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Now, theory, MAYBE, just MAYBE the mini realms are supposed to be based off valley and whatever. Like, a reflection? Idk. like...Trial of Air. valley theme.
Inca, people can read that and get confused,
So basically
You remember in animal jam the trials of Zios right? nevermind I’ll see myself out now
Like I know we’re all used to sky incorporating seasonal stuff into the realms but really the trials are just basic dreamscape stuff
We chill now?
I agree with lord chromeback. The trial are like some dreamscape/astral place that the prophet put you through to test your ability and does not relate to any realm in particular.
Something about the trials gives me big Breath of the Wild vibes, I think it’s because it reminds me of the sword trials
I didn’t play animal jam Lyze 
Or maybe they are just misinformed saki. ?
it's like in the elders cutscenes, a place outside space-time
for new ts system we still can buy stuff without pass and cost candles right
Ah I think I get your meaning, like they're imagining where the original location would be for trails.
And yeah this season is quite special one, it doesn't not belongs to any existed realms I'd say.
@latent oar
Now that makes sense. So I guess Earth would be prairie then? And Fire would be Eden? Maybe Water is based off Forest because of all the rain?
I agree with lord chromeback.
Chromeback
Inca, people can read that and get confused,
So basically
You remember in animal jam the trials of Zios right?nevermind I’ll see myself out now
I kinda remember, actually.
Ah I think I get your meaning, like they're imagining where the original location would be for trails.
Repeating myself, a little but it’s not imagination. It’s a little like SAO, if you’ve ever seen it. Your consciousness is there, but your body is here.
Kuro, not sure what you mean, maybe reread the updates channel 
in live the system isn’t there so you can do ts as normal
In beta you would need the AP to buy certain stuff
they dont seem to be based on the actual kingdoms of sky, the prophets seem to be from a time before the sky kingdom was entirely stablished 
You’re Chromeback to me now
||jkjk oops sorry for typo||
Gotta go get some lunch now guys, see you all later
Trial of Air in Eden 
Yeah I think the trails were there before places like valley and corrupted eden existed
It seems I go by many names here. All surrounding the fact that you Can’t Play Sky on a a Chromebook. 
Repeating myself, a little but it’s not imagination. It’s a little like SAO, if you’ve ever seen it. Your consciousness is there, but your body is here.
@dapper ginkgo
I would compare it to the Trials in Skyward Sword. Or maybe Aang in the Spirit World. But yeah, same concept.
The prophets are seen interacting with the elders, weren’t the elders chosen by the prince/king? I wonder where he is at this time
Repeating myself, a little but it’s not imagination. It’s a little like SAO, if you’ve ever seen it. Your consciousness is there, but your body is here.
@dapper ginkgo ....”you die in the game, you for real” so like you fail the trial, you die lmao.
I think the prophets were choosen by the elders and they gave knowledge to them and also the responsibility to give the knowledge to the spirits
I don't remember prophet's interacting with elders lyze, ig , we ie the child of light interact with elder's from what I can see in the murals
The prophets are seen interacting with the elders, weren’t the elders chosen by the prince/king? I wonder where he is at this time
Well, they’re all pretty old, we know that for sure. > <@!431870027839307816
....”you die in the game, you for real” so like you fail the trial, you die lmao.
O h I didn’t mean to put that factor in.
The prophets are seen interacting with the elders, weren’t the elders chosen by the prince/king? I wonder where he is at this time
he's obviously the rock that moved to sanctuary smh
gotta get my skykid to learn starburst stream now
||He’s helping skyrock move to Sanctuary leaving a power vacuum to the throne and that’s why Eden is in shamble||
I gotta turn my skykid into a dual wielding sword master
Season of Prophecy : arrives
Rock in Isle: aight imma head out
he's obviously the rock that moved to sanctuary smh
@empty river you say that as a joke but it would actually be pretty nice/cool if he was retired and camouflaged somewhere in the realms like a hermit
We got 2 more years until Full Dive VR a is a thing. Soon™ y’all. 
🔦
🧨 Link Start...
What if the prophecy states.. a new king will come to liberate everyone from the darkness... And the new king is us
i would love it if one season we enter the new seasonal area and the king is just chilling in a chair, wearing sunglasses and eating chips
Okay, but imagine Sky as a VR game. A full dive one as well. 
My dream. I would love to live in the Sky Kingdom as my skykid for one day.
bonking into walls while flying in vr 
Rip 3D sickness
Imagine be a skykid in real life
Chibi fall but make it real
Btw, I mentioned watching a beta test video for Trial of Air on YouTube. Here it is. Only watch if you're cool with spoilers.
DIDNT THE DEVS SAY THE ALOHA CAPE AND SUNGLASSES WERE 4 TH WALL BREAKS AND OOC and they’re both on the same spirit Meaning the chill sunbather Is a dimension jumper Chill Sunbather is the king pass it on
i’m so confused what’s going on
Chibi fall but make it real
Ultimate excuse to skip class “I clipped though the floor”.
Imagine be a skykid in real life
The fact that they are the size of a toddler here, it’d be strange. Like the sonic movie. But not sonic.
they’d be the size of a 2 year old 
I was doing trial of fire with a friend and it was so difficult we quit midway because-
we still can buy stuff that need AP with candles right?
Wait King has 4 letters and chill has 4 letters if you remove the repeat!!!!!!!!
@spark lance , nope it would be locked behind a wall asking for you to buy the pass.
we still can buy stuff that need AP with candles right?
@spark lance both candles and pass required currently
Hope it doesn't go live
@proper helm Pinned post gives you the answer 
||fire trial is HECKING hard||
pls dev dont do this to us
we still want its just like normal ts
so... when you lose all your wl during the trials, you die? so, like eden?
remember to give the dust bunnies a hug! they won't bite 
There are 4 vowels in the phrase "chill sunbather"
so... when you lose all your wl during the trials, you die? so, like eden?
You don’t loose any WL during trials.
Just 2 more days in live
for prophecy to come out haha XD
1 more innit
@unique olive every skykid starts with no wing in trials too 
Yeah @spark lance was leading me in fire trial, and at some point we came to the 3rd level(? I think) of the fire trial
we found a stone, lit it, but it doesn’t raise some stairs like the previous one so we just kept walking but couldn’t find any ways 
Why did I just see something about chill sunbather being the king further up
challenge: lose wl in trials 
I'mma go 🚽 byee
@spark lance pinned post and #beta-announcements explained, please 
Sit on the mobile gaming throne.
Be careful with the krill
Can't wait for people in live to suffer in trials
Same bro
Why did I just see something about chill sunbather being the king further up
@flat pelican
Because both items you get from him (Aloha Cape and sunglasses) are fourth wall breaks. Therefore, he must be a dimension hopper . . . I gueas.
The other possibility is the prophecy qg cause his mask has the same color as the child of light
But I refuse to consider this further because I am not interested in being nice to Old Man Prophecy anytime soon
Can't wait for people in live to suffer in trials
Great! I’ll get my mug! Want me to get yours too?
congrats the channel died for 4 minutes
Let the channel breathe for a moment
windy can i just say that i find your headcanon about prophecy qg being an old grumpy man absolutely hilarious 
a new record compared to earlier
but omg i cant wait to 👉👈 anubis mask and bat cape
windy can i just say that i find your headcanon about prophecy qg being an old grumpy man absolutely hilarious
@empty river I intend to convince everyone I meet of it before it hits live and people start thirsting, thank you(
)
How much wax is in the ||office|| during the Halloween event?
3/4 of a candle? i think
more than half if you burn all plants, light up candles etc
y'all can someone explain what's going on with the new update?
theres a rock
And the rock got moved to sanctuary
Did anyone figured it out which rock was it already?
Also am I the only one who thinks level 3-4 emote form fire spirit is based on King Kong? 
honestly someone would've had to document every rock in sanctuary prior to this update to figure out where's the new one
maybe it looks 'special'?
Whats that rock
I mean
Did anyone ever record an exploration of isle
My suspicions are at the butterfly mountain
Isle is more buried boats than buried rocks
What if it’s only a pebble
What if it's a trick for halloween?
Wait what rock are we talking about there's like a bunch in the whole world of sky man
DONT JUST LAUGH AT ME
that one rock
The mods are always watching ....
There was a part in the update (or known issues) where a rock went from Sanctuary to Isle.
I'll have someone show me because I haven't been in beta for a bit because of school jesus
Yes, check #news and scroll through the patch notes, it’s a live thing, not beta 
Specifically between these two
- Missing jellies have returned beneath the ice rink in Valley of Triumph
A rock from Isle of Dawn has gone on vacation to Sanctuary Islands and decided to move there permanently in order to fulfill its lifelong dream of observing jellyfish in their natural habitat
Fixed Issue where meditation circles would get stuck or fail to appear
So around the jellies
Hey guys, anyone else getting a bug where the ts tree shows the adventure pass logo?
Wait they're gonna make some ts parts exclusive? Damn, that kinda defeats the point of them
It's not a bug my fren...
That's to test the new TS system I think
Hahaha lets- not start a conversation about this please
Hey guys, anyone else getting a bug where the ts tree shows the adventure pass logo?
@surreal shoal you are so so very valid, check beta updates and let’s leave it at that
the traveler ||wanders through misty groves to find a valley where the river lies||
it's not a rock, it's the johnson dwayne rock the
This is a discussion channel. They can talk about the ts system as it’s big change.
This is a discussion channel. They can talk about the ts system as it’s big change.
@summer sundial I know I'm joking, sorry if you didn't get it I have really bad humour
correction it's Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson @kindred fossil
i just got bamboozled because i saw prophecy qg and i was like
hold up, but the season is not there yet...
and then i realized i opened beta, not live
@obsidian jacinth okay
damn okay lmao
The conversation about ts had been going for like 18 hours now
every time someone new reads the updates it's like it restarts. Most highly discussed thing here aside from invites
For now, Kai
wait a month more, or two 
the johnson dwayne rock the
corrected
that made me loose braincells aiyen LMAOO
please give me further the english correction sleep for time to
english.exe stopped working
dw my english work not too
The items from the TS will not be free when they were paid before in the season?
stooop i dont want to lose more braincells
okay
You guys are keeping your braincells past school age?
Lost all my braincells on the ap Lang exam, still can’t find them
There are some that still manage to work somehow

