Hi!
#beta-discussion
ember oriole
sacred vortex
uhm... i dunno if this is the right place to ask but... i cant seem to get into beta or get the sky beta app...
turbid heart
@wind frigate read #beta-faq for the answer. Also this round of beta has closed and probably won’t be open for another few months.
ember oriole
Is the elder’s temple eden?
wispy zinc
this new thing going on is confusing, so you have to buy the adventure pass to unlock the other items in a travelling spirit's tree?
broken laurel
Question: are the sky kids supposed to be glowing after finish each trial? Mine is glowing so hard that I couldn’t even see things well
wind frigate
@turbid heart I done it but I still can't installe Beta
spark lance
this new thing going on is confusing, so you have to buy the adventure pass to unlock the other items in a travelling spirit's tree?
@wispy zinc you don't have to, but basically, the items that used to be AP exclusive during the original season will remain AP exclusive as a TS item. You just need to own the current season's pass to unlock it, and of course white candles, hearts and ascended candles
fervent patrol
And hearts
vapid briar
The way ktjn said that we're just a small minority tho... Made me feel like what we say wouldn't matter that much...
It wasn't stated to diminish the value of your thoughts and opinions, it was to help you all understand that your perspective is only yours. You cannot speak for others, you cannot speak for the entire playerbase.
rain latch
is it going to cost less?
spark lance
is it going to cost less?
@rain latch I hope so. Yesterday we discussed that maybe we can keep the items available for everyone, but AP holders can maybe get the items at a discount, and non-AP players at regular price.
rain latch
That would be awesome
vapid stag
that seems like an ok compromise, but i also wonder if this will result in a significant increase in season pass purchases?
bold wolf
Ahhhh, now that we are talking about players glitching into cave of prophesies in live, I remember when I was just playing live and one of my friends had a friend that warped us to sanctuary before the season started. At that time, I thought beta and live players played together (wasn't in beta then) so I didn't report the player.... I have no idea how to mention this in live without spoilers 
rain latch
lol how are they glitcging in? I don't get it
vapid stag
that would definitely be worth it to me! freeing up time from candle grind would be nice, and i usually get a pass at the beginning of the season anyway
spark lance
but then if it's free for AP holders, some veterans would feel unappreciated again. No offense 
teal compass
@atomic vortex maybe not free for AP holders, but significantly reduced so there’s a mix of paying and f2p players candle running. This I feel is a good compromise.
sullen oasis
discount?
vapid stag
but it was game currency free for AP when the season came out, you don't pay extra seasonal candles for the AP items 🤔
ember oriole
Vets act like boomers
spark lance
But I do have a few vet friends who ARE still salty about the TS's existence. What more if the AP-exclusive TS items become free for us latecomers?
Personally, I think it would be a lovely feeling, to fly with newbies one day, who don't have season pass, in their butterfly capes and thrillseeker pants.
I bought the sanc AP, but I won't feel offended by that at all.
broken laurel
@teal compass ap holders would still pay for trees central part, but get the sides free - usually as it is in seasons
@atomic vortex I'm an AP holder but I don't feel well about that decision... it's not fair for the vet. New players are paying less and using white candles which are easier to save up than seasonal candles.
spark lance
but it was game currency free for AP when the season came out, you don't pay extra seasonal candles for the AP items 🤔
@vapid stag My friend said they paid for a separate AP for that season, and another AP for the current season.
How come we get both season items for the price of one?
vapid stag
Because the cosmetics are old? My perspective may be different because one of the only other games I play with IAP is Love Nikki Dress Up Queen (please excuse the corny name) and almost all the paid cosmetics return for in game currency after a delay. So to me this is just how cosmetic IAP work
bold wolf
@ember oriole while I do find your sentiment funny as well, there may be actual boomers in sky and in discord. Please don't associate vets with a term that implies generational divide and a host of other negative emotions. Old and new sky kids should be respected for what they feel
thorn cedar
GUYS,Can you not feedback the new TS system in wishlist & idea? This is so confusing.Please feedback in the feedback channel, thank you!
There are some people on the wishlist that give feedback, which makes me very confused indeed.
spark lance
What?
vapid stag
This is the discussion channel?
ember oriole
@ember oriole while I do find your sentiment funny as well, there may be actual boomers in sky and in discord. Please don't associate vets with a term that implies generational divide and a host of other negative emotions. Old and new sky kids should be respected for what they feel
Sorry I was just talking about the general idea of one not an actual one
spark lance
#beta-feedback is meant for feedback.
General channel is meant for us to brainstorm and discuss among ourselves things that could potentially affect the live game.
teal compass
You get to enjoy new cosmetics first though, months before non-AP holders. I bought a skin for $40, while vets have enough game currency to get it for free by playing the game. I don’t see a problem with that bc they put in their time. Personally I found the seasonal candles easier since all there is are quests (fairly simple) and the seasonal clusters (again, easier than running 4-5 realms) @broken laurel
slim kayak
some people are mentioning beta content in the #wishlist-and-ideas-archived channel where everyone can see. Just a gentle reminder that beta content should stay in beta channels, so all feedback containing beta content goes in #beta-feedback
ember oriole
It’s just- vet players kind of ruin the sky experience by being so salty
(Not talking about all vet players)
spark lance
Not all vets though. There are genuine gold ones.
kindred fossil
that's a really small imaginary vocal minority
ember oriole
Yeeeep
covert hollow
Imaginary minority who have apparently voiced out, so much so that tgc took their advice and made a change
Hmm
ember oriole
Me when I see a non toxic player with the jellyfish umbrella: 
stark cloud
May i ask..at this chat can talk about secret area?
thorn cedar
There are some people on the wishlist that give feedback, which makes me very confused indeed.Do you ...hmmm....understand what I mean?
Not in general, but I want people who want feedback to go to the feedback channel instead of wishlist.
kindred fossil
what change lol
prisma swallow
@stark cloud you can talk about anything related to Sky beta here without spoilering it afaik
slim kayak
i think some may be confused as to why the feedback channel is empty, so they put it in there to be safe 
I know a few beta testers were confused when they went to go put feedback for the first time and seeing it empty
covert hollow
This entire TS being paid thing was started by tgc taking the suggestion of salty pass holders into considerstion lmao
XD
kindred fossil
this has nothing to do with that but okay
vapid stag
Did anyone actually say that directly?
split wave
ngl, some of the cosmetics for the next season are pretty cool. the masks are okay, the deer (is it a deer?) one is rly cool tho
desert mango
Thats not true actually.., it was said people moaned about the grind actually...
rustic hearth
So, I just saw some chats on the other channel. But, is beta content allowed at #wishlist-and-ideas-archived?? Like, AP requrement for TS items?
kindred fossil
it's a jackal
slim kayak
We have heard the community’s feedback about the stress of grinding for and buying candles to obtain the items from Seasons past, and want to explore ways to offset the grindy feeling while still preserving the value of items that were tied to purchasing an Adventure Pass during the original season’s run.
quoted from #beta-announcements yes, there are more aspects to this system, but this is the main reason why it is being implemented. the prices have not changed yet, they just began testing it.
late mountain
Edit: And you beat me to it 
Just gonna drop this here, this is the official reason from the updates channel:
We have heard the community’s feedback about the stress of grinding for and buying candles to obtain the items from Seasons past, and want to explore ways to offset the grindy feeling while still preserving the value of items that were tied to purchasing an Adventure Pass during the original season’s run.
kindred fossil
lol i was just pretending to be dumb to annoy
thin shell
So why do we still have people who complain that we're discussing about the topic here
vapid stag
why does it still cost candles and hearts though? that doesnt change the grind at all
im just confused! 
simple girder
Anyone know the daily total wax count for prophecy cave?
Also let’s pls chill about the new ts system
spark lance
It's in beta people. It's the testing phase. Nothing is absolute and final.
prisma swallow
As for the new TS system, I personally think it would not be a good idea to locked some items permanently for AP holders. That just defeats the whole point of the TS for new players (Android or otherwise) to catch up with emotes and cosmetics. I know TS items are free whereas many of the good ones were paid during the season, but players invest their time into the grind. So it's not like they get it for free and without any effort whatsoever.
One possible solution for this could be to keep all the items at the regular candle/heart prices for non-AP holders and make some items (maybe even the most expensive ones) free for AP holders. This ensures that non-AP players have to continue their grind whereas AP holders have a much lesser grind and don't feel cheated of their money.
I am an AP owner myself, and I don't really feel too bad about people getting stuff for a huge candle price. They spend a lot of their time on the grind, and time is 💰.
late mountain
why does it still cost candles and hearts though? that doesnt change the grind at all
im just confused!
@vapid stag
from the update channel too: This is an early step in the revamping of the Traveling Spirit System, so candle costs have not been adjusted for the additional requirement of the Adventure Pass. As with everything that we test in Beta, details are subject to change and may be different when the content hits Live.
chilly mantle
In the end, it's impossible to make evryone happy, some complain the unfairness, some complain the grind zzzzz
kindred fossil
the complaining mostly came from f2p, didn't it?
thin shell
Not just f2p, pass holders too
ember oriole
But the grind makes sense, if you can’t afford it, that’s on you
desert mango
People can catchup by paying what pass holders paid... Whats wrong with that ?
kindred fossil
what's wrong with that that it was completely free for almost the entire year
grave jetty
People can catchup by paying what pass holders paid... Whats wrong with that ?
@desert mango It makes the toxics salty that they can't flex with their "rare" items anymore.
covert hollow
Both, otherwise they wouldnt have added the pass requirement, and just decreased the TS price
tropic portal
not everyone can afford the passes, especially if they increase in price
thin shell
People can catchup by paying what pass holders paid... Whats wrong with that ?
@desert mango like people have money to buy passes in the first place
crisp thorn
I encountered a couple kids in live with new season emotes. Where do I report?
vapid stag
It would increase the value of the pass for people who were on the fence though
latent oar
It's still ongoing
rain delta
Haha okay who started the ts conversation again this time? 
kindred fossil
me
prisma swallow
It makes the toxics salty that theu can't flex with their "rare" items anymore.
@grave jetty The toxicity just defeats the whole purpose of the game doesn't it
thin shell
And also the purpose of TS is to be fair to everyone, even to people that played during that season but didn't get to complete the constellation
desert mango
So how is it fair if people who had to pay .. Have to watch people get it free... Noone knows what that person went through to aquire that money ...
ember oriole
Also, I don’t understand why the Halloween items were so pricy. The lantern had a helpful function, but none of the Halloween items do, but they are so pricy
vapid stag
I feel like talking about the TS has been a group effort, and I for one am proud of all of us
plain ember
!reportplayer @crisp thorn
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slim kayak
TS wasn't designed to get items to free players outside of the expressions. It was designed as a catch-up mechanic.
ktjn on ts for clarification.
spark lance
the grind isn't even too much. We have 2 weeks to prepare for TS.
you can get up to 15-17 candles per day, 18 on Sundays,
15 candles x 14 days = 210 candles
17 candles x 14 days = 238 candles + 2 Sundays = 240
Just grind for at least 7 days and you'll be TS ready. Grind everyday for 1.75-2 hours, which isn't a lot, you probably spend longer time on facebook and twitter anyway, and you'll get max candles.
Now with the hearts, hearts are earned from friends, spirit constellation, message shrines, and daily lighting of friends. Sky is a social game afterall, so you have to work hard to earn those. Be kind and friendly, and hearts will come naturally.
thin shell
So how is it fair if people who had to pay .. Have to watch people get it free... Noone knows what that person went through to aquire that money ...
@desert mango Everything that costs real money will come back in some way as free for some time, every game does that
ember oriole
Though, I understand people who don’t like the grind. It’s feels monotonous and it looses the fun in sky
vapid stag
2 hours "isn't a lot" ? 😰
summer sundial
Anyone else think the season release is a bit premature? I mean the entire sanctuary area is bugged...
grave jetty
So how is it fair if people who had to pay .. Have to watch people get it free... Noone knows what that person went through to aquire that money ...
@desert mango When the price of a console or game drops, it is not unfair to the people who bought it before. The same is true of items. You had your early access, and your support of the game is appreciated by everyone, but you are not entitled to exclude others.
thin shell
The season itself is kind of ready, anything outside of it can be fixed.
And the sanctuary issue is fixed in beta, idk why it didn't get to live
spark lance
2 hours "isn't a lot" ? 😰
@vapid stag No one said you have to grind for two hours. Just do 2-3 maps per day for an hour and you'll still have at least 120 candles by the time the TS has arived.
covert hollow
Its a lot, but thats how it is
In almost every game
You grind for what you want, or fork out cash to get it quicker
warm bison
I think the grind is alot but that's why it's fair, AP holders get it easily, stress free they get a whole season's cosmetics faster. The current system keeps the valence by making it harder to get AP items for free. I do believe the current system is fair.
tropic portal
i think issue (for me, at least) with the grind is that i dont know if the time im allotting for sky will be worth it when the ts is announced as it is completely random. not knowing if the ts will be something i want makes putting aside time to grind very hard, especially when we dont know the prices until the day the spirit comes
ember oriole
Offtopic but, I find it funny that the fire spirit was feeling shy even though his emote is like- flexing his chest
bold wolf
For those who are talking about the TS change, I would also recommend searching up some of krilltjn's most recent comments. Some things are explained like the purpose of the TS, how many players actually pay for candles for the TS, and some other background knowledge
vapid stag
It also means that unless I know I can spend a lot of time grinding, I am really stingy giving candles to make friends
hexed mica
the grind isn't even too much. We have 2 weeks to prepare for TS.
you can get up to 15-17 candles per day, 18 on Sundays,
15 candles x 14 days = 210 candles
17 candles x 14 days = 238 candles + 2 Sundays = 240
Just grind for at least 7 days and you'll be TS ready. Grind everyday for 1.75-2 hours, which isn't a lot, you probably spend longer time on facebook and twitter anyway, and you'll get max candles.Now with the hearts, hearts are earned from friends, spirit constellation, message shrines, and daily lighting of friends. Sky is a social game afterall, so you have to work hard to earn those. Be kind and friendly, and hearts will come naturally.
Bruh what about not getting hearts from notes and boats
grave jetty
Offtopic but, I find it funny that the fire spirit was feeling shy even though his emote is like- flexing his chest
@ember oriole People are weird sometimes. Ancestors too, apparently.
covert hollow
Me too, you grind for 2 weeks and the TS ends up not what you fancy
Now you have to wait another 2 more weeks
warm bison
Still, that randomness factor also makes it fair for AP holders, non-AP can't grantee to get what they want
slim kayak
some bugs are harder to fix than others. I mean, look at moth glitch, its still happening. but the season can still go on i guess, as long as the cave isn't buggy and water trial works (assuming that trials come weekly or something)
ember oriole
What does ap mean...?
spark lance
I guess the only thing the fire spirit is afraid of are a bunch of kids wanting to steal his pants
thin shell
What does ap mean...?
@ember oriole adventure pass
quick ingot
What does ap mean...?
@ember oriole adventure pass
vapid stag
I AM a AP holder, but I'm an android player. Almost every TS has been a from a season I never even had a chance to pay for.
tropic portal
Offtopic but, I find it funny that the fire spirit was feeling shy even though his emote is like- flexing his chest
fireboi was busy getting buff so that the emote would be extra
covert hollow
Oh yea which trial comes first again?
hexed mica
What would he look like if he didnt have pants on
proper helm
What would he look like if he didnt have pants on
@hexed mica big moth
ember oriole
He’s sooooo talll
spark lance
fireboi is shy but covers it up with their emote 
slim kayak
ok i'm gonna sneep. take care everyone! 
quick ingot
Fireboi deserves hugs.
bold wolf
Fire spirit is like Hagrid, or Totoro or some other friendly giant
proper helm
Fire boi is buff moff
sullen oasis
Fireboi deserves to flex after being shy for too long
vapid stag
he overcame his fears, so he should be able to flex a little
urban mantle
To quote: "When the price of a console or game drops, it is not unfair to the people who bought it before. The same is true of items." Imho, the price of an game or console would drop due to new products being released, and the old ones would have lower demands compared to the new ones. Prices are lowered to clear inventory. However, for the TS, the popularity remains, and doesnt make economic sense to "reduce price".
thin shell
It seems that people are complaining about the grind now.
You have two weeks to grind to be ready for the TS. If you didn't grind for it, you better not be complaining. You HAD two weeks to prepare.
spark lance
why is there peeps with full level emotes from prophecy in live 🤨🤨🤨
mental otter
hackers, simply report them and move on 
broken laurel
Am I the only one who actually enjoys cr and spend those candles on TS 😂 This is like a sense of achievement or something. If it's paid and cheaper that will mean a total different thing
Again I'm an AP holder but I still prefer the old system.
desert mango
Sky is free to play... They need to make their money ...try running a buisness giving away free stuff ...
