lore-discussion-spoilers

[hushed steeple]

Most deffinetly☺️
I would say for the first 4-5 realms its quite reliable for getting a general idea of the worlds geography

[rocky grove]

so, some new things from this season

the collab related areas are whole different places you can teleport to. unlike just mediating to open a door. for some reason it's making me think of the theory that vault is some sort of illusion is more believable

the concept of (mini) kingdoms owned by beings other than just the elders exists. as we see, with the lord and the princess. I haven't seen this dynamic anywhere else though. (sanctuary islands / sanctuary guide - flight tunnels / flight guide doesn't count in my eyes because they aren't seen as royalty?)

the fact that the place is surrounded by clouds and the only entrance was blocked off by darkness. was this just a game limitation or is it truly the main entrance that was blocked?

the place, unlike starlight desert, does not look like it belongs in vault at all.

what do you guys think?

[subtle wave]

I was expecting Orbit to be at the very top, like some sort of heaven(?), but it's off to the side? Very confusing. Another thing, when you go to the treehouse, and to the square-ish door to the Brook(?), it geographically makes no sense. From the treehouse to somewhere at the middle of Hidden Forest? Aaaaaa

[willow shoal]

[real jungle]

My theory is maybe the new area is a completely different galaxy all together

We have constellations, which would mean currently we’re in a galaxy
Perhaps this one is a different galaxy we somehow travelled to
In some past seasons other galaxies were shown and it was obvious that the current galaxy the sky kids are in isn’t the only one (eg little prince, aurora, revival and even prophecy with the wall paintings)
But it isn’t even just seasons, it’s in the main lore too
For example at the end of Eden, in orbit you can see other galaxies and even planets in the credits

This is only a theory, but it’s obvious things that aren’t spirits are able to travel through galaxies

So perhaps the new area is part of a different galaxy, hence why the entry to it is so different compared to other seasons

[willow shoal]

Different **STORYLINES **in the same UNIVERSE

[real jungle]

This is off topic, but I have head canon about the darkness creatures
we know there’s dark and light, dark being the enemy to light
But what if the sky kids were in the wrong the whole time? the krills, crabs and other dark creatures may be there to keep balance, and we know the sky kids have been going through hundreds maybe even thousands of years trying to get light back to the world of sky
Perhaps, the “darkness” was always there, and like an invasion species the light came and tried to snuff it out.
I believe Eden was a safe place made by the dark creatures, the only place they can migrate to without being harmed too much by light
However, just like how invasive species work, the light children would constantly come in to Eden to try to snuff it out, getting killed in the process

not really a theory it’s more a head canon

The idea of unwillingly playing as the bad guy while the game portrays it as being good is a really nice concept imo

[real jungle]

YES EXACTLY
We know there’s different planets in sky, that much is obvious
So like. It could be

[willow shoal]

novel and interesting idea

[real jungle]

I love writing silly ideas

[rain harness]

Hello lore chat! Do you guys think skykids ever grow up to become adults like the spirits, or are they a sort of being that stays young forever? I have my own personal HC that once Skykids become adults (either by some ceremony like Season of Passage or by physically aging) they become known as Wayfarers in reference to Journey, but id like to know your guy's thoughts!

[plain steppe]

I feel like skykid’s are like those immortal jellyfish but instead of growing into adults and then rebirthing into a child, they stay physically as children but mentally learn more and more each rebirth idk

[rugged stump]

Vessels like in hollow knight

[native mirage]

WoH

[bright sail]

guys it just occurred to me... the WL you get at the top of the eden shard memory is two kids hugging
two embers?

[rugged stump]

2 butterflies at the DoL place, at the end of the concert and at the end of the TE trailer

[lucid bridge]

It’s a collab season so in my head the canonicity of it is dubious. It’s also all framed as a story so who knows what is really happening (like what exactly is the physical realness of the dreamy Vault). Also, while having a place on the Sky map, the new season area doesn’t seem to be connected to the Sky Kingdom at all.

That being said I can totally see some ancestors going off and making their own micronation, away from the king. I’ll add to this when I explore more of the space because I also have another theory.

The idea that this takes place on another planet overseen by Megabird is very interesting. I’ll have to think more about it later.

Do you think this is the Remembrance Guide’s grave? If not, whose grave is it?

[rocky grove]

thank you guys for your takes! very interesting tho it's difficult for my brain to wrap around

[hushed steeple]

Wait, where is this picture taken?

[rugged stump]

is there a lore reason for why i want her

[hushed steeple]

There are some questions for which there are no answers, nore do they require one. 🤣

[rugged stump]

this concept art is proof that Light Awaits was just a previous cycle

her mask is still there above the door

[hushed steeple]

Not too shure about that, but it is a fun fan throry😅

[rugged stump]

sky now looks like just a ruined version of LA

[hushed steeple]

Speaking of concept art, I think you might want to see this
Get the full evolution of our linx queen

[rugged stump]

both lore-wise and literally

[fallow plinth]

has anyone ever heard of the mothercrab?

[lucid bridge]

No

Big hole in the “Nine-Colored Deer takes place in a different planet theory” - we can see eden

[hushed steeple]

Yeah I never really though the "other planet" theory made too much sence

[fallow plinth]

the mothercrab is the MOTHER OF ALL CRABS

someday she will descend upon sky and wreak havoc on all sky kids 😊

[wanton kraken]

That sounds so cool!

Tell me all about it?

[fallow plinth]

thank you! i'm so excited for SEASON OF CRAB when the mothercrab will finally descend in a giant alien spaceship and set fire to the garden of eden!

[wanton kraken]

Oh wowsers so that crab of yours is like not G with angroy scare stone spitting Triangele?

[fallow plinth]

well actually the mothercrab laid a bunch of eggs in the vault of knowledge! so the round "stones" that you see in there are actually crab eggs! and this is all a big plot because when the MOTHERCRAB descends her eggs will hatch and then crabs will take over the entire world of sky!!

[wanton kraken]

And then we can go to Eden without being deathed by a angroy triangle?!?’nvbcnnvbcbv?!?!!!?!!!!!!????

[fallow plinth]

no because eden doesn't actually exist! it's actually a GIANT CRAB!!!!

[wanton kraken]

WHAAAAAAAT IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(does this mean people will stop being mean to jeremy?)

[fallow plinth]

IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE!! SOON ALL THE MOTHERCRAB NONBELIEVERS WILL BE EXTINGUISHED!!!
(idk who jeremy is sorry)

[wanton kraken]

jeremy is a crab that hangs out near that fireplace
(Also yay with that extingush)

[fallow plinth]

then everyone who has ever been mean to jeremy will be targeted by the MOTHERCRAB when she descends!! just wait for season of the crab!!

[wanton kraken]

Omigosh i litoroy can’t wait season of crabs sound like such a vibe

[fallow plinth]

it will be complete crab takeover in every realm! the mothercrab's reach is never ending!! nowhere is safe!!!!

[pallid owl]

Lia don’t harass people in here/j

[wanton kraken]

Can I suggest to all might mother crab that all vault cutscenes shall be removed with immoderate effect in order to reduce the believers mental breakdowns?
Ps: Typo ://
Pss: Can’t be bothered by pointing out btw
Psss: find out self
Pssss: mother crab cool

[fallow plinth]

hello do you believe in the mothercrab?

[edgy laurel]

(They light up) also I don't quite understand what you mean but I think yes?

[atomic wave]

mother crab

[fallow plinth]

mothercrab!!!!!!

[wanton kraken]

MOTHER CRAB SHAL BRING JUSTICE TO THE LAND AND EXTINGUISH THOSE WHO SEAK TO DELAY THE INEVITABLE SALVATION

[edgy laurel]

I'm always the last to understand jokes☠️

[atomic wave]

It's ok

[fallow plinth]

it's not a joke the mothercrab is real and she's coming to sky

[wanton kraken]

YUH UH
(I love me my salvation)

[atomic wave]

Live laugh Love mothercrab

[fallow plinth]

the mothercrab will rip a hole into the ozone layer of green wasteland and then she will descend upon the land with the force of a thousand suns! all crabs in the nearby vicinity of the universe will be drawn in to her power!! all the crab eggs in vault of knowledge and hidden forest will immediately hatch!! the season of the crab will be upon us!!!!!

[wanton kraken]

AND WITH HER UNFATHOMABLE FORCE SHE SHALL ERASE ALL THE UNHOLY CUTSCENES OF VAULT!!!!!!!!!!!!

[fallow plinth]

YES! MOTHERCRAB WILL BRING MUCH NEEDED CHANGE TO SKY!!!!! SHE WILL REDESIGN THE SERVER WITH THE POWER OF HER MULTIDIMENSIONAL MIND!!!

for example it will soon be possible to hold MORE THAN ONE CRAB AT ONCE!!! you can hold a whole stack!!!

[wanton kraken]

May sanctuary island stick around?

[fallow plinth]

and! thanks to the benevolence of the mothercrab, by sacrificing one (1) non-believer sky friend, you will gain her blessing and be spared from her wrath!!!

[wanton kraken]

Yay I have so many disposable non believer friends!!!!!!! No wrath will ever touch me :3

[fallow plinth]

sanctuary island may stick around but of course the mothercrab will rule supreme and invite all crabs to live there as well for their vacation home.

[lone tundra]

Is mothercrab edible? 👀

[fallow plinth]

no and just for the audacity of attempting to eat her you will be the first victim.

mothercrab is the size of ONE KRILLION CRABS!!!! SKY KIDS ARE PUNY IN COMPARISON!!! FEAR HER!!!!!!

[wanton kraken]

Bummer 😔

[lone tundra]

I have a big stomach

[lone tundra]

Nomnomnom

[fallow plinth]

:(.

[lone tundra]

If you can dream it you can do it

[fallow plinth]

you can't even comprehend the SCOPE of the mothercrab

[lone tundra]

Chibi power

[fallow plinth]

if you saw her in person your puny legs would tremble and your tiny head would explode

[lone tundra]

Seems like more food to me 👀

[fallow plinth]

kaboom

[wanton kraken]

Would this person please the mother crab in a potential sacrifice?

[lone tundra]

Yes

[fallow plinth]

you're the sacrifice 😠

[lone tundra]

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. You guys are willingly getting me closer to her and then.. when she least expects it…. NOM

[obtuse tapir]

Hey guys what are your thoughts on those light sucking plants

Why is everyone getting crazy over a crab

[lone tundra]

Liaa’s message keeps getting deleted

[fallow plinth]

IVY YOU KNOW WHAT AT LEAST YOU BELIEVE IN THE MOTHERCRAB ILL TAKE IT DO YOU WANNA BE THE THIRD MEMBER OF OUR C*LT

[obtuse tapir]

Ohhh i see now

[nimble ingot]

It could be a word you used that triggered the bot.

[lone tundra]

I don’t know who mothercrab is tho, all I know crabs are delicious. And that this chibi will eat her

[fallow plinth]

at least you believe in her!

[lone tundra]

Have you not read my name yet? Lmao

[nimble ingot]

It sadly deletes any 'offending' message without warning or reason.
By 'offending' mind you, I mean words that one may not think would trigger the bot, but does.

Best copy any long message you have to avoid the frustration to retype the whole darn thing each time.

[fallow plinth]

we're gaining members!! soon the mothercrab will take over the world of sky! sky raider would you like to subscribe to the theory of the mothercrab??

[nimble ingot]

Lol, the bobbit has competition now?
(see my username for which side I am on lol)

[lone tundra]

Liaa would say it’s the mothercrab 👀

[fallow plinth]

YOURE ON THE SIDE OF THE MOTHERCRAB BECAUSE THE MOTHERCRAB IS ON THE SIDE OF THE LORE BECAUSE THE MOTHERCRAB IS REAL YES

[obtuse tapir]

Not to complain or anything but where did you guys get the idea of a mothercrab?

[nimble ingot]

The bobbit consumes lore.
It consumes all....

[fallow plinth]

because the mothercrab is real!! she will descend upon sky!! why do you think there are a bunch of tiny baby crabs in sky!! because the mothercrab is the MOTHER OF ALL CRABS!!!!

[lone tundra]

Tell me about bobbit, I will still eat the mothercrab, but I might just switch over

[fallow plinth]

actually one thousand years ago the mothercrab and the krills had a huge war! thats why golden wasteland is so wrecked!! it used to be a thriving city but the war destroyed it!!! and the mothercrab has laid in wait ever since waiting for revenge!!! and soon she will descend upon sky and wreak havoc!!!!!!

[nimble ingot]

propaganda I say /lh

Liaa seems to be the first person to mention this in this channel today (no older mentions that I can see)

[wanton kraken]

I think theire pretty awesome

[fallow plinth]

mothercrab has existed forever idk what youre talking about they're just trying to silence us but we will not be silenced

[wanton kraken]

Bye btw ima go sleep

[nimble ingot]

The bobbit is a joke on this channel for when activity has been quiet for a while.
The joke goes along the lines that the chatty skykids have become victims to bobbits.
Kinda like the worms from the film Tremors.

Both the bobbit and the mother crabs are lorechat joke lore.

[obtuse tapir]

Theres smaller crabs tho...

[fallow plinth]

smaller crabs = imply bigger crabs = imply BIGGEST crab = imply mothercrab ☺️

much logic very sound

[lone tundra]

Oohhh, I usually only come in the server to read every once in a while, but I was quite enjoying the thought of there being a giant crab that I could eat🤭

[obtuse tapir]

Lets just hope the next season is about the mothercrab ||/j||

[fallow plinth]

I HOPE SO TOO!!!

[nimble ingot]

There is a lore tid bit about a king crab.
It is basically a placeholder asset players occasionally find out of bounds (OOB).

[lone tundra]

I love finding random crabs in OOBS, only sad thing is that they’re usually in water, so I can’t cook them 🥹

[fallow plinth]

*mother crab sorry but yes pls continue

[lone tundra]

I believe bobbit had it’s season debut first tho with the current season 👀

[nimble ingot]

lol True!

I believe to have found more 'king crabs' in aviary village. (OOB)
Let me find the screenshot

Found them!

These are a bit small, although there is an older (bigger) one under Dream Village (unless the devs removed it lol)

[hushed steeple]

Henlo does oes anyone have or know who has a compilation of lore up to date? Like a pdf or a video? And if yes can I have a link ?🪼

[rugged stump]

They’re sheep

[lucid bridge]

CRABS

[oblique garnet]

I wasn't here in ages

[brave patio]

https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Amity206/Sky_Lore_Theories

[fallow plinth]

MOTHERCRAB!!!!

[verbal widget]

does anybody know what these circles (planets?) are referring to on the map next to starlight desert? I’ve never noticed them before— I could see them representative of the little prince asteroid area, I just wasn’t expecting that to be referenced on a map and wouldn’t know what else it could be

[edgy kernel]

gotta be the asteroid area, if you rotate that biggest one the thing on it looks like the biplane heh

[verbal widget]

normally I wouldn’t think much of it, but wasn’t the current season hinted at from the deer being hidden in the corner of the map

[verbal widget]

oohhh yeah I see it now— the biplane makes total sense

[edgy kernel]

i'd never seen that before, thats a really subtle thing heh

[verbal widget]

I’m so mesmerized by the map tbh I’m sure they must’ve just added it cause I think I would’ve seen it before otherwise

[edgy kernel]

interesting, looking closer at the two krill by wasteland we see they had shown there to be two sizes, but we didn't see a distinctive different size until this season's intro. if you look closely, the bigger krill has a circle in the espot of their eye, while the smaller one does not, just like the one this season

[verbal widget]

that is so neat. this games map is so cool 😭

[slim mango]

Yep!

[edgy kernel]

one of the corners by the rose for the little prince area also has some jellyfish for jellyfish cove too i see
doesnt get its own map shrine, but its there

I wonder if we'll see more of these smaller krill in future season areas, mechanically they can extinguish your light but wont immediately cause you to drop winged light

I cant believe how long thats been there LOL i love it, and our new small krill friend ( even if their actions caused 4 of my wings to be deleted till next eden run )

[willow shoal]

Little tiny KRILL BABY

[edgy kernel]

Feed them winged light so they can grow big and strong, and hunt by themselves!

[lucid bridge]

Different logos in the Crescent Oasis that aren’t found anywhere else in the kingdom.

Interesting detail - the wounded soldier has a cape and 1 light

[leaden field]

Don't all spirits with capes have one light?

[hushed steeple]

Yes

[nova geyser]

We saw distinctive size differences in Abyss!! (Both in Angler’s story and Ruby nomming us) (I guess debatable if Ruby’s a krill or not ;p <3)

(spoiler for new spirit story ahoy) ||So the princess can just yeet her spirit out of her own body?? And while she was just tootling around without her body she met up with the Deer? And I guess wanted it to stay around? Am I interpreting her story right? XD||

[hidden plume]

||I took it as her having a vivid daydreaming session, or a dream||

[willow shoal]

THIRST for NEW THEORIES

[lucid bridge]

||yeah I thought she was just daydreaming. In the original story the princess is very materialistic and wants the deer for her own, so I think the sky version of her is fantasizing about it.||

[lucid bridge]

I had just never noticed that the soldier had a cape before

[nova geyser]

OHHHH okay that makes much more sense ||That also makes the Hunter’s story make more sense, if she’s materialistic; he’s catching mantas for her weird nature cave that they can’t escape from. ;p||

[nova geyser]

You’ll get to wear it eventually!! It was one of the items on his friendship tree

[severe flare]

||She’s just dreaming! It’s based on how in the original film she goes to sleep and dreams of the deer||

[gusty kernel]

question abt the new spirits !!

we have a king but is the princess his daughter or his wife.....

[naive sun]

in the film, shes a queen instead of a princess and clearly his wife. Im not entirely sure why they changed it for the sky adaption but I still assume thats his wife to match the story. the king was also changed to be a lord instead so I wonder if it's just an overall title change its a tad odd

[edgy kernel]

might be to avoid any confusion with the king in sky lore, which they may be elaborating on soon in two embers, heh

[lucid axle]

Alright guys New season theory time from smone who hasnt watched the film, I'll type the same theory I did on youtube:
The kingdom doesn't seem well off as the state of the people doesn't seem economically booming also the castle is big but not grand with decor seeming lack luster. The spirits are telling a story n my pov is since the kingdom is not doing well the queen has a prophetic dream/vission of the deer n conveys to the king that it may help the kingdoms prosperity, so the king announces a bounty for the deer that is where the shopkeeper n hunter spirit come in I believe the shopkeeper upon seeing the poster for it's bounty will take the help of the hunter n work together for the prize. So far that's what I've got.
Also I have a theory on the identity of the Queen since she had a prophetic dream n has a secret area in the castle for her to meditate n she can seemingly fly and is Hella strong I believe she is a fairy or atleast from the fairy sect from chinese folklore or martial arts sect. The fairy/fairy sect too often are healers n meditate often to achieve prophetic dreams n are strong so I belive the king married a fairy they are also known to be very beautiful so the king really found a QUEEN QUEEN lol.
pic to back mt fairy theory:

[rugged stump]

Fun fact the king was supposed to be in the game as a boss fight

[violet ridge]

I don’t know if this has ever been addressed before, but does anyone wonder why there are no real trees in Sky?

