lore-discussion-spoilers

[lusty merlin]

I got alot on my mind

[brisk python]

i love the twins sm

[indigo mist]

okay that would be so cool

[stone cargo]

hi besties!

[lusty merlin]

If the twins has a million fans i am one of them. If the twins has ten fans i am one of them. If the twins has one fan then that is me. If the twins have no fans that is because i am no more on the Earth. If the world is against the twins I am against the world. I love the twins until my last breath.

[untold notch]

I am the twins

[stone cargo]

omg tac??? love your stuff on insta! it’s always a treat to see!

[lusty merlin]

No /lh

That was mena I’m sorry astral

[untold notch]

explodes 🎉

[lusty merlin]

Aa tyty!!

[brisk python]

i am offended on behalf of somebody else !¡

[quick jasper]

valley is such a pretty realm, i think the twins may have done some terraforming in some parts ngl. i love them

[untold notch]

thinks about citadel

[lusty merlin]

YAYYAYAY

-the twins to the mountains-

[indigo mist]

Do the twins have names? I remember seeing somthing about that but i forgor 💀

[keen shore]

Thinks about how the reason they play with us is probably to cheer us up because they know we have already been through a Lot emotionally by the time we reach them

[lusty merlin]

Fannon names they do: like Samekh which is from concept art, many see as Sah and as Mekh but they also go by Sunset. Some devs refer to the elders by the time of day

[frigid tinsel]

sometimes we call them Sunset, sometimes others refer to them as Samekh from concept art, indivdiually being Sah and being Mekh

[stone cargo]

valley elders my meow meows, i shove them in my mouth

[lusty merlin]

OUGHHHH

[quick jasper]

IVE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT BEFORE. like what if some moths feel like its their job to complete the journey as soon as possible and then when in valley the twins are like. chill, and they throw you into fun races and play around

[brisk python]

I LOVE THE TWINS HHRRRR

[lusty merlin]

Thinks how the races are open to anyone imagine when competitions aren’t happening that the races can be open to the public for them to enjoy

[stone cargo]

ooh— question for the chat. mind sharing a HC you have for the twins?

[frigid tinsel]

I wrote a whole fic about mine, read it here: https://archiveofourown.org/works/40284843

[lusty merlin]

That Mekh gave Sah the crack on their mask :)

[quick jasper]

i hc what Alasdair wrote

[untold notch]

they fight like they're in a waffle house sometimes

[stone cargo]

i’ll get you i’ll get you that comic of yours made me cry

[lusty merlin]

I LOVE IR SO MUCH IRS SO GOOD IRS SO FOOD J LOVE IT RAAAAAAA

[brisk python]

just now made the hc that they act as older siblings to our moth :)

[untold notch]

skykid in the cutscene "can I get a waffle"

[quick jasper]

i think the twins like it when moths cosplay them, little guys

[indigo mist]

the twins: yeah sure one sec pauses violence to go make waffle

[stone cargo]

i like to think kakashi twin tended to play up how cool and in control they were, but if you asked them to order something from mcdonald’s they’d sob and ask their sibling do it for them

[lusty merlin]

Real I was the cashier

[untold notch]

just because they're elders doesn't mean I can't explode them with my mind if they take too long to order

be nice to your cashiers chat

[fickle wing]

i like 2 think thgat they have like the same voice n sometimes talk in unison n stuff at the same time n all

[hushed steeple]

ooo what do they prophesise though

[brisk python]

yeah please do :(
(former cashier for 3+ years)

[stone cargo]

one last silly: i think the spiky elder is often one to overthink. like, waking up their sibling at two in the morning to ask them if they still love them overthinking.

[untold notch]

(currently a cashier)

[indigo mist]

what if they had really different natural voices and just trained to sound the same that would be really really funny
and someone hears them talking normaly and is like "what"

[untold notch]

my twin and I do this thing where when someone asks us a question we'll both answer at the same time but also talk to each other while answering the person and it's very disorienting

which is to say samekh does this

[stone cargo]

putting this down here:

i like to think that ancestors that appear blue likely had very patterned, very colorful clothes— the Skykids just don’t quite focus on that.

i like to think the patterning would relate to age, job, familial relationships, and other such things. and to add onto that— i think different realms would prefer different hues, IE many citizens of the valley having warm red, orange, and yellow clothes, while those of the vault would have deep dusky blues, simple whites, and perhaps pretty greys…

[keen shore]

YES YES!! I think @half zealot would enjoy this conversation

[half zealot]

WHATI HUH HWAHRS HOLD ON I GOTTA READ

[stone cargo]

omg c bestie come here

[eternal totem]

YES

[half zealot]

CORRECT, canon because I said so

[spring python]

sorry we cant hang out, you're wearing poor people yellow

[half zealot]

CLASSISM?????!?!?!!!!!

[eternal totem]

Scrambles around, I had a similar idea

[stone cargo]

I JUST THOUGHT ITD BE A COOL REGIONAL THING 💔💔💔

like “ooh they’re wearing red— probably a valley boy. and look at the hills on their tunic… ooh, are they a racer? or maybe a miner?*”

[grim python]

i couldn’t respond for like 2 hours because I’m at school but let you’re just jealous you’ll never have my drip 😔

[eternal totem]

Can we ban this guy

[rigid mural]

DARK ART !!! still in love with this

[quick jasper]

unrelated- season trailer just dropped

[spring python]

you'll never have an ounce of my iconicity

[indigo mist]

WHERE
LEMME SEE

[eternal totem]

#news

[keen shore]

They showed the constellation for the season!! I think it’s super interesting how similar it is to Vault’s another piece of evidence for the apprentice theory maybe?

[spring python]

im more excited about the fact that we see a projector being used again

[quick jasper]

vault enjoyers are winning rn

[keen shore]

YEAH and projecting a person … oh this is gonna be heartbreaking
Memory lantern season!!

[spring python]

Also apprentice theory? /gen

[rigid mural]

rotating you with my mind (positive)

[keen shore]

Vela’s theory that the guide was Night’s apprentice and graduated! Hence why they have a graduation stole patterned similar to Night’s also, kinda like how Flight guide has clothes similar to Day’s for the same reason!

[quick jasper]

i just remembered- i think i saw some people talk about people hiding in vault during the war? like a while ago. and that area does look kinda “hidden” and torn up so

[keen shore]

Yeah! The introduction notes implies the remembrance spirits are war refugees, let me see if I can find it

[rigid mural]

from the teaser

[spring python]

oh that makes sense

[grim python]

I’ve seen like 10 different people who look exactly like you ever since yeti ts

[spring python]

"you can't outdo the doer" the doer in this case is me

[rigid mural]

HELP

[keen shore]

Season symbol reveal…

[rigid mural]

LESSGOOO

[frigid tinsel]

WE SKNPEN A MEMORYCIVE

[spring python]

Also bold of u to call me copycat, who was the one dresses like a skytuber not less than a season ago

[tepid veldt]

they are such a silly i love them

[keen shore]

``Signs of the kingdom’s upheaval echo in the ruins you’ve seen while venturing through Sky. With Remembrance, we wanted to link these signs scattered throughout Golden Wasteland and prior Seasons to reveal more about a critical era in the kingdom’s history—one that has only been hinted at until now. Season of Remembrance returns to more intimate storytelling within the Vault of Knowledge, where four new Spirits have found shelter from the upheaval disrupting their lives in the kingdom they had known.

Through Seasonal Quests, Spirits share both their own emotional experiences of the turmoil in the kingdom, and memories of the tangible objects that connect them to what they lost. As a new element for this Season, help each Spirit by creating a Shared Space for them, so they can take their first steps to start anew. Create the Space using your own ideas, or visit Spaces created by other players to gather inspiration!``

Yaaaaa

[lusty merlin]

I SWEAR TO GOD IF THAT SPIRIT IS THAT ANCESTORS DEAD FAMILY MEMBER I EILL CRY

[raw crypt]

I WANT TO JNOW EVERYTHING ABT THIS GEEZER

[lusty merlin]

Omg what is the lil bells implied they were a chimesmith

Its a stretch but

[rigid mural]

[grim python]

counterpoint: you’re short

[frigid tinsel]

We open a memory cube omgomgomg

[spring python]

IM WEARING A CHIBI MASK

[eternal totem]

Silence

[rigid mural]

amander w

[lusty merlin]

SAME BRAIN!!!!!!

[keen shore]

Yeah and it’s a projection of a person SOBS

[lusty merlin]

GOD IM NOR READY BUT I AM AAAAAA

[rigid mural]

If Remembrance has million fans, then I'm one of them.
If Remembrance has one fan, then I'm THAT ONE.
If Remembrance has no fans, that means I'm dead.

[quick jasper]

the music in the trailer is not helping in the Not Crying situation

[lusty merlin]

REAL

SAME CRIMSION THE INTO MADE ME:

[keen shore]

BASED. If the world is against remembrance than I am against the world

[halcyon abyss]

REMEMBER AURORA SAID IT'S OKAY TO CRY

[rigid mural]

The music is SO GOOD i fell in love when they added it in Beta, trust me you will be sitting here taking the new area in

[lusty merlin]

Oughhh

[quick jasper]

beta tester who knows how it goes: omg guys what will happen
( this is me i just like the hype with everyone else )

[lusty merlin]

I’m so excited and scared cuz I’m not in beta (I like to be surprised)

[raw crypt]

this is sortabthe vibe i got! or that the bells remind them of that person, i didnt get the vibe that person was literally there but a memory of them bc rememberance BUT ITS HARD TO SAY

[frigid tinsel]

Screaming crying passing out on the floor oh my gods

[keen shore]

Like the memory lanterns were projecting thrm?

[lusty merlin]

Oh my gof what if the memory lantern shows the ancestor a friend from their past cuz of how they reacted

[raw crypt]

maybe!

and YEAH, they were so shocked and i just OUGHHGH smth happened here…

[quick jasper]

season of sobbing and crying

[lusty merlin]

also they’re projecting the vault diamond for the elevator in the trailer

[hexed saddle]

imagining the sky kids would be the reincarnation of the inhabitants who disappeared after being destroyed by the darkness which absorbed all their light, that's why before there was no sky kid may be
but suddenly who is the first sky kid and why is he so powerful?)

[lusty merlin]

Hmm not really sure If they were powerful to begin with, maybe more of being chosen, also for clarifying are you suggesting skykids are reincarnation of ancestors?

[hexed saddle]

yes I am for it to be a chosen one with the prophecy and everything, I mean the reincarnation of the former inhabitants of the celestial lands

I wonder if the celestial lands of sky were inhabited before or after there were sky kids

[frigid tinsel]

the ancestors, before they were spirits, inhabited the Sky kingdom, yea

[hexed saddle]

so they was really able to manipulate the magic of light before, they are not beings of light but still natural beings with. you will notice that there are three type of boat in sky: the very first just before it colonized the sky land, those improve with the transport of goods across the kingdom (in path wind cinematic or in sanctuary) and the all new ones of our time that still work

[frigid tinsel]

I mean this sincerely, are you using a translator?

[hexed saddle]

yeh 😂

[frigid tinsel]

ah okay, your messages are a little fumbly to understand but still decipherable

[rigid mural]

I know someone was looking out for types of boats at some point
Turns out that the one at the bottom of the trench in the Sanctuary Islands and the one in the Eden social area match !

[hexed saddle]

exactly which makes it possible to situate the eras, that's what there are everywhere

(it was may be me lol i ask once, I wanted to know their road to Eden)

so since they have a part of lightlights in them, their soul can be seen that their spirit (made of light) this manifest on land in the form of memory but can she be sucked into the darkness? it would be their way to die and return to megabird, once their inner light is extinguished

the sky kid them what is strange is that the light of the sky kid is very resistant, only the broken diamond of eden can "kill" them before the king of sky comes to reanimate them in the the dark room

[untold notch]

hi thatgamecompany YouTube
the war
ok

[nocturne sonnet]

Had a thought.
I'm sure this isn't original but the eye of a storm is the part where everything is calm while the storm rages on outside
So, by that logic, is Eden the rest of sky?
Are sky's kingdoms paradise?
And if so, what does that mean for the rest of the world? Is the rest of the world similar to Eye of Eden and its shard events? Is our little paradise some sort of storm that's destroying what the world ought to be like?

[grim python]

beta players reading all these predictions

[novel marten]

Also I wonder if this guy has just been trapped in the walls for like 3 years

[hexed saddle]

I think the storm is mostly an image, it's not really a weather storm but an unstable diamond that sucks up light infinitely and explodes because of it, I think that the kingdom of sky is a celestial world created by megabird/god of light/aurora idk which was torn from the earth and floats in the sky thanks to the light it inhabits but since the diamond sucks the light from the kingdom and threatens to collapse it, the sky king lets it suck his huge amount of lights to maintain the kingdom and counts on the sky kids to bring back the stars/shiny boy in the sky(space)
Sky kingdom like we seen in aurora concert is a place for the inhabitants of the earth where they can escape the suffering of the world and live peacefully but it's not paradise, paradise would rather be space where the spirits, god of light and spirits lives

(it's just my point of view)

[hexed saddle]

I have no idea what happens outside the kingdom we just know that people came from the outside world by boat (it seem that the hill at the beginning could have a far and that the coast looks like a port) we see with the first mind that sky kingdom is like a utopia for people. i don't think the diamond is wearing it to reach the whole world so no idea

[frigid tinsel]

since the season is still unreleased, that should stay in #beta-discussion

[snow loom]

Apologies! I’ll move!

[brisk python]

i'm sorry to ask but does someone have the poem for the elder memory from shattering? i'm at that memory right now trying to interpret what happened, like if the elders got killed in the explosion of the diamond they had something to do with (also please forgive me if this is common knowledge, i'm a relatively new player still :\ )

also i wonder why on top of the shard in the memory there's two winged lights hugging each other

[keen shore]

all the shattering memories are in this channel’s pins!

[brisk python]

@sharp lichen can you please not cold dm me? even if it relates to the lore question i asked? /lh

[brisk python]

thanks salem

[keen shore]

no problem! Slink is the one who compiled them, they’re the one you should be thanking!! 💛

[white junco]

what a lovely season trailer, i hope nothing tragic happened to these spirits

[brisk python]

DON'T JYNX IT

[white junco]

teehee

[keen shore]

The War

[white junco]

ok

[brisk python]

i want to hold all of the spirits gentle like hamburger

[shrewd zenith]

Wait- what do they mean with "Unseen Fractures Crumble In The Chasm"??? Do they mean like, fractures in the diamond??? Or is more like, fractures in perhaps the m soul/mentality of the Eden Elder/corruption

[keen shore]

fractures in the diamond, and/or fractures in the elders relationships with one another. There’s no evidence of the second event you’re talking about happening in the current iteration of the game

[brisk python]

omg fractures in the elders' relationships with one another sounds so intense

[keen shore]

It’s my favorite interpretation personally. I’d imagine that, at the very least because of The War, some of them distrusted each other quite a bit. I envision them as being super tense due to being near each other the entire time they were walking up to the diamond. But then it exploded and suddenly that didn’t matter anymore

[brisk python]

and the war is speculated to be over the whole darkstone thing, right?

