lore-discussion-spoilers

[nimble ingot]

Had to look something up.

There seems to be research that has to be done about photons and gravity. Apparently, photons are massless and gravity typically affects mass.
The more mass something has, the stronger its gravitational pull becomes.
This explains how density and size of objects can have some gravity to them. To see the effect in action is commonly done on a celestial scale (as far as how I understood things).

In theory, an object that is large/dense enough can attract or bend light, which is called gravitational lensing. Although it may be a visual effect as it seems.
Black holes are notorious to be near infintely dense and thus strong enough to attract anything. Whereas even light shone into it gets absorbed (hence the idea that light cannot escape black holes). It's gravity is so strong, any object caught inside it gets compacted to an obscene degree.

To imagine somethign capable of compressing itself so much that we cannot even see what it is made of is difficult to imagine. Let alone understand how would become as dark and dense.
We call it a black hole as that is all that we can see and understand. A black mass that is like a hole in the ground.
Just pure Darkness that absorbs Light.

[lyric imp]

the distribution of strength over distance is not necessarily sloped, but curved. [That sentence may require a graph to adequately explain]
Yes, gravity is proportional to inverse square of distance.
Obviously, Gravity also has a greater effect objects which have less mass than another, larger object nearby.
No, that's why if you drop a bowling ball and a feather in a vacuum, they'll fall with the same speed.

The have no "Atomic Weight" simply because they are so much smaller than Subatomic particles.
Absolutely not. Photons don't have very little mass, they have zero mass. If they did have mass, each photon would basically carry infinite energy and physics would break. They are affected by gravity for very different reasons which i will explain shortly

Regardless, Photons ARE affected by Gravity, however faintly; which means by virtue they must have SOME mass which is greater than zero.
So, gravity is not a force, but curvature of space. In simplest terms, you can imagine the space itself shrinking, being eaten up by the object with strong gravitational pull. That's the main misconception. Gtavity doesn't work on objects but on space.
Like everything else, the force from every side is Infinitely equal because the Universe extends an infinite distance in every direction. Meaning that no matter where a Photon is in Space, this Universal is distributed equally, and can therefore not be measured or witnessed because there is no relative point at which this force does not exist.
Kinda, though in our world the research on galaxy movements shows that it's not so obvious that this force is uniform.
The reason we only see light bending when it gets closest to the heaviest objects is because they are moving so quickly, they can enter and exit close proximity before Gravity has time to pull them in.
Gravitational lensing, yes
Which is why Darkstone only absorbs light that touches it. The field of Gravity that I described the Atoms to have would also be so hilariously Small, that only the very lightest particles could ever be affected, and only when they come "close enough". It's force is still so weak that the strength to pull anything with even close to 1 Atomic Weight doesn't reach outside of the Darkstone Atom.
As i mentioned, gravity is independent of the object being attracted, so the last paragraph doesn't really stand

Tbh it's not that such black holes could not exist (aside from them ceasing to exist in miliseconds due to hawking radiation), moreso i think you can imaginewhat would be the consequence of trying to build objects out of lots of minature black holes

[dull valve]

wait are we still talking about sky

[lyric imp]

Surprisingly, i guess...? I'm not sure myself at this point

[lyric imp]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[spark island]

It's a physics debate incorporated into the sky lore

[sharp lichen]

Funny enough, last year there was also a big physics thing in this channel

[plucky barn]

Could someone catch me up on the current lore that we know of?

[nimble ingot]

Cameras.
A curious invention by the ancestors.
Also, we learned the ancestors can be spiritual based on the monk, and have mined darkstone (expanded from season of aurora).

[plucky barn]

Ooo thank you! What about just uuuh I don’t wanna say base game but base game lore I find it hard to peice what’s happening

[nimble ingot]

Base game lore has rarely changed unless a season expands/changes what we learned about the lore.
Therefore, the non-season content can be seen as the beginning of the player's journey of Sky, rather a foundation for the seasons to base off.
The seasons are like new chapters that are added to the story as a whole. Rather than a prologue or dlc.

I like to think of them as seasons to a long running series, with the stories we experience are like episodes (and the quests/events are the specials that come up every now and again).

[plucky barn]

So what do we know about the story so far?

[nimble ingot]

It may be best to read documents theorists have made. Some explains parts of the theories about the canon lore in great detail. Others give a moth friendly summary/introduction.

Feel free to look at the pinned messages on this channel, as well as ask other users for lore docs (Baudshaws has done a good amount of research that I recommend).

Furthermore, I would suggest reading at your own pace, and feel free to ask questions on certain topics rather than 'what is the whole story of Sky?'
The answer would likely be that there is a lot to the lore, there is a lot to learn while reading about the lore, and the shortened answer would (in my opinion) be along the lines of "Sky is a game" and "Sky lore is open to interpretation".

[pastel brook]

A "moth" is a new player. They have brown wings, they flap around uncontrollably, and they are drawn to flame!

We’re all Sky all the time here, @nimble ingot

[plucky barn]

Ahhhh thank you so much for answering

[nimble ingot]

Lol I wish, bot.
But I am also on the sneep snorp hit list.

Back to Mouse:
Other folk here would be able to help you with your Sky journey. I have to get to bed soon.

I do wish you well with your expedition with Sky lore.
I hope to see you again in the lore chat.

[plucky barn]

Thank you for your help so far! It’s greatly appreciated

[sharp lichen]

This document has some amount of base game lore: https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

As for the main story, the simple version is like this: Once, there was a civilization of people now called Ancestors. However, a massive tragedy caused them to die and their souls to be trapped here as spirits. Now, Skykids must restore the civilization and save the Ancestors, as well as help others of their kind.

[plucky barn]

Thank youuu!!

[heady ember]

Does anyone wonder why the Elders don’t have capes? I imagine them used as a status symbol amongst the populace, as spirits who typically have capes also have a form of accomplishment/teach others (I haven’t researched this lol it’s just something I noticed) and I find it odd that the Elders don’t

[sharp lichen]

My question is, what capes would even fit on the elders?

[heady ember]

😂 really tall capes

[lusty merlin]

I mean

has a cape

The ones we skykids have are made of pure light while the ones ancestors would have would probably be physical and more skin to a fashion trend

[lusty merlin]

To be honest based on a ton of the spirits I also don’t think that capes are meant to be a status symbol either, like maybe in rare occasions like with the skater in the final quest, but most other times I just think it’s a fashion choice.

Like the abyss spirits all have capes, but they’re just looking for little shards. And a lot of other spirits are just doing regular tasks yet also have them like butterfly charmer, pouty potter ect. nothing really points to any of them doing something to have a cape as a status symbol

Not saying capes can’t be a sort of symbol, cuz I do think there are capes meant for special occasions that could be given or earned that are special. but like from what I’ve seen in game a ton of them just seem to be a way for one to express themselves

[heady ember]

Interesting, thank you for your thoughts!

[native galleon]

Also, they wouldn’t necessarily always wear the exact same things, i think they’d probably have a go-to style but they easily could have accessorized or changed it up a bit! We see them in the same memories over and over, and with the limitations of the game it wouldn’t make sense to have a lot of different versions of the same models. Also if we’re going with the assumption that they’re like. Large and in charge then they might have just found it easier to wear the same things rather than have a whole wardrobe custom made

absolutely would tho. They seem like the type to have coordinated outfits for every occasion.

[heady ember]

Ah, see I’ve made the assumption that the spirits can’t change their clothes after death (though I totally agree that the valley elders would be fashionistas in life) and they appear in the clothes most significant to them, but that also relies on the assumption that capes were significant to the ancestors

[native galleon]

oh i also agree they can't change their clothes after death!! idk if the clothes they wear are the most significant, or just what they were wearing in their memories, or something else

obviously with like passage or the dreams skater there are exceptions bc the clothes that change are significant

[heady ember]

Oh I didn’t consider that it could have been just what they were wearing in their memories 🤔

[fluid juniper]

maybe they’re just the higher-ups so they can fly without capes since they died in the very beginning, they’re dead after all, they maxed out all of their rebirths

[native galleon]

I dont think they can fly

[cinder crest]

The Ancients couldn't fly and I think that includes the Elders?

[fluid juniper]

oh their spirits can but when they were still alive, they couldn’t

that’s why when we relive memories, they’re not flying but when we say goodbye, they fly away because that was the end of the memory of when they were living

[native galleon]

yeah they sorta float to the elders temple but idk if that counts as flying

[heady ember]

Maybe capes were (like the others said) just a fashion thing that became significant to the Sky Kids after the ancestors passed because whoever (or whatever) made them made the sky kids in the ancestors image?

[cinder crest]

Yes.
Even in a few instances where they can be seen in the air they're never flying.
My favorite example of this is one spirit in the vault which looks like it's floating... except every position the spirit stops at is in the path of one of the moving platforms. Meaning the spirit just snapshotted the position of said platform when that specific memory took place.

[heady ember]

Also I think that the spirits ascending to the temple were just their souls getting yoinked because they ran out of memory lol

[cinder crest]

Remember, the Prince / King was a sky kid afaik. My HC is that capes became a common fashion thing among the ancients to honor Alef, or it was likewise just inspired by them. It sounds like the most logical thing to me.

(Correct me if I'm wrong on that first bit.)

Consider the fact that Cape wearing ancients are relatively uncommon. It could've been like a status symbol of sorts, since it'd be the Prince's signature garment.

(As far as I know)

[heady ember]

Forgive me but I’m not sure what afaik means

[heady ember]

Ah I brought that up earlier as that was my initial theory

[lusty merlin]

floats when you watch their orbit cutscene after completing their constillation but that’s pretty much it

[native galleon]

yeah from what we know they were a sky kid, but what makes us able to fly is winged light. so i guess whether or not they could fly depends on whether that existed in their time. personally i think it has something to do with the eden explosion and their memories scattering but that's just my opinion

[lusty merlin]

Yeah we can only fly because skykids themselves are nearly made of light and all with the help of the winged light, whilst ancestors and elders are probably made to be on the ground than in the air, but they can float, though only a short distance up

[heady ember]

I’m almost certain that the ancestors couldn’t fly using their capes, but they definitely had other flying mechanisms like the boats since a lot of their villages and temples are in the sky. It likely does have something to do with the shattering especially since the diamond shattery thing is the same shape as the boat’s power diamonds

[cinder crest]

That's fair. Though given Alef is implied to be special in some way I could just see them being born with the ability to fly, but I heavily doubt Winged Light existed back then. So if not then they either found another way to go about it, or they were just flightless.

But I personally think they could since the Ancient's capes were more for form than function. It had to have caught on somehow.

[lusty merlin]

They’re from the same material yeah, has the same properties that makes them fly and all. Boat travel so far was the sky kingdoms most popular transportation

[heady ember]

Maybe winged light existed but in another form? Now this is a stretch theory but it’s like how they capture the butterflies to power things, but when they tried to build too big of a generator, the shattering happened sending the light scattered about, and it just took the form of Winged Light

So the birds, butterflies, and light creatures are winged light, just unprocessed winged light and that’s why Sky Kids gain charge from being near them

[cinder crest]

The boats are basically powered by tiny, stable versions of the shattering diamond when you think of it.

And frankly if the Ancients could fly as freely as Sky Kids can then they'd have practically no reason to build things like the boats. Or tame mantas to fly on.

[heady ember]

That’s very true!!

I for one hate using the boats when I have to lol

[cinder crest]

I mean it wouldn't be winged light, it'd just be the the prince extracting light from creatures in the environment to power their flight. Removing enough to get anything even nearly equivalent to a WL from a living creature would probably be extremely unpleasant though...

... Except the Ancients already did that for practically everything else so the Prince / King doing exactly that sounds like exactly the kind of thing they'd do. At least later on. Or even just taking a small cut of processed light from other sources like the factory.

[cinder crest]

And yeah. I doubt any Sky Kid likes to use them, flying is so much more convenient for us. So why would we ever need to build / design those things? We wouldn't.

The Ancients definitely would've thought the same if they could fly. Add in all the other context clues of them being flightless and you understand why those boats would be so popular.

[native galleon]

Being a flightless species in a sky world sounds exhausting, I get why they depended on technology
ooh i might use that

[lusty merlin]

I think I’d perfer to rest than travel god knows how long to the ark by flying, unless you get into the clouds in the sky you’d run out of light super fast

[cinder crest]

IT REALLY DOES.

Like, all the bottomless gaps we have to fly over? every cloud tunnel we can fly through like it's nothing?

Imagine what that must've been like for the Ancients! they'd basically be huge death pits. And probably dangerous pits too, in the case of wind tunnels, since what happens if an ancient got blown off a ship?

@lusty merlin fair. There'd definitely be cases of sheer necessity like the ark, though realistically once the ship hits the cloud cover surrounding the ark a sky kid could jump ship if they wanted to.

[inland spruce]

Someone explain this: #screenshots-and-videos message

I’m curious lol

[heady ember]

Do we know why they moved to the sky? Clearly something had to motivate them, like the exodus from the isle of the dawn, but then in the further realms it appears they return to the ground only to fight each other

[lusty merlin]

Ambience noise I guess

[inland spruce]

But duck 🦆

Also hi lol

[heady ember]

It sounds like the noise the seal creatures make when you first disturb them maybe

[cinder crest]

Initially a need for space I imagine. I doubt they'd be able to fit their entire population on just the isle lmao

Plus the place has ample sources of ambient light to power things in the early days of their civilization.

[lusty merlin]

Plus more materials aswell and all

[inland spruce]

Really? I thought they make their normal chirping noise

[heady ember]

I’m not entirely sure lol it’s just the first thing that came to mind

[cinder crest]

Honestly, I'm more curious on how they made it to the Prairie without darkstone tech. Maybe Mantas lived in the Isle back when it was green and the Ancients tamed them?

Like, the Prairie in particular looks like it'd be really annoying for the Ancients to traverse. For us it's basically a cloud paradise where we can fly freely, but for the flightless Ancients the place is filled with death pits.

No other area in the game is like this, at least all the other areas have mostly solid ground for the ancients to traverse.

[lusty merlin]

I think that too, though they could’ve always just climbed up aswell

[heady ember]

The butterflies are definitely present in the Isle, which are later harvested in the Prairie so maybe that’s how? But there’s also a murial showing the king “giving” light or something like that (i’d have to go check I’m not certain)

[native galleon]

yeah and even though they're not Light Creatures ™️ they still have a connection to the stars and inner light, so they're just as much a part of the ecosystem as any other creature

[cinder crest]

The problem is without Dark Stone they can't use that energy to fly. And that would require, at the very least, getting to the forest I think.

And yeah. Them wanting to live in the sky out of a connection to the stars is as good enough a reason as any.

[heady ember]

Oh that’s very true, I hadn’t thought of that

[native galleon]

isle elder personally uses their light to power the boats out of pure stubbornness /hj

[heady ember]

They built a really tall ladder /j

[cinder crest]

Out of boats, of course.

[native galleon]

even after darkstone was discovered they just went and kept ferrying everyone themselves

[cinder crest]

I mean given the Isle Elder's implied disconnect with the other elders later on in the kingdom's lifespan, at least there'd be a reason

[heady ember]

Spite, an even more powerful tool than darkstone

[native galleon]

it's one of my sillier headcanons and i've phrased it in a very jokey way here but based on everything else about them i still kinda think it could be possible

[heady ember]

Would someone mind explaining the King to me? I read the lore document and I didn’t see them mentioned, though from my understanding they were either the first Sky Kid or Last Elder, who “ruled” over Eden before the Shattering and possibly caused the event?

[cinder crest]

It's a funny idea for sure
Though I think them flying up on tamed mantas is more likely, sadly.

[heady ember]

I love joke head cannons, it’s a nice break from the angst

[native galleon]

: i have to do everything myself around here
everyone else: you literally don't tho

[heady ember]

invents darkstone to make life easier Isle Elder refuses to use it darkstone later explodes

Isle elder: I KNEW IT

[lusty merlin]

Talked about them more here

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[native galleon]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message i think about this a lot

[cinder crest]

The King of the Ancient's Kingdom. I don't know if they really count as an Elder or not, at least in the same way the other Elders do since iirc the 6 Elders knew each other before getting fortnite dropped and the King is implied to be a Sky Kid.

Just read what Tac linked it said about what I was gonna say pfft
They definitely existed and they were the one who set the world on it's current path, maliciously or not. But their role beyond that is pretty up for debate.

[heady ember]

Awesome, thank you!

[cinder crest]

Seriously though this idea is so funny to me

Also: since the King was probably a Sky Kid, they were probably Terminally Short compared to their advisers / the elders.

[upper mortar]

It was already shown in the Concert that the ancestors already discovered darkstone tech by the time they got to Prairie. They used flying boats to get there just like how they got to other realms too. The flying boats are their primary mode of transportation but there were eco-friendly boats too that uses mantas to pull the boat with them just like horse carriages

[cinder crest]

Right.

[whole stag]

As I mentioned the mechanism by which wing buffs regulate radiation energy is still unclear so it has something to do with it. But in the presence of pollutants, that mechanism is disrupted and leads to an uncontrolled leak in energy.

[eternal cradle]

This game has lore???

[cinder crest]

Yes. Quite a bit of it, actually, it's just not overtly stated anywhere.

A lot of it is in the form of in-game murals.

[reef fulcrum]

...gravity is proportional to inverse square of distance.

Yeah, that's a much better way to word it.

..if you drop a bowling ball and a feather in a vacuum...

Define "vacuum" because I'm not talking about an environment with zero air under regular Earth Gravity. I mean the way two objects affect eachother. Humans are drawn to the Earth, not the other way around. If you released a feather and a bowling ball in Zero Gravity; the Feather would fall TOWARDS the ball... Not that it really matters in the long and shrt of what we were talking about, because...

Photons don't have very little mass, they have zero mass. If they did have mass, each photon would basically carry infinite energy and physics would break.

Mmmm, yeah. This is absolutely true. For a moment, I got hooked on Celestial Body physics, and was considering Photons as something they aren't. At least, the more I thought about it while playing last night; the less it made sense.

I mean, if I thought Skids could just arbitrarily control gravity, why would they need wings to fly? That's silly.

[reef fulcrum]

That said, I'm not even gonna really touch this second half, because you're absolutely right, and there's not much else to say about it. It definitely means I was wrong about how Darkstone functions, but I still want to believe it somehow operates on the principle that Darkstone Atoms are incredibly dense with ridiculous mass. (For an Atom) It just seems like the most appropriate "enemy" of a Photon-Based Life.

[reef fulcrum]

Check this out https://youtube.com/watch?v=4rTv9wvvat8&feature=share8

It's something that came in mind a lot when I was imagining how a Darkstone Atom could pull Photons using Gravity. Forgetting (obviously) that this
Thought Experiment is completely dependent on the observer to have mass. But, it's cool all the same.

[lyric imp]

Why would the king be a sky kid? In the murals we see skykids depicted in a very similar style (and in the same colour) to ancestors, but with wings. I don't recall any depiction of the king having wings. One similarity, though, is the same colour of the king in the cave murals and sky kid's icon on the map. But what points to the king being able to fly?

[cinder crest]

... was that in old concept art?
I forget

I know I heard it somewhere.

But if it's only in concept art that doesn't mean it's canon anymore. shrug

[lyric imp]

Oh, ossible in that case. We technically see them float above the mountain in the last cave mural, but idk if it's actual ability or some magic shenanigans

[lyric imp]

Possible? Imo either WL in some form is inherent to all living things in Sky, but possibly it only belonged to sky kids and served as their animating force and a something not completely unlike soul. The text after PNR says 'return the light to the fallen', meaning it originally belonged to them. I thought that 1 wl is the amount of animating force needed to keep 1 sky kid alive, but this theory breaks down when we look at capeless moths at the start of the game :c

[lyric imp]

What if the ancients created wind paths tunnels using cyan light exactly because normal travel took too long? We see spirits using boats in wind paths, so it might not be completely unreasonable

[cinder crest]

Maybe, maybe
I could def see them using them if it was safe.

[earnest briar]

There's no reason it wouldn't be safe. In fact we know that in life Lively Navigator would direct people safely through the Wind Paths using their knowledge of the air currents thanks to both their memory and their info card. The Wind Paths getting covered in rocks and Dark plants after opening up the Wasteland tunnel just seems to have been an unfortunate coincidence. (Though it's possible that judging by the Krill light in the cutscene one almost got through the tunnel but thankfully didn't. If it did, well goodbye Sky ecosystem because now everywhere is Krill Central.)

[nimble ingot]

That was interesting, thank you.

If this were to apply to Sky Light Awaits lore, this would be a very interesting detail for the infamous Blue Eden.

[lyric imp]

In trailer, the ancestors arrived to the isle of dawn, do they probably originated elsewhere

[lyric imp]

My best guess is that the cave episode came at the beginning of the timeline. The ancestors, while moving on from the isle, already had access to colour lights. Mind you, after being used in valley, cyan light somehow ended up back near the isle temple. It was either that, or flight is more achievable than we think. I'll now go to inspect isle in game

[balmy stirrup]

#beta-announcements

[native galleon]

based on the murals on the way into the cave of prophecies, it looks like the color lights were already found in nature before the elders received them and people learned how to use them, i think the enchantment quests are us collecting them in places where they would naturally be found

[hushed steeple]

Do you guys know if there’s a document explaining all of the basegame lore? (Like basically what the game explains in cutscenes but written in a document/article)

[sharp lichen]

Prairie Elder probably can’t wear them since they have a pot on their back. Also, Valley Elders can’t wear capes because they’re athletes

[sharp lichen]

This is the closest thing to it: https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

[sharp lichen]

It was probably because both Isle and Wasteland were becoming desolate at that time, so realms such as Valley became more central to the kingdom

[sharp lichen]

I think they did have boats to go around Prairie, after all look at the waving spirit

[sharp lichen]

The “King” is never directly referred to by name, it comes from concept art mostly. What we see in game include: Season of Prophecy murals, Eden murals, and the final Shattering memory. We can assume the King ruled well for a while and was well-liked. However, they created the Eden Diamond, which at first was benign, but eventually shattered and destroyed the kingdom

[reef fulcrum]

This makes me think a lot about the Diamond in the Vault of Knowledge. Not just the one over the Elevator, but over the Elder's Altar, too. How could they Relate to the Diamond in Eden, and are they actually Darkstone?

[viral bay]

I still wonder why or when was Vault built. Did the King sense that the kingdom is coming to an end and ordered to build a place for everyone to store memories/knowledge for the next living beings to come? With vault being underground it might've been a secret project too.

[sharp lichen]

I think Vault probably existed before the time of the King

[viral bay]

But before the king it coudn't have been as developed as now right? The memory/knowledge storing also relied on darkstones so i don't think vault was built for that purpose before

[sharp lichen]

To think of it, maybe Vault was an excavation/mine inside the mountain? Afterwards it got turned into something better

[viral bay]

That could explain the abundance of diamonds used in it, with the easy access to darkstone too.

