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Yeah
sorry
lore season next lets GOOOO
Oh yes
remember to keep hype in #seasons-events-chat
Anyone tell me about tuna king is it a theory?
Tuna King is just a fan name for 


stan tuna king ❤️
mmm tuna
Tuna King is just a fan name for
@lethal stump oh okay
Yeah from the final cutscene
Ummm, then delete this
Final cutscene isn't in the live yet, and you can't post anything beta here 😊
But actually looks beautiful
Thanks!
It’s beta content
Whatever they posted should remain in beta channels
Remember that all beta content is subject to change and is not official, nor is it safe to go off of for lore
I just realised chibis can blink,,,,
chibis also close their eyes in certain poses (e.g. wise stance's crouch, i believe), but i'm not too sure what to make of it from a lore angle 
sneep from cough enchantment
Its so terrifying lmao
Chibis dont really blink unless their doing a specific emote or playing music
ahahahah what if the season is in wastelanf
they are royals and umm gw has ALOT of king propagandq
we don’t know if the spirits are royal
Honestly
that’s simply a guess on some people’s part
It woould be really funny if they just thrown it in isle
like everyone is like this has to be in vault
We....... Don't know
that’s simply a guess on some people’s part
@lethal stump
they at least look royal though
Chibis also semi-close their eyes in the prayer and falling asleep expressions ^v^
And they close one eye in the ‘just took a screenshot’ pose
royal rebels 
i hope theres a krill call

