lore-discussion-spoilers

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Poor King :(.

[nimble ingot]

At the start, the devs imagined the realms as levels and at the end of each one, a boss would be waiting. Think of it like Shadow of Colossus.
This idea evolved into humanoid characters we know as Elders.

The elders are responsible for their realms, like guardians.
The elders even had names. However, these names were placeholders. You may have heard them mentioned here before.
These names were based on Hebrew characters.

Daleth - Dawn
Ayin - Day
Teth - Forest
Samekh - Valley
Tsadi - Wasteland
Lamed - Vault
Not to mention Resh for the King and Alef for the Sky Prince (not to be confused for the Little Prince)

These hebrew names are not canon.
Fans may still use them as fan nicknames, but must clarify this for fans to avoid misunderstandings.

Each one went through few iterations.
Namely, it seemed like Daleth was once vulture like, and Forest elder was once lynx like (or a kitsune based on their trickster nature in older concepts)
Even the Valley once had consideration for 1 elder known as a Priestess. But this was changed to be Twins.

The twins were supposedly a better choice given this would help emphasize the realm's competitive nature.

The realms even had a few considerations.
For starters, they were based on times of the day (dawn, day, rain, sunset, dusk, night and storm)
Forest was formerly called rain, valley - sunset, wasteland - dusk (or shores of mana at one point) and vault was once called night.

There is a lot more lore than what I have glossed over here, but it is a start.

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Oooooooo

[sharp lichen]

Average Raider textwall

[nimble ingot]

lol, never get's old

At least it is sectioned for easy reading.

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Indeed

Are all the elders related tho? Or are they not related at all from each other?

[nimble ingot]

That is an interesting question.

Baudshaw may help with this, he has been around as long as I have. And done a lot of research (more so than me with physics).

The elders in the current lore seem to not be related to each other (as siblings). Given the little information we have about them in the game.
But we do know they are united as elders. Who seem to be as old as the realms themselves. They are ancient (elderly, if you say so, lol), supposedly not mortal, therefore not 'born'.

They also seem to be aware of each other based on the vault cutscene and the elder gate.

Although I do wish to see more lore about them in the game some time.

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awww man, I was starting to daydream about a comic series where the king creates the elders when they were smol and they were all siblings

[nimble ingot]

In the old timeline concept art for Light Awaits.

There seems to have been one point where the King was the one who 'created the elders',
They chose ancestors to become elders and gave them powerful artefacts made of dark stone.

It is uncertain if this is still a case in the current game.

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mystery ooooo

[nimble ingot]

see for yourself 🙂

(open as a link to see the full resolution)

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WAHT

[nimble ingot]

Again, this is old concept art.
Take this with a grain of imaginary salt

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Ooooh ok

[lusty merlin]

the valley elders are confirmed twins said by ash here: #general-sky-discussion message (they also like salt and pepper apple slices) for the other elders there's no definitive if they're also related in canon

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

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Honestly I'm starting to want an Elder season where we get to see the backstories of the Elders!

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I know the valley ones are twins but I'm mostly wondering about the elder group as a whole

[nimble ingot]

Agreed.

We did get a glimpse of this in seasons of Prophecy and Shattering.

But seriously, the elders need love seeing they hardly got updates.

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I wanna see them as little babies just wandering around and having fun (just so I can see how they're childhood was like )

If they were born as if and not by being an ancestor and then turning into an Elder

Honestly we really need a history lesson for how the Sky universe came to be

[patent dome]

What do sky kids taste like?

[hallow topaz]

Where is the best place to find ALL the lore for one to peruse through please? 🙂 I want to learn

[cobalt palm]

I would say ingame, a lot of the stuff is personal interpretations, but there are a few things in the channel pins to get you started

There have been a couple of attempts at an intro to the stuff ingame
https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

https://docs.google.com/document/d/18B1-SKG3toG0oH0VhOWC5o-cG9u0STAN92QvmbhTDto/edit

Which may give you a bit of a flavour, but I'd honestly say, go look around, think how it affects you, what it makes you think of, and what you think happened to the spirits, and what we are doing during the game

[sharp lichen]

In my opinion (this is not canon), they just seem to be Ancestor Spirits with special powers

They’re related in the familial sense, I guess

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but
but i want baby elders hanging out with the king/theyre dad (even if he isnt theyre actual dad)

[sharp lichen]

Baby elders seem like a kid’s cartoon show

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I mean
As long as theyre cute then idc

[cobalt palm]

If I was a better artist I would definitely draw a chibi forest elder in a grump mood

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:0
YOU KNOW WHAT
IM GONNA DRAW THAT!!

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Chibi Isle elder chasing after birds,
Chibi prairie elder with a bug catching net

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Tag me!

[sharp lichen]

Don’t ask me what Chibi Wasteland Elder leads do

[cobalt palm]

Hmm...
Chibi valley elders playing Skyball together
Chibi wasteland elder exploring some dangerous cliffs (daydreaming assembly spirit style)

And chibi vault elder reading books while chaos is going on around the room

[sharp lichen]

Hint: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[cobalt palm]

Haha chibi wasteland elder in the secret area roof canon

[nimble ingot]

Mini-Dawn be using birds to get their way.

Cookie jar too high? Birbs
Valley twins be fighting? Birbs
They have chores needed to be done? BIRBS!!!

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I think vault is my favorite since they give shy energy >:3

So they would be extra cute as a smol lil guy!

[nimble ingot]

Tsadi be a goober

[cobalt palm]

Oh on the feather vs bowling ball experiment in Sky, I found an unwinged player the other day, and recorded us falling in abyss both normally, and me as a caped diving.
Diving was faster, but unwinged were faster on freefall

Dawn chibi wants cookies, so wasteland chibi goes on a perilous mission of climbing the kitchen draws

The fanart draws itself in my head, I just wish there was a memory printer so I could get it on paper without using hands

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Im gonna have a lot of fun drawing today >:]

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Is it ok if i send a video link here?
Since im curious if this is true or not

[nimble ingot]

would you like to dm it first to be sure it is not beta or hacked content?

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Ye

https://youtu.be/7RpJY6buu1Q?si=kYKStiRq9_BDnngM

[nimble ingot]

Season of Shattering's final memory (elders and eden diamond shattering)

All elders are present, along with speculation about the King included as well.

There is a curious detail in this scene where we see two winged light hugging in this scene.

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For a sec i thought you meant the twins but we can clearly see them trying to prevent the diamond

[nimble ingot]

There is also a possible call back in this memory to an old OOB space from Light Awaits.

During Light Awaits' development, Eden's final area had seem drastic changes.
From a greensih/blue hellscape, to the red we see today. To what was once included in the area, but has since been removed.

There was once a time in the beta where players lucky enough to explore the realm were able to find a space called Blue Eden.
A user (and mod) Mirriam, was thankfully able to capture a video of this place.

Here is the video: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[cobalt palm]

I made a terrible rough rendition of what this historically and lore accurate event may have looked like, it's too terrible to be fanart

[nimble ingot]

Oh, all the elders are present in that memory.

Fun fact though, the forest elder is different from the other statues in the memory.
It has less to do with the lore and more to do with the game and the devs.

The Blue Eden I mentioned shows the statues in the original space. These statues are the same ones seen in Shattering. It looks like the devs reused these models.
Strangely, the forest elder was missing in the original Blue Eden scene. It is possible that at the time, the elder's proper model was not finished yet. And thus the one we have in the Shattering memory has the latest model of the forest elder, while the others in the memory are less 'modern'.

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Where is she? Can i see her? (Like in the shattering memory)

[nimble ingot]

*Them
You are ok, just giving context why I say they. The lore is open to interpretation and I like to be objective (neutral) in lore chat. Which extends to the characters in Sky do not have a gender (meaning if you were to give anyone a form to fill in, the gender box is left BLANK). Leaving the ascribed (whatever you want to use) gender up to the players.

I would say the forest elder in the shattering scene is roughly past the diamond and a bit to the left?
I cannot recall exactly, it has been a while since I was in there.
To get to the memory, you need to pray to the randomiser gods (personally the worst choice for the devs to do this, side note).
Otherwise, you can look up pictures or videos of this.

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Wdym by “pray to the randomiser gods”?

[lucid bridge]

It’s up to rng - so random chance

[nimble ingot]

The shard memories are radomised.

When the season was active, I hoped the devs would not do this, because:
1 - Randomising the shards makes them unpredicatble/unreliable (no brainer, I know. But point stands).
2 - Collecting the wl is luck based/random. Whereas completing the season is not the case.
3 - By randomising the shards, players may be less inclined to explore the shards of their choice. They may be curious, but not as much as they may have if given the choice to see one of the shard memories.

It is more of a critic on the season than a lore thing.

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Ooooh ok
Funnily enough I was able to get all the memory shards without repeats

[cobalt palm]

Well, we thought that about the no shard days, but there was a hidden pattern discovered, it may be there's a pattern to the shard memories too, even though switch seems to be different to other devices, which we haven't figured out yet.

[nimble ingot]

lucky. Or you were catching up with reliving the season.

[nimble ingot]

switch desync may be a bug tbh.

[cobalt palm]

Probably is, I breakdown the no shard day patterns in this post (YouTube but actually text)
https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxYodXNSxSA45IqeGKRfjqdGqjvdDO3wPx

Incase it doesn't render.

Thanks to the folk who created the shard calendar
https://sky-shards.pages.dev/

And making it open source
https://github.com/PlutoyDev/sky-shards/blob/production/src/shardPredictor.ts

I know the patten when no shards would fall has always been a bit of a mystery, and I'm amazed they were able to figure it out.

I will try to explain it the best that I can, without you needing to understand the code.

All the work is calculating the type of shard, which is fairly simple, as its based on day of the month, a red shard will be on the first day of the month, followed by black, then red, then black, and so on, but there are 3 types of red shard, and 2 types of black shard.
This is worked out by this section of code
infoIndex = isRed ? (((dayOfMth - 1) / 2) % 3) + 2 : (dayOfMth / 2) % 2;

Basically if its red, then the day of the month split into a 3 number cycling pattern, 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3... and so on
(that's what the %3 is doing - % is like the simple maths division "remainder" calculator, like you learned at first before knowing decimals - for my wonderful geeks out there it's going to actually be 0, 1, 2, 0, 1, 2 💜)

If its not red, I. E. Black, then it splits the day of month into a 2 number cycling pattern 1, 2, 1, 2... And so on (that's what the %2 does)

When the calendar knows that, it can look this up on a lookup table of types of shards, and depending on the day of the month, which realm it will fall in.

There are 3 types of red shard:
The first, which can fall in
'Cave', 'Forest Garden', 'Village of Dreams', 'Graveyard', or 'Jellyfish Cove',
these won't have shards on Mondays or Tuesdays, so if the day of the month this falls on a Monday or Tuesday, there will be a no shard day.

The second type, which can fall in
'Bird Nest', 'Treehouse', 'Village of Dreams', 'Crabfield', or 'Jellyfish Cove'
Won't have shards on Tuesdays or Wednesdays.

And then the third type
'Sanctuary Island', 'Elevated Clearing', 'Hermit valley', 'Forgotten Ark', or 'Jellyfish Cove',
won't have shards on Wednesdays or Thursdays.

Then there are 2 types of black shard
The first can fall in
'Butterfly Field', 'Forest Brook', 'Ice Rink', 'Broken Temple', or 'Starlight Desert',
Which won't have shards on Saturday or Sunday

[sharp lichen]

W math

[cobalt palm]

And the second type of black shards can fall in
'Village Islands', 'Boneyard', 'Ice Rink', 'Battlefield', 'Starlight Desert',
Which won't have shards on Sunday or Monday

[sharp lichen]

I still think shards have the potential (at least lorewise) to fall in the Wind Paths, Cave of Prophecies, Coliseum, or Treasure Reef

[cobalt palm]

Sky math!
Seriously kudos to the folk credited on that site who worked it out

Maybe not coliseum, unless they are blacks, as reds have been pushed to mostly side areas and only blacks appear on main path (I. E. Not behind a constellation gate) I think with the exceptions of forest and wasteland

[sharp lichen]

I wouldn’t mind an update to shards (well, the people who spent arduous work calculating all that out probably would) that put red shards on the main areas, but had it so that you couldn’t see any shard unless you beat the game once

[cobalt palm]

Yeah butterfly fields was fun during the season with shards

[sharp lichen]

It’s incredible how people basically did Sky Astronomy, similar to ancient scientists finding out the phases of the moon

It’s mind-boggling how I just know that in exactly 1 billion days from now, in the year 2739930, a shard is expected to fall at 7:48 AM

I’m not sure you could calculate location or reward that far out, though, because the shard cycle doesn’t always line up with the month

[lucid bridge]

Just to make sure I’m correct, there’s 4 unique memories?

[nimble ingot]

6 memories.

(Crabs and butteflies), jellyfish, mantas, whales, krill and elders.

They could be spores, now that you mentioned it.

Actually, you are right.

I was thinking of the season area that had two sides (light and darkness)
An area, that I believe, is **inaccessible ** by normal means in the games since the season ended.

Which is an unfortunate exception to the trend at least 13 other seasons had established that skykids can access their season areas after the season ended.

This is a rumour I was told a while back.
But thought to share it with the above info in mind to hear folks' impression on this.

Suppose the Netease (chinese) server allowed their players to access the area with the guide that appears in the shard quests.
Furthermore would be allowed to access all memory shards with the guide to teleport them to said memories.

I would imagine that could have been a fantastic mechanic that made use of the guide as a point of interaction. The shards are accessible as a reward for completing the season. And furthermore balances the incentive for players to complete the shards.
Seeing they could get 6 wl, if they need it. And they can still get the ascended candles all the same.

It would have been like the Prophecy seasons.
But instead of the cave, it is the shard. And instead of puzzles/trials, they get to relive the shard memories.

From a naive standpoint.

I figure if this were to be the set up, players might be more interested in the shards than how it is currently set up.

Instead of a random set of rooms that wont guarantee the player gets their max count within the week.
A quick way to get ascended candles on an odd day instead of once a week.

Not to mention avoid the area going stale due to players moving on to the next new thing and abandoning the space.
Mind you, I am sure there is still a good amount of players still visiting the shards regularly. However even without knowing the data, I am sure the shard memories are not a popular place that gets regularly visited by new and old players.

[hoary violet]

watching nausicaa of the valley of the wind and i’m NEVER gonna be the same about sky ever again this movie has completely changed everything i knew about the game

[nimble ingot]

ooh.
Please do tell. 0.0

[hoary violet]

the "dangerous" plants and themes of pollution and giant bugs with blue-red eyes it's so similar

[hushed steeple]

Is there any god lore
Like genshin impact?

[barren holly]

Way I see it, they don’t explain the lore of the game much

[hushed steeple]

I have heard that sky god adopting some children in Korean mythology. that game is refference to that story?

[nimble ingot]

God lore....

The only one that comes to mind is the Light itself.
The Light that makes up a deity in Sky called Megabird, or Bird of Light in concept art.

Granted the game hardly mentions what may as well be the grandest, most powerful creature in Sky, seeing it favours in showcasing the smallest characters such as the skykids. Although the first song in Season of Aurora's concert does give some hints about this Light "once was a moving thing, before [it] was a human being", as told with Aurora herself juxtaposed into the narrative.
(juxtapose meaning in this context - placed into the scene while creating a contrast)

The idea of Megabird combined with Eden as a once a paradise garden could possibly be referencing the myth, Garden of Babylon.
(This is a hypothesis that I need to research more. Especially with this idea stemming from a video game that went on about the "divine wings" in the flying garden of babylon. )

[hushed steeple]

Well why not
You got Muppet babys
Looney toon babys
Uncle grandpa babys

Why not Elder babys
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[slim mango]

For some reason reassuring ranger's hair style look match with ceasing commodore 🤔

I think they're identical?

[hushed steeple]

Wow, this is a fantastic post😍
(Someone whould really save this)

Also, comparing the first concept and version of the elders with "Shadow of the Colosses" is preaty spot on, considering that this is how they looked like😂

[nimble ingot]

Fun fact: Jenova Chen mentioned in an interview how he designed the game and its core.
Sky is a game about connecting with another person. Which is similar to Journey, although Sky intends to expand on this element through environmental story telling and interactions.

Some of the inspirations for the game came from World of Warcraft. Where players can meet each other through interacting with their avatars.
Although in that game, the players would be less inclined (interested) to befriend each other and more focused on strategies and competing for loot in the game.
This was something Jenova wanted to address in Sky, where progress in the game values bounds more than defeating enemies or getting the most loot.

Here is the interview: https://youtu.be/AL-StB8qmII?t=980

[nimble ingot]

I should write a thesis about Sky lore some time.

1 - To Curate sources.
2 - To have the lore written out in its raw form (perhaps with a few theories added in). But hopefully to serve as a foundation for more research.
3 - As my way to show appreciation for the game (and as a art history major, it is something I can do).

Something that goes over the realms, the seasons, the spirits, skykids, winged light, light creatures, dark creatures and the elders.
Something that is inspired by the lorechat, and for users to read into without the need to scroll through 4 year's worth of conversations and debates on here.

[hushed steeple]

I wanted to do the same thing for nearly a year now😅

But I decided to postpone until the animation comes out

[nimble ingot]

lol, for it is the studies and other projects.

[reef fulcrum]

Anybody else have a massive conjunctive headcanon linking all their favorite games together coincidentally into one unified timeline, or is that just me?

It literally starts with Shadow of the Colossus and ends with Sky, I've been seeing similarities and styles between the two games forever.

[cobalt palm]

We have our first elder chibi fanart

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

Oops that was the prompt, art here
#sky-fanart-sketches-and-art-chat message

[hushed steeple]

So preaty much fusing the Ico games and sky into one timeline?

[hushed steeple]

THERE PERFECT😍😍😍😍

[reef fulcrum]

Zelda is in there, too. Some kid Icarus and Xenoblade, uhh... final fantasy 7. I'd have to think what else...

[nimble ingot]

studio ghibli, castle in the sky
howl's moving castle too

[reef fulcrum]

This guy gets it.

Though I haven't seen enough studio ghibli, myself.

[hushed steeple]

You should
Its preaty much the thing the unify ALL the games that you mentioned so far😅

Sky basicly falls under the ghibly apocalys subganra, same as breath of the wild, the ico games, Atlantis the lost empire....

Sereosly, this channel DOES NOT talk enough about just how masive an influance Ghibli movies have on the world and lore of sky, boath in design and theme

[nimble ingot]

(jokingly)
109 mentions of "ghibli" with the first mention on the last day of January 2020

eyo! Lookie what I found 🙂
Seraph ( a server mod who has been in the lore chat from the start)

reika is a fan of studio ghibli and she works on a lot of the cosmetics
#lore-discussion-spoilers message
Reika is a dev of TGC 0.0

[hushed steeple]

Well there you go🤣
These movies should be required watching for this channel🤣🤣

[sharp lichen]

Well, elders could be seen as gods

[hushed steeple]

More like prophets really😅
Or high preasts

[sharp lichen]

Hear me out, Sky and Plastic Beach from Gorillaz

[nimble ingot]

Skykids meeting the rapper spirit would be lit 🔥

[nimble ingot]

I am today years old when I learned the rock we run past in Dawn (the one near the campfire for season of Passage) is called DawnPrideRock XD

(clarification here. No I did not mess with file names to get this info. Here is the source: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/544455988 01:14:29)
This was shown on screen by one of the devs when they were explaining what ramping is and how it works in the game.
(basically, a colour gradient strip is used to colour a texture of an asset. This helps save storage space and keep the game light enough to run on phones.

[hushed steeple]

But now I hunger for sky pride rock fanart😅

I demand a sky pride rock art peace on my desk by the end of the day!!! 🤣🤣🤣

[nimble ingot]

Petition to let skykids pick up chibis like that /hj

[clear cosmos]

Has anyone else seen the sunken boat in the trench near the turtle?

