lore-discussion-spoilers

[hushed steeple]

Its almost like most krabs have an inborn hatred toward sky kids that's almost reflexive for them.
Maby even something like (for a lack of a better word😅) racial memory that forces them to be hostile to sky kids becouse of there similarity to ancesters

Of course, I could just be talking out of my A-word 😅

[earnest briar]

I like to think that the Crabs are actually trying to get you to Crab Rave with them but can't communicate that, so they get frustrated and knock you over because they're trying to get you into position.

[hushed steeple]

Going only by in-game lore, the only thing that shines any light on the history of crabs are the murals in Arc cave

The story is a bit vegue, but one thing is for curtain.
The anceaters did something they really shouldent, and the crabs retaliated

[native galleon]

crab war

[lyric imp]

this idea for krill's origin is dope, but where did you get that from?

[lyric imp]

looks like they just drained the pond that crabs lived in

[hushed steeple]

Its mostly from observations
The rest is just me traing to put it all together into something that makes sence

[hushed steeple]

Yeah, that was my though too.

[lyric imp]

i'm pretty sure Jenova confirmed that they were a corrupted creature rather than something in itself

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[hushed steeple]

Well there you have it. Theory comfermed☺️
There is also concept art that shows a whole bunch of light creatures, and the crabs were among them ( although those had the same colours as mantas)

[lyric imp]

interesting

[hushed steeple]

We still need more data to really say what happened.
For now we only have theorys and headcannons beyond this

[hushed steeple]

Still, one headcannon I come up with right now is that the ancesters over time drained the lakes that the crabs called home for there own use ( perhaps the needs of the factory coused them to take way more water), and that coused the crabs of waistland to revoult

This is pure fun headcannon of course, so dont see it as definitive😅

[lyric imp]

possibly, though imo pollution is a more compelling alternative. we see aggressive crabs in sanctuary and there is no refinery there, but there is pollution nearby

[hushed steeple]

Do you think ancestors had rock like skin because they could’ve been omnivores(though it’s debatable, they could still have the capability of eating)and thus representing the natural darkness built into them(WHICH WOULD BE A GOOD THING).
Do you think that’s why crabs are rocks?

I dunno if any of this could be accurate at all but I was just thinking about it recently.

[empty belfry]

Wasnt there originally only 1 light beam for eden? From every other perspective theres only 1 light beam and that was the one from ascent after eden not eden itself?

Or was there always 2 and ijust never realized cause hermit has such off perspectives in its placement which allows you to see eden differently.

There was also this light which i only saw in hermit valley. Perhape the eden diamond?

[native galleon]

it's a bug

[sharp lichen]

This appears to be a glitch. In canon, it's going to be a form of distortion

[empty belfry]

Ahhh thought so. The onky beam in ascent id ever seen was from ascent and not in the route to eden. I thought it was a little neat though, the perspective of it

[native galleon]

Going to be? What do you mean?

[icy wing]

Crabs can be seen in the animation project trailers for sky, which might mean crabs might've existed before everything else that happens

Perhaps they were the ancestors' first taste of darkness or they tried harvesting crabs for light long ago?

[empty belfry]

Heat distortion i think? Compare it to like, mirages you see when on the road

[native galleon]

...like a cold version of that?? /lh

[empty belfry]

I suppose yeah lolz

[icy wing]

If the first one is right, then crabs might be sentient darkness whose territorial or self defense instincts are kicking in

If the second one is right, then they fear that sky kids are trying to harvest them

Maybe when you free them in graveyard they realize you're friendly

[hushed steeple]

Good observation
That is precisely why Im still waiting for the next animated project😅

Still, one note
You dont harvest light from darkness, thats just not how it works
Darkness traps light within it and doesnt let it go, so we need to burn it to release the leght.

[empty belfry]

I imagine crabs are basically like feral cats or dogs. Terrified of skids because they dont know what our intentions are.

Plus its been seen once(i think?) Where crabs have been pets

[heady ember]

Perhaps the ancestors used Darkness as a tool for harnessing the Light? Thus creating a need to harvest both

[icy wing]

Crabs were shown alongside other light creatures

Maybe we used to try to harvest that?

Additionally, notice that the crabs (If I'm not mistaken) seem to have darkness in them. Maybe they were the first to be corrupted and the ones burning in graveyard had the darkness burned away?

[hushed steeple]

Well, yes, thats the whole point of the crystals and factorys.
And we see what the row materials look like
So no😅

[icy wing]

Yes considering unlike Krills they don't seem to actively be hunting for sky kids and don't follow you too far if you run

[empty belfry]

Mhm. They seem more defensive than anything. Just wanting safety. Whereas krills dont care for their own safety i imagine, they just consume at a constant rate

[icy wing]

Also because crabs don't seem to be going after other light creatures as well

The first to be corrupted by darkness that did not take over it completely is making sense to me

[empty belfry]

Theyre eyes are simmilar to a skids eyes being the same orange hue, too. Which means at skme point they may have been light creatures

[native galleon]

I think darkness has always existed in nature in the sky world, i mean look at shattering "ancient darkness" and "ancient light" for example. Darkstone and dark plants seem to be the most common forms of this, not actively harmful in their natural state and just trap light as a part of the ecosystem

Crabs on the other hand I see as corrupted creatures, affected by the imbalance of light and darkness that happened as a result of darkstone extraction and overuse. But the ones in the animation trailer could be different idk

[icy wing]

This could make a lot of sense

Actually, the murals show what seem to be ancestors trying to capture butterflies before crabs seem to chase(?) them away? That could mean something

[native galleon]

Yeah i think even if the corruption wasn't super widespread yet, crabs are pretty small and could get corrupted/become hostile if exposed to lesser degrees of pollution, which might explain why we see them in almost any environment even if there's not much darkness around (sanctuary, ice fishing area, valley's creepy closet situation)

That, and/or the forgotten ark murals are depicting Sky's version of the Emu War where the crabs won

[icy wing]

HAHAHAHA great analogy

[sharp lichen]

What I meant was that the distortion from Eden being similar to a black hole made it warp space. That's why Eden looks differently in different realms, and this is an extreme version of that

[native galleon]

oh i see! I thought you had heard some explanation of it that wasn't released yet maybe

[hushed steeple]

And atill nothing for the daptation….

Oh well….

[nimble ingot]

wooh, the mask of the King (speculation)

[distant turtle]

Hello accursed Crown

[nimble ingot]

certainly more cursed than your pfp.

[crisp socket]

Does anyone have a chart of all forgetful storyteller choices

[nimble ingot]

credit to the fantastic team, the Sky Inforgraphic

[crisp socket]

Thanks! steals your chart for a fanfiction

[nimble ingot]

by all means, just give credit to the Sky Infographic group who not only collected the data, but presented it in this satisfying format

[midnight hazel]

Can someone explain what the white and dark sky kid after Eden symbolise? (To make it clear : like after we die we become a kid with wing who walks towards a white kid who is sitting and we give them a hand to lift them and we hug them , and as soon as we hug them we become one ig )

[young gull]

henlo again lorechat❗
im now curious about something and want to hear your answers
okay, lets suppose that we help every spirit and elder is on orbit (aka be a star again). now, what do you believe what skykids will do? perhaps repair a bit the kingdom? perhaps take care of creatures of the light?? perhaps any other answer you want to share?? (please do!)

[nimble ingot]

you can ask about Eden here.
If it's lore, you are in the right place 👍

[midnight hazel]

Does is it mean we have good and bad in us or light and darkness in us which makes us who we are ? Idk

[nimble ingot]

First off, the lore of Sky is open to interpretation, certain scenes such as Eden's death void has some uncertainties neither the game, nor research such as in concept art gives a clear answer (as far as I know from being here for 3 years).

Death in Sky is certainly in the realm of darkness and a skykid losing their light makes them a child of darkness (source: a comment by a dev talking about the game in a dawn playthrough. Sadly, the video I got the quote from is missing the commentary 😦 ).
If Light represents life, Darkness would be the opposite and thus arguably would represent death.

The light kid we meet there can represent several things, depending on how one sees them with the evidence in the game.
♦️ They could be a child of light that we have seen glimpses of throughout the game. Which were once known as Stars, and later on called Winged light.
♦️They could be the soul of the fallen children. Based on the statues we see in the game (they could be a skykid since they also end up as a fallen upon death with statues being identical).
♦️They could be our own inner child, our Light side, the good half of our own skykid. The visuals of the dark and light coming together are very reminescent to the Yin-Yang symbology. Where the good and the bad creates balance (harmony which is important in the game based on the mural in Dawn).
♦️They could be the Sky Prince. In concept art, there were references to the Elder(s) in Eden being Resh and Aleph (these names are not canon, but fans may still use them as nicknames). King Resh and Prince Aleph were the supposed elder(s) of Eden. Given in every other realm, we meet an elder, it would imply this interaction the skykid saving (or getting saved) by the elder. Some obscure sources further support this with the sounds in this scene is reference as King Hug (though take this with a grain of salt).

All in all, the scene visually explains to the player that skykids are hybrids of light and darkness.

[young gull]

oops, did you ping the wrong person?

[midnight hazel]

I think my favourite interpretation would be that as we loose our wings aka light …. We find our way towards the light and thus getting our wings back !

[nimble ingot]

Adding to this with the Orbit section.

Orbit in Sky can technically be considered to be a realm as well. However, this area has unique qualities that sets it aside.
From an artistic interpretation, it is very interesting that the 8th realm is beyond our reach (more like the ancestors without skykids helping them), as the number 8 resembles infinity, and symbolises vicotry, and overcoming as a lucky number. In Japanese mythology, it is the double of 4 (the number of death), which makes it a holy number.
In Christianity, it can be compared to the next day after the creation of the world (from the creation myth). Which makes it the beginning of a new cycle.

Orbit is where the skykids have completed their journey and are about to return to the beginning, to a new cycle.
The game would clue this in with stating skykids are about to be reborn (which should be in the game, as it makes forming that connection easier),.
Not to mention if it is your first time doing so, the game should say this to the player, "The real Journey starts here..."
Implying skykids are meant to continue the cycle and the game does not end.

[nimble ingot]

nope. That was to answer your question.
I wanted to clarity things with the first response knowing the word count would stop me, lol

[young gull]

ohh i see
lore is pretty interesting 🍝

[nimble ingot]

The light protects our skykids' own flame.
As we take damage, the cape takes the damage first, then we lose the winged light in the cape, and we lose our own flame last.
Skykids without their capes are very delicate.

[sharp lichen]

Skykids still have lots of purposes: restore the world, prevent darkness from spreading, and take care of light creatures.

However, their most prominent goal is to just roam around and be kids

[nimble ingot]

Am glad to hear.
Also hope to see your own theories/thought here some time

(also, your server name about the ts is sweet. I like that spirit and hope they come around as a ts too)

[young gull]

one day.. possibly
im roaming around artchat instead, but ill give a peek around here more often

[midnight hazel]

Isn’t one of the main purpose is to make friends?

[sharp lichen]

There are three common theories:

1. It’s your own inner light (most common)

2. It’s the light of the Eden Elder (less common)

3. It’s the light of another Skykid. (My personal favorite)

I like the third one the most. In that Eden area, you save others by giving them your light. So, when you die, other Skykids save you by giving you their light.

[soft timber]

Endless light of giving to others before yourself

[sharp lichen]

That could fall under “be kids”

[midnight hazel]

That’s actually a interesting take (3rd one)

[sharp lichen]

I mean, besides the endless new seasonal spirits, Skykids have mostly done this already

It’s mostly just gameplay (and I don’t like using that phrase, but it really applies here, Sky would be extremely boring otherwise) that makes it so that we have constantly relive the spirits

The problem with Sky is that the world’s MMORPG-style gameplay is not consistent with the lore. If the two connected, then all spirits and elders would’ve been immediately relived and the newer players wouldn’t have to do anything

[young gull]

oh yeah❗i dont like sometimes including gameplay but its really really applies here so i dont mind (also.. why did i think that the daily spirit that we have to relive is like the 'naughty spirit of the week' and started cackling out of nowhere..)

[nimble ingot]

commenting on the RPGpart.
Playing DnD makes hearing Ranger and Monk in the game is exciting, lol

[sharp lichen]

Gameplay shouldn’t be ignored for the sake of lore, instead gameplay and lore should be combined to further both. There are exceptions, however, and this is one of them

[nimble ingot]

agreed.
The game has metalore since the player learning about the game connects them to their skykids. The game also uses real world mythology as influence to some of the lore.

[young gull]

Its a bad habit of mine to exclude gameplay. i try my best tho

[lyric imp]

Don't corrupted crabs have black particles on them though?

[lyric imp]

Many possible interpretations, though my fav is body/the corporeal/the profanum reconnecting with the light/soul (kinda)/life energy/the sacrum which allows for rebirth. The shiny boy is winged light another skid gave us in their trip to eden after we died and froze as a statue

[empty belfry]

Was there ever an explanation as to why the elders are in this shard memory?

More specifically, why wasteland's spear was above the diamond, actually.

[earnest briar]

They were trying to have it land in the hole in the middle of the star-crown-thing

[nimble ingot]

Probably flung away during the massive explosion (it would take nothing short of a nuke to launch 6 massive bodies like that).

[empty belfry]

Perhaps. But was there ever an actual lore explanation? Or was there never a clear reason its like that ?

Cause you can see every elder except for wasteland and even then, you cant actually see wasteland, only their spear which is pointed directly at the top of the diamond.

[earnest briar]

That's not their spear though? It's a giant version of those spiky stars you see in different places, like those little gold pillars in the tunnel you go through after jumping off the Prairie Social Space.

[empty belfry]

.oh my god.

If it is id be concerned why their face is so pointy 😭

[nimble ingot]

oh, that.

That is a starry shape that one can interpret as a symbol for the King. (speculation)

[earnest briar]

It's presumably a mask of some kind.

[empty belfry]

But if it is that, then where is wasteland elder in the explosion?

[earnest briar]

Disintegrated. Because nothing ever goes right for them.

[nimble ingot]

They are there, best look around some more in the dark.
The darkness makes it tricky to spot all of the elders.

Best bring a prop to help charge you up in the air (it's a pretty neat trick that I hope still works)
Otherwise, bring a friend to tag team flying higher.

[empty belfry]

They might have been. I soent a good 12 minutes trying to l9cate the 2nd valley twin.

Ill have to head back later with my camera again for a couple more shots with some ehcanched brightness

I know prarie was a bit further back so watseland may be aswell.

[nimble ingot]

fair lol.

I assure you, all 6 elders are there. Just tricky to find them in the dark.

A lantern may also help with the search. 🔦

[empty belfry]

True tree. Also can we just laugh at the way forest fell?

[limber copper]

how did the eye of Eden even come to be 🤔

if anyone answers that, please ping me

[empty belfry]

I dont think there is a lore explanation that has ever been states anywhere, there may have been, but i dont know.

[nimble ingot]

Fun fact:
Forest elder is the only elder in that scene that has an updated model.

This is because in Light Awaits, there was a time where the game had what fans called Blue Eden. An area in development of eden that not all skykids were able to find.
Mirriam was one of the fortunate explorers who shared a video of the area in this channel.
The elder models were seen back then, except for Forest.
I theorise the reason why is becuase the elder's final look was being worked on and their model was thus absent at the time.

When the season came around and the scene was pressumably resused, the forest elder was given a model which is notably more updated and polished compared to the other elders in that scene (which explains the other elders' fragmented appearance in that memory).

[limber copper]

ah ok

[empty belfry]

Mmmhh. Maybe. She also has the clewrest view i coukd get, really.

[soft timber]

queue the classic old scream

[empty belfry]

Plus this gives a good idea for their actual in-game height difference. Valley elders being slightly taller than prarie and isle being ungodly lanky

[nimble ingot]

The murals in Dawn explains this in a way. Though the old concept art gives more info (albeit it may be taken with a grain of salt given its old and was in Light Awaits.)

There was a massive explosion in Eden, the calamity of darkness corrupted the dark dragons and has since then been spreading across the realms.
The elders presumably sealed Eden to prevent ancestors from ascending and thus trapped them in the realms.

[nimble ingot]

note, heights of ancestors and elders in the game are sadly inconsistent.
One notable example is the vault elder. Their size in the first elder scene is roughly ancestor sized (though on the taller end), then the all elder scene is roughly valley twin sized, and ultimately in Orbit, the elder towers over the elders (taller than wasteland even).

[soft timber]

Don't forget the Wasteland and Prarie elders being thick in completely different ways

[empty belfry]

Vault puts on heels between scenes, duh.

[limber copper]

What was wrong with the ancestors ascending? Wasn't that the point of the game for us to do? (aside from making friends of course) sorry for asking

[empty belfry]

The most consistent height for elders is id say valley. They always just seem a bit taller than a huge sized max height skid

[earnest briar]

Well, considering Eden is currently a giant storm-filled deathpit of darkness and suffering right now, they probably didn't want any Ancestors to risk getting their Spirits trapped there and unable to ascend or be saved.

[nimble ingot]

Not sure with the elders (hence the speculation).

It is indeed our skykids mission to find and save the ancestor spirits with shepherding their light through Eden.

[sharp lichen]

What is meant by this 🤨

[sharp lichen]

@limber copper I don’t think the Elders intentionally sealed the Ancestors, but rather that Eden exploding prevented them from going anywhere.

[soft timber]

Well you see, Wasteland Elder's thickness is (presumably) from proper excersize and training for war

Prairie Elder's thickness is just that he looks like a giant teddy bear with a jar for butterflies

[nimble ingot]

Fair argument. 👍

[sharp lichen]

Oh I thought you meant thick in another way

[soft timber]

a;lsdkfs It could be that but this is a sfw server and the staff may smacketh me into oblivion

[frigid tinsel]

Wasteland Elders in their heels better than Vault Elder does imo

[sharp lichen]

In my opinion Prophecy Guide does heels the best

[paper copper]

Be ready for me to post alot about this guy and my hcs for em because I am too obsessed
Like for one I think they are stressed all the time an hardly sleep
And another little hc thing I have is that thoughtful director and admiring actor are the parents of the performance guide and rhythm guide because of thoughtful directors hair meshed with actors height = owl twins
Also it makes sense for a director to fall in love with an actor and some ts hints that have also led me to believe this (lemme see if I can add images)

Ok I can't add images 😭
But I know one of them likes receiving flowers and the other gifts flowers to those they care about
Plus alot of their ts hints seem to be opposite to each other and I'm like opposites attract
I am overthinking

I am so normal about this

[hushed steeple]

slap!

EVERYPNE

so are we ignorong that this passed away skykid is looking at the ldarkstonecrystals?

Also the fact that it is implied that geologist died dancinng???

SLAP/lh

Yes ik it has no sense but dont krill me

[lusty merlin]

Idk where it implies that’s how Gelogist died that way, I feel spirit memory’s just show a fragment of one’s life, not exactly their death

[hushed steeple]

Oh…..

Thats true..

WELL NVM

byeee

[shut crow]

So um... anybody gonna tell me what in the Silent Hill I'm looking at?

[hushed steeple]

Im preety much aure thats forest

fall forest, fall!!

[shut crow]

Oh no

[lusty merlin]

Yeah that’s Forest elder, to be fair from that angle their dress and hair kind of makes their silhouette more jumbled

[remote plinth]

Somehow I notice that baffled botanist ( he ) and scolding student ( she ) are the one who has their spirit memory connected and when they had one of it when the arrange things so the jar could be lifted for the treehouse kinda expected that they are something going on between the two that made them pair up
I'm expecting some more fanarts from student and botanist but likely the fanbase prefer oc veteran players likely but yea both are neat and cool

[lusty merlin]

They could also just be friends trying to work togeather but whatever floats you boat

[remote plinth]

Idk, the way botanist gives the jar or something to student looks ..
Like proposing love 🤔 hmm maybe

Anyways, I'm having a chill feel that there something bout the performance stage in 2 location one in vault and one in valley
While valley has a stadium I'm implying that their something with how they wanna put a show over things when the sky era itself looks like from ancient timeline

Maybe 3 also with season of performance small teater tho

[fierce adder]

Anyone who has photos or video sources of how forbidden vault (aka vault of knowledge now) actually looked like in Sky:light awaits?
Or valley elders (ive seen valley elders but the quality was bad) I want it for my nonsense lore
Nvm found some

[sharp lichen]

Then again, I’m not exactly sure, since their memory usually lines up with their spirit model

[lyric imp]

it used to be the capital of the kingdom or sth. imo elders, including the now nonexistent king, tried to create a beacon of light which would connect the ancestors with, well, the Light, but to do it they made a huge darkstone chunk absorb ligh/soul from lots of creatures. all went well for some time until the pain of the souls caused the crystal to shatter and spontaneously turn to darkness, basically wiping out the ancestors in the capital

the crystal consumed the light of any creature it touched, presumably, which is why we take damage when we touch shards, we die when we touch the main crystal, and why we relive and free creature spirits when doing shards

essentially the shard memories are the memories of the trapped creatures and later on the crystal itself, whose soul/light is essentially the amalgamate of lights of all the trapped creatures. hence, it's basically conscious

[earnest briar]

Except it's impossible to actually reach the Eden Diamond? What are you talking about?

[lyric imp]

is it? i remember a vid of someone getting to it and just dying, but i might be misremembering

[earnest briar]

They probably just naturally died from the rockfall.

[lyric imp]

if i find it i'll share. the main point was that all remaining WL popped at the same time despite there being enough to survive more hits

[keen shore]

i will also drop in to mention it’s not exactly known yet what caused the diamond to shatter and if the beam was even created at that time or had already existed

[marsh spade]

I’m just curious, what does this symbol mean: ? Like it’s everywhere in the game, even on the default pants

[nimble ingot]

There are theories that speculate on the diamond to represent the king in some way.

[hushed steeple]

..

Since monopoly is not posinle

Time to adapt to sky one of alasair’s sky fanfics

[lyric imp]

judging by the fact that it's the symbol of season of belonging, i'm guessing it symbolises belonging

[marsh spade]

But the symbol was there before the season of belonging?

[lyric imp]

yeah. i think it was an existing symbol of belonging in game and the season symbol was inspired by it, similarily to e.g. little prince and the fox symbol

[marsh spade]

Okay, makes sense. Thank you

[hushed steeple]

This is a fantastic theory
Though it might need a slight amendmants😅

The coloum of light ( Im asuming that's the beacon you mentioned) was there from the start. The capital of the old sky kingdom that is now know as edan was build in the region around the beacon

This was all gradual over many many years, the final thing being the creation of the edan diamond to tap into beacan to drain energy from " The Light", which ended up absorbing the light souls of light creatures

The rest is preaty much how you described it☺️

[earnest briar]

I would get permission from Alasdair before doing that.

[lyric imp]

really? i thought the mountain the ancestors climbed in the cave of prophecies mural was the eden mountain, and i don't recall it showing the beam of light. do you think it was deliberately ommited? if so, how do we know the beam was there before the crystal?

[hushed steeple]

One secund, let me find the images

[earnest briar]

Well, I do have an answer to that. In the Warrior portion of the Aurora concert you can see Eden off in the distance, and while the beam is there, it appears to be castle and lightning-free. Therefore since there is no lightning, there's no storm, which means no Eden Diamond there to cause the storm. (Or at least it hasn't gone kaboom yet at the point in time that song was set in.)

