@stoic badger There are tons of videos of beta/soft from before April of people flying. Not sure how likely it is that there are some of people explaining the flight mechanics. No one expected the control to change so they may not have thought of documenting them.
#beta-discussion
hybrid wedge
stoic badger
Not surprising, this game changed a lot even up to it’s release. I’ll see if i can dig some up 👌
lusty light
@exotic needle read the #590700594662998016 on how to join beta in the future
humble fossil
Found a few (very short due to the 8Mb limit) videos of flying before the big update
trim skiff
Aw I miss the old flight controls 💔
humble fossil
And I really hope they smooth the new version of this transition so it's more like it used to be
viscid dragon
Lordy Aviary is so beautiful. I started playing shortly after it was removed.
humble fossil
Ahh sorry to hear that. The bgm was so beautiful and soothing😌 Hopefully it will return as well when or if they bring back Aviary
spark lance
Tailsun, when looking out into the distance from the Aviary toward Wasteland, you could see krill moving. It was one of those amazing small details that thrilled me.
viscid dragon
About the flying - visually, it looks quite similar in feel to what we have now, except you have the ability to actually pitch up and gain altitude which seems very nice (but I understand balance reasons for nerfing it - with 7 or 8 wedges it feels pretty good). The biggest difference to me looks like the transitions are much smoother, which you pointed out. A lot less ‘jerky’ overall.
I also started playing right when they starting tweaking the flight controls so it’s impossible for me to remember what it was like, really. It felt like I was getting used to it from scratch each week 😜
@spark lance That’s amazing. Just from that video it looks like a much better start to the journey, like it’s actually part of the world and you can start thinking about all the things you’ll see. The current home space is weird in that it’s entirely disconnected from everything.
humble fossil
Agreed. It feels too out of place to have it stranded in the middle of the sea with a small wind border around
spark lance
Yah so why is Home disconnected, but all other areas are connected?
Maybe it’s connected via an underwater umbilical cord.
hybrid wedge
They said one reason for the new home space was to encourage people to play the levels instead of hanging out not playing, and I have to say I never want to linger in the new home because it feels so cramped and away from everything, so I guess that worked? 
viscid dragon
The levels didn’t have any transitions when I started either which was extra weird, I was so happy when they were put in.
spark lance
Hahha so now we crowd onto the constellation stone ....
viscid dragon
@hybrid wedge Yeah, I’ve always thought that explanation is pretty funny
humble fossil
I get the point of having players actually play the game but with Avi I could stay for hours just talking with friends after a whole farm and it would just feel like home
hybrid wedge
@viscid dragon re: transitions in flying — yep.
viscid dragon
There are a couple hangout spots I enjoy in the levels themselves, but one big problem is that they aren’t ‘central’ so you aren’t going to have that fun feeling of friends dropping in and out unless they explicitly teleport to you. We were hanging out in the Prairie space earlier today and that was excellent - and funnily enough, it looks a lot like Aviary Jr.
spark lance
Time has shown we use Home pretty consistently for certain activities. Time to redesign for that. It’s like the university that waited to see where students walked before adding paved sidewalks.
viscid dragon
Honestly home just needs some more breathing room, and maybe a toggle to make it private if you just want to log in and send your light blessings before getting into a social situation. I can imagine lots of little things that would make it so much more functional as a ‘home’ space (little side rooms/caves for hanging out/music practice, some more verticality for messing around with flight, etc), but I guess that starts making it too good to hang out in
Maybe the constellation stone could be a ‘private bubble’ and you are always alone when standing on it. I’ve noticed sometimes it sort of functions like that when you spawn, and you are alone until you step off of it, but it’s not consistent
rich tundra
Man, that aviary looked so open and breathtaking. If only they could at least implement a portion of that back into the game ><
barren grail
The final corridor is a curse!!! I couldn’t complete much or new even what to do and I’m back down to only 2 wing upgrades. I have no access to the other realms or anything.
lusty light
@barren grail seems like you’re in eden, you need to finish the level
Also any further discussion about eden goes in #eden-spoilers
wary idol
@viscid dragon as a regular player, that sounds very amazing, especially when you’ve replayed the game several times, you’ve got more things to do rather than just sit on a tiny island. If the former home space still existed, using the hide n sneak would be very fun ha
viscid dragon
@wary idol Totally! It's tough because I can see where TGC is coming from in that they'd like us to actually hang out in the levels rather than the home space, but there's something about a central area that doesn't have any beginning or end, or candles to grind, etc that is much more natural for a laid back social environment.
Generally people are all business in most of the levels. I find Prairie the easiest to hang out and meet new people in - the others have quite a bit going on and most seem to keep their eyes on the prize, so to speak
hollow compass
That’s amazing. Just from that video it looks like a much better start to the journey, like it’s actually part of the world and you can start thinking about all the things you’ll see. The current home space is weird in that it’s entirely disconnected from everything. (Tailsun) THIS A HUNDRED TIMES!
Good morning, btw.
Like many above, I agree that new Home feels...well, almost unwelcoming. It's too small for gatherings (and the game crashes more often there than in other places, probably because it just gets overloaded), it's not private enough for when you just want to send some lights/hearts and change outfits without having to be social, it feels disconnected from the different areas.
I miss that space for connecting with people, if you needed companions. Too often I find that those who put up a table aren't interested in randoms joining or they just want to troll and be annoying.
Personally, I never stop at the hubs, because once I've entered a portal I am already on my way. So sadly, I find myself playing alone most of the time, unless there is an organised party on Discord.
hollow compass
@dire rover please don’t chat in the bug channels. Post a reply here (for example) and @ the person.
@radiant badger it’s better if you edit your original post instead of adding info in a separate post.
vapid drum
I totally forgot if the old aviary was able to handle more then 8 people 🤔
humble fossil
I'm pretty sure it was still only 8 people in Avi, but it definitely felt more open and thus had a greater feeling of fitting more people
vapid drum
Ah yeah , and people came and go maybe that’s why it looked more crowded.
stoic badger
I like the more open space in Aviary, but i really like how the levels flow into each other in a more natural manner now, something that doesn’t fit as well when Aviary acts as the single hub for level travelling like it’s an old-school platformer. If i were to choose between level hubs with seamless level transitions or the old aviary, id pick the former.
Still would like a better Home space and a better way to organize and travel between locations though
dire rover
Thought I put it here @hollow compass !
hybrid wedge
@vapid drum the max the game can put in a single instance is 8 people, so it has never been more than 8 in Aviary or anywhere else.
vapid drum
@hybrid wedge yes , but I wasn’t sure anymore but people just came and went the whole time so it looked like more
Technically there were never more then 8
hybrid wedge
@dire rover if my device didn’t explode from the sensory overload my head definitely would XD
hybrid wedge
Backreading a bit—Has it been confirmed that Winter is for sure the next season?
radiant drum
No
spark lance
No, Tim said it would be new
radiant drum
Not as the next season
spark lance
I am so excited!
hybrid wedge
It wouldn’t not make sense, but I’ve already been hearing Christmas music in some stores 
and it would be nice to not have snowflakes and skis ASAP.
hollow compass
I’m kind of thinking it won’t be, for some reason. Especially since we’ve already tested it.
radiant drum
Oh really? I don’t remember they confirmed it would be new either
spark lance
OMG Nagati so true!
Tim said they’re excited to show the new season
think it was in the context of the next one
radiant drum
I want the winter season asap because I need that manta cape
spark lance
which is why we’re going to test it
hybrid wedge
Huh, if Tim said it would be new I’m wondering what all the earlier Winter conversation was about. Or maybe some people are really burnt out 🥁 by summer weather
spark lance
I need the black pants!
radiant drum
But I would also love if winter ran during my winter in about a year just to contradict
hybrid wedge
I....don’t need the pants. But I did regret in beta that I didn’t get the capes.
spark lance
that beautiful blue floaty cape oooooo
hybrid wedge
@radiant drum I know! I feel bad for the half of the planet whose season get ignored XD
spark lance
oh the donut thighs pants ... yeah
hybrid wedge
@hollow compass did they mention any hints at all about the next season?
@radiant drum it’s okay me neither. The others can have them
I wonder if there will be any new collectibles this time around though.
In addition to the old ones of course.
lusty light
Even more pants
hybrid wedge
_>
radiant drum
I want unique emotes
hybrid wedge
I can’t wait to get 
and 
back.
lusty light
Ummmm what about 
hybrid wedge
Also that.
