lore-discussion-spoilers

[keen shore]

What did you think the catapult in wasteland was for…

[real mortar]

How did they get up to the observatory already

[white junco]

that second bit looks to be supported by murals in the isle temple

[floral grove]

I thought that was to scare misbehaving children

[frigid tinsel]

wouldn’t work, skykids like being yeeted

[keen shore]

YEAH that’s what made me think of it! I think it is a very sweet idea, I think it is also sweet to imagine that it’s behind dusks temple because they’re supposed to be protecting it

[white junco]

maybe they wanted to but couldn’t? they seem to be chasing these dark plants & the wl. and then there’s the poem that goes with this memory

And swept into its snare
A familiar glow that hid
Nothingness in its wake```

[real mortar]

sky kid go sploot

also ever since the introduction of helicopter dark plants all I can imagine is young sky kids without their capes yet using the helicopter plants to hover, you know, before the desolation of the kingdom and the yeetage of our ancestors who would watch us enjoy playtime
isn't canon at all since we have zero evidence of this, but it's a nice thought

[waxen quest]

Advanced technology

[real mortar]

do you think the void of shattering had a "human" form ever, like how does it have access memories?

[white junco]

no, i don't think it was ever a person. the memories are inside the shards, i think the guide is just there to help us access them

[floral grove]

Where are these memory poems located? This is my first time seeing one

[white junco]

we have two of them so far, they get posted on twitter and in #vault-of-socials

[nimble ingot]

There has been only 1 (or two if you count the other). [spoiler for eden]
||The eden void and the lonesome winged light in the home void (you meet this figure should you die outside of eden, yet you collect this light each time you are reborn).||

[waxen quest]

||what's home void?||
Also why didn't I just edit previous message but deleted it instead

[floral grove]

The void you go to if you ||died but not while in PNR||

[real mortar]

pity room

[waxen quest]

Oh ok, I thought raider only meant ||the figure when talking about death||

[real mortar]

Are all the voids connected then, like one big afterlife space? cause there's the shattering void which takes us to the two memories and there's the pity void and the after pnr void?

do we have to spoiler eden content here?

[floral grove]

There's also Cackling Cannoneer's void after they got eaten

[real mortar]

I FORGOT ABOUT THAT HELL

[floral grove]

Every void is personalized

[white junco]

(also no, we don't need to spoil eden content here)

[real mortar]

uwu personalised voids

[waxen quest]

That's actually my headcanon. Voids being everyone's personal spiritual room where their true self or memories reside

[floral grove]

There are two minor differences between the memory void and any of the death voids. In the memory void, there is a ring of rocks floating really high up and there is fog in the ground while none of those exist in any of the other death voids

[real mortar]

I've tried reaching the donut at the top but I've never managed

[frigid tinsel]

Actually post-Eden limbo has darkness flakes that rise

[rigid mural]

snacks

[floral grove]

The dust coming to trigger my allergies after I clean my desk:

[nimble ingot]

Home void spoiler (not major)
||A dark space that you arrive in upon losing all of your light, while not in Eden. It is similar to how you end up in Eden with the light kid, however in its place is a lone Winged Light. This is the same winged light you collect upon rebirth, which grants you the one winged light needed to return to the realms (either brought back to life, or retroactively reborn to a lesser extend). ||

[frigid tinsel]

Darkness flakes in frozen memories do not move but are positioned in a swirl

Yes, this was something I noticed and took recordings of.

[rigid mural]

Eden has these swirls but in movement

[white junco]

interesting thing about the home void, actually, when you collect that wl your skykid does the same animation that they do whenever they receive a gift of light (buying cosmetics, unlocking stuff on friendship trees, etc etc)

[real mortar]

everyday kids see eerie specs in the distance and everyday they just think about eating them

[frigid tinsel]

Had to double check, you’re right

My head is full of air rn

[real mortar]

the true elder of eden is donut swirls

[graceful oasis]

Eden is the storm of death we wish to lick.

[floral grove]

Lick the salt of Eden and you get Black Chlorination Syndrome

[keen shore]

I don’t know if it was a glitch or not, but last Eden trip I went with my friends, and while I was in limbo I could see their stars breaking outside. Basically confirmed limbo is inside the Diamond for me

[frigid tinsel]

it could be a glitch. I remember when I was doing the final Abyss quest with Echo and when we were separated to the dark room, I could still see her active chat.

[floral grove]

Sky Kids uses telepathy, which is interpreted as honks, in communication confirmed /hj

[frigid tinsel]

every time we enter limbo (dying, Abyss final quest), we are falling. when we enter frozen memories of the Void of Shattering's space, we are still upright and standing.

[keen shore]

We can also leave super easily too… I’m pretty sure they’re in the same place due to their extreme visual similarities, maybe we just leave easier because the way we enter allows us to go in without dying?

Like, the void teleports us there, giving us a fast way in and out

[frigid tinsel]

granted the instances I mentioned us falling into Eden is always by force, if you get what I mean – dying, being swallowed. the frozen memories and Void of Shattering space we enter intentionally by meditation.

[floral grove]

The shattering void could be us accessing our subconscious minds. We meditate when we wanna enter and leave the place. Though, I don't know how the cosmetics we get from the blobs materialize once we leave the place

[keen shore]

I disagree with that personally because the memories we see there are stuff we wouldn’t have seen before, and would otherwise have no way of knowing about

[frigid tinsel]

as Salem said, if the frozen memories and Void of Shattering space is within someone's mind, I do not think it is the skykids' since the memories are depicting things skykids have never witnessed. consider the darkness seedlings – we have never encountered those before.

I think the frozen memories are within the Void of Shattering because it reappears after clearing the darkness around red shards. we meditate in front of it enter frozen memories. likewise, perhaps the light that was contained in the memories is escaping, whether manifesting as darkness plants and crabs or in the fragments of light we collect after cleansing enough darkness. the frozen memories then are the Void of Shattering's recollection of that light.

so if we are in someone's minds, it could be within the Void of Shattering's.

[fair knot]

I love your ideia ... I'm not good with english, but If we think about it all creature light comes from the same place and even the ancestors and skykids share something in common, being fallen stars ... I dont remember who said it, but someone shared here that light has memory, and if that is true everything under the subject of memory falls under the concept of Collective unconscious

[river urchin]

"Collective unconscious" ... "We are Sky, prepare to be assimilated, resistance is futile."

[lyric echo]

i have a genuine question and idk if it hasnt been answered or not, why do skykids wear masks?

[frigid tinsel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lyric echo]

no theories though?

[frigid tinsel]

skykids could be wearing masks to appeal to the ancestors, though that bears that question of why ancestors wear masks. the best answer is that it is likely a cultural thing, which doesn't leave a lot to go off of

[floral grove]

There's a theory that masks help them see because they open their eyes when they wear them

[sharp lichen]

Because it’s cool

But seriously, there isn’t much else. Strangely enough, masks are arguably the least important cosmetic lore-wise

[floral grove]

Props:

[limber trail]

mask could also be some sort of protection to their face, I don't know. Masks don't seem to break, and a skykid without a mask looks more fragile in my opinion. Maybe I'm digging too deep though

[floral grove]

Mask break, Abys spirits have shattered masks. They're sturdy but I don't believe they're indestructible

[sharp lichen]

Wdym, tables are amazing! They’re the first prop to sell 1 tablillion dollars

@limber trail I’m not sure, since Skykids by themselves are already near-indestructible, excluding Eden

[floral grove]

One reason why our masks might seem unbreakable is because they're probably made of light. We can change our masks instantly and out of thin air. The masks Ancestors wore were real physical objects made of stone so they break

[lyric echo]

oohh

those are some good theories xD

[rigid mural]

Do you think the masks could be a way to have a wider range on how they look like ? If you want to be a kitty you can wear an animal mask like sassy drifter's !
Maybe this could also go with spirits having no gender, blank slates are so much easier to customize.

[keen shore]

I have a question for this chat that I have been rolling around for ages. Do you think ancestors can be trans?

My vote is yes bc physical dysphoria would probably still exist on some level, but since they wouldn’t need to socially transition, all they’d have to do is alter their bodies. I am curious to see other peoples thoughts on this

[white junco]

I think ancestors can be trans but i'm biased bc i'm trans and i think trans people are really cool

[keen shore]

Same I am also biased bc I’m trans and I think trans people are really cool

[rigid mural]

I think an ancestor would support trans rights, I don't think their culture has a gender binary to deviate from but they'd identify with some human concepts.

[raw crypt]

some of my ocs r somehow sooo transgender even if not gendered i dont know how to explain it so the same applys to ancestors

[keen shore]

This is a really interesting mental dilemma for me because it’s hard to tell how much physical dysphoria is intertwined with social dysphoria irl. Like, if genders didn’t exist, would people still feel physical dysphoria at all, or would they just not register it as a thing

[keen shore]

TRUE, lamplighter is a huge example of this for me. Also assembly guide and praying acolyte

[rigid mural]

"Wants to grill" is what you say of a spirit when you suspect they are transmasc but hasn't cracked yet.

[keen shore]

Manta whisperer saw performance guide once and is now slowly realizing somethings up…

[rigid mural]

Manta Whisperer sweating when they see Performance guide living their best life.

[keen shore]

performance guide, laidback pioneer, and cackling cannoneer, certified egg breakers

[rigid mural]

Forest Elder too, they crack eggs for days.

[keen shore]

Rain does not crack eggs, they knock them off the edge of a counter to shatter on the floor

[rigid mural]

Sweeping eggs off their feet...

[keen shore]

My egg was already cracked long before I started playing, but I think if it hadn’t been, light whisperer would’ve solved that.

[frigid tinsel]

since gender is separate from physical bodies, it could be possible. though that bears the question of whether ancestors were a dimorphic species or what bodily characteristics, if removed from gender coding, could cause them dysphoria. it is certainly still possible, it just wouldn't be gender dysphoria. their dysphoria would be more because their body doesn't develop in the way their mind maps it out, thus would need transition care to amend their bodies how they want.

I have some transhumanist thoughts that sorta applies to Vela's question on why ancestors wear masks. ancestors could still have ways they want to present themselves but would require body augmentation. masks could be a way to customize their appearance, but when it comes to their physical body, outside of gender, they could have a range of what they want to look like and how they could transform their bodies to meet their identity

[rigid mural]

My gender is elder bird, that's why I cosplay my OC Birdkeeper.

Wait that's technically a fursona

[raw crypt]

congrats on the fursona!

[rigid mural]

Trans People 🤝 Furry Ancestors

[keen shore]

YEAH THATS WHAT I WAS THINKING. ancestor body types visibly vary a LOT more than skykids, which might be an in game thing, but combined with the scattered evidence for them working like skykids and possibly having clay shells like them (like shivering trailblazers memoru where the rain makes them lose their hair,), makes me think that maybe they were a lot more capable of altering their bodies easily than we are as humans. Although to be fair, since we only see their spirits, this could be limited to their spirits and not whatever their physical bodies looked like

[frigid tinsel]

granted we don't know the range of ancestors' self-identification, just that it doesn't include gender. they may see the characteristics we irl ascribe gender onto with an utterly different category we couldn't conceive of. gender transitioning falls under the transhumanist belief that people should be able to augment their bodies however they see fit rather than maintaining their "natural" bodies as is. ancestors could have also had some transhumanist ideals in their culture.

[keen shore]

[Rapidly begins to shake my own hand]

[cyan current]

What if the weird thing on our chest is actually where a ceremonial dagger stabbed us during some ritual and the elders where powerful people who sacrificed themselves ?

[rigid mural]

it's ok I can shake your hands

[keen shore]

Do we each grab each other’s hands and just start jiggling?

[rigid mural]

discovered dance lvl 3 emote where we do that and prance around in circles

[white junco]

can we hold hands in a circle and spin around and maybe summon something

[rigid mural]

Manifesting pioneer TS like this

[white junco]

we could try to summon Vela's furso- I mean the elder bird

[rigid mural]

SPADE YOU ABSOLUTE GENIUS

[frigid tinsel]

The light is our flame. You’ll notice it disappears when we hold out our red candle — that’s also our flame. I see it as a constant power source to keep skykids animate. Skykids are just born with it

[keen shore]

Oh yeah I also agree with this! Given the existence of stuff like height spells, it definitely makes sense that ancestors were not only willing to, but also capable of transforming their bodies to a degree humans wouldn’t be able to reach. Whatever characteristics they might ascribe gender to [although I like to believe they just don’t have it, and only physical dysphoria would exist instead] would probably be just as easily changeable on a whim.

Also because of height spells. Enchantment guide says trans rights

[white junco]

enchantment guide T dealer

[frigid tinsel]

Yeti macrodosed on T to get that big and furry

[rigid mural]

Enchantment guide where did you store the hormones

[keen shore]

“Hope you enjoy… your gender” — enchantment guide

[white junco]

using the colored lights to trans my gender

[cyan current]

What if when we go into ||orbit|| we are actually trying to ascend, but are in an endless loop of revival and death and the krill are actually sky kids who fell into despair?

[keen shore]

So we finally know why the prophets are so tall, they’re all just trans

[frigid tinsel]

Nah they took more height potions than the recommended dosage

[rigid mural]

"Nice gender, where did you get it from ?"
"My dealer won't tell me."

[keen shore]

Whenever you get a colored light quest, you are gathering hormones for someone, hope this helps

[white junco]

prophecy guide is trans

[frigid tinsel]

Skykids providing transition healthcare, bless

Omg lightseekers were the suppliers, they sought out light too

[rigid mural]

Tbf I don't think that in a world where you can change your appearance as easily as clothes would leave much room for dysphoria since light is so malleable change is common, but maybe ancestors stopped being this fluid when they ran out of light...

[white junco]

nooo the gender fluid

[frigid tinsel]

Eden calamity aka the Great Dysphoria

[rigid mural]

Politely asking pioneer if they can spare some gender.

[white junco]

[transforms into pioneer]

[rigid mural]

That's how they multiply.

[keen shore]

Yeah I agree! Of course that starts a whole debate on ancestor physiology, but honestly even if it is kinda human esque, the spells are enough evidence for me that their appearance is relatively fluid. But also, since the only body altering ones we have access to yet are potions, I wonder if trans ancestors would’ve had to take them regularly to keep their favored appearance

Holding myself back from making a joke about putting colored lights in the water to turn the ancestors trans

[rigid mural]

HORMONE SHOTS REAL

[cyan current]

Anyone want to theorize why we have masks?

[white junco]

they probably had longer lasting things, the height potions we have are just to be silly and have fun, not for gender

[keen shore]

Enchantment guide would give us the permanent ones, but they need them because they are also trans.

[rigid mural]

Some masks are sooo gender tbh, absolutely not blaming them.
Al had this cool idea in hir fic where ze shows ancestors use masks as physical and emotional protection.

[keen shore]

Rock that gives you dysphoria

[frigid tinsel]

If ancestors were physically different from skykids, the spells might be attuned for ancestor physiology and not as effective on skykids.

