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teal orbit
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so they just put it there as an objet

queen locust
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oh we were always gonna touch the whale- we touch everything

teal orbit
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the route is diferent

queen locust
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we run headfirst into krill for Megan's sake-

teal orbit
queen locust
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The route is different sure, but does that make any difference when their destination is the same?

teal orbit
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yes

livid valley
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👀

teal orbit
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think of it like this

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just no interrupting plz

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for 30 secs

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there is a person and there is a jeep

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then there is a chasm

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to cross the chasm

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the jeep uses a transport plane

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and the person uses a rope bridge
wut would happen if the jeep used the rope bridge

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it would fall

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thats wut the ppl were worried abt

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here, the jeep is the elder/spirit
the person is the ligth creature

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and the rope bridge is the light creature ascension path

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and the transport plane is the spirit ascension path

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get the analogy?

rapid juniper
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Nope but it’s pretty interesting

queen locust
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Not really- if one uses a different path, it shouldn't have any effect on the other

teal orbit
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oh there we go

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a part didnt send

queen locust
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Especially concerning light creatures who are predestined for Ascension unless they're killed through unnatural means

teal orbit
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plz read again

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i edited it

rapid juniper
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Oki

hearty bramble
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OoHhh

teal orbit
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riiiiight?

hearty bramble
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Its because elders are bigger spirits than just the children?

queen locust
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Okay I think I get what you're going for?

rapid juniper
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Yes

queen locust
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I think-

teal orbit
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use the wrong path, it could all go boom

rapid juniper
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Y

teal orbit
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but elders couldnt ascend the spirit way or the light creature way

rapid juniper
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Well maybe because they are not dead

teal orbit
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not their bodies anyways

queen locust
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Neither are the light creatures technically

teal orbit
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yes @rapid juniper

uneven sonnet
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Is it okay if I talk about the new season artwork-

queen locust
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Dead I mean

hearty bramble
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I always think Elders are immortals though

teal orbit
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the light creature ascension path does not require u to die.....

queen locust
hearty bramble
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No sure about it actually x'D

uneven sonnet
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Thanks!

teal orbit
queen locust
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So what you're saying is- the spirits needed to die as a prerequisite to Ascend from the start

teal orbit
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yes

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and they didnt like that

rapid juniper
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Well uhm I-

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Who would like that

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They killed so much spirits

teal orbit
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imagine if someone found out birds were going to heaven and coming back again without dying... some ppl would rlly want to do that too

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@queen locust

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irl

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i mean

queen locust
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wait what's this about birds coming back from literal death

teal orbit
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it was another analogy nvm

rapid juniper
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Hm so maybe the light creatures are already dead and they just guide us

teal orbit
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no we guide them

uneven sonnet
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Anyways, in the new season trailer, you can see 5 spirits meaning that it will be 4 spirits again just like Season of Prophecy, of the theme and background you see the snow, meaning that it will be in Valley of Triumph (if you see the buildings), in every concept artwork about the new season (Except for Belonging and Rhythm), the questgiver is always at the middle meaning that the girl in the middle is the questgiver of the new season!

teal orbit
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and they have bodies

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YETI

rapid juniper
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The birds leading us to the forest temp,e

teal orbit
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not rlly

rapid juniper
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And valley flying reach

teal orbit
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they r just on their way

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we r on our way

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we r both going to eden

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so we go the same way

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no one`s leading no one

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except in orbit

rapid juniper
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So the birds wanna die

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And they follow us

teal orbit
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no

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light creatures dont die

queen locust
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He used the birds to guide us to Eden more like-

teal orbit
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the isle elder guided the birds to eden

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not us

rapid juniper
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Tru

teal orbit
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coincidentally

rapid juniper
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Maybe to follow the birds.?

teal orbit
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nah

agile galleon
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@teal orbit please refrain from posting things like "no interrupting" sending single lines for a couple words of individual thoughts clogs up the channel and gets spammy. This is a community discussion channel and there is no reason to attempt to control when others are allowed to post. If you need time to organize your thoughts, please use something like a notebook or word document application to draft your theories and share here when you're done.

teal orbit
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oh ok....

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srry

queen locust
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Thanks for the heads up!

rapid juniper
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Wait really

teal orbit
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its the same thing

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but more like try try try again

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persistence

agile galleon
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Text is subject to change for localization or clarity purposes.

teal orbit
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aha clarity

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that makes sense

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how do we read ktjn?

normal berry
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"soup"

queen locust
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So- did a quick search- there's some differences between the two

agile galleon
queen locust
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Resilience is more of someone's mental capacity to rise again from what ails them

normal berry
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soup đŸ”

teal orbit
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why is ktjn soup?

queen locust
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Like for when someone suffers from depression, or smthn along those lines

rapid juniper
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Hm

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SOUP

queen locust
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Tenacity is the one that translates better to persistence

icy spruce
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oh

queen locust
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The kind that makes you want to try again and again

rapid juniper
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I-

agile galleon
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this isn't lore related, y'all.

teal orbit
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bacc to lore

rapid juniper
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Yes

queen locust
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So to boil it down Resilience= rising from difficulties and Tenacity= moving on despite difficulty

teal orbit
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ok folks back to TST ver.2.0

queen locust
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Something like that according to what google tells me anyway lmao

rapid juniper
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What ya mean

teal orbit
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the prince reopened the ascension beam to restart light creature ascension... some of the elders wanted to go back up to orbit but some thought that neutral creatures accessing a light creature way to heaven would bring devastating side effects... so the elders brought their armies and went to war... then all the TST stuff

after the war ended and the ascension beam was crippled and its emitter was corrupted, the ancestors decided that the elders sucked and they rebelled and imprisoned them in where they r rn.... the prince hid in orbit...