Esp the L3 dance
I’ll wear my bell bottoms, Afro, and sideburn mask and amaze all the kids with my disco moves.
radiant drum
And maybe a complete the constellation prize too
hybrid wedge
Was there not one? I forget.
radiant drum
Nope
hollow compass
Oops, sorry. Had to go finish a build in Minecraft.
So, my theory is that we will get to test a completely new season in beta soon, since we already effectively tested Winter.
hybrid wedge
We did test winter but they changed a lot about the seasons after it ran the first time.
hollow compass
But I do so miss the Winter capes and the piano.
That’s true, I suppose.
Otoh, won’t they just be able to change it around to be like Gratitude?
spark lance
I’d like to have the Winter boots to wear with our current pants .. actually knee high black boots
hybrid wedge
Maybe? ^^
lusty light
You know isn’t it kind of funny the two season we’ve tested we’ve ended up being sick of
spark lance
boots that recharge
lusty light
3 months of winter
hybrid wedge
But aren’t some of the old Winter song sheets available in normal emote constellations now?
lusty light
3 runs of gratitude
hybrid wedge
I will be grateful to eventually try a new season
spark lance
that’s a much shorter winter than RL here haha
hollow compass
I thought music sheets 1 and 2 were Winter?
hybrid wedge
I don’t know, I haven’t gotten them yet haha
lofty olive
Halloween themed maybe?
lusty light
I think all 6 sheets at the time were winter?
lofty olive
Oops sorry replying to an earlier message. Didn't scroll haha
hollow compass
I can’t find sheet 6, btw.
lusty light
You probably need to buy it
hybrid wedge
I dunno Ren, they’ve said before that they won’t do “traditional” seasons. Not sure if that includes holidays.
hybrid wedge
Yeah, that was the first time song sheets were introduced, so it would make sense if those at least changed in Winter v. 2.0.
Agreed Belpita. It would be nice if predominantly American cultural touchstones didn’t dominate the game.
hollow compass
^^
hollow compass
No, no creepiness in this game, please.
spark lance
Holidays could be tricky in a global community
hybrid wedge
Nah. That would probably fall flat for the millions of other players who live in countries where Halloween isn’t a thing.
hybrid wedge
Maybe the anniversary of the release could someday be a Sky holiday?
shy nest
Oooo that would be fun :))
hollow compass
I also don't think Halloween would fit with the general aesthetic of the game.
If anything, I would like something with flowers and butterflies
like a flower crown
radiant drum
That would be so cute!
I’ve always wanted to wear a flower or carry a flower and give my friends flowers
Just give me flowers TGC
hollow compass
it would also tie in nicely with previous games
hybrid wedge
It would be so awesome to gift flowers.
hollow compass
awwww!
how many spots are there in the closets?
I counted the instruments and it seems there would be two empty spots (for Winter piano and whatever else we got in that?)
hybrid wedge
I don’t remember anymore. Piano was the only instrument.
hollow compass
someone posted a bug report saying they got the Winter piano sound on the regular piano suddenly
hang on, I found a video with all cosmetics before the reset! I'll go check
hybrid wedge
Yeah, but I wonder if that was just a bgm key change. It goes quite high in Wasteland temple.
hollow compass
it's hilarious how out of tune the instruments can sound in the "wrong" area
ok, so the video only had 10 instruments, including the chair and fireworks staff
only Winter piano visible
but there were 3 pants, because the quest giver had a pair, didn't he?
is anyone concerned how active beta will be?
for example, I'm worried we can't fully test the economy if there is no one around to like your messages and give you hearts
lusty light
Well I don’t think we have to test the economy anymore that’s just what they said to do for that beta wave
We’ll need to test the season next
radiant drum
I think when the season starts more people will be active
Because there’s nothing to do there really that we can’t do in live at the moment
hollow compass
well, they did mention that they are looking at re-doing parts of the economy, since they noticed the focus on hearts and "levelling up" that happened when the game launched live
but hopefully it will just be some balancing and not a reset
calm bloom
I have a question. What does it mean when on Testflight says it expires in x amount of days?
spark lance
All new beta versions published have a 90-day expiration date, but TGC always publishes an update long before that date.
calm bloom
Ah, so it doesn’t mean that my invitation expires?
spark lance
That’s correct
lusty light
You only lose access if tgc revokes your access
spark lance
Or you tap on the Stop Testing button in TestFlight
So even if you take a break from the beta, don’t tap that button LOL
At one point though TGC culled users who had been inactive for a long period, so it’s good to at least log into the beta regularly. And no, we don’t know what that period of inactivity was.
dire rover
I heard they flooded their offices while testing the new season so imo it's pretty confirmed the next season is Season of Water
(I'm just replying to older stuff)
hollow compass
well, I'm glad someone thought their own joke was funny
dire rover
nocturne zodiac
Is there a beta for Mac yet?
nocturne zodiac
oh
frigid scarab
Is there any place to apply for beta testing? Either testing and bug reporting new content on iOS or testing for other platforms.
hybrid wedge
@frigid scarab Keep an eye on #beta-announcements for now. TGC will announce there when they’re ready to make more spaces available.
frigid scarab
@hybrid wedge Thank you!
trail adder
Was this guy at the back wearing the beta cape?
stoic badger
@trail adder Mhmm
hollow compass
yes, we're everywhere... 😎
harsh rain
What’s the beta cape look like?
lusty light
@harsh rain
dapper nimbus
Ooooooo
calm bloom
Is that from Journey?
storm flicker
Ooo that’s cool 😎
So if we are already in beta still! where are they gonna send out the invite for the beta seasonal just curious I always ask in advance so I don’t miss out!
radiant drum
Information about the invites will be announced in #beta-discussion, but we don’t know when that will be. There’s more information about that in the #590700594662998016 ^^
unreal crypt
For the test flight beta before initial release, is there now a cape in the game for beta testers?
hollow compass
Yes
empty osprey
So was the beta 'Light Awaits' like a updated version of 'Children of Light'
spark lance
Its more of a slightly buggier version tbh
empty osprey
I was asking because the hub looks so beautiful I was wondering why they scraped it. Or maybe they'll use it in a update in the future?
unreal crypt
@hollow compass where do you find it/get it?
spark lance
Theyve said they want to bring it back at some point, though we dont know how yet
@unreal crypt The beta cape was given to people directly, so as of now I dont know if itll be given out again
unreal crypt
I was on the beta for a couple of months prior to release and haven’t received it yet mmm @spark lance
spark lance
Did you ask TGC for help in game?
hollow compass
@unreal crypt you can read about the requirements in the #beta-announcements channel
@empty osprey Light Awaits was the Soft launch in a few select countries. It was updated to be the same as the CA version and is now not being used. (Except in China? Unclear about that.)
lusty light
Yeah China has a different version of the app by a different publisher
candid ridge
Why tho
empty osprey
Man that sucks i was hoping that the beta version would be like a huge update in the future around the winter season.
radiant drum
Sky: Light Awaits and the beta version are separate things. LA was the softlaunch live version that eventually became what we have now globally, the beta version still exists and will receive updates to be tested before they get released on live
viscid dragon
@empty osprey It was mentioned on the last dev stream that the new season will be rolling out for testing on beta as soon as the current season is over, which is a pretty big update in my book!
empty osprey
That is good tbh!! How do you try for beta testing? Do you have to apply?
lusty light
Check the #590700594662998016! Any updates will be in #beta-announcements
solar dragon
Yes, confirming what @viscid dragon said - a new Beta patch to test the new season will be arriving after the Season of Gratitude is over. New players will have the opportunity to join the Beta when we get to this point. More details coming soon - stay tuned! We will share news in #beta-announcements.
spark lance
o
sounds like they'll cap their beta at 7-10k or keep at 7k and kick out some people
doesn't sound like they've disclosed any of those details
it's more of a logical assumption
since aeri said
"New players will have the opportunity to join the Beta when we get to this point."
which then the only two options
since beta is full
would have to be either to increase beta size to cap 7-10k
or kick some people
or maybe they can also make another app with connected servers but that gets to the point where it's speculation rather than actual theorizing
oh they can also just kick everyone out and make everyone start new
which is also speculation
also doubtful
hybrid wedge
I will never look forward to the month of September, but at least there will be something new and exciting to distract me from the unofficial end of summer
empty inlet
I’m more interested in what bug is fix than the seasonal event in the next update
also i found the experience could be very awful when player’s network connection with the server is not very stable
the game stop trying to reach out for others, or sometimes you see strangers, but your friends are impossible to join you
and your friends’ game can be very likely to crash
hollow compass
hopefully, we'll be able to test the server issues in the beta, despite it being a smaller amount of players
the disconnecting didn't happen much in beta, it really only appeared in the Live launch
empty inlet
ohh one more thing, please remove all debug related functions in release. someone already did it, if devs are watching
umbral glade
@random cape Are you using low energy mode in the game? Does iOS low power mode help? Which device?