[nimble ingot]

yup. There is even a little star on the ground next to it. 👍

[soft timber]

Petition to let skykids yeet chibis like basketballs /lh

I think they would be like how the same kind of boat in real life would have different marks or designs if they work for different countries, districts, or even companies even if said boat do the same thing

It would be like that with the boats in Sky, where even the same kind of boat would have different marks depending on the realm

[nimble ingot]

Speaking from experience.

Some boats assets may have been reused in the game.
However, there is certainly a few varieties of boats in Sky.
Ranging from the small ones with 3 pairs of oars, to ones that are flat on top and pulled by mantas, to ones that come in segments (similar to the smaller ones, but clearly appear larger), to larger ones of similar (if not smaller) size to the water based one in shipwreck (crab field), and naturally the one in forgotten ark.
Most boats seem to be able to travel by air and water, while it is possible to have water only boats.

There has been a user on here who was able to document the different sizes of boats.

[soft timber]

looking respectfully at the Abyss boat

[nimble ingot]

Agreed.

Even though the one in live is sadly less impressive than a previous version during its beta phase, it is one of the few boats of its size that we can find in one piece.
Other boats of that size are often found in pieces in the Graveyard.

RIP beta Abyss boat

[soft timber]

Man, we were robbed of a good design

[soft timber]

You can say

.> <.<
BetAbyss Boat

[sharp lichen]

They were removed for a good reason, but I still miss it

[nimble ingot]

There was even a working canon at one point that would have blow open the doors to the tower.
Not to mention a literal Reef backed sea Turtle.

I suppose with the turtle, we kinda have that in Sanctuary.
Even so, I like to think the one in the beta could have worked as a rare encounter.

Imagine seeing a turtle with a magnificent eco system of coral on its back. Swimming gracefully in the water.
But then there is a larger one in Sanctuary with a corrupted dark plant sprouting on it shell.

Talk about an ironic contrast

(This is not meant as a critic, merely an observation)

[nimble ingot]

It was because of lag or clipping issues, right?

(sarcasm engaged)
The crows nest, the ship's wheel, the net and the upper deck
Supposed the issue was the boat was too cool and skykids were too busy playing on the ship. And they would have never been able to complete the quests in time.
Not to mention overshadow the main event of the season. The largest dark creature in the game's history.
The same one we never get to interact with directly (at least within normal gameplay), then we get the Jonah special only once and never again.

[soft timber]

We got swallowed once and the dark creature ended up not wanting up lol

[sharp lichen]

More design related, the nets on the side of the ship made them seem like trappers

[nimble ingot]

ah fair.

Can't have pirates in Sky. I remember now.
They wanted a more scavenger vibe.

less along the lines of Pillagers and Thieves.
And more along the lines of Tomb Raiders and Scallywags

[slim mango]

Here it is for moments guide's mask

[safe spade]

Hey lorechat! I’ve always wondered what’s up with this dead scissor tail outside the citadel entrance?

[pastel brook]

Calculating the needed amount of sneep snorp for #lore-discussion-spoilers...

[lucid bridge]

Leftover of an old deleted quest. In the old quest it was sleeping. Might be dead now. Purely decorative.

[lucid bridge]

Honestly I like the in-game design more.

[subtle cedar]

Uh so I have religion class AND I KNOW THIS IS A STRETCH BUT

In catholic faith red candles are a sign that holyness is present

And where do we find candles?

EVERYWHERE BUT EDEN!, which is hell, literally.

God can not enter hell at all...

But obviously because there is no religious affilation with the game, there clearly is a higher power that is "watching over us" where red candles can be found, is a sign that they are with us, but because eden is hell that higher power can not enter and protect us any more, hence we can not be saved from our death

Makes you think, because you can't die anywhere but Eden. And the red candles around the place show yhat this higher power protects us in all realms even if we do get hurt, were still alive until we reach hell where we lose our spiritual protection.

[sharp lichen]

I think this is true in a more generalized sense, rather than tying it to religion, but there are actually ways to die outside of Eden.

However, it’s so rare that it could practically be considered non-canon

[nimble ingot]

True.

Perhaps it is plot armour
Or it is indeed a higher power that helps skykids.

[subtle cedar]

I believe there is something watching over us.

and it sparked my interest in religion class today when the teacher talked about red candles show that god is present in the area

[obtuse tapir]

What or who could represent "God" in Sky?

[subtle cedar]

Thats the question

Who could it be

[low grove]

the megabird maybe?

[nimble ingot]

Candles are universally seen as a symbol of hope, prayer and remembrance.

They symbolise the short and fragile nature of a life. How we cherish its light, and know it will inevitably burn out.

[low grove]

or just the light in general?

[obtuse tapir]

True

[subtle cedar]

and then there are the white candles

Which represent protection

Funny, isnt it
The white candles in trial of fire that protect us from "dying"

my brain was full of theories today and I had to share 😭

[nimble ingot]

I'll keep that in mind how skykids can help each other through there with white candles, while the usual red ones sadly dont cut it.

[smoky crest]

Hello

[nimble ingot]

you are welcome to share 🙂

[subtle cedar]

🤭

Red candles also can represent Love, where can be seen reigniting our friends,

White candles between friends are showing our trust to protect each other on our journey as white candles do that

[nimble ingot]

A skykid's light is their flame, their heart, their life, their soul.
Them extending this light to another skykid is them revealing their vitality in hopes another skykid would share theirs.
We know this because whenever a light is presented, the light in their chest leaps unto the candle. And returns to the chest when the candle is taken back.

[nimble ingot]

When wondering what happened to Megabird/King.

[reef fulcrum]

You can also not find candles in Prarie Peaks, and I don't want to think that place is somehow also unholy.

Oh man...

I'm reading through what y'all are talking about Megabird and I'm practically vibrating. This is in the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. I'm seeing the actual conversation from that book come into focus.

.
"I refuse to prove that I exist" Says God
"For proof denies faith, and without faith: I am nothing."

"But," says [skid] "the [Megabird] is a dead giveaway. Isn't it? It proves you exist, and so therefore you don't. QED."

"Oh" says god I hadn't thought of that."
And promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.

If we assume, hypothetically, that Megabird IS God, it instantly becomes not God. It may be omnipotent, it may exist throughout the universe, we may all be a part of it, and we may return to it when we die; but definition disproves divinity.

By virtue of the fact that we can understand it. Proof positive in the End Credits, when we can see for just a moment ALL of Megabird. If you can "zoom out" far enough to compare Megabird against all the rest of the universe (Which is for certain NOT Megabird) the next question instantly becomes "what else?".

Because proof denies faith.
If you can prove something exists, you don't need to have faith. And the existence of God is dependent on faith, because God only exists in the answers we can't prove. The philosophical creationary questions that can't be answered with science. Because any time there's something you can prove; there must be something bigger which you can't.

An entire civilization can live and die to history, and spend their whole lives worshipping a divine existence which they cannot prove or define. But then... If something or someone else comes along (Skids) and proves those people were right: it inadvertently also proves them wrong.

[hallow topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/mind-blown-wow-impressed-confused-gif-3482035

[sharp lichen]

I think the Sky universe's conception of Megabird/The Light transcends human definitions of religion. The Ancestors probably viewed it entirely different from us. But, if I had to make a guess, they would probably lean more towards the science side. They would not worship the Light, they would respect it.

[nimble ingot]

The text did imply the place was untouched.

Seeing the darkstone clusters are still around. It is safe to assume the season spirits may have not been there in life (that or did not get the chance to do anything there before they became spirits).

No ancestors - No candles.

However, this does beg the question if skykids could place candles.

[reef fulcrum]

Yeah, Hitchhiker's Guide is a comedy. The next line is about proving that black is white, and getting trampled by zebras. The point is agnostic. If it doesn't make sense when applied literally; good on you, that's the point.

That's why I find the comparison hilarious. Because obviously the Ancestors were not huddled away in churches, absolutely confident that they had guessed correctly at the "one true god". If you ||[not "you" specifically you, but "you" genitive plural, as a hypothetical]|| can be so 100% sure that you could prove God exists (or doesn't exist!) You must also be gnostic enough to believe that black=white. In which case: I would wish you luck the next time an angry zebra crosses your path; because apparently you won't see it coming.

QED

[reef fulcrum]

I know, it's one of the most beautiful things about Prarie Peaks. Really capitalize on the feeling of exploration. You can tell the devs were trying really hard to outdo themselves with that area, but Sanctuary Islands is still my favorite room.

[slim mango]

Here's the list of what spirit cosmetics wear that'll look identical.

Rhythm Guide Ultimate Gift Mask
-Dream Guide
-Days of Bloom Guide
-Jolly Geologist
-Nightbird Whisperer

Pointing Candlemaker hair
-Bereft Veteran's son
-Chilling Sunbather
-Wounded Warrior's soldier friend

Wise Grandparent mask
-Moments Guide

Ceasing Commodore hair
-Reassuring Ranger

Sparkle Parent hair
-Dream Guide
-Wounded Warrior's friend

Anxious Angler pants
-Wounded Warrior's friend

Bumbling Boatswain mask
-Tip-toeing Tea Brewer's parent

Ushering Stargazer hair
-The Skater

Tell me if you're add something on this list :)

[unkempt rune]

codyy

[icy wing]

I think the Darkness has always been a part of the world of Sky. Season of Shattering mentions Ancient Darkness and Ancient Light and that makes a lot of sense when you think about it.

Every time you burn a dark plant, you free some light butterflies. That could be seen as a sign of corruption but it seems more like the natural cycle of things

Which brings me to crabs

Are crabs corrupted or natural dark?

I think they're natural because of how they behave. They are territorial because they only attack when we get close and usually move around in a loose circle. We also know that they are at least somewhat intelligent because when we free them from the Bonfire, they have enough braincells to recognize who saved them and that we're not a threat.

Additionally, there's the variant of crabs which appear with shards, the red crabs. It's like they were corrupted by the shards and become incredibly hostile because they almost chase you compared to the normal crabs which seem to just try to bump you away.

Iirc, there's a mural at the Hidden Forest that shows that before, the Ancestors were friendly or at least neutral with crabs, being able to be close to them without being attacked. But something or someone happened and the crabs got hostile. It seems to be generational hate or anger against the Ancestors (unless these crabs have a long lifespan) and that's transferred over to the Sky kids because we look like them.

[cold sparrow]

It appears that crabs are natural as they are. They're just little guys. We see non-hostile ones in areas of the Wasteland and Sanctuary island, particularly around fire/light/sunny areas.
It is the 'darkness encrusted' ones that get hostile, and yes, even more so the shard ones, so it seems that crabs can be corrupted by darkness, but they have always been crabs.

[icy wing]

Oh yes I almost forgot about the darkness encrusted ones, thanks!

Here's a thought, what if they only react in such a hostile manner to light in general?

And the ones around fire or bright or sunny areas are a bit more used to light which is why often the non-hostile ones can be found in such places? Because they recognize Sky kids as non-hostile?

And when the Krill light passes over them, they can tell it's not a natural light which is why they hide?

[unkempt rune]

@icy wing please tag me when you're dropping crab lore i get lost finding this thread 😭

[native galleon]

I don’t think proof denies faith in the Sky universe, the two go hand in hand. The ancestors may not have fully understood the Light, but they had proof of spirits and an afterlife and semi-divine entities to guide them, and they still had faith. Proof only denies faith, like you said, if we assume Megabird is analogous to an omnipotent capital-G God. I agree with Baud that religion/spirituality and science would have overlapped a lot, both would involve studying the Light and using spiritual practices to tap into one’s own light, as well as the light of the world around them.

This also plays into why I think the Vault was so important, which I touched on here:
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[icy wing]

I'll make sure to do so then

[unkempt rune]

What do you think is the context behind them putting the crabs in the bonfire? It seems so strange out of place unless the crabs were already becoming hostile before that in forest/valley

[cold sparrow]

They do seem to only react to light. Once a skykid has gotten all their WL knocked out of them, iirc, crabs don't attack them anymore until they're lit up again. (Shard crabs are a different beast altogether, of course. Far more hostile, these.)

But I believe it is actually the darkness that you can see sticking to them that is making them hostile to light. The crabs in Forest and the ones in the Sanctuary caves have darkness pockmarks all over them, while the peaceful ones out on the sunny islands do not. I think those are rather cured of their darkness, much like the ones above the Wasteland bonfire, by exposing them to large amount of light that burns away the darkness sticking to them (much like we skykids do with darkness plants).

So I think crabs in their natural state aren't hostile. It is the darkness that sticks to them that turns them hostile towards light sources (shard crabs also attack light props) and light creatures.

[icy wing]

Actually that could be it (Thank you for telling me that the crabs attack light props did NOT know that)

Back then perhaps, crabs stopped being friendly with the Ancestors because they were harvesting light or something else, but that didn't turn them hostile. But as the darkness spread throughout Forest and other places, it began to take over many of the crabs

I think crabs in their natural state are just averse to light though, which is why they're so happy to be freed from the bonfire

But @unkempt rune to answer your question, as @cold sparrow said, it was probably someone trying to cure them. The darkness on them seems to be a lot harder to burn away then normal crabs (and may even hurt the crabs)

[cold sparrow]

Honestly, I think the crabs on the bonfire are just happy to be out of the pot. It seems like they're stuck in there.

[icy wing]

That could also be it tbh

[native galleon]

some ancestor left them cooking when the world ended and they just stayed there somehow for like centuries

[icy wing]

I'm so glad I wasn't the only one thinking that

Maybe that's the only way the darkness can be burned out of them though?

[cold sparrow]

Lmao tbh

[cold sparrow]

Yeah that's my theory. We see the Pleading Parent by the bonfire. Notably, the Pleading Parent is not shown to interact with any ancestor child, but is chasing crabs around the wasteland, and makes the pleading emote at one of them as it runs away. I believe the Pleading Parent considered themselves a parent and caretaker to these crabs and tried to help them.

[native galleon]

a couple possibilities for your consideration:

1. the crabs in the pot went “this is fine” and just started like, raising a family that then carried on living in the pot for generations
2. crabs are like irl lobsters and can’t die of old age

[cold sparrow]

The latter sounds very fitting to me for the world of sky.
Though now that makes me imagine some ancient giant crab somewhere.

[icy wing]

Agreed. Perhaps it was the Pleaful Parent who put the crab there, then. It must've been way after everything went kaput, because in the memory we see them also hiding from the Krills that were already in the area. The crabs must have been their only companion and they figured out a way to kind of cure them

[native galleon]

ok i said this as a joke/silly concept but tbh why not? we got elders of every species

[icy wing]

king creb. Okay but it makes more sense that they can't die of old age tbh

[native galleon]

I want to see the king kreb

[unkempt rune]

In that case how are the crabs grateful to being "saved" from the fire if it was curing them? it seems more like the act of saving* cured them

[icy wing]

As mentioned by rooty I think they just wanted to be out of the pot

[cold sparrow]

again, it seems like they're stuck up there. they're not happy to be saved from their cure - they might not even really understand that they were cured - they're just happy to be freed from their imprisonment

[native galleon]

they’ve been in there for a long time, they must be bored

[cold sparrow]

like a pet that is freed from the crate after coming back from the vet

[unkempt rune]

I would have thought the crabs were a form of darkness on their own, I don't think they're light creatures but maybe there's a different form of darkness that's corrupt in its own?
We have ancient light and ancient darkness that co-existed before, what else would be considered ancient darkness that isn't corrupt?

[icy wing]

I don't think the crabs are intelligent enough to know when they're corrupted or cured, they just know enough to
A. Avoid unnatural blue light
B. Attack whatever looks to be a threat
C. Do not attack whatever doesn't look like a threat

[icy wing]

Darkness plants are something that may have initially co-existed with the ancient light but became an invasive species because of the Ancestors overharvesting light

[unkempt rune]

Based off the cutscene in the forest temple you can see them get 'greedy' with the light our skykid has, even though by that point it would have been more rare. I guess what happened to the realms might have been a result of our ancestors flying too close to the sun (pun not intended 💀)

[native galleon]

yeah i like to think there were always darkness plants in like forest for example. after all, there was clearly quite a bit of another form of darkness in the ground

[icy wing]

Mhm, they most likely acted as a kind of trap plant (shown by how quickly they can grow) and would trap light creatures if they got too close

Also @rapid abyss (SORRY WRONG PERSON) I'm not sure which cutscene you mean, is it the entry one or the one after you light the candles?

[native galleon]

imagine ancestors finding a cluster of dark plants and just, getting out a shovel to start digging

[cold sparrow]

I actually believe that the darkness plants are a symptom of the balance going out of control and the darkness starting to corrupt
In the second shattering memory, we see floating darkness plants - that remind me of floating seeds like dandelions have - floating down from the sky
and that seems to be early in the corruption process, the second shattering memory of six, the beginning of the end
this is how the darkness plants started to spread all over the place and corrupt the land

[unkempt rune]

Yes I agree! I see them more like mold

[cold sparrow]

I think darkness in its stable and safe form originally only existed as crystals, like we see in the Prairie Peaks caves

[unkempt rune]

you @ the wrong person 😭

[unkempt rune]

The cutscene where we have a little ball of fire and the forest elder just aggressively snatches it from our hands

[icy wing]

That could actually be it, and then as a result of whatever the Ancestors were doing it spread the darkness plants which infected the crabs which we know also caused mayhem amongst the ancestors

and then the krills and mama krill were the result of everything

[native galleon]

yes very stable and very safe /s /lh

[unkempt rune]

Crystals makes sense, or the general balance of darkness might tie in with the game day cycle idk

[icy wing]

So Darkness could be something released from the crystals that the ancestors may have tried to harvest

Or they could have been there from the start and ancestors just tipped the balance and made things worse

[unkempt rune]

I honestly don't remember the parts where the elders were doing devious things to harvest even more light but it makes the fall of the realms seem more like a consequence than a victim

[icy wing]

Actually I don't know if any of the Elders had a hand in it except maybe Valley twins and Forest elder

Isle elder seemed to just be trying to guide you
Prairie elder was all about nature
Wasteland elder seemed to just be a soldier trying to guard against it all
Vault elder seemed to just be trying to preserve knowledge

[native galleon]

it’s only clearly shown in one place in game, a mural in treasure reef, and the rest is all implied from context clues

[unkempt rune]

Feeling less sorry for their deaths now

[icy wing]

I mean freeing various mantas from cages (especially in Treasure Reef) and a couple of ancestor spirit memories (plus the shattering shard ones) seem to definitively imply that the ancestors were trying to harvest them

It would make sense for the Forest elder to be in on it, considering that they're a blacksmith which could be a sign of industralization

As for the Valley twins they seemed entertainment-geared and may have ignored the side effects of what they did

[native galleon]

See, I don’t think it’s as simple as that. Since it was an unsustainable practice that was so widely used, they would have had to know about it, and all contributed to the problem (albeit indirectly in some cases) by either supplying the industry (Forest, Wasteland) or demanding too much (Valley, possibly Vault)

[icy wing]

Although at the same time, none of the other Elders are without fault either

Isle looks like they tried to warn against it but retreated when the others wouldn't listen
Prairie looks like they didn't really try anything at all
Wasteland did try to go to war but that just tore their realm apart
And Vault just isolated for knowledge

oop yeah thanks Liv

[cold sparrow]

it is implied and shown that the ancestors harvested material (dark stone) and turned it into light-absorbing batteries, pulling the light from light creatures like mantras in their refineries and labs, and using those darkstone crystals to power their gates and boats and likely also memory lanterns
but yes, this whole process is likely what lead to the downfall of the kingdom, whether because it simply destroyed the natural balance through the harvest, or because the darkness got released from the crystals through the mining and industry and got poured into the oceans, while light creatures were trapped and exploited

[icy wing]

I think it was a mix of everything you just mentioned

And then the Ancestors broke down into a civil war trying to decide what to do and who to blame

Possibly, while they were fighting, the darkness was released in the form of Krills and it made the whole war even more chaotic (see the Two Embers trailer and the Aurora spirit memory in Wasteland)

[native galleon]

Yeah, also, Prairie would have contributed by supplying some of the animals, although they seemed to be looking for more small-scale and sustainable ways to do it (butterfly power anyone?)

