazy cliff]

I think Skykids’ eye sockets are empty and they have some orb of light in them instead of an eyeball

And me and my friend were theorizing that it might be some fashion trend of some sort

Like just to do strange stuff with one’s eyes to make them literally sparkle

But that doesn’t make sense

[vale hollow]

What a painful trend to have as a sky kid

[hazy cliff]

Yeah

[faint obsidian]

Also, I have a question, when your relieving memories, and you get to the part when you have to light up the spirit, does that dark stature represent where they died? Or is it just the most prominent memory they have?

[shrewd patrol]

👀

[hazy cliff]

I guess the most prominent memory they have but maybe they died close to where we find their body

[faint obsidian]

Yeah that’s what I thought it was

[vale hollow]

I think it’s just a memory, would be bad to have a dead elder body laying around

[hazy cliff]

I can imagine Tearful Light Miner dying in that cave of grief

[hazy cliff]

:’3

[faint obsidian]

Cuz the crying spirit in forest could have died like thier friend and be overtaken by the darkness

[hazy cliff]

Maybe both?

[faint obsidian]

Yeah

[vale hollow]

Maybe their bodies just poof

[hazy cliff]

Nah :’D

[vale hollow]

And turn into light and went to orbit

[faint obsidian]

Like they die and their spirits just poof to their most prominent memory doomed to replay it over and over again until they are ascended

[hazy cliff]

They can’t go to orbit without our help I guess

[hazy cliff]

Welp
I guess that could be right

[faint obsidian]

If so that’s a very sad afterlife, especially for the tearful light miner

Their forced to watch their friends die again and again

Now if you excuse me I have to go free the light miner cuz I’m sad now

[hazy cliff]

Also I think Elders died close to where they are in the cutscene btw

[faint obsidian]

Yeah that could be true

Also does Eden have an elder?

[shrewd patrol]

Isn't there a king?

[faint obsidian]

King?

[hazy cliff]

I think it had at some point, as Yue mentioned, it could be the king

[faint obsidian]

There was a king?

I know so little about this dang

[faint obsidian]

Woah

[shrewd patrol]

It's name is Aleph wasn't it?

[hazy cliff]

Resh

[faint obsidian]

Corruption?

[hazy cliff]

Alef was the prince but they could be the same person

[faint obsidian]

Wait you can be corrupted?

[hazy cliff]

Yeah I guess

[faint obsidian]

Dang

Are krills corrupted sky people?

[vale hollow]

I mean if you look closely at shipwreck, there’s a lot of pipes with darkness leaking

[hazy cliff]

I actually headcanon that Wasteland was corrupted in the past, it looked like a psychosis with a big tendency to violence against other light creatures and the delusion that every light creature is evil and one is actually a dark creature

(Just a headcanon)

[hazy cliff]

I actually think it’s more like trash water

Tar

[vale hollow]

Yeah sky people being bad of some sort

[faint obsidian]

Hmm

Also there’s those murals in cave of prophecy, what are those abt?

[hazy cliff]

Someone succeeding in all the trials and becoming ✨ultimate shiny✨?

[pastel brook]

Buff moth doesn't need a cape to be buff

[faint obsidian]

Lol

[hoary rose]

The entrance murals are about the trials, and each mural after than represents some part of the trials and then some shiny dude a s c e n d I n g

[faint obsidian]

Wheeeeee

[hazy cliff]

Like they got all wisdoms and somehow the Elders had those and dude became shiny

(I’m sorry I talk nonsense I just woke up )

[hoary rose]

Also do we have theories about what in the world GW and Eden were producing in those pipes? I'm thinking both of them sort of act as "the perils of pollution" but I'm not sure

What if Krill are just sewage alligators but BUFF

[true grove]

Yes MANTA JUICE

[hazy cliff]

Sometimes I imagine Forest Elder trying to find a way to clean the waters in Wasteland and Wasteland Elder is like “COULD YOU STOP EXPERIMENTING WITH MY WATER OR I’LL COMMIT ARSON IN YOUR REALM”

I’m sorry I’m gonna go

Bai

[hoary rose]

M-

M a n t a j u i c e ????

Why does that sound like something some skykids would drink

[true grove]

I do 🧃

[hoary rose]

Im-

Wait, so I don't know the context, why do you think it was manta juice of all things???

Wait, do manta even have juice???

[hazy cliff]

“”

[true grove]

You can go here and then go to environment the first theories are all about wasteland water
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-SOY_5WrhQ2ftVZEM9VMBsz92-n_53kBzQoHKmY2-24/edit?usp=drivesdk

How do you make juice

[cursive mist]

Poor mantas

[true grove]

Manta juicer in forest aka forest temple. Wasteland was filled with these factories. The wasteland water could be polluted with darkstone ore. Darkstone is another name for the material the diamonds are made from

[magic gust]

where's shipwreck lel

[vale hollow]

After graveyard? On the right side pipe

[magic gust]

Right.

[willow shoal]

[pseudo heart]

Iirc wasteland elder's concept is that they were supposed to be in some sort of,, ye,, psychosis.....???????? Until uhh the skykids help them snap back to themselves again but then GW elder sacrifices themselves by opening the gate for the skids to safety while staying back to fend off the darkness creatures

[hazy cliff]

I was talking about my headcanon that was inspired by this concept. He was corrupted and the kids brought him back to himself.

