lore-discussion-spoilers

[hushed steeple]

Although on a side note, the kids that light the canon in my story end up drained of light and super dead😅

[nimble ingot]

one thing I will expect in a season like this.

Catapults and Canons!

They make for good transport, and is just fun to launch skykids from.

Now, what could an ult be for this hypothetical season?

[hushed steeple]

Ult?
Like ultimat reward?

[tough sky]

A cannon item that you can place and use to launch yourself out of

It might be too game breaking though

[nimble ingot]

swordfighter may have cool parry emotes too (imagine a spirit with two emotes)

am loving the medic already

[hushed steeple]

Did you just make all of this up on the spot

[sharp lichen]

No, I have many season ideas in storage

[nimble ingot]

How about a spear. Or a shield (heck why not both!)

You can take out the spear like a staff and pose with it. (I wish we could do this with the sword from Little Prince. Would help make the 200 candle price tag sting less).

the shield give a unique carry action for skykids, even if the rider does not have piggy back.
(look up Asterix and Obelix to see what I mean with the village chief riding on shields XD)

[hushed steeple]

Also, like the idea of an area between Waistland and Valley, since thats a vast and unexplored region that we fly by

Perhaps the canon shoots the mountain behind us when we plumit to the ground.

In game the enterence would look like the way towards elevated frorest, a crack in the rock, but WAAAAAY bigger

When you go through the other side, you enter a valley thats bellow the clouds you pass on your way towards home space in Waistland

[sharp lichen]

Here was my idea for the season quests: #general-sky-discussion message

[hushed steeple]

Nice

[hushed steeple]

Now It will be very hard to remove this place from my headcanon😭
Its too real to me now

[nimble ingot]

Me thinking up nicknames.

General Scorch

[hushed steeple]

Sargent Wildfire😅

[nimble ingot]

Colonel Sanders

[hushed steeple]

Private Redflower

[nimble ingot]

Staff Seargent Krill Killer

[hushed steeple]

Major Mantarey

[nimble ingot]

Marty Manta Wrangler?

[hushed steeple]

Collonel Crabsack🤣

[nimble ingot]

Crab snack
crab stack XD

[hushed steeple]

Like bag (Im bad at spelling😅)

Or maby Collonel Crabshock🤔 (frightening crabs)

Hmmmm....we still got Leutenet and Marshal to cover🤔
Any other ranks were missing?

[fathom tide]

Hiiiii

[hushed steeple]

Hallo☺️

[nimble ingot]

Captain Mantadom

[sharp lichen]

Another piece of evidence to add to the massive pile:

You hear a heartbeat when holding hands with the Hopeful Steward.

The only other time this happens is when you hold hands with another Skykid || (and when you’re dying in Eden)||

Hopeful Steward is a Skykid

[cobalt palm]

Don't you get a heartbeat with the "collect spirits" quests, performance / remembrance / moments?
I didn't think to check

[novel marten]

Ok so I was looking for wings in Isle of Dawn today and noticed something

I know that large icon in the middle of the relief looks a lot like the enterance to Eden, but now that we have a new portal…

[cobalt palm]

Also, if you took a photo in Aviary with the broken portals, that centre would be where Eden is

Though I always interpreted the 2 in the centre as more like the manta/bird statues in sanctuary than gates

Like
Gate, gate, statue, statue, obelisk, statue, statue, gate, gate

[plush cave]

Okay when I sent you the video in the other server, I didn’t realise we can hear it too when holding hands with performance spirits. SAD 😭

[sharp lichen]

Consider that evidence wasted

BUT STILL, THEYRE THE EXACT HEIGHT AS US

[obtuse tapir]

Curious question.
Does it also happen when holding hands with spirits in certain Season quests?

[obtuse tapir]

Oh!

[nimble ingot]

In the performance quest where you lead the spirits by the had, sadly there is no heart beat.
This may not be the case in the later seasons though, I recommend trying moments and when the quests drops in revival.

[sharp lichen]

I heard it

[nimble ingot]

There is?
Is it faint?
Did it take all 4, or just one?

[marble pasture]

small detail
why is the entrance to the eden/ eden constellation the shape of a bird or a manta?
why this specifically to represent winged light?
and why is the first "friends" constellation the shape of a crown?
and to add to the previous discussion, i really thought the heartbeat was just my impression, I'll check it out later in these situations(hopeful Stewart, sky kid hand holding and eden death)

[sharp lichen]

It’s easier to hear in headphones.

It makes sense because in terms of gameplay, skykids and spirits are the same, so holding hands with them would have the same effect.

But even still, it’s incredibly like hopeful steward is a Skykid

[sharp lichen]

If I remember correctly, the Vault Elder’s cutscene showed it being a crown

[nimble ingot]

damn, that is so quiet.
With the first listen through, I thought I must be deaf.
Ok, it is there.
I was wrong, and stand corrected.

Thanks Baud for sharing the video.

[obsidian condor]

what is megabird?

[cold sparrow]

The Light

[nimble ingot]

Megabird (also mentioned as the Bird of Light) is a celestial constellation, a supposed diety of the game (no confirmed canon as far I know)
I think this could be a god like being in Sky, a giver of light and life.

You see it in Orbit when you look up. There is also a mural of it in the water mural surrounding the portal to the Office, in Vault.

There is some concept art of this by Tom Zhao, though very little evidence of this character is mentioned, let alone shown in the game.

According to the concept art (note these are old, meant for Light Awaits, an older version of Sky), the megabird would have been seen in Orbit, taking the skykids up and supposedly bringing them back home

[hushed steeple]

I'm generally new to lore in sky but since sky kids can do spells that can grow and shrink them and have fire work wands, could they evolve these spells to do more theoretically

[desert bobcat]

for Lore Skykids(could i say archeologist Skykids) do you have any theories about who may have worn the capes and clothes on the revival season mannequins?

like, we have one mannequin with a cape which has a "bird?" pattern on it

[tribal otter]

Thats... hard.

The names of the mannequins all mean the same thing

But I like to imagine that they were gifts from the guides for the steward to wear

[desert bobcat]

really? all of them are about a "safe space?"

like, we have one about a forgotten haven i think, and another about a refuge(dont remember the first word, but was also like forgotten)

[tribal otter]

They all mean "Memory of the Aviary Village"

[desert bobcat]

oohh, now that i see it is true,

but could also mean where they are from, like a deserted oasis i think was the enchanting one if im not wrong

i can look it up ingame in a sec

ok, i was wrong, the oasis one is from rhythm

[tribal otter]

Ye but they really match up the Aviary
So each mannequin or set of cosmetics is a "memory," so they were meant for specific people or just one person. That's why I imagine they were for either the Steward's charges (hence the different hair styles) or themself
Hold on I wanna check something rq

[desert bobcat]

the lost village one is the only one which is not inspired by any season

they kinda did an error translating to spanish in the enchanting one, as i read "restos de un paraiso olvidado" which would translate to (not an expert in english) "remains of a forgotten paradise"

[tribal otter]

Oooo

[desert bobcat]

the gratitude mannequin is correctly translated

the new one too

and rhythm too

the only one that i kinda see errors translating it is on the enchanting one, although i used google to translate it and i may have missed some words

[sharp lichen]

Deserted Oasis is Sanctuary
Lost Village is Dreams
Abandoned Refuge is Gratitude
Forgotten Haven is Enchantment

[desert bobcat]

but we dont have sanc or dream inspired cosmetics(unless you count the kimono like pants)

[tribal otter]

Huh-

[nimble ingot]

isn't oasis enchantment? Because it is sometimes called an oasis in a desert.

[sharp lichen]

Forgotten Haven seems most likely to be Enchantment

[desert bobcat]

is also the one which has the enchantment inspired cape

[sharp lichen]

But first two are probably a mix

Deserted Oasis is a mix between Sanctuary hair and Rhythm cape
Lost Village is Abyss cape and Dreams pants

[nimble ingot]

a haven could be a safe place, or sometimes a safe place for ships, like a harnour.

[desert bobcat]

i didnt look at it like that before, it kinda make sense now, as the hair is pretty much like the shell collector

in spanish the "forgotten haven" is translated as "paraiso olvidado" which translates to "forgotten paradise" although idk if haven can be directly translated to "parasio/paradise"

[tribal otter]

I like the idea, but I wouldn't pay too much attention. While they do sometimes relate to other seasons, they form sort of a poem centered around Aviary Village.
At least, that's what I believe, nothing is confirmed

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, all of them more strongly relate to Aviary itself

[desert bobcat]

i dont think is the best channel to ask, but which is your favourite mannequin, mine is the deserted oasis one

[tribal otter]

Agreed
It's so expensive tho lol

[desert bobcat]

im trying to figure out if i can have the season through some giveaways, although i might not win any, 2 giveaways are taking place in the "nastymold" server and they announce winners tomorrow

[nimble ingot]

thought to toss these here for visual references.

Their colour schemes may help with seasons.

[sharp lichen]

I'm a big fan of all of them, but Forgotten Haven would probably be the best on me

btw, what is your pfp?

[desert bobcat]

i thought the lost village cape was inspired in the light awaits, although seeing the pattern is inspired on the bird murals it might be just that

@sharp lichen, it is from a picrew, would be my "persona", although i want to do some changes to it

[nimble ingot]

Vestige of a Desert Oasis - blue-purple with gold trim and white fluff
Memory of a Lost Village - royal blue with red and gold trim
Echo of an Abandoned Refuge - orange and gold with red detail
Remnant of a Forgotten Haven - Purple with gold trim

Darn, Haven got the cape I thought could be Enchantment related. (Ok, I may be barking up the wrong tree with that earlier comment.)

[desert bobcat]

which would be the name for the ult cape?

im about to call it firework cape

[sharp lichen]

it's incredibly funny how much the sky wiki despises names for cosmetics, but for me, I would say the ribbon cape

[desert bobcat]

what do you mean about "despise"?
like, some cosmetics have names(but they are iaps)

[nimble ingot]

no name in the shop, the guide sells them

[desert bobcat]

ik, but like a fannon name, like the owl and penguin hairs

[nimble ingot]

I'd say ribbon cape, that is what I call it .

[sharp lichen]

if you look at the sky wiki, no cosmetics have any sort of official name, and most don't have a description. It was probably due to the gat controversy

[desert bobcat]

gat? what happened? what does it mean?

[sharp lichen]

best to dm it to you, if you're okay with that

Kind of outside the barriers of this chat

[arctic sphinx]

but why aviary get called refuge?

[pastel brook]

I'm feeling hopeful that this place could be our home!

[desert bobcat]

no problem

[nimble ingot]

in season of dreams, players noticed a spirit with cosmetics that resembled real life clothing and instruments, more so than just a fantastical outfit.

The dancing performer's cape looked like a kimono and their instrument looked very similar to a pipa from Korean/Japanese culture.
There was a bit of controversy about this (that I am sure Baud would fill in with dms).

Unless a mod says otherwise, it is a bit of touchy subject in this server (just to avoid drama)

[sharp lichen]

I have a strong feeling we will see it in the Sky animation, but my best guess would be because it was somewhat protected because Eden was so far away

(And Raider, is worth nothing that the vast majority of cosmetics take cultural inspiration)

[nimble ingot]

I agree.
It was odd how that particular spirit got such a strong response.

I'd chalk it up to a vocal group stirring up enough drama to have TGC explain how inspiration and source references work in their game.

[arctic sphinx]

even it far away, darkness still invade that place, like owl salon become full of dark plant there.

[sharp lichen]

but compared to the devastation in most of the realms, aviary was in a relatively good position

[arctic sphinx]

it's between isle and prarie

[sharp lichen]

that was its original location, but if you look at the map shrines, you see a rainbow cloud (aviary) right below Isle

[arctic sphinx]

so when war happening, that village become refuge for everyone from isle and prarie, maybe. is anyone have theory why everyone is dead?

[sharp lichen]

possibly everywhere, given the Rhythm Guide's appearance

But we'll likely find out more in the Sky Animation

[dire agate]

Going back and looking over the spirits’ body types.

BASE SPIRITS:
10 Neutral
11 Fat
2 Strong
3 Dress
5 Big Collar
4 Priest
Hide’n’Seek Pioneer (Short with skirt, seems to be the only one)

[viral bay]

Daydreaming forester also has Hide n seek pioneer's body type!

[plain fern]

So we are old

[viral bay]

I would have to disagree.
If we're only talking about the names themselves, then:

• Oasis is defined in the dictionary as "a fertile spot in a desert, where water is found". That description fits perfectly to Forgotten Ark to me.
• Gratitude was introduced without any seasonal area. Abandoned Refuge would be therefore associated with another area, though unclear which.
• While both Forgotten Haven and Forgotten Ark got the term "forgotten" in it, I would say Forgotten Haven is more fitting to Treasure Reef. Haven is defined as "an inlet providing shelter for ships or boats; a harbor or small port", and as we know there used to be a mining site in Treasure reefs, giving place for ports to transport.
• Lost Village is most likely Village of Dreams, that i agree.

[tribal otter]

I like your idea of the ark and the lost village; however, Haven being Reef I have to respectfully argue against. Treasure Reef was used as a mining site, but also as a center of experimentation from which light cores were extracted and krills were accidentally born.
Haven seems more down Sanctuary's alley. I did a bit of lore digging there and I believe it was a place hidden from the reach of the power-stone cause. Basically a hiding place for creatures of Light, however under the guise of a simple attraction or retreat for spirits.
As for Refuge, which I agree with, I would go with Repository Refuge.

[broken shore]

Hi why do we hear a heartbeat when we are dying in eden

[tribal otter]

I talked about that a little while ago. There are two things that would need to be Canon to support my theory; one, Hopeful Steward is one of the Embers in the show. Second, winged light are traces of Resh.

The Aviary Village is referred to many times as a haven or safe place that fell. Their spot would actually be ideal. Surrounded by clouds, separated from the main realms. Basically in their own pocket void. There are no traces of winged light which means it's one of the only places Resh couldn't reach or hadn't reached.

Back to the Steward being the Ember. I came to this conclusion because of the similarities in their appearance, their apathy and descriptions matching up, as well as their connection to the light creatures. While Resh was chosen by the elders to be the bridge that united the kingdom, he ultimately failed that task in supporting Teth's gruesome tactics of extracting light cores from creatures to power the diamonds. However, instead of gaining favor with the elders, Steward, or the other ember, became the true bridge chosen by the people, using their humble spirit to build the village that provided more shelter and comfort than Resh's kingdom ever could. Practically the embodiment of the MB, which leads to my final reasoning for Steward.

The portal to the village has strange decor. However, it looks a LOT like the MB (picture of mb for reference, don't have a picture of the portal)

Usually, the portals have the faces of the Elders, or the protectors of each realm. And if the protector of the Village is Steward...

So what happened to the Village? It's not a refuge anymore. Its in the sights of Eden. There's corruption and ruin.

Well, that's the sad part. Resh's reach may be only able to extend so far, but it was able to reach the Aviary. Soldiers found the village. Spirits living in the village were unable to escape to the portals. It was a massacre. Steward, as a last resort, ran through the tower entrance, hoping to escape, but only made it so far. Corruption seeped in. The Village was ruined.

[viral bay]

While Sanctuary could've been a resort or a retreat place for Ancestors to come and relax, I don't think it was hidden at all, since we can see diamond golden shells and boats scattering around the area, especially geyser. A real hidden place would be Prairie Peaks.
Another argument for my reasoning on Forgotten Haven is that "haven" as a term both mean "a safe place" and "a port for boats", which could mean Treasure Reef used to be a "haven" "the safe place" for light creatures until Ancestors came, captured and extracted life out of them. The area then became "a forgotten safe place" for animals, forgotten by Ancestors.

I disagree with your idea for Abandoned Refuge. Just before there's the name Refuge in it doesn't mean they imply the same place. And if we considere the name of the season and its purpose, Season of Revival, the season's purpose is to specifically focus on old seasons, like Rhythm Gratitude or Sanctuary, not recent seasons. And i think Remembrance should be considered as a recent season.
Plus Repository of Refuge WAS inhabited during its time, by refugees of the war. It wasn't hinted to be abandoned by them in anyway.

[viral bay]

As a counterargument, the entrance of Prairie temple has a Megabird carving, but doesn't mean the megabird was the protector of Prairie realm.

[sharp lichen]

I’ve found 5 from my findings:

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

Although I probably forgot to factor in most of the Vault spirits

[sharp lichen]

Could be a form of adrenaline

[prime nymph]

Is the sanctuary bugged? Like idk the server is not merging anymore

[cold sparrow]

It is very bugged, and there are mentions of that in the bug reports and #known-issues channels.
Next time, please head to #questions-and-help with that sort of issue. This channel is for discussion the world building and story of Sky.

[tribal otter]

That's a good argument for Sanctuary. However, I didn't say the island itself was hidden, I said it's real purpose was hidden (though my wording might of spoke otherwise, sorry). As for repository, I was using the same reasoning as the village of dreams. It didn't seem to be abandoned during its time either.

As for saying the Season for Revival is focusing on old seasons, I have to disagree with that as well. It never said anything about that. Revival could mean a new home for skids. Maybe reviving the village.

Though you do prove a good point, I'm gonna stick with my idea.

[soft timber]

OwO

[dreamy wave]

Are the seasonal spirits in Vault of Knowledge supposed to represent 7 deadly sins?

I think there's greed, pride, gluttony

Not sure what the lamplighter meant to be

[native galleon]

No, but they are connected somewhat to the realms/elders: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[cold sparrow]

in a way, the TLP season spirits, much like the characters of the original Little Prince story, are supposed to represent and carricature some of mankind's most problematic traits (greed, vanity, selfless and unquestioning devotion to a pointless task)
they're not directly lifted from the deadly sins, but considering the original concept of these sins also revolves around some of mankind's most problematic traits, there is certainly some overlap there

[cold sparrow]

by the way, could you perhaps be so kind and remove that gif
it's kind of giving me a headache

[viral bay]

Fyi i think you can enable the "stop animation" for gifs or smthing in Settings > Accessibility

[tough sky]

For now the seasons represented in the Season of Revival are
Rhythm twice
Gratitude
Enchantment twice
And Abyss

Saying that Season of Abyss is old feels weird to me because I started playing the game seriously right before it
But it will be two years old in less than three months

[eternal frost]

I wanted to ask, could anybody kindly explain the two embers ? Amd also Resh ? I keep seing these mentioned but I have no idea what they are, I would really like to learn more
Thank you !

[tribal otter]

Oh ye

So Resh was a beta character presumed to be the elder or king of Eden. He's seen throughout the game as statues or murals like the statues in the battlefield in Wasteland
Resh was corrupted by the use of power diamonds created by the forest elders and his actions caused the spread of corruption and the fall, or shattering, of Sky

[eternal frost]

But he didn't make it to the live version ?

[tribal otter]

It's hard to say. We see no physical character confirmed to be Resh, however, there are pictures of beta resh as well as statues and murals

As for the two embers, they are two characters (one being Resh but going by the name of "the ember") in a show Sky announced a few weeks ago. One is a child hoping to unite Sky but becoming corrupted by their power. The other tries to help the first, though we don't know much about them.

[eternal frost]

Oh I see ! Thank you very much !

[tribal otter]

Np :3

[eternal frost]

Also, who/what is megabird ?

[tribal otter]

This is a good summary, bunny

[eternal frost]

Thank you ☺️

[cold sparrow]

I generally don't have issues with gifs, prefer to have them be able to be played, and have no epilepsy problems. This gif is just particularly exhausting to have in your FOV.

[sharp lichen]

Probably did, but not in a direct way. We still see traces in murals.

And the Two Embers will focus on the King as well as the Hopeful Steward

[tribal otter]

We don't have solid proof that the second ember is hopeful Steward but that's a popular theory (I also support that theory but I just wanted to clear it up)

[lapis plover]

I know TGC has made all their NPCs androgynous and use they/them pronouns. However there are a couple characters who are referred to with gendered terms. The ones I have so far are:
Skidmore (Referred to as he/him by Samantha/Ktjin)
Belonging Guide (Referred to as "grandma" by devs and fans)
Bereft Veteran's son (Referred to as their son in-game)
I think some of the other Office npcs use gendered pronouns, since many of them are staff personas, but I can't think of any offhand.
Anyway, I guess the point of this is that I find it very interesting when TGC uses gendered terms for otherwise agender characters. I wonder if there's significance in which specific characters are referred to in this way, or if I'm just looking too much into the wording of things

[sharp lichen]

Skidmore is probably not canon to the lore of Sky, as they only exist in office, which is not canon itself

"grandma" is a fanmade term sometimes used by TGC staff

Bereft Veteran's son is perhaps the only time it's questionable

[keen shore]

=^•w•^=

[native galleon]

the goat is back

So this shard memory has been showing up a lot since the day before the season, and I can’t help but wonder if it has something to do with the 2 wl figures, the series, and Hopeful Steward

I already noticed it the day before and wondered if it was a coincidence or not, but it’s been so many times now that I don’t think it is.