I still wanna know what the elders were doing before the King existed

But there's no way to know

[sharp lichen]

Season of Prophecy murals show them basically doing the same thing they did now

[viral bay]

But darkstone wasn't always discovered, right?
Also the murals don't necessarily show the era before the King

[lyric imp]

You say so? The entrance murals depict current locations, but the later ones use the same colour light symbols to depict the story of them being retreived from trials by the eden elder

[lyric imp]

Checked: boats do appear to rely on darkstone. Aside from that, there's lots of boat depictions. Also, lots of darkstone.

[keen shore]

worth noting that it’s possible ‘a while’ was much shorter than most people expect it to be

[cinder crest]

I'm pretty sure the diamond over the elevator at least is darkstone ye
The altar I'd have to go look.

[lyric imp]

The priests in game appear to be associated mostly with vault, and it seems lime they doubled as researchers. Vault seemed to be all things science and wisdom, keeping track of events, doing darkstone research (we see priests in abyss murals), researching spiritual stuff, serving as actual priests. In our world, for most og history the wise religious people were also the ones who did science.

[reef fulcrum]

Science, wisdom, and HISTORY especially, imo.

[lyric imp]

We see in game it being partially inside the mountain, as it seems, but its peak seems to protrude high above the eden 1 entrance

[reef fulcrum]

It's essentially identical to the one at the Elevator.

[lyric imp]

I'm pretty sure the prophecy murals show the kingdom being established

[keen shore]

They’re depicted the exact same as skykids in murals, just without the winged light symbol over their chest. exact same model and everything.
& the kid in stargazer’s memory, which we can reasonably assume is them, is noticeably different from ancestor kids and looks much more like a skykid, even falling from the sky as a star like how we do

(we can assume it’s them because the memory was updated during prophecy and matches the murals of them very well. in stargazers memory them and voyager find the kid; in the prophecy murals them and voyager (voyager much more identifiable) send them off to the cave of prophecies)

so the theory that they were a skykid is currently the likeliest. (‘skykid’ might be a misnomer here, I tend to use ‘skyfolk’ for them, we don’t know if they grew up past ‘kid’ age but it seems likely)

[cinder crest]

then yes also darkstone

[cinder crest]

just without the winged light symbol over their chest.

Also a very strong hint no WL existed back then. Whether the Prince could fly or not is up for debate though.

[reef fulcrum]

Conversely, the next Room after that (the very final room of the Vault) shows us another identical Crystal, which has been destroyed, potentially by the awful force pouring from Eden. In what ways could this shattered chunk be different from the Supermassive one in Eden? More to the point, what caused it to break; that was different from the cause of Eden's Shattering?

[keen shore]

I ended up doing an analysis of the timeline from what evidence I could gather a while ago and as a result I feel I have a very different perception of it than most people here do

[cinder crest]

Elaborate?

[reef fulcrum]

I love hearing stuff like this.
Go ham, friend.

[keen shore]

EVIL SMILE

[lyric imp]

Oh god oh no i see why

Salem what have you done

[reef fulcrum]

I think I'm working my way back toward this suggestion. #lore-discussion-spoilers message

With the main difference with the ones in Vault being that they were constructed specifically for the Vault, and had to be charged for that purpose. While the Light in Eden was possibly already there before the Diamond (or at least just focused there or something) and caused the Diamond to "overload" when they tried to absorb it.

[cinder crest]

I, uh, meant that towards Salem oops
And yeah. Given the huge beam of light I doubt any one crystal no matter how huge could stably take it all.

Meanwhile the ones in the vault have a much more stable environment and are off most of the time.

[keen shore]

I posted a long thing in this channel a few months ago about it. If I find it again I’ll link it. But essentially:

I chose to start approaching the timeline by trying to place spirit memories along it. Some spirit memories show events that are especially important to lore, such as Stargazer’s memory showing the king falling (for convenience, since that’s the most common name for them, that’s what I’ll use), memories like Seed of Hope’s being during the war, and so on. Additionally, a lot of spirit memories either show other spirits (showing those two ancestors lived at the same time) or the same event, so they can be placed together.

So knowing this, I started placing all the spirits I could find along a loose timeline. I focused on Isle especially because at the time we were trying to debate whether all the spirit memories in Isle took place way before the others, including Stargazer’s, and what that meant for how long the kingdom had existed.

What I found through this was utterly fascinating. It turns out that through this method of analysis, it’s much shorter than we thought.

I used three assumptions for this that I could reasonably assume are true, because I would have no way of disproving them and it would get very frustrating and provide me with no real information otherwise:

• Every spirit we see in memories was alive at the time the memory took place.
• Ancestors live roughly the same amount of time as humans. (So, while they were alive = roughly any reasonable point in an 80 year timespan, or however long you think each ancestor involved lived)
• All Lightseekers know each other and probably knew each other while they were alive. Given how they interact in days of bloom, and the whole theory with them being the assembly scouts’ mentors, this seemed correct.

Rejecting Voyager also appears in Piggyback Lightseeker’s memories, and all three base game Isle spirits appear in Wayfarer’s quest. Both of these are important because both Piggyback and Wayfarer are members of groups outside of Isle; the Lightseekers and the Aurora spirits respectively. The Aurora spirits are a bit weird in terms of how they know each other; I focused on the Lightseekers, especially since some of them had other spirits in their memories too.

And so, with my assumptions, these things must be true:

Rejecting Voyager met Piggyback Lightseeker while they were alive who knew Twirling Champion while they were alive who knew Leaping Dancer and Confident Sightseer while they were alive who met all the Village of Dreams spirits while they were alive who knew Cheering Spectator while they were alive and — (You get the point. It goes on until you can assume pretty much everyone we know from Valley was alive at roughly the same time as Piggyback which means they were alive at some point at the same time as Voyager and Stargazer which means Valley was already very well established by the time the king fell)

It gets even closer if you assume all the Aurora spirits were alive at the same time (which I didn’t, but is certainly a possibility) as it links even more valley spirits, the height of darkstone mining, and the height of the war to the same time period, which in this case would begin when Stargazer’s memory occurred and end when the last Aurora spirit died (I estimate this as a span of 30-40 years at most)

Due to the animation project trailer showing what is almost definitely a younger version of Voyager and possibly Stargazer with the young king we can roughly guesstimate ages even further and basically that’s a really complicated way to show you how I reached a conclusion I had already suspected:

The civilization of Sky lasted a while. It became a kingdom much later.
My ‘best guess’ estimation for how long the kingdom lasted using this method would be 20-45 years.

[sharp lichen]

Salem timeline let’s goo!!!

[cinder crest]

Whoaaa
that's a lot more compact than I expected! great analysis!

[sharp lichen]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

There’s also my interpretation of the timeline in that message?

[keen shore]

So that’s the way I perceive the timeline. By the time the king fell, using this, Wasteland and Isle were probably already going downhill. Darkstone had been invented for a LONG time — we see one of the murals in prophecy showing the king heading to the cave in a flying darkstone boat. The threat of a slow apocalypse from darkstone, darkness, or something-else-that-would-take-ages-to-explain was already very much on the horizon. Maybe that’s why they prophesized a king in the first place…. as a hero to save them.

it explains why they’re a skykid. it creates great narrative parallels that back up a lot of sky’s major themes. and it answers a lot more questions like “if everyone died in isle a lot before the others and that effects the timeline, why didn’t anyone help them?” and the answer is they didn’t. they died at roughly the same time as everyone else. the timeline we see is much shorter than a thousand years or several hundred years or even a hundred. it’s probably less than half a century.

As you can guess, this contradicts a lot of common assumptions about Sky’s timeline, and puts a lot into perspective. We still don’t know for sure if it’s true or not, but personally I believe yes

[cinder crest]

So we're here to succeed where the king failed huh.

What kind of themes do you think it backs up?

[keen shore]

Community is a big one. The implication is that they failed from a lack of community (due to being the only skykid) whereas we succeed because we have each other

[cinder crest]

That definitely meshes well with the themes of the game. Poor King though...

[earnest briar]

Going off it, that would mean the King was chucked into the role of saving everyone with no clue what to do and little help from everyone else because they also had no idea what to do and was just trying their best to help. Except their best just wasn't enough, and things went from 'we have the chance to stop this. Maybe.' to 'The apocalypse is not on our doorstep but already in our house.'

[keen shore]

Pretty much, yeah

[earnest briar]

Tragic King who genuinely tried to help the Ancestors but accidentally caused their end instead theories my beloved

Characters who tried to help people but failed despite their best efforts are my favorite archetype. Especially if they feel guilt for failing and are trying to atone in some way for it.

[cinder crest]

Especially with the theories I've seen that WL are the king's soul scattered after the shattering, just makes that theory all the more poignant
(I have no idea how realistic it is though.)

[cinder crest]

God that's rough... when you put it like that no wonder the King failed to stop things. It's not really his fault is it?

Hell, even if he had the right ideas to make change. He's just one Sky Kid, we aren't fighters... that doesn't guarantee that the people would listen. They're not Sky Kids, the Ancients weren't close to Megabird and the Light in the way we are.

Now I'm just imagining him telling everyone to stop fighting as the civil war is raging on but things have already gone so far to hell that no one else cares anymore. And god that's just so tragic.

[earnest briar]

I actually have a different theory. So the symbol that pops up when we call that guides us across the realms to Eden is a star-looking thing, right? And the King/imagery connected to them is depicted as having a similar looking star. My idea is that that beacon symbol thing guiding us is actually the remnants of the King helping us travel the realms to free the Spirits and the Elders and then go to Eden to help our fellow Sky Kids ascend. Even in whatever the heck happened to them (probably eternal limbo) they're still trying to help the people they couldn't save and at least let their souls finally be able to find peace.

[cinder crest]

Either way it would be a tragic end for someone that was just trying their best.

[earnest briar]

Absolutely. Nobody was really the villain in this story.

[cinder crest]

Especially considering that well, something must have contained the diamond's eruptional initially. As seen in the concert, when it first blew it was raining devastation everywhere, all over the realms. Something must've stopped it.

And that exact point is also when the King pretty much permadies, with the devs saying he's not around to be saved anymore. I wonder if he did something to prevent the destruction wrought by the crystal from doing more damage than it had already done outside of the area around it? (i.e eden)

(It's also possible it just... ran out of steam so to speak though. With the initial cataclysm being from the diamond being overfilled with energy, and the continued devastation around Eden being due to it being fed energy which is continually expunged and thus not able to reach as far.

Still though something out of the ordinary must've happened to the king.)

[earnest briar]

Chipbeam I love that idea. Especially considering the spike above the diamond in the Elder Shattering memory with the King symbol. The sharp point is facing down towards the diamond, but it's not actually in the diamond despite it already having gone boom. What if it's signifying the King wasn't the one who caused the Shattering, but the one who contained it? Think about it! If it was already embedded in the diamond, then we'd have some kind of evidence to show that they caused it. But it's not! It looks like it's about to go down into the diamond, almost as if it's intended to be a plug or seal.

[keen shore]

My current speculation is that they were at the diamond explosion with everybody else but, unlike elders, skykids/skyfolk just can’t survive being absorbed in the diamond for that long. However, you’re right, there might also have been something else going on

[sharp lichen]

I think what remained of the King fused with the memories of the Eden Diamond and became the Void of Shattering

[earnest briar]

What if the King sacrificed themselves to act as a seal and contain the destruction to Eden? It didn't stop all of the damage from getting out, and Eden got completely wrecked, but for the most part all the other realms came out mostly unscathed (if you don't count everyone dying off.)

[cinder crest]

That's also an interesting idea.
Especially since it's what shows us the memories of the past... almost like trying to each us, a new generation of Sky Kids, a lesson about the past so we don't repeat it.

[earnest briar]

I think the idea of the King sacrificing themselves in one last desperate attempt to contain the Shattering's destruction from reaching the rest of the realms would be really interesting but also super sad and tragic. They gave up everything to try and save their people, even their own life. But it still wasn't enough. Augh, I'm giving myself feels.

[cinder crest]

And then they end up as the Void of Shattering afterwards

Definitely gives context to them not being able to be saved...

[earnest briar]

Now I regret not hanging out more in the Void of Shattering during the Season. I could have brought my kalimba and played music.

[cobalt palm]

OMG I feel like we need one of those theory graphs with bits of string to join which spirits appear in other spirits memories!

[sharp lichen]

Here's an incomplete one showing which seasonal areas are connected: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[cobalt palm]

Nice!

Personally, I have a bit of a theory that the ancients in shattering are the "stars" mentioned in performance, the two light ones being the ones that split and became creatures and other stars, and the dark ones bring the ones that glowed so bright they were alone burning out, or the one that burned bright for a final time to bring hope to the child

I would like to see more of the stories of the ancients of the void

I wonder if there is anything in the starry murals that we hadn't considered before as they didn't contain characters

[sharp lichen]

which starry murals

[cobalt palm]

Like parts of the Forgotten Ark that just seem to show clouds and stars, or the ones in the forest tunnel opposite the boats in the first area

Possibly even the one with boats at the passage rock (opposite side to passage guide)

[sharp lichen]

In that one, we see the spirits carrying what appears to be orbs of light on boats. It's the same ones we see in the Piggyback Lightseeker cave

[viral bay]

Woah. That kingdom era is hella shorts

[keen shore]

Yeah, it’s a lot shorter than I expected too. When I realized, it hit hard

[agile crane]

There is so so much I don't know about sky lore. Every time i think i have my headcanons established, i come here and my mind is blown

[viral bay]

Saaaaame

[agile crane]

I'm also always fascinated by the heavy themes of gold, especially in the two shipwrecks (little prince beach and wasteland), despite it never truly being mentioned elsewhere. There's tearful light miner, but that's the only mining we hear of

Not to mention how light blue/cyan is both a colour associated with light and corruption 💥

[viral bay]

Wait how are those areas connected? Did you mean geographically or like in between memories?

[agile crane]

They are definitely connected geographically in terms of flight , however i think it's via memories and events, due to their links at the top

Speaking of ! I love all the implications that season of flight added, in terms of the world of sky, travel and light creatures... not to mention how it put forest into a totally different light for me. Travelling between realms began to make much more sense.

I also love season of abyss, as it showed sort of rogue spirits? Ones that have questionable morality for how they treasure hunt for fortune and prosperity.... ah... and the paintings all throughout the sunken infrastructure are amazing.
And the multi-eyed krilloid....

[viral bay]

Woah woah wait. If Wasteland and Isle were already going downhill when the king fell, and they were supposed to become king to save the kingdom, whose idea was it to build an even bigger crystal to worsen the situation?

Was it the king themself, thinking that things would improve?

Or, if they knew that darkstone and diamonds were the problem, why didn't they stop its creation? They had power as king

[sharp lichen]

I don't think Isle became a desert because of darkstone, at least not directly

[agile crane]

Perhaps, much like real life, change is only searched for after greed has pushed too far. They didn't want to sacrifice the powerful technology of darkstone and all the developments it could make for them, so they instead sent the youth to fix it, when of course, they were underequipped.
Much like real life. Problems are left for the next generation to step up and take over.

[agile crane]

I never actually questioned isle's desert nature. I thought it was meant to be that way

[cosmic bronze]

Sorry to interrupt, but I just saw the Elder void for the first time, and aside from getting chills I noticed something…
The Winged Light at the top is not a single child as usual.
It’s two people embracing.
This has to mean something.

[sharp lichen]

In the Switch trailer, we see Isle to be a bustling grassland

[sharp lichen]

It's the exact same scene that happens to us in Eden

[keen shore]

The diamond might have been an attempt to stop the bad things from happening. It would’ve provided a lot of light energy, theoretically without having to harm any light creatures (as there was extreme conflict in wasteland over the ethics of that at the time) and could have helped a lot of people, But it backfired

[agile crane]

hmmm... truly very interesting. I think i prefer it as it is now, aesthetically, but otherwise, it's definitely a crazy thing to consider. I wonder if season of passage occurred when the ground was still green and grassy

[cinder crest]

GIven everything said above that was my opinion on the diamond too. Harvest the big light beam coming from Eden to generate energy without draining light creatures, only for it to backfire when Light Creatures were drawn to it anyway, proceeding to get eaten by it.

The absorbed light creatures slowly warped the diamond until the corruption grew too much for it to bear and then the shattering happens.

[sharp lichen]

I'm inclined to believe so, but it also makes me wonder: was the cave of prophecies also grassy at one point?

[agile crane]

Perhaps with the way the crystal was created, not only did it absorb the light beam, but any light that crossed paths with it, so light creatures, and as we see as skykids, it just sucks away our energy and often our wl as a result... i believe the crystal is suspended, hovering in the air, so when this intense sucking of all light created enough of a pressure difference, the crystal imploded, with most pieces still suspended, hovering in place, but vibrating with how much energy it stores, and other shards shooting off into eden and other places with just how much force the implosion had.

It was likely that the crystal was very flawed in design due to the importance of calming tensions and fixing conflicts, plus they didn't want more light creatures to be sacrificed.

[viral bay]

OHHHH YES you mean their idea was to use the Eden beam of light instead of light from creatures?

[agile crane]

Now only one question remains, does eden's light beam come from the ground up, or the sky down...

[sharp lichen]

I’m more willing to bet sky down

[viral bay]

If it's sky down it would've been "waste material" from the Megabird

[agile crane]

As am I, but why does it exist/do what it does? Would the Elders, spirits and/or ancients not be aware of it's origin and nature?

[viral bay]

Oh i'm sure they knew what the light location was. They worshipped the Light/Megabird in their religion, and in the concept arts, that site was named the Holy Site for light creatures to die and reunited with the Megabird

I'll see if i can find that art again

There it is

[viral bay]

So i'm willing to bet that it's from ground up

[agile crane]

Huh. Alrighty, but how are we sure this holy site is indeed mt. eden + the beam? Because eden is a mountain after all and this doesn't resemble one from what I can see...

[viral bay]

Also we fly up after dying and hugging the child of light in Eden!

[agile crane]

Indeed, but sometimes it doesnt seem like a beam directly up... more of like, a stream. And I wonder how it all stays intact despite the crystal...

Omg... the crystal corrupted because it interferes with the barrier between life and death for light creatures.... AAA

[viral bay]

That's the thing. The crystal couldn't hold the enormous amount of light being spewed at it every second, so it basically exploded, like a pebble attempting to stop a river.

[native galleon]

yeah even if the intention was to get infinite energy from the beam and stop the wasteful / inhumane process of draining light creatures, it would still massively interfere w the life cycle because light creatures are reborn through that beam when they die

[agile crane]

My personal theory is that once it got corrupted by interrupting the rebirths of so many creatures, it began taking that potential for life that would need light to fuel it, and sucking out the light from anything in its path instead of working like a turbine, letting it pass through.... and when the crystal had too much energy, got too dense, it imploded.

[native galleon]

also if the crystal was supposed to absorb the beam, wouldn’t that stop the spirits from being able to ascend? since they also go into orbit

[agile crane]

Indeed, that is why I think it was meant to work more like a turbine, not interrupting the flow of life and light. But again... it was a quick solution in a time of desperate need, so it likely was not planned very well, and blocked most of the beam anyway. Then when creatures of light didn't steer to the sides of the crystal instead of passing through, they'd then add to the growing corruption (and instability that comes with it) in the crystal.

I know that even with all these details it's still a very incomplete description of all the implications of the crystal and eden, but i think it's a pretty viable theory... please add on if you have any ideas !

The king was a little mechanic, like a chimneysweep, that they sent to fix the crystal

[native galleon]

That’s why they had to be a skykid, they needed to be small /j

[agile crane]

You got it !!

[cinder crest]

smol enough to fit in the crystal

[native galleon]

the crystal is pretty large tho

[earnest briar]

Hey, it's not like anyone was living or working there anymore. Plus those crystals weren't being used by anyone at the moment and some of them were actively keeping Mantas trapped, so it's just salvaging for important stuff, not stealing.

[agile crane]

Indeed but they were there for wealth in crystals, i remember seasonal quests mentioning as such

[sharp lichen]

Also, the morality is questionable on looting an ancient ruined site.

To think of it, the Abyss spirits are pretty similar to modern scuba diver thieves

[lyric imp]

This is sth that i realised when you started. At first i thought that the falling child was how normally ancestors were born (or something?) but the spirits in prophecy murals being stargazer and voyager changes everything.
The prince is depicted to arrive to the cave by boat, and all boats we see in isle seem to have power diamonds in them, meaning by that time refineries must have been constructed already.
Though i also thought based on trailer that ancestors arrived to the kingdom from somewhere else, guessing by the trailer. It's either outright not true, since they would need to use boats to go to the other realms, and boats required darkstone, or the first boats simply didn't require darkstone and operated on different principles, in which case the events from prophecy mural could have happened earlier anyway. The timeline hence might be tied to whether the ancestors arrivedfrom different lands as seen in the trailer, or if they were native to the realms... Though the theory based on spirit connections sounds compelling

Like the first boats could have just relied on creatures, like we see in the trailer and in wind paths

[lyric imp]

Imo the saving part may be where colour lights come in. Ancestors might have known that it was bad, although it might not have necessarily catastrophic, it was bad™️. Ancestors realised the extent of pollution, possibly wasteland was already filled with krills by that time, prairie's biodiversity might have been dying. Colour lights could have brought fertility and restoration to prairie, purified forest waters, and gave wasteland the courage and strength to face the monsters. Idk why valley needed cyan light tho

[sharp lichen]

To make things float and look cool

[nimble ingot]

By raising their buildings, they could have seen that as a sign of prestige. A status of living 'closer' to the Light by having a floating city in the Sky.
This in turn creates a divide from the ancestors living on the ground in the mountains. Being overshadowed and overlooked by the arrogance/pride of the upper class.

This may also have been the beginning of the clash that divided the ancestors.

[lusty merlin]

wind could be a poweful tool in the mountains, with wind you can control where the air goes, and could even prevent blizzards which would be common living in high peaks with snow. Not only that but it can be a good defence mechanism too, think of the wind walls for example (not saying thats cyan light doing but you get what i mean)

theres a ton of stuff cyan light can be used for, i even think the twins were the ones who made the cyclone leading to wasteland based on them having cyan light and the location

[nimble ingot]

That would be very interesting given their old elder cut scene was them going around each other in a cyclone.

[sharp lichen]

Beyblelder

[reef fulcrum]

I've tried to read back up through it all, I've missed a lot, but this comment in particular sums up something I've been thinking about Darkstone since I asked about the Diamond at the Vault.

Is Darkstone actually not a "bad" thing?