In my headcanon he now still suffers psychosis but his corruption is gone and he manages well so he isn’t dangerous to light creatures anymore

[pseudo heart]

Oooo :OOOO i see forgive me hhhh,,, now that's interesting

[hazy cliff]

:3

And I have a headcanon that everyone kept distance from him when he was corrupted and only visited him...

They basically thought corruption is some superpower and they found it really cool

[wicked plover]

Now I wonder how the visits went

[hazy cliff]

: “Hi-“

Wasteland: *flinches* “ITOLDYOUNOTTOCOMEAGAIN”

: “Lol”

And when Wasteland was more calm would sit on his shoulder and be really happy like that

[wicked plover]

||This one is cute||

[hazy cliff]

OMG IM SO SORRY

Sjsks

Anyway
There were probably some moments where Wasteland got out of control but can run and hide quite fast and then run back to him when he’s calm again

And they’re just like “H-how did ya do that that was so cool ”

[wicked plover]

I was just imagining dodging all the earthquake causing spear or fist strikes

[hazy cliff]

And if they’d get hurt would cry and Forest will come bonk Wasteland with her hammer because actually she cares a lot about Valley

[wicked plover]

Hammers are blunt and ignore armor, especially without padding so thats possible

Oh what if the hammer smacking his protective mask partially smacked away part of the corruption

Lol

[hazy cliff]

Maybe

Forest would be happy to have a reason to bonk him more

[wicked plover]

Like, partly corrupted but atleast the bonk made him talk first and fight later

[pseudo heart]

GW elder: I feel g—

Forest Elder: grips hammer

GW: gREAT

[hazy cliff]

Valley:

Also I guess this happened a lot

: “I wanna become corrupted ”

Forest: “No-“

: “Yes!”

Wasteland: “A terrible idea, really”

: “Wanna get corrupted”

Meanwhile always like:

[rugged barn]

Hi, so are any new lores?

[wicked plover]

It would be terrible idea cuz imagine these sporty fast bois acting aggressive-

[hazy cliff]

I actually think if was corrupted they’d be double dead quite soon

[wicked plover]

Yeah

[hazy cliff]

And nothing but their appearance would change

[graceful osprey]

maybe all elders were corrupted in some way

[hazy cliff]

Corrupted would be a big problem tho

[graceful osprey]

replace the bat with a sword

[hazy cliff]

[wicked plover]

Ouchies

[hazy cliff]

But tbh I think Forest would just bonk him and he’d be like “Nvm I won’t kill everybody for now”

[wicked plover]

The bat can be a blunt weapon

[graceful osprey]

i'm sure the blow will be devastating

[wicked plover]

Not as blunt as the hammer but its like a club

[graceful osprey]

do you think people in valley of triumph held fighting sports? like gladiators or something

[hazy cliff]

Yeah

[graceful osprey]

it would be weird to see people fighting in the colosseum

[wicked plover]

HmMmmmm, I'm not sure, did they spar? The Golden Wasteland surely sparred

[graceful osprey]

a war is different from entertainment

[hazy cliff]

Though maybe when it was like in the cutscene

[wicked plover]

Yeah, sparring is for practice and entertainment

[graceful osprey]

what if they fought to death/extinguished?

valley elders sure seemed quite aggressive

[wicked plover]

Yeah

[hazy cliff]

In Valley, I think those people who died have their grave stones in the Valley temple as well as the Valley Elders themselves

[graceful osprey]

ok j have abother question:

[hazy cliff]

I think that the Valley Elders died in the stadium, either through fighting each other or fighting one or several enemies together

Though the star constellation says they fought each other

[graceful osprey]

since valley if triumph have the opposing teams red(dreams) and blue (rhythm), would the valley elders be on any side?

[wicked plover]

Oh, so they werent just sparring, it went as far as gladiatorial fights

[hazy cliff]

I think one took one side and the other the other

[wicked plover]

Do the scratches on each team's banner imply any of this?

[hazy cliff]

These banners are just quite old I guess

[boreal nebula]

@scenic surge it's the rainbow clock:
It appears thete at 5:00 (Pacific time) so you need go there according to your time zone to experience it

[wicked plover]

Gladiator fights on ice

[hazy cliff]

I don’t think there was always ice in the colosseum

Back when Valley were alive, there wasn’t ice, I guess the clouds that were there once kinda froze over time (which isn’t possible I guess but let’s pretend it’s possible)

[wicked plover]

Cloudy fights

[hazy cliff]

Yeah I guess

So the colosseum/stadium looked like Valley still remembers it

And thinking about, would that mean the story of Season of Dreams played after Valley Elders’ death?

