lore-discussion-spoilers

[royal badge]

Hello everyone sorry to barge in but does nyone still have the skycrit transcript? Gosh I feel like it's bee so long since I seen any new crit in game too lol

[sharp lichen]

By crit, do you mean candle route? Idk what else it could mean

[royal badge]

No, the writing haha. Like sky's alphabet

[sharp lichen]

There’s also another theme that plays for weak black shards, called “An Abrupt Premonition.” Given this and what we see in the Season of Shattering trailer, could Skykids have the power to see into the future, at least lorewise?

[keen shore]

I always interpreted it as a reference to us seeing the mountain explode and going Oh No, It’s Coming For Us, but I could be wrong

[sharp lichen]

Also, I believe “Two Heroes” refers to the Skykid and the Wasteland Elder.

[royal badge]

Now tht I think abt it, if u arent around during belonging -sanctuary, u might not be aware of skycrit/the system.. I think it cd be a bit of a veteran's thing?..

If anyone still has the transcript, please do send it here n ping me or DM me.. thank you!

[sharp lichen]

I’ve been here for exactly 3 years since June 2020, skycrit is not something I’m familiar with

[keen shore]

It sounds like a term I haven’t heard but my guess is it refers to the Sky writing from concept art that got deciphered

[sonic osprey]

skycrit is a language that can be found written somewhere in the jellyfish cave by the sanctuary island, its been a long time since i last played and im unsure if its still there but it definitely was when i last played

[keen shore]

? There is just a jellyfish mural there now
The mural that was there before was glitched assets from the cave of prophecies and doesn’t mean anything, it wasn’t a language

[sharp lichen]

There’s also a track that’s called “Lambent Light.” Although I don’t know where it is, I can safely assume due to the track order that it takes place somewhere in Vault.

Lambent means “a bright softness,” which imo describes Vault really well

[sharp lichen]

#screenshots-and-videos message

[keen shore]

IVE BEEN STRUGGLING WITH LAMBENT LIGHT TOO WHERE IS IT …

I tried once to find the location of all the soundtracks but the only method I could figure out how to do it gave me a massive headache after only 20 minutes so

[sharp lichen]

You can see the chopped off Dorito

[keen shore]

Yeah, that’s the glitched one I’m talking about. It just clips through the wall so you can only see the bottom, so it might look like a line if you don’t know

[shut kindle]

i have this :l

[royal badge]

Hmm alright thanks guys! I think I may hve gotten the transcript from reddit.. I'll try to scower there...

Thanks for the help! ♡

Edit: reddit is down rn I forgor.. oh wrll.. guess we'll wait or I just gotta search other forums

[shut kindle]

pls send it to me as well

[sharp lichen]

As far as I know there is no transcript, these are the bodies of the Elders you see in the Prophecy murals

[keen shore]

Here’s the full thing

[shut kindle]

daymm the drawings are new?

or i just didn't remember

[keen shore]

Here’s the mural the assets are from, it can be hard to see cause the picture is wonky — since this mural is so big — but you can see all the elements are there and jumbled up in the jellyfish cave.

[sonic osprey]

oh wow i never seen the other ones before, i've only seen the one above

[keen shore]

It looks like this now.

Considering the actual mural is jellyfish assets copypasted from somewhere else, it seems they just accidentally copypasted the wrong assets for a bit hence the glitched mural mentioned above that was here prior

It’s not a system of writing or anything, just a mistake.

[sharp lichen]

Here’s what I got for Sky Soundtrack Volume 2:

Elliptical is 8 player door

Threshold is Isle desert theme

Uncertain Joy is Prairie Social Space

A Bell Ringer: Prairie Village after a bell has been lit

Village of Air: Prairie village before any bells have been lit

The Walls: Sparkler Parent theme

Pottery Walk: Prairie Temple

Heavy Mist: Music that plays after the jellyfish rise in Forest

Light Fog:???? Sounds like a spirit theme

The Rain Reveals Everything: Forest bridges area before you light the jellyfish

Waves in Time: ???

Scattered Toys: Forest Temple theme

Ellipses: Valley Temple theme

In the Rain: ???

For Those About to Race: In the temple areas before the Flying/Sliding Races and Village Theater

Over the Mountains: Valley Citadel

The Vast Everything: ???, a spirit theme?

The Embrace of Sands: ???

The Emergence: ??? Maybe when the Krill first appears

Ashes: I think it’s the Battlefield

Passage of Times: First Krill area

Waves of Disquiet: Graveyard

Conduits of Fortune: ???

Quietude: ???

Lambent Light:???

Something Beyond: First Eden area

(SORRY FOR THE TEXT WALL)

[keen shore]

Mural textures in Sky are rendered slightly above the object they’d be painted on irl. When it comes to rock faces with dramatic geometry like the side of the Jellyfish Caves, if the mural isn’t carefully placed and especially if it was there by mistake, parts of it can clip into the rock, obscuring it.

There’s presumably more along the top that we couldn’t see because it clips into the rock, although it doesn’t really matter, as we can guess where it is anyways.

[sonic osprey]

i see, good to know

[keen shore]

I think conduits of fortune is the first wasteland refinery OR the crab fields, the vast everything is Sunset’s temple, a bell ringer plays when you light the bells, and threshold is the ‘main’ area of Isle that doesn’t really have a name

These could be wrong they’re just what my notes from a couple of months ago say; from what I can tell I think conduits of fortune was guesswork while the others were ones I found to be true from searching

I really hope embrace of sands is what plays when you fall through the cyclone because that would be quite funny

[hollow turtle]

uuuh nice! you should check sky wiki! they have tracked most of the themes! I even participate tracking some 🙂

[sharp lichen]

After visiting it, I can most definitely confirm the Valley Temple is Ellipses, it’s similar to The Vast Everything but not completely the same, you might have gotten them mixed up

[sharp lichen]

According to the Sky wiki, Conduits of Fortune is graveyard (probably plays when you enter it, while Waves of Disquiet is when you get spotted by a krill)

Quietude is the Wasteland Elder temple

Lambent Light was an old theme for Vault’s fourth floor

Ashes is the Crab Fields

The Vast Everything is the Battlefield

[crisp socket]

Noticed a bit of lore in the second performance quest for forgetful storyteller, did lorechat cover this?

[cold sparrow]

do you mean the story you have to tell for the show?
i remember someone in this chat made a flowchart with all of the possible parts of the story

[sharp lichen]

Here it is: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[keen shore]

I had no idea they had tracked so much!!! Thank you for letting me know, very grateful to the wiki folks who did so :+)

[crisp socket]

Well this explains a lot

[frigid tinsel]

The wiki says Lambent Light was the old theme for the Vault 4th floor, but I’m 99% certain it was reused for Sparkler Parent’s spirit memories

[untold notch]

is uncertain joy supposed to be here twice

[sharp lichen]

Sparkler Parent is most definitely The Walls, it’s the only spirit theme which is odd

[earnest briar]

Someday I want someone to make a Sky version/meme of ‘The only thing they fear is You’ from Doom but it’s Granny on her way to Eden to scold the Eden Diamond for putting shards right in front of her treehouse while she’s trying to serve dinner. Call it ‘The only thing Eden fears is Granny’.

[cold sparrow]

be the change you want to see in the world

[soft timber]

Become Granny

[dreamy saddle]

Vase lore. Discuss.

This is mainly a joke but man is it fun to look too deep into things and maybe the vase has a purpose

[nimble ingot]

The infamous vase from an old season quest.
To my recollection, either season of belonging, or light seekers.

[dreamy saddle]

Aaah so it wasn’t always there??

[nimble ingot]

It was, for at least 2 years...

[keen shore]

Legend says if you get close enough to this vase you can hear someone within muttering angrily about getting divorced and also about getting pushed off the top of the vault /ref for friends

[nimble ingot]

ah yes, the swear jar jokes and comic.

[untold notch]

I should blow you up

[wanton zenith]

is there anywhere that has all of the cave paintings together?

[lusty merlin]

Like from the prophecy cave or every single mural in the game?

[wanton zenith]

every single mural in the game

[lusty merlin]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FQgj2Ii1A9p1kSly9rehvZU-fPsKtGazuEGvE3Od-Bg mural master list in order by realm by Salem

[sharp lichen]

Here’s how I think seasonal spirits work:

-spirits do things in the past

-spirit dies

-the spirit is freed by us

-the now awakened spirit does things in the seasonal quests

I don’t think we go back in time for seasonal quests, since it appears to be taking place in the present world.

[nimble ingot]

Agreed.
As spirits, they may try to do things such as reliving tasks they did in life.
However, with certain things such as for example restore the forgotten ark, complete the performance play, or restore the wind paths. They need skykids to help make these changes permanent (note that it is arguable that skykids needs the ancestors spirits with these changes as well to make them permanent. As with any changes they would make on their own such as activating bridges, these changes are only temporary).

[sharp lichen]

The biggest piece of evidence is Performance, in which we see the spirits hanging out in the present, so the seasonal quests could just be an extended version of this

[nimble ingot]

Exactly.

With season of performance, I theorise that the group were planning for the play. But they were not able to set it up in life.
When the skykids came, their 'unfinished business' as spirits, or their wish was to complete the play.

Similarly, I like to think the other spirits that showed up for the play, it is unlikely they would be doing this in their former life if the performance group never got to do the play. Therefore, are supportive spirits who are interested to see what the skykids are up to with helping the performance group.

[dreamy saddle]

The wiki has a murals page tho it’s lacking some from various seasons I think

[keen shore]

The doc is more up to date just cause I didn’t have the resources to update the wiki on anything but mobile and that would be a terrifying undertaking

[dreamy saddle]

Another silly pointless thing- have we considered if the vault is actually white and gold instead of blue and black 🤔

[trim wren]

I actually have a picture of orange vault

Idk where it went though i think i deleted it

[sharp lichen]

Morning vault!!!

[frigid tinsel]

happy pride month

[wispy dust]

I would always be happy to work with you to get the new murals on the wiki ~

[keen shore]

Yeahhh!! I might actually take you up on that offer next week when I have more time! It also gives me a chance to brainstorm how to approach it :-)

[tepid veldt]

what a w crab whisperer slay

[pastel brook]

doesn't make any sense to me

[balmy spoke]

~~Boomer Bot ~~

[sturdy wyvern]

We don’t even know if you can feel any sort of attraction for anything other than peas

[high ivy]

can someone help me get the beta cape 🥹

[sturdy wyvern]

Wrong channel?

[native galleon]

#looking-for-group-live

[high ivy]

maybe i have no idea what i'm doing or what's going on LMAO

[sturdy wyvern]

I don’t think the beta cape is even present in live

[high ivy]

oh man yeah definitely oops okay!!! sorry!!! ❤️

[native galleon]

the office cape?? thats what i thought they meant

[sturdy wyvern]

There’s an invisible cape exclusive to beta that costs 999 hearts

[high ivy]

yeah 😭 listen i am so confused it's fine please

[sturdy wyvern]

Ah ok! Yeah you would want to go to #looking-for-group-live for the office cape

[high ivy]

okay thank you!! sorry LMAO have a good day 🧚‍♀️

[flint bolt]

Sky is a timeloop.

I will not provide an explanation goodbye-
🚪

[sharp lichen]

What bold words for you to say without any reason

[round parrot]

i suppose you could also say that everyday (irl) is a timeloop while you're at it

[flint bolt]

Also the diamond in Eden is a nuclear bomb-

[hushed steeple]

Sky if sky was a time loop:
-Every spirit must be relived each day
-Eden required each day or you don’t get to fly much for that day
-constantly recollecting winged light every day
-Emotes disappear after each day
-cosmetics disappear after each day
-Friends are no longer friends after each day
-no seasons, events, nor ts
-all daily quests are the same in the exact same realm everyday
-Realms lock after each day
-Currency disappears after each day

IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT TO BE SUBJECT TO FOR ETERNITY!!!!
/J

[flint bolt]

The home island doesn't count

[hushed steeple]

Then Sky isn’t a time loop!

[flint bolt]

But it iiiiisssss

[hushed steeple]

I’m sorry, I really am but it has been proven time and time again that it isn’t./lh

Now the nuclear bomb thing isn’t entirely wrong!

[sharp lichen]

I would compare the Eden Diamond more to a black hole

[sturdy wyvern]

Every day is relive pleading parent day

[flint bolt]

Wait, what year is Sky set in? Does the Kingdom of Sky even have a global calendar?

[round parrot]

...i don't wanna work out the logistics of the kingdom's calendar

[flint bolt]

THAT'S MY GOAL NOW

okay, first i need to figure out when the first humanoid creature leeched onto the earth and then go from there

[earnest briar]

Warden, you're just nitpicking at this point. Sky is not a timeloop, it's been disproven many many times. Besides, if Sky's a timeloop then explain how stuff like the Wind Paths boat that appears after you complete Flight's second quest can happen. If it really was a timeloop, that quest would have to be completed over and over again to fix it. But it stays permanently.

[sharp lichen]

I think that due to the Eden Diamond, time is distorted around the realms, but it's not an actual loop

[keen shore]

Timeloop Sky where you have to Clean the Sanctuary Vortex everyday for eternity

[sterile orchid]

no 3 weeks was enough

[untold notch]

I'd quit

[pastel brook]

i was dreaming of this!

[balmy spoke]

skybot, how could you!?

[viral bay]

Shush skybot

[balmy spoke]

Can we get mods involved? I think skybot is being abusive

[untold notch]

I'm not gonna pretend I've been nice to you but c'mon man

[tepid veldt]

report skybot

[queen pike]

oh no you didn't...

[nimble ingot]

The bot has weird dreams about the sanctuary islands.

[south depot]

watching aurora concert from a lore perspective instead of a “hehe music yay” perspective,, bawling

[nimble ingot]

Agreed

[lost pecan]

This may just be a silly question but. Has anyone ever asked just what this thing in Stormlock is?
Granted, we do know that it's the Guiding Light, but. What exactly spawned it into the world? Why does it just float in Stormlock? Just makes me think I suppose

[sharp lichen]

Wait, what? I've never seen a floating yellowish white thing, only the floating blue things

[lost pecan]

Yeah! It's up in the sky in stormlock.

Sometimes you can see the solar flare on the edge of your screen.

[sharp lichen]

It could be the "sun" thing we see when we enter Orbit?

[pastel brook]

wh

i love fish

[nimble ingot]

I take it as the Light that we have seen throughout our journey though the realms.
Some may assume it would be the light of the Diamond, however with how it shines above the diamond when we are in Eden. It may not be the case.

It is unlikely for it to be a bug as the devs have to placed it there intentionally. They are able to create areas in the without this light present. And its location serves as a beacon for skykids to make their way towards.

