#beta-discussion

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worldly gyro
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Yes please

stoic ocean
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No. They recently opened a ton for Android players but haven’t opened iOS beta in a long while.

worldly gyro
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Oh

empty river
worldly gyro
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Alright

stoic ocean
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It’s first come first serve so pay attn

worldly gyro
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Do you know the next wave for android?

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Ok

topaz holly
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I was lucky to get it before light seekers

rigid radish
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Has the new season officially appeared?

worldly gyro
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No

topaz holly
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No

stoic ocean
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Sorry no. Android should be coming out this month in live though

worldly gyro
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Only in beta

empty river
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oh android just got a big wave a few weeks ago so probably no wave for android for a long time

worldly gyro
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Alright

icy cipher
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hello

worldly gyro
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HECK

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Hi

icy cipher
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woa

rigid radish
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When will it officially launch?

stoic ocean
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There has usually been a 2 week (ish) window between seasons

icy cipher
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not sure

worldly gyro
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I wish I could time skip

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The new season looks 🔥

stoic ocean
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It’s epic imo

worldly gyro
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I want that mask SO bad

rigid radish
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But the rhythm season is over ... and shouldn't you show up?

stoic ocean
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No

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We’re still in the testing phase and like I said before. There is usually a 2 week ish downtime window between seasons

topaz holly
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^

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But that means more traveling spirits

stoic ocean
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Yup

topaz holly
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Maybe I’ll finally get the rabbit mask

stoic ocean
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I want that mask too

worldly gyro
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I sadly missed my chance to get the guitar 😢

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There’s a crab call?!?

stoic ocean
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Yup

worldly gyro
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WHAT?!?

stoic ocean
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Null- how do you know which is coming next?

worldly gyro
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When??

stoic ocean
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April 9 is the next traveling spirit

worldly gyro
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Oh right lol

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👀

stoic ocean
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Ahh ... I wouldn’t go spreading that around

quaint onyx
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SkyLOL Don't worry, it wrong already

spark lance
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Cof cof, maybe*

stoic ocean
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Hahaha

proven trout
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@spark lance discussing hacks and hackers is against the server rules. dont share anything like that in the future

worldly gyro
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Yikes

spark lance
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Am I discussing hacks and hackers?

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I just speculated the spirit that could come

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maybe I'm wrong, maybe not

stoic ocean
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Smile- just back away from that all together my friend

worldly gyro
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o k

proven trout
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again, discussing it is against the rules - let’s please move on

worldly gyro
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o k a y

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So uh

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Any more spoilers?

empty river
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hmm

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pretty capes?

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ooo layered capes :>

storm vessel
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Hopefully android comes out in time for the new season

tardy dove
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can confirm capes are pretty

stoic ocean
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Pretty

topaz holly
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The layered capes are stunning

storm vessel
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Wizardry

stoic ocean
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I love the layered capes. Omg

empty river
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also big pigtails :>

boreal trench
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How come when me and my friend are at the same place, I can't see her?

stoic ocean
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My fav!

topaz holly
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Yes

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Big pigtails

worldly gyro
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How many layered capes??

stoic ocean
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2

boreal trench
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Is it because of different server? If so, can I get to her?

worldly gyro
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OwO

storm vessel
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Just teleport to her

stoic ocean
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And 2 standard - 1 with tassels

topaz holly
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This has the capes

empty river
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and 2 not layered capes as well pEyes

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cool capes 11/10

worldly gyro
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OML

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g r a b

stoic ocean
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I love the wizard hat too.

worldly gyro
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Same

topaz holly
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I want the pigtails and lighter layered cape

stoic ocean
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Wish I could@wear the wizard hat with the floppy pig tails

boreal trench
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It says she is not online

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Even though she is playing right next to me irl

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😅

stoic ocean
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Both in beta?

boreal trench
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Yep

worldly gyro
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The pigtails thooo

storm vessel
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try reload the game

boreal trench
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Ok

storm vessel
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maybe you are on different version? have you both updated?

worldly gyro
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Wait so In the new season is there like a new area?

storm vessel
boreal trench
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Yes

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We both up to date

stoic ocean
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Yuppers

boreal trench
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With the latest version

empty river
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yea you take the small boat to go to the big boat

stoic ocean
worldly gyro
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More spoilers?

stoic ocean
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There’s lights

final lance
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Also new location

worldly gyro
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Wym lights?

storm vessel
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You smile when new season arrive.

worldly gyro
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Yeah got the new location down

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U right

stoic ocean
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Have you seen the location though? There’s a bunch of pics in the pics and vids

worldly gyro
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Yes

boreal trench
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It still says she isn't online, we went in the app the same time

worldly gyro
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Wasteland right?

stoic ocean
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The lights are colored and bring life back to the big ship

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Yes

worldly gyro
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WOAH

stoic ocean
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Back to pics. I’ll post

final lance
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Technically bringing positive theme in wasteland

worldly gyro
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I hate spoilers cause they make me feel sad but I love them because they give me something to look forward to and I don’t know how to feel about that 😭

finite pumice
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Is this a bug to report?

worldly gyro
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Hmmm

worn field
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i’d say yes, since you can walk through them

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i saw a similar message a while ago about capeless players you could walk through. something funny seems to be going on

sterile plinth
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TIL I have to unlock fight emote for the second time thanks to rearrangement even though I have already unlocked it lol

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Seems like a bug to me ngl

woeful carbon
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How does one join beta

gilded parrotBOT
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The iOS and Android betas are full at the moment, @woeful carbon. To join future beta invite waves, watch for announcements in #beta-announcements! Give yourself the beta role here by tapping the CapeTGCBlue in #rules to be notified of important updates.

stoic ocean
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That’s funny. One of mine got rearranged but I didn’t have to get it twice. I was able to continue on

worldly gyro
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What’s this fight emote?

empty river
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i really wonder if lvl 3 and 4 playfight was just a placeholder

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yea its very cute!

stoic ocean
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A new emote smile. It’s great

sterile plinth
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Yis

worldly gyro
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👀

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Do you have to unlock with a spirit?

empty river
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you get lvl 1 free

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you need the spirit (and the pass?) for lvl 2

worldly gyro
stoic ocean
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It’s like all the other spirit emotes we’ve been getting

worldly gyro
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g r a b

stoic ocean
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In terms of “buying “

final lance
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theory time... (I'm guessing) [also add somethin]
the forest orb will bring green trees
the vault orb will bring atmosphere, star, or constellation in sky

worn field
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what does level 2 playfight do?

