lore-discussion-spoilers

[static zephyr]

But here is the kicker the vok not is it affected by eden in the slightest which is very confusing cents. Every area is affected by Eden in some small way, or nothing the closer you get to eat in the more apparent those become so how is the fault of knowledge the final room before we reach the end in the source of darkness somehow completely unaffected by darkness?

(also, please excuse my bad grammar English is not my first language)

[harsh trellis]

My own thinking again: you know how vault is like an elevator going amazingly high, maybe the shockwave of Eden go at ground level and vault is high up, and since it is a vault, maybe it is blastproof

[lusty merlin]

Vault means it’s underground so most was probably was protected that way

And remembrance quest does have dark plants we melt to get the props so technically no realms are darkness free

[static zephyr]

just food for thought

[harsh trellis]

Hmmmmmmm that make sense, maybe it is deep underground and go up like elevator still

[static zephyr]

For some reason, it just makes me think of gentian impact and how they have a fake sky maybe something similar to actual kingdom?

Is it a long stretch? Yes is it possible maybe not just food for thought

[lusty merlin]

Ya I think of that too, for how close we are to the mountain when we exit, I think the elevator is like the end of the building

[static zephyr]

And not to mention that we are given a final bow from all of the other elders right before we going to Eden

and we’re giving some sort of knowledge although it’s not completely clear what that is
They are probably greeting us or wish us luck or like he said they bless us

[harsh trellis]

They bless us

[static zephyr]

WAIT A MINUTE LIGHTBULB

[harsh trellis]

Wwhooooaaa

[static zephyr]

WHAT IF THE REASON WE SURVIVE EDEN (to a degree) is because they all gave us their blessing?

[lusty merlin]

Ow maybe it’s respect because they know what waits for us, respect that skykids are sacrificing themselves to save the other skykids trapped in eden

[harsh trellis]

I’m too into this , I gotta sleep, you guys have a nice talk :DDDD

[lusty merlin]

I really want to believe that but then I’m reminded of how if we die outside of eden we end up in a similar void to it with a winged light for us to collect

[static zephyr]

Dang it!

[lusty merlin]

We still can get their blessing’s from their hair and eden masks so in some ways we are blessed

[static zephyr]

((And I believe that sometimes it saves you from krill attacks i remember my friend showing me that one time))

[lusty merlin]

They do! It’s basically a last resort that protects you from a hit that you would lose wl from

I’m still waiting for‘a mask it’s nearly been a year

[static zephyr]

Oof a mask I been dying to get for a long time is the vaults elders mask

But I have not %100 the spirits yet or have their hair T-T

I wish traveling spirit would not take all the candles I have

[lusty merlin]

I doubt they’ll come around anytime soon, so you’ll have plenty of time. I’ve just been hoarding AC by this point

[static zephyr]

Lucky I also heard will be able to get their outfits at one point

[lusty merlin]

That‘s definitely wishful thinking but I wouldn’t mind that at all if that ever happens

[viral bay]

Canonically though where is the Pity room supposed to be??? In our minds? Near orbit? Inside the eden crystal?

I know that if we use some sort of glitch it's an area oob in homespace (but then again i don't consider homespace to be part of the sky world, like only skykids have access to this area above space and time)

[halcyon wren]

Since season shattering, I call any and all places with that reflective black floor Void of Shattering. So yes, inside the crystal is my guess

[drifting cipher]

Why does it looks like that every animals except for the crabs are either aquatic or aerial or both, what happened to the terrestrial animals? Do they go completely extinct? I mean they must've existed at some point since masks that depicted them are present and where do the ancestors get inspirations for these masks if not from living animals

[viral bay]

Perhaps aerial animals and aquatic animals were the only ones that could somewhat escape the consequences of the eden radial blast either by flying up or by diving deep down

The animals from the masks could be from old legends too, like how unicorns and dragons are irl

[hushed steeple]

Do sky kids have skeletons? Judging by the fact that light creatures do it’s possible they do.

[sharp lichen]

It wasn’t the Eden explosion, since Wasteland was ruined long before that. I would say a combination of poor preservation and industrial development caused Wasteland to become polluted

[sharp lichen]

I doubt so. Skykid biology is so different from ours, with no muscles, no blood, no nervous system

[hushed steeple]

oh my gawd

aslo nice i understood what was happening while backreading:D lorechat is evolving (?) /lh

[hushed steeple]

But light creatures have bones.

[sharp lichen]

I guess that’s true, but Skykids don’t

[viral bay]

Considering how we have hard blue crystals growing out of us when we're extinguished, i would say skykids only have the core candle in the center, and light substance/light in liquid form in a shell of hard clay

[halcyon wren]

Something I've thought about for a while, do the ancestors have bones??

An old concept art mentioned unnatural death of Light creatures leaves their skeletons behind, as seen in the Graveyard. But the Battlefield doesn't have a bunch of ancestor skeletons left behind

[hushed steeple]

Maybe they were buried.

[halcyon wren]

I think this is probably the case too, whoever buried the ancestors just couldn't lift the heavy bones in the Graveyard

[earnest briar]

Well, the Krills need to get their calcium somehow.

[sharp lichen]

I've thought of something regarding the Passage quests and Prophecy quests.

They all have four wisdoms, but the Passage ones are about working together, while the Prophecy ones are about improving yourself.

Is it possible one was inspired by the other? Prophecy's purpose was about finding a singular king while Passage was about finding a cohesive group

[hushed steeple]

I think they’re like that because of the theme of Dawn being about birth or being a baby.

[halcyon wren]

What if Passage lessons were to prime the kiddos for the trials, like lower stakes version before the real thing

[sharp lichen]

That would be an interesting connection, so the students in Passage would be like kindergartners while Prophecy would be more like junior high in terms of age

[native galleon]

i'm guessing...maybe not? the concert shows more like person shaped shells, similar to the skykid ones in eden, but i guess we don't know what would be under that

[static zephyr]

My on going theory is that when Eden first formed it created a shockwave of darkness across the kingdom of sky killing/petrifying the people of the kingdom

[harsh trellis]

I mean, maybe they just straight up ascend, like how grandma and ts at sapling ascend, but that might just because they already died so they just ascend.

[hushed steeple]

Yeah, it’s cause they’re dead.
They looked more like sky kids when they were alive.

[harsh trellis]

:0 then they probably have bones

[harsh trellis]

I’d say the bones just decayed, and the giant bones are probably too big to decay fast, or they might just bring back people’s dead body to bury them or just bury them where they died.

[desert ridge]

what are the skykids made of? I always thought of them as being golems but idk

[harsh trellis]

I think we are mega bird’s creation, maybe we are just made out of light, just light

[desert ridge]

yeah but the kids are also very black, it seems odd then to be made of light

[harsh trellis]

hmm, my think about that is we are made from dark stone then charged with light from winged light, like how dark stone shines from getting light

[sharp lichen]

I think we’re made of an earth like material like clay, because there’s a soft “ding” song that collides with something. Then we have mostly light inside

[desert ridge]

or maybe the light is entirely stored in the wings

[harsh trellis]

:000000000 that’s smart, we are just dark stone and wing is where the light is

[desert ridge]

would really enhance the idea that we are just vessels

[sharp lichen]

I think the flight power is stored in the wings, but the candle power is stored in the chest

[desert ridge]

well we do descend from the stars themselves so that would check out

I wonder if skykids are actually any different from the regular folk of the world or if we are just unwitting pawns of the light

[sharp lichen]

It’s in the title. Children, inheritors of the kingdom of light. Not unwitting robotic pawns

[desert ridge]

or its representative of our innocence as we are uncorruptred by the greed and lust for power that the past generations had which caused the problems in the first place

[hushed steeple]

What if it was all designed by a group of game developers❔

[sharp lichen]

True, FOR NOW

You know, I would kill to see a Skykid-oriented Sky sequel

[desert ridge]

wdym

[compact shale]

I'd wager a guess it's a sequel where we gain the inheritance and make the world into something we live in after ascending the ancestors?

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, something like that

Probably something more RPG-ish

(Also what does your username mean?)

[cold holly]

How tall are the elders? and do they have names aside from the realm elder?

[tepid veldt]

credit to alasdair (possibly found in lore moth document)

The Elders have names based off Hebrew letters from concept development that are no longer canon, though the fandom sometimes refers to them as such: 

Isle – Daleth (ד) 

Prairie – Ayin (ע) 

Forest – Teth (ט) 

Valley – Samekh (ס) (They share a name. Though fandom often calls one ‘Sah’ and the other ‘Mekh’ to differentiate) 

Wasteland – Tsadi (צ) 

Vault – Lamed (ל)

It seems the devs refer to the Elders by the times of day their realms represent:

Isle – Dawn 

Prairie – Day or Daylight 

Forest – Rain 

Valley – Sunset 

Wasteland – Dusk

Vault – Night

[native galleon]

Pretty sure it's originally from Alasdair! 🙂 may be in the doc as well tho

[cold holly]

Thanks!

[sharp lichen]

Depends. The height varies between the Orbit appearance and Vault cutscene appearance

Copied from Salem:

Elder heights:
Isle – 8'9"
Prairie – 15'5" (prob wrong)
Forest – 10'1"
Valley – 7'5"
Wasteland – 9'10"
Vault – 5'2"

It’s inconsistent between the heights found in the cutscenes and the heights found in Orbit. The Shattering memories are on a different scale of reference entirely

[cold holly]

Thank you much!

[frigid tinsel]

Heh, that list was from me too, but it is a truncated list from this doc: https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1ob6DeBbMUF0bSfeRlfwqSoF_8HWEhp_HMrgiwmZZxsI/mobilebasic

[hushed steeple]

Ok so are we going to ignorw the fact that

Aky’s instrumets never run out of tune???

[sharp lichen]

What instruments do you play?? They don’t have stamina bars

[hushed steeple]

For example:

Violin
Guitar
The other guitar
The small guitar-ish thingy
The loud metal-asian-guitarish thingy
The pianos
The tgc guitar
Did i mentioned the coco guitar?
Etc

Oh also the harp and the harp-goes-🥁🥁🥁🥁 thingy

Or… is it just for gameplay purposes so you dont have to tune them everytime 🫠

[sharp lichen]

This is not something I had to do as a trumpet main irl

[lusty merlin]

I mean i don’t think players would enjoy the extra struggle of playing an out of tuned instrument just for realism points so 100% for gameplay reasons

[hushed steeple]

Well…ok nvm i will go recruiting the crew for the sky adaptation of alasdair’s fanfic

[frigid tinsel]

A Sky adaptation… of a Sky fanfic…
Honored, nonetheless

[leaden hornet]

well skids do absorb light causing them to not reflect any

[hushed steeple]

OH WELL NVM none of my friends wants to participate (or can) in the adaptation bc of the elder hair thingyu 🫠 ( @hushed steeple

[past fjord]

hello lore chat, howl is back

[hushed steeple]

dont you love it when i had a whole discussion about what do we do with candles?

and how we dont eat them?

in gen chat?

while singing
the seed?

[past fjord]

uhm…

[hushed steeple]

ALSO
hello owl nice to meet you

[past fjord]

oh hello, pleasure to meet you as well, Artur

[hushed steeple]

Artur* 🙂

[south saddle]

i think artur meant they were gonna perform it in the actual game (hence sky-adaptation) lol

[spiral pine]

Love this sticker hehe but I don’t remember this creature in sky

What is sky’s canon lore, btw?

[desert ridge]

well it seems like there are almost 3 different lores rn, one from the isle, one revealed in shattering, one revealed in aurora/rememberance

maybe they tie into each other, maybe not

But my take on piecing it together is that the kingdom of Sky is formed by the people of the stars, literally formed by stardust that came down and built a kingdom, however like any other society, they got corrupted by greed and a lust for power, causing them to explore beyond their means, first they explored the abyss looking for artifacts to help them in their disputes, then those disputes turned into wars which devastated the Kingdom, in a desperate bid to come out on top, one side experimented with the core at Eden, however this backfired, letting out a massive wave of darkness which killed almost everyone, causing them to be turned into statues coated in darkness which only our WL can release, those few who remained eventually died off as they were cut off from the lights of the stars and sun, these became the spirits we interact with outside of Eden. Eventually the darkness subsided enough that we, the next generation of skykids, could come down and rescue the spirits from the world.

[drifting cipher]

When you put it like that it turns into some sort of a sci-fi interstellar colonization gone wrong if you scrub away the old mythos tales style that the game has

[desert ridge]

Yeah, space creatures coming down to inhabit the world

[hushed steeple]

I just woke up.
What are you talking about.

[sharp lichen]

I am mighty intrigued myself @hushed steeple

[narrow crag]

What are the purpose of krill in the story?

[desert ridge]

they seem to be spawns of darkness to hunt out remaining light

[sharp lichen]

Lore wise, they were corrupted by darkness and pollution and act as a revenge for the Ancestor’s poor handling of the environment

Gameplay wise, they serve as a challenge that can’t be destroyed by the Skykids, only evaded

[sharp lichen]

Magic is just science we don’t understand.

[sharp lichen]

I believe this creature is found in the final rhythm cutscene

[sharp lichen]

There’s lots of things in Sky’s lore, most of which are up to interpretation, but this document provides an explanation: https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

[sharp lichen]

I think they’re all connected. The Isle murals directly say “The kingdom shattered”. And although they don’t directly reference the war, it’s implied the earlier aurora cutscenes happened when the Sky kingdom was flourishing.

They definitely seem to tie into each other, but they take place in different realms so they’re talked about and recorded differently

[drifting cipher]

This might be a bit of a morbid thought, but in what order did the elders and the people that become spirits die
I think the first is definitely going to be vault elder and the vaults caretaker (the spirits in the vault) since from the looks of it, the vault is just like a few miles away from Eden's explosion which would meant instant death for anyone within range

[drifting cipher]

You're kind of correct
Technically correct

[viral bay]

No vault actually seems to be the realm with the least damage.
In the praying acolyte's memory the Ancestors died off slowly, with each one dies and are buried, with the Acolyte praying for each burial

There are a lot of survivors after the collapse too, like the Ancestor in the first area of gw

I think after the instant death of the ancestors in Eden, it was more of a slow death for the rest of the realms

[drifting cipher]

Interesting

If it was a slow death to everyone else except for the inhabitants of Eden then there's a good chance there might've been a massive wave of refugee or migration the other surviving ancestors as it seems that the current world of sky is just a single continent

[viral bay]

I see ppl mentioning Remembrance as supporting evidence to that but the ancestors in that season are war refugees, meaning they came to Vault before Eden happened, during/after the war in Battlefield.

[spiral pine]

This is so wholesome thank you

[spiral pine]

Literally

[sharp lichen]

"then those disputes turned into wars which devastated the Kingdom, in a desperate bid to come out on top, one side experimented with the core at Eden, however this backfired, letting out a massive wave of darkness which killed almost everyone, causing them to be turned into statues coated in darkness which only our WL can release, those few who remained eventually died off as they were cut off from the lights of the stars and sun,"

not really wholesome, but still a good summary nonetheless

[spiral pine]

I’ll check it out then, thx

[spiral pine]

Oh neat! Thanks!