The reason why I suspect this to be the castle in the sky when we ascend is when we fly past it, you can see a fain silouhette of its light around it. It is above the elders' thrones, which is similar to the mural of the diamond and its Light above the elder(s) in Eden.

However, it is also possible that this Light is on the move, as we can see it above us still as we fly past the castle.
I wonder if this is something the Aurora concert was also trying to tell us?

What if there was once a mass of light that would travel across the realms, and light creatures would follow it. Similar to how us skykids have done in the concert scenes as various creatures.
And if so, I wonder it this is what the ancestors did wrong. They took too much light away and there was not enough to ascend. That in turn broke the old Light cycle, and caused the stars to fall.

If this theory has some validity, it would therefore connect the balls of light to the children of the Light.
Both are entities that we are not certain that they actually exist in a setting, and when we collect their light, their forms dissapate and leaves behind a starry silouhette.

[pastel brook]

-does a big think-

[nimble ingot]

oh hush bot

[pastel brook]

-AI brain explodes-

[nimble ingot]

Exploring this thought some more.
The light seekers were collecting light, which is what some ancestors were doing as well based on the laughing spirit's memories. As well as with evidence of light catching in other areas that have firework staffs.

With the recent collab of seasons of Enchantment and Lightseekers, I wonder if this is a lore hint that these ancestors once worked together to help bring the light to Eden.
But their efforts were thwarted by the storm, dark dragons, or even the war.

[sharp lichen]

You do nothing but consume and destroy, and you will be destroyed in return. I await your demise

[sterile orchid]

i got swept up into that bug where you visit The Void (stuck in the clouds thousands of miles above the map, as a light) and you can see it at certain angles there too, and i've been lucky enough to find spots where i can see through the clouds, and it looks like it's coming from high above the diamond, kind of where the light beam ends? at that high up, where i can barely see the map, anyway.

i've just assumed it's showing that there's an area even higher above eden than the clouds - one much brighter than everything else at the moment

[keen shore]

It’s probably visual glitches on my end (not yours) so I’ve never seen this before; just from being able to see it a bit better than me, do you think it’s the same thing that’s shining in these videos?

[nimble ingot]

This scene feels eerily reminiscent to the Eden mural, sin the Eden Elder, hundres of praying ancestors on the mountain and the light streams coming from the massive diamond.

coincidently matches the 3 core colours in Sky.
Red = Eden Elder / Diamond
Yellow = The Light
Blue = Ancestors.

[sterile orchid]

...what does?

[nimble ingot]

let me find the image

This one.

the light, the ruins at the top of the mountain and the knowledge of the Diamond being up there.

[hushed steeple]

I would argue another core color of Sky is orange which is furthered by this concept art I found.

[nimble ingot]

Orange and Yellow are similar.

You are right to the specific.

[hushed steeple]

If only the ancestors had that piece of concept art. They’d have been sure to stay away from dark stone!/j

[keen shore]

Also, sorry to bother you again, would you say it’s directly over where the diamond is or in a different location?

[nimble ingot]

Am not quite following what you mean.
Is it the information chart that shows how dark stone is on the danger side of the spectrum?
This is more so cattered to skykids (the players). It may be different to ancestors when interacting with darkstone (either a lesser or worse reaction though tbh)

[keen shore]

I have been obsessed with these two videos and their implications recently and am genuinely on the verge of going to Eden myself tonight to see if there’s anything more

[nimble ingot]

There may be, if you have not been since the update to Eden.

Wishing you the best of luck and a good run. 👍

[keen shore]

I have been a few times but it’s the kind of thing I’d totally miss somewhere as chaotic as Eden if I wasn’t looking for it

[nimble ingot]

Fair point.

[rare night]

Can we talk about this guy for a sec? I know its just a part of the map and possibly useless but how did blud end up like that

[nimble ingot]

Ah that fella has some nice history 🙂

That is in fact an older model of the ancestors during development in Light Awaits (fainting warrior if I am not mistaken, though this model can be seen used for other buff ancestors in old play through videos).
At some point between updates, the model was repurposed to this spot with the catapult.
Along with a shrunken down manta shrine that holds the white candles to repair catapult for skykids.
I like to see this as a nice Easter egg reference to Light Awaits.

Also, this figure is notably a blade warrior. As you can see in the image.
This may have been a soldier from the diamond army that was storming the temple.
For whatever reason, this ancestor is a petrified statue that was either paying respects to the manta shrine, or praying. In either case, they seemingly were not expecting to be turned to stone in that moment.

It is arguable that this is the only place where we can find remains of the battlefield soldiers.
Which is very interesting given the battlefield lacks remains (other than the weapons).
Suppose that they were either left out due to performance/memory issues to render that many bodies. Or the sight of that many remains would be too scary/overwhelming for younger players, or a different reason entirely by the devs.

We do know that there was a battle and there were casualties, from the season of Aurora concert and quests.
Especially the concert that most likely showcases the models of fallen ancestors/light creatures that would have theoretically been in the battlefield.

[low grove]

That concert brought me to tears i loved it

[rare night]

Really interesting, maybe they were wishing someone luck? Because the catapult is nearby, so maybe right after that moment they've turned into stone without knowing it?

[nimble ingot]

Perhaps, when I think about it.
I would imagine that the ancestor may have been unfortunate upon being petrified by something.
Hypothetically from a laser beam attack, or a flash of light of a similar power than that of the Eden crystal.

There has been concept art that showed the turrets on the temple were once considered to be able to attack light creatures (skykids included).
Where they can either drain your light, or have some other effect (such as petrification), as we have seen happen to the elders in the Shattering memory, as well as the Little Prince in Eden.

[untold notch]

that may be a statue? I really hope it's not a spirit that would be awkward 🕴️

[sharp lichen]

I found an interesting tidbit with the Passage Guide

For most spirits, like seasonal guides, you wave when you to interact with them. However, when you interact with the Passage Guide, you bow; possibly to show respect to your teacher?

[nimble ingot]

ooh, that is cool!

[earnest briar]

Oh I call them Jerold. I like to think they're an experimental automaton meant to fight in battle and was intended to man/guard the catapult. Then everything went sideways so now they just chill there and maintain the catapult so thrill-seeking skiddos can have fun Krill dodging.

[nimble ingot]

We did do the quests with the other ancestor teens.
It would make sense the spirit would recognise you (as the skykid) as a student. And respectful of the skykid to show respect in return

[lost pecan]

No bother at all! It seems like it's directly in the middle of the map hovering above, if not completely center it is in that general area.

[keen shore]

Thank you so much! So not exactly on top of the diamond but in the middle of the map generally?

[lost pecan]

Yep! It's way up in the sky though, probably not reachable unless you piggyback at the right time(and even then I'm not sure since I haven't tried)

Though it does make me think because once we reach Eden itself, we no longer see the Light symbol when we Call. We also can't see this light above where Stormlock should be, so.....coincidence? Maybe?
Then again we also can't see the symbol attached to the Light above either when in Stormlock, but that could be because it's no longer guiding us; we're already where we're meant to be.

[untold notch]

(a side note, but I find it neat that the diamond was implied to be in an enclosed space but the explosion was powerful enough to make it open to the sky)

[lost pecan]

Oh definitely. I think it was probably stored somewhere in the castle where it could be easily accessible for maintenance/anything else needed and when everything happened....it kinda just went boom and took everything with it.

Either that, or it had it's own special building? The statues that you see when you're about to go into the castle, right when you come up from the clouds? There's broken versions of those in Stormlock.

[keen shore]

I can’t tell for sure but I always got the feeling in was in a massive cave, although whether the rock face had stuff built to cover it up is uncertain (considering how big the explosion is, it’s not like we’d be able to know now)

[untold notch]

I think those are from Vault, they're seen at the summit and in the elder cutscene, and I believe it's shown somewhere (isle?) that vault was built on the mountain Eden is built on

[lost pecan]

I think the Vault is in the mountain, personally. Since it seems like the Wasteland Temple is right up against the mountain and the Vault is mostly just one large enclosed space until you get to the top and you're almost at the top of the mountain.

[nimble ingot]

you are correct.
The vault is build inside the mountian.
We enter it from wasteland, at the base. Then make our way up the floors to the top, where it opens up at a higher point in the mountain.

[lusty merlin]

Yaya i also think that! And vault’s tend to be underground in general so it makes sence

[untold notch]

I was wrong about the isle mural btw it says nothing of the sort

[nimble ingot]

Astral, it is possible that an older version of the dawn mural showed vault under eden, which would imply it is in the mountian.

there is also the prophecy mural in Dawn that supports your theory.

I'll be off in any case.
I shall not haunt the lorechat for the next few hours.

[queen pike]

thank the light...

[solid rain]

Hi, I was wondering if can i ask questions here or is it mainly for discussion?

[sterile orchid]

most of the lore discussion starts with a question

[solid rain]

kk my question is, Does the world depicted in the game "Sky" does have a modern civilization like our modern civilization?

Sorry I'm a new player

[untold notch]

i would say i don't think so, at least not in the way we as humans have modern civilizations

[keen shore]

They had technology that is roughly equivalent to, if not better than ours in some cases, but it’s kind of like comparing apples to oranges

The way the ancestors achieved the majority of the technological advances they did was by using a material known as darkstone which there is only loose equivalents for for humans; basically, imagine if batteries were much easier to create and find so all the ‘modern’ tech that relies on them developed at a much speedier pace and you get Sky

[solid rain]

I saw some concept art from Tom Zhao that have buildings innit and streetlamp, also a garbage can and bus stop? Is that canon?

[untold notch]

well i sure haven't seen them anywhere so i doubt it

[sterile orchid]

some of the concept art included Earth as part of the worldbuilding i think? but that's obviously not canon anymore since we see none of it in game

[solid rain]

So that means the office in the game as a secret area wasn't a canon either?

I think I'm just thinking too much

[untold notch]

office is most likely not canon, yes, although it is a fun little easter egg

[sterile orchid]

thinking too much can be fun!

[solid rain]

So where does the darkstone came from?

[frigid tinsel]

the ground

[sharp lichen]

A raw material mined from the ground that is refined into power diamonds, which open doors and do other stuff

[solid rain]

Uhh can I drop my theory here? Is it allowed to tell something that is completely different from what have been discussed before?

[untold notch]

go for it!

[solid rain]

Hold on lemme just collect my thoughts, sorry for bothering

[untold notch]

it's not a bother at all! the point of this channel is to discuss, after all, and what discussion doesn't have different facets

[solid rain]

Yoo I'm back, it took a while but I think I created the most unhinged short story theory. Can I still post it here?.

[solid rain]

It's just a theory

What if? "Sky people are people from the modern world?" PART 1

The story begins when people from present-day Earth stumble upon something incredibly powerful, the dark stones, which should have never been found. This leads to fierce battles where they fight to the death. Fast forward, as time passes thousand of years, human civilization reverts back to an ancient era, with some architectural structures resembling those of the past. Some knowledge from the old world is preserved, like the colosseum, catapults, and the use of pipes, etc. The only modern equipment that remains intact is locked away in a vault (THE OFFICE) which few selects are only allowed inside. Unfortunately, the people have lost the know-how of the modern civilization, just like what happened in "Dr. Stone" if you're familiar with it. They couldn't re create all the modern era, hence they use candles, lamps, torches, etc..

Question; Why do we don't see some traces of modern civilization in sky world?

"I believe that they hide it using "clouds" as seen in the pictures in cave of prophecy where they use stars to power a device which create clouds that envelope all the realms"

In the aftermath of the battles, only a few people manage to survive while many others perish. Interestingly, the souls of those who died give rise to a remarkable entity known as the "Megabirb." This extraordinary creature sustains itself by consuming human experiences. As part of its existence, the Megabirb expels empty souls made of light, known as Light Winged, which are a byproduct of its feeding process. In order to be alive he creates people to create him, causing a temporal causality loop. Now, as the Megabirb's representative, it becomes your (sky kids) responsibility to carry out its tasks. However, before delving into that, it's important to note that human beings still exist, as evidenced by the spirits we encounter and relive later on.

PART 2

Following the regression into an ancient civilization, significant changes occur in the hierarchical structure, particularly with the introduction of a prince. This prince acts as a representative of the Megabirb and bestows powers upon individuals to carry out its commands. Additionally, the Megabirb creates evolved versions of animals from the modern Earth, such as whales and manta rays, based on human experiences to create new experiences (new experiences, new flavors). These creatures possess new attributes and characteristics. And To facilitate governance, the prince appoints six board members, known as Ancient Elders, in each realm. The primary role of these elders is to enhance and supervise their respective domains. As a result of these developments, people construct temples and kingdoms to worship the radiant Megabirb. This is why the phrase "All life is breath by starlight" was mentioned earlier, as individuals aspire to become like stars themselves.

As time progresses, the prince grows bored due to his inability to play Sky: Children of the Light. Seeking adventure, he decides to explore the Forbidden Hidden Forest, a place where creatures find their final rest in the Boneyard. To his surprise, he discovers a cache of Dark Stones within the forest. This explains the presence of numerous boats with containers in the walls beneath the bridge in the first Gate of the Hidden Forest, as they are used to transport these Dark Stones. However, raw Dark Stones themselves are relatively useless, much like raw diamonds. To overcome this limitation, a massive forging machine, resembling a temple, is constructed within the Hidden Forest. This machine transforms Dark Stones into "Artificial Stars," which are vibrant blue gems. As a token of appreciation, the prince rewards the elder ancestors with these special gems.

Hello? Am I bugging I can't post the part 3

Here's the full version, I can't post the other parts, if you guys are interested.

[solid rain]

https://tenor.com/view/sweating-nervous-wreck-gif-24688521

[hushed steeple]

I have been saying this exact thing all the time😂

[hushed steeple]

Well here's the thing about that

In some of the earlyeat versions of the story, sky kids were in a way the souls of humans.
The kingdom of sky was LITERALLY in the clouds, and Im guessing it was something of a pergatory type thing

The world of sky was probably somewhat dream like, with mixes of modern human things and fantastic anchant archetecture all around.

You make your way through the world, passing many trails and obsticles along the way, and eventually go to megabird where your reincarnate back into a human

This obviacely didnt last, and even in the early stages of concept art sky become a fully functioning world of its own rather then a purely alegorical place.

This is what all later versions of the story are based off

[fallen root]

🕊 HI LORECHAT

[hushed steeple]

Hallo☺️

[solid rain]

So, I was kinda right, no?

[hushed steeple]

From a curtain point of view😅
Though all of it is non canon by this point🤣
Sooooo.....

[solid rain]

Ehh, I'm more confused now

[hushed steeple]

The whole sky and human world is a idea that was abamdoned in the really old phases of the story developmant

Its an old idea TGS were tinkering with before and programing or things were set in stone

[solid rain]

Why thou? Isn't spirit that was scattered all over the realms was human, and all the architectures and shrines are human made?

