lore-discussion-spoilers

[hexed saddle]

for me the king is the very first sky kid, that of prophecy, he brought technology to this kingdom, they already exist magic and acquired the four elemental powers by passing the tests of the ancients and redistributed it throughout the kingdom kept by the elders (that would be why in the statue there is a hole and the explanation of the birth of the sanctuaries). but the king hungry for power and light created a giant diamond supposed to feed the whole kingdom but it was too unstable and attracted darkness (krills) which corrupted the diamond which exploded plunging the kingdom in devastation and relentlessly sucking up the light, but if the kingdom remains it is thanks to the sacrifice of the king who leaves it sucking up this light so that the celestial kingdom does not crumble, the same and only sky kids which allows us to recover our lights to go to eden

[fickle snow]

and maybe it has nothing to do, but, lets not forget that, aurora has an album that is called the gods we can touch

like how we cant touch alef, but aurora, alef its gone forever, aurora is back. (to stay?)

[tulip salmon]

(credit to my friend for this) light and darkness has always exist, but our ancestor made darkness more powerful than light. The thing is i still can't figure out how invasive is this dark bloom thing, if it's like the ancient darkness thing then what cause it to grow so much.
i can see the answer revert back to over poaching manta and pollution from energy stone but somehow i didn't think of that the first time

also does it eat on human too 🧍 i read a fic use this and keep thinking about it since then

[earnest briar]

No, Valley is Sunset. Wasteland is Dusk.

[fickle snow]

that, i confused the words

[hexed saddle]

in summary, the light drives out the darkness but when it misses the darkness regains ground

"darker time will come and go"

[hoary violet]

so is aurora megabird or

[tulip salmon]

maybe, m a y b e

[spring python]

My personal take is that Aurora is Megabird’s voice. Like a personification of it

[hoary violet]

yeah that's what ive kinda always assumed since we hear her singing at the beginning and end of the game

[tulip salmon]

honestly i love any theory that let the king redeem himself lol

[fickle snow]

exactly, like in religions its like there is a "god that created everything" and its representation in human world

[hoary violet]

ok i gotta go, talk later

[rigid mural]

In the beginning with "Exhale Inhale", you have the voice/light going near the tree and apparently making it grow, before it falls when the voice/light leaves. It even happens again with the bird and the manta (both grow dark plants and turn to stone when it leaves them) as well as with Aurora.

Maybe this is a way to introduce the voice as Life and Light itself ?

I was the ice before it melts, I was the tree before it fell``` That part sounds like how something that's beyond just a simple creature would introduce itself. Something truly ancient, perhaps something inherent to the universe like a building block.

[tulip salmon]

Ancestor is their own species and so does skykid, but i really like the ideas of them getting a bit uncomfortable that skykid look like them, but deprived from basic human need and feature

[frigid tinsel]

Yea there’s a theory that light & darkness once existed in balance, forces within the world, but the ancestors’ darkstone industry with the overhunting and pollution threw that natural valance out of whack. Now we have corrupted dark creatures and spirits who can’t ascend, Eden once a revered holy site for light now a hellscape.

[fickle snow]

and also, there is this part that says

i carry more than you see

please bring me light
i bear a shadow
i call tham back to me

[rigid mural]

OHHH that part from "From the Eyes of a Child" at the end where, after you and another butterfly see eachother and fly off, two mantas also fly together spreading light, and it seems like that singing light picks those light motes up to regain form ?
Gathering light to regain strenght after being overcome by darkness...

Thinking about how, in the bird part of "The Seed", the singing light seems to emit sparks like lightning when the sky goes dark and it seems to shoot cyan light (you need to do circles close around it to see it but I swear I saw sparks), I really should go closer more often because it could reflect something

[fickle snow]

Gathering light to regain strenght after being overcome by darkness...

just like how aurora has been gathering our light for this very moment, to finallt speak to us
to encourage us to continue fighting darkness

[rigid mural]

Maybe all those memories we relived through the quests were in preparation for that grand finale
And we go from seeing it from an ancestor's point of view to that of a light creature...

[fickle snow]

omg true

[atomic lava]

i've never actually had this click in my mind.... i knew the theory was that the king was corrupted by the darkstone but maybe he was even corrupted physically, because he was a sky kid, physically light.... oh my goodness im slow

[rain pond]

waiting until more writers show up so that we can go on a tangent about writing

[fickle snow]

OMG true!!!! while, simce aurora is something else, she was just weakened by darkness, but she cant be corrupted, cause sky kids are light in physical manifestation, and everything that is solid will absorb(aka block) some kind of light, in other words, generate darkness, while aurora is pure light, that cant be corrupted, mabe weakened, but never defeated/corrupted, in sky, she is the enbodyment of good itself

is fatally ignored

[atomic lava]

PFFT dw i wasnt ignoring you, im playing the game rn but yes very much like that, perhaps

[fickle snow]

XD

[compact shale]

The theory I've been building up is that the AURORA spirits want to reveal Their existence to everyone by strengthening Them with light. I'll have to update it for the 5th quest, but yeah.

[soft timber]

No one:
Absolutely no one:
Not Moth nor King:
Aurora: Let's have a mix of concert and festival

[fickle snow]

where i will reveal my truth form and give deep lore detail to all of this clueless moths

[atomic lava]

aurora invented lore concert

[fickle snow]

after stabbing them while a paramedic song played in the background

[gilded topaz]

Goddess of sky 👏👏👏

[soft timber]

It's like that one meme with the girl talking in detail with a woman but the woman is like

[fickle snow]

?

[soft timber]

Meme

[fickle snow]

a, ok nvm

its lol how the sky's lore had a 190[insert degree symbol here] turn after an aparently incocent concert

[upbeat jasper]

related thought: I wonder how the iap aurora wings could connect to the lore. maybe she gave gifts only to a chosen few (aka people who buy the cape) so they can tell her story/message for future sky kids

[sharp lichen]

IAPs fit very very loosely into the Sky lore

[fickle snow]

true, like choosing new prophets, since ancestors are gone

[untold notch]

not everything has to have a lore explanation keep in mind

[upbeat jasper]

extra note for aurora being special: for that aurora mural in the music shop, performance guide and frightened stagehand do the emotes as well as the max lovey emote you get from storyteller. so even before the season came out, it shows that spirits put aurora in a high regard

[small tulip]

Is she like a god...just putting that idea out there

[uncut pond]

Most likely not a god, but rather just a religious figure with a noteworthy magic ability (other spirits have been shown to be capable of magic)

[rain pond]

I remember how 12 days ago we went on a tangent that led to us trying to find out who we write like

oh my days i got dan brown again im gonna cry

Also perhaps AURORA and Alef-Resh were twins of a sort? One fell and the other rose to the post of a second pseudo-deity (or at least someone who sings while megabird plays the piano)

[fickle snow]

that is something that i was thinking about, like two sides of the same coin

[upbeat jasper]

I actually kinda had a theory about that which added onto the theory Megah had ^-^
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[fickle snow]

like wu and garmaddon feon ninjago

[rain pond]

Here are some headcanons while im here

Alef-Resh is the ultimate memelord(even in the final moments before the detonation they were memeing)

Sah and Mekh are perpetually unable to design physically possible buildings. They have to hire architects, who all quit shortly after.

Megabird plays the piano proficiently despite being an amorphous blob of light

[fickle snow]

what-

[hushed steeple]

I just watched the concert and I don't even know where to start with all the lore crumbs we got? Hello??? Capturing mantas? Civil war(?) What the hell!

[halcyon abyss]

The most intimate and beautiful part of all of AURORA and the lore of the game is how the theories--religious and not-- can be viewed. The multifaceted idea that no matter who we all are, we start alone, end alone, but we always find a way back together to help us through our journey.

The whole concert is such a beautiful story teller

[fickle snow]

yes

[halcyon abyss]

Every time I attend the concert I always see something new and feel something different. Truly a work of art and passion and love.

[hushed steeple]

The spirit memory depicts Dark Dragons, but the concert version has mantas instead? Why are they capturing/killing light creatures? 🤔 I'm going to have to watch the concert again... just, so much stuff. Gobbles the crumbs up like a pigeon.

[rain pond]

pianist megablob supremacy

[sharp lichen]

Yes, the Ancestors were probably not as good as what we assumed

[halcyon abyss]

Here is one of my ideas for the war at the end with the mantas involved.

Humanity itself always has multiple sides in battle: good, bad, and neutral. If we view the Manta's as neutral, they're for the earth. They were captured and viewed some humans as bad. (This can be followed up by the statue of the sky kid holding the downed manta after the battle sequence). Maybe the mantas we're originally on the dragon side, but then the dragons we're corrupted to be the "evil".

And with war, over time, it's easy for lines to become blurred.

(Hit enter before I finished! All done)

[long gull]

i’m thinking of putting together a digital sky lore zine, so i’m working on compiling the lore we have so far. is this memory from isle showing alef falling to the kingdom of sky?

[untold notch]

we don't know who it was that fell

[hushed steeple]

Does this mean the Ancestors lie to us? Warrior of Love was seen riding a manta. They were racing. It looked like they were cooperating. But in the concert they're mass capturing the poor things...

Also, Seed of Hope: we see them killing/hiding from krills, but the concert has mantas in their place? Also, that was a civil war, wasn't it?

(Sorry I'm extremely hyped having just watched the whole thing for the first time.)

[rain pond]

I wouldn't be surprised if they used mantas as entertainment (wildlife documentaries and the like) as well as to power their tech (draining them to power diamonds)

[untold notch]

we don't know when those two events happened relative to each other , warrior of love may not have participated in capturing mantas

[halcyon abyss]

It could be?( The ancestors lying). History also gets lost like the game of telephone. No matter how close we try, there will always be truths that someone else sees, but others don't.

Hmm. Perhaps the mantas that we're getting along with in the race, are generations later mantas that are used to captivity and this would create sides for the mantas in the war.

[halcyon abyss]

(YES. SO HAPPY YOU GOT TO SEE IT! ENJOY THE HYPE!! )

[long gull]

i think the experiences of the ancestors were incredibly varied, just like us humans. someone who has lived in rural texas their whole life would have a completely different experience than someone who’s lived in tokyo their whole life

also, there are plenty of animals that we keep as pets and also use as food/supplies (like chickens)

[tall chasm]

So guys here's the thing I noticed about concert design actually was going on planning 16 months ago, so I thought about sky somehow gave us hints like these: (sorry if I made it wrong view, but it's just my pov, see if it's correct)

So here is the first tlp season when I joined, I think they might took of jellyfish and green costume with that type of cape idea.

Second flight season when there was birb (Easter egg), we became birb too.

Third abyss season like flight, abyss had fishes, underwater, so we became fishes.

Fourth Performance season when harmony hall cameby and they provide the major hint as art on the wall.

Fifth Shattering season, now here I'm confused either coz of that battle engage the shattering in eden or maybe that shard falls done with the blue sparkles fall from sky when the memories came to battleground.

So basically each season had some small small hints I picked up, is it me or really it's like connection with each other?

[halcyon abyss]

Yes! And when we're flying through the valley and watching mantas getting captured or domesticated, however it's viewed, we're Manta's. So we're watching our brethren be taken. So through the mantas lense, it's so much.

I know I felt a really strong pull for the fly through the valley and the song with how anxiety can feel. We need to let love overcome our hearts and be warriors for ourselves, just as much as we do for others. (like the mantas breaking free at the end)

[long gull]

i wouldn’t be surprised if aurora had a say in the creative design of the quests and concert. she cares a lot about the environment and animals, so with warrior (both in the quest and the concert), we see the good side of how these animals were interacted with, but in the concert we also see the negative side where they’re captured and used for fuel

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

wow, I love this!

[halcyon abyss]

SKYBOT, HOW DARE

[sharp lichen]

Oh, and for all new people here, there is 1 rule to lorechat:

1. Never like Skybot.

[pastel brook]

have you considered how the moon phase affects this?

[rain pond]

I invoketh the powers of the ancient texts

S I L E N C E B O T

[pastel brook]

When we reincarnate after Eden, are we a new person or the same?

[halcyon abyss]

A bit of both. We're not who we were, we're growing to be who we're meant to be!

[sharp lichen]

Let’s throw you into Eden and find out

[long gull]

let’s toss skybot into a red shard

[rain pond]

let us geomance a red shard onto skybot

[uncut pond]

I'm feeling old

[untold notch]

please just ignore skybot reacting clogs up chat more than them just saying things into the void

[uncut pond]

Yeah good point astral. Although Skybot does propose interesting things sometimes. Rarely. Very rarely.

[long gull]

i’m curious: do y’all interpret aurora as the megabird (physically or more metaphorically), a representation of the light as a whole, or something else?

[compact shale]

I interpret AURORA as the voice of Megabird. Not the whole Bird, but a part that we strengthened throughout the season. However, ancestors can worship Her with or instead of Megabird.

[rain pond]

as I stated above, I see AURORA as what Alef-Resh could have been. A kind of trinity-like situation ish where Alef-Resh and AURORA are children of Megabird, but only AURORA was able to take their seat by Megabird's side

[lapis plover]

How's it going, lore chat? Has it been nuts since the concert?

[halcyon abyss]

I viewed her as Mother Earth.

[rain pond]

Alef-Resh could have been the Hand of Megabird, and AURORA the Voice of Megabird (credits to Fruitzies for the second part.) Voice, hand, and mind.

[pastel brook]

heeheehee

[compact shale]

My AURORA theory

The 4 AURORA spirits want to help AURORA become stronger by getting others to believe and listen to Them. With the power of believers' light, AURORA can make Themselves tangible, have Their voice reach the waking world, and turn a honkton of souls into light creatures. The spirits were meant to do this while they were alive, but Eden came and the petrification resulted in their voices and important memories being taken away. When skykids came, AURORA enlisted their help to get the memories back and help them finish their mission. I have a longer version of this theory with more speculative content.

[rain pond]

The Sky Kids could have been born of "leftover data" from the creation of AURORA and Alef-Resh, minus the potential to ascend to godhood

[uncut pond]

I think Aurora was a noteworthy figure in the bigger picture of Sky lore, but not explicitly a deity or directly related to Storm and One (or as non-related as light beings can be).

We gotta remember that AURORA is a real person that exists outside of Sky, and her role in real life might be the best lead we have to deciphering her role in the world of Sky.

[rare night]

Tbh Warrior of Love would be saddened to hear that the mantas were captured by other spirits

they even treated them gently and fed the manta ☹️☹️

[compact shale]

If you assume that everything AURORA did in the concert was real and not a whole lot of illusion magic, AURORA is pretty powerful

Unless someone else was doing all the concert stuff

[long gull]

man, for some reason i can perfectly imagine aurora saying zelda’s opening monologue from breath of the wild (the “you are the light. our light.”)