Idk if it can be in isle tho??? Its like a tutorial realm and thats about it
They need to put a barrier there then
Well,I also believe that there will be 4 spirits and 1 questgiver. That's why only 5 in the art.
Since or else all moths are just going to run in there
there’s always 6 spirits and 1 quest giver in a season
ye
Maybe its just the concepts
Part of the intrigue of this is that there’s 2 characters missing
Well, they never said they won't change it
wait is it?
there are plenty of hidden areas in isle, and even a few barriers, there's also a tall cliff that takes a while to get up with nothing but a crashed ship at the top
Idk if it can be in isle tho??? Its like a tutorial realm and thats about it
@inner comet
i mean there was the cave with three lights and boat in isle from a past season soo anything is possible
That was for a season
Wasnt that in rhythm?
yeah
Lightseekers
I also like the theory that these could be permeant spirits that will be in past seasonal areas
there are plenty of hidden areas in isle, and even a few barriers, there's also a tall cliff that takes a while to get up with nothing but a crashed ship at the top
@tender trail
ooo maybe they are from another place and crashed at isle
Well lightseekers/rhytm were scattered across the realms execpt having an area for them so maybe thats why theres a cave
We don’t know the season name
^^^
oof
season ap08 of course
Ap08 season yes
i call it season of prophecy because bEwArE oF tHe ProPHecY
samee
No, please, I'm saying it a millionth time, look at the file name of the image it says Ap8 which means adventure pass 8. Tgc calls seasons as adventure pass.
Q.Why 8th? Next season shoulve been 7th?
A.They include the winter season in the count
@tender trail
I also heard it was gonna be in vault?????
I also heard it was gonna be in vault?????
@inner comet
uhmm it haven't been announced
no confirmed location of the new season
We don’t know where it’s going to be
Let's wait and see
in beta or live , none .
What is confirmed:
There is something upcoming that involves 5 spirits
All of the spirits appear to have stone animal masks, but are facing away from us
These spirits will have something to do with a prophecy
W H A T
also, if this is a season, it could have scattered spirits like the season of lightseekers
what if the middle spirit carries the prophecy to the king 😎
I think there are 5 Spirits(4 + 1 questgiver) cause it there were 7 as usual why would they not mention two in the art.????
Maybe as someone said "they crashed in isle" and maybe they are now the chosen ones ? Or smth
I mean based off there looks they look like travellers/scholars plus its called "prophecy" which kinda gives off vault vibes yaknow
i think it could be scattered
considering that all of their clothes are different
sending this again to everyone who's just joining us
- we don't know when this takes place
- we don't know where this takes place
- we don't know the prophecy and why we should be beware
- we don’t know the season name
- we don’t know the season pendant
enjoy theorising
[Credits to res]
In past seasons, there was always one spirit per realm
yeehaw 😎
Well sky is like somewhat of an unfinished game right?
Sky is constantly in development and changing
my eyes
Wait, its a carpet?
Looks like one
we don't know, it could be
A flying carpet 
Unsure ren
That's what I think is the most sensible option
To me, it looks like a scroll
To me its a carpet (like campfire)
The stone masks look very ceremonial
It's too big for a scroll, and perfect size for a carpet
Not denying, but I think what I think
that spirit is on the middle so maybe they are " leading " ?
What if it's a cute picnic mat, which we lay on the ground and then we can chat on it!
Could be a tapastry used like a carpet
What if it's a cute picnic mat, which we lay on the ground and then we can chat on it!
@broken basin
watch me live my cottagecore dream in sunny forest 😎
A map?
please remember that non-lore speculation goes in #seasons-events-chat
Hm maybe this isnt a season and it has something related with days of summer lights?
Since tgc doesnt announce seasons that early
it is a season and it isn't related to the summer lights event
It’s highly likely to be a season
ap08 ap08
summer lights is a small event , why would they add spirits and such big things like this ?
Hmmm
i'm thinking that for the focus of the season it'll be finding whoever else isn't in the promotional art unless they'll be adding images of the other 2 in future updates
maybe finding...pieces of them...
- glances at king *
i mean they always make it 6 spirits with a new place and that would be weird if Tgc went back to the old way???? They are developing the game soooo
they're changing things up perhaps
this season probably will be very much different from previous seasons as it may focus much more on lore
it's also possible that some of the spirits might just not be finished yet
previous seasons have not been so lore heavy, they were mostly for worldbuilding instead
I don’t understand messing up the theme of 7 for a lore season
Don’t you think it would make sense to keep the theme of 7 since 7 is a very important number in sky ?
I feel like there’s two spirits missing on purpose
ultimate hide and seek game, let's go
Take this as a pinch of an atom
But Sky didn't start with seven. It started with eight
I like where this is going
Two Samekh
My personal prediction about this season is that for every quest the player completes (either finding spirits, or something in the vein of sanctuary bells and enchantment lights) there will be a cutscene in which a line of "the prophecy" is revealed, I suspect it will be very vague, but give us lots of fun hints
Valley elders count as 1 elder
@late sigil Please keep beta content in beta channels
ah sorry
Imagine having to get them in eden lmao
I think adding spirits to eden would detract from its intended purpose
I would imagine an eden season would be largely in a sheltered area
That way it's kinder to moths
Imagine the season is in orbit and you have to die to access the seasonal area 
Does anyone know where to see old blue eden with the floating bodies? 
Wait why does the lantern in SL come with a pendant?
I believe it's in the pins somewhere?
Stop asking beta content here.
Is it weird that the Elder names disorientate me slightly because of the differences between names of letters in Hebrew and Yiddish
Though probably irrelevant, I’m just saying
though it’s...a bit of a way to remember
“Ayin for the Elder, Ayen for the letter”
Voluntary, I think that's actually where the names came from
Can someone please tell stop asking and telling beta content here
Exactly
It is where they came from
it just confuses me a bit as this
self-taught Yiddish student to confess
but I’ve gotten used to it now
Which chart is hebrew and which is yiddish ?
Top is Hebrew
When it comes to hebrew letter names, I have a chart that shows something different
I think it just depends on where you got your info
Kind of a difference is that Yiddish has certain letters only used in Hebrew “loshn-koydesh” (literally ‘holy tongue’) loanwords
Ye, this chart is only the letters
not their significances
This is the one I’ve been using. Even then, the letters are spelt differently
There are...several ways (apparently)
Yes
But the way the concepts spell them is the old concept-canon way
which is why people spelling it ‘Aleph’ annoy me sometimes cause the devs specifically spelt it ‘Alef’
I think why tgc posted a teaser showing all Cosmetics this early cause they want us to realise that cosmetics aren't the most important part of a season, they are just a side thing. Most people don't think this way. They showed the Cosmetics this early Just to say that they aren't the most important thing
([letter] Sophith? I only know Langer [letter])
I believe it's in the pins somewhere?
@short owl can't find it
Alef literally sounds like the first letter in the arabic alphabet (أ)
Yes, because Alpha, Alef, and Aleph all come from the same root letter
‘Alph’ is where they come from, which is the Phoenician first letter of the alphabet
Yes.
and then latin was boring and called it « Ay »
it’s all ✨related✨
But anyways, it’s important to remember that the names are no longer canon, so any connections with them should be taken with a grain or two of salt
Okay but why dont they use them anymore??
Elders have names?
They used to, they’re nameless now
it's too much of a connection to real life culture
Isle: Daleth (ד)
Prairie: Ayin (ע)
Forest: Teth (ט)
Valley: Samekh (ס)
Wasteland: Tsadi (צ)
Vault: Lamed (ל)
Prince/Not Corrupt King: Alef (א)
Corrupt King: Resh (ר)
PLEASE NOTE: These names have appeared in concept art and are often used when referring to the elders. They are no longer canon, they are fanon.
Woah
Only one valley name and a prince and king? I
How did I end up here?
Valley elders count as 1 elder
Maybe its because their like high class so calling them "___ elder" is out of respect?
And yes there’s a prince and king
Ok so, any ideas where the next season will take place?
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Oki
I though that prince wasn't canon anymore
@primal verge take that to #seasons-events-chat
Hah, Noodle, funny story, that’s a claim with 0 evidence
Is the news prophecy even a new season? no season has had only 5 spirits, nor been announced during another season
all right i'm gonna copypaste my explanation again
@lethal stump I was sent to here from other channels
The claim that the Prince was no longer canon started in the theory chat and no dev quote to back it up
Mods have said that season speculation that is not lore goes in #seasons-events-chat
Alef is ‘beyond saving’
that includes where the season takes place
So i know there is the insta concept art that was posted but is there more
Yes, there’s a link in the moff doc
Oops sorry i went straight to names
the teaser image is for the next season. each season teaser image in the channel would have ap(number) in their image link. the new teaser image has ap08 (stands for adventure pass) in its link. check the other season teaser images. they'll have ap07, ap06, etc in their links.
please read the whole thing, Moon
"Cannot be saved" =/= not arround to be saved
« Eden elder isn’t around to be saved anymore »
Could be Prince, King, or something else (very unlikely)
so many lore moffs, fun

So many moffs, i feel old

So the elders are locked out of space and time, right? What if we have to go back in time to save the prince? This makes it a "not around" and "anymore"
I think that we need to consider that this season needs to not break the lore or experience for new players, that's why the past seasons have focused more on worldbuilding, this is also why I do not believe that the upcoming season will add a "new ending" to the game, unless it is the last season tgc ever plans to release, although I do think we may get hints at big things to come
The possibility of there being a missing questgiver spirit could be significant though, if you want to speculate about a character having importance, who could they be, if there even is a questgiver?
To me it looks like the spirits are all preparing to do some kind of ritual together, but I'm not sure what. These could also be warrior spirits of some kind, but that's unfounded
Its interesting how this channel went from talking about what forest rain might be made of and idle chatter and loose theories to paragraphs of this
I just generally write big paragraphs when I make theories, I hope that's ok

