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Sky: Ponies of the Light
Alicorn cuz op and chosen one so true
SO TRUE
manticore, half man, half horse and half crab
. half of each?
Crab Whisperer he/him princess
REAL!!!
We deliver winged light up to the light over and over again. Why do they always return?? Did more lights fall whilst we were busy dying? Or did the same ones descend again?
its all crab whisperer, carcinization
carcinizes you
oh no im a crap
Thinking of a circuit like the cycle, you give wl in eden, die, ascend, statues ascend, were reborn and light follows ig
Like in an out maybe
when we give winged light to the statues in eden are we saving other skykids? if that’s true then how are we reborn without being given wl? is it because of the figure we hug?
when we pick up winged lights, they have the shape of a skykid
so, it would be plausible that we're just returning the light to another skykid
and the figure we hug might indeed be our own light?
oh maybe! i was under the impression that the figure we hug is something like megabird
yes, we are giving winged light to petrified skykids to save them. presumably, another skykid has to give us winged light to save our petrified forms.
not sure who the white skid in limbo is.
also i do remember someone saying that a dev said the skykids and winged light are closely related! not sure if im remembering right
yeah that’s what i thought! but maybe gameplay wise they didn’t want u to have to wait lol
I want to maul that one crab spirit funky man whose name I don't remember
How might I go about doing this in a lore-accurate manner?
I have zero idea who you're talking about
Are we talking about pleaful parent, crab whisperer, or crab walker? I support mauling none of them
they would maul you back
Very likely, but that's besides the point
My teeth desire to consume spirit flesh, how may I do this lore-wise?
Well they’re intangible you literally can’t
However if you were to go back to when they were alive
Spirits are tangible since we can hug them. You could totally bite a spirit if you so desired, you’d just have to make it a sneak attack, since it seems like they can control if they’re tangible or not
It's simple
You take out a chunk mid-hug
Like they make themselves tangible to hug you or do things so you’d have to go in for a hug and then chomp. However, the idea of this betrayal makes me very sad, and so if someone did it I would have to intervene
They’re the 4th chosen one? What happened to the other 3?
Thank you Fruitzie. I appreciate this immensely. Do you have any recommendations for where to bite them for increased lore-accurancy, or is anywhere fine ?
dont worry about it
Crab whisperer became greedy started a corruption and KILLED them all
It depends on how tall you are and how tall the spirit is. Ideally, you'd take out a chunk close to where your face is. If you had to crouch or stretch your neck mid-hug, the spirit may become suspicious and become intangible.
I see, highly informative. I shall use this information to the fullest. Have a wonderful evening Fruitzie.
Or daying
Is the Tom Zhao concept art considered canon lore? Several of the concepts are hinted at in-game, but nothing is explicitly confirmed or denied in-game
No, it’s not. Some stuff might have carried over, but unfortunately there’s a persistent problem of people valuing it on the same level as confirmed canon lore, which isn’t true.
That's what I figured, but thanks for confirming!
No worries!
I hope this is a good chat to ask this. Do we have any further information on the 3 special masks that help with Krill, etc?
the elder masks? iirc some (vela was the first i remember talking abt it) have theorized that the elders have been regaining their strength thanks to our light, and are finally powerful enough to give us them. unsure tho
Yes
I think it’s like how we don’t get the elder hair until we complete their constellation, by ascending all of their spirits we help them get the light and power needed
aghhh again i cant remember who said this but the elders’ biggest wish/goal was to help their people above all. suddenly, they arent able to do the one thing they want to do most. seeing us take care of all their people and then finally themselves causes them to give back in return? just an idea 
anyways sleepy time. gnight lorechst
whats the next upcoming season?
anyone know what the shadows in the fire trial are?? i assumed like some form of a krill or something

people call them owls, but i can't stop thinking about them being some weird backrooms entity-
Okay just to remind myself. The GW warriors were fighting each other in the aurora concert right? I just didn't get a good screenshot. And mantas were on the good side
battle at battlefield so chaos and disorganized, hard to tell what side was fighting what, if any
~~omg guys the real villain of sky was the owl hairstyle all along
not the spirit, not the sky kids wearing it, the owl hair is it’s own conciseness and mind with the sky kids wearing it under its control like some sort of mind control device~~
i'm wondering if it's more than coincidence that one of the two shield types seen in the GW battlefield have the same sun symbol as the docks in the prairie villages (shipwright isle). coup d'tat led by prairie folk? esp given the season of flight guide was an apprentice of the prairie elder? 
i rewatched the concert today and i am pretty convinced by the theory that the ancestors got overzealous with technology which lead to the downfall
there was a lot of destructive blue light raining down. i am guessing these are memories of the war. and if you get too close to the opening in the clouds in the first half of the song, you are temporarily drained of light. also, during the intense parts of the song there is some darkness that leaked up through the clouds which also drain your light, which i am assuming is due to the battle that is happening below the clouds (which you can sort of catch a glimpse of depending on your angle). i didnt catch any good screenshots but maybe i'll go back through later and see if i can
also. the song "the seed" itself kind of a 'battle song' of sorts against the overuse of technology. which fits thematically with what seemed to have happened in the golden wasteland.
Why were the mantas in cages during the concert storytelling stuff ._. I think the sky dudes dug their own graves and and made their world doo doo and from the battle in the wasteland I deduced there were 2 sides but the mantas did nothing wrong 。゚(゚´Д`゚)゚。
full disclosure these are just my theories based on what limited info i know since i am VERY new to lore chat
but anyways. i'm still trying to piece that aspect together. my theory is that this concert was, in a way, telling us the story of the ancestors?
so i think that during the song that we see the capturing of the creatures of light (warrior) was when the ancestors started to get a little too overzealous about their technology and maybe were harvesting creatures of light for the technology.
alternatively, most of the capturing was occurring during warrior, and the following song was the seed, so maybe all the capturing of those creatures of life was actually war prep? who knows !
ofc other lorechat members are free to pop in with their own theories or correct me. i am just having a good time trying to make sense of the game's lore for now lol
I agree with some of naty theory I just needed a reminder bc I found it incredibly sad.
you're like almost completely on the mark for stuff that has a lot of evidence for though I wanna point out this:
my theory is that this concert was, in a way, telling us the story of the ancestors?
consider that all the spirit memories we have experience up to this point have been an ancestor's spirit memories. we are on the same level of the ancestors, on the ground, following their footsteps even if the ground they walked on has collapsed. however during the concert, we embody creatures – fish, butterflies, mantas, birds.
we are not seeing ancestor memories during the concert, we are seeing memories of light creatures. yes, there are ancestors in the concert, but we don't see their perspective, we don't follow their footsteps. most of the time, we fly above them, getting a bird's eyes view (literally and figuratively) of moments in the kingdom's time. we are the jellyfish miners chased away. we are the mantas ancestors captured. we are the butterflies fluttering over their bodies.
Aurora herself and much of her music align with environmentalist themes – to protect nature, to bond with nature. the ancestors pillaged and polluted their environment to advance their civilization, they "took the light from the wind" until there are little light left and they fought over what remained. we know that from the ancestor spirit memories and the ruins they left behind. in the concert, we see not from the ancestors (or human) perspective, but we see from nature's perspective in order to empathise with the creatures and their land who were pillaged and polluted.
gods know people are calling aurora a sad season but i feel like that kind of misses the theme ive found which is finding hope in the sadness, in the dark times, and in rising up out of them
the fierceness of hope will always and forever get me right in the heart and so im very emotional about this season
Hi lorechat
I've been wondering what's up with those explosive cyan lights in the wasteland section of the Aurora concert, thoughts?
one theory ive seen is that it's the elder(s) of the valley sending cyan light (air) into the wasteland to block it and the war off from valley's then prosperous cities
Rotates you in my mind
the Cave of Prophecies murals depict Sunset receiving cyan light, so they are presumed to have air powers of some kind. there's a thought that Sunset created one or more vortexes between their realm and Wasteland to keep the pollution and/or krills from infecting their realm. the Seed of Hope section of the concert may be depicting that.
why is windpath the only map that has connection to all the other maps?
they're cool like that
oh my gosh this makes so much sense :0 i hadn't thought of it that way!
but to add to that, then the quests leading up to the concert were from the perspective of the ancestors, since we followed the actual memories as our sky kids
and so during the concert we then see the perspective of the creatures of light, who were caught in the crossfire
in a way we got both sides of the story
we got the real time experiences of a select few ancestors, and then the aerial view of the story overall from the perspective of the creatures of light during the concert
which makes the story tie itself together nicely
Fun fact, dying on the first part of The Seed makes some kind of red light briefly shine from the hole in the clouds. Only saw it well twice and couldn't take screenshots because full switch albums, but... red... 
yeah i noticed that too! i panicked the first time i lost my light because i thought i broke the concert 💀i wasnt expecting violence lmaooo
Thinking about Eden and how that beam of red light appears specifically after you die as a bird...
how are yall handling aurora in ur fanfics and such?
GOD the seed in the concert really gets my mind flowing as to what the heck was going on
it's interesting that just 1st song is in skykid perspective where they showed us pollution/corruption and the rest is in the perspective of the creatures as alasdair said
Hello! I have a question. Did skykids exist when the ancestors existed or did they start appearing after the fall of the sky kingdom?
i think one sky kid existed with the ancestors, the one from the switch trailer and animation teaser? i might be wrong tho
i think that's also the kid that they found in one of the spirit memories in isle. i forgot what the name of the spirit was
I think it's Alef
Thats a concept art name as a reminder not the offical name
oooh, didn't know that
Yeah names like Daleth,Ayin,Teth,Samekh,Tsadi,Lamed,Resh and Álef are strictly concept art names, and I remember ktjn explaining they’re not used anymore
only reason i use them sometimes is that's how i was introduced and they just stuck, but alot of members in lc tend to refer to the elders by time and day (most of them)
Dawn,Day,Rain,Sunset,Dusk,Night (Storm is a lc name hc if I recall same for chosen one which a lot of folks tend to also like)
Based on the intro I’d say it implies the majority of skykids came after. Besides the one skykid in stargazers momory. And what caelus said about the possibly of a child being a skykid in the animation teaser but it’s still uncertain. Could argue the child in wayfarers song is a skykid but I think it’s just wayfarer as a child. Just to keep the theme consistent of the aurora spirits appearing in their memory, it would be weird if that pattern was ignored till the 2nd song
Ah meant to reply to nari’s message my bad
it's oki! aaa cant wait for more of the animation stuff it looks amazing and more LORE 
don't worry
thank you!
Hello lore fam!
How do we feel after season of shattering + Aurora? 
Withered
Hungry for more

I feel like I don't acknowledge how sad Sky actually can be
I mean, from the moment we're brought into this world it's a sad and desolate area with no people other than the other sky kids. Our entire existence is to save a world we barely know anything about and in order to do that we also have to die over and over and over again and we have to keep getting reborn each time. Knowing what I know about Sky now, the isle of dawn is such an oddly terrifying place for me... The emptiness is what always disturbs me, especially knowing that place was probably once filled with life
IS A HOTDOG A SANDWICH
I'm not sure how much the Isle of Dawn was actually a living place before. We don't see a lot of homes and buildings as in other areas. I think, especially looking at the story you see in Runaway, the Isle is more of a place where pilgrimages start or traversed through. A place where you land with your boat, then try to catch a flying one to reach one of the (remaining?) safe havens.
Are these spirits alive or tgc just put em for no reason?
They're hanging out :]
I like to think it's to take care of the music shop so the skykids aren't alone.
them 
if the animated teaser is canon (is it? idk i'm new here), then isle used to have a lot of tents and huts which all might have disintegrated with the passing of time
it did seem like a sort of boat interchange where people would go to take boats and to the temple/other realms
but yeah its so empty now :(
cant stop thinking about the flight blorbos
chimesmith: your extremely cool and queer uncle
light whisperer: close friend, shy, but will geek about something they enjoy
lively navigator: older sibling by a mile. you dont fight, they take you to work sometimes, and totally steal random stuff from said work
talented builder: friends with chimesmith since they were young. probably also very gay. i need help with this one i dont know 
Man i cant wait for the animation movie lhlhflhc
I actually thought it was pretty nice, discovering how they lived and where felt more exciting then sad at first,
Until they showed us how much they were suffering man... 
lol even if they aren’t canon i found this very funny 
thank you! next time please dont ping me 
The animation teaser is canon from what we can tell, as it shows a bunch of ingame locations and even two spirits we can recognize! [The switch trailer is debatably canon, though].