Or maybe Valley’s memory just sucks

[wicked plover]

Quite a shame if these gladiatorial fights resulted in the loser's death, those skills would be of great use in the darkness on GW

[hazy cliff]

Yeah :’3

[bitter shale]

Gladiator fights

Between valley twins

HEHEHEH

[hazy cliff]

Yes

[bitter shale]

[wicked plover]

To relieve myself, lets just say a touched from the blades counts as hit, not going ham on eachother

[bitter shale]

Unless-

If one of them driven by jealousy to other one

Eheheheheh

[hazy cliff]

[wicked plover]

Bonk

[bitter shale]

E h e

Ehehehhehehe

Thats why i like mushroom

[hushed steeple]

It's cute

[bitter shale]

Im

What

Anyway

Manta

[hazy cliff]

I just remembered when I once thought about what would happen right after Valley awakened from their coma after their soul and body split...

would have trouble walking and they’d get really excited when they can finally walk without any support and they’d run outside to tell but they stop when they see him already playing soccer and they’d get really sad and go back inside

[bitter shale]

AAA

YES

Thats the first time they feel jealousy

Shkshskaha i love this hc sooo much

[hazy cliff]

And then that’d repeat and repeat and repeat with other things until they choose to make ’s life hell out of jealousy

[copper crag]

hey just doing some reading here bc i'm interested with lore, one question, what does headcannon mean?

[hazy cliff]

Something one thinks could be canon but isn’t really canon I guess?

[bitter shale]

Uh, hc is like a person canon?

Im bad at explaining hh

[copper crag]

ooooo i see, thank you, sorry for interrupting this talk about the valley elders sounds so interesting tho

[hazy cliff]

Like in my headcanon this and that happened but there’s just very little evidence for that so it’s not a theory

Headcanon: Valley like milk

Okay that’s random back to ’s jealousy

[bitter shale]

Okay but a question, what if manta behave like cow

[hazy cliff]

What

[bitter shale]

Idk l.ao thats sounds funny to me

They white like milk

[hazy cliff]

||Hi I’m a manta, I behave like a human ||

[bitter shale]

Oh like i have this hc where a manta want to bevome a skid

And they ask a skid for a way to be a skid

[hazy cliff]

Die and hope that you get reborn in a Skykid body

[bitter shale]

Anyway uhh idk maybe they can ask enchant qg for a potion for it

Ah yes that would do

[wicked plover]

||To comfort myself, Ill just think manta juicers are just mantas being milked like cows, dont want them be acquired any other way||

[copper crag]

..manta juice?

[hazy cliff]

Why do I think Manta juice would taste like sour milk to dark creatures

[bitter shale]

Oh-

What if it taste like stale milk

Anyway im on car rn so gotta off rn, cya later

[hazy cliff]

Oh bai :’3

[copper crag]

||i do not want to imagine the ways of acquiring manta juice i pretend i do not see u-u||

[hazy cliff]

Forest: :)

So anyway-

would get so jealous of that they’d try to hurt him and it never really works because either he dodges or Forest bonks them

Until Valley get to the point that they fight each other in a duel and both die

[plain dune]

||Krill juice||

[hazy cliff]

: “A yes that’s tasty” *cough*

[hazy cliff]

: *throws up all the krill juice they drank*

[plain dune]

I think krill juice would taste like a really bad taste medicine lol

[wicked plover]

Except its not medicine

[plain dune]

Yes

[wicked plover]

Just a ||light sucker, like contaminated water||

[hazy cliff]

(Afk)

[copper crag]

ooo idk if this makes sense but getting jealous reminds me of their cutscene, their jealousy could've started when managed to steal the skid's light offering from and bonked it before could

idk if that makes sense tho just wanted to share my thoughts

[hazy cliff]

(I’m back)

[hazy cliff]

I think it started before

Like I really think it started when started to become stronger and more skilled than despite being given the same training and education

[bitter shale]

Hc : before the diamond goes boom, mushroom already killed asparagus and actually regret it. After the diamon goes boom and all elder goes to limbo, mushroom included. They stuck in the void alone. That is, until the skid come. Mushroom reunited with asparagus right before the skid meditate to meet them

Ehe

[hazy cliff]

Oh

[bitter shale]

Angst time babyyyy

Imagine how teary the sutuation be when the twins reunited

[primal sierra]

Good evening, frie-- [reads valley twins angst]

[bitter shale]

Asparagus is not angry that mushroom killed them, rather they actually feel happy since mushroom is considered as the weaker and by finally beating them is like proving that mushroom does have power

Uhhh you got my point ahahahah

[hazy cliff]

Though I think Valley died at the same time and were stuck together since then

And hated every second of it because they couldn’t take being weak in front of someone strong and healthy

[bitter shale]

A w

[hazy cliff]

wants to reunite with them and even support them but doesn’t wanna accept it because they wanna be strong on their own

[copper crag]

im living for the angst

[copper crag]

ooh yeah that could be too

[hazy cliff]

Also would rather be angry than happy if gave them the fire or let them have it, because they wanted to claim it on their own and “felt the need to make it easier for them”

[bitter shale]

Aw-

[bitter shale]

This got me thinking, what if asparagus tried to be the strongest so they can protect the other half?

