lore-discussion-spoilers

[wintry matrix]

no problem! other songs also show interesting things, like warrior showing the manta hunt (hard to tell if for to tame them or take their light away for dark stones but likely the second)

seed likely being about elders falling on earth (as we can see stars falling down to various ends of sky kingdom INCLUDING two stars falling in same trajectory so I think it is safe to say thats valley elders, there are way more stars than current number of elders though so there might be some who didnt make it after the fall) but it can also be fall of eden as scene right after shows the battlefield full of mantas and people fighting for their lives, some mantas being impaled by spears even and whole memory ends at the darkstone crystal right in front of wasteland temple gate

all soft inside is pretty much just light creatures point of view of the same memory you experience through the quest, could be also the creatures arriving to orbit

[autumn rivet]

I gotta review the entire aurora season quests again, there's a ton of info there I seem to have missed. The twins are another interesting phenomena entirely. They are an entire generation younger than all the other elders. And they also share a single name. While there is no refuting that they were separate entities from the beginning and not split from a single entity, i believe someone else preceded them having the name sahmek. (might not be as elder of the valley specifically, but just as an elder in general, since we don't know if the concept of elder existed beforehand or was introduced only after the division of realms in the kingdom of sky). Concept art does show sahmekh as a single entity, whose silhouette(pointy head towards the back) can be seen carved into many doors and more.

While I know of the existence of an ancient priestess and the fandom believes her to have been the mother of the valley twins with a lot of fan art having gone into this concept too, i have found no evidence that connects sahmekh to the ancient priestess even remotely

On that note, fanart dump of sahmekh cause it's cute

[wintry matrix]

it can be just coinkydink (misspell on purpose) and it can be just camera angle but it is the only two stars who fall together the whole time on screen, others who start to fall together split and fall in other direstions shortly after appearing but we can see those two falling together the whole time, what is confusing is that theres one more pair falling right after them in literally the same direction so maybe whoever sent them always meant them to be twins but the first twins didnt make it so they/the creator/the light/whoever that is sent another twins as replacement but maybe im looking way too much into it

and then the scene changes into battlefield while the stars are still faling down (possible "The Day The Sars Fell" happening here), launching people airbone after impact, mantas and people are being impaled, some already dead on the ground, stars keep falling down and the scene ends on last soldier seemingly stabbing something, they could be just using the spear as support, stabbing another soldier, stabbing manta but also the light just stops at exactly the same spot and does not move even when the camera keeps going so it might also be that soldier stabbing Alef

[wintry matrix]

imo all elders can be entire generation younger than isle elder judging by the "age look" alone, so it could be that isle elder was first to come, then prairie, forest and vault elders and then valley elders as last ones

would explain why isle elder is literally forgotten by time

[quasi phoenix]

[autumn rivet]

I think it does have meaning like you said. It feels too specific to be unintentional

[autumn rivet]

Oh, that is sensible enough. I was thinking more of a tragic thought like the twin's guardian dying which leaves them as hereditary elders of the valley. But ofc I have no evidence to support this. This one's purely subjective speculation

[wintry matrix]

that assumes elders can even have offsprings which... tbh i doubt but who knows, from what i understand from the tiny bits we got

elders and skids = same origin =/= sky kingdom people

but they can still be same race even if from different origin

[autumn rivet]

I agree, true that. Although skids are genderless as far as we know, the spirit and ancestor memories we see, definitely shows some familial relationships like that of mother/son and husband/wife and so on. If not the same as ours, they must have had some concept of reproduction or the institution of family that led them to behave as such

[wintry matrix]

unless they swore to never have offsprings for status reason or something, i think we would see atleast one instance of spirit having elder as parent but who knows, maybe resh and alef are in fact not the same person and are related

we only got two spirits having elders as teachers and thats it

[autumn rivet]

Yeah, honestly I am excited for the release of the two embers. A lot of things would clear up

[wintry matrix]

tbh it could even be that they just take part of themselves/their light and boom you have little kid lol

or two spirits combine their light for more diversity

[autumn rivet]

Yep we don't know how they reproduced but they sure had young ones xd. And parental love was a thing irrespective of their methods of birth as far as we've seen.

[ashen fractal]

Tbh my bet is they don't have children, so much as make them. Family units are together out of choice to love one another, and there are no genders/sexes, people just choose to look a certain way.

besides, gender and stuff has no real bearing on the lore anyway. The only characters that are confirmed to have genders are those from other IPs.
So I don't think it matters how people came to be, only that they are there and some of them are fallen stars.

[narrow marsh]

I think this is the most crucial point. If distinction doesn't actually contribute anything to the story, it makes quarreling over said preferred distinctions all the more redundant and pointlessly-conflicting.

To be clear, that's not to say "nobody can have that interpretation", but rather that we shouldn't need to die on hills when we can just have our own little ideas and agree to disagree, and those goes for any dispute or debate we all tend to have. Respect needs to come before the investigation. We are all in this together. 🕯️

[earnest briar]

"Strange child, what are your pronouns?"
"honk honk"

[pastel brook]

A "moth" is a new player. They have brown wings, they flap around uncontrollably, and they are drawn to flame!

[wintry matrix]

we were not really discussing gender though...

[ashen fractal]

Yeah I was agreeing with the genderless comment and your comment about the idea of them taking a part of their light to create another person (as an idea for how people came to exist)

[wintry matrix]

then... what exactly was the point of your message?

because now im kinda confused

[ashen fractal]

sorry maybe I worded it weird? was just saying I liked those specific ideas and that I liked how it didn't have any bearing on lore?

[wintry matrix]

to me it sounded like you are aganist the idea of spirits having children at all (even when we literally see them having kids in game)

hell even if it were two dudes somehow having kid, if it works it works lol, there was no gender mentioned in this

[ashen fractal]

oh, no that isn;t what I meant! I just meant that it was probably in a much different way than our world and was agreeing with some of the examples you gave.

I apologize it's hard to tell tone over text.

Yeah I was trying to say the genderless comment was something I supported.

Sorry I um, maybe it's not coming across right. I'll leave the conversation. apologies

[wintry matrix]

all god then, sorry for making waves

[ashen fractal]

Oh no you're fine! text is hard and misunderstandings happen! Please no worries. I am sure I've misread or not understood comments before.

sorry channel should probably go back to lore stuff. I'll dip

[spiral vault]

They actually removed the dialogue from the first isle cave murals, but the old version was extremely similar to the Aviary Village intro so I think you can connect the two

[scenic pebble]

gee, i wonder what i could see if the clouds weren't there

meanwhile some old idea in my head that has not seen the Light of day

[autumn rivet]

Yep yep, agreed

[uneven saffron]

What happened to all the spirits?

[autumn rivet]

I have two theories relating this to golden wasteland

• I believe that should have been the peak of the head/peak of a gate hidden by the clouds. The head however, we find, is broken and lying on the right of the entrance where we fall first in wasteland desert.

• I have a second theory that it might just be a visual reference to the main temple of the golden wasteland ahead of the battlefield, high contrast image provided below

[autumn rivet]

To keep things short, the shattering happened.

Irrespective of whether Alef became corrupted or his experiment went horribly wrong, one thing is certain that the shattering crystal exploded, leading to damages akin to post-nuclear fallout in modern terms.

Our ancestors were dead, their spirits were left unable to enter the cycle of reincarnation or join up with the megabird. To make it sound a bit more dramatic : souls with a yearning wish, left unfulfilled even in their last breath, because of a fate they never asked for. As we relive their memories and guide them to the elders at the temple, they are given a chance to join the megabird once more, which we make a reality when we go to Eden. We can see them flying in pre-orbit space with us when we are flying to the megabird.

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

This is also a theory that goes hand in hand with the shattering and is much more believable tbh. A real nuclear level blast would have wiped their kingdom out clean without ruins. The shattering most likely affected other areas through corruption and more and people suffered due to loss of trade and means of production to sustain their lives. So even if the shattering didn't immediately kill the rest of the population, it is surely responsible for it.

[timber fulcrum]

Is journey and sky connected

[autumn rivet]

Although I tried to make some connections between them long back, there's no actual relationship between their worlds. Other than the strikingly similar designs, settings, themes and civilisation-transcending-greed for light/energy, there's not much else connecting both of them.

Ofc both were made by tgc so it's expected that they'd have similar vibes.

However, if I were to be honest, journey feels much more spiritual and solemn than sky in general. Although sky might have a darker past and lore, journey made me feel a connection with my character deeper than any other I felt in any game.

[wintry matrix]

Short answer: they died

[wintry matrix]

I think (and that is just my theory, not something lore or whatever) that tgc simply cant put journey lore into sky even if they wanted to because journey was made in collab with sony and sony is kinda greedy

[autumn rivet]

Yeah, part of the reason why tgc decided to make sky for mobile specifically in the first place, if I'm not wrong. Wanted to escape sony clutches imo. Dunno if it's safe to discuss here either lmao

[wintry matrix]

i would absolutely love to get the transcended journey cape but it costs twice of the game price cmon

[autumn rivet]

A cape being more expensive than the game it's from is wild

[wintry matrix]

If they make it to have feature that it makes your scarf longer with more flaps you own like in journey then it would justify the price but now its just another cape with mask that does different call

Plus for normal journey cape, you can literally wait for peeking postman cape

[autumn rivet]

sigh prices have always been exorbitant

Just thought it would be good practice to pass new infographics I make through here for some scrutiny. Do suggest anything you feel off or you feel might not be objective/untrue/doubtful

Feedback appreciated

||For anyone curious on the lore Infographic #1, it was on the topic of skids but not completely lore related. Can check it out here https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/739449343727370260/1367762994183929958/Untitled19_20250502124823.png?ex=6815c40d&is=6814728d&hm=2c0d54b0907d14e1ad3e3826dc4115645f2a6637e8d747486c336e61a5424e48&||

[wintry matrix]

fun fact for the first infographic - the cape does not cast shadow to make it easier for lower end devices but tgc covered it with "yeah actually it is made out of light, thats why", both was mentioned in one interview

[waxen ermine]

What’s that in the distance?

[wintry matrix]

it is in this one i believe #lore-discussion-spoilers message (it wont let me F3 search for keywords in it but im like 80% sure it was this one)

[autumn rivet]

Dayumn didn't know that xd. "Feature not a bug" moment fr (auto mod got my last reply dunno why)

[wintry matrix]

leviathan from abyss (treasure reef depths)

[autumn rivet]

Is it just me or has it gotten closer since last time I saw it

[wintry matrix]

yeah more people noticed it too

[plucky locust]

King Krill just chillin... for now

[autumn rivet]

can't wait for it to face off against elder manta

[wintry matrix]

king krill on manta elder be like

[wintry matrix]

anyways im going to eden, anyone want something? (im not crazy enough to play tourist and snap photos in PNR but i can make some along the way and on orbit)

[autumn rivet]

Oh just in time ngl, I was hoping for a photo of the platform that we see cracking and broken when we are flying up to space. The one after the elder manta appears. Only if it's convenient tho. No pressure

[wintry matrix]

not sure if i know what exactly you mean

[autumn rivet]

One second I should have a rough pic lying around somewhere

The platform with thrones you see on the left side right here. It's very cropped out due to the camera angle my friend was recording in, but it should be fairly visible.

It had always seemed like a replica of the thrones at the summit of the vault to me. But I was never able to make sure of that fact

[wintry matrix]

it is replica of the thrones, i have different angle of it, hold on

one second i have way too many screenshots lol

gee am i blind or yes

hmm i guess i have to sc it again lol

slightly oob and not the pic i was looking for but here it is visible too (dw im not in pnr yet)

[wintry matrix]

ok, going in, i was having lunch

[autumn rivet]

Lmao relatable fr

[autumn rivet]

Ooooh I see. Any pic is appreciated tbh. I was gonna take a few on my daily Eden run today too so no pressure. Best of luck on your Eden run

[wintry matrix]

ok, i tried to take some shots but got locked into ascend shortly after so idk how it will look

but i have some pretty good shot of it somewhere, i just need to find where it went, i remember posting it to one of my friends

[autumn rivet]

Niiice. I'm sure they'll look just fine. If necessary a bit of colour edits should have it clear as can be, and do let me know if you find the pic you mentioned, irrespective of whether you find it, thanks for the help xd

[wintry matrix]

EDEN GATE OPEN/CLOSED

EDEN WEAPONS CLOSEUPS

PNR STATUES
there seems to be little bit of orange light coming out of them if you light up the lamp nearby and before you return them light

PAST PNR/MAIN GATES(?) EDEN ARCHITECTURE
it didnt let me use camera prop here unfortunately

MEGABIRD CONSTELLATION & "STAR EDEN"
there are three spires made out of stars that vaguely resemble eden towers/skyscrappers but they were pretty hard to take photo of as they kept phasing in and out and also visible only from certain angles

SOME MORE ELDER CLOSEUPS
still no prairie elder, tumbling troublemaker took all my hearts lol
i tried to take better photo of the sticks valley elders are holding, they are little different than the ones from cutscenes

REBIRTH GATE WITH SPIRITS + THEM GIVING YOU WINGED LIGHT
there are also some mysterious darkstones floating in the air, they are NOT from Teth, they were there even before I summoned her

[wintry matrix]

i like to imagine this used to be actual functional elevator but abyss squad scavenged even those darkstones

[atomic sapphire]

Gramps being so tall

[stiff tangle]

Have you guys ever wonder how much do Skychildren know about nature?

[distant pebble]

??

[narrow marsh]

These photography sessions are great Luca! Once you collect enough of them we can start amassing a masterlist of message links to each.

[narrow marsh]

I like to think of what players think about being what their skykids think about... and us players here in Lorechat think about Sky's nature a lot! ❤️ 🕯️

[narrow marsh]

Good eye! Would you say those darkstone particles are localized over a specific place, or did you find them in the air just about anywhere as a particle effect?

[distant pebble]

These are actual rocks

[wintry matrix]

tbh i did not put much thoughts into them but i might in my next eden run, i just randomly noticed them while trying to take photos of the eden made out of stars and playing with camera brightness but yes they are defo 3D models

also when you turn around fast enough after summoning Teth, you can see her diamond being assembled (it spawns near where you first enter orbit room)

[wintry matrix]

they were also pretty high up so im not sure if i will be able to get to them by myself, i reborn only with 7 flaps (i wasnt playing often in the past)

[wintry matrix]

hmm do you think that skid cape recharge animation has feathers/scales animation because we technically come from megabird?

or the cape is "blessing" from megabird

[narrow marsh]

I'm speaking in functional game system terms, rather than worldbuilding. If something is a 'particle', I'm referring to how it's a 3D visually present 'entity', but it isn't interactable nor does it collide with anything else in the game.

Another example of particles are the little light specks that come off of your cape as your flap, or that float towards you from any flame or whatnot that is recharging you.

Hope this helps! 🕯️

[wintry matrix]

it looked 3D

[narrow marsh]

It'd be really cool if you could get video of that but if not no biggie.
I haven't been to Eden in so long...
Having 12 flaps at all times is just infinitely so convenient, though. 🕯️

[wintry matrix]

wow they put reset barrier to prairie elder too, boo

[narrow marsh]

I didn't even know you can do that! I should place some around for folks. 🕯️

[wintry matrix]

yeah reset barrier even after meditation

grr cant do research when moths keep honking the butterflies in temple

[wintry matrix]

isle elder is unreachable for me atm

prairie elder too unfortunately

[spiral vault]

I think as much as any other child. They don't know much about the world, but they can learn

[earnest briar]

@narrow marsh @long vessel
I have terrible news. The Krill repellent spell does not work on either Bobbit, and me thinking that the baby Bobbit in Sanctuary doing no damage because of the spell was actually because it can’t really hurt you at all.
(I have to send these videos in separate messages because Discord throws a tantrum if my video size exceeds 10 MB. This was not helped by the fact my Switch’s recording feature is dumb and finicky and doesn’t record what and when I want it to, instead turning out to have started recording things from before I even pressed the button, or just refusing to take a video capture when I press the button and not explaining why. I am in pain.)

because of the aforementioned Switch recording feature being dumb and stupid and finicky and not recording what I want it to, I could not get the last few seconds of the Bobbit tossing me away and draining some of my cape energy. But I hope this is enough.
DISCORD WHY DID YOU CHOOSE A FILE I ALREADY UPLOADED THAT IS NOT WHAT I WANTED

Never mind, let me try this again and hope it gets the right ones in the right order this time.

[autumn rivet]

These are some amazing photos ngl. Thanks for your hard work. As for the three spires, I had tried taking a few close ups with pigi rocket but it didn't turn out that pretty. If I go too near, it turns into a plane-levelled 2d texture, and if I go too far down, the blue light on it disappears. It is indeed the same three spires we see many places, e.g. faded mural on our spawn rock.

Regarding the elevator at the reef, I absolutely agree with that thought. I thought the same thing when I was collecting winged light there like a month or so back.

Thank you so very much. I'm wondering if it's the very same seat or if it's a replica of sorts in Eden.

[autumn rivet]

Speaking of photography, if it's helpful, I do have an entire collection of everything isle of dawn has to offer.

Lemme just send them in real quick

1st image below: Daleth's carving on portal

2 : tombstone at isle

3,4,5,6, : murals in cave/tunnel

7 : symbol on boats. same symbol as that on Daleth's forehead

8, 9: evidences of butterfly trapping/collection/transport

1 : murals on rite of passage rock

2,3 : butterfly trapping

4 : scenic photo of raised platform at isle and the pillars surrounding it which might/might not have served architectural purposes

5,6,7,8: engravings on bells, these two are at the raised stone platform where we fly to the temple (same for all small bells)

9,10 : more butterfly trapping in the island to the right in clouds. However pots appear much older than the ones below in the isle area.

1 : Two player door at the island to the right.

2,3: evidence of darkstone usage

4 : pattern on the solid netting on windows, repeated everywhere.

5,6, : opening of the doors and patterns made thereof

1,2 : the two murals at the two side walls before the entrance to the temple meditation spot.