The only trees we can see are the ones in forest which have a color more similar to stone than wood, and they don’t have any leaves. They end in the clouds. And they seem to be the only breed of tree still present/alive?

We do see spirit trees but they don’t seem to be physical as we can just walk through them most of the time.

A lot of areas like the Sanctuary Islands and the Treasure Reef seem very barren and have barely any vegetation in contrast to the good conditions they’d provide …

Clearly we have plants as there’s grass and light blooms, although closer to mushrooms are clearly alive as well, so what happened to the trees?

I’d be interested in hearing you guys come up with a theory because I can’t really explain it.

[dire agate]

That makes sense, actually. It seems like the children of light come from souls being separated from their bodies in Eden, so before there was a huge surplus of be-Eden’d people to save, normally you would only have the one soul.

Meanwhile, we’re running around with two hundred

[fading ginkgo]

I feel like the trees in forest are grey for stylistic purposes

[dire agate]

I actually think there is no organic life left in the realms.
The grass is oddly uniform and reacts to the presence of light like other light creatures do.

[violet ridge]

Could also be that they are fossilised stumps but I’d still have no idea how that happened …

[native galleon]

I think it’s mostly a function related thing, having a lot of realistic tree models with detailed branches and leaves can be hard to render which can make the game slower and/or take up more space

Probably why the trees in forest are just columns and you don’t see the tops of them

[nimble ingot]

agreed

[cold sparrow]

it's certainly a mix of aesthetic shape language, world building, and technical limitations
there were some explorations for alternative tree shapes and how they would feel
and the harsh pillar-like trees that ended up in forest are definitely by design:

by now, the game can definitely manage more lush tree designs, as proven by the Days of Bloom trees we can see
I also remember there was a lot of excitement about the first glimpses of green leaves on trees in the first Project Aviary teaser - something that obviously got scrapped by now. for what reason, we don't know

[native galleon]

oh yea, i know they’re by design, not saying technical limitations are the only reason

[nimble ingot]

It is interesting and nice seeing more detailed trees in the red desert for the new season.

reminds me a lot of the dead camel thorn trees like in this image.

[nimble ingot]

Just doing a basic observation here.
This is very interesting.

Like most collab seasons, the lore from both halves are combined.
I know folks may either cherry pick the season for sky related lore, disregard the season as non-canon based on it being a collab, or do comparisons to investigate which parts would be from which lore.
It is still interesting how TGC would work parts of the collab's lore into Sky.
Parts of these crossovers may be easter eggs, while others could give more clues on what the ancestors were like.

TGC did state a collab would likely include ideas that inspired Sky, which in turn helps guide the lore.

In this case with the nine colored deer. I found this detail from a painting in the Mogao cave called "Deer King Jataka" interesting.

I'll have to read more up on the nine colored deer story to better identify them in the season.
Though, this is starting to get fun.

[limber pike]

do sky kids get sick

[sinful anvil]

in an animated film of nine coloured deer there’s a man it saved that turned against it for the bounty so… is this quest gonna have a traitor?
funny thing is skykid is saved by the deer

[severe flare]

yes, the promotion material has mentioned a traitor, and the herb gatherer spirit is based on the traitor from the film so it’ll probably be him if it follows the film’s plot

[sinful anvil]

well. i'll see what unfolds!

[sinful anvil]

this leads me to wonder is there an equivalent of common cold or flu in sky
maybe sniffing some dark plants produces illnesses, or some dark-tainted fungi can cause fungus-related diseases

[light minnow]

Not sure if they can get sick
But, they can sneeze and shiver and stuff

[clear inlet]

but those are learned emotes? So we don't know if they occur naturally

[nova totem]

How would seasons impact a lore-accurate sky child’s life? Would they go through/complete the seasons in the realms as they progressed, or come back at the end? And is home an actual place for skids? Or for transport purposes only?

Trying to make a full backstory for my Oc

[thick jacinth]

So i just noticed, does princess spirit betrothed with hunter spirit?? Does it actually happened on the original movie?

They look like they're having a wed when I relive princess spirit

[naive sun]

In the film, the princess is a queen and married to the king, who is a lord in the sky adaptation. im assuming they’re still married, just title changes because theres already a king in sky lore

there also isnt just one hunter in the film, but an army. the hunter spirit is just based on them and not a singular character

[leaden field]

Ah I'm sorry if I came off as rude!

[edgy kernel]

I had asked before about if the spirits having winged light, and was told something about it being a bug originally from like... days of color way long ago

or just kinda had it written off as like, a game mechanic basically, since the spirits are npcs and to give them a cape it requires a winged light

It sorta feels like an odd small detail to leave in though, for whatever reason.

[lucid bridge]

It’s fine lol

[compact raptor]

I was wondering about that too! Since if spirits have winged light it doesn’t make much sense for them to be- well- spirits I suppose?

[lucid bridge]

I have a theory that spirits with multiple winged lights got theirs as gifts from the King. I don’t really have much to back that up; it’s just a headcanon. It relates to my headcanon that winged lights are afterimages of the Prince/King’s presence throughout Sky. Again, I don’t have much to back up this theory, either. I just like it.

I also believe that spirits got capes as recognition of some sort of achievement, or maybe they just bought them if they had enough money. Most spirits with capes only have 1 light. The only spirits I can think of with multiple lights is the Sanctuary guide and the Grandma.

The Sanctuary Guide makes sense as they would need all those lights to fly to such a remote place. Perhaps their connection to the light creatures of the archipelago is related to how they got their lights. As for Grandma, I don’t have a clue as to how she got that many.

[limber pike]

that's what i figured. what are children if not little germ spreaders?

[edgy kernel]

oh, i didnt even notice those two had multiple wings, huh

[obtuse tapir]

They have multiple wings?! How come I didn't notice that?

[worn smelt]

I know that the spirits can! It’s shown several times. But skykids? I have no idea

[fallow plinth]

MOTHERCRAB APPEARANCE CONFIRMED???

[clear inlet]

WHAT???

[fallow plinth]

HAVE YOU HEARD OF THE MOTHERCRAB

[clear inlet]

I have not. Sounds interesting though

[fallow plinth]

it's very interesting! the mothercrab is the MOTHER OF ALL CRABS!!!!!!!

[dire parcel]

There's a carb buried beneath grandmas tree

[rugged stump]

There’s a lot of things buried in the game

[edgy kernel]

grandma's hidin the carbs from us, doesnt want us to have sugar...

[hushed steeple]

The crabs have sugar? Gimme!

[edgy kernel]

had to grab an image of grandma's cape, heh. shes not charged but has room for 5 it looks like, heh

[light minnow]

Plot twist : she has 12 and just spent them all

[slim heart]

If their after images, then the amount of winged light in there capes might represent the impact the spirit had(and still has) on the children . If it a strong impact, like Gramma who interacts with the children through feeding them buns every 2 then the after images memory's are highly-yea know- remembered
(I hope that made sense)

[white merlin]

Alright just stepping back into the lore for this game

Does anyone have like, a comprehensive catch up, im from the era in which the Megabird isnt canon and power diamonds are the cause of the Eden disaster along with the Eden King.

[lucid bridge]

Megabird is still canon. She appears in constellation form at the end and is also spotted in the water mural in the Vault. You could argue that the water mural isn’t canon because it’s connected to the ||office|| but she is pretty prominently featured in the credits.

As for a comprehensive lore catch up, here’s one written by a fan:

https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Amity206/Sky_Lore_Theories

I wish they still had the Megabird statues that teleported you home. I keep their memory in my brain. They’re like video game archeology.

[marsh bridge]

anyone know what the tiny eden mountain is supposed to be

[cold sparrow]

a bug

[tawdry copper]

The "meow", I can't😭

[glass sedge]

Idk how to start this but sky children cosmetics and hairs are just light manifestations because when we lose our light we just turn bald lol

[tawdry copper]

I personally don't think that's entirely true, the only reason we lose our cosmetics when we're extinguished (and why others don't appear to have theirs until we light them) is for gameplay optimization reasons. In the lore, I headcanon that Skykids just go dark when they're extinguished, they don't lose their cosmetics. That's just a headcanon, though, can neither confirm nor deny

[glass sedge]

Yeah I forgot to say that's my headcanon

[lucid bridge]

I agree that sky kids’ cosmetics are just manifestations of light, lore-wise. Our capes and hairs also have no shadow.

[subtle wave]

What if our cosmetics either poof or just fall off of our Skid when we get extinguished /j
||Why can I imagine my Skid's hair just slipping off and the cape just melting. I don't know whether I should be concerned or impressed on how I though of this lmao||

[limber pike]

is there a lore reason behind the facial markings on different characters or is it just aesthetic

[white merlin]

Okay new question: what and why are spirits? They’re clearly dead but we can see them running villages and interacting with the physical world? Why? They’re dead people why are they operating a functional society

[hushed steeple]

Well thats the Aviary for you 😅

Comman spirits are mearly echoes of the past, the faint flame of deceased souls that had managed to persevear and not fade away. Feeding that whisp with our own flame alowes it to come alive, if only for breaf moments.
However, many spirits (especially the season spirits), have a much stronger conection and presence in this world, the flame of there souls still being strong after all these centuries, and as such (with the help of skykids), are able to boath interact with us and effect the part of the world they are strongly conected to
Its really all about the vitality of the spirit and how strongly they are conected to any location that determines how much they can manifest and inerect in said place

Now there is deffinetly some mistery as to who the Stewerd really is (yes I know many people think his one of the "two embers", but we dont actually know the backstory of said ember), or what the hystory of the Aviary was, but whatever it might be, it allowed the spirits to manifest so strongly in Aviary, that there practcly alive😅

[hushed steeple]

Im kinda half and half on the question of "cosmetics, real or light constructs" though I supose Im more on the side of @tawdry copper

Though its also posible that the answer could be something in between.
Light in this world has the power to effect and shape mater itself. Its shown in the concept art that when the souls of sky kids falls to the ground, we spend some time "materialiseng" a body around our light soul while we sleep, and then wake up after were fully formed.
So stuff like cosmetics could work the same way, with us useing light energy to form the capes, hair....that we have

Its still a "light construct" in a loose, sence, but the actual cosmetic is still a phisical object

[trail galleon]

Nice!

I knew this was was a collab season

[compact shale]

We know there's a lore reason behind animal masks. They represent professions! All we know is that the bird masks are for performers, and nothing much other than that...

As for facial markings, other than the fact some of them represent scars or other injuries, we don't know what the markings themselves mean.

However... it's said that markings might indicate families! Which is usually the proof people have for Scaredy Cadet and Crab Whisperer being related.

[polar ermine]

do you think the eden elder wears heels under his robe, i feel like it would do that

[polar ermine]

he wears these 100%

[hushed steeple]

Thats not ad far fetched as some people might think, considering.....😏

Kings wearing high heals was kinda the norm for a while😅

[polar ermine]

omg he would rock mules (im a fashion historian so yes)

[hushed steeple]

Mules?🤨
Let me google that🤔

[hushed steeple]

Is this is?

[polar ermine]

the shoe shape was called mules these

[polar ermine]

these are modern (i meant the 18th* century varient)

[hushed steeple]

Aaa, I see
When I try to google, it mostly give me donkey's😂

Yes I can deffinty see him wearing sky mules
( you think they might be more like sandles though 🤔)

Like Im shure I've seen something like these, but its more open foot ( if that makes any sence😅)
Like anchant greek sandles with elevation🤔

[polar ermine]

lol hm maybe he would wear these manchu region platform heels from around the Qing dynasty? though these werent worn by men

corthornus are also a good idea

[hushed steeple]

Oh I can see these makeing much more sence given sky fashion😍

[polar ermine]

anything goes lol, besides its not like we'd ever see whats under the robe

[hushed steeple]

Of course.
As I said before with his hight😂

[polar ermine]

lol, he cant be that tall without some assistance, maybe he wears stilts

[hushed steeple]

Well of course.
Imagine these, but 10 times his body lengh🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[polar ermine]

these will surely be long enough lol

oo or these

[hushed steeple]

He probably started out with that, but as time passed he went:
Prince : No, its not enough, I need to get begger.
Prince: Bigger
King: BIGGER!!!

[polar ermine]

hes just like any sky kid who uses the big potion, respect

[hushed steeple]

When your 10 times your original hight and still takeing more, its time to admit you have a problem🤣🤣🤣

[polar ermine]

the resize potion has all done us dirty before lol

[nimble ingot]

Found a dark secret in Sky lore.
For those who may not know, That Sky Game has a regionalised version in China hosted by a company called Netease.
The Netease version of sky runs pretty much the same game as the international verison, however it has a few key differences.
Where players on there have exclusive events and some cosmetics.

I found out recently they have an event on there where they are supposedly collaborating with KFC.
No joke. 💀

I would like to present this theory as likely canon in sky (partly as a joke, but also as satire)
The reason why we do not have bigger birds in Sky (not to mention the Elder Bird / Rhythm Bird) is because Netease has cooked them all.
= 🍗

Ey.
The damage has been done.

The birds have been turned into KFC. 😦

[ocean saddle]

it reminds me of something else...

there's another game that once had a kfc collab in 2021

[nimble ingot]

Which game?
Mario kart?

[merry plover]

does anyone here know a place where i can get caught up on the official lore

[nimble ingot]

There are some document links in the pinned messages.
As well as this guide by an older user here called Baudshaw:
#lore-discussion-spoilers message
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[merry plover]

oki thank you

[twilit sky]

Question, I tried looking through the pins first but couldn’t find anything (may have been not looking properlyj but is there names for the elders? If so what are they?

[nimble ingot]

ah yes.
There are names folks call the elders because they were found in old concept art for the game Light Awaits as placeholders.
They are not canon, though people may still use them at times in place of "elder of X" or "X elder"

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

Samekh (Valley elder) was at the time of the development based on the concept art a single elder (also considered to be a Priestess)
However, this idea changed not long after to be twins instead.
Which plays into the competitive nature of the realm very well.

The Twin theme in Valley extends to a lot of things aside from just the elders.

• The races (flying and sliding)
• A few pairs of spirits (ex. bowing medalist and backflipping champion have similar body types and puffy hair styles)
• A pair of season guide spirits (rhythm and performance, who are considered to be twins)
• And last, but actually just a joke. The double eden bug in hermit valley

[twilit sky]

Hehe well thank you :D

[hushed steeple]

Quite true
The names of the elders is a very very old conpect, as it already existed for a long time before the valley elder become tweened

The concept of what would eventualy become the elders themselfs went through soooo many changes over time

TETH ( Forest Elder)

[steel wigeon]

lore channel is the Deer season a vault map season or not (bc of the hall)

because the terrain reminds me of what I imagine a pre-corruption GW would be like at best from all the maps
And yet

[nimble ingot]

I would say it is based in Vault, yes.

Because TGC seems to like combining collabs as side stories, as far as the sky lore is concerned, in the Vault of Knowledge. Which could be the Sky equivalent to an archive or library.

The Little Prince was originally the only collab based in Vault, until season of the nine coloured Deer was added. The Aurora concert was connected to the Vault as well to enforce that trend.

I do wonder if there may be other collabs TGC would have in mind for the future. New seasons or events they can fill the hall with.
That is roughly what they mentioned in the interview with the Aurora encore concert and world record event. That they may do more collabs in the future.

[nimble ingot]

From what we could gather from the concept art (as well as according to the Wiki/old facebook posts), the elders did go through several iterations.
From animalistic guardians reminiscent to the Shadow of Colossus massive ancient stone guardians, to human like ancestors, to something like a humanoid alien form and the appearance we have of them now. Which is ancestor like, although for some their bodies are more stylised with certain proportions being exaggerated.
Some prominent examples would be Ayin (Day Elder)'s plump body, Tsadi (Wasteland Elder)'s super hero-esque muscular body, as well as Daleph (Dawn Elder)'s lanky body.

I very much would recommend having a read through of the 7 days of Sky series for more concept and history of elders during development.

All of that said though.
The actual lore for the elders in the game has been lacking seeing how much the lore for the ancestors have expanded. Seeing they have been the main focus in several seasons (more so in recent seasons from a personal observation).

[tender ember]

The final elder scene is in the shard today and i cant find Wasteland there, are they even around?

[tawdry copper]

All of the Elders should be there, try deep honking to see if you can see their sihlouette

[hushed steeple]

Dude, where do you think I got most of the concept art from my TETH evolution vidoe😅

[nimble ingot]

lol fair point

[hushed steeple]

Dont talk to be about 7 days of sky sunny boy. I've stydied every angle and scrible on those papirs🤣

[nimble ingot]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

Wasteland elder is roughly between dawn and Day elders.

[hushed steeple]

I've actually made an elder evolution video for all 6 of the elders
But since nobudy has made one coment on my Teth vidoe, you can say bye bye to that😋

[nimble ingot]

lol aww.
Would you share it somewhere else?
i.e. youtube, instagram etc.?

[hushed steeple]

Nope, you aint gettig it

[hushed steeple]

Jk, I can share all of them here
But you better aknowlige and apreciate it, or Im deleating all of them😋

[nimble ingot]

of course lol

[hushed steeple]

ISLE OF DOWN ( DALETH)

DAYLIGHT PRIERY ( AYIN)

HIDDEN FOREST (TETH)

VALLEY OF TRIUMPH (SAMEKH)

GOLDEN WAISTLAND (TSADI)

VOULT OF KNOWLIGE (LAMED)

[nimble ingot]

Nicely done turning them into videos.

Any for the King, elder of Eden?
Or nah seeing they are missing in the game?

[hushed steeple]

Unfortunatly Im out of town now, and my Aleth/Resh pick are at home😅

[hushed steeple]

Even then, I dont have enough picks of him to make a proper evolution vidoe.

The problem is that different concept art show him at different phases of his life ( prince-king-corupted), its not really the same character in different periods of development 😅

[nimble ingot]

fair

[hushed steeple]

I am wondering if you happen to know of more concept art outside of 7 days and Tom Zhao that features some anchant concepts of the elders?🤔

[nimble ingot]

Not much really, some from light awaits game play.

