beta-discussion

[near locust]

I’m wondering if other beta folks are having trouble with their tables not working properly? I will be seated at my table and I won’t be able to see what another person says at the table if they are not my friend. I’d say this is happening more often than not.

[hollow compass]

I think I've seen others mention it, yes

I don't have a table in beta

[near locust]

K

Got someone accidentally krilled in wasteland last night and wanted to apologize and couldn’t. Feels bad man. 😂

[hollow compass]

oh, oops

[tawny prairie]

I’m having the opposite issue but it’s hit or miss, I can see everything people are saying in beta

it happened a couple days ago but I haven’t updated yet so not sure if it’s fixed

[worn field]

i believe Ktjn said that’s been fixed in the live version (not in beta tho, yet.)

[lunar zealot]

I believe that’s still an ongoing issue in beta, seeing as it hasn’t gotten any updates in a while @tawny prairie

[analog citrus]

Ive been having the table / fire issues in LIVE as well. Often I just see the ....... from people who are sitting that I don't have chat with. So its not just a beta issue.

[worn field]

that’s a different issue. the bug that’s just in beta lets you see what people are saying without unlocking chat or sitting down with them

[vapid drum]

Last update was 6 days ago

[quaint onyx]

So whaddaya want to see in this one?

[lunar zealot]

I noticed that the #beta-feedback channel, when going to view pins, always has a red dot after the change. Despite viewing the pins multiple times

[worn field]

huh it’s doing it for me too

[lavish zinc]

anyone know something about invisible cape🤔

[median idol]

which kingdom/area is sassy stance spirit in

for travellinh spirit

[lavish zinc]

Isle

[median idol]

is it the tunnel on the left side with the boat and 3 glowy orbs

[quaint onyx]

Just walk north past the star on the right hand side

[median idol]

oh oki

thanks

[finite pumice]

From what I'm reading here, beta testing is not working as it used to. I saw a suggestion that beta is only active during the seasons and this sort of fits with what I was seeing before I stopped being an active beta on Sky. Whilst many more slots have been made available, the majority are not really testing; they just want "stuff", and "status". It's a shame. And unfortunately, it's starting to show in the release version, as from what I'm seeing in this last update, there are bugs with several of the new spirits that should have been caught before release. I'm impressed by some of the visual quality changes in this latest update (clouds seem better), but there are still many issues of inconsistency with "flight", spirits not being placed well (the vault seasonal spirit sent me OOB with no controls), lag, and so on.

[lunar zealot]

The seasonal juggle spirit in particular, which is bugged wasn’t bugged in beta though. It came with live release to my understanding. Bugs are often wild and it can be hard to close all loopholes.

[spark lance]

I don't think there's any quantitative or qualitative way for us as players to know what a majority of other players are doing.

It is playtesting and has always been playtesting, so whatever a player's motivation is to be in beta, as long as they're playing, they're testing. Providing bug reports and other feedback is hoped for and appreciated, but not a requirement to be in the beta.

[tawny prairie]

I meant the update that haven’t last week(?)

I haven’t opened TestFlight in a while haha

And when I was testing the season, I didn’t actually have any issues? Other than the one candle bundle behind the wall (which got first so fast!) My juggle spirit never floated, etc

So it’s all different for all the testers

ya I haven’t been home from work enough to open it

[spark lance]

Hope you get a chance to play more soon, corgi

[tawny prairie]

I’ll fit in whenever needed haha

[empty inlet]

i have beta feedback channel focused then every time i switch to sky server i feel like the server is down

[near locust]

I played through as much of the season as possible in beta given the time restraints, and I didn't see those bugs that have occurred in live where the spirits were floating and hard to get to. It just didn't happen to me in beta. And for the record, I do file bug reports and give feedback. Sure there are people in beta who are really unclear on the concept of beta testing (and yes that can be frustrating), but there are also a ton of us who understand a beta tester's purpose and try to live up to those expectations.

[vapid briar]

Peter, I think it's a little disingenuous of your fellow players to say they do not test effectively. We're getting some of the best feedback and bug reports we've ever had. The game and community have grown tremendously and we're forever indebted to the time and attention players donate to make the Live version the best it can be. The issues we're seeing on Live right now were all things that never appeared during beta testing, we're equally frustrated by them rearing their ugly head when we did our absolute best to make this patch the smoothest yet.

It's normal and completely okay for people to play the game for different reasons, but it's unfair to belittle how people spend their time or money because it doesn't align with your vision for how the game should be played. If you aren't enjoying your time in Sky like you did in the past, it's perfectly normal, healthy even, to step away and find something that brings you that same joy. It saddens us to learn that you aren't enjoying Sky as much as you did back then, but it just means that our journey to make Sky a place where everyone has fun and feels welcome isn't over yet and we have work to do to make that dream a reality.

[finite pumice]

Sorry if I've offended anyone. In no way was I suggesting that those that are testing are being ineffective. It's great that the community is as strong as it is. I was just reflecting on my observations over the past 6 months. It's part of why I stepped away from being an active beta; I felt that I had become ineffective myself. As a dev myself, I know it's very difficult, if not impossible to have a release go out without some issues in it. It's an unfortunate act of compromise.

I continue to be amazed at what the team has created, and step in spasmodically to see what changes there are, but I confess that I find it hard to enjoy when, if I'm in for 30 minutes to collect the new emotes, and keep hitting issues, I'm left feeling a bit disappointed. If I'm seeing these things with so little time spent, what else is there? Perhaps I'm just not being realistic. There is no should by the way. My way of play is definitely not that of others who like to play together and do "silly" stuff and muck around, and that's fine. I was only commenting on the testing nature of the beta. Again; sorry if I've ruffled feathers. Not my intent at all. At the moment, my "joy" is creating a real cape modelled on the original feathered cape in the beta. Once it's been worn in March, I have no idea what I'm going to do with it, but the act of creating it, sewing it, programming it is proving to be a great distraction. Thanks to the team.

[sand dawn]

“Programming it” ..wait, there are electronics involved? 🤩

Oof.. knowing there was new beta feedback, but not being able to read it..

[spark lance]

What are the price ranges for traveling spirit stuff? I asked in #questions-and-help but they said it's better if I ask here

[sand dawn]

Spells are 5🕯as normal
Hearts 3🕯 also normal
There is a cost of 1 to 4 ascended candles (probably)
Items/cosmetics likely range from 10 to 50🕯
Emote lvl3 seems to be 15🕯, lvl 2 and lvl4 cost around 5💛

@spark lance

[spark lance]

Ok! Thanks!

So no cosmetics?

[sand dawn]

Items=cosmetics

[spark lance]

Oh ok!

Sorry lol

[hybrid wedge]

@spark lance It's worth keeping in mind that the prices for some things may change when the traveling spirits get to live. They changed often in beta.

[spark lance]

Ok

Thanks again!

[atomic yoke]

Interesting

Sometimes I feel bad

[fleet hinge]

Me sees that beta updates is updated: Yeaaaaaaa!
Sees that its just a update on beta game:
😩

But still tho cant wait for this game to come out tho

[pure stag]

I'm also looking forward to the beta update, but I'd like to have more game content, so give developers more time

[quaint onyx]

I'd like more broken stuff, then it feels like we're actually doing something

[radiant drum]

@pure stag please don’t mention unreleased content here

[quaint onyx]

Give us atleast a few good bugs. Game breaking bugs

[pure stag]

Sorry

[quaint onyx]

Android used to have such nice bugs... I miss the giant beems of candle light, I thought they were a stylistic choice

[woeful lodge]

I’m hoping for something along the lines of Giant Campfire! It was before my betatime so I missed it but if you’re gonna have bugs that’s the way to do it! Go big or go home!

On the flip side, server merged separating friends has been pretty out of control the last few days. With the ability to resume your journey together gone now due to the portal change, it takes forever to get back together and then pick back up together where you got separated.

[crisp igloo]

Will ios beta have more slots soon 👀 👀 👀

[lunar zealot]

When they announce they need it in #beta-announcements 👀

[hollow compass]

To comment quickly on what Peter said above, I definitely have noticed a difference in how beta is used and approached by new players. But I also think that is a natural progression from being only in beta to now being available worldwide. Ideally, with a regular game, beta testing wouldn't be needed after global release, because the basic game mechanisms are set and presumably permanent. But I feel like TGC is a game developer who likes to challenge themselves and try new things (every season, for example), and so, keeping beta has become an essential part of Sky.

[gilded parrot]

The iOS and Android betas are full at the moment, @hollow compass. To join future beta invite waves, watch for announcements in #beta-announcements! Give yourself the beta role here by tapping the in #old-𝚛ules to be notified of important updates.

[hollow compass]

thank you, bot

I personally don't spend as much time in beta anymore, unless there is something specific to test. It's partly also because a lot of my old friends aren't around or have moved to the Live version. It can be quite exhausting trying to keep up with both versions in parallel.

[fresh quiver]

It seems like there's a new apk floating around, but this one lets them download the full game? I met someone who started playing last week and can use all the portals. Should we be reporting this kind of thing? Or discouraging it?