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then the spirits descended into anarchy without no clear leader and infighting lead them to extinction

queen locust
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oop- brb gotta clean stuff up-

rapid juniper
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Whos thier enemy

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Bye hahahaha

teal orbit
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he went into the beam

rapid juniper
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Yes

teal orbit
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ascension beam

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and he locked the spirits out

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not the elders

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@hushed steeple

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the elders were locked away in limbo by the spirit rebellion

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he ran away cuz the spirits tried to lock him up too

rapid juniper
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Y

teal orbit
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elders were just locked away

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at the end, it was spirits vs elders

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and the spirits won

rapid juniper
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Well

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There is a spirit who is a soldier of gw elder

teal orbit
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that dud died in the first war

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not the rebellion

rapid juniper
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So whos the rebellion spirits

teal orbit
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the prince barricaded himself in orbit to stop the spirits from catching him and locking him away

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@hushed steeple

teal orbit
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they had lost friends and family

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he is an elder

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its ok

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its a great theory innit?

sinful anvil
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random thought ||but headcanoning twins as goofs who may have trouble to manage the next season but let’s be serious are they really? i mean, managing the capital city, keep thriving its sports sector, well into a golden age, like maybe the weight is lifted off of their shoulders for a lot of reasons — i admit i have bias into this — but maybe just think about the possibility they are not stupid as we think? they can be stupid in leisure but just because they are nigh teenagers who dislike each other does not mean they cannot see the importance in collaborating each other to manage this realm, it doesnt mean they have 0.0 brain cell and cant math. like maybe just because they act like stupid teenagers doesnt mean they do that 100% of the time? maybe???||

teal orbit
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think artemis and apollo

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u get the idea

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childish but also serious

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capable of runnig cities

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like delphi

hushed steeple
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Wait-

People actually think valley elders are stupid? They just like to have fun. Them being fun and hip doesn't make them lack intelligence.

teal orbit
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they r not stupid...

sinful anvil
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like i saw a fanart about them lying on the floor with papers around to cater to an ask anon. its rly funny but ... when i think about it ... kinda not

teal orbit
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if someone can keep a prolitariat rebellion from happening, that dud is fairly smart

hushed steeple
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I think the issue is that people often associate maturity level with intelligence

teal orbit
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ye

hushed steeple
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Yep

sinful anvil
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oh hhh maybe ... those people are right about them stupid. at math.

rose gorge
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math?

hushed steeple
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I don't think being stupid at math is a thing

sinful anvil
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oh sorry

hushed steeple
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You are either good at math or not lol

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You're fine

teal orbit
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ye

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it sucks

rose gorge
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no such thing as utopia sadly pCry

teal orbit
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at least this season if a poor ppl season

sinful anvil
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financial hub /= capital city most of the time so ... maybe valley does not have a financial thing going on

eden could be?

teal orbit
rose gorge
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actually that’s fair

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rainbow bridge go brrr

teal orbit
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plus its a villiage

sinful anvil
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does that mean ... those ancestor spirits are in the rich

teal orbit
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wealthy ppl didnt do those things

short owl
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I mean yes... But I question how far this goes as a problem. If Valley was set up well, then the poor would have benefited from practical homes, while the rich were out of the way in more expensive to maintain home

sinful anvil
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oh ya sliding race

teal orbit
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sliding race is for the wealthy

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under the clouds is for the poor

sinful anvil
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if the land we walk is also where the prince walked, no wonder he didnt see the slums

teal orbit
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ye

sinful anvil
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lmao classic

teal orbit
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hey duds... it just hit me...

rose gorge
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that has the energy of when ur a five year old kid and you clean ur room by stuffing everything in convenient hidden places instead of actually cleaning it

hushed steeple
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Maybe the next season takes place in the slum areas?

prime cipher
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I think each twin specializes in one of each race in valley
idk, just a thought

hushed steeple
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@prime cipher yeah maybe

teal orbit
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if u get into tgc`s dev team u r basically a god to ppl like us

sinful anvil
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ok from that brief interaction with a dev i had ... i wholeheartedly disagree

rose gorge
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i can see it

teal orbit
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u say its confirmed

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and its real

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hoo boy

sinful anvil
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(when they replied to me damn... scary)

hushed steeple
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Oh lol

rose gorge
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a scary god?

teal orbit
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ye

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exactly

prime cipher
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mhmm

icy spruce
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huh

hushed steeple
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Yeah, game devs are kinda like Gods

icy spruce
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ye

sinful anvil
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like, i think it was something like i said “but you confirmed in the docs” or “you have access to the game” and they were like “no we dont” and i was
[scared refugee]

hushed steeple
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Anyone who created a fictional world is like a god

teal orbit
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ye

icy spruce
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ye

rose gorge
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ye

hushed steeple
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ne

prime cipher
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yep

rose gorge
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darn

teal orbit
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and anyone who plays minecraft creative mode

icy spruce
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ye

prime cipher
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true

icy spruce
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yeah

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true

teal orbit
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ye...

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2/3 of wut we write rn is ye and tru

prime cipher
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well

sinful anvil
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the lore related thing i was thinkingabout is ... does it make sense in sky to have finance and commerce?

rose gorge
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thonk

teal orbit
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yes

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eye moisturizer was ony for the rich

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the poor just had to do it lizard style

rose gorge
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im

sinful anvil
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thank goodness im not crazy then

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yea, no credit cards

teal orbit
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give me moisturizer.
no?
deploy the krill

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lol

prime cipher
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hmmm... what could've been the currency before in Sky though? y'know when all the village people and the elders were still alive and kicking (and we didn't exist yet).
Would it still be wax?

teal orbit
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does no one seriously get the moisturizer?

teal orbit
prime cipher
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ah

sinful anvil
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im not even well versed in sociology and social justice but im puzzled about whether exploitation works differently here. in our world ... we know but in sky did they do better in some way and worse in other ways, than we did? is it a whole different misery

teal orbit
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thats why

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its a real theory

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bricky made it

rose gorge
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lizard people

sinful anvil
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was abt to say u have a point

teal orbit
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again, asgard, thor the whole marvel deal

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sky is basically an op version of marvel`s norse mythology

rose gorge
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who’s thor

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in sky

teal orbit
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idk

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tsadi?

rose gorge
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teth

teal orbit
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alef?

rose gorge
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hammer

teal orbit
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oh

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yes

sinful anvil
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its wild cuz in valley if u want to find the mastermind behind the class divide, they arent some rich capitalist man but ... two innocuous looking teenagers (who totally cant kick and punch u like the gods they are hehahahahah /j)

rose gorge
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the twins are rich capitalists can we get an f

sinful anvil
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equal-opportunity evil in a sense

prime cipher
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anyone thought what the citizens of sky ate? like what was in their diet? it'd be weird thinking they eat mantas, butterflies, whale, etc.

rose gorge
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kreb

prime cipher
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birds are normal to eat so that's something

rose gorge
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also plants maybe

deep geyser
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maybe they eat crabs ;o

rose gorge
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i don’t think anyone really wants to fight the twins that’s a 2v1

prime cipher
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ah right

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mushrooms

deep geyser
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sky currency is candles tho, i don't think they would use actual money