And yet mushroom never know the reason why asparagus always be the strongest

[copper crag]

lmaooo asparagus

[bitter shale]

Lmao im sorry

[hazy cliff]

I think that yeah, wants to protect but he only receives punches and kicks from them in return

[copper crag]

i refuse to call anything other than asparagus from now on

[bitter shale]

Ah y e s

Sibling misunderstanding each other

Hell yeah

Asparagus always rememnber the pain they felt when they got splitted, and to ensure that kind of pain never befell on them and their other half, asparagus try to become the strongest

They also know that mushroom is weaker than them, so they try to be stronger to protech mushroom too

Yet muahroom misunderstood

[hazy cliff]

But I think was kinda born more healthy than because Megabird tried to balance the twins

He doesn’t even realize that he’s that strong, let alone would wanna use it to do harm, would use the power to do harm though so Megabird didn’t give them power

[bitter shale]

Aaaa-

I love yours ngl

[hazy cliff]

:33

I also think would want to help but they’d refuse

But sometimes they’re too weak to refuse and that would be the most wholesome moments in their life

[wicked plover]

This reminds me of the "The problem with being faster than light is that you can only live in darkness" thing

[primal sierra]

Valley twins agree on one thing and one thing only: Causing chaos

[wicked plover]

You're so fast your bro resents you

[true grove]

[hazy cliff]

I actually have some moments in a roleplay where tried to help the best he could and it was really wholesome

...or would be if my friend didn’t love angst so much

[copper crag]

maybe causing chaos is their only bonding experience but it would often get out of hand bc would start competitions or smth and would get angry

[bitter shale]

can i have the transcript for that in dm?

Hey i love angst too mwehehehhe

[copper crag]

angst is great if done correctly

[hazy cliff]

Oh oki sure :3

[bitter shale]

Example : starmybunny's sky story

Ayee

Oh i was gonna say something... hm lemme write it

Nvm im at loss of words oop

Basically its about how Megabird decide how to balance the freshly splitted valley twins

At first she choose to made them balanced, with same power etc. But then she saw darkness in one of the twin's heart that they got when they got splitted. Se instead she give more power to the other twin

[pastel brook]

wait who are we talking about?

[bitter shale]

In case of when that darkness taking over, the other twin have strenght to stop them

Or at least the stronger one can keep their twin's darkness on bay, like preventing the darkness to entirely control the twin

[graceful osprey]

ever tasted the dark? thats what it tastes like

[bitter shale]

You eman coffee?

[graceful osprey]

no

darkness

[bitter shale]

Dark coffee

[graceful osprey]

coffee has a bitter taste

darkness tastes like darkness

because krills are made of almost pure darkness

what does light taste like

[primal sierra]

Soda

ever had pop rocks? I feel like that's what light tastes like

[wicked plover]

Dark coffee without sugar

[primal sierra]

Whoever said the water in GW is soy sauce, just letting you know that I'm

[plain dune]

black oil

[wicked plover]

Oil contaminated water

[shrewd patrol]

Lmao Soy sauce 😂😂

[green whale]

does anyone know in what world the next season is going to be in???

[pseudo heart]

O

Was watching Tara's beta vids and uh

Prophecy huh—

[willow shoal]

yea

[pseudo heart]

I see

[willow shoal]

It’s testing’s prophecy

and I listed it in my CN lore doc

[true grove]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IX5VDRQXrVjY0hiBvU9AJAswxqtgSr2FlqCaiyivW3Y/edit?usp=drivesdk

I'm thinking if these characters in vault mean anything

There are 41 characters

[graceful osprey]

i want it to be vault

[trail oyster]

yeah, but what would it look like in-game? pretty cool, i guess lol

[tough marten]

||maybe a "seasons of memories" where there are hopscotch and cartwheel emotes that everyone has asked for, and a longer, curly hair, and a "diary" where you can put images and stories in?||(I should move this to wishlist)

[worn tinsel]

Is there a discussion what could have been happened to the residents of the realms?

[cold steppe]

not currently, but it's been discussed in the past

since TGC hasn't revealed what has happened to the inhabitants of the world of Sky, you are free to create whatever theory/interpretation you would like

[urban ginkgo]

nah its oyster sauce

[tender trail]

would it be allowed to share the link to a doc of personal theories? It is not intended to replace any existing materials, just provide insight into my personal take on the lore?

[cold steppe]

I don't see why not, but you can double check with the mods in #contact-the-mods if you're concerned about it being against the #rules and/or getting taken down before people can read it

[old dove]

In the game “Journey”, the people fought each other and destroyed their own civilisation.
And the game looks a lot like Journey’s plot...

[velvet berry]

We’re talking about drinking the GW water?? The elder asks that you PLEASE DON’T

[cold steppe]

elder is dead
elder told us not to drink the water
conclusion: elder died because they did not drink the water

action: drink the water

[tender trail]

crabs are alive
crabs live in the water and thus, likely drink it
Conclusion: Crabs are alive because they drank the water
action: drink the water

[cold steppe]

yeah, there's a lot of similarities between Journey and Sky (TGC made both), so there could be some lore similarities

[old dove]

I want to see that ! I was analysing the frescoes. There are a lot of things that hasn’t been explained yet.
I want a season about the main story line.

[velvet berry]

I just want a LITTLE info TGC... plz

[old dove]

Do you think that ||Krill could have been “built” by the ancestors ?||

[cold steppe]

no need to spoiler tag here!

[tender trail]

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1_ngggYd0pN0LkLVk2r3kIanz-NSMe1mNVCizHl1xkMI/edit?usp=sharing

[cold steppe]

it's possible

they kind of sound mechanical

[tender trail]

that is the theory docc

[old dove]

Ok 😉

[old dove]

Youhou, that’s reading time !!

[cold steppe]

only thing we're not allowed to talk about here full stop is beta only content

not even with spoiler tags

[old dove]

Ah...

