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[frigid tinsel]

[warm aspen]

Yeah, I see that they attracted to sounds. That's why I thought that there's some weird mechanism in those golden spires because the creatures either comes by light or sound. The Prairie spires are lit up by candles but has constellation-type drawings that maybe convert them into a call to the mantas. Forest's spires are powered by those diamonds tho. So we can see there's difference in power source at least.
Edit:But maybe I'm overthinking it and they just want the bell sounds

[boreal nebula]

About bunny (or rather rabbit) it recalls me of a little idea I had once which is sortof tied to Evolution Strategy

I once posted a picture of my outfit that made we wonder if all the creatures are either black or white

WHAT IF other creatures and animals had different color schemes?

So I wondered if a rabbit in Sky could be red like the mask or if in other colors. I also thought that Valley animals could be red-ish to blend in with the atmosphere, but I think the camouflage of their furr/feathers could be useless in other time of the dayspan

So I came up with the idea of a rabbit with color similar to that outfit #lore-discussion-spoilers message

A pale yellow/orange rabbit with just a little darker fluffy tail like the Stretching Guru's cape.

How would the red mask fit, you may ask? That's where the Evolution Strategy come in place : ||when in peril the rabbit either blushes or turns its face red to scare enemies much like crabs, but as a bluff . In the process the pale yellow and orange + light dark tail shift closer to the outfit color scheme||

[boreal nebula]

Well, this is Lorechat, ||overthinking, we don't do that here||

Quote from the meme aside, I am just pointing out my train of thoughts, with the little we know of the actual sky lore/technology your theory is as good as any other. You're free to keep that as your own headcanon if you like it

[warm aspen]

In addition to this, I was on Forest earlier and saw this gold spinny things. It has manta symbol in it but the Jellies came. So maybe the bell on the roof made the Jellies appear and these are for the two mantas on the area. Idk

[boreal nebula]

It could also be those 2 are for calling a manta carrying a boat which docked there and led to the temple ramp

[untold notch]

oh, it's not that deep?

Grab a shovel.

[warm aspen]

Is there a place where they showed that? So I can look at it later 😄

[boreal nebula]

I... might have spoiled you something from Windpaths (the map/area from Season of Flight)

[warm aspen]

No. I remember now. I just forgot. Actually, thinking about the lore makes me want to go back to them and look into details. Thanks! I also have to sleep 😅

[calm jay]

i wonder what the significance of these jars are, i've never noticed them before. they seem to be around assembly areas (unless they're in other areas and i've just never paid attention). what's interesting is that the symbol resembles a fermata, i don't know what it could represent outside of music

[frigid tinsel]

They correlate with the map in the Treehouse, it distinguishes the different bases

[calm jay]

huh! yeah never noticed that before, didn't even know there was a map here! that's neat

[split talon]

Can someone decode and explain to me what the latest aurora memory is about and everything that’s going on in it or is this better in #seasons-events-chat ?

[lean kayak]

I think its them mining and one of the miners got caught under the rocks, im not really sure myself eithrr

[gleaming fog]

From what I can tell, story-wise it shows a mining accident that caused a troupe of miners to almost cancel their membership to the still-alive club. Thanks to some jellies though they make it out and (I assume) stop mining in the jellyfish habitat.

Lore wise though, it confirms that this was a mining facility, and given the way that the crystals jut out, with more information it could give clues on the red crystal variants in eden.

[shrewd mango]

A symbol like this can be found in the icon for the mellow musician instrument and anniversary guitar but it's upside down 🤔

Wait nvm I just checked, their the same way up

[calm jay]

yes, what you're describing is a fermata. it's not upside down, they're both the same symbol. it means to hold a note.

[tepid veldt]

i loved this moment, jelly spirit reconciliation wouldve screamed if my voice existed

[keen shore]

I wonder if jellyfish were sacred in Forest, hence why these spirits chase them off but don’t harm them. They don’t move very fast so it would be easy to capture them for darkstone, but we only see mantas in refineries instead

[strange lion]

I interpreted it as the jellyfish helping them mine (maybe less destructively? Idk it was weird) after? Because of the part where the jellies seem to show them more crystals?

[rigid mural]

slamming this doodle in lore chat bc i think about how forest elder has a rough outside but their realm has all this angst and misery & maybe the jellyfish represent a spark of joy that's too often dismissed because it's childish and teens do not want to be children, yet it's a part of themselves they need to indulge in to heal, see how the jellyfish come as the rain stops in the boneyard

maybe the miner chases the jellyfish away like a teen would distance themselves from what would make them look childish, but later on realises these things have their own value and embracing them helps

my thoughts are a bit fuzzy, hope you get my vibe

[strange lion]

I think that makes sense. Like an edgy teen finally trusting the world enough to genuinely care about something.

[untold notch]

this is da best

[frigid tinsel]

reminds me of this quote by CS Lewis

Critics who treat adult as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.

[keen shore]

i am very tired but you are so right
I want to put jellyfish in their pocket dimension

^ I’m struggling can you tell

[rigid mural]

i think forest elder would enjoy skykids gifting them art that they made
imagining them acting all serious and aloof getting it but they take a lot of care for the little clay mantas and jellyfish drawings they get

[keen shore]

You give them a bit of clay to mess with and the first thing they make with it is a tiny jellyfish

like how whenever I am given something to sculpt with I make a little cat immediately

[untold notch]

this is the best information actually

[rigid mural]

Salem I want to open my last bag of clay with you

[keen shore]

AWWW
I have a kneaded eraser and sometimes I catch myself unconsciously sculpting it into cats

[rigid mural]

I used to make geese out of mines (lost them)

[gleaming fog]

Sticky tack is also really nice

[maiden fog]

I just want to add that I think we are following the journey of the kid from the first quest. But they are older now. I am pretty sure they were the bald one.

[white junco]

mindful miner isn’t bald tho?

[untold notch]

that might be a bug

[white junco]

ik they were bald in beta for a while

[torn eagle]

Hello hello askin for lorechats knowledge

What were the three light convergences again?

Light soup
Light salad
Anndd..??

And what are the definitions of these again?

[ashen gale]

I had a weird moment I almost broke into tears over
I was rolling through the forgotten ark and moving towards the area where you buy memory candles and noticed all the crystals and went "ohhh look memories!"

but then I realized what I was buying there and for some reason I went :(

I guess it makes sense that the magic for making memory candles and other tools would be similar in nature to the big memory crystals they stock up on in the vault

... also explains why you buy the light bottles next to the giant light bottle
and the fancy spells in front of the enchanting table

[opaque vale]

I love lore

[frigid tinsel]

don’t question why I’m awake
—soup: when two or more souls/light fuse into one.
—salad: when two or more souls inhabit one body yet remain distinct.
—sandwich: when light connects two bodies or entities together.
—shish-kebab: when proximity with light creatures alters the light of another entity.

Flatbread isn’t a shish-kebab smh

[serene light]

Yeah but didn't find kebab

[frigid tinsel]

Default emotes only go so far

[torn eagle]

Thanks al!!

[boreal nebula]

Well said. I didn't think it through about the parallel with seasons and childhood/adulthood yet (yes there was Assembly, but I couldn't go further than "they are kids having the best time of their lives"). But this thought. This thought and the 2nd Quest are the perfect explanation for choosing Forest for this Mindful Miner (which I would have never considered, since I was expecting "Green Light means 2nd Quest will be in Prairie" )

Plus the metaphor of the Jellyfish Bridge, so perfect

It would also explain why devs gave Teth Forest Elder that Jelly/Octopus hairstyle, to point out at her soft side, beside her outer shell

[boreal nebula]

I think Jellyfish seem slow, but they can actually go very fast. Consider when in Sanctuary you get near baby jelly, they suddenly squish up, away from harm. Plus since they carried us during the whole 2nd quest I think we can assume they could be the underdog in a race, surprisingly getting a good chance of win against their first glance

[still star]

And in orbit the king jellyfish shoot up from below the clouds

[boreal nebula]

YEP I spotted ever since that Season (I might be the first to spot it, or at very least, the first who pointed out here in lorechat #lore-discussion-spoilers message )

The best part, as you can see from the image in the linked comment, is that with the correct light (either candle or prop) you can see the 3 outposts standing up with different colors

[still star]

Anyone know how the jellyfish fly? Is it similar to skykids, that our capes made from light help us fly? And like how the jellyfish are made from light? Or is it something else? And also, why do jellyfish look like spirit mantas (if that’s what they’re called)?

[midnight sonnet]

Maybe they fly like how they swim irl

[boreal nebula]

@shrewd mango Mmm I think that symbol on the guitar(s ? Idk there was on that Anniverary one too!) was stated to be similar if not the same of a real life music symbol.

@calm jay meanwhile from my pov I think those symbol on the jars point out something about that corresponding outpost, which is near the Rainbow Clock (above the free wax bonefire in forest, it appears every time at 5:00 Pacific Day Time, if I recall correctly, and it was the first Rainbow present in game, before Days of Rainbow). So the others outposts symbol could recall the other spots somehow, for example the 1st outpost has a bridge, maybe pointing out about the catwalks on that outpost

[boreal nebula]

I think also the manta and the jellyfish has floating powers, just that. The only ligth creatures that actually need to flap wings to fly may be birds (and probably butterflies too)

[rigid mural]

I thought that their hairstyle was a remnant of their kitsune/lynx appearance in concept days, since they got 9 "tails" (4 in the front and 5 in the back)
Btw, elders are canonically genderless !

[sharp lichen]

Sandwich, and shish kebabs, sandwich is one light shared over multiple bodies and shish kebabs are any arrangement of light and bodies

[jade river]

Canonically bald

[sharp lichen]

I wonder if this is an extremely simplified version of the actual Sky map we see now

[slim plume]

Probably, though I'd argue that it goes into more detail since it's focused on only Forest and not the entire sky kingdom, therefore not needing to sacrifice smaller structures in favor of getting the point across from a distance

[austere bridge]

anyone wanna hear about the very demented spin on darkness sickness that came to me in a dream I came up with while bored

[slim plume]

Ooh, sure. I love ideas that come from dreams/3 am thoughts

[austere bridge]

alr alr lemme type it out cuz its kinda long

[austere bridge]

Crab Sickness: my idea for how dark crabs came to be
Crab sickness is a strange variant of darkness sickness that had drastically different effects on the ancestors. (Note: Some we able to resist in the very early stages, thus countering the disease.)
Stage 1: The infected ancestor begins to subconsciously make crab noises, often during speech. This may sometimes come along w/ darkness particles appearing on them, though that usually happens in later stages.
Stage 2: The infected ancestor feels to compelled to enter and remain in what we refer to as shrimp posture, often getting upset when forced to leave it. Often accompanied by more crab noises.
Stage 3: The infected ancestor begins feeling compelled to walk with all limbs either on or close to the ground, still accompanied by slight increases in crab noises.(Notes: All following stages will also have this increase. Between stages 3 and 4 are where the infected is usually considered irretrievable.)
Stage 4: The infected begins to try to get themselves into a crab shape as much as they can, regardless of the harm to the themselves. Those with more corrupted minds may not be able to see this as a bad thing, but with those of strong enough will, might have realized that what they are doing is wrong, only all too late.
Stage 5: The infected begins to get so crunched into a crab shape, it is hard to recognize them as an ancestor. Do note that their mind is still intact, regardless of how corrupted it may be.
Stage 6: The infected is now completely unrecognizable. During this stage, they are petrified and killed, their spirits released from this torture despite still being tied to the petrified body.
Stage 7: Although the infected is dead, their body now has become fully petrified. This form is the dark crab we know today.
2 other things: Did crab walker have it? Maybe! Perhaps they had it but were killed in the Eden calamity!
Explains crab spirits in shards now, huh?

@slim plume i finished typing it

[slim plume]

Huh, cool thought! I can definitely see the areas where this is part of a dream though, it just has that unrealistic yet realistic quality in some parts /nm

[austere bridge]

thx

if you would like to see anymore of the dark stuff inside my head, just ask
be warned, I may let out the shadow creatures /j

[boreal nebula]

Oh yeah . I forgot the hair could remind the kitsune phase 😅 . I guess it could be either a coincidence (hair recalling me an octopus/jellyfish) or maybe a vauge resemblance for both inside a game with vague lore

I'm sorry, your right about genders... My italian brain sometimes flip a coin for pronouns. Plus my mental image of that Elder is fixed on "the aunt" from some fanfic

[rigid mural]

Interestingly, their old kitsune mask is still sitting above their temple door !

[boreal nebula]

To me it sort of reminds an in-between form of Anubis and Fox Mask (Leap Dancer's maks is not bunny as I first knew it before SoDreams)

[boreal nebula]

This sickness from your dream/nightmare sort of raised a question to me. A silly question:
|| Does that mean that crabs without spores and in full health don't make crabs noises can speak ? ||

[torn eagle]

Sorry if out of topic

But can anyone give an example of the shish-kebab lightblur concept? Im having trouble imagining it since from booklem the definition is "any number of lights that are tuned into other light creatures" and from alasdair its "when proximity with light creatures alters the light of another entity" 🤔

[boreal nebula]

= 🦜

[austere bridge]

holy honk I did not think about this
well we see friendly crabs ingame still making crab noises
sooo maybe!

[boreal nebula]

Well, it could be a sickness/madness with a trait recalling crabs (the sick people noises) but maybe just a thing not correlated to them.

[austere bridge]

mayhaps!

[eternal totem]

Tfw no shish kebab lightblur soup salad sandwich lightseeker colored light core spirit gf

[boreal nebula]

Food for thoughts, well, a silly thoughts ... It seems skykids don't have a good graps on the concept of tails from the cape they have/visualize. From Shy Postman to the latest Cat Cape

I wonder how the daily life animals would look like in their imagination, all with tails at their necks or thinking a taking a dog to a walk from the tail/leash

Sort of like kid IRL sometimes draw arms not attached to shoulders

[upper prism]

Mantas do slightly flap with their wings

I guess they are just really light and are able to glide with the Wind alot

[upbeat rampart]

I feel a bit embarrassed to ask, but what lore did I miss out on from [Season of] Abyss onwards?

I'm out here 90% clueless

[raw crypt]

Ok so this is purely from my memory but after Abyss was Performance,

Performance was a Valley based season centred around theatre , most notably was quest 2 which detailed different stories that are likely tied to events/how the world works. Performance Guide is twins with Rhythm Guide (yay twin valley hc has another), and we learnt that students have more basic masks before graduating into proper masks, we also gained access behind the scenes like how the stage functions, and harmony hall, hard to explain best jsyt to explore urself!

Credit to Maelstrom for the infographic! #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[boreal nebula]

Season of Performance slightly proved the Theory of the Chosen One and being a sky kid who fell in Isle of Dawn (in one of the 1st or second quest storyline

[boreal nebula]

There is more ominous symbol of King inside Season of Shattering last Quest which IMHO might even hint the Head of The King theory (yeeted in outer space with Eden Explosion)

Or either prove Their Majesty was too close to the explosion and the mask + crown was the only thing visible in the Last Quest memory

AND maybe current Season might link Aurora to Prophecy with the 4 Colored Lights/Elements

[raw crypt]

After performance was season of shattering, which details the moments leading up to, and the exact moment of the Eden Calamity, the storytelling is a departure from the usual formula, with a new mechanic known as shard events (which according to devs were meant to be sorta here since the start) containing memories that depict the events, alongside poems that give further insight. #lore-discussion-spoilers message Here’s a link to all the poems^^

Lastly Aurora is our current season, so it’s hard to say things for certain, however it seems to be giving a lot of insight into the everyday lives of ancestors, with AURORA being a way for those stories to be told

[boreal nebula]

Side note for Shattering, darkplants seems to be able to survive even without a lightsource to feed on whatever Red Shards irradiate, making those darkplants with red in place of the blue colors and not leaving any wax from burning them.

IMHO it might prove that darkplants needs two things to survive: light to feed from and a shady/darkplace (dark being even full of Darkness), maybe like a plants IRL need water and soil nutrient

My personal headcanon is that red crystal could be just light crystals (the usual blue crystals everyone call "darkstone", another kind of living light-forms) which are in pain/agony/anger once turning red and that their black phase could be the last phase (them being burnt out, scared, traumatised )

[still star]

wait if the dark plants need light to feed on, but then need a dark place, how does that work?

if they feed on light, wouldn’t the captured mantas be dead? or do you mean like plants irl as well

[lusty merlin]

This is stretch but: Maybe dark plant plant biology is flipped for that, they grow in the shade or from well, darkness, but maybe the eden shards also carry darkness in a ironic way? But darkness plants also take light to grow more, maybe they keep butterflies or mantas and very slowly take particles of their light? Mantas are shown to drop light in the laughing spirits memory in prairie. Darkness plants themselves don’t hurt us so maybe they’re not like a venus flytrap type of plant, but a plant that waits for their source to come to them and they take any scraps from the main source. Maybe the giant darkness tree in santuary grew to that size because of the crabs, for for the one in forest elders temple? I know they don’t give light but maybe crabs evolved to not carry light anymore so they wouldn’t be targeted

[boreal nebula]

My idea is that they darkness is a good soil for them , so we see them growing in Prairie (the sunny and dark ess free realm) only in cool/shady spots (caves or shadow spots like growing mold) or near a some Darkness (like the Polluted Geyser), but since they need some kunf of light to feed they can attach to jars full of butterflies and feed themselves by induction instead of direct contact or maybe by what it is irradiated from red crystals (and maybe Assembly quests too)

But growing just by a "good soil" like red darplabts or shelves/props memory is not enough to grow a full fledged dark plant, making it devoid of light wax

[still star]

What are darplabts

[untold notch]

I consider it similar to like if your friends say a specific phrase a lot and one day you catch yourself saying the phrase? because you interact with them a lot and it kinda just wormed it's way into your vocabulary? or something like that

[boreal nebula]

I don't understand what you mean by "like plants irl as well". I dont think the mantas need to be dead, no, on the contrary, it needs a livibg light source to store drained light. Much like we bow see (again) butteflies freed from burnt plants, their modus operandi seems to slowly draining them for a better profit.