[frigid tinsel]

Darkstone technology, the pollution it created, and the exploitation it required

[shrewd zenith]

Yes but the "unseen" part specifically tickles something with me, as it implies that whatever resulted in the whole disaster happened unexpectedly from at least someones perspective. It implies inherent instability in the diamond itself, pointing to a structural weakness which might have been part of the reason for the Eden Explosion

Its a terrible, bad bad idea to have a structurally unsound battery of any kind, its very dangerous because of the energy stored in there

[frigid tinsel]

“Unseen”could be referring to the Elders’ relationships with each other cos something metaphysical like that isn’t tangible nor easily seen like a broken diamond

[spring python]

Personally I think it’s a sort of “overload”: the darkstone receives too much light and goes into an active state, like a circuit receiving higher voltage but with higher stakes. But it’s a really circunstancial theory

[keen shore]

Again, the unseen fractures in the Eden Diamond definitely works as an interpretation also. It also implies really interesting things like, the diamond’s production was rushed and there wasn’t time to check it over hence why this happened in the first place

[frigid tinsel]

I think it could be both but either do work: broken bonds or broken diamond? Broken structures in both the Elders and Eden could not be immediately evident to an outside viewer

[snow cosmos]

i remember when it came out my initial interpretation was similar to yours, that microscopic fissures or flaws in the diamond - potentially paralleling the faults in the Elders' relationships - had gone unnoticed until, under the strain of... everything, really... they suddenly started to show - but by then it was too late

i need to revisit my thoughts on the whole deal, i haven't spent a lot of time on them since the end of the season

[topaz minnow]

IS UR NAME JYNX??? OH MY GOD

[brisk python]

no my name is vanya

[topaz minnow]

LOLLLL i just had a conversation the other day abt how my friends can't say jinx anymore cuz my name is Jynx 😭 they always say "ur jynxing" it

[round parrot]

Nice to see that plushies (manta-shaped in particular) exist (I may or may not have heard of/seen/remembered any other plushies ingame)
At least the ancestors are getting something good after.. what happened looks at Eden

[winter monolith]

new season trailer got me so excited!!! i’m already in love with the music and i can’t wait for whatever bits of lore we get

[wicked prairie]

oooh this scene reminded me of those big memory lanterns (?) projecting the aurora concert

[frigid tinsel]

[snow cosmos]

i am vibrating with excitement over finally getting to see memory lanterns in action!!! cannot wait to see how they work and what they can do >:3

[round parrot]

Hmm..
Memory cubes may be functional when projected to a diamond to present the memories within. Without the diamond it is just a beam of light (unless that is the objective, similar to the concert's memory cube stage lights)

[snow cosmos]

my headcanon prior to now is that they operate kind of like holocrons from star wars, requiring whoever is trying to open them to manipulate their light in a particular way to unlock the seal and allow them to activate. i'm really excited to see how close or how far off my idea was!

[snow cosmos]

so you're thinking they're kind of like projectors irl, with a diamond acting like the screen images are displayed on?

[round parrot]

Yeah sort of like that

[snow cosmos]

neat, that could definitely be it :3 i sorta got the impression that the diamond was being projected by the memory lantern, with maybe a scene playing out within it like an animated snowglobe? but i like this idea too!

[marsh rivet]

hey lorechat do skykids sleep. like not out of physical need maybe just out of the !! nice feeling of eepy

[shrewd zenith]

When you idle for too long yes!

[round parrot]

Skykids also snore

[frigid tinsel]

skykids probably don't need to sleep but they could to pass the time or if they doze off bored. even though they don't need it, I'd imagine they feel better, even well-rested, upon waking up

[cunning umbra]

hey lore chat one of my friends asked me to do a powerpoint presentation on sky lore.

[snow cosmos]

best of luck /gen

[frigid tinsel]

godspeed

[uncut pond]

You're doomed

[round parrot]

Don't loose too many braincells (if you still have braincells that is)

[cunning umbra]

hahaha i have enough braincells i just need to actually organize it! (also it's probly gonna be long)

[round parrot]

And very confusing, best of luck

[hushed steeple]

Has anyone figured what’s up with the different colored masks? Why do some have lighter and others have darker? Not counting performance masks because they’re wildly different compared to normal ones.

I sorta wonder if it’s either a realm thing or a time thing. Light before the war, dark after the war

[cunning umbra]

i think i remember hearing that animal masks were a sign of great skill at something though i think the only confirmed one is that bird mask=skilled performer. other then that i don't know

[hushed steeple]

Interesting. Then I would assume other mask decorations would also have some sort of significance

I also wonder why some in the Vault & Valley don’t wear masks at all. Or rather, why everyone else does. Is it a cultural thing? Do the materials in the realms determine the color of the masks? So many questions 😫

[pastel brook]

Do you think light creatures are scaled? 🤔

[cunning umbra]

many of the vault spirits wear a tall hat like thing that likely has something to do with their status as scholars. even some of the past season spirits who are in vault have it like the wise grandparent and the shushing scholar. we can get something similar to it from one of the spirits

[keen shore]

Pretty much, yeah! Confirmed via dev messages (ty Ash)

1. #lore-discussion-spoilers message - animal masks relate to the jobs those spirits would have had. Performers being kinds of birds is especially common
2. #lore-discussion-spoilers message - apprentices or students in a job using animal masks only have half-formed masks. They’ll get a full mask once they ‘graduate’

I don’t know if it means great skill so much as fully fledged in their occupation, though

[frigid tinsel]

Ash, one of the devs, said that animal masks entail certain jobs. they've also said that Rhythm guide had what could be said was a basic civilian mask. it's already been pointed out that Vault scholar's tall headdresses might pertain to their skill or academic status.

presumably we could could assume some flat masks are colored a certain way because of job, seeing that the lightseekers all have blue on white masks, and spirits with black and brown masks may not have a job, if any, that's significant enough to change the color of their masks. given that brown and black are the most common masks, I think they're that color due to the material they're made of.

[round parrot]

I think it varies from light-creature to light-creature
If you count Skykids as light creatures, they aren't scaly (hopefully)
Birds are definitely not scaly, but feathery (something something bird anatomy)
Mantas I am not sure
Underwater light creatures, I believe that they are the ones who have scales (something something fish anatomy)

[frigid tinsel]

there's been a theory that ancestors with headdresses that match the Elder, like Dawn's boat mast to Rejecting Voyager, could've been apprentices, representatives, or at least in close proximity to Elders

[round parrot]

Speaking of underwater light creatures
Why can't the turtle recharge light? Technical complications?

[hushed steeple]

I was thinking it was something like that

[round parrot]

Hey just a side note
Please don't ping Alasdair, it is said in their nickname

[hushed steeple]

Ah didn’t realize replying was pinging 😬

[round parrot]

There is an option to turn off pings while replying - hint, look at the very right of the box when replying

[frigid tinsel]

the turtle does emit green light every couple of hours. though as for why it doesn't passively recharge us like other birds and mantas could be the same reason whales and elder mantas don't – technical things, maybe. speculation though. I assume it's supposed to be a light creature that can exchange light mutually with us. or, perhaps cos of its shell, the turtle can't share light as freely as birds and mantas.

[cunning umbra]

the flight guide is the apprentice to the prairie elder though, that was one of the random fun facts about them when they were teasing that season. #news message

[keen shore]

I’ve always wondered if there’s a specific reason why most ancestors wear masks; there’s the very good point that maybe it’s just Something they Do, but part of me still wonders if there’s a connection within the world somewhere. My best guess, though, is that it’s a neat worldbuilding detail tossed in both to make the world feel more unique and also to make it so that the devs wouldn’t have to worry about attempting to render detailed faces on a mobile device

As for maskless ancestors, I noticed that they seem to be most common in Valley athletes, although they’re scattered throughout the realms. They might just be the result of spirits who temporarily took off their masks so they could breathe better while doing strenuous activity

[frigid tinsel]

yea, I know, I was there when those cards dropped. though the line is that Flight guide is the former apprentice to Day Elder, so the mask thing could be a difference between an active apprentice and an former one, who would no longer wear their Elder's mask.

[round parrot]

Wonder what Flight Guide did to be a "former" apprentice of Day

[cunning umbra]

i assumed it was worded like that since the spirits and the elders are no longer alive though that is kind of dark

[keen shore]

Could just have graduated! We aren’t sure…
edit: or died

[frigid tinsel]

they could've parted on good terms. I'd imagine by establishing the Wind Paths, Flight guide gained Day Elder's blessing to make it.

[round parrot]

Ohh and here I thought they kidnapped a bunch of light creatures and Day fired them from their realm or something like that

[untold notch]

flight guide releasing 1948353 birds into forest temple

[frigid tinsel]

yea I can see that

[keen shore]

There is one possibility for why they might’ve left on bad terms, though.

I can get really deep into explaining all the evidence and symbolism behind this because it’s a Lot, but Day is heavily implied to dislike the darkstone industry but never takes a firm stance against it — in fact, they support it by supplying some of the creatures whose deaths were necessary to charge darkstone. Compare that to Flight guide, who quite obviously abhors darkstone so much that not a single piece of it is allowed in the wind paths — they even got builder to make a kind of boat that didn’t require it at all! — and you can see where the split might have occured

[untold notch]

in which inaction is its own form of violence

[keen shore]

Yeah!!

[untold notch]

why do they go to forest tho

[frigid tinsel]

there was a theory during the season that by establishing the wind paths, Flight guide would make a route for migratory light creatures to circumvent Forest and evade capture for refineries

[keen shore]

Multiple possible reasons for that;

1. what alasdair stated above
2. they’re from forest and so it’s the realm they most wanted to help out. Forest is absolutely messed up from darkstone mining and production, so it’d make sense that growing up surrounded by that would fuel an intense passion to change it.
3. The wind paths connected to all realms and so was the most convenient location for them to do what they wanted to do

There’s a lot of explanations you can pick that would make sense, so it honestly just depends on what you want

[crystal scroll]

That makes sense

[frigid tinsel]

thanks but please don't ping me /nm

[cunning umbra]

i've been wondering this for a while but what exactly is mega bird and where does that name come from? i know that they are like the god of the sky world or the source of all the light but i have no idea where that theory comes from.

[frigid tinsel]

Megabird is the so-called god of Sky, may or may not be analogous to the Light, a huge amalgamation of light and light beings in space, hardly seen in game aside from when descending from Orbit after the end credits (first image). the name Megabird comes from Tom Zhao's concept art (second image) who depicts Megabird as light itself.

a lot of how you could characterize Megabird is really up to you since Megabird is rather hands-off in-game as far as we can tell. a lot think Aurora's voice singing during ascension, Orbit, the end credits, and upon entering Isle is Megabird's voice but that's also debatable.

[cunning umbra]

that's actually pretty interesting! where can i find more of the concept art? (not just of mega bird)

[frigid tinsel]

Zhao's concept art is found on his website here: https://www.tomzhao.com/sky1
other concept art, like from other developers or for seasons, are scattered across the Internet, you can find some under thatskygame.com news releases.

[crystal scroll]

Sorry I only just saw your name haha won’t happen again

[glass garden]

I'm not sure if this is lore but it's a theory??? It's not exactly a theory that affects much in the way of lore but I was thinking, what if skykids are just little unicellular organisms? Like, it doesn't seem like they have mouths or noses, and whether or not they have eyes is debatable, since even if they do have eyes, they seem to always be closed. But we see them eat, how do they do that?
I think like unicellular organisms, they'd just absorb their sustenance through their cell wall (the cell wall being the exterior of the skid) they also absorb the winged light in order to make themselves stronger, essentially, much like a cell absorbing another smaller cell.
Also! They group together (holding hands/piggybacking) like social amoebas! Like, a bunch of them group together to make one larger multicelled organism. :]

It's kinda a silly goofy little idea.

[gleaming wasp]

wait i kinda love this.. single celled organisms not a single thought in their brain <3 kinda explains why theyre all the same at the base ? i guess idk what im saying TwT also forgive my memory coz its been forever since ive played but when have we seen sky kids eat? :o /genq

[pastel brook]

Are you a pea? Cause you're the only vitamin I C 🟢

[round parrot]

Skykids don't (necessarily) eat, they just absorb light/food

[glass garden]

They slurp marshmallows into their faces

[crystal scroll]

Y’all have ruined sky kids for me 😂 scary 😆

[half zealot]

Omg…

[shrewd zenith]

I think its interesting that the Performance Guide and the Rhythm Guide are twins, as it implies that the Ancestors had familial structures. Did they then also have parents? Cousins?

[cold sparrow]

there is one spirit in the ice rink that is shown with a smaller one, which looks a lot like a parent and their kid or bigger and younger sibling
in the runaway spirit memory you can see what is most surely a mother and her child
I'm not sure of in season of dreams, the guide is meant to be the mother of or the grown up skater herself

[pastel brook]

A "moth" is a new player. They have brown wings, they flap around uncontrollably, and they are drawn to flame!

[cold sparrow]

oh, and the new season's art also shows what seems to be a mother and her child

so they most definitely had families

[crystal scroll]

Didn’t one lose their kids ?

See this implies they had families pleaful parent

Sorry I wrote pleading instead of pleaful I confused with those words lmao

[hidden vessel]

aight so, hello lore chat i dont come here often but i was thinking: if this broken building is intentional and jts been floating like that forever, and orrery originally makes us sky kids fly high easily . Then there must be a less-gravity thing going on in this area right ….

Any lore or explanation for this? Such as it’s actually an area really high up in the clouds higher than the rest of valley? Or som gravity bending thing idk science 😳

[rustic glen]

My theory for that is that as seen in the cave of prophecy murals, valley got the element of air so their buildings could float. Also I believe that the citadel grants us light by just being there because of it's many gold circle thingies, I believe they are some sort of mechanisms that channel the light of the sun so the light creatures in the area can fly continuously, probably used in the manta races from the Warrior of love memory

Also I know that other areas have the same feature as the citadel, where you gradually recharge light by being in the area. rn I can just remember Bird Nest in praire, and I believe that happens there because of the many birds and light creatures in the place but I'm not sure. If you remember any other areas with this feature pls let me know

[lucid egret]

Wind paths!

[round parrot]

Orbit?

[crystal scroll]

What realms got the other elements?