And then there’s Valley…which was not nearly as reluctant a participant in the system

[cold sparrow]

prairie elder doesn't seem directly involved in the darkstone process, but jars in prairie seem to have been used to catch light shed from migrating light creatures, and possibly also storing something like the darkstone brew (alcohol allegory, see soldier in starlight desert), as there's a jar in the prairie caves with a little darkness plant sproud coming from it

so prairie may have started developing the use of light as power source
though while they tried to do so as non-disruptive as possible, the culture in the capital and valley have developed to be entirely reliant on that, eventually outgrowing the supply of non-exploitative light catching and requiring the capture and harvesting of light creatures themselves

[icy wing]

Prairie elder I think was playing dumb to be like "I am definitely not involved in this guys 100%!!!"

But perhaps the Praire elder was the one that made the others realize about the possibilities of harvesting light as they trapped butterflies in jars

Thing is, I think the Prairie people and Elder did it on a small sustainable scale that worked because of how big the butterfly population was and how little they needed

But when Forest and Valley turned it industrial well... that explains why butterflies are the most common light creature

WHAT you guys are saying the same ideas as me 😭 when we're sending our messages at the same time

[native galleon]

going back to this, I actually think Valley had an even more active role than that, as they were so dependent on it that the demand was simply too high to ignore…but i’m tired so i won’t open that can of worms rn

[unkempt rune]

This is like real life with us destroying nature just to harvest energy 😟

[icy wing]

Valley was definitely our consumerism. Asking and asking for more and just not thinking of the side effects

It makes it sadder because we see the Valley peoples LOVED mantas, they would race and compete and show off with them

That's why I think a group of mantas survived in the Valley. They kept mantas around there so that they wouldn't have to think of all the mantas dissapearing everywhere else

[unkempt rune]

prarie elder just throwing pixie dust and butterflies to make the problem disappear from view

[native galleon]

🔊 you cannot eat money oh no

[unkempt rune]

spits out a chewed up 100 dollar bill

[icy wing]

Prairie Elder refused to let the industrilization touch their realm which is why nature is still so abundant there

Valley kind of had like a nature reserve so the people wouldn't think about all the light they were harvesting

Isle from the start warned against it all though. They clearly co-existed and probably disapproved of Prairie from the beginning. They retreated from the other realms and hid away

I think Vault may have also been indirectly involved in the harvesting so that they could store knowledge and excused it with the "for science!"

[unkempt rune]

Wait I don't know if you guys already said this, so the corruption (including the plants) could be from draining the creatures of all their light?

i.e the plants coming out of the pots the butterflies are trapped in

[icy wing]

Like a byproduct if you will, yes

Whatever wasn't harvested became plants and then eventually became krills when the crystals failed

[native galleon]

I also don’t think Prairie (and specifically its elder) was intentionally playing dumb. I think they genuinely cared for the animals and nature and believed in more sustainable practices, but also didn’t totally reject technology

Possibly bc they saw the benefits, and possibly bc of how Isle was treated when they took more of a hardline stance on the matter

[cold sparrow]

I think the realms represent not only in abstract the life of a person, but also the different stages of the kingdom

isle of dawn - the civilization before using light creatures and darkstone, crafting candles, living in tight-knit nomadic cultures
prairie - settling down in a location, developing workshops, crude technology, harvesting just what they need for their daily life
forest - developing the technology further, mining up the ground and chopping down trees in the name of progress
valley - civilization at its 'peak', with the best that the technology can provide, growing to rely on it
wasteland - demand outgrew supply, ancestors keep finding new methods and new technology to harvest the light that they need, while ignoring the damage it has on the animals and the environment, until it is impossible to ignore and unliveable even for ancestors themselves
vault - trying to catalogue and record whatever fond memories of the now-gone past, knowing that what has been lost can never be retrieved, but perhaps future generations can learn from it while current generations cling onto their last bit of hope and memories

[icy wing]

Also to support their industrilization, we know that the Forest kind of glorified light harvesting

There's that one spirit memory where miners would chase away the jellyfish for no reason until they realized that the jellyfish were still going to help them

[native galleon]

I can see mining being a very respected profession in Forest culture, like even if it’s dangerous it’s seen as noble and brave (and potentially very lucrative)
edit: obviously this would have changed a bit later on, but for most of their history i think this would be the case

[icy wing]

This is PERFECT

I think I'm going to make a whole doc on this later

Not to gatekeep or define lore, just to have everything that I at least personally think all in one place

Also I think Krills happened in the middle of the civil war that was going on.

The Two Embers trailer shows the shot of the krill flying over the army and them looking extremely confused and mildly terrified

[native galleon]

btw there’s a concept art piece that shows this, and the machine looks almost exactly like the one above ’s shrine.

[native galleon]

Also, making a doc is the opposite of gatekeeping! It’s good to have this so others can find out about it

[unkempt rune]

I highly agree with everything you said but for wasteland it feels like there's definitely way more to it's corruption than that it's just so barren and destroyed? Especially compared to vault right after it which is very technologicaly advanced

We see from the first memory when we join the game that the corrupt darkness was moving from Isle and onto the rest of the realms (since they're escaping isle to forest), why did the darkness start in Isle if it doesn't seem to have participated in the harvesting and therefore would have met the corruption/darkness last (unless them not harvesting enough light made them the least prepared)

We see in the war in GW it seems to be between the darkness rather than a civil war, why is it so bad once it hit GW then in vault it's so fine and dandy— then in Eden it's completely taken over

Also off topic but what even is Eden to the lore? what was it before? was it the realm for ancient darkness or something idek

[unkempt rune]

could you share it please?

[native galleon]

Ok fine, I’ll talk about the civil war. Yes, I think they were fighting against the dark creatures that were cropping up all over Wasteland, but there’s evidence of a schism between those who were for and against the harvesting of light and darkstone power production

[icy wing]

I think Golden Wasteland was a civil war that turned into a war between Ancestors and darkness

Because I know krills can't throw spears but we see some memories (like Remembrance Veteran or Aurora's Spirit Memory in Wasteland) of seeing people get speared

The only reason Vault is okay is because they used whatever magic they had or smthn to seal themselves off completely. I think that magic must have also malfunctioned (or overflowed) because of how... unreal Vault is

And because the Isle elder was completely shut off from all the other elders they probably had no idea what to do when the plants came and stuff

[unkempt rune]

I believe yall yes a civil war makes sense in the context of what we're talking about, could I get the evidence of it being a civil war? I genuinely only remember seeing evidence in the game of a war between GW and darkness

But based off what you're saying maybe the war was ongoing before the darkness reached wasteland, making it the least able to defend itself

Personally though I think cival war or not, the corruption must have originated from GW especially with what we know from abyss and the presence of this creature (Which I think is what krills were in nature before they were corrupted)

[cold sparrow]

wasteland is implied to once have contained a lot of industry, with all the pipes running through the wasteland, the giant transport ship that is beached in the crab fields, and the manta light extraction labs in the abyss area
it has obviously also been the center of a civil war of some sort - we see the remains of weaponry in the so called battlefield, and see scenes from that conflict in the aurora concert
this war has probably destroyed a lot of man-made structures that were there once and has only aggravated any pollution
but I think wasteland may also have been the epicenter of the worst pollution pre-downfall and civil war - aside from the eden shattering itself

[native galleon]

My thoughts on the war, heavily summarized #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[unkempt rune]

GW was definitely the one to have the most pollution it looks straight out of a factory scene from the lorax

[lucid bridge]

May I ask how you got there?

[native galleon]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message the og post that inspired a lot of my hcs

[unkempt rune]

The creature or my conclusion?

[native galleon]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message two shields theory stuff

[lucid bridge]

Creature, please

[unkempt rune]

This makes sense and is really easy to understand thank you

[unkempt rune]

It's in Abyss, you can find it by completing the quests but I think there's a bug where it casually floats the water

[cold sparrow]

in the aurora concert, we see a violent conflict between ancestors, with some aid by mantas (manta riders, perhaps)
there are shields with two distinct symbols around the wasteland
and in the memories of the season of remembrance - labeled as refugees from the turmoil in the kingdom (source: remembrance news post), we see more ancestor-on-ancestor violence, in the form of arrest of a seemingly innocent, having to sneak around guards in times of great need, and kingdom guards attacking someone - presumed a political opponent - with no regards for civil casualties

[icy wing]

Valley must have been the most powerful, having the most influential ancestors and considering it was decked out the most. It was the seat of power.

When Wasteland workers started to rebel, Valley must have tried to stop them. They had an organized military, and the Wasteland Elder could've been on either side of the conflcit. But the Wasteland people organized as well. But since the Valley military was more set up, the war was limited to the Golden Wasteland.

Forest Ancestors that may have joined the conflict split themselves between Wasteland and Valley depending on personal experiences.

Isle would've been long gone by this point, still isolated.

Prairie refrained from conflict as well

And I just realized, Vault is not as innocent as I bet they thought they were. In the Two Embers trailer, we them using books. But in Vault, we see memory lanterns. Those have to be powered by something....

[native galleon]

I think technically Eden might have been the seat of power? But Valley would have been the wealthiest realm and had a lot of influence

[unkempt rune]

So what I'm gathering from you guys is that Valley was using GW to get the maximum energy and that's why it was at it's peak while GW was not, and once the darkness started causing issues for GW and they had a war trying to tap out Valley got angy and it spread to a bigger break between the rest of the realms?

It seems like in this scenario GW didn't stand much of a chance since it's more like a poverty area with high demand, similar to third world countries which are completely polluted in trying to supply to richer ones

[icy wing]

Ah wait yeah you're probably right that's why Eden's even more messed up then Wasteland

And then in the middle of their civil war, BOOM. Krills. Big and small and angry and very very dangerous Krills. And suddenly, a lot of Ancestors agree that hey these may be a bigger threat

But at this point both armies are too weak (and probably still bickering about what to do btw) to do anything more then hold out to help refugees escape

[lucid bridge]

Vault uses a huge amount of dark crystals. I can see why anti-crystal soldiers would want to break into the place. But the Golden Wasteland and the Vault are especially important because they are the only way to get to Eden (unless you tried wandering in the desert, but that seems unsurvivable). Eden was the capitol of the land, it was where the king lived. To stop the destruction of the environment, you’d have to get to the king and convince him to either give up the throne or change the system that the kingdom runs on.

[native galleon]

Yeah basically, although I personally think what is now GW (and valley to a degree as well) would have had a range of people across classes, Valley seems like it was probably wealthier

[lucid bridge]

Yes, I agree.

[unkempt rune]

When sky is casually pointing out real world problems and we just greedily want wax from the ruins 💀

[native galleon]

I actually think the Vault would have been mostly left alone. For one, because the refugees are there, but also because it’s like. A library

Like yeah, they use the crystals a lot, but they’re not the ones taking up arms to protect it yk?

[icy wing]

Vault shut down which is why refugees went there I think

Now I under, what if the Krills came because the anti-crystal soldiers broke any crystals they could get their hands on, not realizing the very fatal side effects of all that darkness being released at once

Perhaps the reason krills didn't exist before is because while darkness was around, it was never in such great numbers simultaneously

But all the crystals being destroyed in such a short amount of time coalesced into what we now know as krills

[lucid bridge]

That’s why I love the GW so much. There’s so much environmental storytelling, and I also like the industrial look. It’s a dark place, but very interesting.

[lucid bridge]

That’s an interesting theory I sort of just assumed Krills arose from corrupted mantas living in dark water, or from the ashes of mantas depleted of light

[native galleon]

Also, from the GW perspective, preserving history and knowledge might have been seen as a more reasonable use of resources than say, ski lifts and fancy spinning decorations

[unkempt rune]

I wish we had more of an understanding to what Eden is originally, we don't get answers in the songs

[icy wing]

Perhaps a mix of all of those at once?

Mantas depleted of light
Crystals being broken left and right
Hosts (those transport creatures from Two Embers) right there for the taking
Must've meant Krills in the making

Edit: yikes I just made a poem

[lucid bridge]

I like it hehe

[cold sparrow]

the Two Embers animation will likely give us some answers to that

[lucid bridge]

Also, I support the theory that refugees hid in the vault because the GW temple (entrance to the vault) has turrets sticking out of the king towers. I assume for shooting light creatures and krills.

[native galleon]

continuing this, Valley would have had a genuine need for darkstone power, like they have pretty harsh terrain and entire buildings suspended in air with giant crystals. But they had a lot of frivolous usage as well, which can’t have been a good look.

[lucid bridge]

Ooooh yes I agree

[icy wing]

I bet initially Valley justified all of the darkstone power to be able to survive in their environment

But when they had an excess of that power they were like "why not?"

[cold sparrow]

almost like real life

[native galleon]

i mean look at the final dreams quest, it’s rampant

[icy wing]

Looks pretty though I loved that quest

[lucid bridge]

Miracles can only exist through tragedy

[unkempt rune]

I bet they used this line against GW when they rebelled as well— "How will we survive? We need this light/energy to live through the terrarian and sustain ourselves" while leaving out the part where much of it is going to races and games at the expense of overworking GW and leading to over harvesting

[icy wing]

100%

Also I'm looking at the Remembrance spirit quest memories and I think Tiptoing Tea Brewer's must have happened in Forest

I think Forest kind of didn't really wanna fight but because Valley lost their main source of production, Wasteland, they kept a tight grip on Forest (via things like lockdowns which is why the Tea Brewer had to sneak out to get herbs)

Made sure that no light sympathizers joined the fight and that production kept going

[native galleon]

Triumph comes at a price

[unkempt rune]

Valley is so stinky

[native galleon]

I’ve also had a similar thought tbh. My only question would be how/why would they go to the Vault, through hostile territory and then an active war zone, when they could have run away to Prairie or something

[native galleon]

it’s so damn interesting tho my problematic fave

[icy wing]

AYO wait I just realized I think Wounded Warrior was a pro-darkstone soldier... showing that some of the the pro-light turned to violent actions that were unnecessary and probably stopped any of the other realms from showing any support

[unkempt rune]

I think GW is more interesting tbh i hope the animation goes into detail about the war and suffering the rebels went through— initially I'm sure valley did a great job villainizing GW to the other realms while victimizing themselves
Me personally I would never have thought on my own that Valley would have been the cause of the war and expediting all the corruption, I would have believed that it was all Wastelands fault and they singlehandedly ruined everything

[native galleon]

Nope, they got a sun shield, also they were a victim in that memory

Bereft Veteran, on the other hand… look at that prop they got

[icy wing]

Huh that's odd their friend looked a lot like they had a darkstone symbol on their cape

[native galleon]

Now why does a windchime need to be suspended in midair when you have a perfectly good tree in your front yard

[native galleon]

it’s not the capes, it’s the shields. there are a lot of variations of the diamond symbol and not all of them are the same as the one on the shields

[icy wing]

Ahh alright thanks didn't catch that

[native galleon]

I don’t think they were the cause of the war, I think they’d probably just be reacting to their circumstances. like they might not even want to fight, they’d probably be content to just keep the status quo, but there’s a pesky rebellion that they feel threatened by

[icy wing]

OH

[native galleon]

yeah. funnily enough, someone bringing that up was one of the things that sent me down this rabbit hole and 9 months later i’m still in it

[cold sparrow]

to be fair, bereft veteran is probably no more at fault at a civil war and downfall of civilization than someone having a tv in their home
the veteran is just enjoying life standards as they know them
the veteran's story is rather showing another side of loss - losing your own child to a violent conflict hurts, no matter what 'side' you are on

like, the season of remembrance doesn't focus on who was right or wrong
it's just telling the stories of a handful of survivors
it wasn't individuals like this that caused the war or downfall, that was just an inevitability of the society and progress as a whole

[native galleon]

oh absolutely. I don’t mean to imply that they were evil for participating in society as they knew it. No one is really evil here, it’s just unfortunate circumstances and power imbalances exacerbating them

[native galleon]

No one truly wins in war. One side clearly came out better off, but neither got what they wanted, and lives were destroyed in the process. I think Remembrance shows that.

[cold sparrow]

yes, that!

[unkempt rune]

Yes cause is a poor choice if words since they weren't really putting their own selves at risk for it but they're definitely not the victims/"good" side in it, at the very least they could have compromised with the rebels to lessen the excess amount of energy they were taking to just enough to sustain themselves instead they were going "grrr they take away my toys time to go bully forest and everyone into siding with me so gw keeps giving me stuff"

[icy wing]

100%

Interesting now to think about how Remembrance showcased most sides of the conflict
A soldier from the pro-light
A father of a soldier of the pro-dark
A child of a political prisoner taken away by soldiers
A neutral person who isn't able to save their friend in time due to the war (had they been able to speed up instead of tiptoing around the soldiers)

[native galleon]

although keep in mind the bereft veteran thing is just speculation

[icy wing]

Ain't no way that's not a darkstone symbol though

[cold sparrow]

bereft veteran does get the final notice by a soldier that looks a lot like some official kingdom guard, and not some rebel faction, iirc

[native galleon]

Yeah it’s not a symbol tho, it’s like having a TV in your house like someone said. They could have been on the sun side for all we know. I just think it makes sense, and would add to the season’s message, if they were actually on the other side

Ok i am getting off my soapbox and going to bed

[icy wing]

Thank you so much everyone this is some of the most fun I've had discussing ideas in ages, I appreciate the mental stimulation

[unkempt rune]

Comeback anytime I love all your guys ideas and the new information on things I never noticed before

[grim horizon]

LORE CHAT LORE CHAT I AM VERY EXCITED RIGHT NOW I WISH THIS SEASON OF PERFORMANCE CONCEPT ART WERE REAL
is this allowed in here btw

[native galleon]

yes it’s allowed! it also happens to be quite relevant to the previous convo

ok NOW i’m going to bed

[cold sparrow]

I mean, it sort of became real with Aurora

[grim horizon]

YES BUT LIKE PERFORMING WITH SPIRITS I WANT TO DO THAT MORE OFTEN
IT MADE ME FEEL SO HAPPY WHEN I GOT TO DO IT W SKATER GIRL FROM DREAMS SEASON CUZ I MISS PERFORMING MYSELF AND I DONT EVEN DO IT NO MORE
shuts up

[sharp lichen]

Performance 2, Aurora edition

You can even see the little emote bubbles (I think?) in the background

[coral bramble]

Has anyone figured out the eden king yet?

[hushed steeple]

Lorechat, where did I get this?

[hushed steeple]

Nvm I found it. Its in the "from journey to sky" presentation pin.

[lucid bridge]

I think what it is is that he was a child of light (pure light?) who fell from space and guided + led the sky kingdom to glory. He ruled from Eden and wanted to ascend back to the light. Some of the ancestors got sick of his rule destroying the environment and tried to stop it, leading to violent internal conflicts. Eventually he and the elders tried to make a huge crystal or smth and in the process destroyed eden and made that huge red crystal.

[coral bramble]

Cool!

[lucid bridge]

Ikr? It’s a pretty rockin story

[low grove]

wait so what are the crystals in the prairie peaks? are they the opposite of the shards?

[lucid bridge]

They are the naturally occurring dark crystals. They also appear in the hidden forest. The ancestors found out that they absorb light and figured out how to charge these crystals with more light in the crystal factories.

The naturally occurring ones only absorb a little amount of light; that’s why they sparkle. The ancestors refined them and turned them into batteries of greater and greater strength.

[lucid bridge]

In the hidden forest, they appear during the “All is Soft Inside” AURORA quest. There’s none in the modern day. Maybe they mined all of them and had to resort to manufacturing them artificially.