There’s a common theory that Isle ancestors lived a nomadic lifestyle, hence why they live mostly in natural-made caves or temporary homes, and why titles like ‘voyager’ are common for the spirits there. Unfortunately, that would mean they also didn’t leave a lot of ruins behind, making Isle look even more desolate in their absence
can i ask why the switch trailer is debatably canon? what points to it potentially not being?
I’m glad you asked! Be right back I’m gonna grab some images to show you
The easiest comparison between the two can be found here. First image is from the switch trailer, second is from the animation teaser. They’re of the same area in green Isle of Dawn.
A lot of differences are immediately obvious; some are probably just due to the weather or place in the timeline (amount of clouds, tent locations, trees). HOWEVER, there is one major difference, and those are the mountains. How different they look isn’t something that can be explained by perspective or weather, or even time.
You can also notice that in the animation teaser, Isle looks a lot more like how it does in game. The rock formations are the exact same, the cliffs are familiar; you can even pick out Candlemaker’s cave hidden behind a tent awning if you look close enough. This theme actually shows throughout the teaser a lot; two ancestors that are present are immediately identifiable as rejecting voyager and ushering stargazer, and I have a personal theory that some prophecy students showed up as well.
It’s my belief that while the switch trailer focused on going absolutely wild with what they could do with the world, including not thinking about things like the geographical logistics of the paths the main characters took, the animation teaser is the result of a pretty quick realization that if they made Isle and its ancestors much more immediately recognizable it would hit the audience harder emotionally. It also seems like it’s telling a fairly lore significant story from what we know so far, meaning it fitting into the world easily would be more important than it was for the switch trailer. Unfortunately, this also means that the switch trailer isn’t as reliable of a source when it comes to figuring out canon, hence why I phrased it like that
You’re right — Sky can be really sad in a way people don’t give it enough credit for. But I think an important part of it is the hope threading through it all too. I mean, think about how many spirits we’ve saved, and how much progress we’ve made so far! We have celebrations with our community, we restore the environment around us, we have friends to push back the darkness with…
honestly lorechat flipped my persepctive of sky on its head in so many different ways, glad it did, i feel a lot more informed 
Same! It makes the game a lot more enjoyable
Spirits can still descend to hang out with us! Take the mochi timed event for example, or sapling quests!
still havent made time to watch all the stagehand performance guide interactions this is a crime
Well still weird since we got their memory ?
Not really! We free them, we take them to the temples to ascend, and then afterwards they can come back for any length of time in the realms. The place they go when they ascend (the Light) can be left or rejoined at any time if they desired, like how we leave it to be reborn, but they’re still spirits.
I don’t know if anyone has said this yet but during the war scene in the aurora concert it looks like it’s the people of the ancestors against the kings guards, who suit sharp and larger frames than the ancestors. Maybe the people in the kingdom realized how corrupt the king was and tried to over throw him
yaya, i mean with feast if you find yeti's footprints they ascend down, and then they go back to the sky after amount of time (menat to reply to salems help)
What if Corrupted Skykids attack other creatures and wildlife because they have Light and the Corrupted doesn't?
corrupted skykids aren't canon, though you could do whatever in your own verse. in my ficverse, they do. I liken them to small intelligent krill
$1 USD is worth 3 candles
One candle is worth $0.33 USD
discuss
I thought they retired the 3 candle pack ages ago, also what does this mean
sounds like a good deal at bath and bodyworks
eat the soap foam
yum
they banned me from the bed bath and body works on account of I ate all of those bath bombs they have
you ate Shushing Light Scholar??????
the only time they've ever been involved with eating
YOU ATE—-
banned forever
A lie. They ate once at the infamous vault competition which I will not elaborate further upon
ok I’m in an argument with someone rn and uhhh I need input
is the season of aurora cannon in sky?
react
or 
just like the moth I don't know where to go
im assuming it went well
there's no reason for the season to not be canon. some things may quite not be canon, like Aurora's self-insert, but everything else seems logical to Sky's universe.
the spirits and their stories are definitely canon at the very least
yesterday's log-in message literally said something like "today's the last day to see the concert about the history of the kingdom of sky" so
Mostly yes with some debatable parts (those parts being the first part of the concert and also everything after seed). The quests as well as the other parts of the concert are most likely canon
yeah the hard part is telling if certain things are canon or just artistic liberties -- like the bird/manta turning into darkness plants during "inhale exhale"
though that does line up with burning the darkness to free the manta (spirit?) in the last abyss quest
They ate so much Crab pizza that they now no longer need sustenance to survive. They are fueled by the power of cheese and crab 
true they don't really eat for the rest of their life
Granny out here making such filling food Shush doesn't ever need to eat again. good on her
What does anybody think winged lights are?
They are like sky kids, but what are they? 
they're called Lost Memories in the most recent version of the intro to the game so probably that
I think of them as imprints of skykids, carrying aspecs of their memories
I have my own take on wl, I think that they’re like what alasdair said but mine are specifically the imprint of many skids who have all passed through an area
Is that why we return them to the sky kids in eden who have been caught?
It’s light to ascend them, so yea
But we die in Eden.
Do we have a personal lost memory then? 
We are no better than the others who have fallen
There’s not much to really give a verdict, I personally believe it’s not fully intact but it’s still there since the ancestors bless us with their light before we are reborn, so we still maintain a few things (maybe what they give us has to do with memories we made around them)
On the last day of the concert TGC confirmed it was all canon
I’ve kinda thought of them as echoes of souls. Sky kids are reborn, but an echo probably lives on in some form (if that makes any sense).
Also seeing the butterflies turn into sky kid spirits has me
and it makes the sounds the butterflies make even cuter
My headcanon is the WL imprints are just tangles of very strong light that accumulate over time from skids being around an area
Oh also something to keep in mind! According to pre-Hispanic folklore, the migrating butterflies carried the souls of ancestors visiting from the afterlife. Which I think Sky has implemented into the story (see part in the concert where the butterflies turned into souls)
I’m wondering what this dubious creature is
That’s Oreo!
A noble steed
That’s Oreo?? I thought it was a squirrel with six legs oml
LOL
Dubious little creature who is up to no good
Idk if this is the place to talk about spirit shenanigans but headcanon that the belonging parents are siblings and not a married couple (boogie and confetti are sparkler parent's kids while hairtousle is pleaful's)
absolutely the place to talk about spirit shenanigans i do it all the time 
Hehe Hairtousle only child
Hello guys, does aurora is in the painting? the queen of Eden?
i've finished the season event and i've find out the theory that Aurora is all known Queen of Eden
Its my theory tho😅
another quarter for the jar
God is a woman and her name is Aurora 😂
Ok here’s an idea
So you know how skykids just keep going back to Eden, dying, and getting reborn? What’s the point of that? What if skykids aren’t going to free other skykids, they’re going to give light to the eden crystal
Think about it, our light has been shown to have restorative properties. And the eden crystal in the game has only CRACKED and it caused a mass extinction. Imagine what would happen if it fully shattered.
So: the powers that be in the sky world, Aurora? Elders? Something else? Needed to prevent that to save what’s left. So they create the skykids to gather light and get it to eden
We aren’t supposed to be saving the skykids that come before us, that’s just an extra perk. We’re supposed to be preventing the crystal from shattering fully. And as shown in the season of shattering, it’s not a complete fix
So after we die in Eden, the next skykids come and free us so we can be reborn. Once we’re reborn, we go do the exact same thing to the ones that freed us
given Season of Shattering, I think the Eden diamond already shattered
Maybe. But the most damage we see ingame is a chip and a large crack
are you going to explain this image you've posted with no context or
i found it on the concept artist’s website
it’s definitely changed, but i feel like it could tell us a bit about the base world https://www.tomzhao.com/sky1
Yeah this doesn’t really hold up anymore. But the basis of light creatures and dark stone still might
I guess orbit was some sort of deity?
orbit is a place
reminder that concept art is concept, not canon
I mean, if it’s inside/part of Megabird, it can be kinda a deity too
that's fair
I see Orbit as the surface of the Light. skykids cannot enter the Light like mesh among all those ascended beings but Orbit still counts as the Light
I am late but ty for answering guys 
the Light itself is a conglomerate of all ascended beings of light. Megabird, depending on your interpretation, is a manifestation of the Light, so arguably Orbit is part of a deity if you see Megabird as a deity.
I’m glad they solidified the conflict between the creatures and the people
I don’t think that bit is canon, at least not in the way this timeline depicts it. Creatures were killed for darkstone production, but the mantas in the seed section of the concert are likely war mantas; you can clearly see the ancestors attacking each other both there and in seed of hope’s quest.
yea, as the Aurora concert showed, it doesn't look like it was ancestors vs light creatures but ancestors exploiting light creatures like resources.
Does anyone know just how canon the king is? Like, I know he appears in the architecture and stuff, but it seems kinda shaky.
Someone similar to their position is canon, but from what we can tell they were not anything like the king from concept art is described to be ^^
definitely not one with an antagonistic character
does anyone know like the actual verified lore of the game or where i can find it?
¯_(ツ)_/¯
it's in our brains. we make it up a we go and piece things together. everything is a theory lol
there is some lore just not a lot
there is lore but there’s not really “actual verified lore” since the game doesn’t tell us things with words
literally the Isle intro text is the best we got and they change that once a year
Current one is nice imo tho
They change the intro text???
occasionally - most people don't notice because they always just speed through the intro cave, and because some of the changes only are noticeable on a first run through
They didn't change it yet in my language so I have to trust you guys with that 
The current one is my favorite; I wouldn’t be surprised if it was the final version! Hoping I get to talk about it more; it has a lot of interesting aspects.
I can grab the transcript if necessary for anyone
oooh can i pls see what they changed with the intro?
Yeah! Do you want to see the newest one, the one just before thwt or hoth?
Have to send them as pictures because of technical difficulties sending them as textwalls, but here you go. First picture is the old one, second is the new; they were changed Nov 29 2022
the date they changed the intro is very recent i thought it will be like back in 2021 😯 thank you!!
It’s been changed multiple times! Unfortunately I don’t have the transcript of the one before these two, but it was fairly similar to the first one posted here
Is the door back to life the mega bird's back entrance? Inquiring minds need to know
It can be if you want it to be
bruh
I will neither confirm nor deny this information
It just reminded me of a jumping house shaped like a dragon i went into as a kid
ohhhhh we thought you meant something else sorry
ohh that’s neat!!
we've seen some things very sorry for the rudeness
That bad?
oh yeah
yeah... instead I will think about bouncy castle orbit
I'm still just trying to figure out what the megabird is and how do we come from there
could be a case that they've always existed, dont know how or when but suddenly they were there and grew overtime, big bang theory kind of stuff
Megabird is the proverbial god of Sky, presumably analogous with the Light, which is a big mass of light composed of ascended beings of light. anything else is really up to your interpretation, but many consider Megabird = the Light to some capacity.
I see the Light as a hivemind and Megabird as the Light's consciousness, given power by all that intelligent light within Them, thus able to direct things regarding light
The way some are describing it makes me think of the Sikh concept of God where it's an entity made up of everyone
popping in very briefly to give a quick description of how i see Megabird!
in the post-Orbit credits, we see the camera zoom out on our planet, our solar system, further and further until all the stars form the shape of a bird - this is our galaxy, and this is Megabird's physical form, such as it is. i think Megabird as an individual is the collective consciousness of all those stars, all that Light - in that way, Megabird is everyone, and everyone has part of Megabird within them
Oooh that's beautiful, that's what I get for skipping
Megabird after the credits
Saving that
hi bestie!!!! hiiiii (waves at megabird)
[slurp]
Does Aurora fit into the lore as a deity and how?