Or it’s a bug who knows

[sharp lichen]

all bugs are canon (they are not and I'm explicitly lying but still)

[gentle hollow]

Is the new season area going to be the new home? I feel like ive heard of it

[desert bobcat]

you can ask on beta channels, they know what is coming up(although its subject to changes)

[narrow crag]

Anyone has the post which good quality of this? I can’t read it in game

[tough sky]

The characters are not genderless, their genders are just left ambiguous so the players can decide for themselves

Source: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

Skidmore is an event only character who only appears in Office and the Cackling Crab

Grandma is a gendered term but technically, anyone can be called grandma regardless of their age or gender

And the Bereft Veteran's son is not really an important character so him having an official gender is not really breaking anything

[nimble ingot]

The TGC staff spirits and skykid characters that represent devs (like ash, jenova, ktjn etc.) may have their pronouns based on the person they represent.

For the spirits in the realms, the dev have stated they dont have pronouns.
Meaning if you were to hypothetically give them a form, the pronoun box would be left blank.
This is presumably left up to the player's interpretation.
As how the lore is open to interpretation.

This why you may see folks either go by genders they perceived the spirits as. And others default to they/them.

[nimble ingot]

There is also skater girl from dreams, if I am not mistaken.

[hushed steeple]

Its still up for debate when it comes to skykids, but yes, I do agree that the ancesters do seam to desplay gender
This is probably a lot more fluid then for us humans though🤔

[tough sky]

Oh yeah I didn’t include the skykids
Even though, they still can be gendered since they're representations of the players

[nimble ingot]

Unfortunately, the search for a version of that in high enough quality to read is still on going.

Thankfully, there is text from a user here that is similar to this (found it)

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[nimble ingot]

I'd say they are up to the player, like the spirits.

They arrive as a blank canvases, a neutral character. The player can wear cosmetics that conveys a certain look, or behave in a certain way as part of their character.
Children that young also are generally neutral in any case.

[hushed steeple]

Naturaly. Thats what I ment by it being more fluid.
As far as we can tell, ancester and sky kids dont have (you know what) organs, so gender is a purely spiritual mater.

Still, that doesnt mean that it doesnt develop over time, especially in the ancesters.

[nimble ingot]

I am not sure about physical organs in the ancestors.
I presume they have, but it would be TMI to go further in detail for this server.

[lavish wind]

I mean, I presume they had organs to function to live back when they were alive lmao. Spirits don't need organs. But when they were alive, yea.

[hushed steeple]

Those are not the organs I was refearing to😅
I didnt want to refear to them directly becouse this is a family friendly channel, and as @nimble ingot said, that might a bit TMI, but there the onces strongly conected with gender and.....multiplication😅

[lavish wind]

I am very aware.

[sharp lichen]

I suppose, but they would have no reason to know about gender at all. I am somewhat averse to the idea of Skykids being blank slates myself

[sharp lichen]

I don’t know how official that is, I think they’re only referred to as young skater

[sharp lichen]

If you were to look at the canon, the spirits are referred to as “they/them”.

While it could be used to convey that the gender is unknown/ambiguous, it could also mean they simply don’t have the same conceptions of gender like we do

[hushed steeple]

Where is Shatering on the list btw?

[sharp lichen]

Wrong channel

[hushed steeple]

oh, when did I get this spooky name😅

[frail knot]

We’ve all been tricked by the crabs

[tough sky]

It has been stated that they don't have any canon gender
Said in a way to imply that their gender is whatever you want

I hc Light Whisperer as a woman for example and I am not wrong since she doesn't have a canon gender

The they/them used to refer to the spirits is really to not put a gender on them at all, someone might want all of them to be genderless or gender neutral but someone else might give all of them a gender

They don't have canon genders but they're not canonically genderless either

[narrow crag]

But how do spirits eat if no organs? How skykids eat if no organs?

[cold sparrow]

Well, first of all, we don't know if they truly have no kind of organ inside
But also, it might be that any matter is just broken down into its basic energy components and fully absorbed in whatever internal cavity or pool of light they have inside

[cold sparrow]

#report-a-live-bug #quick-dev-updates
next time, please ask in #questions-and-help , this channel is for discussion the game's story

[karmic musk]

I'm sorry

[nimble ingot]

Did we all get crabbed?

Eep! we did!

welp, may as well trade in for an upgrade this spookfest.

[obtuse tapir]

You all got crabbed?

[dreamy saddle]

Does the cackling crab have lore to it? Is it an existing place in sky, maybe now used for something else? Ive noticed spears in it, same sort in wasteland

[native galleon]

doubt it, it’s connected to the office which is not canon, also the spirits are all dev avatars

[dreamy saddle]

See here. Also graves and gate made from firework staffs

[sharp lichen]

Office is chaos, best ignore it

[dreamy saddle]

Fair enough, just fun to speculate tho. In my mind it would be cool as some old hidden refuge for warriors in the wasteland, before they got overrun by krill haha. Def my own headcanon tho, I realize it’s just the spooky Halloween area lol

[sharp lichen]

That’s my frustration with days of mischief; every other “days of” events has at least some lore thing going on, but we really can’t do much with this

[nimble ingot]

We get to see bats and ravens in the event space.
(not to mention cats too)

Even though these may just be part of the theme (what halloween type event wouldn't have these animals), I'd still entertain the idea as a possible thing in the Sky universe.

I hope that some day, there could be a season associated with the season.
Perhaps a part of the event that goes beyond the office space.

Namely a trapped space for skykids to encounter some scares.
I can see tumbling troublemaker would be in on it.
As for any seasons though, I would say not a lot of season would truly fit in the spooky scene.
Seeing that most of them usually have a possitive and wholesome vibe to them.

Therefore, perhaps a season dedicated to that vibe might be considered in the future.
Otherwise, the most relevant seasons could be passage and assembly for having mostly children spirits that may get up to some mischief. Or one of the few dark seasons that is Shattering.

[sharp lichen]

One of my favorite ideas is to replace prominent Days Of events with full-on seasons

I could see it happening with Fortune, Bloom, Sunlight, Mischief, and Feast

[nimble ingot]

I love that idea.

Don't forget enchantment and lightseekers for days of bloom

[tough sky]

Most of the lore is contained within the area

There is some

But it's irrelevant outside of it

[lyric imp]

How has lorechat been?

[nimble ingot]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sharp lichen]

Bien

[outer jolt]

Something centered around the wasteland could be pretty scary, and ngl, I was scared during the last 2 quests in abyss

[visual wing]

Not sure if it's been said before and if so, not sure if it's an intentional detail or just how the game is but have you guys noticed the capes and hair don't have shadows?
Fire doesn't have a shadow, and considering our "light" takes form as fire (candles) that could imply the capes and hair are also light (I understand why the capes would be actual light, but the hair-)
Also if I'm not mistaken items also don't have shadows or some of them do, I'm not sure

[nimble ingot]

It could be a limitation of the game.
Yes, it can render shadows, but they are either the classic disc shadows, or a simplified geometric shadow.
The skykid's shadow may be humanoid shaped, although one can see it is made of simple shaped.

Luke you said, It would be cool see more accurate renders of these shadows that include the hair, cape and other accessories.

[hushed steeple]

Thats true, though thats probably for a future update.
They only recently managed to render moveing grass after all😅

Now if they could only do leafs finaly 🤔
(Any day now TGS😑)

[tough sky]

It could
But I like to imagine that they are made of light in a way
Sometimes hair are so bright it's hard to see correctly
And capes charge with light

[nimble ingot]

This is partly why I look to concept art, lol.
This shows what TGC would like in the game.

The game has come a long way throughout the updates.
Not to mention the breath taking details in the animation project.

[viral bay]

I LOVE when they recycle assets like that

The little cocktail umbrella from Days of sunlight was also a recycled asset from laidback pioneer

[icy wing]

I mean wouldn't it make sense if the hair was light? It's white and can be easily swapped and customized, which is harder to do with real hair

Unless that's just a game mechanic not meant to be interpreted for lore

The capes one makes a lot of sense, charges with light, upgrades with winged light, uses light to fly around, etc.

[tough sky]

It would

Hair being easy to change is because it's a game and it's like that in most games
But it can be used as an argument

[hushed steeple]

So its like Steven Universe🤨?
Out cape and hair and possibly body are all hard light constructs.

Thats sounds a bit😂... 🤔...

[tough sky]

Kinda?
I had a big Steven Universe hyperfixation a few years ago but I never actually watched it so I have forgotten most of it

But I don’t really mean it the same way
Hard is not really the best word to use here, solid would be better (a thread is solid but it's not necessarily hard or rigid)

[sharp lichen]

Children (constructs) of the light…

[hushed steeple]

"Hard light construction" I think was the term they used in the show☺️. Thats why I used it
Ps. Will coment more on the post later😅

[arctic sphinx]

Found rhythm necklace in owl salon.

[tough sky]

Oh ok

(I'm talking more about the comparison, not the explanation)
That's not really the same thing
They don't have a real core and a body coming from it
They have a very real body that holds light (or maybe a fragment of the Light)
And they can have hair made of light
The capes are different because I don't think they're part of their bodies but I still think they're made of light, part of it at least

[tough sky]

That's not the Rhythm pendant but the one from Winter 2018
The very first season in Light Awaits
Rhythm was basically a remake of that season

[arctic sphinx]

What it's looks before?

[hushed steeple]

I know
Thats why I said "Ps will continue conversation soon😅"
Too busy now, will continue later

[tough sky]

Yeah I know

I just wanted to finish saying this before I forgot

[viral bay]

Omg that's so CUTE

[lyric imp]

Tbh i though it was an established piece of lore that they're made out of light, considering that having a cape requires at least 1 wl and it disappears when you're extinguished

[visual wing]

That's why I said the cape was probably light, you need to collect winged light to have one

[tough sky]

I feel like the very first winged light is just you
Like when you start the game, you hold one winged light it just never shows
Then you collect one, that makes the cape appear

The very first winged light is the core that skykids have that becomes their candle
And the following ones show up as notches on the cape

Your own winged light is also the first one you loose (not give out, loose) just since it's a part of you, you can just get it back if there is some light close

[nimble ingot]

Would folks agree there could be bats in Sky?

The event space uses tiny black birds that make bat sounds. Although, I would still count them seeing they did try for a tiny flying creature that flutters about.

Also, I think this teeny tiny crab is the smallest one in the game 😍

I will call it Lucas, after the cute spider as a headcanon.

[hushed steeple]

I think it is possible. I would first imagine them as creatures of Darkness. Not light because bat's come out at night. Also, there are species of light and darkness we haven't discovered yet. Meaning they can create more fauna in Sky. Just as long they add a huge cave system for the bat's to live.

[nimble ingot]

Take note of this one's eyes though.
A golden eyed crab that does not attack (despite its tiny size, it does not have a single bad bone in its body), it is likely one of the few neutral crabs we have.

I want to know if the enchantment guide found the little fella while cleaning up, and I hope they decide to keep them

I just imagine them working in the shop, and little fella just hangs out in their turban.

[obtuse tapir]

THERE'S A TINY CRAB?!

[nimble ingot]

Yes!!

They are very small, be sure to tip toe around the front desk.
I found them at the cupboard one day, and today they were at the desk.

[tribal otter]

Ye I noticed that one ^^

[tribal otter]

That brings me back to some thoughts I got in the Wasteland a while back. I noticed that the crabs that were on the fire didn't have corruption attached to their skin- possibly melted away by the fire? It would make sense that corruption is irritating neutral creatures such as crabs, making them hostile. In the red shard events when you defeat the corruption the crabs, if there are any, dig into the surface. Could it be that the crabs near red shards were just neutral, living under the ground, but the sudden landing of the corruption irritated them by latching into their shells?

[nimble ingot]

Possibly.
I think the darkness was corrupting them (not the natural darkness, the corrupted red dark stone)

[sharp lichen]

Tbh I could see bats as light creatures

[nimble ingot]

I had a D&D game with a player with the ability to transform into a were bat.
We went over a few ideas, one of them was a light and a dark version.

I can see the bats can be either side.

Dark bats could be a scary airborne hazard.
I imagine them being like the opposite of butterflies.
but that is just a thought.

[polar violet]

I'm just curious at this point, and I've seen some names around here but... the turtle of the Sanctuary Islands has an "official" name? or.. a name given by the community at least? Checked the wiki and .. it's just "turtle".

[nimble ingot]

Sadly, not all creatures' canon/official names were made clear by TGC, or the game.
Most creatures names came verbatim from what devs mentioned (namely manta or dark dragon), others are fan names that sometimes stick as another name for the creatures (dark dragon = krill).

The days of nature sea turtle may simply be called turtle based on its appearance and role in the event. It is unlikely for it to have a different name (unless the devs would want to clarify it as a Light Turtle).

Fun fact about the turtle:
There are baby turtles that could have been in game. Although, as far as I know, it is only the Netease version of the game that supposedly have them.
How we know this is in their trailer for the event, we see baby turtles swimming in the water.

I hope a player who has access to the Chinese version of the game could confirm this. As we can confirm that there are sadly no baby turtles in the waters of the live game. Just an accessory that sits on skykid's heads.

[charred grove]

Wait... Resh was a beta character?
I have beta but I haven't seen Resh character, but only the king statues, and I also have a record of The metallic glitch in sky and felt a bit of "Frozen II" cuz they all glow aestheticaly light blue or some sort

[tough sky]

Beta in the sense never came to the live game
Even the current beta

[charred grove]

I know there are things in beta that got removed, since it is too... much? Like the eden crown and others.
I'm curious about the reason that some items that were in beta just got deleted like the eden crown. And there were also multiple items/Cosmetics that got deleted anyway? I know I doesn't have any relations to lore but I wanna now

[mortal sparrow]

Does everyone else have a feeling that the Rhythm group was originally from the Valley of Triumph?

Because they all have the same bird motif as the Dreams village

[tough sky]

I think they used beta but I'm not sure it ever even left the concept art level

[tough sky]

Since the Performance Theater is in the Village of Dreams and Rhythm Guide is Performance Guide's twin, probably

[hidden vessel]

Is the max here giant+grow spell or is it the max permanent resize? If it’s perm resize I’d like to know how tall they are with giant and grow

[native galleon]

Max height generally refers to max permanent resize

[sharp lichen]

The name “Resh” was never used in the live game, but there is still plenty of evidence of their existence

[nimble ingot]

Even though the season at the time did not take place in a dedicated season area, nor belonged to a particular realm with their spirits scattered across the realms (except for eden, naturally).

They are a winterly themed season that had their last cutscene take place in Valley's coliseum.
This may suggest they could be based in Valley of Triumph, which is further supported with the guide from season of Performance being their twin.

It would be odd to see them be based in any other realm.

Hold the phone.

I must premise this with saying this theory is hinged on the fact that we have portals in aviary. And that Aviary was once the home space for skykids in Light Awaits.
Any future update that further support this would be amazing, though I would be careful not to accidently spoil things at this time in the season.

Imagine Aviary can change with the season just like in Home.
Namely, if it snows in Home, Aviary can have snow too. If Spring hits, Lightseekers hit Aviary with wisteria- and blossom trees a plenty. And so on.
The idea is, even though I cannot confirm (nor deny) that Aviary could be a new home space, the possibility still remains with the portals being there, and the history of Aviary. It would be cool if the space would also change times in the day, but perhaps that would be a bit much (?)

Just for the sake of spoiler proofing, folks should be cautious about what they share about Aviary's OOB spaces.

I should know, a naughty chibi told me so.
It would be like being that one kid who peeked at the presents hidden in the closet weeks before Christmas day.

So, assuming folks here would rather want to experience these surprises when the season officially reveals them to us. It may be best to keep OOBs of Aviary off limits until the season officially shows them.
That or spoiler them.
I am not one to make up rules on what lore chat can and cannot do.
Just someone who likes to speculate about the lore.

[sharp lichen]

Just wait and find out (WAFO or 🧇)

This is not the first or last time beta has to keep the forbidden lore to itself

[nimble ingot]

There will come a day where the devs would be fed up of our skykid's meddling.

And I am looking forward to what new counter measure they may have.

I wouldn't even be mad if they would be willing to drop a super krill as a guard dog for a new area. Who would relentlessly chase after players that dare enter restricted spaces.

[cobalt palm]

The day the windwalls encroach on everything and all becomes storm

I have suggested an "extreme explorer" mode, with no reset walls and no windwalls

[sharp lichen]

There are ways they can still be broken.

Let me dm it to you;

[cobalt palm]

With table spells and friends for windwalls, don't think reset walls can anymore afaik

[sharp lichen]

I agree it would be incredibly cool, though, but it would confuse moths a lot

[nimble ingot]

About the wind walls, I don't know if it is just me.
But I wish they check where exactly the put those darn things.

Because there were times I wanted to go someplace, and taking the direct path is not allowed. I had to go around literally nothing but thin air because there is a wall.
Like, bro. I want to go to the boat, I am allowed to go there. A random wind wall be like, "NO! YOU HAVE TO GO AROUND!"
Cue my confused but walking around nothing, just because when someone designed the space in a certain way.

Yes, the wind walls are there to tell us, 'no, dont go this way.' But if there is an objective we can get to, or something we might want to check out while exploring. There are some windwalls that either block off those areas entirely (which is fair if that is OOB), but it can be annoying when you have to feel out where the wind wall is to go around it.

Two windwalls I can list off the top of my head.
The one in Starlight desert, sitting on the cloud barrier between the vase and the warp spot to the windy well desert space. Making flying path from the vase towards that spot not a straight line but you going wide to get around it.

Also starlight desert, but in the well area towards the memorial. Again, why make skykids funnel away from the memorial, then when you reach a certain point, you suddenly can make your way to it.

(I should perhaps have a petition, wishlist, feedback post asking devs to considered revising wind walls. Making them more efficient and stream lined for player exploration.)

[nimble ingot]

lol imagine that.
No barriers, but now you risk getting sniped by darkness or something more dangerous.

Almost like the barriers were protecting skykids from these dangers. XD

[cobalt palm]

OMG like a light sucking void, similar to forests rain, or the abyss

[sharp lichen]

If windwalls were to be canon, I think the phrase “we took the light from the wind” implies that the more developed a region is, the less windy it is, which is why the edge of each area have massive wind speeds

[nimble ingot]

or, the fire trials lol.

[robust raptor]

This is my first time chatting in here so I'm sorry if this is an overdone topic:

But wow I went to Eden last night and for the first time I really looked around at the structures and buildings... It's so interesting looking at them! Does anyone have any cool details about the structures in Eden, anything they can tell us about the lore?

[sharp lichen]

There’s a surprising amount of military equipment, like shields

[robust raptor]

Interesting... I'll need to keep an eye out for that next time. It seems that most of their battles occured in Golden Wasteland... But maybe it's possible some of it escalated to Eden ? Or maybe the military increased in Eden as things escalated.

[charred willow]

I have a bunch of ideas about sky kid lore so these might be a bit unrelated and disparate (a little bit of yapping)

I wonder how the spirit memories are actually formed in a lore sense, their positions seem pretty casual and near to the place where they lived. I think back when the fall of the sky - civilization thing happened things for each location was alot worse for everyone. Each area basically looked a bit like eden/ wasteland for a decent amount of time. These sky guys being completely unprepared for such a disaster likely went out unexpectedly and suddenly

I find the relationship between sky kids and light incredibly interesting. Like inside of every sky kid is their inner flame, this is essentially their own light that they produce. Then when that's washed out it's winged lights which is (assumedly) not originally ther own. I find it curious how the sky people are explicitly made out of stone and "Animated" by their inner light, it makes the connection with this inner light strange as sky kids only seemingly die without any winged lights, meaning that the inner flame is less of an important factor than I originally thought, more of a placeholder for any sort of light to bring them back.

