beta-discussion

[random gull]

Please don’t assume genders. Ktjn uses she and they pronouns

[vapid briar]

Thank you for the kind words. The team so appreciative of all the love (and mountains of patience) Android folks have given us. It's an incredible honor.

[spark lance]

I read here something about hackers. I met one player having the ultimate umbrella helping us get the TS last nov. 28 in beta server. I only have 2 screenshots of it. Can this be of help to report it? 😅

[final pike]

i'll have to start hanging out in here more often haha

[slim kayak]

!reportplayer please use the in game report system

[gilded parrot]

Here's some info on how to report players in the game: https://bit.ly/ReportFAQ

[safe knoll]

Hello ktjn, regarding to your question earlier about potential Trial of Water (carry) exploit, all in 0.10.4

• I can't do rocket bug in Trial of Water anymore (true for both beta+live)
• When I'm carrying my friend, if I'm drowned my friend is also drowned too (true for both beta+live, however I'm not sure how consistant it is)
• When I disconnect my Internet the moment I touch the water I can sometimes get invincible (Live only - reproducible??)
• One of my friends said one time she's invincible even with good Internet connection (Live only - I experienced this myself in 0.10.2)
  

[elfin raft]

Oh my god why are there SO many juggler cape people in my homespace? Like literally everyone has one and they all are wearing owl hair

[stoic crow]

tfw beta-gen is chill and kind and even though slowmode is long it's worth it
(also hey didn't expect to see you here )

[peak token]

I wonder whats the new seaosn questgiver, is it a woman?

Anws the slowmo is nerfed 10 mins yo

[odd field]

i wish the girl in the middle will be the quest giver

[timber elk]

I cant wait to get my owl hair back when my recovery code is saved by CS

[oak berry]

the season questgiver looks like a child to me

[split sable]

I think the girl in the middle will be the questgiver...

[autumn halo]

I was lurking here for an hour and asked a single question- felt kinda attacked tho - but other times I’ve been active everyone’s been kind so 🙂

[spark lance]

I also wanted to add; I’m so very happy to be helping you, ktjn, and everyone at tgc by helping find bugs! It means the world to help out my favorite game developers with their amazing game.

[random gull]

Dani can I send you a dm? nothing bad I just wanted to clarify something

[solar dragon]

Hello, everyone! Thank you so much for your patience and excitement for helping us test the Beta

[jolly stream]

Does anyone know when the new season begins?

[peak token]

||not related to beta but kinda miss Ktjns krill pfp ||

[final pike]

thanks to you Aeri and the rest of the team to make this happen! I'm excited to be able to beta test for the first time! :D

[spark lance]

Thank you Aeri! This is such an amazing experience, thank you so much Sending virtual hugs to you and the staff!!

[solar dragon]

^ We haven't yet revealed that detail, alas - but soon, obviously, since we just reset the Beta!

Soon™

[stoic glen]

Hype for new season- the infamous “soon”

[tidal raptor]

Same uwu

[slim kayak]

!whenisnextbetaupdate

[gilded parrot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/618885583330082836/723933779462455336/emoji.png

[summer abyss]

Can anyone help me I got the beta invite 10 hours ago and I still cant download it (I'm an android)
I kept trying the method explained in beta faq but it doesnt work 😭

[solar dragon]

Make sure to thank Ktjn too! She keeps the craziest sleep schedule to keep the Beta invites as fair as possible

[normal saffron]

wishing a very pleasant evening to tgc goodnight everyone

[solar dragon]

This Beta is largely possible because of Ktjn

[kindred belfry]

AHHH SO EXCITED!!! can’t wait to do my part 💞

[tropic radish]

Oh my, never seen that command for Skybot before

[vagrant heart]

Ktjn is what keeps the beta boat afloat. We all love her very very much for her hard work

[pastel kiln]

idk what to report- so far i havent stumbled on any bugs except the redcape moff one which im not even sure is a bug

[rustic imp]

people don't know if you report them. The reports are private between you and tgc

[solar dragon]

No, players don't see if they're reported by other players ever (we value your privacy!!)

[prisma swallow]

It is a bug, anything which should be functional or look a certain way in beta but does not is a bug

[lunar zealot]

May Ktjn and everyone get a good Sneep Snorp

[wispy venture]

Be patient, Google is really slow, I had to wait almost a month last time I joined beta, so please be patient and check beta time to time, that doesn't mean that you have to wait the same amount of time, but it could be available on a couple of days or more

[stoic crow]

bro you could've gotten on the next invite wave in that time

[spark lance]

almost a month??

[hardy dune]

them struggles are making me nervous.. i feel like i got in too easily and now i'm gonna get kicked out somehow

[slim kayak]

we often joke around that google likes to take naps when we need them, but yes, it can take a few days for google's system to catch up. the months of waiting was an issue that should be solved now

[sullen relic]

If you got in, just make sure you don’t hit “leave beta”, and you’ll be around for a couple of months at least

[deft belfry]

same, I'm a android and it sent me straight to download, its almost suspicious

[gleaming yacht]

checking the slowmode- edit: AH

[livid ice]

:,v

[feral pendant]

if you hover over the clock in the lower right, on the computer at least, you can see how long the slow mode is! (5 min!)

[summer abyss]

😭 feels like Google has separate invite waves on its own lolol I was so excitedddd

Can u clarify the change in android beta I read it but cant understand sorry

[random gull]

the android beta changed how it works if you read through #beta-faq again there were some updates

[pastel kiln]

patience 100

[wispy venture]

Yes, I checked beta every day but it took me 20 days to be able to download beta on playstore, I was a tester but the update in beta didn't come for me, I had to wait to the next update, I'm not saying that this is going to be the case for our new beta buds but be aware of it

[bright portal]

don't be pressured once you enter beta , all you have to do is play the game normally and test out the things listed in #beta-announcements , just enjoy the game and happy bug hunting

ps : you don't have to trouble yourself to find every bug possible! If you see any make sure to report them

[bright orbit]

I remember the last season a lot of Android beta spaces are still available due to Google purgatory

[opal junco]

so uh, I waited since yesterday and kept checking and still didn’t get in, it only says I gotta redeem a code

[lavish stump]

i was able to get a season pass today but it’s off season 🤧 what will happen to my season candles when the new season starts?

[viscid umbra]

ooh for the TS?

[peak token]

Me trying to active both live and beta

Assignments = bonjour im your best friend forever and ever, you cant cheat me with others

[spark lance]

Ahhh screw it, I’m gonna pull an all nighter, eat ice cream and hunt for bugs

[vagrant heart]

Don’t pull an all nighter! Sneep is important! The bugs will still be there for you to hunt in the morning! 🐛

[summer abyss]

Who loves the emoji responses?? Meeee

[spring sonnet]

How does one get the beta invites ping role?

[umbral canopy]

Question about TS in beta: how has it changed in beta this time?

[rustic imp]

beta invites role is in #beta-faq!

[stoic crow]

my dude one time i wrote #betalooking4group in emoji responses don't mess with me

[prisma swallow]

Oh boi, reaction spam

wow ↪️ is G

[haughty stream]

Can I ask a question? If I delete the beta app and then join later in later seasons, my account will still be the same right? Also congrats to all new members and old who got into beta!

[peak token]

Claws are popular towards reactions emojies

[rustic imp]

you keep progress as long as you have linked your account, rejoin with the same account, and there are no progress wipes

[daring gate]

Waves are gone is slowmode too? 👀

[feral pendant]

a little bit, it's only 5 min now :DDDD!

[rustic imp]

some slowmode will most likely stay, but the special long slowmode of beta invites time is gone

[spark lance]

d’aww, Alright! I’ll get some sneep Good night!

[graceful flicker]

HellO woRld
Im just awake from my short nap after a test-

[stoic crow]

slowmode is 5 minutes what else can i do sob

[pastel kiln]

im so sleepy- cant sleep tho did chat just die

[hardy dune]

i'm just too scared to say anything in case i have something more important to say after that but i have to wait patiently but then i'm in endless loop of doOM and i didn't actually have anything important to say anyway

[stoic crow]

has chat gone dead

[normal saffron]

gn gamers

[slim kayak]

when there isn't anything new to test, beta chat gets sleepy. although it happened way sooner than i thought it would

[short iron]

enough lurking for me time to vibe on some jojo ost

[small swift]

it's gonna get much more active when beta content gets released

[stark knot]

Everyone's busy stocking up on WL and getting hearts from Sanctuary and Ark

[sturdy grail]

It’s probably going to get more active when the season is available to test

[feral girder]

Oof yes

[atomic yoke]

I’m new and I’m lonely ;-;

[peak token]

alright gonna do my assignments, have a good day / night my fellow friends

[fiery sun]

Congrats to everyone who made it in do your best in bug hunting, ya'll

[gilded parrot]

bruh... talking about hacks and hackers is against the rules @maiden minnow

[south mirage]

Guys can you get in the store?

[sour flower]

You need to remember to sync your account for that to happen though, make sure this is done before you delete the app

[stoic crow]

i wish slowmode could be turned down to maybe a minute, it just feels too slow

[kindred bluff]

but what about.. DIY life hacks

[frosty crag]

[hollow compass]

If you mean that you are not seeing candle packs in the shop in the game, that is correct. Beta will only have specific IAPs for testing purposes. You can get the Starter pack and the Founder's pack (in the office).

[fathom river]

to my fellow testers/new testers who are also busy with work and other stuff. no need to pressure yourself to do a full run, you can just test the new stuff, send reports and feedback. it's not easy to balance the live and beta. more importantly prioritize your live acct because anything you stocked up on beta can easily be wiped out. hehe. just a reminder. see you on our bug hunting!!

[prisma lake]

Wow, I wake up late, the invitation wave is all over, right? There will be no more invitations this season?

[oak mica]

yes invites are all full now

[neat wadi]

Just a question cause Beta still confuses me-

do I link my account-

[visual island]

Anyone else unable to login at the moment?

Never mind

[spark lance]

Illegal in the world of sky

[agile cape]

And I don't really understand how anyone says the TS system is fair for both types of players. The present TS system can't make the player as free as the paid player, they still can't get the Ultimate Gift. Why is experience that deprived them of their rights fair? Even when the TS system is active, free players will always have to pick up items slower than paying players and also take random. They will never have an item LIKE paying players in terms of timing. The fact that someone thinks their property is devalued and only considers its value to be valuable does not consider other factors such as time and effort. The money to pay for the season pass can be paid for the whole time without waiting in suspense for the very things they have.

[elfin raft]

I already have 70 candles left,should I spend them on ts? I don't really plan on getting many seasonal cosmetics there tho

[silent lily]

If you like the Cosmetics then why not?

[sullen fable]

Does the traveling spirit in beta have any significance for the live version?

[slim kayak]

!tsbeta
the ones we are seeing in the next few days are for testing purposes only

[gilded parrot]

Traveling spirits appear in the beta version at the same time as live, so we don’t know any details in advance Check #news for announcements and save up your candles!

[peak token]

3 TS in a week in beta

[minor moss]

What's the orange cape with black trim (on the right side of the fourth row of capes)?

[hollow compass]

Those are the ascended capes, available in a cloud above the regular spirit's tree.They cost 3 x the original cape's cost.

[vital sentinel]

Congrast for new beta players! I hope you guys enjoy the game and dont forget to always report bugs/give feedbacks!

[royal elm]

is it just me or were there less invites this time around? or maybe they all just came when I was asleep

[balmy monolith]

im so mad i didnt get to became beta tester, the link wouldnt work even though i tried doing what the tips said but nothing. this sucks

[sour flower]

@agile cape and everyone else wondering the reasoning behind the decision of the TS, ktjn discussed this back in october and you can go to the message through here and scroll up and/or down to see all the messages she wrote explaining things further. I couldn't get the link to the messages through the app in my phone sorry

[hasty vessel]

the ts system was never meant to be a free for all system. jenova chen has mentioned this the team want to make it fair for players who feel like they have been shortchanged by buying the pass. keep in mind that the seasonal pass is the main way tgc receives capital from the game so if they have to appease the masses of players who do support the game at the sake of the few who don’t they will do that. remember they know their player base better than you do they know the numbers for p2p vs f2p and it could be that p2p players vastly outnumber f2p players. not that they should be silenced because of this but when you are outnumbered the majority rules this change has been made to help the masses of people who do not like the current system and also for the players who are shelling out a LOT of money to buy candle packs just for the ts. tgc isn’t depriving free players of anything, they can still farm for permanent items and they can experience the full game and all new seasonal content minus some cosmetics. Ad free and amazing graphics.

[glossy jetty]

[hollow compass]

Velvet, did you just ping Ktjn for a message that was posted in October?

[gleaming yacht]

They have the option to turn off the ping.

[royal elm]

yep! knew it, sanctuary and prophecy were 6 waves while this new season was only 5

[clear crystal]

Is the 15 mins slow mode gone

[agile cape]

If they wanted to do what they wanted, they wouldn't give the player an opinion. If so, we get an opinion. There are people who presuppose values, and taking it as evidence will entail me to attack those hypotheses. The presupposition is not bad, but it doesn't fit as a basis for reasoning and what I do is expose the hypothesis with something like it.

[vapid ingot]

Testing slowmode
-ok 5min-

[sour flower]

I turned the ping off. I just replied to the message and it doesn't show wether the ping is on or not, but no need to worry

[glossy jetty]

when the season of dream start in the beta?

[drifting atlas]

The season doesn't have a specific name for it, so maybe refer to it as "new season"?

[stark knot]

Is the issue with swiping while viewing constellations at home known? It's occurring in my live also. The header name stays the same, but the constellation changes.

[vital sentinel]

Season of minecraft manhunt

[odd field]

no one know the season's name yet so as of now do not listen to rumors.

[stoic crow]

did anyone have a bug where after collecting a spirit's emote you were stuck until you performed it twice? i've reported it but i thought i'd see if it was shared by others

[jade dirge]

Okay hear me out, what if they reveal the coming ts in the 3 moths of that pass acces, so players who will buy a pass knows what ts will they get? Right? Cause you dont know if the ts ur getting while buying the pass is worth it or not, i know its random but how about they pick the spirits? ILL SUGGEST THIS ON THE FEEDBACK

[hasty vessel]

i do agree! a ts schedule would be nice

[clear crystal]

You don’t buy pass for the TS...you buy pass for the season. That itself is worth it

[clever jetty]

ohhhhhh....that would be kinda weird a bit it may have bad sides who know

[stark knot]

I must be the world's worst chibi, can't even get into telekinesis room

[stark sundial]

this is an interesting idea but it will depend on when the announcement, it would have to at the end of a season? that would have to be added to MOTD or in the description of the ap in-game imo

[muted canopy]

the what room?

[agile cape]

When I say dummy money, I mean there are players who think their value on a game item is definitely its real value without being proven. The value of the Pass can be fluctuated and not fixed, that's not surprising. Anyway, money is also an object to exchange, but for what it depends

[alpine field]

Do you need help getting in?

[tiny breach]

A while back like two ish months ago I suggested some sort of in game (or discord or other platform) voting structure where players can choose between two or three TS choices. That can also be a nice way for f2p players to still have some control over the travelers and also allow p2p players decide if they want current pass or not

[fossil grove]

It’s just bad practise to have a free feature then start charging for it. It’s almost like they’re giving us a taster and getting us addicted and then forcing us to pay for more. Not a fan

[tribal wind]

So ts will be for AP? or we don't know it yet?

[sour flower]

I remember this suggestion!

[hasty vessel]

sorry what are your arguments against a ts schedule? that way you know exactly what you’re “farming” for as a way to avoid wasting time for a ts you have no interest in... i’m talking about generally, nothing to do with the ap...

[drifting atlas]

The feature might get added to live, I mean, some tests on beta didn't even make it to live

[oak mica]

is fb login unavailable at the moment

[stark knot]

Maybe tomorrow, thanks, gone up vault at least 5 times today and it's time for snorp

[livid ridge]

How to know if there is a hacker in Beta? Im kinda new in beta so i need some tips for this

[novel cedar]

is there a list of banned/unattainable cosmetics in beta so i know when i see a hacker?

[sudden flower]

If we had a TS schedule, how would they schedule it to be fair? People whose favorite TS gets scheduled far away would definitely complain, and if it was about majority vote then people who like the less popular TS would get shafted... at least if it's random it's, well, random, and TGC doesn't have to bear all the blame.

also, seeing how a TS got delayed before, it seems like which TS comes back may change on short notice (idk if it's entirely random) so TGC might not be able to schedule them in advance

[jade dirge]

When this system gets released in live, not all people are gonna want the pass just for the season itself theres gotta be a 00.001 percent of people out there that only wants a certain ts to comeback and itll be unfair to make it random cause, what if the ts you like is not gonna be in that season? And you bought the pass just for the sake of that ts to comeback, unfair right, it sounds so ridiculous but im sure people like that exist cause of the system, its also needed to be fair considerate and what i mean by that is what if now you did not bought the pass, you don't have the money anymore u spent it from that prev season which the ts yr looking for didnt show up then this season started, the ts uve been waiting for arrived, now you dont have the monies to buy a pass, that'll be a big regret

[hollow compass]

Anyone wearing deer mask, ultimate umbrella and possibly the furry white Gratitude cape.

[grave charm]

isnt it fine to hack beta lol

[vital sentinel]

Does bonfire ultimate gift exist in beta?

[frozen sonnet]

are all of the seasons active on the beta

[tribal wind]

So guys, what to you think about the ts being for AP? (Please respect each other, let's keep this friendly)

[late tulip]

Do we lose our complete cosmetics after a wipe?

[slim kayak]

Yes! Bonfire exists. We had to test it when it came out. That was fun having giant bonfires at home

[fervent hatch]

So the candle costs of ts will be much cheaper too. Since premium items are free. I farm candles to prepare for ts. I know it's good for AP user but that's just frustrating to F2P players. And what do we do with our candles?

[drifting atlas]

• Gratitude ultimate gift (Deer mask)
• Lightseeker ultimate gift (Bio-lumi Umbrella)
• Dismiss spirit from Gratitude (Garuda mask, Fur cape and emote)

[sour flower]

I think in that case the safest bet would be to wait until the TS is announced to buy the pass (if you're only interested in the TS and not the season of course). That way you don't spend the money in advance for nothing

[agile cape]

The TS system doesn't have to be always free, doesn't mean it shouldn't be. We are not just thinking about what is for what to do, but also about how it will become.

[livid ridge]

And here we go about the traveling spirit problem again
sip tea

[jade dirge]

Heres my suggestion, keep all the ts free, (they dont need a pass) BUT ONLY PUT AP GATES ON THE SPIRITS THAT HAS THE ULT REWARDS? That seems fair?

If the quest givers will.comeback as ts, that'll be my suggestion

[amber delta]

It's not good at all, to give us the possibility to unlock the costumes and then restrict them is a deceitful move. Still needing the pass to buy the ultimate gifts yes. But here not!

[clear crystal]

The TS wasn’t meant to be free according to the devs so I don’t really know

[tranquil coral]

Will hackers get banned?

[hollow compass]

No, you can have the Dismiss emote, but not the cosmetics for some reason. I have 2 levels of the emote, but I think we were never able to finish that season or it was reset many times.

[tribal wind]

Ultimate rewards don't come as a ts tho

[hasty vessel]

the items are behind a pay wall during a current season? you are encouraged to buy a pass for those items. the only thing that’s changing is that pay wall staying there when the item returns through ts

[hardy dune]

Any sense in having the TS just remarkably cheaper for AP holders? I mean yeah f2p can still get everything but you actually gotta farm my boy. I don't personally care either way, but f2p seems to feel bit hurt right now.

[timber elk]

I feel like the pass lock/gate just doesnt work with how spaced out each TS from the same season is. But I don't know what it could be replaced with

[grave charm]

i thought i saw a suggestion the other day that says cheaper ts for ap holders while the f2p just continue to grind

[drifting atlas]

Still, buying pass for a spirit that only arrives for 4 days instead of a season that could last 2 and a half months seems kinda like a "no thanks, sis ✋ ". It's worth it for the season
(5 minute cooldown go brr)
Also, to answer @hollow compass, Dismiss didn't come as a TS on Beta and Live, how did you get the emote? On live, for the season, yes

[sudden flower]

Then I think people whose favorite TS comes back at the end of a season would complain since they only get the TS item for the price of the pass vs a player whose favorite TS came at the beginning of the season, who would get the whole season + all the TS during it

even if I'm not that interested in a season, I'll still want complete it if I'm getting a pass (like if someone gifts it) anyway

Also having AP-gated ultimates don't work since then you'd be getting the past ultimate + the whole current season for the price of one pass and can still collect the non-ults for free?? Which is unfair to veterans who paid the whole price of the previous season for that season and its ultimate.

[slim kayak]

Blep was a beta tester from 2018 iirc.