Was it inherently wrong to use it in technology after all, or was all this death and cataclysm actually for the greater good?

Depending on what you think is represented by the Eden Beam; perhaps by becoming captured by the Diamond, the ancestors effectively bound their spirituality to Darkstone. There's still no answer for what kind of Solid Matter actually comprises a Sky kid's body, but argumentatively; it shares properties with Darkstone. I think there are still people who would argue it's the same material. If Darkstone existed far before The King, and he ultimately couldn't stop the Eruption; maybe it was something of a necessary step in our "evolution".

"Every new beginning comes from some other beginning's end", right? In the end we know the ancestors are still with us in the cycle of Life. We could be the immortal product of their sacrifice. We will save them, they will ascend. For all the pain and suffering, the New Form of Life that Souls have achieved (possibly with Darkstone to thank for it) may be the ultimate purpose.

[earnest briar]

No, darkstone has always been an allegory for fossil fuels as far as I know. In small amounts, it's not bad. But when everyone is using it, and so much and so often? It becomes a massive issue. The problem wasn't the darkstone itself, it was how people were relying far too much on it while ignoring the consequences they were bringing by doing so.

[nimble ingot]

Agreed.
Adding to this, the ancestors refined darkstone. This in turn increased their power and that may have off set the balance between light and dark when this power were to be misused.

[reef fulcrum]

"so much so often" brings up another interesting headcanon I had about Darkstone Technology, and now's a good time to ask if it's reasonable...

'at first you can do a lot, with just a little bit of light. The more times you use a machine, the more and more light it will require to continue functioning.'

Whereby, the Ancestors would've become more and more desperate to fuel it as more of it was invented and built, and their society became more dependent on it.

Ultimately leading up to the demand to harness a massive source.

To try and harness one anyway.

[earnest briar]

Think of it like how people weren't taking the overusage of fossil fuels and the impact it would have on the world's climate seriously at first. Then even when people did start listening and trying to do something about it by trying to find cleaner alternatives, we still have people claiming the effects and consequences of fossil fuel usage are a hoax and global warming doesn't exist today. On top of that, fossil fuel usage still has a stranglehold on the energy market since it's more convenient to use and countries who don't have the ability to install wind turbines or solar panels all over the place because of how expensive they are have to rely on it because they literally have no other option. Lastly, many countries who supply fossil fuels to the rest of the world don't want to stop doing that because it's a very large source of income that they need.

It's not as simple as saying "Everyone has to stop using fossil fuels/darkstone right now." If people rely on something because they have no other option, then taking it away out of nowhere will only hurt them. Finding a way to get them a clean, cheap, easily accessible, and sustainable energy source they can use in place of their previous energy source would be the better course of action instead of snatching away the thing they need and screwing them over because 'this is bad and it's not going to be used anymore by anybody because we said so'.

thank you Economics class, I never thought this would be relevant to the funny flying child game but here we are.

[reef fulcrum]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

I think you should watch "Planet of the Humans."
It's a very enlightening documentary about Green Energy with up-front math from people who know better than either of us.

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@keen shore
I absolutely Love your Timeline Theory. I think it's rock solid. I find your research into who-knows-who among the Ancestor Spirits to be outstandingly thorough, and effectively incontrovertible.

That said, I always had some kind of assumption that the society existed ling before The King, but I had no ideas about Timespans between things or when Darkstone would've been introduced. I also do disagree with your assumption that Ancestors only Lived as long as Humans, but in comparative sense; between them and eachother; that ultimately makes no difference. Even if the Timeline as you described it is essentially s t r e t c h e d it doesn't really make a difference as far as which Events happened before others.

All of that said, if we do go off of your model, it does beg another important question. Which I ask, not to dispute your timeline, but the detail in question...

Can we still be sure at all that the "Eden Elder" and The King were ever the same person?

If Eden existed before The King, it stands to reason that it already had an Elder... Which is calling in a whole host of questions about the other Elders, and whether the position as "Elder of Eden" does or does not effectively equal the Singular Leader role that we attribute to the King. Rather than just another Elder alongside the first 6.

.
Maybe this is (as you put it) another "common assumption" which your Timeline may suggest could be untrue?

Somebody said something about the possibility the Winged Light is the Scattered remnants of the King's Spirit. Which is something I kinda like, but is hard to reconcile with the fact that the King didn't have Wings.

Maybe when the Dev's said "not around anymore" they were only referring to the Eden Elder. If, after all, the King was a seperate person; and kinda regardless of whether or not The King is (lol) all around everywhere, actually, you just gotta kinda pick up the bits.

[nimble ingot]

The part about the elder before there was a king in Eden part gave me thought.

In Light Awaits concept art, the elder(s) of Eden were given non-canon placeholder names Alef and Resh.
The former was the supposed Prince of Sky (not to be confused as the Little Prince), and the latter the name for the King.

I wonder though if it would be possible that the old elder of Eden was about to retire and let the Prince be coronated and take their place?
However, something went wrong that cause the darkness to spread.

Either the old King did not allow the coronation to happen and left the realms without a new ruler (therefore becoming corrupted in death?)
Or the prince became corrupted from the power of being King and undid the harmony the kingdoms were building up towards?

[nimble ingot]

The 'cannot be saved anymore' reference was to the development of Eden back in Light Awaits. Where the King shown in concept art for the realm was removed from the live game).
Rumor has it there were plans to add the King, but has been scrapped with the dev's response (in lorechat I believe?) confirming this.

However, with the subtle clues added with updates and seasons, there may be a different way for the King to return. As the devs cryptically hinted at them being in a different form than we would expect (I'll look for that comment to quote it).

[keen shore]

Thank you so much!! It’s gonna take me a while to reply to all the responses on my timeline theory, but I’m tackling this one first. In short: we don’t have enough information to say without a doubt that the Eden elder, the king, and/or the prince, are all the same or different people. This is the (or some of the) most vague characters in the game. I’ve spent a year and a half in this channel picking apart the game for details and only have essentially scraps compared to every other character.
(I have more but discord is being weird)

Personally, I believe they’re all the same person. Again, not a lot of evidence, so this rests largely on speculation. The reasons I think this is because:

• We have no evidence of other different looking people in the same position, except for the murals in the vault cutscene, which I hesitate to use as solid evidence to say there’s multiple Eden leaders because: the ‘standard’ mural for the king is already really vague, so it could just be them with more detail, and it depicts the Valley elders differently (with different headdresses) to how we see them, so a design change in it isn’t unprecedented.

some more complicated reasons:

• You probably know about the whole ‘each realm is themed after a stage of life’ thing by now. Eden is themed after death (and rebirth). What better way to represent that in an elder than one who, from our current perspective, might as well be dead?
• (this one is weird so bear with me). There’s a theory that Each elder has a creature they’re associated with that their hair resembles. is folded bird wings, is a butterfly, and so on. What’s interesting is that as you fly up to Orbit from dying in Eden, you can see each of these creatures appear roughly in order corresponding to your journey through the realms: a bird, then butterflies, then jellyfish, then mantas, then a whale, then ancestors, and then, skykids — suggesting that’s what an Eden elder would be associated with

[keen shore]

Here’s the mural I was talking about because I have time now! You can see that one of the ancestors has two horns depicting a mask like Voyager’s and that they’re with another ancestor, who we can assume from context clues is Stargazer. Fascinating stuff

[nimble ingot]

Seraph: "They said there was an eden elder but we don’t see them in game because there’s nothing to save" (mod that has been in the game since Light Awaits)
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

Seraph: "They said there used to be one
But there’s nothing left to save"
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

Reika: "Prince and the King kind of exists, but we leave that up to you to interpret their roles in the lore" (dev)
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

pretty slim pickings (the mention could have been a live stream.)

[raw moon]

I have a question or lore chat (I dunno too much about the lore other than dark stone and stuff so I might sound dumb) but why are the valley elders so young looking? They are called the elders and the rest of the elders seem middle aged or old, so do the elders just not age? I know that valley is supposed to represent adulthood, but the valley elders look like older teens to me.

[nimble ingot]

Each realm represented a stage in life.
Dawn-birth, day-childhood, forest-adolescent, valley-adulthood, wasteland-midlife crisis, vault-elder, eden-death, orbit-rebirth.

Valley is a competitive and energetic realm, which is reflected in the elders looking like athletes. They may be smaller than the other elders, but the variety in the cast made them look more nimble.

[lyric imp]

Devs said they wanted shards to be there from the beginning but were able to implement them later on. Imo possibly shards made the ancestor extinction faster, but darkness pollution, creatures and war could have been among the causes. There's also the possibility that once prairie fell, the rest of the kingdom starved to death, which seems the only explanation i can think of to why vault would die off

[lyric imp]

'Eden elder is not around to be helped anymore' 💀💀💀

[lyric imp]

Imo thus is where the isle elder's exclusion comes in. The king trued to save the kingdom by building a huge darlstone diamond and chucking countless animal souls into it and isle elder had a feeling that it wasn't a good idea, which is why he's not on the eden gate... And why shards don't fall in isle. Shards are a retribution of the trapped souls

[lyric imp]

It's also on the map shrines, so imo it may be just a universal direction symbol

[lyric imp]

Wow, i forgot that was in the concert. Imo it jist running out of steam sounds fair though

[keen shore]

fun fact isle may be represented by the door!

[native galleon]

it’s a popular fanon idea that they’re the youngest, i don’t know where it came from exactly but i like it! i also still think they look like adults, just a bit on the younger side. then again we don’t know for sure

[lyric imp]

Those thibgs are darkstone containers and the shipwreck was probably coming back from reef, fully loaded. We see the exact same containers by the polluted geyser and at the sodes of both refineries in the places that darkstone would come in in concept art.
Aside from that, activated power diamonds seem to display a force not unlike magnetism, but working on gold. Seen in 8 player puzzle, golden corcles in both refineries, bells, and the rings of citadel. O suspect there's more gold hidden inside many more mechanisms, but it isn't shown.

[native galleon]

maybe gold is a much more common material and doesn’t have the same status as a luxury thing, i’ve seen the idea that it could be a conductor of sorts for light which is cool!! but even if it was more common and possibly a utilitarian thing, i also think the ancestors still recognized that it’s pretty and shiny and used it to make stuff look nice as well (i mean, look at like….all of valley for example, lol)

even a lot of the wasteland ruins have plenty of it seemingly for decoration, or look like they used to

though that particular similarity is part of a whole other can of worms eheheheh

[lyric imp]

I've been thinking about the beam and i'm not sure if the crystal was meant to harvest it. When we're beyond PNR, we can see the crystal spinning slightly above the ground, and there's no beam below it. In trailer, based on today's earlier conclusions we can pretty confidently say we could see kingdom's prime rather than its beginning and i'm not convinced the child in the triler was the prince. Do we ever see the beam with no crystal (aside from ambiguously drawn prophecy murals)?

[native galleon]

omg i. went on here to post some screenshots for my friends and now i’m 20 minutes deep in theory rants again
…i’ve done worse tho

[lyric imp]

I think it was said by devs in shattering that it spews shards bc of memories rather than energy overload

[lyric imp]

Same, as long as the beam is absorbed and not produced by the crystal. It would feel kinda weird if the beam goes down, but in the cutscene sky gids flow up along it. Recordings of eden and disneyland may come in handy

[lyric imp]

Or eden was built at the end of timeline to accomodate the king along with his gem

[lyric imp]

Guys, i think we need to make a lore iceberg. At the top there would be normal stuff like darkstone, and at the bottom there would be stuff like black holes, two kings and frozen time being canon

[lyric imp]

Sounds like it confirms the theory of them being trapped in the crystal rather than dead, if that's an actual quote. Baudshaw may be right about the king becoming the void of shattering (or sth along those lines)

[lyric imp]

The base node of the constellation symbol? Also thought about it

[lyric imp]

This channel is a damn trap

[keen shore]

No, the door into Eden. Many doors in Sky are shaped like their elder statue so the symbolism may carry over.
After all, with the possibility ancestors came from somewhere else to the Sky realms (will elaborate on this more tomorrow, it’s actually a really compelling theory, there’s more to it) they are the door to the Sky realms both for us and ancestors; and the door to the afterlife (for ascending spirits)

[lyric imp]

Very interesting and a bit compelling. I would think that if they were to be represented, it'd be at least remotely similar to the way the other elders are represented, though. Hence my idea with the constellation symbol, though evidence for either seems insufficient

[lusty merlin]

Elders could be more of a tiltle than then actually being old (but I do hc the elders are older physically). So the twins could be the youngest out of all of them. I do think they don’t age either thinking of timeline wise and the fact there’s no hints of other elders existing before the main seven

Well you do have isle elder looking older than the rest, but maybe elders would age a lot slower than usually then? That’s what I think atleast

[reef fulcrum]

Which is especially possible as I like to believe the Ancestors average lifespan was several times more than a human's. I mean, right now Sky Kids are dying every week (because we have a certain world-ending cataclysm to clean up after) but who's to say what our potential lifespan could be, or if it's not the same as our ancestors.

If it's one of those "technically-immortal-as-long-as-you-aren't-killed" situations; they could've easily built whatever in the Timespan of "one king's lifetime".

Idk if I want to say the Ancestors "cannot die of old age", but one question I've ALWAYS had about the Elders...

Are they all still Alive?

They very much interact with our characters in cinematic, and they don't seem to be translucent like the rest of the Ancestor Spirits. Have they just been waiting all this time in the Temples for someone to offer them a shred of Light?

[native galleon]

they seem to be in a sort of weird limbo since the explosion, we don’t know

[earnest briar]

Personally I believe the Elders got stuck in minature Voids of Shattering due to the close proximity to the diamond when it went kaboom because it sucked out a large chunk of their natural Light. They're not dead, but they're very weakened and are unable to escape because with everyone dead there was nobody left to bring offerings to their Temple to strengthen them for a very long time. But by completing a realm's constellation, the candles, hearts, and AC we give to the Spirits also reach the Elders through the connection they formed to help said Spirits reach the Light. These offerings restore the Elders and give them the strength to escape their Voids and ascend to Orbit too where they can reunite with their people and each other. As thanks, they gift us their blessings in the form of learning to mimic their appearance, and a sacred mask infused with their gratitude to protect us on our journeys.

[viral bay]

Yes in the aurora concert the beam is there but the crystal isn't.

[viral bay]

Who's to say that the King didn't get stuck in the diamond on purpose?

With the timeline and theory established made by Salem, if the King was the first skykid whose mission is to save an already deteriorating civilization and realizing that they made the end of it, instinctively they would try to undo their mistake and protect the kingdom, even if it's too late.

Others have already said this but we see the black-hole-doom-situation only present in one realm, Eye of Eden. Perhaps them being stuck in there is what contained the corruption to only Eden (minus the much smaller scale corruptions leaking out into other realms).

Edit: oops i just reread your message and it said Elders, not King

[earnest briar]

If you backread to earlier today, I did propose something like that. That the King sacrificed themselves to act as a seal on the diamond and contain the destruction, which is symbolized by their insignia spike thing above it in the Elder Shattering memory.

[viral bay]

With elders though i think they just got so weakened by the corruption that they can't exist physically in the Sky world anymore.

In the shattering memory, they got blasted away from the crystal while the symbol resembling the king is above the crystal, pointing towards the cracks (and also the hugging wls), suggesting that they got inside the crystal, whether intentionally or not

[viral bay]

Oh I didn't saw that it was you😭
Apologies

[native galleon]

one thing i always noticed is the wl glow isn’t there in runaway but it is by the time we get to warrior

also the temple/castle/whatever it is was there the whole time

[viral bay]

Yeah with Salem's timeline Sky civilization was already well developed and already deteriorating by the time of king's birth.
With the whole prairie villages and temple being built on clouds I wouldn't say it's impossible to build a floating castle near the light beam of Eden

[viral bay]

Maybe after the Eden explosion the ancestors lasted far longer than we thought

[native galleon]

the beam is still very gold and healthy looking there tho ?? my working assumption is that those memories respectively take place before and after this

how long before and after, i don’t know

And then there’s passage which has neither the floating castle thing nor the halo (image credit to Salem)

[viral bay]

The king's glow is the same as the wl glow and the eden glow, just sayin (theory of wl being parts of the king and king as a wl hugging us in the crystal)

[native galleon]

That’s basically what i think yea

[viral bay]

Dang. Then the passage quest tradition were hella old then, before the diamond and the Eden castle

Perhaps one of the first traditions created to train young ancestors life skills and improving themselves, kind of like schools

Now that i think of it Sky rn is such a jumbled mess in terms of present past and future😭

[native galleon]

I don’t know about the exact details but my general working theory is:
Castle with halo = the king is in
Castle without halo = prophecy has happened so they’re like? expecting the king maybe?
No castle, no halo = A n c i e n t

[native galleon]

yeah there’s just different ideas about the timeline as well!!

[hushed steeple]

omaigad

i go for like
7 days

and there are huge text chinese walls

[sharp lichen]

It’s physics time baby

[cold holly]

How big are the shoulder crabs in real world measurements?

[jaunty cove]

I didn't mean 'unfair' that it is IPAs, I mean 'unfair' that TGC told players before that those IPAs were limited, they shouldn't bring back something regarded as limited, just should create new IPAs
But anyway nothing could be changed, just a thought of a player, doesn't matter anyway

[lusty merlin]

I mean i guess they didn’t expect in the future they’ll reopen the concert?

[floral grove]

I'll go do the math

[whole stag]

Where do seasonal spirits come from? Or they are always there in that realm which is just undiscovered to us. 🤔

[lusty merlin]

Probably the later

[floral grove]

From the legs to the top, it's around 0.11m (4.33 inches or 11 centimeters). But do keep in mind that the shoulder crab is tilted a bit, so the height could just be around 2 inches (5.08 centimeters) to 3 inches (7.62 centimeters)

[cold holly]

Thank you much!

[lyric imp]

Unrelived\daily spirits and little prince's planet and colour lights have the same halo effect

[lyric imp]

Or castle with halo is castle built, but crystal - not yet. Or there is an even weirder option, where the crystal gained the halo after the shattering, maybe after absorbing the king who also gained the glow at some point. Or crystal and king could both glow, but it'd be two different glows at different points in the timeline...
Tbh i'm starting to have a feeling that the devs just forgot about those details and slipped several times, causing the topic to be super confusing

[distant horizon]

Why are sky kids hair white instead of other colors?

It's cause skids genetic make up is stardust. Their hair is stardust that's not as packed together as the body is. This is also why the hair is white because of the normal shine stars have in space. The body is also more of a soft, earthy type of compound due to the stardust compacting together to create it.

Thank you for coming to my Ted talk

Why can skids look the way they are and we can't? We're basically the same thing!

It's cause we evolved over many years, skids bodies are created in the matter of minutes

[earnest briar]

You took 9 days to respond to one of my messages and pinged me at 12:30 at night? If it's going to take you that long either reply to it sooner or don't reply at all.

[agile crane]

Note how the crystal is there in runaway, and it evidently takes place in desert isle, not when it was lush. I'm not so certain that the crystal is in warrior though, meaning it may not be in chronological order (or just in reverse chronological?)

[viral bay]

Yeah but i feel like it's not the same thing if it isn't the white halo

[agile crane]

?????? ("teamwork/ritual" spirit from 8 player elevator)

[viral bay]

Y'all got too much valid points 😭

I just want my headcanon to be true

[agile crane]

I think it still could be true. We as sky kids only see function in the wl we carry if we are not extinguished. So what if when we are lit, our flame is strong enough that joining it with another carrier of wl (pieces of the prince) replicates his glow?

[viral bay]

I don't think there was ever castle with halo but without crystal.
I think the crystal is what caused the halo to begin with, bc the moment the giant crystal project was launched, the moment it was placed into the beam, it exploded, blasting the elders away, blasting the King apart into wl, and trapping what's left of him in it.

[agile crane]

Although i disagree with that theory that the crystal immediately exploded i do think that the king's lightless husk/body was caught in the crystal, with his light being split and floating down to the kingdom realms below... thats why it was dubbed winged light. It floated down, appearing to fly. Also, i think as soon as it landed, it stayed looking like , until the skykids first were sent to restore the light. Then the wings used what little light energy they had to reflect the form of a skykid looking toward orbit to usher us skids onward

[viral bay]

Yeah what I've been thinking is that the King, the first skykid, whether since his birth or after the trials, has always been much more powerful than our current species of skykid. I think the megabird invested a lot in him, and after seeing the failure that he was in saving the Kingdom (no offence to Resh my beloved), they decided to make a community of weaklings, getting stronger over time with each other. The more we collect wl, the more we become powerful like him.

[agile crane]

Strength in numbers, sense of community >>>> one annointed saviour with no real understanding of how to halt the problem at hand

[viral bay]

Yeah it aligns with the narratives TGC has been pushing

[agile crane]

And with the parallels sky imagery has to real life as well 💔

[agile crane]

Btw does anyone have a bit of a rundown on the significance/roles of the megabird? I wanna learn about them in more detail

[viral bay]

I recommend you to check out Tom Zhao's concept arts on his website
He used to work at tgc and there's lot of interesting stuffs about the king as well

[lyric imp]

I thought wl is bright yellow while eden crystal had slight orange tint

[lyric imp]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message looks like castle without halo

There was a quote about shattering i think on tgc website where it was said that 'memories of the past can be too much to bear even for a mountain' or sth. I can't find it rn, if anyone remembers where it was, please help. Either way, i thought shattering happened because of crystal's origin story rather than being put into the beam

[earnest briar]

I like to think it's more metaphorical than literal. Something along the lines of 'hey the diamond is gonna start going kaboom again like it did in the past get ready for chaos' instead of the mountain itself getting depressed.

[lyric imp]

Still, splash text in eden 3 says 'retun the light to the fallen'. I suspect WL originally belonged to sky kids and was scattered all over the kingdom when their original WL was split from their body. I do realise we exist without WL at the beginning, but i suspect it's a design choice since it would look weird if we died at -1 WL

[earnest briar]

Unless the mountain is actually something like Alexander from Final Fantasy in which case heck yeah kaiju mountain

[lyric imp]

Though the shattering memories seem pretty literal. It looks like it's connected and relates to crystal's sentience

[agile crane]

Umm i think it's like, those are just the remains of other skykids like us, created after the fall of the king/prince, who use the energy from shards of him to be birthed. So our first wl marks our life truly beginning in sky

[whole stag]

TGC - “what ya guys even talking about 😧”

[lyric imp]

It's contested if megabird made it to the final iteration of lore, hence you can see some people say the Light/megabird, since in current version we don't really see the shape that was meant to depict megabird in concept art. One slight hint is that the lines incredits and the starry shapes in orbit vaguely look like a bird from the side and it has a chance of being intentional.
In terms of the Light, which seems to play a somewhat similar role in the final release to megabird in concept art: a not very well defined complex concept that seems to have several meaning, including a metaphysical place and state of existence, some sort if absolute, good, a grand principle of existence, possibly cycle of life, etc. You get the point. It's not necessarily exactly those things, but essentially the Light seems to be analogous to some vague spiritual concepts in our world

[agile crane]

Appreciated ! So the megabird was another name for The Light?

