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oh we were always gonna touch the whale- we touch everything
the route is diferent
we run headfirst into krill for Megan's sake-
no like when they were planning
The route is different sure, but does that make any difference when their destination is the same?
yes
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think of it like this
just no interrupting plz
for 30 secs
there is a person and there is a jeep
then there is a chasm
to cross the chasm
the jeep uses a transport plane
and the person uses a rope bridge
wut would happen if the jeep used the rope bridge
it would fall
thats wut the ppl were worried abt
here, the jeep is the elder/spirit
the person is the ligth creature
and the rope bridge is the light creature ascension path
and the transport plane is the spirit ascension path
get the analogy?
Nope but itâs pretty interesting
Not really- if one uses a different path, it shouldn't have any effect on the other
Especially concerning light creatures who are predestined for Ascension unless they're killed through unnatural means
Oki
OoHhh
riiiiight?
Its because elders are bigger spirits than just the children?
Okay I think I get what you're going for?
Yes
I think-
use the wrong path, it could all go boom
Y
but elders couldnt ascend the spirit way or the light creature way
Well maybe because they are not dead
not their bodies anyways
Neither are the light creatures technically
yes @rapid juniper
Is it okay if I talk about the new season artwork-
Dead I mean
I always think Elders are immortals though
the light creature ascension path does not require u to die.....
As long as it isn't beta content, go right ahead
No sure about it actually x'D
Thanks!
thats why the spirits and elders wanted to use the ascension beam: do ascend without dying
So what you're saying is- the spirits needed to die as a prerequisite to Ascend from the start
imagine if someone found out birds were going to heaven and coming back again without dying... some ppl would rlly want to do that too
@queen locust
irl
i mean
wait what's this about birds coming back from literal death
it was another analogy nvm
Hm so maybe the light creatures are already dead and they just guide us
no we guide them
Anyways, in the new season trailer, you can see 5 spirits meaning that it will be 4 spirits again just like Season of Prophecy, of the theme and background you see the snow, meaning that it will be in Valley of Triumph (if you see the buildings), in every concept artwork about the new season (Except for Belonging and Rhythm), the questgiver is always at the middle meaning that the girl in the middle is the questgiver of the new season!
The birds leading us to the forest temp,e
not rlly
And valley flying reach
they r just on their way
we r on our way
we r both going to eden
so we go the same way
no one`s leading no one
except in orbit
He used the birds to guide us to Eden more like-
Tru
coincidentally
Maybe to follow the birds.?
nah
@teal orbit please refrain from posting things like "no interrupting" sending single lines for a couple words of individual thoughts clogs up the channel and gets spammy. This is a community discussion channel and there is no reason to attempt to control when others are allowed to post. If you need time to organize your thoughts, please use something like a notebook or word document application to draft your theories and share here when you're done.
Thanks for the heads up!
Wait really
Text is subject to change for localization or clarity purposes.
"soup"
So- did a quick search- there's some differences between the two

Resilience is more of someone's mental capacity to rise again from what ails them
soup đ”
why is ktjn soup?
Like for when someone suffers from depression, or smthn along those lines
Tenacity is the one that translates better to persistence
oh
The kind that makes you want to try again and again
I-
this isn't lore related, y'all.
bacc to lore
Yes
So to boil it down Resilience= rising from difficulties and Tenacity= moving on despite difficulty
ok folks back to TST ver.2.0
Something like that according to what google tells me anyway lmao
What ya mean
the prince reopened the ascension beam to restart light creature ascension... some of the elders wanted to go back up to orbit but some thought that neutral creatures accessing a light creature way to heaven would bring devastating side effects... so the elders brought their armies and went to war... then all the TST stuff
after the war ended and the ascension beam was crippled and its emitter was corrupted, the ancestors decided that the elders sucked and they rebelled and imprisoned them in where they r rn.... the prince hid in orbit...
then the spirits descended into anarchy without no clear leader and infighting lead them to extinction
oop- brb gotta clean stuff up-
he went into the beam
Yes
ascension beam
and he locked the spirits out
not the elders
@hushed steeple
the elders were locked away in limbo by the spirit rebellion
he ran away cuz the spirits tried to lock him up too
Y
elders were just locked away
at the end, it was spirits vs elders
and the spirits won
So whos the rebellion spirits
the prince barricaded himself in orbit to stop the spirits from catching him and locking him away
@hushed steeple
all of the remaining duds... they were fed up with the elders
they had lost friends and family
he is an elder
its ok
its a great theory innit?