[hushed steeple]

Yeah, I alredy cheched there. No help😅

Im mostly looking for the early stuff. Valley and Voult in particular as a lot of major gaps in there evolution

[hushed steeple]

There's also these 3 animal guardians that I cant really conect with the Eldrers😅

[nimble ingot]

They could have been one of the elders at some point, or a different elder.

The tricky thing about concept art is these are pieces of the Dev's process for making the game.
It is not always clear where a concept has been heading for, not even with reverse engineering them.

In a sense, the elders we know today did not exist yet for these drawings. Therefore making comparing these characters to ones that came afterwards dont always line up.

[hushed steeple]

Oh Im well aware of that☺️
Thats why haveing more samples for comparison is so vital.

[hushed steeple]

Its natural that this isnt a linear process, and that some ideas end up as dead ends for a long wile, only to have other aspects of it used later on for something else

[chrome vault]

||joke post bc friend gave me the idea||
Anxious Angler fishes baby krills. My theory is that they get those to Grandma, and then we eat em, thus closing the cycle.

Think about it. When krills krill us, we lose light. Then they lay eggs that turn into baby krills that we fish, and then eat through grandma, who processes that light we lost and turns it into wax.

|| @hushed steeple ||

[merry plover]

random thing. so i just went through the season of abyss again with my alt, and it feels like you are meant to be reliving the story of the abyss guide. mostly just the way you interact with the others, and how in all the cutscenes with the other crew members shes just kinda hanging back behind you and not really interacting with anyone but you. if this is true, and you are reliving her story, that would mean she somehow had the power to free everything was inside of the massive beast in the 5th quest by melting the darkness inside of it. if im not mistaken, that's not something any other spirit has been able to do, only the player.
Grant it though, this whole idea relies on the thought that you are living through her memories for the quests.
i would also like to point out that she for some reason was at the aviary celebration, even tho she was never in anything to do with the aviary. she was the only guide who wasn't part of the aviary rebuild quest line that was there.
all im really saying is that i feel like there's something fishy going on with the abyss guide.

[edgy kernel]

Its really kinda hard sometimes to tell sometimes, what is in current times and what is a memory of the past. the spirits themselves are each kinda memories of the past in their own way, but they walk around and can directly interact with us and even objects in the present, or atleast see them.

I saw somethin like this with the flight guide as well, with two very specific notes when they were revealed -
"Former apprentice of Daylight Prairie Elder" Implies very clearly to me that they were someone who lived in a past time period, before the shattering.

and then we get to this other note
"Guided the spirit group to the Islands"
Thats where it gets confusing to me a bit. In present times, flight guide took the spirits there so that we could all repair and rebuild the flight paths. But each of the spirits is there, crystallized in darkness, as if they were crystallized there, a long time ago?
We relive their memories, but are these memories of a far away past where the spirits once lived and built the flight paths but had to move away, or are they extremely recent memories of them trying to work on things? the question is, if the guide actually guided the group of spirits there, what time did the memories come from, and where did the group even originate from. ( prairie? )

As for abyss guide, their notes mention that they are a deckhand, so i might assume they atleast spend a lot of their time on the boat. we also see them in the Bumbling Boatswain memory, so they definitely were a part of the crew but as for how much they did we cant exactly tell.
What i also wonder about abyss in general is when it takes place exactly, because everything we're seeing with them collecting the pieces of darkstone out of the waters is either something we're doing in the present ( the darkstone doesn't seem to be a memory, we're taking it out of machines that permanently turn off ) or with them being spirits, its still very possible its a memory of the past and we're possibly re-living what they did a long time ago, before even the shattering
I'm stuck between those two LOL

[polar ermine]

krill fried chicken

[nimble ingot]

TGC take notes please.
We more lore - I mean - DATA !

[edgy kernel]

i had to go look up those cosmetics and collab and i only saw a couple images and its absolutely hilarious to me but also i could go for some Krill Fried Chicken right now

[wicked sphinx]

i just said something similar in wishlist and ideas but after lurking in this channel for awhile i really wish that tgc would produce official sky comics where we can learn about the world and lore through perhaps the perspectives of different spirits

[merry plover]

aint there a animated series or something along those lines in the works?

[wicked sphinx]

yea but I think tht after that it could be a good idea to continue dropping lore and cool stories in a way tht isn’t as complicated to produce. like the dragon age comics

like i think they could pair well together rather than being one thing or the other or just the animation, if tht makes sense

[crystal perch]

Can somebody simply exsplain the lore of sky to me pleas

[craggy vault]

can anyone explain to me why I hear a heartbeat every time I play sky with my headphones connected

[light minnow]

Iirc that's a sound that plays when holding hands with other players and such

[leaden field]

That's so sweet!!

[merry plover]

so apparently skateboarding's a thing cause one of the hints for the lively navigator is "came up wit a new kickflip trick, and then named it after themselves". kinda funny.

[lucid bridge]

Source or joke?

[hushed steeple]

Lore chat, ik this isn't lore related but why did they change the bonfire in G.W.?

I saw an old video where the crabs get um stabbed in a stick while getting grilled on the campfire and now their in a pot

[cold sparrow]

funny, yes, but TS hints are not to be considered canon lore

[cold sparrow]

I recall from some old patch logs that they didn't want the crabs look like they're being roasted as food

[hushed steeple]

I kinda like the old one tbh but fair ig

[edgy kernel]

huh, i had never spoted this fella ingame before. probably the closest to the winged creature in abyss murals, heh

[hushed steeple]

Wait is it the one in sanctuary??

[edgy kernel]

yeah that fella is over in sanctuary, i spotted em today

[lucid bridge]

I remember that. I think I’m old in Sky terms. I came in mid-Prophecy.

[plush cave]

Hi Lorechat, we come with gifts

Here are some of Adam Willis’ (visdev artist at TGC) collections of concept art from Sky.

Included in Adam’s portfolio: concept art of the Season of Shattering , Aurora , Remembrance , Passage , Moments , and Revival .

https://adamwillis.com/new-page-2

Enjoy the food

[edgy kernel]

OOOH

[brave patio]

WHOA?????

[bitter topaz]

the aurora concepts especially... delicious

[cold sparrow]

Delicious, thank you so much 🙏 Is or can this be added to the pins?

[brave patio]

THIS IS SO SO UNFAIR, I WANT ALL OF THIS TO HAVE BEEN REAL

[edgy kernel]

woah theres some crazy stuff goin on with that manta for aurora

[brave patio]

Okay but the Aurora concert trees… the way shards in different realms looked different… TGC I love what you’ve done but can you please add some of these concepts back 👀👀

[lucid bridge]

There are always limitations in software unfortunately 😔

I like the concept of “Carrier of the Flame” (or smth like that). If Passage takes place in the Fire era, then preserving fire would be extremely important.

[edgy kernel]

The concepts for a group task in shattering are pretty interesting, seems they revisited stuff like that in passage hehehe

[lucid bridge]

I like the Aurora concept trees more than the in game ones. The in game ones are pretty bare if the concert isn’t going on.

The temporarily wounded Sky kids is a funny idea

[edgy kernel]

related to that i'd love to have a burnt cape and wear that around

[junior narwhal]

totally normal about the Shattering concepts

[lucid bridge]

The concept art clears something up for me - it appears the blue things falling in “The Seed” part of the Aurora concert are dark stone shards from the Eden shattering. So that means they were fighting each other when suddenly the apocalypse starts. Perhaps that is when the krill emerged on the battlefield.

[native galleon]

there was crazy stuff going on with the mantas in the final version too

[lucid bridge]

Reminds me of the dead snow sparrow in front of the citadel.

[edgy kernel]

reminds me i still need to see the actual concert for myself LOL
them wrangling the mantas there with ropes like, its less like they used them as horses but more as like bull riding which is crazy

mantas clearly are not a fan of it

[native galleon]

I think it's Something Else

[lucid bridge]

Like horse rodeos! Using horses for riding and burden and also harming them so they go buck wild and you try to hold on for as long as possible

I don’t like the implication that those golden spiny things are for training for manta rodeos. But since it’s concept art and technically not canon…

[severe flare]

omg so many of these have stuff that’s so much cooler than what we got in game but such is always the way with concept art…

the early concepts for prairie peaks are especially crazy and cool

[edgy kernel]

i liked the device that looked like a manta simulator

[edgy kernel]

those look crazy, almost like it would be an entrance to the place or something

[lucid bridge]

I’m just going to incorporate the concept prairie art into how I think the peaks look like outside of the cloud wall

[south saddle]

i am very fond of this little fellow. not sure what’s going on with the stuff on its back but. very rad

[inland cliff]

Everyday the concept arts gets closer to fully convince me that sky should've been a 2d game

[lucid bridge]

Switch secret area

[lucid bridge]

Crab mouth? Crab fangs? Makes sense. Crab’s gotta eat.

[inland cliff]

The crab has taste

Honestly would be a cool idea to have crabs finding the best rock they could find to just carry them around or to attract mates

[south saddle]

yyeeees crab lore crab lore crab lore I want to see their personalities I wanna see them do silly little things I want to hug a crab

[inland cliff]

My question is will it bite ?

[south saddle]

maybe it will but I’m willing to take that chance to cuddle with a crab

[inland cliff]

Crabs woke up one day and just choose chaos

[south saddle]

yes

[rugged stump]

Or just made by a different company

[languid estuary]

I can't be the only one confused as to where the eden elder came from ~I mean it's not in the game and stuff~

Please. I need answers.

[pallid jetty]

the eden elder is from the various concept art and symbols found around the game, in the shape of a diamond/star, they are also usually called the king

also i was looking at the adam willis concept art and look how menacing this pic is

[young lance]

has anyone ever ripped the models from the game? is that even possible?
I've been really wanting some full views of the giant creatures in Sky. Mosty the ones that are really far away or the ones that are in unclear atmospheres (the abyss)

Or maybe Ill just look through the concept art. that seems better, whats the concept art website?

[young lance]

Oh man, What's this? The figures sure are haunting haha. It feels like someone just pressed CTRL C + CTRL Z over and over XD

[pallid jetty]

its concept from here https://adamwillis.com/new-page-2

[inland cliff]

It is possible to ask some hackers for a 180° view but i don't think any1 would... So ig just wait till sky releases on PC then all the assets, sprites will be out for the public eyes

[young lance]

Yeah you are right. Guess I'll rely on screenshots for now

[hushed steeple]

Wow, where did you get this
Wait, never mind, foubd it😅

[pallid jetty]

while im here ill also plug how much life the remembrance concept art breathes into the lives of the ancestors 🥲

[hushed steeple]

I know right
It really sad to see how many fascinating ideas TGS had been considering that they just couldent fully realise becouse of time and finace/programing constrictions😭😭😭

But it is to be expected honestly😅

At least its good that we have this concept art to expand the scope of the story☺️

[tacit shadow]

Hello! Sorry to interrupt the topic but i was just curious if there are any content creators that make lore videos. Or maybe some google docs people shared, where one big coherent theory/story is written?
i know some basic lore and have some headcanons of my own but i would love to dive deeper, but just don't know where to start with the overwhelming amount of content and concept art and the like.

[pallid jetty]

concept art are just like that unfortunately
the artists creates magnificent concepts for something, then later it is compacted into a more palatable chunk for the the development team to implement
its just too huge and requires so many new assets from just a small time scope
but indeed that's why its there, so we can see the original intentions from the artist's perspective and understand why it is what it is today

[hushed steeple]

Quite true😅

[light minnow]

I just finished looking through the new concept arts
So much pretty stuff
Personally i am particularly in love with the like
Tower city at the beginning of the passage concepts

Also the creb with a crystal silly head on its back caught me off guard

[hushed steeple]

Tower city?🤨

[light minnow]

This place

I just have a weakness for designs like these
I also really loved the moments area concepts for that reason
I love having like, tall vertical structures with either flying between them, or webs of bridges allowing free travel between the many doors it has

[hushed steeple]

Aaaaa, I see☺️
That place does remind me a lot like bird nest
Wonder what the story behind that is

[pallid jetty]

that one also caught my eye.... group meditation sessions

[hushed steeple]

You mean this one?

[pallid jetty]

both seems so to me, including the one in bird's nest

[hushed steeple]

Quite true.
It feel like they originally planed to have one of the Daylight mossions in birds nest, but moved it to the filds at the start😅

[pallid jetty]

i do not know of any lore content creators but there is plenty of lore related content pinned right here in this channel
or if you curious on what people think of something, just search keywords such as "king" in the same channel right here

[hushed steeple]

Personally I really wished they keep this. It wouldent have take all that much new assets, and it would have given ISLE so much more life. So many people think that place is so borring as it is😅

[pallid jetty]

they want isle to stay boring imo...

once in a while i visit the festival tech areas, to be honest im surprised there is other people cause i rarely go to those places

[hushed steeple]

Festival tech?
Wheres that?

[pallid jetty]

festival tech areas are those huge servers where you can see more than 8 skykids

examples are aurora coliseum, passage guide and the passage quests areas

[hushed steeple]

Oh yeah😅
Obviacely

Also, just had a thought
You think this might have been the other side of ISLE OF DOWN ( like the side over the mountain and Isle temple thats faceing the sea and PRIERY)🤔

Like maby originly they wanted to make a new area for the season, but changed it to what we got🤔

( just thinking out loud 😅)

[pallid jetty]

could be, prairie has an abundance of floating islands, so it indeed could have been between cloudy isle and prairie

[hushed steeple]

My thought exactly☺️

[pallid jetty]

but honestly the area seems out of place completely from all the other passage concept arts, you could have told me its concept art for season of flight and i would believe it

[hushed steeple]

Makes sence☺️

This is why I said it might have been a new area before they changed it to where it is.
Its possible this concept was very old, before they come up with most of the other stuff for that season

It was one of only two black and grey concept art.
The other one looked quite different as well

[light minnow]

i love the concept art passage masks too

[hushed steeple]

By the looks of it, they had a couple of different animals planed for boath the guide and the 4 spirits......the everybody seamed to agree on the racoon from the start🤣

[light minnow]

Makes me wonder if one day some of those ideas could come back in another form
Of course adapted to a new context, but still
Looking forward to future seasons to see if any unused ideas find a home later

The idea of ghost like masks that are only lines is one i really love

[hushed steeple]

YOU
EXPLAIN THIS
NOW

This looks freaking awsome and I must know the what/where/why behind it

[hushed steeple]

Reason why the raccoon mask is superior

No one gonna talk about how Aurora's concept art?? Like

[hushed steeple]

Sorry, there's just so much stuff to go through😅
Wanted to funish one season before moveing to the next😅

Iss okie xD don't blame ya with the sudden scratched art lore we got

[hushed steeple]

But yes, that concept art looks SOOO AWSOME

It really gives new perspectice on aurora's wing, seing as originally she would have emerged like a butterfly from a cacoon😅

I wish they included that tbh would be so cool

It aslo possibly inply that aurora was origibaly a mortal being before transending, rather then an aspect of The Light as I had theorised🤔

She was a moth before the mega bird chose her to be a celestial being, maybe?

The cocoon is her moth self before she free to her new self

[hushed steeple]

Possibly😂
More like ancester then "moth", but I think you might have something there

Oh yeah, I forgot about that xD

[hushed steeple]

Oh, I would say thats not only a possibility, its preaty much expected at this point🤣

TGS might often fail to realise all there over ambitions visions, but they are good at recycling old ideas down the line.

For instance....the floating masks we see in passage season.
Long ago in early Sky Awaits, awakening spirits involved careing a floating mask containing light towards the body of the spirits.
They changed this, but the concept of leading masks got reworked in rememerence season😅

Im shure that what you mentioned will get usead one way or another in the far future😅

[inland cliff]

I'll just rewrite abit-

Aurora was in a cocoon state where for thousands of years she evolved constantly till this day, the concert where she greeted the new generation of lights and while her vessel was kept, her spiritual form now's equivalent to a god

[pastel brook]

this is why we live like heathens, stealing from the trees of Eye of Eden

[hushed steeple]

Thats more like it☺️

It is possible that The Light ( Megabird) might somehow be involved in this. Like after her death, she was chosen for this role.

If thats true ( and Im not saying it has to be, just thinking out loud😅) than that would make Aurora a deciple of The Light, or possibly a trancendent sage, rather then an avatar, aspect, prophet, or folower of The Light as it had been theorised before🤔

[inland cliff]

Thz for sticking with my long writing

The Light def has smthing to do with her but there just isn't enough evidence yet, so i can't tell

Although i never think she died, in the concert she returned in the flesh, with a spiritual form

[hushed steeple]

Thats ok. I write a lot too, and I wish more people had the patiance to follow😅

And yes, I do agree there's little evidence for that. Thats why I made the disclamer about me thinking out loud😅

[native galleon]

Her first album cover has her wrapped up in a cocoon-like dress that looks similar to this, with butterfly wings. I think it’s just a reference to that, incorporating that imagery and combining it with the dark shells that spirits are trapped in. It’s not necessarily about What She Is

but I am also of the belief that her presence in Sky is more of a fourth wall break than anything else, so

[inland cliff]

She stands between the line of canon and uncanon

[slow sigil]

omggg where’d you find that art

[hushed steeple]

@slow sigil From here check the Aurora one! Sorry for replying late

[slow sigil]

oooooohh! hey, no prob, tysm!

[sly portal]

https://twitter.com/iXZhihuiLi/status/1630125947570606083 theres the link of the art (im english is bad i know)

[lucid bridge]

It looks like that idea was incorporated into the in-game elder ultimate gifts. Cool ideas tho. I would love more elder cosmetics.

[severe flare]

This looks like it’s likely fanart, not official?

[sinful edge]

it was posted in the completed art chat earlier today, so yeah its fanart

[edgy kernel]

those prices are absolutely terrifying but i love it LOL

[brave patio]

https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Amity206/Sky_Lore_Theories

Here you go!!

[hushed steeple]

the elders didn't juju on that beat

[light minnow]

This is really good fanart but dear lord i do not have a word to express how ludicrous these prices are

[left onyx]

Anyone know where I can read up on lore and how past events tie into it? I’m a new player and I feel so lost when going around in the world.

[hushed steeple]

good luck, the lore is basically what would happen if you crossed the fnaf lore with the lyrics of your average Iron Maiden song

[left onyx]

That’s fun

[severe flare]

You can read the blog linked three messages above yours

[hoary ingot]

Does anyone know if this current season is linked to the actual game lore at all? I saw some familiar faces from the In-Game/Regular lore while completing a spirit quest.

[hushed steeple]

are you refering to the GW soldier looking characters?