[lyric imp]

Ehh, good question. I'm not sure if anyone knows how much of the original concept of megabird remained in the Light, but some people use them interchangably

[lyric imp]

You're saying that as he died, he basically split into sky kids?

[agile crane]

His life force split into winged light, he was a stronger version of a skid, and now those pieces of him are what keep us alive

Well, that and fire to kindle us

[lyric imp]

I see. Well, we see both him, and probably all sky kids originally falling from the stars and being able to survive without collecting WL, we die when we lose all WL and are resurected when we are given 1

Honestly to me it kind of looks like he was a normal sky kid and it's just that all sky kids are born with a single WL that's sufficient to keep us alive (mind the dispairity between 1st birth and all rebirths). Upon death, sky kids WL returns to the world to be found and brought back to its body

[agile crane]

We were made as weaker, we are a skykid vessel for bringing the king's pieces back to the crystal in eden in a futile attempt to keep patching it up.
Thats the theory anywayyyy

[lyric imp]

Hm, so you're saying sky kids have 2 goals, with one being bringing WL to dead sky kids and the other being bringing extra WL to the crystal?

[agile crane]

Yes because those dead skykids are then reborn and add to the global effort to patch up said crystal, which is where the king supposedly is, holding it together

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, especially considering the two main ways of recharging light is

1. Other friends, which the Eden Elder didn’t have

2. Light creatures, which would probably get absorbed by the Eden Diamond

[soft citrus]

I was making characters in sky and just wondered if skykids have ages

[keen shore]

Fun fact: when we enter Isle, and at the start of the Isle elder’s cutscene, these two cutscenes of Eden always play. I put them in order. My current theory is that they’re a memory of Eden at the moment of explosion (I can elaborate on why I think this in a bit cause I need to eat breakfast) but they show a very similar thing to what your screenshots do (the winged light parhelion sparkle thing)

[sharp lichen]

Not really, they’re physically immortal and their maturity is somewhat that if a child

[keen shore]

We don’t know if skykids aged physically or mentally cause our oldest examples to observe are only a few years old, so you can venture into headcanon a bit with that if you want

[soft citrus]

okay, ty!

[spiral vault]

They can't ever save me and the creatures, they can't ever save themselves, nobody was saved, everything shattered in the crimson red sky

[earnest briar]

Granny was able to intimidate the diamond into not putting shards right outside her tree anymore during meals, I think we're doing just fine actually.

[spiral vault]

ARRRRGHHHH NOOOOOOOOOOO

#lore-discussion-spoilers message
I have flashbacks NOOOOOO

[spiral vault]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[hushed steeple]

...:

AW DAMN!

i had a theory yesterday since i edened, but i forgot it DX

Also, i have realised that the structure at the very end of eden before orbit, looks like the halo y'all were discussing or whatever

[lyric imp]

Eh, possible tho it looks to me like it would be hinted a bit more strongly if the king was the one trying to keep the crystal together. It'snot clear that the crystal is being helt together atm by anyone or that the initial explosion was in any way contained

[lyric imp]

Now we know why he failed - king just ran out of energy and had no convenient way to recharge

[spiral vault]

The King's energy is delicious

[grave garnet]

the theory about the king is really interesting, i think in the future we can get to know him better

[spiral vault]

they're trapped in the void, I did it

[sharp lichen]

I mean they are completely dead

But I won’t oppose learning about them in the past

[spiral vault]

My void is a vacuum, they can't breathe cause there's no oxygen /j

[cosmic bronze]

Just gonna think out loud here for a minute
Do skykids feel pain aside from their light being drained? I imagine the rain stings like cold water and the tainted water burns like acid, and losing winged light probably hurts too. But we’re just fine no matter how many times we slide across sand in bare feet or nosedive into a stone wall. Ancestors were evidently hurt by weapons; did those weapons somehow incorporate darkness in order to cause harm? Or are we only vulnerable to cutting damage and not blunt or scraping damage?

[lusty merlin]

i always imagined skykids we're made to be crazy durable so we can fly with no consequences so maybe the later. I feel why we mostly dont see skykids in pain other than ascending even if we crash into a wall was so we wouldn't feel bad if we make a mistake like that. Like i swear its intentional that the noise of us bumping into things is made to be a ding so we wont feel bad about it I know i heard of that being the case but sadly cant remember where i heard it from

[keen shore]

Skykids do seem to feel pain in one other instance — pulling out their winged light in Eden. They also seem to be in a lot of pain in limbo, clutching their chest very hard, although I think that counts as their light being drained

[lusty merlin]

that too ya!

[keen shore]

I wonder if they can only feel cold, and since they rarely feel it it’s analogous to pain for them

[lusty merlin]

i can see that! we can stand in fire so i feel heat at most would just be a nice warmth

[native galleon]

my skykid looks so comfy in fires ngl

[winged bison]

they can feel cold if they stand out in the rain long enough, they will automatically shiver

[native galleon]

and in the first part of eden

[cosmic bronze]

Lol, mine too

[cosmic bronze]

Perhaps, especially since it would be a deep internal cold. Valley is snowy so I don’t think external cold is much of a problem, though it might be a little uncomfortable

[keen shore]

That’s what I’m thinking too. Imagine being used to only warmth for the most part due to burning so hot and very rarely cold temperatures, then suddenly feeling this deep, numbing, painful cold inside your chest

[native galleon]

yeah and valley also has a lot of sunlight so maybe that also helps. somehow idk

[viral bay]

Damn we might as well be gods

[sharp lichen]

I mean, we do have very clear weaknesses as well

I might compare Skykids to Shedinja from Pokémon

[nimble ingot]

Question for the sake of lore:

Would a camera be able to detect and capture ghost orbs?
We are working with spirits after all.

Furthermore, it would be very interesting for Sky to have a way for skykids to communicate with ancestor spirits. Either with an ability to become a medium (in terms of having conversations), a spirit box or even a different means.
It would be cool for a future season/event to rely on skykids talking to ancestor spirits.

Perhaps the spirits ask skykids questions and the player is quizzed to give the right answers to progress in the game.

Now I want to work on a riddling spirit.

[earnest briar]

It's already pretty clear we can communicate with Spirits though? The Season Guides presumably explain to us the premise behind each Season Quest once we begin it and tell us/show us what to do and where to go. And even if we can't communicate in words, we're still able to communicate with body language and movement. Speech isn't the be-all-end-all for communication with other people.

[spiral vault]

I can't do body language but I can jump
And vomiting shards every seconds

And no granny thank you

[earnest briar]

It's okay uhhh...oh Void of Shattering! Spit out enough shards and you could probably use Morse code!

[nimble ingot]

Fair.
I should have specified dialogue.
The game has basic communication that is not directly shown but implied. For example, instead of saying, "Hello, young one!", the spirits waves.

The train of thought in the message was leaning towards a new way the player can interact with the spirits in the game. And the idea of them asking questions the skykids have to answer came to mind.
Something that goes along the lines in Aurora's song, "do you understand what is happening?", and "who is listening to the siren's singing?"

[nimble ingot]

To clarify why I am looking at lyrics from a collab, even though some (if not all of) the songs were written before the season existed. I believe that there is a reason for these songs to be included.
TGC can adapt the meanings of the songs to the context of Sky. These may not be perfect parallels though, however us players would be able to read between the lines and draw our own conclusions in any case.

The themes of these songs may be connected to the history of the ancestors. The conflict of nature and the progress of man. The balance of life and death hanging by the thread while dangled over the jaws of greed.
These are what I interpret from these songs in conjunction with the Sky universe. The balance of Light and Darkness being disrupted by the greed and rage of the ancestors, while the realms suffer because of the destruction.

[hushed steeple]

Very true. One of them is literally called Through the Eyes of a Child!

“Oh take me home! Take me home where I belong! I can’t take it anymore!”
Likely has to do with travel and or migration!

[nimble ingot]

I think I finally understand why the devs made Sky lore, "open to interpretation."

TGC has been making video games like an artist would in their practice. The have a theme (problem statement) that they do indepth research on. The propose a plan in their art that responds to the problem statement and is based on the research done to support it.
Then they experiment with their medium by creating games in a different way than what the gaming industry would do. And finally, they reflect on the work done and move on to the next project.
With Sky, they are doing a series of works (seasons) that are connected to one another under the theme (The game as a whole). Everyone (or at least most of the things) in the game has been made with care and were thought out.

Like an artist, their interpretation of the theme, as well as the artwork (game) that they made, may be one meaning or message one can take from the experience. While that of the public experiencing the work is another. Both are valid and as TGC put it with that quote, are equal.
And because they are equal, they create a balance.

The meta (knowledge in the game) and the unknown (knowledge of the players). The creator (TGC) and the creation (Skykid avatars).

All of this said, to deny the lore being open ended is to deny the game's core message.
Which (what I believe) is Connectiveness.

[nimble ingot]

That song has pluck at my heart strings so much.
Sky and Aurora knows how to move a person to emotions.

[trim mural]

There's a lot of water during the songs

[hushed steeple]

The only reason AURORA became an artist in the way she is now is because:

1. She was found by some people who wanted to release some of her songs.

And

2. Her mother convinced her to. She told Aurora that her music was like medicine and that she should share it with people.

[hushed steeple]

From now on all headcanons are canon!!!/hj

In all seriousness, this is absolutely perfect!
I think I look up to certain works of art and stories and what not with my own creations, and Sky is definitely one of them.
This speaks to me on so many frogging levels!

[earnest briar]

And her mother was right.

[nimble ingot]

Lol, they would still be headcanons.

Canon = headcanon = fanon
(I know you meant it as a joke. Just clarifying for general context)

[hushed steeple]

I gotta go finish some measuring brb

[raw moon]

I think this might be a thing for lore chat not sure tho 🤔 anybody know what the default masks/"crowns" designs are based upon? Because the forest one is a diamond for example and that's obvious, but prarie' sand isle's for example are not so obvious

[keen shore]

Oh yeah!

Isle = a boat
Prairie = a pot
Forest = a darkstone diamond
Valley = N/A (they just have simple athlete masks)
Wasteland = whale face (used as an armor headpiece for many characters)
Vault = stone tablet
Eden (only visible in friendship constellation images) = star

[hushed steeple]

Here we have four canon spirits that I have measured through the legitimately legal and normal action of infant stacking.

And now I have leaked some personal information of some of the TGC staff members!!!

While also stacking six month old children against their wills!!!

I assure you, all of this is actually legal, so there’s no need for the law to get involved!

[lyric imp]

I have no clue what is up with you, Esther, but i'm all here for it

[hushed steeple]

Incomprehensibility!!!
My specialty!!!

[lyric imp]

I guess every genious has a spark of madness. It's just that sometimes this spark is actually an australian wildfire of 2020

[hushed steeple]

Voc Noc Tormert?
That you?
/j

For clarification, Voc Noc Tormert is not something I’m saying in another language(sorta), it’s a name.
A great name.
One that would send shivers through your organs if you knew who, or more accurately, what it belongs to.

It has a vague meaning, but it generally translates to:

Tormentful Silence

Or

Voiceless Torment

[keen shore]

Esther I can’t remember if I’ve asked you this before, I feel like I have, but I think I’m gonna start collecting people’s thoughts on Sky’s history timeline cause it’s not something I see talked about a lot even though it effects a lot of things. Do you mind sharing yours?

[sharp lichen]

Also, the seasonal quest dialogue is probably communicated through dialogue instead of this strange third-person narration

[desert ridge]

I have some absolutely wild headcanon if you are interested btw

[hushed steeple]

It all starts with an uninhabited planet and a powerful consciousness made up of billions of stars known as The Light.

The Light decides to create life on this planet. And so life is created.
The first life was flung towards this planet as stars and land as creatures and humanoid beings that I will name Luminoids.

Here, we turn our attention to a specific group of Luminoids that I like to call Skylites! However, they likely weren’t called that at this point.
They began as a basic civilization: simple transportation, likely trading and bartering rather than currency, very simple architecture if any.
They lived harmoniously with nature, all was well and swell for a while!

They continue to grow, some stone structures have been built, agriculture has increased(if there was any), etc!

Then something strange happens…
Or, more accurately, it happens again, for the second time…

[hushed steeple]

Now, I forgot to mention something. Before what I’m about to mention, the elders had appeared somehow. The elders, being Luminoid in form, but more powerful and different, we’re put in charge of different areas of this land. That is unfortunately all there is to know about their origins as of now.

Now, resuming from before!

Two Skylites were taking a normal stroll through the lower plains right in front of the transition to the upper prairie.

Something bright catches the attention of one as they look up to the night sky.
A shooting star.
But…
It’s getting brighter
And brighter
AND BRIGHTER!!!!

The stargazer ushers the miner to follow this strange occurrence.

What they find is a bald child, waking up as if they’d fainted.
The event was so jarring they sought guidance from either the elders, the prophets, or maybe even both.

The prophets, having been seeking a leader for their capital, were joyous at the opportunity to meet this mysterious bald child.
But they didn’t know them as that one mysterious and for whatever reason bald child, they knew him as The Prince, a title provided to them from an echo beyond their realm.
The deity of life, light, and rebirth.
The Light.

[earnest briar]

I love how the prophets were focused more on the fact they were bald and not on the fact that they fell from the sky like come on guys some people are just like that for reasons beyond their control, regardless of age.

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, bald king is a very literal term here

[hushed steeple]

I do apologize for the lengthyness of everything, the beginning is just so jam packed with many important and minor details I want to touch on. I promise it will speed up soon!

Back to the timeline!!!
TO THE FUTURE!!!!!

The Prince was put through four difficult trials that all others had failed.(We’re these previous Skylites perhaps students before?)
To their mysterious and foreign assumptions, he had succeeded, and was gifted four powerful lights.
The blue water, the cyan air, the green earth and plant, and the orange fire.
He gifted these to the elders of the regions newly known as Daylight Prairie, Hidden Forest, and two for the three elders of Golden Valley.

From here, light of uncountable numbers was poured down upon this once civilization! But as The Prince was crowned, The King was born and The Kingdom of Sky was brought into existence!!!

From here, the Skylites began recording history through murals, population increased as light became a very helpful tool, strange crystal minerals were discovered that turned out to be reactive to light, new inventions were made, the Industrial Revolution began, Life Was Thrown To The Side, Rcklessness Began, The Kings Teachings Only Grew Further And Further, THE LIFE BEGAN TO DRAIN, THE REALMS WERE SEPARATED, THE VALLEY ELDERS DIED AND WERE REPLACED, HE DIDNT KNOW ANY BETTER, WILD LIFE PRESERVATION BEGAN BUT COULDNT GAIN ENOUGH TRACTION IN TIME, PROTESTS STARTED, HOW COULD HE HAVE KNOWN BETTER HE WAS NEVER TAUGHT ANYTHING RIGHT!!!!! PROTESTERS TURNED TO GROUPS, GROUPS TURNED TO REBELLIONS, REBELLIONS TURNED TO ARMIES!!!!!!! THERE WAS NO FORESIGHT IN HIS HEAD HE CANT BE HELD RESPONSIBLE ALONE YOU HAVE TO SPREAD THE BLAME TO ALL!!!!!!!! WAR WAS SPARKED BETWEEN THE SKYLITES!!!!!!!! THOUSANDS DIED AND SUFFERED!!!!!!!! PRESERVATION WAS THEIR ONLY HOPE FOR THOSE OF THE FUTURE TO REMEMBER THEM!!!!!!! CORRUPTION SPREAD FURTHER AND FURTHER, DESTROYING ALL LIFE IN ITS PATH!!!!!!!!!!!! MORE AND MORE AND MORE!!!!!!!!

[hushed steeple]

HE CANT TAKE IT!!!!!!!!!

IS THIS REALLY THE PRICE FOR IGNORANCE!!!!
He pondered this to himself

The thoughts twirled around and around in his head. Never ending. Never beginning. A cycle of confused pain and anxiety that can’t exist.

He told himself he knew how to fix it.
But belief isn’t always the best solution….

[hushed steeple]

Once upon a time, there was a stargazer, who sat in front of a temple, feeling horribly guilty for what they had done.

There was once a Skylite who had met a cute someone! They waited patiently by a bridge for their first date with them. And to return their umbrella!

In a dreadful and awful accidental desert, people lived in fear, a black caped Skylite sat with another Skylite playing an instrument that looked like a wooden bowl with strings. They felt decently safe there.

Forgotten, an illusionary sanctuary that felt more like a shabby basement dungeon house several lost spirits. All were accounted for. How can one be lost and found at the same time?

On an island far far away, seven Skylites tried to survive somewhere wrecks seem to occur quite frequently.

Deep in a forest, an elderly Skylite patiently awaits the arrival of their family members to have a nice annual meal together.

Seven adolescent Skylites have just found the best spot for a tree house. They are absolutely thrilled to begin working on it!!! They can’t wait to show their mentors when they’re done!!!!

In a tiny theater five Skylites diligently work to get their grand play finished. The director already knows exactly who they’ll invite to see the finished product!

Up in the birds nest a Skylite anxiously paces all about, hoping their sibling will come back safe and sound. They knew they had to let them go with the group, it was the younger siblings biggest dream to explore! Next to seeing their favorite bird in person.

Alone and terrified, they sit among the ruins of a trading hub, waiting to be rescued.

Hundreds of stories like these were all happening at the same time…

[hushed steeple]

The King had gathered the elders together at the castle, surrounding the diamond, which was looking quite terrible.

He thought that what he was about to do was going to work.
Whatever it was, it certainly caused quite the sight for the remaining Skylites.

And then, they couldn’t see it.
They couldn’t see anything.
They couldn’t feel physical things.
They couldn’t move.
They couldn’t think, speak, hear, know, live, understand, comprehend, nothing.
All they could do was feel very faint emotions.
It didn’t last for long. Or did it ever happen? It was like they blinked for a little too long, and when they opened their eyes, everything was….

…..

………..

HONK!!!!!

That was very rough, and not perfect at all!!!
(I forgot to mention the flood!!!)

But I feel it’s still very good!

[lusty marten]

Loved every bit of it so far

[hushed steeple]

Here to let you know I finally finished!!!

I just realized I wrote an entire essay rough draft in about an hour!

If only I could do this when I actually need to!!!!

[lyric imp]

Pretty cool

How the honk the beam can be one of the most confusing elements of the story. Heeelp

[hushed steeple]

That’s just the power of light!

[lyric imp]

I hate the fact that there are 2 roughly diamobd-shaped objects in eden. Could sb explain to me what is the upper one? I thought i had it but now i'm confused. In the map it looks like the beam is starting at that place and getting narrower in the upper side, even though we seem to see it starting at the crystal...? Correct me if i'm wrong

[hushed steeple]

There is the diamond in pnr, and then there’s the tip of the Eden castle which is in orbit, where the map shows the start of the beam. I’m not entirely sure what is causing the beam there, maybe it is coming from the Eden diamond, maybe it’s just what orbit is.
For now, I’m just going to say that’s just how powerful light is.

[lyric imp]

What surprises me is that the map seems to show the beginning of the beam at the castle thingy

[keen shore]

I think the beam and the diamond start between the broken off top and the castle below. In game the beam comes out of the diamond (or goes into it) (either way it’s not present underneath) but idk if that’s just modeling limitations or canon.

[lyric imp]

Tbh if devs wanted the beam to reach from the sky to the mountain (or the other way around, whatever) it'd ve extremely simple to show on the map, and probably kind of pimple to show in game - through essentially making the lines that make up the beam a bit longer

[hushed steeple]

This is true

[hushed steeple]

….

I am so honking concerned, yet amazed by your mental stability

[tame grotto]

okay so not huge lore I’m discussing here, but I’ve always wondered, why is the geyser in sanctuary polluted? well while I was candle running earlier today I noticed that near the geyser, there’s an odd slope in the cliff, like something had crashed into it. anyone can tell that there’s a boat and many golden things (idk what they are, perhaps they contained the pollution stuff) on the beach near the geyser. I was thinking that maybe during some major event in the lore (I’m not a regular here idk what to call it) or something else knocked the boat out of the sky, it went sliding down the cliff and whatever was in those containers (?) caused the pollution

[viral bay]

The gold container thingies probably contained the diamonds, aka the things you light up when you want to open a door, elevators in Vault, etc.

We call its material darkstone, a mineral in Sky able to absorb light and convert into energy, refined and used by ancestors/spirits in the past for technology stuffs, like boats.

The thing that crashed there is probably a boat transporting the diamonds in the gold containers. We see a lot of boats crashed into the ground throughout Sky as well: Prairie Villages, Forest, Wasteland,...

[dusk sail]

i dont know if this counts as lore exactly but i’ll put it here anyway. so each sky realm resembles a stage of life. isle of dawn being birth, prairie childhood, forest teenagehood, valley of triumph adulthood, wasteland midlife, vault elderlyhood, eden death and orbit heaven/rebirth. upon playing, ive noticed which realms have dark plants and which do not. isle of dawn has zero, because its birth. prairie is childhood and yet there are still dark plants, forest is teenage hood and has almost only dark plants and occasionally candles, valley is adulthood and has almost none, wasteland is midlife and has only dark plants, that and krill, polluted water, all these things that can and will hurt you, wnd unlike forest there arent many things that can save you and recharge your light. but vault is elderlyhood and has only candles, zero darkness, while eden is death and has the worst of the worst. i believe the variety between the candles and the dark plants, water amd creatures all resemble the good and bad in life. valley is adulthood, adulthood being ages 20-30, and those ages being said to be the ‘best ages of your life’. no wonder theres only candles and rare darkness, but midlife is described to be ages 40-60, midlife crisis’ and all that, again, no wonder theres only darkness and rare candles. but elderlyhood is slow paced, patient, calming and probably, again, some of the good years of your life, because youve experienced everything youve had to, thats why vault can be so slow. and then eden is death, theres not even darkness, just pure rocks and dark water and krill that are guaranteed to harm you, with the support of light statues helping you out along the way. these examples of light, candles and light totems and creatures of the light resemble the good, and the darkness resemble the bad, but in the end, the darkness (bad) will eventually be turned to light (good) when burnt (overcome)

[inland cliff]

Why does the Prophecy guide Anubis mask has a halo, it's too much for a coincidence

[nimble ingot]

It could be a design or stylistic choice.
I like to think of it being a reference to the moon, or an eclipse.
Similar to the passage guide's season is themed around the moon/lunar eclipse.