3 : the room before the gates

4 : the carving of shrine portals to different realms we see on top of gate.

5 : Daleth's seat/shrine/statue

6 : view of Eden in cutscene

7 : view of Daleth in cutscene

8 : bells after isle temple

[autumn rivet]

Oooooh that's interesting to know.

It would mean that the spell functions quite literal to its name. With the name of the dark dragon repellent spell, it probably repels only dark dragons.

Meanwhile the one at the peaks is a baby dragon while the one at the sanctuary is a baby dark worm.

So are baby dragons not fully considered dark dragons in nature. A human baby would still be called a human. But the way dark dragons are formed is fundamentally different indeed and that makes the two (dark dragon and baby dark dragon) VERY different creatures indeed

A dark dragon formation involves this. (Images 1 and 2)

Meanwhile, as can be seen in the third mural, baby dragons are quite different.

Ofc what we see in the second image is the leviathan and not just any dark dragon

Considering dark stones, I must say that the shape of the dark stones is etched into all boats in sky, even ones found in isle as referenced from my pics.

However we have never seen boats using the dark stones for any functions.

Might they be a brand marking of sorts to denote that they carried light and other materials for darkstone production?

Or were there different transportation companies during their civilisation?

[narrow marsh]

Fascinating, thank you for your sacrifice soldier.
Did the bigger bobbit still take away WL while the spell was active? Or just cape Light? 🕯️

[narrow marsh]

My personal contribution to this particular discussion:

Has anyone proposed that the Elder's floor in Vault may indeed be a Mental/Shared Space?
If this floor was a representation of Eden's thrones rather than two identical throne platforms existing in Vault and then Eden, it could be explained as the Vault Elder's recollection/memory of the thrones seen in Eden. 🕯️

[narrow marsh]

I've never noticed how much evidence there is in Isle of butterflies getting free out from pots, very cool!

[ashen fractal]

Omg these pictures are awesome! Thank you!

I did want to ask what are people's thoughts on the mural in three cave of Prophecy? I found these images and it sort of looks like it symbolizes the Elders attacking a castle (probably symbilizing the Eden Elder?). But that might be just me?

I also just noticed in the mural three dark dragons are moving away from the mountain as of that's where they started.

[spiral vault]

I think it just shows all the realms united as one

[autumn rivet]

The murals in the cave of prophecy tell the story of Alef "the chosen one", "the child of light", "the child of the prophecy" etc. Many titles this guy got for himself.

Objectively, it shows how he finished the four trials (might probably have been the first one) and recieved the power of one element each and the end of each trial. And 4 elders took the power of four elements, they were :

Prairie elder taking - earth
Forest elder taking - water
Valley elders taking - wind
Wasteland elder taking - fire

Apparently the isle elder daleth and the vault elder lamed took nothing

Might have been because of selflessness or for other reasons.

The old guy daleth just looks tired. Like come on, ar that age even I doubt id have aspirations to go master an element or use it for stuff.

As for the vault elder, he seemed obsessed with knowledge. Consider him a librarian/historian of sorts who wished only to preserve knowledge and record what went down

[ashen fractal]

I knew the other parts of the mural showed the trials. This one was just odd to me as it didn't portray any trial or seem to reference them in the depiction. Just the kingdom.

[autumn rivet]

Now the real questions which are highly up to interpretation :

Why did Alef give the power of the elements to these elders?

Was it a contractual agreement that he'll give them the elemental powers in return for something?

Was it coercion from the elders?

And if you are referring to only the last part/mural drawing. It does indeed refer to Eden.

If you happen to stand at the stone platform near it where there's a fire pot, it'll show you that Alef is in the middle, hovering with his ever unique mask that we see almost everywhere in the game.

The huge mountain here is definitely Eden and not anything else.

It is my belief that this is referring to the experiment/events that led up to the shattering. We can very clearly see the large number of people kneeling around the mountain, just like we see in the mural from Eden 2nd stage shelter building.

It is the same people we see petrified/statuefied/trapped in pnr

This might be referring to how these people came not from a few places but from all realms.
Meaning, people from all realms came by to Eden to observe whatever Alef was attempting. It can be seen that they were praying for it to succeed too which denotes it must have been a very important attempt at something.

[ashen fractal]

Were there other parts of the mural that show him giving elements to the elders? (I'm collecting my mural photos and I see people posting them here so I was curious about this)

[autumn rivet]

That sounds very plausible indeed. Because the thrones at the vault feel way too eerily similar to the ones in Eden. While I agree with them being architecturally advanced, I see no purpose of having a replicated version of the thrones in two places that are relatively close by. A shared memory of the vault elder seems a much more plausible theory than most.

[spiral vault]

Yeah, we don't know how or why, but this was an event that happened

[autumn rivet]

The third series of murals that open up after you finish the trial of wind show this specifically

Although we have no idea if he voluntarily gave them or if it was snatched from him.

I really like to believe he made a contract of sorts with the elders. Probably a contract where, in exchange for the elemental powers, he asked for their support in experiments/etc that he performed with the light, the experiment in Eden that everyone from their civilisation was eagerly waiting to succeed, but which ended in utter failure and the shattering

[ashen fractal]

I finished the trails and have photos of the whole cave is just... sorting them has been interesting ^^u

Thank you ill look for those while I organize.

[autumn rivet]

Interestingly enough, the broken pots near boats atop the island do not have any butterflies nearby them. I have yet to figure out what could have possibly happened to them. They could survive in a desert but they just disappeared in greenery? Or maybe the boat just had empty pots at the moment and I'm thinking too much into it

[autumn rivet]

All the best xd, if you got some good pics, do send them here when convenient. I'm making an infographic on lore and having pics would help loads, I'll credit ofc

[ashen fractal]

I make lore vids for a different game so I'm going through and trying to take photos of all the murals I remember. (So I can make an art lore Sky vid when I know the game better)

It's taking me a bit, obv. I don't know that I'll really come across anything you haven't already seen. But I am trying taking things from different angles and such.

So um... currently it's abit of a mess but I know how to organize samples so I'll have them in order eventually

[autumn rivet]

Also about this btw, al made an extensive guide for the creatures in case this hasn't been shared here.

Thanks to @tawny pumice for putting this info together

[autumn rivet]

That sounds like an amazing project!!! Will look forward to seeing your views and interpretations regarding sky. Hope everything goes well. Best of luck xd

[ashen fractal]

I just like reading theories here. But I'm sure it will take me a bit to re-learn everything (I played in 2019/2020 then stopped until a few weeks ago).

So I'm catching up. It will take me a bit. I'll gladly share photos though, as someone who did both art and science, murals and pottery tell you a lot about a culture. I love how that is mirrored in Sky.

[autumn rivet]

Indeed. Idk why, but a lot of things in sky fall together very neatly in place when connected. The architectural ideas here are especially beautifully implemented.

[narrow marsh]

It's all more Connected than you could imagine. 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️

[narrow marsh]

There are no butterflies anywhere atop that green plateau? Perhaps they went on towards the Prairie, who's to say? 🕯️

[narrow marsh]

It's certainly a lot to unpack. We look forward to hearing your interpretations! 🕯️

[wintry matrix]

What realm details you wanna see next?

[wintry matrix]

We did actually 🤓☝️ the ones that give you ride to hermit valley glow faint blue when active

And the boat “eyes” glows blue too iirc

[autumn rivet]

Oh that does sound quite practical. Since the clouds are the only things between the island and the prairie, they might have gone ahead.

[autumn rivet]

Whoa I completely forgot about that. Will it be safe to assume then that at one point of time, dark stones can also turn into normal stone by some specific natural process? That would explain a hella ton of the dark stones shaped stones carvings/engravings on numerous places around the world

[wintry matrix]

Well they pretty much started as regual stone if you think about it. Regual stone that glows but still. Remove the glow just like you remove it from refined darkstone and you get a rock. Even the broken one Teth uses does not look like ones we see on doors to temples and elevators and stuff

I tried to break into the small rooms in forest temple now I know it was a darkstone factory but there is not much to see there. Would be cool if they added something there after two embers but I doubt they will

Theres nothing behind the doors on sides of gw temple either. The room that leads to vault looks hella cool without the blue glow and mist but it teleports you to vault shortly after entering, I might try to get there once again to snap some photos with being really careful how far I step inside

[wintry matrix]

theres quite strong winds blowing towards prairie, rather than willingly going there, they propably got blow out by wind there

[wintry matrix]

missable but not invisible during normal light conditions - there are lights on in some village of dreams windows, assuming the village spirits we freed didnt go to orbit and instead decided to keep living in the village or there even might be more spirits living there we are yet to see

[rough urchin]

I'm trying to write a song about sky, but I don't want to get anything wrong so I just want to check, even if it might be obvious. What's the elders' or skykids' thoughts on eachother? As in, how would they think about eachother and is there any "rudeness" of some sorts going around between them?

[wintry matrix]

also those boats are moving way faster than you think, took couple of tries and falling down the hill to get good shot

they slow down near station and then go WOOOSH

[wintry matrix]

We dont k ow to be honest, everyone is waiting for Two embers

[autumn rivet]

Considering it is the valley of the hermit, I think it can be safe to assume that it was relatively secluded and not many people visited except the hermit and his disciple and other skating lovers.

It's evident from the fishing spots that the village must have been more likely than not, self sufficient as far as it came to food. In fact, we could even say it must have been a very popular tourist destination considering the presence of the hot spring, a theatre, a hall for music and so much more. There's even a ball game field for entertainment.

However, considering the station at hermit valley, it could also have acted as a transit point for boat routes.

I wanna go and explore the hermit's abode a bit more tbh. The insides are darkly lit and easy to ignore so I've never paid it much attention but I'm getting curious

[wintry matrix]

Then explain the lone power tower past the station, leading nowhere? It is not for boats to turn, they turn at station

[autumn rivet]

I should have a look again, I have never looked at the hermit valley closely enough. As you said the station is quite run down so it's definitely a more plausible explanation that not many people visited it. The lone tower boggles even my mind

[wintry matrix]

Im still on that map, just had to go afk for a bit, the caves do not offer much to see

[autumn rivet]

Wait I wrote something harmless and it got blocked I don't know why :

[autumn rivet]

I guess focusing on the village for further investigations will be more fruitful then

[autumn rivet]

Spirits working from home for real xd

Stealing staffs as a hermit is wild fr lmao. And dayumn he was strong for those axes. Considering the number of pots, just how much did he need and just why. He might have been using them for storing food if he had a habit of not going out of the valley without valid cause

[wintry matrix]

i think they are for storing food yeah

theres also huge bed but it is way too dark around it even with max brightness on camera prop

[scenic pebble]

i think he may have worked on the ferry before the new guidance system was invented and the staffs were used for guiding the boats

[autumn rivet]

I could help provide some lighting, can come online rn

[wintry matrix]

i didnt notice the lamp next to cake before, it provides lot more light than just the cake

[scenic pebble]

bro was big enough to be a retired Wasteland giant

[autumn rivet]

That does seem quite plausible ngl, wasteland giant lmao

The second photo looks quite cinematic if I may say so myself xd

[wintry matrix]

also the axes right next to the bed... just how many dangers you encounter in the middle of the night this high up in the mountains??

[autumn rivet]

If the table is that small, could he have had pupils who weren't just skaters but who learnt other things from him. Did he teach how to use the axe?

[wintry matrix]

it is still so dark normally even with all the lights

[scenic pebble]

i mean
i've heard of quite a few people who go ahead and live in the woods or live in some other hermit way after serving in the military so who knows what was the past of the Hermit
he might've even gotten called back into service when the civil war started and that could be the reason why we don't actually see him in game

[autumn rivet]

Oh, could I send you my friend code?

[wintry matrix]

tsadi got tired of the murky atmosphere in his realm so he moved next door

white is better than swamp green

[wintry matrix]

i mean if you want to, sure but im moving elsewhere now

[scenic pebble]

we may never know
but it may make us question just how safe the realms were outside of the develoed and populated areas

[autumn rivet]

Lmao, would be funny if the elders would be paying him random visits for tea time or something

Oh no issues, I would be happy just having a friend who likes lore xd

[wintry matrix]

tbh besides vault (and eden obviously), valley is the most developed realm of all of them, maybe it rivaled wasteland in its prime

[scenic pebble]

it might have been his refuge where he would go on holidays
or home to a different Wasteland giant

[wintry matrix]

just him playing santa for all the kids down in the village

[scenic pebble]

the parts we see
the Village of Dreams is a relatively underdeveloped spot, kind of like a suburb.
so maybe there were still a few hills that were mostly untouched

[wintry matrix]

forcing sah and mekh to be his little elves

"Oi, we let you have a vacation spot in our realm, you have no rights to give us orders!"
huge shadow appears
"Stop complaining and put the green dress on."
"... Y-yes sir."

[autumn rivet]

There might still be a lot of parts of valley we haven't seen. Just what we've seen is the grander sites and a slightly developed village. Although I feel it is more than just a village with the facilities it has (nothing compared to aviary but it's got much more than what other realms offer)

[autumn rivet]

Agreed

[earnest briar]

It only took cape light. I was gradually drained of two cape wedges while the Bobbit was shaking me around like a chew toy, and it took away two more cape wedges when it threw me. The darkness particles you may have seen in the videos did not actually originate from/cover the body of the Bobbit, those were coming from my Sky Kid, because of the visual effect indicating that the Krill repellent spell is active.

I know some people here are speculating that the Bobbits are smaller forms of Krills, but based on the spell not protecting against them, and their visual differences, I believe that the Bobbits are their own separate species to Krills.

[maiden glen]

What did I say that was bad?

Once, the world of Sky was bright and whole. The Golden Wasteland was a place full of warmth, nearly connected to the Valley of Triumph.
Back then, the Krill were not monsters — they were creatures of pure light, soaring free under the golden sky. ✨🕊️

But then… came the Eye of Eden — a dark, mysterious force that corrupted everything it touched. 🌑

The krill weren’t strong enough to resist the Eye of Eden…
But they were just strong enough to survive.
Twisted in body, but not in spirit, they still remember what they once were. 💔🐉

They don’t hate the light.
They’re desperate for it.
When they see a glowing Skychild, they chase it down — not out of anger, but in hope. They try to absorb the light, hoping to regain what they’ve lost. 🕯️

That’s why the Golden Wasteland has become dark, damp, and poisonous.
Its light has been drained by the krill in their sorrowful quest…
And now, the Valley of Triumph may be next. ⚠️

But the krill aren’t the only victims.
Some creatures didn’t survive the Eye of Eden at all…
Like the magical scarf creatures from Journey, which we now only see as butterflies in Sky — quiet symbols of an ancient world, erased by darkness. 🦋

✨ Yet there is hope.

We, the Skychildren, may one day help them.
We may light the way not just for ourselves…
…but for the krill and the lost souls, too.

Because Sky is not just a game.
It’s a world of light waiting to be healed. 💫

[earnest briar]

Firstly, Bobbit antennae are much thinner and capable of bending, and glow red at their tips. Krill horns are much thicker, do not glow and have a more bent, jagged shape. And while they are capable of moving, the horns cannot bend like Bobbit antennae can.

Second, judging by the two red slits on their faces, Bobbits seem to have 2 eyes. Ones which are always red, and do not project a spotlight. Krills, as anyone who has gone to Golden Wasteland knows, have one eye, which is blue and projects a blue spotlight when patrolling, and really only turns red once they’ve spotted a potential snack. It does not make much sense for a creature to go from having two eyes in it’s younger stage to only one in it’s adult stage. That would only lessen it’s cone of vision, not widen it.

[wintry matrix]

wonder if this gate is sky version of torii gates

[earnest briar]

Third, their hunting habits. Krills will actively patrol along a set path looking for food. Upon spotting said food (Sky Kids), they will rear up before lunging towards their target, slamming into them and knocking loose multiple Winged Light.

Bobbits also follow this pattern of behavior of patrolling a certain area, but they take a much more passive approach to it. Keeping themselves buried and burrowing through the sand, only occasionally poking out their antennae to check for disturbances, then reburying themselves if they don’t detect anything and continuing their route. If they do detect something, they will mostly emerge from the sand and attempt to track a Sky Kid’s movement before lunging at them and biting them. Upon successfully grabbing a Sky Kid, they passively drain our cape energy, shake us around, then toss us away, ultimately doing little harm unless you’re already low on cape energy. However they never fully emerge from the sand and attempt to follow us for a better chance at catching us, whereas Krills tend to be very good at finding ways to get you, even when they probably shouldn’t.

[wintry matrix]

the forest architecture lowkey looks japanese/asian overall and just look at beta teth, thats rice paper parasol

this mask is still on top of forest temple gate btw

[earnest briar]

Lastly, habitats. While Season of Abyss has shown us that Krills can remain submerged under water without issue, and can swim around quite easily, they mostly tend to remain airborne.

As of thus far, Bobbits have only been found within bodies of water, capable of existing within both freshwater (Prairie Peaks’s river, the small cove where Grateful Shell Collector resides where water from the waterfall meets and combines with the ocean) and saltwater. (Everywhere else the baby Bobbit has been seen in Sanctuary.)

[midnight sonnet]

This may not be super important but look at this it’s wholesome lore

[wintry matrix]

yeah they run around like this almost every day

[wintry matrix]

speaking of which, valley architecture gives me tibet vibes but i might be biased cuz all those snowy mountains and stuff

[narrow marsh]

Very pretty!

[distant pebble]

I need to say this but maybe skykids Don't really count as krill food
I like to think krills attack us cuz they mistake us for mantas (maybe other light creatures) they can actually eat and not used to these Unidentified Flying Children since all they can acually do is boink the wl out of you

[wintry matrix]

last time i went there they were standing still

teth model is definitely smaller than in oob

[scenic pebble]

it's the Forest symbol as far as i remember

[scenic pebble]

tybet/Buthan
the artbook mentions some of that if i recall correctly

[manic owl]

Hey guys can someone tell me who was attacking spirits in season of rememberance? And why they were being attacked?

[scenic pebble]

attacking?
wdym?