Unless someone corrects me I find it interesting some spirits have masks, some spirits have hair, and some have capes, but sky kids are the only ones who have all three. This makes me think sky kids aren't exactly the same thing as what the spirits were, they're so similar to the point that the differences are irrelevant, but the point still stands that they aren't the same types of beings in that sense

I think I'm done now

[tough sky]

Masks are interesting
The only spirits to have masks in the very base game are those who give them out
But in the seasons, masks are way more common
There is no mask in Season of Flight, but they all wear the default one

[charred willow]

The fact that in the og game they're so limited makes me wonder what exact purpose they serve or used to serve
Besides the aesthetic of course

[tough sky]

Yeah same

I'm looking through the seasonal spirits and there are quite a few who have all three even if they don't give all three
Two Lightseekers
Five out of six Belonging spirits
Thoughtful Director
4 out of 6 Enchantment spirits
Two Assembly spirits
Three out of four Prophecy spirits
3/4 Dream spirits
Scolding Student
2/4 Flight spirits
Every Abyss spirit
2/4 Performance spirits
3/4 Aurora spirits
2/4 Remembrance
2/4 Passage

For Spirits I think that's all of them (I didn’t count guides)

That's 36 to have everything out of 121 Spirits (again, without guides)
Around 29%

And around 41% of seasonal spirits

There have been discussions about Hopeful Steward being a skykid without their light
And I thought maybe something similar happened with the other guides but nothing seems to be able to prove it
They're too many and too different in the group to be able to prove that
And Sanctuary Guide is an Ancestor that's for certain

[unreal dragon]

So what does the new season tell us about the lore? I saw an old and forgotten old home area. Does that mean it was a failed attempt? Or just abandoned for something new?
(If something is revealed in the quests I haven’t done any)

[gray ocean]

idk anything about the lore but i thought it was really interesting (and terrifying??) how the spirits in the new realm are so surprised to be like, alive again
like it's been forever since anyone's relived their memories
but are they still conscious during all that time? i can't tell if their reactions are like "woah where am i" or "oh my god i'm here again"

[tough sky]

They didn’t ascend
At least we didn’t see them ascend
So I think they were alive before we saw them in the Aviary Village

They're Season Guides and those are weird
I think it's more "I'm here again" or at least "I'm able to move again"

[robust raptor]

I realized that too! It kind of took me aback to see the spirits coming back to life in a way.
Personally I don't think they are 'awake...' i think they kind of remain in some kind of limbo. Not death but they haven't ascended yet either and they don't have the power of their memories to help them escape the rocky stuff around em

[whole ice]

What exactly is winged light?
Ive never really stumbled upon this question but now that i have collected alot, i really want to know. Are they fallen spirits? Or just leftover light? Maybe they are the light angels in the reborn cutsene after you pass away in eden

[sharp lichen]

I think they’re kind of like ghosts

[ancient solar]

Honestly always thought that wl look like sky children but without a body yk what I mean? I have thought that maybe without body we can't or unable to move?? That a weird way to say to say it but it just feel that way

[native galleon]

not alive, but more sentient i guess

[ancient solar]

Sometime I try to live a good life than I remember this scene and remember that all the spirit is dead people

[robust raptor]

This absolutely destroyed me when I first did those quests I wasn't prepared haha

[ancient solar]

SAME THE WAY I GO 😟
LIKE THERE WAS NO WARNING I START SOBBING

[robust raptor]

I really don't know. What's odd about them is that they both appear in the Realms and also the Shattered memories, and they appear in different poses (like the one/s in the Elder shattered memory). So?? I wonder if they are also in some way a memory of some kind. Or just a collective one.

[robust raptor]

I really enjoyed those quests because of how sad and effective they were, but I really did struggle in those moments like the ones you sent 😭 Made me realise I understood a lot less about the spirits than I initially thought

[native galleon]

The part when teabrewer plays with pleading child as well 🥺

I need to rewatch the remembrance cutscenes it’s been a while

[charred willow]

I think they're the inner flame of fallen sky kids

[icy wing]

I like this idea. It articulates what I was thinking of

The Winged Light are other Sky kids that didn't make it but their light remains to power you

Unsure if they're different from the light angels at the Eden cutscene

I mean as Sky kids we already have the power to charge others simply by being close to them

Then when we pull out our candle, aka a bit of our inner flame, we share that with someone else's flame so we can see them

[ancient solar]

YEAH
And the winged light at the end too
The one that we hug, I think that definitely support your theory

[icy wing]

I was just about to mention that!

At the end, we're this dark form. I think we're the shell, the body that moves and allows us to give light to others

Then we reunite with our flame, that source of light we give. That winged light we hug at the end is the reason we can pull out candles

That'd explain the Winged Light we find in Eden

Never have I seen them sit except there

Maybe there they lost their form/shell/body in a more painful manner

Though I believe that the light angels we see from the statues are more like souls?

[native galleon]

one other notable exception is the 2 wl hugging in the shattering memory

[icy wing]

Haven't seen that one yet, could you send a picture?

[ancient solar]

I really love looking deeper in sky children lore it feel like we don't know everything about them yet
UUEUUE I'M SO EXCITED FOR THE SKY MOVIE
THE LORE DISCUSSION CHANNEL BETTER BE FLODED WITH EVERYTHING

[native galleon]

the one time it isn’t the elders memory /j

[charred willow]

Does anyone have a completed sky atlas I can look at?

[icy wing]

We definitely don't, can't wait for the series as well!

[ancient solar]

I wanna talk about Aurora concert too because I seen a lot of hint of the lore
Wait are they consider canon? All the memory we see during the song?

RIGHT I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTION
Like who create us? The sky children? What are we exactly are? I seen a lot of people debate on this honestly
The origin of sky children are really mystery

How many time have we die exactly? Who the first person to have been in eden??
Are the soul in eden other sky children??

I don't catch up with the lore a lot but now I want to so badly so if anyone wanna ramble please do I LOVE HEARING PEOPLE RAMBLE.

[native galleon]

yes the concert memories are canon and they’re super interesting

[ancient solar]

RIGHT
EACH OF THEM TELL A REALLY DEEP STORY AND IT BRINGS ME SO MANY QUESTIONS
ONE THAT CATCH MY ATTENTION THE MOST ARE WHEN IT SHOW PEOPLE HUNTING FOR LIGHT CREATURES

[native galleon]

on top of the diamond in the elders memory, the wl is 2 kids hugging (2 embers? 👀)
had to yoink this from a video, credit to JoeGoldfish Gaming

[native galleon]

if you have questions, shoot

[arctic sphinx]

I'm still trying to understand those memories tbh

[ancient solar]

I seen a lot of people say this but I wanna hear an actual thought about it

When the song/Aurora say
" I want to see the world from the eye of a children" (probably got the lyrics wrong I'm sorry 😭)

Do that have refrence on the sky children? I don't know what I'm saying hopefully this make sense

[ancient solar]

SAME
I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE SPIRIT
LIKE THEIR LIFE BEFORE THE DISASTER HAPPEN

[arctic sphinx]

As i understand this, we are children in sky and witness what kids see again. So we like go back to childhood without realizing...

[native galleon]

The song was written and released well before sky came out, but I think in context it’s safe to say yes, it refers to the skykids. The message being that there is so much pain in the world (the old world, in this case, but also the real world) that she would rather see it with a childlike innocence again

it’s important to note that all the songs existed prior to the season, if not prior to Sky, so their lyrics might not always be applicable to the lore in the most literal sense. But they’ve been applied and adapted to the story

[arctic sphinx]

At least we see what is going on in the concert. Like Isle people move, mining, manta capturing and war.

[arctic sphinx]

Please two embers show us what we need

[native galleon]

Yes and those things are all connected. They’re all showing the rise and fall of the civilization through the spirit memories, then through the light creatures’ perspective in the concert

[ancient solar]

Yeah the song slash memory really show a lot of thing we need to learn about the lore
I need to see more of the old world story and thing that have happen

[arctic sphinx]

Who in the world is Wasteland Elder fight in the war? I know the enemy is the diamond shield army, but who told them?

[native galleon]

this is my roman empire, just a sec

The war in Wasteland seems to be a direct result of the exploitation of nature seen in the Forest and Valley memories of the concert. In the Forest, they used to mine a material known as darkstone (although this name isn’t used in-game, they don’t really call it anything.) Darkstone works by absorbing light and can be used to power machines that can do almost anything, from opening doors and making boats fly to holding entire buildings aloft in the air. Ever see a bluish diamond in game, that’s darkstone.

Except there’s more to the process than mining. To be able to power machines, it had to be refined into something similar to batteries (the diamonds) and charged with light. Ancestors didn’t have infinite light like we do, so they used mantas. Hence the capturing in the Warrior segment of the concert.

Most of the factories where these batteries were refined were in Wasteland. Draining the creatures of their light released darkness into the environment, much like real-world pollution. Creatures became corrupted and the area became unlivable. It’s likely that the people of Wasteland banded together to rebel against this system and return to the old ways of respecting nature and the Light. This is where the sun shields likely come from.

Except by that point, the rest of the kingdom had become very dependent on darkstone power. The process of refinement was highly destructive, but the technology it produced had genuine benefits - again, similar to real world industries that pollute for the sake of creating valuable products. And some benefited more than others. Which brings me to the question of “who was Wasteland fighting”

And the (apparent) answer might surprise you: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

Though this is all speculation, I find the evidence pretty compelling. Especially after what we see in the concert. And since then, they’ve been dropping other hints as well, which I’m working on compiling in a more coherent way than just a meme i made

said meme if anyone was curious

[arctic sphinx]

The problems are economy and politics

[native galleon]

And environmental destruction. They picked the climate change song for a reason.

[arctic sphinx]

Time to change my mindset about the lore i thought it was Wasteland vs Eden

[native galleon]

If we want to tie Eden into it, which I think would be likely, I would personally interpret it as Valley being loyal to the Kingdom and the existing system. Suppressing the rebellion on the King’s behalf, in exchange for power and maintaining the status quo. But that is just my own way of tying it together, I don’t know if it’s actually true or not

obligatory disclaimer that I don’t think their motives for this were all bad, and no one is evil, as you said it’s very complex and political and most of all human

[slim mango]

honestly, for skykid-like spirit, why only hopeful steward appears as normal spirit while others (from passage spirit's memories) are fully white?

[lyric imp]

It's interesting that in the small yemple in eden you can see spears and sun shields

[native galleon]

yeah I think so too! Maybe the Wasteland side occupied it?

[lyric imp]

Fully white? Wdym? They used to be orange during the season, then spirits turn purple if you haven't got them during the season, and gray if you have them relived. Is that what you mean?

[native galleon]

I think they mean the “extras” in certain spirit memories, like the other kids in Overactive Overachiever’s memory or Bereft Veteran’s son when they were younger

which might just be a case of them reusing simple models that are kid sized

[nimble ingot]

I am not following?
Spirits tend to be a blue colour, though they may sometimes apears with other colours/tints, including a greyish/pale colour.
Is that what you mean?

I know skykids in season of passage memories tend to appear pale white in spirit colour.

I can only assume that may be a way to link them to the child from ushering stargazer's memory.
Where they had fallen to the ground like a falling star.

[slim mango]

yes, that

[nimble ingot]

Image from an older analysis: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

Also....

Not even the guide from Revival that could be a skykid/spirit has a cape.

Which is odd given guides usually wear their cosmetics.
There are a few exceptions, namely dream's guide is a parent to the skater who is intended to wear their cosmetics in the final act.

For the revival guide, even though the guid is seen wearing their cosmetics in the season teaser art, I wonder if they might wear them in the final quest of the season
#WAFO

(Oh! I have been haunted XD)

[slim mango]

((whoa, me too, i'm crabby 😂))

(edit, wait, it changed back 🤣 )

[slim mango]

yes, that :)

[nimble ingot]

Perhaps it is temporary

[tough sky]

Why do you think the other characters in this memory are skykids? /gen

Isn't the only actual verified difference that skykids have an inner light? Those kids don't have one

[nimble ingot]

The reason I think so has been explained in the analysis I linked.

The short version is, skykids arrive as falling stars, the ushering stargazer corroborates this in their memory, the season of Performance's script by the Forgetful Storyteller gives another hint with the light (stars) falling and either break into motes (pieces of light), they become skykids, and two other outcomes I dont recall off the top of my head (will get that chart in a bit and go over that), and the colours of these spirit/memories may imply them being less associated with ancestors (represented by the colour blue) and more aligned with the Light (represented by White/Yellow/Orange).

[sharp lichen]

Let me answer your questions, respectively,

We were probably created by the light. Skykids are, biologically, a shell of clay with a mass of light inside.

The “souls” are probably other Skykids, just like us

[sharp lichen]

Eden probably had some influence in the war; it was probably occupied/sided with the same forces as Wasteland

[nimble ingot]

There are 8 endings/outcomes: (or 4 based on how 2 outcomes can be paired up with their similarities)

• At night, the star becomes brighter, it sacrifices itself and shatters and gives its light to a skykids ("a lonely child" in the desert)

• At night, the star becomes brighter, and becomes blinded by its own light and sees the child. (which implies the light/stars are sentient when they can see and act).

• At night, the star becomes dimmer, it splits up into "motes of light" and descends to the ground while shining brighter than the moon.

• At night, the star becomes dimmer, and is called (wished) down by a skykid calling to it and gives the last of its light to the child.

• At day, a silent child searches for a companion (or friend), they become tired and rests in a shade, they see another child go into a cave and patterns on the stones begin to glow (I figure this is a reference to the cave of prophecies, unless there is another cave with patterns/murals that light up. Or... possibly the first mural cave?)

• At day, a silent child finds a temple that eclipses the setting sun and meets an a figure with a radiant staff they shakily hold (which is most likely the dawn elder).

• At day, a silent child walks in the desert and finds a cave (possibly the same as the other outcome's cave)

• At day, a silent child falls into a valley, keeps walking into the cold night, and sees a light from a falling star (possibly the same as the first outcome with the star that saw a child )

/hj
Anyone getting this type of falling star vibe?

Imagine us skykids are like falling stars that become fire demons like Calcipher XD

[tough sky]

Ok I get it
Thank you for your explanation

I still think it's a stretch to say that the children in the Passage spirits' memories are skykids
But it's interesting for sure

Also the first cave mentionned is definitely the very first cave with murals at the very beginning

[lyric imp]

Mind you, while we know that sky kids come from falling stars in some way, forgetful storyteller's quest seems to be about some kind of a folk story. It's not given that everything said in there is 100% true in a literal way. In our world we also can say that stars see or do things as a metaphor or animate things in a story, but it dossn't mean theycre sentient

[tough sky]

True
But it can still be used
And it is here so you tell what you felt the most while playing I think

[nimble ingot]

true.
In our world, real life stars are not sentient, nor are they ancestors. Naturally humans have used their imaginations and beliefs when telling stories to each other and passing then down through word of mouth.

The world of Sky does seemingly have an interesting way of telling stories through murals, although the drawings sadly do not fully ecplain the story they tell.
Forgetful story twller's story may have more information, but the information does not give a clear picture.
For example, a figure in a temple shakily holding a radiant staff. I would think that is the dawn elder.

I dont intend to argue, nor disagree with you.
More over, I'd love to hear your take on the story.
What about the story makes you think it is not meant to be taken literal?

[lyric imp]

Tbh imo that last one is hard to argue with bc two of the endings of the story are the isle elder before and after recollecting the mask

[thorny minnow]

I am so new to lore that I have no idea where to even begin-

[sharp lichen]

I have little belief that the yellow figures (the memory skykids) are skykids. I think they’re child spirits

They are the same size (if not taller) than the spirits.

[sharp lichen]

This document can help: https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

[thorny minnow]

Thank you!!!

[nimble ingot]

I wonder if the passage spirits are teenagers (according to the season theme. Which make them at the very least 13 years old. Assuming they are like humans), and assembly spirits are also children. Why are they different to the child spirits highlighted in yellow?

[thorny minnow]

Ascended spirits are yellow, maybe that has something to do with it?

[lyric imp]

First things first, noone knows, but in terms of speculation, most people agree that sky kids come from the Light. The Light seems to be something of a phenomenon/place/complex concept/metaphysical thingy that's hard to explain, but it's closely related to the cycle of life and many people associate it with megabird, deity from very old concept art that seems to be an avatar of sorts to all the light creatures. There aren't any strong hints that megabird made it to the final release of cotl, but at the end of credits and when you look up in orbit there's a distinct shape which vaguely resembles the nightbird.
In terms of what exactly we are, many people say we're made out of clay, and the two main arguments for it are the ding sound on impact when flying and the fact that we turn to stone after dying. Arguments against it include the fact that the arguments for it are pretty questionable and the fact that we are born when we fall from the sky, so being made out of clay would be weird. Either way, imo our physical aspect is inconclusive, but most people say it's clay.
In terms of soul, i'm pretty sure WL is our animating force and something resembling soul, although it's not a carrier of consciousness, though it seems to be our connection point with the Light and an establishment of presence in both the orbit and the world. They are scattered all over the realms and need to be brought back to the dead sky kids to allow rebirth. Imo the child we see in the pity room after we die is a WL we're given by someone else.
In terms of who were the first sky kids in eden, tbh no idea and it doesn't make any sense too me. Some people say it was the prince but as far as i know, we don't have any sources strictly relating to cotl

[lyric imp]

Tbh i kinda agree here. I suspect the first sky kids could have lived at the same time as the last ancestors. Imo passage takes place after the kingdom's fall and depicts continuation of its traditions even when it's in ruins

[tough sky]

I wonder if it is possible that the chronological order of the Seasons is the one that we see in game

Of course it is possible
But I wonder if it would actually work

Using Shattering as a base since it's the one with the most effects across the game, I wonder if there is any Season that came before Shattering that probably happened after it

[sharp lichen]

Using the chronological order of seasons is probably impossible, unfortunately

Passage seems to be one of the earlier seasons, where colored magic was used more

[tough sky]

We see that magic in Enchantment and Prophecy right?

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, if you want, you can see my full season timeline here: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[lyric imp]

Tbh it seens to me that shattering was the end of ancestor civilisation for the most part. The ones after it could have been assembly, abyss, passage, maybe lightseekers and gratitude, as they don't require an existing society or infrastructure to make much sense. I'm not sure exact ordering is important. Tbh nothing is stopping multiple seasons from happening at the same time

[icy wing]

Hey just wanna say, really like this timeline. It's pretty much what I had in my head but never saw the all the seasons listed like that

[tough sky]

I get it

But if I say that every season that came after Shattering happened after it too, I can probably make krills come from that Shattering
The war might have happened because of the Shattering too which would lead to Remembrance happening after it too

[native galleon]

the way valley somehow always holds on even though their situation is arguably the most precarious and dependent upon other realms 🤔 i’d be interested to know how they pulled that off

[sharp lichen]

I’d argue that some places, like the Village of Dreams, are somewhat self-sustaining

For a simplified version:

Prophecy, Passage, Sanctuary, Gratitude, Belonging, Rhythm, TLP, Lightseekers, Remembrance, Enchantment, Assembly, Dreams, Flight, Shattering, Performance, Abyss

Keep in mind that some seasons happen simultaneously

[compact shale]

Wait, which part of SoTLP has a place in the timeline?

As in, the spirit memories?

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, and when the seasonal area was made

[compact shale]

What do you think is its purpose in canon sky?

[sharp lichen]

Starlight Desert was probably uninhabited for most of the time

My best guess is an outpost of sorts

[compact shale]

Ah yes

[obsidian condor]

where is the bit after eden meant to be located? on top of the mountain?

[obtuse tapir]

You mean the part were you hug another child?

[obsidian condor]

the part where we fly in the clouds and stuff

[obtuse tapir]

Like, before you ascend to Orbit?
If so, then most likely.
(MY NICKNAME 💀 )

[obsidian condor]

i thought it was a castle but theres random snow slopes and clouds everywhere

[obtuse tapir]

Oh yeah the snow slopes bit, I'm not sure why are they even there.
As for the clouds, I am no expert in this channel, but my first assumption is that it's probably because of the storm, idk.

[sharp lichen]

The snow slopes were probably like the inside of the mountain

[obtuse tapir]

Oh true

[hushed steeple]

eternal crab

[manic delta]

What's the original story of sky? How darkness are made and where they came from? And what are the elders? Are they dead? And the spirits we relive are they dead too?

[honest swallow]

I haven't read #lore-discussion-spoilers but i can tell from rumors.
Original story is the movie Sky: two embers, there are were alive ancestors before time of skykids. When all ancestors are dead, their spirits are lost and cant go to Light and constellations(remember, there are graves in all start of maps, if you approach them, spirits appear) skykid is messenger from Light, it fell from space to them lost to remind. Elders are leaders of locations, they are lost too without skykid. Darkness appeared from war and pollution by bad ancectors, they also created krills are robots for war. Krills have ball of light like wl thats why they're not interested in wl

Maybe im wrong, answer me

[tough sky]

We don't know
We don't know
We don't know
Probably
Probably

The goal of the channel is to discuss and find an answer that you like
I don't think there are many theories that have a mostly accepted answer

The lore is very blurry for that specific reason

Depends on what you mean by the original story of sky

[vast talon]

Someone in #questions-and-help said this channel can help me know what megabird is? I found the word in the sky iceberg

Is this it? Someone mentions it being in a mural in ark, does anyone have a pic of that?

THIS IS AURORA?????

[cold sparrow]

Megabird is the concept art/development name of what ingame is now just called The Light.
As with many things in Sky, the lore is purposefully very vague, but simply but, The Light is somewhat of a force of nature, a collective of life-giving energy and memories. All light creatures come from and return to The Light.
The Light is often considered something of a deity, though it doesn't seem like The Light should be considered an individual of any kind. It doesn't seem to act with any intention or agency. It just is.