[crystal scroll]

Hmm that’s interesting they don’t have any visible scales from what I have seen apart from big whale they kind of look like very very delicate flesh to me with those little gold armoured bits

[rustic glen]

Praire got earth, forest water and wasteland fire

[crystal scroll]

See the whales kind of looks like they has scales and the sky whales head looks armoured but why not gold like the other creatures?

[crystal scroll]

Oh I see that’s intriguing 🧐 wasteland doesn’t have much fire from what I have seen maybe because it’s polluted XD are you aware of how it became polluted? I have read that it was mining and stuff but I have only just got into the lore I always thought it would be boring but nope I absolutely love it

[rustic glen]

From the murals in cave of prophecies I think they use the fire for the warfare, you cin the murals the towers you see around wasteland with a red dot at the top, probably because they shooted fire or something, as seen in the concept art

[cold sparrow]

that would line up with the falling/exploding light we can see in the Aurora concert in the battlefield

[rustic glen]

About the polution in wasteland, it's pretty much darkness because it drains our light.

What I'm about to say now is kinda obscure so be warned. It's pretty much confirmed that the ancestors used light creatures to power up the power diamonds (the blue diamonds that we use to open doors and activate mechanisms).

To do so they needed light to turn on the diamonds, just like we use our candles, so they used the light from light creatures killing them in machines, taking just their light and leaving behind the remains. The facilities where they did this are in the temple of Forest (where they also mined diamonds) and the sunken lab in Abyss (where they trapped light creatures). Also Wasteland is a whole factory and the same machinery seen in Forest can be seen where the first krill is, but it's broken. All the pipelines were probably used to filtrate the remains of drain light creatures, aka the black goo, contaminating the water.

It's also theorised that the rain in Forest is contaminated because of this, maybe the darkness liquid remains of the light creatures evaporated and became rain

[crystal scroll]

Do you think maybe that the creatures of dark like krill and crabs are the remains of the creatures of the light manifested into something dark to take revenge because they have no light left in them they aren’t joyful just vengeful and that’s why the krill’s light doesn’t recharge my cape

[rustic glen]

My personal theory about krills is that they are some sort of biological weapon that the ancestors created to hunt light creatures. Their "eye" is a power diamond (they share the same blue color, and it turns red just like power diamond when they are overcharged), and they were originally created maybe from remains of other light creatures.

About crabs, they are a mystery sjakndksbs

[round parrot]

Rabies

Also aren't krills confirmed to be corrupted? Idk just asking

[cunning umbra]

my theory about the crabs is that they are corrupted by pollution since the only crabs that attack you are covered in black ash similar to what falls off of the krill. friendly crabs don't have that

[crystal scroll]

Heyyy that actually makes sense

[crystal scroll]

Would actually love to see a non corrupted krill flying around maybe IN A future season MAYBEEE

[round parrot]

TGC did say time will tell

[crystal scroll]

That actually makes sense

[crystal scroll]

Do you have somewhere I can read about that I wanna see too hahaha

[native prawn]

What if the whales are krills before they were corrupted

[halcyon hull]

Or just because of nothing

[flint bolt]

Wowza, that's a popular one.

[pastel forum]

WHY DOES THIS EXIST.

[round parrot]

Experiments, probably idk

[south depot]

I always thought the fluffy worm thing was an uncorrupted krill. Like the one from the forest cave

[austere bridge]

That thing in the abyss area is the mega krill.

What it’s called however, varies from person to person.

[south depot]

His name is Henry /headcanon

[untold notch]

the whale?

[cold sparrow]

honestly, that thing looks like something inbetween a whale and krill
might be a corrupted whale before it desiccated and turned into a krill?
or perhaps this is what corrupted whales actually look like and the krill are something else

[pastel forum]

Resident evil x sky lookin fella

[pastel forum]

I like that theory idk what else it could be maybe theres different whale species that have different corruption looks

[flint bolt]

nah, that big fellas name is GEORGE

or horhay

[restive moth]

Can someone help explain how Tsadi's name got mistranslated as Caleb long before?

[untold notch]

where/when was this? it's definitely something before my time so I don't know about it

[restive moth]

I don't know, but I vaguely remember someone telling me that this was back when the fandom started getting the names of the elders from the concept art, and oddly somehow Tsadi's name got turned into Caleb and Daleth's name got turned into Alef (and the Twin Elder names confusion)

We have all these Hebrew letters and suddenly there's a Caleb pff

You can try searching on google too, some old search results as "Caleb elder hair sky" and so on

[untold notch]

hm... my best guess is that it's just jank with language of origin vs. language of use

[spark island]

Dunno if you can see this but it's the table behind the 4 player door on the first level (candle cake underneath the table).

The chair at the top has been knocked over whereas the other chairs are upright. Maybe each chair represents an elder as there are 6 realms and 6 chairs. So either 1 elder disagreed with the others and stood up to walk away and knocked over the chair?

Let me know your theories 🙂

[snow loom]

Rip the twin that wasn’t invited

[snow loom]

On a more serious note, do you have any particular leaning on who you think it was?

[austere bridge]

maybe the twins weren’t always 2

[snow loom]

I mean there’s also the idea that it’s just symbolic

[austere bridge]

dawn, they’re the only one not on the Eden portal

[snow loom]

I think that’s a remnant of older builds or something? Or I made that up idk tbh

[serene fog]

I like this, i visiting it when i have nothing to do and swim with him:"D

[snow loom]

Comically large beast

[pastel forum]

HE SCARED ME SO BAD

[serene fog]

I scared my friend as hell , friend was screaming when he appeared😭

[cunning umbra]

hey can someone explain the thing about the prince and the king? I know the king is supposed to be the figure in murals and stuff that has a bit of a star shape on their head and they might be the figure in the eden constellation. but how do we know that? also who is the prince? i don't get that

[untold notch]

the prince and king only really appear in concept art iirc

[frigid tinsel]

The Elders (plus the king & prince) have names based off Hebrew letters from concept development that are no longer canon, though the fandom sometimes refers to them as such: 

Isle – Daleth (ד) 

Prairie – Ayin (ע) 

Forest – Teth (ט) 

Valley – Samekh (ס) (they share a name, though the fandom refers to as Sah and as Mekh) 

Wasteland – Tsadi (צ) 

Vault – Lamed (ל) 

Prince – Alef (א) 

King – Resh (ר)

Though it seems the devs refer to the Elders by the times of day their realms represent: 

Isle – Dawn 

Prairie – Day

Forest – Rain 

Valley – Sunset 

Wasteland – Dusk 

Vault – Night
Eden — Storm

[untold notch]

this doesn't really say anything about where Caleb would've came from tho

[keen shore]

I’ve never heard of the mistranslation, and the idea of Dusk’s name being Caleb is killing me. Thank you so much for this

[lusty merlin]

Ah yes: Dawn, Day, Rain, Sunset, Caleb, and Night

[keen shore]

Looking it up, I see that they’ve been called Caleb a few times here, in 2019-2020. I’m not sure where that came from, though, and I don’t have much time now to track it down

[lusty merlin]

You are freaking elders of your realms, plus… Caleb /ref

[remote skiff]

concept art link: https://www.tomzhao.com/sky1

[lusty merlin]

This is so funny to me just— Caleb

You got all the other fannon and concept names and somehow Caleb

This is bringing me back when Alef and Daleth are used for Samekh somhow

[keen shore]

Coincidentally, when I looked up Caleb here, those names were listed for Sunset too? Seems like the same mistranslation happened there

[lusty merlin]

Are they ALL Caleb? Is this the piece of puzzle we’ve been missing? Their true name? /j

[keen shore]

Caleb…

[untold notch]

maybe the real Caleb was the friends we made along the way

[lusty merlin]

Aw it does fit with dusk tho imo

I see dusk as a very loyal person, puts themselves second always

[mossy vigil]

I've looked through MANY concept art pieces on Tom Zhao's website, and I can explain the prince thing! The prince and the king are the same person, but the prince became corrupted likely due to dark stone (aka what the eden crystal is made out of I'm pretty sure)

[untold notch]

it is worth noting that concept art is not necessarily canon to the game of sky and so theories based only on concept art may not have much of any traction

[mossy vigil]

Yes! That's true, but it's all we have to go off of right now. I'm not saying it's right, but it's something at least.

[raw crypt]

It’s often thought that the prince and king could be the same person, just at different points in time; With theories that the prince is the child present in stargazers memory, and in the Prophecy murals, but it’s hard too say anything concrete about them though due to their mystery and ambiguity, it’s commonly thought that they are the figure present in the eden mural and constellation through concept art and the fact there’s no one else like them character design wise, leading people to connect the two, i put a lot of think/theory bc they’re very ambiguous since tgc plays coy with them, shattering q6 may include them/has their imagery but it’s very abstract so it’s hard to say

[remote skiff]

yeah, there's some stuff that definitely made it to the end product and a lot more that didn't. i'm curious as to how much concept stuff could be reincorporated as time goes on

concept art backstory timeline
https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5cf9836e9d1c5200018df596/1582059389689-8VVFCJVTZVFNN20KLTL6/133b_Sky.jpg

a good chunk of this did not make it into the game. but this explains the role the prince/king would've played

[lusty merlin]

Yaya, it’s interesting to look of what sky could’ve been, and while some things do make it into the game from previous concept art nothing is confirmed. Outside concept art there’s no much stuff to off of

Like the wasteland turrets, in my hc I believe it can happen but without any cues from the game it’s really only wishful thinking and speculation

[remote skiff]

what i want to know is:

if the prince/king is absent from the game in the concept art form, why do we still have the king's silhouette/motif so omnipresent in the architecture of sky? is it just residual, or does it mean something?

[lusty merlin]

Could be remnants of history, like exploring ancient city’s and seeing statues of figures you aren’t quite sure of. Sure it’s possible they could’ve existed and played a big role, but to our sky-kids with no knowledge they’re just a figure

[remote skiff]

and this relief for the concept art of isle temple didn't change in the end...

idk i feel like the king is still out there somehow but we haven't gotten anything beyond pointy icons.

[raw crypt]

I think with shattering quest 6 being any indication, they might be long gone which is why they’re only present in imagery and not exactly in person normally like the other elders

when will they come back from the horrors

we might get more of them from the upcoming animation project of when they were younger, but a lot of that is up in the air (when will the animation project come back from ?????)

[lusty merlin]

I agree, to me they’re role could’ve been important sure, if the eden mural gave some clues but I’m still unsure if it’s them. But we only have a vague understanding of them in cannon I feel like it’ll stay that way for a long time

If we do get more content I feel like it won’t be a sole focus in them, as sky tends to tell the story’s of many ancestors all at once and the history of it. Every quest never focuses on one individual fully, it’s told alongside others if that makes sence

[snow loom]

Do you think the king/prince would be friends with the beast in the abyss

[lusty merlin]

Pure headcannon but i can see them having a fascination with all the creatures, like I think deep sea creatures are cool. Wouldn’t say their friends tho since there’s no hints of that even being the case

Just some lad who likes creatures really

[raw crypt]

prince vc: what a weird dog

[lusty merlin]

Ah yes, me and this weird 50ft dog

[snow loom]

No more bringing the dog to dinner

[heavy obsidian]

@scarlet forge did ya look here? 😊

[marble lynx]

In Asian sky fandoms, Alef is Sah, Daleth is Mek

[fierce adder]

Seeing these prairie butterflies jar in forest arts kinda odd to me, any ideas? ||im interested in y’all lore and I cannot make good lores lol 😔 ||

[topaz minnow]

maybe they were shipping the butterflies across lands to help with light energy? since u can hold and release a call to have the butterflies boost you, maybe this is how they got all across the map

[untold notch]

they could have been transporting them to refineries to be turned into darkstone as well

[sturdy wyvern]

I doubt that the ancestors could boost with the butterflies. If they could, then we probably would have seen them make use of that more. It seems that that’s a ability unique to skykids.

[topaz minnow]

fair🤔 but some ancestors have wings like sky kids do

[untold notch]

they have capes, the fact that they have a wing might just be spaghetti code

[lucid egret]

I think it is a bug, since spirits that didn’t have a wing previously now have a wing. The little Prince has a wing, when during his season through to abyss, I believe he didn’t have a wing

[crude flame]

Yes, the spirits didn’t always have a wing like they do now, and we’ve yet to see them actually use their capes to fly, so it’s possible that they’re simply decorative for them instead
They also seem to use light creatures for transport, as if flight isn’t an option for themselves

[topaz minnow]

ohhh i see

[ancient abyss]

Also that spirit in Aurora that slipped off a manta and fell like a rock despite having a cape implies they can't fly with it

[fierce adder]

I mean, all of the spirits with cape I saw had 1 wing light
But grandma had 5 buffs (I 4 of them were used or maybe all )

[lusty merlin]

Still a bug, probably even more spaghetti code

[topaz minnow]

i mean despite the fact that it could just be a bug theres also spirits that offer their capes like the teal one and the purple one in the forest 🤔 maybe they didn't use the butterflies cause i doubt they had winged light but maybe they used their wings to glide from place to place

[untold notch]

I think they were capes in the literal sense to the spirits

[topaz minnow]

yeah ^^ plus the transition from hidden forest to valley is one of just gliding

[frigid tinsel]

For us. Ancestors could’ve used boats

[keen shore]

I think their favorite light creature would be birds (logs off and refuses to elaborate)

[untold notch]

I might've phrased this poorly - I was going to say they were more like cloaks

[lusty merlin]

I think that’s just result of the clouds covering the other land so skykids wouldn’t get confused on where to go, the jump off from prarie social space has a few spikes of buildings popping up and I just think a lot of the kingdom is hidden by the cloirs

Plus areas like wind paths used to be hidden but they aren’t anymore

[crude flame]

Just the thought of what things could be lurking beneath or beyond the clouds is so fascinating to imagine though

[lusty merlin]

I think Alasdair suggested that the clouds could’ve been from eden exploding, which I think checks out as.

He also pointed out that during shattering we didn’t get a new seasonal area until remembrance which could be since the mountain got unstable, doing mini explosions and pushing the clouds back

[frigid tinsel]

We know whales can traverse through the clouds like the one that appears in Forest Caverns, between Valley Elder(s) temple and Wasteland social space, and during ascension

[lusty merlin]

Ya I think for skykids they’re just lighter than clouds for how they can fly and float instead of falling quickly hence maybe why they can’t pass through fully, maybe for ancestors clouds are just what clouds are to us

[frigid tinsel]

Oh that makes me think that the Shattering eruptions could’ve caused earthquakes in the Vault and that’s how the Remembrance area is discovered.
(I feel like I just rephrased what you said •_•)

[lusty merlin]

Same brainwave, just multiplying🤝 Oo that could work since vault is right next to eden, and there seems to be a distant shockwave of air after a shard

[crude flame]

True true and interesting observations
I’ll be wishing for whale powers

[frigid tinsel]

But yea I believe the Eden Storm generates the massive cloudcover we see around the world. As the Storm weakens, the clouds recede, also unveiling new areas like Sanctuary Islands, Dreams Village, and Village Theater

[crude flame]

Makes sense! It also parallels the way that the clouds recede on the map whenever we unlock a new part of it

[shrewd zenith]

I dunno if I asked this question yet bjt are there any angsty/sinister areas in Valley? Till now it seems like it was mostly a region of sports and entertainment

[frigid tinsel]

Check out the catacombs in Sunset’s temple

[lusty merlin]

Hi sunset
The catacombs
Ok

[shrewd zenith]

The what now-

[crude flame]

In the Valley temple there’s an area off the the left side upon entering
It’s the one place where we can find both dark plants and crabs in the Valley of Triumph, if I remember correctly !

