beta-discussion

[tawdry pine]

I would have completely missed it if a friend didn't @ me on discord, I have dual screen /split screen so there I was refreshing discord and chrome

[chrome ivy]

[tight fog]

watching these cutscenes make me MAD

[gilded parrot]

Ktjn clone reporting for duty!

[sly cairn]

O

[ruby crescent]

O

[cedar turret]

Heya! which spirit has the overalls, and how much are they? I’m trying to save up!

[chrome ivy]

Fact:He was a real person not a bot at all time.

[gilded parrot]

You rang?

[tawdry pine]

Chuckling Scout (the chubby spirit)
I don't have the price sadly...

[knotty bloom]

I know the blessing before the pants is only 17 seasonal candles, and the blessings before are less. Maybe about 48 in total?

[sleek pelican]

Ngl i kinda miss u

[bright portal]

split screening while attending lecture

[cedar turret]

UGH I LOVE HIM! HE SO CHUBBY N CUTE 🥺

[tight fog]

HIS MASK AND PANTS SO CUTE AGHHHHHH

[twin grail]

Guys I can’t see bloom tree

[tawdry pine]

Bloom is over in beta

[terse quail]

The pants look so friggin adorable on chibis!

[cedar turret]

I JUST GOT THE CHIBI MASK TODAY

[chrome ivy]

TGC: Release Beta invite
Me: Join's it
Google: You are now tester
Me:I finally can join the beta
Google: The beta tester is full. Can't download.Please try again later.
Me: It's 24 hour's mate.

[ruby crescent]

[cedar turret]

Oh no 🥺 I hope it fixes soon!

[thorny tinsel]

What is the friendly meter for?

[tawdry pine]

I got my piano, I'll try to become small in beta via potions :D

[terse quail]

Ive gone to eden just for the mask today too i think the pants might be my favourite part of this season, the lil boots on the chibis just look so adorable not to mention that the chuckling scout is so cute tooo aaaaa

[celest zodiac]

after "you are now tester" maybe you can download from the play store and login using your email that linked with your beta instead from chrome/website

[cedar turret]

Me too!! I went with a friend! I wanna get the hide n seek dress too!! SO MUCH CUTE! IMMA DIE OF UWU!!! AND IN COMPLETELY OKAY WITH THIS

[chrome ivy]

I joined beta using my gmail and when I search Sky Beta it says beta is full.

[terse quail]

OMG I literally got the chibi mask and the dress i think ill be joining you in the cuteness overdose

[cedar turret]

IM OKAY WITH THIS

[tawdry pine]

Let's not forget we're here to test new things the devs throw at us!

[subtle iris]

hi kody, i’m cody

[ruby crescent]

Heyo

[karmic plover]

Hi cody, I'm Whirthun

[gilded parrot]

[native terrace]

I'm convinced thatskymoth is a person high key lmao

[idle stump]

lol same

[subtle iris]

i think they’re controlled by the staff

[karmic plover]

No, thatskymoth has become sentient.

[ruby crescent]

[tawdry pine]

Skybot is beyond the staff's reach

[carmine thorn]

Skybot is just a finely coded and tuned bot. The creator did some really nice work on Skybot. Skybot is even open source! (edit: well, last I checked the github was public)

[abstract nacelle]

is there an application to be a skybot :D

[subtle iris]

SCP-079 has breached containment...

[idle stump]

i joined the beta after i candle ran live and i didnt have the energy to get all the spirits so i skipped them for the most part, now im going back through and getting them all

[knotty bloom]

Yea... I’m getting confused as of if I have candle ran certain realms in my live or in the beta.

[tawdry pine]

#beta-faq, I recall we are asked to play as if this is live
And bug hunting ofc
And find ways to break the game and report back how it happened

[fading pollen]

Shouldn’t we also attempt to forcefully find bugs just in case?

[carmine thorn]

In beta, you don't find bugs, the bugs find you.

[kindred belfry]

Remember that bug where ts would show up in random locations unannounced

[idle stump]

ts?

[ruby crescent]

google pls

[lyric kite]

Some people enjoy doing that, but I think generally they prefer you to just play how you normally would and if you happen to notice anything strange then report it. Vast majority of the playerbase isn't going to be trying to force the game to break, so it may not really be all that helpful in the long run. Unless they specifically ask us to focus testing on a certain thing or new feature and recreating specific circumstances in which a bug would arise

[spark lance]

someone waiting for Google fresh?

[knotty bloom]

I don’t know if you were asking what this meansss... but ts stands for traveling spirit ^^

[idle stump]

i play a lot of jojo games so im used to "ts" meaning time stop

[bitter gate]

The treehouse has those little twinkle lights in it so does that mean sky has electricity...?

[fading pollen]

My explanation would more or less be, if someone in live were to try to do something that could be a probable bug, should we not put effort forth to try and find it first? Or, a visual glitch, but that might count more as a ‘natural-occurring’ glitch.

[whole plank]

Oh! I didn't know that. I've just seen it and it's wonderful!

[neat stream]

I believe there is something like that in Sky!

And Valley used too much of it and that’s a part of the reason why Valley is so cold and... yeah

[knotty bloom]

I like to believe theyre made up of the same light/energy from the magic glowing orbs from enchantment. So magik?

[cerulean hatch]

Anyone think the afk thing will be passed onto the normal version?

Yeah I hate it

[idle stump]

why cant i get into the assembly tree? it says if i help a spirit it will let me but i got all the seasonal ones

[lyric kite]

No one can really stop you from trying if you want to, I just mean that it's probably more helpful to test the things that they are asking for immediate focus and feedback on. Things that are mentioned in the update notes are a good place to start, to see if they changes they listed seem to be working correctly. The game is never going to be in a state where there are 0 bugs at all, there's always going to be something that people could potentially do to break the game. But I think they focus more on the bugs that seem to be occurring frequently just by playing normally instead of extreme circumstances, because those types of bugs affect more players

[exotic sentinel]

The afk update is soo unfair I hope they take it away so close

[rose narwhal]

Is it me or is the last shelf in the first quest that is stuck under the tree impossible to get?

[spark lance]

It means the Seasonal quests

[subtle iris]

anyone got the spirit price charts? i want to see if i’m able to get the eyepatch mask within 8 days

[radiant drum]

You can always let them know in #beta-feedback! Just remember to explain what you dislike, what could be improved and how it affects you personally, as "soo unfair" isn't very descriptive

[neat stream]

It is, unless you glitch into the tree to get it

[exotic sentinel]

I did a feedback and explained why it's soo unfair ^^

[fading pollen]

Oh yes! Prioritize TGC’s requests first - that’s our job! But find things in extra time could be the something to do that could help, right?

[lyric kite]

Yeah, if you're playing around randomly and notice that something you do causes the game to crash or some other weirdness that you feel probably shouldn't happen, it definitely is okay to report that

[idle stump]

is there a way to get the beta cape in live by any chance? not the purchase one because i dont got da cash for all that

[carmine thorn]

I would suggest finding beta bugs. Bugs that already hit live cam be reported in the live bug channels. A good thing to try and break is all the seasonal stuff, like the cosmetics, quests, areas, etc.

[tight fog]

after you get office cape, you get the 115 candles right?

[rose surge]

yep!

[celest zodiac]

what do you mean by Beta cape?

[lyric kite]

!betareward

[gilded parrot]

The Beta Cape was a one-time reward for the testing period prior to the iOS global launch. A future reward is not planned.

[sleek pelican]

U might be looking at the wrong portal. The very first portal near entrance should get u right to the main tree house.

About beta cape in live, no.

[tight fog]

The beta free cape was only for closed beta, before the full game was released (this beta doesn't count)

[sinful pine]

i’ve seen a couple people ask for help with the “8 player door” -
may i ask what/where that is? is it apart of the season?

[idle stump]

ok, thanks. and what first portal?

[karmic plover]

Humor me for a minute, folks! I've seen the sentiment that the AFK change is unfair - I'm curious what's unfair about it? I very much understand disliking it, but when I think about fairness, I tend to arrive at the idea that, in order to acquire something, fair is people working for it, or at least being present. I'm not looking for arguments, btw, I just want to better understand your all's perspective

[ruby crescent]

[native terrace]

sips tea

[tired wraith]

but just let that apply to the homespace only, not everywhere else

[tight fog]

several people are typing

[ashen tundra]

personally i find it unfair because this system was made in order to stop the greedy campers camping under the tree overnight to gain light to their advantage, but that doesent mean that all people afking and all over the realms should be punished for it too. I tend to be busy when i accompany my friends for cr, and we just enjoy eachothers prescence. I still look at the screen whenever i wash dishes, and i do the same for them too

[ruby crescent]

only real issue i see is going afk in candle runs, some people can't be at their devices all the time.

[near sand]

It’s not impossible, but it is kind of annoying. You can chibi fall under the tree and get on top of the plant to burn it

[knotty bloom]

I think they are referring to the tree house entrance! After entering forest, that bit where you fly down entering forest, to the right before you normally land, if you look a bit, you’ll find the entrance to the tree house. It requires, I believe, 1 normal valley emote?

[gilded parrot]

I've been wondering that as well! But as beta testers we should do our best to figure out and test things on our own before asking. Remember that your struggles can help many players in the Live version and that feedback is extremely useful for TGC! Please submit them in #beta-feedback

[karmic plover]

I totally get that. I'm mostly questioning what makes removing someone's ability to (when they're not at their device) receive wax unfair.

[sleek pelican]

Imo, the problem is that it currently applies to CR in all maps

[celest zodiac]

oooh you mean the office cape sorry I didn't know what "Beta cape" mean before🙏

[idle stump]

oh its fine

[sly cairn]

It’s more annoying . If I’m candle running, I don’t want the people I help and play with to beep non stop so they aren’t “afk”. From personal experience, when wiggling the screen to stay active, it hurts my head and gives me motion sickness

[ruby crescent]

maybe remove the timer for players who are afk while an active player is holding their hand?

[tight fog]

I totally agree with the AFK thing, but for 2 minutes, its just too short. I notice many people having an "alt account" to earn extra hearts so I kinda want that to stop. Its a bit unfair getting extra 2-3 hearts just because you have more devices. Maybe the afk limit should be for 10 minutes?

[brittle raft]

A lot of people don't have the time (or energy) to CR by themselves. One of my best friends always takes me to CR because I tend to suffer from pain that makes it hard to be active in game.
Sometimes they invite people who have homework, study for tests, etc. This is a conscious decision they (and many other ubers) make and offer.
This "feature" would make this impossible to do, at least properly. It's against the objective of the game to make it harder for the ubers to help other players.

[wet sable]

The time for the wax collection stopping is much too short, people shouldn’t be punished for leaving to go to the bathroom or something for a couple minutes... their friends want to help them and most times people say they will be right back. I could understand maybe 15 or 20 minutes or more for stopping the wax collection to discourage ubers with no socializing, but most of the time people are gone for a bit longer than 2 minutes. They could also be trying to work on homework or take care of a kid or pet... people take turns leading and preventing them from getting wax on their turn to do something irl will just discourage farming wax together and lessen hanging out with friends as often, people would probably play less because they wouldn’t have time to get candles or they would farm alone. I’m so sorry this is a giant text wall

[spark lance]

a lot of people don't have the time to get candles but still would like to experience the wonderful cosmetics and emotes the world of sky offers so they and their friends can enjoy all of them together! and sometimes it's just a nice thing to do, to have a bit of silent together time.

plus many of the dynamics of ubers and ubered are ppl who enjoy leading and other people who simply have homework or actual work or a number of other things to take care of! I struggle to see why it's often seen as a negative to go afk, actually, when lots of ppl just need a break some days or don't know the route that well or, like I said are busy!

[idle stump]

ok i found it, thanks

[foggy atlas]

Without implementing changes to other aspects of the game, the AFK system still seems like it will do more harm than good imo

[eager fulcrum]

i should start by saying this system won’t affect me, as i lead almost all the time during cr. i am simply worried for my friends, who i willingly and gladly lead, that are busy. if it only applied to the “passive” wax, i would think it was fair. but as of right now, it applying to all the maps, it just doesn’t seem fair. people are often busy irl during cr. isn’t it bad enough that you have to cr every day to afford things such as ts and event items as is? i just think it’s unrealistic to expect people being lead to pay attention to the screen 24/7.

[karmic plover]

So the fairness component of this is rooted in the belief that if people are too busy/have mitigating circumstances, they shouldn't be penalized, is what I think I'm reading? Let me know if I'm off base.

[tired wraith]

I thionk at this point people will look for auto clickers
for this feature

[quaint canyon]

it might be unfair for people who don't have enough time to candle run so they get ubers, that won’t be an option for them anymore, so they can't get candles like people who have time to be active and cr daily

[slim kayak]

i have a friend that currently cannot look at their screen all the time while playing because some areas make them sick due to photo sensitivity. they love the game to bits and love hanging out with friends in the game, but they need an uber for candles. this system would just make it so much harder on them to be able to get candles.

as for me, trying to keep track of the timing between realms and alerting my friends that its time to tap on their screen if they might be busy for a moment would be very disruptive to how I play.

[near sand]

I think you should just put a limit on how much wax you can receive once a day from the tree, like the visitor from days of fortune

[subtle iris]

you can’t get decent auto clickers on mobile devices

[sly cairn]

But also if you’re being ubered around/ being social, think about the person flying around. Flying around while holding a conversation is hard. Some people use discord to socialize while cr.

[tough quest]

I think people call it unfair as it removes a long-time player workaround for the fact candle collection really does take too long, without addressing the root issue that drives AFK candle runs.

Perhaps a better description would be imbalanced. Honestly, I also wonder if ubering is truly bad for the game, as it almost seems like an example of the community helping each other out to find balance (that doesn't mean I think candle runs should take 2-3 hours though)

[tight fog]

n-nice yuri pfp

[carmine thorn]

My family's play style is unique, and have voiced it in feedback. I don't know who else does it, but the 3 of us play sky together, in the same room, and my phone casts it's screen to our TV. The other two players are there, watching what I do, but aren't watching their device, they are watching what I am casting... Unless I need their assistances like a door or a split or something. Especially with the Switch release around the corner, this unique scenario might be more common. (Watching your RL friend run you on a 55" TV is more appealing than looking at your 6" phone) As long as the AFK flag only counts towards players not being led, it would be fair.

[karmic plover]

Hypothetical scenario that I'm making up as someone who is not a game designer - what if it took 10 minutes to be marked as AFK, and all you had to do in that time was swipe your finger once, or send a single message? Does that address some of these concerns?

[ruby crescent]

not to mention that i tend to just lay back and watch my screen sometimes when im being ubered during a cr, not actually interacting with the game

[chrome ivy]

I finally got the betaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa . Thanks google wasting my 24 hours+

[karmic plover]

Those of you saying 20, explain the number for me!

[brittle raft]

Some people sometimes have to eat in the middle of CRs and while I myself am a fast eater (?) it's too short for some other people.
But i'd prefer if this feature wasn't added at all. And instead a "hard cap" to wax collection was added to prevent abuse of the tree wax, or any other similar features you plan on creating on the future.

[sly cairn]

Yea only if there was an active timer since I have bad time processing issues

Edit: but I also don’t see the purpose of afk system. Afk people do get punished via doors that need to be unlocked , cutscenes, etc.

[foggy atlas]

Each situation is circumstantial
I personally think 10 minutes is still too short
I would put it at 30 mins minimum assuming it still applies to candle running
Although I am still against it overall

[spark lance]

I still think it's unfair as, often times I have been with friends who are afk for a cast majority of the run, 95% of it maybe. not all the time but y'know how homework can pile up or, even maybe u want to work on a project while still getting the daily wax to get traveling spirits and other things! I don't think there should be any penalty for being afk, I understand the concern it attempts to address but pretty much everyone I know still loves to experience the game while also needing some days to not be completely there during a cr

[ruby crescent]

id rather not be marked as afk while im holding hands of an active uber/in a group with an active uber, regardless of the afk timer

[spark lance]

Toilet break and bath time probably take more than 10 mins... >_> I think

[tough quest]

I think I'm skeptical mostly of changing the system without/before fixing the root issue for most players. Obviously a longer time in live will help, but I don't know why this change can't come as a rework of light overall, to reduce run times and encourage activity

[quaint canyon]

Thanks Whirthun for listening to our opinions

[karmic plover]

I mentioned it earlier, but there will be some stuff coming in Daily Light that I think will go some of the way to addressing your concerns - but I hear the feedback, mostly around the order of it.

[slim kayak]

adding that to what the system is like now, (just tapping anything on the menu, sending a message, moving through a loading zone into a new area, will reset the counter) i think i would feel better... but not entirely. i think adding something like a visual and/or audio cue while hand holding would help even more. that way the leader will know when someone has stopped collecting wax. but i still would prefer to not have this system regardless, it's just too disruptive to gameplay

[tawdry pine]

Not if you're fast enough

Also I wouldn't recommend touching electronic devices after a shower/bath-

[sinful pine]

i feel so much respect for this dev/staff member

[spark lance]

oh yes I've also taken showers while being led, that's important to get done but it take longer than two minutes! and I don't want to miss out on an area simply because the timing of a cr lined up with my shower

[spark lance]

lol.. u dun wanna be stuck in the toilet when you are doing your big business and worrying about not getting wax?