random thought ||but headcanoning twins as goofs who may have trouble to manage the next season but letâs be serious are they really? i mean, managing the capital city, keep thriving its sports sector, well into a golden age, like maybe the weight is lifted off of their shoulders for a lot of reasons â i admit i have bias into this â but maybe just think about the possibility they are not stupid as we think? they can be stupid in leisure but just because they are nigh teenagers who dislike each other does not mean they cannot see the importance in collaborating each other to manage this realm, it doesnt mean they have 0.0 brain cell and cant math. like maybe just because they act like stupid teenagers doesnt mean they do that 100% of the time? maybe???||
think artemis and apollo
u get the idea
childish but also serious
capable of runnig cities
like delphi
Wait-
People actually think valley elders are stupid? They just like to have fun. Them being fun and hip doesn't make them lack intelligence.
they r not stupid...
like i saw a fanart about them lying on the floor with papers around to cater to an ask anon. its rly funny but ... when i think about it ... kinda not
if someone can keep a prolitariat rebellion from happening, that dud is fairly smart
I think the issue is that people often associate maturity level with intelligence
ye
Yep
oh hhh maybe ... those people are right about them stupid. at math.
math?
I don't think being stupid at math is a thing
oh sorry
no such thing as utopia sadly 
at least this season if a poor ppl season
financial hub /= capital city most of the time so ... maybe valley does not have a financial thing going on
eden could be?
isle rainbow bridge go brrr
plus its a villiage
does that mean ... those ancestor spirits are in the rich
wealthy ppl didnt do those things
I mean yes... But I question how far this goes as a problem. If Valley was set up well, then the poor would have benefited from practical homes, while the rich were out of the way in more expensive to maintain home
oh ya sliding race
if the land we walk is also where the prince walked, no wonder he didnt see the slums
ye
lmao classic
hey duds... it just hit me...
that has the energy of when ur a five year old kid and you clean ur room by stuffing everything in convenient hidden places instead of actually cleaning it
Maybe the next season takes place in the slum areas?
I think each twin specializes in one of each race in valley
idk, just a thought
@prime cipher yeah maybe
if u get into tgc`s dev team u r basically a god to ppl like us
ok from that brief interaction with a dev i had ... i wholeheartedly disagree
i can see it
Oh?
(when they replied to me damn... scary)
Oh lol
a scary god?
mhmm
huh
Yeah, game devs are kinda like Gods
ye
like, i think it was something like i said âbut you confirmed in the docsâ or âyou have access to the gameâ and they were like âno we dontâ and i was
[scared refugee]
Anyone who created a fictional world is like a god
ye
ye
ye
ne
yep
darn
and anyone who plays minecraft creative mode
ye
true
well
the lore related thing i was thinkingabout is ... does it make sense in sky to have finance and commerce?
thonk
im
hmmm... what could've been the currency before in Sky though? y'know when all the village people and the elders were still alive and kicking (and we didn't exist yet).
Would it still be wax?
does no one seriously get the moisturizer?
wax were tools back then and they arent officially currencies too
ah
im not even well versed in sociology and social justice but im puzzled about whether exploitation works differently here. in our world ... we know but in sky did they do better in some way and worse in other ways, than we did? is it a whole different misery
plz ignore the meme form... just the content...
thats why
its a real theory
bricky made it
lizard people
was abt to say u have a point
again, asgard, thor the whole marvel deal
sky is basically an op version of marvel`s norse mythology
teth
alef?
hammer
its wild cuz in valley if u want to find the mastermind behind the class divide, they arent some rich capitalist man but ... two innocuous looking teenagers (who totally cant kick and punch u like the gods they are hehahahahah /j)
the twins are rich capitalists can we get an f
equal-opportunity evil in a sense
anyone thought what the citizens of sky ate? like what was in their diet? it'd be weird thinking they eat mantas, butterflies, whale, etc.
kreb
birds are normal to eat so that's something
also plants maybe
maybe they eat crabs ;o
i donât think anyone really wants to fight the twins thatâs a 2v1
sky currency is candles tho, i don't think they would use actual money
its a bit up lolol sorry ;;;
hmmmm I think the twins are competitive with each other most of the time
since they have this sticks thingy, maybe that's one of their games?
hockey?đ
idk what you call the sticks but looks like an early version of badminton idk
they look like lacrosse sticks to me
maybe theyâre just general sporty sticks that are multipurposed
mhmm
valley has an ice rink though.. maybe they play in there?
oh yeahhhh
another random thought regarding the twins
||they give me the feeling that if they decide on conviction sentence of someone who committed enough crime to be meet the gods, they might appear playful like talking like old friends but their words show how serious they are. ie their tones are playful when they are actually talking about thousands of ways to torture or kill||
ngl sounds metal but also scary
damn that took a dark turn
obvs i enjoy the idea that they are terrifyingly good at their jobs
i think they are and they like their jobs
i really want to know Sky language/alphabet though
I really want to understand the mysterious writings
especially those in vault
wonder how sky sentencing and jail goes
duds... its obviously cricket...
