lore-discussion-spoilers

[hushed steeple]

Like when eve ate the apple adam fell

The prophets warned them about the prophecy

[pastel brook]

hey @hushed steeple do you know anything about this prophecy everyone keeps taking about?

[hushed steeple]

...

This is just a theory me and wolf made so

[sly kestrel]

I have a feeling
One of the mods is jus messing with us at the moment

[short owl]

What if Eden was gated the way it was because it was an attempt to limit the affects of what the elders needed to do to survive? Kind of like setting up a terradome to farm plants in

[bitter shale]

I believe the prophecy is about a second coming

[hushed steeple]

But it adds up doesn't it?

[kindred oar]

Does that mean the air trial hinted that the elders betrayed them or something like that? They were blinded by the power from the trial?

[bitter shale]

The second coming of the child of light

[kindred oar]

The first child of light is the king then?

[pastel brook]

How many bots would a skybot bot if a skybot could bot bots?

[kindred oar]

Or prince

[bitter shale]

@kindred oar who knows. One thing for sure there was a CoL before skid

I believe skid is the 2nd CoL

[hushed steeple]

I have a question why the sky is beautiful here?

[urban ginkgo]

Oh I thought the narrator in the intro was Megan, since it says "I call to you now. Bring our lost stars home."

[hushed steeple]

Is it purposely like that?

[bitter shale]

@hushed steeple i believe that is season of Rhythm leftover

[hushed steeple]

Ahh

Good picture btw.

The part when they take off with the manta?

Also thanks

I'm such a screenshot connoisseur

[kindred oar]

I also think the prophecy is about CoL but I'm still not sure if it's about us or the very first CoL

[hushed steeple]

I’ve always wondered who the narrator was.

Also are the buildings actually real? is sky even real? is everything just a simulation that Megan made

[bitter shale]

@kindred oar the mural might depict about the first CoL

[hushed steeple]

I believe we’re constantly living a dream where we never wake up in Sky.

What year is sky

No like-

What year is sky

[bitter shale]

Look, its clearly showed in the credit that Sky world is inside a candle flame...

[heady shoal]

I was doing eden on sunday and imagined a whole new theory on the universe of Sky...

[bitter shale]

Tell us sofi

[hushed steeple]

Are they new

[heady shoal]

ok , I will... give me a sec

[hushed steeple]

Ok but me in the picture tho

I wonder how i did that pose

[kindred oar]

Yeah flos, I think it's either the very first CoL or us. But the air mural got me thinking like, what are the elders doing with the trial lights, bcs they don't really show up before air mural?

[bitter shale]

Indeed... i was curious as well

Maybe they use the elements to enhance their realms?

Valley is quite good example since we can actually see how wind are important for the race

For forest tho... idk much

[hushed steeple]

Water?

[bitter shale]

Yeah but

[heady shoal]

in the sky universe, we children of light are miners
there is this shiny substance that we take from this planet and take to orbit...
probably a space station for late processing of the substance...
the whole planet looks blue from orbit exept for the white dot which is eden and the clouds that surround the area
that is the extraction facilities... the mine or you know...
the shiny substance is shaped like childs incidentially...
this is so we go and get it... or it can be the process that makes it compatible with our store chambers in our bodies make's it with child shape because of how this tech work... or it is part of the user interface on the augmented reality vision we have... or idk...
but I think is something from the ground... nanobots go and extract it and then morph it into this shape and state...
and these nanobots also put it in certain places... maybe those special places have some receptors??...
curious that you can only hold the production of a place one at a time... i don't know about this part
and when you go to eden the storm is grinding your body, make it ready to prepare you to the extraction of the substance from your body
you are golden after the storm because of the high temperatures from all the grind on the eden machine
and in orbit you cool down and u don't have a cape because it is the container of the shiny substance... that is what they take in the star ship...
if you think about it, when you get the shiny thing... the cape holder augments...
and then they give you new recipient to go get more minerals
or maybe... the cape burns because of high temperature...

so ... anyway... we are miners of a substance from an alien stelar civilization

[bitter shale]

Just look how wrecked forest water is

@heady shoal you know we can actually went to space station in game right?

Nice theory ngl

[heady shoal]

thank you!... what does "ngl" means?...

[hushed steeple]

Not gonna lie.

[heady shoal]

ok ok... thank you! hahaha...

[hushed steeple]

Also, about the Forest water, I don’t think it’s wrecked. We only see it that way because it damages us; but not entirely, since the rivers and bodies of water don’t affect us.

[bitter shale]

You were right ._.

Hmm im kinda wondering this too... do you guys think these elements causing havoc to the realms?

Mmm idk butter once tell me this

From trial of air mural we can see there are 4 realms that given the elements :

1. Prairie : green light (earth)
2. Forest : blue light (water)
3. Valley : cyan light (air)
4. Wasteland : red light (fire)

CMIIW

From these 4 realms, we can see there are 3 realms that in terrible/destroyed state : Forest, valley and GW

For forest and GW we can see clearly how destroyed both realms are. But why did i include Valley?

Well, you can actually see that valley is literally frozen over . Seems like once valley is not all frozen like our current valley. The state of current valley is like when Elsa went mental and froze Arandelle over (i cant find a good example im sorry-)

[short owl]

What if those lights weren't at all what wrecked the realms, but things used to restore them?

[hushed steeple]

If you take the first letters of the trials, EWAF, it can be turned into EW&F, which is the old R&B band, earth, wind and fire! Sooo, maybe the TGC team were listening to their music when creating the trials.

I’m sorry I’ll take my leave.

[short owl]

The stars likely needed to take from the environment, and this would naturally have a negative impact. Each elder would take a different resource and make something they needed, then use the colored light to prevent the environment from going Wasteland.

[bitter shale]

Also according to Reika, current Citadel was actually a peak of a very high tower. This can be concluded that Valley building once was stood more higher than current situation but got drowned by the clouds

valley was frozen over and surrounded by the clouds

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

This is Reika's comments about Citadel

[short owl]

Clouds naturally bring water, so forest would also be naturally restored. Same for Valley, air just naturally creates wind. Valley... In all honesty, that realm could be as bad as wasteland compared to it's glory days. We only see what remains, and the rest may have fallen.

[hushed steeple]

When the elders/stars are falling, we only see 6, and the humanoid-shaped light in the middle just standing there like "see u guys, was nice sharing with u".

But suddenly later a seventh star is falling and become the Eden's Elder If the humanoid-shaped light didn't fall, why they become the star that came from no one knows where his king?

I think that Eden's Elder was the one who brought the darkness because he was jealous of the present god and wanted the stars to praise him in his own garden

[bitter shale]

'and the whole tower actually goes all the way down'
'it's a bit dark, but what you see above the clouds is actually just the tip and its where all the riches live'
'and the areas under the clouds where the lights dont reach'
'and the tip of the tower that you see is like the top of the top'

[celest spoke]

If you look at the element symbols they look kinda like letters: water M, earth Y, air E, fire J

idk

[bitter shale]

M Y E J

@hushed steeple what if, Megan know the child is the one who caused the 6 stars fall and punish the child by making them falling too

And force them to be the leader of the 6 stars

if they made the next season area in Valley im gonna scream-

[short owl]

An alternative: the prince stayed up in the sky as long as he did because he managed not to fall at first, and wanted to send help (the lights). He then tried to use the mountain to ease the trip home, but the elders had used the lights sent to them to fix the environment rather than charge themselves, making the trip impossible

[bitter shale]

Like imagine if next season is about exploring more about valley

[celest spoke]

Each of those realms has been destroyed by its element though— Prairie is half-buried and covered with grass, Forest is drowning in rain, Valley (esp citadel side) sploded by wind, Wasteland looks parched/burned

[bitter shale]

...arent prairie suppose to be like that?