[gleaming pagoda]

where did boat man go

[agile cape]

There are many ways to make things fair, do not think that only the TS key is fair, or that it is completely free to be fair. We can allow those who have a pass to get things without spending candles and those who don't have it as usual

[dapper nova]

I think someone said this before, but I like the idea
Basically some items are behind AP but still need to be purchased with candles/hearts, so it'll appear like maybe 50%(maybe? Or less?) cheaper for the current seasons AP holder and normal price for non AP holder?
Both side would still need to grind to get the items they want, I think it's kinda fair

[fervent hatch]

That would be the best they can do. Don't cuckold f2p man.

[livid ridge]

Well you guys can give feedback about the traveling spirit in #beta-feedback though just let them know

[craggy karma]

Anyone who has more than 11 wedges is considered hacked?

[sour flower]

I remember ktjn said this decision is being considered because instead of spending $10 for the TS, people are spending dozens. They want to save players some cash even at the cost of them losing money. She said most people getting things from TS actually buy candles (vs grinding and getting the TS stuff for free)

[radiant raft]

I agree with having F2P players buy cosmetics the traditional way while those with APs can have it as it is, either way make sure to give feedback in #beta-feedback!

[grave charm]

so like free for ap holders and usual price for f2p?

[hollow compass]

The way it has been lately, I think we've only ever had one TS in between seasons. So not having the AP wouldn't really be much of an issue, because we're either in the season or there is a pre-order for the next one. So, the main issue would be not being able to afford the AP, which can be argued back and forth as a possible injustice or not depending on your viewpoint regarding ftp games with IAP.

@drifting atlas I played the season. I just told you that... 😉 Gratitutude and Rhyth, (formerly Winter) were reset and tested many times in beta, so some old players may have certain odd items (like the Rhythm ultimate hair, which wasn't ultimate from the start).

[low geode]

perhaps you don’t have the disposable income to be spending on an app if your enjoyment of the ap hinges on taking things away from others

[hasty vessel]

^^^^^ say it louder

[clear crystal]

“It was designed as a catch up feature, not getting the items for “free”. You need the current pass to get the past season items.”

-from seraph

[prisma swallow]

So you're suggesting f2p players should simply be glad that they're not restricted to the moth outfit? This is a very capitalist point of view, don't you think?

I'm responding not to Archangel but to 5hinee

[fathom river]

and if you think about it. they were originally locked in ap back in their season which is actually paid by real money. and being locked again. tgc is actually amazing giving some cosmetics for free, and this amazing game with no ads. like bruh.

[stark sundial]

Archangel is supporting f2p players... I think :v took me a minute to get it

[opaque halo]

pls stop arguing if ur gonna argue, do it through dm to eachother

[sinful vale]

What doea f2p mean?

[hollow compass]

Tbh, I don't understand why you're all trying to convince each other to change opinions. This argument will never be settled. Leave your thoughts in #beta-feedback and respect that not everyone looks at things the same way you do.

[north lodge]

Does an AP in beta need to cost candles? :v

[lilac mountain]

Free to play

[sudden flower]

This is kind of a tangent but I feel like the core of Sky was meant to be people / community (based on TGC's previous games, I think that's what Jenova Chen always wanted)

But they needed some way to keep players in the game + profit and it's hard to quantify like... friendships or something (the shepard system may be a step toward that though) in a good way, so hence cosmetics.

And I feel like we players (but also TGC..?) have gotten a little too caught up in the cosmetics part? This happened to me too, at first I didn't care about cosmetics at all but then the FOMO and status-symbol effect of certain cosmetics got to me

Anyway yeah, I just wish there was a way to keep players engaged without combat / competition / ranking like many other MMOs or relying on cosmetics maybe if TGC had the resources to release new areas and challenges often but growing a studio takes money too and we're back to the beginning

[thin shell]

I still don't agree to this new ts system. Grinding for candles every day is hard already

[clear crystal]

Who’s arguing? People are just giving their opinions...this is beta discussion afterall...you are meant to discuss

[low geode]

sorry for the wonky wording

[prisma swallow]

If your definition of enjoyment is gatekeeping certain items from players who don't have enough money, I'm sorry for you man. I didn't wanna say this such a blunt manner, but it seems I have to

[drifting atlas]

People have their own opinions on the new TS feature, so let's just settle this down. Go to #beta-feedback if you want that to be released to live or no.

[fervent hatch]

Next up on TGC's list

AP lock all the previous season places

[zealous aurora]

F2p players have to pay ts items with thei effort and time. The candles they use to get items is much more than ap holders. I am an ap holder myself but i want f2p players to own costemics from past seasons without spending money. These were nit given for 'free'.

[jolly narwhal]

No💙 lol (to geezilla)

[jade dirge]

Then I think people whose favorite TS comes back at the end of a season would complain since they only get the TS item for the price of the pass vs a player whose favorite TS came at the beginning of the season, who would get the whole season + all the TS during it

even if I'm not that interested in a season, I'll still want complete it if I'm getting a pass (like if someone gifts it) anyway

Also having AP-gated ultimates don't work since then you'd be getting the past ultimate + the whole current season for the price of one pass and can still collect the non-ults for free?? Which is unfair to veterans who paid the whole price of the previous season for that season and its ultimate.
@sudden flower

About the last part, then this current live ts system we have would be unfair too, veterans pay the pass to get the items and then after a few months, new players will get it free with just candles right, but the only thing not unfair about it is yes the ultimate they have

[crude crystal]

if the new ts system is applied, i think tgc should tell us whats the upcoming ts first🧐

[sour flower]

You can send your thoughts and ideas to #beta-feedback

[prisma swallow]

'will get it free with candles right', ummm... no. Do you get money by spending no time at your job? No, right? Time is more equivalent to money than you think it is.

Sky is a game about giving and kindness, not deriving pleasure by first gatekeeping certain items from a certain group of people and then later flexing on them.

[thin shell]

I don't see the current live ts system as unfair. As an AP holder, I would love to see f2p players wear what I have. Also are 4+ months of exclusive cosmetics not enough for you? F2p dedication to grind their effort to the game seems to be ignored.

[opaque halo]

what does f2p mean

[hasty vessel]

some you are completely missing the point.... there are a MAJORITY of players wasting a lot of MONEY buying candle packs to reach the ts spirit cosmetics the new system PREVENTS that.

[lilac mountain]

Free to play

[tribal wind]

I low-key hope it doesn't get applied. I was planning on buying the pass for the next season but I wouldn't mind if other people were able to get the same for free after a few months. They waited patiently and they worked hard to get the candles for the stuff they want, I admire that determination and having been in the place of the one player who once couldn't afford AP then I cannot say yes.
If you get jealous because someone has worked to get the same stuff you have then maybe sky isn't the game for you

[jade dirge]

Did tgc said that ult will comeback as ts? Or is that just my imagination

[toxic spruce]

Well that’s their choice to pay while f2p ppl made the choice to grind

[slim kayak]

The devs are trying a new system to decrease the grind becuase grinding for candles everyday for hours isnt sustainable, along with many just spending money on candle packs. Is this system perfect? No, definitely not. I don't like it either. But the devs are trying something to address those two issues. Remember to leave feedback in #beta-feedback and keep it constructive

[clear crystal]

@jade dirge I remember they said they are finding a way to bring it back(possibly through IAP)

[sour flower]

"While I can't go into exact numbers, the vast majority of people who obtain items off Traveling Spirits spend $ to do so. They don't grind for those items. So think about how much $ in candles that is. Per spirit x6 per season. Our design decisions are based on data from the entirety of the playerbase. They vote with their wallets."

-ktjn

[prisma swallow]

That is again a personal decision, very similar to buying the AP. Players are well aware that no cosmetics affect the core gameplay aspect of Sky. So the only reason someone buys a last-minute candle pack is because they can

[thin shell]

It's not our problem if players are wasting their money to rush a cosmetic.

[hasty vessel]

ITS TGC’s problem which makes it your problem because you play the game! they actively want to stop this and will continue to try out different methods until it sticks.

[ancient cobalt]

I've already sent my feedback and all that, so my comments are just food for thought

One major issue a friend of mine brought up in terms of this change - 10$ USD is, in some countries, equivalent to a month's worth of gas money. It's incredibly pricey - sure, there's people who buy lots of candle packs because they don't have the time to grind or didn't feel like it, but you're not going to see those people from every corner of the world. For many, TS are the only way they can justifiably get these cosmetics - by waiting sometimes up to a year for one to come back (like Gratitude).

Even if a "majority" of players are buying candle packs to finish off TSes, it's their decision to do so regardless of the reasoning - and to take the option away from F2Ps to grind because of P2P's personal financial decisions comes across unfair. I've seen people buy out an entire season on the first day, but that doesn't mean everyone has that kind of disposable income.

Though grinding does get boring, there's not a whole lot else to do ingame otherwise.

That's just me though, and like I said I've already submitted my feedback so it's just food for thought

[wheat pumice]

Maybe they don't want to be greedy with their players that's why they make those decision to look forward to and make players feedback. I guess.

[tribal wind]

People choose to spend their money, just because some use money then it doesn't mean that some people don't farm. Plus there are a lot of people who are still in school and can't afford to spend real money

[silent lily]

If people know Cosmetics don't affect the core gameplay then why do the same people complain when they can't get a few Cosmetics?

[worthy tulip]

Morning everyone, man I'm loving how cute all the buff moths are

[drifting atlas]

To be honest, they don't have to buy candle packs just for the TS, it's just gonna repeat for the next 2 weeks or so, they gave 2 weeks, which is enough time to get at least 100 candles before it arrives

[jade dirge]

@jade dirge I remember they said they are finding a way to bring it back(possibly through IAP)
@clear crystal

Then they should just settle this current system and just have limited packs of candles with ult rewards on them, they should change every 3 weeks or so for rotation and

If they want to reduce candle running times, they should just lower the price of the ts, if u guys think this system is already balance, they should just minimize and simplify it

[shell bolt]

The best and fairest solution I have heard of to this new problem is - make the AP locked left side not free with a pass- but rather discounted. For non AP holders, the left side items are still the same usual price (ranging from 18,30,75). And for AP or Pre-order holders- it’s like 50% or something. This gives a fair chance to all. AP people can save time for candle running at the cost of real money. And F2P players can have a chance to get past seasonal AP locked items at the cost of time and effort.

[sour flower]

Not everyone has the time to farm candles though they rely on spending money if they want to get those things from the TS

[near drift]

Hoho the Ts debate is still going on

[dapper nova]

That's what I said earlier and 1 person reacted smh

[dapper ginkgo]

Hey everyone! How the bet-
sees topic about TS system
I’m... just gonna go...

[fervent hatch]

If they really care about the daily grind of candles they should just add an autofarm pets feature to two realms daily.

[thin shell]

Just make it that the left side of the TS tree is free for the AP holders and charge normal candles for the non-AP holders. Problem solved. Both parties win.

[zinc prawn]

Remember to put these ideas in #beta-feedback so TGC can read all the suggestions!

[clear crystal]

@jade dirge agree, days of candle running is hardly free

[elfin raft]

So I was going through the cheerful spectators' memory and the gauge autofilled when I only got through the half of the memory
Bug?

[agile geode]

I feel like you guys have been talking about the TS problem over and over, like, when you reach you conclusion, you just restart the whole argument about it

[prisma swallow]

Let's get this straight. TGC is a private company and they do care about money (maybe they care about their player base more but they still want money). I'm not saying they're being money-hungry here, but if you think this change is because too many people are spending $$ on candle packs, then that's most likely the last reason why it's happening.

[wheat pumice]

I really like this idea. Have you sent it to the beta feedback? ❤️

Becoz, I'm too tired grinding candles. But I have no choice but to CR becoz I love those and I won't let them sad.

[toxic spruce]

Mmmm that sounds like ubers

[jade arch]

You got a point 👍🏻😮

[spark lance]

send this to #beta-feedback since it's a good idea

[odd field]

autofarm big brain

[fathom river]

I'm busy with work so I can't do full run. i mostly let my friend drag me or yes, I buy candles. because not everyone has the time. but at the end of the day hope it gets resolve which is agreeable to the majority/players

[sour flower]

Ktjn said that was a reason, it seems like it wasn't the only reason because I remember hearing people sent feedback about grinding for TS being stressing also? But from what I can gather, sending feedback is important and they're willing to test this out in beta and see how everyone reacts before implementing (or not) the new system in live

[thin shell]

Remember that there are f2p players who rely on the current ts system by grinding everyday just to get the item they want.

I myself as an AP holder have a hard time grinding for ts but I don't want this to happen.

[wheat pumice]

I'm referring about the traveling spirit. Hehe, forgot to put it. Candle running makes nowadays hussle.

If this thing could implemented the way you said, it would made me more happy so that I have time to chitchat with my friend in sky.

[drifting atlas]

The beta's great, pretty hard to get a full server for 8 player door though, let alone 2 and 4 player doors

[dapper ginkgo]

Every. Debate. Is like this. Look at us on a 5 minute slowmode now. I do hope the chat to calm down a bit so we don’t get another 30 minute slowmode again...

Still I thought we calmed down about this. I guess when it comes to real life currency it does get heated in here. But I do hope we can calm down a bit in here.

A reminder to send all feedback and suggestions to #beta-feedback. Just please keep it constructive.

[jade dirge]

•Make the ts branches FREE for pass holders
•make the ts branches priced for non pass holders / with lower price so that cr runs will be minimized

For the Future ult reward returns
They should just return as IAP with candles packs in them

Thats my suggestion

[shell bolt]

✨✨✨✨
Thank you guys for putting it so perfectly. I’ve already sent my discount idea to feedback - for all those who suggested I do.

[stark sundial]

I just wanted to say that the ts coming in Dec 8th have only one AP locked item and is pretty low in the tree, I hope it remains like that but I'm curious if is gonna change or not

[fathom river]

i haven't run for a week now. i'm just waiting for my seasonal to be converted to normal candles hahahaha

[unique token]

guys i'm sorry for this random question but what's f2p?

[spark lance]

free to play

[azure spruce]

mini teaser ahead to show what spirit is gonna be up for ts? so that ts enthusiasts would know if the money's worth it just for the ts

if ever this would be implemented... who knows right?

[spark lance]

of people like your idea that you've putted here, don't forget to send it to #beta-feedback

[drifting atlas]

Anyway um, for you guys who don't wanna be involved in this TS thing, how's things in beta?

[agile geode]

(Please read it all so you don’t spam me with negative reactions) I don’t think ult rewards should come back (at least as they are now). They’re a sense of accomplishment, and by that logic they should have no problem bringing back the beta cape, but they didn’t. The only good way to bring back ults is by giving em alternate colors, like instead of the orange deer with gold horns, it could be a blue deer with silver horns. See? Not that hard, an easy way to keep the sense of accomplishment while satisfying the cosmetic needs. We got the tgc cape so we could have our own version of the beta cape with slight changes, and it worked!

[hasty vessel]

this is the only game that i’ve seen where a f2p players have the advantage of gaining all seasonal items excluding the ultimates. p2p players have granted you that advantage and tgc have obviously noticed that imbalance. saying that supporting the game is at our discretion is a fallacy. p2p players should have an advantage and that is shown throughout all game models, i wouldn’t be surprised if the ts system was implemented in live. if you want that cool item, pay for it like everyone else had to

[low geode]

wonderful idea

[ancient cobalt]

Another minor thing before I disappear into the abyss (I should absolutely sleep):

There's a common argument saying people shouldn't be so concerned about cosmetics - but it's the main achievable aspect of the game! Spells are temporary repeated purchases, but the cosmetics are what bring a lot of people back. The proposed beta capes for veterans - 15-150 heart cosmetics. Your ultimate gifts for completing the main constellations are, well, more cosmetics.

It's totally normal to be invested in the cosmetics - after all, they're everything that's purchasable in the basegame and all the new purchasables in the seasons. It's not the only reason to play, no, but it's a huge portion of the game whether you personally are bothered about them or not.

So I guess what I mean is try to respect people's opinions about cosmetics and their importance! Off to the darkness I go!

[fathom river]

true. I've always wanted to be a wizard. and i did last halloween

[placid linden]

Fair enough, how many free players will keep playing the game once they notice there's no point in grinding since their time will give them no substantial rewards, eg. visual improvements to cheir character??

[sharp talon]

Maybe thats one of the many reasons why sky is unique! ...Everyone is equal!

[shell bolt]

Hahh, tbh I don’t want the ultimates back. Just my opinion. But I want to respect the veterans. No hard feelings here- like I’m myself a 3 month old player. But I just like the feeling of awe and amazement when I see someone with lightseekers ultimate (in live) . These players just have a different aura around them. And I don’t want that to be diluted

[hollow mortar]

They could increase the cosmetics price for free player, that would encourage them to buy candles or AP. But straight on putting cosmetics behind pay wall isn't right

[green swallow]

i think it’s strange to implement such a change to the ts system when f2p players already had the chance to get ap cosmetics

[azure spruce]

i wouldn't mind color changes, i just want hoot hair
i honestly agree that ultimate gifts are like trophies in my perspective
but it still would be nice if everyone gets a chance to obtain them again

[odd field]

i don't want ults to be back either. i started this game in the middle of enchantment and i am, up till now, adore vets with bonfire and other past ultimate gift. don't get me wrong, i don't mind either if they're gonna make a comeback in some possible ways that you guys have suggested . if they returned, i'll be happy to get one (gratitude deer mask is op)

[scenic summit]

Hmm...

[fervent hatch]

F2p do daily grinds because they want the items from the ts

Richpeople spends $$$ for candles because they have the money for it. It's just like ..why would I spend time grinding candles if I can just buy them with my money

I really see no problem with that?
I think TGC is just overthinking this whole situation

[night dawn]

I'm a f2p player,and i guess there're a lot of them who really want to purchase for the cosmetics but don't have or aren't allowed to use money due to a variety of age groups,but somehow I feel like putting the pass in TS is accurate tho,since a lot of people express their rude behaviour towards their unwanted TS

[thin shell]

Buying candles are the reason they're doing this new ts system

[stark sundial]

the beta cape was a completely different item that works differently and was given in exchange for something different in a completely different situation, don't compare a free item given to users who accepted the progress wipe and all the bugs of beta to something you have to pay 10 Bucks and play round 10 minutes daily (daily tasks) for a maximum of 55 days to get (note also that f2p also play around that time for the tasks and candles), I'm not saying one is more worth it than the other but that they are not really comparable

[fathom river]

i have this 10 year old friend who's a player ever since rhythm like bruh. I'm a baby sitter to a veteran. also, for me it's okay if the ults don't come back. it's the symbol of the season.

[spark lance]

only 5 invites this season?

also, are they testing() ultimates shop or are y'all just talking() about it?
(please react, idk how long the slowmode is)
okay! thanks!

[hollow bolt]

Please don’t reveal other people’s personal information

[worthy tulip]

With the ultimate gifts, I'd like to see what they are return but not be exactly the same as the ultimate before. Like for example, how there are two umbrellas with one being ultimate and one not. Vets would still get to keep the elite version of the items but people, like us android players who didn't get a chance to, could then access the items too (I'm thinking more along the lines of the functioning cosmetics, like the bonfire) I hope that makes sense

YOO SLOWMODE IS SMALLER

[placid linden]

The only reason I started buying AP is because I thought it was a good way of helping TGC even if I knew I could still get a substantial amount of cosmetics from the TS just by being F2P. If they continue on with this new AP system, I know for a fact if I ever stop buying the AP I might aswell quit the game since I'll have lots of candles from farming and nothing to do with them.

[hollow mortar]

That's why I'm saying increase cosmetics price. That would make people buy AP and candles but allow f2p to buy cosmetics, just increase the price

[pulsar blade]

We can skip collections of items and focus only on the time of the item we really want. Having all the things in sky will just be boring. Just a thought

[hasty vessel]

@placid linden do you k ow the numbers of f2p players? for tgc to have suggested this change shows that P2P players are the MAJORITY hard out grinding is toxic and have created this type of environment within the player base where there is such a huge split between different players, tgc know the numbers better than us, better to not make assumptions?

@hollow mortar tgc have actively mentioned that they want to STOP unnecessary purchases of candle packs for TS so no.

@spark lance to get the item quickly? it’s to experience the whole entire season while it lasts, the cosmetics are only a bonus to the experience of the season and that’s where you’ve mixed up what actually matters in the game.

[night dawn]

Or maybe keeping the old price but giving a discount to P2P players?

[astral salmon]

the cosmetics are only a bonus to the experience of the season and that’s where you’ve mixed up what actually matters in the game.
to you!! some of us also like to grind for cosmetics

[clear crystal]

@night dawn actually...make it free because I don’t want to candle run

/s

[fathom river]

true. i've been playing since february and haven't finished any const. i'm like "ohh i'm gonna look cool in this" but oops this ts is cool too. and then this become my ultimate goals to keep me playing. (and sky also helps me with my anxiety)

[brave topaz]

Is This DebaTe StiLl gOinG oN mY gOd

[wind dawn]

Maybe alternate between ap locked and normal ts?