[hushed steeple]

Oh yeah, I remember these

[grim python]

nah, there’s a few left in the moments area. It’s implied the majority of them were mined tho, especially in areas like abyss
wait I read this wrong nvm I thought u meant there was none left anywhere

[hushed steeple]

Forest is the first place where the art of crystal making was discovered, so they've been diging for a looooong time. Eventually as the easy to find darkstone got used up, they started diging more intencly, until there was preaty much nothing left. Thats why there are so many caverns and tunnels all over the place.
Its possible that the older mines got modefied and repurpised into tunnels that conected the different regions of the kingdom

Also, I dont know if anybody has seen this peace of concept art. Its got a lot on potentially interesting lore bits to analyse

[low grove]

thank youuu

[hushed steeple]

Admtidly there would have been changes to sky since between lounch and when this was made, but it still got some things that might be worth analysing

Like this part here. We never see what happenes when we land in sky, only the aftermath, but in this version it shows how apon landing it looks very similar to a child of light (wing lights), and then over time it "MATERIALIZIS", creating a body that houses the keeps safe the light within.

Something similar proably happened with the prince

[drifting heath]

Ngl I feel like eden elder would be like a small child who just wanted attention from the other elders but never got any and ended up creating eden and blah blah blah lore stuff

[sharp lichen]

too much attention is just as bad as too little, though

[native galleon]

yeah, i think they would had a lot of attention and pressure placed on them as a child and it can’t have been good for them

[deft rune]

Heeeeyyyyy this has probably been answered before but I am curious. What exactly is the eye of Eden and how did it get there? I know the elders fell bc of it but why?

[sharp lichen]

the eye of Eden is a mountain, but then diamond you see in PNR exploded and caused darkness to spew out

that's the TLDR version

[deft rune]

Ok so like is it almost like the heart of the mountain that came out?

[empty needle]

Hey lore chat I have a question
Do you guys have any idea of how some of the spirits died?

[drifting heath]

Ooo I remember this lore :0

[dense inlet]

I have many ideas on how the spirits and Sky civilization have died. One of my ideas is that the Abyss crew got into a shipwreck and drowned, Cackling Cannoneer died first by being killed by the king krill/leviathan

Sorry for the cold ping

[full ridge]

other day I saw someone commenting about the starlight desert being on the other side of the continent of Sky world (because of how far it is from Eden)

But now that made me realize something, where the honk Sanctuary Islands are?

[pastel brook]

[deft rune]

That’s really cool actually. So that’s why the elders fell and all.

[hushed steeple]

Neh, your asumptions were preaty acurate.

The wind paths are preaty much "fast travel" ( when games skiping travel time between region)
you dont just reach all those realms so quickly in universe.

Think about it. You can already see parts of the caves of Forest or the mountains of Valley and all the other regions when going into the paths.
That makes absolutly no sence with how big the game maps are and how they are destributed.

Its not something that should be taken TOO literaly

I think the idea of an great sea that conects the the earlyer realms makes a lot of sence. It would deffinetly make the world more natural and larger then if it was all a line, and it would explain how so many realms are conected

Also, I know many people dont like useing the game map as acurate geography ( and you shouldent as its very figurative), but the general shape does kinda make sence.
To some extent it always reminded me of the roman empire and the Mediteranian🤔

All these regions conected by a central sea that alowed travel and trade

Of course for sky it would be much wider and more open on one side😅

[deft rune]

So question, you capitalize the L when you said the Light. I’m curious what do you mean by that?

[hushed steeple]

Im asuming there makeing a destinction between
-light (just general light)
-The Light ( the great force that gives life to all being in the world, from which all souls come from and eventually return)

You are absolutly right ( I was just about to talk about that now)

There would be no need a massive shipyard otherwise, and trade would be crucial for maintaining prosperery in a kingdom this size

We do see smaller traiding boats being also sent in one of the memories, and we also see that cargo in sancruary

I like to imagine that sanctually might have been one of the stops the Waistland traiders would make on the way to Dailight

Getting the light jars for there factorys directly insted of having to be transported through forest and Valley makes a lot of sence

Yes I know that the memory wasnt about what I said😅

Just makeing a conection between those boats and the ones in sanctuary

I just asumed those boats probably had a different use before the war started

Dont be sorry😅
Missinformation can spread easaly, so its good to be acurate with what your saying☺️

The sanctually boats hold a special place in my heart, as they were the very first big theory I come up with 2 years ago, and I get more conformation for it as time goes on😋

The story I come up with a long time ago was that they were part of a much bigger traiding fleat that was headed towards Dailight

The plague of darkness had infected the cargo and then and crew, but they had already set sail before they knew.

They had hoped that in dailight they would find help, but it become clear that this was much too sereous😰

The captain knew that by the time they reach Dailight, they would bring great darkness in the land.

While they still had there sanity, he ordered that boats to crash in sanctuary, and burry the tainted light deep inside the island.

For his final act, he ordered that all the man, the captain included, must sacrefice themselfs and be buried with everuthing else, to stop the plague from doing any more damage then it already did

.
.
.
Admitadly I dont know if this story could fit within the actual sky timeline now😅

When the anination comes out, I might rewrite it into a proper sky tail

[rapid latch]

I just realised something
Eden is a cyclone

The Eden we see is only its eye, hence the name
Eye of Eden

[rapid latch]

It probably developed in the sea surrounding Eden. When it reached Eden, it didn’t become a depression or die down. It must’ve stayed due to moisture from the ground.

The ultra-powerful, extremely severe winds spread the corruption, and the diamond sustained the storm.

The sky in Eden suggests it being a cyclone as well.

The winds in Eden swirl and rotate around a single, central area.

[empty needle]

It’s alright
Just very curious about how the other spirits died
Some are a bit obvious but most of their deaths are a bit of a mystery to me

[dense inlet]

I have headcanons regarding the deaths of spirits it's for angst
Some are obvious, yes while some are implied (I think some are)

[empty needle]

Yea
I also wonder if the spirits remember their past life before they died

[icy wing]

What if the Cackling Canoneer was krilled by the King Krill and the crew spent a long time searching for them before dying themselves another way (and if they left the Reef, they spent the rest of their life in guilt over not being able to find them)

When you relive their memories, you bring their spirits rest not only by hearing them but showing them what happened and reuniting them after death?

[dense inlet]

That also makes sense and is very sad. I headcanon that Cackling Cannoneer is very reckless in terms of adventuring which brought himself to his death. Though, I believe that the crew died in Treasure Reef. Cackling Cannoneer went first (killed by the leviathan) and the crew died in a shipwreck.

I think the shipwreck happened during what I call is the Tragedy (when everything went downhill in the civilization of Sky) and the Abyss crew decided to look for greener pastures. They didn't find greener pastures, but they found the bottom of the sea floor

[empty needle]

Still kind of wondering if they can even remember their past lives and how they died
Do they even remember their own names??

[icy wing]

That is quite possible. Personally, I always thought they were a group of survivors after the Tragedy, maybe from another realm. That's why a lot of their season quests were about scavenging, it could be that's what they were doing there in the Reef. Then everything happened as you said, the Cannoneer was krilled and the rest of the crew died guilty knowing they never found them

[icy wing]

Personally, I don't think they remember their whole life before death. It seems more like they remember really big or impactful parts that made them the unique Ancestor they are.

When you relive their memories, you hear their stories. As some people say, no one is truly dead until they are forgotten. I think that's what we do as Sky kids. We keep their memories alive through experiencing them and the way we express ourselves (emotes) in that way we put them to rest so they can move on

[dense inlet]

I think they do remember their past lives. I'm imagining how panicked the other crew members felt when they found out Cackling Cannoneer went missing again which may imply a replay of his death.

[empty needle]

Okay but what about the other spirits other than the Abyss crew

[dense inlet]

I still think they do remember their past lives. That's just what I think

[icy wing]

I think some of the seasons show you not just hearing their stories but actively helping put them to rest like Abyss or Remembrance

The spirits of the crew were obviously a tight knit group and even after death still felt guilt of never finding their friend

[icy wing]

By the way just wanted to say love this theory, it would definitely explain the shards and how the darkness plants are everywhere

[sharp lichen]

It’s probably a case by case basis depending on which area they were in

[sharp lichen]

“Eye” could also mean center, which makes me think the entire world used to be called Eden

[native galleon]

ooh and lets not forget that anxious angler made it from wasteland to sanctuary on a boat in days of nature

sometimes i think about them and cannoneer and how they probably never saw anywhere so full of life during their lifetimes

[hushed steeple]

Ooooh, thank you so much.
It really means a lot☺️

But yeah, I come up with this 2 years ago, so I dont expect it to fit in with everything new that was added☺️

I still think the bases holds up, just the detales that need to be changed, but I want to wait until more stuff comes out to write down the story proper

I think I'll call it....
"The last voyage of the..."

Hmmm....what would be a good name🤔

Say Color
You know of a good name I can give the main ship that the captain steared?

I might choose Down treader, but that names already taken😅

Wait.....
The Manate🤔

The final voyage of Manate
Not bad

Great
Once we see what Waistland was like before and dureing the war, I can get to writing this " Sky children of the Light" short story

Hmmmmmm.....
Maby the full trailer that will probably come out in November might give us a better glimps🤔

Oooh, thanks

Who knows, I might make an anthology.
Tiny storys that cover my theorys ...

But....Im not shure If I have the writing skills to pull something like that😅😅

Hey....wait....I think I have an unfinished (non canon) story about sky in my google doc somewhere...🤔

You wanna see😅

No problem
If you wanna see just give me a call☺️

Replay to this message with a "Lets here it"😅

Oh, that was fast😅

Ok, just keep in mind this is unfinished...and also describing a cutscene

It starts with an arial pan of the battlefild, showing diferent areas and lingering on a menecing shot of the towers.

Only sound is the blowing of the wind, and then the sound of awakening krill in the distance as we slowly pan down to see a small group of skykids entering the temple, the gate shuting with behind them right as a krill was prepearing to charge.

Withing the temple the kids rest for some time before contining on there journey
(Lighting the candles, preying infron of the oltar and getting the blessing of the elder)

Most of that is in the background however, as the scene focuses on one of the kids who wondered off in the temple for a bit, and purely by acident spots something depper in the ruins of the temple.

.
.
As the dore that leads to Voult opens, the kids notice one of them is missing.
They call for him, and he calls back, leading them through the less traveled parts of the temple, and to a dore in the wall that he just opened.

Now all of them cureous, the group travel up a long flight of stone stares to an area nobudy has seen before, and that they dont fully understand.
Some of the constructs and archetecture in the chamber do remind them of elements they've seen in the waistland factorys/ abyss and some of the crystal tech, but nobudy understands any of it.

.
.
Inside the chamber there is also a huge crystal, but it totaly devoid of all energy.

They start looking around and touching stuff, and a few of then use there light to turn on some swiches.

(Dramatic music kicks in)

The place lights up, and the children become scared. In the chaos of the moment, they all acidentally find themselfs in a chamber surounded by butterfly pots and cages

For a short moment we see light particless starting to come out of the children ( kinda like recharging on light bloom, but growing more intence), and then the scene moves outside the chamber, where it slowly starts to light up, and a trail of gold moves through thine tubes toward the area with the huge crystal.
The crystal starts to spin faster and faster, unknown constructs also spining around it.

.
.
Above the crystal a pair of small curcular gates open in the cealing, revealing an opening, and at peak intencity a beam of blue light shoots from the crystal into the hole in the roof.

From outside the temple we see a feint blue glow about the curcets of the tower, moveing up towards what we now see as a cannon.
The cannon starts to creek, dust falling from the first motion in over a century.
Suddenly......

Aaaand thats about it for now😅
What do you think so far?

I know right😅
For the rest of it Im kinda imagening the canon fires at nowhere, and its noticed by other sky kids that are in waistland, but nobudy figures out what really happened

A few days later, another group comes through the castle, doing the usual ritual and passing into Voult

They go on, as we slowly zoom up.....through the rouf and up forgoten stairs, until we come back in the chamber

There to this day, among the ruble, old quipment and the bones and remains of light creatures, lie the broken masks and lifeless bodies of the children

THE END

Hope so too😅
Im not really shure if this story can be considered remotly canon, but I was going more for vibes and dramatic imagery here😅

Granted if I do end up makeing more of these, this will be more like episode 0, and the "Last voyage of the Manate" is episode 1 proper

That is...
IF!!!
I end up makeing more of these

You wouldent happen to have any ideas that might make cool story's😅

Im thinking a lot of these would be more slice of life, telling very simple short story's that would still touch on lore bits....
Like, things that happened between all the canon storys of sky

Well that, but other stuff too

Like you got a simple short chapter dealing with someone in Valley or Waistland, but the background stuff going on is.....

[sharp lichen]

this is so good

[hushed steeple]

Well you know how in some Tv shows and movie prequals, something happenes that doesnt seam all that big, but with you knowing the full story and the music that play you go....
Oooh, this is leading up go this thing😅

Well like that

[hushed steeple]

Really
Thanks so much😅

[sharp lichen]

Why not post it in something like ao3, to preserve it

[hushed steeple]

Ao3?....
Is that similar to Wattpad?

Oh, I guess that could work...😅
Hmmmm...you know....now Im thinking maby I should do something like that🤔

Now Im just gonna have to wait for new ideas, those dont come easaly😅

[icy ermine]

okay quick question for lorechat
Do we count the poem things from skyshop products as information?

Alright cool so according to Manta Plush one day in sky is 1 irl year

One year on earth goes by.
Waltz through the clouds,
Uncover the ancient land.
United by brave hearts,
With Manta in flight.
Savor each moment,
Gliding with delight.```

[hushed steeple]

Wait, what is this from?

[sharp lichen]

Yes, it's a fanfiction sharing site, it does take a while to sign up but you can do so here: there is even a sky category where you can view other people's sky fanfictions, including mine

https://archiveofourown.org/invite_requests

https://archiveofourown.org/tags/Sky: Children of the Light (Video Game)/works

[icy ermine]

https://thatskyshop.com/products/manta-plush-38?pr_prod_strat=use_description&pr_rec_id=539e90ead&pr_rec_pid=7889730961576&pr_ref_pid=7889729552552&pr_seq=uniform

[hushed steeple]

Oh, thanks for telling me☺️

To be honest Im kinda shy about publishing my stuff, so I really apreciate the suport☺️

[sharp lichen]

i'm wondering if it's a more metaphorical meaning that says that time passes much slowly in Sky then in the real world

[native galleon]

you have great ideas tho!!

[hushed steeple]

Well, I need more of them if Im gonna make this a proper series😅

[native galleon]

ofc i get that! you can always start small if you want

[sharp lichen]

@compact shale this is your cue

No, but it’s a mystery

A good mystery

[hushed steeple]

And now, a krill poem

In empty lands, I hunt my prey
In empty lands, I sow dismay
For all shell fear my pearcing sight
For all shell cower, who bear the light

[normal canopy]

What is the backstory of the original Spirits and the crab and Dark Dragon? How did the Child come there and what made it come to the world in the first place and why are the spirits trapped?

What is the backstory of the original Spirits and the crab and Dark Dragon? How did the Child come there and what made it come to the world in the first place and why are the spirits trapped? I wonder what happened before Sky? How did the spirits come to be and how did the child of light was brought to be the main character? Who created the realms? Who found out that the light would free them?

[hushed steeple]

Well thats a lot of questions
But in chrological order

-The world was given life to by "The Light", a force that is the sorce of all light and life in the universw
All souls are born from it, and all souls eventually return to it.
It is our reunion with The Light that allows us (and all light creatures) to be reincarnated

[hushed steeple]

The "spirits" were once "the ancesters", the preveous race of people who lived in the world of sky before the begining of the game

They were born as all living things from The Light, given birth by starlight.

It was by there hands that the kingdoms of sky were built, and it was by there actions and choices that they were destroyd.

All that remains of them now are spirits, who atill managed to linger when the race died out

[normal canopy]

How do they came to be and the crab and dragon?

If we freed them already why do we have to again?

The spirits and children

[hushed steeple]

Gameplay loop really😅
There is only one animation for everything weather its your 1st or 10th time doing it😅

[normal canopy]

So I guess they specifically go to Eden on purpose themselves so we can free them

[hushed steeple]

One needs to go through eden to be reborn
All sky creatures take part in this migration at the end of there life

[normal canopy]

So the spirits die too and respawn in Eden 😭

[hushed steeple]

Like I said, thats just gameplay loop
I dont think that happenes in universe

[normal canopy]

Huh 🤔

[hushed steeple]

Also, the spirits are already dead, so that makes little difference to them😅

[normal canopy]

Are they alive?

[hushed steeple]

No they are not
There spirits
The spirits of the extinct ancrster race

I already told you this😅

[normal canopy]

Were they alive?

[hushed steeple]

Yes, they were once the ancester race🤣
They lived, and they died out

[normal canopy]

So Humans 🤣

[nimble ingot]

I digress given the game acknowledges the player repeating the loop with saying this on their first rebirth: "The real Journey starts here..."

Saving the fallen and ascending the spirits cannot be done in one ascend, even if you would do so on your first playthrough with the latest update.

This form of progression can be a gameplay aspect just as much as it can arguably be a lore event for your skykid.

[hushed steeple]

The human equivelent in the sky universe
Just as light creatures are the equivelent of animals

[nimble ingot]

They were once alive.

But they are now spirits.

The only living creatures in Sky are light creatures, (debatably) skykids, (also debatable with the canon) the Little Prince and Aurora.

[pastel brook]

You're a part of the Isle of Dawn where the light comes from the dark 🕯️

[nimble ingot]

Why, thank you bot.
That is one of the few things I would agree with.

[normal canopy]

Where do the spirits originate from before becoming spirits

[nimble ingot]

They could be considered humans in relation to their Sky world (their reality), just as we homosapiens are humans to Earth.

The ancestors are different to Earthling humans, albeit they do have their similarities.

[normal canopy]

What is the Crabs and Dragons Origin?

[hushed steeple]

From the Light!!!!
Born of starlight!!!🤣

They were created thousends of years ago, and they build everything that was ever built in sky

[normal canopy]

Where did the light come from???

[full ridge]

The Light is a deity, basically God

[hushed steeple]

Form THE LIGHT
the origin of all light and life

The thing we fly towards when we are reborn

The higher power that created the world

I alteady explained this before😅

[normal canopy]

So the light is just a light comes from itself

[hushed steeple]

It is also know as Megabird, if you dont want to get confused😅

It is something like a god, but not really

[normal canopy]

So a religion??

[hushed steeple]

Yes only real😂

[nimble ingot]

(moth be wholesome with the questions )

The spirits are bound to the memories of their former lives. They cannot pass on because of the darkness. Us skykids help them ascend.
It is uncertain where the living ancestors came from. One possible theory could be they traveled from a far away place. Another is they arrived in a similar way the light creatures do (born from The Light). Another possible theory (one I refuse to elaborate on for obvious reasons) is they give birth to children

Crabs are light creatures. Some (if not most of them) were corrupted and became dark creatures.
Dark dragons are canonically Corrupted Light Creatures.

[normal canopy]

Thank you!! 🙏 I Hope I Will understand what comes after Sky and if Sky made another one what will it look like

I wish that We had a season of the Past

[nimble ingot]

"...if Sky made another one..."

you are welcome, sorry to ask 😅
what do you mean by this?

[nimble ingot]

We might in the future.

there is seasons of Prophecy, Passage and Remembrance.

[normal canopy]

A season Of the spirits in their childhood years and life

I wonder if there will be a light dragon??

[nimble ingot]

Not in the game currently. However the lore of the game certainly does suggest this used to be the case, given the Dark Dragons were corrupted in the calamity

[viral bay]

I'd say that the crabs are more neutral creatures since there are many uncorrupted crabs in Sanctuary, elevated area, and graveyard. Light creatures recharge us, while neutral creatures don't.

[abstract finch]

who are the statues in eden? and why are there none in other realms that have experienced a similar level of decimation, such as the wasteland?

[unkempt pond]

the statues are implied to be other skykids who didn't make it
hence why when you save them they come with you to orbit/etc

[real torrent]

I added color ✍️
King resh and the being of light ✨
I think the tree is something important since we don’t see trees with leaves.
It appeared in the aurora concert and also memories from spirits.
I don’t know the story I’m guessing someone burnt and cut them off 👀

[hushed steeple]

This thing is absolutly beautifull😍😍😍

I dont care how conon this is, couse this thing needs to be apreciated

The white tree is also a great touch, as we see a white saplings as missions, and on ocasion see a white tree apear for seasonal events

[hushed steeple]

Ps, that light being looks a lot like the "Child of light" girl

[real torrent]

What’s this? From a comic?