[spiral pine]

Ngl I would love to have an anime of sky, just like it happened with genshin impact

[sharp lichen]

I mean, there is the Sky Animation Project that serves as a prequel

[spiral pine]

Niceee

[south depot]

my theory as to why valley of triumph doesn’t have any darkness/pollution
golden wasteland was the original valley (most of the statues you see can also be found in VoT) and after the eden crystal explosion, some people decided to move to the mountains/clouds to create a new civilization there, out of reach from the spreading darkness, over time their imports from the other realms got smaller and smaller and eventually stopped all together because everyone else had died from the darkness
valley continued to live on what they had until they couldn’t anymore
as to why there’s different elders
the valley twins were direct decedents of the wasteland elder, and since wasteland elder still had to rule over gw, the twins decided that they would rule over VoT
(i also have a theory that they (valley twins) were once one elder, but the eden explosion caused them to split, this didn’t happen to anyone else because 1. they were born from elder blood and 2. they had not grown up to be a full elder at that time)

[hushed steeple]

hm?

[sharp lichen]

Intrigued on the sky adaptation of the fanfic

[hushed steeple]

its the, fanfic of the uno thing,like where the elders play uno in the void

[sharp lichen]

the monolopy thing?

[hushed steeple]

that, i think, i rememnber everyone asked alasdair to write it for like, a long long time, and i remember there was a lot of hype about it for somme reason 🙂

i just realised i could film it all by myself just using the spirits hair i have plus the masks

||oor i could trick gen chat to help me||

||well nvm imma go continue recruiting cluelesss veterans, byeee||

[lusty merlin]

valley does have dark plant's though, in the tunnel's where we relive sparkler parent

and the final shattering memory shows them with both of their prosthetic arm's attached, if they did split when the diamond exploded then, i feel their arms would be missing to show they split mid explosion you know?

[native galleon]

yeah and the prophecy murals show both of them which implies they were both there from the beginning

[leaden hornet]

That's the season of rhythm bird

[frigid tinsel]

Elder birb

[harsh trellis]

I feel like valley elders have the arms like that since the beginning, since both of them are considered one star together, like a twin but body shared from the same star maybe

[lusty merlin]

yaya i also agree with this idea! i feel it makes the most sence of them having their missing eye and arm's since they first fell

[harsh trellis]

I feel like valley is the capital with all the advance stuff, and golden wasteland is mainly a factory. Valley don’t have darkness is probably people are active there and they will probably notice those plant and burn them, and since valley use a lot dark stone to power stuff it wouldn’t make sense that it don’t have dark plants. And for they move to cloud later on, but there was war at golden wasteland about protecting light creature or use light creature as light source, and that war have to do with most of the realms in sky, so I’d believe they are all on the cloud or all on land. For the elders, they were six stars, I think valley and golden wasteland are probably separate, one star represent the twin in valley, one star represent the elder in gw. Going back to the darkness, I don’t think the darkness spread because of Eden but before Eden, they were using dark stone to power mechanics like boats and stuff, and the need light to power the dark stone, they capture light creature, originally butterfly but then someone decide to use mantas and other light creature and that caused the pollution and spread of darkness across every realm because all the realms use dark stone, basically pollution. But of course we have different theories and all of them could be correct

[south depot]

Yes yes but the valley twins were definitely once one at some point in time because they are both halves of each other (hence why they each have one eye on opposite sides)
Valleys dark plants in the maze is probably due to the fact it’s closest to the wasteland and also closest to the ground

[harsh trellis]

They were once star in the sky then they fell, I’m thinking when they fell and turn into elder is when they split

[hushed steeple]

ooh interesting

well i will redesign the poster then 🫠

[south depot]

Also the fact that golden wasteland is referred to as golden valley in most concept art

[harsh trellis]

Oh yes it use to be advance as well, but then pollution and war happened and it become greeny

[lusty merlin]

yeah i guess it comes down of personal preference of when they split. I just like to think it was at the very beginning and they were supposed to be twins intentionally but didn't properly split with them missing arm and eye

also i just really like the idea them missing their eyes and arms since birth cuz it would be mean they were born each without two important body parts, yet are still insanely good athleates despite that. Even now having prosthetic arms, they are still missing their respective eye, and they dont even try to blend their prosthetics to make it look like live limb's, the arms have metallic detailing that show's it for what it is
idk i just find it nice they dont let this factor limitate the amazing tricks and movements they can do

[harsh trellis]

I believe the war happened at gw and no one cleaned it up or dark dragon (krill) broke out right after the war so they all ran away maybe. And valley was probably celebrating their win when krill broke out at gw.

[harsh trellis]

They are very good athletes ! I think that is also to represent valley is a place where a lot sports competition like sky ball, ice skating, manta racing (in aurora quest warrior scene) take place, valley is definitely representing success.

[earnest briar]

May I share a headcanon I have related to this topic?

[lusty merlin]

AND they don’t try and have prosthetic eye’s, they’re fully showing for how they were made and showing it proudly

[harsh trellis]

They have the arms because they really needed it for sports things

[lusty merlin]

Addon

Like I have nothing against them of the idea for them originally being one elder and then splitting. I just prefer the one of having them be like that since birth cuz it hold’s more meaning to me, they were like that day one. When compared to being split as one elder, it just loses some meaning to me because they wernt supposed to be the way they are now, aka somehat split.

[lusty merlin]

Yeah it definitely makes a lot of tasks easier, yet I can also see them being just fine without their prosthetics

[harsh trellis]

Oh for what I think, they weren’t one elder, but a star, it’ll be weird if a person just split to two but it’ll make sense for a star just split then turn into two separate people

[lusty merlin]

Yeah I feel that’s what also happened, we’re originally supposed to be two but the process didn’t fully finish physically

[earnest briar]

I like to think that Valley produced various prosthetics using darkstone to help those who might not be able to keep up with other people for various reasons and distributed the prosthetics among the other realms. For example if someone lost a limb in a mining accident in Forest, if they wanted one they could be given a prosthetic limb. Prosthetics were even given to Wasteland as a way to say thank you for their work since without them these prosthetics wouldn’t even be able to function.

[harsh trellis]

Hmm this is really interesting yea since the elders have prosthetic arms they are probably thinking of helping others like them too, I like this idea!

[lusty merlin]

I completely agree! I 100% see Prosthetics being a thing seen for anyone who need it. I also see them being used for wheelchair/mobility aid aswell. The things you can do with darkstone to improve a disabled ancestors quality or life are one of the pro’s I can see with darkstone being produced cuz the possibility’s are endless.

[hushed steeple]

oh god its wortking!!! the candidates for the fan fic adaptation is arriving!!!!!!

I HAVE SUCEEDED!!!

[lament depot]

[earnest briar]

I see the Valley Elders as playful but good natured. They make mistakes, but they genuinely want to help others and act as living proof that not being like everyone else physically doesn’t mean you’re any less of a person. They see and appreciate the efforts of Wasteland to produce darkstone and try to give back whereever and whenever they can. A dark water spill in Wasteland occurs that could harm wildlife and possibly pollute a crucial fishing area? The twins will personally come over with a team to assist in cleaning it up.

[soft timber]

slips in idk why but when you say good natured I can still think of them just using a Skid as a ball

[earnest briar]

To put it in sports terms, it’s like running a relay race. Each member of the team has an important part to play and they all work together to achieve a goal.

[lusty merlin]

YEAH YOU GET IT

Like everything I agree with this because I can see them genuinely being extremely good leaders. If their feat of building the biggest city in the mountians isint amazing enough. I think I divieate from this since I do see them being the opossing side that goes aginst wasteland, but only because I see wasteland refusing to produce darkstone anymore because of the pollution it brought.

And valley being built around darkstone kinda needs that to keep afloat, so opposing needs clash

[native galleon]

YES ANDDD so when people start calling to shut down the industry or whatever they're like. hm. interesting

[lusty merlin]

I only think it happens because of what I stated above. Like each side has valid reasons, one doesn’t want their realm to suffer anymore, and the other relies on the material the other produces for so many things. The manta killing can also play apart for how many are captured for the light, also possibly tipping the ecosystem

And tipped ecosystems can really make a the wildlife and thus the life in general suffer

[hushed steeple]

hello!

[earnest briar]

The twins want what’s best for their people but they also see the suffering of their neighbors for their own benefit. No matter what they choose to do, a group will suffer. They’re stuck between a shard and a Krill, so to speak.

[lusty merlin]

Yeah 100%

Nobody wins in war, like in the end while they care for all ancestors, I see them just having the most priority for what’s best for their own people. I also don’t see them going straight to war but exhausting any other option their is to avoid it, they know the affects it’ll have, but it unfortunately became it’s last resort

[native galleon]

i can also see them fighting together at first, just against the darkness bc they agree it's a Problem but when it comes to addressing it they have different ideas

[lusty merlin]

Like propaganda to not cause panic?

[native galleon]

maybe?? idk exactly to be honest

[earnest briar]

During The Seed in the concert I heard the lyrics and thought ‘hey this kinda makes me think of the twins’. Specifically “Suffocate me, so my tears can be rain. They will water the ground where I stand, so the flowers can grow back again. And just like the seed, everything wants to live. We are burning our fingers, but we learn and forget.” Like it makes me think of the twins feeling guilty for their role in the war and wishing that things could have turned out differently because as the song says, everything wants to live.

[native galleon]

hmmm idk, i think that part is very much about wasteland and the victims of the violence, the ancestors who are sacrificing everything just for a sliver of hope

[lusty merlin]

Yeah I feel because of the setting be in wasteland it’s more tailored to them but I do like that idea

[earnest briar]

I think The Seed could be for both ideas honestly. Too late to reconcile. Too late to try and fix things. Just pain and regrets and wishing that things could have ended differently, ended better.

[lusty merlin]

Oo i can see that yeah

[hushed steeple]

ITS WORKING!!!
more and more recruits fall into the .... MERCHANDASIG yEY!!!

.. MOM I AM SUCESSFULL!! i will do the first film in my life with total strangers!!!!!!!!!!

[lavish grove]

Just out of curiosity, how did the spirit come to the sky world ? And does candle related when summoning a spirit in the sky world ??

[lusty merlin]

Spirits like their name are the dead versions of ancestors, which are the live version. I assume in sky’s world we can actually see spirits and help them ascend back to the stars

[raw moon]

Ok, this is a very dumb question, but what is dark stone? I hear it sometimes but idk what it is... is it the stuff that falls if you in Eden? Again apologies for asking, I haven't been playing for even a year yet and don't pay much attention to lore but I'm just curious

[lusty merlin]

Nah it’s fine, it’s name is never mentioned ingame I think but in a lot of art it is name dropped. Think of the crystals that project memories, light up doors and boats, the vault elevator, performance stage lights— even mellow musicians guitar. To make a few. All have this blue crystal called darkstone, which is basically the equivalent to sky’s power source. It’s also shown in its raw form during mindful miners quest

Should also note it is not sustainable, since with context clues from abyss and the aurora concert for warriors of loves section. They capture and use mantas for their light to make them so

[raw moon]

Oh so that's why the mantas were in the cages! I get it now... that's so sad

[lusty merlin]

Yaya!

So like: pros you have a very flexible piece of tech with endless possibilities. Cons: manta kidnap

[raw moon]

When the humans existed did they know that's what the source came from?

[lusty merlin]

I don’t believe humans (us) exist in the sky world, ancestors would replace that. But definitely mined underground since raw darkstone chunks is shown in mindful miners memory. Darkstone might just be a natural material of the sky world that ancestors found can be used to make stuff

One last note but in laughing lightcatchers memor: they do collect acess light from passing free mantas flying above, (Albiet slowly). So I think there were attempts to make it sustainable. But yet I think the famous demand for supply made it near impossible to keep it sustainable

Or more of unable to stay sustainable to get light at the same insane demand required for it

[raw moon]

So I'm assuming that dark stone at first was mined and used sustainably, and there were other methods like catching light, but then the demand was high and they over mined so they resorted to manta capture and then that's what caused like the downfall of everything? Is this right 😵‍💫 well ig not downfall of EVERYTHING but Y'know a leading factor of why the ancestors went extinct ig

[lusty merlin]

Yeah pretty much, though the exact cause for the downfall is unknown sadly. But darkstone is the main cause.
We just know the eden diamond was not doing well, but it seems to either take or expel light. Whenever it was rushed and there were flaws (my fav idea) or another thing, I like to think it got unstable to the point of exploding and killing the elders and ancestors

[raw moon]

I always thought Eden (the stone and rocks and just place in general) was radioactive

[lusty merlin]

I can definitely imagine that it’s an unstable place in general

[raw moon]

Goodness imagine it's half-life that thing is not going away anytime soon 😭

Also is like the whole dark stone thing why gw looks like a factory? Did they used to produce it there? Aaaah so many questions omg I need more lore now

[lusty merlin]

Yay based off abyss and the broken temple I like to think it was mainly a hub for diamond factories. It was the perfect realm for it too, flat land with tons of room so it’s the most optimal place for them

This is more of personal idea than confirmed but I like to think it was also the spark for the war: ancestors work the factories, pollution and the manta harvest take its tool and start to poison the realm, they go on strike, but the realm (I like to think valley for how darkstone centric and dependent it is) needs the darkstone so they can keep afloat. Tensions rise from unnegotiated terms and war soon build when all options are used up.

Like whenever I try to think of why the war started, which has shown to be a civil war from the aurora concert. That’s the only reason I can think of. Plus with the two realms being close it works out.

There’s also the giant cyclone which I 100% think is from The Valley elders because they got cyan light showed in prophecy but that’s a whole other thing

Anyways yeah, darkstone is a super cool material which I hope sky shows us more of. The role it plays in the story when you get the pieces together digs really deep which I like

[raw moon]

Oooh ok so sky is kind of in the highly advanced technology but still medeval/old era or whatever society type deal?

[lusty merlin]

Yeah I’d say so, like in many aspects they’re tech is better. But I guess to them a lot of ways they do things which would seem to be more older than modern. still though I like how they went about it

[halcyon wren]

I am reminded of the fact that there is zero evidence the ancestors invented the wheel

[viral bay]

How bout the rotating things in the diamond factory in forest temple?

[balmy spoke]

A cog isn't a wheel

[native galleon]

thats even funnier bc they are like the inventor™️
they have all this intricate darkstone machinery, meanwhile they were thisclose to figuring out wheels and didn't even know it /j

no but actually it almost makes sense tho, wheels are best for transporting things on land whereas the sky world is mostly clouds and water with little bits of land in between (some bigger than others). so even if they had them, it makes at least some sense to have vehicles that can work on all 3

[leaden field]

Where did the dark dragons come from? Question from my bf

[hushed steeple]

hello! the dragons comme from corrupted... something 🙂(aka somme unknown light creature that was corrupted 🙂 )

[earnest briar]

@lusty merlin I just had a thought about the Aurora concert. It takes place in the Coliseum, which the Valley Elders temple is part of/connected to. Imagine the twins watching the Coliseum be full of life again, hearing the sound of cheers and excitement just like they once did long ago. I'm making myself sad thinking about it

And I had a sadder thought What if the cheers we hear in Queendom are from the twins themselves?