So Bat Cape, Spider Cape, and 2 hairs are the free cosmetics? Not bad.
only one cape is free
Things could be different in live.
only one cape is free
Two capes are free right now, but there could be some last minute changes.
Wasn’t the same build released in live too :o so the two capes are probably free then
i'm certain last minute changes happened to sanctuary, but we'll see on monday
If I understand this right, there is 2 different version of fire of trial :0
Version 1 was 2 weeks ago ish, then version 2 was recent, I don’t see any “rainbow” like doors in version 2
Edit: ohh I see, so the rainbow were not intended
rainbow like door were not intended
:0 were those the portal thingies at the end
You still losing braincells? 
ofc i have no clue what im supposed to do on my english homework :))
So essentially, fire of trial from version 1 and 2, the process is still kinda same 
||time to look at more tutorial and exploration to get past floor 3 lmao||
i miss homeworks
also the fire trial got a little bit more challenging
Whats yalls opinion with the beta update considering the TS system
Oh no I have to test fire trial again fire trial was so hard to me when I first did it and now the possibility that it’s harder I 
Oh no I have to test fire trial again fire trial was so hard to me when I first did it and now the possibility that it’s harder I
@grim mortar i feel that
Whats yalls opinion with the beta update considering the TS system
@radiant viper || I find it really unnecessary but what can we do? that’s the consequences we got for people complaining on having to grind for candles ||
What we can all do as testers is provide our personal feedback in #beta-feedback, for those that haven't already. That's the reason it's being tested in beta in the first place
Just remember to stay constructive and explain why you feel a certain way, so TGC can understand how it makes you feel and impacts your experience
What cape do you guys like the most, the Penguin Cape, the Spider Cape, or the Bat Cape?
Turtle cape? 
The water prophet cape I'm assuming 👀
It reminds me of a penguin, not a turtle. I honestly don’t even know how it looks like a turtle in any way tbh. It’s blue all over, sleek, has a fluffy white part at the back end, relatively penguin shaped
It doesn't really I just didn't have a penguin emoji for some reason. But offically it's a turtle as far as i know.
How does it look like a turtle? What about it remotely looks like a turtle in any way? I’m not trying to be rude it just genuinely does not look like a turtle. It looks like a goat imo, the mask that is
The mask also doesn't really look like a turtle. People just say it's a dragon turtle lol. I thought it was a goat too
Mask looks like a goat to me
It immediately reminded me of a turtle just from the flippers on the front of the cape, like right as I saw it, maybe it’s cause I spent a lot of time on sea creatures when I was younger
but to each their own lmao, personally the penguin interpretation is too close to avatar (penguin sliding + on the korra spirit ) 
I think the flaps in the front look like the leathery flippers of sea turtles :P and the back could be a tail, but who knows 👀 animals in sky don't usually follow their traditional versions lol
The shape on the two sides are similar to a sea turtle's arms. (Are those things called arms? My english is nonexistent atm)
To each their own I suppose.
I also thought goat haha. The more I looked at it I thought maybe a bird of some sort... but goat was the OG impression
@tiny umbra Dragon turtle is even closer to avatar lol. I really hate to compare this season to atlab... It's different enough.
Except the concept of the dragon turtle existed before avatar came out, much of atla and this season is based on the same cultural origin so it’s only natural to notice some overlap 👁️ 👄👁️
And also whenever I think of penguins my mind goes to Gunter from adventure time so thank you and forgive me if you see fanart of the qg as the Ice King in the channels at some point
Lion mask looks like a Chinese lion 
Exactly, but it doesn't seem fair to slap atlab with this season. Seeing the cultural roots is great. I'm just a little tired of people saying "hur hur Korra hair" and "Four elements omg avatar" because it's really not. These styles/concepts go way back into history.
This season is unique and beautiful. It has nothing to do with ATLA.
And I don’t actually remember a dragon turtle in atla but I was never completely invested in it to rewatch and notice one so
I think my outfit for this season will be the lion mask, the spider cape, and whatever pants I’m able to scrounge from a TS (hopefully)
@tiny umbra If you google a picture of them, it won't spoil anything. ( It really doesn't look like it either). It's also called a turtle lion.
...confusion lol.
So good to see the chat on calm mode now lol
Good discussion
Oh I’ve seen atla I’m not spoiled
I’m just saying it’s fine to say the season reminds you of avatar as a joke but I do agree that it’s absolutely not fair to say the devs were copying avatar when creating the season lol,
SECRET TUNNEL SECRET TUNNEL THROUGH THE MOUNTAINS SECRET SECRET TUNNEL
The mask also doesn't really look like a turtle. People just say it's a dragon turtle lol. I thought it was a goat too
@past abyss
Ash the concept artist said that it was a dragon turtle 🐢 🐉
I need to tell that I’m too excited for the new ponytail of this season. It fits perfect for my character 
I thought it’s turtle coz it’s Water prophet and Turtle seems more appropriate?
At first I was like “Oh woah Turtle and Lion is this inspired by the Chinese oriental spirits” then I remembered the other two are Spider and Bat. They’re still very cool tho.
Hi I'm Jeff.
New to beta could use some friends lol
this chat isnt on fire anymore
Ash the concept artist...I'm sorry but....
#beta-screenshots-videos
🐐
hello guys i have a question to make it sure and make proof...i had a small fight with a person who misunderstood the ts system on beta rn
the ap restriction only applies to the items before the season of Belonging, am i right?
this person keeps talking that it will apply to the live server to every ts with all seasons but i never heard of this system going on live or the ap being restricted in every ts
Man, now I’m super hyped for the new season coming to live! I’ve got some new elder hairstyles I can test the masks with 
@white raven check Pin for a surprise.
Resize potions working for anyone else? 
@turbid heart if u mean the pin about there not being any plans to bring this to live, i think i checked it... i tried my best to explain and showed the pin to the person but he just don't seem to get it...
TOMORROW IM GONNA SNATCH ALL THE SEASONAL CANDLES AND GRAB THE BAT CAPE
TOMORROW IM GONNA SNATCH ALL THE SEASONAL CANDLES AND GRAB THE BAT CAPE
@rocky swallow 32 hours left until season starts, that’s after tomorrow
Resize potions working for anyone else?
@narrow narwhal
It's a known issue. Exit the game and re-enter to see the change.
the bat cape looks so elegant,,,,, i NEED IT
also it's already sunday here and here the season starts tomorrow at 2pm
I’m a bit dissapointed that they decided to push for the Monday release, I’ve found many bugs on live server today. I guess I’ll take it with a grain of salt and accept that new patches are inevitably buggy at the start.
@white raven Either your friend are letting the emotion cloud their judgement. It’s okay to disagree with the system but misinterpreted information is not the way to go.
or you’re talking to a brick wall which I have no advice for really.
Anyway the second part “Only the items that were tied behind the Season of Belonging Adventure Pass will have the AP restriction, and will be marked with the Season of Prophecy symbol.” I read this as any items that was locked behind the pass from Belonging will be required the current pass. Not any season before(or behind?) Belonging.
@white raven The wording wasn't entirely clear for me either with the Belonging part, but what i think it was suppose to be gratitude.
and whatever required ap when the spirit was here in it's own season, should be ap locked now due to testing the new system. if i misunderstood then srry from everyone.
@turbid heart @tender oasis thank you for your help and advice...im..im kinda being bullied for explaining about this system...they keep sayin stop spreading wrong info about it
i figured out they didn't even know what a season of Belonging was...smh
finally peace
I'm gonna sleep here
Personally I'm glad. A little tired of the topic. I mean...it's not going to get us anywhere at this point. Better to just send feedback.
Wow no one talk about TS system did i misss something
@tame zinc oh no you don’t....here we go again
Lmao i deleted it 
Good morning to anyone thats still here
Im proud to announce that im still tired and cant sneep anymore
I just wake up becuz is 6am in my place 
there are thousands of people in this server and I think this easily could last 2 days more, some people are gonna find the update and start the discussion again... will happen soon or later 👻
I guess thousand of feedback and dev will crazy read all of that, poor dev 
Well before that happens,
but who was it earlier (yesterday) whose traveling spirit didn’t register the first time they did it? It happened to me just now, had to relive the spirit twice, (not gonna cold ping the person twice)
Did you warp home immediately after finishing ? I think that’s why, I did that the first time and it showed as if I didn’t do it at all, the second time I waited until after it showed up in my emote menu to warp back home, the spirit allowed me to buy it from them after that.
The new area cannot be accessed in the live version by legitimate means, only by hacking. Other players can warp to those players even if they don't hack themselves, but they are still contributing to the problem even if they are unaware. The best you can do is report those players and not talk about them everywhere, as attention is all they want. We will not allow discussion about this to take place in this server
The new area cannot be accessed in the live version by legitimate means, only by hacking. Other players can warp to those players even if they don't hack themselves, but they are still contributing to the problem even if they are unaware. The best you can do is report those players and not talk about them everywhere, as attention is all they want. We will not allow discussion about this to take place in this server
@radiant drum I don't know how anyone managed to access that area because I tried everything but that hole in the Isle of Dawn has nothing but a barrier, so it looks like it's a hacker who did it. Well I was able to access following an added friend but it is recommended to wait for the season to start Monday
Exactly, the best we can do is respect TGC's work by reporting hackers and letting others know this kind of behavior is not okay
hello! is season of prophecy coming today at 2 PM for GMT+7 users?
the season start in 31 hours and 20 minutes in live
Is it possible for me to join the beta 🤔
Hi! Nope, it’s coming in 2 days from now for all users
read #beta-faq for more information!
For live questions, please use #questions-and-help
OwO
This channel is to discuss things being tested in the beta version
oh sorry about that! will make sure to ask there next time 
did we have any indication of when a season's testing would end in prior beta tests?
usually they follow the timer in-game, but it has been extended or shortened in some seasons
Seasonal candle locations in valley?
I’m missing 1 ;(
because not everything will be accessible from day 1 we might be able to offer valuable feedback for end-season content even if it's already happening in live
kaekae, two are in the social area, while the other two are both on the central bridge structure thingy in the ice rink area (one's on the actual bridge bit, the other is more along the circular hub bit where the winged light is)
@gilded parrot ||The traveler wanders through misty groves to find a valley where the river flows.||
How many kids would a skykid kid if a skykid could kid kids?
one.
I’m very confused about this new travelling spirit system, like what’s actually happening?
A new system is being tested in beta, details in #beta-announcements! Some things are still pretty confusing so we will probably see as testing goes
I’m very confused about this new travelling spirit system, like what’s actually happening?
@misty star tldr #beta-announcements: kind of half of TS tree wil be pass-required to unlock it
yeah, i've realised overnight that there might still be a lot we don't understand about the system being trialled around the "Season of Belonging" bit specifically -- i imagine we'd need to wait for the next TS to arrive to get a clearer idea of what's actually happening and realise what assumptions we might automatically be making at this point
Thanks! I’ll have a look :) from what I’ve heard half of the tree is adventure pass only, I’m just confused about how travelling spirits in between seasons will work, and if the adventure pass items will be free if u have the pass
For the Traveling Spirits that visit in between Seasons, those items will require pre-ordering the upcoming new Season’s Adventure Pass.
basically between seasons who have pre-ordered the pass of the next season will have the requirement, about that second question they haven't decided I think
@sullen relic
What do you mean by season of belonging bit? 👀
The announcement mentions the belonging season spirits, but we don't really know if that's exclusive or just part of testing or what
I do recommend going there to read the announcement before asking more questions, hearing from the devs themselves is always the best way to get information
My character fell in a oob patch yesterday as a chibi and got access to the new area it was the strangest thing didn't wanna go farther in so I closed the game for a bit
And if you are still confused about something, chances are other players here will be too 
But if the adventure pass items were still free what would be the point in even putting in that feature? It would mean that you have to pay even extra for the adventure pass only items
@misty star the full details are in a post in #beta-announcements, but there's one specific line which reads as the following:
Only the items that were tied behind the Season of Belonging Adventure Pass will have the AP restriction[...]
what's unclear at this point is whether Season of Belonging was chosen specifically as a test sample, and whether this is reflective of what the final system's intention might be (e.g. does it affect all seasons, just belonging, or belonging and prior seasons?) -- there's actually a lot of blank gaps that i read right over and filled in unconsciously when first reading it yesterday
But with the sharing pass, how can my friends have the pass while I cant gift to them between 2 season-?
So many questions 
hence why we might need to wait a bit longer to get a clearer idea of what the system actually is, and having another TS arrive to compare against might help that immensely
As the current gifting system works and this new change, I don't think you would be able to. That's some great suggestion and feedback to submit to them in #beta-feedback* after testing
Thanks so much guys, I’m gonna go read the announcement and then I’ll come back! :>
Is the fire spirit’s cutscene missing?
I’m pretty sure it is
the fire spirit cutscene worked fine for me, but I think it's missing for some people
He disappeared and then reappeared with his head off screen
It never showed a cutscene for me 
Missing for me, but i saw people’s clips of the cutscene from the ss-n-video channel
I have returned 😌
Does anyone know if beta accounts can be transferred to a different device? If so how?
!betalive
WAIT A MIN
read that too fast. sorry wait 🏃♀️💨
Beta and Live versions of Sky are completely separate apps. Progress/purchases in one have no effect on progress/purchases in another.
Just login the account
It won’t work
I think its the same as live, you can login with google
i guess this is demotion #452 beta account transfer should work the same as live
Ok thank you!
As long as you have access to beta on your new device, just log in with your original beta account and it should work :>
I submitted feedback already, but I was curious abt how others would feel abt it, so I'll ask:
How would you feel about having the travelling spirit schedule at the start of the month so that you know what's coming? Instead of the individual teasers releasing, there would be official prices to avoid misinformation and...illegitimate information from circulating. If spirits are decided in advance instead of via RNG, the community could also potentially vote from a selection of 3-4 spirits for each returning spirit to avoid complaints.
Well it would save me from candle running some weeks lol. but voting is a terrible idea. We would only get the same 5 spirits every time
I sent somewhat similar idea. If they implemented this I would like to know the schedule before hand. Buying things without knowing what it is is leaning into lootboxes territory.
Agree that voting is .... not ideal.
For voting I had imagined TGC would select a pool of a few and let people choose although I do agree it would be messy at best lol
Quick favor to ask- if you’re going to share the fact that we’re testing a new TS structure with your friends who are not in beta, can you remind them that it’s a TEST of an idea and not a forgone conclusion that the structure is changing.
What if you decide to purchase AP with friends, and ts between seasons require pre-ordering, but only 1 person among you and your friends have the pre-order?
We have the same brain
For now, only the person who bought the pass get the AP exclusive items, since you can’t gift off season.
Yeah and I think that’s the problem 🧐 or is tgc trying to force everyone to preorder on their own instead of purchasing it together?
I like being surprised and hyped doing candle runs while waiting for the teaser. >.>
So I just caught one of my friends with something she most definitely should not have, but there's a bit of a wrinkle here: I saw this in the Friend Constellation. How do I report someone who isn't actually online (and therefore can't be clicked on in the usual way)?
This is a very early draft of the idea. The dev are asking for your opinion/suggestion so remember to express them not only here but #beta-feedback as well.
Also this: #beta-discussion message
is fire spirit like.., here yet?
Thank you @turbid heart
yep, fire boi finally gathered up the courage a few days ago 
y e s i havent had motivation recently but i cant wait until season comes to live
@grave jetty unfortunately you can't report someone who is offline. You'll have to wait for them to be online. 
@grave jetty unfortunately you can't report someone who is offline. You'll have to wait for them to be online.
@slim kayak OK, I'll wait.
Anyone have a recording of the soundtrack for this season? It's so good...
Ah, yes. Finally. The chaos has ended (for now?). 
Forcing a pre-order on people seems like a complete 180.
First they want to make it so everyone can get them even if they don’t buy the passes. Now they’re requiring a pass for a season that’s not even out yet?
i read the beta updates for TS and i didn’t understand it at first but now i do and i’m upset that kinda defeats the point of the travling spirit it just ruins it for the players
And how does it reduce the grindy feel they said people were complaining about? Bc in beta, it shows that I have the pass but also costs full price. So you have to grind either way. I don’t get it.
They said that they didn’t change prices yet for this ts but I’m guessing the ap stuff will be free to ap owners
I can’t help but feel that so many issues could have been solved by just repeating older seasons between new seasons and making the break between new seasons a bit longer.
Forcing a pre-order on people seems like a complete 180.
First they want to make it so everyone can get them even if they don’t buy the passes. Now they’re requiring a pass for a season that’s not even out yet?
Yh thats why its kinda hard for ppl that relies on sharing pass they hv to wait for the season to start first before they can earn it.
If they want to implement anything that correlates the TS with AP, then they should leave the price as is for non-AP holders and reduce it for AP holders, satisfies all players. That’s what I believe anyway
So that’s still forcing people to pre-order if they don’t have all past items.
