lore-discussion-spoilers

[bitter pond]

i did not know there was chosen one😆 i hate the trials

[lean kayak]

I dislike playing the trials too but the murals all over the cave are very interesting to study!

[terse agate]

Maybe there is multiple kings

[balmy spoke]

A king of each realm/shrug

[bitter pond]

oh wait this just came to mind,

after the explosion, the people on there way to offer the newly born king, were those skykids on the eye of eden, that needs light from us, it is us that lets their spirits free. (i had too much coffee)

[lean kayak]

Thats a very interesting theory, actually! However some other players theorize that the elders tried to stop the Eden diamond from exploding but they were too late

[bitter pond]

you're giving my mind ideas for stories that shouldn't be typed😭😭

[lean kayak]

Oh no, go bonkers! I love reading other people's theories!

[tepid veldt]

anyone can go bonkers in lorechat

[sharp lichen]

I have a whole video on this

[bitter pond]

okay, here uhm... "on the seventh day, the elders gathered at the kingdom of eden, not knowing of the tragedy that awaits them and their realm, in hopes to witness the birth of the one who will rule the seven maps of the waking cloud (waking world something like that) one of the spirits had other plans... the elder used dark magic and casted a spell to the unborn king, 'on the day that the king is ready (18y/o) he will be thorn by a crystal fallen from the sky'" and that brings us to the crystal bursting out and ⚰️ of sky

(side effect of drinking coffee)

[terse agate]

Imagine the king died than the elder tried to revive him using the big power diamond

[sharp lichen]

My theory is the “King/Resh” tried to sacrifice themselves to stop the Eden Diamond from exploding any further

[bitter pond]

imagine this, TGC decides to release a season that eden will host... giving us lores that will open up more lores...

[balmy spoke]

There are additional white clouds under ||orbit|| on the map

Who knows if that means anything...

[bitter pond]

ohh and it will give us access to the kingdom as well

okay different lore, I HATE IT WHEN COFFEE MAKES MY BRAIN ACTIVE 😭, we see the elder of the vault crying in the cut scene and a broken crystal before entering eden, unlike other maps there's also a door that leads to 'home' maybe... the spirits (spirits we get to relive) used that door to escape the red crystal that is the doom of the whole sky, the vault elder devoted herself to seal that portal, that is why we need 20 wings to enter eden, and why the vault is so high up

[lean kayak]

Just a reminder that you don't have to spoiler tag anything in here

[bitter pond]

how do you do a spoiler tag?

[tepid veldt]

two of || on both sides of the text

[bitter pond]

ohhh

[tepid veldt]

||boo!||

[bitter pond]

imma update you guys, but imma make a book, about SKY lmao, imma title it 'The Land That Once Was Green'

i can't guarantee but imma try

[lean kayak]

For spoiler tagging pictures you can tap on the picture you're sending and then mark it a spoiler

[tepid veldt]

im glad for that it was SUCH a pain to spoil photos on mobile before

[sharp lichen]

Ao3!

[bitter pond]

THE LAND THAT ONCE WAS GREEN

*birds chirping, A man reached his staff over and a butterfly hopped over,
The other had a bottle,
There they store the light,
That brings peace at night,
A girl, stubborn to be a fighter,
Held an anvil and crafted the finest swords,
The twins,
Who always competes,
There the lonely soldier,
Waited for the light to shine o'er his land,
A place where the past is sealed,
A girl sits,
To never let anyone in

free versed poetry <33

[scenic siren]

Who do you all think named the elders? They named each other? Pick own name? Fantasy humans named them? From that internet list "100 baby names for big baby born from magic space bird"?

[tepid veldt]

i vote for the last one

[bitter pond]

I WAS SLEEPY AND OMG😭😭😭 but maybe they gained they're names from there traits, like what they are good at

[tepid veldt]

dawn - perfect for a friend shaped friend
day - perfect for a friend shaped friend
rain - perfect for a friend shaped friend
sunset - perfect for a friend shaped friend
dusk - perfect for sad
night - perfect for a friend shaped friend

[untold notch]

but what about their Other Names™️

[random token]

1 million names

[balmy spoke]

I wonder how many random names a sky kid can think of.. has to be a limit or allows duplicates

[sharp lichen]

It’s based on a random generator. There’s a minimum length (I think around 4), a maximum length, and every vowel has to be followed be a consonant or vice versa.

[fiery rock]

Hi, may I post a non-beta screen shot? I have a question about the golden wastelands

[untold notch]

you can only post non-beta screenshots here beta isn't allowed in this channel

what's your question?

[fiery rock]

Is this just a creepy Easter egg or is there any lore behind this scary face in the last section of the wastes?

[untold notch]

I don't think I've ever seen that before is that water or rocks or?

[fiery rock]

It's the dark waters before you get to the broken down city

I was trying to see how how I could fly going up and then I saw that and took a pic

[lusty merlin]

I think it’s an Easter egg! I think abyss clouds and valley ice rink also have faces

[untold notch]

I'm not sure! it might just be how the lakes formed, as I know they can make shapes like that irl

[cold sparrow]

prairie has a candle smiley face

[fiery rock]

That's awesome! Nice Easter egg jump scare lol

[cold sparrow]

now I wonder if there are any secret faces in the other realms too

[keen shore]

Man, Dusk doesn’t even get a happy face

[untold notch]

why would they

[keen shore]

I know there’s a candle smiley face in the cave of prophecies somewhere, Bea knows where it is but no matter how hard I try I can never find it

[untold notch]

they would know

[keen shore]

absolutely

[random token]

Sad faces

[rigid iron]

It's a heart ❤️ fly through the hole in the top of the cave to the little floating rock and the candles are arranged in a heart

[frigid tinsel]

The candles in the cavern under Prairie Elder’s altar form a smiley :)

[rigid iron]

Ran over there rq but here it is

[brisk python]

i remember my friend showing me the smiley candles in prairie elder temple and i was like,,,omg thats so cute
im So Glad there's more

[fiery vale]

Aww that's so cute, where is that?

[austere bridge]

on today’s episode of: skycord being weird on a ts reveal, piggyback lightseeker is now Scottish for some reason

[atomic lava]

[untold notch]

there's also Brazil and France

[languid island]

Do Skykids see dreams, we know they sleep at least

[lost wing]

do they have brains? If they have brains they probably dream.

[frigid tinsel]

They don’t need brains to be animate — this is a fantasy world

[crude flame]

I personally like to think they can, and we do have some things in-game somewhat related to, or similar to dreams at least, such as the Season of Dreams, or the often dreamlike state of the Vault

[sterile orchid]

All the flags included are Scotland, France, Brazil, trans, and gay

[thorn berry]

Season of Dreams might not be referring to dreams as in what you have when you sleep, but rather dreams as in aspirations, but I still agree on how the Vault is very dreamlike

I guess that question will be answered if we ever get a sleepwalking expression lol

[crude flame]

Yeah I agree it’s more likely referring to aspirations, since it’s the little spirit’s ‘dream’ to become a skater and perform in the coliseum, but the wording is still there so I figured I’d mention it as well !

[crude flame]

Or some other dreaming expression I suppose, a sleepwalking emote would be quite funny considering the new addition of the jolly skipping emote and tiptoeing emote though

[lusty merlin]

Ya I agree, hell they grow crystals when they’re hit and out of light and can survive literal rocks being thrown at them in eden. I don’t think them having brains to be animate is their concern, I just think they’re made of light straight up

[lusty merlin]

Then again I think that for everyone with varying degrees, or clay too in my hc

[random token]

we is brainless

[cobalt palm]

we only grow crystals when hit by darkness, whether that is shards or dark creatures, not rain or wasteland sludge.

My original thought after the crawling crystal update is that our shell is made of darkstone with a light core, but I'm starting to suspect the crystals are put onto us by dark rather than grow from within us

I did wonder if the dark room and void are the same place, and that is inside of a darkstone shell

[floral skiff]

What kind of weaponry did the ancestors have?

[cobalt palm]

We have seen spears, swords, and shields, but there is a catapult in wasteland too.

[floral skiff]

No bows?

[cobalt palm]

Some theorise that krill are weapons too

Yes there is one bow, but it seems to be used more for hunting (the dismayed hunter in forest)
We haven't seen bows used in battle, but throwing spears used for range

[sterile orchid]

i think the crystals are darkness trying to take over but bc sky kids have so much light within them it burns it away, mostly because if you look at the crystals on the sky kids they're not shooting out from inside them, it's more on them

and the only reason we die at the end of Eden is because we have no more light to burn it

[cobalt palm]

The Apologetic Lumberjack also has an axe, but those seem more geared towards forestry than war. Also they have harpoon guns and net cannons, but again used more for hunting than warfare

[lusty merlin]

There’s the ancestor with the purple cape that uses a bow In their memory

[sterile orchid]

dismayed hunter has a bow, yeah

[cobalt palm]

I did have a theory that they are the one who shot down the light whale that crashed into the building at the bridge, just by the direction of shooting

[sterile orchid]

Hermit has two very large axes in the hut but there's no way to tell what those were actually used for

[cobalt palm]

Yeah, no trees in valley, but could be for ice chopping

[hushed steeple]

Wouldnt that be saws though?

[sterile orchid]

i don't think people use saws to cut through ice

[frigid tinsel]

It depends on what you’re using the ice for. You can chop ice with axes, but saws could be for large precision cuts

[sterile orchid]

the ones i'm talking about look more like IRL battle axes as well, which is why it's so hard to tell what they were actually for

[floral skiff]

I wish we could have a bow as an outfit item

[frigid tinsel]

True and mountains at such high elevations tend to have sparser vegetation, but I wonder if there used to be trees

[cobalt palm]

Just looked up how igloo blocks are cut, looks like a long knife machete style cutting tool

[torn eagle]

didnt one of the staff say that the dreams spirits were all performers?

probably those axes were part of hermits performance

[random token]

I agree with this one. Like how crabs got the darkness sprouts

[keen shore]

isle is Scotland

[tepid veldt]

ISLEEEEE FOREVERRRRR-

[lusty merlin]

LOUD CLASSIC IRISH MUSIC

[rigid mural]

BLARES BAGPIPES

[sharp lichen]

I thought Eden was Britain

[frigid tinsel]

Cos it’s a hellscape?

[brittle flax]

is manta projector just a projector or are there manta spirits trapped in it bc you can fly on the mantas... or... do manta spirits fly everywhere and do they become visible using the lamp?

[keen shore]

maybe all the mantas that look like that are just projected mantas

[uncut pond]

The ghost mantas are called "memories", since the whisperer spirit that gives the ghost manta call is called "memory whisperer"

Maybe, just maybe, "projectors" in Sky produce tangible things because of how Light has magical properties, remember that light contains memories, and projectors irl just project light

[bitter pond]

HI LORE CHAT I HAVE COME AGAIN ehe

I traveled through land,
Whose sand is as deep as the ocean,
There is a man sitting,
Staring blankly to the world before him,
He lifts his staff,
And I reached my hand,
A butterfly came out and brought light to the aisle.

I flew over a meadow,
O'er its hills and mountains,
A kingdom stood, but no one to rule,
A man came out with a bottle,
And thousands of lights burst out.

I stumbled upon a forest,
Where rain seems to never end,
A lady sat there,
Swore to forge weapons for his brother.

There was this valley i came across my journey,
There i met the twins,
Who would never agree with each other,
But their quarrel brought their people together.

Along the way i met the forest lady's brother,
He held a weapon that no dragon would care about.

There is this chamber,
High as far as I can see,
At the top there's this lady,
"What are you doing here" I say,
She looked and brought me to the end of my journey.

This is what i think of sky realms, what if the lady in the forrest is the sister of the warrior in wasteland?

[floral skiff]

memory manta leviathan is a cool sight

[bitter pond]

i have a question, why do we never get a daily quest from ISLE?

[floral skiff]

Not enough isle activities I suppose

[sharp lichen]

We have relive a spirit, open a two player door, and maybe even trials

[floral skiff]

Trials

No sapling?

[sterile orchid]

Isle is the "tutorial world" so i can only see us getting daily quests for it if they add another season or two to it

[flint bolt]

You know what realm we REALLY need a season in?

The Home Island.

[frigid tinsel]

Arguably Shattering was

[slate saffron]

flips table over

WERE THE ANCESTORS MAMMALS?

[balmy spoke]

Wdym? The ice is still around from last season

[lost wing]

Are mantas mammals, fish or birds??

[frigid tinsel]

Yes

[sharp lichen]

NO, THEY HAD NO HAIR NOR FUR AND WERE MADE OF LIGHT

[slate saffron]

So... marsupials then?

Can't believe the ancestors were Australian SMH SMH

[keen shore]

I’m pretty sure ancestors had hair, dude

[lost wing]

There was probably a written language at some point in sky history, because we see books in some areas. But do you think sky kids can read? Also, did ancestors talk with honks/chirps like sky kids or with real words?

[frigid tinsel]

personally I think skykids are illiterate, but I've seen headcanons that skykids can be taught to read & write ancestor language or coin their own

[half shadow]

we don’t really know! i’m not sure if we’ve conclusively seen anything that would look like a written language in world tbh

[sharp lichen]

They're not flesh-like, they're more like more physical light beings

[keen shore]

Idk, based on the switch trailer at the very least they definitely seem to have skin

[sharp lichen]

But they deteriorate far different than regular humans do- I don't think ancestors are comparable to mammals or humans.

[keen shore]

Same, but they still have hair

[pastel brook]

hey, hey! I have a theory!

If your Skykid had a mentor, what Ancestor would it be?

[amber night]

Isle really needs another season

[sterile orchid]

it does! but what would it be.

[amber night]

Wasn’t Isle an agrarian village before the calamity?

and trading center

[amber night]

Maybe, there could be a area off toward the sea that would need a boat to cross. It would be a field with a small village. The field would initially start off dead and similar to the small farm in ark. There the spirit guide would need help to gather the villagers to tend to the farm. The last quest would involve cooking for the mantas and be able to befriend them. Much like the bird in wind paths.

Season of Harvest

There had to be a very large farm area to feed the kingdom’s population and soldiers before the calamity. So fair there is no evidence of large scale agriculture in all the realm. Maybe golden wasteland before the war and all farms were destroyed during the war.

[frigid tinsel]

a lot of Isle seems to be underwater but according to the animated trailers it wasn't always. I wonder if an Isle season would have us swimming underwater, exploring flooded ruins

[brisk python]

kinda similar to the treasure reef ? :0

[frigid tinsel]

yea but rather than a research and mining facility, it'd be domestic settlements

[junior mesa]

this is an amusing take but my personal headcanon is that sky kids have their own language akin to sign language and thats why expressions are so important for sky kids :)
granted i don't think most sign languages have a written form (although if anyone knows better feel free to correct me) so i guess they could still be illiterate in that regard! i just don't think theyre completely devoid of language either ^^

[random token]

Honestly I wouldn't think it's impossible, they can process what the murals mean

I don't think ancestors have hair anywhere other than their heads

[sterile orchid]

The hair is also wax texture

[silver shore]

i mean there is literally a spirit called timid bookworm so books definitely canonically exist

[shell lava]

There’s a bookshelf that also implies they at least used to exist too

[lean kayak]

Idk if this has been discussed before... but what do you guys think is in the memory lanterns you light up in vault? Do you think the cosmic mantas carrying them have their memories stored in them?