Aurora is a real person so I don't think her self-insert is canon in-universe
the spirits definitely are canon
within my imagination normal Aurora is just an ancestor with a whole lot of light inside (this is why she's white - so much light it shines through her skin)
That was the mega bird? :0
yes, that's Megabird. please don't ping me, it's my name
it is still funny to me that the crossover seasons are the only instance of white people in sky
Can someone do a quick comparison of little prince and Aurora vs other spirits?
One of the Christmas NPCs at the office mentioned something about a new area in prairie where the elders can be found...where is this place?
do you remember exactly what the npc said?
I thought that was just the cave system
The stretching guru said there's a place in prairie where the elders "rest"
I actually have my own picture of this! it's probably talking about the idle wax area in the prairie caves
thank you past astral for also being intrigued by this
And from what I remember stretching guru is also in that cave system, correct?
I think so? I think they are
Ok thank you! I didn't know if that was a new area or foreshadowing for one.
it's not a very new area (I think) so idk why they're saying it is
Yes, it feels pretty misleading

Is there any lore related to season of aurora?
the spirit stories are definitely canon to whatever story sky is telling
Aurora is Goddess in this world if the end of the concert is to be believed.
that's a quarter in the jar
Given Aurora is a real person, I doubt her self-insert is canon
hey lore chat.
uh
female krill?
This is a genuine question. I need an answer desperately and I am sweating profusely in my chair because I don't know the answer to this question my girlfriend just asked me. My girlfriend, who has not played even an hour of Sky:COTL, or has passed IoD.
I quote her directly: "Are the sky children made of wax?"
We are made of light, ancestor spirit, and beast spirit
nah, sky kids are those balloon lantern things
we can fly and have a candle powering us
There's a theory that we have light gems inside of us similar to the gates and that's how we activate our candles, plus when you're losing wings you see a gem lose it's light
I personally just think they’re made of light that’s in a shell. given when we die in eden, we have a blue spark similar to ancestors, and when you light an ancestor well, light comes from the cracks
maybe...
...we are all just fancy glowing lamps
You could perhaps imagine her like an actress taking on a role to tell a story via the songs. like in Titanic, leonardo wasnt actually there, but playing a role to tell a story! Or a voice actor might be more appropriate 
Oh yeah that can work!
I like to think of lore that’s found in concept art and such as legends within the world itself
So stories regarding an “Alef” have been passed down by some but it is just legend so it can be proven false at a later point
Doesn’t make any real difference in reality, it’s just framing dubious canonicity through a diagetic lens and lets some aspects not be completely discarded while firmly distinguishing them from more veritable lore
the thing with concept art - speaking as an artist and learned game designer - is that there might be many things and ideas that come up during development that are being deliberately changed or discarded, because they maybe don't fit the aesthetic or intended purpose or world's lore that you established
even in-universe lore and stories have to be carefully crafted with intention. like, the paintings we see in caves are the legends of that world, and for all we know, they might be from an unreliable narrator and not be 'true' or accurate but they are stories and legends that exist in the sky world.
stories from concept art are not. (though you may headcanon them that way, certainly)
i misread guru as gru
What is the giant diamond in the last part of Eden?
yessss yessssssssss
assuming the diamond is a solid entity, probably the same thing as in the ||final memory of the shattering shard that blew the elders away||
though it also looks like the diamond shaped space we fly through ||after we die in eden|| sooooo idk
it is now tsadi tuesday
first tsadi Tuesday of the year!
FIRST TSADI TUESDAY OF 2023!!!!
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One of botanists hints is they like sour foods and pioneer also likes sour candy, runs in the family
team bigman representatives
team big man :D
slink do you play splatoon?
Yes I do! :]
are you also team sour :0
sour gang rise up!!! we will lose to sweet and that's ok
pssst are you two open to switch friend requests?
team sour ftw (we will all lose but it's okay)
omg so many team sourlings
sour is good 
Based sour ☝️
Nintendo summoning 5,000 unnamed transmascs to vote team sour
it's the pickles isn't it
I don't even like pickles
it's the lime chips for me
it's the sour Skittles for me
sour skittles, sour straws
My lips r too dry for sour food
Skill issue
Sour gummies
the perks of liking sour food:
most people don't want your food and you get to keep it
More like hydration issues
sour gummi watermelons tho
i was dreaming of this!
What aesthetic/culture/anything is Season of Flight based on? I love it so much... 
cool and epic people aesthetic
they are just the bestest
Inuit and indigenous Siberian
there's also some central Asian influences. granted, none of these are confirmed, but the similarities have been noted before
Okay question..
What do we know.. about eden?
Edens past? Cuz some murals depict it as light..?
Why does darkness seem to come from eden then?
And what are dark dragons?
Also... the war seen in aurora season...
Tho this is probably what everyone wants to know...
some people theorize that eden was originally a beacon/light source, but something happened and it corrupted
#lore-discussion-spoilers message
Alasdair explains it a lot better than i just did in the last two paragraphs of this ^^
actually that entire message is super helpful
Thank you!
you're welcome 
next time please don't ping me tho
That answers so many questions..
Omg.. so much makes sooo much more sense..
And i guessed like half the lore semi correctly in my short 3 months of playing.. xD
But i had alot to take in with past seasons so i could peice together more quickly then ppl who were fed breadcrumbs all these years...
Am super hooked.
Man I miss flight, this might just be Moth Season Nostalgia but it was nice being able to hug the season guide after the darkness leeched in
Plus my favorite cosmetics are from that season
So I just completed the Trials. And the last mural is interesting. It seems to depict the locals almost worshipping the very first skykid of light who completed all 4.
Maybe rather than seeing the child pass away and continue the cycle of reincarnation the Elders tried to harness/trap the skykid in the giant power diamond only for it to shatter and cause the devastation that we see now
Actually, a moth's colour palette is a bit similar to a candle's colour palette, but that might be just an artistic decision of the developers
Why would the elders trap a kid in a horrible fate like that for no reason? I don’t think they’d do it just for jealousy, that seems wrong
They do glow like candles tho, I like to think it's because their body is semi-transparent and emits light they stored within their body !
Mr sandman
Bring me a drink
make it the wettest that i've ever drank
who could this mural be of? it feels like aurora to me but i’m not well versed enough in the lore to make that my theory
just like the moth I don't know where to go
Ya it is, appeared in the trailer for the season announcement, lil Easter egg
the performance troupe is made of aurora stans
oh cool! ty 
mellow musician plays her songs 25/8
Upon hearing about Dusk getting stabbed, the Performance troupe’s only comment was “if they had streamed Aurora this wouldn’t have happened”
I had this plan for a fic where it basically went
Warrior of Love: Hey racebuds wanna worship aurora
Backflipping Champion: Lmao no ask the theater kids
Warrior of Love: Hey theater penguins wanna worship AURORA
Performance Troupe: hell yes
Why would you worship Aurora? Do you worship famous singers or something?
Some do. Celebrity worship is wild
Yeah, I just wouldn’t understand it if it’s from the members of the same troupe
Careful before you summon the Harry Stilettos
I think I like this concept best for Aurora personally ^^
Aurorabird
Hm?
tbh i would love aurora to be canon to the lore from a character standpoint bc her presence in the game is interesting (i love especially her giant form). but bc she’s a real person, it doesn’t make sense for her to be canon in a story that is so unique and separated from the real world
i think that if you want your version of the very handwavy lore to include "aurora" you totally could
just like the moth I don't know where to go
handwavey?
oh yeah if anyone wants aurora to be a part of their version of lore go for it! she has a lot of potential for cool hcs
i just personally have a hard time seeing her as a character bc she’s real lol
I just doubt she's a god. I don't think TGC would shoehorn a whole new deity based on a real person into the lore out of nowhere
if she actually WAS a character in the game then i think it’d be cool if she was a skykid like us! bc that’s what the players are
tho it wouldn’t make sense bc of everything she does in the concert 
and also because she's white
true!
the lore isnt set in stone. most of it is fan theories! so if your personal fan theory includes aurora in it then thats totally chill and valid, just like someone who doesnt include her is also chill and valid. thats just my take tho
ah I see I think I misunderstood what you meant at first
i'm still on the fence about it because aurora is a real person but i like to think that maybe an aurora-like figure is telling us these stories through song the same way a lot of parents/grandparents like,,, set kids down and tell them stories of their time or teach them cultural songs. and maybe some of it is just visual metaphor, especially the end part where she becomes large lol.
even if Aurora as a character/person isn't canon the stories she's telling are, I think
I sorta see Aurora as a vessel for the story she's telling the skykids.
yeah i’m pretty sure on the last day of the season the game said “listen to sky’s history” or something like that
new fun fan theory: aurora is the voice of the megabird. thats it thats the theory. i have no evidence to support this its fun to think about
i’m like i HAVE to be lore accurate but sometimes things are cool and don’t make sense and that’s fun
sometimes we get silly in chat and that can be as fun if not more fun that being serious about it
u are so right
the megabird is a white woman with jellyfish hair /j
I am suddenly envisioning an alternate version ofThe Little Prince as The Mega Prince and seeing his spectral form towering above us…. terrifying
that reminds me i heard theres a special area that came from season of little prince and i really wanna see it 😭 the little prince questline made me cry it was so pleasant. i wish i'd been there when it happened
The asteroid belt is nice to see but there isn’t really anything to do there
frog
phrog
Some folks may have the cape to bring you along or even leftover spells for you to try it on ! It doesn't wield much lore as it's more of a cameo of the book's characters, asteroids and St Exupery's plane, but it's still really cool to take screenshots in.
One of the thing that I just realized in the lore of AURORA is that in Through The Eyes of a Child, the spirits in that song aren't 'spirits', but they are all statues. It's actually really odd cuz throughout the whole concert, all spirits are in there 'spirits' form except in this part.
does anyone know why in this image skykid have these horns? Or whatever is it
When we were doing season of shattering the krill memory was supposed to be the last so I think that krills come from the big gem shattering
Hmm, the elder memory was the last one though, I think kill was second to last one
They’re in their homestuck era dw about it
An announcement was made about it that the krill was supposed to be the last one
Oh actually? Was in in news? I guess I missed that somehow
Mind giving a link/source cause I don't remember that either
Iirc, back when the last quest was still being tested in beta the devs explicitly said the elders memory was the final quest
Are darkens plants carnivorous? Because they seem to trap/target creatures of light a lot.
That would imply light creatures are made of meat
Light flesh
Juice
light juice
like a cactus
Absorbing the SOUP
Unironically imagining light creatures being like these but with light
That makes a lot of sense actually, especially for jellyfish
Actually a good question, I have no idea. I would assume the horns are just to make it super obvious they’re wearing a mask, or to allude to the headpiece cosmetics (like Hermit’s horns for instance) but I’m not sure
Maybe our ancestors had horns but now we don't because evolution 
The icon might have been kept from older versions, some sky kids had masks with really pointy ends, looking like horns, back in some of the initial concept arts
Or, they're not horns but antenna
The ancestors don’t have horns or antennae either, though
Probably not! She is a real person, and it would be weird if she was shoehorned in while never having been referenced before in the world. It’s much more likely she’s kind of like a voice actor, filling the role of something else
Besides, I don’t think the collab seasons are canon anyways
They are actually!
