lore-discussion-spoilers

[earnest briar]

I can see how you would make that connection. Though sadly, the existence of the Wind Paths debunks it, since it has connections to all the realms. And I don't think the Flight Guide has access to time traveling technology, though it would be neat if they did.

[hushed steeple]

Dr. Whom traveling around in their diamond!/j

The gimmick is it’s smaller on the inside than it looks on the outside!/j

[sharp lichen]

My theory on the two temples being similar is that they both had the same function. The success of the Forest temple prompted another one to be built farther away.

Yeah, the “orbit” starry area at the end of Eden

[gleaming crow]

Oh that makes sense!

[hushed steeple]

Fun fact: since Ekkuhlypse is fully light and fully dark/void, there is an INCREDIBLY difficult possibility of them splitting into the moth and the butterfly. These two are called Sollikuh and Atraeps.

[inner comet]

wait what are the elders names again? Aren't they based off of hebrew (or arabic idk) letters?

[viral bay]

Ayin, Teth, Sah/Mekh, Tsadi, and 2 more that i forgot

[lusty merlin]

Elder Names by Alasdair#8513

The Elders (plus the king & prince) have names based off Hebrew letters from concept development that are no longer canon, though the fandom sometimes refers to them as such:
Isle – Daleth (ד)
Prairie – Ayin (ע)
Forest – Teth (ט)
Valley – Samekh (ס) (they share a name, though the fandom refers to as Sah and as Mekh)
Wasteland – Tsadi (צ)
Vault – Lamed (ל)
Prince – Alef (א)
King – Resh (ר)

Though it seems the devs refer to the Elders by the times of day their realms represent:
Isle – Dawn
Prairie – Day
Forest – Rain
Valley – Sunset
Wasteland – Dusk
Vault – Night
Eden – Storm

[reef fulcrum]

King and Prince? Like... The ones in Starlight Desert?

[viral bay]

Nope king/prince as in the figure that played a significant role in Sky history, the King of the sky kingdom

[reef fulcrum]

Without talking about geography, I go hard on the Time Travel aspect. It's all based on photons and the nature of "C" (the constant velocity of light in spacetime) there are some videos I could dm you, if you'd like to think about this for hours, lol.

[viral bay]

We don't see him in a distinct cutscene like other elders, but signs and symbols of him are displayed all through out the kingdom

It is thought that the king discovered darkstone, a stone material able to consume light and convert to energy, which helped to revolutionize technology of Sky. He seems also to be the one who got filled with greed, exploited and killed too many light creature to fill diamonds made out of darkstone, and caused the Eden explosion which filled Sky with darkness and decimated the population.

[reef fulcrum]

Sounds like a metaphor for humanity.

[viral bay]

The prince is usually referred to the uncorrupted version of the King, before he got consumed by corruption

[reef fulcrum]

Not a seperate person?

[viral bay]

Definitely. Sky realms symbolizes a lot of things, including the cycle of life, rise and fall of civilization,...

[viral bay]

We don't know for sure. But the theory of them being the same person is more popular i think.

[reef fulcrum]

Right on. Duality of mankind.

[hushed steeple]

Would anyone like to see my Ekkuhlypse redesign?(a character from my Sky fan thing)

[nimble ingot]

Looks like the app stores have already dropped a teaser for the next season.
Looks like a nice outdoor area this season. o.o

[sharp lichen]

COWBOY HAT

[tiny anvil]

Arabic and Hebrew have ties with each other 🤔 alef is also a letter in our alphabet but it's the first one. أ

[keen shore]

I would also like to add that their existence in the final game is heavily debated and the character described here was only shown that way in concepts; we don’t know how much they changed before the final version although there is evidence it was quite a bit

[hushed steeple]

BOOM!!!
I forgot the wings.

[hushed steeple]

I love that cape.
It’s a really great cape.

[hushed steeple]

Funny to think THIS is basically how Ekkuhlypse started.

[hidden vessel]

Hi lore chat, recently, there has been a strange phenomenon! Some butterflies have mutated?! ||yes it’s a bug but I’d love to see lore chat take it seriously|| Whatever it looks like (Black olives/small dark worms/social wax balls) do you guys have any theories

[hushed steeple]

Le Revolution de Méchant hath begun!!!!!!

It’s the sign Sollikuh and Atraeps are nearby in their purgatory.

[balmy spoke]

I too would love to hear all of your takes on it.

Isle has orbs on it, I wonder how many chibi's an elder orb will be xD

[hushed steeple]

Maybe I’ll check it out once I get home!/j XwX

[tiny anvil]

I feel like the rainy locations symbolize teenage hood because of the rain so it's like. The moody aspect of being a teenager. Plus the whole music thing in general feels kind of more emotional or sensitive ? Also the colour purple feels like a moody thing

[old prism]

is there a colletion of the lore of the game? like on the wiki or something,

[pseudo crescent]

Idk if I'm in the right channel with this but is that mountain with eden ontop that you see in every realm actually a mountain or is it clouds? I just noticed it kinda looks like clouds (not my screenshot)

[nimble ingot]

Sky is a game.

The look like messed up jellyfish

When a skykid is tired was candle running for a little bit too long lol

[hushed steeple]

It’s a mountain covered by clouds.

[hushed steeple]

The first one is inside peeking postman’s mask, the second one is inside Performance Guide’s mask.
This is probably just an oversight or something but I’m interested to see your thoughts on it!

Ummm, other parts of the community are somewhat aware of wooly manta…

#sky-fanart-sketches-and-art-chat message
THEYVE CONTRIBUTED LORE TO IT!!!!!!

[sharp lichen]

Also, in earlier concept art, it would’ve been much harder to traverse, with the realm’s Elder even joining in on the fun and trying to distract you

[hushed steeple]

As well as shadow people hallucinations!

[sharp lichen]

Yes

[hushed steeple]

Dang bobbit worms, been eating all the lore!/j

Ok but seriously, lore chat is absolutely dead today.

[nimble ingot]

It usually happens between seasons.

A good time to revisit old lore, introduce lore to new members.
Or simply discuss the lore in general.

[hushed steeple]

I’m out to buy more lore at the grocery store!

[hushed steeple]

Went shopping, came back successful.
I present to you specialized dark stone!

So we all know what dark stone is and it’s main function, to power things or make things fly(?) And we know it glows the color blue.

O_O

So, there is more to this than meets the eye. We all know shared memories glow purple. But there are more colors too, like yellow/orange, the greenish white one that displays instruments, the whole charade of colors on the turn table, and there were even multicolored diamonds at the AURORA concert in the signs showing you to each spirit!

So my theory is that the ancestors used colored lights(at least sometimes)to specialize dark stone to have it do specific things that maybe it couldn’t do or had a hard time doing without.
Obviously purple light=brain stuffs therefore shared memories!
But the yellow/orange seems to be used generically for everyday lights or can be seen as a way to mechanize things such as doors and transportation in specific ways. Maybe the green light is there because it creates trial instruments? I dunno, can’t even tell if it’s green, more like the sun tbh.
But you get the point.

Sometimes coloring dark stone seems to be more aesthetic though so tread at your own will.

[nimble ingot]

We may not have a complete picture on the power of darkstone.

Granted, you are on the right track with them providing/storing power in mechanisms (most of which we are not sure how they work exactly. Though this may be blamed on simplified game play style and limitations on how complex the environment could be in Sky).
You are correct they make objects float, as often seen with boats, buildings and platforms.

There is seemingly more to these mysterious blue rocks than what we have seen in the game.
As ancestors were shown using them to capture memories (for what purpose has yet been fully answered, and yet can be deduced all the same), they can seemingly grant the user magical abilities as seen with few ancestors and implied by the elders with concetp art lore as well as vague implications in the game.

The colours of the light (not the diamonds), do play another role. That is an interesting point to raise. As we have only seen blue, yellow, red and black ones.

[cobalt palm]

Going back to the associations the colored lights had with things, green light was a gift from the sky to the earth. Ancestors lived on the earth, as they couldn't fly, and most light creatures, infact all of those they had whisperers for were airborne. So the creatures of the air taught the ancestors of the earth their voices, so having green be associated with music and sound really makes sense to me.

In enchantment we didn't get a yellow light, but during lightseekers we did, I wonder if yellow is a sort of unrefined light, it is happy amongst all environments, where the other colored lights from enchantment gather at specific places. So I wonder if yellow being used generally in darkstone constructions is an indicator that it is powered. So yellow is the "fuel", and the colors are specific attributes that are given to it, purple for memory, green for sound, cyan for flight, red for darkness illusion or concealment, orange for crafting, blue for purification. Or something along those lines, as the colors themselves may also have layered meanings.

The biggest clue we have had so far to the red light symbol (the swirl) is in the performance theatre's stage, where it is used to form mist on the stage.

[hushed steeple]

The Lightseekers light makes me think more of a light bulb or a star, both of which use combinations of all colors of light to look the way they do. In Sky, TGC for some reason decided to replace yellow light with cyan. I have no idea as to why since yellow could have worked perfectly fine as air in my opinion but I guess it could be due to lore complications since a lot of people likely would not make the differentiation between the two.
Also, I wonder if a specific color of light combined with dark stone has the potential to do different things. Like you can have one produce a certain item and another increase the growth of plants.
Also, also, dark stone appears to have the ability to make make things levitate on its own. So cyan light may cause something else.

[viral pond]

sky child has trauma after eden and just remembers the realms over and over again

[viral pond]

this is a guess by the way

[sharp lichen]

It would be difficult to say, as we don’t get into a look in that sort of thing. But it is not impossible

[bitter ore]

Wait that’s my video 😂

[hidden vessel]

Yes I also posted it in #questions-and-help the other day to clarify someone else having same bug and credited you!

[bitter ore]

LOL I just wondering

[hidden vessel]

Yeah it was really good footage

[bitter ore]

I actually heard about this happening but kinda forgot about it when I was candle running

[slate saffron]

Both, actually!

[tender rock]

One question, why is there a replica of Of the Hidden Forest's Elder (Teth as some call), in Golden wasteland, is it even a replica or is it some sort of remembrance for her in that realm?? Or does tbe elder of GW had some relationship with the HF Elder?

[untold notch]

they have the same buildings because the two realms did similar things

[tender rock]

?
I don't seem to get what you mean

[frigid tinsel]

They’re both darkstone refineries. It’s possible Forest Elder, also sometimes known as Rain, utilized their temple space to create power diamonds and any other factory replicated it

[lusty merlin]

i don't like to use concept art as evidence but there was also one where there was a draw over a screenshot of their temple room to show how darkstone would be produced. so the one in wasteland could be another refinery with forest's just being modified to include their statue

[sharp lichen]

My theory on the two temples being similar is that they both were industrial areas that produced the same thing. The success of the Forest industrial area another one to be built farther away.

[pastel brook]

Who put all these candles everywhere?!?

[compact shale]

Hello lorechat

[inland crag]

Hi

[hushed steeple]

ME!!!
The plants love the smell!

[hushed steeple]

Heyllo!

Does Sky have an atmosphere or is it just a dome of different colors of jade?/j||(ade)||

[compact shale]

I mean....

[hushed steeple]

I was being silly.

[compact shale]

Wait, I just had a revelation about Passage

So you know how for the 4th quest, the other students snuck Troublemaker in?

And I saw last time it was brought up that peeps were wondering why the mask was a troublemaker

Maybe the original intention of that Passage, without Tumbling Troublemaker witnessing it themselves, was to make sure the other 3 learn that being a troublemaker is bad

To set an example for the rest

[earnest briar]

You're phrasing it like Troublemaker is like that on purpose. What I saw in their Spirit memory was that they were clumsy and kept accidentally causing trouble and getting in the way without meaning to. But people see them as doing it on purpose, hence the name Troublemaker.

The Passage Spirits are all social outcasts in one way or another, be it competitiveness, clumsiness, or just seemingly not caring enough to want to make friends in the eyes of others their age.

[compact shale]

Yeah

I've had this idea since the start but I don't think any of those names are their real names

It's mostly a conspiracy but I think the Passage Guide gave them those names to remind them of the flaw they have to work on during their time in the Passage

Presumably once they pass they'd be freed from the name

I think of the Passage Guide as a trickster mentor of sorts

[hushed steeple]

What do you think the Sky versions/knockoffs of popular/well known video games would be called?
Moffcraff?
Rospheer?
The Prophecy of Gellden?

[sharp lichen]

I would, for one, love to see a Sky AR game

[hushed steeple]

It could be like those msm games where you’re raising something like a mammott!/j

||bummm. buhbummm. bummm. bummm.||

Wah wah wah wah wah wah!

Sky x My Singing Monsters

[soft timber]

Sky x Welcome Home when? /jk

[hushed steeple]

Sky x FNAF

[soft timber]

Lol

[soft timber]

Ngl I did wonder what life among the mountains was like outside of the snowy side of things in Sky

[hushed steeple]

Nothing but Freddy FazBear pizzaplex as far as the eye can see!/j

[nimble ingot]

Temples & Krill

It is a game skykids play make believe by parodying champions of the ancient civilisation.
A warrior, a healer, a whisperer, a fighter, a lightseeker and so on.
They take balls of wax that have been facetted and marked with numbers.
They explore ruins and pretend to fight monsters, befriend characters and other adventures that can even go on as campaigns.

[hushed steeple]

T&K character concept:
A healer jar with a carved face that heals anyone it is thrown at, though people just think the person throwing it is an incredibly good healer.
Those who look inside the jar do not remember what they see!

[nimble ingot]

sounds ominous. I like it.

I imagine a hag like ancestor spirit making these face jars.
Just because they think is makes for a funny prank.

[soft timber]

Idk why but this is wholesome, just skids going on little campaigns and just doing thing together

[nimble ingot]

You should play the game some time, that was a fun and interesting idea.
(dungeons and dragons)

[soft timber]

>.>

[hushed steeple]

The jar thing was actually based off a character concept I made with a sibling a while back where it was a paladin with this medic box.

[hushed steeple]

The season guides playing T&K with the elders as Temple Rulers:

-Flight guide(elder bird born, healer, good):
Tries to befriend every creature they meet, often forgets to heal themself, tries to find a way to be eco conscious in their actions but still understands it’s just a game.

-Enchantment guide(pointy ear ancestor(elf), light channeler(mage), lawful neutral):
Sometimes breaks character, gets decent enough rolls, gets slightly annoyed when other people can’t decide what to do on their turn and take too long.

-Grandma(shorty(dwarf), healer warrior, lawful good):
Absolute pro at T&K(plays a lot), very helpful to newbies, could take on a temple alone but wants to include others, often protects others from attacks if they might die(prominently flight guide.)

[strong edge]

I have a small theory I haven’t done enough research into but I’m going to quickly talk about it. Each friendship constellation represents a real one and also represent them in some way, the second of the umbrella relating to the forest is called Cygnus I believe (the constellation it was based off of) and after doing some research into its meaning I found something interesting. It says something about “taking something that belonged to the king” which with the forest elder and aleph is possible! Though it’s just a tinyyyy bit far fetched it’s totally possible

[nimble ingot]

That would have been a very cheeky reference from TGC should they actually done that.

"taking something that belonged to the kin," you say?
That might be related to a roman myth about a prince stealing the sun god's chariot.

The constellations, cygnus. is at times also known as the swan.
That said, it would be interesting if this might suggest the nest in the boneyard is a swan's nest.
It is near a body of water, in a tree stump for safe keeping, and the supposed mother is either gone out to get food... or sadly killed and the nest lays abandoned.

Either case, swans in Sky would be very interesting in terms of lore, as well as in-game creature.

[primal carbon]

can someone explain me lore ? I just got that everyone died, that krills and crabs are supposed to protect something but they’re corrupted, and that the ghosts were important people who knew how to use light and stuff. Did I missed something ?

[hushed steeple]

Krill’s and crabs weren’t meant to protect something but they are corrupted. Krill’s especially having been light creatures and once looking completely different.

[primal carbon]

corrupted by what
it’s been a while since i played, too.

[nimble ingot]

The world has (or had) seven realms.
There used to be a king that ruled over them.
The elder watched over the realms, like guardians.
The ancestors lived in harmony, and the light creatures used to be able to complete their journeys (their pilgrimage) to orbit.
The cycle of light and life is hypothetically connected to the great deity, Megabird (or bird of Light) that is the culmination of all light and light.
the king hypothetically had some connection with megabird, who seemingly were responsible for life and death (light and darkness), the balance.

there was a calamity.
Eden was lost in a eternal storm of darkness.
The dragons were corrupted by it. The elder of Eden was allegedly lost. The crystal (eye of Eden), shattered.
The realm was sealed by the other elders (except for dawn).
And the stars fell, as did the kingdoms.
There was a war.
We don't know the true order of events.

Many years has passed and skykids have returned (awakened), and they are destined (called) to save the ancestor spirits trapped in the realms.
Ghosts that have unfinished business and need to pass on. Their light needs to be shepherded to Orbit. While the skykids also must save the fallen.
The fallen are a but mysterious, though there are theories that they could be skykids (the original ones that used to live with the ancestors), or children of the Light that were meant to save Eden. But sadly failed.

[nimble ingot]

The Darkness

A force of nature that used to coexist with the light. There used to be a balance.

With the Light weakened, darkness was able to spread across the realms.
corrupting and draining the light from any life.

[primal carbon]

Ok. And about skykids - how is there canonically a thousand of them on the same quest ?
plus how was i supposed to figure out all of this

[naive briar]

Theres alot of lore theories taken from early concept art

[untold notch]

the game doesn't make a lot of things clear, most of what we have here is theories

[nimble ingot]

In concept art, skykids are supposedly descendants. A hybrid of the ancestors and the Light.

As for how one is supposed to learn about the lore.

I would say the lore in a nutshell is as follows:
The lore is open to interpretation
The characters of Sky do not have canonical genders (see first point to why)
The lore is not obvious.

I presume that TGC wants the players to work together. So the amount (or type of) knowledge they gather about the lore would depend on how far they are willing to look, and with the friends they work with.
Most of the lore I learned came from this fantastical channel, as well as with some online research.