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its a bit up lolol sorry ;;;

prime cipher
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hmmmm I think the twins are competitive with each other most of the time
since they have this sticks thingy, maybe that's one of their games?

deep geyser
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hockey?👀

prime cipher
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idk what you call the sticks but looks like an early version of badminton idk

rose gorge
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they look like lacrosse sticks to me

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maybe they’re just general sporty sticks that are multipurposed

prime cipher
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mhmm

deep geyser
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valley has an ice rink though.. maybe they play in there?

prime cipher
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oh yeahhhh

sinful anvil
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another random thought regarding the twins
||they give me the feeling that if they decide on conviction sentence of someone who committed enough crime to be meet the gods, they might appear playful like talking like old friends but their words show how serious they are. ie their tones are playful when they are actually talking about thousands of ways to torture or kill||

rose gorge
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ngl sounds metal but also scary

prime cipher
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damn that took a dark turn

sinful anvil
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obvs i enjoy the idea that they are terrifyingly good at their jobs

deep geyser
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i think they are and they like their jobs

prime cipher
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i really want to know Sky language/alphabet though
I really want to understand the mysterious writings pWow especially those in vault

rose gorge
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wonder how sky sentencing and jail goes

sinful anvil
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yea
imo they are not phonetic like english/greek/latin?

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oh i dont wanna know

teal orbit
rose gorge
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i like to have hope and think it’s like finland’s prison system

prime cipher
rose gorge
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KSJWJAWJ

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I MEAN

teal orbit
sinful anvil
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what if ancestor spirits really worship gods like “in the name of teth, you will be [executed] with a hammer as strong as hers”

teal orbit
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the one used in concepts

rose gorge
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oh dear

short owl
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Bad and naughty spirits go to the light mines

prime cipher
teal orbit
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wait a sec

prime cipher
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w o a h

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thanks!!

teal orbit
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@prime cipher

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the font

prime cipher
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that's hella cool

teal orbit
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I MADE IT

prime cipher
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thanks!!! pWow

teal orbit
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its the skyskrit font

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the font was made by me

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but yes

icy spruce
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ye

teal orbit
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credit s to them too

icy spruce
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I remember the font

teal orbit
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it was a huge deal

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idk

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thats a true type font file

icy spruce
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ye

teal orbit
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works for windows

icy spruce
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ye

prime cipher
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that's amazing pWow thanks @teal orbit

teal orbit
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hah thx

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srry for the bad kerning

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can someone pin the file?

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ye

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3 i think

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but those r in the font as actual roman letters

prime cipher
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cool pWow

rapid juniper
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Lmao I was late

wispy cedar
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sleepy lore chat

rapid juniper
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Yes

icy spruce
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yes

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Lore chat keeps on getting krilled :((

jaunty eagle
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guys so a friend of mine who just finished the fire trial noticed that the krill in the heiroglyphs is the same colour as the water spirit and came up with this. "what if the water spirit was the crreator of the krill" now there's no previous evidence to this i just wanted to get some thoughts

livid valley
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

grand oracle
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What if the sky kid we play as has Clinical lycanthropy
Clinical lycanthropy is defined as a rare psychiatric syndrome that involves a delusion that the affected person can transform into, has transformed into, or is, an animal
And they can also see and believe they are animals
Ik moths aren't technically animals but they can still be considered them
Plus a man with clinical lycanthropy said he believed he was a cat and he lived with cats and developed a "language" with them being the calls in the sky children's case and what if the spirits made the world for the children with clinical lycanthropy so they would feel like their not a minority but what if the manta krill crabs and whales are just the people running the islands but bc we the sky kids see them as animals they go under that guise

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But that's just a theory

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A GAME THEORY

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And the krills being the people trying to get the kids out of the place

deft lintel
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Huh...
It being a little away from the story
The skykid we are is not the only one
We can see it in some wall or memories of some spirit like the "come here" spirit
They find a skykid who just falling at the middle of the Isle of Dawn

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Not sure the skykid have that syndrome

grand oracle
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That's it being put into the island idk its nine at night and I'm bored

short owl
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So I relived Cry, and the sparkle thing very much did not stay within the spirit model

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This said, there were no duplicate sparkles.
I intend to relive a prophecy spirit next

pastel brookBOT
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The prophecy once foretold of skykids that never rest. They never saw the darkness that swiftly engulfed them. Don’t forget to charge your phones pKrillBEAN

icy spruce
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huh

rapid juniper
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Lol

short owl
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If there is only one sparklething, then the sparklething can he said to be connected to a single spirit/memory, which leaves the possibility that a spirit must actually be there for the orb to show, while projections of ancestors from the memories do not naturally generate orbs

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But that be another day

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Night guys!

open bridge
icy spruce
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I mean, you're not wrong-

open bridge
junior robin
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It's a sacrifice to megabird

lost widget
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Wait, do you guys think that krill have a life cycle like mantas?

junior robin
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I don't think so do they?

grand oracle
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O H S H O O T

lost widget
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Like, we only see one type of krill

junior robin
lost widget
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We see multiple types of mantas

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Supposedly in different stages of life

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Yeah

open bridge
lost widget
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I wonder why we don't see baby krill

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Or if krill look completely different as children

copper copper
junior robin
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Maybe krills were once very peaceful and something- caused them to be this way?

lost widget
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Someone brought up the theory that crabs might be baby krill, but I don't really think so

junior robin
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KRILLS ARE WAR MACHINES

copper copper
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Maybe they weren’t

lost widget
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Yeah, I had a theory that krill were originally light creatures that got corrupted like the crabs

copper copper
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But GW chemicals made them

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In dark

lost widget
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All corrupted crabs have dark dust that flake off of them. The crabs that aren't corrupted don't have the dust.

livid valley
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children...?

lost widget
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Krills also have this dust

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So supposedly krill could have been corrupted light creatures

copper copper
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Basically they were products of pollution

lost widget
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But that does bring up the question of why there wouldn't be any natural dark creatures

lost widget
copper copper
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Good question

normal berry
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I must have spookier dark creatures

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the spook is not spooky enough

short owl
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My bet is most dark creatures may be nocturnal

copper copper
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Well worms are naturally dark

lost widget
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We discussed this a few days ago

junior robin
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If they were products of pollution were they different/peaceful creatures before?

