lore-discussion-spoilers

[lucid bridge]

Idek if the owls are even real. They only show up in the trial of fire, right?

Maybe they’re some sort of primordial darkness beast. If there’s a megabird, then maybe there’s a counterpart? I would assume that would be the emptiness of space because megabird is in space. Idk

[edgy kernel]

being alone in space is probably the coldest, darkest, and most unconnected you could be, heh

[lucid bridge]

The inside of the red crystals is called the void. Void of space. Hm.

[hushed steeple]

Hard to say
the owl are more remenisent of the much older concept of what dark creatures would look like
I wouldent want to write them off as being imaginary, but there is a lot of information thats lacking about this

Personally I dont want to make too wild theorys about dark creatures beyond what we have evidence for in the game, especially since I am hopeing that the animated series could fill in some of the major holes in the lore about them

[edgy kernel]

I'd say make some wild theories and see if any of em track even remotely to two embers

personally i think the light creature they use to carry around the house will 100% turn into krills.
not a well thought out idea but i had a really cursed thought today with yalls discussion earlier of ancestors being made of stone and being dark creatures and eating light creatures, combining with my thoughts of everyone vanishing from eden
simply put: what if krills are eden ancestors who got corrupted, and are roaming around like messed up spirits who are constantly hungry for more light

[light minnow]

actually this reminds me
do we have any knowledge on how long until Two Embers is done? or do have have no information and just have to wait

[edgy kernel]

nothin yet i dont think

[hushed steeple]

Hahahaha, I supoase you have a point. Maby going a bit crazy from time to time isnt too bad😅

[light minnow]

was it announced long ago or is it a recent project?

[hushed steeple]

Its gonna air in March

[edgy kernel]

some of the footage for it ( and a little bit extra that isnt in the trailer for two embers ) was shown all the way back when the game launched on the nintendo switch, with its sorta cinematic trailer. wasn't called that back then though

[hushed steeple]

They said the pilot is comeing out in March, so I dont entirelly know if were gonna have to wait more for the regular releases, or if we're gonna get a stedy schedual starting from march

[light minnow]

alright
thanks

[edgy kernel]

didnt know about the march timing, interesting!

originally my thought was we'd get a season to go with it but maybe not heh

[hushed steeple]

well the season after the next one would come out around March-April

[edgy kernel]

seasons last like 80-90 days dont they? would be odd if the next season starts in feb and ends in late april

[tawdry copper]

Around 70 days usually

[hushed steeple]

I mean, they last 70-77 days, with a 14-21 day wait period between, soooo...kinda

If your still here, I wanted to show you something

[lucid bridge]

Hi

[hushed steeple]

THE EVOLUTION OF THE VOULT ELDER

[light minnow]

that first one i can't
gremlin boi
wheeze

[lucid bridge]

A little critter…

[hushed steeple]

There was probably a much older pure animal form of this, but thats lost to time at this point
There is a posibility that this Monkey could have been her, but it could have just been a dead end from the earl days

Some of the elders deffinetly have a few gapes in there develeplant, as far a the concept art is consern
Im traing my best to find all possible depictions of the elders and put them in a timeline

Hopefully tomorrow I can be finished

A little sneak peak, this is what Waisltand elder was like before he started going to the gym🤣

If any of you have any super obscure concept art of the elders, pleese let me know

I have mined everything there is from "7 days of sky" and "Tom Zhao", so please dont send me anything from there😅

[light minnow]

makes me think
maybe you could make like a document that gathers all the concept art and things you've scavenged
seems like you have a lot of things in your concept art stash, every time i talk with you i learn about new ones

[grim horizon]

IS THAT AN AURORA-/srs

[hushed steeple]

Yes, maby I should.
Oh wait.....😋

[hushed steeple]

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1U9lRjFAhTiDb6O-7GTuWcAdEepN5GkgF

[hushed steeple]

Mind you this is something I did 2 years ago, and its in sereous need of reorganasing, but I think it should do😅

Ok, time for me to go to bead1
Hopefully tomorrow I'll have the elder evolutions finished

😴😴😴😴😴😴

[severe flare]

god I would kill for a sky art book 😭

[edgy kernel]

same

[grim horizon]

skykids, it is indeed an aurora

[proper oracle]

Pretty!

[hushed steeple]

I doubt it has any relevance, prolly just a part of the wintery look

[grim horizon]

yup

[hushed steeple]

it looks really nice, I hope they keep it

[dusk zephyr]

it predates Season of AURORA as well, I have recorded clips from January 2022 where it's visible.

[still wadi]

Anyone remember the name of the song playing in grandmas snow hut?

[dusk zephyr]

should be Ode to Joy

[hushed steeple]

I mostly mute my sky cuz the game already drain my phone as it is- I was surprised Grandma listen to such high class music (fitting ngl)

[obsidian inlet]

Speaking strictly sky, what do you think the primary elements are? Like the greatest forces in the world. It seems like there is the light, the physical, the esoteric (hovering mysticism stuffs), and the dark.

I'm curious to hear if you guys thing there is anything else? Something between light and physical perhaps like fire? Or something between dark and the physical world like poison?

Ever since I saw this in the concept art my brains been woorkin

[quiet bison]

has anyone noticed how the top of the portals have the elders heads, and edens portal has five heads on it? ik its not all the elders because theres 7 elders in the relms before eden. so could this imply that theres 5 elders in eden? or maybe theres were elders before the current 7?

[obsidian inlet]

So there are actually 6 of the elders masks on the door, this is evident by the mask above the door of valley being the split mask of the twin elders. The split mask motif is also shown on the Eden door just close together

All the masks corelate well except for 1, isle elder. There are multiple theories as to why he is not included. Some say he turned his back on advancement of the society and the construction of Eden, others say he saw the prophecy as a dark omen and refused to help the prince and king further dark stone research. The lore is pretty iffy and opinions differ wildly

[obsidian inlet]

My personal belief is that the elder of Isle disapproved of the lack of adherence to the old ways, industrialization had blocked migration paths of light creatures and as such his duty as a form of ferryman and guide had been impeded as he had to watch sacred creatures suffer.

There is often depicted in the game a war between 2 factions those that use a diamond crest more representative of the industrialized kingdom, and those that carry a star symbol representing light and the old ways. I'm of the mind that Isle actively denounced the construction of Eden, and rebelled against the slaughter and experimentation on sacred creatures.

[quiet bison]

that gives me a different point of view about my theory! i think the isle elder maybe tried to warn them but they just got mad? i didnt actually notice the twins on the eden door so i thought it ment something else. i feel like they did turn on isle elder though and a conflict definitely happened. i feel like because isle elder wasnt included, isle of dawn didnt get effected, because there is no darkness, you dont get dailies there, and there is less spirits than the rest of the relms.

[obsidian inlet]

Eden was once a place of ritual, in cave of prophecy it shows people would go there on pilgrimage, he probably denounced the construction of Eden as it desecrates the mountain, hence his lack of inclusion and shunning.

I also had a theory that the discussion about it happened in the vault, hence why on the second floor with the 4 person door there are 6 chairs at the table and one is knocked over, seemingly in rage. A table much too big for non elders

(I assume the twins would share a chair only because they are some of the smallest of the elders and are 2 halves of 1 entity)

[quiet bison]

i actually never thought about that! i often just go to the candle cake and leave so i never stopped to think about why there is a giant table. i think the knocked over was most likely isle elder. i havent payed too much attention to little details like murals or areas like the four player door. so i never really decipher the lore and what happened. i might log on just to see things ive missed

[obsidian inlet]

It's super fun to just pick things apart, I love lore and sky gives me just enough to be intrigued without spelling it out for me. The conflicts of the world are my favorite cause there were multiple separate conflicts.

The first against the light beasts once they started to retaliate against things like the wasteland fort being built as it disrupted migratory patterns. The next and most likely last, traditionalist rebels against industrialized kingdom

Then several post disaster skirmishes with the remaining dark spawned from the world's decay

[hushed steeple]

The thing is.....mention of a sky artbook being in the works had existed since the middle of 2022.
Until a few months ago, I belived that was only a myth, kinda like the sky animation was back then.

Buuut...sky animation is REAL, and with any luck, so will this one day

https://twitter.com/CecilKimLA1/status/1552434061234569216

[obsidian inlet]

I'm working on my sky table top again (go figure) and was wondering if anyone had any ideas for common occupations I can make into character backgrounds from the world of sky?

So far I have shipwright, light catcher, chime maker, passage acolyte, scholar, sailor, smith, and performer

[brave patio]

Since those are supposed to be Running Wayfarer’s memories I would assume it’s them, they should have made it clearer though

[brave patio]

Mask maker, megabird priest, shepherd of light creatures?

[obsidian inlet]

Ooohhhh I like, all good ones :3

[lucid bridge]

You could probably also use some common occupations here on earth, because they probably exist in Sky as well. Like bricklayer, carpenter, farmer, medic, plumber, engineer (of various types), chef, teacher, blacksmith etc

[obsidian inlet]

Fair ye, I may just make a general tradesmen background and have the option of a proficient tool type

[hushed steeple]

That reminds me, I was planing on telling you this when I first learn about it, but I forgot
LIGHT HARVESTER

In preary there are memory's of ancesters useing special rods to gather the exess light energy from the enviromant and passing light creature migrations, and then store that in jars for storage.
You see these pots and staffs in the priery cave and also masive stores of jars in the main Priery temple, where harvested light was likely stored in bulk and then distributed back or used for trade

The Hermit living on the top of Dream village mountainalso had jars and light staffs (along with axe's and other stuff). so he was probably living self sufficiant and DIY his light.

Light harvesting is sky would basicly be the equivelent to farmer in the sky universe

[hushed steeple]

Another thing could be animal care and tameing
The birds nest in priery and to a possible extent the butterfly rock at the start seam to imply that ancesters built structures ment to take care of sky creatures
This could aslo extend to tameing them or otherwise haveing some use from the creatures, kinda like sky version of animal husbandry.
In the pre-crystal era this probably didnt involve them eating them or anything of the sort, and I feel it was mutually beneficial for boath sky creatures and ancesters

[devout storm]

What if Aurora is the reason of the wars? You see the people worshiping her and wanting to free the light creatures from the Dark King. So he declared war and things got out of control and extinction happened.

[hushed steeple]

I dont see that happening😅
Aurora was not a thing in the old days. She wasnt a seperate godess or had any active role or influance in what was happening

[tawdry copper]

Maybe not AURORA so much as Megabird itself. And even then it wouldn't be a cause, per se. It's possible that everyone in the Sky kingdom worshipped Megabird, including the King himself. A theory I have about the King that I just thought about is that... y'all remember the concept of "divine right of kings"? It's possible the King believed Megabird gave him the "divine right" to rule over the Sky kingdom and thus use his power to further the darkstone manufacturing. This might be at least one cause of the war, cuz there could have been people who believed Megabird wouldn't have allowed the mistreatment of Light Creatures, that the King didn't have a "divine right" to abuse his power. That's just a theory though

[hushed steeple]

That feels a lot closer to what really happened.
That being said we dont really know what the king was really like in the current canon. There's a lot of concept art about him, but his story has changed so much over the course of developmant that he ended up being removed from the original release of the game ,with the exeption of a single memory of him ariveing and a single mural of him at the end of Voult.
We do know he was deffinety a tyrant at the end given the Voult mural and all the statues of him in Waistland, but a lot of his journey up to that pont is kind of a mystery right now😅

[plain fern]

When will Sky Children become Adults?

[devout storm]

They worshipping Aurora and her Queendom 😆

[severe flare]

I dont think sky kids ever become adults

[young lance]

now that the season entirely is over LOLLLL i can say this: the blindfold cosmetic kind of reaffirms the theory that skykids use echolocation to navigate surroundings

[light minnow]

If you already went to eden this week, that's why
You have to wait for sunday for the corpses to reset if you've already helped them on a previous run

[tawdry copper]

A) Wrong channel, this should be either in #questions-and-help or #eden-spoilers, B) You may have already done Eden this week

[hushed steeple]

Its quite alright dear☺️
Your new

[severe flare]

Why the sob react on this? Personally I think being a kid forever would be pretty great

[devout storm]

I think the game takes lot of lore from the hebrew/aramaic scriptures…
Game is very judeo-christian. With some hindu but I dont know much about other religions..

[tawdry copper]

Personally, I think Skykids can become adults based on the fact that the description of the Tall spell says "Grow into an adult for 10 minutes", it's just that they stay pretty small. Or Skykids can become adults but we don't see it happen in game

[hushed steeple]

I would say Buddhism and Hindu concepts like Brahman are a huge influance on Sky, and together have perhaps as much if not more so then judeo-christian influance

[tawdry copper]

The game takes a lot of inspiration from many different cultures/religions, it's interesting to learn about them

[hushed steeple]

That is very true
There is also Zoroastrianism with the eternal clash between light and shadow, and the deep conection between light and fire

there are probably a lot of other cultural influances, and thats not even going into the whole Hayao Miyazaki Ghibli influance

[hushed steeple]

I dont think thats really the case
Despite popular beleaf, bats are not blind. They have limited but still functional sight that they use to get around. Useomg echolocation is definetly super usefull for finding hidden prey in darkness, but the bat need to be shouting the whole time there flighing for it to be in use. Its great for what the bat needs, but its also exhousting to use all the time.
And becouse of that echolocation is not compatible with sky kids, as we would need to be in a perpetual state of honking whenever we move anywhere, and with the speed and distance that we are covering in flight, it would also not be much use for navigating the world.
Its one thing to think that sky kids have echolocating abileties, but its another to say that its the main way we observe the world

[lucid bridge]

That’s a fascinating theory. Mind elaborating? I’d love to hear it.

[young lance]

Well it had just been dissapproved in the message aboce XD so its not a good theory it seems

[young lance]

Thanks for the correction, I agree with you,

[hushed steeple]

Im sorry😅
I dont want to be such a downer, but this is a theory that people keep comeing up with all the time, and it doesnt make nearly as much sence as they think it does
I've had people complain a lot becouse I argue aginst it, so I can be a little row on this subject😅

[young lance]

Since the spirit that provided the blindfold cosmetic is a monk: monks that follow the Way of the Blind Man tradition believe that sight is a distraction, that the eyes lie and the other senses allow one to see the true reality. These Monks improve their physical abilities by blinding themselves

[light minnow]

I do think sky kids have something other than sight, but i feel it'd probably be based around light still rather than sound

[hushed steeple]

Yes, yes, thank you😁

[young lance]

Well, they kind of have a third eye(?) while wearing some masks

[hushed steeple]

Sorry, I know this is a rediculass thing for getting so worked up about, but its a pet peave for me when people always jump to echolocation when it comes to seeing without seeing😅. Thats not how it works

[light minnow]

I find it interesting that we have maskless sky kids, and that their eyes are closed without it
They can still work just fine with their eyes closed, but i do wonder what is the relation between sky kids and their mask

[young lance]

Thats ok

[agile nimbus]

Maybe they can’t see/remember peoples faces, so the masks help to identify friends?

[light minnow]

That'd be possible but it wouldn't explain the fact that they close their eyes when maskless

[severe flare]

Well the spell is temporary and theres no other way to “become an adult” so I dont think the fact that sky kids can use potions to temporarily become adult height necessarily proves that they can become adults naturally. And personally I think the themes of eternal childhood are important to the game, the idea of children being the only ones who can save the souls of the ancestors is pretty powerful to me, plus the fact that there was a TLP collab when a huge theme of that story is hanging on to your inner child - and I have some personal interpretations that repression of “childish” things like play, being too emotional, etc was one of the things that led to the ancestors’ downfall so that’s why a race of children is needed to heal them. But this is getting into very speculative territory, and obviously it’s just my interpretation and other people can see things differently - sorry for the big text wall I just feel strongly about this interpretation of the game!

[hushed steeple]

Hard to say.
We do see a few ancesters without masks and they all have eyes.
This is a case where the limitations of the game make it hard to really figure out some some things about sky kid anatomy
Like...its hard to see any of our fingers on the models, but in the animations they show boath clear fingers and even finger nails

[light minnow]

It's true that game limitations exist, but i don't feel that limitations are really in play when it comes to eyes?
Overall the game has quite good detail on sky kid eyes, we even get to see their eyelids close and stuff

[hushed steeple]

true
I guess I was refearing more to facial features for maskless kids and ancesters there😅

[plain fern]

Why don’t they have mouths

[light minnow]

Interestingly enough they're still able to drink despite having no visible mouth

[severe flare]

One thing thats interesting wrt the ancestors’ use of masks is that are a decent amount of base game spirits that dont wear masks, but over time it seems that the new spirits always wear masks, even if its just the basic one. And i think in all the two embers teasers every ancestor is seen wearing a mask? It makes me wonder if TGC originally imagined that masks were less of a thing among ancestors than sky kids, but eventually retconned it so that masks are always worn by everyone

[hushed steeple]

Hard to say,
Looking at the concept art evolution of sky kids, TGS kinda went back and forth on showing there mouths😅

[devout storm]

Sky kids probably have too powerful eyes so they close them to not blind anyone

[plain fern]

Or maybe after a Stare contest

[severe flare]

Ooh so like the masks are a way to contain their power, I’d never thought of that

[devout storm]

Maybe their light would evaporate the ghosts 😂 those spirits only need a little bit of light to ascend.

[hushed steeple]

Not really
While we might debate what the masks are ment to represent in-universe, there is a very clear and inperate game development reason that TGS has already stated

[obsidian inlet]

What would those reasons be, I'm interested now lol

[haughty ledge]

(Eden spoilers)
||first time in orbit with my camera and while I was getting pictures of the megabird galaxy thing in the sky i noticed this lined constellation near the back of it, do we know the significance of that? It looks kinda like the groups of skids you see on the way in, which makes sense since it's coming from that direction. I couldn't find any other stars with the constellation lines drawn between them within the orbit landscape, so presumably this is significant somehow.||

[hushed steeple]

Sky kids are not ment to represent any ethnicity, race.....
They are a blank slate for the players to put themselfs into.
The only thing that maters is what the player present thereselfs, and as such the different masks and cosmetics are ment to acomplish that

What we are under the mask is compleatly irrelevant, just as how we look like behind the phone screens is irrelevant when meating new players

[dusk zephyr]

Yeah that's the same mural on the friend constellation in Home/Aviary
Though I guess it's less obvious now that it's no longer two separate icons.
(not that I'm complaining that it was merged)

[obsidian inlet]

Ah that's neat. Also makes sense. I like the approach where the ancestors, sky kids, and elders all have skin tones like that of charcoal with either orangeish inflections or blue inflections, it allows better connection to them I think when everyone can relate or see themselves in the.

[severe flare]

While that’s the meta/game design reason why they have masks, that doesnt mean there can’t also be a lore reason for it as well!

[open bridge]

Was looking through my gallery and just found these again

[hushed steeple]

Thats very true, but its good the keep the real reason in mind when were creating our own in-universe theory's

[obsidian inlet]

I always imagined it was a cultural thing, the masks representing perhaps a family lineage, profession, passion, or spiritual connection. Many ancestors have them so they could have been popular in the early ages of the ancestors, or something only traditionalists wore

[hushed steeple]

Thats kinda my theory too

[open bridge]

Honestly some of these are prettier than the things we have in game right now

[severe flare]

The masks having a spiritual connection seems like a promising idea because masks are seemingly a bigger thing among sky kids who are all connected to the Light, and wearing a mask causes light to come from their eyes which isnt present when they’re maskless

[obsidian inlet]

Not to mention the traditional group that followed the passage trials all had a spiritual wooden mask connected to them, the leader and care giver for them wearing the mask of a bear insinuating a maternal or guiding role

[hushed steeple]

Mask likely had a very vital social and even spiritual function in sky sociaty, with different masks representing different things, from self expresiont, social standing, affiliation to different groups and organisations.
Masks from the same groups and seasons share design elements, so there is that aspect covered.
And they could have also had a spiritual functiong given what we see in season of passage.