[hushed steeple]

Not really😅
They developed independantly from humans, build by the anchant people who lived in sky before the comeing of the sky kids

All that is left of them are spirits now

[solid rain]

Yes that's what I was saying

I was talking about the history of humans before the sky kids arrive up until the sky kids were finally born

[hushed steeple]

But again, there not HUMANS.
This is a fantasy history that has nothing to do with our earth

[sterile orchid]

they're just called "ancestors" (when not referred to as Spirits) and clearly meant to represent humans in some form, but that does not mean they are human.

[earnest briar]

Think of Ancestors as like elves from fantasy. They look mostly human, but they aren't actually human.

[solid rain]

My question is. Is there a story that is the origin of the sky world?

[earnest briar]

Except for a few tidbits we've got basically no idea.

[hushed steeple]

This is what the game explicitly tells us

[solid rain]

Yeah this story is what my theory before the rumbling happens

Before all the humans died and their spirits got trapped

[hushed steeple]

I really dont know what to tell you man😅
I know the basis for your whole lore view is that sky is our human world morfed in the future
And its an awsome theory and I am quite inptessed with how you had it flashed out☺️

[solid rain]

I don't know what to tell man, I got two braincells left and I'm investing it fantasizing about where it all started 🤣

[hushed steeple]

-But its not what the game shows
-Its not what anything but the very oldest and long retconed concept art inplys
-Its not the story that TGS would plan any future seasons or lore reveals
-Its not how 90% + of the comunity interprets the world

Im feal really bad for knicking your personal head cannon, since its a really fun interpretation
But if you wanna keep inplaying this for all the other lore discusions with people, your gonna have a bad time😅😅😅

[scenic crag]

[solid rain]

It's kinda interesting thou, the game revolves around relieving memories of the past yet the past hasn't been fully answered yet, or why we don't see any living organism beside sky kids.

[hushed steeple]

No living.....
Do you not count jellyfush,manta, whales, turtles, birds, sea start, fiah, eels........

[solid rain]

It's bugging me why, every week we still collecting Winged light just to give it back to papa birb, or even how does the Eden form

[solid rain]

But they're all made of light same as sky kids, no?

[hushed steeple]

So
That what life is in this world

And even then, there not all just light constructs
They have phisical bodys, its just that there souls and big chunk of them is light

[solid rain]

Kinda fun tbh I'm learning, Sorry I don't know lore of the game, I just played 2 weeks ago that why my thoughts goes everywhere 😅

[hushed steeple]

👀👀👀👀👀

[solid rain]

Only if they died in unnatural deaths otherwise they disintegrate as light

[hushed steeple]

I am so sorry😖😖😖😖
Pleese forgive me

[solid rain]

No please, don't be sorry, in a way I'm learning because of this

[hushed steeple]

Or the phisical parts break down quickly, turn back into the earth

There should be a concept art about this somewhere....let me find it

[solid rain]

So what people are trying to unveil in this game?

I don't understand, if the hints are scattered all over, what was the lore?

https://tenor.com/view/hunt-nelson-simpsons-gif-6237237

[hushed steeple]

Yeah.............I dont know what to tell you man😅

[solid rain]

😭

[hushed steeple]

This is not something you can figure out all in one in just a week or 2

I have been playing this for over 3 years

[solid rain]

That's why I'm asking my head hurts 🤣

[hushed steeple]

TGS very much wants to have this be an experiance of discovery for players, to come to the conclusion ourselfs

But we are all nerds who have gonna passed multiple interpretations and are homeing in on the comman denominators and truest true of the lore😅😅😅😅😅😅

[solid rain]

Yeah what are you guys aiming for exactly? Do you have any general lores that is acceptable by this community?

[sterile orchid]

i suggest that if you're tired or have a headache, you should consider taking a step back from chat and/or going to bed. lore chat isn't going anywhere, and more people will be active to bounce ideas off of later

[hushed steeple]

I guess I can give you a super basic overview of sky history

[solid rain]

Can you tell please? If you don't mind

[hushed steeple]

-Basicly you have "The Light", also called megabird in old cincept art that is the sorce of all light

[solid rain]

Starlight right?

[hushed steeple]

Yup
This is not so much a god or a being, but it has somerhing of a will, and its a huge colection of light

Light is energy that is found in all thing, and its also the basis for life and for the souls of living beings
It is also what stars are made of, and the souls of sky kids, and posebly the ancesters are stars that come to earth and incarnate into phicical bodies

In the purest form with no phisical components, stars on earth are the "children of light", what we call light wings, and what in old beta was called stara

[solid rain]

Yes, I got that part.

Now the fun part was, where did it came from? And why does it create life. 🤣

[hushed steeple]

well from megabird of course

[solid rain]

And does the children of the light exist when the ancestors are still Alive?

[solid rain]

No, no I meant the Megabirb, it's looks like just a core pulling a massive amount of Light, can we see it in a game?

Tell me if I should stop asking, I tend to bombard questions when I'm curious and don't have social cues

[hushed steeple]

Not in the way we see them now, but I think they did
We do have a memory in Isle of down that shows the first child of light comeing to earth.
This likely happened in the oldest eras of the world

[solid rain]

Now that's interesting

[hushed steeple]

Hold up, Im looking for more pics

[solid rain]

Do be entering like jesus

[hushed steeple]

More like a shooting star

[solid rain]

Does it cross to y'all mind that maybe, it came from another realms outside the sky world

[hushed steeple]

Maby this might help help you understand

[solid rain]

I meant like isekai, maybe papa birb pull out something from another universe 😅

[solid rain]

The origin of papa birb and his child are deliberately left ambiguous and open to interpretation

[solid rain]

Which now for my next question, does the first child played a major role in extinction of the ancestors

[solid rain]

This was I'm taking, it's papa birb

[hushed steeple]

One moment pleese, gonna finish sending stuff

All of orbit is bird papa
It is a being as well as a place
We come down to earth, live our lives, go back up, and reincarnate in new life

Now remember that our souls are stars.
So there are probably millions of souls that are teaped on earth that we are rescuing
Most of them become stars again to rest, but we are choosing to continue reincarnating in order to save more souls and help heal the planet

[hushed steeple]

Actually, it kinda does😅
Its hard to tell with the lore changes, but in preaty much ALL the concect art up to the original open beta, the anchant empire of sky had a king, and he probably started out as the first child of light that I showed you before

I did a whole lore explanation a few days ago just about that ( might need to look through backlog to find it)

So this is where the thread starts

[solid rain]

Or the first king was the first child by papa orbit?

[hushed steeple]

Posibly

He deffinetivly come after the creation of the ancester race, who were also chacole bodied sentiant being of light like sky kids, just made different

I think this might be enough lore for now😅

[solid rain]

Ye, thank you so much for explaining

I kinda might start my own investigation relieving all the spirits and going to secret spot to take notes too

[hushed steeple]

Good on you

Also, if you like, I've taken picks of all the lore relevant spirit memories ( still working on the seasonal ones though😅)

I can shere them on your personal discord if you want

Though not right now
Gonna be super busy and this took way longer then I expected😅

[solid rain]

Yes, please if that's ok with you and only if you have free time please. I don't want to be too much of a bother 😅

One last question thou, does the TGS say about if some other of their previous titles are connected to the sky lore?

Some of their other previous*

[hushed steeple]

In universe.......no
But sky is a spiritual sucessor to Journey (they even had journey cosmetics for the very first beta testers and those that pre-ordered sky on the playstation release)
The game are not linked in the sence that boath take place in the same universe, but the themes, ideas, game design, philosophy and general feel is taken streight from that game

[viral bay]

I stumbled upon this document a while ago and it seems like the theory of the king being the first skykid might be disproven

https://docs.google.com/document/d/10ZWJRGiJSrIXgDvJ4pST61moZbVB_hBExUjOaF-pmOE/mobilebasic

What do you guys think?

Not that I'm against that theory, i actually support it. But rather this document made me question my headcanon and wonder what it's missing

[cold sparrow]

I'm just skimming over the document, but what part exactly disproves that theory?

[viral bay]

« The elders were elders from the beginning, and children of light will not grow up to be elders. Children of light are of new generation »

Ahh wait i might have thought of Eden elder as the same species as the other elders at the time so that's why I remembered the sentence as "skykids don't become the eden elder" lol

Apologies
that theory is still valid then

[nimble ingot]

you are ok to question things.
The idea of a discussion is to question things. It does not have to include ultimatums such as 'this is wrong' and 'this is right'.

skykid here said that it seems like a theory could be disproven.

Sorry for not reading the doc over at the time you posted. I'll have a read over and share my thoughts.

Elders, ancestors and skykids are separate characters or 'species'.
May I ask what your headcanon was about related to the theory?

ah ok, I recognise this document.
To start, it is an old one and likely outdated for various reasons.
1- the source of these quotes are not properly sourced, and their sources are sadly not accessible anymore (some of the live streams by TGC were lost, and with it the source to support the statements of these quotes.)
2- The game has undergone some changes and therefore may affect some facts in the document. (Instead of X, it is now Y. Ex. Instead of Stars, we now have Winged Light).

Despite these drawbacks, there are parts in the document that are salvageable as they are related to various other thoeries that held solid over the years.
So it is not a total loss and thus an excellent topic to revisit. Especially when we have older theorists working with newer ones. There may be something new to uncover with the updates, as well as possibly discovering something when we look at this with fresh eyes. As well as having theorists who are familiar with these older theories can help guide the converstation past any pitfalls of dead ends.

[viral bay]

Well i think that the child of light in the isle spirit memories is the first skykid, aka the future prince/King after passing the trials, aka the one responsible for the downfall of the ancestors.

This has been mentioned in the past but i also agree with the theory that winged lights are remnants, parts, memories of the King after being shattered (pun intended) apart by the corruption/explosion of the Eden diamond.

After that i also think that seeing how the King brought together the kingdom before the downfall, the Light/megabird made a new generation of skykids that are "genetically" slightly engineered, a species that are unable to do harm to the kingdom, that only serves purpose of reconnecting the cycle of light, and not disrupt it.

And yes, ancestors, elders, the King, skykids would be separate species in this theory (w skykid and the king being closely related).

Ancestors probably existed for the longest, then the elders are descended stars that are worshiped by ancestors, then the king came, and then skykids.

[nimble ingot]

I see.
It may be a good idea if you wish to look more into this theory with the skykid that fell in the ushering stargazer's memory, to look at the performance script by the forgetful storyteller from season of performance.

When you do the quest, you gives you choices on who the story goes. During the season, theorists here were diligent and determined to see what all the options were. There is an image here somewhere that shows you all the different narratives of the story.
Depending on the path you took, the outcome of the story would vary from a star falling and shattering, a star falling and a skykid is born, a skykid was found by ancestors and taken in, a skykid was found by an elder and taken into the temple, or even a skykid wandered into the caves of prophecies (which may be the supposed 'chosen one' from another theory that would be related to the theory of the prince of Sky (or the young King of Sky) being a skykid).
The meaning and implications of these scripts are a bit vauge, though this may be intentional for theorists to make these connections on their own when connecting the lore of the season to the lore in general (as well as leaving it open to interpretations for fanon theories).

It is uncertain if skykids were capable of growing up, though with what we have seen (such as performance, prophecy, passage, aurora and the dawn memory of the ushering stargazer).
One can argue that the ancestors have known skykids in life, their children had played with skykids at some point (suggesting they are different and not just a child of an ancestor per say), and thus far are unsure on what the ancestors have done with the skykids.
Other than a vague implication that they were taken to Eden, based on the memory of the running wayfarer from aurora in Dawn, and the fallen skykids statues found in Eden.

Hope this helps.

[viral bay]

Wow I've never thought about the story told by the Performance quests!! Thank you for the clue

[nimble ingot]

no worries.
Here is the performance script.
Credit to the infographic team.

[sharp lichen]

The earliest we have is the opening cutscenes, but for the world itself? We have no idea

[sharp lichen]

Yes, there is a document here that can help: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rBiprkid_i7aIyUAw1Le6578o8mPuD07gwEpdHqxbok/edit

Damn that’s a lot of text written when I was sleeping

[sharp lichen]

Don’t worry. Learning about a new thing may be confusing or disorienting, especially in this channel, but it’s a natural part in making sure you get to know the Sky lore

[drowsy flare]

Is the prince that's in starlight desert the same one which is the Eden bad guy king?

[lusty merlin]

No the little prince from starlight desert is a pre existing character for a collab season

And there’s no actual proof the eden king was bad, that’s mainly seen in scrapped concept art

[drowsy flare]

Wasn't the Eden king corrupted tho?

[lusty merlin]

In concept art yes but but there’s nothing ingame that shows that actually happened

[viral bay]

At the end of his time, yeah probably. We can see a star symbol that resembles his above the eden diamond in the last memory of Shattering, but whether that's meant to be the king or not is unknown.

We have no idea if he's trapped, died or still existing in Sky world.

[lusty merlin]

Ya it’s pretty ambiguous on what their fate was or even the role they played in the story like there is some pointers but over all it’s still vauge

[viral bay]

Also have we found the meaning of each shattering memory?

[sharp lichen]

There is a video I have explaining it, and also check in pins

[nimble ingot]

Commenting on the King and Prince messages.

The Little Prince is not to be confused for the Prince (hence why it may help to clarify with the Sky Prince or Alef (old placeholder, non-canon name)).

The King most likely plays an antagonistic role in the lore.
Both in concept art and in the game. Albeit in the game, it is vaguely implied with them being the elder responsible for the realm that is the source of the Darkness.
The elder that seemingly started the calamity with the Eden crystal destroyed (or shattered at the least).
And there being a reason why the other elder (except Dawn), had sealed the realm away with a gate.

There would be a lot to cover.

For reading material (theories and sources), I would recommend documents from the theorists here (some of which are in the pinned messages)
For visual material (concept art), see concept artists such as Ashley Coad, Jem, Jose Luis Vaello, Kim Mcmahon, Reika Yoshino, Tiffany Ashi, and Tom Zhao (simply look them up on Google as concept art from Sky cotl)

[solid rain]

Does the sky art book as well can be connected to the lore or it's a different thing?

[nimble ingot]

It is connected. If and when it is released that is.

[viral bay]

I remember seeing the tweet teasing that damn artbook 😭

[hushed steeple]

I completely forgot it was ever a thing

[fallen root]

🕊 I juzt realized why do we have two Edens

[viral bay]

That's weird. Are you guys out of bounds?

[lusty merlin]

Visual glitch

[hushed steeple]

It’s been there for a bit actually

[gusty sorrel]

That's just how Hermit Valley is. It's especially clear before a shard drops.