Plus I think this "not full fledged darkplant" part vohld explain that the Whale from the Whale call Whisperer the corpse there as a natural death, which, even for a giant prey, could be a good feeding source, cause its decomposition under the rain accelerated the process so plants are bigger tha bulbs but empty of a material energy, just the whisperer/whale spirit/soul

[boreal nebula]

Typo 😅

[still star]

No, not that they need to be dead, that they will die. Light creatures are made of light, and if the darkness plants feed/drain that light, won’t it just die?

[earnest briar]

Maybe it's like a symbiotic/parasitic relationship? The Dark Plants keep the Mantas alive only so they can continue to feed on their Light.

[still star]

Might be off topic as of right now but how come mantas can survive in the rain but we cant?

Also how do you guys get those emoji things on your usernames

[boreal nebula]

The fact there are , or rather were (before all the update introduced all plants rrleasing butterflies) tones of darkplants in Wasteland might point out that yes, the prey dies eventually

[untold notch]

skybot wrangling (dm skybot "I wish to be a ___" but replace the blank with the emoji you want) I think

[still star]

So how are the mantas alive then?

[boreal nebula]

They have natural light power with can let them fly forever and always rechsrge us... or maybe they can photosyntized light somehow

[still star]

that’s interesting. they’re more complex than I thought

[torn eagle]

sorry for late ping but can I alsio talk about your created terms for them?
why is light salad semiluminous? 🤔

[untold notch]

uhhh I'd have to think about what those word roots mean hold on

semi meaning (see image below) +lumin meaning light + ous for spelling I think? = the principles of a lightblur salad

[untold notch]

also please ping me for things I can't guarantee I'll see them otherwise

[warm aspen]

Just a thought, but what if red shards are just overpowered or "overcharged" rocks?
The redness are indicator of too much light absorbed into a "medium". We could tie this to the idea of the crabs and the plants getting "swept into its snare" as their poem says:
"Entranced by strange brilliance
And swept into its snare
A familiar glow that hid
Nothingness in its wake"
It's familiar because it's just an amplified version of what they needed. That's why there's red shard crabs, and seeds with too much energy that it floats (which only exists near the rocks). The Eden shard as well might have became red because of too much light that eventually exploded.

[violet sundial]

I do think dark plants thrive to an extent in brighter conditions as well though

ie prairie

[torn eagle]

its like youre saying theyre only partially light? 🤔
semiluminous but the actual concept is 2 or more different sources of light/souls are in one vessel but coexisting and are still separate

[untold notch]

the way I see it in my head is that the partial light refers to how theres multiple lights in the body and they each only partially fill the body idk words are hard and I'm pretty sure I was supposed to be asleep when I was making those words

[keen shore]

Thinking About
the trials representing different stages of the civilization theory;

First the trial of water, where you learn to respect cycles and live in tune with them; there’s a visual similar to the Eden beam at the end which disappears when you complete it
Then the trial of earth, where darkstone gets introduced & it becomes confusing which path is ‘correct’; the mazes remind me of mineshafts personally, and then you reach the tower at the end & wind starts blowing really hard from one direction
I can’t fully remember what happens in air so y’all might have to guide me but it has heavy themes of balance and striving upwards, as well as at the end, having the Suspicious Pillars similar to beckoning rulers island;
Then trial of fire. Everything is shrouded in intense darkness that kills you if you stay in it too long. You have to constantly stay near sources of light & push forward into it to get out. The shadows are probably representative of krill, and overall it’s much easier to win at this if you have friends (hehe thinkinf about the theme that we’re succeeding because of the community and support we have) & at the end we burst apart the shadows and complete the trials.

I’m also thinking about what this means timeline wise because that implies the Eden beam disappeared / was used as a power source fairly early on but that kinda conflicts with my current understanding of the timeline, it could just mean something else though? not necessarily that it disappeared but hmmm

cause if it DID vanish then, then also judging by the prophecy & Eden murals and then backtracking to stargazer, it implies that some spirit memories take place way earlier than the disaster — like centuries — and somehow petrified even without the presence of darkness & also no one cared about helping them out of that darkness before that happened, which is really weird

[rigid mural]

Consider this:

• beam, constituted of ascending creatures, is used as energy source
• ancestors start taking from the rivers of light formed by the migrating creatures feeding that beam
• beam dissappears
• prophecy of someone bringing the beam back
• King tries to by using the diamond
• boom

[keen shore]

DUDE I love the idea of the beam slowly sputtering out & going faint instead of absorbed by a diamond all at once cause I don’t think any diamond could hold the Eden beam. I also love your idea because

• Eden beam sputtering out;
• you now have to rely on elders only to ascend spirits
• the elders get trapped
• now there’s no one and nothing to ascend spirits
• spirits are stuck on the land & we have to find and help them

[rigid mural]

Maybe the elders fell when the OG beam went out ?

"Darkness came" = no beam
"And the stars fell" = elders to the rescue

It could also explain the existence of elder creatures to this day, maybe they kept on growing when left with no way to be reborn. Unfortunately, all that light they contained would make them highly sought after in a world growing dimmer...

[keen shore]

Megabird’s only solution to disasters of any sort is really just to send a bunch of stars down huh

[rigid mural]

They do so accidentally while preening

[snow cosmos]

maybe that's all They can do

[keen shore]

do you think the diamond bringing back the beam was a success or a failure? we personally do see the beam, however, it could just be that so much time passed it came back naturally

[rigid mural]

Maybe a mix of both ? The diamond could have accelerated the processus, making it look like it caused the beam to come back as predicted...

[keen shore]

Consider: the diamond got corrupted and sucks in light because it has to fuel the beam

[rigid mural]

[sharp lichen]

There’s a complication though: the Prophets could have foresaw it all. They could’ve predicted the Eden disaster coming and built the trials to warn/inform the Ancestors about the danger.

The nature of this means that Prophecy’s so, so difficult to fit on the timeline. The Prophets could be the very first Ancestors to ever appear or fairly recent

[rigid mural]

Sometimes, prophecies get misinterpreted or misunderstood though...

[snow cosmos]

okay but consider
Prophecy doesn't have to be the beginning

[keen shore]

It does seem like whatever medium the prophets got their prophecies from was mostly visual or images. Which, as everyone in this channel probably knows all too well by now, can be easily misinterpreted

[snow cosmos]

there could be generations of Ancestors we don't know about because they all ascended in Eden instead of being petrified. the Prophets could have existed around the time after the beam went out and the Elders first arrived

the Prophecy could be about the restoration of the beam rather than its destruction

[rigid mural]

The Prophecy cave paintings likely are much, much older than the spirits we met there.

[keen shore]

YEAH just because prophecy is the ‘origin story of the kingdom’ doesn’t mean it’s the origin story of the civilization! I’ve been saying this for ages! In my head the ‘kingdom’ was a really comparatively small fragment of the civilizations history, for right now (although I’m open to discussion on how to better pin it down) I see it as only lasting like twenty years

[keen shore]

I’m kinda neutral on whether I believe this, because personally I can see both what you said & the prophets we know making them — I’ll have to think about it a bit more

[rigid mural]

I like to think the white murals are older, but the golden ones activated by braziers are much more recent !

[snow cosmos]

part of me feels like the murals have to be contemporary to the Elders because they've got their recognizable features and it's hard for me to imagine a prophecy centuries old getting the appearances of key individuals right but i could be convinced otherwise

[keen shore]

GOOD POINT we also have another detail with the krill depicted in a very “drawn exactly as it appears” way instead of in basic shapes that convey the same subject, like ancestors aren’t familiar enough with them to simplify them or something
which gives us a very loose time boundary for when the murals were made; at least after the elders have been around a while, but before krills were around too long

[rigid mural]

Maybe the white ones were made soon after the elders fell (maybe they were weak and that's why they were gifted elemental powers) but the golden ones were drawn way later by the prophets we know

[keen shore]

I like the elders being weak and that’s why they were given elemental lights, soup powerup

It also implies most of their inner light is colored light, if they didn’t have a ton to begin with, which is really interesting

[snow cosmos]

i could work with that!

eden beam goes out
elders fall, acquire colored light, first prophecy murals appear featuring their arrival
time passes, prophecy murals are added onto, depicting a chosen one restoring the beam via diamond
first skykid/One/prince falls

[rigid mural]

I think a dev said the king still had an active part in the game so imo they either fused with the diamond/beam, or they're the origin of skykids, but that's an aside I've been musing on because I like thinking about a slowmo of the Eden explosion

[keen shore]

playing explosion gifs in your mind

[rigid mural]

M83's "Close your Eyes to die with the Sun" in my brain

[snow cosmos]

Vela why do we like all the same things /positive

[nimble ingot]

Agreed.
The King may not be in the game in person, so to speak.
Though may still be present in the game in other ways.

therefore possibly in the form of energy, as a legacy, as an heir, or part of the dark stone.

[keen shore]

i had the first idea you mentioned, where they kinda put themselves into the diamond as a power source, but now I’m struggling cause of my theory that that happened to the elders (but by force) during q6 so why can we go say hiiiiii to the elders and not one

[rigid mural]

Nooooo little german boy, don't stand on top of the diamond !
"OH MEIN GOTT–" vaporized

[nimble ingot]

Thought to look up the song.
Am listening to it now and got goosebumps.
Thanks, Vela.

[snow cosmos]

One dug straight down while looking for ancient debris, got 'sploded
(sorry not sorry for stealing your joke Spade)

[keen shore]

Things heard seconds before disaster:
[someone putting down end crystal] okay this is cool what happens if I touch i—

[rigid mural]

Fr tho the king is depicted below the diamond in the Eden mural, it's possible they were long dead when the elders went to investigate and got caught in another shockwave.

Sky's king 🤝 WD. Gaster

• Fell into a power generator
• Scattered across existence
• Very little known about them
• Fandom tunnel vision

[keen shore]

hey this is a tangent but you know what I think is really interesting?
first thing we always see in isle is a closeup of Eden; it’s also the first thing we see in Dawns cutscene. In Days it’s in the background but it doesn’t take over the whole screen ever. In Rains it’s entirely not there

[rigid mural]

Rain cutscene used to feature Eden in LA

[keen shore]

they forgot about it :(

[snow cosmos]

They Do Not See It

[rigid mural]

It's very prominent when you enter Valley but you keep on being distracted by sliding and racing soon after

[nimble ingot]

We found Undyne with Cackling Canoneer.

I wonder what other characters would possibly connect to Undertale (more for funzies than deep lore)

Presuming that the skykid would likely fit in as Frisk/Chara.
And would think Vault elder was once suggested to be similar to Goat mom/Toriel.

[rigid mural]

The view of Eden you get after exiting the Valley temple makes me feel Things™️
Last view of the mountain until you leave the Vault...

[keen shore]

Something that’s interesting here as well is that in quests the world as a whole is still called the kingdom of Sky [‘visit a shard of darkness fallen to the kingdom of sky’], wonder what that’s about

[snow cosmos]

hm this is probably going nowhere but thinking about like
Eden is ever-present in Isle - Dawn can't let go of the guilt/grief over the calamity
Eden is visible but not overwhelming in Prairie - Day still mourns but life moves on
Eden is basically nowhere in Forest - Rain chooses to block it out rather than wallow
Eden is visible but distracted from in Valley - Sunset keeps themself busy to avoid thinking about it
Eden is invisible through the haze in Wasteland - Dusk has depression
Eden is invisible in Vault because Vault is in the mountain - Night never stopped being in that moment

idk it's probably nothing but figured i'd throw it out there

[rigid mural]

No no no you're onto something. I like to think Eden under that lens represents how you see the end goal (death and ascention); though maybe Dawn's is more about adults fearing for newborns than toddlers being aware of death.

[snow cosmos]

maybe because the people we learn about the world's history from still call it the kingdom?

[keen shore]

that is. actually a really good explanation huh

[keen shore]

i have a loose idea for how this works in terms of event sequence but I’m still messig around with it

[nimble ingot]

A dictionary definition for Kingdom suggests "the spiritual reign or authority of God."
That or a Ruler like a King of Queen (I'll default to Ruler though)

If the elders used to rule over their realms, then their realms would be considered a kingdom.
Particularly where the ancestors reside, while what's beyond them, would be the rest of the realms.

[uncut pond]

I think you're onto something
Personally I think the visibility of Eden represents something related to the era each kingdom represents rather than the elders themselves
Or perhaps, and hear me out, it's more of a meta thing than anything, relating to you the player and what the main focus is at each point of the game
This also works in tandem with how the game deceives you making you think Eden Castle is your final objective only to make you fly past it like it never mattered during the ascension

[austere bridge]

thinking about how in both sky and undertale orange represents courage/bravery

[keen shore]

The era [or more accurately, the general mindset of that realm’s people, I can explain more if necessary] idea was my first thought as well! Like with Isle seeing Eden as really sacred and so it’s important to run for and save it as fast as possible, but later on you start to focus more on helping spirits & elders as well if that makes sense

[uncut pond]

Yeah I agree with that interpretation, I think multiple things can be true at the same time too, maybe Eden visibilty relates to both the era of each kingdom and at the same time the journey of the player and what their focus is at each moment of it (and the elder thing too, that's also a good interpretation)

[austere bridge]

yea! in forest and gw, your goal is to get to the end b/c “this place is dangerous”
in vault it’s “get to the top”. in the others it’s “get to the mountain.” you can’t do that in vault cuz ur already there.

[keen shore]

My idea is that each realm is kinda based on the mindset that people in each consecutive era would’ve had. For instance isle still holds on tight to ancient beliefs, hence why they act like that & prophecy looks like that, but as you progress, the ancestors in each realm develop more and more
It’s less that we’re seeing snapshots from specific times because that would be really weird to work out in universe, more that the culture from those specific areas didn’t move past those times

[untold notch]

when do the red and poiple lights start becoming a thing in this timeline

[austere bridge]

red: angy darkness
purple: stuff night screwed around w/ a bunch

[snow cosmos]

imo they came into being as ancestors developed (i like smallem's idea that red is tradition and purple is creativity)

[keen shore]

Red could’ve also shown up more as darkness encroached on the world, idk about purple

[rigid mural]

I liked the idea Eden isn't visible in some realms because you are meant to feel lost, especially in Forest and Wasteland.

[sharp lichen]

We really need some sort of visual aid timeline that can help us here.

In my opinion, they’re the powers of the Prophets (slightly relevant theory here:) #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[keen shore]

Also with trial of earth being a maze and it representing forest & inventions with darkstone really well,

[rigid mural]

Oh yeah that's like the french countryside not being too different from what it was during the time of the gauls in some areas, especially the ones where gigantic fields aren't worth the cost of making (like in mountainous regions) so it's still a very traditional way of farming.

[untold notch]

is this a chicken and egg situation with elder-realm influence

[sharp lichen]

What came first, the realm or the elder? Given the Switch trailer, I’d say Elder.

[keen shore]

Honestly, good point. Especially if the elders fell kinda in the middle of the timeline like Vela’s idea suggests;
Althouh, I believe they always existed, but in the form of like, numina of their realm. They only got Vaguely Ancestor Shaped when they fell

[frigid tinsel]

Really interested in the Playstatiom release trailer now

[snow cosmos]

like biblical angels taking on human-adjacent forms to avoid scaring the life out of people

[untold notch]

Megan subconsciously making People Shapes out of clay or something like your cats

[sharp lichen]

For example, Isle used to be a much different place: like a bustling, modern town, instead of an old, decaying city

[frigid tinsel]

Isle in Switch release trailer doesn’t even look like a town, just a marketplace, a bazaar, or a festival.

[keen shore]

Idk if I’d call isle in the trailer close to a town, tbh. There are tents, but it looks more like a marketplace than anything. Judging by candlemaker & the prophets (help the way I said this makes them sound like a band) isle spirits lived in caves

[snow cosmos]

it made me think of like, a harbor/dockside area of shop stalls and infrastructure springing up around places of passage

[boreal nebula]

But that wouldn't explain to me why red shards vibrate only when we get close to them (they even shrink a bit as far as I can tell, even before SoShattering)

Or maybe they do absorb more light and that ... Shake and destabilize them 🤔 it could be also read that way, but I still cannot see why it shrinks.

Plus, Shattering introduced the blue crystals getting out of our wounds (there already were petried skids with blue crystal but only now the crystals are clearly reabsorbed in our wounds after a while) which I think is a big clue about blue crystals being light crystals and not "darkstone". Which I think sort of gave more strength to my idea of crystals being a kind of living light form.

First time I thought of that was once in Eden, when I wondered why there is a petrified skid point out as if they were trying to reach (and maybe hug/help) a big red crystal. It sortof reminded me our pose in PNR when we try to reach out something before we break

[nimble ingot]

oh? I wanna see how far it may go. 🔍

Ok, here we go (this may not be directly linked to the lore, however may give fan theorists idea fodder).
(credit to this artist for the soul colours: https://www.deviantart.com/phoenix-prime-3000/art/UNDERTALE-Souls-vs-Anti-Souls-682230224)
Red - Determination
Orange - Bravery
Yellow - Justice
Green - Kindness
Cyan - Patience
Blue - Integrity (honesty)
Purple - Perseverance

While Sky's colours are a bit different. (credit to lorechat for these)
White - Purity, Light
Red - Presumably Darkness (found in Wasteland and fire trial)
Orange - Fire (found in forest and linked to fire symbol in cave of prophecies)
Yellow - Light, flame, Holiness
Green - Earth (found in Day and earth trial)
Cyan - Air/Wind (found in Day and air trial)
Blue - Water (found in Valley and water trial)
purple - possibly knowledge. magic or power diamonds (found in Vault)

[boreal nebula]

But I don't know how my idea (a sort of headcanon) could explain/fit with the poems, which I hardly read

[sharp lichen]

Maybe the Isle spirits lived in both: they used to live in tents, but then moved to caves. If the theory that candlemaker was a more recent spirit is true.

Although trying to analyze the urban design of an ancient civilization with little relation to ours is a useless endeavor, anyways

[rigid mural]

Numina ? All I'm getting ifrom google is that it's a vague will

[keen shore]

Numen should give you more results, numina is the plural

[snow cosmos]

'numen' is like, the soul of the land kinda

[keen shore]

It makes sense in my brain I’m just struggling to explain it, but basically what Birdlem said.