[sharp lichen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/632004389137154048/1116576640382804028/IMG_6755.png

Yeah, here are some constellation images

[strong edge]

That is indeed the myth, though I saw another relating to that as there was many adaptations, what he might have been stealing was also like a sacred space which I’ll have to look back in my notes about

[strong edge]

these are actually my images haha

[severe jackal]

when you look at the game from a really abstract perspective, each realm represents one part of life

isle of dawn - birth
you take your first steps, learn the basics and there isnt much to do

daylight prairie - childhood
you start to understand the world better, you dont know everything yet, but you learn more and more along the way, very few darkness plants make their first appearence-resembling sad/bad moment in your life

hidden forrest - teenage
your energy is drained constantly, but you have a lot of places to recharge, darkness plants are a little more prominent and crabs make their first appearance (also representing bad moments in your life trying to bring you down), in the end you can stop the rain and go on
throughout the realm you cant see eden but your wl are in danger if you're not careful or with friends

valley of triumph - your 20s
you can see eden again, but it doesnt matter, you are all about competition and testing all your abilities, apart from the end there is no darkness and everything seems really joyful

golden wasteland - late adulthood
everything drains you, there are very few places to recharge, dragons make their first appearance, everything seems slow and bleak, when you are not with a friend you wont have any fun during this level, you cant see eden but death lurks behind every corner

vault of knowledge - being elderly
solemnly you reflect on your life, there is a little darkness but not that much, you can recharge almost everywhere as you think about all the memories you made along the way, while going up the elevator, you are very balanced within yourself, you cant see eden but you are very close

eden - death
i dont think i have to explain much... everything tries to kill you, as you refuse to go gentle into that good night and rage against the dying of the light you try your best to give your light to the statues, give you happiness and love to your children, grandchildren and everyone else around you... eventually you die

[severe jackal]

but luckily you are reborn and all your good deeds are remebered and you are able to start life over again but with a head start

metaphors used:
light: happiness, joy, energy
darkness: sadness, anger, angst, bad influence/situations
plants, crabs, dragons: creatures of darkness

another thing i think is really beautiful is the fact your friends recharge you, just like your friends make you happier irl and give you strength and hope

you could also interpret sky like journey (another tgc game that is pretty simular to sky)

that you are longing to know what you will find in eden as you can see from the beginning, but as you reach eden you will find there is nothibg special and that waht really mattered all the time was the journey itself, the memories you gathered and the friends you made

but then you can also interpret journey the way i just interpreted sky

(btw the realms representing parts of life is kinda confirmed... there is a poster at the office with the diffrebt realms and the stage of life it supposedly represents)

[unborn abyss]

Ok so like, skids have silver hair right? Does that mean they already have Ultra Instinct but we're just keeping them in check so they're not OP?

[hushed steeple]

This is exactly correct!
These, along with time of day and development of civilization are what the realms are based off of!

[primal vale]

something I wanna point out, I was checking out the elder cutscenes and I have a theory:

isle elder: birth, the start of a new journey

daylight elder: growth, happiness, imagination, the stage of life where you begin to learn emotions etc

forest elder: moody, dark, alone, impatiently waiting for something to do/something to complete, perhaps the stage where your creativity decreases or you start to gain opinions, ideas, etc

valley elders: polar opposites, always arguing with one another, yet same ish personalities, im not sure about this one but maybe it has smthn to do w rivalry, or problems in a life? idk

wasteland elder: weakness, desire to fight for what they believe in, even if their condition is chronic, the stage of life where they start to develop more bad habits or traits from their age?

vault elder: kind, independent but fragile, maybe the stage of an elderly? growing old and waiting for someone

eden: death, dark, grim, maybe the final stage of life where you pass away

orbit: peace, light, awfully strange yet magical, heaven maybe?

rebirth: it’s pretty self explanatory, but I haven’t thought of it much yet

conclusion: maybe sky is a way of life? learning to grow and appreciate what went along on your life

the moral? :the friends you make aren’t exactly the treasure, but it’s the memories that you made with them, are? idk but I hope this is a lil helpful or smthn

[sharp lichen]

There are also different ways to interpret this. For example, each realm can also represent the stages of civilization.

Isle is ancient times, people learn the basics of survival and cooperation

Prairie is a bit more advanced, with more collaboration and planning going into the structures

Forest is medieval times, with more useful structures but also the negative consequences of extracting resources

Valley is late medieval/renaissance, where the arts are promoted and people have more time for leisure.

Wasteland is the industrial era, with more severe consequences to extracting resources and large mass produced structures.

Vault is the futuristic era, where normal problems are beyond care and everything is transcendent

Eden is the apocalypse, where civilization comes to its inevitable end

[sharp lichen]

You’re on the right path with most of the things you said, but this document can help you: https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

[sharp lichen]

Although that is up to interpretation, there are some clues we can get.

For one, the idea is that lorewise, a select few unspecified Skykids completed the quest. It’s not specific, all we know is that Skykids helped the spirits.

In gameplay, it’s very different, to make it more interesting. If Sky’s multiplayer gameplay was accurate to the lore, all the quests would have been resolved by the first players.

[sharp lichen]

I think Valley Elders has to do with twins and sibling rivalry. It’s a common thing for many people growing up with siblings, and in a stage of life where you feel the need to do your best, and it’s not rare for people to compete with others that are most similar to them

[sharp lichen]

Although some people say that gameplay and lore are incompatible, I really don’t think so.

Sure, there are some cases where it may be difficult to explain both the gameplay and the lore at the same time. But if you combine the two, you can get interesting theories

Sorry for my long text walls

[primal vale]

true! makes sense with the whole life thing haha

[compact shale]

What if

[mossy rune]

please tell me that the right chain goes on til eternity

[strong edge]

Okay I’ve been researching constellations for hours (- - ) but I found another that matches our friendship constellation very nicely~

I spent longer than I care to admit on this one, it seems we cannot decide what shape Gemini is supposed to be in

I think a nice detail here is that they needed two extra star places for this friendship one and they used those two stars beside it also seen in the top left image

[lusty merlin]

Oo that’s cool! I also think the image on the background is also an ancestor gravestone too! I’m reaching a little but I mention this because from this constellation looking like Gemini, the twins, it reminds me on how the game seems to show the Valley twins honoring death in a way. They’re the only ones who have gravestones lining their temple and with the race buildings which I find extremely cool as they’re the only ones who do that

[strong edge]

that’s so true! I have been having trouble actually knowing which constellation represents which realm, I’m just sure that Cassiopeia is meant to refer to Aleph and probably eden, Cygnus the umbrella should go with forest (it was also called the bird of the forest) and then I thought the it’s minor/Big Dipper (big manta and little manta) had to be prairie but then I wasn’t so sure but I think so-?

Anyways, I was thinking that this one was vault but I don’t think so especially if it’s Gemini “the twins”

[lusty merlin]

Yaya of corse! Praying Acolate does tend to gravestones by lighting then with candles in their memory so I can see how this one would be associated with vault

[strong edge]

it was mostly because I didn’t see it going with anything else but
Cassiopeia (Aleph)= eden
Cygnus (umbrella)= Forest
Crabs (constellation unknown) = wasteland
Ursa Minor/Big Dipper (manta) = prairie
Gravestone ?
Harp ?

Does this Cassiopeia even relate to eden or could it even mean isle from where he started

[hushed steeple]

Hi everyone

Eh? No one's around... I'll come back later

[nimble ingot]

Hello there.
Sorry for missing this message.

If you like to ask something, share a theory etc. Feel free to do so.

[hushed steeple]

I just want to ask what are these because I just discovered this a while ago.

[earnest briar]

a bug.

[nimble ingot]

That is the eden mountain.

In the olden days, the mountian was not always visible from most areas. Since the update, the hermit summit supposedly got 2.

As enzan says, it is a bug. As one of them should not be there.

[hushed steeple]

Thanks for the info! I hope these will get fixed.

[native galleon]

smh valley got 2 of everything

[covert hazel]

Okay theory about Eden. Eden is so dangerous because that's when some sort of dictatorship started. Thus that painting of a bunch of people praying to one person in the middle. That isn't an elder. That's a person that were worshipping under a tyrannical rule.

Regardless I think I might make this the backstory of my vampire OC... Thoughts?

[lusty merlin]

I mean they could’ve been worshipping the light the person was using or the diamond, I haven’t seen anything that would imply sky was under a dictatorship at all based on their living conditions. Feel free to use it for your oc story but yeah

[lusty merlin]

Plus I can’t really see tgc implying the elders or the figure being worshipped would be dictators/wanting to make us like and sympathize with one because sky is marketed to nearly all ages. Don’t think that’s a message they’d want to send based on how we help the elders. I mention the elders cuz they are definitely the leaders in sky so they would be included in this context. The ancestors seem to be living their lives normally and freely, and there’s barely any image of the elders outside of their temples when compared to actual dictators who would have their face plastered everywhere.
Yeah not all ancestors are doing well seen by the war, mining accidents, and darkstone production, there’s a ton of issues that sky addresses but my point still stands. Huge mistakes were made but i can’t see that going so for to be tyrannical

[sturdy oxide]

I would just like to note that grandma has winged light

[lusty merlin]

It’s a visual bug that appeared mid performance when trying to fix another a wl related bug for our capes

[sturdy oxide]

I politely choose to believe otherwise

[lusty merlin]

Feel free too, just letting you know it’s actual reason for it ingame

[earnest briar]

I know it's not canon but the idea of Granny making her cape look like ours because she likes us is cute so I will believe it is.

[soft timber]

I heard Gemini and came

[hushed steeple]

I have a feeling there may not have been many laws or however the ancestors might call them. Or at least not as many as we have, cause if everyone is basically similar(no biological differences like gender or what not)then there isn’t going to be a general minority to be against unless it’s a group with opposed beliefs maybe. Which would not create a need for protection of minorities. And many crimes we have laws for today either couldn’t exist for them due to technical development or likely had no reason to be committed in the first place.
I mean the only time we see an ancestor kill another ancestor is during the war which was likely during time of political corruption for the kingdom and without previous laws set in place things were complicated.
So general laws of morality like no undoing the creation of another, no stealing, etc were likely there and may have just been cultural rules before the kingdom was fully formed. But something more specific or created due to advancements such as laws to do with health care or protection over minorities likely didn’t exist. Not to say they were a horrible society, they simply never encountered a conflict that would require political action to take place. At least not up until the war.

||This will get deleted if I feel it gets too controversial. My intent is not to spark fights or quarrels but to provide interesting ideas and theories based on my own knowledge and assessments. It’s possible for me to be completely incorrect which is why I listen to reasonable criticism.||

||I have lost my train of thought several times during the writing of this.||

I should really expand my vocabulary, I kinda struggled to find ways to phrase thing. XwX

[brisk dagger]

So idk if this was obvious but I came to the conclusion that it’s called sky because we live in the sky, that would explain why are there so many clouds around all the kingdoms. And also if you pay attention when you die In Eden we go to the space (the meteors and stars) so now, us humans when we die we go to heaven, to the sky, so to those who live in the sky (SKYkids) where do they go when they die? TO THE SPACE. You can give me my Oscar and Grammy later thanks

[hushed steeple]

Yes, more specifically the game is called Sky because the kingdom is called the Kingdom of Sky.

[lusty merlin]

Yeah orbit shows it’s definitely the afterlife spirits and us go to, being one with the stars again

[sharp lichen]

I believe the glitch happened because spirits are modeled after Skykids, and its impossible to have a cape and 0 winged light for Skykids

[lusty merlin]

They had 0 wl before the initial bug so it was possible, guess it’s just spaghetti code

[strong edge]

hi there :)
yep this constellation is Gemini in one of its forms

[marble lynx]

same minds think alike

[strong edge]

Me every time I go to eden:

[covert hazel]

It's not far off considering we know that the people of Sky brought upon the darkness that led to the corruption. So, maybe the final straw was the dictatorship???

[covert hazel]

I mean. I understand that but we also are learning about what happened to the world. We are supposed to restore it because of what happened. Just because there is the possibility of a dictatorship doesn't mean the people were bad. There's even a memory where a child's mother is unjustly arrested right in front of him, leaving him alone. The government of sky wasn't the greatest and it's proven again and again that it was corrupt. Our job is the save the world and restore it to what it was MEANT to be before the corruption.

At least, that's what I'm gathering. It's revealed in the season of Aurora that there was a major war between the people of Sky that lead to the beginning of the Krill, and it's canon the krill are corrupted Sky creatures.

Eden is the one realm that doesn't have an "elder" perse. Maybe because that elder was what led to the final end the kingdom of sky, because that spirit lost it's way.

Again, this is assumptions based on memories in the game, and connections the game has to the real world as it reflects our irl corruption to our own planet. Not to mention the similarities to the Atlanteans which had a similar thing happen to their people and lead to the ending of them. And that myth is a metaphor for the hubris of man and it's journey towards advancement.

I'm now rambling but I hope something make sense in there.

@marble lynx 👀👀👀👀👀👀 thoughts

[keen shore]

What if they weren’t praying to the person, but for the diamond mechanism to work?

[marble lynx]

My hc is King is always a dictator even before the Eden diamond was created

[covert hazel]

Yes yes yes. This. Also the spirits of the people could've decided the best thing for the people was to restart it perse?? That's why the mechanism didn't work in the way they hoped??

Similarly to why Aang in Avatar was in the ice for so long because the spirits felt that was the best path for the people to be saved instead of him staying alive in that time?? Do you get what I mean?? It seems devastating but that's the best thing that could've happened??

[marble lynx]

I have never watched Avatar the last bender, it's my wishlist

[covert hazel]

Ohhhh okay

[sonic wave]

Adding on to your corrupted krill, has anyone else noticed that whenever you burn a darkness plant the light butterflies come out of it?

[covert hazel]

WAIT. I DIDN'T NOTICE THAT BUT THEY SO DO.

[sonic wave]

Hehehe yeah

Perhaps the darkness plants work like carnivorous plants that trap the butterflies and consume their light?

[untold notch]

I don't believe that's true of all dark plants

[sharp lichen]

Most of the big non-tree darkness plants have butterflies in them, some don’t

[sharp lichen]

Tagging @covert hazel in this conversation as well

It is an interesting thought experiment, the use of the Elders (including the Eden Elder) in Sky. Democracy is objectively the best form of government, yet we see none of it in the old society of ancestor spirits.

Monarchy in fantasy is a controversial subject, to be sure. Most European monarchies used the “divine right of kings” to justify their authoritarian regimes, but it gets more confusing in Sky, since the Elders actually have divine powers that give them a genuine claim to leadership.

However, the theory that the Elders are “benevolent dictators” is difficult to claim. It’s unlikely they got along well together, Wasteland seemed ignored by the other realms, and the Valley Elders did not seem to care for others besides the rich that much.

[covert hazel]

Yes. This. THISSSS.

[hushed steeple]

You think plants could grown on an ancestor, elder, or sky kid?

[marble lynx]

grow on living people when they are too depressed

[hushed steeple]

By the way, normal plants not dark plants.
Like some moss or lichen or maybe something more like grass or flowers(though I’m not sure if roots can grow into the exterior.)

[keen shore]

Going to quickly mention that the stress of rising disasters, pollution, and many other things is a very important thing to consider that may have forced the elders and realms apart (like not being able to help each other/ wasteland and isle especially due to having limited resources) instead of them all being at each other’s throats from the get go.

there is evidence to suggest they got along and often interacted before then and it is important to not consider their relationships in a vacuum entirely removed from the contexts influencing them.

[hushed steeple]

Rising tides would definitely cause complications when it’s only affecting two realms horribly.
Well, they’re not great in general.

[keen shore]

Yeah! In Forest especially the broken off trees (which look like the remnants of a forest fire) and the consistently unstable ground (we haven’t had a single spirit memory about mining without it) as well as the view of the flooded forest caves in the concert imply a forest fire and flood happened there at some point, for example. It would be hard for them to reach out to other realms when that’s going on.

The word commonly used to refer to the kingdom’s downfall is ‘shattering’ which implies it was one cohesive unit to begin with and then broke into pieces even before the diamond exploded which would fit the general idea of outside, disastrous factors isolating the realms and elders from each other or pitting them against each other

[untold notch]

isle's desertification as well being one of these

[hushed steeple]

I hc that at some point vault elder just stopped leaving the vault of knowledge.

[keen shore]

It seems the years leading up to the ultimate Eden explosion weren’t just punctuated by the war, but many other disasters as well. Like the Forest flood and fire isn’t the only one by far. Isle was turning into a desert and sea levels there were rising, displacing many ancestors from their homes, Valley and Wasteland were probably embroiled in the war, Vault is implied to have taken in refugees from said war and then shut themselves away from the outside world. and so on. Prairie is the only roughly normal one, all of these listed would be problems that would take up the elders entire lives and it would be hard for them to focus on anything else, much less problems in other realms

[untold notch]

and wasteland also wasn't always a wasteland

[hushed steeple]

Maybe prairie was busy trying to preserve animals? Or maybe they just were oblivious to it(giving a nod to childhood)or didn’t want to interact likely out of fear(another nod to childhood)so they just ignored all of it and went off to do their own thing.

[keen shore]

Also to add on to this calling the elders ‘benevolent dictators’ or even ‘dictators’ of their realms at all is really iffy since we don’t know the exact roles each of them took in relation to their ancestors. Many of them seem more like teachers or guides

[untold notch]

wasteland elder is my friend and we get tacos together

[keen shore]

I would assume the second one (didn’t want to get involved out of fear) or they were helping, we just don’t know it yet. It could also be a situation where they couldn’t figure out how to intervene without putting themselves in extreme danger

[earnest briar]

Knowing how lorechat loves to make Tsadi their punching bag of unfortunate events I think they would end up getting food poisoning.

[keen shore]

Honestly… with their luck probably yes

A meteor hits the taco stand

[untold notch]

oh cool another skykid friend :]

[cloud crescent]

Wait there is a eden elder?

[nova meadow]

There’s a spiky looking mask all over wasteland’s towers that people suspect belongs to the eden elder. also there’s murals including some kind of king in eden. The eden elder is the base of a lot of sky theories on what caused the shattering (that time where a big shard exploded and things went very bad)
I recommend searching for people’s lore theories, it’s very fascinating!

[cloud crescent]

Understandable

[earnest briar]

I'm actually more of the opinion that the King realized their attempts to help by creating the Eden Diamond actually ended up causing problems, and spearheaded the effort to prevent the Shattering, but were ultimately too late to stop it. I think it's more interesting to view them as a tragic character who attempted to help their people, but ended up being the metaphorical (and possibly literal, considering it looks like the King symbol in the Diamond memory is falling down onto the Diamond) final nail in the coffin that destroyed Eden and led to the downfall of the kingdom as a whole, than a cartoonish supervillain who did evil things for the lols.

[sharp lichen]

Yeah I agree, it’s debatable the political system of the Ancestors

[uncut pond]

dusk elder's luck according to lorechat

[tranquil shadow]

random but imagine if matpat did a theory on sky

but hey that’s just a theory a game theory..

