lore-discussion-spoilers

[violet sundial]

This feels like a “Science diagrams that look like s-posts” twitter acc thing… was it twitter or something else. Idk

[fickle wing]

the gotdamn. King of wrath

[violet sundial]

WRATH

[keen shore]

FOUNDER OF GAY WRATH MONTH

[slim plume]

Posessed by what is the question. My guess is "Possessed by the intent to create more warrior cats fursonas"

[eternal totem]

Where is that Ayin from omg 💀

[slim plume]

Ayin's lookin like an animal cell you see under a microscope in biology

[raw crypt]

the old whiteboard storyboard!

tsadi depress

[keen shore]

I lose it when I look at this image because I don’t think it’s right but Dawn looks like they’re just labeled “Owned”

[slim plume]

The old geezer got "owned" when their entire realm went from green green grass to dead dead ash ig

[keen shore]

the text to the left of them also looks like Gay

[raw crypt]

heres the zoomed out version since smths i find zooming out helps readability somehow KHDMFBD

[slim plume]

Tbh I like how deranged the storyboard looks with all the random words and figures with almost illegible words underneath them

[raw crypt]

shout out to intj wizzard

[keen shore]

Night just labeled as ?

[fickle wing]

looking @ the 4th line n how. The king was sometimes referred 2 as one in some concepts n stuff

[raw crypt]

saving the kimg so we can have lucnh together

[fickle wing]

taking them out on a nice picnic with peanut butter banana sandwiches and fruit juice

[slim plume]

Tbf I think Night took the longest amount of time to get the loving bean we know today and I'm just wondering why. Out of all the elders they're the most inconsistently drawn and I just- why did it take them so long? What was it about Night that eluded them so much they had to go through so many iterations of them to finally get them to where they are today? I am analysing their creation process like bacteria under a microscope

[snow cosmos]

my absolutely uninformed intuition says that maybe part of it is that with Night representing knowledge/wisdom it took a lil more developing before the devs knew what all that knowledge was going to be and how it would inform the design?
to design Someone Who Knows Things it helps to have figured out What Things They Know

[keen shore]

i care someone :]

[rigid mural]

I'd pay to be a fly on the wall when they drew that, I want to understand it

[opaque lotus]

sad sky thing: how many skeletons lie under the sand in wasteland

[tepid veldt]

poem is still not here i am losing my mind
brain is actually just the eden diamond

[slim plume]

That's fair to be honest. Wisdom encompasses a lot of things. The Night we have now seems to lean more towards the wisdom of hindsight and the wisdom of preservation. Night in concept seemed to lead more to the wisdom of power ascension or the wisdom of selfishness, they felt more foreboding and less motherly (gender neutral) than they are now

[distant turtle]

“I caro swnz one”

[lyric isle]

something about the scribbly king labelled “WRATH” is so funny

[lyric isle]

this is so silly I love it

[eternal totem]

WRATH

1. I can DIE (no reward)
2. I can SAVE someone
3. I ???? my life
4. I care someone :)

[untold notch]

me whenever I am slightly inconvenienced

[snow cosmos]

i read line 3 as "I can trade my life" but i'm really not sure about "trade"

[keen shore]

I FEEL LIKE IT SAYS TRADE TOO BUT THAT CANT BE RIGHT CAUSE THERES AN I IN THERE ?

[eternal totem]

It looks like an i but it seems like an r

"Trade" makes the most sense in that context

[keen shore]

Yeah trade seems right. I keep laughing at I care someone though because it probably actually says I care saving one but I keep reading it as that

[eternal totem]

"I care you :)" the King returns to this world like nothing happened

WHAT they got a whole personality board laid out

Champion, Writer, ???, ???, Author, Artist, Engineer, ???, ???, Descendant, ???, Executive, Teacher, Shaman, Wizard(?), KING

Was this board deciphered somewhere before

[snow cosmos]

i think INTP is Architect and ENTP is Inventor?

[hushed steeple]

INTP seems to be either Architect or Archivist

[eternal totem]

Yeah I thought Architect but Archivist makes more sense

[snow cosmos]

ESTP appears to be Swashbuckler

[eternal totem]

The hell is a Swashbuckler you just made that word up

[snow cosmos]

pirate but frillier

[slim plume]

Pirate but disney-fied version of pirate

[tepid veldt]

fancy pirate

[snow cosmos]

i think ISFJ is Defender, not Descendant

[untold notch]

I was gonna say gay pirate but that's a prerequisite to piracy

[eternal totem]

Yeah I was gonna say but forgot

[keen shore]

is esfp actor or autor

[eternal totem]

What's an autor

[keen shore]

misspelling of author 😔

[eternal totem]

Kinda looks like Actor now

[untold notch]

I think it's autor? but I Cannot tell

[slim plume]

ISFP looks like a misspelling of "arrest" and I'm sobbing /positive

[eternal totem]

It's probably Artist

[slim plume]

Probably, but "arrest" is funnier

[violet sundial]

Cardiac arrest

[snow cosmos]

i think ESFJ might be Nurturer? it's a bit of a stretch but i've seen it called Caregiver elsewhere so maybe

still squinting at ISTJ, my best bet is Inquisitor but i really dunno

[small sundial]

Isn’t this 2 winged lights hugging like in Eden?

[sharp lichen]

Yes

[frigid tinsel]

Just went to Eden so have a comparison pic

[gleaming fog]

Maybe the lone sky kid is the one who keeps Eden under control (even if it didn’t start the Eden crystal failure)

[languid island]

What symbol might this be part of?

[frigid tinsel]

it's the Yeti's pants

[wheat cypress]

Is it possible to visit the same ancient memory twice?... I accidentally left the one I was looking at and I don't know how to get back in

[cedar widget]

Yes, if you do another red shard event

[wheat cypress]

I've only just done the 4th or 5th quest today

If I do another shard event... will it bring me back to the one I just did? Or the next one?

If I have to wait for single day red shards I don't think I'll finish the season...

Also @frigid tinsel I love your new pfp it fits u really well

[frigid tinsel]

oh, thank you Vela made it – it's very gender

[wheat cypress]

I figured Vela made it lol.... do you happen to know the answer to my question?

[frigid tinsel]

no, I don't. you're prob better off asking in #questions-and-help.
which frozen memory did you last go to?

[wheat cypress]

K... lol my first instinct was ro ask here... I barely ever look at the other channels

The last one I did today was the krills circling around the diamond

[frigid tinsel]

so far no one's been able to return to previous frozen memories but the devs have said we'll be able to in the future. I would assume initiating the next quest would take you to the next one.
I think you'll like the last frozen memory.

[raw crypt]

Yeah I think you can do all the quests from the same shard and be sent to the next quest memory, you just get the daily reward once

[distant turtle]

For me, each weekend has given me just a single memory no matter how many times I go. I wonder if it’s different for players who are behind by a seasonal quest or two.

[wheat cypress]

Ive just been so upset that one of the most Lore heavy seasons I've been soooooo busy I'll never forgive myself if I can't finish this season with pictures and a full page of notes

I have however just had my mind blown with the quest I just did because I've learned first hand that the eye is hollow on the inside, that krills have littol eyes, and that the Light that krills project in that lil nose isn't a physical orb like I thought

So much info

[south oracle]

Devs decided on a lore dump season

[wheat cypress]

No kidding

[frigid tinsel]

can you believe some blokes have been saying this season is absent of lore?

[compact shale]

The lore's just harder to find than usual

and a bit less in-game than usual

[frigid tinsel]

I mean a lot is actually in game

[distant turtle]

I thought that about Season of Prophecy at the time. I wasn’t aware of any of the lore so I thought the kid was just another sky kid.

[violet sundial]

I can tbh?? It. Is kind of unhelpful w/o the poems (which aren’t in game and probably gave a lot of beta players that impression since they were never shown during testing) and it more confirms things than revealing things

It wasn’t terrible but to be fair 99% of the lore of shattering is so vague that no one’s gonna get it ykyk

Like only 2/6 of the memories actually make any sense without the poems

[compact shale]

if one is the last memory what's the other one

[violet sundial]

I think it would. Be the krill one i guess since it implies the corruption comes from the diamond but i think we already had that figured out before

[compact shale]

I mean

I guess confirmation is nice

[frigid tinsel]

confirming = lore
all of Sky lore is vague as hell, that’s just what TGC is rolling with and what we have to deal with, as frustrating as it can be

[sharp lichen]

This season has as much lore as Prophecy I think

[frigid tinsel]

I’d also say it’s revealed a lot, even if what exactly that is is up to speculation

[violet sundial]

I personally dislike the vagueness aspect because i think it drives a Lot of people away from anything canon lore related and its why ppl who like it are so rare

Also I think though prophecy revealed new stuff altogether about the prince/king

Shattering just Confirms stuff that had already been inferred by what we had available to us

So I don’t really think they’re on the same scale if that makes any sense?

[frigid tinsel]

just because Shattering doesn’t hand you an essay detailing what happened doesn’t mean it’s bad. it’s vague but it makes you have to think about it.

I like the thinking, the speculation, the confirming of what had been suspected, the introduction of new things to muse over like the Elders. it’d be boring if things were handed to us and there wasn’t any room to ponder.

[violet sundial]

Once again I think vagueness is the difference between like… why games like Hollow Knight’s lore is. A lot less obscure. And I guess it’s a product of not having dialogue in Sky but still

[snow cosmos]

i think also like... we've known stuff about life before the calamity, and life after it, but this is a close-up snapshot of that moment that we haven't seen before

[south oracle]

I like that the lore is so vague, it gives lots of room for interpretation and headcannons that I find really freeing in sky that's harder to find in other games/fandoms, as well as giving art and writing many more freedoms

[violet sundial]

That’s true

Honestly i’m probably just gonna have to agree to disagree on this because shattering was Really Disappointing in every aspect and gave me really bad burnout coupled with TS RNG💀

[cobalt palm]

It's both open ended and can be interpreted in many different ways, e.g. The realms being a progression of ancestor society, stages of life, times of day, and weather events, plus a whole host of others that you can lay on top of those base premises around emotional response

[compact shale]

I mean, the stages of life and times of day are pretty much canon based on concept art

or at least canon in concept

[violet sundial]

Shattering has Lore but it’s poorly delivered because i really don’t think its either “leave literally everything to be analyzed by the 0.05% of fans” or “infodump until there’s nothing left to talk about” and that there Is a better balance between those two

Or so I think

[cobalt palm]

Shattering upfront can be a hint of the fall of the kingdoms, a way to show skykids in a position of hope, show how darkness spreads, then on layered levels, traumatic life events that we experience, they can pretty much happen at any stage of life and range in severity.
On top of that you have hope against despair, charity and community with others making those struggles easier .

[cobalt palm]

Exactly, those were the ones planned, but we also bring into that our own experiences at those life stages too, some people love the rain, some people hated their teenage years, while others loved it.
The stories get a lot more interesting when you put yourself into them, either intentionally or unintentionally

[crimson shore]

I'm not sure how this season relates to the fall of the kingdoms. Or how it would show skykids in a position of hope, or explain how darkness spreads without the poems.

There's a lot left to the imagination so I can kind of see how you could get there. But I don't think the season really presents that stuff. (or at least not very clearly)

[frigid tinsel]

This is sorta my problem with the reliance on concept art — it’s concept. it at best shows the thought processes and ideas behind developing the game, but concepts can and often do differ from what actually makes it into the game. Yet many, including myself, tend to turn toward it because it is more defined compared to what we have in game.

That is not to say there is no lore in game — there definitely is, but it’s intentionally vague so players can speculate. I wish we had more pieces to work with, but Shattering provided so much more for us to work with than what we had before. Also, I’m finding the confirmation of things we’ve speculated about before very gratifying, seeing that we were right. Again, confirmation is lore because it canonizes what had just before been theories.

I think you’re severely underestimating the percentage of the playerbase who is interested in and does ponder over Sky lore.

[violet sundial]

It’s a snapshot of the moment that initiated the collapse i guess…?

[cobalt palm]

I agree it is not presented up front, but that is the way a lot of the story is presented, either through memories, cave murals, environmental details, or game mechanics (switches, bells, lights, creatures)

[compact shale]

Yes, the concept art is the thought processes, and we use it to help us think of the game more like TGC does, because that way we might find the answer.

[frigid tinsel]

Again, just because TGC isn’t handing you a bunch of text exactly laying out the lore doesn’t mean there’s no lore. They give us the pieces and we have to put the puzzle together and fill in the gaps. That’s what proper game theory is

[crimson shore]

Can you explain how you got to those? I'm not saying they aren't there, but I don't see anything that would indicate those things.

[frigid tinsel]

You can find all that stuff in game

[cobalt palm]

Personally, it shows the downfall of the kingdom in what the shards are, a creation of the elders, possibly in their naivete, or in their need for power.

[crimson shore]

OH. That did not occur to me but I can see that now.

[compact shale]

I think sometimes what frustrates me about the Sky lore is feeling like you've come so far in answering a question only to be unable to find the one true answer

[cobalt palm]

Sure, though they aren't all shattering related, prophecy cave is a good start. Then you have the light quests of Enchantment.
You have the switches ingame that are power diamonds lacking power, so we use our light to power them. As the elders did not have their own light they must have gained it from elsewhere

[crimson shore]

Ok this makes sense. I thought you were saying Season of Shattering specifically presented all this stuff. The game as a whole? I totally buy it now.

[frigid tinsel]

Shattering presents lore in a different way: the frozen memories

[violet sundial]

I’m not trying to say there’s No lore though

I think in terms of the puzzle metaphor it’s more that we’re getting less jigsaw pieces to work with and the ends of the pieces are blurred (irl??? Somehow????) so you have to look really close to see what type of end it is

[cobalt palm]

I have a feeling that there is no "one true answer" so being in that Canon vs non Canon mindset is a bit of a backstep.
Certainly there are wrong leaps of assumptions, such as the boats could not fly, but while there may be degrees of wrong, there are also degrees of right, saying that dreams focused on a skater looking to perform in the coloseum is only a partial truth and loses the emotional journey, as with a lot of things, it's not always about the destination

[compact shale]

I mean, there has to be though

What is TGC basing the gameon? The "one true answer" is the story that TGC knows, and maybe they hide it to some degree, but there's always a base

[frigid tinsel]

Could TGC give us more pieces so we can lay out a more sure foundation? Yes, but to dismiss the pieces we have just is a poor move.

