beta-discussion

[sharp ice]

dang

[spark lance]

I can understand your point
But still there's a difference between this type of respect
I can respect you as a human being because I'm a civil person and will not cross your boundaries. A strange will have this respect by default
But it can't compare with the respect you ewrn by being someone deserving.
I can respect a skykid even if they're a stranger but they can earn my real respect when they prove be deserving of it as a individual.

[low dew]

Agree
Imagine the hat come back as IAP along with the cat cape but the hat have cat ears!
It'd help alot to the cat hair situation and a replacement for the cat hair as IAP

[maiden moth]

Some people have valid criticism and are being shut down, they're expressing their frustration in a valid and respectful manner

If that's not valid feedback,i don't know what it is to you . don't call people who are clearly dissapointed but being as respectful and considerate and MINDFUL as possible mean . that's not how that works

[vernal turtle]

Dang is it so hard for us to get some cat cosmetics, even during performance the cat hoodie was IAP, pls
I just wanna have fluffy ears

[silent crater]

Here's to hoping I haven't been toxic the entire time I've been in the conversation. I may have some said some things about TGC but that's about it. 😰

[spark lance]

Just “stopping” masks from clipping isn’t really possible I think it takes them editing the hair/model for each combination so it doesn’t clip. It’s eons of work for little payoff. I like the new mask but as usual my tastes are in the minority 😭

[woeful sinew]

yeah your right

[ashen tusk]

I don't think it's necessarily the lazy way out, they're probably still reworking it, since it's only the second build and it's only been a few days for us testers I imagine we might see different iterations in upcoming builds but remember to send feedback about it!

On the topic of respect, being disrespectful to each other is breaking server rules so it really shouldn't matter how you feel about the individual or their opinion, we should still be maintaining mutual respect in our communications.

[wild yoke]

How’s the war going

@ocean cedar thx n love ur username

[robust delta]

Out of topic, but is it possible for most of hairstyle in wishlist that are slightly the same as some hair style to be in the game in the future?

Sorry if I'm bothering you but I just want to know the possibility

[ornate rover]

I got the AP just for the cat hood, I love the floppy ears

[spark lance]

Yo the war is still going? Anyway bye guys

[ocean cedar]

Good, everyone is being so nice and understanding to each other. :)))

[gilded tree]

This too!
I also had an idea of that!
My candle in live will be that later if the hair is IAP 🐈‍⬛

[toxic monolith]

kinda disappointing after way more than 24 hours, TGC hasn’t said anything about this ordeal

[spark lance]

It's pretty calm rn, although a lot of Passive Aggression

[cosmic orchid]

they did, its on the pins
#beta-discussion message

[radiant drum]

Sorry, I'm not sure I really understand your question If you are asking if ideas shared in #wishlist-and-ideas-archived may make it into the game, TGC routinely reads that channel for inspiration when working on new content. One of the artists shared recently how they've looked in there for Season of Aurora for example

@maiden moth please no mentions of violence, even as a joke

[vernal turtle]

Honestly I think would be fair to give as an IAP the cat ears (as hair accessory) and for us commoners the cat hair, every one cool with it,no? hehe

[silent crater]

I just realized that them making the cat hair a iAP is most likely a business-oriented decision (this is just speculation). There is a high demand for cat-themed cosmetics, and TGC pounced on this demand. Though supply is limited so they put it behind a paywall to better maximize revenue gain.

[spark lance]

I think it’s fair to say cosmetics are a big drive, but if you insist on getting every cosmetic available then you are bound to at some point be upset that one is out of your reach. Idk if it’s reasonable for tgc to make every cosmetic attainable according to everyone’s personal financial/general circumstances.

Still want the cat hair changed back

[ashen tusk]

Is it just me or at times when something is IAP I'm like "whew, I can save my candles" then 3 seconds later I'm like WAYAMENT, WHAT ABOUT MY WALLET

@still socket he doesn't like cats it would seem

[junior marsh]

SPEAK ON IT

[spark walrus]

me too

[still socket]

Hi. Why is Jenova Chen so locked up?

[obtuse moth]

They should at least have the cat hair separate from the bundle or have an option to buy items from bundles separately

[robust delta]

May I ask that if it's alright if I retweet my wish list once in a while (like one 3 month or 4 month). There's just a hairstyle I really want but I don't want to force the staff or being seen as spamming

[pliant spoke]

just wanna add something here, mischief already has way too many items and not even half of them are igc, in my opinion the cat cape, mask and hair should all be igc so it’s at least somewhat fair

these are all the iap items i can think of
cat bag
cat cape
cat hair
leaf antlers
witch outfit
witch hat hair
spider hair
spider cape
krill pumpkin lamp
pumpkin hat
bat cape

igc items we got last year that could possibly come back this year
table
maple leaf cape
witch hair

igc items we have this year so far
“cat” mask

Please tell me how this makes sense

[ocean cedar]

I agree with you 100%!

[dull jolt]

By curiosity, what should I redesign next for IGC?

[cosmic orchid]

*it still feels sad that the cat mask degraded when it became igc, like f2p players don't deserve nice things

[maiden moth]

My b ,thank you.