I dont think aurora herself is cannon fully but i definitely think the stories she sings are
Oh weird, wonder where I heard that from
Yes 100% yes
Usually crossovers aren’t considered canon due to shoehorning but the devs really worked well to integrate other media into the Sky universe so it would be almost disrespectful to outright dismiss every collab season as not canon
That’s a good point, I have to agree there
to me anything can be lore, like even small things, it helps with world building imo. Warrior of loves quest showed entertainment in valley with manta races every when they were being captured. Things like that can be lore, doesn’t just have to big events like the war, though of corse that’s important too
Heck we learn about the history of how food was modified because we find it interesting, wouldn’t even eat bananas a thousand years ago yet now we can, small things can help enrich the world is what I’m trying to say
Same for shattering, a lot of people like to argue it’s not lore but like? We got a look of what the explosion could’ve been liked on a smaller scale. And while I don’t agree the poems should be social media only, they give insight to how plenty sky creatures were before the decline when eden exploded, and the last memory with the elders like??? And folks still say there’s no lore
my best guess is probably because some of the masks do have horns? like the masks with the headpieces that look like horns
Yep, and I think said character has been in the game since the very beginning through the voice in Orbit, like I don’t think it’s something the devs made up for the collab season
Oh yeah wasn’t she the vocals for the orbit ascent song? Plus it plays during the concert transition before mindfuls song with our skykids singing in harmony so it wasn’t as sparattic decision to ask a singer to make a collab season on the fly
Ik the mural in harmony hall is a marketing hint but I love the fact the Preformance crew are cannon aurora stans
Yeah I think the voice in orbit is canon too and not just another soundtrack, specially with the added detail that sky kids can sing along
makes them even more blorbo material
I KNOOOWWWWwww (i love the preformance crew ^-^)
I am new to this game, is there a way to get a quick rundown of the lore? I don't really get everything that is going on in the story 😔
I think if anything, rather than some goddess or queen, Aurora is just as she is represented in the game - a singer and storyteller who takes us on journeys through magical visions and memories via her songs
I still think there is lore to be read from the memories we can visit, such as war and exploitation of light creatures, but I think how we see them have been filtered through legends and stories that have been passed on (inside the concert, quite literally from the spirits to Aurora, and from Aurora to us)
Same here! The ancestor and creature stories told in AURORA are really interesting; unfortunately from what we’ve been asked, it seems like most people are focusing on surface level “omg Aurora is a god?” takes which is a shame
thats REALLY deep fam
lmao
why are some crabs different colors?
soil composition
because they can be
crabs don't care what humans think (good for them unbothered icons)
crabs are different colors bc they are just silly lil guys
Crabs are different colors depending on how ripe they are
is there anywhere i could read about the lore from beginning to end?
Maybe because of the environment they are in? Like those crabs that seem to glow blue in hidden forest for example, and the crabs who look dull and colorless in wasteland
sky isn't really the kind of game to have something like this
i understand ty ^^
it does a really good job of reinforcing that ur just a person going through the remnants of a once proud civilization but it can be frustrating at times how little is given
at least to me anyway but I might be biased
Yknow when I was watching the concert recording I was mostly getting megabird vibes from aurora in the songs, especially when she’d just turn into a light ball
Hi, does anyone have the big document of most likely canon lore + popular theories? I remember something like that when I was active here a few years ago, I belive it was pinned but it doesn't seem to be there now.
I'm making a video about sky lore and it would be very useful to find agian
What are your theories on the statues we save in Eden? I’m trying to think of what the could be, but I’m not sure 
considering you meet a similar fate at the end when you run out of wing light, these statues are other burnt out skykids
this may help? https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit it's baudshaws favorite doc to give to people new to lore iirc
Do you ever wonder if there are Skykids that do not like hugs
me sometimes
Skykids that hate hugs be like: endless honking until you go away
or they could just not accept it
Does anybody know where I can find cutscene discriptions and texts?
It depends on the cutscene. I have a transcript of every splash text and the stuff you see when you first go into Isle, but that’s about it
Does anyone here remember what the small "(?)" signs in the seasonal constellations were for? I couldn't finish the Aurora constellation (or any other season) in time to see for myself
those are just for 100% completion and do nothing iirc
Iirc didn't those unlock a final cutscene in older seasons? Or was that only in Light Awaits?
yes, seasons like belonging I think. it's a remnant due to some spaghetti code
Oh alright, thank you
I was just a bit afraid I might've missed something important
Tho on second thought if there was a final 100% cutscene it would've been posted on here by now so my question was dumb
From Gratitude to Rhythm it was how you viewed the final cutscene (AP 100% only,) and before seasonal hearts were introduced you'd obtain the ultimate reward after watching the cutscene. It was then moved to seasonal quest lines starting Enchantment, so yeah it's just left over code, it's not a dumb question since it's not clear to many that it's only a congratulatory message for 100%
God I wished this was still a thing, imagine a cutscene after getting all elder ults💔
i just learned something SO COOL. so i realized in sanctuary islands when in the cave the crabs are white, but if I carry it outside it turns gray, then back in it goes white again. and that reminded me of something i learned about a cave salamander called the olm who lives it's entire life in complete darkness, but it's white/slightly pink skin retains the ability to produce melanin when exposed to light in a process called melanogenesis, where it will darken! The pigment in the animal's skin is photosensitive!!! And the crabs at least in sanctuary seem to be the same!!!!!!! (The science might not be exactly correct I just read wikipedia)
HOLY HECK I LOVE THIS IDEA
Ooo that’s super cool!
we do it too when we tan in the sun, im not sure if it's the same process or just similar
so it's like the crabs are tanning really fast XD
something else I noticed but not sure about, it seemed like in the cave on their own they had less little globs of darkness on them, but when I pick one up more appear?
human skin tans and darkens thanks to melanocytes, cells that produce melanin, in order to protect ourselves against UV rays. long exposure to sunlight can make melanocytes produce more melanin but there are other triggers such as physical trauma (in fact, I experience hyperpigmentation, creating dark scars but some people experience hypopigmentation, creating lighter scars).
ohhhh I see!
science!
it's why people in hotter areas with more sunlight evolved to have darker skin while people in colder areas with less sunlight evolved to have lighter skin.
(btw don't ping me, says so in my name)
sorry, does ping mean reply or @?
Bill Nye was right science does rule
ping is the @, you can still reply but make sure you turn off pings when you do
ah thank you! more learning
now I want to do more crab investigation. what crabs in hidden forest are you referring to?
The ones that are inside the small tunnel near the candle cake
in hide and seek cave yeah
Hello I just want to say that I notice that the sun in home space are bigger then the other realms
yeah those do have kind of a blue glow that the sanctuary ones don't. they don't change color when i bring them outside, but that could be due to the 'eternal darkness' of cloud coverage. oh wait it does turn gray in a bright patch
Brought it up in Eden chat, but what if the reason no player has yet to actually reach the giant glowing angry diamond at the center of the Eye of Eden, is because there's some sort of Chosen One-type shenanigans going on, and we'll end up finding out after 5 billion hours worth of lore digging/ARG/ect. who is the one to finally reach it and kick off the next major events of the game.
That would be really cool and I’d love it, but sadly I doubt it’s the case
the flashing color when exposed to heat, is it the same as the threat display? perhaps a generalized stress response?
Likely set by the end to have one of the most active/top/ect. players be the one who gets to be immortalized as the one who finally touches it and gives us new lore/begins the likely extremely long process of slowly undoing the darkness.
maybe, however: the games themes
when im carrying a crab near other crabs in sanctuary, the other crabs don't attack, but the one I'm holding kind of explodes
i can't think of an explanation for this
that might just be coding jank
it may be that the Eden diamond isn't our purpose
Well now I’m curious; what do you think our purpose is?
to have fun and be silly
maybe help clean up the ruins of an ancient civilization a bit but that's not important
i vote for the having fun and being silly more than cleaning up
¯_(ツ)_/¯
The intro does urge us to free the spirits, so imo skykids were sent there to find and free ancestors stuck in darkness, but are otherwise free to do as they please
like politely ignoring the laws of physics or having a nice meal
I do know that the first thing on our minds when we wake up is a memory of Eden, that repeats but slowly becomes less important as we continue through the realms… the camera also zooms in on Eden when describing the destiny we have to fulfill in the new intro.
I’m thinking either
- fixing or trying to fix Eden is our skykid’s main destiny and they’re doing the rest along the way
or, my currently preferred option - helping the spirits and elders are our skykid’s purpose, like Vela said, but something about Eden lures us towards trying to fix it as well even after we know doing so is useless
The second option feels more right because, if we were sent down with a ‘purpose’, I’d think it would be the more easily achievable one that would save the most people and not the thing we have almost no chance of succeeding it. The intriguing aspect of this is wondering what exactly draws our skykid there so much and why it’s so important to us
Of course, having a purpose and a destiny isn’t the same thing, and it’s possible our skykid has the second but not strictly the first ^^
thinking about the crabs (and jellyfish ?) being lured in by light in the shattering poems, as well as sneezing geographer's books where light creatures rise around Eden when it shines bright...
I don’t know if it’s just that… as we get closer to the mountain, when it should be brighter and hypothetically draw us in more, it becomes less important to us. We stop thinking about it during every elder cutscene; instead, we focus on other things like the spirits and elders. Also, if it were just us being attracted to the light, it would be from the moment we first saw it, and not as a memory we have even before that
It might be part of it, but I doubt that’s the only reason
What if the reason that most light creatures migrate towards Eden is because the eden diamond looks kinda like orbit and therefore tricks their (instinctual?) senses into coming near it. Kinda like how a moth is drawn to a flame, even though the flame kills it.
Edit: clarification
ooo
perhaps because of meeting all these spirits and experiencing their memories, Eden itself becomes less and less important to our skykid,signaling that they rather want to help those trapped there instead?
This is a wonderful question.
I feel like the purpose is to simply explore, learning and growing through each experience. All of us are thrown into this world and fumble through the darkness until we start to light each other's candles.
I think Eden peaks our interest because it's this mystical place. 
It's eerie and there isn't really any preparation for what Eden is, but our natural journey of exploration gives us a glimpse. It allows us to work ourselves up to visiting a place we learn is scary.
or doing those at the same time
Honk, tip over crab, and arson.
i think that skids are drawn to eden because it seems just about every other light creature is drawn there as well. to put it one way, it's p much in their bones.
I think it’s deeper than just having our interest piqued personally; at the start of the game, when we should have no memories and we’ve just woken up on the beach for the first time, we remember Eden. Which is really weird, right? That same memory appears again when we start Dawn’s cutscene and behind Day during theirs, then doesn’t show up again…
It’s so important to us that it’s the only thing we remember from our past life
and we do see other light creatures just vibin as well. so they feel drawn to it, but not a strong enough pull to make them go always.
Like, you can’t get much more important than that. It’s definitely not just a fascination with how pretty or bright it is at that point. Our skykid shouldn’t have even seen it yet, and yet they remember and are drawn intensely to it. It’s the first thing they ever think about, which is insane to me. Why?
I’d also like to think its different for each skykid :) sure theres that Eden memory but the context + how they interpret it varies
this makes a lot of sense, i only noticed it during dawn's. not only good on you for spotting it, but, yea. it just makes sense.
Okay. I'm sorry to ask. Which memories are you referring to us remembering?
I don't recall that we're given memories of Eden during the very beginning of the game.
(I'm sorry if the question feels redundant. I'm just drawing a blank
)
I am also confused about it being the very first thing we think about 
No it’s fine! I had to think a bit to realize it was a memory. Just enter the Isle portal and you’ll see a short cutscene where Eden appears first, then various shots of the desolate Isle.
The Eden bit specifically is a memory for a few reasons:
1] We shouldn’t be able to see Eden at all from where we’re standing. The hill in front of us blocks us entirely.
2] The color palette doesn’t resemble how Eden actually looks now — as in, the memory is all tinted yellow-gray, instead of a dark mountain with a yellow beam and blue sky, which is how we’d see it looking at it from afar now.
3] Eden is way too detailed. From Isle, you only see it as a distant vague silhouette, but in the memory you see it really clearly
The first thing you think about bit depends on whether you consider the part where we wake up in Home and then go through the Isle portal canon or not. If you do, it’s our first memory, which is still very important — the difference is small enough that I didn’t see the point of having a whole tangent paragraph about it
omg my stupid idiot self thought it was just the temple for isle of dawn it was showing us 💀 that makes so so so so SO much more sense
This is the Eden xe is talking about. It appears every time you enter Isle and when moths are newly born
Ohhh I just noticed there’s no beam
that makes so much more sense why did i think it was a temple 😭
the Eden castle could've been a temple for the Eden Elder, if the Eden Elder a) exists or 2) had a temple
I reflexively skipped past the cutscene for ages, and most people don’t go into Isle a lot, I don’t blame you for not catching it!