[spice zodiac]

i'm a daily full cr uber who enjoys unbering his friends, my runs are mostly muscle memory so i put on music or a stream while i run, my friends and i either enjoy eachother's company in silence or have fruitful conversations, silence isn't inherently a bad thing to me at all

[pseudo root]

Honestly 5-10 minutes is perfect what are you gonna be doing for 20-30 minutes that’s just ridiculous and if it’s gonna be really long all you gotta do is just get off the game and get back on when you are all set that’s all

[tight fog]

whirthun is helping LOTS hehe talk about community shepherd

[karmic plover]

Thank you all for the explanations! The context is super useful, specifically around:

• People with disabilities
• What constitutes an amount of time for 'a break'
• The fact ubering is a social bonding activity, even if that bonding doesn't take place in Sky

[tired wraith]

||you kinda sound broke tbh||

[ruby crescent]

now, if you're playing solo, i wouldn't mind the timer, personally

[karmic plover]

Again - I'm just me collecting feedback, but I did want to have a better understanding.

[eager fulcrum]

actually an audio cue would be great 🤔 maybe like a beeping countdown for the person afking. if someone is doing work and focusing they might forget to tap the screen, therefore missing wax until they realize. but also, audio is broken right now 🥲 so that should probably be fixed first

[celest zodiac]

agree! 10 minute

[barren moss]

thank you for talking about this

[sly cairn]

It’s just hard since now that I have a new perspective, candles are hard to come by (hearts are EVEM WORSE) so having afk isn’t solving the issue

[spiral dawn]

personally i am led around alot in the live version. i think the time slot should be longer, sometimes i have to take out my elderly dog and that takes more than 2 minutes. id have to tell my friends to stop where they are until im back which is not great for any of us

[whole plank]

Perhaps the confusion of people is due to the fact that they started modifying AFK before the full picture of Daily Light was revealed. There are deep reasons and ideals for Daily Light, and if we continue to develop it in the future, I think that confusion can be reduced if the order of step-by-step implementation is carefully considered.

[sleek kettle]

Me and my suffering for waiting google to let me download beta

[tawdry pine]

Why is this directed at me-
Guess I can answer? I don't usually have bath breaks mid game, if I do I lock the screen and go.
I don't do it mid Uber cause 1- I play solo 75% of the time and 2-I personally see it kinda rude... It's just me cause all the times I've been ubered has been with a friend who we often chat during the ubering

[quaint canyon]

Maybe went to eat, or doing hw pressing screen every 2 mins would distract you

[idle stump]

or u can just take a break from ur device untill your done with other important stuff u gotta do

[radiant drum]

Remember that Ktjn explained the timer is short rn for testing purposes Feedback on how long you think it should be (if at all) is helpful!

[karmic plover]

Yeah, that's a whole other conversation, I think, but the perspective is noted.

[spark lance]

sorry, I was directing it at you... my bad. I was just explaining my point

[carmine thorn]

Anytime. Another scenario for bullet point 3 is the absence of voice comms in Sky. I know it's for security and agree to not have it in the game, but with trusted online friends, sometimes we use Discord to chat while one of us leads a CR or WL run (WL run wouldn't cause an afk flag obviously, unless they are truly afk and don't tap the WL)

[spark lance]

out here waiting for google
but better than late than never

[pseudo root]

Yes it would distract you that’s why you should just shut off the game and when you are all set with what you are doing you come back on or just eat quick I don’t think 2 minutes is good I think 5-10 is perfect tho

[tight fog]

best staff member 😎

[karmic plover]

This is where I personally tend to net out, not as a TGC member, but as someone who has played MMOs for a long time. I would never expect to play an MMO with a friend and just peace out for hours and still get XP, but I wanted to be sure that I was being mindful of perspectives that were not my own - and I've learned a lot!

I'm heading out for the night. Thanks for the chat, everyone. Keep the feedback (respectful) coming!

[quaint canyon]

well maybe the rest of day i won’t be able to have my phone, maybe the only time I use phone is while doing hw, yk not everyone has their phone all day

[spice zodiac]

i'd say i see the major difference between sky and other mmos is that sky is mainly a game about helping others and people you care about, and this is where uber culture comes in

[pseudo root]

If the only time you have your phone is doing homework then I would think the only way to do this is to just look and swipe your screen every couple minutes or if it gets changed then however long that will be

[steady pond]

afk systems are put in mmos to punish something but what is there to punish in sky? thats the issue i have w/ the system tbh

[exotic sentinel]

What is mmos ?

[fading quarry]

any luck with beta for android users?

[ruby crescent]

nada

[foggy atlas]

Exactly
And that’s why I feel like the AFK system being implemented on cr instead of just home or passive candle earning is just too disruptive

[chrome ivy]

I finally got it

[quaint canyon]

It would be hard to remember to touch the screen every few mins while doing something else

[grave kayak]

Nope

[carmine thorn]

I agree with this 100% if it's only to prevent the abuse of passive light from objects like the tree, just implement it on those items, not the whole game.

[kindred belfry]

It just feels like there’s no reason to implement. No one saw anything wrong with the way things were.. why change something that was never broken

[brittle raft]

Also for neurodivergent folks it can end up with you forgetting about your current task

[ruby crescent]

do anything in particular to get it to register or...?

[ashen tundra]

hello everyone! sorry for the off topic but im curious about your opinions regarding all the assembly props looking all the same on your back i think the backpack is pretty cool, but i only want it to apply to one prop and not all of them, i like all their unique looks on your back. Ive already sent feedback about this, the tent is most likely to make sense looking like a backpack in my opinion.

[foggy atlas]

Some people just have no other way
Not everyone can simply make break time out of thing air whenever they please

[timid bough]

assembly props is still a mystery we don't know iff its even finished lol

[tight fog]

bro im in beta rn, and these people are server filling the 4 player door and they don't wanna open it

[steady pond]

no one "expects" amounts of XP when your friend leads though? like, most ubers do it out of compassion and some even do it precisely because they know their friend is going to AFK/have things to do.
its a system built on mutual trust, no ones exploiting anyone unless the AFKer does it on purpose when the leader doesn't want someone to AFK

edit: in whichcase you're not even forced to bring the AFKer along lol. just unhold their hand and move on

[tawdry hemlock]

When the flying dragon dropped light, harvesting it required active effort. I understand that they might’ve wanted something less hectic to fit the blossom-viewing esthetic, but there should be something that isn’t completely passive and AFKable either.

[foggy atlas]

I agree with you
I don’t like them looking the same
Only one or two of them should be in bags
And if they are all in bags still, I would want to be able to tell the difference between them (maybe through colors or shapes?)

[sinful pine]

i’m not arguing about this ;-;
everyone has their own opinions

[brittle raft]

Exactly.

[eager fulcrum]

xp levels you up and makes you stronger, giving you an advantage gameplay wise. wax does no such thing. sure you get cosmetics, but gameplay wise it doesn’t make you stronger. i feel like i should say that. comparing wax to xp implies you get stronger, in my opinion

[sly cairn]

If anything I like having ubers even if they are “afk’’ because I benefit from the constant energy recharge

[exotic sentinel]

What is the wrong if friends helping each other to cr ? If all happy to collect for there friends ? 🙂 i always love to ubarig for my friends when they are busy and get a lot of hugs

[sleek pelican]

I kinda take turns with my friend to lead so we help each other to get candles. U busy, i drive. I busy, u drive. With anti AFK on CR we'll all be running alone

[tawdry hemlock]

Some props give gameplay advantages, esp. light sources— TGC has been pretty good about balancing candle/heart items vs IAPs

[slim kayak]

this whole game is built upon altruism and compassion towards other players. why wouldn't we want to help our friends if they're busy? i just don't see a point in punishing something that derives from a core aspect of the game

[foggy atlas]

No one is arguing with you
Just responding to your statement in a public chat
It’s a discussion

[quick crag]

YES like seriously if my friend does not have the time for it and I do I want to help them

[tight fog]

s h a d o w (nvm)

[sinful pine]

and i’m simply stating that i’m not going to have this very opinionated discussion anymore...

[ashen tundra]

The tent seems to be non-seasonal correct? And will stay with the quest giver even if the season ends. So i think the tent looking like a backpack when you equip it on your pack will be very fitting. And it would be cool to see players that didnt experience assembly have those backpacks

[carmine thorn]

When AFK hits live: Sky version 1.0.0 with less altruism

[kindred belfry]

I think we also need to point out that afk and ubers are a mutually beneficial relationships!!! The Uber gets through the map faster because they’re constantly being recharged by inactive friends. The friends get wax. Everyone wins!

[chrome ivy]

How long the AFK things last? I need to candle run main game first before exploring Beta

[rain delta]

I think what would be cool is if the backpack had the icon of the prop on them XD but either way the functionality of the backpack hasn’t been revealed yet. We don’t know what it is, so let’s wait and see!

[steady pond]

its a kind of messy situation lol like
TGC: we want you to have compassion and help out other players
players: OK (drags AFK friends for a run bc they dont have time to run themselves)
TGC: no not like that

[celest zodiac]

Woah you are TGC member? Thank you for your hardwok!! ❤️ I really like sky and no matter how many bug in there, the game still the best!!!!

[quick crag]

Exactly! And tbh if I'm not doing it to help out someone else I zone out and never get anything done XD

[foggy atlas]

I mean
With each change, the aspect of altruism seems to get lost even more...
The increase in likes and prices just encourages less altruism overall
and now the way we help each other to be able to afford things is wrong too?

[spice zodiac]

sometimes there are contradictions that's why we're talking 😭

[ashen tundra]

Kind of like a souvenier of some sorts or remembrance when you finished summer camp

[narrow oracle]

This just makes no sense. With all due respect to the person who came up with the idea, but...

1. What is holding hands supposed to be for??

2. Didn't you want to help people with little time to play??

3. Forcing players to socialize isn't nice at all, i find it very disgusting, I'm NOT PLAYING THIS ANY LONGER.

4. Do you want to make the game more social?? Enable deleting people from friend list. I never add new people because my list will be full when they don't play anymore. I just keep my old friends (and the moths i added who already quit the game)

[steady pond]

on another note, i'll be honest, i will never agree with the AFK system, and i know majority of the chat doesn't like it either, but i hope anyone supporting the AFK system doesn't feel like they're being dogpiled lol.
different opinions still matter and offer different perspectives even if i don't necessarily agree w them 😔 it's still good to get it out there and putting it in #beta-feedback so the devs can hear our thoughts

[spark lance]

It’s been a while since ive been in beta and theres a 𝘄𝗵𝗮𝘁,, afk thing?

[quick crag]

They act like everything that we do to show appreciation for friends isn't social enough- like some of us just want to help out a friend rather than be social 🧍

[exotic sentinel]

Is there anything makes us happy more then when we help our friends and makes them happy !!
What is our value if we aren't helpful for our friends!

[ruby crescent]

basically going afk disables wax collection

[radiant drum]

Just a general reminder to please express your thoughts in #beta-feedback if you haven't already! Even if you already responded to Whirthun when they were here, sending it in that channel ensures all of the dev team can read it and it's truly important if you want to be heard

[foggy atlas]

Many of us have already but yes thank you

[timid bough]

maybe its just general perspectives on what the game is generating different opinions towards it

[terse quail]

I’ve mentioned this in the feedback, but as someone who enjoys ubering people, it’s nice to just keep each other’s company, it makes it feel less lonely, but that doesn’t mean I necessarily want to talk. I don’t think that the afk system really takes this into consideration. Silent company is still company.

[steady pond]

for people who play sky as a game and nothing more (which is perfectly valid btw, people play games for different reasons), AFK system might not be that bad to them
for others who use it as a way to connect w/ friends then yeah they'd be more likely to disagree with the AFK system imo

[carmine thorn]

They're not afk, they're with you in spirit.

[near sand]

For the use of the #beta-feedback channel, can we put what the devs should include in the live version? I put that the completed treehouse only has chuckle boi and pot boi in there, the whole squad should be in there

[foggy atlas]

Agreed
I prefer not chatting in game a lot of the time (many times through discord or another app)
Silence is comforting at many times too

[rain delta]

I still think this needs to be left up to players’ discretion and players should be the ones to decide whether they want to Continue taking someone along for the ride or not. If someone wants to help me knowing I’m going to be afk , then they are helping me out of consideration. At the same time, they don’t need to help me either and can just drop me at any point. Sky doesn’t have XP points and also isn’t sky about altruism? Where does unfairness come in for altruism? It’s not like the option of disengaging hand hold doesn’t exist. If someone feels it’s unfair, they can disengage hand hold at any time. This isn’t unfair for anyone. It would be unfair if you couldn’t un-hold hands with players. Ubers can remove any player who isn’t responding at any time.

Also, timers are just frustrating to work with. Every 10 minutes: 1) I’d need to remember that 10 minutes passed by, then move the camera around.. lol this feels like that thing you so sometimes to keep your laptop from going to sleep

[grave kayak]

And the chats cover up where we're going as ubers or just guiding a friend

[winter current]

hey! @harsh vessel i happened to be looking through the beta bug reports channel and i noticed your bug report if you're new to beta, you may not know that the qr codes to add a friend don't work the same way they do in the live version of the game. it's detailed in this message in #beta-faq -> #beta-faq message i hope that helps!

[toxic spruce]

i don’t get why everyone is so focused on chatting... it clearly said camera movement counts as well, no one is forcing you to talk...

[carmine thorn]

Imagine watching a movie on your laptop but have to move the mouse every 10mins to not have it turn off.

[terse quail]

I find the in game chat is often late, or messages don’t show up at all.

But either way, with ubering, both parties get something out of it and both parties are helping each other to achieve that goal easier. If that’s not good, what is

[foggy atlas]

If you scroll up, you can see we have spoken about many other points

[slim kayak]

i think its more so about the notion of keeping track of when you have to tap your screen every 5-10 minutes. i know for me, i would get distracted and forget

[swift edge]

I don't understand why TGC wants to FORCE us to interact... maybe too many servers full with people that are not interacting? Maybe they want to be able to cut some servers or maybe they want us to buy candles.
I am still trying to see any advantages this system will bring. So far I only see advantages for TGC and now more than ever I think they wanted to add this system a while ago

[steady pond]

the laptop thing is such a genius analogy lol

[quick crag]

Yeah I personally move my screen an unholy amount during candle runs but not everyone does that and its not a good way to keep track of it

[rain delta]

EXACTLY I’m not even sure why sky is being compared to an MMO... it’s not even remotely the same thing... you’re not fighting boss monsters where your presence in the game makes or breaks your team’s survival chances

[tawdry hemlock]

...part of the AFK changes are presumably due to TGC wanting to sustain revenue from candle purchases, but I wonder how that compares to revenue from season passes and IAP items? The seasons and IAP seem to be getting more frequent?

[spice zodiac]

(just inbetween the current conversation may i ask if any android users who couldn't download the app could download it ever since, wanting to see if there has been updates on this for anyone hhh)

[grave kayak]

Nope I'm still waiting :)

[radiant drum]

I've seen a few people today say they could download it

[ruby crescent]

[quaint canyon]

i downloaded beta just fine directly when the invites were out

[radiant drum]

Google is truly just a joke every time

[sleek pelican]

Except that one time when iOS update were delayed

[foggy atlas]

Apparently we gotta battle krills now

[lusty light]

Seasons are consistently 10 weeks long with a few weeks break in between? When the game launched seasons were only 6 weeks long so they’ve actually become less frequent

[chrome ivy]

This is how. Google works

[cosmic axle]

I'm patiently waiting. I've been trying for a year to make the invite waves, now that I got in and also having been aware it's a google issue.. I just gotta keep trying. If I don't make it in this time I'll just try again 😌

[bright portal]

Google looking at the new beta testers : Meh.... I'll check it out later (for the next few days)

[rain delta]

I hope whirthun read my message >< I responded totally late ;-;

[dull brook]

A lot of my friends cannot be at their phone consistently every day, especially not for 2-3 hours for a full candlerun. While I can definitely understand wanting to make sure players are engaged, I am in a community where some players I know either due to other responsibilities or their focus' strength for using their tech is limiting on their ability to be with the game during candleruns! It makes it really hard for them to candlerun on their own, and it'll really end up hurting players like them when they can't let a friend lead their character through the game and they don't have the ability to go on their own. I have been one of those players, and I only got the "free" Days of Feast cosmetics because I was able to let a friend lead me through the candlerun for a few days when my desire to play was high but my eyes' ability to handle the motion of the camera/scenery at the time was low.

[grave kayak]

Apparently. Every time I go in GW the krill catches me even after I'm completely out of range or not even in sight.

[foggy atlas]

I wonder what they’ll make us use as swords next

[radiant drum]

Whirthun isn't in chat anymore, so you can always send it in #beta-feedback as well if you haven't already You might not get a response, but they will read it there

[timid bough]

MMO means massively multiplayer online not essentially must be a combat game

[quick crag]

They get it! I have friends that are super busy all day and I dont want them losing sleep over sky! Its much easier for me to drag them while they study or eat or whatever than them try to navigate the game in an exhausted sleep deprived state

[rain delta]

An MMO is a very bad comparison to sky tho :’( firstly you aren’t fighting anything in sky, there’s no XP
And where your reason for collaborating with other players in MMOs is to defeat something, the same can’t be said about sky.

My presence/ or lack there of isn’t going to kill my team or affect our survivability
Lol if anything, the moment I become a burden, my Uber has all the means to make me krill fodder

[swift edge]

I am feeling sad ever since we got to test this new afk system to be very honest to u all
All my friends have different time zones we really think we won't to be able to cr together anymore if that comes to live version, not to mention the friends that said they will quit the game.
Sure, sky doesn't only have cosmetics so we shouldn't only go for candles but when u finish everything in game the only thing left is candles and I can talk to my friends in discord, instagram etc so I get why they feel like there is no point in keeping the game especially when it needs so much storage...
I know there is a chance the afk system won't go to live yet I never felt so hopeless

[foggy atlas]

After discussing this for hours with multiple people with different perspectives, I still fail to see how this system brings any good
The cons outweigh the pros overwhelmingly in my opinion

[dull brook]

Agreed.