[lusty merlin]

Like depending on where you are a differnt view of eden appears but in some places two of them overlap

[hushed steeple]

I once saw an Eden to the far left of isle at night.

[viral bay]

Speaking of weird Eden, if you piggyrocket long enough from gw social space, the clouds surrounding Eden mountain makes it look like an ice cream

[hushed steeple]

I just remembered my primordial crab concept and how that led to a joke of the Eden mountain actually being a crab!!!

I FOUND IT!!!!!

[viral bay]

That looks terrifying

[hushed steeple]

I’ve gone with the right one, the left one is no longer relevant!

[viral bay]

You're saying that like it makes both look less terrifying lmao

[fallen root]

🕊 I'm at the location where one of the TLP quests takes place

[hushed steeple]

Well the right isn’t as conventionally scary as the left!

I may lack fear…..

Actually, I’ve never even experienced the uncanny valley!!!

[fallen root]

[fallen root]

🕊 So you're not afraid of dark shrimp?

[viral bay]

I would speculate that a skykid brave enough to draw that horror isn't afraid of some meer black shrimp

[hushed steeple]

No, not really.
I mean I can feel anxious and adrenaline and what not but it’s not very easy to make me scared through conventional horror so as to say.(I suppose)

I’ve come up with worse horrors than the friendly primordial crab.
Well the left one wasn’t friendly but it doesn’t exist anymore so…

Would the king be scared of my ideas?

[viral bay]

I've always wondered what other weapons could have existed in Sky kingdom other than swords, spears and shields

[hushed steeple]

Ok, I forgot who came up with the lasers idea but I argued them a while ago(it might have been salem?)about that! Since then I’ve considered the idea and saw some concepts and honestly, it’s not as bad….

I do apologize for that!

[viral bay]

A star wars battle would be fitting in Sky

[hushed steeple]

Sky Battles: The Last Wurtle!!!

Ok, I’m gonna need a minute something BIG just happened in my life and I’m really happy, excited, other positive feelings!!!

[viral bay]

For a fanfic of mine i thought of weapons spinoff of many existing props in sky:

• Windmill = shuriken
• Confetti canon = gun (confetti/light as bullets)
• Umbrella can be disassembled = sword and shield
• Tlp rose = dagger

[hushed steeple]

We should probably delete these as we need to stay family friendly

[viral bay]

Nooo

[hushed steeple]

Well I should at least get rid of mine as it’s a bit risky!

[viral bay]

Imma screenshot it to store in the ideas stock lol

[hushed steeple]

I will soon officially be a scholar!!!

[viral bay]

Also the chair throwing is actually something that would happen in Sky LOL

[untold notch]

there are such things as bladed umbrellas btw

[viral bay]

REALLY WOW

[hushed steeple]

I came up with a unique way to weaponize umbrellas but it’s too…
Gory and not appropriate for children.

[untold notch]

there's also the fireworks staff don't underestimate pyrotechnics

[hushed steeple]

COMBINE FIREWORKS STAFF WITH ORANGE LIGHT!!!!!!!!!

[viral bay]

Yeah it's one of the first prop i've considered but i'm still deciding whether to use it as a melee weapon to stab people or to launch bombs

[hushed steeple]

b o t h

[untold notch]

I think the staff should be ranged

[hushed steeple]

The wind chimes produce noises at high enough decibels to disorient a person!!!

[tepid veldt]

pew pew

[viral bay]

Omg imagine in a battle w everyone fighting each other and then there's this one BANGING on the bells

But there would be no way for the one holding the bells to shield themself from the sound tho

[hushed steeple]

Soldiers:intense fighting
Professional musician: cracks knuckles and puts on 5 ear muffs and 10 sound proof headphones
The bells: HARK HOW THE BELLS SWEET SILVER BELLS ALL SEEMS TO SAY THROW CARES AWAY CHRI-

[viral bay]

Oh yeah i forgot about the earmuffs XD

[hushed steeple]

I’m pretty sure it would cause carbs to crack.

[viral bay]

Definitely
They already crack at our honks

[marble lynx]

I used to write the memory candle prop from the wise parent is a bomb

[marble lynx]

please dm me what have you written

[viral bay]

Nooo it's still very wonky and it's more screenwriting for my future animatics

[marble lynx]

can't wait for your animation

[viral bay]

Thank you for the request tho!!

[sharp lichen]

Here’s the most I can cover in my own: https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

[sharp lichen]

I have a full document explaining the various ways in which spirits in Sky would commit violence

[viral bay]

PLEASE SEND MEEE

[earnest briar]

I just had the mental image of the Valley Elders playing tennis with a Skid curled in a ball and it's so funny They took 'play with the child' too literally.

[sharp lichen]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B5IGuShlsujPyyRCtqRkSVehFRYA6OEmgURamyU6MSI/edit

HERE

[viral bay]

I don't have access to it T-T

[sharp lichen]

Now you should

[viral bay]

THANK YOU

[tepid veldt]

skid makes it harder by flying around, like the golden snitch

[fallen root]

🕊 I personally headcanon this happened once, and the other elders were not so happy about it [they still do it secretly]

[earnest briar]

In the attempts to get to the Skid, Sah and Mekh keep hitting each other with their paddles while attempting to hit said Skid. Eventually it stops being a game of tennis and becomes a game of 'smash each other over the head'.

[fallen root]

: [Stares]
& : [Aggressively hitting each other at the head with their paddle]
:
& :
: [Honk]

[crisp socket]

whoa very cool

what about the passage, LP and remembrance spirits (tiptoeing tea brewer a medic fr)

[compact shale]

Hey lorechat
Send me all your info on spirit and player heights pls I need some help :D

[untold notch]

if we use aurora as a scale spirits are Really Tall

[compact shale]

1 AURORA = 1.6 m

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[frigid tinsel]

Oh hey it’s been a while

[tight night]

There’s something I noticed when I was watching the AURORA concert again. At the end of the song Warrior we see the mantas flying towards Eden, and we can see the beam of light coming from the mountain.

When we see the peak of Eden from any realm (outside of the AURORA memories) we can see the red glow from the Eye of Eden, and the storm around it with the flashes of lightning, as well as the beam of light that pierces the sky. (We know that the light is the ascension to Orbit, and could possibly be the collection/gathering of all light from the surface of the planet which leads/goes to the Megabird up in space/the heavens).

My observation is this: the peak of Eden in the AURORA memory has no Red Shard Storm, no lightning, and no red glow! It just has that golden beam of light shooting into the sky.

If the memory is an accurate representation of the past, then this tells us that Eden used to be full of pure light that all the light creatures naturally migrated to, (to eventually return to the megabird perhaps).

So then the “Eye of Eden” (the giant red crystal) was either; man made to collect the light that was leaving the planet (but got corrupted by darkness or was overloaded by the pure light); or it always existed as a pure object of light, but was corrupted by darkness (that sprang from the negative influence of the people). The two possibilities are essentially wether or not The Eye of Eden was present before the Darkness/Red Shard storm took over the mountain.

I also have another observation/theory of that, when we die at the Eye of Eden, our soul of light is absorbed into the Eye (Giant Red Crystal). I think this because the beam of light we see shooting out from the Eye of Eden is the light we fly up with when we are in that black realm. And that our light and dark halves might exist because half of our soul/existence is made from the Pure light of the stars/megabird, and half of us is tied to the earth/or the Eden crystal in some way.

Our bodies are made of stone/clay after all, but seeing how we absorb the light of the Winged Lights or standing near a fire, really reminds me of the red Shards; how the shards also absorb the light. So part of us isn’t just rock or light, but some how also made of the absorbing crystals? (Like how the Forest People mined crystals that activate from/store light. Could those crystals originate from the sky too? Just like we did?)

[whole pilot]

Eden spoilers ahead!!

What if there’s more to Sky than we think?
Obviously there’s spirits you can look for in all realms but the ones who got caught in Eden could have some different story.

We (those who have went to Eden) know that we just go forward as we can’t go back, since we went past the point of no return. Giving away wl can do something to the sky kids who died there but what? Yes, it gives more asc candles but I don’t think that’s right. They’re most likely to be in their same spot when you go back again, so why? Why do they not move on? I need answers and I will put pieces together until I get it.

The fact that we have the candle to light things up, give light, etc could lead to something else. When our light dies, we cannot function the way we did before. Eventually our wl will ‘disconnect’ from us, leaving the user crawling about to get it back. The wl is like a life source, and in order to save the sky kids who died in Eden, we have to sacrifice. This game is something else. It’s unique entirely, but such mysteries it can hold. Personally there is some lore behind the game that the devs could’ve put hints towards but we either are close to finding it out or very far behind.

[viral bay]

I think the spirits/ancestors that were in Eden at the time of the explosion simply got obliterated into oblivion, so much that it was simply impossible to remain in the world to ascend w the help of skykids, like w the other regular spirits/ancestors

[whole pilot]

that could go with it acc
it seems to fit together

[viral bay]

As of the skykid statues in Eden, i think the first skykids born into Sky didn't have anyone to save back then. I think, for the sake of gameplay, the statues are in fixed positions. But it's us skykids that save each other and help each other descend.
We go in there, to give skykids turned statues winged lights, and once we gave it all to others, it's time for others to give their all to others and to us. In the cutscene after we die, we see dead skykids breaking out of their shell in their purest form, the form of winged light.

But if this is true, we die and we would have to wait for others to save/give us a winged light in order to ascend to orbit.

This theory also doesn't take into account the shiny boi in the Pity room that we have to hug. I'm still not sure what's its role in the lore tbh

[hushed steeple]

I haven’t seen this in ages

Something I’ve noticed about the fallen is that after they ascend to orbit they then give us ascended candles and return to mega bird/the light. In other words I don’t see the fallen as other sky kids from our era but as sky kids from the past. And the ability to ascend them multiple times is simply for gameplay. But that’s just my take on it!

[sharp lichen]

For spirits I have no idea, but chibis are 2 foot 3, and moths are 3 foot 2.

[hushed steeple]

I’d assume adult spirits can range anywhere from 5ft-6ft.5 or so.

[hushed steeple]

Actually, let me check this out myself.

Here is passage guide compared to 3 chibis in a stack!

Suffice to say the height average starts at around 7ft

[hushed steeple]

Wait! No! That’s wrong!!!
Passage guide is around 6 ft 7 ish?

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, seasonal guides are quite tall, especially this one

[hushed steeple]

Isn’t flight guide quite short?
Imma go check

[sharp lichen]

I do know that the Prophecy Guide is massive

[hushed steeple]

SHORT!!!!!!!

[earnest briar]

do you guys think the Prince had a pair of those Among Us crocs

like these

Please, I will die happy if someone draws the Prince wearing these.

[hushed steeple]

He had lightning McQueen crocs actually./j

[native galleon]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message with aurora as a measurement it seems like most spirits are 6-8 ft

[hushed steeple]

Isn’t the version of aurora we see in the concert the same height as a sky kid?

[native galleon]

i dont think so

[hushed steeple]

Seed of Hope is a little under 6ft 9 about

[latent token]

i've always thought that the skids we save in pnr were previous skids who went through pnr. so it's a cycle of us saving each other. i've always thought the pity room was us. or, specifically a part of us that is our "light". we save others, and then we save ourselves.

[native galleon]

the scale of people and things in sky is often inconsistent (don’t even get me started on the elders ) but i think it makes sense for skykids to be a little smaller than humans and ancestors to be a little larger, which is what most of the estimates show

[hushed steeple]

Here we see the seed of hope is shorter

I mean warrior of love

[nimble ingot]

Dont know why. But seeing 3 chibis stack on top of each other is funny.

[native galleon]

3 skykids in a trench coat pretending to be an ancestor

@lusty merlin au idea /j

[nimble ingot]

tbf for those who have measured ancestors/elders in Sky. It is very likely their heights are inconsistent.
I think the Vault elder is one worst offenders. With them in their first cutscene is about the height of most ancestor spirits (despite them kneeling in the scene); them being about as tall as the valley twins in the all elders cutscene. And their size in Orbit is taller than Tsadi.

Either the elder is somehow able to change their size (Which would be cool in fanon, ngl), or the devs may have to revisit, and resize any sky characters to their true heights.

[hushed steeple]

True, I don’t think the devs are too concerned with height, I just wanted to see how things measured up after Baudshaw mentioning not knowing how tall ancestors are!

Also, the chibi height is also known as the baby height as is referred to in its spell form!

[nimble ingot]

Baud has done a lot of measuring in Sky.
Not to mention several folks' work on measuring the heights of other ancestors/elders.
It would be nice to have an official way to see their canonical heights.

[native galleon]

yeah i think it’s just an inconsistency BUT

one time the topic of size altering masks/spells for ancestors came up, and people kinda said that it wouldn’t make sense for ancestors which i agree with

but elders on the other hand, having their default forms that they’re most comfortable in, but also having the option to be closer to the size of the people and do more things with them…. also don’t think it’s a real thing, but it’s fun to think about

[sharp lichen]

I still think heights are consistent with skykids at the very least, I remember a dev saying that although the objects in office aren't canon, the scale of the objects in office are. That's why everything is so big

[native galleon]

Oh yeah im not doubting that but then otoh you have like vault cutscenes and battlefield where it’s like. what is happening here

And in those cases it seems like more of an artistic choice, not a literal representation

[hushed steeple]

Yeah, heights are wonky in sky because:

1. You only ever view the world from a child’s perspective.
   And
2. The world game wise seems to be built with the players view in mind rather than realistic perspectives

[lusty merlin]

Tbh yeah

[nimble ingot]

Funny that you mention it, overactliv with size/height changing masks.

Unless I am mistaking this for a different point of discussion in the past. When an update came out that change hide and sneak spirits' model, there were some question raised about it.
Namely that the old model was a full sized ancestor spirit (an old feminine ancestor model that had this spirit wear a full length dress), and the updated version is a preteen-ish/child model that somewhat looks like a skykid, but still an ancestor.

This brought up questions whether the mask was used to make the spirit appear younger, make them actually younger, or just shorter in general.

It is interesting to note that the other spirit that appears in the memory also changed with the update.
My interpretation is the older memory seems to have romantic implications. As a couple who is in love and playful while the masked spirit acting koi.
However, with the new memory, I take it has changed to be a platonic interaction with the same spirit playing hide and sneak with the now younger looking masked spirit.