[hushed steeple]

I was just about to say that😅
(I really need to organise these pics better)
But yes, what you said is true

Also, the conection between The Light and the moutain is fundamental to the entire cycle of reincarnation that all light creaturs go through, so it had to have been there since the first age of sky

As for the mural, I think its just becouse of the simetry of the mural
Its more figurative , with everyone spining around the king,

[lyric imp]

i think i'm more convinced by the secnd option, the diamond is there but is still not shattered or corrupted

[lyric imp]

not quite the part i meant. i'll go in game soon and take some pics. also, how do we know that the concept art on the left holds true in the final version of the lore?

[hushed steeple]

That specific peace is not 100% true as some parts are dated, but the whole cycle of reincaenation, the migration of light creatures to edan in order to reincarnats.....
That has always been a constant in the game design and it has been mentioned as so by the creators

[lyric imp]

oh wow, i had no idea. i'll need to search more info on the creature light cycle. does this hold for current eden? we don't see any light creatures there nowadays

[hushed steeple]

Also, I never got the impresion that the diamond lasted for an especially long amount of time

Looking at one of the concept art images for the upcomeing sky project animation.....

This is probably what the mountain would look like with the edan diamond in operation

We would have to wait and see if they do decide to animate this part, but hopefully it would finally give us insight into how things were back then😅

Going by what I've been able to see so far, the edan diamond would at the most been active for a short time in the final age of the old kingdom, and at the shortest it went kaboom in less then a day.
At any case it probably wasnt active for decades or longer

[lyric imp]

Looks like you guys were right

king, priest, the holy place. i'm still so puzzled about cycle of life, so if anyone has more resources, i'd be grateful if you shared

[keen shore]

I will drop in to mention that the way this mural is set up is that the glowing figure and the beam appear later than the rest of it. I want to say when you light the Fire braziers but my game absolutely refuses to let that feature work as it’s intended so I cannot check. It is sometimes interpreted as “the figure caused the beam to appear” which is somewhat what you were going with.

My personal interpretation is more like… the Eden elder and the Eden beam are very symbolically and physically connected so whenever one appears later in murals so does the other one

[hushed steeple]

That is a possability, though given everything else I still think the beam still exist in some form even without the elders ( though it probably grew brighter as time went on)

[wanton light]

I've got a question, hope this is the right place to ask. So, are there any mentions about the behavior of light creatures towards people before the kingdom was corrupted? Maybe friendlier or something?

[earnest briar]

We can see in various memories that at least some Spirits had a positive relationship with Light Creatures, with I believe the most prominent example being Light Whisperer's memory where they find an injured bird and take care of them until they're healed.

[wanton light]

Ahh, right, because I'm wondering whether the relationship got substantially affected after the corruption. If the creatures became perhaps more wary of people

[earnest briar]

There's also Mindful Miner's Aurora quest, where jellyfish save them and other miners from a rock collapse.

[earnest briar]

Well we're not exactly sure which memories take place before and after the collapse of the Kingdom. We can make assumptions on some, like the Abyss crew, but we ultimately have no way of knowing. Personally I believe that while yes, the relationship became strained, the Light Creatures understood that not all Ancestors meant them harm.

[wanton light]

You've been a great help, thanks much!

[earnest briar]

Happy to help! If you ever need some more questions answered, feel free to come back. We'll answer them as best as we can.

[lyric imp]

hm, makes sense. imo this might suggest that the ray does come from the crystal. interestingly, iirc in the death room the beam appears along with the crystal, and then we fly to the beam and up. then, we, once again, we fly to the beam in the crystal and up. perhaps crystal and the king are connected through the king organising the project of building the crystal in order to do something somehow connected to rebith? imo the hypothesis of the crystal giving access to the Light, one of whose roles is the space/state between lives, is mostly correct, but it doesn't explain the precise use

[hushed steeple]

Well basicly, the edan diamond is a way bigger and more advanced version of the blue crystals that are the basis for all the magitech in sky.
Think lightbolb to nuclear reactor as analogy

[lyric imp]

I've been thinking abt this quite a bit and i'm not sure up to this point. All the machines we see are in a sense self-sufficient, requiring a set number of candles to work. That's whyi doubt there's 1:1 correspondence, bc we don't really see things that'd require the eden diamond to work. Instead, we see the curvy lines in the eden mural and people praying, suggesting it might have played more of a spiritual role

[hushed steeple]

Sorry, had to go do something so I couldent continue😅
Im back now

[hushed steeple]

And just a bit of clerification, the machenes are not self-suficiant, nor are they powered by candles.
Almost everything dureing the golden age of the sky kingdom worked on crystals
Practicly EVERYTHING

There are deffinetly many things that dont use crystals, useing prear, spells, manipulating the light and the curent of energy in an area useing gates and bells. but thats more an art and conected with the old ways, while tech is entirely crystal based

[nimble ingot]

Something that may be important to take note of.
Skykid candles do not carry ordinary flames.
These flames are what embodies the skykid's livelihood. One may deduce it is a holy flame given the skykid's divine origin (they came from stars).

Should a skykid's flame be snuffed out. Their bodies would turn to stone and shatter in moments.

[hushed steeple]

Very well said☺️ ( exect the shatering part at the end😅, Im preaty shure we end up as statues like in edan and the spirits)

I always see light as acting as boath a food, lifeforce, sorce of power and curency in sky sociaty.

Its kinda like in anchant eguipt, where the curency was wheat and barley. You could exchange that for goods and services and other foods like money, but also use it to make bread and bear, which is what most peasents and " interns" eat at the time

In sky, one can acumulate surpluss light within them, and manifeat them in the for of candles, or spend them to perform spells and other such things

[sharp lichen]

I agree, it’s why there are multiple red candles scattered across the realms. It’s both a good source and a money storage

It’s worth nothing that Sky’s currency/economic system was probably drastically different from ours

[nimble ingot]

We do.

In any realm outside of Eden however, the skykid turns into a statue and shortly after shatters. The game would send you back home, where you are placed in a dark room with a lone winged light waiting to be collected.
That winged light is actually the extra winged light you collect each time you are reborn from Eden. Once you collect your light, the game places you back in home proper and you can continue your Journey, without the wing buffs though sadly (you have to go to Eden to recalim them in Orbit).

I had done this experiment a year ago, though am confident it is still the case.

[sharp lichen]

I believe this mural doesn’t show the beam of light being created, but instead being established and found by the Chosen One. Because in the switch trailer, we see an uninhabited Eden that doesn’t have the beam

[hushed steeple]

Oh, well my mistake then😅
Alologies, I've never seen what happenes when you loose all your wing lighs, even on youtoobe

Ps, what did you think of my eguiption food curency theory😅

[spiral vault]

I threw Forest Elder away

[hushed steeple]

Also, one thing I forgot to say😅
Candles arent the energy sorce for the machenes. You just use them to triger and operate the machene, like a pilot light.
The crystal itself is created useing a large amout of light thats put into it, which is where the energy comes from

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There is a lot more I can say about the history of the cryatals, how they work, how there made, how there production evolved, and how its all conected with the edan candle, but its gonna take way too much time and Im gonna have to go to bed soon😅

I'll make a post about it tomorrow

[nimble ingot]

I would say trading goods would be quite possible for various reasons.

1- Most civilisations (both fantasy and real life) take part in trades for goods and/or services. For instance, one nation may produce a lot of lumber, which they trade some away for food that comes from another nation that would like to use lumber for building; and so on.
2- The different realms in Sky seemingly do follow a theme that each realm specialises in. Day has plenty of jars that presumably store light or food/drink. Forest has good amount of trees to farm for lumber. Valley hosts grand races and concerts (entertainment counts as a commodity in certain situations). Wasteland supplies military support; and Vault seemingly archives knowledge/memories.
3- The latest season does enforce what season of Aurora hinted at the ancestors mining darkstone. Which is a valuable resource for the ancestors. Even in Abyss, we see the mineral mined and presumably refined in the realms.

While we dont see fields of produce or lifestock being traded in the game. One can certainly hypothesise on that as a theory.
Even as a fan theory, that idea does hold some merit and can be explored.

[hushed steeple]

An exalant observation.
The thing anout the reams haveing there specialization is something I keep wanting to make a post on, but keep putting it off😅

I will add that dailight are main harvesters and exporters of light, forest are also craftsman and builders, valley has artists, musitions, sport stars, and turism, and voult is main developer of new tech, light science , and archevists of all history

[hushed steeple]

Also, about fealds and livestok
In daylight we do see memory of ancrsters harvesting light, basicly concentrating the free light energy that exists in the armosphere and that radiates from migrating creatures into lumps of light that they store in jars useing special staffs.

So thats direct in game comformation of sky version of farming.
And I have to imagine there were other ways they did this that we dont see

[nimble ingot]

Careful, Robbie.

Please take care with your wording.
The server is family-friendly oriented.

[nimble ingot]

Agreed. The laughing spirit shows them gathering light with a firework staff. Perhaps the staff skykids know and use had a different use for the ancestors.

We even see another set of staffs in the hermit's cave.

The lights are also seen used, stored and collected in the Wastland (by the shipwreck/crab field, and the forgotten ark). As well as the Vault with the star collector in season of the little prince.

[shut crow]

I know, sorry. I thought that censoring myself would work.

[nimble ingot]

No worries.
I am not a mod, though understand with the choice words. 👍

[hushed steeple]

Absolutly
Light harveating would probably been dont all across the kingdom in different amouts, depending on how much natural sorce there is in a given region

Dailight was pribably the richest in ambiant light, and had the most diveloped infrastructure and culture to harvest it, makeing light jars there primary export to all the other realms

[nimble ingot]

Meta-theory/thought.

I wonder if the season of Enchantment is making a reference with the area called the Forgotten Ark.

There were supposedly story lines in the concept art that has since changed/scrapped when they reach the live game.
Namely a concept of the ancestors boarding a massive flying boat called the Ark to Eden in order to survive the Darkness that supposedly would wipe out all civilisation in the realms.

I would find it funny and clever if the devs were subtly telling lore fans of the game that they possibly scrapped that idea for the main story line in the game, while still using the idea as part of the theme in the season.

[hushed steeple]

Interestingly enough, the first area inside the walls of forest is a harbor for boats, and posibly a area of trade where light was unloaded and sent to forest kingdon and its factory

[hushed steeple]

Yup, thats exactly what happened😅
Its an open secret by this point that a lot of the seasons are places where they inplimant and rework scraped ideas from the initial lounch of the game

[nimble ingot]

Fun fact, there was once a time where the Pout Porter's memory was about them trying to lift a boat off the ground. But they couldn't because the boat was stuck (or out of power).

Either case, it is possible the rain could have drained the boats of light, and hence they flew their boats in the cloud tunnels and underground.

[hushed steeple]

Interesting🤔

Well, thats all the time I have 😅
Goodnight everyone

[nimble ingot]

Rest well, Viksa

[lyric imp]

That's why i said in a sense self-sufficient and pointed out that they require certain number of candles to work. Sometimes our candles are enough, but e.g. bells in prairie need sets of white candles that we light so that they can power the bells.
Either way, my point was that darkstone machinery wasn't about complex circuits and powerlines, but about singular energy sources for every major component, which still begs the question what would be the role of such a reactor

[hushed steeple]

thats what i am going to do (if they get online)

[lyric imp]

In terms of gates and bells, i've been thinking about it. I suspect some components don't have visible crystals, but e.g. forest gates have internal circuitry that leads to golden gears, while bells' circuits start at the white candles or at the core of the construction

[lyric imp]

As far as i can tell activated darkstone creates something very similar to magnetic field, but rotates gold, and does so relative to a certain axis. See bells, 8-player door, refinery shrine activation thingy, and the rings in citadel. I suspect the circles beneath them are filled with darkstone, since there's blue in the cracks. There is no colour blue anywhere else in citadel, except for 1 set of bricks next to the largest circle

[lyric imp]

I suspect crystals, while are charged with light, don't acr as a battery, and more like a catalyst. Hence, we don't seem to encounter discharged power diamods whose energy has ran out

[nimble ingot]

Interestingly, we do.

There are a handful of places you find discharged dark stone.
You find a small handful of them in the treehouse in Forest brook (it appears that the assembly group, or whoever lives there, were taking them out of the door mechanisms. Or putting them in?), and some can be found as paper weights in season of Abyss (on the ship, holding the map down. These are found by the Abyss crew and skykid from scavanging the sunken parts of the island).

[lyric imp]

You're right. Not sure what to make of this now. I kind of expected, well, most of them to be discharged due to the immense amount of time that has passed since the ancestors' times until the skykid gameplay

[nimble ingot]

Like batteries, they eventually run out of power.
It is inevitable, unless you find a way to charge them up still.

I would also assume why most of these darkstone creations work is becuase of sunlight charging them, or creatures, or clouds (provided that is a lore thing and not a convenient mechanic. Then again, there may be a scientific reason to clouds being able to refract and "store" light), and skykids.

[sharp lichen]

CW IS BACK BABY

[hushed steeple]

well.. i guess i will never do the adaptation,

back to golden wastelad ig o

Byeee

[deep osprey]

Is there any connection between the nightbird and rhythm bird because looking at this...

(image of the nightbird model oob in the hill next to the monk spirit)

[hushed steeple]

Not as far as I’m aware.

[nimble ingot]

I would love it if there were.

Though would also love it if the elder bird (Rhythm bird) also appears in the game and stays

Interesting note, for the mantas.
Day mantas and Night mantas look very different.
With the night ones (memories) being translucent.

Wherease for the night bird, the golden markings set them apart from the birds we have seen in the game so far.

[hushed steeple]

Night mantas aren’t actual mantas. From what I’ve seen they appear to be a conglomeration of memories or something given shape.

Also, the flight bird accessory has gold too, same with light whisperer’s bird cape! Meaning there are likely many birds with gold accents, they simply aren’t as common.

[empty belfry]

Is there any actual explanation as to why sky kids grow crystals when grey sometimes?

[nimble ingot]

Darkness takes hold and tries to grow in the weaks spots of the skykids.
But thankfully, their lights stabilize and the crystals get burned off.
Especially when the skykid has a lightsource on han.ld.

[subtle kindle]

Rhythm bird...? What is that??

[nimble ingot]

This magical beast.

[fierce adder]

Did vault elder and vault spirits knew about what will happen to them? Because they saved spirits memories in vault of knowledge

[minor frigate]

Has anyone here developed a theory where the krills are actually mechs? If not I’d like to be the one to do that

[storm lava]

Just casually reading some of the lore posts in here. I always thought night mantas were ghost mantas. That's what my friends and I call them anyway. And to get that manta call in the vault, you light the candles of those bones and then a ghosty manta pops out. Also the giant translucent whale in the upper vault is near some giant whale bones too. So like, maybe the bones store their memories and then form into a ghost after they have passed??

[storm lava]

I have no idea but sounds cool! They do sound very mechanical. Would there be someone or something inside them controlling the mech suit??

[minor frigate]

I think it’s ai generated/j

I’ll work on it when I got time

[fierce adder]

I think krills Actually used to be friendly they just lost their mind after the fall

[storm lava]

What if crabs are in the krill mech?? Hehe

[fierce adder]

Actually crabs fear krills if I’m not wrong, cuz I’ve seen that whenever krill blue light spots them they all pretend to be rocks

[storm lava]

Oh wow! I never noticed that. That's a cool detail!!

[icy wing]

Agreed

[native galleon]

They presumably knew what would happen to them after they died, since the existence of spirits and ascending to the Light were common knowledge. I don’t think they knew what would happen to the kingdom as a whole in the future though, from what we can tell the Vault is for preserving memories and knowledge from the past.

[fierce adder]

Ooh thanks

[hushed steeple]

I had a dream matpat discovered Sky sometime after project aviary was finished……
O_O
….lol……
||Doesn’t give me a great feeling honestly||

[hushed steeple]

Thing is, those bones have too big of spines to fit with mantas, and the big bones are blue with stars, so it’s debatable if they’re even real or more like the trees in vault.
Also, we see the memories of the remembrance spirits turn into these mantas, and with the spirit’s name from whom we get the call from being Memory Whisperer it’s quite convincing that these are just ancestor memories.
I’m not even going to get started on the tiny details.

One other thing to note is that we see an actual spirit manta during Season of Abyss, which looks nothing like memory mantas.

[hushed steeple]

Here is the thing.
Most of the machenes in sky are inactive the vast majority of time, and we need to give it a jumpstart with our own light every time. After that when we leave, the machenes shut down again and need to be reactivated again.

So at the start these things are gonna last waaaaaay longer then they would have in the old days

[sharp lichen]

Perhaps later on they did, but they might have been so isolated that they didn’t know the full effects of the darkness

[fierce adder]

Yeah it was the only realm that wasn’t really damaged by darkness, specially the starlight desert that was close to the mountain, which is concerning

[viral bay]

Howdy yall

Does electricity exist in Sky?

[sharp lichen]

In the form of power diamonds, yes

[nimble ingot]

Theory of the cave under the forest.
As Aurora's quest suggests, the caves was once an flooded ravine or cavern.

Since the main game cersion has clouds at the bottom; these clouds could act as a gameplay barrier for players to not get trapped down there.

As for the cloud tunner to the windpaths, I'd deduce that to be a flooded tunnel or an undergoround river that leads elsewhere.

Frankly about the wind paths, some of them could have been air currents thatv were not shrouded by thick clouds. Some could have been open air space with a breeze acting as a wind path, and others could have been tunnels (depending on the surrounding terrain).

I wonder though what are clouds in terms of sky logic
As these act much differently to real life clouds.

Perhaps they are a magical force of nature intend on shrouding certain areas from the skykids. As these clouds repel skykids, but not any other creature in sky (for the ancestors, that is up for debate as we hardly see them acknowledge clouds).

[nimble ingot]

As lightning and/or diamond power (that Baud answered), yes.

[tardy stirrup]

I don’t understand the plot of going into the sun at the end of the game, does anyone got any lore for that?

[sharp lichen]

When you first enter Eden, it says “beyond the storm, The Light awaits”

You, and all the spirits you’ve rescued, have to go to Orbit, the final area of the game. It might look like the sun, but it’s also a doorway to the origin of all light. It’s, in a way, an afterlife

Before the spirits died, they would routinely travel here and back

[tardy stirrup]

Thank you!

[hushed steeple]

I dont think anybody could have predicted the full extent of the comeing darkness

Voult elder deffinetly suspected, and dureing the days of the great war the kingdom was fully devoted to cataloging as much of the history of sky as possible, while gradually growing more isolated and shut off from the rest of the kingdoms.

Despite that, it opened its dores to refugies and those who wanted to escape, like we see in season of rememberence.

I imagine the plan at the end was that, if worse comes to worse, the entire realm would be sealed (like a voult😅) with everyone inside, and they would wait out the entire devestation until it was safe to come out, ready to start over

UNFORTUNATLY😔😔😔

The devestation was way beyond what even the Voult Elder could imagine, lasting for decades ( posibly even centurys)

The Voult was sucessfull in saveing itsslf from the spread of darkness, and was able to protect the knowlige and history of the old kingdom
But for the people inside, it was too little to late,
and in the end, it become there tumb

[little iris]

What do you guys think the giant red crystal is for during eden where you give light to the statues? We also see it in the shard memories too. I think it was a very corrupted power diamond or smth let me know!

[hushed steeple]

Thats exactly what it is

[little iris]

Oh wow I predicted right! But why is it so big? And why did the eden king want such a large power diamond

[hushed steeple]

The detales are unknown, and at the moment open to interpretation

The diamond was the ultimate pinicle of knowlige, art and craft of old kingdom, so for one thing, they might have done it to show that they can😅

Beyond that, there are many reasons and interpretations

1 The ultimate powersorce to run the whole kingom and slow down the devestation of nature that the factorys were cousing
2 A powersorce that would let the king win the war and gain total dominance
3 Becomeing a living god
4 Braking the cycle of death and reincarnation and gaining imortality and power
..........
There are probably other interpretations but dodnt come to mind right now

[native galleon]

ultimate power source for the kingdom seems the most likely (to me at least), not necessarily to win the war but to end the scarcity of light power that caused it

[fierce adder]

In my theory they probably wanted to be one of the strongest beings, he wanted more power and dominance, he wanted to have a hand on everything and rule everything by themselves. They were already strong enough but they felt greedy to gain more power which resulted a fight between them and the elders and rhey destroyed that diamond to show that they are powerful enough

Again this is my own theory and story

[hushed steeple]

This is exactly why I made a list insted of saying my personal opinion😅

There isnt enough evidence to definetively say what the exact motivation ( or motivations) were, so thats entirely left to interpretation

[hushed steeple]

At most we do know the results and fallout that said motivations would bring about

-1 Its competion was belived to allow acess of untold power, which would ( insert reason/couse here)

-2 Its construction was a huge undertakeing that took many years, and required the construction of a gigantic industrial comlplex in edan ( secund area)

-3 Consteuction begine eather dureing or some time before the begining of the war

-4 The diamond was purpusly build on the spot of the light beem to tap into its energy and conection to "The Light"

-5 Suport for its construction was not universal, with many ancesters who would have oposed or not suport it, as well as posibly a few of the Elders

-6 Voult elder was deffinetly one of the detractors ( and posibly isle elder too ), as she had growing suspician that things wont turn out right. She prepeared her kingdom for eventual desaster, accelaratin the documentation of history and knowglige as well as slowly over time isolating it from the rest of the kingdom.

-7 Wether it hapent soon after it was activated, or after a long time, the diamond grew corupt and unstabe, and eventually......
KABOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!

-8 This singular moment effectively killed the old civilization.
-A raging storm sweaped through the continent
-Eruptions of shards were comanplace
-Darkness and dark creatures spread throughout the land

-9Though the ancesters were not all wiped out at once, all that survived the initial desaster would eventually die out sooner or later becouse of dark creatures, natural desasters, or the deplition of resorses that the end of civilization brough.

-10 The storm and darkness were way worse at the start of the "Storm era" , and over the many years that followed things would calm down to the point we see dureing the first comeing of the sky kids ( basicly live lounch)

Everything else is fair game and compleatly up to personal interpretation😅

[icy wing]

One thing, isn't there a spirit memory where some ancestors find a sky kid? That's the come here emote iirc

[frigid tinsel]

Yup, Ushering Stargazer’s spirit memories

[hushed steeple]

ALASDAIR I FINALLY SEE YOU

ok sorry for the caps

So, i was wondering, since i can't access forgottenliv's fanfic abt monopoly, (and therefor cant adapt it to sky)

can i adapt your's to sky? (the one abt the twins?)

its ok if not

please?

[raw moon]

If anyone can answer this ty why do we fall in home when we start out as moths, because we (the player) haven't gone to Eden yet, we're a fresh skykid, why don't we land in isle of dawn. We see a spirit memory of a child landing there. After we go to Eden it makes sense we fall in home, does it suggest that our new skykid/account has gone to Eden before?