normal berry
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if anything wormy bois are the purest dark creature

short owl
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If dark creatures prefer darkness to light, avoiding the day would be beneficial

normal berry
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I mean pure as in pure darkness

short owl
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Though this doesn't really work if Eden is the sun, does it...

lost widget
short owl
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Unless maybe our task of returning stars to the sky (only happens at night) is a cover for fueling the sun (eden) to keep stars away?

copper copper
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Since vault is depicted as night, maybe the dark creatures are outside the vault

junior robin
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I think the orbit- is different from the Eden storm we go through pEyes

lost widget
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This is what was talked about a few days ago

lost widget
junior robin
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Krills are not at the orbit journey

lost widget
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But whales are

copper copper
lost widget
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So whales are light creatures?

normal berry
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neither do crabs

copper copper
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In GW and Eden

copper copper
junior robin
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What really-

normal berry
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hang on,

junior robin
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Ohhh right

lost widget
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When do they hurt us?

copper copper
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When we touch em

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Like in orbit

normal berry
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here, jay explains it the best

copper copper
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Maybe it is removed now

normal berry
junior robin
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There are whales in forest, GW and orbit-

lost widget
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Wait but in orbit you're dead

void forge
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I’ve touched the whale in orbit and it didn’t hurt me

copper copper
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The orbit one you can touch

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Oooh

lost widget
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But that doesn't take any energy, right?

copper copper
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It’s inertia is so great it can’t stop itself

copper copper
lost widget
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Like, you just bump into it

junior robin
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Wait but in orbit you're dead

Yes..... Wait doesn't that mean the CREATURES we see ascending with us are dead too???pEyes pPogKid

copper copper
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Like when you fly fast and struck something, but I think this feature is removed

lost widget
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Wait maybe it was just because we used to get hurt by bumping into things

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Yeah, it got removed

copper copper
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Ooookkk

normal berry
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like jay said, anything hitting you at that speed will harm you, kinda like how we get hurt flying too fast into the wall

copper copper
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So whales are good

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Love whales

lost widget
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Or whatever they're called

normal berry
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whales good

junior robin
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Those Mantas are only in vault-

lost widget
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Yeah, so they're good

copper copper
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Yesss

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Gimme lore

junior robin
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Feed me lore

normal berry
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if vault is a hologram/dream then those mantas aren't actually existing, but holograms or dreams themselves

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and if they don't exist they cant ascend to orbit of course

junior robin
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Some said the vault mantas are spirits-

normal berry
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also a theory

lost widget
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I honestly don't think that vault is a hologram, but that's a good point

junior robin
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Yeah- basically ded mantas

copper copper
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Yes spirit mantas are dead

normal berry
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I mean it is plausible since vault seems to hold a bunch of holograms

copper copper
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That’s why they arise from bones of manta on 4th floor

lost widget
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Yeah we see the manta that got krilled in wasteland

normal berry
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but yeah a popular theory is that vault is some sort of illusion

copper copper
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And they are referred as memories

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Spirit mantas are the memories and souls of the dead mantas

junior robin
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Whoa

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So many ded mantas-

lost widget
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But vault is described as being "dream like", not actually a dream

copper copper
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Well that’s krills for ya

normal berry
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but then why don't we see other spirits of light creatures? surely they must have souls and memories too

lost widget
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Also we meet spirits in there

copper copper
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But they ain’t dead

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Maybe

normal berry
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we meet spirits everywhere SkyLOL

copper copper
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Or maybe we can’t call them

lost widget
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True

junior robin
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pCry sadt

copper copper
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We can only call spirit mantas by memory whisperer call

junior robin
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Yeahhhhh

copper copper
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So if we had a dead whale whisperer call we can call upon whales from their bones

normal berry
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aaaand, if other light creatures can die then they should have spirits too

copper copper
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Cuz we don’t have the right call to call the,

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Like there is a dead manta call

lost widget
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Maybe their spirits are somewhere else? I honestly don't know

copper copper
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But there ain’t a dead whale call

junior robin
#

Yeah-

copper copper
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Maybe the ancestor spirits of sky tried but they couldn’t call the dead manta

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Anyway GTG

normal berry
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but do we not see spirit mantas before we get the call?

copper copper
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Good day

lost widget
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Wait, remember the dismayed hunter spirit memory in hidden forest?

normal berry
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I mean they are found in the same level

lost widget
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I think that she might have shot the whale that we see the bones of

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Like

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After she shot, she facepalmed

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And the whale crashed and died not too far away

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Whoa

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I like that theory

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Good job mate!

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Anyways, I have to go

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See you guys around!

copper copper
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So then maybe the bones are like a storage space
And the spirit manta call was like a download password

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And maybe they downloaded the creatures in the memory cubes when Eden exploded because they though that the creatures will die, so to prevent extinction they uploaded the creatures in the cubes

queen locust
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Vault Elder's password 'lamedissuperior'

copper copper
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And memory whisperer is the keeper of passwords

queen locust
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Memory whisperer can double as a tour guide lmao

copper copper
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How?

queen locust
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Imagine them just welcoming someone totally new and they sic a manta on them like 'okay Jeremy you go carry this one'

copper copper
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Oooh

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Right

teal orbit
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first, USS.Discovery doing science stuff in Klingon territory is staring at u in shock

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second, all sky creatures r born naturally into the world

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tho i totally subscribe to it being a library/lab

bitter shale
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Hmm

Aight so the lantern use diamond on it. And we do know diamond was made by squishing manta

So yea maybe the leakage fo the lantern is what made memory manta come to be

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It also hinted by the manta skeleton which pop out a memory manta after we use manta call on it

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Seems like one cause of unnatural death is... manta squisher?