[umbral parcel]

Seems travelling spirit item very very expensive🥶hope the candle in my pocket can deal with them

[finite pumice]

@fresh quiver that sounds like something I'd be reporting, just in case. always err on the safe side, and let TGC decide if something is amiss. they own the IP afterall.

[west torrent]

how do i join beta?

[gilded parrot]

The iOS and Android betas are full at the moment, @west torrent. To join future beta invite waves, watch for announcements in #beta-announcements! Give yourself the beta role here by tapping the in #old-𝚛ules to be notified of important updates.

[west torrent]

is there IOS beta?

[crystal fractal]

yes

[west torrent]

how does one join that?

[crystal fractal]

there’ll be a link

when a new invite wave comes out

since you have the Sky Beta Member role, you should get pinged

[west torrent]

oh ok

thanks!

[pure stag]

[celest yarrow]

🌞Good Morning🌞 My Mostest Beauteeefullest Skysapian Sisters & Brothers 😁HAPPY😆HAPPY😃HAPPY😊 THURSDAY I hope y'all have a Triumphantly Togetherness kind of day Lots of 🤍❤🧡💛💚💙💖💜🖤 & 🪔🕯️to all 🤗🎉

[spark lance]

do we know when the next Traveling Spirit will be available in Beta?

[radiant drum]

We don’t know when or if there will be more traveling spirits in the beta

If TGC is done resting its functionality we won’t need a full schedule

[vapid drum]

Are they resting again??

[hybrid wedge]

Traveling is exhausting stuff

[empty inlet]

better than working

[livid ice]

XD

[spark lance]

!betafaq

[gilded parrot]

The iOS and Android betas are full at the moment. To join future beta invite waves, watch for announcements in #beta-announcements! Give yourself the beta role here by tapping the in #old-𝚛ules to be notified of important updates.

[spark lance]

!betafaq

[gilded parrot]

The iOS and Android betas are full at the moment. To join future beta invite waves, watch for announcements in #beta-announcements! Give yourself the beta role here by tapping the in #old-𝚛ules to be notified of important updates.

[livid ice]

@spark lance just got to Rules and react to the cyan cape

And you’ll get notified

The beta isn’t gonna open any slots any tome soon unless TGC demands it

The only way you’ll know is by clicking there and waiting

[tardy dove]

what the bot says won't change

[heavy canopy]

what are the known traveling spirits from rhythm?

[lunar zealot]

Traveling spirits aren’t season tied. They just happened to start during the season. The first one will be the Sassy stance from gratitude, it’ll come tomorrow

[heavy canopy]

i know, but i want to save my candles for one spirit and i want to know what they are

or wait

of its

oh i get it

so its a weekend thing

[lunar zealot]

Patch notes, Moyo

[heavy canopy]

shh

[tired sinew]

Can I join the beta team

[radiant drum]

!betafaq

[gilded parrot]

The iOS and Android betas are full at the moment. To join future beta invite waves, watch for announcements in #beta-announcements! Give yourself the beta role here by tapping the in #old-𝚛ules to be notified of important updates.

[jagged rune]

Is the traveling spirit gonna show up at reset or at noon PST?

Oh at noon it says on patch notes, nvm

[radiant drum]

the patch notes are for live, though

[jagged rune]

Yep, wrong chat lol

[honest folio]

A new player befriended me and brought me to Isle of Dawn, they seemed pretty clueless so I assume they were new to the game. I couldn’t bring them to Prairie so I assume they didn’t complete Isle yet. I brought them to Isle’s temple but there was no meditation circle after lighting the one candle and the doors behind were already open, is it a bug?

[quaint onyx]

The Isle temple yes, the player not being able to go to Prarie, no

[honest folio]

Aren’t they related?

[quaint onyx]

No, he's just someone trying to play an unreleased game through questionable means

They better patch soon or this game is going to be taken over by China

[honest folio]

Oh~ I see

Should I still report the temple thing as bug?

[quaint onyx]

Yeah, haven't seen that one before. It happens, but I haven't seen it in isle

Did you try sit emote on the spot where the circle should appear?

[formal breach]

Will the capeless cosmetic get a try-out slot in the closet in live?

[lunar zealot]

I assume so, as it has it in beta. But we won´t really know until it hits live. It might work like the elder hairs who have no preview because they are ultimate reward. Maybe the cape will get the same treatment in live?

[finite pumice]

I was going to try and post some/all of this in the live bug channel but it would seem that I don't have permission, so here it is. Some of it is questions, some is bugs.

I saw an issue in live today where the doors in the isle temple would not open. there was no flame button, and using my own candle would not work. flight also seems bizareley fast in isle; has it been accelerated for some reason? I'm finding that touch controls seem unusually sensitive too. Why was the prairie remodelled? It's like all of the things there to provide a little challenge have been smoothed over and removed. and muffin rock now has a new hole! the prayer wheels on top of the great stupa are not rendering properly anymore; the gold shine is only partially drawn. I fell through the floor of the forest glade today when I was trying to go to the cavern after dropping through the tantrum door. the only way out was to go home. a final why...why, in isle are there no butterflies to help launch us to the temple, and why don't those prayer wheels shine or turn anymore? so many changes, and issues. I just don't have time nowadays to write it up like I used to, and the reporting mechanism here, whilst clever is too restrictive (not to mention the size limits imposed by discord).

[icy falcon]

regarding size limits, you can upload videos in #beta-screenshots-videos and put the direct link in the bug report. the server has a much bigger size limit than your direct message with the bot.

[storm vessel]

Feels like the change is there so that you are not bored.

[sudden leaf]

Has the update with the traveling spirits come out yet? I’m wondering because I don’t see the spirit

[empty river]

are you in live?

[sudden leaf]

Yeah

[empty river]

!whynospiritbruh

[gilded parrot]

The first Traveling Spirit is set to visit on Friday January 31st at 12:00 (noon) PST (UTC-8), so not at midnight/reset. Wait a bit longer!

[sudden leaf]

Ahh, ok

Also beautiful command

[livid ice]

3 more hours

XD

[empty river]

best commands in this server lol

[sudden leaf]

I love them so much xD

[hollow compass]

@finite pumice if you want to leave a bug report you need to click the little flame icon at the bottom, which triggers the bot to send you a DM, which in turn begins a questionnaire type of report tool.

it's there because so many would forget to state important information about game builds and device version.

[celest yarrow]

🌞Good Morning My Mostest Beauteeefullest Skysapian Sisters & Brothers 😁HAPPY😆HAPPY😃HAPPY😊 TGI FRIDAY I hope y'all have a Fiercely Funfilled Fantastic Day And a Wonderfully Awesomesauce weekend Lots of 🤍❤🧡💛💚💙💖💜🖤 & 🪔🕯️to all 🥳

[radiant drum]

@finite pumice your report won’t be seen here, you need to use one of the appropriate channels. For the bugs please submit them separately on #beta-bugs-ios, but your post would fit well in #beta-feedback! There’s the perfect channel to comment on those changes, explain how you feel about them and if you have an issue, how to improve it and it gets sent directly to the devs

[vapid briar]

@rain token sorry for the ping, could you post a bug report of the missing candles and include screenshots?

[rain token]

@vapid briar I already did that as soon as they disappeared when vault was updated originally. I was hoping, based on the patch notes, that the gold vase and ladder candles were the ones they meant were coming back. Would submitting it again help?

[vapid briar]

I searched the bug reports and found nothing, so i searched posts from you and the only thing i could find is a paragraph you wrote in #beta-feedback on the 12th which isn't the best place to report bugs.

[rain token]

@vapid briar That’s weird. I definitely reported it.

I’ll re do it

[icy falcon]

I reported those missing candles in Vault as well, on 01/12/2020

[lusty light]

HEY EVERYONE THERES A BETA UPDATE

[worn field]

[tawny bough]

A SWING!!!!

[lunar zealot]

WAIT THE SWING IS REAL?

[tawny bough]

I can't find it ; w;

[lunar zealot]

I’m hopping on beta a bit later this i gotta see lol

[vapid briar]

Please remember to keep discussion of upcoming holiday events in the beta channels or spoiler-tagged in the Live discussion channels (though preferably keep Beta chat in Beta chat channels)

[simple willow]

Ooo New update

[lunar zealot]

Will do, Ktjn!

[tawny bough]

OHH IT'S SOOO CUTEEEE ;___ ;

where do you get it

[prime belfry]

Added a swing to celebrate Days of Love with a friend!

• Fixed a bug where the Valley of Triumph and Golden Wasteland Seasonal spirits were floating in the air.
• Fixed the issue of missing candles in Vault of Knowledge.
• Reverted a previously patched out-of-bounds area in Isle of Dawn that was a fan favorite.

[lusty light]

The store

[prime belfry]

Yaaaaay

[tawny bough]

bless

[astral surge]

THE RAINBOW BRIDGE IS BACK

[lusty light]

It’s back in live

[prime belfry]

Yesssssss

[astral surge]

i tried getting to it recently and couldnt get to it

i was big sad

[tawny bough]

people gonna be swinging right into krill

[stoic ocean]

I love the swing!

[empty river]

WAIT UPDATE?

[tawny bough]

Swing update

[hasty marten]

$25 tho!?!

[empty river]

THE SWING?!?!

[tawny bough]

That is expensive..