analog violet
Henlo
dire rover
Maybe we will get to see some of this soon
random cape
@umbral glade oops my bad I didn't realize this was for the beta lmao
umbral glade
No worries! My questions stand in terms of help if you want it, but now I’m less interested in them for TGC’s benefit. 😄
spark lance
watch the season be totally different than what we expect
spark lance
Great! although that doesn't mean anything since who knows what anyone expects.
hopefully there's some twist this season
hybrid wedge
Chuck Berry sheet music 🕺
spark lance
how about pewdiepie's congratulations
lusty light
What does that have to do with sky beta
spark lance
"hopefully there's some twist this season"
you never know what there'll be lol
suggesting random ideas
hollow compass
@analog violet please don't use the #beta-bugs-ios channel for chatting
analog violet
Ok
hollow compass
was there something you needed help with?
analog violet
I just say henlo
hollow compass
the #beta-bugs-ios channel is for reporting bugs, not chatting. If you want to say hello you can do that here, if it's something concerning beta or else in any of the other chat channels on the server
little swan
lusty light
They haven’t changed anything relating to the economy yet
dire rover
The news say differently @lusty light
nova crystal
lololol
proven trout
if they are testing the new season in the beta, do the beta testers essentially get the pass for free in order to do so? in the beta that is, i know it doesnt carry over
solar dragon
The Adventure Pass in the Beta does not cost; only in the live game.
proven trout
ah wonderful, thank you aeri ^^
fluid gazelle
For those that are already part of the current beta, will we also need to rejoin the beta or will we just receive an update for the beta we have in TestFlight currently?
ocean garden
Hopefully i can nab the beta this time
viscid dragon
@fluid gazelle Everyone will need to rejoin
solar dragon
Yes, what Tailsun said - everyone, including current Beta members, will have to join through this link. But we will not be blasting this link via our newsletter this time, which should help it not fill up as quickly.
spark lance
will you ping everyone?
ocean garden
Will there be a beta gift like the beta cape or was that a one time thing?
solar dragon
The Beta reward was a one-time thing for the testing period prior to our iOS global launch. The team may explore different incentives for continued testing at a later time, though.
ocean garden
Ah ok. Thanks 💕
haughty vigil
'During the week of September 3rd,' does this mean like ,,, itll be shared on sept 3rd or ,,
uneven cape
^^ and i also have a q: since as far as i'm aware, beta is an app, will we be able to download it on multiple devices? 'cuz i have sky on my phone but i prefer to play on my iPad :0
lusty light
yes you can download beta on multiple devices
it's synced to game center like the live app
uneven cape
noice, thanks!
opal smelt
so where is the link and when does it release?
lusty light
read #beta-announcements
tired lichen
So from what I understand, all previous beta testers are kicked out and will have to rejoin again through this link
lusty light
Yes we were :0
tired lichen
oh we had to click the newsletter to rejoin
arctic pecan
offt hmm
idk if i could join since i only have one device to play on and the fact that there’ll be a lot of beta testers
lusty light
You don't need multiple devices
Beta and live are separate so you can have both installed at the same time
arctic pecan
ooo ok thanks 🙏 !
strange forge
Are they different apps but share the same game center profile?
hybrid wedge
@strange forge You can link them to whichever GC profiles you like, and they don’t necessarily need to be the same.
strange forge
Thanks. And will we be able to test it on MacOS?
hybrid wedge
MacOS is a different system and it’s been on hold for a long time. We can probably assume that it will remain on hold til we get an announcement that says otherwise.
strange forge
Hope there'll be more detail about new beta soon 🙂
hollow compass
Sad news indeed. I wish they didn't go the public route, given how that went last time. Plus, that so many people seem to think that beta is some sort of prestige event that will grant you special items and rewards.
I mean, how many people are on this server? It's going to fill up within minutes.
arctic pecan
more like seconds to me
brisk dragon
Hello everyone,just want to know do I need to download Testflight from Appstore to access August 27 beta?
hollow compass
Also, wasn't there once a waiting list of sorts, where you signed up to get an invite? What happened to that?
@brisk dragon you will probably get more info later on, so watch the #news channel
brisk dragon
@hollow compass Thank you.
hollow compass
@arctic pecan yeah, I was trying to be relatively positive
@brisk dragon wait, hang on, what did you ask exactly...August 27?
brisk dragon
Yeah if I remember right it say August 27
arctic pecan
oh for the Beta Wipe
brisk dragon
Yes, thank you, my misunderstanding
hollow compass
well, you won't need TestFlight for the wipe, no
I mean, wiping access means you don't have...access
brisk dragon
@hollow compass thats great
hollow compass
did you play beta before?
brisk dragon
no
since thatgamecompany send those beta players blue cape I don’t want to miss this beta again
brisk dragon
do I lose anything play beta?
hollow compass
IT SHOULD BE AN HONOUR TO PLAY BETA AND YOU HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO TEST THINGS
agile badge
what’s the difference in beta and non-beta? 🥺
hollow compass
beta is a testing ground for new features and ideas that TGC may want to implement in the Live version
the whole point of beta is to TEST THINGS to make sure they work in the Live version
brisk dragon
and teat things and get some gifts is also great, even I really want the gift I do help test things in beta, whats your point
spark lance
its more than just gifts
hollow compass
wow
arctic pecan
i would love to find any errors in the game ( honestly would be funny if i find any weird ones )
after all i’m doing 3D animation so wouldn’t mind to help ( also i’m online most of the time )
agile badge
ohhhh that sounds cool
spark lance
theres around 5k people in this server
hybrid wedge
@agile badge Biggest differences: Beta progress is periodically wiped from time to time so you can/will lose everything at some point depending on what they need to test. More bugs.
spark lance
and the limit for testflight betas is 10k
hybrid wedge
Yep!
hollow compass
if this server is 5K and the beta is 10k, how come it filled up so quickly last time they posted here? granted, they did also post on FB and there were more people in that group at the time, but still
arctic pecan
well i mean, there’s reddit
and of course, fb, twitter, instagram, etc
so people will look into it and hop in
though thing is, idk if this limited to certain countries or not
hollow compass
it never was before, no
so depending on time zone and how much you're on social media, you have a very limited time to resign
and that's what happened to many of the old-timers, who were consequently locked out of the last testing period
I'm glad they still got the reward for all the hard work they put in the game, but I know a few of them were disappointed
of course, I understand that TGC may appreciate new eyes with new ideas, but yeah...if these new people are mostly interested in fancy accessories, I wonder how long they will stick around in the beta, once the initial fascination has worn off
arctic pecan
not for long i guess? i mean, i wouldn’t mind seeing new accessories adding into the game, but i’m honestly interested as to how this beta testing works and new ideas implemented to the game.
hollow compass
it can be a bit grindy, tbh
but mostly it's about finding things that don't work and giving feedback on that
for TGC it's important that we find errors and bugs, or inconsistencies in for example transitions
looking back at the patch notes, we have seen quite a lot of things implemented that were either discovered by or asked to be added by beta players
arctic pecan
i’ll see what i could do when the beta up.
As for the patch notes, what did you guys discovered/added so that the devs put them to the game ?
hollow compass
oh, I can't remember details at the moment, I'd have to go back and look
but the currency system was definitely tested in MAAAANY versions
arctic pecan
oh ok! take your time!
offt dang O-O
currency system can be a hefty one to deal with
hollow compass
and also the flight system
I'm guessing that the bulk of testing has already been done and that this new period will be more about added features
arctic pecan
mhmm mhmm
hollow compass
looking back at the patch notes now, I can see we tested Gratitude twice, there were numerous versions of Eden (then called Storm), lots of terrain fixes, chat filters
and of course, the new Home space as opposed to Aviary and a private area with friend candles (instead of the constellation map)
one of the things I do hope new test players will be generous with is friendships and hearts, because without that it will be more difficult to properly test everything
you should go into beta with the knowledge that none of those candles and hearts are as valuable as in Live, because they can be reset to zero for testing purposes
arctic pecan
i see, wouldn’t mind the reset tbh because if it’s in another app then it’s for the testing reasons. Gonna help out you know.