[cobalt palm]

Oh sorry, no giving examples as through the whole game, I don't think you can really isolate any season from the whole, they have self contained arcs, but by only looking at those arcs you miss the bigger spirals and themes

[frigid tinsel]

Shattering also brought the new Eden mural

[rigid mural]

EDEN MURAL 💙💙💙

[crimson shore]

I don't think Luka is dismissing the pieces we have, but rather saying that these pieces are very difficult to understand and work with.

[cobalt palm]

Don't forget, there are multiple designers, and developers, and artists all putting their work into the mix, they may all be singing off of the same sheet, but each brings their own texture and detail into the mix (not from TGC experience directly, but more from experience of how creative teams work)

[cobalt palm]

I guess technically, the Aurora mural was first shown in shattering too

[violet sundial]

I think that’s the reason people dismiss it as “nonexistent” in the first place

And i think the community would have more people who feel like they can get into the lore if it was presented in a more… accessible(?) or easy to understand format?

[crimson shore]

They may also have decided to get very clear on the "vibes" they are pulling from, and maybe a few established facts, but deliberately left the rest undefined.

[frigid tinsel]

Wow you have to think, that must be so hard

[cobalt palm]

Before shattering the mural in Harmony Hall was an empty stage.

[compact shale]

"Deliberately"?

[cobalt palm]

There are unfortunately a lot of games out there which are trying desperately to just be a film. Sky is very much going against that.

[violet sundial]

💀
There’s a. Middle ground. making the lore easier to grasp =/= making understanding it completely brainless

[cobalt palm]

Games have a medium and language of their own, as much as a book is different to a play, or a play is different to a movie, games have their own ability to craft unique stories

[crimson shore]

Wow Alasdair, way to be really rude. Not cool.

I was just about to type up that abstract thinking can be inaccessible to younger users or a host of people with different kinds of neurodivergence.

For myself, I have long covid which affects my processing ability.

There's no reason to be rude just because someone else's brain doesn't work the way yours does.

[frigid tinsel]

Hi, I also have long covid and severe brain fog

[crimson shore]

Our brains can still work differently.

[violet sundial]

And i also think some people who want to find Cool lore just don’t want to deal with the sheer amt of analysis/guessing that sky lore more or less requires currently

N i don’t think that’s a bad thing?? Not everyone wants to do that to the extent you and i do

[cobalt palm]

But that can also be an advantage, how do the shards and memories in shattering make you feel, outside of trying to piece it together with everything else?
Personally I like the challenge and then joy of collecting flying fragments, and then mystery of the memories frozen in place.

[violet sundial]

I don’t think it’s fair or kind to attribute “lazy” or the word “bloke” to someone because they don’t want to sift through countless pieces of concept art just to get a decent understanding of the lore

[cobalt palm]

It is because of that mystery I try to piece it together with other things, no matter how tenuous at times.
My brain wants to "figure it out" and sometimes that means trying different ideas on for size, many of which don't really fit, or "feel" right

[fickle wing]

there’s like
this mark things gotta hit when it comes 2 trying 2 present lore in like
a makes u think sorta way
it can’t be too vague or inaccessible to folks but at the same time can’t just be handed out on a platter w the whole thing presented there n then

n like listen i love sky n the whole mystery behind its story but like i dunno man it’s ?????
not too sure how to word it exactly but ive had a bonkers amount of convos w folks in discords that are surprised to know there’s a bigger story behind sky than just being oh travel through these places n go to eden
also the shattering poems
while they’re rlly funky it bugs me a bit you don’t rlly see a mention of em ingame meaning if someone who doesn’t have any like
social media n stuff wants to know more abt what’s going on then like
yeah

[frigid tinsel]

You do not need to have big brains to comprehend Sky lore. You just need to look at what we got and be willing to understand that TGC ain’t gonna hand us the full picture on a silver platter, that you can muse and piece things together however you feel best fits. That’s the point. The lore is open to interpretation, so interpret. Apply your stories and headcanons to the game. As Maestrom has been saying, see how the game in certain events make you feel, meditate on those emotions, guess what TGC is trying to tell you. It can be abstract and frustrating at times, but it is still there for you to look at.

Would I like things to be more explicit in-game, be clearer? Of course! I wish the poems were in-game. I wish we didn’t have root through social media for crumbs. But you gain nothing by complaining that what you have is not enough and not trying. Have you seen the latest livestreams? They’re talking about how lore has become more important to them recently. I would say that every season had at least some lore to speculate over. You don’t even have to look at concept art — again, it’s concept, not necessarily canon.

[violet sundial]

You kind of Do have to look at concept art idk what u mean

[compact shale]

Right now I think of Sky lore as a mystery game

All mysteries will end with the one complete truth, which is what I seek to find in Sky

In my personal view, if there isn't the one true view that TGC meant for us to find as the satisfying end, what was the point?

[fickle wing]

god i wish games would work a smidge more on showing stuff ingame instead of social media or things outside of the actual game n stuff cause like
how much would we get figured out if we didn’t have the concepts or poems or whatever n only had the game to go off of i wonder like ????#

[crimson shore]

You don't need to have big brains to comprehend Sky lore, but you do have to spend a lot of time accessing out of game content and ruminating on it in a particular way.

It doesn't take a big brain to be kind either.

[cobalt palm]

Putting a bit of another spin on the poems, they are created by the community team, they aren't coming from the "developers or designers", though developer is such a broad term it could include the community team, but hopefully you get my meaning, they probably see the same designs and docs, but I doubt any one person in TGC could even tell you "the truth"
(maybe jenova )

[compact shale]

TGC has their own lore bible

so there IS a truth, it just needs to be deduced

[cobalt palm]

I think the point is to reflect on the game, how it makes you feel, how it connects you with others in a fairly unique way to gaming generally. How the messages of gratitude, generosity, community, can make the world a more positive place.

[rigid mural]

Actually I think Shattering is an excellent lore season if you look at the other content we got outside the game. I concede and agree it can be frustrating because you gotta look everywhere for crumbs but a season where you're handed the world's story without you needing to chew it a bit just doesn't sound in-character of the game.

[cobalt palm]

I would bet it is a more disappointing read than the wild discussions and theories we come up with

[compact shale]

That's true, though that part of the game I wouldn't call lore.

As for the lore bible, I don't think it would be released until Sky ends. But I don't think it would be disappointing for those who turned out to be right.

[cobalt palm]

Not saying tgc are bad writers, far from it, I'm saying they can inspire millions to write their own stories from experiences
Just looking at thatskystory.com shows us that

[violet sundial]

I kinda get that? It feels more like chewing a Lot though And i think it would be an improvement to have it be a tad more straightforward without just being Boring/Awkward exposition

[gleaming fog]

I come bearing LORE!

Has anyone noticed the diamond symbol throughout the game? It looks like the first picture and seems to be a warning label saying “blu diamond is here”.

It’s interesting because we also see this on the face masks of all elders (and their shrines), as well as on our capes.

But it gets cooler. In the wasteland they seem to use it as a symbol for each side of the fight with the round shields representing one side and the diamond bois being the guys we know and love (according to the vault).

Things get weird though because the wasteland elder is shown using one of the circle shields despite his vault thing showing otherwise. It gets even cooler because we see the king seemingly consuming the circle symbol which makes me wonder, what exactly happened?

Did the wasteland elder defend against revolutionaries and then later join them? Is the wasteland elder we know even the original defender at all? Or did he usurp the original and convince the others to help him with the crystal?

[snow cosmos]

personally i think i'd be... not less in love with the game, but maybe less engaged with it? if the lore was just handed to us directly. getting to think and speculate and wonder about it is part of what keeps bringing me back

[eager eagle]

Hi lore chat !

It's interesting to see how everyone go for the lore ! didn't know concept art was a lot of help for the lore

[rigid mural]

I think TGC is aiming for stuff that will evoke feelings in most; a battlefield evokes melancholy but TGC wants each one of us to translate that into lore our own way because we each feel a bit differently about a battlefield.

[cobalt palm]

I believe that diamond is present in one of the Enchantment light symbols too

[rigid mural]

Like I look at a battlefield and mourn losses and think it's about the civilization living through horrors, while another might feel it's to show how deep the civilization fell and how wrong ancestors were

[violet sundial]

I think i would have more fun with my headcanon stuff which keeps me invested if i had less work needed to have a hodgepodge-ish understanding the canon stuff (and in this Alternate/Future timeline have a clearer understanding of it)

[frigid tinsel]

You don’t, actually. I’m 100% serious, you do not have to spent a lot of time outside the game looking at stuff. I do because Sky is my special interested and I’ve been obsessed. Yes, there are pieces outside of the game, but I’m completely serious that you do not have to look for and agonize over all that. TGC said they wanted to tell Sky’s story with as few words are possible. The point of textless storytelling is that the viewer sees what is available and figures things out. It makes you think.

I like that Sky makes us think. I don’t like that we haven’t been given a solid foundation, but there is stuff to work with.

Frankly, I am exhausted hearing that Shattering was “bad” because TGC didn’t give a bloody text wall. I am tired of the people who fill in every communication avenue not to discuss and theorize, but to complain. They are unwilling to actually think for themselves and wonder.

Shattering has so much lore, yall. I would actually like to talk about it rather than do this song and dance again.

[keen shore]

Hey psst, I totally get the lack of processing ability being hard to deal with, I also deal with tons of brain fog as well which can affect my ability to have complex thoughts on really bad days. Sky lore is actually something I keep coming back to bc due to it being a special interest my brain latches onto it especially easily.

That being said, Sky does heavily rely on visual storytelling. This is great for a game without words, but it can be vague as you have mentioned. Personally I like this! I like figuring out the different truths in the story, I like figuring out the possibilities, I like running with it to make my own headcanons & stories. I can get that it’s hard to get used to from a standpoint of expecting everything to have one singular truth that’s awfully told, but I genuinely like the process of finding out what that truth is & having my own take on it. My brain gets abstract concepts easily so I think that’s part of it. I have to say, although I’d always love more info, I get the feeling I would not have had nearly as much fun as it was all told to me directly in an infodump — which, not talking about anyone here specifically, but sometimes the fanbase at large seems like that’s what it wants, and it can be kinda frustrating for us to deal with constantly.

If you need anything explained to you, I am happy to help! I’m not great at it, but I can definitely try. I get the sheer amount of effort required to remember all this stuff & categorize it and how intimidating it would be, because a lot of theories here rely on piecing together stuff from all around the game. I personally managed to get into it by lurking here a lot, exploring the game for details I thought were interesting, & then asking about them.

This kinda turned rambly because I don’t have a lot of energy to make a perfectly worded essay rn but I hope this helps

[gleaming fog]

I must find it in enchantment!

Also, I think the vault elder was making a prototype skykid cape, look at the symbols on his chest thing!

[violet sundial]

All the elders have that pattern i think actually

[misty warren]

does anyone know what happened after we do eden, like everything is falling apart are we in a dream or is everything really falling apart?

[gleaming fog]

Wait are we charging the elder’s capes each time we activate them?

[cobalt palm]

It was purple btw

[violet sundial]

The 6 pokemon types of Sky

[compact shale]

The problem for me, though, is that it's now confirmed that TGC has the truth, in the lore bible. And now that it's confirmed to exist I can't let go of the fact that there is the truth. It won't be given to us directly, true, but it's there to deduce towards.

[crimson shore]

It makes sense that some people come to #lore-discussion-spoilers wanting to find The Right Answer (tm) because they value that. And it makes sense that a lot of the people who frequent the lore channel are very happy with the way the game does lore.

So it kinda makes sense that people would be disagreeing with each other over this divide. Of vague vs concrete lore.

[gleaming fog]

Purple is vault 😄 my theory stands

I think I’ve seen some of the other symbols too, in the isle area?

[frigid tinsel]

Btw bloke simply means person. it’s not a bad word.

[gleaming fog]

Robot simply means artificial construct. There’s no negative connotations

(Point being to explain how different interpretations can mean different things)

[untold notch]

no there are maybe not to you but there are

[rigid mural]

Anyway Vela out, I just think the emotional roller-coasters are often overlooked when dissecting that videogame, the beauty of Sky is that it's vague so each of us sees something meaningful to ourselves.

When I went through Eden for the first time I felt it was about letting go of the material things to embrace what truly counts: our loved ones; but someone else might think this is about giving it all up to save as many as you can and how beautiful it is to be helped in turn.

Both interpretations are interesting and valid, and it's probably this kind of diversity TGC is looking for by staying vague. If we knew exactly what was going on during that abstract scene, it would lose its magic as some interpretations would become erroneous due to us misunderstanding what was "truly going on".

[violet sundial]

I think that’s what they were trying to get at

[cobalt palm]

This is reminding me of that article that makes everyone cry

[violet sundial]

Thank you for clarifying that 👍👍👍

[frigid tinsel]

I could say dolt if you would prefer something more upfront

[rigid mural]

Btw, before I go, I think the shattering poems are pretty in your face if you link them to the geographer books in the Starlight Desert, they seem to show snippets of what happened during the explosion.

[compact shale]

Season of Shattering in a nutshell:

[gleaming fog]

AFAIK we die, but our spirit is pulled into the crystal, there an entity (potentially using their control over the crystal) gives us invulnerability, similar to the end of the isle trials and we ascend to space with those that we’ve saved.

Once saved, we arrive at a nexus called the skybird where the entities we’ve saved are sent into the stars. What remains turns into ascended candles and we’re allowed to do it again with gifts from those we’ve helped before being reborn.

Aside from that, we get into head cannon territory, so it’s hard to say much more

[gleaming fog]

I know you’re going, but do you know where to find the enchantment poems?

[keen shore]

I think this is where the misunderstanding stems from, one side wants the middle ground & the other has misinterpreted it as them wanting everything basically infodumped on them. Which is a fair misinterpretation due to the sheer onslaught of people with that exact complaint that started popping up around shattering, especially when it hadn’t fully come out yet. Correct me if I’m wrong, any of you, this just doesn’t seem worth exchanging insults & starting arguments over

[violet sundial]

Yeah i. Don’t want to fight about this or anything along those lines

[cobalt palm]

If you mean shattering poems, here
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

Or do you mean the clues given on the Enchantment quests?

[keen shore]

But in general, there is a lot of lore in the game already. It requires a lot of looking for, so for those who struggle with brain fog, spoons, etc. I totally get the confusion. My personal knowledge database is just cause I’ve been playing for a long time and so it’s kinda ingrained in me. This is why I always slap evidence for things in whenever I talk abt my theories so people know thst that piece of evidence is a thing & can see it for themselves; others do this as well.