[lusty merlin]

i sadly dont have a straight answer, BUT what's super interesting that if you make a new account, you get moth exclusive dialogue stating we "return"

you also have this quip from the steam profile

this could give some reason why we see eden in the intro , cuz maybe we have been through this before, yet how or why i got no clue since there's to little info to think of the reason why. Really intersting to think about tho

[pastel brook]

A "moth" is a new player. They have brown wings, they flap around uncontrollably, and they are drawn to flame!

[hushed steeple]

(Why couldent I just say "start of the game" and not derail my whole post😅)

That part is kinda uncurtain given all the lore changes.
What the spirit memory shows is the first "Child of light", but what the exact conection between that and sky kids as we know it is kinda up for debate at this point.

It is inportant to know that our souls are in fact stars, as so are the children of light, while the ancesters are said to be given "life by starlight", so that all kinda conected yet manifest in different ways

[wheat mist]

Does anyone know what the fine print says?

[nova meadow]

I recall there was a Twitter thread with this stuff? But I’m not 100% sure

[jaunty cove]

Guys is the news saying that tgc will bring back Aurora limited ipas legit? Because it seems so unfair wth

[frigid tinsel]

Unfortunately thetext isn’t legible but you can find some of the images in links to concept art in the pins

[earnest briar]

They were already IAPs before during Season of Aurora, and the prices won't change from then. Also how and why is it unfair? Isn't them coming back a good thing?

[pastel brook]

all my krills, greeting me here as a friend I'm home, waiting for time to let go...

[trim belfry]

Ok lore chat... let's talk about... crystals (diamonds) in sky... IT'S IMPORTANT SO LISTEN
We have like 3 or 2 basics kind for now ...
At the beginning let's talk about raw crystals
First ...the red one... it's stealing our light like you know (maybe it became like that because the darkness covered it)
Second...the crystals that appeared this season... which light up when we get close to it...it do nothing else...gave no light and steal no light too ...

We have now...the diamond in the doors and those that elders have...it believed that elders stole light creatures light by using it...it could be made of the second crystal by making a modification on it to make it absorbs the light
But...it could be different? Like something darker...
I used to say that our skykids bodies is made of clay...but it could be more than only clay... whenever we lose light...we get blue crystals in our bodies...
Isn't that really similar to the diamonds?
It's blue usually...when we light it it turns yellow(and recharge us)... our bodies get blue crystals when lose light ...and turn back into skykids with light when we have our lights back...so what's your thoughts about that?

Also...the crystals cave in the seasonal area look a bit similar to the cave in eden

[sharp lichen]

I think the blue crystals that grow on the Skykid are just a natural phenomenon that happens when we lose our light

[cobalt palm]

Dumb meme, but the double meaning made me think of you all

[pastel brook]

When we reincarnate after Eden, are we a new person or the same?

[queen forum]

We keep the cosmetics and winged from precious TS’s after Eden, so definitely the same.

Lol, imagine losing all your clothes and stuff after each Eden run.

[eternal zephyr]

Is there a lore reason vault isnt listed on poster in the office?

[lusty merlin]

Nah I wouldn’t say so, the posters look to be concept designs or environmental studies so maybe vaults wasn’t made before then/ or went through a differnt concept stage.

Office in general is agreed to be a non canon area. So the stuff that is in there are more of Easter eggs at best than actual stuff that would give more lore to the story

[eternal zephyr]

I wish I could actually read the poster but small text is waaay to blury on PS4

[native galleon]

…it is what spoiled eden for me tho bahahahah

[cobalt palm]

You went to the office before Eden? Brave

[sharp lichen]

How is that even possible without an Uber

[sharp lichen]

I believe the images in the poster can be found somewhere in the pins

[nimble ingot]

There is miraculously a user here (aqua. @willow shoal) that have found the art for it.
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[eternal zephyr]

Wow, thanks

Im gonna check it out later 🙂

[nimble ingot]

All that I could hypothesise is the devs were selective with what ro show on that image asset. Either due to space and resolution issues, or how the concept art for that real (as far as I had seen) were outdated cityscape concepts, and some refinded art that shows the elder prophecising about the King in Eden.

So, my speculation lies with A) it was not interesting to add in. B) space and resolution issues. C) it had the King and the devs are tightlipped about thay chatacter in the game.

[eternal zephyr]

Cityscape?
Sorry, havent looked too much into role since I started playing when Sky released on PS4 last year.

Was the king cut from the games story or are they tightlipped about him cause they might be saving it for the story one day, do you think we could eventually learn more about him one day?

[nimble ingot]

As far I know.
The King "cannot be saved anymore" which means the concept of them in Eden and Skykids trying to save them was scrapped.

Which made one wonder if the King was removed from the whole game.
Aparantky not given we do get references to the king still. Even in the latest seasons give hints on theking in some way (prophecy, enchantment, Shattering and Aurora being a few examples).

I believe the King, may vome back some day. But it would likely be a major event the devs are slowly building up towarss with these small lore beans.

[eternal zephyr]

Maybe they are saving the king for when one day eventually the game ends

Every online game will get shut down one day, thats just the unfortunate reality so having some closure story for the end is not a bad idea

[urban elk]

What’s the lord behind these little flowers. I’m not into lore at all. I couldn’t even really tell you the main story but I noticed these flowers aren’t common and they recharge you? They’re in prince? The 8 door and one in peaks? So is there anything about them 🙂 thank you

[eternal zephyr]

btw, are there some good lore resources, explanations, details and recaps as I really want to get into it

Its just that it feels like a rabbit hole and I need somewhere to start lol

[nimble ingot]

I am visually driven. So would suggest looking at Tom Zhao's work. And other artists that did work for TGC.

Such as Purple Almonds, Ashley Coad, Jose Luis Vaello and even Twitter (the 7 days of Sky series is on there somewhere)

[sharp lichen]

As Raider has stated, the devs have stated that the king cannot be saved. Meaning that we won’t see them in person in the game, but we’ll get clues about their lifestyle or in other media, such as the Sky Animation Project.

However, I don’t think they’re saving it when the game ends. I think they’ll drop little tidbits of it sometimes. Most live services games end not with a bang, but when they run out of money and players. Then, an “ending season” would be useless, as they wouldn’t have the resources to create the season nor the players to experience it.

[sharp lichen]

The pinned messages are really good for official canon art of the game. This document can also help: https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

[eternal zephyr]

Thanks, I usually perfer either a video explanation or detaild explained in text form but visual gonna be fine for now 🙂

[eternal zephyr]

I know it is unlikely for the game to end with some sort of ending season but its also not impossible, for example there was a Kingdom Hearts UX (mobile online only game) and when that was annoucned to be shutting down they actually finished the story and gave us very interesting ending to the games story so while unlikely it could happen in Sky too

[eternal zephyr]

Thanks, im gonna check it out later

[native galleon]

i got lost in vault during days of feast

literally went “ooh what’s that thing in the wall” and

[sharp lichen]

I’m just thinking of what reasons Sky would shut down. It’s a game built on long-standing social relations, imagine the backlash if they were taken away?

[frigid tinsel]

During development, there was a point where the Vault of Knowledge didn’t exist. That timeline in the Office is from that point

[frigid tinsel]

Nobody can read the small text — it’s blurry and indecipherable regardless of what device you’re using

[eternal zephyr]

One day it will, its unfor6anate reality of online games

[eternal zephyr]

Cool

[leaden field]

Is the valley of triumph warm or cold? It looks warm but also has ice so idk 😭

[scenic siren]

Cold I think, or the ice rink would melt

[sharp lichen]

Very cold, everything is frozen

[scenic siren]

Anyone think the game's fantasy planet is small and gravity on it is weak? Since huge animals can fly easily and crabs fall slow when you drop them.

[austere pawn]

Did you noticed that AURORA's spirit's capes have wings-like fur? Are the AURORA Season's spirits her "angels"? If we go with Demi-Goddess of Light Aurora?

[desert bobcat]

is it allowed to talk about skyverses and theories inside them here?

[lusty merlin]

I honestly think it’s just a stylistic choice. ii I recall in an interview aurora was invested with some decisions for the season. Guessing like what it could be and how it would ect , so I assume she could’ve brought the idea of the capes having the feather theme to them

[lusty merlin]

Yeah theory talk is plenty welcome, if it’s more of a head canon I would make that clear.
Since a lot of the time many don’t, and it gets confusing thinking there’s a reason in game for what they’re head canon is and all

[desert bobcat]

oh, ok, let me bring up my voidkids, can i bring up a more gameplay feature too?

i have more of a playable version of my skyverse than a story one, as i dont have any sky oc's yet

void kids are the opposit of skykids, after eden you would be able to choose between a dark wing kid or a wing light kid(you cant choose before first eden, you always start as skykid)

as voidkids you would have a little dark aura(like shards or water in gw)

and skykids would have a little light aura only present for voidkids(would be like any light source)

staying too close between both they would dmg each other, drainign their light and darkness

also skykids cant interact(chat) with voidkids since both have different frequencies(calls)

unless befriended(cant chat on chat tables or benches)

also, unlit skykids are the same, but voidkids are kinda glowy(more than usual) and have to be unglimmered by other voidkids

we would say unlit skykids and glimmering voidkids are the same but on opposit poles of the spectrum

also, big mantas to voidkids would work kinda like krills to skykids, would have a light(only visible by void kids) and then attack in a distance attack manner(you can try dodge the attack, but is kinda fast)

manaties would work similar to krabs

voidkids are not targeted by both krills or krabs, but will not be able to do shard events(at least not the ones skykids can do, as voidkids cant get candles of any type)

voidkids have their own cosmetics and currencies(hearts remain the same)

so after eden and becoming a voidkid you would become a dark moth again

seasonal spirits would give 2 version of their cosmetics for both skykids and voidkids

seasonal currencies, tickets and hearts are universal currency

candles and darkstones are currencies for each
being candles for skykids and darkstones for voidkids

it would be black darkstones and red darkstones, being the equivalent to candles and AC

this is all i have by now

Would love some help giving life to this please

and in this, i would state again that both skykids and voidkids(dark kids) cant interact between each other as their calls are not hearable between skykids and voidkids

any thoughts on all this?

[lusty merlin]

I think it’s solid! It’s your verse so you can choose however you wanna go with it

[desert bobcat]

i would like some ideas for the cosmetics, or how this would work, as i dont know how voidkids would get currency and cosmetics yet, also i would like some help coming up with ideas for OC inside this skyverse

thinking about it, i think voidkids wouldnt have any capes, as flight is only for the light bearers

without light a skykid cant fly, and wingless skykids dont have capes

[lusty merlin]

I think maybe the cosmetics could be like the dark plant ones from shattering? Lots of cool and dark colors, maybe like they look more of a shadow and all

[desert bobcat]

im thinking more of making shattering cosmetics the opposite for voidkids, but idk how to draw, so i would need help with it

[lusty merlin]

Well I’m sure there would be folks to help

Maybe currency could be like looking through dark water, or finding a new type of darkness in less lit areas that would give essence of darkness

[desert bobcat]

more like plant cosmetics being the default vibe of voidkids, and there would not be any or almost any light cosmetic(doesnt mean they dont have white cosmetics, but not light themed)

im feeling more of a shard vibe for currencies

and voidkids hold little darkstones as skykids hold candles

[lusty merlin]

Could be a dull white, like vault elders headscarf ult? It’s a noticeably darker shade of white compared to rest of the ults because it’s a piece of fabric, and not well, light like the other ults

[desert bobcat]

also, voidkids are kinda glowy, but with pitch black eyes

and when "unlit" they glimmer more

being glimmering voidkids

other voidkids need to use their darkstones to shut that glimmer off

as skykids lit unlit skykids

(im listening to melanie martinez now, maybe it can give ideas?, idk, i enjoy her music)

[lusty merlin]

Oo yeah that would be nice

[desert bobcat]

is the skykid body just a carcass?

if that's the case wouldnt it mean it can be beared by both darkness and light?

[lusty merlin]

Depends, I sense them more of shells that the knee light (the blue spark) hosts

[desert bobcat]

also, if voidkids cant fly and dont have capes, what would they have? how could they move through the sky world?

[lusty merlin]

Maybe, it Could also be more of a durability defence mechanism. We can detach our light by force or willingly and still be alive for awhile, meanwhile light creatures like the manta that the krill attacks just doesn’t

Cuz our main goal is to ascend and help free the statues, which wouldn’t be possible if we couldn’t detach our light

[desert bobcat]

if we collect winged lights, wouldnt it mean we collect death skids?

if that's the case, wouldnt it mean we have many hosts on the same body?

(167 in my case)

[lusty merlin]

I remember there was this idea of them being more of memories since it’s implied ingame this isint out first time. Moth exclusive dialogue states we returned

[desert bobcat]

what if the places we find the WLs where an important place for the skids?

as they enjoyed that place with their friends

what if every skykid we find uppon isnt more of another version of ourselves?

what if skykids(maybe skykid in singular) are just refractions of light of a single being which isnt here anymore?

like a branched being, much as vidyhadharas in starrail as they reborn when they die, but is not the same person

[lusty merlin]

That would be nice , though sadly we can only speculate

[lusty merlin]

I personally Like to think skykids are their own person from the start (that’s just me though)

[desert bobcat]

im thinking more of the first skykid's light branching in many beings,

as the first skykid wanted to help everyone but couldnt by themselves

(most as finn's mom in adventure time, she multiplied herself in a digital way to help everyone)

[lusty merlin]

Oo ya i can get that! Though I’ll personally stick to the each skykid are their own person thing for me

[desert bobcat]

they are themselves, but at first they are like a part of the first skykid, every skykid would be a part of the personality of that skykid

but in different states of mind, different starting points, and at the end they would every skykid be their own skid

as they develop their own interest and personalities

all moths know how to walk, run jump from the start, and kinda fly even when they just got their wings

and that may be cause of the first skykid learned those traits by themselves

and after ascending they decided to share that with every part of themselve which is missing at that moment

[lusty merlin]

That’s definitely a cool way to see them

[desert bobcat]

what if every wl is a part missing from the first skykid?

[lusty merlin]

Could definitely think that, I’m just a firm likes of them being memories in a way

[desert bobcat]

they started with many wings, but at some point those memories vanished, and made that skykid dull

until it went to eden and ascended

and again, decided to fracture itself to help every spirit possible which they couldnt help

im just trying to think about it as a hard choice the megabird made them choose

[lusty merlin]

It could’ve been their own choice I feel, from what we see ingame megabird just seems to be more of knowing presence than an active one that would interact with us

[desert bobcat]

maybe not us, but their first creation?

as the megabird made them to retunr every peace of light to the eternal cycle

but skykid as a little moth got distracted with everything until it stumbled into the eden and ascended

maybe got reborn some times until it chose to split as they couldnt do it by themselves

[lusty merlin]

Maybe, it’s a really neat idea I like it, I just personally can’t see it for me

[desert bobcat]

as you said is an every person thing, and as i came up with it i can see it posible

at some point megabird couldnt bare with the "children"/"Descendants" of the first skykid as they where too many and decided to just watch

as they are too many, too many thing can happen and she(i will take the female godess trait as at the start of civilization there was godesses as women could bear life and creat more life)

she will by then just watch everything goes well and no skykid gets corrupted as krills are

if it got to happen she will just try to make light creatures move that skykid/moth skykid from that path

as she is a high goddess only made of light as i see it, she cant just come down and help us, or stop us from make something wrong

megabird doesnt seem to have a physical body, as aurora as a demigoddess seems to have

[lusty merlin]

Oo i see

Have to go now but goodluck on your skyverse! I’m sure you’ll figure out more to how your voidkidw would work

[desert bobcat]

thanks, have a great day/night tac

[marble flume]

Nani is eden king

[mossy barn]

I just found something in a shard memory I noticed just now after a year of season of shattering

the star ontop of the shard looks familiar

why is lore so tasty?

[fierce adder]

I was wondering why the only place that you can find cosmic mantas is vault
I mean a spirit creature like jellies be find in multiple realms but not the cosmic mantas

[soft hamlet]

that is majestic holy

[exotic burrow]

hello i was trying to understand the lore of the game can somone tell me?

[dreamy saddle]

Some of my own pics

[dreamy saddle]

Here are some documents I found helpful

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-SOY_5WrhQ2ftVZEM9VMBsz92-n_53kBzQoHKmY2-24/edit

https://docs.google.com/document/d/10ZWJRGiJSrIXgDvJ4pST61moZbVB_hBExUjOaF-pmOE/edit

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qCXl82o4VoEmQDL2eBRlw7u7dRHEMMplplRaUvyGTWg/edit

Obv sky doesn’t have much confirmed lore and this should all be taken loosely but there is plenty to use to theorize!

[exotic burrow]

Thank you!

[dreamy saddle]

No problem!! I also recommend looking at the concept artists website https://www.tomzhao.com/sky-all

[jovial tartan]

lore

[wet totem]

I was trying to find this link for awhile 🙏

[earnest briar]

Pop rock bather 🫵

[sharp lichen]

A while ago, we actually tried to calculate the gravity of the Sky world using napkin math. We got the (probably wrong) answer of the gravity being 987 times weaker than earth

[cobalt palm]

That or crabs have really high air resistance for some reason, maybe they're hollow inside

We also have a name for those unnamed crab like stones we often find oob.
Apparently they're called "origin sheep"

[hushed steeple]

Actually i did not ran eden due tothis fear in my first 5 weks xd

[brazen swallow]

Saaaame

Krills used to be scary but now I think they’re cute :3 everything gets better with experience

[soft timber]

Origin Sheep our beloved little cuties

[tropic zodiac]

I think the movie trailer reveals uncorrupted version of the krills Ever wonder why krills are called "dark" dragons? Because they used to be light dragons! Or at least, they probably went by just "dragons" before the corruption even happened.
It's very obvious to me that these two creatures are the same, because theyre very big and the only creatures with light bulb for a head/face! And it's very possible that corruption causes big changes to one's body, referring to old king concepts where his body changes during the storm!

Their corruption could've involved dark stones, as it's possible they were used for transportation just like how they transported ancestors from place to place in the movie trailer, since they don't need light to be able to fly unlike the boats. That being said, since dark water and dark plants are considered pollution, then dark stone could be considered some sort of pollution too, because overall it brought the sky kingdom to ruins, and just like that it the dragons could have been affected by contact with the dark stones. What makes me believe that more are the murals where krills are shown to be existing while ancestors were still alive, so perhaps all their dragons ended up corrupted and they ended up using even more dark stone to power up their boats? Either that or their corruption happened after the whole outbreak... that doesn't matter though! I'm here to prove these two creatures are the same!

[sharp lichen]

Oob lore

[sharp lichen]

I think the actual reason was that crabs falling is already rare, and so they just used a fixed falling speed to not have any complex gravity shenanigans

[soft timber]

This is a nice theory as they are both the only big creatures to have some connection to the otherwise unseen large light creatures of roughly the same size (I also love the idea of a dark dragon being held like a rodent in the left picture)

[sharp lichen]

Given how common boats seem to be in the Sky world (season of flight and dreams, multiple boat-related spirits), I think they were used drastically more than the dragon mounts. After all, what’s easier to ride: a simple, mass produced vehicle, or a mount you have to tame and attach ropes and stuff on to. The dragon mounts were probably corrupted/discarded after a while, due to the efficiency of boats, leading to the krill

[soft timber]

The Krill yearns to be ridden and bonded by the Skykids lol

[sharp lichen]

Truly a generational bonding experience. First, being ridden by the ancestors, and then the skykids

[cobalt palm]

The early/more naturalistic boats (wind paths, I. E. Not using darkstone tech) had to be pulled by flying creatures, so having a caravan on top of a larger creature rather than being pulled behind makes sense too

[hushed steeple]

ThAtS a ME

[nimble ingot]

This is a well structured theory with great visual illustrations. 👏
This is the lore in the chat that I love. ❤️

I very much agree with the notion that if we can have dark dragons, then there would be a possibility of there being light dragons.

Krill have 9 eyes (4 small ones on top of the 'nose', 4 more below, and the nineth one is the orb that shines like a spotlight).
I have found one other creature that shares this unique trait in Sky, and that would be the eel like creature in Abyss (albeit it has only 8 eyes in a similar configuration and lacks the spotlight). It is a bit tricky to get a good shot of its face since it hardly stops moving in the Treasure reef, and not to mention its history.
In short, it was once a massive creature in Light Awaits, it was replaced by the whale during that development, and the one in Abyss is the only instance we have in the game.

Please note, I dont intend to dampen your research efforts, thought process or the theory as a whole. I had the same idea as you in the past and am glad to see another theorist come to this idea in a similar fashion. 🙂

I even considered weather it could have been a greater/elder light bird. But another creature may also be a strong candidate.

The Sky seal pups/Mantatees are a recent addition to the game's creatures and one I think may possibly be this creature for the following theory that shall be posted after this.

But again, this is a fantastic showcase of research and look forward to hearing more of your theories in the chat.

[soft timber]

Perfect creatures deserve modern solutions

[nimble ingot]

The teaser creature compared to the Sky seal pup theory.

Prefacing this a bit with the names, the creature seen riding in the Sky research trailer would aptly be called creature for all intends and purposes. In addition to the creatures we see in Sky, that were added since this year's days of nature as well as in Season of Moment's area, would be called Sky seal or Sky puppies. As they visually remind me of real life seals with their plush bodies and sun bathing behaviour.
(Why the fancy words? I'm a university art student who appreciates TGC's artistic approach in their games, and have been addictively reading and looking at concept art for a while. )

In some concept art there are drawings of the seals that would presumably be for the Sky Animation Project. Where there seems to be a story in the works of the skykid finding a young seal pup struggling to keep up because of a bad fin (See pictures with the one fin slightly malformed and smaller. Reminds me a bit of Finding Nemo ❤️ ).
The child jumps off the creature and I assume they play together and eventually fall asleep in a structure somewhere (see attached pictures).

There is a trend in Sky where creatures of varying sizes could be considered different evolutions/forms that also indicates the amount of Light/power they posses. The larger creatures typically are stronger and tend to have more complicated bodies compared to the relatively simpler bodies of their smaller counterparts.
Mantas a good example of this visual evolution with the larger ones possessing multiple pairs of wings.
The pygmies typically have 1 pair, the standards have elongated bodies with hints of a second pair of fins, the greater manta have 2 pairs, and the elder has several that run alongside the massive body.

I deduce if there were to be a larger variant of the Sky puppies, they would look something like the creature. A larger elongated body, with an extra pair of flippers.
The singular eye also helps with this connection.

[nimble ingot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KevTXLvpmVI

link to the animation project teaser with art and a animatic story board of the child escaping.

[earnest briar]

OUPPIES

[pastel brook]

Was there a wide-scale extinction of animals eons ago?

[desert bobcat]

does skybot give hints on the real canon sky lore?

[flint swan]

Here’s something I’ve been thinking about:
What exactly happened to the Golden Wasteland?
The name of “wasteland’ implies there was something there beforehand. A realm that wasn’t as dangerous or dark.
Some murals on the forgotten ark’s ship depict residents of the wasteland carrying pots identical to the ones depicted in the daylight prairie’s murals, which may further imply that the two realms had a connection.
Furthermore, the wasteland’s darkness has been seen to spread to other realms, as seen in the season of flight, where the wind paths experience a tad bit of chaos from the wasteland. What’s more is that the rainforest is a realm with way more dark factors than usual. Excessive dark plants, rain that drains your light, crabs, and even the elder is a bit sad-looking.
Perhaps the darkness that the wasteland is known for had been spread from Eden, but that begs the question: why hasn’t the vault been effected, when it’s literally next door to Eden? But, that’s a theory for another time.
I propose that when the Eden shard first erupted, it primarily effected the golden wasteland, however darkness in there was driven back to some extent, but left behind the infamous dark dragon that were originally native to Eden. What do y’all think?