Now, Aurora is not The Light. First and foremost, Aurora is a storyteller. Aurora seems to be representing The Light in some of her songs, like an actor in a role, giving it a voice and a face, particularly in Inhale Exhale and Through The Eyes Of A Child.
What Aurora is exactly, in terms of canon, is heavily debated. Some say she exist outside of canon, as she is distinctly not an Ancestor or Skykid, but represents a real world person. Others say she may be the voice of the four Aurora spirits, that combined their magic to give their stories a Voice. A very popular theory is also that Aurora is at the very least an aspect of Megabird/The Light, that has come down to the kingdom to tell its story. It may be all of the above, but keep in mind that these are just theories and interpretations.

[pastel brook]

look at it go, look at me dance over the Sky like a krill

[sharp lichen]

This document sort of explains some things:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

[vast talon]

Ooo I love the last one, I think I will keep thinking of aurora as a part of the light that came to talk to us, retell history
Mega bird is a bunch of stars right? Do you think the stars are the children of light? They live, they die, they visit the light again, stay there for as long as they like (the orbit) then they continue the cycle of discovering new spirits that live in the sky (new seasonal spirits and such) just to return to their home

AAAAAA it's so fun and calming to think about sky in different ways/meanings
I like that they kept the story/lore vague

[polar violet]

Don't know if this will help?. I remember when I was going through Sky concept art and came across this one made by Tom Zhao (look at his work, it's awesome ). A word of caution, I don't know the date of this or if the lore is 100% accurate to the current canon, some was scrapped for sure. But It depict the cycle of light - light creatures (evolution?) and the return to megabird/The Light.

[lucid bridge]

WEEOOO! I was right! Unnatural death causes the skeletons!

[hushed steeple]

Thats right
And this is why its extreamly likely that all the skeletons we see in Waistland and the one in Forest are the result of sky megafauna like whales getting......"Un alive" by the ancesters
(stupid censors😑 )

This probably happened around the first peried of the "War age"

[hushed steeple]

Sorry for not replaying for so long. Things have been crazy busy for me up until now😅

As to the topic, I was a huge fan of steven universe too, which is why your description reminded me of it.
And about your argument, I never intended to inply they worked the exact same. I wrote it like that becouse of the joke, but was too busy to say my honest opinion.
When the meme opertunity was just handed to me on a silver plate, I had to take it😂

[tough sky]

Perfectly understandable

And no worries
Life can get crazy sometimes

[hushed steeple]

Personaly, while I think it possible that the hair is (mostly) made of light, but I dont think the same apply to the body.
We see that ancesters leave behind a body (what we light up in spirit quests), as well as the statues in Edan, who all seam to be made out of the same material.
In the case of the statues in particularm we return the children of light (light wings) to the statues, which are there souls, and our souls are the same as children of the light as we fall down to earth. So there is a clear dicodamy between phicical mater which is the body, and light energy which makes up the soul and lifeforce of sky kids

[rare sparrow]

哈囉

[hushed steeple]

I do think this concept are is still very much canon to the curent version of the lore, especially considering something that will be relealed as the season goes on

[tough sky]

Oh yeah
I wasn’t talking about the bodies
Only the capes and hair
I wasn’t very specific when I said it, it seemed obvious to me but now that I read it again
It really wasn’t

[hushed steeple]

Oh, sorry. I guess maby I didnt pay arention enough😅
Since the conversation was about casting shadows at the start, it just made sence to me that the body was the main topic

[tough sky]

I do think this concept art is still canon
It seems like what is still in the beginning cutscene

[hushed steeple]

Also....(and please dont ask me how I know this, just take my word for it😅 ), sky kids ARE wing light (child of light) while we are falling towars earth. We have that form right until the moment of inpact

[tough sky]

So a bit like the concept art?

[hushed steeple]

You will find out soon enough😉

[tough sky]

Winged light being skykids is something I have accepted as true long ago

(I think you're on the edge though)

[hushed steeple]

which is why I will say no more on this subject and let this fact become self evident with time😅

[cold sparrow]

you really need to stop that

[hushed steeple]

As for all this "materialization" stuff it apears that sky kids, once they fall to earth, are in a way maniulating and transmuting the earth and mater around them to create there new body, creating a phisical shell that contains there soul, and allowes them to freely interact with and experiance the phisical world

[hushed steeple]

And this is where we can use Steven Universe as a good analogy to how skykid materialization works (which is what I originally wanted to say 2 days ago but never got the chance😅)

The Gems in Steven Univers create an entire body out of light, whit the gem (there core) on it. Similarly, sky kid create a phisical body that contain the light (there core) inside.

The Gems could be killed and loose there body's, but that can be reformed after a while from the gem, just as we reincarnate after we die, creating a new body in the process

Further more, all Gems, despite haveing the ability to chapeshift, all have a true form that the gem creates, and the exact look of that body is a reflection of the character of that Gem. I think sky kids body's work the same. The exact shape that the our light cores construct is reflection of our soul, like our character is the sorce code instruction for how the body is constructed. And even beyond our birth, the light within us can change and transmute the shape of our bodies over long periods of time based on our true nature and emotional state

[hushed steeple]

Sorry if this was a bit incoherent, but Im dead tired now and just wanted to get this out there. 😅
Good night @tough sky

[tribal otter]

Since you didn't get much of an answer here--

The Mountain:
we really begin almost all the way up the mountain, I believe, at an outpost or perhaps the gates to the inner city (the tower before the main gate). From there, we ascend the mountain toward the palace, where almost all the buildings are destroyed by debris or reduced to dust by the Eden Stone explosion. Only plain and useful buildings remain, ones that were most likely focused on efficiency than the golden-platedm towering structures implied in the show. We see, at the edge of the first level of Eden, what I believe to be a museum or perhaps a temple dedicated to Resh's achievements and belongings (the two sabres and the shield which can only fit an elder, as well as some tapestries). There is also the astronomy building which is surrounded by krills. That building has absolutely no decoration but a thick, reinforced build as well as good, flat foundations. Beyond that is something kind of like a lower courtyard of the palace, close to the palace and containing small, delicate gateways and borders.

The Tip:
The tip of the mountain is hard to discern. It's practically chaos, but I've managed to work it out a bit. From a distance, the palace floats above the rest of the mountain, carved out like the peice of a puzzle and held aloft by the Eden Stone (thus, the pictures we see of the palace torn in two, a light in the middle). The Stone is kept in a temple of sorts surrounded by the inner city.

The Hail Storm:
The Hail Storm is furious discord. All we know is that we are right under the palace, which means we are most likely in the Eden Stone's temple. The size of the stone at the distance we see it would make sense. There is not much to go off of in the Hail Storm. All we can see are columned buildings and towering statues of (I think) priests. Rubble is all that remains of the inner city.

(No idea why it didn't reply to your message the first time lol)

[native galleon]

Now that we know Eden was more of a city rather than a sparsely populated sacred site, who do you think lived there? What did they do? What were their roles in society? I have a couple rough ideas but I want to know what you guys think

[nimble ingot]

I would think the citizens of Eden may have been powerful users of Darkstone.
Ancestors with magical abilities as powerful as (if not more than) levitating adept, the Lightseekers, or even the Aurora group.

Otwerwise, perhaps ancestors as varried as the ones in valley, and vault.

[tribal otter]

The tip of Eden probably consisted of Resh, priests and scholars, and the nobility. Next would be the richer merchants, the artisans, and high ranking soldiers, as well as the Lightseekers (if they lived there). They would live on the upper part of the mountain but still a ways from the palace. The middle of the mountain would have larger groups and guilds. This area would probably also have darkstone factories. Beneath them, farmers and immigrants lucky enough to make it to the mountain. The bottom would probably fade back into the industrial Wasteland and its wall.

[robust raptor]

Oh wow thank you so much for this!! I wasn't expecting such a great response haha.

I'm interested in the hail storm area quite a bit! I saw some cool structures there last time I was there and I'll be going to Eden tonight to investigate it... And see what I can see!

I find it interesting that so much of the area around the crystal is so devastated... It's quite harrowing realizing this as you get closer it's basically a wasteland there. Shows the destructive power of the crystal / diamond

Do we know the original intent or design of the crystal ..? Why it became so destructive and unstable? And more importantly do you think there is some way to get rid of it or stabilize it? I see your mention of Dark stone, what exactly do we know about it?

Thank you for taking the time to discuss this with me!

[native galleon]

I also think there would be levels to it, clergy and people who worked directly for the king in the upper sections, and laborers who worked in the mines and refineries in the heavily industrialized lower section

[native galleon]

I also think it’s interesting that the structures here are surrounding the beam, but only the castle is above it. The beam is where spirits ascend and creatures are reborn, so my interpretation of that is: you touch it, it sends you straight into the Light. And if that’s the case, I don’t think anyone besides the king would live in the floating part, and you’d literally have to be immortal to withstand being there.

[sharp lichen]

I think they were mostly a sacred site for a large part of the Sky kingdom, but it was only until the later eras that it became a modern industrial city

[native galleon]

i also agree with this, obviously it can’t have always been a city, but there’s clearly a lot of development there

[sharp lichen]

I think the reason the beam doesn’t show there is that because it’s being harnessed by some version of the Eden Diamond

Whether the king actually lived there is a major “wait for Two Embers” material

[native galleon]

Yeah i think we’ll have to see

[tribal otter]

The original intent for the crystal was a reliable power source (though we see, later in the second Aviary task that it was reimagined somehow) Resh commissioned from Teth. We don't know whether the standard size diamond was built first or the Eden Stone, but if I had to guess Resh asked Teth to build a small prototype and later sponsored her further experiments on the diamonds.

[pastel brook]

Aviary is not built in a day

[robust raptor]

I read from the Wiki lore dump that they made the crystal due to the lack of light creatures (as they took too many resources from them, leading to some kind of war between the light creatures and people of the Sky realms)... I am not sure if this is still the case now?
I have done the Aviary task and are you referring to the part where we light to campfire allowing the 'technology' to light up?

[tribal otter]

Honestly, upon making the crystal Teth was responsible for the massacre of thousands of creatures of Light. Power Diamonds are constructed using a certain mineral mined in Prairie Peaks and the Forest but they are powered by light cores reacting to flame. Teth had to basically extract the soul, or the light core, of creatures in order to power a diamond. The reason the stone was corrupted was due to the anger of the cores trapped inside. However, yes, there was a war between the Eden loyalists and the Megabird supporters, including the creatures of Light.

Also yes the campfire part

[robust raptor]

Thankyou so much for your detailed responses!
The creatures of light, their goal is to return to the Megabird in some grand circle, correct? Did creation of the city of Eden prevent this, or the crystal?
Also I didn't know about the aspect of the light cores... That's pretty harrowing stuff! Is there any murals or art depicting this process that you know of?

[tribal otter]

The megabird being a cycle was the original idea... however, I think that only Skykids are able to make it all the way through the cycle immediately. As for the prevention... light cores aren't killed when they're extracted. Only the body of the creature. Upon being put into the power stone, the souls weren't provided passage to Orbit. Instead they were thrust into a cage with no hope of escape.

[tribal otter]

As well as light cores, I believe I can find you a picture ^^

Here's two murals of core extraction and the origin of the krill. These are supposed to be in the Abyss area.

You can see the light being extracted from the whale and the eggs and funneled into the diamonds on each side. However, if you leave a host without its core, all that's left is a husk... or worse, corruption. Since the creatures were formed in these conditions before they hatched, they were born with hostile instincts, chasing away the Abyss residents and taking over the facility.

[robust raptor]

Oh wow, thanks so much for this. These are fascinating! Is the giant krill creature in the Abyss area some corrupted whale? Is there any explanation for why the Krill seem to seek out and destroy Sky Kids and light creatures in particular?

Coincidently im in the abyss area right now, and are these the Darkstone diamonds they would have powered with light creatures...?

[arctic sphinx]

The bottom for the shard and the castle is castle. I still don't understand why eden castle is floating.

[willow pumice]

Comparison of structure of worlds between sky and kabbala

Comparison of being reborn paintings between sky and a kabbala book

[native galleon]

Where in the second Aviary task? Not sure what you’re referring to, but if they’ve shown this somewhere I definitely want to see it

[dreamy wave]

So what does the elder memory means?

[faint pawn]

Is there a lore reason for why the rain in the hidden forest extinguishes our flame but we can dive into deep waters just fine?

[tribal otter]

When you light the hearth in the shop, the sparks power something like a diamond, but it seems that there are no cores inside because it turns a bright gold and doesn't outline a central core

[native galleon]

Is that connected to the Eden diamond tho?

[tribal otter]

The forest is one of the greatest sights for corruption. The rain has been turned to an oil, or darkwater, which drains your light.

[faint pawn]

Hmm
I thought the wasteland had the title of the most corrupted area, given the sheer amount of crustaceans

[native galleon]

Forest is one of the most corrupted areas, not the most. Even Wasteland isn’t the most corrupted, that would be Eden

[tribal otter]

Nope! The way it is filled and the way the diamond looks, is completely different to the Eden diamond. While it is inspired by a power diamond, the Aviary seems to have remained it without the use of liht cores

[tribal otter]

The power diamond is helping the Eden castle float. I'm assuming the bottom of the castle has another diamond, though smaller, which acts as a magnet to the Eden Stone, pushing it upward

[native galleon]

Ok I wasn’t sure what you meant then, since your original message said the aviary quest shows that the eden diamond was reimagined somehow?

Or do you mean that the power diamonds in general were changed to something else

[tribal otter]

Power diamonds in general

[native galleon]

Ohhhhhh I misunderstood then

Also, I don’t think they were reimagined during the Ancestors’ lifetimes, because if they had an alternative that worked on a large scale, I would think they would use it. I think the only reason this works now is because skykids have infinite amounts of renewable energy stored within them

[sharp lichen]

It could be argued that Wasteland has more corruption, but Eden’s corruption is more severe

[tribal otter]

Well, the Aviary was built during the war, used as a sanctuary from Resh. With the corruption in him already spreading, it's entirely possible they could've remained the diamond, but were unable to change Resh's mind

[native galleon]

though it’s worth noting that we do see some smaller-scale alternatives, like butterfly power and a gate that just uses fire, in Prairie and Isle respectively. I think these places would have tried to find alternatives, but they just wouldn’t be viable to maintain the kind of infrastructure that other realms have

[sharp lichen]

This does seem like a wafo moment for when Two Embers comes out

If Hopeful Steward is there, then it’s very likely aviary gets at least a mention

[tribal otter]

Avairy's such an important season, I would have a stroke if it wasn't mentioned lol

[sharp lichen]

All of them are to some extent, though it’s up in the air as to which of them will appear

[cold sparrow]

You make a lot of claims about Resh doing this or wanting that. Is there any proof for that? Otherwise, you should make interpretations and headcanons more clear.

[sharp lichen]

Given ‘Resh’ will very likely appear as a main character in The Two Embers, and the other is Hopeful Steward, it is very likely the king has some relation to aviary

[tribal otter]

There is proof the king was corrupted, and though it was his lust for power that corrupted him, in shorter terms it was the construction of the Eden Stone that pulled him and the kingdom over the brink. There is also proof that the corruption spread to other elders, such as Tsadi, though most of that proof is in beta.

[cold sparrow]

Likely, sure, but as far as I can see, there is no proof anywhere that Aviary was built during the war, and that the King is involved.

[tribal otter]

Some of that proof is found in the shattering memories, Aurora's YCEM Memory (Beta and In game), and murals.

[cold sparrow]

Please keep mentions and indicators from Beta out of this chat.

My point is that you're free to make theories based on what we know about Two Embers and such, but you should emphasize them as such. A lot I read here about Resh was phrased like it was fact, when the game barely acknowledges the King, outside of a mural or two.

[tribal otter]

This chat is entirely based off of theories. I don't condone mini-modding but I will protect my argument. Beta is free to be discussed in this chat. All theories are good theories. I mentioned in multiple texts that all my discussion might be inaccurate or completely theorized off of my limited knowledge.
I'm not going to argue any further.

[native galleon]

Beta is not free to be discussed in this chat, it’s against the rules

[tribal otter]

Can you screen-shot me that?
I'll gladly stop but I can't find that rule.

[sharp lichen]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[tribal otter]

Ah gotcha 👍

[sharp lichen]

I know you’re exciting about what’s to come (I certainly am), but it’s best to be patient to let others enjoy it

[tribal otter]

I've tried to keep any beta discussion on stuff that never did and never will make it into the game, supporting my theories with a grain of salt. If I do discuss something that might make it into the game, I will spoil it. But I see your point

[native galleon]

Best to just err on the side of caution

[tribal otter]

Anyway
Uh
Watcha wanna talk about

[faint pawn]

What's the deal with eden
Why's it filled with red crystals

[tribal otter]

Eruption from the center

[faint pawn]

And the crystals are what turns the water in the final area into that oily stuff?

[tribal otter]

I mean
We don't really know how water corrupts. All we know is that it does

[native galleon]

You know the blue crystals around the realms? It’s a corrupted version of that. Blue crystals are more stable and take light only when it is given, red crystals suck the light out of their surroundings

Darkness seems to have a passive and active state, indicated by color: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[faint pawn]

I really regret skipping cutscenes rn
How exactly are the sky kids made and what's our actual purpose? Just to help the spirits in eden?

[sharp lichen]

Skykids have many purposes, one of them includes helping the “Fallen” in Eden

The Fallen are skykids like us

We know very little about how they were made, except from the light. They were probably formed out of light in Orbit and then sent down

[lethal rock]

sorry if this has been talked about already but is there in universe reason the realms never have their time of day changed?
i know that there are few exceptions but mostly from the main areas the time of day always stays the same.

So, I’m wondering if the world is the same type of a rock that spins arround a star, that just doesn’t spin making the time stationary or is the world completely something else?

[tribal otter]

Oofers. It says that almost all realms DO have nightfall, as it is mentioned in Season fo Passage, but I think it's just based on coincidence. Without the help of cutscenes or certain parts of the story, we're always coincidentally in a realm during a certain time of day, unless quests or events have a say in it

[lethal rock]

ah alright! i have only played since season or aurora so i’m still piecing things together

[sharp lichen]

I have a theory that because the Eye of Eden is acting like a black hole and distorting time around it, the realms themselves are being frozen in time

And the farther away you go from Eden, the more “normal” time becomes

[lethal rock]

That really cool theory! Is the world of sky even a ball? i know the game can’t be as big as the real world but is the place we play like one kingdom that has fallen and other sky beings live somewhere or is the world we play in all that there is?

[tribal otter]

In the two embers trailer it does show areas outside of the kingdom

[lethal rock]

oh so the show will be canon? 👀 sweet~

[faint pawn]

Is the little prince also a light being like the sky kids? Or is he a normal blue spirit?

[nimble ingot]

The Little Prince is an anomalous character in the Sky universe. Meaning, he is a guest who is a human boy.

When the season was active, he was human. The blue version you see now is a memory of the Little Prince (I call them the echo version)

[sharp lichen]

“A ball” you mean a sphere?

[sharp lichen]

Well, I think they are areas inside of the kingdom, just in a different time period

I think making a new continent outside of the current Sky world would be extremely jarring

[tribal otter]

Well it shows pictures of migrants coming to the Isle and heading toward the Ferryman's temple. There must be an area outside of the kingdom.

[sharp lichen]

I think those “migrants” came from the Home area

[tribal otter]

That's a lot of ancestors living on a tiny island. I don't think the home area was made for ancestors, but somehow constructed by the MB as a home for skids.

[sharp lichen]

I think the home island flooded, and that’s why it left

We see the Treasure Reef flood, so maybe people were forced to migrate north

[nimble ingot]

Touching on the Treasure reef flood theory.

My headcanon is the island used to be a floating island. But after mining out the dark stone in it, the island lost its ability to float and fell. The only evidence I could find that implies this are the mining equipment left behind on the sunken island (now reef), coupled with past mining expeditions leading to rack falls, and knowing that some natural islands can float similar to how most buildings and platforms in Sky can float as well (thanks to the refined dark stone supporting them).

[tribal otter]

I like the idea of that! It would definitely make sense.

[lethal rock]

i think so too. we can see in the trailer that eden is first, still in one piece and two not red. so the ”eye of eden” or ”dimond of eden” or whatever the true name of the thing is, is still stable. (or somewhat stable, at least not having the hissy fit it’s having currently)

My bet goes to that the movie will show us the shattering happen or at least the moments when it’s about to happen.

The atmosphere within the trailer has that build up terror right before everything goes sideways energy. I’m so hyped.

[lethal rock]

sorry english isn’t my mother language.. but yeah that’s what i ment.

[tribal otter]

This is a summary of the two embers

[lethal rock]

i see my theory still has merit. amazing summary. i kinda would want to blind to see the show with as little info and possible but imma be real with myself and know that’s not going to happen.