Murals are also a great source of pretty in your face lore! I’ve collected a masterlist for them if anyone here is interested. It might help.

[gleaming fog]

Ty, but apparently there were poems released for enchantment as well, all symbols are accounted for except the green one, plus I know nothing about that season since I joined after it ran haha

[keen shore]

Hey, just so you know, it’s a horrible idea to compare a word which — in its current context within this channel — is used to perpetuate ableist ideas to a word that means person. If you’re confused about the reason skykids being robots is disliked, I would be happy to explain it to you, although since you referenced it, I have a feeling you already know.

[violet sundial]

I def think not having the poems and not knowing they will exist during the public beta testing phase ended up causing people to form really negative expectations for the season

Obviously nothing is final during beta but I don’t think Anyone saw that coming even after shattering came to live for the first few days

[copper saffron]

Time to go raid tgc for the holy lore bible /j

[cobalt palm]

There are these ones, which were the ingame clues to the place the coloured lights could be found
#seasons-events-chat message

[compact shale]

that was an old joke, but I wouldn't mind reviving it.

[frigid tinsel]

Tbh I think people take beta way too seriously. It’s stuff in the testing phase where they iron out bugs and figure stuff out. Little is gonna be good in beta and that’s the point.

[violet sundial]

True true

[cobalt palm]

Some of the shard events in beta were brutal, but that's a discussion for a different channel

[crimson shore]

Signing off, take care all!

[gleaming fog]

Edited it for clarity, but the idea was to draw parallels between “bloke” appearing to be neutral for one person and negative for another.

As for robot, I genuinely don’t understand the negative connotations, first, this is a game where everyone wears masks, learns to express emotions, and does the same thing habitually over and over (candle runs). Everyone being neurodivergent here (self included) is kind of the expectation lol.

When it comes to robots themselves, each child is an avatar to real people. Calling the children bots doesn’t make the people behind the screen any less human.

At the same time, robots are better than us. They can create master class art in seconds, manage and run entire worlds and make decisions better than any human can. And they’re only getting better. To say it’s ableist to call a human a robot is like calling a two-year-old a chess-grandmaster and saying “you’re insulting the child’s intelligence”

That’s how I see it anyway. I’m here for the lore, not to pick fights.

[compact shale]

I don't think this discussion is for the good of lorechat anymore.

[copper saffron]

The moment something like this happens imma just head out

[fickle wing]

you ever just see someone miss a point so bad cause wow

[keen shore]

Okay so! The reason calling skykids robots perpetuates ableist ideas has to deal with the way they express emotions. Before learning expressions from a spirit, the ‘idea’ goes that skykids do not experience emotions at all. So why is this bad?

Flat affect, expressing emotions differently, &/or not showing them at all is common in many neurodiversities — from autism, which is most talked about in this channel, to schizophrenia. Therefore, the way skykids don’t express emotions in an ‘expected’ human way directly lines up with the fact that some humans do not as well. This means that to say they do not experience emotions also implies that those humans do not, which is an ableist stereotype used to dehumanize & degrade the people in question, often to justify their mistreatment.

[frigid tinsel]

Wearing masks ≠ robot
Learning expressions ≠ robot
Following the same routine ≠ robot.

The fact that 2/3 of those things are things that neurodivergent people often do, that I as a neurodivergent person often does, yet have been called robot for in a dehumanizing way means it is ableist to look at characters who resemble those neurodivergent traits that actually humans have means it is offensive to the humans who have those traits.

I can’t believe you are missing the damn point this hard.

[rigid mural]

Imagine calling AI-generated pictures art. Bestie, the AIs are gluing together art put in their database, often without the consent of the original artist.

[fickle wing]

don’t watermarks show up in that ai generated junk sometimes like 💀

[keen shore]

It’s not about complimenting those people’s intelligence, it’s about treating them as human in the first place.

[violet sundial]

Specifically on that note,

You would be surprised by the extent of that kind of stuff. Some guy literally entered a normal art fair and WON 1st place with an ai-generated piece (which he didn’t even make)

[keen shore]

Saying that because someone does not express or experience emotions in the same way you do, they must not experience them at all, often leads to a slippery slope of justifying their mistreatment because it diminishes the pain they feel as a result of it.

[violet sundial]

At best it demonstrates he knows what makes a piece works but there’s something frustrating about the notion that everyone else who had to apply actual artistic technique and come up with the piece themselves ended up losing to a dude who didn’t even make his own entry. I’ll see if I can find the article on this brb

[gleaming fog]

No sarcasm, thanks for the real reply, I do think it’s the right word given that a sufficiently advanced machine can perfectly hold a human-level consciousness, including emotion, but i do see that there’s a trigger between robot and mistreatment

[eager eagle]

Robot are better than us ? It was a competition all along ?
Also Skykid are alive creature, we have a soul, treating them like they have nothing is not a good option

[gleaming fog]

Soul can’t be housed in artificial body?

[frigid tinsel]

So do you understand how applying the word “robot” to skykids in rooted in and undergirds ableism?

[cobalt palm]

Unfortunately that's one if the problems if the turing test, just because a human can't distinguish, doesn't mean the ai is sentient

[keen shore]

Golem might be the word you’re looking for, as the direct usage of the word robot specifically is used in these contexts the most — not to convey a very advanced machine, but to convey the concept of someone cold and unfeeling. Given that the reasons people justify the usage of this word in this channel’s context are ones that mirror common neurodivergent traits, like Alasdair mentioned above, it’s no wonder that it connects heavily to ableism as a whole & stinks of it to the neurodivergent people of this channel.

[crimson shore]

Salem I just wanna say you are on fire tonight with the positive, high quality posts!

[keen shore]

Thank you! It’s a hobby of mine.

[cobalt palm]

Salems posts are so good it brought lindentree back

[eager eagle]

Yes robot can have soul in games or movies, but do you feel ok to use them like all machine ? They have a soul , nearly every video games or movies was about how the machine "feel" and how people are evil with it

[crimson shore]

(sorry, i meant to sign off i swear... But y'all were interesting)

[rigid mural]

It spreads

[frigid tinsel]

Vela is Patient zero again?

[cobalt palm]

🧟

[rigid mural]

I am a beast of many illnesses, watch out.

[cobalt palm]

Mischief is coming soon I guess...
Take care Vela

[fleet sonnet]

Hello

[copper saffron]

Why is crab Whisperer always like this lmao

[gleaming fog]

Golem for me implies servitude, which feels a bit off.

How does “artificial body” sound?

[snow cosmos]

how about homunculus?

[violet sundial]

They’re crab whisperer

[compact shale]

Because crabs are associated with chaos and that association is projected onto spirits with heavy connections to crabs, too. :D

[frigid tinsel]

Vela is possessed by Crab Whisperer on occasion

[rigid mural]

BARKING SNARLING IM GOING TO GET YOU /j /lh

[cobalt palm]

That line does make me wonder, if we leave our bodies in Eden, where do we get a new one from in orbit after we turn back from being shiny

[keen shore]

Actually good point about golem implying servitude, I think most people mean it in the context of “person from clay” but I hadn’t thought about it that way before. Artificial body is the best, as I believe what we’re trying to convey in the first place is that physically they are not like humans, instead of emotionally/mentally. It’s hard to find the correct word for it as words of this variety often imply emotional/mental differences as well, which is the ableist bit

[gleaming fog]

I like that but again, a homunculus is a servant to its master, feels close though since they’re partially built (physically) of the original

[violet sundial]

Scooby doo episode and vela gets unmasked at the end to reveal that they are actually crab whisperer irl

[compact shale]

I wouldn't be surprised if CW's hair was actually a wig glued to their hat and they're actually bald

@cobalt palm Not that there's much evidence but I have two ideas

1. Megabird gives it to us
2. The impact of us falling down creates one for us

[copper saffron]

Crab whisperer real???

[cobalt palm]

Days of Bloom crab whisperer was too real

[frigid tinsel]

Notice that asteroid belt around the Light? Perhaps that’s where the material for skykid bodies came from.

Another idea is that they form spontaneously upon landing and magic weaves their bodies from the material of the ground they landed on t

[untold notch]

it could be argued that skykids are serving the will of megabird in their light shenanigans

[copper saffron]

Skykids could be seen as a servant of the Light,

[south oracle]

We just headbutt the sand so hard it becomes clay

[cobalt palm]

There is certainly a "call to action" in the intro / Dawn mural cave

[keen shore]

YOURE SO RIGHT AND THEY HATE YOU FOR TELLING THE TRUTH

[frigid tinsel]

Saving for later

[copper saffron]

HOW DID U MAKE THE MEME SO QUICKLY

[compact shale]

Yeah something like that

I would like to draw a diagram but I can't rn

[gleaming fog]

Go on👁👁

Like I actually want to hear this theory

[violet sundial]

I should have a dedicated folder to memes about Vela being CW

Which we have two of atm i think unless I wasn’t there for another one

[untold notch]

nah that's the entire thought sorry ❤️‍🩹

[copper saffron]

I have uh... one in regards to skykids and the light

[untold notch]

if y'all want to take it and do things have fun I will not

[snow cosmos]

i personally like homunculus for exactly this reason
they're fully realized individuals created for a purpose

[fickle wing]

god i keep misreading homunculus as homestuck and it’s killing me slowly

[cobalt palm]

How about a new species?
Homo luxus (I'm not good with Latin)

[keen shore]

i keep imaginig the guys from fma

[gleaming fog]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/381598967768809474/899028055631212564/ezgif-7-28ad6e57a1c6.gif

[untold notch]

I wish I knew enough about Homestuck to make an additional joke here

[frigid tinsel]

Well as per the Isle intro mural, skykids purpose is to “ascend the spirits to the stars.” They were made with purpose, one explicitly laid to us other another implied — to defend the light from darkness.

Granted, considering the behavior of players, skykids do not have to and often deviate from this mission. They hang out, chill, play with their friends, and given some headcanons can even be corrupted and serve darkness instead. They serve the Light, sure, but they have free will.

[violet sundial]

Reminder

[fickle wing]

images that jumped into a deep fryer whataburger rat style

[keen shore]

the closest human parallel to i could draw it to off the top of my head are like, humans serving whatever god they worship as part of their religion. They still have free will to do it if they want to & in whatever way they choose, even if the basis of some of the beliefs in question is that they were created for it.

[cobalt palm]

Apparently children of the light in Latin is "Filii lucis" according to Google, so I'm going with that

[gleaming fog]

I think someone else (possibly you lol) mentioned the light symbol that guides us might be how we see this stuff in game, very possible that the megabird is like a relaxed parent

[copper saffron]

Idk but i have a similar kinda theory
Megabird, or the Light or whatever, sent down the skykids to bring their Light back to the kingdom, cleanse Eden. Their inner light guides them to their goal.
Of course, they can choose to do whatever they want lol

[cobalt palm]

[violet sundial]

HELLPPPPPPP💀💀

[raw crypt]

a little late but feels relevant

[frigid tinsel]

Personally I think of Megabird as not omnipotent nor omniscient, incapable of directly influencing the world so They send stars to do Their bidding. Yet because we have free will, it seems that even Megabird wants us to grow and find purpose on our own even with our stated mission.

[violet sundial]

Crab whisperer shall join botanist in the Emo Hart Brocken corner

[untold notch]

?????????

[keen shore]

Filii means “son” ! lux liberi would be more accurate from my admittedly limited memory! [lux as nominative instead of possessive [genitive], although, you could make a very reasonable argument here for it being plural.]
If anyone else notices I’m doing this wrong lmk.

[snow cosmos]

brain is fried but i think this checks out

[untold notch]

birdlem crashing through the wall like the Kool aid man to also know Latin at chat

[keen shore]

knowing Latin and having hashimotos… the Salem destiny

[snow cosmos]

valley eldered at birth

[gleaming fog]

Kind of makes me think of a different guy who said that the bird was less one entity, and more every entity at the same time, maybe we have free will because we are in a way each parts of the bird both direct ourselves towards the final area and create the force that makes that direction

[frigid tinsel]

Oh my gosh I’m that guy

[keen shore]

That was also Aladdair and sometimes Vela I believe

[snow cosmos]

alasdair 🤝 alasdair
Megabird collectivist hivemind theory

[frigid tinsel]

The fact that my personas keep splitting in two feels relevant

[cobalt palm]

I'll just say, I'm not good with languages

[keen shore]

No that’s completely fine! Google translate is awful with Latin anyways, it’s hard for it to grasp on to different cases & genders. [lol, thst second part, me too]

[compact shale]

No it's

Alasdair 🤝 Aladdair

[frigid tinsel]

My favorite misspelling of my name was Alessandro

[untold notch]

declenses you

[keen shore]

coming after you with my hammer

[snow cosmos]

omg just like Rain

[keen shore]

I’m going to cry I was like… I could say knife but my message is gonna get beaned? Maybe no one will notice. 3 seconds later

[compact shale]

A random question

||How would Megabird react if a skykid soul somehow had its composition changed and it managed to reach Orbit?||

[frigid tinsel]

Oh Fruitzie, you haven’t heard of my Maslon plotline

[copper saffron]

Dw hammer is better

[snow cosmos]

it's okay we know you're a Rain kinnie /j /lh

[violet sundial]

Eat them

[keen shore]

they don’t even know of the soup…

[compact shale]

Your what now?

I'm asking because I never actually figured out how Megabird should react to some of my characters

come on tell me

[untold notch]

the soup??? please elaborate

[copper saffron]

Soop?

[raw crypt]

THE SOUP

[tepid veldt]

soup seems fun

[violet sundial]

Soup

[keen shore]

i turned two of alasdairs ocs into soul soup that’s who ze’s talking about

[violet sundial]

Im tired and ive been procrastinating all my homework so. Uh. Byebye disintegrates from hw stress

[compact shale]

So

soulp?