Everything will certainly not come back free.. Thats just not true
If you cant stand the grind its not the game for you ..
void olive
idm the grinding, i just wish there was other things to do like a minigame or something
thin shell
I think the current TS in live is fair for everyone. Not everyone can buy everything because of how pricing works. Those who grinded can buy something from their "hard work".
grave jetty
It seems that people are complaining about the grind now.
You have two weeks to grind to be ready for the TS. If you didn't grind for it, you better not be complaining. You HAD two weeks to prepare.
@thin shell To be fair, that's not completely true. You'd only have two weeks to prepare if you knew what spirit was coming two weeks in advance. If they announced TS sooner, that might take some of the stress off of grinding, because then you'd know what you were grinding for. Maybe not the whole two weeks, but what about one?
tropic portal
It seems that people are complaining about the grind now.
You have two weeks to grind to be ready for the TS. If you didn't grind for it, you better not be complaining. You HAD two weeks to prepare.
the game should always come second tho and for a lot of ppl they dont have room in their schedules to be grinding for two weeks; they may only be able to play on weekends even. what then? they dont even know if theyre grinding for something they want
spark lance
but can ireport unlit players tho
they didnt light anyone candle
quick ingot
I just feel that having and AP for unlocking a ts isn't fair to ppl who need the money for other things or can't pay for them bc they need a permission from their parents or anything else,,,
spark lance
Bruh what about not getting hearts from notes and boats
@hexed mica Like I mentioned on my message, hearts from those are earned. You have to make good friends, and leave genuine/ like-worthy messages.
thin shell
@grave jetty better be ready than never
latent oar
After reading Ktjn's messages personally I think it's enough for dev to move onto next step and modify this new system. 
urban mantle
Maybe fairness=/=marginal benefits ? 😂
broken laurel
the game should always come second tho and for a lot of ppl they dont have room in their schedules to be grinding for two weeks; they may only be able to play on weekends even. what then? they dont even know if theyre grinding for something they want
@tropic portal Well this is a tradeoff then. The point is that we had a choice to either spend time in the game or pay for the candle packs to get TS items
desert mango
People work hard for money thats not free either.., theirfore it makes sense to have to work for free stuff (candle runnin)
thin shell
Also you don't have to grind for the whole two weeks. Doing full candle runs for 7 different days will yield you 126 candles, which is kinda enough for TS
The grind for the current TS system is good now. People that grinded for that deserves something from the TS. Don't like it? You're ready for the next TS without you grinding yourself everyday
spark lance
Off topic, but do you folks think they will release a spirit a week or just the trials per week?
desert mango
Candle runs are different for me everyday... Something new happens.... Always keeps it fresh... Plus we have such a laugh,., have fun with the grind ... Me and my friends do ... Its free in game currency common... All you got to do is collect it
warm bison
Why the current system (imo) is fair for both sides
AP holder:
-seasonal candles are much easier to collect
-they know what they'll get
-exclusivety for 2 whole seasons (almsot 4 months)
-ultimate gifts
Non-AP:
can skip on buying but;
•will have to spend much more time on the game, much more effort (running all realms)
•cannot grantee their wanted spirit
•have to wait 2 extra weeks if it isn't what they want
but the advantage that is worth all the disadvantages is: you get it for "free"
It's more like instead of paying with your money you pay with effort and time.
bold wolf
Spirits should be all available in the beginning if nothing goes wrong but trials will be spaced out
spark lance
I think all 4 prophets will be available to unlock on Day 1, but trials will arrive one after another, probably days or weeks apart
flat lava
I don't mind doing candle runs daily but to be honest, it gets grindy and tiresome the more you do it! If the goal is to make it less grindy, I believe there are other ways to do so rather than messing with the TS feature. I don't get why AP access becomes mandatory so I could get those cosmetics in the first place. I hope beta players will not agree with this!
devout glacier
What does "imo" mean .-.?
desert mango
Money talks ... Fact
prisma swallow
@devout glacier in my opinion
cobalt pulsar
Hellow, how to sensor some words?
proper helm
AP holders who also get the cosmetics within the season are stress free to some extent too cuz they don't have to grind for TS if they collected the cosmetics
spark lance
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broken laurel
I don't mind doing candle runs daily but to be honest, it gets grindy and tiresome the more you do it! If the goal is to make it less grindy, I believe there are other ways to do so rather than messing with the TS feature. I don't get why AP access becomes mandatory so I could get those cosmetics in the first place. I hope beta players will not agree with this!
@flat lava Right! The current candle pack system is actually a very good way: you can either pay for it or do cr
devout glacier
Thanks for explain!@prisma swallow
spark lance
And by the way, if you don't grind for wax, you will not able to afford any cosmetics nor friendship upgrades, let alone add friends.
So if you don't like to do the most basic thing we do in the game, what are you doing in Sky in the first place?
quick ingot
Ok so,,, i'm a bit confused rn,,, will having a AP give a discount on the TS items or fully won't let you get the item unless you have the AP?
thin shell
Will everyone accept it if AP holders can buy things for half the price, but non-AP holders will still pay regular price?
prisma swallow
Ok so,,, i'm a bit confused rn,,, will having a AP give a discount on the TS items or fully won't let you get the item unkess you have the AP?
@quick ingot Currently the latter one, but I personally would prefer the first thing
warm bison
it might be better to change "everyone" to "do you guys..."
We don't represent everyone
thin shell
A bit of advantage for AP holders for sure since some of you complains about grinding.
grave jetty
To quote: "When the price of a console or game drops, it is not unfair to the people who bought it before. The same is true of items." Imho, the price of an game or console would drop due to new products being released, and the old ones would have lower demands compared to the new ones. Prices are lowered to clear inventory. However, for the TS, the popularity remains, and doesnt make economic sense to "reduce price".
@urban mantle We're already operating in a realm where the concept of "economic sense" doesn't really apply. It doesn't make economic sense to buy any of this stuff, yet enough people do that you can sustain a whole video game company on that market. It doesn't make economic sense to make items free for AP holders: $10 every couple of months that they were going to spend anyway is a lot less money than that amount plus candle packs when those same people fall short, and this is a discount that TGC foots the bill for in the end. Yet they seem to want to go there. The problem here isn't one of greed.
prisma swallow
I don't even mind if they make the most expensive items like instruments/capes free for AP holders and 60-70 candles for non-AP holders
flat lava
@warm bison exactly! It's up to the people whether they want to buy AP or not. After all, not everyone can afford it. We can only pour time and effort to catch up. If the TS that comes is not something that I want, I'm still thankful since it can help me hasten the progress of completing my constellation or if not, allows you to take a break from grinding.
limber tusk
we are like 1% of all global players
spark lance
Yes, we are only a small portion of the millions of players who play sky. I'm sure other players outside discord have golden ideas too.
and ooof, I see text walls again 👀
thin shell
Please don't quote walls of text, just ping them to voice out your opinion
desert mango
Money is money.., time is time... You cant compare the two things because money buys time
thin shell
Or better yet, paste the link
hexed mica
Reading a wall of text is like reading a whole 8 paragraph essay
proper helm
Adding AP lock to TS just to make some salty toxic players happy is against the motive of the game itself, cuz the game aimed to remove toxicity in the first place and promote friendship and fairness..
spark lance
Just got max ascend candles in Eden yesterday. Man learning how to yeet in the trials helps a lot with lighting the lanterns in Eden to charge up and avoid rocks
It makes it hard for us to backread too 
sterile plinth
@flat lava Hi there, please don't quote large walls of text 
devout glacier
Wait what's the current system again?
hexed mica
#beta-announcements @devout glacier
thin shell
Wait what's the current system again?
@devout glacier Cosmetics that needed AP during its respective season will require the current AP when it becomes a TS. Only applies to Gratitude-Belonging spirits as of the moment.
desert mango
Where im from you go without if you dont work hard for it .., this goes for money and collecting candles
grave jetty
Money is money.., time is time... You cant compare the two things because money buys time
@desert mango And for most adults, time earns money. The two can't be directly compared, but to a certain extent they can be converted.
runic path
I want to get all cosmetics in the season. But as a Android I just can't
.
hexed mica
Nooo I think seasons behind belonging ts will require ap like Graditude or lightseekers
warm bison
Spending time on sky even if you don't directly pay money, keeps the game alive aka gives paying players reasons to stay. You do give value to the game even if it's not direct.
oak delta
I agree with Lily's statements. I'd rather spend time on the game than real money to get the cosmetics despite not knowing what TS will come next and how much it will cost.
prisma swallow
If you really want to compare time and money, then let's say grinding for a TS requires an average of 12 hours. AP costs 10 US$, so the locked items from one out of the 6 spirits are worth 1.67 US$. I think most jobs pay way above 1.67$ for 12 hours of work.
thin shell
Just remember that not everyone is working yet
vapid stag
@warm bison I think this is what a lot of people are missing!! this game doesn't have a lot of mechanical complexity, the value in the game IS the community. Having people spend 90% of their in game time mindlessly grinding candles hurts the community because they aren't interacting with other players
tough wedge
I understand the point of view of money and time, but the game is for 10+. Kids dont always have time to play or have money
proper helm
Even most of the working won't spend their hard money for a game
shadow yoke
Plus that's US currency. That kind of money could be more worth it for other things aside from games in other countries.
prisma swallow
Uh this was my response to the time=time thingy post lol, I know there are many players who are not working yet
hexed mica
Its kinda expensive for me
frank valve
About editing the TS part in beta, I fully support this because I think they need the cost to maintain this game so please give them a little support, consider it as a new experience. We can't play for free forever. Many free players are very selfish and that probably makes TGC feel sad
buoyant hollow
@warm bison I think this is what a lot of people are missing!! this game doesn't have a lot of mechanical complexity, the value in the game IS the community. Having people spend 90% of their in game time mindlessly grinding candles hurts the community because they aren't interacting with other players
@vapid stag That "grinding" gives people reason to go around maps with their friends every day, giving them reason to play together.
spark lance
I think the best choice would be to make the AP items free in the TS, that way people who bought them will grind less. If the only way to get them is by buying the AP, what about those who gift passes? The ones gifted wouldn’t be able to buy them unless you can give the APs before the season starts
Hanathara: THAT is one of the reasons and I think it’s a very important one, it’s the case for me as well. I grind with my friend to prepare for the TS
warm bison
@vapid stag I honestly disagree, I find that when me and my friends go around all realms we interacting with others playing around and helping them. After we are done we usually mess around in prairie or at home which might be harder for us to all gather for something if it wasn't CR.
spark lance
I agree. Not everyone works yet, which is why all players have access to all areas (with the exclusion of the office). The game is free for everyone, even to those who cannot spend money on the game.
The only difference is some access to some items and cosmetics.
However, a non-AP player with 10 wedges on a brown cape can fly just the same as an AP player with 10 wedges who owns a manta cape and enchanted turban.
The cosmetics doesn't change the gameplay. It's all aesthetics
desert mango
Not everyone is working but you must still work for what you want ..,
I never thought id spend money on a game look at me .. Im a sky addict... I dont buy real clothes anymore i prefer virtual 😂😂 ... I cant help it.. I does love sky
cobalt pulsar
How to sensor some words? Sorry I asked this twice
hexed mica
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oak delta
I don't think all players mindlessly grind. The grind has actually built more community connections in a way for those who help others collect light who want others to serve as 'battery'.
prisma swallow
If you mean censor as in *** please don't use it to bypass the text filters
cobalt pulsar
Owhh okee thankyou so much
vapid stag
A certain amount of grinding is definitely a good thing, but a lot of people are acting like a 2 hour commitment isn't a lot!
hexed mica
I dont wanna be in a debate so 🏃
proper helm
Grinding with friends strengthen the bond between them... Grinding is not mindless.. Some players also try to beat their timing every run
desert mango
The grind is how you create memories with people.. Oobing too but more so candle running... Finding moths on the way and helping... Its beautiful
spark lance
go to the live chat and people are proud to even declare that they spend 6-8 hours in sky per day.
warm bison
It definitely is alot, but that is what makes it fair for AP holders imo
lost grail
I spend at least 4 hours of cr because I run around and help players a lot which takes up my time. And I also get stuck in walls, so..
urban mantle
@grave jetty i get your points ;) Here's mine:
- I would say the spending on game is considered as entertainment expenses. Not an essential, but there is still demand for it and it varies across different people.
- "Making items free for AP pass holder" not sure about this, but having AP pass exclusive items would increase the likelihood of on-the-fence players to buy an AP pass. Note: the target group here is the on-the-fence players.
zinc prawn
we back into the debates i see
broken laurel
Pls remember there are people who spend a lot of time on the game to help with this whole community but they cannot afford the pass. Originally I thought TS system is to provide a way to let these people get the cosmetics some day even if they are not able to pay for it.
Again I'm an AP holder but I'm very satisfied with the old system. I wish the game gives all people a chance to obtain paid seasonal cosmetics from the TS. They didn't spend money but they spent time and they waited.
desert mango
Im proud of it and i work... I spend more time than that on sky ... But i can just because i can .. I work hard too.., sky is awol
proper helm
I helped two of my moths friends get Rhythm pants and Lightseekers cape which wouldn't have been possible if the pants were locked behind pass
oak delta
The current system gives a choice to wait and spend time and effort. But the new one gives no choice but to buy the AP to get (all) cosmetics.
vapid stag
I think it was maybe a big mistake to roll out this change without much of an indication of how it will actually work
buoyant hollow
You don't even need 2 hours every day to get the candles necessary for TS -_- Candle running is what keeps people online and interacting with friends
zinc prawn
bit of a gamble too, you are paying for the AP to get RANDOMIZED traveling spirits
you dont know if you will get the ones you want , yet you will still buy a pass just to have that certainty of being able to purchase the ts
prisma swallow
Most of my candle runs are me listening to pianists for 15-min stretches
oak delta
What's the point of grinding if this new system will not give you something worth the effort anymore... 🥺 The grinding gives some people a reason to be together.
broken laurel
True: you only need 10 candles per day and you can simply get them by doing both races in valley, the forest run and wasteland. Two weeks of preps will allow you to have 140 candles.
spark lance
hey guys, what if the new quests say
meditate at the air trial summit
or
face the krillfart
devout glacier
I'm a free player, I don't spend any money on the game (shh... Because Idk how to pay in game), I really love some cosmetics of the old seasons' spirits. Heard that the ts's cosmetics required AP, I don't like it at all, but there's nothing I can do ^^
proper helm
True: you only need 10 candles per day and you can simply get them by doing both races in valley, the forest run and wasteland. Two weeks of preps will allow you to have 140 candles.
@broken laurel or prairie run
desert mango
Because sky has become part of our lives more than usual than a game would... People become scared of change.. Iam not scared to admit that i dont like change
prisma swallow
krillfart? bruh
latent oar
Devs are like, "Hey! We're about to start a project, Let us know your opinions!"
Although on players' side we take it so serious as an official announcement like they're pushing this changes very soon 
rain delta
TS wasn’t designed to get items to free players outside of the expressions. It was designed as a catch-up mechanic.
From Ktjn#8721
spark lance
bit of a gamble too, you are paying for the AP to get RANDOMIZED traveling spirits
you dont know if you will get the ones you want , yet you will still buy a pass just to have that certainty of being able to purchase the ts
@zinc prawn well wouldn't you buy the AP for the current/ upcoming season anyway?
zinc prawn
well wouldn't you buy the AP for the current/ upcoming season anyway?
@spark lance not everyone wants to buy passes , sometimes people dont like some seasons
proper helm
@spark lance not everyone wants to buy passes , sometimes people dont like some seasons
@zinc prawn and not everyone has money
spark lance
💨
i bet the krill took a bite of sky bean, which generated the krillfarts
TGC didn't know what to do with them, so they placed them in one of the trials
prisma swallow
Bruh either you fasttrack your cosmetics by paying 💸 or you pay for it with your 🕐
amber anchor
Send me link beta
proper helm
How to kill your own game 101.
TGC
prisma swallow
There is no link, keep checking on the Play Store/App Store if you're an enrolled tester, otherwise hard luck try next season 
spark lance
@zinc prawn and not everyone has money
@proper helm which is why the game is free, and it's ad free too
no one is required to spend anything.
flat lava
Like what I said it's up to people whether to buy AP or not but if TS all the way to Belonging will require current AP, this does not answer the issue of grindiness at all!