[hardy mango]

Huh... well looking back over the chat it’s nice to see TGC is taking our feedback into account. I know I for example have a lot of friends who only cr because they can get hw and stuff done while someone else leads and if they can’t do that, they just won’t get any candles. Heck, they might even leave the game entirely

[swift edge]

These little makes me feel not so bad when I think about all this. Thanks guys. It's a little support but it made me feel a bit better

[fresh timber]

Does Auto clicker can solve the afk system? Ehe

[vagrant heart]

Auto clickers are strictly against the Terms of Service of Sky.

[quick crag]

Sky is a HUGE comfort media of mine but honestly I can't deal with tgc's useless updates that only seem to make the message of sky more and more lost

[wispy mulch]

Can we rename it "Sky: children of the cr go brrr"

[tired wraith]

just thinking about it,
||TGC deleted probably half of the players in one update||

[swift edge]

People were sitting under a tree and made all this mess start.... people will definitely use auto clickers and then TGC will have to fight those as well

[foggy atlas]

I have felt hopeless as of late in regards to sky as well
But seeing this support right now between the people here... nothing can take that away

[ruby crescent]

[steady pond]

if people are resorting to TOS breaking auto clickers just to avoid the AFK system, that already says plenty about it imo

[hardy mango]

Entirely agree... I can’t leave sky because irl has been so miserable for me lately that Sky’s world is like an escape of sorts, but if I start losing my friends it won’t feel the same. Yet I can’t ever really leave because the Elders are like comfort characters and I can’t just abandon that 😭

[tawdry hemlock]

But should the message of Sky be “get all the candles so you can get ALL THE THINGS” either?

[quick crag]

Mhm the community is what gives me hope

[spark lance]

they shouldn't punish the majority for the flaws of the minority

did not think this was going to happen??

[carmine thorn]

A stylus tip and one of those "drinking ducks" or whatever they're called also circumvents the afk system...

[slim kayak]

omg i have to see this set up one day lol

[spice zodiac]

ho boy i feel all of you 🧍🏽‍♂️

[dull brook]

The daily light is one thing - I've been able to help friends get our average goal of 15 candles a day faster than before, albeit it makes it harder to gain more candles than that 15 quickly - but an AFK system... I really feel like it's pushing away the ability for people to quietly enjoy the game when with friends. I myself go nonverbal sometimes and if I'm not leading the group candlerun at the time this can result in me not touching the screen, even while I'm present at the game!

[steady pond]

my phones touchscreen detects my cat so if i want to circumvent AFK all i have to do is put my phone under my cat while hes taking a 6hr nap and im good

[hardy mango]

I honestly can’t believe this is all over people afk overnight under the tree, either
Like what do you get? A candle? Two maybe? It’s not even worth the strain on your device, let alone a whole new game mechanic

[spark lance]

I dont think people should quit sky when the afk thing isnt even in live yet. Or I guess completely quit, sometimes its nice to just enjoy the scenery. I think send feedback and let them know your thoughts, seeing as most people dont agree with it, I dont think it will? Understandable if you decide due to other issues though cause I dont think this afk thing should be even be a consideration they shouldve just added limitation to the tree itself not the entire game ,you went from 0-100. 😬

[tawdry pine]

The phone on the morning:

[foggy atlas]

Omg I have cats too
This is genius
Thank you

[swift edge]

I hate how this feels like we are fighting an "evil" organization to be able to continue with our way of living 🥲

[radiant drum]

If this was all because of the tree, they would've changed the tree. It's best to think of the system as its own thing, even if you still dislike it

[quick crag]

Fr! I highly doubt the result of afking under that damn thing gives you any more than 2 and half candles at most

[rain delta]

So in summary, this is what i’m noticing: (feel free to add more and maybe we can compile all these down for devs)

1. AFK timer doesn’t leave AFKers to the players discretion, I.e even if as an uber I want to take an afk player along as far as I can and help them out, I can’t because the system blocks me

2. Some people have disabilities that make it hard for them to traverse some areas of sky

3. It reduces playing methods and requires all friends to be glued to the device they are running sky on... i.e screencasts with one device and cr-ing with friends is broken now

4. Requires people to every 10 minutes prove they are awake, which is the same as trying to keep your laptop from falling asleep

[radiant drum]

Whirthun was just here collecting some thoughts and feedback from chat, it might be worth a read if you think they are evil

[carmine thorn]

I might try and find one, since I would have to do something similar this for my GF and her son to ensure they get wax when I run us in live. (we are social, just IRL, while I run us and we enjoy the same game on the TV instead of being on separate devices)

[rose surge]

yes, i agree. what an excuse to prepare a new system just for an event that will be leaving in a few days

[radiant drum]

Ultimately the devs want to make the game better for people, even if you disagree with some ideas or changes it can help to keep that in mind. Explain to them what you like and dislike, how it impacts you personally, and what you would like to see more of or changed

[foggy atlas]

The fact that they used the tree as main example, didn’t help them transmit that properly

[swift edge]

Nah they are not. TGC is just trying to make us play in the way they think we should play. That's why I put the " "

[ruby crescent]

TGC is far from evil, you can't be right 100% of the time, they are just testing new ideas and this one in particular didn't go over too great

[quick crag]

Honestly if they have other motives I think they should say them straight up. I'm not gonna theorize about why this system is here just cuz tgc is afraid to admit the reason for it

[hardy mango]

It’s making me sad tbh, because TGC is probably my favorite game company because they’re so involved and down-to-earth. So the idea that people MIGHT have to work around them, or have a reason to, is just... depressing.
I think they want what’s best but they’re not going about it right at all

[carmine thorn]

I would agree with that if the message ktjn left in #beta-announcements didn't blatantly state it was inspired by the tree afk party.

[bright portal]

Which part of my message is censored istg aaaaaAa

If sky wants to be known as a social game, mini games is the a good way to go to divert players thinking that sky feels like a fashion game. The final version of new seasonal area is already a good start.
Like Club penguin has still a decent community up to this day because the minigames are fun

[timid bough]

sky is a dating game

[ruby crescent]

Doki Doki Sky Club

[rain delta]

Lolololol @timid bough you know I like to spam the butterfly emote and the wise grandpa sit emote next to all them spirits 😎😎

[swift edge]

Let's be honest. It's hard to be a company, have a huge game and make it friendly for every user. I see TGC making many ppl upset when they try to make everyone happy in a way.

Is anyone here happy with this update tho?

[quick crag]

PLS- IF ONE MORE MOTH FLIRTS WITH ME AND I HAVE TO CALL THEM A NONCE I SWEAR- JDJSJDJSJJS

[radiant drum]

Regarding the censor, there's a pin in #general-sky-discussion that explains why a word you said it's censored. Sorry about that though

[hardy mango]

You can never please everyone, but you can also not upset MOST of them. I haven’t seen one really positive comment on the system here, in YouTube vids, or on tumblr 😭

[radiant drum]

It's good to keep in mind that there's a reason feedback is private and people can feel very differently from our own perspective. Especially when a change is controversial, people that dislike it can be more vocal (because they want things to change!) and it can be scary for people that think differently or are happy with a change to speak up in chat

[ruby crescent]

meanwhile in gen chat, Peeps are talking about a krilled cheese sandwich

[warped geyser]

honestly being ubered is the only way that busy players can still get decent cosmetics :( i don't like this idea at all

[final vapor]

actually if they dont want players to afk under the tree just set the 10 minutes to the tree, not the whole realm

[foggy atlas]

The duality

[bright portal]

After letting my brain load , i just realised what it was and now im laughing

[quick crag]

Yeah with all this feedback tgc won't add it to live which is good

[abstract fable]

anyone else feels something is different when flying with the ultimate cape? I think for me flying feels both softer and faster, like I'm a very precise torpedo

[signal folio]

Woah wait do we get the pillow, urn, and jar for free?

[foggy atlas]

I’ve seen a few positive but agreed... I’ve mainly seen neutral and wayy more negative comments about the AFK system

[quick crag]

I mean theyre pretty interactive with the fandom (apart from tumblr but like- valid) so they've likely decided a compromise or to just scrap it by now

[grave kayak]

I hope so

[brittle raft]

Okay so I'm gonna try give a conclusion to why the AFK timer is wrong.

I believe the role Ubers take is an unspoken gesture of love. It's hard to find words for it. But an uber knows the risk of you going afk at some points and they take it anyways because they want you to be able to get candles for an item you might want. They tend to do all the work and allow you to follow, and expect nothing in return.

Sky is all about that. And the AFK timer kind of defeats this.

[cosmic brook]

Let's be honest, they didn't need to implement an anti-afk system for cr: splits, bugs and crashes already work well enough for that...
(Message written after a painful cr where one of my friends kept getting split at almost every single portal we went in )

[kindred bay]

If I'm to be honest, I feel like the afk system can go against players who tend to use other ways to talk with friends out of sky's chat (such as being in a Discord call) while they do something else for a bit or just out of more comfort/ease from doing such rather in CR or just hanging out with their friends

[swift edge]

The reason I am curious if anyone is happy with this update is cuz I want to know more points of view. Right know I am blocked in my negative view of the afk system and I want to see if there is any advantages to players and so far I see none cuz in my reality I can see no advantages in this new system. Yet I am open minded and would really want to try to understand why another player would think this system is good.

[quaint canyon]

reading all your opinions I lost track of time and then it's suddenly almost 7am and i forgot to sleep

[hardy mango]

I did hear they have a tumblr but haven’t been on it for a couple years at least... probs for the better, or else they’ll come back to people making Wombos with crabs and skykids and just go “nope they’re nuts” 😂

[warped geyser]

TGC should take a break from the new updates and fix old bugs like server splits and such

[foggy atlas]

I don’t think they’ve come to a definite answer as to what they will do yet
But I am very much hoping they scrap the whole AFK system idea... definitely in the top 5 not so good ideas TGC has had in my opinion

[quick crag]

YES YES A MILLION TIME YES ubering is literally how I show my friends affection because I dont want to make them uncomfortable with words of affirmation or anything and asking "hey do you want me to afk drag you on sky" is so much easier

[tight fog]

Does anyone know the function of the secret kindness thingy

[warped geyser]

I really want the tree to stay but they can remove the light that drops when the event is over

[bright portal]

I get what they are trying to do with the afk system, its the penalty of getting no wax after afking doesnt sit right for me if the intention is to reduce overheating devices.

Because if the person is truly afk while running cr, the game is still running so it doesnt really help reducing heating devices.

[slim kayak]

from what we've seen in the year it's been in beta (really, that long already?) those who are friendly enough can see a little heart symbol above a new player's head. friendly players are more likely to help new players, so this system makes it easier to find those new players to help!

[dense holly]

THIS! YES! AFK players in the end are the problem of people who Uber and NOT TGC. If we as ubers have a problem, we should take that up with our passengers, and usually our passengers are our friends.

[haughty pine]

I haven't got many strong feelings about it if we're gonna be honest, because I'm more exhausted by listening to people obsess over candles than I am from any implement by TGC. My general experience w/ being ubered is that you can fairly easily check on it every now and then and just wiggle your camera around, and even when I'm AFK, I often just leave my phone near me so I can work on homework and respond if I'm really needed. I'm not too happy about the concept of people sitting around the tree while they sleep, but whatever. Would it be possible to have AFK just be active in homespace?

[cosmic orchid]

so uhh game goes to shutdown if you afk for too long? I can see the bugs happening

[quick crag]

THERE! Perfect comprise only have the system in home space

[sly cairn]

Re reading the beta updates actually makes me angrier about the afk system than I originally was

[bright portal]

Well if u leave in on plug and u run a heavy load game, dont be surprised if ur phone catches on fire

[hardy mango]

Does anyone have a guess when the shepherd system might be coming to live? Or at least how long it’s been in beta. I’m a Wasteland Uber/lifeguard of sorts and it’d be super helpful but I’ve heard it’s been in beta for quite some time now

[gilded parrot]

@hardy mango, to join future beta invite waves, learn all about the beta version and the sign-up process in #beta-faq.

[vapid briar]

sticking with the movie analogy, i'd think of it more along the the lines of netflix asking if you're still there after x amount of episodes.

[reef gate]

[warped geyser]

If everything goes perfect and none of the cutscenes / server splits happen to you on a typical candle run, you still need to home every 30-40 minutes and i think that's good enough in terms of interaction? (and obviously it won't go perfect)

[ruby crescent]

honestly id rather not have it in the first place

[empty inlet]

or simply going to another area

[cosmic orchid]

Sky: are you still watching? me: , my skykid by a wimd barrier: ↗️ ➡️ ↘️ ⬇️ ↙️ ⬅️ ↖️ ⬆️

[sly cairn]

That’s still bad and annoying though.......????? Imagine doing something active and still being hassled about whether you are “actually there or not”

[rain delta]

IKR on a typical candle run, something or another breaks my hand hold grip within the first 5-10 minutes... the forest cut scene was a big one XD

[quick crag]

Typically since with more seasonal areas candle run routes get a little hectic most ppl home rather than going through to the end of the realm anyway

[carmine thorn]

That happens after a "few episodes" though which can range from an hour to 2 hours, not every 10 minutes. Edit: I would love for an indicator each realm or that same time frame, like "you've been inactive for x minutes, would you like to close Sky?" No response after 30 seconds and close the game. It has to be a long time like your Netflix analogy though.

[vapid briar]

I do need to ask, would it help to ping the entire beta updates role to remind people that the timer is 2 minute purely for testing purposes? too many people are focusing on a time frame that isn't representative of the final design.

[rain delta]

Ktjin, I feel a lot of people complaining have been disliking the concept as a whole as well

[swift edge]

Yep. I see most ppl panicking over the current timer but the whole idea still feels bad to me

[brittle raft]

I like to call anything that needs you to be there to continue the cr as "afk checkpoints" stuff like the forest temple, the times to go home, the wind on the pipe from Graveyard to Shipwreck are some examples. And I feel like they do well enough to keep players engaged on the game a fair amount.

[hardy mango]

Plus Netflix leaves me alone for a reasonable amount of time... not to mention has a notification that you’re considered afk instead of just silently inconveniencing you. This system is like if Netflix saw you weren’t watching and played through six seasons of your show and now you gotta go back and replay them all.

I know testing is two minutes, but anything less than like 30-40 minutes is not long enough. I’d rather have it not exist at all but like... make it an hour maybe

[dense holly]

TBH, I don't like the idea at all... And I don't think I'm the only one. I don't really understand the purpose of it outside of punishment for the blossom tree. That was also the only reason given for its creation.

[quick crag]

Personally I dont like it but if tgc finds it absolutely necessary I would much rather have it be about the span of 1 realm

[ruby crescent]

im not to worried about the time frame, im more worried about going afk when in a group, im not a fan of the whole system personally

[vapid briar]

It's not a punishment for the Bloom tree.

[rose surge]

this would help a lot
but i still don't like the new system whatsoever

[proud hawk]

I just saw the afk stuff thing, not a fan at all
but if it gets in, at least it'd be cool to add some big icon on the screen like 'hey you are afk!' to remind people that are just chilling

[bright portal]

A lot of people think like this because of how the post was written , with first few sentences in the post stating about afking under the tree

[empty inlet]

It'd be super helpful if there's more explain on the intention of the afk switch, like what kind of behavior is this design trying to prevent, and what should not be affected

[cosmic orchid]

I don't mind the system, daily light made it possible for me to shorten my runs and do it in lil timeframes rather than 1 sitting

[rain delta]

Instant regret for flooding the beta chat about my afk adventures under the tree 💀💀

[swift edge]

But only people under the tree were mentioned as a reason for all this? If such a huge change is going to happen I would like to clearly know the reasons

[sly cairn]

I just don’t understand why y’all acting like afk people hurt you personally?? Socializing isn’t about beeping and screaming into someone’s ear 24-7. Even IRL part of socializing isn’t always talk. There’s still the silence in between and not everyone socializes the same way hhh

[brittle raft]

There's still no reason for it. I have never seen anyone have a problem with the afk stuff.

[quick crag]

Then perhaps if they gave us an actual reason we'd know their side and maybe we wouldn't all be so opposed

[ruby crescent]

some people would much rather be afk during candle runs rather than interacting every x amount of minutes

[rose surge]

and constantly moving/honking can cause you to accidentally let go of your friend's hand if they're leading(don't ask how i know), and it gets really annoying

[vapid briar]

It might help to think of it like this: when you accidentally cut your hand but don't realize it until you wash your hands and it stings. The bloom tree is the water revealing an underlying issue.

[eager fulcrum]

if it’s not punishment for the bloom tree then it just feels very out of nowhere. as far as i’m aware no one asked for this or even had an issue with afk players

[hardy mango]

Yeah... as an introvert sometimes my “friend time” is just spent in companionable silence. It’s peaceful, and you’re there together and that’s what matters to me

[limpid crown]

Am confused

[bright portal]

Sorry ktjn , may ask what is this analogy referring to ?

[twilit current]

this just came to my mind, What happened to the update about TS requiring a Pass to buy all things form the TS? Is it even a thing? seems like people forgot about that?

[rain delta]

I already solo because I can’t find a time that works for me and works for everyone else... if it comes to s point I’m required to notify I’m available, I’d definitely go on only solo runs

[dense holly]

I think people just want to know why something like this is being implemented. There was only one reason given... And in light of that reason, it seems silly to implement such a huge change for something that should be a simple fix (limiting the amount of wax dropped from the blossom tree).

[cosmic orchid]

rereading the update post, the reason I get is for them to encourage more social interaction at least, and anyway we shouldn't really bother with the timer I think it wouldn't affect our afk cr overall

[brittle raft]

Please be more clear
We don't want analogies we want the literal reason

[quick crag]

Yeah plus spam honking or even just timed honking gets really irritating but maybe thats just me and my anger issues lmao

[sly cairn]

Literally afk system basically forces me to go solo and actively DISCOURAGES being in groups

[spark lance]

It might help to think of it like this: when you accidentally cut your hand but don't realize it until you wash your hands and it stings. > sounds like it has to do about teaching people to fish theory

[rose surge]

does this mean that tgc won't add the system and it's a mistake?