[untold notch]

soul soup.... mdoes it taste good

[tepid veldt]

what is the lore of soulp

[frigid tinsel]

Also Tearful Light Miner is soup.
Brb getting Google Docs

[keen shore]

The soup = when one character absorbs another’s light [which contains their soul, personality, and memories]. the resultant is The Soup

[untold notch]

ah... the Zoup

[tepid veldt]

yum

[keen shore]

there is also a scenario in which a character takes another’s light within themselves but does not absorb it and just kinda shelters it, this is referred to as a Salad and laidback pioneer has done this

[untold notch]

I need to think of more food metaphors I am obsessed with this

[copper saffron]

As for the origin of the skykids, i have a headcanon based on the anime teaser and some concept arts that skykids are reincarnated ancestor children who were blessed with the Light.
The kids we see in the anime teaser look strikingly like skykids, but we can assume all of them died following the collapse or whatever you want to call the fall of the kingdom.
Skykids in concept arts were referred to as descendants, but descendants of who?
What if they were the real descendants, the children of the ancestors, but were reborn in the Light? It brought them back now carrying its gift, sent forth into the world to try to save the kingdom. But they're reborn with no memories, like us at the beginning of the game, and they have to learn what happened to the world.

[keen shore]

so to recap
The Soups = tearful light miner [themselfes + whale whisperer & possibly the other spirits in their mrmory] & maslon [alasdairs oc maslon, who the soup of hikemasu & kiset]
The Salads = pioneer in hir fic as well

[cobalt palm]

Laidback salad sounds like a way of saying "we couldn't be bothered to chop the lettice, so here's a wedge"

[untold notch]

could salad also be a bread bowl

[white junco]

fruit salad bc all these spirits r 🏳️‍🌈

[real mortar]

I came to lurk but my brain understands nothing

[keen shore]

I like turning many things into Soups including but not limited to, characters, elder creatures, Megabird, elders themselves if I’m feeling brave, and krill. I think it is because I am partially an enchantment moth, it’s like an instinct.

[compact shale]

is ktjn your souping mentor

[tepid veldt]

with you on the braindead part it is very late here

[keen shore]

i don’t think so but it would have been a nice souprise!

[untold notch]

trapping you in a box by propping it up with a stick and putting soup inside

[keen shore]

you could have just done this by setting the box on the ground; I would’ve gotten into it myself!

[compact shale]

I am considering having a violence pit skykid at some point but instead of being turned into soup they turn into goop

[snow cosmos]

bold of you to assume you'd need to do anything more than set out an empty box and wait, the cat instincts take over

[untold notch]

I can't believe you've done this

[untold notch]

but then the box would be up not down

[tepid veldt]

flashbacks to when cat salem accidentally wrote prophet when we were talking about the prophets and resulted in many prophet jokes

[raw crypt]

just remembered the time when shattering was still all beta and i got pinged asking if one of my ocs was something with the soup, soup jumpscare

[white junco]

HELP I REMEMBER THAT
we determined they were not, in fact, dunked in the memory soup

[cobalt palm]

Step 1, find a cave
Step 2, draw murals
Step 3, ?????
Step 4, prophet

[keen shore]

A Full List of the Soups I have created:

• Maslon
• Pioneer
• Every elder creature
• every Enchantment spirit but the guide
• Megabird
• Every krill [they are manta soup]
• sometimes elders but I’m eh on this idea
• memory whisperer

In fact, due to the nature of Light, I like to imagine we are all nothing if not one massive, incandescent Soup!

[gleaming fog]

Megabird soup. I feel like that has all of the ingredients

[tepid veldt]

rrrrright here

[compact shale]

Megabird is the noodles and we are the soup

Sky is ramen or something idk

[copper saffron]

Sky lore is mashed potato, if the Light vs Darkness concept is the potato

[tepid veldt]

this implies that i eat megabird every week

rest in pieces alasdair’s beaned msg

[compact shale]

I forgot how this potato went

[snow cosmos]

space is the bowl
all the things that exist are the ingredients
Megabird is the resulting soup

[gleaming fog]

Ok that’s actually genius

[keen shore]

anyways I love talking about the maslon plotline bc I kinda caused it and also bc it’s super interesting and includes some of my favorite characters so eaglery waiting for explanation!

[untold notch]

but if the parts are different is it instead a salad

[tepid veldt]

gonna be honest i dont fully understand what soup is but im gonna roll with it

[copper saffron]

Ok so
The Light vs Darkness concept is very common, so lets make it an extremely versatile ingredient, the potato.
Sky lore is therefore mashed potato. It's substantial if we look at it as a whole, but when you start to go into details, you can't find anything concrete.

[compact shale]

What's the maslon plotline?

[keen shore]

soon you will see! he is typing

[real mortar]

all I know is you can have rolls with soup irl but idk if I grasp the concept of the soup of lore

[tepid veldt]

man i gotta miss the maslon plotline 😔
all in the name of sleep. goodnight

[frigid tinsel]

so I have these two skids, Hikemasu and Kiset. they did some experiments with but long story short drove each other mad and Hikemasu killed Kiset. but Kiset's soul was still flying around and Hikemasu had no idea where to put it to keep them from hurting people. so Hikemasu absorbed Kiset's light.

however light is very amorphous and likes to flow into each other. within vessels like bodies, a being of light can stay individual, but multiple souls within the a single body will touch each other, blurring the boundaries of individuals, and souls can even fuse into one.

Hikemasu & Kiset's souls didn't immediately fuse – tbh they're being kept separate out of sheer will, but they're not doing a good job of it.

H: everything I see, they see. Everything I hear, they hear. Everything I feel, they feel. Everything I know, they know. They’re listening to our conversation right now.
V: not that they got a choice, it sounds.
H: You think I have a choice either? I hear all their thoughts. I have all their memories – I have to remind myself that I haven’t experienced what they have. I feel their impulses and emotions, when they’re mad with me, when something catches their interest, when they want to sing.
V: so you’ve been singing.
H: sometimes their light overwhelms me. They talk to me, I argue with them, they try taking control of my body. Their thoughts run alongside mine. I can’t always control my appearance because they want to project their hair or clothes. It’s been so damn hard keeping their light separate from mine, to stay me, but our light is so fluid and keeps flowing into each other. Sometimes I can’t tell which is me and which is Kiset.
so this is Hikemasu in a salad state.

two years later, Hikemasu & Kiset gave up trying to be separate and allowed their souls to merge. this cancelled out their own individuality. the resultant fused soul became Maslon, who has all of H & K's experiences but is clearly their own person. Maslon is "the skykid" here.

[cobalt palm]

Oh no I just found the Google doc, is it too late for me to backout...

[fair knot]

Like those angels from Noahs ark movie?

[untold notch]

like those who from the what

[compact shale]

So Maslon is Hikemasoup and Kisoup?

Edit: Alasdair, did you by any chance inspire that from a Kikuo song?

[frigid tinsel]

nope, never heard of Kikuo. Salem had the idea about lights merging when thinking about Tearful Light Miner possibly absorbing the light and souls of their peers as they died, so I wondered what would happen if skykids' souls fused. I also needed to figure out what Hikemasu did to Kiset's soul after killing them and this is a better explanation than the friding I had had before.

btw you can read the chapter with Maslon's introduction here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HVvcq46XKkZi5UE0jA6lShgfNR-HFrB3m6Mwawl2X6M/edit?usp=sharing

[compact shale]

Just wondering, because Kikuo has quite a few songs about horrific soul-merging, though it's between a couple. fjdlfsghsgnng

[fair knot]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/756958801483006045/1021238897633665064/tumblr_pfuyjjqgIs1ua45zn_400.gif

[untold notch]

well this doesn't clarify much

[fair knot]

They turn into stones when they fall

[frigid tinsel]

most of the Maslon plotline is Maslon trying to figure out who they are as an individual, whether to distance themself from Hikemasu & Kiset or to form their own identity, all the while skykids who knew Kiset and Hikemasu badgering them. many skids call them Hikemasu since Maslon has Hikemasu's body and flame, but mentally Hikemasu is gone. Kiset is gone. their minds, their souls, fused together until neither of them was recognizable in the light soup that is now Maslon.

[compact shale]

hot dang

that's gonna be a lot to handle

[frigid tinsel]

Hikemasu was not okay. Maslon is hanging in there

[compact shale]

Alasdair, who's the least traumatized character in your ficverse?

[mystic vault]

How do moth's eat since there is like no mouths on them

[compact shale]

By absorption

but there's always the option to drop food into the eyes

[frigid tinsel]

the joke is that Aalsays is the least personally traumatized. they're a sweetheart. their friends and moths go to them for good vibes and comfort.

[compact shale]

How about least traumatized spirit?

[mystic vault]

Why food on their eyes XD lol

[compact shale]

Because it's an orifice, just like the mouth :D

[frigid tinsel]

likely the lack of mouths on skykid models are just a game thing that isn't true in-universe. even then, you'll see when they eat marshmallows or biscuits from the Days of Bloom teaset they aim for the area that would have a mouth and even chew, so presumably they have a mouth, we just don't see it in game. given skykids wear masks most of the time, devs prob didn't think it was worth putting mouths on their models.

[compact shale]

Random question

Do you think skykids have that slit on their mask so they can snap it off and eat?

[frigid tinsel]

I think that's how basic masks are made: two half circles jointed together. or that slit could fit glasses into the mask if someone were to need them

[mystic vault]

Alright (this will be complicated as Im using my character for a Roleplay which im trying to follow this Universes logics)

[frigid tinsel]

just consider them to have mouths

[compact shale]

What if the slit was like a coin bank slit and skykids needed to squish food to fit there to eat

[frigid tinsel]

since all their cosmetics are made of light and presumably skykids control their light projections, they prob make their masks intangible so they can slip food through to their mouths

[copper saffron]

Fruitzie please thats very cursed
But would make sense given that in drawings sometimes i see it as a mouth
So i see skykids like •-•

[compact shale]

I mean

Skykid coin banks could be cute

[frigid tinsel]

I think you should borrow Occam's razor

[compact shale]

Honestly if none of those eating methods work for you there's always this

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

ALASDAIR IT'S SPELLED WITH AN A

[mystic vault]

Like baymax

[copper saffron]

Yeah lmao

[copper saffron]

I like this one

[fair knot]

If their foods are made of light/energy they don't need a mouth ....
Light/Energy can travel through hard surfaces, like "teleport" to the other side instantly, Neil Degrasse Tyson explained it in a video but I cant find it

[frigid tinsel]

yes, they don't need to eat, don't need to chew and masticate with mouths, but they seem to be capable of doing so. therefore they must have mouths. they prob eat the traditional way just for fun or to mimic the ancestors.

what you're describing of is more akin to the mochi buns Granny serves. skykids put their flame to the mochi and it bursts into light they absorb through their flame hole. so they can do both.

[ivory warren]

Can someone take a moment to unpack the lore in the newest shattering quest..? Because, wow.

There's obviously some sort of hint towards Resh (eden elder) at the tip of the shattering shard.

Could this memory be implying how the elders have died due to the destructive forces in trying to overthrow Resh somehow?

I've taken a close look at some of the elders, and they indeed seem to be injured in some way. It could be an error on tgc's part, but the vault elder in particular seems to be shattering or disintegrating at the mask.

[fair knot]

What I described can be applied to their masks too .... If their masks are made of light, like you said before, their "real food" can travel through it without an opening. I was just explaining a concept

[keen shore]

thank you for appreciating the soup it’s my favorite plot line

[sharp lichen]

I believe so as well.

Here's another theory as well: I think the King's soul is in the Void of Shattering (Shattering Guide, the small red diamond.) We can see a tiny red diamond in the Shattering Guide, and it looks like the King is falling into the giant Eden Diamond. What if the Void of Shattering was the King's Soul deformed by the Eden diamond?

[frigid tinsel]

I don’t think this has to do with the king

It seems like the Elders gathered around the diamond cos it was glitching out/corrupting. They either tried to do something or did do something hoping to the stop the Eden diamond. Instead, it exploded and absorbed their light inside it.

Perhaps this frozen memory depicts the initial Eden calamity.

The krill frozen memory shows the Eden diamond glitching out too, but the Elder frozen memory is the one with a shockwave

[sharp lichen]

Then what about the inverted King symbol hovering above the Eden diamond and seemingly descending?

[frigid tinsel]

It may be reminiscent of the king symbol in concept art, but that doesn’t entail the meaning holds true to Live

[gleaming fog]

The vault’s version of the wasteland elder doesn’t match the real version that we see. The king also appears to be eating a circle, which could represent whatever the circle people (people with circle shield crest) were fighting for.

Tentative theory is that the original wasteland elder may have died and been replaced, or defected against the king. Alternatively the wasteland could’ve been a hunting ground and the original switched sides after the fight when he saw the crystal malfunction.

Or even crazier, the crystal was always red with the king inside, and the skykid that got lost (in the memory) had its energy harvested and used against the elders so it could be free.

Wild stuff

[hushed steeple]

LATE NITE THOUGHT ALERT

what if when Skykids cry, its not water-based like ours, but instead liquid light

[sharp lichen]

I mean, I'm not sure what else the devs implied it to be. After all, the devs said Shattering's lore is observation-based.

[simple flicker]

<< totally not working on an art of something similar in thought

[uncut pond]

Something tells me we're never gonna see the sixth shattering poem

[fair knot]

ohh ... The "king symbol" is upside down in the second image

[stable widget]

Why is everyone talking about soup?

Also one thing I noticed in the last memory ||that the winged light at the very top of the diamond depicts two hugging skykids (at lease that what I could tell) so it's implying the skykid we hug before we fly into orbit is the same person probably.||

[wheat cypress]

I haven't managed to read any of the poems, where can I find a list?

[wheat cypress]

May I ask what skykid that got lost

[hoary flare]

Weird little head cannon that's sad in a way

The reason that there is so many skykids is that the original skykids sent here failed to bring peace, and because of this, made skykids of their own, they also failed. So on and so forth more and more skykids were made, with the original mission forever lost. Now making skykids is something like two parents deciding to have a child instead of a successor to a great mission to bring peace to the world.

More and more generations pass and now there's hundreds of thousands of skykids that inhabit the kingdom of sky, eventually evolving according to their realm, forming governments, waging wars, etc.

[copper saffron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWUEYgbP8ic
does anyone know when this music plays? it's probably in eden somewhere but i cant quite put my finger on it rn

[round parrot]

In Sky (Vault specifically), is there a possibility where there are tons of cubes, and hidden within the bookshelves (like those bookshelf doors) are puzzles (that contain absolute knowledge, depending on how hard the puzzle is) back to back to back?

[compact shale]

I have a headcanon that memory cubes are locked by puzzles. The more sacred the knowledge the harder it is to solve.

[round parrot]

Like a passcode?

[frigid tinsel]

this plays during one of the Abyss quests. can't remember which one tho

[compact shale]

Yes, but meant to be cracked if you're smart enough

[torn eagle]

Guess nothing beats little old fire

[prime sedge]

idk if the final quest was underwhelming or not lmao but very interesting seeing as that the elders had a hand in the gem exploding

[nimble ingot]

The season did take an interesting turn to say the least.