No like im not saying its bad there is alot of paragraphs here
It’s so interesting
Have any of you guys seen the moon inside the game? CONSPIRACY
The first theory here was literally forest rain is wasteland water
Oh that moon confuses me sky's whole moon and sun exsistence is confusing to me
Wait, have you seen the moon?
Oh yeah, so have I
Sky has both a sun and moon
also many of the past seasons have been existing elements of the game but accentuated
Big masks, big emotes, caverns, but ship, big mantas
nevermind then 😛
The ark and shipwreck ships are different its interesting
Shipwreck ship was carrying bells from prairie and ark is idk i think they survived an apocalypse or somethin
I had an odd dream the other day about Sky having a true ending. I'm not going to get into many details, but it was a weird abondonded island like spirited away, it could be found before the Isle of Dawn. This is not relevant, I just wanted to say something about it
yeah, one is an ancient ark, likely powered by flight, the other is made of metal and looks much more modern, but they are in the same zone
Different times i guess, ark came first probably or something, idk
Ark could have been an attempt at expansion of the Golden Wastelands when it was better
also, It seems like the things in the cargo ship are metal castings that surround the light diamonds, the forest temple has been identified as a production facility for them. There is a very similar facility early on in wasteland
(Yeah I don't know what I am talking about)
Oh i thought they were bells
Hey, what's up with Butterflies? Aren't they stars or somethin?
well, in the beginning
It showed how the jars were used to transport stars
I think
aren't butterflies the only thing inside the jars?
Elders = Stars
???
The Stars in the intro are the Elders
Elders are stars that fell out the sky
Oh
And sky kids are idk
That is odd

Well, aren't we stars too? we are in an endless rebirth cycle from the sun
We fell from the sky, same as the elders
Skykids are seen at the end, « wake up, child, bring our lost stars home »
it seems we were sent
We aren’t stars as far as we know
in the context of the intro the elders are stars
I thought we are like way down the line stars
It would make some sense if the children of light were stars
Like we are the future future future future generation
right?
Since theyre called ancestor spirits
Also, what is the deal with eden?
skids cannot become elders
I though all spirits were stars though
Elders, Ancestors, and Skykids are all different species
skids cannot become elders
@solar relic And you know this, how?
Canon lore doc
canon lore doc which i hope you read
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It’s in here
I read alot of it ok
I'm new here
do read it 
Bricky, can I dm you a question
Go ahead
We may not be stars, but there seem to be stars associated with us.
I wonder if that means the elders aren't stars, but rather merged with stars
The discord link should have taken you to the message
It says children of light are the new generation like i said
new generation may refer to skids being a new batch of skids (first batch was perhaps the statues in eden)
Fresh out of the oven
Yes.

megabird oven ofc
I didn't get that far into reading
:p
So the creatures of light are born from light within the clouds?
@hushed steeple
Did you except a season like enchantment to come, it was really different, maybe tgc is doing something different this time too.
And though we are used to having 6 spirit. Maybe this time there are only 5 or maybe 1 is gone somewhere.
They annouced it way before cause they know how to build excitement.
Noone knows that seasons are"positive" or "negative" and neither are sure that this season is "positive" ) or "negative".
Wdym warning, excitement warning?😂
Btw hi inky😂 😂 😂
@broken basin (sorry i went to bed) i think the “one spirit went away” is a valid point. Maybe it’ll be like a treasure hunt season? Where the spirits are a little harder to find? That would be cool. I also think i used my words wrong. I should’ve said ominous instead of negative
Or its memory is lost
Do we know who speaks to us in opening cutscene
No
Nope ! We have some theories though
I think its vault elder
Nevermind
I think its Isle elder tbh it makes the most sense to me
Its obviously oreo he is the true ruler of sky
Imo it's the king/ the prince
light creatures are not necessarily born from light within the clouds, they could just have been summoned into existence from the direction of the clouds, the creatures do materialise in prairie due to the spinning bells though
Oreo is actually the reincarnation of a celestial being that crashed into the sun and found rebirth. duh
manta's also seem to be born in the ocean
We see mantas come out of the water in sanctuary, makes me think they’re amphibious
light creatures are not necessarily born from light within the clouds, they could just have been summoned into existence from the direction of the clouds, the creatures do materialise in prairie due to the spinning bells though
@solar relic Does this mean Krill are the exact opposite?
What do you think the eggs in forest are
OH
who knows, krill could be corrupted light creatures, they could be naturally-occurring due to darkness
eggs in forest are literal easter eggs lmao
I thought manta eggs, but now I do not
the easter eggs in forest are actually easter eggs, like for the holiday
Eggs in forest are easter eggs, not lore related afaik
X/
where are the darkness eggs?
I thought they were random stone eggs
Where is all the food? Did the prarie elder eat it all?
no i ate it 
But someone jumped here once when i visited talking bout how krill are born from eggs and i cant get it out my head
It’s been an undisclosed amount of time. Could have rotted
oop it's 2 am and i have finished studying, i'll be revived if more season info has come
have fun theorising 
Darkness eggs?
but where are the darkness eggs doe 
ive never seen such egg
Me neither
Nor have I
I know i have a headcanon about « krill eggs » but it’s founded on nothing but having fun
oh, just a guess?
Do y’all think that krill could have been other creatures or something and could have gotten corrupted?
Okay bit of a crackpot theory but what if the prophecy is the photo, and the "beware the prophecy" is to poke fun at us for going mad about the prophecy. But also meta because there was similarly a minor prophecy that will show up in the event that drives everyone mad and then it happens and it's just like... "Oh."
Could krill be born from the sludge?
I dont think its eggs i think they work like light creatures
imo krill are their own species
Personally I think krill are naturally occurring, they aren’t « corrupted » anything
Same here
yuh
And sand 
Mantas also come from water
Green sand
If there are creatures of light it only makes sense if there are creatures of dark
Yes
Yes but i said dirty oil water
That’s what crabs and krill are
Krill = Solved
I wish we had more dark creatures

also, likely any light creature that becomes corrupted would die
Yes we should
Yezzz