[rigid mural]

Hmm the ultimate gift does let you summon some, and during the quests you can see that the lanterns contain memories of props; maybe cosmic mantas are what an ancestor's memories of mantas look like when their lantern is activated ?
The Remembrance mural does feature ancestors storing a wide range of memories after all... There's also the theory the higher/deeper levels of the Vault are not entirely physical, perhaps partially filled in by these holograms

[scenic siren]

Creatures with cells, blood and stuff like that called living thing. Thing made of metal and run with electricity called machine, robot...

With the ancestors, their technology, replace "electricity" with "light magic" and "metal" with "stone".

Sky kids and elders whose born from and functions with light in stone shell, might be equivalent of fantasy alien robots

Sky x Transformers

[untold notch]

I've thought that darkstone is a fantasy equivalent to just like power in general, especially nuclear with how all the waste is

[untold notch]

it's really fun when chemistry is my special interest to try and apply it to a game with magic that kind of changes things

[old moth]

What we see of the ancestors now is not flesh, but when they were alive they probably had regular bodies.

[random token]

Wax light or some form of rock

[untold notch]

I mean we as skykids encounter the ancestors as spirits they are dead as hell

[scenic siren]

Ancestors can digest crabs, as seen they made grilled crabs The only way to know what they are made of is to ask shrimps if they chewed an ancestor before

[untold notch]

I think with the information we have it's really up to personal preference, like I believe alasdair has fleshy ancestors while vela has lanternfolk

[old moth]

I have another ancestor question - why do they wear masks?

[uncut pond]

No one knows for sure, but it's very likely just a cultural thing

[old moth]

Is that a cultural thing? Or is it necessary for some reason? And what kind of faces do they have?

[sharp lichen]

There are some ancestors that don’t wear masks, so it’s probably not required or anything

[old moth]

Oh, and when do they take them off? If they do at all?

[scenic siren]

Faces so handsome that can damage mortal eyes if they don't wear masks

[lusty merlin]

you can see with pink and red cape and the whisperer spirits, same for aurora spirits i personally think its a cultural style, like wearing a hat you can choose to have a hat or no hat

[old moth]

Oh, really? I didn't remember that. Or didn't notice

You're right, Proud Victor's mask is a no-mask

I was wondering if they're like the demons in Promised Neverland. Though I don't know why they wear masks either

[lusty merlin]

I’m not to familiar with the promised neverland, do they use masks to hide their true self?

Wait yeah I just realized your not quite sure either

I feel like in both world it’s just a cosmetic thing unless shown otherwise in the future

[random token]

Probably this, honestly. I thought of it quite a bit

[compact mist]

Hi guys, i just wonder if it’s real that the transparent cape will be able to get in the future? (the transparent cape is the cape we buy with 999 hearts at the end of Eden). Thank you in advance

[keen shore]

That’s only a thing in beta iirc

[rigid mural]

I think this question belongs more in #questions-and-help but yeah, what Salem said, it's exclusive to beta with no concrete plan to bring it to live

[random token]

We do have tiny capes in the meantime :)

[winter shale]

Hey i want to ask, has anyone made a Google doc explaining each scene of spirit memories?
Cause I'm halfway done with one right now and I don't want to be copying someone's idea

[untold notch]

idk if it's copying an idea if it's explaining something that's happened
unless you mean copying the idea of making a Google doc which I don't know of one

[winter shale]

I don't know, I wouldn't want to post it here but someone else had already made one long ago yknow?

[rigid mural]

Lore chat has come under fire many times for dumping huge docs on lore moths, so attempts to make one are generally not worth it anyway since they end up discouraging them.
But you could ask Baudshaw for his if you see him around !

[winter shale]

Ohhh I see, I'll keep it to myself then!

[rigid mural]

I mean, nobody's gonna stop you
I'm just explaining why the hype to make one has slowed down a bit. That and with the lore being up to interpretation and constant flux of new seasons... It would be a hassle to update.

[rigid mural]

Oh my bad, I might be a bit tired, I misread.
I still think you might not find one, but you're welcome to ask everyone's opinion on what happens in a particular memory !

[winter shale]

Yeah I also wanted to ask that since I was unsure about some, I don't have access to it right now but it's good to know I can come here for more insight

[rigid mural]

Yeah, this chat is more akin to a living room at a party where you will get everyone's opinion but not canon stuff unless a dev confirms

[frigid tinsel]

you're free to make a doc about any topic you want, though you may want to present as something people can read or show it if they're interested rather than putting any emphasis on it as a requirement

[winter shale]

Oh yeah I'm not forcing anyone to read it, I just wanted to make an archive of what happens in each memory scene 😄 just so it's always available lol

[rigid mural]

Oh, you could try looking them up on youtube too, I know some folks make video archives for sky since we do have memories that changed as updates went by !

[winter shale]

Really? Some memories have changed? 👁

[rigid mural]

Yeah ! Pointing Candlemaker for example; they used to be the Pointing Pilgrim until their memory was updated for the Season of Prophecy. Same for Ushering Stargazer who once was Ushering Migrant.

[winter shale]

I see! I was using YouTube to view the memories since I didn't have my switch on-hand
And I'm trying not to assume anything while I make these, for example for Pointing Candlemaker I put something along the lines of "There are two other spirits seem with them, not Canon but widely theorized as their partner and child"

[inland cliff]

so they just change their name or what else?

[rigid mural]

They changed the memories too ! Pointing Candlemaker was just walking around the cave looking at the murals, the other ancestors weren't here. And Ushering Stargazer was just looking at murals that are now not a central point of the memory but still appear when it is relived.

Here's @keen shore's mural masterlist btw, they should be in here !
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FQgj2Ii1A9p1kSly9rehvZU-fPsKtGazuEGvE3Od-Bg

[winter shale]

Ooh!! Thank you so much :D

[rigid mural]

here's the ushering stargazer one

[winter shale]

Hmmm, I wonder what those orbs are? 👁

[frigid tinsel]

thought to be light

[rigid mural]

I like to think they're light offerings; the cave in which you find Piggyback Lightseeker (the current TS) curiously features a boat with light orbs

[spring python]

Ponder the orbs

[rigid mural]

t astey

[trim ember]

Heyo, I've never really interacted with this section of the server before but am really interested in the lore behind sky.

Has there been any talk about the supposed war that happened and possibly could be the cause of the world's current state?

[winter shale]

👁👁 I guess the light offerings mightve been turned into candles maybe?

[rigid mural]

Yeah, a lot. Might need to be more specific tho but so far a theory I share with a few friends is that the Remembrance spirits were victims of a siege !

[frigid tinsel]

it's been discussed a lot but as a quick summary, likely over darkstone technology

power diamond manufacturing is not without its consequences – mining for darkstone endangered miners, the production process created darkness pollution that would've harmed the ancestors and deteriorated their environment, light creature exploitation would've garnered ancestor sympathies, and, as Salem previously suggested, darkstone technology was distributed unequally among the populace

[rigid mural]

Wait, you're not the one behind the siege theory ?

[frigid tinsel]

I suggested that some of the Remembrance spirits might've been originally under siege, hence why they fled, yea

[rigid mural]

YEAH THAT

[frigid tinsel]

Teabrewer and Pleading Child notably have soldiers in their spirit memories who they had reason to avoid while Wounded Warrior might've been attacked by soldiers on opposing side, but hard to say whether they and their partner were the ones holding the siege or fighting it

[random token]

Basically a civil war

[trim ember]

Wow 🥹 I missed out a lot, that theory sounds amazing. After seeing the blatant hints in the concert from AURORA and the effects of this season I was wondering why they be having a war in the first place.

I thought maybe it have to do with the sudden arrise of Eden being explosive shown from the flight season

[rigid mural]

iirc salem pointed out they were on the sun shield side

[random token]

Golden Wasteland was previously valley, now a wasteland because of the war

[trim ember]

Yeeh, and... Isle..? Maybe..? Or could be just from centuries.

[random token]

Mm I believe isle was just drained of life. We don't really see it as a major area where war took place, but a lower class or entry place to the kingdom

[frigid tinsel]

Isle is commonly thought to have experienced desertification

[trim ember]

Yeh, figured. Dont know how war = sand xd.

[winter shale]

I've noticed it's a common theory that the war reached all the way to valley of triumph

[trim ember]

It does appear that way, especially from the ruins, and.. the Aurora season.

[frigid tinsel]

common? I've seen the opposite – that Valley of Triumph seldom or never personally saw warfare on the scale of Wasteland even if soldiers were conscripted there.

[trim ember]

Perhaps a lot of raiding took place, and the people from valley often had to defend themselves using their canons-. Then the war itself started and ended in Wasteland

[frigid tinsel]

Catlem had the idea that the war started as a worker strike in Wasteland that got out of hand

[trim ember]

Ooooou, ye that makes sense

[winter shale]

I like that worker strike theory

[inland cliff]

a more fractured factory work place, which evolved manta labor/light resources, dark creature experiments and fishing habitat (Abyss)

[sharp lichen]

Hehehe

Although I do think short, concise documents are useful in #lore-discussion-spoilers, this proposed spirit document would be the exact opposite. There’s more than 80 spirits, so if even include images, the document could be over a thousand pages.

A thing we CAN do is make a YouTube playlist that shows every spirit memory, I think that would be a lot more useful

[sharp lichen]

Hey what did you say about my 8 page document that’s mostly images

[sharp lichen]

Eden also, we find shields from Wasteland in Eden

[random token]

What were they doing there though? And what symbol? Well i understand that pre corrupted eden, there mightve been guards there

[sharp lichen]

The sides of the war don’t make that much sense to me. If the sun side was so powerful it got to Eden and sided with the Wasteland Elder, how were they suffering from immense casualties anyways? Did other elders side against them?

[random token]

Sun side could've been defending GW

[sharp lichen]

I found this right after the first area with wind and rocks

[random token]

That's more closely related to the sun shield. I've begun to think that the sun symbol was more closely related to the Kings side

[rigid iron]

A video format is definitely better. A lot of spirit memories are hard to interpret based on a picture alone, which only shows one angle

[random token]

It'd be nice if someone did a full video on up to Date lore

[frigid tinsel]

saying it was a worker strike doesn't imply any of what you said. to be frank, we don't have any clear confirmation what symbols go with which side, which side had which Elder's support, or where each side originated. we just know there was fight with possibly two opposing sides originating from within the kingdom, however from the factors we do have, we can speculate and make assumptions

[sharp lichen]

We also find a sun shield in the Wasteland Elder shrine, so we know at least that

[random token]

I crave mo r e

[sharp lichen]

More shields?? That’s the only one I could find
Valley probably also participated, though it’s unclear what side they were on

[trim ember]

Ive been tryna look on YouTube for anything on the lore that's discussed here ;; bu.. not much

I was thinking if I really had time I could dedicate myself to combining everything into a video essay but idk, I'm a random dude xd Kinda just getting into this, which would be.. a lot

[sharp lichen]

There’s some people that have taken jabs at specific parts, like specific seasons and areas, but not everything at once.

Should I dm you some videos?

[trim ember]

:00000 oml yes please

[keen shore]

Draws hearts around yuo

[young lance]

Was there ever a concept for a spirit with moth hair?

[keen shore]

light whisperer is fairly close! Although the default moth hair seems to be very strictly ours

[young lance]

Aw alright, I thought it’d be interesting if there was an ancestor with that hair

[keen shore]

There might have been concepts for an ancestor with it, but we don’t know of them, sadly. If it helps, since light whisperers is an overgrown form of it, they probably had it at some point

[young lance]

Hmmmmmmm hmmmmm maybe if I dig deep enough I can find it

[shrewd zenith]

Bringing back the "sympathetic King" theory where the Eden Diamond was a last resort that went wrong. If the sun side defended even Eden and GW Elder was loyal to the King, then it could, again, possibly be that the Ling was looking to alleviate the possible problems in Wasteland and other regions cause by darkness pollution by harnessing the light beam...

[keen shore]

From a conceptual standpoint, yeah it would be vaguely nice, but in its current state that wouldn’t be feasible at all.

First we would have to work out how to organize it — do we just focus on the ‘main story’ & leave everything else missing? Or do we include literally every aspect of the lore and risk making the video incoherent and rambling?

Next, we would also have to 100% agree that every element we added is either canon or very likely to be canon; although we can add variations for some theories, again, doing it for all of them makes the video drag on forever and leaves it messy, scrambled, and hard to watch casually if you’re not taking notes on it or something. We’d also have to make the very hard decision of what theories to not include.

We’d also have to edit and voice over this already massive video. Not many of us have those skills, and even if we did, why would put all the effort into making a YouTube video like this when we can just talk to people directly and explain things much better?

[sharp lichen]

Videos are fun to make

[keen shore]

If you want to make a video like this, good luck is all I will say. Oh one more thing I forgot to mention — the way content is released in this game and the way many of us spontaneously think about theories means that the video might become entirely outdated only several months after making it

[sharp lichen]

It would be funny though

Me and @flint bolt could team up

[keen shore]

What if people ended up taking it seriously? (Cause it sounds like you’re doing it as a joke from what I can gather)

[keen shore]

Thank you so much for mentioning my observation while I was gone btw!

[sharp lichen]

It’s not impossible, especially if it’s framed as a theory and not canon

[keen shore]

Good luck with that dude

[sharp lichen]

Covering just the base game could be easy, it’s the seasonal content that’s harder

I’ve already made a video on Shattering and I’m thinking about streaming more on Sky lore

[keen shore]

I’m not sure what would be easy about finding a unifying theory about literally everything implied in the base story, but I hope you have fun with it

[sharp lichen]

Not really, I think just discussion separate theories relating to the base game would be cool

[keen shore]

Which ones would you include? For highly debatable stuff like the WL or how the war worked, how many theories would you choose to include? Which ones would you see as not good enough to make the cut? How much time would you spend on each of them? How many branching theoretical timelines would you have to keep track of? Etc

Unfortunately, all of that is stuff you’d have to think of to make a fully comprehensive video. That isn’t delving into all the organization and evidence gathering you’d have to do, or even keeping track of things like — what order do you present the theories in? Your viewers might subconsciously think the ones you present first are automatically better, as they’ll remember those the most & they intuitive way is to organize them in that order. You’d also have to be careful talking about certain subjects, for example, talking about the Eden Diamond without bringing up shattering at all

[sharp lichen]

I would choose the theory I believed in. I know it’s a bit selfish, but showing my interpretation (so long as it’s shown with a noncanon disclaimer) could be a good way to make a short Sky video

Maybe multiple smaller videos about one theory each, instead of one big video

[keen shore]

As long as you gave credit if it’s one you didn’t make yourself.

I’m not trying to scare you away from this and I don’t want you to think I am, I’m just listing off the things that made me think doing something like this wasn’t a great idea when I first considered it

[alpine widget]

I am new here, can sombody describe the game lore in a sentence or 2?

[frigid tinsel]

tearful laughter

[lusty merlin]

Yeah that ain’t possible there’s so much free free to explore and come to your own conclusions though

[random token]

war bad. be good to environment. Darkstone energy, light extraction

and then all the stuff behind it is really impossible

[random token]

Also yeah you're right. It'd be really difficult but not impossible, if someone Is up for the task of crediting, getting what the majority of the community accepts, edit, etc stuff you mentioned

[alpine widget]

Okay, thankyou, I will also look into this lore page.

Okay wait, there has been a burning question in my mind, the masks have a blue gem under them, but when you choose the faceless mask, you don't see any blue gem. Any speculation on the topic?

[sharp lichen]

Perhaps the blue gem is part of the mask?