I mean unlike other realms Prairie is teh least to get destroyed

[celest spoke]

The belltowers are on top of buried structures

[hushed steeple]

An alternative: the prince stayed up in the sky as long as he did because he managed not to fall at first, and wanted to send help (the lights). He then tried to use the mountain to ease the trip home, but the elders had used the lights sent to them to fix the environment rather than charge themselves, making the trip impossible
@short owl

That makes sense, but why would they then start a war apparently between them, would it have been for the prince's arrival? Some elders supporting him to fly into space but at the cost of extracting all the light from the earth while others wanted to stay on earth and not sacrifice the new life they bring to earth

[bitter shale]

You just answer yourself

[short owl]

That's certainly a possibility. Another is that when the fire light went dim, it was a war over a scarse resource.

... Which works out even more because what do we bring to the elders and the spirits?

FIRE.

[bitter shale]

Lights-

Well yeah technically its fire

[short owl]

We give the elders flame and light up the ancestors

Another thought: what if the wasteland buildings don't belong on the ground?

Or at least not all of them

[bitter shale]

Wait what

Man i write long for that-

Okay so here is a thing : valley is located high up on the clouds while gw is located under the clouds

Ans then there is a speculation that valley and gw was once one city called as golden valley

And clouds in GW have holes

Its seems your speculation right Null

[hushed steeple]

That makes sense because the buildings look someone similar in valley & gw. Valley seems different from the other lands due to it mostly being an arena race- & where did those people come from ? Where did those buildings come from ? Gw probably

[short owl]

If GW once had buildings high in the sky, perhaps fire had a very non-obvious role... Or one a little too obvious - cleaning up the sludge

[hushed steeple]

Another theory I have is that the valley belonged to the rich people. The people full of light & never needed to work or have resources- they rested in the sky and watched races for entertainment. But below the races were the poor, hardworking spirits that used the temple to harness the power there. Soon things went awry and the gw got polluted

[short owl]

This assuming they didn't flip to manta power and create sludge only AFTER the flame ran out

[hushed steeple]

Valley is supposed to be divided by class

How exactly ? Can u explain ?

Ahh you can either gimme a minute or just move on I have Stuff I have to do right now >.<

Ohh ok that’s fine !! Take ur time dww

[south sluice]

Out of context: Skykids' bodies are made of darkness while their cosmetics (identity) are made of light

[hushed steeple]

Yes I agree !! It makes sense because when ur flying and see a shadow, there’s no shadow for the wings

It’s only a show of ur skykid

*shadow I can’t type

[undone harbor]

Maybe we aren't made out of darkness but rather something solid?

[south sluice]

Also, if skykids start out as genderless, does that mean that being cis in sky is being non-binary

[hushed steeple]

Yeah.. maybe a combination of both

the lack of shadows for the cape is due to performance optimizations for lower end devices

Probably

Ohhh

Nvm then lol

[south sluice]

Sorry for bothering
Im just having brain moments

[undone harbor]

But the cosmetics made out of light theory is somewhat accepted by the devs as well???

Uh I don't remember I just saw that somewhere

[lethal stump]

it’s in the canon doc i believe

[short owl]

Never forget that what we think of as luxuries are very much necesities for some. Elevators get wheelchairs up stairs. Technology gives us new medical equipment. Pre-cut food allows people without strength or stability to eat the food in question.

So if the elders integrated into society, they likely knew ancestors who relied on the technology they had, and would have a hard time taking it away

[undone harbor]

Sorry for bothering
Im just having brain moments
@south sluice don't worry this is the perfect place for brain moment

[hushed steeple]

Okay okay so Valley being divided by class is something I’ve gotten from various concept arts, including what’s on like the first page of Tom Zhao’s website if you wanna look it up

And also, yes. Technology allows people with disadvantages to get closer to equal footing. Banning it entirely would have heartbreaking consequences.

[short owl]

Or taking it away completely. Teth, at least, seemed to have an actual job in the Sky society

Same for Ayin, but Teth's job is easier to make the connection.

... What is that emote

[hushed steeple]

Okay but why do the wealthy districts in Valley float like bro how do you get up there you can’t fly

[short owl]

?!

[lethal stump]

boat

[hushed steeple]

Oh heck I forgot about boats somehow

It's an open mouth null

[undone harbor]

It's ok,boats aren't used much in our gameplay

[hushed steeple]

I promise I’m smart most of the time

[undone harbor]

This is brain juicer

[short owl]

I is so confused. Any way... If literally ANYTHING Teth made had to do with medicine and there's no one else who can make it yet... Teth probably would be unwilling to leave. That could be a serious problem if anyone was unwilling to leave them behind.

Only now, all the ancestors are dead so that is no longer a concern

Which is really dark and messed up

@hushed steeple ye this juice brain like concept factory juice manta

[hushed steeple]

Tasty

This is only vaguely related to what Null is saying but now I’m thinking about if it’s possible for a Skid to be created with physical disabilities. Maybe those are the ones Megan left to die on the beach in old beta

[short owl]

I would say maybe, however I would not be surprised if something was in place to catch that

Maybe the home ancestor secretly sells extra arms and legs for 0 candles?

[hushed steeple]

Teth makes prosthetics or something, just hands them out to whoever needs it

The Twins keep coming back because they’re always breaking theirs

[short owl]

Or maybe because of how bodies are created, a skykid with a physical disability would just get a fresh body once identified?

Teth ABSOLUTELY charges the twins

[hushed steeple]

True, true

[short owl]

And maybe has some lower quality ones stashed in case the twins have an emergency. "Oh, you're out of money? Have a CLAW until you can afford a hand"

[hushed steeple]

Kakashi just walks into the Valley temple with a giant hook one day and Dora can’t stop laughing

[short owl]

||ok is anyone else uncomfortable with the mouth||

||sorry||

[hushed steeple]

Lol i just used for some fun... But if someone feeling uncomfortable then i won't use. sorry... And ya let's get back to lore

[short owl]

Maybe Teth usually charges but has a free tier for those who say, need to be able to walk in order to go to school and their family just can't afford anything decent?

[hushed steeple]

|| the eyes stare into my soul ||

[pallid citrus]

Lore confirmed?

[broken basin]

Well, we don't really know if sky world has a currency (which the spirits used back then, not the candles we use now), so

[hushed steeple]

Oreo is just an Easter egg jo

[broken basin]

Sorry, It's not lore realted, that's just a prompt of skybot, it always says the same line when you krill oreo

Wait

[short owl]

Okay but Oreo was never saif

[pallid citrus]

[short owl]

So... How did Skybot know you meant Oreo

[pallid citrus]

That.... is the question

[hushed steeple]

Sometimes when you type too long and use the !krill command before that... Skybot thinks you tried to krill the innocent (evil) dog

It's just a coding thing... And ya not lore related

i think it is a response that has a probability of occurring

it is in the cog code

what is the topic?

[short owl]

Last topic was skykids, physical disabilities, and Teth having a free tier of cosmetics cause they absolutely charge the twins but isn't a monster

[broken basin]

This isn't the prairie temple for sure, what's ayin doing here then?

And what is this building

[lethal stump]

it’s the top of the prairie temple

it is the temple

[broken basin]

Prairie temple in isle murals

[lethal stump]

it’s the prairie temple, it looks almost identical to the actual one

[pallid citrus]

😆 lore channel can’t take a joke. Lighten up guys, it’s literally all fun and games

[broken basin]

Yeah, we understand, but we try to be on-topic <3

[lethal stump]

lore channel isn’t the place for off-topic joking around

[broken basin]

Well, i am not sure whether it's the Prairie temple,

[lethal stump]

lemme try and find a pic of the temple

[hushed steeple]

I think it's praire temple too... As no other structure similar to that

[broken basin]

Prarie temple looks, umm, thicker?

[hushed steeple]

It's forest temple i think

[broken basin]

This is Forest temple, but it's too thin

Yeah

[short owl]

To be fair, forest temple seems the type to expand

[broken basin]

Also, i made this, sorry for reposting, but what do you think?