They sound a little mechanical to be honest
Like the things from Journey?
Yeah
Turns out watching silent gameplay is boring
Sky and Journey are different worlds/games
BUT WHAT IF
sky is only inspired
I've only watched jacksepticeye's playthrough of Journey 
heh, I'm joking
Although they are connected through message, they are separate lore-wise
What happened to Abzu? I liked that one
When i was moth i spent most my days standing looking at murals
Oh, class is starting in a minute. give me a bit
I like to think that Journey is part of the world below Sky
Prolly not true, but just for myself ^^
Isnt sky chapter 1 of something
???
Yes i swear sky was called chapter 1
Abzu was not made by TGC. I believe it was the art director that worked on Journey that also did Abzu, but it was not made with TGC
Like someone called it that
I think what they meant by that is that the core part of the game (with the regular constellations) is the first chapter, while the seasons kind of function as future chapters with the little bits of lore reveals they sometimes give us
What's Abzu 
different game that has a similar art style to Journey
Ooo
It looks pretty
@uncut pier i think the comment you are thinking of is "sky series"
I swear tgc was like ok then they had a sudden glow up with journey
Later, guys!
#other-tgc-games would be a good place for this non-lore journey discussion
I wonder why birds and butterfly exist especially birds
All the others are sea creatures
Yeah I’ve wondered that too
Birds are probably from Megabird. Ayin may be responsible for the butterflies
to support the flying sky children?
which one is Ayin
Prairie
Prairie
Prairie
Aha i know now
ah yeah, Isle was birds and Prairie was butterflies
I have knowledge
The future is now, old man 
it bothers me that they aren't in alphabetical order
oh so i found who said that it was chapter 1-
Who
Seraph
Who dat
Aha idk who that is
Community Elder
That comment was originally from Jenova Chen
oh, do you have a link to the conversation
Ah
Ok ok what im really curious about is why rain hurts
Any news on the post 'beware of prophecy' ?
We know as much as everyone else does
which is nothing
Oh

oh, do you have a link to the conversation
@cold steppe wait a link on what jenova chan said? or
wonder if krill(the dark creatures) looking like krill/shrimp was a coincidence of an intentional design choice
to the comment by Seraph, if you have it handy
Rain hurts but still water and waterfalls don't
or the Jenova Chen one, that could be cool to see too
Krill were intentional i think
https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/632004389137154048/699023519350128771 i only have what seraph said
the theory is that the rain in forest is polluted
I believe the rain we see is precipitated from Wasteland water which is why it hurts
Because sky creatures are modelled after sea ones
Oh? 👀
yeah, I think Jenova Chen said something similar about a chapter 1, but technically the elders' comments about lore aren't official
the elders here are players that were chosen by TGC to be shepherds then elders, so they don't know anything from TGC other than what we are given
I don’t remember where, but I did find the article where Jenova Chen said something to the affect of « sky is only the beginning »
Yes thats what i was talking about
link? 
I have seen one of his interview and he said sky is like series, there will be new seasons
yeah, but does he mean series like series of seasons or series of games
It was a month ago, I lost it
Idk why but the statues being a failed batch of sky kids is something i cant stop thinking about
I cant wrap my head around sky kids in relation to elders and winged light and the statues idk why
I cant wrap my head around sky kids in relation to elders and winged light and the statues idk why
@uncut pier elders are complicated, statues are lightless skykids, winged light are souls/life force/agility/ binding agent of sky kids
The devs have confirmed that winged light are imprints of the child/children of light
Why there is no shadows for wings ?
No i get it but i cant stop thinking about staues being sky kids
That’s a game mechanic
They couldn’t get the shadows to work properly so they scrapped them
@cold steppe oh
Oh right sky kids arent children if light right
Most likely not
@uncut pier I don't think so
It’s... fun to try to figure out 
it's our final fooooooorm 
It’s difficult to determine if it’s the child of light or the children of light. The devs have used both
If it’s a singular child of light, some believe that’s the king and/or the Eden elder
and if multiple, it could be a part of us?
Yeah. There’s a reincarnation theory too
As in we are the reincarnations of the child/children of light and/or the king and/or Eden elder
cries in sparse lore
ngl i enjoy the sparse lore
some lore i hope they add more details, others i hope they leave vauge
Wait we arent children of light all this tIME <_<!?!? my lifeis a lie
I hope krill are never explained
i need to know more about my krill babies

Oop
i need more dark creatures
and i need to know more about the e d e n e l d e r
i wanna see their cannon appearance rather than concept art
And king brick returns
so sad that all that´s canon is "he´s not here to be saved anymore"
So far at least
Where can the king be seen
Ohhh
Can someone send a pic plz
Its probably not related, but a really long time ago someone in the sky community had made concept art for season of royalty or something? Onr of the hairstyles in beware the prophecy reminded me of it. Im not saying thats the next season i mostly just found it interesting. Im going back to look for it right now
Ooo
Here’s the link to the art #completed-sky-fanart-and-creations message
Again, probably not related
Just found it cool
:3

Yeah
Also another fun thing i found was that Season of Sanctuary is SoS, also kinda hinting somethings going on lol
I'm back
we are the 5 missing spirit idk
It doesn't make sense for Daelth to have been left with a broken mask for long. Daleth is the first elder anyone sees. Why would a king want someone whose face they destroyed greeting newcomers?
Perhaps the face breaking was caused later on, when Daleth tried to stop the crystal rather than seal it
I have a crackpot theory that each realm is the same realm just at a different time
So that would make each realm a different civilization residing on the same plane
WAIT
WAIT WAIT WAIT
I know who is talking in the cutscene at the beginning of the game
Isn't it obvious?
It is Oreo!