[frigid tinsel]

skykids' cosmetics are likely light projections copied from the spirits. they don't actually have this blue gem on their faces (although one could speculate how skykids could receive this sort of injury in the future). this mask is in the likeness Wounded Warrior's, so it is not that skykids have this injury but Wounded Warrior does.

so how did Wounded Warrior's face end up like that? I say injury because it looks like an injury, although the specifics remains unclear. also complicated by the fact that WW likely recieved this injury when they were alive and we don't know what living ancestor bodies were composed of.

the injury is possibly darkness related because what I deem passive darkness is blue (plants, darkstone) while hostile darkness is red (corrupted darkstone/shards, krill searchlight when it spots something). darkness as a whole captures and holds onto light. so even if darkness wasn't involved in the initial injury, if darkness had infected the wound, it formed a crystal scar over WW's leaking light. we at least know living ancestors had light because of how their eyes look like ours in the animated trailers, right over where WW's injury is.

[random token]

So kinda like an infection?

[half shadow]

i like that idea Alasdair, i’m juggling either that or that there were some masks made out of darkstone for whatever reason

[frigid tinsel]

yea, darknesss is the pathogen, the blue crystallization is a manifestation of that infection. like some irl scar tissue, I wonder if it would've been more effort to remove it rather than leave it be

[lusty merlin]

Yaya! Like with marching adventurer (eyepatch) who also has a bandage I think it’s only like that for skykids to mimic, but they don’t actually have said Injury

Kinda like with the ox mask ears an antlers, we don’t actually have animal ears but just replicate them in a way, like how we can go bald and switch to another hairstyle just fine

“Trick of the light” taken in a literal way personally

[random token]

It could've been made out of darkstone for the soldiers? Like a more protective thing

[frigid tinsel]

even if their mask was made out of darkstone, it's rather thin and the wound looks deep enough to go all the way through. it also seems to protrude outward like it grew out rather than was scrapped away inward. it could be similar to the crystals that form on extinguished skykids

[lusty merlin]

Shoves this idea here

[alpine widget]

I like that idea.

[alpine widget]

Wow, you guys know a lot. 😅

[sharp lichen]

We know this because, fun fact, most cosmetics in Sky don’t cast a shadow. Most notably this includes your cape.

[keen shore]

Psst, not everyone in this channel enjoys being pinged! Make sure to check someone’s username first ^^

[frigid tinsel]

and you can learn a lot too by paying attention to the game or chilling here and picking up on our discussions, but you're free to come to your own conclusions.
(btw remember to turn off ping when you reply)

[keen shore]

Hey, can I dm you really quick? :3

[half shadow]

oh sure!

[sharp lichen]

Alasdair I’m begging to know, why do you not like being pinged replied?

[frigid tinsel]

tl;dr – ADHD
basically this server isn't the only server I'm in – I also mod a few, like my Minecraft server, and I don't mind pings whenever someone wants to bring my attention to something like an interesting topic. but ping replies in a channel I'm currently active in, especially when the message in question is something simple like "lol" or "thanks" annoy me. if I'm doing something else like work and I notice a notification or a ping, I expect a DM or something important, not someone saying "yea sure." also it is really easy to turn off the ping if you do want to reply directly to a message. Skycord is the worse offender

[untold notch]

I know I had a thought on this once but I couldn't remember if it was the forming of a solid light substance upon contact with air (oxidation, more or less) or something else

[sharp lichen]

Ok, I was just curious

[keen shore]

Often, if you’re not sure about something, you can just ask

[frigid tinsel]

if you ping someone, you are basically shouting at them to be noticed. as someone with ADHD, I struggle with notifications. I can ignore the red dot on the Discord tab, but if I see a ping, I read it as something urgent and drop everything to go for it.

[sharp lichen]

Counterpoint: Valley sending cyan light to bombard Wasteland

[untold notch]

and I'd like to note that I'm the exact opposite but for the same reason-a ping is a good way to guarantee I see the thing you want me to if I forget or have to do something

[keen shore]

Doesn’t that still mean the damage is taking place in Wasteland?

[frigid tinsel]

yea even if I don't come to the ping right away, I will eventually. it better not be a smiley emoticon

[keen shore]

😁 😐

[frigid tinsel]

Triumpd

[sharp lichen]

It would still mean there would be warfare between Valley and Wasteland, and given the easy connections there, it’s easy to imagine there was fighting in the edges of Valley

[random token]

I think that's where the main battles took place

[frigid tinsel]

the phrase "personally saw warfare" means there would be battles in the realm itself. if all the fighting took place in Wasteland, then Valley did not personally see warfare

[keen shore]

Wasteland was the only realm that personally saw war ≠ no other realm was involved it at all

What it means is that all the fighting took place in Wasteland. For lack of a better word, an invasion might be a good way to think about it

[untold notch]

scruffs you

[keen shore]

I have friend privileges i can do this. and i will because it is incredibly funny

[untold notch]

it is a little funny

[frigid tinsel]

the funny
yea that was obvious that was a joke

[keen shore]

Draws hearts around you

[sharp lichen]

The fighting we see.

There are hints of a conquering of Eden as well as the Wind Paths

[frigid tinsel]

for here, I don't mind pings if you wanna involve me in a discussion you know I'd like, but if we're the only few going back and forth in a channel or I'm already involved in the conversation, there's no need to ping me.

[frigid tinsel]

Eden sure, but the Wind Paths?

[untold notch]

conquering Eden? how so?

[sharp lichen]

There are shields of the Wasteland Elder in Eden

[keen shore]

I’m still unsure how I think the sun shields in Eden work because on one hand, there isn’t much evidence beyond that of war. It looks to me more like people were stationed to guard Eden ‘just in case’ but never fought directly.

….or, considering the massive swords, it’s where the elders left their stuff before getting downloaded, is another idea I had

[untold notch]

interesting... it's possible that that was part of the territory of the one sky kingdom as well

[frigid tinsel]

I had considered that there could've been a siege upon Eden, hence the weapons there

[sharp lichen]

I still think the chimes at least show it happened near the Wind Paths, possibly in the connection between the Forgotten Ark and Wind Paths

[keen shore]

Eden is so wrecked that almost any evidence of fighting similar to what we see in Wasteland would be long gone by now, which makes it a struggle to tell for sure

[untold notch]

who would've sieged Eden, and why?

[frigid tinsel]

chimes where?

[keen shore]

Multiple places can have chimes! We see bells in forest boneyard for instance, prairie, and iirc throughout valley. They don’t have to be exclusive to the wind paths. I think just relying on Veteran having them to say a war happened near the wind paths is a bit of a stretch to be honest, considering they could be a common household item like how they are irl

[untold notch]

they're also just very common in the world of sky, bells and chimes are

[keen shore]

You see some bells tied on forgetful storytellers bag as decoration for instance!

[frigid tinsel]

had an idea that the construction and activation of the big Eden diamond would've made Eden a target to anyone who opposed darkstone technology if it was made during the war or at least before vices were settled. given we don't know the timeline of things, it's debatable

[sharp lichen]

Look at it from a developer perspective as well: why would they put a massive shield, the same shield found in Wasteland, available for everyone to see in Eden?

[untold notch]

trying to remember - can you get to Eden from the starlight desert? or do you have to go through vault/home

[sharp lichen]

True, true

[frigid tinsel]

we can't get to Eden from Starlight but it's geographically possible

[untold notch]

my worry is that since wasteland is in between valley and Eden it wouldn't make sense in my mind for wasteland to siege Eden

[frigid tinsel]

that depends if Wasteland was anti-darkstone

[sharp lichen]

Isn’t it the other way around? Valley is between Wasteland and Eden

[keen shore]

To be honest, I can see both things I mentioned as reasons they might do that. If they wanted to go for sure oh there was a war here, they’d likely left more evidence like spears scattered around to fully communicate that. Considering this detail does not make one explanation more likely than the others, it just makes them all equally foggy

[sharp lichen]

I have a headcanon that Eden was founded by the sun pro-light people who wanted it to be a haven for creatures to ascend easily, while the pro-darkstone people wanted to use the beam of light for themselves and found a prosperous city there

[untold notch]

ah. I knew my lack of directional prowess would come back to bite me

[frigid tinsel]

that map makes a lot of us hhhhhhh

[sharp lichen]

It’s also possible that the developers didn’t want to add spears because it would’ve cluttered the already messy environment of Eden

But you’re right, although we don’t know if there was a war there, there was something there.

[untold notch]

so are they adding things with respect to the environment or not? because you've given us both answers in this conversation

[sharp lichen]

It’s because if Salem’s guard theory was true, wouldn’t the shields be in other places as well?

[keen shore]

Sorry but I have a very silly brain tonight and the last sentence is making me laugh harder than it should even though I know what you meant. There sure was something in Eden

[sharp lichen]

Honestly skill issue, it’s a canonical information piece given to us by TGC and we have to roll with it

[untold notch]

considering the socioeconomic implications, it is pretty likely (to me at least) that this is the case

[sharp lichen]

It depends on the outcome of the war. Sun side Victory, Power Diamond side Victory, or stalemate?

[untold notch]

Eden is a place with things in it and stuff

[keen shore]

Sometimes kids make inaccurate or stylized maps sadly… diagonal vault is a big tell here

[keen shore]

If Wasteland was sun side which was almost definitely the case, I would say strongly power diamond victory

[frigid tinsel]

I have a hard time wrapping my head around the conclusion of a war we aren't even sure of all the details of

[untold notch]

wasteland wasn't always a wasteland. what's your guess?

[sharp lichen]

Diagonal vault makes sense if you imagine it as being directly embedded into the mountain

And why would kids make it? All structures and shrines seem to be made by the Ancestors, and the drawings are similar to the murals

[lusty merlin]

i just assume based of how we keep going down, that the terrian would also reflect that, like we only go up and isle and after that reach relam is a decent up until vault and eden

valley being higher than wasteland and all idk if im making sence

[untold notch]

the map shrine isn't a physical mural

[sharp lichen]

Wasn’t the sun side anti-darkstone? It would make sense for the side whose symbol is a power diamond to like power diamonds

[keen shore]

Baud we have a realm called valley of triumph, I don’t think wasteland won

[sharp lichen]

Which side would valley even be on this war? You know how people name things cool for tourism reasons

[keen shore]

By process of elimination, darkstone, which is why I chose it as the winning side above. Also, this is a game, the developers named it triumoh for a reason

[untold notch]

darkstone. they're a much more prosperous area and rich people loooove holding on to their treasures

[frigid tinsel]

but the Vault has a singular elevator that goes straight up, I think it is straight

[lusty merlin]

yaknow i used the laugh emote but after thinking more i realized the implications and my face dropped

literally triumphed over wasteland if they were the ones involved in the war

[keen shore]

Yeah :( fun fact each elder has a theorized basegame spirit connection based on masks, sunsets is proud victor

[random token]

Well, I don't think they were. I've changed my mind about it actually. The diamond symbol could just be a placeholder and the sun symbol could be more of a defender for darkstone use

[lusty merlin]

that too plus if the areas were stacked ontop of one another it might contrast to eden to much

like take focus away

[sharp lichen]

So Tsadi lost

[untold notch]

get used to that bud

[sterile orchid]

i thought it was called valley of triumph because there's a lot of sports. and winning a lot of sports is a triumph

[frigid tinsel]

true, I also think there, but given how the Valley of Triumph is lot more in-tact than Wasteland...

[untold notch]

could be both could be both

in my nonexistent ficverse I designate the two areas of the city as the Gilded Peaks and the Golden Valley

[keen shore]

I do also want to tell you guys, gently, to take a serious look at both valley and wasteland and also both their elders and, guessing they were two sides of a war, which seems to be the case, take a guess who won

[random token]

As you've shown sun shields were also in eden, meaning that the diamond soldiers could be the rebellion

[sharp lichen]

I don’t think so, the sun symbol appears in many other places, like the Skykid shrines

[frigid tinsel]

regardless of whether the map shrines are ancestor or skykid made, the map seems stylized. for instance, the diagonal Vault and the whole shape of the world is a diamond, a common symbol motif. I doubt the whole world is in the shape of a diamond.

[random token]

Well they're mainly in eden as well, most likely lost but they were also holding their own. Eden was a very important place so they were protecting that from the rebellion, and lost

The sun symbol also looks more like King

[sharp lichen]

Why not? It would make sense for a storyteller perspective

[keen shore]

Have you gone up Vault? Do you think it goes up diagonally?

[untold notch]

like the great Diogenes once said, that's a game mechanic

[sharp lichen]

True, but I do think the King would be anti-darkstone

[frigid tinsel]

there is also reason to think the king, if there was one, would be pro-darkstone

[lusty merlin]

not really sure the point im trying to make but thinking in the map 3d wise, some realms are more elevated than others which can help put into perspective on win paths and other things

[random token]

The rebellion, out of chaos and whatnot, could've still put the blame on the king. Since it was an uprising. A lot of confusion could've gotten into the conflict

Also valley fought wasteland? I don't think it was specifically between realms, but just the people themselves. Or a certain side occupying a realm

[sharp lichen]

In the Aurora concert, we see cyan artillery shells bombarding wasteland. Given how The Valley Elders are shown to possess cyan light…

[untold notch]

also the cyclone which there's a lot of above wasteland

[sharp lichen]

The sun symbol appears in a lot of places in Sky, including

[random token]

How do you know those were artillery shells and not just shards of darkness? There's also a theory in which megabird was upset with the war and sent that down on them. They also could've been something else.

But if the realm elders sided with the side that was occupying their realm, would that mean the elders disliked each other?

[frigid tinsel]

true, I had the thought that if the sides were not realm allegiance but rather ideological. even then, it's possible more soldiers from one side could've come from certain realms. Wasteland, given it faced the most consequences of power diamond manufacturing, would generate more anti-darkstone tech fighters while Valley generated more pro-darkstone tech defenders given their reliance on darkstone technology to survive and thrive

[sterile orchid]

all of the spirits & the items they use are blue so i don't think it's actually cyan light, it was just made to match with the spirits so it's blue + glows a bit so it doesn't look like a solid object that appeared for no reason during the memory

[random token]

Yeah but I'd assume most recently, their last stand was at GW. The shields could've been before the rebellion

[sharp lichen]

I don’t want to throw out this large and detailed map that doesn’t seem to impact much gameplay-wise as a game mechanic, especially because by then we could take almost anything as a face value and classify them as a game mechanic

[lusty merlin]

yaya! the cyclone i can get to probably seal wasteland and/or prevent an envision or keep krill at bay, but the motive behind attcking wasteland with cyan light in the concert is still unclear to me if it is them

unless that was pre cyclone seal

[sharp lichen]

Guess what cyan light does- remove clouds.

[frigid tinsel]

items in spirit memories are blue and glowy, true, however the cyan light is not only distinctly like the other cyan light in-game but appears from above. that cyan light isn't ancestor made, hence thinking it's possibly Elder directed

[untold notch]

it is a different shade of blue also I believe

[random token]

So that'd mean the elders had some sort of conflict with each other too

[frigid tinsel]

"unseen fractures"

[random token]

[keen shore]

I think they would choose whatever option they thought would help the most people, take that as you will

[random token]

So far we've seen valley and wasteland have the most conflict. They had to band together to try and sort out the problem in the end. Were GW and vault on the same side, since gw seems to be defending vault

[sharp lichen]

Probably, given how Vault accepted refugees

It’s notable that Valley and Wasteland seemed to be one realm in the past, so there may have been a splitting that ruined their relationship?

[random token]

This is getting spicy

[keen shore]

Don’t say divorce Don’t say divorce Don’t say divorce Don’t say divorce Don’t say divorce

[random token]

Oh that'd make sense. Since how golden wasteland used to be called valley!

