lore-discussion-spoilers

[fossil ore]

I haven't played the game in like months, probably a year. and im not sure if I would come back for the lore and story of it, knowing that all my friends are gone and haven't logged in probably forver

[heady sequoia]

ive noticed thats quite common in sky

[fossil ore]

yea it's a social game

[heady sequoia]

no like
the mass waves of inactive people
i dont think people are supposed to leave that much methink

[untold notch]

you can make new friends

[fossil ore]

it's mostly either bcz:
-work
-school
-toxic players
-lack of content
-burn out grinding
-not much of plot

[frigid tinsel]

Tbh you could prob read the book The Little Prince or a summary of it cos even though the collab changed events in the book to fit with Sky’s universe, TLP & the rose’s reationship is the same.

[heady sequoia]

TLP’s season is essentially just the plot of the book but with the player inserted in

[frigid tinsel]

The player is the fox

[fossil ore]

Oh, can you tell me the events that are in Sky's?

[frigid tinsel]

Basically the TLP quests

[fossil ore]

Oh and also other games have better graphics, story or anything else.

[frigid tinsel]

Tbf Sky’s graphics are hella impressive given it started solely on smartphones

[fossil ore]

So the relationship stays the same? they both love each other, but they're too young to love that the prince left.

[frigid tinsel]

I interpret their relationship as a toxic relationship and TLP left for independence even though he still loved the rose

Btw you can turn off pings when replying

[fossil ore]

that's true.

[cold sparrow]

honestly, that happens with every game
even the big mmorpgs don't keep players engaged for years straight (not a lot of them, anyway)
people tend to fall off after a few months, if not years, and some of them may return for the next expansion
the reason why you may notice that more for sky is because it's a core mechanic to befriend random players, especially newbies
while on WoW I think it's rare that someone just befriends a lvl 1 they dont know and accompany them through the first 6 hours of gameplay

[fossil ore]

Do I really have to go back to the game knowing how abandoned my friend lists are? It can give me some emotional-

[heady sequoia]

youre right, its not something unique to sky but its def more noticeable given that sky is explicitly a game meant for socializing? i think? WoW has combat and fighting too, but for sky, outside of what is more or less chores theres not much to distract the player

[fossil ore]

Another reason is that, Sky's gameplay is quite repetitive. grinding for candles, visiting areas, all for some particles and cosmetics. Other games that include grinding can have some form of variety and formality.

[frigid tinsel]

There’s other things to do in Sky. I, for instance, like playing music and learning songs

[fossil ore]

I seriously have to huh

[fossil ore]

Oh ya that.

[cold sparrow]

grinding for specific resources (or drops, if you want a specific weapon or outfit) is nothing new or foreign to MMORPGs either
It might be that WoW and FF14 today are handling that much better with quests and such, I haven't played the former a lot and the latter not at all yet
but I remember grinding for hours in Ragnarok Online just to get a card with a stat bonus for the weapon I want to explore new areas, with drop rates as low as 0,01%
and in Aion they apparently even added grind bots as an ingame feature

sure, there's a lot to critique on Sky's relationship to candles as a currency for friendships and cosmetics, and how that puts a lot of pressure and FOMO, especially on newer players who still need or want to get all the things
but you don't have to cr until you burn out, I usually dip out after 10 or so candles a day and that's an enjoyable hour of dailies and CR.. that's a lunch break for me
and there are plenty of other things to do in Sky too, if you want a break from grinding
be it playing music, sitting in a pretty spot and watching the scenery, or just being silly with some friends

sure, Sky does not have a lot of content in terms of story - it doesn't have hours of text-based quests that require you to slay 20 enemies or get an item from a to b (things that can also get very repetitive and have you skip through way too many windows of dialogue, from my experience with WoW)
but if that is what you want from a game, then maybe Sky isn't the right game for you
which is fine, because they, there are many other games out there!
but I think Sky is still a wonderful game as is, with a relaxing atmosphere and enough new content in the form of Season and Dailies that keep it fresh to stay with it for a long while

tl;dr: Sky isn't the only game that basically has you doing chores/grinding as a core mechanic
but also that's not all that Sky is or has to be

[untold notch]

grinds are generally optional in ff14 I will say

[heady sequoia]

i think skys biggest problem is that it doesnt have any overarching lore, because even if mmos have grindy quests they still have That Thing to motivate people

still a game i would ply though (i loooooovr music instruments so muchfhfhdj)

[untold notch]

i mean it sort of does but it's like. Not Clear if you only play the game and don't go on discord or whatever

[fossil ore]

I actually like a lot of things from sky, and sky helps me better socialize since im an anxious kid. Sky just so happen to have lots of great cosmetics. Sky is great game, with Season of Aurora giving the best concert, and made lots of youtubers make analytical videos that goes "Sky: the future of online interaction". Great essay btw

[cold sparrow]

see, I wouldn't exactly consider that a 'problem'
just that different games have different focal points
like, if I go into a Final Fantasy game, MMO or not, I would expect to experience a story that lasts for several hours, if not days
if I go into a TGC game, I expect a minimalistic artistic experience that is more feeling that words
if Sky had NPCs with quests that tell you the story in dialogue and all that, that would be a very different experience

[untold notch]

there is definitely lore (why would this channel exist if there wasn't) but it's definitely not conventional

[nimble ingot]

The devs stated they use an emotional storytelling method for the game.
While it certainly delivers on emotional experiences, there are parts of the lore that were left blank, unanswered.

[heady sequoia]

myeah skys definitely more of a linear experience , im kind of surprised how long its been stretched out as compared to journey, even though theyre similar in fundamentals

[balmy spoke]

Lp, and i have to say, i wouldn't want it any whare else, i get it's a self contained story, its fine, but it helps me see sky isn't the place for words, i prefer the fun emote stories, though i get the earlier seasons didn't have much in terms of that due to well, lack of emotes,i do wish there was some, well not exactly reimagining, but touch ups from time to time when more emotes are added

[sharp lichen]

I have said this before, but here goes:

Although Sky has an incredibly interesting way it tells its lore, the ways of accessing the lore is frustrating and convoluted in too many ways.

[balmy spoke]

Better than journals lying around

[sharp lichen]

It’s typical of any game, especially a social one. As the old players eventually go away from Sky, the new players come to fill in their place

[balmy spoke]

Sky is a complete game too.
Many people don't even return past their first eden experience as a moth, the people who do stay want to, to say the least? Even for a short time afterwards.

As for myself, sky is a 2hour thumb fiddler and i get to chat along the way, game play wise is nothing to me but a medium to talk to people through a medium/persona

[sharp lichen]

Work or school usually doesn’t throw off a player permanently, toxic players are uncommon in Sky relative to other games, lack of content is somewhat true, burnout is true but it’s facilitated by the players, lack of plot is moreso about the inaccessibility than anything else

[frigid tinsel]

You underestimate how intense some schools and jobs are

[sharp lichen]

Christ, I’ve been playing continuously for three years. I sometimes see friends I haven’t met since I was a moth randomly pop up and it’s so odd. Like imagine how different it would be if I spent time with them instead of other friends. But now, I try to friend moths, Sky streamers, and anyone friendly enough.

[untold notch]

the plot is strangely inaccessible if you're only playing the game that is very true

[fossil ore]

I had to learn add maths

[fossil ore]

Shouldn't there supposed to be an animation project of sky? At least, in the works?

[balmy spoke]

In the works, yes

[untold notch]

it is in the works yes

[sharp lichen]

Even still, it’s still not directly in the game

[fossil ore]

Nowadays, my emotions are very stale. Whatever is in fiction usually won't make me feel anything, but there are times where it does. Sky, despite its emotional story telling and games that aimed to evoke emotions, doesn't affect me much. But i do sometimes recognize the emotional aspect of it

[fossil ore]

So how do you access the plot?

[untold notch]

this discord is a good place

especially for season of shattering, each memory had a poem associated with it that only really got posted here and probably on twitter, those are in the pins of this channel

[sharp lichen]

There is also a document containing basic information that could be considered canon: https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

[fossil ore]

I'll read that in the morning

[nimble ingot]

Agreed.

The game does focus on the connection, therefore joining a community is a good idea.

[cold sparrow]

Personally, i think the way Sky tells and treats is story is fine the way it is
All you need to know is in the game
It might not be obvious to most players from the start, but those interested in the lore can dive deeper into it, whether it is by revisiting every corner of sky's world and discovering the details for themselves and trying to draw conclusions, or seeking out other players to talk with

It's not easily accessible, no, but it doesn't need to be
the way Sky tells its story is very compelling, i think

[sharp lichen]

I really still think the Shattering poems should’ve been there in the game in some form, though

[nimble ingot]

Agreed

[cold sparrow]

yeah those are nice
would have been lovely to get them told ingame like the rose told its story

[vague wave]

i feel like they maybe couldve had something you could click on that would display the poem, maybe with some visuals as well

[balmy spoke]

Journals lore trope, I don't think they fit in sky

[static zephyr]

Ya it’s more fun with the visuals and drawings

What is this resident evil?

[balmy spoke]

The prophecy walls would be a way
But converting poem into mural is a tad a
Hard and where too

[cold sparrow]

I think a bit of it is allowing yourself to get immersed in the world
It's how much you allow yourself to buy into the story and get invested

(but if that staleness is something you feel even outside of fiction - if you haven't yet - I would recommend to maybe consider therapy because this sort of apathy could be a symptom of depression, among things
I'm just pointing that out out of concern. taking care of your mental health is important )

[static zephyr]

I’m not really playing sky as much as I used to since I’m going through a burn out but I’m still a somewhat active member of the lore channel

[fossil ore]

Thank you for the suggestion. I said staleness as in I don't feel much emotion whatever fictional media evokes emotion to ppl. But ihave gone to therapy, has it helped me? Not really

[static zephyr]

I wish you luck mate although I don’t fully understand your situation I do hope you get better!

[fossil ore]

Thank you!

[fossil ore]

Thats a cool sticker

[frigid tinsel]

sorry for the interruption I am just testing something
emulate

[pastel brook]

Using emulators is against the Sky TOS, @frigid tinsel. Please don’t use or discuss emulators here.

[rigid mural]

emulate

[pastel brook]

Using emulators is against the Sky TOS, @rigid mural. Please don’t use or discuss emulators here.

[nimble ingot]

Thinking of the Steam poem:

This world was once so full of Light. With it, we built a Kingdom in the clouds. But darkness came, and the stars fell. Now we are trapped in these realms.

Wake, Child, and remember...

This is familiar to the mural in Dawn (also, Baud's argument rings true here since the mural had subtitles. TGC should consider doing more of those.)

A kingdom in the clouds sounds about right, except for the dreams village, wasteland and even Dawn. Which makes me wonder if these were hints at parts of the kingdom living under the clouds, under a class of ancestors that put themselves apart from the lower class.
This could possibly be a motive for the cause of the war. A faction of ancestors that fought the other class.
If so, instead of mending the divide with uniting with each other and living in harmony, they instead divided themselves and fought.

Also, the part about the the child waking up and remembering.
We know our skykids are reborn each time they return to Home. While we naturally know what happens each time we come back since our first rebirth. We never got to learn on where we came from before the first rebirth. Who we were when we first woke up, or what happened.
We don't know, therefore don't remember.

Random thought, what if Home in Sky was something like a birthplace for skykids to meet the ancestors. Who would adopt skykids and take them to their respective realms?

[nimble ingot]

More text from the Steam page:

Here, lost Ancestor spirits will guide you through a peaceful Kingdom and all its seven realms. Your mission is to return them to the stars; to do so, you will need compassion, courage, and a sense of wonder.
...
In Sky, you’ll play as a Child of Light, spreading hope through a desolate kingdom and guiding Ancestor spirits back to their homes in the constellations.

Welp, now we can confirm the canon on a few things here:
Firstly, that Sky has 7 realms.
Which means Eden was once a realm, that would have had ancestor spirits, and an Elder. And may still be saved.
But that would likely be up to us skykids to do it.

Our mission is to return the ancestors spirits to the stars.
This has been a long standing canon that has been confirmed in the past. However this just strengthens and reaffirms this fact with the updates to the Dawn mural that first described this to us in the game.
The Wing Light (formerly called Stars) may still be connected to this theory, since they do play a role in Eden.
What I found interesting is despite the changes made of how back when the game was first developed, we were sacrificing emotes in Eden. Which in turn represented us skykids shepherding the memories of the ancestors through Eden.
Then an update was made that changed the system of reliving memories after sacrificing them with adding Stars (Winged Light).
While sacrificing and reclaiming wing light takes the place of skykids shepherding the spirits through Eden. The ancestors still get to play a role in this chapter of the game, and this is best shown in Orbit where the ancestors are ascended and give us skykids more Winged Light (Stars) to help us along the Journey.
We have another piece of this mystery of these Children of Light in Sky.

This is exciting, folks.

[pastel oyster]

Hello! New convert to Sky lore explorations here. I’ve not relived all the Shattering memories but has anyone theorised about the void scene before Orbit? Where you hug the gold sky kid? It’s the same grey non-space to the shattering voids so seems related to the Eden explosion/memories of those events?

I enjoy the mystery of that space and the music. Feel like I need to watch Aurora concert too

[balmy spoke]

it's in home too, you'd need piggyback rocket or some other means to gether there. it's an oob.
fly up, place a table look out behind the wardrobe, should be on the oceon floor, that's your goal. bring a light too.

[nimble ingot]

Welcome to the lorechat

These 'dark rooms' are certainly similar and may be connected.
Sadly, there is not much beyond the looks and context that we can use to connect these events.

What we do know is these spaces and memory shards are all related to the Eye of Eden Crystal.
Since the devs did explain that this season would run a bit differently than other seasons. It is very interesting to see a season that has no recognisable ancestor spirits we can relive their memories from, gain their emotes, or know their story.

Like the shards, the story is thrown across the realms and us skykids are left to find the pieces.

[sharp lichen]

I have a video about this!

But in short:

The connection is that they both symbolize overwhelming darkness

The golden Sky kid is a representation of our own light helping us

In the Shattering memory,we see the same thing happening to another Skykid

[nimble ingot]

He does and has done a great job laying out the theory and going over evidence.

Would recommend checking it out to see how lore theorists look at the lore in Sky.

[sharp lichen]

I think Home used to be a much larger place that was technically a part of Isle but not entirely, like how the Wind Paths was in relation to the Hidden Forest. However, now it’s just a tiny island

[pastel oyster]

That makes sense, thanks!

I shall enter the rabbit hole

[sharp lichen]

If you want, I have a more detailed video about the entirety of Shattering here: https://youtu.be/azczOulpIbk

[frigid tinsel]

Interesting you say golden child because previously they were white

[nimble ingot]

If that would mean the Home island would look anything like the old Dawn, or Aviary.
Then I would whole heartedly agree and support the theory.

Besides, Home has been slowly changing and seemingly grown larger over the years.
So you have that going for you

[sharp lichen]

Even now, it’s a different shade of gold than the winged lights

[balmy spoke]

wish the ice rink stayed, so much mindless fun to be had

[nimble ingot]

It's still there.
Just without the Spongebob SquarePants' logic water.

[pastel oyster]

Ah interesting I’ve been playing since 2021 on and off but hadn’t noticed the change!

[untold notch]

white people are no longer canon 🎉 /jest

[frigid tinsel]

I made these a while ago

[nimble ingot]

???
(I saw the jest btw)

[untold notch]

yeah I was ignoring them for the sake of the bit

[frigid tinsel]

TLP is a ghost now and Aurora is blue

[cold sparrow]

ohh wow
I get that the change was probably made to have it match the shattering void, but that first image is the most stunning th

[pastel oyster]

I suppose if you wanted to read into that, things were getting steadily lighter and lighter until something went wrong in Feb 2023. What did we do, TGC? Haha

But yes probs just to match shattering then

[sharp lichen]

I think Home is a good representation of what Isle looked like before it became a desert.

Being an island means it’s more humid, so it avoided the curse that brought Isle to its knees, but Ancestors still left it probably because of over-extraction and flooding

[frigid tinsel]

We know what Isle looked like before it became a desert. It’s shown in the Switch Release trailer

[untold notch]

and in runaway!

[midnight spindle]

Thanks for the link, I enjoyed watching your theories just now. :)

[oblique cedar]

I'd like to slip in a little piece of information I know, you guys might be able to make use of it.

I once came across a post on sky lore a while back and found out that the "golden sky kid" you help up is... The prince. The prompt that comes up to hug him is named something along the lines of "prince hug" in the files. (This bit of information I obtained was probably 5 months ago and I can't seem to find it's source anymore.)

Some people also speculate that the prince and the king are the same person thanks to the concept art by Tom Zhao where the king had the silhouette of the prince on his head.

With that said, it kinda connects the dots when you realize that putting your friends in the favorite list forms the crown constellation, aka the Eden constellation.

[static zephyr]

eden stares at you menacingly

[nimble ingot]

I recall it being "king hug"
It is inportant to note it was a file name. It was an old piece of lore and may not be credible based on 2 factors.
1- its a dilename which may give hints to what the devs would call things. But can also be inconsistent. (See the whale in sky and its relevant call named King fish, Bug fish, fish call and the spirit being called Whale Whisperer.)
2- in concept art, there were a few early ideas that suggests the King and Sky prince being part of the story. But was later on removed.
While the king could still be in the lire in some way. The actual charater is absent.

[sharp lichen]

Wait, how do you even get the filename for Sky stuff anyways?

[oblique cedar]

I didn't really look for it on my own, it was just a post I came across at some point.