[hushed steeple]

Yeah, my thoughs exactly☺️
Good point about the wood thing, did not originally consider that, but it does make a lot of sence

[haughty ledge]

that makes sense!
Do we know what it's doing in orbit?

[hushed steeple]

I think it probably originates from orbit and ancesters copied the patern

[hushed steeple]

Same thing goes for all the other star paterns

[dusk zephyr]

well considering the final flight section of Orbit is just representations of your friends, it makes sense for the constellation to have double usage.

[haughty ledge]

None of the others appear in orbit though, as far as I could tell.

[hushed steeple]

Im preaty shure there was at least one more🤔

[haughty ledge]

The megabird?

[hushed steeple]

Ok, I went through my galery again, and it seams that the friendship constalation is the only clear constalation besides the Megabird patern

still, I gotta imagine the constalation come first and the patern in Home/Aviary was made after

[grim horizon]

is rhythm guide a bird

[lucid bridge]

No. But there is an elder bird in the last season of rhythm cutscene. If I’m wrong, please correct me.

[hushed steeple]

there was
Really hope it makes a come back some day

[edgy kernel]

that might be it in light whisperer's promo image too? heh

[robust flare]

Do plants need fertilizer? And if so, where does the fertilizer come from?

[obsidian inlet]

I imagine all plants in sky work like normal, getting it's fertilization from other dead plants and the occasional fallen light beast. I feel as if dark plants grow like a fungus from diseased or poisoned lands and creatures

[brisk pumice]

How do skykids get their energy?

[obsidian inlet]

I imagine that sky kids are vestles for light made out of a falling star, a body composed like a shell or mold of charcoal. On the default mask and on the chest of many outfits there is a dark stone like material embedded in them, I have a feeling these are points in which light is channeled in and out of them. The flame of the candle seems to represent their own personal inner reservoir of light, and as they help past spirits and find winged light their basin of light expands.

I think light comes in many forms, like the man made light of flame, the glow of the clouds, the presence of sacred light creatures, and interaction with light filled dark stone. This suggests that on a balance of dark and light they take from the world just as much, if not less than they give. A harmonious species

[lucid bridge]

Tbh I don’t think skykids become adults because they keep dying and getting reborn as children. Maybe if one stayed out of Eden for years and years and years lol

[grim horizon]

MELLOW. SLAAAAYYYYY-
also in the second image, is it plausible that everyone shown here a resident of the village of dreams?

[lucid bridge]

Could be. They all appear in the Valley, that’s for sure. So why not?

That’s a nice idea, that they all live in the village.

[severe flare]

That makes sense actually, since I don’t think we see anywhere else in the valley that is a proper place to live like the village is

[grim horizon]

There could be other liveable areas in valley, or even in all the realms of sky, but we have yet to see them.
i dont think we'll be seeing any in forest or wasteland tho, considering their degraded environments

i also doubt we'll see any in vault.
More likely we will see homes in prarie or isle

[tawdry copper]

Forest might be a possibility, but Wasteland definitely not (considering its name )

[grim horizon]

wasteland is a big no
ok, forest i am actually reconsidering.

[eager crag]

Haha hi I been thinking a lot about the memories from season of shattering/ A lot of spoilers below
||, apart from the last quest, we are shown creatures who were affectes by the darkness in some way (crabs, mantas, krill’s)||

||A lot of people have said that these are the king’s memories, but if they are, I would imagine it would show the decay of their kingdom, the people, etc, not the equivalent of animals in the sky world, so my theory is, the memories we are seeing are from the land itself, I think it would make more sense for the diamonds to mean healing from the land, and this leads me, if Megabird is the mother of everything, then it must be tied for the land in some way||

||My personal theory is that the ancient memories we see from the diamond, is megabird showing us memories from the creatures that were affected by the impact, or maybe memories from the diamond instead||

[robust flare]

I'm going to share a theory I had about memories. I had the idea that flame might absorb memory, so it lives on as long as the flame is alive. Memories are a bit like a soul. Without our experiences, we aren't ourselves. Just a thought I had.

[tall mountain]

Hey lore chat, I have a random question for you all: how old is Yeti? Like is Yeti over or under 400 years old?

[brisk pumice]

I mean, if they're a spirit, I would think so, since the spirit age is centuries ago, but if you mean when they were alive, I'm not sure.

[oblique garnet]

Idk if this was ever talked about but...
Well I lost myself in this amazing lorechat and after stumbling upon the different depictions of Megabird, I asked myself how those relate to each other.

I'm talking about that weird crescent twirl fiber thing and the tentacly shooting star kinda thing. Are they different manifestations/imaginations or are they the same from different perspectives/in different "modes"?

I noticed that some depictions have that orb thing, while the crescent spaghetti hasn't as far as I can see (and an orb would fit well in that circle space in the middle imo). And then in Orbit there's the giant orb again, while in some murals the King is seen holding an orb in his hands.

So I wondered, is it possible that the King or Eden elder tried to get a hold of the orb/power of Megabird and something happened? Or do we know what that mural orb represents? Did he want his own orb but it turned into the Eden diamond?
Is the orb in the spaghetti megabird depiction just at the curvy tip?

I crave answers lol

[tall mountain]

the answer is

birb

i'm very helpful

[lucid bridge]

There used to be some pinned google docs - do those still exist?

[hushed steeple]

What we call the Golden Waistland today wasnt always a waistland you know😅

[hushed steeple]

Waistland was a green and prosperous realm before the polution, war and shatering destroyed it compleatly

[hushed steeple]

I really dont think thats the case at all😅

Looking at relatively recent concept art from before the game release, these are all ment to be areas where valley people lived in

[hushed steeple]

Which means thats all of this stuff in the surouning of valley, are in fact representative of whats left of the city's, towns and other livable areas for the valley ancesters

And in univere, there were probably a lot more mountain villages and remote areas that we havent been shown yet

[robust flare]

In an old version of Sky the wasteland was called "Shores of Manna"

I think that tells us a bit about how it used to be, probably. Plentiful land

[hushed steeple]

Wait, really
Please tell me you still have the sorce for that
I know Valley was called the "Golden Land" in one very early version of the concept art, but I havent seen any posible pre-calamety names for the other realms in the old scripture

[robust flare]

I don't want to break any rules, but if you search for "Shores of Manna Sky" on YouTube some videos should pop up!

It's very possible this version is no longer relevant to the game, but it likely influenced the current game at the very least

[hushed steeple]

wait, is this an old "Light awaits" vidoe or.....hmmmm

I mean obviacely this is outdated and non cannon now, but there is deffinetl something that deserves looking into here

It might be usefull to find youtoobe playlists that show walkthroughs of the game from the earlyest versions of Light Awaits
Maby I should get on that when I have the time🤔

[robust flare]

I have done extensive studying of Light Awaits videos

I will check the rules of the server before proceeding

[hushed steeple]

THE LINKS, THE LINKS
I HUNGER FOR LINKS

[hushed steeple]

Oh, yeah, good idea😅

[robust flare]

Idk if I can share YouTube links here? I haven't seen people doing that here before so it seems like maybe not

Here's some screenshots I took from a Light Awaits Testflight video. These were in Vault of Knowledge (can't recall what it was called at the time)
They're in the wrong order, tried putting them in the right order

Bottom right was first, then bottom middle, then bottom left, then top right, then top left, then top middle 🫠

Oh top middle is actually a part of the vault "elder" cutscene now that I look at it

[hushed steeple]

[robust flare]

Old intros. I didn't put them in the order they showed up though.

• In the darkness, lays a kingdom covered in clouds where, from ages long past, dwelt the spirits of light.
  Back then, light and dark lived in harmony, but as time went by, a kingdom prospered and had fallen.
  The prophecy promised its children would return to restore the light.
  For those were the days of the winged travelers...
• A place once flourished with the river of light...
  ...until we brought it to ruin
  ...but then you all arrived.
  Our poor people.
  Trapped in darkness.
  We must free them.
• You awake on a distant shore, away from your family...
  Maybe here you can find a new home.
  Follow the bell, find your way home.
• For as long as stars have fallen, the ancestors shepherded light skyward.
  That was...until the great Storm.
  Now they await you in their distant temples...
  ...eager for your help in returning the light.
  Journey to their lands and recover their light.
  Together we will replenish the stars.
• With stars united, our light was infinite.
  But darkness blinds, so I cast them away.
  Together the stars formed a new home amidst the clouds.
  If only they had listened...
  Long has passed... but now I call to you
  Wake up, my child. Bring the lost stars home.
• With the stars united, our light was infinite.
  But darkness came and the stars fell.
  Together, the fallen stars made a new home in the clouds.
  If only they had listened...
  Wake up, child. Bring our lost stars home.

Hopefully not missing any

[hushed steeple]

I cant stand this.....I need it all😭😭😭😭

Say, is it ok if you dm me all the links you got
I will traid you that for my entime concept art collection

The anchant light awaits vidoes are basicly the missing link between the concept art and the curent gamr

[robust flare]

I think I can! But my collection is disorganized so Idk if I even have all the videos saved 🫠
Lemme see what I got

[hushed steeple]

you just send me everything you got
Hopefully I can find the rest in due time

[agile kite]

[hushed steeple]

But I need those primary sorces to be curtain of things

[pure python]

I know aurora is singing the beginning song of sky but in lore who is singing it ?

[cold sparrow]

That is assuming that in lore, there is anyone singing it. It's still the soundtrack of a game, and might just exist for the player to set the mood.

[pure python]

Yeah

[oblique garnet]

Still no answer?

[jovial citrus]

can someone spoil me with little prince quest lore. argh I'm too lazy to do the quest

[dusk zephyr]

Most of the lore is best appreciated if you also read the book
But it starts with the Prince looking for a friend, playing with the player, and wondering what grownups are like. (When you relieve the memories in Starlight Desert, the prince visits all the spirits, remarks how odd grownups are with their single minded focus. In the book he does admire the Lamplighter for carrying his task for the sake of others, despite how ridiculous the unchanged orders have become now that the situation has changed)
He visits the other realms but becomes saddened when he sees the corruption affecting the flowers in the garden and misses his friend, The Rose. (This is also a slight divergence from the book, in which he realizes what makes his Rose so special from the otherwise identical ones in the garden, because that's the one he's cared for.)
He tries to silently return to Eden so he can go back to his planet, but the player finds him, so he leaves them a gift of his laughter (which he does to the narrator in the book, in which when he looks at the stars he'll remember the laugh of the Prince.)
And finally the player goes to rescue him in Eden and the two meet in Orbit. this is the big divergence from the book, as it's unclear the fate of the Prince, only that his body was not found when the Narrator goes to check on him, but the same ending, of remembering the Prince's laugh when you look at the stars is shared between Sky and the book.

(do read the book, it's quite short, but it's very nice.)

[hushed steeple]

Sereosly, listen to @dusk zephyr and read the book. Its that good

[grim horizon]

question, why do we raise our candles higher after we are done reliving a spirit memory, and are preparing to collect their emote? is it out of honor or respect? is it like a "code" skykids have to follow?

[hushed steeple]

Yes😂

But sereous answer, I think the best answer out of these would be a combination of honor and reapect

We are receaving the wisdom and knowlige from the spirits that we release.
But we are also releasing the spirits from there earthly tumb, and honoring the deceased before they can finally ascend

[grim horizon]

I like this idea 😲

[lucid bridge]

Valley Elder(?) depictions on the face of the land race building

Old land race building interior statue, with bell texture

Current land race building interior statues

Thought u guys might like these

[jovial wolf]

Hello peoples, i found this picture that shows the prediction of the movements of galaxies in the long term, made me think of megabird, i go sleep now and i come back tomorrow with maybe crazy theory about what is megabird physically, metaphysically and how we are linked to it

[lucid bridge]

Oh, they got ears. I don’t think I’ve ever seen an ancestor with ears before. Ears confirmed /joking

[lucid bridge]

That’s really interesting and I love that

[leaden field]

I saw on pinterest that some elders are related to each other. Is this confirmed??

Help I'm so confused. If it is, can yall tell me the relationships between them?😭

[brisk pumice]

I honestly have no idea for most of them, but I do think that the valley elders are twins if that helps.(It probably doesn't but I didn't wanna leave your question unnoticed)

[leaden field]

Ahh thank you! I did know that but thank you for giving an answer. I'll try to look into it on my own

[grim horizon]

has anyone noticed that the taller we are, the more oval-like the shape of our heads become.
i mean it is pretty logical already, but i saw two skids standing next to each other at grannys and was curious

[hushed sable]

Proportions, a rounder larger head on the shorter sky kids looks more normal. While the oval head looks more natural on a taller one. For people, the portions of head to body changes as you age and grow. Small children have huge heads in portion to their bodies compared to adults.

[grim horizon]

i shouldve remembered this before i wrote that comment

[hushed steeple]

i saw yesterday that someone made an iceberg lore chart for sky , so i wanted to share it .

[hushed steeple]

This most be eden before the disaster

[edgy kernel]

oh dear my message got nuked talking about this I can only assume it was maybe one of the things in there? LOL

[edgy kernel]

pretty wild how it looks like the s torm is forming there with those dark spiraling clouds

[hushed steeple]

There are so many theories about what could have happened

But the actual lore will be explained in the upcoming series I can’t wait

[edgy kernel]

I wonder where the vault thing comes from, I've always seen it as some kind of museum or projection, like the walls themselves are even a projection to keep people from feeling so claustrophobic at the end of the world.

The bit about us being the Eden elder is something i've considered before in a couple ways, like maybe any time we enter the void its just represents your own state of mind, and us kinda embracing the light and dying but always wanting to come back and help the people of our kingdom.
The void in abyss quests would contain cackling cannoneer because it represents that we want to get out of that void and save them, its why we went down there. and shattering could be memories WE had.
Noting that shattering memories have winged light in them, maybe just getting some of our memories back is important and grants us some power, even if we don't know they're our memories. one of the winged lights is also I think the dual winged light at the top of the eden crystal, and its a bit of a stretch but the eden crystal seems mostly split in two, I maybe could interpret it as us being shattered into many many pieces, too.

[hushed steeple]

This is a screenshot from a video.. those anyone knows what this is?

[edgy kernel]

i feel like i've seen something like that before because the king like model with the rhythm pendant is something i think someone shared before, it might have been a weird out of bounds thing somewhere, which was removed at some point?

[hushed steeple]

It seems like some sort of dragon? Like a light krill? :0

What if the krills used to be light dragons? Idk

[hushed steeple]

Actually there’s a task in sky that says: Face the dark dragon…

This confirms that krills are some sort of dragons.. and that creature looks like a dragon

[errant lagoon]

I'm glad it's doesn't breath fire

[cold sparrow]

if I recall correctly, this is some datamined model, presumed but not confirmed to be of the king
(it does look somewhat like the king's silhuette the skykids were supposed to face as a sort of boss battle, as shown in concept art)
as it is not any official part of the game, it's also not official lore

[hushed steeple]

im copypasting what the person said .
“Vault is a hallucination” refers to the theory that the vault isn’t real and possibly a vision/memory of what it used to be/was supposed to be before the kingdom fell. As you go up the floors, it becomes increasingly dreamlike, and once you @do the final cutscene, you get transported to a broken version of the bottom floor of vault, possibly what it really looks like!!

is what they say .

[edgy kernel]

ohh, interesting. i hadn't interpreted that room that way, huh. maybe literally the whole thing might be a projection then LOL

[fiery sand]

So the place you go when you die in Eden seems like an underwater abyss, the creature in abyss spits out all of those creatures it ate and I feel like it somehow has a connection to that realm due to the fact that our light made it release them all. I feel like the giant creature from Abyss-while hostile-might also be a portal to the afterlife? Maybe I’m TOTALLY reaching here but just a thought I had last Eden run.

[hushed steeple]

Thats and interesting theory, but I think its mostly wrong.
There is a big posibiluty that a lot of what we see in the later flores is the effects of projections, but you yourself are deffinetly phisicly moveing up the realm.

[light minnow]

I do think the theory has some merit
The vault is a strange place with definitely lots of magic involved (even by sky standards)
And cosmic mantas in general are quite ghost-like in their behavior
I do agree that vault isn't probably 100% an illusion, but there's definitely questions to be asked about what exactly is going on in vault

[austere coral]

My brain immediately jumped to "ghost building". Vault is full of spirits of people and mantas, which we as sky kids can see. Maybe in some way we can also see the "ghost of the past" of what Vault was. Perhaps projected by the Vault Elder in some way, who lets us see the truth once we reach them.

Just spit balling.

[hushed steeple]

Im not saying that there arent some weard stuff happening in Voult. However I still think that at least 50% of everything we see in it is compleatly real, with the rest being a combination of projections and the people of voult pushing the mastery and metaphisical manipulations of light to its limits.

[hushed steeple]

I think thats less the resoult of "ghost of the past", and more something that the ancesters intentionally set up.

Voult is a place where all the knowlige of the past was preserved, from history to skills to as many actual memories of ancesters as they could preserve.
When it become clear that there not gonna make it, the people of the voult set up everything for the benefit of those that will come ofter them.
The whole realm in that way become a monument of the past

[obsidian inlet]

Just a thought I've been having recently. Also warning, SPOILERS FOR AURORA CONCERT AND EDEN:

|| At the end of the aurora concert she takes you to the afterlife area of the game temporarily. There you can see the constellation that I think is the megabird.

Anyhow, the point I'm making is she is leading you to it which makes me think. What is Aurora? Are they a demi god? Some divine being similar to an elder? A god separate from the megabird? An avatar of the megabird? I'm not sure.

My personal thoughts are maybe she is like an avatar-esque form of the megabird.||

[hushed steeple]

Its very debatable what Aurora is, or even how much of the season can even be considered as canon, seeing that its a collaborative season with a real life singer.
This is one of those things thats open to debate. Just be carefull not to mention any kind of Aurora as devine stuff to Root(they/them), as he strongly against the whole concept and see her as non canon or an ordinery spirit with a lot of projectors at best😅.

For me personally, I do belive she is canon for the most part, and would say avatar is the clossest out of all the ideas you mentioned
Keep in mind that from what we have been able to see, The Light (Megabird) isnt a god in the more classical sence.

[split ice]

sorry to interrupt but i just noticed this at the office area, what are yalls thoughts abozt it?

