But it does seem quite far fetched now that I’m putting it out there
#lore-discussion-spoilers
still valve
I never did play journey though, so if that’s true then maybe there’s still hope yet
gilded fossil
/actually if you're familar with buddhism journey reference that a lot as well
gilded fossil
/like yea, and be a kind soul after every reincarnation so that everyone can reincarnate
still valve
Here’s where the gameplay and the lore get a bit tricky though
Every time we return the stars to The Light, they always also come back to the original spots as if we never returned them in the first place
So I’m assuming it’s just a metaphor for, our work has not yet finished, because realistically they can’t put the winged light in different places every time we come back
cosmic inlet
Finally I in the game thanks
gilded fossil
/that would burn the game and confusse so many people tbh
still valve
Which means, there are thousands and hundreds of thousands of children that died in Eden...
hushed steeple
and the prophecy is that one day, the ascended children o flight will come to save them all
Special teachers taught the constellations spirits the emotes
who then teach us, the children of the light, the same emotes
and it gets passed on generation after generation
gilded fossil
/you cannot bring beta anywhere else, spoiler taged or not
gilded fossil
/ ifthiss is jusst pure speculation tho
fossil oxide
slashes?
hushed steeple
maybe it's their signature style
thin dirge
Jen just... does it cause she does-
alpine geyser
boreal nebula
My phone maybe isn't loading fast enough, but at loading screen, right after TGC logo, I can see for less than a second a single bird 🐦 flying (and I think I can spot him again before the camera reach HomeSpace)
Can that be a reference to the original Guiding Bird who was in the Beta Isle?
thin dirge
Ooh, maybe?
static spoke
I’ve seen that bird too
boreal nebula
I wish I could have a pic for reference of both. But 1 I dont have the beta isle video and 2 it's just visible for litteraly half a second in a corner
thin dirge
There is a video on YouTube from what I recall
That had the beta bird
Looked more detailed than the other bird we have in game
gilded fossil
/teb people have been noticing it too
bitter shale
i mean... its the season of prophecy... since when prophecy isnt ominous 
hushed steeple
lyric isle
All we know excluding Beta is
all we got was a shot of some unknown spirit figures in dim lighting, with ‘Beware the Prophecy’
and commentary on that it’ll be very lore-y
tender dune
whats this?
gilded fossil
/a bird
frail hearth
bruh y'all it's probably a bug or smth why all the questions hhsjdj
tender dune
I havent been active here so im lost on what's going on nowadays
gilded fossil
/argh i've blocked 7 people since they posted beta stuff
/but im so fricken curios
/i wanna bet who wants to bet
/ 1 candle we will have something to do with the light quest since enchantment
/ginko there has been new beta content about season of prophecy
frail hearth
phuh instensifies
tender dune
yes im not interested in that tbh
short owl
BETA CONTENT IS STILL FORBIDDEN
tender dune
yes
gilded fossil
/i just need my brain to be cleanse
/i have been screaming
/i have my theories
/guys to be fair
short owl
And this is why I will not join the Beta
gilded fossil
/the boats paper boats in some countries are like wishing wells
thin dirge
Ooh
gilded fossil
/you make a boat and bring your wish to the streams
short owl
Because you see things early and get all full of theories you can't share
tender dune
i wanna know whats the thing teb sent 
gilded fossil
/oh?
/the birbs?
/yea recently there have been birds seen on the load screen
/the birbs looks more refined
frail hearth
after the update the start screen bugs a little and bird shadows appear
tender dune
werent they always there?
gilded fossil
/compare to the paper like birbs we usually see
tender dune
when my loading is slow it feels like i see them
gilded fossil
My phone maybe isn't loading fast enough, but at loading screen, right after TGC logo, I can see for less than a second a single bird 🐦 flying (and I think I can spot him again before the camera reach HomeSpace)
Can that be a reference to the original Guiding Bird who was in the Beta Isle?
/there
gilded fossil
/i wonder if the krills are half mechanical
tender dune
same
gilded fossil
/they are dark creatures but modified?
tender dune
could be
gilded fossil
/did the person who made it had malicious intentions
tender dune
maybe not? i think they were used as guard
tender dune
dunno if its because of the texture glitch or ive been blind but forest temple crabs look brown now 
gilded fossil
/ that's bbq sauce
tender dune
:0
tender dune
Has it always been like this or did wafer texture get forest crabs?
solar relic
wafer texture?
tender dune
the weird texture bug on the walls and other areas after update
my friend and i call it wafer because they look yummy
tender dune
same i just never realized even tho i made the crab size compilation 
solar relic
lmaosjs is ok it happens to the best of us
o YE before i go i made a discovery with the leitmotifs
the elder leitmotif i thought was in almost all of the elders' themes aren't even,, in half of the elder's tracks 
BUT
gilded fossil
/guys-
/o wait res what???
solar relic
(wait jen continue)
gilded fossil
/wait no res you first
solar relic
no u
gilded fossil
/ goodness this is gonna got till tomrrow
solar relic
ok let me make this quick
i think i should change "elder" leitmotif to "king" leitmotif, this leitmotif exactly can be found in the twins' and vault elders' themes and also in the white shiny boi at the end of eden's theme
the rest of the elders have a 'heroic' leitmotif in their themes as far as i know but i'll go into that another day
ok that's all jen you can continue-
gilded fossil
/ohhh
/okay so i jusst heard someone said that the more wl you have the brighter the navigation star be
/^ this
/uh, i am in cram school can someone please check? i really wanna know
gilded fossil
/yea
/that the stuff
Lvl 124
/i always moth pretend until very closse to reset so never know how it actually feels like to have 10 wedgies anyways
tender dune
so people say that pointer gets brighter the higher ur wl is?
gilded fossil
/i have fewer wedgies
so people say that pointer gets brighter the higher ur wl is?