[untold notch]

I hope he doesn't, he has a history of butchering lore

[uncut pond]

matpat would probably come up with some "sky is a post-nuclear-apocalypse earth from the future" type theory

[tranquil shadow]

prolly smthing like it’s purgatory or heaven that was corrupted💀💀

[uncut pond]

sky is the place where your soul goes when they forget to write "rest in peace" in your tombstone

[sharp lichen]

It would be simultaneously funny and stupid

[hushed steeple]

Mat pat would simultaneously completely disregard the concept art and then turn around and be like “there isn’t enough lore to prove much.”/j

[hushed steeple]

Thinking back, that’s not an accurate statement…
BUT WOULD MAT PAT THINK SO!!!
/J

[sharp lichen]

Now on to actual inchresting topics

@keen shore Your theory is good, but I think most of Forest’s events happened early on. We see the Forest Elder creating rain in the Prophecy mural, presumably to stop a forest fire, and the rest of the Forest spirits have to adapt to the rain using umbrellas and covers and such.

I just think that Elders, despite being good leaders, weren’t perfect

[keen shore]

I didn’t say they weren’t perfect! :3 Just that they didn’t actively dislike each other at the beginning. Whether that changed is up to interpretation.

Although I will also say that about forest’s events happening more early on, neither of the evidences you listed proved that’s true. The prophecy is just that — a prophecy, and using umbrellas and covers is easy enough to learn that it probably wouldn’t have taken long, especially if Forest already experienced a good amount of rainfall prior to the flooding (makes sense, considering the size of the trees)

[sharp lichen]

I suppose we’ll learn a lot more about timeline stuff from the animation project, but from the very few images that exist we see a mostly lush and rainless forest

[untold notch]

is now a good time to bring up the possibility that passage happened before the shattering because of the similarities to the animation trailer

[sharp lichen]

And the fact that the Eden castle isn’t there

(And didn’t most seasons?)

[untold notch]

I think other seasons are just less clear passage is. very obvious about it

[hushed steeple]

I’m pretty sure that lore wise forest isn’t always rainy in modern sky.

[somber moss]

Idk if this has anything to do with lore, but I noticed something about a majority of the hairstyles ingame
Yknow how the regular moth hair has that little blue band holding it? Almost every hair that is held up uses the same color of band, including the forest elder hair! I wonder why

[nova meadow]

I believe the King was not evil for the lols, but was still pretty evil in the way that he didn’t have his priorities straight. His focus was to advance technology and help the spirits reach the stars (to start a rebirth cycle, instead of dying like humans do). I am really too exhausted to flesh out this theory right now but come back to me later I’ll write up a text wall

[lapis forge]

who lights up these candols

[hushed steeple]

Other people that passed there before you

There is a game mechanic called "server merge" that moves you to a different server in the same area if there are less them 3 people in said area

So if people already burned those candes in the server you were moved, you will see them as already lit

[hushed steeple]

The thing is evil is too general a word, and people are gonna have different opinions on it😅

The king was at no point just evil for the lols, that much is not up for debate .From the very start he had good intentions and wanted whats best for his kingdom and its people, bringing in an unimaginable era of wealth and prosperity for the ancestors.

However....wanting to do good and having the best intentions doesn't mean horrible things won't come from your decisions, nor does it exclude the possibility that pride, greed and ignorance are not affecting all your choices, which is what happened in the end.

I'm sure that from the top of his castle on the mountain looking down, he thought all his decisions were for the best, and worked tirelessly to fix the problems that had popped up. But he had lost touch with reality, the needs of nature and what's truly important, and that leads him to make all those bad decisions.

.
Maintaining the prosperity of the kingdom is good
-Doing whatever it takes to maintain that prosperity is good
-Protecting my subjects from hostile creatures is good
-Preventing the kingdom from tearing itself apart is good
-Using force and strict rules to prevent chaos and anarchy in the kingdom is good…….

I'm sure he must have though such things, and thousands of ancestors must have believed this as well, otherwise he would never be able to bring about all that he did.
The Elders probably believed similar ( and probably less extreme) things at the start, but over time grew disillusioned as they become more aware of the consequences, starting with Isle elder, them some time later Vault elder, and so on….

In the end, the king was indeed a tragic figure who believed all he was going was for the good of his people.

However, weather he stayed committed to his beliefs to the end, or weather he realized his mistakes and tried everything he can to fix them, only to be meat with tragic fail at the end…….
It doesnt change the fact that he had been consumed by his greed and pride, and one decision at a time leed his entire race into oblivian

After all, you know what they say
The road to ( H E dubble hokkey sticks) is paived with good intentions

[viral bay]

But wasn't the megabird/the Light the source of all life? Ancestors must then be connected to it, so they can also be reincarnated right?

Maybe not able conserving memories like skykids but they used to be living things too, so...

Or are elders supposed to be the bridge between the Light and the Ancestors, and that's why they worship them?

[hushed steeple]

Well, techicly they could, but I think its inplied that they didnt. They were kinda ageless, a bridge between light and ancesters as you put it, who were chosen to guide and lead the ancesters , and so were given this privilage

[viral bay]

Yeah evil is quite a flat word. If we're talking about the Pure Evil character type, I don't think he was ever a selfish character that only works for his benefits.

With him being crowned by his people as king, i would assume he was more of an Antivillain, a person who does bad things for a noble cause, or, for a selfless cause that he himself believes in.

And yeah, a lot of times people would stand with him because of the selflessness in his decisions, like boosting the economy and society, for the sake of the ancestors as a whole.
But selflessness to his kind can signify selfishness to other kinds, other species. And that is the pollution caused by the exploitation, and so that can be used as an argument for the people to stand up against him too.

[hushed steeple]

Preaty much
I got to imaginen that the same pride and delusion that took him were independaly afecting many other ancesters in positions of wealth an power.
The enviromant has a strong affect on your personal beleafs and atitude after all.

[viral bay]

Yeah perhaps that's why the isle elder isn't carved in the Eden gate

They were the elder who connected to light creatures the most, i think

[hushed steeple]

Yup, and the most in touch with the old ways ( Isle was the place the anceaer race begine), and his realm was the most distant and unconected from the capital, so the policies of the king and the prosperety that realsm like Valley and Waistland enjoyed had the smallest affect on Isle of Doen

[nova meadow]

I assume it could be a lot like religious systems, but a lot more connected and believed in? (But I don’t know much about those so take it with a grain of salt) Ancestors could’ve forced the reincarnation with technology, perhaps to the dislike of the elders because it went against their moral beliefs (why you see them opposing the shard). My mind is super scattered rn but yeah like I said before I’ll elaborate with something logical later 😭

[viral bay]

Yeah perhaps it's a lot deeper than just Protecting the environment vs Advancement of society too

Those rebelling could fight for the spiritual aspect of the light, to connect to the Light the old traditional way. With the elders more and more disconnected from the light, they were disconnecting Ancestors from their god, blocking them from their religion.

It's like religion vs technology.

The tension sure is high between ♦️ and ☀️

[nova meadow]

I think the religion and technology would’ve been on the same side actually! The technology side would’ve wanted to explore how megabird and the rebirth cycle works. Perhaps that is why eden has become so closely linked to orbit perhaps the shard explosion was intentional in the way that it would create a gateway to orbit. But also, it spiralled out of the controlled environment and caused huge damage

[hushed steeple]

Im preaty shure from all the concept artnwe got that reincarnation was always a thing in sky

It was them living forever that was the goal of the prince

[nova meadow]

Oh, to retain their memories and experiences?

[viral bay]

I agree on the attempt of eden being the gateway to orbit, "reaching for the stars", but i find it hard to believe that those worshipping the light would want to idk, disrespect their nature created by the Light to forcefully get reincarnation?

With religion i associate traditions, to stay in touch with the past, to be what was intended by their god, etc.

[viral bay]

Yeah light creatures are able to go to orbit/the Holy site to be reborn, but not Ancestors

[nova meadow]

Maybe religion was a bad comparison, as it does rely heavily on tradition. I think they worshipped the light, but their fear of losing their lives was stronger than that.
Also, to answer the second message: that’s what I figured- ancestors wanted to be reborn, not to stay in orbit. They wanted to find a way through that gate and back to their world

[hushed steeple]

Well, I guess culture or new status quo would be better word for it

[strong edge]

my last message was deleted, which is okay I used the wrong combination of words I realize (- - ) srrysrry
anyways unrelated~
I am only just realizing the lore in wasteland. I assumed for years that the GW was pro darkstone crystals but I’m just realizing that they can’t be-
For one, forest, valley and vault are all very likely to be pro darkstone and that leaves it a bit uneven if GW was pro.
Two… no one told me about this shield lore! He’s holding the Sun shield!
Anyways, why are all of the statues shaped like the king? Curious to hear all of your stories and thoughts

[amber phoenix]

eden elder fartted in golden wasteland and thats why its green and smells. this is canon

[viral bay]

The byproduct of eating too much light

[nova meadow]

I always thought golden wasteland was a heavily divided realm. It was used as a testing ground (manta mural experiments in abyss), and as a land in between what seemed to be warring nations and/or a place of heavy conflict. Because of this, locals likely would be been against the political beliefs and intentions of people such as the eden elder due to their lack of care for the condition of the realm environmentally, and the safety of it too. The GW elder was definitely an in between- he obviously cared for his people, however due to his position as some kind of war general, he was restricted to how he could lead by the eden elder.

[viral bay]

Here's a question: What the hell was the gw elder doing before the discovery of darkstone? Before the tension rose and the walls were built?

Perhaps unemployed

[mental shard]

that is a view from the center turret in battlefield gw

and this the top view from high up the center.

my bf theory was the gw was supposed to be an entire fortress to protect the vault which may have caused the war between 2 sides

[viral bay]

Yup it is

[nova meadow]

Either leading the realm like any elder would. He stepped up for a military position when conflicts arose. Or unemployed if GW was under eden elder’s reign

[hushed steeple]

Waistland was super pro crystal for a preaty good chunk of its history, since it had crystal factory's everywhere.
It is also the realm that was located between voult and more inportantly the capital of the sky kingdom ( what is now edan and the big castle), and the rest of the realsm, so when the war started, it become a major stratigic location, as who ever had total control of the entire legion, could eather easaly move up the mountain to de throne the king and bring an end to the regime, or use the factories and teade networks to crush the rebelions in the rest of the kingdoms

An inportant thing to note about the war is that it wasnt about kimgdoms fighting each other ( like example Forest, Valley, Voult vs Waistland, priery, isle). There were no such devisions.
It started at first as a war between light creatures and the sky kingdom (which lead to the deaths of almost all the giant creatures in sky, like we see in the boneyard), which later leed to many ancesters rebeling against the regime that, and the conflict draging out for a long time until the explosion of the edan diamond made the whole thing mute

This was not a conflict between kingdoms or nationalitues, but one of idiolagy. The ones that suported the status quo and the ones the wanted to put an end go it, so I have to imagine there would have been a lot of switching sides or choosing neutrality through the long, complicated history of the war

[frigid turret]

Idk if this type of question can be asked here or in the questions channel, I’m sorry of this not the good place

I saw it on the sky fandom wiki, someone knows where this bird statue can be found ? I never found it
Or maybe doesn’t exist anymore, like the home shrines on realms ?

[nova meadow]

As of a recent update, this statue has been removed. I’m sure there’s screenshots out there, I will try find one for you. But it’s not very important, it’s a small statue that had a return shrine before the option to go home from the emote menu became a thing.
Edit: cannot find photos, but it wasn’t very exciting looking

[frigid turret]

Don’t worry and thank you !

[torpid fjord]

I remember somewhere that the darkstones need an excessive amount of light to work- the sky kids are able to make it work with one candle atleast to work longer (from the boat trains to gates) but then using 1 light for the whole kingdom won't really work

[inland crag]

Hi

[hushed steeple]

Bonjour!

[compact shale]

Is there any season in Sky where the spirit lineup is "Oops, all neurodivergent!"

If not what's the closest

[native galleon]

passage lol

[hushed steeple]

Also, flight has tinkering chimesmith.

[viral bay]

Golden wasteland was downtown Valley before though, so technically wouldn't it be under the twin's leading?

Also, my question was more: What did each elder do before the discovery of darkstone, considering how each elder has a distinct function for the realm in the later era?

[compact shale]

Including the Guide?

[native galleon]

maybe idk

[viral bay]

The Guide gotta be clear minded tho, they are teaching and forming the ancestor kids after all

[hushed steeple]

[insert non-existent Sky shrug emoji]

[nova meadow]

It could be compared to the real world before the industrial revolution. Less big groupings of civilisation, less connection, etc. Elders probably wouldn't have been chosen yet, or they remained as rulers of areas/villages. Or maybe the elders played a bigger role in the industrial revolution of sky than we think

[viral bay]

Because Isle elder seems to have refused to participate in the revolution, their function has always been guiding light creatures to Eden/Orbit/the holy site

[nova meadow]

I got my own little theory on the old man in isle if you would like I can link you to the message I wrote about him

[native galleon]

my hc is that they both occupied and led in the same sort of region, they still had their own realms and all but it wasn’t clear exactly where the line was bc they were so close

also their roles and personalities seem to be different enough that they would complement each other….until they didn’t

[viral bay]

But i think they unintentionally and ironically still helped it becom true, leading the creatures of light, aka butterflies and mantas, to the death zone

[hushed steeple]

Not entirely. While they may have been against the horrible practices they do still have some dark stone of which being seen on the boogie kid door, the temple door, and even in boats in the pointing candlemaker’s memory.
And we don’t even get to see the whole of isle as a huge majority is underwater due to rising tides.

[nova meadow]

#general-sky-discussion message Nobody asked but yeah scroll down a little in the message history for more on how the isle elder, the eden elder, the little Prince and his rose are linked

[native galleon]

may or may not have a whole project in the works about this

[viral bay]

Gosh the whole timeline is just so weird

We could ask ourselves what the whole kingdom, especially vault, gw and valley looked like before darkstones and we would still have no clue abt it

[hushed steeple]

Sah: Wow, your temple is so nice.

Wasteland: Thank you so much, your temple is also-

Mekh: (farther away) WHAT IS THIS STUPID WATER FEATURE ITS SMELLY!!!

Wasteland: …

Sah: I mean, they have a point. Also, that braid just ain’t flattering.

Wasteland: Well I think your architecture is boring and uninspiring!

Sah:

Makh: (Still far away) THATS IT IM STARTING A WAR!!!!!!!

The stars fell and the light was lost
*If only they listened…*😔

[viral bay]

Or does starlight desert exists at all lol

[compact shale]

HC is that it's all just a big projection from the lantern

Though apparently it's important enough to have its own wind path so idk

[hushed steeple]

I think it does, but is plagued with purple light which caused the tlp spirits to become “trapped in their vices” as the devs say, and this is manifested physically in the strange structures.

The flowers there may also be affected with purple light.

And it’s possible the starlight desert was an important place in the past.

[native galleon]

Plagued?? With purple light? wdym

[sharp lichen]

Probably a more peaceful job, or perhaps still doing the security stuff

[sharp lichen]

I don’t think the entirety of GW was, since the realm is so big, but the Wasteland Elder temple certainly looks like it. Look at the massive gates and huge walls in that temple, which is very different from the others that just invite you in

[sharp lichen]

It’s so clearly Assembly

(And here me out on this one, Abyss as well)

[native galleon]

I think their role was defense related, especially with gw being located near the sacred sites of vault and eden!! I like the idea of them being a general or sth as well hehe

But of course the realm itself had much more than just that, industry and agriculture and so on

[hushed steeple]

Ok, so purple light is found in vault, and vault is normally blue. But the starlight desert is purple. And so are the flowers. Plus, the structures there don’t make any sense, even for Sky logic. There is no dark stone! And why would someone make a giant jar and lamp.

But remember back to enchantment how the purple light was used to create the tents out of sleeping shipwrite’s imagination. That could have happened here but the purple light wasn’t controlled properly or something and manifested the spirits’ vices physically.

[native galleon]

oh i see! the physical manifestation thing makes sense

the lamp does have a big darkstone bulb in the middle tho

[compact shale]

(looks at my character notes for Assembly)
Yeah that checks out

[hushed steeple]

Right! Forgot about that. Though it’s only purpose is to act as a light.

[native galleon]

the darkstone lightbulbs are so (morbidly??) funny to me bc like. lanterns literally exist everywhere wouldn’t they be way more efficient?
the little prince was right grown ups are weird

[compact shale]

If the little prince spirits are just fabrications created for the illusion that is starlight desert they're probably use to satirize the elders

Some repressed vault scholars had a lot to say about the current state of the kingdom

[hushed steeple]

Ancestor: I know we already have an effective way to light up our homes and all but like, what if we used this mathematic figure of geometry to make things look cooler!

Forest:…

hours later

Prairie: what’s that?

Forest: Algebrgebray geonomadicy thingy, I dunno. I’m gonna use it as a light source.

Prairie: Why do you want to use this, thing, for light when we’ve already got something effective that is arguably far more environmentally friendly then this strange material?

Forest:
…

…
I just think it’s neat!

Most of the other Elders: ORDERORDERBUYBUYBUYORDERSHIPORDERBUYBUYORDERORDERSHIP…

[compact shale]

"We should use tiny Ramiel figures to light up our kingdom!"

[hushed steeple]

The Light: The angels did not in fact bestow blessings upon them,
Thus the stars fell
And everyone was petrified…
LITERALLY!

I like to compare The Light to being like a dad. Despite being in constant pain and unable to do certain things as well as they used to due to countless years of physical trauma/injuries and probably neglecting to take care of their body as well as they should have, they do their best to be as great a parent for their kids as they can, and for this reason is the best fatherly-esque figure these skids could ever want!

[native galleon]

Vault scholars posting op-eds like somebody needs to do something about the environmental crisis!!!1

[compact shale]

"Starlight Desert? Nah, that's our Satire Theater!"
"Why is it so big?"
"We have way too many ideas"

what project

[native galleon]

just a lil project im doin

[keen shore]

For some of them [Vault, Isle, Prairie]: probably the same as they had been doing, just without darkstone.

The army in Wasteland seems to be a fairly recent thing, comparatively. Before the probable invasion from Valley and fighting off the krill possibly before that, it wouldn’t have had a purpose. Wasteland is near the sea and has many islands off its shore; fishing was likely a large industry there, and although we don’t know its original climate for sure it could have been farmed extensively as well. The loose headcanon timeline I personally go with is farming/fishing realm -> realm where light creatures were taken to be harvested in refineries -> the war.