And yea no one would gladly get squished to death and call it natural death-

fallen portal
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gravity is natural

queen locust
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Gravity is natural yeah but squishing it intentionally wouldn't be considered a natural death for mantas

fallen portal
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oH I DIDNT READ THE " gladly squished to death "

queen locust
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assuming that so far the only thing that really counts for natural death is old age and not dying maliciously at the hands of other people

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If it was an ACCIDENT free of conscious intervention, then that'd probably count as natural

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Say some manta got caught in a landslide

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But getting PURPOSEFULLY squished to death- definitely unnatural

livid valley
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"gladly" pEyes

queen locust
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lore chat pretty ded-

lost spire
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Someone krilled it

willow sparrow
#

why do moffs start with a brown cape? Why brown of all the colours?

potent briar
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maybe to fit the aesthetic of isle XD idrk

lost spire
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Lol true

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They can start with any colors ever but chose brown of all it

potent briar
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i wonder if the moth style will ever change in the future.. 👀

queen locust
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<Brown in color psychology is a color of sincerity, reliability, honesty and loyalty, it relates to maturity and being sensible. It’s a combination of a few different colors, including, orange, yellow, red, green, blue and purple depending on the shade. Its characteristics are made up of all these different colors.>

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-is what I got from a google search-

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To which- it'd be weird if it stood for maturity and sensibility considering we were technically just born

potent briar
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it is a pretty nature-y and light hearted color,, i like it!

queen locust
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Speaking of nature it normally has strong connections to earth

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which is ironic considering the brown thing is the thing that makes us fly

lost spire
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Imagine if we start with pink hahah

livid valley
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Where's the annoying part

pseudo heart
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Lmao sensibility— bonks into a wall

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hjonks like there's no tomorrow

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befriends everyone

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wl fireworks in GW and Eden

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Yes the embodiment of sensibility

stark oracle
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Hey guys I have a question, sorry to kinda just barge in here

pseudo heart
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Nope nope,, all is welcome

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Lore chat kinda sleeping too,, so fire away

stark oracle
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I saw a post saying that all the elders are siblings??? And it was confirmed???

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If that's true i have to rework so many theories

potent briar
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q u e

pseudo heart
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No???? We don't know the elders' actual connection to each other

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But iirc Vault and forest elders are related?

potent briar
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i deffo think the twins would be siblings or close friends at least. they show that kind of connection

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and ofc we cant forget mama forest and papa vault stickerHeart

stark oracle
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Yeah !! I saw the ones with the vault and forest elders, and the twins. I mean, they're known as the twins lol

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But ok!! I just wanted to ask lollll I was very much confused

potent briar
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ppl who ship the twins are odd imo. o.O

pseudo heart
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Yall ship wh—

stark oracle
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Theyre legit homies i just

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Oki listen-

potent briar
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kdffjkfdsgbf.hbgr

stark oracle
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At one point in time that was an actual convo we had here, many points were made ok

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Lots of dots were connected

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We don't speak of it now but it happened

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đŸ˜Šâ€

potent briar
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oh g o d

stark oracle
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It was a chaotic convo

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Like c h a o t i c

potent briar
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like i get shipping your sky oc's with alef and daleth's hair,,, but wh-???

pseudo heart
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covers my skykid's ears we won't be shipping you with anyone sweetie don't worry—

queen locust
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spoiler alert Alef and Daleth don't really refer to the Twins here lmao

solar relic
pseudo heart
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Oh they were referring to the twins?

queen locust
#

instead you'd be referring to the Prince and the Isle Elder respectively, concept-wise

solar relic
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it is confirmed that the valley elders are twins/siblings though

queen locust
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and that's objectively worse imagine shipping a kid with an old man

stark oracle
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😗

pseudo heart
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THAT'S WHY I GOT CONFUSED 😭😭

stark oracle
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WAIT U THOUGHT I MEANT THAT

potent briar
queen locust
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Really the only ones with an actual clear relationship are the Twins

queen locust
potent briar
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ohhh

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ty for letting me know! i had no idea :o

queen locust
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I have absolutely no clue how Alef and Daleth became the widespread hc names for the Twins

pseudo heart
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Samekh are the elder twins' name—

solar relic
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in some communities for some reason they call the twins alef and daleth but that is probably from the older concept art where they were actually alef and daleth

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it was reaaaalllyyyy old concept art

pseudo heart
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What—

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WHAT???????

stark oracle
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I think I have that concept art actually

pseudo heart
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PLEASE SHARE

queen locust
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Want the Elder names? You’re in luck! The letters in brackets are Hebrew letters, which the Elders are named after:
Isle: Daleth (Ś“)
Prairie: Ayin (Śą)
Forest: Teth (ژ)
Valley: Samekh (ŚĄ)
Wasteland: Tsadi (ŚŠ)
Vault: Lamed (ڜ)
Prince: Alef (ڐ)
King: Resh (Śš)
PLEASE NOTE: These names have appeared in concept art and are often used when referring to the elders. They are no longer canon, they are fanon.
<credits to Bricky>

stark oracle
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Didn't they also make a doc for their names and stuff, as like an intro

potent briar
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my friend scrolls through sky pinterest a lot, i think that's where he found the names

queen locust
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Here are the old concept names btw

stark oracle
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Ye that thingie and yea!! If I can find it lolll

queen locust
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Note- OLD CONCEPT names

stark oracle
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Ohhhh

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Well lemme try and find concept art

queen locust
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have ya'll by any chance never read the lore moff doc-

pseudo heart
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Lmao if they were siblings then I can def see why the parental figures would name them after ABCs—

pseudo heart
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stark oracle
queen locust
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AYYYY THERE IT IS

potent briar
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YOOO

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that's dope

stark oracle
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I have more

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I was looking through the info docket for one of their main artists, and all his art was there

pseudo heart
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Ah, Tom Zhao's?

stark oracle
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Every concept he thought off, every scenery its freaking awesome

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Yesss

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I didnt even think to look at their profiles

solar relic
pseudo heart
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I stare at that page for a whole hour

queen locust
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A note about the Elder names though- they're not canon anymore so we minimize the use of their names

stark oracle
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YES

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So beautiful with a dash of creepiness

solar relic
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that was really early in development

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the concept names we have now came much later

pseudo heart
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And then ...nothing

queen locust
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man looking at the one labeled Samekh it's so weird looking at them as one entity instead of two embodiments of chaos

stark oracle
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They remind me of this creepy character from pans labyrinth, lived so long and had so many names. Their bodies morphing with the Earth they walked on, I wonder how the citizens talked about the elders. Since it seems like the elders lived in a completely separate reality than the citizens who worshipped them

pseudo heart
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I just imagined old concept samekh doing the flips and tricks the valley elders do in the cutscene and I do not like it—

potent briar
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the mini ones in the first pic remind me of LoZ, breath of the wild hehe

queen locust
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The Prophecy murals kind of suggest that they've had several interactions with them- Ancestor to Elder

stark oracle
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LoZ??

queen locust
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As they're building up the Kingdom with the Elements at least

potent briar
pseudo heart
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Elders are like.. their gods and rulers somewhat

stark oracle
#

Oh!