They really should be encouraging more sharing of passes, not forcing everyone to preorder a single pass. Losing the whole “friendship” aspect of the game.
What's worst is that. We cant even give a giftpass when we're on off-season.
W-wut since when its a minute cooldown???
I think all of the issues could have been easily solved by adding seasonal candle bunches in one region during the arrival of a traveling spirit so that people could collaborate to get their candles
W-wut since when its a minute cooldown???
@vague dew since enchantment basically. It's been a high as 30 minutes
Basically, if this goes through, which Ktjn has said they have no plans for this to come to live, it’ll be a nightmare.
People get passionate around announcements of new feature testing. it's understandable but makes the chat hard to manage, so since #beta-announcements, basically is the answer
Anyways, how do you all feel about the new capes! I personally love the one with the padded shoulders, looks very regal and royal-esque.
I don’t see appeal in Water Proph’s
i think the new capes are epic but man reading that beta updates just brings down my mood
I like spider and dragoat turtle capes
bat cape also good btw i just prefer the other two more
I like the bat one, but TGC please don't make traveling spirit items cost money because that basically ruins it.
Padded Cape and Lion Mask are my favorites this season
water proph cape works much better on short people
it only really works on short people
and I’m very tall and want to keep it that way
To some, this may be a compensation for the "seasonal wont come back" players, and to some this may surely be a nightmare. Especially to players who's just relying to their friends who always giving them a giftpass. What more to the players who dont have enough to buy the pass.
it does it just hurts the sky soul no no it punches the sky heart for me can you imagine all the sky players just wishing they could but cant spend any money for their favorite item and didn’t know about the change they could be waiting for 5 months or longer jut sadness
What’s the point in waiting for an item to finally become free after months, then be blocked once again by a pass requirement.
i dont know i guess to crush your. heart and make you sad
I know, it’s an idea as of now, but it completely goes against the spirit of the game, and the fact the concept of it was even thought of disgusts me
I’m not even going to sugarcoat it but someone would have to be stupid in order to implement this into the game.
It’s purely experimental, I know, but awful
i think the idea is bad but if you change it a bit it could be good like a discount or i guess some items free but you can still buy it if you dont have the pass
Just gonna put a reminder here that if you're providing feedback that the very real human beings who are working hard on this game have to read your feedback so please keep it respectful (and constructive)
Ya like they should have it where if you preordered the new seasons pass or bought the pass then you get the item for free and if you can’t buy it then it can cost the normal amount of candles
I’m sorry, it’s just why would this even be considered? There are only a small amount of upsides to this, if any.
Yeah, I might even go as far as to quit if that gets implemented... If you guys are looking for ways to get more money, then maybe sell stuff from the previous season's adventure pass for a bit more during the next season?
i mean it gives less stress to the people who have the money to spend
What about people who don’t? Why only think about the spenders? You have to think about the entire player base
Will we get to test Christmas? Idk if beta lasts that long
maybe that will be nice
"We have heard the community’s feedback about the stress of grinding for and buying candles to obtain the items from Seasons past, and want to explore ways to offset the grindy feeling while still preserving the value of items that were tied to purchasing an Adventure Pass during the original season’s run."
They implemented it because someone or multiple someone's who play the game suggested it. It wasn't random.
Can you lose wl from any of the fire or other trials
Maybe you guys could sell an autumn leaf-shaped cape for money during Thanksgiving. I'm sure people would buy that.
I get why they created the concept of changing up the way TS worked, but this? This isn’t the way
its not about money, its about player feedback
@warm ether great idea! 👍
Thanksgiving
laughs in confused British
really i thought it was about money
TGC aren’t money hungry pigs, they care about their player base, it’s why they even considered this option, but this isn’t the way. In my opinion TGC should find a different way to improve TS
Also, I think more people would buy the candle packs if they costed less or had a bit more candles... Or maybe even a special mask that makes you tall?
maybe if i post the same quote kai did but highlight it people will read it
"We have heard the community’s feedback about the stress of grinding for and buying candles to obtain the items from Seasons past, and want to explore ways to offset the grindy feeling while still preserving the value of items that were tied to purchasing an Adventure Pass during the original season’s run."
The reason TGC and the DEVs make costs so expensive is because it’s not easy to do all the amazing stuff that we have in sky so don’t complain you can’t have one thing without giving up another
Idk, just me but I'd be happy if it was kept the same 
I know, but they could just make it cost a bit less so more will buy the pass... Or they could add a mask that makes you tall to the bundle?
The reason TGC and the DEVs make costs so expensive is because it’s not easy to do all the amazing stuff that we have in sky so don’t complain you can’t have one thing without giving up another
@late scarab This isn’t how it should be done though, you shouldn’t just try to satisfy the payers, you gotta think about all of the players.
Remember make sure to submit your feedback in #beta-feedback so they’ll know!
Reminder that TGC is a team of like 30-40 people with a multiple million player base (last I heard was 50 million??). Even if you think everyone on discord agrees, that's 49.5 million more opinions you haven't heard 
TGC aren’t money hungry pigs, they care about their player base...
@halcyon harness
The problem with this experiment is that it makes them come across as money-hungry pigs rather severely
My guess is that they wanted to improve the way TS worked and did a complete 180 and shattered what TS are all about.
if they were money hungry this change would've been implemented to live without any notice
@halcyon harness that’s not what I’m saying creating games and all the cosmetics for every season take a lot of time and effort so they wouldn’t give it away for a really cheap price for the season pass they make I very fair 10 dollars isn’t a crazy amount of money for all the work they put In
And don’t forget sky is a free game to downloading
I don't agree with this possible change either, but I can see where they're coming from. I'm sure there's a middle ground there somewhere!
Not everyone has the money to buy a pass every time. If this goes through you won’t be able to collect any items from TS unless you get a pass, meaning if you want anything from a TS you need a pass every season, and forget about off season, it’s unlikely anyone will be able to get any TS during off-season unless they preorder which isn’t the entire offseason
I think the way TS work is fine.
I like the idea (if it's possible with the game mechanics. Keri in mind the engine they use has restrictions they can't always bypass) to have ap holders get the past ap items free but those without ap to still get it at candle cost for ts.
I still think they need to do something about the pre-order part, what if there are 2 people pay for 3 people pass?
Only one can get the pre-order and that's not fair 
TS are a lot of candles that is true but it does make up for not spending the money on the actual season. If you keep up with candle runs during the weeks you can get enough candles to pay for the items
I think non pass holders should be able to buy everything at normal TS price, while pass holders get it at a reduced price.
I've already put my last posts idea plus the idea to let people who buy the 3 pack pre order passes to be able to gift before season starts into #beta-feedback hours ago
Iirc, didn’t they say the game runs on its own engine?
you're phrasing it like everything will be pass locked. only items that were originally pass locked will be locked on the ts.
I don't really like this system either, but i don't think they should get rid of it completely. I like the idea of having the reduced price for ap holders while non pass players have to pay the full price
even if it's their engine it still has limitations
discount system idea strikes again 
No, you need a pass to unlock all items.
Oh yeah the pass lock, you can't gift pass if you haven't been friend for at least 3 days 
Iirc, didn’t they say the game runs on its own engine?
@valid terrace slowmode. It's an engine they created but it still has restrictions they can't bypass because they didn't imagine the game getting this big or complicated when they created it
https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/618891214527266846/762109718331916298
pic of the tree, it shows that there are nodes for free players. I believe the hat isn't locked either
I still think this new system is fine, except for the pre-order things
yup! hat's free, mask is pass-locked, as well as lvl 2 and 4 emotes
I see, I still despise this concept though.
Many items are free during seasons just not all of them
have you ever feel like
M A N
Yes I feel like M A N everyday.
I think one of the things is that ts made it so you didn't need to pay anything to get the cosmetic, it offered a money-free way to get them if you can't afford a pass while still having newer players work for the cosmetics. And that's an amazing system. But if tgc intends to remove that then there's really not much of a point to a ts- wouldn't making aspects of a ts pay-to-get just be like bringing the season back one spirit at a time without the ultimate gift? (which I think the ultimate gift is incentive to buy the season pass in the first place) Why not just bring back the whole season? Then that plays into ultimate gifts- I belive it's just easier to keep the system we have in live Currently. Thanks for coming to my Ted talk 
Ts are for people who weren't around during the season. The free to play people getting a chance at them for free too was just an added bonus not the intended result
thithankyous
then why didn’t they just make it tied to the pass in the first place
I think the TS candle cost is really high. Players who got items during the season just need to spend 10 USD and 20 minutes per day to do the quests. But after the season we have to spend 30 + dollars per spirit (average 110 candle per TS / around 3.8 candles per dollar), or spend 1.5-2 hours daily grinding candles. Also, this game isn't eye-friendly, and grinding for so long long is really bad for the eyes and can cause eye problems in the long run.
I guess the announced method isn't good for many, but I appreciate that TGC is trying to change the current situation. Maybe a balance point is changingTS candle cost to 80% for non-payers and 40% to pass holders.
That’s funny, I knew a girl named Thi who would always say thank you.
years of candle running.. wasted...
go on my friends
I think we all have to get the TS you don’t it’s all up to you to spend the time on the traveling spirit no one is making you do it
Yeah I keep hearing the idea of making ts cheaper for pass holders, honestly seems like a win-win. Offers a way around grinding which is what this new thing would be for anyway, while also keeping it so it's not pay-to-get only
i remember them saying something about why they don't want to bring back seasons, rhythm being the only exception because it happened before launch. i'd have to find the quote
before ts were a thing, there were iap for certain seasonal items. this kind of feels like that, but more indirectly.... wonder what they're gonna do once the weekend is over 
Exactly, that’s why it shouldn’t require AP
“You reap what you sow”
Work hard get rewarded, not pay money, get rewarded.
It has almost been a full 24 hours since this debate started and y'all are still going
I will debate, till my last breath
Don't let it die out either, keep posting in #beta-feedback and voice your opinion!
i mean i think it’s important
I stopped doing the traveling spirits because it just wasn’t worth the time and yes the items were cool but I really didn’t need them. And neither do any of you of you think the TS is too much than DONT do it
Mentaroon almost nonstop. There's been other topics sprinkled in while this conversation was still going but mostly this 
It's extremely important to debate and leave feedback about this
It's definitely important but it's very impressive (And awfully concerning) that this has gone on almost nonstop for a full 24 hours
||been seeing so many entitle ppl don't want ts just because they don't want new players to get the cosmetics|| 
M A N I wish I can say no i am not mad at a video game cosmetic
people have been coming and going throughout the day(s) to talk about this topic. In a server of over 165k people, it's honestly not surprising that it's still an ongoing conversation
Our only tools are our voices, if we don’t use them to voice our opinions then what’s the point.
Yes! Please remember to use #beta-feedback 
I don't care much about many TS items too, but I am still buying all TS items for the remote chance that when ultimate gifts come back they will require completing the season's constellation through TS. And I REALLY want the ultimate gifts.
and remember to be kind and constructive in your feedback. someone has to go in and read all of it. 
@serene fern It's very upsetting, when ts were first implemented the amount of entitled players was skyrocketing (mentioned the wrong person oops i'm sorryy)
i think if you get every item from a season you should have a chance to buy it cause thats really hard work
Keep in mind you opinion isn't the only opinion and you may not like the result even if you provide your feedback. do not be rude to other players or the devs if the results are different from what you want 
Honestly ts is one of the thing that keep me excited in sky, to farm and to discuss with friends. I cannot imagine what will happen if it comes to live, I will still have ap but this is sad 
I understand that people want the ultimate gifts but I feel like the whole reason alot of people buy the seasonal pass is to get the ultimate gift. Bringing them back would kind of ruin that. But then that plays into this argument with then making ts need an AP. Which then it's like, why not bring back the whole season? It's what you'd be doing anyway just one by one
I used to be that noob that stressed about the TS and then I let it go I now collect emotes and have new season stuff u don’t need stress of wasting time to get old stuff I used my time on other stuff like my friends on sky and new seasons
Cosmetics are part of what brings people together, if you lock them behind a paywall then what’s the point?
Okay before I text something in feedback channel. May I ask you some question.
AP holder discount but f2p buyable.
Or dedicate AP for ts. Ts still comes randomly, you can choose to use the discount or not.
same i dont even do the constellations i do the traveling spirits when it needs a pass i dont think i will come back to sky even or not as much there is not really a point for me other to just see people
Yeah I basically only get the emote and wing buffs from the traveling spirits and chill otherwise.
I'd personally like there to be no AP option at all with ts but the AP making the items less expensive is a great compromise
@random gull same
traveling spirits vs traveling seasons
is it just me, or is the fire trial impossible solo?
i did it solo
seeing seasonal ts cosmetics in the closet makes me happy, all the cr is worth it. friends are already talking about quitting if this follows to live
This update really do blow up and made a lot of ppl unhappy
I did it solo but that was the first day it was out, not sure if it's still possible
@maiden minnow it is much harder but not impossible
i go for the wing buff first and then see if i want a cosmetic. i never buy out the whole thing, except for confetti cause i love that spirit
I saw videos of people doing it, and it doesn't look as hard as people are saying tbh
I need to go on beta to see what y’all are talkin about so see ya
jskdk but there's this one part where my winged light drains too fast, so I have to stop a little to reacharge.
But oncr I stop just for a second, the spiral vaccums consume me
Fire trial is doable solo, i just got lost for like 1h, but you'll get out of it eventually
current mood: M A N 
reminder that #beta-feedback for your ideas
give the dust bunnies a hug 
seeing seasonal ts cosmetics in the closet makes me happy, all the cr is worth it. friends are already talking about quitting if this follows to live
This update really do blow up and made a lot of ppl unhappy
@serene fern honestly, me and a friend of mine are losing motivation to play the game now that we saw this
Like the TS is supposed to be for players who couldn't get the cosmetics from previous seasons, so when I came back literally 2 years later due to immense schoolwork, I was sad because I thought I couldnt get the cosmetics anymore.
But when my friends explained to me about Travelling Spirits, I was somewhat happy and it made me motivate to play the game again more.
But now after seeing this? I might consider quitting the game... :/
@maiden minnow I was able to do it solo for all the updates. If you need tips, I can help! It is possible!!
mdmdm imma try to PM ya where I'm at, Android-
If this feature gets implemented im quitting tbh, this game has been wonderful for me and my friends the past year but without the candle runs I have no incentive to play, and neither do most of my friends
wait literally 2 years later? that's from lights awaits or what?
Zenai Craccer,
my mood went from Rage to sad to collapse in the bed thinking about quitting... I really hope they take it back
Wait people like candle runs?
wait literally 2 years later? that's from lights awaits or what?
@stark sundial well yeah including that too.
I missed out alot so much i couldnt entirely remember a thing. xD
I don’t like this either like they could make it so if you bought the pass you get the ap stuff for free and if you don’t buy it then you can use normal candles to buy it. Even if they bring this to live I would still play the game but I would be sad that I might not be able to get all the ts
sometimes its much better with friends to talk to when doing it
I love candle runs haha, me and my friends get to catch up and find new glitches 
I’m gone for like 30 seconds and now there’s like 30 new messages lol
Adventure pass is for the current season cosmetics, not travelling spirit 
@wanton canopy same. ✌🏻
Helloo, can someone explain to me the Travelling spirit update?
reminder that the issue they wanted to tackle with this system was stress due to candle running. 
yes, there are lots of issues that comes up with pass locking ts items, but how could they fix the stress issue, if that's their main problem?
honestly I made so many friends during candle running, this is a way how I met some of my best friends in game. If I can only get half of the ts I guess I'll go play with krills 
@wooden lance hi again 😄 i believe this is what you're looking for! https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/618891214527266846/757721074313068654
i'm thinking about,why we can't let those have pass get the cosmetics cheaper and others get it cost higher?
lights awaits was super different and this change to ts is not planned to hit live for now
Helloo, can someone explain to me the Travelling spirit update?
@ionic sorrel basically some aspects of traveling spirits will need an AP to buy!
Sorry to ask but whats a AP??
Maybe they should change the way you get candles? Maybe you can just get candles by doing bi-monthly lil puzzles that are challenging and not too grindy
Ok just read the new system for TS. Um what?
Adventure pass @desert tide
we will see... 
@ionic sorrel basically some aspects of traveling spirits will need an AP to buy!
@wanton canopy ahh thanks, but is all ts will be like this or just a few of them?
Gtg bye all my online friend even tho you don’t know meee