sterile plinth
stoic ocean
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Do you think we’ll get access to all spirits at once or piece-meal?

sterile plinth
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It's probably a bug

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I just unlocked the mask thingo before it and I thought I was gonna have fight lvl 1 but no

empty river
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lvl 2 playfight has a different animation but i dont exactly remember the difference jsjsj

sterile plinth
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It displays that I have fight lvl 2 tho

stoic ocean
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Doesn’t it just add some light?

worldly gyro
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It looks like the play fight is going to be cute

stoic ocean
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I thought lvl 3 had the extra animation

empty river
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the skykid who gets playpunched doesnt look dissapointed anymore that i remember

worn field
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i wish we could see what it looks like from the spirit preview

left sparrow
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Ahaha

empty river
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i'll see if i have a video brb

worn field
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to beta-feedback i gooo

sterile plinth
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It's probably not worth reporting since this rearrangement is gonna be live from the start in Live

stoic ocean
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Yeah that did bug me. I kept seeing the back of the spirits

empty river
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oo my friend recorded a video we are blessed gimme a sec

stoic ocean
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I have a recording too, but it’s 1 minute long

empty river
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i,,,dont know how to download videos from discord stickerGloomy

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nvm i figured it out :))

worn field
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this has been an emotional rollercoaster

stoic ocean
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How so Joshur

empty river
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posted SkyFaint

stoic ocean
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Yay!

worn field
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yay SkyTada

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Fallyn a rollercoaster because i went from curious to resigned to hopeful to sad to excited

stoic ocean
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Awww

worn field
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i love the playfight stickerPlease

sly current
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Looks like the translation feature works now!

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Really great- having fun talking to international buddies

spark lance
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Can iOS players still get the Beta cape?

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???

lunar zealot
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!betareward

gilded parrotBOT
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The Beta Cape was a one-time reward for the testing period prior to the iOS global launch. A future reward is not planned.

spark lance
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Awww😔

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I wanted to get to the office😔

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Welp, cya

short gale
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You can still get into || the office || you just have to pay for a || founders cape ||

blazing sail
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It wouldn’t be smart on the devs’ part to give new beta players the cape. When it was initially given, people didn’t know they would get anything for participating in the beta.

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If they gave it now, some people would join just to get the cape.

random gull
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I joined beta so I could create bugs XD [totally made a manta glitch out in eden]

rare birch
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True, since beta is for testing the game and upcoming updates and to catch some bugs

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It’s just not fair to give the beta cape specifically for players in Beta Sky now

random gull
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is there a way for me to like look up my own bug reports without scrolling endlessly in that channel? cuz sometimes I forget to submit one and don't wanna submit the same stuff twice x.x

rare birch
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What kind of bug reports specifically? Beta bugs?

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Oh i know

random gull
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yeah. I remembered that I had a screenshot of questgiver being tilted but wanna not submitt hat if I already submitted it

rare birch
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If it’s in beta feedback you have 0.5 seconds to see your suggestion

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So you can’t edit the comment

icy falcon
rare birch
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@random gull

random gull
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thank you Snu!

icy falcon
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or ios if you're ios lol

rare birch
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Just don’t go onto the live bug reports

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Of course

random gull
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I honestly don't think I've submitted any bug reports in live o.o but looks like I didn't bug report my tilted questgiver pic yet so I better do that XD

rare birch
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Just tap on the flame icon below and skybot will pm you the details to submit the bug

lofty jay
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man i would love to take a part in android beta.. cant wait for android releass

random gull
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it will be out this month sometime for android!

blazing sail
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I swear I just saw the blue light while I was still sliding down the mountain

random gull
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😮 that's interesting!

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I know during the races right now when the sun goes behind the clouds it turns into a green circle. I see that same green in live too and it's been bug reported a lot XD

lofty jay
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just one concern i've played both latest beta(just the first level cant download rest) and original android relese using vpn.. for some reason beta resolution is way better than the other one.. hope i get good resolution support in final release.. 😅

gilded parrotBOT
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Using a vpn is not recommended or supported by TGC. Please don't recommend, discuss, or seek help with VPNs in this server

random gull
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I'm really impressed with skybot 😮 it sees a keyword and is on that real fast

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oh I wonder if it does this outside of general channel: sneep

worn field
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i think sneep snorp got turned off

blazing sail
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Unlocking stuff in beta with 11 candles per day feels slow so I’m gonna be going crazy with only 5 per day in live

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Tho losing 30 candles to the reshuffle didn’t help 😬

spark lance
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Oof

worn field
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with all the spoilers that keep popping up in general channels, i feel like maybe beta channels should have their own separate discord server. idk if it would be worth it tho. might be harder to manage having 2 discord servers.

kindred fossil
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dunno how a separate server would solve this though, its still going to seep into general

worn field
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i think it would help, people from this server would be less likely to wander into these channels to see what's up. it definitely wouldn't completely stop spoilers popping up though, you're right.

blazing sail
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Do people have that much trouble keeping beta to beta?

worn field
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there's enough people that aren't aware that we keep beta in beta channels

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they usually are ok with after we explain

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but by then it's too late

final lance
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if the last cutscene isn't finished (yet), will the season come longer than usual?

worn field
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you mean like, if you were watching the season finale cutscene as the season ended?

final lance
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no i mean. is the final cutscene for this season hasn't finished yet (idk what words to put)

arctic pecan
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Hmm i don’t think so since TGC still has to work on the next light in the Ark

blazing sail
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Longer how?