[sharp lichen]

They’re corrupted, but what exactly came before they were corrupted is unknown

[hushed steeple]

It was donuts!!!
||idk ||

[desert ridge]

my personal theory is that they are spawns of the elements of darkness itself, pollution, miasma, and corruption bundled up into a draconic form

[native galleon]

Yeah i have a similar theory!! The fact that they are only found in the most extremely polluted places, and there aren’t that many of them compared with the massive numbers of light creatures that must have been killed and drained gave me this idea of them being like these accumulated masses of leftover darkness that started moving and wreaking absolute havoc

i’m probably wrong bc of the animation trailer but i still like the idea

[sonic wave]

I was flying over to the citadel and at the entrance there’s a swallow type bird of sand??? Also it’s belly up so perhaps it’s dead? What is thisss

[lusty merlin]

You can say killed and harvested you won’t get get beaned for it

The trailer could be pre dark stone industrialization though

[native galleon]

lol ty
and yea i think it does take place before all that, i said i’m probably wrong about krills because the creature in the trailer looks. suspiciously similar

[sharp lichen]

Yes, the bird statue was an original asset in the beta edition of Sky, but it’s been kept here

[hushed steeple]

That bird sculpture was part of a scrapped feature known as creature quests. You can think of these quests like those from red shards, where you collect pieces of light, although there weren’t any light creatures seen during it and you would usually form an actual animal in spirit form, like a sea turtle or bird or something.

[native galleon]

but why is it dead tho 🤔

[hushed steeple]

No idea, it was scrapped and therefore never expanded upon.

[lusty merlin]

Think it was for a scrapped quest? I forget what but something involving the spirit of the bird if I’m right

[hushed steeple]

Yes, the creature quests. Which I expanded upon above.
They also were just around the place and could be played once a day for candles.
Some of them were green.

[native galleon]

always wondered abt it because that weird unsettling detail against the gorgeous citadel is just fixation beam activate

[spiral pine]

I see thx ☺️

[hushed steeple]

It’s called an elder bird.

[rigid iron]

there isn't really any lore we know of for that bird unfortunately, but I'm still hopeful

[spiral pine]

Oh! Nice

[spiral pine]

It’ll be great actually if they let us know more about it

[hushed steeple]

Light Whisperer had an elder bird in their info card.

[earnest briar]

omg the sillies

Also HELLO??? Look at those outfits. So stylish

[lusty merlin]

THE SILLYS

looking at that darkstone chunk

These two have dates nights every other week I can just feel it

Married for 15 years

[rigid iron]

✨ pardners ✨

[sharp lichen]

I think they’re from Wasteland

[hushed steeple]

Lizard people are now canon to Sky lore!

[earnest briar]

Is it just me or is the monk looking person lifting the stones of that stack next to them? Are they from Vault? (I'm basing this off the memory in Vault where a bunch of Spirits levitated a memory cube together since that's the only place where we've seen this occur.)

[hushed steeple]

They most definitely are lifting those rocks!
It could be due to being a monk and having enlightenment or something.
Idk I’m Catholic./hj

[earnest briar]

And the kid's clothing and mask remind me of the Assembly Scouts's outfits. Interesting.

[sharp lichen]

Levitation is also common in the Passage quests as well

Perhaps levitation is an ability the Ancestors have, but it’s most practiced in Vault

[hushed steeple]

First of all,
Precious Child!!!
Second of all,
NEW LIGHT CREATURE!!!!!!!!!

[tepid veldt]

in love
absolutely in love
bros on the far left and far right are my favs
very interested in the headpieces the two have 👀

[frigid tinsel]

Given how difficult it is to even stack rocks, would not surprise me if that guy is levitating the rocks.
Curious why they’re covering their eyes tho 👀

[lusty merlin]

I wonder if it’s so they can strengthen their senses without relying on sight? Maybe like one with nature or somthing

Wait brb imma look if there’s any types of clothing monks wear that’s similar to the eye cover

[tepid veldt]

it looks like a few of them might have assembly masks? definitely the one on the far left and the one with birb call, but also maybe the far right one too?

[frigid tinsel]

The skykid-looking spirit has the same mask as Dreams guide and Rhythm guide, which iirc was said to be a standard civilian mask

[earnest briar]

I remember reading that by depriving one sense, your others become heightened. Perhaps they're not just trying to strengthen their regular senses, but also their sense of and attunement to the Light?

[lusty merlin]

Yeah I was thinking somthing similar to that too

[frigid tinsel]

Wonder if they are straight-up blind or have poor eyesight and are protecting their eyes? A lot of blind folk wear tinted glasses to protect their eyes against sunlight for that reason

[earnest briar]

It kinda reminds me of the Spirit Mask from The Pathless honestly.

[hushed steeple]

Honestly, this spirit (who looks like could be the guide but idk guess I’m just guessing at this point despite them being in the very middle with a very bright light staring straight at you and looking very guide like but i guess my assumption could be wrong) looks so annoyed right now!

[lusty merlin]

That too! I also can’t find anything at all with monks irl covering their eyes so I do think this is something added for the charater

Wonder when we get their info card or could shed some light for the reason

[earnest briar]

When do we get a banjo TGC I must have a banjo for maximum cowboy vibes

[lusty merlin]

I’d be 100% all for a blind ancestor that can levitate stone and chill in the Prairie peaks

[hushed steeple]

I’ve found some stuff on blindfolds.

[earnest briar]

That now gives me the idea that the two Spirits on the left of the Guide get into fights/duels frequently and the monk always has to break it up before things get violent.

[lusty merlin]

I can definitely see that if the group are the spirits seen here I wonder if they’re a found family of sorts then? Only time will tell though

[earnest briar]

I am going to name these lads

[hushed steeple]

TGC: A group of spirits found a beautiful paradise.

The lore: AND THEN THEY DIED!!!!!!!!

[frigid tinsel]

hasn't been confirmed who's the guide yet

[hushed steeple]

I mean, you can guess that it’s going to be the one in the middle with the bright light and looking all leader like.

[frigid tinsel]

so did Ceasing Commodore but they weren't the Abyss guide

[lusty merlin]

I mean ceasing commodore was in the middle for abyss yet they wernt- yeah

[hushed steeple]

Fixed

[frigid tinsel]

you didn't have to, just clarifying

[hushed steeple]

I’m being excessively passive aggressive and I do apologize for that.

Made me feel better though.

I’m just getting worked up over nothing I’m sorry!

[rigid iron]

the blog post did say the guide was a photographer

[earnest briar]

hmm, the one on the far left seems cheerful from their pose. I will call them Reliable Rancher. The broody one in the poncho is Lonesome Vigilante, the kid is Adventurous Adolescent, and the monk is Enlightened Ascetic.

[sharp lichen]

It’ll be very interesting to see a spirit cover their eyes in a season all about scenery and sight

Perhaps they injured it somehow? These spirits are wearing Valley masks but they don’t look like they’re from Valley

The rural attire is probably related to pre-darkness Wasteland

[native galleon]

people have been saying that they're not from prairie but is that confirmed? bc my thought was that they were exploring like a new area in prairie, not necessarily that they were from somewhere else

[hushed steeple]

SO BEUTIFUL dies

also earthbending cofirmed??? /j kind of
im not crying you are
cries

[lusty merlin]

yeah i also agree, their attire fits more with said realm for its brighter colors and just overall theme compared to wasteland. Like unless a card tells us otherwise i also assumed theyre from prarie

[native galleon]

yea if they're exploring the edges of prairie then they could just be from like, not the edges idk

[hushed steeple]

@hushed steeple when the season starts lets see who is able to messure the dude of the hat in cbpm first

and now i want to write a fanfic abt how the guide and the mr.bombastic bombafantastic dude met

[pallid dust]

I'm amazed at how easily Skykids ship spirits.

That's why I love you

[native galleon]

i do love the monk spirit's outfit tho, the blindfold is cool and the robe/sash is most definitely giving vault maybe they studied there! also the triangle thing on the mask is the same as the vault lightseeker which is neat

[sharp lichen]

Oh right, their farmer-related attire also fits with Prairie as well

It was the rootin tootin hollerin one’s bone crown that made be believe it was a different realm

Omg is it just me or

[native galleon]

Lmao yeah like Look at them 🤠

[lusty merlin]

i feel it connecting them to sush might be reaching a lil, yet i do think the monk could've studied at vault

[native galleon]

connecting them to what? idk what you mean sorry

[lusty merlin]

like you mentioned the vault light seeker which would be sushing light scholar so i thought thats who you we're referring too

[native galleon]

oh i just noticed the design was similar thats all! dont think there would necessarily be a connection

[lusty merlin]

ah alrighty! i kind of see it a little but that could be just me

also since we have what looks to be a monk, that would mean there are ancestors who seem to hold the light in higher regard, or they're are an ascetic who chose to leave mainstream society

[native galleon]

aghh im sorry what i said was confusing !! i keep doing that

[pallid dust]

Sounds good, because obviously there are people who will appreciate the light as something sacred.

[lusty merlin]

yaya! i feel it add's a nice touch of world building. Cuz there are folks out there who worship the earth ,when most of us just see it as that's how life it and nothing more. I feel if this ancestor is holding light with a higher regard and theyre not a ascetic. That would be very cool!

[pallid dust]

I saw what he has on the back of his head from the beta version. I don't want to spoil without your permission. But I guess it fits this theory well.

[hushed steeple]

*arrives with torned appart cape and broken mask

couhg cough cough
lore chat!! i have traveled to the beta players chat, and i have been able to confirm cough cough cough
the guide of the season is
gets eaten by a krill

[earnest briar]

yaya! That’s why I gave them the (temporary until the official one is dropped) name Enlightened Ascetic since they gave me those vibes.

[lusty merlin]

oo i'll wait till the season drops but i am interested cuz i was wondering what the line on their forhead meant, ig its a pattern from what i imagine

[earnest briar]

and Poncho Spirit is Lonesome Vigilante because they give me Lone Ranger vibes from those old cartoons.

[pallid dust]

You confused me, you want to know, but you don't want to well that's ok

[hushed steeple]

gets a candle and relits up

.... reboots

hi! how are you /jk

[lusty merlin]

intrigued but i'll wait to be surprised

[native galleon]

ok wait im dumb, i thought they were wearing a blindfold over a regular mask lmao pattern on the head does make more sense design wise

[pallid dust]

Okay, I'll wait with you. And then we will build a castle of theories, what is it and why is it needed

[earnest briar]

I bet they’re also super broody and all “I don’t need anyone’s help” but then a Manta will kidnap them and dump them on top of a ledge and they begrudgingly need the others to get them down.

[lusty merlin]

they are wearing a blindfold, but from the looks of it they also seem to have a pattern on their head, if its just a straight line i'll be, midly bummed

[hushed steeple]

intereesting history of how they could haev met the....... what was he? the other hat dude
why am i still crying

[pallid dust]

giggle

[native galleon]

literally ive been thinking how cool it would be for some ancestors to have like patterns n designs instead of hair!! and yet the possibility slipped my mind

or just like light tattoos in general

[lusty merlin]

abyss shows this a little with tattoos for cannoneer and commadore, they have lil manta like patterns on their heads so seeing more of that would be awesome

[hushed steeple]

I’m staying up till the season starts with my friend so…

[native galleon]

oh i didn't notice that! vv nice

[hushed steeple]

wait a sec

ling ling potion and my cape and mask heals

me ish ready >:D
i still dont remember what i went to beta chat for tho...

[hushed steeple]

I’m gonna camp out in front of the entrance, wanna join us when the time is right?

[native galleon]

outing myself as a moth here but i wish i was around for abyss so bad

[hushed steeple]

Also, I feel the monk’s attire is likely more religious related than scholarly related.

[hushed steeple]

i hope i will hget myipad math

[hushed steeple]

I was around for the little prince. Jealous?/j

[hushed steeple]

hello my fellow moth

(i am also a moth and i also wish i was aroudnf or so mante seasons qwq)

[sharp lichen]

I mean, being “around” seasons is a bit of a strange thing, since you can replay the quests

[hushed steeple]

but its not the asame

[native galleon]

Yea i know, i just mean like experiencing the hype and all

[hushed steeple]

Yeah, but it just doesn’t have the same feel. You don’t get to wait for quests in anticipation, or even just wait for the season itself. You don’t get to get the cosmetics during the season nor the ults. You don’t get to brag about being a vet!

[pallid dust]

Okay guys, I'm not bragging. But I was with the prophecy

[hushed steeple]

Wow…
Old…
/j
||im from assembly||

[hushed steeple]

OOOH!1
fanbois

O ~ O

[native galleon]

I’m actually glad tho, a huge part of the reason i’m such a lore goblin now is because i was watching aurora play out like ….what happened here

[pallid dust]

It's cool too. Assembly was my first season where I bought a pass

[hushed steeple]

I remember mistaking sanctuary guide as a part of the season

[native galleon]

same lmao!! i rushed through so many old quests bc i saw “X days left” with the current season symbol and thought it had to do with that

Why was it sanctuary guide that made me notice it too 💀

[hushed steeple]

this is me!!
alsso omg salem is writing

Let me tell you, there is DEFINITELY a reason TGC added those guides to certain features!!!

[keen shore]

Apparently a lot of moths get stuck in sanctuary islands cause they can’t figure out how to get out and now I’m just imagining sanctuary as like… a Venus flytrap of a season

[hushed steeple]

this is me too!!!

[hushed steeple]

Moth gets trapped in sanctuary.
Something feels off.
It’s rainy and dull.
And they swear something is slowly but surely closing in on them.

[keen shore]

The holes need to be fed…

[native galleon]

for me it was, not because i couldn’t get out but because i couldn’t find the boat in the second last (?) quest

[hushed steeple]

COMMENCE THE RITUAL OF CAVERNOUS HOLES!!!!!!

[native galleon]

the what

[hushed steeple]

Ritual of holes.
They must be fed…

[hushed steeple]

XD esther being esther

Also they are a ||cute|| /jk

[pallid dust]

Honestly, now I'm sorry that at the time of the prophecies I did not trust the donat in this game. Because now I associate myself incredibly strongly with this season.. I really want his pass

[hushed steeple]

[keen shore]

The pull of prophecy guide claims us all in the end 😁

[hushed steeple]

Meh, pretty interesting concept, but the trials aren’t too friendly unless you’ve practiced a lot.
Also, it’s not that the area is ugly, I just like sceneries with more sunlight and plants.

[hushed steeple]

||and turns us into furries ||

[keen shore]

Unironically this is what happened to me. I liked wearing the masks from prophecy so much I gave in and designed a fursona

[hushed steeple]

My furry side awakened because of my sibling lol.
THEY ARENT EVEN A FURRY, THEY JUST CALLED ME ONE ONCE!!!!!!!

[pallid dust]

I guess I'd be a furry too. If I had a prophecy guide mask

[sharp lichen]

Sanctuary moth here, real

[keen shore]

Fell victim to the black hole… sad

[hushed steeple]

Trypo-puppeteer.
All hail them.
The holes must be fed.

[hushed steeple]

To me it was a youtuber
Ans my fursona i designed it initially as a joke, and here i am, 2 years later 🫠🐺

I have gone through countless fursonas.
My personality is just too complex I guess./j

[sharp lichen]

I’ve been searching for lore ever since time loop theories were common

[hushed steeple]

I doubt there is any time manipulation in Sky.