[hushed steeple]

Video game
I though you took inspiration from this, since the girls looked a bit similar with the long hair and crown😅

My mistake

[real torrent]

It does look alike 🤭

[compact shale]

Hello, Viksa! May I dm you?

[hushed steeple]

Oh shure😁

Am, I didnt do anything wrond did I😥
Listen, a bit of sensored swearing is necesery to get the point across

[compact shale]

you didn't, don't worry

[hushed steeple]

Whats up budy

[hushed steeple]

Am...you there😅
Do we talk in private?😅

[compact shale]

Yea, I sent you a message

[hushed steeple]

….omg

Wait i am quitted

Nvm bye

[rugged stump]

Do we know why some of the portals resemble megaliths, like in Stonehenge

[hushed steeple]

I think its just esthetics really.
The portals invoke something anchant and mystical,

[marble pasture]

kay, i aam not a theorist but there are a few things i have seen in a few theories that are inconsistent with the game, so I'll point out some small details and y'all can make up your own conclusions

1. the character in the murals who is theorized to be the king has the same basic aspects as or player character, mostly shape and the presence of yellow
2. in the cave of prophecies, we can see the king's journey through the trials that would determine who would become the king (like the sword in the stone story), by the end of it, shortly after he received the signature star symbol, we can already see a krill flying around
3. the kid found in one of the isle of dawn's spirit memories is theorized to be a sky kid, but the ancestors were still alive, maybe golden children (previously known as stars instead of winged light) are the ones falling from constellations, which kinda conflicts with the realm constellations
4. aurora quests, are they canon in some way? because I'm pretty sure there are some conflicting images between the quests and the concert (the seed for example)
   4,1. the isle of dawn aurora quest SEEMS to depict the king in his childhood, we can clearly see in a mural that he is leaving the island on a boat, and this quest shows him running after departing floating boats

[hushed steeple]

4.1 Im dont think its the king/prince in that one.
That seams to just be an early incarnation of sky kid, or possibly a newly incarnated ancester

To be honest this part is very confusing to me, and Im hoping the animation will clear things up

[marble pasture]

i don't think ancestors are born like that, given the surprise of the two spirits and the color difference
and let's be honest, if there is one thing that matters in sky lore, it's color

[hushed steeple]

1 well yeah.
They original child of light eventually took the same form as the sky kids would eventually take once he fully materialised

[hushed steeple]

2 Thats an interesting point, though Im not shure if that was maby something that was added later on🤔

[hushed steeple]

3 sky kids and children of light pribably looked the same after materialising

Or perhaps what makes you a sky kid is mearly in which era you incarnated to earth, and the prince was likely quite similar to us in those days before he become the king

[hushed steeple]

4 I dont think they clash at all.
They just show different moments form different periods of sky history

[marble pasture]

i am not trying to provoke you or to be rude, but try seeing the concert version and the quest version of "the seed"
as far as i remember, one of them had light creatures and the other just had ancestors and krills
maybe they complement each other at some points, but there is some information clashing
as far as i remember though, i might be wrong

[hushed steeple]

The seed is the Waitland memory right?

Honestly they dont contradict each other at all.
In one we see the war begween the anceaters in full swing, while in the other we see the final remnents of the armis just bearly surviving from the conflict between each other and the krill

The sky creatures is just us experiancing the shadows of the past

[marble pasture]

okay, I'll try to take a look at it again later to check 👍

[hushed steeple]

this is the kind of stuff that you see in the memory

and this is what you see in the concert

Boath of them show the war, just at differnet moments with different characters

Oooo, thats an exalant point.
I didnt quite put that together

It does make sence with the theory that Aurora is an aspect of The Light, who is in some way a part of all light creatures, as they would contribute there memories to it apon reincarnation

[marble pasture]

okay, i just wanted to point out the lack and the presence of light creatures, that has been bugging me
the presence of them might indicate that the civil war was because of light creatures like... people who want to exploit them (as we see in warrior of love) and people who want to live along with them (kinda like in the prairie village)

((as i said, I'm not a theorist, so take what i say with a grain of salt))

[hushed steeple]

Well...yeah
That was kinda the whole point of the war😅

It started as creatures vs ancesters and continued into pro king vs pro light creatures ancesters

[hushed steeple]

Ps. Sorry for sounding so confrontational. It was not my intention to do so😅

[marble pasture]

don't worry, you don't sound confrontational, this is a discussion about a really complicated lore, it's understandable

[sharp lichen]

The Isle of Dawn quest is probably depicting the child version of Running Wayfarer, because all the other memories seem to focus on the spirits as well

[hushed steeple]

Team its Prince because the season icon is his face and the final mural also looks like the icon

[sharp lichen]

????

Unless it’s like the prince after being obliterated in Eden

[hushed steeple]

Nah, I meant

And maybe if you squint a little-

[sharp lichen]

Well yeah, but 4.1 was talking about Aurora

[hushed steeple]

We also absolutely know for sure its not a modern day skykid because this little figure was seen on eden mountain with no castle-

Oh. Aurora.

I thought yall replying to thing way earlier today 🫠

[sharp lichen]

Kami when everything isn’t about the king

[hushed steeple]

OMG

i just fudn an og veteran..WRONG LORE CHATBYE

[lucid bridge]

The floating islands in the prairie float using the same crystals that the buildings in the valley use to float, just in its natural form

[jaunty sandal]

Uh… Two Edens?

[icy wing]

It's an in game glitch iirc

[jaunty sandal]

I figured lol

[hushed steeple]

So would that mean there's darkstones ore inside the islands, which lets them fly?

Hmmmmmmmm.....
This theory might have posibility, though there is not enough data to call it eather way🤔🤔🤔

Still, this is something that deserves further resurch

[sharp lichen]

I think they can float both artificially and naturally

I think the Sky world has less gravity, so almost anything can float in the air

But the Ancestor Spirits couldn’t, so they built their own ways of floating in the air, such as boats

[sharp lichen]

Chen predicts a full decade of support for Sky, which means six more years of events and features to go.

[lucid bridge]

I agree that there must be less gravity in Skyworld.

We know that dark crystal ore occurs naturally in the world, which the ancestors mined and charged with energy to use as batteries. I think that the floating islands in the prairie are a special geological feature where they are rich in dark crystal ore and thus naturally fly.

[marble pasture]

DAMN!
do you think anything that was shown in "7 days of sky" will make it into the game in these 6 years?
because there are some really interesting things there

[sharp lichen]

Liv, fire the golden valley image

[marble pasture]

what?

[smoky crest]

Hello

[hushed steeple]

I dont think the lower gravity a factor in why the islands in sanctuary float

Unless the gravity is 0, an object is gonna fall to the ground eventually even if its super slow.
Even haveing the winds hold them up wouldent make sence since
1 Theres no way the islands would stay at the same point for centurys without drifting or wobling
2 Haveing gravity so week that winds hold up stone islands would make walking, runing and falling like we see in the game inposible ( everything would be floating like your on the Moon😅)

The gravity could still be weaker...but not by much

The islands floating can only be the resoult of light energy, especially since thats its most comman effect in the world

The only question (like you said☺️), is it...

1 Arteficial ( some kind of crystal technology or permanent spell by the ancesters holding it, like we see in Valley and later regions)

2 Natural
A unique resoult of the abandone light energy resonatong with the rocks ( or possinly darkstone ore within them) that lets them levetate

[soft timber]

I do believe that there was several people here that say that there is some kind of crystal technology or natural crystals that keep the island floating, but I also heard that there is a powerful spell similar to the low gravity spell Skykids use that make the islands float

[hushed steeple]

Precisely☺️
Thats what I was getting to with my post

I just wanted to organise all the resonable theorys in one place

[soft timber]

Google docs would help!

[hushed steeple]

It would
But Im waiting for the animated series
I dont want to make deffinetive clames if I dont have proper evidence or good reason behind my theorys
Its just my style☺️

[hushed steeple]

yeah, I do see the resemblence😅

Though to be fair, that symbol/patern had already existed long before the time king ever exited
I think the king ended up apropriated that symbol for his own uses, modefying it into one to represent himself and the authorety of the kingdom, rather The Light and traditions of the pre crystal ages

[marble pasture]

important question that might drastically change the lore 🗣️
did the dark creatures always exist or were they created at some point?

[grim horizon]

Aight folks
how is lamplighter relevant to sky lore
I know, i know. Theyre from tlp.
BUT!
in what general sense would lamplighters (or lamplighter themself if they were the only one) be needed in sky?
Particularly, in hidden forest cuz lamp seems to represent that realm.

[grim horizon]

Dark creatures are light creatures that have become corrupt. So i assume they were created

[marble pasture]

okay, now riddle me this, batman /j
wasn't the king and the diamond thing, the reason for the corruption?

[grim horizon]

YES YEYSEYSYS
Absolutely

[marble pasture]

hold on i gotta grab a picture for this, its in the cave of prophecies

this here mural was painted shortly after the king became...well...the ruler
after he has completed the trials, correct?

see anything, perhaps out of place?
something... anything... suspicious?

[hushed steeple]

That is curtainly a puzzler
Most of what we know about the krill say that they apeared much later on, as coruptions of light creatures, though it possible that a version of them had existed much earlyer

We do see the owls (those dark beings in trile of fire) which probably existed in the early days, but we have no clue exactly where they come from, and they seam to be very different to krill in form, look and behavier

.
Although with that krill being so far removed from the rest of the drawings, I do wonder if maby it was added in later🤔

.
Honestly the detales about what krill are and where they come from is still kinda uncurtain now

There are a lot of evidence that deacribe different aspects and moments of krill and dark creatures in general, so in those specific chunks we do know a lot, but there is still a lot missing to create a unified krill theory that conects all of these together

[cold sparrow]

considering this is from the cave of prophecies
this may have been painted before the king's ascension, and the subsequent corruption and downfall of the sky kingdom

[marble pasture]

are you implying that all of this is a written prophecy and not a record of what has happened? /genq

[cold sparrow]

that is very possible

[grim horizon]

sry to bother but can someone answer dis thx

[dull fox]

Anyone know what this thing is? It was above the eden crystal in the shard memory where the elders are being sploded.

[dull fox]

TGC has come out and said that the krill are a natural part of the Sky ecosystem, so my personal theory about them is that they congregate in places where darkness flourishes. I think they moved into the golden wasteland after whatever happened to cause it to become a wasteland. So it’s probable that they’ve always been in the world of sky, but that they weren’t as big of an issue in the beginning when the land was much brighter.

[lucid bridge]

Personally I believe it is representative of the king. Or maybe it was a device that they used to help build it

[hushed steeple]

Looks crowny/castley

[sharp lichen]

It looks like an upside down representation of the Eden Elder

[native galleon]

needed an update anyway 👀 (ping me next time i dont mind)

[native galleon]

⬆️ i think it might have already

[marble pasture]

what exactly is this Golden valley? /genq
i read the whole thing and still couldn't understand

[sharp lichen]

It’s practically confirmed that the Golden Wasteland and Valley of Triumph used to be considered united, as one realm.

But then, as Valley of Triumph prospered and Golden Wasteland suffered, they came into conflict with each other

In the mural picture in the center bottom, you can see the Valley Elders gain the Air magic, which they use to bombard Golden Wasteland and cause the vortex

[marble pasture]

what?
why???
weren't the elders allies or something?

i was gonna try to debunk that claim, but i can't find a single flaw
it's basically irrefutable :/

wait, but isn't the shipwreck from the valley? why would it be in GW? why would anyone try to sink it? why would GW and valley be in conflict?

[earnest briar]

The answer can be found in our surroundings. Look around in Valley, and you'll see darkstone tech nearly everywhere. And then look at Wasteland, devastated and polluted and where we can find Treasure Reef: a place we know to have been a darkstone mining operation and even refinement facility shown through it's quests and murals. It draws analogies to real world countries whose environments are devastated so that other countries can prosper off of the resources found there. Though not outright stated, we have enough context clues to piece together that a conflict arose between Valley and Wasteland, with Wasteland likely instigating the conflict as a revolt against the devastation that their home was undergoing so Valley could profit.

While Valley's way of life did hinge around high usage of darkstone, the people within it are not completely at fault. It's like that in real life too. The chain of supply and demand is a heavy thing. It can't be stopped or fixed with just a single action. Completely cutting off the supply of something important or even vital will only result in catastrophe for everyone, not just those negatively affected by the production of said thing.

[native galleon]

Practically confirmed? Irrefutable? I’m flattered you think so

means my evidence collection is solid ig

[earnest briar]

Wasteland wanted their darkstone production to end because of how it was destroying the land, but Valley needed it to continue because of how vital it was. Valley exists on a mountain range. Trekking between locations would be a massive hurdle. The lifts we see in the Village of Dreams probably exist all over Valley, and they operate on darkstone tech. If those go down, people would be stranded and unable to travel. Food couldn't be obtained. Neither could medicine if someone fell ill. Every settlement would be completely cut off from each other with no way to communicate or assist one another. That's why it wouldn't be as easy as just saying 'hey, stop using so much darkstone because your demand is ruining our home' to Valley. Whether the industry continued or stopped, one realm would suffer and it would be nigh impossible to come to a compromise thanks to that.

[native galleon]

I should probably make a doc or something explaining each of the pictures in the meme and how they’re connected. Honestly it started as a bit where I was making fun of myself for being so obsessed with this but more and more hints keep getting dropped and I’m not sure it’s a joke anymore-

[marble pasture]

it really is
although i hope it's different in actuality and the game is trying to deceive us, not that i want to invalidate your theory, i actually saw these signs
but i really hope it wasn't the case, i particularly wouldn't like having these realms fighting against each other for something so """trivial"""
you two have really solid evidence and really nice theories though, i gotta give y'all that, 10/10 would read again

[native galleon]

Sometimes I do think like, what if I’m wrong and I’ve just been slandering Valley for like 8 months for no reason

Actually that would be funny ngl

[marble pasture]

valley: bro what did i ever do to you?

[native galleon]

Nothing i literally love it sm that’s the thing!!! I find it so interesting, from the start I loved how it’s like perfect happy fun time realm in the middle of a post apocalyptic world and then you go past the temple and it’s just. What Happened Here

the valley/wasteland dichotomy has always been so cool to me so when i started hearing some theories that explained it, I got really into all the possibilities and built on them

[earnest briar]

Remember, darkstone is to them what electricity, coal, and fossil fuels are to us. Any kind of tech in our world runs on some kind of energy. Sky's world is no different. To us it may seem a stupid reason to go to war, but imagine if you woke up tomorrow and all the technology in your country had stopped working. And I mean all of it. Hospital equipment, vehicles, you name it. That's what it would be like for Valley.

Look at the wars countries have fought in the past over oil because of how useful it is for our machines. Humans have done the same thing the Ancestors did.

[marble pasture]

i had a theory i was gonna share but i literally just debunked myself

[fast jasper]

i found out if you turn off the music in eden and wait a bit, you can hear the voice suffering i wonder if those were the spirits who once lived at the top of eden or Resh/Eden elder solely

[lucid bridge]

I like to think that is the king. And that the red crystal is what’s left of the king. Or he got sucked into it. Mostly because I like body horror.

[fast jasper]

fair

[hushed steeple]

I dont belive this is really true
All the realms were to some extent united, with constant traid and interactions, but still remaining there own seperate region.

There's nothing to sugest that Valley and Waistland were at any point 1 kingdom
The Golden Land was an old name for a version of proto Valley, and there is a bit of confusion becouse of how the lore and names changed and switched over time😅

Oh does it ever🤣🤣🤣🤣
Whole trucks of it
And 90% of it is way in the background or curenty up to personal interpretation

[obtuse tapir]

No /j

[hushed steeple]

Exept that there's no real evidence for it😅
The war was not one between nations, but between ideologys.

[obtuse tapir]

ideo what

[hushed steeple]

Belifs and ideas.
One side were loyal to the king and the curent order of the sky kingdom, while the other wanted change

[obtuse tapir]

Ohhh

[dense inlet]

Hi what's the topic?

[hushed steeple]

The war was mainly becouse of the over reliance on crystal technology, the ever increasing price that the production of crystals had on the enviromant and comman people, all the countlesa light creatures that were drained of all there light to produce the cryatals, the drastic change of the worldview of sky sociaty from what it was ment to be.......

In it 2 sides formed.
-One that sow all the good and prosperaty that has commed from the curent regime, and suported the kings plans for further groath
-The other who worried about the price of this prosperity, and that it could not simply go any further like this.

The populations of different natioons were likely more inclined to one side or another, but the kingdoms as a whole probably did not comit to any one side in the war

[dense inlet]

Oh, it's about the war that happened in Wasteland. I also think it's between people who want to get on with the production of dark stone and any materials that advance technology (darkness) and people who want to preserve the environment or even practice ethical means to advance the technology of Sky (light)

*dumps my headcanons here*

I think that the Wasteland Elder is the general who led the army who supports preserving the light, caring for light creatures, and discontinuing the unethical practices of advancing the technology. Resh/Eden King led the army who wanted to proceed with the production of dark stone (I think Resh was an antagonist soon-to-be made because of his role as the king — pressure, expectations, and such and his hubris will soon become his downfall)

It really was a war between ideologies

I don't think it's an implication (if it is, then heavily implied), but more that the game really is telling that a war happened in Golden Wasteland

Shields and spears scattered, the basegame spirits in Golden Wasteland show soldiers, a refugee, etc.

So, one can say that a war did happen in Wasteland

[hushed steeple]

I think that as a general he must have been very loyal to the king at first.
The king would not have been able to order that statues of himself be build everywhere, or would have had such a strong influence in Waistland to begine with.

If Waistland elder was oposed to the king, there probably was dramatic change of sides that happened
.....

[fast jasper]

Civil war?

[dense inlet]

This message is gonna be filled with my headcanons and interpretations

I think that the Wasteland Elder really had no choice, but to follow orders because Resh was who, the prophecy said, is the child that'll bring greatness to the world, that's what the people believed in. He was once Alef, but when he became king, he became Resh. Also, I believe that Resh is the one who has brought such great advancements to the civilization (found the use of dark stone, etc.) and with that, the people believed that Resh will bring greatness to the world. Though, Resh's hubris and the pressure he received during his position as a ruler made him more of an antagonist to light. He may also have a lot of arsenal and can even destroy the realms of the Elders if they don't comply with his commands (an example is the Forest Elder letting her realm be polluted because she's scared that Resh and his supporters will literally destroy her realm completely). The Wasteland Elder wanted this to end especially when his realm was once the hub of agriculture, and now it's close to becoming a wasteland.

The flame was lit when people of Valley of Triumph decided that enough is enough and revolted. This caused tension between Valley and Wasteland (these realms used to be connected) because Wasteland is the main hub of dark stone now (and it's almost near Eden which I believe is the capital of the civilization. Vault is more of a library, a vault for important texts and history). There was once a bridge that connected Valley and Wasteland but it was destroyed to cease tensions.

This gave the Wasteland Elder an opportunity to fight against the ones who support the production of dark stone. Enough is enough

Wow I wrote a lot and there's probably holes in my interpretation but here is what I think

[hushed steeple]

Well the first half is preaty spot on☺️
Second part is in that nebulas area, but as headcanons go its preaty great😁

[hushed steeple]

A small expantion of your headcanon if I may.
I kinda sow original Waistland more a hub of traid and mereners then a hub of agreculture ( that was still probably Dailight😅)

Not that they didnt have a plentiful light harvests, they very likely did, but the main thing that Waisltand was probably known for was as the main traiding hub of the kingdom, between Valley on one side, the capital and voult on the other, and the sea conecting them to Dailight priery and the many islands withing Mera Lux (my headcanon name for the great sea😅)

[dense inlet]

Ohh that's a cool insight! For me, the main hub of trading and commerce is Isle of Dawn since boats which brought an opportunity to trade with others from other places and smth like that

[hushed steeple]

Not exactly😅
Isle of down was where the race of the ancesters first come to be.
And the creation of the sky boats alowed then to travel into the continent

The real however likely lost more and more segnificance in the darkstone era

Isle of down is quite far away from the rest of the sky continent proper, and that isolation and lack of developmant compared to the rest of the kingdom cousid it to fall back

[hushed steeple]

Speaking of Hub's😅
I did have an idea a long time ago, about what each of the realms would have been most known for and contributed to the kongdom dureing the golden age right before things started going bad

[dense inlet]

Ohh I see. That's a cool insight. It's just that I think that the realms used to exist before the Elders arrived. Like I said, my interpretation may have some holes and I have my own way of interpreting the lore of Sky. I think the realms in a way work together to contribute to civilization and Eden is the capital.