As for Valley and Forest, I like to headcanon that elders kinda fell/came into existence like skykids when it would be the start of a new age for ancestors. Forest fell to start their Industrial Age and the twins came sometime after that. so there wouldn’t have been a pre darkstone for them. However, this is headcanon. We don’t know for sure.

Eden we DO know for sure didn’t exist before darkstone as one of the prophecy murals of them rising to power shows darkstone boats already existing

Which is a really neat fun fact to me because it shows a very clear and explicit change from concept art where they discovered darkstone
(I like to imagine Forest discovered darkstone now)

For example of what I’m talking about here they are going to the cave, note the very obvious floating boat which is something that can only be achieved using darkstone

[lusty merlin]

Oo yeah!! For runaways quest I always wondered about the boats but your right. So darkstone was around then for a super long time

Maybe it wasn’t until one showed up that a breakthrough for darkstone use came through? That or something else

[native galleon]

that makes sense yeah!! i mean in memories and stuff it looks like you almost couldn’t touch the ground in forest without tripping over some crystals

and then there’s the obvious gold rush that followed

[lusty merlin]

Think they’re only shown to be underground though and not on the surface, unless I’m misremembering the 2nd passage quest

[native galleon]

Nah i was exaggerating i just mean it was super common!!

[lusty merlin]

Ah okay but yeah In mindful miners quest it was like everywhere

[native galleon]

then again, what counts as underground? does tearful light miner cave count? or the sort of cliff faces that you see around forest? idk the answer and it doesn’t really matter at the end of the day, jus thinking out loud

[keen shore]

Tearful light miner mentioned, fixation beam activate

[native galleon]

Me when someone brings up golden valley

[compact shale]

Me when Assembly

[untold notch]

me when Light magic

[keen shore]

This is pure speculation but I really like the theory that contrasts Storm trying to avert the disaster with how skykids clean up after it, especially when it came to the community theh could access. like they failed because they didn’t have a community, vs is succeeding bc we do.
it would fit the way the game already tells stories about community a lot and I am a sucker for narrative parallels.

of course, if they were also trying to save the world, that implies darkness was already a Problem, and that darkstone industrialization was well past its peak and people were already beginning to notice problems.

[lusty merlin]

O I HAD SIMILAR THOUGHTS FOR THAT BEFORE

like doing all they’re can to help everyone but saving a kingdom is not something you can do alone in this story. Your not the shining light of the hero or and person who can face off the most dangerous beat’s, your just a kid

[native galleon]

^^^ but if all your life you’ve been told that you are the chosen one, and treated like a savior and a king, you feel like you have to

[keen shore]

YEAH
theoretically they would have had the other elders but unfortunately (gestures at the war) their relationship was falling apart during that time too

[native galleon]

i’ve said it before and i’ll say it again: strange parkour contests for kids are no basis for a system of government /j

[keen shore]

and now they’re dead :(

[keen shore]

I ALSO HAVE SOMETHING IMPORTANT TO SAY. the most unrealistic part of Sky is the fact that the presumably shortest trial contestant won them before anyone else

[native galleon]

god you’re right lmao
maybe it had to do with the strength of their light or something?? Who knows tbh

[keen shore]

I also do think the concept of skykids only existing /coming in order to save others is really interesting to think about bc this theory implies that if you think about it enough

[earnest briar]

They won by wearing a pair of those really tall platform boots. Like these.

[hushed steeple]

The Prince be like
“You’re only 6,10 in heels? Well I’m 9,7 while wearing my specialized army boots!”

[compact shale]

With hidden crampons

Yknow, for the trial of air

[native galleon]

That’s cheating

[hushed steeple]

They snatched these too.

For earth trial!

I just looked up climbing gear for feet, I legitimately have no knowledge about these!

[earnest briar]

You have no idea how funny it is to me that the Prince completed all the Trials through sneaking stuff in. Maybe that's why we're not allowed to use our cape, props, or spells in them, the Prophets found out and made a rule preventing it.

[compact shale]

"Why did we base our entire future on a test that's so easy to cheat?"
"Idunno funny voice in the sky told us to do this"

(unbeknownst to them, teamwork can make the cheat work!)

[pallid dust]

Actually it's sad. 8 spirits gave their lives to try to pass the test. And then shorty in heels came and tricked 'em through

[hushed steeple]

Don’t even get me started on how they snuck an entire helicopter strapped with harpoons with lanterns on them into the fire trial!!!

TACTICAL LIGHT!!!

[pallid dust]

What if it was a flamethrower?

[hushed steeple]

That was for water trial.
Nothing says cheating is fun like evaporating an entire ocean with a super charged flame thrower!!!

[untold notch]

considering how cold the water is you'd need a wholly unrealistic amount of energy to evaporate the entire ocean

[pallid dust]

Interestingly, if you feed the flamethrower with winged light? It clearly gives a lot of energy

[hushed steeple]

It’s possible when you have a literal deity on your side!!!

Don’t question whether or not the flame throwers were sentient and living…

[pallid dust]

yeah

[viral bay]

What tangent has this discussion about Elder's unemployment gotten to

I wanna save this convo in a vid of How the Prince cheated - EXPOSED XD

[keen shore]

Imagine the others students’ reaction when this random weird kid falls from the sky and only a bit later blitzes the challenges they’ve been training for for probably months

[pallid dust]

they would obviously be furious

[viral bay]

I meannnn it's the naturally talented hero dropped from the sky trope, not smthing never done before

[native galleon]

wouldnt that also melt the ice?

[hushed steeple]

True, but then the water would evaporate into clouds.

[soft timber]

Heard winged light powered flamethrower and came

[hushed steeple]

I think lore chat mishandled it and got caught by bobbit worms while rushing off to safety.

[gleaming pendant]

Do journey flower and Sky are in the same univers ?

[sharp lichen]

THE PROJECT ™️

[sharp lichen]

Me when Shattering

[sharp lichen]

A literal Short King

[sharp lichen]

The King asked Hide and Seek pioneer for a cool mask and then did this:

https://m.bilibili.com/video/BV1qV4y1z7GP?buvid=XX297692FB6843D6C921762481F70F210B9CA

[sharp lichen]

That’s literally what a Skykid is

[soft timber]

Lol Birb mom wanted to create something and this is what we are

[hushed steeple]

Don’t you hate it when you fear an eldritch horror you don’t even know exists….

[untold notch]

how can you fear something you don't know exists

[sharp lichen]

“Unknowable horror” fans when i give them a handy dandy wiki page (the point of the horror is gone)

[primal sierra]

You can fear a spider without knowing where it exists in your immediate space

[untold notch]

but you know it does exist, which isn't my point

[hushed steeple]

The anxiety comes when you’re unsure if there really is a threat or if you’re just insane…

I just realized I had my sleep status on all day!

[frigid tinsel]

Yall be afraid of unknowable horrors and relieved that they don’t exist, I get sad when I cannot befriend unknowable horrors because they don’t exist

[hushed steeple]

Same.

I’d talk about The Community, but it’s not Sky related so…
Yeah.

[hushed steeple]

By the way, The Community isn’t me referring to a group of people.
Well, not in the normal sense at least…

[pastel brook]

What realm is your Skykid from?

[hushed steeple]

Plant garden!

[drowsy flare]

Prairie birds nest xD

[untold notch]

orbit

[pastel brook]

🎵 Prairie roads, take me home... To the place I belooong... Golden Wasteland... Forest mama... 🎵

[static zephyr]

Oy vey I haven’t been on here for a while what did I miss?

anyway, theory time

I just recently went to the concert and something I noticed during the seed is the during the Civil War part where we can actually got to see the battlefield not only were they fighting each other, but they were also what looks to be attempting to attack the creatures of light
(judging by the light creatures, body surrounding the area, probably very likely)

but that brings up the question why are the attacking the creatures of light?

[lusty merlin]

They could’ve been used to ride into battle, it’s not uncommon in war to target the mounts an enemy soldier is on to limit mobility

In medieval times that is

[static zephyr]

Good idea since it also seems like they are in the maybe not exactly middle is but may be a bit after it where technology maybe industrial revolution of some sort one by the time this happened
judging by it just seems like they are still trying to figure out how diamond technology works cough, cough Eden, cough cough

[hushed steeple]

Well, possibly
Though you need to remember that the war started as a war between light creatures and the sky kingdom ( thats why you got soooooooo many sceletons in boneyard), and later on you got other ancesters rebeling against the regime

After all in real battle, the soldures wouldent focuse all there atacks on the riderless mounts like we see in the aurora memory

[pastel brook]

dancing around a shooting star, and every beancell remembers what have taken us this far

[cunning bane]

Wow

[hushed steeple]

Lasagna!(the g is pronounced)

[bronze shard]

I was today years old when I learned that the pillars outside of the Vault, at the end of Golden Wasteland, are kinda shaped like the King….just thought that was neat

[sharp lichen]

I think Sky had a completely different progression of technology to ours

[lusty merlin]

I actually disagree, I just see light creatures being a factor of why the war could’ve started: being used for darkstone production seen with abyss. And because of that, an uprising could’ve start because of the mistreatment of them and pollution in wasteland. But I don’t think it was like skys version of the emu war that it started out as if that’s what you’re implying, but more of the consequence of pollution for the graveyard skeletons.

Hey maybe they could’ve been attacking the mantas to try and power darkstone for a little longer who knows

[frigid tinsel]

There’s little to indicate the war was between ancestors and light creatures besides concept art, which keep in mind is concept and due to change from what is canon. In-game evidence suggests the war was likely a civil war between ancestors, for instance the Remembrance spirit memories of ancestors fighting and subjugating each other. Light creatures were not a force of their own aside from screwed around by the ancestors, which would be why there are so many bones — light creatures were killed off for power diamonds.

The aftermaths of irl battles vary depending on the technology at the time, troop morale, any civilians present, and environmental circumstances. It is not unheard of for victorious armies to lay waste to the losing side’s territories in revenge, such as taking or destroying their livestock and mounts, especially if those animals would’ve provided an advantage to the opposing faction in the form of food or transport.

[elfin glade]

Poking in to report to lore chat that woolly mantas are real
/pops back out/

[lusty merlin]

Awe the plushies are real!

[tepid veldt]

i need one of those asap

[tight roost]

OMG THERE ARE CRABS?????

[elfin glade]

A giant one

[tight roost]

OMG

[tepid veldt]

a silly 🎉

[tight roost]

MY BABY

🦀🦀🦀🦀

[lusty merlin]

Yaya that’s mainly why I think they could’ve been mounts that were recently separated from their rider. Livestock also works but I didn’t really think of that cuz I just can’t see ancestors eating manta being so common but during the war desperation could’ve taken hold

Speaking of remembrance the implication that either a part of wasteland was under military control seen with pleading and tea brewer is also interesting. But also with wounded warrior— the war was still happening, maybe for wounded’s fleet they were trying to regain control and liberate whatever place the opposing side took over? Not only but with veteran’s memory the war must’ve been going on for years which isn’t uncommon, but it’s definitely long considering we watched their child grow up and join the army

[untold notch]

HUGE

[earnest briar]

So very, very shaped

[hushed steeple]

I am very sorry cy, I hadn’t noticed the “no ping”(which isn’t justification.) I will make sure to turn it off next time. I do apologize.

[keen shore]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️

I keep getting jumpscared by how far wooly mantas have spread

[hushed steeple]

Vote wooly manta in the next presidential election!/j

[lusty merlin]

Well we don’t know when the next season will start until they announce but since days of music is on July 3rd (I think) I’d say before

Though this would be better to ask in #questions-and-help next time

[hushed steeple]

Is this referring to the beta? Cause beta content is not allowed in lore chat.
If I’m right, you’re referring to something that hasn’t been announced yet.

[frigid tinsel]

I think they’re confusing Days of Music and the four spirits that’ll be arriving for it, which has been announced: #news message with the next season, which hasn’t been announced

[hushed steeple]

I may not be able to talk about it but trust me. This is likely beta content.

[frigid tinsel]

No, I think not

[lusty merlin]

It’s not, days of music has 4 ts, they just asked if they would come before or after the new season, that’s public knowage

[untold notch]

the use of "traveling spirits" does make me think they're talking about music

[hushed steeple]

Would anyone be willing to let me dm them so I can explain, it will be beta spoilers.

[frigid tinsel]

They’re not asking about beta content. They were fine. Just drop it

[untold notch]

speaking as someone who goes in the beta channels it isn't spoiling anything

[hushed steeple]

I’ll just bring this back up once it’s announced./lh

[quiet warren]

what are these things? we see them a ton all over gw where darkstone was made and everywhere around cargo ships but what exactly are these things

[untold notch]

my theory is that they were darkstone containers since they resemble the diamond shape darkstone has

[hushed steeple]

I’m not entirely sure, but if I had to give a guess it could be a device used to assist dark stone in powering bigger mechanisms or something?

Not really sure.

[raw moon]

I know nothing about lore but I always thought they were some kind of bells, but now that I look at them... idk why I thought that

[hushed steeple]

Cause the bells are gold with similar looking engravings!

[static zephyr]

They also could be some sort of pre-design of bells that we see all over the prairie

Wait a minute.
Judging by how the kingdom of sky works out, there’s light and dark creatures because there’s dark stone they can also mean the light stone exist somewhere?

[native galleon]

i think it might be containers that the waste from factories was stored in maybe? that could be why they're near the polluted geyser and all over gw

they look like they could be an updated version of the ones from the concept art (and yeah i know, concept art isn't canon but the refinery stuff very much still is)

[frigid tinsel]

there's one idea that they were used as moulds for darkstone. another idea considers that we see many power diamonds with gold around them, so perhaps gold works as a conductor for light given bells & chimes, which attract and guide light creatures, are also made of gold. these gold molds could have been used to channel light into the darkstone for the power diamond manufacturing process

[lusty merlin]

I do think they are frames/containers to hold or maybe spruce up darkstone. patterns are similar and the ridges around the top also appear

[lusty merlin]

That too!

[frigid tinsel]

yea, they could have been used during the production process or continue to be used after power diamonds were finished in order to control and/or strengthen their power output, as electrical conductors do.

[lusty merlin]

Yeah I really like that! Gold is used in a lot of doors (mainly the 2 and 8 player door and forest’s statue aswell so it does have properties involving light

[native galleon]

man warrior segment of the concert is so 😭 i have so many thoughts

[native galleon]

Ok so I’ve seen people asking about where exactly the segment takes place, because it doesn’t match up with any existing place on the map. It’s presumably in Valley, other than that we don’t know but I have several observations

First off, we have water. Like a lot of it. Is this maybe like a lake that is either frozen or covered by clouds now? But it looks like it could be an ocean as well, and then right after this you fly up, implying that it’s at a lower elevation

[lusty merlin]

oh yeah thats defentily just a place added for the sake of the concert. Same would apply for mindful miner's part as it showed a newer forest cave near grandma with water and boats

[native galleon]

Oh I know it’s added for the sake of the concert but I want to talk abt things in it that i noticed :3

[lusty merlin]

ah yeah it just seemed like you were asking where the area was in valley itself, my bad

[native galleon]

nono just saying that people have asked about it before and here are my thoughts 🙂
so in almost any given part of valley you can see basically the whole mountain of eden, it seems to be kind of above the highest cloud layers with tgc stating that it’s the highest elevation. but in the concert, you kind of alternate between going above that layer and below it. and a lot of the concert sequence plays out in this sort of in-between layer with eden not visible

and it’s like well so what, you also have that in the flying race, but the flying race seems to be smaller in a sense? like you go into the clouds and all but you’re not there for very long, and you don’t have these huge areas where it looks like layers of the sky are stacked between cloud pillars like this

In other words, it looks like we’re repeatedly crossing between the place above the storm and below it

[mossy rune]

that specific area is one of my favorites in the game, a flourishing civilization high up in the clouds - you really get the feel how geographically large valley must've been at it's "peak". I'd love to see a bazaar or bustling residental area with the upcoming festival tech

[native galleon]

And I’m not saying this is the exact area where the warrior part takes place, because they don’t look quite the same, but you know where else you see a lot of these cloud pillars and overlapping places above and below?

Finally, and this proves absolutely nothing except validating my existing headcanons, but:

[untold notch]

i love architecture

[untold notch]

only problem is you won't be able to see any of it

i am a faan of festival tech in moderation

[native galleon]

pls i would love to see like a city square or something from pre-wasteland, like they did with forgotten ark during bloom but in a more central area Please

[keen shore]

I want to see more obviously ‘city’ sections of Wasteland so bad… Please let me explore golden valley…

[native galleon]

LET ME EXPLORE GOLDEN VALLEY!!!!

[untold notch]

lemme in there lemme in the sand i know theres more of the kingdom than the game shows

[native galleon]

I mean how can we have a realm that represents midlife crisis without crying and reminiscing about how good things could have been /j

[slate saffron]

Going metal detecting on the beach but the beach is a desert and the metal is the remnants of a ruined civilization

[hushed steeple]

I think the valley part of the concert is above wasteland maybe judging by the position of Eden, somewhere on a line slightly to the left of the colosseum.

[hushed steeple]

That’s metal!!!!

[native galleon]

yeah i think they wouldve overlapped a lot in culture but also literal location! ik it may not align exactly with everything the devs have said in the past but think of the golden valley concept as like a region tht they were both a part of

[static zephyr]

Good idea what if we are seeing a lest ruin area!

[covert storm]

Hmmm is it possible that they are freeing them from the darkness instead?

[frigid tinsel]

given the number of mantas who are impaled and speared in the same scene, unlikely

[native galleon]

think i might keep adding to this

[untold notch]

I approve of that choice of action

[native galleon]

need some better shots of battlefield i think

[untold notch]

slides you this

[static zephyr]

Wait wait what dose the blue lights mean in ‘the seed’?

[ashen finch]

Lore fellas, I have a weird question, and I'm not exactly sure if it's lore

The Krill Horn from Shattering, what does it do? I assumed it was a Krill lure, but it does nothing to Krill. All conversations about it date back to a year ago asking about it on reddit and betas replied saying it did nothing, but they were hoping it would updated eventually.

Well, Shattering came and went, this thing was a Season Pass only item that did nothing but toot one note. That's what it seems like anyways. Anyone know what it properly does? Or do you think it could be for something more?

Either it's nothing, or it's the secret Toot of Destiny lol

[lusty merlin]

yeah it does nothing, maybe in theory it could be use as a warning signal like with lookout scout's horn, yet we cant know for sure

[ashen finch]

Best answer I've got so far, thanks

[cloud crescent]

i think those are spirits falling

[hushed steeple]

I’ve got a picture of cyan light in isle if you’re interested!

[hushed steeple]

Hmm..