[flint bolt]

they when from a cosmic ghost, to a grey playdoe statue, and to a night light salt lamp.

[grim python]

They were always golden actually, the lighting broke around prophecy (screenshots from rhythm)

wuh reply failed
whatever I was replying to the golden child talk from before

[flint bolt]

WHY IS HE FLOATIN

[untold notch]

chibi behavior tbh

[spark island]

Nah but why does forest elder snatch our light 😦

[sharp lichen]

Impatience is cool now

[lusty merlin]

i mean if i was trapped in a limbo for god knows how long, and also like to build, liked to create but cant as i need light, i'd snatch that flame too

[native galleon]

someone here had a cool theory about how the elders use our light in ways that represent their approach to it in general ima see if i can find it

[untold notch]

that may have been Salem? I don't remember

[native galleon]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message yeah it was salem

i think this was one of the things i saw early on that made me go “ooh that’s neat”, look up what darkstone is and become the lore gremlin i am today

[keen shore]

THAT IS AN HONOR TO HEAR I AM SO GLAD

[queen pike]

pardon me asking, but what are emulators?

[pastel brook]

Using emulators is against the Sky TOS, @queen pike. Please don’t use or discuss emulators here.

[queen pike]

well, why don't you tell me what they are you annoying cluster of code?

[native galleon]

i think google is your best bet for that one

[queen pike]

oh i found out what they are

still doesn't explain why skybot pings me every time i saw the e word.

[native galleon]

because they are against the rules simple as

[queen pike]

i can see why it might be bad, but when ever i say the e word in a different context, like for example, i want to try to emulate someone i see as a role model, it can get a bit annoying.

i should probably stop talking now.

[native galleon]

me finding out what darkstone is:

[sharp lichen]

#general-sky-discussion message

Reminds me of this

[untold notch]

it does get annoying yes

[native galleon]

LMAO WAIT

the ancestors finding out what darkstone is:

[lusty merlin]

Tbh I don’t think they went into darkstone intentionally knowing the environmental effects it would have

[proud obsidian]

Ugh, I've been waiting for 5 months,,, just to see sky invite

And this freaking app called discord didn't show me a notification that sky sent an invite

F, im done with this game

Bye people

[untold notch]

this is not the beta chat friend

[cold sparrow]

a) As pointed out above, this channel is not for the beta, it's for talking about the story of Sky
b) Are you aware that you don't need a beta invite to play the game? The beta invites are for the version of the game where unfinished features are tested. Testing the game would require you to interact more with the discord server too.
But there is a live version of Sky that you can play without a beta invite.

[nimble ingot]

I think they meant they got upset for not getting the invite for beta in time, because according to them, their discord.
And them posting here is either out of convenience, or just because they wanted to express their frustration here.

Either case, they simply made a statement and that is that.

Back to the lore.

The guide for passage could possibly the first spirit we meet in the game that can help understand how masks work.
They are a mask maker, one who supposedly specialises in animal masks since this is all the masks we see them making.

Not sure if these masks would either mean that the spirits native to Dawn preferred animals or had another reason for using masks that are more animalistic.
Or if these teenaged season spirits would continue to use these masks into adulthood or not.
However, it is likely that ancestors can change their masks whenever they like. Since the season spirits start out with basic humanoid masks and then take the animal masks for each quest. (which makes them the only ancestor spirits who changes their masks in the game. At least that I know of)

Perhaps the reason why the ancestors in the game don't change their masks is to ensure they are recognisable to players. That or the devs possibly did not have a reason to do so.
With this season being about a passage and change, these spirits have a reason now. Similar to certain season spirits who make appearances in events and change parts of their cosmetics (such as jellyfish whisperer changing to the days of rainbow pants for example).

This may also extend to an old theory discussion in Season of Dreams, where the questions about the appearance of the spirits being related to their work.
Which in turn could explain why the postman wears a rabbit mask. Because the spirit is fast like a rabbit. Or the skater being a phoenix because they rose to fame from humble beginnings. Like a phoenix from the ashes.

[native galleon]

Yeah i know it’s joke sorry

All my serious hcs are very against the idea of anyone in the game being intentionally evil, it’s all about them making mistakes and just trying their best but being flawed imo ! the meme is just a meme

[lusty merlin]

Ahh okok I just couldn’t tell it was a joke and all

[native galleon]

Sorry I thought the meme format would show that but i will be more clear in the future

[marble lynx]

I want to know where is this document with this picture?

[cold sparrow]

ask on that post?

[sharp lichen]

I believe this is an original creation not explicitly created from any existing document

[native galleon]

“my lore doc” implies that it’s their personal reference

[nimble ingot]

give me a minute

[nimble ingot]

Where did you get this image?

[marble lynx]

saw this post on sky fb official group

[nimble ingot]

welp, can't find much. Nevermind

[cold sparrow]

as I said, you will probably need to ask that person, preferably on that post
not sure if they're in this discord

[marble lynx]

Baudshaw told me he's gone

[nimble ingot]

Wonder what theorists on reddit, tumblr or even on Steam would be up to?

[marble lynx]

when he said "Go check out lorechat in official sky discord", I thought he put the document here, silly me

[marble lynx]

I finally got it, he sent the entire folder to me after I asked him

[frigid tinsel]

That’s Jam, hell

[marble lynx]

I don't even know who is he before Baudshaw tell me about him

[frigid tinsel]

Be glad he’s gone

[sharp lichen]

The pfp was like a horrific surprise

[nimble ingot]

Wonder why is it important for skykids to be capeless in certain quests.
Would it be for skykids to relate to the ancestors more who are also capeless, or unable to fly?
Would it be a test for the skykid to prove able to complete without wings (talk about being humble)?
Is it because the game needs players to rely on each other more and/or not fly around?
Or would it be so for the skykids to be in a similar state as skykids who existed with the ancestors? As we have not really met another skykid/child of light in a memory with a cape. Aside from players.

The last question actually reminds me of a brief period of time in the development of Sky: Light Awaits. Where skykids were given their capes by a figure similar to the one we hug in Eden. Except they were wearing a cape and would give their light to the child of darkness to become a skykid.

Speaking of light and dark.
A skykid can also be a hybrid in terms of their name.
The sky can be both light and dark. As the sun shines in the day, and the moon shines at night.
Skykids are like an eclipse. The child of both the light (sun) and the dark (moon)

[untold notch]

it's definitely so they can't cheat by flying

[sharp lichen]

I think that it restricts the Skykids by making the situation more comparable to how the Ancestors would have attempted the trials.

[hazy vine]

Technically

[inland cliff]

a spy is in our base!

[hazy vine]

Medic!

[signal zenith]

What's the story of sky?

[lime tapir]

So I've had an idea bouncing around my head for a few days and I think I need to write it out so I can get farther in this line of thought.
Warning, this is going to get long and a sci-fi trope but I think it has a foundation to stand on.
A fair amount of current theory speculates that the Eden crystal shattered on "activation" and did something to the Elders. That the Elders aren't spirits like the rest of the ancestors are. We know that they were front and center at the event from the shard memories. The shattering broke their connection with reality or altered them in some form. Obviously it did ugly things to the Eden mountain top. Entirely possible that it was also the source of whatever made the krill/dark dragons.
Ok so, big event. Huge energy release. Alters aspects of reality. What if it also altered time? What if that energy release/blast wave/whatever, traveled back through time the farther it traveled away from the origin and altered the realms farther and farther back in time?

First, let's start closer to the shattered crystal. Eden is a mess. Destroyed in big ways. Not going to be very useful for comparison but in the first zone you can see an extensive complex of buildings and industrial infrastructure. Take the down hill path to avoid the flying rocks but take a right and walk to the top of the leaning wall. A huge vista of rooftops of an industrial zone.

Second, The Vault. That is some really advanced technology to build a vast space in a "tower" and have controlled floating platforms. It is also really old. So old in fact that there is an archaeological project to find even more of itself. That's like taking the Smithsonian, mix in something like a monastery (not for the religion but for the living where you work and train apprentices) but then make it so old that it had forgotten some of itself. 200, 300, 500 years old?

Third, Golden Wasteland. Industrialized but not as advanced as The Vault. Big things happened with processing varying light animals into darkstones(?), Harvesting their light somehow? And lots of environmental impacts. Very late stage industrial environmental damage. Smog, toxic water, desertification, etc. But again not as advanced as The Vault. Massive multi-level structure, where even in disrepair that it is, the walls go away on the inside. Huge void spaces where large constructs hang and transparent mantas fly. Yes, GW is ravaged by war. But still no evidence as anything on the scale of the Vault.

Fourthly, Valley. Prosperous, darkstones used in non-utilitarian ways, a larger populace where challenge and entertainment reign. Necessities don't have to be worked for and leisure is everywhere. The Elders don't lead, they play games. But none of the devastating environmental damage is showing, yet.

5th, Forest. More rustic architecture. People need to genuinely work. Why are there light miners doing all that work by hand, when in Valley darkstone power is everywhere? Wouldn't they be using some form of light power tech to make mining more efficient if it is also being used for ski lifts? Why are they mining at all? In GW, they are/were processing light animals. And evidence of darkstone usage is all over but in Forest, the only place I remember it is in the temple for the doors. It is rarity and reserved for special usage. Could this be farther back in time then Valley and even farther back then GW?

You probably see where I am going with this. We could be traveling in time as well as in physical distance when we go through the Home arches. Not only does the realms symbolize the stages of growth and aging for a person, they also symbolize, are, the growth and aging of a civilization.

In Isle, darkness happened and the stars fell. Maybe they didn't know what the cause was because it wasn't in their time but shattered back through time.
It's the cave of prophecy and we have the four prophets because none of that has happened yet. The golden person that gathers all four elements, gifts powers to the 6 groups/tribes and pulls everyone together on top of a mountain and has a big happy glowing, nondestructive, event that is shown in the murals, hasn't been born yet.

Thank you for putting up with me. Last little bit and I'll stop.
I believe that we can see this time difference even within a realm. The gateway between the Bird Nest and the Village in Daylight Prairie has a big discrepancy and looks different depending on which side of the gate you are on. Be on the Bird Nest side and look towards the village. There is an arch and you have two big flat stones under your feet. Be on the village side and there is no arch but two small bells. Look down and there are hints of two flat stones covered in dirt and grass. I don't believe that this is a mistake or TGC just being too busy to fix it. I believe that it is on purpose. The Village is farther forward in time than the Birdnest is. Some spirit gates shift you in time as well as in space.
This is not perfect and has some holes. I'm working on it. Let me know what you think.

[nimble ingot]

Interesting theory

[midnight finch]

Whats the general lore of sky? i'm a bit lost

[nimble ingot]

Sky in a nutshell:
You are an unsupervised child who can talk to the dead, can fly with stardust like peter pan, wears a cape like a superhero and inherited a broken world of darkness which you have to restore/cleanse with the power of friendship, a candle and a dream.

[midnight finch]

😭 in a way i can explain it to my partner and she'll understand

[nimble ingot]

You are a skykid.
The world of Sky is full of magic.
There used to be entire kingdoms with ancestors in them. Who are now lost spirits (ghosts) and the world is abandoned and broken.

Your mission is to help the spirits and restore the balance between Light and Darkness. The positive and negative energies of the world.

Does this help?

[midnight finch]

yes thank you

[nimble ingot]

There is naturally much more to the game than this. But that just adds on to what I summarised.
(mind you, it is my interpretation of the lore. Other folks here are welcome to share their take).

[small flint]

Is there like specific lore about the elders ? O.o

[sharp lichen]

Although it’s not confirmed exactly, there are some things we know, located in the document.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

@midnight finch this can help as well

@small flint stuff for you here at the end. But basically, Elders are the rulers of the realms, with powers that are given to them that help the realm

[sharp lichen]

I don’t think it exactly turned back time, but I still think time was distorted in some way.

I suppose the problem for me with time travel is that the Elders still look the same age. Also, places like the Wind Paths would be far more odd with time travel involved.

I’m not saying it’s a bad theory, but my own theory is that each realm has had different relations with time (Isle has toggle-able nights, Prairie has sunsets, etc.)

[bitter ore]

So my friend and I were having a chat and we are curious about the lore of the Mega bird, does anyone have any info on it

[summer marsh]

I’m pretty sure it’s like the God of Sky, but nothing around it is really confirmed to my knowledge. From what I hear from other people’s theories is that it’s the source of Light/Life in Sky.

[sharp lichen]

Megabird seems to be an originator/progenitor of The Light, an all-encompassing force which consists of all light in the world

We see it as a massive supercluster of light in the game at the end credits and in other places I think

[nimble ingot]

Megabird (also mentioned in concept art as the Bird of Light) is a creature/being in Sky.
Little to no information is found about the Megabird in the game itself. The only instances we have of the creature are the constellation that could be the Megabird itself in Orbit (simply look up and you'll see it), a mural of it in the water surrounding the portal to the Office, as well as a few hints to the creature seen in the murals on the Forgotten Ark, and on a doorframe to the Day Temple.

Sadly, there was another instance of it in the game that was removed in a recent update. Which were statues of a bird found in the Boneyard (Hidden Forest) and in the ruins of the Battlefield (Wasteland). You are no longer able to find these statues in the game that stuck around since the global release in 2020.
All because they had a small feature to send skykids home with an interact button. As a dev mentioned, it was supposedly was confusing to moths which led them to remove the entire statue instead of the feature itself.

There is more to the Megabird that can be learned from the concept art of the game. Most of which can be seen on TomZhao's art gallery.
This is where we got the name Megarbid/ Bird of Light.
The creature that seemingly is the culmination of Light, and is responsible for returning the Light to the world.

[bitter ore]

Ok thanks everyone

[lime tapir]

My thoughts on the Elders are that we are not seeing the Elder of the time era that the rest of the realm is existing in. I'm theorizing that the difference in time between realms is hundreds of years. The time difference between Isle and Eden could be well over a thousand years. Who we meet is the same Elder that was at the shattering event. They were torn from the timeline and it is their strong connection to their realm that keeps them where they are. There are some holes in this as well but I'm working on it. Could be that I'm entirely wrong.

I've got thoughts on the wind paths as well. Specifically that we had to open them after they were close by some form of darkness (shattering blast wave). But I need to get to work.

[sand ruin]

are spirits have gender?? sorry if it's a bit silly question

[lusty merlin]

Will refer you to this pin here

[sand ruin]

ok!! thx

[untold notch]

none gender left beef

[sand ruin]

i guess it's have sense to make spirit "gender less" thx for show me an answer!!

[lusty merlin]

Ya anytime!

[sand ruin]

Also lore question, why is there no mask of elder isle of dawn??

[native galleon]

dawn was banned from the group chat /j

[untold notch]

there's a lot of theories

[cold sparrow]

it's in the ground under the grass 😆

[untold notch]

one I can remember is that they are the door

[lusty merlin]

First time I’ve heard that one

[lusty merlin]

Sooo astral pointing it out but the figure in this promo image and the animation trailer seem to have pants that are a mix of the two passage pants, along with the manta ocarina

So that’s like a possible third hint towards the animation trailer in passage: the other one being the crabs in forest yet that’s a stretch

And also the seals for nature in another trailer appear too!

Just think it’s cool there seems to be a lot of connections to the project recently

[untold notch]

goes silly

[lusty merlin]

Also goes silly

[lunar badger]

I've discussed this issue with the local community as well. But there is no clear answer.

[keen shore]

The door itself might represent them! Most doors in Sky are modeled in the same shape as their altar, implying the two are related, and this could be a continuation of that :-)

[lusty merlin]

Oo i never thought it that way but that is cool

[native galleon]

so maybe they ARE the door after all

[nimble ingot]

It is also possible since the King is not in Eden anymore, the realm was left without an elder. So the others had to take over.
Except for the Dawn elder for some reason.

While am not a fan of the Dawn elder cutscene showing all the realm constellations instead of just Dawn's. It is an interesting contrast how Dawn's scene shows all the realms (except Eden's), and Eden has all the realm's elders (except Dawn's)
Tutorial realm or not, lore is lore.

[untold notch]

the mental image of dawn being the door makes me giggle

[sharp lichen]

Unfortunately, we know very little about the exact time period of the Sky Kingdoms. Except for one thing, in the switch trailer, in where it shows a time that is “centuries before”

[nimble ingot]

Here is something to look at when it comes to Sky.
Altrusim

I'd ellaborate on this. Though truthfully would inevitably end up writing a wall of text.
Though would much rather leave the chat open to anyone to give this a shot.

source: https://variety.com/2019/gaming/news/altruism-is-paramount-in-thatgamecompanys-sky-1203166700/

[native galleon]

seems like maybe they had beef with each other eheh

i’m not saying it definitely happened, but i’m saying it sure does look that way

[pallid dust]

Sorry, maybe I didn't notice something, but where did the art on the bench come from?

[lusty merlin]

Promo image for Mundo Digitales for i believe an article yet i forget what it’s about

[nimble ingot]

Its a bilingual magazine that featured the game and the animation project.
I can find the link for you if you like to read.
Parts of it is in Spanish, though there are English sections as well.

original message: #lore-discussion-spoilers message
Link to pdf: https://www.mundosdigitales.org/media/catalogos/web/MD_2022.pdf

[keen shore]

What are your thoughts on spirits from the first four seasons, who are all part of the same seasonal groups, giving the implication they all existed at the same time, and who are present in 6 of the realms?