[keen shore]

Enchantment guide panicking because a skykid took the potion that makes you grow a ton of hair (bearhug hermits potion)

[white junco]

skykid hormones when

[cyan current]

I have a theory that us sky kids were part of a c*lt

[rigid mural]

[white junco]

i really like how personalized the masks are, i mix them around with some of my characters (vault elder headpiece + doublefive mask patterns) but i like that the ancestors had such a range of expression with them. like they hide your facial expressions but they also share something about you to everyone around you

[keen shore]

I would also assume that appearance as spirits is even more fluid, because they seem to be made up of almost entirely light. Imagining a spirit meeting their friend and realizing that, although they recognized them immediately due to flame reasons, they look completely different than how they did… and are happy for them!

[rigid mural]

Anyway I unfortunately don't share the majority's opinion that ancestors are organic, bit I like to think their whole shtick is being fluid like the light, but darkness kinda corrupts them slowly and impedes their ability to change. To a being of light, being unable to change is against its nature to grow, explore and evolve.

[white junco]

rejecting voyager: oh hey pointing pilgrim, it's been a while
pc: actually i've been going by pointing candlemaker lately

[keen shore]

pilgrim to candlemaker transgender (ptc)

[white junco]

the transgender effects of the isle of dawn

[keen shore]

I doubt this would work for living ancestors, but I wonder if spirits can choose what age to project their spirits as, or if they have to be the age they died at. Like for example, maybe hide and seek pioneer managed to live to adulthood, but they were happier as a kid and had more happy memories associated with that age so they chose to return to it

Or like, tearful light miner almost definitely lived a while longer than their friends who died in the cave in, but they stayed that age as a spirit so that their friends would recognize them

[rigid mural]

Some people had a similar theory for assembly scouts !

[keen shore]

I mean, if spirits are entirely light and light is super changeable like how our cosmetics are, it should be possible

[shrewd sundial]

Eden spoilers ahead, proceed with caution
Since the realms in sky represent each stage of life, and ||after eden, you die and go through orbit and stuff, and orbit would be the afterlife and you’re being reincarnated when you’re reborn maybe perhaps you were never alive after you first went through Eden, and you’re simply unaware that you’re dead which is why you’re not blue like a spirit.|| And the spirits are trying to lead you through your own memories throughout the life you lived in different bodies.

[frigid tinsel]

To elaborate, ancestor culture in my ficverse view their faces as more private parts of themselves. They wear masks in public and around strangers but can go maskless around people they trust such as close friends, family, or partners. For emotionally intimate moments they could take their masks off, such as to show they’re being sincere and honest.

I like the idea that masks were a means of expression, so if the ancestors didn’t closely align with their face, they wore a personalized mask to express themselves as they wanted to be seen.

[keen shore]

Mellow musician really likes their mask because they managed to modify the eye shape so that no one can tell when they are secretly sleeping

[rigid mural]

You're gonna enjoy the short story "The Egg" by Andy Weir a lot ! I like the idea skykids are reincarnated ancestors or light creatures too :]

[cyan current]

If that’s the case, I wonder if her friends were never to come back and she just sits there, weeping in sorrow. She might actually know they aren’t coming back and believing they would is a coping mechanism

[fair knot]

Ohhh I love it O.O ❤️

[white junco]

all we see is one moment. there's no way to predict what happened during the rest of their life. but i like to think they reunited with their friends in the stars

[keen shore]

“She?”

Also, considering we ascend spirits and see them again in Orbit… I like to think it’s possible that friendgroups like that can meet again. I mean, if they’re both spirits and Orbit is where spirits go, it makes sense.

[frigid tinsel]

Same, I think that the aftermath of the Eden calamity separated ancestors from each other. Skykids freeing them from darkness and ascending them allows them to reunite in the Light

[cyan current]

Idk I’m just theorizing and maybe the spirits including the tearful miner just go to the stars 🤷‍♀️

[keen shore]

There are some reunions that you can see. A handful of seasons revolve around them (enchantment, assembly, all first four seasons, and so on) and in the fifth quest of performance you can see the twins reunite <3

So it is most likely that it extends to all ancestors as well, we just don’t see them all because they don’t invite us

[rigid mural]

Ancestors showing their vulnerable flawed faces to someone they trust,,,

[white junco]

the ancestors don't invite us to their minigolf tournaments 😔

[frigid tinsel]

Relevant fic excerpts

[shrewd sundial]

I wonder if the spirits are the previous bodies that the sky kids lived in throughout the years, or maybe the spirits are the OG skykids that died in eden and became the statues that we have to give our WL to so they can come back and save us

[keen shore]

Okay now for ANOTHER question that I wanted to ask. Circling back to the whole trans question. Do you all think it’s possible for elders to be trans?

They definitely seem visually similar to humans from what we can tell, so it might be that their appearance isn’t nearly as fluid as ancestors’, but they’re so powerful I feel like they’d be able to change that anyways

[white junco]

daleth is trans it's canon tgc told me so

[rigid mural]

Sah is trans 🏳️‍⚧️

[frigid tinsel]

Gestures at Sunset. Perhaps

[white junco]

prairie elder's gender is daylight

[shrewd sundial]

Performance guide is a trans guy

[white junco]

oh hey me too

[cyan current]

I wonder if there is a group that still worships king of ||eden||?

[frigid tinsel]

Skykids and ancestors seem not the same species — we don’t even know if skykids can grow up like ancestors can.

Though there is a thought that skykids are reincarnated ancestors or could even be reincarnated light creatures.

[keen shore]

I have to wonder how that works. Because even when they’re almost drained of light, they’re still there and can do stuff, unlike us in Eden, implying they’re more… idk solid? And less light based. Like… how would an elder transition? Would they have to take hormones? Would they use spells like ancestors? Does their body just instantly transform or something

[white junco]

they go to orbit and ask megabird for hormones

[rigid mural]

The emote help menu calls the ancestors ours !

[white junco]

on a similar note, the old (now archived) sky website used to refer to other skykids as "our loved ones"

[keen shore]

I think you could use purple and red lights to mess with appearance so much, so now I am going to say that both night and dawn are trans, because I want to.

[frigid tinsel]

If their bodies are made of some earthen material like ash or charcoal, could they use green light since that’s associated with earth?

[cyan current]

Maybe skykids are missing children that d!ed

[rigid mural]

Eating isle dust bc gender

[white junco]

you are like the third person to randomly bring this topic up to me i want you to know that

[keen shore]

OOOOO THAT MAKES SENSE…. I like to think elders are made out of ash. Like the remnants of a flame that has gone out, but would start up again with enough power. So green light could definitely work.

[shrewd sundial]

I wonder why we always stay in roughly the same form. We’re always “kids” or that we can’t grow up. Maybe we’re children of the spirits, and we’re in heaven going through each stage of life watching over our parents from the past, present, and future and seeing their memories. And we gain the cosmetics from them because those are the traits and genes we inherited from them, or were supposed to inherit from them. Maybe the spirits aren’t actually spirits at all, but that’s how we see them because we’re not on earth

[rigid mural]

Setting the elders on fire to ascend them back to the stars

[keen shore]

In the state they’re in, they’re drained of a lot of light and can’t do much, like a fire burning low [nudging my headcanon about them projecting different forms with more light] but with enough light they jsut go fwooooosh power time

[keen shore]

You joke but I like to imagine Dusk has orange light for scenarios like this. Keeping their friends and ancestors alive because light seems to heal stuff in this universe is heavily connected with life … but ended up having to use it for destruction instead

[white junco]

orange light is like the one light we don't really see much action from. the other lights are used to restore the ark, but orange light? it just kinda flies around & then the spirits ascend

[keen shore]

It does summon light creatures! I wonder if wasteland was once super populated with light creatures of all kinds because of orange light…

Wasteland filled with jellyfish…

[cyan current]

Yeah I agree , but why so many de@d children tho. If we take ever sky player and count how many are there, that’s a lot of de@d children 😨

[fair knot]

Where I can find the colors of light in Sky, and their meanings?

[rigid mural]

I can't find my colorful elders thing but Salem remember that theory with the colored lights

[shrewd sundial]

Adding onto this, perhaps if the elders can see us, I wonder if the elders were able to see spirits, which is why we’re able to interact with the elders

[white junco]

buddy you can say 'dead' in skycord it's ok

[keen shore]

MY ENCHANTMENT THEORY, I LOVE IT SO MUCH. SCARECROW HAS THE TRANS ELDER LIGHT

[cyan current]

Good to know

[keen shore]

Considering one of their jobs is to ascend spirits, it would be really weird if they couldn’t

[shrewd sundial]

I’d also like to hear your guys’ theories on starlight desert!

[rigid mural]

They need therapy

[white junco]

especially after all the shards

[fair knot]

AHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA

[raw crypt]

gay and trans all of them

[shrewd sundial]

Definitely. Performance guide is definitely gay and trans, and obviously was a theater kid.

[cyan current]

What if the elders are cursed to stay trapped in the kingdom of sky while they watch the spirits ascend, since I don’t think there are replacements for them

[keen shore]

My theory is that vault is just Like that

[white junco]

trans?

[raw crypt]

yeah, mix blue and pink and u get ourple

[rigid mural]

Meanwhile Abyss spirits need a bath

[frigid tinsel]

I might have them, hold on

[frigid tinsel]

I treasure these

[rigid mural]

IF NOBODY GOT MY BACK ALASDAIR GOT MY BACK

[keen shore]

I KNOW RIGHT THEYRE SO GOOD I TREASURE THEM SO MUCH

[shrewd sundial]

I also have a theory that the realms could also potentially represent emotions that come with the stages of life. Isle of dawn being a completely blank slate, taking in new information constantly. prairie representing happiness and childhood. Forest representing the depressed teenagers of the world; hence the rain being the first dark element of the game. Valley being the freedom you have that comes with adulthood which is why there are 5 locations hidden within valley (village of dreams, performance stage, citadel, the rink, and the end of the race). Wasteland representing the fear of dying that comes later in adulthood, but before you’re considered to be of old age. (Think 40’s-50’s) And then vault relating to old age and being considered wise (hence why it’s called vault of KNOWLEDGE) and Eden representing the pain of losing someone or going through someone dying. And orbit being a chance for a new beginning, being reborn.

[frigid tinsel]

I think you would like these concept pieces

[shrewd sundial]

MIDLIFE CRISIS LMAO

[keen shore]

maturity is when there are two of you

[shrewd sundial]

LMAO

Let’s also not forget the headphones teenager can be found in the forest

[floral grove]

Tfw they're surrounded by water yet still need a bath

[rigid mural]

I don't think seawater is great to take a bath in !

[frigid tinsel]

Salt water can dehydrate you

[keen shore]

Drying them out like the raisin…

[quartz wyvern]

Might sound random but, How is the crabs at sanctuary harmless tho?

Unlike the crabs at golden wasteland ☠️

Not the ones inside cave btw

[raw crypt]

It’s likely crabs are easily affected by their surrounding environment, especially seen that crabs become greatly more agressive at shard events, the ones in wasteland are constantly surrounded by darkness and could be seeking out light similar to how dark dragons do, while the ones in the sun are content being in direct light/sunlight

[quartz wyvern]

Ohh so it’s like they were searching for light?

[frigid tinsel]

Passive crabs don’t have darkness flakes on them whereas aggressive ones do

[raw crypt]

oh yeah i completely forgot abt that, ik i felt like i was missing smth, its likely the whole being afflicted by darkness, which is making them hostile, we know dragons seek light but not sure abt crabs, i think theyre just fighty guys <3

[quartz wyvern]

Fighty guys lol

[pastel brook]

why does nobody ask for me?

[tepid veldt]

say that dark dragons were the same..would they become light dragons in places like prairie?

[quartz wyvern]

I would love to see their friendlier version for sure ☠️

[tepid veldt]

actually i remember making a story abt that, i called them golden dragons and they were chill
and then one of them met a dark crab or smth and tainted them all- it was weird

[quartz wyvern]

Interesting, I mean we already got passive crab, a golden dragon….how would they look like?

[tepid veldt]

originally i thought of them to be white with golden eyes (hence the name golden dragon) but considering that even crabs simply turn a lighter shade of gray, it probably wouldnt play out like that
krills are fully black so perhaps a gray? probably something more drastic

[quartz wyvern]

And one thing for sure they don’t bonk skykids 💪🌝

[pastel brook]

I'm watching you, @sly lake

[quartz wyvern]

[wooden hazel]

what if we elaborate on this and say that skykids were never alive in the first place and are just spectators of an old world, maybe from a storytelling perspective. we can go even further than that and suggest that the world of sky is telling a story to a nonexistent skykid and rebirth is the game's way of telling us that "we're ready to experience life" or something like that

[bronze arch]

I need woolly manta, Lorechat.

[frigid tinsel]

here

wooly manta started in lorechat

[tepid veldt]

ah
sorry bout that, i dont come here that often

[bronze arch]

Thank you.

[fierce urchin]

• i have a theory for the winged spirits; so we can see that the ancestors can still fly without their wing, but there r some who do have them. what if the winged ancestors were the high roled? (another dum theory by me)

[keen shore]

I’m still honestly shocked by how far wooly mantas spread, I remember when they were just a little baby doodle

[fierce urchin]

• i also have another theory; the environment of the realms kind of say something, i wanna say it. (i think),the Elders did something to protect their realms, and that affected it, so what if the less damaged realms = a bigger hit by the elders? (COUGHSWJJEJEO)

[frigid tinsel]

ancestors can't fly, even the ones with capes. they could fly with boats pulled by mantas or powered by power diamonds, but they couldn't fly on their own

[floral grove]

Ceasing Commodore (he dried up from salt water)

[sharp lichen]

it is unfortunate, possibly because it's just so far down that not much people see it. If it's like near the #sky-memes or #questions-and-help section I'd be happier

[turbid valve]

Are all the spirits in Sky dead?

[unique dagger]

Where is it? I like to calculated my skykid height

[green pine]

Not sure, it might not be in the home island anymore

If you can find a good reference point to stand next to, take a screenshot of yourself next to it, and another while wearing the chibi mask

From there, it’s just a bit of picture editing and math

[opaque lotus]

so there’s a spirit in forest called the dismayed hunter and my question is- what did they hunt? they carry a bow and arrow and appear to be hunting when their memory is relived- so what on earth do they hunt??

[floral grove]

Crabs pronanly. There are crabs in Forest running around and there are crabs being cooked so they probably wanted to hunt them down for food

[graceful oasis]

Crabs are the ultimate food source, other then pure fire.

[calm jay]

unless there's some creatures we haven't seen yet that used to inhabit the sky kingdom, i'm guessing mantas. mantas are pretty big compared to other common fauna and can provide a substantial meal, whereas birds and crabs won't fill much on their own. the bow seems kind of flimsy and probably wouldn't penetrate the shell of a crab (they seem sturdy). crabs aren't found in that part of the forest anyway and neither are krill, though i don't suppose dismayed hunter can take down a krill by themself only armed with a bow. there's the possibility they could be hunting birds, though in their memory they are aiming close to the ground. there are butterflies around in that area but. i don't see how hunting butterflies with bows and arrows could be an effective way of taking one down. also i don't think they would eat butterflies.