[uncut pond]

That is, however, a very big assumption to make.
There's a lot of evidence to suggest it was all illusions/mindspace memory-projection magic
Also, there were 4 other spirits there, all of them with different colored lights. We've seen what spirits with colored light magic can do, so of course them lending their powers and memories to Aurora would increase her magic power

[rigid mural]

While I don't think Aurora the person is canon in Sky, I think the stories that are told through her are !

[uncut pond]

That's also a very good explanation, and one I've honestly thought about a lot because it's the one that makes the most sense really, but it's also more fun to speculate "what if she was real (in Sky)"

[fickle snow]

Maybe

[compact shale]

None of them have purple light, which is used to create illusions.

[uncut pond]

We don't actually know that. The colored lights' power might not actually fully depend on their color alone like we thought. Colored lights could also just be a Magic Ex Machina that can do whatever the game needs it to do.

[hushed steeple]

What's Skybot doing. .-.

[compact shale]

"The colored lights' power might not actually fully depend on their color alone like we thought."

Any more evidence to this outside this season? If if was just a Deus ex Machina I wouldn't believe it.

[uncut pond]

This season alone should be more than enough evidence unless you consider the whole thing non-canon, but

Enchantment and Prophecy seem to be inconsistent in what the lights can do. The orange light, for example, only conjures a bunch of glowing stone jars in the Ark, which doesn't seem to quite line up with what's shown in Prophecy murals.

Perhaps the magic of all the colored lights is tied to memories, and the color of the light represents the respective memories

[compact shale]

You have a good point with the Enchantment lights.

[halcyon abyss]

The color associating with corresponding memories is a neat idea. Because from another memory standpoint it might not look like that way. It could mean something totally different, but since the memory we follow saw it that way, we too see it that way.

[rigid mural]

you know she may have a sky account and went to see her own concert

[compact shale]

That would be funny. I wonder if she has a normal account or a dev privilege account.

[halcyon abyss]

The spirits were a wonderful piece of the show too, because they all gift her something. Furthering the thought of us not being alone. We are given things from people all the time, just by being friends with them. Their ideas, thoughts, love, experiences are all so different and the spirits are a perfect representation of people who may have helped AURORA at some point in her own journey

[keen shore]

Most likely, yes! I can list evidence if you’d like :3

[long gull]

sure, i'd really appreciate that!

[keen shore]

The first piece of evidence is a visual resemblance to skykids & the prophecy murals, which use the symbol for skykids to depict the chosen one but without the WL symbols surrounding them.

The second is the animation teaser, which although we don’t know for sure yet, seems to be teasing the time immediately after they fell & were brought to others to be explained. There’s even a possible prophecy cameo at the end >:3 as well as the ancestors who found and traveled with them looking like ushering stargazer & rejecting voyager, who found them in stargazer’s spirit memory.

[long gull]

ooh interesting, tysm for sharing!

[keen shore]

no problem! thank you so much for answering. sorry you didn’t get a response earlier

[regal forge]

I would like to theorize that looking a manta in the eyes is a challenge and they will immediately ram into you as hard as possible to assert dominance

[earnest briar]

Oh like moose and how lowering your head is seen as a challenge since moose do it to lock horns

[regal forge]

Oop-
The manta stares back
You think it’s a friendly stare and they want to get a better look at you
you are KO’d by the manta

I stand by my other theory that mantas really like to sniff things to get a reading about it

[round parrot]

So like curious puppies sniffing things out of curiosity?

[regal forge]

Yesss very sniffy
You’ll feel the sniffs and they’ll rustle you’ll hair, nip your cape, and accidentally nudge you around while they do

[ocean grove]

Whats going on lore chat?

[sharp lichen]

Not really.
The Orange Light summons butterflies and light creatures, so it may be related to light energy of some sort (like the candle flame). So it would make sense for the Prophecy use case.

[keen shore]

Heyyyy baudshaw did you see the prophecy students in the animation trailer i feel like you might have& yet I cannot remember

[sharp lichen]

Keep in mind that illusions can be done through more than colored light. After all, the shadowy ball thing is a sort of illusion, as is many other things in the Sky world.

But even with that, I don’t understand making it an illusion. It doesn’t really detract from the canon by being real; besides the thousands of Skykids coming together it seems perfectly canon

[sharp lichen]

I don’t recall there being any Prophecy students in the trailer, unless it’s in the background?

[keen shore]

thinking about them

[sharp lichen]

I have no idea if it’s a neat tie in or just generic children models

[keen shore]

considering we see voyager & stargazer in the trailer and also who the project is likely about I think a cameo is a safe bet

[ebon wind]

They share a resemblance but it could just be latest ancestor fashion

[sharp lichen]

Anyways, I think the idea of Aurora being non-canon/illusion stems from the same feat as the Little Prince being non-canon, with both of them doing crazy stuff and being collabs.

But there’s nothing really non-canon about AURORA in Sky. Nothing seems out of place.

[ebon wind]

Plus aurora was already in the game technically

[keen shore]

she does turn into a giant flying woman and take us to space, I don’t think that’s necessarily possible in the Sky world

[sharp lichen]

It could be a POV-esque child character meant to be a lens for us to view the world, or it could be Alef/King/Resh/Prince/Chosen One/Storm

[mild tapir]

I have a theory, krill are manta, crabs are birds, dark plants are butterfly.

[sharp lichen]

Depends on who you view AURORA as. I think she’s a pretty powerful being, a sort of off-shoot of the Chosen One. Given how Whales are as big (if not bigger), I wouldn’t see how it would be unbelievable

[ebon wind]

She takes us to orbit and none of the story takes place outside of already established sky locations and most of the concert looks like a kind of magic VR experience for sky kids

[mild tapir]

Maybe Aurora is like a goddess or something, a forgetting one likely.

[river crystal]

Has anyone made any links or connections with the heart warrior memories and auroras one, because this completely gives us a new insight about everything.

Like in the valley memory, when the manta are captured, does that link to the story in abyss?

in the isle of Dawn, how they were actually things growing there.

I also wanted to know what happened in the under ground caves since everything was flooded.

and in the waistand, how the manta were fighting along side the soldiers, and that spirits were fighting spirits. We also have another instance of manta fighting darkness in one of the quest in season of flight.

so does anyone have anything that we can link the stuff this to or add on from what we already know?

[halcyon abyss]

Ooh and with us helping her spirits throughout the season i.e. unlocking memories(attributes that make us who we are hope, love etc.) We've unlocked AURORA in who she is.

[ebon wind]

It's kinda interesting how a lot of places had water where there is now cloud covering

[mild tapir]

It’s most likely that when light creatures have gone corrupted it started a war between the ancestors and the dark creatures. Light vs darkness.

[sharp lichen]

I think it links absolutely. The mantas were captured for many reasons, one being the production of murals in the Treasure Reef.

The Concert showed memories of the past, so past Isle was more lush/ past Forest was more watery.

[sharp lichen]

Keep in mind the Ancestors were fighting each other as well, it was total chaos near the end

[ebon wind]

Yeah in the concert we see spears impaling both light creatures and spirits

[mild tapir]

This is what I mean by corruption, something that caused hell to break upon the kingdom

[river crystal]

Could that mean that some of the spirits were corrupted and that’s why they were fighting or was it more about the Eden king?

[mild tapir]

I think the forest was normal until it get flooded with water

[halcyon abyss]

Or it's the war that rages within humans daily.

[ebon wind]

If the spirits lived in a world where light creatures could become corrupted than its totally possible that some of the ancestors could be corrupted too

[mild tapir]

We can see the after affects of that said war in the wasteland and some parts of the forest

[river crystal]

it is possible that the ancestors spirits could’ve fought thought even though that there’s no proof of it yeah except for the wasteland one, but perhaps also the vault ancestor since they have a broken mask

[ebon wind]

I know this may be a stretch but in season of shattering we can obtain a corrupted mask and most masks are obtained from spirits

[untold notch]

shattering is a weird season for spirit lore

[ebon wind]

Yeah

[mild tapir]

Talking about the vault, almost every realm is broken or destroyed except the vault so maybe the elders and ancestors were trying to keep it save to protect there history and records.

[river crystal]

I wonder if there is a timeline of these events and how they fit into everything else, which reminds me, does anyone have a picture of a timeline of the seasons because I know there is one, but I forgot to save it, and I haven’t been able to find it in the concept art.

[cobalt palm]

What if TGC reworked the Prince / King story to the uncorrupted one being Aurora, and the King still being unseen (except in statues, murals, and shattering memory)

[mild tapir]

It actually gives plenty of information

[untold notch]

it does it's just a little jank

[halcyon abyss]

Yes! Absolutely. Humans go through many stages that leave after effects throughout every area. Scars from troubled times, that heal, but never vanish.

[sharp lichen]

In the Wasteland, there are 2 distinct logos imprinted on the shields. The first one is shown with the Wasteland Elder.

[mild tapir]

Of shattering, yes I have some of it

[cobalt palm]

Sunburst vs diamond civil warrrrr!

[ebon wind]

Some parts of vault are destroyed but they don't seem related to the destruction of the rest of the realms, so perhaps in the chaos there was some sort of break in?

[mild tapir]

What about the manta skeleton in the forest, we see a lot of bones in the wasteland so maybe the war was bigger that we think

[halcyon abyss]

Another thing we considered, is war rages for everything. A quest for knowledge is a common theme for wanting more and more. Which would make sense why a sky kid is allowed through the vault of knowledge, because a child needs knowledge to grow. They don't think about using it to their advantage or malicious reasons.

[cobalt palm]

Or vault is only a memory, as its all projected by a memory diamond

[river crystal]

I also think it’s important to note that in the memory, there was no krill… which should’ve been a big part of the war, so does that mean they came in the middle of it?

[mild tapir]

I think that the vault had an inner war

[mild tapir]

In the side quests of Aurora we see wars, soldiers, victims and krills

[pastel brook]

you cannot eat candle oh no

[cobalt palm]

there were krill in the 4th quest, I didn't see them during the concert, but that may have been before the big guns were released

[ebon wind]

It seems that way, since the final room of vault before Eden is completely full and broken however archive is destroyed and full of crabs

[halcyon abyss]

You're right, we eat the light. Thanks SKYBOT.

[river crystal]

I believe that’s going to be covered in the next season coming up

[cobalt palm]

Skybot only eats peas now

[halcyon abyss]

This dives into another cool aspect of history. We see the same event through multiple eyes

[river crystal]

is it possible that after they corrupted the manta They tried to use them in the war perhaps that could explain?

[mild tapir]

Maybe it all started with the use the darkstones and then the creation of eden diamond

[cobalt palm]

Yes, we have now had 3 renditions of it.
The aftermath after thousands of years (normal game)
From a medic during (4th quest)
And from the creatures affected by it (concert)

[halcyon abyss]

That's possible. Corruption is a leech. We see the mantas getting captured, the warrior of love being friends with the mantas, and mantas taking place in the war.

[river crystal]

with some of the creatures during the concert, they flew upwards towards Eden to escape during when it was a safe place

[mild tapir]

Do forgetting gods go into a coma or something?

[cobalt palm]

Or when they started to corrupt the symbol of the Megabird into the diamond, or even when starting to capture manta to use as transport, or possibly during deforestation...

Are the lightseekers the bad guys? 😭

[mild tapir]

Or going pass it into the orbit?

[halcyon abyss]

They may have not always been that way. Light is always pure just for something to come along to corrupt it.

Ying and yang

[river crystal]

what do you mean? I wasn’t around for the light seekers I don’t know what they did.

[mild tapir]

We can’t exactly know right now, but maybe the next seasons will give more answers, every season has given some kind of information about the past

[cobalt palm]

They caught the light from the realms, most of their story is actually told in the ark murals rather than the actual season
There were no story quests back then, only the dailies

[mild tapir]

Yeah me too, I joined during the season of shattering

[ember elbow]

anyone else just see that concert?

I havent played since Abyss so i clearly missed alot

[cobalt palm]

I have seen 3 now, and they're all beautiful

[ember elbow]

shivers!!

[mild tapir]

Every spirit has given there last memory of the past my friend

[cobalt palm]

Please keep beta in #beta-discussion

[river crystal]

my bad

[mild tapir]

By the way are they are any bones in eden?

[cobalt palm]

I can't think of any?
Unless you include those in the petrified statues

Though thousands of years of storm would wear them down I'm sure

[mild tapir]

More like giant bones

[compact shale]

Those are most likely skykids, and we have no idea what's inside those

[cobalt palm]

Also true, skykids probably don't have xray tech yet

[mild tapir]

I have some questions, a couple of digestion

[compact shale]

Would you like to be a test subject? (takes out war knife)

[frigid tinsel]

Please delete

[ember elbow]

God i have to catch up. I missed so much lore

it was so amazing that AURORA's show told the whole story

[white junco]

can you delete this?

[mild tapir]

What about the darkstones, the same ones that are used in the gates, boats ect

[river crystal]

There is to the side of the starlight desert they also appear in the little prince quest

[cobalt palm]

I have been impaled by red shards before now, knives bow before my elder mask 😂

[halcyon abyss]

AURORA on stage like: "it's okay, you can cry"

Me: already sobbing since it started thanks AURORA

[mild tapir]

I know that, I and asking if there’s giant bones in eden?

[untold notch]

there's bones???

[frigid tinsel]

There are no bones in Eden. There are bones in Vault and Wasteland

[mild tapir]

In the forest, wasteland and starlight desert

[cobalt palm]

Spiritual bones

[untold notch]

omg vaults bone room 💞

[mild tapir]

More likely to belong to mantas, giant manta

[frigid tinsel]

Or whales. Or other extinct light creatures

[lusty merlin]

with how big the ribcage is on that skeleton maybe cosmic whales?

[mild tapir]

I am studying a theory about what happened exactly to the light creatures, how did the corruption start and how it infected them

[mild tapir]

Maybe, I am still doing researches about it

[frigid tinsel]

We don’t know how light creatures are corrupted into dark creatures, we just know that they are.

[lusty merlin]

oo goodluck, cuz there's alot of theories on what exactly happened, even then there's no straight answer (as like what all 98% of skylore is like)

[uncut pond]

Light creatures got their light taken away by the ancestors in the case of krill, I believe Abyss makes that extremely clear

As for crabs, Enchantment makes it pretty evident that it was pollution in the water

[cobalt palm]

The one on the 5th floor of vault is definitely bigger than any whale, or even the sanctuary creature.
I'd probably say it's even bigger than abyss creature too.

[mild tapir]

A king whale?

[cobalt palm]

👑

[frigid tinsel]

Abyss showed how light creatures were made into power diamonds. Perhaps that process had something to led to the corruption that created krill and the leviathan.