[empty river]

Oh geez

[hasty marten]

Veryyy

[empty river]

Gotta take a look at that

[prime belfry]

Time to put a swing on rainbow bridge

[unique stirrup]

wait how u.. how use swing

[tawny bough]

buy it from the store

it's free in beta

it's a back item

[unique stirrup]

oh!!

don't know why i didn't check store

[tawny bough]

I didn't either at first 😂

Happens!

[blazing sail]

$25 is a bit much

[light orbit]

Can you speak to strangers on the swing?

[tawny bough]

Yeahh I'm probably gonna pass

[blazing sail]

Ktjn you kind of lied to us when we asked you about the swing set. 😛

[light orbit]

I can only see ..........

[empty river]

She wasn’t allowed to say most likely lol

[mystic hollow]

why the heck does google claim im signed up for beta but i am unable to download .-.

[empty river]

While my game updates pls tell me, does it come with candles?

[tawny bough]

It does not

[light orbit]

No candles

[tawny bough]

No juice

[empty river]

Mhmn I c

“Days of love” hmm

[tawny bough]

Hmm

[stoic ocean]

For the price I wish it had candles.

[tawny bough]

Valentines Event?

[empty river]

Likely!

Maaaybe double hearts again? With a little something else

[icy falcon]

i don't see the update in the play store yet ; w ;

is android behind?

[vapid briar]

There were some issues with the Android build, I'm not 100% on the status of it, but it is coming.

[blazing sail]

Ok we really need a way to carry more than one thing on our backs now

[limber bone]

guys i can't load into the game after the last update help

[sterile wigeon]

Hmmm, isnt 36 and 16 a bit too much?

[limber bone]

[sterile wigeon]

Why cant the top cosmetics be 16 and the other cosmetic be bought with hearts?

[mystic hollow]

I am in the beta, but literally nothing I try will let me install it. When I go to bit.ly/AndroidBetaSky it says I am in the beta, but when i look at it in the play store, it says i am not.

[limber bone]

why everyone ignoring me

[fresh quiver]

@mystic hollow Did you look in the Play Games app? It has a green icon

[mystic hollow]

yes

multiple times

and I am on the correct account

[proven trout]

@limber bone that usually happens when you have a weak connection

[blazing sail]

If the swing set is for Valentine’s Day, it should be giftable

[worn field]

i can see people’s feedback in #beta-feedback, even though it’s not supposed to be readable by us

[blazing sail]

Why does beta feedback keep emptying?

[limber bone]

@proven trout but my connection is ok

[worn field]

read #beta-announcements app

[blazing sail]

It’s blank for me even tho I just left feedback

[worn field]

it’s intended

[limber bone]

the game also crashes when i press "account" button

[blazing sail]

Ahh ok

That’s a little weird tho

Means you can’t add to it

And are limited to one message every 2 hours

[worn field]

yeah that’s a drawback, but i think it’s probably for the best

[proven trout]

@limber bone you might think you have good connection but it’s still not strong enough to load the game. i’d say wait it out. i used to have this issue all the time and switching from wifi to cellular usually worked. but when all else failed i just waited

[lunar zealot]

Seems like #beta-feedback is a bit bugged again, i can see Seraph’s feedback along with Crickets

[molten bloom]

$25 is too much or wiz some candles would be acceptable

[worn field]

me too Em. i can see like 7 people’s feedback

[bright schooner]

@mystic hollow have you tried clearing out google play store cache and play google cache and restarting?

[worn field]

btw for those concerned about the high price, it says on #beta-announcements that everyone will get a few free swing spells, so it’s not too bad (maybe still overpriced, but the free spells help)

[tame musk]

Spells run out though.. 😅

[jagged rune]

I can still see invisible cape in forest constellation 👀

[worn field]

yeah, otherwise the prop item would be redundant

[blazing sail]

Why are they trying to price out so many people, though? It’s more than an adventure pass for yourself and two friends

$10 would be a lot more reasonable and more people would buy it

[jagged rune]

Take it easy, its the first build

[molten bloom]

Honestly free swing spells seemingly useless for most senior players 🌚offer us some shining spell would be much better

My suggestion

😂

[worn field]

i don’t see it as such as a bad thing that cosmetics cost so much, since it’s just a cosmetic. the whole game is free, and it’s just some fun items that cost money (supporting TGC). they’ve gotta balance IAP prices to support the ongoing development of the game, and the way it’s set up is really generous, since the entire game is free, nothing essential to the game is behind a paywall.

[blazing sail]

I bought the Santa hat but not the Halloween costume (even tho I hate Christmas and love Halloween). It’s easier to get someone to compulsively spend $10 or less. $25 gets a lot more hesitation, at least from me.

[jagged rune]

☝️

[molten bloom]

I will buy it for sure. But I’m trying to tell you. If TGC wanna get more profits from this item. Fewer people would interested in buying that if it sells $25. Even $30i would buy it. My point is they’d better consider most general players not like us

[tame musk]

as you said, it’s just a cosmetic.. then why should it cost so much? I don’t think balancing the iap means to overprice things.. I’m sure more people would be willing to buy if it were cheaper. It doesn’t have to be $5 (because TGC needs money to support itself) but $10-$15 dollars and maybe some candles more people would be willing to buy

[worn field]

everyone has different ideas of how much the cosmetics are worth. some (probably most) don’t get any IAPs, and on the other end of the spectrum there’re people who buy everything. Their worth is subjective. How TGC prices them has to depend on what best supports development.

[blazing sail]

There are also people who buy $100 worth of candles to get the seasonal items all on the first day. That’s not who they should be pricing things for.

[hasty vessel]

25 dollars for a swing set that holds two players is taking the biscuit

[blazing sail]

I mean, unless they want to alienate a lot of people

[hasty vessel]

This is a joke

And the item is trash

Do better tgc

[livid ice]

10 dollars is the maximum everyone should give for that swing ,

[worn field]

if they really want to alienate people they can make the whole game cost $20 with a yearly $10 subscription.

this is a much better solution than many games offer

[livid ice]

The game can’t turn into a rent

:”v

[tame musk]

Azaura, please try to be respectful ^^ let’s not try to be more constructive with our discussion and not so negative

[blazing sail]

When the item leaked a week or so back, I was hoping it would be the ultimate gift and they were just polishing it up

It makes sense as an ultimate gift, too

[worn field]

nothing in beta is final. it might look/function differently in live, we don’t know.

[livid ice]

I mean not for me because I don’t even like it and I think the bonfire and table is enough to talk to people

[blazing sail]

Especially for a season of performance.

[tame musk]

Yeah, but we can still discuss it as it is now

[livid ice]

But 25 dollars in general is too much

[worn field]

of course chase

[livid ice]

If people start buying things at this price

Everything is gonna be going up

[hasty vessel]

Nah 25 dollars and you want me to respectful?

[blazing sail]

But the point of beta is to discuss it, not just stay silent and hope they read our minds

[livid ice]

That’s how it works ,passes soon will be 20 dollars for person if people keep buying stuff that is 20-30 dollars

[worn field]

for some people, $25 is cheap. there is no objectively fair price.

[livid ice]

Idk who would spend 25 for some pixels that do the same work as the chat table

Is cute but not worth it

[blazing sail]

Yes, but does TGC want to be that kind of company?

[hasty vessel]

Joshua 25 dollars for a iap is not cheap

[limber bone]

@livid ice +1

[worn field]

not worth it to you, but i expect we’ll see people buying it when it comes to live.

[hasty vessel]

DAE is does even less work than the chat table

[worn field]

Azaura cheapness is relative

[blazing sail]

They could price something $1000 and someone will buy it as a status symbol

What’s your point?

People are voicing their opinions that FOR THEM it is too expensive

We’re not gonna hear from people who are happy throwing hundreds or thousands of dollars at the game because they’ll buy it no matter what.

[hasty vessel]

Well said

[worn field]

it’s fine to say it’s too expensive for you. but people are talking about it like it’s objectively too expensive.

[lusty light]

@hasty vessel the rules say to be respectful, you don’t have to like the item or the price but those are still the rules

[blazing sail]

No one here said it should be free. Just a more reasonable price.

[worn field]

i believe there is no objectively reasonable price.

[livid ice]

There is

There should be

[light orbit]

With 99 candles or more is also more acceptable

[livid ice]

Things are getting pricier

And if the consumer keeps buying the prices will go up and up because that’s how economy works

I won’t be paying for personal passes for 20 dollars one day ... they should keep stuff reasonable that’s all we trynna say

[radiant drum]

Nothing is final in beta. For all we know, the swing could be there in the shop so we could access it immediately in the beta. Remember that things can change in beta at any time, and you have to be respectful regardless of your opinion

[lusty light]

Tgc has listened to our feedback before, and ktjn literally did say to submit feedback on the price, we just have to see how this turns out

[radiant drum]

I’d treat the price as intended at first when giving feedback, but also know it could change

[tame musk]

Joshur I don’t agree. There can be a reasonable price

[molten bloom]

Sell more stuffs with reasonable price VS sell less things with expensive price. Unless this item cast $50 or sth, sell more with reasonable price would be a better choice. Purely recommendation.