[next terrace]

Unrelated i love the crab shoulder boi ive named mine after my lama tea strainer Gregory

[rare walrus]

Hey so ||I wanna know what happened to the king||

[tardy whale]

Hey lore chat, I have noticed something with the shattering guide. There is a smaller crystal inside of it I took screenshots of the red and spirit version. Since the 3D model is probably the same for the eden rock and the guide, is there anything interesting to pull out of it?

The red guide is hard to see

[rare walrus]

||I don't know if anyone already said this theory but

I believe the memories in SOshattering are the memories of eden's creation
Or are the memories of the king before vanishing||

[nimble ingot]

Following what happened in the lore for Light Awaits, the King became corrupted and massive explosion in Eden brought on the corruption and the darkness.
In the current lore of the game, the story seems to follow a similar trend, though with the King missing and little in game lore to explain what may have happened, we can deduce that a catastrophic disaster took place in Eden and it persist to this day in the world of Sky.

[haughty talon]

Why did it involve a massive crystal
why is it red
why was the crystal in eden
Did elders become aware of it at the last minute

Why did it blast

Sooo many questions!

Why is the mountain suddenly erupting shards now... Why didn't any elder come and assist us as we had revived(kind of?) spirits of elders and other normal folks?

[floral grove]

Potential spoilers for Legend of Zelda: BoTW

Eden probably has a similar situation as Hyrule Castle in BoTW. In BoTW, it is revealed that ||Zelda is left inside Hyrule Castle in order to seal Ganon with magic and prevent him from escaping and spreading more malice to the world.|| Eden could have a similar situation wherein it would be the King himself trapped inside Eden who would use a sort of seal to prevent Darkness from spreading outside of Eden. His seal is either weak or waning down though because it's obvious that there are many places in Sky that got badly affected by Darkness (Forest with the rain, GW with the water pollution, and the dark plants scattered all around the kingdom)

[haughty talon]

Why is there no saddle on krills!?
(possibly not a lore question.. But 🤷)

[floral grove]

Because then there are people like me who will ride them and start steering them towards other players

[rare walrus]

So the season of shattering would be this seal breaking?

[floral grove]

Probably

[haughty talon]

Wasn't it already broken hence sky was destroyed of its people /ancestors?

[rare walrus]

Maybe

But perhaps that's how the king got sealed
It tried to save his people by sealing himself with the darkness but it was already too late

[haughty talon]

So he is the one shattered into pieces of WLs ? 🤔

So only his soul that's still in a kid form.. Stuck in the void (possibly another dimension where he is trapped since the initial blast)

[slim plume]

Possibly, it's not entirely known where he is. TGC said that his presence is in the game, just "not in the way we think." He could be the light kid we meet after we die in PNR, he could be the WL scattered around the world, us sky kids could even be remnants of him. It's uncertain and unknown. The lore is up to interpretation though!

[haughty talon]

From the isle of dawn murals in the first cave

It says many years have passed and we fall from sky... So possibly we are not from the king, rather another manifestation of the mega bird, sent to fix things... Like terminator (asta la vista baby)

[floral grove]

Plot twist: The hints we get in game is from the voice of the King, hence his symbol appears when the Light shows the way

He could even be the Light for all we know

[haughty talon]

He is The king may be the light of the sky! The light that came from mega bird and still trying to get back and merge (migrate) back to mega bird

[slim plume]

I don't think he's the Light, but to be fair it would make sense if he was the person speaking to us at the start. It'd be like he's calling to us to try free him from the diamond (headcanon)

[haughty talon]

May be like sky kids... For some reason, the king fell as a kid from sky(memory of one of the sprit is in dawn) and because of his powers with light, people celebrated him as king. His aim was to enrich the life of sky kingdoms? Show them the path back to mega bird? Etc? Then while attempting to himself first get to the mega bird (the eden light elevator) things went south

So current sky kids are sent again to see what went wrong and fix things. So we are the Mario of sky world, here to fix the plumbing that connected light from sky world to light above eden

[nimble ingot]

The likely answer is because it is the next season for skykids to experience.
As the game gets updates, players (new and old) experience the same series of events. Although newer skykids would need to catch up, whenever a new event takes place in the world of Sky, it does not discriminate between skykids. It is just a new chapter that is now revealed for skykids to explore and add to what has already taken place in the game.
For example, new spirits get to meet spirits of the past, while skykids witness this in the present.
It would be strange for spirits from past seasons were to meet spirits in future seasons. Unless the interaction implies that these events took place at the same time. But there lies the matter of skykids only learning of this once the future season reveals this.
When it comes to the game itself, it is a nice way of keeping spirits from past seasons relevant, as well as link all of the spirits together.

It is a headache, though one that gives a reasonable explanation to why the lore of sky is vague.
We just don't have all of the pieces, so we are stuck with a fragmented and incomplete picture.

[earnest briar]

I like to think there were wild Light boars and they were hunting one of those.

[haughty talon]

Well we do interact with spirits on a daily basis from hugging to tiger interactions, they coming for events happening in present, etc. So player interacting with spirits from past shouldn't be an issue for sky as such? Same goes for spirit interaction too - they are spirits what's stopping them from coming to present and helping sky kids alleviate the problems? Now that there are 1000s of sky kids giving light and restoring the world of sky...

[broken dock]

Why are crabs the only land animals (please ping if you respond) ?

@haughty talon maybe the light traps certain fragments in time, the way this season we can visit a moment in eden trapped in time, and when the spirits want to pass on, the light traps them. And were here as a combatant to the light to free those trapped by it

[sharp lichen]

(These are all my interpretations, don’t take them as canon)

It may be a massive Power Diamond, a resource you see throughout the game that absorbs light and opens doors.

It’s red because it’s corrupted by darkness, and it could’ve blasted since it was overloaded

[nimble ingot]

What Is more of a thins is how seasons as old as lightseekers can still interact with spirits as recent as the bloom spirit.

While, reasonably, this can happen with the game getting updates and now include these interactions.
When looking from a lore standpoint, one would wonder if the spirits have stuck around for all that time, or if the more recent spirits are interacting with spirits from the past as if no time had passed for the older spirits.

[nimble ingot]

There were concept art for deer.
Though with the current creatires jn the game are based marine animals. There are more creatures that would swim, than creatures that can go on land.

For instance, while the turtle in the game never intentionally goes on land, it can do so in theory.

[haughty talon]

I hope the game ends with a final season some day where we finally get to use the eden elevator properly... yeetingBeaming us to the orbit directly

[haughty talon]

May be. Because we see every spirit we freed floating in orbit.. Sans the elders. May be they are still stuck somewhere and we need to perform more activities to free them? Or would they forever be shepherds of light creatures?

[nimble ingot]

Pardon?
What eden elevator?

[nimble ingot]

Aside from the Elder cutscenes from their respective temples, [Orbit spoiler] ||we can see them physically in the Orbit||
||Which makes them on of the few physical ancient character skykids can meet in Sky. Other similar interactions include the Little Prince and the TGC Skykid staff, who can be considered to be meta (non-canon to the Sky world).||

[broken dock]

Yeah I thought about the turtle

[opal heart]

Does anyone know what type of creature the bones in the golden wastelands belong to?

[visual lichen]

Dragons or something bigger like the whale on the way to orbit

Who else has found this airplain at wind tunnels? Hahahahaha

[opal heart]

Lmao

[keen shore]

Probably mostly species that are now extinct, sadly. Almost all of the bones are larger than the whale ones in boneyard, and although one could belong to the elder manta in the sanctuary islands, most of them don’t visually match either. For instance, several of them resemble massive turtles, which we haven’t seen anywhere else — in fact, the only turtle in the game at all is the small one on sanctuary.

The poem released for season of shattering does mention “behemoths”, implying that large creatures were probably much more common before the disaster and refineries. Due to their size and power, they were probably targeted more than others because of how much darkstone they could charge. There’s probably a lot of elder creatures we’ve never seen because they’ve gone extinct due to this

In fact, it might also be the reason we see elder birds () as spirits like the rhythm cutscene one and character cards, but never living ones in game

[rigid mural]

The elder bird in the last Rhythm cutscene didn't have spirit colorations ! Stop saying they're dead, that's what TGC wants you to believe

[keen shore]

sometimes I can still hear it’s voice…

[tough coral]

question: is this a good channel to infodump about my Hypothetical (Definitely Never Going To Happen) Sky X Rain World crossover season? general chat is scary

[keen shore]

Considering the channel isn’t being used rn, I’d say go for it!

[tough coral]

before i begin, i must say that my intended vibe for this infodump is "i want you to imagine me with a big conspiracy corkboard, red yarn and everything".
with that, i shall unleash my Absolute Love Of Weird Crossovers, because rain world and sky have the EXACT opposite tone while still featuring a lot of the same concepts (cycle of death and rebirth, Cool Animals, etcetera etcetera)

so, season of... rain world? season of rain. there we go. This is my first time really coming up with a Hypothetical Season so i don't, like, have a full quest list but i DO have a bunch of concepts scraggling around

iterators as the spirits, an overseer as the seasonal guide. since they kinda can't have their Actual Names here im still kinda. Figuring out the spirit names bc i suck at the whole Verb-Noun thing.
Looks to the Moon as either... stargazing scholar or zoned-out scholar. Definitely scholar tho. Five Pebbles as.. apathetic something-or-other (engineer? biologist? i can't just use robot can i?), No Significant Harassment as. Okay this one has me stumped, uh... goofball something like i said not good at spirit names oh no i need a fourth one don't i-
The fourth spirit is either Seven Red Suns, Sliver of Straw or Grey Wind. I am hesitant to pick grey wind because they have exactly seven lines of dialogue and serve only to explain things for the other iterators but i am also severely biased towards grey wind

the season's area would be set in the hidden forest, and I know that'd make it the THIRD forest-based season but come on it's the hidden forest it rains there thats it's whole thing.
the area would be set up as like... a little prince style "multiple rooms in one area" situation (like how little prince has the empty desert towards eden and the jellyfish boat)

[raw crypt]

OHHH MY GOD OH MYD GOFF RAINDWPRLD 🤝🤝🤝🤝 YESSSS

[keen shore]

I WAS THINKING OF TAGGING U SLINK BUT I DIDNT WANT TO BOTHER U

[raw crypt]

I WAS ALSO THINKING OF CROSSOEVR SRASON IVE BEEN PLAYING IT SO MUCH LATELY, i wasnt sure what to do with the ‘spirits’ at first i was thinking taking an approach like shattering and having the spirits being like. pearls maybe, but ohhh the iterators are so good as spirits too, id table fp if i could still, for a fourth i like silver a lot but you could bump it to 6 and get all of em in

we r just little guys exploring a long dead civilization with a cycle of life and death and we’ve got some ascending to do …..

WEEPS 💕💕

[nimble ingot]

According to what the channel discussed in the past.
It is believed to have been a creature that is theorised to be called a Whurtle (Whale - Turtle Hybrid)

I take it back, just found out who was the first to call them that (It was Bricky)

[tough coral]

it'd sorta be a one spirit per room sorta deal, to fit with where each iterator is. the central hub would sorta be a mix of outskirts and industrial complex, with shoreline, farm arrays and shaded citadel having moon, nish and pebbles respectively. The whole region would have an on-and-off forest rain, but heavier, and the quests would mostly be fetch quests- except instead of "grab these things and come back" you'd be going to one spirit, getting something from them and taking it to another spirit like a little delivery guy

also the last quest would TOTALLY be eden
DARN IT I USED THE OFFICIAL NAME FOR THE BLUE OCTOPUS SPIDERS IN RAIN WORLD AND MY MESSAGE WAS EATEN

[raw crypt]

OOO

eden but void soup…..

[opal heart]

Lol that sounds interesting tysm

[raw crypt]

OH NO THE SPIDER GUYS FORBIDDEN….

[tough coral]

Okay retyping this bc the bot ate my message for calling the rot spiders by their more well known name.
The first quest would be taking the green pearl and neuron to moon, because Yeah. Another one after that would be a pearl from seven red suns to five pebbles (yknow... the pearl from the drought mod, because i think itd be neat) and then the immediate next quest would be to burn a bunch of darkness plants in the pebbles sub-area (the plants being a stand-in for Rot)

[raw crypt]

oho i just watxhed the drought mod yesterday, tyis is so good

[tough coral]

OH a later quest having you sneak past pebbles to steal neurons for moon- a whole stealth quest thing with, like... modified krill spotlights that send you back to the start if you get caught

since spirits always ascend at the final cutscene... the second-to-final quest has you go to every iterator in a specific order and get an item from them. You are not told what these items are.

[frosty sentinel]

Yeah...

[visual lichen]

OK, well Geraldine, mommy Krill of the abyss is a very massive creature, and is probably still alive because she was kept safe all these years in her cell. So indeed there were bigger creatures that existed, but you have to look at this now from a scientific stand piont. All creatures, well everything till the flowers and grass, are formed of light, and light up as you move past it. So the whole world of sky, including its wildlife would need light sources to survive, in this case simple sunlight. Then came the darkness, that devistated not just the world but the ecosystem as well. So major dents in light creature populations occurred over night. As with our skids, unless we replenish our light reserves they begin to die (loose light)
So the way I see it, is those huge creatures died off of hunger, after their food/light sorce was destroyed. Some places were untouched, which would explain elder manta, Geraldine the abyss monster, and turtle.

[tough coral]

And then the final quest starts with an edited version of the "west past the farm arrays" thing.
"Go forth past the Golden Wastes, and then up into the sky where the land stretches up, as far as you can reach, where the ancestors built their temples and danced their silly rituals. The light within you will let you through."
And so, your final quest is a trek through Eden, carrying a part of the Iterators alongside you, allowing them to cheat the cycle and ascend.

[raw crypt]

YESSS I LOVE THESE SOOO MUCH

feeling inspired to draw out some things,, rainworld my beloved itd work so well with sky also

[visual lichen]

Basically what I'm saying is no more ecosystem, no more wild life. But remember there are different ecosystems for different sized creature. For example, a human needs lots of air when they breath, as where an ant does not. Different size different ecosystem. If humans ecosystem failed, bugs would still survive.

[opal heart]

You know the smoke eye guys in fire trial? What are they called?

[raw crypt]

I find theyre often referred to as shadows since the emote is called that

[opal heart]

Ok tyyyy

[plain edge]

I don't know if this is considered lore but i had a thought and I was wondering where the cheering comes from when you start The Valley race

[cobalt palm]

Maybe they recorded cheering as part of the door opening mechanism in the power diamond above the twins statue

[frigid tinsel]

There’s a thought that the Sunset Elder(s) are projecting cheering for the skykids

[cedar musk]

so what do you think about the whole treasure reef map

was it ancient lab or maybe some sort of power station before everything got destroyed

[nimble ingot]

It had a mine shaft as well as it seems.

[graceful oasis]

Ancient lab for mining and doing some experiments…. Light extraction and other things……

[nimble ingot]

Also, Alani and Alasdair Baudshaw made an interesting discovery about that mural in the second image

[keen shore]

YEAH THIS IS MINE!! I think it’s less projection like how the memory lanterns work, and more like, a really masterful use of cyan light bc I like to think the elemental lights reflect in all the realms

[haughty talon]

We ascend from void room with lonely kid over a beam... I assume that beam that pulls you up should ideally work as a pulling force from top of eden itself. Where the BIG red crystal is currently...