[azure spruce]

make it free for passholders and keep the same price for f2p
but no ap locking

[oak berry]

Ah, I think I'm gonna take another break from beta general

[bitter wigeon]

Sky does really help you a lot in mental aspect.

[worthy tulip]

Okay but one thing, predictions for the area that the new season may be based in? I'm betting Valley because of the colours in the teaser pic plus it's gonna be over Christmas, snowy season ftw I'm getting my skates on

[limpid frigate]

Honestly the best suggestion is that one, for pass holders is free but for non pass holders players, using candles. I think it's the only way to make everyone satisfied.

[hollow mortar]

What do they want then, you can't buy cosmetics because you're f2p player, you have to buy AP but should also experience whole thing?

P2p may be majority but they're are still lots of f2p players who will definitely stop playing after this as there's nothing to do

[tribal wind]

Yall, discussion is fine as long as we keep it friendly. No being mean, just friendly sharing opinions

[fallen forum]

yes P2P mode in game! can we have this mode added please? winner get to choose a cosmetic from loser XD

[opaque halo]

no

[hasty vessel]

the current farming method is toxic, TGC has mentioned it cou less times and they are trying to implement ways of softening the blow farming for 2-3 hours a day isn’t healthy. yes farming for items is nice and it feels rewarding but how it is currently? no

[prisma lake]

That kind of competition will make the mood worse and become violent and angry.

[pulsar blade]

Whose 2 yrs ild beta player here. Or 1.5 yrs beta. Or live

[spark lance]

i think the ts prices should generally go down, not only for AP holders. that's kinda.... pay to win.(?) i generally don't like the idea of items being locked.

[astral salmon]

but then the hat for example would be osting 70 candles??? thats even more than before?
i think the best thing would be :

for AP owners, the trees and price are as they are in the new system, and for non AP owners, the trees look the same but with no AP-locked items and every item has the current (Live) prices!

so AP owners have a huge discount, but it doesnt put a pay-wall on F2P! what do you think?

[placid linden]

Better not make assumptions you say? Better not think at all then, I guess? This a family friendly game with many underage players, how do you keep young players interested in a game if there's no notable progress? If you want to keep people happy and invested in your product you need to give something back in return. If there are in-game collectibles and in-game currency, what's the point of having most of the rewards locked under IAP wall?

[thorny jay]

not trying to start a whole argument but what fuller experience do ap players have other than cosmetics? I ran to the trials right after reset with my f2p friends and we all enjoyed them and really the only aspect I had access to that they didn't was cosmetic. It plays a pretty big part in the season
Tell me how we're missing the point I genuinely do not understand?

You can make the argument that we buy the pass to support the team but I don't understand what fuller experience you're having that isn't involving cosmetics?
Again, just trying to understand. Maybe other seasons were different from prophecy? Maybe I just read the whole post wrong?

[azure spruce]

i'll probably just agree to anything that doesn't have pay-wall so everyone gets a chance
just want hoot hair real bad

[thin shell]

I like the idea that TGC wants to control players on their IAPs.
I don't like the way they'll implement this idea. Yes they controlled them, but it will affect F2P players the most. Those who spend on IAP still has money to buy AP, but F2P players, they don't.

[mint acorn]

f2p don’t generate money for tgc. remember that it’s a business before it’s a game. it has to make money

[worthy tulip]

Also with this debate it's been said Ktjn said TGC will actually lose more money over this change. They're just trying to find a way to keep it fair for the old players

I don't think money is the factor here

Source: #beta-discussion message

[fathom river]

true. when I was a new player. I don't know about this grinding candles thing. i feel so rich with my 10 candles. I would just glide and goof off somewhere, fly with manta. float in the clouds, it was a magical experience without having the thought of going through every realm just to farm. imagine spending a picnic at the sanctuary. enjoying the game without the pressure of having little candles.

[opaque halo]

dis too hectic for me, see u guys tomorrow or when this conversation cools down

[limpid frigate]

The ap doesn't give any other thing that more cosmetics because then the system will become pay to win. That's why.

[hasty vessel]

is there not a plethora of free permanent items that the average person would take around 6 months of pure gameplay to accomplish? is there not free seasonal items and the full seasonal experience to play through? are there not more permanent items pending? what are you talking about? there are many underage players yes and the fact that they can experience all of this without throwing a dime at the game is exceptional, don’t forget that there is more to this game than cosmetics and it’s the battle of cosmetics that will be the ruin of this game. TGC are trying to fix that?

[clear crystal]

I think sky kids complaining about skykids debating in beta general discussion hasn’t been here before or new here. It’s always been debate here all day long

[fiery reef]

everyone is bringing up good points and now i feel bad about my own opinion im gonna go take a break from beta chat for a bit, be nice to each other

[hollow mortar]

That's why I said to increase price for f2p player that would make the money, just don't put cosmetics behind pay wall, as there will be no reason for f2p players to play

[zealous aurora]

I have many f2p friends. They might not add monetary contributions to TGC but they add a lot to my overall enjoyment of the game. Without them, sky is a less enjoyable.

[brave topaz]

Everyone deserves a chance to get seasonal items... Consider the pass as an early excess to the seasonal items for the paying players. It makes complete sense... If you pay of course you're going to gain early acess to the seasonal items(ie within the season itself). That's how most games work. They offer a pass. There's a free road and a paid road. The paid road contains a few exclusive items(like the ultimates here) but the free to plays also get a chance to gain most of the seasonal items after the current one ends. That's how passes work in general. So locking out the TS items behind a paywall is just a terrible idea.

[spark lance]

i think the general opinion about this is that we dont really care about what TGC gains or looses. it's about the money that some of us can't use. some people collect cosmetics from TS and this will just ruin their hobby.

[thorny jay]

I was replying to azaura, Maybe I should have put it in a reply or pinged them specifically this part
" to get the item quickly? it’s to experience the whole entire season while it lasts, the cosmetics are only a bonus to the experience of the season and that’s where you’ve mixed up what actually matters in the game."
I can't understand what they're trying to say

[agile geode]

(Again, read what i have to say before giving negative reactions) Okay here’s what I’ll say about the TS problem,
TS Spirits were never meant to be a way of getting free seasonal cosmetics, it was a way for new players to catch up, tgc could’ve left the seasonal items to never come back, but they didn’t. Thats something to be thankful for, HOWEVER, I think APs should only be bought for the pendant and ults, and maybe a discount on traveling spirits. New players should have the chance to at least collect normal seasonal cosmetics, nothing should be locked. Sky is losing money and still getting negative feedback. Believe me, as an old player the TS system is already fair, and you should send feedback to them, because before you know it, f2p players will lose every good thing about the game.

[agile cape]

Yes, there's nothing that proves people play just for the skin but obviously there are a lot of people who play for that. And the more change is not necessarily the TS key in the pass. As I said, it is possible to not charge a product fee to someone who already has a pass and keep the price of the candle for those who do not. Why choose to be all free or lock in?

[mint acorn]

i know the solution. tgc should make more ultimate items instead of just 2. the pass would feel more exclusive.

[spark lance]

This might trigger a lot of people but i like what TGC is trying to do.

[worthy tulip]

But people do get seasonal items for free. There's a selection of them which are available to everyone to get if they gather enough seasonal candles. The adventure pass gives access to the rest of them sorry I might of misread what you meant

Also @spark lance Yeah I get that, I don't agree with the change either I just wanted to make a point since some assume TGC is doing this for their own pocket

[last pond]

Don't mind this passing comment but, can anyone give me a summary of this debate? It's been a while since I used Discord and I'm very lost. Thank you Q-Q

[limpid frigate]

Referring to the people reacting with "no" Can you PLEASE say something? Give us your opinion because reacting with a no doesn't contribute anything.

[thorny jay]

It's the same debate thats been going on for two days and will continue for two more, just read the next 5 messages and you'll get the gist

Whether or not Traveling spirits should include some cosmetics that are locked behind adventure passes or not

[hasty vessel]

in short if you support a game financially you should get more out of the game, whether it’s exclusivity or something else entirely that’s how currency works. i never said that i was all for this new system but it’s a step in the right direction for preventing illogical spending on candle packs to complete a ts spirit tree

[astral salmon]

f2p play the game. its totally enough. not paying doest make them less important to the game. thats how games work. financed by those who pay. but f2p are a mass community and its important not to devaluate their impact

[placid linden]

I'm talking about how the Seasons are mostly an IAP experience and the TS are a catch-up or alternative for players who couldn't pay for an AP or just missed out on this season. The exclusivity of the AP comes with the Ultimate Gifts, the same way the Elder Hairs come from the achievement of completing respective realm constellations. I understand your point about the realm cosmetics and how they are available for free, it's a valid point but why take away the excitement of TS from F2P players also? If anything, the ''free'' TS (not free btw, have to spend time to grind candles) will keep F2P players more active and more invested in the game. You speak of toxic situation in the community but I don't see F2P complaining about the current TS items being accessible to them, it's mostly the P2P players who are complaining about these grinds. TS & Seasons are the only reason to keep playing this game, 1 for F2P and the other for P2P.

[tacit crescent]

I asked about the access wipe a while ago and Mirian replied. But I have another question on it; when an access wipe occurs- will I need to continuously enter beta with a link or can I stay as a beta tester without the worry of not getting in on time?

[dense forge]

I dont really like the new need pass thing cause some different countries have like different price tags and my self are in the expensive cost like 1 pass already 100+ idr

[tribal wind]

they reply with "" but they can't actually argument if they have already said something a few minutes ago lol.

Also, saying my opinion, they should give AP users the items for free while f2p can still buy those with candles.
The items being free will encourage people to buy the AP without them feeling like it's forced on them.
If they put the ts items behind a pay wall will only make people upset and they will stop playing the game.

[dense folio]

E e e I got beta

[spark lance]

By implementing this, they might lose their F2P player base. Which is a huge chuck. I think the system is fine the way it is.

[agile cape]

If everyone is interested in balance, why are too few people emphasizing on dropping TS candles if there is a pass. Not on the discord, but out there, on other social media platforms. They always direct readers to either keep the old system or completely lock the item into the pass. There are many people who think that this is dev's idea or intentionally manipulate others by giving insufficient, incomplete information about the options. It causes people to think of only two ways without considering other options.

[spark lance]

@limpid frigate i can say why i react with no but everyone will go after me for saying that. But anyway, here goes nothing.

Look from where i see it. When i pay for the AP i want to feel i have something not many have. What's the point of having a cosmetic every body has? I know it sounds bad and selfish but this is real money I'm spending. You still get a lot of stuff as a free player tho.

[brave topaz]

Yes they do... That's the free road and paid road system I'm talking about. The only thing is after the season ends, the paid road becomes accessible by the non pass holders (except for the ultimates ofc) and that's how the game balances out the gap between f2p and p2p. Paywalling the TS is just enlarging this said gap. I really hope they cater for both player bases so that everyone is happy.

[limpid frigate]

If that's the way you think, I'm sorry to tell you, you are losing the whole point of the game and that behavior will eventually be toxic for yourself and others and btw, that's how sky always been, the ap doesn't give you exclusive cosmetics forever, its a way to access them earlier @spark lance

[unique token]

indonesian here! and yeah, putting on an average indonesian perspective, 100+ idr is quite expensive just for a single pass

[fervent hatch]

Hey guys. I had a dream. I saw an angel in my dreams. He said that I should tell this to TGC to prevent the chaos that's going to happen. He told me 3 things.

1. First he said to add a pet system to autofarm two realms daily to reduce the stress of grinding for candles.
2. Don't implement the planned AP lock system to TS's instead lower the prices for AP holders.
3. Don't listen to every complain because you can't please everybody.

Don't ignore the Angels' words.

[clear crystal]

Omg crazy!! I had the same dream

[astral salmon]

When i pay for the AP i want to feel i have something not many have. What's the point of having a cosmetic every body has? I know it sounds bad and selfish but this is real money I'm spending. You still get a lot of stuff as a free player tho.
@spark lance then you're not in the good game 🙂 sky is about sharing, not flexing on anyone

[vague haven]

pet system！！！！！

[hasty vessel]

no one is championing the exclusivity of their items though? i haven’t seen that mentioned by anyone here not even once so please stop trying to push that narrative all your doing is creating more tension between f2p and p2p

[placid linden]

@spark lance But you ALREADY get that exclusivity with the Ultimate Gifts, literally no one else gets UG except AP holders. Why do you want MORE exclusivity? This is the problem, the paying players who want to take away optons from F2P. Please remember F2P players will have to wait MONTHS to get access to the cosmetics from Season of Prophecy spirits, yes, MONTHS if not YEARS.

[gilded parrot]

Prophecy? WHERE?!

[dense forge]

Yes plus not everyone can afford accept hongkong I heard is 17 cents plus I'm still a child just selling art commisions just to get this profecy pass and not use it cause of damn exams T-T

[sharp talon]

I think i once saw a dev saying that the f2p base is larger but they introducing this system to cater to the grinding problem and the complaints of players buying candle packs. Also i remember the dev saying that gatekeeping is human nature but also unhealthy at the same time and hence gave an early form of this system to beta to gather opinion through beta feedback! Also it was mentioned they hear the voices of both the p2p and f2p regardless of strength and that one is not valued more over others even if they spent money in game

[tribal wind]

GUYS LISTEN UP. What if instead of putting AP they add a pet system where you can "hire" a crab to collect wax for you for the price of 70 hearts or real money if you want. (I'm saying 70 as a random price)

[agile cape]

I see people just around the issue of whether locking items to TS disrupts the benefits for whom and to whom. Whereas if someone buying a pass prevents them from having to farm a lot of candles, this effect is clearly more positive than not giving free players to get items. So allowing those with a pass to get things with a smaller number of candles clearly makes sense in spending a reasonable amount of candles. Why do you have to stick to the plan to completely lock the item. Because of some people's "exclusive" desire? I also say, there are people who worry that TS will bring seasonal items to players for free so they can't sell their sky accounts. There are people who benefit negatively from this option that we need to reconsider.

[spark lance]

By losing their F2P playerbase, they lose potentian customer which beats the purpose of what ever they're trying to achieve with the new system. I'm myself played for 8 months, played 7 months for free to test the game. And bought the adventure pass last month because I'm satisfied with my experience as a F2P player.

[mint acorn]

or you know. they can add a sky casino where you gamble with your hearts and candles. i’ve been suggesting this to tgc for a year now

[odd field]

i don't wanna sound harsh but you see, here tgc is waaaay different from some other company that puts money, as if "no pay, get less".

as far as i pity f2p players considering they're minors and some have financial problems considering their currency costs, i hope there'll be a solution to this. tgc seems to be in a tight spot on deciding regarding ts revamp so we need to help them with constructive critism as much as we can . i don't want tgc to follow after those money-grabbing games steps because i love sky : children of the light

[autumn elk]

In reality it is impossible to make everyone happy with any system.

TGC after testing the new system may decide put it to a vote where we can vote yes or no and a majority vote would decide.

whichever way it goes there are going to be complaints from one side or the other but at least it would have come down to a community vote and us as the player-base and then we can see where it goes from there.

[agile geode]

Actually, ultimate gifts are coming back, I disagree with the idea of them coming back as they are right now, but I do agree with the idea of giving them color changes if they come back

[spark lance]

@astral salmon not flexing on no one. Just shared my opinion and that's it. I feel like the majority of F2P players fail to understand that TGC NEEDS to make money because this is business. But oh well that's none of my business

[sullen oasis]

they're actually willing to lose profit tho.. because alot of players buy candle packs just for the TS ktjn has explained it before..

[azure spruce]

[maiden crescent]

complaints about grinding..? they're making the problem worse (i didn't know there was a 5 min slowmode) it doesnt fix the problem.. it just makes the non paying players spend time and energy grinding for items that are locked behind a paywall. so sad.

[clear crystal]

But how does the locking the item with an AP will fix the problem?

[limpid frigate]

Ah, yes more unhealthy suggestions. That would basically be like the gacha in the rpg games, it's not what anyone wants.

[brave topaz]

The thing is they said that this system is actually making a Loss to them. That plus the backlash from the community just proves how bad of an idea this is.

[copper hollow]

less grind.

[astral salmon]

it will fix it for those who can afford the pass, and might ruin the others' experience :(

[dense forge]

Well grinding gives you around 18 wax to 19 on the beta it's actually more and and thats suprising I know they are trying to make money just it's a little expensive T-T is the price is a little lower just a little that will be nice cause it's hard getting commisions

[spice mason]

Gacha games are predatory. A "Casino" type feature would definitely also be predatory.

[spark lance]

Yes, but F2P players is their potential customers. Business is not only about money, it's also about how to attract customers. No customers = No money. This new system they're testing could hurt their playerbase.

[agile cape]

Not all opponents of this option are free players, they can be paid players. But remember, it's not just the option of locking the items into the pass completely that can stimulate consumer demand. Allowing the pass holder to pay less candles than the one without pass can also stimulate the demand, why not pay attention to that?

[rigid oar]

Hey, beta moth here, any advice (except getting table/chibi mask asap)?

[mint acorn]

i meant you’re gambling against other players, not the system lol. like, sky poker or something like that.

[spark lance]

i think this new system disbenefits paid players as well. Cause it takes a way something for us to work towards

[copper bison]

make lots of friends!

[autumn elk]

gacha would only add pressure for people to make IAP to have a chance to get their desired item. Lootboxes/gacha would be an awful addition to the game. Its a form of gambling and can be very addictive and can cause people to make very bad choices.

[tribal wind]

Guys putting the items behind a pay wall will not fix the grinding, you still have to buy the 75 candle cosmetic before getting the other one so I don't see the point. Plus if they want to stop people from grinding then maybe they can do a change into the wax distribution in the realms. Maybe add another way to quickly (not fast but still, not 3 hours of grinding) earn candles

[frosty radish]

I wanna know does TGC plan that we should have SEASON PASS for us to purchase full items from coming TRAVELING SPIRITS or this is just for BETA

[odd field]

adding gacha or gambling or whatever you call it into sky will definitely ruin the atmosphere

[clear crystal]

@astral salmon it only favours the people who bought the pass while making a larger problems for those who did not?

I still fail to see how it’ll fix the problem

[jade dirge]

Add more plants or multiply the amount of wax to x2 or x3 then lower the prices of ts and spirits in general

[zenith rain]

When is the new season gonna be on beta? (I'm clueless to the topic so idk if there even will be a season)

[limpid frigate]

Not to mention that it's a family Friendly's game, a casino o gacha doesn't fit in this type of game...

[brave topaz]

HeLp Us O skybot tell us thou prophecy on what is to become of this gathering

[astral salmon]

try to play a bit after every update, thats basically almost all they need from you :)
if you want to collect every spirit, try to get the 8ppl puzzle spirit now as prairie is full of moths for a short while. after, its gonne be deserted and way harder to get the spirit

[dense forge]

Just farm full farm it will take you around 2 hours or if you are fast 1 hour also check youtube to get ruits to gain wax fast you able to get 18 wax if you farm all and dont have a TGC cape if you have make that 19 ( tip : eden also has it but a few )

Also rather gamble I suggest mini games cause well the story already end so quick so why not some mini games on the list like maybe pop balloons or catch hidden lights

[fallen forum]

Share how it affects you, not how you think some or many or most others will react

• I am F2P (Free to Play) player
• F2P != POOR, it just my preferred way to play the game (accumulate hard work, slowly, to get the stuff i want)
• I like existing TS system (not the new one in Beta)
• I don't mind if the TS cosmetics are expensive (as long as I am still able to get them by candles and hearts)
• I am fine if ultimate items not coming back, and can be only obtain by $

[spice mason]

You're suggesting a feature like this for a game played by children and adults alike? Mm.. no thanks. =÷=

It's not it, fam. Would just make for a VERY toxic atmosphere.

[reef light]

im just waiting for the season XD

[vague haven]

do you guys ever imagine what if one room could support more than 8 player？

[limpid slate]

I have question, i made a friend in beta using candle adding(they added me) but when i click into friend constellation they dont show up there but there is a red dot on the friend constellaiton button, is this normal or uhh a bug or i need to finish everywhere first? (Im a moth of beta) sorry i have a bad english

[agile cape]

And this system also affects the option of paying players. They have to pay for every season while not knowing if that TS is what they want or not. TS is random and if you want players to pay for the item, why not charge for each item? If this system was born just because people were stressed by the candle farming, now it makes people stressed by not liking a certain season but still having to buy its pass. And do you think that's positive?

[mint acorn]

yes! competition is definitely what sky needs. you know what, a massive leaderboard showing who has the most cosmetics or stars would make the game a lot more fun and competitive.

[azure spruce]

my phone's gonna burn by that point
sounds fun btw

[autumn elk]

I mean they could also reduce the stress of grinding candles by making the TS hang around longer in home space like a week instead of four days so you can candle run a bit each day and not miss the TS

[frosty radish]

I don't like what TGC planning to do at all bcuz kids playing this game as well

[copper hollow]

TS is just a catch-up mechanic. You buy the season pass in order to have items from the current seasons and ultimate gift. I personally think the TS system is just a bonus. Now if you are stressed out about the TS, then it's your problem since you know TS is random.