i like to have hope and think itâs like finlandâs prison system
throw to krills

jkjkjk unless
well, there r several languages and we deciphered one.....
what if ancestor spirits really worship gods like âin the name of teth, you will be [executed] with a hammer as strong as hersâ
the one used in concepts
oh dear
Bad and naughty spirits go to the light mines
ohhhh where to find? 
wait a sec
that's hella cool
I MADE IT
thanks!!! 
ye
credit s to them too
I remember the font
ye
works for windows
ye
that's amazing
thanks @teal orbit
hah thx
srry for the bad kerning
should look like this
can someone pin the file?
ye
3 i think
but those r in the font as actual roman letters
cool 
sleepy lore chat
Yes
guys so a friend of mine who just finished the fire trial noticed that the krill in the heiroglyphs is the same colour as the water spirit and came up with this. "what if the water spirit was the crreator of the krill" now there's no previous evidence to this i just wanted to get some thoughts
ÂŻ_(ă)_/ÂŻ
What if the sky kid we play as has Clinical lycanthropy
Clinical lycanthropy is defined as a rare psychiatric syndrome that involves a delusion that the affected person can transform into, has transformed into, or is, an animal
And they can also see and believe they are animals
Ik moths aren't technically animals but they can still be considered them
Plus a man with clinical lycanthropy said he believed he was a cat and he lived with cats and developed a "language" with them being the calls in the sky children's case and what if the spirits made the world for the children with clinical lycanthropy so they would feel like their not a minority but what if the manta krill crabs and whales are just the people running the islands but bc we the sky kids see them as animals they go under that guise
But that's just a theory
A GAME THEORY
And the krills being the people trying to get the kids out of the place
Huh...
It being a little away from the story
The skykid we are is not the only one
We can see it in some wall or memories of some spirit like the "come here" spirit
They find a skykid who just falling at the middle of the Isle of Dawn
Not sure the skykid have that syndrome
That's it being put into the island idk its nine at night and I'm bored
So I relived Cry, and the sparkle thing very much did not stay within the spirit model
This said, there were no duplicate sparkles.
I intend to relive a prophecy spirit next
The prophecy once foretold of skykids that never rest. They never saw the darkness that swiftly engulfed them. Donât forget to charge your phones 
huh
Lol
If there is only one sparklething, then the sparklething can he said to be connected to a single spirit/memory, which leaves the possibility that a spirit must actually be there for the orb to show, while projections of ancestors from the memories do not naturally generate orbs
But that be another day
Night guys!
Oop technically humans ARE animals-
I mean, you're not wrong-
Anyways is this bird just from early beta functions or is it actually lore related?
It's a sacrifice to megabird
Wait, do you guys think that krill have a life cycle like mantas?
I don't think so do they?
O H S H O O T
Like, we only see one type of krill

OuO
I wonder why we don't see baby krill
Or if krill look completely different as children
Maybe all the krill are male or all are female
Maybe krills were once very peaceful and something- caused them to be this way?
Someone brought up the theory that crabs might be baby krill, but I don't really think so
Maybe they werenât
Yeah, I had a theory that krill were originally light creatures that got corrupted like the crabs
All corrupted crabs have dark dust that flake off of them. The crabs that aren't corrupted don't have the dust.
children...?
Krills also have this dust
So supposedly krill could have been corrupted light creatures
Basically they were products of pollution
But that does bring up the question of why there wouldn't be any natural dark creatures
Yeah
Good question
My bet is most dark creatures may be nocturnal
Well worms are naturally dark
We discussed this a few days ago
If they were products of pollution were they different/peaceful creatures before?
if anything wormy bois are the purest dark creature
If dark creatures prefer darkness to light, avoiding the day would be beneficial
I mean pure as in pure darkness
Though this doesn't really work if Eden is the sun, does it...
Unless maybe our task of returning stars to the sky (only happens at night) is a cover for fueling the sun (eden) to keep stars away?
Since vault is depicted as night, maybe the dark creatures are outside the vault
I think the orbit- is different from the Eden storm we go through 
This is what was talked about a few days ago
Isn't this why wasteland exists, to protect vault?
Krills are not at the orbit journey
But whales are
Maybe because since krill are both sides of vault
So whales are light creatures?
neither do crabs
In GW and Eden
Whales hurt us
What really-
hang on,
Ohhh right
When do they hurt us?
here, jay explains it the best
Maybe it is removed now
There are whales in forest, GW and orbit-
Wait but in orbit you're dead
Iâve touched the whale in orbit and it didnât hurt me
But that doesn't take any energy, right?