queen locust
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i mean yeah if I'd seen this mostly giant being fall from the heavens I'd probably worship them too

stark oracle
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I think more like God's, telling from the murals they taught the citizens some things. Especially what we see from Cave mural. But it looks like the citizens ruled themselves??? In a way???

queen locust
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Prior to the Elders maybe the Ancestors had some form of idyllic society

stark oracle
#

Wait but that wouldn't make sense tho, cuz how would they know their own tasks. Cuz in waving emote memories, you see a spirit on a boat taking what looks to be shipments up to the temples

pseudo heart
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Because the ancestors and elders do interact, u can see in the all elder cutscene that they once did live in the same plane as each other

teal orbit
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Guys guys guys i think..... i have made my masterpiece theory.... this may change our perspective on sky's creatures or it may just be one of my weird theories u have to talk me outta...
Wanna hear????????

queen locust
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And suddenly Prophecy and it's like 'dang- alien beings0'

potent briar
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y e s

teal orbit
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Okokok here we go

stark oracle
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Let's gooooo

queen locust
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Heck shoot- don't le our musing stop ya from typing it out

potent briar
#

also whatre ur guys thoughts on the new season teaser?

stark oracle
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I'm so excited

livid valley
#

Here.

potent briar
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ohh ty

stark oracle
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Meowphecy hello 👋â˜ș

pseudo heart
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Ooh I have to take a bath,, ping me after pyro shares their theory pls SkyBow

stark oracle
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Same !!

teal orbit
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We have met a lot of problems with our current view on sky creatures... like why some mantas r translucent and why some crabs are not corrupted... this will all explain it...
Listen up ppl ..

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So, here me out, wut if...
All animals in sky are neutral

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Now rlly hear me out

queen locust
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I mean- we'll listen regardless but like just go on

teal orbit
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Im not contradicting canon here

livid valley
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I can't hear from the screen 😔

stark oracle
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@queen locust shhh lolll

teal orbit
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But im saying that light and dark may be as only sxientific as the classification of edible or non edible animals...

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My theory says there r 2 types of parasites or cells, if u will

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Tbe sparks and the dust

livid valley
#

What about the neutral

teal orbit
#

Wait wait

livid valley
#

đŸ‘ïž

queen locust
#

heck what about the edible vs non-edible distinction- we don't eat mantas nor do we eat krill

teal orbit
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Many neutral creatures have the ability to do symbiosis with either the sparks or the dust...

queen locust
#

so it's not really dependent on whether or not they're light or dark creatures

teal orbit
#

Neutral creature that r capable of harboring sparks inside their bodies r light creatures

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Neutral creatures that can harbor dust r dark

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Like u can see this in game

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Mantas, jellies and other light creatures have sparkly things comming outta them when we come near

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Except for the butterflies and spirit mantas, made by ayin and lamed respectively and not by megan

livid valley
#

Doesn't make it there's no more neutral

teal orbit
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Dark creatures harbor the dust

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Which need light to survive

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Some neutral creatures didnt to this like sanc crabs

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And they remain subspecies

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Cuz they never came into contact with the dust and they werent compatible t
With the sparks

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Other creatures weren't compatible at all

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And those r neutral or extinct

stark oracle
#

Would the birds be considered neutral?

queen locust
#

may I interject with a few pieces of canon lore

livid valley
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Nah

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Birds actually give energy to light

queen locust
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“The world of Sky has a rich ecology of light and dark”
-Launch Livestream

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like this one

teal orbit
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We dont see a lot of significant neutrals cuz as bricky said, the eden explosion made it so that only polarized animals survived mostly

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Ok im done

queen locust
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“Dark creatures and dark plants will try to take light from you”

teal orbit
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Commence with the bombing run phase

queen locust
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and that one

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'rich ecology of light and dark' and the dark creatures being referred to as... well, 'dark creatures' just kind of drive a wedge into your theory

stark oracle
#

I'm a little confused with the neutral aspects

queen locust
#

Not that the theory isn't intriguing tho Pyre

stark oracle
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Wait @teal orbit are you kind of saying that all the creatures are neutral. But what makes them different is what they emit? Like you said, with the mantas and jellies they emit sparkles. While crabs and krill emit the dust. Is that what you mean??

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Yea its actually intriguing tbh cuz I never thought of all the creatures as neutral

livid valley
#

If that so doesn't It make neutral creatures non existence

queen locust
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I never thought of it that way specifically because it's canon lore that they aren't all neutral

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Specifically referred to as dark creatures, etc.

stark oracle
#

@livid valley wdym

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Yeah, but still this is a very interesting thought

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Also sorry my 4am mind is not the most reliable

queen locust
#

please tell me you just woke up

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and not like- stayed UP until 4-

stark oracle
#

I have a covid test at 5, my mom said either I go to bed or I stay up and sleep all day

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I chose to stay up đŸ€·â€â™€ïž

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Anywho i like this theory @teal orbit

queen locust
#

time to add this to the list of reasons for my sleep deprivation thesis

stark oracle
#

?? Ok

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Wait u have a sleep deprivation thesis

queen locust
#

Unfortunately yes

stark oracle
#

Oooo spicy ✹

queen locust
#

Anywho- I can see why Pyre thought they were all still neutral creatures though

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There was another piece of canon lore that suggests that all creatures are spontaneously generated

stark oracle
#

I always wondered where they came from

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I also wanted an explanation for these giant eggs

queen locust
#

<“Where do the creatures come from in Sky?” “The creatures in Sky are connected to the light and born from the light (...) that’s their origin and where they come from (...) so you’ll actually see creatures emerging from the clouds and manifesting as the light sort of comes together. You can also think of it as almost like atoms or molecules, like as the light comes together new life is being born”>
-Launch Livestream