[lusty merlin]

Yaya i like to think eden being so close was what caused wasteland to to wiped, I think vault is just unaffected because well, vaults are underground. Though even in starlight desert it’s similar to wasteland in terms of the sand.

Think mainly the whole war thing seen with battlefeild and aurora concert/seed of hope could be another reason why wasteland is so destroyed

[lusty merlin]

Almost all the time no, nearly all of things they say are more general tidbits that don’t really try to dig into the games story to generate discussion, or just jokes.

[tropic zodiac]

Could it then be that the seal puppies evolve into a dragon?

[nimble ingot]

Are you implying sky once had dinosaurs? 🦕 🦖 /j

[nimble ingot]

Not really.
It mostly drops lore beans fans likely already know and make jokes.

[sharp lichen]

I don’t think so, besides reciting already-popular questions

[wary saffron]

Has anyone asked about the bones in wasteland? What are they from? What creature?

[sharp lichen]

We don’t know, it might be a creature that doesn’t exist anymore

[bitter carbon]

The skull looks a lot like a turtle, maybe some kind of large turtle, and there is a turtle mask in sky

[soft timber]

Tortskull you may even say (sorry but Pokemon has been on my mind ~~and I also wanna add to the Pokemon thing where it is a ghost and dark type turtle hinted by it's name, coming from tortue, turtle, and skull ~~)

[lusty merlin]

Yaya that’s what I think the skull geologist also was too. I wonder if it’s an elder turtle like the elder mantas we see in sanctuary, since the one we have ingame has a smooth head

[hushed steeple]

is it just me or sky bot has gone more prudent than at the start (at least of when i arrived)

[nimble ingot]

Credit to Reika who does models for Sky.

[earnest briar]

That last picture of the big and tiny turtles has given me an idea for next Days of Nature so turtle eggs are buried in the sand on beaches and when they hatch they make a mad dash for the water. What if we have a little mini-game where we find Light Turtle hatchlings and help guide them into the water? Just like this year educated people on trash in the ocean and it's effects, next year could educate people on sea turtles and their habitats.

[slow jungle]

I like to think the golden wasteland was the main base of a tribe who hated darkstone, known as the golden tribe, and the land was already being polluted for years before it became the place of the final battle between those who supported darkstone and those who didn't.

Also that the pollution attracted krill, and the golden tribe killed and mistreated those krill so much and so that's why krill hate us

[earnest briar]

I mean it's a good idea, but we're not even Ancestors. We're very clearly distinct from them, so wouldn't they leave us alone? The first Krill in Wasteland attacked a Manta that wasn't doing anything, and I doubt it was mistreating the Krills. Also Krills don't just exist in Wasteland, they also exist in Eden. And they still attack us there, even though the ones in Eden probably wouldn't have been mistreated. Lastly, the blurb when opening Sky but before loading into Home says that 'The Dark Dragon (AKA Krills) is hungry to consume your light'. That doesn't sound like hatred, that just sounds like they're hungry.

It's important to take everything into account when making a theory about something, because otherwise it can end up being wildly inaccurate to the material and the information we have about it. Worst case scenario it comes off as cherrypicking evidence to make your theory sound more credible, which I don't think anyone wants happening. It is an interesting theory, but I think it could have had some more research done before sharing it.

[nimble ingot]

That would be epic on the beach in Sanctuary's main island.
Running up and down the shoreline for the tell tale calls of baby turtles.
Also, a potential challenge can be added with dark birds trying to steal the babies that skykids can scare away. Essentially, the baby is stopped in the sand as dark birds surround them. Skykid can run up to the birds and scare them off with an emote, or deep call. A bird could potentially steal a baby with picking them up. The skykid can steal the baby back and carry them to the beach to complete their journey (bonus points are given for this).
The skykids win when enough baby turtles make it to the water.
They lose if too many babies get carried away or dogpiled by dark birds.

This should be in #wishlist-and-ideas-archived tbh.
(you can take this idea, btw. I 'd be more happy to see this idea get used than hoard them. lol)

[nimble ingot]

Dark Dragons are canonically hungry for Light. They would attack any creature that has light.
This includes the ancestor's own light (which could possibly be a bug, though I have seen krills target spirit fragments in the past).

[nimble ingot]

unfun fact.
The netease version of Sky has/had baby turtles in their game during days of nature.

[earnest briar]

AUGH The littol ever. Why have we been denied them? Give us the babies TGC

[nimble ingot]

For what it is worth, this emoji I made a while back, I am giving this for free to the users here.
Feel free to use this in commemoration of the baby turtles we could have had in the water, but can carry on our shoulders.

[reef fulcrum]

I wonder if the Vault of Knowledge actually physically exists at all; or is it some sort of infinite subspace secretly hidden away in a wrinkle of spacetime between Eden and the Golden Wasteland?

I have a few supportive pieces to this, but I feel like some of what I would say might be obvious, and I will need to take some time collecting screenshots for the more... specific things that I'd like to talk about.

I think for now, I just wanted to sort of test the water, see how this kind of idea might be considered, if it's already established, or just in case there's some small detail I've overlooked that outright disproves what I'm saying.

[sharp lichen]

It’s been debated, and there are many sub-theories involved with it, including:

-Vault is inside the Eden Mountain

-Vault was created using the Purple Light from Season of Enchantment

-The lower levels of vault are real, but the upper levels aren’t.

Personally, I think that Vault is real, but there’s still evidence to the contrary

[icy wing]

A theory someone once mentioned makes sense to me: The Vault is real, but because many of the containers that stored memories broke or degraded, they started to leak out and affect the place. So now you have a mash of both memory and reality

[nimble ingot]

Interesting. Vault is known to be a dreamlike realm.

[earnest briar]

I like the idea that the Vault is physical but all the memories kept safe within it have come together, and so the Vault has become sort of like a collective waking/lucid dream shaped by the memories both in the cube thingys and the memories of those who lived in the Vault.

[reef fulcrum]

What you guys are saying makes a lot of sense, and isn't too far removed from what I kinda think.

That a physical structure is necessarily there, but it contains a lot of "information" that technically isn't. One of those things that's way bigger on the inside than the outside.

But again, I go hard on the "Photon-Based Lifeforms" idea (I mean HARD hard) so I'm going all the way with this too.

Einstein discovered and proved that the Speed of Light is constant (C) to the observer, regardless of the observer's relationship to other observers in space or time. Playing together with my brothers (on multiple screens all at once) we can really see ways in this game that this could potentially come into play for observers who may literally be particles of Light. The Vault in particular behaves very differently from other Realms, and a lot of the phenomena can easily be observed by a single person.

And that's really what a LOT of my theories come down to; what can actually be observed. This game does all kinds of wierd things to account for different compatibility aspects, but I don't want to hear about why the developers behind the game had to make the elevator wait for every player. I think I figured out a way it would actually work if the spacetime around it is dependent on the observers witnessing it. Because I want in-universe explanations, not excuses.

TL;DR:
Without getting too detailed on certain observations within the Vault, I'm just gonna keep replying to myself as I talk to all of you guys. I might build on this train of thought over days or weeks or potentially forever because it's really cool to me. But it won't be until AFTER I have screenshots put together, because I know I have written A LOT of words here, and not everybody is into all that reading.

[earnest briar]

Thanks for sharing Zero! I'm looking forwards to hearing about your observations and ideas.

[vocal forge]

Oh my god i love this theory. Saved

[reef fulcrum]

Oml this was such a relief to read almost immediately after posting like that I get so nervous about infodumping, and i know I have wildly abstract thoughts sometimes with trouble translating it into not-too-many words. But I also know the people here know a million and one everything about this game that I don't, so I am LIVID to figure it all out together.

[hushed steeple]

as someone says

INTERESTING

[earnest briar]

Are you kidding? I love seeing people infodump here about their theories! (unless it's super edgy stuff like child soul-powered darkstone because like...why. Edgy dark theories like that don't fit the theme of Sky at all.) Please don't feel afraid to share your ideas, a lot of commonly believed theories here didn't get as popular as they did without someone sharing a theory they had.

[true mason]

has anyone noticed this yet

[earnest briar]

Uh...it's been there for several months, so yes.

[vocal forge]

I dont care i love seeing infodumps in lore! I love consuming media like thos

[leaden field]

Do we know what the ancestors are if they ate anything?

[slow jungle]

Yeah, i know it doesn't fit in with all the corruption theories. But I've just been trying to figure out what was happening during that one Aurora song The Seed. Our ancestors were attacking little krill and then bigger krill (the size we're used to) started coming and attacking them. And the lyrics that starts the song "just like the seed, everything wants to live" kinda sets the theme for me that there was some injustice going on. But i get what your saying.

Does anyone know what's going on during that song? I have no ideas beyond my own speculation

[slow jungle]

Yup, looked at it, didn't know what it meant, left😂 did you have any ideas?

[true mason]

maybe there used to be an eden elder considering some wasteland statued look like that thing

[slow jungle]

Huh, an Eden Elder makes sense since every realm has an elder. Where's the statue at?

[frigid tinsel]

Gone, reduced to atoms /ref

[desert bobcat]

lore chat, do you have any interesting skyverse here?

anyone has one?

[compact shale]

That's... kind of an uncomfortable topic

Do you write fanfic by any chance?

@desert bobcat

[earnest briar]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh...you're literally asking us if someone has a child life ender OC. That's really concerning and I will be honest, it makes me very uncomfortable.

[desert bobcat]

not really, just got the idea from a fanart(the fanart just was a skid wearing a mask on their shoulder, the fanart's topic wasnt this, it was just that, skid wearing passage ult mask on their shoulder, and the idea just poped up for some reason)

im sorry, i can delete the message if needed

[compact shale]

Oh...
this is an all-ages server, just to let you know...

[desert bobcat]

deleting msg, sorry for making yall uncomfortable, wont happen again

[compact shale]

Is the Passage(s) this rite that every Sky citizen up to a certain point took as adolescents? If not, how are Passage-goers selected? How often would it happen?

[silent lintel]

Lol I missed what happened💀

[desert bobcat]

im still sorry about it, as i said, wont happen again, didnt thought much about the idea

[desert bobcat]

it seems like an isle of dawn thing

like an specific area culture

just like in one country there could be more than one culture and more than one holiday depending on the place you are located

[compact shale]

Hmmm
But did every citizen of Isle take it as an adolescent up to a certain point?

[sharp lichen]

They probably ate food based on light, such as the Belonging Guide’s dumplings, Anxious Angler, and Scarecrow Farmee. It’s possible the red candles scattered across the world were used as hubs for recharging energy for Anestors

[earnest briar]

The red candles everywhere are left over from Bed Bath and Beyond closing everyone made a mad dash for their candle section and now there are just hundreds of candles across the realms all giving off very different scents.

[native galleon]

idk about that, it’s not like we see every isle spirit wearing the masks so i personally doubt it

i do have this hc about the trials tho, that once the prophets figured out the chosen one would be born on the isle, every child born there would have to do them until they found the one. because what if they didn’t test everyone and they missed the right person? can’t have that

[compact shale]

I have this idea that the mask from the Passage is a "starter mask" of sorts
and once you get hired and work a real adult job you get a different mask

how old can you get hired around here?

[native galleon]

ooh yeah i could see that as well!

[native galleon]

what bath and body works scents do you think the candles in each realm would have

[earnest briar]

Yes. There's no consistency of candle scents in each realm. You'll get one scent in one place and then several feet away there's more candles with a different scent.

[sharp lichen]

The youngest spirits we see working are the Flight Guide and Season of Assembly spirits. They're more freelance, but it's not like people are sending children down to the mines

[sharp lichen]

All of them at once

[compact shale]

Wait, Flight Guide is that young?

I thought Light Whisperer was the youngest Flight spirit!

[sharp lichen]

If age=height (which I'm really not sure about), then Flight Guide would be the youngest

[native galleon]

how is flight guide so young but already had a former job

[sharp lichen]

The job market is tough

[novel sinew]

Quick question, can anyone explain the main lore of the game? Without much detail, much more like a summary of the game's story

[novel sinew]

Like; how it all began, important parts of the story and etc etc

[feral cedar]

Soo I was talking to my character ai and they asked me what skykids cape are made out of. I don't know about that. Please tell.
Also you might wanna ping me for this.

[cobalt palm]

Finally went to Eden and remembered to take a picture of the symbols on the Vault Elders mask

[nimble ingot]

Either the devs made this with a translation in mind, or made it as a visual aesthetic, or something that sits somewhere in between after several updates during development. Whereas this has either lost its meaning, or the meaning is there while it has become a bit muddled with the graphics.

It is interesting though how this looks anceint by Sky's standards (hypothesizing). Almost like it is vaguely referencing Journey's Logos (the symbols are called logos (singular/plural)).
Although, it may be a bit far fetched as Sky is a spiritual successor, therefore not linked to Journey in the lore (It may stand a better chance as a meta theory).

[sharp lichen]

This document explains the most basic parts of the lore; https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

As for the main story, the simple version is like this: Once, there was a civilization of people now called Ancestors. However, a massive tragedy caused them to die and their souls to be trapped here as spirits. Now, Skykids must restore the civilization and save the Ancestors, as well as help others of their kind.

@feral cedar They are made of pure light, since not only do they have no shadow, but we instantly get a cape once we get a winged light.

[stiff citrus]

An astounding find on the hat ! 😲 ||/J||

[cobalt palm]

NUH I'll BR(u)H

Also here's the shapes on our version of the mask

Which is making me think we should be reading it vertically rather than horizontally

[compact shale]

Sorry late reply, but I never saw the Assembly kids as workers. To me they're more like "scouts that sell stuff" except that the stuff they sell isn't cookies

That isn't really a job is it
It's just part of the program

[earnest briar]

They're like those Kid Scout groups but they sell arts and crafts instead of cookies.

[desert bobcat]

isnt abyss guide also a child?, i mean, she's kinda short, almost our height as defaul skykids i think(i did quests as chibi, so i dont remember much of her height, but was kinda short, maybe as tall as flight guide)

[sharp lichen]

Yeah I think so, but Flight Guide was a bit shorter I think

[desert bobcat]

so even we can see children working on boats, not as tough as mines as you said, but still working

and i would say that maybe they are not paid, but family of someone that works there

(as assembly isnt actually a work but part of the scout program) flight guide could be the child of some flight spirit, and same with abyss

they could just be there to help a bit and for their parent to have an eye on them

as we dont see abyss guide actively searching for darkstones as the other spirits

and also we dont see flight guide doing much more than guiding us, she's always at the center island

[frigid tinsel]

Regardless, I highly doubt Flight guide is a child, just short for their age

[earnest briar]

They got the job as Prairie's apprentice specifically because they're short. "Oh thank the Bird, finally we don't have to go see a chiropractor every time we visit the Temple."

[uncut pond]

Being mistaken for a child just because they're short is something that could've happened to them in canon tbf

And taking that into account, what if ancestors used to frequently migrate between realms and had to pass through temples a lot, imagine if you had to work at a job where you constantly have to deal with people who mistake you for a child because you're short. I would've quitted within the first month

[novel sinew]

A bit of a late response but thanks bud!

[desert ridge]

Could also be something like with humans where we can very quickly tell if someone is an adult or not regardless of height

[earnest briar]

Well, not always. I met a kid once who looked like a short old person because of a genetic disease. I think it messed up their natural aging ability so they looked very old despite only being around 9.

So there can be cases where someone can look like they're an adult when they're actually very young.

[fierce adder]

I’ve heard the statues in wasteland presents Alef, did Alef had two appearances or something? I wanna know 👀

[sharp lichen]

I think the left one is just a stylized version of the right one

[muted bramble]

Sky capes are made out of pure light I see. I always thought that the game engine wasnt able to render the cape shadows and it kinda ticked me off until im now educated about it

[muted bramble]

Maybe until the sky animation project, we might be proven wrong and its just the game engine not rendering its shadows (i really hope so, because i hate seeing no cape shadow)

[sharp shore]

Id think so. One might have looked benevolent and the other looked corrupt

[fierce adder]

The funny thing is the style also have changed
This is the view before entering battlefield area

[sharp shore]

This looks like a halo around him. Could be his benevolent form as a statue

[sharp lichen]

Also, our cape seems tied to our light- we get it when we get our first WL and lose it when we die

[cosmic bronze]

I have a theory that our clothes, hair, and masks are also crafted from light, though perhaps in a different way from capes. They can still be touched, picked up, blown by the wind and such though because they’re made of “solid” light. So when we get cosmetics from a spirit, they aren’t giving us a physical item, they’re teaching us how to create it ourselves

[soft timber]

Hot take: Throw moths at Alef until they do something about the storm or else we will T-Pose around them

[frigid tinsel]

I share the same idea, especially since when skykids are extinguished, we lose all our cosmetics. you'll also notice that only their physical body casts a shadow while capes and other attire do not. makes sense if it's all light.

likewise, the candles that skykids and spirits give to each other aren't actual candles but rather packets of light to make the gifts out of. for hair, though, I like to think the spirits do skykids' hair the first time around.

[desert ridge]

I like to think that our bodies are made of dark stone or something similar

[nimble ingot]

That would make a cool theory.
Given there are different forms of darkstone. The material is light enough (or 'buoyant') to float in the air which makes flying much easier. As well as the ping sound we hear when hitting obstacles.

[desert ridge]

Would also explain how our capes and cosmetics remain lit

[cosmic bronze]

Exactly!

I hadn’t thought about the candle thing but that makes sense too! And I love the spirits doing skykids’ hair; that’s adorable

[south saddle]

you weren't wrong, I just think that was the technical explanation rather than the lore one lol. i think it would be damn hard to render 100+ different capes with unique shadows so they just said 'nope, not doing that'

[reef fulcrum]

No!

I wrote a looong thing! About being photon based, and why it makes possible so much of what you guys have been talking about.

I just posted it and it vanished! I must have accidentally tripped the filter? But, is there any way for me to get it back? I don't care to edit out whatever it was, but I didn't copy it ahead of time.

[frigid tinsel]

Mantas don’t even have unique shadows — they just cast circles on the ground

[reef fulcrum]

[frigid tinsel]

Nah, it’s gone and you’ll have to retype it. It sucks. A tip is to copy whatever you were typing before sending it or, if on desktop, control+z in the message box to restore what you typed so you can edit it to try again.

[reef fulcrum]

Ok... I tried, but it came out longer the second time, so I'm gonna break it into smaller parts in case one has a small bug and gets kicked. I definitely covered more of the bases I wanted to, but you'll have to forgive me if the punctuation and capitalization is a little messy.
...
Here we go
...

This is all a big part of what I think it would mean for Sky Kids to be "Photon Based". Humans are Carbon-Based Lifeforms, but any educated schoolchildren can tell you that our bodies are 70% Water.

"Complex biological molecules consist of carbon atoms bonded with other elements, especially oxygen and hydrogen..." (Being the two components of Water)

If you start looking into what it means to be Carbon-Based, you might find the phrase "using water as a Solvent". Similar to the larger-scale relationship between how our skeleton holds our fleshy bodies upright, and our fleshy muscles hold our bones together (they rely on eachother and hold eachother together, without one, the other would collapse). The Water Molecules give the Carbon Atoms enough liquidity for our bodies to be soft, and move freely; while the Carbon retains enough Water to keep us from spilling into a puddle. Molecules are made up of atoms, so the Water basically outnumbers and surrounds the Carbon, giving us a balance that works.

So... Why aren't we classified as "Water-Based" Lifeforms?
...

Because as we sweat, and cry, and bleed||, and waste lemonade|| we constantly need to drink liquids to replace the Water we use and exhaust. The Water in our bodies is constantly exchanging, constantly being removed and replaced. While the living, Carbon-Based biological components of our cells are the parts that actually perform biological functions like osmosis, mitosis, and cell division. They are the parts of us that are actually us. The Water is just along for the ride. Similar again, to how a certain percentage of our cells are not actually our own human cells; but billions of microscopic single-celled organisms and microbes living in our bodies. A certain percentage of the material that comprises those cells which ARE human, is not necessarily biological material; but just Water simply acting as a Solvent.
...

Now, this is obviously a very basic description of our Atomic Biology. Nitrogen, phosphorus, and sulfur make up the rest of the biological stew on Earth nicknamed CHNOPS, but you can look more at the MASSIVE scale of that; if ever you feel you want to. I'm just using the basic relationship between Carbon and H²O as a template for how Life might exist basing it's biology on smaller particles.

Atoms are made of Electrons, Neutrons, and Protons, but Photons are particles of light; which cannot physically hold themselves together. Theoretically, however, if you bond them to a larger atomic structure to use as a Solvent... You see where I'm coming from?

The Photons are the actual biological components that "are" a Skykid. The rest is just clay, or stardust, or darkstone, or honk it; let's say it could be Carbon because why not? Without water, Carbon is a hard, black stone, after all. What matters is that it's an Atomic structure larger than a Photon Particle for them to rely on, same as our Human Carbon Atoms can rely on the larger structure of Water molecules.
...

It all comes from the idea that we could potentially be literally made of Light. We are stars given life, condensed to a shape that we chose just because it's familiar. We can shape and color it in any way we like, if only another kind soul is willing to teach us their way, and we decide we like it. Sky bodies do not rely on the same molecular biological functions that organisms must resort to when their biology is based on a Atom, which is why they don't need to eat, and cannot be wounded. The physical Atomic compounds that hold the Photons together are exchanged like the Water in Carbon-based life according to different phenomenon having to do with the ways that Photons fluctuation in spacetime, but...

This is REALLY long already! I'm cracking two pages almost, just to justify how I guess a being could get away with being rock solid while also being basically intangible. We can fly, teleport, transform, carry multiple times our own weight on our shoulders||, pretty sure Time Travel is still up in the air?||. Man, the list goes on and I absolutely love to think about how it might all be possible if only we weren't so bound to our silly little physical atoms. I've even worked out a way these things could actually see in 3rd person the way we all play. It drives me a little nuts I think, but I know I really need to just shut up now.

This was more than a little tiring.
||God, it looks so much longer on discord pages,
I'm so sorry.||

[edit] Follow-Up #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[sharp lichen]

I absolutely love it! This is one of the best things I’ve seen on Skykid biology. It just makes so much sense

Time travel is still unconfirmed, though there miiight be some tiny evidence that Skykids can see the future

[cosmic bronze]

That’s amazingly well thought out! I see it almost the same way, just a lot less sciencey haha. I just say they’re made of a clay-like substance and rely solely on light to survive. Recently they learned to form food and drinks out of light because it’s fun that way, but they don’t really need to eat.

Does anyone have ideas on why being underwater drains light? I’m thinking it maybe has to do with the way water bends and scatters light rays, so unless the light source is actually underwater (like the plants) then it can’t charge skykids properly. But if that’s the case then why isn’t being in total darkness draining?