[static sigil]

I'm not sure if I'm a tester (Don't ask) if I click the link that is actually to leave the testing, I should be able to see if I am, right? Can I click it without having to leave? Is there a confirmation button first?

[spark lance]

Server cost money to maintain.

[long obsidian]

I can't wait to explore the village that's gonna be in the new season if that's the case
It'll give so many roleplay ideas for the sky rp community

[limpid frigate]

Okay, what the heck? Bro. It's a FAMILY FRIENDLY GAME, is it really that hard to understand?? Competion is not what sky needs also, sky is about friendship and sharing. I am not sorry if I am being rude, someone had to say it. Your suggestions are extremely toxic, if you are a competitive person, there are tons of game like that but sky is not one of it, Several People.

[little hound]

@mint acorn this would only enable toxic behavior within the community. We wouldn’t want that

[hasty vessel]

kids can still play the game though? that argument is a fallacy? there are much worse gaming models that prey on children and swamp them with loads of items behind a pay wall, this is a very mild form of that and players still have a lot to do without purchasing anything in the game

[jade dirge]

Sky is supposed to be chill, the main goal of the game is to have fun and to socialize, we shouldn't pressure ourselves to be able to get in a leaderboard, cause at the end of the day, sky is just a game and it's cosmetics are just nothing, but being able to socialize and build a forever relationship with the people you meet, thats the important thing

[astral salmon]

( tip : eden also has it but a few )
@dense forge eden has up to two candles ;)

[analog sun]

let's go pvp mode in sky

[gritty helm]

Krills Vs skykids

[dark quail]

I mean, we have the races in Valley, and if you guys want PVP, you can have friendly races there
Also, hide and seek!

[lime cobalt]

..I feel like I’m butting in but there wasn’t any question and help chats for beta so I’ll ask here-
What’s the fuss about, the thing that tgc is trying to do that many disagrees?

[brave topaz]

Krills with pianos vs skykids

[agile cape]

Whether it is complementary or not it will still affect the player's behavior. Just because you say it's bonus doesn't mean it's not going to be the main driver of people's choice. And we are debating its effects

[vital sentinel]

The only thing i want is more variation for valley race

Like, idk, hoverboard race maybe-

[mint acorn]

if y’all didn’t realize, pvp already exists in the game. you can literally lure krills to other people

[neat pelican]

Check the latest message in #beta-announcements

[spark lance]

@limpid frigate you need to calm down mate. Talk about family friendly game when you can't accept others opinion. He's allowed to say his opinion just the rest of us. Regardless of whether you agree or not at least respect it... The whole point of this arguments is to listen and you're just not doing that

[frosty radish]

Let's try our best to tell TGC for not making this thing implemented on the live!!
Bcuz this is not a giid decision they make, there are many types of players , there are players (friends i have) they can't pay for the game , but they farm everyday to purchase full items from TS

[clear crystal]

@mint acorn pls don’t lure the krills when people are meditating

[reef light]

I dont know whats happening ;-;

[fervent hatch]

I just wish beta has a meme channel. Meme is the key to solve this problem

[night dawn]

Y e s p l s

[limpid frigate]

I just said that their suggestion is toxic or what do you think it's not a toxic suggestion too? The competition doesn't fist in sky, neither a casino or gacha, sky is friendship and sharing. Also, lmao, you only point me out

[astral salmon]

beta chat :
mods :

[autumn elk]

Maybe a potential benefit for P2P (current or preorder AP holders) could be being able to vote on the next TS they want to see the most out of a set pool of them ?

it would let AP holders have a little bit of an edge and influence onthe system while the F2P players can enjoy the benefits of the voted spirit returning?

It would take out randomness to an extent but you dont know what everyone else would vote for

[jade dirge]

what is the purpose of farming for candles then? while sky is definitely about the friendships you make, it is grounded in actual gameplay as well, otherwise players would be flocking to monitored chatrooms or spend all their time in discord?
@spark lance

I think those factors are just there so players wont get bored and have a temporary goal in the game, that is also why theres seasons, if they dont have the candles, cosmetics and season, sky will turn into facebook

[tacit crescent]

(putting this in here again cause it kinda got buried ;w;) I asked about the access wipe a while ago and Mirian replied. But I have another question on it; when an access wipe occurs- will I need to continuously enter beta with a link or can I stay as a beta tester without the worry of not getting in on time?

[analog sun]

Season of Thunderdome
Mad Max cosmetics

[static sigil]

It's about the TS, veterans aren't happy but new players feel left out because they missed seasons so TGC is trying to find a cmpromise. I personally like the way it is in beta now and I am an android player and have missed other seasons

[azure spruce]

more parkour

[prisma swallow]

Yes but there is a way to express your opinions in a civilised manner without being outright offensive and using words like 'heck'. Is it even an argument if you're not willing to hear the opposition out?

Also I think they were being sarcastic with it, but whatever

[agile cape]

Like I said, the problem is not how the kids think, but how to balance things in the most positive way. And if you're really concerned with balancing, let's talk about options that really benefit both sides. Reducing the price of candles for pass holders and keeping the same for those who don't make a lot of sense.

[fallen forum]

request to have "Sound: On/Off" mode.. (my friends like to spam honk when see me in headset)

[spark lance]

@prisma swallow exactly. But I'm the only one pointing him out 😏

[tribal wind]

I have some memes for yall so we can all chill:

Beta chat:
Mods: "Haha I'm in danger"

Beta chat:
Mods: "ahhahaha AP go BRRRR"

[long obsidian]

this chat is a bit too agitated.. Can't we just be hype about the upcoming season?

[spark lance]

Yeah, this is bad decision on TGC part. But from what I've read, they're trying to solve the grindy issue people has been complaining about. I don't know how their new system can help with that. As a paid player, I think implementation of this new system going to make free player or maybe paid player such as me lose interest and purpose in the game.

[fathom river]

what if we get ts without any announcement, he just appears randomly out of nowhere, and everyone was like whoa. hahahahaha

[lyric wadi]

Can I ask what is the new system about which there is such huge disagreement?

[peak token]

players became aggresive , maybe//?

[clear crystal]

@lyric wadi : just read the next 5 sentence. You’ll see

[mint acorn]

season of EA. each spirit requires a different pass so you have to pay 40 dollars in total to get all the spirits. ultimate rewards are also locked behind a paywall

[spark lance]

I am sure they weren't being sarcastic, if you look in the channel you can see that dude reacted with no to the ts system suggestion and it's not the second time they said they should add something toxic 😩 and if they were being sarcastic then why not saying it?

[agile geode]

Yeah, many people have confirmed that

[copper bison]

for anyone confused about why the chat is on fire, people are disagreeing on the new ts system being tested in beta. head to #beta-announcements for more info.

[astral salmon]

It's about the TS, veterans aren't happy but new players feel left out because they missed seasons
"veterans" who dont like the idea of seeing newer players get the same items as them are toxic, sorry
i like to see my moths becoming fancy

[brave topaz]

JusTicE foR tHe mOfFs

[tacit crescent]

T H I S

[prisma swallow]

Still won't make sense to players who derive enjoyment out of gatekeeping items behind a paywall under the premise of exclusivity

[spring sentinel]

Agreed, i don't understand why people get mad over that kind of stuff. They have their ultimate cosmetics and pendants for inclusivity.

[odd field]

one day the only way to differentiate veterans and amateurs are just pendants

im trying to say IF THE ULT MAKES A COMEBACK OK

[dusky tundra]

Well, if sky is not about Cosmetics and only friendship.. better chat in discord 🤣

[agile cape]

What I find strange is that if people really want to improve the system, on facebook and other platforms should be discussing the most reasonable option, not by default the only way is to lock the item into the pass. I don't blame everyone, there are people who really want to contribute to building this system. But there are people who are clearly profiting from it on their own terms, who want in-game items to be more expensive so they can sell high-priced game accounts, or want exclusive rights to be able to sarcasm those who don't have. that exists somewhere. What I do is aim for methods that are both effective and positive and at the same time not to let those negative people get as they want.

[analog sun]

i want children to throw their cosmetics at each other as projectile weapons

[hasty vessel]

again can you stop with this narrative? it’s not helpful or productive and only increases the tension between the p2p and f2p players, you should know better.

[spark lance]

They want to be "unique". I don't care about being unique, I just want to be a beautiful princess because I can't do so irl because I'm a dude.

[daring gate]

A vet is divided by their skill and knowledge as opposed to a moth... not the campfire on their back.

[lyric wadi]

Veterans also were new players at one point. It's kinda hypocritical of them to not want new players something specific in my humble opinion
If anybody wanna be unique there is vault secret area cape and season pass already

[spark lance]

@dusky tundra I'll drink to that

[spark lance]

Lmao imagine being a veteran and fighting over cosmetics that aren't even real just because you are jealous of other people getting them

[agile geode]

Ults and pendants are coming back, this I do not agree with, however I agree with the idea of color changes on the ults that come back, like instead of an orange deer with gold horns, a blue deer with silver horns works. This way the og ult stays as a sense of accomplishment but it still looks good when it comes back.

[frosty radish]

I disagree with this idea players should not have pass to purchase items from coming TSs

[astral salmon]

i could have been called a vet after 1 week of playing, does it change anything to my life? no
we're playing a game about sharing, and i love it

say no to "veterans" embrace the moth

[tribal wind]

We have to protect them moths.
I don't know about yall but after I saw the moth I've guided for a few months being all happy because he got his new pants he worked hard for I thought that the ts being discounted for AP but still being "free" for those who can't afford it is the best idea.

[prisma swallow]

Umm isn't 'this narrative' the truth though? People paid for the items and now don't want others to have them, it's as simple as that. They're not even okay with AP holders getting items for free while the others pay a hefty candle price, because they just don't want them to have those items no matter what. It's the harsh truth, and that's exactly what I'm trying to put forward.

[spring sentinel]

Oh wow they are ? I feel like it kinda defeats the purpose of an ultimate reward for participating in the season. However if they were to reintroduce them with different palettes i'd see it more viable than getting the ogs for free.

therE'd basically be no use to buy a pass other than getting the cosmetics early

[autumn elk]

Unfort there will always be elitism some people will always want to "be better or more important" that's just a group of individuals who are greedy and are not a good representation of any community.

But I'm seeing the majority like to allow the equal chance for everyone to enjoy the game and its cosmetics to its fullest ant it makes me happy to see that

[halcyon vine]

Adventure pass on ts is free tho. I just got AP after i clicked it

[vague haven]

Lets talk about new season

[agile cape]

And yes, the TS system isn't just for free players, which means it's not just for paid players either. If you think it is just a system where the player has a chance to get the old items back, then it is better to talk about how they can get them back in the most sensible way. It keeps repeating: it's a system where players have a chance to get back old items that don't solve the problem. It has always been like that, we all know

[primal kraken]

Help me ive been listeing to flower dance for 20 minuetes

[dusky tundra]

This is a tight slap to the toxic veterans lololol🤣 🤣 🤣

Anyways fashion is endgame.. and people saying about ..yada yada.. friendship ..blah blah.. know that too..
So y'all want sky turn into a big chatroom of size 1GB or something?

[daring gate]

That’s not the point. A veteran is an excellent shepherd, someone who knows the game well enough and certainly just knows how to vibe. You can’t be on that level after 1 week and that’s okay. In this game of sharing, the point of veterans and moths is completely supposed to be just moral.

That being said though, moths and every player is a shepherd don’t misunderstand me.

Basically what I tried to say is your avatar doesn’t make you a moth or a veteran. Your skill and knowledge does.

[lyric wadi]

Just because one player was iOS so he had ultimates, and others were android so they don't have ultimates, this is no reason to deny anybody the ultimates using real world money. It's kinda selfish. I agree white candles shouldn't be used to buy ultimates but iap should be fine. So it's selfish to say only vets should have ultimates just coz they were ios

[spark lance]

Instead of locking cosmetics behind paywall, how about making a permanent huge and smaller than chibi height permanent only for paid players? Or idk, make me fat pls. I would pay for that.

[odd field]

take a break for a while guys so in the meantime anyone want candle shake? 🍹

meanie

[brave topaz]

I love how this place has been on fire for a full 24 hours. God I love this community XD

[spark lance]

I'll drink to that again.

[steady pond]

$80 pins but for ultimates how bout that 😔

[fallen forum]

request to add more dark creatures

[analog sun]

i for one support being a bee and their elusive flight mechanics

[clear crystal]

What do you mean? General beta discussion has always been on fire

[astral salmon]

thats what im saying haha :) we're agreeing. i could have been called that after one week but i dont care about a "status". i have been helping new players from my very first days and i wont stop.

[tender oasis]

As a pass holder and someone who does cr daily i still like the idea of the lesser candle number the ts requires. I finished the base game so my candles are not closely monitored anymore. What i don't really like that we must purchase item's we don't like at all to get the items we do.

[tribal wind]

Chibi mask? We want Huge mask, tall mask, tiny mask and chubby mask too

[daring parrot]

^since my very first days

[true summit]

still remember when that TS from Gratitude came and around him were crowded with shamingboat

[hasty vessel]

it have nothing to do about not wanting others to have the same items as them... it’s about making it a fair system the way i achieved an item should be the same way you can achieve the item sort of thing. it allows people to stop spending money on candle packs to receive the seasonal cosmetics from ts. please bare in mind that TGC know the NUMBERS of people purchasing candle packs to complete the tree you don’t. i don’t care about the items i care that the way people can get the items is equivalent to how i had to get them

[fervent hatch]

I think it's time to reveal the dark King and his dark followers

[autumn elk]

the issue with the color change on ultimate gifts, what if the color change is cooler than the original ultimate, then people would also complain moths have a cooler version of the ultimate they earned subjective of course.

[robust hawk]

@hasty vessel yes.. but not in the form of a pin that will only last for like 10mins..

[prisma swallow]

So let's just make Sky a 60$ AAA game with seasons as 10$ paid DLCs

[agile cape]

People who want to monopolize change for their own sake, they really just want the system to work in their favor instead of a rational system. That is why they deliberately ignore the possibility of discounting candles for those who have a pass, they want those who know nothing out there to think that there is only one option and that is the one that benefits them.

[copper hollow]

I find your definition of veterans lacking, since I would not argue if there was an agreed definition of veterans by the community. In my experience, when I was moth and I light someone and saw their cosmetics, I immediately labeled them as old players which means for me veterans. What I mean is, many can have different meanings on a term unless they have been majority agreed upon. That's why I'm sorry if I misunderstand your meaning since what you said can be done in weeks.

[copper bison]

i'm up to make some beverages to go with popcorn for any spectators of the chat. fresh from the krill blender
anyone want anything?

[slim kayak]

Its 1 am and I should be asleep. Congrats again to those who made it into beta. Remember to be kind to the devs and each other. Goodnight!

[peak token]

everyones opinion are fine as long as it werent mean to be toxic or others

hhhh sorry if weird

[frosty radish]

As a pass holder and have full items from 3 seasons now

I don't care if they come back in future and players purchase full items from the TS
BECAUSE ALREADY THE ITEMS ARE DOUBLED and there are players paying for candle packs

Really TGC should keep it the way it's now

[spark lance]

Yeah, while at that. Why not remove the height cap for paid players. I would love being 20ft tall, and having trouble going through eden because of my bad decision. Or maybe so microscopically small that other players couldn't see me.

[cunning dust]

what's the cool down time now ?
it's five minute

[dusky tundra]

Probably a very few.. cuz people buying candle packs can also buy passes..
And F2P players wouldn't buy candle packs..
Ur argument isn't valid

[azure spruce]

im honestly excited for sanctuary spirits to come back as ts so that my friends can get em.
~~it's also a break from grinds, sanctuary spirit = 3 days of no spending candles/hearts ~~

[safe knoll]

Its not even comparable, you need more days of farming Seasonal candles in order to get a SINGLE seasonal item
Comparing to the amount of white candles you need to earn FULL cosmetics from that same Seasonal Spirit.

[primal kraken]

My cousin rlly wants shy pose so im happy for her skks

[bold pine]

vv happy that i got beta but lowkey kinda sad that i have to go thru every realm for the first time again

[astral salmon]

i am dreaming about it 🤭

[odd field]

theres a few vets not wanting new players to get ultimate are plain arrogant and selfish i must say. they have ios, some of us who have know sky since lights await but was unable to download the game back then due to it being ios only, well, was it our fault? no, right.

they can't possibly say "hey kid you don't deserve this ultimate gift because you're late"

(telling yall this since i found someone like this before)

[tribal wind]

Spoiler: the king is @gilded parrot, just watch how he reacts when you say prophets! Skybot, do you think you are better then those prophets? Show it to us!

[agile geode]

sky should’ve just given android players their own season schedule, starting from gratitude, it was never fair for the android players to begin with

[daring gate]

Hey that’s not at all comparable. You farm those 75 white candles for 5 days, spending a total of 10-12 hours in-game.

You farm seasonal candles for a week, but you spend a total of about 3 hours max.

[plain ember]

There would've never been a crossplay then

[hasty vessel]

TGC and ktjn made this argument so please take it up with them, again they know the numbers and you don’t so stop making assumptions

@safe knoll the fact that it isn’t comparable is the problem, grinding for items in that manner is toxic

[clear crystal]

@odd field IKR???!!! If you're paying 10$ to get bragging rights and feel exclusivity in an online game where it literally doesn't affect your or anyone else's gameplay I think sky is not the for you.

I really hate self-centered people who go with the "if I have it, no one else should" mentality. It reeks of selfishness and insecurity.

Also idk what the term “veteran” has become in this game

[agile cape]

I think the reduction of candle prices for pass holders is the best balance.
And yes, they know who buys and doesn't, that's why they want players to comment. Because they don't think their options are unique. If they thought so, they wouldn't ask anyone.

[copper bison]

as a f2p player who literally cannot afford anything at all, i really don't mind the new ts system, which is actually kind of funny. i don't care about cosmetics. sure, there are always cosmetics i desire and really want. but i don't need them to survive. i would of been fine if sky was a social game where we all looked like moths. though this is just me and my opinion, i can't speak for others.

[frosty radish]

I'm okay with the idea for the ULTIMATE GIFTS TO COST REAL MONEY bcuz they tried harder than others

but I'm not okay with the idea the PASS ITEMS COME BACK AS PASS ITEMS AGAIN

[next umbra]

While people are debating about ultimates, TS, iaps here in discord. People in other social media platforms are fighting about whether the gat hat for the new season is chinese or korean.

[steady pond]

when switch players join the mix, this arguments gonna get a lot worse, im calling it now

[spark lance]

Veteran here. I think the TS system is good as it is right now, in live. New players put in the time for cosmetics. As i payed for an AP. Blocking cosmetics behind paywall is not a good thing. It feels like the real world, not everyone can be equal. If people buy TS with candle packs it is their choice, right. You have the option to grind or wait.

[autumn elk]

switch players get a free mario hat they cant complain

[silent lily]

I have the exact same mentality as you... I just...... Don't care

[lyric wadi]

So that should be told to tgc not to us. We didn't do anything wrong that we don't deserve the items which were there during the non-android time.
It is every bit fair. U paid money and got all items during season. We farm hard and get a single item for 10 times more candles. Even then we gotta pay even more to get the ultimates coz if they come they will come as iap and will be even more expensive than the pass itself. It's more than fair imo

[true summit]

some angry if the ultimate back not because of they feel disrespectful but to have a reason bussiness

[hollow compass]

@spark lance replying to you here (in the chat channel): if you want to get the Founder's cape, you need to find someone to take you to the office.

[prisma swallow]

Well the amount of veterans endorsing their view against the new TS system itself tells you the feedback, so the best solution is to leave it in #beta-feedback so it contains as many peoples' views as possible

[thin shell]

pog

[spark lance]

Sorry but don't call out all vets based on one bad example. Would it be fair if i played from day one. And had that UG to show that i supposed the game from day one and then comes one guy who played for a couple of weeks and he already has the same cosmetic? To me that's a no. I understand its a sharing game yari yari but what's the point of cosmetics? So everyone can stand out in their own way. You can have some stuff as a free player but asking for everything isn't it either.

[spring sentinel]

I don't think the normal season items should be locked from newer players, but the ultimates give me a beta cape kinda vibe, where you can't really acquire them anymore

and don't get me wrong i only joined during rythm, i really wish i joined before so because the old ultimates look so nice, but i kinda feel like it would be unfair for the pass holders ?? idk thats just my opinion

[ocean gate]

The feedback seems pretty unanimous; I wonder how long it’ll take for this change to be called off
(Also as a vet I stand for giving newer players a free chance at getting old items )

[astral salmon]

TS are randoms and getting the item you want takes months. thats how TGC made it fair to the players who played the season

[proven dragon]

Why are people so bothered with the fact that other people can attain items via candles instead of buying a season pass? Most of the time, we can't even see each other unless we are friends or we light up the random people we meet. So who cares? There is no room to brag here. We can't even talk to each other unless we have a table or are friends with them

[fervent hatch]

All of this just because TGC is worried about richpeople spending huge amount of money on candles.