While buying candle packs may somehow alleviate the burden, personally, I don't agree with the current prices.
Moreover, I would use variety to explain why players felt candle runs grindy in the first place. I don't mind doing candle runs but if TGC wanted to add other means to earn candles the same way as candle runs does, like mini games for example, it would be better option.
It's just that I find that it's not the revamping of TS that must be given thought to make the game somewhat less grindy.
bold wolf
Does anyone monitor the #wishlist-and-ideas-archived channel? There are a lot of beta spoilers there that should be put into #beta-feedback 
desert mango
You have to keep checking on beta invites on discord but in a couple of months
zinc prawn
But do you think that the system that they're attempting to apply is fair to everyone? @spark lance because non pass holders will not be able to buy anything
proper helm
I@amber anchor #beta-looking-for-group 
spark lance
This is simply my opinion, You don't go to Mcdonalds to ask for a free burger and fries, but you can still use their toilet and ask for a free glass of water anyway.
prisma swallow
F bruh I never realized Sky is actually ad-free and it doesn't even cost money to buy the game
proper helm
Instead of adding AP, they can reduce candle packs prices or add more candles to the candle packs
alpine pilot
Hey everyone where is the traveling spirit
spark lance
But do you think that the system that they're attempting to apply is fair to everyone? because non pass holders will not be able to buy anything
@zinc prawn in the new (being tested) system, non-AP holders will be able to buy non-AP exclusive items, like how it did in the original season.
tough wedge
@alpine pilot forest
worn trail
Imagine having flame throwers to burn plnts
prisma swallow
Hey everyone where is the traveling spirit
@alpine pilot Forest, in the second area with rain where there are 4 winged light
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the traveler ||hides beyond the trees||
urban mantle
But do you think that the system that they're attempting to apply is fair to everyone? @spark lance because non pass holders will not be able to buy anything
@zinc prawn
Well, it's like I eat at restaurant for free for couple of months, and they start charging me for membership fee. Is it unfair to me? 😂
zinc prawn
ts is not really free in any way, you either spend time or money. both are very valuable things
but locking it to AP only seems a bit too much in my opinion, even though i can easily buy a pass once in a while , its a tad unfair for the non pass holders
i respect your opinion anyway
proper helm
@zinc prawn
Well, it's like I eat at restaurant for free for couple of months, and they start charging me for membership fee. Is it unfair to me? 😂
@urban mantle well.. food and game can't be compared
primal bridge
When ya someone using a season of prophecy emote in live server be like
prisma swallow
Well, it's like I eat at restaurant for free for couple of months, and they start charging me for membership fee. Is it unfair to me? 😂
@urban mantle It's more like you earlier were limited to certain free food while others got better food by paying for it. Later, you were asked to cook the better food yourself in order to eat it. And now you're being asked to cook part of it and pay for the rest of it.
zinc prawn
you guys could remove the ping for me if its not aimed towards me, im getting too many notifs
alpine pilot
Thank you very much!
sturdy anvil
I knew this discussion will reignite
broken laurel
Also based on how much candles cost in game, each ts actually "costs" a lot
tough wedge
The traveling spirits gives people a reason to go on candle runs if they don't like the current season and help others get candles.
spark lance
Maybe we shouldn’t quote messages and just ping the person
gleaming yacht
why is everyone so upset again KTJN SAID THERE ARE NO PLANS OF THIS GETTING TO LIVE
prisma swallow
@gleaming yacht but as it stands, most of the stuff in beta is carried over to live. Maybe this is an exception but idk
proper helm
Shouldn't have put up that AP lock idea even in beta 😂 😂
oak delta
Why announce it then? If no plans of getting to live?
gleaming yacht
there are tons of beta things that never arrive in live
broken laurel
@gleaming yacht just people debating whether it is a good idea.
sturdy anvil
why is everyone so upset again KTJN SAID THERE ARE NO PLANS OF THIS GETTING TO LIVE
@gleaming yacht go back and reread, she added "at the moment" doesn’t mean they won't in the future haha.Also the very point of beta testing is that you are tesing it for live-that is a corporate decision
tropic radish
||hope it doesn't get brung up to live. If it does, at least alter it like the discount system most seem to be agreeing||
zinc prawn
Well i feel like its okay to be upset, thats why we are here discussing it.
But do not lock this concept into your head that it will certainly happen, there are times when concepts are changed or completely scrapped.
spark lance
or who knows, maybe it wont
devout glacier
But... If many people agree, it will getting to live. TGC really listen to people's feedbacks. People on my country's social media said... There is no game's dev but TGC spoil players like this.
proper helm
They should get some light awaits quests in the current game
lost isle
Personally one of the main reasons i play sky is just to get cosmetics from traveling spirits, apart from the playing with friends part, but i get that they need to monetize since its a high quality free game
tough wedge
We're lucky to have TGC compared to netease
gleaming yacht
@sturdy anvil can't you see that testing also depends on feedback? Depending on the current situation, NOBODY agrees. And the community is very upset at this decision
zinc prawn
Senial, by the looks of it, I do not think it will make it to live in this shape.
spark lance
precisely. TGC i snot like any other company I've seen
Yet there are still those people who have the nerve to call TGC greedy
flat pelican
Hello peoples!
Right listen I have a question.
For the next season, what excactly are these “trials?”
I’ve heard fire is hard, but I don’t understand it.
potent heron
Theres lots of stuff about the trials in #beta-screenshots-videos
sturdy anvil
@sturdy anvil can't you see that testing also depends on feedback? Depending on the current situation, NOBODY agrees. And the community is very upset at this decision
@gleaming yacht You can't make generalization that NOBODY agrees mate, in fact from what I saw some peeps are quite happy and think it's fair.And ppl were upset with lantern price right?Still it went the same in live
vapid stag
@flat pelican I feel like this season is defs worth going in mostly blind 👀
broken laurel
@flat pelican Trials are just mini games in the main game where they test you on your controlling skills (like jumping, landing and stuff).
zinc prawn
TGC by no means is greedy. I've seen plenty who thought that way and I really think it's fair that things cost money in the game. How else will TGC earn income and sustain the game for future events and seasons?
flat pelican
Nice.
spark lance
and oh, youtube for example used to be free too. We could even download offline.
But now they're monetizing everything in every way they can, and no one bats an eye.
What makes TGC any different? They are a private company with employees with bills to pay and mouths to feed. and Sky is a high quality game. They deserve the right to monetize some if not all elements of it.
lost isle
Maybe they could have like level 2 or 4 emotes with the sparkly things require the pass instead of the cosmetic? Idk maybe some people would really hate that too, but i feel like it's being able to monetize more without as many people opposing it
ember oriole
TGC by no means is greedy. I've seen plenty who thought that way and I really think it's fair that things cost money in the game. How else will TGC earn income and sustain the game for future events and seasons?
@zinc prawn they make enough money from adventure passes and iaps, a lot of people buy enough to make sure that they are able to prosper and pay their employees
urban mantle
@prisma swallow i get it!
But the earlier ones who pay for the better food will still have to do quests for at least 40-60 days right. Meanwhile I cook the better food with less than 1-2 week daily grind? Not sure if the opportunity and time cost here are equivalent 🤔 If i have to cook part of it, with less daily grind then, sounds about right?
vapid stag
Emotes are actually the thing i think should be the most accessible to newer players, it makes a huge difference to have more options to communicate non verbally! the sparkly parts tho, defs ok to keep AP locked
devout glacier
I don't want to agree that this system will get on live, but there's nothing I can do if there are still more agreements than disagreements. (Sorry if wrong vocabularies)
flat lava
The traveling spirits gives people a reason to go on candle runs if they don't like the current season and help others get candles.
@tough wedge if I may add, one of reasons why I keep playing as a solo player.
buoyant hollow
and oh, youtube for example used to be free too. We could even download offline.
But now they're monetizing everything in every way they can, and no one bats an eye.What makes TGC any different? They are a private company with employees with bills to pay and mouths to feed. and Sky is a high quality game. They deserve the right to monetize some if not all elements of it.
@spark lance Actually a lot of people complained about it. It's just the fact that YT won't listen to anything 😂
broken laurel
Just an opinion of mine: sometimes if the IAPs are a little cheaper more ppl will buy them. Like the lantern, I've heard ppl talking about how they would absolutely get the lantern if it were cheaper
prisma swallow
@urban mantle Lol I didn't think you'd actually reply to that. It was a comment made in jest, let's leave it at that
crude crystal
the trial is fun .Brand new way for season task and i want more in future
limber tusk
i’m just reminding this is apart of what beta is for, feedback and we are only 1% of all global players!
tough wedge
Maybe a monthly pass to receive free cosmetics and emotes from ts only (optional)
sturdy anvil
F2p Ppl need to be open to ads for thier own sake (ofc a Non intrusive kind)Also if ppl think TGC is being greedy, well ppl can change and so can a company. Now I knwo for a fact that couple of my veteran mates paid AP as mean to support TGC,now that they are pressing ppl to buy AP(which they might not even want to start with) for TS access,they feel betrayed.
zinc prawn
I'll be honest, I feel bummed out whenever I see an IAP that is out of my budget, but it is what it is-
Still hope TGC gets the good amount of sales
lost isle
Yeah, maybe they could have a monthly pass that decreases the amount of candles needed, since i've seen a lot of my friends super desperate towards the ts arrival day haha
limber tusk
just saying please remember to be kind as well and TGC are just trying to suit to our needs and are taking a loss on this to help (and this is not confirmed to be live)
broken laurel
I get AP to support the company as well because that's the most affordable way for me @sturdy anvil
real mica
I think ads would ruin the game even if they were non intrusive
urban mantle
@spark lance i have the same question here. When an intially free item is no longer free, do consumers have the right to complain? Since there's no terms of sales to begin.
spark lance
I feel like a great compromise to this would be AP holders get TS cosmetics at a far cheaper price, whereas prices remain unchanged for free players. Still provides incentive for on-the-fence payers imo
hollow compass
@oak delta There needs to be an announcement so we know how to test it and review it, just like any other new feature being tested and reviewed in beta.
devout glacier
They shouldn't thing TGC is greedy. Because Sky isn't have ad-games, so they get income earnings by players. Every game needs money so it won't be..."dead"
zinc prawn
I really like how many of us are having the discount idea, make sure to put them in the #beta-feedback !! The more suggestions, the better. Maybe it'll be applied to the next beta update? Who knows.
spark lance
but the thing is, Sky is a game for kids too. I don't want my little brother to unintentionally download another game or go to a site I otherwise would not have wanted him to go to
Plus ads take you away from the virtual reality/ world that TGC has created for you.
Ads take you back to the real world, which defeats the purpose of Sky.
lost isle
If there was an option to volunteer to watch ads i would probably do that
spark lance
yes you would, but I wouldn't want that option for my 10 year old brother or 16 year old sister
sturdy anvil
Withoiut free TS, f2p players have nothing to do.No need to CR-No need to come on Sky-Sky becomes less populated- vets lose thier mates-they get bummed. we all lose.The only ppl who will be immune is ppl who don't care about mates, wanna play alone or those who do care but thier mates are as rich as them.(I myself have the manta cape so not a f2p all the way either)
potent heron
Idk I come on Sky to hang out with friends
limber tusk
ads would be hard in a social game, interrupting convos
dense holly
So I just attempted to go thru the fire trial. Is it just me, or the middle did someone else get completely lost? Like, there was no clear path of where to go. Just a bunch of candles everywhere
spark lance
it will be hella annoying. and my phone notifs already sometimes gets me krilled
ads will worsen the experience
topaz nebula
What did I miss looks
prisma swallow
This is a little out of topic, but has anyone noticed that rocket and spiral glitches work in all trials except fire. It just defeats the whole purpose of a trial lmao
grand scroll
So I just attempted to go thru the fire trial. Is it just me, or the middle did someone else get completely lost? Like, there was no clear path of where to go. Just a bunch of candles everywhere
@dense holly that’s the point, you need to find the right path in order to proceed, very difficult and annoying when ur doing it alone
bold wolf
Winter's child, yes, there are a bunch of candles. They do lead to somewhere, you just might need to wander a bit (I like to head left)
devout glacier
Doesn't have money and has money but doesn't know how to pay, which is worse :(?
hollow compass
@dense holly same. I went through with a big group yesterday and I have no idea what was going on. We just seemed to be spinning in circles, but eventually we made it out.
potent heron
not having money, people can explain to you how to pay lol
topaz nebula
👀
dense holly
Okay, glad it wasn't just me...
bold wolf
@prisma swallow last time I tried piggyback rocket in fire trial, it worked.....
topaz nebula
I’ll trade cosmetics for real money 💰 😂
spark lance
Doesn't have money and has money but doesn't know how to pay, which is worse :(?
@devout glacier
doesn't have money are genuine people, maybe even kids
has money but doesn't pay is
prisma swallow
Well it should not be that easy to beat the trials right?
olive wolf
Hey beta users! I heard about the recent update regarding the traveling spirits and I want your opinion. If things continue as they are, would it be better to buy the pass now and get the items, or still wait for traveling spirits? I don't really care for the ultimate item this season, but I need that water cape and pants
bold wolf
Actually, I died after landing so didn't attempt it again
topaz nebula
PayPal me. Would you take my offer?👀 😂
hollow compass
@olive wolf I don't think you need to worry about that just now.
spark lance
live players have days and weeks to work on each trial. TGC will not release all quests at once. The Trial of Water would prolly be the only one available furing the first days/ weeks to give everyone equal opportunities to learn how the new games work
jolly juniper
heres a terrible take, gacha rolls for old items 
dont take it seriously lol its a joke
steady pond
lets just add lootboxes why not! (joke)
prisma swallow
Hey beta users! I heard about the recent update regarding the traveling spirits and I want your opinion. If things continue as they are, would it be better to buy the pass now and get the items, or still wait for traveling spirits? I don't really care for the ultimate item this season, but I need that water cape and pants
@olive wolf I would recommend getting a pass right now with 2 friends if you can afford it. Otherwise a few cosmetics won't make much of a difference.
topaz nebula
I’ll trade every virtual cosmetic no less than 200 American dollars 😂
oak delta
Yes @hollow compass my response was to reply to the post about the revamp supposedly not getting into live so why are people complaining.
topaz nebula
Who here watched the hobbit trilogy and wats ur fav one?
potent heron
not really a beta topic
rain delta
I feel like our conversation on this thread has been going round n round...
hollow compass
@olive wolf Just to clarify: there is no upcoming change to the TS and you can buy the AP if you like the cosmetics and want to support TGC.
@oak delta Sorry, maybe I misread your comment then.
sturdy anvil
Getting back to ads point,It's optional for f2p players, if you think you don't wanna get of your lil dreamland or don't want to go another fine pay the skilla.Just k ow any kid who has a phone will have to see ads,We literally get bombarded by ads on apps like YT. I think saying you have never come across irrelevant ads online is pretentious.We live in the real world, whoever owns a phone and uses it will have to watch ads(Unless you play strictly paid non-ad app) Heck even academic apps have crazy ads.An ad free internet experience is impossible unless Sky is the only app you have.
zinc prawn
Stay on topic please 
potent heron
whats f2p players
mighty estuary
Free to play Players
topaz nebula
That DOESNT apply to me 😂
prisma swallow
Do we have to repeat each trial after eden for the winged lights?
potent heron
Well you don't HAVE to collect wing light after eden
mighty estuary
Cave of prophecy will be the last in my list of wl run
desert mango
I will do trials daily...i love the gameplay...beautiful maps too
olive wolf
@olive wolf Just to clarify: there is no upcoming change to the TS and you can buy the AP if you like the cosmetics and want to support TGC.
@oak delta Sorry, maybe I misread your comment then.
@hollow compass
I understand there is no official change. But someday in the future, they might change that, and I don't want to miss out on a cosmetic if they do change something in the future.
bold wolf
All Sky kids shall master the four elements
minor moss
What's the potential change people are talking about here?
broken laurel
@minor moss Check the latest beta update #beta-announcements
charred harbor
it is disappointing what TGC did with the latest sky live update. 1 filter out a lot of bugs that they were supposed to fix in disappointing beta 2. the players are entering the new area not a filter was used I see players everywhere with the new attitudes it is too DISAPPOINTING
minor moss
I see no problem with this change.
hollow compass
@olive wolf seriously, you don't need to worry about that. There will be an official announcement from TGC in good time before any change happens. There are lots of things that get tested in beta and never make it to Live. This change was the first idea and there will probably be a new one soon, considering "the outrage" here. 😉
olive wolf
Ok thx for the advice and wisdom!!! I'll try not to worry too much about it
spark lance
On this current system, we are only required the current or upcoming season's AP to qualify for previous season AP-exclusive item.