Though admittedly it does feel less exciting compared to other seasons.
No end cutscene, no spirits ascending.

Just, void and memories.

[round parrot]

I found a few furniture puzzles, I found it interesting and I think it would seem fitting for the world of Sky to have stored valuables (the worth of the valuable depends on how easy the puzzle is solved)

[ebon wind]

What is actually stored in the vault of knowledge? Like we assume it's like an archive or a Library but we never really see anyone accessing the knowledge stored there. And the only things that seem to be stored in the vault are paper diamonds/dark stone prism things. And why are cosmic mantas the only form of life there other than spirits. If the cosmic mantas are ghosts then why aren't there any other ghost creatures outside of vault. Are the mantas projections? Weve come to the conclusion that dark stone absorbs light energy to be used as a battery for the ancestors technology and we know they store it in the vault. But the problem with vault being a place to store batteries just doesn't make sense considering the vaults full name. Does light represent memory? All spirits have a light and when we fail to relive a memory it refers to the light fading. All living things that have somewhat more intelligence are light creatures (krill and crabs seeming to have one prime directive being almost mindless) and from evidence we have concluded that light is drained from creatures and this not only charges dark stone but also created krills almost like they were extracting the mind from the creatures. Is the vault storing the memories of the light creatures and the people? Perhaps the cosmic mantas are projections of broken memory capsules (what I'll refer to about the items stored in vault)? Perhaps the memories we relive are a similar phenomenon where broken capsules release the memories? We see statues when reliving a memory perhaps when the ancestors died they turned into dark stone, explaining why only their memories are present outside of vault? If anyone has any further ideas I'd like to hear them!

Sorry for the wall of text!

Adding on top of this dark creatures seem to only attack things with light, perhaps because their bodies need light in order to have memories or dreams? Longing for what they have lost?

[copper saffron]

the prisms are referred to as memory cubes in concept art
i imagine they might be like recordings

[sharp lichen]

It could be the PNR room?

[eternal totem]

The one where you hug the kid?

[sharp lichen]

No, the one with the statues you have to complete

[nimble ingot]

A wild question, Please try not to look with an open mind.

What if the colour of the masks indicates the wearer to be part of a demographic in Sky?
Not racially, per say (given the skin tones of all characters are similar), though more along the lines of the materials of different regions, and/or professions.

[uncut pond]

Demographics? Doubt it considering how the masks of performance crew and the dreams gang seem to be different colors
Even within base Valley there's a few different mask colors
As for professions? It's possible maybe yeah

[south oracle]

Like the similarity in color in groups like the assembly troupe?

[twilit quiver]

Could this be the shattering crystal?

[nimble ingot]

I was thinking along the lines of the common masks be made of local materials. Not all clay/dirt/minerals are made equal. Some patches may contain unique pigments or come in different shades.
However, this logic may not apply for every mask. As for some like you pointed out with the Dreams and Performance groups, can potentially be made with other materials.

Let's say hypothetically, the admiring Actor's mask is made of porcelain for it pearlescent cream colour; compared to the more rugged metallic mask of the Wasteland Warrior. Both masks are wildly different based on their appearance, which may play into them being from different regions, and belonging to different professions.

[nimble ingot]

Very likely, given the shape and the light show.

It is interesting how the final memory echoes this look with the elders surrounding a shattered diamond. While the mural depicts the prophesised King on a platform similar to the one we fly past from Eden, on the way to Orbit

[copper saffron]

Not the right place to ask, sorry. But we dont know.

[errant canopy]

ok

[ember trellis]

As someone who doesn't follow any of their social media account posts (don't have Twitter or tiktok and rarely go on YouTube) I feel like I miss a lot of the side content and only hear of it from discord

[flint bolt]

This is the same mural from the Isle of Dawn.

Has anyone realized that yet?

[frigid tinsel]

What, no it’s not

[lean kayak]

I am so behind on on the discussion in here, but who do we think the two hugging WLs on the crystal are?

[austere bridge]

if you’ve beaten Eden, then you know that it’s what happens when a skykid is about to ascend
a dark skid hugs a golden skid

[lean kayak]

Yes, I do know

[torn eagle]

its still up to debate what the winged light signifies tbh

personally I believe its the memories of the prince and this depicts the memory of us hugging him

[frigid tinsel]

I don’t believe that’s the prince, mostly cos the white skid in limbo is always tbe same height as your skykid. Would this so-called prince have their own height? So they must be a reflection of the skykid in some way

[torn eagle]

true but I still find it hard to understand how it is only us that gets to free the fallen skids in eden after we meet our reflection of ourselves

it is logical that after death of the fallen skykids they also see a reflection of themselves like we do no? and ascend by themselves with the help of this reflection... maybe its just an ingame thing then?

[keen shore]

Obligatory They Can Be Both
but yeah, I personally believe it is them, because they look the exact same as the skykid who fell in stargazers memory & also look entirely different from when you absorb a WL after dying outside of Eden;
& for other reasons I will mention to you outside of here

[lean kayak]

Maybe its the prince hugging himself? 🥴

[torn eagle]

thats... sad

sorry for ping I forgor TvT

[lean kayak]

I dont mind getting pinged

[marble lynx]

Hi everyone

[spring python]

I still fully believe that Sky kids are parts of a whole that got fragmented, and that that whole is the prince

[keen shore]

I can kinda see it in terms of hard evidence but… I personally don’t really like the idea? It makes them a main character when that feels against Sky’s themes as a whole, diminishes our role in the story as individual players, & implies that we do everything out of guilt, not free will to help.

[white junco]

everyone is part of a whole in the Light but i don’t think skykids are really fragments per se

[spring python]

Imo I think that it actually reinforces it but that’s just me

When he failed in the past to save his kingdom, his last wish was to help whatever little bit was left of that kingdom, and sacrificed himself to create Sky Kids

[white junco]

ok but. that takes away the agency of the skykids and turns the king into the “main character” of the story. and they’re not even in the game

[spring python]

I think that when we hug that kid before we go to orbit that’s his original consciousness stuck on the diamond, receiving a little bit of reassurance that we are carrying his legacy

I also think it’s poetic that Sky kids are one of a whole. We’re never fully complete and never will be, but when we’re together we’re a bit closer to that

[white junco]

look at these cool slides

[spring python]

Ok you guys don’t care about what I have to say, I’ll just leave

Ok no I’m too stubborn to let my side slide like that

Listen I don’t agree that them being the prince means that they don’t have any agency on their own story, otherwise the game would follow a strict plot. I just think that it’s a reasonable explanation to how they came to be and their connection to winged lights.
And like I said before, I believe that even in real life, people are part of a whole. And that in the game this might just be a bit more literal Than irl

Also I’m a writer you don’t need to pull up a slide about writing on me 😭

[frigid tinsel]

it's not a slide on writing, it's a slide depicting the devs' thought processes behind making the game

[spring python]

Yeah I’m just saying it felt slightly rude. I don’t mind people disagreeing but this really felt like “here you don’t know what you’re talking about” even if wasnt the intention yk? That’s why I was a bit hurt by the action

[frigid tinsel]

the king and prince are only ever depicted in concept art. concept art is not canon, not everything in concept development makes it to the Live game. given the dearth of evidence that the king and/or prince from concept are in the game, I doubt there is a king and/or prince canon in game

[white junco]

i do like the idea that the stars the skykids fell from were created out of the prince’s recycled light. but everything in sky is made from light that was once something else. phrasing is a little bit specific there but i don’t think we carry on the king’s mission per se, we just might contain some of their stardust.

i am also very used to wildly outlandish king theories that miss the entire point of sky by a nautical mile so i’m a bit defensive on that part

[keen shore]

do you mean like. they’re not currently a character in the game (just kinda their remnants) or they never existed? i get the first however I can’t tell if you mean the second which I don’t think is true

I have extremely mixed feelings on the king reincarnation theory because it’s like. it makes way too much sense in terms of hard evidence in the game to immediately discount, but also the way many people interpreted it is just to force the king into the role of main character which gets exhausting very quickly, especially if you want to make your own stories with skykids as the main characters

[frigid tinsel]

if there is a king or prince in game, they're a corpse and have as much influence in the game as a corpse. it's possible they were around in-universe during the ancestors era, but given their absence, they have little to none significance to skykids

[spring python]

I personally think they don’t know anything. I’m a spiritist irl and I believe that incarnations are successions, idk how to explain it uuu one second

Ok so idk how to explain my religion NDJWJDJ basically it’s like… you have a mission in incarnation, but that’s not fate because you can change your mission and you have agency over it so your mission can change

[keen shore]

Like I can get it in canon but I doubt I’d put it in a headcanon universe if that makes sense, it’s just too easy of a mental leap to make them the Only Main Character which again feels antithetical to the games themes as a whole & is a thought process I have seen time and time again and just feels exhausting

[spring python]

I mean personally I think that you not being the only one makes you less unique and more unique at the same time

Also spiritism believes in upper and lower realms of existence so I’ve always used that line of thought to think about those kids you wave to after Eden
Because I never understood what was supposed to happen to them (so I assumed they ascend)

[keen shore]

What I mean is — there is no skykid that is a main character, we’re all equally main characters in how we influence the world & team up to do so. Clearing shards, restoring the Treehouse, freeing carry spirits; these are some examples of things that are hard or impossible to do on our own, & which we equally rely on each other’s help for. We are all playing a different ‘main character’ in the world as we all influence it to the same degree.

Which is in opposition to how the king reincarnation theory is commonly twisted to say that they are the only main character in the game technically and that we’re all just different versions of them

[lyric isle]

ok but a headcanon I have about the spirits is pretty similar to that. reliving their memories allows them to have free reign between planes again - before this they’re just stuck on the mortal one, and now they can go between this and Orbit and more at will

[spring python]

Oh I get it, I guess I was on the odd of that theory because I like it because it’d make us more dependent on each other if that makes sense?

[keen shore]

I get it and it sounds super interesting! I’d have to research as I’ve never heard of it before :]

[spring python]

Yeaaah in spiritism we believe that you have to fulfill a certain mission because you need to make sure your spirit is in peace with its own but it’s hard to explain

[spring python]

Look up some stuff from The Spirits Book if you’re interested

I have always been curious to see if sky has any influence from spiritism, but a lot of things are very different and you can notice from the get go

Like ascension fully depends on yourself but in Sky it also depends on some other things (if it even exists in Sky)

[frigid tinsel]

I see what you mean. likewise, I think skykids are given a mission – explicitly to ascend the spirits, implicitly to restore light – but it's one given to us post-birth from the isle intro cave mural or in Orbit from the Light, not encoded into our being. skykids have free will, can deviate from that mission.

like Salem and Spade said, I'm simply incredibly jaded by the "we are the king/prince" takes that miss the point of Sky's themes

[spring python]

I’m act new to lore speculation so I didn’t know that’s how most people saw the theory of Sky kids being the king/prince 😭 my bad

[frigid tinsel]

I call them monarchists

[keen shore]

No don’t worry about it! I’m kinda slotted into the perception of… it Could be interesting if done right but it keeps getting used to fuel a thought process that I have a minor grudge against so I just always look at it suspiciously as a whole

[spring python]

I also wouldn’t like that though I like the idea of Sky kids being naive at first, like when I first played the game I interpret us copying the spirits emotes as us learning how to feel (like how to express yourself)

[austere birch]

Look

[sharp lichen]

Look at what

[eternal totem]

Your shoes are untied

[nimble ingot]

don't feed trolls

[untold notch]

what no they're not-(makes a 90 degree turn and shatters upon impact with the floor)

[eternal totem]

Haha, made you look 😁

[untold notch]

(I look like a Lego video game character just ||died||) haha I guess so

[sharp lichen]

I can at least look at trolls

[nimble ingot]

Look ,yes
feed, no

[untold notch]

"I give the spirits gender"

[keen shore]

most relatable image I’ve ever seen

[eternal totem]

No grip

[untold notch]

abnormal grip

[sharp lichen]

Surely that can’t be a common opinion in the community… right?…. Right?!

[untold notch]

observation: there's a lot of s names in lore chat

[spring python]

Couldn’t be me skill issue

[frigid tinsel]

my name starts with A cos I'm an A+ /j

[untold notch]

me too tbh

[snow cosmos]

take the /j away Alasdair

[spring python]

Is your name the keyboard smash or the names after the sunflower 😭

[untold notch]

it's not a keysmash but also it's the things after

[white junco]

they’re just a gamer

[untold notch]

yes I just have really bad brainrot

[spring python]

Oh it’s an acronym my bad

[untold notch]

FFXIV being final fantasy xiv online

[wheat cypress]

Soooo hello Lore peeps I've deduced that the inner diamond in the eye is about 5 and a third sky kids tall so it's 202.67 inches tall 🙃 if we can modify @sharp lichen 's equation for power diamond energy input to include height, is it possible that we could find out how much energy was used to power it based on its height?

[spring python]

I say the answer is: a lot

[untold notch]

prolly at least 7 watts

[sharp lichen]

We will need to find the volume of a regular power diamond and the volume of this diamond first

[wheat cypress]

We'd need to find the diamonds that the original mural was referring to to find the "standard sizing"

[sharp lichen]

We can find the volume of the whole thing by splitting it into two square pyramids and finding the volume of that

[wheat cypress]

Geniusness..... Baudshaw this is why you're our mathematician...

[untold notch]

do we need to know the mass of the substance at all

[wheat cypress]

I'm a linguist mainly so this isn't really my area

[frigid tinsel]

Alani: I’m a linguist, but—

[sharp lichen]

So the Eden Diamond is composed of two of these shapes joined together. To find the volume, we will need to find the base, and this is why we shouldn’t do it:

It’ll be extremely difficult to measure it. Although measuring stuff vertically is a cakewalk, it’s significantly harder horizontally, especially in midair.

In all honesty, I don’t think this is an idea worth 4 days of math

[wheat cypress]

Oof.... didn't think it'd be that hard.... oh well

We can't get an exact measurement then, but couldn't we get an approximation using height instead of volume?

[sharp lichen]

That large diamond seems much narrower than the regular power diamond, so unfortunately we can’t.

It’s ok, math in lorechat seems unfit

[rocky granite]

Would you not be able to find the base by just getting the width on two non parallel sides of it?

Or like by looking up or down?