[manic owl]

When u release the spirits, we can see their memories right. In their memories they were hiding from ppl with spear. Not only hiding, those ppl also throw spears and killed the family or friends of the spirits we realeased (i hope u understand cuz english isnt my first language)

We have wounded warrior stance, he got injured by those ppl (i said were attacking)

[manic owl]

Oh sorry i should reply ur message

[wintry matrix]

it is memories from war

the name of the map gives you hint - repository of refugee, they are refugees who lost their loved ones in a war (with eden/dark creatures) and are hiding inside vault

[manic owl]

Who is vs who in this war?

[wintry matrix]

its complicated and we are still missing some details

[manic owl]

Hmmm icic tysm! So actually its the same war which happened in gw (in aurora concert)

[scenic pebble]

guards most likely
alternatively, they could be king's men

[manic owl]

Ohh thankss

[scenic pebble]

it depends on where do you believe the memories take place

[wintry matrix]

tbh all of it is open to interpretation until two embers where we hopefully get answers to lot of stuff

the whole war stuff, who started it etc

hmm, all elders (well except twins i guess) have blue diamond on their mask that turns white when you return them their light, while skids are born with orange as default, propably means nothing, its just interesting detail i noticed

im sorry for that moomin on tsadi 🤣

i dont have any other closeup of him without that plushie

[scenic pebble]

it may imply that the twins were rebellious teens that did not want to conform to the Elder rules
also, the diamond is in fact a recurring motif that symbolizes the Ancestor civilization in all of it's aspects
it may symbolize their loyalty to the Sky Kingdom and Resh
or it may just be a inclusion of the motif to reinforce it, who knows

[wintry matrix]

some regual spirits have it too (or atleast the wearable cosmetics do), i know scolding student has it

wait not her, who was it damnit

[scenic pebble]

the diamond turning white may be a reference to the color spectrum of Sky

[wintry matrix]

bellmaker has it and its orange

[scenic pebble]

he may have been a part of an upper caste during his life or have achieved some level of seniority or other way of higher social status to get that
there are some masks that have it painted on them instead

[wintry matrix]

i think like half of the constellations spirits have them

some seasonal too but in different colors (both outline and center)

some spirits from constellations dont even have masks on

[scenic pebble]

we can say that they are fulfilling some sort of an important role that they've achieved a certain level of seniority in
also some soldiers

[wintry matrix]

hide and seek pioneer has it

[scenic pebble]

nope
she has it painted on her mask

[wintry matrix]

so do skids

[scenic pebble]

no
skids have a crystal in there

[wintry matrix]

im talking about the orange part the whole time

[scenic pebble]

oh, sorry, we were talking about two different things then

[long tiger]

So I put together a rough timeline for sky

So basically we end up in aviary Then Dreams-> Enchantment-> Flight->Performance->Moments and then finally passage all happen after which is when I assume gratitude lightseekers and belonging happen after which abyss through blue bird happen

I'm counting little prince aurora and blue bird as canon btw

[narrow marsh]

Kinda! Since the people being attacked in Remembrance are civilians rather than the usual soldier vs soldier, I've personally interpreted these scenes as visual showcases of the Ruler's army and police

• arresting people
• enforcing curfews
• crushing rebel forces
• drafting/forcing people to go to war against the rebellion and creatures (and often die for the cause)...

This aligns quite appropriately with the the Valley and Wasteland Elder's roles in the Ruler's regime, which was to spread propaganda and silence any protest, according to the art book.
The events shown in Remembrance definitely happen around the same time as, if not during, the war.

I hope this helps! Very scary stuff though, wouldn't you say? 🕯️

[wintry matrix]

one of them is soldier 🤓 ☝️

[narrow marsh]

Excellent! You know from which side?

[wintry matrix]

the one where they drag away the kids mother geniunely made me sad

[wintry matrix]

i dont know but he sure is one 🤣

but this makes it sound like he is on civilians side

kings soldier would not go friend-friend with "regual people"

the sitting version of his stance is just average soccer player after a bug hits his leg

[wintry matrix]

gee, now it came to me - what if hermit has those two battle axes right by his bed for to deal with anyone trying to drag him to the war

king would see how big and strong he is and "yep, thats a fine soldier right here, take him to me"

or maybe he is former soldier who ran away and hides his face on purpose

[scenic pebble]

he might've served before he retired as a hermit
what's more is that he might've been called back
has he answered the call?
or maybe he sought to join the other side
either way his grave does not lie on those snowcapped peaks

[earnest briar]

Don’t apologize for it! I think it enhances the photo.

[narrow marsh]

That last line sounds so metal

[narrow marsh]

Fun fact, but the devs have already given us an answer about the axes; they tell us the axes were for juggling! And that the yeti was an entertainer

Theorists naturally reacted to this comment in many different ways, and in some ways this only further exacerbated the "yep, he definitely was a general who felt bad that he murdered people" into being more popular! These social energies are so fascinating to me. 🕯️

[gleaming mango]

A theory I have about Bearhug Hermit is that they’re a lumberjack, and their axes are for gathering wood and stuff, although your theories are just as valid

[earnest briar]

There’s a tunnel to the Wind Paths behind the Hermit’s home, and with the prevalent use of those bird-headed ski lift boats in Village of Dreams and Hermit Valley, this could retroactively lend credibility to them using those axes for practical purposes as well as entertainment ones. After all, Hidden Forest is the place to go for trees.

[narrow marsh]

Mini-chunk of a much longer unfinished essay incoming! ⚠️ ⚠️ ⚠️

On Ambiguity: The Artist's Conscious and Unconscious Intention 🔵 🌊 🖌️

I don't have to settle for Blue just "meaning whatever people choose it to mean" when I can recognize the mechanics behind its versatility.

• Trapped vs. Immaterial
• Recollection vs. Processing
• Frozen vs. Flowing

Artists do not 'actually' choose for Blue to represent one of these things or another. These may be distinct Destinations, but they are not Blue. Rather, Blue is the movement between these Definitions.
The Vectors.

So what an artist is selecting Blue to be used for, is to represent the direction towards any of these destinations.
(Of all the things to be obsessed with in life I choose semantics...)

vector
"Vector, in physics, is a quantity that has both magnitude and direction. It is typically represented by an arrow whose direction is the same as that of the quantity and whose length is proportional to the quantity’s magnitude. Although a vector has magnitude and direction, it does not have position."

It does not have position. Only direction, and accumulating intensity of that direction.

This matches along quite well with the current research so far over the Oscillation theory and the Connection Spectrum as a whole; it does nothing to draw conclusions prematurely, when the very nature of Light is to be in constant flux (impermanence) along the Spectrum.
And so with that same mindset, we can annotate Blue just as we annotate Connection: as Directions, not Destinations. I believe we will find that the same will end up happening for all of the colors, and perhaps all of the every Theme ever... but I'll only know if I look.
🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️

[Part 3/??????]

[earnest briar]

I’m imagining your various essays on Sky Colors to, in-universe, be the result of your Sky Kid coming across a color wheel and color theory charts in the Radiance Workshop, and promptly hijacking the front desk for themselves to rant about The Implications to any customers who have the misfortune of entering the store. Meanwhile Radiance Guide watches this all unfold with confusion and concern.

[polar forge]

Lore lurker here, I freaking love this idea

It feels like someone just walking up to you in the middle of the street and just yapping about FNAF lore for 6 hours straight

[sour sphinx]

Based on the Two Embers, the Sky Kingdom used to be thriving. Including the six realms and Eye of Eden! As time went on, I'm guessing the King used the Eden Crystal to gain power, which probably drained energy from everything. Including people and corruption started taking over and people became physically sick (in a couple trailers, I noticed both of the main characters parents got sick from the corruption sickness)

[narrow marsh]

That unfortunately fits perfectly as per a younger-self's obsession with psychoanalyzing everyone around me.

"Oh, you chose Green? You know what that means about you, don't you? "

I'm glad I'm growing past that. I can recognize that it's all anguish from myself, and that awareness turns this into Love for the process, instead of scrutiny and Control over how people live. 🕯️

[wintry matrix]

T-there are no trees in valley-

[gleaming mango]

My bad, I forgot

[wintry matrix]

Stewies little manatee is sick too even has some harness later prolly to help them stay afloat

And we dont see this manatee around anymore in present day-

[gaunt ore]

[wintry matrix]

Colors being the zodiac signs of sky kingdom

[wintry matrix]

i finally got the brazier (I missed juggler visit because of burnout) now I can document even more lore, only bad thing is you cant carry two props at once so its either camera or the brazier

[scenic pebble]

have you tried leaving the camera outside your hands and then shooting a photo?

[spark island]

You know on the wardrobe section, why does the picture skid have horns?

[wintry matrix]

wdym?

[distant pebble]

antenna/j
but tbh always wandered that

[scenic pebble]

you know the third camera mode?
the one where the camera just floats

[unique widget]

I think you mean the camera prop?

[wintry matrix]

i know but thats entirely out of what i was talking about)

[scenic pebble]

oh, okay, i used that mode to light some dark places for photos

[wintry matrix]

i need the brazier to have something to stand on + recharge (especially when getting different angles from OOB) but I also need the camera prop and I cant carry both

[scenic pebble]

then i guess you just need a photo buddy

[wintry matrix]

"no one is gonna see this" ahh texture

[unique widget]

Looks so out of place so white XD

[wintry matrix]

"Teth, we ran out of metal because of you wanted that huge manta cage, we dont have anything to build the spikes with."
"Just use whatever is left and paint it silver."

funniest thing is that back side has just regual texture, they could have stretch it over the whole spikes and no one would bat an eye lol

but no we got bricks with landlord special

heh, guess no exploring of top of that temple, there is reset barrier that sends you all the way back to start of boneyard

[split fossil]

Landlord special I am CRYING thank you for that hahaha

[earnest briar]

I know this isn’t on-topic, but I just wanted to say that I love your outfit, Luca. Your Sky Kid looks adorable!

[wintry matrix]

thank you!

im doing the trials now and ofc doing skips and just random thought came to me - Alef did the trials too, what if he was like us and said screw that and started wall hopping in earth trial and stuff

they tried to stop him but his jumps were longer

[earnest briar]

I remember an old conversation about that in lorechat, way back before I took a break from the server. Something like “Alef snuck stuff like climbing equipment with them into the Trials because Sky Kids seem to tend to be smaller than Ancestor Kids, so they were at a disadvantage compared to the rest of the Prophets’ students.”

[wintry matrix]

just like skids can carry a boat on their backs, so did alef in water trial

[earnest briar]

That conversation became my headcanon explanation for why we can’t use props or spells in the Trials. The Prophets ban them in an attempt to stop us from cheating like Alef did.

[wintry matrix]

exactly, they even put invisible walls to earth trial but that aint gonna stop anyone

well someone still managed to put a spell in fire trial

[narrow marsh]

H o w

Oh, but memories would be so nice to see in Trials. It would make it feel much less isolating.

[sour sphinx]

Not sure how they did it either 😅

[earnest briar]

Maybe they smuggled it in under their mask.

[wintry matrix]

i found couple more inside fire trial too, they all were showing the shortcuts, i used them as source of light instead haha

[long vessel]

I just saw someone offhandedly describe a darkness-covered skykid as stinky (lol) and it occurred to me I have never actually given thought to what darkness might smell like. What do you guys think? Does darkness stink? How would you describe the smell?

[wintry matrix]

Burnt.

[celest birch]

Probably a mix of tar, ash and rot.

[wintry matrix]

Not the rot 😭😭😭 i still vividly remember how horribly that dead hare under our window last summer stank 😭😭😭😭

I will stay with my imagination it smells like something is burning 😭😭😭

[spiral vault]

Bearhug Hermit being an axe juggler seems like a weird thing to me, those axes were placed for a specific reason. It would make sense for them to be a former warrior

[spiral vault]

I can't wait for the inevitable tragedy

[narrow marsh]

This is exactly what I love about Shared Memories. We are so capable of such profound expressions of community. ❤️ 🕯️

[celest birch]

Would be for the best; I implied rot because of the Darkness Plants on whale bones and Eden knows what nastiness is inside the goo-waters of GW.

[narrow marsh]

Exactly, and they are so big. But I'm just referencing what the dev interaction (I believe it was Ash?) said. 🕯️

Looking back through the archives the answer was rather flimsy. It's up to our personal interpretation, as usual.

[narrow marsh]

Does Light substance (both corrupted and not-corrupted) even have a smell?

[celest birch]

Probably not unless being a part of something living, like a Light Creature.

But well, that´s speculation, since technically it´s not known about the biological aspects of them.

[wintry matrix]

I already know I will cry like a baby for sure if they add the eden flight theme, Im easily influenced by music

[wintry matrix]

maybe sky people dont even have sense of smell, they dont even have nose cope

[wintry matrix]

on some instances you can smell "ozone" from light(ing)

[narrow marsh]

Right, and these interpretations are of the common assumptions that Light substance does not have mass. (Due to the immediate assumption that Light = light).

I suppose I just personally operate under the possibility that Light substance is some kind of living mass rather than just lightwaves.

So that raises the question between our takes, then. Does an entity have to visibly be a recognizable creature in order to be considered as possibly alive? 🕯️

[celest birch]

Well, they´re kind of dead ... 😅 only Skykids remaining and all.

[wintry matrix]

i meant it like overall from biology side

[celest birch]

Same, since they´re a definition of "alien biology". Same applies to Light Creatures.

[wintry matrix]

i mean plasma is a mass

and sometimes i feel like im looking at plasma when i see light creature, especially on sanctuary islands-

[celest birch]

I actually wouldn´t be surprised if all light is actually alive, only difference between being alive as a soul and alive as a visible-biological being.

[celest birch]

Speaking of which, boy am I interested in what is the front-"shell"/spike of the Elder Manta.

[wintry matrix]

spirits from "having a mass" side are interesting cuz in one hand you can pass through them but in other they are able to hug you, give you food etc

[wintry matrix]

mentioned in concept art that it is carbon, every gray part of creatures and elder masks are carbon

charcoal, not carbon, sorry

this is same reason why i associate darkness with burnt smell (i just mixed up carbon and charcoal as words, english is not my first language)

here it mentions charcoal for creatures too

this is also interesting

only if they die by darkness or (i guess) being directly killed by someone/something, only then they leave bones

sky timeline from tom zhao concept arts

i think this confirm alef is resh

[scenic pebble]

'ey ye know what?
the Nine Colored Deer feels like a tale from the days after the Shattering
hear me out
we have
a benevolent force that guides and helps all life
a King that wishes to harness said power
bad stuff happens after the King realizes his dream

and finally, there's a hopeful conclusion
that a child will come and along all other life will make things right
they will banish the Darkness and make everyone change their ways
but in the end it's just that
A wishful tale, and one which would be confined to the realm of imagination for far far too long

other details would be the Villager who sought to make things right being the anti-Resh insurgency/revolution
the poisoning of the water could be the darkstone industry polluting the realms
the entire kingdom is in the sands, possibly noting that the tale could've been dreamt up by some refugees seeking refuge in the Vault as they passed through the realms that were now covered by the weird snow/ash/sand thingy

but what's most interesting is that darkness in this tale is present from the beginning, and the Deer protects from it
it's almost as if darkness was always there, and that only in the light can we be safe from it, that we should cherish the flame instead of trapping it and forcing it to do our bidding we should utilize it with respect

but in the end it's just my personal interpretation

[narrow marsh]

You are able to pass through Spirits standing in Aviary?

[pastel brook]

I hear music coming from Aviary Village... would anyone like to waltz with me?

[narrow marsh]

Charcoal is what the concept art says but in terms of the community (not just Lorechat) investigating canon, many people tend to eventually point out that this is just a concept, and moreso a Theme than a concrete into-Launch detail.

However, as a Theme, we can extrapolate a more general idea of what the shells are and what they could be.

In-game observations of traditionally (in real life) living things expressed as hardened stone or having hardened shells:

• crabs
• clams
• dark creatures
• calcified/indifferent ancestors/descendants
• creature headpieces
• trees (iffy)
• masks (iffy)

While we don't have to assert carbon as the hardened material that can form from Beings of Light, we can assess the Thematic traits that align with carbonic forms and masses, both biological and nonbiological! In the exact same way we can attribute a lot of our propositions of energy-based lifeforms (photonic mass, plasma) to being a crucial spearhead into motivating our brainstorms on Light biology. I think it's extremely helpful. ❤️ 🕯️

[narrow marsh]

I love this take so much

[sly flint]

I have a theory. The glowing sky-kids that give us wl throughout the different realms are the shattered bits of the Eden Guardian's wings. That would explain why darkness fell upon the new sky, because the Eden elder himself/herself lost their wl, which is why we have to collect it to restore light to Sky. That would also explain why we never see the Eden elder.

[narrow marsh]

I've never heard anyone specify that it was the Eden Elder's wings, that's a really nice idea! 🕯️

[spiral vault]

Is it actually a physical hug or are they just 'faking' it?

[wintry matrix]

One interview says it is stone

The skids mask are stone, thats what interview states

[wintry matrix]

Dont say that, I hug Stewie every day 😭😭😭😭 and we can see spirits holding stuff too like when they give us food or darkstones in abyss

[signal heath]

where do the light spheres that we touch in the dailys come from?8 what was their suppose in ancient times? Did the spirits use them for something? lot of questions, can someone tell me something about the lore of them please.

[tender creek]

Only tangentially lore related, but I was listening to I of the Storm by Of Monsters and Men, but it would lowkey make an incredible edit/animatic of Resh in their final moments as the Shattering occurs

[wintry matrix]

Its the elemental orbs from enchantment guide

Basically he makes us play fetch

[signal heath]

I thougjt the colorful yes. but the only light orbs where there before enchantment. could be I'm wrong as I started playing during enchantment

[wintry matrix]

Also we were able to grab cannoneer out of abyss

[river veldt]

i have negative media literacy, can someone explain the second blue bird quest to me?