[sharp lichen]

True, but I do think Eden’s black-hole ness distorts it slightly

[hushed steeple]

The kingdom of sky is actually the interior of the tardus!!!!!/j

OREO PLUSH!!!!!!!!!!!!

THE PRECIOUS!!!!!!!!

[pallid dust]

You can hug him!!

[hushed steeple]

I KNOWWWWWWWWWWWW

[pallid dust]

Oreo hugs, finally

[hushed steeple]

Sadly, it is iap.

[pallid dust]

Yes, but for a brief moment, maybe we'll hug him.

[hushed steeple]

Also, there are balloon hats!

[hushed steeple]

Though, it’s only ten dollars so maybe I’ll decide to get it.

[keen shore]

I have to wonder if religious and scholarly related things overlap in this universe; that is to say, are they similar things

[pallid dust]

They probably intersect in the subject of light, I'm not sure about more.

Well lorchat, can this be considered an owl-manta furry?

[hushed steeple]

Everyone was secretly a farmer before they died though most didn’t want to admit it./j

[hushed steeple]

It is a star wars fighter ship!!!

[pallid dust]

It also amuses me how they add clothes similar to the clothes of the elders.😅

[hushed steeple]

This was no ordinary religion.
It was a colt.
||neigh||

[grim needle]

is the skykids somehow made of crystals? cause i just found out that everytime you bump to something while flying, your skykid makes a sound very similar to what Crystalwares make when you flick it to check wether its a good crystalware or not

[hushed steeple]

Something like that maybe.

[grim needle]

like it really sounds like when i flick our crystal wineglass

[frigid tinsel]

Yea, the major theory is based off that they sound like pottery, so they’re assumed to be made of some sort of hardened clay

[brisk python]

GUYS NO WAY THEY PUT JAKE MARSHALL FROM PHOENIX WRIGHT INTO SKY (also hi long time no see)

[hushed steeple]

i call him mr bobastic bomba fantastic due to a meme i saw in yt

[native galleon]

Ooooh sorry for the late reply but I’ve been thinking abt this and yeah I got that vibe!! Vault for example is full of either scholars or people in religious roles, and in many societies historically clergy were among the most educated people. That’s why I brought up Vault earlier with the monk character, it’s always reminded me of like a monastery where the people are heavily involved in both religion and academia. But you see it in other places as well, where religious practices like meditation or prayer have tangible effects, and people studied and trained to improve their abilities (the trials come to mind).

And besides, in a world where spirits regularly descend from the light, you have (arguably) deities in charge of both the living and the dead, and there’s really no mythology because it’s all provably real, then it becomes something that can be studied objectively rather than an abstract concept. With the way magic and science seem to overlap in the Sky universe, I can totally see that extending into religion, history, etc. with it all being connected through the Light

[sharp lichen]

Yeah!! I could imagine the Vault Elder fulfilling the roles of both a head scientist and a priest, except here they’d be similar functions

[blazing abyss]

Im still curious on what is this, is it like a creature from underwater or something?

[frigid tinsel]

Likely a whale since you get Whale Whisperer’s call by clearing the dark plants growing on the bones

[blazing abyss]

oo

[honest dock]

can someone give me a summary of what the precursor civ that made the castle in eden did that doomed their entire civ? like why the entire world is infested with the dark thingies? the wiki was not helpful

[distant turtle]

There are times in the game like in Season of Aurora concert and Season of Abyss where we can see that the light creatures were treated poorly. I think there was too much mining and other industrial activities. The shipwreck in wasteland is a good lore area for this.

[honest dock]

ur saying the civ collapsed because they drained too much resource? but where the darkness came from?

[distant turtle]

Maybe Sky has a theme of harmony with nature being represented as light and disturbance of that harmony as darkness

[honest dock]

i see. thanks

[hushed steeple]

It’s said that light and darkness used to be in balance with one another. But as the light weakens darkness began to take over.

[viral bay]

I've always been confused about that phrase because i thought darkness in Sky was an absence/corruption of light.

Like how prior to the darkstone discovery the kingdom was filled with light from light creatures and all, and then once they start to be exploited for diamonds, the byproduct of that extraction is pollution, the gooey stuffs in gw and air particles that poison the rain in forest. And those byproducts and their consequences, aka dark creatures, are the darkness. Krills, crabs, darkness plants are born of that absence of light.

[hushed steeple]

Maybe it’s something like how animals may need to eat other animals to live and natural selection.
Grim but ultimately necessary processes of nature.

[viral bay]

I feel like the harmony represented in Sky is the harmony among the beings themselves, nature vs ancestor, not the harmony of Light vs Dark

[viral bay]

Other than krills we don't see animals eating lol

[hushed steeple]

Possibly due to game limitations.
As well as most animals either being extinct or out of sight.

[torpid fjord]

I don't exactly know where to ask but what's with the bird from the end of the season of rhythm? I haven't joined yet in that season and I keep seeing people meme about it

[viral bay]

The artwork promoting the upcoming season of Moments has that bird featured

We'll also finally learn the name of that bird!

[lusty merlin]

I think it’s simply because it’s a big bird, and the fact we don’t see it ingame outside of that one cutscene.

And For sksks I actually disagree that’s the same bird type in the moments promo, it actually shares a ton more similarities to this emoji here, and is even called an elder bird it’s also shown in light whispers card. It has the same eye shape too as the one in the 3D model so it’s definitely the same type.
Even then the one in the promo is missing the yellow wing tips seen with the elder bird too, along with it having a yellow underbelly when the elder bird doesn’t, just letting you know

Think in lights card you can actually see the same bird on their head and hand too that the kid reaches out to in the promo

[torpid fjord]

I saw some artists implying that the rhythm guide was the bird but I just really have no idea, but thank you for the clarification!

[hushed steeple]

The moments promo doesn’t seem to be a creature we’ve seen yet. I’m not even certain we can call it a bird as it’s more flat and flimsy looking like a manta.

[lusty merlin]

Yeah ofcorse! The bird being rhythm guide is simply a popular head cannon/theory most have since they’re the only ones who don’t appear in the cutscene. So people work out they could’ve been the bird, yet again, that’s just a head cannn/theory

[hushed steeple]

Rhythm guide is actually the flag!/j

It’s probably just meant to be something similar to how most guides don’t ascend.
Excluding those like flight guide.

[torpid fjord]

Ohh that makes sense now...

[native galleon]

Yo is that a jaw bone underneath their head? Is this a skull??

[nimble ingot]

yup, a whale skull.

Also, what did I miss in Lorechat o.o

[empty drift]

are we getting cowboys in sky now?

[nimble ingot]

Don't know, but the goofy dance does suggest something like it, lol. 🤠

[hushed steeple]

intersting

[hushed steeple]

What if it’s a turtle skull. It reminds me more of the wurtle skills from wasteland except a lot smaller and with only one eye. It even has a beak like mouth like a sea turtle would have.
It’s possible this is the skull of a species of sea turtle or wurtle possibly once having been found in prairie rather than a whale.

Speaking of whales, they rather remind me a lot of a coelacanth rather than a whale seeing as they have more fish characteristics(scales, a vertical tail fin, etc.) rather than aquatic mammal characteristics(no scale, hair, horizontal tail fin, blow hole(though sky may not have noses.))
I suggest that the “elder manta” from sanctuary may actually be a whale or whale equivalent since it does have aquatic mammalian features.

[native galleon]

it has one eye, maybe it’s one of those bigger manatee things?

[nimble ingot]

That is quite possible now that you mention it.

Whale skulls are different to the promotion art here, though one could have said that could be because the mask is much smaller and thus would lose some details. Not to mention stylising the model to fit the head better.

As we have seen in the whurtle skulls in wasteland, the sea puppy (sky seals) and possible other creatures we have not seen yet. We may not know for sure will a dev can settle that debate.

[native galleon]

those also have like a visible jaw and mouth

[hushed steeple]

Those also appear to be more mammalian like and mammals don’t have skulls shaped like that. Prominently the three spike looking protrusions from the skull make it more likely to be more reptilian or a turtle.

So I remembered that the devs said all Lightseekers spirits are from Forest, which would include shushing lightscholar who we see in vault. This can apply to the moments monk too. It’s possible scholars lived all over the kingdom and sometimes commuted to vault for important work.

[nimble ingot]

Interesting.

I wonder if the devs would consider another season with the spirits in different realms again.
They have done something similar to that idea in Aurora, where the memories are in different realms, but their relevant spirits are not. Which makes their association with Valley easy to see.

It does make sense for the guide to be associated the Hidden Forest, given the interest in trees, light and the theme centred on pursuing light to restore nature.
Would it be possible for the season spirits to be based in their respective realms while still associated with the season?
If so, it would subtly represent the realms trying to unite before the ancestors had fallen.

[hushed steeple]

I’m not sure if you understood what I meant, not saying that you didn’t cause you could’ve. But for clarification I was saying the monk could be from Prairie while still having association with vault.

[nimble ingot]

I understood what you said that for season of light seekers, the shushing scholar is in Vault. But you remembered a dev saying all seekers are from forest.
Which I took as saying the scholar along with other spirits in the realms to be associated with the Hidden Forest, and not the realms we find them in.

I compared the thought to season of Aurora, where its season spirits are from Valley, as that is where we find the spirits. But their memories are in different realms.

[hushed steeple]

Even spirits we find in vault could be from other realms.

[nimble ingot]

True for Seasons of Gratitude, Belonging, Rhythm and Lightseekers.

[hushed steeple]

I also haven’t seen any permanent places of residency or rest in vault.

[nimble ingot]

places of residency, do you mean a place that suggest where ancestors could have lived/slept?

If so, I would say the season of remembrance may be the closest to a lived n a space. Though that is because they were possibly stowaways/refugees.
For the main game, you are correct with that observation. 👍

[hushed steeple]

Yes, that’s why I said there were no permanent ones. The refinery likely wasn’t intended to be a permanent settlement.

Now, what if there are towns directly outside of vault built for scholars.

[nimble ingot]

That is very likely the case.
Concept art of the area (Wasteland included) showed buildings set on the surface of the mountain.

I wonder what the city on a mountian would be like?
A bunch of towers sitting a very steep cliff would probably warrant a lot of bridges and boats.

[hushed steeple]

They’d have a whole section built for the janitors, gardeners, etc. of the vault and they’d have a luxurious lifestyle cause cleaning the entire vault would be intense work!!! The Kingdom of Sky gives people the credit they deserve!!!!!!!/j

[nimble ingot]

XD I just imagine a room of scholars and a maid walks in.
The scholars scramble to gather their papers as the maid scuttles over to a shutter.
The shutter opens and a massive torrent of wind fills the room.
The shutter closes after a few seconds and the maid walks back out, the dusting job is now done.

[hushed steeple]

We’re giving too much credit to the prophets, scholars, and The King.
The real ops are the cleaning crew!!!!!!!

[nimble ingot]

real XD

[hushed steeple]

I want to draw this so much now! But my drawing tablet is broken!!!

[nimble ingot]

Feel free to steal this.
You were the one to inspire it

[hushed steeple]

I absolutely will!!!

[mellow sleet]

What is this skeleton, while we're on the topic

[pastel brook]

We’re all Sky all the time here, @mellow sleet

[nimble ingot]

It is believed to be the remains of a whurtle, a whale- turtle hybrid creature based on the skulls that are nearby.

[mellow sleet]

Ok. That thing must have been enormous, then. (Though the fog really messes with distances in that area)

[nimble ingot]

Indeed.
I theorised their demise could have possibly stemmed from the Wasteland temple.
Suppose the turrets fired and struck the creatures. And suppose what could have once been a sanctuary for them is now their graveyard.

[mellow sleet]

One more question. Are the pipes in the area before the temple for waste? Since they go to crab fields and seem to have poured out whatever was inside them.

[nimble ingot]

That is an interesting question.
I would not know, nor have heard anyone being able to confirm what the pipes were for exactly.

What has been established is the pipes naturally transport things, be it water or possibly other things given their size may be for transporting light creatures.
We see light creature use some of these pipes such as in the distant ones in Eden. These could be birds, small mantas, fish, small jellies or even butterflies (or other small creature that we have not seen yet).

Suppose the ones in Wasteland could have been used to move water to other sections in wasteland, or even let sludge move to the ocean (as seen in shipwreck/crab field).

[hushed steeple]

This is a drawing I did of the whurtle to give an idea of what one could have possibly looked like. It is by no means canon.

[hushed steeple]

Me, transporting plants using pipes!

[nova totem]

So in eden semi-near the ‘heart’, there are these 2 giant statues that I just noticed randomly. How did they get here through the rain? What do they mean? SO MANY QUESTIONSS

Another pic

[trim wren]

Arent those the same ones kinda at the beginning of orbit? I think i have a picture of them somewhere

[nova totem]

I can try to look for them once I enter

Similar, but these have more details

[nimble ingot]

I suspect these could either be a representation of the King, or a priest that holds the diamond.
There are 4-6 statues in Eden.
The first is one you can hide behind with a statue, the second you see crumble when you get close, the third can also be used a shield when you are close to it, the fourth is further into the heavy rain area, and the last 2 are all but destroyed.

You see a similar set of 4 statues in Orbit.

These statues have a halo behind them (suggesting the glow of the diamond, or from the holder's heart similar to the children of the Light).

[nova totem]

Do you happen to have a video of the one crumbling?

[nimble ingot]

give me a second

https://youtu.be/FwcNVlpymNk?list=PLRTBVhU4gY5y61dHlzooaIbge8ACLLQUn&t=5471
It may be best to go to Eden to see it yourself.
I'll take a video of it for lore research

[nova totem]

Oh wow, I never had seen that in eden. I assume that one is supposed to symbolize how eden was great (hence the detail and refinery on the statue) but it’s crumbling now.

[nimble ingot]

It has been doing that for a while.
It is understandable for it be missed amidst the choas.

The game strangely enough is not that adamant to show the skykids that feature as a cutscene.
In contrast to it incessantly panning the camera at certain things through the majority of the game.
While is is somewhat understandable to do that with new players to hint at where they have to go, or what to pay attention to. But not after the umpteenth time playing the game for at least a year. Not to mention the same hints over and over again after said year of playing the game and still reminding players that "if you are lost, you can call to reveal the path."

[nova totem]

Yeah, I definitely think there should be an option to remove camera panning as it gets incredibly annoying along with blocking us from seeing the details that they worked hard on. It’s kinda odd to me that they don’t want to show such cool features, but whatever they want I guess.

[nimble ingot]

Right.
It gets old after the 100th time for the camera to force pan to a boat in the snow as you fly over it. "Yes, I know it can fly when you light up the doohickey at the bottom. Does it look like I am going to do that when I am halfway up the mountain with a 12 wedges?"

For cutscenes, sadly the skip option has become a habit to even skipping new cutscenes.

Am going to wishlist and ask for a setting to disable hints (Which includes the camera panning).
If moths don't like it, then hide the setting in the pause menu, and leave it on as a default for first timers.

[leaden field]

Is there any lore/theories on grandma?