Enchantment didn’t show how crabs were created cos the murals always depict crabs. It showed how crabs became hostile due to pollution in the water.

[river crystal]

can anyone tell me what the light seekers did/quests because I am not able to find anything on them ;-;

[frigid tinsel]

We know they did stuff with light, possibly collecting it, maybe selling/trading it. Everything else is unclear — prob why you can’t find anything on them

[uncut pond]

That's what I was intending to say, crabs got corrupted by the pollution, not created, I just missed a few words in my message

[lusty merlin]

maybe with mantas they just took all their light and they just died, but maybe krill's are so big that when enough light is taken they become unbalanced? too much darkness than light (not sure about this either tho)

[frigid tinsel]

Catlem had the idea that drained manta corpses combined in attempt to garner enough collective light to survive but due to the darkness in them, the hivemindy nature of fusing light got messed upc creating krill

[uncut pond]

Sadly there's no way to know the process that turned light creatures into krill.

I have a theory that it was in a similar way to how crabs got corrupted, polluted water, but with creature remains instead of crabs

[lusty merlin]

ooo i rlly like that idea maybe they target ancestors and skykids because they're trying to gain light so they're stable again?

as like a last ditch effort

[frigid tinsel]

I like to think darkness is draining the crabs’ light thus messing with their being, forcing them to go after other light sources like candles and skykids to get light to replace what darkness is taking from them. My corrupted skykids concept works similarly.

[lusty merlin]

yaya! and when they have enough light they're not hostile seen with graveyard fire crabs, and the ones on the far islands in sanctuary (possibly from sunlight)

other crabs like forest and wasteland and the ones in the sanctuary caves are in constant darkness tecinally

[river crystal]

I feel this could possibly back this up was when Aurora took over one of the manta, and as she left its body It became dark and covered with plants.

[frigid tinsel]

There also aren’t any darkness flakes on passive crabs, no darkness taking their light.

[halcyon abyss]

That's a wonderful idea

[lusty merlin]

hmm maybe its like darkness is the base form like with skykids when they have no light or get hit and shards appear (having the dark plant color scheme), and that light is the main lifeblood that gives shape and form, with less light than darkness some light creatures like skykids just die, or become hostile with crabs and krill

[copper saffron]

yeah this is my theory

[tulip salmon]

vault is destroyed from the third floor up (if you don't count the basement), from there nothing seem to be use for storing history, and we even see bones hanging around fifth and sixth floors

[frigid tinsel]

Or more likely Vault’s true infrastructure is obscured. It’s there but it’s currently not tangible to us.

[uncut pond]

Idk, each creature seems to have different symptoms when it comes to darkness, krill, crabs, and skids all react in a different way. Crabs only become aggressive and start growing crystals, krill are horribly mutated but don't grow crystals, and skids grow crystals but become stone instead of hostile

[lusty merlin]

could depend on the species maybe, like how certain animals have an illness just for just that species, maybe its like that

[tulip salmon]

i like this theory that vault is cover by purple light, thus line between illusion and real life blur a lot

[lusty merlin]

ya i was thinking that too! especially since after the elder cutscene your in an entirely different area

[untold notch]

now why they ourple 😂

[lusty merlin]

Vault elder likes ourple

[tulip salmon]

sorry i forgot

[halcyon abyss]

Vault was the last bastion before Eden. So from a religious standpoint it could look like Vault is the ascension, but because Eden has become corrupt, it's the descent.

[untold notch]

that emoji hurt to send

[cobalt palm]

Purpllusion

[lusty merlin]

purpllusion

[tulip salmon]

each realm had specific color orb flying around so vault is purple

[untold notch]

I should've mentioned that was a reference I'm aware of the colored lights

[lusty merlin]

excpt isle, left in the dust, we dont even get quests for it

[tulip salmon]

also each orb does contain a symbol, purple symbol is call "Mind" in game files

[lusty merlin]

oo really? that would fit in with the illusion aspect, trick of the eye

maybe before eden exploded they vault was cloaked in pourple magic to protect any important information, so maybe those memory capsules were consealed to show something different too

[halcyon abyss]

Also mindfulness, with such information we need to be aware of how to use it for good

[lusty merlin]

concert spoilers for seed of hopes song:||and at the end of "the seed" part of the concert the ancestors we're trying to get into vault, i go back and fourth of them trying to escape wasteland for refuge or not||

[tulip salmon]

there was this theory i read on tumblr:
Elder cover up damages in their realm, except for forest and GW. Isle probably got protect really hard so hardly anything is allowed to happen there

[lusty merlin]

thats interesting but if that's the case then why would isle hide their grassland then? unless the grass just died somehow, does it also explain how it would cover up for valley? or for any of the realms beside vault

[halcyon abyss]

And Isle is the beginning. The dawn of a new time, it needs to be protected and remain unscathed before it's time to move on. A clean slate

[lusty merlin]

ohh i do like that view on it

[jaunty vale]

i’m thinking about how in the “all is soft inside” quest and in the concert, jellyfish appear to come from the stones themselves. i wonder if mining the stones released the jellies, teaching the ancestors that light can be captured and held in the dark stones.

[tulip salmon]

the cyan orb between prairie and isle might been that realm quest

[halcyon abyss]

Oooooh Tac this is a great observation!; Oh my gosh.

Because if the spirits of the concert ||are essentially helping support AURORA in her journey. Then this shows us that even someone who was once a loved one to us, can be pulled into bad circumstances.||

[lusty merlin]

oohh like it was shared

[lusty merlin]

ah yeah that too :(

[tulip salmon]

maybe isle power is weak there so that's the only place we can gather any sort of lore crumb lol

[lusty merlin]

concert spoilers and yeah with ||isle elders mask being broken even before the eden collapse seen in wayfer's song would make sence, and its not just a reused model because their staff is a different color so its intentional, but it does mess my verison of the timeline tho||

[tulip salmon]

also the red orb in gw seems to be "void", but i'm basing this only off enchantment promo art so that could be wrong

[tulip salmon]

wait ||their staff is different in it?||

[noble ferry]

Quick lore question thought, sorry
Did the rain in Hidden Forest always hurt or no?

[frigid tinsel]

Darkness in rain, so prob not always.

[lusty merlin]

yaya let me find photo's

[noble ferry]

Like even way before Eden went kaboom, did the rain also hurt at that time?

[lusty merlin]

here! it is unspoiled so warning for ppl that haven't seen the concert

[tulip salmon]

either acid rain, or bc we being made of light so it's like putting out candle with water

[frigid tinsel]

Probably not. I imagine the Eden Storm is propelling darkness everywhere, which gets in the clouds and manifests in the Forest rain

[lusty merlin]

wait help false alarm im looking at their cutscsne and its the same color

[noble ferry]

Hmmmm okay! Thanks y'all for your input!

[tulip salmon]

normal water doesn't hurt us so yeh maybe rain in Forest was made from darkness

[frigid tinsel]

Isn’t Dawn’s staff in their temple cutscene crooked but here it was straight?

[lusty merlin]

if i remember right i think it wasnt, i think dark had a higher res image

[tulip salmon]

hold on lemme look at mine screenshot

ah crab my phone didn't record anything again

[lusty merlin]

nvm it was gummy but same staff, my photo is just low quality

this is what i get for not factchecking, i blame firework staff becuase of it's light brown color

[tulip salmon]

oh nah it's the same staff, wish we can have one like that tho

[lusty merlin]

god but the model has to be intentional they obviously have the other one with their mask rebuilt

||wait didn't the intro say with light the ancestor connected teh seven realms?? what if this was the beginning of it? like these were the first ancestor's ascending to the kingdome and isle hears them and comes to see what's going on, and the ancestors give them light thus helping rebuilding their mask||

this would also help not completey mess my personal timeline up with shattering since their mask breaks in the final shattering meory

[noble ferry]

i like to think that their mask breaks again during the eden kaboom incident

[lusty merlin]

i do too but maybe ||isle was starting to die but then the ancestors came along and gave them light again||

[halcyon abyss]

It could make a lot of sense why the ancestors would have eventually been a part of the war. Maybe during the rebuild, they realized the generations became too hungry for more.

[south oracle]

They forgot the extra-strength-eden-proof super glue

[halcyon abyss]

So there are the ancestors who want to be able to divvy out their power as they see, the land dwellers who always want more, then the light who wants balance

[tulip salmon]

||aurora concert felt like seeing the past but i am completely convinced that this is them in the present watching us||

[lusty merlin]

||also we see a bunch of ancestors walking at the beginning of wafer's song! so they're obviously moving or looking for a place to settle. this would imply elders existed long before ancestors but im okay with that idea||

[halcyon abyss]

The thing that got me in that scene is the sky kid who is left behind on the precipice when the boats take off

With the help of a child, they were able to take flight

[tulip salmon]

isn't that the same place winglight boi stand

[halcyon abyss]

Yes 👀

[lusty merlin]

||or they did exist before but were small villages spread out for isles temple being there||

personally I that's wayfarer, and just reused a skykid model, cannon timeline would legit break if it was a skykid, and i don't think its One (the king) either since stargazer found them, so it would've made more sence it was skygazer but it's just another ancestor

[halcyon abyss]

It could have just been a sky kid before sky kids were infused to be the ones. Just reiterating how it is to see life through the eyes of a child.

[lusty merlin]

and the other aurora spirits show up in their memory quests except wayfarer so that trend would continue for me

[lusty merlin]

if it was a random skykid then wouldn't we see more of them somewhere? minus the one in usering stargazer. The one in wayfarer's song is first showing getting off a boat if im right when the one in stargazers memory landed in isle

[tulip salmon]

i'm gonna guess that wayfarer childhood was around the time with the king fell down, bc ||why are they bowing on the precipice||

[lusty merlin]

sorry if im doubling down on this but i really believe its kid wayfarer just reusing a skykid model

[halcyon abyss]

So, for me, AURORA's journey is an internal journey for self actualization and growth with the help of community and coming together.

So they wouldn't be seen again because we don't always see the same figures throughout our life journey.

[noble ferry]

Another question actually.
Did the light stream on eden always exist before the first skykid was born?

[tulip salmon]

oh dang i just got a thought, what if they grown up,|| and the kid on the precipice is the King. They're standing along with the crowd so we didn't see them||

[lusty merlin]

never thought of that, maybe before the eden explosion that light stream was more spread out? and when the diamond came it was lore concentrated, up to what you think though

[halcyon abyss]

But I do see what you mean Tac!! I think it's a great observation to notice wayfarer is the only one not in their memory!!

[round parrot]

I think they are bowing on the precipice because of the light (or Aurora's voice) that oddly looks like "the light" we see before we enter orbit

Though it would mean that these guys would be worshippers of the light

[lusty merlin]

honestly if im a travling ancestor and see that and believed in a glowing mass of light that looks like where you ascend to after you die i would also bow to it

[round parrot]

Btw I headcanon that the 4 Aurora Spirits have souped with their respective colored lights one way or another 🎉

[lusty merlin]

oo yeah they're the only spirts with colored trails if im right!

[tulip salmon]

it seems that over time each realm and it people move to worship the king and stray further from any image of megabird. GW is heavily decorated with king statues and image of sharp star

[round parrot]

Colored trails?
Am I missing something with this? Really interested

[frigid tinsel]

Usually when spirits ascend, they’re light blue

[lusty merlin]

if i recall every other seasonal and normal spirit has blue (or yellow trails for seasonal or i cant remmeber) but the aurora spirits seem be an exception, probably with souping with the light so much

[tulip salmon]

i thought red was fire but then i remember it was orange

[tulip salmon]

purple is mind, red is...void, but red was to restore mural on the ark so probably not like that

[round parrot]

OHHH SO BASICALLY THE AURA AROUND THEM
Thanks for clarifying

[lusty merlin]

i think they're also the only ancestors to successfully make huge changes and make something with their light, indifferent alcamist failed to have purified the water in their memory but succeeded after the quest if im right

[tulip salmon]

what does the void symbolize in sky anyway, i can only think of eden darkroom and shattering

[round parrot]

Indifferent Alchemist character arc 🎉

[lusty merlin]

(seen ingame i think its implied flight guide could've lifted islands with being prairies apprentice but idk)

if im correct red light is where darkness is, shipwreck, near the polluted lake in ark ect.

[copper saffron]

this is what i think too

[lusty merlin]

im reminded how little that fact of flight guide being prairies apprentice is shown, its not even stated inagme other than the pattern on their shirt and only said outside of the game in info card, i never would've connected the dots otherwise

sorry i just hate that we dont even get a mural of them together, like your goanna introduce the elders can have apprentices and just not mention that inagme but outside the game?? cmon (k mini rant over)

[tulip salmon]

also how did they close wind path? there gotta be some kind of power to block all path with clouds

the first elder apprentices and we didn't get any info about them

[lusty merlin]

i think that too! making wind tunnels probably involved some sort of magic which would be possible, maybe it became blocked because the flight spirits weren't as strong as before

[tulip salmon]

they might have to block bc of pollution from ark, probably couldn't burn all those dark bloom and stones

[lusty merlin]

YEAH LIKE?? why were they apprentices, what was the purpose?? to replace an elder??? god it irks me that info like this are not mentioned ingame, same for shattering poems like why is it social media exclusive??

sorry i feel very strongly about tgc keeping info like this on social media and not ingame, especially if its just text, shouldn't have to join a discord server or be on soical media to access stuff like this

same for ts hints but ig that would be alot of work having to translate every message, imagine if you get a thread for the upcoming ts updates ingame, cuz ts hints are discord exclusive

anyways its cool the aurora spirit trails are the same as the color light they control🙂 👍

[pastel brook]

I hunt the grounds for peas and hate the way it hides from me

[sharp lichen]

Gameplay wise yes, lore wise no. The rain was artificially made polluted.

[tulip salmon]

i feel like they ask to be prairie apprentice bc they admire his interaction with the butterfly. They wish to have a more harmony life with light creature so that's why they choose forest. I guess they want to convince Forest elder a better way to utilize creature, rather than straight up overhunting

[lusty merlin]

yeah maybe! but would it be that simple to just ask an elder to become an apprentice? i feel like there would have to be more to the progress of becoming an apprentice

[tulip salmon]

plz made my guide relevant or partake in event plz i love them so much

[lusty merlin]

wait where does it say it was made artificially to be polluted?