( also pretty sure i saw a beta player posted a pic with the Beta version of Sky icon, can’t remember who tho)
hollow compass
yes, beta is connected to TestFlight, which is an app for beta testing, basically 😅
or an app where you can redeem codes for beta testing other apps
arctic pecan
huh
lusty light
@brisk dragon only beta testers who played beta before global launch get the beta cape, from Aeridel:
The Beta reward was a one-time thing for the testing period prior to our iOS global launch. The team may explore different incentives for continued testing at a later time, though.
brisk dragon
@lusty light Thank you for explanation, the reason that I want to join August 27 beta is not for that blue beta cape. TGC may send some candles for testing, that’s enough. and if there will be extra gift like another beta cape or mask or something it would be awesome, just don’t want to miss any chance to get those.
void aurora
I think that its great tgc will open up a new beta link for people to test it. But i also thinks it would be better if they sent out the link to those who already are a beta player, through Mail or something. Because now its global. There are tons of people wanting to join; meaning the beta will pretty much be full within a day or so. And there are players who only wants to join beta, because they think they will Get a special price and just wait for that to come instead of actually testing out the game. And these players might take the spot to people who Actually wants to test out the game and help tgc with making this game Even better! So please do make a private link FOr those who already are a tester and that wants to continue with it. And then make it public. Because some of us old beta players might not be fast enough to hit that rejoin button before its full..
dapper coyote
Do they have any way to actually contact them tho?
void aurora
yeah, to those who were an old tester will recieve an email from tgc with that link button
arctic pecan
true cos even though i’m not a beta player, i think it’s best to have some slow down or something with the link and have old beta players to join in since they have more knowledges of the game than new players
dapper coyote
yeah
I want to do beta cause I think it'd be really interesting to find all the bugs and stuff, however I know there's a high chance I won't because I'll most likely be asleep when link comes out
arctic pecan
true same here
would love to see what kind of bugs in the new seasons XD also potentially new OOB if they added in new locations
spark lance
I agree with Amilia. Also, we should keep in mind that joining beta is a huge opportunity already since not a lot of games do that to their consumers. Players should join beta with the intent to test out bugs and new features without expecting anything in return.
dapper coyote
yeah
arctic pecan
mhmm
dapper coyote
but how can you know
so
and also I don't know if they have a way of contacting old betas
void aurora
excactly Dave!
dapper coyote
either way it is what it is
void aurora
some beta players got contacted directly from tgc when the game was new. Others got a Mail. Some pressed the link they published
spark lance
I’m not sure if they still have emails of the people whom they previously sent invites to since they used to invite people to beta via email.
dapper coyote
you know what I can possibly see happening
the link to joining the beta crashing
from many people clicking on it
not gonna lie it'd kinda be funny
arctic pecan
unfortunately i don’t think i could join considering i used my account on another country OTL ( me brain why you do this )
dapper coyote
Im dumb please explain in a smol child way
brisk dragon
Don’t know why people here are so mad at this beta joining. This is really interesting to see. Need to apologize for my bad English it is not my native language. First I want to explain the motivation that I want to join beta is the reward for sure, yes. But it doesn’t mean I just take the spot and do nothing in the beta test. Not knowing why everyone here assume that I will just take the spot and do nothing and wait for reward. Second I do love sky and really enjoy it, I discover many bugs in the game and report to TGC myself. I buy seasonal pack, meaning I’m not a free player, and I collect candle fire everyday and complete daily quest everyday get 6 seasonal candles everyday. I already obtain 39 wings through Eye of Eden. I have 9 star cape in the game. So there a guy tell me it is a honor to play the beta and I should not play it, I didn’t respond because Why I should prove how much I love this game to you, telling how much I spend money on this game make everyone happy? And WHY I should let you judge if I have the HONOR to join the beta? Save it for yourself, thank you. And for all OLD-BETA PLAYER here, thank you for your suggestion, if old-beta players don’t welcome any new blood please let everyone know it. I’ll tell them so. Have a nice day.
arctic pecan
pffftt that’s ok, apparently my account was made in one country but for some reason i decided to change to another country’s app store and spend it there ( and now that i can’t change until i spend the rest of the money which is very hard )
dapper coyote
I don't see how that would stop you though?
void aurora
I dont think you understood our message @brisk dragon it isnt black and white paper. Some join beta to discover bugs and help out tgc, some just wants to have that title and prizes and do not play beta afterwards. Some wants to play beta and wants to help out, but then stops. Some wants prizes and helpout.
My point is, its amazing new people can try out beta, and im all in for having the link put out. But for old players who actually have managed beta from the start, shud have that invite. Because many people will join-leave And loads wont Even be able to rejoin, because its already full.
dapper coyote
oo I like the profile pic
strange forge
The whole idea of previous beta testers = veteran players is quite strange, if they do need one they should send invite link depends on playing time or something else, not just joined the beta.
dapper coyote
Ignore me if it isn't a response to the past conversation but I don't think thats what they were saying? (probably isn't my place to say though)
spark lance
The purpose of the Sky beta is to playtest and provide thoughtful and regular feedback. Many beta testers are veterans, some are new. All who want to help are welcome.
Keep an eye on the #beta-announcements for news. All joins and rejoins will be via a link the week of 9/3.
dapper coyote
Is there roughly a time of day it'd be most likely to be posted?
spark lance
That is not known.
dapper coyote
Somehow that sounds fun
spark lance
TGC is in California so it would probably be during their work hours
dapper coyote
oof so probably when Im asleep
spark lance
But we don’t know.
dapper coyote
that's alright thanks!
void aurora
@dapper coyote thankyew 🙈
dapper coyote
no problem!
radiant drum
Just keep in mind the beta will be wiped and might be completely reset again from time to time, and there is no guarantee there will be future rewards in live for beta players
The link will be open for everyone and everyone is more than welcome to join our beta family 
strange forge
I agree it's should open for everyone and no one get invite first.
void aurora
I also agree that it should be open. But also that some elders who have been there from the start should have that invite. But hey this was just a suggestion, and i felt like sharing. Because im not the only one who thought it was a good idea 🤷🏼♀️
strange forge
Yeah, probably for some players who has proved their contribution, but not just "beta players".
spark lance
Like last time in June, it’s first come first serve. Experienced beta testers know to keep an eye out for the link.
And it’s worth saying there are no gifts, no beta cape.
@short sapphire That message in your beta bug report means you need to go to the temple at the end of the level, sit and watch the cutscene so that you send up that spirit.
hollow compass
I just really hope that whoever gets to join the beta this time are serious about testing and don’t give up after a week or two, because it can be a little grindy.
spark lance
I’m sure there will be plenty of useful players among the thousands picked.
hollow compass
Well, technically they pick themselves. 😉
strange forge
If players can't stick for one or two weeks due to grinding, TGC should consider it as an issue too. Maybe it's not players' problem?
hollow compass
You misunderstood
Testing can be grinding, because there may be patches for things you report and then you have to test the same thing again.
It’s not like grinding for candles.
spark lance
Nah, make em work for the content. That’ll help repel the freeloaders.
hollow compass
But that’s the thing, freeloaders may sign up because they think it’s a cool thing to do, but they have no intention of actually being helpful. We’ve seen how desperate some people were for the beta cape.
strange forge
Well, that's an another issue now.
hollow compass
Let’s just say I don’t understand TGC’s thinking here, but I hope it works out.
strange forge
You can't expect player to do it without passion. Unless there's another motivation to make them do so.
dapper coyote
(I feel like this conversation may spark arguments I suggest that it stops only my opinion though)
hollow compass
I’ve said my thing. I’m not looking for arguments.
radiant drum
There’s also the difference between beta and live because whatever you work for on the beta, you don’t get to keep at all. Everyone is welcome but keep in mind beta is for testing only and we are not promised anything in return, just the experience 
dapper coyote
If you make friends in beta do they get wiped and if so is there no way to find them again?