[hushed steeple]

why does tsadi look kind if off

of*

[broken basin]

no actual theory in it since I'm still tryna get some brain cells before i make an approach

I mean, the triangle body looks pretty accurate , i think that's supposed to depict his Armor

[lethal stump]

look at the layering style of the temple, the prophecy and isle murals are just slightly different interpretations of the prairie temple

[hushed steeple]

Similar tbh

wait, this means that prophecy took place before the isle temple was built

[lethal stump]

that’s literally a simplified prairie temple

[broken basin]

Not quite for me, but it's okay, everyone has their own theories

[lethal stump]

it’s the same kind of construction with a bell atop

[bitter shale]

i legit thinking that isle temple was build the latest

right before the eden went boom

[hushed steeple]

or it could be the prairie temple before renovations and additional constructions

which means the prophesies took place long before when the isle temple was built

[broken basin]

I think Prophecy happened before any major constructions were done

[bitter shale]

can be

since its a propechy after all

mmmm but here is teh catch

if the murals on isle telling us how prophets created, that means isle temple was created before prophets created-

[broken basin]

Tbh, that mural looks more like the forest temple (but it's a bit shorter), and kind of looks a lot like the diamond press with the Statue on

[south sluice]

Now I want to know what is the Prophecy about
The King? The fall of the kingdom? Skykids' creation (because I saw on sky website that the prophets were waiting for us)?

[bitter shale]

okay created is not a good word but meh i forgot teh proper word-

[lethal stump]

well find out after the fire trial, Ucabi

[bitter shale]

hold on

okay can soemone check if there is any depiction of isle temple in isle murals?

not prophecy cave murals

[bitter shale]

man i cant see images-

oh

oh yea that one

shhhh betaaa

[broken basin]

Yeah, i think these are the 4 prophets, we are shown 4 people with some lights , so i highly think it could be tge 4 prophets

[pastel brook]

don’t worry citizens, your prophet is here

[lethal stump]

@south sluice the fire trial isn’t in live yet, please leave discussions of its content in #beta-discussion

[bitter shale]

indeed

i believe isle murals depicted how prophets came

they seems to get knowledge from the fallen stars

[broken basin]

Yeah, There are 4 people in every single Isle mural

[bitter shale]

those fallen stars also different from the elders

[hushed steeple]

Maybe those fallen stars are the light that's shown in prophecy mural?

[broken basin]

Looks like they are creating the isle temple

So, maybe, they are taking the wisdoms and making the temple?

But, in Prophecy murals, we see that the elders have the wisdoms/lights

[bitter shale]

its quite interesting, truly. these murals are the first thing we see when we first started our journey in isle

like, our coming seems to be expected, and soemone put those murals to tell us that our coming has been expected from a long time ago...

okie

[hushed steeple]

Daleth kinda sus

[broken basin]

Prophets praying to isle elder

Wait

This kinda connects

[hushed steeple]

Those are common folks (ancestors) i believe wolf

[broken basin]

Maybe this mural is after he was given the 4 lights

Well, i think , they might be the Prophets, but then, those murals in isle have existed since forever, and Prophecy came out after an year of launch (if they had the prophets idea lomg ago, and decided to bring it now, that's Kind of incredible, but hard to believe.) So, maybe they're just villagers.

[bitter shale]

there is actually two kinds of murals that showed to us when we first started our game : the intro murals and isle murals

intro murals tell us about 7 stars fallen and how they build the city on cloud until its actual demise to the storm.

while isle murals tell us how people (sky people) find 4 fallen stars and give them to Daleth so those stars can back to their place in orbit

we might be thinking, oh yeha fallen stars can back to the sky yeee. but here is the catch. why isle murals only depict 4 fallen stars when the intro murals clearly showed 7 fallen stars?

so it possible the fallen stars in isle murals and opening murals are not the same stars

[broken basin]

Yeah, about to say that

[hushed steeple]

Those fallen 4 stars aren't elders i believe

Those are most likely prophecy lights (in prophecy mural)

[broken basin]

Cause all 7 elder stars didn't fell in isle only, they scattered throughout the clouds

[hushed steeple]

And the big question if those are elders how come daleth in isle before their fall?

[broken basin]

Maybe, we are just seeing daleth's part here

Other elders were there too somewhere, but that isn't shown in murals , that what they did, maybe they tried to find daleth?

[bitter shale]

also why daleth presented on isle murals when they was suppose to be part of the 7 fallen stars? its quite weird that a fallen star helping another fallen star to get back to the orbit while the fallen star themself cant go back to the orbit?

[broken basin]

I am not even sure that daleth is sending the fallen stars to orbit there

[bitter shale]

last mural, depicted by the refusing spirit

mmm wait

oh nvm not the last mural

i believe this is the pointing pilgrim mural?

[broken basin]

Yes

And ponting pilgrim was one of the spirits in the caves

[bitter shale]

last mural would be this

[broken basin]

mantas

Wait

Maybe they are the birds and he's directing them to eden?

[bitter shale]

seems like daleth leading the light creature to follow the fallen stars to the orbit

bring back the fallen stars to the orbit and sending those light creatures to the orbit with fallen stars as their guide. two birds with one stone.

[broken basin]

Wait, let's start from the beginning

4 things fell from the sky

4 people fetched them

And did something to them

Then delivered them to isle elder

And then he did something with them

[bitter shale]

4 epoplw only take and bring them to daleth, imo

they just looked so fascinated

[broken basin]

They were actually kind of doing something with the things,

I don't have the photo ;-;

[bitter shale]

which part?

i ajve the photo

but cant send all of them here

[broken basin]

The ones in the entrance isle cave

[bitter shale]

hang on

these?

mmm i cant even see my own pics--

[broken basin]

My internet ;-;, idk it's suddenly so slow

Can't see them

[bitter shale]

lmao-

welp

i feel you

guess we need to wait

[broken basin]

Yeah

[bitter shale]

its a picture after the stars fell and the two people figure jist went woah

[broken basin]

And two people are like bending over near the light,

[bitter shale]

yep

[broken basin]

Oh no i have to go ;-;

[bitter shale]

that pic too

[broken basin]

;-;-;-;-;

[bitter shale]

man i gotta go

oh

lmaooo

jinx

[broken basin]

Xd

[bitter shale]

good luck mate, i gotta go too

[broken basin]

Well bye flos

[bitter shale]

see ya

rick astley

[broken basin]

[bitter shale]

[short owl]

So Daleth is a star, and most stars got scattered, right? So why was Daleth chilling with the ancestors?

[hushed steeple]

Hi I’m back

Good question... maybe daleth wasn’t split for some reason ??

But why 🤔

I don’t think that the stars on the murals are elders though

I think maybe the four scattered stars that the people pick up are parts of a star ? And in each trial they collected that part of a star, & going up the mountain was their journey to put the star together and bring the star back to restore light

Does anyone know why the stars fell in the first place tho ? Or are there just theories as to why

[short owl]

Daleth is a boat star... Maybe that's part of why?

[hushed steeple]

Yeahh true

[cyan dune]

I’m just a lore lurker/listener,
even though I read Bricky’s Beginner’s guide to Sky Lore.

[patent veldt]

Hello

Those are definitely elders but we have our own interpretations of the mural I respect your theory too

[icy moat]

hey, quick q, what is each elder's supposed name again/where can I find said info? I remember seeing it somewhere a while ago...

and also anyone know why they chose hebrew letters?

[lethal stump]

that’s a question you’d have to ask the dev team, but i’m guessing it’s because there’s lots of references to the bible. the bible and the hebrew language are closely connected so i can see the thought process there

Isle: Daleth (ד)
Prairie: Ayin (ע)
Forest: Teth (ט)
Valley: Samekh (ס)
Wasteland: Tsadi (צ)
Vault: Lamed (ל)
Prince: Alef (א)
King: Resh (ר)
PLEASE NOTE: These names have appeared in concept art and are often used when referring to the elders. They are no longer canon, they are fanon.