[narrow crag]

I wonder what was going through Eden’s king head when he made the crystal. Cause why would he need a crystal that big?

Also tried to take a pic to see if it would be easier to read. Not even game camera works. Sad day to be switch player

[lethal rock]

i think he slowley wanted to have more and more and at somepoint everything just came down. you know? and i’m pretty sure it wasn’t just only him making it happen.

[nimble ingot]

. .
P O W E R

[tribal otter]

I think it was either to get the palace to Orbit or power the entirety of Eden

[clever stratus]

This is a really late, and I may be wrong. But I think that the Season of the Little Prince was an allegory-type of storytelling for the king’s youth and his view of the elders when he met them with each spirit representing an elder. I don’t think the Little Prince was an actual person in the history of Sky and how it when down but a stand-in for the King. I’m sorry if this holds no water or has been discussed before.

[native galleon]

I think the possible purpose of the Eden diamond could have been to harness the light coming from the beam so they didn’t have to use light from creatures anymore. An attempt at ‘clean’ energy that backfired. The system of draining light creatures for power caused pollution, unprecedented corruption, and a devastating civil war, so maybe it was an attempt to solve these problems that were too big to solve in any other way. To have infinite power, but not in an evil power-hungry way, more in a well-meaning fix-it way

[strong edge]

this has to be the most obscure detail in the world but I am looking at if the background fading stars align with the real stars in the constellations

[empty belfry]

Honestly i never realy thpught about it until now, but i realized i dont know how to war in sky started or why. Any ideas?

[hushed steeple]

Wait do you or anyone else have a full image of that

[narrow crag]

Nope

I went like 3 times with camera or more to see if i could mess it to look high resolution.

[latent lark]

Canonically (ie as stated by tgc at some point in time) dark dragons devour light right? Like it’s not just that they’re knocking the light out of us (due to technical limitations and/or replayability of gameplay)? One could say they’re just hungry “creatures” of darkness vs shard crabs/infected crabs where they’re aim is to snuff out the light, right?

[narrow crag]

So skykids are a snack for krill xD

[onyx schooner]

Hoping the future gates at Aviary Village are for 7 new realms instead of the old ones. :]

[tough tide]

As darkness creatures, it could be possible that they’re also constantly losing light so they have to find other sources for it aka light creatures to stay alive

[charred willow]

Hmmm, if they want to devour light they're really bad at it

When they hit us they simply knock out light that we can retrieve

[charred grove]

Any lore on these?

[faint pawn]

Being able to choose the home location definitely sounds like a good idea

[charred willow]

That would be crazy but also very unlikely

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, I think one of them is the Big Dipper (ursa major), so it could be likely all of them are real life constellations

[sharp lichen]

This provides a good summary: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[sharp lichen]

That would honestly be a bad idea

[tough tide]

Where does the vault have a place in this war? The vault is kind of like the technological feat of the kingdom, especially with the invention of the elevator used to ascend to different levels. Many of the designs in the architecture of vault incorporate diamonds, celebrating the technology despite its downsides. So is it possible that the vault could have been raided as a sign or protest or revolt?

Or was it protected under sky government like idk

[native galleon]

Thank you Baud

As for the Vault, it was probably protected, because that’s where the refugees from the war went. Even if they wanted to invade it, which I don’t think they did, they couldn’t, because the people fleeing the war had nowhere else to go.

[tough sky]

The Vault is not really in good shape
There are walls only up to floor 2/3
Most of it is not really there anymore and most of the knowledge kept is lost

[sharp lichen]

I think Vault was so heavily defended that the war never directly came to it, but refugees settled there

[native galleon]

Like yeah, they use a lot of darkstone, but they’re not the ones fighting to defend it. I also think that usage would slow and they might even do research to develop alternatives as the dangers became more apparent

[grizzled hearth]

Guys any theory about krill origin? Is it eden elder pet or something and eden elder is secretly antagonist or idk

[sharp lichen]

Jenova Chen said they’re corrupted in some way

Probably came before Eden Elder

[languid island]

How do the krills actually eat? It is officially said they are hungry for your light. But they leave the scattered winged lights untouched

Maybe they are drawn to them like moths but can't consume them after all - much to their own endless disappointment

[autumn zinc]

Probably~

Wait, the first Krill in GW merked le poor manta- so maybe they actually do?

[languid island]

So they only eat living light objects but skykids are too tough or somehow different

[hushed steeple]

Well maybe they can eat every light creature, exept skykid cuz their just some mooving statues

[strong edge]

Oh yes they all are, for anyone interested I will list them in order
•Cassiopeia
•Cygnus
•Big dipper (part of Ursa Major)
•Lyra (?
•Gemini (the one shown previously)
•cancer (?
with Lyra and cancer I’m still in the process of making sure they are those constellations

but you know how in the friendship constellations there’s stars that fade in and out in the background? My obscure detail is seeing if those are accurate

[cold cipher]

yall im actually one of the krills

[sage isle]

so, since sky kids are yk- invulnerable to fire and all of that. What would happen if they swam in lava

[faint pawn]

They absorb so much energy at once that they begin glowing

[sage isle]

they become a living, "breathing", walking, winged light

[drifting socket]

humble suggestion: everything is cake

[obtuse tapir]

Would they still drown if they put their head under the lava's surface, though?

[tight plinth]

does anybody have answers as to why some spirits have capes and some don’t? why do all sky kids have capes but not all of the spirits who (im assuming) previous sky kids? it was something i always wondered. i’m new to the lore and understanding it so excuse me if this is a dumb question lmao

[cold sparrow]

The skykids use them to fly, but the ancestors couldn't fly. To them, it was probably just a piece of clothing, used either for warmth or protection or just style.

[sharp lichen]

If open fire is so harmless to them, then I guess lava will have around the same function

However, as lava is extremely viscous, I could imagine it slowing down the speed of the Skykid

[tight plinth]

gotcha! in that case then what differs the ancestors from the sky kids? did ancestors evolve in a sense into sky kids over generations? sorry for all these questions LMAO

[cold sparrow]

skykids and ancestors are related, but not the same species at all. we don't know how exactly ancestors reproduce, if there is any sort of reproduction and birth like humans (though ancestors seem to at least age from child to adult), but skykids at the very least are shown to just... land like fallen stars, fully formed, and ready to go on their journey to eden

[tight plinth]

gotcha! is there a reason why sky kids go to eden? like what’s their purpose there?

[cold sparrow]

your guess is as good as any of ours. this is where the plot of sky gets very vague, and intentionally so. the details are up for anyone's own interpretation.
all we know is that our skykids wake up with a memory of eden, and through the game, they traverse closer towards the mountain of eden, where they brace the storm, try to rescue other fallen skykids by sacrificing their own light, until they themselves crumble and (presumably) wait for another skykid to come by and save them, where they ascend to the Light and are subsequently reborn

there are a lot of hints found inbetween concept art from earlier stages of development, and little tidbids gleaned from news articles and murals, that can fill some gaps. such as, that all light creatures are drawn to eden - or were, before the eden diamond shattered and turned it into an inhospitable hellhole - where they ascend to join/return to the Light and are reborn, as a sort of cycle of life. But also hints that the shattering of the eden diamond likely involved the 'King' - presumed to be/hinted at to be the very first Skykid, so it may be that all skykids are just fragments of that one, trying to rejoin/rescue our collective.
these are all fan theories based on concept art that may not represent current canon, and personal interpretations though.

it is possible that the upcoming animation mini series Two Embers will shed some more light (heh) on these bits of lore, but until then... as I said, your guess is as good as any.

[tight plinth]

gotcha!! thank u sm like actually!! im so excited for the miniseries my god i hope we get some answers!!

[hushed steeple]

Same fr

[dreamy saddle]

id argue that light creatures are still being drawn to eden to be reborn. we see trails of birds in forest and other realms (can even see them in eden), all heading the same path we are, and in orbit, we see the Light/Megabird with those characteristic tendrils of light around us, but looking close you see it's all birds and such flying towards that point of rebirth

See here, with what I found amongst my screenshots

[obtuse tapir]

Man i love orbit so much

[dreamy saddle]

obv some creatures are content where they are, i assume, like the night birds (i think thats what theyre called) in the moments area, and mantas in sanctuary and such. i can only assume that they aren't on this great migration

also the idea that the light creatures rebirth into higher forms, say, butterfly>bird>manta>bigger manta>etc>whale is interesting cause like, if the ancestors just continued guiding them along their journey and let them be, there would have been an increase of light in the world (im guessing) but NoOOoOo they had to drain them for light instead

[obtuse tapir]

Oh yeah i believe you can also see birds at the Valley's Citadel.

[dreamy saddle]

indeed you can!

[obtuse tapir]

And if my memory doesn't suck, there's also some birds being sucked into the Wasteland tornado if yk what i mean

[dreamy saddle]

ooh id have to check

[fierce plinth]

uhm idk if i'm in the right spot but uh close as possible ig?
did you guys see the huuuuge dark plant in aviary? i was there thinking how are we gonna burn it and how many of us is it gonna take

[dreamy saddle]

I def saw one, dunno if it was the big one tho

[fierce plinth]

you know the big cloud area next to the one dark plant that is clearly visible? head to the green ledge a little further and if you fall in there you'll get a glimpse but it's a struggle with the cloud

there's a shared space there that helps tho, i found it just now. if you catch a seat at the table they've set below, you can clearly look around while in the cloud

this ledge right here

i'm thinking maybe it'll be a bit of an event down the line of the season's quests and it just goes poof without usual intervention or something?

[tough tide]

That’s interesting because according to paintings in the refuge, converting memories to replayable footage was something done by all classes so on a grander scale, that was what the vault was most useful for to the masses of the kingdom. That could possibly mean that the whole recording business shut down to protect important memories/records. Srry for replying so late btw💀💀💀

[tough tide]

True, but I don’t think that’s because of war or revolt, the vault is the closest to the Eden mountain so I would expect it to be the most damaged from the explosion

[nimble ingot]

Would may be a borderline spoiler, but its live OOB, so take this with a grain of speculative salt. (sorry for no to spoiler tag images. I am on mobile)

I hope there may be a|| restaurant in Aviary.||

[pastel brook]

Omg omg y'all have you seen the new camera and the new area in Prairie? ...wait, whaddya mean you've had it for months?

[still zinc]

That would be so cool!

[sharp lichen]

I can’t believe it’s Flight 2

[sharp lichen]

I think it is to return the light to other Skykids, and complete the cycle of light

[soft timber]

Think of it as the Sky version of the Cycle of Life:

• We come to the initial island
• Going and learning about stuff
• Exploring and growing more
• Reach the end of the long journey
• Die
• Repeat

[marsh bridge]

does anyone have a higher quality version of this picture on the wall in the office?

[latent lark]

something i noticed is that this is kind of a pessimistic view of growing up (referencing the photo above). Midlife and aging could be really beautiful especially since we live in a world where a lot of people's life gets cut short. Adulthood is alright; it makes the season of dreams that much better since a lot of adults do live their dreams. But after that it goes downhill til we get to rebirth.

[dreamy juniper]

Is Vault dementia? 🤔

[latent lark]

that would be so sad, but i think it represents a period of reflection

[cold sparrow]

It's noteworthy that the Vault isn't on that graphic - I wouldn't exactly call the Vault 'downhill'
it is actually literally going up
where wasteland could represent the anxiety and stress over the midlife period (and a thing lots of people actually struggle with - inbetween being stuck in the same job for years, children leaving home and going off to have their own lives, loss of older family members, and the anxiety of growing older)
vault is the being old, it is calm, it is time to relax, it is wisdom and knowledge from an age of experiences, it is collecting and sharing memories

[latent lark]

alright. so yeah definitely reflection, while wasteland is sort of like a midlife crisis

shoot. maybe i'm still mentally stuck in the childhood phase

[cold sparrow]

yeah!
but also, this is all modelled on a very rough allegory of life. it is not meant to represnet the ideal life, and it is not meant to represent the real and only life people can lead.
not everyone's teenage age is full of tears and angst, not everyone's adult life is full of empowerment and freedom

[latent lark]

agreed, coming from the teenage years of eden

can't help but also notice the lack of seasons as well. cuz usually people represent growing up through seasons (which i appreciate tgc moving away from)

[cold sparrow]

there's a case of that in one of the remembrance spirits' memories, actually

[latent lark]

shoot must relive one of them then. i just be blasting through them trying to catch up on the seasons i missed

oh and thanks for having this convo with me

[cold sparrow]

always

[rich plank]

are werecrabs canon now?

[pallid dust]

Okay guys, while flying through the textures of the new season, I noticed a “door”? I don't know what it is, but it looks like a door, for example in Orbit or in the Halloween location

[nimble ingot]

Good find.
I saw it too, couldn't get close enough with the reset barrier.

[nimble ingot]

That would be funny to have werecrabs in Sky.
Can already see the fanon fodder from that idea XD

I'd say the curse that turns you into a crab could be canon. Even though it is likely going to be used in the days of mischief area only as far as the game is concerned.
That is unless the idea gets used in other parts of the game.
That said, you are welcome to explore this idea further with how this may work in Sky.

We do know that magic exists, and this magic can transform things. Therefore, it brings into question about what other creatures the spells can take form of, and how powerful they may need to be.

[dreamy juniper]

Are permanent resize potions canon?

[cold sparrow]

Probably as canon as any other cosmetic. They imply that the form of skykids is very malleable, but little more.
What would them being canon tell you?

[dreamy juniper]

Idk lol, thank you tho!

I figure skykids canonically come in all different sizes but I was thinking the potions wouldn't be canon, and that you'd just sort of pretend the new size is the size your skid has always had

[cold sparrow]

That's also a valid take! I believe things like the Home space, spells, constellations, wardrobes and the like to be primarily game mechanics. They can be explained to be lore in some way or another for the most part, but I don't think it's necessary to do so.

[sharp lichen]

I counter that by saying technically, nothing is more “necessary” in lore than others. The gameplay and lore are fundamentally intertwined, and if the lore explanation of wardrobes are as interesting as the downfall of the kingdom, then so be it

[somber moss]

Idk if this is lore related but is aurora referenced on the mural in harmony hall? And if so was she always on there? because some photos show it without her in the center

[nimble ingot]

For skykid lore, yes.
uncertain about other characters in sky.

[pallid dust]

I don't think so. After all, an adult can easily become the same as a child, and a child can grow taller than his peers.

It's just weird to me

[soft timber]

flies in and hits a wall with a ping Am here for more lore

[lucid bridge]

I think they are. Imo all the cosmetics are conscious manifestations of light. The bodies of sky kids are made out of stone. It’s not a stretch for me that there are spells developed to influence both.

There are already spells that can plant seeds and create winds and build structures.

[nimble ingot]

Here is a theory.

What if the cape is part of the reason why you can canonically cast spells, and be affected by them?
I noticed with the crab curse that when capeless, the effect does not work as well as intended.
When me and a few friends wanted to attempt the Prophecy trials as crab (TGC, please let that be a thing! It would have been awesome!).
Sadly, that dream was dashed out capeless skykids doing the trails instead of the crabby bois. Granted the trials did warn that spells wont work, but this became interesting when I attempted something even more insane.

For those looking for a challenge doing Eden, I recommend doing it as a crab!
The 30 min timer makes for some pressure to keep moving your crabby legs up the mountain, avoid the krill and all while you cannot fly or hold a candle.
To avoid spoilers the following sentence would be blanked: ||When you reach orbit, you will be a skykid at first. Simply keep running to the ascended spirits for a wl and you are golden ||

I may want to test this out some time with a capeless glitch. But it would be interesting if being capeless is what lets the curse/spell take hold.
I am confident the permanent height changing spell would work, as that is not an effect per say. So, lorewise, it may be temporary effect spells.

If this proves to be the case that skykids need a cape to be affected by spell effects; and assuming it is a lore fact and not just a quirk of the game's coding.
It would be interesting to explore the possibility that a cape is like a source of magic to the skykids. As in, while their own bodies can hold a little bit of magic, their bodies might not be able to hold all of that power inside on their own. Which is why this power flairs out as a cape. A maluable form of light that changes with the skykid's appearance, but it true function is to store power, and protect the skykids' own light.

I would joke with saying sky lore is like an onion, because it has layers. 🧅

But, now I am including Skykids!
Skykids are like onions. Because they have layers! XD

When explaining lore to a moth.

[faint pawn]

Speaking of capes, some spirits with capes have 1 (one) star, does that mean they could double jump?

[nimble ingot]

And moth be like: "you know... Everybody likes cake!"

[nimble ingot]

That is a good question.

The star on their capes is a feature that appears some time in this year. It is an odd change the devs have not bothered to explain as far as I know.

This also brings into question whether ancestors could fly with their 1 wing capes. How they would manage to get that wing light before the stars' fall (if an elder could have blessed them with it). And is this light may protect their light like how it protects ours.

As ghosts, they should be able to float on their own.
So, it could remain a mystery. One folks are welcome to investigate.

[faint pawn]

Jumping from capes to protecting the light...
All of the statues in eden appear to be going towards the big scary red crystal that's vomiting danger rocks, instead of doing the logical thing and running away? Like, there are 3 that got past the sand dune before perishing.
Is the area around the crystal supposed to be safe?
Will eden get an expansion in a future season?

I get that all the statues we see are other sky kids who have fallen, supposedly, but why did they go into the storm in the first place

[nimble ingot]

In a way, it was featured in a season (Shattering)
I believe the statue kids were like the skykids (if not the supposed 'first generation' of skykids), so they may have had a mission similar (if not the same) as ours.

Theirs seem very intend to reach the crystal. As in the cutscene where they are free, they fly up, then fly towards the crystal. Then the game feels like it skipped what happens and moves on to where we all ascend.

My other thought is the fallen were sent there.
They may have chosen to march to their deaths in the terrible storm. But it would be interesting to learn if the ancestors/elders may have had a hand in the events that lead up to their sacrifice.

[faint pawn]

What do you think they planned to do if/when they reached the crystal? Unite to create a gargantuan candle that'll burn the corruption™?

From what I understand the crystal doesn't really serve a purpose beyond keeping that castle in the sky afloat

[crisp socket]

Crabs are turtles

[nimble ingot]

how so?

[nimble ingot]

I have a headcanon that the crystal could have help control time.
But it is far fetched and has not much evidence to support it.

Another possibility could be it may have held memories, or held the castle aloft.

[crisp socket]

This is a joke, but i might want to elaborate:

Crabs can't get up without the help of others when they are flipped.
Crabs retract into their shell when inactive.
There are two crabs next to the sanctuary turtle.

[nimble ingot]

Ah ok. It's all good.

Granted a flipped crab is a lot like a turtle that fell over.
Another crab can come along to help them out.
I know in the game the crab can tuck its legs into its body. Though I think this may be the game's way of showing the crab tucking its legs under itelf to hide among the rocks for camoflage.
These rock crabs have bumby backs to help them blend in better while the sea turtles in sky seems to be water only animals.

Whether the sea turtles cannot fly on their own, or the game does not like to show them off as much as we like. I hope TGC may make use of these animals more in future spaces in the game for us to see them in action.
We have plenty of manta sightings in the realms, and it has become pretty much the norm for them to represent ambiance and some dynamics in areas where light creatures freely roam.

TGC seems very reserve with how creatures inhabit the levels.
They may add life to the environment, and may help the skykids along their journey, but that is sadly most of what we see of them.
We don't know how they rest, how they eat, how they play. Just fly around in interesting paths for the most part.
Which again, helps with level design, though personally does not help much with the story of the game.
Then again, these areas are destined to be revisited nearly every day, which may make any new event in them become stale after a weeks of repeated play throughs, sadly.

Which may come down to seasonal events.
For instance, even if it is a gag of the mischief event. I love the idea how a curse spell can transform humanoid creatures (ancestors or skykids) into other creatures.

That and while it is noticeable that the devs are reusing assets to make this work. I love how they added bats with using recoloured. tiny bird models.
That and again, recolouring the birds as crows.
While we dont get to see these creatures in the realms. I like to imagine these creatures may have come from our world (earth). Almost parts of our reality is leaking into Sky's in the Office space.
Perhaps, if this connection is canon to the lore. It may explain why the creatures and cultures of the ancestors are so familiar.

Many years ago, some creatures and ancient humans have arrives in Sky a long long time ago. And as the years went on, they evolved into the creatures and ancestors we see today (err- well, for the ancestors. We at least see how they could have looked like in life with their spirits).
These bats and crows may be more recent 'visitors' of the realms.

[nimble ingot]

Just expanding on this ancestor=ancient humans thought here. (I have no idea if someone else may have thought of this before). Anyone is welcome to give their input on this.