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Oh those are actual Easter Eggs

livid valley
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Easter eggs

stark oracle
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😗

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They look like they bout to be set on fire tho

queen locust
#

i did see this one comic that portrayed them as krill eggs and while I can't take comics for actual lore those are some pretty bright freaking eggs

stark oracle
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👁👄👁

queen locust
#

for a giant dark thing

stark oracle
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Krill egg

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Krill that lay egg

queen locust
#

I'm gonna assume that above quote kind of referred to the whales? Not sure, because I've seen it be referred to as a neutral creature more than once in this chat

stark oracle
#

Ok im gonna go ✹process✹ that theory cuz. All krill are in gw and eden. So how-

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Yeah

livid valley
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What if krills don't lay eggs

stark oracle
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Is it like a snake situation

queen locust
#

I was gonna assume that they follow that same spontaneous generation thing? not sure- krill are confusing-

livid valley
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And only birth one child which makes a little sense why they are quite only a few of em

queen locust
#

There's also the fact that they likely weren't ALWAYS there

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They had to have either been generated in those places or they've migrated as a sort of invasive species on Wasteland and Eden

potent briar
#

idk if this has been talked abt yet- but what about the w h a l e

stark oracle
#

Which whale

potent briar
#

uhhh

stark oracle
#

Big one in vault or big one in sanc

potent briar
#

ohh

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it was like orbit or something

queen locust
#

The one in Sanc isn't a whale at all actually- it's an Elder Manta

stark oracle
#

I kinda just... call them both whales 👁👄👁

potent briar
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ive seen that huge whale in the underground of forest, orbit, and gw

stark oracle
#

Even tho their anatomy do be different

queen locust
#

The whales are like the ones we encounter in Ascension, the one in Underground Cavern, or the one that we spot in the space between Valley and GW

stark oracle
#

The worm ??

queen locust
queen locust
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Sanc 'whale'= Elder Manta

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'Worm'= Whale

stark oracle
#

@queen locust ye I know they're not the same

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Ohhhh

teal orbit
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Ok im bacc

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Imma clear up the vague parts of my theory

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First, im not saying light and dark creatures dont exist

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Im just saying that is a very crude classification method

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Like saying flyin things and ground things

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Rather than birds and large mamals

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If u get wut i mean

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Second, nobody is emitting nothing

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Thousands of small sparks or dust live in one organism

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Sometimes there r too much and they jump to another organism

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Like a sneeze

livid valley
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Virus

teal orbit
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In light creatures, we call it a call

livid valley
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:0 I sneezed so hard

teal orbit
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In darkness creatures we call it dust falling off

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Third, there r many types of sparks

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The small ones r wut make light creatures light

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We cand see sound

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Yet we do

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In calls

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Sound doesn't charge u, light does

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But we get charged by calls

livid valley
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The light is in call yes

teal orbit
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So it must be sparks being sneezed

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Even birds have these small basic sparks

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Mantas and jellies and fungi r compatible with wut i call a stasis spark too

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These sparks keep spark-recipients locked in a weak stasis while they transmit light

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Birds dont have these

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Thats why we can't "ride" them

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Butterflies r more like light-robots they r 100%fire and made by the isle elder as we see in thr cutscene

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They r not alive

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Spirit mantas r prob just one of the hallucinations in vault

livid valley
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I don't even have a mind how do I get it

teal orbit
#

Ok any more questions?

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Imma ping the others to know their questions have been answered

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@stark oracle @queen locust

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I explained everything u asked lol

hushed steeple
#

is it actually illegal if you never got a cape in Sky?

livid valley
teal orbit
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The duds arent answering ..

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Oh there we go

livid valley
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You dont need them to answer necessarily..

stark oracle
#

@teal orbit thank you! It actually makes sense now, and u highkey just made it more interesting

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Don't call me a dud3:

teal orbit
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Yesyesyes thx

stark oracle
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Youre welcome đŸ„°

teal orbit
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Dud is gender neutral i think...

stark oracle
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I cant wait to see u expand on it more tbh

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I'm not that sure lol

livid valley
#

Dude can be in diffrent ways how people think of it

teal orbit
#

Some other stuff:

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Skids can host both soarks and dust

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But sparks r a bit more compatible

livid valley
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Cuz were literally a hollow in the Inside (based on what I believe)

stark oracle
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Yeah

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Hmmm

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This Kreb was still doing the dust thing, so what do you think? In terms of ur theory @teal orbit

livid valley
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I think there are some very specific ones that have crabs that don't attack

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I never observe em tho

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Do they emit any dust

stark oracle
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I'm not that sure, but I can definitely take a look around when I investigate later

tawny tundra
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I think their cell structure are constantly fighting light ... Coz they are dark creatures ... Thats y the dust

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Combining bio and fantasy

gilded fossil
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/or maybe they just shed

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/like fur

livid valley
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Make sense

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The ones that might not give much to the creature will be shed

tawny tundra
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In wasteland it could be justified as there is always dark dust from the clouds and the dark Atmosphere roaming around

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But other places ... Idk ...

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Maybe residue of the dark plants?

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Remember everywhere crabs are ... There are dark plants

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And when plant get burn and explode ... They let out little dark particles

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Makes sense?

teal orbit
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@stark oracle @livid valley @tawny tundra @gilded fossil

#

Hi yall

tawny tundra
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Hi

teal orbit
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Im bacc

#

Welcome to another session of pyre-theory clarification, expansion and QnA

gilded fossil
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/hi pyre lmao

teal orbit
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First, all dark creatures shed dust

gilded fossil
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/1 hour late ping and i was about to sign off

teal orbit
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And peaceful sanc crabs dont

gilded fossil
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/any ways, do continue

teal orbit
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Peaceful sanc crabs dont shed dust and arent aggressive

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All other crabs and krill do

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This suggests the darkness dust is more like a parasite than a symbiote

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Like a leach

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They make creatutes more irritable

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And the creatures try to get it out

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But these microscopic organisms r like mitochondria

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They are passed on

livid valley
#

Do you have pic of the sanc peace crab

teal orbit
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Cuz babies have sparks/dust too

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And no meowphecy
But i checked an i know

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No dust

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@tawny tundra, u see.. if dust were in the wasteland atmosphere wasteland would be like forest so no...

livid valley
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Make sense

teal orbit
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But i do believe the dark creatures r pushing the dust out with their immune systems

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How would these survive natural selection u ask?

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By eating the other kinder duds

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I think thats all the questions for dust...

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There is some other stuff i would like to add to sparks

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There r 2 types of stasis sparks

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The pink and the yellow

tawny tundra
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Mitochondria don't pass on

teal orbit
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Pink sparks primarily live in mantas or other white light creatures

tawny tundra
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They live inside cells

teal orbit
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Oop srry @tawny tundra

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But u get the point....

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Babies have it too

tawny tundra
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I think it's just plant residue

teal orbit
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Wut is?

tawny tundra
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Crab have shell how do they shed

tawny tundra
teal orbit
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No no crabs arent rlly crabs

tawny tundra
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They hit us hard ... Skinned animals cant do that for that long

teal orbit
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In canon they LOOK like crabs they arent a species of earth crab...