[light minnow]

Personally i like to see her as a spirit particularly attuned to the world
One who understands a lot about light and such, allowing her to perform and sing the way she does

[hushed steeple]

That is a valid interpretation as well, though I would say that if she is a spirit, then she started out as a spirit (ancester), then she would now be something of a trancended being, one that has gained such a great mastery and understanding of light and the history of the world, that she is able to manifest the way she does

[lucid bridge]

Official concept art for the game

Go ahead and read it; it’ll provide more background for the themes of the game

[hushed steeple]

These is really old concept art from the game, all the way back when the realm were refeard to by theme and time of day and havent had official names

[deep field]

if it were still like linked to age or like life cycles or something then that would give some cool theories tbh

[lucid bridge]

It is still linked imo. Just metaphorically and not explicitly

This is also shown in the spirits for the season of… whichever season the spirit is from lol 😅

[hushed steeple]

I mean its no secret really, TGS has already revealed this stuff a long time ago

[hushed steeple]

The game design of sky and its realms are all based on 3 fundamental princiles
-Time of day
-Stages of human life
-Progress of civilization

This is the fundation on which the estetics and emotional storytelling of sky were based on even before any actual in universe lore was established

[hushed steeple]

Also, all the stuff thats shown in here are all the stuff that TGS had shared on Twitter for there 1 year aniversary , called "7 DAYS OF SKY"
I dont know if you can find the original tweets now, but you can find all the information from it on the sky wiki

https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/Seven_Days_of_Sky

[deep field]

In the first img its like all reams except vault tho, does that like mean certain or was vault just not a concept at that time

[hushed steeple]

Voult was deffinetly a concept from the start, just as the other ones. Back then it was called Night

[deep field]

Ohhh

[hushed steeple]

Im not entirely shure why its not shown in the office.
If I were to give my opinion, it probably has to do with the fact that original night was compleatly unrecognisable to what we have today. The whole concept of that realm was probably scraped entirely and reworked from the ground up.

[lucid bridge]

A memorial to soldiers lost in the first light creature conflict. Do you think the candelabra is reminiscent of a manta or the megabird?

Blade sorta looks like a falchion

[hushed steeple]

Posible. It could also have other symbolic meanings related to The Light and sky creatures. Maby something like the eternal cycle of light represented as a migrating bird.
We've actually seen a simmilar yet way bigger sculpture like this one in Snactuary. Its possible that there could be other statues like this that I cant remember right now

(for the life of me I cant find close up pick of these right now😅. Just take my word for it that there exactly the same)

[hushed steeple]

Oh! In treasure reef there's a similar looking statue that give us a blessing to dive in the water

It's inside the main game entrance and you can easily spot it, need to meditate first to get blessing

[hushed steeple]

Oh yeah, your right. And now that you mention it, I think I remember a few more that are similar size to the one in treasure reaf
Maby that is symbolic of megabird

Megabirb makes us wotah proof

Tho during aurora concert in exhale and inhale

A manta happily glides in and out of wotah (before gets corrupted by darkness) and the same goes for the giant one in the sanctuary

So spiritual animal exist in sky then??

[lucid bridge]

And in the treasure reef - we see mantas above and below water too. They are marine and in the air.

I can’t find picture of it but does ANYONE remember the megabird statues that were in the third Forest and Wasteland regions that, if meditated in front of, returned you home? Does anyone have screenshots of those? I would like to compare them against the little statues we are discussing to see if they are megabird or manta.

This thing (image taken from the background of a video by Noob Mode on YouTube)

They’ve removed it, unfortunately. It was one of the few pieces of concrete evidence of Megabird, except for the ending.

[light minnow]

Is that even supposed to be megabird
Looks a bit small to represent it

[lucid bridge]

It was bird shaped maybe it was supposed to be a manta. But it always looked like a bird to me.

[light minnow]

I mean it does look bird like
But i feel like "bird shaped = megabird" is a bit of a leap
Regular small birds exist in sky too
In the one megabird representation still in the game, it absolutely doesn't look like you average little birb

[lucid bridge]

Yeah, but why else would there be bird symbology like that? I suppose “flying”. The megabird is the most important bird in the game, though. So I just thought megabird. I don’t have any more hi def screenshots and my memory isn’t the most reliable.

Went to Vault Elder OOB and took screenshots of all the realm murals, in case anyone wants to take a look.

In the last one, we can see that the same letters are used in every text, so I think that confirms that the language, at least in this instance, is more of an aesthetic choice and not something to be translated meaningfully. Oh well! Can’t blame someone for not making a whole cypher/conlang lol

Poor Vault elder, having to watch everyone else fall around them

[light minnow]

What i'm curious about is that this last mural shows some interaction between the memory lanterns and the mantas
I wonder how important the cosmic mantas are to vault

[agile nimbus]

Vault elder is a keeper of knowledge, they maintain the vault, which is pretty much a giant library of studying

[deep field]

Og vault/night was basicly a city?

[lucid bridge]

We do see some of the mantas carrying memory lanterns on their backs! (Vault level 4 and 5).

I thought they were just memories of sky creatures because so many were killed. Maybe they were used as beasts of burden/companions/pets like the mantas from before were? Tho I doubt how willing the vault elder would be to subjugate mantas after seeing how much it hurt the species, although like I said we see cosmic mantas carrying things on their backs. All the other mantas we see in the vault just float around.

[signal spire]

Is sky inspired by any certain branch of Buddhism? I know it has a lot of tibetan influences.

[light minnow]

About cosmic mantas i also think it's interesting that we have some wandering around vault, some showing up only at the end, and the ones from rememberance season that appear tied to the pained memories of the spirits there
And in rememberance these kind of lanterns are said to hold memories i believe

[edgy kernel]

the lanterns inside vault are also transparent, kinda makes me think they also are maybe part of a memory or projection, like part of the mechanism in vault is actually interacting with those memory projections

[hushed steeple]

Yes it was. Blew my mind when I first come across this
Though to be clear, this commes from the oldest possible versions of the game, so none of it has any relevance to any kind of modern lore.

Though it is kinda interesting to think about from a meta level.
Night and the Edan beam are technicly still in the exact same place (from a 2d perspective). They just droped a huge mountain on top of it🤣🤣🤣

[hushed steeple]

Dont forget the one's that are in the Starlight desert (little prince area)

[hushed steeple]

You can also get these if you take photos when you watch the cutscene.
Also, here is the 7th mural of the Edan Elder
To this very day the only peace of direct stated evidence of the kings existence in the game (not counting all the prince murals)

[light minnow]

Wait there's cosmic mantas over there?
Where?

[stiff agate]

This is probably nothing new. But after watching the seed with Aurora again I believe they kept the krill’s after draining their light locked up in GW. When we open the door we accidentally trigger the defense mechanism again and release them. Am I right?
But how the heck do you transport a krill from the reef to the battle field?

[light minnow]

Didn't these krill come from way off in the distance?
Or was it the sand?
Either way i don't see how that could imply a defense mechanism, i don't see anything in the area remotely close to being in a good enough state for there to be a functional krill release system

[lucid bridge]

Thank you for those screenshots! I felt like I was missing something ☹️

[lucid bridge]

Maybe memories of (cosmic)mantas carrying memory lanterns on their backs when they were stocking the vault?

[lucid bridge]

Tbh I think krills can be made anywhere mantas are

[edgy kernel]

hmmm, interesting. they probably would have used mantas to help stock it, as it seems like it could take multiple spirits to lift one

[lucid bridge]

Oh wait. They can levitate stuff. And they have elevators and ladders. Maybe they didn’t have any mantas there; they just had memories of mantas (the cosmic ones).

[stiff agate]

So they (krill’s/diamonds) weren’t only made in The treassure reef. Makes sense

[lucid bridge]

Or maybe they DID have mantas, and turned them into cosmic mantas when they died. Because they are also called ghost mantas. Or maybe they didn’t let any mantas in because of the light creature/ancestor war. Lots of open ends.

[hushed steeple]

Oh, one monent let me find it ( got a new phone and reorgansing all the picks from scratch is a nightmare....let me just.....
(20 minutes later)

FORGET IT!!!! I'll just take a new pic😅😅😅😅😅

[lucid bridge]

Yeah. Mantas turn to krill when corrupted by darkness.

[hushed steeple]

(Another 10 minutes of flighing around in Statlight dessert)
YES, YES, i foind it. I found the ( beep!!!) thing😅😅😅

[edgy kernel]

oh thats really interesting

Starlight is connected to vault ( or... used to? ) but you can also very clearly see eden from the outside of vault, so i dont think starlight itself is one huge projection

huh.
one little ghost fella flyin around

[hushed steeple]

THATS WHAT I KEEP SAYING!!!!!

[edgy kernel]

now i wonder if theres a stray projection stone around the desert

[hushed steeple]

I know people really like to think that most of the stuff conected to voult is one big projection or halucination, but thats really just a fun headcanon and nothing else

Voult is mostly real with a lot of it augmentated by projections from lanterns, not the other way around.
And starlight desert just on its own IS a real place

[edgy kernel]

thats generally where i've been, the idea that ALL of it is a projection i find kinda interesting though, heh.
I've stuck with the idea that the stone walls and elevator are quite real, but they do a projection on everything else to make it feel better inside, seeing as in remembrance it kinda seems like a home to the last people around

[hushed steeple]

There's probably stuff like that for the lights in the narcesist coloseum and maby some other individual features, but thats pushing it as far as it goes

[light minnow]

I don't think cosmic mantas are necessarily tied to a projection stone
I do think they're like, creatures that exist and are alive
Just that they have a unique relationship to past memories

[hushed steeple]

No they are not.
Spirit mantas are conected to the bones,

On the 4th flore you light the candles around an enshrined sceleton of a manta and then call out. This summans a small tiny spirit manta. At no point ate lanterns involved

[hushed steeple]

The best I can tell is that the cosmic mantas are similar to the spirits of the ancesters.
Posibly they are an atempt my the people of voult to atone for the sins of there people, useing the limits of there resurch in light to preserve the fallen mantas.

[light minnow]

I don't think they're connected to only bones
Because we only have one instance of bone related cosmic manta
We have others tied to spirits, which leave in a cutscene when they appear to have moved on from their grief
And the ones in starlight desert don't have bones anywhere either, but definitely some sad memories in the area

[hushed steeple]

Well dont forget the giant bones on the 5th flore.
There were probably a lot more sceletons origibally

[light minnow]

Oh right, where the giant mantas are

[hushed steeple]

Its possible that there remains were somewhere out there, but over time some of the mantas had gotten a more permanent existance

[hushed steeple]

It also might be worth mentioning that the spirit manta I took a picture of in the desert wasnt originally there for the first 10-15 minutes. It showed up later, so it is a case of the manta "awakening" from somewhere and then spining around above the guarden

[light minnow]

Hmmmm
Leaning more towards the idea of being similar to ancestor spirits
Ancestor spirits also have a strong tie with memories, making us live a moment of their life
Maybe cosmic mantas are the equivalent for some light creatures to spirits

[hushed steeple]

Well yes, spirit mantas are the manta version of spirits for the most part.
But even spirits requite us to give light to some kind of remains

[light minnow]

With the exception of guides

[hushed steeple]

That is true

[hushed steeple]

With every question answered, 2 more come in its place.
Its like a mystery hydra:joy

[edgy kernel]

went and flew up to that manta, kinda hard to do with only 7 wings LOL
what an interesting little guy to be floatin around. I think i might have noticed it spawning from the direction of the throne area, because i saw it calling as it left there before i could fly up towards it

[amber sky]

Ooops sorry I just want to add something to this topic
In Vault, we can see a lot of lantern. This lanterns are know to contain memory. For some reason, ancestors decided to store as much of them as possible in Vault. But now the Vault is no more no longer inhabited...and time has passed by. The Vault is in ruins and even the lanterns are damaged... and the memories are leaking out, wich may explain why we can see many different "isles" floating whith no visible coherence: they are a mix of all this leaks. However I think the first floor and the last (with the temple) are indeed real.

[edgy kernel]

The area of remembrance seems the most like that i think, with the memories of individuals playing out on strange and broken platforms

[hushed steeple]

I mean, are we shure that the memories are "really" leaking out😅
There really hasnt been anything to conferm that this is a thing is all Im saying😅😅😅

Keep in mind that all the floating platforms and inslands are the resoult of sky archetectuee and darkstones.
We see a lot of that in Valley with buildings and peaces of rock still floating in place centuries later, and we know there not memories😅

Besides, all the lanterns in the uper flores are very much active, so the memory leak idea doeant work for the upper flores.

If a lot of it were a projection, most of it would be on purpuse

[amber sky]

Yes, the concept of memories leaking out is just a theory, sorry if it didn't sounded like this

[hushed steeple]

You have nothing to apologise😅😅😅
It is a fun theory to imagine and I was probably too harsh with shooting you down.
I just didnt want people to think the concept was conon, when theres curently no evidence that its anything more then just a fun idea 😅😅😅

[hushed steeple]

im sorry, but everytime I see this mural, I think of the octopus guy from Parappa the rappa

[rotund quest]

I wanna know the lore for the 4th one 😭

[dusk zephyr]

I know "It's the same manta" refers to the manta you rescue in forest and the one that gets snatched by the krill in wasteland are one and the same.

[rotund quest]

😭

[rotund quest]

Okay someone gotta explain these ones to me :
||Blue seasonal candles, winter 2018, stick kid bug, wind wall bypass, 3 default masks, bodies in Isle, 3 candle pack and area origin points||

[jovial wolf]

I need someone to explain the propaganda

[hushed steeple]

• So "winter 2018" refears to the very first ( unofficial) season in sky, that come out before the official lounch of the game. It was the first experiment TGS did with the concept of a season. It didnt have a name, only had 5 spirits + guide, and had many differences to later seasons.
  This was later re-booted into the "Season of Rytham", the 4th official season with all the cosmetics and spirits (+ one more spirit) returning.
  https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/Winter_2018?file=Winter18-Wasteland_Respect.png

[hushed steeple]

• Blue candles refears to the seasonal currency for "Season of the Lightkeepers" (2nd season). I guess they were thinking of haveing a different colour for every season at that point, but changed there minds😅

[hushed steeple]

"Bodies in isle"......😅
Yeah, this one goes back to the down of the playeble game, before the live release, before the first aviary or any major patches and changes to the game

So just for context, first ever playable version of sky was made in November 2017, while the first sky srvers and beta started in January 2018
Now, these here are screenshots I took from a video that was originaly made in 13 March 2018, so preaty close to the down of sky game.This is how the begining of the game originally looked

So yeah, no falling from the sky, no real "Home" area. You start your journey alone on a dark remore beach, awaikened by the calls of the birds

[hushed steeple]

Now, this is where it gets weard😅
This was aperently not the original opening to the game. In the original original ORIGINAL begining, you would see what looks like dead (or most likely sleeping) childrens bodies all over the beach, as if they were empty vesels layeing on that beach for who knows how long, waiting to be awaikened jast like you were at that moment

As of yet, I have not been able to find any picture of video that goes so far back. But If I do, I will be shure to post it

[light minnow]

This is perfect knowledge for calling older players fossils

Next time someone makes fossil jokes i'll reference these bodies

[hushed steeple]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[rotund quest]

The knowledge 😭

[hushed steeple]

So I found the bodies😂

[rotund quest]

😭

[hushed steeple]

'

[hushed steeple]

If your not afraid of more knowlige, watch this video
Its possibly the single oldest footige of sky gameplay you are likely to find out there
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWjd7R-GykY&t=37s

[nimble ingot]

I know this image.

It was from a video where the model was hacked in.
The reason why it is wearing a rhythm pendant is because it had to be assigned to something and in this case it was likely a random spirit (hence the sparkly texture and wearing a pendant).

I would recommend exploring it further in a different place, as this server sadly does not allow for hacked content to be discussed here.
I would be happy to share more info for you in dms whener you like to reach out (this applies to any user here, please do state you were from the lorechat for me to know).

[light minnow]

This reminds me of that eden concept art that involved a corrupted king as an active threat in it that i saw being sent here

[jovial wolf]

Hello everyone, I’ve thinkings to share here (I haven’t slept for two days)

I finally came up with global physical and spiritual theory for the world of sky

I may say foolish things cuz I’m silly skid that don’t listened every piece of lore that are canon or not but anyway here i go (tell me if i foolish pls)

You see this (da image down there) ? This laniakea.

To say it quick : gravity make objects attract each other and so in the cosmos a lot of matter is pulling together to this very place, laniakea. (Search laniakea on google ull find a lot more info about it)

Now there’s scientists thinking that DARK MATTER, an unknown substance is responsible for universe expansion. The expansion is actually so fast currently, that our galaxy might never arrive to laniakea because even if it attract us, space between laniakea and milky is growing too fast.

So big galaxy cluster is attracting everything, but a dark thing is pulling it away from us…

AHEM

Obviously laniakea looks A LOT like megabird.

But sky physics is not exactly the same as our universe, (in sky, stars are not massive burning hydrogen), stars are spiritual beings. And in credit cutscene planets seems to be far bigger than stars.

So I’ll make the following assumptions :
Megabird = lanikea
Orbit = milky way
Spirit/child = star

In other words, megabird is the agglomeration of all spirits, like global mind, but darkness pulled away some spirit.

BUT THERE’S PROBLEMS

-orbit is very very very far away from megabird, we can see it from eden and in credit cutscene we also see it in the back from the very beginning

-in the same cutscene, we see that eden is a very smol place in a wide universe, it’s even possible that every dot we see in this scene is an orbit-like place (equivalent to a galaxy)

-there are contradictory speeches in different intro, and both are canon :
One now in aviary village say that darkness came, they builded cities and then boom cataclysmic event
Other in dawn says that they builded house in cloud and THEN the star fell

-how does time work in the realms ? Why always dawn, dusk, night, Why seasons ? Why do eden statues still come back and winged light too ?

-we don’t see the same stars : every skid have different friends, which are stars and can be found when we go orbit. Why ? And why do we see unknown as peoples without light ?

-what is the shattering ? What are doors ? Dailies ?? Graves ???

Here are my answers :

I - Darkness came

Because of a dark energy, our orbit is pulling away from megabird (like our galaxy from laniakea).
Far from this power, spirits could no longer maintain their links together, and they felt down on earth.

Ofc they wanted to go back from where they came, so the stronger or wiser spirits (elders) builded realms and the eye of eden.

II - the golden age

The new system works pretty well : elders live in orbit, and link the spirits in each realms together to the king through temples and their statues (as shown on the original mural)
Even the light creatures can go to the orbit thanks to this beam.
Orbit is a like a nice place replacing megabird, made by elder. The dood build in it allows light to return to earth at some point.

Some spirits were very attached to a particular realm, so they lived and died here, burried at the entrance of a realm.
Their soul then went to orbit through their respective temple, joining their elder in their constellation.
.

III - Darkness came… again

We saw that there’s 2 times darkness came, one made elder fall on earth, but second seems to have been far more dramatic.

At some point a war happened on earth, maybe because the distance from megabird.

The king, the one who was holding the system together was killed
Because of this, stars started to fall on earth, and so children of light started to fall on eart (like in one dawn spirit memories)

But a prophecy said that one day, a child will come that will find the courage and strength to gain a new power and unite light once again.
Childs has been send to go find this power, and actually one succeeded. Let’s call him the prince.

Helped by all the ancestors and and spirits remaining, he ascend himself to orbit t

But oopsie, maybe it was not that easy.

He tried to use the power in the orbit to reboot the world, but all he did was desinstegrate himself, causing dead spirits to fell on earth, and creating the asteroid belt in orbit.

Why only dead spirits ? Because graves. Every regular spirit you encounter has a grave, which like the elder statue, allow us to connect with them.