[icy moat]

yeah, I'm somewhat fluent in hebrew and was going to look into the gimatria, hidden gimatria, and other possible meanings

[indigo zinc]

this could be nothing but this krill is, glowing really brightly, like they used to be creatures of light

idk if it would add up but still

[hushed steeple]

That's just their art style

shiny

[patent veldt]

Lol

[inner comet]

I dont remember a krill being there

[patent veldt]

Me too

[crystal hatch]

hello, i was wondering about the valley twin names
do they both have the same name? since on the name list valley is just listed as 'samekh'

[lethal stump]

yes, the valley twins are one elder thus they have one name

[real tendon]

Somewhat random question but what’s up with the spirit in office that’s up in the sky? I can never seem to be able to activate it and so I haven’t been able to see what it does

[trail echo]

i guess one is just a spirit to show you around and talk, but dunno about the other ones

[real tendon]

Yeah, some of the others talk too but idk of that one does

[trail echo]

i haven't really been bothered to look at the spirits so that's all I know xd, sorry

[normal lintel]

I came here to escape from gen, it’s so busy the slow mode was set to 3 mins and I was still very overwhelmed

[patent veldt]

The gen chat is on 🔥

The hype about ts .

I was like

It's like they never seen a ts in there life .

[lethal stump]

this isn’t ts-discussion-spoilers
please move to #seasons-events-chat to discuss ts

[patent veldt]

So anyways back to lore

I wanna escape the whole ts conspiracy.

[hushed steeple]

Question, who are the king & prince exactly ? I’ve heard about them but where are they from ? Can they be seen in game ?

[lethal stump]

those questions are answered in the canon lore doc

[hushed steeple]

Oh ok ! ty !

[short owl]

Also moff doc i believe

[lethal stump]

primary sources are better, namely canon doc

[fallen epoch]

Hornet is void.

[sly kestrel]

yes

[lethal stump]

just when i thought i escaped hollow knight it pulls me right back in.......

[kind musk]

Yaaaay my computer was fixed and now i can continue with the lore pdf!

[fallen epoch]

Oh yeah, and the pale king is the knight

And the pale king is just a reincarnation of the void

[jaunty folio]

Oh no

It’s everywhere

I can’t escape the HK lore...

[fallen epoch]

Gruz Mother is the Pale Queen

No?

[ornate olive]

Why is the isle elders face all cracked?

[sly kestrel]

I don’t even kno who to respond to

[fallen epoch]

Why is the isle elders face all cracked?
@ornate olive My analysis: he is old.

[kind musk]

What are we talking about in the popcorn club?

[fallen epoch]

How the Prairie Elder was Oreo's nemisis

[kind musk]

How sweet

Who wins?

[fallen epoch]

Well, the thought process is

That Oreo was a wannabe elder

but the current elder of the prairie dissaproved of that

so oreo was cast out to the butterfly room

[kind musk]

[fallen epoch]

And their spirit was put in a rock

That is why it takes 8 true believers to awaken Oreo

[kind musk]

Nice

[ornate olive]

If I have a theory but its more in story form should I still post it here?

[kind musk]

Yessssss

[fallen epoch]

Sure?

[kind musk]

Tell use

Us

[fallen epoch]

Only if it has a limerick

[ornate olive]

ok this was from something I thought of yesterday and its mostly a broad overview

[kind musk]

Anyway tell ussss

[ornate olive]

Overthrow Theory

The elders lived in a place above the clouds ruled by the old king. The old king was a wise figure that knew secret knowledge stored in a place beyond place. It was a peaceful time, yet still there were some that were complacent. There was the prince, the next in line. But what good was next in line when the king was eternal? The prince sought change, and he found it within others as well. The conflict brought infighting, turmoil, struggles. The elders fell from the sky, weighed down by their own hubris and beliefs.

And when they landed in the clouds, they sought to create a new kingdom, a new home. They needed that change, and they found it in the prince, who was crowned the new king. The old king was deposed, stripped of his title and banished to the far off isles at the edge of the land. He was to wear his broken crown as a reminder of what he had failed to prevent. But what they couldn't take away from him was his knowledge, and the new king sought to steal away that too.

From the riches of the land, the isle elder used his knowledge to forge elements that could harness the powers of nature for good. He gave them to the other elders in hopes that they would make use of them for the better. The isle elder wanted to reheal the old wounds that had cast them down from the heavens and amend the wrongs. But the wrongs weren't his to amend.

As time passed, society was settled down in the heart of the valley where the poor and rich lived in uneasy coexistence. Up in his high tower, the king finally managed to crack open the vaults but what he sought wasn't for the good of his people. Rather, he broke into the cubes of forbidden knowledge, learning from them how to create power diamonds. The promise of power diamonds whipped the people into a frenzy. The people changed, and with it too the lands.

The isle elder warned them. He knew what that power would bring.

If only they had listened.

The isle elder created the trials, as the last attempt to right the wrongs of the elders. He trained the ancestors in hopes that they would understand what was necessary. And many did come to realize. Many rebelled, attacking the factories that sat in the now desolate wastelands. But it was all for naught.

The king, using the resources in the reach of the empire, built the prime power diamond, capable of absorbing the elements. It was the ultimate power in the king's hand alone. Something that now even the old king could have achieved. But this was their final downfall. The crystal destroyed eden, carrying part of it into the sky while the rest was laid to utter waste, ripped and torn asunder under the raw power of the prime power diamond. The king fell into oblivion and with them, the empire fell.

If only they had stopped to look at what they had become.

If only they had listened.

[fallen epoch]

buhhhhhh

So you're saying the kingdom fell from the elders?

[ornate olive]

I mean a lot of what I figured came from the opening line "if only they had listened" being directed towards the elders

[urban ginkgo]

It definitely seems like some inner turmoil had to happen, empires don't just fall randomly
Also that's such a well thought out theory

[fallen epoch]

Well, I'd like to refer to the previous games

I've never played Flower, so I can't speak for that one

But every empire fell from a special resource being exploited

Journey! Something something something (gotta play that one, or just rewatch it)

Abzu (not made by TGC) fell from a blue ball thingy being exploited

[ornate olive]

Well in this case it would have been the power diamonds

[fallen epoch]

But the resource was an outside resource

If these "power diamonds" were created, could they have been exploited?

And I think you said they created them

It is hard to focus

[ornate olive]

I'm pretty sure it's confirmed that power diamonds had to do with their downfall

[fallen epoch]

Probably

[urban ginkgo]

Maybe it's more like they got greedy, the stone in vault wasn't big enough for them so they made the eden one and it exploded or something idk

[fallen epoch]

'cuz of the big one in eden

[ornate olive]

That could be possible

[fallen epoch]

I'll be right back

[feral radish]

Okay, but for real though, why are two poasible teenagers the elders of Valley of Triumph–

[fallen epoch]

Stars can't be teenagers

[feral radish]

They look like teens 👁️ 👁️

[ornate olive]

I mean we don't really know their ages

[feral radish]

Hh

[fallen epoch]

Stars still can't be teenagers

[urban ginkgo]

Most of the spirits seem to be young adults now that I think about it. Like there's the elders that seem old but they're literally ancient anyways, otherwise some seem to be older teens/early 20s and some like mid 20s to 30s imo

[fallen epoch]

GJvjs)(gfU-0voVJ9hV[0ER9

[urban ginkgo]

They would've been immortalized at the age they died most likely, which is kinda morbid now that I think of it

[fallen epoch]

Excuse me, are you guys implying that stars age like human beings

That they grow from kids to teenagers

On to adults and then old people?

[ornate olive]

Well stars irl die eventually

So maybe

[fallen epoch]

Or could we just keep it as a big ball of gas that expands and expands to eventually die, just like everything else in the universe

[urban ginkgo]

Hmm true they could be hundreds of years old and look like teens, but the elders seem to suggest that they age

[fallen epoch]

Stars with suggested ages.

[ornate olive]

I mean isle elder definitely looks the oldest

[fallen epoch]

AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[ornate olive]

And seems to suffer from arthritis

[feral radish]

[fallen epoch]

This!

[feral radish]

AAAAAAAA

[fallen epoch]

Is not this!