[wintry matrix]

i will play it in a hour circa, then i can try

[scenic pebble]

lightseekers time
it's just a mote that got big enough
they were probably sought out as a vein of Light or something like that
they may also be the "core" of the big dark plants

[wintry matrix]

or the... gosh how is it called in english

ok lol

figured

those also move pretty slow and make little to no sound at all
history channel about ball lightning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bBNeyrMOJE

[distant pebble]

She was happy with her parents alive
Then they died
blue bird happiness cuz fleeing

[wintry matrix]

basically "dont cry it is over, cry because it happened" aka we should cherish all the memories we have but not be stuck in the past ourselves because then we will not find the true happiness

[worldly birch]

It was on my mind for a while but Minful Miner outfit and Shattering Light outift have such a similiar vibes.
It's more of a headcanon but i like the idea of these outfits made from the same cloth that doesnt allow dye it like other outfits.
(Pictures are from Sky-planner by Silverfeelin and Sky: Children of the Light Fandom wiki)

[narrow marsh]

Great question! Light orbs first appeared during the Season of Lightseekers, and though the Lightseekers never interacted with those Lights in any quest notion during that Season, they are highly believed to be related.

The Lightseekers were some sort of group that gathered seemingly rarer sources of Light. On the murals found across the Forgotten Ark, Lightseekers are actually depicted collecting colored/elemental Light for the Enchantment team. Lightseekers also appear in front of the Wisteria tree and saplings, and have a recognizable visual animation where they pull a Light orb right out of the tree/saplings somehow!

My personal interpretations of the Light orbs is that Light substance is everywhere in the air, and can sometimes collect together into small bodies like the orbs. But why do they move around like that? They almost seem alive... 🕯️

[scenic pebble]

"This isn't mere energy anymore
It's life"

[wintry matrix]

that sounds like frankenstein quote

[scenic pebble]

it's a Getter Robo quote
close enough

[wintry matrix]

ahh, mecha anime, thats why i dont know that one
i have never been into any gundam, transformers or other stuff tbh

never seen evangelion either

[long vessel]

Blue Bird lore... round 2! (This one made me cry )

• First thing, remember how we theorized Grandma was the sick one???? Well, turns out Boogie Kid is the one who can be seen coughing at Grandma's side atop the season area stage. Poor baby
• As for the quest itself, we join Sparkler Parent in the Archives as she sits at three headstones. We move through memories of her mom and grandparents. The first, we see the three of them with a very young Sparkler - the grandparents had just built the swing in a favorite tree (need to revisit to verify whose favorite tree it was, but I think it was hers?). We take grandpa down to the platform with Grown Sparkler and the three headstones. Note that the tree has leaves and there are flowers on the ground with the same shape as the Days of Color flowers.
• The second is a slightly older child version of Sparkler in her swing, being pushed by her mom, with grandma nearby on a picnic blanket. I don't remember if we see it in the previous memory, but we clearly see Sparkler's mom wearing the ornate hairpiece with the blue gem that we later see Sparkler Parent wearing. We take grandma to join with Grandpa and Grown Sparkler.
• The third is of Grown Sparkler revisiting the swing with her elderly mother, now hunched and using a cane to walk. When we take Sparkler's elderly mother's hand, her walking cane disappears and her posture returns upright - and then we take her to rejoin her family.
• Finally, we chase and catch the bluebird, only for it all to disappear.

Upon finishing the quest, we unlock the next levels of the coughing emote.

So my interpretations are that:

1. We may be seeing the order in which Sparkler Parent's grandparents and mom all pass away and
2. Boogie Kid is getting sicker while they all try to make him feel better

And lastly, this might be a stretch, I'm not sure... But we originally saw this as the family helping Boogie fight sadness/depression, right?

Well, I think it may be possible that sickness and sadness go hand in hand. Maybe depression can also be linked to Disconnection. Maybe they're desperately trying to make him feel happy again because they're trying to give him something to live for, something that will rekindle his Connection.

Every way I think about it, this season is a real tearjerker

[wintry matrix]

i took closeup of her baby self, she is so cute

[coral shell]

Are spirits colorblind because WHY is the bird CLEARLY CYAN but they call it BLUE

[wintry matrix]

zdravím bratře

rare to see anyone playing sky in thse ends of the world

[coral shell]

The season ending will just be boogies funeral atp and I'm not even shocked.

[earnest briar]

small……

[ashen fractal]

So is it just me or did the worm in the Sanctuary islands grow up? I would say it's the one from Prairie Peaks but idk how it would have gotten here? Has anyone checked the peaks to see if they are still there?

[wintry matrix]

yes it did, twice since first day even

[earnest briar]

I have! The Prairie Peaks worm is still there, and still just as grumpy as last year.

[ashen fractal]

ok well... things are escalating. Um...

[earnest briar]

wait, really!? I haven’t noticed. Though that’s because I’ve had consistent trouble even finding the dust cloud except for in the shallowest locations, let alone get it to emerge from the sand.

[ashen fractal]

the Elder Manta is usually circling the polluted area. But I think the particles have been invisible a few times. I've gone everyday and have not noticed a difference between day 1 and 2. But also I could have easily missed that.

So something about what is going on is causing this thing to grow fast? I am sorry if this was already talked about I just noticed it today the most. I don't know that I bumped into it yesterday.

[wintry matrix]

iirc it grew up on third day

from mimi stage to smaller skid size and then to big guy today

[agile totem]

Talking about this... I think the abyss area would be from Prairie before or its closer to Prairie than Wasteland because the angler always appear in prairie in days of nature, we had prairie spirits there in days of style and we always see just 4 realms being the main realms
Like the revival capes that we can see:

Enchantment: wasteland
Rhythm: valley
Gratitude: forest
Abyss: should be Prairie because already have the Wasteland

And the abyss boat isnt inside the wasteland realm at all, its above in Valley yet

[ashen fractal]

Oh that's interesting

[earnest briar]

My best guess? Something to do with the King Krill. The baby Bobbit appeared in Sanctuary along with the King Krill, and the big dude seems to constantly be shedding dark particles from it’s body into the water.
Maybe all that concentrated darkness is causing the baby Bobbit to grow at an accelerated rate, either because it’s directly feeding on the stuff, or is growing so fast as a stress response because being so small makes it easier for that amount of darkness to get overwhelming for it.

[ashen fractal]

Yeah I was wondering about that. I just got the the end of the Abyss quest and I feel like I saw him shedding darkness? But that may have been my screen tbh.
ty everyone! thank you for answering!

[wintry matrix]

so we just need vault at this point

[wintry matrix]

little squirt got bullied by big bertha for being small so he said "lets talk after a few days"

[scenic pebble]

it's one ocean probably
and if you had to pick where to visit would you choose Wasteland ||the second place most symbolic of the horrors of the Shattering|| or Praire?

[agile totem]

Vault its inside eden and it isnt was in days of olympics like dawn

I mean, we have 6 realms but vault isnt truly a realm, its an shared space elevator inside eden mountain and we had just prairie, forest, valley and wasteland in days of olympics that show us the dawn and vault dont be part of the main realms, and in days of style, in battle field theres wasteland spirits but in abyss area just prairie spirits

[scenic pebble]

i dunno man
it's like claiming Wasteland is a part of Valley

[agile totem]

If we see, at the first part of wasteland really have buildings that looks like the valley buildings

[scenic pebble]

yeah
but even then these were all past distinctions
there are 6 realms and Eden now
because some places seem more connected does not mean they aren't distinct

[agile totem]

I know, these are actual things so im thinking it because of these. Like the starlight desert being part of wasteland having entrance by vault

[narrow marsh]

It's not a realm in the traditional sense, but it's often theorized that Vault is much larger and contains more secrets than we've gotten to see. Concept art depict most of the entire mountain as hollow, and that the Vault takes up all of that space! 🕯️

[narrow marsh]

I hate to break this to you but

[agile totem]

Omg, thats SOOO cool
I didnt know about it
Hope the two embers bring more vault secret areas

[narrow marsh]

Here is the art I'm referencing, from Tom Zhao's artist website. 🕯️

[wintry matrix]

Wait till you find path to orbit also has same buildings as valley #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[scenic pebble]

wait, no it isn't
it's part of The Vault

[agile totem]

Would be so great if we would able to see more about the eden in futures updates because some things looks like in differents moments at the time

[agile totem]

Really aaaa
Remember me the flight race oob

[scenic pebble]

i'm just gonna leave one last thing about the whole realms thing
while in the olden days when the kingdom still thrived the lines on the map and both cultural and administrative districts were nigh certainly different
but now the map is redrawn
the realms are mostly symbolic in nature, depicting the rise and end of both the old Kingdom and a human being
is the Valley connected to the Wasteland?
is the hope and youthful energy of young adulthood connected to the acceptance and dislike of the mid-life crisis?
you tell me
is The Vault a part of Eden?
is the wisdom, quiet and calm of old age death?
once more, you tell me
i think trying to argue about which realms are "true realms" and which aren't is looking away from the core foundations of Sky
now, theorizing about cultural and administrative districts of the old Kingdom is a whole different thing
looking for connections?
hell yeah, i enjoy that too, but don't let that overwrite confirmed and clearly stated things

[hallow basalt]

what is this? a sacrificial bird thing....

[spiral vault]

I have to wonder what the family tree for this group of spirits is

[sour sphinx]

In Wasteland, we have the Battlefield area, right? Someone made a video (I can't remember who) mentioned that there were two sides. The soldiers on both sides obviously carried shields-- one with a Diamond shaped symbol and a Sun shaped symbol. The one with the Diamond symbol represents the King's side. And the other with the Sun symbol represents the Elders side (which now I'm guessing we're on the Elders side as well). Whenever I go through the Battlefield area and now think back on one of the memories from Aurora's Concert, I've been thinking about who won. In my perspective? I doubt anyone won the fight in the area

[spiral vault]

Agreed, it probably ended in destruction on both sides

But I guess Wasteland Elder successfully defended their temple?

[coral shell]

The new season implies that spirits have mothers and that they can have different colors of eyes other than just white but they also can't spot a difference between literal CYAN and blue.

[agile totem]

I'm not saying it's an absolute truth, I'm just giving my point of view from what I observe geographically and what its in game after global release.
Leaving the chat

[untold belfry]

basically, this was a type of mini quest you could find at the entrance of the citadel, you just had to sit a to do a little quest, and you could get a candle (I guess as a reward for doing it for the first time ?) and some wax (like a race)
it is an old placement from light awaits
it doesnt work anymore

[jovial nebula]

is there a family tree for the original group of belonging spirits anywhere? my friend and i are trying to figure out the new family for the sparkler parent and how they fit in there

[wintry matrix]

Should be the same, no?

[wintry matrix]

Imo based on the shape of it it could be rhythm bird (plus rhythm and performance twins are from valley so…)

It is just missing one pair of wings

[pure fern]

the rhythm bird also showed up in the same general area, didn't it? or am i remembering the cutscene wrong

[wintry matrix]

I would need to ask my friend who played light awaits but I think it did based on the little to none screenshots i saw of this scene

[manic owl]

Uwohhh... Where did u get these pics?

[wintry matrix]

Art book. But those two pics in particular are free to look at online too.

[narrow marsh]

The artbook has some key written monologues that have confirmed a lot of things that were previously foggy to us, but much of the art in it is available online or for everyone to see during Skyfest (which occurs in late summer) 🕯️

[wintry matrix]

anyways i was thinking a bit about Alef/Resh being trapped inside Eden a bit yesterday and, yes I know we see Stewie in trailer, but what if the kid we hug before ascending to orbit is Alef? Cuz you know, Stewie is very much in aviary village, Alef is nowhere to be seen in game and murals literally portray him as child of light

to my understanding that room is the same "realm between space and time" as the elders are trapped in, it would make sense for him to be trapped too

maybe in future we will be able to summon the king on orbit too just like elders but in other hand i cant even imagine completing spirit memories inside eden and also seeing the prices of their cosmetics too

forest elder mask alone is 250 ascended candles please

[midnight sonnet]

What do y’all think this tunnel was for in Isles

[wintry matrix]

theres lightseeker spirit guiding voyager in there for some light orbs and there are light orbs on what seems to be offering shrine so it was propably that, shrine for offerings

[nimble ingot]

A veteran skykid could seal themselves in a cave somewhere, saying "wake me up when there is new lore"
And it would be overgrown with tree roots and moss by the time the Two Embers series even drops.

[untold belfry]

Right it does but it is a light awaits quest

[wintry matrix]

the rhytm bird was also light awaits thing only-

[wintry matrix]

so moments spirits are another group who can use those psychic powers (nightbird whisperer has bonus animation of wiping sweat after it, it must be very power consuming, rest of them does it effortlesly), I guess the ascentic monk (is that his name?) teach them that?

[spiral vault]

It's hard to distinguish between spouses and siblings, so I'm not really sure. Not to mention the whole gender-neutral thing.

For example, Sparkler Parent and Pleaful Parent could be spouses, but they could also be relatives

[last oasis]

Krills in the ancient memory have stripes
Anyone have any thoughts on what it could mean? I like the idea that this might be some sort of reaction to the diamond shattering

[distant pebble]

Maybe they always had stripes but now they are covered in dirt?

[narrow marsh]

I think adapting to the flexibility that that ambiguity gives us is the most helpful asset here.

We do not know if they are:

• Spouses [?]
• Relatives [?]

But what we do know is that they are:

• Family

And that alone is already super helpful!
From here we can start to look at the relationships, without even assuming that there would be a couple in the generation under ol Granny.
Both parents takes care of different kids across their separate memories, but they are part of the same family and parent the younglings. They don't seem to directly interact with each other much at all, which is what results in this confusion.

We tend to instinctively draw conclusions on who is potentially who's biological parent, but the more ambiguously-traced role of caretaker or guardian strongly aligns with the Themes we've seen echoed throughout the folds and sinews of Sky's achitecture (story not the literal buildings ).
So we can at the least, confidently affirm that the Parents are at least the guardians of the Cousin, Kid, and Teen.
This gives us more to work with while still aligning with what is concrete despite the ambiguous nature of the group and of Sky's fluid character formats.

Aligning with the ambiguity— over quelling it —is the key to solving most of our worst problems with Sky's lore. ❤️ 🕯️

[narrow marsh]

I realized I didn't see what you were responding to, and made a more reasonable assessment than how I originally answered, Void. Sorry about that

[last oasis]

I don't know, if it was discussed before, but how did the ancestors reproduce? From my observation there were never any infants in any memories anywhere. Kids that could be the equivalent of human 5-7 years olds, yeah, sure, but not younger, which kind of makes me think that maybe that's just their starting point? Like they either fall from the sky similarly to sky kids (but not the same) or are created in some other way, where they just spring into existence already capable of running around and stuff (made me think of baby horses that start walking just a couple hours after birth XD)
If the reproduction doesn't happen the way it does in our world or if, perhaps, you don't even need people to be involved in the creation of a child at all, that would be bound to affect the way relationships get formed.
The kids obviously require a caretaker, but in most memories, iirc, there's only one person taking on that role. Perhaps it's just common for one person to take on that role, to take into their home the new child that appeared.
I'm also thinking that the interpersonal relationships in that kind of society might be centered only around emotional connections, rather than any kind of physical attraction, since there's just no biological need for such thing to exist (sorry, I'm not sure how much I should dance around the vocabulary in this server). Most of the time a really close connection is easiest to form with only a small amount of people, maybe just one companion even, but some people might come together in bigger groups, bigger found families, so to speak. They might not even have the concept of spouses at all, at least not in the way we tend to understand it, which is really interesting to think about.

.
Also, because someone before has shared a theory about how the ancestors and the sky kids' bodies are made of dark stone, I'm wondering, if the way ancestors children appeared was from the megabird sending a soul into rock and a kid bursting out of it as a result or something. Maybe they needed to be carved first and then brought to the temple until they came to life? Or perhaps the stones with souls in them attracted attention for them to be found and carved? Or maybe something else, who knows

[wintry matrix]

Scary long text holy

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[last oasis]

That possiblity hasn't occurred to me for some reason xD, thanks)
Still, the exact process would be interesting to ponder
Would the kid be fully made of light and then turn more like the ancestors as they grow (harden, for the lack of a better word, if we're going with the darkstone for bodies theory), or would some kind of vessel need to be prepared for the light to enter beforehand

[narrow marsh]

I've long since interpreted all Ancestors to fall from the Sky and be raised in Isle, adopted by older Ancestors.
But that is a very personal interpretation, as solid evidence is very difficult to come by over the matter. 🕯️

[last oasis]

Oooh I like that
I take great enjoyment in thinking of all the different ways the ancestors' society could've worked))
With so little actual evidence to go off of there's a multitude of possibilities

[wintry matrix]

Someone tried to break down the blue bird family tree: https://x.com/gvfde7/status/1919622036717998464?s=46&t=mn5oWyGDs8lKULWNKIEVrQ

[lament turret]

I always interpreted the child we hug before orbit as not the player themselves but one of the spirits we returned. The gray child is the body and the white one is the spirit. They've both been reunited, hence why the scene immediately thereafter cuts to a united spirit leaving a body, like the previous scene was what was happening on the inside and now we've zoomed out to the outside.

[last oasis]

Reminds me of that scene from Steven Universe, where Steven gets back the pink diamond removed from him

This one (spoilers, I suppose?)

I haven't considered the Eden hug to be one sky kid becoming whole again after loosing their light, but I love that idea
I always thought that it's a hug offered to some kind of soul/being/entity, that the sky kid meets after "dying". They see that entity being sad and offer them some comfort

[lament turret]

A good way of thinking about it. I always thought that the corruption of Sky was an event so devastating that it basically disrupted the natural life cycle. Sky is very environmentalist but also the entire world is surrounded in the cycle of birth, life, death, and rebirth. When Eden fell, the cycle fell with it. Those going through life were killed off and their spirits are now forever stuck in their respective realms.

But those who had died and were in the process of being reborn were knocked from the sky entirely. They all appear as children because thats what they were supposed to be when their spirits returned, but the process was disrupted. These are spirits with no memories or sentience like the ancestor spirits. They never had a life or memories to begin with. Just raw energy (kind of like Pink Steven!).