Some of these interact with non-seasonal spirits from the same realm — Piggyback Lightseeker interacts with Rejecting Voyager, for example. Crab Whisperer’s memory has a corpse that is likely Saluting Captain in it. Thoughtful Director interacts with Praying Acolyte, Leaping Dancer appears in Twirling Champion and Bearhug Hermit’s memories… and so on. I’m curious to see how this would work if some of these characters are meant to be hundreds or thousands of years apart.

[sharp lichen]

Depends on how long spirits last for. If they have similar life cycles to humans, it may explain the spirit connections, but then the Sky geography gets more confusing (such as how some realms took only a few years to go from completely fine to devastated wastelands)

In general, it’s a good idea to just not confront stuff about time with how confusing it is and pray that the Animation Project saves everything, and when it doesn’t, wallow in despair

[nimble ingot]

The age old element of Sky lore:
"Open to Interpretation"

Where the canon lore gets tossed out the window. But at least it leaves plenty of space for fanon.

[untold notch]

I'm pretty sure that is the canon

[sharp lichen]

We know there is canon, but it’s difficult and unneeded to debate to understand what is canon and what isn’t in some cases.

[timid ember]

Are these cannon? Pls somsbody tell meeeee

[marble lynx]

Kind of, ||after we die in the PNR, we will see a golden / white sky kid in the pity room, that's the prince||

[timid ember]

WOAH I WAS PLANNING DRAWING MOTH HUGGING PRINCE IN HIS ACTUAL FORM- wait- ||is prince dead?||

[marble lynx]

||maybe they're trapped inside the Eden diamond? (refer the Shattering last quest) ||

[timid ember]

||sounds more like that, but it feels like hes more like trapped soul or smth,, we can discuss in that in dms if u want||

[lusty merlin]

To be honest it’s not confirmed that kid is the prince only speculation and theories
The image itself is old concept art too when sky was still being made, only figure from that image we do see would be the statues for the 2nd figure outside the golden wastelands temple

[timid ember]

Yes but, in GW theres lots of statues or something like decorations with the prince and king face/masks, so i feel like it is cannon

[uneven nova]

Gn :>

[timid ember]

Gn

[lusty merlin]

Yeah ofcorse, all I’m saying is the glowing child we see in eden isint confirmed to be the prince/king only speculated to be, but like they do exist

[trim wren]

Are the prince and the king the same person? Im still just finding out about the lore

[timid ember]

More like it is prince, the king is corrupted or something and prince attempted to escape (maybe?) but he was trapped in the eden crystal

[lusty merlin]

I assume they are it really comes down to preference, only thing we have of them is that figure in the prophecy mural and the eden mural who have the sort of star halo(?) thing but that’s it

Everything else about them is vague and speculation/personal interpretation

[nimble ingot]

The Sky prince (Alef) is one of the most elusive characters in the game due to how little evidence we can find in the concept art, let alone in the game.

The strongest evidence I know of is a note that the prince and the King are responsible for Eden.
and they are connected to each other.
Beyond that is speculation, theories that possibly refers to the prince, but has little to no evidence to support it.

[timid ember]

How did the corruption/darkness come? (if its at the start of the game sorry im stoopid)

[nimble ingot]

There are several theories, as well as timelines drawn up about it.

What is certain is that the Eden Crystal exploded/shattered. Darkness erupted from Eden and spread across the Kingdoms. The ancestors fell as the darkness took their light and their spirits were trapped in the realms, unable to pass on and ascend.

The cause is not certain, other than hints in the Dawn mural, in the Vault (all elders) cutscene mural of Eden, and Aurora's songs that imply that the Ancestors/Elders disobeyed/did not listen to the signs.
What signs, that is not certain but theorised to be how the environment degraded, the ancestors were fighting and the creatures were dying.

You are not stupid and you are ok ❤️
This is lore chat. We get up to a lot of shenanigans while in a way reliving our lore over and over again.
And not much is wrong with it, because it cannot be helped with people joining and wanting to learn about the lore.
That is kinda the point of us learning and teaching.

[pastel brook]

You want me to play you a lullaby or what?

[nimble ingot]

hush bot

[timid ember]

Thanks also, is it any possible to forever stop the darkness?

[nimble ingot]

In the words of the wise and omnipotent Ash (Sky Concept Artist)

WAFO
||Wait And Find Out||

[timid ember]

IM GONNA BE A ELDER WHEN OUR DEAR SKY KIDS FINALLY END THE DARKNESS

[nimble ingot]

I'd hope not! XD

[timid ember]

When we are called sky kids, then whos our mother?

[nimble ingot]

We are skykids because we are a descendant of the Ancestors, as well as a child of the Light (suggested by concept art as well as with the Steam description of the game).
We are however not like normal kids as we can touch fire, fly and are incredibly resilient buggers.

Supposedly, who the 'mother' and 'father' or even 'creator' could be is pretty much up to interpretation at this stage.

[lime tapir]

I didn't know that about the first 4 seasons. You've blown a rather large hole in my theory. Thank you for that information.
I need to reevaluate my theory of the shattering affecting realms at different times.

[timid ember]

Cuz i thought our mom/dad/creator is Light bc of the game name "Sky: children of the light"

[keen shore]

No problem! I’d love to hear your reevaluated theory of the timeline when you get a chance to share it!

[marble lynx]

it's just my headcanon

[nimble ingot]

Fair point.
We are called a Child of Light at times.

Interestingly, unless I am mistaken, during a playthrough with dev commentary of the game in beta (Light Awaits). Our avatars before they receive any light were referred to as a child of Darkness.

Suppose it is still the case. The us in the void hug scene is a child of dark and light coming together to become a skykid that glows brighter than the light half.
Talk about YinYang ☯️ symbolism

[cold sparrow]

now that I'm lookin closer at this image, I realize.... the 'King' doesn't look like a person themselves, but rather like a pedestal on which a smaller person (the prince, presumably) is standing, backlit by this star shape

[boreal bolt]

||what does the PNR stand for? Ive only been to eden twice ||

[timid ember]

Sounds good, but, what happens if the dark child and light child dont come along? Like they hate each other? (srry if im bombarding u w questions im just a silly moth )

[spiral furnace]

Just curious, would adding a new realm in sky contradict anything in the existing sky lore?

[cold sparrow]

Point of No Return, the spot where the game asks you if you want to continue at the end of the tunnel full of WL

[timid ember]

IVE NOTICED THAT! but i was unsure bc the quality is not great

[boreal bolt]

oh that actually makes sense im dumb LMAOOO💀

[marble lynx]

||the place you die and your wings are gone, and you see a large broken diamond||

[nimble ingot]

Point of No Return

A cave that gives you a prompt that if you pass through it, you wont be able to return home or the other realms until you complete the run in Eden.
This is also called being Storm Locked, as the realm was formerly known as Storm before it became Eden.

[spiral furnace]

Nah, it's the place in the tunnel where the games prompt you if you wish to venture deeper into eden's third area

[nimble ingot]

You are ok ❤️

In the game, you are basically stuck until you do hug the kid.

In the lore, nobody knows as far as I have heard

[boreal bolt]

Yeah i shoulda guessed that💀

what happens if you close the game and reopen it after pnr?

[cold sparrow]

that also reminds me that the 'mask' of the Corrupted King looks like the design of these turrets and temple decorations from other concept art
which makes me imagine that even the Corrupted King wasn't meant to be a full physical person... but rather a swirl of darkness that broke off a turret head as a new mask of some sort

[timid ember]

I feel like that the "king" was supposed to be the prince too, and is something like a loop where the king ascend and the prince takes the king's place

[keen shore]

Respectfully, I’ve told you several solutions to the Wasteland ‘problem’ by now, basically at every point you brought it up. My current favorite — if it helps — is that Wasteland wasn’t as bad now as it was when the explosion happened; after all, we know for sure it’s been several centuries since the ‘stars fell’ and the explosion and Wasteland is under enough cloud cover to block out the sun. [Seed of Hope’s character card might support this, as it calls the battlefield a ‘field’, which is typically grassy, but this is unclear.]

In general, it’s a good idea to just not confront stuff about time with how confusing it is and pray that the Animation Project saves everything, and when it doesn’t, wallow in despair

I get that you find timeline discussion frustrating but, as someone who genuinely loves talking about how I see the timeline, I think it’s silly to shut down all discussion of it due to that. This channel is based around using our knowledge and brains to think through the lore; where would we be if we never considered topics deeper than surface level or just waited for a future event to clear it up?

[realized I forgot to ping reply you, so @sharp lichen]

[boreal bolt]

I love this game with my heart <3

[nimble ingot]

I'd suggest you try it.

You'd find the result interesting.

If you like to know here is a hint:
||The game lets you resume your journey in Eden as something the devs assumingly added in as a fail safe in case something went wrong in your game. Although it was done in an interesting way that does not break immersion ||

[boreal bolt]

Funky... maybe ill try on beta when i actually unlcok eden

[nimble ingot]

Now you are starting to think like a Sky theorist

[nimble ingot]

beta?
Maybe?? Though would be careful.
1- I dont know what could happen
2- Beta content is not allowed here

[timid ember]

Yup hehe, but it really sounds something like little nightmares reference (if u know the game)

[boreal bolt]

Ill be so very careful

[nimble ingot]

ooh I do and like the idea as far as fanon and fanart is concerned.

[timid ember]

Yeah, and the loop was broken when the darkness escaped

But guys, can somebody tell me: ||were the dark creatures used to be light creatures before the darkness took over the sky?||

[spiral furnace]

is there a lore related reason to why the first three elders offer masks but not others?

[timid ember]

Ingame is maybe bc the other masks are still being worked on, and on the role side, idk, but in upcoming ubdates we will find out!

[nimble ingot]

That, or the loop could have began

OR even like in Back to the Future when the doc explained how the timeline can change. How it could skew into this tangent. Creating an alternate reality

[timid ember]

Thats alot of info to absorb

[nimble ingot]

Interestingly, there is confirmation that the krill (also known as Dark Dragons) were corrupted.
Which in turn implies there was once a time where there were Light Dragons

[nimble ingot]

Welcome to the dark side of Sky lore. /j

Take your time and feel free to hang around in the lore chat.

[timid ember]

But why red and blue? Why not OTHER colors?

[nimble ingot]

There is a possibility the other elders would offer their masks in a future update of the game.

[nimble ingot]

Sky colour theory:

Red = Corruption

Blue = Ancestors

Black = Death/Darkness

[timid ember]

But how abt the krill eyeball? Why is it blue and then red if it spots a skid?

[frigid tinsel]

there's a quip from one of TGC's blogposts where Jenova Chen states that dark creatures were corrupted, but we've yet to see what they used to be before corruption or even how they were corrupted.

however, in the recent Days of Nature, it's stated that the discarded fishing gear could corrupt the water, so it's plausible darkness is linked to pollution and thus creature corruption

[nimble ingot]

Possibly a combination of the lore of the colours for symbolism. And game mechanics.
Blue means be careful, and Red means run like mad to get out of sight.

Also, fun fact.
Krill may have 1 large eye, but they have 7 9 eyes. (8 smaller eyes that are hidden on the head by the bright light)

[keen shore]

Sky uses color symbolism a lot in order to accurately convey to its players what’s dangerous or safe without using words. Blue is a color associated with ‘passive’ danger (and a few other things, this one isn’t as clear as red), it won’t immediately hurt you but it’s something you should avoid. Red is a color of active danger. If you see it, you need to leave, fast.

examples of this same color progression can be found in darkstone; uncharged and uncorrupted darkstone is blue, while the corrupted darkstone that actively kills you if you stand too close is red.

[timid ember]

Woah woah woah, dont spoiler my next nightmare!

Why the image was deleted??

[native galleon]

i think it’s cool how they made the new shared memory crystals purple bc purple is associated with memory like the light in vault

[nimble ingot]

||Top image is the 4 eyes at the top of the 'nose' or head.
And the other 4 eyes are under the 'nose' or head, near the large orb that is the glowing eye. ||

(My bad)

Here is a unspoilered image of the krill's big eyes

[timid ember]

(actually it looks like a string worm)

[native galleon]

GOOGLY EYES KRILL

[timid ember]

IF TGC MADE IT LOOK LIKE THAT IF WILL BE MUCH SCARIER

[native galleon]

i think it makes it less scary tbh

[nimble ingot]

TGC taking notes for days of jest
(april fools)

[timid ember]

Sorry im afraid of those big pupils

[native galleon]

they need to do this for april fools fr

[timid ember]

OMG I GOT A AMAZING ART IDEA (dont forget to check the art channel heheheheh)

[nimble ingot]

Have crabs knock skykids to get wax.
Dark water is blue.
The sun is blue
And the ancestors all do the sparkle emote or something silly any time a skykid is near them.

[nimble ingot]

oooh!
Please do let us know when its up 🙏

[timid ember]

Wiat that reminds me of this..

[nimble ingot]

Its staring into my soul...

[native galleon]

don’t say that man 😐

[timid ember]

And so the krill did

[keen shore]

No ableist jokes in this channel please

[timid ember]

Sorry my little brain didnt knew it sounded ableist

[nimble ingot]

Best have it deleted, please.

[dreamy saddle]

Hey so the crabs have 4 legs and crawl around so I have a theory that they could have been sky kids once? Cause like Eden makes you crawl when you get hit and the statue-fied childred in eden have similar rocky growths on them. Also the fact that crabs try to knock over sky kids (again referring to how getting knocked over in last eden area makes u crawl)
lemme know thoughts? (first screenshot of text comes from public google doc 'canon sky lore' which is just a compilation of things said by devs)

[untold notch]

this is new /positive

do you have a link to the doc you're referencing?

[earnest briar]

I like your way of thinking but also that is very messed up (in a cool way)

[dreamy saddle]

well yeah, I choose to believe that if it is true, it probably doesn't apply to all crabs, because otherwise there's connotations to the wasteland bonfire that are better avoided

oh another thing, they got glowing eyes like a sky kid i think tho id have to check other kids of crabs to confirm if they all have that feature

[earnest briar]

By your logic putting them in the bonfire could have been trying to return them to being Sky kids through extreme exposure to light to counteract their extreme exposure to darkness from Eden.

[dreamy saddle]

I think they all have glowing eyes? there are 'uncorrupted crabs' so that could be a point against this theory, since it implies crabs we see r just corrupted normal crabs.

oooh true also the wiki says that dark crabs will try to "“eat” the scattered Winged Lights fallen from the player."

[dreamy saddle]

alternatively, survivors in wasteland may well have been fully under the assumption that they're weird but normal crabs, which they may well be, since this is all just a theory. regardless, i'm trying not to speculate on it too much since it's a bit dark to think about

[dreamy saddle]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/10ZWJRGiJSrIXgDvJ4pST61moZbVB_hBExUjOaF-pmOE/edit

[untold notch]

I wonder how this doc means that forest and vault are related

[frigid tinsel]

Darkstone resources to darkstone technology

[dreamy saddle]

there's also the connection of mining. darkstone was mined in the forest, and in treasure reef we see mining done and vault researchers

[untold notch]

yes but I have to wonder if other connotations of the word also apply

[dreamy saddle]

true
"The masks of forest and vault elders look similar because they are related"
could mean related by blood or just related concepts

[untold notch]

this reminds me, I want to say vela had the idea a while ago that part of the vault was repurposed mineshafts

[dreamy saddle]

ooh, there is that tunnel that comes after the underground place (pictured here cause i forget what its called) that you use to return to entrance of it in vault

also concept art implying vault could be within a mountain rising from wasteland with eden at the top?

i mean it does have the door to eden at the end of it and you enter it from wasteland temple

[raw crypt]

“The current masks of elders represent what each of them is related to[…] The masks of forest and vault elders look similar because those are related.
The diamond which the forest elder was fixing is related to the diamonds in the vault.” while its a translation of an older stream i think it still holds ground with the darkstone connection

also hi eden elder is no longer around to be saved doc

[untold notch]

I think there's a mural in isle that suggests this as well

[dreamy saddle]

this just shows vault as a straight tower (which could be inside a mountain i mean idk)

though prophecy cave mural shoes a mountain with what could be vault within (memory lanterns, elevator, arches) and eden castle built over it

[untold notch]

the part about the summit of vault being visible (destroyed) in orbit's ascent is so

[dreamy saddle]

Ayo I never thought about that but yeah Eden’s destruction probably took of a chunk of vault with it

Which begs that question of how much of vault is a dreamlike state. Obvious area where you see elder is visible in orbit ascent, but I think I once saw a comment somewhere saying final area of vault with the door to home and Eden resembles the first area of it? Which I’d have to confirm for myself but maybe all of vault is nothing but some sort of dream or projection of memories

[frigid tinsel]

purple light nuttery

[dreamy saddle]

Yeah what are the colored lights anyways? Something to do with the wasteland ark and their spells?