Itâs inertia is so great it canât stop itself
It does
Like, you just bump into it
Wait but in orbit you're dead
Yes..... Wait doesn't that mean the CREATURES we see ascending with us are dead too???

Like when you fly fast and struck something, but I think this feature is removed
Wait maybe it was just because we used to get hurt by bumping into things
Yeah, it got removed
Ooookkk
like jay said, anything hitting you at that speed will harm you, kinda like how we get hurt flying too fast into the wall
Wait, wouldn't there be the ghost mantas then?
Or whatever they're called
whales good
Those Mantas are only in vault-
Yeah, so they're good
Feed me lore
if vault is a hologram/dream then those mantas aren't actually existing, but holograms or dreams themselves
and if they don't exist they cant ascend to orbit of course
Some said the vault mantas are spirits-
also a theory
I honestly don't think that vault is a hologram, but that's a good point
Yeah- basically ded mantas
Yes spirit mantas are dead
I mean it is plausible since vault seems to hold a bunch of holograms
Thatâs why they arise from bones of manta on 4th floor
Yeah we see the manta that got krilled in wasteland
but yeah a popular theory is that vault is some sort of illusion
And they are referred as memories
Spirit mantas are the memories and souls of the dead mantas
But vault is described as being "dream like", not actually a dream
Well thatâs krills for ya
but then why don't we see other spirits of light creatures? surely they must have souls and memories too
Also we meet spirits in there
we meet spirits everywhere 
Or maybe we canât call them
True
sadt
We can only call spirit mantas by memory whisperer call
Yeahhhhh
So if we had a dead whale whisperer call we can call upon whales from their bones
aaaand, if other light creatures can die then they should have spirits too
They o have spirits we canât see em though
Cuz we donât have the right call to call the,
Like there is a dead manta call
Maybe their spirits are somewhere else? I honestly don't know
But there ainât a dead whale call
Yeah-
Maybe the ancestor spirits of sky tried but they couldnât call the dead manta
Anyway GTG
but do we not see spirit mantas before we get the call?
Good day
Wait, remember the dismayed hunter spirit memory in hidden forest?
I mean they are found in the same level
I think that she might have shot the whale that we see the bones of
Like
After she shot, she facepalmed
And the whale crashed and died not too far away
Whoa
I like that theory
Good job mate!
Anyways, I have to go
See you guys around!
So then maybe the bones are like a storage space
And the spirit manta call was like a download password
And maybe they downloaded the creatures in the memory cubes when Eden exploded because they though that the creatures will die, so to prevent extinction they uploaded the creatures in the cubes
Vault Elder's password 'lamedissuperior'
And memory whisperer is the keeper of passwords
Memory whisperer can double as a tour guide lmao
How?
Imagine them just welcoming someone totally new and they sic a manta on them like 'okay Jeremy you go carry this one'
first, USS.Discovery doing science stuff in Klingon territory is staring at u in shock
second, all sky creatures r born naturally into the world
tho i totally subscribe to it being a library/lab
Hmm
Aight so the lantern use diamond on it. And we do know diamond was made by squishing manta
So yea maybe the leakage fo the lantern is what made memory manta come to be
It also hinted by the manta skeleton which pop out a memory manta after we use manta call on it
Seems like one cause of unnatural death is... manta squisher?
And yea no one would gladly get squished to death and call it natural death-
gravity is natural
Gravity is natural yeah but squishing it intentionally wouldn't be considered a natural death for mantas
oH I DIDNT READ THE " gladly squished to death "
assuming that so far the only thing that really counts for natural death is old age and not dying maliciously at the hands of other people
If it was an ACCIDENT free of conscious intervention, then that'd probably count as natural
Say some manta got caught in a landslide
But getting PURPOSEFULLY squished to death- definitely unnatural
"gladly" 
lore chat pretty ded-
Someone krilled it
why do moffs start with a brown cape? Why brown of all the colours?
maybe to fit the aesthetic of isle XD idrk
i wonder if the moth style will ever change in the future.. đ
<Brown in color psychology is a color of sincerity, reliability, honesty and loyalty, it relates to maturity and being sensible. Itâs a combination of a few different colors, including, orange, yellow, red, green, blue and purple depending on the shade. Its characteristics are made up of all these different colors.>
-is what I got from a google search-
To which- it'd be weird if it stood for maturity and sensibility considering we were technically just born
it is a pretty nature-y and light hearted color,, i like it!