[nimble ingot]

ah, I see.
Thanks for clarifying

[uneven grotto]

If eden crystals fall in a realm of Sky, but there is no one there to see it land, did it ever really happen?

[soft timber]

Yes

[haughty talon]

Also kind of reaffirming element: in the old Dawn cutscene showing murals, we used to see that sky above eden was connected to a big star above - then the animation changes when it says "then darkness fell" after that the connection goes away and we see clouds cover that connection

[frigid tinsel]

I did?

[nimble ingot]

Aw geez, I meant Baudshaw with their math.
My apologies, Alasdair

[frigid tinsel]

lorechat is starting to blend into an indistinguisable smoothie

[keen shore]

Ultimate Fruit smoothie…

[waxen quest]

A collection of the greatest minds on Earth merging into the perfect hivemind in order to solve lore of a game about moth people and their dead friends

[slim plume]

The worst part is is that it's true

[frigid tinsel]

drinking it would trans your gender

[sharp lichen]

It involves a whole lotta algebra

[keen shore]

Smoothie that steals your gender and fills your brain with incomprehensible thoughts that make you cry

[waxen quest]

Haha don't need it to have such thoughts 🤣 🤣 🤣 😭 😭 😭 😭

[graceful oasis]

Become Helicopter

[keen shore]

Hey I don’t get the joke, could you explain it please?

[graceful oasis]

Something involving Google giving you a gender option for your Google account. And you can have the choice not to pick any gender or come up with one. Like Helicopter. It’s suppose to be attac and Helicopter but it was block.

I don’t remember why I have it in my memory, but I just know it was a meme. And as a meme, it dies.

[keen shore]

Yeah, the whole identifying as a [x] helicopter thing was and still is a really infamous transphobic joke. it may not be the best one to make here

[frigid tinsel]

censor won't let me elaborate but that's a transphobic meme btw

[keen shore]

I say still is because stranphobes still make it and variations of it, it’s like the only joke they have

[waxen quest]

An image with genders and their symbols. They hid a helicopter in there

[frigid tinsel]

still transphobic

[waxen quest]

Not saying it isn't

[keen shore]

Due to its origins in transphobia (and honestly it never really came out of it…) a lot of people, myself included, really dislike the helicopter joke and its variations. You can probably find an in depth explanation on how it’s harmful online, although I’m not sure I’d need to explain given how easy it is to figure out

In any case, it’s not an appropriate joke to make here, ty for understanding

[graceful oasis]

Sorry I didn’t know…. Gosh darn it Why must some people be like that…..

[frigid tinsel]

bigots like to use even the most milquetoast words and phrases to cause harm, making marginalized folk feel uncomfortable day-to-day. while some stuff is being reclaimed (see: "fruity" for gay people), when they are still being actively used for harm, they still carry that harmful connotation.

[graceful oasis]

Ugh….. people sometimes….

[deep osprey]

My friend looked and said "You think it's a candle?"

[keen shore]

It could be a candle but it could also bemeant to represent the king! could even be both!

[graceful oasis]

……Everything in Sky secretly a Bell.

[frigid tinsel]

secretly? kinda obvious tbh

[graceful oasis]

A true bell stays still and hunts out the right time to ring the loudest…

[frigid tinsel]

and sometimes bells move around and keep clanging

[deep osprey]

Wow wrong channel I'm so sorry I thought I was with my friends giving them a guide on seasons

[trail cedar]

What are these

[frigid tinsel]

orbs of light. in Piggyback Lightseeker's spirit memories, you can see Piggyback, Rejecting Voyager, and an unspecified spirit genuflecting in front of the altar. there's not much else to go off of though.

[trail cedar]

I wonder if they have something to do with the fact that the isle of down could have been a ocean because of the boat ruins

[frigid tinsel]

well, boats can fly in Sky, ocean not required. there is a thought that Isle has been flooded by rising sea level since the Switch release trailer depicts an lively grassland that turns into modern Isle

[trail cedar]

thanks

[frigid tinsel]

stills of Isle of Dawn from the trailer for context

[trail cedar]

Wow it was so nice maybe someday a season will come out with areas like a void but with the old areas
i may put this in wishlist

[frigid tinsel]

the second image is after the stars fell. you can see the stars literally fall out of the sky between the transition of the two stills.
btw you don't have to ping reply to me if we're the only ones in the channel chatting back to back

[keen shore]

I keep scrolling up to these and smiling, Ty for reposting them and ty vela for drawing them in the first place<3

[frigid tinsel]

I honestly hadn't considered whether the Elders could've been in color until I saw these but I love the idea.

[keen shore]

YEAH ITS ONE OF MY FAVORITE HEADCANONS, IT CHEERS ME UP SO MUCH AND IM SUPER GLAD OTHER PEOPLE LIKE IT

[I had to edit it to one of many because I have so many cool ones]

[uncut pond]

After seeing those I desperately need TGC to add some sort of event or season where we see colored Elders, they look amazing with those colors

[keen shore]

I KNOW RIGHT? they definitely make them look much more powerful as well

[fair knot]

I think Its food ... I dont remember, but I think there is a mural somewhere showing a huge "Person" eating blobs of light

[floral grove]

Imagine going into a cave and as you reach the end, you see three Burger King whoppers floating ominously with a cake of ceremonial candles to the side

[rigid mural]

I think that the devs once talked about recurring patterns in Sky; for example, the prairie bells also kind of look like candles ! That statue looks like those bells in turn as well...

[fair knot]

I would run for my life hahhhaahaha

Does Bells have a meaning, spiritual meaning? .... I know that candles its a representation of Holy illumination and spiritual guidance, but i dont know the spiritual meaning of bells

[keen shore]

they guide light creatures, as seen in sanctuary island and the wind paths! the guiding part has spiritual significance

[fair knot]

Ohhhh So Candles and Bells have similar meanings in Sky ... Thats interesting

[nimble ingot]

In some cultures, a bell can be used as a calling or signal for people to gather at.
The ringing may also be symbolic to herding creatures (like cows, or sheep).

For those who like to read more about bell symbolism (not sky related, but does relate to lore for bells)

https://www.ire.minnstate.edu/significance-of-the-bell.html#:~:text=Bells can symbolize beginnings and,a command or a warning.

[fair knot]

Thank youu ❤️

[frigid tinsel]

iirc after completing all the Flight quests, the intro text for entering the Wind Paths changes to "chimes used to guide creatures" or something like that.

[fair knot]

What is the difference between Chimes and Bells, in portuguese we use the same word (Sinos) for both of them O.O

[frigid tinsel]

Yup, just checked

The Wind Paths
Chimes guide creatures to clear passage through the realms.

[floral grove]

Afaik, chimes are much smaller. Those are the small things the tinkerer in the Wind Paths make. Bells are much bigger and they're the ones you see in Prairie

[frigid tinsel]

after completing each of the first three Flight quests, one of the arches light up and their chimes start singing. birds then fly to clear out the clouds. perhaps chimes are used more for directing light creatures while bells simply summon them.

as for irl bells and chimes, I couldn't find a significant difference.

[fair knot]

Thank you Sajain ❤️

[kindred rampart]

Look at those two hills to the left of the temple. Do you think we might get some new areas in the distant future?

[kindred rampart]

Wait where???

[uncut pond]

I have a theory of how bells summon creatures!
Y'all know how light creatures simply manifest out of thin air wherever there's enough light for them to be born right?
Also we can see how our honks and just sounds in general seem to have some magic properties
I theorize that maybe light alone isn't enough to summon anything too complex, maybe the bells are created to produce a very specific sound that makes light reunite to create more complex creatures or special variants of simple creatures

The alternative is that bells really just attract and guide existing creatures that are flying around, much like our honks do with butterflies

[keen shore]

I wonder if our honk is kinda the same way but on a smaller scale since it summons butterflies!

[uncut pond]

Exactly!! Also btw what does the word "summon" exactly mean? I'm not a native English speaker and when I hear "summon" the first thing I imagine is "conjuring things into existence" but maybe I got the definition wrong

[half zealot]

“Summon” in English does mean conjure, but it also means “to call something over”

You could summon your brother from his room, which means you call over to him to come to you

It’s framed as a demand when talking to another human, and “summon” when in that context is usually used from someone in a higher position of power to someone lower

”authoritatively or urgently call on (someone) to be present…”

[random token]

So is there a king or a prince. Or both

[frigid tinsel]

There was one. They’re gone now

[sharp lichen]

We’ve got it to a tee now. 6 words

[uncut pond]

Oh alright thanks that actually explains a lot

I always thought summon meant like magically conjuring creatures into existence out of thin air I totally blame videogames for this

[sharp lichen]

I mean, magically conjuring creatures isn’t a thing in real life

[uncut pond]

I just always associated summoning with magic because that's literally the only context I've heard the word in until now

Anyways English sucks we should make Spanish the official language of everything

[dry ivy]

Maybe the sound of the bell (and skid’s voices) is some sort of rhythmic expression of the Light element?

So light creatures are attracted to it, because it maybe they need Light for their life cycles as well (ikr what they eat, but they probably need Light energy to fly and stuff like Skids do, so they can “hear” Light in order to survive). Or it mimics their calls, and it sounds like one of their own calling out to them; most of the Sky creatures seem to be very social/herd creatures (which actually goes heartwarmingly well with the themes of companionship and togetherness in Sky ). Their instinct is to always come when a friend calls :>

[floral grove]

I kinda doubt that new areas would be added to Isle. That realm is supposed to be one huge playground for new players to test the controls and some of the game's mechanics. By adding content to Isle, new players might get overwhelmed right off the bat which might turn them off from continuing the game. You could argue that TGC added a seasonal area in Isle which is adding content, but the cave leading to that seasonal area is quite hidden and it doesn't distract a lot of new players when they first enter the realm

[dry ivy]

I still keep forgetting to finish the cave of prophecy

Still though, I agree...it might be disorienting to new players but out of all the place isle seems a bit...lonely I guess?

[floral grove]

Yeah but it does tie in well with Isle's symbolism which is birth

[dry ivy]

I mean one never really goes back to it once you’re done with it. I mean I forget Isle exists sometimes, and that’s sad, because it’s actually quite a pretty area

[sharp lichen]

but spanish has ||gendered language||

[sharp lichen]

I think it could be, and there's many ways of pulling it off. If we'd want to say add the two hills for a seasonal area of sorts, then we could have a server with the hills for players who have beaten Eden and a server without the hills for players who haven't. That way, new players won't get confused and old players would enjoy some much-needed love to Isle.

[dry ivy]

It could also just be blocked off with an energy-constellation wall thingy

[floral grove]

This is actually a good idea . It's a win-win situation for both moths and vets

[floral grove]

Adding onto this, the Sky creatures probably have their own equivalent of magnetoreception. They don't really have ears nor eyes to begin with, so in order to not get lost they have to rely on sensing sound waves. By sticking together, they can honk at each other in order to form a line or pack to prevent them from going offtrack and getting stranded. The Ancestors caught on and they manufactured bells and chimes to help the creatures find their way around the kingdom

Edit: I think magnetoreception isn't the best example. I reread this and they act more like how dolphins communicate as opposed to how birds find their way around the earth

[violet sundial]

Yes it is duhh 🙄 i summoned a pack of thousands of raccoons to break into TGC office 😍

[fair knot]

OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG O.O This makes a lot of senseeeeee

[sharp lichen]

I do think that Skykids can see.

Directly quoted from @frigid tinsel , credit to them:

" they reach out to touch things only when those things are up close. if they were blind, how would know that was near them?"

[fair knot]

I completely forgot that Birbs have the weird thingy i their heads O.O

[violet sundial]

I think most creatures have eyes that just arent shown due to modeling constraints

[frigid tinsel]

I've been summoned

[dry ivy]

Yes! Perfect!!

@sharp lichen Oh yeah I think Saijan meant the animal creatures not the skids

[sharp lichen]

OH- sorry, sometimes I mix up the two

[dry ivy]

The gold crest markings ye?

[frigid tinsel]

other Sky creatures probably canonically have eyes and ears, they just aren't shown due to modeling constraints, as Luka said. To make Sky run as it does on mobile phones, the devs would have to cut back on rendering details.

[fair knot]

Noo , real birbs ahahha

[violet sundial]

Ie, , maybe the fortune fish? Cus i feel like its like… detailed model of what those orange diamond fish in ponds look like

[dry ivy]

Oh yeah I can see that. I like thinking they have eyes AND some sort of sound echolocation ability

[floral grove]

Flashback to when they removed post-Eden patterned capes

[violet sundial]

I do think that’s a really cool idea though

[dry ivy]

Woah like Journey capes???

[fair knot]

Echolocation like Wales and Bats ... Wales see, but they use echolocation to know were they are underwater

[floral grove]

I barely know anything about Journey's capes/cloaks but in Light Awaits, everytine you finish Eden, your cape gets more detailed with intricate designs

[frigid tinsel]

I do think that skykids and possibly light creatures have some form of echolocation, however that would supplement their other senses, not replace them.

[floral grove]

The echolocation is us deephonking in dark areas to find the outline of the stuff that's surrounding us

[fair knot]

ohhhhhhhhh

[frigid tinsel]

yea, Light Await capes became more detailed the more one completed Eden

[floral grove]

Imagine if they were procedurally generated. No two capes are the same so everybody gets a unique design

[dry ivy]

That’s what happens in a journey! ||Every time you go to the mountain your cape gets more designs on it (to a certain point). Shows players how experienced you are

And if you collect all the hidden symbols, you get something really cool—- ||

[dry ivy]

||you get to turn your red cape into a white one which can simply recharge when you land versus having to find energy sources||

[floral grove]

That's a big flex

[dry ivy]

The cape design actually looks like based on the patterns of moth wings!

[dry ivy]

Yeah especially since it makes you look like ||the ancestors you see in the game||

[fair knot]

This detail inside the cape closet in Eden communal area is curious, only this closet has paint on the floor

[keen shore]

I’m 90% sure it’s the only indoors social space, so maybe it just got really well preserved? although, that implies that the space was around pre disaster to be preserved which is super weird

[fair knot]

But the other ones are well preserved only the cape on looks "destroyed"

[floral grove]

Probably a bunch of Ancestors who underestimated the storm, went in there to do a repaint and then noped the moment it started raining rocks

[keen shore]

No, I mean like, the other social spaces were once painted and the paint washed away due to the elements. Since Eden’s isn’t exposed thst didn’t happen

[fair knot]

Ohhhhhh I see

[floral grove]

Is it really paint? It could be the floor wearing out, hinting to the cape closet being used very frequently for whatever reason

[keen shore]

Considering it’s bright blue, it does seem to be paint

[fair knot]

Yeah ... when stone is wearing out they look polished, like the hair closet

Maybe its dust or ashes from their capes

[copper saffron]

what about the little horn things on the heads of the closet icons

[outer hare]

Butterflies come out if darkness plants when burned, but mantas are only kidnapped?

[fair knot]

In my opinion Butterflies aren't creatures, just a physical manifestation of light ...