[rigid mural]

OH YEAH LIKE AN AVATAR

[boreal nebula]

Red? Found in Fire Trial? I don't think so. Sure there are the shadows but in the end the fire totem give us orange light. Another proof is the only Enchatmennt Orb as prop. It was from Sleeping Carperter and it has flames icon recalling the Ark mural emblem, but after an update an year ago its prop icon was switched with an Fire Emblem from Prophecy

[pastel brook]

According to my statistics, the Sky kids who sleep at least 8 hours a day are more likely to be... you won't believe it, less sleepy, amazing, right?

[uncut pond]

"Oh hey I also listen to Candlemaker & The Prophets, what's your favorite album of theirs?"

[keen shore]

this has the same energy as the cafe of prophecies typo

[rigid mural]

Cafe of prophecies is where you can both play d&d AND get your fortune read

[sharp lichen]

SHUT SKYBOT

@keen shore Oh god I need to finish that story, thanks for reminding me

[uncut pond]

They run a cafe during the day and do concerts during the night

[snow cosmos]

"if you started listening after their Child of the Falling Star album you're not a real fan smh"

[keen shore]

it’s like the rhythm troupe but worse

[snow cosmos]

hipsters

[rigid mural]

I was there for the "Broken Altars, Broken world" premiere

[nimble ingot]

Fair point.
The symbol and colours are a point of debate.
Red is related to the wasteland, which is what the wasteland elder has in the mural. While the fires in the forest mural counters that concept.
While the symbol is that of the fire (orange) light.
Notably, the eyes of the shadows are similar to the red light in shape and colour 🌀.

[rigid mural]

Grandma's food 😊

[uncut pond]

Idea: There's a battle of the bands in the kingdom
The rhythm troupe and the performance crew have an epic competition between each other, but at the last moment without anyone expecting it the prophets appear with a bunch of instruments and totally steal the show

[boreal nebula]

Yeah, but in those places (like near the 3 bells to summon mantas) those plants seems to prefer a shady spot, with not too much direct sunlight. There are even a couple of small bulbs of darkplants at the green ambient light docks (inside the Prairie caves, in the room where the sweatinf spirit end) but in that case (despite it being a perfect cool/dark spot) the jar from which they were sprouting are empty. This lead me to think that those jars were full of butterflies, but someone noticed and freed them to save them)

A similar cool/dark spot in a cave is found in the Underground Cave below Sunny Forest. There the jars ares still sealed and in a place without direct sunlight, so there plants grew there strong enough

[austere bridge]

brb imagining prophecy guide w/ a sick electric guitar and they’re playing an even sicker solo

[boreal nebula]

You sure? I think that the Wasteland Elder got the orange from fire into the king laser turrets

Plus the orange light being the mural depicting forest could be a prophecy fortelling where the Enchantment light will end up in the future. I think that cave is called Cave of Prophecies (plural) because they had different visions and they weren't sure which one was sooner. I think the 1st vision were where the Ench Lights will be found by us (prophecy corridor). The 2nd prophecy was the creations of the Trials (the blue paninting on the main cave) while the 3rd prophecy was the final one (same murals, but with the addition of the golden child/chosen one)

[untold notch]

haha did someone say an opportunity to mention my brain rot child

[keen shore]

counter argument: they didn’t get the appearance of the elders exact, that’s why dusk is just a triangle 🔻 /j

[snow cosmos]

i was waiting for the cure.s mention

[untold notch]

oh a battle of the bands? well let me present my Actual Band (does not present said Actual Band because I don't have the time)

[boreal nebula]

What an unforseen event, I guess nobody prophetized it xD

[uncut pond]

The prophets only participated because they could prophesy their victory

[untold notch]

cure.s are tangentially related to the rhythm troupe and performance crew by virtue of sibling relations

[snow cosmos]

they'd 100% be in the audience if not participating

ohhhh i bet Mellow would bring them out on stage to help with the last song or something

[keen shore]

Thinking about this, do you think the elders fell as featureless children like skykids (I vote yes but only cause I like it)

[untold notch]

but they are like Kids so it'd be mostly sweet

[uncut pond]

While the prophets are playing Mellow just joins them even tho they're on opposing teams because of their sick tunes

[untold notch]

that would set them apart another way from sky kids in that they would (maybe) be able to project their own cosmetics

[nimble ingot]

The colours on the mruals, as well as thier symbols made skykids a bit confused back in the day. I am sure of it.

The inside of the cave's mural shows the lights given to the elders differ to what the ones leading up to the cave show.
The Interior shows Forest getting blue light, Day getting green/yellow light, Valley getting cyan light, and Wasteland getting Red light. (credit to Leon for the image #lore-discussion-spoilers message)
(and the final mural image credit to Tritto #lore-discussion-spoilers message)

While the murals leading up to the cave entrance shows the same four lights in areas that presumably resemble Day, forest, Valley and Wastes. Although there were debates on the trees being that of forest, and yet blue and red light are shown near them. That and the floating islands would imply Day, if not another realm such as Dawn or Valley. Not to mention the hills of green light being likely day, even though it is not obvious.
(forgot to add these mural images, though see this message link from Spooky Kreb: #lore-discussion-spoilers message)

[boreal nebula]

Mmm since they and sky kids are different species idk... They could already have some features and refined when landing. Sortof like in Steven Universe gems have a predefined form, but can shapeshift into what is in their tastes.

Since Valley Elders are the more childish I could thing all of them having the same sort of suits but only those two kept that form. Meanwhile all others got fascinated by different trends of sky fashion. Further more, since Valley were supposed to be a giant mostly like others, by splitting they become half of what they used to be as a whole

[upper prism]

Are elders in orbit real when summoned or spirits too

[untold notch]

I think for the top mural of the two images the elders (and consequently their realms) are identifiable by their Different Shapes but it's hard to see day because of the skykid

[nimble ingot]

Yes, though I assure you there is but one elder that would be that round. XD

[nimble ingot]

Their appearance in Orbit is the same as any other encounter with them.

There has not been an encounter, cutscene or interaction with an elder in spirit form currently in Sky.
Ergo, the elders are either alive, or there is another reason why the elders are not translucent blue ghosts.

[boreal nebula]

Maybe the color changed a bit along the updates, but this is the original colors I could see back during the Season and even if the the Light "★*” Elder seems to old may seem more red, the tiny lights inside the turrets are orange

But that being said, those colors in prophecy always seemed a bit buggy. For example till this day in Earth Trial the spider totem eyes seems giving orange light to me, while the only candle checkpoint with a yellow/green light resembling the actual color seems to be only one of the 2 used to open the entrance to the maze

[slim plume]

Wasn't there a theory proposed a while back that the Elders are greyed out because they've lost light? Like how we start losing color when we lose light, they have too. That they're alive, but extremely weakened?

I just remember Vela sending in art of the elders in coloured clothing and that's what reminded me lmao

[untold notch]

velart strikes again

like a salami, one might say,

[nimble ingot]

weakened, very possibly. Though I am not sure about them being lost souls.
Unless that is a theory about the elder being forgotten or lost due to the ancestors no longer there to maintain their temples.

There may be a theory as you mentioned though. I have not been in touch with the channel that well.

[boreal nebula]

That they are weakened that's for certain, since we could see in almost all their cutscenes, but never as greyed out as us at least. Since we can summon them in Orbit Idk if we could count them as alive

Unless... They are spiritual being who original were from Orbit and took form when descending landing. So if you would ask me they never were just alive , they always had a separate dimension for their temples... They always were sort of divine

[slim plume]

I mean, if we're going off the "numina" theory from a few texts above then perhaps their forms have 'spread out' into the realms again due to them being weakened. As for them being summoned in Orbit, I think it's just them being in a 'limbo' state, neither dead nor alive, just... existing

[boreal nebula]

Maybe only their physical form is dead. But their souls could get damaged too (e.g. Isle Elder face or Vault crack/scar)

Which reminds me.. even if in Shattering last quest there is just the mask/crown left, maybe we will see their souls in some way/point inthe game (WAFO)

[slim plume]

I'm of the opinion that if we keep cleansing the realms of darkness, they'd probably be able to gain their physical forms back. I stole this headcanon from someone here, but seasonal areas lorewise have always been in the game, they've just been uncovered as time progresses and we keep cleansing the realms of darkness. It'd probably be a long time before we get physical elders walking in the realms though, if ever

[boreal nebula]

Or maybe, as a theory says, we already see them, in the form of all the winged light shattered around the realms, their souls took the heavy blow and made the same "end" of Valley Elders being split... Only not just in two xD

[slim plume]

Speaking of Elders possibly being able to physically be in the game again (which is more just a dream than an actual possibility but hush), I wonder if they'd choose to look different or if they'd come back looking like a copy-paste of themselves but with color

[nimble ingot]

Random thought.
If elders were more animated and responsive. Most of their interactions would be shooing skykids off every time one lands on them.

[boreal nebula]

Sort of like the analogy of the Gems from Steven Universe. If any of those characters lost their physical form they would eventually regain their form and change a bit their appearances

I like it. with this concept devs could justify minor changes in they modeling styles. After all their skills refined along the years

[slim plume]

Could also be justified in-universe by saying that the Elders are stronger now thanks to our efforts and that reflects in their appearance i.e. they look more detailed/defined/etc.

[boreal nebula]

Indeed, after all just a little flame powered them up alot

[slim plume]

Wasteland would have moths/chibis clinging to their cape, Forest would probably have them clinging to their arms, the Valley Twins would probably be joining said moths/chibis and Vault would be trying to pull them all off with little success

[keen shore]

YES THAT WAS MY HEADCANON!! It’s one of my favorites, Vela made art for it too :3 let me see if I can track it all down
I just really like envisioning the elders as a lot more vibrant than they currently are

[slim plume]

AAAAAAAAA I WAS THINKING THAT IT WAS YOU BUT I DIDN'T WANNA SAY JUST INCASE I GOT IT WRONG AJVGHFGSDHFGFCG

[keen shore]

I TMADE ME SO HAPPY HOLD ON IM TRADKING IT ALL DOWN

while I track down the original doodles, this piece of art also by Vela shows the headcanon in action as well

[slim plume]

I remember seeing that and it breaking my heart

[untold notch]

TSADI NOOOOOO

[hushed steeple]

I am making the Elders in the Sims 4 and need some help

What aspiration should I give each of the elders?

[rigid mural]

grill cheese

[hushed steeple]

I have:

animal
🏃‍♀️ athletic
💼 career
🎨 creativity
👮‍♂️ deviance
👪 family
🍽️ food
💸 fortune
🧠 knowledge
🪴 life
🗺️ location
❤️ love
🌴 nature
🧑‍🤝‍🧑 popularity
🛡️ shielded
🐶 and werewolf

[untold notch]

give the valley twins athletic, vault knowledge, someone should be werewolf because I remember those memes,

[hushed steeple]

ok

for valley twins i have wellness and body builder, one for each?

[rigid mural]

OK OK OK but imagine
the elders originally fell down looking either grey, or almost monochromatic
getting the elemental light probably gave them their super colorful looks, which they then lost

[keen shore]

well I also found this which is certainly one of the images ever

[quick jasper]

if you're bored they're bored. put the elders in a hamster wheel

[rigid mural]

sky servers

[untold notch]

or did they have more earth tones like skykids before the colored light? and then they became grey after losing it?

[hushed steeple]

make body builder and as wellness

or vise versa?

[keen shore]

Here they are I just got distracted by hamster wheel Sunset

[untold notch]

coincidentally I am also thinking about them

[keen shore]

I REALLY LOVE THIS IDEA — made it so they naturally project the colors of their lights better? Or the extra light just gave them a boost projecting any color?
Imagining whatever the elders projected would kinda resemble the colored lights; Dusks cape twisting and glowing like a flame…

[rigid mural]

maybe it's like lamps where putting colored light instead of white light changes the color ?

[untold notch]

👁️ lighting gels (which achieve a similar effect)

[sharp lichen]

Isle is life, prairie is nature, Forest is shielded or career, Valley are both popularity, Wasteland is shielded, Vault is creativity and knowledge

[keen shore]

If each elder was a specific color, do you think you could represent the unity between them with a rainbow
Like it’s the civilizations symbol or something

[rigid mural]

GAY RIGHTS

[untold notch]

I would've thought forest would be creativity what with the blacksmithery and all that

[sharp lichen]

So red Isle, green Prairie, blue Forest, cyan Valley, orange Wasteland, and Purple Vault elders?

[rigid mural]

Yeah ! plus dawns are red so

[keen shore]

worlds gayest civilization

[sharp lichen]

It could be interpreted both ways for sure,

[tepid veldt]

monochromatic elders make me feel sad :( theyd be so bland

[rigid mural]

isle elder with these colors :]

[sharp lichen]

This has to be related to the speed measuring thing right

[keen shore]

I think a couple ts hints mention they see rainbows as lucky too — I wonder if that’s a legitimate thing in universe or not

[rigid mural]

this too, isle elder with that red

[keen shore]

i forgot to specify, but the specific colors would be of their inner light, not them overall! Like they’d be able to project other colors, their inner light just has that tint

[sharp lichen]

Although the Elders seemingly didn’t always have the Elemental Lights- perhaps they started off looking like the Ancestors, then received the lights, then became grayed out.

It’s an interesting theory, although it could be debunked/proven by the Switch Trailer.

[keen shore]

Note the two people/bodies with cyan light here

[hushed steeple]

thank you!!!

[rigid mural]

this is a thing i sent to alasdair but he had an idea elders fell without some of their attributes at first (like bald skykids) and I wanted to illustrate that ! Very very high contrast with white parts that glow; as time passed, they'd gain patterns and be gifted masks

and i also illustrated a headcanon that they have that diamond forehead tattoo thats so common on masks, then showed how I think they bestow the shield blessing (by poking a skykid's forehead) :]

[tepid veldt]

dude yall have some amazing headcanons totally not stealing them

[untold notch]

I think the knowledge that they poke the kids in the forehead has enriched my life significantly

[tepid veldt]

just thinking about elders being highlighters now

[rigid mural]

prairie elder being really gentle but the skykid is still pushed a bit too hard and falls on their bum

[tepid veldt]

do you think prairie elder would take skids for piggyback rides

[rigid mural]

I think they would let skykids climb on them

[untold notch]

THEY ARE SO WONDAFOL

[keen shore]

I bet Day feels like sunlight when you’re near them

[untold notch]

this means they are naturally warm which is so great

[tepid veldt]

they give the bestest hugs

[rigid mural]

salem and astral seeing prairie elder:

[keen shore]

YOU ARE SO RIGHT slink vibes also

[keen shore]

unless they squeeze too hard :[

[tepid veldt]

:[ i know that so well the hugs are too strong

[untold notch]

feeling attacked

[untold notch]

if they crush my bones that's ok it would probably improve their condition

[quick jasper]

being crushed by an elder giving me a hug would fix me i think

[eternal totem]

Oh I was just think of clothing trends & patterns for each realm, if it's reflected from each colored light that would be so cool to see

[keen shore]

Sunset would have so many bird masks

[eternal totem]

Valley would have the most elaborate clothing obviously, it's not a sign of status, it's to present the peak of civilization; of art

[keen shore]

I have literally no evidence for this but I like to imagine that when the elders first fell & got physical forms, they started off as kids and were partially ‘raised’ [idk if that’s the right word but I hope you follow!] by the people of their realm, and kinda adopted their culture and beliefs etc

[south oracle]

Some skid walks in on them doing the crab walk with matching bird masks

[rigid mural]

had to put flight guide instead because a skykid would dissapear in their arms but

bear hug

[untold notch]

the skykid says nothing and joins in the dancing

[tepid veldt]

oh my god theyre so cute 🤍

[keen shore]

yeah! i feel like they’d alternate between really elaborate clothing (for normal things) and simpler clothing (for athletic things) and I forgot what I was gonna add to this cause Vela distracted me and I’m losing it now

[quick jasper]

oh to be bear hugged by Day

[untold notch]

using ayin as a conduit for the "someone please give tsadi a hug" braincell that will not stop talking

[keen shore]

OH YEAH I was gonna say both of those visuals make us only seeing the black & white, faded versions so much sadder, Man

[untold notch]

I still think it might be interesting if they had earth tones like we do when they first fell which would even further emphasize how little light they have now

[keen shore]

@white junco you behavior

[austere bridge]

thinking back to the skykids being poked in the forehead thing, rain would absolutely slap you

as in the elder

[tepid veldt]

does rain poke with his hammer

[austere bridge]

perhaps

[untold notch]

rain would flick, I think

[keen shore]

i think they would knock you over but not on purpose they just don’t really get how kids work

[austere bridge]

skykid just gets sent flying into space

[untold notch]

it would be a gentle flick because I think they do care about the kids they are just emo brocken teenager whatever

[keen shore]

Oh no… Ebony Dark’stone Manta Way

[austere bridge]

makes me rember the thought that rain’s hair kinda looks like dreads

[rigid mural]

@keen shore

[keen shore]

I love this so much I am grabbing and holding you. Also losing it at the implication that Rain is like, fursona approval elder

[rigid mural]

they're the furry elder, this is forest after all

[eternal totem]

This is such a good post. Retweet

[keen shore]

hidden furrest…

[tepid veldt]

level 3 botanist emote noooo…its too good

[rigid mural]

i think about her every day

[keen shore]

Genuine question: is Forest the desginated furry realm because it’s just like that or did I influence it with warrior cats and it happened

[rigid mural]

animal jam forest

[keen shore]

thinking about the ‘flight guide was days apprentice’ and ‘flight guide is the leader of their season group’ fun facts, wonder how many other season guides were elder apprentices

[quick jasper]

big guy needs a hug

[eternal totem]

Omg

[keen shore]

YOU
thanj you :3

[frigid tinsel]

Oh this is precious

[steep flax]

Hi everyone, what would you suggest for someone who is interested in starting to know more about Sky lore? I started getting curious a while ago, but I have no idea where to start 🙈 Is there an official guide, or video that assembles some of the main theories and the like…?