/yea some dud said it i wanna make sure
gilded fossil
Also: implications of Tsadi being a twin, discuss
/his temple has a crack, maybe he was gonna be split but then mended toghether
Wedgies are the thing where you pull someone's underwear up
/wait no what huh aaaaaaaaah
/i
/have been wrong my whole life
/thank you for the enlightenment null
tender dune
sadly the crack is explained in old beta 
the crack is seen before medidation and after they medidate the shrine collapses in half exactly as the crack line
gilded fossil
/okay null your turn why is tsadi a twin
celest turtle
Any updates on sky story ?
gilded fossil
/ my heart said beta but my brain said boats
lethal stump
we don’t know this story, we’re just theorizing, friend :p
short owl
"Tale of two heros", one on each side of the war. One didn't make it.
celest turtle
@lethal stump I was trying to ask that, sorry !
gilded fossil
/ooooh
lethal stump
no need to apologize uwu
gilded fossil
/but why tsadi doesnt have split like samkheds
lethal stump
I suggest going over the theory doc, it’s constantly updated, there might be something new there you’ll enjoy ^^
celest turtle
@lethal stump thank you 😊
lethal stump
OwO
short owl
Two shrines were needed due to elder size... But one shrine was destroyed with the broken temple
gilded fossil
/ooooh
frail hearth
"Tale of two heros", one on each side of the war. One didn't make it.
maybe the guy next to the catapult?
gilded fossil
/im thinking maybe his twin lead the other side of the battle
/and then tsadi betrayed his brother
lethal stump
maybe tsadi was the king’s brother
tender dune
is this why we have diamond and sun shield? 
gilded fossil
/yess
maybe tsadi was the king’s brother
/ tsadi: no the nuke button's mine
king: mom said it's my turn on the nuke button
megan: tsadi give him the nuke button
/~~oh no aawkward ~~
modest finch
that could be a fun story, okay maybe, probably a dark story
bitter shale
huh... tsadi have a twin theory... are ya all talkin about the crack on their statue here?
tender dune
yep
bitter shale
im... more prefering the "Tsadi is King's brother" theory
in fact, what if all elders does have some kind of familiar connection with The king/prince?
i like the idea of Lamed being The King/prince maternal figure
Tsadi... big brother figure?
while... im not really sure about the rest of the Elders
short owl
I was not talking about the cracks. I was talking about the shields
bitter shale
oh, this?
or if its not, just tell me the exact location of the shield you reffering to.
i will take a picture of it
gilded fossil
/you happens to have vault mural for gw too?
/oh no maybe the constellation will do
bitter shale
oh the chibi oob? i didnt have a chance to take a picture of it-
gilded fossil
/the pentagon shape has the symbol of the diamond and not the sun
oh the chibi oob? i didnt have a chance to take a picture of it-
/ah nope, the oob with all the elders standing and bowing at you with all the cool murals around
bitter shale
yeahh that one
gilded fossil
/u gotta piggy back to get thêre
gilded fossil
/notice how tsadi is going toward the barricade and not from the barricade
/if he's fighting from the temple why do he need to go into the temple???
bitter shale
hmmm...
inside the temple is the vault right?
what if... they are barging to the vault?
huh
now
why woudl they do that
gilded fossil
/yea that's my question! i m verry curios
/also this pic also shows they only have spears
/the tomcepts depicts 2 types of weapons
bitter shale
you... are right. the shield in the mural and in GW temple have a different shape too
gilded fossil
/yea someone said that before me tho lol i wont take credit for that
last coyote
Y'all have seen ash sending the pictures of the moth cutscene right...did he mention where or how to get there or give any hints?
bitter shale
moth cutscene?
gilded fossil
/what? is that from beta???
last coyote
bitter shale
i just wnet online i have missed lot of stuff aaa
last coyote
No it's a location of that moth cutscene
gilded fossil
/ooooh yea that sorry i've been very warray of beta content
/floss you werent there??
tender dune
its home
bitter shale
werent where-
tender dune
its too windy to go there tho
gilded fossil
/ it was awkward i thought ash was a regular chatting dud
last coyote
Yeaa exactly
tender dune
i tried with my friends and we all get pushed
tender dune
you see the 2 islands at home behind vault? thats the area
last coyote
Did he get there as a normal player he looks like a player
Oh so it's that direction
ahhhh how does one get thereeee
bitter shale
that island?
under the cloud
man its night here, its too dark to take a picture lmao
last coyote
that's so far....
And the wind wall too
How does anyone..