A friend of mine is upset that they had to pay for that season's AP AND this season's AP to get both, While we get them for the price of one AP only.
At least TGC doesn't require us to buy special "catch-up AP's" to satisfy the salty vets (only some of them are salty, there are genuine good ones too)
Think about it
TGC has the right to do that, and rightly so
runic path
On this current system, we are only required the current or upcoming season's AP to qualify for previous season AP-exclusive item.
A friend of mine is upset that they had to pay for that season's AP AND this season's AP to get both, While we get them for the price of one AP only.At least TGC doesn't require us to buy special "catch-up AP's" to satisfy the salty vets (only some of them are salty, there are genuine good ones too)
Think about it
@spark lance if they make catch up AP lower the ts price but keep f2p play buyable. Imo I will support this decision.
rain delta
Make sure you guys send feedback, but also let’s keep a close eye and an open mind on the changes that TGC is planning! if we look at it a bit objectively, we may like the changes.
Also, this is just the first iteration!
bold wolf
@spark lance not sure how far back you were in the convo but one of the biggest reasons of testing out this new TS system is to alleviate the grindiness of Sky, not to appease old time sky kids. Would recommend reading krilltjn's most recent comments to get a good idea why they're testing this feature
spark lance
That's the thing. F2p players cannot access the AP-exclusive stuff because (some of the) the vets are complaining that they paid for the AP during the season and grinded for seasonal candles for longer, why would other players get them for only white candles?
minor moss
Wait, I do see one problem. Between seasons, both the previous and upcoming passes should work for traveling spirits.
That way, people aren't at all pressured to preorder a pass for a season they might not like just to get one traveling spirit.
potent heron
lmao not to be salty but the only thing the new system does is cause us to have to grind candles in game and money irl
broken laurel
@spark lance This absolutely makes sense! Fairness is relative. I'm just hoping it would possible for players that cannot afford AP to have a chance to enjoy the cosmetics as well 🙂
After all they've waited for months to get them
spark lance
@bold wolf I was here since the first hour of that update from yesterday.
All I'm saying is, I'm sure TGC doesn't make decision solely on grinding alone. They must have considered all factors, and all levels of players too. Newbies and veterans alike
sturdy anvil
I don’t know if it will make it to live, but if it does, I'll lose loads of my mates.Personally I don’t care about TS items, but my mates do who CR just for that aspect
prisma swallow
Guys, a lot of people have come up with the discount on TS cosmetics for AP holders suggestion. Leave it in #beta-feedback, the more feedback they get, the better decision TGC makes 🙂
spark lance
Discussion of and actual solicitations is discouraged in this server @versed bison
rocky swallow
If you can't afford AP why don't you find some AP's owner, offers them by buying with heart ? Keep saying about money but don't even put some effort.
@versed bison not all ap owners are good enough to give others ap too
broken laurel
If you can't afford AP why don't you find some AP's owner, offers them by buying with heart ? Keep saying about money but don't even put some effort.
@versed bison Idek you can get AP by doing this until rn lmao
sturdy anvil
Gifts APs Won't help you here.And bold of you to assume that all owners want that.Many of tem.own tons of heart already.
real mica
So I will have to get to the point of having to beg for AP to AP owners... Uhh no pleasee
dark quail
just completed Valley constellation after 3 months and is now out of hearts...
(Not soliciting, just saying that even as a longtime player I don’t have stacks of hearts/candles on hand)
opal estuary
I suddenly remembered when Dev said that the ultimate gift would be resold. A lot of people around me said it was a priceless souvenir not for sale. But are the benefits of free players possible?
prisma swallow
I don't think TGC like the concept of 'trades', so don't discuss about this on the server
broken laurel
I doubt if a lot of AP owners will do it too tho like AP costs real money bruh
potent heron
Its just a game guys. please don't beg ap owners to buy it for you
dusty prairie
AP?
spark lance
Discussion of and actual solicitations and such transactions is discouraged in this server. Please do not pursue this topic
sturdy anvil
Yeah we are human beings with dignity after all
dark quail
@dusty prairie Adventure Pass
dusty prairie
@dusty prairie Adventure Pass
@dark quail I get it, thank you
placid linden
I just had a look in #wishlist-and-ideas-archived , so many people are complaining about the new ts system from BETA. Facepalm
sturdy anvil
Okay who else is worried about losing f2p friends who do CRs for TS?
bold wolf
@spark lance that makes sense. I just don't like the term salty vets. Maybe some of them were salty but maybe there were others who were genuinely concerned about the value of what they had paid for that is now free. I think it's more important to discuss about ways to better what we have without needing to bash a group of people 
dusty prairie
Okay who else is worried about losing f2p friends who do CRs for TS?
@sturdy anvil me
opal estuary
If it is important to earn more Dev income, then why are there people who are opposed to selling the ultimate gift while easily dispelling the benefits of free players?
spark lance
@bold wolf My messages stemmed from the original discussion of my actual vet friend from season one who hates the idea of seeing us (her other friends) in fancy cosmetics from Sky's ios only days. She's and her kind are the salty ones, I wasn't referring to all vets as a whole.
If you would reread my messages, I made sure to quote that only some are salty and there are genuine good ones
sullen relic
elius, from some bits and pieces i've seen around, it looks like it's been posted to public facebook groups -- people aren't keeping it in here properly
versed bison
I just sympathize for Dev. I didn't mean anything else 🥺. I know many of you can't but dev need income to live.
last crater
Some players doesn't have income. Some students and cannot afford the pass. I hope they consider for the benefit of other players
vital sentinel
We still discussing this matter, i see
zinc prawn
My whole life consists of so much school that every time i read “AP” here, i think of all my AP classes ☠️
broken laurel
If it is important to earn more Dev income, then why are there people who are opposed to selling the ultimate gift while easily dispelling the benefits of free players?
@opal estuary I personally take ultimate gifts as a souvenir to the players that paid for & experienced the whole season. It's like how theme parks don't remake souvenir from previous years.
sullen relic
@opal estuary bringing back ultimate gifts isn't something that's currently being tested in the beta -- i can understand how that seems like a related topic to what's currently being discussed, but earlier mentions of ultimate gifts have sorta derailed and confused the discussion in here relative to what's actually being tested right now, so i might recommend against bringing that up right now personally
minor moss
I can't find an image of the fire prophet's shop. Does anyone have one on hand?
vital sentinel
AP for me is acetylcholine pathway
rain delta
@vital sentinel what is that?/
spark lance
Some players doesn't have income. Some students and cannot afford the pass. I hope they consider for the benefit of other players
@last crater TGC cannot choose sides. They cannot decide on something to please only one side / group of players.
They have to consider everything they can.
placid linden
@bold wolf That simply isn’t true though, think of what you consider as free. Yes, you can get TS items without paying real money but you still need to SPEND TIME grinding candles (120 on average and then of course hearts too).
sturdy anvil
Heavily Discount price for AP holders,keeping TS same for f2p. That hopefully will encourage on the fence players.IF TGC still need money well, f2p players better have nonintrusive ads in specific places like home or going to a realm and also banner ads on settings but nowhere else-still gotta play Sky and do CRS
limber tusk
time is money
vital sentinel
@rain delta uhhh well its something i learned in med school-
Acthylcoline is a chemical in human body
crisp cliff
what is f2p?
opal estuary
It's just that I've seen around me, a lot of people HAPPY about this change and find ways to make it come true.
broken laurel
@rain delta uhhh well its something i learned in med school-
Acthylcoline is a chemical in human body
@vital sentinel looll my dumb life sciences brain telling me that i know this word but i dont know it as well
clear cargo
what is f2p?
@crisp cliff
Free to Play
limber tusk
@crisp cliff my assumption is free to play? but idk i’ve never seen it before
mighty estuary
I think i see someone in screenshot channel playing sky and getting ads to download sky
vital sentinel
@broken laurel its okay i already forgot the pathway anyway
rain delta
@vital sentinel thats soo cool, searched it up so it’s something that’s used in the brain synapses! What is its primary function? It sounds cool haha
opal estuary
They attack free players and assume that free players deserve it because they don't pay for the game
crisp cliff
oh got it thanks@clear cargo
sturdy anvil
It's just that I've seen around me, a lot of people HAPPY about this change and find ways to make it come true.
@opal estuary For that we need to post feedbacks in #beta-feedback
In favor of free TS and discounts for AP
vital sentinel
@rain delta it have lots of primary function, but most notable one is to activate muscle
runic path
Actually, if pass holder get discount form ts. Tgc will lose money where some don't do CR but want to get the ts's stuff. This kind of player will buy candle pack. And candle pack is more expensive than a AP
gilded parrotBOT
the traveler ||wanders through misty groves to find a valley where the river lies||
opal estuary
I did that. Of course I'm a pass buyer, but I'm really sick of their poisoning, to be honest
bold wolf
@placid linden I'm confused on what I said isn't true (not sure which comment you were replying to). I was merely commenting on the trend of framing the issue as "vets vs new players."
rain delta
@vital sentinel XD thank you XD
real mica
bruh
minor moss
Do the AP-only items from the TS still have their own separate costs?
limber tusk
@runic path they already said they will be taking a loss on this to help the community be happier, this is the reason why we test
sturdy anvil
GO VOTE PPL #beta-feedback Don't think you are the majority and just sit around.You have to have your voice heard
broken laurel
@rain delta it have lots of primary function, but most notable one is to activate muscle
@vital sentinel I can't remember where I heard it from lmao I was not taking any neuroscience courses so that must be from a biochem or molecular bio course (totally irrelevant to the game but like this bugs me
rain delta
It’s a fun conversation thread, I like it.. science is always fun :d
vital sentinel
@broken laurel its biochem btw
plain ember
Keep it sky related pls
broken laurel
Sorry it just bugged me hahahhahaa
placid linden
@bold wolf I was referencing this comment, specifically the last part; Maybe some of them were salty but maybe there were others who were genuinely concerned about the value of what they had paid for that is now free.
latent oar
We need a break
rain delta
But we’ve been talking about the TS update for almost 48 hours now.. and bringing up the same points... is no one bored of that yet?
desert mango
Life..., if you dont have money you go without... Why should this game be any different...they already give away free currency for your time which is for you working .. Collecting candles... Cant expect anything for just being lazy...,the whole reason for this change is because people complain about the grind ..,if you dont like a game dont play it ...im sure those who complained about putting a bit of work in “the grinding“ ( which is easy work not hard) shall be regretting saying anything ... ( All of this is my opinion and i dont mean to sound cruel)
limber tusk
some people really make me wanna face palm.. people are sharing photos of the live version in the prophecy caves and no one is believing me when i tell them the way they get in is illegitimate :,) some people push my buttons sometimes.. just wait
spark lance
I did that. Of course I'm a pass buyer, but I'm really sick of their poisoning, to be honest
@opal estuary wdym?
opal estuary
Life..., if you dont have money you go without... Why should this game be any different...they already give away free currency for your time which is for you working .. Collecting candles... Cant expect anything for just being lazy...,the whole reason for this change is because people complain about the grind ..,if you dont like a game dont play it ...im sure those who complained about putting a bit of work in “the grinding“ ( which is easy work not hard) shall be regretting saying anything ... ( All of this is my opinion and i dont mean to sound cruel)
@desert mango Those who complain are not all, are you in favor of attributive thinking?
rain delta
@limber tusk i saw someone in live who literally had all the emotes unlocked to level 2 and 3... how is that possible??
vital sentinel
@limber tusk i got there by accident btw, didnt know my friends actually in there and i quickly noped away from that cave
bold wolf
@placid linden ah okay, thank you for the clarification. I can't speak for all old time players, only the ones I know so that's just personal anecdote
broken laurel
Since most of us have settle on the AP-discount F2P-normal TS idea, just put them in in feedback pls xD I know TGC must have gone through a lot to propose this new system, so thank you TGC for reading our feedbacks and to polish the plan xD
limber tusk
in my opinion, grindingshould not be the purpose of the game, but it takes up what, 2 hours? that feels like way too much time for a gsme that’s supposed to be social. personally grinding so much makes my mental health deteriorated, so i love this update but indeed it could be fixed
vital sentinel
@rain delta its possible btw... since the spirits actually already appeared in cave, but to get there you are either hacking or joined a friend who hacking-
latent oar
@limber tusk People here even reported they met players who have the glowing bug just like the one after trails, in live version ofc
spark lance
But we’ve been talking about the TS update for almost 48 hours now.. and bringing up the same points... is no one bored of that yet?
@rain delta No one requires anybody to participate in the discussion. This is a beta general chat and we can discuss things freely as long as it's related to beta and sky content while also adhering to the server's rules. We can also discuss multiple topics at a time. You don't have to participate if it is not interesting for you. It is for some of us.
real mica
@vital sentinel or joined a friend who joined a friend who joined a friend who is hacking
spark lance
@rain delta its possible btw... since the spirits actually already appeared in cave, but to get there you are either hacking or joined a friend who hacking-
@vital sentinel #beta-discussion message
desert mango
Attributive thinking is nothing to do with it ...its about keeping a balance and everything being fair for everyone
placid linden
in my opinion, grindingshould not be the purpose of the game.
@limber tusk I don’t think Sky is forcing everyone to grind and I’d even say it was never intended to be a solo effort.
broken laurel
Wait am I the only one who enjoys getting through the barrier by oob and just sitting in the cave (not the actual caves of prophecy, just the one where they put the portal)? Like you can't go really deep into the cave once the portal is open
onyx summit
I just now got to read the update notice and I reaaaally hope that they don’t make it connected to the adventure pass. It’s not right I feel, and it just alienates free to play sky Kids. A big factor in me buying the season pass is if I can probably just wait until the ts comes. But if I JUST want something from the ts, and nothing from the actual season, and I have to buy the season pass to get it??? Heck no!! Grinding is a part of the game and if people are lazy and don’t want to grind they won’t get the cosmetics. People who actually care about it WILL grind and work for it!
sturdy anvil
This game can be made to speed up2x,3x faster.when you hold hands, the speed is the the combind highest. 2x the speed means you can completer the whole realm in a hour. This works.
real mica
What about make grinding easier and faster
vapid stag
TGC has identified the current grind as a problem which is why they're even considering this change. It seems silly to say "grinding is part of the game, get over it!" when the developers seem to considering it a problem and worth trying to change
tender knoll
People be complaining about TS being expensive with daily 20 candles? We managed to finish constellation, trade hearts and prepared for TS in 15 candles.
desert mango
I think they should make people grind harder..to appreciate how lucky to beable to get stuff without money
onyx summit
This also begs the question of what will happen when there isn’t a season?? I just Don’t think that it should be connected to the season. And to people saying “make it easier” it isn’t that hard to do a Candle run if you want to do a candle run. I personally like the time it takes, and it feels so fulfilling finally getting enough candles at the end of it!
sullen relic
psychic, i believe the fastest it's possible to candle run all 6 realms is probably around the 1:30 - 1:45 mark (assuming very fast plant burns and very good luck with server merges) -- no matter how many players you have holding your hand, 1 hour is far too little time to manage 6 realms
broken laurel
TGC has identified the current grind as a problem which is why they're even considering this change. It seems silly to say "grinding is part of the game, get over it!" when the developers seem to considering it a problem and worth trying to change
@vapid stag You don't have to grind if you pay tho wasn't this the whole thing in the old system? you got to choose between grinding and paying
kindred fossil
@desert mango
24 hours candle run let's go
sturdy anvil
Bruh fastest 2 hrs that is with the current speed. Reread what I said.I said speed up the game like many other ones like among Us does.2x or 3x give us option to spee up
tender knoll
The candle run seriously only takes 2 hours. People who are complaining about must be contributing 2 minutes.
vapid stag
I'm not saying that anyone HAS to grind, but if TGC was happy with the current situation they wouldn't have even bothered implementing such a contentious change. I think it's fair to assume they have identified this as a problem
onyx summit
I personally think that it’s a reasonable trade off. I love the feeling of finally getting all those candles at the end of it and knowing your hard work has paid off. It makes it just as good of a feeling getting the cosmetic.
kindred fossil
not everyone got 2 hours to spare, most of my friends rely on me
latent oar
"Grinding becomes a problem" might considered as a majority opinion through feedbacks from surveys or channels that's other than Discord too.
placid linden
I said it yesterday and I’ll say it again today, people who complain about the wax collecting and grinding aren’t interested in the game, they just want to unlock certain cosmetics. Once they get them they’ll stop playing.
onyx summit
I'm not saying that anyone HAS to grind, but if TGC was happy with the current situation they wouldn't have even bothered implementing such a contentious change. I think it's fair to assume they have identified this as a problem
@vapid stag just saying, TGC wasn’t the one who first called it a problem. It says that people were complaining, not that TGC thought it was a problem. I’d rather grind and do the work rather than pay 10 dollars every time I want to get something from a ts.
vapid stag
They have access to a lot more data about how players feel and act than anyone here on the discord does
spark lance
People we only to have light candles and burn plants and/ or hover over them when they pop. It's not like we have to defeat a boss or anything to earn candles. And it's called a game. You play it. You spend time on it. You earn friends along the way, and you all get to dress up in new stuff every two weeks.
desert mango
I have a new saying ..“Enjoy the grind or leave cosmetics behind“ 😂😂
kindred fossil
bruh moment
placid linden
I can think of a hundred ways to make the game harder, it’s actually difficult to make it easier than what it is right now.
real mica
Maybe other ways to earn candles besides farming all 6-7 realms... bruh I don't know what would make it easier for people who don't like to grind
dark quail
Not everyone has 2 hours to spare every single day to grind candles – remember that there are also potentially young kids playing too
broken laurel
Maybe other ways to earn candles besides farming all 6-7 realms... bruh I don't know what would make it easier for people who don't like to grind
@real mica other ways would include IAP which is what we've been doing rn
tough wedge
Everyone has 5 or 10 minutes to spare and you don't have to do it in one go
onyx summit
The new system genuinely upsets me. I know so many people who are already so sad about not being able to get stuff from the season, or the new Halloween things. The TS system rewards patience, and hard work, and dedication. While also making the game more accessible to people who don’t have money. You are all complaining about time and being busy and not the fact that the new system will make people miss out even more.
spark lance
no one said you're required to grind and spend two hours a day.