[cold steppe]

also obviously don't talk about things that would break the #rules

Noodle, I've only just started looking through it, and it's a great presentation so far

[tender trail]

I really like this piece of concept art that appears to show a krill as being bones + darkness, that's my favorite explanation for what they are

also, I'm really glad people seem to be enjoying the doc

[cold steppe]

noodle, it's a great presentation

really does a good job to sum up a lot of the major points in this channel and concept art

[old dove]

You did a great job really ! I haven’t finished to read, but wanted to say thank you before the chat moves to another topic.

[tender trail]

thank you!

[pale kestrel]

#news Skykids are so tiny!!!

[old dove]

I never spotted that this “Prince” could be some sort of king. I thought it was another sky child. I have trouble understanding that character’s timeline... 🧐 I’m now all confused hahaha.

• where is that fresco about blue energy from the hidden forests trees? On the door of the last temple?

[river plover]

Sorry guys, with that silly question, but I have a big doubt about the king and the prince , we know that the king exists through conceptual arts and the statues of eden and etc. and we know the prince by the paintings of the cave of prophecy, in the beginning and in the memory of the spirit of the dawn island, (at least I think it is), well, my question is where did the King come from? Do you have any explanation for this, because he doesn't appear to fall with the elders in the beginning, will there be any explanation of where He came? I'm sorry for the interruption ... •́ ‿ ,•̀

[old dove]

Don’t be. I’m curious about that little one too!

[old dove]

In the doc, if I understand well, it’s a character that went successfully under all the trials in the cave of prophecy. And then he “gave” his power to the elders ? 😭 I have to replay the game from the very beginning.

[cold steppe]

there's not really any canon explanation of the king and/or prince, but there's a lot of theories from the Prophecy murals

some concept art had the king and prince as separate entities while others had the prince be crowned as king

it's unclear which concept (if any) was put into the game as it is now

[scenic surge]

I'm endlessly disappointed that completing the trials and unlocking that big mural didn't open a door to something cool, i thought for sure if you flew into the gold center part it would turn you gold or something

[cold steppe]

Ark really did set us up for potential disappointment after the whole Ark shop
That being said, I think Prophecy was intended to be more lore focused than anything else

[scenic surge]

even if it was just a cool grove to meditate in or something. the mural itself is pretty cool though, imho

it's hard to please everyone.

[cold steppe]

technically each trial unlocks a new element in the cave itself along with the mural, so they may have been going for an overall effect rather than one big one

[old dove]

So far, isn’t season of prophecy the only season to be linked to the main story line ?

[cold steppe]

depends on what you want to call the "main story line"

[sly kestrel]

All seasons are apart of the main story line
Except the seasons are more for world building rather than the main story, prophecy sort of explained some gaps tho

[cold steppe]

there's theories that Enchantment ties in as well

Jay why the duck

[scenic surge]

There's a story line?

[cold steppe]

there's a story line, but the purpose of this channel is to determine the story line as the devs wanted to keep it somewhat ambiguous

[old dove]

Yes, I mean, I see the last season and the enchantment season like a “slice of life” of what happened during the golden age or the collapse. That’s difficult to express. I’m not a native English speaker...

[cold steppe]

I think I see what you're saying

TGC flat out said that Sanctuary was more intended to be an escape than anything else

[river plover]

I'm also not

[scenic surge]

There doesn't seem to be any forward progression in a story

[sly kestrel]

To me, the season of enchantment (and season of lightseekers) was more of a side story

[scenic surge]

there's lots of world building but seems like the game is in a static state, narrative-wise

[sly kestrel]

It’s meant to be incomplete actually

[cold steppe]

I tend to think of the journey through the world of Sky as a bit of a history exploration where you're seeing a ruined world and trying to piece together the story yourself

[old dove]

Yes, that’s what I feel. And the one of Sanctuary clearly is some sort of “pause”.

[scenic surge]

It feels a little like we're ghosts in a post-society world, reliving spirits and kinda inhabiting ruins

[cold steppe]

the story is about adults sending children to fix the problems the adults created

[scenic surge]

I get more of a feeling that we're uncovering a story that already happened, but that there's little active story happening

[river plover]

Thanks

[old dove]

Just like Journey was...

[cold steppe]

the two games definitely share a lot of characteristics

[scenic surge]

Sky is a much happier game than Journey

[old dove]

And that’s a bit annoying don’t you think?
I was so impressed when I played Journey the very first time! I sort of... expected something different. And we seem to be in the same narrative construction. Being an avatar that land after the grand crisis. I love mystery, that’s why I play the game. But somehow, I can’t stop thinking of the similarities...

[scenic surge]

I kind of see Sky as a build off Journey. furthering the ideas with more resources and game design

so it doesn't bother me.

but i played Journey on PS2 and had a LONG time between it and SKY

idk if that would be different if i'd played it more recently

[old dove]

I see. It’s been several years since my first “journey” too. But enough to remember the way I enjoyed the story. (Maybe too much). Haha.

We will see what the next seasons will be about.
By the way, do you think the next one will be in forest? This is the only kingdom with vault that does not have a brand new “big area”.
Isle has Prophecy, Prairie has Sanctuary, Valley has Dreams.

[scenic surge]

I'd love to see an expansion in Forrest

I think Vault could use it more though.

Forrest has that cool cavern and a few open if not huge areas already

I'd like to see a more open area based around vertical travel

like a giant tall tree to climb

[old dove]

Well, they did dig holes in Isle before the cave of prophecy. I hope forest is next.