[feral radish]

MY EYES

[urban ginkgo]

I wonder if the spirit memories are where they actually died, or just like their most important memories to them when they lived that they maybe thought of when they died oh jeez that's dark

[fallen epoch]

How about we talk about something else

[urban ginkgo]

Yeah let's do that

[fallen epoch]

Like how all the rocks from Eden are from Orbit

seems like a good conversation starter :p

Oh yeah, and why the hell does orbit have an ocean

That ain't right 😠

I don't want water in my space

[ornate olive]

Maybe orbit was actually a small moon that blew up

[fallen epoch]

Yeah, what IS orbit

It isn't a sun

and it is the spiritual destination for all creatures of light

[urban ginkgo]

Well we see megan in both orbit and the credits, and i think it's been confirmed that the light creatures go back to megan, but that doesn't explain the part before the gate still

[fallen epoch]

Or the bell at orbit

[urban ginkgo]

Maybe a remnant of where the spirits used to live? wait no I'm confused now

[fallen epoch]

I want to understand why creatures of light are gathered to the bells

[urban ginkgo]

They seem to be like prayer bells with the way they turn and the runes or whatever carved into them, but otherwise

[fallen epoch]

Well, I think Caesar made me realize this

Every creature of light is gathered to bells

In Prairie! You need to ring the bells to call the mantas to help you to the temple

Sanctuary! you gather (memory fragments, I dunno) to call the mantas

Orbit! There is a massive bell heard in the very center at the gateway, and every single creature with light heads toward it

It could be why we go to eden, to make the journey to orbit

but we just die

Oh yeah, the bells inside forest call the jellyfish, the local creatures of light :3

Does anyone disagree with me and my thoughts

[ornate olive]

Also butterflies are attracted to your calls

[fallen epoch]

Yes!

[ornate olive]

So maybe larger creatures would be attracted to larger sources of light/sound

[fallen epoch]

Well, our calls are connected to our light

Dunno why

[ornate olive]

Same with the bells though

[split ruin]

it's a very sound- oriented thing

[ornate olive]

Also our calls repel/flip crabs

So maybe a large bell could repel krills

[fallen epoch]

Wait, you use your light to ring the bells

Could be why there are no Krills around bells

So the light is used to make the sound to call light?

That sounds odd

[ornate olive]

I mean when we release the call we see there is some sort of light traveling outwards

[fallen epoch]

Well, not only that

When you run out of light, you lose your call

[ornate olive]

True

[fallen epoch]

You can also use your call around others to gain more light

[ornate olive]

Yeah

[short owl]

You can still call to recharge others tho

[fallen epoch]

Yes

[ornate olive]

So whatever the call is definitely gives off a source of light

[fallen epoch]

Let's make a basic claim: "Sounds of light summon light"

Anyone disagree?

[visual pasture]

What about when krills hit you? When they roar they also give off the same circle of light like how skykids call

[fallen epoch]

Krills don't have light

So I don't think that argument is valid

[ornate olive]

I mean maybe they use it to trap creatures of light

[visual pasture]

Well yeah thats true but they still have the circle

[fallen epoch]

I also just think that circle is a graphic effect

thingy thing

[ornate olive]

To be fair we can't say for sure how krill function

Or what they even are

[urban ginkgo]

Wait do we see them make a call or is it just when it hits us we see the because if it's when it hits us it might just be our light yeeting out

[fallen epoch]

Yeah

[urban ginkgo]

I'll go get krilled later and check lol

[fallen epoch]

And if Krills had light, you can see it rising to orbit just like every other creature with light (mantas, us, whales)

Oh yeah, and spirits

I guess they count too

[ornate olive]

Maybe their light source is from other creatures of light

[fallen epoch]

Literally, they lack light

[ornate olive]

We do see them hunting/killing mantas

[fallen epoch]

OR they would be going to orbit

[visual pasture]

Ooo yeah

[ornate olive]

They could recycle that light

Kind of how plants use light to photosynthesize and then animals eat plants

[fallen epoch]

Counterargument: We haven't seen a single piece of evidence that shows that light can be stolen

None.

[visual pasture]

Idk i just think its odd that all creatures of light have that circle but krills also have them too 🤔

[fallen epoch]

We got to base our thoughts on anything we can see in game

Mei, we'll figure it out

[urban ginkgo]

Meibe that confirms the theory that krills were once light cteatures

[visual pasture]

Owo

[fallen epoch]

But that doesn't seem accurate either

When Mantas die, they die

You can see their spirits inside the Vault

And their bones elsewhere

[visual pasture]

I have another thought that maybe the circles from calls don’t actually have anything to do with light and that they just represent sound waves or something

[fallen epoch]

Yes! I agree

[visual pasture]

Thats the only thing I can think of for a reason krills have them

[fallen epoch]

Well, just think of it from another angle

Whenever a sound is made by anything, there is the circle effect

That is a fact.

[visual pasture]

Ahh yeah I think thats true too

The first thing that comes to my mind supporting that are the bells in home

[fallen epoch]

What is your point? But that did just give me a thought

[visual pasture]

Idk I just thought of that 😂

[fallen epoch]

Well, I don't know how those bells fit in

They are at the start of your journey

[visual pasture]

Well I mean I don’t see those bells being powered by light

[fallen epoch]

But they don't call you anywhere

they ring every 15 minutes

Scratch that!

[urban ginkgo]

The shrine at the bottom might power them since we see that the candles in isle activates murals

[fallen epoch]

The bell is on eden

That means it just calls you to eden :p

Actually, what is the home?

It is an isolated island

With some closets

and portals to every area in the kingdom

Shouldn't it be used more?

It's just there

[urban ginkgo]

It's also where you land when you're created/reborn so yeah you would think it has more significance, just seems like a hub to me

[fallen epoch]

Strange hub, I'll say that

Because it is just an island, no joke

There are plenty of islands nearby it

No idea why they chose that one

[solar relic]

if you fly up from home, the 6 realms + your constellation plate recreates the intro cutscene not me who figured it out first tho

[fallen epoch]

Oh?

And the constelation plate

Actually, I'll get into those later

but it just occured to me

If they chose that island (dunno why they are, or if they chose it)

could you imagine how fun it would be if they chose the other island nearby? it looks so big!

The plate could be near the shore, with staircases up to portals, and at the peak of the island is eden! Along with all the caves they could add

[solar relic]

the island in the distance is where the intro cutscene takes place

it used to be easier to get there but windwalls happened 😔

[fallen epoch]

Oh?

Care to share more of your wisdom

[visual pasture]

You used to be able to get there? Ooo I wonder what it looks like

[solar relic]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

here's a photo

[fallen epoch]

WHAT THE HELL

I followed my friend

and now I'm in space

[visual pasture]

[fallen epoch]

Literall

y

[urban ginkgo]

Like the secret area or really high above home?

[solar relic]

sounds like a discussion more for gen chat?

[fallen epoch]

Nahhh

I'm on a space orbiter at the moment

[icy spruce]

Ohhh, do you see a ||space station||?

[fallen epoch]

That one.

[icy spruce]

Ohhh

Youre in ||office||

[fallen epoch]

I got that part

[icy spruce]

Well, if you dont know. But today is where you can go there

Oh ok

[fallen epoch]

Strange

The office does seem different today

[icy spruce]

I mean, mischief and stuff

Halloween

[lost widget]

Hey, I'm kinda falling behind on the lore. Can anyone do a quick outline on what the general idea for the back story and what everything means please? Thanks!

[solar relic]

lore summary:

can't really provide a solid summary for lore as it's that vague sorry but generally the outline for backstory would be from the intro cutscene:
elders came down/realms prospered > something happened and everyone died (usually attributed to the storm) > skykids came to go die and save the elders ("bring our lost stars home" stars being elders) and also the kids in stormlock

[lost widget]

Thanks! That makes a lot of sense!

[sacred rapids]

from what I can see in trial mural 1 and the spirit memories, cave of prophecy seems to be like a summer camp and I completely believe what I just said

do I need to explain a bit more?

[kind bobcat]

That's one heck of a summer camp

[sacred rapids]

only for the best of spirits

[reef flax]

‘Beware the Ancient Trials’ sound like a warning tbh

[sacred rapids]

wait where was that?