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The season just began

final lance
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soon in live

blazing sail
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They have plenty of time in beta to make a cutscene

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Oh I forgot there are crazy people who buy enough candles to get everything on day 1

arctic pecan
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yeh

blazing sail
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Maybe the cutscene will be connected to the ark and not to the cosmetics?

arctic pecan
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Hopefully!! That’ll be lovely tbh

worn field
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i'd guess they'd leave off releasing the season until everything was up to a standard they were ok with

final lance
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mmm alright then/ cEllieSkyHeart

blazing sail
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Would probably make more sense than having only pass holders see the cutscene and having some folks see it on day 1

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I always found it a bit odd that players without the pass couldn’t see the ending

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Maybe I’ll put this in suggestions/feedback

arctic pecan
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good idea ^u^

blazing sail
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Ummm how long is the timer in the feedback channel? I just had to wait to send feedback just now even tho I haven’t sent any today yet.

empty river
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probably a discord bug

blazing sail
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Ah

empty river
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I believe it's like, way less than an hour or smth

blazing sail
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I hope I didn’t send feedback and then forgot I did. I’m not that old. 😰

worn field
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the cooldown is 15 minutes i thought

blazing sail
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Yes now it has a 15 min countdown

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But I dunno why it was counting down if I didn’t leave any feedback today

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Anywayyyyyy

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I feel bad for the Cyan light that’s not gonna get any daily quests like its friends. Assuming they keep the lights in sync with the quests

worn field
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i'm ok with it. in the end the cyan light still ties in nicely to the story/ark-progression, and the rest of the lights help shake up the daily quests that we've gotten so used to

blazing sail
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I still wish we could have Isle quests/candles

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The place has gotten some expansions since its early days

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More places to explore

arctic pecan
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pEyes perhaps using the cave that has been left from the Lightseeker season?

blazing sail
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Yes

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Exactly

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And the belonging cave

arctic pecan
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stickerShiny perfect for lore!

random gull
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they did change isle up a little with the recent updates. one of the wing lights got moved and the tutorial is different

worn field
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i can understand if they're trying to prevent new moths from being confused by all the old players bouncing through, speeding through quests
i wanna know more about that lightseeker's cave tho

random gull
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I still zoom through isle way too fast getting my wings back though XD haven't properly explored it since taking the actual tutorial

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I learned to bring my chat table when I solo Isle to get wings because the baby moths who do go that way don't quite understand the puzzles yet and devs made it so two players are involved in literally every step of the puzzle now stickerShock

worn field
bold tree
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I shall wait for the day where they open more slots for iOS

sterile plinth
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@icy falcon wait, Snu, is that you? PogU

icy falcon
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owo

spark lance
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o.o

dire escarp
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Has anyone found the inactive green light flying around birdsnest?
I've tried flying around there a few times now, and it's either crash landed on the butterfly fields exit island, or not anywhere as far as I can see?

livid ice
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Is kinda glitched

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Sometimes it appears sitting still

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At the beginning

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Near where the dancing winter emotes was

dire escarp
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I entered there a few minutes ago and it wasn't there, but after collecting candles it appeared, making me think it was maybe triggered?

livid ice
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Could be

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Same happened to me

dire escarp
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@livid ice yeah that's where I meant, where you come in from butterfly fields.

livid ice
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Yes

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I meant ,it appears exactly in the place where dancing emote was

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For me

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Same spot sitting still

dire escarp
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I did see it fly in and land there once, but didn't see where it had flown from

livid ice
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Kinda odd since other lights don’t need to be triggered

dire escarp
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It'd make a nice mechanic, if you had to light something to release the light

livid ice
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Yep

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Sadly isn’t like that

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Maybe suggest it in betta feedback not a bad idea

dire escarp
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Yeah, thought not. Good idea.

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Suggestion written up 😃

boreal rapids
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Is that possible that we can have a invisible cape by using 999❤️ in normal service not beta?

worn field
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it's possible, but we have no way of knowing if or when that will happen.

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we've been told that for now it's just a beta easter-egg, something designers threw in as a bit of a joke haha oreoheart

boreal rapids
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😂

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I’ll patiently wait then

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Haha

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Thanks for let known Joshua

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Joshur

worn field
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happy to help! stickerHeart

vapid briar
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The green light isn't glitched and is 100% working as intended, but we are making some adjustments in the next build since so many of you have reported it as broken it's evident the design isn't being clearly communicated.

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The invisible cape isn't coming to Live any time soon, if ever.

hollow compass
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Ah. Yes, there were a few things that were confusing. Good to have confirmation. (Re the light.)

livid ice
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But sometimes it doesn’t appear ?

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Is that how is supposed to be?

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Because all the others are flying around

minor robin
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I noticed forest’s light burrows underground, maybe it’s meant to play peekaboo

livid ice
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Green is the only one that is different in that aspect

vapid briar
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The hint text is "A gift to the earth from the sky" it is supposed to 'crash' into the ground.

livid ice
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... first time I went inside ,it wasn’t anywhere not floating ,not on the ground ,anywhere ,so we have to trigger it first?

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It appeared as soon as I went forward to the second floating island to the really back

vapid briar
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I'm intentionally being vague about this one because your unbiased impressions are super important.

livid ice
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:0

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I think is cool if at the end appears

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Whatever it has to do

minor robin
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it kinda lands on the left side of the first dock when you enter thru butterfly fields. I notice it’s in a flowery part too

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sneaky

livid ice
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Right?

minor robin
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I can see more of the connection now, idk maybe have more flowers concentrated in that area could provide a more visual clue

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lol reminds me of that line from a lazy sunday song... “HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO THE GROUND”

livid ice
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To me it appeared where the dancing emote from winter used to be

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But when I first entered the area

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It wasn’t there

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When I was coming back tho

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It appeared

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Like poof

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Magic

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XD

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Maybe giving it time is what it takes

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There’s no loose anyway ,is shiny

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And green

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We’ll see it when it appears

minor robin
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yee, I like how much shinier they are now

livid ice
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Purple is my fav [

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_

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Okay I can’t make that emoji ...

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What kinda bugs me is

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Once we have it

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We can’t see it anymore

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Just gray

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:(

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Which makes sense

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Since we gave it to the spirit

minor robin
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yeah, but stalking it is fun

livid ice
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Maybe once we collect them all we can see them flying around again

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Just maybe

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:”v

vapid briar
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once they've rolled out as the story quest, they'll be added to the daily quest rotation.

livid ice
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Oh nice

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:”D

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Btw when the season first started I thought getting the light was what we had to do to get the seasonal hearts this season SkyLOL

vapid briar
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since everything is compressed for testing, it's a little more tricky to discern. The light quests are in the daily rotation on beta to ensure they're working so it's all sorts of wonky.

livid ice
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Gotcha :0

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So umm

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My guess is

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The season will be out once Android is out ?

vapid briar
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Soon™️ pSkyPeek

livid ice
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👀✨

minor robin
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huh who was it who said the prairie temple windwall made star #2 harder to get? cause they’re right. walking into that cloud for a boost isnt so fun anymore

clear vapor
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From what season is the next traveling spirit?

worn field
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maybe it’s intentional

livid ice
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No one knows @clear vapor

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Well you can always use the mantas

minor robin
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ttly solo-able tho with cloud bouncing

worn field
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i did feel like i wasn’t really playing the game the way it was meant to be, using those clouds way off to the side

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i like it more if that star is really hard to reach

livid ice
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I always used the cloud to go up

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I haven’t collected stars in a while tho

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So I don’t know :”v

minor robin
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it took me a little bit to figure it out as a moth, before I was teaming up with rando moths and we were honk charging each other to get up level by level ahaha

blazing sail
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So about that green light

minor robin
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flappy moth lyfe

blazing sail
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What’s the starting position?