[scenic surge]

I think the games pacing could benefit from more desolate spaces too. Isle's HUGE empty areas are kind of fun

Reminds me of Shadow of the Colossus and all that huge empty space to explore

[old dove]

Ho! I send a note on the wish list chat for that. And I think that they can’t put to many details in the maps (datas). The world is almost a desert everywhere. There are no trees in the sanctuary islands, it’s so empty... The ones in the Forest are just trunks without leaves.

(I’m not complaining about that. It’s just an observation).

[old dove]

Totally. This kind of scared me... Haha. To be alone, and lost, and being manipulated. Haha

[scenic surge]

Right. Sky has no feeling of alone, and it could use that contrast

there's other sky kids everywhere

if the zones had areas that felt desolate and isolating, then the home area and starting area's would feel more special

[old dove]

You’re right. Well, now it’s night time for me and I have even more questions than I had before joining that chat room.
Good night ! Thanks 🙏

[hushed steeple]

Amore

[scenic surge]

So up on top of Prairie I got a good view of this mountain with a beam of light and lightning. is that Eden?

[scenic surge]

You got to the top in Prairie?

[icy violet]

I assume so (||but that's just a theory....||||.......||||...... ||||a game theory!||)

[true talon]

That's obviously Eden, it has the beam, the lightning

[gray timber]

it did say when you went there "An escape from daily civilization"

[normal berry]

sanctuary is like that one beach episode trope in tv series, a fun break from the main plot an noooooot completely canon

[tough marten]

let's just talk about how the mantas' shadows are circles

[willow shoal]

[cold steppe]

they're what

[lethal stump]

manta shadows are circles, although imo its probably more for technical reasons. if manta shadows were rendered with RTX ray tracing then our phones would be able to cook an egg

[hushed steeple]

You just made me realize how amazing the lighting is in sky technically how did they do that

[molten shell]

AIGHT

Y'all know how yeti slopes kinda looks like Eden?

What if that's what Eden once looked like, and we're actually seeing the past through a dream. The entirety of the area is nothing more than a figment of our imagination detailing what once existed before it became the Eden we now know.

[stray apex]

You ever wonder what the Ark’s destination was

[lyric dome]

[tranquil patio]

hello! i have a question what was the mega birds purpose in the lore? what did it do?

[cold steppe]

in concept art, megabird was kind of like the creator deity, iirc

all creatures were born from and returned to the megabird to be reborn again

in game, megabird lore is very, very fuzzy, if it's there at all

[hushed steeple]

If you think about it, when you see the credits; there are multiple stars(?) Each one for every person who was a part in making sky.

In the end, said stars(?) Zoom out and form megabird.

So technically, Megabird represents the creators as a whole and is therefore still the creator of sky 0vo

Jkjk

[bitter shale]

I mean

You are not wrong either

[pastel brook]

ktjn's clones are watching

[bitter shale]

[plain dune]

[hushed steeple]

I finally thought of an theory if anyone would like to hear 🧍🏽‍♀️

I see an answer, I might take an while to type it all out because it’s gunna b an kinda long message

[magic gust]

e

right

continue

[hushed steeple]

Okay so like the other day I remember seeing someone say in this channel that they have an theory about the different realms being like, different timelines in the game, I forgot who it was that said that but credits to that person for thinking that, and like I was starting to think deeply about that, and I was thinking about how the valley race you have to collect all the fragment lights to finish the race, and I was thinking that the twins were mostly the main reason why the other realms are like, abandon, I can’t really think of an word to perfectly describe the other realms, and how using fragment lights in both flying and sliding races seem like wasting energy, if that makes sense, and even in the cutscene the twin elders were fighting over the little light, which would end up with one of the twins punting it at the sky, so maybe the twins during their time when they were alive would cause an very very big problem, which would then make the twins fight over light and possibly power too, but that’s just my theory

I have another theory connected to this, about Golden Wasteland buts it an work in progress, you can give me some critique with this theory :]

[quasi aspen]

Not really much lore but I just wanna talk about the meaning behind this . If we assume it's a Phoenix cape, it can symbolize 'eternity/immortality' . Maybe it's a reward for someone who never giving up their DREAMS ; just like the Phoenix that always rise back from the ashes/fire

[hushed steeple]

That sounds very interesting :0

Btw headcanon: I like to think that the Prairie elder is an father figure and Forest elder is an sister figure to the Valley elders

[plain dune]

For me the Forest elder is like a mom to the Valley elders

[hushed steeple]

That sounds cute

[somber swallow]

the fact that sky kids can kip up after falling on their back proves their frighteningly strong and thus further validates the existence of

[bitter shale]

Imo gw would be father figure for the twins, and prairie will be older brother figure

Either way they are a very big family

[pseudo heart]

quite literally

[restive cosmos]

So she teaches them to steal from sky kids....... Interesting

[hushed steeple]

This makes more sense and makes it more cuter

[old dove]

In the valley of triumph, we are in the mountains. I doubt that the village of dreams would be some kind of illusion from what Eden was. I think it’s more the suburbs of the coliseum. This area was once the more populated. And it represents the apogee of that civilisation, isn’t it?
There are houses and buildings all along the races when you rush trough the mountains from the citadel. So I think the purpose of valley and the upcoming seasons taking place there will all be about splendour hours, dreams people want to accomplish, competitions and performances.
To me, Eden is more quiet than this place, and more luxurious. It was a palace as I understand.