<<<goes to Isle a lot
Isint the castle way higher than that in orbit? Wouldn’t that make this a still frame the moment it was ripped apart or somthing?
Like look, there’s just the solid point of light. But no beam
so that tiny little white thing with the flare of light around it, that's the diamond ?
I’ve been trying to go into isle before anything after Eden runs just to watch the cutscene for my skykid
(I do similar things in other games too dw)
yknow what, now that I can upload videos again, I should get a video of that cutscene. brb
Probably! I couldn’t think of what else it would be.
If this is also the moment the explosion happened, like Tac is talking about, it explains the color palette — remember when shard explosions happen and the sky around the mountain turns a bright white
yea, and the lens flare around it gets way bigger (and redder)
That begs the question tho on how moths know this though
perhaps they're made with memories of Eden
Oooh!!!! Okay, I see. Thank you for sharing your view of that!! 
that makes me really think....when we first play the game, it isn't our moth's "first" time being reborn?
-i would send that gif of a kitten getting the png missle explosion but I can’t send gifs here-
new variation on the clayshell theory: made of calm eden rocks
Based on the phrasing of the new intro, it seems to be our first time!
*At last, you return to this world. Remember, Child —
your **light** is a gift.*
All are **given breath by starlight**.
The first of us lived in joy that we would one day **return to the stars.**
Together, we **built a Kingdom** in the clouds.
We **connected the seven realms** with the power of **starlight.**
But then the **sky went dark**, and our Kingdom **shattered.**
Many of us are still **trapped** in these realms.
Please, Child… Bring your **light** to our fallen **spirits.**```
I’d say so, maybe it’s like with kids in real life where many don’t start retaining their memories until they’re toddler age, plus I think after your first rebirth the game mentions the real journey starts here
maybe The Bird hadn’t bothered to yeet them down yet, but unfortunately they only did so when it was too late
Eden castle upon entering Isle cutscene
i want to know just how exactly the 'sky went dark' and why, who or what was responsible, ect 😭
Eden explosion or somthing nobody knows for sure, as with most skylore
it may have been due to air pollution making it look like the stars fell. or at least that’s one interpretation I’ve heard
Been messing with the idea that Eden exploding is the last thing they saw before they died the first time. Like, the image is so imprinted in their brain it kind of… carried over so to speak, and that’s why it’s so vivid
so badly do i want to know just what that giant diamond in eden was used for/meant for/why it's there/why it exploded/why it's raining darkness on the realms/ect aaaa
im going Crazy
okay you jest but that's genuinely one of my ideas of what skykid shells are made out of – meteorites. now, you may ask, where those meteorites may come from? well, there is an asteroid belt orbiting the Light, you can see it while ascending in addition to other debris.
wait now I'm thinking
Oughhhhh
( offtopic but here comes the hurricane started playing when you sent that and it sent me into emotional whiplash😭)
what I think is that it was used to sap the power of the ascension beam to help power the kingdom, but that was Not A Good Idea
I know light encodes memories, but what if skykids are not just composed of meteorites from the asteroid belt orbiting the Light but that asteroid belt contains fragments of Eden that was yeeted into Orbit? skykids borne of the death of Eden
Does anyone have any theories on why Eden has a heartbeat? 
That’s the fun of skylore since a lot of it isint sent in stone, all that I know for certian that the same person we see in the final prophecy mural is possibly the same one who is also in the eden mural
i honestly thought it was our heartbeat, but im also curious 
So the giant diamond in Eden is something called darkstone; it’s that blue rock you light with your candle to make doors and mechanisms move. It’s this crystal-like material that absorbs light and uses it for energy.
This diamond was placed over the beam, the largest light source in the kingdom, although we’re unsure if the beam was active at that time. Due to unknown reasons, it ‘corrupted’, turning it a vivid red and making it so that instead of just using light for power when it was given, it sucked in all the light it could around it
It has been compared to a black hole quite a bit, with the clouds surrounding Eden as similar to an accretion disk and the beam like a quasar
Oooohhh. That's a cool idea!! 
I forgot the diamond is implied to be made of darkstone help-
I don’t know what else it could be 💀 I would say confirmed instead of implied
omg the idea of the diamond being a black hole is so cool 😭
Sinister potion /ref /j
so the theory is that someone (or someones) tried to put that darkstone over the beam to get unlimited energy?
I’d say that’s possibly it (yet again it’s not soild on why it was done)
It’s just a really hungy krill /j
Not necessarily; another theory is that the beam had gone dim at that time and they were trying to use the diamond to bring it back. It’s one of the two, we don’t know which yet
AUGH IM GOING INSANE
Sky lore does that
just thought of another thing: why is it that us skykids need to, essentially, learn/relearn how to emote? unless that just falls within the 'no memories besides a vivid one of eden' thing
Unfortunately, a lot of evidence we have for how everything with the diamond went down could be used as evidence for either theory. 😔 for instance, the beam not being present at the moment of explosion could be taken as either
- the diamond had absorbed all of it and had only just shattered, so not enough of it had escaped
or - the diamond had only just started absorbing light from everywhere around it and hadn’t been filled up enough to start spewing out the beam
Interestingly, I got a glitch in Eden recently where I got tossed really high above the diamond after I died for a bit, and from what I can tell it does in fact look like the beam is coming from the diamond rather than around it. Let me grab a picture
The first picture shows the bottom/below the diamond the best, while the last one shows the top the most. As you can see, there’s no beam underneath the diamond, but there is one coming out of it
looking intensely

Also, the beam is tinted red, presumably by the diamond
OHOHO 
muy interesante
This isn’t strictly confirmed and is more theory, but I believe limbo takes place within the diamond because we got sucked in (and eventually escape). When the beam appears there, it appears from in front of us, within the diamond, as opposed to below us
bringing this back down to see ur take
I think they're learning (/relearning?) how to express the emotions they feel
because suggesting that they don't feel will very swiftly become a whole lot of ableist nonsense
It’s because we’re kids! We remember some stuff from our past, but it’s fragmented and hard to make sense of. Meaning one of the things we have to relearn is how to express the Thousands of Emotions now pent up within us
I personally think skykids are still new but were made with memories of Eden since the Eden calamity was a really big honking deal, yknow
yeah! the whole being reborn thing too
like a baby learning to walk but instead relearning how.
another really dumb question probably answered... why is it that all of the spirits are dead? was it like, a somewhat slow extinction event from the diamond, was it the darkness that rained down, ect? but yet, wildlife seems just fine?
pretty sure the explosion was so massive that it wiped nearly everyone/ or the dangers emerging from the aftermath
some of the valley spirits died in very silly ways unrelated to the calamity
^^^ this as well
the consequences of the Eden calamity as well as the darkness pollution definitely set the world on hardcore mode and the ancestors weren't skilled enough to survive
We don’t know how exactly they all died yet, but it was definitely because of the disaster, directly or indirectly. The wildlife isn’t as plentiful as it used to be — we know that from some of the shattering memories that are absolutely filled with creatures — but they came back easier because they’re born easier. You can see birds just kinda manifesting out of light sometimes; although we don’t have tons of light creature lore, something along those lines was probably involved
(sorry for my dumb questions) so then once they were killed and find their "bodies" encrusted in darkness, us lighting them frees them from the darkness so they can then ascend properly once we go through eden ?
mhm!
ooohohoh okay i see i see
so they're pretty much just physically dead but their spirits remain and can relive in the realms as they please, as we see with the ancestor spirits and grandma
Yeah with one difference! For spirits we take them to the elder of their realm to ascend. The petrified people we ascend in Eden are skykids!
yeah that's ifhgodfg what i meant, im not good at wording stuff 
you’re good! wording is a fickle beast 🙃
this is so cool to think about 
YEAH IVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT IT A LOT TOO
I have a massive limbo and WL theory I keep forgetting to post here but alas, I don’t have time to post it tonight
oooo 👁👁
I'll try to remind you in the morning if I remember (I make no guarantees)
i just thought of something: when we relive the beckoning spirit (that's what it's called right-) and we see the skykid in the sand, they don't look like our moth...they're unlit, so to speak
why is that?
ushering stargazer? it's theorized that that kid is the one in the prophecy murals I like referring to them as One (short for chosen one iirc)
YEAH that one!
hmm it could be the story of the first skykid, or Resh as some theorize
but why are they unlit? how come we dont see them as a moth just like us?
since they were the first they may not have known how to project cosmetics like we can
adds to the mystique :) /hj
or graphical limitations lmao it's hard to say
why do we know how to do that too, if we're being brought into this world for the first time much like that skykid?
even as just a moth, we have hair, our mask, the clothes, ect before finding our first winged light and our cape
i apologize for my barrage of questions aaa 
have you considered how the moon phase affects this?
nono its fine!! just hard to fully answer? as said before Sky is ambiguous as hell and refuses to explain certain things too much.
Skybot not now
can I join in? 
yeti of course you can :)
i wonder what the reason was for the first skykid to fall? were they summoned? how long did civilization live without the skykids? are they being summoned to this world because of the whole darkstone incident that was happening/happened?
it's possible that this isn't our first time, the first time we pick up the game
also, please ignore skybot he likes interrupting and disrupting the flow of conversation
have crabs de-evolved?
but wouldn't this prove otherwise? the monologue as we're going through the cave before entering isle of dawn? 
im not saying it'd be impossible, but possibly a bit contradictory :0
there's one word that everything I'm saying hinges on and it's "return"
isn't exactly something you'd say to someone going somewhere for the first time, yeah?
oh yeah true, i totally missed that
ffff aaahhh this is driving me nuts
so it's more plausible that we're being reborn from something, this isn't our first time, but
aahhhhhh
sometimes it really is the small details that pull everything together
why is the elder in Vault looks sad?
they eated too many bees /j
so then it's just this endless cycle of being reborn, dying at eden, and being reborn again?
and the skykids we freed at eden stay free, and the statues there are from a 'new' wave of summoned kids?
scientifically speaking.. crabs are peak evolution....
those other skykids also go through the Eden cycle - it's a widespread cycle of freeing kids and being freed
was the first skykid to go to eden trying to do something about the diamond?
considering how the very last statue is insanely close to it
they probably all are, is what I'd guess
rrrr my theory brain is going insane
this is a good game for it
this game is making me turn into one of those memes where there's a bunch of notes on a coakboard with pins stuck in them and red yarn threading everything together as a connected web ighfogfgh
if you go delving into the internet - you'll probably see a lot of people using concept art to prove their theories, but concept art isn't canon so their theories often have little to no basis in terms of the actual game sky
something to keep in mind if you do your own research, concept art can be good for inspiration but make sure the game backs up your theories as well
(okay i love the neko atsume emote 🥺 )
and yeah i dont really tend to lean towards concept art since concepts can be entirely different from what's actually shown in game
that's why I never have a confident tone in my messages if I'm just saying something from memory lmao I'm not a terribly credible source all things considered
it's still so fun to think about though aaa
this is pretty late to the discussion but now that im viewing the eden custcene as a memory maybe it's a memory right after the eden calamity/diamond explosion happened?? bcuz of the the smoke(?) around im sorry if this has been pointed out or implied already but im having some ✨ realizations ✨
also just realized that after the several times i went to eden we did not simply wake up on the ground at home space, we were ascended to orbit became stars once again then fell to the world. this makes me think about some of the theories that maybe some time went by before we were born again and we also become one of the statues in eden and we need to wait for another sky kid to save us but bcus game mechanics and etc we dont have to wait that long. also add in the fact that we're dead and maybe time doesn't flow the way we're used to
whats ur theories for the sky kid that we hug after death? when i first did eden i thought it was also us? kinda like our past memories going into our new body because when we hug them a bright light happens then we see what our sky kid actually looks like? idk how to explain it aaaa but kinda like what happened to scaramouche if u know and played genshin
sorry for the rambles hfdjkf the more i think about sky lore the more my brain explodes

My theory is that it’s whoever gives us light when we statue-ify, but that’s personal headcanon
There are many theories out there that are more based on the current popular theories, such as thinking it’s the king
i thought it was like, our light self? like we the player control the physical part of the sky kid and the light half is chillin there like "👀 mom pick me up",,
and that actually makes sense if sky kids are actually pieces of the king/prince alef, and the figure in the pity room is alef
(i hope this makes sense i'm a lil groggy)
i was thinking about the eden blast itself and how it killed the ancestors and i was curious how there aren’t really signs of a massive explosion/blast wave in the ruins of each realm! especially in the vault bc the ancestors there died inside and that place is physically the closest. the only physical evidence of massive destruction that i can think of is in eden itself! so to me that would mean that the shattering blast focused only on light/life maybe?
especially bc an explosion that large that reaches all the way to the isle would have much more of an impact on the terrain
I mean wasteland and vault with starlight desert are well, deserts, the closest to eden so I think any dirt was turned to sand in a way. And with the rest of the realms so high up as seen with the decent into wasteland from valley they could’ve avoided the initial shockwave, either that or the eden explosion doesn’t follow the laws of physics for explosions irl
maybe! which makes me ask how the ancestors would’ve died if they were safe in the higher realms
We got the shards, i wouldn’t put it past that a couple accidents happened at a much frequent and rapid pace. the explosion could’ve ripped the kingdom apart so badly that the ancestors that did survive could’ve died out overtime. No guidance from the elders assuming they’re dead
Oh wait this remember me of the isle intro where it mentions “all is given breath by starlight” it would be cool if elders could give life to the ancestors, being their starlight. An extention of their hearts, if they die, their people die maybe.