[radiant drum]

That’s why we’re testing it anyway

[tame musk]

I mean that’s obvious lol if it’s in a reasonable price range for most people more people will buy

[blazing sail]

Candles aren’t worth anything to older players who completed the constellations tho

So I don’t thing adding candles fixes the price

I wouldn’t buy candles myself

[radiant drum]

And on the #beta-feedback channel: you can’t access the chat’s history so once that’s gone, you won’t be able to see even your own messages. We are looking into ways to improve that but for now, review your feedback before posting

[blazing sail]

I didn’t buy the Santa hat bc it came with candles. I bought it bc it was cute and cheap enough to justify buying.

[tough quest]

Having a few expensive iap with the same function as other items could be nice since it provides revenue from people who are willing to pay so the devs can create other stuff for everyone. To play devils advocate

[lusty light]

But candles aren’t really supposed to be spent on yourself

Even though I’ve finished all the constellations I’m still going to send hearts to people

[blazing sail]

Has the price of an item in beta ever gone done in live? So far I’ve only seen it go up.

[lusty light]

Yes

The feast hat

[blazing sail]

Which one?

[fiery patio]

!betafaq

[gilded parrot]

The iOS and Android betas are full at the moment. To join future beta invite waves, watch for announcements in #beta-announcements! Give yourself the beta role here by tapping the in #old-𝚛ules to be notified of important updates.

[blazing sail]

Wasn’t it $7 in beta?

I forgot

[lusty light]

Yes

[radiant drum]

Prices have gone down, gone up and stayed in beta entirely instead of releasing

[lusty light]

It was 7 dollars in live

[stoic ocean]

The other alternative for TGC to earn money to keep the game alive and the lights on is to include ads shudder which I’m so thankful they haven’t

[radiant drum]

So anything can happen really

[blazing sail]

Right so it didn’t go down

I’m confused

[half bloom]

What oob area in isle was a "fan favorite"?

[worn field]

rainbow bridge

[half bloom]

uh

[delicate dawn]

Maybe having some cheaper IAP items would help make premium cosmetics more accessible to everyone– like a few $2-5 masks/hair that stay in the shop year-round, and an additional item in that price range for holidays along with the expensive items.

[worn field]

i mean, the season pass gets you tons of cosmetics for a better price than that (per item). i get what you’re saying though.

[jagged rune]

Ok, but i need an update on the invisible cape !

[blazing sail]

And yes, I understand that candles are always useful for sending hearts to friends or friend upgrades. I would still never buy candles.

So including candles doesn’t soften the blow for me.

[tough quest]

The benefit to one more expensive iap is it takes less time than making 4. For example, you could make 4 and have all cost 5$. Or make 4, have one cost 20$, and the rest free. Probably not a linear trade off but you get the idea

[vapid briar]

I see chat is getting a little heated, discourse is encouraged, but please remember to keep your words respectful toward one another.

[analog citrus]

I kinda think this shouldn't even be a cosmetic. Just put a few swings in home and let people chill and chat.

[hasty vessel]

Or just make it a spell

[worn field]

it is a spell

[blazing sail]

@analog citrus yes, this! Besides the price, it means giving up my bonfire

[stoic ocean]

They said it would be in the update notes

[tough quest]

I dont get a time limited spell really

[stoic ocean]

And a permanent addition if you buy it

[blazing sail]

Spells are too random tho

I hav 20+ table spells I’ll never use and only 5 glow spells that are now the most useful spells

[radiant drum]

I don’t think we have to buy the spells, patch notes said they will be distributed during the event

[blazing sail]

Right, but once you use them up it’s too random

[molten bloom]

Agree...

[radiant drum]

I don’t think you can get them after the event though

[blazing sail]

Especially if you already cleared out all your regular constellations

[radiant drum]

Or buy them from the spells in the shops

[blazing sail]

Oh then that’s even worse

[tough quest]

Yeah a spell thats gone forever once you use it just seems like a bummer

[radiant drum]

All players will be receiving a few free spells of this prop item during the event. Those who want a permanent version of this item will be able to purchase it in the Shop.

[blazing sail]

I don’t use my spells bc of the limited access to them

[stoic ocean]

Same.

[blazing sail]

I just pretend I don’t have them so I don’t become reliant on them and then they’re gone

[tough quest]

If only there were a recurring, reliable supply ...

[blazing sail]

I would love to use my glow spells but come on...I have 5. Those would be gone in a heartbeat

[stoic ocean]

And the ability to choose the spell you want to buy

[blazing sail]

Or at least trade in the ones you don’t need

Once you have a chat table, you don’t need chat spells

[molten bloom]

Make sense

Btw idk how to do wiz those redundant ♥️ 🌚

[tardy dove]

i would love to trade my spells ahh

[hasty vessel]

Same here been trying to get smol with the resize potions for the longest time

[tawny prairie]

test flight isn’t downloading lol but can someone explain the shop - your buying spells or a permanent item

[brazen oyster]

I think being able to buy a specific spell in the shop and trading them for other spells with friends or gift them, would be nice

[worn field]

corgi you buy a permanent item

[tawny prairie]

ahh okay cool

ahh omg this is 25$

it’s quite cute, I like the concept of the back item as a letter (it’s too close in colour with the winter blue cape tho) but 25$ without candles seems

[lusty light]

Please submit feedback!

[tawny prairie]

I will when I can actually test it

[hasty vessel]

Fair enough the swing is in beta and things could change but the fact that they’ve release it with that price tag is disappointing to say the least

[tawny prairie]

I’m at work and don’t wanna use data haha

I was open it in every world and see

[brazen oyster]

Maybe they should bring a cape and candles with it😄

Would make it more attractive

[quaint onyx]

❤ shaped cape?

[tawny prairie]

it’s a functional item which I can understand the higher price but maybe not alone

[brazen oyster]

Maybe a cape with little music notes on its back

[tawny prairie]

this is our first functional item outside of a season

[quaint onyx]

Or red cape, with ❤ inatead of 🌟, like the bat cape?

[brazen oyster]

Ohh would be handsome too i think

[tawny prairie]

a berry pink like cape maybe

since we already have two reds

we don’t have any maroon - berry ones

[brazen oyster]

True, maybe a rainbow one? Or with multiple colors

[tawny prairie]

The item in general is adorable and I do like it

[quaint onyx]

Magenta-perrywinkle? With cyan-puse hightlights?

Sorry, I'm out of colors

[tawny prairie]

tho if they wanna keep it as one item, maybe add some vines or garland around the bars

[blazing sail]

I also wonder why they don’t make these items gift-able since there are some people willing to spend a lot of money on the game if they’re given the option.

[tawny prairie]

Up the romanance theme

[radiant drum]

Remember to submit all the feedback about it in #beta-feedback as well!

[brazen oyster]

Yes but 25$ for a swing would be better with more benefits from it.
Like the starter pack

[rustic imp]

Question about the spells

[blazing sail]

Can’t. 2-hour wait time

[rustic imp]

When are we supposed to get the swing spells

[quaint onyx]

Bit we can't snoop on other peeps feedback now!!

[brazen oyster]

@radiant drum can i write suggestions on it there too?
Because writing it in public #wishlist-and-ideas-archived seems a bit like a spoiler

[quaint onyx]

Snoop mode engaged!!!!

Snoop mode locked in!

[blazing sail]

The $25 might be more palatable if it came with an extra for a friend. Since it’s for Valentine’s Day, after all.

[brazen oyster]

True

[radiant drum]

@brazen oyster yes! Though they should be related to the feature we’re testing

[worn field]

oh Giccix’s feedback is visible for me in #beta-feedback. a bug i guess.

[brazen oyster]

So Feedback related to the swing right?

[radiant drum]

Sometimes it takes some time for history to get deleted from your cache, so you will still see the messages

Yeah, at the moment that seems to be the big thing we’re testing

But everything beta really

[brazen oyster]

Alright!

[empty river]

Oh noooo

My game restarted

I’m bouta cri what happened akdkakdk

[rain token]

Can I ask why the feedback has been made private?

[stoic ocean]

Partly bc people were chatting and responding to others feedback

[worn field]

it’s to help keep coversation in the discussion channels, making the feedback channel more readable for tgc

[lusty light]

Ktjn explained why when the change was made

[rustic imp]

It’s in #beta-announcements! and it was actually aeri who posted that one

[worn field]

Ktjn also said in this channel (on the day aeri posted in updates) that it’s to help keep the feedback constructive and unbiased

you can find their message by searching this:
in:general-beta-discussion from:Ktjn#8721 during:2020-01-29

[rustic imp]

Ah I think I’ve only seen aeri’s

[sleek brook]

25$ they nuts 🥜

[lusty light]

Submit feedback

[burnt finch]

i'm so sad that i won't be able to get the swing set on live

[quaint onyx]

I don't know, founders cape is 30$ and available to everyone right?

And starter pack is 15$ right?

[blazing sail]

Starter pack is $5

[sleek brook]

Even founders cape is a cash grab

[blazing sail]

Founders cape is obscene, too. I probably would have made more of a stink about it if I didn’t have the beta cape.

[worn field]

founders cape is to support TGC though isn’t it? like that’s why it’s called ‘founders’

[hushed gate]

Can I say as a humble live player(which means I don’t think I can post this in feedback), that I would love for the shop/holiday items to be giftable so I can buy them for people?