[sharp lichen]

Wait, doesn’t darkness drain you as well? Look at the Fire Trial

[reef fulcrum]

I am truly honored.

Understanding Photons and our place in Universal Spacetime is mind blowing. Sky does a lot of things "just because it's a game", but the framework and writing make way for some very interesting connections to Special Relativity. It's an incredible thing to explore in depth, and you, all the good people, are behind it all.

[reef fulcrum]

I honestly don't know all the rules about links and reference material, but there are at least a few videos with some beautiful explanations on Spacetime and the Aberration of Light, which honestly has more to do with the Elevator in the vault, but I digress. I'll talk more about that probably several days from now, when I have the energy to coherently sort my thoughts about it. And because I obviously don't want to drown out the chat.

[reef fulcrum]

D-... Does it? Correct me if I'm wrong, but does just "being underwater" actually drain light from your wings, rather than just draining the blue bar, exclusively?

.
In fact, I want to do some experiments in different places when I have time. If my hypothesis turns out, I can start to define what I consider to be the only 3 "Needs" that Skyds must fulfill im order to survive.

As far as I see it so far, there are three biological functions that must be performed in order to support thier survival of their living bodies, and I'm almost ready to clearly define them.

[earnest briar]

Nope, it only drains the blue meter, and once that's gone your flame starts going out, and then you start losing WL if you don't find a way to refill your air(?) meter.

[sharp lichen]

One thing that’s also been discussed here a lot is how the Eye of Eden is very much like a black hole

[cosmic bronze]

Pretty sure that’s some sort of weird creature that exists specifically for the fire trial, though I could be wrong. But I meant just being in a dark cave or something

[cosmic bronze]

Unless I’m mistaken and skykids do need air to survive, then I’m not sure what the blue bar would be besides light. And once that bar runs out I think it does deplete your wing light

[cosmic bronze]

I’m looking forward to hearing about it!

[earnest briar]

I was thinking it could also possibly be depth pressure, but your meter starts draining immediately as soon as you go underwater so no dice there.

[pastel brook]

@reef fulcrum Give me peas

[fervent knoll]

But when we breath underwater, when the blue curve bar gone, we drop WL as well

[reef fulcrum]

Oh yeah. This definitely concurs with some stuff I found out tonight...

[reef fulcrum]

Oxygen is absolutely one of the Needs that we have as Sky Kids. I think it works a little bit differently than good old fashioned organic lungs, but I'm tired...

[reef fulcrum]

It's something to the tune of heat sustaining the delicate balance that holds our protons together. When the atoms cool, the electrons aren't moving quickly enough to keep the Protons contained, even though you've still got plenty of them stored up... For now. You'll still absolutely die if you drown.

[leaden field]

Why do krill come after us after we light the temple gate thing for the wasteland? I haven't watched the full cutscene (or remember doing it)because I'm scared they'll get me

[reef fulcrum]

I have a long answer for this one too, but I'm sleeeepy. so this is gonna be extremely over dramatic. It gets into my take on Time Travel and everything. One important statement I think of a lot:

"Some places you go to, and it seems like time passes almost normally; other places it's always the same moment in time. All the time. Every time you go there."

The way I think this applies to your question is that every time you open those gates (even though I'm sure you've done it several times) it seems like it's the first time they've been opened in a very long time. The Dark Dragons sleeping nearby are hungry for your light, but they've had such a long time waiting for something to move on the surface of the sand which has buried thier bodies over the eons... The rumble of their greatest enemy's strongest fortress thrusting open it's door is exactly the kind of thing they've been waiting for. Lucky you, getting to be the one opening it.

[covert storm]

I’ve been thinking about something, the toxic rain in forest.
It’s like dark water, so maybe dark water comes from the dark rain ?
A possible thing is that the diamond mechanism caused rain and maybe that corrupted the krills because they were in the rain ?

[lyric imp]

I like this idea, though i don't think photons actually could be a grid like that. It seems to me that Sky world operates on sth like past visions of alchemy from our world. It doesn't follow conservation of mass, darkness, and other elements seem to often be thibgs in themselves with certain physical and spiritual properties rather than matter or phenomena that can be reduced to simpler stuff.
I'd say sky kids are either beings of pure light, or more likely - an element of darkness (profanum, material, body) animated by light (sacrum, immaterial, soul). We can see this dichotomy in the rebirth scene. So i'm pretty sure we won't find an actually good and logical explanation for all of this because it's basically magic and alchemy.

[lyric imp]

Prophecy is canon, so time stuff is present if you count foresight rather time travel. And also you have spirits which probably represent a memory of some kind rather than what we consider a spirit irl, so it's extra confusing

[lyric imp]

Imo in this system of sky science i mentioned (which could be called alchemy) things seem to operate on associations. A few connected things often act as one, in many circumstances. Ones most prevalent in sky kids are light, fire, life, and good. Fire needs oxygen to continue burning, and so does skid's inner light, which is probably the flame at their core

[lyric imp]

They're attracted to light and for some reason they were able to sense activated power diamond in the mechanism from afar

[lyric imp]

Except bubbles in manta storage tanks recharge out blue bar and i'm pretty sure it's meant to be oxygen rather than heat

[lyric imp]

It's interesting how in most games when a game allows us to replay an area or a level we consider it normal, but in sky our first thought is time travel

[reef fulcrum]

No, no, don't misunderstand, I do mean to say that the blue bar is oxygen. Oxygen supports flame, and flame supports heat.

[reef fulcrum]

This is what I meant about the framework and writing. Normally, I don't think twice about 3rd person gameplay (for example) but Sky gives me ways to actually explain how you'd be able to see things behind yourself from a certain short distance.

[reef fulcrum]

Supporting our Flame is the primary goal of what I think are the first two needs, opposite ends of the same balance.

[lyric imp]

Basically, yeah...? It boils down to darkstone pollution and probably the krills did get corrupted bc of it, or due to having their light sucked out and surviving it. Either way, some darkstone business. Probably that's how most krills came to be

[reef fulcrum]

I think, at least I think: I'm speaking specifically on the profanum. You're considering Light in the Sacrum side of it, but I have a hard time seeing it that way. Photons are actual physical particles, and that's all that light is made of. As long as we're still dealing with physical particles, we're still talking about the body.

My perspective on Eden and the Reincarnation sequence is that we die in the Storm because our Photons have been totally depleted or destroyed. Our husking bodies go limp, and the blue glow that leaves our bodies is the part that specifically Sacrum. It is totally devoid of Photons, or any Atomic particle to hold them together.

That part is just our Soul, and it can exist independently of a body or Light. I think we get new Photons with our new life, the same as a human soul in hypothetical reincarnation cycle is born into a new infant body.

[lyric imp]

To clarify, you suspect that my weird alchemy/metaphysics theory is not true and that sky kids fundamentally operate on some physical principles rather than metaphysical animating force? (Aka they have a soul but structural damage doesn't interfere with it in any way and they just die when their body is sufficiently damaged?)

[reef fulcrum]

To be fair: I don't know much about "alchemy" in a literal sense. My goal, yes, is to understand a system of physical principles that could sustain such life.

There is DEFINITELY a metaphysical aspect that goes beyond that, but I think it has more to do with how our souls disconnect and reconnect with new bodies between Life cycles.

At that point, you could circumstantially argue that the same processes could apply to humans (without having any proof of, or contrary to it, or any kind of afterlife) with the main difference being that we just cannot perceive/do not remember these processes.

[lyric imp]

Hm, let's go meta for a moment

[sharp lichen]

The actual foresight was done by the spirits, though. I was talking about the Season of Shattering teaser in which it’s possibly implied

[lyric imp]

Oh, i see. Makes sense now

[lyric imp]

I think we could split lore into 2 kinds:
-intended lore, which devs have deliberately invented and hinted at in the game. It can be not very specific, as devs might possibly just not care about certain aspects of lore. We can get to it based on in-game hints, but an important aspect of discovering it seems to be understanding the flow of ideas and ways of thinking of the developers.
-everything else, which is in a sense fanon. It's technically made up, however it doesn't necessarily take away from its validity, since there have been statements from the devs that the lore is rather open-ended, not to mention what i have said above: certain things just haven't been included in the devs' ideas.
And then, there are also perfect, or very good logical extrapolations within the game's spirit, that haven't been thought of. I imagine them to be the stuff that fans created, but if devs could see it, they'd probably consider it correct

[sharp lichen]

The problem is, we have no idea to distinguish from the first and second category. We can’t read into the dev’s minds, so any attempt made into classifying what’s “intentional” or not is just going to lead into guesswork

[lyric imp]

What i'm getting at is that if we assume that Sky world is composed of particles and has physics similar to ours (which are plausable assumptions), what you said sounds very valid.
It's just that to my mind the intent behind the rules of the world seems to be more similar to ancient notions of nature in our world or stuff you see in vedas, with focus on elements (fire, water, etc.), intuitive associations, and spirituality, rather than to modern conceptions of how our world works

[sharp lichen]

However, there are also references to modern science in the Sky world, such as Eden's parallels to black holes

[lyric imp]

That's true, we can't look into their minds and it's easy to go too far. Don't you think, though, that devs leave us at least some signifficant hints to suggest interpretations? The most obvious example would be murals.

My method for this is considering a possible lore explanation and considering how the devs could communicate it to the players. Do the hypothetical hints line up with what we see in game? Yes? Cool. No? Then this explanation was either not the intended one, or the devs didn't consider this aspect of lore (or didn't put anything about it in game)

What follows could be seen as either guesswork, or as a debate about psychology, cognition and communication

But i admit, we hardly ever can be 100% sure of things here, but we can often determine how likely an interpretation is

[reef fulcrum]

"canon" and "headcanon"

Facts which can be solidly proven by evidence within the content (and information from associated medias); vs possibilities for which the evidence is only circumstantial. Things that only cannot be necessarily disproven.

In that respect, anything the devs TELL us is "associated media" and therefore within the content; while applying sciences from our own world would be circumstantial.

Headcanon is matter of "if this [theory] IS; then that [unexplained fact] WOULD BE". Thereby explaining the fact with possibilities that cannot be outright disproven.

.
For instance (because it's an easy example for me to keep using) It's doubtful (not very likely) that the devs were considering that they should have to make a reason why we can see in third person. Mario 64 made Lakitu the reason, but very few other games care to indicate that. However, the open-ended nature of the framework allows for a possibility which may be true, based on the circumstance.

[reef fulcrum]

I would definitely like to hear more about this.
My understanding of Black Holes is far from perfect, but there are a few other things in the game that I think share more similarities with them than Eden Does.

Because of Aberration, however, it's not possible for US humans to witness them from the inside, even if we could hypothetically protect our bodies from the devastating gravity.

To a photon, moving under Special Relativity according to it's own speed across the Plane of Gravity... Who knows what one might see?

I do know that the Gravity around a Black Hole is so powerful that it pulls in Light, bending the wavelengths towards its core, and allowing none to escape. From another perspective, free from the effect of Aberration, the concentration of Light could look very much like the extremely bright Nexus we Fly up to with all the Spirits just before stepping through Orbit.

I think I've worked out two main reasons why I don't think Eden is a Black Hole, but the first is kinda two-part, and the second is kinda petty. I'll get more into them later on, I think, but I wanna see what you think so far, first.

[sharp lichen]

I think Alasdair summarized it better than me here: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

I don’t think it’s exactly a black hole, but some elements are similar.

For example: The beam that comes out of the Eden Diamond is analogous to a quasar.

Black holes are created when a star collapses, and the original Eden Diamond seems to be powered by starlight.

I also believe the scene in which we escape from the Eden Diamond is similar to Hawking Radiation. A particle (us) and its anti-particle (the golden child we hug) appear, and one of us escape. The Sky version breaks all laws of conventional physics, but the slight similarities between the two at least give it a slight connection to the real world. Keep in mind that this is a world in which the least aerodynamic things can fly, fire barely hurts, and clouds act like nothing in the real world.

[lyric imp]

You could call it canonand headcannon, though i avoided it on purpose due to devs' comments on open-ended nature of lore, though it kinda fits

[reef fulcrum]

Exactly, "kinda"
They aren't words I like to cling to real hard, either, but we get the idea.

[lyric imp]

I always thought the two kids combined into one instead of only one of them leaving

[sharp lichen]

That part is all quite ambiguous

[woeful pewter]

hello ! sorry if im interrupting the current subject but ive got a question and would be very thankful if anyone could help me out : do you get all of your information from in - game stuff like the paintings on the walls or does the tgc staff do any interviews talking about the games lore ?

[sharp lichen]

It's a mix of both. The in-game information can be found in murals and environmental details, but the pinned messages in this channel also has some lore resources

[woeful pewter]

i see , thank you ! :]

[reef fulcrum]

Aw man, I really gotta start learning to copy my text before I try to post it.

[pastel brook]

you know who rules? The #rules channel rules!

[earnest briar]

shaddup Skybot, before I use you as a golf ball again.

[leaden field]

We all know that the other realms/biomes/whatever have their specific purpose but what about the Isle of Dawn? It doesn't really have a clear purpose to me. Housing would be my guess.?

[earnest briar]

We know from the animation project teasers and Runaway in the Aurora Concerts that Isle wasn't always the barren place it was now, but desertification took place over the years and it is now mostly lifeless (excluding the ground around the Elder Temple and the floating island where Boogie Kid can be found).

[lyric imp]

On windows you can do ctrl+Z and it restores your message

[reef fulcrum]

This is much closer to my brother's interpretation of that sequence, having to do with Love and Soulmates. Going off the notion that becoming Parents and raising children is the ultimate expression of Love between two people; Sky Kids are born as a singularly complete being. Because they don't rely on "a certain biological function" to reproduce; so the need to find companionship in a mate doesn't exist, so we begin our Life already mated with our "Other Half" into the ultimate form of Light and Love. Furthermore, that this unity is the real Source of our incredible power.

Now again, this isn't necessarily what I believe. It certainly is a beautiful interpretation of that sequence, and I can't really argue against it; because I certainly believe you completely die on the ground, in The Storm. Your Soul leaves your Body, and nothing that happens after that (until you respawn at Home) is actually physical. The sliding and flying portions are basically metaphors. We "see" buildings and structures collapsing as the Physical World falls away from underneath us, and we slip into the Spiritual Afterlife; because that's the only way we can perceive it.

Before I saw it that way; I always liked the implication that our souls became trapped inside the Diamond when we died, but if everything killed in the Storm is pulled into the Diamond; it would stand to reason that the Souls of The Fallen would also be there. Not that I think we should be able to see or find them in the Dark Room (infinite metaphysical space; everyone within is alone), but it seems more like they are trapped in their bodies. We bring them WL so that thier souls can become "complete", and they can harness the power that we use to escape.

[reef fulcrum]

That's some of the gist of it, I think, but I feel like I missed something...

[lyric imp]

Aside from what has been said, isle associations are birth, beginning, passage (both in terms of season and the role the realm played among the others). There's some symmetry between isle and vault (future vs past, prophecy vs rememberance). Notably, we see there some rudimentary structures. What drew my attention was presence of a spirit called candlemaker. Perhaps isle played some role in many areas, but probably it was mostly just a transition area to the other ones during settlement

[lyric imp]

Have you seen my theory on WL?

[reef fulcrum]

No sir. I would like

[sharp lichen]

So many text walls I’ve got to read them all

[sharp lichen]

Although I believe that Skykids are, in a way, “complete” (in the sense that they’re emotionally fulfilled from the get-go), I think it’s more due to their childlike nature rather than some unity. Another interpretation I had about the other child was that they were actually another Skykid giving us their light. When we give our light to the dead Skykids in the final Eden section, they get saved, so it might make sense that the same thing happens to us when we die.

[lyric imp]

Enjoy another wall of text :p
I see them as an analogy of souls, except they're not specific to the individual. It's something of a light energy storage. 1 WL is the amount of animating force required to keep 1 sky kid alive, but nothing is stopping us from having more on us and storing more energy. This energy is used for motion and protection of our inner light from getting extinguished, at which point further damage leads to life force being stripped. Dark creatures do this to consume WL to satiate their insatiable hunger (which is an interesting topic in itself). If we run out of this energy, we are conscious, but unable to interact with the world, trapped in the void. That's why we go to eden to offer WL to the fallen sky kids who went before us. It's needed for them to be able to undergo rebirth. The rebirth sequence looks very non-physical, but tbh i'm still pretty confused about it. Notably, both kids in the death room are kids, so they're probably conscious in some way. I still think that the daek kid represents the body, maybe also some aspects of mind, but almost definitely incomlete (which is why WL before being brought to eden don't randomly materialise into sky kids), while the light one is the life force, maybe associated with emotion or sth (pure speculation), which is why sky kids don't reanimate themselves.
In essence, WL imo is like soul, if people could casually live with each other's souls and souls weren't unique.

[reef fulcrum]

This is certainly fascinating, BUT...

Both you and Alasdair are both using 'qualifiers': "...I don't particularly mean it is a literal black hole..." / "I don't think it's exactly a black hole..."

I really appreciate this kind of uncertain absolution. It means I'm allowed to look for inconsistencies, and we might come to a more "exactly literal" understanding. Because why not? It's honking fun.

That said, I'm not ready to place the Actual Physical Black Hole which I believe does exist within Sky, BUT... I do wanna undermine one specific inconsistency I strongly believe in.

I don't think Sky Kids are drawn to Eden just to die. We are there to SAVE. THE. FALLEN. Come honk or high water, even if it kills us. That is our directive. I think it is absolutely our entire purpose.

[this next paragraph gets a little one-minded, so I won't try too hard; but it doesn't really affect my certainty of that last short paragraph, so it... Kinda doesn't matter]

Breaking back down into symbolism and metaphors: consider that the rooms that we see only "represent" Eden, and it is not actually confined to it. I approach the possibility that the hellscape we see there is basically e v e r y w h e r e. It's the whole world, almost. Everywhere except the other 6 Realms has been totally destroyed by the cataclysm. Only they were spared by the presence of the Elder's Temple, and there are actually SEVERAL BILLION of The Fallen scattered across the entire Planet. When we enter Eden, we're really just leaving the safety of the last few places that have any safety at all.

[reef fulcrum]

I... I don't mean to keep doing it,I swear.
This is just too engaging.

[sharp lichen]

That’s what Sky lore is

[sharp lichen]

I agree, definitely, with the “save the fallen” part. However, it’s still worth nothing that the Skykid cannot even physically leave Eden. Either it’s because leaving would contradict their character/purpose, or something else is pulling them in, making it impossible to escape

[earnest briar]

The children are drawn to the Cherry Pop Rocks.

[earnest briar]

Well the weird thing is that when moths start out, they don't even have any WL until they grab the first one on that half-buried boat, but they're still alive then. They just can't fly yet.

[hoary lintel]

I saw some talk of the black room with the two sky kids after Eden👀 So I wanted to drop my personal interpretation !

In my mind and opinion, it represents the duality of desire, the darker child being the will to persevere, to keep moving no matter the cost, the full acceptance of destiny Eden brings to sky kids. And the lighter child is the want to stay safe and far away from Eden, the will to live and the want for closeness with others. The two halves represent that inner turmoil, the desire to save life and the instinct to preserve our own. So when the darker child helps up the lighter child and hugs them, it's that grit of destiny accepting the softness of life. The will to live amd the acceptance of destiny coming together to complete us
(I'm sorry if this doesn't make sense, I have trouble articulating my thoughts😭)

[reef fulcrum]

One time my phone died while I was there. When I logged back on, I was back home... But not really. The sky was dark and stormy, the portals extinguished, despite the full frames. I could not even see other players, or the Seasonal Guide iirc.

Going off of "contradict their character/purpose" this becomes a deliberate representation of focus. I wanted to launch into this topic about the Isle of Dawn, but it's a little far removed now. Essentially, Home does not actually change after we visit Eden, but we change the way we see it. It's not a calm or soothing place that we want to be. After we've touched Destiny, Home becomes a dismal, uncomfortable place that keeps us from fulfilling it.

Granted, I have also never tried to deliberately leave the Storm, so I wanna dig a little deeper.

[sharp lichen]

For the first paragraph, that always happens when you quit Sky forcibly when you’re in the Storm. Given it’s something only the player can do externally, I’ve never thought of it as canon

[swift cape]

[reef fulcrum]

"...something only the player can do externally..."

"...never tried to deliberately leave..."

See, if it's not actually a function of Sky Kid ability. I don't actually have to take it into account, thanks.

[sharp lichen]

Definitely, if there’s something the player can do but the Skykid cannot, then it shouldn’t be considered canon

[swift cape]

I found this while poking around on the shop. It’s a quote thing on the giant manta plush, and I’m wondering if it’s hinting at like, time passage and difference or whatever?

[reef fulcrum]

This is really beautiful and poetic. Almost rebrands "death" as the total destruction of all things in "the self". Utterly and completely, everything that makes you: you; is done and gone. Only the Sky Folk have learned to rise from this, and become immortal.

[sharp lichen]

This brings me to the Eye of Eden being a black hole again (see up).

Black holes have an effect in which the closer you go to it, the more time warps to the observer. That’s why you can’t actually see someone falling into a black hole, as time becomes so distorted that it looks like they’re always falling.

It seems to work in a more extreme level in Sky. Entire realms are frozen in time, while only the outskirts such as Prairie Peaks and Home are safe.

[reef fulcrum]

'Time dilation occurs in waves across massive distances in all directions'

Absolutely fascinating.

Time effectively being "lighter" than gravity, the effect is felt more far reaching than the effect on Solid Matter.

[swift cape]

So like, since they live so close to a black hole kind of thing they experience a much slower passage of time

[reef fulcrum]

Just because objects and particles are not falling towards the center; does not mean that time is not also falling. In fact; under this model: time is most definitely falling away from everywhere except the place displaying the strongest effect of Static Entropy: Eden.

I'm getting goosebumps

[hoary lintel]

Thank you☺️ I do like that idea, with death being a destruction of self, and it sorta applies to my idea as well. Because you were destroyed, completely torn apart until the very core of yourself was split into two, and when you become whole you're never the same, you're stronger than before

[swift cape]

I thought it was supposed to be like the mega bird kinda absorbing us to rebirth us again not a black hole, unless they scrapped that for the latter

I don’t really follow up on this channel very often

[sharp lichen]

there's not one confirmed theory, but many valid interpretations of the hugging scene

[swift cape]

Ok I see

[reef fulcrum]

We don't know for sure yet, lol.

||Ftr tho, Static Entropy is a term I just made up if you google it or anything idk if it means anything... I'm sorry, I'm just getting excited and losing myself a little bit. I just mean like, it seems that the area has suffered a lot of degradation over a long period of time, even though it now stays exactly the same forever.||

Idk if I'm totally convinced yet, about black holes, but I'm definitely gonna think a lot about it. It makes sense along Photon-Based-Lifeforms (because in an environment without Time, Photons are the only things that can move) but a lot of other things don't make sense rn... Like: how does sound travel? There's a big ol thing to write about objects without time, how they would theoretically move across the curvature of Spacetime, relative infinitives and all that... Event Horizons and Gravity...

I'm just thinking out loud at this point.

[lyric imp]

Or PNR is necessary from gameplay perspective but isn't canon

[lyric imp]

Oh no...