(kinda the only thing I care about)
hollow compass
Well, if they’re not on here or other social media, there is no way for you to contact them.
spark lance
@dapper coyote You keep your friends this time.
dapper coyote
ah that's great
hollow compass
Many of us are only now beginning to find old beta friends again. But most are just gone into the void.
radiant drum
This wipe won’t be an account reset, so previous beta players will be able to keep their friends in beta, but I’m not sure what they plan for in the future. In the other account reset though, we still had our friends list, just reset to level 1
But friends are not linked between live and beta, as they’re completely separate
dapper coyote
All good then! (for me at least)
strange forge
Wait, so if you link it with current account... (let's say.. 50 friends), and during the beta you add another 50 friends. Then you will have 100 friends at live version?
crystal fractal
should i try to get into beta even if i never have :3
crystal fractal
@spark lance i don’t think i have that kind of dedication
radiant drum
Beta and live are different apps, with different accounts entirely. They don’t influence anything in each other
dapper coyote
then maybe don't
crystal fractal
ok maybe not dedication, just that i don’t have time to play both accounts DX
hollow compass
Everything you collect and all friends you find in beta stay in beta.
crystal fractal
i would love to be in beta though
hollow compass
@crystal fractal may I ask why? What would your purpose be in beta?
crystal fractal
but i should probably open up slots for others
crystal fractal
i honestly don’t know,, @hollow compass
crystal fractal
a lot of my ingame friends were from beta , that’s all i knew about it really
know*
dapper coyote
I like finding glitches or learning how to break games
spark lance
@crystal fractal The choice is yours. Managing both accounts can be time/battery consuming so that is something to consider.
strange forge
Then what if I use the same GC account to play live and test version?
radiant drum
The beta is a lot of fun, I understand a big motivation factor is being able to see new content before it gets released. But I think at this point with limited slots, beta players should try and help report their experience back to TGC and give feedback
hollow compass
It’s a fun challenge, definitely. But at times, as I said, it can feel grindy. Especially if you want to play both version at the same time.
radiant drum
You don’t need to be a professional beta tester for that, just want to help the game get better ^^
crystal fractal
yeah i know, so i probably should focus on my live account :3
thanks guys
i do want to help the game get better but,, welp
midnight basalt
I won’t try getting on it personally with school starting again and I m bad at explaining how I encountered the glitches and all plus the fact I still wanna play the official I m feeling I wouldn’t be of a great help so probably will miss some things but idk it’s up to each of us to see if you wanna do it
radiant drum
Besides, might be worth it keeping the surprise and experience of the new season for the live version
hollow compass
(Lunch break is over. Catch y’all later!)
spark lance
@strange forge You use the same GC account but they are different apps. There’s no data sharing.
@crystal fractal You can still bug hunt on live and support the game in other ways too.
vapid drum
Keeping it a surprise with all the random pic posts will be difficult 😒
radiant drum
Yes exactly Cirrus. All feedback and reports made in live are very appreciated and useful for TGC
strange forge
Okay, one GC account with different in-game profiles, and no data sharing between, got it.
dapper coyote
maybe don't look at that channel if you don't wanna see it @vapid drum ?
spark lance
Remember that GC is used by many games, not just Sky.
radiant drum
Yeah rob but we will do our best to contain spoilers in the beta channels, to be mindful of players that don’t wanna get spoiled ^^
vapid drum
@dapper coyote hard to do that when people still post in the wrong channels
vapid drum
But hey , I’m gonna do beta when available, patience isn’t my virtue
dapper coyote
hehehe
crystal fractal
@spark lance that’s true ^ ^
dapper coyote
Well Im gonna go to bed it was fun talking to you all and very informative goodnight!
crystal fractal
night!!
languid mantle
Conflicted, beta will be so much fun but at the same time that’s less amount of time on my live account
arctic pecan
eyeah it’s hard to balance which versions to play
languid mantle
If I’m getting this right, beta will have a whole new character right
Which means the progress will be set back to the very beginning
cold mantle
Is that true that I get skyblue wing(cloak) after playing beta version?
spark lance
No @cold mantle that was a one-time thank you gift
sullen lodge
not anymore, i dont think so, the cape was a gift for beta players from pre-global release
spark lance
it was for the beta players who tested prior to live launch
joining the beta is for play testing and feedback
cold mantle
Oh really... thank you;)
spark lance
it’s about helping TGC
@languid mantle yes, it’s a different app so no data is shared with your live account.
languid mantle
A fresh new run is very attractive
storm flicker
So what time do they think it will drop? I work a lot but plan to make time to be a part of making this wonderful game even more awesome. But am worried it will drop while I’m here.
spark lance
@storm flicker We only know what’s been announced in #beta-announcements
storm flicker
Thanks @spark lance I’m hoping for more info just wanted to see if I missed something
spark lance
A date hasn’t even been announced yet, only week of 9/3
tardy marsh
different timezones make me sad 😦 first come, first serves ... 😦
empty inlet
You still have chance
There’s only 4000+ ppl in discord
And they’re not going to send the link through new letter
hollow compass
But chances are some of them will share the link in other places.
hollow compass
Hopefully, the people who do get in will be ones that truly want to help TGC.
empty inlet
TGC won’t be the bad guy saying that one probably get not thing in live from playing beta
But we can😄
So more chance to rejoin
spark lance
There is no beta gift. The purpose is to help TGC by playtesting and providing regular feedback.
hollow compass
I give up. I’ve tried. Thanks, Dune for pointing it out again, though.
spark lance
@hollow compass don’t give up ... 🦋
hollow compass
Tbh, if the people who want to play beta now are more interested in cosmetics, I am not sure I want to try to rejoin. Beta used to be a happy and safe place, most of them time. There was camaraderie in our shared misery and joy of everything that happened there. I don’t want to be there if it’s swarmed with competition and grabby hands.
spark lance
Beta is still that place. ❤️ If players want to join for cosmetics that will be reset anyway, they can provide valuable feedback in the meantime.
hardy carbon
I still log into the beta and send candles to like 10 people every day. And most of those do the same in return.
spark lance
Yeah I do the same. Many beta friends still check in.
And I have to visit my black cape until I can get it in live.
hollow compass
Me too. Basically every day, with a short run of the area with candles or just to see a favourite place.
We’ll see. I’m going to think about it.
In the meantime, my stickers arrived today!
haughty vigil
i honestly rlly wanna join beta to see cosmetics - to plan out items i wanna get for live ndkxk,, n wanna help out at same time ,, too
spark lance
Yeah if you have time to play both versions, why not? The focus in beta is testing how new features and bug fixes work with existing content.
haughty vigil
mhms ! i might not enough time to play both everday bc school but still should have plenty of time ,, if i get on beta
golden ingot
usually beta is quieter than the live game right? more freedom to explore 😅
spark lance
It’s playtesting so you would play and do the things you would normally do along with the new stuff, and then provide feedback.
Yes it is quieter indeed.
haughty vigil
how many people are allowed in ,, the beta ?
spark lance
When it was reset in June it was 7000. They may have subsequently raised it to the TestFlight max of 10k but I’m not sure.
golden ingot
oh, so it won’t fill up super quickly right?
haughty vigil
aaa ok !! does it usually fill within a few minutes or hours ,,?
golden ingot
Idk if I’d even be useful, I’m starting school soon 
lusty light
when they reset beta last time it filled up in a little over a day and that was when they sent the link over email
haughty vigil
aa ok !! gonna assume since its public now ,,, its gonna be quicker than that
haughty vigil
oh ?
lusty light
and this time they're not sending the link over email
haughty vigil
ok dkskxk
lusty light
7k slots and a little over 4k members in this server
and not everyone here will join beta
haughty vigil
mhms ,, theres def likely some inactive accounts here too
/not everyone will be online at same time
ok !! so we likely have a bit of time 2 join
thank u
lusty light
np 
spark lance
The beta link will also be posted on FB so I imagine there are players there who aren’t on Discord.
hollow compass
@lusty light they published the link in the FB group, not just through the newsletter, which is why it filled up so quickly
lusty light
In the public FB group?
hollow compass
yes
lusty light
well they closed that down too so that's another factor that would make it not fill up as fast
spark lance
Yay
hollow compass
I know that upset a lot of old-timers, who didn't see the invite until much later in the email
the FB group is still alive and well
lusty light
only the testflight beta group
spark lance
the testflight group though
hollow compass
yes, but lots of people who were in that group were't beta tester, which is why when TGC published the link the beta was filled up upon reset
spark lance
Regardless players need to stay close to the stove to jump on that link
hollow compass
man, I'm tired, I can't even write proper english sorry
yup
awww, chocolate
I finished the good one, there is only cheap one at home
I will miss the beta chocolate the most
hollow compass
/ gobbles the lot in seconds /
sorry, it was a weird day today (in other ways also)
I'll just go play some Live now
btw, I just checked: there are approx 3.500 members in the FB group
vapid drum
So many non beta players active now in the beta Facebook group
spark lance
Not sure what you mean, @vapid drum
If they’re in the beta, they’re beta players
All are welcome
vapid drum
@spark lance as a reaction to belpita about Facebook beta group
spark lance
Oh the FB testflight group ... I gotcha.
vapid drum
Edited😂
hollow compass
@spark lance there appears to be a lot of new members to the FB group that are not beta players, because we get a lot of "newbie questions" there
like "where do I find this hair? how much does that thing cost? what do I do in Eden?"
and again "will I get the beta cape now if I join the beta?" 🤦
spark lance
I've heard that that group is no longer limited to actual beta players.
hollow compass
it's listed as a closed group and still called Testflight beta, so it should be only for beta, but I don't think TGC monitors or asks new members what version they play
spark lance
For sure they don't ....