😦


Hi folks, what's up?
Jay where's your list
Uhhhh
wait I found it
Here’s all the current theories about the narrator so far
The king
The prince
Brick
The child of light
The megabird
A spirit who supported the elders and wanted them back home
You
The vault elder
Oreo
And the isle elder
Brick and Oreo are technically jokes thrown in there
but anything is possible in Sky lore
I brightened the new teaser image to see if we missed anything.
I can see a little ball attached to the thing on the middle spirits back.
Hey, I just realized that this may not be a vault area. There is natural terrain
But I haven't spent anytime looking at it, so
This might be at the top of the vault though you never know.
The terrain in this picture does not match it
Because it ends with a little hill
Not more of this valley shape
Tbh though, I am expecting forest. Dailies and candles seem to cycle through the realms in order. Events might too.
Anything is possible, it could be a new type of area in vault
One of the spirits has a weird shadow.
The one on the left of the middle one has an odd shadow attached to it.
Isle of Dawn? XD
Ok so... Who thinks the dark framing could be more than framing?
Maybe the spirits are walking out of a darkness we will have to investigate, having lost two along the way. Those two we will have to seek while lighting the area and revealing the prophecy that ends in very bad news... For us
Also the masks are from old concept art.
Actually, the dark framing could be emergence from somewhere
Man, I want those masks
BADLY
The spirits are wearing them.
Hey, do we have anything outside of the kingdom of Sky?
I mean
could be random travellers if there is anything beyond
Probably not but i don't know.
OH YEAH I FORGOT LEAVING SKY WAS SPOILER VAULTED
I mean, they are weaird masks and capes right?
hmmmm it could be the isle of dawn going on to daylight prairie tho
even tho the light's too bright in the map
What if this is the first peak we get of the world beyond our little island?
hmmmm they could be
I never thought about how they didn't build the world outside of Sky at all
Ok, so we were having a discussion about why they collected butterflies in pots in #general-sky-discussion, and we decided they did it to collect the butterfly dust to make the boats fly (like fairy dust
).
But then again, I am new here
That’s new
If all you want is the dust, wouldn't a butterfly habitat be more efficient? Or maybr several fields that you rotate butterflies through?
In the concepts, creatures of light were collected so their light could be infused with power diamonds for energy
To keep it family friendly I shall simply say it was not a pretty process
... Yeah I was horrified when I saw the concept
Who's to say the pots aren't a buttefly habitat? 
Oh.
can someone pass me that concept
DONT BREAK THEIR HEARTS
goodness i just want to see everything about the new season already
BUT ITS MY SPECIALTY
it’s so cool
Brick 
... Maybr just a linj
I would like to see the concept plz
Well, I guess that means, in a way, they used butterfly dust to make the boats fly.
||butterflies and mantas would be crushed into a pulp to extract their light||
cool
Noice! 😄
Hey, does everyone here eat a bowl of Krill'Os everyday? I know I do!
||butterflies and mantas would be crushed into a pulp to extract their light||
@lethal stump
||butterfly dust||
Mantas idk but based on all of my experience with the theory and all the evidence I got, mantas weren’t used
But
It’s possible
Definitely butterflies at the very least
in the concept art i saw there was bones in the sludge
Link for the brave. Beware. #lore-discussion-spoilers message
aye
this whole talk of ||butterfly dust||, how they're made of light and the fact that (winged) light lets us fly now makes me wonder if they were used like pixie dust from peter pan 
thanks
That was back then batteries were a thing but the idea changed later afterwards
P sure there is a better one though
I love how I started this discussion by asking people would they lick sky butterflies
Amazing
Lol.
Darkstone was later put in game and there was no factory, simply mining for the stone and this was the forbidden power that caused the destruction of everything
Now we have power diamonds
Something that’s still debated today......I also have an essay on it 😬
So they started by smacking butterflies ||to pulp|| for their pixie dust, then started mining for darkstone? 
this is a more recent concept
Ye
it all makes sense now
It looks like the thing in the forest temple
Indeed.
darkstone + light = power diamond
the pulping and the mining were simultaneous
yes, because it is
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Cause disturb: ||where is the one that shows a manta get juiced?||
I see. So darkstones were just containers for light.
Here’s where this whole idea started
Pots with butterflies were one of the main ingredients put inside the diamond press, the second ingredient is still debated but let’s focus on the pots
These pots were found to have butterflies in them and collected for this purpose so we all assumed that they were used for the energy
And they....didn’t last when this process happened
I have no idea what we are talking about
earlier this morning some people where talking about the crying light miner and their story
I cought a bit and the question of what these where poped up and I think that these stacks are stacks light like the name "light miner" might imply
I'm scared
Those are graves
I'm surprised the butterflies in the jars are still alive.
For her friends th at died
Not really
I thought the graves where at the back of the cave
Her 2 friends got crushed from the rocks and the other one....is still being theorized but he died too
Light is seen in game to have physical manifestations
She moved them later to the back
Well, it like it could be physical. It makes mantas and crap right? plus there are light miners.
Couldn't that be from the elders though?
Do boats fly with power diamonds?
Krill can kill them though so
Yes but u don’t touch them
Oh, I get it. They killed all the creatures of light for light, and all that was left was darkness.
Water reacts to the manta coming out and back into the ocean In Sanctuary
Not confirmed but that’s a possibility
what's even weirder about the mantas is that the ones in prairie village actually fly right through some parts of the island
Wasteland used to have a rich amount of butterflies and manta
In the game or in the lore?
In the lore
In the cave paintings it showed proof that life was rich and full of them at wasteland
Or the krill
They aren’t extinct, we see butterflies and mantas elsewhere
I see.
Hey, what is the red crystal inside eden?
Most people believe it to be a large power diamond
a huge power diamond they tried to put on the beam of light
What is the beam then?
But they get progressively less as the levels progress (not including isle and vault)
What do you think about it
A large power diamond is used for tech and power and u see a huge one at eden
What do you think it was used for 🤔
it didn’t go so well as you might pick up from the subtle hints, for example: everything
moths
The point of lore chat is to think up your own answers
Oh, to make moths?
This is my first time very even noticing this chat
Last night it was 2 minute slowmode 
Ok crazy theory coming up
Technically there is no canon ideas about the stuff we are talking about (yet)
We supposed to create our answers and this chat is simply to discuss theories, not try to figure out this “hidden story”
So moths were made by the ancient civilization.
No
Oh, Eden was just used to power everything then?
@coarse bolt Save the moth talk for Hollow Knight, there is one true moth there
Chioni, moths are jus a silly nickname for new players with terrible flight and brown capes
I feel like the fact that skykid’s souls are the same as spirts mean something
Sorry.
Don't be
That’s why this sicker is called moth