Seasonal spirits have no grave, so i think they were alive when the cataclysm happened (but we’ll get back to them later). Their bodies are now long gone

.
IV - the continuum is ripped appart

You remember what lantern can do ? Create projections.
You know i think is the vault ? An attempt to create an artificial cosmos, to replace the dying one (it failed)

anyway, the prince did the same but instead created a permanent loop with thousands of overlayed dimensions, with a shard of himself in each one.

The four branches star is the royal symbol, and it’s the one that is used in the middle of our screen just above our wings

V - megabird’s blessing

Megabird heard the explosion from where she was. She felt very sad, so she send a bunch of special star : winged light (bird =>wings very deep connection here)

It went all over the earth (it took time cuz cosmos is big) eventually a winged light touched the shard of the prince, once, twice… every time a new player appear, one of the overlayed shard of the prince is blessed with a piece of light

The newborn skid, sharing some guilt for the falling of the dead spirits, will come to save them, and sacrifice himself in a loop (skysiphus)

Maybe, with time going on, the overlayed dimensions will be reunited, with friendship growing, the link goes stronger, revealing new spirits to saved that didn’t have strong connection to the main light network (seasonal spirits).

.
And, what are doors ? I guess it’s the physical manifestations of that link, since when we connect a realm (as the shard of the prince of the profecy) we open this door to house/aviary making earth linked the same way it is in orbit

(I sincerely hope your brain didn’t burn cuz mine does rn)

[brisk pumice]

My brain is burning and I haven't even started reading it yet

[rotund quest]

I need more info about the King 😭

This is so interesting all of a sudden

[hushed steeple]

This is a very interesting post you have writen.
There are deffinetly some things that can be aplicable to sky as aligory.
I do however need to corect you on one inportant thing.

Dark mater does not try to push ojects apart. Quite the oposite, its something that is supoase to be honding galaxies together
Dark energy is the thing that is theorized exelarate the expantion of the universe past the traditionally expected vallues.

Of course, the whole question of dark energy and dark mater and if they trully exist is something of a big question mark.
That there called "dark" has nothing to do with the opisit of light or the vast emptiness of space. Its just a fact that we have no idea what it is if it exists and cant ditect any of it (aka, were in the dark when it comes to it😅 )

[jovial wolf]

Ty for clarification :3 (and ofc dark energy is not « dark » but i liked the way it sounds in my head)

[hushed steeple]

Really, dark mater and dark energy are placeholder names to explain anamolys in our observations of the universe and its expantion, as all our current understanding of gravity, space-time and so on are incompatible with some of the observations that the deep feald space telescopes had done

The only explenation is eather that there are forces/mater that should theoreticly exist out there that we have no way of ditecting (which is colectively called dark mater/energy), or there is a major gap in our understanding of max level phisics and math that we're not aware of

[light minnow]

Wait
Wdym the first time elders came was because of darkness?
When was this mentioned in the game?

[hushed steeple]

Hope you dont mind me telling you this😅
Its just that I feel that a lot of people are missinformed about what the whole deal about dark mater and dark energy actually is, and if it is even a real thing or not

[light minnow]

Also, i do not think that aviary speech and intro speech are contradictory at all
They both describe the same events, but under a different perspective
In the intro it's a lot more impersonal, like "darkness happened and we got hurt" while aviary emphasizes that "we caused the darkness to come"

[jovial wolf]

There are two different times in which « darkness came » is mentioned :

• during the first intro cutscene « darkness came, star have fallen, but then we build home in clouds »
• in dawn when you light candles « we as spirits, became many, and build homein the clouds, but then darkness came and star have fallen »

[jovial wolf]

The order of « home build/star fell »is clearly not the same, so i guess there’s two perspectives and very different time scales in it

[light minnow]

Wait
Intro cutscene and dawn you say
I need to see intro cutscene because that means there'd be three different tellings of the story
One in intro
One in dawn
One in aviary

[jovial wolf]

You are very right to clarify scientific things, i should have been more cautious when mentioning it (i just wanted to point out universe expansion despite gravity = darkness despite megabird )

[light minnow]

Does anyone have a clip or a video of that intro cutscene ?

[jovial wolf]

Pretty sure aviary one is the old first one

[hushed steeple]

give me 2 minutes
I have them, just gotta find them in this mess😅

[nimble ingot]

I recall in the past when asked about the change to the intro cutscene with the murals (namely the first mural intro, the one in Dawn that replaced it and the one in Aviary). If I am not mistaken, it was Ash (or at least a dev) that explained the newer intros may not replace or discredit the older ones. Albeit they may update the lore within them (or a retelling of the same story)

[jovial wolf]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W1nS4C-erLk

[jovial wolf]

If you read my theory, you’ll see that i made the two intro scenes working well together :3

[light minnow]

Oh right
I had never seen the intro saying darkness came first, because i'm too smol
Makes sense
Both isle of dawn and current aviary place the darkness after the arrival of the elders

[hushed steeple]

Get ready everybody
Gonna be sending all versions of the opening (in chronological order of the game development)

[jovial wolf]

But actually i don’t think devs thought there would be 2 darkness coming, and i made it up just so it’s fit together

[nimble ingot]

Found it!
In answering the question about the Dawn intro cutscene changing.
From Ash: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[hushed steeple]

FIRST EVER INTRO, FROM BEFORE FIRST AVIARY (2017,2018)

[light minnow]

Also
First time i see the brand new intro, i think it's interesting that you start off with the maximum possible wings, then get extinguished and end up looking like a spirit

[hushed steeple]

PROLOGUE OF SKY GAME WHEN FIRST OPENING APP (2019,2020,2021)

[nimble ingot]

ah yes, this intro ❤️

[hushed steeple]

Not done yet
No talking

[nimble ingot]

This was an intro that would play out once. When you start up the game for the first time, and then never again on your account lol.
The game had a way to unpack what would be a hefty lore nugget on such an innocent and naïve soul that is you and your moth learning about the game/Sky realms for the first time.

Am glad it was changed for players to have the option to look back on it any time. ❤️

[hushed steeple]

CURENT MURAL INTRO 2021,2022,2023

.
.
.
NEW AVIARY INTO MURAL (REMENISNT OF PROLOGUE)

jump over here😅

[light minnow]

I do find it interesting that, aside from there being two comings of darkness in the old intro, it joins aviary in emphasizing responsibilty for the destruction of the kingdoms

[jovial wolf]

Mmmm so if iunderstand well :

• elder came willingly on earth
• they lost light link
• darkness came

[light minnow]

I feel like losing light link and darkness coming are both the same event

[hushed steeple]

it is

[jovial wolf]

But it means elder did it on purpose and my theory about dark energy can go trash uwu

[light minnow]

Not really on purpose no
Rather, through lack of proper care
They didn't intend to destroy their entire civilisation
But instead destroyed it on accident by "taking their light for granted"
More specifically, it appears that it is tied to the giant eden darkstone crystal they built
I imagine that like the rest of the darkstone crystals, it was intended to power their constructs and improve their civilisation
However it broke and got corrupted somehow, and now here we are with a constant raging storm over Eden, and a broken civilisation

[hushed steeple]

This is somethig that had been outwright stated directly by TGS

The whole thing with the kingdom falling to darkness and all that is more metaphorical, and conected more with the development and overuse of darkstone and the growing greed and apathy of the ancesters and Elders, which later grew into distrust and conflict, which leads to the destruction of the sky kingdom and the spread of darkness we know today

-Originally TGS had invisioned Elders as haveing a more villin like role, growing corupt with power. This was emphasised the most with the King, who was the out right main villin of the original story
-This however was drasticly changed long before the first release of Light Awaits, and the Elders now have more the roles of tragic antiheroes, wanting prosperaty for there people, but growing blind to the problems in there sociaty, and being to late to meaningfully change things after that

(official interview clip from back in the day)

[light minnow]

This does make me wonder how the king's morality will be when the show comes out
I still believe that, in the current modern sky, he wasn't necessarily evil
Rather misguided in attempting to make civilisation progress

[hushed steeple]

I can see that☺️

[light minnow]

Also, speaking of the eden crystal
I think that thing could save your theory still

[jovial wolf]

I read it twice and yeah, just some things to rewrite but the last part of prince and multiplayer/time explanation should still be acceptable

[hushed steeple]

glad we can help☺️

[light minnow]

Also yeah
With industrialisation and stuff they appear to have began neglecting the environnement and light creatures
Viewing them more as tools than anything (for example the mantas drained in forest temple)
Which lines up with "taking light for granted" in that they lost sight of what it truly was, how important it was and how fragile it was

To be fair they're basically us

[light forum]

Could the elders and/or people of the past be symbolism of our people now? How we take everything for granted and are going to lose sight of everything if we don’t stop, just like how they didn’t stop and took the light for granted which killed them. All of that is essentially what is happening to us right now, so it could be something symbolic. Or maybe I’m just overthinking things, the sky lore is very complicated to me.

[hushed steeple]

No, I think your preaty on the mark☺️
Thats what fantasy and emotional story telling is all about.

[slow sigil]

lore chat, i was wondering- what is this anyway?

[nova totem]

Do we have any confirmed lore about performance guide, and her relation to rhythm guide?

[cold sparrow]

a broken version of the darkstone refinery, which can also be found in the forest temple

[slow sigil]

ooooh thank you

[grim horizon]

ok, so again i thought of bringing up the question of spirit food.
but i also thought of their cooking methods.
i know that crabs used to be cooked over an open fire, as we see the big bowl over a fire near the "dont go" spirit.
but i assume the spirits' cooking methods became increasingly advanced, so they went from cooking via fires to cooking via stoves and using pots and pans and so on. "primitive" technology vs. modern technology. smth like that. now, i cant define "primitive" bc what may seem "primitive like a neanderthal" to developed countries may be the norm for developING countries.
going back to the food itself now.
my assumptions are that they ate crabs, mantas, fish, maybe the manatees (YES, THE PRECIOUS BABY MANATEES!). heck, maybe even birds. their diet was probably filled with plants, meat and seafood. though i think the latter two were consumed the most.
i'm loading this message with another question: what about those spirits that were especially skilled in the culinary arts? ofc, we dont see them and we may not see them yet, but what if butterflies were used to "decorate" their food once the meal was finished cooking?

so, i guess this post has four questions:

1. what are the spirits' cooking methods?
2. what creatures did they eat?
3. what was their diet?
4. was it likely that the spirits used the creatures for decorative purposes in their food as well?

[light forum]

2. I think that light creatures were used for the powering of the dark stones, that’s what they were needed for so I doubt those were used for cooking. 3. In the golden Wasteland, there is this one pot and a tent above it, you remove the tent and then some of the krill crab things fall into the pot (I really don’t know how to explain what it was well, but that’s the general explanation that I could think of). I think that those “krill crabs” were one of the things that could be eaten. I don’t know much about seafood since I don’t explore the ocean much, but it’s a good bet that that’s a lot of what their diet was. 1. It’s possible that that pot was used for cooking, so they probably cooked in a lot of pots that were similar but are now lost to time. 4. If spirits were like sky kids and used light creatures for “healing” their wings of light (if they even had any) then they probably did have light creatures for decorative purposes.

[grim horizon]

HMMmMmMmm (lol)
i definitely can conclude now that their diet is absolutely a seafood diet.
what im still trying to figure out is if their cooking technology ever developed over time.
alternatively, different realms couldve had different cooking methods? i failed to mention this in my previous comment.
i say this since one realm may have better technology than the other, one realm may specialize in a certain skill and another may specialize in another skill.
for example, prarie or forest elder seemed to have exceptional craftsmanship bc one could plausibly craft pots to hold light creatures within while the other is seen trying to reassemble the darkstone diamond.
valley seems to have the highest technology out of all SIX (excluding ||eden||), since the elders there are all about keeping their audience entertained and having a jolly good time.
aight, now this seems confusing.

[light forum]

I never even thought about having different cooking methods, but it does seem very possible. How they cooked, I’m not sure since there isn’t enough information on that yet. I do think that the valley probably had some really advanced cooking technology compared to the other realms with how much more advanced the rest of their technology is compared to other realms (like you stated earlier). I think that the vault of knowledge had some advanced cooking technology compared to the wasteland but not as good as the valley. We know that the wasteland cooked in pots over an open fire, but the rest I’m not sure of. The hidden forest especially had to be different from the rest since there is rain that “kills” you (drains your winged light). If the spirits were also affected by the rain and water in the hidden forest, they had to cook in a way that was under a tree, next to candles, or under one of the glowing mushroom things. There really is not much we know about the past in sky, but I hope this helps 🙂

[lucid bridge]

There’s a piece of concept art that specifies that they grind light creatures into dark crystals to power them

[light forum]

Also, with the isle of dawn, there is not much, to none at all of vegetation in it, so there couldn’t have been any plants to consume in that realm compared to a realm with a lot of vegetation like the hidden forest. There is a large (ocean) going around the isle of dawn so their diet probably consisted of mainly seafood, but the hidden forest has no ocean so not much seafood, but there is a river going through it, so there might have been some small fish. The vault of knowledge didn’t have either of those (to my knowledge), so could there have been an outside world of the vault, or did all the spirits in the vault live in one of the other realms, but that’s an entirely different topic.

[dusky rapids]

hello! new to sky, but do you guys have any idea of the lore for season of shattering? quite confused in what it's trying to tell 😔

[keen shore]

Season of shattering tells the compelling story of what happens when you stick a fork in the microwave

[hushed steeple]

wasn't there though at one point? (referring to how the isle has grass in the "Runaway" segment of the concert)

[marsh bridge]

you can see it here too

isle used to be very grassy

[marsh bridge]

btw, the dark water rain wasn't in hidden forest according to this teaser

[light forum]

I never really noticed that before 🧍‍♂️. I don’t really have anything else then lol

[hushed steeple]

When were on the subject, waistland also seams to have been green in some places

There were probably desert and inhospitable areas in the old days, just like we have in our world. But it curtainly wasnt a realm wide think like we have in sky today

[hushed steeple]

Its also quite posible that Voult originally got most of there food from the other realms.
After all, there a realm of scholors, scribs, thinkers, (possibly inventors) and archivists.
They were probably subsidised by the kimgdom for all of the advances in light mastery and the preservetion and recording of history, which would include food.

Also with the war going the way it did, and Voult elder suspecting they could be great devestation in the future, there were probably great stores of food saved saved up.
This is probably how the voult people and refugies got by when the shatering started and Voult locked itself from the rest of the world

[oblique garnet]

1st one:

So apparently the third eye of the skykids is where the honk comes from. It becomes even more clear using the focusing circle of the camera. Although the bigger/continuing honk isn't centered well in this pic

Addition:
I recently read a theory somewhere here that, since we (skykids) can see the honks, they might have something to do with the third eye and not (or not only) with sound.
ref: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

So I did this test to see from where the honks even originate from, and although it seems pretty obvious, it's definitely something worth talking about imo

2nd one: (Question)

Was this shape around the light core always there?

The shape is kinda like this
Similar to many other shapes/symbols in the game

[oblique garnet]

3rd one:

I found this interesting too. Aren't these two spirits familiar?

They're sitting here next to each other, facing the general direction of the Hopeful Steward (who's sitting too btw).

And when we approach them, the long-haired one waves at us (iirc) and if we do the "follow me" emote, they both hold our hands, as if we were parents and child

So what could that mean?

[oblique garnet]

Also, please tell me if my formatting is setting y'all off, because it's not for me but rather for you

[lucid bridge]

Your formatting’s fine

[lucid bridge]

I really love this detail and hadn’t noticed it before

[light minnow]

I like the formatting

[lucid bridge]

The honk can find other skykids, the light path, and spirits, so I think that makes sense that it’s connected to the light

[oblique garnet]

Ohh true haven't thought about that

And the honks can transfer light to other skykids (charge their wing energy).
Also how do you think the ability to flip over dark crabs works? (Is it like a shock wave for dark creatures? Krills are unfazed tho, and red shard crabs charge at any honk they sense)
Or how the throwing of holdable things works? (Maybe this is actual physical throwing for which the skykids use their hands, only they honk too while doing it?)

[silent tide]

Maybe the light energy that comes from the honk helps the crabs get away

[oblique garnet]

while holding them?

[silent tide]

Wait what

[oblique garnet]

Sorry I didn't understand what exactly u meant

[silent tide]

Aren't we talking about how the crab flips from the honk

[oblique garnet]

Yes, wdym by "helps the crabs get away"

[silent tide]

Oh like it helps the crabs stay away from the skykid

[oblique garnet]

Oh, true. But what about the implications of it, and what does the third eye specifically do there?

[silent tide]

It might be the head core of energy but like you said yes it's possible that the honks comes from that third eye

[oblique garnet]

Maybe the crabs just don't like spiritual third eye honks

[silent tide]

The third eye is shaped like a diamond ♦
We've seen diamond shapes in many sky realms

Even on spirits and props

[light forum]

I’m not sure what it could mean, I don’t think this happens with any other spirit (I don’t have internet so I can’t check right now lol), but it is possible that these spirits specifically are important to us.

[oblique garnet]

They reminded me of a pair of spirits in the animated project. They also had a smaller spirit (child, alef??) with them. And it was talked about way up somewhere

[grim horizon]

curious to know where we exit from when we start our journey thru orbit.
once we lose all our wl and become petrified, the game transitions to our dark half falling into a seemingly endless void, where we take painful steps and meet our light half.
after we hug the light kid, we rise up in the air via a strong upwards current.

Im just wondering how the eden -> void -> orbit transition leads us out of that tunnel
and...whats that statue structure thing in the second image

[hushed steeple]

Yeah, this part is a bit confusing georgaphicly geographicly speaking😅
The end of the game deffinetly emphasises more the emotional journey over the phisical.

Here is how I see this

[light forum]

Just rewatched the animated project and yeah they do remind me of the spirits and the smaller (child). There is only one cutscene we have of Alef (I believe it is in the Vault of Knowledge) and there is a (mural? Painting?) that I remember seeing somewhere, however, it does not have a very good depiction on what he could have looked like. It totally could have been Alef, but it could have been a random child too. (Not to shut down your theory or anything, we just don’t have a lot to go on when it comes to Alef)

[hushed steeple]

1 When you look at the castle city thats in orbit from the Two embers trailers, you see that even back then it was not atached to the mountain, but rather floating in mid air.

[hushed steeple]

2 And when you look REALLY CLOSE with the camera, you can see that its also floating in mid air,
Only know its a little banged up, with a highter part and a lower part

[oblique garnet]

Yes, I just read it somewhere and thought about it when I looked at them. And I don't know much about all the names and the difference between the King and the Prince.
But someone theorized that in the animation trailer, the child who's with the two spirits could be aleph (I think, or maybe the prince/king/I don't remember), and since there's also the popular theory that we as skykids are the king/prince/idk, it could be possible that the interaction with the spirits in Aviary and the ones in the trailer have some parallels

[hushed steeple]

3 Also, the whole void realm that you enter at the end isnt neceseraly another phisical location, but rather like another state if reality that your soul is interacting with, while your body is still crumbled dead on the flore (and probably still is even when you leave for edan)

[hushed steeple]

So, here is my current working theory on how this whole thing works geographicly😅

[hushed steeple]

• In your journey through Waistland you reach the castle tample at the very base of the mountain, and take a tunel that lets you enter inside and into the voult realm
• In Voult you take the elevator most of the way up the mountain, skiping most of the storm and krill along the way until you reach the begining of edan
• After that you make the final most perelous zig zag journey up the mountain, until you reach the phisical top plato where you got the Edan diamond

[hushed steeple]

• Once there, you make your last walk toward the diamond, and eventually die
• Once your mostly dead, your soul enters the voild realm, while phisicly still being in the same place near the power diamond
• With your body left behind and your soul trancended, you ride the the light beam up in the sky, thriugh the thick clouds that swirl above the Edan diamond, and reach the castle city above
• Then you make your way through and eventually above the city and the castle, finally leavinf the entirety of the storm and going off into orbit proper

[hushed steeple]

This is of course, still a working theory and very rought drawings acompaneing it😅
There are deffinetly so wonkey proportions in sky with how big things are represented when viewed from different point.
But I hope this does make sence to you as a kind of general idea of your final journey

Im hoppeing to hear what you think, as I am still workng out the bugs on this theory as I speak😅😅😅

[charred willow]

Hey guys, is there a common consensus on what each shattering vision means?