I have so many questions
lethal stump
it was before tables were nerfed
gilded fossil
/ we need an oob channel srsly lemme go to wishlist chat for a sec
last coyote
:O ash said so?
bitter shale
i already trying to goes there with swimming, no result
gilded fossil
/nope, someone actually got there before the update
i already trying to goes there with swimming, no result
/jusst keep swimming
tender dune
we tried with table and it was hell xD maybe it needed more patience
last coyote
I guess there's no hope if it is before nerf😔😔
gilded fossil
/beefy what would you like to know about the island?
solar relic
i went with some friends and the windwalls were absolute hell
stronger winds than in eden
last coyote
How to get there of course
gilded fossil
/ ~~wait beefy sounds terrible ~~
solar relic
with the barriers rn it's pretty hard
gilded fossil
/i mean, you need anything from there or just for fun? since we have pics
last coyote
I have the pics! but I just wanted to find out how he got there
solar relic
i prefer pork
last coyote
Or she*
solar relic
table running
bitter shale
oh please send the pics here, i want to know!
solar relic
yeah ash is she
solar relic
i'm not well acquainted with table running but that was when you could still move tables when you were on it
last coyote
if it was down before nerf it probably impossible now
last coyote
I've table ran before but with wind walls rn it's impossible
last coyote
that is so sad:(
last coyote
When were the tables nerfed?
solar relic
forgot when the windwalls were enforced sorry
in the spirit's cutscene they lie down on it so yesh is bed
gilded fossil
/where was that
short owl
I believe wind walls got upgraded when the sanctuary area was added (not opened, just added)
bitter shale
@gilded fossil prairie village
uhhh its a door with this boat near
likely the center island?
lethal stump
that’s a twin sized at least
bitter shale
the room would be collosal for us at least-
lethal stump
like, an irl twin sized bed
gilded fossil
/why w e dont see many beds tho
bitter shale
here’s one of the concepts, it puts him at about 17’4 ft
credit to bricky
ah hello there bricky-
anywya
if the king is really that tall
short owl
So still smol compared to Krill
short owl
Brick has that
bitter shale
i recall someone already measuring the lenght of a krill here
i forgot who
lenght
legnht
nvm
tender dune
i think from krill anatomy drawing? but we cant post it since we're not the creator of that drawing
so better just link message
bitter shale
humm :/
lemme dig on it
short owl
Brick sent me this a while ago
hushed steeple
Oh wow
short owl
Alef is sky kid sized so you could use this to get a measurement based on length that translates to kings
frail hearth
jesus
short owl
Metric?
lethal stump
2 123.44 cm
frail hearth
WHAT
lethal stump
mes ?
lethal stump
damn
bitter shale
i wonder how much banana we need to bury a krill
gilded fossil
/i wonder how many crabs we need
bitter shale
a tons of it
lethal stump
- cough *
livid valley
round musk
What are those light orbs flying alongside the spirits as you ascend to orbit? The blue ones that turn gold if you fly near them
round musk
Oh ok thanks
hushed steeple
how was the krill length measured?
lethal stump
pixel measurements
hushed steeple
i mean isnt that susceptible to perspective distortions?
lethal stump
yeah, but it’s the best we have so far
unless tgc decides to give us like, legit length or something
hushed steeple
fair enough
lethal stump
having multiple people do it then finding an average would also be nice, but i have yet to find a group of 5-6 people willing to all count pixels and figure out length
i certainly wouldn’t
tender dune
school! 🧱 
sage hemlock
What would you call the light writings on the wall? scriptures, murals?
lethal stump
murals : D
sage hemlock
Thank you Bricky
inner comet
I wanna talk about the prophecy spirits about some theories but im not sure if that belongs here or the seasonal/beta chat
willow canyon
You can talk here I believe. NEVERMIND
lethal stump
nope
inner comet
ah thx
short owl
If it involves beta content, keep it out. If it is about lore, FEED ME YOUR THEORIES
inner comet
What?
lethal stump
if you got information from beta, it stays in beta channels
inner comet
OKAY HERE
short owl
note first is more important than seconf
lethal stump
where are you getting this info, Taiga
is it from beta ?
or only what we’ve seen so far for non-beta ?
steady geyser
hello, can we talk about beta content here or not?
solar relic
beta stays in beta until it goes live,,, which is not any time soon
steady geyser
aight ty
inner comet
basically i think the prophecy spirits are actually scholars but lamed sent them to guide/teach new spirits,,(i think thoes are spirits have still died or smth and their teaching them basic communication,just like us when we are moffs)
Thats stupid idk okay 
short owl
Basic commun... Didn't we see a thing earlier about the devs wanting to set up a more comprehensive communication system using body language
And then Dance 3 and 4 both are used similar to instruments...
Taigaaaa, that's not an unsupported theory
inner comet
Maybe thoes are students???
short owl
It would also fit the "new gameplay challenges" comment in the new season description
tender dune
y'all need to remove that 
it sounds like a rejection
inner comet
No its fine lmao
short owl
i had a non lore thought bc of this... Whoops.
willow canyon
Is the tower that we go through in orbit supposed to be the ruins of the star castle that our ancestors fell from?
inner comet
Off topic but how do u do that crossed out text
tender dune
double
short owl
~~like this but not breaking them like I did~~
lethal stump
Is the tower that we go through in orbit supposed to be the ruins of the star castle that our ancestors fell from?
it’s the eden castle, the elders didn’t fall from there
willow canyon
So they fell from the sky then 
lethal stump
they fell from above the clouds, yes
we see this in the intro mural
they fell to the clouds
most people think they fell from orbit
kind moat
hello lore gang. what we discussing
hushed steeple
Surprised ppl aren't talking abt beta
lethal stump
we’re not supposed to
sinful anvil
am i allowed to talk about past beta?
lethal stump
beta content stays in beta channels
sinful anvil
like Light Awaits or pre global sky
sinful anvil
is lamed standing all the way in vault cutscene?