[lusty light]

The founders cape comes with 100+ candles and is 30 dollars on purpose because it’s literally the color of the tgc logo and a symbol of your support for them

[final lance]

Founder cape is basicly giving appreciation to tgc

[sleek brook]

I think TGC is probably good on money

[lusty light]

You shouldn’t assume how well tgc is doing

[hushed gate]

Which is also why I’m okay with pricing if it means keeping this game free for everyone. I will buy y’all the swing if you want it.

[sleek brook]

😂

[lusty light]

I don’t agree with the price of the swing but tgc is still an indie company with only around 30 developers

[burnt finch]

but if more people bought store items because they were cheaper, wouldn't that make tgc more money in the long run?

[blazing sail]

I think the candles are used as an excuse for the high price of the Founders cape, but like I said earlier, I would never buy candles, so to me that would seem more like I’m being forced to buy something I don’t want just to justify the higher price of the thing I do want.

[brazen oyster]

Wow tgc works very well with just 30 people

[quaint onyx]

If we assume everyone who buys the swingset is going to or already have bought both the starter and the founders... That's 60 total right? Maybe the swingset would be perfect at 15$. That leaves 10$ to buy in extra candle packs to hit the 60 "real game" price

[worn field]

the thing is this game is in ongoing development. and they need to pay for servers too.

[lusty light]

The founders cape is a special item, if it were only 5 dollars what would make it more special than the starter pack or other season pass items

[worn field]

creationUnbound yes and no. if they made it too cheap they’d make less money. there’d be an optimum price.

[quaint onyx]

Founders cape is essentially like "buying" the game

[blazing sail]

Making everything (including candles) gift-able would be a huge game-changer

I’ve often wondered why only the seasonal passes can be gifted

[worn field]

‘game-changer’

[final lance]

s e v e r a l p e p s t y p i n g

[quaint onyx]

And lead to scalpers who are willing to sell candles for a penny a pop😆

[burnt finch]

@worn field that's what i mean, really. i'm just saying i normally buy items from this game if i can afford them and i feel that they're worth the price

[blazing sail]

I don’t mean gift the candles you have

Gift a candle pack

[quaint onyx]

That would be interesting

[crisp plinth]

I like the idea of being able to gift some iaps

[worn field]

me too

[blazing sail]

Letting people buy each other the seasonal passes is already a big step above most other F2P games. Why not take it further?

[worn field]

this’d make good feedback (once the 2 hour timer resets)

[final lance]

2 hour timer reset?

[brazen oyster]

I think the swing price is fine, no one is forced to buy it, its an offer to take or deny, if someone wants to buy it no matter how much and get a swing back then why not.

[tame musk]

:T

[burnt finch]

right now i'm not in a situation where i can spend $25 on virtual items, is what i'm saying really. if it was, like, $15 i think everyone would benefit

[worn field]

zaki i mean the 2hour time limit in #beta-feedback

[tame musk]

You aren’t forced to buy it yes but it’s not a fair price for what is being sold

[final lance]

Owww

Alright

[brazen oyster]

Making it more attractive is of course good for more income but TGC doesn’t need to extra change a price to get more, its just like a candle offer, if you want it or not is your choice

[blazing sail]

No one’s forced to buy anything. People are just expressing that the price is a barrier for them.

[crisp plinth]

Tbh I skip out on the holiday IAPs but my friends don't and I do want them to get an item worth the cost. 25 does seem steep for a two seated chat table

[worn field]

i feel like no matter what price it is, there’ll be people who can’t afford it.

[tame musk]

yes. But atleast then the price will be in a reasonable range

[blazing sail]

So then why not make it $1000?

[worn field]

because almost no one would buy it app

[tame musk]

There’s some who can not afford the seasonal pass but it’s in a reasonable price range for what is being sold

[blazing sail]

If we’re gonna use that argument

[burnt finch]

also, obviously there's nothing in this game you are "forced" to buy, but the prices shouldn't be comparable to dlc for a single item

[blazing sail]

But they have to sell fewer at $1000. If they make it $10,000, maybe they only need one person to buy it.

[burnt finch]

@tame musk you can also gift passes

[brazen oyster]

A good point, sure its expensive for a swing but if it won’t be changed its not bad either

Still just a offer

[empty inlet]

compare to a console or gacha game then

[worn field]

appunwrapper there’d be an optimum price to make the most money

[blazing sail]

That person can then feel like the king of Sky and the rest of us can just look on utterly baffled that they spent $10,000 on a digital item.

[hasty vessel]

If it’s money that they need I’d rather them start a go fund me or patreon

[empty inlet]

tgc can make more money if they make sky a gacha game

[hasty vessel]

No one needs to spend 25 dollars on a cosmetic

[empty inlet]

no one force you to gacha

[tame musk]

@burnt finch yeah! I’m so glad for that feature!

[empty inlet]

you need to do gacha to get the swing

[worn field]

app for example, maybe if it was $1 10000 people would buy it, if it was $25 1000 people would buy it, and if it was $10000 1 person would buy it. in that case, pricing it at $10000 nets them less money.

[burnt finch]

any game can make more money by introducing a gacha element, but tbh it's morally bankrupt lol

[brazen oyster]

Its expensive because it almost costs as much as the TGC cape and it would be better if it came with more but still if it won’t be changed its not bad either, still just a offer.
Some feel powerful if they spend tons of money for a digital item but it doesn’t matter, its just a offer

To buy or deny

[blazing sail]

And if they make it $10 and giftable, they’ll sell possibly as many as they do the season pass and it’s only one item

[brazen oyster]

True

[tame musk]

there’d be an optimum price to make the most money
And this price isn’t it. Especially for a swing. As you can see lots of people here do not think it’s an optimum price for it

[worn field]

we don’t know what the optimum price is. we don’t have the data to figure that out.

[tame musk]

that’s not what I’m saying

[worn field]

what are you saying?

[blazing sail]

Is the goal to optimize profits or to make a wholesome game that also supports the devs?

[brazen oyster]

Its just an offer, if it would be reconfigured with more perks it would be a great price for it.

Second i think

[empty inlet]

gacha element sounds so perfect tbh

[blazing sail]

Bc if they wanted to optimize profits they would have already put ads in the game and gachas and all sorts of predatory stuff

[brazen oyster]

Yeah like all games

[worn field]

app, optimise profits to fund the development of a wholesome game that also supports devs.

[crisp plinth]

Sorry for off topic but what on Earth is gacha??

[worn field]

i’m sure tgc would love to make all the content free, but that’s not really feasible.

[empty inlet]

Gacha games are video games that adapt and virtualize the gacha mechanic. In the monetization of video games it is similar to loot box, in inducing players to spend money.

[blazing sail]

No one’s saying they should work for free

Just the prices should be more reasonable

And comparable to other in-game items

[brazen oyster]

I think the offer should just be made a little more attractive, and if not then not that bad either

[tame musk]

I’m not sure how I would feel about gacha. That would introduce gambling habits

[blazing sail]

Yeah gacha is bad

Altho people seem to want that with the spells

[empty inlet]

it do profit

[brazen oyster]

True i think they will try to make it a little better

[blazing sail]

Unlimited spells = potential for gambling away all your money

[brazen oyster]

TGC doesn’t look like a game who ignores support at all

[worn field]

i think some might feel that even $1 is an unreasonable price. everyone’s in a different financial situation, and everyone values cosmetics differently.

[tame musk]

Yes you make profits but you also introduce yourself to kids stealing cards and potential lawsuits because they must get that item after they spent 20 tries trying to get an item from a gacha and they didn’t get the one they wanted

[worn field]

gacha sounds awful

[empty inlet]

25 won’t cause what you say at all? i doubt

[brazen oyster]

So i think the swing offer should be a more attractive and nice bundle so more people will enjoy it and buy it

So they can bring us more updates and we them more possibilities

[worn field]

i’d love more people to be able to buy and enjoy it, as long as tgc gets enough income to continue development

[crisp plinth]

Doing math here: swing is currently set at 25 USD, which roughly equates 85 regular candles (based on the price of a regular candle pack, 17 candles for 5 USD) 85 candles is about 28 hearts, give or take a few fragments. A chat table with two seats is nearly the price of a chat table with four seats.

[brazen oyster]

Goodnight

[empty inlet]

i don’t earn 5 usd for a full run everyday

[worn field]

it’s not just about it’s functionality tho. it’s also just a fun item.

[tame musk]

Goodnight Yaronimo! It was nice discussing with you

[crisp plinth]

Is swinging back and forth worth 13 hearts?

[empty inlet]

that’s not how you calculate things

[worn field]

to me it is

[empty inlet]

the point is not about supporting tgc or not, it’s how devs value items in game is different from how players do (at least part of the players)

you buy the founder pack to support tgc

swing is a different thing

[kindred fossil]

13 hearts is a really low price

[radiant drum]

It’s different because you don’t actually have to spend real money to get base game cosmetics, even if the candles would be worth that much. You just have to play the game

[tame musk]

You also pay for convenience when you are buying candles. So i think it’s kinda different? Unless I misunderstood your point

[hasty vessel]

Exactly! You can’t make a comparison between real life currency and in game currency, one is fictional..