[frigid tinsel]

Sparkler Parent’s spirit memories begin there

[shrewd zenith]

Ah, I still have to do that quest so I guess I know what I'm doing next after finishing Rememberance

[crude flame]

There isn’t any quests needed to access that particular location though, so you should be able to visit it whenever you like

(Quests from seasons I should say ) Spirit-wise, there is a gate to pass through

[ancient abyss]

If you are clever you can fly up to the catacombs exit and make your way to the start, avoiding the gate entirely

[frigid tinsel]

There is a spirit gate, you need to have found so many spirits from Valley to access it from the bottom but there’s a way to enter from higher in the wall

[tepid veldt]

first spirit card !!!!

[brisk python]

live reaction of me reading the spirit card:

[frigid tinsel]

Screaming

[lusty merlin]

AUGHHHHH

[frigid tinsel]

We have spirit character cards… nature is healing…

[lusty merlin]

I MISSED CHARATER CARDS BUT ALSO THAT SPIRIT IN THE TRAILER IS DEFINITELY THEIR KID AUGHHHHH

[brisk python]

i am,,,in shambles

[lusty merlin]

THE CANE TOO

[frigid tinsel]

Headcanon that Bereft Veteran is connected to Bumbling Boatswain in some way

Wait this screws with my DFT timeline, oh gods

[lusty merlin]

Real

AUGH since they’re also called veteran I have a sinking feeling the wasteland war was not just a simple few years long

[frigid tinsel]

You can be a veteran of a war that took place a short time ago

[lusty merlin]

Ah alrighty, my knowledge on military positions is scarce so I wasn’t sure

Damn they probably injured themselves because of the cane and had to retire possibly ;-;

[frigid tinsel]

Or they’re old. Granted they prob look unkempt cos they are, which can make one look older

[lusty merlin]

True true, could be any of those things, I hope we get insight on what happened to them :(

[frigid tinsel]

Wants to just sit quietly listening to the wind blow around them
The feathers…

[brisk python]

[rigid mural]

SPIRITS WITH CANES !!! SPIRITS WITH CRUTCHES !!! i love them

[frigid tinsel]

They have a cane! oh my gods

[rigid mural]

old man w

[frigid tinsel]

Vibrating with the disabled rep

Bereft is the past tense of bereave

[rigid mural]

NOOO im adopting them, i'll get them a blanket and something warm to drink, we can talk about anything they want

[lusty merlin]

Did they or their son die like that? Like was taken from each-other cuz of the war?

[brisk python]

STOOOPAIASDGSIFHFG

[rigid mural]

i'd lay down my life for them

[tepid veldt]

they are so amazing 🤍 love

[lusty merlin]

OUGHHH

[strange flame]

What does this dude give?

[lusty merlin]

Music sheets but better to ask this in #questions-and-help in the future

[marsh rivet]

new memory uhhh things gumbers in vault i think!!! yay ((lorechat do your think. Belle posting will continue soon i promise))

[frigid tinsel]

That’s the entrance to the Remembrance seasonal area

[marsh rivet]

Yesss eggsactly

[keen shore]

Love 🫶

[marsh rivet]

i can't wait tbh this is!! autism going wild i swear y'all

[brisk python]

ME TOO

[rigid mural]

eating the cubes

[keen shore]

I know that a lot of stress also makes you look older so :(

Although if the person projected by the lantern is their kid, I’d assume they are older anyways

[random token]

Guys we've been blessed with OLD MAN!

[lusty merlin]

We’re getting sad over them, just so many implications of what happened to them and their kid💔

[random token]

May I hear some of the theories? I have my own but I like others too :)

Also the old man me fr I like the wind

[frigid tinsel]

the war

[lusty merlin]

ok /ref

[random token]

I know the war you silly

[lusty merlin]

I totally believe the spirit coming from the memory cube in the trailer is their kid I’ll be shocked if it isn’t

[lusty merlin]

Also thinking about this too

[random token]

What if their kid is from flight? Since the feathers. But I think it's more reasonable to assume it's in the trailer

[halcyon abyss]

This makes my heart swell. Like..

Just picturing this spirit going to fight for what they believe and by the time they returns, there isn't anything left 🥲

[random token]

It depends on what he believed. I'm curious about that, and what side they were on. Altogether actually

[frigid tinsel]

thinking that even if they knew someone from the Flight crew, the memory cube could be a projection of an younger self if Veteran and their son had been separated for a long time.

[random token]

Thats so heartbreaking maaan

[frigid tinsel]

hey, don't ping me /nm

[random token]

Sorry it's auto turned on for replies

[lusty merlin]

I was actually thinking that too somwhat, there’s a lil chime set in the trailer that reminded me of flight, they originally could’ve been from Prairie maybe but we gotta wait and see

Plus the info of them being surprisingly handy at fixing things, I immediately thought of chimesmith at that

[brisk python]

you can turn it off

[random token]

I know but it's not like I have it off for everyone. It also doesn't remain off so it was an accident

[lusty merlin]

Damn now I’m thinking of them being a chimesmith or somebody that built boats before the war

[keen shore]

I see them as an inventor personally, something about the good at fixing things and riddles hints made me think that

[untold notch]

grandpa potts

[lusty merlin]

Oo yaya that too, oo what about a restorer

[violet sundial]

Is it just me or are these memory cubes facing the wrong way…,.,,

[random token]

Inventor.. who else was an inventor in sky? The flight people! !

[lusty merlin]

Idk much but that looks like beta so maybe delete that

Oh my god sorry I’m silly (haven’t updated yet, apologies)

[violet sundial]

No its live

[rigid mural]

update dropped today

[snow cosmos]

there are lots of potential inventors in sky - chimesmiths, bellmakers, builders and shipwrights and boatswains and probably vault scholars too

[keen shore]

I like to think the remembrance spirits are refugees from the Wasteland side of Golden Valley; if they were from prairie or forest, there would be no reason for them to head to vault to shelter in the first place. It’s too far away, and to be honest, vault is the kind of place you’d only shelter in out of desperation

[random token]

Who are the important ones most likely

[lusty merlin]

Yay fair enough

[random token]

That does seem true yeah. The war maybe invaded their home space and they got pushed back

[untold notch]

support your local libraries chat

[snow cosmos]

part of what's different about Sky from a lot of other games is that all the characters are important - they're just people living their lives, but that doesn't make any of them less central to the story or our understanding of what the world is or how it came to be this way

[random token]

I meant the important inventors that could be linked to the old guy lol. You valid though

[eternal totem]

Maybe that's how they work? Inner mechanisms necessary to project the shared space

[lusty merlin]

So far there’s no evidence that they’re linked to everyone ese, not even sure if they’re an inventor in cannon but it’s interesting to think that’s what they could’ve been

[random token]

I'm going to kidnap the kid in Rememberance you can't stop me im taking their plush too

[wicked prairie]

wasteland side of the golden valley?

[violet sundial]

Maybe, but normally they face with the diamond inward so that they project filtered(?) light into the bigger diamond

[random token]

Thats what theories are for we are discussing who might be his son

[violet sundial]

Also ur good dw im playing another game rn so sorry for slow response

[wicked prairie]

now im thinking maybe that's why there's a lot of tombstones in that one area in vault

[lusty merlin]

On the offical Twitter when sharing concept art and development of the realms, the tweet about valley said said “Golden Valley was the downtown to sky” if i recall, and with golden wasteland definitely having another name (I doubt they’re always called wasteland) they could’ve been known as golden valley

[random token]

Golden wasteland, or valley back then def had a lot of development and buildings is my assumption, got covered by sand and war maybe

[wicked prairie]

do u have a link for that or keywords that i can search on their twt?

[tulip salmon]

I think it’s a memorial site, or a graveyard for fellow scholars

[lusty merlin]

I have a screenshot from one of my early theories lemme find

[wicked prairie]

oooh tru tru

[lusty merlin]

Ignore the wasteland pics but here’s the tweet

[wicked prairie]

ooh it's the 7 days thingy!! i think i saw that on the wiki before i will check it again. thank u!

[lusty merlin]

There’s also gravestones everywhere, seen to be in all social spaces and in valley mostly (races and temple)

I’d like to think since spirts are a thing and that we have to ascend them at the temple, I think ancestors saw death as another milestone in their life, and know it’ll happen. Death to them is not a grievance because they can always come visit their family, I’d like to think seeing gravestones all around sky is a normal thing, I can see them being buried where they please

The graves in vault could either be scholars wishing to be buried there when they pass or going with remembrance, it also could’ve been their final resting place :(

For example hermit during feast and TS’s decend from the sky, so they’re not permanently stuck in orbit

[tulip salmon]

I wonder how exactly vault elevator work if there are skykids live in there? I like to keep the artificial star floors in my own AU but it can be annoying to move downstairs.

[wicked prairie]

when i first started the game i thought they were just normal stones then i saw running wayfarer memory

[lusty merlin]

I’d think it was possible to make it go down in theory but with game mechanics I think it just keeps going up (and to push out skykids along)

[native shoal]

I think I’ll start playing again for rememberance, I want that hair. Also I only saw like 2 seconds of the trailer but it looks neat

[wicked prairie]

ok so im reading the 7 days of sky stuff, can we treat the info they gave here as canon or is it like the tom zhao concept art?

[keen shore]

Like concept art most likely! Based on the phrasing it very much seems like in development stuff for the most part

[rigid mural]

hey guys someone posted animation tests for Light Awaits
https://youtu.be/FymU6M33Iaw

who are you

[untold notch]

yeah who is that

also the Eden crown is in there I miss Eden crown

[wicked prairie]

ancestor?

[rigid mural]

fyi this showed up in my recommended vids and i got curious, it's possible it's not the animator that made these

[wicked prairie]

there's been a lot of light awaits popping up on yt lately

[restive moth]

Yea but that was during the early days, some who stuck with those names are usually those who didn't know about the name update

[deep osprey]

LORECHAT QUICK SOMEONE SAID THIS AND NOW I CANNOT UNTHINK IT I NEED ANSWERS

[native shoal]

Both emit sound, probably same technology/magic

[untold notch]

please don't treat us like a Google we are not a Google we are a people

[keen shore]

Thinking this is an unused cutscene that would appear at the end of a spirit memory

[lusty merlin]

WE COULDVE HAD HIGH WUALITY ANCESTOR CUTSCENES AUGHHHHH

IK WE HAVE THEM INGAME BUT NOT LIKE CUTSCENES YAKNOW?

LIKE WITH VERY POLISHED ANIMATION AND STUFF

[tulip salmon]

I- i need them

[quick jasper]

i love the light awaits stuff but it also makes me sad to see what stuff didn't make it that i really liked

[tulip salmon]

Gosh the floating disk aiahgwjwbsb

[lusty merlin]

Goes insane

[pastel brook]

im just vibing here bro

[lusty merlin]

Your ruining my vibe of enjoying uncoloured twins

[pastel brook]

wow, I love this!

[lusty merlin]

💖

[pastel brook]

no

[lusty merlin]

I will chew you and spit you back out.

[spring python]

This bot hates gay people

[lusty merlin]

I love that the crack on their mask is so visible here I love it I love it

[lusty merlin]

I CANT believe it, i CANT believe skybot hates gay people 🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺

[pastel brook]

The flowers in sky look like they're made of light, but what about the grass and trees?!

[tulip salmon]

Oh old bird whisperer|| that kinda explain the early beta version of the seed||

[lusty merlin]

Wouldn’t you like to know, weather boy?

[spring python]

Is this a homophobic allegory

[lusty merlin]

Not surprised

[tulip salmon]

Can skybot be manually use to send messages or it just randomly mess with ppl

[lusty merlin]

They HATE Sah and gay people can’t believe this era we live in

[deep osprey]

Y'all are making me wish I could go back in time to be in light awaits I never was there please it hurts

[keen shore]

Two of them.

[shrewd zenith]

I like to randomly think about the Flight Guide. I wonder how the people of the Season of Flight met their end. Was it the explosion? Or were they cut off from resources because of the fall of the kingdom? Or was it because they could no longer leave because the animals were either corrupted and panicking. It depresses me to think that they were unable to go to each other and that they were stuck on their own islands in isolation because the boat was broken and swept away because of something.

[wicked prairie]

i love that there's a difference between the way they stand, it's a small thing but gives them more personality

[lusty merlin]

TWO OF THEM

[deep osprey]

Oh god there are shrimps for the elders now /j

[lusty merlin]

AUGH yeah i wonder that too, I think it’s interesting to imagine few survived the initial explosion but not for long

[deep osprey]

Like an atomic bomb?

[keen shore]

Sometimes people just enjoy a character, no reason to make it weird

[lusty merlin]

YEAH YOU GET IT!!! I LOVE MEDIA THAT MAKES TWIN CHARATERS THEIR OWN AND NOT CARBON COPIES PERSONALITY WISE

[brisk python]

twins my beloveds

[quick jasper]

they are very polite ❤️

[deep osprey]

Just imagine how scary that's gotta be... All of your friends... All of humanity knowing that death is imminent, only able to hug eachother as the darkness swallows them...

GUYS SPEAKING OF HUGS I HAVE A THEORY well it's not my theory but still I'd like to point out how the winged light at the elder memory are hugging eachother like how the kiddins hug in eden

[lusty merlin]

Have have them polite when it’s a serious and important matter and then you also got them fighting over the light

[deep osprey]

Should I make a list of everything pre darkness, during darkness, and post darkness?

[lusty merlin]

I feel like it’ll be alot of work, to me it seems certian areas in the same realm are a mix

[snow cosmos]

are you talking about, like, a timeline of the kingdom leading up to and through the disaster? you're more than welcome to take a shot at it - many of us have our own ideas - but it'd be a major undertaking

[quick jasper]

they're smart when it comes to professional situations- but also silly. and i love them <3

[wicked prairie]

THIS THIS i love the twins so much

[lusty merlin]

YALL GET ME!! SAME BRAINWAVE

[snow cosmos]

in some ways i feel like Sunset really captures what adulthood can be under the best circumstances - you're grown up and have responsibilities now, but you're still the same unhinged goofball you've always been

[tepid veldt]

YES brb will grab writing excerpt

[lusty merlin]

So true 🤝🤝🤝

[fickle wing]

adulthood is about slipping and sliding around on snow and ice yippee yay

[quick jasper]

spins the twins in my brain. you can make an hyperfixation out of this

[snow cosmos]

tac is the perfect example of this /lh

[crystal scroll]

Are we talking about the meaning of the realms?