[hoary ingot]

Yes, as well some other spirits

[pallid jetty]

i see it as the collaboration's story is adapted into sky's universe, just like the little prince and aurora
the deer is now a light creature and the king is now the feudal lord instead, along with the queen being the princess
the architecture is also similar to the rest of the kingdom, so no surprise they employ similar looking soldiers, i see it as the area is vassalized by the actual sky kingdom, but not under their direct control

[brave patio]

I feel like the area existed alongside the Sky Kingdom but idk

[hoary ingot]

I just read that the kid in the series trailer could possibly be Hopeful Steward and that makes so much sense 😭

[hushed steeple]

Y'all y'all y'all the abyss monster is still alive, thanks to Pema's video and I want to see it

#screenshots-and-videos message

[hushed steeple]

Oh and Thalassophobia warning!

[south saddle]

I saw thousands of ac and had a heart palpitations I swear.. the idea is cool but the prices are not

[edgy kernel]

its been months for me to get 250, 10,000 would actually end me LOL

[lucid bridge]

10,000 would take like 85 weeks

[edgy kernel]

that is a bit over 7 years, sky isn't even that old yet LOL

[light minnow]

way more than 85
Assuming you make, say, 25 a week on average from eden + shards (gonna overestimate for the sake of proving a point)
That would get you only 2550

[languid estuary]

PEOPLE I have a theory
Ok, so do you remember this kinda unimportant spirit from Assembly???
Now look at Revival guide
Aren't those hair, proportions and sandals kinda similar?
We were wondering why that dude was a child! He was a scout and then left the group to explore on his own!! ( I'm not sure if this is cannon at all but still)

[light minnow]

The hair looks like it covers their face way more on the right to me

Also that would imply that they managed to change masks, can spirits do that?
Like geniune question, are spirits able to change clothes?

[lucid bridge]

Who are these spirits in blue?

[hushed steeple]

Anyone has concept art for season of abyss? A link of it- if that's okay

[royal delta]

i was about to ask that aswell lol

[hushed steeple]

I love to know more art about lord fishy fish

[edgy kernel]

well i suppose enchantment guide changed their name to "Enchanted Pyrotechnician" and put on the fireworks earrings, and grandma does put on the scarf every days of feast, heh. so guides maybe can change clothes, atleast?

[royal delta]

@hushed steeple found it! https://www.thatskygame.com/news/the-art-behind-season-of-abyss

[hushed steeple]

Thank you!!

[hushed steeple]

Those are generic spirits
You see a lot of them in the memories of spirits that you awaken, numerous ancesters that made up the background of a memory.
I dont know if there is any particular lore reason why these are still blue in aviary while the lit spirits are yellow, but I think its more a design thing, or like how backgrounf characters in an anime have less defined features or faces in shadow

[lucid bridge]

I know for a fact that spirits turn golden once they ascend (you unlock their wing buff) whereas they are otherwise blue. I think every seasonal guide is blue because you cannot unlock their wing buffs (they don’t have any).

[rustic glen]

saw the cutest thing ever today on the Passage Stone

[light minnow]

Frens

[brave patio]

https://sky.163.com/news/official/20220413/26689_1012705.html

This might be of interest to you as well! It’s from the Chinese site but it’s got a lot of really cool concept art

[hushed steeple]

Lord fishy fish! Thank you!

[hushed steeple]

I forgot to ping- but thanks for lord fishy fish art!

[severe flare]

what i would’ve given for this outfit to have made it into the game as one of abyss guide’s ult gifts

[lucid bridge]

I like the tiny horn

What I found extra interesting is that the harpooner had dark stone corruption/poisoning in their eye, and that’s why their eye was blue.

[lucid bridge]

From the Wounded Soldier spirit memory. The spirit selling bonsais has the Anxious Angler’s outfit and similar hair. Anxious Angler backstory? Do you think this is how they became injured? I believe both the Season of Remembrance and the Season of Abyss take place shortly after the storm. The Soldier fled into the Vault, whereas the Angler had to eke out a living in the post apocalypse.

[lucid bridge]

Concept art by Tom Zhao and very much not canon… but I wish it was.

[whole ice]

Hey, i was in the shower and had a shower thought.
What happened to all the skykids that died in eye of eden? Were they maybe just like us?

[lucid bridge]

I think they are the corpses of skykids who died in eden. We see ourselves turn into something similar.

[dreamy wave]

Considering the firework staff was from a soldier, could it have been used as a weapon back in the day?

Shooting explosive spell

[lucid bridge]

My interpretation is that a firework staff could be used for communication (like a flare gun, or different colors have different meanings) or for disorientating an enemy (maybe a krill would follow a firework). Also if they have gunpowder to shoot off a firework then they could also shoot a projectile (we see a harpoon gun in the Abyss area). However none of this is stated outright (like most Sky lore) so it provides a fun opportunity for speculation and fan worldbuilding.

[dreamy wave]

Would have been cool to be able to scare off krill with firework...

[lucid bridge]

Headcanon: the forgotten ark crash survivors ate only mushrooms because all the plants were poisoned/dead, so all they could safely eat were decomposers.

[hushed steeple]

I mean....is it that out of the question that it could have just been used for ceremonial or entertainment purpuses?

Before the war, sky civiluzation was at the peak of its culture

[lucid bridge]

I agree with you. Maybe they were just having fun down there

[hushed steeple]

Like, there's no reason why it could not have also been used for comunication and distraction as you described it ( it times of war and distress you use what you got), but somehow I dont see the stuff being created foe that🤔

[hushed steeple]

Oh yeah, I know this one🥰

Also, has anybody notuced the name of the creature in the top left corner
Does it sound familiar to you?😏

[light minnow]

The thought of harpy eagles in sky spooks me

[hushed steeple]

Read the name in the uper left corner sky harpy pic 😅

[light minnow]

Daleth?
No idea what that means

[nimble ingot]

Daleth is a (strictly) not canon name for the Elder of Dawn.
It was a placeholder for the elder which went unused in the official game.
That said, fans of the game may still use these names as nicknames for the elders.

[light minnow]

Oh right
The old unused elder concept art names that made it into fanon
I know they exist but the only one i remember is Resh, because i see it show up more often here

[hushed steeple]

I know that.
Im just saying its crazy that this was once a possible design for the character that would eventually evolved into the boat grandpa we all know today😅

[nimble ingot]

I am going to strangle the sky bot!!!!!
Damn it!

a whole paragraph of lore theory, just poof.
All because something hurt the bot's sensitive feeling (sarcasm 100)

Having any in depth conversation of the lore here has to walk this delicate minefield of eggshell with this darn bot, it is not even funny. It is infuriating.

Fine. just going to dump this like a bag of potatoes. Without much effort with going into details.

The non-canon names are hebrew characters.
Each one has a meaning.
some of these meanings gives an interesting detail about the elders.
I would love to go over each one, but then the bot would just eat it up like bloody peas.

End of story, good night Skybot, you would never be a friend of any lore theorist worth their salt.

[hushed steeple]

I feel your pain😭😭😭😭

Cant tell you how many times this has happened to me
And this sounded just like the sort of thing I would have loved to read

[nimble ingot]

True.
It would have been interesting to see these creatures in the game today.

Although these early concept art of the elders show the process the devs went through.
Even though the final design of the elders (and the animals for that matter) are elegantly stylised. They do come across as simplified.

Simplification is not an issue though, and may pair well as a contrast to their deeper/complex emotional meanings.
That is, if we ever get that from the game itself.

Especially when you have been in the game for a lont time, that emotional euphoria (happy feelings) eventually wears off and you are left with the little reminders of what you imagined.

[hushed steeple]

Do we know who's responcible for the bot's censore peramiters?
Maby we need to make some reasonable changes to Mr Bots "sencetivery"

[tawdry copper]

Doesn't matter how many times I bonk it, it just keeps eating people's messages thinking they're peas

Jokes aside, I feel your pain 100%

[hushed steeple]

Im not shure if these are really the same person🤔 I think its more that they come from the same region, so have similar cloath styles.
With the limited detale that the game on characters, I feel that if they were ment to be the same person they would have had the same cloaths and mask

Besides, I always got the inpresson that the bonsai seller died in the memory. Would not have really been a tragedy worth focusing on if they just got injured. All the other spirits from the season had dead segnificant others😅

[nimble ingot]

I suspect it has to do with one of the mods who wrote the code.
And then the server's history.

That said. I personally would not think certain words should be that heavily enforced.
Namely a certain bug known to survive nuclear fallout (I was not even able to use a picture of the insect in tne past).

Where censorship would help ensure a community remains wholesome as TGC may have intended. It should not encroach on user's freedom of speech.
Wherein I am specifically refering to healthy speech.

(case and point)
I wish THIS was how messages get handled.
Not how they get simply deleted with no warning or notice.

This example and what happened on this channel for years are not the same.

[plush cave]

Hi there! If you send a message in #contact-the-mods, we can have a look at the message. Sometimes the chat filter picks up stuff it shouldn’t, and we can explain / give you a copy in DM

[hushed steeple]

The rest of what you said I do agree with 100%☺️
Dureing the war, Wounded Soldier experianced this terrible tragedy in the same Waisltand village/town that Anxious angler lived in.
Only Angler decided to leave her formar war torn home, espaceing with the help of a group of pirats/murchents (abyss crew) and not look back

After the great shatering they were one of the fiew that survived the initial period of devistation and traveled the sea's with the Abyss crew
Still, the axiaty from what she had to go through in her former life probably never fully left her

Wounded Soldier on the other hand went in the other direction, abandoning his duty's after the tragedy and become a refugy in Voult

This is all of course more fanfic then deffinetive theory, but its fun to speculate😋

[nimble ingot]

Understood.

For context and background.
I have brought this issue up in the past.
I believe Miriam has dealt with this in private, explaining that certain words have been on a list of triggers for the bot because of what happened in the past on the server.

The issue I have was when a long message simply gets deleted.
Leaving the user frustrated and discouraged from engaging on this channel about lore.

Lore that has been a on and off debate. Where the channel may fall silent for days at times.

[plush cave]

Yeah, I understand that it can be really frustrating at times, especially when you invested quite some time in writing down the message.

Feel free to send a message in the contact channel if you’d like a copy of your message

[nimble ingot]

It is fine.
I appreciate the offer.

I'll rewrite and format it better.

The power in my area has gone off and with that my pc, lol.
Once it's back on, I'll post a revised theory.

One that would in any case would have to redone to better explain things.

[hushed steeple]

I might be asleep by then, but Im looking forward to seeing it later☺️

[empty crane]

What happend here?

[hushed steeple]

What happened here was the great shatering, the great colamity, the doom of sky, the moment when the giant edan diamond went nuclear for the first time, and brough about the begining of the end for the ancester race

[empty crane]

Oh thanks for telling

[hushed steeple]

The ELDERS were there when it happened.
Maby they were traing to prevent the explosion, maby they were there for something else
Whatever the reason, they got splded and blown away the the big boom that happened at that secund

[empty crane]

I remember when in the past season they said people used the light for granted and it destroyed them all

[hushed steeple]

Preaty much
They though they had full mastery over it, that tey could do whatever they want
The edan diamond was likely the very pinicle of sky sciance, craft and darkstone mastery in the old kingdom
Seams that they werent so smart and on top of everything as they thought, and the whole thing eventually blew up in there face.....LITERALY🤣

[empty crane]

NAWW

[little gust]

From my perspective, I kinda figured out that the portals for the realms are in the shape of their elders (eg. vault and forest portals are skinny legends bcuz the elders are also skinny legends) and I know for a fact that these two pillars represent the valley twins, but why is one pillar broken down, and which twin is it supposed to represent?

[nimble ingot]

no worries, rest well.
I'll no ping reply for you.

[nimble ingot]

(Silent ping) Replying for viksa to easily find this theory.

This theory may not be canon as it uses non-canon names for the elders.

I'll be looking at the names compared to the elders. they originated from an early concept of the elders. Back when the Valley elder(s) were singular and the King (along with the Sky Prince, not to be mistaken for the Little Prince) seemingly was considered to be part of the cast.

The names were based on Hebrew letters wherein the letters have symbolic meaning which can be compared to the elders. Take note, these observations would be using relatively light research and may not be applicable to the current day elders. Because the developers of Sky have explicitly stated the names were placeholders for concept art characters and not canon to the finalised elders in the live game today.

Why make these comparison at all?
Simply because I believe it is a nice exercise in research, observation, art analysis (the elders' realms and their nicknames during development)
One I would gladly recommend others here to try for yourself. The lore is open to interpretation, and thus you writing your own theories is a plausible canon.
I'll gladly respond, discuss, theorise with folks here. Feel free to reach out anytime (please do let me know you are from lorechat if it were to be dms)

Now, this theory is likely going to be a long one.
I'll post them in a chain, as I go over each elder from the realms (including Eden, even if its elder is missing. Or in a form or place we dont recognise/know yet).

[lucid bridge]

Maybe one pillar is worn down to represent how one elder wears their hair up and the other wears their hair down

[nimble ingot]

DALET ד (Elder of Dawn)
The Isle of Dawn is seen as a gateway to the realms, as you must passs through there before you are able to visit the others. There you meet the first elder, a lanky figure with a staff that guides birds, wayward souls and now young skykids as they start their Journey through the realms to Eden.

The letter symbolises a door or gate. It represents selflessness and humility while those try to uncover their own mystery and return to the power of Aleph.
In Greek, the letter becomes the symbol for Delta. The letter D evolved from this letter, the shape used to be triangular 🔼 and stands as the fourth letter of the alphabet.

This is an interesting link for the elder to its ancestors. For those who are not aware. The ancestors have a prominent motif with upward pointing triangles. According to older interviews from TGC on the game, the triangle represents the ancestors desire to reach the heavens (orbit). The wide base implies they are grounded, as in not able to or meant to fly. Regardless, they pursue the Sky above them.

The use of the letter being the fourth letter of the alphabet sets the trend of Sky's motif that focuses on the number 4 in many places. From the boats in front of the Dawn temple, to the four elements and many more.
I'll rather not delve too far into that here.

The elder in concept art is refered to as a ferry man. A figure who is like the ferryman taking souls across the river of styx. A figure who helps travellers cross a threshold into a new and hopefully better place.

This might explain why the Dawn elder is not on the gate to Eden.
Should this theory hold water to the elder today. The elder would rather help skykids travel to eden. Not lock them out. Therefore, you dont need that elder's blessing. As that elder already did when you met them

(information sourced from an online page called Alefbet, as with the other elders I'll post soon)
(feel free to chat here while I keep typing)

[nimble ingot]

AYIN ע (Elder of Day)
The elder who slumbers until given a flicker of hope. Whose massive form does not hinder them from creating a delicate construct that is life.

The letter symbolises "eye", to see. The word for sight is not that simple. As the word goes deeper than just the ability to see. To see in this sense is to see with a different lens. Namely in an emotional or spiritual way.
For the elder, it could be connected to empathy. The want to help others in need. The use of the symbol with one's name may suggest they are a kind and creative soul.

The eyes are the windows to the soul after all. Perhaps the elder could be a good judge of character. Seeing a skykid generous to share their light with them might be how we get their blessing.

The symbols is also related to wine and secrets in Herbrew. I'll be delicate with this suggestion as this reminds me of a little controversial lore drop in season of Little Prince. Where the dark water drank form jars were considered a beverage by the ancestors.

Back to the symbology. When the letter is also used for blindness (the absence of sight). Which may apply to the elder's slumber state. Their are closed and blind to the world.

TETH ט (Elder of Rain/Forest)
The elder in a realm showered in mystery. Who wields a hammer that strikes an anvil like Thunder. Its mechanism grind and whirr as the brave skykids pass through.

The letter is the ninth in the alphabet. Which interestingly coincides with an early concept of the elder being like a trickster fox. I believe when the elders were once beasts, the elder could have been a Kitsune. However as the design shifted to more human like. The fox connection has faded. Although you may still find the original mask mounted on the wall above the doorway. Where you can find the mask there in the live game.

The letter's meaning in some cases is related to the word 'wheel', while the symbols generally is connected to the meaning for 'good'.
According to a website (Hebrew Today), in the spiritual realm there is a duality to the symbol. Which in turn implies a bad meaning.
The realm of Sky is a spiritual one as we can see and interact with spirits along our journey to the mountain. A landmark often associated with the earth meeting the heavens. A means to ascend like the spirits seeking the afterlife.

Back to the duality of the symbol for Teth, the good and bad meanings can be used interchangeably as it depends on the context. This may be the trickster aspect the devs may have wanted to include with the elder (at least at the time with the name as a placeholder).

SAMEKH ס (Elder of Sunset/Valley)

A realm where skykids are introduced to more than one path they can choose to reach the temple. The symbole represents something with no begining and no end. It symbolises protection that encloses, but also openess.

The realm once had a curious artifact known as a mobius strip. This creation is something you can create yourself. A paper strip with but one twist before attaching the ends. When you draw a line on one side and continue around the strip. You may be surprised to end up back where you started. A shape that allows you to travel on the other side with a continuous line.

This may be a deep meaning that foreshadows the reborn cycle of skykids. Where you back at the start, but your journey carries on.

The circle shape can be connected to a circuit (like a race), a shield that protects (or keeps secrets safe), but may also divides people.

[nimble ingot]

TSADI צ (Elder of Dusk/Wasteland)
A realm of war and ruin. A place the Dark Dragons consider it their hunting ground. An elder who is heroic and battle-weary.

The symbol means someone who is righteous, and the symbol also represents 'hunting'. The letter is the 18th in the alphabet. The number in Jewish tradition represents life. Which is ironic given the war in the realm did not hold back with many lives lost.

What would the inverse to righteousness be, I wonder?
Perhaps evil, corruption, dishonour...

The story told so far has become dark at this point. Perhaps the elder changing out their shield (possibly implying they changed sides) realised something was very wrong with the King they once served and sworn to protect with their life.
(note, the changing shield is an observation I made when you compare the constellation's kite/diamond shield with the elder's physical round shield. Which also matches the shields used from the different sides of the warriors in the war. The Light storming the temple and the Diamonds defending it. I recommend looking at the Aurora seed of Hope quest and concert.)

Sorry to see your message get removed.
You are welcome to dm it to me if you rather not want to deal with the bot.

It is best to copy your text to avoid the bot to devour your message without warning or reason.

[south saddle]

left in a part that I was meant to delete oops

WHAT THE

I was trying to fix a spelling and it got deleted????