[dreamy saddle]

Also the purple light room with all those stored memories… creepy

[frigid tinsel]

the magic of the colored lights were introduced in Enchantment, yea, with some elaborated upon in Prophecy with further usage in other seasons. we know some are tied to some elements – orange light to fire, cyan light to wind, green light to earth/flora & fauna, red light to darkness. it's thought that the colored lights grant the user with the abilities to control their corresponding elements or abilities that can be associated with said element if not the element directly.

purple light is more dubious but it's often associated with the mind or magic, to manifest whatever one imagines into reality. we see this when Snoozing Carpenter uses purple light to manifest the tents around the Ark. thus it's often thought that the Vault utilizes purple light to manifest the magic of its interior or it's near entirety is an "illusion," though I personally dislike the thought that it's all an illusion as if it's not real. it could be real but brought into existence by purple light.

on the contrary, purple light gone rogue or mismanged could take things out of existence, see the surroundings of the Repository of Refuge. I've seen some headcanons where purple light users sorta glitch in and out of reality if they have too much on their person

[dreamy saddle]

Ooooh

I’ve noticed isle elder has red light around staff I think it looks similar to eyes of fire trial creatures

[frigid tinsel]

there's a theory that Starlight Desert's current state is due to purple light gone rogue in the area, hence the lavender hue in the entire place. the structures the TLP spirits are found on could also be purple light constructs they manifested accidentally simply by being lost in their thoughts/vices

[dreamy saddle]

Oh that’s cool

[frigid tinsel]

which brings into the "mind" connection with purple light, how in combination with darkstone technology stores memories in memories cubes.

but I don't find it creepy. the Vault has been compared to Voyager's golden disc, seed vaults, or other long-term storage records – aspects of humankind's culture and knowledge stored safely for future generations in case all that information we find in our current present is lost to their past. so the Vault stores all that information and memory from ancestorkind for safekeeping in case future generations lose their access to it, which given Sky's circumstances wasn't a far off fear.

it's hopeful and wonderful, this desire to keep information accessible for future peoples

[sharp lichen]

I understand that, and I don’t actually mind talking about time too much; and I have my own timeline in fact.

It’s just that sometimes, I’m a bit annoyed at the lack of time-related confirmation in Sky’s lore. Although I like trying to figure out hard topics that require a lot of thought to understand, there also brings a certain satisfaction in being able to piece things together

[sharp lichen]

This image is not explicitly canon, but events relating to the figure shown here can be found in the Sky lore

[sharp lichen]

It is difficult to say. Given the nature of Sky as a live-service game, it might never end in a satisfying way.

[sharp lichen]

It’s called “children of the light” for a reason,

[frigid tinsel]

or better yet, skykids have no parents

[sharp lichen]

Point of no return

[sharp lichen]

I would say it would at this point.

The Sky devs have made an interesting method of adding things to the world through seasons, in which the existing realms are expanded upon, both literally and figuratively.

The realms in Sky represent many things: the stages of the day, the progression of human life, and the advancing of civilization. Adding a new realm entirely could drastically change that.

You can still add differing environments within the realms, though. Like the Wind Paths or the Sanctuary Islands

@boreal bolt ||Also, if you do this in the Home area, an eerie blue aurora appears over it if you fly high enough||

[sharp lichen]

Also, a very old version of Eden was blue, but they changed it to red to possibly be more threatening looking

[sharp lichen]

@dreamy saddle I have a theory on it that could help explain it, can I link it?

[dreamy saddle]

sure!

[sharp lichen]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

TLDR: Elemental orbs created by the Prophets, given to others and have powers relating to each element. Eventually, the orbs scatter through the world and we have to find/recover them in the Enchantment quests.

[dreamy saddle]

oooh fascinating thank you!!

[boreal bolt]

thats so cool!

[untold notch]

what in the skybox

[earnest briar]

So how we feeling about Light Starfish in that artpiece in #news

[untold notch]

cutee

[nimble ingot]

a bit off topic.
Was working on this short comic for lorechat.
#completed-sky-fanart-and-creations message

[olive yarrow]

Now that we have a map feature in sky, has anyone calculated the entire land area of sky?

[sharp lichen]

I would do anything else before trying to do so

The good news: we already have a base system of measurement. A moth skykid is 3 foot 2 inches.

The bad news: we will have to apply that for every area of every realm in Sky.

[olive yarrow]

Does this mean we have to make players use the faint emote so that we can measure it?
AND DOES THIS MEAN WE NEED TO DO THIS OVER AND OVER?

Welp, ig imma start by measuring smaller things in sky

[balmy spoke]

If you've used any height potions then all accuracy would be lost fyi

[sharp lichen]

The alternate option is just fudging a number and claiming that as the true, real, factual size of the map in Sky

[balmy spoke]

Another thing you could do is work out how far we run in a second then measure approximately that way.
You'd need to measure some distance first ofc

Oh and remember to do repeat measurements and determining an average

[marble lynx]

Btw how tall is the eden diamond compare with sky kid's height?

Umm...although this sky kid cannot approach more closer to the diamond, but still can use this as reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvKi4QwhqkA

[sharp lichen]

Measuring things that big is so unbelievably complicated. We can use the Ancient Memories, but it’s unreliable and the size is different than in real life

My math arc is joever

[leaden hornet]

the level 3 Slouching Soldier is probably better for this task

[sharp lichen]

https://www.thatskygame.com/news/a-gathering-place-for-the-heart-of-sky-project-aviary/

HOME IS DEAD /j

[buoyant forum]

Anyone able to DM me the Basic lore of Sky? Or possibly have a pdf link of compiled lore i could read? 😬

[sharp lichen]

In reality, I don’t think it’ll replace home. Even in the old Light Awaits, there were two “home” areas. The same thing will happen here

@buoyant forum https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

[buoyant forum]

Thank you!

[olive yarrow]

Maybe we can use some sort of a bug that would allow us to go somewhere near the crystal and then use the scale of the skykids as reference

[rigid mural]

ACTUAL LEAVES ON A TREE ???

[undone harbor]

LEAVES CONFIRMED EVERYONE!!

[chilly kayak]

THERE ARE TREES?!

[chilly kayak]

Welp time for pictures

[lusty merlin]

LEAVES ARE REAL

This is so exciting though like— for those who don’t know some of the places in the footage were from the light awaits home. So I’m guessing when project aviary is out in beta it’ll also change a little on how moths first interact with the game which is SUPER cool

[vague thorn]

I cant wait to see what new lore will come with aviary!

[nimble ingot]

Aviary coming to Sky, yay 🎉

Finally, something we could talk about that is coming to beta.
Because it used to be in the game during Light Awaits. It has been announced. And has been discussed many a times in lorechat without issues.

[willow shoal]

I have something OLD to share:

Chinese lore doc:
I added the Chinese text (with translation by DeepL) of the tgc office posters (GAMECORES 8th Annual Game Festival)
Here’s the link to the doc: https://www.icloud.com/pages/0LzNm2O8SG2-dYOsvV6BIRE-g#SkyChineseLore(ZH-EN)

More:

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

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[nimble ingot]

(For some reason, I am not able to say your name?)
Bruh, you have been in the lore chat for so long!

Glad to see you are still here

Your second name is a trigger for the bot?
Lol, bot is tripping

[willow shoal]

Maybe it is. My second name has remained unchanged for a really really long time, so I’d change it here.

[nimble ingot]

oh?
But it was a cool name.
I was used to seeing it while looking back in the lore chat searches for images.

[willow shoal]

You're the first to think my nickname is cool. Thanks!
Actually, this nickname of mine was originally a compound word, taken from the prefix “astro” and my Chinese nickname.

Though it’s out of date for me, I can keep this nickname if it’s liked

[nimble ingot]

Yo!
Aqua, did your doc have the descriptions for the realms in the Office poster this whole darn time!?

That thing took me and few theorists literal months (if not years) to crack!!

Image credit: https://sky-capers.tumblr.com/post/636359673658949632/the-sky-concept-art-is-so-cool-i-wish-we-could

That thing in its blurry text glory was the bane of my lore loving brain for so long. It was hard enough as is to read blurred text.

Thank you, Thank you, Aqua for finally having the answer to this

[willow shoal]

I bet it would be a really great lore feast for you,

[nimble ingot]

Like Mana from Heaven.

[buoyant forum]

I understand the Basic Lore of Sky. Does anyone have a pdf link of more extensive lore i can read?

[willow shoal]

Have you looked through the concept art website of Tom Zhao?

Well, I firmly recommend this to you, if you want to get more former details and history of the sky world.

[buoyant forum]

I will do this.

[willow shoal]

The link: https://www.tomzhao.com

[buoyant forum]

Thnk You

[willow shoal]

But plz remember: all the art pieces are beta testing info, and we should give the priority to the present content of game, not those art works when there’s conflict.

[buoyant forum]

I would like to learn as much about the lore as possible. So any help would be appreciated.

[sharp lichen]

Check the pinned messages, especially the 7 days of Sky

[buoyant forum]

I am still not all that good at navigating discord. Where would i find the pinned messages?

[cold sparrow]

the second icon from the right, in the top right next to the search bar on desktop discord, or swipe left to open the members sidebar on mobile

[sturdy oxide]

What if this town is what Eden used to be?

[untold notch]

given what we can see of Edens architecture I don't think that was the case, I like to think the skykids built it with the help of the spirits :]

[frigid tinsel]

Perhaps it’ll be an old little hamlet that skykids rediscovered

[winged basin]

i got a q: why sky kids do not speak a language?

[nimble ingot]

Skykid's language in a nutshell

As far as the game is concerned, skykids can shout, call, honk, chirp, or chime to each other. This lets skykids find and signal each other.
While the language is not fully defined, players generally use the call to each other out, get each others attentions, or simply vocalise for not apparent reason.

Lorewise, one can interpret that skykids are able to speak with each other in any common language.

[nimble ingot]

That idea brings this image to mind

[cobalt palm]

Skykids make connections through light, maybe lore wise opening chat with friends is just creating a light link to others which can carry words, like how we create connections to allow us to hold hands, hug, or even warp ourselves to our friends.
Tables and chat benches can only do it with light, so perhaps skykids can always manipulate light for communication, but others have to "tune in to that frequency" like tuning a radio, because that's just non-visible light waves.

tl;dr my headcanon: skykids communicate like radio

Image from uib https://www.uib.no/en/hms-portalen/75292/electromagnetic-spectrum

In other news, powerful skykids can microwave a pizza with just their mind

[sharp lichen]

And a candle won’t?

[cobalt palm]

If you want a smokey pizza

[nimble ingot]

Can an overcharged skykid though?

[cobalt palm]

An overcharged Skykid could microwave an entire pineapple
Evidence : a Skykid trying this in practice

[midnight spindle]

OK but, how many skykids to change a lightbulb

[sturdy oxide]

true

[cobalt palm]

[sturdy oxide]

I thought sky kids make connections through sound and not light, Like the honks and music that played with each emote

[midnight spindle]

This might sound weird but I feel like sound and light are kinda the same in the context of Sky

[sturdy oxide]

Well, not really, Light is made to make creatures, like how the game calls us "creatures of light"

[frigid tinsel]

sound & light are tied – places with light often have a pleasant backing soundtrack whereas dark places are silent or discordant, skykids' honk emit a visible light soundwave that when it touches other light creatures causes those creatures to call back, our musical instruments are mostly made of light, etc

[cobalt palm]

I'm thinking of when you offer a candle to a friend, there is a light stream which goes to them

[midnight spindle]

In my headcanon, sound and light are two different embodiments of the same underlying idea
Yes, what alasdair said

[sturdy oxide]

true

What I'm wondering is; why do some spirits have capes and others don't? can the spirits with capes fly like sky kids?

[frigid tinsel]

also when we're ascending to and in Orbit/the Light, your honks will sync up with the background soundtrack. I see that to emphasize the unity of all beings of light within the Light

[cobalt palm]

We do embody a Skykid, not a human in Sky, so who knows how we would experience it, maybe the honks are electromagnetic charges, they certainly charge our capes so would make sense to be light

Important lore question:
Do Skykids have ears?

[sturdy oxide]

Important lore question:
Why can't spirits with capes fly but we can?

[sturdy oxide]

1 cuz skykid is lightbulb

[frigid tinsel]

in so far, just fashion. ancestors couldn't fly on their own like skykids can, hence why they ride flying boats or mantas. however there are some examples of ancestors who got capes after some achievement, like the Dreams skater getting their phoenix costume or Warrior of Love when they took over Backflipping Champion's position.

[frigid tinsel]

ancestors are analogous to humans. we also can't fly, but through years of innovations humans have created technology granting us the power of flight, from airplanes to gliders. in turn, ancestors rode mantas and created flying boats

[sturdy oxide]

Ah

[nimble ingot]

I'd say they do. Because despite the update to the Home bell. I can still hear the ringing in my ears XD

[frigid tinsel]

one could argue that spirits (not living ancestors) can fly when they demateralize into their sparkling spirit core, but that's not something they were capable of when alive and even in their humanoid form cannot fly.

[cobalt palm]

We are also building things that can destroy us and our environment

For research purposes, there are indents on the sides of our heads

[sturdy oxide]

Could ancestor children fly?

If they already had a cape, would they be able to fly? The Flight season spirits said they used to be able to fly.

[nimble ingot]

Only if an elder like Forest, Valley, Day or Wasteland can chuck them far enough into a pool of water /j

[cold sparrow]

We see a couple of situations (hermit's memory or a spirit in the Abyss) that show that ancestors were at danger of falling and had to be caught/need to climb with their hands rather than gliding up

[frigid tinsel]

as I already said, the capes were just fashion items for them. they were prob made of fiber materials like other clothing is that wasn't capable of flight.

the Flight spirits had flying boats, though those were pulled by mantas rather than piloted with power diamonds.

[sturdy oxide]

[timid dirge]

then can we also assume ancestors&sky kids are also some kind of humans who got evolved or changed for some reason?

thats so cool tbh

[frigid tinsel]

ancestors are analogous to humans but are not irl humans. there's some debates on ancestor anatomy but given that they're all dead, it's a feeble field full of headcanons and scraps (sorrowfully). but they're, as far as we know, the native humanoids of the Sky world.

skykids are not ancestors though resemble ancestor children. there's a quip somewhere that ancestors and skykids are different species but either I can't track that down or it's in one of those dubiously sourced livestream docs that are floating around

[sharp lichen]

I don’t think they can fly, as Seaosn of Flight shows them stranded on islands. I think capes were back then used as a fancy form of clothing like any other

[winged basin]

so their lang is sounds not words!! is there a reason for that in the lore or no?

[nimble ingot]

Not sure tbh.

I have not looked into spoken languages in Sky.

The most research I have done on that front was with a D&D homebrew game with skykids' lingo being their own language and they can learn common with time and practice.
Given skykids can learn to imitate other creatures as how they learn different calls from the ancestor, animal whisperers.

[untold notch]

I believe there is a written language of ancestors but we don't know it

[nimble ingot]

There is, both in the game, as well as in an concept art.
The concept art one was scrapped as it seems.
And the one in the game was not deciphered (as far as I know).

[winged basin]

ooo so there are words in sky!!!

for the light aspect, skykids cant use it when they get krilled as they run out of it and need to charge, so idk about light.

Maelstrom said we embody a skykid not a human in sky??? are we not humanss? then what are we?? what is a skykid?

[frigid tinsel]

skykids

[nimble ingot]

Skykids.

Humans are not fire proof

[winged basin]

i dont get it 🥲

[untold notch]

skykids are the player characters

[frigid tinsel]

skykids are skykids — they’re their own thing, not human or ancestors

[nimble ingot]

A skykid is creature that looks like a human, but is not.
They can be reborn, are sensitive to darkness, and can be charged up with (or give off) Light.

[winged basin]

gasp.... ancestors are not skykids like us!!! what

[frigid tinsel]

skykids do resemble ancestor children but they're not the same. skykids won't grow up to be ancestor adults (whether skykids can grow up at all is unknown). skykids are skykids.

[winged basin]

then how the ancestor adults came in contant with skykids? how did the form/came to be as ancestor adults?

[frigid tinsel]

All the ancestors died out and their spirits petrified from darkness. Skykids were made to save their spirits from darkness and ascend them to the Light/Orbit

[winged basin]

were not those (ancestor adults) once kids? skykids?

[untold notch]

they were kids but not skykids

[winged basin]

who/what brough/created us to them?

[frigid tinsel]

Ancestor adults were once ancestor children, but they were never skykids. Most of them lived to grow up to adulthood

Megabird/the Light, whatever you wanna call the so-called god of Sky. There’s different names floating around

[winged basin]

ok good, how about eden? how eden got created? were eden present in ancestors' time?

[earnest briar]

We don’t know how to the former, and yes to the latter, although not in it’s current state.

[winged basin]

what do u mean by "not in it’s current state."?

[frigid tinsel]

Eden was not always hell

[sharp lichen]

From the Switch Trailer, we see that Eden has always had the massive beam of light, but it was an uninhabited/barren mountain instead of what it is now.

[winged basin]

what made it turn into hell?

[frigid tinsel]

Eden diamond go boom

[sharp lichen]

Ancestors were the ancient people who built the civilization we see now. They were accompanied by the Elders. In time, the Ancestors tied and turned into ghostly spirits, whose souls we have to save.

Skykids are somewhat related to all 3, but not directly.

[winged basin]

is there a reason for it to go boom?

[frigid tinsel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sharp lichen]

In the final Elder Shattering memory, we see that it broke apart somehow. You can find an accompanying poem in the pinned messages

[frigid tinsel]

Like we don’t know why the Eden diamond exploded and started spewing out darkness, just thst it did

[winged basin]

did eden become like that (hell) when the ancestors were still around? are krills created in eden?

[frigid tinsel]

Yea, in fact the Eden calamity is why all the ancestors are dead, started the end of the world for them. Prob not the source of the krill. We know krill are corrupted light creatures but not sure how they were corrupted, likely due to darkness from pollution

[winged basin]

what was the form those krills were before?

[frigid tinsel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[winged basin]

ugh thank you guys sooo much for answering my qs to the best of your knowledge

if i get curious again am coming back lol

[fickle snow]

EVERYONE, i am seeing, i think skykids are BIRDS

ok not like that, but at least, from all the light creautres, there are many things they share with brids, 1: when our cape recharges, it looks like feathers, two, we can fly (tho almomst everything in sky can sooo idk) and three, i think i remember that a long time ago something in home was called aviary, and now this new thing for skykids to be, that is called aviary, idk if i explain myself

[leaden hornet]

I thought skids communicated by giving off light

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, but they also share traits with butterflies and mantas!