[brisk python]

twins are best elders change my mind

[tepid veldt]

damn it nevermind i cant find it 😔

[wicked prairie]

sometimes i imagine the twins doing manta races with the people from the valley or them doing performances with the theater kids

[lusty merlin]

Silence /lh

[fickle wing]

ok but

[quick jasper]

i blame tacs insta stories for making me think about the twins so much how can you not love the silly

[pastel brook]

we gotta go DEEPER

[snow cosmos]

i wasn't talking about that specifically, although Sunset/Valley is associated with young adulthood yeah - i was more musing on my experience of reaching the point in adulthood where i thought i'd be "grown up" and feeling basically the same as i always have

[lusty merlin]

Yea oh my god I can see them letting them win

Or try to I see Sah being a try hard 💀

[shrewd zenith]

Listen I like Isle but he sus cause Flight

[keen shore]

Throws them into the snow

[regal marsh]

WHAAATTT

[fickle wing]

isle would prob have such good stories n advice to tell i want to sit on a porch with them n just talk

[deep osprey]

The isle spirits- Unspecified, but likely pre darkness
The prairie spirits- pre darkness
The forest spirits- The rain appears to exist before the darknes so pre darkness - during darkness
The valley spirits- Appear to be pre darkness
Wasteland spirits- Appear to be during the darkness
Vault spirits- Unspecified
- Very early, as they don't use darkstone powered machinery (or they were the sky equivalent of Amish)
- Post darkness, as the spirit memories show krills in the water and the water level is the same in the memories as it is now.
- Either during darkness or post darkness
- Really unclear, but most likely really early in the timeline.

[pastel brook]

I like the way you think!

[lusty merlin]

AUGHHH TY

[regal marsh]

I don't think anyone asked

[pastel brook]

wh

[regal marsh]

Got em

[pastel brook]

-does a big think-

[wicked prairie]

skybot is more active than usual here 😆

[quick jasper]

i love all the elders so much i want more content of them do you ever just go visit them oob because they

[snow cosmos]

petition to take the geezers (especially dawn and bereft veteran) on a field trip to sanctuary islands or the wind paths

[deep osprey]

Oh crap did I say something offensive aaa

[fickle wing]

IMMEDIATELY SIGNED

[lucid egret]

Skybot we love you, don’t listen to them
Abyss my beloved

[regal marsh]

No need for that.

[lusty merlin]

YES I WANT MORE WLDER CONTENT I WANNA KNOW WHAT THEIR CHARATERS ARE LIKE

[fickle wing]

i want 2 gnaw on the elders cmon give us more crumbs on em im starving tgc please please please pl

[wicked prairie]

i read this as wilder content and i was like

[regal marsh]

POV: they add a Naruto cape :

[deep osprey]

Some spirit cutscenes aren't even cutscenes they're just
Spirit:
Skykid:
Spirit: a s c e n d

[lusty merlin]

I’ll take a mural painting I just want SOMTHING

[quick jasper]

anyways back to lurking i go i just have Won't shut up about the elders disease

[fickle wing]

would kill a man for those elder zodiacs like we have for some ts im still shaking that box of reeses pieces n collection of coins n stuff as an offer in exchange for them

[wicked prairie]

give us elders interacting with their people!!!

[lusty merlin]

If the twins aren’t Gemini I will be

[spring python]

They look like they’re about to tell u they missed the bus

[lusty merlin]

YES I WANT THAT SO BAD

MEAN TO THEM LET

[spring python]

Wake up DUSK.

We just missed the Bus (epic guitar rift as Dusk rides a whale to take the twins to school)

[fickle wing]

on one hand elder zodiacs = crumbs of personality n what they’re like similar to ts
on the other. Trollsona unlocked (evil)

[cold sparrow]

okay but the quest has you free light creatures from the arriving darkness
so i'd say they may have found their end during darkness, cut off from the outside world because the wind paths closed up somehow

[lusty merlin]

Saving this thank you

[fickle wing]

EXPLOSIÓN upon ye 💥💥💥

[regal marsh]

[keen shore]

I have actually been thinking about Sky’s timeline quite a bit! I ended up coming to the conclusion, based on various things, that

1] every spirit memory we see takes place after the darkness came (it got slowly worse over time before the explosion, but was present for a while)
2] Every spirit lived at roughly the same time.

How I figured this out was thanks to the first four seasons, which were an absolute godsend for timelining things. Many spirits from the first four seasons interact with spirits both in their basegame realm and from other seasons — for example, Confident Sightseer and Leaping Dancer both show up in Twirl’s memory — and, operating under the (almost definitely correct) assumption that every spirit from the first four seasons was alive at the same time, this also means that every basegame spirit and every spirit from those first four seasons were all alive at the same time.

From there you can slowly work outwards. For example;
Performance and Rhythm are twins, so performance was in that group too.
Assembly has a connection to lightseekers, meaning it either ‘took place’ at the same time or after.
Every Flight spirit is confirmed to have connections to other ancestors; we don’t know who yet, but even if just one of them is basegame, they’re included too. We also know from chsracter cards they work closely with the Sanctuary folks which means they’re included also.
Dreams includes a gratitude spirit in Hermit’s memory and so is also included.

We do have some seasons left after this, but I’m running out of space and so will get to them in my next message. Can provide sources if necessary

From here, these are the seasons we have left:

• Enchantment
• Prophecy
• Abyss
• TLP
• Aurora

All the AURORA spirits seem to know each other, and several basegame spirits show up during various Aurora memories. We can assume the AURORA stories took place in roughly the same timeline as well.

TLP I’m not even going to try to timeline. It seems to be a season more based on symbolism than actual literal Sky events. However, if we absolutely wanted to, several basegame spirits show up in Slouch’s memories, and so they fit as well.

So finally, we are left with enchantment, prophecy, and abyss.

[winter shale]

That's beautifully explained omg!!
I have to completely agree with you, your facts are very compelling 💖💖

[halcyon abyss]

That's a really awesome breakdown, thanks for sharing!!

[snow cosmos]

perpetually in awe of Catlem's timelining skills/ability to tie disparate pieces of information into a unified concept

[keen shore]

Enchantment and Abyss are hard to work with, because due to their location and stories, they’re super isolated. If they both took place during the same time, we can’t use any spirit connections to timeline them.

However, as Wasteland seasons, they are heavily influenced by the darkness. Abyss takes place in the ruins of an old refinery overrun by corrupted creatures. Enchantment is shipwrecked because of an unexpected Wasteland storm; they also knew about the krill close by as they painted it on their ark. They also had to deal with corrupted crabs and tried (and failed) to purify dark water.

All these are markers of the same point in time we’ve been putting the other seasonal spirits in — while the darkness was getting bad, but still before the explosion. This means they take place at the same time as the others.

[winter shale]

I assume Abyss was around the same time as well, maybe later into the kingdom's descent since it seems extremely abandoned?

[rigid mural]

However, as Wasteland seasons, they are heavily influenced by the darkness.
and darkness isolates beings of light

[keen shore]

Late but Thank you & everyone else who responded so much, I am having so much fun with this 💛

[rigid mural]

Abyss is in the ruins of a place that studied mantas and darkstone, so it's likely happening a while after darkstone became a field of research that anccestors would invest time and effort in !

[winter shale]

And from what I see, they're possibly scavenging for those diamonds maybe as a sort of trade/currency?
Kind of like pirates searching for gold lol

[rigid mural]

The quest called these "ressources" iirc !

[snow cosmos]

i had initially imagined Abyss as taking place after the collapse of everything, with how abandoned the refinery is, but it would make sense in times of war for resources and people to be redirected from production jobs to military ones - framing the Abyss crew as refugees/draft dodgers/renegades taking shelter in a closed-down factory whose workers are now soldiers would track i think

[untold notch]

I will get you

[rigid mural]

counter-argument: darkstone production could be crucial to war if it was used for weapons or mechanisms (the doors of the temple)

[cold sparrow]

but the question is if they were still capable of production, or if the refineries and pipelines maybe got damaged in the war and they needed the manpower for defense

[rigid mural]

During WW2, part of the reason the germans were so eager to seize northern france was for the coal mines in the flanders.

[snow cosmos]

you're so right- maybe the treasure reef refinery was just one of many, not all of which were shut down? there's no direct evidence to support this but i can't imagine the entire supply of darkstone/power diamonds would be coming from one production line

[rigid mural]

There's mine carts in the treasure reef, maybe it was both a mine and a lab ?

[keen shore]

FINALLY we reach the hardest season to timeline but also my favorite: Prophecy.

Prophecy is pretty clearly stated to be the origin story of the kingdom. Its masks are designed specifically to look ancient. With these two characteristics in mind, it’s easy to mistake it to be at the very beginning of the timeline; sometimes even centuries before the others.

But being at the beginning of the kingdom doesn’t mean it’s at the beginning of the civilization. Let me explain.

Before I get into this, I would like to mention that Prophecy is also isolated. This makes it impossible to timeline it using other spirits. It’s also about foretelling the future, meaning any events displayed on the murals can be explained with “oh those are prophecies”. This puts us in a very unique position, as it eliminates basically all the tools we have to compare its place in time accurately to the other seasons.

Except one, which, although it hasn’t been explained much yet, soon will be — and already has a bunch of details to talk about:
the animation teaser.

[snow cosmos]

if the Leviathan was already present, which i assume it was since Cannoneer interacts with it, maybe the team working at Treasure Reef just. sealed it up as well as they could and evacuated, closing the facility?

[deep osprey]

What kind of fabric is the cloth in sky? Knowing what type would help us understand the age and how quickly it decomposes, allowing us to help with timeline stuff.

[snow cosmos]

this is such good food for thought btw Catlem, i am avidly consuming your ideas as always <3

[keen shore]

Unfortunately this is still very theorized, as we don’t have strictly confirmed tools yet, but it is my firmly held belief that some of the prophets’ students show up in the animation teaser

[winter shale]

I personally think since the murals depict The Kings arrival, the cave must be, perhaps, as old as all of the elders
But ofcourse it could still be up and running during the kingdom's downfall as in the memories they're teaching students how to do some avatar stuff /j

[keen shore]

Hold that thought because I’ll get back to you soon

[winter shale]

I'll be gone for a bit but I'm excited to hear this ✌️

[rigid mural]

One of the inspos for Abyss was the type of movie with horror at sea, so some failed and abandoned lab project would fit.

Now, I like to believe the Leviathan always was like that (it also behaves like a normal predator would; easy prey ? bon appetit. prey hurts ? goodbye, as opposed to krills who just rush at you repeatedly even if it leaves them dazed for a while after) and they were testing on a giant beast of darkness. Maybe it's an elder of what krills were, or maybe it's something else entirely

but that's just arguing detail, it could be or not be the reason the facility has been vacated, maybe the sccholars simply left for the vault for refuge ?

[halcyon abyss]

Oooh. I always thought the double buns were a younger Laughing Light catcher from prairie. After failing the trial, they moved on.

[snow cosmos]

YEAH you get me!! regardless of the origins of the Leviathan, if the original Treasure Reef workers felt like it was too much of a risk to keep working there, they could have locked everything down and evacuated to the Vault, leaving everything untouched until the Abyss crew came through, potentially having taken to the seas to avoid having to fight in the war, or having lost their homes because of it

[keen shore]

BUT YOU KNOW WHO ELSE APPEARS IN THE TEASER? younger versions of ushering stargazer and rejecting voyager, two basegame isle spirits.

We know now that the cave of prophecies was at least in use during the same time as these younger basegame Isle spirits lived — a couple of decades before the other stories takes place, maybe, if we’re being generous. Not only that, but the prophecy students appear younger in the teaser than they do in game, implying both that they stuck around for a while and also that the prophecy spirit memories take place several years after the events of the trailer.

And now we get into what Cleobugg was talking about

[keen shore]

Which is:

if Stargazer’s memory depicts One falling, and the storyline of Prophecy (and possibly the animation teaser as well!) is about them going through the trials and being chosen, this means that all of these events took place within the century — likely much less — before the disaster.

This also means that Sky was a kingdom for a very short period of their history.

[wicked prairie]

when you mean younger, do you mean compared to the spirits we see in-game?

[spring python]

This was rly well broken down and therefore a pleasure to read, im rly impressed Salem

[wicked prairie]

ohh now that im thinking about that my theory about the kid in the trailer being the first fallen star/sky kid might not be true 🤔

[keen shore]

We do have a neat side note here! Candlemaker and stargazer both appear as adults in running wayfarer’s quest, when wayfarer was a kid. This suggests that Isle may have gone desolate earlier, with the spirits in that realm dying and petrifying much before the others, hence why they seem almost frozen in time.

This adds some extra years onto the time between the beginning of the kingdom segment and it’s fall. It depends on what you see the spirits in questions’ ages as, but my current most generous estimate is that One falling and the start of the kingdom was only about 25-50 years before the disaster.

If I had to guess it would be more along the lines of 25-35.

[keen shore]

You’re probably right, actually! Unfortunately, we’re not absolutely sure yet, but it seems to be a very, very strong possibility.

That’s all I have for right now, thank you everyone for enabling my massive essay on why the tineline we see of Sky is much smaller than we tend to assume 💛💛💛 and thank you everyone for your compliments. They made my night

[cold sparrow]

I wonder if it was something like the central light source of the kingdom weakening and not being able to reach the outer edges of the kingdom anymore
thus people from these places trying to travel and flee up towards the mountain

[keen shore]

Something like… the Eden beam weakening? :scheming:

[snow cosmos]

cannot overstate how impressed i always am by how well you can string this stuff together. i get lots of little bits and pieces, but the way you can put it all together into a narrative that actually makes sense and seems plausible is genuinely so cool, i love reading your dissertations when i start to feel like i'm losing the common threads between ideas 💚

[wicked prairie]

im also confused about the timeline of isle as well, in the animation teaser/trailers (both the one uploaded by tgc and switch one) they seem to be travelling in an area filled with sand (the isle we are most familiar with) and an isle that looks like a grassy land. now im wondering if is it the same place? or different timelines (which doesn't make sense too much cuz we see the same or similar vehicle) im aware that the switch one might not be fully canon but idk about the one tgc uploaded

[keen shore]

OUGH THANK YOU SO MUCH… horrible at phrasing responses to compliments but this makes me really happy

[snow cosmos]

in wayfarer's memory there's a point where the landscape of isle transitions from sand to grass, so it's likely that as pollution grew over time the natural vegetation started to suffer!