[south saddle]

okay this BETTER BE THE LAST ONE

adding onto the 'number 4' thing, for japanese people it has a connection to death. it's pronounced the same way as the word for death, so generally it is considered bad luck too

it's one of the numbers that has an alternative pronunciation, pretty much just for this- 'yon'. shichi/nana - seven has an alternate one again for this reason

[nimble ingot]

LAMED ל (Elder of Night/Vault)
A realm where knowledge and secrets are kept safe. Where you meet an elder who would become the tallest of the bunch should you encounter them in Orbit.

The symbol is that of learning. Being the tallest letter of the alphabet, it represents royalty. Not the ordinary kind, but of divine nature. The name of the letter comes from its shape, which represent a shepherd's staff.
In older character designs of the vault elder. The character had a staff and was seen as an oracle.

Even though the staff association no longer exists, and by extension shows how the elders have evolved since these concept designs. I believe the elders still have some association with these letters and their symbolism. Just not in the way they were originally designed as.

[nimble ingot]

Yeah, that was rude. Bot

Let me play word chicken with them for a few minutes.
Or until someone in the server's backrooms decides to eithter update their trigger words or kindly point out what offends the bot so much for it to rudely delete an entire theory I spent the better part of an hour writing.

RESH ר and ALEF א (Elder(s) of Storm/Eden)

( I am surprised I got this far with this. Though found it fun)

Ok, even though the realm is notorious for it having no elder. At least as far as we can see/recognise.
This realm is a trial, a challenge skykids must face.

In any case, the elders in the concept art are shown to be the King and the Prince (to which I will call the Sky Prince, as to avoid confusion with the Little Prince).

Starting with the King, Resh represents wickedness, a person who looks down on others. Eventhough the duality also implies an inverse. For a wicked person to turn to the good side, they would metaphorically take a step backwards (to the previous letter ק Koph). Which represents holiness and is a step after tsadi (righteousness). The letter also means leader and the beginning.

There is sadly not much information about the King specifically in the lore. Other than implication about them becoming corrupted with power and facing them near the end of Eden.

Now the Sky Prince, Aleph. Which has even less lore about them. Although we can still look at the letter.
Despite being the last letter, it is the true beginning, the first letter of the alphabet.
The letter represents One. Which is interesting how in the darkness scene, let's suppose that is intended to be the scene for the Sky Prince. The two halves become one whole. The letter hints at unity despite the duality. An equilibrium between the extremes. A balance in Sky that is the harmony between Light and Darkness.
The letter is the source for the Greek symbol of α, which evolved into the letter A. A letter whose shape again echoes that same triangular shape such as the Delta connection from Ayin.

Even though there is not much we can deduce from this and the other letters that applies to the elders we see today.
The process TGC did to forge the lore exists. And we can use that to write stories of our own.

Oh really , literally the first letter of the Greek alphabet is the trigger.
of course.

And no, not going to accept the excuse that α in its written form is used as slang on the internet for a dominant/assertive person.

That whole theory was talking about Hebrew letters and the elders.
And all of that had to be sniped with no warning or reason because of ONE WORD.

There, have that as my little tantrum, protest and rant all wrapped in a single message.

[past canyon]

What happened here

[nimble ingot]

A mini rant at the Skybot after typing out a chonker of a theory about elders and their (not canon) hebrew names.

The last theory with the Sky Prince happened to had a word the bot did not like one bit.

Feel free to have Discord read this text out loud: α

[past canyon]

/tts α

Idk how to do that lmao. But I can imagine what happened there

[nimble ingot]

if on mobile, I dont know if it works lol.
If on pc, you can right click and select Speak message.

[plain fern]

Did the original Beta before Sky was released did everything look different and was the story line more interesting

[rustic arch]

EATING ALL OF THESE UP LIKE RAISINS

[compact raptor]

I’m not really a lore enthusiast but this is a pleasure to read and it does make me interested in hearing more! You did a wonderful job with these theories

[hushed steeple]

Sereosly, what is up with the bots these days. You not safe to write any long post without fear of haveing it all deleated😭

Ok, hopefully 3rd times the charm😅

Not this time you (BEEEP) bot, I had my post copied.
Now letes see what your so sencetive about

[plain fern]

I am Secetive about flying and Krills

[hushed steeple]

Hold up, I think I got an idea🤔

[hushed steeple]

Ok, can someone pleese tell me what was so terrible in these post that had to be cencored😅😅😅

[nimble ingot]

It was different, yes.
Whether it was better than how it is today is open to people's opinion.

[nimble ingot]

That is one way to do it XD
While I cannot type the word for you.
I can direct you to a message I posted about the word in question.
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[nimble ingot]

I agree that certain parts of the beta was limited due to the way the game ran back then.

For instance, the shard event was supposedly intended to be part of the game from the start. Although the devs were able to properly implement its mechanics as a season later on.

Another would be swimming (added in season of Abyss).
And so on.

Eventhough there were features added, there also features removed when comparing the old game (Light Awiats) to how it looks today.
Most notably the presence of the King and the massive creature they would have thought amidst the storm.

[hushed steeple]

Well thats the thing
The king wasnt removed, he never existed in any playable form in the first place. Going way back to playthrough's of sky from January-Fabruary 2018, Edan was jast one grey area with rocks flighing, and once you pass through a glowing dore your teleported to proto orbit with a disclamer saying thanks for playing, more will come soon

There are a lot of cool stuff from the conpect art that people assumed might have existed in an anchant patch of Light Awaits, but in through never made it passed the initial modeling stage😅

[nimble ingot]

Ah, here is where I would give a bit of forbidden lore.

There was in fact a model of the King in Sky. Not that it was in the beta or much less the live game.
During the game's development, the King was scrapped from being in the game (at least in the form they would have been based on the concept art).
This in turn implies there is/was cut content in the game's files.

I am not allowed to show this supposed model here, as it was found out by hackers.
I am willing to discuss this in private as to keep to the rules of the server.

[hushed steeple]

Oh I know of the forbidden lore speak off
Even seen a video of he who must not be named partoling the broken temple in Waistland insted of the krill, shooting energy bolls at sky kids

But like I said before, stuff like that never made it passed the initial modeling and coding stage.

[nimble ingot]

I almost forgot.
Eden was one of the realms back then that seen a lot of changes (the other realm was Dawn).
At one point, Eden had an alternate look to its ending that was very different to the reddish hail we have today.

It was an out of bounds area that was nicknamed Blue Eden.

[nimble ingot]

I see.
I know who you are talking about. 👍
There was also supposedly cut content of the Megabird as well.

[hushed steeple]

True, but most of it was in the concept art stage.

Like I said, they cut it becouse it was too ambitious and complex
Natutaly they would need to have tried and failed to create it in the first place before deciding to scrap the idea
( hence why old hackers and out of bounds junky's found that stuff)
This doesnt mean that was ever a part of the actual beta😅

[nimble ingot]

Agreed.

I do hope they would revisit it in the future.

With the season of Abyss, seeing the massive leviathan. I hope this may be a cornerstone to the devs adding new giant creatures in Sky.

[hushed steeple]

Also, if your interested in beta stuff, these are some of the oldest existing full play playthroughs of Light awaist I could find

Sky Light Awaits Gameplay - YouTube

Beta Memories: First Steps in Sky Light Awaits Beta 2018 - YouTube

[hushed steeple]

Also possibly THE oldest gameplay of sky on youtube ( originaly recorded in december 2017)
This is the one with the body's on the beach

https://youtu.be/fWjd7R-GykY?si=qVmasnF6xMCOKiDo

[nimble ingot]

ah this one.

I remember the original had actual commentary from Jenovah Chen.
This one sadly does not have that audio, and I just noticed it is weridly sped up in places.

[hushed steeple]

Yes
I havent been able to find the original again unfortunatly, but its the exact same version of Isle, so its the best I can do for now😅

[nimble ingot]

ye, no worries.
I am also looking for the OG.
And intend to document/record/save it for archive purposes.

[rugged stump]

Wrong

[hushed steeple]

Pleese send it to me if you can☺️
I've been organising all the beta material I can find into a document.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Va91mcwwhl3CExKtr6kbfaoAR0QFqm-0kic6qRh3Th4/edit?usp=drivesdk

[hushed steeple]

Elaborate😅

[rugged stump]

Also kinda wrong

[hushed steeple]

Im interested to hear your reasoning.
I'll have no problem if you show evidence of me being wrong☺️

[rugged stump]

Maybe later I’m busy

If Light Awaits was that much worse there wouldn’t be so many, both successful and unsuccessful attempts to rebuild it and make it playable again

And boy were some of them successful

[hushed steeple]

Stupid censore
Let me start again

[hushed steeple]

Also, nobudy mentioned anything about Light Awaits being so much worse or anything like that.
Only that some of the really cool stuff that people think existed at some point in Light Awaits actually didnt😅

Aka the king

[rugged stump]

Hm

Idk but I really feel like that’s what a lot of people from this server think, they act like sky now is the most polished beautiful thing ever

[rugged stump]

Also that’s not what I meant. I don’t mean things reimplemented into current sky from LA by tgc, i mean LA itself

[hushed steeple]

You mean Aviary?

You know that wasnt always a thing in LA in the first place
Aviary was inplimented in May 5 2018, over half a year after Light Awaits lounched

[rugged stump]

I KNOW

[rugged stump]

I mean the ENTIRE GAME

[lucid bridge]

This is a server about Sky: Children of the Light. If you don’t want to talk about it, join another server.

[rugged stump]

Huh???

[hushed steeple]

What in the world are you talking about🤨🤨🤨

Everybody keeps complaining about how sad they are that Sky came so short of realising all the awsome ideas it had planned.

But there is a difference between what one imagines, and what one can practicly acomplished

[rugged stump]

Then either not enough or the server took a drastic turn in my like month of absence that i have not noticed yet

[hushed steeple]

Also, before we continue with the conversation, I want you to be honest and tell me if you had actually played Light Awaits contunuasly in 2018 and early 2019

[lucid bridge]

Anyway, do you think Krills can come into this world as babies like mantas can, or do they have to be corrupted? Is this what happens when a baby manta gets corrupted? Or maybe when a regular one does (it’s kind of regular-manta sized).

This is also the smallest krill we see in-game (I think). I have a headcanon that krills grow the more they eat just like mantas do. If the leviathan is like an elder krill, then this must be like a baby krill.

Anxious Angler spirit memory is where this is from. Which makes me think. The Abyss area is kind of like the opposite of the Sanctuary area. Instead of being a safe place for mantas, the ancestors trapped them there. Instead of ascending with the seasonal quests, you descend.

[hushed steeple]

I dont really think there's such a thing as a "baby krill", in terms of a krill giving burth to a baby 🤔

The one thing that we know for curtain is that Krill are corupted light creatures. We dont actually know for 100% curtain what creature specificly gave birth to them, exactly how it happenes, if it is one creatures or just the light and bones of many giving rise to krill....
Thats all still a mater of debate

[hushed steeple]

Althogh I fully agree with you that Krill probably grow larger as they consume more light creatures

[hushed steeple]

To be honest Im not entirely shire if all krill are the exact same size and shape in universe, or if thats a case of copy pasting the models for gameplay conveniance.
It is possoble that in universe krill might start small but later grow depending on how much they had consumed over time.

But that is pure speculation on my part honestly🤔

[light minnow]

We also see super small krill in aurora's GW song

[hushed steeple]

Shoot, I was looking for the picture and you beat me too it😅

But yes, tiny krill are a thing in aurora GW song, which does seam consistent timeline wise

[hushed steeple]

Ok, found all the picks
Tiny krills and suprise atack from big Krill in Aurora GW song

[dusty mortar]

just kinda hoppin in here. Hi
This really makes me want to see what a light creature krill would look like. And I'd be disappointed if it's supposed to be the big betta whale.

[nimble ingot]

I would not think it is the case exactly.

I have had thoughts that ran along similar lines, until realising that looking too closely at something gives misleading impressions.

The game has a lot going on.
Gameplay wise, the game has become more exciting with new seasons added to the realms. The game has seen some improvements (just to give a few examples, movement is a bit smoother as in Light Awaits players had to swipe a lot and did not have precise movement yet. And even in the early days of the live game after Light Awaits skykids were more fragile where they lost light upon hitting walls).

While the game has worked hard on improving and innovating on itself.
Players may still have their own opinions on things that they view to be a downside for some parts of the game (ex. crawling, event currencies not transferring, spirits changing etc.)

It may be best to take a broader scope of the game than sticking to a small area that focused on the extremes (be it positive or negative)

[nimble ingot]

The Dark Dragons (aka the krill ❤️ ) are a different creature to the whales, fish, or even mantas.
There is sadly no confirmed look for an uncorrupted Krill.
However, players are welcome to theorise on that.

One theory I had was they could be related to the eel creature you can find in Treasure Reef (season of Abyss). The ghostly long bodied creature that leaves bubble trails as it glides through the water and around the ruins.
The reason why I think that has been written out in this channel a while back.
I can link you to it, or give you a run down if you like to hear it.

[hushed steeple]

I probably sound like a broken record by this point, but this is something we need to wait for the animation to really find out😅

[light minnow]

Personally i like to believe that krill are corrputed bones, because of the sounds they make and how not fleshy their body looks

[rugged stump]

Reading this physically hurts jeez

[hushed steeple]

Well nobudy is forcing you to read this or agree😑

If you find our reasoning so painfull to listen to, you are free to join other servers with company you would better enjoy

[cold sparrow]

Rude and unconstructive

[light minnow]

If you're so annoyed by this server and us enjoying the game as it currently is, nobody is forcing you to stay

[nimble ingot]

TLDR

Sky is a game.

People can have their own opinions about it.

[light minnow]

Personally i really like sky
I like that it has a lot of season quests to do and have fun with, i like how much we have to explore

[hushed steeple]

Please save you long text before you post it budy. You know what the bot is like this week😅

[light minnow]

I do feel that currently the game emphasises grinding too much with its TS pricing and the like
But that doesn't prevent me from enjoying what other content it has to offer

[nimble ingot]

lol rip that message.
And yeah, I have been in Sky and the lorechat long enough to know how the bot is.

Despite that, I have lost many messages to the bot and did not know ctrl+c just in case.

[hushed steeple]

I mean, that a mostly universal problem of large scale modern mobile games😅

[rugged stump]

1. No
2. Won’t argue anymore, keep those pink glasses on

[light minnow]

Yeah the word censor is a pain
Just arbitrary random words getting deleted because "it could be used for bad"
When that criteria can be damn near any possible word

[light minnow]

"People can have their opinions"
"No"
Welp that just about sums up this entire convo

[hushed steeple]

So, question
Why in the world are you even here in the first place😑

[nimble ingot]

huh?
I am not arguing anything. Apologies for it seeming that way.

I meant to share an opinion.
I'll leave you be seeing the input did not help.

[rugged stump]

I really wish i knew how to explain

[light minnow]

Anyways back to lore
We were talking about krill right?

[hushed steeple]

krill? im listening .

[hushed steeple]

Yes, a change of topic would be most lovely I would say☺️

[royal delta]

Just jumped in and saw about if krills can reproduce.
I do think a krill starts off small, but probably on how much light they feed off [or maybe even darkness] made them bigger and bigger.

[nimble ingot]

True.
The game does not seem to hinder players who pay for candles (case and point: day 1 of any season with skykid flaunting the ultimate cosmetics).

The grind in the game sadly can burn out skykids over time.

It is almost like watching stars burn out with skykids starting out all shiny and bright eyed. Then they eventually burn out and sometimes their friends notice that when their star stopped twinkling after a while.

[light minnow]

Btw i did abyss quest yesterday
And i find it interesting that they specifically had an alarm for when you open the leviathan's door (and the krill that go with it)
Makes me think that the room was probably specifically for dunking dark creatures into

[hushed steeple]

so the more light they consume the more they reproduce basically orr..?

[nimble ingot]

The alarm sounded like a security breach (and it was was before that fnaf game did its thing, lol)

I wonder though why the ancestors had the creatures contained like that.
Was it because it was eating up all the light creatures?

[light minnow]

All the light creatures and also are probably a danger to themselves
As an ancient i wouldn't wanna have krill just chilling around my workplace

[royal delta]

I dont think they can reproduce. For all i've heard they are just experiments that had gone wrong.
And from how many krills that exits in sky, i highly think that dont have the ability to reproduce, maybe even the smaller the krill the more vunrable you are to be eaten by bigger krills. though that's how i see it, i maybe wrong ^^

[hushed steeple]

or
to try to tame them .

im just basing this off of when people find something dangerous, they wanna control it .

[nimble ingot]

true true.

the concept art and murals in the live game do certainly indicate that.

[light minnow]

We see in the aurora GW song that krill are very capable of threatening ancestors, we see them hide from a giant one
And well, the levi speaks for itself i think

[hushed steeple]

by experiment do you think maybe the elders create the light creatures?
genuinely asking, im fascinated

[light minnow]

Personally i don't feel that what was going on was experimentation
It was just draining light out of creatures for the dark crystals and stuff
Just like the forest temple did

[royal delta]

hm, no i think all creatures are by the creation of the mega bird.

[hushed steeple]

oh how so?

[royal delta]

Oh wait i meant light creatures, apologies!

[light minnow]

Basing this off the murals we see in the final quests, where we see dark crystals being carried around the cages
And also the sheer amount of crystals in this area
To me it feels that they were draining light from the creatures to fill the crystals

[hushed steeple]

maybe when the shards fell the red drained light from the creatures ,
though it doesnt explain the krills, coz at least we can see like how there were light creature crabs before
krills kinda just
manifested from thin air .

[light minnow]

We do know krill existed pre-shattering
Since again they showed up in the war

Generally darkness did exist before the shattering, just not as prominent
So i believe that krill are naturally there because of darkness
As long as darkness exists, so will krill imo

[royal delta]

I do agree!
possibly why we see so much butterflies inside a jar. it would only had made not enough energy making mantas and bigger creatures to be targets.
I guess the bigger the light creature the more energy can the crystal hold.

[light minnow]

I imagine the butterflies were more using the creatures themselves, rather than draining them
And then came the idea of taking the light energy from bigger creatures
Since prairie is where most butterfly jars are, and that area doesn't have any light drain facilities

[hushed steeple]

ohhhh i see i see

[royal delta]

true, but im curious, you had the idea that krills come from light creatures that have been sucked out of their light. Wouldnt they be dead and how would they still be alive without their source of life?