[eager fulcrum]

i’m sorry but the whole “we want it to be fair” thing... what???? is the hours spent cr and months waiting for a certain ts not fair enough?????? compared to the fact that you got them pretty much instantly??? the ts system right now is already fair

[frank raptor]

The idea behind the new system was partially created due to some players complaining about candle grind being too hard, iirc. A good alternative option is to have a new ts system where players can buy a discount for the amount of candles they have to exchange for a ts item. Now people who do not want to spend as much time cr can get items from ts faster, while f2p players are still able to obtain them, just at a higher cost of candles.

[placid linden]

TS got my hooked to the game before I became an AP holder, if it weren't for the nice TS I would've never stayed and paid 🤠

[clear crystal]

Why are you spamming sticker reactions to your own messages

[brave topaz]

I shall now go dress as a moth ingame until they change the TS thing... FoR MotH JusTiCe

[shy geode]

i think this system works out differently for different people. for example younger people (usually people maybe under 15 or so?) may not be able to buy an adventure pass and the current ts works out well for them, but a lot of people also just don’t find it healthy candle running everyday (which in all honesty, it’s really not) and buy candle packs each ts which is also very exhausting so the adv pass works out better for some. we honestly never know if this will actually be implemented into the game and i think a lot of people are being way too harsh at the moment when it’s just being tested although it’s 100% fine to feel frustrated. would be good to find a way to meet in the middle although i’m not sure how that would work out

[daring gate]

Moth justice campaign

[copper bison]

i love seeing moths i meet grow up and become beautiful experienced players. just the other day my moth friend got their first cape

[odd field]

i edited my message a bit due to inconvenience. i didn't checked thrice before sending either 🙏 just stating what happened to me few months ago when i was a curious moth, asking a vet with rhythm ultimate hair on how they obtained the hair. they literally have the urge to say "i have ios, if you have android then it's your fault" or smth.
ayy why is editing messages hard

those squinting at me : hi, i did apologize what more do u want

[fallen forum]

request to add a winter realm

[lyric wadi]

Then it is fair that just coz game was available for u as an iOS player, android player who started playing from Android day 1 should not get the items?
The office cape is one exclusive item given to those players who were there from day 1. Why be greedy and put a ban on every other item? And nobody said give us ultimates for free. We r ready to do iap for ultimates but the other shouldn't be iap as well. That's the least compensation android players who support their time and love in the game can get

[spark lance]

Why do you feel the need to "stand out"? I'm more impressed to people who grind their way to buy cosmetics from traveling spirit. Time worths more than money. If they're willing to invest that much time into a game for something. I would say they're more loyal to TGC especially compare to me who just buy my way through.

[tulip chasm]

New players work hard to farm candles too. Respect their effort. I’m not a new player, I see my new player friends spending at least 2- 3 hours a day to farm candles, find people to trade hearts.. they don’t just get the item after couple of days of playing, but two weeks of candles farming to get the ts spirit items. I think vets don’t need to feel insecure here as new players have to wait much longer to get items, and they have to commit double the effort. that why the current ts system works so well to prevent newbie from obtaining items too easily with $$.

[spark lance]

I'm sorry you had to go through this with that bad player. That's not a sky player behavior.

[agile cape]

With that said, we should allow the buyer to pass the discount on the candles paid for the item

[spark lance]

You never had to apologize you clearly said "a few vets" not "all vets"...

[silent lily]

I'm gonna dress as a moth and go to praire, find some "veterans" and seek help or ask questions related to Cosmetics. Maybe I'll find people that are from other non-English speaking countries so that i can get Everyone's view. I'LL surely share it here.
I just wanna see if this "veterans ignoring moths" is a thing or just a made up myth cause i've never seen a moth being ignored.
Also, focus on the word "i" while reading the para above

[clear crystal]

@silent lily don’t forget to intentionally get krilled so you can have 3 wedges, otherwise you’ll blow your cover

Kinda like that one time I pretended to be a moth but they said moths don’t make crab sounds

[ocean gate]

As a vet I’ve seen it happen; worst during forest when they just leave the moths out to melt and you gotta swoop in and umbrella them

[shy geode]

people who simply don’t want others to have ultimate gifts because “you were too late and i don’t wanna see someone else with the same items i have” is honestly kinda gross to me. sky’s not really about standing out from other people or seeming cool because you have items other people might want, and you feel they shouldn’t have them because they weren’t here at the same time as you. especially android players who had no control over it. like i understand you spent the time and the money to get the ult gifts, as long as they can too and tgc works out a fair system in the end, there really shouldn’t be a problem. if you really wanna stand out there’s always the pendants. other players can’t obtain those pendants.

[fervent hatch]

Lol. You just don't know there's a moth discrimination going on. One reason is it's a pain to add the new players and they just quit the game anyway. Other reason is they have too many friends .

[placid linden]

I've met fake moths that behave worse than real moths, don't sully the moths reputation #mothjustice

[little hound]

Moths ago, this channel grilled me for calling veterans as players who have cool (rare) cosmetics. They told me that veterans are rather efficient and skilled guiders.

[limpid frigate]

And that's why we need an option to remove inactive friends from our constellation...

[frank raptor]

Veterans are players who are experienced and skilled, though. I'm sorry if people piled on you

[lyric wadi]

People who wanna "stand out and not let others have same items as them even of others are ready to pay real.money on thise items" are in my opinion going agaist the very purpose of sky. Sky is a friendly game with emphasis on having fun together and not a dressup game where somebody needs to stand out just because ios was released earlier than android.

[reef light]

[ocean heart]

I just checked into beta, whats up with putting ts behind a paywall? Doesnt that ruin the purpose of letting everyone experience the ts?

[spark lance]

You have the option to block them. They won't appear on your constellations anymore.

[sinful comet]

I'm in beta but I don't have a beta cape. when can i get?

[drifting atlas]

Met a moth that tried to guilt trip me and my friend, saying that we're being mean to them when we said absolutely nothing mean

[prisma swallow]

At least let us rename friends anytime so we can change the name of the inactive ones to "zzzSomething" so that they end up at the end of our block list

[copper hollow]

I have a question....what if when TGC first introduce the TS system as AP locked, will this debate even continue?

What I mean is, I understand why people are saying its unfair for AP buyers since they used money to pay for it, and its their exclusive right to have those items for themselves (for it to become fair to them). These AP buyers are those who support TGC financially which F2P can't. Whilst it is sad to see F2P cannot access those AP locked items but they still do have access to some cosmetics! Just not those AP locked items <:

I just find it their mistake to show it as free, when they could just AP locked it beforehand. Now, they are just returning those items as AP locked which for me is very upsetting since people are already used to the current TS system. Of course, now people are complaining.

But hey, let me remind everyone that TGC knows something than us. After all, they received the complaints not you. What if they were receiving many negative feedbacks of the TS system, including the hypothetical fact that those are AP buyers? Imagine a game without AP buyers, this game wouldn't even last for long. But again, TGC knows more than we could see.

Hopefully, they could decide a fairer system for both.

[silent lily]

First of all Let's not take the ts system itself for granted.
Let's at least be grateful that they provide us an option to get some old Cosmetics, they could've just never introduced it, and it would've been different.

(I'm off to moth adventures now bye)

[hollow compass]

Please do read #beta-faq to learn more about how beta works.

[copper bison]

the beta cape was a reward given out to testers who tested before global release. it is no longer available. there is no current reward for testing beta.

if you want founders cape in beta, go to #beta-looking-for-group to ask someone to take you to office and you can buy it from the shop.

[spark lance]

If my cosmetics would become exclusive because I’m on ios and can afford an AP. I wouldn’t feel good about having them anymore. That’s just not the premise of Sky how I invisioned the game would be when I started playing

[fallen forum]

can add more candles to Vault? totally no motivation to go there...

[agile cape]

If this resulted in their loss of revenue and bankruptcy, they would not consult anyone. Complainants are those who buy the pass but not all, and not the only way to deal with the problem is to lock the item into the pass. We can reduce candle prices for pass holders, I have said many times already.

[shy geode]

people are starting to treat sky like the sole purpose is having rare cosmetics and trying to stand out from to others. it’s not a bad thing to want that, but when you start acting like new players shouldn’t have access to it and like there’s no other point to the game, it becomes an issue. i’m a cosmetic collector myself tbh and it’s very easy to see it’s not the focus of the game. sky is a social game, and like fae.ruhi said, not a dress up game. i hate that thats how people are solely starting to see it

[spark lance]

@fallen forum i stopped going ages ago. Unless i have little left to complete a candle

[frank raptor]

People are grateful of the current ts system, we're just discussing how it could be improved/updated/not updated. Also reminder to not react with negative emotes to messages as they can carry a dismissive tone, while I understand people may want to do so because of the cooldown time.

[agile geode]

Pendants are also coming back~

[lyric wadi]

Um it's not true in my opinion that tgc stands only due to players who buy passes. First of all there are ways through which TGC and other Dev's earn when even free player download, play etc. Secondly, for example My friend who plays for free introduces 10 friends to the game. 3 of them buy pass, 7 don't. Those 7 introduce 70 more to game. Again 3 of them buy pass, others don't. So let's not assume the tgc earning is oh for paying players
Also, even the free players r ready at times to pay for events, ultimates etc. So the least they came xpect is to get occassional.items which come as ts after they farm hard for 3-4 hours daily to gather every candle

[steady pond]

is anyone else on the same side where they don't care if ults come back or not?

id love to get a chance to earn rhythm hair and deer mask but i dont mind if they arent ever made available.

whatever decision TGC makes its gonna make the other side angry anyway, theres no way to satisfy everyone involved lol

[fathom river]

true. I bought the halloween cosmetics because I want to be a wizard so much. that's it. ahhahaa

[quartz kindle]

In beta, all IAP are completely free right? Or will the beta AP IAP have to be purchased to properly test the TS’s?

[simple bobcat]

Where did you hear that? Afaik they don't plan on bringing those back at all

[finite meteor]

if pendants r coming back what do i do with my pendants going all the way back to lightseekers and my ults going back to rhythm 🏃‍♀️

[thin shell]

Sky is aesthetic TF2
also hats

[azure spruce]

[near drift]

well if ultimates came in IAP I would be very happy to yeet myself besides krill several times without using home trick

[clear crystal]

@simple bobcat they said they are trying to find a way to bring the ultimate rewards back

https://thatgamecompany.helpshift.com/a/sky-children-of-the-light/?s=gameplay-features&f=what-is-a-traveling-spirit&p=all

[ocean heart]

I completely agree with you. Its also a shame to see that tgc is reinforcing this behavior with paywalls and such making a drastically u fair power dynamic between f2p and players to pay. If theyre going to lock ts behind a paywall then the f2p players will no longer have a chance to even try to get what they want besides the normal constellation cosmetics.

I also just wish that sometimes some players just shouldnt have a power complex and decide they are better than another player since they have more cosmetics.

Anyways, tgc is becoming more greedy, players are falling out of the game because the loop is too boring and the community is now toxic, and tgc is releasing content only for players who want to pay.

[hollow compass]

You still have to "buy" everything to test it, but there is no money being exchanged. I also recommend reading up a little in #beta-faq on how things work in beta, as well as check #beta-announcements and #beta-known-issues for varying issues/new features.

[vocal crater]

Please whatever your opinion put it in #beta-feedback

Even if your opinions are different, don't yell at each other please.

Feedback is important, I do not agree with the new TS system, for me (knowing that I am someone who buys all the passes and who even bought the two boxes of the shop)it's unfair to people who can't put money into video games. Knowing that they dream of certain items .. Now it's time to punish them because he can't put money in vidéo games.
So I said it in the #beta-feedback

[agile cape]

TGC changes because they feel it needs change, but there is not only one way to change it. Those who try to manipulate people so they have to agree to a decision in their favor are the ones we should fight against if we meet them.

[shy geode]

i don’t think they talked about pendants coming back as far as i know, just that you’d need to have the current seasonal pendant in order to buy stuff from previous seasons friendship tree. feel free to correct me if i got anything wrong :)

[spark lance]

@shy geode what's the point then if cosmetics don't matter? Then remove all and we all can look like clones. All the same.
I'm down to the TS Making a comeback but not the UG . Call me hipocrite or whatever u want. Its my opinion. Good day everyone

[kindred fossil]

that's a topic for another day, but i think the radar nerf has a play in this matter, most veterans run through realms without paying much attention to their surroundings and the radar sort of helped you
before the nerf, i used it to see if any players were around before activating the gate at battlefield for example
unless were talking about players who purposely leave moths behind

[agile geode]

They confirmed on the last dot point in this link that both are coming back:

https://thatgamecompany.helpshift.com/a/sky-children-of-the-light/?l=en&s=gameplay-features&f=what-is-a-traveling-spirit

Its all good though, they didn’t make it obvious

[ocean gate]

Hi dark

[fallen forum]

request to add a Triangle (music instrument) for a music idiot like me

[jade dirge]

All Ultimate reward will be FREEE MUWHAHAHAHAHA

||JK||

[fathom river]

I don't befriend moths that often cause it hurts when they all grew up and they leave you. i mean that's okay but, you know..

[odd field]

ok listen. i wanna put this in feedback

hello there. i have a suggestion regarding the ultimate gift making a comeback. maybe you guys should make the ultimate gift worn by players to be automatically equipped with their respective season's pendant to fulfill the wish of some players who wanted to be "exclusive", this will help to differentiate people who have achieved their ultimate gifts in the specific season before and those who bought it as they returned!

(I'll just put this here in case since i still care about the feelings of some of those arrogant people) ifyouknowwhoimean

why no i cri

[hardy peak]

Beta users getting the Teamwork emote is hard to get

[pulsar cypress]

im not sure if im tripping but i think my candle and heart amount has changed in beta since last time i was on

[lyric wadi]

Also, the people have the beta cape as an exclusive item already. Why be greedy for everything!!

[prisma swallow]

No the point is since cosmetics do not matter, everyone should have a shot at getting them - some may choose to spend days and hours grinding while others might pay to get them early.

The point is not that since cosmetics do not matter, the f2p players should be restricted to moth outfits because well, why you wanna look cool bruh it doesn't even affect gameplay

[deft belfry]

I dont always accept moths because after that they just become inactive and never get on ;-;

[spark lance]

What did i walked into?
Edit:oh

To be honest, I wouldn't mind ultimate gift returning. It's up for debate. But I just hope they add more expensive capes such as black and white cape because getting both of the cape feels so satisfying.

[agile cape]

Really everyone should understand that every new option comes into being, besides the positive things, it will have negative consequences attached. Besides that there are people who want to monopolize the crops so they can sell their accounts at premium prices, which is true. Think of the negative consequences that happen and why so many people agree to lock out clothes with a pass. Of course I don't think they're all bad, I just think that there are bad people hiding the good statements. It is quite common in my community to sell accounts and it is clear that the publisher has no control over it. If people really want to think of a way to balance, THINK ALL of the possibilities instead of having to lock items into pass or free.

[shy geode]

that’s not my point lol. i didn’t say cosmetics don’t matter, i said treating it like it’s the sole purpose is the problem. cosmetics are honestly fun to collect and wanting to collect them isn’t an issue, but not wanting others to have the same however is an issue. there’s more cosmetics than just seasonal ones anyways.

[little hound]

What will you lose if ults come back as IAPs or revamped versions? Your veteran status? Your uniqueness? Your high ground? I understand. But what will you gain if ults come back? Happy players? More support for the devs? It’s a matter of setting equilibrium points for the majority

[daring parrot]

Its kinda weird to me. I think that it is natural that we cant have everything. Seasons pass, it might not be our fault (for exaple android players) that we weren't in game then, but we still weren't present. It is very nice of tgc that they are giving us a chance to get these past cosmetics, but as I said: we cant, and shouldnt have everything, because that is not how real life works.
In my opinion, at least ultimate gifts should stay as they are. It might be cool to maybe have 2 gifts and one could be for f2p players and the second to AP holders, but thats a topic for a different disscusion.
What I mean is, one of the points of that TS change is players wanting to stay unique and tgc supporting it, If im correct. Why would they want to keep normal cosmetics locked by that AP wall while bringing back ultimates? what is more unique than a ultimate gift?

Soon, seasons wont even have a point
because of TS's imo AP can only be useful to get these ults, really
but that is my opinion now, when this change hasnt been made yet

[halcyon vine]

Sorry for asking. Im a bit too late but what is F2P?

[jovial remnant]

whats a AP

[remote void]

Free to Play and Adventure Pass

[hollow compass]

You don't need anyone else's confirmation to post your opinion in feedback and please don't post the same thing twice.

@lyric wadi You seem to have a strong dislike of beta cape owners.

[agile geode]

Keep in mind not every old player has that cape, but I understand your frustration.

[kindred fossil]

hihi
and to add, this game desperately needs taggable options, instead of saying bye-bye to important core game features

[vocal crater]

...Guys I'm thinking abt...Why not leave the choice to the players? I want to say. Leave the choice of unlocking TS only with candles or with the pass....
Sure it will be complicated to set up but it would suit everyone ...

[near drift]

was the slowmode decreased to 5 mins/

[royal venture]

Yup

[maiden girder]

when will TGC do a progress wiping? kick out everyne before every invitation wave?
should i rejoin/redownload the limit invitation wave?

[opaque halo]

chaos

[lyric wadi]

Nope I don't. Sorry if it came off as that, that wasn't my intention, in no way I am saying I dislike or hold any grudge against beta. M just saying when there is already an exclusive beta cape why put the same restrictions on the other items as well. It's a strong dislike against those who wanna put every item under the banner of "exclusive". If they want to be so exclusive they can use the beta cape. Why pull everything under that

[ocean heart]

Idk it just frustrates me how everything is locked behind a paywall now, i know the game is about being social but, farming candles with no reward as a f2p can be exhausting and make you lose motivation for the game.

[agile cape]

Some exclusive pass buyers are always worried about the player having too much power, and they're toxic too. Free players have never had the same benefits as paid players

[finite meteor]

i wouldnt say tgc is greedy, they may be needing a bit more money right now to continue doing stuff for sky

companies can sometimes have limited resources, even if they make amazingly beautiful games
they may be testing the feature of AP locked TS because they might need some money in the future

programs they might be using could be running on a very expensive subscription, even if its just a modeling program, i know ZBrush needs a subscription to use and some art apps in general

they may seem greedy but they’re also real people needing money to live in general
its also supporting the devs in a good way when buying something, sometimes i buy IAP capes when an event for one is here to support the devs

they’re working on this game based on our feedback, which is sometimes a bit rude feedback too
it can be complicated for them right now, especially with them also trying to get sky ported to switch, and porting is hard while also trying to work on that specific game

[hasty vessel]

more f2p items are being introduced though? well supposedly, tgc aren’t intentionally locking out f2p players

[daring parrot]

If they will start involving it everywhere, It will be an obligation
Im afraid that if they put that ap lock on ts's, we will have more of such locks in the future

[copper bison]

we don't know when tgc will do a progress wipe.
yes, they do an access wipe before every new invite season.
not sure what you mean by the last one thought

[deft belfry]

So many paragraphs, just like the last beta wave a few months ago

[little hound]

Are you guys referring to the Beta Cape as in the one bought from the Office? Or the one from Sky 2018?

[odd field]

i... i don't know anymore. I'll leave the rest for tgc to decide and yall to discuss

[prisma swallow]

When you tell your f2p playerbase 'you never getting the water prophet blue cape (just an example of a currently AP locked item) unless you pay', it is indeed known as 'locking out' players

[gilded parrot]

the prophets are watching

[agile geode]

TGC loses money with this new system, this has been confirmed

[hollow compass]

It sounds like you are saying that all beta cape owners want to make other items exclusive. But only a few thousand players were ever rewarded that and not many remain in the game, so I don't think they are a "loud majority" saying such things.

But perhaps I misunderstand the argument you're making, so let's just agree that IU is the best.

[copper hollow]

I personally like TGC giving two capes and two hairs for F2P, maybe it will be the same for next season? But then again, there are TS from past seasons so meh....

[wheat pumice]

Most of the long message are just copied from earlier then repost again here. Hmmp, I guess.

[vocal crater]

They remove all access to updates before each wave, so even if you had been in beta before you still have to catch a wave to access beta updates and therefore return to beta (bc u need update to play , without it doesn't work)

Also @gilded parrot we know devs are watching

[ocean heart]

That’s precisely what i was thinking, if the AP becomes something you need to really unlock anything new, or you need to pay to get anything new thats when it can get extremely frustrating. Lets not forget that a lot of the players are young kids who cant buy stuff :I

[kindred fossil]

i have to wait 5 minutes to fix my mess ups, i'm in so much pain

[spark lance]

May I ask a question of you here?