They already ascend spirits to the stars, maybe they bring life to them in a way. Like an ancestor making a statue of their child and bringing it for the elder to bless them as the statue is brought to light. Could explain the lil cores in their chest, hardens starlight. Ancestors do seem to have a shell on them before we light them up
ofcorse that’s probably not the case
probably brain rotting to hard but it’s a cool idea to think about how connected elders and ancestors could be
Awooga
I suppose the devs made the winged light in the last Shattering memory a hug as a reference to that scene, to confirm that it’s the Eden Elder.
Speaking of Eden, with the 2 or so times I've actually done a run so far there, I've seen what seems like a castle of some sorts after death we see on the way up floating on a huge rock, but seemingly never actually fly to, only past. And it feels like the true key to all the mysteries is in that thing, if we could actually enter it/get to it pre-death.
Especially since it seems like the kind of thing you'd find an elder inside, like the others.
Honestly, that would be extremely cool, if via convoluted shenanigans the devs set it so someone who is active/skilled enough is chosen to be the one who can actually breach the invisible wall near that diamond thing, and it basically yeets them all the way up to that castle thing itself. Letting them enter it, and being able to see the Eden elder in their true form there reveal the full truth of how things got so bad and other mysteries revealed that could either be grand, or paint the elders in a much worse light based on what is shown. Leaving the player who finally gets all this info to have a choice in-game to either let the world know the truth of what all happened and lower the Eden castle down onto the diamond for all to explore it, or bury it forever sealing the Eden castle and having it lift up to the stars to vanish forever.
And no matter which happens, the devs have it be the canon next part of the lore.
Does it really confirm that’s the Eden Elder?
Reading all the convo I missed about the Eden memory in Isle and using every fiber of my body to resist the urge to post the "skids are the Eden elder" meme for the hundredth time
For that reason it seems unlikely that Eden blast itself killed all the ancestors in one go. Rather it was the hostile conditions after the Eden calamity that killed them off overtime
Is there a sky story or like a what we know about sky lore so far like I’d there a full timeline/story I can red or watch
Probably just because we’re seeing them in a spirit memory, so they look a bit different! Also because they just fell
Theoretically, would a Skykid survive lava or temperatures hotter than fire?
I don't see why not
from what we know, skykids seem to mostly be made of light and ?soul? ?matter?
standing directly in fire doesn't seem to hurt them, quite the opposite
so it seems like heat doesn't affect them much - light (or darkness) does
We can get in bonfires without being hurt (they recharge us too), I could see Skykids walking on lava without sinking since I headcanon they're really light !
throw one in lava they get supercharged
I have the same opinion on this theory as I do on eating bees: I could be convinced if it was done a very specific way (and you’re doing it right)
this is fine meme but its actually fine
Hi lore chat ! A warning.
I don’t feel afraid I feel delighted. I hope they come back for dob this year
crab whisperer’s in your walls
I hope my drywall tastes good
Does anyone know when the animation is coming out? 👀
And also, is the animation canon?
What's the big Dimond in eden?
The animation project and its teaser is almost definitely canon! In fact, it aligns with a story we already know to have happened in Sky, but we don’t have much information on yet. Two of the ancestors that appear in it are even the refusing voyager and ushering stargazer spirits.
We don’t know when it’s coming out, though, sadly.
There’s also another animation which you might be referring to — the switch trailer. This one’s position in canon is much more debatable, though.
It’s darkstone! Darkstone is a crystal-like material that holds light and uses it for energy; you may recognize it the most as the blue-gray rock you hold your candle to to open doors and start up mechanisms throughout the realms.
Due to a currently unknown event, the Eden Diamond changed from simply accepting light to use passively when it was given to sucking in light from everywhere it could and spewing it out in the form of the massive beam you can see throughout the realms.
The Diamond was put there for one of two reasons. Unfortunately we don’t know which yet. However the first option is slightly likelier.
- the natural beam, which was very important for ascending creatures, went out a while before the diamond exploded and kickstarted the disaster. The diamond was an attempt at bringing it, or something like it back, that failed.
- the diamond was placed over the beam to harness its energy due to it being the brightest light source in all the realms. However, it got overloaded and soon exploded
Honestly, looking back, this chat has enough strange and random quotes to start make a quote book
Could it be that at some point even Ancestors & Elders witnessed Aurora in it's final form, thus realized we Sky kids are in part related to her
It could be another reason why the murals/maps represent us like this
That’s a WL symbol, not the Aurora cape. ^^
We are most likely not related to her.
It also reminds me of one of the possible plotlines we can get from 2nd Performance quest... Talking about a Star which divide into pieces becoming the sparks of many types of life, some of those could also be WLs
Who would the star be then?
I know the icons, but my random idea had me thinking some Ancestors and/or Elders couls have mistaken Sky kids for Aurora... Or at least somewhat related to her
Idk, I need to re read that storyline, but it could be either just a random star or it could also be related to Aurora, sparking lights and life all around her
Thanks, so excited for the animation project!
Dude that’s been there since the beginning of the game launch, the wing light symbol we get from wl looks exactly like the skykid mural, if it was auroras wings the bottom part would be facing down💀
I don't have the full flowchart of all storylines, I saved only the Chosen One xD
I’m not gonna say Aurora isn’t canon but I definitely do not think she’s a deity of some kind, cmon
that would be incredibly weird for the lore for an Entire Deity to spontaneously appear over 3 years into the games lifespan
I lowkey think she is just a voice. Like, it took 4 spirits lending her power for her to manage to get a “body” for the concert, I don’t think she’s a god
and I'm not one to unequivocally support tgcs storytelling but they would not do that
I mean, it's a random idea, just food for thoughts. The thing is... Ever since Season of Sanctuary I started wondering why that peculiar depiction of the wings... 
hey Google what is an artistic decision
cos they look like wings
You got winglint, wings pointing up, I mean if you fly, wings naturally do that. Plus I doubt a dev looked at that and was like “ah yes let put this refrence to aurora 3 years before they even had the idea for it”
deep breath
Artistic choices means selections made by theatre artists about situation, action, direction and desi-
Yeah, but I was still surprised a bjt by the resemblace once I took that stranger with my wings
Bottom part would just face down though
Maybe no, but still, they seems to have been planning many things ahead of the time, many features and many things could have been left in suspence till the appropriate time arrived. For example the Hermit Peeks was the perfect spot for both a Little Prince quest AND the current Yeti Race
or they had the place and figured why not put more things there so people would revisit season areas rather than abandon them once they complete the quests?
i think aurora is a season
If I recall correctly, even Jehova Chen said at the Awards something like "18 months of pkaytest" to prepare for the event of the Concert
trueeeeeeeeee
Ya, because they legit broke a world record for largest virtual concert and needed to play test to see if it was possible
source?
I think he might have meant that many little details/mechanics were introduced earlier to be later used elsewhere. But anyway, that might be another thing I need to double check again... i need to rethink where I heard/watched 
⬆️
https://youtu.be/31E5gTXsB0w 2:18 mark
they might have decided then to try and make a concert venue, but not have an artist to partner with yet
Ty krii
Possibly, yah, though I feel like a collab with a singer like aurora would need that amount of time. Sorting out copyright and paperwork all
(Cough -gestures to days of rainbow for example-)
I have another idea on WL (that also ties into limbo) do you guys mind if I post it?
Maybe I reading to much into if from this video, when at the preview Jenova said "...after 18 months of the experimentation and development..."
i am looking directly
Ok it’s really long and convoluted so bear with me;
It came from how WL are called ‘lost memories’ during the new intro. That has a lot of implications, but my first thought was “does this mean during PNR when we’re saving skykids we’re ripping out our own memories to free them?”
I think this is true, but it led to a thought. What if the kid we hug in limbo is our own memories?
Think about it — they’re shaped exactly like us, they seem to anticipate what we’re going to do before we do it, and after we merge with them, we become the brightest version of ourself we can possibly be. (I will explain this in a moment) They’re definitely not a normal WL; they have a consciousness and mind of their own, and they’re an intricate part of us.
the white skid is also always your height
Before you hug them, you are quite literally a shell of your former self. After you do so, you become a shining silhouette of basically exactly who you were before you ventured into Eden — your cosmetics, the thing most skykids would logically rely on to distinguish one another and express their identity, have returned to you.The light the kid you hug gives you seems like an intrinsic part of yourself you’re getting back.
When you’re returned to one another, you glow brighter than they ever did, and more than that… you’re you.
YES SO TRUE SALEM I LOVE THIS ALOT
in Sky, light and memories seem to be intrinsically connected (as can be seen with the Spirits), so that tracks
yeah i was going to say something that added on to what you said but the truth is i cant, i love this sm 🤍
And it would fit with sky’s themes!! You sacrifice light to help other skykids like you, and when you succumb to the diamond it’s your turn to fly with the other statues when you reunite. You hug yourself because your you, becoming one again and pushing through the darkness because you see the light at the end of the tunnel
The most extreme form of self love /j
STOP MY HEART 😭
It has a lot of really emotional implications too.
Like… if WL are lost memories of our past, we’ve slowly been gathering the recollections of who we used to be as we journey through the realms. It’s no doubt been a struggle collecting them all, and coming to terms with whatever knowledge of our pasts they give us — I can only imagine how much a skykid, who woke up disoriented on a desolate beach with only the memories of a distant mountain in their mind and surrounded by ghosts, having lost almost all their memory of their past, would value them upon their return.
But once we get to PNR and realize giving those WL away are the only way to save other skykids— we value others more. We put them above the part of ourselves we value even above our own life. We tear each WL away the first time knowing we might not be able to get them back; that even if we survive this, they might be lost forever. We’d never fully remember who we were. Even if we tracked down and gathered more memories, there would still be massive chunks of it lost to us, embedded within other skykid’s petrified shells as an effort to save them. Our skykid goes through their entire first Eden run convinced they’ll never get them back.
But then they get to limbo… and they do.
All those memories that they’d had to collect, that they valued so much despite their disjointed and confusing nature, finally make perfect sense. They remember everything. The puzzle falls into place and, for the first time ever, our skykid comprehends completely and fully who they are and how they ended up here.
AUGHH yeah, and honestly as long as sky tells it story our skykids will never fully get are memory back, there will always be more wing light to find
and to think they do this every week
IM SOBBING
After our skykid hugs the kid in limbo for the first time they’re fully themselves for the first time in their memory
“Time to get my eden candles for my fav elder mask that hast released yet. Oh and give my light to others because they’re stuck and need help and I value them but also self love time”
just throwing the idea out there but what if the location of the wl correlates to the memories that our skykid receives
We agree megabird made skykids right, and liek everything including ancestor and elders? Maybe the lights scattered from the kingdom are a mix of ancestor memories for our skykids? I’m not sure how well that could work though
I was thinking about this one a few days ago... what memories do you hold and why are they sad
Either of the pollution or Watching death from afar? The ancestor in salutes memory got destroyed💀
I was thinking that was how wing buffs work since ancestors give them to us
“Ahh it’s the four leggeds” /ref
NOT ONLY THAT but this actually fits really really well with what we know about how the Eden Diamond works so far.