[fickle snow]

AhEm

[sharp lichen]

In 2017-ish, the alpha version of Sky, called Light Awaits, had Aviary has a second home. However, it was removed due to performance issues. Now, they’re returning it

[uncut pond]

Iirc some asian communities refer to Moths as "Sparrows" so you're definitely not alone in seeing skids as (metaphorically) birds

Wait a second THEY'RE BRINGING AVIARY BACK
I really gotta check the news channel more often

[frigid tinsel]

It’s called Project Aviary but it doesn’t look like the old Aviary

I mean, a part of it does but that’s not all the news post was talking about

[lusty merlin]

Yaya it seems to be a major expansion to it, there’s some of the old architecture but other than that there’s a ton more seeming to be added

[pine bane]

what u guys think about skater girl now that we're talking bout ancestors, skykids? she didnt have any cape wasnt her..?
She couldnt fly as she's living in the same period as the ancestors?

[frigid tinsel]

the Dreams skater got a cape for their final performance but regardless couldn't fly. you can see that in Bearhug Hermit's spirit memories when they fall off a ledge

[hushed steeple]

Hey guys! I don't know if you already notice but, the cape is like a light extension and the clothes too, that's why we can change it, I mean, they're made of light

[inland cliff]

But that was before she gets her cape?
Nonetheless, it could be that ancestors cannot fly at the first place, since there're bunch of cape spirits still has to use transportation like mantas or ships and we barely see they fly on their own

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[timid dirge]

i love to imagine it was some kind of an experiment that went wrong

[copper saffron]

i havent been here in ages, any lore revelations i missed?

[nimble ingot]

Thanks to this. I have a name for skykids who have gained more experience than moths, but not enough to be considered an expert.
Thanks <3

[orchid moat]

I think skykids are fallen stars

The beginning cutscene has the sky kid fall from the sky, so therefore I think they are fallen stars, I’m probably wrong tho

[frigid tinsel]

No you’re right. Skykids even when reborn descend to the world as falling stars.

[hushed steeple]

This all makes a lot of sence actually☺️
And yes, I kinda always asumed that modern skykids are similar but also a seperate race from the anchants.

It kinda reminds me of lot of creation might in mythologies, where you have different types of humans in different eras.
Like in the mayan creation myth the preveous world gets destroyed along with all the "wood people" , and when the world is rebuild the gods make the "corn people"

[hushed steeple]

A personal head cannon is that the diamond was build to tap into the energy of the great beam of light .

All crystals need a large amount of initial light dureing there construction, allong with the cryatal ore and posaibly some other components
(In many of the murals in forest, it shows jugs of light from priery being transported to the forest temple, and on the temple dore it shows light and material combining into to form he crystal)
The edan diamond was likely something similar, but on an unimaginable scale.

As the final step of its decades long construction, it would have hacked into the great beam of light, and drain light energy from the very sorce of light itself (megabird)
It would have given the ruler of sky god like powers.
But in there boundless arogance, they tempered with forcess far beyond there controll.
Though there craft was trully magnificent by this point, it was nowhere near enough to create something that can controll all that power.....

And then.....

BOOOOOOOOOOM

[astral bobcat]

Hello, does anyone have any pictures of the ||stone giant from office area|| ? I'd like to draw it at some point.

[warm siren]

I can take u there if u want? U can get ur own pictures ☺️

[astral bobcat]

Oh! That will be great. I can DM you when I am ready.

[tidal flower]

I have a question, what exactly is the first child?

[hushed steeple]

Like, the first sky kid, or the first child of light?

[hushed steeple]

-If its sky kids, then its the first of the new race of people that come to sky from the heavens, after the old world ( the ancesters and the civilization they build) were destroyed.
We are stars that have taken phisical form.
At first there was one, but over time more and more stars take part in the cycle of reincarnatiin and populate the world we know today

-If its the first child of light.....well the detales are a bit fuzzy, with the lore changing so much from between the concept art and the curent game and all.

Going by whats in the game, this is the first child of light.
It started as a star just like sky kids, though its not the same kind of being, and come to earth in the earlyest ages of the old world

All the concept art agree that this become the prince ( and later the king) of the old empire

[tidal flower]

Thank you! I’ve been trying to find out some lore, but thanks again for the help!

[hushed steeple]

Glad I could help

[untold sable]

I have this headcanon that the winglights we see around the kingdom is the prince! it's not very thought out, but I simply like the idea hehe ||I also like the idea of it because of the implications they want to save those statues trapped in eden. they want to make up for their mistake||

[hushed steeple]

Could someone send the megan concept arts again?

[scenic siren]

Only have this blurry one

Each weak shards fall from Eden to other realms, they are quite big rocks. At this rate the mountain is going flat after years pass by.

But then again, each week thousands of sky kids die and there, leaving their stone bodies pile up

That will balance stuff out? Will the mountain get taller or shorter?

[hushed steeple]

hey, can anyone tell me where this exact place is? I wanna see where I'm at😭😭

[nimble ingot]

That is a photoshop compilation of the skykids's height next to the portal to Dawn at home.

[hushed steeple]

OHHH omg thanks!!!

[inner basalt]

(also please dont coldping people /nm)

[hushed steeple]

coldping?? what💀💀

[round parrot]

First off, cold ping means that you reply ping to someone when the message was sent a long time ago. Second off, please don't reply ping someone who has "no pings" in their nickname.

There is a way to turn off a reply ping, if you look on the right side of the tab you see when you're about to reply to someone, there is a "@ on" icon. Click on that icon to turn it off.

[inner basalt]

please don’t ping me.

[nimble ingot]

Discord should rather make a setting for anyone to to disable pings.
Since this ⛔ seems not work as well at first thougth.

[winged basin]

wahh!! is this the real canon of it?

[nimble ingot]

Its a headcanon viksa has.

[hushed steeple]

That is true.
This is my persaonal headcanon

However it is the thing that makes the most sence to me given all the evisence that I have gathered so far

If anything in the future is revealed that contradicts this, I will change it, as I have many times already

[nimble ingot]

That's fair, practically any theory can change depending on if it is aimed at canon and with new information being revealed in the live game.
As far as fanon goes, anything can happen.

[hushed steeple]

Very true

Personaly I think the fact that the diamond went out of controle and that lead to the downfall of the old civilization is steight up canon, period.
All the concept art and season of shatering alude to that

[nimble ingot]

very plausible

[hushed steeple]

The whole "hacking into the light beam" and "draining energy from megabird" is pure headcanon thought.

It does fit with what we see in the game, but its more a cool story then something people should take as canon

[balmy spoke]

Sky kids don't have teeth. was confirmed by a dev for #passage-sticker-challenge
about all i can think of.

[cold sparrow]

leaves are canon

[winged basin]

aaah ook, i really didnt know that.. even though there were drawings and such.

[stone crater]

goodmorning lore chat
just dropping by if anyone has an idea of what the red eyes of the passage quest in forest are

[lusty merlin]

I like to think they’re crabs from the animation trailer!
Not only that but there’s been some other hints in passage and nature from things for the animation which makes me

[sharp lichen]

I don’t think the nature of the Sky world will make it so that the mountain will change.

[viral bay]

Crabs coming out in big numbers at night in forest makes me shivers

Imagine if they swarm you to the point your skykid can't honk anymore

[balmy spoke]

controller hold a and move to the rescue

[nimble ingot]

Better hope you can fly well through the forest and avoid the trees then

[viral bay]

Can't they just jump at you?

[nimble ingot]

I'd imagine they can climb trees as well as they can climb on each other as in this concept art of them.

(Credit: TomZhao)

[nimble ingot]

Here is a thought.
Skykids can imitate animal calls, because there were ancestors that were animal whisperers.
Wonder if this was meant literally as the light creatures were able to communicate with ancestors. And have bonds even.

Or was it more so with ancestors being able to imitate animal calls to attract them. Making the ancestors the caretakers of the light creatures even though they cannot understand them.

[brisk python]

i want to be a manta whisperer

[mint patio]

I remember the eyes in the trees !! You are quite right !!

[copper saffron]

That's a very interesting lore point that i didnt know i needed to know. But also dont. Thank you.

[balmy spoke]

probably should've provided the context too.

[copper saffron]

HAHAHAHA

[untold notch]

this always sends me

[lusty merlin]

Help like why are they so against teeth 😭

Posting a drawing of my maskless skykid smiling, beaned /j

[earnest briar]

Consider: Skids do have teeth but not human or at least human-like teeth

[trim wren]

Do skykids even have mouths?

It be kinda weird if they didn’t cause im pretty sure we can eat the food on the days of bloom tea thingy

[sharp lichen]

There is evidence pointing to them having mouths and not having mouths

[lusty merlin]

I like to think they do, we can drink and eat but that can also just be light that merges, so it comes to personal preference

[south depot]

eden’s lounge always give me shivers because like,,,, this place used to be for social and fun and then now look at it all corrupted even the emblems for the closet are corrupted. it’s just so eerie….what are your guys thoughts

[untold notch]

I find it interesting that the cape closet is the most frozen over

[south depot]

you’re right i didn’t notice that

[sharp lichen]

**Evidence for mouths: **

Skykids eat food, and so did Ancestors and Elders presumably.

Skykids have a rebreather on the exact position of the mouth.

The Little Prince has a mouth.

Skykids use wind instruments, which require mouths

**Evidence against mouths: **

Even when maskless, Skykids and Spirits do not have visible mouths.

Skykids absorb wax, so they could probably absorb food the same way.

Aurora does not have a mouth.

[frigid tinsel]

Aurora isnt a skykid

[south depot]

i love analyzing eden’s infrastructure like there are boats here trapped in the sand which means there were probably people here when the (headcanon alert) eden crystal exploded causing the corruption to spread. these people possibly got trapped under the sand like how the boats are and died that way

[trim wren]

If skykids do have mouths and they eat does that mean they have organs too? Or maybe do they somehow turn the food into light

[south depot]

also what’s up with that monument on top of vault ?

[frigid tinsel]

Skykids are thought to be hollow and full of amorphous light. They may have mouths but that doesn’t mean they have organs.

[south depot]

i know it will never be possible but i just wanna look around the world of sky without all of the extra effects and cloud barriers so i can see the structures better

there’s so much story and lore in one structure yknow

[sharp lichen]

I know, but some might argue that Aurora lost the mouth in the transition because of Sky’s general design not having mouths

[hushed steeple]

I'm quite curious about something
If the so called Darkness are out of nothing and suddenly existed just because the Starlight disappeared and how Eden was corrupted by it or smth. Thing is what was happening to the elders while the corruption of Eden was happening? Do they just like lost their light? Did a war happened between them? And especially how did the mc / skykid just suddenly falled and became a new wielder of light while all of this was happening? I'M SORRY IF I DID MISTAKES FEEL FREE TO CORRECT ME , I was curious abt this.....

BY THAT I MEANT MAYBE ALL WAS LOST IN THE LANDS OF THE SKY BUT LIKE... How did Skykid existed if the Starlight is gone? Is the Skykid lucky enough? Or it existed in the last remaining of light as an hope for all elders? Well not only for elders and for the spirits/people as well?

This feels like I'm not making sense by that I'm sorry.. Skykid just suddenly fall from the sky without explanation of how they existed?

[oblique cedar]

Just wanna mention the fact that Sky kids were sent down with a "destiny" btw.

[visual trench]

The skykid we know and love, but what could be something under the mask?

[cold sparrow]

teeth

[nimble ingot]

A face a mother can love

[oblique cedar]

Tell me tho.. has anyone ever talked about how winged lights may be souls?

[cold sparrow]

they seem to be more implied to be memories, or fragments of such
then again, the spirits we meet and help largely seem to be fragments of memories too

[nimble ingot]

There has been theories about it in the past.
Sadly not much in the game itself explains what winged light is beyond being a gameplay mechanic for players to progress through the game as they gather more and become stronger in terms of flying higher and withstanding more damage until you run out of Light.

However, there are some hints to the winged light that one can read from between the lines in certain places.
Namely, the ushering stargazer's memory, the symbology of the golden figure in cave of prophecies and coupled with the stageplay notes of the stage hand during the Season of Performance quests.

Fun fact: In the past, the winged light used to be called Stars in the game.
While that name is less mentioned, it is possible to suggest it applies still as some updates adds or refines part of the game's story.

For example, with the Pointing Pilgrim; while the spirit is no longer called a pilgrim. It is still implied to be the case with the life style of the spirit, while the update added Candle making to their story. Hence the current name, Pointing Candlemaker.

[oblique cedar]

Oh. Well then that helps my theory a little then... Kinda...

Is it allowed to post like 11 photos in one message here? I did a lot of research on my own and put it into a Facebook post. I really wanna share my stuff here, but I don't wanna leave my Facebook account just lying around in a discord server.

[nimble ingot]

I dont see an issue why not. Provided it is about the lore and its dead quiet now.
It would be interesting to see what you have been working on.

[oblique cedar]

aaand here's the paperwork.

[nimble ingot]

On the jellyfish charging faster part.
I would suggest they can do that in a similar way other creature with offering hugs or high fives.
When you ride the jellyfish, they do an animation that could be their version of an interaction to charge you up faster.
Because they dont often use the same fast spinning animation while moving around.

In short, they move more to make more light, and charge faster than just letting you charge at a slower pace.
Even the jellyfish are aware of skykids trying to help the Light and will in turn help the skykids.

As for the winged light in the shattering memories.
Your theory is interesting and plausible.

Sadly, it is a toss up between game mechanic and lore when it comes to the winged light since they may also have been placed there to give players incentive (a reason) to visit the memories often. Similar to rewarding players with ascended candles with cleansing shards.
Simply put, it is not easy weaving the lore of the game into a "complete this action for this reward" type of conditioning for players in a game.

All in all, these are nice theories and am liking the pictures you added with them.
Thank you

[oblique cedar]

Thank you for that response— really gets me going. I'll soon be sharing my thoughts on the child of light you meet after Eden too so... I hope you don't mind the next time I come back here!

[sharp lichen]

If we look at the intro cutscene, it seems that Skykids only fell until after the Sky kingdom fell.

The intro cutscene says “all are born from starlight”, and that the “stars fell”, which implies that the kingdom was consuming so much light in the form of stars that it became unsustainable. However, after the kingdom collapsed, there were more stars again.

[sharp lichen]

There is a maskless Skykid option in game

@oblique cedar That is a cool theory! I still think our main purpose is not entirely giving winged light to the fallen statues, but it is an important one.

[hushed steeple]

THANK U FOR ANSWERING MY QUESTION!!!!!!!
It makes sense thank u!!

[fair cedar]

Sorry i wanna ask, Are the Hints for Thursday already out?

[cold sparrow]

wrong channel for that
try asking in #general-sky-discussion #questions-and-help or #seasons-events-chat
or even better, search this server for 'from:Ashen#3703'

[fair cedar]

I see, thanks for the info

[visual trench]

Where even did krill came from

[cold sparrow]

We Just Don't Know

they're corrupted is all that is confirmed
for anything else, your guess is as good as any of ours, it's all just theories

[potent sedge]

Me who just wants to know if there's anything inside of the Eden crystal lol

[sturdy wyvern]

So you know how there’s that little stick inside of a ring pop?

[potent sedge]

LOL

[covert prism]

how do y'all think the kingdom fell? I mean, we know about the light vs dark war, but is that how the kingdom fell?

in my mind, it had to be at least a bit corrupted to let the darkness in for a war to start. does it have something to do with the king eating the orb in the vault constellation?

[sharp lichen]

I think it was the Elder Shattering memory, where the Eden Diamond exploded

[nova kestrel]

Interesting, but what happened to the wl in Eden we lose after they're absorbed into the shard?

[nova kestrel]

I believe this is more of learning that darkness and light are a part of you, not just the light, so this is more a memory then anything cause after you hug the child of light you come back together

[flat tangle]

Guys do you think sky bot might provide some lore. I know they are kinda weird but,
while I was going through memes. Sky bot gave this vague sentence about how the eden tree fruits were over utilised causing mass chaos and destruction.

[lusty merlin]

Maybe that message was from another player? I tried to find the message yet nothing showed up talking about that

Even then what skybot says isint taken seriously at all here, I trust more of what’s seen ingame and dev words than a bot

Although skykids not having teeth is still jarring to me

[cold sparrow]

I wouldn't rely on skybot for lore drops
There's too many jokes and weird sentences in the bot's queue to take everything/anything the bot says at face-value

[south depot]

Thoughts on how the only corruption in valley is in the temple’s maze?

[sturdy wyvern]

Snow is bright

[south depot]

I think that valley may have been built up after the (headcanon alert) explosion from the Eden crystal

[frigid tinsel]

Valley of Triumph is above the clouds, so that could have generally spared them from the darkness spreading from the Storm

[sturdy wyvern]

I doubt it. Thanks to the shattering memories we know that all the elders were caught in the epicenter of the blast, so if valley was made afterwords, it wouldn’t make any sense to have a temple for an elder that isn’t around anymore

[south depot]

And that the temple is apart of wasteland, or maybe wasteland was apart of valley and was just closed off from valley maybe valley was a “new” version of wasteland. U can see the statues in valley also in wasteland

[sturdy wyvern]

(Also, we don’t know how long the spirits continued to survive after the blast)

[frigid tinsel]

Valley and Waateland is often thought to have once been one big city, hence the architectural similarities.