Just want to say that I just got the lil manta cape from season of shattering and OMGGGGGG ITS SOOO CUTEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[fair knot]

Ohh that's interesting, and they don't change to gold in any of the closets

[copper saffron]

yeah that's what i was kinda leading to
what do they represent then? why are they there?

[fair knot]

Maybe a new feature in the future? Crows, horns, those arc thingys ...

[copper saffron]

it would make sense if it lit up in the hair closet cause of the hair accessories but it doesnt so

[muted island]

I remember this scene from my childhood and I was expecting the snake but when this thing came up-

[forest hornet]

Aight i got a question (I hope this is the right channel for this)
What is your guys theorys on How the kingdom of Sky get corrupted by darkness

[floral grove]

Some say it was a situation similar to Pompeii wherein Eden exploded into a storm and then a shockwave of darkness washed over the kingdom, petrifying the Spirits

Some say the Darkness travelled via the elements like rain (Hidden Forest) and polluted water (GW, Sanctuary geyser)

[copper saffron]

do u think the civilisation retreated to the skies to escape the war?

[outer hare]

Bobbit 💜

[scenic siren]

Is Wasteland and Vault above or under clouds?
Or all the realms except Isle are above clouds?

[copper saffron]

i think both of them are underneath, with valley being mayyyybe both? like what we see is only the very top of the mountains

[scenic siren]

People may ran away from Wasteland, as in real life people get away from war zone

[eternal totem]

I don’t think so, at least I don’t remember it being that way. The cape becomes more detailed as one makes more & more friends

(I could double check with my friend…)

[floral grove]

I don't think so. The stars falling from the sky was treated as a crisis according to Isle. If they retreated to the skies that easily, a bunch of extra stars (or Ancestors) falling down because of the Darkness and causing the night sky to go pitch black wouldn't be much of an issue

Although, it is shown that some Ancestors/Spirits were trying to find safety according to the GW Spirit memories so no doubt a lot of Ancestors fled to other places when there was still war

[scenic siren]

I was thinking about how the elders learnt the ancestors language, like after they fell down, they can't understand what people are talking about and do emotes instead of talking. Then after a while learn the words the way a baby learn. People would help them by pointing at things and speak the words, "door", "candle", "butterfly"... and stuff

It takes time for them to finally able to speak. And since they are not native speakers, they may speak with a weird accent that sounds like singing honk

Maybe sky kids can speak too if they hear the spirits talking long enough? Or growing up in nature, they may become feral and unable to learn ancestors language, talking manta and bird instead

[dusty leaf]

Hmm interesting

[wet flax]

lol

[nimble ingot]

bobbit

[floral grove]

In this situation, wouldn't it be the other way around? The way this is portrayed is the Elders came first way before the Ancestors did. The Elders would have had their own language by the time the Ancestors started raining down. Logically, it would be the Ancestors who learned language from the Elders, not the other way around. Though, this might not be the case if the Ancestors somehow developed a spoken language right after they had landed

[floral grove]

For the last part, Sky Kids probably do speak but not in the same way as humans do

Animals probably think humans are weird for blurting out sounds with subtle patterns in intonation when they talk to one another and that somehow, humans end up understanding each other. The way some animals perceive human speech is quite similar to how we perceive the verbal communication among Sky Kids. When a Sky Kid talks, they blurt out random calls with subtle changes in the pitch they sing each call in. Basically, we're just probably not sophisticated enough to understand what's really happening with their speech, we just know that somehow they can chuck out an entire paragraph with just one honk

[scenic siren]

Oh :D In my head the ancestors were there first before the elders. I think they did not rain from the sky. If they are stars too, they wouldn't be that surprised when seeing the prince fell from the sky, and may not worship the elders.
The game did not make it clear who was there first, ancestors or elders
The game intro before is "bring our lost stars home" (never clear what "stars") and recently changed to "bring spirits back to the stars" (but not confirm spirits are stars)

It is possible the elders were ther first too. Imagine the elders lived in the wild like in survival shows before more people come and then open language classes for the ancestors

[floral grove]

Ahh, sorry for the assumption . I interpreted it as the Elders coming first but now your theory makes a lot more sense. Also I now want someone to make an edit of Survivor with the Eden King getting voted off in one of those council thingies that they do

[zenith prism]

What are sources of lore outside the game?

[eternal totem]

I don’t think there’s any regarding current lore… Concept art, livestreams, press conferences, blog posts, interviews, etc

[keen shore]

yeah! tgcs social media, patch notes, and this discord server is generally a good place to start

[sharp lichen]

This place! Just ask any questions if you have trouble with Sky’s lore

[rigid mural]

You know we are desperate when we are looking for lore in patch notes /hj

[keen shore]

I KNOW RIGHT, I couldn’t think of what else to call the little poem in the shattering announcement though 💔

[frigid tinsel]

The news post that confirmed what we had thought for a while — that the ancestors took light out of the light cycle

[keen shore]

YEAH THAT ONE, it is really good and I’m grateful for any confirmation, even although we did already know it.
It makes me hopeful that we aren’t just wrong about everything yknow

[zenith prism]

I've been playing for a couple weeks, most of what I think only comes from the walls, lol.

[frigid tinsel]

Yea, murals are one of the few ways we can get explicit lore to ponder over

[keen shore]

Murals My beloved

[zenith prism]

Most of what I think goes like this, there will probably be a lot of inaccuracies and plot holes:

"Eden" wasn't always there. In the Cave of Prophecies, the four elements are depicted as stars.

In an Isle of Dawn cutscene, it's said that with the stars united their light was infinite, though this most likely refers to the spirits.

Then back to the Cave. One person passes the trials, brings all the Stars forth, and combines them? In an attempt to restore infinite light? But with unforseen results. Is that why many murals depict spirits worshiping the Eden Elder?

Knowing what had truly been created, the Wasteland Elder smote the Eden Elder down, but by then darkness had spread, taking spirits with it. So, in a last attempt, did the Elders sacrifice their own light to keep some semblence of light alive?

[violet sundial]

Journey had the same deal too actually they really are similar

[eternal totem]

Was this map shown anywhere?

[violet sundial]

Real life too 😍
Journey irl when

I do not like that map tbh

Why is vault a tower seperate from the eden mountain if you enter Eden from the top

[eternal totem]

That’s the dreamlike Vault, so I don’t think it actually ever was connected

[violet sundial]

Weird!

[eternal totem]

You wake up in a completely different summit after you meditate

[violet sundial]

Is there any explanation for that at all???

[eternal totem]

Huffed too much dream gas

The actual Vault is mostly likely almost entirely destroyed

[violet sundial]

NSJSBDJDABSIBSH

The vault spirits carry u on a gurney to the mountain

Now i’m starting to realize part of the personal project i had going might not make sense if that’s what eden’s like

[eternal totem]

Does it have to make sense? I don’t like restraining myself too much when making stuff up

[violet sundial]

More or less, ig i like having stuff make sense somewhat and like

Long story short i have a village of skykids on the side of the eden mountain that i envisioned was more lush and alive (and a bit chilly because of the geography and the Eden diamond )

But this map suggests to me that much more of the mountain is dead than I thought oops

[raw crypt]

That map was shown in a netease post about flight, i could grab the link in a moment!

[waxen quest]

AAAAAAAHHH WHAT IS THIS HELLISH CREATURE

[sharp lichen]

cope ||/lh||

[dusky sequoia]

Maybe Vault is where the space-time warps? I saw a theory once in here, that the whole of Vault is an illusion and the place you reach after reliving the last elder's cutscene is the only real deal 👀

[violet sundial]

Oooh

[keen shore]

I like to imagine that the reason vsult is Like that is bc it was manifested almost entirely out of purple light and without the elder there to maintain it it has started to decay

[frigid tinsel]

I think there’s a physical structure to the Vault that’s still there, but with the Eden calamity, purple light went rampant and obscured the Vault in liminality

[keen shore]

OOOOOOO that’s a good take as well, I’m trying to think of a way to combine my whole hc with the weirdness being bc of night forgetting how it used to look with the one I mentioned above, bc it naturally works much better with yours. The issue is I love both of mine and cannot decide

[frigid tinsel]

I have my thoughts that after the Eden calamity, the Elders were just gone, detached from the world, stuck in their pocket dimensions. Without their control, their realms fell into disarray in top of the darkness swarming the world. This would be why the purple light in the Vault went rampant — without Night Elder’s control, it went wild

[mossy barn]

so maybe we sky kids hallucinated those stuff after being yeeted by krills and crabs in wasteland several times, lol

[keen shore]

A variation of This is kinda what my original headcanon above implies! Which is funny because it means both of ours almost fit better with each other than with our original ones… although tbf yours fits great with both

[mossy barn]

hmm btw, how did darkness cover the kingdom, is there like a reason why that happened?

[dusky sequoia]

I dont know about other realms tho 😅 .. I was referring only to Vault in this case.. I see many theories of Violet light in here.. interesting..
Can anyone care to explain it to me, pls.. just curious

[frigid tinsel]

The ancestors invested in power diamond manufacturing, which seems to have had a byproduct of darkness pollution. It’s likely why the Wasteland is so polluted. Same could be said for Eden, even going as far to constructing a giant diamond. Then the Eden diamond went rogue, corrupted somehow, and started spewing darkness everywhere. The resultant Storm further spread darkness throughout the realms.

[mossy barn]

if u didnt understood what I said, sry then. But what I said is that when we were in wasteland, we were attacked by krills and crabs. So, when we went to the vault, we started hallucinating those stuff. (just a random theory I made which I thought would be funny lol)

[mossy barn]

I also saw a theory in YT where the Eden Elder was executed/killed by the Wasteland elder, could there also be a reason why they did that to him?

and from the intro of the game, theres a quote that said “if only they’d listened” but not mentioning who to listen to

[frigid tinsel]

That’s probably based on a bugged mural that was found in the Sanctuary Islands. Devs are notorious for placing their development assets in random spots where players could encounter them. Sanctuary preceded Prophecy and some Cave of Prophecy murals were placed in Sanctuary for safe keeping. Except players found it and assumed what it appeared to show was canon

This is the bugged mural I’m referring to. Despite the clarification that it’s placement wasn’t intentional, theorists went wild with it anyways.

[mossy barn]

idk what canon means btw, can you explain it? 😅

[dusky sequoia]

Ooohhhhh... now i get it.. nice nice
Lol my brain must have been mush😆

[frigid tinsel]

Canon means true in-game

[mossy barn]

ohh ok thx

[dusky sequoia]

Now i got ur theory, @mossy barn 😅

[mossy barn]

happy to help

imma go sleep, its night time in my place, oki byee
thx for the theories

[dusky sequoia]

[keen shore]

this could work, but we don’t see any krills in vault, and the only crabs we see are on the lowest level, where vault is the least weird

so I doubt it

[mossy barn]

what about the krills before entering vault?

[keen shore]

those are in wasteland, not vault

[mossy barn]

yeah but wasteland is the realm before vault

[keen shore]

btw, you don’t have to ping me in replies, or reply to me when my message is right after yours!

That would work for places like starlight desert, but considering you don’t see any effects of purple light in wasteland at all - like, the entire realm looks completely normal - it does seem like a bit of a stretch.

[mossy barn]

oh ok, sorry its my bad habit

alright I guess I will study the purple light theory tomorrow since I dont really know much about it, thx for the info

[raw crypt]

https://sky.163.com/news/strategy/20211013/29298_978351.html woops i got distracted, heres the link to where it was posted

[rain pond]

yo lorechat what's the current topic

[eternal totem]

Thankyu

[frigid tinsel]

Why is the Vault and Wasteland like that™️

[sharp lichen]

Hello corn

[rain pond]

imo Wasteland was already pretty done in by overexploitation when the Diamond destabilized - the Krill had probably already emerged by then (as seen by the krills in Treasure Reef despite it having less evidence of corruption than the mainland)

[keen shore]

yeah I agree! Plus there’s stuff like the massive spears scattered around that seem to be weaponry against krills, that imply a fairly large number that were still around.

also stealthy survivors and courageous soldiers memories but tbf, those could’ve taken place after the disaster and we wouldn’t know

[rain pond]

we can also see spirits reacting to/avoiding dark water, which would not make sense if the dark water was created after the memories

as for why Vault is the way it is...

I think it just ran out of power. Think about it - such a complex projection and the most advanced tech seen in all of Sky would probably need a significant amount of power, as well as sealing it off from the outside world.

Once the power from the generators dried up, there would be no way to maintain the projection or the containment field, and thus Vault would be exposed to the wind and the sand, causing what we see at the end after the Elder cutscene and also the sand on the first floor

[keen shore]

Oh yeah that as well! and others like slouching soldier that are interacting with it in separate ways

[rain pond]

as for why the sand couldn't be covered up by the projection...

I assume that the projector doesn't have advanced AI to deal with things that aren't meant to be there XD

[keen shore]

Yeah that’s pretty what I think! The only difference is thst the elder was powerful enough to be the singular “generator” and also controlled it all, so whenever they got stuck in their pocket dimension would be when things started falling apart.

The memory lanterns might be able to keep bits of vault alive but not nearly enough, they’d be behind the stuff like the constellation projections I would think

[rain pond]

which leads us to the question

why does vault elder have this weird dimension with the murals

because with the other elders it clearly shows them in the location at a varying period in the past

[safe sphinx]

does the air prophet mask have fake eyes? i noticed that we can see our real eyes, but they're closed inside the mask. what's emitting the light? do masks themselves emit light, or is it only this particular mask that has fake eyes?

[keen shore]

I would assume that they’re using the bit of light you gave them and the diamond you help with to project things for you!

plus they seem to be associated with purple light and illusions in general so maybe that bit gave them an extra boost with making their cutscene look more… full I guess?

[rain pond]

but how does one get stuck in a pocket dimension that is powered by something that shows up at the end of the timeline

[keen shore]

it would make sense if darkstone was involved bc the shattering memories seem to imply that they can trap memories and stuff inside

[rain pond]

I mean the elder cutscenes seem to be memories - the temples of the Isle, Prairie and Forest elders aren't even built yet (Forest elder only has their anvil)

Valley and Wasteland's memories could happen later in the timeline which has implications that we won't discuss right now - perhaps Vault's is the same principle

[violet sundial]

Methinks its the mask itself

I also like to think that the eyes on masks are how skykids see no matter how they’re placed so vision on say, a bird mask would be quite different from a normal mask

Or its all the same

[rain pond]

perhaps the Vault elder, being the scholar that they were had the foresight to program a specific memory that isn't "haha look at me show off" in the case that a new creature like the Sky Kid comes along

[keen shore]

I personally doubt that the elder cutscenes are memories because of how we can physically interact with them and change the memories, as well as how they physically affect the temples after. As to why they look so empty, that seems to be a consequence of the dimension where the cutscenes take place, not bc nothing has been built yet (since you can’t see every detail of the landscape around them, just vague details that are important to each elder)

Like for example if the day cutscene took place before the temple was built, in the memory you would see the grassy hill and all

[rain pond]

mmmmm true
what's with the emptiness of the elder cutscenes???
TGC EXPLAIN

[violet sundial]

Maybe symbolic? Or it’s like the prophecy trials where its not a real place per se

Maybe it’s like… their mind space idk

[keen shore]

I think they take place in the same area as limbo and the shattering memories, that is to say, inside darkstone! They all look very similar.