[cosmic brook]

I personally think this system will be either harmful or, at best, useless:
If the time frame is too low, it will cause issues to people who go afk temporarily for good reasons; if it isn't too low... We already have all sorts of things that force us to interact every once in a while (opening doors, going home, regrouping after getting split/hit by crabs/krills etc.), so it's useless...

[paper fable]

Hey guys I’m having a problem I’m new in beta and I relived all spirits in Praire but some of them I can’t reclaim them on my constellation, it say “Finish this spirit” and I already did it🙇‍♂️

[sleek pelican]

Temple?

[swift edge]

Go to prairie temple and sit in the big circle. That is the same to "free" the spirits

[naive schooner]

I don’t think the system forces you to be solo, it just encourages people to play the game to hangout not just simply to collect candles.

[orchid yacht]

I think ktjn is trying to say that the Bloom tree revealed a bigger underlying problem with their plans to add passive sources of Light

[quaint canyon]

Did you meditate in prairie Temple after finishing them?

[quick crag]

So its another instance of them shoving socialization down are throats? We can't always deal with that

[fervent loom]

add...cap...to...passive...light

[bright portal]

Okay even if the afk system timer is an hour, penalizing players to unable to get wax doesnt sit the same with the intention of reducing heating devices or encouraging social behaviour, maybe if the game has a sleep mode or the game offs after afking a long period of time i think wouldve been a better solution?

[rain delta]

Man why did we have to do afk parties under the tree in beta ;-;

[kindred belfry]

I feel like a candle cap for the tree would fix this issue (candle cap meaning max amount of candles earned doing something)

[paper fable]

Oh oki maybe it’s that😂 In my moth days we didn’t need to do this again🫂

[hardy mango]

Yeah but if that’s the case adding a cap to the passive sources would also fix that problem I think. Nobody’s forcing me to Uber my semi-afk friends on a cr; I’m doing that because I care about them and want them to afford ts even tho they have homework

[pine remnant]

there already is a cap on how many candles one can get

[limpid crown]

What's a "Candle Cap"?

[dense holly]

I understand that, but... Collecting candles IS how we hangout now... Because we need candles to actually buy the stuff we want. If we don't collect candles, what then? (Not directed at you personally btw. A general question 🤗)

[whole plank]

I think it is impossible to focus on the final design until we know more about Daily Light. I understand that this is information that cannot be revealed yet.
We can't see the whole picture, only the information about time. I don't think we can make decisions based on the information we are given now.

[rose surge]

limiting maximum amount of candles

[ruby crescent]

its almost if the game cosmetics are expensive

[cosmic orchid]

what if they change the afk system, rather wax you just let go

[quick crag]

I think they mean more how much wax the tree gives us rather than all the wax in the realms

[orchid yacht]

if I am correct, I think the best solution would be to only apply the afk timer to passive sources of light
but that might pose technical difficulties

[sand dawn]

I don’t always check for new pins(you have to actively check if there are new pins) but always read beta updates (the channel will light up with a new post so I never miss it)

[bright portal]

Friend casually drops on top of a krill

[spark lance]

But I actually dont play the game to socialize, I do it for cr which for me is relaxing and gives me a sense of control. And i also like to play music. Not everyone wants totalk to people, i know some of my friends are shy and just like to be solo. Theres enough socialization for me being home and seeing people, opening doors as someone said etc. Everyones different, some want more time with friends other dont want that simply to things like social anxiety or having peace alone.

[eager fulcrum]

chat has made me realize sky kind of already has an afk system of its own: things like cutscenes that unhand everyone, splits, and crashes. do we really need this new system???

[swift edge]

Well. I hangout with my friends mostly during CRs and when we buy what we wanted and waited so long to get we celebrate doing stupid stuff together in the game. But most of them still need to be afk for a long time during cr some times :/

[hollow cape]

Appling the afk system on home only

[limpid crown]

Wait... Didn't we have a Candle Cap already? Like 20 candles if I remember.

Wait, no? Am more confused now

[kindred bay]

Socializing players can be good, but pushing it too much can harm a lot of players who have issues or just don't socialize the way TGC will expect the majority to do (such as social off of sky while the app is open or just shy/solo leaning players to be less social in case of wax)

[cosmic orchid]

me: sleeps, my skykid: faceplant to a krill

[ruby crescent]

we sometimes like to be friends with the world itself

[sand dawn]

It’s not a hard cap (although the slowdown is really really bad past 20 candles)

[naive schooner]

Yes, I personally run every day with my friends and they are always present even though I’m the one driving, and lately I’ve noticed how people just come to us because they know we are running so they just “use us for candles”. I’ve never thought about the game about collecting specifically, I like to just hangout and play.

[bright portal]

The krill : am i in krill heaven? Food is dropping from the sky

[quick crag]

For real like we already have those unnecessary unskipable vault cutscenes 🧍

[misty shuttle]

Yo rq question, am I the only one that hasn't being able to download beta yet? (Android) also I got the notification that am in so

[haughty pine]

I don't know. I guess I'm of the vaguely unpopular opinion that it's not the worst thing in the world, and I actually kind of already assumed that you would be unable to collect wax if you closed the app, so all this is news to me. If you handed me a game and told me I could still play it while having the app closed, I would assume that's a bug. From a developer's point of view, having someone be able to play your game while AFK—even be rewarded for it—is a really surreal, even actively bad, choice? You want people to play your game. You can play the game without talking to each other, even if you're relying on a friend to help you and you're just kinda hanging out and occasionally checking in, but there's a difference between hanging out with a friend and being able to continue to play while not playing.

The issue is that AFK-ubering and candle-hoarding has become a part of Sky culture. This is something that we've incorporated into how we think of Sky, and the problem is that it's already here, so now we're upset about it. So right now, the Sky devs have a choice: either they can implement changes that are just basic common-sense gameplay for an MMORPG and improve the functionality of the game, or they can respect Sky's culture and do what their users request. It's a bit of a rock and a hard place.

[rose surge]

and keep in mind that if you don't like the people coming to you you can just let go of them ant continue your cr or even block them

[kindred belfry]

Manta kidnappings, wind walls, server splits...

[rain delta]

The way I hang out and get social is by talking... try talking to your Uber... they stop every 2 minutes to respond to you
And trust me when I say crs take forever when that happens
I get bored when I have to sit there in a group and not talk... and since most of my ubered runs have 2+ people, I’m not particularly needed to melt trees or plants... so I just go and do my own thing
If I’m required to actually respond and prove that I still exist, then it’s easier for me to the runs myself.. especially with the new light system.
I know the routes like the back of my hand and i don’t have to remember to shake the screen
I also don’t need to wait to find an Uber who can take me and wait for the team to gather

[dense holly]

A thousand times yes to this!

[gentle hornet]

Aren’t most of the cutscenes skipable now?

[vapid briar]

The fortune dragon had a cap to the amount light it dropped and how much could be collected and appeared before the daily light system. The tree was introduced with the daily light system in mind, allowing for candle farming to be more open ended and more of a choose-your-own-adventure style. The tree won't be the last time we have passive light collection, and activities like that won't always be in home, which is why the afk timer is being applied throughout the realms.

[hardy mango]

Sky is a comfort world for me and a sort of peaceful escape from my irl mess of a life. Sometimes I just... wanna rest and breathe in sky without being forced to socialize

[wispy mulch]

I think I'd be more focused on getting to a hospital then collecting light in a video game

[brittle raft]

You can't play the game while you have the app closed. This applies to people who aren't active in the game while it's open

[carmine thorn]

RIP tree party. I will only have one memory of randomly talking with Pakka and Kai under the tree for 9 hours when we were testing the system. FYI, at least in the server we were in, we didn't fully afk. We actually checked our devices and took notes on how long it took for each chevron level, etc and shared notes, talked, played music, etc.

[eager fulcrum]

if you could get candles while the app was closed that would be a whole nother story

[fervent loom]

what if there was like a passive light candle. so it doesn’t mess with our normal candle running = no afk system?

[rain delta]

The amount of wax the tree drops in live is honestly not even a valid concern.. even if I sit there for 30 minutes at most I gather 1/6 of the candle... it’s really not much in the grand scheme of things, so I don’t see the cause for worry still
Sighhhh..

[dense holly]

I appreciate this explanation!

[brittle raft]

You can add a way to avoid abuse of those specific passive systems without harming a method the whole playerbase has built over time.

[proud hawk]

The dragon never gave me any lights to me even if i was trying lol

[swift edge]

I know 3 people with bad social anxiety playing sky. Before meeting me most of them were playing solo cuz they were uncomfy talking. When ubering i used to ask if people wanted a cr with talking or not. Those ppl said they didn't want me talking much and I accepted and respected that. Later they opened up a bit every cr we did. To some ppl takes a lot of time to be able to talk normally. Some of them would be completely unable to be on these discussions... sometimes I come here to share their opinions about beta matters cuz they feel really shy about sharing opinions. Social interactions seems easy to some but for others is a daily battle :/

[bright portal]

What we are saying is there are just many other alternatives instead of what we have now what would made a better solution

[haughty pine]

...Huh. So why are people saying that this is a big deal? Are you not already having the app open? Then if you've already got it open, what is keeping you from just occasionally adjusting the camera angle?

[sly cairn]

Sky teaching us to be extra loud extroverts that talk non stop and punishes us when we don’t lol

[quick crag]

Yup! I mean giving a community time and freedom to develop their own sort of culture for how the game is played and then punishing them because its not exactly how you want them to play is kinda dumb

[rain delta]

Considering how we’ve been talking about this topic nonstop since it was announced, it goes to show just how many strong feelings people have about it... the topic is still going on even after the invite wave chaos!

[wispy mulch]

This is the boat "exploit" all over again isnt it

[ruby crescent]

i don't think passive light farming is people's real issue with this, we're more concerned about people who like to travel in groups for candle runs, not everyone wants to be forced to socialize or move the camera around if they just want to take in the scenery or be afk for any particular reason

[finite inlet]

yeah it's not like we have to talk to people all the time :(

[gentle hornet]

The blossom tree is very beautiful yes yes

[brittle raft]

I'm not allowed to use the phone while i'm eating dinner, in example, which tends to ALWAYS collide with my friend's candle run. And there's so many other possibilities as to why a player might be ubered but can't be active all the time.

[hardy mango]

Doing homework. Washing dishes. Eating dinner. Parents bothering you. Stopping to take care of a sibling. Motion sickness from whirling the camera around too often. I have seen so many people say their reasons. Plus having to remind yourself to poke the screen every few minutes is kinda stressful tbh 😭

[paper fable]

Im my opinion I cr everyday with my friends around the world and we are like 4 every one of us do a realm and other do the others realms and most of the times we afk cuz we are doing things but we still playing and doing or task I don’t see the necessity of doing an AFK system I think this could be worse in candle grining I just think when you go AFK for a long long time like an 1 and a half the game automatically send you to the start of the realm safe or in home so in that case we Don’t see any wax collection so no AGK parties in this passive light events

[sly cairn]

tgc: here’s boats to get hearts
Players: nice we’re getting hearts
Tgc: HOW DARE YOU EXPLOIT THE SYSTEM-

Edit: wait you’re right it’s the boat”exploit” all over again

[bright portal]

Add minigames in realms please Sky feels like a fashionista game because of the highly promoted cosmetics and their high prices. I can understand if prices are high for permenant things, but time limited things as well makes the majority of the community feels like they must cr or pay for candle packs

[fervent loom]

sort of like ascended or seasonal candles, it’s just another candle that we can earn. maybe at the end of the week we can transfer it to normal candles (?). Then, ‘passive candles’ can have a hard cap, lessens abuse, and it doesn’t intervene with our normal candle running

[signal folio]

Wait people thought we were employing boats??

[quick crag]

Yup! I've got friends who study non stop and while they might have their phone next to them while afking theyre trying to focus on other things in that moment

[wispy mulch]

Well there arent many people who would pick afk system at all so

[empty inlet]

What if I afk under the tree but also waiting for friends to come, and I'd be ready to interact with them? The waiting time can be long. If afk means no reward I think I won't be waiting online. Giving reward for afk actually can create more opportunities to socialize

[spark lance]

passive candle collecting = do other things on sky but getting wax as well instead of doing cr

[ancient ermine]

is anyone else having issues with the first quest or are the shelf pieces only spawning in the ground for me?

[rose surge]

that's a bug that i'm pretty sure everyone has rn

[dense holly]

TBH, sometimes just knowing someone is there is nice. Hopping on sky and joining your friends while they're farming, even if you don't actively talk to them, or are focused on the game. Just having someone there is nice sometimes...

[slim kayak]

For my group of friends, I have people who might be busy, people who aren't feeling well enough to go through areas without getting dizzy, and still want to hang out through sky as a medium. We have discord servers, dms, and vc set up when we can't communicate through sky itself while we are playing. Trying to keep track of the afk timer would be tedious and disrupt the way me and my friends play. That's my perspective

[tacit crescent]

players deserve to have their own choice between socializing and not. there are a lot of players out there who want to be ubered but cant be at their phone. i feel (tgc) should focus more on the hackers rather than candle light that will be gone by the beginning of april.

[rain delta]

This would be a sure fire exploit... people would afk just for the reward and then dip

[abstract fable]

the game already detects we're afk since we automatically sit after some time. Then why not have the afk fix only work when we afk sit + aren't chatting happens? This way it won't affect people that aren't touching the screen just because they're being lead by someone.

[quick crag]

Right? Has their even been progress on hackers since they said they would FOCUS ON HACKERS because it sounds like they haven't focused on em at all 🧍

[ancient ermine]

oh got it, is there any way to complete the quest though?

[steady pond]

not gonna lie the number of times i left myself AFK on sky while i do my work has been comforting
working from home and being so alone can be draining, so AFKing with friends in sky alleviates some of that feeling

[spark lance]

I do think that the afk system has something to do with the lack of ubers recently in sky....

[wispy mulch]

Dont forget the several complaints on the candle system, those are still ignored

[bright portal]

How i play the sky is like this

1. I cr two realms or even more if i have time
2. If i have nothing to do i go grab my remaining WL or do trials
   3.if i still want something to do i go to daylight or oobs to stare at random folks, maybe talk to them a little but i never really like chatting.

Then afterwards theres really nothing much to do because player interaction is limited :pSkyPeek:

[rose surge]

chibi mask XD and probably a table to land on

[kindred bay]

As someone with really bad social anxiety a majority of the time, being forced to be social a lot more has kinda made it harder for me to enjoy sky with other players that aren't really close to me, even more when it's in cr or vibing and being forced to either talk with them or just be more social can drain me way too much and I'm guessing a lot of people who have social issues will agree with me.
The whole AFK system at the moment can make the way I socialize really rough (Being that it tends to be zooming out and trusting the people around me more than usual) and worse than usually in CR/random runs with friends around the place

[cosmic orchid]

we can't see that actually, or say, if we can't notice that much hackers then tgc is doing their job

[swift edge]

The dragon... I received wax from it one time only due to bugs. The tree doesn't even drop that much light to begin with. Passive wax usually doesn't come in huge amounts anyway... is it really worth it to introduce an afk system cuz of it? If so... I would like to know how TGC will fight automatic clickers cuz I saw them being mentioned a few times already here and I see this as an issue in a distant future

[hardy mango]

That’d work! That way flying, chatting, or running wouldn’t be flagged as afk. As long as you’re not auto-sitting? Still kinda annoying but not as annoying as the current concept

[rain delta]

I guess we’re finally in the bargaining stage now...

[proud hawk]

At the end the afk system isn't going to be about socializing but about just tapping the screen once and that's it, people would still be 'afk' but they just have to be paying attention to a timer now

[foggy atlas]

Facts, and I know it’s probably not their intention but a good portion of their recent actions have felt like tactics to make us play a certain way
It just doesn’t feel as free and altruistic as it used to

[limpid crown]

About the new AFK system, I'm not mad but I found it 'unnecessary' because in candle running, I almost see everyone afk but if they got unhold, they're aware of it and gonna move all along again.

[dense holly]

I hope everyone is also submitting everything they're saying in feedback as well!! just a friendly reminder

[steady pond]

beta literally just got an update thats about balancing the candle system lol trust me this is not being ignored.
it was just buried by the AFK update

edit: guys, just as in recent. LOL not literally moments ago

[sly cairn]

Tgc should 100% add a timer because it’s not about socializing it’s about not being afk

[rose surge]

i remember the dragon giving about 1 candle every time it comes, while the tree gives 2-3 in 15 hours

[quick crag]

Yeah! No one wants to have their playing style controlled some of the most popular games in the world got popular because the creators weren't forcing them to do certain things all the time

[bright portal]

The daily light system in beta atm feels balanced , so dont worry abt that

[wispy mulch]

Right?? I mean they talk about how they wanna turn sky into their vision, but what is their vision? Us being exploiters of features in the game? They literally called the note hunters exploiters, aswell

[rain hawk]

They say they are doing much more firewall business against hackers than we are allowed to know

[ancient ermine]

how exactly does that work? this is my first time in beta

[carmine thorn]

You don't need to break TOS (auto clickers break TOS) to circumvent it. A simple drinking bird and a stylus tip would be enough to tap your skykid to honk every few seconds.

[signal folio]

I think an hour afk timer would be reasonable though. I'm confident in peoples ability to deep call at least once an hour

[vivid shore]

Just because we don't see what's happening behind the scenes, doesn't mean nothing is happening behind the scenes.
They just don't talk about it a lot, because it's a taboo topic, but TGC is doing their best to protect us and our gaming experience from hackers.