Also I was somewhat waiting for the Gratitude Fur Cape thing if it was a possible TS in the future ( but it's fine if it wouldn't there's always other TS's lol ).
But now knowing this beta update thing I just went like,,,, what??? 
Like this game made me learn how to speedrun in collecting candles and making new friends and I'm just,,,, shocked???
It's like the entire point of Travelling Spirits just got,,,, idk, useless or something?
Man I'm conflicted with this update ;;0;; 
@ionic sorrel all if them, but not all parts of the ts 
tgc will lose many players if the new system work😩and it's not a game for money right
@narrow nimbus check the last pins and don't panic 
I cant afford an AP every season even in my dreams, and the good cosmetics are AP only. That's sad 
Well tgc definitely doesn't not want money, but I agree that they'll loose alot of old players if the new thing is implemented
@narrow nimbus check the last pins and don't panic
@stark sundial Thanks for the reminder, I'm trying to not panic dw sjejdjdusksa
Is it just me or is the ultimate reward mask for the new season just plain AWESOME
i buy every pass since i come to this game,but not my best friend,and i don't wanna lose her
Is it just me or is the ultimate reward mask for the new season just plain AWESOME
@blissful torrent which one?
Explain how it’s a bug
@surreal ermine the current one in beta lol
@surreal ermine the jackal mask with the half halo. I just call it the anibus mask
@wanton canopy please don’t spread misinformation.
Only the items that were tied behind the Season of Belonging Adventure Pass will have the AP restriction, and will be marked with the Season of Prophecy symbol.
Damn sound lit, 100% buying it.
Ye that's what I mean, I said some aspects because that is some aspects! Sorry if I phrased it weird 
Yeah it really is
Meaning rhyme enchantment and sanctuary will be AP ts... ahhhhh of course there is rhyme.... 
Nvm
Still sad tho 
i mean we have been kinda lucky with TS’s as previously players had to buy it themselves during that season— it’ll be a painful new update but we vibe
no, behind Season of Belonging. it means, all seasons behind Belonging
Lightseekers, Gratitude etc, not the Rhythm season and forward
(no more
dance
)
can someone pls explain in simple terms for me which seasons will be AP blocked or not— I see everyone’s messages but I’m just really confused about it
NOOOOO WHY BOOGIE
no, behind Season of Belonging. it means, all seasons behind Belonging
Lightseekers, Gratitude etc, not the Rhythm season and forward
@fiery sun there goes my chances of getting Gratitude and Lightseekers cosmetics ;;0;;
( also yes i couldnt get those cosmetics in time as TS's rip )
Wait but I see the symbol on this week’s TS and it’s from Gratitude
Also why are they trying to change the ts system anyway
I found nothing wrong with it and it made it so those who weren't there/couldn't afford the AP could still get the cosmetics. It just seems silly to try and fix it when it isn't broken
Gratitude is before Belonging
Wasn’t gratitude the first season?
Bruh they are testing and they ask everyone so they will know should add or not 
But it just says Belonging. “Items that were tied behind the Season of Belonging Adventure Pass.”
Refer to the pins
They don’t plan to add it into the game
It’s really just a question
Yes but they said they were trying to revamp the ts system- which is what I don't get
Before??? Behind??? I don’t know English 😔👍
Seraph , can you confirm if this is a bug in beta screen shots?
Can you be more specific
vao87 what do you mean by “this”
But the reason why they’re asking these question is because they hear from old and new players that traveling spirits are unfair, so they want to figure out a way to make it fair for both parties
@blazing sail the wording is awkward but it really means the traveling spirit of corresponding season adventure pass...
In the article about the seasonal item refund they talked about rebalancing prices and stuff
They didn’t say how but just that they’re looking into it
And this is one hypothetical outcome
But the old TS systems is fine 
I do think the ts stuff is very expensive, and that could be changed. But I really don't like the idea of a pay-wall as a solution to that
Eventually we will be shown other hypothetical situations and we will have to give our feedback on that too
Old players complain that these items are “free” new players complain that they’re too expensive
Can we just tell TGC to only reduce the prices of candles with TS for players who have the current adventure pass?
That would've been a better idea than the latter ( being tested in Beta ) now. :/
I'm just stating my opinion, please don't @ me immediately
The devs are trying to reach a middle ground somehow
i hope they manage to reach it without upsetting both sides
@lusty light article? Which article?
Put your feedback in #beta-feedback but only your opinion
We didn't add price changes because we want feedback first
Who's complaining they're free, that's just selfish- 
But I do like the idea abit more that the AP would make the items cheaper
Don’t worry about how other people feel, the devs want to know how you personally feel
giving more perks to the AP would also give more people an incentive to also play — and make it less ‘oh just seasons’
I wonder if there's a chance that the deep call thing would come back, I really miss that 
actually i have a question, will the ts be different in beta than they're in live since we're testing this now? like are we gonna see ts from gratitude-belonging for the time being?
It means that AP items will remain AP items when they come back as a TS. It has nothing to do with previous AP purchases.
I dunt want to change the TS system becuz the TS price is my 10 days candle run 
I personally think a candle discount for AP holders would work best, already submitted feedback
We don’t have the deep call anymore?
Actual question: Who would this ap thing actually help tho? People who buy pass? No really because you still have to farm candles. So this is only a thing to make old players gatekeep?
(sorry if this sounds mean) I understand how ppl who bought pass want to get what they paied for, they do get the items during season tho... ultimate gift is already a thing for ap holder
Hi Ktjn! Just wanted to say that I absolutely love your krill army at your desk 
We don’t have the deep call anymore?
@oak lagoon no we do! But it used to show every player in the map you're on when you'd deep call
ah 😔
I miss that
@serene fern my point exactly... there’s now 2 paywalls instead of 1: 1 for the pass, one with in game currencies :( even if the AP locked items are discounted...
Nvm sorry for dropping words like that
It’s all about it players’ feelings
I don't wanna stuff anything up but how can you troll people with the deep call thing? Maybe following someone around but I didn't really see that as a huge Deal. I remember that being the reason it was removed
So if you bought (PURELY FOR HYPOTHETICAL REASONS) a Gratitude AP in 2019, but didn't get any of the masks, and you want the crab mask on the kabuki spirit visiting right now, you'd need to own the Prophecy AP as this spirit is visiting during the Season of Prophecy.
You used to be able to white screen people around you with the deep call
personal experience here: having someone follow you around in-game is super creepy and off-putting, and I'm glad that TGC has made it slightly safer with that update
So if you bought (PURELY FOR HYPOTHETICAL REASONS) a Gratitude AP in 2019, but didn't get any of the masks, and you want the crab mask on the kabuki spirit visiting right now, you'd need to own the Prophecy AP as this spirit is visiting during the Season of Prophecy.
yep means I understood it right
if the "AP items were to remain as AP items on the travelling spirits", as stated at that face value for all travelling spirits and not just those from the Season of Belonging, then my current feedback would remain unchanged: it's completely TGC's right what choice they want to make, but i can't say i enjoy the idea of not being able to earn some items eventually without needing to buy an AP pass
Oof, so you’d have to purchase a pass twice if you didn’t finish it the first time... tough luck there
Some people are sensitive about their personal space (which is understandable. Feel like I have to clarify since my words sound kinda apathetic)
About the upcoming beta updates that TS cosmetics also need Adventute Pass, can people who got their passes from sharing unlock full TS cosmetics also?
but having to own previous AP’s whether there’s a paywall or not will make moths even less likely to play meaning it’ll only cater to try hard chads and veterans
But they haven’t even made the choices yet y’all this is a hypothetical question 
Just sharing my very strong opinion don't mind me 
The idea is to incentivize getting items during their original season run as they will be considerably cheaper than when they come back as Travelers.
just wondering, but does anyone have the prophecy spirit prices (plus the seasonal heart)? sorry if this is offtopic, i'm just trying to figure out how long it would take to max a spirit friendship tree 
for me, my experience wasn't really about personal space. It was just the fact that this one player would not stop following me and my friend around. We would be doing literally nothing, just standing around in Vault, and the other player would stand there with us and stare and then chase us around if we moved. They even went Home with us and followed us through the Prairie portal. It was super weird.
But then it just becomes a pay-to-get thing which like, wasn't not having to spend money a reason for the ts in the first place?
There are no charts, we actively discourage price charts to be made during beta because of how quickly things change and misinformation will be spread
But for people who couldn't play the game in 2019—such as android players, or people who didn't know the game existed—they can get the Prophecy AP and also gain access to AP items as a catchup mechanic.
TS wasn't designed to get items to free players outside of the expressions. It was designed as a catch-up mechanic.
I think making ts cheaper with an AP would be a great solution to that, while also providing a non-cash option
Again
WE DID NOT ADJUST PRICES YET.
This is in order for the focus to be on the AP restriction and not on the price balancing/adjustments that are not yet finalized.
yes it’s all hypothetical
We want feedback on the change first.
Ah, yes but I'm saying if this was hypothetically implemented- sorry I didn't mean to offend or anything 
My pfp sums up my entire reaction
TS wasn’t designed to get items to free players outside of the expressions. It was designed as a catch-up mechanic
Ktjn#8721
That needs to be highlighted and bolded.. majority of the arguments here tend to be regarding why they are not going to be free anymore
oh- one more question, does the season start tomorrow or the day after (that's what the live loading screen says, right?)
Aaand pinned
It starts Monday pacific time snowclaws
This was pushed to beta VERY VERY EARLY in the development process to get it in front of players first, in order to start a dialog about the whole Traveling Spirit system.
But I mean it did end up adding a non cash option even if it wasn't intentional at first- and I feel like that needs to be kept in mind if this new system was implemented. I'm going to leave now I feel bad
I actually asked my friends who rarely use discord but play Sky to submit their feedback since they also had their seperate opinions on it
And they're somewhat glad I encouraged them to tell their opinions about the tested updated TS system haha qwq
Maybe we need to speed up beta ts cycle? For better testing new system and get feedback more quickly?
While I can't go into exact numbers, the vast majority of people who obtain items off Traveling Spirits spend $ to do so. They don't grind for those items.
So think about how much $ in candles that is.
you mean my 10 day candle run could be bought 😔
Per spirit
wow, that's actually really interesting to hear. I thought that most went through the grind for it
X6
So... wait isn’t that a good thing for TGc in the end then? Why change it??
Per season
question, some seasonal items used to be IAP (such as furry cape), right?
Yeah
really? i grind its hard but worth it some times i kinda feel sad i cant know what i’m grinding for because sometimes i dont wanna put the effort in for those two weeks but its how the TS system is
Maybe tgc has the players interests in mind rather than trying to drain everyone’s wallets?
Any tricks for the fire trail guys?
Um ok so as i read that “...those cosmetics will require the pre-ordering of the upcoming new season’s Adventure Pass”. Does that mean people who get their passes from sharing cannot unlock TS’s full cosmetics too?
Will the furry cape spirit ever come back? I miss seeing loads of outfits implementing it
I really like grinding tho... just a personal opinion, I don’t play all in an hour.. I tend to play at diff times during the day
I grind, because my parents don't allow me to buy anything ingame. Not even founders pack or merch. And eventually, crs seem fun because of the sense of accomplishment after reaching 500 candles like me
Tbh tho I like the old system better; a good compromise would be a discount for AP holders as mentioned earlier
Remember that all the people screaming about this stuff in the discord are a very, very, very small percentage of the playerbase.
edit: This isn't meant to diminish the value of your thoughts and opinions, it was to help you all understand that your perspective is only yours. You cannot speak for others, you cannot speak for the entire playerbase.
I like the old system better
wait we still talking about this 
Our design decisions are based on data from the entirety of the playerbase.
They vote with their wallets.
Ifthis comes to live we will see the actual percentage of ppl screaming 
it's beta gen chat, we're still gonna talk about this 24 hours later 
but what if we wanna vote with our voices instead :C
Well the beta channel is supposed to discuss things being tested and this is the hot new thing that’s being tested
Hypothetically speaking, if i won't be able to buy the next ap and then all the ts are what i want. And when i decided to buy the next next ap but ts are not what i want. Then that's pure bad luck 
Then would testing and getting feedback in beta be an accurate representation of what people overall feel? I feel like it might not :\
Again, it's early in the process.
Hmmm I feel like alot of people will stop playing if this new thing end up Implemented.. including myself
and my wallet goes brrr yes