[native galleon]

I think in the discussion before we kinda landed on height changing stuff being more of a game mechanic than an actual thing ancestors used, i just bring it up bc the idea of elders shifting forms sometimes to be closer to people is so 💕 💕💖

[nimble ingot]

agreed (on both points)

[earnest briar]

They're trying to buy scented candles from Bath and Body Works

[hushed steeple]

Erosion and Rock Chores

What if flight guide is really young

[viral bay]

Yeah perhaps guide are older bc they are supposed to be wiser and stuff

[hushed steeple]

I’m saying the guide for the season of flight is really young, like a teen or something. I say this cause they are pretty much the same height as warrior of love during their quest!
While this may seem like nothing at first when you compare the memory to how they are in valley’s arena you can see they are shorter in the memory. I believe this was intentional to show that warrior of love was younger in that memory than they are now which is something they did with wayfarer!
Flight guide being nearly the same height as young warrior of love could signify a similarity in age which would make flight guide younger than most guides.

[viral bay]

Omg with the abundance of candles in Sky i imagine that it would become a popular thing for Ancestors too
If only we could smell stuffs from Sky

[nimble ingot]

Just a thought.
We have a variety of ancestor spirit body types. Ranging from buff to lanky, from tall to short, from thin to thick.
I wonder though if TGC would potentially add more variety for ancestors. Such as a dwarf, or an ancestor with a prosthetic limb, or even a way for body types skykid can potentially unlock.

While skykids generally have slim limbs and the chibis have toddler like proportions. The most variety they have is in their heights.
It would be cool to see if skykids can have similar varieties in body types that the ancestors have. Buff, stout, lanky, etc.
They would not have to be drastic, but may offer another layer of customisation.

[hushed steeple]

The different sky kid body types:
-
-
-
-

And that’s all we know of as of now!

[nimble ingot]

Imagine a buff moth in the game.

[viral bay]

Valley elders already have prosthetic limbs

And adding variety of body types to skykids would mean adding variety model of all the clothes too, which is a lottt of work added. I'm not against it but i just wanted to point that out.

[earnest briar]

Krills don't krill buff moths, buff moths krill them

[nimble ingot]

true. Similar to how the devs would do so with different heights and chibis (a taller skykid is not necessarily the same model scaled up. The body parts of the tallest skykids are a bit longer than shortest ones. Which the outfits stretch to fit).

[hushed steeple]

I’m gonna go measure ancestors with chibis are there any requests for spirits you’d like to see measured?

[viral bay]

I would suggest admiring actor but it's too late now😔
Performance and enchantment guide would be great

[nimble ingot]

pro tip, if it is not easy to measure something, get a bookshelf to compare. /hj

[nimble ingot]

They could set up a bookshelf next to where the spirit would appear to help measure.

[hushed steeple]

I don’t have the book shelf, but I’ve got an idea

[sharp lichen]

If there’s a height changing spell, there should be a width changing spell

[hushed steeple]

After several attempts I was able to find a way to get a decent enough measure on admiring actor!

[sharp lichen]

I would LOVE to see more body types for especially Skykids

[nimble ingot]

ah yes, stacked tea set. The perfect thing for the stack of chibis.

[uncut pond]

I always found it kinda odd that spirits are so diverse in terms of shapes but skykids aren't even tho they all share the exact same animation set (animations are the usual excuse games use for not having more diverse bodies)

[hushed steeple]

I took one of these pictures in a cutscene(I was trying to see if I could get rid of the excess spirits)

[hushed steeple]

I have noticed some bigger spirits often have their hands clip through their bodies

[hushed steeple]

I just remembered that in my faux ded lore chat news report performance guide mentioned not liking the chibis!!!

[uncut pond]

Yeah exactly, even skids sometimes have hand clipping with some outfits, which is why I find it odd that there isn't more variety considering that clipping has never been a problem TGC seemed to care about

[hushed steeple]

OH! I think I might know why and it was mentioned in the Gnomon video that they didn’t want players to view or judge other players differently because of certain characteristics! This is also why they had to remove the cape from people you haven’t met! And then a bug brought it back.

[uncut pond]

They did? Are you sure? What are your graphics settings?

[hushed steeple]

That is a bug I believe

[earnest briar]

Beta isn't allowed outside of beta chats, not even here.

[cold sparrow]

discussing beta stuff outside of beta channels isn't allowed
#beta-discussion is for that

[vernal temple]

Thx

[hushed steeple]

Found in known issues

[earnest briar]

Delete your message about beta stuff please.

[vernal temple]

Ok

[earnest briar]

Is it just me, or do a lot of people think lore chat is exempt from the rules about not discussing things from beta outside of the designated chats because of the spoilers part of the name? It seems like it happens pretty often.

[cold sparrow]

probably

might be worth petitioning to remove the spoilers part of the name to the mods
considering Eden spoilers doesn't apply to any other channels anymore either, and there's no other part of the lore or live events and seasons that requires spoiler warnings in any other channel

[hushed steeple]

@viral bay Enchantment guide

[nimble ingot]

2 1/2 chibis O.O

[hushed steeple]

This means that they couldn’t have come from isle as isle is chock full of tall genes!!!/j

[cold sparrow]

the perspective in this screenshot might also be messing up accurate measuring
it doesnt look like youre standing right next to them, but slightly before them

[nimble ingot]

possibly, sadly.
If only there is a way to take pictures consistently. Where the camera would not pan away consistently (TGC, please, please. Let skykids have a setting to disable that, as well as the hints.).

Imagine skykids had a camera mode. 🎥

[hushed steeple]

Didn’t they tease something like that recently?

#news message
Yeah, right here!

[nimble ingot]

ooh nice. Welp, looks some dreams do come true

[hushed steeple]

I re-did enchantment guide and provided a side view of my location

Oof, I need to separate the chibis a bit more one sec

Here we go, this should be more accurate

[nimble ingot]

noice, looks like 2 1/2 chibis tall.

lol, hold on.

Would this be a trend in Sky?
Measuring things in chibis?

Skykid: "Man, this looks like a big drop"
Skykid: "I wonder what I can use to measure?"
chibi:

[hushed steeple]

That + days of feast pillows for area

I used it to measure crabs way back!
That’s how we found out crabs vary in size depending on the realm

I’m suspicious of assembly guide

[balmy spoke]

The chibi is a consistent size, a constant even. Thus you can anchor things to it

[hushed steeple]

Ok then! Assembly guide checks out!

So far 3 chibis means adult and 2 chibis likely means teen or child
Referring to how many chibis are needed to measure that is!

[nimble ingot]

short

[hushed steeple]

This is our short gang so far!

[nimble ingot]

this is gold. Am going to double it and send it to the next person (with credti, of course lol)

[sharp lichen]

It’s likely that spirits have a “short, medium, large” height option

[nimble ingot]

Would Prophecy be large, or extra large?
Am also looking and fluffy boi, Hermit.

[hushed steeple]

Well this is interesting!

[hushed steeple]

I can attempt a measure however no guarantees will be made for accuracy as these spirits are not standing around like guides(however, I could find a cheat for hermit in the last dreams quest)

[cold sparrow]

how tall is pleading child, compared to that?

[hushed steeple]

Hmm, let me see if I can measure

A little shorter than 2 chibis

[flint bolt]

Why is chibis a measurement

[nimble ingot]

Why not?

[hushed steeple]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[flint bolt]

I-

okay.

[tepid veldt]

the littlest of guys (nonbinary)

[hushed steeple]

I invented the idea of using days of feast pillows for crabs

[cold sparrow]

smol

[hushed steeple]

Confetti cousin and boogie kid are likely the same!

[flint bolt]

Measure a krill with chibis

[hushed steeple]

14

[flint bolt]

The big war whale

[hushed steeple]

Pardon?

[flint bolt]

Ya know, the gigantic sock puppet with the steel mask

[nimble ingot]

[sharp lichen]

We could use the Shattering memories for that theoretically, but it’s not easy

[hushed steeple]

That “mask” is made of bone or stone

[flint bolt]

I'd say stone

[nimble ingot]

lol, we now have a wolverine whale in Sky /j

[hushed steeple]

In one of the concept arts it’s stated that the stuff on the front of the whale is bone

Think coelacanth

[flint bolt]

Less lore, more measuring everything in bab

[hushed steeple]

I’m eating right now

[flint bolt]

you're on thin ice /j

[hushed steeple]

YES

Also, 103

Or 45

[nimble ingot]

chibis?

[flint bolt]

MEASURE MEGA BIRD IN CHIBI

[hushed steeple]

♾️
[phone]

[nimble ingot]

accurate

[hushed steeple]

@flint bolt
You are almost 2 chibis tall/j

[flint bolt]

im just one chibi tall

[hushed steeple]

Almost

Careful, chibis harass anyone who is shorter than them

Done with my popsicle time to get measuring

[flint bolt]

Chibi Measurement = cbm

[nimble ingot]

love it

[hushed steeple]

Also, remember, the sun is every color which means it’s technically white but it’s also technically technically green!

[flint bolt]

measure sun with cbm

or don't idk

[nimble ingot]

Should we entertain the thought of measuring the king?

[hushed steeple]

cbm is used for height, length, and width.
Feast pillows are for surface area.
The king is 35 cbm tall

[viral bay]

Damn chat gone wild w chibis and constants while i was gone

I wanna see the Krill and spirit elder manta be measured in chibis!

And also which elder will win the chibi height contest?

Place your bets here: (nobody will win since heights are inconsistent)

[nimble ingot]

My candles are on, Vault elder in Orbit. lol

[marble lynx]

how about the prophecy guide?

[hushed steeple]

Working on that one right now actually

Shorter than I expected! But does not meet short gang requirements

[nimble ingot]

x-large it is O.O)

[hushed steeple]

I unfortunately cannot get a good enough photo of a the prophets without pulling off a prop stunt(not much of a stunt but still) and I’m currently in a car.

[nimble ingot]

you are ok, thank you for your contribution to the cdm research expedition.

[hushed steeple]

It’s no problem!

[hushed steeple]

I’m not sure this is right…

I may need to wait for one of them to come back as a ts or for an event.

[sharp lichen]

Where do we even measure it?? Orbit?

[sharp lichen]

Legokidlogan looked at a BAFTA award 3 years ago for this 🥲

[hushed steeple]

So I’m seeing some inconsistencies here but I think the prophets should be above 3 cbm but below 4 cbm

[hushed steeple]

Wot?
I looked up BAFTA and I got something for Britain!

[sharp lichen]

The original heights for Skykids that you’re using right now was derived from a British award, BAFTA, that was found in Sky, so legokidlogan compared the Skykid’s height to the BAFTA and now look at where we’re at today

[hushed steeple]

I can’t look at where we’re at today, I’m so confused!

What was it specifically from bafta that it was derived from

[sharp lichen]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[hushed steeple]

OHHHHHHHH

Chibi is also referred to as baby in game when you look at its spell so makes sense for a chibi to stand below the cabinet!

[sharp lichen]

The chibi size, 27 inches, is also the average height for a 6 month old baby in real life

[hushed steeple]

Which means the ancestors were not in fact gigantic! For the most part!

Also, this is currently our short gang!
I measured abyss guide and they were too tall.

Someday we’re going to have near exact measurements of everything in Sky!!!

I now want to take measurements of Sky’s boats.
Including…
T h e A r k

[hushed steeple]

I need help figuring out the size of this pillow.

[nimble ingot]

hold on.
A skykid is about the height and appearance of a 9 year old kid, right?
And a chibi mask turns them into a walking menace that is a 6 month old baby (talking about flying fireproof kids here).

Now on an adult ancestor (assuming the age of 21 as the minimum), the mask makes them appear as a pre-teen/young teenager (say about 12 years old)

Would it be theoretically canon for that mask to have the ability to take away roughly 9 years off the wearers age?

Note for clarity here.
I am very well aware, and accepting, that the mask is more akin to being just a cosmetic item for the game.
Though also like to entertain theories that have silly outcomes.

What would happen if an elder wears a chibi mask, I wonder?

[flint bolt]

it means it's baby time

[nimble ingot]

try it on an office chair, on the fridge for comparison?

[hushed steeple]

Well we have the measurements of this cabinet specifically all I need is to find the pixel measurements for this image like it was done before! However, I’m using a phone right now without access to a computer at this moment so it’s pretty tough for me to figure this out.

Here’s how it was measured before in case you were wondering:
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[nimble ingot]

ah ok.
As a visual estimation, the cushion could be roughly 50 * 50 cm (or 20 * 20 inches)
Found this chart to help compare with the cushion on a couch (there is one in the fitting area on the second floor of the Office)

[nimble ingot]

...
perhaps a 16 * 16" then?

[hushed steeple]

But the cabinet is 2ft 6.8

[nimble ingot]

OCD be strong today

[hushed steeple]

The pillow is actually really close to a chibi

[hushed steeple]

I tried, just didn’t work in game!

So in other words the days of feast pillow is bigger than any of those pillows from that scale

Also those are some really big couches!

[nimble ingot]

They must be.
My math suggests the pillow is 24" 💀

[hushed steeple]

Well chibi is 2ft 3 so closer to that

[nimble ingot]

the chibi barely fits on the pillow.
So it makes sense for it to be a tad bit shorter than a chibi.
24" is 2 feet, so perhaps there is a 3" difference?

[hushed steeple]

Oh no that’s my bad, the chibi fits on the pillow fine almost perfect probably I just can’t position it right

I’d estimate at least 2ft 2 maybe?

[nimble ingot]

we can settle for that. 🤝
27.6 inches is 2'3" (dont ask me how freedom measurements work)
while 26.4 inches is 2"2'

[cold sparrow]

unless we see an ancestor equipping the chibi mask and changing their size/age, there is no reason to assume it can actually do that
the spirit who gives out the chibi mask just seems to be a younger ancestor in general, especially if you also look at their emote which is literally just a kids' game

[hushed steeple]

A foot is exactly 12 inches and the #ft # refers to foot and inch

[hushed steeple]

They said that, didn’t they?/lh

[nimble ingot]

We do in fact have a spirit that does it.

Technically speaking at least.
The hide and sneak spirit used to be an adult ancestor that wore the mask.
Until an update at some point changed the spirit and made them look younger to match the effect of the chibi mask.
Which in turn may suggest the effect of the mask applies to the ancestor spirits, and is not something that only affects skykids.

[hushed steeple]

What if it’s something like the mask less mask though?

[nimble ingot]

I am not following?

[sharp lichen]

Not exactly, a normal Skykid would be more akin to a 3-4 year old toddler in terms of height

[sharp lichen]

the "no mask" option offered by the Valley spirit

[cold sparrow]

I wasn't aware of an update like that
But I wonder if that should be taken as canon, or if that was simply a change they made because they decided to implement a younger looking character model to the game? there is no evidence of the hide'n'seek spirit once having had a bigger model left ingame, so I'd rather consider that cut content

what I meant with that is seeing a spirit ingame don the mask and then becoming smaller

Skykids trying to emulate a younger smaller ancestor seems more plausible to me than them getting a mask from a giant adult that suddenly makes them small

[pastel brook]

Using emulators is against the Sky TOS, @cold sparrow. Please don’t use or discuss emulators here.