[untold notch]

tbh in the words of skybot it's not that deep

[random token]

gw grabs the twins and throws them like slingshot

[keen shore]

Sahtapult

[untold notch]

which is to say the fact that a war happened has been one thing the devs have been very clear on recently

[tepid veldt]

i think we missed tsadi tuesday again so happy belated tsadi tuesday 🤍

[random token]

so, a bit confusing but I think I understand for the most part. I had beliefs that were changed.

Valley elders most likely were anti darkstone, I believe. Because while the sun shields were found in different realms, it was pretty clear that they were pushed back into vault, one realm away from where eden was. And the sun shields are mainly found in eden, which I think to be guard to the Eden elder, or King/One/other names

Sun shields found in other realms COULD be there before the rebellion started

[frigid tinsel]

I also have reason to think Sunset was anti-darkstone tech or at least how Dusk handled things because of how damning darkness pollution was to ancestors and Sunset seems to care for their people’s wellbeing

[random token]

The symbol is more closely related to king as well

[sterile orchid]

is it dark stone or just something similar in appearance that makes the memory lanterns float because it doesn't quite make sense to be against dark stone use, but then also use it for the thing your realm is most known for having

[random token]

Right!

[lusty merlin]

kinda like "we dont agree with the technology but know it's greatly beneficial for our people" type of way?

[untold notch]

if these are valley tomcepts (they are btw if my wording was unclear) wouldn't it make sense for them to be pro darkstone since it is straight up keeping their cities operational

[frigid tinsel]

They can be pro-darkstone tech but disagree with how the industry is handled, at least how pollution was handled

[random token]

That is a good point but I think they were also overusing it and could've had plans to change, or change the way they used light extraction on manta creatures.

Also what alasdair said, good point

[untold notch]

hm today I will relate the golden valley conflict to the American industrial revolution again -me every day

[sharp lichen]

The divorce of wasteland and valley was probably one of the most significant events in Sky history.

[frigid tinsel]

Sorta like how one irl can agree that technology has been super useful for humanity but still acknowledge the environmental consequences it’s creation had had. There are other ways to fuel our society besides fossil fuels

[lusty merlin]

oh yaya i see that

[sterile orchid]

it seems the whole main story of Sky's realms is similar to climate change and creatures being threatened to extinction which is incredibly sad

[keen shore]

I get this, but considering how filled Valley is with a bunch of darkstone that frankly serves very little functional purpose but to be as flashy and modern as possible, I think that either they didn’t make that change in time or their disagreements did not outweigh their ‘need’ to depend on wasteland for it.

[random token]

Sky does really well with relating to IRL problems

[sharp lichen]

Every realm has power diamonds, strangely enough

[frigid tinsel]

But Valley has the most by a great margin

[untold notch]

I almost forgot to follow up on this lmao? basically when workers first started rebelling against 12 hour workdays and zero safety the public was against them because they wanted their goods to be made

[lusty merlin]

thinks of the sea level in sky

[sharp lichen]

I mean, all Elders do in theory, but which one faltered slightly?

[random token]

The people wanted a change, saw how uneeded it was, took away those who wouldn't join them in the rebellion, (Made me thought of pleadings parent, but I'm not completely sure)

[untold notch]

to the point that the factory workers would call in armed forces like the military to beat back strikes and this happened for a good bit

[sharp lichen]

Modern instances of darkstone in Valley include the Village of Dreams boats, the Village Theater, but that’s about it. I think Cyan Light made the floating platforms

[random token]

I am really torn between valley being pro or anti tbh, but I'm more with anti darkstone, despite them having most of it

[keen shore]

I also get this, but remember, Valley isn’t the realm facing extreme negative consequences from darkstone production — there isn’t a single refinery there — and with that in mind, the reverse of this accidentally implies Dusk didn’t care at all about their ancestors or realm

[untold notch]

and I think that's interesting! because it could be a very similar parallel drawn between these two events

[round parrot]

But what about Isle? I remember that someone observed the door before meeting Daleth has no diamonds (unless I am missing something)

[frigid tinsel]

There’s many many conveniences of our modern world we wouldn’t have, such as low prices and food diversity on the shelves, that wouldn’t exist without exploited human labor and lax environmental protections.

[random token]

But then that'd have to explain, did one side rise up because they wanted more of the darkstone?

Sun side had to be defending something, yes memory cubes but also eden

[sterile orchid]

butterfly cave has a 2-player door that requires lighting the diamonds (like in Prairie)

[frigid tinsel]

Then perhaps the war wasn’t realm vs realm but ideology vs ideology

[untold notch]

true, but I'm only using the period of the industrial revolution for this point I'm making

[round parrot]

yep, that too

[random token]

My brain is hurt, too many big brain moments

gaaah hmm.. does anyone have pictures of the shield symbols? Maybe the sun one looks different than the circle spiked one, and I'm messing them up

[keen shore]

Try looking a bit more!

• Darkstone making the citadel float
• Darkstone making the golden orreries in Citadel float
• floating obstacles to fly through in flying race (have visible diamonds on them)
• technology used to make special effects, especially fireworks and lighting, in colosseum
• entirety of village theater, like drenched in it, as you said

Possibly:

• hidden mechanisms used to make massive doors, such as that of the temple and races, open

[untold notch]

ily orreries

[sharp lichen]

Aren’t the things that are floating made of cyan light?

[keen shore]

What things that are floating? The ones in the flying race? They have collision, and there are visible diamonds in the bottom

[frigid tinsel]

Citade orrey kept aloft by darkstone disc

[lusty merlin]

round

[keen shore]

If valley was trying to get rid of its darkstone use, I don’t think it was doing a great job to be honest, is all I’m saying

[lusty merlin]

twins would be like me then: "i'll do it later" -doesn't do it-

[frigid tinsel]

Could say the same for the one at the coliseum (this is pre-Aurora). The darkstone disc could be under the stage

[random token]

They tried tbh

[frigid tinsel]

Or they never got the opportunity to (see: Eden calamity)

[keen shore]

There are also a number of symbolism connections you can make with the twins and being supportive of or even representing darkstone, as well as inversely, Dusk being anti darkstone

[lusty merlin]

i put them in my back pocket

[sharp lichen]

I meant powered by, we see it here

[random token]

I love that memory because they tried putting their differences aside to stop a bigger threat

[keen shore]

I mean, that’s still darkstone if it’s powered by light. Proves my point

[lusty merlin]

thinks of comment of them having to compromise

[random token]

Alright I'm gonna go collect my dailies and see you guys tmr. I'm tired good chats

[frigid tinsel]

I’m just thinking of how irl we have been making a very slow transition from fossil fuels to cleaner energy sources while the deadline for evading the worst of the climate disaster is ticking closer and closer

[sterile orchid]

why does that have a caption and how did you get them to actually be visible in that memory, trying to figure out which elder is which is like trying to find a tablet pen in the dark without a flashlight

[thin dirge]

You also see a hint of it back in Aurora concert

Where there were many ancestors climbing the cliff in Isle, presumably wanting to go to the temple. And then with the child at the centre and light in hand, you later see the ancestors on the flying boats

[frigid tinsel]

I added the caption and there’s quite a few layers to the joke here. Also you can see where I am in the shot — under the Elders, in between them, oriented toward the diamond/sky so there’s light

[thin dirge]

Wait, I didn't turn off ping

Oh

[frigid tinsel]

No you did no you didnt, I thought you were someone else. I should do something about my headache

[keen shore]

I like Sunset a lot too, but they had possibly centuries before the disaster to remove darkstone from their realm, as well as not building it with it in the first place. The war alone shows to some extent that Valley was likely going to be stubborn about giving it up forever. This isn’t calling them evil; their realm heavily relied on darkstone, but I honestly think saying they just never got to remove darkstone from their realm is missing the point a bit, especially in terms of this game’s parallels to the irl world

[sharp lichen]

Wdym? You clearly see the cyan light making the objects float by themselves

Perhaps it was an earlier alternative to darkstone

[untold notch]

in the objects themselves or just in that mural

[keen shore]

Darkstone is powered by light
Cyan light is light
If something is powered by light making it float, the thing the light inhabits is probably darkstone, especially in a heavily darkstone populated realm and with objects that very obviously have darkstone in them

[sharp lichen]

Other things float in Sky, most notably the Sanctuary Islands and Wind Paths, would you say there were very pro darkstone?

[untold notch]

those are not manmade structures

[keen shore]

Yeah, those are natural islands, not manmade structures

[thin dirge]

Tbh it's pretty wonky how boats work in the timeline.

Once, you see the boats flying on their own without the need to mantas in Aurora concert and the Prophecy caves shows them powered by cyan light

Then in Flight, you see the boats mainly carried by Mantas with not much powered boats by Cyan lights

[lusty merlin]

i mean the floating island's is green light's doing if im right, could be wrong tho

[sharp lichen]

they probably couldn’t float on their own, it would make sense that cyan light is used to make things float

Valley still used darkstone like the other realms, but they wouldn’t collapse without it

[frigid tinsel]

Try living on a mountain without technology and see how that goes for you

[untold notch]

also you would think the cyan light would be actually visible if that was the power source

[keen shore]

I think personally, if a giant populated section of the city that was floating above either the mountainside or more of the city suddenly stopped floating, bad things would happen

[sharp lichen]

The murals show the cyan light embedded inside the floating islands. It clearly represents the idea, at least, of it making things float

[untold notch]

ok but the structures themselves do not, is what I'm saying

[thin dirge]

You don't have to see the light itself to truly know the light is there doing its work. For example, do you see blue light in the rain in Hidden Forest? But we do know it's supposed to be working there

[lusty merlin]

yeah i wouldn't want the floating buildings i always fear that would fall actually falling on me one day

[untold notch]

I just don't understand the point of making it really obvious when colored light is being used only to proceed to not do that

[lusty merlin]

wait are you talking about this "island" here

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, and the other smaller islands, and the boat

[sterile orchid]

In wind paths, the boat carried by the manta is way larger than the other boats we've seen, so it could be that there's some kind of limit to keeping things lifted while also moving, and the only thing that could be stronger would be the large mantas

[untold notch]

would this be because of the same mural baud is talking about

[lusty merlin]

baud, thats a building from the flying race

[keen shore]

I think whether cyan light is in the floating obstacles is largely irrelevant to the original conversation, to be honest. Whatever type of light it is very obviously powers a darkstone mechanism to make the things float, as the diamond is incredibly visible embedded in the bottom of these structures — I cannot state this enough! — and, since those fancy obstacles are unnecessary for the people to survive and only exist to be flashy, the floating obstacles represent another example of Valley’s continued overuse of darkstone for the purposes of convenience and luxury, which was the original purpose of this conversation.

[sharp lichen]

Here’s a clearer image of it

[sharp lichen]

I mean, the electric power diamond guitar showed that clearly enough

[frigid tinsel]

But the gravity of power diamond manufacturing’s consequences may not have been evident at first. Like irl, the Industrial Revolution saw a big boom in the technology invented and how it was integrated in society. If the negative consequences like human labor and pollution were evident, it was to a few who lived in the immediate area or companies who ran the manufacturing hiding it from the public, not to the many people who benefited from the technology.

I say this not to defend Sunset or portray them as good, but considering how irl humans have only been aware of many of the negative effects our way of living has had on the world in the last several decades and even then has done very little to reorient ourselves to be eco-friendly. And even then, what we are doing now to avert climate change is not enough and definitely not fast enough. Islands & coastlines are already disappearing under rising sea level and many species have already gone extinct directly due to human activity. If Sunset realized how harmful the proliferation of darkstone technology was, it was too late and they avoided or ignored a lot of warnings. How many other Elders handwaved those problems too?

[random token]

I also think now that the rebellion was caused by a lower class part of valley?

Since they were tired of the upper class being flashy

[keen shore]

So why are we having this conversation to begin with? I’m lost

[thin dirge]

Yeah, and it makes sense. Forest is full of rain and water, Valley of full of wind drafts, Prairie is full of greenery and Wasteland originally had many of the bigger light creatures dwelling there

[untold notch]

wait what does this have to do with the war and darkstone

[sharp lichen]

Sorry for the off-tangent, I just wanted to clarify that

Now, I think all elders willingly chose to use power diamonds. Even the entrance to Tsadi’s temple is blocked by a power diamond gate. However, some of them might’ve supported the light creature rebellion nominally

[random token]

Hold on I’m doing one more think here.

Lower class of Valley was golden wasteland.. I’m completely torn, honestly. I’ll do more think tomorrow. Sides and all

[untold notch]

I wanna go lay on the floor of whale memory

[frigid tinsel]

Unfortunately today’s shard goes to the jellyfish memory

[thin dirge]

I think Wasteland and Valley were originally one whole city, yeah. When talking in Days of Sky, devs called this "Golden Valley" (combines the two realm names)

[sterile orchid]

i was meant to be making notes for myself of character cosmetic options but then i got caught in this discussion so i am going to go back to doing that for a bit

[random token]

how many WL can you get from the shards in total? I can get 183 rn if I go through for Eden’s light, 4 from the trials. I’m very close to 200

[frigid tinsel]

Golden Valley my beloved

[untold notch]

#questions-and-help / #seasons-events-chat

[random token]

well I was already here and going to bed so I thought I’d like a quick response

[lusty merlin]

cringes at myself cuz this is from my outdated theory on this section originally belonging to triumph

[frigid tinsel]

Wait that’s you?

[untold notch]

well unfortunately that is not the point of this channel

[lusty merlin]

yeah that's me

[random token]

I’m not saying it was. I was just looking for a quick answer. We’ve went totally off topic in conversations before, and I wasn’t part of that

[keen shore]

Yes, I also agree with this! I apologize for any confusion in phrasing, it’s what I was trying to communicate initially. There would be no way Valley would’ve been built so fancily if Sunset knew the consequences of power diamond production. It was like…. a honeymoon/experimentation phase, to see what they could do with it.

However, the war also existed, and considering how viciously a side that is probably Valley fought to maintain darkstone usage, I would hesitate to say Sunset would have stopped power diamond use given more time. This isn’t to say they’re the only elder who ignored the problems with it or chose to look the other way: Vault is heavily reliant on darkstone, Forest is generally really into it, Prairie supplied light creatures for it for at least some time, and Dusk killed those light creatures in their realm for some time too. Valley was just both the most reliant on Wasteland producing those diamonds and the best equipped to raise an army when it stopped

[thin dirge]

I wonder if ppl still kept my outdated doc theory of the timeline of Sky

[untold notch]

and I'm saying here isn't the place to get it

[frigid tinsel]

I must’ve plucked it from you at some point. That’s just the pic I can pull up the fastest

[random token]

you do not have to be so rude about it though, just saying. I already got the answer anyway

[lusty merlin]

fair enough

[thin dirge]

Due to the slowmode being extremely high here than other chats, responses are more likely to be slower here though

Just keep this in mind

[random token]

These are more likely to be the people I rely on, we were on the topic of shard memories as well

I’m not saying this is a replacement for Questions channel, it was just something I wanted to ask

[sharp lichen]

In my opinion, all of them handwaved or ignored the problems of darkstone. I think Wasteland only joined the anti-darkstone side to protect their realm, most other realms were neutral

[random token]

What about Forest? Werent they the creator of dark stone or is that not confirmed. Or at least contributed in some way, from what we see in their cutscene

[untold notch]

they definitely played a large part in the creation of darkstone

[random token]

yeah I agree. Plus they seemed happy about the light we’ve shown

[keen shore]

@white junco it was me

[sterile orchid]

that image is genuinely terrifying to see with no context.