[lucid bridge]

Each shattering memory shows events that happened around the red Eden crystal; specifically, it shows creatures that got sucked into the void by the crystal. Which means that the elders died when the crystal shattered. That last part is slightly theoretical but I think it’s heavily implied.

[light forum]

Yeah, Alef was the prince and I believe that Resh was the king, (but I’ve also seen people say that Alef was the king so idrk). I’ve also seen the theory that the sky kids are the “reincarnation” of Alef. It makes a lot of sense that those interactions are probably just parallels. I haven’t really looked into the theory of the sky kids being the reincarnation of Alef so I can’t say much about that until I get more info on it.

[soft timber]

This makes sense as the king as a child looked different from the ancestors, almost similar to how skykids are alike to the king (especially in concept art). The reincarnation theory can still hold up, but I also assume that we are like the Children of Light in a kinda literal sense, as in the Light created the king and skykids in a similar if not the same way

[viral pond]

When we are ascending, had anyone noticed our world? Like, genuine question, are there other kid species, are the realms different planets, universes? Is Eden the World and all the realms leading up to it are like continents, and Eden is like, the north pole since it’s at the very top of sky kid world??

[dreamy saddle]

A bit poor quality here but concept art shows each realm as part of one presumed planet

[hushed steeple]

Basically, sky kingdom is just McDonald mc flurry

[hushed steeple]

Well it use to be at one point of the development.

Up to the early test version of sky from early 2018, this was how the continent more or less looked.
Mind you a lot of the realms had changed a lot since the map was first made, but you still started on the Isle of down, took a fairy up to Priery and then just went in a spiral until you reached the end.

Then with the first aviary in May 2018 the map kinda changed, and continued to change until global release.
These days the path is less a swirl and more a wigly inverter "S" leter

[hushed steeple]

Ooh

[jolly tundra]

📝

[ocean saddle]

the main path is the shape of the letter "S" all along?

[bright sail]

hello, is anyone able to give me some more information on the prince and the king? i've seen names of alef and resh tossed around but i don't know who they are or who the figures of the prince/the king are or what they did

[rigid mural]

wondering if the forest elder is a blacksmith because rain clouds are usually anvil-shaped

[viral bay]

It made me think of the eden clouds. If it is shaped like this thunderstorm, then when we die and get reincarnated in our pure light form without the wax shell and flying with the creatures through he cloud above the crystal, the Overshooting top/Anvils could be Orbit.

It would also explain the lightning that flashes we see in Vault right before going into Eden, after watching elder cutscene, as well as the heavy downward wind present in Eden mountain itself, with the Cool Downdraft.

The second area of Eden filled with krills, surrounded by swirling clouds would be deep inside the Troposphere, according to that diagram.

[light forum]

Yeah, that’s what I’ve been thinking ever since I started getting into the lore of the game.

[light forum]

Alef is the prince, and Resh is the king. They were the king/prince of Eden back when it was a civilization. There are a bunch of speculations that King Resh and/or Prince Alef had something to do with the destruction of the sky kingdom. There is more to it, but I can’t think of it right now.

[silent tide]

Prince alef was raised by the daleth (isle elder)
The king got too greedy and released corruption in eden

Golden wasteland might be the battle ground that got fully destroyed (war scene)

[crisp socket]

I decided to watch the animation project trailer again, and I noticed some interesting facts—

I think I am able to trace the “uncorrupted” version of krill to the manta that has the yellow searchlight and a small gray helmet

Even more interesting is the placement of the searchlight- it’s on the tip of the helmet, a lot like how the krill searchlight is located at the point of the head

[edgy kernel]

even the helmet it self looks really krill like with the segments

[hushed steeple]

The one elder manta in the sanctuary island has a beak, the helmet thing might be a part of that creature

Whale has a similar-looking thing too based on the helmet/armor on their head

[hushed steeple]

Tho it might just be a helmet xD idk

[edgy kernel]

its sorta hard to tell, I feel like the stuff on the whales/larger mantas is probably a beak, and its kinda lookin like its made of the same kinda stone as the crabs.
In this closeup shot in the nintendo switch launch trailer, you can see that it has a small hole in it where that rope is attached to the golden ring, which makes it seem like a helmet. a couple people noted the inner white part under the helmet might be its actual mouth, too.
But, knowing that a lot of light creatures can grow stone looking material like that and that the ancestors didnt exactly treat light creatures all that well, it wouldn't actually surprise me if that little hole is a piercing made by the ancestors, like its got that square ring on it and they just tie the ropes to that to steer the creature. then maybe i'd say the inner white part would be its teeth, maybe.

assuming its the same light creature, you can see the head of it get darker, so i dont think it'd be white like the bit of mouth/teeth you can see. i'm not really sure, heh

[lucid bridge]

To me it looks like blinders on a horse, placed there to keep the manta focused and in control of the ancestor riding it.

[edgy kernel]

could very much be for that exact purpose i think

I wonder, if these guys turned into krills maybe they never got the helmets taken off or they were so used to it their corrupted form stayed like it, heh

[lucid bridge]

I think they just see with one eye. Krills have those big antennae on them and I don’t think the hood would fit under there. And regular, unhooded mantas all have a big diamond eye spot on their heads.

The hooded manta’s colors are more reminiscent of the krill and I think that is intentional as the creature is being subjugated by technology

[edgy kernel]

i was thinkin a like, helmet got formed into em kinda thing when they turned to krill, seeing as the helmet looks like its made of stone, and if the krill is stone too it could have just merged

[hushed steeple]

I've got a question, I tried getting into the lore behind the game and looked up on youtube if there's ACTUAL confirmed lore but they all sound like theories, are there actual confirmed lore details already? I found one going on about the different stages of life we go through being shown through the maps we visit during gameplay and I agreed that that is how it felt like for me playing until the end of the eden story.

[lucid bridge]

Very little is stated outright. Almost all lore is to be interpreted by the player. There are clues implying things throughout environment details and cutscenes, but that’s it. As for the concrete lore in text, it is very vague and can be found entirely within the game.
There are some pieces of concept art that shed more light on the developers intentions when creating the game, but as they are concept art they are not officially canon as they are not part of the live version of the game itself.
In sum, lots of things are implied but it’s pretty much mostly up to the player to decide what exactly happened.

[edgy kernel]

yeah there is very little in the way of writing ingame, and what is written like spirit names and the dialogue in the intro cinematic is very interpretive
everything after that is visual or implied maybe by spirits in memories or cutscenes. like you mention though like the different cycles of of life and time of day, i think that one is actually one of the maybe only direct confirmed things as its on a poster inside the office, heh

[hushed steeple]

Oh okay, I see, so are there like already "Community-Accepted" lore theories?

[lucid bridge]

Yes; i think there is a google doc of theories somewhere

[brisk pumice]

Sort of? There are some widely accepted ones, but they are far from universal.

[hushed steeple]

Oh okay, I will try finding them then, I really wanna read into the story line and lore and give my piece of mind to it, I do that with most series I watch or games I play.

[brisk pumice]

I mainly used this when I was new to lore, it's a good starting point https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Amity206/Sky_Lore_Theories

[hushed steeple]

Oh I just started reading away without thanking you, mb! Thanks a lot!

Also thanks to the others! Will hopefully be able to share some thoughts soon

[brisk pumice]

It was created by Amity206, (secretly a giant isopod on this server) so thank them when you get a chance

[lucid bridge]

Once thing to note is that the Prince mentioned in that wikia link is not the Little Prince in the Season of the Little Prince

Or is he? 🤨 /halfjoking

[hushed steeple]

Shouldn't we maybe refer to them as "Golden Prince" and "Little Prince"? I am currently reading upon that part

[brisk pumice]

That would be interesting! I just refer to them as "Alif" and "Little Prince" But Golden Prince could work as well!

[hushed steeple]

I will just give my own theory on some little things. Starting with the elders and the places they guard, and how I see their names connected to it. But I will also include the "Golden Prince" and a character we might see in the future.

1. Elder - Daleth: Hebrew for "Opening a door", pretty much the first place we visit is "Isle of Dawn" which is pretty empty and has not much to show yet, however it is the opening to our door into the other realms and the place where we first learn how to handle ourselves and figure things out.
2. Elder - Ayin: Hebrew for "Eye" or "To see" but also to "Understand and Obey". This one refers to the Daylight Prairie where we see a more colorful environment for the first time and slowly start to understand the beauty of the game.
3. Elder - Teth: Hebrew for "Good" and is often used in sentences to point out that someone has done good things. This is the realm where we are doing good deeds all over the place but mostly for the treehouse where we help spirits build it up again. We are rewarded for being "Good" at exploring this realm as it offers a lot of hidden passages and other secrets.
4. Elder - Samekh: Hebrew for "Support", "Protection" and "Memory". This one is for the "Valley of Triumph". Here when we first arrive at the colliseum are supported by others and celebrated for reaching and collecting the spirits this far. We also relive a lot of memories from other spirits in this one and slowly but surely are using our light we give of as protection from the crabs (Krills follow later as much as I have noticed).
5. Elder - Tsadi: Hebrew for "Formation" and "Action". And like the name implies, Action starts here with the appearance of krills and the formation as we basically fight our way through to the old castle.
6. Elder - Lamed: Hebrew for "Learning" and is commonly used in the sentence "Done with heart and soul". This one clearly refers to the Vault of Knowledge and we learn a lot here and test our skills we have gathered in a final trial before Eden.

Now for the two characters I mentioned above:

1. The Golden Prince - Alef: Hebrew for "First", "Familiar" and "To be acquainted with". His name might refer to the fact that we see him at the end of the story and is also the first spirit we see before we start our journey again. Familar, as a matter of fact, because he sees all the children at the end and guides them back once more.
2. Unknown Character yet but I gave the spirit a name that might fit - Tef: Hebrew for "Last One" and there is a saying "From aleph to Tef" or as we would say "From the beginning 'til the end". As we are missing a spirit for the Eden part, we might come to find this one at a later time in the story. So just for theory, I gave that spirit a name we might be able to refer to.

Also, I apologize if anyone came up with these connections beforehand, pretty new on here but got invested right away.

[dense inlet]

Holy mcmoly this is amazing and the meanings for all the Elders' names

Also, may I ask who is the Golden Prince?

[brisk pumice]

Their name for the prince

[plain fern]

Krills have noses right?

[raven quiver]

You're saying that the search light range is actually their sniffing range? 💀

[hushed steeple]

What is the name of the creature in the photo above?

They kinda look like krills.. Maybe that was their original appearance but with the pollution and wrong use of the light by the humans, they became corrupted or something

[plain fern]

The Fish manta sniffer? Idk

[lucid bridge]

Krills come from corrupted mantas

[somber drum]

But they act like dogs

[cold sparrow]

we don't know that for sure

[lucid bridge]

That’s true. I believe this is heavily implied, however, in-game. My main piece of supporting evidence is the mural in Abyss.

It is also possible that krills come from other light creature species that have been corrupted, not just mantas.

[cold sparrow]

Sure, but without hard evidence, it might be best to specify this is your personal theory, lest a newbie might take your words as face-value and hard facts

[edgy kernel]

finally checking out the blog post. does this guy seem... like they've got a different shaped head for a krill? i see no blue light eye its kinda flat almost.

I know its at a low angle, but it almost proportionally looks shorter, too

[hushed steeple]

It's already been answered before, but it's Alef the Prince to me, just thought calling them the Golden Prince is less confusing because there's also the Little Prince.

[edgy kernel]

tried my best to recreate the angle, and scaled the ingame screenshot i just took of a krill based on the size of the front pointy bits

I realize that people have probably already played this in beta, and apparently might have also played it on the chinese servers of sky too so whatever thoughts i have are probably already confirmed or not but im gonna try and make sense of it myself anyway

[silent tide]

Maybe there are still some ancient creatures buried in sky realms

Do you know the bone structure in forest boneyard growls when you step on it

[hushed steeple]

My guess is the same as yours, it's not fully clear to me if that's actually supposed to be a Manta as well, looks more like some sort of whale to me, but the thing is, the resemblance is almost too identical and the only major difference are the horns which are a typical corruption symbol, the boney structure is just as much displaying that. I'd assume living close to the Dark Stones it got corrupted, however just like their original form, their light is basically "sniffing" or "resonating" with life forms via light and it's able to detect that, almost like a hunting dog can pick up traces of things it has sniffed.

[hushed steeple]

Is it confirmed that Krills always use their search light? If not, it could be a phase where it's not activating it right now?

[edgy kernel]

transparent overlay version

[silent tide]

Isn't it the same krill

[hushed steeple]

Look at the head-structure. That sticks out the most, but it could also just be the slight angle of it turning.

[edgy kernel]

the krill im taking a photo of is one in wasteland, not the new season.

also in reply to Zurumi, it seems their light turns off if they've krilled someone recently, there's someone here getting spam krilled for some reason and im seeing its light not on for a bit afterwards

[silent tide]

It's most probably the turning angle

[silent tide]

This might be the case as it always just flies high after krilling someone then comes back

[hushed steeple]

Some sort of cooldown maybe, I've never noticed that. Always busy running as soon as the light turns red lmao. But anyway, I think it's to give players a better chance at surviving, hence they deactivate it for a couple of seconds. Could be justified as a non-hungry animal after just eating, they normally have a rather chill phase after eating, examples are tigers and lions, where they are then too lazy to hunt if not hungry.

[silent tide]

I wonder how krill would look once it's uncorrupted

[hushed steeple]

I still think it's the whale thing that one spirit is riding above in the pictures

[silent tide]

Wait, which picture

[hushed steeple]

^ these pictures, ofc nothing confirmed

[silent tide]

Yeah, that makes more sense but it's just the light on it's head

[hushed steeple]

I gave my explanation as well as to why I think, someone called it a manta but it looks more of a whale.

[hushed steeple]

What I wonder is why there's only Krills, and not Mono-rays or Hex-Rays or any other of the light beings.

Crabs I can get behind as dark stones with unpure energy, but I wouldn't call them any creature that we've seen before as a light version.

[silent tide]

I definitely don't see a manta there

[silent tide]

Maybe because the krills were the only ones in the wasteland which was the battle ground? So they're the only ones affected

And yeah crabs would just attack

[edgy kernel]

Ok i have one last shrimp related image to share to rest my case 🦐

Middle is our weird new krill
Left has the horns scaled to match size
Right is length matched to see the horn size difference

I think thats the best angle i can get

They dont have the same head shape i think. and they almost look stubbier with a thinner tail

[silent tide]

Burnt shrimp

[hushed steeple]

Or they are something different entirely? Could be based on a skeleton shrimp

[edgy kernel]

like a chonkier version of that maybe, heh

[silent tide]

They're burnt 💀

[leaden field]

Friendly krill variant??

[fickle snow]

… i leave for a month or 3 and what the HeCk new kril?#?

[cold sparrow]

I don't think it's a different krill
it might be edited a little for the screenshot
looks like the bright nose got edited out maybe
the head is turned more to the camera, and the tail might look more sleek because it's made out of moving parts
you can see the leg near the back also in a different point in the animation cycle than the krill next to it

[potent sedge]

I'm so curious about these deer

Is it a single deer or is it multiple ones?

[cold sparrow]

it's based on a chinese tale, so you can look into that if you want to know more

[hushed steeple]

Hoping it's little deers turning into a big one. With each quest it grows, showing us that with each task we grow on our way. Just want some meaning behind it. Then again, deers are representing pure thoughts, so we might get tasks where we fight evil in new areas and help recover them? I haven't looked into it too much yet, but you can make a lot with it

[potent sedge]

oooo

[bright sail]

in the movie that the collab is inspired by it's just one deer, also referred to as "the deer of nine colors"

[ocean saddle]

am I convinced that few people have seen the nine coloured deer story before the sky cotl collab season?

[bright sail]

i watched it the other day out of curiosity, it was pretty good for being 40 years old

[hushed steeple]

Don't think so, but I am curious if they do something with the 9-colors. In the story itself they are not of great relevance besides being mentioned in the written story, I have not seen the short movie yet. The deer helps people all around, a travelling merchant ("Probably the one we see flying on that Whale creature, also yes, I call it a whale, not a manta, fight me.") and saves another from drowning but I will not go further into the story for people who want to read it up themselves. I just hope the colors are more portrait in this story.

[willow falcon]

Random thought
Do the sky kids ever age?

[grim python]

can’t find the screenshot but it’s been confirmed skykids cannot and will not grow up

[hushed steeple]

I was also looking for a source where I read about the theories as for why not. I think it had to do with the discovery of the Dark Stone and the corruption of Eden, something with the light being out of control there I assume.

[willow falcon]

Ok that’s good to know

[proper oracle]

On the subject of the whale there's the dark leviathan in the valley→wasteland, the Orbit cut (it knocks over a tower), and the ending of the Abyss season. Wonder if it's a decorrupted one of those?

[willow falcon]

Here’s me with another thought because me and my friend were discussing this

It’s about the dreams guide and the ice skater girl
Are they related? It’s implied but there’s no outright confirmation of it Ingame

[bright sail]

it's never confirmed but i always got the impression it was her as a child

specifically because all of the quests are "memories", and the ult rewards you get from the guide are what the young girl wore for her performance

[hushed steeple]

Idk, always imagened them as a proud teacher and pupil

[hushed steeple]

Following my answer, it's probably because I had a scene from a ballet/dance film in my head that I've seen before

[cold sparrow]

to be fair, all of the spirits are memories
every time we relive a spirit, we relive their memories

[bright sail]

all of the base game ones yeah, the seasons on average tend to be in the present though

[edgy kernel]

Im not sure why they would choose to edit out the krill's eye, and i dont think their heads turn downward like that normally? My only thought is that the ground seems to have a red highlight, around the sky kid and on the tips of some of the plants. Maybe i could think that they were being krilled during the screenshot for the red light, but edited it out.

Doesnt quite make sense though as this fella still seems a bit shorter and thinner around the tail to me

[cold sparrow]

I believe if they were to introduce a new variant of krill, they would make the differences more noticable
compare krill to the leviathan
or the different types of manta - being dual-wing, quad-wing, giant whales, etc.

it would be more than just the tail being more slim or the head more stout
the more obvious explanation for this pic is that this is simply due to perspective and animation cycle

[hushed steeple]

Lower grade types of mantas might have been too weak to resist the dark stone/corruption and might have actually end up dead because of it. Hence they don't include these ones. However, I think that it's just the angle that makes it look a little different. Technically there's no point in having the same mob twice with the same abilities (even though we don't know if it would've different abilities). I think they would've made major changes to the design to identify them easier.