[tacit crescent]

chibi falling under the tree to get the cupboard piece i believe

[radiant drum]

Please don't talk about hackers here Can you edit your message? Thank you

[quick crag]

Sorry what?? How did they get upset over note hunting I just wanna know what skykids write about and find cute poetry 🧍

[bright portal]

I still dont understand why they need to nerf the total likes to obtain hearts from normal message shrines to 50. real unnecessary move imo

[steady pond]

the thing about hacking is that if TGC talks about it, they'll get ideas on how to go around whatever TGC is doing - which is why its understandable if TGC doesnt talk about how theyre handling hackers

[wispy mulch]

Never heard of him plus, shouldn't the live version of the system be released before planning to add more to it?

[sly cairn]

Omg this really boiled down to

Tgc: I know you don’t want afk but I’ll do it anyway :3

Edit: y’all reacting no but if you read in between the lines of what both tgc staff has said in the chat, you know I’m right

[vivid shore]

live version of the system of what? I sowwy, I am unable to follow

[swift edge]

Daily reminder to submit feedback in #beta-feedback

[cosmic orchid]

yeah, for me if the timer is around that amount then it's totally fine. the devs already said the timer in beta is short for testing purposes.
its just that some folks here are arguing about the overall idea of the afk system being beneficial or not

it doesn't really affect me since daily light made my cr much much easier

[dense holly]

Lowkey feels like what's gonna happen 😭😭😭

[foggy atlas]

They have sent a few messages explaining their disappointment with note hunting groups and such
(Part of the increase in note likes too)
Which is super ironic since many have met their sky best friends through these same groups and created meaningful relationships
and the increase in likes just encourages these types of groups more lol

[steady pond]

yall this is being tested its not finalized lol, i know most of us hates it but please don't misconstrue what's being said by the devs

[wispy mulch]

Shouldn't the current candle system be fixed in live before other systems are implemented? Many players dont have beta and are still struggling in CR in live, i get that it needs testing but only adding more to the list will just delay it getting fixed

[quick crag]

Wow they really hate us being independent from iap candles huh 🧍
What ever happened to free to play 👁👄👁

[ancient ermine]

anyways-
does anyone have a video of how to do the first quest because my brain isnt working right now

[void shoal]

Does anyone know if the first treasure hunt is glitched me and my friend can't find the last one lol

[tacit crescent]

it's underneath some tree near the treehouse , you have to either chibi fall or piggyback fall onto the tree to burn the plants. it is glitched, yes

[wispy mulch]

Oh its free to play and u get all the freedom u want! ...what? Wdym u wanna heart your friends notes?

[swift edge]

I wish TGC would understand that of there is a way of taking advantage on the system people will take advantages especially with candles and hearts involved. It's a natural behavior. People always want to receive more benefits so they do what the can to get what they want
Ofc things like hackers are BIG NO but being under that tree is one of the examples of what I am talking and that boat issue too

[mystic elm]

you can also handstand then offer a friendship candle to burn it!

[dense holly]

We understand that, but a lot of people don't want it at all 😟

[rain hawk]

This would be true if there were other places to AFK-collect light, but the tree is the only place in the entire game where this is so, so......

[carmine thorn]

I have a belief when playing games: never buy currency. Obviously the included currency for items can't be avoided. I will buy any item they throw at me or AP for my friends, but will never, ever buy a single candle pack. I don't think your assumption is correct, or at least hope TGC isn't like that. I already give them plenty of money without them needing me to buy candles. Imagine pay for three people to play the game and get AP and some IAP items they want.

[brittle raft]

It literally punishes players who have few friends while not affecting heart farmers who always get thousands of likes but that's a can of worms i'm not ready to open right now because it makes me so upset.

[bright portal]

Dont we have a limit to how many hearts we can get from notes? If so why dont tgc just do that instead of increasing the like ratio. Just cap limit to 3 hearts maximum obtainable from both shrines and non shrines all together wouldve been much more reasonable.

[hollow cape]

If candle prices weren't excessive I think everything will be different

[vapid briar]

That's not entirely accurate. I posted one message in a completely different context that was screenshotted weeks after the fact and shared on reddit.

[quick crag]

I mean that they got mad at us for using a heart system they gave us and made it harder to do that, the only reason I see making that system hard to use was so people will buy candles for heart trades but thats how I interpret that

[ancient ermine]

so to do it would you just need the chibi mask and the faint emote?

[haughty pine]

I mean, I study with Sky all the time, but I have my phone near me and occasionally check my screen. If I just have to tap the screen once every 10 minutes, that doesn't seem too bad.

I can definitely understand the complaint about getting sick from playing Sky or other disability-related complaints.That one makes a lot of sense to me, and is a valid concern. I do wish they would make sure to keep flexibility as far as how people might want to have multiple ways to play, however, to be fair, I also was considering quitting Sky for awhile because I felt like I was being forced into playing a way I didn't want to play — that is, candle-running.

Regarding family, I mean... Yeah, I guess, but I also remember that there was a good year in my life where I brushed off all my friends and family for virtual communities, and my mental health is still recovering from that years later. Part of Sky's goal with the DL system was to encourage players to not have an unhealthy relationship with their video game. I don't think "I AFK my candle-runs because I don't want to close Sky just because I'm being forced to interact with my IRL friends and family" is going to persuade TGC. I think it's just going to make them more worried.

[wispy mulch]

Yeah, i mean think of this, new days of bloom, new season, and a ts ofc. People are always gonna chase the new shiny and are gonna need candles for it

[balmy rock]

sorry if im a little dumb but what do you mean “note hunters”? Never heard that term

[vivid shore]

The new daily lighting system was introduced a long time ago in beta and continues to be tested in beta rn, and for sure will be polished some more with each new update patch and/ or hotfix (in live).

Additionally, there is even no guarantee that the AFK system will be released to live very soon, or if it will be released at all.

I strongly suggest to not worry too much about a future that hasn't happened yet. It exists only in beta for now for us to test and provide feedback, so let's concentrate on that.

Regarding haccers and haccing, TGC already released an official statement about how they are handling it, so let's trust that their doing what they can while working in the background.

[quick crag]

People who actively look for notes or specifically friends notes to help them get hearts faster

[gilded talon]

It pretty much feels like it’s gonna be implemented in some way to me. What upsets me the most is the fact that they even came up with such an idea to mold people’s behaviors or shape how they play the game. I mean people have different interpretations and visions of socializing, just let them be and stop telling people what to do and forcing what they envisioned as socializing on their players.

[bright scarab]

I want to thank you. I honestly didn't know anyone had acknowledged my disability concerns about the new afk system outside of my friends in Cozy Tysmm!!!

[rain hawk]

I really hope the slow mode doesn't get raised too much....
Would it be so bad if we got multiple beta discussion chats for the time being if they feel the need to raise it past 4-5 mins?
There's still other beta conversations that need to happen besides the AFK drama

[wispy mulch]

But thats not what i worried about, i worried about them working too hard on new updates, theyre gonna forget working on the problems in the game that already exist, candle system, bugs, server splits. And the afk system is only gonna make people more confused, the live version of the system is the one im worried ab, not beta. It hurts a certain percentage of players and leads to less candles for them, ik people who say they barely cr nowadays with it

[bright portal]

Increasing the like ratio for notes by 5 times feels like a weak solution, a cap for obtaining hearts through shrines wouldve been better

[ancient ermine]

guys please i need help i dont know what im doing

[foggy atlas]

Hm I remember seeing a whole discussion about it in this channel when it happened so I will look back on messages from that time
If I did confuse the context, then that is my bad (I don’t know anything about a Reddit post and I don’t have Reddit either way soo)
I do clearly remember a message of yours in this channel expressing your disappointment in these types of groups, but again, I will double check just in case

Edit: one of the messages I was referring to
https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/583370574449999880/803728842816356373

[swift edge]

What u need help with? U can dm me if the chat is too chaotic

[tacit crescent]

-to chibi fall, you need sneak emote from golden wasteland and the chibi mask or a chibi spell/baby spell. (thats one method.)
-to piggyback faint glitch, you faint into a wall while having a friend on your shoulders. then your friend uptop will hop off your shoulders, and fall into the area you want.

[kindred bay]

Pretty sure it's to stop people from doing it for the attention and possibly encouraging somehow from what I know?

[quick crag]

We already had that its only one heart per message but raising it seems pointless to me, its only going to cause people to not want to use the system since obtaining hearts with only 10 likes was hard enough for some of us

[cosmic orchid]

1 heart a day usually suffices (I mean I rarely get any anyway)

[dusk peak]

hi

[radiant drum]

In general, bringing attention to an issue, specific actions and/or people that breaks the TOS of the game in a server with 250k+ people can lead to even more people becoming interested in it or looking them up, that's the main reason we don't allow any talking about it here

[spark lance]

I think it is already cap at 1 - 2 heart per day if i'm not wrong...

[bright portal]

If the issue is note hunting exploitation just limit to only 3 hearts obtaining from messages then

Example if i put messages on 4 places today i still only get 3 hearts today while still maintaing the minimum requirement is 10 likes

The solution they came up with is just mind boggling

[ancient ermine]

if i may ask
what do you do after you equip both for the chibi mask method?
sorry im kinda slow its late

[wispy mulch]

Im just angry they called them exploiters for simply using a feature.. as u usually do in a game

[brittle raft]

We only can get one heart from regular messages/boats every 48 hours, and only one from gratitude meditations every 24. It has always been this way and it was fair enough as a regulation imo.

[steady pond]

i believe this is the one ur looking for?
https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/583370574449999880/803728842816356373

[quick crag]

Look up some vids on it, it might take a few tries

[carmine thorn]

It's the same reason you don't go to Microsoft's support forum to talk about windows exploits. You go through the correct channels and produce a white paper with all the details and send it to Microsoft's security team.

An example for this server would be, I found a method that could be exploited. I only told TGC through the proper channels and didn't post what I found publicly to avoid any of the 200k+ users to try and use that exploit.

[terse quail]

There’s plenty of tutorials on YouTube with a lot of tricks.

[toxic spruce]

You only get 1 heart no matter how many messages you placed with in that 48hrs

[vivid shore]

Our job is to test what they provide. Their job is to maintain our realms, protect us from haccers, provide wholesome content and gameplay, etc.

TGC is a team with subteams composed of many professional individuals with different specialties and they're released many other (and may I say award winning) games long before Sky was out. They know what they're doing.

Rest assured they will not bite off more than they can chew.

Ofc, this is only my opinion

[spark lance]

I think the weekly cap on hearts obtained is a good idea though...but that will also allow others to find note hunter groups as well... so I dunno what is good anymore.. isn't the point of the game to let players collab with each other?

[haughty pine]

I mean, I can really get that. I occasionally get some issues with Sky and my disabilities not mixing too great either. It's not as bad for me as it is for some people, but issues such as photosensitivity and dizziness and sensory-processing and nonverbal episodes and epilepsy and so on raise a good point that I think carries a lot of weight.

I'm not for or against the system, particularly. I can see advantages, but also disadvantages. I'm just a little confused by the severity of the reaction where people are saying that this makes Sky unplayable.

[bright portal]

If this is the case i have no idea why "note exploitations" is ever an issue to begin with if i can only get a heart every 2 days oh my tgc

[untold cliff]

the part about the AFK update is inconvenient :/ I wish TGC won’t add it

[spark lance]

Can someone help me do the SoA quest where you need to go to the Forest Brook please- im so desperate

[quaint canyon]

#beta-looking-for-group

[quick crag]

Thats tgc for you these days I suppose

[wispy mulch]

But they already have, look at the game, ts, days of bloom, season without a long enough break from dream.. sky is rushing. You never get enough time to think before you buy, there'll always be something new coming up even huge games like the sims give the player enough time to think if they want it, not rushing them

[foggy atlas]

Yes! Thank you! I was there live when that discussion took place so I knew I wasn’t going crazy ahahah

[gilded parrot]

@pure tapir, to join future beta invite waves, learn all about the beta version and the sign-up process in #beta-faq.

[tacit crescent]

its alright!
now, it takes a good deal of practice- and there are better explanations of this on youtube, for sure 1. be on an incline, and drag your sky kid's leg into that incline, so your dragged leg in in the slope. 2. use your other hand to kinda push your skykid into the desired area. sorry, im not great at explaining this over words. i can link you to a video or two if you'd like! <3

[cosmic orchid]

oop I couldn't read that yet omg

[swift edge]

I wanted to read it ;-;

[safe sage]

It had a good message :/:stickerGloomy:

[spark lance]

someone already managed to play the beta on Android there for me it was never released Google can only be kidding?

[gilded talon]

They might not know what they are doing tbh. Cuz I know I’m pretty upset by this afk thing, and i lost my trust in TGC or their values as a player just to read about the update post. If this should ever make to live, I might quit Sky. While I love sky and care for it to the heart, all this is going in a very very wrong direction. 😔

[grizzled kayak]

I haven’t been on beta in a few days. I’ve unlocked all the seasonal hearts but it’s still asking me for two more hearts before I get the ult cape. Is this already a known issue or should I report it as a bug?

[tawdry pine]

I'm on android and I'm able to play in beta

[rose surge]

i don't have the items in beta, but i can teach you in live later if you want

[vivid shore]

Not really. TGC has changed a lot since.

Before, the system was:
A TS would come every week instead of every other week when there're no season active.

Imagine that happening again now. But TGC was considerate enough to give us 2 weeks to prepare, and give us the bloom event after our Dreams seasonal candles were converted to white candle.

Days of Fortune was available for 3 weeks, enough for anyone to save up for TS aaand the event, and Days of Bloom is 2 weeks too.

We have plenty of time to save candles for the event and TS, and think about what you wanna buy if you wanna buy.

[bright scarab]

Well, for people like my friend who is photosensitive, they can't even look at the screen while getting an uber most of the time without getting dizzy. So we take them on runs while they mostly afk and only look at the screen when they need to. It's these sorts of situations that make the AFK system disability exclusionary.

I myself suffer from migraines that can last a week at a time. So having someone pull me around while I don't look at the screen can help me take a breather from my school work (I'm a homeschooled student in online school, so I look at screens rhe majority of the day regardless of how much I play sky)

[wispy mulch]

Exactly my thoughts! Now i less play sky for sky, and more for my friends.. or would that be exploiting them too by not lighting their candle daily

[solid ridge]

I have been waiting and checking ALL day, and so far nothing, I have seen others commenting that they aren't able to download and play too

[ruby crescent]

still full for me

[ancient ermine]

i managed to figure it out luckily but thank you! i just have to figure out how to burn the darkness without falling through the floor completely

[carmine thorn]

I completely understand that. My girlfriend has chronic migraines and some of the bright transitions have triggered them in the past.

[kindred bay]

It sadly takes a while for people to get access, but it's the sad truth of Google being Google sometimes

[gilded parrot]

@pure tapir, to join future beta invite waves, learn all about the beta version and the sign-up process in #beta-faq.

[rose surge]

you can do that!? (chibi fall is still great for oobs so i still recommend you to learn it)

[cedar holly]

I’ve also noticed that, while Traveling Spirits are apparently randomized, they do seem to let the less pricey ones visit right before/during events ^^ That’s definitely nice if it’s intentional, relieves a lot of stress

[vivid shore]

Just think about the other friends who wish to join you for example in homespace, but they cannot, because there are 4 idle players with you in ywour server, players who kept their phones open when they went to sleep, leaving their skykids under the blossom tree just to get those tiny pieces of light, but there friends of your who wants to join you dont have any way to contact you outside Sky

[sly cairn]

I have chronic body pain, messed up eye sight and light sensitivities so I feel you. Life is hard

[wispy mulch]

TGC has changed alot? Because every new minute its like there's some major new teaser and "oh no i gotta save, but i want this and that aaa" plenty of other players feel rushed too, including voulntary etc, sky used to be about friends and taking your time away from stress, now its just all "will i want this or that? Ohh but i gotta save for that" idk ab you guys, but i play to forget ab this stress irl

[swift edge]

Then I would just teleport to my friends instead and the issue would be solved @.@

[grizzled kayak]

bug?

[tacit crescent]

i've been playing beta on android since prophecy so i havent needed an invite wave for this season- but my friend who got accepted into beta this recent wave has had the same issue, with google saying the beta was full. unfortunately, it's just google being a slowpoke.

[spark lance]

this message appears at the moment The program Access Atencipado reached the limit of users More space will be released soon

[gilded talon]

Erm if they can’t join me they’ll find other things to do. Sure they don’t just have me as their one and only friend? If they have me as their one and only friend then there’s something wrong about Sky tbh

[pure tapir]

I think I can’t post my comment. I tried twice but I only get the bot mention about invitations and my comments are of the afk system

[rose surge]

it happens if you got items before the questgiver tree changes

[sleek pelican]

Please don't. It's not a bug. That happened because the ultimate gifts had been adjusted and u already bought before that. Not a bug. No compensation tho.

[vivid shore]

It's a game but also it'a a business. Players want content and devs need money.

How do you expect people to enjoy and more new people to enjoy the game if it's stagnant and bland

[rain hawk]

Yeah, and i feel the daily light system has helped a lot with that in my case, because now i have 10 candles guaranteed and dont have to bend over trying to grab more if i dont feel like it
We really only need 30 mins of grind these days to be able to afford things

[prisma raven]

how abt the afk system

[bright portal]

Then add things into the game, minigames , more interactive things we can do with random players , dont take away something that others enjoy

Dont get me wrong, i support some of their decisions and not support some.