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Because when it actually showed for me, it was right there in plain view as I entered the area and then crashed to the earth. So I get the crashing is intended

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But when it didn’t show where I expected it to show, isn’t that a bug?

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I saw it the first time I went there when it was part of the ark quest

vapid briar
blazing sail
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And then when it came back as a daily, I only saw it 2/10ish times

minor robin
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maybe when you entered it was an older instance so it was on a different section of its route?

blazing sail
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I saw that message

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I was asking for some clarification

vapid briar
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and i'll reiterate, i'm being vague on purpose and not explaining exactly how it functions.

blazing sail
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Like....it’s easy to follow the path of the other lights by just standing still

livid ice
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XD

blazing sail
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But since this one crashes, it’s hard to tell where it goes before that

livid ice
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The only time I saw it flying was when it was about to “crash”

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But it was really close to crashing

vapid briar
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we'll have some improvements in the next build, i'll check back once that's come out.

livid ice
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And I didn’t see where it was coming from

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It just appeared

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Maybe ... it does come from the sky?

blazing sail
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It’s a meteor?

livid ice
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Like it comes from up and it appears suddenly

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Yes

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?

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Is the only way :”v

spark lance
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Somewhere from the clouds

blazing sail
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It comes from OOB?

livid ice
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Maybe

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Lol

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Maybe it just comes from above

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And that’s all

blazing sail
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Also, Ktjn... maybe I should just check this myself with a friend but if you can answer instead it saves me the trouble...

livid ice
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Lol

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I think ktjn wants to know our confusion to make things clearer next time

blazing sail
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Does the light show in the same place for everyone in the server? Or it resets for each person the second they enter the area?

livid ice
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But if it’s that way coming from the sky it isn’t as confusing

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It should show the same from everyone:0

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I’ll go check now,I’m sure it will be gray

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But

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Is still the green light

blazing sail
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Bc I swear every time I land in the ice rink, the blue light is in the same starting position

livid ice
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Because this one is special apparently

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Each light has a different quote

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Where it should be

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Ktjn said this one comes from the sky

spark lance
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Would love it if the color maintained after collection, or lighten it

livid ice
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And crashes into the ground

blazing sail
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Oof by “same place” I mean exact spot within its path

livid ice
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Ktjn said color will be added when the quest is catching that specific light

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Is the same patch for green light then?

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Comes from sky

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Crashes into the ground

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That’s its path

spark lance
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Really? Cool

blazing sail
#

Do we all see it in the exact same spot or like, can I be looking at it and see the blue light under the ice, while someone else sees it above?

livid ice
#

Yep

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Same spot

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Where the dancing winter emote used to be

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Standing still

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When it crashes of course

worn field
#

i don’t think we’re getting anymore info on the lights out of Ktjn than we already have (for now)

blazing sail
#

I kinda wanna just test this now

worn field
#

on an unrelated note,
Ktjn, if you have a moment, i was wondering, is it worth me submitting a bug report for something if i know someone else has already reported the same bug?

blazing sail
#

I went to the rink again and it started in the same spot so I kind of think we all have our own personal instance of the light

spark lance
#

Most probably

livid ice
#

The green is a different light

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All lights have a different quote like it was said before

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The green is a special one

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That’s why we are not getting more info

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Than what we have

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About that one specifically

wispy sigil
#

Hey I’m kind of new to this game, but I just got it on ios but I was wondering if there is any room open in beta for my friend?

blazing sail
#

Bc of the Green’s behavior I’m even more inclined to believe we each have our own instance

random gull
#

the catch the light quests with the yellow orb it stays lit after you catch it so it would be nice if the season lights stayed lit. They are so pretty and I love them and almost don't want to collect just so I can keep seeing the pretty

blazing sail
#

Otherwise people would just spawn with the green light on the ground

vapid briar
#

I'll have to double check some details, some adjustments went in over the weekend that I have not synced with the designer and engineer that made those changes.

spark lance
#

Natasha
!betafaq

worn field
#

skybot ded

random gull
#

aw poor skybot D:

wispy sigil
#

Thanks

spark lance
#

Oh pEyes

worn field
#

To join future beta invite waves, watch for announcements in #beta-announcements! Give yourself the beta role here by tapping the CapeTGCBlue in #rules to be notified of important updates.
This command is for informational purposes only and not a replacement for beta slot alerts.

livid ice
#

Oh nice

random gull
#

ah copy paste is way faster than typing it out XD got me beat

worn field
#

zoomzoom

livid ice
#

Joshur,they’re gonna rename you the new Skybot

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XD

spark lance
#

Yeah

worn field
#

maybe i already am a skybot clone

minor robin
#

natasha: beta and live do not have cross play, and beta’s data could be wiped (there will be a heads up notice), android will go live sometime in april so... your friend would probably have a better time waiting for that release instead

livid ice
#

👀

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Android will be soon out since it’s April

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Oh app btw I think the light just comes down and crashes really fast everyone would see it almost at the same time on their own screens

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That’s what I think :”v

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Im not sure

wispy sigil
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Ohh ok thanks for clarifying

minor robin
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beta is also very empty compared to live, and sky being a social game... it’s really boring in beta in comparison

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peeps make the game special

lunar zealot
#

Josh, i would say it’s always nice to report a bug, even if someone else did it. Cause it might occur differently for you than for another, and also device and such can play a role pSkyHeart
Plus, maybe you saw something the other didn’t when you got the same bug

spark lance
#

||Beta been wipe out a batch of my friends in the stars|| But still enjoy the testing

blazing sail
#

People join servers at different times tho

wispy sigil
#

Yeah thats true, so there is no specific date when the game will be released on android?

lunar zealot
#

Nope. Just, sometime this April

worn field
#

thanks Em, that makes sense oreoheart

wispy sigil
#

Kk thanks

livid ice
#

Guys

spark lance
#

It's from the clouds alright pEyes

random gull
#

aah thank you! makes more sense seeing it go like that

spark lance
#

Thanks Dae

livid ice
#

Your welcome all :3

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<3

vapid briar
#

seriously though....wait for the next build for green light answers.

timber ridge
#

I went to the rink again and it started in the same spot so I kind of think we all have our own personal instance of the light
@blazing sail weren´t you gonna wait until the new season started to log in?

livid ice
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XD

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Alright Ktjn will do

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Anxiously

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I can’t wait to see the next change,forgotten ark is waiting

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Also ... umm

spark lance
#

Looking forwardTGCThumbsUp

livid ice
#

I was hoping for the big paddles to be solid

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So we can step on them?