lethal stump
ye
wintry tiger
sinful anvil
ah … meh. i was thinking about skykids stances
tender dune
we know?
solar relic
they are not canon but we can still use them
tender dune
we use them here a lot tho
lethal stump
it’s easier than « Elder of the Vault » or « Vault elder » or w/e
tender dune
yep
solar relic
daleth is easier than 'that elder with the cracked mask of the place with a lot of water'
exaggerated but i think you get the point
lethal stump
ah … meh. i was thinking about skykids stances
@sinful anvil but anyways back to this, what were you thinkin of
sinful anvil
mm was lamed sitting in light awaits while showing the murals (ie after letting skykid yeet up the light)
lethal stump
nope, she’s standing iirc
sinful anvil
i noticed lamed’s stance is different in pre global/beta sky but betas are not allowed
bummer
sinful anvil
well while she is sitting when allowing the skykid to yeet up the light she was kinda kneeling, sitting with folded knees. notice thats skykid’s normal sitting stance (when ur afk in normal stance)
their stances are lowkey same huehuehue
(narrator is lamed 2k20)
hushed steeple
ok i make these rlly dumb theories and like jokes abt the skky kids but i have a new one habejf
solar relic
maybe skids naturally have lamed energy
i mean, at least i think i do
tender dune
you mean like this palechild?
lethal stump
her old cutscene is here at 3:10:20
https://youtu.be/bQTH0bLyvh4
hushed steeple
you know when our charecters scratch their head sometimes when you stand still?? well you know when you scratches wax some comes off uhhhh, what if when they scratch their head wax comes off bc we made of wax 
f in the chat for sky child
sinful anvil
you mean like this palechild?
@tender dune yeah except in the beginning ish when she isnt looking up
tender dune
ahh
sinful anvil
but idea’s the same. her knees are folded like loafing just like skids
tender dune
is it possible that her body is the one in stormlock?
sinful anvil
(looks like i dont need beta to explain after all. whew)
lethal stump
the stormlock body is too smol
tender dune
👌
lethal stump
and the way the clothes look, it ain’t like her robe
tender dune
would a robe even survive that
lethal stump
skid’s do
sinful anvil
our capes are torn tho
from light waits
yes this is what i was talking about! (so its not from beta after all) afk stance
tender dune
interesting
sinful anvil
loafmed
bleak basin
We cant visit elders anymore
tender dune
u think the boat we see in stormlock used to belong to the prince?
lethal stump
there is no boat in stormlock
lethal stump
where in eden ?
tender dune
Was going to speedrun disneyland but got that thought
lethal stump
ohhh
tender dune
i mean this boat is different than the others we see in the realms too
its flatter i think and thicker
sadly no table to oob like a pro
also lots of krill dust surrounding it
lethal stump
that dust just follows you
hushed steeple
There are many of those
tender dune
ah
hushed steeple
Those boats don't have paddles
lethal stump
no matter where u are in eden, it’s always there
hushed steeple
I assume those are used for traveling on water...
tender dune
probably
tender dune
yeah
frail hearth
flying
glad forge
M A G I C
tender dune
kinda strange finding a boat in a mountain
emote cutscene
frail hearth
power diamonds™️
lethal stump
well
what kinda mountain was eden before it was wrecked ?
if it was a normal mountain, then there could have been a stream from a glacier or something
we do see hints of a river system in forest
and rivers don’t just stop
tender dune
im just thinking of boats going down a mountain like yeet
short owl
There could also have been a resource worth draging water along for
signal temple
lethal stump
yes
and there’s also lots of water in wasteland, which seems like a basin of some sort, i’m betting it’s drain-off from eden and valley considering the volume
tender dune
trying to imagine eden mountain gives me a headache ngl
undone harbor
Forest water looks fresh doe
lethal stump
yes
and there’s also precipitation from wasteland possibly
undone harbor
Maybe it was made like real rain
hushed steeple
It's the rain there which is only toxic... Only toxic for skykids
undone harbor
It just bonk our heads with rain
Wasteland might be like Forest at some point
Full of water
Then pollution came and bam
I don't understand how an entire ocean(or sea idk) can be that polluted
And how ark geography even works is a question
warm bluff
I never realized how Ayin and Tsadi are built the same but they’re like polar opposites. Praries is a nice place and stuff filled with light and very welcoming but wasteland is filled with lots of dark and stuff
Dark creatures*
tender dune
here
spring blaze
as long as theres no beta spoilers
tender dune
as long as it doesnt contain the beta stuff
frank hazel
Oh
lethal stump
beta content stays in beta channels
lyric isle
I’ve seen a few Beta spoilers by accident and let me tell you
we’re going to have lots of fun here
warm breach
hMmMmMMM-
lyric isle
trust me I’ve seen very little out of context but I can imagine we’ll have a field day
anyway
frail hearth
shout out to the #wishlist-and-ideas-archived people for not spoilering their ideas
lethal stump
lyric isle
hhhhhh
sinful anvil
i wouldve been excited for prophecy if not for the irl hw
are adjectives describing this season a spoiler?? either way im right now
lyric isle
Current mental state is (gladly) suppressed stress, then calmness, then this
then more screaming regarding Prophecy
I want to say so much
warm breach
||I have beta but hw||
woven perch
please dont tease other members about stuff you cant say
lyric isle
Thank you for the reminder.
tender dune
im laughing so hard at the vid
lyric isle
I’m very happy but also feeling weird dread at TS in this indescribable way and for no reason I know
tender dune
but yeah what giccix said that teasing will end up giving us more spoilers here. from ppl....
lyric isle
Thank you for letting me know.