[tulip salmon]

water don't hurt us, but rain does, they could be the same as the oil spilled water in gw

[sharp lichen]

Not directly stated, but context clues are there. In the Prophecy mural we see the Forest Elder creating rain using the Blue Light. There’s no need for them to willingly pollute their own land, so it has to happen unnaturally

[lusty merlin]

ah okay, maybe after eden fell maybe the explosion changed the rain (maybe from darkness? And i wont go into detail on how but rain can be black in involvement with radioactivity irl) not saying the rain in sky is radioactive but maybe after the eden explosion something similar happened, making it hurt us skykids but unclear if it hurts light creatures like birds and mantas

[tulip salmon]

aurora poems is media exclusive too, but they got too busy and stop halfway

[lusty merlin]

yeah where's warrior and seed of hopes poems hello??? i dont wanna put pressure on the artists but man im bummed we didn't get their cards

[tulip salmon]

lemme hear warrior and seed poems plz omg

[copper saffron]

give me the poem

[white junco]

when will the last 2 spirit cards return from the war

[compact shale]

When the last tree is ||eaten by megabird||

[novel marten]

and the rivers are poisoned, you cannae eat money oh no

[left quail]

I can eat chocolate coins

[sage isle]

the seed.

[keen shore]

Especially funny cause they’re the two most likely to go to war

[spring python]

“Sorry guys, seed of hope can’t have a character card because they’ve just been brutally slaughtered in battle, better luck next time!”

[spring python]

Did you have that ready 😭

[compact shale]

No lmao

[dull cave]

Hi hello hi i just finished the Aurora concert and i have to talk about it so i am coming here (if fhis is supposed to go in the seasonal events chat pls lmk im putting it here as of now bc i think this counts more as lore than anything) but but but i wanna talk more specifically about the second segment that takes place in golden wasteland,,,, i think this is the first time we get to see actual memories of the war that took place in the graveyard/battlefield between kingdoms, and this is for sure the first time we see upclose grievance of the aftermath of the battle, and while 1. it was absolutely heart shattering, it was also 2. Almost an eye opener to why we're (us players) are called children of the light, especially with the song, and also to the connection between spirits, ancestors, and creatures such as the mantas, birds, butterflies, jellyfish, etc, the memories are made of fragments of light, and memories connect us to the spirits, spirits connect us to ancestors, and so on and so forth. We're called children of the light because we are connected solely through light, which is also why we were able to experience the memories from the pov of birds, mantas, butterflies, and children ourselves. This season has been absolutely beautiful and somehow i feel as though its opened more discussion to lore than the previous season.

[austere bridge]

lorechat I had some thoughts
dawn - the senior that got held back
day - the one that’s nice to everybody for no reason
rain - emo
sunset - the Theater Kids™️
dusk - punk
night - smart kid who is super depressed and overworked
storm - the principal’s kid

[lusty merlin]

ooo i never thought of it that way but it makes alot of sence

[dull cave]

Sorry for the incredibly long rant, im just very excited and i also like how the whole thing concludes in a huge crowd inside of the valley of triumph, as the valley is a glimpse at how the spirits congregated before the war. The whole thing is gorgeous and it has my neurodivergent brain buzzing in excited circles

[austere bridge]

yea i get that feeling of my brain pacing around excitedly inside my skull about stuff like that too

[lusty merlin]

no worries long rants and analysis are welcome here! and being connected with light would fit with sky's theme of connection aswell!

[rain pond]

my headcanon for red is it represents the more destructive part of fire

orange is the comforting warmth of flame, and red is the hunger of flame which can consume forests

[flat tangle]

Oh and the blue part of a flame
Can be thought of as the 'purest' but in the end it causes the most destruction.(blue being the hottest)

Like dark stones are blue in colour so the elders that adopted them could think they were moving forward becoming more 'pure' and civilised.

But instead they are bringing about their own downfall. And affecting those who joined them

Do you think dark plants could be a byproduct of darkstones. Kinda like an unrefined version.

Cause darkstones are supposedly made of mantas and sky creatures. And in game we've seen butterflies emerging from dark plants. A source of light.

[haughty talon]

2 factions fighting

Net casting gun/canon on sides of flying ships

[slim mango]

Eh, i realized that Aurora's butterfly wing does have level 1 wing-

Same goes to spirit with cape

[rain pond]

pretty sure that's a given with NPCs

e.g. check the TSes with capes

[minor pivot]

I just found this mural in the musical voyage area before the concert started, and since i finished it already, i think the king might have started the war in golden wasteland and caused all the trouble.

[round parrot]

Well.. That isn't the king, it's a turret shaped like the king

If you look to the right side, you can see that there are 2 more figures like that, obviously there isn't more than 1 king
Secondly, these figures can be seen in GW, where you can see many of these figures, they were meant to be the turrets that were in the concept arts but got scrapped in the final game

[minor pivot]

Ohhh ok, sorry i just didnt see the other turrets, so are the soldiers fighting eachother or their just lining up for something?

[round parrot]

Hmm, it's quite vague as to why they are lining up
Though I think it symbolizes the war that happened in GW, like how Vault manifests the "starlight mural" of GW

Something about GW being shaped after a war feels very wrong - like imagine you doing 1 bad thing and then your identity being that 1 bad thing... Its just wrong

I am not certain if the war we see in the concert is the only war that happened in GW, if it isn't, I would understand the realm being defined as a place where wars happened (though it still feels very wrong to define GW as that)

[sick owl]

What if the war in sky was like a ||civil war|| i mean i haven't gone to the concert but see who these people are fighting
It looks like themselves

[lucid parcel]

Imagine if the sky wars was like, full on avatar. Each have their own specialties living in an environment where they are the strongest (this is just an idea though lmao )

[boreal nebula]

@slim mango it wasn't always a given that NPCs had that single star on the cape, for 2+ years I played this was quite a recent addition

Iirc before SoShattering that feature appeared

[olive yarrow]

A civil war between those who brutally exploit the world and those who try to defend the world

[olive yarrow]

||avatar but without the heli and sci fi techs||

[round parrot]

emphasis on "world" || ||

[olive yarrow]

yea.
i mean. Creatures of the land of sky*

[maiden parcel]

Sorry but what role do you think Aurora has on Sky? is she the queen? is it the light of sky?

[versed plover]

I think she's the light, yeah! But overall it's up to interpretation !

[cobalt palm]

If only they had listened...

The real downfall of the elders is they didn't attend Aurora's concert?

Source video:
https://fb.gg/v/hlDv_fak6X/

[round parrot]

Deserved for not listening to such godly music /j

[glad galleon]

i see no difference

remember back 2 years ago when we just looked up at the eden sky to see megabird

now look at us having a concert with her

[cobalt palm]

Aurora is the last person's name in the credits, now along with Stone Chang to appear before the Megabird glow

Everything else is: AMBER, FMOD, and AWS
Then after is the thankyou to the beta players

[glad galleon]

yahh i recall she was behind the siren singing at the start of the game and at orbit ever since

i thought this season would just be some off-lore collab with AURORA
didnt expect HER to be the canon goddess of sky

lol her discography really fits sky though

[cobalt palm]

BTW if you haven't seen it, the article from Amber is great
https://amberstudio.com/work_post/sky/

Apparently they worked on making the servers in Amazon Web Services more efficient.

Maybe the servers are the Megabird, as the Light is a place we all connect, and Aurora is the voice that guides us there and back

[frigid tinsel]

Lmao that’s my message, yall cropped me out

[odd sun]

Not sure if this is the right channel, but does anyone know the canon names of the elders? I’m pre sure there’s Sahmek in there too

[frigid tinsel]

The Elders (plus the king & prince) have names based off Hebrew letters from concept development that are no longer canon, though the fandom sometimes refers to them as such:
Isle – Daleth (ד)
Prairie – Ayin (ע)
Forest – Teth (ט)
Valley – Samekh (ס) (they share a name, though the fandom refers to as Sah and as Mekh)
Wasteland – Tsadi (צ)
Vault – Lamed (ל)
Prince – Alef (א)
King – Resh (ר)

Though it seems the devs refer to the Elders by the times of day their realms represent:
Isle – Dawn
Prairie – Day
Forest – Rain
Valley – Sunset
Wasteland – Dusk
Vault – Night
Eden – Storm

[glad galleon]

i just saw it in google

[rigid mural]

HELP Alasdair made it to the google results

[tepid veldt]

alasdair famous

[slim mango]

Hmm, Aurora (giant) eye are look like Skykids eye- closed eye face

same goes to Aurora statue (blue one)

[night barn]

I'm confused why the spirits were fighting
Why would they be fighting

[upper prism]

When we flew above the giant whirlpool right above wasteland. Blue light fell down and when you tried to fly down you got hit by a ray of darkness, lost your light. I wonder why

[sharp lichen]

Same reason why humans fight all the time

[flint schooner]

I would add I personally think it’s probably an exploiters vs exploited situation, with both spirits and creatures of light fighting together in the second category against those who were destroying the world.

[cobalt palm]

I've only just realised that there are only 8 spirits not encased in darkness, those 4 from the void, which were more elemental forces, and those 4 from Aurora. Could they be the remnants of the faithful to the Megabird after the war, and while they died, they had such light that darkness was unable to corrupt them, making them near to the elemental forces of shattering

[lean kayak]

I noticed this as well, on top of the GW temple!

[fickle snow]

😮

[fickle canyon]

I think you’re onto something here

[frail trellis]

Who is megabird? I had heard about it on a channel and curiosity struck

[frigid tinsel]

Megabird is the so-called god of Sky, may or may not be analogous to the Light, a huge amalgamation of light and light beings in space, hardly seen in game aside from when descending from Orbit after the end credits (first image). the name Megabird comes from Tom Zhao's concept art (second image) who depicts Megabird as light itself.

[frail trellis]

wow, this theory is amazing

[boreal nebula]

Just dropping this here:

I've listened to the concert just 1.5, but I got the feeling that from the first song Aurora Voice could be something different from Megabird (after all we also flew with her to Eden) because there was this part when the lyrics line was something along "who is calling me?"

Like, is Aurora the an embodiment of animal kingdom or life? And it maybe even created/called by Megabird

I've just have to put this thought into more costructive idea. But either she is called like us to Orbit or she is a fragment of Megabird's "personality" (which sort of recall too much Christianity for my taste, a parallel to the Trinity)

The other line which suggests me that she came to life like us (hence she not Megabird, but created by) is that line about "I was a living thing, before I was a human being" at also her shapeshifting skill she shared with us, changing us into animals. That's why I ponder if she might be the embodiment of the animal kingdom as I said earlier

Anyway, byye Lorechat, keep theozing

[pastel brook]

[sharp lichen]

Worst bot in history

[boreal nebula]

Poor skybot does its best

[nova kestrel]

Am I the only one who thinks the gigantic table behind the 4 player door in vault was a meeting place for all the elders?(possibly not including the vault elder), cause 6 GIANT SEATS, and we've seen our size compared to the elders,,,,

Maybe the valley elders share a seat maybe not, but yeah

[versed plover]

Season of Shattering was such a weird season.. I dunno how to fit it inside the lore ??? there weren't any spirits or sum of storytelling ueueueue

[nova kestrel]

And it would be extremely easy for the elders to open the door themselves without needing 4 people

[round flicker]

Could be

[compact shale]

Quite plausible, yes. I bet the elders just opened it as easily as a human opens a drawer lol

[keen shore]

Shattering is a really good lore season if you think about it for a bit. Provides lots of information on how darkstone worked, shows snapshots of many different memories at the moment of the disaster, & showed how the elders got in their current situation among many other things

[nova kestrel]

Rough modern sky lore timeline when

[versed plover]

Yes! that's true, I think I am confused about the timeline overall!! And also really curious about the spirits whose cosmetics we took

[frigid tinsel]

Ancient Light & Ancient Darkness

[sharp lichen]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

Here’s my theory on it!

[nova kestrel]

Curious, why did the king fall into the diamond/all the elders went to Eden? Don't really pay attention to lore in this game so I'm confused

Also who do you guys believe to be the king?

[frigid tinsel]

Sky functions more via environmental storytelling. The frozen memories heavily carried the lore that season

[keen shore]

Cant believe the entirety of shattering would’ve been avoided if One wasn’t doing backflips on top of the diamond for some reason /j

[sharp lichen]

Making a Sky lore timeline that includes all the seasons? Good luck

[sharp lichen]

#news message

This poem has more explanation

[frigid tinsel]

I don’t believe there is a king in Live — the assumptions about the king are derived from concept art, which isn’t canon but can inform thought processes the devs went through when planning. Rather, there is a Chosen One depicted on the Cave of Prophecies & Eden murals

[sharp lichen]

I honestly don’t think the Chosen One depicted on the Prophect murals is the same thing as the figure depicted in the Eden murals, but that’s just me.

In reality, “King” and “Chosen One” are extremely loose and hard to figure out characters that we know little about, so these names are mostly fanmade.

[nova kestrel]

Almost like the ancient builders /Ref

[frigid tinsel]

However both figures have the same halo

[rustic parrot]

i have a theory: aurora isnt the eden elder like most people think, she created the sky kingdoms

[keen shore]

Yeah, they’re depicted almost identical to me

[nova kestrel]

One has a sort of dress one doesn't(if looking at it visually not in the interpretation tense)

[keen shore]

people think Aurora is the Eden elder? I’m not sure what to say to that to be honest

[untold notch]

i think that aurora is just aurora

[pastel brook]

When the last tree in Hidden Forest has fallen and the rivers in Golden Wasteland are poisoned, you cannot eat darkstone oh no

[nova kestrel]

Me

[untold notch]

don't have to get out the red string and pushpins over every detail, yknow

[frigid tinsel]

Often thought that Chosen One during the events depicted in the prophecy murals was a child, often thought to be the first or proto-skykid. Their appearance in the Eden murals shows that they grew up, possibly more adult-like

[nova kestrel]

Tho our little uh pop-ups for locations can be clues to lore, like the sanctuary islands one of golden wasteland

[rain pond]

wait what if Alef-Resh was the one dropped onto the Sky Continent and AURORA was deposited onto a different continent?

[keen shore]

Hence why I said almost! :3 i think it’s a small enough difference to not really care about when trying to figure out if they’re the same person or not, after all, people can change clothes

[frigid tinsel]

We only have evidence of one continent. Let’s stick to this one

[untold notch]

sorry the "an escape from daily civilization" (skies are blood red) is really funny to me

[nova kestrel]

YOU'RE SO RIGHT LOL

[rain pond]

*perhaps not continent, but definitely nation/town separate from the Skingdom

[nova kestrel]

Still with my theory that Krills are the dark version of whales

[sharp lichen]

Though I still think that using the name “King” is similar to using the name “Megabird”, they’re both unconfirmed in Live but referenced a lot in concept arts

[nova kestrel]

Also thinking, are mantas adult versions of birds? Playing as them in the concert allowed me to look closer and they are just too similar

[keen shore]

The thing is that the word king implies a lot of things about this character’s nature that aren’t necessarily true while Megabird doesn’t as much. I’m not sure why you would want to stick to the word king when there are better proposed titles tbh

[frigid tinsel]

However “king” has connotations from concept we’re trying to avoid since they don’t fit the game’s current themes

[ember elbow]

I could have sworn one of the devs said the king is in Live, but "not how you expect"

[nova kestrel]

Season of little prince /J

[frigid tinsel]

A mod said the king/Eden Elder is in game but I haven’t been able to find any dev quotes that say that

[ember elbow]

AAAAAHHH i see. I thought it was one of the devs

[rain pond]

I just call Eden Elder Alef-Resh

why? because it sounds cool

[sharp lichen]

What connotations?