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Is it gonna be possible?

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:0

vapid briar
#

Probably not

livid ice
#

Awe :”/

vapid briar
#

The reason is that area is phased to the individual player's progression. so if you are progressed through the green light and your friend is still on the first light (red) it would be weird for your friend to see you sitting on something that isn't there for them. So there is intentionally no collision for the oars.

livid ice
#

Makes sense but still awe

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XD

spark lance
#

It's logical

livid ice
#

Well is not logical goin through a big paddle either

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:”v

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Unless is a ghost ship

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That would make sense

vapid briar
#

they are Spirits after all pThink

livid ice
#

Right xD

#

That’s what I thought

vapid briar
#

There's this neat concept called suspension of disbelief.

vapid drum
#

I’m I right in assuming that the green light only spawns in a full 8 player server ??

livid ice
#

No

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You can be alone and it appears

vapid briar
#

green light has nothing to do with how full the server is.

livid ice
#

I just posted a video

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;”v

spark lance
#

Yeap

vapid drum
#

Ok

spark lance
#

So about the friends connectivity

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I still encounter problems in runs especially at the end of every maps. I believe tgc is working hard on this

livid ice
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I thought a nice fix was going to be added with next updates

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About connectivity

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I thought I read it

#

Somewhere

vapid drum
#

The transition from meatball prairie to the caves is still really bad

livid ice
#

XD

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It does

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If you go fast though

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When you go slowly

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Your friends stay

spark lance
#

The game could just port me to another server out of the blue lmao.. Hoping the next update will save some trouble teleporting to each other

livid ice
#

The server : slow down boi

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Yeah sometimes basically kicks you out to put someone else

spark lance
#

Exactly dae

livid ice
#

It would be nice if your friends gets kicked out with you also

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That would be no issue

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XD

spark lance
#

Either kicks or entering OOBs

vapid briar
#

So in terms of your friend poofing in the middle of a server should be like... >95% resolved, this was rolled out to beta and live and has been working incredibly well since some time last week.

Friends poofing on a load screen from one area to the next, I'm not sure but i can definitely boop the engineers and find out more.

astral surge
#

boop

livid ice
#

Oh nice ,I mean the biggest issue sky has is this

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Since

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The game doesn’t crash anymore

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At least not for me

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At all

astral surge
#

and the prt where you load into an area and lose a friend is the only thing i've ever had a problem with. i rarely lose anyone in the middle of an area anymore

runic pendant
#

me and some friends figured out that when the other poofs, we start spamming our call and it usually brings us back together, but yeah still annoying that sometimes it'll happen so much

livid ice
#

Sometimes it does

lunar zealot
#

Friend poofing has not happened to me since the new build came, if it did it was poor internet on the other part. Feels great SkyTada

livid ice
#

I think servers know when we call

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And they change

#

But is a really rare possibility to happen to everyone at the time

astral surge
#

i mean now that i think of it it may have been connection issues since it only happens to me and one certain friend

livid ice
#

It used to happen to all my friends

blazing sail
#

I’m still confused about how the green light not showing wouldn’t be a bug but I’ll try to stop wondering and wait for the update.

livid ice
#

It will show

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Giving time is the key

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XD

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Maybe it takes a little time to appear at the end always appear

blazing sail
#

But my theory is that when you enter the area, the light spawns at its starting point

#

It kind of has to

livid ice
#

Yeah

blazing sail
#

Otherwise some people would just see it on the ground when they enter

livid ice
#

Maybe the time falling varies

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Sometimes quicker sometimes slower

blazing sail
#

So if i enter and see it immediately where I expect it to spawn, how is it not a bug that the next time I enter it’s not there?

livid ice
#

One time as quick as I entered it was “crashing” into the floor

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I mean I didn’t really see where it spawns

#

A bug is if isn’t working properly ,which would be not getting it ,if at the end you get it means is working properly

blazing sail
#

It’s a conundrum wrapped in an enigma

#

No I’m saying I only saw it 2/10 times I checked

#

But I also didn’t stick around and wait to see if it would show.

spark lance
#

Does it has to do with telco lines, maybe?

livid ice
#

Try to wait a little next time

#

XD

blazing sail
#

Bc everything tells me it should show in the same place every time you spawn

#

I don’t see how else it could work

#

Once it crashes, does it eventually disappear and start its fall again or it stays down until you leave?

#

God I’m so gonna end up testing all this

spark lance
#

Had you guys seen a thing in Hidden Forest?
I was having a run alone today, and there was nobody and I was about to burn the grass, but it poof into wax before I did

#

It has something to do with friends connectivity too

#

Or porting from one server to another

vivid glacier
#

you got merged into a server where the plants were already burnt

livid ice
#

Well I -

spark lance
#

Yeah like what you said

livid ice
#

I went inside the bird nest

spark lance
#

Merged

livid ice
#

Two times

#

Right now

#

And the light didn’t appear

#

Nor flying

#

Not on the floor

#

Just no green light

#

Well ,green gray light I should’ve said

spark lance
#

Light green ray :v

vapid drum
spark lance
#

And another
Crabbies went aggros when you use a manta shout?

#

I hope this is not intended

livid ice
#

I went in again

#

It took

#

2 mins

#

To appear

#

So yeah

#

Maybe it takes some time to appear sometimes

blazing sail
#

But how is that working as intended? 🤔

spark lance
#

I got a little minigame with some friends few days ago at shipwreck. Collected all the crabs in one place. Then I shouted and they all triggered all at once to attack my buddy

vapid drum
#

Wow , there’s a cape in the store

spark lance
#

By logic it shouldn't be

vapid drum
#

Green one

#

Earth cape ???

spark lance
#

Wait what? Earth cape?

vapid drum
#

Posted a pic

#

Love the little leaves at the back 😍

kindred bluff
#

whats the price? :0

#

@vapid drum

vapid briar
#

there are two types of crabs

blazing sail
#

Nice. $5 is reasonable and you plant a tree

#

(Please don’t raise it to $10 for live 😅)

vapid briar
#

There's no plan to, but even if we did, the proceeds would be directed toward the charity.

blazing sail
#

Also appreciate it’s a color we’ve never seen before

#

So 100% of the proceeds go to charity?