[solar relic]

i would assume it is a warning due to the earth trial murals

[sacred rapids]

somewhat

but still
sky summer camp

[solar relic]

pros:

• writing homework? nah
• cool geysers and floating rocks
• pretty murals

cons:

• you might die

[lethal stump]

i like those odds

[silver sequoia]

Same

[sacred rapids]

not to bad

and with a head counselor like the spirit guide who ain't haven fun?

[lost widget]

Wait what are the elder's names? I see people using them in the chat but I don't know who's who

[sacred rapids]

here ya are
Isle: Daleth (ד)
Prairie: Ayin (ע)
Forest: Teth (ט)
Valley: Samekh (ס)
Wasteland: Tsadi (צ)
Vault: Lamed (ל)
Prince: Alef (א)
King: Resh (ר)
PLEASE NOTE: These names have appeared in concept art and are often used when referring to the elders. They are no longer canon, they are fanon.

[lost widget]

Thanks!

[sacred rapids]

tho the names where made before valley was 2 elders so I call them Sam and Ekh respectfully

[lethal stump]

valley are 1 elder

[lost widget]

Cool

[lethal stump]

theyre two people, but one elder

the game even calls them « Elder of the Valley »

[sacred rapids]

when I try and refer to just one half of the elder I use those

[solar relic]

2-in-1 pack on sale now! /j

[sacred rapids]

I'd believe it

hey ktjn!

[lethal stump]

yo ktjn uwu

[scenic surge]

I'm noob here, I want to know the basics about the world of sky, where can i read up on it?

[lethal stump]

the pins is a good place to start

[agile galleon]

They were never canon.

[lethal stump]

Hello new Lore Moff!
Read this short document to get started! Once you’ve read this, check out pins for more information.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18B1-SKG3toG0oH0VhOWC5o-cG9u0STAN92QvmbhTDto/edit

the names ?

[agile galleon]

correct

[scenic surge]

thanks @lethal stump

[sacred rapids]

oh

[lethal stump]

ye, we know, just old concepts

[agile galleon]

That's something I verified with narrative design, they were never canon at any point.

[sacred rapids]

oh wow

[agile galleon]

I know but the continued use of them creates a lot of confusion.

You really should use their official names.

[sacred rapids]

we'll try but it might not work out

[lethal stump]

it gets lengthy at times, the placeholders are shorter

btw, if they were never canon, was there ever any reason for those specific names, or were they random ?

[sacred rapids]

and ngl I kinda like the names from that concept

[agile galleon]

[zone name] Elder is too lengthy?

[sacred rapids]

sorta

[lethal stump]

yes

when people can make short forms or nicknames they will

[agile galleon]

concepts are just that, rough ideas used to convey an idea or theme or invoke a specific emotion.

[lethal stump]

i see

[sacred rapids]

if they ever get names past elder of the [zone name] you'll tell us right?

[lethal stump]

i thinj well find out, Jouske

the « Elder of the [Realm] » names come from their shops in Eden/Orbit

if they change, it’ll be seen

[sacred rapids]

yeah yeah

[agile galleon]

The ancientness of the iconography from an older language hits that mark, and may influence a sense of direction, but once the desired final design decision is achieved, the concept can be abandoned.

[lethal stump]

so hebrew was used for the, for lack of a better term, aesthetic ?

[sly kestrel]

Based on what I’ve read in the concepts, at the time the meaning of the Hebrew letters matched the old ideas of the elders
This is jus my speculation tho

[agile galleon]

think of it like starting a piece of art with stick figures before becoming a beautiful fresco.

The elders have their official names, so there isn't anything to reveal

[sacred rapids]

well that's how a project me and some irl friends is going rn so I can relate

[agile galleon]

Forest elder's concepts were a lot more sinister than the final design.

[sacred rapids]

and waste was a spider

[lethal stump]

concept forest elder would make sky pg13

[agile galleon]

not necessarily

[static spoke]

Oooo

[sacred rapids]

do you mind directing me to that brick?

[lethal stump]

concept teth ?

[sacred rapids]

yea

[lethal stump]

im p sure there’s some concepts of teth in tom zhao’s portfolio in the pins

also i think some were in the 7 days of sky

[sacred rapids]

or concept forest elder

[sly kestrel]

I actually liked her old concepts
Yeah she was evil and made kids get lost in the forest
But I still liked it

[agile galleon]

the social posts with concept art we shared around the sky anniversary mentioned that forest elder would seduce skykids, which raised some questions about how the word seduce was being used.

[sacred rapids]

oh Jesus Christ

[sly kestrel]

That too

Forgot about that weekly concept thingy

[sacred rapids]

I guess skykids used to be ahem 'older'?

[sly kestrel]

ehh, ion think so
They were also made to be kids

[solar relic]

does seduce have multiple meanings in english?

[agile galleon]

Think of it more like the witch seducing Hansel and Gretel with food to her house so she could eat them. the word does frequently have a mature application, but that's not the only use of the word.

[lethal stump]

i don’t know why i thought the bot wouldn’t take that

not really, res

[sacred rapids]

oh right thanks ktjn

[agile galleon]

no, skykids are children.

[urban ginkgo]

Oh so more like beckoning them to follow her to a creepy cabin than the other connotation

[sly kestrel]

Never seen a concept where the player was an adult

[lethal stump]

me neither

i think the most « adult » the concept skids looked was this concept

[sacred rapids]

but that gets me thinking
what would we call a adult skykid?
a sky person?

[sly kestrel]

that’s if they can grow

[lethal stump]

skdult

[sly kestrel]

But I guess they will be called that

[sacred rapids]

thanks brick

[urban ginkgo]

Same height as valley elders?

[sly kestrel]

They look tiny in that pic

Heheh

[short owl]

Ah... Staff Tall Lamed

I still laugh at how much they change

[lethal stump]

then again that’s a rather old concept so like

[sly kestrel]

Back when the wasteland elder’s spear was jus a stick with a weird triangle

[lethal stump]

looks like a big knife

weird, big, knife

[sly kestrel]

OOOH NOW I SEE

eh now it looks like an oversized comb

[solar relic]

it looks like a gigantic tooth brush

[sacred rapids]

a
P I L L A R

[lethal stump]

oversized comb for his epic battle braid

[sacred rapids]

oh wait that's more like prairies

[static spoke]

The biggest threat of the day - hair

[sacred rapids]

hey he's gotta use something to comb that

[sly kestrel]

Praire had concepts where he would actually have that
It was jus a giant....pillar

Who knows what it was used for

[lethal stump]

i think it was meant to be some kind of key(?)

[sacred rapids]

was it a pillar or a stool?

[sly kestrel]

It was a fat stick If that helps with ur perspective

[short owl]

There was also a concept where a crab was used as an umbrella

[sly kestrel]

poor crab

[sacred rapids]

he brings around has favorite thinking stool everywhere

[lethal stump]

it’s in this concept compilation

[sly kestrel]

Beating stick

[sacred rapids]

yeah looks more like a pillar

[short owl]

They had lotta sticks

[cerulean silo]

Stick is superior

[short owl]

D - did they swap size with the stick?

[sacred rapids]

I like the elder designs on page(?) 3 no 4

looks very warm

[sly kestrel]

Hehehh the wasteland spear isn’t even a weapon anymore
It’s a rectangle on a stick

[lethal stump]

s,,,shovel ? maybe ?

[sly kestrel]

Grave digger

[sacred rapids]

he dug out the krill

[sly kestrel]

oh

[static spoke]

It was fat!

[lost widget]

I was just trying to get the elder's names lol. I got them and left. I come back to a whole discussion with a mod lol

[sacred rapids]

yeah that happens here

[lost widget]

At least I have something to read now

[cerulean silo]

I like the concept of the light deer

Can someone send the picture of it pls 🥺

[sacred rapids]

mhm your welcome, waves

[sly kestrel]

Actually, the discussuon with ktjn talks about those names ur looking for

[fast jasper]

im starting to think the the golden person on the boat in the water trial mural is prince

[cerulean silo]

Maybe tho

[sacred rapids]

here it is for reference

[cerulean silo]

But there's a lot of those in other realms tho

[fast jasper]

wl?