i don't believe we will, sequoia -- in the grand scheme of things, this discord server is still only a fraction of the entire playerbase, so we may well not be seeing the true representative opinion of the entirety
Less than 1 percent! Remember that
160k, not even all English speaking people in this server
Shooked
50 million downloads and Discord is only 165k+
Am I correct to assume this ts change idea is in no way related to any consideration of past ultimates by TGC for now? 
We are fully aware that gift passes can not be given during off-season. We'll likely make adjustments to that first, were this system to go live.
true isn’t most of their fanbase asian ?
This has nothing whatsoever to do with ultimate gifts
I trust TGC will come up with a good solution to everything in the end
And yeah, not many Sky players have discord
Maybe an ingame survey that gives you candles to collect feedback
I'm Asian
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This is based on actual data you guys. Majority of players buy candles. That's it. And it's in early phase so many changes can happen.
There are in game surveys they’re just rare
In theory, we actually stand to lose money making this change, but it's favorable to players.
i keep getting a survey in beta asking for my email though 
Yeah I've gotten two in game surveys in the past year and three months I've played lol
But if at the end of the day, no losses are being incurred with the traveling spirits, then why the change? :( I hope then that the alternate option of being able to use candles if we don’t have an AP will be open too

ig i’m the small percentage that’s broke 
true isn’t most of their fanbase asian ?
@cursive stone oh crap you got me I’m Asian
Yeahh me and my friends struggle to spread seasonal passes every season between us as is so this would really hurt us 
I've gotten one survey about Eden only and I loved the free candle :))
Last I heard japan was the third largest playerbase? This was from a livestream
I’ll be interested to see how this change will develop through feedback and such.
Not sure how I feel about the fact TGC stands to lose money though. It’s nice you’re hoping to make it less stressful for us but I don’t want you losing money. 
I would assume number 1 is China and number 2 is America... but I have nothing to back that up lol
I can see why
this game has a very anime like feel haha
hoi
laughs silently in china (hk so i play international ver.)
i think everyone is getting heated about TS subjects
to help with the mood i’ll let you know that my cat is snoring next to me
Murica
I like to see where this is going
No ones getting heated :/ people are just stating their opinions
Yeah the majority if people I meet are either in America or China 
Head empty, only M A N 
Who knows what will happen to this ts system
If the change goes into live, then since there will be a lot less grinding, I hope they increase the frequency of TS spirits too - like move it to every 1 week instead of every 2 weeks
sorry seraph :,) i suck with social cues so don’t mind me vibing with my cat
Squish that cat!
America is hot
didn't the ts used to be like every 1 wk then changed to 2
Have we done a voting poll about this 
it used to be every week offseason, then they made it every 2 weeks both offseason and in-between seasons
@clear cargo A poll would not be helpful. testing will be.
oooooooooooo a two week poll would be interesting
I am curious what a poll would say though lol
if this will go to live I guess i rather have one ts per week since non pass holder can't get half of the cosmetics anyways 
it was 1 a week when there was no season running. that has since been changed due to 2 times a week always to relieve candle running stress
if i remember correctly, the ts schedule was changed to every 2 weeks because people were hoarding their candles for the TS and it was taking away from other activities like upgrading friendship trees or making new friends -- that wasn't considered desirable behaviour
If the change goes into live, then since there will be a lot less grinding, I hope they increase the frequency of TS spirits too - like move it to every 1 week instead of every 2 weeks
Speaking of this, should we be providing feedback on the whole ts system and how we might like to see it with this sort of change or should we just focus on only the change that has been mentioned?
A poll would self-select participants from the most vocally opposed. That's just human nature.
oml I did the fire trial solo. I can confirm all the trials can be done solo
Both @late mountain because they come in a package :O
It's really such a shame. I always wanted to get the TS items, and I cant get AP cause the chances of my parents buying AP for me are absolute zero atm-
How can we test this? We all have pass in beta
I keep asking this but no one can answer
i feel like if a poll did get added, the players would just be 
I guess we'll have to see what happens if it gets added to live... I hope it doesn't get added tho
If a poll was added literally everyone would say no
i mean, make sure you can buy it first of all. our season will end before live will, so we can test a ts then. the gap between testing seasons in beta is pretty long
I don’t see this going in until a couple of months later tho :o
Wouldn’t decreasing the grind and then making the spirits come more often just cancel that out
you dont know that every body will say no i’m sure like maybe 15% will say yes
Polls by default are biased
that strikes me as more of a continuous frantic sprint rather than a marathon in some senses
It’s just the very strict options you can choose
I’m confused as to how this would decrease grinding though
@lusty light because of the grind they made it to 2 weeks, but if there;s not much grind to begin with making the spirits come every 1 week is better... at least I get more spirits visiting while I have the pass (that;s my reason if I’m honest)
I guess it's fine for an AP to be used for the TS too since they can repeat
I just hope both cosmetic options for each spirit is cycled. Let's say the hair is in the Pass in their first visit.
Now their cape is on the pass of their second visit with the hair isn't.
Increasing the frequency to every week would be very good for this too. So that we can get more repeats
before it comes anywhere near live, it will be tested. I recommend everyone search from: Ktjn#8721 in: beta-discussion-android and consider some of what has been offered direct from the source.
it means nothing to ppl who always buy ap tho
so i guess some ppl will not care at all
They should just do discounts for those who have AP. Or even make it free for those who have AP, while those who dont have AP still have to grind the candles for the normal prices. I really agree with this idea-
How many ts come per season on average?
keep in mind that not all 50 million players will know to look at social media for such a poll, so those who would take the poll wouldn't really represent the whole playerbase that well.
as for reducing grinding, they haven't adjusted the prices yet, presumably they will be cheaper
Yeah but if grinding for an individual spirit isn’t so bad, but now they come twice as frequently, you’re back at square one because you need to grind for two spirits during the same timeframe as before
Why are we talking about AP for TS tbh. We should be discussing really important changes, like adding f a l l d a m a g e