[nimble ingot]

There are some regarding what type of food they actually make. There is a growing list of suggested foods

Orther than that, I am not sure atm

[frigid tinsel]

Granny is the guide for the Season of Belonging. they started providing meals at the sunny forest for Days of Feast 2021, making what's presumably light mochi for skykids to eat.

there's an in-joke that they're the matriarch of the Belonging family crime ring

[hushed steeple]

Underground family tag team!!!!

[sharp lichen]

Unfortunately, seasonal spirits from seasons before Enchantment have very little lore. With Belonging, we see their seasonal symbol be placed on many spots in the Vault, so they could be a large international clan of sorts

[hushed steeple]

CLASH OF CLANS!!!!!/j

I predict the game will update in about 2 days.

||I’ll let you in on a little secret. I’m just basing my prediction off of when the sever maintenance is taking place. Lol||

[nimble ingot]

Wouldn't be a bad idea to sneak in features to prepare the game for it, lol

[hushed steeple]

The candle cakes just switched from being in Prairie to being in Vault I think.

[earnest briar]

they already did that earlier today.

[violet marsh]

Granny, belonging family matriach
Oath of enma starts playing

[nimble ingot]

When Granny starts baking cookies. We should have a lot to worry about.
(See the Cookie Clicker game for reference.)

[hushed steeple]

Grandma started that so they would be the only grandma!!!!!/j

[nimble ingot]

Grandma's bakery would have a lot of customer every 2 hours, lol

[hushed steeple]

Grandma would ban sky kids for their safety.

[nimble ingot]

lol

[hushed steeple]

Sky kids would then begin opening underground bakeries.
Literally!

[nimble ingot]

a moth forgets a ball of dough in their pocket. A few hours later and they take out a cookie and be super confused how they got one.

[hushed steeple]

Deep underground,
Where tiny kids peek,
Breadsticks are broken
And ovens ain’t cheap!

[nimble ingot]

Would that explain the inflation of candles costs?

(Note: This is how conspiracy theories start)

[pastel brook]

Why do you think the Ancestors liked boats so much?

[nimble ingot]

"The boat as a symbol of a journey, a voyage of life."
"The boat can symbolise a spiritual journey on the sea of life; one cannot get anywhere by remaining on an island."
~www.stoneletters.com

[hushed steeple]

Lore chat describing spirits:

Boogie kid: They can dance,

Crab Whisperer: They can sing!

Air prophet: They’re equipped with a built in [cyan light] for inflating balloons right at their finger tips.

Forgetful Storyteller: They can take song requests.

Grandma: They can even dispense ice-cream!

[hushed steeple]

CAUSE BOATS ARE COOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[earnest briar]

...are you implying something here by using dialogue about Baby from FNAF 🤨

[hushed steeple]

The King is William Afton!/j

[nimble ingot]

bruh, I did not even notice.
Well done

[hushed steeple]

Spirits decorate their houses confirmed!!?!!??!!!?!!/j

What else is confirmed is that houses can be more than 1 room!!!!!!!!!!/j

Honestly, I didn’t expect to get house lore!!!!

[nimble ingot]

We know this since season of Assembly, and as a quest in season of Remembrance. Though it is nice to have that confirmed directly.

What I am intrigued by is the joke ancestors (at least one of them) has trouble making fire.
A feat a skykid can easily pull off. This emphasizes the notion that ancestors are not as in tune with the elements as it seemed.

[neat trout]

Yes and in Season Of Repository! The memories have small fragments of homes and the items give away their prized belongings/decor ✨

[hushed steeple]

Moments Guide: uhhhhh… I can’t make a fire without assistance…

Sky kid: Fire? That’s easy! Just watch and learn!

pulls out candle

Moments Guide: Well I can’t just make a candle whenever I wa-

Sky kid: begins lowering candle

Moments Guide: W-what’re you doing!?

Sky kid: starts destructive grass fire

Moments Guide: WHY IN THE NAME OF LIGHT WOULD YOU EVER THIN-
proceeds to tell off sky kid while other spirits frantically put out the fire

I understand that ancestors decorated their homes, I was just making a joke off the fact that most houses we see are empty!!!

[nimble ingot]

You are ok (sorry for being short in my response).
I am going to bed soon, but do agree that interiors in Sky are either cosy and small, or non-existent 1 room boxes.

Just ask the valley folks living in penthouses. The places has a nice view, but charges an arm and a leg for rent. lol

[neat trout]

I think it's because the devs would have trouble adding so much detail! The Village of Dreams is a hugeee area but it would be so cool if you could go in a few of the houses 🤭

I have chibi fallen into them before just for fun

[nimble ingot]

📷

📸

[neat trout]

You described the whole sky lore in emojis 😂

[hushed steeple]

I DONT UNDERSTAND

[nimble ingot]

I broke into a building in Dreams and got stuck XD
One the one hand was glad no ancestor was around to chase me out with a broom. On the other wished there was, becuase the window sill made for an irincally hilarious shame session from friends when they came to help out.

[nimble ingot]

transcript:
Moth meets ancestor
Ancestor meets a tiny creature that can pull a candle out of their chest.
They take a picture, because nobody is ever going to believe them.

I am going to bed.
It is bad enough if lore chat does not even understand my theory. lol

[hushed steeple]

Lol!
Icee!
🍨

[hushed steeple]

Go to sleep!
Have weird sleep visions!
Cause in the morning you are required to make more theories!🎵
/j

[autumn zinc]

Who put candols all over Sky? Why are candols all over Sky?

[sharp lichen]

We see a candlemaker in Sky, so they were created by the past people of this world. Candles act as compressed sources of light, so they were used to easily recharge the energy of Ancestor Spirits and light creatures wandering around.

[autumn zinc]

Candlemaker??

[hushed steeple]

interestomg

also now i am going to break into a buildig

[hushed steeple]

Yes.

[autumn zinc]

CANDLEMAKER??

[hushed steeple]

Yes, the first spirit we see in Sky is known as pointing candlemaker.

[autumn zinc]

ah that guy

[pastel brook]

what if...

[hushed steeple]

I agree that…

[pastel brook]

My theory is that manta's are really soft to pet.

[hushed steeple]

Good theory. Great theory.

[autumn zinc]

Theory? This is c a n o n

|| probably ||

[hushed steeple]

It is canon, and it’s being used against us. We are under mattack. By a manta canon.

[tepid veldt]

as a photographer, the first one is so relatable

but also. theyre so adorable i love them

[hushed steeple]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[tepid veldt]

riiiight! i cant read time
(also esther, i would appreciate if you turned off pings when replying thank ye)

[hushed steeple]

Of course! I apologize for the ping!

[empty belfry]

Has anybody ever noticed that in the 1st krill area of wasteland theres a broken elder temple a lot like forest's temple? I always love that detail.

[crisp socket]

I just noticed, when a skykid loses a wl or gets krilled, they grow crystals not unlike those crystals featured in the prairie peaks

While we're at that, can someone explain what the home statues really are? like the ones in the shard memories and at home
What I mean is the fact that they have faces that seem to resemble a skykid's face. Is this from a lore standpoint or from a gameplay standpoint?

[hushed steeple]

I’m using for “I don’t know” or “ I’m not sure we/I have an answer”

[empty belfry]

I think of them as some sort of shrine kinda. But since we dont really know what they are exactly theres no real answer. I could go into detail and dpeth about what i think of them but its all specculation tbh,

Kind of like how elders glow when they recive a skids light i suppose theyre very simmilar to elders in nature, if that makes any sense.

Homespace statues glow when new dailies are here and such. But for the shrine bit i guess since sky kids are made of light they utilize that to transport them into and area at lightspeed.

But thats just how i see it tbh.

[stiff tangle]

Why was Alef aka the king created?

Maybe its kinda like adam eves situation where their made to fight of the sky version of Satan or something.

[nimble ingot]

This may be spoilers as prairie peaks is still in beta?

[lapis plover]

Any theories as to why so many masks have triangles? I used to assume it was a family mark but at this point, so many of the spirits have triangle masks...

[earnest briar]

Simple, the Spirits have recognized that triangles are cool.

[rustic glen]

I heard there's a shield (like the ones seen in wasteland) halfway thru eden, does anyone have a picture of it by any chance?

[native nacelle]

i just did eden and i have a new head cannon/theory
i dont have a picture but in the office theres a poster on the wall showing how each realm is a stage of life.
yknow how during the cutscene before orbit when you hug “yourself”.
i think the grey is the current lifes memories and the orange is the soul/spirit. and they come to gother to be reborn
(please lmk if this isnt considered lore discussion and i will remove it promptly if need be)

[stiff tangle]

💀

[woven void]

[hushed steeple]

There are actually two shields!

[desert ridge]

damn those are some cool swords

[torpid fjord]

I think my favorite part of sky lore is that sometimes we overthink things about their culture but in the end it always just leads to "they think it was cool"

[crisp socket]

aren't those the paddles the valley spirits use????

[desert ridge]

the paddles are much more trapezoidal

also I wouldnt be that surprised if the kingdom of sky modeled their swords in a similar way to their paddles

[crisp socket]

yes, but the spear mentioned is almost exactly the same to the wasteland spear

[desert ridge]

well I dont really see why there would be shields and paddles instead of swords in a place as hostile as eden

[autumn wasp]

sky players trying to expand on the 3 sentences worth of ingame lore:

[desert ridge]

I feel like shattering should of been so rich in lore but it just wasnt

[sharp lichen]

I think they were created to help the Sky world

[sharp lichen]

Disagreed, I have a whole video about Shattering’s lore

[distant turtle]

What if the mischief cat is just really staticky from so many people hugging and petting it

[brisk delta]

How did you get the little star symbol at the end of your name?

[stiff tangle]

Ooooo 😮

[sharp lichen]

Here it is: #promote-your-sky-content message

[keen shore]

The triangle shape is associated with ancestors a lot as a motif; you see it on a lot of their clothes too. It’s meant to symbolize their lack of flight (as one of the sides is usually parallel to the base / edge of the object, and appears grounded)

[tender rock]

So I was just hanging around the harmony hall when I noticed, there's a red Eden painting behind the vault of knowledge summit one, and in front of that very painting is another Eden painting, but I think that one's either blue or gray

[soft timber]

Oh cool! This could mean that at one point, the Performance crew either did see the Eden Crystal as it was before the Storm and paint it OR they took stories about the Crystal and painted it

[tender rock]

So I just saw SkyBot talking about how mantas can be soft and I just cant help but picture one sky kid dropping from somewhere onto a manta and just appreciating just how soft, poofy, and fluffy they are, and the manta, is just ok with it. Next thing it knew, there's another couple of sky kids falling onto it to just chill on its "fur" hehe

[lusty merlin]

Since I think it’s clear the diamond exploded and caused everything to die I would think the first one

[sharp lichen]

I think it’s an unfinished Eden painting. However, I still think the Performance spirits were alive during the storm, trying to weather through it

[tender rock]

It is possible that they were portraying both black and red shard eruptions, that would explain the coloring. Tho why would they put the red one behind the VoK Summit painting

[lusty merlin]

I mean eden is after vault do I guess it just goes in order of realm

[stiff tangle]

You know how the elders (+king) is named after a hebrew letter.

I wonder what the other few remaining letters would be like as elders too or something.

[soft timber]

Probably very notable spirits or even guides

[lusty merlin]

Just letting you know the names with Hebrew elders are no longer cannon, I believe ktjn even confirmed this multiple times, they’re more of just concept art/Fanon names a lot of folks still use

[soft timber]

True, but it does have some insight on what they originally planned looking at the twins

[sharp lichen]

Sky lore always follows the rule of cool (or rule of tragedy)

[lusty merlin]

In some times yeah but I think a ton of the meaning behind the herbrew names was erased and replaced as they developed sky more and overall scrapped them

the only reason I still use the herbrew names is because I perfer them over calling them Valley elder, Wasteland Elder ect

[sharp lichen]

Tsadi Tuesday lives on

Although I still prefer Sunset Sunday

[lusty merlin]

Yeah ofcorse, just making it clear the concept names aren’t they’re canon names

[rigid iron]

One of these days I should make a matching gif for every day of the week

[sharp lichen]

Happy Sunset Sunday!

Happy Moments Monday!

Happy Tsadi Tuesday!

Happy Wounded Warrior Wednesday!

Happy TS Thursday!

Happy Flight Friday!

Happy Shattering Saturday!

[earnest briar]

I vote we rename Wasteland Elder to Jeffrey. They feel like a Jeffrey to me.

[hushed steeple]

Johnson Stalatis.
That is wasteland elder’s new name.

[keen shore]

Vetoed

[lyric imp]

I suspect it's because they didn't want to add sounds of actual body damage to a game that's family friendly, though sometimes you can still hear more normal sounds when hitting things at high speed. I wouldn't consider the ding sound canon

[lyric imp]

Here's a piece of trivia - religious and scholarly things overlap everywhere but the modern west. Vedas were both religious/spiritual texts, but a signifficant portion was ancient science. And well, Sky seems to be heavily inspired by buddhism, hinduism, and confucianism

[lyric imp]

Compare with whale 'beak' in the underground cavern oob. Imo might be it. Also mind the fact that there are quite a few creatures that are both marine and aerial in sky

[blazing abyss]

O

[lyric imp]

It's seen from the inside, so you can't see that it's actually a whale, but i didn't have a better screenshot :c

[tardy stirrup]

Anybody got a lore for the Repository and the Sky guards?

[lusty merlin]

Wasteland war, season was confirmed the spirits were refugees from the war. Those guards could’ve been from the opposing side taking military control

[tardy stirrup]

Thanks so much!

[desert ridge]

it seems pretty well accepted that the skykids are golems of a sort of star clay

[lyric imp]

Imo it's possible since we don't see birth requiring prior people, though if skids are the same species as ancestors (which isn't a given), there is the motif of food. Not to mention of we look at sounds, few seen pottery related, while e.g. high five sounds normal

[desert ridge]

we get flung from the cosmos, also golems can still be aware of things around them

[hushed steeple]

A golem is more akin to summoning a creature, except you take clay, mold it, and then magically you give it a soul.

However, sky kids are different, there isn’t a time when they are a lifeless lump of clay. Rather, they are formed from the stars by a deity and sent down to the planet, more akin to a religious idea of the creation of life.
We’re not even 100% certain sky kids are made of clay, we just know it’s something like clay or something else. It’s possible, but not confirmed.

Also, stars obviously aren’t made of clay, I think we all know that, but something interesting is when stars explode their atoms and molecules fly all around, crashing into each other and make new materials. These materials include iron, nickel, and gold, and maybe some other metals too.

Fun fact: gold doesn’t form naturally on earth, it actually came from stars.
That might be why it has such a significance to light in Sky.

[lyric imp]

Imo the main argument against is still birth. I agree with Esther that they're probably more of an astral being of sorts, especially assuming we have some kind of physical form in orbit. I think there could be made a strong case for this, since it's essentially identical to our normal form, contrary to that child of light form we leave the light as

[desert ridge]

we just mean golem in this case as "human but rock"

[lyric imp]

Fun fact: the only way elements form on earth is through radioactive decay, so thevast majority of earth's mass came from space

[hushed steeple]

Ok, so long as you’re able to clarify and understand using the term can be misleading to some I’m sure it’s fine.