[frigid tinsel]

I have a thought that darkness originates from another plane of existence and getting swarmed by said darkness (petrifying, swallowed by the leviathan) takes one to that plane. if the Elders were swamped in darkness by the Eden calamity in some shape or form, then they are in that plane and the darkness realm is empty.

the other idea is that limbo/void is just what it looks like when one is conscious and enveloped by darkness. there can be things within it, but darkness has nothing. the Elders, being powerful beings, may be able to change their pocket dimensions with the light they have.

[rain pond]

I mean Light has some pretty funky properties like being solid, having stasis beams and also there are canonically portals in Sky so perhaps lighting the candles on the altar creates a temporary link to the sea of darkness in which the Elders now rest

[earnest briar]

I like that idea! It acts as a beacon or conduit of sorts that lets us connect to the Elder's pockets directly and safely instead of just becoming adrift in the sea.

[rain pond]

perhaps the statue has something to do with it - there may be diamonds embedded in the eyes of the statues (hence the glow) that help with linking them? Diamonds/darkstone does have memory capturing properties and anything is possible in this world honestly

[earnest briar]

It would make sense with what information we have. We link to the Elder using the altar, then the restoration of their power sort of bursts out of/overloads the darkstone's capacity to keep them locked away, creating a beacon and restoring their constellation.

[keen shore]

Yeah this makes sense, since before the cutscene they’re blue and afterwards they glow yellow, like lit darkstone

[waxen quest]

Also about dark water. In TLP season drinking spirit drink dark water instead of what he drinks in the original story. Could dark water have same effects canonicaly?

[nimble ingot]

Yes and No.
It did spark an entertaining debate back when the season started. However, a word of caution is advised to not delve too far into the 'intoxicating' concepts on this large server.

[frigid tinsel]

blue is associated with passive darkness that contains light – think darkness plants. yellow power diamonds are when they are actively powering something.
if the Elder statues have blue eyes before skykids arrive, that could signal that they have light within that isn't being used. they turn yellow after because the Elders are capable of using their light again.

[keen shore]

Yeah, like how ascended spirits turned yellow! I always assumed it was like that for the elders too but the darkstone explanation also makes sense and explains why we can connect to them

[frigid tinsel]

given dark water takes light and ancestors are beings of light, drinking dark water is basically poison, sapping out even their most inner light from within them. this could lead to similar effects of drunkenness such as memory loss, disorientation, and mood imbalances

[rain pond]

I just had a random thought

what if darkness is inherently a container

[nimble ingot]

yellow and white, leans more towards the Light. While blue and black leans towards Darkness.
Orange seems to sit in the middle, while still being regarded as part of the Light with being a complimentary (opposite) colour for Blu.e

[keen shore]

I like to think of it kinda like a predator!

[nimble ingot]

By the same token, the Light and Darkness (Yellow, orange, red, and blue) shifting scale may also apply to natural creatures vs artificial creations.

[rain pond]

also what is the significance of the sky at the end of valley? it's... unnatural to me, the sky should not be that shade of vermillion

[earnest briar]

I always thought it was some sort of glow caused by the proximity to Eden. You can see the clouds of the storm in the Coliseum, showing that we're at the edge of the storm.

[frigid tinsel]

there's some concepts that talk about lower Valley of Triumph being "Golden Valley," the downtown districts. I think Golden Valley was swamped by Storm clouds and may even be part of modern Wasteland. the only thing that remains of it's glory is the yellow golden hue in the atmosphere

[rain pond]

a saturation of Light in the air? hmmm...

it's the only area that's close to the Eye of Eden, not covered by clouds or corrupted by Darkness, and not some weird amalgam of Sky and TLP

[earnest briar]

What do you guys think the whale in the clouds on the way to Wasteland from Valley is doing there? I personally think it's there to make sure the Krills don't escape.

[frigid tinsel]

it's just chilling

[rain pond]

I don't think that one whale could take on a krill - Darkness seems to be "stronger" than Light, or there is more Darkness than Light

[waxen quest]

Somebody proposed yesterday or a day before that that spirits have partially lost their memories thus can't remember their names and other things. That could be the evidence, tho might be a stretch

[dry ivy]

Yeah, this is a concept that I found interesting by as well, more so about the use of Darkness within Spirit culture (exploring the concept of its use as food/drink and all).

The LP season is an odd one because it’s hard to say what’s canon, as the Starlight Desert almost seems to be more of a dream world compared to others

Though all in all the Drinking spirit seems to show that drinking Darkness (or at least too much of it) isn’t good for you

[sharp lichen]

I think so too, but not for the reason you stated

Krills seem incredibly aggressive, pouncing at any source of life

Whales seem really passive, there’s not much for them to attack with

Oh god TLP discussion is scary

[waxen quest]

The desert itself is probably real, as we go straight to Eden from there and get reborn, which makes it as real as it can get

[waxen quest]

I just love asking the most absurd questions and see them get debated about

[burnt tundra]

Nahh they squished mantas for dark crystal 😭😭

[waxen quest]

JESSE WE NEED
WE NEED TO COOK DARK CRYSTALS

Can u send ur pfp btw?

[rigid mural]

you put the crystals in water and you get the manta back, kinda like those dino egg toys

[waxen quest]

Except the dinos sometimes turn out a bit weird but eh better than no mantas at all

[keen shore]

It’s like a snail retreating into their shell, if you don’t keep a constant eye on the crystal the manta pops out again and tries to fly away

[slim plume]

That's why they're condensed into diamond form

[slim plume]

Forbidden medical pills

[sharp lichen]

Fun fact: I actually developed a formula for mantas to dark crystals

[slim plume]

Instead of dinosaurs it's baby mantas and the mom is Forest Elder

[waxen quest]

Kinda like pokemon but they need water to be released

[hushed steeple]

Lore discussion and gen chat swapped places for no reason💀

[rigid mural]

it's lore if you're not a coward

[hushed steeple]

Ok, so who is resh?

[waxen quest]

Prince/king

[hushed steeple]

THAT dude at the end of vault memory, who is observed to eat orb?

[rigid mural]

Yeah !

[frigid tinsel]

Check out: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[hushed steeple]

But how we know his name, i mean there are no names that spirits have in general

[keen shore]

It’s from concept art!

[waxen quest]

Ok what the actual **** is going on in gen chat rn

[keen shore]

Don’t worry about it, genchat is just like that

[sharp lichen]

Apparently they treat lorechat as some pretentious elite club or something? This is different then usual genchat

[waxen quest]

Cuz we are, they should go cry about it if they want to so badly (joke)

It's back to normal I think???

[nimble ingot]

XD had to take a look.
It feels like different debate teams trying to figure out each other's game plans.

[keen shore]

It’s hard to take most of the criticism from other channels seriously because it already comes from people I don’t like and would not want here for various reasons [trying to be vague but it’s not just because of annoyance]

[sharp lichen]

I think it could be perceived as that due to how little activity we get compared to the rest of the server, and the fact that it’s at the very bottom of the server. It would be good if it moved up just a little bit, like at around #wishlist-and-ideas-archived

[frigid tinsel]

Lorechat is not at the very bottom of the server.

[waxen quest]

It isn't but if for example when i go to another chat for like a moment I have troubles finding it again which is pretty frustrating that it happens so much

[rigid mural]

I'd rather not talk about other chats here since I'm the first to call out gossiping tbh.
Also, I'm not too sure about getting more activity fixing the problem, I like it here when there's only a handful of folks. Not to mention last time people took interest en masse, mods were summoned...

[sharp lichen]

Well, at the bottom of channels that can be easily moved. The bug reports and beta channels are highly specialized

[nimble ingot]

True, Lore chat sits on the border of beta channels.
Right at the cusp of what is known, and what is not yet known in the world of Sky.

[keen shore]

I honestly don’t care much what random people in genchat think of us.
I do kinda like being at the bottom of the server, but that’s due to selfishness because I’m both super shy and hate change more than anything

[frigid tinsel]

I would rather lorechat not have the activity of genchat or cozy cos those chats are overwhelming

[sharp lichen]

I definitely agree, but the activity should be at around the level of, say #seasons-events-chat

[rigid mural]

Genchat can straight up crash my app when it's TS reveal period

[waxen quest]

To be fair it's best that lorechat stays where it is.
If somebody wants to know lore they will come here. If not they won't.

[keen shore]

Tbh due to my horrendous social anxiety, if this channel got anywhere near the level of cozy, I probably wouldn’t be able to handle it and have to stop participating. I can’t speak for anyone else though.

[sharp lichen]

Same tbh

[frigid tinsel]

Genchat thinks we’re prententious, rude, and thinks we’re bad for being not serious 24/7. I would rather not have those dolts there.

[nimble ingot]

TS reveals turns Genchat into a virtual black Friday rush

[sharp lichen]

But I get the impression that the channels in the “General” and “Sky” sections are somewhat structured from most to least active, and in that case it doesn’t make sense

[waxen quest]

Genchat when lorechat people literally just exist: 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡

[sharp lichen]

Moving this channel to somewhere near #questions-and-help won’t cause an influx of activity on par with genchat and cozychat, but it will make this channel feel less like an afterthought

[rigid mural]

I think the problem is that we collectively know stuff such as elder names that we summarised in lists because we get asked that so often, and newcomers misinterpret that as a robotic copypaste to get them out of our way asap when it's just meant to be helpful even if it's not a personalised answer

[waxen quest]

Beta is near bottom bc beta is just that small. Lore is near beta when it comes to information and spoilers, so they are near. Once again, if somebody want to know the lore they will come here themselves

[sharp lichen]

The same thing will happen if it moves a few channels up.

Assuming the majority of people here are on mobile, this is what they’ll see when they first join the server:

[frigid tinsel]

Newcomers should see rules and news first tbh so they know how to interact with the server. That’s just basic Discord courtesy

[sharp lichen]

Even if you collapse the rules and news section, #questions-and-help doesn’t show up, let alone #lore-discussion-spoilers

[waxen quest]

Fair

[keen shore]

It’s probably this, and some rumors that are just in bad faith unfortunately. Can’t really do much about those.

I have seen some people mad in general that we don’t always talk about serious stuff, for instance. Like that’s not exactly a standard I care about meeting.

[sharp lichen]

Wait, this is clear hypocrisy. How is this channel supposed to be serious while #general-sky-discussion is like the ruler of chaos

[rigid mural]

And like, not gonna lie some people come in here with ideas that have been so done and redone they are bland, thinking about the cheap edgy violent stuff like spirits abusing skykids or the usual "what if that wholesome game was actually dark" (it is but not this violently) kinda stuff, which they expect us to interact with but it just makes things awkward, especially if another lore-related convo was going on at the same time.

[frigid tinsel]

That’s just all general channels in every largely popular Discord server

[keen shore]

I’m trying to be super general here so that it does not stray into gossip territory because I definitely do not want that, also. Just something to bear in mind

[sharp lichen]

But still, there’s no point in #lore-discussion-spoilers being constantly serious and trying to maintain an attitude of stiffness, that’ll push even more lore moths away

[keen shore]

Yeah, if we did that they’d call us pretentious more. Really no winning here, so I don’t really care about playing that game.

[rigid mural]

Honestly it's just bad vibes when everytime we get a massive call to see us here (cool, I love seeing new folks taking interest in lore), it's people that try to shut down lgbt topics. Protip, if you're uncomfortable because we ask you to aknowledge your cisnormative biases, maybe you feeling unwelcome here is warranted.

[raw crypt]

sorry to whoever thinks were smary i put my clown shoes everytime i enter this channel

[keen shore]

YEAH LIKE. I generally like when new people come, but all the times I can count that a bunch of new people have flooded in all at once has not been for good reasons

[nimble ingot]

Question, would it improve server activity for users to have a 'fanon' channel?
Or would it be a written counterpart of the chaotic fanart channel?

[frigid tinsel]

Idk where the idea that lorechat is an ivory tower comes from. Anyone who does care about Sky’s lore is welcomed here. They can literally just jump in with a current conversation, bring up a topic they’re interested in if the channel is slow, and or join in the humor. One thing about enjoying Sky is to not take it seriously sometimes, to have fun with it.

[waxen quest]

Maybe a separate rules list should be made for this channel so gen people know what to expect

[sharp lichen]

I don’t think so, #lore-discussion-spoilers already kinda deals with that

[keen shore]

same .one time I forgot what wind was

[nimble ingot]

true

[rigid mural]

I had to block people who were straight up insulting me in my DMs because I got attention here so honestly, I don't think I'm in the wrong to be wary sometimes...

[sharp lichen]

My primary goal for this channel to help as many lore moths as possible, and make sure they’re actively thinking about and contributing to the Sky lore.

Oh and also having fun that too

but it does put a smile on my face when someone who previously knew nothing about Sky lore make wonderful theories of their own

I feel that with many of you people here as well

[keen shore]

yeah… I want to be open and welcoming, but not at the expense of myself and my friends. Without going in detail I have experienced similar things especially during ts hints [which tbf, is the only reason I really go in gen]

[waxen quest]

Sky teaching people to be kind and friendly no matter what
Some weird people:

[frigid tinsel]

I just wanna vibe while musing about Sky’s world and I love lorechat vibes cos we honestly get that. I would welcome anyone who matches and amplifies these vibes. There are unfortunately too many who run on different wavelengths and think anyone who doesn’t conform to their energy is bad and should change

[rigid mural]

The rules aren't that different though.

[frigid tinsel]

Lorechat rules is just

1. be respectful
2. stay on topic
3. understand we don’t know anything for sure.
   That’s it

[keen shore]

This is honestly the only chatting type channel (like, not stuff like questions and help) where I feel safe all the time because I’ve seen and sometimes experienced so much nastiness in other places. I’m just dropping that in here.

[rigid mural]

stay on topic isnt even really a rule imo since it's so easy to derail one (and admittedly, yeah, we dont talke about lore as much when there's nothing new)

[frigid tinsel]

And it gets boring discussing the barely-present king for the nth time

[sharp lichen]

I think “off topic” in this case means mostly explicitly non-Sky things. Like don’t walk into lorechat with a thousand-page summary on Minecraft gameplay

[waxen quest]

What if sky king was prince in the past 🤔

[rigid mural]

I feel like we're advertised as this group of folks that know everything so they expect us to produce galaxy brain takes, but then get surprised to see queer banter

[frigid tinsel]

I understand these may be new topics for some but I just back out and let others have their fun.

[keen shore]

The real truth is that you cannot separate the Galaxy brain takes from the queer banter,

[rigid mural]

SO TRUE BESTIE

[frigid tinsel]

Sometimes blokes will come in asking if we could give the entire story of Sky and we’re just yea, I wish

[waxen quest]

Everyone is dead. That's the ultimate answer. That's what I always say.