Everyone here is very certain of their opinions: please consider that you may not have a full understanding of the impact, and that testing and listening can be valuable for everyone.
Not really... The reason it was so hard before was because on average you needed 100 candles with no discounts...now if they come and on average cost 60 then that;s not bad at all, you can do 2 realms for s, su, m, t, w, th and be fine
This is just an example but if spirits cost 100 candles now, and they hypothetically make the cost 50, now you only have to get 50 candles every two weeks
But if the spirit is 50 candles and they come weekly, now you need to get 100 candles every two weeks again and you’re stressed
Gahh, those who can't even afford AP will really be left behind-
The notice said: “...those cosmetics will require the pre-ordering of the upcoming new season’s Adventure Pass”. I feel like it’s a bit unfair for people who got their passes from sharing because me and my friends all spend our money on the 3-people-pass-pack and only the one who has the pack can unlock full TS cosmetics (?)
oml if fall damage was added my skykid would be dying every half a second-
Ingame survey at the beginning of the game would do then yeah? For like a week, during TS week. So that the active players can take the survey.
We are fully aware that gift passes can not be given during off-season. Well likely make adjustments to that, were this system to go live.
ktjn on the pass thing
that can't guarantee that all of the players can take the survey though. not all are able to log into sky everyday. 
o.o
I’m not sure about everyone else but I feel like as the seasons come more numerous and therefore the ts come more numerous that the current ts system will need a rework. The chance of any given ts returning is going to nose dive the longer it runs. I’m just not sure what would be the best way to improve it.
^^ not to mention there are active players who also don't have that specific social media to take that survey
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@lusty light i would really rather just make the most of having a pass at hand... if I have a pass for 70 days, then that’s 70/7 —> 10 spirit’s that could visit at that time
But say it comes very 14 days then:
70/14 = 5 spirits that could visit at that point
What if I’m not able to afford the next pass?
~~yup cheapskate me ~~
that can't guarantee that all of the players can take the survey though. not all are able to log into sky everyday.
@mental otter a week. a month if they need to. But active players would probably do login at least once per week.
Oh I see, but that still would ruin the original point of what tgc is going for which is trying to make things less stressful, not maximize things further
Yea but that;s just my opinion... I want to make the most out of it :o, plus increasing the frequency means less pressure — because now it’s bound to come back sooner or later.. cause you get 10 spirits instead of 5, the 5 spirits just means you have to wait longer to get the spirit you want — hence MORE grinding. The one time the spirit shows up, you have to wait forever for the next time!
The only thing I've seen that's guaranteed in Sky as I've played since 2018 is that things can and will change. That the company respects the players enough to try things that sound bad if you don't understand where they're going.
i wonder who the person that thought of the idea?
Someone should pin the important highlights of what krilltjn said. I think there are some points there to think about when we discuss and test this out in beta
M A N
anyways i got to write my paper, once again make sure to use #beta-feedback if you have anything to say I guess

I hope everything will turn out ok in the end
So, I think you guys should maybe change the locations of candles bimonthly, and the the candles could be unlocked with puzzles and riddles so candleruns feel a bit less grindy while still being a thing where you can meet people?
I think its better if they just make AP cosmetics from TS free. Because AP cosmetics of Seasonal Spirits are free, so don't you think its fair if the AP Cosmetics of TS are free too? I know that new players are complaining about it being stressful for CR, but I don't think they'll be happy if its not made free either...
if they were puzzles they would just take longer candle runs are like already 2 hours
But the puzzles could be fun, and a bit less repetitive.
I see a lot of familiar names in chat from earlier today and from yesterday. I'm glad people are involved, but I hope you take some perspective with this: Nobody is going to make any changes to this system this weekend. The changes aren't headed straight to live. If you've shared thoughts, leave them be, we don't need to achieve consensus, we only need to agree to test and to give our honest and personal feedback.
I can speed run a realm in 25 mins max for gw, but wouldn't it be hard to memorise all the candle locations again

That's the thing, you wouldn't have to. Maybe there could be riddles that point to where a cluster of candles is located and you could solve a lil puzzle to unlock it. Idk, I like riddles
is there an official date yet for this ts system to be tested in beta?
but we neeeeeed a lot of candles for TS
I just found out about travelling spirits needing passes in the future and I'm mad because I don't buy passes in the live version 
@foggy aurora in spite of your comment coming with some censored language, please be assured, this is not headed straight for Live. Read the pins. Read what Ktjn has to say. This is BETA
@foggy aurora in spite of your comment coming with some censored language, please be assured, this is not headed straight for Live. Read the pins. Read what Ktjn has to say. This is BETA
@orchid nexus I mistyped some words and came out as a censored word haha.. sorry about that
Mayo, people will just be posting answers of the riddles everywhere, also it doesn't really fit sky in my opinion 💦
what were you trying to spell that made it come out as bad o.o
this new system is already implemented in beta. as for when it will go to live? 
we have lots of things in beta than haven't made it to live, so there is no guarantee that this will make it either. It definitely won't make it in as is.
Idk, I just think that maybe the way you get candles can be a bit repetitive. The more you do it, the more it seems like a chore.
what were you trying to spell that made it come out as bad o.o
@abstract plover was about to type " as I don't buy" but became another word so I used because at the end
Mainly to clarify, I think its better that the AP items TS are made free for those who have AP. For those who don't have AP still have to do it the normal way we have now. People are complaining its hard to candle run and its stressful, but I don't think making it AP-only for certain cosmetics would help things at all. I think its a lot better if the TS remains the way it is now, but for those who have AP, the AP cosmetics are free.
Sorry for repeating myself-
this is going to be a huge change, welp

ok, time for me to actually do some work
be kind, drink some water, go play sky and relax

Water wët
yeah that does make me sad kinda because a lot of players are not here to voice their opinions ours could be less important
Everyone’s opinion is important
New players complaining about how it's so hard to save up candles for ts and tgc works on it
Old players complaining about the bugs but still there
I'm not saying this in a bad way but I think this kinda biased-
I mean, you try raising over 100 candles in a very tight timeframe and also have to juggle giving friends hearts and upgrading levels and emotes
And the devs do work on bugs, not everything is so easy to fix
bugs are hard to fix, some take more time to fix than others.
ok now i'm going