[maiden girder]

sorry for the misleading
i mean ~ if i want to keep the access, should i join every invitation wave?
or once i got in (at this wave), then i can keep the access for months (atleast no need to rejoin next wave)

thank. i got the ans from @vocal crater

[primal kraken]

?

[copper bison]

the one in the office is called founders cape
the reward for pre-global launch players is beta cape

[quartz kindle]

This! Idk why you cant edit the messages you sent anymore... why the heck does it count as cooldown? Discord

[thin shell]

imagine having a discussion on edited messages

[lyric wadi]

Then my wording is at fault for implying something not intended, that's why just wanna clarify I never imply all beta cape guys are like that. I myself have some best friends in sky who have the beta cape and even they say refusing items to non vets is wrong. But here are people who keep singing we been playing since day 1 so we wanna be exclusive, to them I say you already have a beta cape, not office cape but the proper beta cape, as exclusive, so they can use that and stand out all they want.
And yes, IU is cute

[deft belfry]

really?

but you can? at least I can

[daring parrot]

As someone has said before, farming candles everyday with barley any cool reward is frustrating and makes u lose interest, If ap will lock everything up
yeah, we got plenty of constalations to complete and many cool things to buy, but sky will be full of ap players who would be getting much much muuch more cooler stuff and its sad to think about.

[tulip chasm]

As a semi vet, I just don’t understand the mentality of some people who thinks “ult gifts should never return because it represents pride and exclusive identity”. While I’m sure some of them wear UG not for anyone else but for themselves..but be honest, most of the vets who are outright against the comeback(not even in an alternate form) just like that superior feeling of showing off those items in prairie social area, looking for the “wow effect” from strangers. You are encouraging a very problematic attitude—judging someone by their look. This is a social game, not a device for you to create a class system and you feel good to be on top. It’s not healthy. Your uniqueness comes from within, from your conversations with other players, and interaction with friends, not superficial cosmetics. I honestly don’t mind if the ug comes back in whatever forms, as long as it creates a more equal and friendly environment. Just because they join later don’t make them inferior. I’m honestly uncomfortable with this mentality.. if you read what Jenova Chen said, they will likely to be some differences

[barren prairie]

Hi everyone, dumb question but if I didn’t get into beta invites this time around can I just delete the app or do I have to do anything special to stop being part of it?

[finite meteor]

if ur on pc it doesnt count slowmode is affecting editing on iOS though

[primal pagoda]

once you edit, nobody reads. the general beta chat is really active right now. lol

[hearty pelican]

s

[little hound]

Ok Discord hates IOS because they don’t support Server Boost for IOS, nor do they support Editing the Post for IOS. Discord why you do IOS dirty like this

[prisma swallow]

Imagine wasting 5 minutes for 's'

I just wasted 5 minutes too didn't I?

[sinful comet]

better than 15 min

[azure spruce]

[unique token]

i'm just gonna

[placid linden]

I want Owl mask to go with Owl Hair

[carmine drum]

A

[ocean heart]

Its lowkey kinda problematic of tgc to lock f2p out of new content, I understand the argument that they need funding but f2p gets barely nothing, reminds me of membership in animal jam back in the day 👁👄👁

[spark lance]

That is the problem with some Sky players. They want to feel unique. They doesn't want anyone to have the same item as they do. Pride is a real world issue that bleeds into the game.

[fallen forum]

request to add No-Krill Week (they need off days, my heart pain when i see them work non-stop)

[copper bison]

discord crashed
my tablet is bad

[quartz kindle]

Discord iOS is very unfortunate. Sky forbid i make a typo

Mmm, but back on topic, for some reason I dont see spirits in the cave of props. Is that normal? It’s oddly empty

[spark lance]

I've seen users using illegal programs in beta, using final rewards from the light tracker.

[deft belfry]

I guess android just OP (over powerd)

[vocal crater]

!reportplayer

[gilded parrot]

Here's some info on how to report players in the game: https://bit.ly/ReportFAQ

[odd field]

report them if you ever find any. do you mean ultimate reward of lightseeker? yes. its obviously a hacked content so you have to help the game by reporting them

[ornate marlin]

[primal kraken]

I basically do not care abt my candles i care for my seasonal and do quests everyday so at the end they can convert ;)

[carmine dove]

• sad PC noises *

[tulip chasm]

That is just unfortunate. A beautiful game like sky should be a safe heaven for people who wants to escape from the ugliness in real world. Unfortunately people who generate that toxic attitude also join the game.

[daring parrot]

Some players, even vets, have spoken that we should not care about the ultimates coming back, because its not about being exclusive and looking for a wow efect from strangers, but is for showing our personality, what we like and stuff
yeah, that is a good point
but keep in min these are ultimates for some reason. If they come back, they loose their special state, the work and time players put to get them before will stop to matter, seasons will lose their point, and nobody will care, because: wow, cool cosmetic, it speaks to me, imma take it now
Look, there are many cosmetics to show your character, even the TS's items are losing their worth, but in my opinion bringing back ultimates is too much. They are ment to be special. Its not communism, is it? We dont have to be THAT equal
in my opinion the idea of bringing ults back is too much.

[little hound]

Report suspicious players who are sporting the following cosmetics: Deer Mask, Lightseekers Ult and Juggler Cape
Discussion closed

[agile cape]

I think we should recommend a discount for pass holders

[primal pagoda]

you can get juggler cape without hack. what you cannot get is the red fluffy cape cmiiw

[thin shell]

what's with them

[vapid ingot]

Even though beta invite was ended... Here still so active
I'mma

[quartz kindle]

It sucks that people are racing to get into beta, and someone takes a precious spot and decides to hack. Like what did you think was gonna happen bud? Youre gonna get banned why put in all that effort

[spark lance]

Oh! All right! I just got in there and called! I should stay in Beta and do something good for the game!

• Slow modus operandi can't answer quickly!!

[tall yacht]

Here is the reference for you if you wish to stop being part of beta : #beta-faq message

[spark lance]

A
Edit:pain

[carmine drum]

B

[barren prairie]

Thank you so much!

[finite meteor]

if ults come back then all the actual effort i put into getting both rhythm ults, enchantment ults, sanc ults, etc are all gone if they come back then they should have at least some color changes

[ocean heart]

C

[ornate marlin]

D

[agile geode]

Agreed, its a sense of accomplishment and I want them to come back, just in different colors

[copper bison]

please don't fill up the chat with single letters, it's considered spam

[lyric wadi]

Ultimates are ultimates for two reasons. 1. They were paid. 2.They were months ago.
For paying: people are ready to pay up.money to get the items.
For months ago: how is it android fault android didn't have sky back then? Just coz it was only for iOS is no reason to refuse. Secondly, already if ultimates return they will be hella more expensive than what they prices as iap, and they won't even have the other items which are coming as ts.

[tulip chasm]

They aren’t likely to be exactly the same. And most likely they are going to cost a lot more. TGC does try to come up with a compromise to sooth both the vets and the late joiners

[ancient spade]

Oh no when there will be new waves? Or it's all?

[daring parrot]

dont worry about it

[little hound]

I like the idea of bringing back ultimates as a pricey IAP and a revamped version to preserve the integrity of the original ults (and to the very least, keep the old players happy).

[agile cape]

I think the discount for pass holders is the most reasonable, it doesn't hurt the morale of both players. We should promote this approach.

[prisma swallow]

Each ultimate as IAP for 100$

brokg? oh well

[primal pagoda]

thanks to the hardworking staff and mods who always lurk here from time to time

[spark lance]

Why not just leave the system the way it is now? If it ain't broke, don't fix it. As they saying goes.

[ocean heart]

For example bring back the umbrella but make it yellow

[spark lance]

awawa i know it’s not much but so far i’ve reported 2 bugs and this is my first time being a beta tester so i feel useful

[ornate marlin]

#beta-feedback

[deft belfry]

I just like the hoot hair and that cute mask I won't want it to be "above" other players its just so cute

[quartz kindle]

Its so nice to be here and just talk with you guys about things that could be implemented. Thanks to the cooldown I can listen more than speak, and its giving me lots of cool ideas! The ‘different color ultimates’ thing gave me the idea to color customization items like masks and tassel headpieces things like that. Maybe even music headphones!

[primal kraken]

I was waiting for cooldown to stop while editing and so many messages 😳 this channel is on fire rn 😳👀

[compact jetty]

how about each ultimate gift for 1000candles so people still need to work hard for it

[dusky tundra]

What's happening

[vapid ingot]

I scare the 15 min cooldown comeback lol, since this channel still on fire

[finite meteor]

beatsbyelder headphones as a real cosmetic when

[carmine dove]

debating for the pass Ultimate gifts, I guess-

[nimble lava]

Guys, my friend constellation is not showing... Has anybody met the same issue in the past? If so, how can I solve it?

[copper bison]

i'm going to go to bed. it's like 2 in the morning and i have class today. see y'all

[wheat pumice]

Wishing that google wakes up and be able to give me the beta app so that I could start wappin' those bugs 😄😂

[kindred fossil]

compared to recent seasons, you're right on that, earlier seasons barely offered that many options to f2p. i say this as a f2p-er since lightseekers, i didn't own the pass for that season back then, and all i could afford were 2 masks + 1 hairstyles and mostly because i didn't understand it was a season, but looking back my point stands
but now? they're way too generous with non-pass items, and much more balanced between pass and non-pass items

[bold pine]

i feel like getting more than a hundred candles is already hard work since u gotta grind everyday, but in my opinion i feel like 1000 candles is too much since it'd just be available for people who are like extremely devoted to sky - dont take my opinion too seriously doe, its just what i think 💙

[prisma swallow]

Imo any policy which makes the ultimates free (in terms of real money) would be quite unfair. There are a lot more people who have 1000+ candles than you think there are

[sullen oasis]

10 million candles

[primal pagoda]

what I can confirm is tgc has officially said that ulti gift won’t cost any in-game currencies (from their official website announcement)

[crystal dock]

hello guys, i’ve been having this question for a while. was it specified in any way that hacks are appropriate in beta? because i’ve been hearing on the chinese sky community that hacks are apparently approved....so i just wanna check in with you guys to see if this is true and make sure the right messages are passed on

[bitter lake]

I have a question, I'm new to this, how did beta players help live players thru office

[lyric wadi]

I keep trying to go away instead of typing here bytbi get chatnapped HALP

[sudden basin]

Beta players cannot help live players because we are in different servers

[tardy dune]

If you're talking about the limited beta capes given to the initial beta players, then that's different. Those were one time only capes given to very selective players and are not given out anymore
Otherwise. Beta and live are two different apps. They can't overlap

[finite meteor]

beta cant crossover to live, its two seperate apps

[compact jetty]

not free, but still need to buy with candles
cause some people think their hard work gone? so having new players to work hard for ultimate gifts sound fairer (of course I know 1000 is too much)

[dusky tundra]

Uh.. idk why some people are angry if ultimates come back as IAP
You will still have to pay money 🤷
Atleast its better than the current TS system and more people will accept it too cuz its an ultimate and not any regular cosmetic.

But well toxic people are everywhere and sky isn't any exception 🤷.. tho they are low numbers..

Regarding hacks idk.. @crystal dock but most hackers I see as chinese so 🤷
But in beta it isn't a big issue tho cuz it won't have any impact on the live game

[fallen forum]

When headphone cosmetic will be added for Android user T_T

[flat shadow]

I think ultimates should come back for IAP (maybe not £100 tho) I like lots of the ultimates and would happily pay £15-£20 for them to support veterans and keep it fair for them

[little hound]

I just sent a feedback regarding ults as a revamped, pricey IAPs. I think this is a win:win!

[lyric wadi]

!betalive yes, I waited 5 minutes to send this single line message

[gilded parrot]

Beta and Live versions of Sky are completely separate apps. Progress/purchases in one have no effect on progress/purchases in another.

[primal pagoda]

a lantern costs $20. do you think ultimates also worth just like the lantern

[deft belfry]

How did this whole conversation go to ultimates

[buoyant wasp]

In my opinion UGs should be costly and also have some kind of requirement before you can redeem them.

[silent lily]

Ok, first questioning done. I met 3 people (will not tell their country but they weren't from an English speaking one)
And they were like everyone else I've met... Nice and helpful... I asked them about clothes and questions like "do we have to buy clothes in this game", "can i make Friends after i look nice?" And all other stuff, Their answers included "no, don't worry,the people who say that are bad, avoid them. , " There are a lot of nice ppl, avoid the bad people", "no this game is about saving spirits and making friends"

Just 3 ppl were there, they even went on and offered Candles, which not many do. And i have not just 2 visible stars on the cape, brown cape, moth hair, and basic call, everything default, so they couldn't suspect.
I will ask more ppl questions. Later and tell here 😊
(You can scroll up and see the last few Messages from me here if youre confused what I'm doing)

[dusky tundra]

Ultimates should be minimum $2 to maximum $5 depending on the cosmetic I think cuz its only one cosmetic.. and it was $10 for the complete season pass which gave u everything.. idk 🤷

Yeah lantern was $20.. but the pass itself was $10 how can be the ultimate costlier than the pass?

[ocean heart]

A lantern was like 20 usd bro

[daring parrot]

hm. Maybe it is a communism after all. We are being watched

[rapid ether]

hey guys, im new in the beta so in my market there is only orange cape, is it normal? or there should be another things too?

[flat shadow]

Hmmmm it was £20 for the lantern and candles? So maybe just £20 for ultimates no candles?

[void mica]

Good evening, everyone

[prisma swallow]

This sounds good, like maybe having at least 4 out of 6 constellations complete

[hollow compass]

Players who were given the beta cape got the cape in both beta and Live, after having made sure to connect their respective games to the same GC account. They could then begin to take the first players without capes there, who in turn bought the Founder's cape and so on and so on. 🙂

[agile cape]

I think UG should be resold but change slightly, we will have pink, blue, red, purple yellow jellyfish umbrella

[atomic dirge]

to everyone in this chat, dont stress out about all of this~

take some break to get water and fresh air and think about something else too yknow cuz it's very unhealthy if you keep thinking of all of these too much
the staffs normal humans and let the others discuss about it too~

[rustic imp]

hacking the game is not approved and I don't think it ever will be. It's written in the game's Terms of Services that you cannot hack. Hacking is actively harming TGC, so please do report people who are hacking to help TGC out.

[compact jetty]

like what's the acceptable price for everyone?

[little hound]

Oh my goodness. No ultimate should be priced cheaper than Beta Cape (in my opinion). They should have a price that justifies their value in game!

[deft belfry]

Then people already have UG will want the different color "UG"

[thin shell]

the real ultimate gift is the friends that we made during the season

[silent lily]

@compact jetty 999 USD ||(jk)||
Maybe like 10-20 depending on the item , but it shouldn't be equal to or cheaper than an AP

[teal glen]

I paid 14 for a hat 🧍🏽‍♂️ but I think the price has to be something that veteran players are happy with, that they feel reflects the time they've spent loving the game and the effort it takes to get an ultimate gift. I liked the idea that there be some kind of prerequisite to buying any UG that reflects the effort put in during a season to grind for items. Time limit would also be good. But for the sake of my wallet please no more than $30 USD

[hasty vessel]

allow new players to get old items but allow old players to keep the authenticity of their items - UG should be recoloured if they return

[tulip chasm]

No. First, If this is communism negative criticism would have been censored. 2nd: Selling ultimate gifts real real money on sky is nothing but capitalistic

[ocean heart]

I think 30 usd is enough for an ultimate gift. To make it more fair we should make it so the players have to meet a certain requirement whether its how many constellations you have finished or whatever,

[daring parrot]

some of us arent likeable so dont flex with your friends on us, alright? were not talking about friends but about cosmetics

[buoyant wasp]

Think about it, UGs are tied to a AP which is $10 + you need to play the whole season (70 days) to redeem it, the most fair for me conditions are:

• Bring back at least with $10+ price
• Have some missions/requirements that requires time to complete, so you'll be able to redeem the UGs

iirc, Jenova in a livestream (JP Vol.4) said that they were thinking about bringing back UGs with an option that you could purchase with real money, after you get every single TS of the specific UG season, that is exactly the idea: IAP + time invested.

[reef light]

🇭 🇮

[flat shadow]

Ooooh I would love to see the recolours, that’s actually a great solution!! But I don’t know whether TGC will? When they brought back the Halloween items they didn’t get recoloured even though they were exclusive last year?

[dusky tundra]

Umm.. I don't think ultimates should be like $20-$30 cuz.. come on.. the pass which gave you the ultimate gift, seasonal Cosmetics, emotes and some candles cost $10 itself..
There's no reason to sell 1 cosmetic for $20-30.. and they shouldn't justify the price by adding candles like they do to every exclusive cosmetic like the lantern and the halloween items..

However real money + ingame currency can be a good option

[void mica]

🇾 🇪 🇦 🇭

[little hound]

If you come to think of it, ults were rewarded to players who completed a season. If we compute the seasonal candles needed to complete a season, (Prophecy totaled 330), that would be the price for the ult. But that would be too expensive so I hope you understand why ults should be pricey.

[deft belfry]

what if we complete every TS of that season THEN are able to get the Ultimate Gift?

[compact jetty]

I think it shouldn't be too pricey, at least not for the first few seasons. otherwise it's really unfair to Android players. we're willing to do additional quests to and spent time to get it.

[ruby orbit]

Guys...
 can somebody tell me the cost of the level 3 emote of karate spirit?

[ocean heart]

Maybe make ug a goal to work too? Like make it so they have to have finished every constellation plus having a set amount of white candles, and then pay like 20 usd or more, im not sure just an idea to make the ug seem more like an achievement instead of something of time and stuff

[buoyant wasp]

Found it, to anyone who's interested to hear a little from Jenova himself about Ultimate Gifts returning: https://youtu.be/Q4YrB4lLXTs?t=2080 (already skipped to that part)

[dusky tundra]

Well.. they can make real money + candles and/or hearts to buy the ultimate and then keep the price lower.. so that newer players would have to grind for them too..

[agile cape]

I think we should have the weapons to hit the shrimp because I'm pretty bitter about the shrimp

[sudden flower]

nah, the $10 for the AP (and ult.) is for veterans who were there and worked through the season, it'd be totally unfair to them if you could just buy the ult for much less (speaking as android moff)-- like that price should be their reward for having grinded through that entire season yknow? so ultimates should be quite a bit more than $10 if they come back.

also, $2 isn't even enough to buy half a coffee in california lol, TGC would go bankrupt with those prices

[stoic saddle]

what time they will invite

[compact jetty]

when I was new to sky I thought I could 💥 💥 💥 crabs with the wand

[teal glen]

UGs are a culmination of effort and completion of a season. Time should be a requirement to get it as should money, and it should feel like an achievement. but i dont agree with the constellation requirement. Also not necessarily with the TS completion. Constellations take way more time to complete, whereas in 70 days, you can get an ultimate gift even if it's your first season playing. TS cycles are also completely random and is isn't fair to newer players who didn't get a TS before they started playing and have no clue when it will come again.

Maybe UG is like $20 to simulate the AP. plus maybe a decent amount of AC to accompany the price? there aren't many uses for AC in the game besides resize and spirits/friends and those don't cost much. imo i think the grind would be equivalentish to a season.

[buoyant wasp]

Invite waves are over, check Ktjn last message in #beta-signup-info
it will take some months to invite links appear again

[little hound]

When thinking about ults prices, please consider the number of seasonal candles needed to complete a season.

[agile geode]

Hundreds upon hundreds

[rapid reef]

I'll throw in my two cents because I've had this talk with someone.
But I think that UG coming back is a good thing, as keeping them away will eventually come back to bite TGC. Me and the person discussed it in lenght and we both agreed that UG should be IAP, but you'd need to get all the items from the season before you can purchase the UG for said season. So not only will player that didn't play the season will have to grind, they will also need to wait for the TS and eventually buy the UG, which will support TGC while also make it so that veteran didn't waste money and effort as the newer player have to invest just as much time and effort just to make an in-game purchase.
Anyway-- That was just my opinion on UG coming back.
Edit; typos because it's 5AM and I didn't sleep. I'm sorry.

[fallen forum]

Request to add "Auto skip all cut scenes" and "Auto skip Valley races" for lazy people like me

[verbal halo]

There are few qualifications for IOS,I didn't get the qualification

[deft belfry]

Im going to go sneep! its 3 am lol Goodnight!

[tired canyon]

I need friends that can light up everyday in beta

[agile cape]

I think we should promote TS system change by reducing the price for pass holders and keeping the same for those who don't, which is the most balanced way.
As for UG, we should consider its price, it has value other than just money but not to the point of not being able to bring it back.