[sharp lichen]

The width would require the Skykid to lay down using the faint emote hundreds of times, as well as complex table maneuvering

[rocky granite]

You could measure with something other than a sky kid since you can place props so i definitely agree it would be inconvenient but i dont think it would take a hundred tries

[wheat cypress]

The other problem is this.... oops its lopsided

[rocky granite]

Yea that does add an extra step which is inconvenient lol

[wheat cypress]

Oh well lol

[rocky granite]

Id still be willing to try when i get home in like an hour ish ill let you know if i get anywhere haha

[wheat cypress]

Lolll enjoy

From what I've seen, many of us have an ongoing project or aspiration of sorts when it comes to the Lore, or something you wish you could figure out once and for all.... what is that for you guys?

[eternal totem]

Enchantment guide

[rocky granite]

Turtles, and grass in isle lol

[frigid tinsel]

anatomy & physiology, mostly skykids rn but ancestors interest me too

[hushed steeple]

Light Creatures and ancestor cultures

[spring python]

The kids waving at you on orbit

That or what the actual hell is going on with Bloom Guide’s hands

[tepid veldt]

what life was like before the stars fell i guess you cant call it a project, as im just interested in the topic and occasionally make silly headcanons

also spirit interactions

[spring python]

I seriously don’t understand if it’s gameplay or not that we reincarnate but we help others ascend like I don’t understand 😭

[eternal totem]

If Rhythm can turn into a bird, they'll turn into a tree

[spring python]

Pocahontas Tree lore???

[eternal totem]

I don't think it's gameplay

[wheat cypress]

Ooooo I also love this topic... wrote a paper about it

Loving these answers .... for me it's deciphering the various texts and symbols of the sky world

[compact shale]

The relationships between spirits where in the world are Assembly's parents and what exactly is the Abyss family dynamic

[snow cosmos]

i haven't landed on my passion project yet but i'm really interested in how the Ancestors collected and passed down knowledge (murals, oral history, etc), since we know they had a written language but it's hardly ever used

[eternal totem]

Oh yeah, clothing cultures specifically

[tepid veldt]

is it also an acceptable answer to not really have a project and dont plan on having one, but just interested in sky lore as a whole?

if so then that is me

[compact shale]

Clarification: Unfortunately not really a viable project, as of now.

[eternal totem]

The project just rotates in my head & that's okay

[wild ruin]

“Leviathan” lore, rather how/if big fishy relates to krill and or the large whale type spirits. & what did that one do in order to survive? All others we see are either bones or sprits 🐋

[spring python]

Kid’s wearing a pot for a hat and building tunnels on a presumably apocalyptic scenario I don’t think their parents made it

[frigid tinsel]

could've run away

[sharp lichen]

ENCHANTMENT PROPHECY ELEMENTS PLEASE COME BACK PLEEEASE

[atomic lava]

does anyone have any thoughts about how the season of shattering guide looks like it has a gem in the middle? or about how the red lights in eden sound a lot like old ideas for the king throwing things at us in eden?

[sharp lichen]

The Eden Diamond also has a gem in the middle, they have to be similar or the same

[atomic lava]

thats what i was thinking because we have a small idea abt what happened in the lore... and its possible that eden diamond is a giant darkstone but its just a theory

[sharp lichen]

I’m thinking the Void of Shattering is a spirit form of the Eden Diamond

[atomic lava]

ohhh how do u think that works /genq

[frigid tinsel]

shrug lvl 4

[gleaming fog]

If the diamond absorbs energy, maybe it absorbs spirits too.

It could be that the five we meet are all skykids whose memories are especially fragmented

[frigid tinsel]

honestly Sky’s magic system is vague and kinda weird, any guesses to the mechanism would be just that — guesses

[spring python]

light do tricky thing

bottom text

[gleaming fog]

But we can look at mechanics and create models that fit. The model that fits the most mechanics is the one that wins 😄

[spring python]

but that last memory does show it repelling the elders so idk what thats about, Im assuming thats how they got to whatever place they are now

[frigid tinsel]

From the shockwave, safe to assume the diamond exploded

[gleaming fog]

Are the elders in eden or at their shrines? Because the shrines feel a lot like some warped version of space (the cutscene locations don’t match up with the shrine areas) while in eden, we can actually meet them up close

[spring python]

I think all the elders being nearby means they were trying to stop it a bit too late

more than the elders what bugs me is those hugging lights

[frigid tinsel]

Both. I see the Elders as interdimensional travelers, able to go between Orbit and the world below. Something, likely the Eden calamity, could’ve severed their connection to the world and limited them to their pocket dimensions. Skykids frequently bringing them light and reinvigorating their realms gives them enough power to ascend to Orbit again

[spring python]

I also think that they are using the light we offer to help other spirits ascend first, but I believe thats consolidated

[frigid tinsel]

Apparently the Elders can ascend the spirits we bring to their temples

[gleaming fog]

It could be that with enough spirits ascended, they gain the ability to manifest up in eden.

The cutscenes feel a lot like memories in that the same thing happens every time. While in eden they reach out and interact with us players directly. It could be that they only truly get their sense of self and free will once their constellation is complete.

[tepid veldt]

im planting this seed and running away
what if we never get a poem for the last memory and we just have to speculate

[round parrot]

Random Sky thought at 6 am:

If a Skykid is light, can they be thrown?

[spring python]

LMAOO the poem is just "I blow up"

[gleaming fog]

“My people need me”

[austere bridge]

yeet the chibi

[tepid veldt]

diamond go boom and elders dun like

[gleaming fog]

Diamond go crack, elders knocked back

[round parrot]

I tried to estimate the height of a chibi with a measuring tape in hand, shorter than my kneecaps

[gleaming fog]

Size-accurate chibi plush when?

[tepid veldt]

the size of your keys

[lyric isle]

this is a beautiful thing to arrive to

[tepid veldt]

was chibi height included in 6 days of pure math?
if we get a size accurate plush its all for nothing

ALSO STAGE PRESENTS?? I DONT REMEMBER HEARING THIS AND I LOVE IT

[round parrot]

WHAT IS A STAGE PRESENT??????
Oh it's a title, mb (I thought there were actual gifts in the Performance area 😭)

[tepid veldt]

absolute banger
and its over already

[round parrot]

I listened to it, not even 1 minute in and it's already a banger

[frigid tinsel]

The repeating cutscenes may be a gameplay mechanic, but even then the Elders jnteract with skykids directly in those cutscenes — taking their light, Night offering us to put the light offering in the diamond, Sunset playing with us. In-universe the Elders are probably animate and even more interactive. In fact, I’d say the Elders in Orbit are the least interactive since they just do some fancy movements and stand still.

Btw you don’t have to ping me in replies

[tepid veldt]

something completely unrelated - i had to write the definition of emulate and immediately thought of this

[pastel brook]

Using emulators is against the Sky TOS, @tepid veldt. Please don’t use or discuss emulators here.

[eternal totem]

(Oh right it's a Monday... poem today hopefully)

[gleaming fog]

@frigid tinsel Same to thee on replies to me

It could be a gameplay mechanic yes, but nothing truly happens when you rewatch the cutscene, it’s very scripted, as if they lose their memories after it happens each time.

On the other hand, purchasing candles involves the ancestor creating that object using your candles, so in a way it’s more interactive even if it’s not visible

Edit: the @ was a force of habit, won’t edit it out since the ping already went through lol

[frigid tinsel]

I meant you can reply to my messages but do not ping me when you do

The cutscenes are scripted because they are cutscenes. Literal short bits of film that are shown over and over cos it’d be pain to code and choreograph multiple unique cutscenes for a single Elder. You have to remember that they are NPCs and like all NPCs they’ll end up repeating their actions over and over. That’s just game design. It isn’t necessarily true for what they may be in-universe

[cedar widget]

I swear if this poem doesnt come out /j

[gleaming fog]

Back, cutscenes can be shortened, it could’ve just been the eyes turn on and only the final section of the cutscene is shown (elders sending flame into the air) depending on whether you’ve found new spirits,

I say this because one of the best twists I’ve ever seen in a game was set up by the player assuming that something was just a game mechanic

[austere bridge]

hoping for poem today

[torn eagle]

Imagine tgc giving no poem due to the fact it actually depicts lore

[tepid veldt]

again

[torn eagle]

Sharing a braincell, yes

[untold notch]

that would be devastating

[austere bridge]

yea
lorechat gets one braincell to itself and the rest of the server has to share a braincell

[spring python]

The poem drops and it’s the lyrics for Rihanna’s hit song Diamonds

[wheat cypress]

If the shattering has a spirit does that mean it's sentient? That might support the "the king is the diamond" theory

[sharp lichen]

I think the Eden Diamond used to be sentient

[wheat cypress]

Used to be? What makes it not sentient anymore? /gen

[tepid veldt]

how was it sentient in the first place

[wheat cypress]

I've always suspected that somehow the king might have become one with the diamond or smthn idk

[spring python]

I see it as the diamond going out of control and absorbing life around it which might ultimately give it some degree of sentience but idk

Like idk if it is sentient but assuming that the shards store memories and that’s how we access them, and that all the shards originate from the diamond, that means it’s at least capable of storing other people’s memories

Also it’s interesting how the guide is called “void of shattering” because void would imply absence and not particularly any inclination towards light or dark

[torn eagle]

I think it just recently developed it sentience

From a normal diamond that showers red rocks and causes corruptions suddenly is able to focus their red rocks in an area marked by the spotlight

It developed a sentience but not a sentience enough for it to make logical independent actions... Its like a child scrambling around doing things they are entirely unsure about

[frigid tinsel]

I just noticed this and

[untold notch]

i have got to look up synonyms for emulate

[pastel brook]

Using emulators is against the Sky TOS, @untold notch. Please don’t use or discuss emulators here.

[untold notch]

rot

[tepid veldt]

according to google
imitate, copy, reproduce, mimic, mirror, echo, follow, model oneself on, take as a model, take as an example, match, equal, parallel, be the equal of, be on par with, be in the same league as, come near to, come close to, approximate, compete with, contend with, rival, vie with, surpass

[untold notch]

ty idyll

[hoary flare]

I see it as regional
In my fanlore thing I've had it where each region has their own type of masks, as it's a very important part of a skykid

Isle skykids have stone masks carved from the rocks around them

Prairie skykids have shell or porcelain masks

Forest skykids have wooden masks

Valley skykids have various metal masks

Wasteland skykids basically have whatever's lying around, whether it be shattered masks from someone else or just a mask from the other regions

Vault skykids, being a mix of monks and students, have a uniform standard basic clay mask made from a mold.

[torpid stag]

I'm curious, does anyone have any idea what the GW looked like before the great disaster? Was it always the way it was, barren from magic, or was it once beautiful like Isle? Covered in grass and life? thoughts?

I was specifically imagining the temple, what it looked like before or if when it was built the darkness was already taking over im not sure

[hoary flare]

I believe it was once a great city that was ravaged by war of some kind. (Probably against krill). Which is why we see pipes, sewage sludge, shipwrecks, etc.

[white junco]

we’ve got this from the animation teaser, not a 100% sure what realm it is but it looks like gw

[winged wing]

Yeah, in my mind I always imagined that it was once a bustling metropolis, which is why it's got ports to the forgotten ark the abyss area I forgot the name of lol

[hoary flare]

spits out drink

DUDE
BRO
THATS EXACTLY WHAT I HAD IN MIND

[sharp lichen]

And this as well

[tepid veldt]

when where how and why
where was this in the animation teaser

[white junco]

there was like this one bit where they just threw a bunch of concept art on the screen

[torpid stag]

woooaaaahhh thats exactly what I was imagining!!!!

[torpid stag]

ohh that reminds me of this concept art, its one of my favorites

[white junco]

it’s this video https://youtu.be/KevTXLvpmVI

[steep prawn]

was it the first teaser?

[tepid veldt]

“here you go, here’s a bunch of really cool stuff that we wont elaborate on! have fun”

[hoary flare]

How much you wanna bet that Eden was like
Really High class
Rich city like New York or something.

[torpid stag]

I am so facinated by GW in all ways, how vast it is, like the islands far away in the distance. I wanna go there so bad
imagining it before (all of sky too really) is so interesting too

[hoary flare]

Why do you think I'm writing an entire fan lore for it

[torpid stag]

LOL omg thats amazing I hope I get to see it

[tepid veldt]

yo crabs had LORE on them

[hoary flare]

AYO

[winged wing]

Love that lmao- do we have any idea what an actual map of the kingdom of sky looks like?? Mostly like where the heck is home in relation to everything else 💀

[tepid veldt]

crabs are just funky in general (also taken from the teaser)

[hoary flare]

I imagine home is like
On the other side of the planet

[torpid stag]

yooo :0 that makes me think ,I wonder if more darkness creatures will ever be introduced or if it will always be the three, crabs, krill, and dark wormies from the trial

[steep prawn]

there is map made by tgc

[hoary flare]

Show

[steep prawn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/929400001623371828/1002319702254694492/17DF58AA-3851-4DFC-92F5-7BCF42166AA7.png

[winged wing]

Oooooooh

[torpid stag]

man, that reminds me, I wish so badly I could oob behind the GW temple and see how it connects to vault , it looks like just a big wall but i wanna see closer

[tepid veldt]

ok got an image
sky world funky

they included all the seasonals too, thats real cool

[hoary flare]

SO THE WIND TUNNELS ARE ABOVE PRARIE :000

[winged wing]

Even the valley oob is in this!!

[sharp lichen]

Technically it's not canon, but we can ignore that silly little fact and treat it as canon

[tepid veldt]

shh we can dream

[torpid stag]

speaking of that, did they ever fix the lighting there?

[compact shale]

wait why not?

[winged wing]

I was there the other day, don't think so lmaoo

[steep prawn]

oh that’s interesting to know, now it makes sense

[torpid stag]

aww, I hope they do soon, thats my favorite oob

[tepid veldt]

whats the thing in the top right corner

[winged wing]

Starlight desert, right?

[torpid stag]

little prince cape area :0

this is a little off topic, but I love the concept art for this zone which was gunna be right before the storm:

[untold notch]

that would have been so pretty but so laggy

[sharp lichen]

I've heard that the office was there. And since the office is technically non canon, the map is (although it can still be useful)

[torpid stag]

truee but maybe with video game magic, it could work >_<

[tepid veldt]

yeah im assuming the tiny tgc logo is the office, and thats just under the vault

[winged wing]

Ahh fair enough, I suppose that makes sense- this is fine tho now I can keep imagining Eden as a floating island instead of a mountain hehe

[sharp lichen]

I still think that place is an accurate representation of the Sky world

[tepid veldt]

i really like the fact that valley is at the center of everything - it was a thriving civilization no?