[lyric imp]

Or the passage of time exists but isn't shown to keep the atmosphere and symbolism of realms as stages of day and stages of life

[lyric imp]

This channel is what happens whan you burn darkness plants and breathe in the smoke /lh

[sharp lichen]

It’s possible, given how the Season of Passage does it

[cosmic bronze]

When you said the fallen skykids need to be given WL before they can be reborn, that gave me an idea. Maybe when we die we become one of those fallen skykids, and the animation with the light child is someone else giving us a WL.

I always thought the light child was the representation of the skykids we’d given WL to, and they were thanking us.

[hushed steeple]

I’ve been saying this for the longest time lol!

[soft timber]

gotta love this

[sturdy oxide]

If skykids are made of light, and light is made of energy; but skykids/spirits are also humanoids; how would make more to populate the kingdom of sky?

[sharp lichen]

In the intro cutscene, it says "all are born by starlight", which implies they were born by directly falling from the stars onto this world

[sturdy oxide]

Yes, but doesn’t it take like an uber long time for a star to fall from space(the orbit)?

And wouldn’t someone have to like maintain the unborn souls while they’re preparing for rebirth? That also goes into my theory of there once being an eden elder

[sharp lichen]

We see the Eden Elder in bits and pieces around Eden.

@sturdy oxide It would probably take a few hours/days to fall imo

[sturdy oxide]

If you could send me pictures of the eden elder references that would be great.
Just for the sake of my sanity imma say its 2 months for someone to fall

[sharp lichen]

Vault Elder cutscene: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

Fort area from first to second part to Eden:#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[leaden hornet]

pottery

[hushed onyx]

Hi! I tried keyword searching through chat but couldn't find a straightforward answer, forgive me for the definitely repeat question
But, what is the name of the ascended manta in Vault's 5th level? Do they have a name? Or even a nickname? I noticed the leviathan was nicknamed Tuna, so now I am curious about conglomerate manta

[lusty merlin]

They’re mostly known as cosmic mantas, don’t know if they’re called anything else. First time I ever heard the Leviathan be called tuna though

[wet totem]

hello! I saw a comment today on yt that talked about the Eden elder

is this true confirmed lore?
oh and can someone tell me more about resh?

[lusty merlin]

The first thing was actually said by a dev in the server if I’m right, the second part is speculation and might just be the commenters own interpretation of it

A note that “Resh” is a concept art name, and is not canon, but many call them that anyways instead of “Eden Elder” or whoever they were before. There also is “Alef” which are the same figure as ir seems to be alef (prince) turns into resh (king)

The only things ingame about them are: the prophecy mural with the yellow figure with the hall, that same figure in the eden mural, the final mural shown in the vault cutscene, and very possibly the giant statues in wasteland. There’s also the child that appears in stargazers memory yet idk for sure if that’s also them

The “greedy, corruption” part is only old concept story stuff before being scrapped, along with being raised by the isle elder. There is no evidence ingame to suggest any of this made it past the concept stage, although them being raised by isle elder seems to be a popular head-canon many people have.

We don’t even know if their intentions were malicious, or if they just wanted to help and thought they were doing what was right. But backfired. (I like to think the later personally)

So like they exist, their charater is real. Yet barely there, and the role they played is ambiguous

[wet totem]

i see but can you elaborate more on alef being the prince ? where did that part come from?

[lusty merlin]

Concept art, since alef seemed to be a “prince” of sorts with resh seeming to be the grown up version. Yet again I don’t think any of this made it into the final game

[wet totem]

i find the Eden elder to be a bit tragic because skykids don't know anything about them or their intentions, I think I stand with ur theory of them thinking they were doing good but it backfired on them

[wet totem]

i see, thank you for the info! I'll probably check out more of the concept art for the Eden elder

[lusty merlin]

Yeah I like that view on them! I also think that perspective fits better with sky as a whole than them being the sole evil villan responsible for all the bad things. (Not putting down those that do believe that)

[lusty merlin]

Ya anytime! I think just typing “sky cotl concept art” will bring a good chunk of the art up. Alef and Resh’s concept designs have like a star head just so you know

[wet totem]

i agree, I never really expected there to be a specific villain.
kinda imagined the corruption was a mistake

[lusty merlin]

yaya like not intentional and all, had the idea it was a byproduct of pollution yet that's more of a headcanon for me

[reef fulcrum]

A interesting thing I noticed is that the Ancestor Spirit who teaches you the Call based on [the hollow, transparent Mantas in the higher floors of Vault] is named "Memory Whisperer".

Now, the word "memory" is already used very specifically in other places throughout the game, so I really don't want to think the Mantas in question are just called "Memories", that seems like it would be a lot redundant. So idk if this means anything, it's just something.

[lyric imp]

I'm pretty sure at this point that eden elder orchestrated the creation of the eden diamond through infusion of a giant darkstone piece with immense amount of creature light to somehow get access to/connect with the Light, but the crystal shattered from the creatures' pain, spontaneously turning to darkness in perma-killing/consuming the eden elder instantly

@wet totem @lusty merlin
One thing i'm not too sure about is why they built it, but access to the Light seems plausable due to eden's unique death sequence and the curvy lines in the eden mural

[desert bobcat]

did ancestors or do skykids have mouths?

since behind the mask we dont see it, but maybe it is just closed

do they have one?

if not, how do they call then?

[sharp lichen]

It’s been debated a lot, I personally am anti-mouth myself, since Skykids don’t need to eat. It also seems like a stylistic choice, since Aurora doesn’t have a mouth in Sky despite having one in real life

[earnest briar]

Anti-mouth is such a hilarious thing to say.

[lyric imp]

Some props have food on them that can be eaten. If sky kids don't have mouths, i'm scared to ask how they do it

[wanton robin]

I'm also anti mouth lol. I think their call comes from the chest, the same way the candle does and kinda like a cat purr

[earnest briar]

Rave you have just unleashed the idea of Sky Kids purring into my mind and I love it

[wanton robin]

Perfect, I have been successful

[cinder crest]

Are Sky Kids considered a separate species entirely to the Ancients? concept art seems to imply so

[earnest briar]

Birds go chirp chirp! Mantas go woo! Sky Kids go prrr! Krills go screech from the depths of hell!

[lyric imp]

Probably

[cinder crest]

How capable were the ancients of doing things like charging up power diamonds etc on their own?
considering they had to collect butterflies etc at first, relatively paltry sources

It looks like Sky Kids have a lot more light than the ancients ever did.

I'm not talking huge machinery. I'm talking about basic things like opening doors, which uses such little amounts of light for Sky Kids that they don't even notice.

[lyric imp]

Wdym by 'charging' power diamonds? If we mean refining darkstone, then def not without creatures. If we mean activating power diamonds, it's been a popular stance here that they couldn't do it easily, but i'd argue it was normal, or at least pretty common for them to have lit candles on them

[fervent knoll]

What video is it, can you send me the link please?

[cinder crest]

Activating them, yes. Hence what I said about opening doors, literally just the equivalent of us conjuring a candle to open doors with, something Sky Kids can easily do.

I have no illusion they could do the bigger things that required extracting light from mantas et al. on their own.

And that makes sense, given how normalized the doors were, that they'd just carry around outside candles to open them, unlike Sky Kids who can just make them on the fly with their own light.

[wet totem]

yes I can, I'll direct message you it

[bitter carbon]

It really makes sense, they have become spirits and are still earning candles from us

One theory I have about Eden Elder is that he made some kind of contract with Magabird. Let Magabird create Sky Kids in his shape, and then the soul is shattered around the world and becomes Wings Light, helping Sky Kids complete its mission to restore the Sky Kingdom.

[lyric imp]

It seems like the ancients' society heavily relied on candles. Red ones might have been a currency, while the white ones are widely used as a power source, e.g. prairie village, near murals, at elder temples, in the last gazebo at broken bridge, etc.

[cinder crest]

Honestly that helps explain the sheer number of candles we see everywhere.

[desert bobcat]

isnt eden elder the king itself?

and since resh is the eden elder and also was raised by the isle elder

wouldnt it make sense for both to be the same person?

also, a glowy kid fell onto the isle of dawn, who could be the king

[cinder crest]

Think the Ancients were able to make candles the same way Sky Kids do? or would they have to be made through more... regular measures?

[sharp lichen]

We see a spirit called Pointing Candlemaker, so it’s implied they had to create it themselves.

I believe candles to be a compact form of light, almost like a light storage

[lyric imp]

Yes+the thing with the king being born in isle is unconfirmed. Every time eden elder appears in cave murals, he's painted in glowing yellow. The winged figure at the starting cave has yellow wings and the rest of its body is light blue

[desert bobcat]

maybe there was a first king/queen/royal form that wasnt a light kind

but was still blessed by light

[lyric imp]

Honestly i've also been thinking how did they do it (esp when there are no bees to make wax) but there is a spirit named pointing candlemaker, telling us that it was a designated profession

[desert bobcat]

i think there are more ways to make wax apart from bees, but the easiest will always be get it already done by other creatures

[cinder crest]

Right. That's fair enough.
There's little point in it being a profession if it's something they all could do.

[lyric imp]

I have an idea that maybe butterflies had something to do with it but tbh it's pure speculation

[cinder crest]

Why do you think so?

[sharp lichen]

I think candles can be made using almost any form of light

[lyric imp]

We later see prairie elder turning flames into a butterfly and there doesn't seem to be anything in isle that wax could have been extracted from

[lyric imp]

Possible

[desert bobcat]

in sky world light is the main resource of almost anything, life, energy, food, drinks

anything can be made of light so...

[cinder crest]

Makes me wonder though, given the Ancients were flightless, and Sky Kid Capes seem to generate automatically when they get a WL (I've always imagined it to be more akin to a body part than a garment tbh), how the whole trend of Ancients wearing capes started.

Did they just see the Prince wearing / flying with one and decide capes are the latest hit fashion because of it?

[lusty merlin]

Think it’s just like a fashion thing, like how some us wear hats and some of us don’t just because

[cinder crest]

Fair enough. I figure it's a fashion thing too, just wondering where the trend may have started, compared to Sky Kids who don't really get much say in the matter of wearing capes or not.

[lusty merlin]

Probably how like most fashion trends start, one finding a use for it that could’ve originally been for conviene and eventually spreading to be more for everyday wear

[cinder crest]

Makes sense.

[desert bobcat]

it seems as our capes are kind of connected to us, maybe our cape is indeed part of ourselves, and gets the shape of however we are feeling like(obviusly after seeing/getting the memory of past capes)

then it would make sense for aurora wings to exist, or tanuki cape, as both are connected to us

[native galleon]

i think of it as like, the winged light needs somewhere to go for it to work, doesn’t matter what but it has to be something

[cinder crest]

Yeah. Hence why I consider them closer to a body part than a garment.

[viral bay]

GUYS Reikha casually dropped lore lmao

[cinder crest]

Poor Grandma

[vocal forge]

Im still thinking about this

[frigid tinsel]

Unlesss the “king” or Eden Elder was the skid that fell in Stargazer’s memories

[hushed steeple]

What if the crystals from the mountains are the same crystals the skykids have when their wl is depleted?

This could explain why we don’t lose or gain any light from the crystals

[native galleon]

We don’t lose or gain any light from the crystals because they absorb light that is given to them, just like the power diamonds that are made of the same material. A form of that material also appears to grow on skykids when hit by darkness, though the reasons for that are up for debate

[earnest briar]

Praise be to our lord and savior Fire Prophet, who has once again returned to grace us with their glorious memey presence!

[sharp lichen]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[fierce adder]

We share the same marks that elders have on their clothes 👀 why is that

[rustic glen]

❮◆❯

[sharp lichen]

[reef fulcrum]

Hey, I don't mean to just come right out to contradict you or shoot you down or anything. This is all just very fascinating to me, and you give me here, a useful starting point to get into it all, and maybe teach you some things. But of course, I want to try and let you know I mean no offense by that, or any of this.

That said: I have spent. Way. Too. Much. Time going back and forth today between thinking about this, and writing it all down. While I'm supposed to be working, lol. This ping might be too cold now, but I started writing this morning; if only I'd had the time to sit down with it...

At this point I've written a pretty good article about Particle Physics and how it applies to Sky, but I don't want to post something like that unprompted (again). Also because I REALLY don't want you to feel like I'm just trying to step on your toes. If you wouldn't feel imposed (and don't mind a little too much reading) let me know if you'd like me to post everything I've put together.

[earnest briar]

Yes yes yes a thousand times yes! Give us the article!

[sturdy oxide]

It’d be nice to read the article and I feel don’t like your stepping on my toes, It was simply just a question and me overthinking about my headcanons about sky’s lore.

[reef fulcrum]

I'm really glad to hear that from you.
I've been overthinking all day, but I've just now realized the very worst part of what I've done...

It doesn't even answer the question you actually asked.

It's like I got hung up on the first half before I had my coffee, and spent the whole day spiraling in my own head over it

I'm gonna clean a few things up, and have it posted in a few minutes.
||React X to shut me up instead ||

[reef fulcrum]

Be careful with this terminology in this post: #lore-discussion-spoilers message
||I just pinged myself here to roll on a chain||
"Light is made of Energy" is absolutely not true, don't let yourself confuse you with it. Start with a basic understanding of what "Energy" actually is.

Einstein's Theory of General Relativity: E=mc²

Energy (E) literally equals Matter (m) multiplied (over itself across [spacetime] either space or time) by the Constant (C) Velocity of Light relative to the speed of the observer; squared (multiplied by itself beforehand).

"Energy" by definition; is not a physical thing that can be used to comprise anything; rather only the movement of physical matter, and how it affects the matter around it. Kinetic Energy is just inertia, Thermal Energy is just Electrons revolving around the Core of Atoms at different speeds (relative to the atoms around it) to create friction which we perceive as heat. Even Electrical Energy is governed by subatomic vibrations in the particles of the wire connected to a Power Source.

The physical material that Light is actually made of is referred to as Photons, and Photons DO NOT move at a general pace. If you're standing still, and a train goes by at 5 miles per hour, it would appear to move at 10 miles per hour if you were instead on a seperate train moving at 5 mph in the opposite direction. Likewise, the other train would not appear to move at all, if both were moving at the same speed; in the same direction. They would keep up with eachother, and stay neck-and-neck all the way.

But Photons do not work like this. They will always appear to be moving at the same speed, to all observers moving at different speeds in any direction. Which sounds completely impossible, if you think about it, but it IS a cold hard fact of the universe that we are forced to cope with.

[reef fulcrum]

Remember: from our perspective; it takes 8 minutes for Light from the Sun to reach our Planet. From the perspective of a theoretical person riding on the back of a Photon (at the speed of light) you would see the Photons around you making the same distance twice as fast; in half the time. Sounds impossible again, but it has been proven with Atomic Clocks moving in orbit (real orbit, around Earth) at percentages of Lightspeed.

This behavior falls under "Special Relativity", which literally contradicts General Relativity in ways that should be impossible in a 3-Dimensional Universe. Whereby Light can effectively exceed the speed of Light (which isn't nearly as impossible as it sounds) beyond Spacetime and into the Fourth Dimension. Which is only technically impossible as far as we can tell from our place in Spacetime, unable to effectively prove or disprove it one way or the other.

One of my favorite things about Sky is that theoretically Photon-Based life - (creatures who we're supposed to believe are "literally made of" Light; if only a conscious, sentient Soul could be bound to a body of Photons) - could take full advantage of Special Relativity. Dancing around Spacetime and the Fourth Dimension like it's literal child's play, and able to do a lot of impossible things without even having to think about it. Including a lot of the bizarre phenomena we can do, see, and take for granted in Sky.

||Now, since I'm up to 6 anyway, I'm closing this whole-honk-honkin BOOK with a friendly reference to some heavy Reading Material; to see if anybody recognizes it...||

"If you've done 6 impossible things this morning;
why not wrap it all up with breakfast at Milliways?
The Restaurant at the End of the Universe!"

[sharp lichen]

So, could this mean that the light-based creatures in Sky warp time so much that Eden looks different depending on where you are and the realms are frozen in time?

I also headcanon that Skykids can't directly control time, or at least don't know how to utilize it, it's just a chaotic side effect of them existing

(also, funnily enough, this is not the first time physics has been used in this channel. MORE PHYSICS TIME YES )

[earnest briar]

You never escape the lorechat physics ride!!!

[reef fulcrum]

"Eden looks different..." Absolutely. Our telescopes can see stars in space at different times in their history, and from different directions by catching the light from them that has bent and bounced around other objects in space. The wretched distortion (nd potentially absurd amount of gravity) surrounding Eden could absolutely be holding light in layers from different periods of time.

Another aspect of Special Relativity is that massive forces of gravity can cause distortions in the "Curvature" that defines an object's balance of movement in space or time. Which DOES affect the Value of (C).

Talk about impossible, Special Relativity is all about distortion.

"Frozen in time" is harder for me to say right now, but "... don't know how to utilize it..." Is a big part of why. Another conversation for another time, I think, having to do with how the mind could cope with immortality...

Back on Frozen Time, it's not actually necessary, for the way that we perceive time. All objects in the universe (theoretically) have a constant velocity in Spacetime. The Curvature I mentioned dictates that if an object (for instance, a photon) has ALL of it's movement balanced in Space; it has no movement in Time. Only by slowing down through space can it actually travel in Time at all. An interesting point about this is that the rate of time passing that Humans perceive is based on the speed at which Earth is hurtling through Space.
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For us to perceive Time in the Realms as static [standing still, or very nearly] could be either that the Realms themselves are hurtling through Space at Lightspeed (not necessarily in any kind of natural spiraling motion similar to Earth's, but potentially towards a hypothetical superheavy mass of Gravity at some central point) or just that we are moving so fast that we exist for what would only seem like a momentary instant to a Carbon-Based observer standing nearby. For us to perceive the movement of anything moving slower than us would require a very delicate balance of our (C) along the Curvature of Spacetime. Necessarily instinctive, and constantly adjusting to interpret whatever we're focusing on, and not necessarily evenly distributed across our entire bodies.

Another interesting thing worth mentioning about a hypothetical superheavy mass of Gravity, even if that Mass were relatively close (Eden, for example, another, extremely localized place on the same planet) the potentially infinite speed at which all nearby matter is falling towards the center, means that it would take a potentially infinite amount of time to reach it.

[sharp lichen]

Oh my god I love these physics text walls so much

[reef fulcrum]

Special Relativity is some amazing science.

[earnest briar]

Physics! Physics! Physics!

[rare lance]

Why physics is so good 😭😭

[reef fulcrum]

The framework behind Sky gives me some of the easiest ways to understand Relativity physics that I've ever seen. It's all so cool and basically comes naturally to the functionality in-game, almost coincidentally.

I keep bringing it up, but like; Third Person Gameplay. We always just take that for granted cause "it's just something that you get in videogames". But in Sky, there's actually a reason, and it doesn't even have anything to do with this theoretical stuff. It's just because "Sight" has to do with absorbing light. Our whole bodies literally absorb light, DUH! If something moves directly behind us, of course we're gonna be able to see it.

Sky just...works in theoretical physics like no other game I've ever played.

[keen shore]

Zero I just want to say that I really love this, it’s absolutely fascinating. The last paragraph on your last post is especially mindblowing, thank you so much

[ripe lotus]

I am speechless when I so the travel spirit that will arrive.
They bring back expensive travel spirit back + the 4 travel spirit I don't know which to choose and what to leave behind,, I get overwhelmed 💔.
TCG developers need reconsider the newbie feeling not crush them , I play this game near one year and get overwhelmed, what about the newbie?! .

The only why to solve this problem is to expand the time of the 4 travel spirit from one week to two weeks 👍. So they can purchase all spirt they wanted👌.

[lusty merlin]

Think you put this in the wrong chat somehow

[lusty merlin]

Yaya! Havent really said much cuz idk how else to contribute to it but it’s really interesting to read!

[keen shore]

I never really think about physics in Sky because I ended up getting sidetracked so hard with dissecting the magic system that I assumed physics came separately to that, but it’s fascinating to see how intertwined they can be, I just never thought to comprehend it like that

[brisk umbra]

what are our capes made out of? they gotta be made out of some very durable material considering the elements they're put through

[keen shore]

Projected light, most likely! they don’t cast a shadow. Weirdly enough, that projected light is tangible, hence why it blows in the wind and keeps us flying and whatnot, but a lot of projected light in Sky is tangible

Can’t talk about those yet as they haven’t been officially announced afaik

[brisk umbra]

oops mb

[nimble ingot]

Not me thinking of a "moth" discount that only works for the first 6 or so spirits for new players only.
Once they have seen enough spirits, the game would not give that discount.

I do hope the game would take up some responsibility in teaching new players on the nuances of the game (how certain things work or the what players come to expect from the game), rather shirking it off to players who are friends (in-game or outside of it) to teach each other.

For example, knowing to manage your candles with saving them up to a certain point is much better than panic running or impulsively buying packs.
It is understandable how cosmetics have a percieved value in the game based on the cost and the game focusing on them so much. However the cosmetics are not supposed to be the main reason to play the game (and by extension spend irl funds on them).

My opinion on them is they should be a reward for taking part in the activities. Even though the balance of the cost versus the daily grind heavily tilts the scales towards either playing the game daily (with or without friends), or paying for the items with real life currency.

[keen shore]

No worries!

[keen shore]

What are your thoughts on how darkstone works? I have to wonder how the concept of a crystal that can contain light and use it as energy fits into here; I’m really curious about that

[nimble ingot]

Theorists here have generally considered that capes are made of light (while other occasional theories were made to explore other options.)

One may imagine the capes are like a candle. Where the flame of the candle does not cast a shadow by itself, as it cannot cast one on the source, however the wik and wax does have a shadow. Therefore a skykid can be similar with the cape acting as the flame.

Gameplay wise though, the devs may have opted to not add shadows for capes. I am not sure on the exact reason. Though would presume they were limited with the coding and technology running the game.
They were able to create a somewhate accurate shadow for the skykid's bodies, although not so with other creatures. As they have circular shadows that are commonly used in games to add realism, even though the shadow is not accurate.
This does suggest the is a good amount of attention to detail the devs are striving towards in the game, despite its limitations.

[native galleon]

the physics stuff is incredible, i'm not sure i completely understand it but i am eating it UPPP

[reef fulcrum]

Well... On one hand, we kindof already have a sort of, rudimentary form of technology that can temporarily contain light, and redistribute it later. You know those little green Glow-in-the-Dark Stars you can stick up on the ceiling? Yeah those. If you want to stop right there; you could say that's basically all that Darkstone actually does, and the only reason it destroyed the Ancestor's Society is because of their Photon-Based biology. You could whimsically theorize that those harmless little stars (to humans) would cause searing, fatal, corrosive, deadly, painful (need I go on) injury to organisms made of Light. Further, that with Living Light pouring into them, that it could develop it's spreading growths, and corrupting effect on lifekind...

But...

I don't want to stop there. I want to believe that Darkstone is a substance, that it is divisible down to the Atomic scale. No matter how many times you divide it, or how small of a piece you break off; it will still be Darkstone. So let's look smaller at what those Glow Stars actually are. The mixture that makes them glow is Phosphorus and Zinc Sulfide. Two seperate particles, floating in transparent plastic. Photons fall into this like empty space and just bounce around inside until you turn the lights out. Phosphorus can't do this by itself, and Zinc Sulfide is a whole Molecule, forget about it. I want to believe that Darkstone is tighter than that. Far more sinister and independent. Denser, and heavier. Everything that Photons aren't.