I am starting to wonder if Dawn's season theme would continue to revolve around this eclipse idea.

(silly question, can one make similar connections with seasons based in other realms?)

[cinder crest]

"infant stacking" oh my gob

[nova meadow]

Was going through eden today, found the circle of pedestal things from Vault. This kinda supports my theory of the Eden Elder trying to connect the living world to orbit maybe to achieve utopia, but it made a mess instead

[lyric imp]

Yup, we see the same devices in abyss where a mining operation took place, in shipwreck, and in the place in both refineries where in concept art raw darkstone would go in

[lyric imp]

So imo close, but it's probably the unrefined form

[lyric imp]

Isle does have darkness in the cave left of the temple

[lyric imp]

Could you elaborate? How is it connected?

[cinder crest]

It's fully possible Eden Castle just had one of those too as a way for the King to easily meet the Elders if need be.

[dusk sail]

oh yes thank you, but point stands either way

[nova meadow]

Yeah that’s what I mean! And the eden castle has kind of fallen apart and connected to orbit so I assume that was the result of the attempt to connect the living world and the heavens

And having this area at the closest point of the connection to orbit kinda reminds me of the final memory in season of shattering, because you can see all the elders being pushed away by the shard. Maybe this is where they were standing when it happened!

[cinder crest]

The thing is that, was Eden Castle being connected to orbit intentional or not? is there any indication for yes or no there? /gen

[nova meadow]

IMO, yes! That’s the eden elder’s intention for me. Some of their reasoning for connecting orbit and “earth” being:

• the inability for spirits to rebirth like skykids do (this being an entire other discussion on my theories about the relationships between skykids and spirits)
• a solution to the industrial problem (unlimited light, doesn’t have to be harvested from creatures anymore)

[hushed steeple]

Embrace the awfulness of insanity and blessing shall befall you.
The Inconceivable Ones are gazing upon their creations.

[cinder crest]

Was the King the only Sky Kid back then?

The 2nd one... is possible, I guess. I'm not gonna say it's impossible that was the goal, though if anything I'd say that's what the Diamond was for.

[nova meadow]

No- I believe skykids co-existed with spirits, iirc there were skykids in the switch trailer/animated project teaser.
What made the king special is he fulfilled the prophecy trials and went on to become the first king or first skykid species king to rule

[cinder crest]

Huh. I see I see

[nova meadow]

With this theory it’s actually kind of sad. I always picture a skykid becoming close friends with a spirit in one lifetime, but the spirit eventually dies. Meanwhile the skykid just rebirths as they are a form of light creature. They can only visit the spirits every time they rebirth (which for lore, would probably be a lot less often than the eden weekly reset) and only briefly before they are sent back to “earth”. The spirit can’t go with them, it has to stay there. Depressing

[earnest briar]

Uh...Spirits are already dead? It's kinda in the name.

[viral bay]

No imo the kids you see are young ancestors, similar to the spirits in Passage quests. Not the same as skykids.

The main skykid in that trailer MAY be the King himself, when he only just feel from the sky and so discovering the world of Sky.

[hushed steeple]

He couldn’t have fallen if there was a market place there.
Also, ancestors couldn’t fly.

[viral bay]

Just because he fell into a populated place doesn't mean he would crash into stuffs lol
Also, where did you did flying people in the trailer?

I thought it was quite known that our generation of skykids came to Sky MUCH MUCH later after the kingdom has fallen.

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[hushed steeple]

In ushering stargazers memory, there is no market place. And by the fact that we relive their memories, the king’s reign likely only lasted a few decades at most.

And I just realized we were talking about two separate kids.
I was talking about the sky kids we play as lol.

[viral bay]

Spirit's memories usually only depicts a few ancestors at most and rarely infrastructures surrounding the area.

And what I'm saying is that the King is THE first skykid, perhaps with different body structures and much stronger than we are, sent by the Light to save the kingdom already falling.

[nimble ingot]

It may be worth noting that memories tend to become fuzzy or overlook details. In terms of the ancestor's memories in the game, it may be possible some details could have been left out.
For example, the sleepy merchant in Enchantment would have tents appear and disappear. This is most notable when you have not completed the quests to reveal the tents. Only the ones the spirit is either setting up or is near would be visible and the rest would disappear.
It may be possible it the memory is limited in range, however it may also depend on the ancestor such as the injured soldier from Remembrance.
Their memory shows the soldiers throwing spears, while in another memory from the seed of Hope spirit in Aurora does not show the enemy soldiers.
Perhaps one ancestor remembers the soldiers in the fight, while another may have been more occupied with other things to recall what they looked like.

[viral bay]

Yeah exactly

[lyric imp]

Maybe infrastructure is rarely shown because most memories are from spirits very late in the timeline, such that the things were almost the same

[lyric imp]

What suggests that the king was stronger than us?

[viral bay]

I disagree. In the trailer you see an ancestor almost identical to stargazer (edit: i meant voyager), and a young one that strongly resembles a skykid. Moreover, the Prophecy murals depicted a spirit with "horns" on their head, resembling their mask, looking as the skykid/King sails away on a boat.

[viral bay]

I believe in the theory that winged lights are remnants and pieces of the King scattered throughout Sky after being blasted apart by the Eden diamond

[nimble ingot]

Wouldn't that be the figure of the Dawn elder with their boat mask looking like horns?

[viral bay]

Elders are depicted with different figures, as seen in the mural

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

Edit: i may have mixed voyager and stargazer names lol
But my point stays the same.

[nimble ingot]

ah, I see.
It may be Rejecting Voyager since they have a boat mask.

[viral bay]

I strongly recommend you to read the timeline made by Salem (bless their minds and analogies) and the discussion after it

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, I think the king was probably weaker than us in a way, since our main strength is working together, but they had nobody to work with

[knotty spoke]

!shardwhen

[cinder crest]

Honestly how much light the king had really doesn't matter for the things he did.
The problem he was sent down to fix requires much more than just blasting it. It doesn't change the fact he was alone with no other sky kids to help him. And from the looks of it, not much help from the ancients either.

Whether he's the source of WL or not is another matter entirely.

[fluid mesa]

Does anybody have any theories and lore about Cave of Prophecies?

[hushed steeple]

Yes

[lusty merlin]

Mhm yeah! The yellow figure with the small halo(?) we see in all the murals could be the same one we see in the eden mural yet could also be related the figure we see in the last mural in the vault cutscene aswell. They seemed to have found the cave and completed the trails. And doing so might have had them be acknowledged by the elders, who also are shown to receive color lights. I like to think they became an important later because of that

[fluid mesa]

I’m trying to configure how it would get there / why it’s still functional from a “Sky is civilized and populated” standpoint

[hushed steeple]

The trials are prophecies themselves.

6’know what? Honk it, imma mesure eden mountain

[lusty merlin]

Ohh, Like why it would be there you mean?

[fluid mesa]

Yeah- what do skykids gain from it being there

[hushed steeple]

About 1,045 feet tall maybe.

[lusty merlin]

To tell a story of the past, give a snippet of lore and all i guess.
Prophecy caves could be something more for the ancestors than made for us and were just seeing what left behind

[hushed steeple]

Anyways ima mesure it in stacked 6 months old children against their will in a totally ilegal dangerous and hazardous way

…i went to faaar

[hushed steeple]

You mean legal?

[hushed steeple]

Yea… shure..

[keen shore]

Civilization can take many different forms. People in Isle lived in decorated natural caves — you can see this with Pointing Candlemaker’s memory. People in Prairie did the same, but carved their own caves out of the rock, people in Forest lived in hollowed out trees, people in Valley made their own increasingly complex structures, and so on.

It’s mostly cultural differences between the realms in reference to the fact that they’re each themed after a different stage of civilization (although there’s no evidence to suggest they’re each ‘trapped/stuck’ in their respective stages; it’s largely a visual theme)

[lusty merlin]

Yaya that too!

Think passage also shows how it still upkeeps old traditions with the passage quests and all. I believe it’s even confirmed the spirits are doing an old tradition which I found really cool

[fluid mesa]

I do play off of that in my world building! I think the way the dwellings in each realm are styled differently is very cool :) esp cuz you see pavilions in Forest, but they don’t ever seem lived in

[earnest briar]

Ooh, can I add something about the Forest Bridge area?

[fluid mesa]

I made up a whole secondary magic system from the quests in Passage XD it’s part of why Isle becomes so populated in my AU

[lusty merlin]

Oo I love that!

[lyric imp]

Do you mean this one? If so, i wouldn't say almost identical. Most spirits, and all base isle spirits, have pretty much the same clothes, meaning it was common to dress like that. The distinct features of voyager are the pot on the back, and imo more importantly - hair. The trailer ancestor has neither of those. They do have, on the other hand, a protrusion on their mask that no isle spirit has. Doesn't look like thet're the same spirit (unless you're thinking of some different ancestor in the trailer that i haven't consideted)

[lusty merlin]

Think you looked at the wrong teaser

[keen shore]

This is also a big one! Tradition and passing down those traditions are major themes of Isle; it’s why both Isle seasons involve us participating in traditions from the past, like the Trials and Passages! The cave dwellings in Isle as well as the murals in them show visible centuries of history and serve to visibly reinforce those themes. It’s part of why I love Isle so much; in the cave of prophecies especially you walk in and feel almost dwarfed by the past :3

[earnest briar]

Okay, so there’s just those 4 parts to the bridge where you summon the jellyfish, right? Except there isn’t. If you pay attention, those pavilion things everywhere around the bridge area are also bridge pieces. I have a theory that there was a giant string of those bridges connected across the area that were used to safely transport things during times when the ground was too flooded to travel. But they all fell into disrepair, and eventually only the main string to the Temple remained in good enough condition to still be used.

[lyric imp]

Okay, and why do you think the king could have been blasted into more than one WL, aka why is he not a normal skykid? It's just that this theory so far looks like circular reasoning, but i may be missing something and i wanna know what could that be

[fluid mesa]

Ohoho very cool observation! I think I’ll build that into my lore * steals *

[lusty merlin]

YEAHH I LOVE THAT!! Love that isle is focused on conserving the past and remembering it all

[earnest briar]

I think I get where they’re coming from. They’re interpreting the Shattering as not just referring to the diamond, but also to the King. Just like the diamond shattered and began producing shards, so too did the King shatter and their fragments became Winged Light.

[lyric imp]

I like to think that before colour lights the elders were just some dudes who were the wisest, most charismatic and best personified realms values and thus became leaders, and only later on became godlike

[keen shore]

After all these years we still don’t know where elders came from or how long they’ve been around and I want to know so badly. There’s an emote from another server I want to put here that depicts crab whisperer destroying a stick and it illustrates how I feel on the topic

[lyric imp]

Parallax time baby

[lyric imp]

Yoo i'm not sure i'be ever seen this one

[lusty merlin]

Just a thought, the more you go into the realms there’s a dip of them really noting history/not really it. Like in Prarie I think the few murals we see don’t focus on the past and are more in the present, valley only has like two(?) murals and it’s related to the aurora teaser and the ones in the coliseum that show we what we already know from pervious aurora quests. Which I think is where the dip happens somwhat, like we see a lot of the past in the concert ourselves, but it’s vaguely recorded in murals. Wasteland murals in ark and abyss tell a story on how those areas ending up the way they are today. When vault is a major spike on recording and conserving anything

Idk where I’m going with this at all but I find it neat

[lusty merlin]

YaYa it’s in the animation teaser

[lusty merlin]

I can see that but what about and , they’re arnet shown to be given color lights yet we still see them in the murals I believe

[fluid mesa]

Oh- and if anyone is interested in reading the AU lore I have for Sky, you can dm me. It’s still in progress but I think it’s cool? Most of it uses things I notice in Sky to build a world I can write a story in

[lusty merlin]

Very pixilated but yeah there they are! even has their staff

[lyric imp]

Ok i've reviewed it and the scene with voyager might be disconnected from the surrounding scenes, since the child'sclothes are different. The latter scene with the coach looks like the one from the other animation project teaser. There, the child has a different masks and hair than in the second scene of this video and i can't see the details of the child in the 3rd scene of this vid. They simply may be 2 different kids, so voyager and stargazer living at the time with no markets in isle can't yet be excluded

[lusty merlin]

We can only wait for the Animation to drop to really confirm anything, I’m just hoping we see or any mention of them cuz that would help confirm to me elders live much much longer than spirits and it’s not a role that’s passed down

I like to belive they already do but confirmation would be good atleast

[lyric imp]

Not entirely sure, but mind you, there ended up being 6 colour lights, not just 4, but 2 were seemingly created later. I don't really know what happened along the way, but i have a suspicion they turned divine later, but yeah, not sure how

[lusty merlin]

Fair, and could’ve gotten the color lights another way, cuz I do see them having red and purple with the figure in the murals giving the others the elemental lights. I’ve just always assumed the elders were made to be semi immortal

[lyric imp]

Also possible. Tbh current data is outright insufficient

[keen shore]

TGC will give us lore on the weather patterns in Valley before they’ll tell us how the elders got there 😔😔😔😔😔😔😔

[lusty merlin]

Yaya, I just through that like kinda like how there is an elder bird: elder jellyfish (one with the crown) elder manta like the big multi wing one we see in santuary ect. And then we also have the elders which made me think in the sky world that there are elders of a species who are meant to guide and protect their kind

[keen shore]

They are called the ‘ancestor elders’ in game, which would definitely follow that theme

[lusty merlin]

Yaya!!

[lyric imp]

So elder sky kid would be.........

[lusty merlin]

Also since there’s no signs or pointers to other elders even existing before the main 7, only thing I can think of are the twins mural in the vault cutscene, let looking back, they appear to be concept designs of the twins which is weird but still

[earnest briar]

Fluffy hair Twins my beloved

[lusty merlin]

To be honest before I found that design, I thought they were loc’s and imagined they got some sort of godtier straighteners somehow

[earnest briar]

Also I love how they look so much. There's something about their legs that seems not quite humanoid, almost more like an animal's legs. Really sells the 'these are mystical beings who are neither Sky Kid, nor Ancestor, nor Creature' idea.

[lusty merlin]

Oo I get that idea, it more of just botherd me but I chalked that up to the murals stylistic choice not being used to drawing actual legs

[sharp lichen]

I still think Isle recieved red light and Vault purple light, it just wasn't shown. Given Isle's relation to murals and Vault's entire thing

[lusty merlin]

Yaya i also agree

[lyric imp]

It somehow seems to make sense

[earnest briar]

I sometimes imagine them as like...the embodiment of the connections sports, play, and friendly competition can create. Everybody can have fun no matter their physical capabilities, which is why they have prosthetic limbs. It's to say "People with physical disabilities can play and have fun too!" to everyone who might otherwise reject the idea if it came from your average Ancestor. But if the honored Elders of the Valley say it, then people will be more inclined to believe and accept it.

[viral bay]

With the quest hints, I remember the red light is interpreted as symbolizing the darkness, since it could be caught in shipwreck and forgotten ark cave, and purple light as... magic?

I can understand if Vault received purple light but Isle receiving red light just doesnt't fit. The realm isn't filled with darkness at all, not even a fraction of Wasteland.

But maybe i'm taking this too literally. It could be symbolizing darkness as the opposite of life. It could be what caused the desertification of Isle.

But then again, if those 2 lights are created artificially by ancestors, why did they create DEATH? Why would that be useful at all? To conquer death itself?

[earnest briar]

I remember reading a quote somewhere that went something like 'the night is always darkest before the dawn' so maybe it could be something like that? Since Isle of Dawn is well, dawn. It could technically represent the night sky, and thus the stars, which would be us. We descend from the night sky into the dawn to bring change and hope.

[sharp lichen]

I mean, think of how good a weapon of war is red light

[viral bay]

Oh shoot you're right

[lusty merlin]

YAYAY I LOVE THAT

I love that they have prostetic arms when they're considerd the most sporty out of any of the elders

[keen shore]

Wasteland also isn’t filled with fire; a realm doesn’t have to be filled with an element to be associated with it. Enchantment also suggests that red light is more complex than just being ‘the darkness light’; it has the ability to make murals that were previously hidden visible, and so is associated with revealing history that would have otherwise been hidden by darkness — which fits beautifully with Isle. Isle is also naturally sunny enough that without extreme elemental intervention it would be very hard for much darkness to sprout there at all.

Isle being associated with the darkness light is also fascinating in terms of its implications with how Isle might have valued balance with both the darkness and the light; after all, one of the Trials is themed after balance, suggesting it’s a concept important to Isle culture.

(And also, standard process of elimination)

You can switch it up and say Eden is associated with red light and Isle with pure/golden light, as we don’t have irrefutable confirmation as to which might be true, merely speculation — but I don’t believe this. After all, when associating the other realms with colored lights, we use events that took place before the disaster as evidence: the elders using their colored lights there. This is why we know Wasteland and orange light are connected at all. So, in order to figure out if Eden and Isle are connected to colored lights, we would have to study them before the disaster.

Eden before everything exploded was very likely not nearly as filled with darkness. There was also a beam of light directly in the middle of it, which to date is still the strongest light source in all the realms. Personally, it’s really hard to imagine it associated with anything but pure light, and that leaves red and its themes for Isle.

I also have a theory that Isle’s denizens were largely nocturnal, which would fit them having ‘the darkness light’ even more, although this might not be true.

[earnest briar]

I view Red Light as darkness yes, but also truth. Think about it. The Dark Dragons/Krills have Dark in their names. As in Darkness, the thing that's gotten such a foothold in the world because of exploitation of natural resources and the consequences that brought. It's also known that they became corrupted. As such, the Krills would be something brought about by the actions of the Ancestors. They are not purely evil creatures who seek only to hurt, they're a consequence. A punishment to tell the Ancestors "This is what your actions are causing. This is by your own doing. Your exploitation of the world has consequences, and we are only a part of what is to come if you do not stop."

Darkness is the painful truth that the Ancestors did not accept until it was much too late. It's destructive, yes. But some creatures have learned to survive that truth, even accept it. See the Enchantment Spirits, who learned how to harness that power, the power of truth, to reveal secrets of the past to us so that we may know what came before us, and don't repeat the Ancestors' mistakes. Sometimes destruction is necessary so that things can change for the better, like cutting a diseased limb off of a tree, or tearing down a broken building to build something new.

[lusty merlin]

I remember that yeah!!!! alot of memories in isle just work better at night

[inland cliff]

They're more of a demigod imo since they're more associated with the ancestors rather than the King/Eden Elder/Prince who has never left Eden and has the littlest murals and information about

They've been blessed with godhood, not given

[lusty merlin]

i feel even if they are more akin to demigods i think they we're more seen as regular leaders than sombody who was worshipped or seen as an untouchable god you know? Like not saying they wern't respected but i also dont see the ground they walk on being worshipped either.

[viral bay]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message
Now that i'm looking back at the enthantment quests, the hint for Purple light was "This spirit prays for Purple Light. It is said they hold ancient secrets."

Purple light = secret >< Red light = truth?

[viral bay]

Yeah like how priests are responsible for connecting humans to God, i think Elders are the bridge connecting the Light/megabird and the ancestors.

[lusty merlin]

yaya! it's even confirmed elders helped shepherded spirits back to the stars so that connection is there, would also explain why the basegame spirits head to the temple and ascend after we play the cutscene

[keen shore]

This is a mix of headcanons and theory, but when purple light is used, it seems to manifest tangible objects/constructs out of light. Also, if you compare the architecture from most areas of Valley to the massive structures of Vault and the Eden temple, there’s a sharp jump in size and complexity, right around the biggest light source we know of. At least parts of both structures seem like they were built later in the timeline, and they’re destroyed in very strange ways… wonder if they were manifested out of purple light?

— Anyways, if this is true, purple light quite literally creates things. I wonder if its associated trait would be ‘creativity’? That means red light’s trait might be something like tradition or permanence, which would fit Isle’s themes also.

[lusty merlin]

yaya!! alot of isles themes are based more of oldet traditions, even in the switch teaser and aurora concert it show's isle in the past

[pastel brook]

just reach out for The Light

[keen shore]

secret vs truth is also a really neat idea, I just wonder, would vault purposefully keep its knowledge secret or try to spread it? Although that definitely depends on interpretation… either way, it would be secret to us at the time enchantment came out because we didn’t know how memory lanterns worked yet, and most of the information is stored in them

[viral bay]

I think the opposition Isle/Vault could be expanded more on the symbolic meanings of life as well.

Vault is wisdom, growth, sophistication while Isle would be returning to the roots, raw and brute. This could also be an opposition of guilty/innocence too, like how the ancestors or Elders ventured to far from the Light, becoming disconnected and forgot about their roots, what they were born from, which is the Light.

This definitely fits with the tradition theme of Isle too!

[inland cliff]

I also like to mention something: isle and vault is the only 2 map out of the 7 (including eden) that doesn't has an outfit changing shrine

and therefore has the lowest amount of player socialize there

[viral bay]

I also think of another thing for purple light, it's its permanence, its ability to freeze everything in time.

Think about it: Vault, starting from the 2nd floor, if you look closely in the background, the walls start to broken up, but nothing is moving, except the elevator.

Remembrance area is clear that the whole thing is frozen in time: the cubes, the pieces broken off, the memories forever there, unchanging.

The little prince: Each spirit is trapped inside their vice, with chains permanently on them, each unable to leave their area. There are almost no living creatures there, no life teaming to blossom (like sanctuary for example).

Everywhere in vault there's this common theme of permanence, constance, stability perhaps.

[keen shore]

Isle and Vault have a lot of neat parallels. Another one is that at the end of Dawn’s () cutscene, when the beam goes up into the sky, constellations for all the realms (besides Eden) appear and you get a message about moving forward to save the other elders. & at the top of Vault there’s a statue of all the elders (again besides Eden ) and Night ( ) summons all the others during their cutscene.

this ⬆️ implies that both elders are very connected to the other elders/the rest of the realms. It might be a reference to how they’re the beginning and end of your journey respectively, with you looking forward to where you need to go during Isle and looking back on where you’ve traveled in Vault.

(Eden is the end of your journey in actuality but they always forget Eden exists RIP)

[viral bay]

Furthermore, after seeing the Vault cutscene, we get teleported to the area of Vault before entering the hallway to Eden.

This final floor strangely has a floor, while all the other floors don't have floors at all, only islands and a layer of levitating stars preventing us from falling down.

The broken diamond that used to pull the elevator up is broken from crashing on the platform itself.

With Vault supposed to be this dreamlike space, it's almost as if the top of Vault got destroyed by Eden, starting from the 2nd floor, and as we go up, we go deeper into the layers of the dream, we sleep deeper (like the movie inception👀). But this final floor after the cutscene is like us snapping back into reality, we get grounded back to the world, with a storm raging on us and a Vault almost in ruin.