Speaking of nature it normally has strong connections to earth
which is ironic considering the brown thing is the thing that makes us fly
Imagine if we start with pink hahah
Where's the annoying part
Lmao sensibilityâ bonks into a wall
hjonks like there's no tomorrow
befriends everyone
wl fireworks in GW and Eden
Yes the embodiment of sensibility

Hey guys I have a question, sorry to kinda just barge in here
I saw a post saying that all the elders are siblings??? And it was confirmed???
If that's true i have to rework so many theories
q u e
No???? We don't know the elders' actual connection to each other
But iirc Vault and forest elders are related?
i deffo think the twins would be siblings or close friends at least. they show that kind of connection
and ofc we cant forget mama forest and papa vault 
Yeah !! I saw the ones with the vault and forest elders, and the twins. I mean, they're known as the twins lol
But ok!! I just wanted to ask lollll I was very much confused
ppl who ship the twins are odd imo. o.O
Yall ship whâ
kdffjkfdsgbf.hbgr
At one point in time that was an actual convo we had here, many points were made ok
Lots of dots were connected
We don't speak of it now but it happened
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oh g o d
like i get shipping your sky oc's with alef and daleth's hair,,, but wh-???
covers my skykid's ears we won't be shipping you with anyone sweetie don't worryâ
spoiler alert Alef and Daleth don't really refer to the Twins here lmao
per this: this quote that came from the japanese stream means that their masks are related
i wouldn't say all the elders are siblings but as far as we know they were most likely created and lived in orbit until they fell
Oh they were referring to the twins?
instead you'd be referring to the Prince and the Isle Elder respectively, concept-wise
it is confirmed that the valley elders are twins/siblings though
and that's objectively worse imagine shipping a kid with an old man
đ
THAT'S WHY I GOT CONFUSED đđ
WAIT U THOUGHT I MEANT THAT
:0 hoh? is it just a headcannon of some sort?
Really the only ones with an actual clear relationship are the Twins
Nah- old concept names of the Elders
I have absolutely no clue how Alef and Daleth became the widespread hc names for the Twins
Samekh are the elder twins' nameâ
in some communities for some reason they call the twins alef and daleth but that is probably from the older concept art where they were actually alef and daleth
it was reaaaalllyyyy old concept art
I think I have that concept art actually
PLEASE SHARE
Want the Elder names? Youâre in luck! The letters in brackets are Hebrew letters, which the Elders are named after:
Isle: Daleth (Ś)
Prairie: Ayin (Śą)
Forest: Teth (Ś)
Valley: Samekh (ŚĄ)
Wasteland: Tsadi (ŚŠ)
Vault: Lamed (Ś)
Prince: Alef (Ś)
King: Resh (Śš)
PLEASE NOTE: These names have appeared in concept art and are often used when referring to the elders. They are no longer canon, they are fanon.
<credits to Bricky>
Didn't they also make a doc for their names and stuff, as like an intro
my friend scrolls through sky pinterest a lot, i think that's where he found the names
Here are the old concept names btw
Ye that thingie and yea!! If I can find it lolll
Note- OLD CONCEPT names
have ya'll by any chance never read the lore moff doc-
Lmao if they were siblings then I can def see why the parental figures would name them after ABCsâ
i havent
Lore Moff Doc (ESSENTIAL, credits to Bricky)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18B1-SKG3toG0oH0VhOWC5o-cG9u0STAN92QvmbhTDto/edit?usp=sharing
The Canon Lore Doc (can be found in pins)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10ZWJRGiJSrIXgDvJ4pST61moZbVB_hBExUjOaF-pmOE/edit?usp=sharing
The Theory Vault (can also be found in pins)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-SOY_5WrhQ2ftVZEM9VMBsz92-n_53kBzQoHKmY2-24/edit?usp=sharing
Sky Leitmotifs
https://docs.google.com/document/d/19p_7mI1bI4fxKBk5ogVJCTsU7hzLJejqBgQTSJDAjuo/edit?usp=sharing
And make sure you check the pins, they are heaven to us theorists. :)
Ooo yall wanna see my fav one, its nothing with elders but I think it would've been cool
AYYYY THERE IT IS
I have more
I was looking through the info docket for one of their main artists, and all his art was there
Ah, Tom Zhao's?
Every concept he thought off, every scenery its freaking awesome
Yesss
I didnt even think to look at their profiles
i'm not sure if it's this one but yeah
I stare at that page for a whole hour
A note about the Elder names though- they're not canon anymore so we minimize the use of their names
And then ...nothing
man looking at the one labeled Samekh it's so weird looking at them as one entity instead of two embodiments of chaos
they look ethereal TT
They remind me of this creepy character from pans labyrinth, lived so long and had so many names. Their bodies morphing with the Earth they walked on, I wonder how the citizens talked about the elders. Since it seems like the elders lived in a completely separate reality than the citizens who worshipped them
I just imagined old concept samekh doing the flips and tricks the valley elders do in the cutscene and I do not like itâ
the mini ones in the first pic remind me of LoZ, breath of the wild hehe
The Prophecy murals kind of suggest that they've had several interactions with them- Ancestor to Elder
LoZ??