(Excited brain, shut up.)
sand abyss
probably for the best on not spoiling beta things here~
tender dune
y e s
tender dune
yes
lyric isle
ah
They seem to be used to keep things in the air
though Vault is
at least I observe hallucinatory
hushed steeple
Wait is that pic from the flying race?
lyric isle
Yes.
tender dune
so i went to die in eden, and due to a bug i think, the hugger child wasn't very shiny and bright. so i was able to take upclose pictures of him. Im surprised it doesnt have a heart stone ((which makes me think that the child we hug is-))
the rock heart that we have
sinful anvil
why did they edit the eden light child though
tender dune
what?
sinful anvil
hey the eden light child also has closed eyes and eyelashes
tender dune
ah
sinful anvil
why did they edit the eden child to b not shiny
tender dune
i think its from the texture bug after the update tbh (i think he's supposed to be shiny like how we always saw him as)
the closed eyes and eyelashes is probs because the stone is literally our innerself so it wont make sense if it looked like someone else
lethal stump
i like this more than shiny, i hope it stays 
tender dune
makes me think that this supports the person who said here about how darkness and light balance each other inside us (like how when we lose light but not 100% the flame icon will go back up because the darkness that was feeding in us wanted to keep us alive and so on)
it was a nice theory
can't remember who said it Edit: its Null!!
which makes me think that maybe it wasn't darkness that was feeding off the light in us
maybe we who are supposed to be dark, were inserted with the Col rock which made us have light 'within us'. which is why we are different from other humanoids there
short owl
"Darkness that was feeding on it" was def me
tender dune
so maybe we originally are that dark child in my pic and with the rock it was able to make us light again (indifferent/connected theory intensifies)
short owl
I know bc 1. I remember it, and 2. It's a signiture mix of wholesome and messed up
tender dune
i like that theory
short owl
#lore-discussion-spoilers message found it
tender dune
This is what i mean
the diamond icon forcefully lights us up to flame icon [bottom] (so its trying to keep us alive), [top left] we are flameless so its basically like when we're in the dark room (dark core heart). [top right] when we touch a flame we get our wings and our heart lights up again
inner comet
Bruh why does prophecy give me avatar vibes
indigo scarab
A neat detail is that when you hold your candle out, the light in your torso isin’t visible until you put it away
tender dune
yes
which concludes my theory that the dark room we see when we die is possibly the stone light in our torso
sinful anvil
know why we pat our chest when putting away the candle?
bleak basin
We cant tell anything from beta am im like** there is so much lore**
tender dune
yes and please stop teasing us unknowledgeable ones about it...
tender dune
#beta-discussion ???
sinful anvil
what makes the shh spirit have a ticking sound when he shushes?
indigo scarab
Returning the light to themselves
tender dune
what makes the shh spirit have a ticking sound when he shushes?
unsure
willow canyon
Maybe the ticking noise is the silent sound of a clock.
inner comet
Water
Earth
Fire
Air
Long ago,the four nations lived together in harmony. Then,everything changed when resh attacked.
only the skykid,master of all four elements could stop him. But when the world needed him most,they vanished
A hundred years passed and my brother and i discovered the new skykid, a kid named hjonk
IM SORRY
tender dune
bye 👋 i need to sleep..
indigo scarab
Cyaa
short owl
Sweet thought: what if the reason why we stand up and look at the diamond is cause the diamond knocked out OUR light and while we deliver the borrowed ones faithfully, That One is OURS and we WILL take it back? The implication is that we fly through the storm in lil spark form looking for that one specifically and don't rest until we find it. Then we just kinda dark kid up and form our normal shell around it so we can bring it to where light is meant to go. That search means we are too tired to fly as well as the others, but that our light kid has enough energy to fly at all.
bleak basin
coughs
cold steppe
@thin kiln please don't post beta content in non-beta channels
we can't talk about the new content until it hits live
hushed steeple
why those four elements?
primal verge
How do you go null in home space tho
hushed steeple
by dropping really fast
inner comet
fly and use all ur energy and drop down on a slope
primal verge
Alright, gonna go die now. Brb
hushed steeple
AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH i accidentally clicked beta vids and my experience is ruinnnedddd
primal verge
It's ok, you're not alone
Im dying to discuss with y'all the things I saw but beta stays in beta
silver sequoia
What do you guys think of the red rocks in Eden?
lethal stump
i think they’re rude
silver sequoia
Okay valid Bricky
short owl
Frozen gasses from the air which sap large amounts of heat as they instantly sublimate upon impact
For the falling ones anyway. The ones that are just sitting there are just like any other conductive material, but something is drawing power from them more efficiently than anything we have ever created
solemn olive
i think they’re rude
Same lol
boreal nebula
her old cutscene is here at 3:10:20
https://youtu.be/bQTH0bLyvh4
@lethal stump The other day someone left a picture in #beta-screenshots-videos which seemed odd to me and my friend.