Or maybe only a little. They're pulled in so many social media directions these days.
hollow compass
it's a shame, because the community used to be very active in bug reporting and FB allows multiple video/photos in one post
they could have organised it better with topics instead of just leaving all comments default
spark lance
You can do that here too
You can post multiple videos + photos in a single post, but likely you'd need a Nitro account for the size limit
I get why that part of FB is attractive
hollow compass
nitro is quite expensive if you only use Discord for this server
hybrid wedge
$5/month can be in reach for some people but not others. On Discord at minimum we can upload to YouTube or something and link here, at least. Honestly I find the free-for-all nature of FB really difficult to handle, especially the way FB pushes certain posts to the top and buries others, and it seems like only certain topics draw discussion. On Discord even if some of the same topics or questions keep coming up, there has been plenty of opportunity to discuss and theorize and explore a range of topics in a way that was difficult at best in the FB beta group even before global launch.
hollow compass
there are definitely pros and cons of both
but my original comment was about the member number, many of whom are probably not beta players, which may or may not reflect on the sign-up in September
@empty inlet hi, I don't understand your bug report: what is it about?
hollow compass
yes, but I don't understand how it's a bug report
empty inlet
Then play the game, remember where you leave
hollow compass
or is it?
empty inlet
It is
hollow compass
ok, how?
empty inlet
Or you think it is a feature?
If you left in Storm, your checkpoint is in storm for quite a long time
hollow compass
it's also not specific to Sky, is it?
empty inlet
As far as i know, many time relating things in Sky is according to server time
hollow compass
it sounds like a feature of iPhone that may or may not help you sometimes
but do you mean to say that it could be a way of cheating?
empty inlet
Depends on how you use it
quasi peak
hi all, what is a beta tester & what are the pros/cons (if any) of being one?
empty inlet
It’s against how I think level reset works
hollow compass
I remember this question coming up before, quite early on in beta, when people were trying to cheat the daily reset by rewinding their phone time (or something)
but the reset isn't dependent on your own time, it resets at whatever time it is on the server
hollow compass
@quasi peak I think Dune replied in a very good way to you before, but basically it means that you get access to a version of the game that is more of a test ground for new features.
You are expected to play and test things, so it can be a bit repetitive at times.
hybrid wedge
You can scroll up a bit, there’s been a lot of conversation about it lately. ^^
hollow compass
It is also important to report any findings in the game, probably in #beta-bugs-ios
Pros are perhaps that you get to see and try new things before they are released to the Live version.
Cons are that you don't get to keep any of it, because sometimes your progress is wiped for testing reasons.
(It has never been confirmed that beta will be around forever, which is good to keep in mind. Don't get too attached to anything - lol!)
spark lance
In the patch notes from who knows which version, TGC said they fixed a bug to prevent players from setting their device date time ahead.
empty inlet
(I stayed in home for hours in beta, no one comes, it’s like my private server)
Well, it’s not everything
quasi peak
thanks guys! didn’t quite understand what it was but i get it now
empty inlet
At least your checkpoint can be affected
spark lance
@quasi peak It's a big time commitment for people who are also playing the live version.
@empty inlet I think that's a good bug to report 
empty inlet
Someone get confused because of that, they didn’t mean to do it
spark lance
Didn't mean to set their date/time ahead?
spark lance
One thing I don't understand is why would setting the date ahead allow a >200MB cellular download?
spark lance
Set it ahead to any date will work?
empty inlet
I guess, I don’t know the details about that
spark lance
Interesting to learn this! thank you
empty inlet
You’re very welcome
radiant drum
I'd advise against having that behavior, Demarcus.
solar dragon
Pinging admins and moderators when you don't need help is not respecting our time very well. Please be considerate in how you use @ pings. Thank you.
gusty vapor
Will there be a new beta link coming out or is it the same as the old one ?
solar dragon
(For everyone viewing, some of the comments were removed, so it's probably a little confusing. 😅 )
@gusty vapor, this will be a new Beta link.
gusty vapor
Is it going to be shared to us on discord? On Tuesday 27th or the 3rd of September ?
solar dragon
Beta access will be removed Tuesday the 27th to prepare for the new content testing cycle. We will share the new link the week of September 3rd, and will share the link here in Discord and in the Testflight Beta Facebook group.
We'll try to give you all more specific timing if we can, but we're aiming to start the new Beta cycle early that week (Monday is a holiday in the US).
dapper coyote
If I were to open the link on my phone would I be able to play it on my iPad?
uneven cape
yep! i heard as long as you're connected to game center you can transfer between devices on beta
not sure about how to download the app itself tho
lusty light
Through TestFlight
umbral glade
Yes, and TestFlight is available by Apple account, so if you get in you can play it on any iOS devices where you are logged in.
dapper coyote
Sweet!
spark lance
I’m on iOS 13 Beta & iPad OS 13 Beta , start playing sky official released, it’s working good, now the next week beta ! Could be the same ?
honest frigate
Hello, so I was wondering how does joining the beta works. On the week of September 3rd there will be a link sent where? And if you’ve never been a beta tester (ie: me) can you become a beta tester through this link?
spark lance
@honest frigate The link will probably be in “beta updates”. Anyone can join but it’s first come first serve.
past field
lusty light
@past field the beta role hasn’t been added yet
lusty light
No problem 
spark lance
And for android???? When
lusty light
We don’t know, beta isn’t even announced for Android
You can preregister for it on the google play store
spark lance
And when I can play 😔
lusty light
We don't know when the game will be released for android
agile geode
I feel like you shouldn’t worry too much about the link, because there’ll be 2 separate links, one for this server, and one for Facebook. There’s 5000 people here yeah but at most only half of the 5000 would be online per day, infact most likely less than half. So just keep your cool and wait for September
And there’s most likely less people in the Facebook because they need to be manually accepted in.
So everyone has a chance.
empty inlet
the link to be sent here and facebook will be the same one tho
radiant drum
TGC shared this in the Beta FB group:
The biggest change is that this Facebook group and Discord will have two *separate* invite links. This means the invite link we share here in this group will only be shared here with this group.
empty inlet
ohh i didn’t see that
torpid coral
Do we know if those who join the next beta testing session will receive the beta cape or not? As in new beta testers?
radiant drum
!betareward
vast bayBOT
The Beta reward was a one-time thing for the testing period prior to the iOS global launch. A future reward is not planned.
torpid coral
Cool, thank you!
empty inlet
i remember aeri said there’s going to be some kind of reward but the cape is not included
radiant drum
Aeri said the team may explore different incentives for continued testing at a later time
But future rewards are not planned
empty inlet
ok
vapid briar
The primary purpose for Beta is testing, not a special club for unique rewards/bragging rights. That being said, Beta testing is an extremely important process for us because the sheer power in numbers helps expose potential issues we may not otherwise encounter with our very small QA team. We're incredibly grateful for the time and effort Beta testers put in to make the game better for everyone.
spark lance
It is a privilege to be a beta tester for TGC. That excitement of getting the first invite has never waned.
@lusty light ok.. 😪
empty inlet
I don’t know if anyone has mentioned it in live bug report but, being forced to sit around meditating shrine is not a random event but only happens if you pass certain positions in a certain direction (although there’re a lot of such positions)
hollow compass
what, kanpai? 🤔
also this: 👉 The primary purpose for Beta is testing, not a special club for unique rewards/bragging rights.👈
I think I will make that into a cross stitch and hang it on the wall
elfin escarp
@spark lance Unlike iOS the Google play store has more options when it comes to releasing a game for example they can release under a beta tag or even early access so their is no need for a separate development branch like there is on iOS so I wouldn't expect one for Android when it finally comes.
spark lance
@elfin escarpok
hazy basin
Okay so I just read the news on the beta invite, are they sending the invites out August 27th, September 3rd, or the third week of September? Or anything else, I’m not sure which one
lusty light
beta will be reset on the 27th, invites will go out the week of the 3rd
so people currently testing will not have access to beta after the reset
sacred sigil
The table features is gone. So sad, because it was a altruistic item, represent the ideia of the game in it best, was super buggy indeed, now we can't help friends anymore with the same efficiency. Well would be good another item that could help other in the same way idk
And you only could do it with help of a friend
So beautiful
hybrid wedge
There were reports of people bullying other players using the table to forcibly move them around. It’s a shame some of the old features are gone, but if it means players don’t get harassed by people being jerks, then that’s how it goes.
dapper coyote
wait table's gone?