As they're building up the Kingdom with the Elements at least
Legend of Zelda
Elders are like.. their gods and rulers somewhat
Oh!
i mean yeah if I'd seen this mostly giant being fall from the heavens I'd probably worship them too
I think more like God's, telling from the murals they taught the citizens some things. Especially what we see from Cave mural. But it looks like the citizens ruled themselves??? In a way???
Prior to the Elders maybe the Ancestors had some form of idyllic society
Wait but that wouldn't make sense tho, cuz how would they know their own tasks. Cuz in waving emote memories, you see a spirit on a boat taking what looks to be shipments up to the temples
Because the ancestors and elders do interact, u can see in the all elder cutscene that they once did live in the same plane as each other
Guys guys guys i think..... i have made my masterpiece theory.... this may change our perspective on sky's creatures or it may just be one of my weird theories u have to talk me outta...
Wanna hear????????
And suddenly Prophecy and it's like 'dang- alien beings0'
y e s
Okokok here we go
Let's gooooo
Heck shoot- don't le our musing stop ya from typing it out
also whatre ur guys thoughts on the new season teaser?
I'm so excited
ohh ty
Meowphecy hello đâș
Ooh I have to take a bath,, ping me after pyro shares their theory pls 
Same !!
We have met a lot of problems with our current view on sky creatures... like why some mantas r translucent and why some crabs are not corrupted... this will all explain it...
Listen up ppl ..
So, here me out, wut if...
All animals in sky are neutral
Now rlly hear me out
I mean- we'll listen regardless but like just go on
Im not contradicting canon here
I can't hear from the screen đ
@queen locust shhh lolll
But im saying that light and dark may be as only sxientific as the classification of edible or non edible animals...
My theory says there r 2 types of parasites or cells, if u will
Tbe sparks and the dust
What about the neutral
Wait wait
đïž
heck what about the edible vs non-edible distinction- we don't eat mantas nor do we eat krill
Many neutral creatures have the ability to do symbiosis with either the sparks or the dust...
so it's not really dependent on whether or not they're light or dark creatures
Neutral creature that r capable of harboring sparks inside their bodies r light creatures
Neutral creatures that can harbor dust r dark
Like u can see this in game
Mantas, jellies and other light creatures have sparkly things comming outta them when we come near
Except for the butterflies and spirit mantas, made by ayin and lamed respectively and not by megan
Doesn't make it there's no more neutral
Dark creatures harbor the dust
Which need light to survive
Some neutral creatures didnt to this like sanc crabs
And they remain subspecies
Cuz they never came into contact with the dust and they werent compatible t
With the sparks
Other creatures weren't compatible at all
And those r neutral or extinct
Would the birds be considered neutral?
may I interject with a few pieces of canon lore
âThe world of Sky has a rich ecology of light and darkâ
-Launch Livestream
like this one
We dont see a lot of significant neutrals cuz as bricky said, the eden explosion made it so that only polarized animals survived mostly
Ok im done
âDark creatures and dark plants will try to take light from youâ
Commence with the bombing run phase
and that one
'rich ecology of light and dark' and the dark creatures being referred to as... well, 'dark creatures' just kind of drive a wedge into your theory
I'm a little confused with the neutral aspects
Not that the theory isn't intriguing tho Pyre
Wait @teal orbit are you kind of saying that all the creatures are neutral. But what makes them different is what they emit? Like you said, with the mantas and jellies they emit sparkles. While crabs and krill emit the dust. Is that what you mean??
Yea its actually intriguing tbh cuz I never thought of all the creatures as neutral
If that so doesn't It make neutral creatures non existence
I never thought of it that way specifically because it's canon lore that they aren't all neutral
Specifically referred to as dark creatures, etc.