[keen shore]

tranchantment guide real

[frigid tinsel]

“How did everyone die?”
Darkness, presumably

[waxen quest]

Big boom, king is dumb

[keen shore]

slander

[frigid tinsel]

Lemme add some nuance: it may not be the king’s fault

[nimble ingot]

If I were to imagine how skykids would be like (vehemently ignoring the 8 player cap and 'grey stranger' feature), it is because of Lorechat (and Genchat) that I can envision how skykids can be kind, opening and helpful characters.
Who would help get moths started and guide each other through the realms. But by the same token, there can be skykids that are a bit cheeky, skykids that can cop an attitude, or act toxic and chaotic.
However, this would fully depend on the personality and character of the player behind the skykid. And no matter how much the game would want to portray the idealised skykid character, that image is at most a guideline for every player in the game to start off as a foundation to their characters.
While a skykid would still be a force of good at their core, a skykid with a human mind (ergo the player) will more likely than not have a personality that would differ from the 'standard skykid image', as there is no such thing as a true idealised player.

[rigid mural]

honestly the recent news post already give us a lot of lore, we now have it confirmed that the ancestors may have caused their own demise by taking too much light from the winds and the dissapearance of (assumedly) elder creatures.

[frigid tinsel]

Aalsays to Naihho to Amander to Wanin to Galona spectrum

[waxen quest]

(They don't need to know)

[graceful oasis]

…..Light god sends us down to go send Spirits to heaven but they still are bound to the land because of darkness grinding.

[sharp lichen]

This will be heresy to #general-sky-discussion! You cannot let anyone know!

[waxen quest]

Just don't tell them about huge laser from space, that my favorite one🥺

[rigid mural]

im actually doing great just vibing on the sidelines and ruminating on stuff, TGC is now feeding us material on the regular with the poems, and with these new pieces we can now put together old ones (wildly waving the sneezing geographer mural books) !

[graceful oasis]

The new lore bits honestly help make it a bit more clear then before…. With all the clouds very much blocking more lore….

[rigid mural]

I should piece together a timeline with the shattering stuff and satellite tidbits from other seasons, i had this whole timeline idea using the switch trailer and intros from LA and past versions of the live game

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, this may give more relevance to the Season of Flight maybe?

[rigid mural]

Season of Flight is already really important imo ! We know ancestors could somehow control migration paths to use them themselves for example.

[coarse kernel]

||Whenever u fly through the orbit, u can honk (normal skykid honk) and see the Ascension music is the same sound as your own Honk. Which can come to the conclusion that the whole background music from the orbit isn't a background music but all the souls of Skykids flying and surrounding u through your journey of ascension.||

[graceful oasis]

……That is really cool.

[frigid tinsel]

This is true even in Orbit

[rigid mural]

boom

[coarse kernel]

If u think about it, it's kinda sad cause they're all singing on for your new journey of ascension, while they keep flying around the orbit eternally, in an infinite time loop without knowing they're in one.

[sharp lichen]

I know, but I want MORE

I love the little fruit snacks

[frigid tinsel]

Btw you don’t have to spoiler tag text here. Hence lore-discussion-spoilers.

I don’t believe Sky exists in a time loop. I think beings of light, free of their physical vessels, are able to bond and connect with each other in a way they couldn’t do in the world. Even just approaching the Light during ascension do beings of light connect to each other and feel that wholeness within togetherness. Hence skykids’ ability to sing in Harmony

[coarse kernel]

Well doesn't infinite rebirths sound like a time loop to u?

[frigid tinsel]

No, just being reborn into the world again

[rigid mural]

I think there's a difference between a cycle and a loop, imo a time loop would be more like a groundhog day scenario, while the cycle of light is something that repeats but not so much that it feels like your previous lives are exactly like your current one

[waxen quest]

Not time loop, but a cycle. As after we relive spirit memories, we don't need to do it again

[frigid tinsel]

Time loops don’t see progression because anything done is reversed. In a cycle, things happen again, maybe in the same or different ways, even if the conclusion is the same or similar

[waxen quest]

Ok tbh it's probably neither of those, as all we've done remains the same after each rebirth.

[keen shore]

There are some things that keep reappearing even if we stop them (like the same elder cutscene always play, darkness plants always growing in the same place), but from what I can tell it seems to be more game limitation stuff than lore. Especially when you get to seasons like flight, sanctuary and enchantment where you slowly restore a place over time and it doesn’t revert to its previous state when you leave and come back

[waxen quest]

Tgc could at least make different elder cutscenes or something for before and after meeting them for the first time

[nimble ingot]

New content for the elders feels overdue.

[frigid tinsel]

While spirit memories remain, spirits remain ascended. You could free a petrified spirit but they don’t reappear at Elder temples.

[violet sundial]

ty for pointing this out this gives me lots of ideas

[frigid tinsel]

There is also the seasonal areas being revealed over time and seasonal spirits returning as TS or for events

[violet sundial]

ALSO important question; who do yall think the singing voice in ascension is (in terms of lore not the VA)

Is there just Not Lore because its more about the emotional impact or otherwise

[frigid tinsel]

The Light

[keen shore]

Yeah I like to imagine it’s just the Light generally! And also that it sings to us throughout the realms, and that’s what the songs for each place are.

[violet sundial]

The light must need a glass of water then

[frigid tinsel]

The Light has to negotiate with millions of singing voices, cut it some slack

[rigid mural]

i think the light sings really well (i genuinely like the OST, Somersault, Wind Paths and Flight my beloved)

[slim plume]

To be fair with millions of beings making up your entire existence there's gotta be at least a couple thousand who can sing well

[keen shore]

Some rando sees that they’re all singing and starts humming a random song to harass everyone else with, leaving the tune in shambles

[frigid tinsel]

Someone infects the Light with a brainworm

[violet sundial]

JAJSHSHSHSBDHS

[slim plume]

Imagine dying and then being reborn and ascending to Orbit hearing the distant humming of the Light singing Britney Spears' "Toxic"

[keen shore]

Everyone trying to sing a nice lullaby for the skykid getting reborn and some idiot starts barking

[hexed kiln]

Hey! My first time writing here. Can anyone please explain to me what’s the story behind the structures in starlight desert? I was wandering around there and I decided to explore them and I found them very interesting.

[rigid mural]

Reason why Pepo is banned from Orbit

[sharp lichen]

I’m not sure, the lore around that season is very confusing. In my opinion, they were just placed there randomly lorewise. It’s possible that they’re just illusions and aren’t wholly based in reality.

[frigid tinsel]

The Islands represent the vices the TLP spirits represent. The ruler is on a crown, the gloating narcissist is on a stage, the lamplighter is in a giant lamp, etc.

There’s a thought that the Starlighth Desert is swamped in purple light, which may cause things to manifest from ones mind. The spirits could have wandered in there and unintentionally made those islands from the purple light affecting them

[nimble ingot]

As the season area drew inspiration from the books, like the name of the area states, "where dreamlike worlds collide" (Unless I am misremembering it).

Each area with their spirit combines characteristics of both the book and the world of sky. Essentially making each area for their spirit be like their own little world.
For example, the gloating narcissist likes to performs, so their area is a stage that is reminiscent to the valley. The slouching soldier gets a large jar full of dark water, a dank and dark place they sulk around in and have a identity crisis over drinking water (reminiscent to the wasteland). The geographer loves reading books, but is oblivious to what is around them, kinda similar to Vault. Then there is king and his small island, that is now in ruins and empty without a kingdom to rule over. Then there is the lamplighter who diligently lights a lamp if it is off, and then turns it off because it is on, which is possibly a reference to a system that is flawed and only those involved in it are trapped in a repeating cycle. Lastly, there is the accountant, who hoards stars (kinda similar to day elder's jar temple).

Each spirit has a trait that is ultimately flawed, but still relatable to adults, as well as children who watch adults.

There is even concept art that further shows this if you like to look into it

[graceful oasis]

I like how most of the concept art of the these spirits basically got in game, in some more adjusted ways

[slim plume]

The Star Collector's prop looked so complicated oml imagine if that was still in-game

[nimble ingot]

Imagine that the Pharoah's crowns made into the game.
If memory serves me well, 2 of the geographer's hats reprepresent the upper and lower kingdoms of egypt.
C would be the lower, and D would be the upper.
Combine them and you have the pharoah of all of Ancient Egypt.

That would have been a homerun for Vault to have Egyptian influences.

[dry ivy]

Really? It feels active enough to me

Then again I’m not the type who can keep up with the immense speed of the gen chat

[pastel brook]

Skybrah's fun fact of the day: 8 hours of sneep snorp a day keeps Dark Dragons away

[slim plume]

I get more than eight hours of sleep per day beat that

[dry ivy]

Woah the king used to be a snake head???

(Ahhh I love this concept art. )

[white junco]

omg i’ve never seen the french boy concepts before

[dry ivy]

I also found it interesting how they made the Spirits wear chains, we totally makes me think of ghost guy from the Christmas Carol. You know, “I forged these chains in life!!” Guy

Which I wonder if that’s what happened to these Spirits? They forged those chains in life, of the stuff that they unhealthily obsessed over in life, so they are unable to reach the afterlife due to these unhealthy ties (which, as you can tell, I’m incorporating some Buddhist ideas here)

[hexed kiln]

Thank you guys so much for the answers!!

[slim plume]

I kind of see the chains as something like "The workers have nothing to lose but their chains," like they will lose nothing by giving up their unhealthy habits but keep holding onto them because they're addictive

[nimble ingot]

hm?
Oh, the king's mask.

I thought it was a frog, like the fables of frogs being a prince.

..wait a minute.
PRINCE!?

Did the devs honestly sneak in a fable reference of the Prince Frog in Sky!!?

Is this a hidden meaning of the Sky Prince being a character that was disobedient, then punished for it. And now lives in another form that we cannot recognise???

In the tale, a spoiled princess reluctantly befriends the Frog Prince, whom she met after dropping a golden ball into a pond under a linden tree, and he retrieves it for her in exchange for her friendship. The Frog Prince, who is under a wicked fairy's spell, magically transforms back into a handsome prince.

[nimble ingot]

Yes, Glad you have the same idea 🙂
There may as well be more sneaky little reference like that ❤️

[slim mango]

I remembered the little prince trying to tame the krill, that based from the book, scene where the little prince died by snake bite... (From fan comic about the little prince)

[violet sundial]

OH
Could the beckoning ruler represent isle elder in a way

NO I MEANT THE OTHER GUY SORRY

[nimble ingot]

More likely the valley twins. Especially with the twin statues, the performance, and similar outfit.

I may be mistaken, though the king could be dawn's
The throne has the prophecy detail, and similar empty feel with a winged light hidden inside it.

[frigid tinsel]

Beckoning Ruler — Isle Elder
Star Collector — Prairie Elder
Stretching Lamplighter — Forest Elder
Gloating Narcissist — Valley Elder(s)
Slouching Soldier — Wasteland Elder
Sneezing Geographer — Vault Elder

[keen shore]

Actually yes! There’s a common theory that each of the tlp spirits are based off one of the elders to an extent. Beckoning ruler is Dawn!

the valley twins would be gloat

[violet sundial]

Yeee
Also like
The Ruler has no one to listen to him or heed his orders any longer (aside from statues which are. Statues)
Kinda like how isle elder got shut out from the affairs of the kingdom

[keen shore]

Also the way they try to control birds in their memory, dawn activity

[violet sundial]

Anyways i’m at a fancy restaurant I should probably put my phone away

Every time i come here yall give me great ideas for my fan stuff

[keen shore]

Fun fact actually, there are 8 statues on rulers island, one for each of the elders if you count both twins and the king… I had a bunch of pics of them hold on

Yeah! These! One of them is horribly ruined and the other is split down the middle just like dusk’s altar. I had to put black and white filters on them because discord thought they were inappropriate either.

you can see vela and alasdair in these pics also

[rigid mural]

hi
i have a headcanon that the TLP spirits are caricatures of the elders (= how they were seen) while the basegame spirits with the elder masks reflect how the elders themselves felt

dawn for example may have been percieved like the bossy beckoning ruler, while refusing voyager may hint they were protecting something from the past that they found important

[violet sundial]

I wanna hear more of this headcanon

[keen shore]

YEAH YEAH YEAH THIS IS WHAT I THINK TOO. I have to wonder if they are caricatures, who created them. bc they’re really mean to all the elders so I don’t think it was any of them

[floral grove]

How many TLP Spirits are there? Maybe we could find a caricature for the Eden Elder

[keen shore]

there are 6! maybe that flower is up to soemthing

[floral grove]

Damn, but the King is the seventh Elder 😔

[rigid mural]

i am procrastinating dinner for this but hell ya lore

Day: seen as a collector (Star Collector), likely was tired (Exhausted Dock Worker). Maybe they were collecting a lot of light for the kingdom to the point of exhausting themselves ? Or maybe they didnt want to continue abusing it and light creatures, so they were depicted as greedy for keeping it in their realm

Rain: seen as an overworked/workaholic (Stretching Lamplighter), likely carrying a lot of guilt (Apologetic Lumberjack); I like to think that they discovered darkstone and regret doing so because of the effects...

Sunset: seen as vain (Gloating Narcissist), doesnt have an elder mask spirit but going off the matching Backflip Champion and Bowing Medalist ones, maybe they were just having fun doing sports and respected fair play (ngl this one is complicated)

Dusk: seen as pathetic (Slouching Soldier), likely was gravely wounded (Fainting Warrior), maybe they hid that scar and people saw weakness they thought was cowardice.

Night: seen as scholarly to a fault (Sneezing Geographer), likely was busy with students (Levitating Adept)

salem dont compare me to a certain someone from alasdair's fics, im gonna get dinner asap now

[keen shore]

YEAH I REALLY LOVE AND SHARE THESE IDEAS, also 🤝🤝 on sunset being hard because the spirits that match their mask are literally just Guys. It could be about them being super competitive and accomplished, as well as maybe one of them being into manta racing bc backflip rides a manta around, but it’s super hard to tell

[keen shore]

AIEJWODJWI I WASNT GOING TO SAY IT BECAUSE I ALSO PUT OFF DINNER TO YELL ABOUT THINGS LIKE THIS

[rigid mural]

the shushing light scholar syndrome

[keen shore]

I regularly skip breakfast to attend wax hour bc I’m usually not that hungry anyways and I knew as soon as I admitted it the jokes that would flood in

[rigid mural]

top 10 moments before history was made: landing on the lightseeker's platform to blow them a kiss because ze decided to write about them

[uncut pond]

You say the flower, but I say maybe the PRINCE HIMSELF is up to something......

[rigid mural]

THE HOLY RELICS

[keen shore]

You can carbon date this picture because of how tall I am

[rigid mural]

spell to make salem even smaller, like to charge, reblog to cast

[violet sundial]

Shushing light scholar evil

[rigid mural]

shushing light scholar isnt evil, they made the shush emote at fireworks spammers when they saw i got overhelmed, they're the misunderstood autistic icon we need

[keen shore]

Okay I got momentarily distracted by the meme, sorry. But in all actuality I can kinda see this and was wondering it for a little bit. I mean both of them fell from the sky and presumably died in Eden… hmmm…
It’s really hard to tell and I don’t know if it would tell us much anyways so I basically just went Huh… what if… and then forgot about it

[violet sundial]

Cus i was reliving their memory and i was at the end and i dropped the light in between one of the cracks and it fell into the void and died i was. Very angry to say the least

[rigid mural]

skill issue

[keen shore]

you dropped THEIR light and are calling THEM evil? Victim blaming… /j

[uncut pond]

Yeah I just think that if we're going with the theory of TLP spirits being caricatures of the elders then the Prince must be... The Prince...?