[proper oracle]

Idk these have been two different angles, I think they're dropping a new krill

[silent tide]

Not sure but if there really is a real krill soon then I hope it's friendly

[edgy kernel]

Im thinking its probably mostly just a shorter variant, but for what reason i dont know

I got the angle the best i think i can, and no matter which way i put it the horns and the body seem proportionally different to me. I suppose they could be like, bent in such a way that a huge part of their back is arched like a cat. They only are like that a bit as they reset from spotting something. At the angle i think we'd see that though

we actually have different sizes we've seen already, via the map or the small one seen in the memory of anxious angler.

I wonder if this potentially shorter fella would be part of a quest

Im unfamiliar with the story this season is based on, but maybe its a special blind krill which is symbolic for something, they mentioned some traitor to the realms

[hushed steeple]

Well, no, there not.
Boath the ice skater girl and the dream guide are interacting with each other in all the momories that they are shown (peaking each other up, holding each other, one showing the other new tricks)
And the guide dream guide is together with all the other dream spirits chearing for the ice skater girl while she is doing her big performance in the coloseum (and a few other times before in the village)

So yeah, there just teacher and student😅 😅😅

[hushed steeple]

Honestly, until the live version alowes to freely explore the realm, we cant say for curtain if this really is a new type of krill, or just a case of tweeking the perspective and behavior of the krill in order to make a more interesting scene

[edgy kernel]

yeah, we wont know till we know
have they ever edited screenshots or altered the poses of things before in promo images?

[hushed steeple]

Hard to say. We will know when the time comes
Ps Do you know when the season starts? I've been out of the loop these last few days😅

[edgy kernel]

15th! so its exactly two weeks of break between seasons this time heh

[hushed steeple]

Oh, thats neat. So we wont have to wait for long

[hushed steeple]

Also, hypothetical question.
When do you think it would oficially be ok to post the Nine colour dear animated film on this channel

Like, is few days after the season begines alright, or do we have to wait till the last quest😅

[light minnow]

I would say probably a couple days after the season starts it'd be fair to discuss the source material

[edgy kernel]

if its an older story or animated film i dont suspect it'd be bad to link it, heh. anyone willingly watching it would be kinda choosing to spoil it for themselves lol
but if i watched it id probably wait to talk about it since a lot of people will probably experience it through sky lol

[hushed steeple]

Good point.
Personaly Im gonna take @light minnow advice and wait for a few days.

The main reason why I was asking is becouse you know people are gonna descuse the canonicity of every single bit of this season when it comes out ( it being a colab season and all)

Knowing what the sorce material actually is might help give context to the season ( whats a reference to the story, whats new, whats changed)

[hushed steeple]

Not really anything in that direction if we base it on the known chinese lore behind the deer story. You can find the whole story written online as well as the video footage, nothing of the sort of a krill would appear in it.

[proper oracle]

I thought the season was over! Do we know why they haven't turned the seasonal candles to regular yet?

[hushed steeple]

Am, they have🤨

[hushed steeple]

They did so already, I think. I remember getting a message about it

[light minnow]

They did
I got my happy little candle stash sitting there

[hushed steeple]

My personal guess is that we get a task to help the deer for each color it represent, doing a good deed for spirits. But since we do not have warriors that could harm us at the moment, I suppose they will use the krills and crabs and maybe something new like some assume

[edgy kernel]

gotcha, i can only wonder then

[hushed steeple]

My last sentence above yours, might give a hint as to how they "Could" implement a new enemy

[edgy kernel]

ahhhh, interesting

[proper oracle]

Huh, it hasn't yet for me, I still have the seasonal candles. Should I find a way to contact support?

[edgy kernel]

oh thats weird lol

[proper oracle]

To the bug channel I go!

[bright sail]

well the whole point of the game is to form your own interpretations, so you're more than welcome to have a different one from mine and them both be correct

[nova geyser]

Are there any theories about why we can’t see Eden from some places? (coughSANCTUARYcough)

[lucid bridge]

Bizarre! I just went to Sanctuary and I’ve never noticed that before! Maybe it’s because Sanctuary is so far away from the rest of the Sky Kingdom?

[dusk zephyr]

it also seems to be under the cloud layer.
I don't think you can see eden in wasteland either but I'd have to double check to be sure

[nova geyser]

You can’t but I figured that was from wasteland smog

[bright sail]

yeah i think sanctuary is on the outer edge of the kingdom; one side is completely clear (and an endless ocean) and the other is covered with clouds that lead to wind paths, so they probably block out any clear view of eden

[still glade]

Some of sky lore confuses me.

During the eye of eden part where [SPOILERS] ||You limp over to a winged light all weak and flail and dark and you fuse with it|| Are winged lights essentially a part of the sky characters? And do they still have consciousness while part of the sky characters??? if so is it painful for the winged lights or in other words the fallen?

[empty seal]

Can we talk about the neverending loop of torture the skykids go through constantly

[trim wren]

It makes me so sad when i think about that because they’re literally just children and they’ve gotta go though all that😭

[devout storm]

Nah they kids they enjoy the repetitiveness of the matrix 😂

[severe flare]

I don’t think that they’re necessarily fully conscious, but rather are imprints of past moments/feelings/consciousnesses. I believe the two most popular theories about what they are is that they’re either remnants of the first generation of skykids, or imprints of the prince of the sky kingdom (I think this second theory may be more likely since iirc there was a quote from one of the devs that the winged light children represent a certain character who is connected to our sky children? or something like that, I don’t have the quote on hand unfortunately)

[still glade]

I guess what makes me most confused as of why as soon as you get your first winged light your stuck with the winged light forever, as in if you rid of all of them you're forced to take it again. Are they a form of ||parasite|| or are they just there? Idk, I'm very stuck on that part

[tawdry copper]

The way I see it, the WL serves as a means of expanding your lifeforce. Kinda like Heart Containers in Zelda games, you're stuck with the WL until you die as it serves as your whole lifeforce. The cape is kind of a physical manifestation of that in a way, I would presume. Just a theory, though

[severe flare]

I mean, we need winged light to fly more, so that’s why we collect it - I don’t really get why you would think of it as being “stuck with it”, it’s something that’s entirely useful or beneficial. I don’t think parasite is accurate at all, they’re not biological creatures and they’re not harmful to you

[still glade]

But then how come we lived perfectly fine before taking the winged light at the start of the game?

[bright sail]

that is interesting though, that despite being a sky kid you first land without a cape, and you only acquire it after taking the first WL (which may be a prince remnant)

[tawdry copper]

Kinda like in Zelda how you typically start with only 3 hearts (or 6 in the case of Skyward Sword), being capeless and having only a flame and no cape is kinda the equivalent of that

[still glade]

But then why do we die after if we lose all WL if its "just for flying?" also at the start of the game you didn't need it but as soon as you get one you'll die without it which is strange, as we see adult spirits without any winged lights or capes meaning that they didn't need it at all
[this also is for @tawdry copper]

[tawdry copper]

The capeless-not-dying thing is more of a gameplay thing than a lore thing imo. Personally I believe that Skykids without capes can still die (and are much more likely to die) due to having such low health. The only reason we don't see it in Sky is cuz playing capeless isn't intended anyway and the devs probably never thought that far ahead when programming

[bright sail]

sky kids are different from spirits just an fyi

spirits may have capes but they're purely cosmetic, sky kids are a separate thing entirely— they can fly first of all, and they're permanently children

they're a hybrid race of spirits and light creatures, made by the mother bird solely to revitalize the world (from what i remember)

[still glade]

ohhh okay that makes sense

[tawdry copper]

The second part kinda conflicts with my headcanon that Skykids can grow up tbh I always thought that Skykids can become adults (since Tall Spell description says "Grow into an adult for 10 mins"), we just don't see it happen naturally Ig

[severe flare]

Hmm… there’s not really a known answer, but my best try at an in-lore interpretation is that sky kids choose to carry the WL with them as part of them so that they can return those souls to the statues in eden, and once they make that choice they have tied their life metaphysically to those souls and to their journey of sacrifice, which is what makes them die if they lose all the WL. That’s just an attempt at an on-the-fly interpretation, though! Also yes, as the others pointed out, sky kids are a different type of being than spirits/ancestors

[bright sail]

i remember someone saying earlier in this chat that TGC stated they never grow up, but i'll try and find that message again to fact check

[severe flare]

I’m not sure the fact they can grow to that size using a temporary spell would mean that they can do so naturally without the use of magic

[tawdry copper]

Tbf even the adult spell would equate to like 3ft tall IRL, which is definitely not the average size of an adult human Either Skykids' adult height is really small or we just don't see them grow up in-game (but I still firmly believe they can grow up)

[bright sail]

miles said it here but unfortunately i don't know what screenshot they're referring to

[bright sail]

i disagree honestly, mainly because resize spells are permanent but the adult resize spell is specifically temporary only

same with the chibi spell, though there is the permanent mask alternative

[severe flare]

huh? I think you may be saying the same thing I was ^^”

[bright sail]

oh really? you said it would mean they can grow that tall naturally

[tawdry copper]

Chibi is quite literally the size of a baby tbh, since they can only be chibi through spells or a mask I'd say it's safe to say Skykids can age from babies (though smallest height is also quite close, hence why I call my Skykid a baby)

[still glade]

Masks are usually a cosmetic object so I believe that the sky kids are permanently kids from my understanding, as compared to the spirits they are around the size of toddlers in regular size or original mask. this is just from my understanding however

[severe flare]

No I said that the fact that it’s a temporary spell means they probably can’t grow to that size naturally. Sorry I probably should’ve worded it more clearly

[tawdry copper]

The Tall Spell is the max height you can obtain from resizes iirc. Though each Skykid's max height depends on their scale, too, so that fluctuates a bit

[bright sail]

@ nova, ohh i think i inserted a comma that wasn't actually there completely changed the meaning

[tawdry copper]

Mood, grammar FTW

[bright sail]

the adult spell is bigger than max height, it makes you roughly the size of an adult spirit

edit: nvm im thinking of growth spell

[severe flare]

oh wait really? I guess I was mixing those spells up too since I never use them

[tawdry copper]

I use them frequently tbh, I guess that explains why I know the difference

[bright sail]

time to log into sky and look at the spell descriptions again

[severe flare]

But yes I would really like to see what screenshot this person was referring to as it could potentially lay this debate to rest if it’s true a dev said that

[tawdry copper]

Won't stop me from having a headcanon about Skykids growing up, but I'd like to see it too /lh

[bright sail]

headcanons are perfectly fine, it's just good to keep in mind that (unless that screenshot is found) neither are confirmed

[severe flare]

That’s fair, I’d also probably do the same thing of still headcanoning them as permanent children even if the opposite was confirmed since I personally feel strongly about that interpretation ^_^

[hushed steeple]

do sky kids eat anything?? ive looked everywhere for any sign of food in the game and the only evidence of food ever being in sky is the dev area ☠️ Do the children just eat candle wax?? or is light their source of food?

[bright sail]

i think the closest we get to actual food are the snacks offered by some chat tables, or grandma's wax event
so i'd say wax/light are the closest forms of food they get

[hushed steeple]

Theyre missing out on stale pizza (Food found in one of the rooms in the dev building)

[tawdry copper]

I personally believe that Skykids can eat anything as long as it's very hot (as in, fresh-out-of-the-oven/pot/pan hot). Which unfortunately means they probably wouldn't eat the stale pizza as it's probably cold by now

[hushed steeple]

The closest thing they have to ovens are fire places 😭 How can they be so Futuristic yet stone age at the same time

[bright sail]

apocalypse /silly

[hushed steeple]

is it possible for them to make Giant rock mechs?!?

ah.. considering what I said theirs no electricity yet, and the frequency from their light is too slow. (measuring how long it takes to open a Light activated door/healing a player) Electricity travels WAYYY faster than light.. (they could still make energy weapons though )

[severe flare]

The technology that sky kids use is left over from the ancestors’ society, I’m not sure if sky kids would actually be capable of creating any of it themselves

Also when it comes to food, sky kids dont seem to be made of flesh like humans are (couldnt really think of a less gross sounding way to word that 😅) so I think they likely dont have the organs to digest food like stomachs either. If that was the case they both wouldnt be capable of eating food and also just wouldnt need to

[edgy kernel]

they can eat and drink if they want to though it seems, heh

[hushed steeple]

Fair enough. This is deffinetly a big part of the game, and I shouldent push my own view on you if you dont like it☺️

Still, one would expect that you create your interpretation based on whats shown in the game, not what you would like things to be.
You are perfectly free to have your own interpretation, but just dont expect other people to agree with it if you dont give good reason why its true😅

[bright sail]

i wasn't expecting anyone to agree with me? someone asked for opinions and i gave mine, that was all
i also explained my reasoning right under that original message, it's not my fault if you chose not to read it or didn't consider it "good" enough

however i'd rather just drop the topic since it's not relevant anymore, so i wish you a good day

[hushed steeple]

Well I did read it, understood it, and a few other pointed out the flow.

But your right. I shouldent be such a bother😅
Im sorry if I made you feel bad with this, I can be a little bit of an (beep)hole sometimes with these theory's.
Im a big beliver in evidence, debates and good resurch, but I shouldent be so stubern as to force an opinion on someone

Sorry if this made you feel uncomfortable

[hushed steeple]

I wish you a good day too☺️☺️

[slate pawn]

They are skykid that what is it they are a life form that stay that way their entire life they don't age because ( just my pov) if they age and die before rebuilding the kingdom of sky what the point of skykid anyway now now you might want to say our skykid die and reborn over and over again yes because they are special being a hybird that made out of light and flame if they are like normal spirit they will age and soon die lost their consciousnesses and be totally a new spirit ( my pov btw)

Oh i just though the king is also sky kid bruh nice now my whole pov is totally off

[hushed steeple]

Honestly the whole mater of sky kids growing old or not, there conection to the ancesters, wether they did or did not exist as we know them today, and weather the king was just an ordinery sky kid or something similar but still very different...........
Well all of it kinda falls under the general category of "We can nether comferm or deny"😅😅

[edgy kernel]

Ok we got a closeup of our weird eyeless fella
i wonder if they have a lower number of legs

[hushed steeple]

Hey guy! Is there any blog/video/… that compile sky’s lore? I would like to get back to it but i don’t know where to find an organized database (you can dm me privately as i don’t think sharing links is possible here)

So I just found out the spirit was getting scared at this tiny crab

There aren’t ghosts in the abandoned house

And the pictures with the red eyes are probably fake lol

[edgy kernel]

The red eye pictures are real, but theyre in an out of bounds version of aviary
youve got to clip outside the try on shops and walk over

[hushed steeple]

The red eye thing is a canon thing in sky- it's le crab eyes and you can see them from the animation trailer and season of passage serow mask (the second quest in hidden forest)

This is from TGC channel and if you watch nasty mold you see red glowing eyes too in their playthrough/guide on it

Tho it might be wrong and it might be something different

[edgy kernel]

I think they removed the screenshots of the red eyes in aviary - interestingly enough i just did the clip again to get a screenshot and they're gone now, maybe only there in snowy aviary

gonna see if i saved any image of it

[hushed steeple]

Orr they might remove it for a while so they gonna re-add it back since there is that dark plant in Avairy still

[edgy kernel]

dang the best i have is this, and you cant see the red eyes from there. i hope the screenshot function is fixed soon

[grim horizon]

IS THAT REJECTING VOYAGER AND USHERING STARGAZER?
sources are animation project teaser and sky wiki

also i saw this spirit riding the manta at the beginning of the teaser. i dont think we've ever met them in game.

[steel wigeon]

is that a new teaser?

[grim horizon]

nope, it was the animation project, they put out this video 2 years ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxHFy9503N4

[hushed steeple]

This makes me think, they probably can't recreate old technology but could make new magic

From the emotes sky kids could learn and do telekinesis

[charred willow]

Well they seem to be able to drink (that one LP spirit) so they can probably consume and it turns into light or something like thag

[austere coral]

what the dead birb about?

[edgy kernel]

I think i heard once it was originally a quest or something that would give you the bird call, and though the quest was removed that was left there. i cant remember what early version of sky

[hushed steeple]

I am so excited for this honestly! Great job Thatgamecompany

[grim horizon]

YOOO ME TOO

[bright sail]

i think it comes out sometime this year excite

[rose dew]

could someone give me a brief overview of the lore in chronological order

[dense inlet]

Here is a sky moth lore Google doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

I suggest you try to learn more of Sky lore at your own pace. There are resources for your Sky lore needs in the pinned messages! Have fun learning more about the lore of Sky

[grim horizon]

March 2024 i believe

[bright sail]

so i know theres a theory that you play as the reborn prince, and the winged light you collect around the map are memories from your past life

my question relating to that theory is, does that mean that every sky kid is the reborn prince? since we all collect the same WL? or is there some lore reason for what makes our specific sky kid unique to our playthrough? (other than just "bc we're the one playing" )

[light minnow]

The thing that bothers me about the idea of WL being our own memories is that 1) nothing really ties WL to memories and 2) we actively give them away in eden to help the people who died in it, and it works, so it'd be weird to have a system where gifting our memories specifically would help spirits to be released to orbit
Also yeah sky puts emphasis on the social aspect of it, there's definitely many sky kids in the world and that'd be weird with re incarnation theory
Also another thing is that the prince is barely ever mentioned at all in the game
I can't even remember an in-game mention of him

[bright sail]

i think it being tied to memories is because tgc has referred to them as "lost memories" before, as well as in concept art
but it's never been stated if it's your memories or others'

[light minnow]

I would imagine other's given that eden says to "return the light to them" iirc
I hope i'm not misremembering the quote

[bright sail]

yeah it does say "return the light to the fallen" from what i remember

but i don't think you'd literally be returning memories to them, just the light
it's also strange to me that we as the player are able to break free of the statue on our own (via the final WL(?) in the void, which some also theorize to be the prince), but the other kids / statues need external help from us. i don't know if there was ever a reason stated for that

[light minnow]

I mean to me it looks like you're returning the whole WL to them
Light, memory and whatever else it may be
Also a theory i saw for how we escape eden ourselves is that we were gifted a WL by someone else after dying and spent an unknown time in eden, like how we gifted to the other statues

[bright sail]

maybe, but there's immediately a cutscene showing you escaping with the others you freed

[bright sail]

something else i forgot to point out: the winged light we get across the maps don't have wings

[light minnow]

I mean yeah
I don't think it's the WLs themselves exiting the statues in eden
It's the sky children

[bright sail]

but then what are the WL if not memories of skykids?

[silent tide]

It might also be that we're collecting memories of the lost children who died and return them to the statues in eden. In exchange the light gives us strength?

[jovial wolf]

My personal theory about wl (out of nowhere but my mind), is that wl are nothing more than a gift from megabird to help returning the children in eden to orbit (a bit like megabird threw a lot of light all over the planet) but nothing can prove my point :b

[bright sail]

thats fair, tgc has stated before that we have a "close relationship" with the figure depicted in the winged light
so i think theres something more to it than that

[light minnow]

I mean
The memory not having wings and the actual child having them makes sense to me
Someone's memory isn't the exact same as the person themselves

[bright sail]

it doesnt really make sense to me, since we see skykids depicted in the same yellow light and they all have capes/wings

[light minnow]

I mean
Yeah
The sky kids have wings
And they do too in eden
But there's nothing forcing a memory to be an exact copy of the person

[bright sail]

is there a reason it wouldnt be? /gq

[light minnow]

Memories are more like a part of you than straight up you
So the memory not being a complete representation of the person would make some sense to me
A sky kid without their light has no cape
So the light without the sky kid not having a cape either doesn't sound unreasonable

[bright sail]

well regardless of our differing opinions, i'd like to go back to my original question since this became a long side tangent DJFND

[bright sail]

would anyone who follows this theory be able to answer this for me?