[hushed steeple]

Oh the elders were a thing from close to the begining
When it comes to the history of sky, there are 3 main eras

1 The Fire era
-The begining of sky civilization, starting from Isle and spreading to the rest of the world
-the tail of the prince and his triles hapened in this period, as well as the elders becomeing the leaders of each of there realms

2 The darksrone era (cryatal era)
-Discovery of darkstone refinement in Forest, and begining of industrialization
-Exelarated groath and proaperaty among the kingdom, and formation of capital in Edan, with now the prince becomeing king
-Golden age of sky, but the price of progress slowly takea its tole
-Conflict between light creatures and ancesters, followed by the great war
-Construction of the Edan diamond begins (it does not end well😅)

3 Darkness era
-The edan diamond malfunctions and detonates, cousing shater events, terible storms, spread of darkness.....
-Sky civilization slowly crumbles ( each region likely experianceing the fall in difderent ways)
-Sooner or later all ancesters die out, along with most of light creature population
-After many decades (or maby a few centuris), world calms down, and life comes back to most of sky

[dense inlet]

Ohh, I see. Thank you for telling me

[hushed steeple]

There is a lot more I could say, but with the changing lore some of the plot points Im not so curtain about, or dont know in which order happen in the current canon😅

[dense inlet]

I see. It's alright. Sky lore can be vast. Thanks for sharing your takes!

[hushed steeple]

Hopefully the sky animation will make things more clear so we can stitch all the theorys into coherant narative☺️

[hushed steeple]

Also, this is me just makeing things up, but I personally like to put there 3 eras into a period I like to call
"The years of the Elders"

[dense inlet]

Ohh I see

[hushed steeple]

Before that there is
"The yeara of the stars", that cover the history of the sky world before the creation of the anceters

and after that comes
"The years of the Children"
Starting with the first sky kid comeing after the era of darkness, and being the time that the game takes place

But this is just my personal fan names😅
None of this is official

[marble pasture]

just a small thing i wanted to point out, it's about the animation project
it is,in theory, a prequel to the game where we'd get more in-depth lore, but i wanted to point out that a lot of young characters look somewhat similar to capeless sky kids
so maybe sky kids have always existed too,in the murals, the king strongly resembles a sky kid without winged light, especially with how he's usually represented in yellow
and another thing, i doubt the little kid we see in the trailer is actually the eden elder, someone had pointed out the shape of their mask, because:

1. the darkness is already there
2. the shipwreck is already...well...a shipwreck
3. ancestors are all still alive
4. the main reason is the star symbol, although this symbol might have been attributed to the eden elder after he became king, i kind of doubt that's the case

feel free to debug my points if y'all want, because i am still extremely confused with all this lore

[sharp lichen]

Apparently, its a medieval death song called “Dies Irae” and it plays in other places in Eden as well

[icy wing]

I'm personally not sure if sky kids have always been around, it could just be that it's light choosing to take on a form natural to the world of Sky, and that form just so happens to look like the Ancestors

[cold sparrow]

In the memory of the Ushering Stargazer, we see them find a skykid
So skykids, or at least one of them, existed during the time of ancestors
It may be that this was the arrival of the first skykid, who then went on to become the "king", in one way or another
I don't think skykids have been as widespread as they are today

[hushed steeple]

Well you gotta remember that its directly stated that there are 2 kids that the animation focuses on, and only 1 of them (refeard to as the boy) becomes king,
Its very likely the 2 exist in different periods, which explains some of the inconsistency's....

Also, we receave all our masks and cloaths from the spirits, so our look is gonna be very similar to the children of ancesters

Its always been a thing that sky kids look the same as the children of the ancesters ( though maby slightly smaller)

[native galleon]

True, but I do wonder about the adult with the corruption on their arm, who is seen with the kid who (probably) becomes king. That shot looks like it takes place in the same pre-Wasteland that we see the other kid exploring, iirc

[hushed steeple]

That is deffinetly a puzzle
And one that I hope the official trailer might clerify, since the scenes are way too short to be curtain😅

[native galleon]

I guess they still could be in different time periods, but Wasteland doesn’t look like it’s in the best shape for either of them

[hushed steeple]

This might be just me, and I understand people might have different opinion,
But I REEEEALLLY want them to be fron different periods😅

From a worldbuilding aspect, I dont want all the most inportant events in sky history to happen in the span of one generation😣

So I fully admit I have a strong biest when it comes to this subject😅

[sharp lichen]

To be honest, I don’t think there was a time in which Wasteland was ever in a good shape

[native galleon]

I mean, it had to have started somewhere though, right?

[sharp lichen]

What I mean is that Wasteland was barren from the start

[hushed steeple]

you shure about that 😏

[soft timber]

sobbing What the spirits had vs. the Wasteland we got

[hushed steeple]

Aint that the truth

Though a bit more acurate phrase would be....
What the acesters had and then (beep) up

[soft timber]

Lol

What the ancestors had and then [honk]ed it up for everybody else

[lucid bridge]

Crazy! Where is that image from? Is it official?

[hushed steeple]

Its a peace of concept art for the upcomeing sky animation project
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KevTXLvpmVI

(you can find this at 0:18-0:21)

So yeah, past green waistland preaty much canon😅

[hushed steeple]

Speaking of Waistland, I found some really interesting fanart ( I repeat....FAN ART !!!!) that I think is a good representation of this kingdom in its golden age😁

[soft timber]

askmdl Love how you both said Waistland and I went "They really do have nice waists there"

[hushed steeple]

Check these out

A fantastic set of fanart by the crazy talanted @ Sykloni on tumbler, showing the Golden Waistland dureing its golden age, and the slow and catastrophic decline into the waistland we all know now

[soft timber]

:O!!!

[hushed steeple]

Again
let me repeat this
FAN ART😅

[native galleon]

credit @ sykloni on tumblr

[hushed steeple]

Oh, sorry almost forgot😅
I copied all of these in a folder so I forgot there name now

[native galleon]

idk if it’s allowed to post others’ work in this channel, but if it is, give credit
and yes, i’ve seen it, and yes, it did make me cry while i was just scrolling at 6am

[hushed steeple]

Mistake fixed☺️

[native galleon]

i adore everything about this tho like. the way they change the captions as it changes over time. the progression of it as it deteriorates. the way it actually looks like, yknow, dusk. and then it’s “west valley” implying that 1) golden valley split, and 2) it’s in the west, where the sun goes down. the various kinds of dark creatures. the ancestors’ lives being visibly disrupted with each stage. bumbling boatswain scavenging in the remains (that was actually after the shattering in the original post). im so normal about golden valley ugh aughhh

[hushed steeple]

wait, bumbling boatsman was after the shatering👀 !?

[native galleon]

In the original post, yes

[hushed steeple]

So sorry for that😅
Like I said, I saved these pics in a folder from a few days ago when I stumble apon them
I kinda forgot a few things in the meanwhile it seams😅

[native galleon]

Idk if that’s canon or just implied but it makes sense to me that the Abyss crew would either be right before or one of the few surviving groups after the shattering

https://www.tumblr.com/sykloni/721556015850586112/im-putting-all-the-pictures-under-the-cut-if?source=share here’s the post, with a nice slideshow :3

[rustic glen]

I love this so much

[hushed steeple]

Oh wow, I had no idea there was a timelaps 👀👀👀
And there seam to be a few pics missing from my colection too

[shy blade]

i think elders outside of the kingdom would still be alive it's sadly never mentioned

Not elders i mean spirits

[hushed steeple]

Actually, now that you mention it, it would make perfect sence that the Abyss crew existed after the shatering🤔
After all, the abyss seamed to already be in ruins by the time we meat the spirits, and that facility was super advanced. So they must have been around way later in the timeline, as one of the ancesters that leved there lifes as best they can in the Era of Darkess, until eventually they were all gone

[shy blade]

What if the facility was just greatly preserved in the water

[hushed steeple]

Make sence
But it would still just mean that the desaster hapent relatively recently for the scavengers

[sharp lichen]

I think it would be very strange if spirits existed outside of the Sky land

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, and maybe Performance

[shy blade]

True but i wouldn't be surprised if some poeple just didn't move there for obvious reasons like it being busy and stuff and wanting to farm

[sharp lichen]

I think it’s the only continent in the whole world

Think of it: why would the sky developers include a separate continent?

[hushed steeple]

Abyss isnt on another continent. Its an island😅
The sky world has the continent as the mainland, and a whole bunch of islands of vareous within the sea

And even outside those islands, there were likely regions in the far periferis of the continent where the cataclism wasnt quite as bad as other parts

[sharp lichen]

Well, I’m talking about all the lands we see in the Sky world

So it would include the main continent as well as well as Treasure Reef, Sanctuary Islands, and the home island

[shy blade]

Same here i meant something outside of the islands and the area surrounding the place called eden

[hushed steeple]

we havent fully explored the world yet.
Its true that there is no other continent outside the one, and no other elders and kingdoms besides the 6

However, there is a difference between the 6 kingdoms proper, and the larger territory that falls within there general jurisdiction
There is still room for other lands and other regions in the world of sky, even if they are only a part or extention of the ones we already know about

Not to mentions regions such as Season of Flight area and especially the new seasonal area, which seams to be part of the greater kingdom as a whole, without neceseraly being under the strict control of any one of the 6 component kingdoms

[shy blade]

maybe some spirits are alive but its just for gameplay purposes that spirits exist and are not in high amounts like where is the yelling from when you start the race in the valley of triumph

[hushed steeple]

I doubt it
If there are any ancester is the flesh, it would be on an island so isolated that they have no idea of whats going on in the world, but I doubt even thats the case

[sharp lichen]

The extension areas I’m fine with, but I don’t think adding another whole realm is a good idea, given how much the 7 realms connect

[hushed steeple]

Nobudy ever said anything about any new realms

[sharp lichen]

I thought you were talking about areas beyond the Isle-Eden realms

[hushed steeple]

Yes, areas, not kingdoms/realms😅

Like I said. There is the kingdoms proper, and the larger region that is under control of those kingdoms
The 6 realms and edan are very much set in stone, there can be no more then those in the world

However, they didnt start out owning the entire world out the gate. They would have established a settlemant in a particularly prosperous region and then expanded from there

[shy blade]

the realms also said 6 states of sky land place

eden is a place with expiriments And it was just a bad idea to take the savety for granted that's one thing second thing you keep it to everything's attention even dark creatures wich eat light like crill
It was a disaster from the start i guess

[hushed steeple]

Yes, but we have hindsight😅
Things are never so clear in the moment

[shy blade]

people realizing it's a bad idea when it's already to late

[deft rune]

Hey I has a question that’s probably already been talked but but I’ve been wondering. What exactly is Aurora? Like is she a spirit or…?

[nova geyser]

Another option for the Abyss crew is that they’re working during the war— could be there was a battle at Treasure Reef (for resources or strategic positions etc) but the front line’s moved so the Abyss crew moved in ASAP to get the best scraps

[nova geyser]

According to the unofficial wiki (https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/Season_of_AURORA) Aurora’s not considered a spirit, just like the Rose from the Little Prince and the uh crystal thing from Season of Shattering. I personally kinda considered her to almost be a… narrator? Or a storyteller? of Sky lore; someone that’s separate from the actual history and going ons of what’s happened in Sky Land, but knows what happened in the past and tells Sky kids about it (through sooooooooong~~~~)

[deft rune]

Interesting

[cobalt palm]

My understanding from recently just watching a new player play the intro is that all the realms of Sky that we see fall under a single kingdom, that is Sky.
With the season of Moments being one of the first truely untouched pieces of land (no spirit buildings or mining of the darkstone - glowing crystals) there are other part of the world we haven't seen, including the lower parts of the citadel in valley which is obscured by cloud.

Part of the intro now also says that the constellation / spirit gates used to be connected to the realms, and by saving spirits they are reconnected. So that's now my headcanon for how the world changes each season, enough children have ascended the spirits to reconnect a part of the world lost in the shattering and destruction of the kingdom.

[soft timber]

:0!

That would make sense tho, as the different seasons are basically just different area and regions of the same continent/larger area

[obtuse tapir]

I love this message so much

[leaden field]

Idk why but there's something so beautiful about that

[hushed steeple]

Thats so well said☺️
And it also kinda conects to what I was saying before.

You got the continent and all the surounding islands that all fall under the greater kingdom of Sky, and this is made of component realms each with its own kingdom lead by an elder

But between the main cities and cultural centers of those kingdoms, there are other regions in the realms that fall under the 6 kingdoms that we dont know about

[fickle marsh]

Hiya! I’m new to this fandom and would love to have a break down of the lore ? Please ?

[slender lodge]

if i’m not mistaken then lore is very self-interpretative(?) aka there’s is none/much set in stone confirmed lore. mainly just people’s perspectives and ideas on it!! /info (i could be wrong)
there’s a lot of info in the pins and messages in the channel that are really cool and interesting!! ^^

[gleaming crow]

(just in case...) I highly recommend you finish the game and watch the credits roll before you ask about sky's lore, since a lot of it will tie in with the game's ending.

Also, I know there is a google doc that more or less gives a run down of the lore (I'm not sure if it's updated though...) (I can dm you the doc if you want)

[fickle marsh]

Okay I will do that

[native galleon]

I wouldn’t say there is none. There are plenty of clues about what happened, and just because something isn’t written out doesn’t mean it’s unconfirmed. Sky tends to show, not tell the details of the lore, which does leave a lot of room for interpretation (and some things aren’t shown clearly enough imo) but there is plenty that is confirmed implicitly if not explicitly

[sharp lichen]

A basic summary of the lore exists here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

But if you want something more specific, ask it here

[nimble ingot]

Sky Bunny Slippers.

I can only imagine the reason why skykids have modern cosmetics are for the following reasons:
1 - The Devs know players would enjoy seeing their skykids wearing certain accessories that may not fit into the Sky universe's time period. The Mythical, Mesopotamian, Greek, Roman, Celtic, Native American fantasy that may not know what car or headphones are.
2 - The game does have elements that involves meta. Meta means in this case when a game is aware of itself. Namely Skykids visiting the TGC Office. The idea of you as the player bonding with your skykid (intrapersonal), versus their connection with another skykids/player (interpersonal), and with the community (group/mass communication or relationship types).
Meta which also help justify why our skykids get to wear '70s ebll bottom jeans and fire sunglasses.
3 - Furthering this meta angle, the Sky universe does acknowledge this foreign influence in many ways. Namely in collab season such as Aurora and in the Days of Events (where the majority of items and interactions involve reality and the events in the game such as spirits' interactions).

(Should I explore these relationship tiers more in lore chat?)

[sharp lichen]

There’s no reason for Bunny Slippers to not exist in the Sky universe, lorewise. Wooly cosmetics exist, and rabbits (peeking spirit) also probably existed at some point. Sky has had modern cosmetics in the past, why stop now, especially because it seems this event is “created” by Skykids

[lucid bridge]

That makes me sad to think that rabbits might have been extirpated from the sky kingdom

[nimble ingot]

I understand.

I started with bunny slippers as the comical slippers with bunny ears image.
I am sure there may have been shows made of rabbit fur somewhere, at some point before that.

My thought revolved around how cosmetics with a modern look tend to be more from these days of events than seasons.

Both take place in Sky. But one hase more anchors in the Sky universe than the other who shares a connection with reality (earth, the TGC Office)

Adding this tidbit out of interest.

According to Wikipedia, bunny slippers known for thier cartoonish bunny traits (iconically the ears) date back to the 1920s.

[sharp lichen]

And turtles, and penguins, and lions, etc.

[sharp lichen]

I think there’s a lore reason behind it all. After all, the days of events are mostly arranged by the Skykids themselves. The spirits can spectate, but they’re dead, so they can’t create new fashion.

But Skykids can. So, they innovate, and create cosmetics that are a bit different from the Ancestor Spirit cosmetics, but still share the same roots

[lucid bridge]

Same as my theory for why the lights are on in the valley - the sky kids are living there, inspired by the ancestors’ memories

[nimble ingot]

I like that idea.

The skykids may also have gotten inspiration from things they saw from their vsisits to the TGC office/real life.

Meaning us players influence our skykids, and thus the world of Sky.

[jovial nacelle]

So, can we point out the fact that the elders’ last resort was children?-

[dense inlet]

@lone hamlet

It's basically the case of "enough was enough." I also think that the Valley Twins saw their fellow Elders and their people suffering. There are some who think that enough is enough and decided to revolt. Wasteland Elder also wanted to end all the suffering, but can't because he feared the King's power. The revolt from Valley was what lit the flame. Tensions rose and Wasteland decided to cease those tensions since Valley is also suffering (the place is snowy and growing some resources in snow is difficult. And I think Valley depended on the resources from other realms and all the realms are suffering as well)

The revolt rose tensions between Valley and Wasteland (I believe these two realms were connected) because Wasteland is one of the main hubs of dark stone production and they really wanted to end the dark stone production and the abuse and pollution of nature.

The revolt lit the flame for the war between light and darkness and it happened. It was a case of "enough was enough."

This is just my take
gotta go now because life is now busy for me but thanks for reading my interpretation!

[lone hamlet]

WOAH THATS SO INTERESTING!!!
I never considered the fact that some realms might side with Eden. That could make sense, seeing how it’s hard to see how one realm triumphed the 6 others.

Thank you honking so much for your detailed explanation

[jovial nacelle]

Here’s another interesting fact:

Apparently, the elders are based on archangels

[dense inlet]

No problem! I am totally invested in Sky lore. I would also like to add that the Elders feared the king due to his power and they had no choice but to comply with every command. The Valley Twins and the Wasteland Elder took matters in their own hands to finally fight. All Elders wanted all of this to end, but couldn't find a way to do so due to fear. The revolt was what lit the flame

I have more explanations in #lore-discussion-spoilers :

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[analog lodge]

I have no idea about the lore and wanna know all about it but dont know where to look or start cause i cant find anything anywhere. Is there a document or something with all the lore in it that I can read?

[restive orbit]

Yes the previous message above yours click on that

[analog lodge]

theyre headcanons tho right?

[dense inlet]

The pinned messages in this channel have all your Sky lore needs!

My previous message above is just my headcanons and interpretation

[analog lodge]

i see

which ones would you recommend i start with?

[dense inlet]

Here is a sky moth lore Google doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

I suggest you try to learn more of Sky lore at your own pace. There are resources for your Sky lore needs in the pinned messages! Have fun learning more about the lore of Sky and apologies for the late reply ^^;

[analog lodge]

thats fine lol, also thanks

[rapid latch]

Nah pretty sure there are modern cosmetics bcoz some skykids embrace tech

[nimble ingot]

Looking at beach bum- I mean!- Sunbather spirit ( belly pat) with sunglasses, lol

[rapid latch]

Yeah! And looking at Moments Guide with his snazzy camera!

[nimble ingot]

(Cameras are also on the list. but magic could help their case a bit)

We dont have flying boats in real life.
So a memory capturing stone in a box might be a thing in Sky

[versed mirage]

It is a thing. The vault is literally filled with memories in boxes

[hushed steeple]

I kinda feel that fearing the king would be more phase 3
Phase 1 would be more loyalty to the king, as he's leadership had brough so much good in the world of sky so far
Phase 2 would be some of them not agreeing with how things are heared, but seing oposing the system as haveing too bad of an effect on the prosperety of sky and the lifes of the ancesters
Phase 3 is growing resentmant at how thing are going, but at this point the king is too powerfull and has too many who are loyal to him
Phase 4...ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!