Farm for 2-3 realms for an hour, and you'll still end up with at least 100 candles by time the next TS arrives.
white horizon
No one is forcing anyone to grind though
latent oar
@placid linden Can't agree with this but indeed we can drop grinding by ourselves, (forcing to play a game isn't a good behavior) although it doesn't seems working for all people so dev started trying to improve their way
Imagine we have the same restriction like China server, daily max playing time is 1h30m for some of their users and you'll get shut out from games after that
broken laurel
Honestly is grinding the reason why TGC propose this system tho... Apparently ppl can avoid grinding just by buying the candle packs. If this is the reason why the new TS system is proposed it won't work that well cuz apparently ppl don't want to pay for TS 😂
kindred fossil
yeah just don't grind #stopgrinding ez
tender knoll
Since some were comparing sky with other games for IAP to boost characters. Dont the other games require gameplay??
onyx summit
I kid you not, I went on parts of a candle run every day for 5 days and had 70 candles by the time the ts came. I only went to 2-3 realms each time
placid linden
Not everyone has 2 hours to spare every single day to grind candles
@dark quail You’re missing the point though, this is a game....it’s leisure time (allegedly, although some people seem to have forgotten that). I don’t go around complaining that some people have bikini bodies because they go to the gym 2 hours a day and I don’t have the time.
dark quail
Fair point
tender knoll
Sky soon turning to IDLE HEROES
kindred fossil
makes you thonk
fluid quail
hai, this season contains 4 new wing lights right?
ember oriole
Not everyone has that kind of free time, games are supposed to relax you, not be a part of your time that you need to work around
kindred fossil
i'm sorry but i grind sky 2 hours a day to get ripped
rich plover
👀🍿
tough wedge
Sky is very relaxing and it helps my friends with anxiety. The candle runs keep them busy and not stressing
ember oriole
People don’t have the time to freely spend it on some game. They have school, they have tests, they have work, they have families
spark lance
okay, and to relax means to spend time on it...
You don't go to a spa and expect a full experience in 15 minutes, do you?
oh and also, you pay for spa
fluid quail
😂 i hope y'all find peace soon
kindred fossil
sky makes me go "GRAAAAAAAAAH" as i hold my tiny phone with my large muscular hands
ember oriole
Playing a game shouldn’t feel like a chore, but if you have the time to spend and you want to do it be my guest
rich plover
Well playing sky is up to you and grinding too no one is forcing you
kindred fossil
yea okay i'm done, i forgot it's reset
vapid stag
I don't get the resistance to lowering the grind? Do you guys really value the time you spend doing candle runs over doing other stuff in game?
broken laurel
I mean I don't mind spending time to collect candles to get TS cosmetics b/c the vets paid with real money to get them lol and like we need to do something at least is somehow equivalent in the game to get them?
spark lance
It's only a chore if you like to think it's a chore.
No one is forcing you to do anything. No one is even forcing you to play Sky.
kindred fossil
yeah just stop playing #gooutside
vapid stag
You didn't answer my question though, is that time something you value highly?
cloud iris
You're spending time with your friends, playing a game, which in itself counts as recreation/enjoyment.
If you have tests or school or absolutely any other work that you'd rather prioritize, so be it.
It's not the unwritten law to grind daily for hours on end. I honestly don't see the point of complaining about "grinding" so much.
At the end of the day, it's a game and more particularly, it's sky. It's supposed to bring you peace and joy. Consistent, rigorous, time consuming candle runs aren't all there is to the game.
rich plover
Stop complaining just because you think the game is keeping all your time in it. It was your choice to play.
limber tusk
i put seasonal candles in #beta-screenshots-videos btw! :)
onyx summit
Grinding is part of any mmo game I feel, it’s just always a part of the game genre. And if people care about the game, they will grind
rich plover
You can always stop no one will force you it's all up to you.
real mica
yeah no ones is forcing but much people grind to get the travelling Spirit cosmetics, since this is the only thing left to do in the game after you ... take Elder hair, for example
spark lance
Honestly, after a daily grind, I lose motivation to stay. That's why I play and fly around with my friends first, and grind for candles last. And yes, I do have a life outside sky too.
onyx summit
Exactly, after you finish the constellations there would be no point in getting candles if you have to pay for traveling spirits, it’s breaks the system
rich plover
Take a break to make time for yourself comeback when there's something going on in sky
spark lance
Which is why trials exist now people. Some players actually couldn't care less about the cosmetics. They just like to parkour.
onyx summit
I say Keep real money out of it, candles will lose their value. If you don’t want to grind then buy a candle pack! Don’t ruin the traveling spirits for the rest of us geez
vapid stag
I really hope that this season unlocks capeless 👀 I really like exploring the levels without being able to fly! But doing it through glitch is annoying
thin shell
So I just posted something on #beta-screenshots-videos, this current season's pendant is based on the light 
spark lance
Oh yeah it's reset. Time to poof 💨 See yall tomorrow.
Byeeee
🏃♂️ 💨
cloud iris
I say Keep real money out of it, candles will lose their value. If you don’t want to grind then buy a candle pack! Don’t ruin the traveling spirits for the rest of us geez
@onyx summit exactly. 💯
rich plover
Anyway popcorn anyone?🍿🍿🍿
vapid stag
Listen there's nothing like controversy to keep a chat interesting
tough wedge
Lol I've been lurking for a while and taking in everyone's point of view :3
onyx summit
We should like, start a petition for this or something. Not in a rude way but to let them know our thoughts about this, because I seriously feel like this is the wrong way to go if they want to fix this “problem”
To be honest I feel like it will cause more problems than it would fix
tough wedge
That's why we have #beta-feedback
onyx summit
Good point. I forgot we have that lol
tepid notch
lol
rich plover
Don't be shy to used #beta-feedback no one can see it except the devs 😉
spark lance
Pain
hollow compass
@vapid stag well, technically you are capeless in the trials.
tepid notch
wait... if you get beta, can you switch between beta and live freely? or is there a limit?
broken laurel
wait... if you get beta, can you switch between beta and live freely? or is there a limit?
@tepid notch well beta is a separate app. take it as a new sky game
runic path
After doing those trials. I understood how important that cape to a skykid. I don't want capeless anymore.
tepid notch
@tepid notch well beta is a separate app. take it as a new sky game
@broken laurel oooooo so its 2 seperate apps? (i dont want u to waste ur cooldown so jusr react with a laughing emote to say yes and dont react to say no)
stiff dagger
guys is the place with one big candle bunch and the prophecy questgiver legal? i teleported to my friend and found myself there
late mountain
guys is the place with one big candle bunch and the prophecy questgiver legal? i teleported to my friend and found myself there
@stiff dagger no, it’s not intended to be accessible yet in live
worn field
the prophecy area is not meant to be accessible yet (in the live game)
stiff dagger
oh gOD
hollow compass
The Prophecy cave has been open for weeks in beta. What do you mean, joshur?
worn field
i think we're talking about the live game 😄
sweet relic
Guys the trial of fire is showing me flames 🔥 😫 😩
eager hatch
Hello weird thing happen in non beta app, i tp to say hi to a friend... he was inside the prophecy area not the tube but 4 caves area sayd he tp to a friend and doesn't know how that one got in spirits are not there obviously except for guide
But I came across a chibi that had the new emotes and a hair and i don't know what to do but can't do anything also
grave wedge
Today's seasonal candles location pls?
hollow compass
I'm not sure why we need to bring up Live stuff in here. If you come across someone in Live who has hacked the new season's content just report them. We've already that happen way too much in beta. And there's not much us beta players can do about these things, sorry.
eager hatch
How u report unknown people?? I brought it here bc u cant say anything beta in non beta channels
hollow compass
!reportplayer
gilded parrotBOT
Here's some info on how to report players in the game: https://bit.ly/ReportFAQ
tawdry tree
They're usually using Prophecy emotions because they're showing off in Live. So act like you're inpressed. Clap at them, some even try to light me up first.
Do the clap emote then report them while clapping at your fine work.
gilded parrotBOT
The Prophecy is here? Hide!! 
hollow compass
And well, technically it isn't beta if it's happening in Live. 😉
sweet relic
Ummm hi all. It would seem the trial of fire is displaying flames 🔥 😅 to me.
sullen relic
i appreciate the sentiment nonetheless though: they're probably asking in here because there's a much lower chance of potentially spoiling anyone
hollow compass
Absolutely. But just like we've said so many times here, don't talk about hackers, just report them. It is a server rule, after all.
@sweet relic what do you mean by "displaying flames"? Where in the trial are you?
slow narwhal
When I reported hackers in beta I got a generic response telling me to report it in discord, so it could be confusing for some
sweet relic
@sweet relic what do you mean by "displaying flames"? Where in the trial are you?
@hollow compass I am struggling to complete it. The last part is so hard.
hollow compass
@slow narwhal you did? I have reported probably dozens and never got that. When did that pop up?
@sweet relic it would seem that fire trial works best when you're a group of friends and have warp unlocked.
sweet relic
Yeah. Guess I'll have to wait until it goes live tomorrow
slow narwhal
I went into details reporting some odd behaviour other than only flagging them, maybe last week?
hollow compass
Oh, I didn't know. Maybe bring it up with ThatHelpBot to change the message? I only use the quick prompt to be sure I have enough time before they sprint off.
slow narwhal
I tried that and got told to flag them or go into details if I knew how they were doing it, nothing noted about the behaviours...
So just made me think “oh well I tried!”
sturdy anvil
Why are some of my mates "In the middle of a challenge* on live
Cz they told me they were in eden?Is eden showing as a challenge rn like in beta bug
sterile plinth
It's a known bug, Psychic
late mountain
Live is currently a little bugged, beta might be too. Office or Eden shows up as in a challenge right now
sturdy anvil
Then good,I knew my mates are clean
vapid briar
Not a bug. Eden is considered a challenge, but not a Trial.
storm kiln
What's the ultimate item for prophecy?
late mountain
Ah okay, a change to the usual message then ^^ Thank you for clarifying. How about office?
sterile plinth
Oh, my bad
spark lance
can some one please please show me the seasonal candle locations? i only managed to find three.
desert mango
They are all in same area, as you land go to your right forward to the second set of dark plants
storm kiln
Since this season is about the elements, they missed out on the opportunity to have elemental-bending emotes like telekinesis lv 4. 
worthy tulip
Is the fire spirit still shy?
WOKE IM COMING
spark lance
Anyone got a map for the fire trial
@spark lance #beta-screenshots-videos message
fiery sun
are the prophets gonna get an actual name or is "Prophet of (insert element)" their official name?
kindred fossil
the latter
split sequoia
Hey guys, what informations we have so far about ts pass? Just heard
hollow compass
It’s all in #beta-announcements
kindred fossil
and make sure to read the pins of this channel
spark lance
hello people. I'm sorry, but I don't understand. Wasn't this a beta only texture bug?
How did TGC think this looks good? It's now in live. 🤢 ||looks like somebody puked all over the place||, or ||wiped poop chocolate on the walls||
#beta-screenshots-videos message
kindred fossil
i don't really know, it looks good in some places, others not so much
spark lance
I like the frost on the floors, it's wintery and icy white. But brown... did they really have to? 🤢
vapid stag
its guano from the halloween bats
fiery sun
i think its mud, considering its always raining and wet in forest
spark lance
I loved that chibi spirit cave in forest and sometimes goes in there to practice my piano. Now I can't bear to look at it 🤢
kindred fossil
puke it all out, don't hold back
latent oar
more realistic
spark lance
i think its mud, considering its always raining and wet in forest
@fiery sun okay, but is it really necessary to wipe the mud on the walls? 🤢
coral flume
The texture looks good with snow but-
fiery sun
i dont think it's "wiped" there
also, you can leave a live-feedback of what you think about the new texture if you want
spark lance
I did submit my feedback, thank you. I can't unsee it 🤢
rain delta
Hmm I think it looks fine
split sequoia
If I have a question about the beta update can I ask it here?
wispy venture
I only seem to find only 3 seasonal candles, anyone know where are they this time??
kindred fossil
sure
whole rampart
!seasonwhentellmebruh
gilded parrotBOT
The season begins on Monday as the prophecy has foretold...
dusky sinew
WH
kindred fossil
yeah it's starting tomorrow, make sure to check in on #general-sky-discussion for the countdown 🥳
@wispy venture #beta-screenshots-videos message
split sequoia
"Only the items that were tied behind the Season of Belonging Adventure Pass will have the AP restriction," I don't understand what this mean, anyone explain? thank u
rain delta
Guys let’s not start this discussion again ;-;
@split sequoia It basically means that the AP locked items on the spirit during its season, will be AP locked when it comes back as a TS
spark lance
kindred fossil
discuss what, they're asking for clarification
split sequoia
Guys let’s not start this discussion again ;-;
@split sequoia It basically means that the AP locked items on the spirit during its season, will be AP locked when it comes back as a TS
@rain delta but what do they mean by behind the season of belonging?
rain delta
Usually that;s how it started off in the past 48 hours
@split sequoia Its just wonky wording, but a better way of phrasing it would have been “Season of the corresponding Adventure pass” basically the AP locks will correspond to the AP lock set for the season the spirit was in
kindred fossil
there's no helping it, let people discuss /shrug
spark lance
My friend in sky has a Trypophobia . She didn’t like the new texture. She siad that it makes her stressful and discussed.
split sequoia
I see now, thanks alot guys ♥️
fiery sun
isnt trypophobia fear of holes?
spark lance
google it. go to google images specifically
rain delta
😰😰😰 yup it is, and do not google it omg you will be scarred
spark lance
Yes , it is . Look at the circles there , they look like holes
🤢 ugh now I can never unsee it. aahhhh TGC fix this please
rain delta
Mwahahaha guess who’s going to just look at the crabs and not the walls after hearing this XD meeee
fiery sun
you can write a feedback about how you feel about this texture. maybe they can remove the holes or polish the textures to make the players feel safer 
spark lance
im getting goosbumps. i see it everywhere now 🤢
Oh my god , sorry . I didn’t mean to make you think this way . I tried to describe what my friend thought.
delicate locust
Wiat what texture u guys talking about?
spark lance
the new textures in the realms.
it used to be what we thought was a beta only bug.
but the update in the live game came with the new textures too
delicate locust
No like which realm and area?
Hvnt been on beta today
late mountain
I think its an update to make the textures more realistic
spark lance
I think its an update to make the textures more realistic
@late mountain but sky is an alternate world. it doesn't have to look exactly like the human world.