[frigid tinsel]

It’s a common misconception. Even if a dev did say that, They could also be referring to Chosen One being the current iteration of the king from concept, hence “not what you expect” if you take the concept art as canon.

[frigid tinsel]

Baud, we’ve been through this. The idea that the king is an evil totalitarian who is solely responsible for the downfall of the Sky kingdom. It doesn’t fit Sky’s themes.

[spring python]

Well I mean it’s hard to call Megabird anything else cause they’re literally a gigantic bird

[keen shore]

I might start calling them The Light, it’s possible that’s their “live version”

[spring python]

Surely not the noodle monster

[sharp lichen]

Saying it as the “King” has no bearing on that idea

It’s important to note that the King has been referenced multiple times by name by TGC devs: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[frigid tinsel]

That’s the common fandom interpretation of the king, hence I choose not to use that wording

[keen shore]

the king title has been associated with a very specific character by the fanbase, held up by the concept art, & that’s why I started calling them One instead. It’s fine if you don’t want to, I just did it myself and am deeply grateful and honored that a lot of my friends followed that lead

[nova kestrel]

[ember elbow]

Thank you Baud! Really thought I saw Ash mention it, glad to know I remembered correctly after all 🙂

[mild tapir]

Maybe the “King” was the first one to get corrupted

[frigid tinsel]

Here we go again

[rain pond]

petition to name megabird "sphere"

[spring python]

Megan

[keen shore]

what evidence in Live is there that they were corrupted? A bit lost

[mild tapir]

Live only has given us information about the war not before it

[ember elbow]

I think its mostly theory at this point. From concept art the "king" had a darkstone helm, but i cant recall this being confirmed in live.

[keen shore]

[ember elbow]

Concept art unfortunately doesnt equal complete lore confirmation. It would be nice if so, but rarely any project stays same storywise from concept to complete project

[rain pond]

thoughts on the sphere we see in the vault elder cutscene (the eden mural)?

i think it signifies The Light ("sphere"/megabird)

[ember elbow]

LOTS! I can agree with you there. A common theory is that its the "king/one/whatever-name-you-prefer" consumed the light themselves-- Cant say I've witnessed something that confirms it in live. TBH ive been stuck on the AURORA concert since it kind of confirms the civil war theory ive had since Flight.

Everyone seems to have their own thoughts on the mural. I like hearing them all 🙂

[frigid tinsel]

Season of Aurora has some damning scenes of war too

[nova kestrel]

This has been my contribution to lore haha

Peace be back another time 🕊️

[spring python]

I think they’ve been shattered to a degree they can’t go back to what they were

[ember elbow]

One of my favorite things about sky is seeing everyone's theories

I cant remember where I saw it, but I do recall someone theorizing that they sacrificed themselves to the light and it went horribly wrong

there are so many possible events!

[rain pond]

also why is Alef-Resh upside down but present in the last shattering memory

what they doin

[frigid tinsel]

I don’t think that’s them. I mean, looks very not humanoid

[snow cosmos]

they dug straight down while mining for ancient debris /ref

[keen shore]

That may not be them yeah

Or it is representative of them somehow, but with the heavy stipulation that that means that memory isn’t a 1:1 of what actually happened but is much more symbolic

[ember elbow]

Hi Vela! long time no see. we were lore discussing back in abyss.

[spring python]

I sometimes choose to pretend Shattering doesn’t exist

[sharp lichen]

But why? I love the funny emo prism

[spring python]

It’s good for my mental stability

[frigid tinsel]

Cope

[rain pond]

highly explosive octahedron of doritos

[ember elbow]

With the potential animated series being teased on their youtube, i imagine if it ends up going through to completion, we would have some amazing sights and stories

heres hoping!

[fickle snow]

i also think so

[rigid mural]

I headcanon it's one of "the behemoths that remained [who] were only the monuments to [ancestors]."
Aka.: a piece of statue, like the battlefield ones.
I think it would be poetic if what sent everything crashing was a testament to their hubris.

also only shattering love in this house, shattering enjoyers are sky's strongest soldiers

[keen shore]

You know what I feel smart for thinking about it from this angle actually. Let me bounce this around in my brain (like windows screensaver) for a bit and try to see if I can do anything with it. Sky uses similar methods to tell stories & relies heavily on specific motifs to represent people or things so I can kinda see it

[ember elbow]

weeps because i missed it. thank god i can still go through the quests

[spring python]

I’m incapable of loving human beings, I’m not gonna love a rock

[rigid mural]

ok sasuke

[pastel brook]

doesn't make any sense to me

[frigid tinsel]

Skill issue

[pastel brook]

Next up: Analyzing the diet of crabs

[snow cosmos]

the rock's not gonna love you either man :(

[spring python]

Feeling like Elmo Rn

[sharp lichen]

Ok scissors

[spring python]

“Say hello to rocko, Elmo”

“Hello Rocko 😐”

[rain pond]

oh god what if the disaster was caused by the elders' inability to do physics

[frigid tinsel]

Idk about you but the Void of Shatterng was my blorbo

[fickle snow]

well, talking bout other things. i was listening to the aurora concert (for like the idk how many time) and i saw that in the closing songs it saya

i made this quenndom on my own

and all the mountains are my throne

i know its off topic, but this reafirms the fact of aurora being the goddes of sky

[rigid mural]

i cant do math either dw

[keen shore]

You seem a bit annoyed today, what could possibly make you feel like that? Is it how you died? /ref

[rain pond]

they built a cool new statue but it collapsed onto their power plant and everything blew up 😭

aight gn

feel free to ping me so i can actually find the messages lol

[frigid tinsel]

Queendom wasn’t written for Sky so I don’t think the lyrics here can be literal. Also it plays during a moshpit

[spring python]

HELP yeah in case you don’t know I died by slipping on a rock then I drowned in a sea of rocks

[fickle snow]

i wont ping you, and yes, i know it wasnt wtitten for sky, but the songs, even if they dont belong to sky originally, are very carefully choosen, they are clearly more than just songs with zero relation to sky (altough irl they are just that, songs)

[pastel brook]

thats REALLY deep fam

[white junco]

i love the mosh pit

[sharp lichen]

If only there was me

[quick jasper]

shattering is dear to me because i like throwing shard memories at my skykids <3

[fickle wing]

transgender

[snow cosmos]

they're related, sure, but not every word or lyric is a direct 1-to-1 reference to the exact way things are in Sky

Queendom is a song about creating a place where everyone is accepted and has a home, i think that's more relevant than it positioning Aurora as a ruler

[fickle snow]

i know, but there are stilll lots of sus coincidences

[white junco]

sus you say

[keen shore]

no don’t do it

[snow cosmos]

oh boy

[spring python]

Methinks through the eyes of a child seems more likely to have been inspo, along some others songs like inhale exhale (idk if that’s the correct order)

[fickle wing]

sus…………………

[white junco]

i love sus ayin orb

[rigid mural]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/632004389137154048/981752615887048734/Illustration_sans_titre-1-1.gif

[snow cosmos]

ayinmongus

[spring python]

This is the price I have to pay for knowing how to read

[fickle snow]

XD

[ember elbow]

im sorry, what does /ref mean?

[fickle wing]

shoutout to among us ayin n daleth love wins

[keen shore]

It means everything before the slash is a reference!

[rigid mural]

gay marriage

[spring python]

And what a reference it is

[white junco]

hop on amongus we’re doing gay marriage

[ember elbow]

thank you!

[fickle wing]

cant spell among us without US

[rigid mural]

im surprised you didnt get sniped spade

[white junco]

love wins

[spring python]

For being gay?

[white junco]

me too actually

[untold notch]

rhythmcore

[frigid tinsel]

(Thanks for the consideration but btw you can still reply to my messages just don’t ping me)

[spring python]

Lets ask rhythm what they think: 🎤🥶

[white junco]

amongus used 2 be a banned phrase

[fickle snow]

going back to aurora song.... yes i know, but what is sky? just that, a place where everyone is accepted and respected. and aurora is the voice that guides us trough it, i think that is what i am trying to say, maybe not the absolute ruler, but yes someone very powerfull at least.

[spring python]

Fair

[copper saffron]

kinda sus

[ember elbow]

I cant say Aurora's songs are specifically about sky. but those interactive scenes. totally lore heavy. shivers! shivers!!

But yeah I had a whole "waitaminnut" about her flying us to orbit

[spring python]

I do think Aurora had a degree of influence in the game since she was also involved in the project since early, maybe not completely word for word from her songs but definitely some bits

[snow cosmos]

from my understanding, Aurora suggested the songs and came up with the story concepts and characters, but again, not every single word is going to map to the events shown in memories or the concert

also i really struggle to imagine real life Aurora the person saying "hey you should make me God in your video game"

[spring python]

Btw it took the concert for me to realize what The Seed was criticizing environmental damage done for monetary gain

[ember elbow]

If anything, skys main lesson is exactly that.

[spring python]

Tbh that was kinda throwing me off too like imagine it was someone else. Imagine it was idk Ed Sheeran and now he was a canon god in the game I think I’d cry

[ember elbow]

we have forsaken our future for what seems to be skys technology advances

[frigid tinsel]

Yea I have a hard time looking at this and thinking it’s canon

[spring python]

I think the 4 spirits are telling a rather coherent story on the background of their memories tho. Not directly linked to one another through the stories themselves but by the time and context they were in

She slayed tho Ed Sheeran could never

[rigid mural]

The light around us is in constant motion. Who could not see it? Who could not feel the joy of its movement?

Once, we guided the migrating flocks. Once, behemoths flew alongside us in peace. And then we took the light from the wind. The behemoths that remained were only the monuments to ourselves. Our cities shone with a captive glow. We were enraptured as we taught our machines to bind and hoard.

The world of the present can be healed, but our past cannot be undone. Jagged remnants lie in our wake, and even for the mountain it is too much to hold.``` <https://www.thatskygame.com/news/shards-of-the-past-arrive-in-season-of-shattering>

[lusty merlin]

yeah! also wanna add for the deforestation in forest and the erosion there aswell

[sharp lichen]

If the whales are canon, then why not this?

[keen shore]

They may have been going for symbolism and emotions here more than “hey guys there’s this giant floating person here now that’s never been mentioned in the lore ever before”

[warped finch]

btw.. Isle Elder.. was coming out from the temple in the first song at the concert,when we arrived at isle.. That old Elders standing in front of the temple gate.. If you notice it!!..

[white junco]

that’s a whole glowing woman

[sharp lichen]

There is the season of Performance

[frigid tinsel]

Baud, I mean, cmon – does this fit the established universe?

[spring python]

I still think she’s supposed to be the aspect of voice cause that’s not too farfetched and it’d also reflect how she’s the only voice in the game (not counting any possible screeches an anonymous dev may have produced to create crab call)

[keen shore]

Well whales are just that large naturally, however there are no ancestors or beings in Sky that can turn into a massive glowing entity and start flying and sparkling everywhere. I hope this helps

[sharp lichen]

I could say the same thing about SOTLP

[frigid tinsel]

yea I don't think white people are canon in Sky

[ember elbow]

wheezes

[spring python]

Me holding myself back from sending the Madagascar picture again

[sharp lichen]

Season of Performance mentioned Aurora

[frigid tinsel]

prob as a teaser hint thing

[keen shore]

that was the season almost directly before this & it was a teaser mural

[spring python]

Or maybe Aurora is Performance’s god OC who’s half fairy half elder

[snow cosmos]

the most influence i'll give Giant Sparkly Aurora is that she could be an avatar or projection created by Megabird as a form more recognizable to skykids/ancestors, though this still begs the question of why. i think Aurora on her own doesn't hold any power, she's just a shape

[lusty merlin]

i mean we see whales throughout the game like 3 three times, while this for the concert will be unavailable after the season ends unless you have the concert wings, i dont think tgc would make cannon lore not accessible down the line. would also imply the asteroid cape area is cannon

[frigid tinsel]

backing up a little – Performance's god?

[spring python]

god OC as in an OC who’s a god

[ember elbow]

OC. i think thats partially a joke

[warped finch]

yesss it is @cobalt palm

[frigid tinsel]

ohhhhhhh misery trombone plays

[ember elbow]

whomp whomp whoooomp
(i am the trombone)

[lusty merlin]

beaned smh ive also made god oc's when i was a kid so i can see it

[spring python]

Tho the implication that Aurora is a god, but only in the eyes of performance because they’re music nerds is funny

[rigid mural]

performance guide has her entire discography on vinyl

[ember elbow]

its performance QG's oc clearly

[lusty merlin]

performance troupe stans aurora (real!!!) /j

[untold notch]

good for them

[warped finch]

I think.. only Elder of Isle that came out from the temple..

or maybe they are all.. and it's just us,didn'spot it yet??

[keen shore]

Worse than the rhythm troupe stans…

[lusty merlin]

ive only noted the isle elder sadly, which makes me sad because i'd love to see the other elders

[untold notch]

modest dancer posts Aurora dance tutorials and they're super popular

[rigid mural]

forgetful storyteller ratios people on sky twitter with aurora fancams

[fickle snow]

maybe she is not exactluu a goddes, but, at least she do is the voice that guides us, and definetly has a relation of some kind with megabird

[lusty merlin]

wastland goes into war

"ummmm anways stan aurora" /j

[untold notch]

rhythm and performance guides set up a stan war between the rhythm troupe and aurora

[ember elbow]

the real civil war

[spring python]

It’s a nerd off

[lusty merlin]

hi aurora
the war
ok

[keen shore]

Golden valley twitter account: Dusk has been stabbed

& you scroll into the comments to see 9000000 rhythm troupe and/or Aurora fancams

[fickle snow]

who is dusk

[snow cosmos]

Wasteland Elder

[untold notch]

when the seed started in the concert

[spring python]

“We have just confirmed that a total of a lot of people have died in a civil war in Wasteland”

“Man…. If only they had stanned Aurora though…”

[ember elbow]

Please TGC staff, we need that animated series, and we better have a filler episode for the nerd off. I expect as many filler episodes as Naruto

[cobalt palm]

I see Performance as the stay at home and train the youngers to enjoy Aurora, where Rhythm spread the word of Aurora to the 7 realms

[lusty merlin]

another name for wastland elder, some devs refer to the elders by the time of day if im right

[fickle snow]

and lets not forget that i think that the guides of those two seasons are twins or smt

[cobalt palm]

Except rain, though over here rain feels like a time of day ☔

[lusty merlin]

yaya

[spring python]

You just know the filler episodes would be heart wrenching for no reason

[rigid mural]

moonsoons

[cobalt palm]

There was a fanart of that

[untold notch]

I need a filler episode of the prophecy group playing DND in their gay nerd cave that I know they have

[spring python]

Oh we call it the Fox’s wedding when it’s raining and sunny

[keen shore]

“10 times admiring actor was a sweet gay baby at the grocery store” videos

[ember elbow]

I just have to mention now, too.