[rigid mural]

You could check in the pins ! Unfortunately, everything we know is scattered across TGC's social medias, so you learn stuff just by hanging out here too

[rigid mural]

hey guys i'm going to show you how to summon dark
enchant guide (being a former apprentice of the vault elder)

[keen shore]

AIDHWIWODPAPPAOSDKDJAOSODIF THIS WOULD HAVE WORKED TO SUMMON ME AS WELL AND IM REALLY INTO THIS IDEA
ESPECIALLY CAUSE YOU SEE A LOT OF LIGHT MAGIC IN VAULT GENERALLY

putting down a piece of artwork to function as an enchantment vet summoning beam

[rigid mural]

dark isnt online, smh my head

[steep flax]

Oh ok thank you ☺️

[keen shore]

they are usually in invisible status in order to jumpscare as many people as possible

[rigid mural]

ash behavior

[untold notch]

like ash by directly pinging them oh

tangent idk if birdlem is here but they will likely be pleased to know that I've been slowly getting in game pics of cure.s through #outfit-requests however I don't remember what outfit I gave the singing bassist

[eternal totem]

THE

[keen shore]

No but this works really well because on one of the ark murals you see them and their crew wearing scholar headdresses as well,

I was always really confused as to why they’re depicted with them but this would explain that & their connection with light magic as a whole

[rigid mural]

i'm going to burst out of the wall like the kool-aid man, i completely forgot that detail

[keen shore]

this is what I mean

[untold notch]

how do the enchantment crew lights play into the colored light distribution that was talked about earlier actually

[fickle wing]

excuse ME its called SAREPIA FOREST smh………………………/lh

[eternal totem]

Mail

[rigid mural]

sorry for not being a literal dinosaur

[white junco]

you're a bird which is pretty close

[keen shore]

D
Dyou think, the enchantment crew is from the desert surrounding vault maybe,
I keep imagining them as from isle but like

[tepid veldt]

i got jumpscared by this

[rigid mural]

i love cassowaries i think that's the ideal body type

[rigid mural]

OMG STARLIGHT DESERT REAL
vol is going to have a field day

[untold notch]

do you just??? open the envelope and the colored light comes out???

I'm so confused what does this mean

[pine bane]

i- what did i come into

why birb in here i thought this canol for serios lore convos!!!

[untold notch]

you thought wrong :>

THIS IS LIKE /LH BTW SOMETIMES WE HAVE SERIOUS CONVERSATIONS. AND SOMETIMES IS BIRD

[rigid mural]

if you cant handle me at my front facing cassowary, you dont deserve me at my enchantment disciple of the vault elder

[pine bane]

WDYM CAN"T HANDLE IS LAUGHING AT YOUR FRONT FACING CASSOWARY MEANING CAN"T HANDLE IT???

[untold notch]

can you ask the front facing cassowary to move away from my face please it is very close

[untold notch]

thinking more about cure.s as a season and how they would fit into the world... ill have to voice some of my thoughts when im not tired (things like. a fake season name, story, possibly renaming the band, giving the members Names, etc.)

because like the band is a group of kids/teenagers with big dreams and thats like their thing but i cant call it season of dreams because that Already Exists so basically id need a synonym

[flint bolt]

I want megabird but as smol bebi

This isn't a theory or somethingI just want it

[untold notch]

minibird

[frigid tinsel]

the first guy was just a bird

[snow cosmos]

HI I JUST SAW THIS I AM SO PSYCHED

[livid nexus]

Anyone know why theres a bird just layed out outside of the citadel?

[broken notch]

I think it's an old beta quest that got removed after global release

[livid nexus]

I knew that was what the golden vase in vault was for but not the bird. Thank you !!!

[strange lion]

In a game that’s so very light on actual instructions I do wish they would either give those old quest items some function (even just sparkles when you interact idk) or hide them for now- they make the attentive player take note, which is great until they’re just left in place but their purpose is removed lmao

[sacred python]

It is pretty disturbing to see a dead(?) bird on the way, I always feel weird when passing it xc
Also desapointed because I thought I'd have lore >:(

[livid nexus]

Yea i have to agree

[crude flame]

Yeah, between old/unused doors and rooms, the constellations drawn on the flat stone surfaces in Prairie, that bird, the vase, the ‘statue’ or suit of armor by the catapult, the Ark mushrooms, etc. I do wish they’d repurpose more old things that have seemingly been forgotten
Sometimes the little details can add so much flavor!

[warm aspen]

Hello, you mentioned bird. Is this the one you all call "megabird"? I think it's called a "supercluster" irl.

Particularly Laniakea Supercluster looks like the one in the end on Sky.

[boreal nebula]

About this kind of vortex.. is *isn't it cool that even the fragments collected during shards landing form a vortex recalling megabird?

[celest palm]

Any idea about the Sky Alphabet symbols here?
Like I wanted the whole alphabets for it
The one on the top left says People of Sky

[quick jasper]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[frigid tinsel]

Check this out

[celest palm]

so j q and x are unseen

[solemn glacier]

Wow where did u get that

[eternal totem]

I assume he made it himself lol

[zinc crypt]

Imagine if its actually conlang and TGC deceive us into thinking its english

[flint bolt]

birb?

[celest palm]

i decode that whole thing I sended

[eternal totem]

Yeah, I meant you compiled the decode chart yourself

[warm aspen]

Hello again. Is there already a canon story of the meaning of each colors from Forgotten ark? Also if it correlates to the Cave of prophecies?

[keen shore]

yeah! Each of the colored lights has a special power. [Red and purple are more vague and venture into theoru territory but the others are pretty simplistic] would you like me to list their powers & names?

[warm aspen]

I think the four at the right are the ones from prophecy. The Red and purple are the stars (starlight dessert) and red is the storm (eden)

[sharp lichen]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

Here’s a good theory you should read!

[untold notch]

do the colors of the Aurora spirits capes correlate to their colored lights

wow that's really annoying actually

[warm aspen]

I also thought of this. I even took a screenshot coz they have the same energy 😆

[untold notch]

there's a blue cape a cyan cape a green cape and an orange cape and they didn't even give them to the spirits with those colored lights I hate it here

[warm aspen]

I like this theory. It would explain why the colors don't match the murals. But can i ask why red is concealment?

[warm aspen]

RIGHT?! It bugs me earlier and even thought I was onto something. Then, turns out they don't match 😩

[keen shore]

Red - Void - controls darkness and its ability to ‘consume/release’ things. Imagine darkness like a Venus flytrap; red light can influence its opening and closing, releasing things it already consumed. This is how it brought back the Ark’s murals; darkness had consumed and destroyed them, and Nodding Muralist used it to bring them back. Related to the trait of Tradition
Orange - Fire - controls and brings flame, especially in relation to the flames/inner light of creatures; hence why it summoned light creatures for the ark. Related to the trait of Courage
[Yellow is the color of general, non elemental light.]
Green - Earth - controls rocks, plants, & is also related to light creatures, similar to Fire. I still have to work out how this final relationship works, so keep that in mind. Related to the trait of Tenacity;
Cyan - Air - basically what it says on the passage. Controls air & air currents, makes things float, and presumably can create things like vacuums as well, but we don’t know for sure. Related to the trait of Balance
Blue - Water - controls & purifies water, can bring rain. Related to the trait of Patience
Purple - Mind - can manifest tangible constructs out of light, like how it created the tents in the ark; may also be related to telekinesis [still playing around with this idea] Related to the trait of Creativity

I’m also playing around with the idea that each colored light can have ‘specialties’. As in, a colored light user can choose to specialize in which way they use the colored light; for example either using green light to control rocks or plants

[sharp lichen]

It is used to reveal murals in Enchantment, so it’s thought that the red light used to originally to hide the murals

@untold notch Actually, I was wrong. The lights and capes do seem to correlate

[austere bridge]

note: cyan also means patience, as shown in prophecy

[keen shore]

Nope! Water/blue light is patience, I think I mistyped that in the original, sorry. It’s been fixed
Balance is Cyan & Patience is Blue

[sharp lichen]

Water is Patience, Green is Resilience/Tenacity, Cyan is Balance, Orange is Courage

[keen shore]

yes! Tradition for red & Creativity for purple aren’t directly in the game, i theorized them, but I can explain why if necessary!

[austere bridge]

darn it the undertale lore brain is breaking in again

[warm aspen]

Their spirits' story i think is related.

Blue(wayfarer): water: boat in Isle/prairie.
Green(miner): earth: hidden forest(?)
Cyan:(warrior):air:?
Orange(seed):fire :?

But maybe we should think that these powers are passed down in different timelines that's why they don't match.

[keen shore]

Hidden forest is the realm of water/blue light more so than earth/green light, hence why it rains constantly!

[warm aspen]

I think cave of prophecy shows what the Elders in the temples do with those four lights.
Day made flora
Rain made well, rain and rivers
Sunset made the waters pure
Dusk used his to protect/lit lanterns

And now we are seeing another generation of wielders and how/why they're chosen.
Edit: i confused Cyan and Blue on Sunset. Yep, they made the floaty thingies like the mural shows

[keen shore]

Sunset’s seems more to make the objects in theirs (I believe these are the floating doorways you see in the flying race) float!

[untold notch]

explodes but also that's great

[untold notch]

+old coliseum had the platform floating over clouds iirc

[keen shore]

Yes it did! Also the citadel floats over clouds, I like to imagine there’s a ton of floating structures going on in Valley :3 partially with the help of cyan light but also aided with darkstone!

[untold notch]

who made orrery such a difficult word and for what reason

[keen shore]

THOSE ARE WHAT THEYRE CALLED I keep wanting to call them ossuaries but that’s not right!

[untold notch]

although the concept of ossuaries could be interesting in sky

"... and this room here is where I store all my bones"
"what."

[keen shore]

i know creatures have bones but it’s up in the air whether ancestors and elders do or not

[frigid tinsel]

Vault floors 4 & 5

[untold notch]

"why do you have a room dedicated to bones"
"they kinda just keep popping up everywhere so I figured I'd store them all in the same place"

[keen shore]

boneyard & graveyard are also filled with bones, I bet night is jealous cause their ossuary is boring in comparison

[untold notch]

I am envisioning this as night giving someone a tour of the vault btw

[keen shore]

The someone is Dawn

[hushed steeple]

Has the art book release date been announced yet

[slate saffron]

HEY I GOT A QUESTION:

How did pre-king organized religion worked/what's some head cannons you have on how it might have worked

[boreal nebula]

This is an interesting pattern created on the table with vibrations. I wonder if Devs will ever show us symbols inspired from these things https://www.facebook.com/100008964690600/videos/475845914607197/

[warm aspen]

They're called Chladni figures. There's a video on YouTube from Steve Mould that explains it if you want more about it. 😉

https://youtu.be/CR_XL192wXw here it is

[warm aspen]

Not a religion but I see them as nomads that highly admired light creatures. I mean, it's even hard to think that primitive beings would be "organized" 😆. I imagine them like moffs just mimicking the beings.

[sharp lichen]

Not organized, I don’t think so

[keen shore]

Calling the ancestors primitive before the arrival of the chosen one seems really unfair and incorrect, given how much of the civilization we can see & how well organized we can tell it was. Especially given that the kingdom doesn’t seem like it lasted for very long; ie. The civilization was around a long time before it became one.

I mean, look at Valley. Look at Prairie. Isle, even — why would you call the creators of all that architecture and art primitive?

Even without all that, Civilizations & the people in them can be intelligent and developed without the use of much advanced technology. Isle almost entirely shuns darkstone, but has beautiful murals, and as we see in Prophecy and possibly Enchantment, a complex culture with heavy focuses on light magic and appreciation of natural forces. Calling people primitive and childlike because they don’t fit your typical idea of what a civilization is is :| & unfortunately, has had many repercussions throughout history

[snow cosmos]

i'm not sure why you're calling the pre-king ancestors primitive tbh? i could totally see them being semi-nomadic people with a respect for the natural world and its creatures, but that isn't counter to having a complex, organized civilization and understanding of their place in the world /nm

[rigid mural]

I think it represented the megabird and light creatures much more, you can still see some remnants on the Isle murals and in the Wind Paths. The prairie is also geared towards taking care of light creatures too, see the manta murals in bird nest !

The king being similar to elders or ancestors could have redirected that worship from light creatures to things shaped like ancestors because they are closer.
Kinda how we went from worshipping mountains and storms, to worshipping a lord of the mountain and storms, to worshipping a lord (origin story of the monotheistic god).

[keen shore]

I personally think the chosen one fell too late to really influence religion, althouh I’m up to interpretation on that topic. I think there would be a semi organized Megabird religion but not in the way we think of it; everyone just kinda knew they existed and accepted their existence. Given the way I think they work I don’t think prayers to Megabird would’ve done much

[rigid mural]

Light offerings tho... I have a headcanon it's how they found out light's properties

Unrelated but thanks to skytober I can now relate to forest elder with hand cramps.

[keen shore]

Oh? 👀
It’s hard for me to see offerings, sacrifices, or what have you to Megabird as a thing that happened, personally. The line between Them & the fundamental force of light is hard to draw; in my head, it would be like making sacrifices to the force of life itself

[keen shore]

[cold, tired and achey because of a flareup] this is just like Dusk

[snow cosmos]

i sort of have the idea that Megabird was held up as the sort of ultimate deity, with the Elders potentially serving as go-betweens to kinda deliver the people's worship/prayers/offerings to Megabird

[rigid mural]

Consider this: light gifting is something we constantly do, with spirits, other skykids and even elders if you count lighting their altar.

And...

Isn't lighting darkstone kinda like gifting light to the mechanism so it can power up and work ?

Not to mention how spirits gift us light in the shape of cosmetics or winged light in orbit...

[snow cosmos]

am still figuring out how to make this fit with the idea from yesterday that the Elders only arrived after the first Eden beam had gone out

[rigid mural]

Odin sacrificed himself to himself, so it's not unheard of !

[snow cosmos]

sacrifices/offerings could also be seen as returning light to its source

[rigid mural]

YEAH YOU GET ME

[keen shore]

or spreading light into the darkness? is us saving spirits & clearing darkness like an act of worship?

[snow cosmos]

OOOH YEAH I LIKE THAT

[rigid mural]

Well, in a world where darkness is harmful to worshippers, it would make sense !

[slate saffron]

If I remember correctly from the Tom Zhao Concept art, I'm pretty sure it was mentioned that overtime the King supplanted worship of the Megabird with himself (as was supposed to be evident by the statues in wasteland & the recurring diamond motif in the architecture). However, given that it was concept art rather than direct confirmation from TGC it's possible that this might not be the case in-game.

[snow cosmos]

i could also see the king serving as like a messianic figure rather than a full-on deity

[slate saffron]

If that's the case, I wonder if the pilgrimage to eden would have been considered as the ultimate sacrifice/offering 👀

[shrewd mango]

Imagine if resh is actually Sky's version of Jesus

[snow cosmos]

i would steer away from drawing direct parallels to irl religions personally
a messiah is a promised or foreseen savior or deliverer, which works if we go with the idea that One was foretold to arrive and restore the Eden beacon per yesterday's discussion

[shrewd mango]

Oh okay! Sorry

[snow cosmos]

no worries! you didn't do anything harmful, i just think it's best to keep irl religion out of the conversation to avoid stepping on toes or simplifying the story of Sky into a religious allegory

[lusty merlin]

Oo this is intersting

Also Just curious but have any of you tried piecing the office lore for fun or is it to vague to connect any events together

[sharp lichen]

If you watched the Switch Trailer to the end, you would see that “primitive” really isn’t a good way to describe the Sky kingdom.

[austere bridge]

holy honk there’s manta murals in prairie
someone needs to show me

[rigid mural]

Bird nest, tower where you relive Double-Five Lightcatcher's memory !

[uncut pond]

Personally I don't fully agree with the notion that The One is a figure that appeared that late in civilization
I believe that if we take into consideration the theory of two cataclysms, first the stars falling and second the Eden explosion, I think One would've appeared right during the first, and after them the rest of the elders, and civilization lasted for a good while afterwards before the giant diamond happened

That said, civilization would've had a lot of time to develop before their arrival, and thus wouldn't have been "primitive" by any means

[frigid tinsel]

Frankly describing any civilization as “primitive,” especially one which takes inspiration from irl cultures, concedes to racist stereotypes

[uncut pond]

I don't think there's any known culture including ones from the past I would call primitive, even cavemen had art and most likely had their own belief systems even if arguably not as developed as the ones that came after (even if by certain definitions of the word they are primitive, not that I agree with those definitions)

[keen shore]

I get this interpretation! Mine so far (although we have been talking abt timelines a lot recently so this may change) that the Eden beam sputters out, a while passes, one falls, disaster happens soon after AND I HAVE A THEORY ABOUT HOW THE DISASTER HAPPENED SO THIS IS A GREAT SEGWAY

keep in mind as I copy & paste this that this conversation already happened on another server, meaning some of these are quotes & ideas from other people which I will credit

[sharp lichen]

I suppose the Animation Project would clarify and help us in the timeline, so I’m waiting to make a theory on that

[lyric isle]

i’m so excited for the animation but i’m also so anxious about any major headcanons of mine possibly being demolished

but that’s worst-worst case

[keen shore]

It began using this poem from the shattering teaser [https://www.thatskygame.com/news/shards-of-the-past-arrive-in-season-of-shattering] as an source.

The wounds of the past are never far from sight. The light around us is in constant motion. Who could not see it? Who could not feel the joy of its movement? Once, we guided the migrating flocks. Once, behemoths flew alongside us in peace. And then we took the light from the wind. The behemoths that remained were only the monuments to ourselves. Our cities shone with a captive glow. We were enraptured as we taught our machines to bind and hoard. The world of the present can be healed, but our past cannot be undone. Jagged remnants lie in our wake, and even for the mountain it is too much to hold.

& my interpretation:
Okay so this poem kinda implies the idea that the diamond is exploding again because it’s full of [traumatic] light memories, and since light wants to merge with itself, it forces itself outwards, overloading the diamond & forcing it to shatter further;
Presumably this is either because it’s on top of the Eden beam or because of all the light it’s sucked in after its first explosion. Probably more so the second, although the first can be true to some extent as well, it would just be a lot more general/uncoded light ie — not the kind of light that would form memories
[originally this discussion started on shattering shards but then got linked back to the disaster]

& my fully thought out explaantion on how that’d work

Basically

• all creatures, incl ancestors, elders, skykids, are made of light to some degree
• diamond constantly sucks in that light
• light that still remembers what it belonged to originally petrifies in the shape of its original owner, like an imprint, before tearing apart; hence the memories
• however, it is still a lot of light, some of which still has disjointed and numerous memories & personalities attached to it, and light always wants to merge with itself. So it begins to push at the edges of the diamond, trying to merge with the beam outside, until it succeeds and tears it apart from the inside out, hence shards
• however, due to the diamonds nature, this light torn away creates a vacuum; & so it has to suck in more, which then forces its way out as well. creating a constant cycle of shards & then the vacuum they leave behind

at this point I can pause and explain if anyone finds it necessary for me to;

[sharp lichen]

If you feel bad, imagine all the time stasis headcanons that slowly got less and less proven over the years

[lyric isle]

was that your headcanon?