[spark lance]

Google seeing nois suffer to receive the download: suffer a little more

[quick crag]

You can make it not bland without making us all flock like geese to candle run for this and that and this and that

[wispy mulch]

I expect them to ask the community of what they think. Ask the community about how they feel ab the current speed of events, to maybe ask if we even want a new season or want a few bugs fixed so we can enjoy the original content, because if the original is broke, adding sparkles to it wont help but distract u for a minute or two

[foggy atlas]

Now I’m just thinking of us as those birds from nemo

[kindred bay]

Making us flock like geese for such can be a real killer into loving this game to death like it should be

[safe sage]

DL and afk just feels like one step forward and two steps back 😔

[swift edge]

Why did tgc stop doing surveys?

[balmy rock]

We don’t want it to be “stagnant and bland”, we want longer breaks in between huge events. Three weeks is barely enough time. Dreams was as buggy as it was because it was rushed, because they tried to get it out as fast as possible so that we would have “more content”. We don’t need new content all the time; sometimes it’s nice to be able to breathe and enjoy what we already have in the game, rather than only being focused on seasonal and event content

[ancient ermine]

i got one this morning

[bright portal]

Theres a survey by the end of sesson of dreams no? Or was that me filling a beta survey

[rain hawk]

Exactly!
I've had multiple debates in this chat today where people told me I can't acknowledge the fact that while, yes, TGC are people, they are people on a staff doing a job for the primary purpose of making a living
Appeasing all of us, who they do not know and certainly can't properly humanize, (understandably) comes as second nature, and not first

We can appreciate what they do without ignoring that!!!

[haughty pine]

That's fair, and I think this is the big point that needs to be hit as far as the AFK thing. If there's only so much that you can look at a screen, it is excluding, which is what TGC doesn't want.

[tacit crescent]

agreed- i had to put down sky for a couple weeks just because i was getting a lil burnt out on flocking around for candles because all this new cool stuff. -not because i don't like the new things, i do! but it's very tiring sometimes.

[spark lance]

Our is already late haha ​​good night big friends i'm going to sleep a good night everyone depending on the region Day, Afternoon, Night Bye bye

[tawdry pine]

I kinda agree with you.
I want to decide what to get most of the time, will it be worth it or not? Main reason why I check the wiki to see a preview of TS, with events I'm set on getting what I can, see if TS is gonna be something I want or not and go from there.
The real problem surfaces when I gotta unlock stuff with my friends, with my close friends I don't hesitate, with other people I'm all about "I want to unlock more stuff with you but at the same time I want to save"
This why budgets are important and about the stress: hanging out with my friends or playing music does it for me, tho lately school and personal stuff is making me tired and slowly less inclined to play Sky if I got no one to be with.

[pure tapir]

I've been reading the Chat for a while with the comments of the devs and everyone here. I want to comment on the AFK system something: I imagine myself in the worst scenario, being an active Uber for many of my friends, some of them are disabled or young busy students or working adults, and I suffer from anxiety attacks, the game helps me To channel it, it is especially difficult for me to socialize, my comfort state is alone but Sky has given me the best experiences to help me heal and be better socially. With this system I would be very stressed thinking that at any moment my friends would stop getting candlelight and instead of being something fun and relaxed, it would be something mentally distressing.
The amount of time for my anxiety would not matter if it were 2 or 20 minutes, it would not change that I would stop being relaxed and then I would prefer to farm alone to avoid that stress.
I just know that there will always be things that the devs implement that we would not like and that cannot be avoided, the afk is probably one of these things but I would not leave the game for it, it would simply return me to my lonely comfort state. Perhaps with time I will find a way to adapt to compensate for that lack of socializing, but I still don't know how it would be beyond what I already feel knowing myself.

[wispy mulch]

Exactly! We arent children of the light , we can be happy with just exploring the domains we have, relaxing with friends, just TALKING

[spark lance]

Greetings skykids testers

I saw in Fb groups a solution for this new afk system if it goes global
Are using automatic touch screen apps
but I feel that it may end up banning it.
So don't do that

[kindred bay]

I think I see em so rarely in game now of days sadly, but they still are around mostly!

[elder roost]

I think for now they need to focus on the new bugs we have like the table bug and the sound effect/music bug where it suddenly turns off by itself. Idk im just giving an opinion

[swift edge]

Are you a new player?
.
.
If so I guess only new players are receiving them
.
.
If u are not then I wish tgc would send one to me again

[ancient ermine]

i am a new player

[bright scarab]

Tysm!!! That really means a lot to me! I started playing this game to cope with my chronic physical illness. I don't want to stop playing because of it

[rain hawk]

That puts a smile on my face
Y'all should really pin this message, cus I'm so glad that we can know our messages are seen

[quick crag]

Yes! Sometimes we might just want to experience the game in true bliss like we did as moths rather than constantly walk the same boring paths just for candles and daydreaming and music barely help it get any better

[gilded talon]

@vivid shore Sorry to be blunt but people have the right to be upset about something. And be disappointed. Keep telling them Sky is perfect and staying blindly positive ain’t gonna make them any less upset cause you are not seeing the reasoning behind their being upset, or you simply refuse to listen. You are free to hold a different opinion but stop telling people that they are wrong and heartless to be upset about TGC.

[grizzled kayak]

I’ve never bought a candle pack and I got a survey a month or so ago I think it could be completely random

[umbral whale]

I have a question
I just became an Android tester yesterday, how long did it take for yall to be able to download beta?

[gilded parrot]

@umbral whale, to join future beta invite waves, learn all about the beta version and the sign-up process in #beta-faq.

[spark lance]

Chibi bug>

[wispy mulch]

Truth tbh its okay to admit sky has flaws yknow, as u said tgc are only human

[bright portal]

Sky is already making a decent monthly revenue , estimation states their revenue is about $2M last month

[prisma raven]

do not

[sly cairn]

It took me since the invite wave for season of prophecy to download it (2 days ago)

[balmy rock]

Oh absolutely! I remember when Gratitude ended we had almost a whole month (or maybe month and a half? Can’t quite remember) off until Lightseekers and it was amazing not having to worry about being able to get all the seasonal content in time. And then.... after belonging we got shorter and shorter breaks in between seasons. Constantly having to rush back and forth in order to be able to collect everything for the season, and then getting maybe three weeks off if we’re lucky is just... it’s so tiring. And the thing is, with how many month-long seasons and events there are, I’m only ever motivated to play during those events because they take up all of the energy i can spare. Which really sucks, because Sky is supposed to be about socializing and having fun with friends, but with the amount of seasons and events we have, it’s really turned into more of a grind than it should be. (This is actually something that’s bothered me for a long time but I’ve never brought it up. I’m glad to see other people agree with me)

[vivid shore]

Who said anything about people being wrong?
We are all entitled to our own opinion and TGC is that kind of company who listens to feedback, bad or good.

[foggy atlas]

Yep... part of this also comes down to the problem of some people supporting TGC blindly no matter what but that is a topic many aren’t ready to discuss

[quick crag]

Only survey I've ever done was that one you do after your first eden

[umbral whale]

I guess it takes a lot longer than 24 hours
Theyve tricked us:pSquint:

[bitter gate]

I have a question and didn’t find it in #beta-faq so I hope you all don’t mind me asking.. is my spot in beta permanent or will it expire at some point?

[gilded talon]

Well your tone implies it tbh

[wispy mulch]

They didnt say anything about us being wrong, they were talking ab how you just ignore our points to worship TGC as flawless

[grizzled kayak]

If you’re inactive for a while/miss a lot of updates then there could be a progress wipe of inactives

[spark lance]

Bugs that have not yet been fixed:

ROcket bug
Chibi bug
New home bug
Table teleport bug
Piggy bank bug

[abstract nacelle]

no

[cosmic orchid]

the afk system doesn't really clash with my gameplay and perspective but it's nice to hear other peoples feedback and opinions around it. please everyone don't stress yourself too much and be respectful in the chat and in doing feedback to all

[gentle hornet]

Did I come back at a bad time...?

[rose surge]

i think the rocket and chibi fall are supposed to be there

[bright portal]

Ur pfp is so cute

[vivid shore]

now who said TGC was flawless and that we should worship TGC?

I can ignore what I want or not. It's my life mom.

[rain hawk]

Yes yes yes!!!
And not only is it rushing us, but then the devs have to feel pushed for content, making their work stressful, and making the results look as time constrained as they are!!!
They deserve a break from seasons for sure, just for at least a month instead of a few weeks!!!!!

[kindred belfry]

What is New home? And also most of these aren’t bugs more than useful glitches? Why remove them?

[brittle raft]

Tone it down a bit

[gilded talon]

Just please stop pretending to be neutral and accept people having different opinions while you are actually not.

[swift edge]

My group of sky friends ended up as a bunch with ppl with lots of trauma and mental disorders. I was surprised by how different yet similar we are. We all met through # looking-for-group-live randomly, we are all close and trying to help each other in hard times now. Most of us talk in other social media, some of us stopped playin sky.
Cr is somewhat therapeutic for us.
Just sharing... I will always consider them as my sky family

[spark lance]

@quaint canyon massively multiplayer online game, any online multiplayer game like sky, etc

[umbral whale]

Yes
The creators are humans just like us
And nobody is perfect
I know that sky's wholesome community is always there to give positive feedback to TGC

[balmy rock]

Also I forgot to mention this at first: yes yes before anyone comes at me i know we don’t have to complete seasons or buy event stuff. We’re not obligated to spend all of our time, energy, or money on this game. And the thing is we shouldn’t. With so many events going on, i really want to be able to participate in all of them because i love this game and i love the seasons and events. But i wish there were longer breaks in between events, so that people who do want to participate them to the fullest and support TGC can do that without feeling mentally and physically drained all the time.
This is entirely off topic from the AFK system, i know, but again i have very strong feelings about things like this and being able to talk about them really helps make me feel less alone in my opinions. Thanks

[ancient ermine]

guys let's not argue here

[wispy mulch]

Youve ignored my points on multiple occasions, when i brought up new ones you continued to praise how theyre award winning games, when others tried, you acted the same, only talking ab their positive and not addressing flaws, flaws are a thing

[tawdry pine]

[gentle hornet]

Yours is cute too

[radiant drum]

If discussion gets aggressive we will have to ask everyone to stop and take a break from this topic. Please stay constructive and respectful

[spark lance]

It's time for the chibi bug to be fixed
almost 2 years in the game and still has not been fixed.

@kindred belfry This home bug is in the expression part, avoiding taking the krill"s damage.

[bright portal]

Have you guys eaten or drink water? Stretch your fingers and take a break of all these typing folks

Timeout timeout, dont get ur emotions too rally up. i know i have too

[vivid shore]

It's my life. If I choose to love and support TGC, I can.

Flaws are a thing, yes, but I choose to only focus on the positibe sides of TGC and Sky, and that's my choice.

And yes I can praise them all I want. It's my computer, my discord, my Sky, my life.

I'm also a legally responsible adult now, so no need to tell me what to do and not do, mom

[elder roost]

I know its a bug but its a useful bug that many ppl use and im sure a lot of ppl are going to be upset if it gets fixed

[steady pond]

lets not be passive aggressive, keep it civil guys.

[ancient ermine]

i just want to do the first quest and everyone really out here arguing 😔
respect all opinions, theres no need to get upset because someone's is different than yours

[tawdry pine]

Thank you Mirian, it IS starting to get uncomfortable..:
I'm not trying to defend anyone but please guys, let's not fight here

[rain hawk]

Hey guys, let's tone it down, this is an important topic and we shouldn't have the mods close it

[mystic forge]

I can help if that's what you need

[spark lance]

you might wanna report bug first since you can't burn it through normal methods...

[quick crag]

Yeah I think you should check general chat theyre probably chilling rn

[gentle hornet]

I like the scavenger hunts we have to do for this season

[bright portal]

If you guys want something to fight , fight the krills for beaming innocent moths

[knotty bloom]

The first quest is w0nky rn. I’ve helped other with quests that aren’t available for me in the mean time :0

[tardy dune]

Okayyyyyy
What's the coolest bug y'all have found so far👀

[grizzled kayak]

On a different note, I’m really digging the torch. Think that’ll be my favorite since I missed out on bonfire

[tacit crescent]

@wispy mulch @vivid shore please keep it civil in here!

[bright scarab]

I agree!! We should take a breather. This topic needs to be talked about because of people's concerns (especially the accessibility ones) so please be civil so the rest of us can keep giving feedback?

[toxic spruce]

Hehehe table teleport

[cosmic orchid]

I'm cooking some lunch, ramen, who wants some

[radiant drum]

Messages that continue to fuel arguments or are aggressive may be removed and/or result in mutes. We really don't want to shut down any kind of discussion here so please take a moment to breathe and calm down now

[steady pond]

please just drop it, if you really want to keep dragging this on, do this in DMs, not in a public chat. i understand your points but you being passive aggressive here is not helping.

[vivid shore]

Let's go back to feedback and discussion of actual beta things now please

[prime lintel]

My personal favorite bug I’ve found was when the doors/gates in the trial of fire were bugged and were all rainbow. They were very pretty

[ancient ermine]

id appreciate that
also its a known bug i believe everyone else has experienced it if i'm not mistaken

[hardy mango]

I know quite a few people who’d be upset but honestly? After getting ditched outside the vault doors countless times by chibis (including ones who had enough friends to just help me in) I’d agree overall. It would be worth the trouble just for the sake of watching people try to abandon me and others only to realize it’s help or nothing ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[mystic forge]

I haven't really encountered any yet. only the first quest one. well it's my first day anyways

[rain hawk]

@wispy mulch please, dont fight them, we need to be able to talk about this its very important, if you keep messaging you'll shut down the chat for everyone because the mods will do so so please be careful.................

Its not about whos right anumore this is for the good of the whole community

[quick crag]

Oi! Pms exist use em if you're gonna fight

[wispy mulch]

I'm just trying to make sure TGC is treated like a company, aka not protected from any negative criticism

[swift edge]

Hey... this discussion is really not worth it :/
Pretty sure none of u will earn anything from it guys so how about just calm down and focus on ther things?

[bright portal]

BREAAATHEEE INNNN
BREATHEEE OUTT
claps alright beta chat , ya good?

[spark lance]

But now it's serious
I want to state my opinion about Sky and its framerate.
The Sky you can change the framerate depending on the graphical configuration
From 15/30/60 fps
But what bothers me is the fact that the whole game runs depending on the framerate you put
The expression menu for example if you put 15 fps it will run at 15 fps
I honestly find it very annoying and bad for when I play music or go into a expression
I don't know anything about programming but it seems that the Sky and its interface runs together with the framerate that the player places.

[tawdry pine]

and now it's becoming a pile on

[tropic radish]

Now, please don't dogpile

[grizzled kayak]

I tested the times and the torch recharges you faster than the little fire pot which is awesome 🤩 really hoping they don’t nerf the torch when it comes to live

[haughty pine]

No problem at all And also, I apologize if I seem like I'm being dismissing. I play Sky to cope with my chronic illnesses too so that really hits home, so my goal is to understand as much as possible because I think this is important, and what you guys explained also helped me understand things more deeply. I reread my previous message and realized it sounded a bit dismissive, so thank you for discussing it, too!

[bright scarab]

Mine was when I found out the Prophecy Guide sometimes flips upside down during cutscenes in the current beta build

[gentle hornet]

The little fire pot is cute- it’s so smol

[knotty bloom]

There’s a chibi bug? Is it their ability to go oob?

[abstract nacelle]

but its AP

cri in poor

[nova heron]

Afk system is unnecessary but im okay with it. 10 minutes is more than enough to be considered as afk.
20 minutes is too much. Running around several maps would require you to let go of your friends to open doors and burn plants. And some cutscenes would make you stop holding your friend.

[gilded talon]

Do as you please kiddo

[rain delta]

Good for you 🙂

[spark lance]

The torch is my favorite prop, hands down.

[rain narwhal]

Did the piece of the shelf between the two trees in the first quest disappear for anyone else? I am unable to complete it.

[steady pond]

TGC is definitely not flawless but please be aware that arguing on either side is gonna shut down discussion which really helps nobody 😔
lets not engage if someone is being too passive aggressive for the sake of continuing civil discussion

[wispy mulch]

Sorry guys, they're just so frustrating yknow I'd never hurt the community on purpose, right? I'm calm now, im sorry

[bright portal]

it also affects burning plants too i think
i noticed i burn plants faster at 60fps compared to lower framerates
am i hallucinating or is this actually a thing

[regal ore]

How does the AFK system affect?

[kindred belfry]

Are you saying it’s bad because the developers didn’t intend to give us those perks?

[tropic radish]

Hehe, pink totem
And black birbs in praire www

[tawdry pine]

I'm gonna try to get the hammock
I know they're comfy, I want my sky kid to be as well as cheesy as that sounds

[grizzled kayak]

Woah that’s actually a really cool observation...

[bright scarab]

Oh not at all!! I'm actually really happy someone is acknowledging my concerns at all :] Thank you so much for hearing me out! Most of my sky friends and I are disabled so it means a lot to me that people care!

[toxic spruce]

I think the biggest problem I’m having with sky (live and beta) is how much it heats up my phone sometimes it’s so bad that it lags and my audio will just die out (not the audio bug) I really hope they can fix this... I used to be able to play on 2 bolts just fine but now I sometimes need to play on 0 bolt cries

[gilded parrot]

@toxic spruce, to join future beta invite waves, learn all about the beta version and the sign-up process in #beta-faq.

[rain hawk]

Your passenger should only be semi afk with volume turned up, and if you have a problem with them you should take it up with them; your wishes shouldnt be forced upon a much larger majority of the community, in my opinion

[bright portal]

Attacko no more attacko, now you calmo

[knotty bloom]

I always play on 0 bolts Love living in pixels

[spark lance]

I think it's kind of pathetic to have advantages over bugs
I'm sorry to say that but playing for the bug is not like playing real Sky
always using bugs instead of playing the right way
But play the way you want, I am not your father or mother to say how you should play.