[trim mural]

this reminded me of something ash said a while back #lore-discussion-spoilers message
if there weren't any device limitations i wanna see the creatures so bad

[nimble ingot]

Now, to premise a few things. (because it has sadly happened before where a conversation turned sour when I post theories that may tread on slippery slopes. To which I would rather like to avoid with keeping things casual and light hearted)

The race of these ancient humans may be irrelevant (whether they were of African, European, Asian, North- or South American, Australian descent).
What may matter is the cultures involved here. There may be most likely a wide variety of cultures and not just the usual Greek or Mesopotamian mythologies. These are the most likely candidates, but there may be African (I would go as far as to say South African Khoi San mythology based on a few factors and that I am not very familiar with the northern African mythos), Celtic, and possibly Aztec, as well as Egyptian.

This theory is open to debate.
Those who dont agree are perfectly fine to say so. Just as those who may agree are welcome to add on to this with their thoughts.

This theory hinges on the meta physics of Sky lore being connected to the Earth via the Office. It may not be something everyone may agree with, and that is perfectly fine. The reason for pointing this out is to address the possible dismissals.

For new theorists, I hope you dont feel discouraged when someone dismisses an idea or question asked here.
From what I learned in 3 years on this channel is there will always be new faces coming and going, some of the users who may drop off can be regulars of the past.
Which would inevitably lead to topics being brought back up over and over again.
While people online at the time may not be interested in telling the same story again, you are still welcome to try again another time.

I learned a lot about the lore from conversations had here, a bit of reading there. But a good portion of the knowledge gained came from looking at concept art, but that may have to do with me loving art and am more visual oriented.
Summarising the lore sadly cannot be done in a short and sweet way, doing so would force one to leave out a lot of the underlying information (skipping a lot of details).
Another way I learned about the lore is in this channel, but you may need to dig around for it, lol.
Using the Discord search feature with keywords, or filtering to images would help cut down the back reading. Even if there is about 4 years' worth of texts here.

It would be cool for people to process all the years' worth of research, theories, breakthroughs and discoveries in a digestible document, wiki, or even a documentation video. And I believe there have been people who did so.

What is important though is take it at your own pace. Learn what is interesting for you, and feel free to engage with people over the thing that brought you here. Your curiosity about the lore, or want to talk about the game with people who share in that interest.

[nimble ingot]

The hypothetical origin of ancestors could be like this (if not a theory, then possibly fanon at least).

Many years ago, the were ancient portals to a world where light and darkness existed in harmony. Where light was infinite and the world was empty.
The first humans arrived by boat, after they got lost in the mist. They learned and adapted to this strange world. And as they grew used to the world, the world changed them.
Their bodies changed and their cultures mingled as people came and went.
Their communities eventually grew into kingdoms and this unseen being of the world sought to ensure balance with giving these ancestors guardians to watch over them.
These elders guided them, and helped keep balance in the world.

I would not delve further to when the calamity struck and kingdoms fell. Not before looking at how these humans may have become ancestors first.

What may be a good case study to compare to this, (meaning to look at something else for research to compare or analyse with this theory/research question), may be the Cloud people from South America.
I watched a documentary about these mysterious people who lived in the mountains, built unique homes and were notably paler in appearance compared to local tribes who encountered them.
It turned out, according to this documentary, there is a theory that they were once a group of vikings who got lost at sea and ended up in South America. They had not means to find their way to their homeland, they settled in South America and their culture evolved with this new world they found themselves in. Even though their cultures changed and differ from both worlds (so to speak), their journey and history was interesting, and may be applicable with how the ancestors in Sky may have evolved. But then again, I could be wrong with this fantastical leap. And the viking theory (as far as I know) were not confirmed and had debates going back and forth on it)

Where the Ancestors arrived in a strange new world, and as they grew, some pieces of their former cultures were kept, while they mingled and evolved over time.

[hushed steeple]

I think the crystal is the thing that keeps the storm going perpetually.
That of course wasnt its original purpuse, but thats what its doing since its gone compleatly out of controle.

The potential future endgoal of actually reaching the crystal alive probably has more to do with shuting in down.
You might even imagine it as doing what the Elders were moments to late in acompleahimg on that faithfull day (but that part is more going into fanfic teritory😅)

As for the castle city, its possible that it has its own crysrals that keep it floating, like what we see in Valley, and stayes in the air independently of the diamond
But its also possible that those crystal get there energy from the diamond, like some magi-tech generator

[sharp lichen]

But does it really matter for Skykids?

[pallid dust]

Idk

[faint pawn]

One thought the sky kids would get ever so slightly taller after each eden trip to signify their growth
Just a random stray thought, don't mind

[nimble ingot]

That would be interesting if the game were to do that. lol.

Then again, there ar eplayers that prefer being a certain height. Some may not care much though, seeing the differences may be at times subtle.

However, the fact that there is a small difference in height from skykids does add a bit of livelihood to them.
They are not just robots or golems, there is actual care put into them.

Skukids' sweet and youthful nature reminds me of an old film called A.I.
A film about a robot made to immitate a real child in a believeable way. To such an extend that one robot started to forget that they are mechanical at times and believed they are real.
It is a story that touches on other tales like that of Pinocchio and a bit of astro boy, in my opinion.

[lethal rock]

something something, moths being attracted to light that burns them.

[faint pawn]

😔

[lethal rock]

but for real, I have a feeling tahat the skykids that we play as don’t know why they do what they do. Because all the lore that we have seems to be written from ”the adults” and we as players are just as confused what is happening as the skykids are.

has it been discussed how long has it been when the shattering happened?

[mellow mortar]

Hey peeps! I'm sorry for interrupting the topic of the current conversation but In terms of the game's lore, what language do skykid/spirits speak? Is it English or just by emotes/honks?

[faint pawn]

Spirits at least can talk just fine
Skids are a different story though

[lethal rock]

i would say they just honk but the honks are a language as it has structure.

[faint pawn]

Don't sky kids honk every time you send a chat message? I guess chirps/honks are the language they communicate in, and it's just getting translated into whatever language the player sees

[lethal rock]

i guess the question comes down to, do the sky peole have the vocal cords to be able to create the same noices as humans can.

[faint pawn]

So many questions, so little answers

[mellow mortar]

That makes sense I guess

[lethal rock]

i kinda hope that the in the animated show they wouldn’t talk. i mean maybe having subtitles or something if needed but just having them honk and be expressive other ways feels right.

[mellow mortar]

OH DAMN THERE WILL BE A SHOW I FORGOT
I hope there's lore in this
And the idea of ​​subtitles is very creative, ngl

[faint pawn]

Sometimes I wish wasteland elder would've just taught sky kids how to use a spear so we could poke the crabs
But alas, we are just children, with our only defensive mechanism essentially being "yelling really hard"

[lethal rock]

i mean i would be more confused if it wouldn’t have lore lol. like the perfect media to get to tell that sweet sweet lore.

[mellow mortar]

No aggression we are creatures of love and friendship u.u

[faint pawn]

Gotta leave the magic to isle elder, smashing to forest elder, and stabbing to wasteland elder

And bickering and losing the fire to the twins...

[lethal rock]

it may just be wishful thinking on my part but having sometype of combat would be super cool in universe lore vise and gameplay vise. Not as you can just bonk anyone at anytime type but like a quest where veterans could protect either other players doing something or protecting npcs. Tbh don’t know how difficult coding something like that into an existing game would even be worth it / work.

[cold sparrow]

Honestly, I'm glad that Sky doesn't have any combat like that, and hopefully never will. I don't even think coding is the issue, but gameplay design and the game's core philosophy. Sky stands out as a game that revolves around very cooperative and pacifist gameplay. It's not without danger, but the fact that we, the skykids, don't solve things violently with swords or whatever is part of the point. The most we ever do is flip crabs upside down. And that's amazing.

[faint pawn]

I guess actual combat would go against the spirit of the game
But cmon, after traveling through the 5 realms you would think that sky kids would find some way to protect themselves

elder masks not counting

[cold sparrow]

I mean they do. Knocking over crabs, flying out of the range of krills, or hiding from them, umbrellas to shield them from the rain (wish they were more accessible), and krill repellant spells.

[lethal rock]

true that.

[soft timber]

honks

[faint pawn]

Do light/dark creatures have bones? There are a lot of skeletons of what appears to be whales in forest/wasteland

[cold sparrow]

Funnily enough, I just watched a video that touches on that. The video revolved around Fortnite, and trying to go against the game design of Fortnite and play the game in pacifist ways.
The conclusion of that video pointed out that humans, if given the chance, tend to be cooperative and selfless, and that more game devs should lean into that. Most games revolve around combat in some way, be it PvP, or PvE in RPGs. But the video actually mentioned Sky as one of the few games (along with a few others like Palia, Loftia, Mewdow or Book of Travels), that revolve around peaceful and cooperative gameplay.

[faint pawn]

What happened to wasteland anyway? Shipwrecks and whale skeletons suggest there was water at one point, but there are also weapons and fortifications scattered throughout?

[cold sparrow]

The most conclusive explanation we have on that is from one of Tom Zhao's concept arts. Canonicity is debatable, as with all concept art, but it does seem to align with how and where most bones are found (i.e. especially in the polluted areas of Forest and Wasteland)

[cold sparrow]

The Wasteland seems to have once been a sort of industrial area, with things like the 'temples' which are implied (/shown in concept art) to be darkstone refineries, the entire area of Abyss that still holds some ancient darkstone lab/refineries, the pipes and the giant beached transport ship.
It's also shown - most explicitly in the Aurora concert - to have once been the site of a battle (one of the Wasteland areas is even called the Battlefield).
All we know is that Wasteland seems to be one of the most polluted areas of the Sky kingdom - likely from the use and overuse of darkstone technology. It certainly didn't always look that bad, either, as shown in the Two Embers trailer.

[faint pawn]

Woah
It looks so nice
Wish there was a way to clean the wasteland up a bit for more views like this...
Forgotten ark is nice and all but yknow, it's literally just a ship surrounded by plain desert

[faint pawn]

i keep forgetting that ships and light animals can fly through the sky in Sky

[lethal rock]

i can’t remember where i got this idea but for me it seems that golden waistland could have been two things at once. outside of the big walls as in the pic above being middle to low class people just existing/ market place and inside the walls, guarding the vault, eden and the high class people. (this theory would need the culture of the people of sky have the same type of class system as humans in rl have.)

the war could have been revolution of ordinary people seeing the eden crumbling before the elite cared to do anything about it. Or the corruption from the eye of eden that created the dark beings just becoming so big of a problem that they needed to guard the inner city with war efforts. Or both.

Because, as seen from the pic above, the place seem to be already abandoned. so whatever made people leave has already happend, and the darkness could also just be what happens when corrupted dark stone structures are left behind. accumulating ”waist” that feeds the darkness plats and dark creatures.

or other theory is that the weather in golden waistland can change. that the moody always cloudy and foggy weather is just for gameplay purposes and the place can sometimes have clear days. I kinda like that the GW would just have permanent moody weather tho. That theory could make the animated show to be much closer to time where the game takes place.

[cold sparrow]

It's definitely implied to have been a civil war of some sort. Unrest within the population of the kingdom.
But what structures have been there once is hard to say at this point, because everything lies in ruins and dust.

(Also, please, it's wasteland, as in waste = unusable material, barren land, not waist as in the part between your hips and chest :'D )

[lethal rock]

Sorry, english isn’t my mother language… I know I have trouble writing things right ^^’ sorry about that.

And I somehow thought that the wasteland name could have been adapted later on. Like not every place keeps it’s name the same forever. But I guess it could also be that the place was kinda unusable from the start.

And for the structures ruins themselves are the toughest material used, so I have always wondered what other things would have been build that didn’t leave any traces..

[nimble ingot]

The language you play the game is in is simply for the player to understand what is going on (names, dialogue, information, etc.)

The game uses emotes for skykids to express themselves. Jenova mentioned in an interview he wanted players to be able use that to communicate with others without necessarily needing to know a comkon language.

[nimble ingot]

Tents may be something that can degrade faster than a stone building.

It is usually what ancestor spirits add back in when we help restore them.

[sharp lichen]

The switch trailer said “centuries ago”, and then showed the beginning of the kingdom.

So we know that the absolute longest it could take is 100-900 years.

However, what’s far more convoluted is the time period between the beginning period of the kingdom and the Shattering

[sharp lichen]

In the VentureBeat article, they said that there will be no dialogue, but there will be narration

[sharp lichen]

I think the Skykid’s “fighting style” that they have now is more than enough. They use agility, magic, and the powers of the light

[charred willow]

Teest

[sharp lichen]

Failed

[compact shale]

Imagine if it was David Attenborough narration

"Here we see the juvenile light manatee in its natural habitat."

(Eden explodes in the background)

"For the first time in its life it is facing an adverse situation."

[lavish wind]

Imagine this, but with various skykids of varyin experiences. (Moths and Veterans etc)

[steel violet]

That.....just happened to me 2 months ago when I was reliving the fourth quest. I'm lucky I wasn't spotted or I'm screwed

[queen pike]

same, I want a spear to throw at krill/dark creatures as well. that, or more krill repellent.

[queen pike]

wait, what if someone did a david attenborough style odcumentary on a sky kid?

[plush cave]

Hi Lorechat!

Friend and me were talking about the changes to the Eden castle in orbit (in 2021). Does anyone have more information on that lore-wise? Was there anything in the story that changed? Did a change in the intro prompt that?

[lavish wind]

Changes?

[plush cave]

Yes! Referencing these from Karik

[lavish wind]

hm... i think it was jus cosmetic changes

no lore reasons, iirc

[nimble ingot]

I'd say it is the devs refining on the idea of a floating castle in the Sky.

There is another older version of the castle, I believe.
Sadly don't have the screenshot of that.
Trookay is on the right track, these updates seem to improve on the visuals of the castle.

[sharp lichen]

I feel like I remember this from a random part of my memory, lol

But it was probably to look more cleaner and symmetrical

[plush cave]

Oooo thanks y’all!

[arctic sphinx]

The castle looks different from what i know looks more detailed than now

[nimble ingot]

You likely would Baud, lol.

The castle changed 2-3 times since you joined in season of prophecy.

[peak fulcrum]

Someone please explain what the heck happened in eden- I replayed it again and I get the “oh you die and are reborn” thing but the stuff that happened in the scenes after your death and before you reappear on the home island,

Also why do you need to die and get reborn?

[tribal otter]

Basically you get stuck in what I call "the memory void" as it is the same place in the shattering memories and other seasonal quests. You meet a small, golden child, similar to winged light (who I believe is the soul and memory of Resh/Alef). They seem to have lost hope, being trapped in the void for so long. Upon hugging them, they provide you passage out of the void and into Resh's palace, which has been taken back by storm and creatures of Light. The creatures guide you toward Orbit.

You find yourself in the folds of the MB (Megabird or Mother Bird), a celestial being which allows cycles of rebirth to Sky kids and possibly ancestors and light creatures (however, upon freeing spirits, they take their place in the sanctuary of Orbit). You are given another chance back home.

The reason for your death is to free the fallen-- the stone children of Eden. By providing them winged light, they are able to free themselves from their shells and their soul is granted passage to Orbit. However, because of your interaction with the golden skid you are also allowed freedom.

[lucid bridge]

You can get krill repellent spells for 3 ascended candles from the boat merchant as Home or for 1 ascended candle from the gift crab at the Shrieking Crab

[drifting cipher]

I've asked this some time ago but were krills animals or machines something about them seemed unnatural, mechanical and artificial

If they were machines what was their purpose

[lucid bridge]

Krills are mantas who’ve been corrupted by darkness

[drifting cipher]

You mean whales

Also why is it called a whale it literally looks like an arowana

[charred grove]

I saw Staffs that I suppose used to gather light in Hermit valley
If you know any info please tell me 😭

It is also very big compared to normal size of the staff which is a bit similar to the firework staff

And there are also axes which also are very big :3

[hushed steeple]

They do seam to be quite similar to the ones in Priery
Its posible that the Hermit was going his own light farming at his keep, along with other things

[charred grove]

The ancestor has 1 winglight right?
Remember when we go to Eden the first time? The place after orbit (I forgot the name) there were no spirit to give you winglight, but as you fall down from the skies back to home, you'll see that you have 1 wl, it means something or someone gifted it to every Skykid that has entered Eden since when we enter sky the first time, we were capeless, we were born from the stars, we were new beings

[cold sparrow]

Krills are a product of corruption, but what exactly they once we don't know for sure

[charred grove]

In one of Auroras songs ( both in quest and in concert )it occured it wasteland, there was "War" between our ancestors and light creatures, I suppose they use light creatures as "energy" for darkstones technology like the ones in each realm. In another Aurora quest and Concert, in Aurora quest the Light creature which specifically is an adult manta, is used in races and in concert is can be seen being captured by our ancestors using nets and encaging them.

What did those poor light creatures do to them they did nothing wrong 😭

[nimble ingot]

Lol what if the ancestors ascend and return with 1 wl.
Implying that they not only went to eden, but came back similar to the skykids.

This may mean capeless ancestors did not go to eden, nor were blessed by elders with winged light.

[nimble ingot]

Yeti might have been a lumberjack at one point.
If not an axe juggler.

(these are just headcanons, sadly)

[drowsy pilot]

Any lores about the Aurora Concert and its relation to sky?

[charred grove]

It seems...
Someone big or tall continued the legacy of catching lights...
But the question is who?

[charred grove]

Here is mine @drowsy pilot

[cold sparrow]

It appears that the shown conflict is actually between two factions of ancestors, though one side may be using mantas as sort of warhorses.
But the conflict likely happened over disagreement of how light creatures are treated and how the technology affects their environment

[cold sparrow]

The concert itself gives us lot of insight into the world and history of the world of sky, hinting at exploitation of nature, capturing mantas for entertainment, and that there was a violent conflict between ancestors.

How canon the concert itself is is heavily debated and everyone has their own take and interpretation.
I like to imagine that each scene is a sort of dream, induced by the magic of the lights that Aurora is given before each major song.
Aurora's role is also up for interpretation. Some consider her an aspect of The Light itself, that has come down to tell the Skykids about the world and the memories of many light creatures that have lived through it. Though I don't think she is the Light as a whole, at best a fragment. She is primarily a storyteller and voice for the stories of others.
Some just consider her outside of canon, as she is based on a real person, and that's also valid.

[drowsy pilot]

Oh wow, I like reading them all.

[charred grove]

When we first come to Eden, the very first part with the huge door, when you look at the very top, it there's a symbol which I suppose is similar too valley or vault

Then at the very top of the first part of Eden, which I call a "Broken Temple" (cus it looks like it) it is visible that there are wasteland shields, meaning something was guarding it, then a pic of The castle of Eden :3

@cold sparrow
Yes, it is true that wasteland treats mantas as mitochondria and the valley treat mantas as an object for sport. But it is still light creature abuse, but I'm happy enough that valley doesn't use mantas as mitochondria and not take the light out of them 🙂

Sorry for talking about mitochondria

[cold sparrow]

Valley of Triumph not only used light creatures for entertainment
They heavily rely on darkstone technology to power their daily comforts. Most people there likely have never been directly involved in the light harvest process, but they are likely the ones that drew up the demand so much that the Kingdom thought exploitation like that was necessary

[charred grove]

I haven't seen any darkstone tech in vall-
The boats in season of dreams that go to colloseum and hermit valley
Oh...
Thanks for the info btw!

[cold sparrow]

Floating boats, floating buildings, etc.

[hushed steeple]

That is quite true.
Although there probably should be a destinction between

-"Valley" the kingdom proper
-"Valley" the region

What you said 100% apply to the Valley of Triumph realm, but beyond the city's there were likely village and remote regions where ancesters still did there own light harvesting, insted of relieing on the global trade for it.

The Hermit was probably one of those ancesters. He probably did his own wood cutting and crafting, which would explain the axes too.

[hushed steeple]

Oh its not just the boats and the lifts

Dark stone technology is all over the place if you know where to look

[cold sparrow]

Oh for sure. I want to make a clear distinction that I don't blame any individual ancestors for using darkstone (if they do at all), no more than I blame any human for owning a TV or eating chocolate. There were systemic and industrial issues in the Sky kingdom, and some people benefitted more from these than others, but very few actively chose to do such harm, consciously and intentionally.

[charred grove]

So valley does use darkstone 😭
So sad...

[hushed steeple]

Honestly I dont really think the use of darkstones in and of itself was ever an issue.
In its original form, darkstone production was fearly manegable, not requireing light creature sacrefice or overtaxing the enviromant and its resorces....

The problem is that the sociaty got way too comfortable and used to overuseing it and constantly expanding

[cold sparrow]

For sure. Just like burning wood to keep warm is not an issue, but digging up landscapes to harvest coal to power a whole industry is.

[faint pawn]

Industrial revolution and it's consequences on the kingdom

[hushed steeple]

Again, it did not have to go that way even with the descovery of darkstone

It is ultimetly the ancesters all to "human" weekness and lack of wisdome in useing it that lead to there distruction

[ionic delta]

Sup everyone it's my first time getting into sky lore so i want to discuss about this cannon-alike, thing what do you guys think is this?