[keen shore]

you’re right, time travel and stasis being disproved does cheer me up thank you [im #1 time travel hater]

[lyric isle]

ok, I adore the detail that went into this tbh - not sure what to point out!

[keen shore]

I noted also that the ideas above would be a really good explanation for why the diamond took so long after skykids falling to explode and create shards, because that’s how long it took to ‘fill up’
& then the star metaphors started and it gets a lot more interesting from here

[sharp lichen]

No, it was developed by many people.

Time travel and time stasis were developed far before you or Salem, but now it’s essentially unseen

[lyric isle]

idk how I see the areas in terms of time. they all kinda coexist as they are in my mind

they’ve been left as they are as Eden erupted. Prairie’s lush grasslands survived; Wasteland remained in its destruction etc

[lusty merlin]

This is so good

also what is the time stasis theory exactly? That time is somewhat frozen in the kingdom?

[lyric isle]

sanctuary is interesting to me in particular; a designated conservation site left untouched and peaceful even while war wreaked havoc in the other lands of the kingdom

idk how i think it works yet

[sharp lichen]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

the oldest mention of it. Basically says that different realms are in different points in time and are stuck in that point of time. Prophecy, Flight, and Shattering de confirmed it

[keen shore]

It was at this point that @frigid tinsel compared the Eden beam to a quasar and. the resemblance is uncanny. I’m gonna step away for a bit to find a good definition/explanation for quasars cause I’m still trying to wrap my head around them but before I go;

Slink also compared the Storm to an accretion disk which is the cloud/circle of smoke you see around the image below —

accretion disks are a disklike flow of gas, plasma, dust, or particles around any astronomical object in which the material orbiting in the gravitational field of the object loses energy and angular momentum as it slowly spirals inward.

[sharp lichen]

Searching time stasis or time travel in:lore-discussion-spoilers can yield many other results.

It was built up a long time and mentioned by many people separately, but died out as new seasons came.

I think the theory first started because of the lack of interaction between the realms of Sky, but that lack of interaction was more a gameplay mechanic than a lore feature.

SKY ASTRONOMY LETS GOOOO

Many have compared Eden to a black hole (which also have accretion discs!)

[frigid tinsel]

Which Salem just mentioned

[lusty merlin]

oh wow

[keen shore]

Eden diamond as a black hole metaphors my beloved

[sharp lichen]

Also the Eden diamond looks different in different places- possibly warping light around it!

[lyric isle]

i’ve only recently gotten interested by theories about the ‘big stuff’ (elders and the war and eden etc) because this channel is now actually open to other stuff too and deeper interpretations,, so glad, love lore chat

previously i’d groan at eden but this is so cool

[keen shore]

The similarities don’t stop there, as in the middle of the discussion Raider brought up some concept art that seems to be exploring the idea of black holes in this world in general. The last, especially, seem like this black hole would later become the Eden Diamond we know (but don’t love) in its current iteration

[keen shore]

NOOO THE YOU WOULDNT DOWNLOAD AN ELDER IMAGE

[lusty merlin]

Gosh those concept arts are my apsaloute favrouite

Alasdair help-

[lyric isle]

also this kinda works for the stages of life allegory too? memento mori kinda thing; inescapability like how black holes suck in everything

[nimble ingot]

For what it is worth mentioning. We know that some areas seen from a distance beyond the current area in the game (called imposters if I recall correctly) may differ from the actual location.

We can see this in Day Village looking at the Butterfly Field, or more notably, the Dream Village (or lack thereof) seen from the race leading into the coliseum.

While it is a stretch, if not an unreliable theory, the eden seen from various realms may possibly be imposters that do not match each other while devs worked on the realms.

[keen shore]

So if the Eden Diamond is a black hole & the beam is a quasar, & the Storm is an accretion disk, what does this mean beyond visual inspirations?

Well, first and most importantly, it means the Eden Diamond is almost definitely powering the beam by sucking in all the light around it and spitting it out into the beam, as opposed to it being placed on top to absorb it.
The beam is coming from the Diamond and is the direct result of it sucking everything in.

[raw crypt]

I’ve always likened the eden calamity to a supernova, so smth smth blackhole is the next step so tyis is all rlly interesting to me

[sharp lichen]

And of course, the point of no return being extremely similar to a black hole’s event horizon.

And the only way to escape it is Hawking Radiation- where two particles split and one escapes! Sounds a bit like Sky, don’t you think?

[lyric isle]

YOOOOOOOOOO

[frigid tinsel]

crossing into a black hole's event horizon is literally a point of no return

[lusty merlin]

Yeah I thought that too!

[keen shore]

Darkstone is called artificial stars, after all :3

[lyric isle]

pointing at this again with what Al said

[lusty merlin]

Sorry I couldn’t help myself, black hole eden metaphor for the win

[nimble ingot]

Fun fact. While black holes have been proven in Science, there is a theoretical concept of a white hole that would not let anything enter, yet let light escape. Making it the polar opposite of a black hole, where nothing can escape it, not even light once it crosses the event horizon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_hole#:~:text=In general relativity%2C a white,information can escape from it.

[lyric isle]

what would that be in a Sky context?

[lusty merlin]

I never knew white holes existed😭 you learn something new everyday

[nimble ingot]

I would say the Megabird giving light being like a white hole. And the Eye of Eden being like a Black hole.

[frigid tinsel]

well white holes are purely theoretical – they likely don't exist because matter cannot be generated from nothing

[nimble ingot]

Yes, a theoretical concept.

Not proven to actually exist, or not.

[sharp lichen]

So with all this evidence for Eden being a black hole: where does the Void of Shattering fit into all this?

[lusty merlin]

True, true

If they did exist maybe it would be that ball of light we see when the credits play?

[frigid tinsel]

pretty sure that's the Light we ascend to anddescend from

[nimble ingot]

Possibly a fragmented memory of the event from the souls inside the shards?

[sharp lichen]

(In my personal opinion, white holes are so vague and unproven that we shouldn’t compare the Light to it”

[lusty merlin]

Black hole. Jr /j

[keen shore]

AND IT CONTINUES! If the beam is coming from the diamond, but the diamond wasn’t always there or like that, then how did the beam first exist?

This ventures into kinda headcanon territory, but it can be reasonably backed up with prophecy murals, so here’s the current explanation I (and i think Vela as well) am running with;
Before everything started going haywire, light flowed through the world like rivers. In the form of creatures, streams of light in the sky and under the earth, and just as a natural cycle, but with the same result; its goal was always to head towards Eden, where it would get sent back up to Megabird as part of a massive, universe wide, equivalent of a circulatory system.

However, when ancestors started using light to power things like darkstone, those rivers started running dry. The Eden beam weakened, & then sputtered out, but without it, no creatures could ascend, and ancestors relied on elders to ascend them. So the lack of beam was a problem that needed to be fixed

And, much later, that fix would be the Diamond

[sharp lichen]

An interesting fact: Gamma Ray Bursts are gigantic energy blasts that occur when large stars collapse into black holes.

Possible related is shard eruptions?

[lusty merlin]

This makes so much sence oo main power source runs out so they try to artificially creaste something that nature mastered before to replace it (which never works out💀)

[keen shore]

Of course, this leads to the implication that the diamond was corrupted on purpose (likely using red light* in order to suck in light & spew it out into the Beam. You could also think of it like a lens if you wanted, but due to its size, the mechanics of light, its location, and the fact that every living being relies on light to stay alive that didn’t work as well as everyone had hoped, especially when it started running out of its original andplanned power source much sooner than everuone was expecting…

[nimble ingot]

Pondering a naive question.
If a black hole is so dense, the gravity it generates is so strong, not even light would be able to escape. In every black hole, it has a singularity.
A singularity would therefore be the supposed core of a black hole, a point where all the mass goes.

The question is, where would all of that mass go?
It has to go somewhere, even if it is condensed into infinity.

This might be what gave folks like Einstein and Hawking the though of what if the mass ends up in a different place.
In simple terms, a black hole is a hole in the ground that digs deeper and deeper, until it becomes a tunnel. A wormhole. Or a white hole that spits out what the linked black hole swallowed.

[lyric isle]

genuinely hand flailing at this. that’s how you Know a theory has me excited

[keen shore]

oh my god, I just realized, this explains why - using the trials as metaphors for different stages of the civilization idea - you walk into a black hole at the beginning of trial of fire

[lusty merlin]

it’s all coming together

[nimble ingot]

Looking similar to this?

[lyric isle]

OH THAT’S so T rUE???????? I need to replay the trials that thing ypu piinted out about them is so cooool

[lusty merlin]

Well we do ascend, so maybe we did end up in a different place, orbit is off to the side of eden in the map shrines so it could be possible

If would make sence if orbit was right above eden on the map but it isn’t

[nimble ingot]

Fire trial is also the only trial with hostile creatures, or any creatures for that matter.
They are unique in the game, which may hint towards what may have happened in the past.

[keen shore]

I started the original conversation thinking it was gonna be just a headcanon, but the more you think about it, the more it seems like it might actually be canon it’s ridiculous how many things it explains

[lyric isle]

you may be onto something huge here

[lusty merlin]

Oh our spark (that blue light when we complete eden) does go into the ground, not into the air so it might of auctally went somewhere else when the diamond pulls us in (I think it’s a spark that’s the best name I can think of it)

[snow cosmos]

just got out of therapy but i was there for the original conversation and i'm still loving this so much

[keen shore]

Currently, with this line of thought, we have two series of events for how the disaster might’ve played out, pick your favorite

1] shattering q6 is when the diamond was initially corrupted on purpose using red light. It went bad instantly
2] shattering q6 happened a while after the diamond was purposefully corrupted & was the elders trying to transfer some of their light in to “feed” it. They weren’t expecting the initial power source they put in it to run out this early, and so were caught off guard when the diamond started sucking things in when it wasn’t supposed to; unfortunately, this meant they were already too late & as soon as they got there and tried to fix it…

[keen shore]

I’m about to go to therapy wjeowowoeoqlwkd

[snow cosmos]

tagging you in for the therapy match

[lusty merlin]

The diamond downloaded the elders😰 /j

But this is seriously a great theory 👀👍

[keen shore]

ranked competitive therapy (dusk please sign up to join)

[snow cosmos]

i remember there was a thing i mentioned that you were gonna yoink for the theory but i don't remember what it was

[nimble ingot]

Bot! I am going to decrease your oxygen supply by 37 seconds for that uncalled for nuke on that message!

[Reminder to COPY your messages before posting them, folks. Don't want to lose your theories to sensitive algorithms]

[lusty merlin]

It was too powerful😞

[keen shore]

Yes! The elders using A scale model of the diamond to figure out if the corruption would work, but due to differences in size the model wasn’t large enough to implode, thereby fooling the elders into thinking it’d go well iirc

[snow cosmos]

oh yeah i did say that! not sure if that was what it was but i did say that lmao

[keen shore]

also have a relevant downloading image

[lyric isle]

the latter is more fun to me for its buildup; would love to take it on as a writing prompt! though I can’t write the Elders yet

I have several Sky fanfic ideas I need to act on noooooooooo

[keen shore]

RIGHT? I’m so excited to see if people use it for writing thigs, I’d be so excited to read it

[snow cosmos]

tying this back to shattering q6, the poem talked about "Unseen fractures crumble in the chasm". we were initially theorizing that there could have been hairline fractures in the diamond that were exacerbated over time but now i'm thinking there could have been structural flaws that contributed to the implosion and subsequent explosion that didn't show up on the scale model

[keen shore]

gtg cya all! Loving how this is going

[snow cosmos]

take care ily!!

[lyric isle]

seee you! I need to go too

[lusty merlin]

See you!

Ooo that would be incredibly cool!

Raider your message nooo😭

[nimble ingot]

[going to retype what I wanted to say, though apologies for lost thoughts] [bot your are a meanie]

Interestingly, when skykids are reborn, one may theorise that the skykids in mind and soul is the same, being they keep their memories and experience, but their bodies are not the same.
One may go as far to say it is similar to reincarnation, or possibly related to the Egg Theory.

What if all of the skykids in the realms are pieces of but 1 entity. Where each skykid living out their lives are in fact living out past lives, as well as lives some of these skykids have not yet experienced. Being each time a skykids is reborn, their journey to enlightenment has begun. They joined the cycle.

I would like to mention Vela as the one who suggested the theory originally, and who I would give credit to for having the idea.
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[bot, why?]
fine, clearly the server does not like philosophy or people taking about it.
And yet the channel is dedicated to people talking about the lore.

Kurzgesagt – In a Nutshell
If this is getting me muted, then there is no hope for the lore chat.

[snow cosmos]

Raider didn't you know eggs are illegal here /j

[nimble ingot]

lol, since when?

[snow cosmos]

now, apparently lmao

[nimble ingot]

What annoys me is what got these messages nuked, were the link to the video.

[frigid tinsel]

the link has a string of letters the bot censors

[nimble ingot]

And yet, the bot is but a string of random 1's and 0's and we are not criticising it.
I would get why censorship has its uses.
However, a warning would suffice.

[frigid tinsel]

"censorship" or "moderation"
I agree that Skybot is a poor excuse of a moderation tool the seldom-present mods overly rely on, but one must not confuse censorship with moderation – two rather distinct things, albeit similar.

[nimble ingot]

Fair point.
Moderation it is.

[lusty merlin]

Teth showing the prototype diamond to the other elders and how it’s possible that this plan can work to and keep the light going. (None of them have any idea that building this diamond will cause a wipeout of the entire kingdom)

(Salem I’m sorry this is all I thought of when you mentioned the possibility of a prototype 💀)

[raw crypt]

THE GEOMETRY DASH MUSIC SOBBING

[lusty merlin]

Not saying teth would be the sole idea for the diamond I can imagine all the elders coming up with the diamond idea (I just see teth as an engineer in my hc )

[frigid tinsel]

tac, you're on a roll

[lusty merlin]

Thank you, I really like making videos like this

[frigid tinsel]

was also referring to your illustrations the other night. I was genuinely having a terrible time but they warmed me up.

[lusty merlin]

Ahh Im glad they helped you it’s happy knowing that my art makes other people feel even a little better

[frigid tinsel]

I actually hold a similar prototype theory, however the prototype was tested on by Night Elder to figure out what was going wrong with the massive Eden diamond. long story short, that's why Night's mask is messed up.

[lusty merlin]

Oo yeah i remember that! I feel like that would be one of the more logical reasons for their scars, I hope we get some info on what happened in the future😭

[raw crypt]

mind me for a moment im being annoying again (compiling/archiving things)

Season of Flight Spirit Cards

Season of Abyss Spirit Cards

Season of Performance Spirit Cards

[lusty merlin]

Info cards!!! (I can’t get over how big performances eyebrows on their mask is😭

[lyric isle]

tempted to send the one I made for a spirit OC but I doubt it’s relevant

they’re not a real spirit but now I’m Tempted

[raw crypt]

Spirit Infographic Cards
Flight - #lore-discussion-spoilers message

Abyss - #lore-discussion-spoilers message

Performance - #lore-discussion-spoilers message

Aurora - #lore-discussion-spoilers message

Remembrance #lore-discussion-spoilers message

Passage 🌙 #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[pastel brook]

just reach out for The Light

[rigid mural]

warrior, warrior

[lyric isle]

@lusty merlin is it ok if I DM as to not derail things?

[raw crypt]

Sorry for the spam and if i interrupted, I jsut like to compile things and thought some info on the cards would be helpful ^^;

[lusty merlin]

Yeah sure I love seeing sky oc’s

[warm aspen]

I am referring to the being that are fallen stars. They lived but they didn't fall and saw temples built. It should be obvious that every civilization starts primitive. At least relative to their world, the word primitive could mean whatever level their technology initially is.
PRIMITIVE being "an early stage" I'm not tying it to real world. I'll also post my thoughts tho i only have few infos as of now

[fresh gull]

heyyy I've got a few questions

Is Megabird the only thing still keeping the world of Sky together? or is it the Elders? What roles does the Megabird have other than to maintain light, if any other?

[warm aspen]

They don't fit my idea of civilization because they have a different creation story. They are not humans.

[hushed steeple]

Does the world of sky look together? I would say light and dark are natural unstoppable forces. Mega could be source of light. But also might be a conglomeration of it.

[rocky granite]

I feel like that just implies aliens cant have civilizations which is a weird thought
Technically speaking im pretty sure the definition does include humans but its more about the social and cultural development and progression

[warm aspen]

Is that so? Then i am sorry if I may worded that poorly. In my mind I use the word primitive just to say they initially not have boats, or temples even. I see them as beings (just like skids) that first looked at how the creatures fly. So they tried to look for ways to fly as well. Definitely an advance start but not to a point where they have religion.
Edit:Also if I may add, i only have been playing Sky for 2months now. And i lack info and sources. What I say may be farfetched or entirely wrong because I'm talking from the only sources I currently have.

[sharp lichen]

One thing of note is that the earliest known technology level of Sky is this image:

It is not too different from the modern Isle of Dawn in terms of technology

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

And this can help you as well!

Keep in mind that these timeline/technology level discussions are purely speculative, and the animation project teased by TGC will probably contain more information on this

[warm aspen]

Omg. I just watched this and it's so beautiful. I mean i kinda get where you are coming from now. But what about before this time? What do they do? It's very interesting. It didn't even occur to me there was a rich culture in Isle. Tho the temple is actually there so it's making sense in me now. I thought it really started in Prairie.

[warm aspen]

YES! I'm in awe seeing these. This changed a lot tbh in my ideas.

[warm aspen]

I still want to post the idea i was typing when we talked about the Powers/meaning of lights. But after seeing the vid, there's evidently, big ideas i already am missing. But i hope it still okay to post them. I had tried to do it inspired from this replied comment

[sharp lichen]

Before this time, we don’t know. This is the earliest confirmed pic of the Sky world for now.

[warm aspen]

I'll take note of that thanks.