[wispy mulch]

Attacko will now abandon his lawyer ways and become a mountain hermit

[rain hawk]

@wispy mulch thank you so much for doing the right thing for the sake of the chat, love ya!!!!!

[gilded talon]

What about giving a thought into why this is causing so much controversy and causing so many conflicts whereas Sky is supposed to be wholesome and about bringing people together instead of creating misunderstandings and discrepancies?

[spark lance]

.-. this place is like a battlefield here...but we have different opinions about the game... I hope all can understand that though...

[vapid briar]

Regardless of how heated the discussion may be right now. That is not an excuse to attack or belittle others for having different opinions. That goes for people are in favor of the changes just as much as those who are opposed.

[foggy atlas]

We appreciate you attacko

[vivid shore]

Mods are players just like us, they don't work/ are not employees of TGC

[kindred belfry]

I mean... if it’s there.. why not use it? I can get the chibi fall in places like vault where people genuinely do need help, but I fail to see the downside in the other glitches such as the home trick and rocket ship

[spark lance]

It’s a very tricky feature for sure... can you Uber someone through say birds nest AND Sanctuary in 10m? It’s that kind of scenario that needs to be considered... like what is the longest area where interaction is not needed. Otherwise... this feature will end being a unnecessary punishment feature.

[quaint canyon]

why did you ping me

[sly cairn]

Although tbh I wish I wasn’t disabled so I can “play the game how the devs want me too”

Edit:a okay this is half a joke I’m learning how to be at peace with my disability but STILL-

[hardy mango]

When I take my friends on cr they’re only semi afk, or only gone a couple of minutes and they tell me before they leave and when I’m back so I don’t get stuck at a forced hand-drop point. If someone is going full afk on you as an uber you don’t gotta take that. You can drop them and move on. I take my friends on cr regardless of afk because I love em and I want them to actually afford ts even if they have homework

[wispy mulch]

Love ya too! sorry again, the great overlord isnt known for a good temper- but he's fine now!

[tropic radish]

Some bugs can become apart of playstyle, but don't expect to stick with them all them time
Remember when people rambled because hometrick was accidentally patched ? ( Settings home glitch )
Yeah, that sort of thing

It's nice, play however you want, it's a valid playstyle ^^
But do take note it's an unintended feature and can go away at any time. Always keep a back up plan just in case

[cosmic orchid]

here here, and I feel this way to with our personal defense against krills, home trick
we shouldn't be too attached to it for long since its still a bug. but I'm guessing a lot of people will still complain about it, sorta

[brittle raft]

I honestly feel like a lot of bugs are some of the most entertaining parts of the game

[long comet]

That, and some ppl who either cant chibi fall or do certain glitches need help with doors. For me my mine gripe is doors that ppl refuse to help open with me or glitch through it altogether and leave me behind lol

[spark lance]

It’s good to use the first or third time
But using it all the time to get an advantage is kind of "Meh"
Like the chibi bug, some players even avoid helping others in a specific part and use the chibi bug
And this is too anti-social since Sky is a social game as the game's Devs cite.

[bright portal]

sadly it does not give a good impression in a long run

"this game keeps the bugs because it bring advantages for players", not really a nice note. <- a quote that someone might say, not my statement

[wispy mulch]

So is capeless actually coming or were you just teasing

[vivid shore]

Wait are we talking about bugs in live or beta?
Because beta bugs are supposed to exist, and it's our job to hunt them

[spark lance]

I play chibi too, I use chibi fall too but I make it a point to help others when I see people. Sometimes I honk at other people to help others to open the door but I always get ignored by others...

[cosmic orchid]

mistakes and accidents are part of the journey, even in

[slim kayak]

Do you mean invisible cape? It's been in beta for almost a year now and hasn't gone live because it reveals some funky skykid physics

[kindred bay]

Adapting to changes is really good!

Even if they are glitches and bugs sometimes, it can help the whole experience with sky and friends sometimes! (although they can sometimes get in the way)

Having an adaptable playstyle is really fun and useful for people to be able to learn more and find out tricks and skills more

[tropic radish]

This, I always think about this and how there's a lot of individuals out there who refuse to spare some time to open doors because of it
I would not complain if the chibi glitch was removed at all. If it meant to stop people like this to ignore
or return radar honk, but that sounds like a foolish wish lol

[brittle raft]

I once friended a person in vault specifcially so I could take them inside a door with chibi fall because there was nobody else in there.

[hardy mango]

I for one can survive without home trick; I’ve done it for a long time now and I know how to counter and avoid krill. It will suck that the graveyard tree will basically become unattainable tho... wax is not worth my winged light imo

[spark lance]

Since bugs are a good thing in SKy
So why did they remove the mushroom bug?
It was a great bug, it didn't disturb anyone, it only gave 2 candles a day only
I used it a few times unfortunately but anyone who has played since the Season of knows about this bug

[spark lance]

I agree, but it’s also to TGC to NOT leave such bugs/glitches in there so they essentially become very well known part of the game. Why create the dependency right???? My point is... players will get upset when u remove these forever glitches and that’s expected I think too.

[sly cairn]

I do this frequently for live (and now for beta after getting my chibi mask)

[kindred belfry]

I see how that can be an issue, on the other hand, chibi bug is sometimes the only way to access an oob. There’s two sides to it. Just as the home glitch can teach moths to be reckless around krill, it allows players to feel confidently enough to even venture to wasteland (I was deathly afraid of wasteland after my first run and didn’t visit again until I learned about the home glitch)

[wispy mulch]

Would be so neat to pull a demon overlord with it

[patent dove]

I usually wait by vault doors to see if anyone needs help. I've seen other players ignore those who needs help in Vault. Bugs are not bad imo, just depends on how the players use them

[vapid briar]

I've been observing this chat for many, many hours today and yesterday. Any person who even attempts to be neutral or even supports the change has been attacked for being "wrong" or trying to win points with TGC like some kind of apologist. Which is not fair to those people. Just because there are disagreements doesn't give license to attack another player or make them feel lesser than for having a different point of view. Staff and mods would be stepping in if the tables were turned and people were attacking players who had a negative opinion on the change. Regardless of how unpopular something is, the community #rules still apply.

[spark lance]

I can't survive w.o the home glitch to be honest. will quit when time comes

[cosmic orchid]

with the introduction of Daily Light, I rarely go to wasteland now, I have no plans of giving up my 11th wedge

[radiant drum]

There are ways to discuss, express yourself and disagree with others that do not involve calling names, being passive aggressive or straight up hostile, and those are the only discussions we will be having in this server. That wasn't a comment directed to anyone in specific, more of a general reminder to stay calm and speak with a clear mind while still being considerate of others. This is a big change, and it for sure will cause some strong reactions and friction in the community, but this isn't a place for fighting

[toxic spruce]

The amount of ‘vault door’ names in my constellation shows how many times I had to glitch someone in cause there’s no one

[vivid shore]

But if they fix all the bugs, that means we'll lose the home trick too.. that's a bug I like to keep please

[haughty pine]

It's made me so happy to see, too, that Sky has been able to be a sanctuary for a lot of disabled people. I really, really hope that TGC knows that they touched a lot of people's lives that way and created something that helps a lot of people. Whether they originally put that design in Sky or not, it's there, and I hope they can continue to nourish it instead of make it harder.

[rain narwhal]

I’m just worried about the oobs lol.

[tawdry pine]

If it has bug in the name, it can get patched by mistake / when adding stuff- that happened with hometrick

[thick coral]

Have any other android people gotten into beta?

[bright scarab]

Exactly!! The fact that Sky is a refuge for so many disabled folks is amazing It's just sad to see the potential for a change that could affect one of the communities who need Sky the most

[wispy mulch]

Oobs are the true magic of sky

[spark lance]

I played for a long time without that glitch, but then it just hung around and well... might as well. Prob if TGC removes these major glitches, a proper announcement is needed... hate to see bunch players click home and

[hardy mango]

Ah, so daily light is the reason Wasteland has become even more lifeless and barren than the usual 😂 I like my space overall but it’s a little sad that my favorite realm and elder are being increasingly abandoned 😭

[foggy atlas]

Ahaha with DL I avoid valley so hard

[spark lance]

The graveyard (Where it is infested with krills) Usually you have to go without attracting a lot of attention, but with the Home Bug players don't even make an effort to avoid them.

[swift edge]

It became so hard to find that 8 player group to go to ||oreo's|| place after the candle system changed

[vivid shore]

I for one go to wasteland first. It's so satisfying to see those giant embers of wax while dodging krills. It feels like I earned them

[spark lance]

I know I am not as pro as other gamers who can avoid it as fast as they could. .-. I also understand that this is not a bug to be abused but.... i hope that this stays for people who are like me.. and sometimes there are nasty people who guides krills to us as well... so...

[tropic radish]

/I
Oh dear you're right ;-;
I barely run wasteland ever since day light. Now I just do praire, forest, valley and isle and got around 19 candles already

[brittle raft]

Home bug is the only thing that makes the tree in there actually doable

[wispy mulch]

I do, ik they cant hurt me bc i use the trick but it still scares me

[kindred belfry]

Um no lmao, they def see me from across the map and hunt me down 😭😭😭. I don’t even see the light half the time. The home glitch gave me the confidence to actually learn the routes lol. I don’t even use it as much anymore now cause I can time it right. If the glitch never happened, I probably would still avoid wasteland tbh

[knotty bloom]

I love golden wasteland ^^ The krills are exiting. And meeting others there is always fun There’s an immediate bond when two people are avoiding krills together , or even offer themselves as bait

[bright scarab]

I LOVE wasteland!!! I think it's so elegant and sad There's a strange beauty in the melancholy wastes. I also have a lot of good memories there from messing with krill with my friends, and from just sitting and talking in the Wasteland temple

[spark lance]

GW was the Uber cash in... dunno if it’s still needed... ur right

[foggy atlas]

I love krills so even if I don’t cr gw as often anymore, I still go to play with krills sometimes
dodging them while flying is so fun

[thick coral]

Wasteland my beloved...

[abstract nacelle]

im so agree with this, home trick is the only thing gave me confidence to go to wasteland and learn the krills movement and routes

[spark lance]

Imagine the very old players burning the tree without this bug

[vivid shore]

ikr, even when the krill is attacking the manta and I go on home trick screen just to be on the safe side, the screech of the krill still makes me nervous

[bright portal]

When did home bug ever started? Feels like since the beginning of time

[patent dove]

I don't use home trick anymore because I know how to dodge and where to hide. But a huge part of that is from using home trick 🤣🤣 it took a while for me to get used to the krills

[wispy mulch]

I like wasteland bc of the caves, its nice to see how the krills adjusted to life there after killing everyone-

[spark lance]

I panic when I see the blue light on me though... I also panic when I see the krill looking at me without any light and out of their range...

Hey if we see a bug where do we report it?!

[knotty bloom]

The closest I’ve ever seen someone get krilled was about, 1 jump away 0-0 Glad my sound was off then

[worn field]

the krill scare me whether i use home-trick or not so i just let them hug me

[sleek pelican]

#beta-bugs-ios

[spark lance]

It’s Uber insurance mostly or moth confident booster

[foggy atlas]

#report-a-live-bug #beta-bugs-android #beta-bugs-ios

[worn field]

!thatskybug here are some instructions ⤵️

[gilded parrot]

To report a Sky bug to TGC, head to #report-a-live-bug Because that channel is read-only, you need to carefully follow the instructions at the bottom of the channel to submit a report

[vapid briar]

[hardy mango]

Yeah, sometimes they see you from a crazy distance, and it’s usual when you’re too high up to take shelter. Dodging is sketchy at best... I can recommend learning the krill’s area bounds though. Maybe even test them while home is active yet. If you can fly FAST to the outside of their programmed spot you should be able to dodge/get them to stop charging. Opposite side of graveyard from the attacking krill’s usual route is a good rule of thumb. I can’t tell you how many times that’s saved me from a glitch-spotting krill

[mystic forge]

Well imo I really like the bug and tgc wants everyone to play their own way (as long as it isn't hacking). tgc is not really gonna remove it because a whole bunch of people love it, and if they remove it all lot of the players will be bummed out. Its easier for many people who hate krills and sometimes more fun. But remember it's MY OPINION if it doesn't apply to you then that's ok I'll respect yours too.

[abstract nacelle]

sorry that i dont happen to feel the v v old players did but we move on and we need something that we can use to defend ourself instead of avoiding that almost hard for everyone to learn

[kindred bay]

Sky having such a large amount of disabled and neurodivergent people and them being treated like they are as on even ground as others than by just community grounds
Sky is an amazing sanctuary for people of all types that can suffer with some stuff.

Hopefully we can see more improvements on stuff in the future and explore more stuff that TGC gives us. That's why Beta of sky being so much more open to people also outside of it is nice.
(Sorry for being slightly off topic from where the discussion is going rn, saw some stuff related to this and It just made me feel happy about seeing stuff like it going around in Beta chat)

[wispy mulch]

Also please tell me im not the only desperate spamming the send button bc of the cooldown

[tropic radish]

/I first fly away as far as I can, trying to dodge
If I can't, I just stop and take the hit take their hug

[patent dove]

Ive seen players with bonfire chillin while burning the plants solo 🤣🤣🤣 they refused to let me help too

[cosmic pollen]

guys just wanna ask if the skirt of ms. hide and seek is on live already?

[wheat pumice]

coming..

[knotty bloom]

..soon to DVD

[kindred belfry]

Personally I’ve learned flying parallel in the opposite directions to their routes really helps, or flying in a way that makes hiding easier

[spark lance]

Sky kids be like those umm.... fainting 🐐 when krill spot us

[vivid shore]

That's the beauty of Sky. No gender, no religion, no race, no age even. Here, we are all Sky kids.

[bright portal]

Who thought it was a great idea to put a big plant with juicy wax in the middle of 2 krill pathways

[mystic forge]

Ima have to grind on eden, hearts, and candles soon for the skirt

(I already have enough candles so mainly hearts and eden)

[lusty light]

It’s great to have some challenge 🌝

[dreamy crater]

Hello, I've finished the Assembly constellation, and used all the seasonal hearts to get the other UR, but now I need 2 more hearts for the cape. Is this a bug, or should I report?

[wispy mulch]

They like when we suffer

[worn field]

i heard one of the devs are a krill

[lusty light]

Umm no they’re clearly NOT a krill 🙄

[tropic radish]

I thought there was more than one though ?

[bright scarab]

Oml tysm!!! I'm so glad you feel validated by my concerns about the AFK system and accessibility :) I've been trying to start a conversation about it because I don't want to see my friends or I leave sky bc playing isn't realistic for them anymore Besides, as a disabled voice in the community I feel responsible for talking about the problems we face so that TGC can be make aware of accessibility concerns, and disabled players experiences can be improved as a whole

[kindred bay]

The Krill devs will always find us and keep us in check

[gilded parrot]

Anyone have a good joke?

[tawdry pine]

Me who simply hops away when a krill spots me:

Like fr I got my usual route and any krill that spots me loses sight of me when I just keep going

[spark lance]

Is that a joke on #roles or is that real in game? I always see krill off their route and spotting me for no good reason...

[patent dove]

They are pretty fun to burn tbh xD I always wear chibi while doing Wasteland and it makes me feel stronk whenever I successfully burn it

[reef furnace]

I'm on the first assembly quest and can't find the last piece. Did anyone else have a problem with this?

[spark lance]

now imagine if the devs were skykids but the skykids were krills 👻

[bright portal]

you suggested it to the devs didint you

[lusty light]

I am but a humble sky player

[hardy mango]

Yeah, they’ve been weird lately. I’ve learned that even if a krill passes don’t consider yourself safe because they may circle, double back, or even twist and see you. Either that they’ve gotten smarter😅

[wispy mulch]

Where on earth were you when hell broke loose?

[cosmic orchid]

I still have mad respect for players playing with one-handed mode

[vivid shore]

plot twist: Seraph is a krill ||disguised as a mod 👀 ||

[vapid briar]

https://tenor.com/view/you-rang-you-rang-gif-5223560

[worn field]

[prime lintel]

I thought you were 3 krill and not just one?

[tawdry pine]

We already know how Ktjn looks like, check #general-sky-discussion pins

[kindred bay]

Three krills in a Ktjn shaped trenchcoat

[tropic radish]

Krills : Dragons of the Dark

[spark lance]

Obviously the BEST way to play... stretches fingers

[wispy mulch]

Ash's finest masterpiece

[vivid shore]

I swear I feel like the krills grow smarter with each new update

[spark lance]

technically smarter coz there are skykids who are krill trainers.. XDD dodging business

[spark lance]

Thru the consumption of Sky kids over time... they have evolved to be smarter... u r what u eat

[knotty bloom]

I once had a krill spot me miles away. I was too busy laughing at my friend for being spotted, and before I knew it, the krill had done a sharp 90 degree head turn towards me. Quickest 180 of my emotions ever. (This was looooong ago though )

[kindred bay]

Us training ourselves to dodge em has been training the krills as well from our chaotic actions as skykids

[hardy mango]

The graveyard one that guards the stairs and mountain doubled back though the plateau pass THREE times the other day, so can confirm... each time I thought it must be safe to move he came back. They’re definitely smarter and I’m sure it’s my own tactics teaching ‘em how best to kill me 😂😭

[tawdry pine]

That's just Ktjn getting online

[abstract nacelle]

moth getting krilled and lost stars: i am depression

6 months later getting krilled and lost stars: lol

[primal pagoda]

~~This is far from beta topic. Perhaps move the conversation to #general-sky-discussion ? ~~ oh welp I just saw the mods were here and ktjn dropped by and sent a gif 😂

[lime frigate]

henlo can i ask how much is the braids in the scolding student tree?