[burnt finch]

i really hope the devs dont introduce gacha to this game, how anyone can find gacha enjoyable is beyond me

[empty inlet]

me neither

[tame musk]

I think if they were to add anything as a gacha it should only be spells

[empty inlet]

my point is devs have plenty of methods to profit with price that players are happy with

[burnt finch]

animal crossing: pocket camp introduced it a couple years ago and it made me stop playing because i felt like i missed out on so much cute furniture

[empty inlet]

we don’t have to bother with that

[tame musk]

Yeah. Same here

[tardy dove]

oh same

[burnt finch]

off-topic though lol

[empty inlet]

also tgc already have enough profit from sky to start their next game

[lusty light]

Pocket camp fills me with so much pain

We don’t know what tgcs profits are or if they are able to develop a new game

[burnt finch]

@empty inlet we dont know that

[empty inlet]

jenova said that

[burnt finch]

oh awesome then ^^

[kindred fossil]

from where exactly

[empty inlet]

I need to find that Chinese interview for reference

[final lance]

Can't wait to get feels again

[empty inlet]

Again, my point is we don’t have to worry about profit for devs

Otherwise I’ll have to support the idea of gacha or $1000 crown

[kindred fossil]

still, that could drop dramatically at any second, who knows

[sick lance]

Hey Guys

[worn field]

i’d appreciate a reference for that too, kanpai, if you have the time to dig it up

hey JJ

[sick lance]

Is the swing set a blessing?

[kindred fossil]

hi

[sick lance]

How do I get it

[worn field]

the swing set’s in the store

[kindred fossil]

no, its a shop item

[sick lance]

Oh thanks

How much does it say it costs

[kindred fossil]

25$

[sick lance]

Woah

[kindred fossil]

yep

[sick lance]

Thats some money

[exotic atlas]

Mmmm it’s a bit much for a single item

[worn field]

please submit feedback

[exotic atlas]

It looks really cute though

[sick lance]

Is it worth it tho?

[kindred fossil]

you decide that

[sick lance]

I'm gonna get onto beta and try it later

Whats your opinion on it coming from your perspective

[exotic atlas]

Is the spell version of it only available from higher level blessings?

[tame musk]

You have to decide for yourself if you think it’s worth it. Feel free to share your opinion though! I’m sure we’re all curious 👀

[sick lance]

I'm curious

[kindred fossil]

not an actual beta tester, cant say much

[sick lance]

Oh

Wait don't spoil

I don't wanna have a good or bad emotion

[worn field]

ansolas we don’t know if it’ll be available as a blessing, but we’re assuming it won’t.
however everyone will get a few swing spells for free during the event.

[tame musk]

Don’t forget to submit feedback to the devs aswell

[kindred fossil]

(be kind)

[exotic atlas]

Ah I see I misread beta updates

[tame musk]

Please be kind and constructive though 😭💕

[empty inlet]

The translation or the article itself might not convey the exact facts, read for reference only
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fxueqiu.com%2F1058212218%2F136824248

[quick oriole]

Does the swing have any benefits for oob traveling? That would be the sole reason I’d buy it because...25$ 😳

[lunar zealot]

I tried using it as you would a table. It’s really difficult as the swing moves. It makes it so if you reach out your hand while on the swing you slip off

[tame musk]

Yeah

[quick oriole]

👁👄👁

Y the high price then?

TGC are y’all broke?

[lunar zealot]

This is beta. They are testing out the item and the price they see fit. There’s a lot of us who don’t agree on the price ^^

[safe swan]

So we get free stuff to test

[quick oriole]

Although I’m not a beta tester (yet hopefully) I don’t know of an instance where a price you saw in beta was lowered when it came to live

[hybrid wedge]

@empty inlet that's a really interesting article, thanks for sharing it!

[empty river]

the traveling spirits are an example ig

[lunar zealot]

Oh there’s been plenty of that. Prices do get adjusted according to the playerbase, but it might not adjust as much as one hoped for etc

[hybrid wedge]

(and especially thanks for sharing the google translate version of it )

[exotic atlas]

The last price the first traveling spirit had was the same as in live I think?

[quick oriole]

That’s game currency, not real money

[blazing sail]

@quick oriole I can’t think of any either. Not real $$ prices, at least.

It’s puzzling bc after the Halloween craziness, I thought they heard us when they offered the Christmas hat for $7. But now prices are shooting back up. Way up.

[narrow valley]

beta players upon seeing the swingset for the first time: omg cute
10 seconds later: *building an abomination of swings stacked on each other*

They're tall, so with some good precision, they stack very tall

[tardy dove]

we always seem compelled to stack things

[quick oriole]

I just...it NEEDS to do something special other than being a fun toy and chat table. It’s almost as expensive as the founders pack but at least that gives you a special cape to access the secret area

[narrow valley]

I can almost hear "no! this is not how you're supposed to play the game!"

[quick oriole]

And?

[worn field]

@empty inlet that article is fascinating!

[empty inlet]

glad you enjoyed it

[sterile trail]

How do I join beta testing for ios

[gilded parrot]

The iOS and Android betas are full at the moment, @sterile trail. To join future beta invite waves, watch for announcements in #beta-announcements! Give yourself the beta role here by tapping the in #old-𝚛ules to be notified of important updates.

[sterile trail]

Nvm found it

[worn field]

update!

[hybrid wedge]

[simple willow]

Another update???🤔🤔🤔🤔

[empty river]

well that was fast!

[worn field]

nyoooom

[sterile trail]

Waif how do I get in

I download test flight

[empty inlet]

wut

"sky beta crashed" when i try to update

[empty river]

you have to wait until they open more slots, since you have the beta role you'll be notified when they do

[lusty light]

There are no beta slots available @sterile trail, you have to wait

[sterile trail]

Ah i See

Thank you for telling me

[worn field]

btw Seraph someone seems to have posted a screenshot of a hacker in #eden-spoilers (i think. in the screenshot there's someone with 10 wings on their cape)

[lusty light]

Thanks!

[timber elk]

cryin over the chairs this is the cutest thing in the world

swings*

[worn field]

the seasonal candles and spirits are back in the beta version

[empty inlet]

lol

[worn field]

i'll make a bug report

[blazing sail]

Wait what

[timber elk]

huh? they arent for me

[blazing sail]

I don’t see them either

[lusty light]

Did you click live by accident 👀

[worn field]

no it's definitely beta

[blazing sail]

Oh wait

I see one now

[worn field]

it might be intentional though, i can get 3 swing spells from the quest giver

[blazing sail]

It’s like fading in and out

[worn field]

they might be testing that functionality

[blazing sail]

I saw it for a second

[worn field]

that's weird app

[lusty light]

Swing spells?

[blazing sail]

Now I don’t trust my eyes

It wasn’t there, then it was, then it wasn’t

[worn field]

i put a screenshot up in #beta-screenshots-videos

[blazing sail]

Yup the spirit is there

[vapid briar]

ohey there's an update

[blazing sail]

Wait another?

Wait is the season back?

Omg

I wasted my quests earlier

Gah

😭😭😭😭

[empty inlet]

i've never logged in after the season ended and now i see there's 6 days left

[lusty light]

Oh I did it again

I updated on my phone

But not my iPad

Therefore not seeing updates

[terse swift]

[blazing sail]

Wait so is the season extended?

[empty inlet]

nah

[blazing sail]

But it looks like it is

[worn field]

it says it's lasting for 6 more days in my game

[empty inlet]

ktjn typing

[empty river]

[vapid briar]

We had to turn it back on to test the spell acquisition from the Seasonal Quest NPC.

[empty inlet]

ok

[terse swift]

Ahh ok

[blazing sail]

Where are the candles lol

Omg

[empty river]

ooo gotcha

[blazing sail]

Forest?

[worn field]

can confirm, spell acquisition works for me

[blazing sail]

Don’t see them in prairie

[rich summit]

Dropped by to give the spells and now they’re gonna dip

[vapid briar]

so it's not an official extension, just some switch flipping and dial turning to make things work so y'all can test.

[empty inlet]

so

winter returns!

[blazing sail]

But we can get stuff we missed or nah?

[empty river]

oh the quest giver has a heart icon thingy

[worn field]

awww "Allows you to place a swing to chat with The One"

[blazing sail]

I can’t find the candles

[empty river]

the one

[worn field]

[blazing sail]

Joshur did you see actual candles?

Besides the one free one?

[worn field]

i haven't even checked

[blazing sail]

I don’t see them in prairie

[vapid briar]

the candles are probably not turned on, it's not relevant to what we're looking to test.

[blazing sail]

Aww

[empty inlet]

i have the candles mua ha ha

[blazing sail]

Whereeew

[vapid briar]

hence my saying it's not an official extension.

[empty inlet]

they just didn't convert lol

[blazing sail]

Don’t me go all the way to the end of forest to find out there not there

Whaaat

[empty inlet]

i never logged in

that account

[delicate grail]

!betafaq

[gilded parrot]

The iOS and Android betas are full at the moment. To join future beta invite waves, watch for announcements in #beta-announcements! Give yourself the beta role here by tapping the in #old-𝚛ules to be notified of important updates.