[buoyant wasp]

You might find some in #beta-looking-for-group

[gray tangle]

slowmode check, and heading out bcs spoilers
hi and bye skids

[dusky tundra]

Pass holders would get the branched items for free

[lucid tendon]

Hiiiiii! The live and the beta kid shouldn't be the same in both games? 😯

[agile cape]

What I wonder is why people don't just come up with the best way, they're just arguing about the rights of free and paid players. We find a solution to reconcile the two simply because we all know that everyone has their own desires

[buoyant wasp]

!betalive

[gilded parrot]

Beta and Live versions of Sky are completely separate apps. Progress/purchases in one have no effect on progress/purchases in another.

[kindred fossil]

if you're new to beta testing please give #beta-faq a read, it'll answer your questions as well as explain the beta process and what to except

[quiet gull]

Damn there's a lot of bugs in beta. A while ago me and my friend are collecting winged lights in wasteland. On the third area where there is only 1 krill, we got attacked. We didn't see the krill but we see the red color, only to find out he's under the map 😦 oh and when he dissappeared there's like flasshing lights (blue and red) and it lasted for 15 secs

[limpid frigate]

I am curious, do y'all think we will have an IAP for Christmas?

[dusky tundra]

??
Something wrong 😟 ... I was saying in general that pass holders would get the locked items for free and f2p the regular price

[gray tangle]

maybe a santa hat?? :00
they brought back pumpkin hat and bat cape for halloween

[prisma swallow]

I hope they have an IAP like the winter musicians pack again

[silent lily]

Not "an" iap, maybe more than one

[tardy dune]

Santa hat was the IAP last year I think?

[agile cape]

I mean the kind we should aim to comment for change because that's positive, I don't deny your opinion.

[elder musk]

The ultimate gift is the reward for completing the season. The game rules set to acquire that item: the player to gave the AP and complete all season spirit friendship trees. The only way to bring the ultimate back is under the same game rules. tgc previously stated they don’t intend to bring back seasons. Therefore, similar conditions to grant access to ultimate gift would need to be created: AP and completing all ts under that season. The current ts system plans to introduce AP, to recreate similar conditions like during season. One element missing though: the option to choose which ts to grind for. So, questions to tgc: 1) will there be freedom to choose which season spirit to relive 2) if all spirits completed under a season, will the ultimate gift become available to the player? These questions need answers, esp. before Nintendo Switch launch, as it will introduce a whole new universe of players to a game with 2 years worth of events to catch up with.

[lucid tendon]

I did I diiiiid! I'm just still confused how others have such high amount of winged light and cool outfits while I'm a moth 😂

[kindred fossil]

oh, haha! 😅
those are most likely old beta testers from previous seasons, i've been an active beta tester since mid-enchantment

[blazing fjord]

hi

[limpid frigate]

OH OH- now I am even more excited- imagine if we get Christmas lights?-

||lmao the cooldown||

[dusky tundra]

Neon lights capes.. tip top tip top 🤣 🤣

[prisma swallow]

What about a snowball cosmetic that you get to throw on your friends for fun (not a competitive thing obv just for fun), or a snowman

[drowsy wave]

When I first joined Sky, I thought if we finished all the spirits of a particular past season through travelling spirits , we will get the ultimate gifts haha. Well that seems to be a good idea tho+ real money equivalent to pass for equality purposes.

[blissful lintel]

Hello

[quiet gull]

What is IAP???

[limpid frigate]

Omg that would be a perfect mini game- 8

In game purchase=IAP

[queen pivot]

Hi I'm aware that beta invites are already closed,, but as for those who are already a beta tester yet cannot get the sky beta app on android, how long would it take before we can get the app?

[untold lava]

in app purchases

[astral salmon]

between days and never for some :/

[agile cape]

That's why I said that pass buyers still get the item for free, and those who don't pay the candles as usual.

[odd field]

google are so slow so it might take sometimes. i am a tester during prophecy and it took me 2 weeks to be able to download beta due to google's slowness.

[rich stream]

when I got into beta testing, the app was not downloadable for me for well over a month. this was back in october iirc (it was just before prophecy started, i cant remember when that was lol). at that time, there were players who had been waiting since June. Google did open the app up to be available for more people, but I don't know if it reverted back to not being available after that. I just know that people who werent testers at the time were also able to download the app

So only thing I can tell you for sure as someone who was in your boat, you could be waiting anywhere from days to months.

[limpid frigate]

It depends, sometimes it can take days, other times even weeks, you can check the #beta-faq there's a message posted the 12 of June it's a recommendation if you want to speed up the process but it's not a guaranteed fix

[valid terrace]

Is the slowmode calmer now, or still huge?

[north cliff]

will ice rink be instead of water in home??

[kindred fossil]

we don't know, but i'm hoping, i really miss the home ice rink

[placid linden]

maybe a new Xmas theme home

[leaden sage]

Hellooooooo

[brazen talon]

Is da slowmode still 15 mins?
Oooo nice a 10 min reduction to slowmode
Still kinda long for me though but its better than 15 😔 😔

[runic path]

May I ask a question.. how many moth friend you have that still been active after you friended them 1 month later
I have none... It's too hard for a moth to grow up for some reason

[opaque musk]

So.. about the ts what do you guys think?

[reef light]

🇮 🇲 🇷 🇪 🇦🇩 🇾 🇮 🇲 🇷 🇪 🇦 🇩 🇾 🇹 🇪 🇸 🇹 🇧 🇪 🇹 🇦

[valid terrace]

please can we not bring up the TS again

please put your constructive opinions in #beta-feedback , and how it affects YOU not OTHERS

[prisma swallow]

Please do not spam emojis or write normal sentences as emojis, it clogs the chat

About the TS, I personally think AP holders should have certain items free while the others have regular candle prices

[crude turret]

we can in fact discuss the ts matter in here but not put walls of text more worth in the feedback channel

[steady pond]

it IS a point of discussion important to people so i dont see why discussions shouldnt continue in a discussion channel unless it gets heated and/or more suited for the feedback channel. i think its important to hear peoples POVs too

[limpid frigate]

It's true that we can discuss but I think we already discussed about it enough, it's just too much...

[astral salmon]

i have a question for those who bought the new white cape and or black cape ascended nodes : do you still get 2 buffs from those spirits in orbit? as the node is now hidden
btw do you still see these capes in the spirits tree or are they hidden to you too? tyy

[dusky tundra]

How to waste slowmode time 101

[valid terrace]

I take what I blathered back.
You can discuss the TS, but I just found the atmosphere with the huge posts of 15 min slowmode somewhat uncomfortable zotsitdfzgosgkskgsgi

[minor falcon]

we'll get our cozy beta gen back in a couple months /j on a more serious note, I think it's good that people chime in on tbe discussion, even if it will dominate the airwaves for a bit

[prisma swallow]

Hmm im eagerly waiting to test the new season lol, my exams just got over and I have nothing better to do

[astral salmon]

learn how to code

[elder musk]

Proposed TS system is a beta feature so I think discussions should continue. If the “wall of text” reference is for my post: that’s the shortest version that includes supporting arguments. I already put a longer version in the feedback channel. Precisely because of the slowmode, all arguments had to stay in one post. And the feedback represents my experience as I participated in all season in Live.

[crude turret]

then how about we brainstorm on ways and prices for both the ap matter and maybe a new way to make cr more interesting/less hard?
I believe it would be interesting, as nyx said, the second node cosmetic be free for ap holders (or discounted) and having the normal price as well, as even if it's hard to cr everyday, it does be doable?

[limpid frigate]

Bro- i can't send a pic on beta screenshot channel cause it says that is explicit. It literally is just a pic of the symbol of the back of the sky kids lmao <•> that one

[agile cape]

I still think that those who buy the pass will still get the item for free, and the person who doesn't pay the candle as usual.

[little hound]

I have a feeling there will be two Winter Packs this year like what they did to the Halloween event. One pack from last year, the other will be a completely different one, like IDK, a bobsled for Valley Race

[azure lily]

I wanna know how they plan to bring back ults, but in my opinion they should bring it back for the people who payed for that season pass but didn't get the ult.
Edit: it mentions somewhere they plan to bring back ults. and yes, I did get the lightseekers pass but not the ult. I also belive it should be not for real money.

[odd field]

im ✨ broke ✨

[thin shell]

hi

[limpid frigate]

/screams in "android player"

[valid terrace]

I need to go to Eden again for the chibi mask - it’s 2 more ascandles to ascend H/S Pioneer

[azure lily]

well right now for the two season ults that really matter there are already slightly worse versions available and the ults are the only real way to show of how long you've been playing so far Also, yeah I need eden as well for the chibi mask but ive been holding off for a freind I met in beta.

[crude turret]

I think that if let's say, a ts have 2 items, a mask being 30 candles and a cape being 60
the total would be 90, but if we count the previous ts nodes, the mask would come before and the cape last, making the cape free with this scheme. of course it's kinda ridiculous to do so, so maybe the cape will come first as 60 candles and the mask for free. still, farming daily for candles is a hassle (remember that this is the reason this ts system appeared) but if we say 60 candles for the whole ts I think this is too cheap... maybe if it were 75 candles, being 60 for the main cosmetic (cape) and half the price for the second cosmetic (mask)
but, if we count it with the current season mechanics, the mask would be first and the cape second, saying it isn't a "free cape" when the season was current. so it might be easier to repeat the original seasonal tree
do I know what i'm saying? nope
just blabbering a scheme to see if someone will like it or create another

[limpid frigate]

Wha- why do you need to "show of how long" you've been playing?-

[gentle creek]

Aside from being able to ''flex'' I see no reason tbh.

[silent lily]

I thought The ts trees will mimic what they were in season?

[spark lance]

Guess they want to feel superior and flex

[valid terrace]

I got only 5.5 asc. from my first one yesterday - I had literally 20 lights

I’ll gather up a couple (say, get to ~40), then go again
Eden in Beta is a very different experience for me - I can’t just run in and go wild because I have so many lights, I need to be cautious because I have so few...making sure to not get whammed down by the hail and lose precious light, as I need it

[spice mason]

Honestly what should show how long you've been playing is the friends you've made and your skill. Not your cosmetics. ...

[flat shadow]

Surely the pendants show that as well? Ulimates shouldn’t just be for flexing, people love to make looks for their sky kids? and make them look super cute? So I don’t know why there should be this segregation between veterans and new players who just wanna wear old cosmetics?

[random gull]

as someone who’s been around since rhythm, I agree with this. my show of how long I’ve been playing is to talk about when spam callign made fill your entire screen. or talk about standing by the ledge to get into birds nest and screaming until someone flew me up on top so I could get in. I wear cosmetics for aesthetic not for benchmarks of my time on sky.

[amber delta]

So there will always be the need to have the pass, which is an aberration.

[rich plover]

👀🍵

[azure lily]

You can't see the pendents on the newer season capes. also I don't necessarily agree with the argument I've just made. I have seen it being brought up in the past. but I'm just saying if they do bring back ults they should either give the people with the pass from that season an advantage or let them be able to have it first. I dunno. I just kick myself daily for not getting the lightseekers ult

[crude turret]

some people have a feeling they have to flex just for flexing. nothing better than using past ultimates to do so
still, if they want proof that they played a certain season the pendants exist. but it's not as flashy as a huge deer mask, so they won't open from letting everyone have them too and start being toxic...

not really @amber delta , as I said before that message, having the pass option and free option is a good thing, I only discussed the pass matter this time

[limpid frigate]

But that wouldn't be fair for android players that couldn't get to play the early seasons...If they bring them back aleast it should be for all players at the same time..

[spice mason]

When I uber people. They always talk about how good I am at flying. Or that I'm.. cool. As a person. Rather than "how cool I look." Which is always just. A big win for me. The cosmetics are just a bonus.

[agile geode]

Its a sense of accomplishment, I would love for ults to come back, but in different colors. (Not the flexing bit, those people are the worst)

[odd field]

i was panicked when i saw 2 hackers as soon as i lighted them. manages to report them and see how frustated they got when a random moff spilled their beans

[gentle creek]

Hair pieces p much have the same color tho lol;;

[flat shadow]

Same!! I’ve been playing since rhythm and I just love the cosmetics and making my sky kid look nice? That’s why I’m so excited for the next season!!! I wanna see what that bunny mask looks like so badly!!

But, if new players should have to pay real money (which is definitely fair and should be that way) then how come veterans who didn’t get the ults expect to get ‘advantages’- Sky isn’t about who has what and there should be advantages between players, we’re all Sky kids just playing the game and supporting the devs and community? Having a divid in the community tears it apart, when some people expect to have advantages?

[fallen forum]

Please dont set AP to the TS emotes at least.. emotes are one of the way turning stranger to friend

[lean badge]

I'm am In but I still can't get download link in android.

[valid terrace]

I’m still embarrassed at that hacker with the Ultbrella with the fact it took a couple minutes for it to click

[rich plover]

Just don't bring back ult game

[spark lance]

Does anyone have more info on the new shepherd system or whatever its called?

[azure lily]

So I think that people who already payed real money for the pass that the ult came from should be able to get it free... and the people who didn't already have the pass should be able to pay reall money for the thing, but it would be a differnt colour for them as stated above.

[limpid frigate]

I love that idea, I would feel really happy to have an ults even if it's in a different color

[spark lance]

I'm sorry I have a question for someone who is familiar with the beta version. Can I send a DM?

[spice mason]

Like.. imagine the ultbrella but with golden highlights. Or the rhythm hair with a purple tint- and silver hair tie...
Different enough but still.. kind of a way to have the items. ..

[random gull]

I had the opportunity to join during belonging had I owned (or borrowed) ana ios device at the time because someone told me about the game in like late November last year. The person who invited me was convinced android was coming soon and told me to just wait. ANdroid did not come soon and come January that friend got impatient and gave me their ipad to play until android released. So I am a little bitter that I missed out on bonfire when I could have been there for it had android been available. The ults conversations always give me bad feelings because you have people who want to hoard things and say “no only MINE” and I just don’t get that. On a game about sharing and altruism especially I wouldn’t care if new players got my rhythm ults or any of the ults I have afterward. I’ve spent so much money on this game already and really my only thing is that the ults not be in-game currency which it’s been established they won’t be.

[crude turret]

the main complain from the old veterans that don't want ultimates back is because TGC said it was a one time only thing and that they paid real money for that, bringing it back is just deceiving those who bought it
but the ts system didn't exist at some point at people didn't like it at the start because of that complain. but it turned out fast enough to be a marvelous mechanic. but there's still people complaining of being deceived of the "one time only" thingy. but the game changes, for the better, and TGC want to come back with ultimates for that reason

also, I don't understand that "different color" ultimates, what do you mean?

[gentle creek]

I don't really understand the different color ultimate idea either, like what's wrong with the items looking the same lol;;

[little hound]

How about this.
The players who managed to buy a pass from the past season should get the same ult reward for a certain price. Those who didn’t have the pass can also get the ult reward for a certain price AND a different look from the original ult.

[coarse cape]

Like, beta cape and office cape situation?

[rapid reef]

I don't want a different coloured ultimate as much as I don't want other player to have different coloured variant of the ultimate gift I all ready have. If someone want the manta cape, I want them to have the exact same as mine. Not a bootleg coloured variant to make me feel "special". I just feel like it's weird.

[agile geode]

**Here’s a solution for both the TS and Ult/pendant problem:
Traveling spirits should not have any lock on them. I buy APs for the ultimate gifts, pendant, and early access to these spirits. F2P players should bd able to at least collect items from traveling spirits with all the constant grinding while AP holders get a discount.

As for pendants? I don’t think pendants should come back in anyway, shape, or form.

Lastly, ultimate gifts from these seasons. They should come back in different colors instead of the OG colors, like a blue deer with silver horns, a yellow shroom umbrella, the owl hair in a different hue maybe

This is the best thing we can do. Keeps old and new players happy, P2P and F2P players happy, the best compromise. Veterans don’t lose the sense of accomplishment from ultimate gifts while newer players get renewed deer masks. Just like how we got the tgc cape as an alternative beta cape.
Okay thats all, thanks for reading**

[azure lily]

Just saying that sounds better than what the people who already have it got... what if they made the different colour noticeable and... like... not look better? You could just make the items darker/lighter depending on the ult. it's like the beta cape would look like it did but the founders cape was gold on the outside with the TGC lining. I do understand your argument but this is coming from a person who played during light seekers, got the pass, but only finished the crab call spirit and... that's the only spirit I got...
edit: I'm just saying all the have to do is add a white streack to the bottom or something

[limpid frigate]

It's just a color.....

[vapid fractal]

I wish I had more time to play beta and even live actually-

[spice mason]

I mean I couldn't care less about people having the ults that I have.

And.. colour is subjective. Some people probably don't like the things I mentioned.

I wouldn't say what I suggested is.. "objectively better than what people have."

[spark lance]

At this point I feel like you want ugly color for the ults if they come back

[spark lance]

How is it deceiving those who have it? Remember when the piano came to season of rythem, that item was only available in the shop before the season came out but the people who paid for it got the season for free, its not about deceiving anyone this is about being selfish we cant deny that, people who dont want ults to come back are the think that its rare and that you don’t see it a lot making it more special for them, again being selfish, this is a game about sharing and everything that old players have should be available to new players as well end of discussion.

[valid terrace]

ok uh

I’m the proud owner of a handpan, talking drum, and manta cape, and The Mask, all of which I treasure dearly.

Honestly, I’d love to see newer players who wouldn’t have gotten the opportunity at all otherwise have them, but as you said, the trouble is the way to tell the difference between those who have had it from the start and the hypothetical recent owners.
I’ll get back to that one, I’ll think about it.

Honestly, I’d rather they not do any colour changes - they’re not touching my Anubis mask in any circumstances. It’s perfect the way it is, it deserves no ‘tweaking’. It makes complete sense for what it is.
There’d also be no point regarding the instruments; their palettes were crafted around the seasonal aesthetic, and should be kept as such.
The manta cape would make no sense to be different.

And what if those present for the season prefer the recolours?

[magic lion]

when were the last progress wipes?

[amber delta]

I have less and less confidence in tgc because they restrict Sky.
People who want to prove that they were present in a past season and don't want ts to be free are annoying. They feel their need for superiority in the game, they don't want normal people to become like them. They are a problem for gambling, tgc should rather open up gambling to newcomers than restrict it.

[main wyvern]

What's the latest update about ultimate gifts returning as IAP?

[azure lily]

No I'm saying for the umbrella they make the lights white instead of thier current colour the aunubis mask could tweack the colour of the mask and make it slightly darker grey.... rhythm hair could be a different tint, deer mask could have differnt colour antlers bt not by much... I like the ults and new people should get them.

[lucid star]

Personally, as someone who has the pass for prophecy, I would be perfectly fine with the drum and anubis mask coming back. I don't really see them as a status symbol because that kind of ruins the game for me. Why would I want to keep others from the childish joy I have slapping that huge obnoxious drum? Plus the anubis mask is perfect as it is and to hold it over people by saying mine is better because it's black and therefore "the original" would just make me feel like a jerk.

[rapid reef]

Okay, let me put it this way for those that don't want the UG to come back and if they do, to be different so they can stay "unique";
With the new TS system that TGC are trying to introduce, those new players that will aim for the UGs will have worked and payed just like you did to get those ultimate gift. Would you truly want their time to go down the drain because you want to be unique? It feel a bit selfish IMO, while I understand since now that everyone has the anubis mask, I stopped wearing it because it feel redundant to see it everywhere. But who genuinely care? It's just a cosmetic and they'll end up having the same paywall and need to complet the TS before getting the UG, like you guys did. Plus, they have to pay extras candles. To me, it sound fair for them to receive the very same ultimate gift.

[agile geode]

These color changes aren’t supposed to look bad, who doesn’t want a blue deer mask

[jaunty grail]

I think I speak for a lot of people when I say that making TS stuff for Adventure Pass only is not the best decision.
The whole point of the TS is that the players who missed it will get a chance to collect the rewards. And about the Veterans' side, they got that stuff a lot before compared to the time when the new players would get it. The TS comes back from 'previous' seasons, seasons which are long and done. The veterans have got their stuff. Honestly, making the TS high-priced is certainly a better decision than making it Adventure Pass exclusive.
Sky is rated 7+ on Google Play, which meaning anyone who is above or 7 can play the game. Now, is it correct to expect as young as 8 year olds to pay for stuff of 'previous' seasons, which are long and done. TGC needs to realise that there are a lot of F2P players who grind every single day to collect candles. Sky's orginal storyline can be completed in a short time, the TS is one of the factors to keep it going. F2P players may be those who cannot afford it. I think they deserve to get a decent amount of experience from the game too.
As far as the thing of 'real money' is considered, the F2P players do grind every single day (maybe even 3+ hours) for collecting wax everyday. I'm not saying that it compensates for Veterans spending real money but we have heard the saying 'Time is money'

[wind dawn]

Exactly, idk abt others but I don’t play sky for the feeling of superiority. I actually like it better when my friends can finally buy the AP items from TS

[stark cloud]

Oh ic..ts thingy talk still on going..