[wicked prairie]

ooh oki i will check that out again. tbh i need to revisit all spirits 😆 there's a lot of details you can miss if you're not paying attention

[winter shale]

IM BACK AND MORE PROPHECY TIME
So prophecy kinda is like foreshadowing right? What if those murals were painted before the king even arrived? And the cave serves as a cultural spot kind of to all those who believe in the prophecy?

[spring python]

Personally I think that the Prophecy itself was a warning against the giant diamond in Eden but it was instead interpreted as “y’all how bout setting up a giant diamond in Eden?”

[keen shore]

Yeah, probably! Although the prophecy came true, so I’d be shocked if anyone didn’t believe in it

[drifting stone]

I noticed recently that spirits don’t fly in Sky, only skykids do

[winter shale]

I agree with you totally 💀
They were too excited about a "child of god light megabird whatever" that they forgot the part where they die in the end

But after the first stage of the prophecy came true, what were those classes they seemed to teach to the ancestors? And why were they significant to that holy cave?

[keen shore]

I remember seeing one of the prophets described as a ‘trial guide’ once, I’d assume they were teaching ancestors how to get through the trials

[drifting stone]

Yeah I think they were teaching about their elements and about the trials

[spring python]

I think what we relive is also before they delivered the prophecy, and the idea of getting through the trials was to collect the lights to actually be able to bring the prophecy itself to fruition

[winter shale]

I mostly seen it as us skykids are restoring the cave to its original state to discover the past, and the prophecy spirits were the last mentors to teach there before the downfall of the kingdom

[spring python]

The only reason I think that is that we go through the trials to get “blessings”, and after we do, the cave starts lighting itself up again, so I think that’s it’s either that the blessings we collect allow us to now interpret things we couldn’t before, or that they were used altogether to make a prophecy

[winter shale]

Perhaps the cave was locked away due to the war? (From fear of people vandalizing the place due to them thinking "propaganda" or smthing)

[keen shore]

I don’t think the war reached Isle personally, it seems mostly localized to wasteland, vault, and valley

[snow cosmos]

also tossing in the idea that the trials themselves might be older than the prophecy - especially based on the idea that the prophecy was... prophesied, i guess, less than a century before One fell and began to fulfill it, the splash text of "Beware The Ancient Trials" makes them seem like something far older

[winter shale]

Me neither, but chances couldn't have been taken right? Even ancestors that didn't seem to be part of the war could've went and destroyed all of those historical murals

[spring python]

It might have also been locked up due to it being considered highly sacred, or it just being an isolationist society

[snow cosmos]

why would they, though? what purpose would that serve? /genq

[winter shale]

Honestly I have something in my head but it's not wording
But during wartime I believe countries/armies did destroy the historical objects of other countries, or take religious cleansing for example

[snow cosmos]

that's definitely true, i think the part i'm getting hung up on is that this wasn't a war between two opposing cultures, if that makes sense? that history belonged to both sides, so i'm struggling to see why either side would want to destroy it

[winter shale]

Yeah I'm hung up on that part too, but I believe it's hinted there's two sides of the civil war that happened?

[keen shore]

You could also make an argument that everything in Sky is ancient hence why it’s called that!
The trials do feel super Old to me so you’re probably right; prophecy and everything surrounding it is just a pain to timeline. I think you know me well enough to know I have thought about it so much

[snow cosmos]

the war is widely thought to be ancestor vs ancestor, yeah - i think the common theory right now is that it was a question of industrialist progress vs environmental awareness. but since both groups would have come from the same wider communities and culture, i don't imagine something as significant to the history of their kingdom would be a target for either faction

[spring python]

I have a thought on prophecy but I’m having to recheck my philosophy books so it might take a while

[wicked prairie]

i also noticed that the doors in cave of propechy holds flame to open unlike the other doors that are darkstone

[keen shore]

Yeah! Isle’s temple doors do as well, it’s a really neat detail

[winter shale]

You're right, and it becomes harder to defend my little theory lol
Since the murals were mostly about The King, perhaps one side was against The King? Not to call him a bad guy, but he does seem corrupt

[crystal scroll]

I may be wrong so correct me if I am not cave of prophecies entrance is in isle and I believe this is the start of life like being born and that thing in there with the mask I think that’s the one that puts you through the trial to see if your heart is a as light as a father idk I just find it weird that it’s connected to isle

[wicked prairie]

i wonder if there's a world before isle cuz we wake up on a shore right? what's beyond that ocean

[crystal scroll]

Eden maybe?

[untold notch]

there's a line where the sky meets the sea, it calls meeeeee /lyr

[crystal scroll]

If Eden is death and isle is birth then maybe it’s eden back there NEVERMIND lmao you can’t see the mountain

[winter shale]

Looking at the shrine maps, it seems home is in-between Isle and Prairie?

Wait nvm was looking at the wrong thing 💀

[wicked prairie]

and i wonder what's this island at home space? did someone ever get to glitch theirselves there?

[snow cosmos]

this is possible, though i will say - One was ultimately just a kid who got the pressure of guiding an entire civilization on their shoulders, not because of any great leadership skills or wisdom, but because they were shiny and fell out of the sky they could have been corrupt, but i think it's more likely they were overwhelmed and making decisions based on incomplete information without fully knowing how their choices would ripple out and shape the course of history

[crystal scroll]

I am like grasshopper and the wind barrier is car to me I have tried so many times to fly full speed through it and even swim through it

[winter shale]

WAIT A DAMN MINUTE

Did anyone notice already the map is in the shape of.... A diamond???

[untold notch]

yep

[crystal scroll]

No can I get a pic lmao

[crystal scroll]

Oh it is to

maybe the corruption started in the centre of the diamond cause it’s red in centre and top with that giant beam going up same as actual diamonds

[tepid veldt]

sorry to interrupt, but when did the enchantment masks have this orange diamond ? am i just that unobservant

[crystal scroll]

Santa?!?!

[winter shale]

***Everywhere I go, it reminds me of him *** /ref

[wicked prairie]

isn't that an elder hair

[untold notch]

the ancestors loooooove diamonds

[winter shale]

Can I mention once again how Cackling Canoneer had a whole GIANT gun that shot arrows, and yet it seems the soldiers only used close combat weapons like swords and spears

[wicked prairie]

ooh i noticed that but i assumed that was to catch fish (im not sure if abyss ancestors ate fish i haven't done the quests yet)

[keen shore]

harpoons

[winter shale]

Like I know in Seed of Hope's memory we see projectile arrows, but we never see any physicaly evidence of them having gun like objects
Now the question is, where did Cackling Canoneer get this harpoon? What crimes have they committed?

[crystal scroll]

Cries for sky whale 🐋 ☁️ 😢

[lusty merlin]

I just think it’s used for it’s intended use which is fishing

[crystal scroll]

If it’s a large harpoon it’s used for whaling (I think it’s called whaling)

[winter shale]

Sure, the harpoon intended purpose was probably used to catch fish
But man it could've definetely been used to snipe out an army

[snow cosmos]

a naval weapon like a harpoon would likely have been harder to use in a land-based war, tbf

[wicked prairie]

are the fishes light creatures too? wait do light creatures mean they are made of light?

[crystal scroll]

Idk if they would have eaten fish because they are a creature of light unless it’s delicacy XD MAYBE THEY EAT MANTA NOO but honestly idk 🤷🏼

[crystal scroll]

Maybe if it was in golden wasteland that seemed to be underwater where the ark is idk about the rest

[winter shale]

Anxious angler's memory def shows they caught (and probably ate) fish 🐟

[lusty merlin]

Wouldn’t it be really inefficient though? Like it can only hold one ammo slot, many harpoons have ropes to reel or back in with couldn’t be idea cuz the rope can just be cut. Even if carrying multiple spears the time to reload would take too long to keep up with battles imo, since sky seems to not use the trench method of war

[winter shale]

You have a really good point, Tac! Thank you!

[crystal scroll]

Maybe it was used for killing krill

[snow cosmos]

given that the location named "battlefield" and the sites of conflicts we saw in Seed of Hope's memory and concert segment took place on land, and not even on a coast, i'm not sure how practical naval weapons would have been

[lusty merlin]

For how tiny it is I doubt it would do much, unless you have a death wish to aim for the eye or somthing

[crystal scroll]

Oh haha sorry I only though because of the forgotten ark and there would have had to be water for the boat to get there, I stil think maybe the harpoon was for killing krill

[winter shale]

And now it makes me wonder how far the kingdom's technology came until its demise

[snow cosmos]

no worries! it's all a little ambiguous, especially since we see boats meant for water and boats that fly

[crystal scroll]

The ancestors had death wish when they built big diamond tbh maybe it was used forrrr I’m sorry I’m new to this

[winter shale]

Tbh I think once again in Seed of Hope's memory, when the soldiers are carrying them to safety, they throw tiny harpoon/spears at a giant krill lol

[crystal scroll]

Ah yeah good point I actually really love the flying boats my favourite is the one in wind paths the cute manta leading it around hehe idk if more then one manta has s on the end or not

[snow cosmos]

i really like the manta-driven boat too, it shows that the Flight crew were looking for, and finding, sustainable alternatives to darkstone-powered technology

[crystal scroll]

Well I didn’t think they where tiny XD I thought it was like a whaling harpoon

[lusty merlin]

I personally see the building the diamond of them not aware it would explode, it just happened that it unfortunately did explode for a lot of possible reasons (rushed production, overload somhow ect)

[crystal scroll]

Yeah that makes sense

[winter shale]

I always considered the diamond got overheated, since all of these darkstones are originally blue, turning whiteish when activated
And red is a common colour for "hot ow"

[wicked prairie]

why did they build the diamond?

[crystal scroll]

Yeah exactly and idk why they need boats because they could have just ridden manta around maybe to carry more people, yeah that makes sense smaller manta so there is more room manta are like horses of the sky

[snow cosmos]

that's the million-dollar question we don't have a solid answer yet, though there are a handful of plausible ideas floating around

[winter shale]

Also mixing in with the theory that skykids are made out of clay, perhaps the reason we get hurt around them is because of its heat? Clay hardens when exposed to heat, right?

[wicked prairie]

im not very familiar with eden lore stuff

[crystal scroll]

Like giant electricity I think

[lusty merlin]

There’s a lot of possibilities, but a lot of people think it was to harness light energy. Some believe the beam we see from eden is natural and placed the diamond there to power the kingdom, but that’s pure speculation though

[crystal scroll]

It’s very confusing haha

[winter shale]

Also from one of the Shattering memories, the elders seem to get caught pretty close to the explosion
I wonder what they were trying to do? All there together

[lusty merlin]

Something i think is a cool theory/speculation is eden was more of a sacred place where ancestors are instead instead of the capital of sky. The castle looks regal and I just get like important vibes from it, and orbit is just above it so a lot of ceremonies for ancestors passing could’ve happened there

As for the elder shard memory I’d like to imagine they knew the diamond would explode and try to stop it (which failed)

And I swear this isn’t bias but valley gives more capital vibes just from the sheer look, culture, and aesthetic of it

[winter shale]

The whole lore surrounding the diamond is so confusing/frustrating
But so much fun to dissect

[wicked prairie]

ooh yea i view eden as a sacred place too, in my head it's a place that the ancestors need to go thru to be reborn again

[winter shale]

Also I definetely can agree on Valley being the capital
It's placed almost right in the center of all the other realms/kingdoms

[crystal scroll]

Did my message send?

[winter shale]

As well as it's the closest to Eden (not counting vault)

[lusty merlin]

Yaya! And would be the easiest for anyone to travel distance wise, not to far away from any of the realms

[snow cosmos]

sometimes skybot beans messages that it thinks are tripping its filters, i think i saw your message for a second before it got sniped

[winter shale]

Another thing I want to see in future events/seasons is the architexture of different realms
I want to see how the ancestors lived

[wicked prairie]

YES YES PLS

[snow cosmos]

i don't have the brainpower to give the full explanation of this joke but there is a reason some of us call valley Sky Rome

[lusty merlin]

Oooo yaya i agree! I love the houses but I’d love to see big structures in their prime or somthing to see what style they built

[winter shale]

We see in the animation teaser that forest used stone houses, while the game also supports the theory that they made houses out of hollowed out tree trunks

[lusty merlin]

Ultimate cottage core goals

[wicked prairie]

i want to see more of the tools they used too

[winter shale]

Valley seems to most definetely use houses made out of stone brick, probably to insulate them thru the winter

What I kind of want to see is the furniture they used too kinda? Like what technology did they have? Tvs? Ovens? Sinks?

[crystal scroll]

Ah that makes sense haha

[wicked prairie]

oh oh and what other materials did they use aside from stone?

[cunning umbra]

i have a random head cannon to share: what if the flight guide and the light whisperer are siblings? they have kinda similar vibes and the light whisperer is the youngest of the flight spirits so they could be the guide's younger sibling.

[winter shale]

Yeah! They definetely used wood and cloth tho

[crystal scroll]

I really like that place in valley with the giant spinning gold rings idk what it’s called

[cold sparrow]

that's the citadel, but also called the orrery by fans

[hushed steeple]

I HAVE A HC ABOUT BEREFT VETERAN

they are the one who supplied either Stagehand or Performance Director the tongue twisters/riddles

[midnight plover]

My question is, where do the spirits (or who ever made the valley) get the cloth? Theres no animals other than butterflies, mantas, krills, and jelly fish (might of forgot some ehe)

[winter shale]

Thanks for bringing up the citadel lol! That reminds me, I believe citadel uses bricks for its structure (though it's not far off from stones ig)

[wicked prairie]

i always wondered how they passed down their stories from one generation to the next, the murals? stone tablets? did they discover how to make paper or parchment? it's the tiny details that i get excited about cuz it tells us how the people lived during that time

[crystal scroll]

The giant rings I believe are there to create airflow because they are so large and heavy it looks like they are moving slow but the amount of air they could push out

[winter shale]

There's definetely gotta be extinct animals from the ancestors time, I mean look at the masks they have! No way they came up with those animal masks without inspo

[hushed steeple]

certain types of plants could be it

that or Woolly Mantas

[crystal scroll]

Maybe some went extinct due to the harvesting of them?

[midnight plover]

Hmm, for the extinct idea, how did they become extinct? I kinda head canon that eden exploded and created a nuclear winter, but reading the lore chat idk anymore 💀

[lusty merlin]

Trading I guess I can see valley having a high export in trades for their living conditions

[crystal scroll]

They where killing the creatures of light for their light I’m pretty sure idk

[winter shale]

Honestly I can see a "nuclear winter" happening after the explosion!