@livid valley wdym
Yeah, but still this is a very interesting thought
Also sorry my 4am mind is not the most reliable
I have a covid test at 5, my mom said either I go to bed or I stay up and sleep all day
I chose to stay up đ€·ââïž
Anywho i like this theory @teal orbit
time to add this to the list of reasons for my sleep deprivation thesis
Unfortunately yes
Oooo spicy âš
Anywho- I can see why Pyre thought they were all still neutral creatures though
There was another piece of canon lore that suggests that all creatures are spontaneously generated
I always wondered where they came from
I also wanted an explanation for these giant eggs
<âWhere do the creatures come from in Sky?â âThe creatures in Sky are connected to the light and born from the light (...) thatâs their origin and where they come from (...) so youâll actually see creatures emerging from the clouds and manifesting as the light sort of comes together. You can also think of it as almost like atoms or molecules, like as the light comes together new life is being bornâ>
-Launch Livestream
Oh those are actual Easter Eggs
Easter eggs
i did see this one comic that portrayed them as krill eggs and while I can't take comics for actual lore those are some pretty bright freaking eggs
đđđ
for a giant dark thing
I'm gonna assume that above quote kind of referred to the whales? Not sure, because I've seen it be referred to as a neutral creature more than once in this chat
Ok im gonna go âšprocessâš that theory cuz. All krill are in gw and eden. So how-
Yeah
What if krills don't lay eggs
Is it like a snake situation
I was gonna assume that they follow that same spontaneous generation thing? not sure- krill are confusing-
And only birth one child which makes a little sense why they are quite only a few of em
There's also the fact that they likely weren't ALWAYS there
They had to have either been generated in those places or they've migrated as a sort of invasive species on Wasteland and Eden
idk if this has been talked abt yet- but what about the w h a l e
Which whale
uhhh
Big one in vault or big one in sanc
The one in Sanc isn't a whale at all actually- it's an Elder Manta
I kinda just... call them both whales đđđ
ive seen that huge whale in the underground of forest, orbit, and gw
Even tho their anatomy do be different
The whales are like the ones we encounter in Ascension, the one in Underground Cavern, or the one that we spot in the space between Valley and GW
The worm ??
they're different because they're not the same-
yeye that
Ok im bacc
Imma clear up the vague parts of my theory
First, im not saying light and dark creatures dont exist
Im just saying that is a very crude classification method
Like saying flyin things and ground things
Rather than birds and large mamals
If u get wut i mean
Second, nobody is emitting nothing
Thousands of small sparks or dust live in one organism
Sometimes there r too much and they jump to another organism
Like a sneeze
Virus
In light creatures, we call it a call
:0 I sneezed so hard
In darkness creatures we call it dust falling off
Third, there r many types of sparks
The small ones r wut make light creatures light
We cand see sound
Yet we do
In calls
Sound doesn't charge u, light does
But we get charged by calls
The light is in call yes
So it must be sparks being sneezed
Even birds have these small basic sparks
Mantas and jellies and fungi r compatible with wut i call a stasis spark too
These sparks keep spark-recipients locked in a weak stasis while they transmit light
Birds dont have these
Thats why we can't "ride" them
Butterflies r more like light-robots they r 100%fire and made by the isle elder as we see in thr cutscene
They r not alive
Spirit mantas r prob just one of the hallucinations in vault
I don't even have a mind how do I get it
Ok any more questions?
Imma ping the others to know their questions have been answered
@stark oracle @queen locust
I explained everything u asked lol
is it actually illegal if you never got a cape in Sky?
You dont need them to answer necessarily..
@teal orbit thank you! It actually makes sense now, and u highkey just made it more interesting
Don't call me a dud3:
Yesyesyes thx
Youre welcome đ„°
Dud is gender neutral i think...
Dude can be in diffrent ways how people think of it
Some other stuff:
Skids can host both soarks and dust
But sparks r a bit more compatible
Cuz were literally a hollow in the Inside (based on what I believe)
Yeah
Hmmm
Quick Q tho, I was looking through my screenshots and saw this one
This Kreb was still doing the dust thing, so what do you think? In terms of ur theory @teal orbit
I think there are some very specific ones that have crabs that don't attack
I never observe em tho
Do they emit any dust
I'm not that sure, but I can definitely take a look around when I investigate later
I think their cell structure are constantly fighting light ... Coz they are dark creatures ... Thats y the dust
Combining bio and fantasy
In wasteland it could be justified as there is always dark dust from the clouds and the dark Atmosphere roaming around
But other places ... Idk ...
Maybe residue of the dark plants?
Remember everywhere crabs are ... There are dark plants
And when plant get burn and explode ... They let out little dark particles
Makes sense?
Hi
/hi pyre lmao
First, all dark creatures shed dust
/1 hour late ping and i was about to sign off
And peaceful sanc crabs dont
/any ways, do continue
Peaceful sanc crabs dont shed dust and arent aggressive
All other crabs and krill do
This suggests the darkness dust is more like a parasite than a symbiote
Like a leach
They make creatutes more irritable
And the creatures try to get it out
But these microscopic organisms r like mitochondria
They are passed on
Cuz babies have sparks/dust too
And no meowphecy
But i checked an i know
No dust
@tawny tundra, u see.. if dust were in the wasteland atmosphere wasteland would be like forest so no...