[desert ridge]

I mean saying that we may be actual golems, our creation seems for the purpose of transferring light from the world into the spirits, and thus we are a sort of vessel

also we have to be taught emotions

[hushed steeple]

Also, that’s very cool! But stars in particular directly make only certain metals. There are many materials(and maybe at least a few elements?)that can be formed on earth through various different ways, but gold can only be form in space through stars.

[hushed steeple]

That is a very controversial subject right there. Sky kids naturally have emotions as can be seen MANY times in the game. The emotes thing is likely just a game feature or an example of sky kids’ abilities to learn and copy things.

[desert ridge]

I can only think of one
well one in the core story without seasons

[hushed steeple]

Golems are specifically made when a non-living vessel gains life and consciousness, that is the core definition of a golem, that is how they are classified. Sky kids are specifically made from stars by a deity. They do not start as empty, lifeless husks that are given life by someone, they are instead born living. Something more comparable to a living organism on earth. Their birth is similar to different depictions of the religious creation of man kind.

[hushed steeple]

It can be seen in several cutscenes, as well as while you’re playing the game sometimes. Like how on you’re first few trips to orbit there is a button prompt to laugh once you reach the stone plate where you can get the elder hairs and masks. And sky kids show some reactions to the elders in the elder cutscenes. Not to mention the emotions tab seen in the festival tech that was introduced in the season of AURORA.

[nimble ingot]

Am going to approach this respectfully.

All creatures in the world would have to learn a skill at some point in their lives. For skykids learning an expression, this can be compared to teaching a real life child an expression. I am certain the game intended for players to experience their avatar (skykids) to develop character and grow as they progress in the game.
Emotions and gestures are different things.

I believe skykids can feel emotions regardless of emotes.
A skykid may be capable of feeling as much emotion as their players. The game subtly communicates this through character customisation, our personal experiences with our own skykids. Being able to meet and befriend other players through their skykids. A skykid is a reflection of their player actions and choices in the game.

The player has the choice to interact with as many spirits as they wish to progress in the game. The canon of skykids though is certainly in line with them learning more about the ancestors through the gestures they can mimic. Not all gestrues match that of the ancestors exactly. This proves that skykids are very much child like with learning thought imitation.

[desert ridge]

its hard to approach lore if the player is an actual factor in the story

[nimble ingot]

Agreed.

Not to mention decentralising what is canon lore (meaning that canon lore is not the centre of attention to general lore. Call me an academic lol)
And, "lore is open to interpretation"

Welcome to Lorechat. 🍀

[desert ridge]

I mean based on the isle murals, it really seems like the main reason we exist is to serve as vessels for the light

the light doesnt care what we do as long as we collect WL and then give them back to the spirits trapped in the world

[frigid tinsel]

Referring back to the golem discussion for a moment, just because something is made from inorganic materials doesn’t mean it is lifeless or mindless. In fantasy, many golems are and can be sentient. I don’t think golem is an inappropriate word to use for skykids as they are inorganic beings brought to life for a purpose, but that does not mean skykids have to be completely compliant

[nimble ingot]

Our mission from those murals were to:
save the spirits and bring the light back to the stars.

I take it means to free the spirits trapped in the realms (including the ones from seasons as they become accessible to us), and save the fallen as best we can.
Rinse and repeat till something else happens.

[desert ridge]

I dont mean 100% compliance either, I mean obviously we can do our own thing, but we have to make the eden run in the end

[frigid tinsel]

Honestly, you don’t have to. Yes, you have to go to Eden at least once per gameplay, but after you can avoid it. Similarly, if skykids’ established purpose is to save the spirits, then why go to Eden if there are no spirits there?

However there are skykids petrified in Eden. I take that as skykids’ own determined willingness to sacrifice themselves to save their kin

[desert ridge]

the statues seem to be entombed spirits
TBH its kind of hard to tell what they are

[frigid tinsel]

btw you don't need to be ping + reply to my every message, especially when there's no other ongoing discussion in the channel

and it's rather obvious they are petrified skykids – you yourself turn into one once you run out of light in Eden. petrified spirits are larger and require spirit memories and just a candle to free rather than winged light.

in older versions of the game, those statues would have the names of the player's friends, much like how their nametags appear over ascending skykids up to Orbit. that was likely changed because the implication of who you were saving – fellow petrified skykids – was obvious.

and TGC is allergic to text

[hushed steeple]

If they could, they would have everything be communicated in sign language to the player./j

[rigid iron]

Yeah! I think the existence of the petrified skykids paired with being able to do Eden multiple times is incredibly interesting because you basically sacrifice yourself for your kin to upgrade yourself to get better at sacrificing, until eventually the most determined of skykids is powerful enough to save everyone.

[desert ridge]

maybe the act of a skykid dying allows for the other spirits to ascend, I mean in orbit we see the other spirits with us as we ascend, they arent already there, so maybe our death (and maybe the skykids zooming into the crystal?) allows for those trapped on the planet to ascend

[hushed steeple]

I think they ascend when we either get to an elder temple or finish a season. Kind of as a sign of having no more obligations in this plain of existence maybe.

[desert ridge]

maybe they would but the corruption at eden prevents them, they need the break in the storm that only we can provide to escape

[hushed steeple]

I think it’s implied they ascend on their own.

[frigid tinsel]

spirits are ascended at Elder temples, many of them far outside the reaches of the Storm. though, I like the thought that some wait around for skykids to ascend later. many spirits are especially fond of skykids, so it is something I can see, but Elders ascend spirits so there really isn't anything stopping them from reaching the Light. still, that can complement the idea that spirits may wait for skykids – they don't have to go right away and it's sweet that they do

[desert ridge]

then why did the first skykid go to eden?

[hushed steeple]

It’s probably part of restoring the light.

[desert ridge]

idk, it just makes more sense to me if they need the destruction of eden that we are able to temporarily bring for them to escape

[nimble ingot]

Same as all the others it seems.
To seemingly cleanse the darkness, shepherd the light to Megabird to restore balance, help keep the cycle from completely stopping.

[frigid tinsel]

and yet even if a lone skykid saved all the petrified skids in stormlock, that skykid would ultimately die and have to be saved too. it's a cycle of self-sacrifice that may save some but never all

[desert ridge]

but there isnt any darkness in eden to cleanse, its completely and utterly overrun by the stuff, and unless there will be updates in the future, the light isnt being cleansed

[hushed steeple]

I still think there could’ve been a previous batch of Sky kids that had to sacrifice themselves to Eden and those are who we are saving.

[frigid tinsel]

tbh we don't know because we evidentially aren't the first skykids post-calamity – they are long gone themselves. my own thoughts on the matter vary but perhaps they thought they had to go there since that is where the call of the Light beckoned them. whatever the original intent for going to Eden has been lost to the motivation of saving fellow skykids trapped there

[hushed steeple]

Sky kids are just doing what they can. Remember, darkness is symbolism for various different things, very prominently pollution. And it’s not exactly easy to completely rid an entire city of pollution and gunk and stuff, especially when rocks are being hurled at you.

[desert ridge]

It just makes more sense to me that our sacrifice allows the spirits trapped below to escape instead of our sacrifice helping those who sacrificed themselves to help those who sacrificed to help those who sacrificed themselves to help those who...

a potentially millenia long sacrifice chain seems goofy to me

[frigid tinsel]

skykids aren't equipped to take care of such a deluge of darkness that has overtaken Eden. at best we push through the darkness just enough to help light – ancestor, skykid, or creature – continue flowing through the cycle.

it's a cycle, it's continuous. it is not merely pointless, rather the movement the point in it of itself.

[desert ridge]

so we are being called to eden by our creator to die just to keep the cycle going?

[frigid tinsel]

I don't think our creator, so to speak, calls for skykids to die. our only explicit mission is to save the spirits and that doesn't require dying in Eden. I think skykids' venture into Eden is one of their own choosing. again, we don't have to go to Eden, we can ignore the call after our first venture through the realms, yet skykids go anyways. they care so much and are so selfless to die for others

[desert ridge]

well are we saying that the player and their skid are the same thing?
because if so that makes the story meta which I dont think is what sky is trying to do

[hushed steeple]

Like a grandfather clock, the gears must continue spinning in sync with one another so that the hands may keep moving, constantly inching towards 12:00, the time in which a loud sound is played, the magnum opus of the grandfather clock. And then it hits 12:01 and the gears continue rotating in sync, working towards their goal of 12:00 once more.

[frigid tinsel]

well, we play as skykids. you can either see the skykid as a separate entity of themself who does things absent of the player's decisions or the skykid as yourself.

that is basically how all video games with playable characters operate. the protagonist can be a separate from the player but ultimately the player plays as the protagonist(s)

[desert ridge]

we play as a lot of people in videogames yet those characters will still do out the story within the world even if we arent there
thats the whole point of a linear story

[frigid tinsel]

well, Sky isn't a linear story. again, it's a cycle

[hushed steeple]

The most catastrophic moment of a grandfather clock is when the gears stop rotating. It broke. Now you will never know the time. The clock must be repaired.

[desert ridge]

well by that logic, every game with a linear story is a cycle

[frigid tinsel]

no, Sky is a cyclical story. that isn't reflective of other video games

[desert ridge]

but why have the grandfather clock be in the current era of emptiness and darkness and general despair? The kingdom of sky was a kingdom once

[frigid tinsel]

and the kingdom fell. skykids exist as a result of and to deal with the consequences

[hushed steeple]

Still gotta tell the time even when you’re sad. Losing track of time in the midst of a depression is a grave mistake.

[desert ridge]

yeah but with the current cyclical theory, the sadness is infinite and the goodness is finite and in the past
and its not like the past time were some mythical and impossible utopia, the spirits from that era depict a rather normal society

[frigid tinsel]

not really, as we can find joy in even the most sorrowful of eras whether from what can be pulled from the past or among the new generation. evidentially, the world is healing from the downfall of the kingdom. even if the scars of pollution remain, nature flourishes, skykids exist to help it. the world won't be the same as before and that's fine.

[hushed steeple]

The Kingdom of Sky is like a grandfather clock. This clock broke, we call this the shattering, when the kingdom fell. Sky kids are here to fix the clock. We keep going to Eden so that the clock doesn’t stop and possibly cause a catastrophe.

[desert ridge]

I dont know, that just feels incredibly unsatisfying

[hushed steeple]

Life is the same way.

One of Sky’s major themes is that of life, specifically the stages of life. Under this context the darkness represents something else. An interpretation of the player’s mind most often. For me it’s depression and childhood trauma.

[soft timber]

flies in and bonks a wall Am here for lore

[hushed steeple]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message
THIS IS WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT!!!!!/lh
Ok, now that I’ve spilled that out I can continue on with life!/j

[lyric imp]

Wasn't it neutron stars that made metals? I think thefinal product of fusion in stars was generally iron, but i haven't read up on this in ages

[lyric imp]

What deity?

[hushed steeple]

Maybe? All I know is that gold comes from stars, that’s what I was told in chemistry.

[hushed steeple]

Mega bird/the light.
The big cluster of stars shaped like a bird shaped wave in orbit.

[desert ridge]

supernova allows more conversion in a very short time

[lyric imp]

I've once heard that the first sky kid was sent to conquer/destroy eden or sth but failed miserably

[lyric imp]

Hold on, what do you think winged light is? Consider that for a moment

[hushed steeple]

Didn’t the devs say what it is?

[lyric imp]

Maybe they found themselves there during the calamity unintentionally and it killed them?

[lyric imp]

I'd rather say to make sure thpse who are trapped there currently aren't stuck in the void forever

[earnest briar]

They're apparently memories. Memories of what, I have no idea. But that means we can make silly theories about them and there doesn't have to be an argument about which theory is canon or not because we have no way of knowing!

[hushed steeple]

Every time you look into the sky, mega bird seals part of your soul into the landscape. Eventually, your soul will be eaten by a child./j

[earnest briar]

souls probably taste like lemon drops

[hushed steeple]

Nomnomno-
spit
||wait, are lemon drops good? I’m can’t remember. Are they the cough drops?||

It has officially been 24 hours since we got the Moments Guide’s info card.

[sharp lichen]

Then again, there are other family friendly sound effects then the very specific “ding”.

[hushed steeple]

Imagine every time you flew into a wall your sky kid said “Ow, that hurt!”

[sharp lichen]

Not exactly, it’s moreso expressions rather than actual emotions. The Skykids still have to do the interpretation. For example, the dramatic death done by ""Fainting"" warrior is interpreted by the Skykids as a comical falling down

[hushed steeple]

Sky kids to fainting warrior:
Bippitty boppity your death is now comedy!
/j

[sharp lichen]

That is true, trying to separate the gameplay from the story is an extremely difficult thing to do.

If the lore was accurate to the gameplay, than the player would have nothing to do, since all the spirits would have been ascended beforehand

It’s difficult to treat every single person in the world as a destined main character

[sharp lichen]

I think Skykids have multiple purposes: freeing the spirits, restoring the Sky world, preventing darkness from spreading, and taking care of the Light

[sharp lichen]

The Skykids are similar, they will still do things even if the player isn’t there. Skykids have probably other stuff to do while we aren’t there

[earnest briar]

Lemon drops are a hard candy actually!

[hushed steeple]

Ok, then probably good!

[earnest briar]

They definitely are. If you can manage to find some at a store, I would suggest buying some.

[hushed steeple]

Most definitely!!!

[sharp lichen]

I will claim that Sky isn’t exactly linear nor cyclical, but rather something else entirely

Things do progress (new seasons open up, new challenges face) but never in a sense that it ends.

[hushed steeple]

Like a story driven and more limited version of Minecraft!

[earnest briar]

Yeah! The story is always moving forwards, but you decide when it ends for you by choosing to stop playing.

[sharp lichen]

The main story is very linear, but after that you can personally choose how you engage with the game

[hushed steeple]

Like slime rancher too in a sense.

[earnest briar]

Like someone who stopped playing in the middle of Shattering could lorewise be someone who decided to permanently ascend to the Light and never found out the full story behind the shards.

[sharp lichen]

I like the idea that Sky players who quit permanently ascend to the Light

[earnest briar]

and maybe if someone decides to start playing again it could be something like the Sky kid deciding they want to return to the world below?

[torpid fjord]

Rebirth........

[tepid veldt]

theyre amazing
i really wanna see if we can find the secret spot, maybe its all cutely decorated or something

[keen shore]

wonder what animal their mask is!

[earnest briar]

It looks kinda lizard-like! (Dragon mask when TGC pls pls pls we already have the Krill Ult cape from Shattering I wanna be a dragon)

[hushed steeple]

Confirmation that the area is shifting time of day?

So excited, the update comes out tomorrow!!!

[cobalt palm]

I have such theories, but they need to wait...

However I was thinking...
If light recharges us, but so do clouds, and Eden is mostly made up of cloud, does that link us to the storm itself?
Clouds aren't what you would normally classify as "light", infact they are generally more associated with dark from the point of view below them. So I'm theorising that more than just our bodies being of a darkstone like substance, also our being is of the storm, like our light is bottled lightning.

[frigid tinsel]

I heard once that clouds recharge us because they reflect light. while the Eden Storm may generate a lot of darkness, it also generates a lot of clouds that reflect light. so, in a way, the Eden Storm perpetuates both literal darkness from shadows and material darkness

[cobalt palm]

That is true, even the unintended oob in Eden is incredibly bright

[hushed steeple]

You’re more likely to get sun burnt when it’s cloudy. Why? Cause the clouds diffuse the ultra violet light waves.