[hushed steeple]

Actually, we dont know for curtain if they were born from sucking all the energy from them ( at least not exclusively)
All that is said is that krill are curupted light creatures, so there was probably a light that got consumed by darkness that sparked the teansformation🤔

Afterwords, the eternal hunger of the krill gets it to atack and consume all light it can ditect on instinct, growing larger and larger

[severe flare]

I’ve also seen people float the idea before that krills are sort of like zombies

[royal delta]

hmm, oh gosh another lore rabbit hole.
i thought i'd be in one only but now it's two

[hushed steeple]

Not litteraly, but in a purely figurative sence, yes

This is based on another theory that krill the combination of the bones of light creatures, pulution/waist from crystal production, and negative emotion

[hushed steeple]

Mix it all together, and you got a krill riseing from the remains of the bones and waist of darkstone temples, as well as battlefilds where to remains of dead creatures, spilled blood ( light) and combination of fear and anger give rise to these creatures like a corpse riseing from the grave

[severe flare]

That’s a great way of describing it Also idr if it was you who described darkness as being about succumbing to base instinct in opposition to free will, in addition to the more well-known theme of isolation vs. connection, but that definitely influenced how I see krill. Especially since neither krill nor light creatures act exactly like real life animals, I see them as almost manifestations of the concepts behind dark and light in a way that only resemble animals we know in the real world

[dusty mortar]

So, do we know what caused the war? I've been really slacking on the lore thus far
T_T

[nimble ingot]

sadly nothing official in the game.
Though clearly it was a big one in Wasteland.

[hushed steeple]

I dont belive that I was the first one to do so, thay might have been someone else, but I did come to this opinion all the way back in late 2020 after the 7 days of sky concept art become available

Soooooo.......😅

[dusty mortar]

So, in theory, it could be that they were draining the light and this resulted in darkness manifesting worse than just plants and a stray shard.

[twilit sky]

Oo are talking about krill’s/ what they were before the whole Eden mess

[dusty mortar]

Do we see krill anywhere before wasteland/reef?

It was the crabs! We start seeing them in sanctuary, and they're a simple nuisance. They're actually a threat in wasteland since there's not a lot of light to recharge off. This could compound, making spirits use more and more light to make more advanced equipment and temples, and in the end it infected too much and took too many lives.

[hushed steeple]

Only in the corners of a few murals, most notably the cave of prophesy and the Arc

Thats really the primary thing that sparked the idea that Krill could have existed before the war and the shatering🤔

[twilit sky]

Almost baseless opinion here but I feel that krills were security basically before they became the way they are now. Idk like a guard dog or something

[dusty mortar]

Now, were the trials added after the war to train and challenge skids early on, or was it there when isle was first inhabited?

[hushed steeple]

thats the thing, security for what? what could possibly need security from a creature that eats light? (sorry i joined in)

[twilit sky]

People doing shady things

[hushed steeple]

Tgs has confermed that darkness had existed in the past and not thd product of shaterring.

Although that doesnt conferm if krill specificly existed before the war🤔

[dusty mortar]

Shady things like making juice in the forest.

[hushed steeple]

Going by what we know of the in game lore, long before the war.

After the war is the shatering, and after that is the gradual extinction of the anchant race

After that is a time when the world was withough people, and slowly recovering from all the devestation, and after that the first sky kid of our era awakens for the first time

[twilit sky]

Even if this isn’t the case that’s a fun theory to think about

[hushed steeple]

True☺️

[twilit sky]

I’ll be honest I’m mainly here so I can write with more accuracy lore wise, atm I’m just making stuff up as I go with the few things I know ( I don’t know much at alllllll)

[dusty mortar]

Ahhhh, okay. Now I'm understanding the timeline more. I didn't realise we'd wiped everyone out before our skid generation

[twilit sky]

This is probably a really basic answer and something you though of already, but my thought is greed, (I’m aware most wars are about that) people didn’t want to give up some of the things they had even if it wasn’t hurting other things like people or creatures and so they were willing to kill to get rid of anyone who disagreed with them ||this statement brought to you by someone who knows basically nothing about sky lore and is guess based on what little evidence I have observed||

[hushed steeple]

It wasnt by choise
Things just got a little out of hand. It could happen to anybody really😋

[light minnow]

I don't really think the krill is the same creature as whatever it originated from
I imagine the krill is born after the original creature's death
Though this is more headcanon than anything
Ties in with my belief that krill are from the bones of dead creatures

[twilit sky]

That would make the most sense to me
Simply because, what else could they be? It doesn’t really make sense for krill like things to be flying around- even if they weren’t darkness creatures at the time

[light minnow]

I disagree that ancestors would just kill anyone who disagreed
I feel like the war takes root in a more fundamental problem than just "if you disagree you must die"
But rather, both sides believing they are fighting for the better of society
One side believing light and creatures should be respected
The other believing technology and spciety progress (like the giant crystal) come first
That's how it feels to me at least

[twilit sky]

Well that makes a lot more sense (I am so willing for any opinions of mine to be changed about this as I have spent maybe two minutes on this so far so yep)

[hushed steeple]

(creepy graveyard whisper)
The bones, the bones, the bones, the bones......

[edgy kernel]

ya know, i kinda wonder if those masks/face accessories were made of bone instead of stone
I know atleast the one they're wearing has its design inspired by the whale

[hushed steeple]

I know the jolly geoligist from moments has a mask thats made out of bone
However I dont belive the mask that the elder is wearing is bone at all. The shape, structure and thickness is totally uncompatible

[nimble ingot]

The Wasteland soldiers/warriors seem to have helmets that echo the whale's look.
The whales are based on real life fossils of the Dunkleosteus , which were described as being 'bad dudes' from the looks of the skeletal structure.
Regardless of what the actual animal would have looked like. This armoured look did seem to be a notable detail for the whales.
Seeing they are able to demolish an entire building like its nothing when they fly right into them (see the Eden ascend scene).

Perhaps for the warriors, they wanted their armour to represent that same rugged, tough and strong look of the whales.

[hushed steeple]

Its more likely looking at some of the other masks from realm that higher ranking soldures (and Tsadi would have deffinetly been the top of the order in his day) all had masks based on the mightiest most powerfull living creatures on the continent, namely the whales
Kinda like the eagle and jaguar warriors from Aztec, only less over the top

[deep meteor]

Are capes and masks canonically accessories that we can take off and switch, or are they more so a part of our body?

[hushed steeple]

In universe I think they should be something we can take off.

[edgy kernel]

yeah, the inspiration makes a lot of sense. I sorta wonder about their culture around the light creatures in this context, as there are a lot of bones around and hunters, so I can only wonder if they used the bones of the creatures they hunted, or were maybe more wasteful.

[hushed steeple]

That is a good question
Its kinda tricky to tell if the ancesters actually did much hunting of sky creatures though🤔, so maby that would not have been a thing in there culture like it is in our

[edgy kernel]

yeah, we have multiple hunter spirits i think now, and in some memories we can see them chasing after mantas or jellyfish, but - the newest hunter in this season is more about capturing them alive.

[hushed steeple]

Really the clossest we see of ancesters doing any kind of hunting or combat with sky creatures (before the goldent age of darkstone and later the war) is maby fishing

[hushed steeple]

Well technicly we dont know if they were really "hunting" them. Animal husbendry seamed to have been a way bigger thing in old sky sociaty, so they might not have neceseraly cought them for there...meat?

Crabs are another mater though😅

[lucid bridge]

We also see ancestors trapping and caging mantas in both the quest and concert version of “Warrior of Love” from Season of AURORA

And we see ancestors holding mantas in captivity in the Season of Abyss area mural

Based on the Princess’s daydream memory, I think the mantas were used as pets. We see them floating around her closet-thing.

Closest thing we see to sky meals are Grandma’s rolls, the crabs in the wasteland bonfire, various teas, and the mushrooms in the forgotten ark area. There’s also the hot cocoa in aviary for days of feasts and cake and pizza from the|| office ||but I don’t know if those would be considered canon. I may be missing some

[pastel brook]

What’s your favorite thing to do at the party?

[lucid bridge]

Eat candle cakes!

[lucid bridge]

But also we can just reasonably deduce that there are more foods. For instance the existence of fisher spirits and hunters imply more meat being eaten. They aren’t shown so we get to make them up ourselves That’s something I like about sky lore. They let the players interpret it in their own way while still having a cohesive story

[light minnow]

The capturing process did involve blasting them with canons
I'd call that a hunt, even if not to eat them in the end

[hushed steeple]

Well of course, but thats the point I was makeing before.
All these examples were doreing the hight of the Dark storm Era and the great war.

There is little indication that before that hunting creatures was in any way comman, while examples of animal husbandty are much more abundone

[hushed steeple]

Personaly I feel that ancesters hunting and eating light creatures mostly stops at stuff like fish and maby jellyfish, and that hunting mantas and other higher creatures was totally non kosher for the first half of ancester civilization

[lucid bridge]

There’s no regular nodding emote but I’m nodding as I’m reading what you’ve written

I’d imagine there’s a lot of meat on those mantas…

[hushed steeple]

Oooh, thanks a lot☺️

[hushed steeple]

Mantas nothing, manatee's are where the good eatings at🤣

[lucid bridge]

Do you think after the dismayed hunter killed that small whale they were like, “Well… can’t let all this good meat go to waste “

[hushed steeple]

you think thats why there only found in Priery peaks and far of insland close to Sanctuary🤔

[hushed steeple]

🤣

[lucid bridge]

Well, we don’t know for certain if the dismayed hunter killed anything… but that’s what I think happened

[lucid bridge]

Oh they were extirpated 100% (imo)

[flat tangle]

Hey
Since that skykid sticker exists
Is it possible that kids can eat Krebs and possibly other creatures

[lucid bridge]

I think so. There’s also the crab pot bonfire in the wasteland

[hushed steeple]

Extripated?
What does... (quick google)...oooooooh
Yeah, for shure
Death by mane nugets 🤣 🤣🤣🤣

[flat tangle]

[lucid bridge]

Also, there’s those oysters (or bivalves… idk) in the Treasure Reef and sometimes Sanctuary. Yummy!

This is pure speculation, but I have some headcanons on dark oyster biology. I believe they have dark material shells and pearls, but the muscles are made of light. So when you open them you get a nice amount of light meat inside. I also think that the crabs are full of light muscles too. Maybe the krills? But who knows what the innards of a krill looks like. I’m pretty sure those are inedible… maybe even poisonous.

I want to eat oysters now.

[hushed steeple]

No Krill
there bodies are crystalised darkness goo, with only the light energy stolen for others as full for there hunger
They have no natural light musculs to contain light energy, only pure light flame (what we call wax) that is inprisoned in there core, just like dark plants

[edgy kernel]

related to food production, there are spots that look kinda like farmland by where the ark crashed - I have to wonder if that was their source of food out there, or that was just a spot to grow herbs for dyes or things like potions

[tough tide]

there is a concept art by adam willis of spirits fighting to capture a manta

[edgy kernel]

yeah, I remember seeing those
with the one bit of art of one strung up into an archway, to me it looked like they were wrangling them for an ancestor to ride

[edgy kernel]

@hushed steeple a mountain of concept art for a BUNCH of seasons

[hushed steeple]

what season is this from?

[edgy kernel]

this is the one from auora i was thinking about

really really wild

[tough tide]

these are all for the warrior of love song, which could be considered not canon but it seems like there were alternative reasons as to why animals where captured. if they wanted the manta for food then the spirits could have wawa them. i think these mantas were captured either for energy or racing?

[edgy kernel]

that song had you go through the place in valley as they were racing mantas, yeah. In the current memory atleast from what i remember i think they might have fed the mantas, and they were a lot more chill. the way these are depicted though shows a lot more of a struggle to restrain mantas for long enough for the ancestors to ride them, which is quite different

[hushed steeple]

OH WOW
So this outright comferms the main theory about Auroras valley song

But like I said before, this is from the time when crystal production was at its hight

[tough tide]

also i would have loved a specialization of people who had the job of fighting with mantas to capture them. right now there seems to be some kind of net device that is shot into the sky to get the mantas, which makes more sense (and would be safer for the spirits) but gosh it just looks so cool 🥲

[edgy kernel]

here's a good screenshot of that - the manta has a little place for it, and its not tied up and seems to be accepting food

( screenshot from youtube channel Rozen )

[tough tide]

so does that mean its possible to domesticate mantas? or is this expected of in the sky kingdom? like were there a mix of people treated the creatures well/mistreated them or was it the norm to be kind towards the light creatures

[hushed steeple]

I think domestication of mantas and other light creatures was way more comman in the old days
We see mantas pulling boats in wind paths, and then theres the creature from the sky trailers

[edgy kernel]

in a few memory frames after, the racing spirits are seen on some mantas which are calm enough to sit there and wait patiently for the race to start, so i'd have to say at some level, yeah!

it atleast is very different from the concept art where they show a whole lot more struggle involved

[hushed steeple]

I belive this more hostile relationship towards mantas was a later development, dureing the hight of the Darkstone Era when the ancsters got too full oftemselfs

[tough tide]

oh so when demand for light energy and transportation went up spirits had to take more light at a faster rate than usual

[edgy kernel]

If i compare to the current season, in the hunter's memory all they need is a well thrown net to stop a manta, they may be instead far more peaceful creatures and maybe the concept didn't line up as well with t hat

[tough tide]

but even then, non manta transportation like the boats in dreams village still required light energy to function, so a source for light energy was still needed. but who knows maybe those boats took a lot less light than having a manta manually pull a boat up and down a mountain

[edgy kernel]

( also just one funny thing, i think its funny the ball they're handing to the manta looks the same as what grandma feeds us. we're being fed manta food, we are part light creature i suppose LOL )

[tough tide]

yrs thats is what i was thinking earlier, but st the same time the manta was quite small while the spirits in the concept art were trying to capture a full grown manta thsts like 3x the size of them. in the end, i think tgc just chose a less violent approach to manta capturing and it worked in their favor because throwing a net is a lot less dangerous for spirits than getting dragged by a manta 💀💀

[tough tide]

actually, yes. i got a concept art that literally shows how skids are hybrids of ancestors and light creatures

[hushed steeple]

exactly
Its also inportant to know that squeezing mantas for light energy was not how crystal productuion originaly start
The original darsotone factorys in the Early Darkstone Era did not use mantas, but rather harvested light primeraly from Priery and a few other places, transported by jars
The switch to mantas was something that happened much later, somewhere in the Middle Darkstone era when sky civilization nearing its peak, and needed way more energy to maintain its civiization

[tough tide]

smart, smart
i think the diverse light resources spiritd used plays a big part because if youre getting light from the prairie, and the forest, and the mantas you have many kinds of light energy so you dont hage to exhaust one completely. i bet for manufacturing purposes, the kingdom switched to majority manta capturing so that its easier to harvest light, creating an imbalance in the sky ecosystem

[hushed steeple]

Preciselly
You can deffinetly plot the develempental evolution of energy use in sky sociaty going frok

• Natural energy: Ancesters relieing purely on there own light abileties
  - Advanced natural energy :Anchants developing ones own mastery of might energy beyond there natural limits (aka the light powers that curtain ancesters posessed)
• Light harvesting : Useing staffs and jars to condensate the surpluss light energy in an enviromant and store it for later use
• Darkstone production
  - Early darkstone production: Combining harvested light with mined darkstone ore to produce cristals
  - Intermediat darstone production : Experimenting with other sorces of light (posibly maby light from trees) and eventually landing on useing mantas as secundary sorce of light
  - Advanced darkstone production: The virsion that was primeraly used before sky civilization ended, with manta draining becomeing domiant
  - Hyper advanced darkstone production: Whatever was happening in Abyss

[hushed steeple]

This could pribably use some more work, but I think its good enough for now
You dont hapen to have any more ideas😅

[light minnow]

[edgy kernel]

If eden crystal was indeed one huge darkstone crystal, you might add in whatever would be involved with that, and what they could have needed to fuel THAT

[hushed steeple]

My guess.....the edan light beam itself🤔
Going streight to the sorce
They probably though they could make that crystal so materfully, that it would be possible to handle and controle all that energy

They thought wrong😅

[tough tide]

by the way, darkstone is a naturally occuring mineral as seen in the moments cave and in the All Is Soft Inside memory. this could have initially started off with mining minerals and then spirits soon learned that they could make their own darkstone and started doing that. not my beloved geologist tho they know whats up💯💯 (or theyre only happy to see the crystal to turn it into power diamonds 😨😨)

[hushed steeple]

Well I this is where Im guessing setting some terminolagy might be usefull
-Darkstone is the catch all term
-Daratone ore is the naruraly forming mineral
-Crystal is the refined product that one uses

[tough tide]

sorry i disappeared momentarily😭 but yeah i feel like in terms of darkness technology, mining must have came first from naturally occuring resources

[hushed steeple]

This is kinda suported in the old concept art, where the transition from the Fire Era to the Darkstone era is marked with the discovery of darkstone ore in Forest, and the later development of the craft of crystal makeing

[tough tide]

so why would someone want a refined darkness stone? im guessing its because the crystal has impurities that can hinder how much light it can generate/sustain, so a purer version would have been more effective in industrial settings.

[hushed steeple]

No no no, you missunderstood😅

[nimble ingot]

Perhaps to refine its power storing properties?
To make them more potent.
To make them more powerful than just floating rocks that occasionally draw and give off light?

[tough tide]

how? i would love to know 😭😭

[hushed steeple]

You need to refine it in order to use it as tech. Natural darkstone has an affinety towards absorbing and conductung light energy, but its not something use can predictibly use to do specific things like what we see in sky tech

[tough tide]

so what youre saying is that natural darkstone isnt the most reliable in conducting light but by refining it, it becomes more useful?

[hushed steeple]

Hope this helps😅
Darkstone has some level of power, but getting it do do what you want requires molding and special proceses

[tough tide]

real
tbh im really glad for the moments cave cause it kinda showed what specifically darkstone does, which is conduct and hold onto light energy while most of the time, light energy is quickly used in short bursts, not making it very useful for tech. so now we can kind of get an idea of how useful they are aside from "power diamond make work"

[hushed steeple]

exactly☺️

[tough tide]

okay im gonna hop off lorw chat😎 haveva nice day

[hushed steeple]

Me too
Hope this helped make he world of sky clearer and more interesting☺️

There is also the whole topic of the possibilety of large amounts of darkstone ore in more hight light energy areas being able to do more stuff, boath noticale and subtle, but all of this would be beyond the control of the ancesters, and thus not actually usefull for them
but thats a comleatly different topic thats more in the area of speculation and fanfic, and its getting preaty late for me too, so I will leave this conversation here

[lucid bridge]

This is my theory as to how certain landmasses can float in Sky (for example, the Bird’s Nest and some of the Sanctuary Islands): they have a large amount of natural dark stone inside of them.