[hushed steeple]

I dont think the camera is at all strange
We know that by the end of the Crystal era that sky sociaty was really advanced, and still developing its mastery of light energy in Voult

Inportant to know that sky tech has no similarity to human tech, but that doesnt meean that they didnt end up makeing things that do many of the same things that human technology does, even if its done compleatly differently

[dense inlet]

I see. That's a cool take and I agree with what you said. I think that the Wasteland Elder believed that Resh (who was once Alef, the child that the prophecy spoke about and is the one who will bring greatness and prosperity to the people) would bring good to the world.

But when Resh began to abuse and pollute the environment and abused his power to continue the advancements of technology, all Elders wanted to tell Resh that what's happening isn't bringing good, but more of bad (pollution, hunting mantas, etc.) Resh probably threatened the Elders and made it clear that he has the highest position. Resh technically has the highest position, in my opinion, since he has brought prosperity and greatness in Sky (except for him destroying the environment and the world)

Resh threatened the Elders that if they dare defy him again, he will destroy their realms. This caused fear for all of them. They wanted to step up, but they don't want to make things worse.

Though, the Valley Twins and the people of the Valley really had enough and revolted. The flame was lit. Wasteland Elder and the King went to war against each other. And the rest is history

[inland cliff]

Also coincidentally or not, i think the elders are based around Zodiac sign as well

Similarities in style like isle's elder with Taurus (Bull) and Gemini with Valleys Elder (Twins) or the others just have similarities in personality

[hushed steeple]

Thats a very interesting theory

Although I would add that Resh's threats probably didnt have to be that distructive or confrontational at first
An economic threat would have also been an option, with him thretening to forbid suply of crystals,light jars or inportant goods to a particular region.
As Sky sociaty grew more and more becouse of cooperation and friendship between the realms, they would have also become dependent on each other to maintain there prosperety, so suddenly pulling the plug on that cooperation would have been devestating for any realm. This I think could have been a big "Phase 2" threat, before he had to get more drastic later on

[hushed steeple]

Interesting observation, though its hard to say if those similareties have meaning or are simple coincidence
The examples you gave are too vegue and easaly aplicable, so they could exist even if there was never a patern to it

[dense inlet]

Oh yeah that would make sense. Since the world has become so advanced, just halting the production of something that has powered advancements would make the economy stagnant. In the eyes of others, it became a lose-lose situation. So, the Elders made up plans on how to continue the advancement of the civilization without polluting the environment.

I think this is where Resh's hubris becomes a flaw for him. He thinks he knows more than others and refuses help.

I also agree that the realms of Sky do help each other. They're like connected. Which is why I believe that the people of the Valley revolted first because they depend on the other realms for resources (since growing some resources in the snow is difficult and living in a snowy environment is difficult.) I also think that Valley and Wasteland used to be connected since I believe that Wasteland used to be a hub for agriculture (that's what I think)

I also believe that the Elders thought that Resh will continue to bring more prosperity and greatness to the world, but they soon realized that he's abusing his power.

I think Resh's threats became destructive when he and the other Elders argued because everything isn't looking so good. He didn't like being seen as wrong (his hubris) and with that, he threatened the Elders.

I think that since he was exposed to darkness (always dealing with dark stone, etc.) he began to be corrupted (figuratively and literally)

[inland cliff]

ig we'll never khow, i mean there's only 6 main elders, if tgc were going on full based Zodiac then they were to make 6 entirely new elders/realm/constellation/etc.

[hushed steeple]

thats why I question if the zodiac thing is really a thing at all
The 6 realms/spirits have a very deffinite interconected meaning in them, with there design philosophy and nature being based on
-The Phases of the day ( Down/Morning/Nune/Evening/Twiligh/Night)
-The Phases of human life (Birth/Childhood/Teen/Adoult/Middle age/Old age)
-The Phases of Civilization( Primitice sociaty/ Agrerian spciaty/ Industrialization/Peak of civilization/ Downfall/ Post downfall)

These 6 aspects all go around in a cycle, just as we in the game reincarnate apon going through it all and starting again

The elders are ment to fit withing this preveosly established patern, adding or removeing there number is not an option
Thats why Im not shure if the 12 zodiac signs are really a thing with them, or just a coincidence

[inland cliff]

i agree, it’s either sheer coincidence or some elders just had inspiration ig

[hushed steeple]

Many different and unrelated things can contribut in the inspiration of a chracter and concept, some much more inportant then others
Thats why its inportant to make a difference between ispired ( has some influace on it),a and inspired ( strongly based apon it)😅

You'd be suprised just how many people get those two mixed up😂

Ps, have you noticed any other simelareties between the zodiac and elders exept those 2?
Like voult or forest?

[nimble ingot]

Vault elder = Libra / Virgo /j

Forest elder = Scorpio / Cancer (also) /j

[hushed steeple]

And I supoase Isle would be THE GOAT (capricorn) 🤣

Hmmmm......🤔
I still think the zodiac elders is NOT a real thing.....but just for fun/fanfic reasons, what if the elders are all conected with 2 signs
What would they be then🤔 ?

Voult as Libra+Vergo seams legit🤔
Forest might be Aquarius + (Scorpion or Cancer) .......
Isle maby Capricorn +.... (Im not shure😅 )
Waistland could be Sagetareous (only sign with a weapon) + Lion (for courige)..... or maby Cancer or Scorpio becuse of all the crabs and krill..

Anybudy know who could get Pisces( fish)
Only ones that could possible get it are Waistland (all the ships, mereners and navil trade) or Daylight ( all the islands)

[nimble ingot]

They could have most likely gone through several iterations before setting on the line up we currently have.
Which is something that may often happen in the creation process.

The elders were themed after their realms, their specialities, the age of their realm (ranging from dawn for birth, to vault for elder), and so on.

[nimble ingot]

twins, valley.
Or they could be Gemini

(seriously am just having fun entertaining the theory of elders being like zodiac characters).

Wasteland could be a Leo? /j

Dawn could be Taurus? (Or Day)

[hushed steeple]

Oh no, this is all 100% made up and have nothing to do with the actual inspration for the elders.
I already explained all this before😅

This is purely a though experiment, too see if we could bull(beep) a functioning conection between the elders and the zodiac

[nimble ingot]

I know, don't worry 🙂

At least this makes for fun fanon fodder.

[hushed steeple]

@inland cliff already made the Gemini and Toros conection with Twins and Dailight.
Im seeing if I could give each elder 2 unique signs (6*2=12)

Wait, what if we give the twins boath Gemini and Pisces🤣
Dubble up on the dubble signs

[nimble ingot]

ooh yes! True!

[slim mango]

Alright guys, here's the name of all spirits in Indonesian language from Gratitude to Passage 👍

Source was from the Google form made by thatskygameid

What do you think about it?

[lucid bridge]

Cultural practice I assume

[faint niche]

I really thing capricorn would suit vault or the trials section of ilse

[rapid latch]

Taurus?

[hushed steeple]

Thats the bull one

Dayling elder is best choice for that

[rapid latch]

or maybe Tsadi cuz strong

[umbral urchin]

barry lore when?

[hushed steeple]

Like edible berry?🤨

[hushed steeple]

Ah, right right........
What?😅

[umbral urchin]

goose just being silly

[sharp lichen]

Why don’t we wear masks

[static zephyr]

My main theory is that it’s a type of containment for the sky kids (with mask) with their eyes open while the spirits wear it as someone said culture practice

Although I don’t even understand if they actually see at all since they seem to use something close to location echo and when they get close to a object they seem to reach out and touch it similar to how blind people use touch to determine their environment

((Also I’m back from burn out yay!))

[static zephyr]

Who’s Barry???

[nimble ingot]

I checked the Steam page, feast your eyes on this lore gremlins.

I did not expect to see this curious spirit character this early before the season started.
Seeing this is public, it is close to crossing that line of spoilers, but not quite.
I can only assume it is a new spirit for the new season since we dont have this one in the game yet.

[slim mango]

for some reason, why spirit can duplicate itself? (I tried to relive bird whisperer memory while they're still at catwalk days of style event at bird nest)

[static zephyr]

Welp seeing that this chat is pretty dead at the moment

LORE QUESTION OF THE DAY(s?)

What do you think happened to the spirits or how they ended up as stone statues??

[inland cliff]

Due to Eden explosion directly turns them into stone or indirectly through radiation or other aspects

Or just literally turns you into dust 💀

[inland cliff]

Spirits can't duplicate, tgc just used their sprites for the event, it has nothing to do with the lore

[reef fulcrum]

Tag yourself; I'm Anak Boogie.

[slim mango]

I'm Dukun Salam 😅

[kindred summit]

mentor berputar! (spinning mentor)

[slim mango]

Yeey

[nimble ingot]

Darkness has fallen and the ancestors perished.
Either by sickness, injury or corruption (or any combination of the three).

Some of their bodies were trapped in stone (petrified) amd skykids can help them break free (which is oddly similar to releasing the fallen children in Eden).

[hushed steeple]

can someone explain to me where to start one sky lore because i wanna learn SO bad

[inland cliff]

i feel like the entire journey to eden and helping petrified spirits/fallen skykid as a whole is a huge metaphor of a butterfly evolution 🐛

[low grove]

@hushed steeple this sounds like a job for u 😎

[hushed steeple]

Oh😳
Well thanks for the indorsemen☺️

No @nimble ingot, @low grove is right, I must do this🤣

[nimble ingot]

Feel free to have a look at the pinned messages in this channel
Take your time glossing over the lore. There is quite a bit of material folks have typed out.

There are also fantastic theorists on here who wrote their own lore docs.
You can ask Baudshaw for example, or make use of the search feature on Discord for 'lore doc's.

If you like looking at pictures more than text, I recommend looking at Tom Zhao's concept art. https://www.tomzhao.com/sky-all

If you have questions, theories you like to share or thoughts about the game. Feel free to ask/shrae here 🙂

[hushed steeple]

Actually your right😅
Its gonna take me way too long to explain everythng and I unfortunatly dont have the time😅

[hushed steeple]

tysm!! i really appreciate it 😄

[low grove]

there is a LOT

[nimble ingot]

Yes, yes it would lol.

To put is simply, "The Real Journey starts now..." has a whole new meaning with learning Sky lore.

I'd happily go over them with folks. Though that is why we have lore docs

[hushed steeple]

Perhaps one day I will make that "Sky Lore explained" series I've been thinking of doing

Sky Lore series Intro

[nimble ingot]

Please do let us know when you do.
That would be cool

[nimble ingot]

Sounds like an intro to a Sky themed D&D game.
Cool song.

oh! no wonder!!
It is from one of Miyazaki's films!

[hushed steeple]

Unfortunatly Im chronicly lazy😅
Though maby if I start writing now, I will have enougj time to finish by the time the animated series starts, so I could quickly rewrite everything I got wrong🤔

[nimble ingot]

if you need help with research, feel free to reach out.

Getting a university degree did help with research methodology and grammar.

[hushed steeple]

Yup.
Its the opening theme to Nausica
I had debated for a long time if I should use this theme or the into to Laputa, but in the end this works better

[hushed steeple]

Big opening, mystical start for the anchant past, with a constant hint of sorrow and tragedy that slowly builds up until it reaches its peak (the destruction of sky civilization), before becomeing uplifting again with the arival of the children.....yet still a twinge of uneasyness as the long road of healing the world lays ahead

[nimble ingot]

Realistically, it might get copyright stricked 💀

Though if you were able to use either song, you could use one, and occasionally switch to another song as the eposides go on. Somewhat to show a change in chapters.

[hushed steeple]

I mean I was never gonna use it in anything official
Japan are total (Beep)holes when it comes to fear use😅

But yes, I very much intended to do it like that, switching songs between episodes ( and most of it would be from Ghibly and Atlantis🤣 )
This one is more for the series as a whole

[hushed steeple]

Wait you are👀👀👀👀

Well that wauld explain why all your big posts are S-Tier
I only resently got into writing so Im still not very good at makeing things organised, focused and well explained

I probably wont need help with resurch, but makeing it not be a total mess is something I would diffinetly apreciate your help for

[nimble ingot]

ye!

I want to write a dissertation about Sky lore sometime.
More like curating sources such as notating livestreams, announcements and the like.
As well as assessing concept art with some theories based on them.

Not to mention going over the lore of Sky in order of the realms and season appearance. Simply a guide for players to read along the changes to the game as the season added to the lore. Seeing how that approach is very similar to how vets experienced the game and allows players to catch up from a season they last played.

[hushed steeple]

perhaps one daz we could combine our efforts
Create the unofficial Sky lore guide

[nimble ingot]

XD
Someday, we should and I imagine it would look something like this.

[sharp lichen]

This document is a good start: https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

[hushed steeple]

tysm!!

[sharp lichen]

There’s a lot of things to cover, so if you have questions about a specific thing, ask it here!

[static zephyr]

Maybe there’s a link??

[static zephyr]

do tell us when you do make it!

[hushed steeple]

If it does ever happen....some time in 2024😅
Though thanks so much for the suport

[static zephyr]

No problem I’ll gladly support you and if you want I can help write out the details!

[nimble ingot]

🎌 Just passing this reminder that Sky PC demo drops in 3/2 days people 🛩️

The announcement mentioned that you can link your current account to Steam. The accounts made on the demo would carry over to the live game. So...
https://www.thatskygame.com/news/sky-pc-comes-to-steam-next-fest/#:~:text=(-,Note,-that%20account%20progress

[slim mango]

So "days of" event were non canon lore 🤔 (I think?)

[sharp lichen]

I think there are two options

-Reliving spirits more than one time is non-canon. Once bird whisperer is freed the first time, they’re always freed in the lore.

-Time in Sky is weird due to Eden, and can cause paradoxes such as these

[nimble ingot]

I would digress with saying they have some lore.
Similar to the collaborations, while some parts like the guests are naturally not canon to the Sky Universe.

Had it not been for days of Feast, we would not have known about Grandma Belonging's festive side. Had it not been for Bloom, lightseekers and enchantment working together to help with saplings and regrowth would not be a thing. Even days of fortune has lore.

There are parts of these events that are considered meta, which makes establishing canon lore with them tricky. But like the Office, meta lore is a part of the Sky lore.

"Lore is open to interpretation"
And with that, canon lore can still have its own niche (thing), but that does not mean other forms of lore like fanon, meta or theoretically canon lore are less valid.

For those who may not know.

Meta means when a work is aware of itself and/or makes reference to thing about itself or beyond its own reality.

Namely in Sky, skykids being in the TGC Office is considered meta since the Office is a real life location, not a fictional place like the rest of Sky. Another is The game drawing inspiration from real life cultures, events and mythologies.
There are other examples, though these hopefully work well as examples.

[slim mango]

I see 🤔

[rich plank]

Is there any lore reason why the wounded warrior’s mask crack shows this crystal material?
Could it be all masks have this and the eyes glow because of our light interacting with the dark crystals inside?

[twilit blade]

What is the pink light emitting when the sky kids ride a manta?

[lucid bridge]

I interpret it as analogous to bone

[rich plank]

But it’s in the mask
And where the eye is

[soft timber]

Currently sobbing as I can't get Sky on my phone

[rapid latch]

im penampil menari

[rapid latch]

I interpret it as corruption

[hybrid hamlet]

I think it might be just low-poly scar tissue?

[sharp lichen]

It seems similar to the crystal infection we see in the sky two embers trailer

[cobalt palm]

So I took the moments camera to The Light

Behold the face of god Megabird

[tacit delta]

Why is this atop the building you exit to first enter eden area? Is this not the forest elder ? How is it connected

Or is it just a coincidence and it isn’t the forest elder pattern

[cobalt palm]

@tacit delta I always saw it as an extension to the symbol we have on our chests, the diamond with 2 chevrons around it, it's also where we pull our candle from, so I read that as an extension to a symbol for the light that is inside us, it also appears on multiple gates including the valley races.

It also reminds me of the Belonging symbol, so maybe it means connected light, and the extended square above is symbolic of "above connected light" or ruler, hinting towards the king in Eden

[hushed steeple]

I asume that you are refearing to this patern in Forest

[hushed steeple]

While the confusion is understandable, its not really the same symbol

The diamond shaped paterns are a comman motive in archetectural and decorative art found in the regions of Forest,Valley,Waistland and Voult, and its found in many variations.

These were all made in the Crystal era, where the patern was highly relevant and inportant to the culture at the time

It is quite curtain that all these different versions of the symbol stood for different things (cultural factions, organisations, sigils of local govermant, regional veriants on the same theme...) but the specufics are entirely in the realm of speculation

[nimble ingot]

Sky be like:
Diamonds. Diamonds everywhere! lol

Seriously though, there may be a symbolic meaning to them, or a motif that we can decode from them.

Perhaps with the triangles, ancestors are like the 'up' triangle with a wide base coming up to a point representing them unable to fly but longing for the sky. While the 'down' triangle could represent the light falling down to start new life.
What if the diamonds once symbolised the harmony of the two sides, ancestors and the Light.
But something happened and that harmony was broken (shattered).

[static zephyr]

Diamonds most commonly represent wealth, and the kingdom of sky seem like a pretty successful kingdom, and the higher class (elders maybe) Must definitely have a lot of candles on them, or whatever the currency was before the kingdom became fell into ruin out of hubris and vice versa the creation of EDEN

[nimble ingot]

I see what you mean.

More diamonds = higher statues or power or wealth.

It somewhat translates to skykids as well with their cape stars.

The more stars a skykid has, the more light they possess.

Granted a skilled flyer may not need that many wl if they can manage with less. But having more does mean they can take more hits and fly higher without need to land or recharge.

[static zephyr]

Yep that that raises a question for me

Do sky kids have a personality?

They are made out of light and outside of them being controlled by us such as spirits could they have a personality or are they just a blank site (quite literally) like moths??

I don’t know if that’s a dumb question but it still it’s fun to think about

[flint swan]

In one of the Season of Flight cutscenes, our skykid does this emote —>
It’s an example of a skykid acting outside of how we control them, and I’d say that’s pretty interesting.

[sharp lichen]

I’ve noticed many such examples, such as the Season of Performance quests, and the Skykid using different emotes to greet different spirits

[nimble ingot]

I would go as far as to say they do.

Back when your skykid started out in Sky. They were like a blank canvas. As time went on with you exploring, learning, growing and expanding your emote gallery, your skykid is an avatar that represents you.

Your likes, dislikes, character and personality in a way carries over to your skykid.

Touching upon what @flint swan and Baudshaw said.

Skykids have small interactions and responses to the game that help them look and feel alive to the player.

Me and a few friends had explored this in the past and found it adorable and also fascinating to see skykids responding to things on their own like that.

They softly snore or moan in their sleep. Their heartbeat becomes louder while holding hands with a friend. They hold their chest while limping slowly (try this while in Eden Void to see this special animation if you like). They shiver while standing in the rain for too long. They even sit down and eventually lay down when you leave them afk long enough. Which adds to the meaning for the Z's to mean they are sleeping.

another interesting detail is the difference in how skykids get up based on their wl count.

On low amounts of wl, a skykid gets up slowly.
When they have many wl, they practically leap to their feet.

Implying that they have more strength with more wl in them.

[static zephyr]

Ok real quick testing testing dose this send
Ok…now I’m going to try to type that all up yet again and if I fails I’m going to be so mad.