Make sense
But i do believe the dark creatures r pushing the dust out with their immune systems
How would these survive natural selection u ask?
By eating the other kinder duds
I think thats all the questions for dust...
There is some other stuff i would like to add to sparks
There r 2 types of stasis sparks
The pink and the yellow
Mitochondria don't pass on
Pink sparks primarily live in mantas or other white light creatures
They live inside cells
I think it's just plant residue
Wut is?
Crab have shell how do they shed
The dust
No no crabs arent rlly crabs
They hit us hard ... Skinned animals cant do that for that long
In canon they LOOK like crabs they arent a species of earth crab...
The enchantment krill flies far away from plants
But still pushes out dust
@tawny tundra, im thinking the crabs jointseak the dust....
Krill emerge from dark waters
imma just watch this
The ark fell by that krill ... Or some fight involving the krill
The krill has dust left from the fight
Ark before restoration has very little water there and pre restoration ark water level was the same long ago
The atmos helps the dust stay for long and not decompose ... Like salt never expires in sea
Also its just clouds and uplifting wind ... High chance dust just lifts up again and sits on krill
And first, ships cant harbor dust cut they aren't alive and second, we shen dust in eden after all the light is gone and there r no plants nearby third, if dust were in the atmos, it would be like firest all over again except without graphics
I... am calm... its just my phone buttons r s.all and the bus is shaking
Small
Not s.all
Ok so ... Dust dont stick in light creatures ... We are light creatures so we constantly resist the dust ... Once we lose light in eden we lose ability to resist dust on us ... So dust accumulates and result of gravity excess dust falls
If u cant understand ... I'm making realistic approach
Dust?
Ok if dust was in the air, we would lose light like in forest, and second, in eden, we start to get dust even tho there arent any plants near by
Bruh wha
There r no plants in the last part of eden so the dust sure isnt plant residue
We do lose light in forest ... The dust mixed wid raindrops stick on us ...
Yes...
I've been away from here due to lack of braincells but this is interesting what's dust

There's dark water ... And ITS EDEN
Dark particles shedding off of crab and krill
The water is just polluted... it isnt plant residue... dud
Scroll up @meager canyon
A LOT
I am not sure, I kinda consider this to be a bit related to lore, its probably not tho but I wanted to share this and since best peeps are here, I guess its alright
So, guys, my dear Sky mom has a point
We Have to save the feeshes! Free them, set to the sea!
abzu dood would be happy
Yeah. I'm pretty sure it's just the crystals influence
Wot
2 topics make my head ache
You know that big ol red crystal in eden?
U mean ... ||Battery diamonds|| ??
Lets finish pyre theory first
Battery diamonds?
Oh sharp bois
I just call it the red crystal
Also@tawny tundra , no need spoilers here
Ye the big diamond isnt a plant so dust isnt plant residue...
I was comical
Huh
Its a beta joke
Oh
But yeah I think it's mostly just those things rubbing off the krill
So I just realized that Prairie elder has been shipping butterfly pots, i think
Whatâs the purpose of that?
Onnllyyy nowwww?mmmmm
Ok now back to the sparks
Nono dust questions have been answered
Whats closest canon to dust
Sparks plz
Soz, speedruning cr got into my head, only cr and no lore
Sharp bois?
The light creature symbiotes...
Wot
@meager canyon @gusty cradle @vocal ore @tawny tundra
Plz read from there
And come back
Ok read it
Sky creatures are first of all real life "SEA" CREATURES đ
I mean it been shown crabs are edible
Yeah
But who ate em?
Pink is for mantas and yellow is for mushrooms and jellies
Theres a cooking area somewhere in wastes
All of em are sea creatures other than butterflies and birds
Wut r u guys talking abt?
Graveyard
Yes
Guys...
No
No
Is it real life science?
Plz read everything from up there to down here
Only spirt manta are transparent ... And canon says "VAULT IS MEANT TO BE A DREAM LIKE REALM"
No nono
So no laws apply on vault
Jellies and mushrooms
But in sanctuary we see spirit jellys
Pls... read.... from ... the..... top...
Old theory that might get u thinking: spirit mantas are man made
Real life jellyfish are transparent
Mushrooms are in question
I explained it all like 5 times up there
Its a old theory @teal orbit I don't believe it anymore just something getting ya thinking
Up there plz gab
I read it dud
Bruh
From up there to doemwn here
I just went and read it
So u know wut stasis sparks r now?
Yes
Give me a one liner
Yellow usually live in the transparent animals like mushrooms and jellies
Pink us for opaqye ones like mantas
I need to make this a doc dont i...
Imma call it the pyre theory of life
yes pls
i have hard time understanding lmao my english is so bad
Lets hope its the latter
Dont stress urself