#

That’s not clear from the message

spark lance
#

It's green now, green light, green cape, green green

blazing sail
#

If that’s true, advertise it loud and clear!

empty river
#

Greeen stickerPlease cEllieSkyHeart

blazing sail
#

Oh Earth day is this month. I didn’t realize

empty inlet
#

if it's selling $5, then i assume only 20% is going to the organization?

peak spindle
#

5 tree ?

blazing sail
#

The message just says it plants a tree.

peak spindle
#

Tree

empty inlet
#

idk how onetreeplanted operate but

vapid briar
#

I'm not sure what ratio is going to the charity, i'll check for details.

empty inlet
#

i think you guys should make it clear if the money is not all going to the charity, except 30% that goes to apple

blazing sail
#

I think if it says it plants a tree and that’s what it does, it’s fine

#

I was just responding to Ktjn’s saying that an increase in price would go to the charity

peak spindle
#

🌳

blazing sail
#

Also, didn’t know it’s so cheap to plant a tree

peak spindle
#

We should plant trees more often

empty inlet
#

no i think $1 is part of a tree

#

planting trees is expensive

peak spindle
#

We should still plant trees

empty inlet
#

but i guess tgc is not paying thousands for every $5 players pay

worn field
#

it does say “For each Earth Cape purchased, we will plant a tree in the real world”
i don’t personally know anything about how much it costs to plant a tree though.

vapid briar
#

For any IAP, the platform you purchased it on (aka Google or Apple) takes a % of the amount as a transaction fee. A portion to pay the salary of the designers that created the item itself (engineering, art, etc) and the remainder to charity. That's why you'll usually see something to the effect of "net proceeds to charity" unless specified otherwise.

blazing sail
#

Right but if you increase it from $5 to 10 how would the extra be for charity?

#

I assume it would still be a cut

vapid briar
#

It was a hypothetical answer to your hypothetical question.

I will reiterate, there are ZERO plans to change the price of this item.

spark lance
#

Good answer :v

blazing sail
#

I thought it was black inside but looks like dark green. Even better.

#

I was just joking around btw. Referring to the bat cape going up in price went it went live. 😛

timber ridge
#

🙄

vapid briar
#

That's fair, haha. Though it's not always clear for anyone who might come across the conversation later on. >_<

timber ridge
#

Don´t worry, Ktjn. Time to take @blazing sail for a walk so she lets you work. 🤣

quaint onyx
#

Amazon take anything off the top from iaps?

#

I mean, besides server costs and the lot. Never made a full blown purchase in app before, is it all handled in-game? Or does the respective apple/google pay-box popup appear?

#

Ehh, forget that...
New thing! SkyTada

blazing sail
#

Does Amazon still sell apps?

full rock
#

ill be more happy if there is some candles with the cape stickerShock

blazing sail
#

Nooo don’t suggest that

#

That’s something that probably would force it up in price

#

I rather it be cheap and people buy candles separately if they want to

runic pendant
#

i agree

vapid drum
#

This is a charity cape , I don’t expect for it to come with extras

blazing sail
#

Actually I don’t really know if that would make the price go up so I’ll just reiterate that I would like it not to go up in price. 😬

full rock
#

just say thatpWow

quaint onyx
#

What about one heart?

#

One green heart that floats down from the sky

#

Something poetic in that somewhere

full rock
#

i know they thinked very much to give us a price stickerShy ill respect to it

blazing sail
#

What about a tree planted in the game too

kindred fossil
#

what about a tree? like an in-game tree stickerHAHA

blazing sail
#

Sky overrun by trees

full rock
#

YES PLEASE

kindred fossil
#

jinx

full rock
#

TREE IN GAMEpWow

#

how about a little tree in Forgotten Ark?

quaint onyx
#

Boat tree! SkyPoint

kindred fossil
#

boats are so last season...

blazing sail
#

Oh no I like this idea

kindred fossil
#

its season of trees now

blazing sail
#

Ktjn’s gonna hate us

full rock
quaint onyx
#

Trees dream of becoming boats when they grow up! SkyPoint

empty river
#

I hope the green light adds trees to the ark

blazing sail
#

I wonder if the game could handle everyone planting permanent trees at the ark.

full rock
#

ou my

quaint onyx
#

Tree with tiny boat fruit!

kindred fossil
#

slow down drap SkyFaint

full rock
#

Ark gonna have no sandpWow

quaint onyx
#

Or just tree, still s'coo

empty river
#

Have we ever seen trees with leaves in sky? pEyes

blazing sail
#

I don’t think so

full rock
#

leaves down in the bottom of the tree...pThink

vapid briar
full rock
quaint onyx
#

Boat fruit?

chilly wigeon
#

Will we still be able to go to the ark after the event

empty river
#

Very possible

blazing sail
#

Done

full rock
#

yeastickerShiny

empty river
#

New areas usually don’t get removed after the season is over

chilly wigeon
#

I would just wanna visit it from time to time

kindred fossil
#

a vast area like the ark, i doubt itll go to waste

empty river
#

And ice rink in home doesn’t count >_>

kindred fossil
#

heh, go to waste

full rock
#

my fav place...

#

dont remove..pWow

chilly wigeon
#

What if there was a sukura season with maybe a umbrella some Japanese inspired hair and dresses

#

Long cape

full rock
#

🌸

empty river
#

Would love that to be honest!

worn field
#

long cape please

full rock
#

with this

empty river
kindred bluff
#

rip the ice rink tho

spark lance
#

I would love trees growing at ||The Forgotten Ark||

full rock
#

we can give water everyday

chilly wigeon
#

And maybe some cherry trees at spawn

full rock
#

and see how is workpWow

kindred bluff
#

we only see a full model full grown tree during that one spirit in vault when we get it for the first time :((
(i think)

full rock
#

ah yea i remember it

#

but it had no leaves?stickerHuh

kindred bluff
#

yeahh rip

#

it would be nice to see some trees with little glowing fruits

kindred fossil
#

its a spirit tree

kindred bluff
#

C:

kindred fossil
#

even trees are dead

full rock
kindred fossil
#

😔

spark lance
#

Yeah great idea Kasumi

kindred bluff
#

oh no 😔

worn field
#

maybe trees grow clouds

kindred bluff
#

imagine if forest was full of those treea

spark lance
#

A minigame growing trees for a week

kindred bluff
#

ohh! like in the 8 player elevator in prarie!