(Yes i believe in the theory that the upper half of vault is not real)

[lusty merlin]

I also believe that, considering that the before and after cutscene area I’d vastly differnt. Plus since we see purple light manifest things out of NOTHING it would explain who alot of vault looks disjointed or that some rooms look much bigger than they appear, think of the rememberance area as it looks like the room is floating in a space of nothingness

[uncut pond]

I believe that all of the floors and rooms still exist but not in the way we see them, like, in "reality" they weren't completely destroyed but they're all ruined like that last floor we see before storm

[lusty merlin]

yaya that's what i also think, like severely warped as purple light was left to fester

[nova meadow]

I’m saying before they died, cause you have to live first to be dead.

And to other people replying I get you have your own theories and stuff but please respect mine instead of completely deconstructing it, it’s not nice

[dreamy saddle]

Doesn’t the elder cutscene for isle show red light magic around the elder’s staff?

[earnest briar]

I thought it was a cool idea! I like to combine gameplay and lore elements when it comes to Spirits. A sky kid who's befriended say, a Seasonal Spirit may not be able to see them very much compared to regular Spirits, but Traveling Spirit weeks are always a joy when their friend returns.

[lusty merlin]

i think it looks more to an orange, looks to be the same affect as the fire trail creatures and seen in some upgrated emotes

actually rewatching it it does seem to be more pink in some scenes too which is really cool

[dreamy saddle]

It reminds me of the guys in the fire trial
~~ Oh wait that’s what u said lol~~

[dreamy saddle]

Oooh i have an OC who was a spirit who died, ended up being taken to Eden, sorta metaphorically died again there, and got rebirthed as a sky kid!! It’s sad tho cause she died when Eden went kaboom and lost her father, who would be trapped there as a spirit forever now

[lyric imp]

Red light is seen revealing murals. I interpret the darkness in the game partially as the element of mystery and the unknown. Adds up with Salem's interpretation of isle and me seeing it as essentially mirror reflection of vault in many ways

[lyric imp]

Turns out it can spawn krills or something lmao

[lyric imp]

The isle-vault symmetry making ever more sense. Purple may be existing wisdom, while red may be what's still shrouded in mystery

[lyric imp]

This is like the third time or so when we had similar ideas but you said it first

[lyric imp]

And the only ones where shards don't fall (if we discount desert...)

[lyric imp]

Idk if most of vault is a dream, but it's def non-euclidean. You can see from eden 1 the thickness of vault tower and it's narrower than most floors, and we know the width ks constant from isle temple mural. But if the upper floors are a dream, wgat would be in the real floors? That's why i think they are real, but enchanted in a unique way. You know how cyan light can probably create winds and cause stuff to levitate? I suspect purple light might do the same thing with non-euclidean, magical, and dreamy spaces

[remote plinth]

Nice lore , anyways there a disrupt that the valley has a stage. The realm itself are wandering line of the embodiment of a young adult and having the valley twins as that age and keeper are literally sensible . My take is that the valley twins are once in the wasteland war at a decent timeline. so in conclusion , their hinted to be a warrior too . One of the aspect of valley of triumph is winter season. Maybe my symbolism. Are odd but the snow can be eaten so it's mineral fluid of heavy essential snow effect make the twins the elder for valley and in serious sense , snow represente modesty and trend of the celebration of the new year . So twins at snow valley make a reason why they both would love vacation maybe

[viral bay]

To add on to the contrast Vault/Isle = secret/truth, the name Vault itself is a place where you store things (perhaps even with the connotation that you don't take those things out), meanwhile Isle is an open and vaste space, with no secrets to hide.

[earnest briar]

Been thinking about this and now my brain has decided all the Elders represent various forms of/are embodiments of connections made with other people. Dawn is our parents, grandparents, teachers, etc sharing knowledge with us, Day encourages keeping your curiousity and wonder of the world, Rain is the passion for creating something to share with others, be it art, stories, food, and so on, Sunset is play and having fun, Dusk is helping others in need and then having that kindness returned, and Night is like the culmination of all of those, showing you how you've grown and learned, and all the ways you've formed connections and bonds with other people.

[lyric imp]

Or night is disconnection and longing, with orbit then symbolisung being reunited

[latent tendon]

Omg hey yall

It's been a while since I came here does anyone have the lore pdf for newbies

[hushed steeple]

Would love to hear theories pertaining to the lore of the Wind Paths or Valley

[sharp lichen]

I guess this could be it: https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

[sharp lichen]

A theory of mine is that the Wind Paths were created quite late in the kingdom’s history, as the people there wanted to move away from industrial practices and wanted to make a place where light creatures could roam free

[hushed steeple]

I like this theory! Plausible as well; the Wind Paths do appear more harmonious with the light creatures compared to realms such as Forest and Wasteland. (Prairie’s case appears to be the same as the Wind Paths, then…)

Thank you for sharing

[latent tendon]

Yall is the wasteland was the 'city' still around?

Also there one thing that is very random that I just wanna point out is in the base game. There's two types of darkness, the red dangerous one and the blue somewhat calm one

[latent tendon]

Like water and the plants are the blue darkness that I'm preety sure is necessary for the system. And then there's red which probably spread from the eye of eden. And like after the season of shattering we get to see corrupted plants. Also the crystals that form on the skykids r blue too

[lusty merlin]

Based on hints i think valley were the ones fighting wasteland/were the ones who made the cyclone that lead's into it. Like in the prophecy mural the twins are shown to receive cyan light, which is the wind light. And Valley is so close to wasteland too. Plus the cyclone always being there and never changes which would be an unnatural occurrence. I definitely think that's alot of pointers to the twins putting the cyclone there. And was given the orange light (fire) so it definitely wasn't them or any of the other elder's either.

for why i think that is, it gets more into blindly throwing ideas, but i like to think it was over a material called darkstone (think of the diamonds we light up to open doors, we see on boats, power things ect, skys version of electricity basically) Valley is shown to use it for basically everything, even for thigs that would be perfectly fine without them but are used by darkstone to automate things, while wasteland is shown to be a producer of it. Like to think the war started because making darkstone caused pollution in wasteland, yet that's following the trope of a factory = big pollution. But valley needs darkstone to function and grow, it's like taking away cars to a city built around car's, its to integrated to take away. SO the fighting starts

again the 2nd half is just throwing an idea out there, but its one that makes the most sense to me, the one about the cyclone i 100% believe is the case but that could be my bias

[hushed steeple]

Ah yes, one of the first things I took note of in Valley was their extensive use of darkstone. It could very well be true that the fighting was due to conflicting interests regarding darkstone’s production. However, noting Wasteland’s present state, it seems that their (Wasteland’s) campaign was unsuccessful… From the perspective of a third-person viewer, the situation is just unfortunate for both sides. It strikes me once again that Sky is a symbol of societal conflict, and I believe the skykids’ journey from Isle all the way to Eden supports that. Perhaps this is why Sky focuses on friendships, in order to remind us to cooperate and support one another to avoid situations like the above.

Thank you very much for sharing your theory!

[earnest briar]

yo tac did you see my message about the Elders earlier? The one about the different kinds of connections with others they embody/represent. I think it's kinda cool.

[nimble ingot]

Personally, I see that the darkstone campaign succeeded. Too well.
The Darkstone pollution continued untill there was little to no hope of teh area recovering from the amount of darkness.

[lusty merlin]

YW! and ya i totally agree! And with wasteland too, like nobody really wins in war, there's only the side who suffers less, one life is one to many lost

[lusty merlin]

maybe? cant remmeber though

[hushed steeple]

My apologies for not being specific! I was alluding to Wasteland’s own campaign, not Valley’s

[earnest briar]

War is stupid and I don't understand why goverments and militaries still glorify it and 'fighting for your country cause you're a true patriot'. Uh, no. If killing people in another country for the sake of some dead matter juice is considered being patriotic, I would rather be called a traitor than be a murderer.

[lusty merlin]

ya i agree its just- stupid to resort to violence if you cant get your way

[nimble ingot]

ah, I see.

You don't need to apologise.
I am sorry for misreading.

0.0

[earnest briar]

Every country says war is bad until they're the ones starting it, and then they call it all sorts of fancy things to get around the fact they're invading and bullying other countries to get their way. It's hypocrisy, plain and simple.

[nimble ingot]

(Did the old message get nuked becuase of a word?)

[earnest briar]

@lusty merlin it was this one.

[native galleon]

100% agree i lvoe this

[lusty merlin]

ty!

Yeah its just really stupid for the war aspect, dont think we can get to much into it here but it's something that'll repeat for years to come sadly

oo yeah that's a really cool analysis for the elders

[native galleon]

i mean i love this theory, it makes so much sense and has so much potential for a compelling story, not like the war itself obviously

[hushed steeple]

Indeed, sky lore is just so interesting

[native galleon]

YEAH lol moth me was watching the concert play out like what were they even fighting about, whats with the nets and the not one but two mining accidents, why is wasteland like that, what is happening here
Then i go in the server, see people mention the word “darkstone” a lot and read back and it all comes together

[pastel brook]

A "moth" is a new player. They have brown wings, they flap around uncontrollably, and they are drawn to flame!

[cinder crest]

Yeaaah
And when you re-watch parts of the concert, knowing what's going on - especially all of Warrior and the parts showing the battle in wasteland, it really hits all the harder for it.

Especially warrior. It's heartbreaking knowing what all those mantas were being captured for.

[native galleon]

Warrior makes me cry now ngl

The other day it came on shuffle while I was at the grocery store and I had to skip it to stop myself from having a full emotional breakdown

It’s the song i knew the least well before and now its just. What i associate it with

[violet wyvern]

I think i saw a shape thats also in genshin that was tooken from a religeus thibg that has a meaning

[hushed steeple]

I had to sit down and process for a moment after seeing the cages, horrible, just horrible…

[limpid crest]

guys im a moth but not a new one.

[lusty merlin]

yeah and its ironic that in warriors quest pre concert that valley had a big manta racing scene, yet they capture them for light!

[earnest briar]

I love how sometimes I'll make silly theories/headcanons like 'Granny is the reason shards don't fall directly outside of her tree in Sunny Forest because she intimidated the Diamond into moving them farther away' and then I'll make stuff like 'The Valley Elders blame themselves for the war happening because they didn't do enough to find a solution' or 'Red Light is the light of truth and it's connection to darkness is because Darkness not purely evil, but the consequences of the Ancestors' exploitation of the world'.

[native galleon]

fr the difference between the quest and the concert is. mindblowing

duality

[lusty merlin]

little confused on what you're reffering to exactly, if theres a symbol in another game it might just be a coincidence, alot of games use the same symbol somtimes

[cinder crest]

Same, honestly. Like gosh I can't hear the song without thinking of how those poor mantas must've gone through after the song...

And then as tac said. That they used to care for those creatures too makes it all the worse.

[earnest briar]

YO Chipbeam you've just given me an Idea™️

[nimble ingot]

Aurora and Flight may be hinting at mantas being caught and tamed to become mounts.
They could pull boats like a horse to a cart. Or help hold/ carry objects in the air.

[native galleon]

yeah, the lucky ones

[lusty merlin]

beaned

wonder if its like, they had mantas that were made to race, and then you had wild mantas. Think of horse stables would have horses and wild horses

[cinder crest]

I did?

And honestly... it all just shows just how divorced the ancients had become from the light and the natural world around them.

[earnest briar]

Imagine Warrior of Love finding out about the reason all those Mantas are being captured and deciding to form a secret group to help said Mantas escape to safety so they don't get juiced

[native galleon]

the caring for them and the capturing were happening all at the same time, that’s the point

[cinder crest]

I can't imagine how the Wasteland Elder must've felt. The shield they carry implies they supported the rebels... and look at what happened to their realm.

[lusty merlin]

they stood with their people, and fought to the very end

[hushed steeple]

In a way, it reminds me of Wall-E - us skykids might’ve been sent to clean up after our forebearers. I believe there was some theory shared not long ago, discussing how skykids might be robots or something similar.

[earnest briar]

Where's my hug option in Orbit when you call down an Elder, TGC? I want to give all the Elders hugs, TGC.

[cinder crest]

Yeah, they did. It's tragic it wasn't enough, but they tried. I can't help but respect them for that.

[nimble ingot]

fun fact about wasteland elder.
Their constellation (as wellas murals) differ from their in person shield.

I think this a hint at the elder once holding a diamond shield before they changed sides adn took up a round shield.

[nimble ingot]

same.
That would be amazing.
Perhaps mention it in #wishlist-and-ideas-archived ?

[native galleon]

Sadly I don’t think it was a secret that people would be horrified to find out about, I think it was normalized. Some people would have been against it of course, like the flight crew and very possibly warrior as well, but the creatures were being captured out in the open and there are factories everywhere including one of the literal elder temples, which makes me think it was not a secret but a practice that was normalized and justified because the good was perceived to outweigh the bad

[lusty merlin]

i like to believe they are real, they do their own emotions on certain quests without player input and feel pain when in eden

[hushed steeple]

I agree, that’s very true! Just thought it was an interesting take.

[cinder crest]

I agree with that first part. The second part I agree with Tac.

[lusty merlin]

yaya i get that

[native galleon]

wall-e gave me an anxiety attack as a kid and now i enjoy sky angst,, that checks out

[cinder crest]

I'll say there's a difference between knowing it happens and seeing it in person though. It's probably a big part of why the Wasteland Elder switched sides, both because of what it did to their realm but also because they got to see the presumably gruesome process in detail day in, day out.

It honestly makes me wonder where the Forest Elder stood on the entire matter of the civil war. Though the forest was more focused on manufacturing darkstone than producing the light needed to power it.

Still though... yeah. It was definitely a known thing to the populace, they were far too brazen for it to be otherwise. And that still meant that the populace saw countless Mantas be captured and carted off and presumably felt nothing...

[earnest briar]

We're too smol to hug Dusk so we hug their leg instead I would actually cry if hugs played out like that with them.

[nimble ingot]

They pick up smol skykid and they hug their fingers

[heady lake]

whats a dusk?

[native galleon]

i would RUN to finish wasteland if that became a thing

[lusty merlin]

i like to think wasteland elder more of tolerated it than support darkstone, they knew the process, they didnt like the process, but knew this was the next step in cavillation. Even then i think everyone wouldnt be aware on how drastic the consequences would be

[nimble ingot]

Dusk = wasteland elder (Also called Tsadi as a non-canon fan name)

Dusk is an old name for the realm. Also references the time of day the realm represents.

[lusty merlin]

name the fandom uses for wasteland elder

[earnest briar]

'This is my friend Dusk, they're kinda old and get tired easily but I still love them lots'

[cinder crest]

I agree, if they knew it would cause the literal apocalypse they probably wouldn't have started using it in the unsustainable way they did.

And if the wasteland elder had to have at least tolerated it for a while even if they didn't like it. I imagine the civil war is probably the straw that broke the camel's back so to speak. Until then I could see them (trying to) self-justify it as a necessary evil.

[native galleon]

i think forest elder would have been caught in the middle bc they share interests with both sides, like on the one hand they clearly see what darkstone mining and refinement is doing to their realm and want to stop it, but on the other hand this is their life’s work to the point that they constructed their temple around it, and has benefits for the entire population.

[sharp lichen]

I honestly think that by the time of the Wasteland war, Forest had become mostly irrelevant to the economy of Sky. Their goal of processing and making darkstone was overshadowed

It reminds me of places such as Japan in real life, which were important manufacturing hubs for a while until they weren’t

[lusty merlin]

other elder names the fandom and sometimes dev's use when referring to them

[cinder crest]

Given that they also use a hammer it'd also show that they're involved with the creation or use of darkstone in a way that the dusk elder isn't, which could contribute to them being on the fence. As you said it's their life's work.

[heady lake]

is there any doc with confirmed sky lore/info?

[native galleon]

Yeah like for them it’s personal

[native galleon]

I actually have a slightly evil idea abt this that i want to write heheheh

[lusty merlin]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit here

[cinder crest]

Oh? do go on, if you're willing

[heady lake]

thanks

[hushed steeple]

Sorry if this sounds rather obvious - the light we use to activate the shrines in Forest, and the same one we use to activate the lifts in Village of Dreams… Would both be by way of darkstone?

[cinder crest]

Yes. Anything you use light to activate is darkstone, this holds true of the entire game.

[lusty merlin]

yaya aslong as a diamond shape is lit that would be darkstone tech

[hushed steeple]

Gotcha, just confirming. Thank you.

[vestal pine]

So i just went to orbit and i have completed isle, prairie, forest, and vault constellations, when i summon the elders i notice the place where the light of their gift spews out is from objects that are associated with them. Like the isle elder had their staff glowing, the prairie elder’s pot glows, but the forest and cault elder have the gift in their hands, and i was thinking maybe the location of this light/gift highlights the most important parts of the elder’s duties. i.e, the isle staff shows that the elder’s guidance is the most important thing about them. Sadly i dont have many photos and idk how this looks on valley and wasteland elders in orbit.

[nimble ingot]

They are and no worries if something is obvious or not.
The idea of lore is sharing and learning, it is ok to ask questions.
We have users here who are new and experienced with the lore of Sky.

[cinder crest]

It's why you see very few of such doors in the isle ~ with it representing tradition and all that, the ways of fire worship from before.

[hushed steeple]

Ah, makes sense.

[cinder crest]

Is there any darkstone in the isle elder's temple? actually iirc there might be
Still there's less of it than other realms.

[lusty merlin]

oo i really like that! Though i think only dawn and prarie are the ones who use objects where the light comes from while everyone else uses their hand's. So i dont really know what that would mean for the others

[nimble ingot]

the temple door uses it.
As well as the hidden island in the clouds, home of the nearly overlooked boogie kid /j

[cinder crest]

Oh right I forgot about there. I usually just fly up anyway

[vestal pine]

Very very interesting! If anyone has recent photos of valley and waste elders in orbit i wanna see just to confirm.

[native galleon]

ok so there have been a lot of messages since this, so to reiterate, this is an idea i’ve wanted to write about bc i felt evil

basically it starts out like i said, the war is in full force, wasteland is in shambles, valley is involved, and forest is staying out of it as much as possible to not cause trouble, but it’s full of sympathizers on both sides. valley is desperate at this point, but also the twins have snapped and done some things to wasteland that make everyone scared of them, so they still have that leverage.

and so with the implicit threat of ending up like wasteland, and some guilt tripping about the fact that this is their life’s work, forest gets to keep their “neutrality” and stay unharmed on the condition that they, yknow, provide what they need. and they get spared the worst of the destruction, but not the pollution and the guilt of their role in the war :))) hehe :))

and it does get a bit better bc im not a monster but it’s still just very bad in general

[lusty merlin]

twins are from the sky wiki but yeah

[vestal pine]

Thank you tac!!

[cinder crest]

Pain...
Especially knowing what came after definitely wouldn't help that guilt.
It explains why the Forest is spared from the worst of the destruction... instead it ends up polluted and desolate instead. Ouch.

[native galleon]

but i would need to get at least up to this point in my current work first, as well as like, actually write more of it besides the one scene that came to mind

i have been hyperfixated on the sky war ever since that first emotional whiplash between valley and wasteland and so i have. So many ideas

[cinder crest]

Meanwhile Prairie is probably just too distant to be involved. The area has minimal ruins, it's just everyone there died from other causes. But Prairie seems to have basically come out the best of the entire realm.

Isle... I'm not sure how exactly it ends up a desert, admittedly. But I doubt it was the war and more something to do with the darkness itself.
Maybe it's water contamination from the forest actually? leaking into the surrounding oceans and killing the isle's vegetation.

And that's completely fair liv, haha. I've been hyperfixated on Sky in general lately tbh. Looking forward to it

[native galleon]

yea i think prairie and isle would have suffered more so from the eden explosion than anything else

[cinder crest]

Honestly, all this talk (as well as reading liv's fic) makes me wonder if the valley elders would have some kind of self-reflection after everything goes down and how long it would take, given the significant role they probably played in causing the darkness to spread in the first place.

By the time of the game they look to be fully on our side in restoring the light after all.

In fact the topic of the relations between the Elders after the shattering but before the game in general is an interesting one to me.

[keen shore]

The game text seems to imply they’re asleep or dormant (we have to ‘wake them up’ after all) but what exactly that means is unclear

[native galleon]

oh i think so, after all nobody really wins in the end, and they all end up in the same place which would definitely provide the context for some reflection. I think they would also have some cognitive dissonance in general while they’re doing not-so-great things for what they think is the greater good (this goes for any of the elders, not just valley)

you’re gonna make me give away everything if you keep making good points like this hahahah

[cinder crest]

Makes me wonder what the first skykid to wake them all up must've saw lmao
Still that just means they could reflect in the modern day.

[cinder crest]

And yeah. No one really won in the end, the land was rendered lifeless regardless. It's like I said my latest comment on your fic, the only chance the kingdom probably had to actually fix things was by working on a solution united. The civil war probably sealed the world's fate if anything - both sides focusing on winning said war over actually fixing the problem.

Do I think both sides coming to a compromise through words alone and fixing things from there was likely? no. But I'd say it was their only shot, unlikely to work as it would've been.

(And oops. Maybe I should keep questions to myself haha)

[native galleon]

Yea i just saw it tysm, you have some really great insights and I’m glad that what I’m trying to put out there is coming across!!

[cinder crest]

I'm glad you like my thoughts! this is really interesting to think about and you're writing out the tragedy of it all in a really compelling way!

[native galleon]

lol I’ve actually been really nervous to even mention it because I’m constantly like wait what if this is bad and dumb so i’m very relieved to hear that

[nimble ingot]

That would be cool to see a creature that would do that in Sky, user who deleted their message.

[wanton light]

Sorry, I forgot to link what I was replying to

[nimble ingot]

ah I see.

[wanton light]

Not sure if this helps considering there's not much evidence of Sky's animals eating grass from what I know, but if one takes inspiration from desertification in real world, if the inhabitants of Isle had herds of animals they usually moved around, which allowed the land to regenerate, but suddenly they were forced to stay in one place, the overgrazing would eventually turn the place into a desert.

[trim mural]

I hope we get to see more light creatures soon in-game, or at least in the animation project
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[nimble ingot]

Not me imagining a goat like light creature skykids can find frollicking in the graslands and mountains.
As well as a dark variant that would charge after skykid in corrupted areas.

[viral bay]

Remind me if we have any earthy creatures in Sky apart from aerial creatures?

[wanton light]

Well, crabs? Herd of crabs is a pretty funny idea I'd say

[viral bay]

The uncorrupted crabs are hella cute but I feel like they're like amphibians, half water half land. And I don't think they can survive only eating grass on that tiny island in Sanctuary

[trim mural]

What's this the Warrior of Love is feeding the manta?

there also seems to be a lot of them in the bucket they're holding*

[nimble ingot]

real life crabs are surprisingly resilient scavengers. They are not picky when they have to eat barnacles, fish or even worms.
Being Crustaceans, thier lifestyle is unique to aquatic creatures, although vaguely similar to amphians. They have gills, but can go on land as long as they can keep their gills moist.
(note, this is a simplified take at crabs.)