Us, the titular children of the light, were those who were in the process of birth during the catastrophe or those late enough into the rebirth cycle that our spirits weren't knocked from the sky. Now, we're the only ones left to pick up the pieces of a shattered past and restore the cycle that was broken.

So when we return a spirit, the lost energy, back to the body, that spirit regains its identity. The hug is an embrace of that. Life meeting memory. Energy reuiniting with the physicality. A life shattered into two now made whole again. Only then is the spirit able to return to the stars.

[lament turret]

Also I think I have an idea regarding this, too. "Reproduction" was carried out by the people, but it was far different than how Earth life procreates.

I mentioned previously the cycle of life and death. The way this cycle happened was it all likely started with the first ancestors falling from the stars. It all has something to do with an entity called the "Motherbird" or the "Light". The Light isn't actually one singular entity but rather a network of energy and memory (sort of like Ewa from Avatar). With every death and spiritual return, the Motherbird (which sounds like motherboard now that I think about it) gains more memory, more light, more data. The spirit is then wiped mostly or entirely of memory and sent back down to Earth in a spectacular display like that of a falling star.

The role people played in this was protecting sacred routes to the return point; Eden. Both people and creatures alike would follow these natural routes over the course of their lives, eventually dying and being reborn through The Eye of Eden, which acted as a waypoint to the Motherbird. All the wisdom and experiences they had gained would be returned the Light and then the raw energy would be reborn into a new child of light. Us being born directly from the Light is literally in the title, that isn't just a reference to our tendency to play with fire.

The Elders became the leaders of protecting these pathways, being the guardians of the various checkpoints. They would help shephard those on their journey using their immense power and social status and wisdom.

[eager burrow]

I’ve always interpreted that scene very similarly! It’s always read very much as ‘two halves of one whole reuniting’ to me. Like you, Ive always see it as the glowing kid is our spirit— literally or metaphorically— and the grey kid is the physical vessel for all of that. I’ve also seen it as hope/forgiveness and the hopeless/needing mercy (in an internal, mental sense). I’m just glad I’m not alone in feeling like the skids in that cutscene aren’t actual characters, they’re us/aspects of Us.

[lament turret]

Although, at some point in Sky's history, this natural cycle was repeatedly and harshly disrespected by the ancestors. Sacred temples were turned into factories. Light creatures were captured and either killed for sport or used for their energy (like the butterflies in the jars). And a substance I've heard referred to as "darkstone" was being mined out and used for technological advancements. We see it in an innert form everywhere. Elevators, flying boats, doorway mechanism, etc.

How exactly this substance works, I'm not entirely sure, but in its gray/blue form its mostly harmless to light creatures. It can be interracted with and used to power tech basically infinitely.

That brings me to color. Color is very important to the storytelling of Sky. It represents both different emotions as well as physical representations. Gray/black represents the physical. Like rock. The bodies of sky are gray, darkstone is partially gray, dark creatures are black and gray. It also represents the darkness itself sometimes.

Orange, yellow, and white represent life and the light. The flame, the comfort, the good and natural in this world. We see all the light creatures are white, yellow, and orange and glowing like the flame. It also represents energy, hence why the fallen spirits are also yellow.

Blue represents a form of energy, technology, advancements, and also a sense of calm uncertainty and potential for good or evil. We see this blue glowing in the darkstone crystals, in the eyes of the dragons and crabs, and in the base of our own flames. The ancestor spirits are also blue. They never completed life, meaning their spirits still had potential for more while they were alive.

But that brings me back the darkstone. Everywhere in Sky we see blue and gray darkstone. But in Eden? This darkstone is charged with a red plasma-like energy. A color. It absorbs energy. Its angry, aggressive, upset, and disturbed. Its the most dangerous color of them all.

(1/2)

[hushed steeple]

Would this be the appropriate channel to ask if there’s any lore documents ?

[lament turret]

Something went terribly and catastrophically wrong in the land of Sky. Something foul and fierce. It all points to the darkstone and the corruption of the civilization that began to prioritize its expansion over the balance of nature. Conflicts, like the battlefield we see at the vault gates, were born of a struggle over respecting nature and technological progression. Although I find it interesting that the wasteland is the only place we see this conflict ever having been directly fought, which suggests this incident may have been a more centralized conflict rather than a full scale civil war.

As much as I would like to say that the disruption of the natural cycle happened over time, and in some way it did, the game typically suggests the final nail in the coffin was something a lot more explosive and destructive. The ruins in sky aren't just those that are crumbling from neglect and time, some of them were quite literally blow sky high and sent flying across the land. Giant claw marks scar the tower in the treasure reef. Buildings will sometimes have entire holes in them, like an explosion blew them out. Every adult we encounter is a dead spirit. Many of the animals we encounter are literal bones or spirits themselves. Some of the living animals we encounter, like the dark crabs, are covered in darkstone. These creatures are very likely in pain, yet undead. I sort of wonder if the darkstone somehow prevents them from dying and being reborn, like all the darkstone we see on the bodies of the ancestors.

(2/2)

[hushed steeple]

Not looking for anything super official just want to get into the lore better but my understanding ingame is not that good so if theres any wikis / docs that I can read about the lore that would be appreciated

[lament turret]

The art book as well as a wonderful
blog on the wiki by Amity206 I think would be a good way to get some lore understanding. Also just hanging out in this channel enough. As you can see, I've had a lot to say on it myself and so have many others. I recommend giving it all a read!

Here's Amity's blog. I don't think everything in it is accurate, so take it with a grain of salt as some of it gets a little too far stretched, but I think most of it paints a good picture of the lore https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Amity206/Sky_Lore_Theories

[hushed steeple]

Thank you! I’ll give it a look and a browse through this channel later 👀

[wintry matrix]

The concept arts show Eden mountain being the sacred land where all creatures go to die and rebirth (possibly because it is the tallest point on entire planet? Or atleast closest peak to megabird?) but building of Eden stopped them from doing so because some force stopped them from crossing boundaries of Eden city so they couldnt be reborn

Not sure if you mentioned that, there is way too much text for me to process it at once, will take some time till i read theough all that

[lament turret]

I mentioned Eden being a place of connection to the Motherbird and it that makes sense that part of the natural cycle being blocked was the industrialization of the place. We see signs of industrialization all over Eden from the pipes, to the ancient structures, to the darkstone. The place is crawling with dark creatures and full of charged darkstone, suggesting a TON of technological activity going on there. Sort of like how our modern day cities disrupt bird migrations or the sea turtle hatching processes.

But I did mention that I don't think rebirth was carried out at Eden. I think it often resulted elsewhere far away. The same way our sky kid falls from the sky, I think the same would've happened with the ancestors. The Eye absorbs energy and then shoots it into orbit where the Motherbird is (The Eye seems to have the same absorbtion properties as the red darkstone) but it doesn't return it. That part is the Motherbird's job.

[wintry matrix]

Nothing aganist you, i just struggle with longer texts, especially when they are in different languge

[agile totem]

I think it so, because the old concepts shows it being similar to your text

[agile totem]

Your pov of body and soul is very interesting. Like in eden when we die and just stays the gray body

[last oasis]

There's also this one https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/Lore
but as others said, the majority of the lore is up to interpretation, there's no one clear canon for a lot of things. I recommend trying to use the search for messages by using keywords, depending on the topics you want to explore

[wintry matrix]

or just wait for Two Embers

[distant pebble]

Imagine if it comes right after Aurora's return

[wintry matrix]

i have theory they will stream it during anniversary actually

plus it would make sense why they made beta private now

[lament turret]

Theory I feel like babbling about here;

I think Resh and the overarching protagonist of Sky, Alef, are the same person but also not. I think Resh is a reborn version of Alef.

Alef is said to be the one who fulfilled a prophecy and became a king through the discovery of how to harness the power of the light. I think the reason this happened is because Alef went through the process of life, death, and rebirth just like everyone else. The only difference between them and everyone else is one thing; Alef remembered the experience.

Up until that point, people knew the Light existed. They knew it was a powerful force of nature that was the reason for the rebirth cycle. But no one properly knew what it was or how it worked, just sorta what it did. Now why Alef remembered this process, I have no idea. Maybe it was to fulfill something, maybe it was for some other unknown reason, who knows. But after this experience, Alef then is reborn into who would later become known as King Resh. Using their newfound knowledge, they quickly rise to power. This unique understanding gives power, power creates arrogance, arrogance which breeds pride, and as we know pride that breeds into corruption.

This would also explain why we, the new children of light, can also remember our rebirth and past lives. Resh sacrificed themselves and their own light to create us so that way we may one day restore the cycle.

Alef was a chosen one of some sort. An Anakin Skywalker type of character who HAS to be in power and be there when things fall so they can set in motion the events to pick it back up again. Without Alef, the industrialization would've happened anyway with a greater lack of understanding of the Light and with no one to sacrifice themselves in the end so the cycle may be restored.

This is also explains why Eden's castle is so close to Orbit and looks a LOT like the classical depictions of the Tower of Babel (as pointed out by Tumblr user starsfallhome). All of this was about pride.

[sour sphinx]

Do we know what the King would look like in canon? I know we saw him briefly in a couple of the trailers

[sour sphinx]

It's probably possible that King Reth is a reborn version of Alef. I didn't even think about that

[lament turret]

This is the closest we have to canon right now. We see his form depicted in statues around Wasteland, too.

[sour sphinx]

Makes sense because so far that's what he currently looks like

[lament turret]

Theres also a few very wonderful fan designs as well

[wintry matrix]

to add to this, Stewie also seems to remember it, not only we see them in the trailer in same room but also they directly tell us to go to Eden, they KNOW what fate we get there and they even hug us after rebirth for how brave we were (and alsol that we brought the lost spirits to orbit and they can now visit freely in aviary village i guess lol)

[wintry matrix]

the first art is not much different from what we got in canon im now realising he looks like Capitano on second screenshot lol

that mask is kinda cute tho excuse my ms paint mouse drawing

sometimes I look at those buildings (forest temple as well) and wonder if it is just some decorative painting or if the wole thing was blue in the past and the paint is slowly falling down

they have painted top of the wider part blue too

[lament turret]

The blue paint, with the way the light blue is connected to it, seems intentionally made to look that way to me. Possibly depicting mountains or darkstone somehow. But there are bits of it that are faded, too, so its not entirely without wear and tear.

Something I noticed was some of the structures in Sky, such as these towers, resemble something called a wind catcher.

These are ancient and are prevalent in hot places like Iran in order to ventilate and cool down structures. I don't know if this was intentional within the context of Sky or if it means anything, but I thought it was kind of cool.

[narrow marsh]

Do you want everything?

[agile totem]

What do you about the kings head changed in prairie lobby?

[lament turret]

That second pic isn't the king's head thats a waypoint arrow...

[wintry matrix]

the arrow is wind paths symbol actually

[narrow marsh]

This is basically all we've got to work with

[agile totem]

Looks like a megabird icon because the shape in concepts

[wintry matrix]

mmm they are way too weird shaped to look like mountains, to me it still look more like the top half was painted blue whole and forest temple maybe had blue stripe running around the middle, there is some chipped paint blue stripe on it

[lament turret]

https://tenor.com/view/ascending-energy-galaxy-gif-17739196

[lament turret]

True. But I always just kind of assumed it was a stylized arrow since the windpaths are... yk... paths

[wintry matrix]

forgot to bring my camera so its a weird shot but both oob and here, the wasteland throne is the only damaged one )maybe homage to him originally being corrupted by darkess?)

[agile totem]

Its true at all

[agile totem]

If i remember well, its like this in eden castle oob too

[lament turret]

(whats oob)

[wintry matrix]

out of bounds

[wintry matrix]

yeah https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/632004389137154048/1367922624008818759/68467ce42268d4b9f8a0a669ba4b0736.png?ex=681c4778&is=681af5f8&hm=5effd8356df0e92c3cef6c337d64f9a6ab589a2d27701590e9e54c0fdc9770f2&

[agile totem]

This one is broken too

[lament turret]

I never thought of those as thrones. They look really awkward to sit in...

[agile totem]

Maybe graves

[wintry matrix]

could be rhetorical, imo they could stand in front of them while being "crowned" to elders/ancestors (alef was crowned in colliseum)

[agile totem]

Even the murals showing Alef in eden, everyone could see in coliseum

The eden looks so different than 2 embers trailers

[plucky locust]

Well, to be fair the diamond hasn't exploded yet.

[wintry matrix]

there was huge explosion you know

[agile totem]

Details
||i forgot ||

[agile totem]

Yes, i dont said was crowned in eden
There more of these?

[wintry matrix]

what did you said then?

[solemn cedar]

wheres that? i dont recognise it

[wintry matrix]

vault top floor

[solemn cedar]

man it seems that i don't pay attention 😔☹️

[agile totem]

What i see in eden mural, theory

[earnest briar]

cackling rn I love the “die immediately” King

[lament turret]

Also I remembered that the different realms represent different parts of life and Golden Wasteland represents the "midlife crisis" and thats so real and also really hilarious imo

[earnest briar]

they changed sometime around Season of Flight’s release, iirc. It could also be seen in other places before then, like in the Bird’s nest pointing towards Sanctuary Island, and also on some of the floating islands near the entrance that connects Sanctuary and the Bird’s nest.

[wintry matrix]

i love this one

elders being millenials and skids gen z, teaching them the modern slang lol

[lament turret]

Sky kid: "Okay boomer"
Resh: "What does that even mean"

[earnest briar]

So I’m going to be accosted by giant angry burnt shrimp when I reach the middle point of my life expectancy? Noted, I will be making preparations.

[wintry matrix]

Daleth the baby boomer: What is an updog?

"Those skids and their candles, back in MY day WE went OUTSIDE to catch butterflies to have light!' - Ayin, propably

[earnest briar]

Sky Kid: points to the big diamond that’s been exploding for the past several decades because of his attempts to fix the economy
Resh: …listen here you little candle-obsessed maniac, you have no idea how the economy works. I was trying to stop the market crash.

[wintry matrix]

"Well, did you stop it?"
"... i certainly stopped something, yeah."

[earnest briar]

Sah and Mekh are ABSOLUTELY up to date on all the latest slang, and take great pride in confusing the other Elders by dropping slang words into otherwise normal conversations.

[sour sphinx]

That side glance gave me chills whenever I look back at this now 😅

[wintry matrix]

Oh definitely but they keep being death serious about the jokes to other elders to confuse the hell out of them like “Yeah of course l1gm& is serious illness! Why are you asking?”

[narrow marsh]

I loved these concept maps because the narrative text blocks are where I get my Framework understandings of Connection and Indifference from. That specific picture mentions Connection many times!

[wintry matrix]

bet they made daleth use his cane as selfie stick-

[lament turret]

He's bald 😔

[earnest briar]

Unsure how up to date Teth and Tsadi might be, but I can definitely see Lamed being knowledgeable of slang but never letting it slip that they’re aware of what said words mean. So they will casually use the words “totally poggers” during a lesson with a couple of student Skids and continue on with the lesson like nothing ever happened.

[wintry matrix]

teth would watch karen videos for entretaintment

[sour sphinx]

Either that or he's wearing some kind of clothing over his head 🥸

[wintry matrix]

sipping coffee while doing so

[sour sphinx]

Probably teaching Karens a lesson too

[wintry matrix]

Tsadi would play warcraft and lamed would be pinterest mom

[earnest briar]

transphobia should be beaten with a hammer. /ref

[wintry matrix]

Absolutely unbothered by the memes, crocheting kids the most unhinged pieces of clothing (imagine pepe sweater and stuff) just because they asked for it and she has no idea what it is

Lamed i mean

[earnest briar]

omg. Granny and Lamed running a knitting club together…

[wintry matrix]

They would come up with idea to make get along sweater for valley twins

[earnest briar]

And Sah and Mekh both have grumpy >:[ expressions. Bonus points if one of the other Elders snuck a picture of them in the “this is our getting along sweater”

[wintry matrix]

I just imagined some skid drew the :< face on their masks with sharpie all crooked

[wintry matrix]

Also tsadi would be that “whats up fellow kids?” guy

[eager burrow]

(Sorry to interrupt the flow but these vibes and headcanons are so delightful to stumble upon in the middle of class, thank y’all for your amazing contributions)

[wintry matrix]

okay I might have found a way to get to isle and prairie elders (i forgot to document wasteland too), gotta try it tommorow if it works

also granpa isle stands on coffin shaped rock in his cutscene, which is... concerning

[eager burrow]

Oh. Oh no :(((

[spiral vault]

Yeah, makes you wonder how much pain Hopeful Steward was keeping from us

[wintry matrix]

i mean their introduction speaks for itself

[spiral vault]

It makes me wonder how long Two Embers was planned for

We never see Hopeful Steward in the original Aviary video, but were they always there as a character? I wish we could learn more about the character

[spiral vault]

Also, I really like this interpretation of the main story

[wintry matrix]

not sure if this applies for series too but for other live server games, they are usually about two years ahead in planning (in a way the yare already working on something and not just discussing it)

for example one unnamed game with multiple regions, while only first three regions were released, the developers were already working on fifth one

and even during first few patches of said game, the bare bones for third and fourth region main cities were found

so season of revival was propably already done (without final polishes) during season of belonging

including stewie and two embers stuff

i wonder more how they ended up in there at first place, they seem to know other season guides (except radiance) in aviary from before so... was it their home after being reborn? why die in front of its gates though? and the village gates being closed too?

[narrow marsh]

They've said in interviews that after Launch they formed a 10 year plan for Sky's lifetime so it's supposedly to have content flow until 2030, likely with occasional quiet eras in its later years. 🕯️

[wintry matrix]

(there is also one darkness plant growing near nest building that you cant burn because the clouds push you away)

[spiral vault]

One example is that the Sanctuary Islands had a Wind Path symbol when it release, which was more than a year before Season of Flight. So maybe regular seasons go to their concept stages a year in advance.

[wintry matrix]

yeah thats plan, the game i was talking about also planned stuff for about 10 years to future, but I was talking about "actually physically working on stuff" instance

[narrow marsh]

Oh yes, they say production of Seasons always begin a year or so in advance.