Guys, what if the final reward of the season of dreams is megabird costume?
It would be a clue that somehow TGC did not give up that idea.
When you enter the citadel, there is that bird statue on an altar. It’s wings are open, and the belly is facing the sky. Pretty much like an offering or a tribute. The position of that animal suggest that it’s a carving and probably not a bird that was petrified. I think. Could it have been there, on the top of the mountain, some sort of bird worship?

I’m connecting the dots little by little.
In the wasteland, there was some kind of war. And I’m favorable to the théorie that two factions of ancestors went into a war to access and defend the vault energy stock (diamonds of light).
Here is the connection. There are scattered shields with a sun and others with diamonds. I didn’t spotted any sun shapes in valley, but, if there was a bird worship there (sun, origin, creation god), maybe that conflict opposed Valley and Eden.
Those two look to be the two powerful places in the game. Like Bevelle against Zanarkand in FFX.

[true grove]

The wall is clearly visible with this glitch

[old dove]

The wall that protects the Vault?

[edgy sleet]

Can I just
my silly headcanon

So, you know the dragon showing up in Home lately? And the way it drops orbs that act a little like darkness?

My headcanon is that it was broken down a long time and, like many other pieces of ancestor tech, got infected with darkness and whatnot. The dark orbs are meant to be fireworks, but they're infected by darkness and their light is trapped. But! Now the dragon can celebrate with everyone again, because the skykids are here! The skykids don't mind a little darkness! In fact, they love to burn it and are delighted that the dragon brings them these light-filled gifts.

that's my headcanon on dragon lore.

[bitter shale]

Oh and that dragon emit the same sound we hear when we activate elevator btw

Buzzing sound

If you hear closely

[old dove]

Hi guys, I think you already went through that archeological process, but I’m new to that chat room. So let me expose my théorie.
In that theory, Valley attacked the Vault in order to access the energy stock. Somehow they went short on ressources because Eden and the palace monopolised manufactured light and they were destroying the world to create a giant light diamond. Or maybe, Valley people worshiped sun light over manufactured light and wanted to put an end to that crazy race for power.
I went in a little run to search for clues of that.
In the citadel (Valley), the round platforms are in the shapes of the “sun shields” found in the wasteland. In the wasteland, the statue near the catapult is doing the same pose as the last travelling spirit (duck mask) that comes from season of rhythm (Valley). The first zone in the wasteland is called “broken temple” and bears the architectural designs of valley. So maybe that zone was an extension of the Valley territory.
Still in wasteland, there is a temple that looks like the forest temple. It has diamond shape designs on the walls. Diamond shapes are found on the shields before the entrance of Vault.

And here is the diamond design that suggest an affiliation to manufactured light :

[true grove]

Enchantment murals are screaming rn

Wh- what is that sticker- I-

[bitter shale]

Pspspspsp that dragon was suppose to throw crabs instead of pearls

[bitter shale]

Burnt enchantment qg

[true grove]

Good observation he he we do have several discussions on that now and then
Wasteland was actually a factory area and it was converted into a fortress on king's order to protect eden

[slate saffron]

manta juice time

[true grove]

The war theories are archived here
You can read theories by different people here
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-SOY_5WrhQ2ftVZEM9VMBsz92-n_53kBzQoHKmY2-24/edit?usp=drivesdk

[old dove]

Cool thanks !

[old dove]

The why people attacked has not been revealed...

[true grove]

No we know nothing about who fought the war and why it happened

[slate saffron]

So I've noticed that there are two conflicting theories about what sort of war was fought in wasteland (whether or not it was a fight against an invading force of krill or a civil war) so I've had an idea! What if both happened?

[magic gust]

Well, it is possible that its either a traditionalist sect that attacked or an invading force

Or a coup

[magic gust]

Very possible

Had a conversation with pyre over another chat, he discussed krills potentially becoming a version of landmines

Wanna see

?

I have to backread a bit

But I can just screenshot it and put it here

[slate saffron]

Like some sort of civil war had broken out between the diamond shield faction and the Sun faction but during the fighting or shortly after the krill arrived. Already weekend by the previous conflict, both factions or whatever faction that was victorious would have been unable to withstand such a formidable foe and would have been decimated.

[slate saffron]

Sure!

[magic gust]

Also, there is also his theory that at some point the loyalists might have used the krills but backfired spectacularly

Sorry for the pictures being long lel

[old dove]

That’s what I’m thinking too. Maybe the cause of the war was the problem of manufactured light and because of that, Krill went down the mountain attacking ships and causing ravage. This lit the civil war... Maybe.

[magic gust]

Btw, the order is normal now

So you can read the pictures top to bottom

[slate saffron]

@magic gust thank you!

[magic gust]

Or they sparked the war before then and used the krills as directed, reusable, barely-controlled weapons

Which is kinda both smart and idiotic on their part

Since chances of 'friendly' fire will be high

But the mayhem

Will be large enough

That any opposing army will stagger and just fall into disorganized chaos

[old dove]

Or the Krill are the forces of the planet. Big manta corrupted by darkness.