It’s commonly theorized that Limbo takes place within the Eden Diamond itself; the beam coming from within the diamond all but confirms this. The shattering memories also tell us that memories can be imprinted inside the diamond so long as they’re made of light. With this knowledge, as well as the theory that the elders are also trapped within the diamond, it’s not unreasonable to assume the same thing happened to who or whatever we used to be:
We got sucked in during the moment of shattering just like all the others. An imprint got made of us at that time similar to the shattering memories, and that’s the kid, who contains all our memories up to that point. Unlike the creatures in those memories, though, we survive. And unlike the elders, we manage to escape somehow — maybe we got spit out in the beam. But darkness splits apart and erodes light to use it for energy, so we leave in pieces. The largest pieces become skykids. The smallest pieces of our memory, too small to become anything on their own, enter the Eden beam and are dispersed across the realms in tiny fragments of light shaped like our imprint. (They’re exactly ‘imprints of the children of light.’)
And that’s how you get WL.
👁️👁️👁️👁️👁️👁️👁️
Eating this eating this eating this eating this
That would work so well! And it would give a reason on why we have to keep getting wl because of leaving in pieces, not truly whole. We escape but not as one
i am Losing my mind omggg
reverse lightminer
Question.
Bog ?
sacrificing my team’s chances of winning to write this sorry guys
also, rolling with the idea that seasonal areas have always been there and we just discover, and also assuming that wl are skykid memories, then our skykids must have traveled to many places, only to lose their memory and then the places are inaccessible again
wait would losing the memory mean that our skykid no longer has access to seasonal areas both mentally and physically-
omg the peat bogs
Originally in Light Awaits you would be giving away your emotes as you went through PNR, so…~
Oo i think al suggested the reason there’s so many clouds is because of the diamond, we didn’t have acess to new areas from shattering to aurora because of the mounting getting silly and thus pushing more clouds out to hide areas.
And it’s not like we can go through clouds anyways, or if we even can
I’m actually really proud of this idea because I think it explains WL really well, even explaining why it was called “imprints of the children of light” in that one livestream transcript that’s been floating around
officially throwing nonsense i didnt understand what i just wrote 🫠
I just occurred skykids are very light, lighter than clouds yet strong enough to not break apart at literal rocks
Bridge moment /insidej
built different
This is the storylime which is intriguing me now... a light/star could shatter creating many lesser lights. It is mentioning a Star creating many others in the blue night sky, but maybe it's not meaning that light went extinguished in the process
This plus the similarity I was pointing out earlier with WL mural and Aurora Wings... is hitching my mind.. maybe the WLs could be lesser lights generated, if not from Aurora herself, from another elder light
what
Anyway, just a random thought. Lately my lore mind is less trained , is mostly sleeping 
We can tell, get some rest
Plus again with everything above I don’t believe the aurora wings and isle mural are connected at all
Not really with my idea, actually. Think of WL kind of like shards— they got sucked into the beam and fell everywhere, forming into their shape when they hit the ground like we do!
The way you’re writing this also does kind of imply that whoever our skykid used to be was around post disaster (if I’m reading this correctly) and that they’d already discovered seasonal areas but forgot about them, which I don’t think is true. When we as players wake up for the first time coincides with the first time our skykid has seen the post disaster world, ever.
From the new intro:
*At last, you return to this world. Remember, Child —
your light is a gift.
All are given breath by starlight.
The first of us lived in joy that we would one day return to the stars.
Together, we built a Kingdom in the clouds.
We connected the seven realms with the power of starlight.
But then the sky went dark, and our Kingdom shattered.
Many of us are still trapped in these realms.
Please, Child… Bring your light to our fallen spirits.*
The way it’s written implies that this is our skykid’s first time showing up after the disaster, hence why everyone needs to be saved this time around to begin with, rather than it already happening.
eugh i was writing out something but i thought it was stupid so im not gonna post it
im gonna instead say is, if it's the first time, why does it say "we return to this world"? 
yeah i started writing that message before i read the one above mine (yours) that was my bad
your idea makes a lot more sense
the first time after the Eden disaster I think is what xe mean
oohhhh
Yes Astral is right! Left briefly to grab a snack and forgot to specify 💔
neopronouns are fun to use when I remember who has which ones
Thinks of ancestors using star/star self 
I did that once
i tried to but then i got super self conscious about it,,
before I was astral I used star/stars for a time
I allow myself to use as many pronouns as I feel necessary
neopronouns 💪
I’m just here, gender nowhere 
so true
so true
who needs gender when we have ✨ stars ✨
you don’t need gender only funny spirits
I only need derg (dragon)
Now that I think about it do ya think pronouns aside from they/them would be Neo pronouns in sky world? Since every ancestor ingame uses they/them beside gloat calling themselves a man and grams going by she/they in bug reports
Thinking of gloat creating man and he/him pronouns to be the only handsomest man in the world
idk if gloats counts they are just a featherless biped
also that's probably jank referencing the text? I think maybe
Yaya fair enough
cool to think about though
YES LMAOOOOOOOOOoooo
star/stars neos were the first ones i discovered and i am incredibly attached to them. i love this forever 
Reposting one of the last times my lore-mind was enough intrigued to give birth to a cool idea. Picture collage by Sophos#1646
It's a bit sad how the few lore crumbles we get are slowly krilling my crave for lore 🥲 
there is actually a good amount of lore if you aren't just looking for shadows of the king like most of the fandom does
if anybody can find a genuine image of the king appearing in person in game maybe I'll be less harsh but
bro is Not Real
Plus isint the mural in the top right cut content?
After 2 years of gameplay I mostly just CR or play idle.. not many things surprise me enough or not enough to keep me entrained, sadly
am I actually on topic for the images teb posted they didn't load
Yes, the old intro played once, before the arrive of the new Intro Tunnel with captions
why would it be included here then ? Wouldn’t that mural not be cannon anymore anyways, cut content is cut for a reason
Because in that old intro that mural slowly faded, on point with that type of icon (regular version or the erased version) meaning either Bond/Loss or even both
Ya but it’s, old. It was changed for a reason
*possibly meaning ..
If something is cut and not in the game anymore then it’s not cannon anymore to me, I am a firm believer of that
Devs changed it for a reason
Imho, partially relevant, like many concept arts😅
It was my moth intro, it's hard to forget for me
Concept art isint cannon. It’s a concept for a reason, sure ideas can carry over but from what was seen in the art, story was changed completely
But some concepts can still be slightly relevant. For example when people were excited for the laser turrets statues of king I was sceptical... Till the last Prophecy mural pointing in that direction
Yeah but the way concept art changed so drastically in so many ways, it’s best to only take it into consideration if the stuff in the game can back it up, and it rarely does
That old intro mural fading IMHO still slightly live in the 3rd intro mural
when the Isle Constellation fade
Thing is we don’t know for sure sadly, would it be cool? Yeah, but even then the statues in the mural only had orange light in the eye, no laser beams in sight
Maybe it will just stay stuck in my headcanon for nostalgia reason

I like to think the constellation table symbol is a stylized map of the realms, representing the kingdom, with Valley being the capital! It’s not exactly perfect, but that’s why it’s stylized
Oo yayay
I feel it's unfair to say Sky isn't getting lore, lately we've been fed pretty well with Flight (and mayhaps its link to Enchantment), Abyss (ruins of light creature experimentation in person !), Performance (and the tidbit with the tale about stars falling from the sky and unattended children in the desert) and Shattering (and the poems which I agree should be more accessible). Aurora is a collab season but it still showcases the kingdom of the past as well as giving us another viewpoint over things like the mines in Forest or the war in Wasteland !
Headcannon wise yeah, and i think the same here. for offical lore wise tho it’s unclear
My reactions
if only they wouldn't immediately disappear 
I’d imagine this as being a symbol that existed long before our time, which is why it got stylized so much. It’s more symbolic than completely accurate.
It also has one ray on the bottom isolated, much like Isle
salem your mind, i always thought of it as a leftover from LA where isle was at the bottom and kinda set apart from the rest
what if Eden was at the bottom cos that represents where we "start" if it also is synonymous with orbit ? So in a way, it's the start as well as the end
I mean, I didn't mean to say Sky gives No New Lore... It's just it doesn't seem to sparks alot intuitions/theories for me.
My crave for lore is like, idk, me wanting a dessert.. instead I get a soup. That soup can be good, I'm sure of it. But not what I expect or want at the moment 😅
your loss. I LOVE SOUP.
I mean there’s a lot to imagine, dark-stone and how it’s built, manta racing and sports they played in general, hell I find it super intriguing mantas were being captured in valley when manta racing was huge, focusing on the enrichment can get into some deep rabbit holes for discussion and theories
Lol, I forgot lorechat came up with that soup shish sortof analogy
Just the single moment in Aurora’s The Seed near the end when they zoom it at the Wasteland gate’s temple was already enough to get me wondering why there was a battle focus there, were they focusing on Vault? Or were they focusing on Eden which is accessible through Vault? And Why? Why do they want to enter there? Who is in the side of the ones who want to enter it? Did they succeed or did they fail?
Like you can get a lot going from a single scene, you just have to look a little further
I’d love food lore I wanna know what ancestors ate, if they share similar foods to certain cultures ect
Thank you
It could be!! The isolated one could be Isle or Eden, it’s kind of up in the air. Depends on if you think Isle growing apart from the other realms was a thing that happened or not; I do but not in a solid exile way and it’s mostly headcanon than anything with fact.
I can definitely see Eden being symbolically set apart, not only because it’s where we both start and end, but it’s also really important to the ancestors. It was likely the holiest place in their kingdom, it was the brightest light source within it, it’s the only realm who had an elder that wasn’t really an elder…
Eden would be unique in a LOT of ways to the ancestors and/or elders who designed the symbol before the disaster, it makes sense that it would be the one set apart instead of Isle! Possibly to designate importance as well as uniqueness
Mine usage a minute ago seems just dumb now in comparison to that unifying theory xD
HELPPP
HELP YEAH
i also think it being a stylized map makes a lot of sense because it’s where we call the spirits of each realm down… I gotta check but imagine if the tail at the end points towards Eden in homespace
It’s also really sweet because it resembles how constellations are rendered in murals. If every elder is a star, the kingdom is a constellation
I think it's placed so the "beams" at the top face the gates
Thinking of prarie as a whole shaped as a pot
for YOU, i'm built different and go feral seeing the parallels between a TLP memory and the season of shattering
What kind kf parallels between TLP and Shattering? 
are you referring to the geographer memory bc that one is so tasty
YEAH EXACTLY
Now that I look at this, it even seems like Eden is the one “set apart” just from a visual standpoint. Like look at the difference between it and the center as opposed to the others. Thank you for catching that Vela, I would have assumed it was Isle forever
OK OK OK See the sneezing geographer memory ? As you relive it, illustrations appear on the book. I don't have the picture on hand but at some point, Geographer seems to look at Eden; the illustrations that appear then are of the mountain with stars, then of that same mountain but with something shining atop it & being surrounded by mantas.
Jellyfish and crab memory poems in shattering imply creatures were lured to their demise by a very bright light.
Thinking about
SLINK YOU HERO i owe you guys my life
Good soup
the tea omg 
what?
I'm probably late but flight is connected to enchantment?
I DIDNT EVEN SEE THAT
@rigid mural SPILL
Idk if this helps
I link the two because the Enchantment murals depict the ark falling following a storm; and on the 4th quest, lightning can be heard (along with krill sounds) as rocks fly out of the ark entrance into the wind paths.