[tepid veldt]

its in your walls

[random token]

If anyone listens to "of monsters and men," and seen/heard King and Lionheart, I feel like it describes Pleading child and their parent, though we don't see much backstory, they are being taken away from each other

[frigid tinsel]

Oh i love Of Monsters and Men. Interesting you mention King and Lionheart, which is about Nanna and her brother being separated after her parents’ divorce

[slim mango]

Did Tiptoeing Tea Brewer blink

[random token]

I've heard so many different origin stories about that, one was about her and her brother being on different countries

[strange siren]

Hi lore I learned what sundogs are today. Look familiar?

[brisk python]

eden in real life!!11!

[untold notch]

you should look at parhelions also

[frigid tinsel]

They’re the same thing, just two different names

[deep flower]

I don't know if this should be in here but I had a lore idea for sky

What if sky had tribes not like the tribes already in the game but like selection tribes like earth, fire, water, air, light, dark?

[untold notch]

how do you mean?

[inland cliff]

I had a theory of rememberence guide backstory, basically they're one of the many magician who helped created the memory capsules by casting lights and charms into them. Later on he founded the 4 refugees which after khowing their past decided to let them use the memory capsules and stay there

[sharp lichen]

That’s a good idea, but we also see the Vault Elder using/creating one. Perhaps they were both magicians?

[lapis plover]

Does someone have all of the seasonal Spirit introduction cards saved somewhere? The ones TGC does leading up to the start of each Season

[untold notch]

there should be one in the pins of this channel

[random token]

triangles

[lapis plover]

Ooh, thank you! I can't wait to go through them!

[wanton quest]

the shipwreck in golden wasteland is actually enclosed in thick walls all around

[sharp lichen]

What walls

[frigid tinsel]

There’s a wall in front of it, like a gate of sorts, but the rest id natural cliff face

[wanton quest]

no I mean outside the wind walls past the fog it’s all thick walls sorry for the ping

you can also see it if you fly up into the hole in the clouds

[teal lodge]

hi I’m trying to dig into the sky lore and/or widely accepted fanon theories but have no clue where to start and having a hard time finding resources that are helpful to me. Sorry if this is a silly question, but does anyone have suggestions on where to start that aren’t like,, an overwhelming amount of information or requires scrambling between different sites and pages?

as of now my only way of getting information is searching through several different pages and sources for a clear answer to a question, which then mention another new concept to me that I need so understand to get the gist of the former, so then I repeat the process with that concept. it’s very tiring with me having the worlds tiniest attention span and I’m starting to push away the idea of even trying to understand it :’)

again sorry if the answer to this seems obvious I am just very lost right now and my brain is a scrambled egg tryna absorb information

[untold notch]

@sharp lichen what have you

[sharp lichen]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

This can help!

[teal lodge]

thank you!!

[pearl wraith]

Hello this is kinda out of the blue, but did anyone ever manage to calculate the gravity in Sky, I need to know what it is so badly, cause it doesn't seem to be the same as on Earth

[sharp lichen]

Let me uncover the ancient archives

It’s been almost a year since that effort was first pursued

Ah the crazy memories

[sharp lichen]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

This has Skykid falling speed, but something as big as universal gravity couldn’t be calculated in any reliable way

The falling speed was about 2.6 m/s, or about 1/4 Earth’s gravity.

[pearl wraith]

Thank you 🙏🙏🙏

[balmy spoke]

I was just having a thought in my head about uploading consciousness and what not.

It got me thinking, other than memory's are their version of preserving themselves and their culture, what If they where actually trying to do this to live forever kinda things?

I also noticed people have circular memory containers and items have boxy

Like a magical version of digitalisation

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, like how we’ve immortalized ourselves through photos, videos, and this very chat.

Also, an interesting thing:

Shards have the memories of light creatures in them.

Shards come from the Eden Diamond.

Thus, the Eden Diamond stored memories.

I think either memory containers were a way to emulate the Eden Diamond, or the Eden Diamond was the final version of the memory containers

[pastel brook]

Using emulators is against the Sky TOS, @sharp lichen. Please don’t use or discuss emulators here.

[sharp lichen]

QUIET

[balmy spoke]

True, breaking open a shard reveals memories.

I believe the diamond is the final version, if that turns off, perhaps all memories and spirits would be lost, it shattering is just it ejecting a violent ammout of power, like a power serge and its blown the fuse but the psu is still powering at an ever increasing ammout

When we die sky kids enter diamond, we on the other hand do not.. or at least not shown too, unknown if another sky kid saves us as we don't save other us's in the pnr

But we just fall to darkness, quite literally.

Or eden diamond stores Orbit with in

The real selves of the spirits died in the cataclysm of the diamond, what remained is the memories stored within

[floral skiff]

Do the sky kids deserve dying in eden?

[balmy spoke]

Deserve is phrases like a punishment
I say it's not. I feel like its there life in a cyclic manner
They too are immortal in a way, but to experience a "lifetime" they go through the cycle, and "die"

There seems to still be a fair amount of skids that just vibe in orbit, we too could do that, but we choose to do something at the very least, almost like a bored immortal just finding fun in the world

[hushed steeple]

Isnt the void of shattering just the sky version of the shadow realm

[balmy spoke]

Oh I don't mean the memories when you enter the void place, just the spirit memory minigame

The little spirit is fragmented so you collect the pieces and it becomes one, aka the shard dispensed itself around and you put it together

[shrewd zenith]

Isn't it interesting how the cave of prophecies is basically in seemingly an other realm? Its not really in Isle I think, it way further away. The reason why I think that is because the portal we go through is similar to the one at Home and Home seems to be far, far removed from the realms yet you can teleport to basically all of their enterances from there through portals

[frigid tinsel]

there is also a portal between Village Theater and Harmony Hall, but I don't think they're distances away

[sharp lichen]

Unless I’m mistaken, ‘portal’ means the things we see at home. Unlike most other transition spots which are a dark tunnel or similar, the cave of prophecies actually has a portal similar to the ones at home

There’s also portals to home in the final level of Vault. Perhaps the Ancestors constructed them for security purposes? @shrewd zenith

[random token]

Criminals in sky. What would their laws be?

[balmy spoke]

Don't be pleading child's mother

[shrewd zenith]

There isn't, the tunnel is implied to go through the mountain and there is no visible warping on the edges. There is warping with the enterance to the prophecy cave

[frigid tinsel]

yes there is no visible portal, but you can hear one

[balmy spoke]

I think that's just reused asset use case

Cheapest method. Made invisible to imply your just wandering off in a direction rather than portaled

[frigid tinsel]

couldn't the same be said for the "portal" to the Cave of Prophecies?

[balmy spoke]

But you see swerly, to me that is a portal bit

[frigid tinsel]

no need to be rude about it. couldn't the "portal" to the Cave of Prophecies also be a reused asset if the "portal" between Harmony Hall and Village Theater is a reused asset?

[balmy spoke]

The harmony hall to village theater is a way for them to tardis a building that couldn't be made without remodeling the local area

[frigid tinsel]

what

[balmy spoke]

Please describe what you don't understand so i can reword it then

And as for asset reuse, it most certainly is one, they where just sloppy on the execution of the implementation, could probably file a bug report that you can hear the invisible portal

[sharp lichen]

It’s still very odd that there even is a visible portal to the Prophecy Cave

They would’ve just made it a regular dark tunnel transition unless they had a reason to do it

[shrewd zenith]

Also isn't it fascinating that despite instruments not being visible until you light up the other sky kid, you can still hear them? Like its probably not that deep but I like to think about it lol

[frigid tinsel]

that's what I'm saying – it's prob not that deep about the portals

[sharp lichen]

Don’t fall into the skybot trap

[untold notch]

ask the belonging family

[sharp lichen]

Ask the Dreams Skater… bro forgot the permit to perform in the Colosseum 😭

[random token]

Naw free my homie skater 😢

@untold notch what did the belonging family do 👀

[austere bridge]

uh well
boogie kid presumably snuck onto that island in the sky
wise grandparent snuck into forbidden archives
sparkler parent stole sparklers from valley temple
and this is also kind of a long shot but we don't know if the cave hairtousle teen is in was open to the public at the time of the memory
well they also swiped a ukelele too
so there's a lot of crime there

[random token]

Ah I see. I never thought their stories involved "crime"

Now it's obvious lol

[uncut pond]

I like to headcanon that belonging grandma used to be a master of crime back in their day, but by the time of the belonging memories they had already retired and had their family do all the crime for them /hj

Sky mafia

[hushed steeple]

can someone pls explain the lore to me bc i just started playing and i heard its like tottally amazing so pls help LOL

[frigid tinsel]

Check out this write-up on darkstone being the centerpiece to the kingdom’s downfall: #lore-discussion-spoilers message
Note that this doesn’t include anything about the war but that’s currently being figured out.

[silk needle]

I was digging through some old screenshots (i think?? June or july ish it was the 6th month ig), and I found out that the telekinesis pew pew you make things float now spirit used to have short hair, and it looks pretty similar to the baffled botanist

My question is, do child spirits become geriatrics at the vault like mean girls become nurses or are these just their relatives?

This isn't based on anything just appearance wise

[lusty merlin]

i think its just similar hairstyles and are just completely different people, and can just be a reused asset, think of bashful prospector when they got the umbrella and we see that be reused for pioneer

[lusty merlin]

appearance's can have connections, think flight guide and prairie elder for example. but if its like content changes then it was changed for a reason. Could be to use later on or to cut out and replace with a better version that fits a character or scenery/story better

for Levitating adept i honestly just think the devs just switched hairstyles cuz longer hair worked better for some reason. I mean pointing candlemaker was known as pointing pilgrim before prophecy if im right so its not the first time a base game ancestor was changed

then again i think levitating adept always had long hair so we might not be thinking of the same ancestor but my point still stands

[silk needle]

Tha wss actually pretty insightful! Thanks for the explanation tac!/gen
Really appreciate it/gen
I was kinda thinking that the first version we see of that spirit is when they first started with their careers/died, and then the current version we see of them is like,, them but more experienced with their line of work/new and improved but also dustier?? But yours makes way more sense

[lusty merlin]

yaya your welcome! and for the vault study thing i see it more as an academy that anyone can go to to study, scholars in a way. Not like everyone gets their education at vault, but maybe if you really wanted to study a subject you couldn't fully get a class at a regular school you could attend the vault

either that or vault was used to study more magic based stuff, plus the memeory lantern thing but thats a whole other thing

[silk needle]

from what I'm reading, vault sounds like a pencil shaped college/university? but with magic and animals and stuff, that also serves as a shelter for refugees? still not sure what the remembrance seasonal area is exactly though

Maybe the memory lanterns were like live blogs, like YouTube videos or books, movies or something

[lusty merlin]

yaya I'd say it started as a university of sorts, then the war probably made it open the doors to refugees trying to escape the war

memory lanterns i can see be used for a lot of stuff too, like documenting or like a interactable photo album, like with the remembrance spirits being able to see the people they lost for a brief moment. And just memories in general like how we relive a spirit we relive a memory from said spirit. i'd say thats what memory lanterns would mostly be used for

[silk needle]

I feel like memory lanterns would be really useful if they existed irl

I don't have anythih else to add to that srroy

[lusty merlin]

yeah i'd honestly like to be able revisit and see a childhood memory in detail

or see my cat when she was younger when i'd first got her too🎉

[silk needle]

Same!! I wanna hear my old cat meow one last time
And for examinations as well, anything school related would be made so much easier tbh

[lusty merlin]

yaya! i could rewind if i missed somthing

[silk needle]

Yess!! But I feel like it would be banned or something 😭

Plus, drawing from memory wouldn't feel as wonky

[bold trellis]

I've been mulling this theory around with the first child of light, the one from isle memory, prophecies, and in the eden diamond.

I found some info about a prince/ King, but I never thought that sky kid seemed like a villain, they look like a prisoner that we're sent to rescue.

Please correct me here, bc my knowledge is so limited, but it seems like this sky kid was pushed on the path of the hero (prophecies) and filled with this idea that they were the answer to the kingdoms power problem. However, that first sky kid seems like pure light energy (white despite being in this core). I think the elders or king put the sky kid in the eden diamond, the sky kid had too much energy, overloaded the core energy reactor, and it blew up into the storm.

Could anyone help me out with this theory? I don't know all the seasons info to fact check ^^

[lusty merlin]

i'd personally say its more of: kid from stargazer memory falls, does the trails and fulfills the chosen one prophecy while also just being some regular kid, had the best intentions for the kingdom but it ultimately fell apart with it's own reasons

could've gotten stuck in the diamond when the explosion happened but id like to think the kid in orbit is actually a wing light personally (i can find the convo for it but i was thinking how when were a statue how do we get out/ascend? then i thought what if we ourselves receive a wl to help ascend and another skykid dies in our place and waits rinse and repeat)

if they did put a kid in the diamond i feel like they'd be some pointers like a mural or something but so far there's none

yaya it starts here! i way better articulate my thoughts here better than the summary i gave

[hushed steeple]

Are krill once golden?

[inland cliff]

they're both magician but Vault Elder held much more wisdom and power

[lean kayak]

TGC has confirmed that krills were creatures of light before corruption! However what kind of creature they were we don't know yet

[mortal tartan]

Maybe still Krill? Just peaceful and happy lol

[hushed steeple]

Or light krill

[floral skiff]

Corrupted new years dargons

[trim solar]

Is this area where you put your Theory’s?? Like in bulk?? Or more you spark a lore conversation

[spring python]

Based take honestly

[floral python]

How did the krills get even corrupted

[sterile orchid]

Either option often results in both!

[trim solar]

Ok thank you!

[silk needle]

they're going through an emo phase (their MySpace profiles are bustling) /nsrs

[trim solar]

Just random theory!!!
We sky kids are saving the frozen kids who don’t have the Power to rebirth themselves, like maybe they were tricked to go to eden, the wall paintings before the krill part look like sky kids worshipping the eye of eden, so maybe they tricked the sky kids into thinking that it’s good to go there or something like that(TALKUNG about the frozen kids we save with our WL) and us, the players, our life is basicly to go through life just to die to save the kids who don’t have the power to rebirth, to keep themselves alive, or something like that, the sky kids we save if they die not by eden, like by krill or drowning, their light isn’t stuck inside eden, so they would go to like sky heaven or something, but they can’t bc they are frozen in rocks and trapped by eden, so us, the only reason to life is to save those sky kids, be the hero’s and free them off the eye of eden so they can warn other kids who’s light can’t escape eden, spreading the truth, but the down side, us, will never be free, never to get to this sky heaven, just stuck to keep dying over and over again to save those who can’t escape. :]

[frail trellis]

Guys, is it true that krills are experiments gone wrong on manta rays?

I saw a theory like that, that's why the question. I researched and found it well confirmed

[sharp lichen]

There has been manta ray experimentation, whether it made the krill is anyone’s guess

[sharp lichen]

I like this theory! But I don’t like that they were tricked to go to Eden, maybe they came for the same reasons we did

[rocky grove]

hello, anyone got any spirit headcannons I can steal adopt

[sharp lichen]

Most seasonal spirits stay alive so long using weaponry. Prophecy spirits are warrior monks, while Abyss spirits have the capability of armed soldiers

[fair crown]

I agree to that theory 100%
Many things in abyss season locations hint that, plus the way mantas were captured in one of Aurora season songs

[sharp lichen]

Keep in mind in the Switch Trailer there was a creature that had a spotlight of a krill, so maybe that was the original creature

[rocky grove]

what kind of weaponry? I see the rhythm pendant used as some sort of shuriken due to its pointy nature

[sharp lichen]

For every spirit I have a weapon I attach them to 💀 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zJqUX_00nZMGFsB6cGEspDTvaoCNLQAFVlMzV_B-hq0/edit

[rocky grove]

interesting, reminds me of dnd

[upper river]

maybe the season pendants could be sort of like holy items? like the crucifix for example. they could represent the season guide as someone holy that has spiritual enlightenment. we see this sort of thing with aurora when you come see her concert as a moth and we see people praying at her and like she's a spiritually enlightened person. like the sky equivelent of a monk/priest?