Yes , but the circles weren’t necessary.
late mountain
I'm just saying what I think it is. Personally I quite like it but I can understand some might not.
latent oar
I appreciate the simple graphic but I'm already getting used of the new one
dark quail
What holes?
simple bobcat
I like the new textures, they're kind of repetitive in areas, but it looks so much more like snow in valley 
and makes wasteland look little more dirty especially in shipwreck area, I think it's cool! Maybe not necessary in that little cave
spark lance
Extra textures is fine. I'm sure TGC's artists worked hard for them. I even like the frosty snowy grounds. But not the poop chocolate stained walls,
Also: holes 🤢
rustic hearth
"Only the items that were tied behind the Season of Belonging Adventure Pass will have the AP restriction," I don't understand what this mean, anyone explain? thank u
@split sequoia afaik, if the TS came from Gratitude, Lightseekers or Belonging. You cannot get all of its cosmetics. Take for example for todays TS. You can get the hat but not the mask, level 2 and level 4 emotes. Unless tou have an adventure pass of the current season.
spark lance
I don’t have any problem with it . I just said what my friend feel about it . She doesn’t have discord so she can’t write a feedback . I was wondering if anyone thinks like her
jade kayak
almost every person i meet has prophecy emotes rn, in live ver 
kindred fossil
@rustic hearth
no that applies to all seasons, just wonky wording
fiery sun
almost every person i meet has prophecy emotes rn, in live ver
@jade kayak report them
gilded parrotBOT
The Prophecy is here? Hide!!
latent oar
@jade kayak ...give them a good report button 
delicate locust
almost every person i meet has prophecy emotes rn, in live ver
@jade kayak pleas tell them to not use it or show it unless they want to get banned or stuffs
spark lance
dense whale
/hey im not here for spoilers just question why is fire boi shy (please ping when answering, i dont want to scroll and read all the other stuff) thanks
fiery sun
they cant "tell" them to not use it you cant chat players
if you said 
, i dont think they'd listen either. they'd just log off so it's better if you report them sneak sneak
spark lance
They spoiled it for themselves. The music and the memories of the prophets are one of a kind. They ruined their own experience by not being patient. I can't wait to relive the memories in live on the actual season opening. I want to experience them again legitimately.
hollow compass
@dense whale fire boi isn’t shy anymore and can be found in the Prophecy cave.
rustic hearth
@rustic hearth
no that applies to all seasons, just wonky wording
@kindred fossil eh? Can you atleast give me a wording so that I can search it on this server if this is true. And that this came from atleast, ktjn or tgc staff?
spark lance
@dense whale he isn’t really shy . We said that because he wasn’t shown in the beta version
dense whale
@dense whale fire boi isn’t shy anymore and can be found in the Prophecy cave.
@hollow compass /okay i see but why was he shy before the update?? ( do ping again)
kindred fossil
source: dude trust me
late mountain
/hey im not here for spoilers just question why is fire boi shy (please ping when answering, i dont want to scroll and read all the other stuff) thanks
@dense whale Beta had a bug that prevented him from appearing until a few days ago over the whole testing beta time till now. It became a running joke he was then shy
hollow compass
@dense whale because he was somehow bugged and didn’t show for us players. It took a while for TGC to work out why.
spark lance
I think because he has a different build as compared to the normal height spirits.
dark quail
On a rando side note I love the emote
spark lance
@dense whale he didn’t have enough pants for us
dense whale
/oooh okay! thanks !
latent oar
Forest elder: nods
rustic hearth
source: dude trust me
@kindred fossil haha. But i cant trust someone who spreads misinformation until it came from tgc and/or proof that your claim is true.
hollow compass
Victim, Dark is correct. It applies to all TS. You need an AP either for the current or the coming season to be able to unlock some nodes that were previously also locked behind and AP.
latent oar
@rustic hearth then you might want to search for their messages here, its still on testing stage and we don't actually know their entire plan atm xD
spark lance
Victim, Dark is correct. It applies to all TS. You need an AP either for the current or the coming season to be able to unlock some nodes that were previously also locked behind and AP.
@hollow compass I don't have pass from any previous season how am I suppose to get pass?
hollow compass
@spark lance what?
worthy tulip
Ngl Dark haunts the beta discussion channel 24/7 so I'd trust them lmao
simple bobcat
Pavel_birdy, please read the first pin in this channel
spark lance
You said we need pass to obtain TS cosmetics yeah? I came here because I was reading a wishlist
#wishlist-and-ideas-archived message
And people told me to head over to beta general chat.
latent oar
@spark lance #beta-announcements has your answer
fiery sun
they arent supposed to "wish" for that, since it isnt even in Live yet
simple bobcat
If you read the pins it will tell you this isn't coming to live game at this moment, and it's to test things at an early stage
kindred fossil
the AP locked items will be locked behind the current season's pass, not past seasons
rain delta
@dark I think they’ll be locked behind the corresponding season of the TS...
hollow compass
I reported the wish list post, because it breaks server rules. I wish people would respect that beta stays in beta.
kindred fossil
what
hollow compass
No, they will be locked behind the currently running or the upcoming season.
rain delta
What who? What is going on a trip to prophecy >< I kid ignore me
@hollow compass oh really? Hmm okay I thought it was whatever season they belonged to... like gratitude spirits have the gratitude AP Locks
kindred fossil
please ktjn, some clarification...
it goes like this: past items that were AP only will remain AP only BUT you need the AP of the currently running season to unlock these items
hollow compass
@rain delta
“If you don’t own the current Adventure Pass when trying to unlock an item in the Spirit’s Friendship tree, you’ll be prompted to buy one before you can proceed. For the Traveling Spirits that visit in between Seasons, those items will require pre-ordering the upcoming new Season’s Adventure Pass.”
rain latch
Yeah that would be pointless what about new players they wouldn't have access to the new TS items even with a current AP.. people would quit the game
kindred fossil
new players wouldn't even know a season is going on, but alright
speaking from experience
latent oar
Ah we are here again
rain delta
It says the season of belonging adventure pass - I take that to mean the season of the corresponding adventure pass
@hollow compass that doesn’t really answer my question >< that just says we need an AP and will be asked to purchase one ><
spark lance
@spark lance #beta-announcements has your answer
I got my exact answer and sorry for texting here
minor bough
here we go again ~ 
rain latch
@dark I'm agreeing with you
kindred fossil
okay but you're talking about new players who are looking to purchase from a TS, no? they wouldn't even know it's there until much later
serene fern
Just got off eden and here we go again I am at the stage at accepting, you ok bro?
fiery sun
there are no plans of putting this in Live, though, TGC wants to hear everyone's feedbacks, so I guess its okay
kindred fossil
i'm at the "never cared" stage, i already voiced the feedback i have
rain delta
Sequoia we’re just trying to understand what the words in the update meant haha
dense whale
/hi guys i jusst type out a very long feedback into live feedback channel and it's about beta and i dont want to retype it help im so very sorry ( ping if you want to reply)
rain latch
I'm saying it wouldn't make sense for them to require the corresponding season pass how could they if they came in just recently under season of sanctuary as the other person insinuated
simple bobcat
Endenover, it says current AP (so current season AP)
rustic hearth
Victim, Dark is correct. It applies to all TS. You need an AP either for the current or the coming season to be able to unlock some nodes that were previously also locked behind and AP.
@hollow compass but as far as I understand from the "Only the items behind the Season of Belonging Adventure Pass will have an AP restriction" the restriction will only apply to the TS from the first 3 season. But not from the Rhythm and the latter season. Correct me if im wrong.
kindred fossil
@dense whale
just uh, copy paste it to the #beta-feedback channel...?
rain delta
Omg I get that... the confusion is regarding the “season of belonging adventure pass” words - some people are saying the AP mocked items will follow the AP lock in the current season
But I’m thinking it’s the AP lock of the season it came from
Ex. The gratitude spirit this time - it’s AP locked items don’t follow the AP lock on prophecy but, whatever AP locks it had during its season —- I’m assuming when the spirit was live in its season, the hat was not AP locked?
dense whale
just uh, copy paste it to the #beta-feedback channel...?
@kindred fossil/how??? i posted it and now it;s gone
hollow compass
@rain delta Where does it say you need Belonging in my quote? I don’t see it.
simple bobcat
That wouldn't make any sense though since the whole point of ts was to bring them back to give a chance for players who didn't have the opportunity to play previous seasons
kindred fossil
@dense whale
did you get the confirmation message? feedback is then deleted from the channel and sent to a private channel that only the devs can read
i'm afraid you might have to retype it again, next time before sending copy paste your text elsewhere/ write in a note app beforehand
dense whale
/ohhh noooo it's long. Verry long.
/thanks dark
hearty shard
Little question: what am I supposed to do on the fire trail with those glowing flying things?
unreal python
give them a big hug
late mountain
run
kindred fossil
observe their pattern by deep calling, zooming out and moving the camera to a top view helps greatly
latent oar
feel their love
hollow compass
Lol, I think I know where the confusion stems from. Ktjn probably mistakenly wrote Belonging instead of Gratitude.
simple bobcat
I actually mix the names up for those two seasons up a lot too
gleaming yacht
https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/583370574449999880/762129918854955050
emh... I don't know anyone who buys candles-
hollow compass
It shouldn't really matter, it's just a principle: All items locked behind an AP in a previous season will require the current or coming season AP to unlock. It's really very logical, when you think about it. 😄
rustic hearth
I hope so. Bcoz if that is a mistake. Ktjn, might have already edit it a while ago since ktjn manage to online to discord a few hours ago.
kindred fossil
i once saw someone duke it out with the IAP shop to buy the TS in one go
hollow compass
@gleaming yacht lots of people buy candle packs on the first day of a season just to be able to get everything at once.
rugged pivot
It's actually a hint. The next Traveling Spirit is from Season of Belonging. 
kindred fossil
yeah, i remember seeing players having the ultimate rewards already by the 1st day
dark quail
confusion
i once saw someone duke it out with the IAP shop to buy the TS in one go
@kindred fossil That..was me with Rhythm tbh – I legit bought out the whole season in the first day, and I had like 250+ candles by the time the season ended cause I was doing the dailies after...
...Wait you were referring to traveling spirit...I've done that too quite a few times...tbh I really shouldn't be doing so though >>;
hollow compass
I've only ever bought seasonal candle packs when I've been like 10-15 candles away from finishing it, because by that time I'm a little tired of the season.
gleaming yacht
Again, is it really the vast majority? As a player, most of my friends (and I have a lot) don't buy anything except for adventure passes.
kindred fossil
are your friends a vast majority
golden coral
@cyan meadow In beta, everyone can do it-
rustic hearth
yeah, i remember seeing players having the ultimate rewards already on the 1st day
@kindred fossil same. I did this on Sanc. Tho, im happy at first. But in the long run. Its quite a let down. Haha, now im just regretting it putting a tons of $ in one candle spree for the manta cape.
simple bobcat
Same acorn, but I do have two friends who did tbat
hollow compass
Spookorn, if Ktjn says so I trust she has the numbers to back it up.
@cyan meadow The season starts on Monday in Live. Please don't ask those type of questions here.
gleaming yacht
they do represent a portion of the player base, it's just like a survey; you can't question the whole population, but you ask a small group of them
kindred fossil
maybe the vast majority was the friends we made along the way
sturdy anvil
One way or another I think optional ads must become reality. F2p must contribute financially somehow
golden coral
@cyan meadow there is no legal ways to do it, you can pass the barrier by glitching but not get in the prophecy cave. And please don't discuss it here, because its against the rules
And the new season is tomorrow, please wait 
simple bobcat
You'll be able to get in in live at next reset @cyan meadow
dark quail
I have morning class on Monday, sad...
kindred fossil
i don't want to see gardenscapes or "i can't reach pink color" ads on sky, even optional, no thanks
gleaming yacht
@hollow compass I also trust her, I'm just making an observation from my own experience. I'm sure a lot of people wouldn't be happy to see the traveling spirits behind a paywall.
fiery sun
i don't want to see gardenscapes or "i can't reach pink color" ads on sky, even optional, no thanks
@kindred fossil no way,
golden coral
@cyan meadow uhh- please don't do it
hollow compass
@gleaming yacht I'm thinking TGC would have the statistics from purchases to back that statement up, more precisely. Some people are just rich, lol!
kindred fossil
@cyan meadow i know a very illegal non-legal way to get inside, i'll let you know by 00:00 monday PDT
gleaming yacht
@hollow compass Ofc... I agree. And after all, it's only 160k of us out of the 50 million here
fiery sun
there is no "legal" ways to pass through. otherwise, you'd get banned
turbid heart
many people has stated but pls don't try to get into the new area. heck it's coming 24 hour? what's the rush even.
kindred fossil
yeah moving on
sturdy anvil
Bruh something comes at a price Let's hope discount TS works. But if it doesn’t? If that suggestion falls short of TGCs revenue expectation?What will they do?They need to pay for ever increasing server.Theywill need more staff eventually. How will they pay for it.The only way this many f2p player can support is by watching non intrusive ads(I mada a layout of that earlier).TGC seems desperate to make more money.Either that or they arent well off financially
spark lance
Heres how you get in ||go to reversed orbit||
hollow compass
@cyan meadow Please don't ask for these type of things here. You are breaking both server rules and potentially TGC ToS. The season starts on Monday. Go outside and take a walk instead.
safe ridge
Well, some people managed to get inside the cave already. It's crazy.
fiery sun
let's not just...assume they're "desperate for money"
They havent added any ads on any of their games. I'd doubt they would add one on Sky
kindred fossil
this change has nothing to do with TGC's financial situation
and this happens ever since the last two seasons, it's nothing new lol
mental otter
it's in the update announcement itself that they implemented this system because some people complained about the stressfulness of candle grinding. where was financial problems stated there?
rustic hearth
It's like what happen on Sanc all over again. But the only difference here is that.. there's not much candle wax to collect there.
latent oar
It sounds normal since free to play games usually have only 1-5% population of heavy users who paid a lot for IAPs
And about this time Ktjn did mentioned they might make a loss for this changes, but they take players' concern about grinding at the first place
unreal python
ktjn even said that this new option they're testing would actually likely lose them money, so they're not trying out this change because it comes from a financial standpoint
late mountain
In theory, we actually stand to lose money making this change, but it's favorable to players.
-Ktjn
Link: #beta-discussion message
proven sonnet
It's like what happen on Sanc all over again. But the only difference here is that.. there's not much candle wax to collect there.
@rustic hearth What happened with sanc? :<
gleaming yacht
Advertisements would never arrive in the game... Sky is a huge success and no trace of financial issues has been detected/reported. And TGC would lose money, because people wouldn't buy candle packs because the of the changes; the prices lower and only an ap is needed.
latent oar
@proven sonnet Ghost players everywhere + plants not burnable
sturdy anvil
Can someone explain how they stand to lose money keeping AP as AP
mental otter
@proven sonnet people managed to find ways to enter the area despite the barrier/season not being launched yet
unreal python
people buy candle packs for traveling spirits at the moment @sturdy anvil so they stand to potentially lose $ from people not needing to buy as many candles if they have the AP pass with this potential change
rustic hearth
@rustic hearth What happened with sanc? :<
@proven sonnet like whats happening now. People TPying in to the new area even tho the season doesn't even started yet and supposed to be a restricted area. Until the season starts
late mountain
Can someone explain how they stand to lose money keeping AP as AP
@sturdy anvil See my message up about 3 posts from yours then follow the link.
unreal python
ktjn talked about it at length here earlier, if you want to search up her messages in this channel
proven sonnet
i really dont mind the new AP requirement for ts nodes but i just really want gifted passes to also be able to unlock nodes
becos
friendship
yes ;-;
gleaming yacht
And let's remember; as stressful this decision might be for several players, changes will occur and feedback will influence whether the system will hit live. We're not a game company nor do we have access to TGC's financial status.
spark lance
Live users at the borders:LET US IN
Beta users:
unreal python
I think they plan on introducing gifting preorder passes IF this change did end up coming to live, Dou!
worthy tulip
People trying to break into the Prophecy Caves early in Live make me laugh, it happened with Sanctuary too
proven sonnet
•u• thank u gais for answering my qs
im just a sky child who missed bthe beta wave so im perching here for tea
rustic hearth
i really dont mind the new AP requirement for ts nodes but i just really want gifted passes to also be able to unlock nodes
becos
friendship
yes ;-;
@proven sonnet but the problem starts when its off-season. The pre-order stuffs, and players who cant afford to buy AP.
sturdy anvil
Candle packs are highly expensive , I haven’t heard anyone who bought candle packs so..like 15 candles cost half the money for a season.Also I'm not sure how AP remains AP solves the grind really.They didn’t talk about a discount - we did.The current system just makes you grind irl for money and in Sky for candles.Also f2p missing out.
gleaming yacht
React below if you've ever purchased a candle pack:
unreal python
Ktjn mentioned that prices would potentially be adjusted for the spirits w/this AP thing. The only items that are behind the AP pass are the ones that were already locked behind AP in their original season
I know a fair amount of people who buy candle packs, including myself from time to time
proven sonnet
f2p still got em emotes tho
mental otter
While I can't go into exact numbers, the vast majority of people who obtain items off Traveling Spirits spend $ to do so. They don't grind for those items.