And in regards to the decade plan, other games such as Halo Infinite said that too around the exact same time, and well....

[wintry matrix]

there was also huge pickaxe in forest oob where wind paths are now and also stone gate too

[spiral vault]

I don't think it's that far imo, the older seasons had much less content required because they were much more barebones. My theory was that the base concept for Revival started around 2021, slowly iterated on throughout the years, and then the project aviary video came in mid-2023 which didn't feature Steward.

That's the other weird thing, looking at the old project aviary video makes me think it was less intended as a tutorial area, and Steward was added for the connection to Two Embers and to make a tutorial guide

(sorry for the game design discussion lol)

[wintry matrix]

but we can see scenes from two embers even in the earliest trailers

i think the switch one is the first that has it?

checked out tgc channel from oldest and yep i was right

[spiral vault]

That's true, but that trailer was always a bit weird in that it didn't really correlate to Two Embers as much

[wintry matrix]

3 years ago but if you hover over it it says june 2021 so almost 4 years ago

[spiral vault]

I wonder if by then, they were still working out the story, so they just had the trailer animated as a sort of general concept mishmash for the Switch launch

[wintry matrix]

yes but when you look on one of two embers reveal trailers, theres sketches of different scene (likely the one that comes shortly after) of the forest scene so even this was meant for two embers

this one

[spiral vault]

Wait you're right, that means Hopeful Steward existed in some way, shape or form by 2022

[wintry matrix]

it has the sketches of very simmilar scene as the one in switch trailer and it was released about half a year after it (it is also from where i have those manatee concept arts haha)

[hushed steeple]

Yes👀

[wintry matrix]

famous last words

[hushed steeple]

[wintry matrix]

i wonder if stewie is originally from prairie (despite being called dusk ember) because you can find manatees only in prairie peaks

and sanctuary islands during days of nature but thats still prairie

unless maybe that manatee was captured and being transported to abyss to be processed into darkstone and stewie freed them

gotta love comments on wiki lmao

all elders and important characters having grandiose sounding names and then theres jonathan

[lament turret]

The most grandiose of names
Hopeless Stew

[wintry matrix]

maybe thats how they felt when going through eden

[spiral vault]

It would be really cool to see the development process for this show tbh, I wonder if they always intended for Two Embers and Aviary to be kinda merged

[spiral vault]

Here's probably what they'd show you:

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[earnest briar]

John Sky:light

[narrow marsh]

Yes, I was going to copy paste that @hushed steeple

[narrow marsh]

Stewieee

[hushed steeple]

Currently reading a lot and my biggest 👀 right now is about the prince and the king never heard of them before even if I’ve played for a while but now I need to spend 40 hours looking them up

[sour sphinx]

Hey I'm curious, if the Two Embers seasons ever get announced, are (or if) we going to see the King in his spirit form or his physical living form?

[sour sphinx]

Either haha But that's up to my Sky Kid because Im having her and the Hopeful Stewart be a couple

[narrow marsh]

So returning the conversation back to here; we've proved that, in some extremely early form, Stewie was formulated at some point of the production process for this promo trailer in 2023, perhaps even early or late 2022!

This changes a lot, and this discussion raises such a powerful point to think over; the Two Embers are not as completely a 'retcon' as vets have long-since called them as.

1. From here, it's not unreasonable to assume that since at least 2022-2023, TGC had been looking into exploring elaboration on the Ancestor kingdom's story.
2. We might assume that there was always a strong goal of wanting to depict the rise and the fall of the kingdom respectively.
3. We might assume that they always had expected to do this through a main character for the rise and a separate main character for the fall, with the prince's tragic origin story always being the directive goal of the former.

This is really key, honestly. Vets have tended to be hurt by the lack of progress, whether given by the devs or taken by the community, but it's really comforting knowing that progress was inevitable. ❤️ 🕯️

[cobalt palm]

Season of the Blue Bird concept arts from stream
https://www.youtube.com/live/-24lsHTXICA

And an interesting design nugget I picked up on, the Sparkler parents cape design this season is based on an hourglass to represent time, and from the 2nd quest, I guess that is time spent with loved ones, which brings happiness

[cobalt palm]

You can definitely see the hourglass Time motif I their hero art

[earnest briar]

Has anyone else noticed that it’s not just birds anymore being caught in the darkness pollution in Sanctuary? Now it’s Baby Mantas, like the ones flying around the belltower that the Sanctuary Guide is near.
Things are getting worse the longer the King Krill lingers in Sanctuary’s waters…

[distant pebble]

they'll probably become a monster there to block our way
somewhere

[shrewd mango]

Wait the krill king is in sanctuary now?

[cobalt palm]

King krill has been circling sanctuary for the past week, just out of reach in the windwalls, which makes me wonder how close sanctuary and treasure cove are to eachother

[shrewd mango]

Ahh okay! Thanks for the info!

[winged bison]

Even though it is only concept art, it has completely stunned me to find out the idea of baby ancestors possibly existed in sky now after seeing that quest giver concepts hahaha

[wintry matrix]

We gonna get eden constellation and you will need to relive resh spirit memory in last part of pnr, trust /j

[wintry matrix]

OH MY GOD THAT BABY GRANMA??????????

[distant pebble]

that memory is going to take a year to relieve

[coral shell]

Why do babies have hair Hello do spirits have some sort of anatomy that lets them grow long hair at a few months old

[eager burrow]

Tbf, some human babies are born with a LOT of hair. Like, REALLY thick hair. Which would then let them have a “head start”, if you will, when it comes to having more hair at a few months old versus other human babies the same age.
Semi-related, the baby pictured could be around 6-9 months old, using human developmental stages.

[coral shell]

Was the head start part Pun intended.

[wintry matrix]

We as skid were born with hair too 🤓☝️

[coral shell]

Hate to break it to you but skykids and spirits are two different species.
Also skykids look a lot older when they're "born" compared to those gremlins

[wintry matrix]

… the spirits were once alive too.

[coral shell]

OUR SKYKIDS LOOK LIKE THEY'RE 6 YEARS OLD. COMPARE A 6 YEAR OLD TO A BABY.

[wintry matrix]

Please dont yell at me.

This is fantasy game with fan made species. We already agreed that kids of sky kingdom people are likely not born the human/mammal/planet Earth way. They can look whatever they want when born.

[wintry matrix]

I once saw art of baby Teth and she had straight cut hair bangs with her current hairdo for the rest and baby face and looked quite adorable

If Alef was once kid so did elders

[wintry matrix]

I wanna see how daleth looked as kid was he just baldie lol

[winged bison]

Omg that’s super cute, seeing all Elder’s as kids would be super cute
Still super shocked to see new baby ancestor/spirit concept art, genuinely thought they didn’t exist in sky world until today, entire perspective has changed bawhahahaha

[wintry matrix]

Maybe we will see elders as kids/teens in two embers (assuming they are simmilar age as Alef) or atleast their younger versions

Im using the tom zhao concept art timeline of sky as refference, where it states that Alef (still as prince so not Resh yet) picked six people to be elders and rule over realms and later discovered the darkstones with Teth in the forest and thats what started the industrialisation

So the elders, coming from same source as skids, likely were just “skids” as we are, maybe if we existed in that time, Alef would pick us as elders heh

[wintry matrix]

The prophecy cave murals also kinda support that he picked them and gave them the elements

[wintry matrix]

we also see Lamed visiting Resh, im not sure about average life expectancy of sky people but assuming it is simmilar to humans, she was propably teen/young adult when he was still Alef (also Stewie is in previous scene with Lamed too so they are atleast generation, if not more, younger than Alef... but then we also see Stewie and - likely - alef in that orbit room and they are both kid sized so who knows how that works or when it happens)

(and Stewies caretaker/mom already suffers from the plague so they were likely born when Resh was already in power... but so does Alef"s????? that would make the darkness/darkstone plague even older than eden )

ok im going through the trailers frame by frame to find the darkstones scene and... isnt this the hide and seek pioneer? and the other kid the eyepatch pirit from assembly? that scene takes place in hidden forest and they have simmilar hair, not sure who that last kid could be

does not look like any of the forest spirits, hairtousle hair goes the other way

unless thats younger (or after haircut ) baffled botanist

[wintry matrix]

a baby Stewie + with Lamed, look how pretty vault was

[south flax]

Hiiiiiii

[versed blade]

we already saw child spirits in Season of AURORA and Season of Dreams, no?

[wintry matrix]

and season of blue bird yeah + there is one running around aviary with their mom

[sour sphinx]

The Vault does look pretty 😍 even without the sand at some places

I've also noticed the dark diamonds on the woman's arm. Just like Dawn Child's (the boy probably I get them mixed up sometimes) mother who is also affected by it. It might mean they're sick and are probably unlikely uncureable

[shell galleon]

I have a theory on the new season:
I think the blue bird could be corrupted with darkness somehow. as when we catch it, it looks like it turns into a cloud of darkness. Could this be the bird’s ‘true nature’?

[wintry matrix]

yep yep, thats why I was posting it

[wintry matrix]

it really depends on how much tgc will change the original story but i dont think they will go that far

[narrow marsh]

See thats the thing, the caretaker/mom you're talking about was Alef's caretaker/mom, not Stewie's What this may end up telling us is that falling ill to Darkness existed during the Dawn... 🕯️

[cobalt palm]

When will we wear wigs?

[wintry matrix]

please look at it again, i posted two parents, one is alefs, one is stewies

only first screenshot is alef, other two are stewie

[nimble ingot]

In reality, some babies can be born with a full head of hair.

These ancestors are not human, so their anatomy (or hair growth rate) may be a bit different.

[narrow marsh]

Ah yes thank you. Either way, the fact that Alef's mom suffers from the plague despite being at the Dawn of the kingdom shows that Darkness had been there.

[earnest briar]

Perhaps it was always there in the world, but it was treated as another part of life. Then it started growing into a problem that got bigger and bigger as demand for darkstone increased.

[wintry matrix]

BLACK SHARD EXPLOSION FROM PRAIRIE
it happened too fast, i wasnt ready on better spot

[south flax]

Hi

[sour sphinx]

Omg, I just thought about this!! You know how we use our candles and fire to burn away darkness? I could be right or wrong about this but what if Light is the cureable thing for the Darkness-corruption-sickness?

[wintry matrix]

yeah but we dont know if it hurts if you dop it on living being

and also the amount of flame you have to use for more serious cases

it also looks the regual flame sources were scarce by the time eden was built because they hunted the light creatures and were using way too much flame/light on the eden diamond and thats why it exploded

they "charged it over capacity" basically, just like when the cooling systems in nuclear power plant fails

in short

just like we die/are covered in darkstones from lack of light in eden or when hit by krill, so did the sky kingdom people

[celest trench]

is there any lore about what we are?

[wintry matrix]

we are the new generation send by megabird and our task is to cleanse and repopulate the kingdom, we come from same source as elders (and possibly alef and stewie too) do but not the sky kingdom people

[celest trench]

ah i see thanks
Where did you get the timeline pic?

[wintry matrix]

it is concept art from tom zhao

[celest trench]

May i have the link?

[celest trench]

its rly low res, im on mobile so doesnt scale well

[nimble ingot]

try opening the image on a browser in the smaller state. Not the full screen one.

[wintry matrix]

well your other choice is to buy the artbook

[celest trench]

thanks it worked

[narrow marsh]

If Light naturally tends to sway in either direction of Connection vs. Indifference, I wouldn't be surprised that there is an emotional factor at play in the natural calcification of Beings of Light. The growing sickness across the world of Light was likely a direct showcase of both Ancestors and creatures becoming more and more weak/prone to Disconnection. If only in Theme. 🕯️

[narrow marsh]

The infamous Backstory Timeline concept art is actually not in the art book. Which makes a lot of sense as some things in the concept are definitely not part of the current canon story. 🕯️

[spiral vault]

Well, child ancestors have existed for a long time now, so it makes sense

[wintry matrix]

baby teth trying to lift that massive hammer like mjolnir

[winged bison]

I'm full aware of there being children ancestors for years, it was the baby quest giver concept art that surprised me

[coral shell]

The tethling.

[wintry matrix]

i sometimes read Teth as Teeth by accident

do sky people even have teeth

[narrow marsh]

First we'd have to ponder if they even have mouths

[wintry matrix]

well they have to eat somehow

light creatures have moths, even mantas do and stewie + the "teacher" on the boat did grunts and sighs + the kids were giggling and gasping in awe and those are sounds only mouth can do

[sour sphinx]

I was wondering about food and water. I'm curious if they take off their mask to eat and drink

[marble horizon]

so I took a second during my cr to stop in forest bc I feel like it's got the most environmental storytelling to figure out and I always stop for a bit there. I got to the garden/backyard, and noticed that aside from the two stumps, all the trees seem not only un-cut, but maybe even healthy/alive. any existing theories about why those particular trees were left alone?

[scenic pebble]

the mask cracks into four revealing a fleshy pit lined with teeth
a lonely red apple falls into that dark hole as the walls around it close to never release it again
"thanks for the apple child, where did you say you were headed?"
honk honk, honk
"i thin i can get you there, hop on in"

[wintry matrix]

nesting guide (who was student of teth - forest elder) takes you there during quest and we only pick pieces of wood that fell on the ground instead of cutting them, so maybe it is nesting guide who is taking care of it

[wintry matrix]

is that death note refference

[wintry matrix]

this photo is also from there so maybe that place is very important to them (nesting guide) so they take lot of care to keep it alive

[wintry matrix]

kakashi style

thats why we dont see our own skid taking the mask off while eating the cupcake or drinking choccy milk at café

[stable veldt]

I think they just absorb the light to eat. Same like the ancestors having no mouth beneath the mask, or at least a visible one

[long vessel]

Off-topic, but I just realized tgc maybe kinda confirmed what I was saying about depression being akin to disconnection a few days back

And I also noticed the other day that out of the whole family, Boogie is the only one who wears gloves. I wonder if that's standard for those who end up with darkstone disease? Maybe, aside from the obvious of hiding the stones that may carry some stigma with their presence, it also prevents the stones from absorbing external light and growing bigger?? (Just thinking out loud on that one )

Either way I wanna give the poor little baby a hug lol

[hushed steeple]

how much is it👀
nevermind just found it

[signal heath]

I haven't done eden since over a year. now I see a sky child in the orbit. who is it? whats their story?

Haha lot of skids there. I speak about that one where we see the constelations

[spiral vault]

I mostly agree (but I haven't heard of the retcon accusations that much). The other mystery, however, is what Hopeful Steward's connection to Aviary is.

[spiral vault]

I'm unsure of Resh actually ages, I still believe they're a skykid just like us

[narrow marsh]

When skykids eat at tea tables, do you think they just slide the snack under their mask? 🕯️

[river veldt]

we know that darkness in sky drains light, so it has a negative luminous intensity
turns out, this is a very real thing

[spiral vault]

Why not just absorb it directly? Lots of food in Sky is made of wax, which we also absorb

[narrow marsh]

Well, only mantas and manatees have been shown to have visually appearing mouths, but yes. These are all very classic and iconic assertions. 🕯️

[river veldt]

what if skykids can age, and it just takes a long time?
and with ageing, they grow to be as tall as the ancestors~~, and even grow fingers~~?

we know resh is a skykid, and skykids don't have fingers
but, resh has fingers in the trailer!

[spiral vault]

It depends on how they'll interpret the show, plotwise it's important to make sure Resh stands out from the rest of the Ancestors in some way. It could muddle the plot a bit if the Eden Elder ages exactly like a regular ancestor spirit.

(Then again, this is only based on my theory on the show: #lore-discussion-spoilers message)

[narrow marsh]

I completely agree, as we all discussed quite a lot last year. Light substance, in the end, is still a strange and confusing mix between energy and living mass. Though both the devs and the community tend to not directly acknowledge it, the natural Cycle of Light would reasonably happen within the world's ecosystem; energy tranfer between creatures. This transfer could be assumed to happen as it does in the real world, where animals tear each other apart and literally consume each other as fuel/energy... or perhaps Sky could lean more heavily into the Themes that Light substance provides, which is a more fluidic and non-earth-biology format than what most theorists immediately assume or are even comfortable with! 🕯️

[narrow marsh]

Resize potions certainly will make this harder to gauge. Perhaps in this hypothetical, the resize would only grow or shrink you relative to a max limit or max height, with the middle of this limit corresponding to your 'proper height' defined by age.

Also, I am horrified by the idea that my baby's glovehands would split open. Maybe it would happen more naturally like tadpoles? 🐸

[river veldt]

resh is supposedly the first skykid ever created, and he spent many years (even decades) in the world
i doubt we'll see our skykids 'grow up' in-game, because we're limited by the game's lifespan. so, even the OG moths can't grow to resh's age

or, i have another theory:
'ancient' skykids (those born when the kingdom was still around) and modern skykids (those born after the kingdom fell, the ones we play as) are biologically different!

.
ah
i rewatched the trailers; both alef and stewie have fingers as kids
maybe ancient kids have it and modern kids don't

[earnest briar]

the King had fingers, and he created a miniature sun that blew up Eden and wiped out the Ancestor civilization.

We don’t have fingers, we’re trying to heal the realms and help the Spirits ascend.

[river veldt]

maybe megabird designed us to be potentially less destructive, by taking away our fingers.

[earnest briar]

do you think any Sky Kids are envious of Steward having fingers?

[river veldt]

curiously, steward in-game has no fingers
as for spirits (ancestors), some do and some don't

i like to think they all have fingers in the actual world of sky (what we see in Two Embers), but for some technical limitation, not all will have fingers in-game

[eager burrow]

I’ve always chalked up the ‘fingers discrepancy’ to a game thing. It didn’t seem to indicate a difference in species or anything, since I figured it’s easier to use skid models without the fingers since they’re everywhere and in constant use, whereas not all the spirits have fingers or are being displayed in as great a number as skids are.
It could also just be a design choice.