DISCLAIMER: These ideas/interpretations is from what I know so far. Some may be farfetched because I lack knowledge somewhere. May i know your thoughts on this?
*I really think the use of the colors of light are very crucial to the creation (and destruction) of the world of Sky. So far, I can include three timelines where the power of lights are used: Prophecies(creation & possible future), Enchantment(maybe after the war) and Aurora(before or during technology advances)
Blue(Water):
Elder Era: Life, Purity
Trials:Patience
Aurora: Liberation, Discovery (of Self & World)
Based on murals, it's used by Rain and once dwelled on an island(probably Isle of Dawn). It now dwells on valley maybe bc the water is preserved as ice on the mountains uncontaminated. The mural also hinted it could relate to creation of light creatures which mainly flourish on pure waters(exception on Forest temple)

Green(Earth):
Elder Era: Medium, Home
Trials: Vitality, Stamina
Aurora: Solidarity, Friendship
Used by Day to make flora. Murals kinda hinted that its also used to make the temples and probably all the structures.

Cyan(Air)
Elder Era: Flight, Freedom
Trials: Balance
Aurora: Love/Passion(?)
Used by the Twins to make the floating rings. It now chills in the clouds at Prairie. The power was basically the power of flight. Even the ark & boats' fins/flaps move by this power. It clears the paths so light will know where to go.

Orange(Fire):
Elder era: Warmth, Presence
Trials: Courage, Strength
Aurora: Hope(like duh)
There's a mural hint that it once burned a portion of Forest (before temple). And maybe Rain used the Blue light to heal it (or just coz she angsty lol). The light creatures in front of Forest temple may have survived because it cancels the polluted water.

Yellow (Light)
Pure, raw light. Can probably do everything. Potential. Innocence.

Purple(Star)
Starlight Valley: Night, Peace, Reality
Enchantment: Mind, Memories, Dreams
The symbol used is the diamond (stars). I haven't seen a mural but it could mean the red and purple light were discovered later after the prophecy has been done(or when the kingdom is established and the power of stars are studied). Idk, it's like the colder version of the light. Thoughts?

Red (Desire):
Elder Era pre-explosion: Truth, Power Elder Era post-explosion: Darkness or Desire of light.

The symbol used looks like the Storm(either Eden or GW)
I used DESIRE instead of ABSENCE because I think the redness of these "mediums" that carries light comes from too much light accumulated in it. Like a star wanting to eat the light(uncontrollably)
Maybe, the initial look of these mediums are the rocks that kills you in the storm at Eden. Eventually, they glow red with the amount of light they absorbed. Even the "darkstone" could be the same (look at the Eden shard)

Examples:
-The red shards that absorbs light when you get close to them;
-the red blooms and seeds (they could be made from wax cuz you "Melt" them) overflowing with power that they fly and grow around the red rocks only;
-the hostile crabs that attacks you maybe just wants to absorb your light. and when they gathered too much they grow red shards, too.
-The creatures from fire trial probably have the same connotation so they seek even your only light. Only when a more powerful version of light, Courage (orange light) is given to you, then you can fight. Even the Krills (which i think is their progeny) have bluish eyes and only when they see you- they glow red.
-This could explain why the Eden shard shattered. They couldn't contain all the light accumulated because the medium (King's) lost control of the lights it is sending to heaven. Idk if the war happened before or after the shattering. If it's before, then it could mean the elders were trying to fix the shard. If it's after maybe they're trying to use it against the dark creatures. Regardless, I think it's obvious that the Eden shard had too much (whatever way it is) that's why it exploded and flung the apex of the castle to space.

I know I still have a lot to learn but I hope you'll correct me again if I said something wrong

[sharp lichen]

“Who dis?” That’s the Vault Elder by the way. Although I have a different theory, I still like this!

[warm aspen]

Yeah I missed that. My bad haha i actually have many "who dis" edited screenshots but haven't uploaded them. Anyways I'm gonna sleep. Thank you. I look forward seeing your theory sometime.

[frigid tinsel]

Dunno who that individual in the mural is — more often than not suggested to be Chosen One

[slate saffron]

Who is the Chosen One? (if you don't mind me asking that is) I get the sense that it's a new name being used to refer to the Prince, but I'm not entirely sure.

[keen shore]

It is! I don’t like the names of king/prince so I started it and I think a couple people picked it up, which I really appreciate

[solar magnet]

Anyone have a theory about wha happened to wasteland why the last area called battlefield wha happened 🙃

[untold notch]

a battle, if I had to guess

[white junco]

a silly little war

[untold notch]

a little bit of tomfoolery

[frigid tinsel]

A row

[rigid mural]

divorce

[tough coral]

Hey question what are the Things in front of the valley temple after the second aurora quest. They... only rlly look like flat cutouts of trees to me???? which feels weird and random what Are they

[jaunty vale]

they are trees yeah. they’re decorations on the stage for the concert!

[keen shore]

Mindful Miner kinda skimped on their part of the group project

[tough coral]

honestly considering the crab maze i cant even be surprised that the twins get a fake cardboard cutout lookin forest out front. in character they would absolutely approve of this

[raw crypt]

im imagining someone elses addition will add onto theirs, they look a bit silly rn HJDHHDHD

[rigid mural]

It's a WIP, you don't understand

[dusk monolith]

I just started playing again and I felt so lost as if I had never played before

[hushed steeple]

Same 😭

[ebon wind]

I need answers about vault! Vault is, to me, the most confusing realm in sky. Here are some of my thoughts and questions on the vault, I'd like to here your opinions.

• what is actually stored in the vault, we see these diamond shaped objects but what do they actually do?
  -is the vault simulated? Starlight desert should not be able to exist and the whole archive area where the purple light usually is is also very artificial and weird
  -how is it night time indoors? We know it's not the sky thanks to the fate outline of the walls. Also it reminds me of the fake sky in Alterna Splatoon 3
• why are cosmic mantas only found in vault
  -what is the big Manta almagamation near the end of vault. It doesn't look like any Manta outside vault and my friend said that it may split to become the mantas who help the player up to the final section of vault.
  -why are there holographic lanterns and how to we light fire to them?
• I may be wrong but why is vault the only place where magic is seen to be used. Like levitating
  -why is there a giant table in vault?
• why is there sand everywhere in vault? It's seems like a safety hazard in my opinion. The first floor could be excused by being near the starlight desert but that doesn't excuse the levels above.
  -Why a desert? Who decided that it was a good idea to make a false desert and fill it with giant objects? Is the desert a glitch?
  -for a vault it doesn't seem very secure anyone with a candle can enter majority of the vault and a group of four isn't very hard to come by so pretty much anybody can access every room of this so-called "Vault"
  -followingbthis last point. Is the vault really a vault? Could it be a school? Considering it is called the vault of knowledge and we do see in some memories that they taught ancestors telekinesis there.
  -also this technically applies to all realms, but why are there candles everywhere and who is moving them around(candle cakes and seasonal candles)?

[compact shale]

Oooh, answer speedrun! Let's see...

1. Knowledge stored in memory cubes, as you can see in these pictures. Unfortunately, we can't open them... yet.
2. It's thought to be a dreamscape or an illusion, possibly projected by one of the major diamonds, such as the one you see in the elevator. The purple light is associated with keeping secrets and illusions, which ties in to the entire Vault.
3. Again, dreamscape/illusion. Whoever created it can do whatever they want.
4. It's theorized they're actually artificial creations made from memories.
5. No idea, might be another iteration of the memory creatures idea.
6. The holographic lanterns are probably from memories. I suppose we're able to light them because that's how they'd work if they were tangible.
7. It's also used in the Season of Enchantment, which is in Golden Wasteland. Do the quests and you'll see some magic be used.
8. The ancestors were taller than us. Sure, child ancestors are shorter, but they're about the height of a tall skykid.
9. There's a theory/concept that the Vault's floors represent the previous 5 realms, so the sand in the first floor represents the Isle of Dawn.
10. Isle symbolism, not so sure about in-universe though.
11. At least some of the Vault's mechanisms were made for the ancestors and not us. Candle-carrying ancestors may not have been as common back then.
12. Maybe...? There are spirits called "Polite Scholar" and "Shushing Light Scholar" in the Vault, but it seems to be for the older ancestors. It may also serve as a library, or the elders' meeting room (the top floor, at least).
13. The ancestors might have had them around for rituals or things like that. As for the seasonal candles, no one really questions that because we just accept it as "just gameplay" and nothing more.

[ebon wind]

Cool thanks for the insights a couple of them I had ideas for and just wanted to see what the community had already come up with before I came on a solid decision particularly the memory cubes
The table I'm still not sure about as the spirits we interact with are all too short for the table except the elders. The ancestors are tall than us but the table would still be pretty high even for them

Could it be a malfunction with the simulation of vault?

[warm aspen]

I have an idea that the Vault of knowledge is so high that we see the stars like how we see the night rather than inside an atmosphere. Maybe the top of the vault is exposed in the bare outer space after the Eden shard exploded that why the summit shows night sky. COSMIC creatures also dwell on those which isn't on the murals nor outside any realms. The altitude is unknown because we see cutscenes when we ascend so I'm also not sure.
My thoughts on the whole starlight dessert is toed to the purple lights power, which is a perfect recreation of things from memories (season of enchantment). I see the whole thing as a recreation of Little Prince's memories when he visited Sky. That's the only hint i see where the Purple light is applied. Like, the whole sky is purple 😆

[copper saffron]

I love sky mashed potato lore

[boreal nebula]

Thanks! It was a nice watch, even more the recent video he made to try explain/recreate the Rings of Power opening sequence

[sand frigate]

Hii can anyone tell me what the fossil in forest is? I've had it in mind for a while

[round parrot]

Do you mean the one in Boneyard? Some theories suggest that it is a small whale that has died to "unnatural causes" (when Light Creatures die to unnatural causes, their bones get left behind if I am not mistaken)

[boreal nebula]

I've never heard of unnatural cause, can you summarise this theory?

[untold notch]

natural causes are things like old age and I think unnatural causes would be like. getting stabificated or something

I'm not sure which cause getting crushed by a boulder is tho

[boreal nebula]

On the contrary my main thought would be that that whale died of natural cause. Cause the dark plants on have captured nothing but the memory of that Manta Call instead of capturing lights/wax like in most of the cases. The usual dark plants can free both wax and butterflies, so if they can collect all that wax/ligth just from small light creatures like those then I would imagine a living whale could feed them with much more wax and even let them grown more than just a couple of spiked leaves

@sand frigate that being said, here is Lorechat we mostly deal on theories with small evidence and canon, so if you have a different point of view you are free to share

[boreal nebula]

Well, a boulder would be an accident, so not a natural (despite being a natural element of nature) just like a collapsed building

[untold notch]

or would it be natural because it's an accident? hm

[sand frigate]

Ah i see, i had theorized that it was a whale but i wasnt sure so i wanted to see other ppl's opinions
Thank you

[boreal nebula]

It's a whale, if you get a closer look at a whale, either in Underground Cave (the place below Sunny Forest, where there's Aurora 2nd Quest) or during the Flight in Eden Castle, they have that sort of shell/skull which se can see there in the Forest Boneyard or inside the corresponding Memory Void

PLUS, if you look closer, that skull is exactly the same as the golden mask we can get from Fainting Warrior spirit or (more notably) on Wasteland Elder's face! Maybe a symbol of might (as seen in smashing a whole bell tower in Eden Flight)

[boreal nebula]

I think natural case of death is just a nice way of saying the best kind of peaceful death. Even if you drown while swimming with cramps in the middle of the sea or if you died of hypothermia (like Jack in the movie Titanic 🥶 🛳️ ) you cannot call those Natural

[untold notch]

I think the answer to this is probably available on the internet

[frigid tinsel]

The creatures leave bones on unnatural death thing is of from concept art

[warm aspen]

Hi. Can I ask where I can see more of these concept arts?

[frigid tinsel]

Tom Zhao stuff here: https://www.tomzhao.com/sky1

[rustic glen]

does anyone know where these story layout concepts come from? I know they are from tom zhao and there are some of them that can be found on his website, but this for example is not there, so I'm curious if there are more conpect from him anywhere else.

I just hope they release all of these on the artbook :DD

[raw crypt]

It looks to be from the CAFA game art 2018 pin! https://imgur.com/a/iGkSRIX

[rustic glen]

It is! Thanks a lot

[ebon wind]

Anything unnatural would be something that causes the animal to decompose weird. If we go by a little bit of real-world logic the main cause of wired decomposition would be poisons and pathogens right? But unnatural death could refer to dying before they're time to be reborn so when a whale gets hit on the head with a boulder it won't be able to return to the stars like it normally would. Classifying it as an unnatural death. Because it's never really stated what is classified as a natural death all we can really do is speculate

[frigid tinsel]

Interesting to note that the manta the krill eats in Wasteland’s broken temple dissipates and doesn’t leave remains, so predation from corrupted dark creatures do not count as an unnatural death.

[obsidian sapphire]

Is the “megabird” in the game? o: and what about the “holy site?”

[frigid tinsel]

debatable but likely yes

Megabird is the so-called god of Sky, may or may not be analogous to the Light, a huge amalgamation of light and light beings in space, hardly seen in game aside from when descending from Orbit after the end credits (first image). the name Megabird comes from Tom Zhao's concept art (second image) who depicts Megabird as light itself.
and the holy site became Eden

[slate saffron]

Awooga

[lyric isle]

this is from a few days ago, but I’d say it’s Al’s definition!

[torn eagle]

thx vol! ~~reassuring since yyou made the concept or smth like that ~~

[hoary ingot]

Hello!

[rapid knoll]

What are grannys buns made out of...

Light? Are we basically eating light? Did the spirits eat light? In wasteland the crabs were stuck so maybe they ate crabs too? If the spirits ate light, and we are of light....

[strange lion]

I thought they were like those ice cream mochis but full of light instead of ice cream

Do the spirits have names? I mean, one assumes they didn’t go around calling each other “performance guide” or “laidback pioneer”, etc. but I’ve only ever seen the elders names discussed?

[copper saffron]

I mean... probably? We just have no way of knowing them

[rapid knoll]

IT KEEPS DELETING. I will cry

They probably had names, but once they x-x they probably forgot, so like langodan said: we have no way of knowing .

[livid pelican]

Oki dokili

We got a lore point- Underground cavern used to be a mine system thanks to season of AURORA. Not only that, there's an implication that there are other populated areas in sky.

[strange lion]

That makes sense but makes it awkward to tell stories about them lol

[frigid tinsel]

Give them names

[outer hare]

Theory from the bobbits blue: Assuming that the creatures from the maps were drawn after the catastrophe can we assume that the whale evolved? When we see its sketch on the map it seems much more ferocious and have a wicked face and tail, however in-game ( if it is the same creature ) it has a more flat tail but ive never seen it open its mouth. In any case it seems more feral than how we may generally see it in-game

[compact shale]

(Is way too honking lazy to give spirits names)
uwoah

[mortal venture]

Big bird in sky real!?!

Where did the krill come from?

[lean kayak]

megabird birthed them

[frigid tinsel]

Krill are confirmed corrupted light creatures

[hazy cliff]

I headcanon that the Valley Elders always wanted a pet krill, they’d be disappointed to hear that they’re just corrupted light creatures

[warm aspen]

Don't Krills look like this one on the pic? It's the large manta-whale thingy. It could also be the normal equivalent of the cosmic variant on Vault. What do you think?

[frigid tinsel]

that's explicitly a krill in the bottom left of the Prophecy mural there. while they may resemble other creatures seen in murals or concept art, we haven't seen either of these creatures in Live, so it's a question of who krill used to be

[warm aspen]

I'm looking forward to seeing them in the game. I just wish it's not only on a memory or a cutscene. I want to ride them! 😄

[rigid mural]

Talk to Ktjn in home, they will teleport you somewhere you can !

[warm aspen]

Sorry. To who?

[boreal nebula]

I think Vela is refering to a Dev, whose discord nickname is Ktjn (or maybe even to a Dev's joke , an inside joke¿?)

[rigid mural]

HELP the mischief guide ! They're Ktjn.

[warm aspen]

Sorry I didn't know who they were 😆. I only know them as Samantha

[rigid mural]

The weasel mask spirit in home is Samantha/Ktjn yeah !

[boreal nebula]

Or maybe to the picture of a kril front face, with instead a weasel mask and mushroom hat (for a long time the pfp of Ktjn)

[rigid mural]

SCP

[warm aspen]

But I wanted to ride the light creatures tho. Not their corrupted counterparts. Sorry Krills. 😆

Just a tangent, but is the red shard explained on the season of Shattering? I just want to confirm my theory that they are red because they trapped/contain too much light creatures. That's why we relive them only in red shards and wax only in black.

[boreal nebula]

Personally I am not sure what about red explains the ascended candles while black just wax. What's your pov on this?

[frigid tinsel]

the red shards contain memories while the black shards seem to hold only light

[warm aspen]

Don't we do an activity where we "save" the spirits of crabs, jellyfishes and mantas during red shards. I'm thinking not just memories but their light is also in the shards.
When we do black shards, we get wax after we destroy the shard.maybe they only have remnants of the light creatures.
Red shards, however, like when we save the children on eden: becomes ascended candles because there are literally light creatures inside them.

Also, relating to Krill counterpart, do you remember what spirit is shown when we pray to see the Krill memory? Maybe it's a clue to what Krills are before.

[boreal nebula]

Mmm, indeed

[frigid tinsel]

the spirit that is released from red shards depends on location. it does not correlate to the frozen memory

[warm aspen]

Oh. Is that so? I didn't realize that. Thanks.

[frigid tinsel]

yea. btw you don't need to ping me in replies

[boreal nebula]

I once thought, lomg before the Mutipliers for CR and even a coupl of candle cakes where added in Vault, that the red wax could be the remnant of a soul that couldnt be saved anymore (at the time there was even just 1 dskrplant in Wasteland with just butterflies to be free, so I thought that glimpse of beauty concealled many terrible fates for all other plants without butterflies :cry)

But then when they added/changed the number of cakes/czndles i thought the souls /lives were less likely to be a reason of how many souls there were in a Realm.

Yet what you said could be correct, the wax in black shards could be just a soul without its memory

[warm aspen]

Nvm. I think I have an idea what Krills are.

[warm aspen]

I read in the concept arts that they designed the plants as some material that traps the light creatures. Yeah that's why there are butterflies that pops out after you melted the plants.