[nimble ingot]

ah , my bad then.
I was going off the comment you made with the chibi being about the size of a 6 month old baby in real life

[hushed steeple]

It’s a valley spirit

[nimble ingot]

I could have sworn it was the memory whisperer from Vault. But had to look it up.
It was the proud victor that has the maskless cosmetic 💀

[nimble ingot]

to my recollection, it was around the time during season of Assembly.

Like most updates, this change came seemingly out of the blue and without a reason given (as far as I have heard).
They used to have one of the older character model of what I describe is a feminine long dress wearing spirit that had the hair and mask.
After the update, the model was replaced by this younger looking character model that we see used in other instances (like dreams).

[cold sparrow]

Assembly came right after Dreams
so it would make sense that they introduced this model in Dreams, then as they worked on forest with all these kid ancestors, they noticed that the hide and seek spirit looking the way they do doesn't make sense anymore
and so they changed it

[hushed steeple]

Dinner was served a bit ago, I should probably go eat and rehydrate

[nimble ingot]

enjoy the dinner Esther

I am going to pass out on my bed. The doggos near me are making me jealous with their snores, lol

[pastel brook]

it's raaaaining crabs

[nimble ingot]

What a terrible sight

[brave sparrow]

~~it's raining me? ~~

[fallen root]

🕊 According to Skybot, yes, that includes your entire family and bloodline/j

[viral bay]

Wow chat has gone even wilder w chibi constants while i slept

[hushed steeple]

I beg to differ

[hushed steeple]

That is some Atack on titan level herror right there👀👀👀👀👀

Can you imagine a AU scenario where that crab wakes up, and you can just spot that thing from every realm lumbering about 😱😱😱☠️☠️☠️☠️

[brave sparrow]

frfr

[earnest briar]

simple, just gather an army of Skids and cook it through the combined power of their candles. Or they could take the Asian honeybee approach and create a heat ball.

[hushed steeple]

So, funny thing about that
It is true that the concept art shows advanced crystal powered weapons like turents and laser towers, and that non of that is seen in the curent game

That is to say, almost non of it😏
The most powerfull and advanced veraion of these war towers are still in the game, for the Waistland Temple is something of a battle fortress wish 5 gigantic energy canons

Now, while it it 100% possible that they are not ment to be energy cannons in the curant cannon like in the old concept art.......
I dont see why they put the canons there anyway😅😅😅

[drowsy flare]

Omg guys hear me out, what I'd the krills were used as war machines and were powered by light but then after the corruption they also got corrupted. The reason because they're still 'alive' is because they kill whatever creature of light they find to powe them, including sky kids

My first lore theory yayy

[sharp lichen]

We do see this in the Prophecy murals though, so they probably did exist

[hushed steeple]

I don’t believe they were ever used as war machines nor were they ever something the ancestors wanted. It is incredibly likely they are corrupted light creatures that appeared due to waste land being polluted. They can be seen in several spirit memories and many murals around them game(most prominently in wasteland.)

A fun fact about krill is they are almost always around water(polluted or not)which is really cool as they seem to be based off of crustaceans which commonly require water (or I suppose moisture?) to live! Not in the sense of the need to hydrate like animals lacking gills do. They actually have to enter the water occasionally to continuously live on land!

It’s probably easier to just say some crustaceans have evolved gills.

[drowsy flare]

Oh interesting xD

[hushed steeple]

Listen to Esther
He makes a fantastic point

[sharp lichen]

This is not a bad idea, but one theory I had was that they were failed war machines. In reality, such a device would be hard to control and not very effective. So it’s likely they got abandoned

[hushed steeple]

Anthough I would add that in adition to the water, all krill eather around factory's
(waistland factory, great edan industrialcomples, the underwater building in abyss.....)
Or places where great battles were fought or creatures in mass died
(Boneyard,battlefild,arc........)

All these places have eather masive polution or masive amouts off dead light creatures and rage

[keen shore]

This might be a bit incoherent cause I just woke up but this mural has been forever interesting to me because it’s so different from the other murals of them. Different design, different apparent role and so on.
I know this cutscene also shows the twins as having different, older (in development) designs than they actually do, so I wonder if it’s a similar thing for them?

[hushed steeple]

I think a lot of people confuse there exosceleton inspired phisionomy and rock like body's to mean that the Krill are somehow mechanical or arteficially constructed creatures

They are not

[balmy spoke]

They are shrimp 🦐
be me: Pea brain theorist

[hushed steeple]

Yes, absolutely.
What is artificial though is the cosmic/memory manta.

[keen shore]

I did have a theory a while ago that the diamond this mural (and the others) is being projected from is akin to a memory lantern, and since our light was going through it to project, it’s just showing our perceptions of the elders rather than absolute day to day reality. I’m tentatively keeping it right now but am aware it seems like a bit of a leap.

The evidence I used for it was that all the elders are doing the same or very similar things in their murals to what we see them using in our cutscenes, our skykids have been heavily implied if not outright stated to have some memories of the world pre explosion in there, which might come in to play, and before our skykid sees this cutscene for the first time they have not seen this character represented yet at all

[cold sparrow]

That might come in part from the somewhat mechanical sounds you can hear when one passes by you really close

[hushed steeple]

True, but that is also a mater of people confusing creapy hard exosceleton crunching sounds for machenical😅

Giont monster centepides and spiders often have a similar sound in movies and games

[cold sparrow]

(also, obviously the parallel to Journey and its decidedly artificial guardians/warmachines)

[hushed steeple]

Ok that I 100% agree with

[rapid fog]

I noticed in the pins that there's a strong emphasis on allowing discussion of all ideas and theories. Is that because the Sky lore is not really very strong and the meaning is whatever we make up? As far as we know, does Sky have an actual planned history to explain what is going on?

[lusty merlin]

It does but it’s very loose, there are things that are solid in the story but most of it is speculating

There are a lot of things and tidbits in sky’s lore it’s just a matter of piecing them all togeather, a lot of it tends to be enviormental that direct storytelling (just from what I’ve seen)

[hushed steeple]

Ok, I did research and turns out that pistol shrimp and mantis shrimp sounds are actually quite similar to dark dragon sounds!

[sharp lichen]

I have a counterpoint to this: the Elders in Sky are very rarely portrayed accurately in murals at all. Look at sus-shaped Isle Elder, or Tsadito.

[sharp lichen]

There’s something called the “lore Bible” that’s apparently in the possession of the Sky devs, but it’s basically like a myth now

[hushed steeple]

whisperwhisper: let’s plan a lore bible heist

[hushed steeple]

Well, here is the thing
TGS deffinetly has a kind of "story of sky is a personal experiance" polacy these days, so you might think that there is no set story

However, in all the seasons and new areas you see, and videos they do post, there are always concreat repeating paters that point to the same lore and events, even though the detales are always vegue

I do think that TGS have a working idea of the history of sky that they use, but they are keeping the detales veague for the players in case they want to change some of these detales in the futurw

[sharp lichen]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[cold sparrow]

Sky as a whole is designed to be a game that's open to personal interpretation and whatever you identify with
from the gender-ambiguous spirits to the story that's told in vague bits and murals
the devs certainly have a very specific story they're basing their development on, but anything they do tell, or don't tell us is on purpose, to allow players to engage with the story on whatever level they want, and to allow players to draw their own theories and conclusions

[spark island]

I think also (just read (past tense) the above) that although it is a game for players to connect, there is an underlying background story for those who want to engage more into sky with the deeper lore rather than skim the surface of just playing, candle running and buying cosmetics.

[balmy spoke]

And that art book.. one day, one day.

[hushed steeple]

One day, you will be ours

Honestly with each passing month that art book is starting to look more like the holy grail of this channel😂

[keen shore]

Respectfully, I don’t really get how this is a counterpoint to my idea, given that the circumstance I was trying to describe was our skykid projecting representations of elders they themselves personally saw (as opposed to just saw in murals). Am I misunderstanding?

[earnest briar]

Okay but the idea of Sky Kids knowing what Among Us is and intentionally projecting Dawn that way is so funny to me.

[hushed steeple]

There is also the fact that lanterns specificly hold memories and data of the past that is inprinted in them

The fact that we use our light to turn on the lanter doesnt mean that its OUR memories there showing

Thats just how all sky magi-tech works😅

[sharp lichen]

I guess that could make sense, but in the Vault cutscene, we see the memory cube started in the Vault Elder’s hands and was passed on to us

[crisp socket]

Wait, did anyone discuss the similarities between the forest elder hair, the Eden diamond, and the temple door to the forest

[earnest briar]

Whether it's from the Sky Kids or memories of Ancestors, Dawn being portrayed as an Among Us is freaking hilarious and it is now canon in my eyes that that is a meme among Ancestors.

[cold sparrow]

Eden Diamond is likely a giant version of the darkstones used in darkstone technology found throughout the kingdom - which the forest elder seems to have invented/spearheaded the development of

[crisp socket]

Well yes- if you look at the door to the forest temple, activating it shows the process of the Eden diamond (or another large diamond) being built

Don’t have the video however

[lusty merlin]

Actually I think it’s just about power diamonds and the process of it being built, not about the actual eden diamond which I feel would look differnt if it was supposed to represent one diamond (I talked about this before)

Like the eden diamond could’ve made the same way yeah but I think this is just more focused on the production for darkstone in general

[hushed steeple]

Makes sence
Forest is where the craft of diamond makeing was first developed
It makes sence that Forest elders headpiece would be shaped like a diamond
Much like the Priery elder haveing a jar, the Isle elder a ship ( since first boats were made in Isle of down)

Thats all I can think off the top of my head, but Im shure the other elders have thematicly apropriate head gear related to there realms

[rapid fog]

Gotcha. I would love to have a copy of that lore bible! Haha! Final Fantasy 14 published lore bibles called the "Encyclopedia Eorzea" that are huge wonderfully detailed books that go over everything. I personally don't mind the authors picking something, as I don't think it prevents fan fiction from messing with the details, but I will respect their choices to not commit to full detail.

Thanks everyone for the excellent answers! That was very helpful.

[lusty merlin]

Ya i agree I feel forest is the main production of darkstone when it comes to mining, followed by wasteland imo with abyss

[hushed steeple]

Deffinetly

Here’s a video I have of the door

[lusty merlin]

Ah I also think wastelands helmet looks like a whale from the spikes and how they’re pieces together, vaults I assume has a sort of scripture with knowledge, maybe the diamond they also have can be for how darkstone centric vault is?

[untold notch]

skybot doesn't like large messages sometimes, or there's a filtered word in there being all sneaky

[nimble ingot]

There may be a filtered word in there.
I recommend folks to always coppy your message before posting. Since it can be deleted without warning, or reason.

Should it get nuked. Have a careful look at your text and see what could have been a trigger word for the bot.

[balmy spoke]

If anything, your pictures are enough if anyone wants to read it

[nimble ingot]

Honestly, I have no idea what would have caused your message to be deleted.

What I would recommend is try asking in #contact-the-mods and ask if they may help find out why this message was blocked.

[tight night]

Ok

[nimble ingot]

May I test something out with your message?
If not, it is perfectly fine.

[tight night]

Umm. Okay, that fine. What do you plan to do?

[nimble ingot]

Simply repost the message and see what may happens.

[nimble ingot]

(sorry for not replying)
May I?

[tight night]

Okay. Yes you may.

[nimble ingot]

credit to Elsa: (because the bot ate the original theory)

I'm not sure wether they are natural or they were created, But they do have that bright "crystal" eye that glows blue like the light crystals that originate form forest.

Those crystals are inside boats and are activated by absorbing light. Just like all those "power switches" that we hold our candles to in order to open doors in vault, and turn on the gondolas in Village of Dreams. These crystals help make things levitate...and in Vault the the Platforms are powered up by lightning lanterns with flame; the light of those lanterns is projected onto the Blue Diamond crystal in the center, which then glows a bright blue and floats, and then the rest of the stone platform begins to float up the Vault. It has the same blue crystals in it I think.

And just like the Dark Shards that glow red, and like the Massive red Eye of Eden, the krill's eye glows and projects that same red light when it senses our flame.

The krill's consumption of light makes me think that it has a Light absorbing crystal (from forest) that has been corrupted by the Eye of Eden itself.

I like to believe that the Eye of Eden used to be a massive blue Crystal mined from the forest caverns. When it absorbed light, it would glow a bright gold color (just like how the switches turn gold when lit). But some form of manipulations somehow caused the Eye of Eden to get corrupted by darkness, thus making it glow red, and the massive gravitational power (or anti-gravity?) it creates from forcibly absorbing so much light is what causes the massive swirling rock storm. The Eye of Eden could also be responsible for causing the entire palace at the top of Eden to be levitated into the atmosphere. (Because these crystals make things float). If the Krill's were powered by the same type of crystals, then the corruption of Eden is what corrupted the Kill too.

I also believe that top of Eden (the mountain) is the natural migration spot for all the light creatures. It's where they go to ascend to the Megabird.

For goodness sakes.......

Bot, I am going to replace those peas you liked so much with green clay.

welp, this at least proves the words themselves are not the issue here, @tight night

Thank you for letting me test this out. Because had there be a trigger word hidden in there, I would very much like to know what it would be.
Since to my knowledge, your theory is perfectly fine.

For what it is worth, your theory is interesting and am hopeful that despite the annoyance, you may continue to take part in lore discussions and share your theories.

[viral bay]

I'm sorry but can someone specify what implied that skykids have memories of the pre-explosion world for me??

Cuz that idea never occured to me

[hushed steeple]

After doing some math I’ve discovered that this pillow is around 2ft .8!

I think.

[viral bay]

I think krills and king krill have been created as an accident while trying to extract light from mantas but after that I don't think they were used as war machines at all, as we have yet seen a memory that shows krills as controllable. In aurora memory (the Seed i think?) in Battlefield, the krill was shown attacking spirits, those krills could be remnants from the mantas (or a light creature) that got corrupted after participating alongside of Light supporters in the battle.

Here are some concept arts of the accident in abyss, sorry if they're not in order:

[keen shore]

The newest intro directly states our skykids are returning to this world and refer to WL as ‘lost memories’; among some other things that are less accessible but I can explain later

[hushed steeple]

THESE ARENT KRILL THEY’RE CORRUPT MANTA!!!!!
And they look EXACTLY like the shattering ult!!!!!

[viral bay]

That could imply the King more as he was perhaps the first skykid to land here and the winged lights are the parts of him after getting obliterated by the Eden diamond.