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The enchantment krill flies far away from plants

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But still pushes out dust

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@tawny tundra, im thinking the crabs jointseak the dust....

tawny tundra
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Krill emerge from dark waters

teal orbit
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*joints leak

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No no enchantment krill

tawny tundra
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We dont know how he ended up there

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Before ark ... There is a lott of dark water

hushed steeple
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imma just watch this

tawny tundra
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The ark fell by that krill ... Or some fight involving the krill

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The krill has dust left from the fight

teal orbit
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Ark before restoration has very little water there and pre restoration ark water level was the same long ago

tawny tundra
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The atmos helps the dust stay for long and not decompose ... Like salt never expires in sea

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Also its just clouds and uplifting wind ... High chance dust just lifts up again and sits on krill

teal orbit
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And first, ships cant harbor dust cut they aren't alive and second, we shen dust in eden after all the light is gone and there r no plants nearby third, if dust were in the atmos, it would be like firest all over again except without graphics

tawny tundra
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Bruh i cant understand

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Pls type calmly

teal orbit
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I... am calm... its just my phone buttons r s.all and the bus is shaking

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Small

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Not s.all

tawny tundra
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Ok so ... Dust dont stick in light creatures ... We are light creatures so we constantly resist the dust ... Once we lose light in eden we lose ability to resist dust on us ... So dust accumulates and result of gravity excess dust falls

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If u cant understand ... I'm making realistic approach

meager canyon
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Dust?pEyes

teal orbit
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Ok if dust was in the air, we would lose light like in forest, and second, in eden, we start to get dust even tho there arent any plants near by

meager canyon
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Bruh wha

teal orbit
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There r no plants in the last part of eden so the dust sure isnt plant residue

tawny tundra
teal orbit
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Yes...

meager canyon
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I've been away from here due to lack of braincells but this is interesting what's dust pEyes pEyes pEyes pEyes pEyes

tawny tundra
tawny tundra
teal orbit
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The water is just polluted... it isnt plant residue... dud

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Scroll up @meager canyon

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A LOT

lone wigeon
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I am not sure, I kinda consider this to be a bit related to lore, its probably not tho but I wanted to share this and since best peeps are here, I guess its alright

So, guys, my dear Sky mom has a point
We Have to save the feeshes! Free them, set to the sea!
abzu dood would be happy

gusty cradle
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Yeah. I'm pretty sure it's just the crystals influence

teal orbit
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Wait wait after this one plz

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@lone wigeon

teal orbit
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2 topics make my head ache

gusty cradle
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You know that big ol red crystal in eden?

tawny tundra
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U mean ... ||Battery diamonds|| ??

teal orbit
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Lets finish pyre theory first

meager canyon
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Battery diamonds?

tawny tundra
gusty cradle
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I just call it the red crystal

meager canyon
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Also@tawny tundra , no need spoilers here

teal orbit
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Ye the big diamond isnt a plant so dust isnt plant residue...

tawny tundra
meager canyon
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Huh

tawny tundra
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Its a beta joke

meager canyon
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Oh

gusty cradle
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But yeah I think it's mostly just those things rubbing off the krill

vocal ore
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So I just realized that Prairie elder has been shipping butterfly pots, i think

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What’s the purpose of that?

teal orbit
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Ok now back to the sparks

tawny tundra
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Yes

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Dust

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Yo pyre

teal orbit
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Nono dust questions have been answered

tawny tundra
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Whats closest canon to dust

teal orbit
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Sparks plz

vocal ore
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Soz, speedruning cr got into my head, only cr and no lore

tawny tundra
teal orbit
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The light creature symbiotes...

tawny tundra
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Wot

teal orbit
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Plz read from there

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And come back

tawny tundra
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Ok read it

teal orbit
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There r 2 stasis sparks

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Pink and yellow

tawny tundra
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Sky creatures are first of all real life "SEA" CREATURES 😂

gusty cradle
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I mean it been shown crabs are edible

meager canyon
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Yeah

tawny tundra
teal orbit
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Pink is for mantas and yellow is for mushrooms and jellies

gusty cradle
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Theres a cooking area somewhere in wastes

meager canyon
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All of em are sea creatures other than butterflies and birds

teal orbit
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Wut r u guys talking abt?

tawny tundra
gusty cradle
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Yes

teal orbit
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Guys...

tawny tundra
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Pyre i didnt get u

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At all

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In pink and yellow

teal orbit
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U know wut stasis sparks r right?

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There r 2 types

tawny tundra
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No

meager canyon
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No

tawny tundra
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Is it real life science?

gusty cradle
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Pretty sure the transparent animals are spirits

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It's in the name to

teal orbit
tawny tundra
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Only spirt manta are transparent ... And canon says "VAULT IS MEANT TO BE A DREAM LIKE REALM"

teal orbit
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No nono

tawny tundra
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So no laws apply on vault

teal orbit
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Jellies and mushrooms

gusty cradle
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But in sanctuary we see spirit jellys

teal orbit
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Pls... read.... from ... the..... top...

meager canyon
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Old theory that might get u thinking: spirit mantas are man made

tawny tundra
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Real life jellyfish are transparent

teal orbit
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I explain it up there@meager canyon

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Pls read from up there

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Pls...

tawny tundra
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Mushrooms are in question

teal orbit
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I explained it all like 5 times up there

meager canyon
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Its a old theory @teal orbit I don't believe it anymore just something getting ya thinking

teal orbit
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Up there plz gab

meager canyon
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I read it dud

teal orbit
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Not just the paragraph

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The whole thing

meager canyon
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Bruh

teal orbit
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From up there to doemwn here

tawny tundra
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I just went and read it

teal orbit
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So u know wut stasis sparks r now?

tawny tundra
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Yes

teal orbit
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Thank megan

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So

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There r 2 types

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Yellow and pink

tawny tundra
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Give me a one liner

teal orbit
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Yellow usually live in the transparent animals like mushrooms and jellies

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Pink us for opaqye ones like mantas

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I need to make this a doc dont i...

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Imma call it the pyre theory of life

hushed steeple
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yes pls

teal orbit
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It could take a day prob

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Or it could be finished in abt an hour

hushed steeple
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i have hard time understanding lmao my english is so bad

teal orbit
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Lets hope its the latter

tawny tundra
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Dont stress urself