I think this is an echo (ie: the event happens in the present but reflects something that happened in the past) of how the wind paths closed as they became too dangerous to navigate; it's possible that the storm that caused this also caused the crash of the ark imo.
oh ur mind
I believe that old symbol with one branch on the bottom and 5 on the top is a remnant from the Aviary era of Light Awaits, since back then you started in Isle and went to the Aviary, which connected to the other 5 realms in a similar manner to what that symbol depicts
And as we know, after global launch, TGC rarely updates old content to match with the modern version of the game, with very few exceptions. Something minor like that old constellation symbol would likely go under the radar for them
Please elaborate 😂 I've been thinking about this comment all day
Hi lore chat! I have a question about the world of sky,
Are eden rocks/dark rocks the only crystal type things in the world of sky? Or are there crystal formations that aren't red rock or artificial dark rocks?
There could be, I like to think other crystal gemstones exist but without solid proof it’s up to inteperation
Darkstone is blue, shown in Mindful Miner, Ceasing Commodore, and All Is Soft Inside spirit memories
OH HONK YEAH!!!
ayo??
i skimmed through the patch notes i was excited lol
YESSSSSSSS THE ANNOUNCEMENT
confirmed to be on jan 16 i think
Vibrating
RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA LOOK ST THRM
omg this is the first time that i've seen something that looks like a book in game
i just assumed that the ancestors didn't use them and used murals to tell stories or the jars in the vault to store knowledge. can i pls ask where i can find this?
THE MANTA PLUSHIE IS REALLLLLL
YEAA THEYRE SO 🤍
i need that paper boy hat
also the guy next to them kinda looks like they have a shard in their eye??
Work on your cropping skills, gamer /lh
MANTA PLUS REALLLL
I was wondering about the mask too it’s super intersting, reminds me of that one anime where it’s personified crystals as anime girls (I forget the name)
Bro- bro the plush it’s on fire bro- /j
help i just realized paperboy spirit is a child with a manta plush i already love them
Wait they look like they have theyre eye if you squint
Screaming crying pointing pointing pointing
RAAAAAAAAA LETS GOOO
we get to build shared spaces for the spirits..
we better get the manta plush as a prop im going to scream
oh sick i dont have school that day either 
Oh my god wait what if the reason their mask looks like that is because of hardened light, like think about it, outer layer mask, inside harden light that’s translucent and then the inner light which would be the spark, hence the eye showing through the scar on the mask
And ancestors shine blue when you light their statue so

I refuse to think it’s darkstone cuz it wouldn’t make much sence
and confuse me
refugees
My fic is real
They made Fealty real 🎉🎉🎉🎉
tgc actually reads alasdairs fics
APOLLOS FAVORITE CHILD REAL!!!!!
Salem is Apollo’s favorite child, I’m just a close second
Two of you
Omg vela can scream about remembrance guide now Yipiee!!!
we just got the teaser and i already love all 5 of them
Ooo and they look to be hiding, remmeberance guide seems to lift up some fabric behind them as if to come out of a hiding spot
I love this season so unreasonably much and I’m so excited for it. It’s so good.
Could be a makeshift room, like curtain dividers in hospitals.
I say hospitals cos I’ve been in a lot of them 
Oo yayay!
would this season be in wasteland or vault or somewhere else 
right i cant read
vault, according to the news
Vault season
FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(IK WE HAVE PRINCE BUT LIKE FIRST NON COLLAB SEASON THAT HAS A SEASONAL AREA)
Whoops. Forgot about the gif thing. Oh my gosh
the neewwwwssss
I know there was an abyss concept where Cannoneer had a blue eye due to darkness pollution, maybe this is a similar deal?
We get to see more of the Vault!!!
gonna reread the patchnotes, was excited to get over here 
Wait really?????????? I never noticed omg
those concepts are gender or at least some of them are
Broken mask from earlier encounters, remaining eye is blue bc of light loss/dark pollution
OOG (I EMANT TO REPLY TO AL BUT OOGGG)
oh that's a fantastic design
THATS TJE GENDER ONE
oog
I am very exited
already decided i would get the ap when i got beta’d 
yeah this is one to AP for sure
God I just know from this art it’s gonna be sad
🫶
11 days isnt that long right
right
tac, when is sky not sad
Sad squared then 
Aurora wasn't about sadness even if that's the takeaway most people got
well noooo a negative times a negative = a positive! /j
So lorechat, how we feeling about new lore Season?
I think while it might have sad moments. I feel like it'll also instill hope. 
every season is a lore season if you aren't chasing phantoms of the King/Resh/Alef
I think a better way to describe Sky is bittersweet
everything is lore if you want it to be
I mean like in terms of Light Creature exploitation + the war we saw in SoA.
this isn't the most accurate- it would be better to say that it's about sadness in that it's about recovering from sadness and hoping despite sorrows
Shaking I can’t wait I can’t wait I can’t wait aooooooooooooo
manta plushie + child spirit + paperboy hat is the highlight of my day
We better get manta plush prop
child spirit
Reasons why Sky is bittersweet:
I’ve never seen manta plush prop in beta, what does it look like? 
who said it was a prop the kid just has one in the art
ignore that
wait
I’m just wishing it will be a prop but here
OHHH
Manta plush. So stinking cute

Oo imma draw somthing wuickly the one with the broken mask is super intersting
I was the one who talked about Manta plushies being a toy in the Kingdom in lorechat once. I may have contributed to this? 
Y’all meant the manta plush in the art, I was confused earlier 
imagine... like a pillow... but its mantashaped....
I want to squeeze that kid’s cheeks, oh 
mantas are just very plushieable
this would be a banger merch opportunity tgc
$55 for manta plushie, ships in 3 months, you know it
That would be incredible if it has some heft to it, instead of like the squishmallows. I'd love one with some weight :3
dont make the kid have a sad backstory im about to cry over them being with their family as is
I know I probably didn’t cause it completely but I’m going to imagine that some dev saw my message, decided it was cute and that helped contribute to the Manta plush.
https://www.thatskygame.com/news/links-to-the-past-in-season-of-remembrance/
Spirits share lessons from eras when their connections with each other and with nature were strong, and in Seasons like Abyss, we glimpse eras when those connections were in turmoil. Now in Season of Remembrance, we go deeper into Sky's lore. Journey alongside Spirits who lived through eras of turmoil to press on and rebuild together.
Season of lore on its way, hype
Season of Rember
trying to keep it together so my family doesnt give me any weird looks 
we already got lore in the other seasons but I’m so excited for this one
it's always so interesting to see people call new seasons "season of lore" because like they're all that
Season of Remembrance returns to more intimate storytelling within the Vault of Knowledge, where four new Spirits have found shelter from the upheaval disrupting their lives in the kingdom they had known.
they're refugees
Slice of life stories from the refugees
The true sad backstory
denies very obvious truth that the kid will have a sad backstory and i will cry
I'm sure the season's quests will be about building them a comfy new home
season of sadness 
Yeah, because apparently I didn't cry enough at Aurora's concert, and tgc feed on our tears
i will geek out later, cya lorechat 🤍
Cya!!!
obviously
and just as a reminder, they're starting off the news post with aurora lyrics
#screenshots-and-videos message
oh one more thing and then ill dip
lamp
@rigid mural can you tell us about your stole theory here? It’s one of my favorites
Like a vault lantern 
good evening lore chat i missed so much in the few hours i was gone 😭
cant wait for the new season tho it seems like we will be getting so many bread crumbs :)
Alright guys get your thinker thonk brains ready for this season. 
I've been ready since it came out in beta but we can't go off to the races yet
RIGHT i think that, like the flight ult pants to Prairie elder, the questgiver's stole is meant to make their garb look like Vault elder's, especially since they have a mask meant to emulate theirs !
Stoles are most commonly associated with the catholicc clergy, but they're also significant to students graduating as a sign of honor, which would fit the realm since it's meant to be a giant library.
TL;DR: I think Remembrance guide is Vault elder's apprentice.
Using emulators is against the Sky TOS, @rigid mural. Please don’t use or discuss emulators here.
Go away bot 
i actually cant wait to experience my first normal season lol
my first season was shattering and i joined halfway thru and so i didnt really understand what was happening and everyone told me that that season was unusual
then my second season was aurora which was a very collaborative season
so ive mostly been trying to catch up on missed season on ym own time to understand what i've missed/what the game is actually like haha
Then this'll be a good season for you. Very lore filled
I’ll be shocked if they arnet vaults apprentice
I'm just obsessed with the history of sky
omg we might get cards again hype hype hype hype hype
who was complaining about lack of lore, because it's being written black on white in that news article 
connected to their own place in Vault of Knowledge
The Season Guide also offers [...] two Ultimate Gifts connected to their own place in Vault of Knowledge.
ok im even more confident in my guess they're the elder's apprentice
goes insane and silly
Signs of the kingdom’s upheaval echo in the ruins you’ve seen while venturing through Sky. With Remembrance, we wanted to link these signs scattered throughout Golden Wasteland and prior Seasons to reveal more about a critical era in the kingdom’s history—one that has only been hinted at until now.
This bit feels like a vaguepost to people who said Shattering didn’t fit the lore and it’s killing me 💀
hello devs lurking in this chat
hi devs are you having a good Thursday
i would lay my life down for them
We know 💛 /aff
There’s my lil sib 🤟
I aspire to one day ask a tgc dev what their favorite flavor of concrete is
I love how there's fire coming out of the teapot & how it looks like the teacups contain fire. On one side it's probably to show how warm it is compared to outside, but on the other... ancestors consuming light (and not nutrients like humans) 
Light good food
Maybe everything living is light, so most food would contain it as well.
is tea living?
WAIT NVM that's their soul ! There's still fire coming out of the teapot tho.
Tbh there's a massive fire under the teapot, so refects
I’m Drinking it anyway .
it looks like steam is coming out of the teapot to me but I can't rlly tell
I mean it’s prob not that bad for an ancestor to subsist only off of light for a while, right?
I'm going to shake you like a maraca
What if the teapot contains soup

Look at the bri ish child XD
Love everyone there
manta soup
Why would you eat them 💔
Yeah but for the steam to be this bright colored ? You're probably right tho but it does require a brighter environment for colors like that
dang can't believe British people are canon to sky ||/j||
sorry this is rushed im having mega thoughts rn about this (ignore the poor crystal effect i did)
OMG a dragon 🐲
‘Tis but a flesh wound
OH? Reminded of when skykids get whacked by darkstone and the wounds crystallize
that cannoneer is so unfairly gender
As I expected, y’all are eating this up
YAYAYAY THAT
We kinda saw this in the cracked abyss masks too right?
Their masks were just cracked, not blue
somewhat yea! i think masks don't count for ancestors since we've seen maskelss ancestors, i think cannoneer was lucky to not look like this ancestor above
ya what al said
omg yall are having a blast with only one image
can't wait for the season to come out to see lore chats thoughts on it
Sorry was thinking shattering mask, but that was dark plant growing from the eye
Doesn’t angler’s mask have a blue crack on it?
Angler’s mask has what I’d call a surface-level scratch
omg maslon
Thank you for the pictures! I was pretty sick during Abyss and didn’t have the energy to get a lot of cosmetics, so I couldn’t check the masks myself 💔
Yea, Maslon wears Angler’s mask
Is this what happens when you leave a light wound unhealed?
me: hi
remembrance spirit: the war
me: ok
if that wound gets infected or the person gets corrupted in some manner, maybe
That looks to be a dark plant, prob if the wound was infected with darkness and fed on the person’s light
Aurora concert: were you enjoying that song?
Here's The war, and the terrible aftermath
Ancestors also initially look blue as spirits, perhaps their body contains all that and hardens into a husk when there's too much darkness to protect it ?
Or their light hardens due to darkness
OO YAYAY
Maybe this is what the inside of a petrified being looks like… oh I just got an incredibly gruesome idea
does ancestor light like oxidize? crystallize? on exposure to air
unsurprising/aff
Someone hide the knives from Salem
oo like crystal gore or somthing?
i love it when you say this, it always precedes some truly horrific concepts /positive
went a little bit science mode oops
Sky biologists shaking rn
nah dw its an intersting take
I'm so full of autism