[sacred rapids]

important people get a gold glow

[fast jasper]

throw bac to when we glowed after the water trial

[solar relic]

crab cave murals in ark

[sacred rapids]

they had different glow ink

[solar relic]

But there's a lot of those in other realms tho
usually humanoid figures in murals will have two lines to represent that they are ancestor spirits
this golden figure doesn't though, the only other time this figure is seen without two lines is in the intro cutscene, to represent the child of light (presumably, the golden figure in the middle of the elder stars at the start) and also us (the figure in the end)

[sacred rapids]

looks like it could be a skykid imo

you alright res?

[lethal stump]

in almost every concept the prince has looked like a skykid so if that is the prince, ofc it looks like a skykid too and vice versa

[solar relic]

i'm not

[cerulean silo]

I lost my brain cells in this channel

[sacred rapids]

I'll try to help you find them but not sure if I'll be good at that

[lethal stump]

we stole them to add to The Collective™️

[sacred rapids]

oh

[cerulean silo]

:<

[sacred rapids]

sorry guess I can't get them back I don't have the clearance

[hushed steeple]

In order to become Inducted into lore chat you must surrender at least half of your brain cells, which become a hive mind that argues with itself

[solar relic]

i surrendered all of mine is that ok

[lethal stump]

yes

at least half is needed

but more is gladly accepted

[sacred rapids]

I think I gained a few back somehow

like 3

[cerulean silo]

My brain cellsss

[hushed steeple]

Are you stealing from the hive mind?

[sacred rapids]

I said I don't have the clearance to get to the hivemind

I think someone left some on my doorstep

if they where actually mine or not is the question

did anyone leave some braincells on my doorstep last week?

[static spoke]

Nope

[sacred rapids]

how did I get these then

if anyone has any info on 3 braincells that wound up on my doorstep last week I'd like to know

[static spoke]

Must be a crack in the old noggin

[cerulean silo]

I like this elder ngl

[lethal stump]

teth

[hushed steeple]

The kitty birb is very cute 🥰

[sacred rapids]

ooo more animal ones

[cerulean silo]

I like it

[sacred rapids]

same

[cerulean silo]

Found the entire page of creatures tho

[sacred rapids]

that was some fish in the top right

[cerulean silo]

So many

🐟

I like the turtle and the hummingbird

Just wish they made it to the game

[hushed steeple]

Whyyy, performance issues, whyyyy

[sacred rapids]

that deer hippocampus looks neat

[hushed steeple]

In all seriousness I like to imagine that a lot of these animals used to exist, but died alongside the Ancestors, just so I can still hold the adorable idea of a bb Ancestor playing with these creatures

[cerulean silo]

Extinction

[sacred rapids]

that's what the baby ancestor was imitating in the confident sightseer cutseen

one of these

[hushed steeple]

Yeah. Which I s’pose means the creatures wouldn’t be light creatures, since those get reincarnated

[sacred rapids]

they just are creatures

[cerulean silo]

Creatures are creatures
And I love creatures except scary ones

[sacred rapids]

wait until you see the light and dark bat creature I'm working on (from the mask if you didn't know)

[cerulean silo]

NO NOT THE SPIDER-

[sacred rapids]

I did that one first

[cerulean silo]

AAAAA

[sacred rapids]

I didn't make them look to scary

[cerulean silo]

Okok good

[sacred rapids]

I'll dm them to you if you want to see

[cerulean silo]

Yee ofc

[sly kestrel]

Want sum more?

[sacred rapids]

I'll also dm it to anyone that didn't see it before

oh look horseshoe crabs

and a wurm

[cerulean silo]

I hate the old krill design istg

I don't want that chasing me mid-air

[sacred rapids]

and a narwall with a mountain shaped horn hmm

[ornate olive]

That worm is terrifying

Imaging you're running through the desert and that thing is just tunneling under you to eat you

[sacred rapids]

no looks like it would do something like the space wurm from starwars

[ornate olive]

Do the bones in graveyard match anything from the concept art?

[lethal stump]

not as far as we’ve seen

[sacred rapids]

there's no way to tell since we don't really know the sizes of these creatures

or if there is I can't zoom in enough to see it

[ornate olive]

For a few of the you can see skykids next to them

Seeing that a lot of concept creatures have antlers I'm curious if the original megan-figure was supposed to be a deer instead of a bird

Maybe like a princess Mononoke thing

[cerulean silo]

Megabird and megadeer tho

[sacred rapids]

maybe there are multiple mega beings?

unless a dev says otherwise there can be more than one megabeing

[cerulean silo]

Megafish

[sacred rapids]

is there a sky multiverse with a different megabeing over watching each one? we'll never know...

[lethal stump]

y’all are reading my minds

[hushed steeple]

It’s the hivemind at work

[lethal stump]

i have a fan-story with a kingdom of Sea and Sand, each with their respective megacreatures

[sacred rapids]

the hivemind has served it's purpose

y’all are reading my minds
wait you have multiple?

[lethal stump]

thèse be some sand kingdom fan elders
#completed-sky-fanart-and-creations message

hive mind, comrade

[hushed steeple]

Ah, yes, the hive mind, pinnacle of communism

[sacred rapids]

yeah ok

megakrill

[hushed steeple]

The dark universe

[sacred rapids]

what would it look like?

[stable ravine]

Bring her back

[sacred rapids]

well it's getting late for me so I'll be going to sneep have some good stuff when I get back tomorrow alright?

[hushed steeple]

Good night

[ornate olive]

I'm kinda curious if the forest elder was always suppose to have the diamond helmet or if it was just the result of a change in the older design

The concept art helm looks a lot more animalistic

Also that middle picture looks like some pied piper stuff

[stable ravine]

Here’s their evolution

Rip the eden elder

Lil prince

[ornate olive]

Bruh that vault elder really shrunk there

Lil prince
@stable ravine is the prince the dark one or orange one?

[lethal stump]

dark

orange is a skid

[ornate olive]

figured as much

[ornate olive]

Honestly looks like the prince only has one eye but that's probably just the mask design

[stable ravine]

He’s also a king?

And a monster?

[lethal stump]

are you new here, Wozapi ?

[stable ravine]

Nooo

To the discord yesssss

[lethal stump]

so you’re new to lore chat ?

[stable ravine]

Perhaps

[lethal stump]

Hello new Lore Moff!
Read this short document to get started! Once you’ve read this, check out pins for more information.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18B1-SKG3toG0oH0VhOWC5o-cG9u0STAN92QvmbhTDto/edit
take this uwu

[ornate olive]

Just based off the sizes I think they were trying to make some strong parallels between the skid and prince

[stable ravine]

I don’t wanna read

[lethal stump]

it’s 600 words

[ornate olive]

You should it's good stuff!

And as bricky said it's pretty short

[stable ravine]

I think I know the lore enough

[lethal stump]

if you wanna get into lore, you’re gonna have to read

[stable ravine]

I’ve been playing the game for a year I’m fine

I’m just a big fan of the concept art

It makes me crave npcs

Like just talk to a guy

[ornate olive]

I think it's pretty clear that whatever happened in wasteland they weren't fighting krill

But seeing all those skeletons is kinda confusing

Considering they should be from creatures of light and they all seem to be facing towards the wall

[stable ravine]

They where probably put there

For defense

[ornate olive]

I'm talking about the lower left picture

Top left are defenses for sure

[primal verge]

Y'all

I wanted to share this earlier today but sadly I got busy

SO

you know how we calculated that if the next ts is not a repeat we will see the 11th wedge by the end of fire trial. So I wanted to share here that if the next ts is from enchantment (the only one that won't be a repeat) then the devs know and this whole season is for THAT 11th wedge.
Well check the news channel now

I mean
beware the prophecy

What if the prophecy is the 11th wedge? The transformation?