[hushed steeple]

yup

though I have to imagine that if there was darstone in them, they would be very fine and spread out, and not the chunks that we see in other places
Otherwise darkstone mineing would have been a big thing in Priery as well

That is, IF the floating islands do have darkstone in them. We will have to wait and see

[lucid bridge]

I also have a theory for why there is a such a huge dark stone at the Eye of Eden. This is a little far-fetched but I like it. It’s basically fan-fiction.
The Prince/King came from the light and was different from the ancestors in that he had a more direct connection with it. He wanted to return to the light and ascend - and not only do that, but also ascend his entire kingdom as well. So, he built a giant dark stone crystal to bring if not everybody, then at least all of Eden up to Orbit with him so they could all experience the ecstasy of rebirth.
This theory appeals to me because I enjoy the narrative of the king being drawn towards reincarnation but also drawn towards his own kingdom. He felt compelled to ascend just as the modern children of light do. So, he decided to ascend everybody. It failed.

[hushed steeple]

Oh wow
And exelant bit of sky fiction if I do say so myself☺️

[lucid bridge]

Thank you

[tough tide]

so yk how i said i was leaving that was an imposter

my question is that in the shattering memory of the eden explosion, there seems to be a king-shaped spear falling from the sky upon the shattering eden crystal. could that be the king, in their failed attempt to ascend early?

[lucid bridge]

oh, I dunno. I thought it was the implement used to forge the dark stone crystal. But maybe it also symbolizes the king very open-ended

I like the idea of the King being a little bit eldritch a little bit unknowable a little bit twisted into a monster beyond comprehension
As they say, power corrupts…

[edgy kernel]

That little detail feels very open to interpretation, heh

maybe they were so close or triggered the shattering themself, and got obliterated or absorbed by the crystal, and that bit of them is all that is left

I kinda personally thought maybe it was a tool made in the shape of the king, like a chisel, meant to hit the crystal at a weak spot and break it, maybe to end the project. Would mean forest elder, who is also closest i believe, might have been the one who struck it with their hammer

[edgy kernel]

but you know, that actually gives me a funny thought. maybe it was a chisel, but they were shaping the crystal right then and trying to form a perfect diamond out of such a huge piece of darkstone, just full of tons of light energy.

I've noticed in none of the scenes we get seeing eden in something like two embers trailers, do we see the crystal at all. maybe they were trying to shape it, and during that process it exploded.

That might make the top of eden like some kind of gigantic forge, built for the express purpose of forming and fueling such a large crystal

[hushed steeple]

Actually, this one image might potentially be the Edan Diamond in use🤔

[light minnow]

Ominous

[edgy kernel]

its hard to tell for me, something is floating up there but it doesn't look like the crystal itself. it might be that is the beam of light going up the mountain, interfered with by the crystal which could be inside just below the top of the mountain

[tough tide]

yk what would be absolutely awesome

[hushed steeple]

Just a thought but I could be wrong

[tough tide]

because the eden crystal is so close to the ascension beam and both have veey high levels of energy, the sometimes interfere causing random bolts of lightning. like lets say the eden crystals energy is negative while the ascension beam is positive, then they will attract and it go boom

[severe flare]

This is a great theory and I feel like it’s not actually that far-fetched! My interpretation of what the downfall of the ancestors was All About thematically was that they were trying to reach ascension because they really longed for it, but couldn’t go there naturally (except maybe after death, but in that case I think they either weren’t aware of that or thought it was better to ascend in life) so they resorted to any means necessary, and failed because of their cruel methods. I like it as a tragic tale of good intentions gone wrong and beings fated to fall because of their nature, but given a second chance at peace from new beings that are sort of the Light’s second try at people (sky kids)

Sorry for text wall lol I just get really into talking about this type of analysis

[soft timber]

This reads as "Good intentions for something good, but the process of doing it is actually pretty bad and now they pay the consequences of doing bad stuff with good intentions is suffering/limbo" and it still holds

[light minnow]

Ohhh i remember you talking about this one a while ago
Or if not you, someone else had a similar idea
Based on how the final post credits image looks similar to the trajectories of our galaxies spreading apart

[rocky grove]

interesting, are these plants in the lake of the oasis different from abyss?

[twilit sky]

nope, also appeare in sanctuary im pretty sure. i think they are just underwater plants

Also I have a question, do we know what this little maybe crystal looking thing is? Or have ideas? Is it a crystal? Is it simply light? Idk. Any ideas? I like to think it is probably a crystal though

[lucid bridge]

It’s our inner light, the one that goes out if we get krilled, and the one we use to light our candles.

[twilit sky]

ah! thank you! i love asking questions here because I like knowing things about these games :3 and it makes writing easier

[plain fern]

Where is the TS Orgin or Aroura

[light minnow]

A fun detail to note is this light is no longer visible when you're holding out your candle
Dunno if that'd help you at all in your writing, but i felt this was worth mentioning

[little gust]

I have a few questions after not playing for a while

1. The Eden crystal exploded?
2. Skykids used to have parents at some point?
3. Who's the Eden elder?
4. What even happened in season of shattering?

[light minnow]

1. The eden crystal we know quite little about
   What we do know is that the elders were there when it shattered because of a shard memory and that something else seems tohave caused it (since you don't seem to know shattering I'll just drop my explainy wall #cozy-sky-discussion message)
2. There's not much evidence regarding sky kids origins, all we know is what their birth into the world looks like because of the new introduction cutscene. There isn't really anything alluding to missing parents or anything
3. the eden elder, also known as the king, is an honestly very mysterious figure
   We know he exists because he shows up in some murals and has a symbol that appears a lot in the game's environment
   And we can assume that he is at least partly responsible for the creation of the eden crystal
   However we do not know what happened to him once the crystal shattered, we just know that he appears nowhere in the game as of rn

[severe flare]

The Eden elder may have been the King of the Sky kingdom based on old concept art, but this isn’t confirmed canon, just a popular theory. And I don’t think sky kids have parents, they aren’t really born the regular biological way - they seem to be formed out of light and I think the closest thing they have to a parent is the Light itself that they came from

Oh wait aster already mentioned the king in their response, whoops 😅

[wheat cypress]

Hey yall does anybody have that old Eden route picture with the king on the mountain with the big scary spiky hands? (Please ping)

[hushed steeple]

Here you go pall
Also added in a little somehing extra😉

[hushed steeple]

erm are the elders even wearing clothes in the 2d pic

[hushed steeple]

Half and half😅
This is from a much older era of the elder concept
I like to call it the golem stage

[hushed steeple]

honestly these designs hit so hard, they had so much potential

[hushed steeple]

Preach into the choir🤣

[hushed steeple]

I acually made collage vidoes of each of the 6 elders, showing there full evolution (as much as I could find it in the concept art I got😅 ) over the develepmental cycle
Wanna see?☺️

Ngl old concept art of elders reminds me of the hollow creatures in the anime bleach

[hushed steeple]

ELDER EVOLUTION

[hushed steeple]

Well one era of there design was. There are way more crazy phases and changes you might not expect
Already posted the link☺️

Okei!

[hushed steeple]

Thank you!!

[hushed steeple]

NP☺️

Tell me what were some of the more suprising parts for you later😁

[wheat cypress]

Oh my gosh thank you 😭😭 I was looking for some of these other images too

[twilit sky]

I hadn’t noticed that and yes it will :D

[nova totem]

Alright, I watched the 2022 sky promo video, and this scene for isle of dawn was shown? I take it as at first isle wasn’t so barren, but instead just like prarie. But once king (I assume he’s the last star) falls, his changes/corruption to sky left it barren? It’s not clicking, doesn’t anyone have any other ideas?

[edgy kernel]

I sorta took it as a passage of time thing, and also taking a moment to use the stars falling as a part of that. I wonder if its like, time flying by, and maybe the stars falling could have been a gradual thing. and in my head atleast i thought maybe the last star would be like, present day, and might be representative of a new sky kid falling out of the sky, i believe at one point dawn was your first view of the game?

huh i haven't been to jellyfish cove since the last red shard, but this whole area got changed again

better view of it from above, heh

also some random bits of light out here that recharge and count towards candle

Its like someone lit a candle, but its not placed anywhere near its spot, and the candle isnt even in the world
Still not super sure what this place is for, but its definitely developing over time.

[raw marsh]

The idea of this giant shadowed man throwing things at you is TERRIFYING TO ME, it’s way Spooker than the Eden we have now, so full of mystery. I hope that it’s revealed that there’s something lurking in the eye of Eden just like what it seems was planned here

[lucid bridge]

There’s that little glowing child

[hushed steeple]

Oh wow, thats interesting
This kinda reminds me of Atolls, but like a geyser version ( do those even have names🤔)

Like maby these were light gasers at different points in time long ago

[edgy kernel]

whats odd is the little mounds of sand in the middle of most all the circles, too

[lucid bridge]

I think it may be related to the upcoming Days of Love event. Just speculation tho

[edgy kernel]

I was thinking two embers, but that would be interesting heh

[vapid ferry]

Much like this

[solid otter]

Could someone brush me up on all of the confirmed lore?? Is there a link to a video or a document?

[hushed steeple]

On the contrery, that mound is exactly what we would expect to find if these were anchant extinct light geyzers.

The newer active one has the spout in the middle. When that eventualy becomes dorment, the spount will colaps on itself and just become a mound

Its all a part of the natural phenomenon😅

The big cyrcle was probably the biggest geyser of them all, and probably preaty old too, as other active spots had poped up within its cyrcle, before they to become dornent

As for the oltar on the big mound....well Im not shure🤔

Looking at it, I think @lucid bridge might be right in assumeing that it has something to do with the Days of love comeing soon

[light minnow]

Oh i'll have to check this area again
Didn't know whole areas sometimes got remade

[hushed steeple]

Nether did I😅
I just went there 30 minutes ago to take the picks

[severe flare]

A lot of this goes into theorizing/speculation territory but I think it goes over all the confirmed lore: https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Amity206/Sky_Lore_Theories

[edgy kernel]

I think the flower that used to be there is gone now, or i missed it. in its place seems to be weird nonexistant candles that got lit somehow

[brave patio]

Yep!! I tried to make sure it has all the lore I could fit in it lol - the end has resources like concept art too!

[severe flare]

yeah I think it’s a great resource for lore beginners, hence why I often link it to people asking for lore docs

also, is this perhaps an art book teaser???? #vault-of-socials message

[plush cave]

Please I was really thinking the same omg!!!!

Enchantment concept art

[light minnow]

The last batch of concept art dropped here didn't get such announcement so i don't expect concept art
I am putting my bets on brand new stuff to bite into

[plush cave]

They have been keeping the old concept art hostage for so long……. I imagine when the artbook is released, we will be able to see more about the making of Sky and the storylines over the years (enchantment… please enchantment )

[light minnow]

I didn't know we had a gap in the concept art for the time of first seasons
Funny how we have concept art that predates the game release by however long, have concept art for the most recent seasons but still nothing for that period in between

My biggest hope is for there to be new things in creature arts
Be it dark or light creatures

[brave patio]

AAAAAAA THANK YOU 🥺🥺🥺

[hushed steeple]

Oh, thats not gone, they just moved it
The sky memorial is now located within the Windy Dunes (aka the region you enter when you travel towards Edan)

[edgy kernel]

the flower was moved there? huh, i guess i'll go running over there again
( this is what i was referring to btw if theres any confusion )

[hushed steeple]

Yes, I remember it being moved there. That was part of the memorial to the passed away sky worker, right?

[hushed steeple]

But then again, with all the recent changes, Im not shure if its still there🤔
I sugest you keep that photo safe until I can make shure

[edgy kernel]

if you are meaning this spot, there isnt a flower, i think its always been a candle?

the flower by the two statues in jellyfish cove was similar to the ones normaly in the prince's area, but it was brightly lit already and doesnt react to you being near it, or well didnt, as it seems to be gone there

i THINK jellyfish cove is the only place around inside the little prince's area which has been getting recent edits?

[hushed steeple]

Yes, I just come back from there
My mistake😓

[edgy kernel]

im gonna look around a bit more thoroughly to see if it just moved, heh

[edgy kernel]

aha, those burnt out candles seem to be white candles, just floating in space here. puts some strength behind this spot being used for days of love, since i'd guess these would probably be some kind of social spot to chat with people.

[hushed steeple]

Good idea
Although Im seeing the statues in the background of that pic which look just like the ones in the middle of the cyrcle
Im assuming the flower was originally found in the area that was changed, or am I mistaken again😅

[hushed steeple]

i guess @lucid bridge was probably right about that☺️
I didnt see anything myself from that event, but from what I've heard is gonna be something really interestng😁

[edgy kernel]

yeah, originally the flower was i believe connected to the main area via land, on just a short bit i think. to get that photo i had to cross the water with a butterfly LOL

[hushed steeple]

Well, if it wasnt moved anywhere, hopefully this can bring it back in a future update😅

[hushed steeple]

Also, what did you think of the anchant sky geyser theory from before?😅

[edgy kernel]

here's a link to an older screenshot of the area from above, you can see it was just the two statues and then the flower, on a separate island

the shape definitely looks like it, but atleast with that photo im not sure why islands form in the middle of these circles

[hushed steeple]

Well I actually explaind that before
Islands in the middle is exactly what we would expect to find if its a former gaiser

[edgy kernel]

ahh, ok

im not able to find the flower around here, but i did notice the water is now deep enough to dive in unlike before

[hushed steeple]

The island in the middle is whats left of the spout from when that geyser use to be active
The initial major eruption created the large cyrcle, while the continues periodic eruptione gives the vulcano shape of the spout, while the force of the bursts made the cyrcle glow even more to some point
Once it becomes inactive, the spout colapses in on itself and smooths out over time, creating a mound

[edgy kernel]

mmm, then it'd make sense with the other boat wreck being there over a still active geyser in the same region

no, that boat wreck right there in the image heh, same area as the remnants of older ones as you thought

[hushed steeple]

Oh, must have missed that🤔

But that just proves my theory
In ages long passed these geysers probably still worked, but maby less periodicly
Some poor unsuspecting sailor must have gotten cought in the burst and got it eruption and got there boat wrecked

[edgy kernel]

thinking about it a bit more, they have used older seasonal areas as spots for days of events, like i think grandma's area had one held there before, sanctuary island has had atleast one held there too.
Evidence leans very hard towards a days of love event instead of two embers like i thought

I dont remember them teasing a days of event like this before, so maybe they've got something real special for this one ( and, to be fair.. #vault-of-socials )

[hushed steeple]

Hotspots for vulcanos and geysers often move over time, so while those are now dorment, the one we have now is much more recent, and therefore stll active

[hushed steeple]

So then.....but home i....then t......by Jove, its so obviace. How did I not see it before

[edgy kernel]

Even days of fortune is being held outside home atm
Maybe they'll be moving whatever other ones that are still in old home out into the world, or into aviary

[hushed steeple]

Think about it, the new Days of Fortune event is gonna have a big buk of its festiveties around the Ice ring in Valley

[hushed steeple]

I was just about to say the exact same thing🤣🤣

[edgy kernel]

we're getting fortune and love almost back to back probably, both held outside home im thinking now, heh
I wonder if they might prefer hosting things outside old home atleast, to get people into the world more heh

[hushed steeple]

I most curtainly think so
Getting people to get out of Home and explore other less traveled areas more has kinda of a thing for TGS

Traing to prevent players from meta gaming and getting stuck in a repetative rout is something that TGS has done many times before

[edgy kernel]

cant blame em, i imagine a lot of people go through the loop of getting stuck into candle running the same thing every day and then burning out hard, and TGC seems very aware of that and want to help change that, heh

[raw moon]

Hi I think this is the right place to ask... does anyone know why some masks have diamonds and some don't?

[cobalt palm]

I think it's only the default and chibi masks which have diamonds which light up, which could be significant in a way, but other are decorated with certain other diamond like patterns that don't light up, such as the Belonging masks on the forehead, a couple of the Gratitude, and Dreams masks have diamond shaped colors on them, abyss has some diamond shaped holes masks,
And the ranger from moments has a distinct diamond shape.

To interpret I don't really see a pattern other than the default ones which light up, maybe indicating a sort of "third eye", as its a similar light to our actual eyes.
Diamond shape during enchantment was associated with the purple light in Vault, and so associated with hidden knowledge, and we know that diamonds are used to record memories of the spirits, (along with our own in shared memories), and to power things, such as lifts, doors, keeping bridges up, in the realms.

So my guess would be that it represents knowledge in some way, but the specific way may be different on each mask.

[raw moon]

That's actually really interesting thank you I didn't realize how many masks didn't have a diamond but yea it being there to represent knowledge makes sense I always thought of it like a "third eye"

[cobalt palm]

Just looking up on the wiki, and other masks do have diamonds too
https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/Masks

Interestingly, all of Enchantment does, reinforcing that it is about some form of knowledge, but then so does the remembrance veteran, so maybe wisdom?

I kinda like the reading of wisdom as it fits very well with the abyss mask.

Commodor has a diamond,
Boatswain, and Angler both have dark diamonds, and Cannoneer is completely broken off, which fits very well to their own stories

Interestingly, hiking grouch from sanctuary has a glowing diamond too

One that's puzzling me is what is special about leaping dancer and sassy drifter from gratitude, as they are the only in that season with that mark

[edgy kernel]

the mask shop in aviary might give some idea to the masks, and the diamond at the top seems to even be made of the same material as the eyes on all the other masks we can wear, if you look at the big mask in the middle when its not lit.

I wonder if maybe originally, those white crystals would light up based on the wearer and those with enough wisdom or knowledge could light up the top one, but later on it was mimicked with the use of darkstone, or substituted with darkstone for some other reason.

Third eye could also have a connection with the idea of enlightenment, and something you can spot here is a little dot in the middle of the head there, heh. If that maybe is a representation of a third eye, i wonder if putting them there at all for people who could light them up might mean something. also replacing them with darkstone makes for a weird thing to think about in that context

sortof a representation of where they came from, maybe
or what they want to go back to

[edgy kernel]

quite curiously i think some of the masks you get from abyss spirits that have darkstone crystals in them, have the crystals removed when you get them

[cobalt palm]

In context of what we know now, using darkstone seems crazy, in the same way we think handling uranium is crazy, but was "fun glowy rocks" when it was discovered

[edgy kernel]

abyss is pretty crazy in that sense because they're all wearing darkstone in some form, even just as accessories like jewelery

[cobalt palm]

Abyss spirits being boss,
"it don't kill you if you're tough enough" mentality

[hushed steeple]

I like this view on how your light on your chest turns into your red candle when you take it out

[dreamy saddle]

Y’all think this part of the performance quest (I think it was?) hints to any of the two embers stuff?