[faint pawn]

Doesn't that look similar to resh or whoever?

[cold sparrow]

the original concept art actually did show the wasteland using turrets
even if those aren't in the gameplay yet, the design likely survived

[ionic delta]

Yes yes

[cold sparrow]

100%, that was the design inspiration, ingame and out-of-game

[ionic delta]

Ohh So that thing is really shooting, Is it shooting a energy/light? Or there is no information about it?

[cold sparrow]

all we know comes from pre-release concept art
a lot of these ideas were scapped for one reason or another, so we don't 100% know what these structures were meant to do in canon, but they seem to have been intended to be some sort of laser-style turrets

[faint pawn]

Dusk turret... It probably drained your light when you were in it's sight

[ionic delta]

Oh god the amount power they need and realese, we are going to be dead, ngl thank you for sharing this

[faint pawn]

Or maybe it functioned like the krill - scanning the area and locking on before completely obliterating you

[cold sparrow]

Draining the light sounds very fitting honestly
They were 100% replaced by krill in gameplay, as krill being mobile creatures offer more gameplay options - and they probably wanted to reduce how explicit they make the cruelty and warmongering of the ancient Sky kingdom

[ionic delta]

The fact that there is a concept where we can summon a warrior to hold dark creatures is awesome

[native galleon]

it also fits with how in development, they changed the concept of the elders from essentially villains to anti-heroes, and made the backstory of the kingdom more tragic. Instead of the old kingdom itself attacking you, it’s the creatures that are byproducts of their actions

[lethal rock]

i can’t even describe how cool these cosept pics are. I’m kinda sad that we didn’t get to see the busy and luxurious city ruins. Do any of you think if there any chance that TGC would add an old city district into golden wasteland?

[native galleon]

please god i want to see that so bad. just one place where the ruins are a little bit more intact so we can see what it was like Please

[cold sparrow]

Maybe one day. Would make for a cool wasteland-set season

[lethal rock]

to whom i need to beg on my knees to get this into the writing room 😭

[cold sparrow]

lmao
to the #wishlist-and-ideas-archived channel probably

[native galleon]

I want to get an idea of what it looked like when it was more alive, to see how the ancestors there lived and how the landscape has changed. TTE please come thru

[lethal rock]

can just nobodies write there? 😳

[cold sparrow]

that channel is for any and all players to voice their wishes for features not in game yet
(feedback on features already in game should go into #live-feedback )

[lethal rock]

if the city ruins become a thing i wonder what type of season would go with it..

imma need to get to work to see if i can come up with something.

[faint pawn]

Season of ruin?

[lethal rock]

yes yes yes~~~ i can work with that~

[hushed steeple]

I think that we should get the opertunity to see that with the animation.
So for us to get such a season in game, it would probably happen after or around the release schedual

As for in universe.....
I think the only way it would be possible for such a place to exist in Waistland is if it was somehow sealed off from the rest of the world, kinda like Voult
eather as a dome, or a city build within a mountain or cliff

[lethal rock]

Yeah, Im like 99% sure we’ll get to see at least somewhat intact architecture with the show!

I was thinking of if part of the city that would have been on the surface of GW would have maybe fallen into the earth. Not filled with water like some fallen places but just maybe the shattering would have created a sinkhole where the structures could have been saved from the corrosion from the elements.

Or, at least in my opinion there could be parts of city still in somewhat recognizable condition. Even if it would have stayed at surface level.

What I’m brainstorming rn is a district that player could temporarely ”fix” making it possible for us as players see a glimpse of what could have been.

or rather the city to be sunken maybe it just was build underneath the surface level like you said with the vault.

[hushed steeple]

interesting sugestions🤔
And the "Fix" part is something I do hope to see more from seasons

Although creating a sinkhole that could swollow up a part of the city that was once on solid firm ground would more then likely require tectonic forces that would wreck the city anyway😅
And thats not even getting into the mater of the war, which at some point deffinetly involved sky megafauna fighting against the kingdom, so thats gonna couse a whole lot of damage even not counting the regular war afterwords

[hushed steeple]

Oh, sorry. Didnt see you wrote more. My bad😅
Yeah, that would be an exalant idea. Kind of a subteranian city or facility that would weather the storm (boath figuratively and litteraly😅 )
Honestly, any area sooficiantly isolated and sealed of from the devestation in Waistland would do.

[lethal rock]

What I mean by ”fixing” is the same thing we do in hidden forrest. with the bell towers and fallen bridges and such. But in bigger scale. And I know that it would need a somewhat bigger dark stone to make it happen but

[hushed steeple]

And then there's my favourite option that TGS probably wont ever do😅

Go full Atlantis

Admit it, you're already imagine a sky season with such a premiss😏

[lethal rock]

i mean we have flying stone boats. I think having a city sink slower rate than just crashing into itself isn’t too far fethced lol

[lethal rock]

the more people i can talk into my little obsession the better chanses it to taken even into considuration by TGC

[cold sparrow]

Well, we already have the season of abyss that it partially underwater

[lethal rock]

oh yeah

[hushed steeple]

I wasnt really talking about underwater
I was more talking about useing Crystal power to shild a part of a city from disaster, at the cost of basicly becoming intumed there

[lethal rock]

yeh i got that. damn, i really need to make something out of this world to get this little idea off the ground.

[hushed steeple]

Hope you make it one day☺️

[lethal rock]

thanks dude for feeding my delusion lol

[hushed steeple]

Also, speaking of Atlantis, its very obviace from very early concept art that they have seen that movie and taken inspiration from it

I am so sad they droped this concept entirely all the way back in early concept art phase😭

[lethal rock]

something about flying stone builds speaks to many i guess :’D

[hushed steeple]

🤣

[nimble ingot]

[compact shale]

My hunch is that at least one of them was supposed to be Sky's equivalent of MRT/subway trains

Which I really need in this world please

Train atmosphere is like no other

[cold sparrow]

yeah they look like transport vehicles, and were probably replaced in favor of the more open boats

[faint pawn]

I can understand why, it's way easier to land on a boat

[cold sparrow]

and easier to get out
these things would probably have required trapping the skykids in a spot, like when you sit on a bench, and wait for a cutscene to finish
the boat lifts allow for much more freedom of movement

[lethal rock]

yeah, i have a feeling boats that you can just stand or sit is much more versatile and easier to use as a player.

[sharp lichen]

That symbol actually appears in the Isle temple as well, make of that what you will

[sharp lichen]

That’s cool, I made a sports betting season

Season of Liars my beloved

[nimble ingot]

I hope there may be a time we may see these strange flying stone fish in Sky.
Not just because they give serious Atlantis (the film) vibes. But it may give insight to what could have been the final age of the ancestors.

Where light creatures may have gotten so scarce following the war, they had to create creatures to stand-in for the work, if not just for the show.

I can see how these fish creatures would be amazing to see in the citadels in Valley, advertising cosmetics and even flying banners.
In some of the concept art, we even see flying creatures that may be 'mechanical' creations (for lack of a better term).

see above images for few examples in addition to the ones Viksa has shown: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

For the valley race, the colours used are intentional. The darker flying creatures differ from the lighter ones at the bottem left of the image. Which implies they are made of stone.

[lethal rock]

I see that in a lot of these concept arts, the kings presence is much more prevalent. Did they scrap the whole idea of the king that is shown in these? I mean is any of this canon, or did they approach this in a different way? I remember something in the cave of prophecies but can't recall exactly what.

[nimble ingot]

As far as I have looked up, The King's presence seemed to be in the works for a while during development in Light Awaits.
Namely, A King statue (with the starry head design included) was seen in Dawn before it went through drastic changes.
Leading up to development of Eden, the realm had seen a lot of changes that differed from the concept art, especially the ending sequence.

While concept art are not concrete evidence, they do give a rough guideline to what the game was considered to be like leading up to the final product in the update. Meaning that there may be a lot of changes to the idea with the art, and the final result.

I believe the King's role was changed when it came to the final release of the game. As it was somewhere stated here (in teh lore chat) that the King "cannot be saved anymore". Which is a reference hinted in the concept art for skykids saving the King/Sky Prince (not to be confused for the Little Prince).
Where in the live game, this changed to the shattering diamond.

So... The king could either be gone (dead, or corrupted beyond recognition), and/or trapped in a space we cannot save them yet.
Similar to the lesson in the Prophecy trails, us skykids may not be strong enough to complete/attempt the trial just yet.

I don't think the King is truly scrapped from the game.
Because we do have a handful of subtle hints that they still exist in the game (be it past, present, or future).
Again, as stated by devs in the lore chat, just not in a form we may expect. (will get that source in a moment)

[pastel brook]

[nimble ingot]

I keep forgetting this, but sadly, this quote was apparantly from a live stream somewhere in November 2019.
The closest I have to this is from this user: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

Seeing sevrals users from that time have made this claim, it is very likely to be true. It is a shame this live stream is not retrievable (at least as far as I looked).

[dreamy saddle]

OH LORD i just saw the GIANT DARKNESS PLANT in the village which i knew existed but i only just now managed to find the darn thing and WOW its so big holy moly

😅😭

[rugged jackal]

Random thought: What if the Aviary is located on the other side of the Eden mountain than the other realms?
It’s clearly close enough to the Eden mountain that it shows up ominously in the distance, and yet far enough from the other realms that it requires it’s own realm gate to get to, has its own set of realm gates, and isn’t reachable from the other realms (at least, not yet). So maybe, if the other realms are located south (for example) of the mountain going farther from Vault to Isle, then the Aviary is located north of the mountain, about the same distance from it as Isle so it avoids shard eruptions and grows dark plants.

[forest hornet]

I desire theories on the wing light and what they are/origins

[cold sparrow]

I believe they are also called Memories ingame? (citation needed, that's just something I vaguely remember being mentioned somewhere)
There's plenty of theories to what they are...
Just spots where a lot of skykids have passed through and left an imprint... Fallen skykids.... Fragments of the the Chosen One/the King...

[sharp lichen]

The name “king” was more prevalent in concept art, but the evidence of an Eden Elder-like figure has always existed in live

[sharp lichen]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

I linked it because it’s quite long

[ionic delta]

For some reason "the king" or "the wing light" figure remind me of this mural in trial

Also there are 8 elders here

[whole ice]

8 elders, meaning that maybe the elders actually created the winged light artificially?
But i also see the little people in the first mural worshipping the winged light, maybe winged light is similar to sky kids
Sky kids are (probably) made of light and are called a “star” in isle of dawn
We fell down literally to a small island, skykids came from another planet?
Winged light is found in different places and made of light too
There was a theory from another person, Winged light is the fiery spirit of dead skykids up in eden
We see dead skykids in eden (literally turned into stone) and once we give them the winged light or help them, they probably turn into winged light themselves and try to help us
this is a hint on the origin of the king, or maybe winged light

[cold sparrow]

with 8 elders, do you mean the figures under the person with the spear...?
I don't think those are elders. they look more like the turrets of the wasteland. or those might represent the troops of the sky kingdom
the figure above, holding the spear, is most likely supposed to represent the wasteland elder
like the figure on the other side, holding the green light, is supposed to represent prairie elder standing over their jars

that's also where you find the respective colored lights flying around - green light in prairie, red light in wasteland

[ionic delta]

Yes but The more i see they more resemble as the elders

[hushed steeple]

The person with the spear is the Waistland elder, and the thing bellow him are the waistland statues and torrents

The 8 elders thing is more a remnent of an older version, when the king was technicly counted with the other 7 elders
(Remember Valley had twin elders)

[night shoal]

I know u mean some kind actual mechanical choo-choo sorta thing, which would be super cute, but we do alr functionally have a train (monorail) station in the form of the fully restored wind paths
In the sense that it is a place u go, n u go into tubes (the zoomzoom tunnel) that transport u to places, n u make ur stop n get off where u like uwub

[nimble ingot]

8 elders?

I know that Orbit is sometimes considered to be the 8th realm, which would make Megabird technically an elder.

The twins count as 1 in this case, as they rule as one. And their earlier versions were a single elder called a priestess (which has changed and does not count. But think it is interesting to point out).

[compact shale]

Okay you have a VERY good point , but the vibes aren't the saaaaame /lh

[hushed steeple]

No, you dont understand😅

The "8 elders" thing commes from this official interview, where it discusses the change in the lore of sky and the role of the Elders in it

[nimble ingot]

This sound slike an old theory.
When was this interview?

[hushed steeple]

It says you "meet" 8 elders, so Valley in this case is 2

[hushed steeple]

you should ask @native galleon . There the one who posted this

[hushed steeple]

Not really
The "wing light" is actually the "Prince", who would become king

specificly it is refearing to this character right here, who fell from the sky many eons ago

[sharp lichen]

Well, you find orange light in Forest, so I think the opening murals in the entry to the Cave of Prophecies better explain where they originate

The mural with the elders show how they were used artificially

[native galleon]

wha

@hushed steeple who were you referring to

[hushed steeple]

Sorry, I wanted to create a link for @nimble ingot , so he can find the original post and discussion😅

[native galleon]

oh ok

the interview was from variety in 2019, around the time of the game’s release. it’s an actual tgc dev saying this tho, not just a theory

and i assumed the 8 refers to the 7+eden

[hushed steeple]

I fully agree.
Thats why I told @nimble ingot that they should ask you about it, as I didnt know all the detales

[native galleon]

obviously you don’t “meet” all 8 of them tho, we know that now

[cold sparrow]

mind you, that interview also seems to describe the original concept of the story, in which elders acted as the antagonists
a lot of that has since changed

[native galleon]

yeah ik, they literally describe how they changed the concept for the final version

the tragic anti-hero bit, which is what I originally meant to point out, seems to still be consistent with current canon tho

Viksa getting beaned ????

what is happening rn

[hushed steeple]

No, just keep sending the wrong image
Wanna crop out the sky kid and ancesters to not couse confussion.....
And I send the wrong pic again didnt I😅

4th times the charm

[hushed steeple]

Absolutly
We can even see it very clearly in this old and super old concept
7 + Prince/King make 8

[nimble ingot]

It may, though the elders sepcifically have been updated for a long time.
Their cutscenes and interactions have remained practically unchanged since the international release.

Thie lore from Light Awaits were very different compared to the current lore.

Most notably with the King, Sky Prince and Megabird mostly absent.
While we do have reason to believe megabird is present in some way. the King's own presence is very obscure.
We do have evidence that there was a King. But not where they are and what happened to them exactly.

The closest we got is the shattering event. But not what lead up to it and what happened after. Other than the elders have Fallen (proven in the game's tutorial text).

The twins count as one elder of the realm, ss far as I understood things.
And in a different interview, it was mentioned that orbit would be considered to be the 8th realm, following Eden.

[hushed steeple]

well we were supoast to originally

[hushed steeple]

Well no
The interview mentions the whole 8 elders thing as what "Was" the sky lore, before they changed the lore from the elders being Villins to anti-heroes
If it was in 2019, than that change whould have already been made and inplimanted in Light Awates, so this thing is still totaly legit

[native galleon]

at the end of the day, i don’t know that the reference to 8 elders is all that deep. the king/eden elder is gone but existed at one point, and valley can either be considered one or two. also the story has changed over time, but the 8 are still accounted for in one way or another. thats how i see it

[hushed steeple]

Think people are more focusing on the number and less on the context of the interview
This is where the confusion comes from😅

[native galleon]

Yeah fr

[nimble ingot]

As Light Awaits lore, yes.
That was the old lore the game was based on (keyword being it is past tense).

The lore in the game today is different.
We dont know much the lore changed exactly. But we can work that out with seeing where the lore is heading now.

For example, the game was supposed to have a "boss fight" style sequence with the King fighting a massive dark creature in eden.
However, the game currently does not have that. It instead has a shattered darkstone diamond.

[hushed steeple]

I think we are boath talking about the exact same thing here😅
The "Legit" part is about the evolution of the story and thhe changing direction of the Elders funtion in it over time
That's the point of the post
Nobudy doubts that something from 2019 is not gonna be 100% reflective of the game today, but it does show the evolution of the idea in that period

[nimble ingot]

Ah I see.

I thought you meant it was legit as in the game today is like that.

I apologise if I was being rude with arguing.
What I wanted to point out was the lore changed a lot, and the old lore is interesting to look into. Seeing where and how the story has changed over time.

And with the 8 elders. I was pointing out that each elder(s) of their realms count as one.
Which would be the 6 with their elders that we have seen. Plus Eden without its King/Sky Prince (again, counting as one).
Which leaves Orbit presumably being the 8th realm with Megabird as the 'elder' of that realm.

[cold sparrow]

btw, do you know where one can find these concept arts? they're not tom zhao arts, as far as I can see

[hushed steeple]

I perfectly understand, and you dont have to apologise☺️

Though this does highlight what I was talking about "Context" and hyperfixating on detales while ignoring the larger picture😅
I dont mean this as an atack on you, just good advice in general

[hushed steeple]

I mean.....I did post an entire like to my concept art colection, gathered from Tom Zhao, 7 Days of sky and all other official sorces I could find
All gathered in category's

[cold sparrow]

where?

[hushed steeple]

Why hasnt anybody pinned this already😅😅😅

https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1U9lRjFAhTiDb6O-7GTuWcAdEepN5GkgF

[hushed steeple]

Although admitatly, I really should RE-organise this a bit better😅
But Im always to lazy to do so

[crystal perch]

What of we know the elder of eden

[cold sparrow]

Very little, besides some images and impressions. The rest is theories, a large part of them informed by concept art with dubious canonicity.

[hushed steeple]

In the OLD version of the story, the Edan Elder was the King. The whole region was the capital of the old kingdom
With the story of the king being so drasticly changed, all referances to the Edan elder in old concept art and interviews should be taken with a grain of salt
Until the animation finally releals the NEW version of the king story, all that Edan elder information is in Limbo now

[cold sparrow]

But I've just had some thoughts and ideas after seeing these images, and am actually typing them up right now.

[hushed steeple]

can you open the Doc file?

[cold sparrow]

which one

[hushed steeple]

this one

[cold sparrow]

the drive file? yea

Seeing these images just gave me some thoughts...
What if the King didn't order the Eden diamond to be created.... but was tasked to fuel it?
The first skykid lands amongs the ancestors, and it is brimming with light. With a step light as a feather, and so bright that no shadows can extinguish it... So bright, that they draw other lights to them, like creatures of the light would otherwise flock to golden bells, or to the summit of Eden.
They think, they hope, it is a gift sent to them from the Light to help them. To lead them to prosperity. To release them from the need to hunt light animals for their resources. To save them from the collapse of their society as their resources are dwindling.
The 'King', the Chosen One, was never meant to be a ruler of the kingdom, but was raised up on a predestral like some holy figure, a savior, honored, revered, but also so much expectation and pressure put on them.

Why do they wear a mask? Is it because they're so bright, and they try not to blind the people around them? Is the mask itself a darkstone device, used to siphon light from them into the diamond? Or is it to hide their fading light, to not concern the population? All these people looking up to them, praying to them?

How long could they do this, until the task became too burdensome? To draining? And when they were only, possibly quite literally, a shadow of themselves, they decided that enough is enough, and tried to destroy the Eden crystal. Knowing very well that the energy that would be released from that would throw everything out of balance. That the burst would destroy Eden, and plunge the kingdom into an eternal darkness. Knowing very well that it might shatter all the pieces of themselves that have been siphoned into the diamond, trapped in there, all over the place.

[crystal perch]

That is so cool but i dont get why the cristal must be charged is it in the sore?

[cold sparrow]

We know very little about the Eden crystal, aside from the fact that it is now the epicenter of the storm in the Eye of Eden
But we see diamonds all over the Sky kingdom - inlaid into structures like gates or boat lifts, where they must be charged with light (our skykids light) before they can function. Even in the Aviary Village, we see a fireplace that powers a line of diamonds to open a door.
We also see hints in murals - especially in the Abyss area - where we see Ancestors that created such diamonds from light creatures (mantas of varying size).
These diamonds have been used as a sort of battery or fuel container throughout the kingdom, and it's reasonable to assume the Eden diamond may have had a similar purpose.

[hushed steeple]

Wow, this is a fascinating theory👀
Although I dont quite think it all tracks

When the Dev's talk about the king in there interview, they say "One of them seeks power to change the world, but in the process he's corupted and destroyed"
I dont belive the king is inocent in any of this, and is indeed one of the main instagators of the downfall
He might have been convinced by the Elders to go on this path, but it was his decisions in the end that lead him to the tragic end

[crystal perch]

Why not ?

[cold sparrow]

Then perhaps, the Chosen One thinking they can change the ways of the Ancestors, volunteering themselves as a source of energy, until they cannot handle it anymore?