Seasonal spoilers ahead from beta
|| I've seen the season finale and tbh it's not that dramatic at all. There's no culmination or so... ||

[pastel brook]

Prophecy? WHERE?!

[stable ravine]

It’s like fence

[ornate olive]

It’s like fence
@stable ravine I think there's a better way of making fences than killing a bunch of creatures and leaving their spines there

[stable ravine]

I mean the could have just dead

Waste not what not

And they could be used to keep the sand at bay

[ornate olive]

I mean if that's what you believe

[stable ravine]

Or the guy sitting there used them as graves

[ornate olive]

A lot of this just head canon

[stable ravine]

Or he’s crazy

Or the og artist needed some filler

[ornate olive]

So... Were they fighting whales?

Cause that's what it sure seems like

[lethal stump]

in the original concepts, they fought light creatures

[ornate olive]

I wonder how much of that they kept in

[stable ravine]

The krills kill whales

Is that where they come from

[ornate olive]

Maybe

[stable ravine]

Krills are maybe from their bones

[ornate olive]

for the whales it seems at the very least they caused some kind of problem

After eden one smashed through the wall and the dead one in forest kinda destroyed a buliding

[stable ravine]

Rip

[cerulean silo]

Whales tryna vibe but elders said we want buildings but whales said HEHEH BUILDING GO BRRRR

[ornate olive]

We know whales existed as far out as the forest so it definitely seems like they were hunted

Considering how few are left

[cerulean silo]

The whale in Belonging Forest : They won't find me here

Skykids : THIS BOI BEEG

But srsly tho

They're big babies ngl

[ornate olive]

I wonder if the goldfish are creatures of light

[stable ravine]

There only found in two places?

Wasteland and home

[ornate olive]

Also in praire under the temple bridge

[stable ravine]

Yeeee

They have no eyes

[primal verge]

Y'all

SO

you know how we calculated that if the next ts is not a repeat we will see the 11th wedge by the end of fire trial. So I wanted to share here that if the next ts is from enchantment (the only one that won't be a repeat) then the devs know and this whole season is for THAT 11th wedge.
Well check the news channel now

I mean
beware the prophecy

What if the prophecy is the 11th wedge? The transformation?

Seasonal spoilers ahead from beta
|| I've seen the season finale and tbh it's not that dramatic at all. There's no culmination or so... ||

REPOSTING BCZ GOT IGNORED THE FIRST TIME

[lethal stump]

i mean, the season is focused on lore. why would the prophecy be something barely related to lore ?

[primal verge]

Idk maybe that's a part of something.

The fact that the 11th wedge will be accomplished after finishing the last trial..?

[solar relic]

thing is not everyone will be able to hit 11 wedges during prophecy so i don't think they would pull something like that

[primal verge]

Idk, just theorising

[fallen epoch]

I’m back!

[ornate olive]

@primal verge also there isn't any suggesting it could be something about another wing

We only see murals regarding the elders and elements

[hushed steeple]

Hey is there a reason the wasteland water is black

[ornate olive]

General consensus is pollution

[hushed steeple]

It has this like oily texture

[ornate olive]

Considering wasteland had factories and pipes it was probably extent from whatever came out of the pipes

[hushed steeple]

Wasn't the waste,and also used as a fortress?

Land*

[ornate olive]

Possibly more closer to the temple, but considering the first main building has pipes coming out of it that one was most likely a factory of some sorts

Also if you look in the distance to the left you can see another factory

[hushed steeple]

Oil leak due to neglect?

No one is alive there so no one fixes the machines

[ornate olive]

I don't really think it would be oil

Considering most machines are light powered

[hushed steeple]

Then where did the oil come from

[ornate olive]

It could be some kind of darkness sludge which would also explain why it drains your light

[summer trellis]

Nah it's been commonly agreed upon that the darkstone in every realm lead to the downfall of the elders and the pollution in the wasteland is because the elders' carelessness

[hushed steeple]

Krill excretion?

[ornate olive]

I mean it doesnt have to be oil

[summer trellis]

It's not really oil I don't think oil would harm skykids/beings of light

[ornate olive]

Also considering we light lanterns around it and it doesn't blow up...

[summer trellis]

It's just... pollution, waste, but of what sorts

Can't say krill excreta because it comes out of the pipes in every factory

My theory is that it's the waste from the darkstone leftovers in the diamond press

[chilly thunder]

that would explain the iridescence maybe

[ornate olive]

Most likely

[summer trellis]

Because we know the wasteland had a TON of diamond presses, compared to the forest which has only one, that would explain why the forest temple has water near the press but it's not toxic

Or its just rainwater ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ornate olive]

Wait which ones are the diamond presses again?

[summer trellis]

The golden rotating thingies in the forest temple

[ornate olive]

Ohhh I see

[chilly thunder]

do we know how close wasteland is to forest??? i wanna test a theory

[summer trellis]

You find it's ruins in the first krill area

[ornate olive]

Oh wait yeah I remember seeing that diamond symbol

The same as the one you light up in forest

[summer trellis]

Let me see if I can find a ss

[ornate olive]

do we know how close wasteland is to forest??? i wanna test a theory
@chilly thunder I don't feel like it's too far

But the storm kind of distorts that distance

[chilly thunder]

thanks @ornate olive !!!

if the wasteland is relatively close to forest, maybe the rain in forest is similar to the acid rain we see IRL. generally speaking, acid rain is caused in one area with lots of pollution, but the acid rain doesn't fall on the source area. Instead, the rain usually affects nearby areas that are "downwind," so to speak

this could explain why the rain is toxic while normal water isn't

[ornate olive]

I think that honestly best explains the acid rain in forest

I don't feel like there are enough presses in the forest to cause that kind of change

[chilly thunder]

I don't feel like there are enough presses in the forest to cause that kind of change
@ornate olive exactly!! acid rain is so unfair :(( just fall on the factories that caused it, not the poor wildlife and humans in other areas...

[hushed steeple]

why is it that when we complete the reassembly of the bridges and activate the bells, the rain halts

[ornate olive]

Good question

[hushed steeple]

we also do not see any significant corrosion on the statues and structures within the area

[ornate olive]

Maybe it generates enough light to prevent rain

I mean if you think about it

Why would a bridge be in ruins

Like obviously in it's normal state it would be a complete bridge

So that suggests that usually there is something giving off light to power it up

And that light is usually enough to keep away the rain???

[chilly thunder]

i mean i know that IRL acid rain causes corrosion, but i was just using that as a comparison point to theorize on how the rain ends up being toxic in forest. i don't think the toxicity of the rain in forest necessarily needs to be similar to acid rain on the corrosion front

[hushed steeple]

I don't believe the rain is toxic though

[ornate olive]

What would suggest that though?

[hushed steeple]

it does not hurt any other light creature, such as jelly and mantas

[chilly thunder]

ah i see, that's a good point

[ornate olive]

But jellies only come out after rain stops

If I'm remembering correctly?

And also the mantas are kind of traped normally

[hushed steeple]

no, in the last portions of the second area

we see some small jellys if I am not mistakening

I might be wrong

[ornate olive]

There are??

Im pretty sure those are just the mushroom like things

[chilly thunder]

it seems to me like there's some evidence that it can hurt mantas though. perhaps they can become hurt enough to fall, and that's how they eventually get trapped by dark plants

[ornate olive]

That's a good point

[chilly thunder]

maybe in the process of burning the plants away, we are also "lighting them up" like we do each other :))

[ornate olive]

I always figured the plants were related to the power diamonds

[hushed steeple]

my last argument for the rain not being toxic is if a large amount of rainfall occurred and the composition of the rain is toxic, then the bodies of water would also hurt us like in wasteland albeit in varying degree, yet we do not see this happening

[ornate olive]

Maybe the plants absorb the toxins

Thars a thing irl with acid rain

[hushed steeple]

i mean this occurs in open bodies of water with no surrounding plants

[ornate olive]

Like where?

[hushed steeple]

under the broken bridges

[ornate olive]

I mean let's just say it wasn't toxic

Then why would it hurt us?