[soft timber]

Facts, like the devs could just keep the entire area dark to save on rescources and yet your eyes get blasted by light just like the devs intended

[hushed steeple]

Universal Blindness!

That was the plan all along!!!!

[soft timber]

Forget the ingame lore, the irl lore is just the devs blinding everybody /jk

[hushed steeple]

There’s a reason the intro specifically states it’s a sound based experience./j

[cobalt palm]

If we're going full External lore, I believe a few tgc members have a thing for clouds
They even made a game about it

[hushed steeple]

Right!
Cloud! The game that so few people talk about, I don’t even know if it’s real!!!

[cobalt palm]

#other-tgc-games message

Oh it's real, and it still works

[hushed steeple]

WOW!!!
So that’s what it’s about! Drawing!

[cobalt palm]

Not really theres a "creative mode" that makes drawing with clouds fun and visually nice, search for thatcloudgame and you should find it, it's linked on Jenovas website too

[lyric imp]

Do you really think that the ding was intended as a lore hint?

[lyric imp]

I think they're just souls, and tbh it seems pretty obvious to me. Upon death the blue sprite flies out of the body and then into the stars, then back down as a child of light. A sky kid collects it and returns it to its body. The scene in the void is body regaining its soul and finally being able to reincarnate. Whether the shiny skids that fly out of the statues are corporeal i do not know. It appears that in this game soul/spirit in general sense is almost synonymous with light

[lyric imp]

I think first of all we should get straight the fact that skids have about as much free will as the players, but in the same sense may be meant to do things, you know, destiny-spiritual kind of thing like many people think exists in the real world

[lyric imp]

Oob's are definitely not canon i think

[hushed steeple]

What enzan said is a statement from the developers. That means it is canon.

[tepid veldt]

obviously, the ding is very important /lh

[frigid tinsel]

there's a quip after a moth sees the Isle intro up to the first winged light that calls winged light "lost memories." it's a moth exclusive text so that's more canon than just a line said out of game by the devs

[restive orbit]

Not sure if this is lore or not but here

I just realized this but is the baby menta in forest the same menta that's get krilled in golden waste????

[lusty merlin]

No I wouldn’t say so, could just be subtle foreshadowing

I mean if you want to believe it’s the same manta you can

[restive orbit]

Ok

[earnest briar]

Hello lorechat, I would like to inform you that I have been rotating Reliable Ranger in my mind like a rotisserie chicken to Creative Exercise from Mario Paint. The scrungly.

[hushed steeple]

Sounds humane enough.

[nimble ingot]

/general

I am finally starting to see why the devs have written the lore of Sky to be open ended.

[lyric imp]

That makes as little sense as it gets, although imo my theory still holds if we replace 'soul' with just 'light'. It's hard to question it this far bc it's said 'return the light to the fallen'. We know that the dead skids lose it upon death and need to regain it in order to be reborn, and probably to remain whole. If that's the case, it functions as the immaterial part of a skid's being, so whatever we call it, it seems to be effectively soul

Although memories and souls seem strongly connected, since we literally relive spirits memories to save them

[north sinew]

can anyone tell me what are the meanings of these symbols?especially the mask- it really helps me if u know abt it;-; what are they called and is there any others of them?

[nimble ingot]

Triangles (especially the ones that point up) are a reference to the ancestors' devotion to the sky. Being they are creatures unable to fly, and yet insist on striving towards living in the sky with tall towers, flying boats and riding flying creatures such as teh manta.

The arrows that point down, as assumingly (me speculating) a reference to the ground, more so the water. As it is the origin of life for light creatures.

In Orbit, we have both of these elements, the water and the sky together. And from that, I presume is possibly where the diamond comes in. Where both halves are united and also is a reference to the dark stone.

The stars are similar to the up traingle symbolism, albeit specifically referencing the light of the stars.

[north sinew]

thanks so muchhhhh!!!!

[nimble ingot]

no worries.
Note, I learned about the triangle symbolism from a documentry of Sky (a video on Youtube).
The diamond is a deduction theorists can make in the game.

the down arrow is me speculating, as I have not found solid evidence for it. Other than the symbol for the green light being a down triangle and references Earth (which may include water, based on the ground in Orbit symbolically recognised as Holy Ground).

[north sinew]

can you share me the vid?thx i wanna know more about sky

[nimble ingot]

I cannot recall which video exactly, sadly. I was looking over the ones I have in a playlist.
What I recall was something about the design of the ancestors were done with the idea in mind that they dont fly, therefore have bodies that reflect this.
This is also reflected in thier architecture (buildings), with wide bases that lead up to ta point, like a triangle pointing up to the mountain. Which is a monumental landmark in the game.

[hushed steeple]

I’m currently reading A Silent Spring by Rachel Carson for school and Oh My Light I think the stuff talked about in there may be far more atrocious than ANYTHING the ancestors did maybe!!!!
I don’t know though, do you recall a point when some elders and maybe even the king sprayed LITERAL DEADLY POISONS all over the kingdom -against the pleas of literally everyone else- just so you can fail at exterminating an insect that invaded DECADES ago and is arguably less a menace and more a solution to SEVERAL problems with insects that you treated the same way!!!!!!! AND STILL FAILED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’m not kidding, this is literally something from the book. And it’s barely even scratching the surface.

Sorry, that was pretty off topic. I guess it’s just more reassuring for my view of the ancestors to know that, there are FAR worse things that could’ve happened!

[nimble ingot]

It would not surprise me if TGC took notes from books.

They did look at Joseph Campbell's a Hero's Journey. However, this is not considered the main format for Sky. As in, some parts may resemble it, but Sky is using a different story telling format, The Collective Journey (source: https://youtu.be/wQP9spsb_IQ?t=1188)

It would not surprise me either if Sky took notes from Studio Ghibli, or other franchises.
The Little Prince can be confirmed to be an influence given its collab.

[muted orbit]

Hello Everyone, I asked what this was in #questions-and-help and they told me to ask here, because this was apparently a part of lore? (Found in hf, following a tunnel)

[nimble ingot]

Simple answer: if it has a story to tell, it would be 9/10 be lore in Sky.

What is your question on the mural?

[muted orbit]

I was wondering what it was supposed to represent? It seems interesting

[hushed steeple]

I believe it depicts the ancestors transferring imports and exports of the Hidden Forest.

[true grove]

it shows boat taking pots (probably with raw materials) to the forest temple

[nimble ingot]

Surprisingly enough, this user gave a very good answer on what this was.
#questions-and-help message ~ Wren

It was an old quest. Frankly, I think TGC should bring these back.
That way, more folks can learn about the lore in the game instead of diving in wiki pages, fan knowledge, and archives.

[lusty merlin]

Yeah, it might also be from Prairie as we see pots being loaded with light to forests temple. Presumably to be used in darkstone/power diamonds (think of those things we light up to activate doors, platforms, ect) basically sky’s version of electricity

[true grove]

forest temple used to be a diamond factory and the temple door opening sequence shows utilizing trees as well as the stuff in pot to make diamonds

[hushed steeple]

I’m not so sure on trees.

[true grove]

you also find pots containg butterflies in many areas of different realms so a theory is that butterflies (light energy) was used to make diamonds

[nimble ingot]

Its possible given the temple door custscene hints at the trees being used in the process

[hushed steeple]

Ah, I see.

[true grove]

the opening sequence shows tree being cut from which we get two blue diamonds that get combined with two golden diamonds to form a big diamond

i think the trees were used to make a outer casing of the diamond by mixing with dark stone

[lusty merlin]

Yaya, though later on, probably from constant demand, they switched to manta light by trapping them (seen in abyss murals very clearly). So I think seeing the pots of butterflies could show the earlier time of darks-tone production in a way

[nimble ingot]

possibly, Bean.

There is also a possibility they were using the lumber for firewood to run the forge.

Sky lore tends to be figurative and literal at times.
However, it is open ended, so it is open to discussion. 👍

[true grove]

abyss wasnt so much of a factory but a testing facility to test how they can extract energy from them efficiently and by accident introduced or increased the effect of darkness (hence the krill invasion or creation)

[true grove]

could be, fire also charges up the darkstone so it might be used in that way also

[lusty merlin]

I feel it can be both, since there also was a mine beside the underwater facility

[nimble ingot]

Concept art mentioned the realm to be themed after logging, mining and a bit of industrialisation (factory).

Frankly hope to see some of these ideas used in a future season for the realm.

[true grove]

i would love a season based on the daily life of sky people, no ultimate goal just people living their lives. we get it in parts of other seasons but a season based around how the community lived together would be fun

[lusty merlin]

Id adore that! I love to just watch and see how differnt ancestors lived their lives

[true grove]

oh that would be cool

also since we know so little about them, maybe seperate them from their god like image and tell a story about their early life

[nimble ingot]

Imagine a season of lumber.
And skykids be gifted an axe. 🪓

[lusty merlin]

Like pre death? Little confused on what you mean by god like image

[earnest briar]

I think Bean is talking about the Elders.

[placid bronze]

Could someone catch me up on the lore of sky

[nimble ingot]

That depends on how much you missed, I am afraid

[placid bronze]

Well, what have y’all talked about in the last 10 minutes 🤷🏻‍♂️

[keen shore]

I gotta wonder if Nightbird Whisperer is related to Light Whisperer and Bird Whisperer, iirc the last two are canonically siblings (might just be family I can’t remember)

[nimble ingot]

Enzan suggested Bean was referring to the elders in a suggestion about learning how cool it would be to know what the elders were like before they were elders.

(On a serious note, the lore chat is just that. We are not paid researchers who would endulge the entire lore at a drop of a hat. You are welcome to ask and talk about what you learned about the lore. )

That would be interesting to look into in the season, Salem

[keen shore]

Nightbird Whisperer’s hair also looks very similar to Bird Whisperer’s, their clothes look like Flight’s, the three are all whisperers & pretty close together regionally

[balmy spoke]

New lore just dropped #news

39 types of creatures from their call

Where are they and what are they? ^^

[nimble ingot]

I would guess Deer is one of them (reference to concept art)

[balmy spoke]

I wouldn't mind if they introduced deer into the game but I understand leg movement Is, hard , done well at least.

We need more floating creatures ^^ hmm

[nimble ingot]

If they can do Krill legs, they can do anything /hj

[balmy spoke]

Floating deer.. I suppose so

[hushed steeple]

The hardest thing to make is a horse!

Idea: plankton and tardigrades in Sky that are like the size of your hand!!!

Wait, we’ve already got plankton in Sky…
But those ones can only be as small as your head and as big as a house!!!!

[hushed steeple]

Maybe, they both share the exact same hair.

[raven olive]

We should add a light deer that you can ride during a Christmas event!

[autumn zinc]

That is a quality good idea ∆

[raven olive]

Ikr I'm smart

Lol

[nimble ingot]

Petition for deer in Sky

#wishlist-and-ideas-archived

[raven olive]

Good idea!

[autumn zinc]

C:

[earnest briar]

I think Nightbird Whisperer would love the Fire Trial. It's enrichment for them.

[autumn zinc]

w h y ?

[lusty merlin]

Id adore some frogs or toads, especially in forest. Would fit right in

[autumn zinc]

The Season of Animals!

[raven olive]

Maybe in forest they will add them

[earnest briar]

Also I literally thought Nightbird Whisperer had a tiny nest on their head with a bird in it when I first looked at them ngl tho that'd be a cute accessory

[autumn zinc]

How many animals are even in Sky??

[lusty merlin]

Not alot tbh, that we physically see ingame

Guess it’s so there’s not to many unique models in order to keep game storage low but still

[earnest briar]

The lack of biodiversity saddens me. I want to see more animals dangit

[raven olive]

Jellyfish, krill, manta, king krill, birds, butterflies, domino, krill cat, crabs, red shard crabs, etc.

[autumn zinc]

domino?

[earnest briar]

I think Lilith meant Oreo.

[raven olive]

Dog

[autumn zinc]

o h

[raven olive]

Oh yeah, sorry

[earnest briar]

Also Oreo's canonicity is debatable considering he's a tribute to one of the dev's pets.

[balmy spoke]

At least 39 in the lore

XD and most only by number

[raven olive]

Well, he's in the game and it requires around 8 or so players to see him so technically he's canon.

[autumn zinc]

And there's all the animal masks that the spirits have

[lusty merlin]

I think he’s more of a Easter egg

[earnest briar]

Like yeah it would be funny if the Ancestors decided to bury a dog in a presumably sacred area because of how much of a good boy he was, but he's probably not canon.

[autumn zinc]

Canon in my heart

[raven olive]

@autumn zinc want to scan my friend code for switch?

[autumn zinc]

Ooo- don't have my devices that I play Sky on with me right now! I would if I could

[raven olive]

Oh dang

[nimble ingot]

yo, I just noticed.
nightbird and navigator have similar colour coordination.
Blue for the left, and orange for the right, for navigator.
Orange for the left, and blue for the right, for nightbird.

Talk about playing with oppposites ❤️

[autumn zinc]

We have krill cat in game- a dog in Sky is pretty believable

[raven olive]

I can't pull one up for you rn anyways, scheduled maintenance TwT

[autumn zinc]

oof

[raven olive]

Picture still loading TwT

[hushed steeple]

PUT BOTH THEIR CODMETICS TOGETHER RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!/j

[raven olive]

Scheduled maintenance lasts till 4:00 for me

[hushed steeple]

Lasts till 6:00 pm where I’m at 💀

[raven olive]

Wow, I'm guessing you are in EST(eastern standard time)?

I'm in Montana rn

[nimble ingot]

be careful what you wish for 🙂

[raven olive]

No.

[hushed steeple]

Central time actually.

[raven olive]

Oh wow

[hushed steeple]

I know exactly what I’m doing with my request…

Ok, no pings for a moment, I’ve gotta drive.

[raven olive]

[hushed steeple]

Ok, you can ping if ya wanna.

2hr and 34 minutes left till Sky reopens.

Oooo, the update has been released!

[reef olive]

Gasp ooooh that’s true that’s true!

[nimble ingot]

The drawing is ready 🙂

[reef olive]

Omigoodness please share 👀

[hushed steeple]

Spirit fusion!!!!

[nimble ingot]

@hushed steeple
lol yes!
#sky-fanart-sketches-and-art-chat message

[hushed steeple]

YESSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!

[nimble ingot]

+- 30 min drawing and line art. Not bad. 🙂
Thanks Esther for the idea.

[hushed steeple]

No problem, it’s always a pleasure for me to have ideas slither into people’s heads through their ears and/or pupils!!!!!

[nimble ingot]

The best kind of bobbit.

The inspirational kind ✨

[hushed steeple]

The bobbit that fishes for copy right infringement!!!

[nimble ingot]

XD

[hushed steeple]

That reminds me!!!

[nimble ingot]

Yes, yes it is.

You know why?
Because a ghost trapped in its bones said so. /j

[hushed steeple]

Ah! Of course! A random dead person has all the credibility in the universe!!!!/j

[stable roost]

Uhhmm.. is there any crash course resource listing all different theories/lore?
I see that everything is really scattered and there is no centralized source for all my lore needs

[hushed steeple]

This was the original model of the sanctuary whale when season of sanctuary was first in beta!/j

[nimble ingot]

There are some handy links in the pinned messages.