wraith cedar
No the table is still in the game
You just won’t be able to move others around with it anymore
sacred sigil
Such a sad reality that nice features will never be add in the game because people can't be nice
dapper coyote
yeah
wraith cedar
What if they make it so only your friends can be moved around
feral torrent
That would be nice
there was someone doing that with a table at home last night
It was very frustrating cuz there is no way to report a player
unless it’s ur friend
lusty light
A exploit being fixed meant it was never supposed to be a feature
sacred sigil
That would be great, like a ride. You can activate it
wraith cedar
That’s fair
dapper coyote
wait so how where people doing that?
lusty light
The table is strictly something you use to chat with other players
lusty light
Teleporting players isn’t a feature
sacred sigil
It's kinda dumb ignoring it, but yes it's fine hehehehe
No need to be a knight, just a sincere opinion. Kkkkk let people complain, and give ideias.
radiant badger
yes, i think it was definitely a bug, but a bug can be a feature. it’s an idea that was accidentally added to the game and a lot of people used it to have fun and explore the game in a different way
for example, last week my friends and i were able to fly very high at home with the table and then fall. it was the most fun i had in the game and it wouldn’t be possible without that feature
radiant drum
You can suggest that in #wishlist-and-ideas-archived
radiant badger
it was fun
radiant drum
@radiant badger please keep discussion outside of #beta-bugs-ios. Mention the person here with what you have to say ^^
dire rover
I missed the stream :L
soft otter
Need Beta friends for quest
radiant badger
but you can’t fly with that many friends very high, because it’s buggy, you can’t use the fireworks while flying or else you fall, because it’s very tricky flying and using fireworks and overall, the chair teleporting us made it not only possible but enjoyable. i don’t know about you, but i kinda hate the new flying controls, it makes it very hard to fly for me.
dire rover
They answered the cape designs question 
hybrid wedge
@radiant badger @soft otter Please keep discussion out of the bug report channels to keep it clear for the devs. You can discuss or comment on posts from that channel here
lusty light
- Daily quests are now available even when there is not an active Seasonal event
- Daily quest NPC added to Home with two quests each day
- Two new cape upgrades added to the shop
- Fixed exploit where you can be pushed by a chat table
- Minor bug fixes and tuning
wraith cedar
There were 2 capes added to the game, but they appear to be seasonal
wraith cedar
No idea
spark lance
ah
wraith cedar
I just saw 2 new slots in the cape closet
spark lance
what about being pushed by table
is that sitting on table
or is that a person being clipped on it
wraith cedar
You can’t teleport players around with it anymore
lusty light
You can't teleport anyone using the table anymore
spark lance
ah
i c
they probably should have fixed people being clipped in the table instead imo
dapper coyote
What's being clipped in the table>
spark lance
people
dapper coyote
What happens when people are clipped in the table?
spark lance
you can move them around
spark lance
unless they manage to get out quickly enough
dapper coyote
oh
spark lance
yes
dapper coyote
now I get why they needed to remove that
spark lance
yeah
hybrid wedge
Yep. Easy for bullies to abuse.
spark lance
hopefully they bring back table riding tho
spark lance
would like to see it come back instead of it being a casualty to people being clipped in a table
lusty light
There's no need for them to bring back a bug, the table is made for chatting with players
sacred sigil
I agree with @spark lance
orchid nexus
It would have been nice if players hadn't been griefing others with the table, then the feature wouldn't have needed fixing.
dapper coyote
Can't trust everyone in a game though sadly
orchid nexus
Or players boasting about griefing others in this server
sacred sigil
Indeed, we need a other altruistic item
dapper coyote
hm is it known if the bugs around trying to stay with friends are getting fixed or anything else?
orchid nexus
Server matchmaking was a high priority from the start, but I suspect that's independent of the client, and won't be addressed in patch notes.
sacred sigil
And the super position bug still on the table. God knows here you going to end in your friends screen, this has not been fixed hahahaha
orchid nexus
With multiple tables in an instance, you mean?
orchid nexus
If there is only one table it always seems fine to me. I'm pretty sure it's when another table is created, even if it's removed
sacred sigil
Sometimes you get in a room with two tables already, but the other playes are gone
orchid nexus
I've personally used that glitch to disrupt table griefers. I'm glad I don't need to anymore xD
sacred sigil
So sad):
gusty sluice
@hasty vessel the spirit’s arms have been across the cape. Talk about it here please.
hollow compass
yes, no chatting in the #beta-bugs-ios channel please
so, I also noticed that you can't send hearts to level 1 friends, but I'm wondering it this is because of the following patch: 3) Fixed all shop arrangements
I am not getting the issue some other players are posting as a bug, where the shop trees for spirits are off-centre
also a little uncertain I like the daily quests giving you 2 candles, because it makes the Valley race obsolete
or at least takes away the incentive to do them
but perhaps others like them, as they will give more candles a day?
dapper coyote
I personally think it's good
it to me gives me more reason to log in every day even if a season isn't on
hollow compass
yes, I can see them as being an easier option that doing the races (or maybe even candle heap quests)
I'm just curious what the thinking behind it is; did they notice that people have a hard time collecting enough candles?
gusty sluice
I feel the reward of valley race has been changed. Has anyone done it?
dapper coyote
nope not a beta player sadly
hollow compass
@dapper coyote obviously, you're welcome to read and chat here, but I'm confused why you just replied to my question about something in beta, in that case
dapper coyote
Well if it's in beta it's going to somewhat be in the game
and not only that it's not like it's something that you have to play to understand your own view on it
if it was something more like
the flight controls have been changed
I wouldn't of replied
sorry if Im intruding but beta's interesting to me
hollow compass
I see. I was just thinking that the beta discussion channel is for those who do get to test out new features, which doesn't necessarily mean the will make it into the Live version.
not intruding at all!
just got a little confused, since I thought you had also experienced what I was mentioning
dapper coyote
haha sorry if I gave off that vibe
hollow compass
I hope that TGC will eventually give people roles on this server, so that it becomes a little clearer
hollow compass
also for their sake
dapper coyote
I am hoping to get into the beta at the invite week though
but because I'll probably be asleep during their working hours prob not
hollow compass
I don't want to shut you up, but I wonder how valuable non-beta player opinions are to TGC for the beta testing - that was my point 🙂
hasty vessel
@hollow compass I don’t think the addition of two daily quests takes anything away from the game. It is exactly how people who have unlocked the seasonal constellation are still farming seasonal candles because they will be returned to normal candles. I think players feel like the daily grind isn’t as rewarding as it should be, the daily quests definitely help and prevent people from becoming bored
hollow compass
yes, that was what I suspected that TGC has noticed @hasty vessel
@dapper coyote I hope you get in too!
hasty vessel
Why do you think it would make the valley races redundant?
hollow compass
because Valley races take a lot of time and you have to go back twice
dapper coyote
Thank you!
hollow compass
it won't make them redundant as such, but maybe less desirable to do every day
gusty sluice
@hasty vessel do you mind deleting that message in report bugs channel? If you feel I need add more information I would add some explanation
hasty vessel
I think that’s very dependant on the type of player though. Hmm
Sure Sangsang thank you for clarifying
hollow compass
oh, just wanted to add another thing re beta/non-beta players: the old Testflight Beta Facebook group used to be only for beta tester, because TGC needed to separate the feedback from the two versions. That's why I'm thinking they may change the setup for this server eventually. Once the new beta period starts, it will only be confusing for TGC if a lot of non-beta players joined the discussions.
@gusty sluice yes, do add something about what you think is wrong, it helps
hasty vessel
They have also added two additional slots in the cape menu, I wonder if this is for the next season
hollow compass
btw, I was so happy to see some more people logged into beta today! I even came across two old friends. 🙂
but no new instruments
hasty vessel
Yeah it currently feels like a ghost town, It will feel so much different when the new beta phase starts.