What abt messuring vault of knowledge in cbm? @hushed steeple

[hushed steeple]

A bit hard seeing as the majority has no walls and there is an unknown amount of space between the third and fourth floors.

Oh

[sharp lichen]

I assumed it was a horn from the krill itself

[hushed steeple]

For thousands of years there have been war horns. A blast from a war horn is used as a signal. You see one in Lord Of The Rings, even. Quite common.

[sharp lichen]

There are actually two warhorns, the one from Lookout Scout and the Krill one from Shattering

[covert hazel]

Wait.

Theory about the diamond mechanism.

The diamond mechanism was artificial and against everything the spirits of the kingdom of sky stand for. It was very polluting and all that, so when they activated the diamond mechanism it literally speed ran the pollution and corruption process of the world because the King wasn't willing to listen to spirits on the actual solution, so he tried a very insensitive way to cure the world and just destroyed it in the process. Thats why the diamond mechanism didn't work because it wasn't built with the existence of the spirits in mind.

[sharp lichen]

I agree with this, it also made all the light creatures and spirits unable to ascend

[covert hazel]

Yes this

[cobalt palm]

The thing with a warhorn is you need someone to answer, like an army.
no army, no response.

Also going with Lord of the Rings, did you know the hobbits also had their own horn calls? There is one to wake everyone up which sounds like "fear, fire, foes, Awake!" which I think is a great line which perfectly describes how the horn would have sounded.
Just to demonstrate that horns were also used to alert people to danger as well as a call to arms, so could be the krill horn is a sound that warns of an incoming attack.

[autumn zinc]

Diamond mechanism??

[lusty merlin]

The ones we light up to open doors and stuff

[autumn zinc]

a h right-

[distant turtle]

It’s like the Little Prince King emote, but for commanding Krill rather than birds!

[ashen finch]

Didn't think lotsa people would answer the question with their own ideas lol

They're all pretty good

[covert storm]

I have a theory :
In golden wasteland what if before the war, could have smth corrupted the creatures of light which turned them into darkness creatures ? Because it seems that they were living okay until that happened
Maybe smth like the diamond mechanism leaked some sort of pollution magic which turned light creatures into darkness ones ?

Correct me if I’m wrong tho it’s just a thought

[keen shore]

You’re on the right track! The only thing that I would add is that the pollution corrupting then probably came from the factories/‘refineries’, like the second area of wasteland where you see the first krill. the black sludge pouring out of the pipes coming from and in those areas gets into the water and makes it ‘dark’ water, which in turn corrupts the ocean creatures that lived there, like krill

[covert storm]

Yes ! But im also thinking was it possible that krill’s were once very rare light creatures and got corrupted? Maybe they were all gathering somewhere and they all got turned into dark creatures

[untold notch]

(per the reacts, it's not clear whether they were once whales, but they are confirmed to be corrupted)

[marsh verge]

That's so cool

reminds me of shattering last quest memory

[hushed steeple]

I have a little theory after back reading some of this channel

about the six realms (minus Eden) telling the story of the civilization that came before

also note I don’t know any of the stuff outside the game, and I also left for 3 years so my info is sort of outdated on hidden areas and stuff lol

first theory: the portals are a meta narrative of the story of the civilization before
second theory: the portals are the story of the civilization before, like. putting aside game design, we go through literal portals to get places - what if those were purposely made as little pocket dimensions by the previous civilization, to tell their story? the home island is surrounded by ocean, what if that’s all that was left after what happened

now for the actual realm story:

isle of dawn and daylight prairie: with their respective times of day, showing the progression of settling into their world, spirits building homes and families.

hidden forest: a hint of the darkness lurking, like a Moana situation. hidden forest is also in broad daylight, from prairie, and you start out in clear skies before going into the forest part where there’s dark plants, acid rain, etc. and there are spirits shown ducking for cover w their umbrellas in their emotes, plus forest has areas like grandma and the final oasis where it’s clear, so the forest’s conditions are pretty central to itself

valley: the sunset of their civilization, given the time of day. the final peak of their world before the war, before anyone was aware

golden wasteland: the darkness finally spreads everywhere, increases, and the corruption engages in war with the spirits - there’s more spirits hiding from the Krill in the wasteland, trying to survive

vault: the spirits lose the war against the darkness and the vault is the final preservation of their civilization. library of Alexandria style: they wanted to preserve all they could about their civilization before they died out completely, which is why there’s the storage room and ruined archive

Eden: the final scene, where the darkness/corruption has won the war and the spirits are having their final fight. there’s no spirits to relive memories here: this is the end of the war, with the vault of knowledge and preservation of their civilization behind them and their losing battle ahead of them

we are then reborn and we fall from the sky onto home island, where the whole story is laid out before us, as if on purpose

[little iris]

Kinda reminds me of that one memory from season of shattering

[inland cliff]

Jars are usually filled with butterflies but i just now realised that some of them can also storage ppl ashes

[native galleon]

i mean they can store a lot of things

[hushed steeple]

They can store garlic and onion powder for the good and greater of the future of the kingdom as life may not be fulfilled till thou hath aten of but just oneth garlic bread from the lord!!!!/j

[native galleon]

speaking of that one memory from shattering. what if elders in cbm

[hushed steeple]

I can either go to the mural cutscene or I decide to buy the pins to get into the individual curscenes(probably the first option)

[sharp lichen]

We already have their actual height 😭

[sharp lichen]

I think an important thing to factor is the coexistence between the realms. So although your stories are true, they are all happening around the same time. While the poor suffer in Forest and Wasteland, the rich rejoice in Valley.

[hushed steeple]

Y’think the real reason the kingdom of sky fell is due to hostile recreational vehicles wanting more bone juice?/j

[sharp lichen]

If hostile means “mostly peaceful but sometimes fighting others”, recreational means “enjoying arts and festivities”, and vehicles means “moving”, then sure I guess that’s not entirely false

[hushed steeple]

Forgot to mention that they were sentient./j

[native galleon]

we do?? where

arent they wildly inconsistent tho

[sharp lichen]

Copied from Salem:

Elder heights:
Isle – 8'9"
Prairie – 15'5" (prob wrong)
Forest – 10'1"
Valley – 7'5"
Wasteland – 9'10"
Vault – 5'2"

It’s inconsistent between the heights found in the cutscenes and the heights found in Orbit. The Shattering memories are on a different scale of reference entirely

[native galleon]

FIVE FOOT TWO???????

[sharp lichen]

Counterpoint, we never see the Vault Elder standing up

[native galleon]

there is that oob

ok actually i. think trying to measure them is impossible forget i said anything

i would be curious to see how big the shattering models are but that would be difficult for a number of reasons

[native galleon]

so the oob model is like 6ft 9in

[hushed steeple]

Here the vault elder is around 6ft 9

[native galleon]

nice
in conclusion: ?????????

[hushed steeple]

In conclusion, the elders probably defy the laws of physics, Français, pachyderms, and all things researchy with number symbols.

[pastel brook]

We ask everyone to please post only in English on this server, @hushed steeple. Unfortunately, moderators and staff aren't able to support all the languages spoken by our global Sky family.

[native galleon]

bahahahahah

[hushed steeple]

Français means French.

[pastel brook]

We ask everyone to please post only in English on this server, @hushed steeple. Unfortunately, moderators and staff aren't able to support all the languages spoken by our global Sky family.

[cunning girder]

Sky lore, HOW DO THEY MAKE CAKE??? IN SKY??? And what would the cake TASTE LIKE

[south saddle]

uuuuuh wheat n stuff I mean if they can grow stuff they probably have crops
it'll taste like.. normal cake..?

[sharp lichen]

We see farmers in Sky, so they probably have bread and therefore cake

[normal steppe]

ik I’m probably dead wrong but if i were to guess it would taste like soft angel cake 😛

[reef slate]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1091258136683360316/1125455987554398258/IMG_1112.jpg
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1091258136683360316/1125455987978014810/IMG_1113.jpg

Any idea what this black star is? I've never noticed it before.

[sharp lichen]

There are many theories about it, I believe it to be the remains of the Eden Elder

The only problem is how did it get so high up

[autumn zinc]

Where is that?? oob?

[frigid tinsel]

Final frozen memory with the Elders

[pliant mantle]

Hey guys, im not always into the lore here so correct me if im wrong. Who is this? Because i found them in the final frozen memory and they don't seem to look at all like the forest elder.

Hold up. Thats hair and not a head isnt it

[frigid tinsel]

That is the Forest Elder

[pliant mantle]

Yeah, figured. Thanks for confirming that though

[old lotus]

ㅎ

[warped field]

Is this the Eden elder? Or the personification of Eden? I find it very cool!

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, probably

[warped field]

Interesting

[hushed steeple]

is this confirmed canonically?

[sharp lichen]

No, but we can find clues due to places like the Wind Paths and Cave of Prophecies

[hushed steeple]

shape of what?

[hushed steeple]

what are the clues? also if it isn’t confirmed canonically then it isn’t certain, and it has as much value as any regular theory - I don’t have to factor it into mine /lh

[sharp lichen]

There are plenty of clues to prove that the realms coexisted at the same time.

For one, all the Elders appear with you at the end of the Vault cutscene

Also, the Wind Paths shows an opening to multiple realms at once

There is also the Cave of Prophecies, which shows all six realms in one mural

And the Passage quests, which have the students traveling across the realms to do their stuff.

Also, in the Isle temple, we see references to all the other temples

In the Village Theater, we see all six realms represented at once, even realms that would not exist if they were all the same place in different time periods.

All of the realms have extremely different geography.

We see pots from Prairie in a mural in the Forest beginning courtyard.

Also, in the Season of Aurora concert, we see Wasteland being attacked by something above, presumably from Valley.

Because of all these clues, I think the realms all coexisted at once instead of one at a time. We still see the story of the rise and fall of the civilization, but it involves multiple perspectives at once.

[hushed steeple]

I said that, in my theory I said that Forest had conditions central to itself - all of the realms are part of the same world, but the “dimensions” the story was shown through was split into six parts/locations

[sharp lichen]

Oh I misunderstood sorry, I thought you said the realms were all the same place in different time periods

Ok, I like what you actually said a lot (sorry for misrepresenting)

[hushed steeple]

ty! also it’s fine

[hushed steeple]

it’s a mix of both, kind of? like. all six realms are existing in the same place but they aren’t shown in the story until the time that’s needed - GW existed before it was what it was, but the story doesn’t show it until it’s corrupted like it is now, and like. Dawn is a different location very early on, Prairie is a different location later on, Forest is a different location somewhere in the middle, Valley is another location shown near the end of the overall world’s end, then Wasteland, Vault is shown after they’ve filled it with the last remnants of their civilization, and then Eden. so it’s all coexisting but the story is shown in different locations at different times, when the location becomes what’s relevant to the story they’re telling

[hushed steeple]

There is no time travel between the realms. During your initial journey through Sky you physically pass between each realm signifying they are all in the present. The reason it seems like the contrary is due to one of Sky’s themes, the development of civilization.

I said they were created as ‘pocket dimensions’ to show the story, so their conditions can be customized to whatever the spirits want when you move through

[sharp lichen]

In the main game sure, but we do see glimpses of realms before our time in the Animation Project teasers, for example, a non-rainy Forest or a grassy Wasteland.

[hushed steeple]

yeah, so wasteland existed before it was corrupted and so did forest, they were only shown in the time period their conditions were relevant for the story

Yes, they all existed in the past, but the conditions we see them in now are their present conditions. Sky doesn’t have time travel, the realms only seem somewhat segmented in these ways due to the themes of Sky. These themes being stages of life, time of day, and development of civilization. The realms were each designed to represent these themes in a linear form. Isle to Eden, Dawn to Midnight, Birth to Death, Beginning of a civilization to the fall of it.
Despite that each realm is in it present state when we find them, neither the spirits nor elders can change that, time is still progressing, and the weather is constantly changing. The reason we don’t typically see these changes in weather and time is due to both theming and game limitations(the few meshes used in game all have to have the lights and shadows painted on them as the shaders don’t work well on them.)
The few times we do notice the changes is at the assembly tree house, the treasure reef(being a different time of day from the rest of wasteland), the AURORA concert, and the season of passage area and quests.

[hushed steeple]

One thing to make note of is that each theme only affects the appearance of each realm in game, it has little to do with the lore as a whole aside from influencing certain aspects such as the specialization of each realm and geography.
As well as the elders as they represent how you view adults at each stage of life.

[marble lynx]

Forest Elder was being yeeted

[hushed steeple]

Isle Elder didn’t even intend to be there, they were just looking for their reading mask!

[autumn zinc]

What are these little funky guys?

[tranquil shadow]

someone give me an explanation of the lore bc i just don’t get it

[hushed steeple]

The common believe is that they’re crabs.
(Also, I’m just now noticing those legs are more like that of actual hermit crabs rather than the crabs we see in game!)

[sharp lichen]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

But an extremely basic summary is that there was an ancient species of Ancestor Spirits that built a civilization, but died. Skykids were sent down by the stars to free the lost souls of these Ancestors

[leaden hornet]

I remember hearing somewhere that skids were made of clay.I mostly want to double check if it’s true

[hushed steeple]

Looks like barnacles are on the crab(which is funny since barnacles are crustaceans)and these barnacles make up the eyes? Really weird to be honest.

[hushed steeple]

Sky kids are said to be made of something like coal or clay(if I remember correctly.) so yes, generally.

[flint bolt]

lorechat, explain to me why ducks don't fit into the sky lore

[hushed steeple]

They do.

[untold notch]

duckphobia will not be tolerated,

[tepid veldt]

ducks fit into everything i dunno what you mean

[round parrot]

ducks are just lil guys who perfectly fit into the lore

[hushed steeple]

Now geese!
They are feared by all.
Even Ruby.

[flint bolt]

thank you lorechat, i can now ascend to the higher plain knowing ducks fit into funi bird game story.

[compact shale]

I mean, if a duck mask exists, it's safe to assume that

1. Ducks existed in the Sky world at some point
   Or
2. Ducks are a creature of myth/legend in Sky

[forest nexus]

hi lorechat, i was wondering if there are any resources with a timeline/outline of the history of sky

[desert bobcat]

this would be the same for every animal mask if you think about it

[autumn zinc]

!grandmawhen

[pastel brook]

Grandma periodically holds a timed event at the Ancestor’s table of Belonging in the elevated clearing of Hidden Forest, providing up to a certain amount of Light per day and a delicious meal to Sky children.

Event times: (These timestamps are in your local time!)

<t:1682839809:t> 》 <t:1682847009:t> 》<t:1682854209:t> 》<t:1682861400:t> 》<t:1682868600:t> 》<t:1682789400:t> 》<t:1682796600:t> 》<t:1682803800:t> 》<t:1682811000:t> 》 <t:1682818200:t> 》<t:1682825400:t> 》<t:1682832600:t> 》

[nova meadow]

Its likely a lot of the animals featured on masks had gone extinct or were just myths in the first place

[hushed steeple]

The myth of the bunny speaks of a ferocious foe of many farmers! It would seek out crops to feast on, ruining the harvest for years!/j

[marble lynx]

How tall is Aurora spirit compare with chibi?

[hushed steeple]

I’m at a family event right now so I’m probably not doing cbm until tomorrow.

[sharp lichen]

The timeline has been extremely debated upon, and there is no clear answer as to which one’s right. However, there is a useful resource otherwise:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

[sharp lichen]

I mean, Aurora’s height in real life is 5 foot 3 inches

[sharp lichen]

However, I will also make a timeline of my own. It is not true factual canon, just an interpretation of what I think the timeline to be.

[native galleon]

It wasn’t darkstone or civil war or krills that destroyed Wasteland…it was the bunnies /j

[sharp lichen]

Timeline of the Sky universe as presented by me (not canon, just an interpretation)

Age of Starlight

The stars descend and became all the light creatures we know and love, including some we don’t know. The Ancestors (living versions of the Spirits) also arrive during this age.

Age of Exploration
(Switch Trailer and Runaway part of Aurora Concert)

The Light Creatures roam the world, while the Ancestors seek to claim it. It is likely during this time that the Elders also arrive.

Age of Production
(All is Soft Inside part of Aurora Concert, Warrior part of Aurora Concert, Season of Prophecy, Season of Sanctuary, Season of Passage)

As the Ancestors settle down and form the kingdoms of Sky, they mine darkstone, a powerful mineral. This mineral can then be charged with light, forming power diamonds, which are used to open doors and power boats, along with much more. The darkstone mining is crude and ineffective, but it works for now, and the Ancestors build flying boats to easily transport through the realms.

Age of Contrasts

(Gratitude, Belonging, Lightseekers, Rhythm, TLP)

Years later, the realms differentiate themselves in major ways. Valley of Triumph is enjoying a golden age, with interests in the arts, music, and sports. Golden Wasteland, however, is plagued with strife, causing it to slowly decay. One thing unites the realms, however, and that is darkstone: Forest and Wasteland now become prime spots for darkstone gathering, with large mines and refineries being built. To fuel this demand for darkstone, they sacrifice light creatures to power it.

Age of War
(The Seed part of Aurora concert, Season of Remembrance)

This massive and complex war has two sides: the Sun Shield, and the Diamond Shield. The Diamond Shield wishes for darkstone to continue to be mined and light creatures to be used, while the Sun Shield wanted to protect the environment and light creatures that were being hurt. Eventually, the Wasteland Elder sided with the Sun Shield, and eventually won, but it was a pyrrhic victory. Valley of Triumph got involved with the war near the end, souring the relations between the two. Many citizens became refugees, fleeing to the Vault of Knowledge as their old lives got destroyed.

Age of Rebuilding
(Season of Assembly, Season of Enchantment, Season of Dreams)

After the war, the kingdoms were shook. They became more independent, less willing to cooperate. Inspired by the Lightseekers’ actions years prior, a group of Scouts form their own version of it as the Treehouse. A group of magicians board the Forgotten Ark to settle in the Golden Wasteland, trying to create a magical utopia. However, they fail, and the magic is scattered across the world. In Valley, however, things return to somewhat normalcy, as advanced darkstone technology improves enough to create ski lifts.

Age of Stress
(Season of Flight)

The Eden Elder decides they are going to make a massive darkstone contraption at the very top of Eden. The kingdoms experience more and more problems that start to pile up. Meanwhile, a group of Ancestors from the Wind Paths try to reject the horrible practices done to light creatures and make a land where Ancestors and light creatures are free to roam.

The Shattering
(Season of Shattering)

The Eden Diamond is built, but it explodes. The Eden Elder tries to fix it, but fail. They turn into the Void of Shattering, nothing but a husk. Meanwhile, devastating shards rain down in the Sky world, but not everyone is completely out yet.