So maybe it implies that the species of skykids are returning to this world

[hushed steeple]

Also, it looks like the corrupt manta are coming out of what appear to be eggs!

[viral bay]

If the concept art of light creatures being born from the Light/megabird is kept, then we can speculate that these mantas were in fact, artificial.

[hushed steeple]

Interesting
So they didnt just take big mantas, they also took there baby's and experimented on them to make bigger mantas, and then bread them to get even more light dence mantas🤔

[hushed steeple]

There are eggs in forest.

Those are litteral eastet eggs
They dont count🤣

[viral bay]

I doubt that it was manta's eggs. Weren't there a daily quest about those eggs?

[nimble ingot]

That's big. O.O

[hushed steeple]

Not all Easter eggs are made of plastic and have candy in them. Some are boiled and dyed or painted allowing people to have fun with something that is in fact a legitimate egg!

I mean it was done as a joke
Im preaty shure someone said it as much in an old interview

[hushed steeple]

I understand. And I was saying that you can have a secret in a game that still plays a role in the lore.

Not unless it contradicts other lore stuff

If they didn’t come from eggs then they came from the clouds. I don’t think there were stars constantly falling from the sky.

Oh, Im not saying they didnt come from eggs
Im saying that THOSE arent manta eggs

[hushed steeple]

How so?

[viral bay]

Yeah from a (maybe outdated?) source, in one of the interview the dev said creatures of light came from light particles from the clouds "condensing"

[hushed steeple]

Well there you have it
Of course they could condence first into eggs

Also. given all the other stuff we know about manta life cycle, and the older abyss murals, the theoretical eggs would form out at sea or in the distant island chains like in sanctuary ( which is the only place we ever find baby mantas), not on the mainland

No mater how you crack it, forest eggs are not manta eggs
But Im shure there deliciass😛

[viral bay]

And then they fall on the ground and crack?

[hushed steeple]

I wonder what the wing span of a manta is?

[reef fulcrum]

Depends on the Manta, right? I mean, the Great Manta at the Sanctuary Islands is h u g e.

[hushed steeple]

Well there you have it
Of course they could condence first into eggs

Also. given all the other stuff we know about manta life cycle, and the older abyss murals, the theoretical eggs would form out at sea or in the distant island chains like in sanctuary ( which is the only place we ever find baby mantas), not on the mainland

No mater how you crack it, forest eggs are not manta eggs
But Im shure there deliciass😛

[sharp lichen]

I always assumed the creatures of light came from the same place we do, The Light

[hushed steeple]

Now that is something a math theorist should test 🤩
We know the exect size of a chiby, and we have models of mantas
Now what we need are reliable pictures of all the species and age categorys

[nimble ingot]

There may be some concept art that can help with measurements

Though would assume a manta's aerodynamics would be on par with a kite.
Given their shape.

If not similar to one of those paper crafts with robotics to move the wings (found it):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kd04quryVPI

[hushed steeple]

just be carefull
Not all of them might be to scale
some cursery compare and contrast might be usefull

[hushed steeple]

Maybe, but I have one thing left to say.
Forest mantas are small compared to other mantas. This is either due to being in a shaded environment like forest where there isn’t exactly as much space to fly, or these are young manta.
Also the area in forest with the eggs is flooded with water and covered by low hanging clouds(relative to the ground.
So maybe manta adopted eggs once they fell!

If not then I don’t know what these eggs are.

[hushed steeple]

I actually used to study the creatures of Sky!

well beside easter eggs, Im not shure
Ps you do know what the expresion "easter egg" means, right?

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, I doubt those eggs really mean anything

It’s likely that most light creatures were born from The Light/Megabird and journeyed through the realms to return to it, in this cycle of sorts

[hushed steeple]

Of course!
Journey had several for flower and one for flow!

yes, and does that mean that the events of journey happened in the sky universe?

[hushed steeple]

Sky wasn’t even around for Journey!
Do you know TGCs other games Flower and Flow?
And besides, my weird quote wasn’t saying all Easter eggs were lore related!

Yup, but these eggs are non cannon
I refuse to belive that there are inocent manta eggs freezing in the cold out there, and none of us are doing anything to relocate or protect them
I will lose feith in our entire race if that were true😭

Those are not manta eggs and I will fight you if you say that they are
(Ps joke)

[nimble ingot]

The lore of Journey are not related to Sky's lore, and vice versa.

TGC has stated that Sky is a spiritual successor.
Meaning that while they may have some themes and ideas in common, they are still separate 'universes'.

[hushed steeple]

exactly my point

[hushed steeple]

Fish eggs aren’t exactly temperature sensitive!

I NEVER SAID SKY AND JOURNEY TAKE PLACE IN THE SAME UNIVERRRRRRSSSEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!

well, agree to disagree then😅

[sharp lichen]

Do mantas even come from/lay eggs? Most concept art states that The Light is the source of all, including mantas

[hushed steeple]

I don’t think there were stars constantly falling. However, their spirits could come back in other ways!

[hushed steeple]

I think so too
This is just entertaining the notion that the light comeing to earth might coaless into a light egg first, and then become baby mantas

I mean, how do light particles even get into the clouds? Gotta come from somewhere!
(This is a rhetorical question)

Am.....

[nimble ingot]

Plot twist.
The flying light orbs in Sky are the eggs for mantas.
They fall into the ocean and explode with hundreds of teeny tiny manta babies.
They stay in the water until they are big and strong enough to take flight.

[hushed steeple]

………..

……..

steal-
A D O P T

could be
But I think its more like many orbs fuse into a tiny manta

It’s not stealing if you have ||counterfeit|| paperwork!!!

Exactly. Well said👍
(counterfiting the papirs as I speak)

[hushed steeple]

Sereosly, you get some of the best ideas sometimes ☺️

[nimble ingot]

thank you

[hushed steeple]

Fun fact: jelly fish(or sea jellies)are plankton!

for the sanctuary whale, they might be🤣

[nimble ingot]

interesting.
Reminds me that there is such a thing as a jellyfish that is immortal.
The creature reproduces with itself and restarts the life cycle infinite times.

[hushed steeple]

Let me explain plankton.
A plankton is not really a species but more so just a living organism that is free floating in the water to put it simply.

maby jelly's dont go through edan but keep reincarnating on earth🤔

[hushed steeple]

Sorry about that😅
Yes I know what planctons are
There more a caterogy in the food chain then enything else

[nimble ingot]

I would say not likely when we do see some on the way up to Orbit (past Eden)
Which suggests they either do find a way past the storm, or have been chilling up there for who know how long.

[hushed steeple]

Oh yeah, forgot for a hot secund
Thanks for reminding me😅

I’m not sure how intentionally they move place to place since they don’t have a brain, just a nerve net.

[nimble ingot]

: sad jellie noises /j

[hushed steeple]

Also, the jelly life cycle is crazy. Let me fetch a picture!

... im back

oh yeah
You guys are gonna love this. Its insain😂
The look like......
(No, stop it, dont steel esther's thunder)

[nimble ingot]

welcome back!

[hushed steeple]

BOOM!
THEY STAY ON THE GROUND TO MAKE MORE SEA JELLIES!!!!!!!

Oh wow, thats a great picture
Been looking for a good one of thse

[nimble ingot]

When the lorechat is a school science class.

[hushed steeple]

The immortal jelly can turn back into a POLYP!!!!!!!
Whenever it gets too stressed!
AND THAT INCLUDES OLD AGE!!!!!!!
IT GETS STRESSED FROM OLD AGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[reef fulcrum]

Bout to become social studies...

[hushed steeple]

Lore chat is already human geography

[reef fulcrum]

#sky-memes message

@teal rapids I'm really grateful for this reply. I definitely understand where you're coming from, with the "default response"; a good place in your heart of courage and righteousness. It can be very hard to self-reflect when you believe you're doing the right thing. The respect you've given me, to reconsider your perspective, proves again the kind of amazing and considerate people who are playing this game...

If I may get a little personal here; I felt they added the Yeti for many of the same reasons. The Hermit. The loner, separated himself from the village, apart from society, convinced he's better off without people with him. He saved that girl's life, and she touched his heart like it never had been before. In the Valley of Triumph, a place of competition. Of races, and combat. Where strength is honored to prevail. She created a new art. Something beautiful, combined with the ideas and wonder of all these different people. Not "in spite" of their differences but BECAUSE OF them.

The Yeti found a new Home and new Love with a new Family because he had shut himself out, and how better to portray a character to be totally enamoured by Ice Skating; than to idolize a culture from a place that practically never gets snow?

Sure, it can seem offensive if you use strong words like ||racism|| and stereotypes, but being offended doesn't automatically make a person right. I don't believe words are evil, and cruel people will use any word to be rude and hurtful; if that's the kind of person they want to be. Unfortunately; those kinds of people will always exist in the world, but TGC has proven ad nauseam their exquisite mastery of approaching even the most controversial subjects with grace and dignity.

@pulsar cargo I think you read the first part I posted, but if anything was left unclear or misinterpreted, I hope this helps to see where I'm coming from.

[hushed steeple]

I thought we were talking about sea jellies and stuff……./lh

Fun fact: Barnacles are crustaceans!

[nimble ingot]

??? About the conversation in the memes channel you linked, @reef fulcrum .

The dancing performer was based on Korean/Japanese culture
The outfit was influence by the gat for the hat, a kimono for the cape, and the instrument was a pipa

I would not further indulge in the conversation, though would respectfully give this information that the spirit was not inspired by Mexican culture.

[hushed steeple]

Uhhhh…
Pistol shrimp and mantis shrimp can make noises to communicate with one another!!!

[nimble ingot]

That's awesome. 👍

Dark dragons were called krill by fans of the game, because of their appearance 🦐 =

[viral bay]

Does this even belongs to the lore chat???

[nimble ingot]

Not really, and not sure why it was posted here.
Other than linking the convo from there to here.

[hushed steeple]

Also pistol shrimp have a symbiotic relationship with gobies!

[nimble ingot]

gobies? O.O
What are those?

[hushed steeple]

man, your good at this
Though I was the only animal nerd here😅

yup, thats a goby
Some species can (technicly)walk on land too

It’s called a mud skipper, correct?

yup
Nature is wild

That’s one of the fish I made a Sky fan concept for a while back!

😍

[nimble ingot]

ooh, please share if you can

[viral bay]

I just found that crawdad is a synonym for shrimp

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, “all are born from starlight”, implying that all light creatures are related

[hushed steeple]

Exactly
The principle is all the same, the configuration and concentration and method differs

[sharp lichen]

Even if the spirit isn’t actually based on Mexican culture, it’s still not wrong.

(Except for the part where TGC somehow proves that they approach controversial subjects with grace and dignity? Not at all)

[hushed steeple]

I FOUND THE PIC I TOOK A WHILE AGO!!!
Why didn’t I just take another picture without blue lighting?
Cause I didn’t wanna!

It literally took me forever to draw it in a way I was happy with!

This is where the lore chat bobbit worms came from!

Oh, also, MASSIVE SQUID!!!!

[nimble ingot]

someone said bobbit? O.O

[hushed steeple]

I did! About 1 1/2 years ago?

I also drew an interpretation of a wurtle based off of the water prophet’s mask!

[nimble ingot]

That is so cool!
TGC should take notes here (and give credit if they decide to use it. Even if they just say tehy got the idea from fans of the game)

[hushed steeple]

Thanks!

These are other ones I made!

Uhhhhh…..
Sea horses hunt animals for food

[nimble ingot]

I love the octopus.
reminds me of the concept art for them

[hushed steeple]

Octopi are so smart!
As smart as a 3 yo human!!!!

[nimble ingot]

I remember this story of a researcher or someone who kept one was trying to take a picture of the octopus, but the bugger was cunning.
It stole the camera and took a picture of the human instead XD

[hushed steeple]

LOL

[nimble ingot]

Here is the picture.

[hushed steeple]

I’m sure they could technically create some form of primitive society. However, they are unfortunately anti-social!

Do you think light blooms could be related to jellies? In Sky that is!

I need some lunch and to move my plant.

[nimble ingot]

It would be fascinating if it is the case.
Though it could also be a type of Light fungi.
A Light counterpart of the Dark plants.

[lean kayak]

HELP WHAT IS THAT

[nimble ingot]

what is what?

[lean kayak]

Octopi know how to take pictures now too??

[reef fulcrum]

I figured it had more to do interpretation of the backstory surrounding the Dreams Characters, so I definitely didn't want to follow up in the meme channel. But I'm still new here, still finding my way around the server. If my interpretation was obviously misled, it would seem this channel got me the feedback I needed, but is there another channel more suited to this kind of analysis?

[keen shore]

That’s a good point about the character analysis! Thanks for elaborating on why you posted it here, was a bit confused as well.

[nimble ingot]

Generally speaking, the lore chat is about the story of the game.
Which tends to cross over to interpretations (the lore is open to interpretation), concept art, backstory, the characters, etc.

[keen shore]

I wonder if all the dreams spirits (bar the skater and maybe the guide?) are supposed to be social outcasts of some kind, with some more obvious than others. They’re all implied to be performers who stopped performing for various reasons. Either that or it’s just Hermit

[reef fulcrum]

Thank you all, I try very hard, but I know it comes out way too heavy quite alot.

[keen shore]

Don’t worry about it! I really like reading and writing heavy analyses in this channel; they’re my favorite part!

[sharp lichen]

Now that I think about it, I can more clearly see Dancing Performer have a Mexican related influence. There’s the “performer” part with the lucha mask, and it’s not the first time Sky has used more than one culture in a season.

(My first thought was them being a hipster, but that’s neither here nor there )

[keen shore]

I think it would be really cool if that idea was true. Dancing Performer is implied to be a street performer of some kind and especially with the pigeon mask, representing a bird known for its navigation skills, I wouldn’t be surprised if they roamed from place to place, often far away from their home, and that’s how they reached the village.

[hushed steeple]

i mean, idk who you are refering to, but if it is who i think, ok i know who he is now and, at lesast for the hat, it do resembles a mexican hat, but i think the top part is a little moroe cicle like irl, so i dont think it migh tbe mexican, it looks more like a hat from another culture i dont remember wich, that its like that, it looks more spanish-ish
(i am not sure, so sorry to anyone from spain that might read this)

[sharp lichen]

Oh, you poor little, sweet innocent child

||For context: that hat has been the source of endless controversy, with evenan article about it||

[reef fulcrum]

Omg one second.

[sharp lichen]

Can I DM you for a second?

[reef fulcrum]

Sure

[reef fulcrum]

"Dancing Performer"
Thank you, again. Clarification is a beautiful thing, but yeah. This is who I've been referring to.