Sky is based off of the life cycle, but it also seems to be very heavily about climate change and pollution.

Now my head is spinning. what is the real connotations or message of this story? That our planet has the same life cycle as our own human lives?

im reaching, i think.

[cobalt palm]

Wait, if you Stan Eminem, isn't that a bad thing?

[olive yarrow]

And maybe also war

[frigid tinsel]

be kind to the environment – we only have one planet we call home

[spring python]

“Frantic Stagehand being relatable compilation”

[keen shore]

“Sorry for not posting much on my rhythm fan page recently, I got drafted into the war”

[spring python]

Specially considering they chose to play The Seed when we go through Wasteland Battefield

[lusty merlin]

HELP

[ember elbow]

i am gonna watch that concert over and over just to try and absorb as many small details as possible. I do feel like the song selection was purposeful, up until the finale

[fickle snow]

x2

[lusty merlin]

Yaya! especilly "when the last tree has fallen and the river's are poison" when wasteland waters are harmful to us

[fickle snow]

yes

[ember elbow]

you cannot eat money

[lusty merlin]

though slouch does drink dark water so maybe its harmful to skykids?

[keen shore]

i am fully confident I have several friends, some of them here, who would try to eat money and succeed

[ember elbow]

are your friends feral? /j

[keen shore]

No they just like eating road tar

[spring python]

This is a headcanon, not a theory, but I like to think this was Rain’s thought process after seeing what they (indirectly or directly idk) caused to their realm

[lusty merlin]

the way ik exactly who your talking about

[spring python]

I legitimately drank grass yesterday but it was an accident

[untold notch]

is echo even here come on

[keen shore]

Echo eats poisonous plants on purpose and suffers no consequences

[rigid mural]

I think they're linked but not necesarily part of the same wheel if you see what I mean ! Sky may not have just one message after all.

Imo, the main message is about community and unity, with all the light creatures and spirits joining in the light. The areas we may die in before Eden tend to be isolated too, see how both Forest and Wasteland are below the clouds, and how the stars are synonymous to friends (friend constellations but also how you must "return the stars to the sky" as well as the spirits, and TLP to an extent (the "and they will all be your friends" line is very Sky to me). We know sailors used stars to guide themselves, so the clouds blocking the view of the sky can be a symbol of isolation and losing your way.

You also got a thing about letting go of the past, how you walk in ruins that will never be alive as they were in the past again and how the lonely realms will never see crowds of ancestors again. I feel like the areas feeling lonely without fellow players could be on purpose to draw us closer together...

And everyone already mentioned the ecological meanings with how trying to stop the cycle of life and death is useless, animal abuse, yadda yadda

[lusty merlin]

like those grass drinks?

[cobalt palm]

You're only supposed to touch it

[spring python]

No there was a handful of grass in the cup I filled with my drink

[lusty merlin]

ah, at least its nutritious

[frigid tinsel]

Echo is in the server but she doesn't have a phone number connected to her account so she can't chat 😔

[untold notch]

this is so saad

[lusty merlin]

free echo

[keen shore]

explain THIS Aurora

[spring python]

She’s retiring after that one

[lusty merlin]

yes, i WILL eat money Aurora

[spring python]

I would eat the regular one too if it hadn’t been touched by millions of people before me

[keen shore]

aurora lied to us…

[ember elbow]

and this is why i remember you vela, very poignant thank you

[lusty merlin]

mine smells like maple syrup but they're made of a sort of plastic so💔

[keen shore]

You are so right & I’m adopting this into my belief system immediatley

[lusty merlin]

let me eat the maple money

[ember elbow]

i can confirm, does not taste like maple

[spring python]

I’m a sucker for leaders who mess up and then curse themselves for eternity

[lusty merlin]

my life is a lie

[rigid iron]

Taste varies but they're all bad

[rigid mural]

i dont think that's a covid-safe activity

[keen shore]

there’s my proof

[spring python]

Just soak it in alcohol beforehand

[lusty merlin]

i dont want chemical flavor

[spring python]

It’s just spicy

[rigid iron]

I know the taste of many things: crayons, playdough, receipts, anti-tasting cartridges, etc etc

[lusty merlin]

also bea your still cursed?????

[spring python]

Btw been meaning to ask about this, is this the ancestors begging for a place in the boats or is that kid somehow summoning boats, why are they posed like that?

[frigid tinsel]

I see lorechat has returned to our regularly scheduled food crimes

[rigid iron]

Actually I just remembered I've been told not to mention I've had a crayon in this main server because I was "joking about eating inedible materials" because they assumed I'm a liar and a jokester

[rigid mural]

oh i havent tried oreos with mayonnaise yet, brb

[fickle snow]

oh no

[ember elbow]

i felt like it was them worshiping, but maybe it is begging.

[spring python]

It’s just that the kid being posed to confidently threw me off

[ember elbow]

ive only done the first memory this season and that lil kid and their mom.

im wounded.

[spring python]

She didn’t find the soft place to fall

[lusty merlin]

"Hey this a mod here, please don't spread misinformation of being able to eat inedible objects, it can be very dangerous." or something like that

[spring python]

“No more crayons for u”

[lusty merlin]

if i remember the ancestor that died was sick, i think the fall was them finally having no strength left, their posture and poses leading up it it makes it seem like their coughing, same with the kid leading them and not the other way around

[spring python]

Tbh that’s the second most cry worthy one

[keen shore]

My current running headcanon for this is that Dawn is sending down a gift of light & the others are crowding around trying to reach it

[spring python]

Oh yeah, ur right, since Dawn is also on the memory

[rigid iron]

You cannot eat crayons oh no

[frigid tinsel]

Dawn becoming a god we can touch /ref

[compact shale]

(angelic backing vocals)

[compact shale]

And the reward for reaching the light first is....

Congratulations! After just 2 days of being parentless, you can now have Dawn Themselves find someone to adopt you! :D

[spring python]

I couldn’t touch them the wind took me away 😔

Cant tell if they kneel or if the model just sunk into the ground

[lusty merlin]

i think they're just kneeling

[halcyon abyss]

I took this as a foreshadowing for viewing the world through the eyes of a child. This nomadic group traveled far, and it looks like one might be injured. So just like the birds, I personally feel that the child saw an opportunity. We could fly too.

The child is also left on the precipice. Symbolizing we can leave the smallest things behind in pursuit of other things.

(Again, this is totally just my view :3)

[compact shale]

Is Skybot joking? Discuss!

[frigid tinsel]

skybot is not a good source of reliable info

[dark pivot]

i think its a joke, but if it is lore, i think its just that the ancestors coveted darkstone the way we humans covet money, but their focus on it was their downfall, as money may be ours

[spring python]

Yeah skybot’s messages are coded by a mod not by devs

[untold notch]

skybot is also Very Annoying

also thats just adapted lyrics to the seed and skybot might randomly meniton it whenever someone says aurora

[fickle snow]

ik, we know that, (maybe), but even the fly of a fly can be LORE (jk)

[compact shale]

What would you do? Question

You are the Isle Elder, and a young orphan (Running Wayfarer) shows up at your doorstep. You now need to find them an adoptive parent(s). Who are you choosing?

[sharp lichen]

Is Aurora canon in Sky? More at 11

This is gonna be a wild ride of canonchasing

[fickle snow]

yes it will, actually it already is

[fickle snow]

either aurora or the vault elder

[sharp lichen]

Reminds me of people debating of the Little Prince is real.

[compact shale]

"Hey, God. Can you adopt this child, please?"

[untold notch]

hey there god, its me, ya boy,

[compact shale]

The Little Prince is the hallucination you see when you're about to die. /j

[versed plover]

I genuinely don't know why it is so difficult to consider Aurora even canon inside the game 😭 maybe my brain it's too simple but ?? I mean saying that she appeared suddenly inside the lore is a lie since she has always been there in orbit jeuejdjfjd

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, and the Performance mural

[compact shale]

It's difficult because AURORA is a real actual human in real life too, and she's a collab, so we can't be too sure.

[keen shore]

The struggles with her being canon are not about her voice, but about her physical form & the way she presents herself (ie. giant glowing sparkling woman) and also her powers and capabilities

[untold notch]

edgy teenager overpowered oc /j

[compact shale]

AURORA, the deity of music and gender /j

[sharp lichen]

But to make it /srs for a moment, Aurora already has the powers of illusions/memories, so some of the later parts of the concert may not be too far fetched

[fickle snow]

but lets not foget that she takes us to eden, and we .... omg actually we dont die bc we dont lose our winged lights of non-acsended spirits

[round parrot]

Hi Lorechat!
I was looking around the stadium and noticed these murals, what I find interesting is that it is in different colors (in which I thought was associated with the colored lights)

[fickle snow]

i think its just paintings of light creature

[inland moat]

is there anywhere with the full lore explained?

[compact shale]

There's a lot of things we talk about here so if you want to ask about the lore it's best to ask about a specific topic such as a particular season, something unusual you've noticed that might be important, or a particular theme the game has

You can also check the docs in the pins!

Hoo boy no way are we gonna explain EVERYTHING without you falling asleep at some point

But here's a very abridged version of the main story

||The king screwed up
There's darkness abuse
The spirits can't ascend without our help
and now we're here to ascend them||

These docs may be outdated, but they might help you think of a topic to bring up!
Lore Moth Doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18B1-SKG3toG0oH0VhOWC5o-cG9u0STAN92QvmbhTDto/edit?usp=sharing

The Canon Lore Doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10ZWJRGiJSrIXgDvJ4pST61moZbVB_hBExUjOaF-pmOE/edit?usp=sharing

[inland moat]

ty!!

[rigid iron]

Not only outdated but those docs have questionable information and sources

[sharp lichen]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

The documents above are slightly outdated and controversial, so I prefer this one more!

[short owl]

After the concert, I'm wondering if it was actually the king's fault

[sharp lichen]

The king’s fault for what?

I see you’re doing a text wall I want to see it!

[short owl]

Ok so slowmode is on so let's see how much of this I can get in one go:

• Before the ancestors were able to travel... they kinda looked desperate (basing this off the concert song, but this is further supported by the isle song memory... admittedly the only one I've found so far. The ancestors just weren't doing well.)

• Once the ancestors were able to travel, they began finding new energy sources and using artificial tools to support themselves. At first, this wouldn't have been a problem, but at scale or over a large period of time, it becomes unsustainable.

• As the kingdom grows, ancestors find more space, and need more people. More people are born to accomodate this. Doesn't seem like a problem at first but it's actually a HUGE one - since the more you grow, the bigger problem it becomes that your supplies are unsustainable. Eventually, the natural reserves (the stuff that built up because no one was using it) runs out, and ancestors are forced to resort to more drastic measures.

** This is actually likely a major source of conflict. One side sees the reality of "This is what's nessasary to provide for our people". The other side sees the reality of "This is leading to a major collapse of the environment".

• Now the king is put in a bind - care for the people for as long as possible and have a rebellion, or deny people the basic nessesities and be overthrown... by someone who will care for a smaller group of people for as long as possible.

Thus, you have an impossible situation - not because the king made a mistake, but because the reality was that the ancestors didn't have what they need to survive.

Flash forward one major disaster, one societal collapse, and a dawn of a new civilization later, and you have a new species that does not have the same needs as ancestors did, and the major players come off as greedy rather than desperate.

[sharp lichen]

What major players?

[short owl]

Sure, okay, the biggest darkstone causing distruction does look like a mistake... but whether it was a mistake made of desperation or greed matters here - in desperate situations, people do desperate things. They do things that aren't likely to work because they are running out of options. And if I'm interpreting their capture of mantas correctly, they were running out of options long before Eden fell apart.

The "Major Players" are the decision makers - for example the elders who get a lot of focus, the king themselves, and anyone else who took up leadership roles at that time (for example, if an ancestor was leading the charge in lobbying for darkstone use, they'd be considered a major player since they would have influenced the outcome).

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, Skykids are basically the endpoint of the Sky world. It’s mostly a utopia.

[untold notch]

the Golden Wasteland and Eye of Eden on the table:

[left quail]

I think sky people are more of nomads tribe.. they are from outside the realm. Decide to settle..
And for king problem, i think after rebellion the king decide to try making new energy source (eden crystal) but it goes boom and eden/capital collapse. Krill born from big boom.

[short owl]

There are a lot of advantages that skykids have compared to ancestors.

We can fly on our own, so we don't need to worry about building technology to support ourselves.

We can recharge off eachother, so as long as there are two of us, we have no need to worry about where our "next meal" is coming from.

The resources we DO use are often gained by trying to heal the world around us. Burning back darkness plants and reliving ancestor memories results in a net positive for the environment, rather than acting as a strain.

We don't increase our own numbers, so Megabird can cap our population before our presence places a strain on any resources we DO use.

We return to Megabird, sometimes often, so our numbers can be easily artificially decreased by making us spend more time with Megabird before we return home.

It's a lot easier to make utopia when you aren't worried about things like "How do we provide for our people".

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, the Skykids work almost like how a child would design them

[austere bridge]

a beautiful, near-perfect world full of children who just want to gather light, make friends, and have fun.

[hushed steeple]

“This is the ketchup kingdom! A world for kids by kids!”

[short owl]

Which... I'm wondering if Megabird almost is one?

Aurora (in game, not irl) seemed almost... like she didn't understand what was going on from the same perspective an adult might. Her first song suggested that her experiences came from being things and animals. After that, she seemed to be using the ancestors to either try to help her understand the world around her, or to interpret it so that we could understand it?

Either way, it suggests a non-human-like understanding of the world, which would be a huge impediment in guiding a human-like species. At a minimum, it would make them harder to predict, and make it harder for her to understand why giving the ancestors light didn't just help the ancestors.

She said she'd rather see the world through the eyes of a child... which suggests that there's something about the world that's either too much, or something about the world she doesn't understand. Given that song played during the fight in the golden wasteland, that may suggest that either she can change her perspective, and chose a child's perspective to try to rebuild with, or that a child's perspective was the closest she could use to understand the destruction that occurred.