So miles’ comment about the power diamond being put on the light made me think of something. What if they were creating the power diamonds to power things like boats and doors and such to prepare for the ultimate power diamond in Eden that would be used to power a boat or some other vehicle to fly themselves back to orbit
Idek if that makes sense though
i think eden is a power diamond that went...
badly, to say the least
What is there in orbit that they needed/
Oh~ Spaceship~
The elders most likely fell from orbit
U guys reacted to it before u could even read the whole thing 
So they want to go home
Hey, I have a WIP theory on the "Beware The Prophecy"
I wonder, does earth exist in the sky universe? In the credits we see multiple planets as we zoom out, what’s on them??
Oh yeah I forgot to include the ending
What did they want from ||orbit|| though? ||To be reborn?||
you don’t have to spoiler here 
my smart lil friend said 'knowledge, prophecy, it probably is in the vault' so!!
Either megabird destroyed the diamond themself to prevent the elders from returning or it exploded because there was too much power
Oh. Ok.
As wren said, the elders probably lived in orbit so they wanted to go back home
and they tried to go home through making a big power diamond
The power diamond theory to power the world of Sky (that went wrong) makes more sense in the entire lore we have than what I just posted here. Just thought it would be fun to think about
I think the power diamond exploded from too much power tbh, it was probably just a massive amount of power and they weren’t advanced enough to handle it
Why would megabird want to prevent the elders from returning from orbit, though?
Well, the kingdom of Sky is kind of small, right? And nothing about the outside of Sky has been built storywise. Looking at these 5 spirit's outfits, they look unfamiliar to the kingdom, right? they could be from outside the kingdom of sky. Considering this, if you look at the photo, you can see a similarity of the landscape of entering the prairie from the isle, right? they could be entering Sky, and thus some crap about a prophecy of their arrival. Then again, I'm an idiot, so
Why would megabird want to prevent the elders from returning from orbit, though?
depending on who you ask, megabird was the one who made the elders fall
Open world Sky 2 we need it
thats pretty smart :o
They were kicked out, possibly for a good reason, and the fact that they didn’t wait to atone or whatever megabird may have wanted (for example, the phrase “they didn’t listen” could tie to this) and instead tried to come back on their own made megabird sad
Maybe the Elders were already dead or close to dying, so they went to orbit to try to be reborn so they could live forever.
here’s my theory on the fall:
Lucifer Theory
#lore-discussion-spoilers message
whats megabird?? :0
Hello new Lore Moff!
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Read this, Erin
ok
I kind of wonder, what did the spirits look like when they were alive? Are the spirits even aware, or are they just memories?
Someone had a theory that they fell on purpose and that’s why “darkness came” and the intro was wrong
It also states that they left their home to thrive on the ground where they can rule over people and their knowledge of light and life from their original home is what gave them the idea of power diamonds and how to basically create artificial light.
#seasons-events-chat for non-lore
So this is the wrong chat?
yes, this chat is for lore discussion. If you just want to speculate about the new season, do it in #seasons-events-chat
In regards to the new season teaser:
- we don't know when this takes place
- we don't know where this takes place
- we don't know the prophecy and why we should be beware
- we don’t know the season name
- we don’t know the season pendant
- lore chat is for lore, #seasons-events-chat is for hype & questions
enjoy theorising
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have a copypasta
I mean, this season is ending in a month so maybe they don't have the stuff ready??
Ut was a teaser that came out yesterday
oh, they plan the next season before the current season even starts
Soo... 
they have 2 years worth of content planned rn
What if when megabird created the elders they were originally supposed to have wings to fly with megabird and the mantas but something went wrong and they ended up falling from the sky and created a whole new civilization. The part where it says “if only they had listen” might tie into the fact that megabird offered to give them a ability to fly with flames but they used the flames for something else like making power diamonds and such
Oh did we step into unreliable narrator territory for a moment?!
For a short bit, Null
I love that it's my fault
ah well. We are at different topic. it would be akaward for something not supposed to fly to be not supposed to fall from the sky