[sharp lichen]

True, but I imagine the season guide as more of a leader

[rocky grove]

perhaps?

[upper river]

priests are often holy leaders and in catholicism (i go to a catholic school so its what i know most) and guide others to the light of jesus

[upper river]

maybe these things of holy leaders might link in with another religion but i have short term memory

[sharp lichen]

True, I never thought of religion that much in Sky

[tepid veldt]

ask and you shall receive!

• assembly crew and abyss crew meeting in treasure reef. lots of arson and chaos
• chimesmith being your very cool and gay uncle
• all the spirits love our skid, but they cant all go and descend to see them. the traveling spirits are a lottery system. for example:
  “oh, piggyback, thats your slip! you get to visit them today!”

NOT THE REPLY NOO

[lusty merlin]

There isn’t any implication it held any religious value though, I honestly just think the pendants are just pendants, otherwise you’d think you see some more imagery

Plus since sky is a game that wants to include all and everyone, it wouldn’t make sense to simply focus on a real life religious theme like Christianity, and frankly would stick out like a sore thumb. Not saying the sky world doesn’t have their own religion, cuz I belive they do in a way , but it’s more of a fact than a belief that megabird is real yaknow

[random token]

I am so confident that that's the pre corrupted krill

[ionic patrol]

whoaaa omw to look up this trailer 👩‍💻

[sharp lichen]

@upper river I think some pendants are more important than others. The pendant is literally just Megabird, while the pendant appears in many other places in Sky. The is based on the real life fleur-de-lis, while are based on physical objects and not much else:

[keen shore]

The pendant is probably not megabird, it just references directional signs (kinda like street signs) throughout the kingdom, especially prairie, which are based on arrow shapes. Think like street signs.

Considering they live in the wind paths and often direct people through there, it would make a lot of sense. is also

[lusty merlin]

Yeah and they also tend to point to the wind-paths aswell, even the one ontop of the santuary bells point to the windpaths that wouldn’t appear for another year

[sharp lichen]

I don’t think so, there’s #lore-discussion-spoilers message which looks similar to . Given they have their own light whisperer and are the most connected to light creatures, it would make sense for them to at least look up to the Light

[lusty merlin]

That’s concept art though, megabird ingame doesnt really resemble that though

[sharp lichen]

Megabird ingame is just the same thing, but curled up

[keen shore]

Eh, using one piece of concept art as evidence that’s what is based off of when there’s much simpler and more obvious evidence clearly visible throughout the realms — just go to Bird’s Nest — seems like a bit of a stretch at best

Of course they look up to the Light to some degree, they’re anti darkstone, but really it’s probably much more likely to be a stylized arrow

[lusty merlin]

Feel like is flight wanted to emulate this was megabird the pendant would look somthing more to the image here

[pastel brook]

Using emulators is against the Sky TOS, @lusty merlin. Please don’t use or discuss emulators here.

[lusty merlin]

Plus the one of them in orbit pre credit one is also vastly different

[lucid egret]

Hehehoho I’ll go :3c
Light Whisperer, Warrior of Love, and Pleading Child all make up an adorable found family
Cannoneer, Angler, and Tea Brewer make up a polyamorous relationship (mostly because I think Cannoneer is cute with both Angler AND Tea Brewer and I can’t choose)
Postman confessed to Yeti and they both tutor the Skater Girl/have become honorary aunts/uncles (help what’s the gender neutral term for aunt/uncle) to the Skater Girl

[keen shore]

Occam’s Razor is relevant here

I think if you want to pick apart a seasonal symbol with tons of symbolism and history behind it, is a really good one to do that

[lusty merlin]

Had to google that but ya I agree

[sharp lichen]

Idk, there’s too much similarities to just have it be an ordinary arrow

[lusty merlin]

That plus like most pendants are relevant to the season area themselves like for example

[sharp lichen]

Occam’s razor can be used to tear apart the entirety of Sky lore

[lusty merlin]

And personally I think if it was megabird their appearance in orbit and the cutscene could be more consistent

[sharp lichen]

Wdym by consistent

[keen shore]

Like?

[lusty merlin]

Stealing this from a thumbnail but they look completely differnt here, it’s not like they stay in one form but they definitely shift a lot

[keen shore]

No, not really. I rely on it a lot to make theories, personally. For some topics there’s a lot of “simplest explanations”, which is why we have debates.

[sharp lichen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/632004389137154048/1050662257652138034/98CF0046-C715-4054-B99A-02F1A6370126.jpg

[keen shore]

Considering the vast majority of that collage is concept art, I feel wary using it to disprove evidence that we see for our own eyes in the current game. A good portion of it also doesn’t resemble Megabird or like at all

[sharp lichen]

Why can’t the season of flight be inspired by concept art+ there’s many things in it that appear in the final game

It’s not an exact replica of megabird but the 2 have the two ‘arm’ thingies protruding up and down

[lusty merlin]

Yeah like thinking or the aurora mural at just being a teaser for it in harmony hall or a piece of fanart that some all knowing mural of a person

[keen shore]

A lot of things have two arm thingies protruding up and down… like arrows

[rocky grove]

THAT'S ADORABLE

[sharp lichen]

It could also be multipurpose: it started off as a design based on Megabird, but it then was used to represent arrows

[lusty merlin]

Concept art doesn’t equal cannon

It’s concept for a reason, sure some things can appear from concept art and take inspo, but the original concept and idea stays a concept

And with the idea of windpaths are how the symbols are used, it does lean to more of a direction symbol than megabird, and I think it fits more than it behind megabird really

Since it leads and directs to various places, megabird doesn’t really do that, they’re just there in their own lil world

[keen shore]

For your consideration. Look at the fourth column especially

[lusty merlin]

I was like you when you where younger, then I took an arrow to the knee /ref

[keen shore]

The last stylized arrow in the fourth column really resembles

I can see it being vaguely based off a bird with folded wings but not the Megabird (who honestly does not look much like a bird anymore, wish we had a better name for Them)

[sharp lichen]

The Light is a common one

[keen shore]

I personally believe that’s different from Megabird. Like, the Light is every bit of living light in the world and outside of it (in orbit) & Megabird is what’s in orbit and not alive in the world rn. For example, skykids outside of orbit are a part of the light but not Megabird

[lusty merlin]

Kinda with designing, I realized one of oc’s old patterns and color wouldn’t work for them considering their job and occupation (manta caretaker, pallete before was more for cosmic manta and very fancy), but would definitely work on another oc who has a more elegant feel to them and a manta theme

So that can be an example of taking inspo from a concept and using them later for somthing else, but not directly copy and pasting

[keen shore]

is nowhere near squiggly or branchy enough to be Megabird imo

[sharp lichen]

If I can suspend my disbelief enough to believe giant dark angry dragon things are called “krill”, then I could do the same for Megabird

I mean, do you think the Ancestors would have a 100% accurate depiction of the Megabird? It’s stylized

[lusty merlin]

Krill is a fannon name though

Plus spirits can come back down from orbit and see megabird so yes I think they can make an accurate image

[sharp lichen]

Megabird is also a fanon name to an extent

[keen shore]

Well, the first one is pretty easy, just google pictures of krill and you’ll find that they look similar to krill. …Also, krill is a fanon name, they’re called dark dragons ingame

[lusty merlin]

Oh krill is a cannon name? Thought it was fannon my bad

Ignore this message

[keen shore]

SORRY mixed up words, it’s fanon
AUTOCORRECT I HATE YOU

[random token]

wild.

[sharp lichen]

You have to squint really hard to see the “crabs” in Sky as rock crabs

[lusty merlin]

Honestly if megabird did have a differnt name I’d love to use it but all we know is that they’re the only one similar to what we see in concept names

[sharp lichen]

It kinda makes sense. A bird is the smallest unit of light, so a “mega bird” would be the largest

Who knows what a megakrill would look like

[lusty merlin]

Kinda with king/chosen one id much prefer an actual name outside a gauge concept

[keen shore]

Birds are not the smallest unit of light, wax balls and butterflies exist

[sharp lichen]

Sky doesn’t do actual names that often, maybe we could look at the animation project subtitles

[sharp lichen]

Birds are the smallest light creatures in terms of how much light they give you

[lusty merlin]

I don’t think the project will have dialogue though to keep up with the no dialouge theme in sky (minus aurora, forgot abt princes dialogue but my point stands)

[keen shore]

Can you explain what that means? Butterflies recharge you quite a bit

[cunning dagger]

How long has everyone been with sky.

[sharp lichen]

2 years!

[keen shore]

2+ years also! Since enchantment

[lusty merlin]

I think I’m at 1 and a half? Started during late prince

[sharp lichen]

I can’t measure it, but I think birds recharge your light at a slower pace than butterflies and mantas.

It’s also a naming thing, “Megabird” sounds better than “Megawax” or “Megabutterfly”

[keen shore]

Nah, if you fly through the flock of them (really the only way we can up close interact with birds) it’s about the same.

[cunning dagger]

3+ years

[lusty merlin]

Or they just, resemble a bird yaknow

Since they kinda look like a bird, and that’s the only name we really have for them

[keen shore]

I think the name Megabird is just because their concept name had it (cause they vaguely resemble a bird) and it stuck. Right now, the bird resemblance is still there a little bit, but it’s the kind other people have to tell you about to see

[lusty merlin]

Yaya exactly, if we ever get a cannon name for megabird if it did changed I’d be more than happy to use that one

[sharp lichen]

Like what? Sky avoids proper nouns like the plague

[lusty merlin]

That’s for the devs to decide

[sharp lichen]

When was the last time a proper noun was used in Sky (don’t count proper nouns named after common nouns)

[lusty merlin]

Idk I never counted, I’m not really a math guy /ref

[keen shore]

The elders and their realms have proper noun names, also spirit and season names off the top of my head. Most recent proper noun that appeared in the game… probably Days of Fortune or Tiptoeing Teabrewer

[lusty merlin]

Oh they do have a image for what I’m referencing

Yaya, plus even if we did count idk what that would even accomplish, just they style of how they pick names

If the devs do have a different megabird name, its better than what I can come up with

[frigid tinsel]

proper nouns named after common nouns are proper nouns. Baud, you can't decide how grammar works

[tepid veldt]

grammar is wack

[half shadow]

a proper noun’s just a british noun innit

[keen shore]

Counterpoint: grammar only exists because people slowly decided how it works over time. I think a new genre of proper nouns should exist called Proper Proper Nouns /j

[rigid mural]

not siding with anyone, just pointing out observations

[half shadow]

BOL for short

[lusty merlin]

Yaya i can see where your coming from, just I think flight symbol is more connected to arrow symbolism and all than the bird

Like thinking of the theme of the season and all

[eternal totem]

10 years

[low spindle]

Yknow what, atleast a week by now I think /j

Also hello Lore chat, whats the thing going on here

[lusty merlin]

Flight guide symbol, just trying to observe if it’s megabird or an arrow, I just think it’s more of an arrow to direct since with flights themes and all

[frigid tinsel]

Reincarnation?

[lusty merlin]

They saw sky when they were six

[half shadow]

I think that arrows and bird symbols could have similar meanings. Thinking about the god of Hermes and how his one of his domains is travelers and journeymen and anybody essentially setting out on the road with a purpose, how he was known for his swiftness as a messenger and how his sacred animal was a hawk. Birds are pretty commonly associated with freedom of movement as they travel long distances unrestricted, so imagining that a pointing arrow, a symbol of direction, to me makes sense as to them meaning similar things. Forward motion, clear path, swift arrival and all that.

[frigid tinsel]

And birds have a point (their beaks)

[half shadow]

maybe the arrow is pointing to where birds are because birds are at flight location. maybe it just means “hey birds are this way come see birds”

I feel like Flight is kind of filled with bird symbolism tbh <— totally not coping and seething over big Flight bird from preview art

[keen shore]

I’m also reminded of how some birds have an innate sense of navigation (magnetoreception) like pigeons

[frigid tinsel]

What we could’ve had…

[half shadow]

yeah exactly, as well as migratory patterns being hardwired into their genes and whatnot. they always know where they gotta go, so emblazoning an otherwise ordinary “go this way for wind path travel” arrow with a bird-like design could be referring to how birds and other flying creatures were seen similarly among Ancestor culture

[keen shore]

The birds in Sky use the shortest path towards Eden very consistently. Granted, it seems to be because Dawn guided them there for us (so we can follow their path there) but the point still stands; ancestors could’ve taken advantage of birds’ ability to find the shortest path to places like Eden in order to follow them there as free navigation, much like we do today

[half shadow]

Even without bringing the overarching symbolism of the Megabird into it I think it still holds up on its own

[half shadow]

what could have been….

[rigid mural]

im clutching my heart dramatically, my other hand extended towards the elder bird... coughing... on my knees...
we could have had it all...

[keen shore]

Same here! I think you could vaguely tie Megabird in if you really wanted, but the symbolism probably much more ties to normal birds instead. It definitely doesn’t mean the symbol and the spirits it represents are somehow holier or more important than others, which is what kickstarted this discussion

[random token]

I'm having a hard time following. Whats the topic?

[half shadow]

BIRDS

[keen shore]

The symbolism of symbol

[frigid tinsel]

I can imagine the thought process behind picking the weather vane as the Flight symbol would be "oh birds are often used in weather vanes, why not use the god bird?" and everyone nodding like it was a good idea

[half shadow]

also salem I’m now headcanoning all birds as being pigeons. they kinda look like them in Whisperer’s character art

[rigid mural]

OH FUN FACT ABOUT PIGEONS

[random token]

Looks like an arrow or fish

[keen shore]

Starting a new theory that the symbol is actually based off Rain’s head but rotated, cause it has the diamond and the long hair beneath it. Flight guide teleports into my house to kill me instantly /j

[rigid mural]

THEY USED TO BE PETS !!! PICK UP A PIGEON IN YOUR LOCAL GARBAGE DUMP
and you will have... a friend

[frigid tinsel]

it’s free bird friend

[random token]

Wouldn't the flight symbol just represent the wind paths?

[half shadow]

i did this once at a park as a kid, they were all eating seeds on the ground someone threw and i just walked over and scooped one up. my mom yelled at me though so no friend for me

[half shadow]

well yeah, but the wind paths themselves being represented with a bird shaped like a pointing arrow makes a lot of sense logically too

[random token]

Two

[random token]

That's a bit confusing. It's probably not that deep in my opinion but I can see the "bird shape"

[rigid mural]

are we the same person

[keen shore]

Your sameness will never compare to The Salems/j

[half shadow]

Mainly we were discussing how in lots of other cultures the bird has been used to symbolize navigation, swift travel, and freedom of movement, which are all things that the Wind Paths transport system provided the Ancestors with, so it’d make sense for them to choose an artistic design loosely resembling a bird

[random token]

Ah I see then. Thanks for the explanation

[keen shore]

Fun fact, did y’all know dancing performers mask is a pigeon?