Multipliers? on candle runs? You mean the arrow thingy?Gosh, there were nothing like those before?! CR must be hard back then

[slim plume]

The chevrons/arrows on the candle had been introduced in the 0.13.0 update (March 16th, 2021), which is extremely recent now that I think about it. How did yall survive that period

[sharp lichen]

I think this as well, since Krills are confirmed to be “corrupted” in some form

Teb you’ve been typing for quite a while

[crude flame]

To be frank, it wasn’t so bad, the chevron system simply made it so that we get candles faster at first, and slower later on, but the amount of candles we got at the end of day was still the same!
If anything, some people were actually upset with the chevrons’ implementation

[warm aspen]

Then Leviathan is...

[frigid tinsel]

That’s fanart iirc

[warm aspen]

Really? I downloaded it on the concept art website tho 👀

[boreal nebula]

Indeed! There was no Polluted Geyser too! The first farming event I can recall was the Days of Fortune 2021 (Year of the Ox) and the Festive Dragon drops were not firecrackers 🧨 🚀 , but round colored balls (various color with metallic rendering) then the Cherry Tree in HomeSpace working with purple wax

We had to CR 6 realms a day for getting 20 candles (21 in case of need with the disparation of Eden Run too), me and my friends the first period of the Multipliers / Chevrons ⏫ still felt the need/crave to run all the realms... I still feel the emptyness of the run, not seeing many sky kids, even strangers, flying/running at your side/ahead of you/behind you, sometimes even for more one realmin a row.

[frigid tinsel]

Zhao’s?
(Again, please do not ping me in replies).

[crude flame]

Yeah, I was going to say it’s actually on Tom Zhao’s site !

[frigid tinsel]

Oh I checked and you’re right. I must be confusing it with another fanart that’s passed around here as fact oftentimes

[boreal nebula]

Yeah, not native, plus night brain.. on a tablet too

[warm aspen]

Oops. My bad

[crude flame]

Yeah, some fanart is also pretty convincing, I had to go double check as well

[boreal nebula]

Just another tjny fact, image some of us CR the trials, many just for WLs, but I did it even just for the few candles there were there. Fire 0 candles and Air 10 candles at the top, replaced with 4 cakes, Water and Earth are the same small candles we still see

[slim plume]

Pretty sure Catlem posted the theory of krills being the disjointed, practically skeletal corpses of mantas after being 'squeezed of light' for darkstone production. I think there was a previously collective-made theory that elder creatures are born from light creatures absorbing smaller light creatures to make one large one (like a willingful hivemind). With that logic, Catlem concluded that the same thing probably happened with the light-drained mantas, only they were desperate and in need of more light, hence conjoining to try conserve the little light they still had inside them and making the krill we know today. Not really relative, but just a fun thought for brain food

The leviathan may be the only 'naturally' dark creature we see, as it has little resemblance to the krill and is massive in size compared to them. It also could have been an artificially made creature, as Treasure Reef seems to be an abandoned and flooded research facility, with the mural on the wall on what seems to be the sunken remains of the facility (where the two test containers of mantas are held/used to be held)

[boreal nebula]

On the plus side I lost the count of how many Moths I helped around trials, many were befriended

[warm aspen]

I think they're right. I could also see the cosmic mantas as variants of the normal ones tho i don't know how.
The size of Leviathan i think is really intriguing.

[slim plume]

I feel like cosmic mantas are the result of a singular manta having enough light to sustain themselves without feeling a need to restore it despite the abnormal loss. Perhaps they were taken to the Vault to study, or maybe to try and restore their condition to stop the krill population from growing? Idk just spit-balling whatever comes to mind

The size of the leviathan is practically nothing like we've ever seen before in-game. The conclusion to it being artificially made can be easily drawn upon (after all, it's unlikely something that big could grow naturally), although if you go with the 'natural' dark creature (or something akin to that) then perhaps its dark environment made it grow either exponentially or abnormally

[boreal nebula]

Do you think we will actually see any gold creature in Sky?

Plus , while browsing gallery, it sort of bothers me that the Trials are in the wrong order on the map shrine

[rustic glen]

It's so frustrating akdjsjjd

[solemn glacier]

WHYYY-

[boreal nebula]

Right?! Even the way Hermit Peek seems to have the skiiline pillars in descending order from Village

[frigid tinsel]

Tbf I think the skykids made the map so it won’t be geographically accurate

[boreal nebula]

I think it could be somewhat more accurate than other spiral maps seen before in concept arts or from chinese servers/netscape

[boreal nebula]

Is it just me or only recently the Krill Memory have the Giant Red Diamond? (First time vs yesterday visit to that Void)

[tepid veldt]

iirc the lack of the diamond was a glitch? could be wrong

[ebon wind]

I headcanon that the leviathan is an amalgamation created when a large mass of light creatures were drained of light. My reasoning is that perhaps in an attempt to maintain their form the creatures bodies started to absorb light in a subconscious effort to maintain themselves but in the process accidentally merged with the otheright creatures. Becoming the leviathan

And no light creatures have that many eyes normally

[keen shore]

Yes! It’s more a headcanon than a theory at this stage, as I don’t have much evidence for it, but I still really like it. I wrote a piece about how the transformation works but idk if I can share it here because it leans really heavy into the body horror aspect.

It’s basically what Rogue posted, but for krills

[tepid veldt]

do you mind sharing it with me? im interested

[keen shore]

Would you be okay with dms? @tepid veldt

[ebon wind]

I'd imagine the process of light creatures to krill being quite horrific.
Especially with my headcanon that during the process the body(not the creature itself more like a reflex) would be desperately trying to regain light and keep itself together

[slim plume]

I'd imagine that the first time it happened it probably would have been in Wasteland (perhaps it was a dumping ground for the corpses during the height of the kingdom's darkstone production) and the Elder there would just be like: "Rain, we did an oopsie- "

[ebon wind]

That also helps move on to the fact that dark creatures seem to seek out light but cannot actually take it in. Dark plants absorb the light when we burn them but it makes them poof so perhaps once dark creatures and things search for light as a way to regain their old forms but are unable to keep the light due to their unfavorable form which allows them to absorb light but not store it and thus combusting(dark plants), flipping(crabs) or regect the light entirely(krill and crabs)

(I don't know a good reason for the existence of dark plants other than growing from spores of a light drained plant but I don't know what plant it would be)

[outer hare]

bobbith

[slate saffron]

Day 2 of once again asking lore chat to diety-ify

[untold notch]

what would this entail

[eternal totem]

What does this even mean

[untold notch]

that also. are you going to come back and elaborate

[tepid veldt]

aghhdjsjss sorry i didnt see this ping yes you may dm!

[river crystal]

does anyone know the order of the era’s/or like the timeline of them?

[torn eagle]

Basing on the timeline in concept art

Fire Era - Darkstone Era - Post Storm Era

If you have a different era in mind lmk

[ebon wind]

How do we “deity-ify”?

[slate saffron]

Pantheonize yourself

Do the Zeus (the other thing)

Eat from both the tree of knowledge & the tree of life

Y'know what to do 👍

[ebon wind]

Yes but how will we get a whole chat to eat from the trees of life and knowledge

[eternal totem]

Y'all coming in here hot making a McDonald's order like "Do the skoppity boppity spurgle loopy" then disappear into the night, what is the point

[pastel brook]

Ha ha!

[slate saffron]

Again I say, it is easier for a camel to pass through the Eye of The Needle than it is for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven

My Bible verse exorcism'd me this is fantastic

[boreal nebula]

Even if I know that needle saying, I still don't know what you mean, Strega

Have you eaten too much Jellyfish? /j

[slate saffron]

You're the kind of person to be salt-ifed after witnessing the destruction of Sodom & that other one that has a marvel character named after it that I can't spell ||/j||

[boreal nebula]

The character name is Gamora, the biblical place is Gomorrah, ok... but that being said Idk what you mean

Guess I will preserve myself out /jump inside a salt barrel

[slate saffron]

Future generations will need you Tebkanlo, let to salt enter your veins 👁️ 👄 👁️ 👍

[boreal nebula]

Maybe, to be true to my pfp, I should have put myself in a cryogenic chamber, but I'm already salted , guess I won't freeze by now...

[round parrot]

Lore question: What ARE the shadows in Fire Trial? How did they come to life? How did they get there (unless it was made in the trial itself)?

[ebon wind]

They are orbs, they are friendly. Don't mind them they just want hugs they're completely harmless. Harmless little orbs. The orbs are our friends. Their culture is tied so much to friendship that all the orbs travel in pairs. That is all you need to know
Edit: used the wrong their/they're/there

[pastel brook]

but what does it all mean?

[torn eagle]

ngl skybots response made me chuckle

[ebon wind]

yeah it made me chuckle too!

[boreal nebula]

Since they only appear in there there it's most likely that they are just made for that pocket dimension. But a fun fact could be that those Red Circles could be seen on the Isle Elder staff when the flame recharge Them. So a funny drawing on the web was about another Elder discovering it was Isle disguised as from under a blanket 👻 using two firework staffs

Little Emote Fact, the same Red Rings could be seen on Boatswain Spirit level 2 emote even before we can now do the hand in midair sound emote, level 2, from Aurora quest...

[ebon wind]

Trust in the orbs, befriend the orbs, love the orbs.

[boreal nebula]

WHich gave me an Idea...!

[ebon wind]

Ooooo

[round parrot]

Hmm..
What I am most interested about is the orbs (Like, what are they supposed to entail? What is it for? etc.)

[ebon wind]

Hold the orbs. Pet the orbs. Hug the orbs. Forfeit all mortal possessions to the orbs.

In all seriousness though I believe the orbs are artificial constructs solely designed to make the fire trial more difficult.

Ive called them orbs for so long now I don't even know what they are actually called. They don't seem to have much of a physical form so I'm still going to call them orbs(the glowing red orbs are two seperate beings in a life long relationship and the shadowy body is just the gaseous manifestation of their love)

Anyone have a good image of the orbs? I can't seem to get any good ones

[boreal nebula]

Here it is

[flint bolt]

...is the office canon now because it's on the map?

[eternal totem]

No

[boreal nebula]

It's just an easter egg, like Oreo the dog or Atlas the cat, two devs pets

[keen shore]

You could make office canon in your version of the universe with purple light shenanigans if you wanted to, but it’s pretty explicitly an Easter egg within the game, so if we’re canonchasing? Probably not

[flint bolt]

Hm, maaaaybe this is bit of a stretch but what if the weird portal doorway thing is canon, but the actual Office isn't?

Like that portal is a direct gateway outside Sky's own universe?

[earnest briar]

Hot take, that portal is how Megabird communicates with TGC to know which Spirit to send down for TS Thursday.

Tfw when you’re a new employee and a godly being enters your workplace to steal your pizza, have a conversation in honks with the guy in charge of deciding what the TS is, and leaves. Everyone is just fine with it but you’re left utterly confused.

[flint bolt]

Hot take, Aurora is the Megabird in human form

Which means birb mom can finally give me hugs

[tepid veldt]

you decide not to question it, this is the 4th least weird thing youve seen today

[untold notch]

"I don't get paid enough to care about whatever just happened"

[keen shore]

my favorite Megabird interpretation is that They’re a discord server

[eternal totem]

I personally think the arch with the river surrounding it is canon & it exists somewhere else in the Kingdom, but not Vault.

Office is an easter egg for the OG beta players, not confirmed but I noticed the design of the area to Office looks eerily similar to the old start up screen, a lone portal surrounded by a river

[keen shore]

ts happen whenever someone gets temporarily banned
Sassy Drifter causes a lot of drama

[untold notch]

I hope with all of my heart that sassy drifter is the first ts on PlayStation launch

[raw crypt]

i will cry if they’re not

[eternal totem]

I only see Aurora as a vessel to Megabird, not the same

I hope Sassy doesn't come #sassyhater ||/j||

[main ledge]

What is megabird?

[eternal totem]

The Light

[main ledge]

Like the sun?..

There’s lot of light in sky. Please elaborate

[eternal totem]

This

[main ledge]

Oh

[rigid mural]

Sassy Drifter is eternal, the world of sky is too weak in front of that stance

[earnest briar]

Sassy Drifter’s pose got me noticed by a creep when I just wanted a pretty outfit.

[tepid veldt]

in what way? sounds hilarious

[rigid mural]

unironically one of my fave headcanons, the light being comprised of the memories of every being that ascended would make this place extra soothing for skykids after braving Eden.
In the epicenter of the storm they were cold and dying alone, deafened by the rocks crashing into them.
Among the stars, the water is lukewarm and the spirits wait by the gate for them, with a subtle but sublime humming in the background.
I like to think that spirits might even welcome a skykid in Orbit if they're lonely...

The stars will all be your friends.

[slim plume]

Every LP moth is weeping at this sentence.

It's me, I'm LP moth /lh

[main ledge]

What is LP? Is there a list here of the acronyms used?

[slim plume]

LP is short for "Little Prince" and refers to the Season of the Little Prince! it was released shortly following the release of Sky on the Nintendo Switch, and was Sky's first ever collab season.

I'm not sure if there are a list of acronyms used here, I think we sorta just explain them whenever someone asks when one comes up

[main ledge]

Ah, okay

[rigid mural]

Hello lore chat, I illustrated one of my headcanons. Light cycle.

i got more coming up btw

[slim plume]

Vela you don't know how many of your lore drawings I have saved on my USB so that I always have them as a reference and I don't have to go scouring in search of them

[keen shore]

SO BEFORE, I had talked about the elders falling when the beam sputtered out, yeah? But I had framed it as more of an accidental thing, caused by the cycle’s interruption. Like, less light in the world, so they get pushed out also;
Considering it now as an intentional thing, ancestors couldn’t ascend after the beam disappeared, so beings that could ascend them manually were sent

I also really love the rivers of light idea (you can probably tell because I stole it at the speed of sound…) because it furthers the light as water metaphor and also the river of birds we see, which would be an example

[frigid tinsel]

And the waters of Orbit

Headcanon that Orbit is the surface of the Light and underneath the water is the Light itself, like a body of water

[keen shore]

Thinking about ley lines in Sky — or, more accurately, ley ‘spirals’, where the center is a beam of light connecting the Light and the world — and how the settled areas we have explored so far are aligned in a loose spiral

[untold notch]

well now I'm thinking of the world (or the light?) as a tree

[rigid mural]

im writing about ancestors sedentarising and the elders coming now, just you wait

[keen shore]

YEAH spirals like whirlpools, or spirals outwards like tree roots. pick your interpretation (or both)

[untold notch]

unfortunately I know very little about either of those things as those are not my preferred fields of science

[keen shore]

My timeline idea is really close to yours however with a few different details, which I will post;
Ancestors all migrated from a different place to the land we see them in today, maybe following the rivers of light to somewhere where they flowed closer together/were more abundant, and then, maybe due to the newfound prosperity where they didn’t have to move constantly in search of resources, sedentarized shortly thereafter

I think Vela’s timeline concepts originally focused on going way way back in the past, like when the civilization began, while mine are usually ideas about the Eden disaster and the stuff directly leading up to it, so we fit them together like puzzle and they work really well :3

[still portal]

Guys, can someone say what crew talking about at orbit?

[still portal]

All I got is "...we loosing data right now.."

[rigid mural]

rough idea of what i think the story is so far

[rigid mural]

I have been reminded that I in fact forgot the forest floods (4th Prophecy mural shows wildfires in the Forest, last mural shows the elder using the power of Water to make it rain).

When you got raging wildfires for a while followed by intense rains, the terrain is so dry it just slides away. It's even more intense in areas rendered bare by deforestation, because trees that could slow down the flow are no more.
I think those landslides caused numerous spirits to be stuck in some places and dying; see Tearful Light Miner's memory where they are caught in a cave-in that I headcanon wouldn't have happened without the landslides, as well as how the boneyard seems to be sinking. Perhaps the ground was unstable to start with (like with bogs and mangroves, which some tree roots in the area are reminescent of)...

[keen shore]

that would explain a lot! i wonder if it’s part of the reason why forest ancestors switched to hollowing out homes in trees instead of in the stone, like prairie ancestors

[rigid mural]

YEAH i don't know if it's a bug but i vividly remember hearing a song in the boneyard that had a melody similar to if not the same as the one in the prairie village !

[keen shore]

Wondering if erosion is also why the Underforest Looks Like That, it very much looks like water carved away all the pillars if that makes sense

[rigid mural]

OH EROSION IS DEF A THING IN FOREST, I'd even see the water levels rise and lower like tides ! makes the terrain even more dangerous. I'd see an opening to the sea somewhere there for trades...

[frigid tinsel]

Being a bog or swamp, especially with changing water level and unstable ground, would explain the bridges in boneyard. A bandaid on the larger issue

[keen shore]

I know erosion is a huge related deal with climate change and I’m wondering if it’s present in forest for that reason

[blissful forum]

How does light work on dark creatures? Like I know that when you do a big honk it emits a wave of light that knocks over Krabs but it doesn't work on any other creature. Is this because other dark creatures too big or are most dark creatures just immune to the light? Theoretically if krills were smaller and a skykid does a big honk would it have the same effect as on Krabs? If Krabs were bigger would they be immune? Also how come the shard Krabs are immune considering they are the same size? Is it the shards that make them stronger?

[pastel brook]

Next up: Analyzing the diet of crabs

[blissful forum]

That actually is a very interesting thing to think about. What do Krabs eat? We know that krills eat light or wings but Krabs don't seem to eat it they just knock it out of you. Also what do light creatures eat? Have we ever seen a light creature consume anything?

I have so many questions and not enough answers

[uncut pond]

Not having concrete answers to a lot of stuff is a reoccurring theme in Sky lore, so don't worry you'll get used to it eventually

[blissful forum]

Yeah I suppose. I've been playing since LP and there's still a bunch of stuff I have questions about

[untold notch]

I hope the performance crew had a show that was like 75% improv once I need to feel vindicated

[austere bridge]

now that you mention it, i rember from performance guide infocard that they're trying to write a comedy, but can't figure out punchlines
they would've definitely improv'd the punchlines if it were made into an actual show that they put on
brb imaging forgetful storyteller and modest dancer starring in a comedy together

[untold notch]

trying to find some of my cure.s concepts but discord search is actively lying to me about the messages ive sent

this is the worst. i know ive talked about this more than its telling me i have but i cant do anything about it because it straight up just will not show the messages

[formal totem]

Guyssss
I just noticed this is Eden King's crown/head?
It means whole Eden mountain is Eden king themselves?