[leaden field]

Making sure this is accurate before posting it in fanart (too lazy to email it to myself rn)

[dreamy saddle]

OK SO
assuming each branch isn't telling the story of the same person, here's what I make of it:
Mostly on the right side-

• The pink line I drew tells the story of the candlemakers (or candlemaker and whatever the other one was) meeting each other and making a cave in isle into their home, eventually having a child of their own "they would one day welcome another"

• The prince, a fallen star, is taken in by candlemaker family

• this also maybe foretold in a mural showing three people in a boat (dunno where this mural would be if it is anywhere in the game?) with the statement in this image that he is 'destined ot become the fourth'? speculation.

• actually as i write this i see its 'three figures on boats' boats being plural so maybe this bit refers to a backstory for the prophets? or maybe there's some other instance where 3 and then eventually 4 of a person have gone out on boats for some reason

• the discovering fate of companion bit makes me feel like either 1) steward went off for a bit and prince sought out isle elder to go find him or 2) which makes sense if it is actually post-shattering, would be maaaybe steward goes to find what happened to the prince? but this doesn't make sense if he's been locked away in aviary all this time so idk. i think its most likely that this refers to either us as the player trying to uncover the story, or the prince going to look for the steward or something. I'm just very curious on who the 'companion' is

anyways the upper left box makes me think the shattering is what then led to more sky kids, assuming the prince was sort of the first one. "where one star shone, countless other pinpricks emerged" maybe metaphor for a multitude of sky kids? idk

and a star was dying out but split into the creatures of light? "the end of one sparked the new life of another" honestly could also apply to sky kids when u think about it. also maybe a take on this could be that, going way way back, the megabird/The Light was not always involved in a sort of rebirth cycle, but rather was a star on the brink of death and thus fragmented into reincarnating creatures in order to stay alive?

[strong edge]

Firstly, I’d like to just revisit the idea of the symbolism of the diamonds
I’ll be referring to the element as darkstone
Raw darkstone can be found in nature, beautiful and a result of untouched land and the balance of nature, and showing much time passed, and interacting (but not taking) light!
Harvested/refined darkstone is symmetrical, out of nature, and harming to the environment — it also holds and redirects/transfers light!
Corrupted Darkstone, a result of greed and harm, taking from the world without giving back. It’s a way to show how much hurt greed had been taken before erupting.
Memory darkstone, holding memories, often refined in small parts within technology, holding past knowledge — and my own personal theory is they hold forms of consciousness too, not only for memories but the consciousness of the light creatures when.. you know and then they’re trapped in there just like our rememberance memory lanterns

With this in mind, can it help us better understand the symbolism of the masks?

[lucid bridge]

I feel like half those stories are about children of light and the other half are about the Prince, with the ones about the light without any mention of children being origin stories of the Light itself. Also all this is viewed through the spirits of Performance themselves so I think we can assume some of these are stories passed down through the ancestors for generations (like the prince ones and the Light origin ones)

[dreamy saddle]

Ah yes good point about the context being that of the performance

[boreal creek]

The Lore of Sky Is more complicate than the Lore of Kirby

[obsidian flower]

I don't know if this counts here but do we have any idea if krills can be befriended/tamed like how crabs are? I'm assuming the crab with the crab call spirit is a tamed one and friendly, and we see some crabs in the village even if just babies/smaller (which I'd assume are pretty harmless)

I remember crabs being part of the darkness creatures in the wiki along with the krills so ...

Also recall there's harmless krills in the mischief area but they could've just made an exception

[livid pelican]

That's true...

Well I think about the cosmetics for the Season of Shattering. That might be an implication.

[boreal creek]

None change my Mind

[livid pelican]

Does Kirby have tangibility?

[boreal creek]

No, he Is less complex

I was saying complicate

[livid pelican]

Cause Sky:Cotl lore is based off of headcanon and interpretation. Does the same go for the lore of Kirby?

And maybe fun facts from the devs

[boreal creek]

Yes, because there are talking about the characters there on the games, not like CANDLEMAKERS there are not even on the game

[livid pelican]

You confuse me a little.
But I'll believe that based off of what I glimpsed.

[boreal creek]

Alright

[brave patio]

It’s possible some of these stories are about the Prince? While the “silent child” could be us, it could also be him, and the “as the prophecy foretold” could also refer to him

[drifting heath]

Okay lore chat, tell me everything you know about light awaits

[drifting heath]

Lore chat has been dead for an hour now- hello-?

[pastel brook]

🛏️

[light minnow]

Dw you'll get an answer eventually
It's normal to have periods of downtime

[dense inlet]

Light Awaits is like the beta version of Sky before the game was globally released. The game is still Sky, but it has different features compared to the global release.

Do know that I'm not a Light Awaits player and I'm just trying to remember what I've read and heard about the game. If I make any mistakes, please correct me. Thank you.

One of the differences between Light Awaits and the global version is that in Light Awaits, the capes there were more detailed, but it got toned down because devices may not handle the detail.

Another difference is that when you get attacked by a krill, you don't lose winged light, but emotes.

I think the Aviary was part of Sky Light Awaits, but now, it's now part of the global version ✨

I think there is a video in YouTube of someone's playthrough of Sky Light Awaits and I think there are some videos of such playthroughs.

This is all I know about Sky Light Awaits. I hope this helps and I hope you don't mind pings. Apologies for ping as well

[valid pulsar]

Light awaits aviary was so different I kind of was disappointed as saw the revival aviary like instant nostalgic were crushed to pieces

[distant turtle]

Maybe if the history is long enough they did dress something like this at an earlier age. I guess it could be, because of the designs above the doors on prairie and forest temples.

[river parcel]

I have quite a few things-

1. At the beginning of the game we’re told to restore the realms of sky. But, we die in Eden no matter what, then reincarnated. So doesn’t that mean The world of Sky is forever doomed? That Sky can never be saved?
2. in the hidden forest, all the trees and rocks are huge… are we tiny?!?

[distant turtle]

I take it as we are linking Sky world back to Orbit and that Revival season means the spirits have some vitality back in Sky world now

[kindred summit]

1. I believe it’s the trappings of a live service game. It’s structured so that you play indefinitely. But when you ascend to Orbit, you fly alongside the Spirits you met (the souls who were trapped in purgatory) and the children who also climbed the mountain of Eden in their own journey. In the scope of your own singular journey, you save all of the souls trapped in this land which is long devoid of “human-like” life, which was your ultimate purpose.
   So in a roundabout way of answering your question, yes, civilization in Sky is long over/doomed, since all “human-like” life is long gone, and Sky children are believably an entirely different organism sent from the heavens.

Revival as a Season and the Aviary as a concept finally gives the Spirits a place to rest outside of Orbit, so it’s the closest we get to a facsimile of restoring civilization. But the reality is that all the Spirits are just that, incorporeal Spirits.

2. All of the trees and rocks in this world are also large in comparison to the Spirits who came before us. It’s hard to gauge, but either everything resembling human life is small in this world, or all the trees are very large in this world.

[hushed steeple]

Actually its beem kinda comfermed that sky kids are just really small as a species. with the hight of a chiby being a bit over 2 feet (basicly todler sized)

When comparing the hight of chiby's to the spirits, there hight corespond preaty well to the expected hights of humans, with child spirits being child sized, most spirits ranging from 5-6 feet, and especially tallest spirits being just above 7 then foot . That fits waaaay to well to just be a coincidence

So yes, we sky small😅

[kindred summit]

Can you link me to a developer/artist statement about confirmed height, outside of concept art? I'm interested and don't remember reading about it

[hushed steeple]

This is the best I could find as a sorce right now

[hushed steeple]

Even if its not 100% acurate to the inch, I think its a reasonable enough generable estimate of sky kid size given the relative hight of boath the office and the other spirits to sky kids

[hushed steeple]

I take it your not pleased with the sorce then😅

[kindred summit]

It may seem I'm unpleased because I was asking for an official statement only. The office may not have been made with the rest of the Sky world in mind. It's made to be conscientious/to scale to something in the real world. It's not a confirmation of whether anything else in the game (mostly the fantastical environments) are to scale.
I'm not upset at anything. It's still a good source for theorycrafting until an official statement is made. It's useful for theoretically scaling Sky assets to our real life.

[hushed steeple]

I compleatly understand you, and sympathise with your consern. It would be nice to have an official statemant from TGS themself about the size of skykids.

However I do still strongly belive that its a good general estemat (not an exact one) of the relative size of sky kids compared, not neceserally becouse of the Office itself, but mostly becouse of how increadably well the sizes of the ancesters overlap with what we would expect a human of that age/shape/gender to be, when compared to a chibi and its calculated hihgt, as well as many of the objects in the game proper like the lanterns and the belongng table.

Like I said before, the exact inches arent that inportant, its more the general feel for the size of sky kids (aka, todler-small child sized)

[grim horizon]

Lorechat. What are we hearing from eden?

[light minnow]

I think this is distorted wind sounds?
At least partly

[fallow axle]

Hello lorechat!! I'm new here... I have a question... Do spirit can have children? I've been questioning that in myself for years 🙂

[astral tulip]

krill shrieks?

[lucid bridge]

I sure think so. The Season of Gratitude was basically about a spirit family. The Sightseer can be seen running around the Aviary with a little child. There’s also the Pleading Child spirit from the Season of Remembrance, and the veteran who mourns their child. Not to mention the Assembly spirits (all juveniles) and the Revival guide.

[hushed steeple]

What @lucid bridge is quite true😊.
They should be able to have children and even families given all the examlples, even if we dont know how the "you know what" works in sky😅

Also, a small note since your new, you should be asking if Ancesters can have children, since spirits are just the "spirits" of those sky people😅

[valid pulsar]

Can give some very cool thing to watch it’s even said in like literally said https://youtu.be/FwcNVlpymNk?si=ZJ40uq-H2BiHE5YD

[fallow axle]

Thank you so muuchhh!! Anyway I am comfortable and more used calling them spirit, I hope you understand 😊

[hushed steeple]

Thats perfectly alright dear☺️. I know a lot of people do that too.
Just saying this so you dont get confused by other posts later on, or get wrong asumptions about the lore

[fallow axle]

Thank yooouuu so much for the advice!!!

[kindred summit]

Very interesting, forwarded to a friend as well!

[upper mortar]

Isn't it weird that the trees we've seen in the game so far are glowing?

I'm not talking about the trees in hidden forest, those are dead and they don't even have leaves.

I'm talking about the trees from Days of Bloom and the Concert (Exhale inhale section). What do you think is the reason behind it? Why is their trunk glowing and their leaves also recharges a Skid's wings for some reason.

Aside from that, I kinda wanna learn more about the floras in Sky. Especially the light blooms, are they a plant or a mushroom? Because they seem to be growing from dead trees.

There appears to be more plant life underwater than it does on the surface. Treasure Reef has a lot of glowing seaweed that recharges wings, allowing skids to remain submerged for as long as they wish, and Sanctuary island has corals that replenishes oxygen for skids underwater

[dense inlet]

Trees in Sky are glow sticks confirmed /j

[dense inlet]

I think some trees that are shown in the game are trees that are part of memories. Correct me if I'm wrong since it's been a while since I became consistent (in some way) in Sky

I also think that the reason why some trees glow or have something like that in the game is because that light is a fundamental thing in the game. Light is always involved in the worldbuilding of Sky

The observation that there's more plant life underwater than on land made me think because that is true. I thought of some interpretations:

• It's easy to exploit the environment that you can reach (but oceans, seas, and other water forms can still be exploited)
• Perhaps the tides and waters rose. The environment may have faced drastic changes due to the exploitation and pollution
• Or there's just really more plant life underwater and that's it

That's what I think and these are based on my interpretations and thoughts

[upper mortar]

If the glowing trees we saw were indeed just memories, that's kinda sad because that would mean there are no trees left in the world of Sky.

But then i remembered that there are still saplings left on each realms. The Lightseeker group cycles through each members and have them "harvest" light from these saplings whenever we get Admire the sapling for 60 seconds daily quest.

Do you think these spirits are harvesting light from these saplings and are trying to bring back the trees into the Kingdom of Sky?

I imagine that the Lightseeker spirits are taking bits of light from the saplings and plant them on a secret place that even the skids couldn't get to.

[hushed steeple]

Perhaps
I think what @dense inlet said is mostly true, and I feel the first of the 3 options he proposed is the most likely
As for the " memory" part, Im not entirely shure if the saplings we admire are the same as the tree's we observe in the memories of spirits (like the one in Voult for intant). Those are deffinetly just memories, but I feel there's probably more to the saplings than that

[dense inlet]

I think there are still trees in Sky. Hidden Forest still has them

[dense inlet]

I'm also a she btw! Thank you for your insight as well!

[hushed steeple]

Also remember that Forest has Light blooms, which like the sky seaweed seams to be another type of more primitive light plant
Im guessing the world is not ready yet for full grown light tree's given its state, with only lesser light plants and comman vegetatioon being present for now

[dense inlet]

I have this thought that skykids are sent to the world in order for the world to be saved

And that the spirits are working as well. It's another interpretation of mine or something like that. Perhaps the Lightseeker spirits are taking care of saplings and finding light to care for those saplings

[hushed steeple]

Oh, so sorry about that😞
Im usually use "they" for people I dont know, but Im kinda in a hurry now😅

[dense inlet]

Got it and it's alright dw!

[hushed steeple]

This is deffinetly how I see things too
We are here too..
...(Oh, have to go now, will talk later on the subject)...
Bye

[lean kayak]

How do we know all the trees are dead and dont have leaves if the top part of the trees are hidden in the clouds above? Those trees are tall as heck

The bell towers in prairie supposedly are mountain tops coming peeking out of clouds as well

Remember isle of dawn is at sea level and we go up to the temple in the clouds, then entering to fly to the prairies

For example valley is also covered in clouds we dont know whats hidden in there

[hushed steeple]

Wanted to give my two sence on this

The way I see it, the perpetual dark clouds and neverending storm what we see in Edan (and also parts of starlight desert) are coused and mentained by the Edan Diamond.
The realm of Valley is found withing a massive mountain range that cuts through the continent and acts as a sort of natural barier for said storm, which is why the change from Valley to Waistland is so sudden

The problems in Forest is unconected to whats going on in the lands beyond Valley, though it might share couses with it. Its inportant to note that much of the realm of Forest is a lowlend, similar to Waisltand, and it to is bordered by the Mountains of Valley and the Lighlands that are in the region between it and Priery

[lusty turret]

does anyone have any info on why the king krill is under the water
like lore wise cuz im curious

[light minnow]

We have no information on the leviathan aside from what we see of it ourselves, and it being depicted in the one mural of the building

[lean kayak]

I think everything is connected to the Eden storm because it's a very big storm which covers a huge part of the lands in Sky. You can see there is a lot of sunlight at the beginning of Forest and there is clean water, no (acid) rain so I think everything there is alive until you get to the graveyard/mine area

I also think that before the storm even happened, there were way less clouds but we don't know that

[hushed steeple]

I agree with you there, but I will add something to that

It has been hinted in the original concept art that the storm that raviged the land of sky was much stronger dureing its hight at the begining, and then very very sowly calmed down until it reached a new equalibrium. In the span of the Storm era, darkness spread across the land, but as time went on, it slowly started to heal ( to a point), enough that cycle of light can resue, but it still being desolated

While there is no direct comformation in the current canon that this is still the case, I think it does make some sence when you look at the world. of sky today.

Let me explain

[hushed steeple]

Its possible that initially all realms were effected by the storm, the eruptions, and the spread of darkness that coused, not different realms recovered from it at different pase.
This depended on there elevation, the distance from Edan, and the abundones of light energy and clear winds to hult the effects of darkness

So Priery and Valley would have probably been the first realms to get through the worst of the storm, and so had the most time to recover from its effects, which is why they (Priery in partiual being extra distant from Edan) are so full of life

Isle is also very far, but being at sea level it got hit for a very long time, leaving the land a desert even though there is little to no darkness in it

Waistland on the other hand is the oposit. The storm that sweaped at the start of the Storm Age is very much still in effect becouse of the Edan Diamond

[dull igloo]

Does anyone have the lore on the valley elders? I’m curious to know their story

[lucid bridge]

Based on what is in-game, all we know about the Valley Elders is that they both ruled over the Valley and participated in games. Their land was probably the most populous (based on all the residential buildings we see) and relied very heavily on darkstone technology. There aren’t any factories in the Valley that we can see, so they probably got their darkstone from Wasteland factories. Indeed, some of the Valley may have participated in the war of the Wasteland as we see some Valley athletes wearing soldier helmets. There are also many gilded gravestones in the various temples of the Valley, implying that the Valley Elders memorialized outstanding athletes and performers by honoring them with a tombstone in the most sacred areas of the realm. When the Eden crystal exploded, the Valley Elders disappeared (we can see them in the Elder shattering memory). Their realm collapsed and the games, obviously, stopped; and the elders were trapped in the spirit realm we see them in when we meditate at their temple, where we also free them with our light to Orbit.

[lucid bridge]

There is also a theory abt. a theoretical “Valley Priestess” based on concept art that’s mostly a fun fan theory with little basis on the main game. I can’t link the post here for some reason. If you want to learn more, you’d have to look up “Valley Priestess sky lore” on tumbler.

[gray sky]

I replayed the last part and completely forgot about this last part, if there a chance that the one in the middle is the Eden elder?

[lucid bridge]

Hell yeah

The King, formerly the Prince (NOT the Little Prince though). We don’t know what happened to him, but there are theories. My favorite theory is that he is the little light child we see after we die on Eden - the one we hug. But nothing is said outright.

[lucid bridge]

@dull igloo

[dull igloo]

Thank you! Very interesting

[gray sky]

What does this one mean?

[lucid bridge]

I believe it shows the Eden Elder/King on top of Eden, with the un-exploded dark crystal, surrounded by followers all praying. The three shapes to either side of the figure symbolize the six other realms. A lot of Sky lore is ambiguous so you can also draw your own conclusions.

[gray sky]

Thank you

[cobalt palm]

It does also look a lot like the temple at the top of vault

[rustic arch]

OKAY SKY THEORISTS

ANY THEORIES ABT WHY SAHMEKH WAS SPLIT INTO TWO?

[cobalt palm]

One thought is they represent competition, another is that it's one of the main splits we see between the society between the citadel and the villages

[dull igloo]

I love to think that the king is the glowing child at the end of Eden. Like he’s sitting there, unsure of what to do or how to fix it, he feels guilty and lost, and we go up to him and hug him, and that’s like us forgiving him, and he moves on. It’s my favorite theory