[sour sphinx]

I've noticed that recently 😁 We have mitten hands while the spirits and Elders have fingers 🤞🏼

[sour sphinx]

My Sky Kid turns four this November. 😁 She looks 13 but is actually 3.
When she was under the care of the Vault Elder, the other Elders told the Vault that she needs to have a life outside of the Vault besides living with her. But the Vault Elder said she's too young and not ready to be by herself yet but the other Elders insisted and also said to make sure she doesn't know she's the King's (Resh) daughter

[narrow marsh]

I side with this. I think they are different than us, while still being different from the Ancestors somehow too. There's plenty of reason that, when you look into ye olde archives of old Lorechat messages, people have theorized that Alef was a "prototype skykid". Ever since 2020! When Prophecy first came out confirming a "Chosen One". 🕯️

[river veldt]

flight moth!

Is lorechat a good place to talk about ocs that have tie-ins with the lore?
because i want to share mine as well

[ebon wind]

What are the implications of constellations in sky?
We see spirits return to the sky in elder temples and presumably to their respective constellations. However in the season of radiance and season of the blue bird we see older spirits returning and new constellations for them.
Do the belonging/blue bird spirits have two spots in the sky? Is there another reason or are we gonna just say it's a game mechanics thing we should ignore?

[river veldt]

This is such a good question!

I think it’s an in-game mechanic:

The recent old season reruns are probably here to introduce stories to those OG seasons (AFAIK, those that come before enchantment had no story at all)

This means bringing back the spirits and giving them more personalities, new emotes, and new outfits

But, if any lore expert can come up with a reasonable lore-based explanation for this, please let me know 🙏

.
Curiously, some ancestors as event guides are also considered ‘different people’ in the game’s code. You can tell if you have ascended them.

For instance, if you ascended Forgetful Storyteller, they show up as ascended in Days of Fortune at the very beginning of valley. But, if you visit harmony hall, the ‘harmony hall guide’ (who is using the same model as forgetful storyteller) is shown as un-ascended

Another example is peeking postman. When they show up in quest rotation, they’re ascended. When they show up as ‘Winter Courier’ for Days of Feast, they’re un-ascended.

If i try to explain this with lore, it would be that these 2 spirits have alter egos

.
Speaking of ascension…

How come seasonal guides can never ascend? Are they bound to this world somehow? Do they stay behind willingly or unwillingly?

[wintry matrix]

Sorry it was 1:42 am for me when you posted

[wintry matrix]

Alef: points at you
your skid: now listen here you little-

[wintry matrix]

Except valley twins ☝️🤓

[narrow marsh]

They don't?? Surely you've photographed that I'm assuming? 🕯️

[wintry matrix]

They have mittens!

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

Both cutscene models and orbit models have mittens

They also seem to have core simmilar to skids but it can jist be pattern on their clothes lit up because it is there in unlit version too (all elders have that diamond symbol on their chests both lit and unlit version, but valley twins dont have the lines around it making it look almost like skid core)

[wintry matrix]

I heard that people who ascended boogie kid have him still ascended in blue bird area 👀

[river veldt]

can someone confirm?
i don't have boogie ascended 🙏

[wintry matrix]

I dont have photo sadly, just heard someone asking it yesterday and people were saying yes to that he is ascended there

I can ask one of my friends if I catch her online (6 hours difference timezones), she has been playing since start, surely having boogie ascended

[river veldt]

oh no
if this really is true, then that means OG Boogie is the same person as Blue Bird Despondent Boogie...
they're depressed

[river veldt]

i think stewie is dusk ember, and not alef (dawn ember)

[wintry matrix]

Oh sorry i wrote that after i woke up

[river veldt]

all good

[wintry matrix]

And it still sounds funnier in alef version than stewie

[river veldt]

as for me, i have these people ascended:

• wise grandpa
• sparkler mom
• pleaful dad
• hairtousle teen
  but none of their new forms are ascended

so maybe it's only boogie that is affected

.
now, i wonder:
will boogie kid ever visit during blue bird?

one of them is a dancing kid, another one of them is depressed 😅
these 2 states don't mix at all!

[wintry matrix]

Maybe it is just visual bug, instead of making “separate model” inflating the game size, they just copy paste the same boogie there because you will not be interacting with him directly anyway?

[river veldt]

1. depressed boogie doesn't have the cape, so maybe they'd be a separate model for him?
2. boogie has a chance of visiting as TS during blue bird (but that'd be very silly, see comment above)

[wintry matrix]

Boogie has cape?

[river veldt]

they do!

[wintry matrix]

I relived his memory maybe twice since i started playing and never paid much attention

[river veldt]

boogie's cape can't be bought from them.
you'll have to buy from confetti cousin, who shares a cape with them.

(same goes to sparkler mom sharing a cape with pleaful dad, but only dad has it)

[wintry matrix]

Another theory is that they will eventually merge the blue bird (and radiance) cosmetics to the original spirits when they return (older spirits usually dont offer much) and in that case rip everyone who didnt play the season

[river veldt]

not true
pleaful parent is quite expensive, not just by OG season standards, but also by modern standards

[wintry matrix]

I dont even remember what og pleaful parent offers other than mask

[river veldt]

mask + instrument + cape
very expensive

[wintry matrix]

That guitar is inflating it tbh

[hushed steeple]

isnt that the guy who's in the zone with many krills

[river veldt]

spirits with

1. cape + pants (e.g. peeking postman, light whisperer) or
2. cape + instrument (e.g. dancing performer, overactive overachiever, mellow musician) or
3. pants + instrument (e.g. tinkering chimesmith)
   tend to go for 190+

[hushed steeple]

i forgot what it's called but i hate that zone, crab or graveyard idk

[wintry matrix]

Graveyard, crab fields/shipwreck is the area on the right

[celest trench]

is there lore behind wl

[wintry matrix]

I recommend checking pinned messages or scrolling up a bit, soe things you are asking were discussed here before and not even that long ago either

[celest trench]

😅 my phones discord is buggy so i dont have pinned messages
Ill scroll tho

[wintry matrix]

Tap on the magnifying glass, they are there

[narrow marsh]

Great question!

For the WL, there are quite a few names for them that we've heard the devs toss around. Here's some that I can recall:

• "Child(ren) of Light"
• "Stars"
• "Lost Memories"

Definitely a lot of things these different names could imply. What do you think each name might mean? 🕯️

[celest trench]

Dw i know what it is
🥲 mobile browser discord just hates me

[narrow marsh]

I fear this is unlikely to happen
That would be amazing though! 🕯️

[celest trench]

Are they fallen children of light? Luca said smth about us being new gen skykids so are they old gen?

[wintry matrix]

We are new in terms that we are different from spirits

[narrow marsh]

We're not entirely sure, though there are many, many diverse theories. Some people believe they are simply trace energy left by skykids, others believe that these are scattered fragments of the Dawn Ember (one of the main characters from the coming animated tv show), while some believe these are direct fragments of each skykid.
And or mixes of these theories and more!

But let's look at it ourselves. We give them to those statues in Eden, right? What do you think about those statues? 🕯️

[wintry matrix]

Spirits were previous inhabitans of the kingdom

[celest trench]

are those statues the people of the fallen kingdom?

[wintry matrix]

To me those statues are people of eden that got caught in first wave of explosion but the thing that they are skids that came before us and failed is also possible

[celest trench]

so why are we different and are reborn instead of being a statue? Aside from cuz its a game

[wintry matrix]

Someone might answer you better and sooner than me tbh, im busy with work still atm

[narrow marsh]

Well to answer both of your takes, they are actually confirmed to be "other children"
Both in the art book and in livestreams. ❤️ 🕯️

[celest trench]

i see
Thanks

[narrow marsh]

Oh my bad I forgot to

[sharp orchid]

Hoiii! Is there a place where I can get the uhh.. what's it called... all the current theories/lore on Sky?

[narrow marsh]

For the current state of the Lore community, you'll just have to interact I'm afraid but I can give you a bunch of resources if you want to do some reading! ❤️ 🕯️

[celest trench]

:0

[sharp orchid]

Yes, please! On the resources, part. I have nearly no clue of the lore, old and new. Just things I sort of figured out on my own

[celest trench]

mind also sending me them please? In dms since my message history doesnt really work 😭

[narrow marsh]

The lore is meant to be very unclear and unspecific, so that people can have their own interpretations and try to discover the 'Truth' for themself!

1. Here's a pamphlet made by some theorists. Some of the ideas in there are still speculations rather than concrete facts, but it's nice. https://tinyurl.com/skylore

2. There are many activities and quests that hint at some major Themes or story beats of Sky. 👇

• 📌 AURORA questline and concert
• 📌 Season of Abyss
• Cave in Prairie Peaks
• 📌 Final Shattering memory
• 📌 Season of Prophecy murals
• 📌 Murals in Eden
• 📌 Remembrance Spirit memories
• A specific quest in Season of Performance
  And more!

3. 📌 Definitely see Tom Zhao's art page for some key visual concept art. 📖
   To find it, just look up "tom zhao sky"

4. For the nitty gritty of interviews and concept art, just scroll aaaalll the way up in the pins, here in Lorechat!

5. Visit the SkyFanon wikipedia to find all sorts of great information and speculative articles by theorists. The "Murals" page on the site is a good place to start. 👀

Here's an article on some popular theories, for example.
https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Amity206/Sky_Lore_Theories

6. 📌 And lastly, the three trailers for animated series Sky: The Two Embers, as well as the series itself as displayed in the cinema of course.

Overall, I hope this helps. We're still slowly building a non-biased presentation of all of our resources across the webs, and it's important to let those resources stay where they are; it shows how expansive the lore community's efforts have become! Either way, Happy hunting! 🕯️

[narrow marsh]

The message I just sent is meant to be easily copy-pasted, so you should be able to send it to yourself in any other place, but if you'd prefer having it directly messaged to you that's no biggie 🕯️

[celest trench]

thanks in advance if you send

[sharp orchid]

Thank you so much!
I definitely understand the intention behind keeping it vague. It keeps it open to all interpretations. But! It's also really fun to gain insight on what others made of Sky. However, the server is just too big for me to keep track of to get that info via proper interacting (or even lurking) :')

[narrow marsh]

Completely agree. Archiving from a completely observational, completely unbiased perspective is near impossible, because to ask for the Lore community is to get all of the unfiltered, opinionated, agenda-based directives of individuals who are all very different from each other! And can be frustrating, but I've come to find it as something so beautiful. When people ask about specific topics or questions though, there will always be someone who has an answer, even if it's only their answer/interpretation.

[sharp orchid]

Could not agree more. Thank you so much for being open and sharing what you have ^v^

[wintry matrix]

I can give you…. Uhhh… lore photos! I think

I still need to collect few more hearts to finish prairie constellation to give Ayin orbit photoshoot too

[hushed steeple]

Hey everyone, I need to confess something, and it’s been weighing on me a lot. That’s why I’m writing this here.

I once had a friend in Sky. We met in the Eye of Eden — I was really persistent, and that’s how we found each other. We became friends, and he was so kind, polite, and funny. He showed me so many places I had never seen before.

But then… I deleted him. And yes, I had my reasons. But looking back, I really regret it. It was a bad decision. The game hasn’t felt the same since.

It’s been bothering me so much that I even downloaded Discord just to write this here.
I just wanted to say — in case he ever sees this:
I’m truly sorry. Deeply.

[wintry matrix]

GUYS NEXT RED SHARD MEMORY IS ELDER ONE MY CAMERA IS READY

[scenic pebble]

pro tip:
you can enter a red shard several times after completing it once
every time you do you will be in a different void space

[wintry matrix]

no, pretty sure that one depends on how many shattering quests you have completed

i sometimes had to re enter because i forgot to grab wl and it was always the same space

[scenic pebble]

maybe, i think i discovered it after finishing Shattering quests so i have no clue how it works when you haven't completed it

[wintry matrix]

the memory spaces slowly get filled with how much you progress in the quest tree, it starts with mostly empty black room and then stuff relatred to that memory starts spawning

[agile totem]

I think the prairie cave was the start point to dye plants, because theres a room having jars with plants, even before the Radiance (the same jars in dye workshop basement). I cant think if it started after or before the cristal explosion, because the aviary looks give us another timeline in the lore

[wintry matrix]

could be where radiance guide lived before moving to aiary though

[wide inlet]

Does anyone know of a theory involving the Tower of Trials and mages in the Golden Wasteland?

Someone said: The mages who lived in the Wasteland, especially in the Tower of Storms, were scholars of the sky, weather, and winds. They created creatures to control the wind — perhaps to protect Sky from a threat they were aware of, or to maintain the energetic balance of light. But something went wrong.
These creatures (the crabs, which react to light and live in the desert) may have been magical or technological creations that eventually turned against the mages. Over time, the mages themselves were corrupted or transformed into crabs either as punishment or as a consequence of their uncontrolled use of light and wind.
(But Idk if its really a thing or if he made it up lol )

[agile totem]

I dont know about the crab, but part of this remember me the old mural concepts from abyss showing vault students using mantas to energize cristals and turning them into dangerous creatures

[wintry matrix]

oot but one fun fact: out of many mantas in valley race, the last one you see right before entering colliseum is our little friend from prairie becuase they stop and wait for you (sometimes even fly back) if you stop during the race and they wait at the long stretch in front of colliseum so they can fly alongside you there

[agile totem]

Then stop and wait for the krill

[scenic pebble]

guys
what is the King Krill doing in Sanctuary?

[wintry matrix]

to protect you from it, they even move away from us if you go near so you wont get hit or targeted

[distant pebble]

swimming

[wintry matrix]

let Bertha have vacation too

[agile totem]

Touching grass
Not literally yet

[earnest briar]

There’s no Tower of Storms????? There aren’t any Spirits referred to as ‘mages’ either. At most, there’s the Enchantment crew, and they’re all called things like ‘muralists’ and ‘farmers’ and ‘herbalists’. There’s also the alchemist Enchantment Spirit, but again, that’s not a mage. I think your friend was telling you fanfiction.

[wintry matrix]

alef potter and the mountain of eden

[sour sphinx]

My guess/thoughts for Crescent Valley in Nine Colored Deer, I've been thinking about what would happen if we couldn't save the Deer and the area would remain dark and Krills would probably still be in the area

[wintry matrix]

propably next wasteland

[inland cliff]

Something I noticed is that the enchantment crew may have inhabited the dense land their ship crashed on for more than awhile, since you see them establishing small farms, collecting resources, even drawing murals on the ship's corpe. If they are elites based on their mask displayed in the murals, wouldn't they be rescued instead of spending their last moments there?

[wide inlet]

So he is really creative lol. Nice nice thank you

[scenic pebble]

maybe there wasn't anyone left to rescue them

[wintry matrix]

honestly they could have get stuck there during Eden final days when everyone had different things to do than focusing on some group of people

[scenic pebble]

one more thing
the Arc we see was not alone
it was a flagship of what seems to have been an exodus fleet

[wintry matrix]

could be supplies for army

i have no idea what exodus fleet means

[inland cliff]

What is "Eden final days", did people had noticed abt the upcoming explosion or was it a post-apocalypse

[scenic pebble]

exodus means
"hell nah, i ain't staying here, goodbye"

[wintry matrix]

who tried to spell waffles instead of war 😭

[inland cliff]

This ain't beta chat lol

[scenic pebble]

let's just say Shattering wasn't needed for the Ancestral civilization to fall
there seemed to be a remarkable amount of bad things happening across the realms for years before it

[wintry matrix]

people were getting sick and Resh was just "i pretend to not see"

their pets were propably confiscated to be processed into light as well

[primal blade]

Wait can anyone tell me why there is a dead manta on your way to the flight race? I’ve always wondered why but never paid attention

[earnest briar]

SKYBOT WHY
I spent like 10 minutes writing all of that out! You can’t just bean me with no explanation on which word or words made it happen!

Okay, time to try this again.

[primal blade]

Can I send screenshot here?

Okay so this thingy is what I was wondering about- seems a little weird to have

[earnest briar]

I’ve been doing some thinking about Two Embers ‘darkstone disease’, and I have an idea I’d like to propose. A while back, I forget if I shared it in here or in #cozy-sky-discussion, I shared a theory I had that the little blue darkstone-like crystals that form on extinguished Sky Kids who take enough damage is the result of their inner Light crystalizing in an attempt to plug the injuries and prevent further loss of Light. Something akin to the process of blood clotting and creating scabs around injuries that break the skin in real life organisms.

But none of the Ancestors we know to have the darkstone disease in the 2 Embers trailers seem to have any noticeable injuries. So what if their Light is developing a sort of cancer?
Instead of growing to protect an Ancestor’s Light until their injuries heal, the crystals are becoming more like malignant cancer growths, ie things like tumors.

There’s precedent in the real world for people exposed to harmful substances over a prolonged amount of time developing cancer. Even a baby exposed to those substances in the womb can be far more susceptible to being born with or developing serious illnesses. And with darkness pollution becoming a bigger and bigger problem as the darkstone industry grows, I’d say that certainly counts as a harmful substance.

The oily Dark Water found in places like Wasteland can even be seen as analogous to contaminated groundwater, which can occur from things such as industrial activities and waste dumping.

[earnest briar]

It’s a cut daily quest from very early Sky, I believe. You had to visit it like you do for the saplings, or the hotsprings in Village of Dreams. The quest isn’t in rotation anymore, but they kept the bird there, probably as environmental decor.

[primal blade]

Ohhh I see, thank you

[wintry matrix]

isnt irl cancer also that? the protective cells going haywire?

[narrow marsh]

Its a good idea and theres definitely a lot for us to investigate with the visual of plants growing out of pots, but we actually see plants grow out of pots in various places across the realms, with other appearances being the entrance area inside Forest Caverns, and also Prairie Temple.

People don't touch up on the fact that we see plants inside pots so it's good that we mention it when we do.
Have you heard of the Natural Filter / Phytoremediation Theory?
I forget who came up with it 🕯️

[wintry matrix]

speaking of plants, darkness plants (and dye plants too technically) look like flytraps and it is funny cuz new players are called moths and flytraps eat bugs (the big ones can eat birds too so sparrow works as well!)