- ktjn
unreal python
thanks for quote searching megan
mental otter
happy to help
spark lance
Is the chaos starting again
turbid heart
I have bought candle packs. I also don't like the change because unlike me who has a stable income I have young friends in-game that are not so well off so this system just make me feel guilty for getting the cosmetics when they can't due to something they can't control.
On the other hand, Ktjn has stated the TS system was meant for Android players to catch up and not a free-for-all fes. Which imo they're shooting themselves in the foot consider the game pride itself in being "inclusive" but then they do this.
sturdy anvil
AP remaining AP, I'm still not clear how that solves grind.The beta update news didn’t contain discount. that's what many of us suggested
latent oar
tbh I started to like fire trail, I love suffering fshhvfuj
unreal python
The prices havent been adjusted yet Pirate
sturdy anvil
I didn’t say they have been adjusted
unreal python
So the thought is that the prices would be adjusted w/this AP system to cut down on the candle run grind for players. I think TGC is just testing options with our help to try and find the best solution possible for old and new players. This may not even be their only idea that they'll want us to test and provide feedback on
pallid badger
@cyan meadow your messages have been removed. As the community has warned you, accessing areas that are not yet released is against the rules and TOS.
near schooner
Hello guys, I’m a bit confused about the TS update
It says “items were tied behind Season of Belonging”. Which seasons does it mention?
sturdy anvil
latent oar
The project can be long, it's hard to see changes in like one to two days. (Especially when we're in weekend )
If your feedback is already done and delivered to dev, lets be patient and wait for their next update
hollow compass
It's probably a typo, and should say Gratitude, because that's where the current TS comes from.
gilded parrotBOT
the traveler ||walks along the quiet banks but not to the cave where creatures dwell||
unreal python
I think ktjn meant to say that items that were once locked behind the AP in their original season, are locked behind the current season AP pass when they return as traveling spirits @near schooner
proper helm
Well one thing is sure that they are gonna lose a lot players if they implement the new TS system.. Cuz people are gonna get the free items during the season itself anyway and then no one would bother to grind in sky at all
proven sonnet
AP remaining AP, I'm still not clear how that solves grind.The beta update news didn’t contain discount. that's what many of us suggested
They intend to but the solution for the grind isn’t there yet
near schooner
I think ktjn meant to say that items that were locked behind the AP in their original season are locked behind the current season AP pass when they return as traveling spirits @near schooner
@unreal python I mean which seasons?
unreal python
is less grinding a bad thing Geralt? I personally would love for my friends and myself to not have to spend hours candle running everyday....
@near schooner all past seasons i would think?
mental otter
if i understand correctly, "behind season of belonging"; this means that only seasons of gratitude until season of belonging are affected with the cosmetics locked behind an AP. correct me if i'm wrong though! 
safe ridge
It only means that ALL items that are tied with AP in their respective season should be AP locked soon.
proper helm
is less grinding a bad thing Geralt? I personally would love for my friends and myself to not have to spend hours candle running everyday....
@unreal python that's one of the most important things keeping the game alive imo.. candle running with ur friends in all realms.. would u rather like if sky turned into one big chat room whose size is 1GB?
latent oar
I read that as "Items that were tied with Belonging Adventure Pass" and the word Belonging should be Gratitude according to current TS. 
/bad readings
unreal python
Honestly, yeah in a way Geralt! I have heard a lot of people complain about how monotonous candle runs are. I would prefer less candle runs and more player challenges in sky, and more stuff like the races. It would free up more time to hang out and socialize with people instead of having to rush to the next dark plant or candle. I rarely friend people in the levels unless theyre deliberately hanging out at a social hub, because people are too focused on their runs.
frozen jay
well actually what makes player staying to play is because for candle run itself.. preparing for upcoming ts.. i also kinda disagree with the TS system that planned..
sturdy anvil
Btw,I have been playing for 4 months now.And last time I did a full CR was two weeks ago.(How irregular I am in grinds)Isle 43%,Prairie 43%,Forest 43%,valley done,GW 61%,Vault 46%.Even at this rate I will have done conste in next three months perhaps.If AP for AP comes after that well...
hollow jay
Under the new ts system, you still need to grind for the previously free stuff 😂 and I don't think they will lose a lot of players.
e.g. The crab mask needs AP but the monk hat is still free to get!
The real problem some guys are arguing about is actually that they want to get all free stuff, that's all Well... Gotta admit that.
But the new and old systems can co-exist.
unreal python
Geralt, I just dont think its healthy at the moment for people to spend hours everyday in sky JUST candle running...afraid to miss a day or spend candles on new friends because of the looming upcoming traveling spirit. I'm all for adjusting the grind, so i'm happy theyre coming to us for feedback on their ideas.
spark lance
Yes. We can always compromise. Besides, TGC can't simply make decisions in favor of players who directly contribute with real world money, or the other.
Vets and newbies alike, purchasing and non-purchasing players alike, we all affect each other's entire gaming experience as a group. All of us count.
proper helm
The free stuff doesn't require that much of grinding tho
Well not everyone has money.. Suppose u were expecting a particular TS and so u bought the season pass even tho u don't like the season cosmetics, but the TS didn't even come during the season.. what then?
sturdy anvil
They should put speeding up the game as an option.Like Among Us.2x speed and you can do all the realms in a hour.That will defo reduce the time for grind.
unreal python
Well that sounds like something good to submit to feedback then geralt Who's to say that this AP TS idea is their only thing they want to test
latent oar
Imagine the krills speed up too 💨
proper helm
They should put speeding up the game as an option.Like Among Us.2x speed and you can do all the realms in a hour.That will defo reduce the time for grind.
@sturdy anvil Nitro spell
sturdy anvil
Like any of us care about krills, home shield has basically rendered them useless
hollow compass
I think quick links to certain far off areas, such as Ark and Sanctuary, could be a solution to some time consuming travelling/transitions.
desert mango
After lot of thought over new system im 100 percent for it .... Its the most fairest way of doing it 🤍
proper helm
I think quick links to certain far off areas, such as Ark and Sanctuary, could be a solution to some time consuming travelling/transitions.
@hollow compass Yeah I suggested about that long back when enchantment arrived.. to have a portal to ark in wasty social space
errant saddle
After lot of thought over new system im 100 percent for it .... Its the most fairest way of doing it 🤍
@desert mango .. but.. why.. please do explain
spark lance
Okay so based on the information from today's discussion, here's a mini (thought maybe limited view) conclusion that I came up with:
Option 1:
Keep AP-exclusive items AP-exclusive in TS, but allow players who prefer not to buy the preseason and upcoming season pass to buy a new item:
A Catch UP Adventure Pass - an "adventure pass" exclusively for TS AP-exclusive items.
Option 2:
Give preseason and current season AP holders discounted (if not free) access to AP-exclusive items from TS, and give non-AP holders the chance to also but the same items at regular price.
sturdy anvil
After lot of thought over new system im 0% percent for it .... Its the most unfair way of doing it.
proven sonnet
Like any of us care about krills, home shield has basically rendered them useless
@sturdy anvil wdym?
unreal python
Yeah atipleb, I wish the spell boat in beta home was also there in live
kindred fossil
option 1 has been suggested a few times during the time TS were first introduced to beta >>
safe ridge
Do you realize that this new TS system was created right before the return of Season of Rhythm spirits? Why? Because everyone is dying to have a piece of this season's most sought-after items. Items that are so good that you can't just give in a small price and making it more expensive is not a good decision, so they created the AP locked system.
unreal python
I think that sounds like a conspiracy theory Batang
kindred fossil
i hope it is
spark lance
creative name. Batang Sky means Sky child/ Sky kid in Filipino so good
proper helm
They even put the pants in prophecy behind pass cuz people were much hyped about it.. masterstroke...
Moral: Don't create hype for good items
hollow compass
Lol, Batang!
proven sonnet
creative name. Batang Sky means Sky child/ Sky kid in Filipino
@spark lance i thought it was a play on BTS
unreal python
Ktjn has said that there are no plans to currently bring this system to live for the time being...its only in beta for our feedback atm. Theres already been a rhythm spirit and there may be more in the upcoming weeks though, so I dont think you have to worry!
kindred fossil
@proper helm don't trust hacked info 😂 they were never free to begin with 😂💯 🔥
latent oar
Hmm...it's easy for TGC to shut down all channels and make decisions themselves. But they take the hard way to collect our opinions for better game experience for players.
Either way you feel about this new system, please do write them down as a feedback so they can take them as reference. And once they're delivered we can move forward 
gleaming yacht
@proper helm The pants were never free. The illustrations in the info page in-game are just for reference
sturdy anvil
Yeah about that, rhythm fanbois and fangirls need to get hold of themselves .Always wnated to say this even as a moth I saw them hype.
proper helm
@proper helm don't trust hacked info 😂 they were never free to begin with 😂💯 🔥
@kindred fossil I mean they reorganized the spirit trees.. the AP cape was included in non AP items
unreal python
also remember that this discord is less than 1% of the sky population! so there may be more opinions we are not hearing, that tgc has access to
serene fiber
🙀excuse me but when the air trial become so hard? I’m stuck right at end at little flying isles impossible to do😭😭
kindred fossil
that's a given in beta, changes happen all the time
hollow compass
Geralt, reorganising the spirit trees always happens during beta testing. It's not a conspiracy theory.
gleaming yacht
oH yEs tGc aRe pAiD aCtOrS
spark lance
I'm still waiting for the rhythm questgiver to revisit. do they ever revisit?
How come enchantment and sanc questgivers get to stay?
Anubis will get to stay too....
sturdy anvil
🙀excuse me but when the air trial become so hard? I’m stuck right at end at little flying isles impossible to do😭😭
@serene fiber Don't get to those little isles, jump straight right into medi platform
hollow compass
@spark lance Quest givers won't return as TS, if that's what you're asking. The Ark and Sanctuary quest givers are there because they are connected to overall quests for those areas.
placid linden
How come enchantment and sanc questgivers get to stay?
Anubis will get to stay too....
@spark lance Because they are part of the new area
unreal python
Enchantment, Sanctuary, and Prophecy questgivers get to stay to help new moths upgrade the ark, island, and the cave! But they're separated from their seasonal friends
I would love it if sometimes the old questgivers could be chilling in the office, maybe at the lunch table 😂
sturdy anvil
@serene fiber I'll help you with air trial if you need
serene fiber
@sturdy anvil I tried ( that’s what I did previous time ) but wind always blow me away..
kindred fossil
just walk around and you might find a mini-rhythm questgiver, i'll even offer to dress up as him for 100$ a minute
latent oar
that's true though!!!
I'd like to greet all QGs 
spark lance
I would love it if sometimes the old questgivers could be chilling in the office, maybe at the lunch table 😂
@unreal python OMG we so need that. Maybe a Sky event?
placid linden
100 hearts per day. Good special offer
unreal python
That would be so fun! it could be a fun easter egg...I'd love to see Grandma Belonging again
sturdy anvil
Send me your QR @serene fiber
Air trial is cool
gleaming yacht
Oh my god I just saw a person with the fluffy purple rhythm cape except it was ALL RED
thin shell
So what's the heat now
serene fiber
@serene fiber I'll help you with air trial if you need
@sturdy anvil you are very kind but I’m not going to start all again
latent oar
@gleaming yacht Report button is in your hand
spark lance
It would be epic to see all the questgivers and the office spirits eating at the table at the office, or having a picnic at the rooftop
unreal python
Its like the behind the scenes cast member room at disney, but Sky edition
turbid heart
everyone still holding onto their opinions. Just gotta wait for TGC to read thru the wall of feedbacks and make the next move.
F i messed up n ping the wrong sana
sturdy anvil
@serene fiber let me know when yer over the line
latent oar
Dang I read it as eating the table, shook me a bit
spark lance
and Jenova will have a spirit version of himself introducing the questgivers and initiating some form of cutscene
unreal python
Its the weekend for TGC so I'm sure theyll wake up monday morning, open the discord gates, and unleash the flood of feedback we all left over the weekend
digital dove
Hey so a quick questions!
I just returned from eden
Should i get all my stars before the new season starts?
desert mango
Those who wont /dont grind leaves cosmetics behind .,, those who dont/wont pay have a wall in their way ... That's my new improved motto on my opinion.....😂
spark lance
That depends on you. You won't really need wings to finish the quest though... 😉
digital dove
Hmmm i mean trials
Does wing power is useful
gleaming yacht
It is but you have no wing power
spark lance
I've heard jenova actually already is one of the spirits in the office! I think its the one who's quest is all doom and gloom
@unreal python Wut. I must relive all the spirits all over again then
digital dove
Ohh ohk ohk
Then I don't need to do the star run that much serious
Tnx you all
unreal python
Yeah! I've been able to figure out his and then vincent's quest (which is easy, he's in the music room ) not sure who some of the others are, or the one in space 
turbid heart
one of my hobbies is placing table next to that one spirit in the office sky and watch people trying to land
spark lance
Wait vincent is an actual TGC staff? I thought he's an artist / celebrity they hired or sth...
thin shell
So what cape fits with fire boi's pants?
spark lance
Imagine, next next week (on the next TS), we might finally see that yummy 11th wedge
unreal python
Vincent also did the soundtrack for Flower, another TGC game! He's on the website too!
they got Aurora to do some of the songs though, so maybe thats who you're thinking of?
latent oar
Repeated TS: Henlooo 
hollow compass
@digital dove If you're not in beta, please use the Live channels for those type of questions. And recollecing WL is all up to you.
spark lance
I want the yoga spirit to return (I want its cape), but I'm also kinda looking forward to Enchantment spirits revisiting
Hello, is there any possibility for anyone to get any of the new seasons emotes? If not, I just met a player who had all of them 👀 (live edition, but the general chat won’t let me post anything related to the prophecy)
latent oar
@hollow compass trails aren't on live yet but I agree with you
digital dove
??? I just wanted to know whether mew season trials required wing power or not
I guess its not in live to ask there
Sorry if i misunderstood
I will go now🙏
turbid heart
I have Crab Call but I kinda want her to come back for my friend who missed her beautiful cape. Also I believe in Crab Call supremacy.
dark quail
I just wanted to know whether mew season trials required wing power or not
No, they do not
spark lance
Also, would it be weird if say, you had the enchantment pass, but failed to unlock all items, and then that exact spirit came as a TS but you don't have prophecy AP... then you'll miss the AP-exclusive item even though you had the actual season AP when it was live? You even have the enchantment pendant (which is so pretty ) to prove it
unreal python
@spark lance not possible through legitimate means, please report them!
spark lance
I think I just met a hacker. But sadly they left before I could do anything
here @pseudo granite
opal estuary
I have only seen that the pass buyers around me are starting to exorcise and exalt their special interests.
They don't consider the rights of free players to be important, I think sky is losing its inherent beauty
gleaming yacht
Well we must address the fact that most people own an adventure pass these days
strong canopy
Most people you know
latent oar
I understand what you mean, Iami. Although the thing is what in #beta-announcements doesn't mean to apply to live right now, as they mentioned repeatly it's still on a VERY early stage.
Everything can change, and they are giving room for us to voice it out.
spark lance
we do have students and children in the game too.
gleaming yacht
ehm... no? The majority of people had a sanctuary pendant @strong canopy
I'm not claiming that everyone has a pass, please don't misinterpret my message.
mild berry
Well we must address the fact that most people own an adventure pass these days
@gleaming yacht not exactly, there are players with no means for online payments, and other players that just can't afford (like myself having only 6 ringgit in my banks) we play the game for the free
rustic hearth
We cant be sure that most of the entirety of playerbase has pass. Most of my core friends are students who cant afford the pass. And only relying to my giftpass.
strong canopy
we do have students and children in the game too.
☝️ And older f2p too
spark lance
yes and that
latent oar
Let's refain from assuming and speak for the entire player base when we have no clue.
strong canopy
ehm... no? The majority of people had a sanctuary pendant
I'm not claiming that everyone has a pass, please don't misinterpret my message.