WHICH MEANS

THE ROSE IS THE VOID OF SHATTERING
THE ROSE KILLED THEM ALL

[violet sundial]

Grabs you and throws u into fire prophet’s galo thymos shrine room (its hidden in his trial)

[rigid mural]

cranky because you cant jump from platform to platform, aren't you

[keen shore]

Isn’t galo thymos a type of sports drink with electrolytes in it? /j

[violet sundial]

LMAO no its an anime firefighter guy

[rigid mural]

i dont watch anna may

[violet sundial]

Fire prophet likes anime i think
One of the hints right
Also i don’t either a friend wanted to watch a movie with me

[rigid mural]

Fire Prophet sounds like an absolute friend, I'd make them popcorn

[uncut pond]

I just looked it up in Google and damn I can see why Fire Prophet would have a shrine to him

[keen shore]

if we are saying that tlp is supposed to mirror the king does that mean night canonically thought they were really weird and tried to study them like bacteria

[fickle wing]

sometimes i think abt how one of fire prophets hints is watches anime n air prophet has one that says they watch anime w a friend like……….bro……they watch anime together……..

[violet sundial]

Gosh i wanna draw this so bad now

[rigid mural]

HELP
thats what psychologists do when they find out you're ND

[keen shore]

fire prophet makes popcorn with their mind

[uncut pond]

I'M CRYINF

[keen shore]

I say bacteria because they are short enough to be viewed under a microscope

[rigid mural]

MICROWAVELENGHTS

[violet sundial]

BDJSBJDDJHDJ

[fickle wing]

i have a hc that the prophets have atla style bending w their associated elements so. Handing fire proph one of those popcorn microwave bags and having them hold it + that hc = 🍿

[uncut pond]

Wait wait but hold on THIS JUST GAVE ME AN IDEA ABOUT TLP AND VAULT AND THE PRINCE

[keen shore]

YES THATS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY. they use the fire powers just to cook things like popcorn and hot pockets

[eternal totem]

https://twitter.com/cecilkimla1/status/1552434061234569216?s=21&t=m2lFH_Xdv4LpMlP9NCxawg ARTBOOK

[fickle wing]

YO

[raw crypt]

AAAAAAAAAA

[violet sundial]

OH

YESYESYES OH MY GOD LETS GOOOOOO

[fickle wing]

GRABBING THIS BOOK AND

[tacit zinc]

maybe i am fire prophet

[fair knot]

Could LP be a caricature of the King/Prince?? ... Since the King may be a Skykid like us, and one of the spirits from TLP season was trying to find one Kid from the star but could not see the kid by his side

[violet sundial]

Pls tell me we’re gonna get seasonal concept art oh my goddd

[rigid mural]

i intend to buy that book so if there's lore in there, you guys will be the first to know

[keen shore]

OHHHHH I WANT ENCHANTMENT AND PRIOHECY CONETP ART SO BAD

[fickle wing]

sanc concept art in my mouth please please pl

[raw crypt]

OHH MY GOD I NEED IT SOO BAD

[eternal totem]

CROSSING MY FINGERS AND TOES

[tacit zinc]

i wanna buy it so bad aughfh

[violet sundial]

I really really want to see Gratitude concepts
There’s like nothing becomes emo

[rigid mural]

MORE LIGHTSEEKER AND FLIGHT CONCEPT ART I NEED TO SEE MY BLORBOS

[keen shore]

Dreams concept art… it would be so cute

[rigid mural]

assembly concept art if they arent cowards

[worldly quest]

I got a lore question: what is megabird (a.k.a the light)'s enemy, is it eden or someone else, I am working on a art of it ^^'

[keen shore]

That’s a lie I cannot focus anything else but on the possibility of ench/prophecy concept art. Especially if it confirms they have a link of some kind

[eager eagle]

AAA ART BOOK YES

[violet sundial]

Yes
I feel like ls concept art kinda is assembly concept art in a way

[uncut pond]

I just had an idea concerning TLP

In geographer's memory we see them so busy studying a prophecy of their meeting with a visitor from another planet that they don't notice that visitor is with them

If we combine this with the theory of caricatures maybe VAULT WAS OBSESSED WITH THE PROPHECY MURALS and when the real Chosen One arrived they were just ignored because no one thought they were the One they were waiting for and they they kept waiting and studying the prophecy while One was just ignored

Also wow Sky art book?????

[violet sundial]

Feels like some old stuff was recycled, esp the more playful concepts

[keen shore]

I WANT THE ASSEMBLY CONCEPT ART SO IT FINALLY CONFIRMS HOW ITS CONNECTED TO LS SOOOO BAD

[eternal totem]

Just absolutely anything we haven’t seen before

[tacit zinc]

id love to see more art than whats offered in tom zhao’s portfolio, i just dont know where to look

[uncut pond]

Inb4 it's just a compilation of Tom Zhao's most well known pieces

[eternal totem]

We have 1 (one) crumb of Enchantment concept art from Ash’s portfolio

[fickle wing]

i know we have a handful already but i am going pspspsps at the elder concepts maybe even more of these

[raw crypt]

GOD IF ITS ALL STUFF WEVE SEEN ALREADY I WILL CRY 💔💔💔

[violet sundial]

Tgc shared stuff on their livestreams for the first few seasons iirc

Mostly belonging and lightseekers tho

[rigid mural]

looks too thick for that, journey artbook was originally 60 bucks so i am sure the sky one will be big enough to warrant that price

[eternal totem]

Honestly it might be an even mix of both but the preview post of that book, it looks hella heavy

[uncut pond]

Hmm true

[fair knot]

Reika Yoshino has some officials artworks on Artstation

[fickle wing]

throwing the sky art book as a weapon

[raw crypt]

tgc tgc pspspspsp

[rigid mural]

i could smash a window with that book

[fickle wing]

lore chat weapon of choice
a book

[eternal totem]

And maybe, just maybe, there could be more volumes, Sky art books have always been in high demand

[violet sundial]

YESSS seasonal volume mayb

[rigid mural]

tgc i will pay real money for art books pspspspsppspspsppspspspspspspsppsps

[tacit zinc]

i was gonna say the splat artbook was $30 but now seeing it might be double that im kind of scared

[rigid mural]

journey artbook is out of print and now around 500 bucks online

[violet sundial]

The splatoon artbooks are absolutely HUGE btw

[raw crypt]

oh my god im so excited hopefully its released this year/next merch wave

[keen shore]

what if they forget about it like spirit props /j

[eternal totem]

Doomed timeline

[uncut pond]

If this book turns out to not have anything new we should riot by creating our own lore bible and make a physical version of it

It should be all the mspaint comics of spirits goofing around that lorechat has made

[fair knot]

@tacit zinc The link to her artstation ... She is an Environment Artist at TGC https://www.artstation.com/ryoshino

[violet sundial]

U had me there for a second

[keen shore]

those arts were made by vela btw!

[violet sundial]

Homestuck? In my lorechat? 😱😱😱😱🤓‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️

[eternal totem]

Silence.

[fickle wing]

samekh is a valid troll name

[rigid mural]

dark i read homestuck too, we're all cringe here

[tacit zinc]

no

[floral grove]

You got Samekhed

[violet sundial]

Ash may or may not have read homestuck/gen

[eternal totem]

You’re right…

[keen shore]

what is homestuck even about I never read it. Is it like. A bunch of people stuck in their house

[rigid mural]

valley eldered even

[tacit zinc]

someone quick draw them as trolls

[uncut pond]

Haven't read it either but from what I've heard it's best not to know

Ignorance is bliss sometimes

[violet sundial]

I literally cannot explain homestuck in a concise manner

[eternal totem]

I don’t think it’s possible to explain unless you read it for yourself, even I still have no idea 10k panels later

[fickle wing]

hey since we have some zodiac signs for some spirits would it be possible to. Give them trollsonas

[tacit zinc]

i only read to act like… 3

[floral grove]

Ancestor mother complains to the King after Samekh stole the child's ball while yelling "You just got Valley Eldered"

[violet sundial]

It’s like 8,000 pages☠️ i like it though

[earnest briar]

I want to see Tsadi and Resh getting a divorce in court; Lamed is the judge lol

[rigid mural]

homestuck summary: kid triggers the end of the world by loading a cursed game, has adventures with his friends in a universe parallel to zodiac gremlins.

[keen shore]

all I’m envisioning when people say troll is like the troll meme face

[eternal totem]

Krii have we met today?

[fickle wing]

YEAH

[keen shore]

JEALOUSY

[earnest briar]

yooo you guys got to meet up? Awesome!

[eternal totem]

Not entirely so

[fickle wing]

normal people moment

[uncut pond]

Valley Elders scene except their masks are replaced with rage comics faces

[earnest briar]

holy honk thats a lot of Sky Kids

[rigid mural]

oh they absolutely did

[fickle wing]

which spirit would do the homestuck sharpie bath very important question

[rigid mural]

fire prophet

[fickle wing]

writing this down in me notes

[rigid mural]

theres so much surface to cover on this lad they wanted to try the bath

[violet sundial]

No cus i asked her if the TS was a homestuck or smth like that (spin dancer hints) and they said they were on tumblr at that time

[rigid mural]

i think they're still on tumblr lbr

[violet sundial]

(Ash personally was, that is. I don’t remember the details but it’s a strong possibility Ash was a homestuck)

[tacit zinc]

WEEPING

[eternal totem]

We all were on Tumblr

[rigid mural]

Where were you in 2012 if not on tumblr

[violet sundial]

I only read homestuck long after it ended

[earnest briar]

Gloating Narcissist

[tacit zinc]

watching popularmmos on yt or something

[violet sundial]

I was on. My leapfrog explorer idk

[keen shore]

I disagree with the fire prophet assessment, the truth is that this is the actual reason why the elders skin is dark gray

[rigid mural]

HELP

[raw crypt]

im still on tumblr unfortunately, its the only social media where i post my art 💔

[violet sundial]

also hiveswap is rlly cool 👍

[calm jay]

good lird what is going on in here. why is h*mestuck the topic of debate

[fickle wing]

skimming thru ts zodiacs. Water prophet is a scorpio
brb gotta make something

[rigid mural]

@ people on tumblr: i love your shoelaces

[earnest briar]

lol same I had a Transformers Rescue Bots game and it slapped

[keen shore]

Don’t worry about it

[violet sundial]

I started it 👁👄👁

[rigid mural]

you did not see me accidentally ping someone

[tacit zinc]

i have stampy and dantdm books shhh i was clinically insane in elementary school

[keen shore]

Do you guys think the dark water is like the sharpie bath

[eternal totem]

Ignore that, there’s an official artbook on the way

[rigid mural]

EXPOSED

[calm jay]

YIPPIEE!! oh thats exciting

[earnest briar]

I have a character named Kage, he's a feral boy who loves his boyfriend very much.

[tacit zinc]

those skykids you see drowning in geyser? those r homestuck fans now

[rigid mural]

ebony dark'stone..........

[tacit zinc]

how am i supposed to respond to this

[raw crypt]

lore chat all the time

[earnest briar]

you don't lol

[keen shore]

. @frigid tinsel

[violet sundial]

WATER PROPHET IS A VRISKA KINNIE GOODNIGHT

[eternal totem]

NOOOO

[tacit zinc]

NO STOP PLEASE make it STOP🤕🤕🤕🤕🤕

my friends (cough) luka (cough) would always call me a vriska kinnie im weeping

[rigid mural]

im going to salt and pepper you

[keen shore]

NOOOOO EBONY DARK’STONE….
Edit: IS THIS THE NEW CHEESE

[fickle wing]

at least u didn’t take serket n straight up make it one of our names 💀

[eternal totem]

How did we get here

[keen shore]

waterproohets fursona is a warrior cat named vriskatail

[tacit zinc]

please dont ask me why people call me kage

[fickle wing]

im going to cast a wizard spell on you thst makes you a grill cheese

[violet sundial]

Bruh there’s this dude in my history class who reads warrior cats but when i called him a furry he got SO angry ☠️ (we’re both in high school)

[tacit zinc]

IM SOBIGNFIGNSHW

[keen shore]

this is one of the most terrifying sentences to read when you are friends with someone whose diet consists almost 80% of grilled cheese

[violet sundial]

Embrace the cringe you cannot run away ❤️

[fickle wing]

cant get over how on the ts list site thing the only thing for leap is

[tacit zinc]

like i

so back in the good ol days of 2014 i would be on a specific minecraft server wherw i would roleplay warrior cats as a half werewolf half cat half vampire you see this was the peak of my existence

[violet sundial]

Ok but
Imo we need to make a full list of every spirits favorite minecraft biome

[raw crypt]

reblog to cheese them like to cheese them

[tacit zinc]

no a full list of every spirit’s homestuck aspect

[eternal totem]

N…no

[violet sundial]

pulls out that one troll sign quiz

[keen shore]

leaping dancers only hint is the most just a guy thing ever written, I love it

[rigid mural]

should have kept your mouth shut

[keen shore]

NOOOOOOOO YOU STILL REMEMBER THE BUTTER THING??

[tacit zinc]

butter..

[rigid mural]

new fursona hint

[violet sundial]

I uh
Don’t remember that part too well oops

[dull cave]

hi lore chat how do u guys think the little prince would feel if he saw that ||darkness had fallen upon starlight desert||

[eternal totem]

I don’t either! Good

[keen shore]

Prospit sounds like prophet so based on my limited knowledge I say them

[violet sundial]

Someone bring out the Lorechat Alignment Chart for Reasons

[keen shore]

Hmmm, Dead probably

[eternal totem]

The timeline doesn’t align so I doubt he is even aware

[frigid tinsel]

Helkipi got worse

[fickle wing]

get cheese’d

[keen shore]

QKEJQODJWOFJWJDNOAKSOF AHHHHHJHHHHHH

[dull cave]

yeah ik that's why i said 'if' i miss my boy 😞

[violet sundial]

Also may i have a drop of context for the Butter Incident

[frigid tinsel]

👌

[rigid mural]

staring at galona with evil thoughts in my mind

[tacit zinc]

THIS IS A THING?

[eternal totem]

Oops, (Summons Baud)

[keen shore]

I convinced vela that I thought butter was liquid cheese on two separate occasions. Both times they fully believed me until I told them I was messing with them

[violet sundial]

@tacit zinc go on
Choose your alignment

[fickle wing]

wait it’s
not

[frigid tinsel]

I eat more than grilled cheese. The percentage should be 20%

[rigid mural]

oreos dipped in noodle broth taste so good

[violet sundial]

What kind?

[tacit zinc]

you see

[keen shore]

I am glad you recognized this post was about you

[fickle wing]

mayo wildberry poptarts tho

[eternal totem]

Artbook
Homestuck
Cursed food combinations

How does this happen

[violet sundial]

WHAT THE HELL