And the ancestors didn’t survive long after the Eden calamity. That’s the whole point — they’re all dead

[south depot]

I feel like the corruption took time like yeah there was the initial blast but the spirits kept living on after that and slowly died. I feel like that theory is also supported by how seasons keep introducing new spirits, it’s because they died after the first ones

[frigid tinsel]

Even if Valley was generally spared by darkness, the Storm and the vortex over Wasteland cut them off from the rest of the kingdom and thus food imports. A mountain is a poor place for agriculture so they couldn’t grow their own food. Any ancestors in Valley who survived the initial Eden calamity would not have lived long due to lack of resources

[lusty merlin]

Ya despite how opulent is is, from the weather and terrain alone valley definitely depends on exports of food and materials to even exist in the first place

Like only thing I could see them doing on their own could be mining, yet there’s no proof of that like there is in forest

[south depot]

I feel like valley got a lot of its resources from wasteland because of how industrial gw is and how technological vot is. Maybe gw was like the warehouse/factory for vot hidden away from its people

Also can I mention how much I love gw temple after you open the vault doors. wait gw temple is vault

[lusty merlin]

Ya I agree with the first part, same goes for the other realms for me too. Though personally I feel they were aware of the factories, but not exactly the conditions or consequences they would bring

[south depot]

Yeah I do think they were aware but higher up’s like to hide the bad things away from the rest of society. Vot pride itself on success, beauty, entertainment, etc and gw is none of those things and if the residents saw what was happening in gw that would cause a huge problem in social structures

valley and wasteland are the most lore packed realms (imo) (then again I haven’t really analyzed the others as much)

[untold notch]

something something panem et circenses

[south depot]

Valley elders are real amazement to me. They are two people however they are one. They each only have one eye mirroring the other. Could they have possibly just been one person before? Or are they young and when they are older they merge into one elder? ~~could that be what makes an elder? Two spirits in one? ~~

[frigid tinsel]

Howdy
I wrote a whole fic about this enigma

[lusty merlin]

And it’s still my favorite fic of the twins ever

[lusty merlin]

I love this question about them

For me personally I do think when they fell they were supposed to split yet didn’t fully complete the split when they fell, since both are missing an eye on arm on the opposite side to one another, their missing arms now replaced with prostetics

Hell I even draw them with scars over their faces and shoulders for this exact reason

[south depot]

Valley elder genderfluid real

I wonder what they would look like as one….

finally out of art block!!

Fun question: How much do you guys think the lore would shift if a new realm was added

[frigid tinsel]

Depends if that realm had its own Elder or not

[scenic siren]

Like this?

[lusty merlin]

Yeah If said realm includes a new elder that would be big as it would question why they wern’t in the elder cutscenes if they arnet added. But if a new elder was added to the cutscenes then I just assume that’s the new cannon. But if their storyline is different then that can also be cool and intesting as to why

Realm itself would also depend and open to more things about the sky world yet that’s all

Me when sour gummy

[frigid tinsel]

Relevant

[lusty merlin]

YEAHHH THAT TO I LOVE HOW THEY REVEAL THEYRE TWO

[frigid tinsel]

Two of them

[south depot]

Let’s say yes for this. I’ve had an idea for a season where sky kids uncover a new realm along side 6 spirits who all love adventure, one from each realm. Anyways In this idea the realm was so far out and forgotten (farther than dawn) that there was no corruption. However due to years of no care it’s gotten run down and turned to a desert. The goal of the season is to restore it. I just wanna know how much this would effect lore

[lusty merlin]

I mean its your fan season so you can make your own lore

[untold notch]

elder memory in shambles

[south depot]

Imma pull a dev move and leave the lore up for your interpretation I wanna know what you guys would think

[frigid tinsel]

Hmm, to me there’s potential in that being a seasonal area, an extension to Isle. Like we know Isle used to be more green and wasn’t flooded in the past — perhaps there’s a part of it sticking out of the ocean

[lusty merlin]

Yaya that would be cool!

[south depot]

Guys I’m gonna write my fan season out and send it here when it’s done

[brisk python]

valley elders <333

[south depot]

Let’s say, theoretically, if there was a few ancestors still alive, how would that affect the lore

[lusty merlin]

Not that much, just that there are a few survivors, maybe depending on how long they’ve been around there could be a small town but that’s it for me personally

Since all breath is given by starlight I don’t think it would be possible to make more ancestors since the darkness would’ve taken that away. Would just be a matter of living the rest of their life and waiting until it’s their time to die

[south depot]

Hmm alright

[sharp lichen]

The Sky devs have made an interesting method of adding things to the world through seasons, in which the existing realms are expanded upon, both literally and figuratively.

The realms in Sky represent many things: the stages of the day, the progression of human life, and the advancing of civilization. Adding a new realm entirely could drastically change that.

You can still add differing environments within the realms, though. Like the Wind Paths or the Sanctuary Islands

[native galleon]

im late but. the dramatic reveal is so 💕 them

[polar basalt]

the owl house

[frigid tinsel]

You shouldn’t share other people’s artwork without linking to the source.

[slim mango]

About the first child of light or ancestor skids, it seems also occurred to Bereft Veteran's memory or Passage Spirits' memories. Their bodies are white except their mask!

[queen pike]

maybe we just absorb food like amoebas

[hushed steeple]

My 3am brain has decided it would be neat if these two were the cause of everything. I have no proof, I just think it'd be funny.

[tepid veldt]

finally played sky for the first time in like 4 months, the passage memories are so stinking cute and relatable im going to cry (havent found oddball’s memory yet but im trying)

just thought this was interesting, this is the only kiddo that ive seen (so far) that doesnt have base game cosmetics 👀

[sharp lichen]

They do seem to relate to us in a way

[sharp lichen]

This is a really interesting connection, and it shows that that the child in Remembrance looks slightly older than the one in Passage, implying they took place a few years between each other

[oblique cedar]

I'll be discussing that soon! Everything I've laid out for my own theories somehow all connect to each other in a way, but then again, it's my own view on the sky lore thing. Hehe.

Also... About that child of light, I got a lot of answers for that + supporting details. Will be sharing soon... Just gotta get my materials together.

[untold notch]

well there really isn't anything connecting the two sets of people temporally

[oblique cedar]

So I went on to check out this memory again cuz someone said something about "the first sky kid" and...

Am I tripping??

[eager jewel]

no

[south depot]

Wait are the sky kids in the passage spirit memories…also dead???

[oblique cedar]

They're... They're all dead. That's why they're spirits—

[frigid tinsel]

The kids in the Passage spirit memories aren’t skykids, they’re ancestor children

[oblique cedar]

Indeed.

[round parrot]

Just curious about this

How would prosthetics work for Skykids? I've seen Tac's take on how the Valley Elder's prosthetics work (and it's honestly amazing), but what about Skykids?

[lusty merlin]

(ah tyy) id say it would work a little more realistically. Like embedded permeant prosthetics (which is what i hc most ancestor/elders would get if they want mobility as if it's a real limb) wouldn't be an option unless you wanna trust a skykid to do surgery

slip on's like what most prosthetics are irl i can see happening, but instead of it being in one position, skykids could power it with their light. Though since it wouldn't be directly connected to them, mobility would still be limited, but still a little better than what the most advanced prostetics can react and move to irl

[soft timber]

Sky really went "you guys seem to already like one athletic boyo, how about two of them?!" and gave us the Valley twins

[brisk python]

two of them <3

[ebon wind]

Wait I didn't notice the valley elders had prosthetics

[lusty merlin]

i dont blame you, they're practically invisible in their cutscene, but here on direct light and orbit you can see them well. Their pin doesn't include them which makes me💔 💥

[ebon wind]

Oh wow

[broken pendant]

I would like to offer my visual rendition of the conjoined twin theory

[pallid dust]

I agree. He also looks quite tall, obviously taller than skykid's max height, but I'm not sure.

[cold sparrow]

not the right channel for that, friend
try #live-feedback

[orchid moat]

Oh ok, thanks for reminding me

[slate saffron]

They were ballin' too hard

[sharp lichen]

I still think the glowing white child seen in multiple memories are the same

[dreamy saddle]

I mean, the twins do count as a single elder, so…

Also I’m wondering if anyone’s seen this? https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Amity206/Sky_Lore_Theories
I saw it and was amazed how well it summarizes most of what I understand to be Sky lore

[sharp lichen]

It makes a lot of assumptions, but it does offer a good starting point

[dreamy saddle]

yeah for sure
i need to reread it, seems like its been updated since i first saw it

[nimble ingot]

eyo, chat's dead. So thought to ask this: (was dead lol)
Am looking to adapt 5th Edition Dungeons & Dragons homebrewing to Sky and have this list of classes for the realms.
Would this be a good fit? Anyone is welcome to give suggestions and opinions.

Note: Eden is locked since those are new classes and are somewhat fitting.
Other notes:
Dawn being a Warlock sounds more epic than just sorcerer or wizard (also, bird familiars a plenty)
Forest elder having a hammer to smite foes sounds fitting.
Valley naturally got the crafty and fast paced classes.
Wasteland got the warrior tier classes, naturally
And Vault got healer and Intelligence bases classes.

[sharp lichen]

I could very well see the Forest Elder being an Artificer, with them forging darkstone and all that.

Wasteland makes the most sense being a Paladin, or maybe a Fighter, but not a Barbarian.

To be fair, none of the Elders fit well with the Barbarian archetype

[dreamy saddle]

oooh i love dnd lemme look

[cold sparrow]

I think bard would be a better fit for valley as they're ultimately performers

[dreamy saddle]

warlock and sorcerer def fit the isle of dawn's prophecy vibe
Bard and ranger- ranger could be forest and paladin could be day, perhaps? i do like ur hammer connection tho hmm
valley makes total sense
wasteland also makes sense
vault makes sense, tho cleric could probably go anywhere here

[nimble ingot]

Let's see...

Take artificer and give to forest.
Take paladdin and give to wasteland.
And Then barbarian gets knockec lose and lands in Eden....

(Looking at how Eden ended up a wreck)
Ah, fair, that checks out. lol

[cold sparrow]

druid feels more fit for day, as the realm has a lot of focus on living with and communicating with the animals
you say eden is locked, but forest imo should be artificer, if anything

[dreamy saddle]

bard does fit valley for the concert stadium hmm

[cold sparrow]

for eden with the disaster it is right now, barbarian would feel fitting
it's all rage and storm

I'm not sure I see warlock with dawn
warlock is hard to place in any of the realms, but least of all the peaceful dawn, ushering people onwards on their journey
as warlocks are all about getting your power from a pact with a higher power

[nimble ingot]

Agreed.
Warlocks are characters that make a deal or swear by a deity.
In this case, it could either be Light or Darkness.

So Eden, maybe?

[cold sparrow]

Eden, most likely
or Forest and the later realms, as they seem to have a closer connection with dark stone usage or Eden as a (place of) rulership itself

[dreamy saddle]

see i think waarlock could be dawn in the Trials sort of have this vibe of being connected to ancient rituals/tests of strength that i feel totally fit the vibe of someone seeking power

[cold sparrow]

that feels more monk to me though

[willow shoal]

Have you read this version of opening intro?

[cold sparrow]

emphasis on mental and physical perfection
not for valor (as Valley does it), but just for being your ideal self

[nimble ingot]

ooh, a warlock as a bit of shaman vibes.
I get the feeling the classes would have to reflavoured sooner or later.
Because:
a- They have been like this since the 90s and due for a refresh
b- It would make them more fitting into the realms, while still being recognisable.

[dreamy saddle]

can I ask why the classes are being grouped to realms anyways?

[queen pike]

warlocks are the socially unacceptable version of clerics /j

[dreamy saddle]

as a warlock main you wound me but you are so right lmao

[queen pike]

are celestial warlocks just cleric lite?

[nimble ingot]

I wanted to divide the classes by realm for skykid players in Sky themed games.
It sounded interesesting to intergrate them into Sky.

Say for instance you chose wizard. Then it would imply the skykid would have been affiliated with Vault.

While other classes or multiclasses are unique since this would be a skykid who build up their stats outside of the realms, or have moved between realms.
(Almost like an ancestor who lived in one realm vs an ancestor that travelled to multiple and thus are associated with more than one realm, or none of the realms)

[nimble ingot]

Would that make a Ranger a lite bard? /j

[dreamy saddle]

It's cool worldbuilding, but I feel like it may be more open to your players if you allow them to pick a class and then just justify it in their backstory regardless of character origin

[queen pike]

idk i don't know enough about rangers

[nimble ingot]

In short, they sounded cooler than what they actually dish out sadly.

[cold sparrow]

tbh I think that would be a bit too restrictive for an actual game
the fun of DnD is coming up with your own character concept and figuring out how they got there
sure, a wizard feels most at home in the knowledge-focused vault
but what would a wizard that comes from the Isle be like? what would drive them away from the rites of old and to the pursuit of new knowledge? would they head into the forest to study the technologies used there? or did they maybe turn their back to the rites of their home because they weren't physically fit enough for those?

[nimble ingot]

hmm... you have a point there

[cold sparrow]

and while Valley is surely producing largely bards
the Hermit would most likely qualify as a monk or druid
living alone, away from the bustling city

[queen pike]

would a vault barbarian just be a really angry librarian or something?

[nimble ingot]

Me imagining a vault spirit.
"You will return a late book for the last time!"

[queen pike]

i also feel like vault would have a lot of circle of star druids, maybe some twilight clerics as well.

[nimble ingot]

oh. I have not thought of it like that.

[cold sparrow]

okay, but an Ancestral Guardian Barbarian might find their home in the vault
finding a connection to their ancestors via the memories they left behind

[queen pike]

plagarize those texts again, and I will send you to the light.

[nimble ingot]

I severely underestimated how flexible the classes can be in Sky. O.O

[dreamy saddle]

barbarian from prairie that just rages when they cant catch any butterflies XD

[queen pike]

I made the connection because of the light/star symbolism in vault, and because of spirit mantas.

[nimble ingot]

I know Wizards of the Coast had roasted their reputation with the community in recent months. Though secretly hope to see more Sky themed D&D content.
Something similar to the recent min-collab they did with Mojang by making statblocks for the creatures in Minecraft.

[queen pike]

they sent bona-fide pinkertons to some guy's house because he accidentally got a set of magic cards that had not been released yet

[keen shore]

I’ve never seen this before, it’s really cool!! Thank you so much for sharing

[nimble ingot]

Shoutout to the folks who made skykids as a race in D&D
Because these creatures are not as simple to adapt to D&D at first thought.
1- They are not easy to kill (even while their hit points/health is dependant on their class)
2- Their flying ability is either a cheap ticket to early level flyers (like aarakocra), or a system of constantly managing light levels to flying.
3- Working their spells and tricks into the game without breaking the 5e system (ex. instant candle flame that can set things on fire, fireproof and the spells you get from the forgotten ark that can change your height or summon objects/creatures)

[viral bay]

This was such a revelation for me, wow

I agree with a big majority of it

[cold sparrow]

you just can't put Skykids as they exist in Sky into a DnD game mixed with other DnD races
making a DnD game set in the world of Sky would require a homebrew campaign with homebrew rules for 'death' and specific challenges and balance checks for their flying and such

[dreamy saddle]

I'd give them a glide ability at lower levels with flight at higher levels maybe

[nimble ingot]

Indeed.
Making that manageable in a different setting would not be easy in terms or staying loyal to the Sky lore.

Winged light, Darkness and ability to speak to the dead does change the theme of a RP game.

[keen shore]

YEAH ITS FASCINATING, like there’s obviously two of them but the game refers to them as one when you meet them in orbit. The diamonds all elders have on their chests are also less complex for them, as if that light has been ‘split’ between them. I like to imagine that they’re normal twins without any magic shenanigans, but since they are the elders of the same realm they sort of traditionally count as one (if that makes sense)

[dreamy saddle]

or a fly ability that functions like Boots of Flying

[cold sparrow]

You'd need to write a whole ruleset for just the flying if you want to keep it authentic to the videogame
A flying ability whose charges/movement speed depends on environmental conditions
Bright Light recharges your light charges at a high enough speed
Updrafts increase your flight speed/how far you can fly or glide
Strong winds may knock you off your flight course

3.5e and Pathfinder 1e have rules for how well a creature can fly, and how much strong winds affect especially smaller creatures and objects. I'd look at some of those for reference

[nimble ingot]

What I have done is give them flying. But limited the time they can do it.
Their winged light levels were locked to class levels, so the higher levels gave them more flying time.

[dreamy saddle]

or treat opposing winds as difficult terrain, half movement

[nimble ingot]

Ohh.
That is a great idea. I'll have a look because that could be fun.

Skykids are not the most graceful of flyers, and a strong breeze would mess with them.
That and would add a bit of fun dynamics in a map.
(I'll credit you for that, because this is a pdf that has credits to past players who helped playtest things)

[cold sparrow]

For reference, this is mostly what I'm refering to, from Pathfinder 1e's Fly skill

and also this fun bit

[sharp lichen]

Only one such prophecy?

[cold sparrow]

This makes it so giant flying creatures, who usually have a Clumsy maneuverability, can't just make a U-turn within 10 feet and need to make large sweeping turns
An average Skykid I'd probably categorize as a Small creature with poor to average maneuverability
But the bonus they get could also depend on their proficiency/level/amount of flight charges or whatever

DCs would need to be adjusted if adapting this for 5e though, because 3.5e and PF1e played with much bigger numbers

[willow shoal]

yes

[hushed steeple]

Im guessing the rest were lost to time, like so much of what happened back then

[willow shoal]

The connection between the myth and the season is still unearthed.