[hushed steeple]

I agree to these points, bothers me too, however it becomes different if we view them as motivation. As we go through the realms, the maps basically resemble our phases we go through when we get into something new that we wanna do or know about. From not knowing anything in the isle to finding inspiration and beauty around us in the prairie, to finding the first negative things in the forrest to then overcome them in the valley only to find us with the real struggles for the first time in the wastelands. Combining our knowledge and experience in the vault only to face that we might be lost on the path to success towards eden. So with that in mind, the wings we return in eden might be the motivation we restore in others to keep going, but not always you succeed even though you try hard, hence you can safe some, but not always all of them. However in case you do safe all of them whether you do it alone or in a group, you end up at the end witnessing what comes after together. And maybe us returning to the start, gives us a chance to find something new once more or pursuit the same thing again and go along with it with different methods this time around. You can really make up a lot of theories about it, but this is the one I settle with because I like it.

[hushed steeple]

But to answer based on theory you gave, I think if we say they are, they could be different approaches to the prince's path. When we play together to find WLs or explore etc, we rely on different experiences of other playthrough experiences. So no, nothing specifically makes us the prince, but technically you could justify it

[hushed steeple]

Well to get back to your question. While this theory that sky kids are the prince reborn is ineresting, theres no actual evidence or good reason given why this theory has any real validity in the first place, other then the fact that its just an interesting idea in and of itself, and that theres a lot about the nature of the world and sky kids thats vegue for most people😅
Your free to belive its true if you want, but there's little point in asking other people about about new ideas based on this this theory

[severe flare]

I think the WL being remnants of the prince definitely makes sense, but my interpretation is that sky kids aren’t a direct reincarnation of him - we’re sort of successors to him in that he was like a proto skykid and the first of our kind

[edgy kernel]

well I wouldn't call it totally unfounded as the line can sometimes blur between memory and reality in sky. Vault is one huge almost museum of these big stones that hold memories, and can project them in a very physical way that you can interact with, if you go with that interpretation. One of the spirit's memories even causes one of the huge trees to grow after you complete it.

There's also the whole deal with the void which is very unclear to me atleast if its actually a memory, some kind of state of mind, or a physical place. If we lean into the void being more of a memory or state of mind ( you meditate or die to get in there ) Its quite interesting that many of the shattering memories have winged light inside them, and you could certainly take that and lead into the direction of winged light being maybe part memory, heh.

[edgy kernel]

Just gonna run with it for a moment but - Maybe you could interpret the shattering having shattered the prince and all their memories across the land, and you get winged light from locations as they were important enough to the prince for some reason to almost manifest as physical memories. Maybe each winged light is a fragment of their memories, and each sky kid is a fragment of the prince.

Maybe each sky kid is unique because they are each their own fragment of the prince's star, forming their body when they hit the ground, and trying to explore the world on their own in the time that they land to regain their memories. In a way exploring the game for the first time is sorta gaining memories

I'd say in future playthroughs/trips to Eden, while you give the winged light away to those in there you don't lose the memories themselves just the physical manifestation of them, which are probably massively bright with light being from the prince.

[hushed steeple]

I think you missunderstood my post😅
I wasnt talking about the question if WL are memories of the prince or not. I was refearing to the theory that "WE" as the player are the prince reincarnated
@bright sail was originally asking if that means all sky kids are reincarnations of the prince or if its us specificly the player
This later turned into a discusion about momories, but thats besides the point😅

[edgy kernel]

well you seemed to be referring to the whole post when you made point to return to it so excuse me if I didn't catch that!

The only connection I can think of immediately is that the prince is drawn in the exact shape we are on the mural, leading to some kind of relation, I'd think we're some kind of descendant in some way.

As for if all sky kids are a part of it or just the player, I'd have to believe all sky kids are due to how the ascent to orbit goes, with all the sky kids flying to it - most are unnamed but each of your friend's names are in orbit too.

Peronsally im more thinking that we're fragments of the prince after what i wrote there and i think that lines up with it

[hushed steeple]

Perhaps
Sky animation is a few months away
We shall see in the end😈

[edgy kernel]

Personally I'm of the mind that two embers wont be about the prince but an individual sky kid/ancestor and a light creature living in a time before the shattering, showing the world in a time before the shattering and its descent to that event, heh. But we shall see 👁️

[hushed steeple]

we shall endeed☺️

[edgy kernel]

Actually I've got a weird question, when did people start referring to the sky kid lookin fella in the murals as the prince and for what reason?

Dumb idea popped into my head but I wonder if they were ever actually someone or something that actually existed outside the prophecy mural as a symbol of connection between the realms that the ancestors instead misinterpreted as a vision of some kind of perfection, so they began working towards it and becoming less connected to eachother as a result of that maybe obsession with it.

Might put a darker angle to the ancestors leading sky kids toward Eden before the shattering, hoping that they'll be that prince.

[bright sail]

well the sky kids didn't exist as a species until after the shattering

[kindred summit]

I’ll try to give my observation why many people in community began to refer to “fella in murals” as the Prince, or the King…

The King/Prince aren’t overtly shown or mentioned much in the version of Sky we play. But scrapped concept materials show the King/Prince being the elder of Eden. And in many of those concepts they were intrinsically tied to each other. Their names would be paired with each other, they would appear with similar designs, and one of the scrapped storylines saw the Prince being trapped inside of the King, who was seemingly corrupt and part of the Eden/Storm segment.

The King had a very consistent design across concept arts, unlike the other elders. His exact mask shape from concept art is visible above the Shattering memory 6’s massive shattering crystal, the same one that’s at the heart of Eden. So it’s assumed that the King had a role in causing the Shattering and downfall of the Sky Kingdom.

The reason that we tie this same King character to the Prophecy murals and the mural in Eden’s second room is because of the imagery of the character’s ascent to and ruling of Eden. They are depicted as a holy figure ringed in light, above all Elders, with an additional crown of light. The crown of light mirrors the King’s original mask shape.

The final constellation in Vault Elder’s memory is one of the few overt references to a kingly figure being present in Eden that made it to the final game. But that concept of a king is visibly different from all other iterations. The Eden mural, Prophecy mural (and new aviary mural I believe) show the Crown of Light version of a King, which looks similar to the scrapped concept art.

thanks wiki for images and sorry for going on so long

[bright sail]

i also wanted to point out that, in concept art by tom zhao, it was stated that the prince and the king are the same person; the prince is eventually crowned king and turns corrupt from the exposure to darkness / dark stone i've seen a few people claiming that they're two different people, and who knows if they are or not in the final game, but that was the concept at least

additionally, it's also interesting in those pictures seeing the prince (especially in the prophecy mural) being encased in a ring of light exactly like what we see the winged light surrounded by

[hushed steeple]

That is very true. The prince and the king are deffinetly the same person (in all the old concept art), though its hard to say anything deffinetive about him in the current canon.
Out of all the major concepts in the games development, the prince/king is the thing that got perhaps one of the biggest overhauls, with most of the backstory of the character and the ending of the game bring scraped by the time the first beta release.
Since then TGS had been reworking the story and adding in hints in the actual game from time to time, but I think they were very deliberatly refraining from giving any clear answers about him since.....well......they probably didnt have clear answers about it for a lon time😅

We do know that that in the sky animation, one of the 'two embers" is gonna become the king, so the new canon version and history of that character is gonna be revealed then

[red isle]

My theory is that once light creatures die out, they corrupt and become evil dark creatures

[hushed steeple]

I wonder if at one point it's possible to turn Krills and Dark Stone Crabs back into light creatures again. Right now there's not much theory going on in that direction, however, getting rid of the darkness, won't "technically" give the darkness creatures a place to stay in anymore, except for maybe the ocean where the Leviathan exists, for the fact that the light doesn't reach that far. Anyway, we're gonna get a new sort of dark creature soon right? I think I saw a hermit crab

This little fella

I also speculate that diving is gonna take on a bigger role at some point, because clearly the dark creatures live down there

[hushed steeple]

Hard to say. In my personal opinion, its kinda questionable if there's anything of the original being contributed to the creation of the Krill (and possible crab to begine with) after all this time
For dark creatures like the krill and dark plants, light is nothing more then fuel for there unending hunger. Unlike light creatures where the light soul is the essence of the being, for dark creatures the dark body is the essence of the being.

So best case scenario is that you can somehow crack open the krill and release all the light and souls in them, while leaving the shell behind. Actually doing a reverse transformation might not be likely after all these centuries

[hushed steeple]

Fair, but they also had to come from somewhere so maybe, for entertaining thoughts, they were light creatures and something down there, not necessarily the Leviathan, turned them that way. The Leviathan lives down there in the deep waters and was noming on some light fish. They did not turn dark inside of it though. However, dark plants grew inside of the Leviathan. It's complicating things in my mind, giving my imagination a full run.

Then on the other hand, if the Leviathan is only down there, to our current knowledge, how did it obtain all these fish it ate? Meaning with the current knowledge, they share the waters. Hence I think, since down there, dark and light creatures appear, they might have turned somehow

[hushed steeple]

Oh you missunderstood. I agree with what you said here about the light of light creatures contributing to there creation.
I was mearly saying that after all this time, there might not be anything lift of that original essence, with the light soul being broken down into base light energy, if not conpleatly spent.😅
Like I said, for dark creatures the body is the actual being, eating light to full itself.

[hushed steeple]

Oh, I see what you meant. I sort of read too fast at times

[hushed steeple]

Yeah, I probably should have worded that better😅
The thing is, at the most fundamental level, the thing that makes up the soul of a light creature is the exact same thing as what makes up inanimate light energy.
So whatever the souls or souls the contributed to he creation of krill (and possibly crabs) might have been, they've probably been "digested" by now (for lack of a better turm😅 )

[hushed steeple]

Right now im imagineing it like desplving those alkaline tablets in water. If you take it out quick you will get a reduced but still solid pill. Leave it in too long and its all just part of the solution

[bright sail]

the dark creatures we see in the game are corrupted light spirits who were caught in the blast from the shattering's eruption and the subsequent storm of darkness to quote the concept art again, it said it "corrupted them beyond recognition and they now wander the land as lost malignant beings"

it could kind of be a zombie situation where they feed off of light because they used to be made of light and are still drawn to it / crave it? but it's very unclear if they could ever be turned back, and i'm not sure how we would do so since they're hostile and much bigger than sky kids

[hushed steeple]

That is very true☺️👍
Also the zombie angle is something I did not consider originally, but it does make since when you really think about it.
It would explain there very mechanical and repetative nature, since like zombie's there driven by pure instinct and an overpowering drive to roam and consume

[kindred summit]

@hushed steeple there is one sheet of concept art that does show corruption being burned away from a dark creature, "saving them" and revealing their light core.
but like many Sky features and ideas, this concept was scrapped before we received the Light Awaits version of the game.

the closest we get to this in in-game material is the Abyss questline, where the manta spirit is trapped inside the void of the King Krill.

[copper folio]

Hello um, I've got a question. Is there a geographical history to the realms? I mean, aside from Eye of Eden and Golden Wasteland, there has to be one in every realm, right?

[hushed steeple]

Oh yeah, I know that one
I was actually thinking about posting that and touching on it when I was makeing my original point, but decided not to in the end😅
This does demonstrate my original point of light being nothing more then fuel for dark creatues, and the souls of light creatures getting desolved into pure light energy given enough time

[edgy kernel]

ohhh, i had not seen that note in the interview, thats really quite interesting

[hushed steeple]

Interestingly enough, in the orginal version of the game, you didnt burn dark plants to get wax, but dark crystals, just like this peace of concept art.

[hushed steeple]

This was of course replaced by dark plants, but even then the fundamental principle of dark beings remained the same, with the plants absorbing light and even ensnearing light creatures and digesting there souls until its broken down into light pure light energy that feeds the plant

[hushed steeple]

geographic history?
As in general history for each of the realms? (just makeing shure I understand the question😅 )

[hushed steeple]

Let me bring up something entirely different, the story of Dwayne, Dwayne has yet to be found. He appears in the patch notes only so far and it always comes with a story. So for last season it said this in the patch notes:
"When the weather gets cold, there's nothing better than visiting Grandma's snow hut and sitting by the fire. Cozied up in their scarf, the traveling rock talked to Grandma about all the new things they'd seen and all the changes the children were bringing to the world. Their hearts were warmed by good company and hope for the new year." Anyone got a clue on this? I am trying to get some screenshots or videos on the snow hut where the grandma was in during the last season. Been there plenty of times but never knew about this rock- Dwayne.

https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/The_Rock#January_11,_2024 <- the link for anybody who wants to know more about what I am talking about

[tawdry copper]

The traveling rock thing is just a funny little patchnotes-easter egg the devs have done for every patch afaik, nothing lore related

[hushed steeple]

What if we just make it canon c;

[hushed steeple]

Oh wow, I never knew Mr Johnsone has quite a fascinating history🤣
But yeah, @tawdry copper is right about this

[hushed steeple]

It would be funny if its canon 🤣
I kinda imagine if we were (big "IF" there😅) canon, it might work as a kind of sky kid urban legend
Like, there are story's that say its real, but we dont know for shure, and the rock is kind of an enigma

[brisk pumice]

The rock is like a cryptid

[copper folio]

No, like... I mean what they look like in the past

[hushed steeple]

Ooooooh, I see.

Honestly its preaty late on my side, so I wont go too deep into speculation and analysis, but I will give you some short examples

[hushed steeple]

Isle of down and Waistland were green realms in the old days.
Isle was especially green and beautiful, with people living moatly nomadic and simple lifes
In the sky trailers we see tents and small huts

[copper folio]

How about the other realms?

[hushed steeple]

Waistland was also green ( though its hard to say exactly how much).
There is also a lot of sailer and merchant motives

[hushed steeple]

Forest didnt have the harmfull rain constantly falling everywhere, with people living in huts and tree houses
Dark places and crabs also seam to have been a thing in forest even back then

[hushed steeple]

Priery and Valley probably looked the most similar to how we see them today ( geography and nature wise)

[hushed steeple]

As for Voult......Im not entirely shure😅
From all we can tell, Voult is located inside the great mountain ( Waistland is the great plain and costline around the Mountain, while Edan in on the top region of the mountain.

Its possible that there were origibaly temples and academis along the moubtain itself before Voult proper was built, but thats just speculation on my part😅

[hushed steeple]

Have to go to bed right now
Hope this helped a bit☺️

[arctic spire]

who is eden elder?

[brittle coral]

I am pretty sure they got shattered along with the shard, though I am not the best with lore

[lucid bridge]

The King of the Sky Kingdom. He disappeared when the Eden crystal shattered.

[edgy kernel]

hopefully its not a bad time of day for ya but i found em again 👁️

seems they might be time of day dependent, this is out of bounds night aviary shop

all out of bounds but quite odd

[edgy kernel]

#news message

Well! That gives us an immensely clear view of our new eyeless krill friend. You know, i wonder if they made them a small fry so they could fit into the space, heh.

[lucid bridge]

Perhaps we will have to cleanse them for a future quest?

[edgy kernel]

I would love that more than anything
It seems atleast for now they're a part of an introduction to the area, but i'll have to wait just a few more days, heh

smaller and eyeless is very interesting to me, I can see it being smaller because the ravine is probably meant to be very thin and they needed to fit a krill in there, but for them to have no eye and yet still be able to spot you, thats weeeird

[versed mirage]

Are the crossover characters, like little prince and aurora, Cannon?

[pallid dust]

Sorry, but could you tell me where it is? I can't find such windows

[compact shale]

Depends who you ask, that's up to interpretation

My opinions :
Little Prince is ||not canon, or also fictional in-universe||
Aurora is ||canon||

[versed mirage]

Maybe it’s a mix of both

[pallid dust]

I think The Little Prince can be considered canonical in some sense.
That is, the location of the season does not exist, although the desert itself, going further into Eden (where we see krill), may well exist in the realities of Sky. And the events with the prince himself could have been not just a collaboration, but something that actually happened in the story of our adventure.
After all, nothing prevents the Little Prince from getting to Sky

[pallid dust]

I just started writing about this

[versed mirage]

Thing is they are connected to the vault, a place of memories and stories.

[light minnow]

I doubt TLP is just a memory or a story in sky because he actively interacts with you
It's a bit hard to play hide and seek against a story/memory

Also this would imply that the vault is capable of showing you images and stuff pretty much anywhere in the world
Sanctuary island, the forest caves, orbit, ect... would all be under the vault's influence is TLP were just a product of the vault

I don't know how it's worded exactly in the english text, but iirc the game tells you that starlight desert is a place where worlds meet

[bright sail]

it's definitely interesting to think about in the context of the sky world, because the only races we really see are ancestors, sky kids, and light creatures
so would TLP count as an ancestor? or is he something else entirely, being a traveler from outside the world of sky? and does that imply there are other places outside the sky kingdom?

[light minnow]

I guess orbit counts as outside the kingdom already in a way
For TLP specifically, because of the little description line about it being where world meet, i imagine it serves as a bridge between the sky kingdom and TLP's world

Which means other such bridges could maybe exist, somewhere out there

Also about other places than the kingdom of sky
I think it's interesting that one of the intros of the game's story (i believe it was the one from aviary) makes it sound like the elders purposefully came down from the stars to build a kingdom
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[bright sail]

i'm not sure tbh! after reading this screenshot about the animation that's coming out this year, it sounds like there was already some kind of civilization that existed before the prince founded the kingdom of eden

[hushed steeple]

I wonder if the new season gonna have a Wind Path or not

Just speculation if the Krill we saw in the trailer come from Golden Wasteland

Would be cool if the wind path zone is in that area

[bright sail]

tbh i think it being off wasteland would make sense because of the krill and the red sand

excited to find out

[willow falcon]

Does anybody know what’s that thing in the first act of golden wasteland?

[hushed steeple]

I think its another darkstone refinary/ crystal production temple ( kinda like the "broken temple" in waistland and the main Forest temple)
Concept art do inply that Waistland made multiple such temples, so this is probably one of them

[rugged stump]

Didn’t they decanonize like ALL of the concept art?

[distant turtle]

New season trailer reminds me of Wasteland in animation project vibe

[bright sail]

theres a ton of concept art that made it into the final game, either completely or partially
not all concept art made it in but a good portion did

[hushed steeple]

Yes and no.
The concept art story as presented is not canon, yet TGS constantly takes old ideas and reworks/recycles them into the curent game

[distant turtle]

I think not because of the new vault entrances

[rugged stump]

Mhm yup

[hushed steeple]

Little Prince area is connected to the wind path

[distant turtle]

I think a factory. I imagine inside are a lot of vats like a nightmare version of prairie temple

[hushed steeple]

Bisides, its really the shape of the facility, the pipes, the resemblence to the broken temple, forest temple...... that make me think this. The concept art is purely suplemental

[rugged stump]

The concept art has a better story than the game itself lmao

More enjoyable too

[distant turtle]

The concept art tells the story but the game has a story just not told to us

[hushed steeple]

Its often does😅
Though thats not really so much a case of them choosing to make a worse story.
Its more a case of " what you can imagine" vs "what you can realise"

[willow falcon]

I remember looking at the concept art and some of the ideas there go SO HARD and I’m sad they didn’t do it

[hushed steeple]

Yes, but actually programing and effectively realiseing all that is easyer said then done😅

This is still a mobile game after all, not a true console experiance like Journey😅😅😅

[willow falcon]

True…. Limitations are a thing

[distant turtle]

Cloud columns are cool in the background

[hushed steeple]

Example
Old concept art showed dozens of ark ships flighing around.
TGS could only do one in the end😅😅

[rugged stump]

No

[normal ermine]

Anyone know what this is?