Thanks for the video. Now, after I watched the first 7min, I finally understad those strange pickable lights
fallow tartan
Sorry I've been silent for the past couple of days! I saw smth in the valley and I kept forgetting to take a picture of it to show you guys!
sinful anvil
ok for a private fic i wanna know is the concept art for the prince inside the king (aka mech suit) official??? like 100% intended by the devs???
like is it just the artist’s drawing like haha imagination go brr, or was it part of the original timeline before getting scrapped
aka i need to know if the prince is eternally a child then later took on a mech suit to appear king
anyone pls
solemn olive
Do you mean the thing in the ||office||?
sinful anvil
no
wait ima dig thru bricky’s king compil
was this planned as part of the scrapped concept???
like there are other art just showing the king but this one seems to b the only one so far
inner comet
Why is it when i see the king's concept art i imagine him as a giant building
sinful anvil
same but so far this is the only i found that shows him as a mech suit
the question is should i take this into acct?
inner comet
Well there aint any eden elder in the game itself so feel free to use his concepts
sinful anvil
should i take this one into acct
im deciding whether to write him as he really matured into a king or he has a childlike streak that hints this giant physique may be a disguise
inner comet
Well tbh
The prince is the king, hes just weaker and smaller compared to the other elders so he made this mech(?) Suit as something to seem more threatening?
Same person, diffrent bodies
short owl
or if you follow Brick and my nonsense, the suit is explicitly for krill tummy rubs
sinful anvil
due to skykids, i often interpet his smaller physique as a sign of a child, which leads to me thinking he adheres to things relating childhood and thus he may never grow up similarly to human development or maturing
null so you think that is a mech suit
inner comet
It seems like it
sinful anvil
actually both of u think its a mech suit, ok
inner comet
If you look at the kings head theres a prince silhouette
sinful anvil
yes but that seems to b the only art stating so
most other arts just show a king without sihouette
inner comet
sinful anvil
that closes off a lot of things. now i wonder whether the prince developmentally grew up to be able to think like older elders
short owl
Tbh I think it is more his mask growing out of control and he has to levitate it in order to move at all
But for the sake of Brick's theory, Mech suit created for krill belly rubs
inner comet
The king suit seems way too big compared to the prince so id assume he had alot of trouble controlling it
inner comet
Its obvious bc he wanted to seem bigger yknow
Wait
who made the suit then
I dont think the prince made it himself bc cmon hes an ant compared to it
brisk lake
What if krill are the literal incarnates of “you aren’t you when you’re hungry” and they’re actually creatures of light... just burned out for such a long time that they permanently lost their focus and are constantly desperately searching for light...
fallow tartan
Okay quick theory, two things in valley that made me go: ???
First, how'd this boat (and possibly others) get under the ice?
Also, how did they cut a mountain in half??
Like we know there are factories, and diamonds, but I'm not sure what the ancestors could've used
potent basalt
This can be a natural formation Because Titanic plates can shift causing an earthquake which could theoretically split a mountain in half.
fallow tartan
Ah, I didn't think about that! It's been a while since I studied earth science haha
fallow tartan
Fr fr I'm in art school now tho so I basically tossed half of that info outta my head lol
I guess that means the boats are probably under the ice for similar reasons maybe?
Not with plates but like
Maybe the ice used to be lower? That's why there's a small snowy ramp up to the platform. And then after the ancestors had all perished, climate might've changed a little or smth like that and that may explain why there's boats under and stuck in the ice.
So basically science I guess
spring blaze
i wonder what other secrets are buried under the snow
silver sequoia
...I just made a headcanon that all the lore theorists hang out at the vault until further notice.
lethal stump
null for the record i have scrapped my belief in the mech in my theory
i will retain it for fanfic nonsense
indigo scarab
Were crabs once light creatures
lethal stump
but in my Serious Big Brain Theory
the prince/king is just a tiny salty 14 year old who makes statues bigger than he is
we don’t know
what we DO know about crabs is that their walk cycle has something to do with how they’re made 
indigo scarab
Ye
It just popped into my mind since ive been looking at petrified spirits & skykids.
burnt drum
First, how'd this boat (and possibly others) get under the ice?
@fallow tartan
i thought that was a dark hand gonna grab that Sky Kid. and eat it—
lethal stump
@arctic turret beta content stays in beta channels
arctic turret
ACK SORRY
lethal stump
^^
kind bobcat
But yes, the pendant is the same.
arctic turret
I totally forgot
fossil oxide
guys....
i was wondering why beta content stays in beta
after all we dont spoiler tag stuff here
frail hearth
bruh
silver sequoia
Because it's not official
silver sequoia
It's fine.
As much as we would love to talk about it, it's not live. As such, we don't use as beta is susceptible to changes
fossil oxide
hey guys i think the "spider" is a scarab beetle.....
since the season seems to be egyptian
desert check
lethal stump
it’s a spider, Reika said so
frail hearth
huh
fossil oxide
a spider with 6 legs?
lethal stump
a crab with 4 legs >_>
this game isn’t exactly accurate to irl
fossil oxide
no.... 6 legs
lethal stump
no im not saying it has 6, im saying this game also has « crabs » with 4 legs
fossil oxide
ohhhhh
no im not saying it has 6, im saying this game also has « crabs » with 4 legs
@lethal stump i just saw this
lethal stump
no need to ping
autumn basin
Does anyone know what the writings on isle mean?
lethal stump
the murals ? they’re up to interpretation
lethal stump
plenty, i can’t summarize them all
autumn basin
:o
silver sequoia
I have the mental image of the lore children having notes on everything and they write about anything and everything possible
lethal stump
theres 156k members in the server
lethal stump
not really
fossil oxide
u know 156k lore moffs would officially mean really cold lore moffs
which could like go against the fire theme.....