[native galleon]

I love interpretations like this, it reminds me of this post (spoiler bc its dark)

Except in this case I think it could be both. Chosen one as in the prophecy foretold and lamb to the slaughter

[cold sparrow]

yessss that's my idea

[hushed steeple]

There is still the whole mater of the "coruption"

Besides, its the other ember that is on a path to find salvation

"The other one tries to save the world by convincing the old to give up its power"

[native galleon]

were you thinking of the same thing?

[cold sparrow]

I mean, a being of light being drained of its light would surely corrupt them over time, would it not?

When crabs and krill take our winged light, when we wander through the storm of eden, even our skykids are left with nothing but a crust of darkness clinging to our bodies.
Hungry to absorb any nearby light that refills us again.

[hushed steeple]

I dont know. With the wording of the interview about the 2 embers, it feels that there these two characters are gonna contrast each other, a dark path and a light path per say.
Though it is still curtain that the king had all the best intentions at first....well....so did many tyrants as well

[native galleon]

i saw that post and immediately went “alef?”

[sharp lichen]

It makes me wonder if Aviary is going to be mentioned at all in the Two Embers

[hushed steeple]

I would be sereosly dissapointed if they dont😅
Or not🤔

[cold sparrow]

Kinda doubt it, it looks like development on Two Embers started long before they decided to bring back the Aviary in some sort of seasonal area
But we might see some similar villages...

[crystal perch]

Sorry guys i cant follow what is the 2 ember thing???

[sharp lichen]

https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/Sky:_The_Two_Embers

[crystal perch]

Thank you

[sharp lichen]

But with the development time being unknown, and with Hopeful Steward (and many other things) connecting the game with the show, I have a strong feeling it could be used as a plot point

[hushed steeple]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KevTXLvpmVI&list=PLDeLoupOKjq8AllZe8t2Mr9_14OxdMSEd&index=2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxHFy9503N4&list=PLDeLoupOKjq8AllZe8t2Mr9_14OxdMSEd&index=3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeOzyoz6vj8&list=PLDeLoupOKjq8AllZe8t2Mr9_14OxdMSEd&index=4

here is all the interview bits about the show in one place

[crystal perch]

Thank you

[lethal rock]

are elders, like alive? or are they more close to the regular spirits player meet?

[hushed steeple]

More the secund one
There not exactly the same as the spirits, but there not really flash and blood (or charcole and light core😅 ) as we are

Its quite possible that there phisical body's were destroyed by the first shatering event, so they are all incorporial now.
But as Elders they probably have a far greater influance in this world as spirits

[sharp lichen]

I’m pretty sure some dev said they existed in a world beyond time and space

So it’s possible the elder cutscene areas are a pocket dimension

[hushed steeple]

That or another leyar of reality

[lethal rock]

ooh alright I somehow had a thought that their bodies are like gone but because of the altars, that they would be kinda stuck in there alive but just confined.

[hushed steeple]

The alters could be the place where the conection with there spirits are the strongest, so its where you can meet them

[hushed steeple]

It seams that they were there when the Edan diamond went nuclear, so there phisical body's are dust now. The shrines are likely there anchore in the phisical world, where you are able to call apon them, and otherwise there souls are in orbit and the spiritual world ( or a world beyond space and time as @sharp lichen said)

[lucid bridge]

Theory: most of the plants we see are dark creatures because they absorb light (photosynthesis) and do not participate in the light life cycle

I also have a theory that the definition of “species” in Sky is different than in our world, as light creatures don’t seem to reproduce the way we do, so you can’t really define a species as “types of organism that can produce viable offspring”. Also, I have a headcanon that one type of light creature can turn into another. I think a butterfly can become a bird or a manta if they gather enough light.

This also ties into my theory that once a manta becomes big enough, there is a fork in the life cycle, where they can become the marine elder manta or the airborne arowana . Of course, an arowana may also be an older version of an elder manta, or unrelated to the manta life cycle entirely.

[lethal rock]

I think about this too. But somehow I kinda wish that all of the light creatures would be their own species. Like in the real world we can have living creatures that even tho seem to do the same thing, were it bigger / smaller scale are still their own thing.

This made me think. What type of ecosystem sky has? Sky kids can eat and drink but is it just gameplay thing that they don't eat / drink regularly or do they not need it order to survive? And this question goes as well to the other light beings.

[dire agate]

I think that might be what the idea is- the stream of birds and the mantas and whatnot are all going to Orbit, where they get recycled into new light creatures and make the journey again

[lucid bridge]

My interpretation - the ancestors were dark creatures. Their bodies were made out of stone. They worshipped the light but could not create it. The elders were light creatures. They are stars fallen from the sky. The king is, I believe, either a light creature like the elders or a mixture of light and dark like the sky kids. So when the ancestors ate food it was like when a krill eats a manta - they absorb the light life essence but a corpse (physical food) is also left behind. It doesn’t make a lot of sense. I need to think more about it, but that’s my theory re: food so far.

[tulip condor]

i kinda have a question but idk if it rlly suits the questions channel..

what do the spirits/ppl in hidden forest even do? cuz i know yhe prairie spirits built bells to call the light creatures to yk catch light and tge valley ppl compete in sports and arts but like,, hidden forest?? no idea

[nimble ingot]

Forest is a bit industrial with mining and lumber. But there is also a spirit that hunt, one that is a porter so there is transport, and lastly, the temple has what seems to be a machine that refines light from captured light in Day, and darkstone ore into the diamonds we see used to power other crestions like boats, doors, and float buildings/structures.

[tulip condor]

thhabnk makes sense thank you vry grateful

[proven thorn]

Hola

[edgy kernel]

I kinda noticed as you progress in the realms, as it gets later in the daytime, their kinda ways and technology also progress too.

There is very little in isle of dawn, but some structures and caves with the paintings/murals ( and then the temple at the end ) and the campfire
Prairie has a couple boats, and theyre learning about the light creatures ( butterfly tamer was the name of the spirit i think? ) you ride a manta up to the temple, too.

Then in forest things get wilder and like mentioned above theyve got lumberjacks, mining, and the elder seems like some kind of smith who is even kinda trying to fix a crystal somethin when we meet em, maybe they used to make them a lot? We also reassemble a bunch of bridges on the way to the temple, heh.

valley theyve got that whole flying boat ski lift kinda thing going on, so theyve definitely started to get better ( and the constructions are way grander )

in wasteland the boats seem capable of flying on their own without any guidance towers, and there are even way larger ones.

in vault theres the whole big floating platform elevator, huge doors for some reason, and the place is covered in these things it seems they used to record memories or just knowledge in general

A few holes in that in seasonal areas since i think prairie has a flying boat with the last season, and im probably forgetting a few things

Oh yeah i guess just about everything in vault past the first floors is floating, so theyve definitely figured that out really well. Makes me wonder if the castle atop eden was always floating above like that, just kinda shows a total mastery over that part

Oh well heres one thought to go with all that, maybe a lot of their experiments and harvesting of light creatures was to have their ability to fly/float in the air. Starts out pretty simple with just catching butterflies in the jars ( we can be carried up by em! )
and by the end, they have whole huge castles floating upwards into the sky.
I cant quite remember since its been a long time, but it feels like maybe a lot of their motivation might have been to try and return to the stars by literally floating upwards, and maybe the eden crystal was meant to just lift everyone, or the whole planet somethin crazy like that

[rapid latch]

I guess the elders have their own pocket dimensions like how raiden from genshin has her plane of euthymia

[lyric imp]

Consider:

• butterflies fly out whenever you burn darkness plants
• many of them grow around bones
• some grow in simply dark places or around darkstone pollution
• they trap mantas and can trap ancestors
• there is not a single darkness plant in eden
• but there are plants around shards

[livid pelican]

They also trapped spirits if Tearful Miner was something to go by

[lyric imp]

Imo eden has been at least partially about the ascent into orbit and the connection with the spiritual world

[inland cliff]

there's 3 interpretation for the ancestors:
1.They're creature of darkness but follow the lights guidance like you said

2. They're human who used to live on the surface but founded the falling stars and used them to built boats to give back the lights to the above and reach the could level, where the elders nurtured them and make them the sky people, accidentally created a Sky kingdom

3. They're already light creatures as the game said: "All were born from the light"

[lucid bridge]

You could interpret “All were born from the light” as “light gives everything life” as even dark creatures rely on light in order to sustain themselves (they eat it)

[lucid bridge]

Also I just noticed that there are different types of krills on the world map

[sharp lichen]

The one in Treasure Reef is the leviathan

[quick zodiac]

been trying to figure out the spike thing in the elders memory. i thought it was like piercing the crystal but i could interpret it two ways. it could be falling, or it could be an existing fixture. i got enough WL to get higher up than i did before and the top of it reminds me of the very spiky depictions of the crown

oh weird. maybe im looking too much into that. the pointy bit is not solid at all. its just like a streak of darkness. the mask is solid

[cold sparrow]

The thing on the very top, above the crystal? That is very most likely referencing the 'King's mask
I know that some of the better images and screenshots managed to show the similarities

[quick zodiac]

yeah thats what i am wondering. i havent seen other depictions yet. but thats kind of how im starting to see it

[cold sparrow]

The only other depictions we have of that would be some structures around the Wasteland

[tender rock]

So I attended the AURORA concert earlier and I noticed, the blue rays that was being sent down the gw battle grounds was the same shade as the lights on a krill's eye, and I thought to myself. AURORA, as a god, or something of that sort in the game, punished the gw, seemingly, not just it's land, but it's people and leader. I may have noticed it late yes, sorry

[lethal rock]

Is aurora like canon figure in the sky universe? I have been like half and half if it's kinda meta character, like the office. At least I don't consider theoffice space to be actually linked.

[tender rock]

Hmm, not really sure actually

[lethal rock]

Aurora has a vibe that really fits to the world of sky so maybe I'm just being really biased.

[cold sparrow]

That's a very contentious topic, actually, especially since she is very much based on a real person.

It's definitely for the best to not assume Aurora as THE goddess of Sky - since Sky is implied to not really have a deity figure like that. The closest we have is what was called the 'Megabird' in concept art/development and is now just 'The Light' in live. It's an accumulation of matter, perhaps memories, more like a force of nature than an actual individual.

[pastel brook]

look at it go, look at me dance over the Sky like a krill

[cold sparrow]

Aurora, within the concert, definitely takes on the role of said Light in a couple of scenes - much like an actor takes on a role. Aurora in the concert is primarily a storyteller, a voice.

[lethal rock]

Also is it okey for me to send pics that I made in this chat? I would really want to have opinion of the lore holders if what I have come up fits the world. It's about the golden wasteland concepts.

[cold sparrow]

Many people like to imagine her as a piece of the Light that has come down to the kingdom to tell the tale of the creatures of light and the world. Some do imagine her as a goddess herself. Some just imagine her as a voice given form by the season's spirit. Others don't like to consider her role to be part of canon in any way for the aforementioned reasons.

[lethal rock]

Oh I had the idea that the concert was like in universe concert and all the imagery was like made for that lol. 😂

[cold sparrow]

The scenes we see in the concert, within the songs, are definitely supposed to tell us more about the lore and the canon of the world - from trapped mantas to the conflict that played out in the battlefield. But a lot of it is also represented very abstact (just look at the Inhale Exhale intro), and is shown to us like a sort of animated picture book.

[lethal rock]

here's my thing. I'm not really liking the "light", it's too big and is maybe too close to the eye of eden but i dunno.

[dreamy juniper]

I personally am really uncomfy with the idea of AURORA being seen as some sort of deity or higher power and now my cat is in front of my face so I can;t see if I'm making tupos, sorry

[cold sparrow]

Mind you, early concept art sometimes shows many different ideas the devs were exploring and experimenting with, and may not represent what is canon in the live version of the game.

The Light is refered to ingame at several points, and means the Orbit part of the game. Past Eden, past our Skykid 'dying' and ascending. It's when we leave the Sky kingdom and return to the stars.

[hushed steeple]

Are you uncomfy with seeing "The Light" (Megabird) as a higher power, but not neceseraly a god?

[dreamy juniper]

no, I actually really like the concept of Megabird/The Light, I just mean since AURORA is a real living human/in-game AURORA is a representation of her, who is still human and I just really don't like the idea of putting someone on that kind of pedestal if that makes sense
so it made me really uncomfortable when the spirits/skykid kept bowing to her and stuff like that

[cold sparrow]

yeah, I agree with that

that's why I like her as a sort of stand-in for the Light within the songs/stories she tells
but I don't see her as the Light herself

[dreamy juniper]

yeah definitely! I like that idea too

[hushed steeple]

Its all a mater of perspective
In-universe Aurora and IRL Aurora are compleatly different things

Boath points of view are valid based on how you want to engage with the game

[cold sparrow]

they are different things, but they're also not easy to separate like that

[hushed steeple]

I would argue no
As I said, you have to change your perspective

(wait 5 min and I will explain, kinda busy now)

[cold sparrow]

I mean, if you like to see her in a different way, that is fine
but that doesn't fit my image of the world of Sky
I like our children returning to the Light
thinking of them to returning to AURORA breaks my immersion

[dreamy juniper]

like her voice in-game soundtrack-wise is one thing but when the concept of "AURORA" was introduced to the game/world itself, it just felt a bit weird to me

[cold sparrow]

that is a person, I singer I very much love
but that is something that exists outside of the world of Sky

[hushed steeple]

Your acting as if thats the only way to look at this😅

[hushed steeple]

Here is the thing.
There are 2 ways of looking at this.
-In canon Aurora perspective
-Out of canon Aurora perspective

Boath are eaqually valid, and as I said before, it all depends on how engage with the material

In the out of canon pespective, this is a colab with the real world singer, her songs are used in the game, her likeness is used as a model for the spirit that is the focus of the season

-In the In canon Aurora perspective, Aurora the singer doesnt exist, our universe doesnt exist.
There is only Aurora the being of light, who exist in the universe of sky as a seperate being

(not finished)

In this way of engaging with the game, we leave behind our real world knowlige, our real life perspectivs, and view Aurora and the events "through the eyes of a sky kid"😅
It does require a bit of suspention of disbeleaf, to ignore the references of "humans" in the songs, and also to accept these songs as something existing in the world, despite knowing they are the same as the ones in our world

[lethal rock]

If the thought of aurora being real life person feels off, please remember that the persona that she puts up (no matter how close it is to how she actually is) it is not her. It's an act and a branding. So the real life artist known as AURORA is as real as the one who preforms in sky. Please don't fight

[cold sparrow]

This isn't fighting, it's a discussion! As I said plenty before, many people have their own interpretation, and whichever works for you best is fine

[hushed steeple]

@lethal rock make a good point. This is all fiction. Emersing ourselfs in the lore of sky and its world is part of the fun.
You are boath aware that the whole thing is nothing more then computer code and graphis, and you also become emotionaly invested in the whole thing as if it is real
Like I said beforem Its all a mater of how you engage with the material
Why should Aurora be any different

[hushed steeple]

The argument we are traing to make is that it doesnt have to be eather one or the other.😅

[lethal rock]

ah okey! It was just looking like it was gonna be a fight. My bad.

[cold sparrow]

Personally, I can't afford that 'suspension of disbelief'
Sky doesn't exist in a vacuum. I am still a player in the real world, sitting in front of a game console, and I am a fan of the real world singer going by the artist moniker Aurora
I don't mind playing with concepts of how to make the ingame Aurora tie into the game as part of the canon, but I personally can't see her as the world's actual deity, for many reasons ingame and out-of-game

[hushed steeple]

(be back in 20 min)

[hushed steeple]

Nobudy ever said she was
(again, have to go, but will come back in 20 min)

[cold sparrow]

Nobody ever said she was what? The deity of Sky? Plenty of people said and say that

[tender rock]

I would suppose that she is, somehow, and if she is she might be of higher position compared to the elders

[cold sparrow]

I would rather consider her more akin to a Skykid, but different - a person, a consciousness, created from a piece of Light

[hushed steeple]

Ok, let me break it down

The Light iis the sorce of all light in the universe.
The souls of sky kids are born from it and send down to earth, and apon death reunite with it.
The unlimatly means that the souls of all sky kids and light creatures for that mater seperate from the greater whole of Megabird and then reunite with it

[lethal rock]

yeah! like in village of dreams being a performer is a thing.

[cold sparrow]

I mean.. it is. But not quite the right equivalent to make? xD
Being a performer in the Village of Dreams is an occupation that the Ancestors had, like some were musicians, some were soldiers, etc.

Being a Skykid rather refers to the 'organism'. The anatomy, the way one is born, and all that. Skykids are different from ancestors. Elders are different from Skykids and Ancestors. I would imagine Aurora to be closer to Skykids than to Ancestors or Elders, but still different again.

[lethal rock]

oooo I see I see. I'm bit slow today huh.

[hushed steeple]

The leading theory about Aurora that was developed on this channel is that Aurora is an aspect of "The Light", a fether of Megabird
Basicly, she is a much larger chunk of the greater whole that is "The Light", that acts as "the voice" of The Light
She is NOT the same as "The Light", not "The Light" in humonoid form, but rather a more substantial peace of it that has a strong conection to it

After all, when you really break down everything on the most fundamental level, there is no differnce between what makes up the soul of a Sky kid, the soul of a creature, or "The light" itself. Only how it is form and concentrated that makes the difference
Aurora is just another manifestation of this process

[cold sparrow]

I think you're trying to argue for the very same point I'm trying to make

Yet, it is also a fact that I have seen many people straight up call Aurora Megabird
Which, hey, to each their own, but that doesn't work for me for many reasons

[hushed steeple]

Are you😅 ?
You are insisting that she is closely related to a sky kid, with no more deeper conection the The Light

[cold sparrow]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[hushed steeple]

Admitidly we already had this whole thing discused at lengh a few weeks ago, but I guess you missed that whole discussion😅

[hushed steeple]

I supoase to each there own😅

[cold sparrow]

I am a frequent lurker and occasional participant of this chat and have seen many conversations like this

Just now, one person came in here, comparing her to a god, and another person asked whether Aurora was canon, so I tried to give an overview of the many different views of her that I have picked up from this chat over time

[hushed steeple]

True, though I suspect your atatchmant to the IRL Aurora is affecting your judgement here😅
And I wont blame you for that, we all have our own opinions on it.

Though I just want to say this

[hushed steeple]

The Little Prince is one of my favourite books of all times.
The characters and dialogue stick with me from childhood, and when the Little Prince season come along and I played through the quests, a part of my breain always conected the spirits and the dialogue of the game with what was in the book
It is very easy for me to desmiss the wholeseason as just a sky re-telling of The Little Prince, and not bother with the lore at all, as my conestion with the story is very strong

[hushed steeple]

However, I thats not really the case.
On one hand I can see all of it as an adaptation of the book, but I could also analize the whole thing as something thats fully canon to the world of sky.
I can see the spirits as sky version of the 6 adoults on the asteroid, and at the same time former ancesters with lifes and history in the world of sky
I can see the Little prince as just The Little Prince in sky, but aslo as a being that exist in the universe, and that has as much of a canon effect on the in world history of sky as any other season
And I can engage in conversation with people on boath a in universe level, and on an adaptation level

[hushed steeple]

These are not mutually exclusive view points
You can have boath

The fact is that everybody already knows that Aurora is a real person, there not confused about that point
But people who theorize about Auroras role in-universe are at that moment viewing the whole thing from a "in-universe" persective, traing to figure out how that could work. That doesnt mean that they are not aware of the fact that everything is just a colab with a real worl artist

Like I said before, its all a mater of how you engage with the material
And when it comes to the the colaboration seasons we got, and all the colaborations that we will be getting in the future, there canonisity, but the very nature of them being taken from another medium, is gonna be compleatly liminal. Boath canon and non canon depending on how you look at this😅

The content on these seasons are unavoidably gonna be aproched on 2 different levels (the IRL and in-universe).

[hushed steeple]

Im sorry if I am comeing off as being too agresive here. I dont mean to attack your worldview are anything. We are all entiteled to our own opinions.
Im just traing to brothen your perspective on the subject.
The question of what Aurora is, at the end of the day, is 2 compleaty different questions, as it depends on weather its an in unoverse or out of universe conversation.
If you still feel uncomfortable about the whole thing, thats perfectly fine.
Just understand that there is more then one way to look at this thing

[cold sparrow]

Not gonna lie, I am just tired of this conversation at this point
You didn't make any point I wasn't already aware of

[hushed steeple]

I supoase
Though you always have the choice to not engage in the conversation 😅

[hushed steeple]

I have skiped out on a lot of these becouse there subjects I cant give a proper argument for, or dont agree with persinaly, but I dont begruge people for haveing it.
Its not my view, but its not contradicted with evidence outside my personal opinion, so its equally valid in the long run😅
There are a lot of aspects of sky lore that are in a liminal state, boath can be considered canon and desmised, but dont disrupt the canon proper of the world eather way
Aurora is just one of those things😅

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(And with this I think Im tired of this conversation as well. Goodnight everybody)