[earnest briar]

[Have you heard of the Natural Filter / Phytoremediation Theory?
I forget who came up with it 🕯️]

‘Twas I!
I’ll be honest, it’s a really nice feeling to see you bring up my theory to others visiting this channel, especially since I look up to your own theories and proposals.

[earnest briar]

Yeah, pretty much. The DNA of cells gets messed up through mutations, and they start replicating uncontrollably. The mutation that caused this to occur basically cuts the link between the body’s ‘off switch’ and the mutated cells, preventing the body’s normal functions that control where and when cells replicate from being able to recognize it as a problem.

That’s why many people resort to using chemotherapy, despite the negative effects it can often end up having on them. The radiation used damages and destroys the mutated DNA of the cancer cells, preventing, or at least slowing, further replication. But it’s not exclusive with what is targeted, and is more of a “scorched earth” solution, so the radiation also ends up harming your healthy, non-mutated cells.

[pastel brook]

A "moth" is a new player. They have brown wings, they flap around uncontrollably, and they are drawn to flame!

[distant pebble]

and there's butterflies in them

[narrow marsh]

Enzzzz

To be clear I had a hunch 😭 ☝️
I tried to check in the chat history but my search results weren't clicking. We should summarize it somehow for that to be referred to. 🕯️

[narrow marsh]

Here's my thoughts on why nobody found them, based upon the Backstory Timeline's iteration of what the ark could have been.

Essentially, I believe they intentionally escaped Eden with the intent of reaching faraway lands where they would never be found. Clearly, they underestimated the reach of the Cataclysm and it's storm. 🕯️

[copper bay]

i really wonder why the birds all fly into this pipe in Eden

[earnest briar]

Hmmm… How about:
“Dark Plants don’t directly stem from Darkness, but are nature’s response to it; absorbing Darkness pollution from the ground and converting it back into a safer state in the form of Light. This can manifest as both wax and Butterflies. Sky Kids act as helpers in this by burning away Dark Plants to release the Butterflies they’ve produced back into the environment.

Based on factors in the environment, Butterflies can change from their base yellow to different colors of the Light spectrum during the conversion process, since they are Creatures of Light. This is how we can gain dye from the Colored Plants and Butterflies.”

[sour sphinx]

I can't imagine the world of Sky including Eye of Eden used to be a thriving place. It's sad that it was taken away... But the good thing is we're rebuilding it but it's probably going to take a while, right?

[stable veldt]

I still cackle whenever I remember that one spirit from "Season of LP" where the depressed soldier drank dark water. It was based from the drunkard in the original story, but since in sky Dark water is basically polluted water.

So that means the sad soldier just drank... Sewer water? I guess it has alcoholic propertues

[distant pebble]

wasteland just is a land covered in alcohol

[stable veldt]

You're telling me wasteland was not an industrial complex, but a brewery? 😳

[narrow marsh]

I have food!

The visual effects of skykid's and Ancestor's Expressions are called "Emanata" 🕯️

[distant pebble]

That's an unnecessarily gorgeous name for a fun thing

[distant pebble]

The kingdom fell because King needed more beer or something

[stable veldt]

Oh danh no embeds

https://tenor.com/view/workout-work-collect-money-happy-family-gif-13529990

[wintry matrix]

Eden is sacred land where light creatures go to die and be reborn

[wintry matrix]

I was looking at the concepts earlier and imo the ark was an “escape pod” cuz one of concepts shows it having priority access way for Resh and higher ups and why would they need priority access if that boat was carrying just colored light for example

Maybe Resh got trapped inside of Eden BECAUSE the enchantment squad took away his only way out

[wintry matrix]

Mmmmm baked krill on wine…

[river veldt]

hello!
may i see the source?

[wintry matrix]

Tom Zhao

[scenic pebble]

this is concept art so not all of this may be canon
while here the Arc is shown as a way for royalty to escape in the game it's shown more as a way for the Ancestral civilization to endure.. I'd like to think that it was launched as a contingency while the Elders stayed behind to try fixing their mistakes
but all failed, and all fell

[agile totem]

Yes, some concepts just can be used in theories if theres something similar in game because some ideas would be discarded

[scenic pebble]

to me it stands in opposition to what is presented in game.
one interpretation of building the Arc is that it was a selfish act which would let the powerful people live on even after they destroyed their world while the other is a selfless act of preserving the culture and knowledge of the Ancestral civilization
or maybe it was both, idk

[narrow marsh]

In the concepts it was meant to be much larger and carry "the whole kingdom", but yes an escape vessel is one of the ideas I noted. 🕯️

[narrow marsh]

It would not be illogical to see it as both

[upper mortar]

The real reason why its always raining in Hidden Forest is to make it impossible for Sky Kids to start a forest fire. It's not a real rain, Forest Elder installed thousands of sprinkler system in the sky

[wintry matrix]

Yes because you can definitely start a fire with petrified trees

[upper mortar]

Never doubt the capabilities of an arsonist Sky Kid. They will find a way (They always do)

[distant pebble]

except for when it rains ig

[wintry matrix]

ok im taking photos in the elder memory rn and theres some interesting things

also you cant use camera prop while holding someones hand/piggy and my alt has zero shattering memories done so i have to jump down to fetch them cuz theres just empty dark room for them lmao

but theres no way i would fly that high up without second player

[ashen fractal]

I have found that the shards around the crystal (not the crystal itself) recharged my light so I could get to the top if that helps?

Sort of like the mushrooms. They are a little slippery but I was able to bounce between them to get to the wl and above.

Lore-wise, I find it odd that those broken off shard peices recharge light and I'm wondering if it's a game mechanic only. So you can get to the top.

[wintry matrix]

yeah they make you float a little but you still slowly sink

[ashen fractal]

Weird, I was able to balance on them until my light was fully charged...

[wintry matrix]

its definitely just game mechanics cuz theres wl on top, i think the jellyfish also do that

[ashen fractal]

The jellyfish in game also restore light though, passively and quickly. Whereas other light creatures need to chirp to do so.

You're probably right, I just found it odd. But that's how I got to the top and to see the Eden Elder for the first time without a buddy.

[wintry matrix]

im having problems that:

1. Sah, Tsadi and Ayin are facing away from the crystal so they are almost not visible even when using glow spell on both skids, holding candle and having camera on max brightness + they are horizontally in the air so theres not a good angle to get
2. Teth is not only half case of being too dark but she is also horizontal + head turned to the side, basically impossible to take photo of her face like that

i love theths hair but now it is nuisance

[ashen fractal]

Oh yeah I couldn't even really see Forest Elder, they were hard to find...

[wintry matrix]

i need to get some bright and glowing prop that i can stand on but theres like none other than maybe those glowing (and pretty small) orbs froms eason of enchantment

and i dont think you can even stand on those orbs

[ashen fractal]

Can you adjust the brightness level on your device?

Sorry I wish I could help more, I don't think there's a brightness adjustment in game..

[wintry matrix]

the marching adventurer torch is too slim to comfortably stand on

[inland cliff]

Forest elder were blasted way further than the other elders, I wonder why

[wintry matrix]

i have my pc screen set to 100 and almost being blinded, its not devide brightness issue but game itself cuz even if i put those photos to editing software to brighten, nothing will show up because it is just one color

[wintry matrix]

tsadi is also pretty far away

[ashen fractal]

Oof yeah I have considered giving game feedback to add more contrast. My eyesight needs more help.

Maybe Forest and Wasteland were the two worst threats?

[inland cliff]

I'm srry I don't khow their nicknames which is tsadi ?

[wintry matrix]

i think they maybe jumped to stop it as first ones and as they were blasted away, the other elders ran towards it

[ashen fractal]

Ah I will have to start using the time of day names more

[inland cliff]

If the wl is not hinting at Steward and The Prince then idk what is 😭

[trim belfry]

Lore chat
Don't you think there's a possibility we are actually kind of representation of dusk ember...I found this picture in one of the trailers

Exactly like what happens after eden

[inland cliff]

Long ago i spotted a video theorizing how skykids could represent darkness with call-outs abt our symbol compared to the light symbol as far as I can remember

[wintry matrix]

hey, resh is actually dawn ember (officially confirmed), the kid looking like stewie is dusk ember

[inland cliff]

Woops mixed up

[wintry matrix]

if you zoom at the light child, they look exactly like stewie #lore-discussion-spoilers message

and guess who of all spirits can be considered our "best friend"

though this bestie also literally told me to go die in eden so-

"I would die for you."
"Ok then do it."
"Wait wh-"

[earnest briar]

To be fair, it was necessary to bring the Spirits to Aviary, and Steward probably asked us specifically knowing we wouldn’t be permanently dead from the attempt.

[wintry matrix]

yeah I know but it is still funny to think about it like your friend literally telling you to go end yourself all of sudden lol

"You did all this for me, now please stop existing."

[narrow marsh]

I know that this is depicting the moment they die... but Tsadi looks so cool 🕯️

[wintry matrix]

tsadi aid if im gonna die i will die with style

[distant pebble]

i remembered "the diamond inside diamond" you failed to take pictures of
I'm not sure how important that is
but you're sane i guess

[wintry matrix]

yeah i checked this one too but this looks like normal stone while the krill memory one was darkstone shaped from all angles

[trim belfry]

You guys gave him a name? XD
Actually I noticed he looks like the kid in the trailer... which could be dawn ember
That's why I said we are representing dusk ember... maybe we were trying to save dawn ember along side with the realm

[wintry matrix]

hopeful steward from aviary - stewie in short

[trim belfry]

Or probably he did some kind of sacrifice for the realm... that's why he's there in the dark room alone

Also who said that he was the one who asked us to go to eden? I believe it was the elders who lead us to that all the story

[narrow marsh]

*maybe

For one reason or another, we unfortunately have to point out that that is only a theory until it's more directly affirmed; Some people don't believe, or don't immediately want to accept the idea that it's the same character 🕯️

[wintry matrix]

stewie asked us to conquer eden in last season of revival quest

they hug us when we return too

[trim belfry]

Ooh so he did? I didn't complete the last quest of revival
Then maybe since he's a spirit now... Maybe he was asking us that to save himself who was stuck in the dark room alone for a long time and to defeat eden like in the original story (like how elders asked us to do so)

Knowing that we'll be reborn after that and we won't die

[wintry matrix]

it was to bring spirits to orbit so they can visit aviary if they decide to

because they (the spirits) were unable to enter rebirth cycle by themselves

[cobalt palm]

More possibly interesting facts about the hug in the shard memory.
I believe I'm right in saying these are the only 2 characters that give winged lights that wear masks.
I remembered to take my camera in and set the brightness on the lowest to get the most detail, and it does appear that they are both wearing masks, where I believe all other winged light children are maskless

[sour sphinx]

I'm curious if they were children like our Sky Kids. People say that after the King died, we came to being and (in my opinion) the leftover light after we were born became WL

[spiral vault]

That's very likely, it's basically confirmed that Dusk Ember is a skykid

[spiral vault]

I think the skykids shown in-game are the "first", besides maybe the two embers

[fallow needle]

i don't know if there's an actual reason for why waste is like that ™️ but i have the headcanon it was once a prosperous fishing town, that was quite advanced. this fishing city tried to harness a different kind of flame to power its growing civilization, and it resulted in a polluted wasteland, the once beautiful ocean turned to sludge, the boats beached, and the people in deep trouble, without the city's biggest food source and water access. this is why there are so many boats, why all the creatures resemble ocean creatures, why there is no candles, only plants! why there's carcasses all over the place - why the oasis exists - there's lots to explore in wastes and its so fun

[river veldt]

at the end of skyfest 2024's keynote speech, we get a closer look at the glowing child
they indeed have hair like hopeful steward / dusk ember!

source with timestamp:
https://youtu.be/XvG-xhixB2g?si=MG8ptZKmhFzhZKKX&t=2478

[river veldt]

he's the only elder who wears a cape!
and skykid fashion revolves around cool capes

[wintry matrix]

Maybe thats why he died, he wore a cape edna voice

[peak tangle]

goshdangit

[wintry matrix]

No capes!

[peak tangle]

but cape is pretty :(

[river veldt]

Sky children always wear capes.
Is this why they’re doomed to repeatedly die?

This checks out; capeless skids have no WL to lose, and they’re effectively invulnerable!

[wintry matrix]

Reminder that Resh wore cape too and he died!

[atomic sapphire]

Sky kids are kinda immortal too, because the megabird is like,"Go fix that mess, no time to rest for you."

[wintry matrix]

Megabird is just loading last save file like Chara

[distant pebble]

Technicaly it would make sense if they gave us a different body with same memories of soul

[brittle fractal]

The current event really shows how & why there's more krills in gw. It seems baby krills are first in the water before they eventually fly (kinda like mosquitoes ). Gw is the realm that has the most water so it makes sense why they multiplied there more.

[wintry matrix]

Iirc someone on reddit pointed out that krill do look like mosquito larva

that means they can technically still evolve into bigger form with wings and chase us around instead of just dashing forward oh god

[wintry matrix]

Forest has more water than gw imo (and Teth received the water element from Alef iirc) and no im not counting the rain lol

[brittle fractal]

Wait I thought forest didn't have much water before and was sunny like prairie but had rain sometimes. I thought the (dark) rain only appeared after everything in sky went haywire. Imo i don'tthink forest really has that much water except for near the temple area. Gw is completely sorrounded by water (all the sand is pretty telling), there's also the abyss seasonal area where it's mostly just water + King krill lives there

[brittle fractal]

They kinda do Their life cycle kinda confirms as well that they're based on mosquitoes (but instead of blood they take away light) rather than Shrimp, which we've always aquainted them with

[wintry matrix]

theres creek running through the whole forest and it is quite deep on some spots

and i think that one was in the two embers trailer too but I might be wrong

[river veldt]

why do whisperer spirits get to mimic the calls of creatures perfectly, but when skykids get their calls, it sounds very off?

i know the in-game reason is that TGC does not want players to make the same sounds that creatures make, because it'd be confusing and misleading. but, is there a lore reason for this?

[eager burrow]

Yeah, some people like to shorten Hopeful Steward to Stewie; some people (like myself) prefer to shorten it to Hope. ^v^
(Edit: sorry if this was already covered, I wasn’t really reading previous messages closely)

[wintry matrix]

and some call him jonathan #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[wintry matrix]

oh my god hes actually teaching her (kinda), i was right

they take turns and she no longer has the exhausted animation after using the powers

[river veldt]

i love tiny details like this
makes the spirits & the world come alive!

[wintry matrix]

i loved the days of bloom spirits in ark, how one of them was all pounty and whiny the girls pay zero attention to him and then started dramatically walking away

[atomic sapphire]

Bro frisk and before him flowey does that.

Lol I know too much about undertale

[wintry matrix]

i do too but your sentence makes zero sense honestly

[atomic sapphire]

Oh,my bad. I meant that chara was never able to save and reload, only frisk and flowey(before frisk fell into the underground) were able to save and reload.

[wintry matrix]

chara is able to modify the save file too, theres whole cutscene after the bad ending

[atomic sapphire]

Like yeah but they are technically just a entity at that point which is more determined than us(they came back from the dead).

[soft timber]

Every day the spirits are getting closer and closer to us lol

[spiral vault]

It really started after Revival, before this it was only the Lightseeker spirits from Days of Bloom

[wintry matrix]

those new-ish dailies with spirits are cute too, way better than "watching paint dry" admiring the sapling

[stoic inlet]

https://youtu.be/tJw2g5fb5cg?si=eKEVY_1bne5euwuO

I saw this video and want peoples opinions on it

[peak tangle]

theyre based on mosquitoes? that makes me want to bully them more :>

“…and they only serve to bolster my rage.” - Huggbees how its actually made video

[spiral vault]

5 minutes in and I'm already about to cry

we need more videos like this, but this is so good on ints own

[stoic inlet]

It really is ;^;

[earnest briar]

[spiral vault]

I think the Forest Elder interpretation is a bit off, the vibe of the cutscene is more "they're are bit rude and don't care about you", which is a common feeling adolescents have towards their elders

[spiral vault]

I absolutely love the video in the end, and it's similar to what I've said as well, here: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

It's said very eloquently

I also love how they also use seasonal areas as the footage, showing that even the later additions still reflect this cycle

[stoic inlet]

Oooooo

[sour sphinx]

Some might agree, some might disagree, part of me is convinced the King is alive. But I know we haven't had any proof yet. We've seen structures symbolizing him and Eye of Eden.

[robust flare]

(And then there's me, calling them Stew 🍲)

[robust flare]

I think the king is alive in a way. But I don't think he is whole. In the art book, it says he sacrificed himself so a new generation could be born (if I remember right). I think his light exists in the world. And his darkness. We all have a darkness in us. I don't think he can be reformed, but he's alive in the world. The light of his heart, it's still here

[earnest briar]

so uh…has anyone else noticed that the Sanctuary Bobbit is now WAY bigger than the river Bobbit in Peaks?? A lot louder and aggressive too. It feels like it’s almost the size of a Krill now. I think the Leviathan’s constant presence has been doing something funky to the no-longer-so-little guy.

[cyan wren]

he's been very grabby when i'm scrubbing for oil. very rude

[versed blade]

what’s a bobbit??

[wintry matrix]

Well we are just kids making weird noises, unlike them who had likely years to practice

[wintry matrix]

(I didnt see the video yet) I saw that scene as Teth being really bored from being stuck in limbo for so long without anything to do and then suddenly YOU showed up with ✨stuff ✨ you can do something with (your flame) so she was like OMG GIMME and started working with it right away. As fellow crafty AuDHD person I feel this a lot, being understimulated feels like torture. Plus Teth later calmly bows to you without hesitation and on orbit she is acting very gentle (and elegant) so I dont think shes evil, just impulsive

[wintry matrix]

Community nickname for the sanctuary wormy

[wintry matrix]

Way bigger and with way wider range yes, I got grabbed like 3 times even when I was avoiding him as much as possible

He grabbed me multiple times from the shore and I saw people being grabbed at geyser too