[half shadow]

as well as the potentially religious symbolism what with the Megabird and all. I think it would make sense for at least some aspects of concepts like traveling being considered in the Megabird’s domain

[half shadow]

omg i thought it was like a parrot, this is wonderful news

[rigid mural]

I like to think Dancing Performer has a pigeon mask because the village is where they came from but they left it for a long time, and came back just in time to help the young skater

[half shadow]

that’s so cute aaaa

I can’t remember if we got confirmations on if any of the Flight spirits had relatives from other seasons, did I make that up

[rigid mural]

@keen shore

[keen shore]

YES HOLD ON

here!!

[half shadow]

SWAG THANKS

[keen shore]

Relations to other seasons, light whisperers card hints imply that flight and sanctuary r super intertwined

[half shadow]

makes sense!! prarie gang

it was always so cute to me that Whisperer basically had a moth hairstyle. they’re just babby

[lusty merlin]

They go out for brunch every Tuesday before the horrors

[frigid tinsel]

Youngest in the group, would be fine if an elder bird bit them

[untold notch]

ah yes a reason to post this

[tepid veldt]

astral memes
good

[rigid mural]

imagine if they got adopted tho, that's a big baby bird
: "light whisperer HUNGRY feed them 20 pound bag of birdseed"

[shrewd zenith]

@keen shore so Astra mentioned it now and also before, but what is your theory on the connection between Ceremonial Worshipper and the Flight Spirit?

[keen shore]

I’m not sure! I would assume guild members with chimesmith, or a teacher they had? This was Vela’s observation iirc, but there’s a connection to be made with the ceremony ceremonial worshipper performs & the way chimes summon light creatures

[pastel brook]

I like the way you think!

[untold notch]

I should probably not have as many as in my nickname as I do

[floral skiff]

rng rain

[tepid veldt]

there’s 15 i think, counting’s hard

[untold notch]

I just know I have the max character limit in my nickname

[slate saffron]

Sky's protestant reformation was switching from Megabird worship to King worship

[sharp lichen]

Sky’s Great Schism

[keen shore]

The message isn’t loading but is it sometjing I can sufficiently call a divorce yes or no

[sharp lichen]

Is Megabird x King a ship?

[untold notch]

yeah

[keen shore]

I sure hope not, but realistically, probably yes

[frigid tinsel]

would not surprise me

[untold notch]

I was going to say almost exactly this

like I typed out "I sure hope so" and then saw you send that

[half shadow]

Megabird is sad that King left them for The Diamond

[sharp lichen]

A great contender for the divorce speedrun any%

[umbral urchin]

Lore chat, goose has question. Where krills come from?

[tepid veldt]

theyve been confirmed to be corrupted light creatures

[umbral urchin]

Like that massive white thing that destroys the coliseum looking structure during the rebirth?

[tepid veldt]

ah no, thats a whale! we arent sure if the two are related. some people have theorized that krill are amalgamations of drained mantas (thats not the right description :(

[untold notch]

me sorry

[umbral urchin]

:o

[flint bolt]

ahem

Since the Light went away, there's been a huge void of nothingness just kinda sitting where it was. And from that nothingness spawned the krills, beings made of pure darkness attacking anything light in fear that the light returning will "send them away".

[umbral urchin]

What wardy doing out of cozy?

[flint bolt]

being smort

[umbral urchin]

:o

[sharp lichen]

Warden is a lore chatter first and a cozy chatter second

[untold notch]

and this is based on what exactly

[misty warren]

this was probably already answered before but how did the spirits die exactly? because I saw them just doing their business and not like they knew what was going on, did they all just die suddenly?

[sharp lichen]

They died in different ways. For example, the Fainting Warrior probably died from wounds, while it’s likely most of the Hidden Forest spirits died from the toxic rain.

[keen shore]

and mining accidents

[untold notch]

crab whisperer died from being too silly

[flint bolt]

Zero clue, but their memories we see give us slight clues.

[flint bolt]

gameplay

[sharp lichen]

What?

[untold notch]

what at all suggests that

[misty warren]

thanks for the answers, though I thought there was an apocalypse and everyone just dies suddenly

[flint bolt]

uh-

[sharp lichen]

YOUR THEORIES NEED EVIDENCE WARDEN

it’s the first thing you learn in science class

[flint bolt]

im a story teller not a theory crafter

[sharp lichen]

Then write Sky fanfiction (not an insult, there’s good stories inspired by Sky)

[flint bolt]

but sky fan fiction crang

[frigid tinsel]

just make sure to distinguish what is headcanon or fanfiction from evidence-based theories

[untold notch]

kill not the part of you that is cringe, but the part of you that cringes

[flint bolt]

shuffles back to cozy

[lusty merlin]

Yaya, i like my headcannons but i also know they’re head-cannons for a reason

[keen shore]

don’t call sky fanfics cringe, many are genuinely great pieces of writing and creativity. insulting them for what they are is doing them a disservice. the only thing limiting you from having fun with them is yourself.

[frigid tinsel]

not me submitting Sky fanfic for my graduate courses

[lusty merlin]

Yeah exactly Salem!

If I want to write the elders going to Mc’donalds, i can

If I also wanna write the slow spiral decent of them being stuck inside limbo with only them and their thoughts, I can :}

[spring python]

I’ve seen better written fanfic than a lot of published books

[random token]

Wait a minute get outta here warden! You belong in cozy

And goose?!

[keen shore]

One of the pieces I’m most proud of writing is a sky fanfic. Shame is a slow and insidious killer of innocent fun, don’t let it get you too

[random token]

Don't have any shame for the things you like, if it's not hurting anyone

[lusty merlin]

“You like the number seven, right?”

[frigid tinsel]

it depends – for most of them, we don't know. there's an assumption that the spirit memories depict the ancestors' last living moments, but as you said, they seemed to be going about their business with no indication that anything was amiss. so aside from, say, "Fainting" Warrior, the spirit memories do not depict the ancestors' last moments.

for some we could presume reasons for how they died given the setting we find them in. their deaths could be related to the Eden calamity, but that depends on whether they were alive around that time. some ancestors have been thought to have lived post-apoc, like the Assembly scouts and the Abyss crew, while others could be at any other point in the timeline, so they could've had uneventful deaths.

personally I find it unlikely that the Eden calamity killed all the ancestors at once. for one thing, that'd have to be a very damning catastrophe – I mean, it was, but not to the caliber of petrifying everyone at once. while it's thought that the Eden calamity could be why the Forest trees appeared petrified, it could also be due to the darkness rain. also the petrified spirits are in the same position. if everyone died at the same time, then why did they bend over and freeze into the same shape instead of frozen in the pose they were in as they went about their day-to-day lives?

[random token]

Even if they were going about their day normally, the event/war/ corruption could've been sudden and quick about their deaths

They could've been wiped out quickly but I doubt it

[frigid tinsel]

I think any ancestors who survived after Eden exploded would not have lived any longer than a generation. the kingdom seems to have been in terrible disarray – torn apart by war, ravaged by darkness and corrupted creatures. an apocalypse would cause a breakdown of infrastructure, threatening those who depended on it for survival

[random token]

That's what I think as well! It might just be their final happy, normal, worry less memories, when we relive them.

Well except for a few

The last thing they experience, is what I'm saying, before the boom

[keen shore]

I don’t think that’s necessarily true; for instance, if stargazer’s memories are what was happening right when the disaster struck, the timeline would be incredibly weird

[frigid tinsel]

I had an idea that spirit memories depend on the location the spirit petrified, depicting what they had been doing there when they had been alive if the spirit was retracing their steps, hence why almost all spirit memories correlate with their environment. the exception are the Remembrance spirit memories, which construct their environments rather than navigate the one they have. why idk

[cold sparrow]

it's probably some of the most impactful memories of their life
that left an imprint on the world

[random token]

Well of course not for all, fainting warrior mightve been during the corruption or war

[keen shore]

…Would those memories being projected from a memory lantern be a possible reason?

[frigid tinsel]

I like the imprint idea – had a similar thought I need to track down. though aren't some of the spirit memories rather mundane to be impactful? like Courageous Soldier and Laidback Pioneer just walking

[random token]

cheering spectator: /j

[cold sparrow]

i don't recall the memories of those spirits right now, but it might also just be things like habits
or represent a moment where they felt connected to the area, their home, or whatever

[random token]

That's a nice thought tbh.

[frigid tinsel]

that actually goes back to my imprint idea – spirit memories could form from a spirit retracing their footsteps from when they were alive, perhaps the last things they remembered before petrifying.

this is old but I've written on part of this before

been thinking of spirit memories as analogous to winged light – meaning that they're not the same, obviously, but serve a similar function.

if winged light are the imprints of children of light, the impressions skykids left on the world, then could spirit memories be the impressions those ancestors left on the world? in that way, the memories we relive are the spirits' most memorable moments in regards to their location, as the world remembers them? that would explain why some memories are seemingly not as memorable, such as walking, but the world finds it memorable in regards to that ancestor.

I also find it interesting that the spirit memories lead to the petrified spirit, especially when they start very far from their final location. this lends some credence that these are the impressions of the ancestors the Sky world has left of them. in a way, the Sky world is leading the skykids to the spirits by invoking the ancestors' memories. we are literally following the footprints of the ancestors to find and rescue them.
I would elaborate further but I really have to get food

[cold sparrow]

like, if you had to take a moment from your life that you think represents you
depending on who you ask, it might be a traumatizing moment, it might be a happy memory, it might be your favorite hobby, or it might just be your daily work

[frigid tinsel]

it's just very curious to me why this correlates to where the petrified spirit is. did they all just happen to petrify in places that were significant to them?

[keen shore]

Courageous Soldier did face a krill at the end of their memory, which would be something to note, but you’re right with laidback pioneer. Meditating monastic and polite scholar are other good just some guy ones

[random token]

I feel like, even though not shown, scout could've had some impactful or helpful moments from spotting an enemy or krill early, saving lives or letting the warriors prepare

[cold sparrow]

or could have been too late, and watched their squad get krilled moments after-

[frigid tinsel]

then why don't we see that? why do we only see the moments before?

[cold sparrow]

vague storytelling and gameplay, mostly

[random token]

[frigid tinsel]

okay I ate food and can actually answer this fully now
re: Remembrance spirits & memory cubes – not exactly sure how memory cubes work, but had an idea that may inform a plausible explanation.

considering that spirit memories always lead to where the spirit is petrified, I wonder if spirit memories are determined in the last moments before a spirit succumbs to darkness. as skykids petrify when they run out of light, do spirits petrify when they no longer have enough light to sustain themselves against darkness?

perhaps they shed their light as they wander, vulnerable to darkness without a living body to protect it. since light has some correlation with memory, the light they lose would cause them to forget things.

I'm thinking spirits low on light have a tendency to wander, chasing the light they're losing. they may gravitate to places they've been before that are accessible. they try to remember what they were doing in a certain spot, bring that memory to the surface of their consciousness, but it shifts out their grasp as literal light, dripping into the world like water, becoming spirit memories.

and because they're trying to figure out what they're forgetting, actively thinking about the gaps in their memories, the Vault reacts to them. I had a theory that purple light in the Starlight Desert created the structures there by reacting the TLP lads' thoughts, forming around their vices we know them for. with the Remembrance spirits, it's not quite purple light but rather memory cubes led adrift in the void space (which may have formed from purple light) reacting to the memories the Remembrance spirits shed as they wander.

under this assumption, the Remembrance spirits, low on light, could've been trying to remember, but with the Vault falling into disarray, there wasn't much of the area to shape their recollections. instead, the memory cubes' projections could be making them think that's where they are, so their spirit memories imprint on such.

the Remembrance spirit memories depict some incredibly poignant events – Pleading Child separated from their caregiver, Bereft Veteran watching their child grow up and never return – things that would stick to them. post-traumatic stress disorder entails those stressful events frequenting their mind, consciously or unconsciously shaping their behavior. it's possible they were thinking about those moments in some form or another, bringing those memories and the light with it to the surface before shedding it.

if the memory cubes were reacting to what the spirits were thinking about, then it's plausible that the memory cubes latched onto those traumatic moments, whether they shed that light encoded with those memories or were just thinking about them – and began projecting them back. this would further emphasize those memories, shedding their light, the memory cubes reflecting it, and so on – creating a feedback loop until the spirit ran out of light and petrified to darknesss.

this is all speculation, of course, but it does answer why spirit memories are almost always set in the place we found them and lead to the petrified spirit

[sharp lichen]

i know it's a bit mean-spirited but I never got the Starlight Desert=Purple Light connection, is it literally just the color?

I guess purple light created stuff but what does that lead to?

[untold notch]

purple light is shown to manifest structures, i believe

[sharp lichen]

I guess, though if the assumption is that Vault used Purple Light, does that mean Isle used Red Light?

[frigid tinsel]

There’s no evidence of such, but one could assume so since it’s the last light not assigned to an Elder

[round parrot]

The entrance (from Vault) is geometrically incorrect

[sharp lichen]

Maybe that's how white candles work?

Colored lights are strange because they've appeared in 4 seasons- and in those seasons, Prophecy only confirmed the connection in retrospect and ignored the two most interesting lights, Sanctuary has exactly one (1) light show up, Aurora which handwaved the lights' powers and even got the colors wrong

[frigid tinsel]

I doubt the devs would get their own magic system incorrect

[sharp lichen]

Then why would blue light, which normally controls water, now turn the carpets a different color?

Again the last season the colored lights were shown in were 2 years ago when developing Aurora

[frigid tinsel]

Blue light correlates with water, unfurling carpet is like flowing water

[sharp lichen]

Maybe even the Eden in Starlight Desert is an illusion? it's showing the wrong way

[frigid tinsel]

How do you know Eden is facing the wrong way?

[sharp lichen]

The map.

[sharp lichen]

That's a massive stretch to say the least

[frigid tinsel]

As mentioned before, the map seems to have stylistic differences to form the diamond shape, so it may not be wholly geographically accurate. Also the map was implemented after TLP, so perhaps it’s placement on the map was wrong rather than Eden being wrong

[frigid tinsel]

Just because you don’t understand the connection doesn’t mean the connection is wrong

[halcyon abyss]

Alasdair, your ideas on the memory cubes are wonderful. And the retracing steps to the memories. The dwindling of light. You, also have a wonderful way with words and imagery with lore theories.

[sharp lichen]

I do understand the connection, and given that blue light was shown to:

A. Purify a lake of water
B. Create or purify rain

I would the connection wouldn't make sense given what we see of blue light.

[frigid tinsel]

Aww thank you, your kind words are very touching. I try to explain things as best I can

[frigid tinsel]

If you expanded your horizons beyond what we can strictly see, then other possibilities open up. we just know that blue light has some connection with water. Perhaps it can do more than purify other bodies of water or manifest water, as long as one can tie it to water in some way.

Again, if that’s how the devs decided how to use the colored light, then that’s a way to use colored light. They found some reason to rationalize its usage during Aurora, so it isn’t wrong — they’re the makers of the magic system

[sharp lichen]

Your second paragraph I agree with. After all, the devs aren't wrong- they're the makers of the game. If blue light could create dark dragons because they live in water, I would be forced to believe it and make a theory about it.

But then why are you rejecting the map? It may be infamous, but saying "it's not geographically accurate, ignore it" seems antithetical to what you're saying.

[frigid tinsel]

I did not say it ignore it, I said it appears to have taken some artistic liberties that have lowered it geographical accuracy. For isntance, the Vault is vertical, not diagonal. I would not say a map is a more accurate representation of the world that the world we’re in. It’s more likely the map is wrong than the world is wrong.