[lusty merlin]

Outside of cannon I can see light sheep being a thing maybe there’s a industry in valley for that

[midnight plover]

Owah thats a good idea, also, the cloth seems to be in gooe condition, (from what I see) so there needs to be a active source-

[wicked prairie]

maybe they had cotton like plants before but bcus of the destruction it got wiped out of existence. the animation teaser also showed us that there are a lot flora that existed back then that we do not see now in game

[winter shale]

Perhaps daylight instead of valley? I could see daylight as a farming town lmao

[lusty merlin]

Yaya true prairie would better

[wicked prairie]

this game needs sheep

[hushed steeple]

but make the "winter" Summer instead

Nuclear Summer (if thats even a thing)

[lusty merlin]

I’d love sheep in sky

[keen shore]

Manta sheep can be real if you’re brave enough

[winter shale]

I imagine if the game had sheep, it would look like Wooloo from pokemon 💀

[wicked prairie]

pls it would be so cute

[lusty merlin]

Sheep call 🫶

[hushed steeple]

Wooly mantas is actually one of my February art prompts

[untold notch]

[wicked prairie]

floofie manta

[hushed steeple]

[winter shale]

Now I've noticed, we haven't gotten any farm animal-like masks yet
Cow, pig, horse, chicken

[keen shore]

Fortune ox mask

[hushed steeple]

I sense a Season of Agriculture

[winter shale]

Yeah I was about to mention that! :p

[crystal scroll]

I hope one day more trees are added to the game cause it kinda feels bare without them

[wicked prairie]

yea i find it weird that we dont really have trees that look alive

[winter shale]

I agree with you, like certainly we would atleast have little saplings!

[cobalt wraith]

are the areas in the trials actual places? i know we can have them show up on our maps but they don't look like anywhere else in the game

[hushed steeple]

looks at days of bloom trees

[winter shale]

Oh right those exists 🥲 lol

[keen shore]

Likely not, but it’s unclear. Best guess is they exist in a similar space to elder dimensions

[winter shale]

I've always seen the trials as a "headspace"

[hushed steeple]

i always say them as simulations but in the mind due to the small room we always start in and the fact that outside things like capes and spells are inaccessible to us

[wicked prairie]

to me they're kinda like similar to the spirits? it's there and they bloom but it feels like we're only seeing a memory. idk if i explained that well lol

[cobalt wraith]

^^ that's what i was thinking more of , especially considering we don't travel through any portals, we meditate before entering. i think we're actually sitting inside of the cave the entire time but are being influenced by the spirit

[winter shale]

That's kind of what I've always seen too, cause the trees in forest don't have this blue glow to them

[hushed steeple]

reminds me of the trees in Vault thrid flooe

[midnight plover]

Now that I think about it, very few plants exist in sky, theres water, soil, sun, (also where is the sun??? How is there sun light, like where is sky if the sun still shines? Is it another planet?) surely there should be plants, but nope!

[hushed steeple]

there is a sun

but Eden also tends to be like a mini sun in some areas

[wicked prairie]

maybe the diamond was a sun or something similar to that

[winter shale]

You gotta imagine the plants are there cause it seems TGC doesnt like the idea of straying from their simplistic art🥲

[hushed steeple]

or maybe the fallout of Eden and the resulting Storm is releasing so much energy at once that it is recreating the light of the sun

[winter shale]

But now that I think of it, I don't believe Forest would have many plants
The ground is probably mushy and wet from the constant rain, not many things can flourish

[midnight plover]

Hmm, eden i feel like couldn’t be a sun, idk what skykids are made out of, but if eden had the power of a small sun, they would be burned before even getting close to it. (I think lol) so i think the world of sky is another planet, and sky kids are aliens 😄

[keen shore]

I mean, considering the apocalypse, I can think of a good reason why there wouldn’t be much plants other than grass

[hushed steeple]

i also read a theory on the Forest Rain

the rain isn’t actually water, but instead the Tears of the Lady of the Forest or smth

[brisk python]

other than gross sifhsfs

[tepid veldt]

plants are gross confirmed /j

[wicked prairie]

i wonder if it also rained that much there back then. wait is the forest kind of like a rainforest then?

[midnight plover]

Real!!! The devs dmed me!!! /j

[winter shale]

No, I don't think it was ever meant to hold that much rain which is why it's dead and depressing

[brisk python]

sounds like me lol

[keen shore]

I HATE the environment. all plants are awful and disgusting

[hushed steeple]

do we need to have a talk? /jk

[midnight plover]

Hm, if the rain was tears, why would it hurt the sky-kids? Maybe they hate the feeling of hurt? But I don’t think that makes that much sense lol

[brisk python]

[hushed steeple]

i'll take that as a yes

[wicked prairie]

maybe because the rain is too cold for our sky kids to handle?

[winter shale]

Well since there's a popular theory that skykids are made out of clay, getting wet would cause clay to kind of... droop

[wicked prairie]

oooh i like that theory

[midnight plover]

Then we would get hurt by snow in valley right? Snow = water but… Ooo clay theory sounds cool!

[winter shale]

BUT THEN AGAIN
We can swim in water perfectly fine???

[brisk python]

one thing is for certain: something about that rain is cold enough to make our lil moth shiver when first entering the locale

[snow cosmos]

once clay has been baked and optionally glazed water doesn't squishify it

[hushed steeple]

emotional tears are chalk full of hormones and bio stuff. it could be that?

oop wrong message

[midnight plover]

It cant be cold, i mean, valley of triumph. So maybe emotional tears for forest?

[brisk python]

im sure that was meant for me lol
but who knows

[wicked prairie]

the rain could also be like acid rain

[winter shale]

Maybe the water is slightly polluted?

[hushed steeple]

with the Dark water it makes sense

[brisk python]

i personally think it's polluted rain

[midnight plover]

Ooo, maybe something happened to waste land, idk maybe valley was too cold so it didnt get effected, and then it went to forest?

[winter shale]

Forest seems like it was heavily disparaged of its resources, and the effects of that probably seeped into their water source

[wicked prairie]

i've seen some theories that forest folks made a lot of those darkstone stuff or thats the place where darkstone was found

[raw crypt]

I like to think the rain being tears is more metaphoric based on the poem than literal, with mining likely damaging water resources

[winter shale]

Oh yeah, my partner actually made some theories that Teth's people were the first to find the power of darkstone! Then it got overrused

[winter shale]

I'm surrounded by multiple mine companies (abandoned and still going) and yeah, mining can damage water resources really badly

[wicked prairie]

yeaa then maybe golden wasteland was used to build factories to mass-produce them

[winter shale]

I kind of believe that even though The King mightve never meant to be bad, he was the ringleader of it all
What he said, the elders went with it (....mostly)

[winter monolith]

maybe the rain correlates to the absence/capture of light creatures? because the rain stops when we summon the jellyfish and the mantas are freed in the temple

[winter shale]

So The King probably had most to do with the overusage of darkstone, and industrializing wasteland

[hushed steeple]

before everything went to Carp, I HC that the Forest largely focused on the Crafts like woodworking, wielding, etc whereas Valley focused heavily on the Fine Arts plus the Races

[winter shale]

It definetely makes sense!

[hushed steeple]

it was partly inspired by one of my brothers friends who is going into Industrial wielding

[snow cosmos]

(btw, all the elders and ancestors in sky are agender, so you can use they/them for them all! )

[keen shore]

I’m late but a quick explanation of the “rain is Rain’s tears” idea because it’s a lot more complex and cooler than the discussion above did it justice.

It’s based on a theory of Vela’s that the elders are intricately tied with their realm and almost inseparable from it; as part of this, their emotions can influence and are often direct causes of the weather. For instance, the pollution in Wasteland implies prior corruption. In this way, the rain would be tied to Rain’s tears. You can even see them crying in their cutscene

[crystal scroll]

To me these look like megabird feather idk if it has feathers but y’all talk about it alot (spoilers)

[lusty merlin]

Hmm they look more like the ones seen on this chime here from the trailer, you can also see them in chime smiths character card too

And as much as I’d love more megabird content I doupt they would just casually appear in an ancestors info card

[remote skiff]

hey next time you folks go recollecting light after an eden run, try tallying how many WL are looking at/towards creatures of light. it's an interesting pattern!

idk if it means anything but yeah!

[slate saffron]

Do yall consider turrets to be cannon?

[remote skiff]

no, the residual structures bear no indication of such mechanisms

now, do i think the concept of turrets was reimagined as krill? yes. can i explain how that works? no, i haven't gotten that far
they function the same way tho

[slate saffron]

This was supposed to be a pun but it appears for once in my life I spelled It correctly-

[remote skiff]

canon = true to lore, mythos
cannon = weapon

but it was a good pun!

[rapid raft]

It’s against policies to unveil beta secrets my man

[lusty merlin]

This is from the trailer posted in news (like I stated in my message)

[rapid raft]

it doesn’t look anything like the feathers you’re matching it up with. just states your knowledgable about current beta content. as a matter of fact , the feathers mentioned resemble more of that in flight areas themed items. sharing beta info is prohibited my man

[lusty merlin]

Bro

[rapid raft]

policies are ment to abide by, especially being a beta player. don’t forget

[lusty merlin]

This is posted outside beta though, (news) anything posted outside by devs or mods here is free range to discuss (im not even in beta)

[fluid inlet]

I like the thought they amazon ordered it from Chimesmith

[crystal scroll]

Oh sorry

[crystal scroll]

I like Amazon

[sudden vector]

do we know what krill are and why they attack us?

[cold sparrow]

I think the only thing we know about krill is that they're corrupted somehow
everything else is theory, with some of the more popular ones being that krill are darkstone corrupted light whales that just follow their instinct to absorb any light now, or a sort of warmachine created for hunting down light

[sudden vector]

ohhh fascinating!! thank you so much

[halcyon abyss]

With the shattering krill memory. I considered that the corruption came in the form of retaliation to whatever Krill used to be. Running on the krill they have a metallic(what feels like impenetrable body) so I wonder if the corruption spread in the form of "your body is too soft, this is how you're succumbing to extinction, let me gift you a body of armor" kinda deal

Like crabs. Corruption makes them aggressive. We've seen cases where the crabs could have been docile so the corruption utilized their "weakest" characteristic and turned it into an attack or self-preservation aspect

[flint bolt]

alright adding another tally to the "krill lore photo" whiteboard

[wicked prairie]

i was looking around treasure reef earlier and it looks like the harpoon thingy is also darkstone operated?

it looks like they mined darkstone here too, the crabs are attracted to it

[hushed steeple]

i forgot i wrote a small snippet of Iroh and Bloom Guide having a tea battle with FOrest Mama as the judge

[untold notch]

iroh?

[south depot]

are there names to all the realm elders?

[untold notch]

Elder Names by Alasdair#8513

The Elders (plus the king & prince) have names based off Hebrew letters from concept development that are no longer canon, though the fandom sometimes refers to them as such:
Isle – Daleth (ד)
Prairie – Ayin (ע)
Forest – Teth (ט)
Valley – Samekh (ס) (they share a name, though the fandom refers to as Sah and as Mekh)
Wasteland – Tsadi (צ)
Vault – Lamed (ל)
Prince – Alef (א)
King – Resh (ר)

Though it seems the devs refer to the Elders by the times of day their realms represent:
Isle – Dawn
Prairie – Day
Forest – Rain
Valley – Sunset
Wasteland – Dusk
Vault – Night
Eden – Storm

thank the stars that formatted correctly first try I would have exploded

[frigid tinsel]

I do want to note that Ktjn clarified that the Elders' names are Elder of the [Realm]. the time of day names are just internal, not canon (unfortunately) but some of us still use them

[lusty merlin]

Me watching vela type with excitement cuz possible banger theory:

[rigid mural]

In the switch trailer, we can see Eden got its beam before the stars fell and a castle was built there, interesting.

But I want to point at where the beam is coming from on the last shot, in Isle

I like to think the elders' role was (and technically still is) to send the souls of the diseased to the stars, hence the beam coming out of the Isle temple here, and that comes out every temple whose elder's cutscene you just finished seeing in-game.

Imo, elders were part of the cycle as the ones sending the dead back to the Light so they may be reborn, but for some reason became unavailable (too busy ? trapped ? dead ?) and so the Eden beam ended up being the last one left (either because it wasn't bound to an elder, or because the eden elder was still able to do their job). Maybe light creatures already were migrating there and ancestors just followed them when their elders weren't there to ascend them, or maybe everyone started migrating en masse there...

[lusty merlin]

OH MY GOD YEAH!! AND AFTER AN ELDER CUTSCENE A BEAM SHOOTS FROM THE TEMPLE TO REVEAL THEIR CONSTELLATION

[rigid mural]

In an old intro, the Eden star is the last to be covered by clouds too...

[frigid tinsel]

hmm, always thought that beams from the temples signified that Elders were ascending spirits. the Eden beam could then be light that is seemingly constantly ascending.

if there is an Eden Elder, they're gone but they're still doing their job to some capacity

[lusty merlin]

They ran out of vacation days💔

[rigid mural]

YEAH EXACTLY
And remember how Ash said the King plays an important role but not in a way that we might think ?

[lusty merlin]

Vela your mind!!!!!! I completely forgot about the beam from the temples and just assumed it’s a cutscene transition but this makes so much sence

[rigid mural]

"the King is inside the Eden diamond" is a theory older than I played the game, but let me offer this variant: The Eden Diamond is a more or less successful attempt at leaving a legacy that will continue to link the kingdom (or what remains of it) to the stars, as an elder would.

[lusty merlin]

Me at this, it fits so well (IT DIDNT LOOP NOO)

[keen shore]

It could be a possible desperation reason they made the diamond too, hence why it was so rushed and important

[rigid mural]

Maybe the elders were losing power as light became rarer and rarer, hence the urgency.
After all, our light offerings are what reawakens them.

[keen shore]

I’m still thinking about this because I think it’s a super smart connection, especially paired with the theory of the beam originally being natural but slowly dying. It would also explain why Isle and Prairie were the ones most adamant against darkstone usage and exploitation; they’re the ones farthest away from the central light source (which would likely be the Eden beam) and so would be most affected

[frigid tinsel]

"and then we took the light from the wind. the behemoths that remained were only monuments to ourselves."

[keen shore]

I mentioned it now because I wonder if you could connect that to what Vela is talking about

[keen shore]

To add onto this; I know that after you do each elder cutscene, the beam reappears! Since it doesn’t stay, I would assume the thing causing the beam is ascending spirits, and the cutscenes were just made with the fact that you’d be visiting the elders to do that a lot, especially on your first runs.