Ello guys wot I missed?
Yo I feel like there may be some lore in this area, at the second valley area. I’ve never seen any TS or any other information on these little rooms. Maybe they were hideouts BUT my main concern is the fact you need two people to open the first door 
Those were for past seasons
Ah I thought so-
But why do they have em still there/nothing in em?
i think I’m just being dumb idk
It might be for a different reason but I believe It’s because of the ts
In case there’s a TS
It was the jumping spirit once
And the juggling spirit I think
and that’s what I get for being late into the Sky fandom lmao
Ah same
It’s ok lol
I get on discord for like one time a year so xD
Theories on Sky’s tweet today? 👀✨
If you're talking about beware, we have several. You will need to pick an aspect of it. We have theories about the prophecy, the spirits identities, the environment...
Possibility 1: this is a stage group. 5 are actors, 2 are stage hands. We see the actors.
Possibility 2: one per area that isn't Isle or Eden
Possibility 3: elders
Possibility 4: something about this season is different
Possibility 5: something happened to the other two.
Possibility 6: to drive the theorists nuts and there is nothing to it. Just looks good on the poster.
Then a bunch I missed cause I decided to sneep snorp
Someone (brick) thought they saw the king in the poster. I do not see it.
LONG STORY SHORT I FOUND THE QUEEN AND KING CONCEPT ART I TOLD PPL I KNEWWWW EXISTED SOMEWHERE SOME TIME AGO
OMG LEMME SEND IT CUZ HELL YEA I KNEW I WASNT GOING CRAZY * PUMPS FIST IN THE AIR* IM SO HAPPY I CRY
I KNEWW ITTTTT GOD DANG IT JSJSJSJ
im so sorry if i interupted antthing, im just so over the moon rn, i had to go thru lover 8000 imported pics from my phone to find it took me like an hour sjsjs
honestly i don’t even remember where i found it, it’s nowhere in the pinned links so idk how i manifested these 😳😳
Where do I find a place to read about some of the lore/lore ideas
click the icon of a person on the top right corner of the chat & then click the “pins”, it’ll show u pinned messages with links to concept art albums, live-streams etc
Hello new Lore Moff!
Read this short document to get started! Once you’ve read this, check out pins for more information.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18B1-SKG3toG0oH0VhOWC5o-cG9u0STAN92QvmbhTDto/edit
@lethal stump oh my gosh tysm
Okay :))
@mellow sable @broken basin I FOUND IT YALL, I SCREENSHOTED OUR CONVO TO LET U KNOW WHEN I GOT IT SJSJJ
so here it izzz sjsj
The twitter and instagram teaser are different.
They are the same its just that insta only has like 4 by 4 thing
The twitter teaser has less glow than the instagram one.
One of the spirits has more shadow than in the instagram image.
Literally small differences
oH hELL
at least im sure tha wasnt some vivid but fake memory of seeing it cuz i swear i was beginning to think i dreamt it
it’s still a very cool concept tho! i’ll try to find out whos the og artist, maybe reverse image search will give me smth
i’ve always really wanted to know what this island was and why it would put sky kids over there when they return home
Does it? When my friend return home it Dosent show up like that
it very lowkey looks like home, with the biggest structure being the eden gate
tho maybe that’s just the angle of the pic
probably, still, it’s a bit weird that it’s so visible, the meditation ring i mean
i remember was always curious what it was untill i saw a vid of two players who managed to teleport there and it turned out to be a meditation spot
like surely there’s space to put it smwhere where it won’t be that noticeable so why here??
Oh Can you DM the link to me?
That used to be accessible in pre-launch
idk if i’ll be able to find the vid rn, but i’ll try
It was just an island with a meditation shrine
it was either a home shrine or a message shrine
Ooo
interesting they left it like that for players to get curious abt sjsj
@lethal stump Noooooooooooooooooo, that is from divine comedy
@tribal pecan THANK YOU!
Damn that’s old
Also, there’s lots of things that the devs just...didn’t remove from game
either they didn’t feel like it or they couldn’t
pog
i love when there’s just random stuff laying around in oobs or smth sjsj
Uh huh
it does, there’s a moon in wasteland
@lethal stump where, I keep seeing this from time to time but I think there are only holes in those clouds
If you OOB above the clouds in ark you can see the moon
One cloud show the moon
One whole
Hole
I'm with a Theory about that prophecy thing
And I think I should talk here instead of seasonal chat
I think that thing will not be a season
I think will be a new area
Between vault and Eden
So we don't go to that place after the last cutsce
The final connection
I think will be a new area
Between vault and Eden
@thorny siren
I like that theory much more than the "new ending to the game" one, although according to some other users, the image name appears to reference an eighth adventure pass
But I'm pretty sure there is no moon while ascending to reach Orbit