I wonder how long it takes them to construct a new instrument it must be very time consuming
hasty vessel
What instrument would you like to see in-game?
dapper coyote
clarinet or flute
hollow compass
maybe a wind instrument or a violin
potent torrent
Agreed!!!
dapper coyote
(butting in sorry bye again)
potent torrent
I used to play clarinet when I was in middleschool ;v;
hollow compass
I played the flute
dapper coyote
I play clarinet
hollow compass
and piano and guitar
hasty vessel
Wow that’s a great suggestion!
potent torrent
A trombone would be fun
hasty vessel
I think tgc said in one of their previous streams that stings would be very difficult to construct
potent torrent
waa waa waaaaa
hasty vessel
I’d like a saxophone
dapper coyote
O it'd be very cool if the note you played wasnt set but a slider like actual trombones
dapper coyote
it'd be so cool
but seeing as there are currently no flats or sharps that don't match key of bgm prob not
hasty vessel
Mmm, we can still hope 😊
dapper coyote
yeah
hollow compass
the music bit is tricky, but also one of my favourite features in the game
dapper coyote
yeah mine too but finding songs you can play is hard without using the music channel if you're not that good at it
hollow compass
I've been thinking about the heart exchange being blocked for low level friendships: could it be that TGC decided to limit the exchanges to higher levels in order to combat abuse of the system? It's not a secret that some players arrange exchanges with multiple acquaintances to be able to progress more quickly through the cosmetics. If this is the case, it makes me really sad that TGC felt they had resort to this. It ruins part of the game, in my opinion.
dapper coyote
I dunno how to feel about that
hollow compass
I like helping people, friending them for different reasons: we're both in Eden, or there is a tricky spirit, or just because we had a great music session. Sending them a heart afterwards is a kind gesture that doesn't necessarily mean we will be BFF afterwards. We may not even come across each other again.
dapper coyote
m good point
hollow compass
I find that unlocking both high five and hug feels much more personal, and I might not want to do that with "everyone".
gusty sluice
Many players just ask some strangers for QR codes to exchange hearts. It’s forbidden here but not other platforms
If you have played together, you can give hearts
hollow compass
But limiting the exchange of hearts because of that feels like it clashes with the whole concept of the game: altruism.
@gusty sluice yes, I understand that this may be the reason behind this choice
gusty sluice
Also someone using some accounts to sell hearts out of game
dapper coyote
Wait really that happens?
hollow compass
Surely, there must be a way to combat this in another way!
gusty sluice
It’s a great change for me at least. All friends I would like to give a heart have unlocked many many things first lol.
hollow compass
of course, I have many friends like that too, but that's not how I use hearts
I mean, I send them to closer friends too, obviously. But I have always liked the idea that I could also gift it to a random person I had fun with one day.
I'm also thinking that this will not benefit new players at all.
hybrid wedge
Maybe if there were a way to give a non-currency gift, like a flower or something. Something that’s beautiful but isn’t a currency.
dapper coyote
aw
hollow compass
yes
dapper coyote
that's a sweet idea
gusty sluice
If I have fun with someone I will unlock high five and hug first. And one of my friend said that, if you have played together, at least 1 light near star, you can send heart
hollow compass
nope, you need to unlock both high five and hug now
so, essentially 4 + 3 candles for every new acquaintance you don't know if you will ever meet again, if you want to send them a heart as appreciation after an event you experienced together
dapper coyote
I still don't think this will stop friendships for the sole purpose of heart trades though
hollow compass
no, I'm sure they will find a way around that
which is why I think it's a sad way of ruining parts of the game for honest players
hybrid wedge
If I can’t return a heart someone gives me, or want to give one but don’t have enough candles, I use a bunch of emotes to say thank you, or play songs. Giving a heart to a random person isn’t the only option to express positive emotions towards them.
hollow compass
of course
but it's the idea that I like, the option of doing that if I feel like it
I like being generous, if I can
hybrid wedge
I mean, I wish it hadn’t changed either, but if the reasons are what I suspect, I can see where it’s coming from.
hollow compass
at the end of the day, hearts are "cash" in this game at the moment and if I can contribute to someone getting that sought-after mask/cape/instrument with my simple gift then than gives me joy
I always thought of this as the core of the game: generosity and kindness
potent torrent
I also like that gesture because players can only get hearts from other players or the spirts
So this is sad news to me ;_;
hollow compass
if some morons (excuse the language!) think that this game is about amassing everything, it angers me that they have to ruin it for everyone else
dapper coyote
I think hearts were the hardest currency to get and now they're even harder despite awakened candles being the most valuable currency
empty inlet
They used to have rainbow candle, which is not a currency gift, to unlock instruments and firework stick and table, but eventually removed and you need hearts to purchase them
hollow compass
@timid tinsel how did that glitch appear? or was it just like that when you arrived? o_0
@empty inlet yes, I think I started playing just after that, so I don't remember exactly how it all worked. But the currency system has been through many variations.
empty inlet
you skip the area where you activate animation
so you won’t have rocks in the whole way
hollow compass
but how do you skip that?
empty inlet
he has shown in the viedo
timid tinsel
oh no. It appears if you fly through the hill on your right and don't watch the animation @hollow compass
hollow compass
I didn't quite understand it from the video, sorry
timid tinsel
If you don't watch the animation you won't see the rocks
We always walk along the steps so we can see the rocks
sorry stones
hollow compass
I didn't quite understand how you skipped the animation, that was all
i think I need to try it for myself -lol
timid tinsel
ok you can try it
hollow compass
more thoughts on the new heart gift restriction: we definitely need a way to remove people from our constellation and not just blocking
turbid nebula
I haven't been in beta, but I'd like to chime in on hearts. I have friended someone just to give them a heart, after playing with them a while, or listening to their music. Or chatting on a bench even if there is a language barrier. Anything that is a touching interaction. A couple of these random interactions have become my best friends in game. I don't even know anyone in 'real life' who plays. It would be very sad for me if those friendships could not be forged. Even if they don't last forever, or even very long.
spark lance
The change in beta encourages the initial friend gifts in person before hearts can be given via the constellation.
turbid nebula
Also, I have to disagree about the most valuable currency. Hearts are it, and you can't change that without ruining the game. I don't care to unlock everything in constellations, only what I want, so it's not about getting enough hearts to unlock everything. Ascended candles have unique value, but hearts represent what's best in the game.
spark lance
Making friends is still the same.
turbid nebula
That sounds like a positive change. But it can be hard to exchange in person, sometimes interactions are brief but still meaningful, and you want to go back and give a heart.
hollow compass
This last point is important and often true to my playing style.
You can still exchange via the constellation, but you have to meet in person first again and unlock things to do that. I feel that some of those precious fleeting moments will become more shallow this way. It’s a bit “hi and bye”.
spark lance
I feel the opposite. Meeting in person encourages playing together rather than the remotely given constellation gifts.
hollow compass
Ah, but to me we’re talking about different things here.
One is meeting and developing a relationship with a few chosen players, much like we’ve played all the time.
The other is like the other day, when I spent a good hour playing music with another player. We’re still not that close, but we exchanged that first friendship candle. I don’t think either of us felt comfortable pushing it further, because those other interactions do feel more personal. But I still wanted to let them know I had enjoyed myself, so I sent them a heart afterwards.
The thing is, we may never meet again or we may meet but again only fleetingly. With this new system we may feel pushed to level up
spark lance
I understand that those initial gifts have different levels of meaning for people. I guess with this change, TGC is ranking them in order of importance
hollow compass
Yes, and it may not be to everyone’s liking.
spark lance
In my value system, I agree with that ranking. I don’t give hearts casually
hollow compass
I do, but only after a meaningful shared experience.
spark lance
If it encourages more of a relationship, that feels like a more solid foundation for the game
hollow compass
I understand your thinking, but it does also somewhat force people in a direction they may not be comfortable with.
Most of all, I just miss the giving nature of the game that has now been lost and ruined because of a few greedy.
It’s all fine and dandy that us old beta players feel like a team, but it can potentially be a bit excluding for a new player.
spark lance
I don’t feel anything has been lost or ruined in the fundamentals of generosity in the game. It places a higher value on hearts and I can only see that as a good thing.
hollow compass
let's agree to disagree 🙂
lusty light
and it would probably stop people from sitting at my tables and saying 
wanna trade hearts
hollow compass
they do that? 😕
hollow compass
well, I don't have a table and now it seems that glitching with it has been patched out anyway
ionic wadi
The new beta is about testing the new season, is that the season AFTER winter, because winter has already been tested in beta?
hollow compass
I think it will be a new one, but we don't know yet
there is no point in testing the winter season yet again
empty inlet
i guess they don’t have time to make a new one yet
but they tested gratitude season twice
hollow compass
we don't know what they've been working on in the meantime
empty inlet
so i’m guessing
hollow compass
ideally, they would have used the experience from Gratitude testing and just applied it to Winter, so they don't have to test it again
hollow compass
we just did gratitude...?
hollow compass
it did in beta
hollow compass
I know but it did in the second
lusty light
kanpai is saying maybe the winter season will add something new like how gratitude added the stance
hollow compass
that's possible, but I hope we won't be testing it again
empty inlet
yes, thank you seraph
vapid drum
I understood from the previous interview that we are going to test a completely new season ?? If I don’t miss the invite boat 😒