[torpid stag]

I'm also curious what you guys think about this concept art too, having realistic items would def break the whole ancient civilization lore, but I like to imagine what if the world of sky and the real world merged somehow to create a realm like this? its dreamlike. Would that be a cool season area and lore or would it break the immersion and story too much do u think

[compact shale]

man sky feels like a different game here

[torpid stag]

right? its awesome to think what it could have been (even tho its still amazing)

[copper saffron]

This is really interesting yeah. There used to be a full city there. Perhaps we dont see it cause vault goes through the mountain

[compact shale]

I have a conspiracy theory that Vault used to be a network of towers, but only the central tower remains

[torpid stag]

ooo I like this theory

[copper saffron]

Sky used to be like, based on the real world, like sky was the world in the clouds. When we die, our souls go to the sky world, where we can reconnect to megabird and be reborn

[frigid tinsel]

That’s the NetEase map which is of dubious canonicity. I’m personally fond of Zhao’s map but again it’s concept

[tepid veldt]

ah i see

[torpid stag]

yeahhhh I really like that idea, i wish that there could be a sky2 game or just another game, even if its single player with this idea in mind

[compact shale]

For some reason every time I think of a skykid in the human world my first thoughts are

1. How do they disguise themselves as a human
2. They eat scented candles

[copper saffron]

The first part is something im still trying to figure out for my thing lol
But there's space magic in my crossover so we could explain away the skykid like that

[torpid stag]

😂

[compact shale]

Sunglasses, mask, wig, loose clothing

[torpid stag]

they slip and almost fall so they panic and fly by accident and everyone around is just like

[copper saffron]

A friend drew this and i think its pretty good

[compact shale]

still needs a wig, sunnies, and a face mask

top 10 rappers eminem was too afraid to diss

[torpid stag]

LOL OMG little man I love him

[torpid stag]

MEEEE omg where can I buy a marketable plushie of hims

[copper saffron]

I wish i want a marketable skykid plushie too

[compact shale]

I have skykid plushies but they're unmarketable

[torpid stag]

I want a kreb but idk when ill be finatially stable enough to spend 30 dollars on one krebby lol (i want to so bad)

[tepid veldt]

do you have a template

[copper saffron]

want

[forest hornet]

This door in Prairie really interests me, it’s different then all the other doors we see

It doesn't seem to have dark stone to power it?

To power it two people have to stand on the plates on the ground and hold a butterfly to give it enough power to open
Anyways I wanted to hear your guys opinions cuz I'm bored lol

[frigid tinsel]

a way to power technology without darkstones

[compact shale]

Maybe it was using our body to complete the circuit between the butterfly, the stone plate, and the door opening mechanism?

If ancestors were doing this they'd have to coax the butterfly onto the stone plate unless they were also light-conductive

[untold notch]

lanternkids moment

[wheat cypress]

The door is a gateway to where the Light worshippers congregated after all, so it would make sense that the door that goes there was also without darkstone

[flint bolt]

Guys, I solved Shattering lore

[untold notch]

abnormal grip moment

[flint bolt]

I especially like the one on the top right

[hoary flare]

Imagine if we just went full avatar and neutralized the crystal aang style

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-aang-gif-4849789

[copper saffron]

I kinda got that lmao
(Art by me)
It's just funny to imagine a skykid going all avatar state lol

[untold notch]

if any of you saw me star that no you didnt

[night pecan]

i did

[compact shale]

In a sense, love is in the air, for the shards are nothing but Resh's broken heart

[untold notch]

the divorce really did a number on them huh

[frigid tinsel]

omg Slink art

[raw crypt]

my art jumpscare

[white junco]

slinkscare

[lean kayak]

Ooo i like that theory sorry for ping

[hollow sun]

ong I love the idea of more dreamlike realms similar to Starlight Desert, it's geographically and world-buildingly one of the most interesting sub-realms

[torpid stag]

yesss! All I can do is hope a future season has this concept

[lean kayak]

I still dont really get the meaning of this mural

[frigid tinsel]

Light creature to power diamond equation

[lean kayak]

Waa same

[lean kayak]

That's it?? That's... kind of boring i thought maybe they tried to keep the creature satisfied or outside of the door but something happened and it all collapsed and flooded everything

[lean kayak]

Right... if mantas and butterflies can be used to power a diamond then it wouldnt be so strange that sky kids or spirits couldve been used/absorbed as well since all living things are made of light

What if they used the prohecies to see which skid/spirit had the most light in them and then used the chosen ones to power the big Eden diamond 👀

And then maybe the Eden diamond burst because it reached max capacity? Or maybe because it is a dark and unethical ritual which means some darkness came with and corrupted the diamond?

[fading pier]

Lore chat, who's the big bird?

What's the big bird?

[grizzled rock]

Is big bird the one from nest in forest

[fading pier]

Ye, I don't know big bird

[grizzled rock]

Same I only know big whale and big manta

[midnight sonnet]

Megabird is it’s official name

And you see it at whilst flying into orbit (when you get AC)

[fading pier]

What's AC?

[grizzled rock]

Oh you mean the manta

[grizzled rock]

Ascended candles

[midnight sonnet]

No the weird circle thing

[fading pier]

Do you have photo of megabird?

[midnight sonnet]

That’s composed of manta, Jellyfish, whales, those glowy creatures

Here are some photos

[fading pier]

Oooh! Megabird is those constalation looking stars? :0

[midnight sonnet]

It’s said so yes but we don’t know for certain

[fading pier]

Lmao! Was that a sky meme??

[midnight sonnet]

But megabird does exist in some way

[grizzled rock]

I searched it on Google
This is what I saw instead

[midnight sonnet]

I got this

[grizzled rock]

Yeah scroll a little lower

[fading pier]

Megabird is pretty

[midnight sonnet]

Yes memes Happen to show up sometimes

[grizzled rock]

That's what I love about google

[fading pier]

So what the lore theorists say about megabird?

[grizzled rock]

Someone said we're all her kids

[fading pier]

Huh so she's the grandma of all grandma's eh?

[midnight sonnet]

Someone said sky kids all came from the megabird wanting to retrieve the light

[grizzled rock]

Imagine a veteran who's considered a child of mega bird who adopted a moth
And since moth is a child of mega bird does that mean megabird and veteran are siblings

[fading pier]

Yes

[grizzled rock]

So basically is megabird paying child support?

[round parrot]

What about the time where Megabird makes Skykids come back to the light by dying/sacrificing themselves to Eden?

[outer hare]

Bobbiteth

[grizzled rock]

That's a mother forcing a teenager to go to them

[round parrot]

typical sunday or saturday

[grizzled rock]

Tuesday for me

[fading pier]

Is our old husks of body's considered bird food to her?

[grizzled rock]

What if the body were giving our light to are just her waste

[outer hare]

exactly what i was thinking

[grizzled rock]

What if krills are just skykids that got corrupted by drugs

[round parrot]

||~~Megabird is an entity that is basically a constellation 😭 ~~||

[fading pier]

Bird waste?! 😭 I mean like yeah I understand they have cloacas

[grizzled rock]

What if the mega bird is the reason that maybe there was a massive extinction and the creatures that survive are either small because their newly born and the massive ones are so little in number and the spirits are dead people

And vault of knowledge is the gate to the afterlife

[hushed steeple]

Does this have anything to do with season of aurora?

Also are these two dating? They act like a couple 24/7 🙄 /j

[eternal totem]

It's the Season of Aurora teaser mural

Yes they're dating /srs

[unreal gyro]

wiat im missign so many things im sure

[hushed steeple]

WAIT ARE YOU SERIUOUS?

[eternal totem]

No, I lied to you

But I meeaaaaaaaan

[hushed steeple]

LIKE LOOK AT THEM

[eternal totem]

YEAH, they've been working the longest together I bet

[hushed steeple]

They be walking around **togheter. ** playing music and managing the shop togheter joke ** togheter ** and headpat each other like- 😭

THEY'RE ATTACHED TO THE HIP LIKE TGC GIVE US THIS

[eternal totem]

Their little meow meow

[hushed steeple]

Their little skrunkle

[sharp lichen]

Doesn’t the entire performance crew do this though-

[compact shale]

Plot twist: They're all ||in love with each other||

[sharp lichen]

Reminds me of that ||terrible webcomic||

[compact shale]

not that one

[eternal totem]

Begone

[uncut pond]

I... I'm not sure which one you're talking about but if it's the one I think it is... NO

[lyric isle]

should I be glad I don’t know

[eternal totem]

Yes

[lyric isle]

I shall stay innocent then

[keen copper]

My hc: there are no more plants in the sky world

At least on land

[round parrot]

Atleast on land????

[keen copper]

Cause the "grass and flowers" are clearly just peices of light

[noble ferry]

i was about to write a "grass: am i joke to you" joke but eh

[round parrot]

I thought there were floating plants 💀 (aside from floating dark plants)

Gtg now

[keen copper]

No, I'm pretty sure all plants aboveground when the Eden disaster happened died. And the only real plants left are the ones underwater in treasure reef

[violet sundial]

The lilies though…

[keen copper]

You mean the things from hidden forest?

[violet sundial]

In Starlight Desert, the 8 player puzzle and the Laidback pioneer’s memories

They’re perfectly alive and well

[keen copper]

Those were from before the Eden disaster obviously

[violet sundial]

How come they’re still alive at the current day though? They’re not ghosts/memories

[keen copper]

Oh you mean the flowers? I suppose that's an exception

[grim python]

I always just thought it was technical limitations but this is interesting too

[violet sundial]

Well, those are plants too because they’re all made of light. Iirc there’s detailed flowers with petals in the animation trailer that emit “pollen” that’s made of Light when disturbed

I think the eden catastrophe wiped out a large portion of life in general that’s going to need time to come back as I understand it but I don’t think it caused all plants to die

[noble ferry]

isnt there a flower in the 8 player room in prairie?

[distant turtle]

Yes and isn't there the same flower somewhere else in Sky?

[earnest briar]

Yes, in Starlight Desert. They’re everywhere there.

[keen copper]

And the plants underwater in treasure reef

[slate saffron]

Speak the name

[hushed steeple]

Please tell me it's not what I think

[copper saffron]

say the word

[hushed steeple]

I don't want to 😭

[torn eagle]

Say the word.

[bronze arch]

Do the marks on the “boxes” in the Archive have any meaning?

[sharp lichen]

They could belong to the Wise Grandparent

[bronze arch]

Wdym by that?

[sharp lichen]

The Wise Grandparent was located in the Archive

[bronze arch]

Right, but what do the symbols on the boxes have to do with that?

[sharp lichen]

I think the Wise Grandparent owned/created the boxes, there’s no other reason

[bronze arch]

Ooooooo maybe

[regal forge]

Wise grandparent works as a professional pizza box folder

[slate saffron]

Say the word

[hushed steeple]

B....

[slate saffron]

SAY IT >:(

[distant turtle]

So those cubes contain hundreds of thousands of magically frozen pizzas

[eternal totem]

Who made this model 💀

[sharp lichen]

Looks like MultiVersus

[rocky granite]

I forgot to share this yesterday so sorry its like past that conversation and its off topic now but i did an estimate, since i only have your screenshot from one side i had to assume it was square which it probably isnt so its definitely a rough estimate but its better than nothing i suppose haha

If you get a good picture from 90° to the right or left i could do the math again and at least get a better estimate of the volume maybe next time i wont accidentally use kids instead of feet for measurements lol

I wanted to split it vertically instead of horizontally to avoide that slant but i would need another picture of that side which i dont have so sadly i think this is the best i can do at this point

[copper saffron]

i-is this
maths

[rocky granite]

Yes

[slate saffron]

How tall is that sky kid? We could do a conversion to more understandable numbers if I remember correctly!

[rocky granite]

This is actually not the first time ive done math in a videogame and its a lot more fun than my homework

[regal forge]

empty because vault elder gave em out to the sky kids already
“Sorry about eden…….. here”

[rocky granite]

I dont know for sure since its not my picture and not my sky kid im just going off their measurements of the shard based off their sky kid

[slate saffron]

Ah, well that's no good

[rocky granite]

Originally i measured with their ruler of the shard and realized like halfway through i was measuring in kids instead of feet so i just changed units at the end which was an entertaining unit change tbh

[regal forge]

Wait does this new memory mean we can find the canon height of all the elders???
Or do we have that-

[rocky granite]

Truthfully i dont think it messes up the results that much just because of how many other assumptions had to be made since i only have one side to go off of, id want a better measurement if i actually had a way to measure the third dimension

[copper saffron]

the statues aren't canon height i dont think

[regal forge]

D:
betrayal

[rocky granite]

Im pretty sure people have measured them in orbit and their cutscenes before and i think the height varies haha

[regal forge]

I will use the power of clinometers from math class and find the size of that crystal

[regal forge]

They’re just using resize potions don’t worry
looking for the elder max height

I suddenly whole heartedly believe wasteland elder is a ‘big size’ spell user

[rocky granite]

Lol i personally use my table to measure
I measured it against the ping pong table on the way to office and its actually really close to that website for measuring your height and they got the measurements from a table in office by using the measurements of an actual trophy in their irl office so i thought that was cool

[regal forge]

Ah-
someday I’ll use my clinometer skills

[rocky granite]

Sometimes i forget my table is intended for conversations and not spontaneously deciding i need to measure something then promptly do nothing with that information

[keen copper]

It's ok kat, not all information is immediately useful

[rocky granite]

Well if you ever wonder how big the turtle in sanctuary is i got you haha

[keen copper]

How big is he?

[rocky granite]

3.423 meters

[keen copper]

In freedom units please

[rocky granite]

Hamburgers or hotdogs haha
11.23 feet

I joke about measuring with food but ive used busses as a unit and i just talked about measuring in kids so i feel like i should be making more fun of myself but im also american so haha america has funny units

[safe sphinx]

what would happen if our candle broke? can they break? (not in game obviously, but more like a headcanon)

[keen shore]

I’ve never thought about that but now I wish I could find out

[safe sphinx]

if they can, would our candle break and then we die? or would we just be extremely vulnerable and unable to make friends?

[keen shore]

If our candle broke I’d imagine they’d repair pretty quickly if we had enough light, but if we didn’t, hmmm… probably die?