[nimble ingot]

Granny's mystery food balls /j

The game has rarely showcased proper food models.
The most accurate model for food I can recall are cakes, cupcakes, and pizza (all of which are related to the Office. )

[lusty merlin]

maybe some light balls? think of the one prop playfight would have, light food for a light creature

[nimble ingot]

It would be cool to have a baker spirit in the future.
Season of Sweetness 🥮

[viral bay]

Oh i once made a list of all food in Sky for my lore document

[keen shore]

Warrior fed the manta with fish in Aurora beta and I’m still so sad it got changed. I remain a manta eat fish believer

[viral bay]

My list of food:

Dumpling (grandma)
British biscuits (tea table)
Picnic cookie
Marshmellow
Crab soup
Crab barbecue
Birthday cake
Cupcake
Pizza

Japanese tea (teaset)
British tea (tea table)
Boiled tea

Upcoming 👀
||Lemonade||
||Popsicle||

[viral bay]

But i would be so sad for the fishies thoo
They recharge us in Treasure reefs too

[nimble ingot]

0.0

Agreed that it would have been cooler to have that rather than round fish cakes. 🐟
Especially when considering deep sea mantas can eat small fish, although there are other species that are filter feeders.

Maybe the babies are filter feeders, and the bigger ones cna eat small fish. Since the bigger versions would need more food than what planton or tiney shrimp can provide.

Granny's speculated food/ Menu (So far. Open to suggestions)

Angel food cake
Bao Buns
Cake pops
Cotton candy
Ice Cream
Marshmallow
Milk
Mochi
Mozzarella
Onigiri rice balls
Plump dumplings
Rice Cakes
Snowball (dessert)
Wax Orbs (zero darkness)

[viral bay]

Also plain bread 🥖 too, since Sky clearly has dough

[nimble ingot]

maybe.
I'd love to see bread as a model in sky.

The list I made started as a joke at first, while it focused food that can look like the model.

If anything, a rolled up wad of the inner bread would work. ❤️

[hushed steeple]

The valley twins aren't actually twins one of them is an alternate

[nimble ingot]

Not sure how that would be the case.
Is there something that suggests this for you?

[native galleon]

i think this might be a joke lol

[lusty merlin]

ah yes, sah and m̷͒̄e̷͗̃k̷͑͗h̶͐̋

[keen shore]

Sky is sadly allergic to depicting any kind of hunter/prey relationship unless the hunter is a dark creature and I’m really sad about it, I think there should be a light based food chain

[nimble ingot]

agreed

[earnest briar]

I think the reason all the possible hunters in Sky are Dark creatures is because they’re Dark Creatures. Light Creatures seem to have a symbiotic ecosystem/food chain (at least with us), where light is shared and exchanged to the benefit of all parties. But because Krills and Dark Crabs fall outside of that symbiotic chain, they’re only able to take light, never give or share it. Thus they’re the most feasible for hunter roles.

[lusty merlin]

that's fair, though it would be nice to see atleast some light creates being a hunter for once.

[nimble ingot]

there is hope with the sky puppies at least

[lusty merlin]

ik we haven't had a new dark creature in awhile, but if we do get one, it would be a nice change of pace to see atlast a passive dark creature so not every single one in sky would be hunter driven

small ramble but like, if we ever get sharks in the game i hope they aren't dark creatures, because sharks are just overtly villainized enough. and everyone will automatically assume they will be mean. Like yes they're wild animals who are hunters, but compared to a couple incidents with humans to 100 million sharks killed a year by humans is obscene

sorry just have alot of feeling abt sharks, they're just trying to live their lives, but ya having passive dark creatures would be nice to show darkness can be a natural thing instead of just darkness = pure evil/corruption someday

[earnest briar]

Sharks my beloved they are sillies

and way cooler than dolphins. Dolphins are overrated.

[lean prairie]

Is honking like a universal language since every light creature does it?

[sly kestrel]

So uh
I haven’t been here ina while, but does this mean the concept art wasnt lying and dark stone is a thing now?

[earnest briar]

It's already been a thing.

[nimble ingot]

A legend has rejoined the server /hj

[sly kestrel]

All my theories are coming back

[nimble ingot]

It is interesting to see 'good' darkstone in the game.
The kind that does not violently shake and kill skykids.

[sharp lichen]

It always was, this is just the largest form of it

[hushed steeple]

hmm

i see htis is someone immportant

::::

who are they?

[nimble ingot]

Seal has been in the lorechat for a long time.

[hushed steeple]

OH HONK SORRY FOR THE PING

[compact shale]

I mean there are many types of sharks

Some have better shapes for light creatures than others, such as... bamboo sharks, for example

[nimble ingot]

A basking shark would look scary, till you learn these gaping wide bois are filter feeders. The wort they can do is accidently swim into you.

[pastel brook]

bruh... talking about hacks and hackers is against the rules @lusty merlin

[lusty merlin]

where?

anyways ya the shark is cute! I mainly meant the bigger hunter sharks like great whites as that's the one many tend to villainize for some reason.

[pastel brook]

bruh... talking about hacks and hackers is against the rules @lusty merlin

[nimble ingot]

This sky bot got triggered by surfshark? /j

[lusty merlin]

(hey maybe work on your filter, it sucks!😁 )

just went on that ramble because i remember when the big creature ate us in abyss, so many people just called the natural instinct they were doing evil, and in general calling thebig fish evil? It couldve been the color pallete of red and blacks associated with a harmful force but ya

why is leviathan censored? test

oh NOW it works

[nimble ingot]

Maybe it was something else?

[compact shale]

People need to learn the difference between antagonist and villain lmao

[nimble ingot]

Thinking about studio ghibli films. ❤️

[lusty merlin]

right?? like a villan is a force who intentionally harms sombody in the story. An animal following instinct and the cycle of life isint a villain , even in the murals where they seem to try and destory the refinery i get. like ancestors went into THEIR home, they're just protecting it

like if you had the power you would also want people who just invaded your home to leave

[sly kestrel]

Oh there’s a timer on this chat too, that’s also new
Anyways, since dark stone is now confirmed confirmed what else did I miss. The civil war thingy in golden wasteland is confirmed too

[lusty merlin]

yaya, alot of stuff in the aurora concert just grounded alot of things we already knew

[sly kestrel]

wat aurora concert

[hushed steeple]

hm? an aurora moth?

LET ME INTRODUCE MY SELF (answers in the next message of mine

[pastel brook]

dancing around a shooting star, and every beancell remembers what have taken us this far

[lusty merlin]

id suggest looking past on all the seasons, sky did a collab with the singer aurora and we got a concert which doubled as making common theories we had to be canon. when it ended you can only get in the same with with an iap but it'll repon soon to the public

[pastel brook]

shards, you keep me crawling on my knees

[sly kestrel]

I see I see
That would’ve been eye candy for me, I can’t believe I missed it
I took my tiny break around the season where diving was introduced

[uncut pond]

So, you got back into the game this season? Because if so, you must've missed A LOT

[sly kestrel]

well when I stopped I started to notice each update did more world building and side stories rather than building on the main story
No I’m hearing there’s some concert that confirmed a bunch of old theories
And dark stone

[lusty merlin]

darkstone was always a thing, but we finally got a good look at the raw form current season, in aurora we did see raw chunks but they were more of projections

[sly kestrel]

they used to call me crazy for my wasteland war theories
Back then everyone was like “they were just fighting krill, get over it 🤓”
Also is this concert an in-game thing or is it something I have to look up on YouTube

[uncut pond]

A lot of stuff got confirmed, here's a very small summary:

• there was indeed a civil war in wasteland
• the citizens of valley were mean to mantas
• the vault took in refugees from wasteland during the war
• I took a break during the season of the rituals of the night I forgot it's name so idk what happened there

[hushed steeple]

so, basically aurora, (irl a norweigan singer) is the kind of voice/physical manifestation of sorts of the light, megabird (in game ofc)

and she has comme to tell us a part of the story of the kigdom

during her song "runaway" we meet a child ancestor, that arrives to sky with theyr mother (and other ancestors) , but during the way there, their mother dies, but later, they are found by the light or smt, and it allows them and the rest of ancestors to live in sky

during her song, "all is soft inside", we meet a darkstone miner, (yes darkstone is cannon) mining, and scaring away light creatures, but hten a rock slide ends with the lifespans of their mates, but the lgiht creatures help him out of the cave, and he realises what he had been doing

later, during her song "warrior of love" we meet a manta raser, idk what is the relevance here, we also realise that in valley, they catched the mantas that passed trough there.

then, during the song "the seed" we meet a kind of, para-medic ancestor, that lives after the war, and is going trough the battle field, rescuing hurted persons, but they themselfs get hurted by a spear. Later theyr mates find them and save them, but they are spotted by a krill

and during that same song, but of the concert we see the ACTUAl civil war

here is a quick resume of everything :3

[pastel brook]

A "moth" is a new player. They have brown wings, they flap around uncontrollably, and they are drawn to flame!

[sly kestrel]

season of WAT
we doin rituals now?

[uncut pond]

Rituals of the night

[lusty merlin]

passage not rituals

[sly kestrel]

this all seems like something I should rlly experience in game
Is it in a certain realm or…….should I jus YouTube it

[uncut pond]

Thanks for reminding me what it's actually called, I completely forgot 💀

[sharp lichen]

Here’s every season’s lore

Abyss: refined darkstone is canon in game, and mantas are used to charge darkstone

Performance: The Chosen One from the Season of Prophecy was elaborated upon, as well as showing that stars are little points of light in the Sky that can turn into other forms of light such as creatures in Skykids

Shattering: There was a massive diamond contraption at the top of Eden that stored light and memories, but when it shattered/exploded, it turned into darkness and ruined the kingdom

Aurora: War confirmation, plus the colored lights from Enchantment were used in combat

Remembrance: More elaboration in the war, also memory cubes can create holographic projections

Passage: Colored lights can be used in many different ways, and there’s a canon Skykid that represents all players

Moments: Still ongoing

[lusty merlin]

better to youtube for guides for the seasons you missed

[hushed steeple]

there is a certain realm

AND Y

its your lucky day!

because aurora concert is cmmig back!

[sharp lichen]

Can’t you just replay the season’s quests?

If @sly kestrel needs help: Abyss is in Wasteland social space, Performance is in Village of Dreams, Shattering is Shard Eruptions found everywhere, Aurora is in Colosseum, Remembrance is in Vault, Passage is in Isle, and Moments is in Prairie Caves

[sly kestrel]

Oh my
So many memories in theorizing
Everyone, called, me, crazy
One in particular though……where is the king

[earnest briar]

he ded

[sharp lichen]

Dead

More specifically, ||last seen being thrown into the darkness of Eden||

[sly kestrel]

did his diamond head ever show himself in any of the seasons like a flashback or anything

[earnest briar]

yep, in Shattering.

[sharp lichen]

||Yes, in the final Shattering memory, at the very top||

Should we really spoil past seasons for players who haven’t experienced those seasons?

[lusty merlin]

i meant looking up tutorials and guides for the seasons missed

[uncut pond]

Oh yeah I forgot to mention shattering and performance lore (thank you Baud for reminding me they existed)

• in-canon, the origin of the chosen one/the king is a folklore tale with multiple different versions and re tellings
• the diamond in Eden stores the memories of deceased light creatures apparently

[hushed steeple]

ALSO

i jsut remembered i have a friend that has the aurora wings!

i can take anyone who needs it to the concert

(should i change the channel to this?)

[sly kestrel]

well I was wrong about what the eden diamond was
But the explosion destroying everything is canon and now I’m happy.

[sharp lichen]

||There’s also this quite confusing image||

[hushed steeple]

HOW DID I MISSED THIS

[uncut pond]

I NEVER SAW THIS WHERE IS IT FROM??

Edit: Oh. I really shouldn't have skipped passage huh

[sharp lichen]

||Is one Skykid representing all the Skykids simply an artist’s interpretation, or something in canon?||

[hushed steeple]

that im preety sure is cannon

I HAVE MADE

tons of research on passage murals

AND I LOSE THIS

[earnest briar]

I didn't even skip Passage and I have no memory of this?

[sharp lichen]

||It gives the impression that there was one Skykid who did all the Passage quests, which is literally impossible in-game||

[sharp lichen]

||After the final memory, on the Passage Stone||

[hushed steeple]

hmmm

ineteresting

that or there was another studed-

||WAIT, what if the king, before doing the prpophecy propheices, did the passage passsages?!?! ||

[sharp lichen]

||I doubt that’s possible, since I don’t think the King has a cape||

[hushed steeple]

you know

||poetical liberties? that ended up being a foreshadowing for the absolutely most important thing on sky ofc.. BUT TAHT||

[sharp lichen]

||It could just be that the one Skykid was representing all Skykids who helped||

[hushed steeple]

||tho he has a core, just like all the other ones, not different||

imagine that we are here, krilling our selfs, and meanwhile the devs are like: haha, the true has been that there was no truth all along" or smt

[nimble ingot]

Prophecy trails takes away the capes.
which is either a challenge skykids had to prove worthy to appreciate their capes .
Or implying the one who completed the trails was capeless. Thus making it possible the Sky Prince to have completed the prophecy trails.

[earnest briar]

Prophets: “Alright you mischievous little creatures, we’ve had enough of you getting into places you shouldn’t and breezing through challenges with the power of flight so we’re taking it away from you until you complete our challenges.”
Sky Kids: immediately start cheesing their way through the Trials with the power of friendship
Prophets: “Wait, this isn’t how it’s supposed to work!”

[hushed steeple]

What exactly is darkstone? What does it do and I do know that it can be mined, but what is it?

Also is there a good/light kind of darkstone and a bad/dark version of darkstone?

[young gull]

Oh boy.. when they discover the shortcuts/glitches skykids do to get past those...

[earnest briar]

The Prophets can take away our capes but they can’t take away the power of the almighty chibis.

[viral bay]

It's a kind of mineral that can absorb light and then... do things. Think of transportation using the boats with diamonds of darkstone in them, the doors with diamonds that need to be lit with light, projections/holograms from memory by projecting the light of a memory lantern into a diamond, aka Vault, etc.

[earnest briar]

There isn’t really a good or bad version of darkstone so to speak. Red darkstone crystals are volatile and damage us and are quite likely corrupted considering they are only found around shards or in Eden, while the ones refined to act as buttons for various technology around the world of Sky don’t hurt us and even recharge us a bit, though I’m not sure if that part is canon. And the crystals found in Prairie Peaks appear to be it’s unrefined and safe form.

[hushed steeple]

Ahhh okay okay! Thank you so so much you two! That really helped my confusion a lot! /gen

[earnest briar]

Glad we could help! Come back anytime if you have more questions about the lore, we’re happy to help.

[hushed steeple]

tru tru

the MaGiC oF FRiEd ShRiMp

[static zephyr]

They’re also seems to be a type of dark stone that’s a bit inert It doesn’t really do anything but it does produces small amounts of light and judging by the current season massive Crystal somewhere in the cave

[hushed steeple]

Thank you so much!

[lean prairie]

Idk why but I just got the level 2 fainting emote and I just realized the sky kid snores and makes little noises does that mean sky kids have actual kid voices

[cinder crest]

Prophet of Air when they see sky kids turning their friends into rockets during their trial:

[median stone]

Somewhere over the rainbow... 🌈

[fallen root]

HI LORECHAT

BYE LORECHAT/LH

[hushed steeple]

i want to laugh so hard at this but i cant bc its 4 am ehre

[whole stag]

Why most spirits in Sky are Fat? Is it something to do with just design or there is a lore behind it?

[trim mural]

I was rewatching the animation project trailers, and I might be honestly reaching, but what if this is the Eden Elder seen completing the Trials? The same Spirit with the horn-like mask is seen in the murals and this trailer, though I'm not sure if they're the same spirit.
 
I noticed that this Spirit specifically has a different mask than the other kids shown in the trailer (while theirs are more rounded, this one has jagged edges in specific spots).

trailer for reference: https://youtu.be/KxHFy9503N4

[native galleon]

it’s not confirmed but it could be! tho i don’t think the mask is supposed to be the star one

[cinder crest]

If it was meant to be the star one it'd probably be at least a little more overtly flashy considering the elder masks. As the prince their mask might be even more decorated.

If this is the Eden Elder this would be set before they completed the trials and became Prince I imagine. Which actually lines up with what's shown in the trailer imo - not only was it seemingly set during the early habitation of the isle, but if you look at where the cave of prophecies would be it's conspicuously absent. Which could just be because of the shadows obscuring it, I admit, but it's still noteworthy.

I think it's def possible

[viral bay]

Ooh I've never noticed the rounded star-like mask!!

Many people here made that speculation as well, one established this timeline
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

But there hasn't any confirmation from tgc as they're in love w keeping the lore bible a secret

[trim mural]

Oh yeah! I was reading that earlier , I need to get my hands on that lore bible but speculating is so much fun

[earnest briar]

Wow, rude. What’s wrong with people and characters being larger in body size? Characters being fat should be normalized in games and media. Making everyone sticks is unrealistic.

Do you know how much silent disapproval I see on people’s faces every time I go out because I’m fat? Or the thinly disguised insults like “You’d be so pretty if you lost some weight”. Stuff like that is how people get crippling self-esteem issues about their body and creates eating disorders. Not everyone can be those stick-figure models on fashion magazines, but being fat is so commonly considered to be a bad thing that society promotes toxic beauty standards and starving yourself to death to look ‘prettier’. I like having representation in media where people who are overweight aren’t the exception to be pointed out, or insulted and told to lose weight because they don’t fit the standard people want them to. I like media where it’s just seen as normal, because Bird knows I haven’t been treated like that and would really freaking like to be.

[viral bay]

No there isn't any lore behind it, TGC probably just wanted a diversity of body type designs

[median stone]

Just design, or maybe it came to my mind they want to represent people with down syndrome?? Like barbie commercial made for down syndrome people

[viral bay]

Who in Sky do you think represents people with down syndrome?

[median stone]

Probably some original spirits that only show certain emotion? Each of them showing their strong emotion and we learn those things from them?

Probably none, but Sky really good at creating some emotions for certain spirits... Maybe some emotions that we dont usually do, like autistic people, they usually known for showing their strong emotion than normal people do, just maybe those design are made to represent people with disabilities... Again maybe those design are just design

[lusty merlin]

Or they can just, you know, be regular folks who show emotions??

[median stone]

Which mean its just design... And kinda answering that one question

[lusty merlin]

Just because a spirit is showing one emotion wouldn’t mean they have Down syndrome though? That’s probably because we’re only seeing one memory from one spirit

[median stone]

Yeah this what coming from this question, is there a lore or "just design" = (which mean regular folks)

[earnest briar]

Yeah! It's just that said memory is likely the one that they most remember.

[lusty merlin]

Theyre just charaters who just exist who are also fat. Even then asking for a lore reason for why a some people are fat is just, not a good way to put it at all imo. And I don’t see why comparing it to down syndrome connects to like anything at all involving that cuz that came out of nowhere

[earnest briar]

Take the cheering Spirit in the Coliseum (the one with the afro I forget their name ). Watching events in the Coliseum was likely something that they really enjoyed in life, so that's their most prominent memory.

[earnest briar]

Exactly, why do people who don't fit a certain body standard have to be justified in the lore? Why can't they just exist, like people do, and not get questioned for being a certain size or weight? Oh, and the Down Syndrome thing is pretty insulting. Only showing a limited amount of expressions because they're base-game Spirits does not equal having Down Syndrome.

[lusty merlin]

Yeah like a spirit memory shows a moment from that spirits life but that wouldn’t just mean they’re happy, sad, or angry 24/7. Idk how that would even connect to linking that to down syndrome because they show one strong emotion that fits whatever the scernaio is which is the point so we can learn the emote that they did in said situation

[median stone]

Im sorry if some get offended by my answer just because i remembered that one barbie that made with certain body type to represent down people, and suddenly im becoming that one toxic person just because im answering it

[earnest briar]

Some get offended? You're shoving characters into the justification of 'they probably have Down Syndrome' because they're not a certain way. That's not getting offended, that's just you being ableist.

[lusty merlin]

You couldve used like a ton of other examples, it’s just that mentioning down dyndrome doesn’t have any connection to the topic you where replying too. And honestly makes the point your trying to seem worse plus with your reasoning for mentioning it. There’s Barbie’s that have different body types, that would’ve been somthing you could use to demonstrate instead and stop it there.

Like I get you were trying to give an example man but that’s that’s just, not the best one to pick at all

[earnest briar]

Good representation of people with various physical and mental conditions is one thing, but far too many people shove characters into the 'they're mentally impaired' box for showing even the slightest hint of being like a stereotype. Wounded Warrior from Remembrance? They probably have PTSD from fighting in the war in Wasteland. It's never outright confirmed, but the way they're portrayed (and respectfully might I add) makes it seem very likely.

[lusty merlin]

Ya so the example you were trying to make is just, not a good one at all in this setting.
Like you know now but next time just like, think before you send something when doing a comparison like that and ask if it’s really a good one to make and why which can save just a ton of your time and others time.

[earnest briar]

Or lorechat's beloved Season of Passing the Neurodivergency Assessment

[lusty merlin]

Passage kids i adore 🎉

[earnest briar]

points to Sky this game can fit so much kind and respectful representation in it

[lusty merlin]

Oh and for the last part of that. Just the fact they try to to protect us from somthing that isin’t there makes me :(

Please rest your head, you’ve been through a lot and I hope you can get therapy

[lusty merlin]

Man I can’t go back to sleep so now I’m just thinking of :((

To be honest ik everyone will have their different charter interpretations, and I can’t chance that. But I don’t see why so many people see them as evil or bad, or cold? Like they stand with their people in the war, their sun sheild makes that clear. AND THEIR POEM TOO FROM THEIR PIN LIKE.

“Galloping in the wintery sea,
To the light, they fire a warm breeze.
Gifting guidance with unwavering love,
There, the courage needed comes from above.”

guidance with “unwavering love”just,,,

They’d put their people first 100%, they’re a protector first and a leader second.

They even try to protect us from whatever they’re seeing to the point of exhaustion in their cutscene, thinking we’re in danger and showing they would give up their life first before ours is taken

[compact shale]

Oh yeah
What's the general consensus on the Passage kids? Are they all autistic or do some of them have ADHD or AUDHD or something else?