Hmmm you have a point...
yeah i dont do my friend trees anymore cause i’m to scared i will miss out
"TS wasn't designed to get items to free players outside of the expressions. It was designed as a catch-up mechanic." -ktjn
just for future reference...
However it is, I respect what TGC will made in the end of their decision.
but if it was not ment for players that dont spend money why not make it so like what they said they are doing now in beta
I mean, you try raising over 100 candles in a very tight timeframe and also have to juggle giving friends hearts and upgrading levels and emotes
to illustrate this point actually: i've actually outright stopped working on the constellation spirits right now while trying to save up for travelling spirits and build up savings to hedge for a rainy day
The way ktjn said that we're just a small minority tho... Made me feel like what we say wouldn't matter that much... 
it is what it is, let's hope it turns out well
Let's just pray for the better 
The way ktjn said that we’re just a small minority tho... Made me feel like what we say wouldn’t matter that much...
@fervent patrol
And to add to that, I don’t understand why the feedback was being asked from that small minority group in beta who will obviously be vocal about certain things — we are not a good representation of the wider audience
I enjoy saving up for ts, the sec i pour all my candles into it, I know I earned it.
I do pause heart trade the week ts arrived so I don't see the issue
idk it just feels like back stabbing some one we get to buy the items and we work really hard tp get them but then saying we cant buy some after this long
every opinion matters! that's why it's important to state your feelings about what tgc announces in #beta-feedback . i'm sure they read every one of those and take it into heart
My mood is still down 
Okay I'm out haha. Everyone pls calm down. Any text you put in here won't go into feedback channel, pls submit your personal feeling to the feedback channel directly.
I enjoy saving up for ts, the sec i pour all my candles into it, I know I earned it.
I do pause heart trade the week ts arrived so I don't see the issue
@serene fern it's the new players.. They have to rush because they don't remember all the spots likely to not get 16-17 candles a day that's why there are complains
@fervent patrol if it helps, this won’t be going into live anytime soon.... so until then, let’s just enjoy live as it is :)
not all of us have the same system/process of saving up candles for traveling spirits. some farm candles and take what they can get, even if it doesn't complete a full 17-18 amount. others don't even have the time to candle run all realms 
it seems like the chat has gone depressed after the stage of raging... cuz me too fam 
cheer up!
@foggy aurora I do got dragged by friends when I was a moth and learned all the candle spots. I don't see why the ts cosmetics will be that important to very new players anyways...Not even a lot of new players know how the ts work
I don't know how new you mean.
Some hoard and collect everything, some take what they can, some just literally buy the wing buff, differs from player to player
Some even don't buy at all-
I really like how tgc is trying to make it easier on us cause I literally have a whole schedule for ts grinding and how that fits into hearts and my constellations
I also like candle grinding, I get antsy if I’m not familiar with a territory
Thou i am a little hurt that ktjn said it the way they did, I’m just here hoping it works itself out in the end, it usually does.
I absolutely agree with that. I was the same when I was new. But surprisingly for me, it was actually easy to memorize where all the spots are for CR.
I guess for a lot of those new players, they don't know where to get the wax and I'm pretty sure new players probably don't even know how much wax you can get if you manage to get them all. When I found out, I was pretty shocked myself-
Saying that discord represents a small minority of players is not the same as saying that our voices don't matter. Our input is invaluable. Direct contact between devs and players helps in ways you probably haven't imagined. And keep yourselves happy and healthy! Your voice matters, but repeating and restating your own feelings won't elevate your input it will only frustrate, because things will not change today... or tomorrow.
it seems like the chat has gone depressed after the stage of raging... cuz me too fam
cheer up!
@foggy aurora I do got dragged by friends when I was a moth and learned all the candle spots. I don't see why the ts cosmetics will be that important to very new players anyways...Not even a lot of new players know how the ts workI don't know how new you mean.
@serene fern
When I first started to save up for the TS I didn't have friends to help me or anything so I had to learn myself I was disappointed at myself for not getting weasel mask
It's okay to feel down at not being noticed. What TGC sees are numbers but what they are interested in are the players' feelings and experiences. That in itself is your unique footprint. Don't give up on that but also let yourself sleep a bit. A different day will bring a different perspective
Congratulations you have officially passed the 24 hour mark of near nonstop debating over this new system
can i ask what TGC is planning to do? Im so confused? If im not allowed to know, it’s okay
This afternoon was quiet though, not a peep about the new TS system.
we all have missed at least 1 or 2 ts because we are new to the game
Now you are just complaining about the things you missed... 😔
can i ask what TGC is planning to do? Im so confused? If im not allowed to know, it’s okay
@ocean bluff you can see it in #beta-announcements
I just read the msg of ktjn and it's very disappointing really
about the minority and it makes me feel it will go to live anyway, we will see how it becomes when it get to live tho 
In the meantime I think the discount system for AP owners and also an option for not holders of the AP with same candlesprices for f2p users it's like literally the best option if a lot of people spend money in candles for ts then they have the option to use 10 bucks
Oh no, 24 hours already
Remember to drink everyone :''
|| This chat really went through 7 stages of grief i- ||
Since we are a minority, why bother then? Our voice doesn't represent majority of the players anyway. Especially if the newer ones are the one complaining, and we're all pretty old players with stack of candles 
idk they said our voices are important but i dont feel it
We can be heard in #beta-feedback give our opinions to them and let them see it. Of course they won't see the beta discussion but they will see the feedbacks so don't feel like as if we are all minorities yet there's still hope 
Ktjn's message about "minority of players" has nothing to do with how valuable feedback and testing is. That is not the intent. The statement is to remind everyone here that there is a whole ocean of people with varying viewpoints. We all share a love of Sky!
Mainly to clarify, I think its better that the AP items TS are made free for those who have AP. For those who don't have AP still have to do it the normal way we have now. People are complaining its hard to candle run and its stressful, but I don't think making it AP-only for certain cosmetics would help things at all. I think its a lot better if the TS remains the way it is now, but for those who have AP, the AP cosmetics are free.
Sorry for repeating myself-
@fervent patrol
I actually quite like this idea too-
I'm sure TGC is listening! This change is being tested after all due to player feedback in the first place. Please don't be disheartened and leave your feedback in #beta-feedback 
Emm, can anyone tell me where is the latest message of ktjn?
search bar comes in handy with that
Emm, can anyone tell me where is the latest message of ktjn?
@pallid thunder #beta-announcements
from: Ktjn#8721 in: beta-discussion-android
Idk the new ts idea probably would have stopped me from breaking down when headpat came and I was just barely short of the earmuffs so in that sense... inhales yeah
We cant blame ktjn. Bcoz if those feedbacks came from players who spends $$ just for the TS, that would totally be a different thing. It's a different factor when feedbacks came from players who whales the game and not grinding it.
I think a lot of people here would be surprised to hear some of the things that have come and gone in beta without ever making it to the live game
I should quit being mad sad or neither. We will see how this turns out
If it turns out no ok ||I guess it is what it is and i will cry||
please prevent quoting long messages and you only have a few words to say. pinging/mentioning is alright! this it to avoid clogging the chat 
Also: one-liner responses that quote large blocks of text may be removed without warning.
I kinda already did-
Just yesterday, but not sure if I made it clear ebough to be understood-
Rainbow hearts looked pretty I want them just to look at them and no other reason
Pufferfish or Eel quest, anyone?
I think a lot of people here would be surprised to hear some of the things that have come and gone in beta without ever making it to the live game
@orchid nexus like the great candle flood 🤣
Or the GIANT campfire of DOOOOOOOM!
Oh my the hearts were rainbow ?
These all sound like cool idea titles what are these-
we had pufferfish and eels in sky before? 
you mean to tell me those existed? 
Yes... and turtle quest
were there phrogs
Turtle shell cape when
Omg I'd love translucent pufferfish in sky, also more underwater areas and maybe an underwater season?
alex tell us more 
Under the sea~
I missed Ktjn message, may I ask which opinion was mentioned with minority players?
you can kinda relive the one in birdsnest if you sit on the old meditation spot for it
well at least we technically have the turtle now 
Yes mayo i want underwater season too ;;;;;;
I'd like to see more creatures of light and dark... Maybe we could have dark piranhas and sharks? And sea urchins? Also, coral and kelp underwater.
Light frog
social hub that lead to prairie hub, that lead to players being separated... but the prairie hub was so pretty 
Omg I'd love translucent pufferfish in sky, also more underwater areas and maybe an underwater season?
@warm ether
i submitted ideas about next winter season to be held under valley's ice rink 🥺
you can kinda relive the one in birdsnest if you sit on the old meditation spot for it
I-I want to know where it is i NEED to knowgimme your knowledge
I like how the mood changed let's keep it this way
Birdnest in....forest ?
||again, stages of grief, we're reaching acceptance-||
Sorry for this question I was always wondering why did seasonal candle only have 15pcs option to buy? I never find the answer anywhere and i didnt wanna send ticket just for asking that 
Anyone got the price chart for prophecy btw? Thank you
price charts are discouraged here since they can be changed within a short span of time and therefore spread misinformation 
Hmm, the trials will come gradually, right ?
Does this also affect the spirits ?
Will they come gradually too ?
Ah :0c
I just wanna see the cosmetics for the spirit haha idc bout the price honestly. But i would like to see the predicted too
Anyone got the price chart for prophecy btw? Thank you
@vague dew can I PM you a screenshot?
I don't think the spirits will come gradually, from what I know they didn't do that in previous seasons
slowmode: 1 minute 1 second
Just checked birdsnest and they might have patched it, but you could relive part of that old quest if you sat in the right spot. Nothing would happen at the end though.
think of the trials as the bell quests in sanctuary; we can relive the spirits' memories as soon as the season is launched but we won't get the trials all in one go
slowmode: 1 minute 1 second
No, why would this happenMy mind is hurting
61 seconds. because the rule in this channel is only prime numbers for slowmode
What stage of grief do you guys think you are now... I think I’m finally at acceptance 
lmao who came up with that rule
but- but- it was 60 seconds and 120 seconds before 
@rain delta
Wait why are we sad 
ngl this topic was really fun to discuss,
Why only prime numbers 
@rain delta if you finalize your feelings on this before it's even tested you'll be emotionally exhausted after each round of changes
Tough to say. Fire (both Trial and Prophet) came later than the others in Beta, but in the Prophet's case that wound up having to do more with bugs than any intentional delay. It's possible that fireboi was initially delayed intentionally (to be released alongside the trial), but then bugs delayed him further, and we wouldn't really know the difference.
Nah, when I reach acceptance, I go to objective point of view on everything hahaha
Wait stages of grief? For what?
Fire trial was the only trial that gave me stress water,air and earth was fun
i'd be quite amused if fireboi also isn't there initially in the live release 
What stage of grief do you guys think you are now... I think I’m finally at acceptance
@rain delta Maybe I'm on the Stage before Acceptance. x'ddddddd
i forgot what it was called 👁💧👄💧👁
@odd field Actually, I think the new season could be located in the Isle of Dawn, under the sea near the entrance. We could be able to dive underwater, and swimming controls would be similar to flying controls but we could be able to walk on surfaces like the ocean floor. Creatures of dark like sea urchins, sharks, piranhas, and other things could be added and creatures of light like fish, coral, kelp, etc. could also be introduced (also, jellyfish. Lots of jellyfish). There could be lil mini lava vents things at the bottom of the ocean floor that work like hot springs on Sanctuary Islands. There could be a lighter area near the surface of the water that's brighter and has more creatures of light than the next stages, which gradually get darker and have more creatures of dar- aaaand I'm rambling.
i'd be quite amused if fireboi also isn't there initially in the live release
@sullen relic I mean, we all know how shy they are.
oh wait i genuinely thought i was in general live lol excuse me
In beta, water was available first, and then the next day (which wasn’t so long since the update was like,,,, right before reset) was earth, the day after was air, the day after was fire, which was bugged with a death loop before they fixed it enough to continue (? On that last part)
WHY ARE WE SAD SOMEONE PLEASE
i'd be quite amused if fireboi also isn't there initially in the live release
Fire dad becomes shy, episode two![]()
Here's a beta thing that I LOOOOOVVEEEDDD that never made it to live: https://twitter.com/Enarc_Dobahci/status/1035556422279409665
Well Death loop is better than nearly impossible to cross just the second section
fire boy was so shy yet he takes up the whole screen when you click on his star at home 
BIG MAN STRONK
Looks like a kingdom! that clouds part looks so fluffy i lowkey wish it was solid so we could have slept on it 
Fire boy doesn't wanna be body shamed 
I have yet to be able to test the fire trail because its so difficult :/
Plus no one ever does it so I guess I'll wait till live
Here's a beta thing that I LOOOOOVVEEEDDD that never made it to live: https://twitter.com/Enarc_Dobahci/status/1035556422279409665
do you think they'll bring it back?
to be fair, that place was dysfunctional. made everyone split up and friend groups lost form because of it
fire boy was so shy yet he takes up the whole screen when you click on his star at home
@zinc prawn I still want a fanart of a tiny-chibi hugging his boot.
that cape pattern...was that from the "light awaits" beta version of the game?
@zinc prawn I still want a fanart of a tiny-chibi hugging his boot.
@grave jetty you just gave an idea to all the beta artists here
to be fair, that place was dysfunctional. made everyone split up and friend groups lost form because of it
laughs in prairie cave entrance
WHY ARE WE SAD SOMEONE PLEASE
@signal folio the ts thing can really come in live
"light awaits" was just the pre-launch name of the game.
what did it have? wax? or is it just a playground
What was the difference between that place and the aviary ?
@pallid thunder I thought we said it wouldn't happen NOOOOO
Man why do I have to be lower classss
@orchid nexus mannnn that;s really sad ;-; even the capes were soo good rip
Aviary lead to that spot, and then there were quests that started from there. you could do 1 quest a day from several different launch points. so if you had done a quest that your friend hadn't... pressure to split up
Here's a beta thing that I LOOOOOVVEEEDDD that never made it to live: https://twitter.com/Enarc_Dobahci/status/1035556422279409665
@orchid nexus sorry I saw the original white cape design in the pic and thought that’s what you missed and I really do miss those beta cape designs 🥺
shiny cape 
will they bring back the cape designs 
Remember when we had to fly up to another island for a winged light but they relocated it because it was too difficult to fly there when you first started?
I used that island as an excuse to show my friends I can fly
I miss the old cape pattern, but it sadly won't be returning any time soon - I believe it was causing problems and either slowing things down or heating up devices
I personally like the current capes, nice and simple, but the lighting of most areas still make it pretty, I feel like your eyes would be drawn more to the cape than the skykid during light awaits
@foggy aurora i reached it after a few tries
i had 3-4 flaps back then. my determination to gather all shiny bois
oh yeah, that cape was pretty. but caused performance issues... maybe some of those issues have been cleared up enough to reintroduce patterns, but last I heard, the attitude from devs was like... we can make better capes than that 
And well, they did 
Is anyone having any idea what would the eleventh flap look like on capes?
I like the new cape shapes that they have been making, but I do miss the feathery pattern that used to be there
White capes = eyes go byebye
last we heard, it hasn't even been programmed into the game yet yash
toe elder hair + white cape + glow spell 
- go through a trial, permanent blindness