[slate saffron]

If I remember correctly, in the forgotten arc there is a mural of the krill arriving with the storm and hunting down all the light creatures

[magic gust]

Hmm

So that's either that

Or they basically turned the plague

That they were combatting

Into their weapons

[magic gust]

Oh

So it came after the Fall?

[slate saffron]

They're a lot like an invasive species if you think about it

[magic gust]

Yes

[slate saffron]

Maybe! I'm not quite sure

[magic gust]

Maybe the storm symbolizes the civil war

Also possible that the ark was basically a cargo ship that goes to and fro the Kingdom's territory

Idk, haven't visited it yet

But I'm at GW

[slate saffron]

The Arc carried magic inside of it

[magic gust]

Hmm so basically a tanker

A light tanker

[slate saffron]

You can actually buy spells from it if you complete the quests there!

[magic gust]

Oh really? Thanks for the tip lel

[old dove]

But in Prophecy, the krill already exists in the clouds, it’s shown going down the mountain when the king is on the top of Eden.

[true grove]

That's why it's a prophecy

They predicted everything

[willow shoal]

[bitter shale]

'The kingdom shall prosper under the Child of Light reign, but beware of the darkness lurking'

Thats my interpretation of the final prophecy mural btw lol

[shell barn]

Hmm i womder what the lore about the krills

[willow shoal]

[primal sierra]

"Crustacean bad"

[devout skiff]

Found this inside a skykid's body 🤔???

[willow shoal]

[primal sierra]

How did you manage to perform an autopsy on a skykid??

[true grove]

It's from early beta

[true grove]

Stand near a wall and adjust camera angles

[edgy sleet]

Hey, that's my picture :D
That's me and my pal I named Gaster

[willow shoal]

Early beta testers know many things that we don’t know

So each realm has its special building style.
Isle: Stone Cave
Prairie: Nest and Village
Forest: Machine
Valley: here are
Wasteland: Factory and Ports
Vault: Library

[edgy sleet]

If you're ever curious about anything from the beta, feel free to ask about it.

[willow shoal]

Thank you!

So I wonder what quests in beta were removed after global live version launched?

Just like “Activate the ancient machine”

[edgy sleet]

It wasn't really a case of quests being removed exactly at the live launch. More that they were trying out a lot of different things over time, many of which eventually got removed. By the time live launch came, those quests were already long gone.

But let me think... It's hard to remember many because most of them were terrible and removed for good reason. I rarely did them. There was "Change your pants" and I think "change your hair." There were some location specific ones like finding the golden pot in vault, the barricades in wasteland, or some specific cape buying stations back before spirits sold the capes. Modern quests like "meditate with the spirit mantas" are like an evolution of this. Back then you just went to the spot and there you got it, but now we at least have a fun activity to do when we get there.

There were also multiple quests for flying continuously, some shorter and some longer, but all the same thing. Basically you just had to fly around on the clouds for a while. Was sorta nice and zen at first, but the 5th time you get the fly for 1 minute straight quest it gets OLD.

[willow shoal]

Thx, now I understand it

[sinful anvil]

i listened to a silent podcast and i could hear some singing here

[hushed glen]

interesting

[old dove]

This is the pendant from season of belonging. Why does it have the same design than Valley buildings ?
Can someone remember me the plot please? I participated but honestly I forgot. Was it the wanderers we have to gather in the new forest area (table tree with a chimney)?

[bitter shale]

the new forest area is for belonging season iirc

...nvm i read your question wrong lol

i think the belonging symbol is symbolizing the family strong bond like a chain

something like that idk

and the one in valley is representing sunset

[old dove]

Sunset. Okay. Can we assume that the season of dreams is taking place “before” the global fall?
And that globally each season belongs to the timeline of the kingdom it is in?

[sullen mirage]

Not exactly lore and vey confusing:

does anybody else frequently hear the notes that are at the end of orbit? Like this for example, I hear clips of it in every realm

[old dove]

I don’t know. It sounds like distant birds.

[bitter shale]

those are manta, actually

[sullen mirage]

Oh lol, I didn’t give a good example

[bitter shale]

i spent most of my time playing around with the mantas in sanct, so yeah

i get what you mean btw lazari

[sullen mirage]

Yeah I had no clue how to explain it

[bitter shale]

i think its like to represent that prairie is... uh, got most Light?

and the fact that they got the whole island tfor the mantas

and jellies

....and crab

oh btw one of prairie spirit got the same leifmotif with the orbit song

that butterfly guy, idk what their name haha

[sullen mirage]

True! Imma make a comparison to see

[old dove]

This the only spirit that has a special song in fact. It must be important.

[bitter shale]

they teach us how to absorb the butters

[old dove]

This is the only emote with which we have an interaction with creatures no? Besides “calls”.

[sullen mirage]

This is the best I could do

[hushed glen]

it sounds pretty much the same to me

[sullen mirage]

Yes!

And you hear other similar notes in different realms, I just thought that was neat

[bitter shale]

maybe its represent the connection of the realms to the light

and prairie got the strongest connection of all

[sullen mirage]

Gasp

That would make a lot of sense lol, I never see people talk about it so I brought it into subject ✨

[bitter shale]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/19p_7mI1bI4fxKBk5ogVJCTsU7hzLJejqBgQTSJDAjuo/edit?usp=drivesdk

@sullen mirage you seems to be interested with sky leifmotif