Add onto that the fact that the Eden beam is consistently present

[keen shore]

Nvm Alasdair already said this 😔

[keen shore]

I wonder if it means…

The beam requires ascending spirits to occur
or
Ascending spirits requires the beam to occur

Because if it’s the second, you could build off this and say that’s why the diamond was necessary. You could even do the legacy idea that Vela mentioned in a second comment which reminds me a lot of the golden record Vault theory

[rigid mural]

OH ABOUT THAT
I don't have it on hand but there's a concept art where spirits ascending up Eden had their memories be stored here...

[cold sparrow]

all this reminds me of sth I was thinking about earlier
thinking about all the possible options of what the skykids could be exactly
iirc it was mentioned that the skykids are somehow related to the ancestors, but the skykids and ancestors are implied/shown/confirmed to not be the same

so options I can think of are

• they're manifestations of pure light, somehow given will and purpose (perhaps by the wishes and pleas of the dying/dead ancestors for help)
• they're light creatures that have been harvested for the darkstone/eden diamond, freed and reformed (which would align with their limited communication and honks and chirps)
• actually reborn and reformed spirits of ancestors that once died, given a new life and chance
• aspects/fragments of this fabled corrupted king, seeping from the eden diamond, trying to set things right?

I'm sure there are some more options, but those are just some of my ideas

[keen shore]

The intro murals in Isle, the golden record Vault theory, and this… the realization that ancestors and elders might have known they weren’t going to last long is heartbreaking. Especially when you compare it to seasons that might be the result of them trying to push back against that and survive, like Abyss, and even spirit memories where despite that weight, they’re happy and cheerful and enjoying themselves.. augh

[rigid mural]

Hmm the help menu for emotes call spirits "your ancestors" hence why I headcanon skykids are related to them; as for elders, a lightseeker stream taught us skykids will not grow up to be elders

[frigid tinsel]

this one

echoes of memories left in the mountain from souls travelling over the mountain

[rigid mural]

The unintelligible word is "over" I think !

[keen shore]

I think the switch trailer canonicity is a bit debatable, so just in case I’ll check the animation teaser to see if I find anything, hold on

So what I found here is really interesting. Look; neither the temple nor Eden (whose beam but not silhouette would be visible from this angle) has a beam

[frigid tinsel]

perhaps Dawn wasn’t ascending spirits at that moment

[keen shore]

That’s what I’d assume too. For temples, it seems the beam only appears when spirits get ascended

[rigid mural]

Switch trailer is straight up from TGC tho, not negating your idea it has a few details changed to look better but imo dismissing it as debatably canon is a bit unfair.

[keen shore]

I’m not sure how else to phrase it sadly 😔 I agree it sounds a bit harsh but unfortunately, going on a tangent each time about how they might have thought more about how the kingdom actually looked in the past rather than making it pretty first and thinking about that later isn’t feasible everytime I talk about it

[rigid mural]

I've read your original message about it, I just agree to disagree on that.

[keen shore]

If you have any ideas for better phrasing,I’d really appreciate them

That’s fair! I didn’t mean to derail your original theory conversation; I just thought it was interesting how Eden didn’t have a beam in this picture, which might help support what you’re saying (beam only came really late)

[rigid mural]

It's cool, I was about to leave for dinner anyway, it's just that I noticed some folks make really cool ideas but assume they're right just because they make sense, and unintentionally force that onto others. I think you could preface that with "I believe..." or "My theory is.." so that it's clear it comes from you ! /nm

[keen shore]

I get you! I wasn’t really thinking at the time about perfect words for that, apologies! It has been edited

We’d have to wait for the animation project to come out and then compare it to the switch trailer to know for sure, so I think ultimately that making it clear I’m speculating like you mentioned is the best course of action here

[rigid mural]

I just recently realized it might be what puts off or confuses people that don't exclusively hang out here, because they assume we know more since we're chatting almost everyday here so it's easy to take us for our words, when between eachother there's an agreement it's all theories unless it's backed up by official stuff or dev messages.

[keen shore]

I agree; I usually try my best to make it clear they’re theories, I was just distracted this time by prospect of Eden beam and unfortunately wasn’t paying a lot of attention 😔

[rigid mural]

It's cool, I understand. I gtg but I'm also eagerly waiting for the animation

[uncut pond]

I think a better way of phrasing it would be "the switch trailer makes some changes to the geography and looks of the kingdom to make it look prettier"

(Or if you want something shorter, "the switch trailer takes creative liberties with the geography")

[hushed steeple]

🥹

[marsh rivet]

Lorechat I trust in you most out of all servers I am in to make this decision as you are the wisest and most responsible people. Would you guys do me the honours of choosing my new second name? I'm not satisfied with Oscar anymore and I can't come up with any myself.

[frigid tinsel]

we got another one

[marsh rivet]

they're just like me fr 😔😔😔

[umbral merlin]

I am holding them gentle and also

becomes anxious now when someone is left by themselves
Mood

[untold notch]

I don't remember flight/performance cards and Aurora/shattering are bad data points but was it always this obvious that the masks were masks

I should look at berefts card as well but it's really obvious in this one and I like that

[umbral merlin]

I think so? I've skimmed through some of the cards and I think some do have their masks be more prominent in their mask-ness

[frigid tinsel]

names are personal, incredibly powerful monikers of the self. it will be how people address you, speak of you, see you. it encapsulates your identity in such a significant way that I wouldn't trust that honor with random blokes on the Internet.

at best, I suggest finding names for yourself and testing them out with people, online and off, having them address you as one or more of those you pick until some feel right. yes, you can poll people, but it is your name – you make the final decision and, frankly, most of the choices should be up to.

[untold notch]

mysteries upon mysteries...

it might just be artist difference but it's intriguing regardless

these only have faces because that's all that would load on my slow data

[rigid mural]

im going to cry and sob
- Becomes anxious now when someone is left by themselves
the "now"... does that mean something happened in the vault that made them uneasy when they knew someone was by themselves,,,

[marsh rivet]

Alasdair you wise old oak you, I'm asking you guys because it's only my second name!! :) I trust you all enough to not give me a silly name, plus, it's not permanent yet!!

[frigid tinsel]

still, that should ultimately be up to you, not us

[marsh rivet]

OOPS SORRY FOR THE PING BTW!! and yes, I know, but I can't come up with something!! atleast some suggestions would be nice..?

[brittle flax]

how do i even begin to try to decipher and learn about the lore... i skipped alot while just collecting as many emotes as i can and also the spirits memories faded fast when trying to get them in time...

[earnest briar]

Most don't unless you're A. in Forest. Or B. You were just going really slow. Most timed Spirits give you plenty of time to complete them.

[untold notch]

you can always go back and relive them again

[frigid tinsel]

not all spirits have a timer and many of those that do have it for a long period of time, plenty of time to observe. that's how I get my pictures

[brittle flax]

no i mean, i accidentally stood on the place a spirit was going to appear multiple times...

[brittle flax]

true but i can't see em all anymore, some just became black orbs which are hardly visible

[earnest briar]

Then honk to see where they'll go, don't stand right in the place they appear next time, and you'll have a better chance of seeing them.

[untold notch]

oh the individual memories! I'm bad with those too I'll admit

[brittle flax]

i am also still a moth... started playing like 4,5 weeks ish ago i think

[earnest briar]

If you want to relive a Spirit you've already completed, just leave the area (like by going home) and come back. They're not a one and done type thing.

[brittle flax]

hm ok

[earnest briar]

Every single Spirit, base-game or Seasonal can be relived at any time.

[brisk python]

teabrewer my beloved,,

[shrewd zenith]

Wait, is it just me or does the ancestor not have a mask??? Like, thags hid real face? Or is his mustache attached to a mask-

[untold notch]

I would not be the one who knows that

[umbral merlin]

I honestly like to think that spirits with moustaches have a slit in their mask where they can bring their moustache through and outside the mask

[frigid tinsel]

You could imply that for pronounced facial hair, they could either not have a half bottom to their masks or force their hair through slits like you said

[winter shale]

Tbh it'd be pretty funny if they just glued a fake mustache to their masks

[umbral merlin]

They take off their mask and there's just another 'stache underneath

[random token]

Hisses at lore chat tea brewer is mine

[winter shale]

Are we allowed to talk about the Season Of Remembrance spirit memories here yet?

[brisk python]

no Mine

[random token]

Fights you for it

[umbral merlin]

You fools. Tea brewer has two hands /lh

[frigid tinsel]

The spirit memories themselves have not been released in Live yet so no. Now that we’re getting spirit character cards, we can talk about those details and speculate

[random token]

Oh you're talking about memories not the characters

[brisk python]

i dont wanna share anxiety mom >:((

[winter shale]

That's what I thought! It's really hard to wait to talk about beta things lol 💔 I'm so excited

[random token]

Guys guys calm down, we all know the anxiety mom is MY and not for sharing thank you thank you

[brisk python]

[random token]

How I want tea brewer to hold me

[brisk python]

me and teabrewer (real)

[marsh rivet]

Lorechat, I've made a decision. Manta Dad will now officially be known as Féliks Jonah! More Belle posts coming soon in honour of teabrewer

[random token]

False information and banned for spreading rumors

[winter shale]

So these little ovals in the chest area right
Does anyone have theories on what it's significance is? I've always wanted to see others theories.
Ancestors and skykids have it both, are ancestors powered by light as well?

[random token]

I believe they are powered by light yeah

[brisk python]

sounds like jealousy (pls know this is playful banter)

[frigid tinsel]

I’ve always regarded them as the spirits’ soul cores, what they demanifest into when they ascend or zip around.

For skykids, however, the hole in their chest is their flame. You’ll notice it disappears when you take out your red candle, which is also your flame.

[random token]

(I know lol)

[brisk python]

ok good bc so many people think im somehow being serious and like ???? how

[winter shale]

Thats a nicely detailed way to explain it!
I always found it funny how it's so bright it can shine through thick clothing, I wonder if they can use it to blind their enemies?

[winter shale]

Also neurodivergent people tend to take things literally, so please don't get angry at us for not understanding a joke! ❤️

[umbral merlin]

Eyyy fellow neurodivergent

[brisk python]

i'm one of those people so i get it, but even with the /joke tone tag they still think im being serious i dont understand

[random token]

Some people just don't get jokes sometimes :(

[brisk python]

but moving on:
i love teabrewer so much i just want to hold

[winter shale]

Teabrewer and bereft really deserve the world

[frigid tinsel]

Not everyone knows what the / at the end of messages means, could be why

[brisk python]

i rly want to know the name of the one w/ the lil hat and the plushie

[slate saffron]

[winter shale]

He looks like his name is little Timmy boy

[cobalt wraith]

the way y'all were literally talking about the possibility of spirits having parents and then-

[tepid veldt]

im a little late but tea brewer is ashsjdjdjdjdjs 🤍

[winter shale]

I don't know how to word this but, we're always calling ancestors "spirits" even in past tense, when they were still alive
Does that mean they're dead people? Or just kind of humans that are rebirthed from the dead?

[lusty merlin]

Ancestors I assume is when their alive, spirits being they’re dead as we see the ones we help ascend in orbit

[violet sundial]

His name is Small Victorian Child wdym

[lusty merlin]

Like how media calls dead people we see ghosts spirits ect if you see them even when they pass. When alive they’re just seen as people and human if that makes sence

[winter shale]

Ohhh yeah that makes sense, English isn't my first language so I got a bit confused!
Now another question lol

I saw lorechat recently talking about the beam coming from Eden helps the spirits to ascend. why would the ancestors need to "ascend''? For what purpose?
Was ascending kind of like a funeral????

[frigid tinsel]

To return to the Light

[winter shale]

Yes but, what do you think would be it's reason? I'm seeing it as a purity thing now that I think of it

[lusty merlin]

maybe in a more ceremony way that is bitter sweet, could be a funeral but not as somber and grim.

(Since spirits are shown to come back down to the kingdom at will, so they could visit their loved ones)

I’d see orbit as the afterlife since that’s were all spirits go, final resting place for souls to go than a purity thing

[frigid tinsel]

There’s a thought that light wants to connect and bond with itself. Spirits, free of their mortal bodies, now return to the light not only to continue the light cycle but, perhaps, so they wouldn’t be lost to darkness

I see it has nothing to die with purity, it is just light returning to light so it can be made anew or remembered.

[winter shale]

Oooh those are really good explanations!! Thank you both!

[rare fox]

someone can tell me if invisible cape is avalaible ?

[frigid tinsel]

It’s a beta exclusive item, better to ask in #beta-discussion

[rare fox]

and there are no animation for reaching new flight lvl with 200 wings ?

[lusty merlin]

No clue, better to ask that in #questions-and-help

[rare fox]

its a spoiler thats why im not sure that question will be welcome as you said

[frigid tinsel]

Lorechat is for discussing the story and history of the game, hence we discuss spoilers here. #questions-and-help is for game mechanics and such

[lusty merlin]

200 wings wouldn’t be a spoiler though since it’s in the game and all, you can always use spoiler tags too “||”

[shrewd zenith]

Y'all really saw potential grandparental/auntie/uncle figures and were like "MY FAMILY NOW"

[lapis plover]

I see a lot of Sky folks on Tumblr who seem to believe that Dawn elder raised Eden Elder. Is there anything to support this theory?
(I love the Sky Tumblr community but their lore theories don't seem particularly rooted in game content)

[lusty merlin]

Unfortunately the only thing available for that is vague concert art of isle knowing the eden elder somhow (even I’m not sure how much there is but it’s very small). Other than that there’s nothing else, I’d consider that dynamic a fannon interpretation (as cute as it is)

[frigid tinsel]

There’s this PowerPoint slide from a livestream with a concept character description of Dawn that says Dawn raised One/Eden Elder. As tac said, that’s all there is to it. Knowing Tumblr, they ran wild with that dynamic for their own headcanons and ficverses

[lusty merlin]

Oo i didn’t know this I just assumed it was concept art only

But yeah it’s just seen in concept, not truly ingame anywhere

[lapis plover]

That tracks with my experience on Tumblr haha. I love them but they love their fanon 😂

[frigid tinsel]

Concept art ≠ canon, though many use it to supplement their theories and headcanon

[lusty merlin]

Yaya, like hell i have my elder hand magic headcannon and the twins being kids when they fell, and the egg horrors but I make sure to express that’s pure headcannon in my verse

[lusty merlin]

Sorry the fact isles concept charater was gonna be based off Dumbledore and Jiminy cricket oughhh

[winter shale]

.......The egg horrors? 😢

I don't think I wanna know actually

Speaking of the valley elders, I wonder if the people (and elders) of sky were confused when they got two new elders/fallen stars instead of just one 💀

[frigid tinsel]

Seems they were planning to frame Dawn in the old mentor trope

[lusty merlin]

Oh I believe that 100% I can see the debate on it stretching on for thousands of years on why it would be the case

[rapid raft]

🧚🏽‍♀️

[winter shale]

Perhaps they thought maybe one of the twins was supposed to rule over a different piece of land, but ultimately they stuck together