[hushed steeple]

Dark crabs take over while the people and creatures of the light are fleeing? Maybe something to do with season of shattering? I haven’t been play this game long but I’ve been theorizing for even longer so bear with me

[light minnow]

To be fair, the season of shattering ties into how the darkness destroyed the kingdom, so a lot of things have to do with season of shattering in that sense
But yeah it would make sense for a crab invasion to occur because of the shattering

[bright sail]

the spirit names haven't been released yet, please don't discuss beta content outside the beta area

[slim mango]

i'm talking about original animation film, not a beta content ><

[bright sail]

oh i see, i assumed based on the naming scheme sorry

[slim mango]

it's fine :D

anyway did you watch that animation film yet?

[bright sail]

i did, i watched it last week on youtube ^^

[edgy kernel]

Out of bounds aviary shop! If you clip through the floor and get outside, you can see a weird empty aviary

[pallid dust]

Oh, I see. Need to try it sometime

[hushed steeple]

Deer season likely means there will never be another deer in sky.

You know that that means?

IM GONNA STEAL ALL THE CONCEPT DEER FOR MYSELF!

[soft timber]

Concept Deer looks good!

[lucid bridge]

If one deer exists, why not more?

[hushed steeple]

"We can't have our legend deer upstaged"

[lucid bridge]

The power… of IMAGINATION!

Me imagining that different calls are different dialects of the ancestor language

[obtuse tapir]

Just curious, where did you find this?

[dusk zephyr]

Oh that's the crab dance spirit cave in ark. the sequence seems to show the crabs already in the water, people come to take the water, and the water level decreases, and then the crabs suddenly become aggressive and chase everyone away, making them leave behind their water pots.

[jovial viper]

Hello lore chat! Before being destroyed, what was the purpose Eye of Eden?

[light minnow]

From what we see
The light pillar is normally the place of rebirth for light creatures, who go up along it and reach orbit
The giant murdercrystal built by the ancestors i imagine was intended to serve as a power source? Similarly to how the various darkstone crystals works around the world
And it's also where there seemingly was the king, but we have no idea what happened to him after the shattering

[jovial viper]

And what do we know about the King? Like, is he ever mentioned ingame?

[light minnow]

He appears on murals, and symbols that relate to him are around
And you can try to infer things based on concept art, but things are subject to have changed
That's pretty much it
The king is very, very unknown

[proud fern]

waht if we are the king

[kind quarry]

Other deer?

[hushed steeple]

Yes.

I know I remember one more where its actually in a forest with a skid looking at it, and im 100% sure its a 3d scene. But could not re-locate it in time.

Nvm its here

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[kind quarry]

wow, that sounds crazy

OHHHHHH SNOW????

[hushed steeple]

I thought it was cloud since the trees are cloud, but maybe.

[kind quarry]

It looks like a big cave of clouds and snow, Where will that place be according to Sky lore? The forest? Or the valley? or in the clouds?

[hushed steeple]

Forest. I think. If you look at the entrance to modern forest, you can see some tube.....cloud.....tree.....connecter things still there.

I think?

[kind quarry]

Ohh i see, that's look so magical, Also in one of those concepts it seems that they are bigger than krill, Can you imagine that they are spirits of light that can change their shape? but not its nature

[hushed steeple]

I made fanart. I think it was supposed to be like a thing that took you from one level to another as a big thematic set piece (like in Omno) but I.....made it a ghostly easter egg, maybe something you could see off in the distance if you are lucky, but would vanish if you got closer.

the pinata deer is my favorite

[kind quarry]

I love it, but do you know what I would like more? let it be some kind of forest god

an ancient forgotten god who only appears after waiting for him for a while in certain places

PS, I also liked the deer piñata

[slim mango]

https://discord.com/channels/575762611111592007/575768778789617674

Introduction of Nine colored deer spirits

[cold sparrow]

the subtle changes to the roles are interesting
no snakes in Sky

[edgy kernel]

was the "traitor" a snake, originally?

[kindred summit]

no, they were a human, but they were both a herb-collector and snake-keeper or snake-charmer

[edgy kernel]

ahh, ok

[civic merlin]

Hello lore chat

Quick question, is the Eden prince / king the same person? I wanna post art but don't want to refer to wrong one

[severe flare]

I think it’s highly implied to be the same person but we don’t know for sure

[hushed steeple]

I belive these are the cloud tree's your looking for

[hushed steeple]

This is deffinetly Forest, though theres no relevant lore reason why the tree's are all clouds.
This is from the oldest stages of development when there was still no established story and TGS were experimenting with concepts

Naturaly this idea, along with the original dear concepts were scraped before most othet concept art was even developed😅

[hushed steeple]

Of course the idea of the cloud forest was later recycled and turend into Wind Paths

This would explain why Season of Flight was introduced as a "forest season", even though the region isnt a part of the Forest realm or has any conection to it

[cold sparrow]

a snake oil vendor, to be exact
quite literally, with live snakes
just a terrible opportunist

[bright sail]

honestly i thought the metaphor was really clever— he was a snake oil vendor but was also a snake himself

[hushed steeple]

Wait, Im cureous. What are talking about here😅

[cold sparrow]

the characters from the original nine colored deer animation

[hushed steeple]

ooooh, ok
Was rather confused what all this "they were a human" and "no snakes in sky" was 😅
This makes way more sence

[cold sparrow]

yeah, judging from the introduction cards, the characters seem to be sanitized a little for Sky
they're not described as the most irredeemable worst, but as having just a bunch of unpleasant traits, and a few endearing ones

[bright sail]

honestly i like that, they make the characters more 3 dimensional that way
and helps us at least understand their perspective even if we dont agree with their actions and the mistakes they made

[hushed steeple]

Quite possibly.
I havent seen the sky version of this character, havent payed much atention this past month😅
The original character, he was deffinetly a kind of "snake oil vender", though theres nothing about him being a snake.
I diffenety see them town a lot of the over the top elements of the character.

(why arent the pictures loading😅 )
Can anybody see them?

[bright sail]

him being a snake is a metaphor
(nine colored deer animation spoilers) ||because in the og animation, he's the one who rats out the deer's location after the deer saved him and asked him not to||

[bright sail]

and no, pictures are broken on discord right now

[hushed steeple]

Aaaa, I see☺️
Sorry, kinda late to the conversation

[hushed steeple]

Shoot, really😞
I had a whole thing planed out
Just my luck

[hushed steeple]

O. Yeah that looks like the tube cloud things between valley n wasteland. Prolly where it was used too.

Im still gonna steal a piñata deer

[hushed steeple]

Another good example.
Like I said, TGS loves recycling old ideas they couldent realise originally
Season of flight is however the more compleat realisation of the cloud forest idea, which is probably why it was a forest season (for the reference)

[cold sparrow]

posting images should be possible again

[hushed steeple]

Thanks for the heads up☺️
So like I was traing to say before, original character was a kind of "snake oil" sailsman.

There probably gonna tone down a lot of there more over the top characteristics.

My guess is that there probably gonna focuse more on him as a herb sailsman or such thing, getting into truble, being saved by the dear, and then haveing his selfishness get the better of him when the reward for the dear is delceared🤔

[hushed steeple]

Well TGS isnt doing anything with it😏
Lets heist that piñata dear🤣

[bright sail]

unrelated to anything, does anyone know what this moving structure in the bg of hermit valley is?

[limber pike]

is it not a very silly cloud

[bright sail]

it looked like some kind of floating structure to me but it could very well just be bad rendering

[limber pike]

yeah i think that's just a funny cloud

anyway i wanted to come and ask what eden is

wasn't really into the sky lore at first, but i wanna write stuff and ive been a bit inspired by it. i went to eden recently and noticed it looks like there used to be buildings there. and also saw a shattered memory and there were elders with the Big Evil Diamond so im just like. lol? what the scallop is up with this place

also do sky kids have to free other sky kids there. if so then that's a funny situation. never ending cycle

[hushed steeple]

I thinks thats more then likely a badly rendered cloud effect.
Since the saason of shatering, this area has remained buged, with 2 edan's being visible insted just 1. Since the higher edan is the glitch, its not supriseing one might find some weard effects around it😅

[lucid bridge]

Skybox glitch 😔 looks cool tho

Why do you think the flight spirits have third-eye diamonds painted onto their masks while the abyss spirits have dark stone diamonds on their masks? What do you think the automated third eyes do?

Here you can see the third eyes are marked on with paint for the Flight spirits, but the third eyes of the Abyss spirits have dark stone.

Actually the flight image is really low quality. You can sort of see it if you squint but trust me

Ancestors don’t have third eyes without their masks and neither do we, but the icon for the maskless mask does. I feel like we should have it.

[light minnow]

I think the reason the icon has it is because that icon isn't of our maskless face (you can see the eyes don't match either)
What this icon shows is the absence of a mask, by representing an empty mask icon
So the icon has the features of a mask, but shows that said mask is missing by only being outlines

[lucid bridge]

I’m sure the third eye has meaning but I’m also sure that I’m looking to deeply into this

[light minnow]

That third "eye" is where the honks come from when you honk iirc

So that does make it seem important
That and it showing up as a feature on most masks

[marsh bridge]

something interesting i noticed about the ceasing commodore's hair

[cold sparrow]

it's a pattern that can be found in some places in prairie

forest temple too

it's a depiction of mantas and similar light creatures

[bright sail]

eden was both the "holy ground" where souls would migrate to be reborn to the megabird, and the kingdom where the prince/king created the castle in the sky that you see while being reborn

we dont know what exactly the eden crystal is/was, but we know it eventually shattered and created the never-ending storm that now surrounds eden

[limber pike]

so someone broke a fancy piece of jewelry and created hell. ruined it for everybody

i don't know what this megabird thing is but it sounds funny. i hope my skykid is a seagull

[bright sail]

it's where all life comes from and eventually returns to, it's essentially their god

[limber pike]

a big bird. im not gonna look at a picture of it i want to imagine it as a seagull

[bright sail]

if you watch the credits, it's the giant swirling constellation you see at the end

you can also see it from orbit by looking straight up

[dreamy saddle]

Thank you I am now imagining it as a seagull this is a blessed idea

[limber pike]

i have never sat through the credits 💀💀

[dreamy saddle]

Hear me out: that’s why we honk
(This is a joke. But also I’m just saying, Sky kids basically worship a bird and we honk to communicate…. )

I’m not saying it’s a goose but I’m not saying it’s not a goose……

[limber pike]

i was never into calling the calls honks. they're too graceful for such a term

a goose for a god is funny though. yeah ill add that to my sky databank in my brain

[marsh bridge]

o i didn't notice that

[light minnow]

Are sky kids even aware of the bird actually
We kinda don't know what sky kids are aware of

[agile nimbus]

I mean, they see the murals, so they must know at least a little bit, likely not all of it, but they know a bit

[light minnow]

I guess
But the murals aren't really enough to know about the bird's existence
Just the knowledge that light is the source of basically everything

[agile nimbus]

They also go into the eye of Eden, and do that whole thing, and end up flying into the giant glowy orb, so they do know about that

[light minnow]

I guess yeah they learn about rebirth from experience

Though we can't know if they have like
Any innate knowledge about light from the fact that they're light beings

[limber pike]

i like to think they know absolutely nothing except the basic instinct of "get light and give it to the trapped spirits"

much like actual players of the game y'know. some sky children light up all the information candles and learn as much as possible. while others just rush in, throw light at whatever they see and just do whatever

like babies with the capacity to understand, but whether they choose to or not is up to themselves

[agile nimbus]

That makes the most sense

[bright sail]

theyre also told by some disembodied voice to go where they need to go, which i personally imagine to be the megabird

[limber pike]

yeah that too. they're given directions at the very start of their lives so it makes sense they'd at least know to do that

i choose to believe some would have the directions go in one ear and out the other though. it'd be funny

[bright sail]

lmao as baby moths are inclined to do

[limber pike]

i wonder how big all the realms are. like if sky wasn't a video game and was scaled to be more like real life- how long would it take to travel through a realm

i just think it'd be interesting if it takes days to go from the start of the isle to the temple

what does a newly made sky child do, if left to their own devices for days on end?

[agile nimbus]

Likely panic

[limber pike]

why do you say that?

[agile nimbus]

Because babies, if left on their own for a bit, start crying, same with toddlers

[limber pike]

well sky children aren't actually babies, are they? you think they would have a survival instinct like that? interesting proposition

[bright sail]

they're children but they aren't babies no

[limber pike]

personally, i think if a moth were to wander the isle alone, they'd try and explore sand. dig holes, stick it in their mouths, silly stuff like that. like babies but less clumsy (do sky children have mouths?)

depending on if sky children hold the same instincts as a typical human, if they were not to i think they would walk endlessly. exploring rocks they come across until they get bored.
this is with the assumption that isle is a lot bigger in universe than in game lol

[light minnow]

I'd say young children but not like toddlers
They're able to walk and like
function on their own
But know very little of the world and stuff

[limber pike]

hence why i think they would eat sand

[light minnow]

I could see that

[limber pike]

i think they also would dig many holes

well, since i think sky children are created with nothing in their brains beyond basic instinct to collect and distribute light, i think they would be accidental troublemakers. like cats knocking stuff off a counter to see what happens

they dont mean to cause trouble, and aren't like naturally destructive or anything. they follow directions and requests when told. but when left on their own they will tear old books apart cuz they like the sound of paper ripping

[light minnow]

I mean
They also have the basic knowledge of using their body, of flying
And they do seem to naturally have a lot of empathy with how willing they are to help
I do love the idea of a random moff tearing a book just for pretty sounds though, that's adorable

[leaden field]

Aa this reminds me when my boyfriend first played the game. He refused to listen to the directions and wanted to explore and do whatever he liked. Sorry it's a little off topic. Just thought I'd share that

[limber pike]

i didn't mean to imply that they wouldn't understand how to fly. though, i do think most of them would crash instantly on their first attempt

[bright sail]

yeah they still have sentience and are capable of feeling emotions / empathy, they just aren't verbal and their emotions might be kinda basic or rudimentary until they get more experience out in the world

the whole concept of the game is going through the different stages of life and gaining maturity in the process

[soft timber]

It's like watching a moth vs a veteran.

A moth wouldn't really understand how to fly well enough to stop itself from hitting objects and stuff until around Valley (every moth is different but I see most being able to fly better mostly in Valley or late stage Forest at least)

A veteran are able to pull off tricks and stunts in the air like skilled birds, I have seen how they are often able to fly even through small gaps and turn with such precision, I sometimes question if they are a doctor

[languid kestrel]

^My sky kid will always have the flight skills of a moth lol

[exotic burrow]

I wonder what sky looks like during the game development, they look different than what we have now

[limber pike]

y'know. im choosing to believe that in universe hearts don't exist. candles can stay the primary currency but i think hearts represent a relationship with a spirit

unless some sky wiki somewhere completely refutes this idea

[lucid bridge]

I agree with you.

[sacred orbit]

hey guys, im really interested in sky lore but since im still quite a newbie here i wanna ask about some good yt video (some up to date?) about sky lore? thanks c:

[forest nexus]

ohh I second that!! I’m in the process of drafting a sky webtoon so I want to try and incorporate the lore and some theories ehe

[gusty kernel]

can anyone confirm the genders of the valley elders please i always thought they were both guys but recently I've heard one of them is a girl...

[real spruce]

none of the elders have confirmed genders so you can have your own interpretation

[gusty kernel]

oh? thank u omg

[brave patio]

https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Amity206/Sky_Lore_Theories

Have my Sky lore blog!!

[brave patio]

And the devs have confirmed that the elders are beings without a real concept of gender so I see it as they’re nonbinary, but some may choose to use other pronouns or not mind other pronouns being used for them (but they don’t have a biological gender, similar to skykids)

[gusty kernel]

yesyes thank you sm

[rugged stump]

i saw this image somewhere, is this what vault looks like from the outside?

[brave patio]

Where did you find it? I would imagine that’s the case

[rugged stump]

i don't remember really

[cold sparrow]

that's from a mural in isle temple

and yeah, that's supposed to represent vault
though I don't think vault really has an 'outside view', because it seems to be built inside the mountain

[bright sail]

i think it's built against the base of the mountain, since it only goes up to eden's entrance

[cold sparrow]

well, mountains exist on an incline
we enter the wasteland temple to get into the vault, then go up a straight elevator that brings us to an exit somewhere halfway up the mountain, and we don't cross a bridge as we exit
so it seems to not be just built against the base, but inside the base of the mountain

[bright sail]

why design the exterior then? /gq

[cold sparrow]

as I said, it doesn't really represent the exterior, but the shape of the structure inside the mountain

you can capture the shape of the cavity of an enclosed space as well, and the vault is certainly built and reinforced with some masonry, and not just set in raw cave stone
and at least part of the tip is extruding from the mountain

[cold sparrow]

which, actually, might explain why that image has windows in the top half, on an incline no less

[hushed steeple]

Well...not really
The murals in the Isle temple are ment to represent the main temples for each of the realms
With the realm of Voult being being mostly a great cavern inside the great mountain, the equivalent of a Voult Temple would likely be the top flore.

[hushed steeple]

While its a bit hard to visualise from inside voult, the top of the realm where you exit from to enter edan is actually visible from the gates of edan

This tower thats right next to the enterence to edan is the Voult temple and the thing we see in the mural from isle

[rugged stump]

but if you were to take vault OUT of the mountain it WOULD look like that, right?

[hushed steeple]

Exactly

[hushed steeple]

Although I will emphasise that the murals only show the temples, and by extention the top part of Voult realm
We dont entirely know how it looks in the bottom part, and what other tunnels, passages and cambers are left yet unexplored and secret

[bright sail]

thats true actually, when we go into starlight desert from vault we're nowhere near eden. not entirely sure how that geography works

[hushed steeple]

I will wait to see how "Nine coloured dear" season works to say for 100% curtain
For now, my main asumption is that Starlight desert is on the other side of the mountain from most of Waistland and all the regions we have explored

[hushed steeple]

The ream is conected by windpath and looks towards the sea ( or more likely the open ocean), so its almost like that region is found at the end of the continent, and almost feels like the end of the world (from the perspective of Isle, priery and the other realms at least)

[bright sail]

yeah going off the map here, vault isn't inside the mountain, but leads you up to the base of it
and starlight desert is way on the opposite side, away from the mountain

[hushed steeple]

Unfortunatly the map has some weard poportions and scale
Regions are shown with different sizes based on there inportance rather then actual size, and more problematicly horizontal and verical change is direction are sometimes shown as one thing
For the early realms it feels fore reliable, but it gets a bit weard we Waistland and especially Voult and Edan

[bright sail]

yeah i guess so
i think the general shape / layout is accurate at least