[blazing sail]

6x5 is only 30. Still can’t get much

[worn field]

remember beta's only for testing anyway

[blazing sail]

I didn’t even realize I got anything when I tapped on the heart 😂

That OK sticker seems a little passive aggressive

[worn field]

[blazing sail]

Heeeeey

[worn field]

[blazing sail]

Gonna start using it when I’ve tired of an argument

[dire rover]

Day of love swing

Season of Love confirmed

[livid ice]

[scenic imp]

traveling spirits are still arriving in beta, yes?

[timber ridge]

Ok, Lisa 😆

[worn field]

we don't know if any more travelling spirits will arrive in beta. it depends on TGC's testing needs.

[scenic imp]

hmm that makes sense

was wondering if the spirit for white gratitude cape has ever showed up in beta / might show in live if so haha

despite the pack

[livid ice]

No one knows

I’m still Sabine for it let’s just have hope

Saving *

[scenic imp]

i suppose i should have expected that answer! thanks, still :)

[livid ice]

Yeah TgC is full of surprises

I think is better that way tho :”0

[lusty light]

Ktjn said that the pack won’t affect traveling spirits but we won’t know what the traveling spirits are in advance

[scenic imp]

i'm mildly strapped for money and don't want to pay in live if it's coming eventually...even if i desperately want it aha

<3

[livid ice]

Agreed

[scenic imp]

i fall to my magpie tendencies so easily in sky it's hilarious

[livid ice]

Recommend u to save around 100 candles just in case

Maybe a little more

[scenic imp]

mhm. i have 100 right now, gonna keep doing candle runs

thanks!

[terse swift]

gaaah someone keeps knocking me off my swing and won’t let me back on

[dire rover]

wHaT dO yOu mEaN bEtA dOeSnT cArRy oVeR tO liVe?

[worn field]

please submit feedback velocitie

[scenic imp]

bullies on the playground

[lusty light]

Tgc please let my 300+ gift passes carry over to live

[livid ice]

Hahahahahah

Yessss

😂

[terse swift]

I just want to swing on my swing peacefully brb gunna submit a report

aw geez now they’re teasing me cuz I can’t get back on sigh this kinda sucks

[dire rover]

https://tenor.com/view/expensive-too-much-how-much-shopping-shocked-gif-14918803

When you see the price of the love swing

[blazing sail]

It is weird you can knock people off seats

[dire rover]

communism swing of love Swing of Communism

[terse swift]

I shouldn’t be so persistent but this dude has been at me for about 15 mins now

He won’t give up knocking me off my swing

Oops

[icy falcon]

just move the swing when he steals it

[lusty light]

@terse swift I am coming to save you

[terse swift]

I wasn’t expecting back up reinforcements

[empty river]

i will peck them lemme at 'em

[sacred sigil]

Sorry for being this kinda of person, y'all think the swing is worth 25 dollars? Like yeh I just might not get it, dosen't bother me this much, is more the idea of chargin 25 dollars for an item that sounds a little abusive for me, idk maybe I'm the boring person here

[dire rover]

Swing definitely isnt' worth it but they're marketing to whales who in the mobile games economy are 95% of their income

[stoic ocean]

This may not be the final price- just be aware of that

[worn field]

it's what allows the game to be F2P

[haughty vigil]

hi whats the days of love swing

like what is it

[sacred sigil]

Still is not an excuse, in my opinion

[haughty vigil]

what does it do

[dire rover]

Imo it's expensive, but they recon it's what people who would want it would pay anyways

[blazing sail]

If they were marketing to whales, they’d be selling things for hundreds.

[dire rover]

Most of it is final price just saying

No see lol, their strategy is not to be "greedy", it's to be a little greedy lmao

[stoic ocean]

I’ve seen a price change with everything they’ve released since September.

[dire rover]

Jenova has talked about this on camera before

[worn field]

finn the swing is an actual swingset that you can place down like a table. you can sit on it and swing, and chat with anyone who sits on the other seat.

app they are selling things for hundreds, just not all at once, spread across multiple purchases. but i guess that's not really what you meant.

[tawny prairie]

well this is more dolphin marketing’s tbh

small payments overtime to lead to big payments

If your not watching your money

[sacred sigil]

Yeh like if the price is a little more cheap more people would surely but it. Just think it's a little abusive just saying, and its important to complain, with no complaints things will not change, like it isn't written in stone, but still important to give your opinion

[haughty vigil]

my friend has spent $200 on this game LMAO

[blazing sail]

I especially don’t like the price combined with the limited availability. It encourages compulsive spending. Bc you can’t think about it too long.

[haughty vigil]

^^

[worn field]

i understand, but i wouldn't call it abusive, because you're not forced to buy it. it's totally optional, doesn't make the game P2W or anything.

[tawny prairie]

Tbh I think they need to work on their pricing though

[simple willow]

Everything is all based off the user

[blazing sail]

I guess that’s why the founders cape isn’t as bothersome? It’s always there if you decide one day you can spare the money

[sacred sigil]

Like I'm all about spending some money in the game, if worth

[haughty vigil]

honestly i love all cosmetics, seasonal and non . jus an added bonus tht my bf buys the pass for me everytime

[tawny prairie]

This is an app game and that’s one item. When 25$ is a dlc on other games

and I understand 25$ is fine to some but it seems off to me as one item

[haughty vigil]

^^

like

if its +hearts and candles

[tawny prairie]

this is coming from a whale

[haughty vigil]

then sure that can add to the 25

[simple willow]

I do think they should lower the price a little or at least add a candle bundle to it if they want to keep it 25

[haughty vigil]

^^

[sacred sigil]

I think is abusive, it's a item that you will not get any other way, so people invested in the game fell a little abused

[blazing sail]

Candles don’t make it better

[haughty vigil]

imo like . 10-15 is okay alone

[tawny prairie]

Or maybe hearts since this is vday

[worn field]

reminder to submit feedback in #beta-feedback (keep it constructive and respectful tho)

[haughty vigil]

but anything upwards of that it should add hearrts & candles to add to the worth

[blazing sail]

I’m just so confused by their choices

[tawny prairie]

I need to put together feed back as in what I wanna say

I don’t even know what to write there since we can’t edit after

[blazing sail]

Like, every time they seem to be going in the right direction, they do a 180.

[tawny prairie]

I kinda just want some feedback on their pricing decisions?

[blazing sail]

They brought back older seasonal spirits for people who missed them. That helps with the FOMO

[tawny prairie]

like is it because it costs them a lot to make

[blazing sail]

But then they add another expensive item for only a few days that you miss out on if you hesitate.

I just don’t get it

[tawny prairie]

like I’m very very glad they listen to feedback tho

[simple willow]

That’s with any game if you really think about it though

[tawny prairie]

cocoppa dolls charges 30$ per one gacha event spin so

[blazing sail]

Yeah but I wouldn’t be playing Sky if it was like every other F2P game

And every time they take a step closer, it turns me off

[sacred sigil]

How much was the bat cape ? And the santa heat ? And the pupiking heat ?

[haughty vigil]

bat was 15ish

same w the christmas

i think

[simple willow]

It’s really not though, this is beta too y’all nothing is set in stone in here

[blazing sail]

Christmas hat was $7

[tawny prairie]

yes nothing is set in stone ^^

[blazing sail]

Again, I thought they were taking feedback to heart with the Santa hat

And yet here we are again

[tawny prairie]

but this is discussion

[simple willow]

True

[tawny prairie]

And I’m trying to figure out my feedback haha

I still need to play with the item

[blazing sail]

Well.... so far no items have dropped in price from beta to live

The bat cape actually went up in price

[sacred sigil]

Its important to show what we fell

[tawny prairie]

yup

[blazing sail]

And to keep saying “it’s beta” when people complain about the price doesn’t help.

[sacred sigil]

And friend pass too

I would have bought the 3 friends one

But it whent up

Didn't bought

[pine iron]

Hi ignis 😄

[haughty vigil]

yeah

like

for me

single pass is 15

3 pass is 30.

[sacred sigil]

Hi euno ^^

[simple willow]

When was that?

[haughty vigil]

in previous seasons it was only 20

[sacred sigil]

To me singles pass is 37

Before friends pass was 55

Now is 75

[rancid portal]

the price went up bc now gifted people get the 20 bonus candles. isn't that good?

i mean yeah price bumps suck but its for a good reason

[sacred sigil]

Huge difference

[tawny prairie]

Yes I don’t mind that price

[blazing sail]

The single pass is 1000

Pennies

[dire rover]

Imo if the price changes from 25 to 20 usd it's not any difference to me. Sure a designer made the swing and it's a swing, it's still 20 bucks for an item in a mobile game. In apex legends on consoles and pc people are complaining about 18 bucks for a full legendary skin. It's very unethical to have 25 bucks for a swing be a thing, especially with how they market the game (disclaimer: my own opinion)

Now 10-15 I can start digest

if it's 10 I'm like "yeah this might be something, it's a little cool maybe I'll get it"

[sacred sigil]

Yes that is a good side indeed since I have not bought didn't got the chance to see kkkkkk

[sand dawn]

So, is it just me or are there no seasonal candles?