of sky
lethal stump
oof
fossil oxide
oooh
the lore moffs got a bit warmer
wait if more ppl join the chat the community gets warmer
somehow makes sense in a weird way
pine jackal
There looks to be lots of new lore in the new season
short owl
Hey guys ||I have a new poop theory: It's' the entire wasteland||
pine jackal
Without spoiling anything for non beta players, there seems to be lots of emphasis on wisdom, and some images looked like spells
Is it okay if I put a screenshot or wait until release?
lethal stump
if you got any of that from beta, you should delete your comment, @pine jackal
going through the live updates, i don’t see what you’re referring to
silver sequoia
Yeah, I'd say wait for the live update
pine jackal
Okay!
thorn trout
So I missed a lot but
King is actually tiny prince in mech suit headcanon?????
solar relic
headcanon derived from that one concept art yes
pale kestrel
Lore be:
bitter shale
So the king is some kind of transformer then
kind bobcat
gundam
solar relic
get in the king mech suit shinji- i mean king
bitter shale
Aw hell yeah
green tartan
I heard gundam-
solar relic
o has anyone done research on what the mask animals symbolise?
solar relic
even if you spoiler tag it you still need to delete it
hushed steeple
who is Pyre | Fan of the Aeldari? i remember Pyre..
lethal stump
same person i believe
hushed steeple
ohhh ok
hushed steeple
o has anyone done research on what the mask animals symbolise?
what mask animals?
alpine geyser
I feel better to use beta channel for these
sinful anvil
Hey bc i have just gone into lore chat, the beta comments line up first bc these are classified as unread msgs. I recommend deleting them in consideration of users entering lore chat without knowing some betas are mentioned
lethal stump
wdym ?
solar relic
what mask animals?
the ones in the teaser
turtle, spider, bat, lion
i wonder if they have any meanings behind why these specific animals were used, like what would they symbolise that could help in the context of the season?
lethal stump
hello, new here ?
Hello new Lore Moff!
Read this short document to get started! Once you’ve read this, check out pins for more information. 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18B1-SKG3toG0oH0VhOWC5o-cG9u0STAN92QvmbhTDto/edit
shy talon
just finished reading most of the lore docs 
silver sequoia
Should I write a fic when the next season comes out?
solar relic
i mean you can write the fic whenever, but it should go in #completed-sky-fanart-and-creations unless you want to present it as a theory/for lore discussion
bitter shale
A fic?
Why, please do! But you cant post it in lore channel
It goes to #completed-sky-fanart-and-creations
silver sequoia
I know, I will.
bitter shale
Good luck!
tender dune
o has anyone done research on what the mask animals symbolise?
Not really cuz i dunno how deep tgc goes in lore
mellow sable
I think the masks symbolize the quality of the prophet
patience, strength, balance and resilience
turtle, lion, bat and spider respectively
digital willow
You mean goat, lion, bat, spider?
hushed steeple
YES YES!
FEED ME WITH MORE OF YOUR THEORIES!!!
You mean goat, lion, bat, spider?
@digital willow It's not a goat. It's a turtle
peak ore
all of that is from beta... isn't allowed?
peak ore
yeah it's some in the teaser but till wich point
kindred oar
Unless you guys are talking about the teaser then it's fine i think
peak ore
there are just sculptures with animal head form and that's all in the teaser... relate that to other element as fact would be not allowed ig
peak ore
the sculptures in the teaser?
gilded fossil
/oh yea sorry i forrgot that's in the teaser
/ ~~i got triggered over the slightest thing sorry ~~
tender dune
We discussed the masks in the teaser vid with reika here before thats why we say turtle, lion, bat, spider
gilded fossil
/reika said they have sth in common
peak ore
oh the word that bugged me was calling them masks but yeah reika said there where masks days ago
dim maple
So all the portals in Home have a face or mask belonging to the elder of that realm, except for the door to Eden, which has 5 masks. Why not 6 (one per portal)? It looks like the isle mask is missing, but that mask also looks like the base skykid mask. What gives?
tender dune
We dont know. There are many theories why
The boring theory answer is that they didn't add isle elder to eden gate because isle wasn't counted as a real world (it was only a tutorial) so they didn't add him [which i disagree because isle is important]
thin dirge
Especially with the upcoming Season!
smoky orbit
the isle is finally getting the recognition it deserves 🙂
thin dirge
Am I the only one who thought Isle was actually very pretty?
solar relic
yeah in pre-global it was a tutorial level and they probably brought over the same gate from there
but that brings up the question: why haven't they added the mask? is it low-priority or is there a lore answer for that?
tender dune
One of my theories about the eden gate
https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/632004389137154048/745606961705517067
thin dirge
Maybe they did bat cause... October-
solar relic
????
thin dirge
Oh boy, if thats what the Season is about-
Idk, why is wisdom important with the new Season?
hushed steeple
beta content...nvm 
solar relic
thank you
(beta is subjected to change and thus shouldn't be used until it comes to live, when it is polished as the final product)
solar relic
(xerozz, please delete your earlier comment too as i think it is about beta as well)
it is filled with mysteries indeed
solar relic
it's ok 
i'm not very sure either though because i'm not in beta
boreal nebula
So all the portals in Home have a face or mask belonging to the elder of that realm, except for the door to Eden, which has 5 masks. Why not 6 (one per portal)? It looks like the isle mask is missing, but that mask also looks like the base skykid mask. What gives?