[hushed steeple]

anyone think we might need to make an extra channel forsky dnd brainstorming
This all looks so fascinating🤩

[cold sparrow]

I don't think this warrants a standalone channel in this server
If anything, this should probably be moved to a different, private server if this is something people want to work on and discuss more
But it was a fun thing to think about and brainstorm for a bit

[nimble ingot]

Agreed.
At least I know who to ask for advice and invite to a session some time.

[hushed steeple]

thats fine too. As long as its all in one place
makeing a seperate server would make it easyer to focuse on different aspects of the game and have it all organised

[nimble ingot]

Saying this again, Thank you, Rooty and the folks on the server for your help.

[lusty merlin]

Obligatory post NOO WHY ISINT IT A GIF

[nimble ingot]

It was a mov file

[native galleon]

i just want to thank whoever made this bc it makes me laugh every. single. time

[nimble ingot]

That seems like it was a user on Tenor called ItsBeebo.

[keen shore]

Bea made it! He comes around here sometimes, but not super often

[nimble ingot]

Not looking for a fight.
The reason for saying beebo is the earliest image I could see on discord was 28/03/2023
While the gif is found on the internet (Tenor) on 3/14/2023

I could be wrong and am perfectly fine with that.

[sharp lichen]

#lore-discussion-spoilers has opened its doors to many topics only tangentially related to the Sky lore.

For example: headcanon lore, fanfiction and writing, height and calculations, and gameplay/game design.

I wouldn’t mind more Sky DND concepts later, in fact I have my own idea for how it would work

[balmy spoke]

~~Rarely any actual canonical lore ~~

[sharp lichen]

I know, I tried to show someone else’s Skykid DND concept to someone who hasn’t played Sky, and they were horrified at how overpowered they were.

My idea is for them to have clear, easy-to-exploit weaknesses, such as water, that the players have to figure a way around and the DM can use to create challenge.

[hushed steeple]

Until TGS finally release that artbook, animation project, or any actual lore comfermation or concept art, we are preaty much stuck with mostly semy canonical theories😅

[sharp lichen]

Not entirely, there’s lots of stuff to comb through in the game, though I don’t blame you if you don’t want to search through it all

[hushed steeple]

Oh dont get me wrong, I love combing through the game and figureing out the story.
But without any more official or concreat comfermation, it can get hard to try and explain it to someone, and just have it be "thats your headcannon"

Know what I mean😅

[timid dirge]

aw
do they ship to other countries? like turkey for example. because i'd love to buy one of these books when i get some money

[sharp lichen]

It’s very likely that we could have it so that one person gets the book and shares it all here

[hushed steeple]

This book doesnt even have a release date.
Its in the "were working on it" category of sky stuff

At least , as far as I know ( pleese let me be wrong😅)

[timid dirge]

oh i see 😅 my bad -i thought you took the pic by yourself lmao
thank you

[cold sparrow]

that's why my point is that Skykids as a DnD race (or class or whatever) would need to be developed as a standalone thing for a dedicated Skykid adventure if one wants to keep the feeling of the videogame

they wouldnt mix well with standard DnD races and campaigns as is, or -if you want to balance them accordingly- you'd just end up with something closer to aasimars or kenku (at which point you could just reskin either of these if you want to play a Skykid)

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, but it would be interesting to have a Sky themed DND game. Maybe, in that case, subraces could be used? I had an idea of Skykid subraces based on different playstyles

[hushed steeple]

Interesting🤔
Do tell☺️

[sharp lichen]

I’ll DM a link to it

[hushed steeple]

Actually, I do have a question about this sky dnd thing 🤔
Now, apologies in advance if this something obviace (I only saw the latest posts regarding the subject).....
but has anybody figured out how sky kid combat would even work?.....
I mean, in the game were all perma pacefists😅

Again, sorry if this is an dumb question, late to the game and all that...just cureous is all

[balmy spoke]

Technically krill are a combat element

We face tank them

[sharp lichen]

In most roleplay I did, Skykids rarely fought using melee equipment, instead using their flying skills to outwit the opponent.

Perhaps fighting classes could be like confetti candles and chairs that are used as weapons, while they’re far better at using spells

[untold notch]

i know someone who plays a skykid as a light domain cleric

[cold sparrow]

I mean that depends on what you'd want from the adventure
would you want some good old DnD combat? or would you want to stick with the no-combat pacifist style of the videogame?
because you could totally run a DnD game with absolutely no combat and just rp, utility spells and skill challenges

[untold notch]

id say skykids should be allowed to bite people but remembered there are no teeth in sky </3

[cold sparrow]

tho there's also other TTRPG systems published or in the work that have more of a focus on narrative adventures, much more so than dnd with its war game and dungeon crawl origins

[sharp lichen]

They could uh throw candles?

Skykids could probably use magic attacks far better, so I guess that has a lot of stuff to work with combat-wise

[hushed steeple]

also, speak to animals and healing are a definet must for a sky kid

[flint bolt]

Lore?

[fickle wing]

blasting my hc beam at skykids they can have teeth n fangs. As a treat

[sharp lichen]

Discussion.

[untold notch]

im so obsessed with skykids randomly grabbing things they should be given slime for enrichment

[hushed steeple]

also....do you think the 'honk' could be used as a combat ability. Like smaller honks could be used to break enemy concentration or couse disadvantage when close by to enemy....while the masive honk could do AOE thunder damage🤔

there could be multiple honk techneaks that you gain acess to as you level up

[fickle wing]

i wanna give a skykid one of those puzzle orbs

[flint bolt]

woah

[untold notch]

spoilers!

[fickle wing]

important lore question what mtn dew flavor would the elders be i think the twins would b frostbite

[sterile orchid]

SHARK
also this feels accurate to the twins

[untold notch]

dusk is radioactive green mtn dew

[sterile orchid]

is there a dark blue/purple flavor bc i feel like that's Night

[fickle wing]

there’s purple thunder

eden is code red

[nimble ingot]

Agreed.
I should consider balancing that in future tweaks.
Perhaps Darkness that takes hold of a skykid would prevent healing.

Though death is now a different problem.
While most (if not all) D&D races has perma-death. Skykids are canonically unkillable.
They literally have plot armour.

[hushed steeple]

well....kind off.
They can be killed, they just reincarnate much later.

[final ice]

Are the dates out of the upcoming events ?

[nimble ingot]

No need to apologise, to my knowledge, it has not been brought up often in the lore chat.

I have a homebrew adventure with skykids and thus far I have left it up to the players to decide how they fight.
Since the Sky game does not have a combat system, it is interesting to see how the players behave in D&D combat.
They use their abilities based on the D&D classes and take advantage of a few mechanics provided by the skykid race (such as flying).

What I have adapted to the game (which is an option in any run-of-the-mill D&D game) is include a fainting feature to the enemies.
That way, the players dont have to worry about accidently killing a creature, and also give them an opportunity to heal, spare, or kill the creature.

[pastel brook]

You want me to play you a lullaby or what?

[nimble ingot]

One way to estimate is by looking online to when last year's events took place.
Or ask in the #questions-and-help (recommended)

[queen pike]

is it just me, or do krill seem to be amphibious?

[lusty merlin]

Mantas in sky would count for that too, since the ones in santuary also dive into the water

[frigid tinsel]

You can bite with no teeth

[nimble ingot]

They do since we see them rise from the dark waters when not distrubed.

That and we do see some of them 'swimming' in the water in Treasure Reef.

[spark island]

Gudetama~

[queen pike]

yeah i was gonna say that there's a honk ton of them in Treasure reef, and the rest of Golden Wasteland.

wasn't wasteland called the shores of manna, or something similar to that in the concept art/early game?

emphasis on shores

[nimble ingot]

It was, yes.

Shores of Mana, then Dusk, then Golden Wasteland

[queen pike]

what if krill hatch like dragonfly nymphs?

because they really give off that vibe for some reason

[nimble ingot]

Possible.
These are Dark Dragons.
So Assumingly, they would be born from eggs.

As a personal head-fanon, I imagine them to be like sharks.
Which made their eggs looks a bit like shark eggs.

[queen pike]

yes, it is i. in the yolk.

[untold notch]

yeah but that's no fun

[sharp lichen]

Says who, it can hurt just as much with the right venom

[cold sparrow]

even without venom
a mouth with a sharp enough edge and enough power can still break skin

[frigid tinsel]

If skykids are made of some hardened material like clay often thought, then even without teeth they could cause some puncturing bites

[viral bay]

So far what are the foods available to skykids in Sky?

[cold sparrow]

light in various shapes and forms

[gaunt star]

Never been in the lore channel. Nor have I played dnd 5.e more than a month. But I feel like there's a lot of potential in the fireworks staff as a non-lethal combat weapon in a setting.

I.e: a staff able to convert light (using your light to use the staff instead of towards flight) into blinding sparks and bangs. Using it normally could possibly take a wisdom save of 10 to ignore and if failed, distracts an active threat towards the player like a taunt

And spark-striking. Slamming a charged staff against a surface towards a threat. Creating a non-harmful blast of concentrated light, blinding the target at a constitution save below 8

[nimble ingot]

Lol, staff casts a spell that targets a 20 x 20 feet area within a range of 60 feet. Any creatures within that area would have to make a DC 10 wisdom save or be blinded and stunned for 1 round.
(credit for the DC to Wasteland Soldier boy)

[arctic iron]

When I first learned about Eden, I immediately thought about Garden of Eden. But when I went there I was very surprised and ive wondered why it was called so. I sort of have an idea though, people also wonder where the eye is but the eye (like in hurricanes) is where the worst part that causes more destruction is. I wonder if it used to be a garden. Anyone know about it? Asking out of pure curiosity.

[cold sparrow]

It was most certainly once a more peaceful and much more beautiful place
There might have been gardens, but there definitely was a magnificent castle, which can still be seen in pieces floating on the way to orbit
Eden might have been its name before the disaster

[arctic iron]

Ooh I see. Any ideas how it mightve been destroyed?

[cold sparrow]

That's most likely due to the breaking of the eden diamond (as can also be seen in the final memory of the Shattering shards)
It is at the center of the storm in the eye of eden as we see it now, and is still erupting in a shower of dangerous shards every now and then
One can only imagine how much force the initial break had

[arctic iron]

I can imagine. So much damage so suddenly. It mustve been heartbreaking

[analog river]

I might as well toss this in, not really anything special but something I realized when it comes to spirits and whatnot.

Guess most of you know that, spirits whenever they come to visit or just seen through memories and such. They always appear to be bigger than us. 'Well those spirits are adults, of course their bigger.' I might hear you say but funny enough that even the child spirits are always a tad bigger than us, even at max height they still manage to tower players by a few inches.

And since most players do manage to fly even with the substantial evidence that we are technically made of clay or harden stone. (Aka, after getting hit by flying rocks or krill) My theory is that sky children had evolve themselves to be smaller and lighter to be able to fly longer distances.

Now I might go rambling on, but to keep it short, one of the evidence of this evolution, take a look at guide spirits. The Prophecy spirit guide, Gratitude, Lightseekers, Belonging. Spirits that (probably, I can't really tell since spirits all come from different times) had existed way before the war.

Then look at the spirit guides from the season of Dreams, Performance, Abyss, and especially Flight. Seasons that have shown to have lived through the war and Eden. Haven't you noticed their guides just seem... A little shrunk. Don't you think?

Honestly, I might just be rambling but what do you think? I don't really know if anyone had really said anything about this but it's always been bugging me seeing as the Prophecy guide just seems away too tall, even with growing potions. It's always been itching at the back of my brain.

[arctic iron]

That's a really good theory actually. It would explain a lot. We could've evolved to become smaller to fly faster too.

[analog river]

Tbh, there's more to that honestly, just more rambling but this can also relate back towards the fact why sky kids need more light (winged light) that the older spirits.

Notice the older spirits, the forest spirits specifically. Despite the rain, these spirits still manage to live in a cold environment while us sky kids, just the slightest contact of rain can drain us immensely. Which got me thinking, older spirits can just live normally because of their denser bodies because the heat of their cores are actually being protected by their bodies.

I'm guessing as we sky kids began to evolve, we have evolve ourselves to become less dense. Less density meaning, heat can escape way more easily.

Idk why I'm really humoring this theory tho, blame it on my writer side of me I guess.

[arctic iron]

I dont know much about the lore in sky but I love hearing people's theories even if its the smallest thing. Most games have no explanation for why things are the way they are, and people also dont really care about the lore, only about getting the best things in the game. But skykids themselves offer these explanations and I think that also somewhat contributes to the game and the community. Ive never even spoken in this chat and only read a few theories and each and every one of them have truth.

[hushed steeple]

Thats freaking geneous: pWow:
This is something thats been frustrating me about the hidden foreat for a long time, and now it makes so much more sence

[nimble ingot]

Personally, I would say that it could be a reference to the garden of Eden in the sense of it being the place of 'the original sin', the place that was once a paradise and also a place that could have been close to god, (which in this case could be the Megabird).

Other possibilities could be the place where the kingdom of Sky was first established. As well as the Sky Prince's placeholder name being Aleph (the first born).

However, these are hypotheticals despite the biblical connection.

[dreamy saddle]

I’ve always seen Eden as a place of rebirth even before the current time of the game. The concept art calls it a holy land and I think the strands of birds we see flying through each realm including Eden are like the arms of the megabird we see in orbit. It’s where they go to join megabird and be cycled back into rebirth, in an endless migration

See said ‘arms’ here as well as megabird symbol in stars

[mossy copper]

does anyone know the difference between sky kids and ancestors?

[nimble ingot]

One is alive, and the other is a ghost /hj

[arctic iron]

That's what I thought of as well.

After they had been given free will and disobeyed, he removed them from the garden. It's where everything started. Like you said, "original sin". Not sure if some sort of betrayal happened in this sense, but yeah

[hushed steeple]

Sky kids are the new race of sentiant being that arived from the stars after the previous race ( the ancesters) died out

Boath the anceaters, sky kids and the children of light have there origins in the stars ( or are at there core stars that becomed embodied when falling to earth)
However they are different races
Different ways of comeing to being, formed in the heavens at different eons before comeing to earth.....or some other thing that makes them not quite the same

At least, thats my curent hypothesis😅

[hushed steeple]

Oh, this looks so well made. I got to handid to you for makeing such a great theory

Though there are a few things that dont really fit with most of what's been given Im afraid😅

The idea that dream,performance.....ancesters lived after the big war doesnt seam quote right.

Mind you, TGS are a little tight lipped for now about how much of this is still cannon, but preaty much all the concept art strongly inply that the ending of the war is followed by an apocalyps that preaty much wipes out all the ancesters. Only spirits are left, and they seam to be awakening more and more as the world is very slowly

The part about skykids evolution is true...thought probably not in the exact way you imagined.
Since sky kids are stars that were embodied when comeing to earth, its not really "evolution" in the proper sence, since we are not directly decended from the anceaters in the traditional sence😅

But everything you wrote is kinda true from a curtain point of view, since this world has reincarnation, with the stars going to earth, dieing, going to orbit, and incarnating again, and it is mantioned that the creatures of sky "evolved" by this process

So that could be the case for skykids, where in this new wave of incarnation, we were born in a form that is a reaction to the new would we would inhabit, smaller, lighter, faster and so on

So yeah, your theory all corect with extra steps😅

[willow shoal]

I’m working on the information about the beta testing in China mainland, and here’s the 3rd testing’s updates.

Correction:
empty nest scene means Aviary.

[nimble ingot]

All I am seeing is a few exciting things that feels illegal to talk about in Lore chat.
But if this is public access, than it should be considered a leak.
However, this is also the chinese server we are talking about. Which can make walking that line between beta and live very fine.

[sturdy wyvern]

I think it says 2019 in the top corner

[cold sparrow]

that seems to be from the light awaits beta, yeah

[nimble ingot]

(am starting to despise the bot more now)
This is what Aqua wrote.

The public access part I am referring to is the Light Awaits info.
While the leak part is about Aviary. Especially details that may be in the update.

[cold sparrow]

there was an area in the early version of the game that was called the Aviary, which this old update from the Light Awaits beta is most likely talking about
the old Aviary afaik got removed as homespace because it was bad for performance and the gameplay flow the devs wanted
while this is an interesting glance into the development process, it doesn't tell us anything about the new Project Aviary

(THAT SAID, this also isn't the place for leaks or translations about the new Project Aviary - unless that is specifically shared by the devs in #news
beta content needs to stay in the beta channels, and leaks don't belong in this server at all)

[nimble ingot]

I agree with the the first part on why aviary was removed.
Also, that it supposedly help with pacing for beginning players to remove aviary so they get to the other realms faster (hence the addition of home)
Though digress on the latter.

The point of Project Aviary is to bring back the very Aviary from Light Awaits.
The one old players sorely missed ever since it was removed.

Leaks of old gameplay is no longer considered a leak in today's terms.

For example, the beta build of the Abyss ship (what I consider the better version of the Abyss ship), would have been a leak before the season of Abyss was released. But not after the season reached live.

[cold sparrow]

I haven't been there for Light Awaits and the original Aviary
but what we can see in the announcement trailer with the little town and such seems different from what images I've seen of the original Aviary
no, reports of what the original Aviary was like isn't a leak, but unreleased details about the new Project Aviary is
and sure, there's probably going to be some similarities there
and like you said yourself... grabbing information from the chinese server that's not public in the international one is kind of a fine line here

just be careful with discussing Project Aviary things because all we have is the recent teaser, and aside from 'leaves are canon' there's not much lore content to be gained from that

[nimble ingot]

Agreed. not a lot of lore. .
And aside from the occasional pitfalls to be mindful of. There is plenty of room for speculation.