[tawny prairie]

the season is done isn’t it

[dire rover]

Guys remember though: It's a game about giving. You have to GIFT hearts to other players. It's about the gift of giving.

Now gift us your money so you can have this cute swing $25 should do it come on we dont have all day

[sand dawn]

I am seeing the season is back

[rancid portal]

ktjn said it was only turned back on to test smth with a spirit, or something like that

[sacred sigil]

Seasonal candles are not there, they are just testing the spirt

[sand dawn]

Ah pff ok

[tawny prairie]

Which spirit is getting tested

[haughty vigil]

remember the invisible cape

[sand dawn]

I thought they might be nice to thrm beta’s and allow us to finish the season in beta

[blazing sail]

It’s the quest giver

[vapid briar]

Chat moves so fast and there are many, many of you and only one of me. I beg for y'all to take the time and post your thoughts (positive or negative) in #beta-feedback We are still iterating on this event and your feedback is greatly appreciated.

[blazing sail]

S/he gives out swing spells now

[haughty vigil]

owowowoowo ?????????????????

[tawny prairie]

Ohhh I was thinking the actual seasonals

[blazing sail]

Ktjn, it’s hard with the current feedback thread. Have to save all your thoughts for one comment bc you can’t edit it.

[tawny prairie]

Yup that’s what I’m doing in a note pad

[sand dawn]

Or you just pop another one

[tawny prairie]

Writing everything done so I can copy paste later

[blazing sail]

Two hours later

[lusty light]

That’s really the whole point though

To have you really think about your feedback and make sure it’s constructive

[blazing sail]

Well, that’s why everyone’s leaving their feedback here instead

[dire rover]

screencapping the entire discord log and posting it in #beta-feedback

[lusty light]

Before people were writing unconstructive feedback and being biased based on what they saw others say in the feedback channel so this change was necessary

[sand dawn]

And now they will write based off the discussion here, I don’t see the difference

Other than this is even more chaotic

[vapid briar]

the slowmode is much shorter now.

[blazing sail]

I mean, I wrote one thought earlier and then couldn’t add to it for two hours. So it’s kind of discouraging.

[dire rover]

They need some kind of restriction so people don't post their entire tumbler fanfiction as feedback that's missing from the game

[blazing sail]

Is it shorter than 2 hours now?

[sand dawn]

Reading others well fleshed out opinions helps many to form their own

[dire rover]

But I mean a lot of the moves they pull with the cash items they sell are really questionable

[sand dawn]

That got taken away now

[dire rover]

I still haven't bought the founders cape because it's so extraordinarly expensive

This is a mobile game. It will disappear in five-seven years

[worn field]

it seems to be 15 minutes now App

[blazing sail]

Ah ok. That’s doable then

[dire rover]

It's not like people don't buy diamonds in mobile games but it's also like, a choice of smaller amounts of them. Here it's take it or leave it- in a game about collecting cosmetics

[vapid briar]

Honestly, the feedback posted after the change is a lot more thoughtful and less vitriolic than before. Players had started to feel uncomfortable with the kinds of angry posts being left in there. While that feedback still has value, it's now only visible by TGC.

[dire rover]

(mechanically that is the point of the game)

[sand dawn]

I only bought it because I said I would if they brought back gratitude, and, yay they did, and free to boot, so I gave them that..

[lusty light]

You shouldn’t base your own feedback from what you see others say

It’s about what you think

[dire rover]

Yeah write your own paragraphs about why the swing movement is causing motion sickness

[sand dawn]

I do that

[storm vessel]

If swing restore wing power it will be useful

[sand dawn]

I form my own opinion, but tbh, I think personally, My opinion gets softer reading others, as opposed to harder

[tawny prairie]

Well my sky kid is afraid of heights so swing set 1/10 for me

[vapid briar]

That's why the discussion channels are a free-for-all. Active dialogue is good! Feedback is meant to be more of a summary of the experience instead of a gut reaction.

[sand dawn]

I guess I’m opposite to most in that way..

[dire rover]

I can see new messages posted to beta-feedback btw(not the post history), maybe check off the "read messages" permission tab

[sand dawn]

I feel like the swing is poorly worked out, your skykid just sort of swings on it’s own (instead of you controlling the movement) and you cannot even jump off in a visually appealing way

And don’t even get me started on the price.

[dire rover]

Since the items are interactive and that's literally all you do ingame after standing around emoting with your friends, it's basically pay 2 win

pay 2 hav it nice

[sand dawn]

Swing pay to win? Hardly, it doesn’t do anything useful (or fun imo)

[dire rover]

Collectors item in an item collection game

pretty pay 2 win imo

item collection is the true endgame after you collect your weekly ascended candles and realize there's nothing to spend them on

[sand dawn]

Only one winner if players buy it, TGC, sell 4 and it’s 100 bucks!

[worn field]

there are plenty of items and cosmetics available for everyone, and I continue to have fun messing around with friends and exploring the world. that's my experience.

[vapid briar]

A lot of things you ask for Lilichi aren't feasible in our game engine, when we make items it's working within parameters that abide by the game's engine and its own laws of physics. We're a small indie company, we don't have unlimited staff and resources, so we have to create things within a certain scope.

[sand dawn]

Then don’t go for a swing, if it’s nit feasible to actually make it fun

No offense

There are other options

[tawny prairie]

do I wish the swing was prettier? Ya. Am I happy about the swing though? Yes, I think it’s a cute idea

[dire rover]

The pricing is interesting though. Staff definitely has meetings discussing both amongst themselves and with accounting and marketing staff.

The idea of:
expensive item > sell less, not make "as much money", more exclusive
vs
cheaper item > sell more, ultimately make more money, less exclusive

is a cool topic of discussion

[vapid briar]

The swing is a fun item, but maybe not for you and that's okay. Hopefully we make something the future that you do find fun.

[dire rover]

They 100% have metrics and track this very closely, and they have most likely found from surveying stats that items still sell within their margins and they're trying to min-max what they can push prices for, while their artists try to create better items.

We also have to remember that they did add things that actually make sense, like the fireplace

[sand dawn]

Yeah, definitely feels like min-maxing price

[dire rover]

The adventure passes are great as you have a sense of discovery and progression. Access to content but it's an easter egg hunt. That gives the player a massive sense of accomplishment

An item that just costs a lot? Not at all

That's what they're surveying right now.

This feedback is unvaluable to them

[vapid briar]

This is our first live game, first free game, and first game with IAP. We are absolutely learning as we go which is why we have beta and ask for feedback.

[dire rover]

You're doing a good job ktjn, you don't have to answer much here either really when we're discussing the cashshop stuff

[blazing sail]

The campfire is so useful that I was sad when I saw the swings replace it on my back. Since it got added to my emotes list right away, I thought for a second it was a new kind of item

One that doesn’t take up a slot

Then I saw the swing on my back 😞

[sand dawn]

I’lll ...you know.. Ktjn.. I am sorry if I am harsh

[vapid briar]

That's why we ask questions and try things. Sometimes we hit a homerun and sometimes we hit ourselves in the face with the bat. We're human and every single person at this studio cares so much to create a good experience.

[tawny prairie]

yes yes , tbh we just care too much sometimes

[blazing sail]

Yeah, but these limited time pricy items just rub me the wrong way.

[sand dawn]

I mean, I know I can b.. it’s just that.. I am salty atm because .. well.. it’s in the feedback channel.. I am missing something I had a lot of fun with and definitely wasn’t done with..

[dire rover]

I really wish the fireplace replaced the table, but that's an item that's been in the game for a long time and the sense of ownership of long term owners of the table likely will cause an adverse reaction if it's replaced, so I understand why it was added as a seasonal item in that sense. But it was put in and it's wonderful

[blazing sail]

Bc you’re not giving players time to even think through their purchase

If they think too long, it’s gone

[dire rover]

Most of the single priced items are just not worth it. They're asking for 20-30% of a single AAA game worth for something like a swing

[sand dawn]

I love sky a lot... and .. that’s why I can get this fierce about it..

[tawny prairie]

wait does the swing set allow you to chat?

haven’t seen someone to try that

[dire rover]

Imo because TGC is such a respected company much like CD Project Red, it's held to a higher standard as well. It's like when Nintendo added the 250cc mode behind a paywall in their mobile mariokart game

[worn field]

yes it does corgi

[tawny prairie]

okay great

[blazing sail]

You can chat. You hear everyone on their swings

[dire rover]

It's not the same economy and you can't just slide into the appstore's DM's and be all "hey we're respected company X can we get in on these super shady prices schemes as well?"

[blazing sail]

It lets you snoop

[dire rover]

Also when a swing is the same price as the entire Journey game... I mean what are we really doing

[storm vessel]

I think if it heal wings the price is ok, but if doesn't it should be cheaper...

[dire rover]

$25 dollars should be an entire "rebuild the broken swingset" questline with unique NPC's and separate world section

$5 is like "oh cool a swingset, neat I'll add it to the collection"

[sand dawn]

It’s because the game looks so good that I expect it to be able to do X, while it seems, good looks and complex mechanics are far from the same

[storm vessel]

So you prefer to have it as ultimate reward? @dire rover

[dire rover]

The swing?