[reef fulcrum]

This is absolutely plausible. They are each shown to have prior knowledge from different origins that contributes to the Skater and creating something entirely unique. His long beard, too, gave me the impression that he had lived a mostly full life, in his own way; before traveling the world to teach and to learn.

[drowsy flare]

Wait so we know who the next ts is?

[sharp lichen]

Just speculation

[pastel brook]

oh oh! ask me, ask me!

[nimble ingot]

That image of the TS was for last year.
This year's June 22-25 TS has not been announced yet.

!ts (sigh)

[pastel brook]

The next Traveling Spirit is scheduled to arrive on <t:1687417200:F> (<t:1687417200:R>)
You can learn more about Traveling Spirits here: http://bit.ly/TravelingSpirits

[nimble ingot]

The TS is usually announced 2 days before a ts arrives though

Best check who it is in #general-sky-discussion , #news , or in #questions-and-help

[pastel brook]

no

[tepid veldt]

skybot’s a little goofy today

[sharp lichen]

More than a little goofy

[pastel brook]

Are we discovering new areas because of the light we've brought back to Sky?

[sharp lichen]

AI is taking our jobs!!

[pastel brook]

Inconceivable!

[sharp lichen]

Google Luddites

[hushed steeple]

Thanks for the compliment! I usually try to maintain a more understandable form for people but I’m really just a sentient, hybridized plant!

Give me something to measure in Sky!

[hushed steeple]

I see what’s happenin’ here!
You’re faced with something unknown and it’s strange
Yes, I am a plant! Breath it in!
/J

[inland spruce]

Big question for y’all lore theorists;
What is Performance Guide’s and Rhythm Guide’s relationship? Are they siblings, friends, lovers, Rhythm being a mentor for Performance…? I didn’t quite pick up on what was happening in the last cutscene of Season of Performance.

[hushed steeple]

Sorry, that was a bit rude of me.
They’re actually twins as stated by the devs!

[inland spruce]

Are they really? Either way, it works for what I’m drawing lol. Thank you!

[keen shore]

Confirmed twins!

[lusty merlin]

ya in performance guides info card in news it says they're a twin to another guide in the game, and rhythm conveniently shows up in the final quest. Both have identical hairstyles (performance just has fluffier hair) along with their mask triangles too

[hushed steeple]

I’m here with two light creatures in Sky you may have overlooked!
Coral (which isn’t as likely as the next)
And Dinoflagellates!
Or in this scenario Zooxanthellea!!!

[hushed steeple]

So, corals aren’t what give themselves color.

[hushed steeple]

so, i jsut finished the last passage, so, any theories on it? qwq

[nimble ingot]

The guide makes masks. Which is new in terms of meeting a spirit that actually does that for a living (pun not intended lol).

And that there are "summer camps for troubled teens".

[hushed steeple]

And passage guide has magic

And may be working alongside elders but there’s no strong evidence

Sky bot has an insatiable appetite for messages today, huh.

[hushed steeple]

i n t e r e s t i n g

[hushed steeple]

lol

.. i just understood the pun XD

What spirits would you guys like me to check for short gang?
This is what qualifies a spirit for short gang:
-must require at MOST 2 cbm(a form of measurement using chibi sky kids stacked on top of each other or lined up and any form of way(usually head to foot))

i mean yes pleding child is a... well... child

[hushed steeple]

Wasn’t my idea to measure them…/lh

what does /lh means qwq

Light hearted

OOOooh XDnice

So, who do you wanna see go through the shot gang test?

how is they called...

chibi mask ..

the spirit of the hide and see- 11 thats it!

||¡hide and seek pioneer!!||

Ok!

I was about to say I’m not sure how accurate my measure is but I just remembered I can visit the grave.
I will be right back!

@hushed steeple Unfortunately I don’t think Hide and Seek Pioneer qualifies for short gang

[hushed steeple]

damn

Abyss guide suffers the same fate

damn

And then on the opposite end of the spectrum!

HUH

Of course seasonal spirits are especially difficult to measure so it may not be entirely accurate

[pallid dust]

I wonder how many chibi are in the elders?

[frigid tinsel]

What a question to open this channel to

[untold notch]

probably at least one

[rocky grove]

does anyone know why the inside of the wounded warriors mask is blue?

[frigid tinsel]

Possibly sort of darkness scarring. We don’t know ancestor anatomy since they’re all dead, though we know they had light. I think their injury was infected with darkness somehow and crystallized

[rocky grove]

sounds like an infection, this is from the animation trailer. the hands look very human it makes me think their blood may have been reddish

[lost pecan]

Speaking of the animation, specifically the project teaser, I had a funny little realization!

These people here??? They look oddly familiar.

I wonder where we've seen them before.

[rocky grove]

WOAHH,

[lost pecan]

(Context: That last picture is the Ushering Stargazer's memory cutscene.)

Granted their designs are more elaborate in the animation but I think the resemblance is pretty clear.

[rocky grove]

they even have a kid

[nimble ingot]

That kid fell from the sky.

[lost pecan]

The one we see with them in the spirit memory could be the same one. They're wearing the same kind of clothes. Not to mention, we also don't see any other kids with the Ushering Stargazer at all.

Plus, in the teaser, it looks like the person is slowly trying to nudge the kid outside and the kid looks scared, like they've never seen the environment before—which, if they're the same kid as in the memory, then that would make sense since they haven't. They've just arrived in this strange new place.

Of course they would be a little freaked out.

[nimble ingot]

My take is the ancestors have met a travller in that scene.
And they are about to hand the child over to the traveller to help them on their journey.

[hushed steeple]

This is a really awsome observation, and your streight up right about more or less of it. Great job☺️👍
And to answer some of the things you werent to shure about
-Yes, the edan diamond was man made, and by asociation the storm too.
The beam of light had been there posibly since before the comeing of the ancesters dureing the fog of deep time.
Over time more and more things were built in the areas around the beam, starting with hiking paths, rest stops, small temples......
In the later ages of the crystal era, the entire region around the beam become the capital of the old empire

Dureing the great war, you have something of a stalemate between the emperial forces and the resistance that over time centered around the "battlefild" region, and it is dureing this time that the withing the edan kingdom the construction of the edan diamomd bigin. Unfortunatly they were tempering with forcess far beyond there control, and the crystal become corupted ( blue to red), went kaboom, and unleashed the storm.

[normal wave]

I just complete season of remeber spirits memories i have few questions
:- why guard arrested kid mother
:- why the mother hiding when collecting herbs

[hushed steeple]

Given that thets a war going on, there probably refugies, deserters, or maby even defecters
Depending on the spirit they eather want to be left alone and avoid takeing part in the war or being processed by the govermant, or they might have spoken against the regime and are wanted.
Basicly these 2 are civilians that got (bad word) becouse of all the fighting and politics dureing the war, while the other 2 are soldure/ father of soldure who experianced the dark side of that profesion

All of them ended up becomeing refugies hiding out and living there new lifes in the hidden chambers of voult kingdom, hiding out from all that was hapening outside ( And in my headcannon being let in an hiden by voult elder in secret)

[hushed steeple]

YETI

[hushed steeple]

While its great that there all frozen in time, the memory versions are a curtain magnitude bigger then IRL

[raw moth]

Which part of the Aurora quests says this

Especially the "light creatures in war" part

[hushed steeple]

Where is this from

[raw moth]

The TvTropes page

So it might not be the most accurate, but I'm still curious how they came up with it

[hushed steeple]

Sky has a tv trope page?

Well Im guessing there refearing to the krill🤔

[raw moth]

It's dark creatures in general

[hushed steeple]

Well what there saying does make sence

[raw moth]

idk how they came up with it though, I don't remember the AURORA quests explicitly saying anything

[hushed steeple]

All 3 mentioned here are well suported theories

[raw moth]

So I think the Abyss one comes from the krill containment chamber? iirc the quests don't really go deep into it

[hushed steeple]

It wasnt a krill containmant chamber at the begining😅

The abyss krill ( 1000 eye beast)come to be as a result of all the waist from the crustal factory, the bones and leftovers of the mantas, and the light of the experimented mantas all fusing into one monstrosity

[raw moth]

Wait is this shown in the game or

[hushed steeple]

Nothing is directly shown ( hence the ambiguity)
It all comes from data colected from murals, the enviromant, and the concept art

[hushed steeple]

Already did them a while ago though I can’t be certain how accurate this is!

Everyone: discussing abt the. wae an aurorea

esther: C B M
/lh

Sorry abou that😅
I just noticed in the backlog, but didnt get a chance to my request

[hushed steeple]

It’s alright!

[viral bay]

One of the concept art murals for abyss was this: #lore-discussion-spoilers message
It's up to you to interpret it

[hushed steeple]

I cheched some of the photos I made from the dream season cutacenes
These seam to be consistent

[hushed steeple]

Unfortunately I need to have a chibi right next to a spirit in game to get an accurate measure

Oh, did you not have one in the pic you made?

[hushed steeple]

I did, however, that was on a slope and I’m uncertain if the sizes were changed at all to fit the final quest.
Seasonal spirits are more complicated than other spirits!

I guess we can use the scater as a reference, since like I said, the spirits seam to all be consistant is size between shots, and also there realtive sizes between each other in the pic you did seams acurate

Yeti seems to be shorter than usual

Not neceseraly
Its just that all the spirits exept for the fuitar one are relatively small

The instructor is about same size as scater

No, comparing these two pictures(specifically using the rabbit masked spirit)and taking into account yeti’s knees are bent in one of them you can guesstimate the height difference.

Yeah, but the bunny is a bit more in front in the group shot
So I think its mostly consistent

I might try to take picks of the spirits, just to be safe

Not by much, that can’t exactly change the appearance of height enough to throw things off balance. Also their legs are bent too.

True

I supose you can never go wrong with more data for comparison 😅

[hushed steeple]

Absolutely!

Also, did you sereosly mesure the whale as 43/100+ cbm, or was that more as a joke😅

It was a joke, it’d be incredibly difficult to measure the fish.

[hushed steeple]

Here

I see, becouse 45 cbm was just about right for the size of a blue whale, so that kinda throw me for a loop🤣🤣🤣

[hushed steeple]

O_O

[sturdy wyvern]

What about the glitched out dark whale beyond the wind border? It’s unmoving, so you could measure that.

[hushed steeple]

Where?

I have a theory, and it’s that what we call “whales” are actually just big fish!
And the big “manta” in sanctuary is ACTUALLY a whale maybe.

[sturdy wyvern]

In the abyss season area (unless they removed it, but I don’t think they did)

[hushed steeple]

Your right, but everybody keep calling it whale so I just went along😅

How would I get there?
And isn’t that just the corrupted giant manta?

[sturdy wyvern]

There’s probably some way to

[hushed steeple]

You can get close to it, but dont know how you would get right in its face for mesurement

I just wish I took pics of the cutscene where he comes out of the dores
Maby that could give us some clues

If I could measure a krill I could try to figure it out that way!
Specifically one from the abyss area cause I don’t know if they vary in size.

Ps, your sky animal drawings are awsome😍😍😍😍😍

[hushed steeple]

Thank you!!!

[tepid veldt]

popping in to say its tsadi tuesday

[hushed steeple]

Hmmmmm🤔

Will these help

Not quite but it gives me an idea

I might be a little while…

[raw moth]

Where does the Aurora theory come from then

[nimble ingot]

Would you be able to send a link to the webpage that says this?

nevermind found it.

Personally, I find it worrying to see a webpage that confident to make statements and yet have little to no source material cited, nor an author.

Not looking to pick apart the trivia on the tv tropes site.
Though would not trust this website for research.

As an example:
"... Season of Aurora hints that Dark Dragons are corrupted giant Mantas, driven mad from the civil war."

1- no source or explanation on how this is a thing.
2- Mantas and Dark Dragons are not the same creature. They are canonically recognised as different creatures that the ancestors do recognise.
3- Countering the Aurora reference with this tid bit. The season has a memory showing ancestors fighting against them. We have not once seen an instance where the ancestors were riding nor working with krill (as of writing this). In fact, we have seen before, during and after the war in question how manta were used and they were slain.
4-The Dark Dragons being corrupted was established before Aurora. But how they happened has been left up to speculation.

[round parrot]

happy Tsadi Tuesday to you too, Idyll

[native galleon]

a lot of stuff on tv tropes is user opinion, it can be fun to look at for theories and stuff but idk about research

[hushed steeple]

AGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
I don’t want to count these!!!!
Sigh
Just give me a minute!

[nimble ingot]

Agreed.
For fun.
Though would not trust for learning about the lore. Regardless if any facts are correct.

[hushed steeple]

Less than 34 cbm

[nimble ingot]

woah Esther!
So many chibis!

My count is 32 chibis from nose to tail.

What were the references you were using?

[hushed steeple]

I used the balloons and two of the chibis at the end are transparent to try and show the end of the krill.

[hushed steeple]

Oh, also I went horn to tail.

[hushed steeple]

Nose to tail would be about 30 cbm

[nimble ingot]

what did we establish for chibis?
2 feet and 3 inches right?

[hushed steeple]

Horn-tail is less than 918 in.
Nose-tail is less than 810 in.

[nimble ingot]

so, 67.5-76.5 feet!

[hushed steeple]

We need to cut of the majority of the last chibi

I’m gonna estimate 65.5-74.5 ft.

[nimble ingot]

I just realised that measuring a krill was done before. I just remembered!
Here: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

This user, Legokidlogan did some pixel measuring gymnastics to measure a krill.
They got 69'8" from nose (the eye) to tail!

[hushed steeple]

Perhaps abyss krill are smaller than usual?

Also, I made this.
Attempted ruler chibi for more accurate measures

[nimble ingot]

It is also possible that its difficult to get an accurate measurement.

It is exciting to see similar measurements. Which help narrow down the true size.

[hushed steeple]

65.9-74.9 is my final estimate for abyss krill.

[nimble ingot]

props to you and all who have taken time out of your day to measure a corrupted flying dragon-shrimp.

[hushed steeple]

My measurements could be a bit off as the krill was likely curved since it’s constantly going in a circle in that circular room.

[hushed steeple]

Also, about the coral thing.
Dinoflagellates are a type of plankton that cause harmful algae blooms and are what make the cool blue glow in the ocean sometimes. Some also are a symbiont for corals. In this circumstance they are called Zooxanthellea. They photosynthesize and produce TONS of oxygen for the coral which allows the corals to make their bones. Another cool thing about Zooxanthellea is they are the color you see on corals!
Therefore coral is a two in one light creature in sky!

[sturdy wyvern]

So I found this size chart to compare the final estimate to whales, and it turns out that krills are about the size of a small blue whale…

[hushed steeple]

WOAH!!!

[sturdy wyvern]

Now imagine the size of the mega krill o_o

[hushed steeple]

w o a h