+full brightness
a reminder that sky kid's cosmetics are made of light
sky kid wearing sunglasses 
idk why but people who wear the toe elder hair and are smol cheebs , they look
so cute
I see them as toe nails
yall gotta do them like that 😔
Where’s that one meme that’s like “I wear sunglasses to protect my friends from the full force of my awesomeness”
Wow! This is the first time I saw this chat stop for like more than 30 seconds 
we call chibi vault elders "egg" where I come from
Im so exciting for new season tomorrow

they're still babie 🥺
Oh what- I don't know why my message was cencored-
im surprised how the chat is finally calm
so, how is everyone today? 
doing ok
i think i might actually get a full beta run in today haha
I put my idea for a season in #wishlist-and-ideas-archived! Pls give me feedback on it.
dont try to type prohibited words please!
Please don’t try and circumvent the filter, it’s filtered for a reason
And I think you know exactly why
Fire boi is kinda....(forgive me!)
ah yes, misspelled thinn't
VERY FORBIDDEN INFORMATION
it is very sexual... please don't 
Fire boi is strong! Ain't no fart gonna scare them!
Hehe really sorry
also remember fire boy and water girl? THEYRE PROPHECY SPIRITS NOW
Doing very well, just got info on my score for the arts and crafts I've made and got a decent one
Pretty happy 
Lol that sharkboi and lava girl
prophet of fire looks like the type of person who gives the perfect hugs 
I haven't been this scared since my creator got stuck in someone's basement 
my nightmares
SKYBOT WHAT-
Skybruh kidnaps their creator and locks em ?
i am concerned
Hehe
@worn trail please, this is a public server with possible children here, it’s not good to jokingly try and go past it, the rules are there for a reason
Fire boi would grill the krill (@tiny umbra forgive me😧)
SKY BOT IS SENTIENT
ngl that's probably the creepiest skybot message i've ever seen
It's alex , he's in trouble 
We gotta rescue Alex, I think the krills got him captive
alex was trapped in seraph’s basement once...

Didnt know Alex had such bad time as basement victim
Skybot react to this message if you need help
I will call the police for you
what do we do? we are but small skykids
Is
Or
Was-
Whose basement was it 
Is seraph’s basement hell ???
it was seraph's basement which is in eden
don’t call the police, call the Jarvis!
I’m gonna have to intervene
FIGHT DA KRILLS
FBI! OPEN UP!
wait what thatskyrock that's why it want to go for vacation to sanctuary
I can't decide if skybot is chaotic, crazy or evil 
alex lurking in the chat: 
i'm just waiting for an explanation lol 
pspspsp thatskyrock
How many more hours for prophecy??!!! Oh yesssss
No joke I can't even sleep because of the excitement
Does anyone know of these capes will remain as stiff and rigid as they are in beta?
What do you mean?
skybot??? SKYBOT WHERE DID YOUR BEANS GO
something is not right where are the beans
i kind of like the rigidness. gives it the feel of a thicker fabric
What will I tell the angry children? Apparently some of them are upset about the beta testers because of the bug in sanc right now.
It does that's why I'm wondering, I think that's the ancient feel they're going for.
this is beta, beta is where bugs lives and annoy sky kids
Bugs will be there until devs find a way. Need to be patient
Upset about the Beta testers?
WH... HOW DID I GET HERE? Where was I? How much time has passed?
you're out of the basement!
a-alex??
It is 0202 welcome back!
alex honk twice if skybot had something to do with the kidnapping
wake up Alexdolly 
I don’t know anything about coding and programming so I don’t know why beta bugs make it to the Live version. They’re so loud about the sanc bug 
let them be, the bugs will be fixed. I don't get why they are getting mad at beta tester
Go to Sanctuary Island with friend, you will be John Cena.
Oh it's just part of the fun of the game, they'll get over it.. make some pretty funny memories too I bet
Bugs exist in all software. TGC is a small team, with a very big game. It's complex, and fixing one thing sometimes breaks nine other things.
@little hound just point them to the #beta-bugs-ios and #beta-bugs-android and tell them but they found the bugs!
Why’re they mad at beta testers then 😦
It just makes me sad that Sky doesn’t even have ads and these kids are so quick to react.
Go to Sanctuary Island, you will find a ghost skykid honking outside the barrie
Wait- why are live players getting mad?
Haunted vacation, that’s just hotel Transylvania 3
They’re mad at beta testers because they think we’re not doing our jobs 
i tried reaching that ghost sky kid because it was where my friends were and... i flied around sanctuary for a good 20 minutes trying to reach beyond the barrier
anyone who's mad, go get some mango sorbet and enjoy it. I'll pay if I manage to meet you at the ice cream store
I recognize that store... see you soon 
But mr. Alex what about social distancing
Mango sorbet...or a Nutella covered banana
Stay 6 crabs apart when getting your ice cream with Alex
idk they made sleepy shop keeper boat into ice cream store for the end of summer 
dangit. i want me some mango sorbet
Oh! I’ll be sure to tell them that @orchid nexus thanks!
Maybe they think that fixing a bug warrants a lifetime of being fixed. They don’t know the dark side of it.
just put a wind barrier every few metres and you're very safe
@little hound Don't take it personally. We have reported a lot of bugs in sanctuary. Sometimes TGC fixes it but causes other bugs or sometimes the larger live server can't handle it
sometimes bugs don't even appear in testing... I know that sounds crazy, but the scale of this game is immense and some things just can't be simulated in testing
Oh I have no issues about the sanc being buggy and all because that’s how it is. My issue is, I don’t know how to explain it to the litol group of angry children complaining about the bug. 
coding feels like your brain is melting and there is steam everywhere and you have no idea what is going on OHGODOHMYWHAT
Sky is life and life is buggy 
i heard that live players are angry at the beta players.? Is this true? If so, can anybody explain? Im really confused
Lol guys there;s a random weird half of a gate in isle in live
but it’s not there in beta
Oh like you’re fixing a flat tire and you don’t know where the air is coming out from?
hi Lyze is lurking

@little hound just tell them to wait
endonover, prophect has not been release in live yet so there is a gate. It is normal all live players should see it
Lol guys there;s a random weird half of a gate in isle in live
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but it’s not there in beta
@rain delta Yeah, that's a weird one. I saw the gate last night, but my wife didn't. Not sure why.
forest elder was just a bit more angry than usual over in live perhaps and threw down the door
It's a warning of what's to come....
hi Lyze is lurking
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@little hound just tell them to wait
endonover, prophect has not been release in live yet so there is a gate
@serene fern Not that kind of gate. Big metal mesh thing, like the ones at the start of the races in Valley.
slowmode check
oh 
Xehrebec’s talking about the one at the butterfly pond
oooo that gate is a bug i believe, only half of the gate lol (i actually like it
@edenover I saw it too, so odd
@grave jetty hello
please don’t quote posts with another mention 
Hello Is the chaos over
Guys i finally made it.... i did air trial run
edit: +without checkpoint 
Xehrebec’s talking about the one at the butterfly pond
@tiny umbra Butterfly Pond? When I saw it, it was right at the start, just ocer the first hill but before the tunnel. Haven't been able to reproduce it since.
Oh? Saw a screenshot of it from over there thou, maybe it’s ever moving 👁️
Fae door
Yea that’s where I saw it too, at the beginning of while the location where you get dropped as Aurora starts to sing
Did you guys have this emote
? Or many beta player didn't have it
I don't have that 
I just saw someone use the new season emotes dkfjdjsj did they glitch in or something?? like how- they ran off but what?
yea it was live
got it on the first day of new wave, so many moth in prairie
Has the fire spirit been implemented? I haven’t checked in the past couple of days 😔
I will!!! Thanks for the info!!!!!
Go say hi to big fire kat
I saw some content creators do manage to glitch in with pics of them and the spirits, so yep. Maybe you can
It took a while to get it for me, but I think I got
pretty early in sanct beta as well
Has anyone managed to get to those candles in the middle of the water trial? I've been trying for a while haha
I saw some content creators do manage to glitch in with pics of them and the spirits, so yep. Maybe you can
but like, chill out ppl just a few more days
it took me a few weeks to get enough people during belonging beta, but it was possible. probably because all the android testers were pretty active then 
@neat river do it after you get the immunity
Ohh I see thanks
Underwater season? OwO
Season of Despair
Vault underwater season I would like to see it
Flood the archives I wanna see spirit struggle
ooo
OOOH FLOODED ARCHIVES YESS
Might be good if the next season will be on Valley. Since it will be winter when Prophecy ends.
I hope the home ice rink comes back
How long will the season of prophecy last?
It would be nice if the ice rink became an annual thing like Halloween
Verynotme, hard to say, but the default is 70 days
beta players don't know how long the season will last. our season is usually much shorter than in live. i would expect at least 2 months
@serene fern you can't just simply glitch inside, it's called hacking and it's not allowed to be mentioned or discussed here
Why do they remove the circle from the high candle emote
it makes me happy😔
that was removed months ago I think 
Afaik, it was never mention on why they removed it. I might be wrong tho. But, ngl. I too miss the special effect on

/is about to explain the essence of beta testing to bunch of kids who are saying we are useless/
I wanna squeeze the new pants for no reason. They look FLUFFY
Quick questions, hava anyone made any charts for The New Season?
I know it's a long time ago....i just miss that circle😭
some people have made charts, but we were discouraged to share them before the season starts, as they can be inaccurate.
Yes, but it shouldn't be posted yet. As the season is technically speaking, still not on full swing. And may be inaccurate.
Maybe because it can give a wrong signal because the circle was only meant for spirits and wl
Wait, did the circle removed?
What circle?
Ohh. Wait, they did?
I See I Just wish to Have the spirits and uhh Candle locations
that's all
No need guides
Do you guys think they revamped the earth prophet cape?
I See I Just wish to Have the spirits and uhh Candle locations
that's all
No need guides
@fast flare The spirits are easy to find. They are literally located at the entry of each of their caves
oh is everyone sneeping
Maybr
in live?
report the player
GW?
krill the impatient 
Ah
smartttttttt
I explained to them that the music and the animation of the memories of the prophets are beautiful. And that they should wait for the actual season opening to enjoy it to the fullest.
The new area for the prophecy season hasn’t been released yet. Discussing being there and getting there is considered an exploit. Please don’t discuss it here
Above comment is for live specifically. 
I just relived the spirit in the office and it says the go to the elder’s temple... where is it?
are they discussing it in live?
edit: i got lost again, i was looking for live sky discussion when its actually general sky discussion 
I think it's referring to about entering the cave in ||love|| Live
I thought it was maybe eden so I’m scratching my head right now
I just relived the spirit in the office and it says the go to the elder’s temple... where is it?
@ember oriole oh are the office spirits different during halloween event? 👀
Not sure,,,, but this spirit had the demon mask, same as the regular one rn
hey guys, how can we play Sky Beta on IOS
I installed TestFlight but I don't know how to use
I think it's normal that some of them say that, they are just for fun tho so it doesn't mean anything
excuse me anyone know the location of season candle today?
i just got 3
thank you> @pulsar belfry 2 of them are in social space, one near the benches one at outfit shrines, and to on ice rink but on that bridgy like thing which leads to citadel portal
@atomic vortex
excuse me anyone know the location of season candle today?
i just got 3
@pulsar belfry 2 are at the social area, the other 2 on the stage in the middle of the ice rink
edit: jinx 
hello..?