I don't misinterpret it :) there are hundreds of thousands of players :)
opal estuary
I'm just thinking about the fragile interests of free players who sometimes have their own voices suppressed just because they're free to play.
spark lance
you mean millions* of players
TGC is not so big, but the game and it's market is
opal estuary
I see a lot of free players who don't dare to comment on the discord because of being attacked by paid players online with cruel words.
elder hatch
come to think of it... most games have students/children/f2p people playing as well, but paid content almost never becomes free in those games. i mean, its logical that its that way. TCG implementing the current TS system was out of goodwill, and there isnt any 'right' per se that theyre overstepping on
strong canopy
you mean millions* of players
bruh really? I didn't want to assume something so big but if you say so.. wow
spiral viper
hi gius sorry for bashing in the conversation but are the pants for the next season free?
proven sonnet
im f2p and my opinion stands that i dont mind AP changes so long as AP friends are still able to give f2p players some love
opal estuary
I usually don't care about discord, I'm just a recluse player but this has appeared too much on Facebook.
strong canopy
hi gius sorry for bashing in the conversation but are the pants for the next season free?
@spiral viper not in the current beta build. But we can't be for sure until it hits Live.
spiral viper
@strong canopy thanks for confirming!
gleaming yacht
I'm sorry, I must have mistyped my message somehow; I'm not claiming that everyone has the pass. I'm just making an observation based on what I see while playing, not depending on my in-game friends.
opal estuary
And I can't ignore it as those posts keep popping up
latent oar
@elder hatch totally agree. tbh this is the first game I've seen devs&staffs are this close with the community and even provide an open channel for people to feedback & discuss
rustic hearth
I see a lot of free players who don't dare to comment on the discord because of being attacked by paid players online with cruel words.
@opal estuary idk why they do this.. i too am trying ny best to understand their side. But, I think, because there is a money involved. And when money is being talk about. It can change value depends on one person to another as we all have a special circumstances in our real life.
elder hatch
exactly saki, which is why im always confused and feel sad for TGC whenever people attack them, calling them greedy, threatening to leave the game etc. its just... weird to me.
rare glade
I am surprised that with all the controversy that there is, tgc has not said anything at all
turbid heart
they have, earlier. Plus it is weekend and 3am where TGC are located.
strong canopy
I'm sorry, I must have mistyped my message somehow; I'm not claiming that everyone has the pass. I'm just making an observation based on what I see while playing, not depending on my in-game friends.
I understood. Sorry if ever I sounded like I was bashing your opinion, I was not, but there are so much players that we only can't assume anything regarding who pays and who doesnt
latent oar
Its the purpose imo, gathering our opinions and move forward for adding changes etc. @rare glade
tropic radish
Hey everyone, has the sanctuary ghost glitch been fixed yet ?
Today is a sad day
opal estuary
I'm also a paid player, it's just that I'm introverted and the game is a place for me to talk. I feel very happy that the free players are waiting for TS to come back and share their happiness with me. And I'm just suddenly scared, they're starting to be sad and frustrated, and the community is full of bad guys gossiping. It just happened one night and I .....
rare glade
Its the purpose imo, gathering our opinions and move forward for adding changes etc. @rare glade
@latent oar It's too controversial to keep quiet, the sky groups are on fire and there is more annoyance over the bugs in this update.
latent oar
@tropic radish You can ask it in live channel since we share same build with live right now!
tropic radish
@latent oar yeah, I should've . Forgot there's no update today www
latent oar
@rare glade Saturday & Sunday tho It's weekend hoilday for TGC workers
rare glade
@rare glade Saturday & Sunday tho
@latent oar I Forget that, with the pandemic, every day is Friday for me
unreal python
It's probably good too that theyre waiting a few days before addressing our feedback, to give us more time to think about it instead of our gut reactions
latent oar
I'd like to know the total word counts/numbers of feedbacks in feedback channels
I mean not really but I'm curious
rare glade
In spite of everything, I feel that it is a fair change for the old people who pay for the passes, but even so I feel sad for the new ones or the people who do not have money and will have to live with one Pay wall that did not exist before
strong canopy
Reading ktjn's messages made me feel extremely pessimistic about seeing this TS change not come to Live 😢😢
spark lance
And what about when there is no season pass available to buy, how will anyone have access to ts things
unreal python
Preorder passes. Ktjn said that if this change did end up making it to live, theyd make gifting preorder passes an option
latent oar
For me I was always wondering why they keep those items free even I'm fairly new to this game meanwhile other games I played are all about loot boxes and competitive
tropic radish
Total word count : Definitely more than 1000 👀
opal estuary
In spite of everything, I feel that it is a fair change for the old people who pay for the passes, but even so I feel sad for the new ones or the people who do not have money and will have to live with one Pay wall that did not exist before
@rare glade I felt the fact that I had something early, having ultimate was inherently a benefit compared to having to wait a long time for random TS.
And perhaps due to different perceptions of interests, other people feel that is not enough, they always want more
spark lance
Pre order's are not always available when a ts is here
unreal python
Dont preorder passes appear as soon as a season ends? or am i remembering wrong. If you're right though, I'm sure they would adjust that so all TS are covered during off-season.
opal estuary
They just want to narrow the interests of free players as much as possible. They say: "Devs MUST favor them because they pay money"
turbid heart
that's why wander quote ktjn message, they will change the gifting system if it ever come to live.
strong canopy
The problem of it is forcing people to pay to get these items whereas they always could do so if they needed to. Now everyone HAS to :/
rare glade
that's why wander quote ktjn message, they will change the gifting system if it ever come to live.
@turbid heart Uh, everyone will be desperate to have a pre-ordered pass when a traveling spirit arrives
turbid heart
Ah, Morue I was replying to ileenb who didn't understand wander's about gifting preorder. I have already commented and sent my feedbacks on the matter.
latent oar
Do we all complete every item from TS when they come?
strong canopy
Oh I was not answering anyone don't worry tofu :) I sent feedback already ;)
I said if they want to give advantages to the AP owners they could add a price reduction, but a paywall is really really sad
spark lance
I'm not talking about preorders, they aren't always available when the ts is here
unreal python
Remember that this is still extremely early in development, they are coming to us asking us about it for feedback. Depending on what we (and other communities TGC is gathering research from) have to say about it, this may change a lot.
Which if you have sent a feedback message already, thank you!
Ktjns message here: #beta-discussion message
opal estuary
There are a lot of people I know who are desperate because almost everyone tells them most of the people on the discord agree with the change in TS. So I'm up here to ask you, is that true?
turbid heart
Saki I didn't get the Yoga and Piggy lvl2 (which emote was this?) cosmetics, only the lvl 1 emote.
latent oar
@opal estuary What do you see here now?
unreal python
@opal estuary I think both sides have been discussed here, so anyone can come in and chat about their thoughts, whether they like the change or not! The only thing here in this discord is we try and be respectful of other people and what their opinions may be
opal estuary
@opal estuary What do you see here now?
@latent oar I don't know, I just got in here late last night
turbid heart
ileenb, now I am having a hard time understand you.
So far pre-order for next season come as soon as the end of prior season. The problem is you can't gift your friend during off season which is also one of my concern. Ktjn has mentioned if this AP lock was implemented pre-order system will have a revamp as well. So what exactly is your concern?
spark lance
@turbid heart there is a 2 week wait between season ends and pre order a a so farif a ts comes during that time no one will have access
turbid heart
Prophecy pre-order was available the moment Sanctuary ended. I bought it the day it was released, it seemed you kinda refused to understand me so I will cease my discussion on this matter here.
unreal python
Theres only a 2 week wait between a season ending and a new season beginning...you can preorder a season pass as soon as the past season ends.
When a season starts, you can get a current season (Not preorder) pass
tropic radish
here to drop an opinion, please correct me otherwise
||Travelling Spirit has always and will always be unbalanced||
||The middle ground is really really blurry||
||It's up to each individual at this point, old and new players, since new system has everyone shaked...||
||Think morally and from a Monetizing perspective, This is a good change for the company to keep going, sacrifices will be made if this makes out to live||
spark lance
@turbid heart not on my game it wasn't
unreal python
@spark lance #news message from news, announcing the preorder for prophecy 2 weeks ago, when sanctuary ended
"09/21/2020
Get a head start in the next Sky adventure! ✨
Available today, you can now pre-order the Season of Prophecy Adventure Pass to receive the Prophecy Pendant and an additional 10 bonus Seasonal Candles (for a grand total of 30 candles)."
latent oar
@opal estuary Then we have a good 28+ hours debate backlog for you to read /jk
I mean, indeed devs are collecting opinions through Discord, which considered to be minority of the whole community. It doesn't mean dev are taking our words for everything. These are for their reference and we're free to voice it out. 
spark lance
@unreal python it was not available for me until this paat week it's been like that the last couple seasons
unreal python
Then that sounds like a bug or you hadn't progressed far enough in the game for it. I think its only available for players who have reached Valley, so as to not shove it in the faces of new players
gleaming yacht
However, it would be disappointing if TGC didn't take our opinions into consideration, even if we're but a small portion of the Sky player base. The majority of this community has voiced their concerns about this particular decision, and judging by TGC's morality, they would most probably adjust it according to our feedback as well.
unreal python
@spark lance I would contact CS about it then because it doesn't sound like it is working properly! I hope you can get it figured out 
latent oar
@spark lance Can you please provide more information since people can't get which season you're referring to
upper sun
Comrades, this is unfair, the Android owners are wronged, they weren't there when the previous seasons started, the only thing they can get is the travel spirit, but it will be expensive. Where is the justice ??
spark lance
@spark lance Can you please provide more information since people can't get which season you're referring to
@latent oar
What do you mean
hasty vessel
they should really do a voting poll across all of their platforms to gain a greater understanding of how everyone feels
latent oar
@spark lance About your situation of couldn't buy pre-order
sand dawn
I feel like the original purpose of traveling spirits is to give a chance to newer players to catch up on past cosmetics, not to devalue said cosmetics by making them free.
So I am in support of this change.
But.. I do feel like there should be some limited ability to get at least a few of the exclusive items of choice for players who simply cannot pay for passes.
unreal python
Thats why its being tested @upper sun , Ktjn said that this was very very early in the testing process and they're looking for our help with feedback
@hasty vessel voting polls dont allow for the nuances that feedback does
spark lance
All of them sense i started playing on april 7ark sanctuary prophecy
desert mango
No one has to pay for anything .. No one is forced to do anything .. Its a choice .., i would like a ferrari but i cant afford it so i dont buy it.. The company sure wont give it free .... .. But if i really wanted that car i would work harder to get it or find a way to pay for it ., if that fails i got without .. Life is like a box of chocolates 🤍
unreal python
@spark lance contact customer support ingame so they can get your issue sorted out season preorder passes should be available the instant a season ends. If its not like that for you, you may need supports help
opal estuary
No one has to pay for anything .. No one is forced to do anything .. Its a choice .., i would like a ferrari but i cant afford it so i dont buy it.. The company sure wont give it free .... .. But if i really wanted that car i would work harder to get it or find a way to pay for it ., if that fails i got without .. Life is like a box of chocolates 🤍
@desert mango The point is they don't have to pay before, and are you saying they have to accept loss of benefits for granted?
hasty vessel
i just feel like they need to bring in more permanent items that have in game currency attached to them. allow us to farm for our items again like how we did in the beginning and give free to play players more options instead of pressuring them to buy exclusive items
unreal python
past season players did have to pay for those AP-locked items when the season ran, to be fair. Like amber said, TS were introduced as a catch-up mechanic for newer players, but not as a way for people to get them for free.
Something else to think about....Ktjn also said that currently the majority of people who participate are actually spending money on candle packs for each TS...This change could actually be cheaper and more fair for the majority of the TS players. Ktjn mentioned that this would likely be a financial loss for TGC, but is being proposed early on as one way to try and make things fairer for players
gleaming yacht
Actually, @desert mango I don't think we can compare this with the current situation. Free players were consoled by the fact that even though they couldn't afford the pass during the season or simply couldn't join during that season, they would be able to at least purchase some cosmetics later on. The adventure pass is not something everyone is able to access; and besides, veterans who complained that newer players can buy the items they spent money on possessed those items for months or even years before they were made available to everyone.
desert mango
Things change as the problem of unfairness was never their before .. Now tgc need to make adjustments for this.. Escpecially now people are complaining about playing a game (candle farming)
latent oar
Things will change eventually, Sky is still Sky even Traveling Spirit never exist. And again, if you have feelings and have an idea to improve the new system, please do write them down in #beta-feedback @opal estuary
spark lance
The stuff is not free, people are grinding every day to get enough candles to buy that stuff. I buy a season pass evey time but I still don't think this is right
opal estuary
@latent oar Thanks, I've left an opinion there, now I'm just sharing my opinion
sand dawn
True, the flip side of grinding and not paying is no grinding but paying 💸💸💸
But that is always the case.. you either put in the time or the money, same for the active season and normal candles
opal estuary
past season players did have to pay for those AP-locked items when the season ran, to be fair. Like amber said, TS were introduced as a catch-up mechanic for newer players, but not as a way for people to get them for free.
Something else to think about....Ktjn also said that currently the majority of people who participate are actually spending money on candle packs for each TS...This change could actually be cheaper and more fair for the majority of the TS players. Ktjn mentioned that this would likely be a financial loss for TGC, but is being proposed early on as one way to try and make things fairer for players
@unreal python The problem is that the old system did a good job of it: enticing players to spend a lot of time in the game, giving everyone equal opportunities, and actually 2 weeks of farming candles is redundant for you to get TS, etc.
lament nebula
Hei, could someone send me a pic of new spirits and the prices of their items? 😅 someone posted smth like that before but I forgot to save it
spark lance
I think it’s better to not change the traveling spirit system, but make farming more enjoyable and easy. Mushrooms back in Forgotten Ark, all the candles in trials granting wax, more candles back in Earth trials, more candles in Vault, etc. These are very simple things they could do to allow for lazy farming, and they have sort of done that with Sanctuary Islands having a big plant and 3 candle cakes. In this way, paid players who are lazy can still get a decent amount of candles without having to go much (you can get about 3 candles just from Sanctuary Islands alone) & still have some challenges to work for if they have nothing to do with the game. At the same time, free players can ..... play. Let me know what you guys think before I submit this feedback
unreal python
I just dont know if people spending hours every day for weeks on end candle running for traveling spirits is healthy, Lami I think TGC is trying to figure out how to be fair to past and current players, and also figure out the grinding problem. People are afraid to spend candles on friends or miss a day or two of grinding because the next TS may be something they want. No one really stops to hang out in the levels (besides the hubs) because they need to get to the next candle or dark plant
I think its very easy to burn-out from the current grind. I can get on board with liliana's suggestion! But I also think the current TS system could use a rework. whatever it may end up being
sand dawn
The bad thing about traveling spirits is their very limited availability, which creates a lot of pressure
desert mango
Many people make valid points ..each share own opinions... I was happy to have people candle farm for items...their time is money... But the complaining about candle farming i cant fathom ...i work and have children and i literally dont have time and always tired.. But candle farming is easy and not asking much ... Them peoples obviously dont enjoy it like others do
frank raptor
I think another possible part of a solution is for TGC to announce traveling spirits earlier, so people aren't anxious guessing which one it is and grinding for candles just a day before. Let's say that the ts is now announces a week ahead. If I want it, then I will cr; if I don't, I save time.
tardy dune
i dont actually see grinding as a pain tho. i mean that is what makes me wanna play the game everyday. yes we have lazy days, but i dont see how else we can gain wax and hearts
runic path
I just finished live grinding.
unreal python
I think thats valid feedback hannah and liliana!
elder hatch
making farming easier, i feel, doesnt solve the problem. it will just lead to candle inflation -> TS items become relatively easier to get -> TS items lose some of its perceived value -> people who bought them with real life cash will still be unhappy. the whole point of hiking up the TS prices was to manage TSes' value so as to maintain fairness for those who paid money for them
opal estuary
I just dont know if people spending hours every day for weeks on end candle running for traveling spirits is healthy, Lami
I think its very easy to burn-out from the current grind. I can get on board with liliana's suggestion! But I also think the current TS system could use a rework. whatever it may end up being
@unreal python I am a candle farmer, you usually only spend 2 hours a day to have enough candles for TS, even less if you pay attention and calculate the number of candles available. Those who disparage the price of TS often do not care about this and the way they criticize is also very absurd. They trade hearts and do all kinds of things to run out of candles and complain about not accumulating candles in time. I don't think these people are worth paying attention to, they are all just as poisonous whether they spend their money or not
plain ember
The bad thing about traveling spirits is their very limited availability, which creates a lot of pressure
But there's 2 week gap between every ts which is more than enough for 1 spirit and they are supposed to be limited bc they're from past seasons