I predict that Aviary would be in the cloudy space after the Isle Temple.
Because that was more or less how the pacing was in the old Light Awaits.
And where I imagine a place almost as big as the ancient Aviary to be.

That and it would preserve the emptiness of the Isle beach that the devs seemingly prefer to have over the version of Dawn in Light Awaits that had entire ruins and bridges.
Personal bias aside, it would be cool to revise the Isle starter beach some day. Just to add more content and value to the realm.
Even a tutorial realm deserves recognition and reflect the mystery and wonder of the other realms while still being accessible to new moths.

[pastel brook]

Inconceivable!

[nimble ingot]

Oh hush, I doubt you have seen the realms of Sky, let alone the outside of your virtual house. /j

[sharp lichen]

It’s confirmed, by the way, they Ancestors and Skykids were separated from each other by a few hundred years

[hushed steeple]

Oh, that sounds like great idea. The other side of the island is totally inexesible anyway, so its posibble that the new aviary+ village + other stuff could be there, although TGS might come up with something else

[hushed steeple]

Knew it🤩🤩👍

[sharp lichen]

From the Switch Trailer

(However, I don’t know if hundreds of years is a good time frame for spirits to evolve, since that takes millions of years)

[queen pike]

what if the king was just a bunch of skykids in a trench coat? either that, or he was wearing stilts.

[hushed steeple]

Not neceserally.
Like I mentuoned before, they didnt "evolve" the way it happens in our world.
The skykids are not the great, great, great............kids of the ancesters.

They are new stars that incarnated into phisical bodies.
The reason the skykids first come to earth a few hundered years after the explosiin of the edan diamond is becouse it was only then that the would had calmed down enough for life to start flureshing again, and so the stars that were sent by Megabird were given a form more sutible for the new world and the task they would need go take up

[hushed steeple]

Wrote more on that here

[sharp lichen]

So basically, Skykids reincarnate differently over the years? That’s a really interesting theory

It could also be why the first Skykids we save in Eden are stuck there, while we can go above: they weren’t powerful enough

It’s interesting that even after three years, I still here completely new and original theories about Sky lore! I might add this to my own fanfictions and such

[hushed steeple]

Thanks☺️
Also, speaking off "adf this to my fanfiction", I was just about to write something you might find interestint

Now Im 99% shure what Im about to say next is NON-cannon, but it is a fun way to look at things☺️

I kinda see the village that is about to be revealed in the new Aviary as the first true skykid community ( as in something new that was made after the fall of the old empire)

-Our race started as just a cuple of individuals that were focused on makeing the journey to edan and helping out the spirits and creatures along the way
-Over time, more stars would come to earth, while some of stars we helped returne back to the havens would be inspired to take part in the cycle of reincarnation and help heel the planet bellow
-over the comeing years, we grew to a few dozen, to a few hundered by the time a lot of the season lands begone to be descivered

[keen shore]

They were just one skykid, (skyfolk????? Our group might not be limited to kids) most likely

[hushed steeple]

-As the years passed, most skykids stoped being super focused on makeing the pilgramige to edan and started seteling in different areas of sky for longer periods of time.

We see in the shatering season openong that yoh got groups of skykids in priery just hanging out and living there lifes before the meteor started falling😅
By this point however there were over 1000 skykids that were scatered across the realms and could rush in to tend to the spread of darkness when the eruptions were at there most comman

[sharp lichen]

I think, in terms of the game’s canon, at least a few thousand Skykids exist in the present. After all, most of them would be in the stars as constellations.

And Skykids are good at making their own communities, Shared Spaces is an example of that

[hushed steeple]

Dont worry, I was just getting to that☺️

By the time the season of aurora is at its ending phases, to total skykid population numbers at 3000+ ( the most the coloseum could hold basicly), and its still growing

[sharp lichen]

I always thought the Skykid population grew a little, then stayed at a fixed amount. The Sky kingdom is pretty small, how many Skykids do you need before things get crowded?

[hushed steeple]

Depends on how you look at things😅
The actual in lore world would be way bigger then the game maps we play in

[sharp lichen]

My theory is that “resting” (offline) Skykids stay in the stars, where they form constellations. Millions of them sleep in the night sky.

[hushed steeple]

We have already seen the striking difference between the game trailers and in game content😅

So this would be like a whole continent were exploring
Plenty of room for a few thousend sky kids to not feel at all crowded

[sharp lichen]

In my opinion, i think the idea of non-young Skykids is incredibly odd, if not impossible. Being permanently young seems to be a counter to the mortal lives of the ancestors

[soft timber]

flies in here Regardless of age, it could mean that there would be more adult looking Skykids and child looking Skykids.

[hushed steeple]

Thats a good point
Also, the king was not really a "sky kid" in the way are

[nimble ingot]

Imagining how skykids go, they either let their bodies lay somewhere in a dormant state, that is like a trance or a deep sleep. Though you can see a flicker of their light still, like a low lit fire or an ember.
When they wake up, the flame would spark up and their eyes light up fully.

That, or as Baud suggests, they dematerialise and would return when they are called upon (summoned) or whenever they felt like it.

Either case, both could may as well be plausible since the game does not explain this at all. Other than just simply letting the player avatar disappear from the game (despawn), or lay idle and go afk (sleep).

[hushed steeple]

I think your first idea is probably the most plosible

Considering what a huge deal and hardship going through and reaching the heavens is....it probably makes more sence that stay on earth for most of the time insted of just freely going to heaven and back like its no big deal

Also your description is so awsome and its now cannon in my version of sky lore😍

[frigid tinsel]

we don't know if skykids are capable of physically aging. at least skykids haven't been around long enough to witness them aging

[soft timber]

And that is if they can physically age in the sense that we can, we know they can get bigger and smaller through spells

[sharp lichen]

Having different sizes still a lot different than getting older though

[hushed steeple]

This does beg the queation how long has it been since the first sky kids come to earth....

Like, maby a few decades at the most.....
Some of ondest skykids might have taken a long rest as stars after so many reincarnations, so most of us are still probably young

[nimble ingot]

As far as the game is concerned.
4 years.
That is if you count account ages to skykids.
Which is extremely rare given the amount of development involved in the game.
And with the lore being partially meta, which is what I am basing this theory on.

[hushed steeple]

Not a bad idea
Though maby thats a bit too short. Like maby its more like 8 years ( 1 Irl year are 2 sky years)

[sharp lichen]

The Skykids at Eden that we have to save could very well be there for hundreds of years.

In terms of the game, we’re somewhat treated as the first Skykid of a new generation, since we get to free all the spirits. This is another case of lore somewhat muddling with the gameplay, since it would be incredibly boring if past Skykids did everything for us.

[hushed steeple]

That is compleatly understandible
One always need to keep in mind to juggle between gameplay features and in-universe lore stuff
Not take everything in the game as 1-1 whats hapening in the story

[sharp lichen]

Gameplay features don’t always mean lore, but they can help with the lore

[nimble ingot]

rip text block

[keen shore]

We don’t know this for sure! The only known difference is they didn’t have WL

[hushed steeple]

Exaxtly😁
Like I have to imagine in universe that skykids dont go around the world colecting light from treasure candles

But what could be hapening is that the go around the world burning dark plants that keep growing all the time, as well as keeping maintenence on all the old constructions from the old world and helping out light creatures in need
( and keeping an eye for where the next meteor would fall so that the nearest sky kids can mobilize a party to take care of it

[keen shore]

This bit is up to interpretation bc we don’t know for sure. TGC would likely not ever implement a mechanic where our skykids slowly aged, so we’d never know from that, and rn most things abt the king are personal speculation :3c
Personally I like to think they aged a bit bc I really don’t like the implications of a child being pushed into such a position of power so early. However they probably didn’t have much time anyways…

[earnest briar]

Alternatively they could have grown up, but their mental growth was faster than their physical growth.

[hushed steeple]

If we are talking about the old king, just remember that he becomes a giant by the end of it. He doesnt stay the prince forever

As for todays sky kids, yeah we probably havent had enough time to see changes
They might grow/age a lot slower ( and in adition differenrly) to humans as well, so there is that too

[frigid tinsel]

agreeing with Enzan, I think skykids at most mentally mature depending on their experiences but do not physically age, in part cos they're inorganic and not built that way

[brisk python]

i like that

[sturdy wyvern]

Wait, isn’t there colored magic associated with illusions? What if the King just used that to make himself look taller in front of the public? I can definitely see how the king mentally aged, but was worried about themself not physically aging (they are the first skykid after all).

(note: it’s really late at night right now and I have no idea if this makes sense grammatically)

[lusty merlin]

Think your talking about purple light: which has shown to be able to make things appear with the ark potion section.

I personally like to think despite being able to interact with it, that it’s still an illusion because of the vault floor theory I have it also being an illusion

[frigid tinsel]

I think purple light less creates “illusions” that are not real but rather manifests and alters realty. That’s what magic does, which is the other suggested term for purple light. The Vault appears to decay because either the purple light has gone haywire or whatever has happened to Night who was holding the Vault’s reality together

[lusty merlin]

Yaya you explain it more well for what I was trying to get at

[trim wren]

I think it’d be really funny if he just wore really tall shoes like the guy from the lego movie instead of making himself tall with an illusion

[frank cloak]

Quaso 🥐 is the next elder confirmed

[compact shale]

Huh.
I feel like I understood the Passage of Assistance even worse than the last one...

[cold sparrow]

helping each other (assisting each other) to collect the floating masks

[compact shale]

Right. Yep.
Just wondering how that relates to Mope exactly?
Is it encouraging them to run around or something?

[cold sparrow]

it encourages them to be social with the others and stick around, rather than going off on their own

and yes, it might encourage them to put a little pep in their step too
especially as the masks gradually pick up pace

by the time they're zooming around you're invested and want to catch all of them

[compact shale]

Ah! Okay...
Though in that case...
Do you think when there starts to be 2 masks at the same time, they might end up running on their own to get one while everyone else gets the other?
Hmmm...

[hushed steeple]

The concept art ( and what we can infer from what remains of the game) specificly says that the prince/king was the first child of light, not sky kid
While I dont fully underatand the distinction between those two, they seam to be similar but not entirelly the same thing

[cold sparrow]

repeating my own post for that... but looking closer at the concept art of the 'king', it rather looks like the silhuette of the prince on a pedestral, backlit by this star shape, rather than a whole person themselves

[hushed steeple]

Oh yeah, almost forgot about that😅
Then do you think that his ginat form was what he turned into after tempering with forcess he wasnt supoast to

[cold sparrow]

the corrupted king rather looks like the tip of one of these turrets or building ornaments from the original designs, ripped off its tower and held aloft by a mass of darkness

of course, there's also concepts like this, which show the king as more of a solid form, almost a person
it's most likely that there were different ideas and concepts for what the King is and how they would appear (if at all) throughout the development
and which one would be the most 'accurate' is hard to say, because aside from vague imagery, none of them have made their way into the game (as of yet)
so obviously this is all speculation based on various concepts

but yeah, I can imagine that the visual of the King is (or was meant to be) more of a fabricated, possibly intentionally intimidating, guise of the Prince, which then became more and more part of their identity until corruption just took over

[hushed steeple]

That sounds about right to be honest.
Being in charge of the old empire, he probably had access to the cuting edge magic and light tech at the time, so he might have gradually adopted more and more shapechanging spells and over time more permanent transformations to his body to make himself bigger and more powerfull over the centuriess....until he eventually went to far😅

Also, I thinking about all this, I keep getting reminded of this moment in shrek🤣🤣🤣

[sharp lichen]

If height potions existed in the Sky world, it would be quite funny for the King to just drink that. Imagine them trying to use hundreds of height potions only to end up shorter

[vocal terrace]

I'm sorry but I HAD TO DRAW IT

[sturdy wyvern]

Little skrunkly :)

[vocal terrace]

Little ol scrimblo

[soft timber]

This made my day, I love it

[trim wren]

If you pushed him even slightly he’d fall over

Imagine trying to walk in those shoes

[queen pike]

i knew he was wearing stilts!

[spark cairn]

Consider

[untold notch]

they tried to put me on the cover of vogue but my legs were too long /ref

[wary saffron]

Long boi

Also, hello lore people. I've come to observe and hopefully learn some things

[sharp lichen]

Hello, do you want a document that helps explain it?

[wary saffron]

Yes, please!

[sharp lichen]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

[wary saffron]

Thank you!

[marble lynx]

Do you think the Eden diamond can actually "see" the things?

[sharp lichen]

Depends on whether you consider the Eden Diamond/ Void of Shattering sentient, which is an interesting topic by itself

[nimble ingot]

My speculation leads me to belief that the crystal could be sentient.
The real question is how sentient.
It can tell when a skykid is about to die by lighting up with a white light.
Which is an interesting detail given the are is the more corrupt and yet has that flash of hope, literally.

And (again, my speculative opinion), should it infact be the guide, it would certainly present an interesting study case on what on earth happened in sky.

As in, did all of civilisation's souls in Eden been absorbed by the crystal, or what?

How is everyone in lore chat doing?

[hushed steeple]

doing great ☺️

i dont know if the crystal is sentiant enought to make contious decisions like a person would
Its possible that there is indeed some form of inteligence but its likely more reactive and instinctual rather than calculating

[marble lynx]

in my hc, it will ruin the entire kingdom of Sky even more horrible than the destruction we can see in the game

[hushed steeple]

it kinda did already, long long ago 😅
It posibly tried to do it again dureing the season of shatering, but thats not gonna happen as long as we have anything to say about it

[marble lynx]

It is a more horrifying vision, the ground of each realm has so many large cracks and gaps (powerful like the Richter scale level 7 - 9 earthquake), or even tsunami. Darkness crept out from these wide gaps, they are more aggressive and horrible than the krills and shard crabs

[flint bolt]

hey.

give the epic lore of water

[hushed steeple]

interesting
A possible prophesy of a doom to come

[untold notch]

tastes good, except for when it doesn't

[hushed steeple]

Actually there might be something to it.
Its kinda conected to how the crystals are made in the first place, and how the process evolved over time

In the early stages of the crystal age (as depicted in the forest temple dores), the power crystals were made by fusing the row crystal ore and other materials with the light the light that was transpirted from places like priery

In the case of the forest temple/factor
-You have light that was farmed and harveated in priery that was stored in jars and then traded to the forest kingdom ( the priery kingdon had a surpluss of spear light while the forest kingdom were master craftsman)
-And you have the cristals that were mined from the hills and underground groto

all that was processed in the temple factory to produce the crystals

But as time passed and the civilization got bigger and bigger, the demand for larger amount of more powerfull crystals increased
The traditional ways of harvesting light were just not cutting it, and slowly over the decades, more drastic methods were developed

Ultimatly, light energy is a part of everything in this universe, in the air, in the earth, in the plants, in the animals.....
however, its not present in the same amount and density everywhere
It probably started with the anchants draining the light from all the trees thay can aford to cut down ( and more so over time)

(just keep in mind,not finished yet)

[hexed arrow]

Then does that mean the war we see remnants of in the Golden Wasteland and the memory in The Seed section of the AURORA concert was the result of limited resources??

[hushed steeple]

But in time a new standard for creating crystals was developed
That being...sacrefising sky creatures and draining them of all there light. The concentration of that much power was what sustained the empire in its most advanced stages

-We see in forest temple how mantas were keeped inprisoned until they were released ( in the concept art, this was gonna be streight up cages)
-Season of aurora possibly confermed this with mantas being capured and caged in mass
-And then there is the abyss, where expreimants and resurch were made into how to further develope this process, from more efficiant draining to breading mantas in bigger forms more quickly

[hexed arrow]

Ohhh that makes sense for Treasure Reef I thought the city in Treasure Reef was separate from the Kingdom of Sky and sacrificed Light Creatures to the Leviathan.

[hushed steeple]

All this was streight up canon in the concept arts, and most of the new lore stuff we get recently in the game kinda hints that this is still the case

[untold notch]

I'd hesitate to place concept art as canon but it is true that it aligns with what the game shows

[hushed steeple]

Well, the Laviathan is what happened when the secret and in-human (in-anchant😅 ) experimant went terribly wrong

[flint bolt]

f a s c i n a t i n g

[hexed arrow]

Experiment?

[hushed steeple]

Abyss was one of the biggest producers of light crystals in the empire dureing the days before the grat war started

[untold notch]

I've always seen the abyss crew as pirates, scavenging darkstone crystals from the flooded refinery

[hushed steeple]

that is exactly what it is

And it was a far off location where the anchants there were free to develope the sky tech to create the crystals far from public eye

[untold notch]

ah, I misunderstood what your message meant

[hushed steeple]

all the cutting edge methods that were later inplimented in the larger waistland factorys and much later the edan industrial complex were likely started in the abyss factory town

[untold notch]

i also want to point out during this conversation how the injury in Wounded Warrior's mask resembles darkstone crystals

[hushed steeple]

I know

unfortunatly its super late here, and my brain power has droped to 3%
so I leave you guys to ignore or agrue over this as you see fit

[untold notch]

goodbye for now, then

[hushed steeple]

thanks for the suport🤗
bye

[sharp lichen]

To shift a bit, do you think the Ancestors ate mantas?

I wonder if it would be like corn in the real world, where they were used for both food and fuel

[untold notch]

they probably could just grow corn