Post posting note: Timing really got me on this one. I'm suggesting Megabird is almost a kid.

[austere bridge]

yea, that’s a really cool take on it.

[frigid tinsel]

“Through the Eyes of the Child” is about seeing the world through a purer perspective that hadn’t be daunted by the disillusionment and disenchantment of adulthood.

Megabird is thought to be composed of all beings of light that have ascended to Them, so Megabird would have known every perspective.

Is a child’s perspective wrong? It is not inherently ignorant, but it gives us insight to the non-human beings that live in this world. Likewise, is this really a child’s perspective or an animal’s?

[keen shore]

YES I GET YOU I have thought some variation of this for ages but you put it into words in a way I struggled with, ty

[inland moat]

ok thank you

[short owl]

I've noticed the wording when you're burning the dark plants for the giant eden rocks that enter areas is "purify the darkness". I'm wondering if that means that we're not getting rid of the darkness, just extracting the light. It could make sense, given that we're rewarded with wax light when we burn away the plants.

If that's the case, then it suggests that the ancestors shoved light into darkness in order to get the darkstones to do work. (Notably, we do this too when we use Ancestor technology), and that such shoving led to light being eventually being shoved into the ground, bothering the world around it.

[high escarp]

light creatures are often trapped in the plants too, like mantas or butterflies, and they escape after its burnt

[short owl]

Indeed... but why would dark plants trap light creatures in the first place? Especially if we then help it (least I think we might be helping it?) by pulling the light out of it?

[keen shore]

I think it’s the same reason Venus flytraps close around bugs. Light is energy; darkness consumes it and uses it to grow.

Darkstone does the same thing — it uses light as energy. So do we & light creatures in general; we can’t do anything without light. Darkness is the same way, I’d think

[high escarp]

it looks more like the darkness is simply eating it (in my opinion) the plants heavily resemble venus fly-trap leaves and have a faint glow already

its why big plants must be burnt down entirely from the leaves. if their core remains they still retain the fuel to regrow, much like a plant and its roots. small ones arent as deeply rooted

[celest spoke]

What about the dark plant that grows in the first part of Aurora concert, on the pillar her light just left iirc?

[untold notch]

the absence of light caused the darkness to manifest more? maybe she yoinked the light from the pillar on accident

[celest spoke]

She also yoinked light from the tree and it kinda curled up and died

[halcyon abyss]

After rewatching the concert, I'm totally on the side that the light of AURORA(light of the world) can make and destroy. The light was there before time and then it jumps from tree, to pillar, manta. All that corrupt or die or fall once she leaves it. So I believe the Interlude to be showing us how tired light is of always being taken advantage of. (also JUST noticed the pulsating light from my skykid in the very opening of the concert. The interlude).

From here we watch the evolution of lights never ending wayfarer. From fish to butterflies, to birds, to manta. We see a skykid figure wave farewell to the boats, and that's the last of it. I feel like that was lights first touch on seeing how a child views the world and can help.

I believe the light feels the world falling and creates the perfect explosion to start with a clean slate.(the storm at the Seed of hope.) Light sacrifices itself(us as the birds when we're shot from the sky) and the mantas in the war, to destroy what light built because it was wrong. When all that's left is a child in mourning, light can save it. Be the friend the child deserves because they view the world through such a beautiful lense. So light created sky kids, to be the unending love, and life to the world.

Imma go curl up and hug my cat now because this latest concert run was so much more emotional

[untold notch]

and the universe said i love you, because you are love /quote
just made me think of this

[rare walrus]

A little tiny head cannon but
Imagine if light interacted in some way with music which is the reason why some spirits have instruments

[halcyon abyss]

I can absolutely believe that!! Our skykids glow with music to lights voice and song. I 100% agree with that!!

Meant to add that I adore that headcanon of yours :3

[celest spoke]

literal Voice of Aurora instrument

[quiet jackal]

Can I have a basic rundown of the lore ?

[rugged jackal]

Here’s a brief timeline
-World is created (most likely by the Megabird, who is basically god)
-Ancestors and (probably) early sky children live
-King is born (probably a skykid)
-King passes all the trials and becomes ruler
-King rules
-Darkstone is invented
-War happens (reason(s) mostly unknown)
-Corruption happens
-Everyone dies
-Skykids come back and help the spirits get to orbit (the game)
Hope that helps

[pastel brook]

Did you hear that? It sounded like... wait, a moth?

[boreal nebula]

Yeah, but these are the current colors.

Before fish had blue and mantas were teal (corresponding to their natural elements) jelly were green (more linked to Mindful) and crabs were red.

I kind of liked more the previous color association

[round parrot]

IT CHANGED????

THATS TRAGIC

[boreal nebula]

But the stadium looks 🆒er with the current arrangements of colors and drapes. For example the red and blue banners are close in the middle iirc

[boreal nebula]

LOL, I wouldn't put it in that way, but it was a perfect color order, exactly as the order of the spirits (Wayfarer, Mindful, WarrLo and Seed)

[tepid veldt]

unfortunately 😔😔 #lore-discussion-spoilers message these were my thoughts when the murals first came out, but like many things of mine, they dont make lots of sense

[sharp lichen]

This goes more in detail! https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

[tacit python]

today, ive learned theres lore channel.
On that note, why is there a giant krill(?) in treasure reef? is it an actual krill? or is it something different? why is it so cool?

[sharp lichen]

I WOULD SAY SOMETHING IF MY CONNECTION WASNT SO BAD, BUT ITS BASICALLY AN BIGGER VERSION OF THE KRILL THATS PROBABLY THERE DUE TO POLLUTION

[tacit python]

but out of every place in wasteland, treasure reef SHOULD be the least polluted, no?

[short owl]

I believe my theory from back when it came out was just that dark creatures are part of the ecosystem. In the ocean, shelter is hard to find. The fact that light creatures left it alive could also mean that the the mega krill isn't actually eating the creatures themselves, just their light. This offers a possibility of a symbiotic relationship: if light creatures are struggling, the beast eats more of them, which brings them closer together to strengthen their light. If the light creatures are doing well, they leave the beast. This has the effect of helping to make sure all species can handle natural fluctuations in environment quality. This system only broke down due to environmental abuse.

[tacit python]

This leaves out what does the dark creatures get. They cant both "eat the light" and "strengthen their lights". Or did you mean the mega krill used to only eat the creatures to help, but now is just straight up consuming their light. Because it cant happen at the same time, sounds ineffective...

[short owl]

Sure they can! Light creatures naturally radiate light, at levels which strengthen when more of them are in an area. If a dark creature can get close to a light creature, some of that light can radiate on them. Get enough in one place, and a beast with a slow metabolism could get all the light it needs from the radiated light alone.

The creature may not be thinking about helping the light creatures, only about it's light intake. That means eating more if its creatures are weaker, and releasing more if they are stronger.

As long as the food creatures survive this process, it would lead to a balancing effect on them as well, since being eaten brings them closer to each other and helps them get stronger

It may not be the most efficient way to eat, but it would be extremely sustainable, which is a major plus for a creature that lives deep in the ocean.

[halcyon abyss]

Null, I ADORE that idea and to me, it makes so much sense. Especially because after the interlude of the concert, we start as fish. When the large krill explodes, it releases an untold amount of sea creatures, essentially kick starting a new life cycle. Just like the skykids.

Oh my goodness. I don't wanna work. I just wanna hang out with y'all and hear so many more!!

[short owl]

Not all of mine are happy. Be aware of this.

[halcyon abyss]

With some of the things we see in game, I can imagine and that's just how life can be. Not everything is rainbows and butterflies

[short owl]

... oh I just realized how this concert interacts with the Megabird has mind control theory.

We were literally mentally transformed and transported during this so like... Confirmed?

There were other parts of the theory which were centered on motives and those weren't at all confirmed... But she certainly can influence our minds!

[round parrot]

...May I know more about this mind control theory?
And how can Aurora influence our minds?

[short owl]

I need to shower so there will be a delay but I'll see how much I can remember

Okay so first off, this ties to concept lore where ancestors and elders turned their back on the bird, and where they weakened their own light.

My theory sort of starts with a "maybe there was a reason for this." That reason being that having too much light is dangerous. It changes you. Makes you no longer in control of yourself. This is something easier to discover if you give your light away (say, to help others) because if you do that, you can suddenly get free. (Doesn't quite sound right, but I'm rolling with it)

This escalated to a full rejection of Megabird's will for reasons I don't remember.

The important part is that the prince/king began to try to protect his friends from Megabird's power, which ultimately led to the heavy use of darkstone, and eventually a fight with light creatures who were still under Megabird's influence.

This theory also reflected my anger that we children were being asked to constantly enter Eden without so much of an explanation, where we are slowly beaten to death by darkstone.

I did not like Megabird much :p

As for the how... I'm not sure about the mechanics, but she turned us into jellyfish and mentally transported us around the kingdom. I think it's pretty safe to say that power was on display

[round parrot]

Ooooo I love that theory!!

[halcyon abyss]

This is super cool, thank you for sharing!! I can see that becoming free by giving your light away is a lot of being part of a community. We help each other when we can, naturally, especially in game where the weight of losing too much light without a friend makes everything more difficult.(it sounds great!!) And if megabird wants you to be a part of the light, why would you willingly give away the gift it bestowed onto you. I think sky kids are the perfect medium of the two, as children curiosity peaks so we go to places others might not because we haven't been there before and we would LOVE to know and see more of the world.

(Popping in to read as I can while at work )

[olive yarrow]

Have you guys ever wondered how gw used to look like without the pollution, darkness, kills, giant bones and stuff

[grim python]

this is just kinda a guess but maybe more plains + some beachy areas (since a lot of it seems to be oceans and islands)

Now that you mention it I’m kinda sad we didn’t get to see what gw used to look like during the concert

[rustic glen]

Hopefully we see that in the future animation project, I remember seeing some wasteland buildings in a concept art video they uploaded a while ago

[olive yarrow]

Golden "wasteland" look soo fresh and sunny, quite similar to prairie

[rustic glen]

yee, definetly not a wasteland

[olive yarrow]

"yet"

[lean kayak]

I love pics of gw before it became a wasteland

[rustic glen]

I know next to nothing about geography but I love how every realm is affected in a different way over time. Isle gets desertification, Forest gets erosion by water, and Wasteland gets destroyed by pollution

Praire gets away from that because it's just floating land and has the power of earth, and Valley has always been the same (at least that what it seems)

Also I think the water level rose in general, looking at the Abyss area/lab

[halcyon abyss]

Oohh!!! We get to see just a small vision with Arc 😍😍😍

[sharp lichen]

From the Aurora concert, we see Valley as a lot more watery

[lean kayak]

Man i have to go back and pay more attention to the scenery at the concert

[halcyon abyss]

yes!!! Highly recommend. Last night was my sixth attendance(including dress rehearsal :3) and I'm always finding new things!!!

A few times through GW during the concert I knew the war includes Mantas, but I couldn't even pin point contact with a manta, but last night I finally saw two people with their swords in physical slice motion against a manta and I was like

[cold lichen]

What is your theory about Hidden Forest harmful rain?

[rigid mural]

Could be a byproduct of the darkstone refineries ?

[cold lichen]

Wouldnt be too much of a stretch honestly, I think the Eye of Eden can do more damage now then when the elders were alive.
The fact that shards can actually land on any realm is really a confermation

[rigid mural]

I like to think Eden's storm made (and may still make) the weather dangerous outside the mountain.

[lean kayak]

Wait what's the dress rehearsal??

[keen shore]

I’m thinking this too, like dark water got into the water cycle and messed everything up. I think in canon the water in Forest probably hurts us too, it just doesn’t in game in order to make the realm not kill moths instantly when they try to go through it especially in Boneyard

[regal forge]

So why do you guys think social spaces are a thing
Sure they could be a game mechanic but like
what if an ancestor was just really determined to make sure their angsty teen child couldn’t go to a single realm without at least trying to make a friend

Maybe similar to how the spirits in constellations come down to thank us (the graves in the social space where you can trade with the spirit)
Ancestors could leave offerings to spirits (and elders)
And give them enough strength to visit from orbit for a short time
So it’s a social space because the graves there are to talk to pats ancestors you need guidance from-

or I’m looking too deep into this but it’s a fun concept to explore anyway

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, like shrine areas

[untold notch]

vault doesn't really have a social space what's that about

[cold lichen]

I think you could regard the entirity of the vault as a social space.
I mean from the looks of it it seems like it was a place of knowledge and discussion.

[regal forge]

Vault, the most social elder
“nice to see you have fun in eden”

[frigid tinsel]

Eden has a social space

[halcyon abyss]

So sorry for the delay! At work.

The dress rehearsal was.. two days before the 8th(I believe!) It allowed the team to test out the fluidity of the concert and if anything needed to be fixed.

[halcyon abyss]

I'll share an idea or two once I'm off work in a few hours :3

[sharp lichen]

I think it was originally created by the Forest Elder as a sort of defense, but as the realm for more polluted, it seeped into the rain.

[regal forge]

I don’t know why this made me wheeze but it did

You know what’s weird about forests rain?
The lightseeker down there has an umbrella but they still follow a route that hides under trees and such
Do you think the rain could sleep through umbrellas and such? Burn through them maybe?

[halcyon abyss]

Alright I ate my lunch, got some time to spare.

I like to believe that the bountiful forest attracted the rain overtime. Especially when the miners found the stones. But the water on the ground doesn't burn hurt us, so the land itself is still filled to the brim with light. This can be seen with the glow mushrooms on the tree(which is odd they can survive while it's raining) and that creatures can still thrive there.

[sharp lichen]

Have you ever used an umbrella in real life? If so, that might give a hint

[regal forge]

Legs are but a small sacrifice for a nice polluted rainy walk

[keen shore]

I’m still not sure myself whether they created the rain. My two options that I’m running with here:

• Rain used the rain in a desperate time to put out a wildfire that had ravaged parts of Forest, mainly the boneyard & sunny forest areas. You can still see the tree damage in that area consistent with scorched trees after a forest fire (I can grab comparison pics if necessary). This in turn caused a flood, which is why you see the flooded Underforest during the concert; even after the waters receded the ground was left a lot more unstable than it had been previously, hence why there are so many cave-in mining accidents.

OR

• The rain was always there, and Forest is a temperate rainforest. Rain used blue light to purify the water from refinery pollution runoff. However, since they’re much weaker now, that stopped working & the remnants of ancient pollution are still traveling through the water cycle.

I’m leaning towards the first because it explains the tree damage but I can see an argument for the second as well.

[halcyon abyss]

This is a neat concept to wonder and a really good point. Being children of light, we're much more durable with dangerous rain. So with them being more human than light, maybe the umbrella wasn't as durable at that time.