[elder musk]

I am a long-time player and my opinion that I shared earlier today remains. The ultimate gift is called a gift, because the player completed the season, based on the set game rules. Every season is like a mini game. Participation in the mini game 1) is voluntary, and 2) the reward cannot be replaced with iap. I believe same game rules need to be established to acquire the ultimate gift (AP+completion of all seasons spirits in their travelling form) so players can appreciate it as a reward for their efforts.

[agile cape]

They can simply do it by just making friends with someone they know and discussing how to dress. Why should they be so concerned with seeing a stranger dressed like them? Didn't everyone glimpse each other like a shadow?

[spark lance]

They’re just selfishly lmao and they can’t even admit it

[spice mason]

I mean. Android players NEVER got the chance to get these items because of our choice of platform. I think they should come back in some form. ^^"

[amber delta]

There is no difference to make

[valid terrace]

I’d love to see them return, but colour changes would in a sense spoil the point
The Ults are designed within the aesthetics of their respective seasons

(as clarification, the Anubis thing is attachment - I love the mask dearly, and would much much rather see people happy about it should the returning thing happen
it’s really really beautiful to me, others deserve to uphold that beauty, not a ‘watered-down’ version)

[desert mango]

Android players and iOS that missed past ultimate gifts should get a chance to get them using real money sometime in the future ...this means that money must be put into the price and the time spent completing the season to get ... as for f2p players I think their is enough free stuff in sky already including upcoming season free stuff ....

People keep saying about the ones who payed money against the ones who spent time ... the thing is the ones who spent money also spent their time just as much ..
you can’t compare the ones who spend money and the ones who spend time because the ones who spend money spend their time equally ... what makes people think that when you pay you don’t farm as much ??? This really is not true at all 🤍🕊️🤍

[crude turret]

remember to discuss it and not become agressive on the way, the conversation is getting heavier at this point

[dusky tundra]

I bought the yellow Ascended cape.. and its so beautiful 😍😍😍😍😍
I can't wait for them to go live and more wingbuffs for us too 😋 😋 😋 😋 😋

[azure lily]

I'm just pointing out the fact that the founders cape exists and it looks a lot like the beta cape but differnt enough. both capes look nice. some people prefer founder cape and other prefer beta cape. It is thanking beta testers for beta testing the game. the ults are like thanking the player for investing money into the game. the ults should come back, but I don't wanna have to buy another 15 dollors for an umbrella that for a season that I already payed 15 dollors for. Now I'm gonna leave and go play sky

[vocal crater]

The problem is, the ultimate gifts are there so players bought the pass.
Without its two exclusive items, why buy the pass?
If the ultimate become accessible to everyone there is there would be no more motivation to buy the pass. Bc you can juste wait to get it free!
It is not a matter of being selfish. This is because TGC must be paid for their free play. And the passes are surely a big revenue of money

[terse flame]

For a game about friendship there sure is a lot of heat about items being “exclusive” and a “status symbol”
This is supposed to be a fun game for kids and friends
The fact this conversation is still going on despite all the numerous solutions proposed really makes me wonder where the priorities are

[main wyvern]

Simply put, if letting others have what you have is an issue, then you have problems.

[agile cape]

That's why I said let pass holders get a discount and those who don't have to pay the same price as before.

[spark lance]

Its just sad man, anyways im off

[agile geode]

Its not a matter of being selfish at all. And it disappoints me people now stereotype veterans as selfish because of a few. By your logic, the beta cape should come back, but it won’t. Before anyone brings up the fact beta players supported the game, EVERYONE supports sky, someone recommends sky to a friend? Thats supporting

[spice mason]

I said this a while ago:
But maybe the ultimate gifts should be a limited time purchase for a season's anniversary? The event lasts a few days.. like days of -insert here-

. It stops the risk of over saturation.

[jaunty grail]

Maybe the ultimate gifts could be put on hold for now, but the TS shouldn't be pass exclusive. I said what I said.

[runic path]

can't agree more.

[maiden minnow]

Monstads Hashbrowns taste epic

[amber delta]

You get the items before so no I don't see

[little hound]

On a more important note, why are we even arguing about ults when the actual problem here is the new TS system

[light mauve]

I mean, not all of us can have everything right? I don’t think ults should come back because it’s an ultimate reward
You h a v e to have completed *the things in the season to get it

[hollow mortar]

Sad but true

[azure lily]

Sry

[lucid star]

Using the term status symbol sort of implies we can have a status in Sky, which is really confusing to me because the only people I see are my friends??

[elder musk]

Ultimates are tied to the seasons, bringing in AP to the ts system begs the question if it means ultimates will be making a return, too 🤔 So that’s why I think the topic of ultimate gifts came up.

[stark cloud]

Sorry to say..but can i have 3 ts for next week? I can afford 5 ts actually..

Oh shoot..i mean at live server

[terse flame]

The thing is I think AP items should come back with radically different color changes so you know which is which like instead of purple whatever it’s green or whatever other color
AP holders can get a discount or for free same with normal TS items that ARE NOT locked away behind a paywall
That’s my final thoughts about this situation I’m quite tired and drained talking at length about “how not everyone can pay for the pass” and the fact I have to remind people about that fact shows close mindedness
This may come off rude but I am tired, I just woke up and it’s seven in the morning. I have to go to class now

[gentle creek]

Android users never had access to sky until April 7, 2020, Meaning they literally couldn't participate even if they wanted to because they didn't get iPhones, that ain't their fault.
If ults are coming back then pleeease at least give android users a chance good lord-
P.S I'm IOS so don't get any wrong ideas please;;
A list of seasons that android users missed for reference btw
-Gratitude(2019)
-Lightseekers(2019)
-Belonging (2019)
-Rhythm (Ended march 2020)

[vocal crater]

It makes money think above all. Sorry but in this situation you have to think about money, Sky is a free game, TGC needs to be paid, changing the fact of having exclusive Items would be dangerous to TGC

[crude turret]

again for the ts system, did you know the actual reason why it started with this scheme?
it's because people are upset because candle running everyday 3 hours a day is too tiring. why don't we try to think on another way to make candle collecting more fun or less tiring or a new ts system?
i once thought of buying "candle packs" with hearts, but in a way it's only profitable with hearts sent by friends and not trades. like 2 hearts for 3 candles, (where you would have to spend 6 candles on trading and win 3 back, therefore not worth it)

[limpid frigate]

Hmm one of my friends suggested this. He is a veteran:
"A good way of bringing back the ultimate would by events. For example, first and event for the ults from season of gratitude; you need to have an adventure pass from the current season of an adventure pass from a past season. The event would last one week, during this week you have to find candles from that characteristic season but it's not that easy, they are distributed through the map and you will receive a hint from the quest giver. Once you got them all, the last day of the event the boat will arrive home with the quest giver of the season, in this case, Gratitude quest giver and you will be able to buy both ults, each one for 21 candles that you collected. I think this will also be a way to put effort in obtaining this ults, just as the players that played that season and got the ults"

He's basically suggesting a scavenger hunt that would be also fun

[waxen parcel]

It's not about the discussion but... Is it okay to report the bug by testflight directly? Not using discord?

[maiden minnow]

We just kinda have to accept it TwT.

But there will also be more ultimate gifts in the future eventually, so we should also think about the future and not just the past. And if you assume that I'm a vet that just wants to keep my status, I started in Sanctuary. But I've already come to terms with never having the black mask from Rhythm.

I know it's ultimate, and I know it's never coming back. But I also hope that something similar will come back one day.

[rich stream]

Honestly, I don't care about whether Ult Gifts come back or not. I do understand why veterans would be upset, and no, I don't believe that makes them selfish. In a monetary sense, they're paying for those gifts with real money and the promise that it was a one time thing. I don't mind not having those items just because I missed the season. The only thing that bothers me is the possibility of the TS items being locked behind the AP paywall. Not everyone can afford passes. We're in a pandemic, people are struggling, a HUGE number of players are children, etc. I like the concept of traveling spirits because the items become free after a long enough point. I would have no problem with those items coming back for free for everyone. But I do personally think that ults should remain special. And I also understand people will not agree. This is just how I personally see it. Paying players keep their ultimate gifts, and free players get some new cosmetics but not the ult. Not even with making it different by changing the colors.

Two very separate topics of discussion. Work on one at a time. For now, I don't like the idea of having to pay for TS items And I genuinely think that if people are required to start having a pass for traveling spirits, a lot of players will delete the app. Based off of the discussions the night this was first revealed a while back, and even now.

[silent lily]

Btw no need to tell if they're a veteran or not. Their suggestion will matter the same even if they are a moth or veteran

[light mauve]

It doesn’t have to be a status, it’s only a status if the wearer thinks it is, but honestly it’s just a reward for someone who completed the entire season. You can’t expect someone who’s never done it to just get it cuz it’s not fair since they’re new. Please remember it’s a r e w a r d, and just because you have it doesn’t mean you necessarily deserve more respect than another sky kid who doesn’t.

[spice mason]

I'd imagine the ults themselves would be more expensive than a season pass. It wouldn't harm the pass sales at all. Like. Who wouldn't want an item sooner and for less money?.. taking in my "anniversary sales" idea into account.

[spark lance]

I love this idea

[terse flame]

Plus you have to think about people buying candle packs
TGC will make money off that and merch
AP are not the only way to make money for them

[azure lily]

I think that people who have the pass for the season ult in question should get the ult for freeeeeeeeee. it would be fair as they already payed the moneyyyyyy

[dense whale]

/Candles packs are too expensive for some of us, as well as merchs. For many where i live, the only way they're paying is the AP

[little idol]

When will Beta be updated

[agile geode]

who else is tired from these debates

[sharp hill]

me

[limpid frigate]

I said it because I think is good to know from who's perspective is this idea coming. New players might have a different perspective and idea

[crude turret]

this idea is nice, but even if it's a lot of fun for us, it have to be profitable for TGC as well. maybe an event pass costing half the price of an adventure pass.

yall remember to give suggestions in feedback channel too!

[radiant drum]

Please report them here in discord! It’s the devs’ preferred way as they can more easily gather reports and search for specific bugs and pass them along to the dev team

[placid linden]

TS: for F2P players no changes to current candle currency, for AP holders, discounted candle cost. Regarding Ultimate Gifts, IF and IF they come back charge DOUBLE AP price for them.

[dim tapir]

Welcome to beta gen where we discuss everything but the one thing that’s actually being tested rn.

[light mauve]

I disagree, that’s literally no effort, the ultimate reward is ULTIMATE because YOU HAVE TO HAVE EVERYTHING IN THE SEASON, and that takes A L O T of work. Imagine, being in an older season, and you had to buy everything for the ult, and then the next season follows and anyone who paid this amount of cash could EASILY get it.

seriously, I know, I wish I could get ult too, but even as a person who will never spend money on this game, I genuinely do not think this is a good idea

[silent lily]

I'm on Android but I don't think old ultimates should be obtainable by any method other than real money. If they make them "not cost money" to get them the ultimates will no longer feel like "rewards" for completing the whole season
The best possible way is thru IAP

[radiant drum]

A major change in TS is being tested in beta right now, that will have huge impacts in the games economy. This discussion is welcome and expected

Just please remember to be kind to one another, as well as yourself if you feel yourself getting tired from it

[vocal crater]

Oh hi Mirian

[gentle creek]

Ayo mirian, where can i get more info about the TS system?

[radiant drum]

#beta-announcements has all the relevant information at the moment, it’s a bit scattered throughout the last few updates though. There should be a big initial explanation of it

[broken fractal]

I see the discussion is still on going. Dont mind me, I'll just watch from the background :)
Here some snack for refreshment! 🍪

[misty jungle]

paid for the extra cosmetic only.. at least ppl should spend 5 minutes a day to log in daily and do seasonal quests

[stark cloud]

Guys, how about we all constantly play beta everyday and show our enthusiasm like we in #beta-discussion and don't let beta server be a ghost town..

[rapid lily]

Are there any leak on beta prove that ultimate gift will comeback?

[azure lily]

Why so many no reactions? imagine you played during rhythma and got the pass but couldn't get the ult hair for variouse reasons. what if your device broke after purchacing the pass and couldnt play again for a month? then you hear that ult gifts are coming back and expect to have for free/reduced price but you have to pay 20 dollars or something- I would sure would be mad

[agile cape]

The TS system is being tested for the application of AP, but the specific application is being debated. There is an opinion that: those who own AP should be discounted when buying items that were in the pass, and those who do not have AP must pay expensive candles. This option is more positive than not allowing free players to get items in the old season pass

[dense whale]

/it is something holding near and dear to many people. Whatever happens there shall be debates. It is indeed tiring at times. As long we respect each other, it shall be fine. We shall work this out with respect, friendship and honks.
/man sorry for late rep- slow mode is slow haha

[terse flame]

I said I’m done cause I am tired
But I just realized I don’t like the lecture I’m in so I’m just gonna stay in here
The fact this has been going on for twenty four hours is very impressive and also very concerning
If your device broke during the season wouldn’t it make more sense for the ultimate to come back?
Other games (example 1 Animal Jam) have some items that are called beta that have a certain color and some of the same item that are normal because they can’t be that color
Why can’t this work for sky?

[limpid frigate]

I'll suggest the scavenger hunt in the beta feedback channel, but first, if someone wants to share their opinion on it or contribute something else to it, I would love to hear them!

[agile geode]

all g

[white raven]

@jaunty grail i think have a different point i view i guess... Yes, tgc is willing to give all players the equal chance to get access to previous items. But gaining items with real money is so different from gaining it for free. Though i do agree that the latecomers having to grind themselves so much to gain ts item is quite not fair, i also think that 'the veterans got their stuff since a lot of time passed' doesn't seem quite right either. What we need to ask is: Did the AP buyers get a prior notice that this will be a payment for 'pure' time? That this is not a payment for the item but just a payment for the early access to items?

This is not related but...
What we also should think of is... we are all comparing the value between buyer's money and F2P's grinding efforts, or time.
But TGC is a company. Of course we can't ignore both efforts. But think of the financial profit TGC will get between player purchasing AP and just playing the game a lot.(some will say F2Ps can support the game in different ways but none F2Ps are also supporting the game in many different ways and sadly this doesn't mean that they have to compensate with items for that) I see that TGC is surely trying to consider the F2Ps though.
i'm really enjoyin reading all of u guyz opinions they are all interesting :D i hope all of u have a nice day

[sharp hill]

whats the point of buying the pass at all if the ultimate reward will come back in this scenario

[light mauve]

Yeah well, you’re just thinking of some people who had bad luck, well you have to think about majority. I know, it’s unfair because this happened to people, but honestly, too bad, life works that way, and you have to learn to accept it, life’s not gonna wait for you and you have to accept what comes.

if we change it just to AP = ULT, the purpose of a ultimate reward has vanished, and it you CANT call it an ultimate reward because it’s not a reward, it’s something you bought. It beats the purpose.

[silent lily]

Not being able to obtain during the season is your own fault, not TGC'S.
Don't get offended by the reacts, evryone here is giving their own opinion and please respect
that
@white raven please avoid long text walls, try to keep messages compact to not to clog the chat. These type of paras deserve to go in #beta-feedback :)

[dim tapir]

Thousands of players rush to discord to ask about the locations of those candles and guess what? Someone already made a guide. And you can’t prevent this.
The players who’re using any other social media to get updates on the game or just simply do not wanna join discord exist? Well they can suffer ig

[spark lance]

Early access just the same with the cosmetics only available for the ap holders

[gentle creek]

If that's the case then the current TS system we have should play a role aswell.
Make it so that F2P players pay candles through the same system we always had, as the items already cost more than they originally were, hell maybe even lower the multiplier, while AP holders can get a discount.
Think that's pretty fair tbh

[soft monolith]

@/MyUseRnamEisF#2969 because as we know ultimates will not return for in game currency. So it’s more easy to get them with the AP

[lucid star]

Animal jam's economy is in shambles and the devs mistake put my password on the dark web. They're not the best comparison my guy.

[placid linden]

Why so many no reactions? imagine you played during rhythma and got the pass but couldn't get the ult hair for variouse reasons. what if your device broke after purchacing the pass and couldnt play again for a month? then you hear that ult gifts are coming back and expect to have for free/reduced price but you have to pay 20 dollars or something- I would sure would be mad
@azure lily No way is it a good idea for UG to be free once you get the AP....come on it’s not like an IAP, TGC still wants you to play the game and it literally takes 5min to do the daily quests for seasonal candles.

[buoyant geyser]

buying a pass is like getting a vip
which means you are getting the items earlier

[hasty vessel]

it’s been a year an a half and i beleive we should have more permanent items that done have a pay wall infront of them and make everyone feel more included, the ap should be a bonus to what is already in sky and i feel like more should be added to the main game excluding seasons

[jaunty grail]

I'm not talking about the ultimate gifts. I also can agree on the fact that ultimate gifts should indeed cost money.
But I was mainly talking about the TS system that TGC is trying to implement. I do understand that AP players help with finance, but a lot of audience is F2P, and they really cannot afford this. There are many people who may ultimately quit playing because there's nothing left to candle run for...

[spark lance]

Hey guys quick question from a beta Moth. What item should I try and get first?

[elder musk]

I disagree. Buying the pass means you want to participate in the season and earn the reward for doing so. It is not early access.

[azure lily]

I feel like people here are dogpiling on me when I'm just typing out what I see a ton of other people express in other chat's that is literly what I'm doing. nobody else here is typing those opinions. I read through #wishlist-and-ideas-archived and I see a bunch of people typing what I am. a lot of people, not me, don't even want ults to come back in the first place. I feel like I'm being singled out for voicing the opinion of another large part of the community and I don't think that's fair.

[dense whale]

/same goes to people who buy seasonal candle packs. I have seen dozen on the first week of Prophecy got the mask without hacking. Why spending so much money to get the anubis mask early if eventually everyone with AP will get it?
/I think it's paying to flex and get something early. wait- i cant phrase it right- sorry-

[agile cape]

It is well known that pass buyers contribute to the game and giving them extra benefits drives game development. However, it's not the only way to lock items into a pass and keep people without a pass from having items can drive game development. Changing the TS system has a multitude of ways, offering discounts for pass holders is a positive thing for both parties so pay attention to this approach.

[thorny fulcrum]

I'm getting dizzy in this discussion 🥴

[limpid frigate]

It's obvious that we can't prevent that, so what? And also, TGC could make post with the hint and an image of the realm where the candles are for the players that don't use discord and they could delete the post of that day at the reset time and post the next hint...Or they could just put the hint in game lol

[terse flame]

Here’s what I have to say about profits and TGC I had to pull up sky
The AP is ten dollars for a singular person and without a doubt the best deal but here we go
Season candles are five bucks a piece. Depending on how many candles you need you might have to spend well over twenty five dollars
The founders cape is thirty three I believe. A lot more than the AP
If someone needs to buy for the TS, The highest candle pack is fifty bucks and I get a 160 candles, probably the best deal if you’re a completionist and want to buy the whole tree. Alternatively there’s a pack for twenty dollars that give less but is cheaper
If you think about it implementing the AP system will discourage people buying candle packs and encourage the AP which is the worst deal for TGC financially

[ornate marlin]

!ts

[gilded parrot]

The next Traveling Spirit is scheduled to arrive on December 10th at 00:00 Pacific Time (UTC -8:00)
You can read how Traveling Spirits work here: http://bit.ly/TravelingSpirits

[radiant drum]

On a related note, please remember to be kind- this includes not using negative reactions on someone’s feedback/opinions. I know slowmode is long, but that can be seen as rude and dismissive without context. Instead, explain why you disagree in a constructive way everyone’s thoughts are valid and worth to be heard and discussed, and if that doesn’t happen we will be ending the conversation

[rapid lily]

Reading this chat makes me feel my English is bad

[silent lily]

Can you please use the reply feature, quoting is inefficient and again, leads to text walls, thanks for understanding :)@placid linden
@buoyant geyser not early, the original purpose of pass was to give to double the items than others can obtain plus 2/1 extra exclusive rewards, the intention was not give them early, that early thing came when ts came
@terse flame yeah, that's why they said they'll lose money and not gain it

[spark lance]

Forbidding making guides could be a viable solution, the places could also change for each event

[placid linden]

@silent lily Sadly, I don’t have the reply option, I’ll use the mention in future

[soft monolith]

I already said it days ago, but I think that the beast way to bring ultimates is with IAP for limited time. For example they can stay one week during Christmas. I would really like to gift some ultimates to may friends who missed them they would be very happy

And also I heard the idea about collecting all the TS from the season first. I thing that would be a little bit unhealthy because of the amount of farming (remember the stress that some people have now when TS is announced). And some people already skipped spirits or some items from them. So it would be a little bit unfair. But I respect the idea and all the opinions. Just wanted to say mine

[agile cape]

I think there are some, just some, not all, who purposely fail to mention there is more than one way to benefit the company. Who dares to ensure that it is only beneficial to the company not allowing free players to have passes from the old season? If that was the only way, then the developer would apply it without public opinion. Everyone keeps defining the value of the pass, isn't the value of the pass subjective and it's different in everyone's eyes?