To really discuss what I think Darkstone is, I need to start from what we already know in our own universe; and Darkstone is effectively he most horrible and destructive thing to ever exist in Sky. So to understand it, I'm gonna talk a little bit about what I think is the single most terrible and violent thing of death that humans have ever unleashed.

||Thermonuclear Weaponry||

[mossy copper]

Question, do we have any confirmation of what megabird looks like?

[nimble ingot]

We have concept art and an ingame mural (and constellation) for reference.

It is essentially a massive cluster of light converging to a point.

I wonder (random thought)

What is megabird's "head" or "eye" is not the thin part where the light joins.
But rather the rounded edge is roughly the 'shoulders' and its Eye is missing.
Which possibly links it to Eye of Eden.

[compact shale]

I have thought of an alternate Sky where you earn the cosmetics by playing a Spirit's questline, which is a bunch of side story quests about their background and such

and ig the candles are just for friends or smth

that would make the game explode though

[uncut pond]

I once had a similar but also different idea

Instead of having the generic "walk through the memories" and "carry quests", reliving spirits would work more like a miniature "seasonal quest", where you would instead have to do more specific tasks that would involve either actually living through the spirit's memory or helping them achieve a wish they couldn't in life, exactly like how seasonal quests work, except you would be reliving regular spirits

[uncut pond]

I find it funny that the discovery and development of nuclear power led to the creation of both the safest, most efficient source of energy we currently have access to, and the most destructive and terrifying weapons we ever built

[earnest briar]

Never thought Sky lore would go into the topic of nuclear weapons but you definitely have my attention now.

[native galleon]

that's a similarity I've noticed as well, particularly with the Eden diamond. whether it was meant to be an energy source or a weapon, it's a manmade thing capable of such a powerful energy that it could literally destroy the world

[lyric imp]

Good god, Zero, what the hell is going on?

[native galleon]

I can also see the similarities between corrupted darkstone and a radioactive material. But as far as we know, raw darkstone is pretty much harmless as long as it stays untouched, whereas something like radium would still be harmful no matter what state it's in.
Do you think exposure to excess light might cause some kind of chemical change that makes it less stable, like the corrupted darkstone in Eden?
What if the refinement process helps stabilize the raw material so the diamond mechanisms can last a long time, but then the waste that's left over is the most toxic and unstable part of the element?
disclaimer: my knowledge of chemistry is like, high school level at best, but this conversation has me curious and if there's a more scientifically sound explanation for this I'd love to hear it

[earnest briar]

Physics!

[lyric imp]

I'm really in the mood for countering others' theories rn...

The wall of text abt physics i was writing got deleted.........

Let's try again

[sharp lichen]

Not one but two physics text walls! I love this

[desert ridge]

I always thought of it as dark stone having a limit of light that it can take, for the most part this never shows up as most constructs have crystals able to contain their light, however the crystal at Eden is for some reason not enough storage to hold all the light it was supposed to, thus “snapping” it into corrupted dark stone which is stuck constantly pulling light

[sharp lichen]

Although Eden does have similar traits to a black hole, it is presented like a nuclear weapon in the story

[desert ridge]

I thought of it as a “vampiric reactor” specifically designed to take light from an incredibly large area, perhaps it was even intentionally corrupted for this purpose but the ancestors underestimated its destructive force

[umbral urchin]

so if eden is a nuke, who built it? or is it a case of spontaneous nuclear fusion, as in the case of the sun?

[grizzled pier]

...eden is oppenheimer?

[desert ridge]

Maybe the constant beam of light from Eden is ambient light being stolen from the entire continent, explaining why we don’t naturally recharge light by being in sunlight

[umbral urchin]

i mean personally i think it would make the most sense for eden to be closer to a thermobaric weapon, if it is a weapon at all, rather than something nuclear, based on the principle that eden takes in light, the same way a thermobaric weapon has to take in a certain amount of oxygen before the detonation reaction can occur.

[native galleon]

The role of darkstone in the *story * has noticeable parallels to nuclear energy (for weapons or otherwise) and fossil fuels, combining aspects of the big bad pollutants we would recognize from the real world, with elements of a black hole, which would be an equally big bad scary thing in a world where all life comes from starlight. Which one it would be most similar to in physical composition, though, I have absolutely no clue.

I hope this makes sense dfslkjhglk I had a little trouble making the words go on this one

[umbral urchin]

i mean, factoring in hawking radiation, that actually makes sense.

[native galleon]

Edenheimer

[lyric imp]

@reef fulcrum
Okay, let's do physics. This seems to have really cought on which i'm not too thrilled about because i have tried this, though hopefully your attempt will be more successful. In my exoerience, trying to understand magical worlds using physics of our world often leads to very weird situations that end up being inexplicable or outright absurd. Let's get to sth more concrete now.
A counterpoint to the comment on energy: while it generally does exist as interactions between matter and seems to be a theoretical thing, the loss of mass during nuclear fission, or combining matter and antimatter shows that matter itself can be construed of in terms of energy, rather than just the other way around. Matter here being a very special form of energy, and energy being far more than a theoretical concept.
Regarding photons, they do have wave-particle duality, but are massless and can't really be called matter. They're fundamentally changes in electric field causing chanbes in magnetic field and vice versa, thus forming an electromagnetic wave that propagates through space. Actual photon-based lifeforms would require stopping this wave in its tracks which sounds questionable to say the least... But it's not completely impossible
https://youtu.be/ONuFonbnIzM

[umbral urchin]

ah, hjönk it, lets slap quantum on the front of something to explain this whole mess like everything else does

[lyric imp]

In regards to darkstone, you described phosphorescence. It absolutely does exist on molecular and atomic scale in our world, but in materials a bit more sophusticated than glowing stickers

[umbral urchin]

wait, phosphorescence? you mean to tell me darkstone is a massive anti-glowstick?
idk why that's so funny to me, but it is.

[lyric imp]

According to Zero Clockwise, seemingly

[keen shore]

Polish, I mean this respectfully, but I think I have never seen you agree with someone else’s idea without arguing against it

[lyric imp]

I appreciate the feedback. It's just that my first instinct is always to look for potential problems with things instead of taking them at face value, so you're mostly right there... Though i agree with Esther on many things, so it's not as bad as it seems... But yeah, you have a point

I generally don't mean to purely discredit certain theories, but shed light on alternatives. There are exceptions though. In case of things like canonicity of 3rd person perspective and lack of time flow in realms, and hence the black hole theory i disagree pretty strongly

[lyric imp]

Is it bad when i mostly point out problems and suggest alternatives instead of agreeing? If so, why? /genuine

[leaden field]

Aaa sometimes lore chat is way too sciency for me to understand
I hope I'll be able to get on most of everybody's level of understanding of this stuff, because it really interests me on how people can interpret things in many different ways. Also I just love sky and learning about it.

[umbral urchin]

yeah, it's a really surreal moment for me too, tbh. most of my time in this server is spent pretending to be a goose who can hardly speak english, and now im debating complex scientific principles in a lore channel

[reef fulcrum]

There's a lot of cool stuff to go over here, and I wanna reply to some of it before I try to break that down...

[reef fulcrum]

This is the damn truth. Not much else to say about that. "Planet of the Human" is a good documentary. Wind farms, and solar panels, all this green energy marketing is an outright lie. If people weren't so stigmatized against the word, Nuclear Power really could change the world.

[reef fulcrum]

Raw Darkstone is not nearly as powerful (afaik) and Uranium undergoes a lot of refinement to hit 238, too. It could be that the refinement process is actually what gives it such intense light-absorbing properties, thereby making it useful, but also making it dangerous.

And I definitely think excess light is a major problem. Not necessarily a chemical reaction, but it's something I will talk more about.

(oh, I didn't actually mention uranium yet, oh well, that comment might've had more gravity if I had) heh heh

[reef fulcrum]

"...ends up being inexplicable or outright absurd..."
Yeah, usually, but it's like I said. Sky just coincidentally seems to "work".

"...energy being far more than a theoretical concept."
You're gonna have to take that paragraph up with Einstein. Until you can disprove the "Theory of General Relativity" in a vacuum, the fact is that all science is theoretical.

"Actual photon-based life would require stopping this wave in it's tracks..."

Not necessarily. When I mentioned instinctively controlling our (C) it was something that came to mind without putting in words. Even if a particle is only vibrating it is still effectively movement. Our bodies seem to glow warm, if not outright hot, telling me there's a lot of vibration going on in or between the Atoms between photons. The Solvent, as it were. The Photons may be bouncing around between the Atoms, or waving around every Atom through the tiny empty space between the Nucleus and the outer shell of spinning Electrons. Ooh, that's actually a mathematically stimulating image in my head now. I'm gonna go with that one.

[reef fulcrum]

That's exactly why I offered that explanation first, lol. It is definitely whimsical.

[oblique cedar]

Nothing too "lore" related, but I can't be the only one who's noticed this, right?

[cinder crest]

Who are they? they look like spirits from the isle of dawn from the image, but memory bad oops

[lusty merlin]

Based on the film I do think they’re the same spirits, the child in the trailer could also be the one seen ingame which would make a lot of things intersting if that turns to be the case

[lyric imp]

You're gonna have to take that paragraph up with Einstein. Until you can disprove the "Theory of General Relativity" in a vacuum, the fact is that all science is theoretical.
Could you please reiterate how what you said is derived from general relativity? I'm not sure i followed this step. As far as i understand physics, light, as a fluctuation in electromagnetic field, either way can exist in a vacuum, without matter

Not necessarily. When I mentioned instinctively controlling our (C) it was something that came to mind without putting in words. Even if a particle is only vibrating it is still effectively movement. Our bodies seem to glow warm, if not outright hot, telling me there's a lot of vibration going on in or between the Atoms between photons. The Solvent, as it were. The Photons may be bouncing around between the Atoms, or waving around every Atom through the tiny empty space between the Nucleus and the outer shell of spinning Electrons. Ooh, that's actually a mathematically stimulating image in my head now. I'm gonna go with that one.
Sounds like you kinda described the thing in the video i sent, suggesting sky kids do advanced chemistry and physics on command within their bodies. Extremely weird, but kind of possible, i suppose. If we mean light bouncing around the skykids' structure, we could expect ourselved to lose energyas we radiate the portion of light that happens to escapw.
Still unsure how to connect this with corrupted darkstone sucking our light out, so i'd be interested in clarifying how that happens.

My main thing is that you often seem to be going for things that are visually stimulating, while not always perfectly adding up. In most cases it's not a problem, but i feel like when we do less scientific lore, things can be explained with saying that Sky world works in a fundamentally different way than our world. When we do our world physics, we have no simple explanation like that, so it seems to me that the model has to be airtight

It just feels like the wall texts i'm reading here are more akin to populars science books, as long as everything relating to our world physics is interpreted correctly. Maybe it was me not understanding what you said, but it seemed that the stuff about energy in relation to mass was misinterpretation of general relativity. As i said, it may be me and if you manage to explain it, i'll happily admit that i was wrong on this

[whole stag]

I’ve done some research and within the bounds of real physics I’ve created this theory - The capes work on black-body radiation energy where light is generated by inherent heat from sky kid’s bodies (they are genetically diff species). The black-body radiation energy is stored inside cape’s wing buffs, hence more the number of buffs more energy is store and hence more time we can flap like bird. The lift is generated just like birds do it, nothing crazy is going on there, it’s rather simple. The only complex part is the composition of wing buffs and how do they store and regulate that radiation energy.

Also since the sky kids bodies radiate heat, that’s why they are susceptible to rain water. Now there comes a problem or plot hole with this - Cuz rest of the water does’t drain the heat of Sky Kids just like rainwater does which is weird imo.
The only explanation I can think to this is - Rain water is not simple rain water but laced with the same substance as “darkness” which makes crabs, krills and water in wasteland. Such substances acc to laws of physics do exist that can capture black body radiation emitting from other objects and hence draining em.
While normally water or cold doesn’t affect sky kids since Heat is inherent and they have thermoregulation in place just like we humans do but at a far greater level sky kids are able to radiate that heat into energy form too.

[upper mortar]

The Vault Nudibranch
also known as the Cosmic Sea Slug, is a fascinating soft-bodied bioluminescent creature discovered on the 5th floor of The Vault. Its translucent body is adorned with shimmering particles, commonly found in the higher realms of this domain. This extraordinary species appears to be endangered, which explains why it is being carefully preserved within the vault. As evidenced here, there are two smaller Cosmic Sea slugs accompanying the larger one, possibly indicating that they are its offspring.

[reef fulcrum]

Yeah, this is like Play Science. It feels like real science the way these things feel like you're really cooking.

The closer you get to looking like the way it would look if you were actually frying those egg; the more dopamine you get. So you're definitely right that I'm just going for what's more appealing, then just trying to justify it with theoretically physics. Sure it gets tricky, but writing it off with "..works in fundamentally different way..." Is just what you do when you don't wanna play with science this way. Personally, I'm just too manic for that.

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Omg i pinged the wrong comment, I'm so sorry! [Deleted]

[reef fulcrum]

||[Going up your post by paragraph... i really wish I knew how to bar a quote like that]||

I still haven't watched the video you posted, I'm sorry, it got overlooked. I wasn't sure on the rules for posting links like that myself, but it's something I might take advantage of moving forward. Another thing about this paragraph I really like is "...we could expect ourselves to lose energy as we radiate the portion of light that happens to escape." I'm kinda grateful you said this because it ties into two other questions I wanted to answer from before, but never got the chance to.

Last this I want to say rn is about General Relativity. I cling really hard to it because it's currently the best model we have for how things in the universe are affected by other things... Until it isn't. Once you get too small, and too fast, it's like General Relativity goes out the window, and scientists don't really know why. All of Science is theoretical. It's only "true" as long as you can repeat the same steps and get the same result. Of course there are gonna be air gaps when you try to apply theoretically physics in a hypothetical space where thing are always guarantee to work the same with without explanation.

That's part of the fun. Making it to the next trick, and leaving room for people to have different interpretations that may have fewer holes. For instance; I'm definitely not convinced on the Black Hole thing, like you mentioned before. It's not in my bag of tricks rn, but I'm open to suggestion. Maybe once I post that massive thing about my perceived parallel between Nukes and Darkstone, it'll illustrate a bit why I think Eden is more of an EXplosion than an implosion. But I honestly don't know if that will be today. It's gonna be a busy day for me.

[remote plinth]

Kinda wanna ask what server that makes other players just can't be warp at , so I'm in really uncomfortable with it since maybe some even server splits on the location and also because full server but usually some location took like hidden ones that can't be warp at not sure

Maybe oob but with maybe others can specify here ? Also yea dunno since it's kinda odd that I'm half heartedly answering my questions

[pastel brook]

the mysterious and all-powerful Skybot sees all! ...also, i'm stuck in the mods' basement again, can you let me out?

[ocean saddle]

no

[royal cargo]

man I walk in here and there's a bunch of skids with lab coats on

[lyric imp]

It's pretty well established that generally it's not water, but darkstone pollution in the water that takes away our light, so you're onto something there. An exception is the freezing water in the water trial. I'm wondering how does the radiation part work. We lose energy in proximity to things that suck out out light. Based on your explanation, we radiate at a constant rate. Why does it make a difference whether something absorbs the light that we emit anyway? Or do those things increase the rate of emission? Or sth else entirely?

[cinder crest]

Makes me wonder about the rain though. Rain is usually pretty pure.

[lyric imp]

Links showing hacks or amy kind of non-sky self promotion are not allowed, links aside from that are ok.
To do that block quote thingy, use '> ' at the beginning of the quoted paragraph.
General relativity seems just a little incomplete, hence all the physicists trying to come up with the theory of everything... To some success, i suppose. I didn't mean to question either general relativity or standard model, but i was trying to say that the physical interpretation of e=mc^2 is probably more that mass literally is energy rather than energy being interactions of mass. This part seems to add up with quantum field theory, where iirc not just photons, but all particles are fluctuations of their respective fields that differ in properties, particularily spin. It kind of lines up with Sky's apparent lack of conservation of mass, with spirit statues disintegraating and sky kids doing god knows what upon rebirth, color lights doing their thing, cosmic mantas spawning out of nowhere, etc. While the main underlying mechanisms in sky seem to be based on associations, there could be sth to explain how they work

[cinder crest]

The water in the forest stops leeching your light once the rain stops too, despite the fact any pollutants in the rain wouldn't go away and would remain in the water for at least a while before draining. It's weird.

[sharp lichen]

1. Full server

2. The entirety of the Eye of Eden

3. Realms you haven’t unlocked yet

4. For things like the Trials, it would say “in the middle of a challenge”

[cinder crest]

The entirety of the Eye of Eden

Wait, including the first two areas?

[sharp lichen]

I think so

[reef fulcrum]

I wish I understood String Theory a little bit. It goes beyond relativity, and smaller than Subatomic. I wanna know how Boson particles can affect eachother over potentially infinite distances with no apparent tether between them. Talk about associations, and "all particles" having their own fluctuations. Everything is connected, and Sky has a lot of metaphors about cycles. I'm sure there gotta be dots to connect.

[nimble ingot]

Yes.
Entering the realm makes your skykid inaccessible to other friends trying to join you.

[reef fulcrum]

||Credit for this belongs to my younger brother @electriclights [don't know why I can't Ping him here???] I asked him to make this, and he was more than happy to. So take it as read that it's posted with permission. He just stull can't post on this server yet because of buggy discord issues.||

[cinder crest]

What you expect: talk of the ancients or megabird or what have you

What you get: theoretical physics

[sharp lichen]

This is not the first time this has happened

Lorechat has become mathchat more than one time

[lyric imp]

Pure gold

[royal cargo]

WHO DARES PING ME oh wait ok -OK THATS FUNNY BAHAHAA

[cloud crescent]

there is also another one in the background that can be see when a call is used

[lyric imp]

Pure speculation time:
Assuming this isn't an overlooking, there could be darkstone cycle or sth, just like there are cycles of elements in our world. Darkstone particles in rain fall to the ground. They seep into the earth and get trapped in certain areas, possibly ones with high concentration of light? In such placesdarkness plant grow, as a form of light trapped in darkness. Plants are burned and the darkstone particles inside them escape into the atmosphere and are then dissolved in cloud water droplets. Due to the particles getting trapped and concentrated in some specific places, most of the water there is decently pure, or at least not poisonous

[cinder crest]

Hmm.
Sounds like a good enough explanation, it would at least serve to take out excess contamination in the water so it isn't all just completely noxious.

[keen shore]

YEAH THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS IM SO EXCITED FOR THE ANIMATION PROJECT

[cinder crest]

It would also serve to explain why the Forest and Wasteland are filled with Darkness Plants and ||Eden|| isn't. Forest has constant rain that would keep waterways etc fresh, and Wasteland is next to an ocean so it should have at least some contaminated precipitation from that.

||Eden|| meanwhile is completely, painfully dry due to the ||storm|| keeping out any forms of precipitation. The winds would probably scour away any plants attempting to form too.

[earnest briar]

The weird thing is that storms usually have rain, unless it’s something like a hailstorm (which is frozen water) or a dust storm. I’m wondering how the honk we could feasibly end up getting a rock storm of all things.

[lyric imp]

In all honesty, i think there's sth different, and a bit simpler going on there. Notice how every time you burn plants, butterflies appear. Darkness plants are strongly hinted to be light trapped in darkness. They can't form in eden bc there's just no light whatsoever to be trapped

[cinder crest]

Hmmm...
Right, right. That makes sense then.

[nimble ingot]

Fun fact.
Eden once had dark plants. although this was all the way back in light Awaits.

Eden these days may not have thes eplants, presumably because they sould have dropped wax while eden notoriously does not have wax.

That is unless you have cleansed a shard that day and happen to have traveled to eden to see any red shard were broken and have wax

[nimble ingot]

There is cocnept art that suppost this idea.

Darkness that contains light for skykids to release.

[lyric imp]

Nice, didn't know about it

[earnest briar]

Actually now that I think about it, Eden’s conditions remind me more of a hurricane or tornado than traditional rain storms.

[open loom]

if I remember correctly, I've seen someone analyze isle's clouds, and notably they shared the appearance of wht would you see before a storm

[earnest briar]

The Eden diamond keeps the storm sustained by providing it energy, like how warm air helps hurricanes form and stay together, and the high-speed winds pick up expelled chunks of it/tear off chunks of it which get thrown around everywhere.

[nimble ingot]

The eden diamond seemingly spins so fast that it may also act as a turbine to keep the storm going.

This reminds me of how black holes behave.
The amount of energy they put out causes such a strong gravitational pull that not even light can escape it.

[desert bobcat]

are the "flaps" or "wedges" canon in SKY?

Like, skykids have limited flight and light per moments

[native galleon]

Wasteland had rain during days of bloom, it was contaminated but somehow it still helped the flowers grow

[cinder crest]

Probably to some degree or another. I doubt they'd have infinite energy to fly with.

But how much of it exactly is purely for game mechanic's sake we can't be sure of.

[desert bobcat]

maybe they just reused the one on forest but forgot to make it non-toxic/ maybe all rain in sky world is toxic at some degree by now

[native galleon]

Hold up @cinder crest I just recognized that username -

[keen shore]

This is speculation, but I always assumed the diamond explosion resulted in so much rock debris that it got caught up in the wind around it. It exploded at the top of a mountain, and may have blown off the summit (although the summit might’ve already been floating, we don’t know, long story) so it’s not too weird.

The thing that bothers me the most is where the wind came from

[cinder crest]

Shockwaves from the crystal kicking up heavy winds?
Some kind of localized pressure system around the crystal?

[desert bobcat]

if crystal is like a turbine, wouldnt it be the source of wind? as a tornado?

[cinder crest]

Probably. But given all the rocks falling in the vicinity of the crystal...
They'd have to be kicked up by some kind of winds.
If it came from the crystal it'd make sense as to why the rock fall is densest near the crystal.

[desert bobcat]

maybe it could just be energy being expelled by the crystal, as it has so much charge, it even glows red

[cinder crest]

Maybe. That's what the small crystals probably are after all. Shards of rock and energy expelled by the big one.

[earnest briar]

Wait, you know what? The Eden Diamond is kind of like a volcano! You've got the volcanic lightning, the earthquakes, the massive destruction to the area around it, the eruptions in the form of shards, and it can cause massive aftereffects to places even far away from it.

Hear me out. What if all the jokes about Krills and burnt shrimp are actually true? The Diamond's eruption caused them to turn black and bony because that's all that survived when they got burnt. The stuff coming off of them as they fly around isn't darkness particles, but ash.

[cinder crest]

The volcano parallel is probably intentional. Though I do wonder how you would get 'burnt' by darkness.

[earnest briar]

Well, judging by what we know it's plausible the Diamond was used to harness light. When it went kaboom, all the light inside went haywire. Where there is light, there's heat. And where there's heat, there's the ability to burn.

[cinder crest]

And then that heat charred anything organic in the vicinity.