[sharp lichen]

I think the second option is difficult to believe with the Switch Trailer

[rugged needle]

I thought the rain was used to represent Teth's tears? I saw a tumblr post guessing why Teth and Lamed weren't present for the beta battle scene, and my theory for Teth was that they felt so guilty for being the one to manufacture the the contraptions that used the darkstone in the first place, that maybe they hid themself away in the forest.

[keen shore]

Can you elaborate on how the switch trailer is related?

I know it shows somewhere that looks like Forest, but I’m still trying to figure out whether it’s actually Forest or not because if it is, the direction they enter Isle from would be really weird

[rugged needle]

I was thinking maybe they hid themself away in the forest

[sharp lichen]

I agree that it’s a weird transition, but the scene represents Forest to a tee and there basically no confirmation of any other continents

There’s also multiple shots of a rainless Hidden Forest in the Animation Teaser

[keen shore]

Oh do you mean at the end with the autumn leaves? I think that’s Isle actually >:3

Specifically, right outside the cave of prophecies

[untold notch]

what about the switch trailer disproves that?

[keen shore]

I really hate saying this cause I want to give the animators the benefit of the doubt, but there’s a possibility that the events of the switch trailer focus more on showing off the different environments of the world and how they’ve been brought to life via animation than showing the exact events of someone traveling through the realms and out to isle. I’m hoping there’s a better way to explain how everything works in it, but it would explain a lot

[long dragon]

I'm so glad someone brought this up because it's just puzzling to me.

[eternal totem]

Aurora concepts from an intern:
https://bit.ly/3HAsqNH

[sharp lichen]

There’s also this image, which has no rain.

It depends on if the animation project has some story, which it probably does.

[lean kayak]

Oooh okay ty!

[spring python]

Btw the ground of the concert changes during it, but it’s hard to notice if you’re high up

[eternal totem]

The ground just disappears at the Queendom part

[white junco]

they didnt tell me i'd be in a splash zone but suddenly there was water

[eternal totem]

It's our tears (I'm immune btw)

[cold lichen]

This is not a serious lore headcanon

But I headcanon that Krills can spin every part of the body at least at 270 degrees.

[rigid mural]

shrimps out there looking like croissants

[spring python]

Those random tilts they have when server merge LMAO

[keen shore]

Average dog in golden wasteland

[uncut pond]

Kinda late to that convo but all that talk about the animation project just reminded me how quite a few people in here used to believe that the animation project was just gonna be the PS4 trailer, but now... I think I'm a lot more optimistic about the animation since it's very likely not a trailer but a whole project of it's own, and therefore has a bigger chance to show actual lore

[spring python]

“It don’t bite”

[keen shore]

Same here! For a moment I was disappointed when it didn’t drop for ps4, but now I’m relieved because that means it will probably show a lot more, on a story I’d really love to know more about

[spring python]

I’m hoping it’s at least 8 episodes long. One for each realm + eden. Though I wish I could be greedier and want one for the seasons too

[eternal totem]

Sky Netflix series 😁

[uncut pond]

Oh god please not Netflix. I don't want the series to get cancelled as soon as it gets greenlit

[uncut pond]

Imagine a full slice of life Sky anime where most of the episodes are just lighthearted stories of the daily life of regular spirits

[eternal totem]

That would be good for a web-series

[keen shore]

Let where is the secret 8th realm Eden is the 7th
HIDING a whole realm from us

[spring python]

Wait

[uncut pond]

Office is the 8th realm, obviously 🙄

[keen shore]

They gave golden wastrland a sequel

[spring python]

I had to count, there are only 6 main realms

The 8th realm is the friends we made along the way

[keen shore]

The 8th realm is my house 💛

[spring python]

This feels wrong I could swear there were 7 main realms outside of eden

[uncut pond]

No wait I think you're onto something here

[compact shale]

The 8th realm is everything under the main 6 realms

[frigid tinsel]

The 8th realm is the Light

[spring python]

Me summoning my constellation to hold an 8th realm (I’m ending the 7 rule)

[uncut pond]

The Light counts as "the friends we made along the way" if you think hard enough

[spring python]

Or maybe I just can’t count

Oh I think I got confused cause if you count Sunset as 2 elders there’s 7 of them 💀

[eternal totem]

6.5

[tacit python]

Speaking of animation, in the animation teaser the masks are a lot more metalic, is it? Ive always thought they are somekind of wood.

[quick jasper]

i’ve always seen the masks as being made of clay or something similar

[wide ingot]

i thought they were like clay or something aswell

[eternal totem]

They don't look metallic to me, of clay or wooden texture

[rigid iron]

Ran to get some promo stuff I found from Mundos Digitales

[keen shore]

Stargazer hiiiii

[rigid iron]

The masks are kinda shiny but I see it more like a polished stone texture

This one is my favorite cause I love the kid staring, the eepy

[quick jasper]

the kid:

[eternal totem]

Come out soon 💔

[tacit python]

Oh god thats creepy

[rigid iron]

Funny scholar with the lamp you are already my favorite

Also I think lore chat will enjoy this manta whistle which I now need in my life immediately

[wide ingot]

where can i buy it

[eternal totem]

At the soup store

[keen shore]

I love the manta whistle… my heart
I love the mask diversity in the animation projects, they remind me of beetles

[spring python]

Manta whistle (ou yeah y’all noticed already lmao)

[eternal totem]

Manta whistle

[keen shore]

Wonder if these are members of the isle bestie gang or just random guys

[wide ingot]

Manta Whistle

[tacit python]

Imagine you used a manta whistle and the mantas in the ocean start flying

[eternal totem]

Thought they were eating a snack like this at first

[spring python]

Ngl me too and it looked delicious

[keen shore]

Manta whistle

[wide ingot]

Manta Whistle

[rigid iron]

It's such a shame a lot of recent talks done by TGC people are completely lost or behind a paywall because I'd love to see the slides they had for Mundos Digitales this year. I know Cecil and someone from Illusorium had talks there about sky and animation

[rigid mural]

i want to headcanon this is a lightseeker, im this desperate

[untold notch]

manta whistle...

[spring python]

Random thought but lightseekers was such a rad name for a season I wish they’d name them stuff like that again

[quick jasper]

why are you buying whistles at the SOUP STORE-

[eternal totem]

THERE'S ONLY SOUP

[quick jasper]

what do you MEAN there's only soup, go to the next isle

[rigid iron]

Ok yeah I just looked it up it was "Interactive narrative design of Sky: Children of the Light" with Cecil Kim and Yuichiro Tanabe from ThatGameCompany and also "Play X to Start" with Evan Viera and Raul Rocha from Illusorium

[spring python]

I’m hoping it’s silent (characters don’t talk), I think a Sky animation would profit off being like Boy and the World (please watch that movie it’s so good)

[rigid iron]

Jenova Chen also did a talk at GDC that's behind a paywall so if anyone happens to have GDC Vault I have extra bags from the sky assembly that I didn't know were the same as the previous one (oopsie)

[severe abyss]

So what do we think Aurora is? She’s clearly not just any spirit. Could she be the elder of orbit? Maybe she created the Skykids when she saw what her people were doing to creatures of the light and knew that the darkness would grow stronger from it.

This is a pretty wild guess so feel free to poke holes in it.

[eternal totem]

She's only a voice, I don't think She was directly involved with any of the events leading up to the concert in any form whatsoever

[severe abyss]

If a movie or something does get made, then I agree. The beauty of Sky is how much can be said without words and the bond that can be formed between two faceless strangers from across the world.

[keen shore]

Consider: other guy in voyager’s memory
Isle bestie gang real, I love them

[halcyon abyss]

I think whoever AURORA speaks for is either the light of the world, mother earth herself, and/or our own internal journey through life.

[severe abyss]

But she’s the only spirit we’ve seen besides the elders that can take us to other places and realms like that, unless it was all an illusion which is also something we haven’t seen from normal spirits on that scale.

[severe abyss]

I think that’s likely. She definitely seems much more than one being. Perhaps the combined voices of all creatures of light?
Maybe killing her is how we unlock voice chat!

[sharp lichen]

We hear voices at least in the teasure, so I wouldn’t bet on it

(We need an animation bingo)

[halcyon abyss]

LOL. I will be on the against party of takin her out 🤣

In the concert we saw the light of her voice bounce from tree, to land, to manta and it took all three out with corruption

[eternal totem]

Memories, we're reliving memories like any other. We enter & interact with memories on a wider scale through Aurora's voice, it's not necessarily a form of time travel/teleportation.
She is a vessel for some being, but up until that point she had no involvement with the kingdom or its creation

[rigid mural]

like, paywalled on a site or paywalled because you needed a ticket ?

[untold notch]

I do think the concert is a series of memory bubbles since they look the same way that the quest memories do

[eternal totem]

They are

[frigid tinsel]

they're wearing red tho, not blue.

[eternal totem]

Oh no it's the Darkstalkers

[spring python]

Boy and the World itself would be a great inspo for a movie cause it shares a few similarities with sky. The reason why Boy and the World is all scribbled and the language they speak makes no sense its because the protagonist is a child, and one of the main songs in the movie is called "nos olhos de uma criança" which translates to "through the eyes of a child" and thats one of my favorite coincidences ever

[halcyon abyss]

Anyone at the concert about to start? 👀

[untold notch]

faction divorce...

[rigid iron]

+1 for the lore chat divorce tally board

[severe abyss]

It looks like the same kind of memories but until now, we’ve never seen them on such a large scale to my knowledge. The memories didn’t seem to focus on any one spirit either, more so the civilization as a whole.

I take back what I said about her being an elder and creating skykids as she’s definitely not that powerful, but I don’t think she’s the same kind of spirit we normally buy hearts and quests from.

[severe abyss]

I saw one earlier today and a couple times before that. It’s beautiful, isn’t it?

[halcyon abyss]

I think that's the super special thing about AURORA

She has spent all season in the bubble, collecting smaller pieces of a bigger whole and now that she has all the pieces that make her who she is... We get to see the world through her eyes and voice

[halcyon abyss]

YES It just started again, too

I do think it's an important distinction in the Running Wayfarer memory in the concert that the sky kid walking up to the edge of the precipice (where there is also a WL) is intentional to represent a Sky Kid. At first I thought it was just coincidence, especially that they're a different color than the other human spirits, and I only thought it was because the sky kid is animated, but the sky kid is the same color as the birds, and those aren't moving.

OH! And I think the color of Jelly in the mindful Miner is determined by the color of cape you're wearing :3 (not 100% on this yet!) I always get distracted and forget to check

[noble tide]

Can confirm on the jelly color, wore Scolding student cape to a concert and I was a green jelly

[severe abyss]

I think that’s true for every animal you take the form of. It made me sad because there’s no way I’ll get purple cape before January 1

[spring python]

size as well, im a super tiny jellyfish rn

[halcyon abyss]

Ohh!! THat's so cool, makes sense why I'm so big too 🤣

[severe abyss]

Now I kinda want spells that turn you into certain animals for ten minutes each

[halcyon abyss]

My husband gifted me AURORA's wings for Christmas. If you ever want to attend, I'll happily be your friend to attend again!

[severe abyss]

Thanks for the offer

[halcyon abyss]

Oh man. I wonder if the mindful miner's discovery of the Jellyfish allowed the spirits to build within the forest to allow for survival against the rains: The line "We can save what is pure it the hearts can collide."

"Please bring me light
I bear a shadow
I call them back to me
So they could feed on me" could be the jellies took safety in the caves because of the never ending rain. The caves and stone protect them.

(Just more ideas as we go through the concert )

[round parrot]

Conspiracy theory that Aurora was propaganda for Skykids to be more connected to Megabird

[halcyon abyss]

(I will admit, I don't understand anything about Megabird? )

[sharp lichen]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message Credit to Alasdair as usual

[halcyon abyss]

Thank you kindly! I shall return to read

Ooooh!! Very neat, thank you for linking that.

[halcyon abyss]

After knowing what Megabird is now, I can get behind this idea. LOL. Especially in the beginning when she sings "Who is listening to the sirens singing?" In the beginning. This could represent that listening to anything other than whatever she is preaching about could be a bad thing since Siren's are to lure those away to their demise.

[round parrot]

Well, I wouldn't say a bad thing, I would say that listening to Aurora's Voice or the Voice of the Sirens is a choice, and you can't stop anyone from making the bad choice (not that there is one anyways)

[compact shale]

I mean, fair

[frigid tinsel]

It’s important to refer to the previous line in that song: “who’s calling me for the emergency?” And considering all the calamity she described in the pre-chorus of burning forests and famines, I don’t believe she’s speaking of mythological sirens but rather emergency sirens like on ambulances and fire trucks. There is so much going horribly wrong in the world — ecological and humanitarian disasters — and much more predicated to get worse, yet most of us ignore it and go about our days.

She’s asking why nobody is listening to the singing emergency sirens, no one is abiding by the alarm, how we can remain so calm sitting in the middle of the storm that’s destroying our world, our home, each other.

Like when you hear an alarm or emergency siren blaring, that’s loud and makes you do get up and move and do something. With all these crises raising the alarm, why are we staying still and not doing anything?

[halcyon abyss]

I believe her to be the voice of mother nature and all the destruction that befalls us. I also believe her to be our inner voice about anxiety, depression, and desperation to be whole with others when sometimes all they do is take and take.

[keen shore]

Fault lines tremble underneath my glass house, but I put them out of my mind long enough to call it courage to live without a lifeline…

[halcyon abyss]

Totally agree. Choices are of will and someone's intent. The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of AURORA being the voice of a Siren. Siren's pulled deep temptation and desires out of sailors.

But that is what happened to the spirits of the world. They were drawn in by the power and desire of the light. To wield it for whatever reasons they saw.

[tepid veldt]

they announced the charities i dont know if we knew about that already but i remember there being some concern about that here?

[untold notch]

only took 6 months

[sharp lichen]

Where??

[tepid veldt]

#news

[untold notch]

days of nature and rainbow dropped which is nice

[uncut pond]

Well, it's good that they're finally announcing the charities, even if after several months

Hopefully won't take them as long next time

[round parrot]

TGC lore

[halcyon abyss]

I was thinking of the running wayfarer scene and the WL. I wonder if wing lights are memories when a previous Sky Kid did a monumental thing. So WL's are your memories of past lives.

[quick jasper]

i remember something similar being mentioned here before actually! like they are remains of when a sky kid felt a very strong emotion or had an important moment

[keen shore]

@frigid tinsel has that idea!!

also reminder that they are called lost memories in the moth exclusive updated intro, still figuring out how that works

[short owl]

... I'm listening to the concert soundtrack on loop and... do you guys think Megabird might be dying?

[tepid veldt]

the irony of that message is too funny for me i dont get it

[keen shore]

? Am I missing something