[nimble ingot]

...you menace... lol

[hushed steeple]

Here, so you don’t have to open a link.

What the heck

[nimble ingot]

All you had to say original and beta.

[hushed steeple]

Not everyone knows what whales used to look like though.

YES!!!! FINALLY!!!!!!

Wait, I don’t think that’s the right animal💀💀💀💀💀

[nimble ingot]

I do happen to know the original whale model in light awaits.

And its in the live game actually.
Just not at its original size.

[hushed steeple]

Ok, let’s hope this works.
This is such a mess.

[hushed steeple]

Intrigue

[nimble ingot]

You'll find it swimming in the ruins of Treasure Reef (season of Abyss).
It has a long eel-like body, and it leaves bubble trails in its wake.

[hushed steeple]

Ah, I had a sneaking suspicion that’s what you were talking about!

[nimble ingot]

Its true tho.
back in light awaits, it was at one point considered to make brief appearances in the clouds in dawn.
I suspect it was later replaced by the king tuna (whale) and unused till the season. Which I am glad to see.

There is even concept art that suggested them to live in Eden, as you would have flown past them similar to the Whale in the live game.

I suspect these are likely the lost Light Dragons (uncorrupted Krill)

[hushed steeple]

I know, I think I showed a video of it a while ago here.

I can’t find the video

1hr and 46 minutes till Sky reopens

[sharp lichen]

For now we have birds, flight birds, butterflies, mantas, big mantas, krill, dark dragon, crabs, peaceful crabs, shard crabs, whale, dark whale, whurtle, turtle, ouppy

[soft timber]

Ah yes, the ouppy

[sharp lichen]

All of it? Then this: https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

[distant turtle]

Exactly me in the Prince area this week

[placid bronze]

Thanks

[soft timber]

Every large pile of bones: Exists
Paul: Ah yes, definitely a large whale had died here. Mhm! Couldn't be anything but a whale

[hushed steeple]

Ok, here’s something interesting,
This is called a fish, but
This is called a whale.
Now, these are the same creature, so which classification is correct?
I think it’s a big fish since it has visible scales, a vertical tail fin, and even an eco skeleton for a head, very similar to a coelacanth.

Here’s a list of every known light creature off the top of my head:

Four winged blind manta, pygmy manta, common manta(of all sizes), paper birds, 3D birds, night birds, sanctuary whale, big fish, koi, big flat fish(sun fish?), trainable fish, knife shaped fish, tiny knife shaped fish(?), eel thing, ouppy, crab(?), very long centipede manta, sea jelly, coral, sea turtle, whurtle, sea star(?), elder bird, uncorrupted krill(?), butterflies, fire flies(maybe?), and king jelly.

[nimble ingot]

both are correct.

The devs confirmed some names given to files the game are placeholders or internal nicknames.
Meaning, while this is a whale. Some files for it may call it Tuna King, Big Fish, or Whale.

Canonically, I see it being a debate between fish (based on its call), and Whale ( based on its relevant spirit that gives the call, Whale Whisperer).

reference for tuna king: #lore-discussion-spoilers message
source: #general-sky-discussion message

[hushed steeple]

Physically, that is a fish, but I guess sky doesn’t really follow the rules anyway lol!

[nimble ingot]

whales are mammals.
But has never stopped mankind to still use the inaccurate name.

[hushed steeple]

One of the whales ancestors was originally believed to be a Dino, so it’s name was given saurus, when it was discovered to be a whale ancestor, they refused to change the name!!!!

[pastel brook]

@hushed steeple you said you'd help me in Eden, right?

[hushed steeple]

Oh, yeah, definitely!!! You just go on ahead and I’ll meet up with you in the point of no return!!!

[nimble ingot]

I was wondering who it was running for the hills down the mountain XD

[hushed steeple]

Sky bot really chose the wrong person to shove words into their mouths…
I mean mouth singular because I don’t have more than one normal mouth!!!

[lyric imp]

Irl element symbols

Alternatively, a straight line is often used instead of that angle thingy. I think there may be a connection. Iirc one may have been used directly in the ark murals

[hushed steeple]

THISE WERE THE EXACT ELEMENTS INTRODUCED IN PROPHECY!!!!!

[rustic glen]

Where can we find these symbols in the game?

[hushed steeple]

58 minutes till Sky reopens!!!

[lapis swift]

Maybe explained already, sorry didn’t see. Why is the planet flying apart and or animals attacking(seed song quest and concert)? I saw the mining operations and maybe the crystals have something to do with it?

[lyric imp]

I'd make a case it could be something different. I think we see what darkstone was transported in by the polluted geyser. Additionally, why would anyone transport solids in narrow-neck pots? Imo it suggests either imports from prairie, or trade with something entitely different being exported

[hushed steeple]

Those gold objects may be parts of a mechanism.

[hushed steeple]

I believe that was the old symbol used for the purple light. However, all those symbols are now outdated as TGC updated them to match the prophecy symbols. They included purple and red light in this update possibly for the sake of continuity between styles.

[lyric imp]

Possibly? Though you don't see them in any mechanism in game and they have clear openings

[hushed steeple]

They are on either side of the forest temple and first krill area.

[lyric imp]

Oh...

You think those things at the geyser were supposed to be used in the bells or sth related?

[hushed steeple]

Yeah. It seems gold has a property relating to light in sky.

[lyric imp]

I wonder why we see darkstone pollution suck out light, but not the crystals. It may be either the the level of fragmentation, or gold may also have sth to do with it, e.g. serve as a protection... But another possibility is gold as some sort of a catalyst or a complimentary element

In 8 player area, we light the darkstone, but it's the golden part that moves
Okay this kinda makes sense

[hushed steeple]

Dark stone is representative of the Industrial Revolution. The cause of pollution during that time was from the machines using fuel and excess waste being improperly disposed of, not exactly the machines existing.

[lyric imp]

Yes, that is quite clear. I'm thinking whether, logically speaking, could consume light in an unwanted way. Though i suspect not, since we carry it in the abyss missions, hence probably it's related to surface area. Maybe we cpuld think of either mild dilution or darkstone dust in the forest, analogous to our industrial byproducts

[hushed steeple]

The light is being drained by stuff like dark water because the darkness represents the pollution caused by improper disposal of waste and burning fuels. The counter part to the fuel appears to be the use of light creatures or light in general for dark stone. The pollution would naturally be harmful to living things, this is why it drains our light.

[tough sky]

I would like to think a bit with you but I am a bit lost, would it be possible to summarise things a bit?

[earnest briar]

funny gem things were made with souls from animals and are (quite likely) an allegory for fossil fuels and their effects on the environment

[hushed steeple]

A lot of it comes from plankton.
In fact, these specific plankton absorb A LOT more CO2 than trees!!!!

[lyric imp]

I'm aware that it symbolises polution, but it's hard to logically make sense of the lore if we look at original symbolism. I see the symbolism as inspiration and assume there still is some strict mechanism of how things work in game

[hushed steeple]

Think pesticides but made of random junk and animal murdering.

[lyric imp]

Yeah btw how do you think darkstone is related to animal death? I originally though animals could charge it or die from it, but from what i'm reading a popular theory is that they killed animals to create it

[hushed steeple]

Yes. That’s where the fossil fuels equivalent comes from.

[lyric imp]

Kind of makes sense symbolically. Extinguishing the light from light creatures creates darkness

I also wondered if the long manta centipede in the abyss mural is seen anywhere. If not, i wondered if it could have got corrupted to become the abyss monster

[hushed steeple]

That’s exactly what happened actually. The dark leviathan is the long manta centipede.

[lyric imp]

Which supports the theory that krills were originally light creatures... Although we see a krill in the prophecy cave mural. It depicted the old kingdom, meaning krills must have existed before the fall

[hushed steeple]

Yes, that is something that’s been known for a really long time.

[lyric imp]

You seem to know a lot, Esther

[tough sky]

There were krill in the Season of Aurora memory in the Wasteland so they have been here for a long time

[hushed steeple]

Mmmmmaybee….

[lyric imp]

I suspect the same krills that are there in the present day might have been used during the battle of wasteland. I wouldn't be surprised if they were deliberately brought there from eden or sth

[lyric imp]

Aurora events don't seem that early in the lore tho. Consider that before the fall wasteland prpbably wasn't a wasteland yet

[hushed steeple]

It’s more likely they were never something the ancestors intended to happen.

[tough sky]

That's why I'm mentionning it, they seem to have been there before or during the battle there

[lyric imp]

I have a key question. Battle happened after the eden catastrophy, correct?

[hushed steeple]

No

[tough sky]

Is there a theoretical chronological order of the seasons yet?

[nimble ingot]

It is more likely before.

[nimble ingot]

'we're' working on it /j

[tough sky]

I am so lost
The Eden catastrophe what we see in Season of Shattering? Do we see it elsewhere

I'm sorry, I feel really behind

[sharp lichen]

I think that each Aurora event was set during a different time period

[hushed steeple]

10 More Minutes Til Sky Reopens!!!!!

[lyric imp]

So this segment of timeline would be
-conflict between the king and the rest of the elders
-battle between eden and wasteland
-king loses and dies
-eden catastrophy
Yes?

[hushed steeple]

I dunno, the timeline’s a bit vague.

[tough sky]

There was a king? I am so so lost...

[hushed steeple]

I think you need Baudshaw’s beginner lore doc.

[sharp lichen]

The Eden Elder, seen in the very end of the Vault Elder cutscene

[earnest briar]

Esther, we only have some murals to go off of which quite likely took artistic liberties. We can't say that the Leviathan was the long Manta with 100% certainty.

[tough sky]

Oh yes! I knew about that actually! I am much more tired than I thought

[sharp lichen]

Yes, those two are the same thing

[tough sky]

That is a very high probability though
Maybe not 100% but at least 90%

[sharp lichen]

I have one, but it’s very theoretical

[lyric imp]

Imo it's very likely if there is no trace of the manta centimede. It either got eaten by the leviathan, or it is the leviathan

[earnest briar]

they're divorced actually. The Leviathan told me so.

[tough sky]

If there is a mural with a long creature and we see another long creature, they're very likely the same

[earnest briar]

I'm joking about the divorce thing

[lyric imp]

Albeit the shapes in the murals don't quite add up. The location does, though

[tough sky]

That's better than nothing
I was planning on working on that after I write everything on every season

[tough sky]

It was really funny /gen

[junior cairn]

Can someone sum up the lore for me I just joined the lore part of this game ;-;
I kinda know there's a prince??

[sharp lichen]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

This has it, along with explanations. It’s missing Aurora (which is scattered everywhere), Remembrance (which is probably between Dreams and Flight) and Passage (which is probably in the same place as Sanctuary)

[lyric imp]

I love the concentration of autism in this chat

[tough sky]

Light creatures and dark creatures are very different, if it is a corrupted light creature, it changing shape is logical

[hushed steeple]

ONE MINUTE TIL SKY’S GRAND REOPENING!!!!!!!!!!

[tough sky]

I was thinking the same thing

[earnest briar]

Yippie!

[sharp lichen]

There is a “Prince”, but it’s only a fanmade name, there’s no official names. You can see it in the final part of the Vault Elder cutscene

This document has some basic parts of Sky lore: https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

[tepid veldt]

i just want to say that they have a lil leaf with a raindrop on it

[earnest briar]

it's so cute

[hushed steeple]

slurp

[tough sky]

The Little Prince is weird because it is based on a book before everything else

I think it is the only season with which we actually interact with a character, the other ones, especally Abyss, felt more distant, so it could be current events?

No wait

Thinking is hard tonight

[junior cairn]

ty

[rugged stump]

idk if this is lore but the TGC intro is the beginning of "Pure Imagination" from Willy Wonka

[hushed steeple]

OH MY LIGHT IT IS!!!!!!!

[rugged stump]

i just realized it after listening to the song

[hushed steeple]

Come with me
And you’ll be
In a world of
Child chaos taxes

[rugged stump]

WHAT

[lyric imp]

Is it just me or does dominating children sound kinda weird /j

[tough sky]

I should go to sleep but I'm still awake so I will be taking my switch and play, I'll see if I can find some interesting things

[hushed steeple]

WAIT!!!!! I CAN FIX IT!!!!!!

[rugged stump]

"I already fixed it, and you're NOT coming back"

[lyric imp]

What just happened LMAO

[rugged stump]

are you like actually polish?

[hushed steeple]

ITS FIXED, SEE!!!!!

[lyric imp]

Seriously

[tough sky]

That's 3am for me

I'll be sleeping then

[hushed steeple]

Go to bed, you shouldn’t be up this late.

[lyric imp]

Same here, except i won't be sleeping

[rugged stump]

yeah sky will have "mostly positive" reviews AT BEST on steam, it's kind of handicapped by android

[nimble ingot]

ey

(fair tho...)

[stable roost]

I thought this was already known due to the switch release trailer that had light krills as carrier mules https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBQRCHusYyU

[rugged stump]

if sky just looked like the switch trailer...

[tough sky]

You should

[tough sky]

The switch wouldn't be able to run the game, or barely (and I say that as someone who almost exclusively plays on the switch, it is one of my favourite consoles)

[lusty merlin]

well they're confirmed corrupted so it checks out

[hushed steeple]

Don’t want to make yourself susceptible to the seven blind children.

[rugged stump]

as much as i love the game and the fact that no other game like sky exists, i have some painfully harsh criticism that I'm kind of scared to share

[lyric imp]

Where

[nimble ingot]

We dont know for sure what the creature is called in the trailer

[hushed steeple]

Welp, now I have to be elsewhere when Sky reopens.

[stable roost]

Doesn't this look like krill? Or am i wrong

[lyric imp]

I could be a responsible adult and do it, or i could do that damn CR and make it candle-wise to get both the cape and the fox mask

[nimble ingot]

It doesn't have spikes, charcoaled body, 20 legs and a pair of horns (corrupted or not)

[lyric imp]

Length and stoutness doesn't add up either

[tough sky]

That's the closest thing there is to a krill, it has the light at least

[nimble ingot]

I could argue it being more akin to an elder bird , or an adult sky seal.
Not to mention it arguably being a different creature entirely.

[lusty merlin]

i like to think it could be the uncorrupted version, but for how drastic this is from what we seen ingame it's hard to tell

then again we dont know how much corruption can shift a light creature

[lyric imp]

???

[tough sky]

It is probably closely related anyway

[nimble ingot]

Humans have a lot in common with a banana as far as genetics is concerned.

Heaven knows how these creatures are related in Sky logic.

[stable roost]

You might be right but it kinda reminded me of krill when i first seen it
Especially the circle thingy on their head
There could be a possibility that they get transformed a bit because of darkness, right? 😭

[lyric imp]

I'm pretty sure Jenova doesn't know either yet

[nimble ingot]

You may be surprised to know it was Jenova who confirmed this (Krill are corrupted), in a live stream ._.

[tough sky]

A bit yes, but it is way too small I think

I might be a type of krill related creature though

Or another species of krill than the ones we see, like there are different species and sizes of manta

Maybe it is a baby krill too (less likely, but possible)