chilly wigeon
#

I really wanna draw a long cape but I'm not so good at drawing

kindred bluff
#

theres some biig long trees with clouds

runic pendant
#

I would love a cherry blossom themed season tbh

uncut ivy
#

Question: Is the date supposed to update on the welcome screen in beta? Because it's showing Jan 26th, 2020. derp

empty river
#

Maybe they just don’t update it jsjsjs

empty inlet
#

umm so no?

empty river
#

There’s not really a need to

full rock
#

yea

uncut ivy
#

Mm okie

full rock
empty inlet
#

what's today?
login sky then check the welcome message

full rock
#

Sakura cape..

quaint onyx
#

Man, I remember that date SkyLOL

empty inlet
#

what happend on that day again

full rock
#

idkpWow

quaint onyx
#

Wish I could forget the horrors that were bestowed upon Sky that fateful day SkyCry

spark lance
#

Oof what happened?

full rock
uncut ivy
#

And then the new season- I finished up to the 3rd quest and now it's telling me I have to wait another 34 days until the next quest opens? ;-;

full rock
#

yes

uncut ivy
#

yoiks

full rock
#

waiting

empty river
worn field
#

not big

crisp plinth
#

Yeah it's small

empty inlet
#

it's tiny

empty river
#

Stop GWmercyAngeryBakaCat

worn field
#

i can barely even see it

quaint onyx
#

Oh WAIT! Wasn't that the day Alex was beened?! Has that been a thing this whole time? SkyLOL

uncut ivy
#

Poooooooooooooooooop

empty inlet
#

momory

worn field
#

sorry Giccix

uncut ivy
#

Okay

livid ice
#

So um I wasn’t here when it happened but

full rock
#

👀 👀 👀

livid ice
#

Who told about the shiny boi?

#

:”/

empty river
#

The date Alex was beaned was 24 of January

crisp plinth
#

The earth cape is a much nicer green than the one we have in live imo might actually buy it

empty river
#

So close but not quite 😔

quaint onyx
#

SkyPoint Close enough! I'm counting it

#

That date appears every time, so we never forget

full rock
spark lance
#

!

vapid briar
#

The date Alex was beaned was 24 of January
the best birthday present i could ever hope for >_>

livid ice
#

😂😂😂

worn field
#

pfffffff

spark lance
#

Lol

vapid briar
#

The MOTD being out of whack is 100% my fault. I took over the process from another dev and have not had the opportunity to build out a separate beta schedule.

#

It's a nice-to-have but not essential for beta.

timber ridge
#

That green colour is beautiful. I hope they reuse it to give us some leaf-shaped capes at some point.

blazing sail
#

Didn’t you make leafy cape designs?

timber ridge
#

I did some spring inspired designs, yeah. They were more inspired by the Firebird Suite from Fantasia 2000 than Sky, though.

quaint onyx
#

Dancing broom capes?

#

Oh! Wait! The volcano-y one! With the green chick! SkyPoint

#

That's hot brah SkyHighFive

terse swift
#

And I did this in the wrong chat HHHHH BRB

empty river
dire escarp
#

Hmm #beta-known-issues, I wonder what triggers the green light then, as I have waited some time and it hasn't appeared, and only seems to appear after lighting some candles, but I've also tried lighting each set individually, and it hasn't triggered.

#

The clue was

The fable is that they are gifts to the earth from the sky.

#

The hint text is "A gift to the earth from the sky" it is supposed to 'crash' into the ground.
Ktjn

Ah so it is supposed to stop in the ground, but what causes it to start coming down?

turbid shoal
#

I saw there was a green cape toy could purchase in beta I was wondering if it’s coming to live?

vapid briar
#

Ktjn

Ah so it is supposed to stop in the ground, but what causes it to start coming down?
patience

dire escarp
#

I shall sit and wait

#

... You literally said that, I swapped back into the game and it started coming down
WHAT IS THIS MAGIC? pSquint

vapid briar
rigid radish
#

Hi guys

#

From which season will the next traveling spirit enter?

dire escarp
#

Seems to be about 7 minutes

empty river
#

we dont know mario

dire escarp
#

@rigid radish possibly Belonging, that's the most recent one in beta, but may still be different in live

rigid radish
#

Thank u 🤪

empty river
#

the belonging one already appeared in live tho

rigid radish
#

Well it doesn't appear on 9 data??

empty river
#

we dont get traveling spirits before the they come out in live if thats what you mean

rigid radish
#

It was last season of Belonging

lusty light
#

Traveling spirits are hard coded to be random, there is no way to predict what the next spirit will be

tough quest
#

Is there a limit for how soon seasons return or is it possible just after they end?

quick oriole
#

Seasons don’t return

shadow minnow
#

were there ever candle packs in the beta shop?

quaint onyx
#

AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH

empty inlet
#

nope

quick oriole
#

Candle packs would only appear in the beta shop if the devs make a drastic change to how candle packs work or something

vapid briar
#

@quaint onyx pThink

rare birch
#

Which element is the red light again? I forgot

empty inlet
#

fire?

rare birch
#

The yellow one shown in the picture looks like flames

dire escarp
#

Spiral element

rare birch
#

I doubt red is fire

vale shale
#

woah

rare birch
#

So it’s not really a natural element?

vale shale
#

travelers are actually randomized?

quick oriole
#

Yes

rare birch
#

Yes they are randomized

#

But the area the next traveling spirit will be will depend on the randomized spirit

vale shale
#

is it possible that we could get the first traveler again?

#

or any recent traveler

rare birch
#

I’m not sure

vale shale
#

that would be bad

quick oriole
#

Yes travelers can repeat

rare birch
#

Oh I see

vale shale
#

repeat as in

quick oriole
#

If it’s a truly random system they’re bound to

vale shale
#

this week

rare birch
#

No

#

Most likely not this week

quick oriole
#

Who knows

lusty light
#

There’s a failsafe to make sure the same spirit doesn’t show up twice in a row

#

But otherwise

#

Random

vale shale
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doesn't show up twice in what span of time?

lusty light
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Right after the other

dire escarp
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Psudorandom 😁

rare birch
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Random spirits that didn’t show up as traveling spirit, you mean?

vale shale
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ah ok saw the edit

quick oriole
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It could be this week, but we don’t know if the devs would allow that to happen

lusty light
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Random spirits period

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Traveling spirits won’t just show up once

rare birch
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I see

uncut ivy
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So we lose all progress from beta if we start on droid live, rignt?

empty inlet
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yep

dire escarp
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We could call them Brownian motion spirits SkyWelcome

lusty light
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Would ruin the point of having newer players getting old seasonal things

rare birch
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I guess it will take recent spirits a long time to come back

quick oriole
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They may make all the possible traveling spirits appear before repeats

uncut ivy
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Well fart brudda

quick oriole
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But idk

lusty light
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No it’s random

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Like it could be spirit 1 then spirit 2 and then spirit 1 again

silver torrent
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Hello people

rare birch
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Oh

lusty light
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It’s not a randomized list it has to compete

dire escarp
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OMG it's live

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Android just went live

silver torrent
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What?