[safe sphinx]

i was thinking the candle breaks and suddenly we can't get reborn

[keen shore]

that would be absolutely horrifying

alasdair I see you if you make this happen to an oc I will lose it

[frigid tinsel]

Amander already had theirs obliterated but they were reborn with one

[hollow sun]

i feel like its less retroactive and more of the more light you have the more durable your candle is

[safe sphinx]

i was thinking about making one with a broken candle that's why i asked 💀

[hollow sun]

adding light to your wing is like tempering glass/metal.. or adding more sand to a sandcastle

[snow cosmos]

maybe if the candle breaks you can't gain any more light? like, whatever you've got when it breaks, that's all you're gonna get?

[hollow sun]

well the thing is if we're following the literal aspects of candles you could still light it after its broken, there's still wax
You'd just need a wick and the candle would be less durable

[safe sphinx]

grinds for 500 candles

[snow cosmos]

i guess it depends on whether you see the candle as a literal physical candle made of wax or a manifestation of a skykid's Light

[hollow sun]

i think it's far more the latter, just spitballin'

[safe sphinx]

that is so true i didnt think of that
but. what if we lost the wick

alasdair typing a triple chunk essay up in here

[hollow sun]

i'd think it would regenerate its wick automatically, plus a wick goes all the way through a candle

[snow cosmos]

patiently awaiting hir well-thought-out take

[frigid tinsel]

I think it’d be really difficult for a skykid to lose their flame. It seems so innately tied to them — they never even put their candle down. I think if you’d tried to take a skykid’s flame if held out as a candle, it’d immediately dematerialize and return inside their body. Idk if you’d even be able to break it since the candle seems to be a way to hold the flame outside ones body.

I think the flame is tied to skykids’ light manipulation abilities since when it’s extinguished, all their cosmetic projections disappear too. So a theoretical skykid with a broken flame may struggle with light manipulation, especially on their own person.

However I headcanon that skykids are reborn with fresh flames after dying that compounds from their previous flames. It strengthens with rebirth — my way to equivalenting wing buffs in-universe. Stronger flames = a great proclivity over light and more light within a skykid at baseline. Theyd feel increasingly energetic.

Yet I do have a skykid OC whose flame was obliterated by a shard and another skykid whose flame was weakened by corruption. When they were reborn, their flames were reset to below moth’s, having been affected by darkness. Repeat rebirth could strengthen their flames, but dying over and over is tedious and painful. These skykids have chronic fatigue and struggle with light manipulation, their hair thinner and their outfits beige. Gifted cosmetics look more solid than what they project on their own, but their weakened grasp of light manipulation makes the light slip out of those gifts too. They get tired easily and sleep a lot, but find themselves drawn to light sources and fires to feel more awake.

[keen shore]

this does assume that the candle works like an Actual Candle in terms of physical makeup and material vs being a tangible projection of light which is probably the more likely option if I had to guess

[hollow sun]

there it is

[keen shore]

i get why darkness corruption makes skykids hair thinner/shorter but somehow the concept of “darkness corruption that makes you bald” is still incredibly funny to me , woe baldness be upon ye

[frigid tinsel]

As for these two skykids, Amander is the one whose flame was obliterated by a shard whereas Nanif had been corrupted. When both were reborn and Nanif was uncorrupted, their flames were weaker than they had been before, hence chronic fatigue and struggling with light manipulation

[hollow sun]

fr I love your vocabulary and precise language

[keen shore]

so a thereotical skykid with a broken flame may struggle with light manipulation, especially on their own person

does this mean trundle might have a broken flame ??

[frigid tinsel]

Different stages of Nanif uncorrupted as they recultivated their light manipulation abilities. They don’t have to be reborn to get a control of light again, but it’s a slower process.
Tbf Nanif did catch darkness sickness before converting the plants that were growing off them into their cape to control their illness but they got more going on

[frigid tinsel]

Huh, I hadn’t considered that. Trundle was shattered, so their issue has been a disrupted propioception by the trauma. They can control light externally fine. It’s light projections on their own person they have trouble with.

Amander and Nanif struggle with light manipulation in general. Their control over all light has been nerfed, so light to them moreso slips through their fingers even if they know what to do with it. Light doesn’t really obey them anymore.

[safe sphinx]

we can always count on alasdair for detailed answers ❤️

[frigid tinsel]

Consider light water. Strong, uncorrupted flames unaffected by darkness are like cups with no holes or cracks in them. They hold light securely and well. Their container is solid. You can cup up light and nothing to little to anything can leak out.

Uncorrupted or damaged flames are like colanders (pictured). They could hold light for a while, but there are too many holes in them and the light will slip out.

[safe sphinx]

poor amander and nanif

[snow cosmos]

Alasdair's characters get put through the wringer on the regular, it's great

[keen shore]

i remember first hearing about season of shattering and going “so many of hir ocs are gonna get got”

[frigid tinsel]

They get better. Nanif becomes a darkness wizard helping other uncorrupted skykids and exploring the balance of light & dark. Amander... is still going through it. They both learn to cope with their chronic fatigue.

[keen shore]

Amander will probably get injured in the future in such a way that cancels out the effects of this one in the somehow unluckiest and luckiest way ever. alternatively as soon as they recover they get murked again

[snow cosmos]

Naihho, mentally preparing themself to watch Amander get got for the 87th time:

[frigid tinsel]

Amander did get Rain Elder’s memories from the shard which led to them exploring blue light and easing off their hydrophobia so that kinda already happened

[keen shore]

THAT WAS THE INSPIRATION FOR THE JOKE THAT REALIZATION STILL MAKES ME LOSE IT

[hollow sun]

is there a way for me to read up on the generally accepted interpretation of the story, cause when y'all talk about the eden disaster and all that i only know on the surface whatcha mean

[frigid tinsel]

Yea we don’t know much about what the Eden calamity entailed either.

It likely was the Eden diamond corrupting and exploding, which I believe the Elder frozen memory depicts. The resultant deluge of darkness that flooded into the world caused a mass extinction event that killed off the ancestors as well as swaths of light creatures

[hollow sun]

see, the diamond was a construct of light? I don't know much about it.

[keen shore]

There isn’t a like… written down list of Everything We Currently Believe because there’s so much to cover & because of new information being revealed it changes quite frequently, however I’d be happy to answer any questions of yours on specific topics.

For example, the Eden calamity is what killed everyone (or led indirectly to their deaths, some ancestors likely survived after for short periods of time) and is probably what the 6th shattering memory depicts. However, the events leading up to it are kind of a mystery especially as to why the diamond exploded in the first place. I can explain how darkstone (the material the diamond is made out of) works if you’d like!

[hollow sun]

I may just learn as I go, but thank you so much

[snow cosmos]

i believe there's also a google doc in this channel's pins that does cover some of the basics

[frigid tinsel]

The Eden diamond is very likely a giant power diamond, which is made from refined darkstone combined with light creature essence(?) of some sort. Abyss murals shows that the ancestors did use light creatures to make power diamonds, killing them in the process. Power diamonds are essentially batteries the ancestors used to power their technology. So the Eden diamond may have been intended as a giant, ultimate energy source.

We don’t know what caused that Eden diamond to corrupt. We just know that it did and instead of showering the world with light and energy, it began spouting out darkness and occasionally exploding

[frigid tinsel]

I would recommend Baud’s lore moth doc rather than the older, outdated, and dubiously sourced one

[keen shore]

No problem! I’m gonna do a quick rundown just to be sure. Darkstone are those blue diamonds you light across the realms with your candle to open things like doors and starts up mechanisms. The Eden Diamond was probably one of these but on a massive scale.

Unfortunately, further in the timeline of the kingdom, we know that ancestors started using creatures’ [ie mantas] light to charge it instead of their own, which is why there are mantas in the forest temple & in the abyss cages. We also know from the Eden Diamond that it can get corrupted and suck in light constantly around it, however, how this happens is currently unknown (but not devoid of speculation)

[snow cosmos]

valid, i don't know where the link to that one is

[frigid tinsel]

Wait I think my link is wrong

[raw crypt]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit this one?

[snow cosmos]

this is the one i was thinking of, that i saw when i first showed up here

[frigid tinsel]

Yea that’s it

[keen copper]

Yeah it definitely needs an update

Who made it?

[frigid tinsel]

Baud

[keen copper]

The prophecy Stan?

@sharp lichen
Sorry for the ping but I think we need to update that lore doc of yours

[frigid tinsel]

Baud is well aware the doc needs updating, pinging them isn't gonna make them update it ASAP. he has his own life and he's busy

[keen shore]

FINALLY. AFTER 84 YEARS 🎉

[raw crypt]

BESTIES WAKE UP

[snow cosmos]

THIS IS NOT A DRILL

[white junco]

OH MY GOD

[hollow sun]

huh

[lean kayak]

Hmm THOUGHTS???

[gentle jolt]

Bear at the precipice may refer to the king’s mask up top?

[slim plume]

I AM A POETRY NERD HOLD ON

DEEP THONK

[snow cosmos]

i'm so normal rn

[frigid tinsel]

The stars under fathomless weight
They refer to the Elders as stars

[keen shore]

probably more likely it just means it’s on top of the Eden mountain !

[raw crypt]

OH NO MY POEM COMPILATION NREAKS 2000 CHARACTERS should i take out the discord links to the poem messages

[keen shore]

the unseen fractures part… I wonder if it means flaws in the diamond that were ignored or like… interpersonal fractures bt the elders crumbling because now they’re all dead and it doesn’t matter … maybe both

[frigid tinsel]

Definition of precipice since it seems we need it

[keen shore]

OKAY GOOD POINT it’s probably referring to both the mountain & the dangerous situation I would assume

[raw crypt]

UPDATE JUST HAD TO SWAP SOME WORDS IT ALL FITS

BUT MAN

[white junco]

on the precipice of losing it rn

[keen shore]

the reaching to light and dark part… maybe that’s why it pulled in crabs and krill as well

[eternal totem]

Ooh it's here

[snow cosmos]

this bit is really intriguing me too, like maybe the elders were trying to use the diamond to harness both light and darkness

[keen shore]

the

carrying memory of all that was held in the final moment of shattering
part does seem to imply thats when all the other memories took place as well, like they’re not chronological over a long span of time

[gentle jolt]

I wonder if that’s why the stone malfunctioned, they got greedy and tried incorporating dark creatures

[raw crypt]

WOOO EDEN BLEW UP SKY CLOSED FPREVER CANONIZED

[keen shore]

YEAH BECAUSE OTHERWISE WHY WOULD IT SUCK IN DARKNESS TOO? Darkstone doesn’t seem to work like that. I mean. It could and we wouldn’t know somehow but it’s super unlikely

[frigid tinsel]

Reaching to light and to dark

[hollow sun]

you guys seem to have been anticipating this update

[daring chasm]

im just gonna watch yall explain this poem for me

[eternal totem]

My hands were coated in butter sorry

[white junco]

people were talking about there being layers to the diamond, maybe one bit was light and one was darkness? idk i’m trying to be normal

[keen shore]

Dropping the transcript here for quoting convenience

Unseen fractures crumble in the chasm
The stars under fathomless weight
Reaching to light and to dark
Carrying memory of all that was held
In the final moment of shattering ```

[raw crypt]

if diamonds were so good why dont we put a diamond into a diamond

SORRY I AM NOT HELPFUL RN JUST
A

[slim plume]

Reaching to light and to dark
Feels like the Elders were desperate to try and remedy and/or save themselves. That in their desperation, they tried to reach towards the Light (Megabird) and to the dark (perhaps the Eden diamond)

[opaque lotus]

"unseen fractures" implies their bonds with each other were breaking

[winter whale]

What is the last task at dawn?

[snow cosmos]

the stars under fathomless weight, reaching to light and to dark... to me this reads as the Elders were under so much pressure to do something or fix something that they resorted to this really extreme, risky solution that would involve pulling more than they could control

[keen shore]

yea? if darkstone is so cool then why didn’t they make a seq— [I am ripped to shreds by the shockwave]

[daring chasm]

GUYS GUYS GUYS GUYS DOES ANYONE KNOW THE MOVIE LAPUTA!! THE SIMILARITIES TO DARK STONES AND STUFF AHHHHHHHH

[eternal totem]

Are you asking about next season? (It translated to Dawn) please ask in #beta-season-test-chat

[opaque lotus]

it is very sad to me that the elders were fighting when they died :(

[keen shore]

YEAH THIS IS WHAT I THOUGHT TOO , & and also birdlems idea I didn’t realize until now , man

[torn eagle]

the poems here finally nice

[frigid tinsel]

I don’t think they were fighting each other — even if their relationships had crumpled, I think the Eden diamond corrupting could be a thing to temporarily unite them

[keen shore]

and also the wording of the line saying they crumbled in the dark like… none of that matters anymore kind of idea, somehow more devastating
imagined it more like… stresses between them, forced to work together but don’t trust each other

[white junco]

maybe physically crumbling then?

[winter whale]

Broke season

[snow cosmos]

could also be a more direct, like, fissures or imperfections in the diamond itself opening up under the strain of the power it was being used to harness

[gentle jolt]

It could be considering the state of some of their masks, but it’s kinda hard to tell what’s crumbling and what’s low res structures

[frigid tinsel]

Idk what you mean

[winter whale]

Broke season

[white junco]

shattering?

[frigid tinsel]

Mate no idea what you’re on about

[hollow sun]

destroyed season

[slim plume]

Bare at the precipice
Could also be a play on words. "Bare" being either exposed or unafraid, whether that be of oneself or of another. "The precipice" could be a metaphor in the same way that the myth of Icarus is to us. They climbed too high, reached too far and still wanted to go further. But once you reach the summit, you do not reach for the sun

[winter whale]

yesyes

[white junco]

i love sky i love how everything has 17 layers of different meaning

[frigid tinsel]

Shattering did destroy a lot of skykids’ mental health and physical well-being

[torn eagle]

What is the chasm being referred here? a literal chasm within the mountain or a chasm between the elders (or someone)?

[white junco]

knowing this game, probably both

[eternal totem]

I wonder if spirits from post-apocalyptic seasons help them navigate the shards better

[frigid tinsel]

Or just left entirely — no shards land at Treasure Reef and it’s pretty far out

[pastel brook]

We ask everyone to please post only in English on this server, @winter whale. Unfortunately, moderators and staff aren't able to support all the languages spoken by our global Sky family.

[frigid tinsel]

Linlin, I think you should go to #questions-and-help

[winter whale]

I want to know where is the entrance of crushing season.