[untold notch]

I know Salem has a separate post about a timeline somewhere but idk where that one is

[sharp lichen]

Age of Final Whispers
(Season of Performance, Season of Abyss)

Although most realms are horribly damaged, the Valley of Triumph barely holds on. A group of spirits in the Village Theater still try to finish their play, but die while doing so. The darkstone mines of Wasteland flood, becoming the Treasure Reef. After a few years, it is teeming with life. A group of survivors venture into this abyss in hopes of spare darkstone. However, they die too.

A LONG TIME PASSES…

Age of Sky
(Us!)

The Skykids fall, determined to save the land and prevent the darkness from ever consuming the world.

[hushed steeple]

Consume cloth.

Why am i crying at this

[native galleon]

oooh this is really cool baud!! love the way you worked the seasons into it, and the ideas about what happened between the war and the shattering are rly cool :3

[sharp lichen]

Thank Lookout Scout for that

You see, in the spirit’s memories, we see Lookout Scout exploring a ruined temple. That means that even early on, Wasteland had to be decayed, and thus a war had to come soon after

[native galleon]

wait im confused, i agree that there had to have been some degradation prior to the war, but wouldn’t the scout’s memories be during it?

[marble lynx]

Nah, I'm not talking about the real one, but the one which is blue and floats in the air and surrounded by colour lights which looks like a beach ball in Valley

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, that’s what I said

[sharp lichen]

It’s difficult to measure, unless you measure the height of one of the spirits and then compare the spirits to Aurora when they hold hands in the concert

[marble lynx]

I think it's easy to measure during Season of Aurora, she's not floating that high

[hushed steeple]

Yeah, I could definitely measure, I’m simply at a family event right now.

[frail trellis]

I saw in a place about the skykids, it said that we come from the stars and that's why we don't die, but we are reborn. Is this true?

[sharp lichen]

Ydah

[frail trellis]

Sorry I didn't understand lol.

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, it’s true

[hushed steeple]

Funny, so many bird ancestors have been visiting as of recent!
Next thing ya know they’re all gonna get together and have crows attack the Kingdom of Sky!/j

AURORA is definitely not 5,2 here!

[sturdy wyvern]

What about the aurora at the concert? Is there a way we could measure her height there?

[hushed steeple]

Unfortunately no, not exactly.
There is a secret AURORA after the concert but I don’t have the concert wings(nor the time today.) However, I noticed the runaway pack mannequin? Modeler? ???? ? Is bigger than a sky kid.

Well wha’d’ya know!!!
I think we have ourselves here a rootin tootin discerverery!!!!

…..

I apologize for that.
(Not really, it was quite entertaining)

[covert hazel]

I was not aware that that word wasn't allowed so I have censored it...I just thought I could say it because I've said it in the past. I don't quite understand why it's censored but here we are.

[hushed steeple]

I dunno, I feel like things would have been more organized and people would have gotten along more if that were the case. But I’m not an expert on that sort of thing so don’t quote me on that!

[covert hazel]

Going off of how well Abrahamic religions get along and historically one of the three reasons war happens is over religion... Probably not.

[hushed steeple]

There is a stark difference between religion and that.

[covert hazel]

I..know that? I'm saying that when one becomes too radical in that belief, that's what can happen.

I am religious as well I'm not just talking bad about religion but I am against extremism.

[hushed steeple]

Sigh, kinda, there is more to it that I can’t exactly explain well enough. And I’m about to return to my family event so there isn’t much time for me to explain either. I suggest watching the video on it in the YouTube tech support series!

[covert hazel]

I'm so confused

What video???

[forest nexus]

thank you so much!! This is fantastic

[forest nexus]

Thank youuuu, I’ll check it out

[hushed steeple]

It’s a WIRED video. I can dm it to you if you’d like.

[covert hazel]

Sure

[viral bay]

How about the GARGANTUAN aurora in Queendom?

[hushed steeple]

How the darkness am I supposed to measure that!!!!

[viral bay]

I thought u love a challenge

[hushed steeple]

There is no consistency!!!! Each time we see that version of her she’s a different size!!!!!!
And the only time I might be able to attempt a measure she’s moving so rapidly!!!!

That’s nothing like Ruby!!!!!

[viral bay]

Maybe measure like the end cutscene of queendom when the swarm of skids surround aurora and she floats straight lol

U can zoom in and measure how much skid pixels aurora measures XDD /s

[hushed steeple]

I can try to think of something later. The main problem is that I can’t get to the concert, and even then its timed.
In fact it’s a long time!

[viral bay]

Oh yeah true
No rush though!

[hushed steeple]

What would happen if SCP-001 When Day Breaks occurred in the Kingdom of Sky?

(For reference, that’s the one with the angry sun and the sentient….. organic materials…… yeah….)

I theorize that it would initially burn the darkness, and then it would possibly burn the plant life, and the rest would be fine.

[earnest briar]

Free infinite energy for Skids :D

[hushed steeple]

All dark stone powered devices are suddenly permanently powered!(except for in vault)

[covert hazel]

I just realized something kinda sad about Grandma. She's a trapped spirit too and instead of leaving she takes care of the kids 😭

[sharp lichen]

I see it as a happy thing, even when dead you still make sure to take care of children and feed them

[viral bay]

She prolly boils the dumpling in the shadow/spirit realm and then spawn them in here for us

[compact shale]

Grandma: Don't tell me to ascend again until I feed 1 billion children.
Megabird: aight

[hushed steeple]

Why are blankets sentient, but not quilts?/j

[covert hazel]

That's adorable I love

[mint jetty]

Whats the megabird all about? Sorry new the lore thingies in sky 💀

[unkempt coral]

Is the season of rhythm and performance guides siblings?

[mossy rune]

I think they've been referred to as twins by the devs

[lusty merlin]

Ya with performances card and cutscene, along with how similar both their hair and mask details are, it makes it clear rhythm is the twin refered in performances card

[lusty merlin]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

Talked about them here

For more context: they’re the figure we see in ending credits and when we look straight up in orbit. Many folks have interpretations on how involved they are. Some see them as a god or the creator of all life in sky. I more like the idea of the later. Megabird just seen as another fundamental core of life in sky rather than a worshiped figure, yet I can still see folks giving thanks

[stiff tangle]

What do sky creatures eat?🤔

[hushed steeple]

Toe and finger nail clippings./j

It is uncertain what light creatures eat, but we do know that they do have a mouth hinting at them possibly requiring to eat something physical, but that’s just a theory. We don’t know if they are hunters as they usually only have one eye.
Though there may be hints at what they eat when looking at their real life inspirations.
For example birds, it can be assumed that they likely eat things like bugs and seeds.
However, it’s also possible that they could eat light similar to sky kids or ancestors. Though this is just a speculative idea, there is little evidence to say anything eats light aside from possible nods seen in game such as the bloom wisteria tea set and grandmas meals.

If we are to base their diets off of the real life inspirations then mantas are carnivores.

[native galleon]

They do photosynthesis like plants /hj

[hushed steeple]

Are you referring to the plankton or the manta?

While there are planktonic organisms that are more like plants and photosynthesize, the ones manta rays eat are all crustaceans.

Wait, I think I kinda understand what you mean now.
Maybe…

[dense arrow]

Huh. Interesting.

[stiff tangle]

Can the rhythm guide actually turn into a big bird?

[native galleon]

i mean light creatures in general i think they would photosynthesize :3

[hushed steeple]

If they could photosynthesize they wouldn’t have a mouth.
It’s possible they could to an extent possibly, but likely still require other forms of nutrition.

[native galleon]

ya to an extent i mean!!
also if there are light plants and stuff, they could consume light by eating those as well as absorbing it from fire or clouds or whatever

[hushed steeple]

Yeah!
There really isn’t a definite way to figure out what they eat as there are no hints to their eating habits in game.

[native galleon]

i mean, photosynthesis is just converting light energy into chemical energy, plants do it from the sun but in the sky world i could see it being from other light sources, like the way skykids recharge near light

so to explain my first message
they do photosynthesis ✅ (not a joke)
like plants ❌ (joke)

[hushed steeple]

Ok, yeah!
Like the leafy sheep slug!

[native galleon]

Idk I’m not a scientist i just think it’s neat

[native galleon]

i’m not sure what this is but i am intrigued

[hushed steeple]

The leafy sheep slug eats plants and gains the ability to photosynthesize! But it still needs to eat plants.

It’s the cool thing about sea slugs! Many of them can gain traits from what they eat! Like the blue dragon sea slug that eats the Portuguese Man O War!

[sharp lichen]

I have a theory that creatures like birds, butterflies and mantas don’t really need to eat, as well as Skykids.

Light is a sort of food for them, but they don’t need to consume anything. They can just find light naturally in the world to get energy

[hushed steeple]

The future of life is plant symbiosis!/j

[stiff tangle]

Mmm, can a skykid create life? They can make butterflies out of dark plants using their candle. Kinda like sharing life energy?

[sharp lichen]

Megabird seems to be an originator/progenitor of The Light, an all-encompassing force which consists of all light in the world

We see it as a massive supercluster of light in the game at the end credits and in other places I think

[hushed steeple]

No. The butterflies are likely just trapped in the darkness we burn.

[sharp lichen]

Not directly, I don’t think so. In the Isle and Prairie Elder cutscenes, we see them creating birds and butterflies, respectively

[hushed steeple]

You need to either swap “Isle” and “Prairie” or “butterflies” and “birds” in your sentence as using “respectively” in this current format swaps the creatures each elder makes. It’s currently stating that Isle makes butterflies and Prairie makes birds./lh
No hate or malicious intent, just trying to reduce confusion!/lh

[sharp lichen]

Ok, done

[soft timber]

appears Imagine if Granny is baking only to turn around and be jumpscared by 6 kids and a little birb

[hushed steeple]

Grandma: Oh Sweet Orbit!
Skids: …..
Grandma:
Skid 1: … We brought plants…
Grandma:looks back to see an entirely new ecosystem!!!!

[hushed steeple]

I don’t make the bobbit worm rules…
Well… wait
Cut the feed
CUT THE FEE-

[pale osprey]

Hey Lore Chat! I’m back again with another random question that just popped up.
Let me know if anyone actually had explained this already,but I was wondering if the Sky Kingdom itself was built at times when all the spirits were alive,along with Elders and other creatures? As if it’s Skykids’ responsibility to satisfy the wishes of already dead people,that had died a long time ago. Or is the whole world of Sky was built specifically for spirits to come there? I mean spirits are stuck with only a couple of memories,they ascend as we collect them,so does that mean skykids just help the souls of already dead people to ascend? I’d love to hear your take on this.

[soft timber]

Lol Yes

[sharp lichen]

I think what you said is true. The spirits have long been dead/trapped in this world, so the Skykids have to save them

[pale osprey]

Because if so it’s very creepy. Poor children are reliving memories of dead people again and again

[hushed steeple]

The kingdom of Sky was built by the ancestors long ago. Then they died and were stuck in the kingdom.
Because they were stuck there we were sent down to ascend them.
Lore wise a spirit’s memories only need to be relived once and then you never see them kneeling again.
But for gameplay purposes we are allowed to relive them as much as we want.

[pale osprey]

So does that mean that all these spirits we see have been alive in the kingdom,died and were trapped for years for us to save them?

[hushed steeple]

Yes.
A long,
Indeterminate
Amount of time.

[pale osprey]

Sheesh…

[sharp lichen]

I think it’s more a gameplay complication that we’re doing again. In the lore, we save the spirit once and they are freed. The only reason we do it again and again is because if the spirit only had to be saved once, it would cause a lot of gameplay problems

[pale osprey]

Fair enough

[sharp lichen]

Not indeterminate, from the switch trailer it says “centuries”. Still a horribly long time to be trapped

[hushed steeple]

Yes, but how much of those centuries were filled with them still living?

[pale osprey]

It still haunts me when I think about their mind being trapped for centuries. I wonder if they replay the same memory because they don’t remember anything besides their death,or because they have gone out of their mind?

[hushed steeple]

I often imagine it being in a null space of mind.
No measure of time.
No recognition of anything happening.
Almost as if experiencing a lack of existence!

hellooo

[pale osprey]

Oooo I actually really like that!

Thanks everyone! Discussing Sky Lore is definitely my favorite thing lately

[hushed steeple]

Yeah!
I’m pretty sure I had an experience just like that before my child brain began remembering things!

[pale osprey]

Yet I’m still concerned about skykids. It’s like from the moment they are born they were made to experience trauma of other dead people,save them and then go to Eden

[hushed steeple]

Yeah…..
There’s no way to sugar coat that.

[pale osprey]

I’m hosting group therapy for all the skykids feel free to join at this point

It’s going to be like an Aurora concert or smth but everyone is crying and hugging each other

[sharp lichen]

At the very most a few years, maybe a decade or so. The Ancestors couldn’t survive for long

[sharp lichen]

Like being unconscious?

[hushed steeple]

Therapist: Hello everyone! Welcome to the gro-OH MY LIGHT!!!
My sky kid:…
I brought plants…

…

Therapist: staring into what is pretty much an entire jungle
Yeah…. Plants… You must have a very big green thumb.
My sky kid: I mostly do it as a hobby…
Therapist: A HOBBY??!!????

[pale osprey]

OMG LOVE THAT!!! Honestly I imagine a therapist to be Isle Elder or one of TGC’s member,because honestly I have no idea who would handle gazillions of scared and traumatized flying skykids

[hushed steeple]

No, it’s hard to understand if it’s never happened to you I suppose, but I can try to explain.

It’s like not existing, sorta. All you are is a simple thought, an idea, a concept.
You don’t understand time nor space. You don’t have any recognition of anything.
All is null, void, incomprehensible nothingness.
And probably a single emotion.
(I sound insane but trust me please)For me I had a feeling of impatience. Waiting for something to begin.
And then cut to the perspective of a jolly 3 year old running out of a closet!!!

[hushed steeple]

The moth that was sleeping through wasteland and Eden./j

[hushed steeple]

This is likely the reason I like to refer to myself as an entity, cause no way I’m human with that sort of beginning!!!/j

[pale osprey]

Oh man I wish we could actually host something like a therapy session or just a support group in the Coliseum,like 50% of the discord server just balling their eyes out and vibing to Aurora afterwards. Sounds like a typical evening but make it 1283846382919 people

[hushed steeple]

We’d need A LOT of therapists!!!
Cause only 8 skids a server!

[pale osprey]

It’s the Coliseum,we’ll fit like 7K at least. Though imagine how long it will be to listen to all of them

AURORA is our therapist honestly. Love this idea,gonna make a fan art in the future

[hushed steeple]

Y E S!!!

[hushed steeple]

I come with new measures!!!

[leaden field]

Why are there two valley elders? Someone told me to post this here

[hushed steeple]

There’s lots of speculation but ultimately we don’t really know.
My personal idea is that(game wise not lore wise)it could have something to do with the themes of the realms. Specifically age, as the elders represent how you view adults at those ages. For valley TGC said they represent the view of adults as competitors.

These two are nowhere near the same height.
I mean, it is possible for twins to be different heights I suppose, but I just never expected these two to be different in height.
It could also be due to height inconsistencies.
I mean, Thoughtful Director is still rhythm guide, right?

[lusty merlin]

if you wanna think metaphorically with the realms reflecting times of growing up (something that was seen in development) valley with having two elders (though technically counting as one according to orbit)it could represent the internal struggles of navigating adulthood.

OR if you wanna think about the characters themselves, it could be the devs wanting to to give some passive backstory to them. The twins are both missing an eye on the opposite side of eachother, and are also shown to have prosthetic arms on the side aswell. #lore-discussion-spoilers message And with the fact they are referred to "Elder of the Valley" and not "Elder's" in orbit makes a very cool implication that its highly possible they were meant to split but didn't fully form. Yet its also possible they were meant to be one elder yet still got split somehow

or it could just be the dev's being "why not"

[hushed steeple]

Ok, so they’re meant to be the same height.

THEN WHO IS THOUGHTFUL DIRECTOR!!!!/j

[pastel brook]

[hushed steeple]

They’re twins.
Also, the ancestors and elders have no genders./lh

[fervent knoll]

Uncle or aunt?

[hushed steeple]

I don’t understand. Could you explain what you mean?

[fervent knoll]

Reply the wrong tag, it's about thoughtful director relationship to the twins

[willow jackal]

Okay, i returned to sky after a... Few years (2 i think)
What was the lore in season of shattering if im allowed to ask

Like i came back and see a limited time season be mentioned thats... Definetly not tame like the other seasons

[hushed steeple]

Oh, lol!
Hmmmmm…
Maybe.
But it could also be due to rhythm being the first season in the original beta for Sky and therefore could have caused some inconsistencies when trying to bring it back to the live game more than a year later.
I believe that season originally did not have guides.

[marble lynx]

the Eden diamond explodes. btw this is my frd's vid: https://youtu.be/azczOulpIbk

[willow jackal]

The eden diamond? The thing in the middle?

[upbeat jasper]

question for the lore hunters/hc crafters: is there any signs of sky kids or ancestors or anything forging weapons or things in general? I know forest mama uses that big ol hammer in her cutscene, but I was wondering if that type of thing appears anywhere else. asking for oc lore reasons :P (wanna give a new oc a big hammer, but I want there to be a reason they have one other than it would look cool) also please ping/reply with your findings cuz I usually don't check this channel

[violet sundial]

Hmm, i don’t thiiiinnnnkkk theres any other instances of forges but i’d say its pretty likely that the ancestors knew how to forge weapons in general given theres so many of them strewn about! you could just say that they found a giant hammer in wasteland and it would be pretty plausible but idk if that answer would be to ur satisfaction?

Also, personally, i hc that skykids don’t really make much of anything new at all, they recycle and reuse whatever they find instead! They are all children, after all :>

[hushed steeple]

Ancestors did make weapons(as seen by the battle field and war memories.) And the broken temple in the wasteland(first krill encounter)is a ruined version of that place in forest. The big ceiling thing is to the left.

I’m not sure that it was a forge though, I mean it could be, but the design doesn’t seem likely.
Who knows?!

[hushed steeple]

Chibis are literally walking six month old babies.
I think sky kids are smarter than they look!
Also, the tallest height is I believe about the height of a toddler!/lh

[violet sundial]

They’re not necessarily unintelligent! I mean more like… i think they would use more scrappy makeshift methods to create things or recycle them rather than building them from the ground up! I bet some of them would still come up with some pretty ingenious solutions to the problems they face! I just don’t personally imagine them using the same exact processes the ancestors did to create whatever they need to survive

Its a bit difficult to articulate but it’s like the difference between building a home to live in and making a home inside a preexisting structure

[hushed steeple]

Ok, I see what you’re saying!
Like recycling objects or using a pre-existing template!