@dim maple my theory (which seem stronger after I wayched the LightAwaits beta video and how they changed the Isle Elder's cutscene) is that he is coming (exhausted and broken) from Eden because he had a role in shielding the other 5 Elders while they left the place they couldn't save. The storm was getting bigger or something and he had to protect a small gap to let them out but repel the storm inside containment (you shall not pass). And after te 5 got away, they had to accept his sacrifice and finally sealed the storm
edgy sequoia
?
boreal nebula
This can be a natural formation Because Titanic plates can shift causing an earthquake which could theoretically split a mountain in half.
Titanic Plates: famous for splitting in half and sinking into the ocean, not to confuse with their cousins, Tectonic Plates
fossil oxide
yeah.....
evidence
pls
sounds more like fanfic......
my theory (which seem stronger after I wayched the LightAwaits beta video and how they changed the Isle Elder's cutscene) is that he is coming (exhausted and broken) from Eden because he had a role in shielding the other 5 Elders while they left the place they couldn't save. The storm was getting bigger or something and he had to protect a small gap to let them out but repel the storm inside containment (you shall not pass). And after te 5 got away, they had to accept his sacrifice and finally sealed the storm
@boreal nebula this
boreal nebula
After all his Realm, Isle, is the furthest from Eden. Daleth had to sacrifice, the other Realms needed their Elders in order to not succumb to the darkness like Eden was, Daleth was expedable (or rather, he was the oldest while the younger had lot to live). If for example Lamed would have left Vault unguarded, all its wisdom and all its light would have perished and the Storm will have been stronger on Wasteland
...hope I was clear 😅
fossil oxide
yes i get why daleth but why a sacrifice
meh i guess
u explained enough
hey guys u remember the huge bird the rhythm guys flew away on?
we need a scientific name for that
in here
boreal nebula
Well. Maybe sacrifice is a big word... After all they seems to have just their ethereal form, maybe because since they're Fallen Stars, they don't have a mortal life and thus can still appear to us
With we re living some memories of them
Does anybody have a picture of the rythym bird? I was playing backthen
lyric isle
I have this random segment in my gallery
solar relic
i headcanon that's the questgiver themself
boreal nebula
My opinion on shiny boy now being less bright was: it all intentional...
..UNTIL I hugged him with my hand on his neck instead of around hos shoulders!
The unalignement BUG is disturbing 
solar relic
i wonder if it was a for a lore related that eden shiny boi isn't golden anymore
fossil oxide
sooooo
we could do the genus of the Changyuraptor....
looked like this...
the genus is....
drumroll....
Changyuraptor
just in case you are wodering what this is all about #lore-discussion-spoilers message
we are giving the 4 winged rhythm end cutscene bird a scientific name !!!!!!!
since lore chat seems to be hibernating right now
pls think of an adjective to describe the rhythm end cutscene bird and run it through a latin translator
just type "latin translator" in to google and google will do the rest
remember: latin
not greek
latin
hushed steeple
what is that?
lyric isle
use a good dictionary that specifies word context
fossil oxide
luckily if many ppl do this we will have many different words
and the scientific name will come out like Changyuraptor something
hushed steeple
fossil oxide
latin is a language
hushed steeple
so?
primal verge
avem tripudium - dancing bird
fossil oxide
and we are making a scientific name for this list https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Iz8D_RX3DFQ_fI07ZmjM6eFCWR-0ELhOC2nUKBdYAqg/edit
tripudium works
but the genus is Changyuraptor
lyric isle
Maiestatis or something
Majestic
lyric isle
is it a masculine noun
primal verge
Agnus aquilae
Rythm eagle
lyric isle
ye it is masculine
lyric isle
oh boy
primal verge
Idk i feel like we can brainstorm a bit further
lyric isle
Maiestatis was somewhat a joke but
lyric isle
hoW DO YOU CONVERT NOUNS TO ADJECTIVES AGAIN
fossil oxide
navis
lyric isle
b o a t
fossil oxide
hoW DO YOU CONVERT NOUNS TO ADJECTIVES AGAIN
@lyric isle i have no idea
primal verge
aurea filii aquilae
Gold Eagle
primal verge
Oh only 1 word?! ((( i wanted to give that bird a nickname too
primal verge
It's tail kindalooks like a fish tail and head reminds me of an eagle
lyric isle
ok apparently it’s some sort of affixing I have no idea of the specifications of
primal verge
💡 idea
fossil oxide
fire away folks
lyric isle
Tripudium.
fossil oxide
we r not voting yet
red vortex
Hey there
primal verge
Mareaquilae
Sea eagle
lyric isle
Of everything I imagined I’d be doing this morning in free time it was not coming up with binomina
fossil oxide
aquilae aurea modum maiestatis tripudium navis
night over here
ok no fresh ideas then
lets vote
lyric isle
golden rhythm majestic dancing ship bird
primal verge
Aurea - just gold?
primal verge
I don't like my own idea anymore tho, its not entirely gold(
fossil oxide
ok then withdraw
aquilae modum maiestatis tripudium navis
we need to vote again
2 votes each
aquilae and tripudium
1 vote each
lyric isle
It is tripudium
primal verge
Tripudium as if joy?
fossil oxide
as in dance
lyric isle
Imma conjugate saltāre quickly hhhh give me a second
lyric isle
Saltāns