[gilded crag]

Me missing the invite TwT

[vivid shore]

This actually began from discussing the home trick getting patched,

which is a topic that stemmed from the discussion of some players feeling like we are getting so many new changes (and we get to test them in beta) while so many bugs are still left unfixed

Then it was mentioned that the hometrick is also indeed a bug

[spark lance]

Absolutely right... but fun is fun I guess... with that he exits! 🤜🏼 !!BETA4LIFE!! 🤛🏼

[spark lance]

Dude same I bet when the waves came out everyone was like:

NYOOOMMMMM #beta-signup-info 🏃‍♂️🏃‍♀️🏃

[jovial frigate]

Hello everyone, there should be a splash sound effect for when you jump/fly into the water right? Or am I misremembering things

[hardy mango]

What do we all know about the shepherd/friendly system? I’ve been awaiting that one coming to live for awhile now, but if I’m being honest I’m not sure how it works atm, and I got the general impression no one else does either

[rain hawk]

Mm definitely
I feel the dependancy the most with rocket and chibi clipping, which are both an important part of my skyfam and I's runs

[foggy atlas]

Yeah
Sounds have been bugging out lately

[bright scarab]

Actually, I have been trying to get back into the beta for a month I was helping my mom make dinner when I got the notif so I panicked and ran upstairs as fast as I could

[wispy mulch]

Server shepherds when they get to be shepherd in game

"THIS ISNT EVEN MY FINAL FORM"

[vivid shore]

what about the in-game translator?

[jovial frigate]

Funny thing is everything else seems okay, like the honks are okay or when you're swimming there's a sound, but the splash itself is missing, I'll go submit a report just to be sure ; v;

[foggy atlas]

Oh wow, for me the honks are one of the sound effects most buggy rn
Many times people have been spam honking at me, their honks animation are behind on the sound (or vice versa) / they don’t sound at all

[nova heron]

You didn't get my point. And no, I'm not forcing my wish to everyone. I have no problems with my friends. Minority should also be heard.

[jovial frigate]

Ikr, the missing sound effects really makes me restart sky because it feels weird without it ; v;

[worn field]

sound is more than half the experience

[foggy atlas]

Even when I restart sky, it just keeps happening a bit after

[toxic spruce]

What is everyone’s fav quest of assembly?

My fav is definitely the last one! Flying through the hoops and flowing with the bird stream was incredible!

[thin shell]

Gathering materials for the hammock

[mystic forge]

Aha I didn't get to experience most of them cause someone was forcefully dragging me

[vivid shore]

Just to be clear withthe terms minority and majority.. a few thousands of us here is actually just a minority of the actual millions of Sky players worldwide. We are simply one of those those fortunate souls who have access to discord and sky on social media. Not everyone gets to be as lucky.

[wispy mulch]

Ayy the birds get their screen time!

[spark lance]

I want to know news from people that waiting for BETA download. No sleep no eat lol, must be funny

[vivid shore]

I could never get enough players to join me in that quest, hence I never got to finish it even now

[cosmic orchid]

what if tgc added water physics in sky

[bright portal]

Hmm, do you think it would be better if sky discord have other multilingual channels and maybe get more mods to help moderate other languages?

[steady pond]

last quest is solo though

[wispy mulch]

Yes but the moral support

[mystic forge]

I can be moral support :>

[toxic spruce]

You only need 1 person for the final one! But yea it’s hard to find ppl to do the other ones which kinda sucks

[vivid shore]

not last quest, the one 2nd to the last

[finite inlet]

our phone will blow up

[wispy mulch]

HURRAY i waste my 2 min cooldown for this and regret nothing

[gilded crag]

No I was like

[cosmic orchid]

google still won't let me in to beta æææææ

[sick pendant]

I wasted my 2 min to send u a hug for moral support and regret nothing

[toxic spruce]

Btw apparently ppl who haven’t done the previous quests can help those who started the later quests! Which is amazing but maybe confusing too

ie, My friend on quest 2 but i started quest 5 and they can join in, don’t think it counts when they complete it tho

[slim kayak]

we really need to replace google's alarm clock huh?

[wispy mulch]

this is why he loves you, ignis

[bright scarab]

Oh, hello, Aeras! Hru?

[wild dust]

Good morning everyone
Can we download the app from Play Store now?

[slim kayak]

hi frutex! i'm good, been lurking in the beta channels like i usually do everyday its been a while since the slowmode was over a minute, but at least its not 10

[vagrant sequoia]

Well it would be ok if there are different servers for those languages, tgc does posts for korea and japanese, so it would be cool for a separate server that are all japanese and all korean

[terse river]

i agree. i could fry eggs on my phone now.

[bright scarab]

Too true lol. I'm surprised the slow mode hasn't been increased more honestly with how chaotic it was just a half hour ago. I'm glad to hear you have been doing well!! I've been trying to get Kai and I's disability concerns abt the afk system out there a little and I think I'm doing well so far :3

[faint comet]

Waiting game izz real 😆

[slim kayak]

ah yeah, i also mentioned that a few hours ago. i hope the accessibility issues will get resolved due to our feedback

[vagrant sequoia]

Yeah but some beta testers here have been able to get into beta but haven't been able to download the app for years so....

[icy cove]

Hey, I would like to know if you guys agree with the new system that stops AFK players from getting wax. I find this extremely frustrating. Sometimes we have other things to do and then your friend comes and helps you: all about the concept of friendship that Sky want to pass to us. And now they're taking it away. It will only separate players from playing toguether, since not everyone have same tome schedules and most of players I play with are from other countries/timezones. To me, it's more of a method that makes players get less wax possible and I'm so dissapointed at this. Please, tell me if I'm wrong

[brittle raft]

Some users cannot be looking at the game all the time because it causes headaches, there's others who might suffer from pain in hands/or wrists that makes it difficult to be active typing or performing other actions but still desire to hang out with friends and get candles.
I suffer from both of these issues occassionally.

[bright scarab]

It always is >:3

Disabled players have different needs that neurotypical and able bodied players. And these needs can range wildly depending on the disabilities. There are things like photosensitivity and sensory overload which can make it hard for people to look at a screen for large portions of times, even if they are being ubered. So the new AFK system indirectly affects disabled folks who rely on afk Ubers to be able to play Sky at all.

[mystic forge]

I don't really like it because I usually have homework and school so I need ubers a lot but since the afk system is here I cant really pay attention to it

[spark lance]

I'm kinda disagree to the new afk system
And....its also kinda useless to some smart people

[vagrant sequoia]

That's me right there, i got so sleepy while on my run i had to pause it a bit

[chrome ivy]

Is first time playing beta the cutscene are unable to skip?

[icy cove]

I'm in college, so free time for me is kinda rare

[arctic pivot]

|| In order to get invisible cape, do I need to get vault elder hair?||
I have no idea if I should censor this since it's beta chat but I did anyway

[spark lance]

If they know what auto clicker is then the afk system is nothing

[faint comet]

You're like a Moth-but-not-really-a-Moth

[slim kayak]

no spoiler tags needed here! and yes, you need to complete all of vault, buy the vault elder hair, and then have 999 hearts to spare

[cosmic pollen]

I don't agree with the afk system even though I always do run by myself. it's just so unfair with others who's reason are valid that's why they're afk

[exotic spear]

Yeah. I have a friend that gets dizzy and bad headaches in prairie and valley. And has to close her eyes. 🥺

[wispy mulch]

Summon oreo, office, orbit, cant warn me to spoiler now can ya

[chrome ivy]

Tedious, too tedious.

[arctic pivot]

That's gonna take a while since I'm solo, but I'll give it a shot but thanks!

[vagrant sequoia]

🌮

[bright scarab]

I really do appreciate everyone hearing out my concerns It's nice to know that people care about us and our well being!! Thank you all!

[slim kayak]

i have a few friends who managed to get invisible cape after a few months in beta. i would probably be close to getting it if the ascended capes weren't so pretty

[wispy mulch]

🌮

[steady pond]

betas not for emote spamming, yall 😔

[arctic pivot]

I don't have any friends that gift me hearts, so once I'm done collecting hearts from spirits, I have to rely on anything to survive

[kindred bay]

It's really nice to hear these concerns out and being put in the open!
So no Thank you for saying and addressing them so openly

[exotic spear]

I also have friends with bad anxiety in wasteland and fire trial that can’t look at screen much 😥

[wheat pumice]

I experience that when its my 1st tym playing dis game. huhuh.
So,bad I had to stop for awhile.

[brittle raft]

I am still awaiting for TGC to add a "photosensitive mode" that reduces the contrast and brightness of some effects in-game for players who tend to get headaches

[spark lance]

im so scared of fire trial i just dont go to fire trial even though there are cakes

[vagrant sequoia]

Lmao, deli entered the moment fire trial is discussed

[sly cairn]

Anyway I’ve tried to be on here for far too long so I will proceed to pass away from sheer pain. Cya all . Bless your soul frutex for advocating like a champion because l certainly can’t do it in a palatable matter qwq

[exotic spear]

I love the trial. And love assisting my friends. Sky won’t be the same if I can’t help them 😪

[dapper briar]

Heyo, a question from a Beta Moth.

Are you able to friend non-beta players on your beta acc?
Eg, my Mum (Moth-er) is wanting to Uber my beta acc around (bc baby acc) but she doesn’t have live. The QR code scan is not working, I am wondering what that could mean, and if “invalid” in this case could be “not allowed”

Please @ me ( @dapper briar ) in any replies, I have a feeling this chat moves fast and this has a high likelihood of being buried, so as to speak.

Edit: ah I see, thanks!

[bright scarab]

Of course!! Anything to make our voice heard. You have a good night!

[brittle raft]

A friend and I have been figuring out ways to get through Fire trial quickly
hint: you need a friend with piggyback (and warp, ideally)

[kindred bay]

It would also be nice to have an more advance sound setting as well from an sound sensitive person's POV
I still like a lot of the sounds in sky (Mostly the calls and water splash sound effect but we don't talk about that-) and some are really important but just get put under a way where you have to choose or not if it's worth to keep it on or off, but there's also some sounds that are too much for me like Fireworks

[vagrant sequoia]

Nah not rlly, the cool down is at 2 minutes, so... No ur message wont get burried

[hollow flare]

there could be multiple options for visually affected in settings tbh, like photosensitive/flashing lights/contrast/max brightness level. i wish this would get implemented since there are quite a few people who face these

[spark lance]

did you guys got sky beta yet?

[chrome ivy]

I think I just play beta and found a first bug. Butterfly green Cape

[safe sage]

I do think there needs to be a way to disable the white out transitions because a lot of them are sudden and blind me and they harm my friend who is photosensitive. Especially in trials, it would be helpful to have an option to turn them off

[faint comet]

#wishlist-and-ideas-archived or #live-feedback it

[vagrant sequoia]

That's not a bug , that's an item from assembly

[bright portal]

My eyes be fried when i play in a darker room

[bright scarab]

EXACTLY!! This and wax brightness were the two things that hurt my head the most when I had a migraine a while ago.

[dapper briar]

To be honest, the krill does a very dangerous (epilepsy-wise) animation [even in the Live version, am working on obtaining screen recordings] where it ends up flashing red/blue on you (like usual) HOWEVER it keeps alternating from one VERY bright and intense colour to another one, and flashing so fast that I am almost seeing purple (i would estimate ≈ 10+ changes per second?)

[spark lance]

the ones that yes
are you from the invite wave yesterday? or from dreams?

[chrome ivy]

[hollow flare]

yeah i hate that one! if the lights were a grey-white like from light awaits, and change to another colour instead that would be good.

also could there be an option to limit sound levels? i love sky sfx and background music, but the krill noises are really painful to hear... perhaps like an audio slider to restrict max volume?

[safe sage]

Another thing that I want to have a toggle for is motion blur. It’s a small change but it would make the graphics feel cleaner for me and potentially help with motion sickness
Heck, I want full graphics settings control including contrast control and deep call light toggle (when someone calls so that it flashes on your screeen rly bright)

[bright portal]

Oh , is it the bug where the butterlfy cape frm sanctuary look greenish?

Its quite an old bug, seems like it came back

[bright scarab]

So do the Worm animations in Fire trial (both when they krill you and when you can krill them at the end since it makes the screen shake rapidly) The Trials are a nightmare for photosensitivity in general imo

[spark lance]

i guess i still need to wait i still can't download it

[faint comet]

I guess it varies from platforms, I don't know how IOS works but some Android got to install it right away, some got it within 12-24h time frame and some (previous beta testers statements ) waited weeks to finally install it.

What I can say tho is patience, your tester slot is not going anywhere, ~~or is it? ~~

I dunno either if your tester slot is already reserved for you 😅

[bright portal]

Im not photosensitive and the eyes swirling frm those fuzzy black caterpillars gives me a headache

[kindred bay]

Don't let the dark crabs eat your tester slot on accident while you wait, they can sometimes make it longer /lh

[spark lance]

aight aight patience I'm an android too btw

[pale junco]

If you are enrolled as a tester on Android you cannot be removed. Just be patient and wait for Google to wake up. noone knows when it will.

[bright portal]

This finally explains why am i still in beta since sanctuary even though i havent clicked on a beta link since then

[faint comet]

Ooooh, nice! Same here and we really can't do anything here nor TGC since this is up to Google now.

[chrome ivy]

When I can use the friend constellation. I lazy to run entire realm for all spirit. Also I need to run live versiom cr

[tribal grove]

I think this new system started in dreams if i recall correctly but that’s so cool!

[kindred bay]

IOS has a limited amount of testers possible at one time I believe so that's why IOS beta players have to watch out more for the waves

[pale junco]

The new Google policy not allowing tgc to remove google testers came out recently, i think you got lucky there

[bright portal]

Honestly i have no idea Every single time i say goodbye to beta i checked and says i can still update

The only thing i didint do is manually leave the program

[odd field]

hey im not sure where to tell you this but im honestly upset with the afk system. i dont want to sound rude but rather than encouraging more socialization, it could severe a friendship apart. imagine someone busy who have friends to bring them around, unfortunately, their candles are not adding up

[sleek pelican]

#beta-feedback

[bright scarab]

You all are amazing I talk for a day about how the new AFK system could hurt disabled players and ya'll start talking about other potential problems disabled players face, AND ways to fix them THANK YOU from the bottom of my heart!!

[bright portal]

the community should look after one another

[kindred bay]

That's what a community is for in my eyes! so it's nice to see us group together to try and find ways to help

[bright portal]

this server has actively keep my brain running as i get 6 hour back to back classes at least this place is so wholesome it gives me the strength

[hasty vessel]

hahah the diving board in the new area is so funny!

[viscid marten]

It's been 30 hours or so and I still can't download beta TwT

[spark lance]

It does bring back some childhood Nostalgia for everyone

[ocean heart]

I think the afk-ing thing is kinda dumb, they should just remove the light from the tree. There are a lot of players who afk and let their friends drag them around.

[formal lintel]

hello may i know what does the hexagon use for? not the hexagon at tree house, the hexagon that we got from the spirit.

[sleek pelican]

Iirc there's still no function revealed atm

[wheat pumice]

Hoping that it will become a portal to what your heart desire. XD

[formal lintel]

ikr hahahaah 😅😅

[austere echo]

Can the krill fit the hexagon?

[slim kayak]

only one way to find out

[civic ember]

I have a question I just got beta and do I have to report bugs like everyday so I don’t get kicked out? I really want to be an active tester and I will be but I’m scared that I might run out of bugs to report

[sleek pelican]

Krill cage

[slim kayak]

being a tester is more than just reporting bugs. you can leave feedback, discuss things in the discord, or just log in and play the game. you don't need to do play everyday or report bugs everyday. just do what is comfortable for you

[civic ember]

Ooooo okay makes sense thanks

[pale junco]

No, you don't have to report everyday. Report whenever you find something not working correctly.
If you are a ios user you can get kicked out of the game if you are inactive in game.
(Noone is sure what counts as active)
Android testers can't be removed untill they leave willingly

[wheat pumice]

Report you may think a bug or give feedback what your heart or other's desire. ❤️

[civic ember]

No fair >:((

[pale junco]

Tgc didn't do this Google changed their policies
Here's more info
#beta-announcements message

[sleek pelican]

Google's policy~
They are slow tho🥴

[slim kayak]

google has always been like this unfortunately. just wait until we get more updates. androids usually have to wait an hour after ios gets it. we once waited 12 hours. pain.

[mystic forge]

When I tried to download it today it was bugging out cause it kept showing install then says it's full, untill I did the other way to install it :')

[solid coral]

does anyone know where are the pieces for the shelf? I collected all but I think the last piece is stuck in a tree. like when you go close to the tree you can see part the fire button but ofc you can't reach

[slim kayak]

yeah, the first quest seems to be bugged with that one piece stuck in the ground. you have to glitch under ground to get it. please submit a bug report if you can!

[chrome ivy]

Someone tell me the trick if you wait the google to know you are tester in 24 hour but still nothing but this trick is very grey area.

[faint comet]

Def post this on #beta-feedback but I think this is specifically for beta testers

[odd field]

already did the second i posted that here

[rain delta]

I’m curious if the season ending so fast in beta is due to the number of things we have to do after that :O

[spark lance]

There is a game booster plug in for my device that shows me gpu, cpu and temp. Tried it out last night only to find out neither live nor beta are actually running at 60fps when I have it set. It seemed to max at 50fps. Also, my phone was around 40°C apparently. I'm just not sure if these issues are device or game related or both.

[bright portal]

Yeah this always been an issue my phone cannot achieve proper 60 fps in both platforms At max 55

[hollow compass]

I think we've basically tested most of the season already, apart from the functionality of some items. Why drag it out if we can do other things?

[slim kayak]

ah yeah, i use dev mode to track fps, and an external app for temperature. i'm usually stable at around 60 fps, but overheating seems to be a big issue when i'm listening to music with game audio off. i've almost hit 115 F at the most

[hollow compass]

115F is 46 C.