[sharp lichen]

There is a harpoon gun in the background of the Season of Abyss, and hammers, spears, and shields are common, especially in Wasteland.

However, it’s more difficult to justify the peaceful Skykids to wield weapons. While I won’t force you down a path, here are some reasons as to why Skykids would wield weapons:

-for show

-To ward off dark creatures (a bit flimsy)

-To forge new things, similar to the Forest Elder

-For historic/safekeeping reasons

Also, items from the ancestors are often repurposed by the Skykids. For example, the firework staff was probably first used as a signal/warning flare, but now we use it for entertainment

[violet sundial]

Yah!

[compact shale]

if we used the harpoon for its intended purpose you'd need 2 skykids
one to aim and one to shoot

[hushed steeple]

And one chibi to ride the harpoon!/j

[stiff tangle]

Does darkness play a part in the life cylce of creatures?

[hushed steeple]

The imaginary friend!

[reef temple]

What's the lore behind eden?

[tepid veldt]

explode

[stiff tangle]

I still wanna know

[drifting cipher]

If there's light and dark shouldn't there be shadow as well

[hushed steeple]

It’s said dark and light used to live in balance, but then the light weakened and the dark took over.
That’s as much as we know sorta.

[sharp lichen]

Probably not, it seems like more of an interrupting force in the natural cycle

[stiff tangle]

I kinda feel like darkness is something natural in the world of Sky, kinda like death. Maybe darkness came first after light since I think Sky is partially based off the bible or something and that one line where god said let there be light. I dunno.

[stiff tangle]

Maybe darkness is a representation of hate. Maybe thats why some creatures become dark and all the ancestors become trapped.

[sharp lichen]

We do see very little darkness in the early parts of the Sky world, in the Switch trailer

[hushed steeple]

Maybe something like that in Sky’s past, but the forms of darkness we see in Sky now are unnatural and invasive. Brought about through pollution and corruption and causes corruption.

It likely also serves as symbolism for Sky’s different themes(time of day, stage of life, development of civilization.)

[sharp lichen]

Darkness to me represents many things, but it’s also a symbol of pollution. That’s why the realms with the most darkness also have things like polluted water and acid rain

[hushed steeple]

The strange thing is I don’t believe there is a single darkness plant in Vault.
Likely due to Vault having been mostly indoors, a form of safe space from the war, and representing things like old age and the calmness of night.

[dreamy saddle]

isnt it debateable how much of vault tho is actually 'real' as opposed to more of a dreamscape?

[lusty merlin]

Remberance quests has you burning dark plants so they do exist

[hushed steeple]

RIGHT!
I FORGOT ABOUT THAT!

[hushed steeple]

I think vault is meant be mostly there.
Each level is there, and so are the spirits.
Though some objects may just be projections, illusions, memories, or even creations of purple light(the only definite things we can pin point as such are the lanterns and mantas and possibly the trees and bones.)

My new theory on vaults appearance however is that something caused vaults walls to be demolished almost entirely, but since it is inside the mountain of Eden and has loads of power diamonds and use of purple light, some of the debris and structures were left just floating there, in mid air. Something that can be seen in the refinery, the starlight desert, and the secret archives where grandpa from belonging is found!

Also, due to being in the mountain we can see a lot of hollow space just around.

[mellow sleet]

Is the map for starlight desert inaccurate? Since the deep desert part of the little prince quest involves him seemingly running towards eden quite a long distance despite it being comparatively close if you approach from the vault.

The distances don't seem to match up unless you're moving significantly forwards each time you ascend a floor in the vault like the map seems to suggest. Despite this, you only appear to be moving vertically during the climb.

[sharp lichen]

Ester moon has a lot to say about this.

I think it being leaning isn’t actually true, it’s actually a map distortion. Map distortion affects all maps (the result of trying to put a 3d world into a 2d map), but the distortion especially large with Sky since its diamond shaped

[mellow sleet]

The only guess I have that makes sense is you travel a significant distance when you go to the beginning of Eden from the vault.

[lusty merlin]

Maybe the area in vault we have access too is just a small fraction of what we see? There’s hidden tunnels shown with wise grandparent, so maybe the level we start at is at the very end of vault

Like the entrance to eden being the final exit to it

[naive stratus]

how do the teleportation gates in home even work? at first it was divided between people on whether or not home is a canon space, but now that it is- what did people do there? spirits are clearly drawn to that place at least, as travelling spirits seem to reside there after you find them. is it a hub perhaps? it would explain the portals, but land wise it’s inefficient. not to mention they still had the boats back then. They couldve been constructed after the lands were made ruin, but who wouldve made them? (srry to interrupt btw im just curious n i like seeing other ppls opinions )

[hushed steeple]

I do have a lot I could say.
But to spare you the lengthy details the entire map is inaccurate.
It should more closely resemble something of a question mark or maybe close to that.
However forest and wasteland are simply too hard to pinpoint their accuracy(the best way to map is based off of where Eden is in each area as well as relative location to other areas. Since Forest and wasteland are covered in clouds and the wasteland vortex could’ve taken us anywhere its extremely subjective.)

[mellow sleet]

Yeah, that's very much true. Also the race courses in valley don't curve enough to align with the map anyways.

[hushed steeple]

I will say, the Coliseum is one of the most accurately place areas on the map.

[mellow sleet]

I can definitely see that being the case

[keen shore]

The map seems like it was drawn by skykids as like a general reference of where the realms are, a lot of the details aren’t super accurate or are cheesed. Basically what you’d expect from kids making maps via eyeballing honestly

It’s very sweet and sometimes helpful but there are definitely many aspects to take with grains of salt

[hushed steeple]

YESSSS!!!!!
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED AND YOU CANT PROVE TO ME OTHERWISE CAUSE IT MAKES ME HAPPY!!!!!!/j

[sharp lichen]

I disagree, I think the map inaccuracies are a result of distortion+ not taking height into account

After all, it’s likely that the flying race is higher than the sliding race

And in general, the elevation goes up as the map goes up.

[sharp lichen]

There is something interesting here, with how gameplay and lore lines up.

In the game, the portals (except for Isle and Eden) only light up once you’ve completed that realm’s Elder. If you try to skip the Elder, you won’t get the portal.

My theory is that the by helping the Elders, they open the portals for us to return.

[sharp lichen]

In short: the map is stylized, but not completely fake

[naive stratus]

ohhh makes sense, but who laid the portals there in the first place? were they destroyed? sealed off? or created just on the spot?

[hushed steeple]

That is most certainly a result of distortion.
If it were it would be the right shape but stretched or compressed in certain ways.
It does not place prairie to the left of isle or the races to the left of the coliseum.

[sharp lichen]

We do see a portal to home in the final area in the Vault of Knowledge. Even if it may be just for gameplay convenience, we can still use it for the lore.

In the Runaway Aurora quest, we see the spirits coming from a spot south of Isle. I think this would be Home. With how Treasure Reef has flooded, I think the same happened to the Home island, as it used to be much bigger.

So, as the Ancestor society developed Home, creating outfit shrines, they also used Vault’s portals to allow for transportation throughout the kingdom.

However, it would not overpower the other forms of technology. Boats would still be better for transporting cargo or large groups of people

[sudden copper]

i have a question, if the spirits are already dead a long time ago, then how do we ( sky kids ) exist?

[sharp lichen]

In the Isle intro cutscene, it says “all are born from starlight”. A long time after the spirits died, we were sent by the stars.

[sudden copper]

oh

[sharp lichen]

In the official Sky map, the height smoothly goes up as the map goes north. It doesn’t really factor in elevation.

If you look at the Sky world on its side, it would look (very very roughly) like this.

On this attached image, the flying race is higher in elevation than the sliding race.

So, the flying race would be “north” on the official Sky map. If the Coliseum would be placed north of that, it would be inaccurate, since the Coliseum has a lower elevation than the flying race

[hushed steeple]

Yes, wasteland was not right between the two, but the in game map isn’t wrong due to distortion, it is just blatantly written wrong. Wasteland and starlight desert were likely more connected to Isle, wasteland especially being a bit closer towards isle. And since we don’t know where we go after valley we’ll just have to trust the map more for wasteland.

Now, another geographical feature I’ve noticed is that valley begins to slope down dramatically before the wasteland vortex with seemingly miles of space between valley and Eden. It’s possible Sky has a mountain range or that Valley and Eden make, well, a valley.
Cause, to be fair, Valley likely isn’t too much higher in elevation than forest, maybe a couple hundred feet higher at least.

[flint bolt]

Lorechat, why is it called Golden Wasteland when it's green?

[tall basin]

My theory is that it was golden, or at least was a big center for activity (arcs, boats and even war) before the storm, therefore it's 'golden' name!

I think that the clouds in the sky are what makes it that greenish tint, and that the Eden and the storm caused it all. Before the storm, I think there were no clouds

[flint bolt]

hm, L O R E

[nova meadow]

Golden wasteland kind of reminds me of going on road trips in the middle of nowhere, lots of farms and some desert, but mostly unpopulated. I wonder if it was like that- and the emptiness was an excuse to have a war there, because “no one was in the crossfire” when there were small populations that got harmed

[tall basin]

Y'know something I've thought about? Manta capes

How do they make them?

I've been wondering this for a while, and I came up with a silly, but in my opinion great, theory!
Since mantas are living beings that grow and change, I have a theory that they molt, and leave behind a layer of 'shell', kinda how stingrays shed and molt their shells every once in a while!

It makes me think that the skykids make capes out of those shells or something :]

[tall basin]

That's such a great theory-

But also, perhaps some apart of the golden wasteland was sea at some point? Due to the entire area of the Forgotten Arc, it makes me think that it may have been a lot like modern day deserts that were once great seas, and were dried out

Speaking of, does anyone have theories on that island in the forgotten arc area with the single lone krill?

[nova meadow]

It probably came from the Abyss area, maybe it preferred watery areas

[tall basin]

It's still so weird, like- It's the only krill in the entire area and there's absolutely nothing in that mountain it's guarding- No candles, no winged lights, no nothing. It makes me wonder where it came from

[hushed steeple]

.. each time i understand less and less whatever is going on in lore chat while backreading xd

[hushed steeple]

I will take credit for that!

[hushed steeple]

Cause it’s covered in moss and lichen.
A result of me bringing plants to an event!/j

[autumn zinc]

What is Yeti

[hushed steeple]

I dunno, nobody really understands them./j
All we know is they’re a hermit.
We don’t even know if they’re wearing fur or just have a lot of hair.

so they would be selling us their hair-

Yes….

On one hand, why would TGC even make such an outfit, besides, most of the arms are bare rock skin.
But on the other hand, we only see the red, yellow, and black cloth they tie around their waist hanging up in their house right above their bed……

[compact shale]

An ancestor who NEVER shaves /hj

[hushed steeple]

They say they’re still growing their hair out to this day!/j

[tall basin]

How much do you guys think skykids live?
And why didnt the spirits that we see reincarnate like the players do?

[dreamy saddle]

i mean i just did one of the little prince quests where you see the krill in the starlight desert so im sure they wander perhaps?

[hushed steeple]

Sky kids are effectively everlasting until proven otherwise.
And ancestors are different from sky kids, like how there used to be various different species of human(until the rest were all wiped out)sky kids and ancestors are different species of the same thing. So it’s probably normal for ancestors to not reincarnate and skykids do reincarnate because they were made for a specific job.

[dreamy saddle]

also this makes sense to me. in concept art at least it seems like each time a manta reaches eden, it undergoes a similar rebirth that skykids do, only in a form with more wings (sort of evolving i guess)

[hushed steeple]

It’s actually more likely that the sea level has risen rather than lowered.

[sharp lichen]

They’re probably immortal.

It’s probably because the spirit’s bodies are entirely dead.

[tall basin]

Oh?? how so? /genq

[hushed steeple]

They ascend, but do not seem to be reborn like sky kids.

[sharp lichen]

There’s evidence to prove that Treasure Reef was originally a mine that got flooded

(Also nice Morro pfp)

[tall basin]

I mean that makes sense, but what about the Forgotten Ark??

(And nice Milton Dyer pfp!)

[sharp lichen]

Forgotten Ark seems to be an island. Perhaps it used to be connected to the Wasteland proper by land, until it flooded and became ocean

[hushed steeple]

Its very prevalent in the treasure reef where there are ancestor structures deep beneath the waves and the murals depict rising sea levels. It can also be seen when comparing the switch trailer to the actual game, in the present sky there is no way to get from forest to the bottom of Isle, however that’s exactly what happens in the switch trailer, which only makes sense if there was more land to traverse.
Also, the water trial may elude to such a thing if you go with the theory that the trails are themselves prophecies.

Also, the ancestors rode around on flying boats before they died, so that boat could have been a flying boat!

[tall basin]

I think I accidentally deleted my message-

But that all makes sense!

[hushed steeple]

Yay, the new season has been announced!!!
(YESS A NEW MASSIVE AREA TO EXPLORE!!!! IM SO HAPPY!!!!!!!)

[sharp lichen]

We’ll have to wait and see for the lore

[tepid veldt]

going absolutely insane over prairie peaks i love the vibe

[sharp lichen]

your gift of prophecy has blessed us once again

Although it is funny how both Prairie seasons are about people from outside Prairie touring around

[hushed steeple]

I mean, that’s what it’s like being a child!

I wonder what the quests will be like!
I have a feeling they could be something similar to sanctuary and flight, but possibly with a bit of time to engage and bond with the spirits during these quests too!

[tepid veldt]

the drastically different lighting in these two photos makes me believe there could be an underground system/caves which would be amazing on top of the huge area

[hushed steeple]

Though the initial teaser for the season seemed to imply that the time of day changed constantly in the area, but that’s just an educated guess.

Who wants me to record a video of how I measure spirits using cbm?

Too late.

[tepid veldt]

ooh i didnt notice that! that would also be cool

[hushed steeple]

YO WHAT??!!?!!??
THIS GON BE LIKE ANIMAL CROSSING BUT WITH A FULL 360 VIEW!!!!
Now we’ll get to fully immerse ourselves into the game and see what it’s like to be a flying child!!!!!!!!!!!!

I’d be far more hyped for this season if they brought back having 6 spirits for it rather than just 4.

[hushed steeple]

g o o d

[hushed steeple]

Meet Whle and Krll!

[flint bolt]

cowboys are canon in sky -> #news

Thoughts?

[hushed steeple]

Being from the south myself there is nothing unusual about this.

[flint bolt]

mMmMmMmMm

y e s

[hushed steeple]

I must make fan art if these two.
Later, I’m doing something right now!

[sharp lichen]

If hats are canon, then good-looking hats can be as well

[hushed steeple]

OH MY LIGHT
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!

[sharp lichen]

I am a cowboy hat fan

Trust me I’m right

[hushed steeple]

I think lore chat should start speaking southern!/j

‘Em cowboy hats ain’t be no cheap thang but ‘em sure are good darn sight to see.

[keen shore]

I’m going to cry I completley forgot about this

[hushed steeple]

I always felt like it was very likely to be a big area.
Was that just me?

[stiff tangle]

Yo imagine facing a Krill in first person mode having to look up to find that a big flying shrimp is looking at you.

[hushed steeple]

[frigid tinsel]

I don’t think this is playable perspective change but rather just the camera prop’s capabilities

[hushed steeple]

Let’s say that hypothetically Sky had death messages like Minecraft, ok?

…..

…..

……….

Esther was krilled while taking touristy pictures of krill

[hushed steeple]

Yeah, I know.
That’s why I compared it to animal crossing.
(I forgot to turn off ping||Im sorry||)

I just remembered that in my early days of Sky I had an oc that was a photographer!!!

[inland cliff]

#beta-screenshots-videos message

[hushed steeple]

OH MY LIGHT!!!!!!💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

Ducks have followed me ever since I made that meme about the abyss ult mask looking like a duck face.

I recently got the actual rhythm duck mask and have been wearing it cause it looks cool.
Well I interacted with my friends today and my Sky kid has suddenly become a duck!!!!!
There is no escaping this!
No turning back!
Everything comes full circle!
Your life is pre-determined!!!!

[hot seal]

I have a question ⁉️⁉️⁉️
Is there any merch from thatsky shop that will give me free cape?

[sharp lichen]

No

[hot seal]

Ahw. I see.

[hushed steeple]

There are some pins sometimes, but they only give you temporary spells.

[harsh trellis]

why is golden wasteland golden when it's green :0..

[hushed steeple]

Everyone is so confused as to why and how my moss and lichen took over wasteland!
And, to be honest, I have no answers, I just wanted to bring plants to an event!!!/j

[harsh trellis]

why is it GOLDEEEN this been confusing me for a while

[hushed steeple]

I thought the 24k gold flakes would attract the plants./j

In all actuality, valley and wasteland were once one place called golden valley. Then wasteland got polluted so they called it golden wasteland!

[keen shore]

The name is a reference to what used to be there! As Esther said above

[harsh trellis]

:OooOoooOOOoo I was thinking that it was like valley of triumph i guess my gut was right

[hot seal]

Maybe bc of the moss?

[hushed steeple]

You know full well moss and lichen would be the first plants to figure out how to inhabit a place like wasteland!!!/j

[hot seal]

This was supposed to be my reply to TrexDino I misclicked sorry sorry

[hushed steeple]

Lol!!!

[hot seal]

i really love to have this umbrella

[sharp lichen]

Probably because the area used to be not green. It probably had multiple meanings, from the actual gold used, to the golden fields, to the golden state of the area

[grim horizon]

GUYS IM LISTENING TO THE LIGHT BEYOND AND IM HEARING SOME DEEP ADULT MATURE VOICES BEHIND AURORA'S AND IM JUST WONDERING IF THOSE WERE THE SPIRITS VOICES IM HEARING?

[pastel brook]

When the last tree in Hidden Forest has fallen and the rivers in Golden Wasteland are poisoned, you cannot eat darkstone oh no

[sharp lichen]

Wait, were you listening to the song on youtube or actually in the game??

(Also, there's another track called "The Cloud Messenger" that features a voice that sounds nothing like Aurora's and I don't think I've heard it?? Does it still exist?)

[hushed steeple]

I defy your logic!!!!

[grim horizon]

no, i was listening it on spotify
also yea i think the cloud messenger still exists

[hushed steeple]

THE CLOUD MESSENGER??!!?!!??!??
I am intrigued!