[sharp lichen]

Then could I be fair in saying that the Aurora season's use of the colored lights took some creative liberties?

And then there's the strange fusion of orange and red light

[frigid tinsel]

Maybe, but that doesn’t mean the magic is wrong or blue light was used incorrectly, just the rules of the magic system are flexible rather than strict.

And wdym?

[halcyon abyss]

I feel like the colors with Aurora and the magic set in place is really in tune with each of the spirits. Although their locations for reliving doesn't match the color of the orb location now, each of the colors represents the spirits and what they did. It also gave us that although the orbs locations are fairly set, we see how each power has touched other realms.

Mindful Miner - Forest - Green: they recognized they needed to rekindle their respect for the earth.

Running Wayfarer - Isle - Blue: like the ocean, their motions were never ceasing.

Seed of Hope - Wasteland - Orange: the fire within this spirit needed to be strong to overcome the treacherous war.

Warrior of Love - Valley - Cyan: They were kind and uplifting(we see this with the way they treated the mantas) and just like the winds, it elevated them to a happier, higher ground.

I apologize, if I misunderstood the color reference in AURORA, baud. I tried to reread and hopefully offer insight. But I may have misunderstood.

[untold notch]

thats something i havent thought about before 👁️ very interesting

[sharp lichen]

Then why can't the rules of Vault be flexible rather than strict?

[untold notch]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Architecture

[frigid tinsel]

I never said the rules of the Vault were strict. Honestly, with what one can fathom purple light is capable of, I’d say it’s very flexible

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, I absolutely love how the Aurora spirits are designed around the colored lights!

My main problem is with how they're used afterwards

[untold notch]

are you gonna provide examples for the other three ah ok editing

[halcyon abyss]

Astral out here like

[frigid tinsel]

Running Wayfarer: I forgor
Valid lol

[sharp lichen]

Actually nope I'm squinting too much it's hurting my eyes

[untold notch]

i fear i may be getting too silly

reala actual! take care of yourself

[sharp lichen]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpet

[pastel brook]

I just want you to feel you're doing well

-does a big think-

[sharp lichen]

Go back to #report-a-live-bug and do your job!

[pastel brook]

you are so funny!

[sharp lichen]

you are so unfunny

[pastel brook]

Did you know crabs are non-flammable?

[untold notch]

i am having confusions

[sharp lichen]

We were talking up above on how Running Wayfarer used Blue Light, associated with water, to change the color of the carpets

[untold notch]

the architecture part was about vault tho

also this one mural in isle (ty salem for the masterlist!) depicts vault as vertical and not diagonal

[pastel brook]

Who put all these candles everywhere?!?

[halcyon abyss]

I finally understand! I was so confused how carpet was brought into this! But I remember now that completing the first AURORA quest made carpets appear. They flowed like water down the coliseum towards the center.

[halcyon abyss]

...I, I don't know. You tell me?!

[sharp lichen]

Maybe, but I still have my doubts, especially with the orange light acting like red light (showing murals and all)

[keen shore]

I REMEMBER YOU MENTIONING THIS IDEA (without the remembrance bit) AGES AGO AND I KINDA LATCHEDNON TO IT SINCE, I REALLY LIKE IT!!

re: the discussion earlier: the magic in Aurora gives me a bit of a headache, I will probably find an explanation for it later but Not Tonight. I got the distinct vibe with Aurora that they thought more about what they needed to be added to the colosseum first (ie the trees or whatever) and the spirits already had those colored lights for whatever reason, so what the lights did from a magic system pov didn’t really matter if that makes sense

[halcyon abyss]

Oooh!! I see!!

Because then green magic makes the trees grow on stage. Cyan created the wind effect that caused the murals to reveal themselves(I like to think it was "blowing away the built up snow" ) then the Orange lights the lanterns and finishes the backdrop(but I'm also a little uncertain to the orange/red light here)

Sometimes it looks orange to me to represent fire, but then others it looks red

[frigid tinsel]

Orange light made the sun mural

[halcyon abyss]

Oop. Howdy, Salem. I just saw your thing. Was doing some research before popping back in.

Yes yes, I see that too about the orange light and the big sun mural.

[keen shore]

Like this:

• we need to make giant tree cutouts appear before the temple after this next quest
• let’s make the spirit whose memory we relived this time do that to connect it back to the quest and because a ton of other seasonal quests do that
• their inner light is green so we’ll show that in the cutscene
  “they have green light, which controls rocks and earth” wasn’t really considered, because overthinking made the whole situation a lot harder to plan, I guess? None of this answers how it fits into canon, it’s just how I imagine the development process working

[pastel brook]

Sounds like it!

[keen shore]

Unless they’re not actually colored lights but a secret, yet unknown thing… which I’m not even going to begin to tackle.

I had to actually make myself stop trying to figure out how it made sense the colored lights did that because it was a headache that wasn’t going to get solved, and eventually I was like, yeah it’s probably just something that wasn’t really considered in development, not worth looking too deep into it unless I think of something later.

[frigid tinsel]

Green light grew flowers at the Ark and Scarecrow Farmer presumably tried to use that to grow crops, so green light isn’t exclusively rocks and earth. It could also be used like a sort of fertilizer

[keen shore]

You could say something about Sky having a soft magic system so this doesn’t technically violate any magic rules beyond what we’ve invented, but honestly and respectfully, I personally think saying blue light made the carpet colors change because carpet is like flowing water is a stretch

[halcyon abyss]

Oooh. Yes. With the arc quest
"...they are gifts to the Earth from the Sky."

So honestly. Each one has such a range for potential.

[keen shore]

The lights do a lot of really, really neat things. Like there’s speculation that orange light can be used for healing as well as harming, as well as being a possible insta kill button if you use it right. Purple light manifests things out of thin air and glitches reality itself out. Green light makes plants grow and rocks float. But honestly, although I tried to figure out how they all worked in the context of the Aurora quests, nothing made sense without me feeling like I was pulling a muscle from stretching too hard

[keen shore]

I totally agree with this too, and I think it’s a super neat observation! The colored lights were likely chosen more based around the spirits’ stories instead of what they did with them after the quests; it would make lots of sense. I also think there is something to be speculated at where Warrior and Seed’s colored lights match their elders’ while Miner’s and Wayfarer’s don’t. It could be a coincidence, but I wonder if it’s on purpose

[halcyon abyss]

Oh, goodness. I could see how it would be like trying to piece together a puzzle with missing pieces.

I do feel like this is the first time we've seen the colored magic directly corresponding with a spirit?(I could be incorrect!) In a way that isn't through a spell from the enchanters.

Oooooh. I hadn't considered the match of elders to location is this based off the prophecy mural in where the orbs originally ended up? I wonder if it might be a glimpse of spirits who came from those respective realms and those who traveled outside of them? Lots more to ponder

[untold notch]

these lights are so silly

[sharp lichen]

Unfortunately I checked and no Some line up, like cyan and orange light, but blue and green lights are in totally different places. This makes Aurora a near-impossible season to place in the timeline- if the spirit memories all happened at the same time- and then what about the concert?

[frigid tinsel]

The concert occurred in the present depicting memories of the past

[untold notch]

I do not believe the spirit memories happened concurrently at all

[sharp lichen]

do the spirit memories at least correlate with their part in the concert?

[frigid tinsel]

I’d say so. Kinda obvious, mate

[untold notch]

probably, but those are likely expanded versions of their spirit memories (to me anyhow)

[frigid tinsel]

Arguably the spirit memories are from ancestors’ perspectives while the concert depictions are from light creatures’ perspectives

[halcyon abyss]

This is where I like to think of Aurora as a big memory shard. Each spirit lights her up with strong power orbs they represent. This was a recent theory I thought of when reliving the concert and the aura she emits to take us to the memory.

I, unfortunately, cannot remember which traveler in this chat brought up the concept of how much sheer power it would take to bring an entire concert through memories, but if she's powered by the colored magic gifted to the realms of sky, then it could power a memory shard large enough to bring sky kids through.

I Apologize if this is a jumble mess. I'm much tired. I am happy to see so much chat going on.

[sharp lichen]

||I have a tinfoil hat conspiracy theory that the concert was the season's main focus lorewise, so the quests weren't prioritized as a result.||

This season hurts my brain please hpke

[frigid tinsel]

I think you’re heavily overthinking this

[sharp lichen]

Aren't we all?

[untold notch]

are we all?

[frigid tinsel]

I mean in a way thst you’re making simple things more complex and complicated than they actually are, confusing yourself

[sharp lichen]

uhh anyways

i can't think of a good topic change so good night

||hot take: i never liked the aurora spirits' lore. It was a shoehorned Prophecy reference at best||

[untold notch]

ah yes the colored lights first established in enchantment are a prophecy reference

[frigid tinsel]

I’d say Aurora was one of the best seasons for lore, told a lot of things a lot more directly than most other seasons (even if there is much to be seen)

[sharp lichen]

Agreed, but the spirit memories were still redundant in retrospect with the Aurora concert

[untold notch]

redundant? they confirmed a lot of things that were previously just theorized

[sharp lichen]

You see no mention of the red or purple lights, only the ones seen in Prophecy

[untold notch]

it could be argued that prophecy itself starts this, not Aurora since they aren't there either

[flint bolt]

Sky lore thought:

If an adult humanoid in the Sky universe gets to a really old age, are they called Elders or grandpapy

[frigid tinsel]

They weren’t redundant. They were telling their own stories and, for players as unfamiliar with the lore versus us, they’re very informative on the kingdom’s history (migranting, mining darkstone, light creature to ancestor connections, the war)

[sharp lichen]

we see grandparent used in Sky

[sharp lichen]

What I meant was that the things covered in the spirit memories were also covered with extra stuff in the Aurora Concert. Look at green Isle, watery Forest Caves, ancestors vs mantas, and Valley's involvement in the war.

Given how much the Aurora concert was promoted and highlighted within the season, it brings into question the previous 4 quests

[frigid tinsel]

But the spirit memories came first. You could argue the concert was redundant. Really they showed similar events from different perspectives — spirit memories were from ancestors’ perspectives, concert events from light creatures’ perspectives

[sharp lichen]

It would be interesting to ask what was developed first- the concert or the memories?

[frigid tinsel]

Does it matter? Just because the events depicted are similar doesn’t mean the different perspectives are redundant. They’re different, not the same, thus show distinct details

[halcyon abyss]

Well, if we look at the engineering aspect for redundancy. Both viewpoints fit. Both memories aren't strictly necessary for the world of Sky to function, but we get multiple aspects so we can feel tru to feel intune.

If one side fails to connect with a certain audience, there are multiple instances to allow us access to try to connect.

I feel that the two have to work in tandem to exist. AURORA shows us memories before the spirits, but we wouldn't know that without the spirits. Just the way light and dark can't exist without each other.

The importance of selecting those specific colors(IMO) is that they're the original gifts to the ancestors. Red and purple are material creations.

[sharp lichen]

My theory was that the red and purple one were also gifts, they just came later

After all the original lights came from the Cave of Prophecies

[flint bolt]

Sky lore thought:

If birds are origami created by the Isle Elder, butterflies are made (or duplicated) by the Prairie Elder, the dark water is produced from Forest, and the Krills and Shadow fella are from Golden and Eden...

...

WHERE THE HECK DID MANTAS COME FROM

[untold notch]

John Manta iirc

[slate saffron]

They were revealed to me in a dream

[misty warren]

anyone have a theory on what elders do when we're not visiting

[rigid mural]

Playing Mario Kart

[ionic patrol]

hibernating like a bear

[lusty merlin]

Comes to personal preference really, we do know they can sleep seen with prarie elder yet they’re also awake seen with first and the orthers. So I can see them tying to pass the time by doing anything really. Sleep, procrastinate, imagine, I think they’d have a lot of time alone with their thoughts personally, maybe explore too

Not much you can do when stuck in limbo, unless the twins have eachother for company

[rigid mural]

Skykids bringing them toys, clay, props and other things so they don't spend eternity being bored. Maybe some even stay with them to hang out

[pastel brook]

thats REALLY deep fam

Where do Ancestors get their materials from?

[rigid mural]

Wooly mantas for their clothes

[twin osprey]

Yesterday’s shard memory’s WL showed 2 light bois hugging one another. It was just

I wonder if there’s any meaning to it lore wise. Since it took place where the huge red shard were attacking the elders. And usually WL shows only one “kiddo”

[sharp lichen]

What if Mantas always existed

[inland cliff]

sanctuary island? Wind path? Valley of triumph which is all about mantas?

[random token]

Isle elder is Kubo confirmed

[balmy spoke]

Huge red shard is the eden diamond... The two wl, not sure on it's significance
Other than, it's the eden diamond

[sharp lichen]

I mean, they could’ve originated in a a different place. We see mantas in many different places in Sky, even in the Switch Trailer

[flint bolt]

yeah but what is their origin and why do they fly.

[cold sparrow]

well, they're creatures that seem to be made of light to a large amount, much like the birds
old concept art suggests that the birds, mantas and whales might all be the same species in different stages of growth. not sure if that idea persists, but you should think of the birds and mantas not in terms of our worlds, where they would be from very different animal kingdoms (fish and birds), but at the very least related species in the animal kingdom of 'light'

and they fly for the same reason skykids fly - whatever they're made of (besides light) seems to be very light (pun not intended), and they live/survive by flying high to follow the light

[flint bolt]

damn okie thanks

[slate saffron]

I wish to strike down, violently

Prepare please

[winter shale]

I was binging Tom Zhao's art during class and oh man oh man
We were so robbed

[random token]

Slay

[flint bolt]

[keen shore]

Actually, weirdly enough, it might not be that simple. Seed’s is probably roughly the same time, since both fragments are war related, although we don’t know that for sure. For example, maybe the seed quest comes first timeline wise and then the seed concert section is a bit later when the group seed was a part of finally got overwhelmed.

However, the others are a bit harder… we don’t have any familiar spirits to appear as a quick and easy point of reference. I have a gut feeling the isle section of the concert shows a scene depicted in prophecy murals, but beyond that, no idea. The flood in forest underground is also a good clue; I’ll have to check but I think miner and their group only get darkstone from what would be above water level.

If anyone has any other ideas on how the Aurora concert timeline would work, let me know, but I don’t think just assuming it works exactly the same as the quest one without evidence is the right course here

[keen shore]

I will also say that one group of characters using the same magic as a different group isn’t a ‘shoehorned reference’ to the first group. That’s like saying prophecy is an enchantment ripoff because it talks about similar elements, or that Sunset using cyan light in the prophecy murals is a bad reference to the sanctuary guide who also uses those lights heavily. Which… doesn’t make a lot of sense, at all.

Like, if this magic existed, you’d totally find it tied into a lot of aspects of the Sky world. I think it’s weird to gatekeep it to only one season (that’s not even the OG magic season)

[untold notch]

I was gonna make a joke about my spiritsona being an enchantment reference but uh. they kinda are 🕴️

[random token]

Well my little take is that warrior of love happened prior to the war

[upbeat jasper]

if you remember the theory of the remembrance spirits fleeing to vault after the wasteland war, well what if these things were all doors that lead to different parts of wasteland?
#screenshots-and-videos message

[untold notch]

interesting... considering how the two are connected it's plausible

they could also just as well be other rooms in the temple

[untold notch]

I want to go in there so bad tgc let me in

[frigid tinsel]

Open the doors. Stop having it be closed /ref

[untold notch]

I feel like the the queen has breached containment image rn