[lusty merlin]

I I can’t quite recall all of them atm, but I do think Overachiver is more to having ADHD, and I think that’s what alot of folks also agreed on

[desert ridge]

how are yall diagnosing the spirits based on short memory segments+emotes

[earnest briar]

info cards too

[lusty merlin]

Mainly from info cards because alot of neurodivergent folks instantly related to them so why not🎉

[compact shale]

I doubt we would have diagnosed Mope without their info card
https://www.instagram.com/p/CrBwut5hNae/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

[earnest briar]

Wasteland Elder ❤️ I want to take them so many places Bird dammit! Let me bring them to Prairie Peaks so they can see it's beauty, or to Granny's so they can have a nice meal. They deserve so much but got so little and it pains me.

[lusty merlin]

Yeah ;-;

I feel even then they would be on guard from the war trauma even when they’re safe. I hope they learn to heal😭

This is one of the reasons I want a season focused on the elders, like maybe in a spirit memory to show the past because I would love to see their chsraters grow, expand, and heal

[compact shale]

We get a season about working in the temple?

[earnest briar]

AUGH I was listening to the concert OST and I got to Through the Eyes of a Child and now I'm thinking of it from Dusk's POV and I think I just got one-shotted in the heart with all the force of the Eden Diamond going kaboom.

[lusty merlin]

That could work! Like maybe skykids try to restore each elders temple and uncover lost memories

OUGH maybe to end the quest we get a scripted event where we meditate as normal and a new cutscene plays for said elder ;-;, I feel that’s the most natural way to do an elder season, cuz each spirit involved could ask us to assist. I doupt the elders would replace the spirits in this season

We had six spirits in tlp and there’s six elders (counting twins as one) so it’s doable

[compact shale]

One of the cutscenes is the elder finger descending upon you and giving you head pats /j

[lusty merlin]

That’s adorable ough,,,

[earnest briar]

Let me bring Dusk flowers TGC I am begging you I will give up a kidney if that's what it takes

Their cutscene is so good they want to protect us but fall because they're hurt and tired, but then we help them by sharing our light and letting them know that it's alright to be helped. They've done so much, and now we're paying back their kindness.

[lusty merlin]

The fact their theme is called “two hero’s” :(

[lusty merlin]

Hell maybe in the last quest you can also add the king/prince/one too if they add a secret place we can go to for the quest, would be different but you can definitely add omthing that way

[viral bay]

Didn't Wasteland elder hold 2 shields from different sides on 2 different occasions?

I'm not against the idea that Tsadi may be on the Light's side, but if not Tsadi then who was on the diamond's side, except for maybe the King?

Cuz so far I haven't seen anyone hinted to be with the diamond's side

[lusty merlin]

Think their constellation has a diamond symbol but that’s the only time I can think of it appearing, but they have the sun sheild currently

Think the twins were on the diamond side since I see them being the ones on the opposing side

[native galleon]

the constellations are often not the most accurate depiction, though it’s possible it could be hinting at them switching sides

[cinder crest]

Where can I find the overachiever info card?
Curious adhd haver here

[lusty merlin]

Here! #news message

[cinder crest]

🤔 Prone to believing their first impressions of people
📚 Their favorite book: the biggest one they can show others```

I can vibe with all of these lmao
~~me reading a 200k word fanfic in a single day~~

[whole stag]

Umm where did I even say its wrong to be fat? I just asked a simple query about character designs that might have something to dig deep into lore. Just like the character designs of diff species in LOTR like Hobbits, Dwarves, Elves. Its perplexing why you turned the whole thing political and all about yourself?
Sorry to say but its not nice of you to wrongly assume things and blame someone for no reason. Its hurtful.

[elder ibex]

i personally ignore anything that's meant for a therapist and not me /lh

what i came in here for tho, i would love to hear all the ingame aurora lore again and some folks' thoughts on specifically ingame aurora and her ties to its story fantastic musician in the kingdom but i highkey think she is (was? is ingame aurora a spirit?) very much a prophet and activist too

[earnest briar]

How is wanting people to treat me like a person instead of looking only at my body size political!? Is treating someone with respect political? Is wanting characters in media who don't fit a physical standard to be accepted and not questioned for existing that way political? I thought basic human decency was supposed to be a standard, not 'political'.

[sharp lichen]

Not exactly, most spirits in Sky are about average weight, with some having different models than others. For example, many Valley spirits have a bulky model to convey their athleticism

[elder ibex]

all they did was ask about the spirits and you made it about yourself. that's the main thing here..

[sharp lichen]

In fact, for base game spirits there are more skinny models than overweight ones

[whole stag]

I was guessing maybe it had something to do with realms. Like prairie is a comfy one and hence the spirits are relatively more relaxed and happy there.

[elder ibex]

trueeee with the addition that we know nothing about their physiology we can't actually know if they just all vary naturally, or tend to be either generally leaner or bulkier

[whole stag]

And surviving in Cold and Wasteland would require more endurance and hardships.

[sharp lichen]

I’ve noticed that for all the base game spirits there are only five body types:

The first one is somewhat lean, and found in all the “whisperer” spirits

The second one is a bit large but still not overweight, these types of spirits are found everywhere

The third one is skinny and with robes, it’s notably found in most Vault spirits

The fourth one is tiny and with a small dress, Nightbird Whisperer also shares this model

The fifth one is large and bulky, with some sort of scarf.

[elder ibex]

ooh this, valley is especially fantastic for looking at differences! i noticed they tend to lean toward sports that do best with lean and lanky bodies while a lot of the workers are stocky (and can be small or quite tall)

i love our beefy champions sm omg

[whole stag]

Its interesting to imagine what kind of live they had once they were all presumably alive. Like their personality, interactions and relations with each other.

[whole stag]

Ah right, thanks for posting the pics.

[elder ibex]

i've noticed that collar the last spirit has is common throughout valley and waste, but in aurora's journey we see that it was heavily present on one side of the war 👀

it makes me wonder if they were on the king's side (as there seems to be regular people vs collared/armoured warriors) or if he showed them favouritism

[whole stag]

What’s the current theory about King? I am not well informed about this. Would you like to tell me about this in brief?

[elder ibex]

i think most of it can be found in the pins in here, i only got full access to the server recently and probably can't give the best explanation

my best tldr is essentially it appears that the king or ruler we don't see ingame was a cause for the destruction of the kingdom and its people, along with all the strife, economic collapse, and environmental distress

[whole stag]

I see, interesting stuff. Thanks for the heads-up. I’ll check it out in pins for more info.

[native galleon]

A cause. They may have contributed, but it’s important to note that the fault doesn’t just lie with them, there were issues with the greater society that resulted in many of the elders making bad decisions and many ancestors being complicit in one way or another

[elder ibex]

very true!! the classic spin is often a corrupt leader but it's gonna be up in the air for a while until we get a handful of seasons more of lore

[native galleon]

some people like the idea of the king as a villain, which is fine, but I think it’s more likely that it was much, much more complex than that. That seems to be the message of Sky, that neither the problems of society nor their solutions can be attributed to one person alone. We have to work together to make the world better

[elder ibex]

oh no, i'm agreeing with you! it's interesting how the story's been unfolding into the decay of the kingdom and i think it's exciting the internal affairs we do get to peek at lol

[earnest briar]

I see the King as more of a tragic failed savior figure. They tried to help the Kingdom but judging from context clues and the Eden mural, may have ended up accidentally dooming it instead.

[elder ibex]

having reexperienced the beginning of the game recently i have more reason to believe that the king (late stage) wanted control over the ascension process, making the placement of the diamond (which we know some were designed to create beams of light, and using journey as its spiritual ancestor, likely focused or concentrated that power) and the way everything leads up to the kingdom naturally for migration

and along with that comes the question of why there aren't as many spirits as we saw fatalities, which has the obvious game answer (leaving space for more seasons and game load etc) and the possible story answers, like the heavy potential for mass evacuations (explains the unusual amount of boats seemingly on their way to eden's peak, though it could be shipments or tours) which would lead to the unintended immediate destruction of the "lesser" beings (creatures, ancestors) and severe harm of the elders. i also got the idea or impression from the opening sequence that potentially, this would have trapped the remaining ancestors in the realms and they were either too weak and faded away or were consumed by darkness, leaving only those with the strongest purposes behind

(sorry for the wall)

it leaves a lot of space for political tensions and battles before the event, as well as war breaking out during (if it's a slow build to the explosion) or after for many reasons. though i would guess that after, the trapped survivors would live out their days trying to make peace with their fates and what happened

i krilled the chat again

[hushed steeple]

Interesting

[elder ibex]

a sign of life!!! hello

i also just remembered there's several boats in pnr too

[hushed steeple]

Hello fellow living being!

[nimble ingot]

you are ok, and that is interesting

[elder ibex]

for the angst lovers: imagine the ancestors are in the heat of battle, slowly coming to a ceasefire as everyone realizes the horizon is becoming unusually, uncomfortably bright, burning eyes as the diamond shatters and creates the massive quaking we experience when it erupts. side turns to side and all realize something is horribly wrong, realize their friends are all scattered around them unsalvageable as tiny red hot shards begin to rain down and they have a stab of dread that the world might be ending

[elder ibex]

anywho i've also had recent thoughts about moth experiences regarding seasonal differences and such

[nimble ingot]

ooh, you want to share? 0.0

[sharp lichen]

Time for #gameplay-discussion-spoilers

[elder ibex]

but...it's moff lore (/j but also srs)

[sharp lichen]

Spill it

[elder ibex]

OMG YAY so my main thing i've been reflecting on is aurora related for obvs reasons, but it made me think!! pretty much all the other sky kids born have the first experience of birth, the tutorial, and isle of dawn before the rest of their adventure—but technically being an aurora moth, my first experience was being birthed right into the hall in the concert venue. other sky kids learned their first pieces of history from murals on the walls and distant narration, but aurora kids learned their first pieces of history from aurora herself, being shown the journey

it made me think more about not the origins and purposes of skykids altogether, but individually

not to mention the experience of being a fish, jelly, bird, manta etc before really figuring out how to be a skid

and the moth trauma of being flung around like confetti before learning how to walk

[trim mural]

Can you imagine though? AURORA taking your through Exhale Inhale - Through the Eyes of a Child as a moth then being flung around at the end

[elder ibex]

i can, it was my first intro to the game

it all makes me think if (ig) aurora is an avatar of the light, that perhaps the light tried experimenting with taking the course of the skykids into its own temporary hands to see what would happen, or perhaps was gently redirecting their values

[cinder crest]

isn't it a common theory that aurora is an avatar of motherbird or smth similar

[dense drift]

this might be the wrong channel, but is there a confirmed name for what species we are in the game? i know a lot of people just say sky kids or skids, but i'm wondering if there's an actual scientific name for us or if were just an unknown humanoid species.

[cinder crest]

Descendants is what's used in the concept art if it helps. I dunno if it's still canon or not.

[nimble ingot]

Aurora certainly seems to play the role of narrator/storyteller in the season.

The first song establishing who they are, as the Light in Sky, the living essence.
And in the songs that followed, they told the story of the Sky, from the perspective of the light.

Now that I think of it. I wonder if this entity of Light is characterised to be child like. An energetic and youthful being.
Also, I wonder if the entity that represents the darkness is the polar opposite, an old and monolithing character.
Meh, that is just pure hypothesizing.

I believe that skykids that arrived in certain seasons can be consider these season as their 'births'. Where they did not exist before then, but are now part of the world and connect with other skykids who have been around longer than them. Who share their experiences like an older sibling would and help them along their journeys, all while also potentially returning the favour with their own fresh takes on the lore.
It is kinda nice learning about new lore from folks who are new to Sky, because they thought or found something older players may have overlooked. 💙

[nimble ingot]

It can be theorised to be canon.
There may be a reference in the game itself for Skykids to be descendants. Although I cannot recall where it may be, or it does exist.

From a technical standpoint though, skykids may as well be considered descendants. As the ancetors have fallen, and skykids arrived after the fact.
That or an older generation was with the ancestors at one point, given the lore hint in season of Passage with the spirits playing with what certainly looks like skykids.
If anything, us skykids (the player avatars) are the descendants of ancient skykids who were in the ancestors lives. And are now among the fallen we save in Eden.

[cinder crest]

There's also the rather literal take on the fact we fall from the sky when we're born. There'd probably be several things that feed into it, what you said is all true.

You could also say we're 'descended' from Megabird.

[trim mural]

Are you talking about this from the concept art?

[cinder crest]

Yes but iirc it appears more than just there.

[trim mural]

ah okay, may have to dig for more concept art stuff later then

[cinder crest]

e.g this

It was definitely not a one off name and was at least for a time probably their 'canon' name. But this is concept art so who knows if it's canon.

[nimble ingot]

Lol, what if the seasons were not just us reliving the memories of ancestors.
But what if the reason why we can relive these memories is because there were skykids who made them. As in the memories were captured by a skykid. And only skykids can relive the memories. This in turn may explain why the spirits respond to us. Because we take the place of another skykid who was there before us.

The seasons are not just us finding new spirits, these are the spirits ancient skykids have found before us. Meaning, we are retracing the steps of older skykids.
If this is true, then the final season would show us how the ancient skykids have become the fallen.
How our own skykids would potentially suffer the same fate. Except that we now know what happens and may be able to do something different to break the cycle.

Where the fallen failed to shepherd the memories of the ancestors to Orbit. They pass this baton to us to go a bit further. To get a little closer. To be able to reach their goal and fulfill their mission.

That or I am just crazy, lol

[cinder crest]

Certainly possible assuming sky kids other than the king existed back then.

[nimble ingot]

yes.
Not all season thus far have hinted at this. Though seasons like Prophecy, passage, Performance, rhythm and aurora had references that tie in skykids.

(I'll explian these in a minute)

[elder ibex]

i do wonder about aurora's entourage of spirits, and that relationship. maybe they're "failed" chosen ones (prophecy) that she chose herself later in their lives during their events 👀

[native galleon]

I don’t think the aurora spirits were all alive at the same time, at least not most of them. The reason I say that is because they each represent a different part of the kingdom’s history, and together their memories and the concert sequences tell the story of the ancestors’ civilization from beginning to end.

[nimble ingot]

Prophecy
A season of trails that were too dangerous of ancestors to complete. And a glowing figure was able to pass each one and claim the Light.

Passage
A season about how a group of troubled teens were taught lessons to work together. While the season also showed skykids were involved. Most likely used to fulfill the lessons in the quest that each ancestor spirit was able to learn alongside them.
I am not sure though if these lessons were directed at the skykids specifically, given we dont see ancestors during the lessons (other than the masks who could represent a nature spirit). Or there is a metaphor in this season that combines the skykids and teens (or sets them aside).
No matter the case, skykids were involved.

performance/rhythm
Both seasons revolved around the spirits directly interacting with the skykids. Performance expanded on this a bit more with the stageplay being the plot of the season, while rhythm was the season that added daily quests (the same 4 quests we complete each day).
These seasons are connected by their guides being twins. Which in turn implies these spirits once relied on skykids to fulfill their tasks.

aurora
Naturally, the more direct season that spirited skykids away in each song. Despite the collab taking the edge of the trustworthiness of lore. One can still sift through the songs of Aurora to find the Sky lore by reading in between the lines.

Final thought (I have to go soon sadly).

What if the reason the stars fell is because when the Eye of Eden shattered. The first skykids who were trying to ascend were caught in the explosion and became the fallen.
Since they could not be reborn, their stars fell into the realms. And scattered to various places where skykids would typically go. Some hid in caves they once called home. Others tried to complete trials and could not return (thus waited at the end of the trail for a living skykid to take them home, Orbit). Others stood in places they used to visit. And so on.

There is no rhyme or reason to where these Winged Light are placed.
While it is still possible these child like stars could be fragments of the King, or Sky Prince.
I wonder if these could aslo be the souls of the Original Skykids.
The 'First Born' Children of the Light?

[elder ibex]

i like this a lot!! it also ties heavily into the beginning referring to winged light as "lost memories", telling us to bring them home

perhaps all skykids are descendants of the king 👀

[cinder crest]

Definitely an interesting idea! (and makes the children of light in eden all the more tragic, how they're not looking skyward but instead are all sitting over hunched)

[nimble ingot]

the winged light was once called Stars as far as back season of enchantment.

[cinder crest]

Makes me wonder what to think of the shards WLs in that case. Sky Kids absorbed by the diamond maybe?

[nimble ingot]

Also can now imagine the 9 brave stars sitting in the tunnel of no return in Eden.

[elder ibex]

the two holding each other on top of the diamond 😭

[elder ibex]

the one eternally hiding from the krill right before the tunnel omg

[nimble ingot]

The best part is, each instance of Winged Light does not have to be one soul per say.
They could potentially hold many souls of the fallen.

While the game does not show a lot of fallen statues in Eden, the amount of winged light far outway the statues. Thus implying there were many more fallen skykids.

[native galleon]

#screenshots-and-videos message they have masks

[elder ibex]

trueee, there are also the ones that crumble on the way up and get hit by rocks. maybe that's what happened 🥺

[cinder crest]

Huh, they do. That's... a really subtly different touch, but also really sad

[nimble ingot]

If you know where the trigger spot is, you can get close to them, before the game have them thanos crumble away.

[elder ibex]

assuming time isn't linear, maybe it's foretelling us hugging the prince...or he's trapped reliving that memory each time we ascend 👀 pulling him up and hugging him each time

[inland cliff]

Something i just thought about is that not all the murals exist in Sky are 100% true as some can be someone's vivid imagination or a beta blueprint

[trim mural]

salem's mural doc is really good

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FQgj2Ii1A9p1kSly9rehvZU-fPsKtGazuEGvE3Od-Bg/edit

[pastel brook]

Are dark creatures a natural evolution?

[nimble ingot]

perhaps?
Though the corruption of a light creature (i.e. dark dragon) was most likely not natural.

We can revisit this question when TGC adds more creatures to8 the lore (also add back the elder bird pls)

[trim mural]

I remember reading a theory a while back that the King Krill in Abyss is an amalgamation of all the mantas that were experimented on in the Treasure Reef or at least the waste/byproduct of the experimentations

[nimble ingot]

I would imagine the spirit manta could be eaten by the mega krill leviathan.
I theorise based on Sky logic, this was either an elder light dragon (now dark dragon), or an elder whale, or an elder eel (based on the smaller eel creature swimming in the Treasure reef).

[wild vector]

I was watching the Sky CN concert on Bilibili and this guy appeared. Who is he?

[orchid jolt]

King Resh

[nimble ingot]

Whuuuh!?

[wet totem]

Oh so he's canon now? I thought he never fully got his body design out of the concept art , just the shrine/statues of him and the drawings of him made it out of the Concept art

[orchid jolt]

Our saviour, Resh, freed the ancestors from Megabird's horrid control. But the spiteful bird-god saw it as blasphemy and destroyed the world of sky to rebuild anew with more.... maleable subjects, ones like children... ones like us (/kind of joking)

[orchid jolt]

i dont think thats beta content?

[nimble ingot]

(I am more surprised that they actually showed the bugger than anything else)

[nimble ingot]

Please, please share link 🙏

[wild vector]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1EN411U7Gd/?buvid=XUAE45DAB2B327105E9BF13836B424F72716B&is_story_h5=false&mid=HbSPY7IrFHktyJUZi%2BLvQQ%3D%3D&p=1&plat_id=116&share_from=ugc&share_medium=android_i&share_plat=android&share_session_id=8897b0a9-a838-495f-929e-411f3e44851e&share_source=COPY&share_tag=s_i&timestamp=1688997934&unique_k=kfAYLx5&up_id=211700578

Sorry it's a long link but yeh skip to 33:35 on the concert

it shows the elders in order from dawn to vault then this King Resh is last

[nimble ingot]

Am gonna study that video.

Again, nothing against the netease version of sky, nor at TGC.

But, LORE.
the lore has to be discussed!
Why throttle fans of the game fore lore internationally, just for seasons to drop lore beans and food scraps that is contemporary concept art of sky.
But alas netease players have that, and that!

(this is none serious rant. An emotional response intended for joking around. Part of this is serious. But I'd rather discuss that when I am kore awake)

[trim mural]

WOAH WOAH WOAH

im going feral over the king omg

[orchid jolt]

Anyway, the sky Prince (not petit prince, one actually "native" to the sky storyline instead), concept named Aleph (the elders had hebrew letters as concept art names) is thought to be the glowing kid we see in the murals of the cave of prophecy, also often thought to be the glowing kid we see when we die in pnr (i personally would prefer for that one to be us, as in us still trying to save someone even when locked in stone and the only person we can reach is us). It is believed that they were then made King of sky (taking on the name Resh) and were MAYBE corrupted by a darkstone mask wanted to use the darkstone to make a giant diamond to obtain energy from the eden beam, unfortunately this resulted in the eden storm and the fall of the elders and spirits/ancestors, possibly because the power diamond couldnt absorb all of the power, possibly because this set the balance of light and dark off or other stuff. alot of this is from concept art, some of this is generally agreed upon consensus by the sky community, and none of it is outright confirmed in game.

[trim mural]

I can only imagine what it's going to be like when the animation project drops. I've been writing this theory up for a few hours that I meant to share here but I've gotta watch that video now

[wild vector]

alot to take in 👀

[nimble ingot]

Old beta I think?
It was from light awaits if I understood it correctly.
Not to mention a rumour of a possible model. But that was scrapped and supposedly never made it to beta.

[orchid jolt]

There are at least two models of the king that I know of. Unfortunately they were hacked content and can't really be discussed (at least I think they can't be discussed)

[nimble ingot]

They shouldn't be discussed. Correct.

[orchid jolt]

Where in the video was this?

[nimble ingot]

33:35 they said

[orchid jolt]

Yes. It is an unfortunate but reasonable and perfectly understandable rule.

That's weird. There was no actual build up to the Eden elder. Just a heartbeat sound as all the elders flashed on screen, including the Eden elder. There wasn't even a long pause between Vault elder and Eden elder! And then just straight back into music?!

[wild vector]

yup. it was just a normal concert and that guy just appeared out of nowhere and the video carried on like nothing happened

[orchid jolt]

So its not that there is something that I would need to be able to speak Chinese to understand? There's really nothing?!

[wild vector]

yeh other than an actual official release of what he looks like which is exactly that

never seen him and I assumed he was the Eden elder considering the order but I wanted to make sure since I never saw him ingame.

[nimble ingot]

As far as I know of the lore. the ending of sky had a lot of work done and was changed a lot/was unfinished dyring development (at least as far as what TGC would reveal publicly)

[orchid jolt]

I am no longer jealous of them having that. It feels like negative lore beans in terms of satisfaction tbh

[nimble ingot]

Oh?
I'll have a look after I rest. This convo is too exciting to sleep through though lol.

[sharp lichen]

After watching this, I am very, very, very confused