[sharp lichen]

I've noticed how similar this map and the official map is

[sharp lichen]

wait nvm, it does exist as a track in orbit, it's just rare in the actual game

[hushed steeple]

That one is more acceptable in my eyes.

[hushed steeple]

NOW IM EVEN MORE INTRIGUED!!!!!

[sharp lichen]

They're basically the same map and have similar "mistakes" (prairie left of Isle, Vault right of Eden, races left of Coliseum)

[hushed steeple]

Wait, you’re right!💀
I was focusing on the smart play with transitions and detailed placement I forgot to focus on relation to Eden!!!!

[sharp lichen]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[sharp lichen]

That's strange, I was listening to it on Youtube and there's nothing?? I'm confused

[grim horizon]

theres this song i found on spotify called side scroll
it sounds like a funky version of the sky constellation theme song

[hushed steeple]

Ah!!! I found it and this is the music for the Nintendo area!!!

[grim horizon]

oh
thats why ive never heard it before
im sad now its so funkyyyyy

[sharp lichen]

The map is good but it's really low quality, the only inconsistency is Hermit Valley and Home, everything else is accurate including top left Orbit and central Valley

[hushed steeple]

Where can The Island Above the Clouds be heard?

[grim horizon]

i'll have to look that one up

also, guys if the village of dreams is located right next to the coliseum how come we cant see it when we're about to finish the race, and all we see is endless clouds?

[hushed steeple]

Cause it came a while after that part of the level was designed and I guess TGC never thought to go back and change it.

[grim horizon]

well i hope they fix it in a future update

[harsh trellis]

I got back to this a bit late, but what I suddenly think of is that copper look gold at first then will turn green slowly, so I’m thinking of golden wasteland have anything to do with copper

[covert storm]

Huh I’ve been thinking and one of my theories is this :
Golden wasteland used to be a sanctuary that sheltered a lot of light creatures until something corrupted it which turned krills and crabs into dark creatures. The word “golden” could refer to alot of light since there were a lot of light creatures living there and there could’ve had a old name like golden sanctuary or smth so they kept the “golden” and since something corrupted “golden sanctuary” they changed the name into “golden wasteland”

[torn eagle]

Based on smth on the net from the devs themselves (7 days of sky)

It has been revealed that valley and golden wasteland used to be one collectively known as Golden Valley

You can see evidence in architecture and at homespace where in front of the portals is one path splitting into two

[strong edge]

Constellation in orbit matching stone plate thing at home and 3 am can’t think of any reason why

[hushed steeple]

I believe that the sky kids we save in Eden go up to make that constellation.
And the stone plate used to have two buttons, the one above that constellation was to access friends.
That’s all I know.

[native galleon]

why is it called golden? so glad you asked

I’ve made some updates :3

(all speculation/observation ofc, except the tweet itself)

[hushed steeple]

WAIT!
IVE GOT THE PERFECT ADDITION!!!!!

[hushed steeple]

HAHAHHH!!!!!!!

[compact shale]

ah yes, these weapons of mass destruction are very tall

[native galleon]

I think the sizes of those are exaggerated for dramatic effect, I just put them on the board bc the styles of them both look familiar…and both kinds of weapons are used by soldiers on both sides in memories

[hushed steeple]

I think they could have been intentionally placed as sort of graves for the fallen soldiers, a way to pay respect. They’re way too big for normal spirits, almost all of them are just sticking up out of the ground, and lots of them have flags.

[native galleon]

could be, but actual gravestones are very common in game as well
personally i’m leaning towards the large size being a more of a gameplay thing, to convey the emotions there and also to an extent to provide hiding places (in case that part at the end of the battlefield goes wrong)

[hushed steeple]

This is about using weapons for tombstones.
It’s usually temporary, but wasteland was still quite dangerous even after the war.
So they may not have been able to find permanent fixes in time due to need of recovery, and could have ended up forgetting.
Or maybe this was a traditional thing in Sky(though I don’t see it to be as likely simply due to The Kingdom of Sky likely having not been in almost any wars before.)
It could also be both tombstones and for gameplay.

[native galleon]

true!! that makes a lot of sense

[hushed steeple]

This just reminded me of when I had to give an improvised speech on why cemeteries are great for my public speaking class!!!!!
I think one of my points was free building materials!!!!
I swear it was purely comedic!!!
I would never do such a thing!!!!

Ok, but imagine building a hospital with those materials!!!/j

[sharp lichen]

It was apparently an old Light awaits track, probably for Aviary

[hushed steeple]

Oh!!!
I wonder if they’ll bring it back for project aviary!

[agile crane]

Ive seen a similar contrast and comparison in a poem where golden refers to the colour of decaying fruits, despite usually referring to great things ! I take it that way. It's also imo due to the obsession with the golden things they harvest over where the shipwreck is... there used to be a factory there, no?

[sharp lichen]

There was a factory in the first krill area, the shipwreck was probably a waste dumping spot for the factory

[hushed steeple]

A day in the life of an ancestor:

Wake up.

Find random junk or stuff laying around the house.

YEET IT IN THE OCEAN!!!

Sell all of the furniture in the house, but leave all the pots and jars.

Randomly place candles around the place, but don’t light them if they’re red!!!

Order 5 more shipments of dark stone just cuz.

Forget about the people stranded in Golden Wasteland…
Wait, what were we talking about?

Watch in shock and awe as the big glowy diamond turns red.

Get rekt!!!!

Those who don’t know the lore:

Those who do know the lore:

[harsh trellis]

I went read the lore and this is so true, it’s their fault that they got rekt and I think best of humanity will refer to the players since the ancestors didn’t do much good

[lusty merlin]

I mean I actually just think they did what they did because the elders allowed it. You don’t just build giant factories that mass pollute without getting authorization, you don’t just start a massive civil war with just rouge ancestors, especially when one of the elders is leading their troops into battle in a cutscene. And even then I genuinely think nobody knew how big the consequences would be until it’s too late to change or fix anything. You can’t just take electricity away from your people when your city has transitioned into revolving around it you know? I feel darks-tone was in a similar position.

I also think the reason there could be junk in the ocean could also be from the eden explosion from the shockwave we experience when a shard lands, wasteland is the 2nd closest to the mountain so it would definitely be strong enough to send stuff flying everywhere.

Not saying ancestors did nothing wrong, I just want to acknowledge the elders are there too, they’re the leaders above anyone, so they have the most responsibility and control of what happens. Again not saying one group are saints and the other isn’t, but it’s good to acknowledge ancestors are not to blame for everything because that’s the vibes and implications I’m getting from here

[hushed steeple]

Right, of course!
I wasn’t implying there was any one group that was bad and the other was good, everyone had a role to play in the downfall of the kingdom and the pollution of the ecosystem! And obviously it wasn’t done intentionally(I think.)
I simply sought to create an exaggerated piece of comedy!!!

[grand pewter]

So where do the skykids candles come from? We know they forge them but yet the candles just come out of nowhere and just descend from the sky.

[real portal]

Your ancestors........?

[earnest briar]

The Spirits are also known as Ancestors! It’s often used to refer to their species when they were alive.

[real portal]

I figured they just throw candles at us from the sky.

https://tenor.com/view/brick-throwing-throwing-brick-loonawra-gif-20021635

[hushed steeple]

I don’t even know if the candle and heart currency is canon to Sky.

[strong edge]

I remember when it had two buttons the good old days

[hushed steeple]

Ah yes, the good old days.
Most seasons still came with six spirits, krill glitches were still working, there was a quest giver for times in between seasons, and my old friends still played the game.

[white junco]

the candles are made of light, not wax. i think our skykids just shape the light to look like something they’re familiar with

[hushed steeple]

Oh! Like our candles!
The glowing oval on our chest becomes the candle!

[tall basin]

Ok but look at the SIZE of these spears and war leftovers-

Do you guys think perhaps skychildren the size of elders (or elders themselves) fought here? Or are these weapons just unnaturally huge for normal-sized kids?

[hushed steeple]

I don’t believe sky kids were around during the war.

[tall basin]

I'm not caught up on any of the lore, even if I'm a fan of it-

But it's just so cool to see these gigantic weapons y'know

[hushed steeple]

We were actually talking about them earlier.

[hushed steeple]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message
Right here actually!

[pastel brook]

Do light creatures get cold? 🤔

[hushed steeple]

No, I gave them sweaters!

[sharp lichen]

THE OUPPY RETURNSSS

[hushed steeple]

Wot. • _ •

[tepid veldt]

oh my god LOOK AT THEM

[covert hazel]

I understand that people want to fight the Krill but like. The reason you can't is the entire point of the whole story. The Krill are corrupted light creatures, so, you're not meant to fight them because that's not your job. Your job is to free the spirits. Punishing the Krill for what the sky people did is the exact thing you're supposed to be avoiding.

[tepid veldt]

OUPPY!!!!

[covert hazel]

BRO WHAT ARE THOSE- THEY. ARE SO CUTE.

[earnest briar]

THE BABIES

[hushed steeple]

MY SIBLINGS!!!/j
(I was born on earth day)

[tepid veldt]

you

[hushed steeple]

WAIT!!!
THIS IS WHERE THEY WENT AFTER WE HELPED THEM DURING DAYS OF NATURE!!!!!

[flint bolt]

cowboys are canon now

[hushed steeple]

Always have been.

[flint bolt]

yeehaw chuckle honks 🐮

[hushed steeple]

Sonny, what were you thinkin’!

[static zephyr]

What is even going on here?!

I think even the vault of knowledge elder would be confused if they read this chat

[hushed steeple]

I demand lore chat speak in a southern accent y’all!/j

[static zephyr]

Never

[hushed steeple]

Ya ain’t gon be happy then.

[static zephyr]

Can we just discussed lore like a normal chat?

[hushed steeple]

NO!!!!/j

... yes i give up on any hope of ever understandinf again what the is going on in lore chat when i backread 🫠

[static zephyr]

I swear to megabird what is happening to this chat?!

[hushed steeple]

Me.
That’s what.

[static zephyr]

Welp HONK it I give up.

[hushed steeple]

....... take me with you /jk

[static zephyr]

if you need me I’ll be heading to Eden proceeds to walk off

[hushed steeple]

Au revoir!!!!

[static zephyr]

Ok then I’m back from Eden and here is a kicker of a question
How powerful are the sky kids and more importantly are they aware that they are that powerful?

[sharp lichen]

As always, we shall consult these: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Tiering_System

[static zephyr]

Huh thanks for the link

Hm from their ability to alter reality in a small area (shared space’s) alone would give them a street level power alone

[sharp lichen]

I think the only categories that are relevant are speed, lifting strength, durability, intelligence, and stamina

[static zephyr]

And when they go into a pure light form they are almost indestructible (judging by how they destroy the darkness things in the fire trial alone)
Eden spoilers ||and not to mention how they destroy the massive boulders||

Oh so I spent the past 10 minutes typing this out for nothing oh well

[sharp lichen]

Running speed of about 10 MPH, flying speed of about 20 MPH, they can lift very little.

Skykids are incredibly durable in some situations but frail in others. They do not take damage from falling, similar to squirrels. They are also completely immune to fire. However, water is a major weakness, especially cold water.

Their intelligence is similar to an average child (debatable), and their stamina is variable. Depending on what their environment is, their stamina can be either near unlimited or extremely weak.

In summary, Skykids are incredibly powerful in many areas, but have some extremely exploitable weaknesses. They are also notably not attackers, and they can only defend, move away, or use tricky spells to face enemies

[strong edge]

That hit home too hard. When they didn’t realize the rate of new spirits to ts was too much. When I didn’t loose all of my wings. When the fly mode was to double tap and when the ice tunnel could hurt you. Rest in pieces of light my old friends.

[static zephyr]

True but only water polluted by darkness seems to affect them but they seem to be fine in other bodies of water (not including holding their breath) and it’s thought that’s the rain in the FF is polluted with something that the sky kids don’t mix well

And you make a good point and very impressive!

[sharp lichen]

The closest example I could give is Shedinja from Pokémon. There are some things that are completely harmless, but they can’t do much in return

[static zephyr]

I mean the sky kids have one of if not the most important jobs in the kingdom of sky

Saving all the spirits is a pretty important job don’t you think?

[sharp lichen]

Well yeah, Skykids have an important duty in-universe, but I was comparing the Skykid’s skills as compared to other characters

But I guess Skykids don’t really know how powerful they are. All they know are people like them, for the most part

[static zephyr]

So i guess they think they are normal compared to everyone else

Or if your a moth you think everyone is better then you XD

[hushed steeple]

interesting, the first conversation i understand while backreading

[hushed steeple]

That’s probably cause I wasn’t part of it lol!

[somber moss]

This is probably a commonly known thing, but I’ve been thinking about how the animation for when your skykid first lands into homespace is reused when you return from eden

I think about it this way:
When you first fall into home space, it’s at the beginning of the game when you are completely new and have no wings
When you fall into home space after eden, it’s after the “end” of the game (orbit) but if I recall theres text that appears when you first leave orbit saying something along the lines of how the journey truly starts

[native galleon]

it used to say "you are about to be reborn" but they made it more vague recently

[somber moss]

So the way the animation is reused there kinda just reminds me of the fact that the “end” is still just a new beginning, since thats when more stuff unlocks and you get access to buying wing buffs and stuff lol I just find it cool

[sharp lichen]

I guess with "AC will strengthen your cape in the next life", they found it redundant?

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, it's a fun callback, where the ending references the beginning

[leaden hornet]

The skids fit the role of a Psychopomp almost perfectly.

[static zephyr]

What’s a psychopomp?

[echo anchor]

It is a trope found in many mythologies where an entity helps carry the souls of the deceased to the afterlife life; ie skykids helping the spirits return to the stars and be reborn. That is the definition to the best of my memory😅

[harsh trellis]

Yes I agree, I forgor to put elders there, though I see in a lore that isle elder quit because he didn’t support the new idea, and since no one believed in the light (megabird) there is no one for him to travel to the megabird, and prairie people destroyed bells to stop attracting light creature (light creature are attracted and killed for light source) then prairie elder quit because there is no light creature migration for the elder to lead. I agree with everything you said there, just like us, we can’t just say we stop using plastic, and we really needed plastic for almost everything like sky people needed light. thank you for reminding me, I forgor elders were part of it

[lusty merlin]

Yaya your welcome. But is the idea that Isle and Prarie elder quitting a head-cannon, or a theory with things ingame that point to that being the case? Because it’s a little unclear, I can’t see them quitting since they’re still the leaders of their respective realms, that’s not a job you can just quit imo

Also you might be thinking of Valley capturing light creatures and being sent to wasteland diamond factories to be killed for light. Prairie just seems to capture butterflies and passive light without harming mantas seen with laughing light catcher, the bells could’ve been corroded from darkness, something which has shown to be attracted to light creatures like with butterflies and trapping mantas

[harsh trellis]

I see about elders quitting in a lore theory a long while ago, so I am not entirely sure if it is right, but the theories do give evidence of in game murals and other theories I do not remember , they are not like just quit the job, I feel like the quit is that they are not participating in capturing light creature but still leading their people, that’s for isle, prairie was because golden wasteland blocked creature from migrating, it’s not like the elder just quit, it’s like he don’t have anything to lead, of course he still was with his people at prairie living their lives. Sorry I made it unclear, shouldn’t have used quit , and yes I feel like valley is the big problem, prairie was completely fine, is just that bells are generally used everywhere to lead light creatures, of course mostly in prairie, they might break the bell in case other realm want to use them as lure, I am not sure of the bell one, just take it as a grain of sand , I am not a Veteran and I just read the lore and thought of it as interesting and like to believe sky have the history that way, there are obviously different theories, and I accept them, and I don’t explain things very well, but I just want to share what I know

[lusty merlin]

Ooh yeah I see! Yeah I just thought of quit as in quit in job sense, but I can get that perspective of not having much to lead, like feeling something is missing. The bell idea I really like too, like trying any attempt to divert mantas into realms that could capture them that’s something i can definitely see Prarie doing

[harsh trellis]

[harsh trellis]

Oh and yes, isle elder’s job was to lead people to the megabird, he was the boatman, but later they start killing light creature and weakening megabird, and disconnecting from megabird more and more then isle elder literally got no one to lead to megabird like prairie, they got nothing to lead now

[harsh trellis]

No wait, he lead them to Eden theeen they ascend to the megabird, ya. And mainly was leading light creature, and those got killed sooo

[lusty merlin]

Yeah I can there being a lot less creatures to lead because of that. Personally for me I think the killing the mantas would affect ancestors and elders more rather than megabird, if at all, who seems to be light itself from what I’m getting. I don’t think no matter the numbers of mantas hurt can be so much that it weaken’s megabird

But because of the harm it does and the seeming pollution from diamond factories from wasteland that’s why I think it would hurt them more, tipping the local ecosystems and the environment along with it

[static zephyr]

Hmm odd usually the lore Channel isn’t is active at this time lucky me

[lusty merlin]

Add on but megabird is massive in the ending credits cutscene, and when you look up in orbit, a literal planet is like a grain of sand when comparing for scale, which is why I don’t think the manta killings affected them that much

[static zephyr]

But here’s an interesting question

What event you can see they could’ve led to the gw became how it is today? I mean the fourth of knowledge seems perfectly fine and to be honest the fact that it’s literally a few feet away from Eden or the base of Eden it’s in surprisingly good condition

[harsh trellis]

My personally random theory of megabird: maybe megabird give those light creature and energy (give them life) then when they die, they ascend back to megabird, so that maybe is when they return the energy back to megabird, but if they got killed by people and not at Eden, megabird might not get the energy back, and yes it is MASSIVE, but maybe enough killing and maybe also the pollution will affect megabird

[lusty merlin]

I mean I think the battlefeild shown in wasteland, the aurora concert/seed of hope, and remembrance makes sence it was torn apart from the war, I feel the eden wipe just made everything 10x worse

[harsh trellis]

I’m thinking that the vault portal is just there maybe doesn’t mean it is where the realm is, my personal thinking is Eden is at the middle surrounded by realms

And also maybe because the fight and pollution happened at gw made it like that, and also the eden

[static zephyr]

Fair enough it’s also fair to say that the massive shock wave they probably came from eden when it first appear due to a massive amount of energy being released at once/created also might’ve probably disintegrated every single creature they’re turning them into statues or just poof out of existence

[lusty merlin]

Ah alrighty I can see how that would make sence in your interpretation of them. I have a different interpretation from yours for how they work, so that’s probably why I can’t see them being as affected

[harsh trellis]

Nah I just have random things going on in my brain and it is confusing me too