Eden spoilers ahead
||in the point of no return I always thought it was really sad how the sky kid is actively weakening itself so it can save the other sky kids even though they are getting constantly hit with the red rain or probably thinking something along the lines of “I need to keep going! I need to save them!” And even when they do run out of light they look up at the eden Dimond and reach out trying to push forward before finally petrifying it’s very sad when you think about it||

Now for my actual lore related question
Yet again Eden spoilers ahead.

||when we finally do un-petrify after we hug the mysterious unlit sky kid what makes us any different from the other sky kids who did turn into statues?? Why were we the ones who were Able to survive?? ((Other then plot armor))||

[sharp lichen]

Oh? I’ve never heard of this before, I’d love to see it

[sharp lichen]

Were we any different? They returned just like us, probably thanks to the same power that saved us

[native galleon]

I think this is the top of the Vault

[static zephyr]

Fair but only after we gave them OUR light so to speak….or maybe the winged lights were their lights and we are just returning it to them?

But that also raises another question why would the wings go to all those specific areas? ((Other then game design))
Dose the wings have at least some memory’s of the sky kids they belonged to of my theory is correct??

But wait if we give up our lights that also means we give up our capes since we only get them once we collect 1 WL so why do we still have it as we fly into orbit?? Are we just at a point where it doesn’t matter?? Or why do the spirits wear capes?? Status symbols?? And could they fly like us?? Too many questions not many answers…
And my head hurts now….

[sharp lichen]

I could answer your questions in order

1. I think it gives us a temporary boost in winged power- just enough to make it to orbit, but we’re still tattered after Eden.

2. I think spirits wore capes mostly because of fashion. Skykids could augment those capes using fashion, while spirits couldn’t

[static zephyr]

Thanks mate always a life saver or at least stoping my mind from catching on fire with how much I’m over thinking things

Man my FNAF lore dives have really been rubbing off on me….

[rapid latch]

Also
What does the light mean in reference to sky? I keep seeing it everywhere

1. Beyond the door The Light awaits
2. Continue your journey in The Light (it says light when I reach orbit rather than eye if Eden)
3. The friends constellation used to be called The Light earlier.

[scenic siren]

Fancy name for mega bird I think

[copper saffron]

from the steam page
this is interesting to me, that theyd say "i know you dont remember anything". implying that skykids are some kind of reincarnation or reborn spirit that lost its memories
skykids are guardians, change my mind

[nimble ingot]

I love that statement helps confirm a moth either has amnesia or simply has no memory of anything before they arrived at Home for the first time.

The first things they would recall of that moment would be them waking up on a stone slab surrounded by grass that quiver and sway in the coastal wind. They see the sky is dark and the first thing they find is themselves on an island with a sealed gate, broken portals, save for one that glows like the morning sun.

[hushed steeple]

This does raise an interesting question.
What were the souls of skykids before they reincarnated in the curent era

[sharp lichen]

It could be a meta joke, but given that the intro cutscene says “At last, you return to this world” makes me think your Skykid is a reincarnation of another creature

[copper saffron]

yeah ive always held this theory even before they changed the intro to the game, happy to see it confirmed

[hushed steeple]

Yeah I kinda asumed this to be true too, so Im glad there is still comformation

So perhaps our souls were once the souls of ancesters and other sky kids who were lost in the final days of the old kingdom, when the war and the shatering disrupted the cycle of reincarnation

[sharp lichen]

Perhaps the Aurora concert shows where the souls of the Skykids were

[nimble ingot]

I think they may have been stars at one point.

Another interesting concept I found in Season of Performance was a play by the Forgetful Storyteller.
When you look at the various options in the story, it tells stories about how skykids arrive in Dawn.
Some would meet the ancestors (candlemaker family), others enter a cave (cave of Prophecies) and some even meet the Elder of Dawn (Daleth - fanon name, not canon).

The story makes a reference to MOTES.
A mote in a dictionary is a piece of something. Which in this case would be a Mote of Light.
These motes may be the stars we see falling.

Even though motes are an odd word in the game, there is a reference to them in the concept art. Which implies that the devs have done research and worked on motes in the game. Whether these motes would be pieces of Light (which by extension would be pieces of the Megabird/Bird of Light), or possibly Darkstone (at least its power). These may also be the 'motes' we gather to gain more power, and possibly what other creatures would possess that makes them powerful such as the greater and elder light creatures (and the elders themselves as well).

[hushed steeple]

Wait, they actually mentioned "motes" in the Season of Performance story theater👀👀👀

Those things were a huge part of the early concept stages of the game, as it was how light energy was stored and all the tech was powered.
In a way I supoase they were a precursor to candles and crystals,

[nimble ingot]

Credit to the Sky Inforgraphic for the fantastic formatting.

(open the image in browser for better resolution)

[hushed steeple]

oooooo, I gotta see this

[hushed steeple]

What colour is the part with the motes?

[nimble ingot]

column 2 , verse 5 (yellow column)

"It split up into countless motes of light, gently descending to the ground below."

[hushed steeple]

I see

[nimble ingot]

So.
Assuming it is an intentional use of the word here.
We can connect motes (pieces of light) to stars.
We can connect falling stars to skykids.
We can speculate that the winged light we find in the game are connected to the stars and these lights are connected to the fallen in Eden.

[hushed steeple]

makes sence☺️

I really really hope the animation follows up on this and not leave us hanging😅

[modest venture]

Hello. I’m new to sky lore but would it make sense if the statues we were lighting in eden is actually our past self in a different universe? And the reason we try to give them our light is to connect our soul to the ruined universe to undo their mistakes but we keep failing and being reborn into the same universe?

[obsidian haven]

Aren't we post sky world like how OOo is earth thousands of years later from adventure time. My theory is that we're very far into he future, and maybe the lights we give are the previous sky kids. Tbh eden seems like the most corrupt out of the realms maybe it was once habitable and like it's maybe where the death of sky started and then it trickeld in the other realms. It could explain how isle is the easiest as it's the furthers from eden.

[nimble ingot]

The Fallen (that is what they were called in the game), it is uncertain what they are exactly.

It is very likely they coud be skykids seeing when we die, our statues closely resemble them.
I think there is more to them than just that.

These children were trapped in Eden for a long time. Some did not make it as far as others which means they were protecting each other and were much weaker than our skykids (at least this is what the game lets us get away with and may digress from what the lore implies).
Either case, I believe these children were there from the start, meaning even the oldest skykids we know must have encountered them.
If these children were to be skykids, I speculate that they may be the first generation skykids.

Skykids are considered to be decendants of the ancestors, and the fallen must have known the ancestors.
I am not sure if these skykids went to eden on their own (sacrificing themselves), or were urged to do so by someone else (elders or ancestors).

I also suspect the way we save the same fallen children over and over again implies that we are trapped in a time loop. Where Eden is frozen in the moment where the massive diamond shatters (like in the elder memory fragment).
Almost like a black hole, where time slows down the closer you get to it.

Apologies for jumping around a bit.
There is a lot of research and lore I barely acknowledged here.
If anyone would like to explore these theories more, let me know what parts to elaborate on.

[sharp lichen]

W textwall

[midnight aurora]

So as someone who knows nothing about the lore, I'd like to just bring up something I noticed and see if anybody has explanations for me!

Eden has pipes and stuff everywhere, and it gives a very industrial ruins vibe, so what happened? The entirety of wasteland seems kinda bottom of the ocean-y and so the entire world of sky kinda gives a failed economy or ruined environment vibe, but prairie is beautiful. Are they all different realms or is it like an ongoing story of different time periods???

[bold magnet]

Wait so sky has more planets?

It has to have it since i’m pretty sure the little prince is canon to the sky universe

[obsidian haven]

@midnight aurora a theory I have is eden was the main place before like its where the heaven in sky is so the energy of the place flowed through the pipes into wasteland. But after the sky death maybe the corruption infected the realms from Eden. I assume vault is unaffected by corruption due to its celestial height

[midnight aurora]

The interesting thing is that we have access since we can see it at that point and could probably just fly there, I wonder what's on them

[obsidian haven]

The original sky people probably tried harnessing that crystal power and then accidentally caused the death of sky

[midnight aurora]

Yo where can I get some like- summarized lore

[bold magnet]

In the og little prince story, the little prince visited other asteroids to meet all the funny people, before finally landing on earth

[bold magnet]

That does seem to be a consensus in the theory community, with what i believe forest being the root of the corruption

[bold magnet]

Also wait..why isn’t valley affected with it?

it kinda seems remote in places, maybe that’s how it was affected..despite all the lively seasonal areas, the main stages just feel like isolation. You sliding on the snow with nobody else

[obsidian haven]

@bold magnet the realm is further away from eden, and was probably not explored as much as eden, vault, valley, etc it explains the simplicity of isle too an unexplored realm that happened to not change because of the death of all the original sky arcitects

[bold magnet]

Aah wait i should sketch up a graph of all the realms or smth

[obsidian haven]

I'm dumb nm I thought u meant prairie

[bold magnet]

The sky map itself also probably shows a good reference to where realms are

[midnight aurora]

Ayo good point I didn't think of that, it's not linear it has geographic patterns

[bold magnet]

If we look at isle from a game design standpoint, it is like the tutorial realm. It wouldnt make sense to immediately wake up and have angry crabs running at you

[obsidian haven]

The boat trip from the wasteland to that water place is less corrupted than wasteland and its geogically further from eden@bold magnet

[bold magnet]

Interesting, but…hear me out…secret experiments were going on there while the rest of the realms were falling apart

[obsidian haven]

@bold magnet experiments on what and by who o.o

[bold magnet]

did you not do the abyss quest?

it seems the corruption there is man-made rather than just caused by eden explosion

[obsidian haven]

Lemme refresh real quick

[bold magnet]

Immma label the map rq

[nimble ingot]

I'd recommend looking at the 7 days of Sky series (https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/Seven_Days_of_Sky)

As far as I understood it:
Each realm represents a stage of life, an era of civilisation, a part of a day (symbolically related to the 7 days of a week).

Dawn is the start of a day, birth. Day is Childhood. Forest (once known as rain) is an exception to the time of day trend, but represents a change (adolescense). Valley (once called Sunset) represents adulthood. Wasteland (once known as Dusk) represents a mid-life crisis. And Vault (once called Night) is elderlihood.

Eden was once called Storm and represents Death.
Orbit represents Rebirth and that allows the cycle to start a new.

Industrialisation started in Forest, and progress more and more with the realms that followed.
Eden is the only realm with no ancestors that we can find, and the reason is naturally because it is in ruins.

[bold magnet]

Wait a moment…so you know how vault doesnt really have any flight paths in the floors, but most of the other realms do have some? What if forest (which i presume started it all) spread corruption to flight paths, making some of the smaller seasonal areas affected

Like uhh this

[modest venture]

I think our sky right now is in a parallel universe with the previous ancient civilization of the elders. So basically our timeline is more advanced compared to the parallel sky and what happened is that the old sky community had a war which resulted to the rapid decline in their economy and life quality. So, the elders decided to make a time traveling crystal which uses light as the power source to try to remake their mistakes. When they tried running the crystal, the experiment failed and they instead got transported into the parallel realm of their world and as a backlash, the crystal that was left in their world uncontrollably sucks the light forces near them. As a butterfly effect, since this parallel world is far into the future, the failed crystal actually remained as well as the corruptions that erupted from the crystal. The elders might think that they can still travel back or redo the past if there is enough light source so they accept the light we give them in the temple.

[bold magnet]

Okay so i seem confused here. The flight paths go to Cave of Prophecies, Sanctuary Islands, Underground Cavern, Hermit Valley, Forgotten Ark, and Starlight Desert

But the description of the story quests for abyss on the wiki plus what i experienced suggest that there were experiments going on there

[sharp lichen]

They’re located in different places, that’s all. Prairie is very sunny and quite far from all the action, with very little industrialization. Meanwhile, Wasteland is like the underworld of Sky and Eden is literally the eye of the storm

[sharp lichen]

This document can help: https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

[plush cave]

Hi lorechat!

So about the shattering Elder Memory, the WL-kids there have masks. A friend said it was a re-used model from Eden and that it’s unsure if there’s any lore behind that, but does somebody have any information on that?

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[sharp lichen]

I heavily doubt it is, because the person you hug in Eden seems to be a Skykid model

[plush cave]

Not the hugging kid, but one of the Eden statues I mean

[sharp lichen]

Because I believe the models for Winged Light and models for Skykids are different

[plush cave]

They are, which makes it interesting that the two hugging WL in the elder memory have masks!

I can’t find a picture of the Eden statue my friend was referencing though

[sharp lichen]

It practically confirms the theory that WL were some form of Skykids

(Also, I believe it’s only shown by camera right?)

[plush cave]

This one was pre-camera era: #beta-screenshots-videos message

[carmine hornet]

It is the golden wasteland, it’s the part before you enter the temple

Although I am curious to know why a war? Why would they be trying to fight manta? They pose no threat to anyone so would they just be trying to drive them out of the golden wasteland? Does anyone have any to add to this, it’s a question that has always bothered me

So it was a war between the vault and the golden wasteland?

Is they wanted something, maybe light? If the manta were helping the vault then it may be because they wanted to keep themselves safe, they didn’t want krill to come to the vault, we see krill attacking manta in game

Same structures…

With its own set of rules and customs and the vault didn’t like that

So the vault wanted to make the golden wasteland more like it, I’m guessing the war did go into the vaults favor since they seemed more advanced technology wise

The vault may have not gotten a chance to enforce that economy because they were driven out by krill, they didn’t know how to deal with them like the people living in the golden wasteland did so they left the place in ruins

I think they were once light creatures but they were affected by the darkness in the golden wasteland, it’s why we don’t see many light creatures because they all met the same fate as the krill

[sharp lichen]

I think the war was between many realms, we see shields in Eden

[carmine hornet]

Maybe

[sharp lichen]

Or maybe the Remembrance memories were just recordings from a different realm that was transported to Vault for safekeeping

Vault doesn’t seem to be an offensive realm, more of a safehouse

After all, the most powerful realm was probably Valley, given their technology

[carmine hornet]

With no real dangers

Although daylight prairie is the same way, with no real dangers

Like a rebellion?

[carmine hornet]

I think I agree with this claim, the vault was probably a place where the history of sky is stored, like in recordings. But ofc most of it was probably in someway

Elaborate on that?

So you’re saying that the vault’s elder wanted to start the war in the first place?

Personally, if we are going on your theory then I don’t think the elder was evil, just wanted to make other realms more like the vault but In doing so they started a war that they didn’t want

They saw how well the vault was doing economically and wanted to share that with the other realms, but the other realms had their own ways of doing things and refused to be like the vault

[sharp lichen]

That’s an interesting take, Vault relied the most on the darkstone technology and thus had the highest standard of living, but it was also tiny and specialized. Meanwhile, areas like Forest and Wasteland were extremely polluted by all the mining

Then again, the moral blame is on all Ancestors for rejecting the Light and focusing on themselves instead of light creatures

[carmine hornet]

So the ancestors were greedy and self centered, ignoring problems that should have been fixed a long time ago, is what I’m getting from that, am I correct?

[sharp lichen]

They’re as greedy as us humans in the real world. Make of that what you will

[nimble ingot]

The elder shattering memory is believed to be a restored concept from Light Awaits that few players back then were able to access.

It was an OOB area in Eden nicknamed Blue Eden.
Here is a video by @crimson grove that shows this.

All but the forest elder's statue models were brought to the Shattering memory.
The reasoun why is Forest elder's statue was not present back then. It is speculated that the elder's appearance was not finalised yet as there was once a statue of a lynx in a different area that is believed to be an early version of the Forest Elder.

This explains why the forest elder statue in the shattering memory looks more refined than the others.

[nimble ingot]

Minor note, not all of the ancestors were greedy, evil etc.
Like humans, there were a lot of bad people, and a lot of people who did bad things.
But sadly, there was enough damage done to the realms that lead to their downfall.

[plush cave]

Oh my god this information brought me a whole new perspective on the Elder Memory. Thank you for this information (also, I’m not surprised Miri is giving us the goods once more. The amount of documentation - absolutely fantastic). Gonna deepdive into this right now

[crimson grove]

The appearance of all elders were more or less the same as they are today since the start of Sky’s public Beta / softlaunch in early 2018. The OOB itself was in the game (for a very short time) on May 2019 when Sky was the closest to the launch version. But since this whole area was 100% not intended to be accessed back then, I think it’s totally possible it might be an old asset! While it would be funny if they just sort of forgot to put forest elder there for no particular reason

It’s still wild to me that we can see it in the Shattering memories now!

[plush cave]

It is really peculiar, as most OOBs are cutscenes I think - so assuming this could’ve been an old cutscene it makes me wonder so much .

The flying elders were never seen in any (eden related) cutscene right?

[nimble ingot]

There are a handful of places considered OOBs and are not part of cutscenes.

You are not wrong to say most OOBs would be used for cutscenes in Sky.

[crimson grove]

No, this was all brand new as far as I know. This happened at the time they were revamping major things about Eden, such as adding winged light to the game and making the level impossible to survive. The location of the OOB (just past the old “exit” gate) does lead me to believe it was potentially intended to be a final area of sorts, but further updates just removed it and it was never mentioned. Until Shattering of course!

I’ve shared these here with the video back in the day, but here’s some screenshots! How I wish I could go back in time to take more

[ornate wing]

hello everyone, please tell me when it will be possible to download the demo version of the game, if anyone knows the exact time.

[crimson grove]

Game questions are better suited for our #questions-and-help! I’ll answer you there

[plush cave]

Oh I wondered where it was located!

That is both ‘demystifying’ in a way AND all the more intriguing… wondering about what could’ve been

All the more considering that the Forest elder was missing from the memory when it was being tested in shattering (so in that optic, considering they were added in the final versions, it was a ‘mistake’ that they weren’t in LA beta oob?)

[crimson grove]

Maybe we’ll never know

[nimble ingot]

Lost to times and locked in the notes of the Lorewriters.
I hope some day they would be willing to share what they once planned for Eden to be.

[sharp lichen]

The game is already out.

[nimble ingot]

you better not be pulling my wing, science boi /lj

You bugger. lol
It says it is not yet out on my end with Steam.

[plush cave]

How dare you tease us like that

[nimble ingot]

TGC ought to update that in any case.
They did say it would be released tomorrow on Monday 9 October 2023.

[marble pasture]

i looked through the context and I'm very confused now, what are these screenshots?
they seem very important but i don't know where or how you took them

and by the way, i have seen many of you suggesting that wasteland fought against valley/vault
but i don't really think that's the case, since most of these theories portray the exploration of resources or a forced economy system
which is interesting, don't get me wrong
but i believe it was mostly due to protests between two points of view, the people siding with light creatures and people who wanted to explore and expand
i do believe the animation project will clarify that, and hopefully it will be confirmed as canon

[crimson grove]

Of course! Here’s some context I should’ve added: Those are screenshots from Sky’s pre-launch Beta, commonly referred to as “Sky: Light Awaits” (which was the game’s old name). These were taken specifically during May 2019.

Like previously mentioned, these were taken in the equivalent of Eye of Eden’s current point of no return, where you see the statues and the rock storm, during a time the level was going through many changes and phases of Beta testing. This area was hidden out-of-bounds in that level and ended up never being fully integrated into the level itself, as it was removed shortly after in future updates at the time.

For a long time it was just a fun thing to share with others and theorize over, like many other things from old Beta that are not in the current game. With Season of Shattering though, we can see a very similar scene in the last memory and that’s what we were discussing here

[marble pasture]

last memory?
and uh, are there any other records of these pre-launch or beta content on places like YouTube?
i wanna look some more into it

[crimson grove]

When you complete shattering missions or red shards, you get to see some specific memories in the void. I think they’re called memories at least

And yeah! We have some community resources in the pins I’d recommend if you wanna learn more about old beta: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[marble pasture]

alright!
thank you Miri!

[crimson grove]

Have fun!

[marble pasture]

quick repost bcz i got a bit off-topic

[pastel brook]

[rapid latch]

Silence, peasant.

[nimble ingot]

Bot be lurking

[junior thunder]

does anyone know any good videos or articles that explain the entire sky lore

[nimble ingot]

💀
That would be a lot of lore to go over...

[open holly]

In the isle of dawn you immediately go left and go in a sort of cave on the left side. At the end there’s a shrine sort of and a boat with 3 bulbs of light. What’s that about? Anyone know what I mean?