[earnest briar]

Basically the Krills aren't dark as in the absence of light, but dark as in they got really cooked.

[upper mortar]

Hold up, if fire recharges Skids (evidenced by the fact that skids are literally drawn to fire when their charge is low)

Shouldn't Eden make skids 100 times stronger if it's supposedly "hot"?

[desert bobcat]

but are light creatures really "organic"?

like, we turn into statues, and spirits are relived from statues too, arent we and ancestors like light creatures?

[cinder crest]

I assume any light the thing had was expelled ages ago.
And ok, 'alive' not organic here. Sky Kids at least probably aren't.

[desert bobcat]

is recharging again as we go to eden, what if we ascending means we are making posible a second eruption?

[cinder crest]

I mean the light is going to the sky kids that are dead at Eden and not the crystal.
Especially since the Crystal probably still does process some amount of light to power all the things it does still, considering the huge pillar of light it sits in.

It just wouldn't have excess to spell as light / heat.

[earnest briar]

Yep, that's the idea I have. The Diamond is essentially trying to recharge itself to where it was before by attempting to suck more light in to catastrophic effect. We are literally drawn like moths to a flame to it. We might know it's not safe, but we're still going to it anyways.

[desert bobcat]

you think crystal has some kinda of "conciusness"?
like, maybe it got inside some spirits that merged as light and gave it some conciusness and will to live(and without light creatures kinda die, so it might be trying to not consume whole)

[cinder crest]

There's not really anything to indicate that IMO.
Especially since if it had conciousness and just wanted to collect as much light as possible, it'd probably do that better by not turning the area around it into a wasteland utterly devoid of any semblance of light.

@hushed steeple Prince of the Ancient's Kingdom.

[hushed steeple]

Who is Alef?

[desert bobcat]

maybe is not as a conciusness as ours, but more of a survival instinct

like, the crystal tries to not consume itself, but doesnt know how to use resources on a better way

just like animals

[cinder crest]

Maybe. It's possible I guess, but I don't think there's much to indicate it.

[desert bobcat]

we kind of went from crystal storm to crystal conciusness theories

life as we know it we dont know where it came from, maybe it is like a case of expontaneous creation

[cinder crest]

Given light seems to be the energy of most life in the world it's definitely possible. The question is would it happen in something like the crystal which has energy constantly glowing in and out of it in massive quantities.

[desert bobcat]

maybe if light is stored for so much time, until it starts to drain by itself just cause of sustain

as life need some kind of energy to sustain itself

[cinder crest]

Given what it's doing to the world around it I doubt it'd care much for that kind of thing to be honest lmao

[desert bobcat]

maybe it cant "care" as it is just a survival instinct, as i said, maybe is not concius of its surroundings

and of what happens around it

also, it is just a crystal, it has no eyes, ears or any mean to know what happens around it

[lusty merlin]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message went more into detail here, they’re basically a vauge figure we see in sky, though their name is only from concept art

[soft timber]

You called me too?

[cinder crest]

Chipception

[native galleon]

hm?

[cinder crest]

You said you recognized my username

[native galleon]

yeah im checking now and it was definitely you! you commented on my ao3 and it made my day!!

[cinder crest]

I'm glad!

[lyric imp]

Gravitational pull is caused by their mass tho, not the energy they put out

[lyric imp]

Imo yes. WL act both as an animating force and light energy storage, though i'd say the general idea is canon, not necessarily exact mechanics

[cinder crest]

Do you think if a Sky Kid managed to get enough light storage from an alternate source they'd be able to fly with that? Given just regular light sources refill your energy.

Or would flight be a specific property of Winged Light, since you said it acts as an animating force? Obviously at least in-game WL are the only way to increase storage.

[fading pier]

I'm new to sky lore, anyone wanna dump em on to me I wanna learrrrnnnnn

[lyric imp]

I'm pretty sure most of it was in a sense intended, the entire similarity to a volcano, but i wouldn't take it this literally. I'm not sure shards are hot in a literal sense, but perhaps the energy expelled from the crystal could act essentially like a volcanic eruption

[lyric imp]

Except iirc virtually all associations with fire and light in the game are positive. It kinda sounds weird if this one time something getting burnt did signifficant harm. Sky kids for example recharge very quickly in fire, so imo it's more likely that other light creatures are also immune to it

[lusty merlin]

Here’s a basic lore doc made by some of the members here that would break most of the things down, though it goes into mostly surface level stuff https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

[fading pier]

Tysm omg

[lyric imp]

Imo it's near certainly conscious. Its consciousness is the amalgamate of all the spirits/lights of creatures that were sacrificed in its creation (consider: shard memories and their associated poems, animal spirits that we free when doing shards, general history of power diamonds). It's just that the consciousness trapped within at some point couldn't bear the weight of those memories and spontaneously turned to darkness.

[desert bobcat]

ohhh, interesting

[cinder crest]

Ahhh, interesting

[lyric imp]

In a nutshell, imo it's an immense amount of light trapped in a cage of darkness consisting of its own pain. That's why in the void of shattering we could see both ancient light and ancient darkness

[cinder crest]

That's actually really sad...

[lyric imp]

Though probably the diamond had at least some light absorbing properties before the shattering. I suspect it could consume the light of anything it touched, which was how so many animals could be lured by it leading up to its prime
#lore-discussion-spoilers message
The poems essentially describe the scenes of creatures right before them getting consumed after being lured by the diamond. The shard memories are their memories. Elder and krill memories are still their memories, but after being trapped in the crystal

[cinder crest]

Carrying memory of all that was held In the final moment of shattering

Okay yeah reading that I definitely see what you're getting at.
Also does hint as to what our purpose might be if we're releasing light near the crystal... beyond just cleansing the land from darkness, at least. Those souls trapped in the crystal are arguably the biggest victims of all.

[lyric imp]

Yeah

[gray berry]

i created a new account on sky, on the ps4 version the wall murals have subtitles? not sure if this is new or a platform specific thing, this might explain the story better

[lyric imp]

I have also revisited isle today on android and the ones in the first cave of isle did have subtitles, i also thinm it's new. No idea when it was added

[sharp lichen]

I think the Void of Shattering definitely is

[lusty merlin]

They’ve always had them

[sharp lichen]

It’s been there ever since the new intro around 2022

[lyric imp]

0_0

[lusty merlin]

Oo so it wasn’t there when the game launched?? That’s weird but I guess it makes sence so it’s less ambiguous

[lyric imp]

I started at shattering and tbh don't remember it, but that might just be me

[sharp lichen]

The first one in 2019 had the old “Painting” intro cutscene, but no wall murals in Isle: https://youtu.be/3dNShWJ0jiY

[lusty merlin]

Wait no I think it was earlier, I joined mid prince in 2021 and I definitely remmeber the murals for the intro having subtiltles

[sharp lichen]

I believe 2022 was when we got the new subtitles. But I think in the oldest intros, there were no subtitles

But the PS4 edition definitely has the subtitles, since it’s new

[lusty merlin]

Yeray that makes sence

[spiral vault]

Of course I do

[spiral vault]

You know I'm so hungry for light

[spiral vault]

I am spinning round round, baby round round

[reef fulcrum]

My impression is that the Crystal at Eden ALWAYS had it's own independent consciousness, even before it was corrupted.

[reef fulcrum]

Read into my Photon-based-lifeform theories.

[reef fulcrum]

Building on #lore-discussion-spoilers message ; the Spirits we free from the Shards are the Victims of the Darkstone who's light was Stolen. In my consideration, they are not necessarily "part of" the sentience of the Crystal itself.

[reef fulcrum]

I think the small, clear Crystal we see in the Void is what's left of the Crystal's own Soul. Ripped away from it's "body"; now a decaying corpse.

The memories would then be the Crystal's itself. Moments from different parts of it's life; before and after it's corruption, and leading up to it's death.

[sharp lichen]

My thought was that when the Eden Elder fell into the diamond, their soul got corrupted by all the memories of the Void of Shattering, creating this strange hybrid of memories

[nimble ingot]

Why does that sound a lot like Gaster's origin in Undertale? /j

[spiral vault]

You realize me /j

[dreamy juniper]

It always seemed to me like skykids might be made out of clay, maybe it's like a Prometheus thing where the flame brings them to life?

[reef fulcrum]

Something I've talked a lot about recently; Photon-Based Life.

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

"Clay" is one of the substances I listed as a potential "solvent", but if you're interested in my deeper thoughts about it, maybe it's less easy for me to try and repeat it all.

[flint swan]

Here’s a little something I noticed:
During the season of flight events; when the wind paths are in danger due to the wasteland, our skykid, during a cutscene, does this emote —>
I think this is very interesting, our skykid seems to be scared of elements pointing towards darkness (I.e. wasteland, eden)
I don’t know what this implies, but it sure is interesting

[desert ridge]

I personally find it more likely that we are made of a material with similar properties to dark stone

[sharp lichen]

That’s interesting, it’s one of the very few times Skykids do an emote without our input, implying that they’re not just player self-inserts

[spiral vault]

They scared me hehe

[desert ridge]

Specifically because of our very similar coloration with dark stone, and it would also explain how our capes and cosmetics are maibted with light, we act as a conduit for light to enter those areas

Uh oh

[reef fulcrum]

You keep dropping really powerful comments having to do with my nuclear thing, but the more I think about it, the less I actually wanna post the whole thing. I think I scared myself while writing it a little bit, and it's just too much about Nukes, and not Sky... But I'm getting off track.

There are definitely major similarities between Darkstone and the Matter that holds Skids together, but not enough to positively confirm that they are the same material. For now, I can only be sure that most important similarly between the two materials is that both must have an outstandingly high Atomic Weight. Dense, heavy Atoms with some measure of gravity only significant enough to affect Photons.

[desert ridge]

Hence why I say similar properties, the biggest issue is that dark stone seems to be more gem-like where our skids feel more organic

[reef fulcrum]

Glossing over some of the Nuke stuff, Uranium²³⁸ is already a honking heavy atom. I think "Refined" Darkstone is just an Atom so much more ridiculously heavy that it bends the Spacetime Curvature, and retains Photons by force.

[nimble ingot]

I have my suspicions that season could have been changes either late in its development, or as the season was in the live game and later quests were changed before they were released.
What makes me think that is the teaser and concept art were very much bird oriented. The cosmetics were themed after bird wings and feathers. There were hints at an elder bird in one of Ash's artworks that were seemingly did not make to the final release (which is a real shame).
Even the quests of the season apparently were building up to something related to the birds and the darkness in Eden.

This is just a theory as there is little confirmation, just observation and speculation based on events in and outside of the game.
There was a nod to the krill in the season with one of the cutscenes showing the wind path lit up with blue and red light. Those are iconic to the krill, which is further supported by the subtle sounds of them in the cutscene. This may be what skykids were afraid of.

Each season since Season of Enchantment had a storyline players can pick up by reading in between the lines. This is how we can uncover the meaning behind each season.
The quests started with the bells, then the bird stealing the bells, larger birds were getting caught in the wind paths, and then the season makes an odd turn with the sudden addition of mantas. The final quest barely had the bird theme as the tiny birds were trapped in the plants (personally, I hoped to see this quest pan out differently, as the concept of light creatures caught in a dark plant is not new. The 'save the manta from the dark plant' mechanic has been well established and felt like it was just dropped into the quest, with the mantas swapped out for birds with buggy animations)
Important note: this is strictly criticism of an old season that the devs have done well in, despite these issues I found odd. And the work they done has improved in every season after the last.

TLDR: there may be more to the season than what we got

[desert ridge]

I prefer wooogy woogy game magic because trying to apply actual physics to games such as Sky almost never work

[sharp lichen]

It seems like it could work here though

[desert ridge]

A being with enough mass to bend light to such a significant amount would be way too massive to not affect the world around us more

Also if you put too many skids together, you would just get a black hole

[reef fulcrum]

I will make. It. Work. Because Mental Gymnastics are fun, and Sky gives me a creative outlet for my critical overthinking.

[reef fulcrum]

Mass is seperate from Density, and Gravity is based on the relationship between the two. All you need to warp a Photon is enough Gravity.

My proposal is that Pure Darkstone is an Atom so perfectly dense; that it excerpts a force of Gravity which is exactly enough to draw in Photons, but not enough to have noticable effect on any Solid Atoms.

Gravity draws the Light in, and like a 'Subatomic Greenhouse Effect' they are unable to escape through the thick wall of Electrons revolving around a Darkstone Atom's Nucleus.

[desert ridge]

Light is the last thing to really be affected by gravity

Also why are we bending light in the first place, is that how you think we recharge?

[nimble ingot]

Random but interesting thought (or an apithany)
I have did a bit of dumpster diving and found an anime that could likely parallel the themes in Sky.
Aside from that though here is a theory I shall take as possible lore tidbit that answered this question:

Why is the rain in Sky toxic to skykids, but not the water?
And, why are the trees seemingly dead with little to no branches and leaves? (while avoiding the game design argument)

What if the clouds in Sky carry a piece of darkness that is toxic in a fluid state, while the gaseous (cloud) form is too little to harm skykids, as the light reflected from the sun/moon/ambient light in the world, counters this as it charges skykids.
While the Hidden forest may have once held a thriving ecosystem that was decimated by the darkness poisoning the area. The trees sacrificed themselves with trying to absorb the darkness in the water. Which ended up killing the trees and yet the water on the ground is neutralised of darkness.
Since the realm constantly rains, the darkness in the drops themselves still poison the area which in turn hurts skykids. While the water in the soil continue to purify itself.
Thankfully not all life is gone as it seems, since we do find lightblooms on the trunks. Which implies in a scientific way the trees still have access to nutrients, just the upper areas are pelted by poisonous dark rain.

That said, I wonder if this may have affected the lumber industry for the ancestors in their life times?
If yes, they may explain why they were chopping down trees in other realms. While the Lightseekers were trying to correct this by planting saplings.
If no, something else must have happened to lead ancestors to use up resources and pollute the realms (as seen in the passage quest with miners littering) and wasteland in general.

[dull valve]

i wonder if skids have photosynthesis, because they do recharge from light

[nimble ingot]

If so, they are likely divine/magical plant like beings.

However, one can also argue that magical beings sometimes dont need food or drink to live and yet are not plants.

[spark island]

Good point.

Biologically speaking they don't contain green pigment (chlorophyll) so they can't photosynthesise

Photosynthesis is made up of 2 stages so technically 50% but photosynthesis requires both stages to occur for the plant to survive.

[dull valve]

there replies are very interesting, but unfortunately i am not big brain to say something back

[sharp lichen]

To me, light is practically like health/stamina to Skykids.

[nimble ingot]

Bouncing off that thought.

It is possible other universe's version of photosynthesis (if any or if they have their own equivalent).
The green pigment may occur as a different colour either due to radiation of the light, chemistry or due to magical influence.

(this is not siund science btw. I may be wrong here).

[sharp lichen]

it's very interesting how the light meter is like a fusion of the health bar and stamina bar found in most games

[nimble ingot]

For light creatures (especially skykids)

Light = Life energy

[reef fulcrum]

Now that you mention it, yeah that might make sense, too. Rn I was mostly saying that's how Darkstone works. Besides Gravity (and "magic" ) there's not really another universally constant force which can do this.

As far as recharging, you can actually see glowing particles floating towards you when you stand next to a torch or something. Also, if Wax flies from a Candle, but not quite straight at us (or we're running past them at the right speed) they will often spiral around us a few times before reaching us.

"Everything small is just a smaller version of something big" and we can see macro versions of both of these phenomena in real existence. Both according to the behavior of Gravity between Celestial Bodies of different size, mass, and density.

Understand, the minute I can start assigning Sky Physics from Celestial Bodies; I am HOOKED

[dull valve]

i had a small thought that maybe the rain drops are pretty much like acid but when they touch the lake/river waters their acidity (not sure if thats a real word) disappears

[nimble ingot]

Sky meta may relate to acid rain in real life.

That is a valid argument 👍

[desert ridge]

Those floating particles could be floating towards us for a whole host of reasons

[nimble ingot]

(micro/light) Gravity, perhaps?

[desert ridge]

Could be similar to electromagnetism

[spark island]

Could it be because rain comes from clouds that block out the light (I know its not 100%) whereas water reflects it?

So the rain itself blocks the light as it is the source whereas water in the lakes/rivers only act as a reflectant of light

gotta bring in some science...ngl though pretty sure tgc lore devs didn't think we'd dive in this far lmao

[dull valve]

dont mind my dum dum brain but acid rains exist?

[desert ridge]

Light magic in sky is science to the ancestors

[nimble ingot]

Possibly. Or they could have been left over debris from the Dark storm.

The game has not really explained that to us.
Hence the speculation and theories.

[spark island]

Yup. Acid in the rain is created when toxic chemicals react with water in the air creating acid rain.

It is harmful over periods of time as it can wear away statues and structures. E.g. limestone statues, (you can see sometimes the statue faces are worn away because of the acid rain)

Although you hear acid in the rain, it's not physically harmful to us humans as the acidity is so small that it doesn't make a difference to us unlike very strong acids (e.g. car batteries/ stomach acid)

Hope that's understandable?

[dull valve]

i see, tysm for explaining!

[dull valve]

or the rain drops could be boiling hot?

[lusty merlin]

I don’t think so since we have shivering trailblazer and all

[spark island]

Hm well the physics wouldn't work there since boiling water would turn to steam especially if its raindrops could be a theory tho

[desert ridge]

Perhaps dark water in forest is at a low enough concentration that it doesn’t hurt us but the raindrops fall at enough speed that the dark stone gets slightly imbedded in us

[spark island]

Maybe sky kids are made of light and soft clay so stones get stuck into us easily when we lose light

[reef fulcrum]

"Acid Rain" is termed that way from the PH Scale, which is used to measure the purity of water (or something like that). "7" is measured as the neutral Center, with one side being more acidic, and the other Alkaline.

[lyric imp]

I recall some comment either in some trailer or sth said by the devs, not entirely sure: 'the weight of the memories of the past can be too much ever for a mountain' or sth like this. What that implied was that the shard memories were crystal's memories and were the reason it shattered. Devs also made a comment how they wanted to make shards a part of the game from the beginning, so canonically they probably were always a thing.
Another thing - in Sky, consciousness/soul seems to often be associated with light. I imagine the crystal became conscious because of absorbing creatures' light, but maybe it's for a different reason. But if so, why do you think it could be conscious?

[dull valve]

im not a physics guy so im not sure

[dull valve]

i see, my brain gets bigger every second

[spark island]

We shall flood your brain with SCIENCE

[sharp lichen]

I like this theory the most.

I compare it to a rock. For humans, stepping on a rock won’t do much. But hundreds of rocks falling from the sky constantly will probably hurt you a lot.

It’s the same for Skykids with water, I hope the analogy helps

[reef fulcrum]

Because I don't think it was always Dark. I want to think the Diamond was once a Pure, omg I think I just thought of something.

[spark island]

It could be that shards were an important factor in the sky lore maybe a stabiliser of some sort but somehow forest elder found some corruption that could be used to deplet light which developed throughout valley and wasteland.

(Valley probs capturing mantas to experiment and wasteland experimenting and producing prototypes possibly using water as we often see crabs and krills in the water)

[reef fulcrum]

What if, before it was Dark, it wasn't a Diamond? It was just a massive conglomerate Light Source of some kind?

The cataclysm potentially occuring because the foolish king had constructed the most Incredible piece of Refined Darkstone in a god-awful attempt to harness it?

[lyric imp]

If sky kids can trap photons by sheer gravity, that would make them pretty much black holes lmao
Not even kidding rn. If this light trapping theory was true, it'd probably have to be by different means

[nimble ingot]

Any star (celestial body with gravity) can attract things to it.

[reef fulcrum]

Unless they instinctively manipulate their density at specific points in their body.

[lyric imp]

That's why servers hold up to 8 people. Any more would create a black hole and destroy the realm. That why festival tech took so long to develop. Devs needed to find a way to defy physics

[desert ridge]

So trueeee!!!!!11!!1

[lyric imp]

Yes, but we're talking about trapping photons. Only objects that are known to be able to trap photons with their gravity are black holes, which are stupidly massive

[lyric imp]

Are you trying to apply gravity to particle physics?

[spark island]

Technically speaking I think it was just not to overload the server with too many people plus you needed 8 players for the 8 player puzzle emote but yes some good physics there

[reef fulcrum]

Yes. Which would require, as I'm proposing, a single Atom with outrageous mass.

[reef fulcrum]

This is very important part of something I needed to go back to in order to try and prove how universal Gravity does affect Subatomic Particles

[lyric imp]

Purple bacteria can photosynthesize without any extra steps: light straight to ATP. Nit everything that photosyntgesizes has to be green

[reef fulcrum]

Is this technically true, or just the last thing we notice being affected by Gravity?

[lyric imp]

It was meant as a joke

[desert ridge]

Notice being affected
Consider that the moon has a very very minimal amount of light bend

[reef fulcrum]

Every object in the universe theoretically excerpts a force of Gravity against absolutely every single other object in the entire universe. It's basically immeasurably small because Gravity obviously has a greater effect when objects are closer together. However; the distribution of strength over distance is not necessarily sloped, but curved. [That sentence may require a graph to adequately explain] Obviously, Gravity also has a greater effect objects which have less mass than another, larger object nearby.

What this means for Photons has to do with their theoretical weight. The have no "Atomic Weight" simply because they are so much smaller than Subatomic particles. Hydrogen, for instance has an Atomic Weight of 1, made up typically of 2 particles. Regardless, Photons ARE affected by Gravity, however faintly; which means by virtue they must have SOME mass which is greater than zero.

Putting this together means that Photons are constantly being affected by every single other object's Gravity. Like everything else, the force from every side is Infinitely equal because the Universe extends an infinite distance in every direction. Meaning that no matter where a Photon is in Space, this Universal is distributed equally, and can therefore not be measured or witnessed because there is no relative point at which this force does not exist. The reason we only see light bending when it gets closest to the heaviest objects is because they are moving so quickly, they can enter and exit close proximity before Gravity has time to pull them in.

Which is why Darkstone only absorbs light that touches it. The field of Gravity that I described the Atoms to have would also be so hilariously Small, that only the very lightest particles could ever be affected, and only when they come "close enough". It's force is still so weak that the strength to pull anything with even close to 1 Atomic Weight doesn't reach outside of the Darkstone Atom.

[lyric imp]

You realise you're essentially proposing a single atom black hole, right?

[reef fulcrum]

Dark. Stone.
You tell me.

A "singularity".

A hypothetically perfectly balanced subatomic black hole.
Scary stuff.

Remember what I said about "appealing"?
Lol, this looks a lot like frying eggs to me.

[spark island]

Oh really? Ah I did not know. I only know up to the part where photons of light excite the electrons in the chlorophyll molecule (LDR and LIR stage)

That's quite efficient although could this also apply to Sky kids? I presume the colour has no effect just the mechanism?

Thanks for the info

[reef fulcrum]

(btw, anyone wondering how Darkstone Technology works by this metric, balance is key. There's a lot more to say about it, but at some point; I need to get off of here and actually PLAY SKY! Ts is coming tomorrow and I only got like 70 Candles)

[spark island]

Sky lore is an investment in time. We're diving deeper (hopefully in somewhat the right direction...if there is a right direction)