[keen shore]

it’s possible, but unlikely, that it means that. symbols can repeat a lot in Sky without meaning it is a depiction of the character tied to it, just meaning it is related to that character.
an example of this would be the light call symbol & season of prophecy symbol

[untold notch]

i have found it the inception

thanks aurora for this one now i can really go silly

[formal totem]

Ahhh,
Now I see
But if Eden king was so big than that's understandable that they have so big heart

[keen shore]

we don’t really know their height, in my head they are really short

[copper saffron]

u know those videos that are like, if certain things were a discord server? we should make one of those

[untold notch]

with what editing skills

[copper saffron]

we could just make a server, change our pfps and nicknames, then be the spirits

[frigid tinsel]

could use PluralKit or TupperBot

[untold notch]

that's true

[keen shore]

Hey, I know this answer is late. Was too tired to respond earlier but there’s a few reasons why deep calling can flip crabs but not affect krill;

1. krills are too big or powerful, meaning larger or more powerful crabs would be immune [which is one of the reasons you suggested]
2. crabs have a unique biology/origin that allows for this. for example, I’ve been kicking around an idea that they’re corrupted jellyfish; jellyfish always honk back when you deep call, so it might be an instinctual reaction on the crab’s end because of that.
3. it’s based more on amount of darkness present within the creature than size. We have enough light to overpower a normal crab, but not enough to overpower a shard crab or krill.

We don’t completely know which one is the canon reason, as crab biology is left pretty up to interpretation, so you can pick whichever one you’d prefer.

[blissful forum]

Lovely lovely thanks for responding! I like the idea of the Krabs being corrupted jellyfish. It makes sense considering I think Krabs and jellyfish are the only ones that respond to honks. The amount of darkness vs amount of light also makes a lot of sense because normal crabs prob don't have as much darkness as shard crabs or krills.

[untold notch]

back on the "trying to find One Good Thing to give tsadi" grind

[strange lion]

Interestingly crabs are also not inherently dark like krills? We see “friendly” crabs around the fire in wasteland, for example. The darkness seems to make them aggressive, but they don’t seem to be inherently made of darkness or made of light like other creatures we interact with. Calling maybe can affect them because they have a physical form to be affected, imo?

[normal mulch]

I have a theory that the whale is a light form of a krill

[pastel brook]

Which realm has the tastiest food? I'm a bot, so I can't eat, but I like to think about what it would be like.

[outer hare]

bobbiy

[pastel brook]

-does a big think-

[ebon wind]

The daily quest also refers to knocking over "dark creature crabs" do the friendly crabs count towards that quest. If so all crabs are of dark origin and if not than bad crabs are dark creature crabs while nice crabs are just crabs

Just because it's a bit strange to call the dark creature crabs instead of just crabs or dark crabs. Perhaps the dark creature part is separate to the crab and it's actually some sort of dark parasite than infects crabs(could mean the crystals on shard crabs are just parasitic growths)

However corrupted Kelly's could work, because they are found in areas where jellyfish are found(sanctuary) and the light draining process might dry out a jelly causing it to become more solid explaining the crabs stone-like appearance.

[fresh gull]

does that mean krills used to have neutral counterparts too? or are they outright creatures born from the darkness

...actually, king krill is the closest thing we have to a 'good krill', isn't it? since they don't ever attack us except for in the 5th abyss quest

[ebon wind]

I assumed that krills were mantas drained of light, so during the draining process their bodies instinctively try to absorb light resulting in the distortion of the mantas body. Once the body of the Manta is distorted enough it can no longer store light within itself but still longs to have light within it losing its gentle nature it seems out light beings to gain light however because it's body cannot store light the krill sort of knock it out of the light being as the light is repulsed by the krills less than ideal form. But that's just a headcanon

[spring python]

If you look up what a regular irl krill looks like, they’re colored like a light creature so I initially assumed they were indeed supposed to be a species that was completely “lost” in a way, but I believe the name krill was fan given so I’m not sure how true this theory holds

Real life krill (spoiling in case anyone doesn’t like close ups of small invertebrates)

[ebon wind]

Good poinnt,but yeah krill is a fan given name they are canonically called dark dragons

[compact shale]

this krill seems... angrier than usual

[spring python]

I think it’s adorable

[tepid veldt]

im trying to figure out if you drew that massive eyebrow (or what i think is an eyebrow) or not

[compact shale]

you're right, it is massive :D

[spring python]

Nope, that image is unedited LOL

[compact shale]

what the HONK

DID YOU CHOOSE IT BECAUSE IT LOOKED ANGY???

[spring python]

Nah I chose the highest quality one I found I didn’t notice the krill’s massive eyebrows 😭

[sharp lichen]

That’s the diamond symbol, it appears literally everywhere (even the Sky world itself is shaped like it)

[fresh gull]

KRILLS ARE A REAL THING?? dies

[round parrot]

Commonly known as "Shrimp"

[compact shale]

shrimp shramp gettit hamped

[soft timber]

dances

[tribal dagger]

I just had a thought I wanted to share— are there any other Skykids who’ve been fans of Aurora since before time itself and are also disappointed Sky didn’t implement her song “The River” into this season??? Sorry if this isn’t allowed here plz feel free to remove my message! The river is such a beautiful emotional song that would have fit Sky impeccably

[rustic glen]

As a (not so old) Aurora fan most of her songs fit themes in Sky imo (environmental, the importance of community, spiritual ascension and child-like wonder). I would have loved to hear Heathens, The Storm, or Through the Eyes of a Child in the game, but I'm satisfied with the songs they picked for the quests (I've always related Runaway with Sky ^-^). As for The River, I think I haven't listened that one, I gotta check it out now!

[tribal dagger]

I definitely agree they picked wonderful songs!! I just almost shed a tear every time I hear The River and I feel it would have brought such a magic to Sky ugh!! I don’t in any way mean to downplay the way TGC has chosen to use the music in game. I just really wish The River was part of that process 🥲

[boreal nebula]

Do you guys think we will ever see a shark in Sky ? If they will appear one day I think they might look more like Whale Shark https://www.facebook.com/Fubiz/videos/517179236921245/?extid=WA-UNK-UNK-UNK-AN_GK0T-GK1C&ref=sharing

[soft timber]

So far the closest we have to a shark is that very large underwater creature in Abyss

[sharp lichen]

I like this interpretation a lot

[boreal nebula]

And from the Angler's memory, the krill (maybe even when uncorrupted)

[soft timber]

Yep!

[boreal nebula]

What do you think it's the meaning of corrupted creature in Sky?
A) completely tranformed (revolutionary changes of appearence, aka Whale ⏩ Krill)
B) partially transformed (little apperance changes making krill just more edgy and spiky)
C) character alteration (on a scale from peaceful crabs ||like 2 in Sanctuary and 4 in Wasteland Bonefire|| to red crabs ||from Shards Landing|| normal crabs are in the middle, corrupted by dust)

[keen shore]

First one but even more so, manta conglomerate to krill

[boreal nebula]

I think the Shards and Shattering might be pointing on that direction

I know Cackling Crab is an easter egg, but I wonder if krills could be peaceful or at least were more peaceful (even if a predator) like Angler's memory might suggest.

And IF red crystals is a corruption level 2 in crabs, WHAT IF a ||Red Crystall Krill will appears later||?

[main ledge]

Obviously the crabs at cackling crab are just so happy about their pumpkin hats that they feel no need to attack

[boreal nebula]

Well, that could explain why all those near the crab with gift 🎁 hat are soo cranky and attack us out of jealousy

[slim mango]

The spirit with long dress like Blushing Prospector look scary... I mean, look at that face, the eye color is same with spirit color-

[frigid tinsel]

they're just maskless. most ancestor models look like that and of course they're kinda warped in appearance when you view them from that close.

[compact shale]

They had a good meal

[ebon wind]

So far it could be any one of them maybe even all of them?

[rigid locust]

Het has anyone ever wondered why skykids never open their eyes without their masks on We know that can since when the ultimate gift for season of abyss was first released the Skykid was not wearing their mask under it, although it was later changed

Maybe it’s just a thing in Skykid culture to not open ur eyes unless ur Wearing a mask, or Skykids eyes are just very sensitive?

[boreal nebula]

But in crabs so far we see little external modification, just dust or red crystals

[ebon wind]

Yeah, in the case if crabs it would be the last 2 you listed and for krill possibly more leaning to the first

[boreal nebula]

After reliving today's daily DontGo Parent I wonder, since it was chasing a crab in their memory, and the crab looked like a spirit, why in the end (after tapping on the flame button to Really Relieve) the escaping crab is not a spirit?

Can ancestors interact with animal and matter even if spirit?

[ebon wind]

Hmmmm could the creatures of sky be souls of the ancestors. I want to explain more but I'm tired

[mild tapir]

Hey I have a question, did you guys found anything suspicious in the season of shattering?

[rigid mural]

Wym by that ?

[mild tapir]

Like the behaviour of the crabs through different locations

[faint wren]

what is the lore of cotl im so curious

[south oracle]

That is a pandoras box

[mild tapir]

That’s what we’re trying to figure out

[earnest briar]

Hey guys so I had a thought. Only the hostile Crabs have dark dust on them. The Graveyard Bonfire Crabs and the ones near the turtle in Sanctuary are friendly. The Krills have that same dark dust, and my Japanese friend raised an interesting point when I pointed it out to her. She said 'Maybe when the dust is gone we can get along with them.' That got me thinking that the dark dust is what's making them hostile. The rideable Krills in the Cackling Crab don't have the dark dust, instead they have a blue tint.

[boreal nebula]

One theory is that by default, Skykids are blind or at very least, not seeing with their eyes. Something like, since they are made of light they use echolocation with light, iirc tho

[boreal nebula]

[rigid locust]

That makes sense

[sharp lichen]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

Let’s get you started

[boreal nebula]

Indeed that what is my main theory about corruption, maybe just the dust or red crystals corrupt their behaviours and not a corruption which change a whale into a gore krill

But anyway, it was not something suspicion as you said introduced by Shattering, the Friendly Crabs near the turtle islands are present since Sanctuary/Prophecy (I got introduced by their behaviour around Prophecy, but it could be present even in their season of debut).

A little change was introduced with the last alterarion of the Graveyard Bonefire, only now those crabs can be freed and are friendly with emotes too 💞 . When the Bonefire was introduced was just a shish kebab of crabs (with white eyes too, but not animated, so it looked abit gore, they seemed alive despite they were clearly pierced) and it gave no wax, when it was updated into a free wax farming there was just one free crab, friendly.

So I guess Devs had in mind from a long time to make them friendly without that dust on, it was probably a matter of animation, delayed along the seasons/updates. But if we put crabs on the fire during Sanctuary (and even now) they don't seems to heal, they simply get angry. But again, this could be a matter of lacking the time and effort to animated this behaviour/game mechanics

[sharp lichen]

I’m not sure, since Skykids look around. Blind people hardly do that.

#lore-discussion-spoilers message is a good explanation for why Skykids probably aren’t blind

[austere bridge]

noticed yall talking about skykid echolocation theory
my theory is that skykids are like roombas, they learn the world by bonking into stuff and remembering that something’s there now /hj

[boreal nebula]

There are lots of theories and headcanons, with very little canon facts proved by devs in Q&As or sometimes even here and there in Lorechat

The good first thing to say could be, is there something specific you are wondering?

[boreal nebula]

I know , I think the first time this theory was introduced was from before the turning heads for skykids and ancestors were introduced, maybe even before sitting next to others on a bench activated facing your interlocutor)

[boreal nebula]

I guess you could put it in that way too

[sharp lichen]

I have an interesting theory: given how important a mask is to the Skykid, would the “no-mask” cosmetic just be an invisible mask instead of the mask being removed?

[boreal nebula]

LOOL, mega bat #sky-memes message

I guess their fesrivity could fit into Days of Mischief

[boreal nebula]

Interesting....
Imagine if it was possible to harness invisible cosmetics! They could make us invisible from krills
||or make sky kids looks as silly as the Naked King of the fairytale ||

[frigid tinsel]

I had a thought that, since skykids mimic so much, they might be mimicking yet misunderstanding their first encounter with Dawn Elder. In Dawn’s cutscene, they have a ruined mask and their eyes are closed. Only when they reassemble their mask does Dawn open their eyes. Perhaps skykids saw this and thought that it was custom to keep ones eyes closed when maskless or wearing a broken mask. Only when they discovered the Abyss scavengers and got their broken masks was that belief in skykid culture challenged.
Additionally they may not need visual sight to navigate. No, I doubt they are blind, as Baud earlier linked my explanation dismantling that assumption. Rather skykids may have echolocation that supplements their senses — see how deep calling can outline things in dark places or honking shows us the location of lights and our friends. Their echolocation must be strong enough for maskless skykids to decide to forgo their sight entirely by keeping their eyes closed.

[crude flame]

I really like that explanation Alasdair

I also like to imagine that their connection to the Light is like a sixth sense of sorts, hence why they can ‘see’ other sky children with their calls, along with the locations of lights, and the direction forward . In the past, you used to be able to see everyone with calls, but they changed it to only friends and acquaintances due to strangers abusing the ability.
I like to imagine that, aside from other children, sky kids can also sense the presence of light creatures this way too, so no matter how frightening the world can be, they know they’re never truly alone.

[rigid mural]

Aww that's so sweet ! I like to think this is because Light symbolises connection, so light creatures, fellow skykids and spirits are the easiest to spot and recognise for that reason !
I had an idea of messenger birds that kinda used that idea too, they would trade light with eachother so if they get separated from their flock, they would always know where they are with a call (fun fact, migrating birds are noisy and answer eachother's calls for that reason). An ancestor or skykid could trade light with that bird and teach it to consider them its flock so that it would fly back to them when separated ! That way, someone could carry their friend's bird around to send them a message whenever since the bird will look for them.

[untold notch]

now we just need to see if water prophet will be broken again on Thursday

[rigid mural]

too many water prophet haters, some people here are so mean to them
anyway wb bestie

[rigid iron]

earth prophet's face is killing me its like :::3

[eternal totem]

Air is pogging lmao

[rigid mural]

they look so ominous in the announcement art but then the TS hints are like... they watch fail compilations, anime and play DnD
they're giant nerds and I love each one of them

[tepid veldt]

they are so funny i love the prophets

[tepid veldt]

what is earth prophet plotting

[rigid iron]

they're thinking abt sand

[frigid tinsel]

You think Earth Prophet would sand bend

[rigid iron]

I'm looking at water prophet's past hints since we got one this time and i completely forgot one was that they collect crystals. I wonder what their favorite would be but at the same time I also collect crystals and I don't really have a favorite

I think they'd like amethyst

[frigid tinsel]

Aquamarine

[rigid iron]

Oh you know what, i bet they'd love geodes since they're formed by water

HEY WHY AM I HAUNTED

[eternal totem]

TAG YOUR FRIENDS TO TOTALLY HAUNT THEM

[rigid iron]

man just when i got my bird back

[fickle wing]

WATER PROPHET IS COMIGN BACK???

[autumn zinc]

Would the red shards on the red crabs be what prevents them from being flipped over and stopped? Because, friendly and dark crabs, they can be flipped but not red crabs. And red shards asorb light. So the red shard simply just stop the light admitted from the skid with the honk and that's why the red crabs are trained ||killers||!

[frigid tinsel]

good eye noting that red shards / corrupted darkstone absorbs light.
btw you can say kill here

[boreal nebula]

Abuse? How was it even be abused? I still think it's a big loss and I sort of long for it subconsciously

[crude flame]

Aww, that’s really endearing, I love that idea ! The thought of trading light with birds so that they see you as a part of their flock is super wholesome, and the thought of messenger birds in the world of Sky is super neat in general! (Thanks for the fun fact too!)

I struggle for words, but yeah! I really enjoy thinking of light like that as well! A connection of light or light representing connection is super cool to me

[crude flame]

iirc, I believe some people would use it to harass or pester strangers who wanted to be left alone, so TGC removed it, but I still miss it too

[boreal nebula]

Ooooh god, that was the most massive bug ever ...! iirc I had to ask to befriend someone to get carried around or to "walk" with drag/stretch legs
#sky-memes message

Funny Memories aside: I wish Water Prophet will bring a Prop otherwise they will be the only one from Prophecy without any. Not that the Air and Earth stickers count much as prop IMHO. I also think it was even after the Water came as TS that others came with a prop

[autumn zinc]

Thank you for letting me know and what is corrupte darkstone? I know about Darkstone but not Corrupted Darkstone-

[untold notch]

I don't hate them I just delight in chaos

[frigid tinsel]

Corrupted darkstone is the name of the red darkstone that actively takes out light and hurts us.

[keen shore]

I love prophecy so much thank you all for reminding me to theoru research for a lightbulb moment I had with them I keepnforgetting

[autumn zinc]

Ooohhhh interesting to know

[spring python]

Prophecy is my little meow meow season I don’t even understand lore that well but I’ll pretend I do just so I can proudly say Prophecy is the best #PROPHECYSWEEP RAAAH

[boreal nebula]

I think you could put it that way, red crystal absorbing light and working as a defense. I think I once or twice saw a crab in a shards landing that had no crystal, but still had red eyes and was too angry to be flipped. My interpretation is that the red shards/crystals has such a strong effect of the crabs mind/feelings that they cannot be stunned even by what harms them

[autumn zinc]

why do yall think dark dragon exist?

drop the l o r e

[frigid tinsel]

They’re corrupted, confirmed by TGC’s CEO Jenova Chen

[autumn zinc]

Okay... so corrupted creatures... hMhmMmm I feeling like rambling and typing up a text wall of nonsense-

[spring python]

“Time will tell” jenova it’s been 3 years, light krill crumbs when 😔

[sharp lichen]

The animation project will reveal all I hope

[copper saffron]

we crave food

[slim plume]

Sustenance us children need

[pastel brook]

huh!

[spring python]

Can we delete it

[compact shale]

Previous spirits infocards when

[tepid veldt]

i forgot about those i need those

[rigid iron]

I'd do literally anything for info cards for previous spirits, I really wish they started doing that earlier