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Oh cool!

dark haven
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Its here!!!!!

dire escarp
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Omg

quaint onyx
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Sep 7, 2019, 11:28 PM

April 6, 2020, 8:43 PM

empty river
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draptap!! you are free!!!

quaint onyx
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So long beta SkyTada

quick oriole
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No news before live?

silver torrent
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Haha

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How do you do beta haha I’m new to the game

empty river
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seems like the season's announcement was just a decoy haha SkyLOL

silver torrent
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Haha

empty river
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!betafaq @silver torrent

gilded parrotBOT
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To join future beta invite waves, watch for announcements in #beta-announcements! Give yourself the beta role here by tapping the CapeTGCBlue in #rules to be notified of important updates.
This command is for informational purposes only and not a replacement for beta slot alerts.

silver torrent
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Thank you!!

spark lance
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ITS O U T

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AAAA A

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MY SIDES

vale shale
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oh boy

blazing sail
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What?

livid ice
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Android is out @blazing sail

blazing sail
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Wow

livid ice
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I said the same xD

blazing sail
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No announcement?

livid ice
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Maybe when a lot of people reach it first

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They’ll announce

vapid briar
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android is outpHuh

livid ice
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Umm

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Yes?

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XD

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Wait should I answer no?

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XD

blazing sail
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Wait is this a surprise to you too Ktjn?

vale shale
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apparently the play store sent out notifications

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lots of people should be aware at this point

livid ice
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Maybe we are using inverse psychology

empty inlet
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hugh?

vapid briar
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We're developing for Android? Never heard of it.

empty river
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what android? who is android

empty inlet
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hugh?

vale shale
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why is android?

empty river
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but nobody asks

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hows android

livid ice
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:”v

empty inlet
livid ice
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Yep definitely using reverse psychology

quick oriole
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Ktjn when you said soon I never expected later this day SkyFaint SkyFaint SkyFaint

blazing sail
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I don’t think anyone did

vapid briar
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That's the beauty of the all-powerful Soon™️

livid ice
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Hahahahaha

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What about the season?

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Soon as tomorrow morning?

blazing sail
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Oooh just noticed the updated season artwork.

vale shale
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yo

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android live is on patch 0.9.0 build 148324

quick oriole
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It’s just that normally when devs say soon they mean like “soon as in a couple months from now” not in a few hours. This is so nice SkyBow SkyBow

empty inlet
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android is now the new beta i see

vale shale
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that's actually kinda concerning

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new android moths won't be able to crossplay with ios

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hopefully an ios update is on the way?

livid ice
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Yes

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👀

vapid briar
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ios has been a fair bit slower rolling update out lately. Not much we can do about that.

blazing sail
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Ninja release

livid ice
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Apple is slow isn’t it?

marsh patrol
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Apple is more meticulios

vale shale
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temporary inability for crossplay would be worth noting if an announcement is going out in #news

empty inlet
lusty light
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On god

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It looks the same to me :/

livid ice
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Lol

empty inlet
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new (compare to years ago)

sly current
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Apple and Android updates have a difference

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Apple needs to approve updates and they zip in

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Android zips in but takes a while to download

livid ice
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Android kinda lets anyone put any type of app on the google play store

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And almost all apps are always compatible with whatever type of android is running

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iOS is :”V

sly current
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Usually if things aren’t timed, issues in the phone brands can occur in update

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I’d assume the issue with why android took so long is the many android phones

lusty light
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Andorid is only compatible with 8.1 and up

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And most people can’t even update to 8.0

livid ice
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With sky yes

sly current
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I’d assume it’s sky’s hardware that makes things hard to work with

vapid briar
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that's not entirely accurate. iOS can sit on an approved update for over a week and still roll it out painfully slow. it has nothing to do with how meticulous their review process is.

livid ice
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It means they could mind a lot or not mind at all

sly current
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It’s probably just a matter of “is this update pertaining to the rating or carrying something off”
And a lot of games update at the same time

blazing sail
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So is the ice rink gone on Android’s version? Are they ahead of us?

livid ice
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Yes

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They are

blazing sail
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Poor ice rink

sly current
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The current beta status is probably what android has a smidge of, since beta doesn’t have the rink either

livid ice
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Rip

sly current
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More of quality of life improvement

vapid briar
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A lot of the dev time has been making it compatible with low end and old devices. We could have shipped very quickly if we restricted it to Android 10 and high performance devices only. which would also alienate a very large portion of potential playerbase.

sly current
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That’s what I assumed, androids come in many

vapid briar
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The android list is something like 3000+ unique devices.

livid ice
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Indeed complicated to make a game for Android to be compatible with most devices

empty inlet
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don't even mention android, headache comes

livid ice
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Lol

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I do miss being able to download whatever

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:”/

sly current
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The screen size is a big issue for UI

livid ice
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When I look for games I used to play on the Apple store says my device isn’t compatible ,is only for iPad or the developer needs to upgrade the app

sly current
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Since sky doesn’t block in walls if a screen is too big

blazing sail
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That’s bc of the 32bit purge

sly current
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Coming from someone with an iPhone XR, many games do that

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Even if an android phone wasn’t gotten to, luckily sky is getting console ports

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I’d assume what else it is is servers itself?
Since there is no divider from device nor region

blazing sail
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I see the Android players are finding my guides

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They resorted to guides pretty fast

quick oriole
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Well also you have some of the best guides in the community stickerHeart

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They’re bound to find them

blazing sail
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Aww thanks pAww

livid ice
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But that’s kinda sad though :0

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They’re spoiling themselves and sky story is a one time thing

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Unless they look for em after they finish first time

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Which is a bit too quick?

quick oriole
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I think it depends on the player

livid ice
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True still sad as a whole