which IMHO it would be more bothering than the absence of Eden's Beacon when we are at the Citadel/Oreri (or however it is written)
There is a moon, in eden and in orbit
it would be very nice to spotting a giant moon view from stratosphere
oh.. really, how did I missed that 
As long as we’re talking about moons
@dusky sorrel > Also at the vault elder oob
@dusky sorrel
Indeed, is amazing for take pics
me making my first theory responding to a YouTube video talking about how the ark came to be after it crashed “they” are the people who previously lived on the ark
Oof sorry for breaking the convo 
Edited out the sky logo
how is lore
non-existant
Just for reference
what even is lore anymore
what is lore
devs don’t hurt me
don’t hurt me
no more
Why they have this blue light?
cause they’re spirits
The others don't shine that way
The light desapear when the Bodie appear
I was thinking
If they are not like all the others
Maybe not completely dead
okay this is a meme but this is the only picture i have of the sanctuary concept art
you can see jelly call spirit has a blue light in the centre too
that blue light is the spirit/soul
im saving that meme thank you
alsksjdhf
Every spirit has the blue light lmao
yes that’s what I was saying
Yo why do none of the elders have capes?
Hold up
Except the Prince, maybe
If the prince design remained as it was in the concepts
Wasteland elder doesn’t rlly have a cape it’s mainly jus a cloak
In the concept the Prince flies with you. If it stayed the same as that...
I was just curious. Because I thought it’d be cool if one of the constellation rewards was a cape but then I remembered nobody has capes
Quick note about capes, not sure if it’s significant, but usually spirits don’t have stars on the back of their capes like skykids do (since they can’t fly) like this:
But the second spirit in the promo seems to have a very very small star on their cape just above the blue soul thing
Barely even visible but perhaps it’s worth noting
I know someone made an image of that cape where it is red, but it looks distinctly white or light gray to me
The star could just be a design on the cape
Also, it was mentioned the cape looks distinctly like the King's lower body/cape? Maybe they had stars on their cape
I wouldn’t go so far as to say ‘distinctly’
The closest comparison I can see is the squared off shoulders but I don’t think that necessarily has to be something limited to the king
maybe some kind of royal uniform or dress code for his advisors? But I would also tend to think that the elders are his advisors
hey chat
what are we discussing this hour of this particular day 
The second promo spirit seems to have a star on his cape, which, to my knowledge, is not present on any other spirits with capes
So we’re discussing what that could be
Also, one thing to consider is that this is a piece of art and not in-game models, and this may not perfectly reflect the final designs
Seems like a render to me though
Eh
Nevermind, the illustrations fooled my eyes
Are we still discussing about that teaser?
yuh
Wow that was quick response
is it me or does the second spirit's "mask" look like a crab? 👀
By judging nah if it is. It can be a flipped crab mask
Non-lore speculation goes in #seasons-events-chat, thank you
« their walk cycle mimics something related to how they’re made » is all we have

It oddly reminds me of the BotW Sheikah technology aesthetic
The crabs walk in circles
where is that?
Sanctuary
inside the mountain crack
Yeah
The main waterfall
They add this but with nothing inside
Was not in the original sanctuary
Maybe they add for this
But I don't know what they will do with that in this new thing
maybe its just for taking aesthetic pictures or an area to practice music/make sky music cover videos 
About the new probibly season
From a techinical stand point/season wise
We have added pacific areas to prairie and wasteland
im curious if yall solved the poop thing so im scrolling up n also saying hi
We haven’t
?
The day that happens, lore chat will light up like it did last night
Dude im talking about sanctuary and enchantment
I STILL DONT KNOW WHAT IIS POOP
Yes I understand, but also the poop conversation kinda sparked my interest. I wish you all luck in figuring it out tho. 
What do y'all mean by poop? 
maybe the real poop is the friends we made along the way...?
Reika said that there’s something in-game that goes by the nickname of « poop » among the devs and we’ve set out to find it
HMmmm
there is only one, and you would find it on a full CR (not counting eden)
so not in orbit?
I'm very disappointed that I can't help find that poop
Maybe the big pickle fish 
Maybe it was flower
There a flower at my place called Bunga taik ayam(translates to chicken poop flower) because the smell is like poop.. the look is very pretty but the smell is not good
But as far as I know
There is no flower in the game
What colour is it?
This is where the elder council discuss about our destiny?
pardon ?
Sorry gtg

Wait, are you guys still talking about the teaser-
MAYBE THE TEASER HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE CAVE ART
@gritty aspen what cave art, in isle?
I’m hyped now what even is this teaser :000
Bruh I told all of y'all that maybe the teaser spirits might be inside a cave and the "beam of light" is just sunlight through a caves entrance
I agree that we can’t really gather much from the spirits in the poster at this stage
However I do think that the fact there is a prophecy is important
That’s where I think this little reveal is important for how we piece together our lore knowledge
in regards to this being a season or not:
the teaser image is for the next season. each season teaser image in the channel would have ap(number) in their image link. the new teaser image has ap08 (stands for adventure pass) in its link. check the other season teaser images. they'll have ap07, ap06, etc in their links.
[credit to Res]
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Well I don't know about the file names
Hmhmh
@steel trellis send the photo then
Wait yeah I just noticed they changed the file names
Isn't is soo early to speak about another season? There's like 23 days more of sanctuary...
Season lores are separate from elder lores for all I know
It’s likely to hype it up more than others, i’m guessing
Well
Seasons do show us parts of the actual lore. Enchantment, Sanctuary, and this upcoming one (Prophecy seems to be the fanon name) all have given us more about the lore and world
the devs have said they are trying to give more lore
Yay more lore to play with
Wait just a little lore noob question, is the ark from forgotten the ark that the king made for it to sail through Eden or nah? Just curious cuz I didn't get that part
We are only the ink for the feather who worte this history, maybe ended long ago, we dont know how started this chaos, but we know that only with our words here, we are already writing another chapter, piece by piece
The king ark is just a concept, afaik it hasn’t been confirmed to be in the game
In reference to the old timeline ? No
I see thanks for the answers
FA and royal ark are two different things
I believe Eden to be a fallen kingdom.
The whole of sky is a fallen kingdom
I like to think that Wasteland is what’s left of the world Journey took place in
I believe that Eden was a palace once.
After a civilization rebuilt, industrialized, and got krilled
A flourishing kingdom that got overtaken by darkness due to the King being ignorant towards the prophecy that was being mentioned.
Ok
What if they were using the darkness as energy?
you guys all seem rather new to lore

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