[jade arrow]

I agree the clipping this going to be very difficult. But I think the whole downgrade they did led to this outburst as well. Communication in from time and explanation would have been so much more appreciated given the current temperature. I agree with @spark lance and @ashen tusk on this.

However I don't agree with 'too little payoff'. It's a kind of bug in the end, one that we tolerate because eh, okay, we have other masks and hair. I think companies should strive to perfect their product, don't you think? @spark lance

And I'm glad you love the mask! I dint hate it too much either. I hope it comes to live soon too, just not like a nerfed version of the cat mask.

Let's hope for the best!

[spark lance]

I'm guessing we should start everything from begging as situation look like that:

• When beta update about DoM hit, many players saw new hairstyle and loved that - it was listed as IGC for 66 candols, and was announced in beta notes
• Then after some time it was changed for IAP with bundle (prop and cape)
• Mask was nerfed and moved to IGC for 44 candles
• People rushed here to criticize that decision as it was unfair and baity
• Mods said it was decision way before but bc of miscommunications hair appeared as IGC when it shouldn't
• People argue
• Theory is born - due to popularity they changed to get money
• People argue
• Another situations are discussed as previous TGC oopsies
• Changing hair to IAP was like a last straw in pile that made people really ask why TGC acts like that: all about money, dishonesty, hiding stuff, miscommunications, overpricing etc.
• Conversation last now two-three days depending on time-zone

As I post this message it might be little aged as I typed looong lol

TL:DR IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT CAT HAIR MOVED TO IAP, IT'S ALSO ABOUT TGC OOPSIES AND HOW PART OF COMMUNITY STARTED TO GETTING TIRED "of that game"

[spark lance]

precisely if they see it like that. Then maybe they should not have made sky a free game

[solar pagoda]

Exactly, now it just looks like a black mask with a different paint pattern 🫠

[toxic monolith]

Yeah, you’re putting words in my mouth. i never said that. I purchase a lot of iap, and i’m very privileged. however there are a lot of f2p people who don’t get a lot of great items because they’re locked behind a paywall. Not to mention that the cat hair is in a bundle. which means it’s bound to be like 30+ USD

i was just mentioning to that person that this game is heavily cosmetic based. The cat hair, which seemed to be going in an IGC route, suddenly turned into IAP and we got a lower quality alternative.
don’t put words in my mouth

there are a lot of IAP i don’t have issues with, but there are some that i do have issues with. the marshmallow stand for 20$ usd for example, was just too much

[radiant drum]

We ask that people only share the idea once, and edit it if you'd like to make changes, but you can share different ideas in multiple posts. I know it may seem like re-posting it occasionally will bring more attention to it, but really that channel is a collection of many ideas from the community the developers can always look at even if a message is pretty old

If anything, the advice I would give is to be as descriptive as possible so it's easier to understand and be searched for, if it's related to something they might be looking for even at a later date

[spark lance]

Wow I’d never expect to be that many😳

[clever cradle]

I finally realize DoM is Days of Mischief and not Disciple of Magic (black mage FFXIV main here)

[spark lance]

Any Cat Related Cosmetic is Bound to be Popular, I mean who Hates Cat on video games? They literally made a cat simulator (stray). So making the Cat Hair locked Behind a slightly expensive Paywall will trigger a lot pf peps.

[robust delta]

aah alright, still much appreciate and thanks for responding

[spark lance]

🤭 next year will be the same
🙃

[sand garnet]

Last year was pretty nice for igc Halloween items, I remember being really stoked about the leaf cape. Without the cat hair it's looking awfully piddly this year. ^_^;;

[low dew]

I really want everyone to have the chance to get their little meow meow 😔💖

[vale quartz]

hey friends how are you all doing?

[lapis flame]

they already have 13 iap items on halloween what else does this damn company want???
enough of iap, right?
there's already a lot of iap!!
what else do they want to raise?
the aurora season will come and there are already paid items in addition to the pass only in that will already profit
how many events are in the game?there are enough
and more than 70% of the items in these events are iap
so tell me we run after candles for what?if most items are paid?and the few free ones are either ugly or too simple 😠

[silent crater]

I think I'm gonna get off this chat for a bit. You guys have fun in here, just remember to debate with respect and dignity. I'm going to try and focus on my commissions now! Please don't set the entire chat ablaze while I'm gone. 🦆 ❤️

EDIT: oh, oop, uh I finished typing when you sent that @lapis flame, sorry!!!

[cosmic orchid]

they'll add more, and more, and more and more

their view on that is "More options to choose from"
so yeah, we will pretty much have to deal with that
some people will still demand more cosmetics, else they'll skip the events
they made the events as an off-season way to introduce things and sell iaps, so you better know that they won't missing having and adding iaps on events because thats their main point

[pliant spoke]

That’s part of the issue tho
They only see us as a wallet:’)

[tacit field]

hi wwhats happening

[spark lance]

I didn’t mean to put words in your mouth, I understand what you’re saying. My point is if you’re a f2p player, then you’ll be locked off certain cosmetics. To say that’s a flaw is less on sky and more on the entire mobile game model. I just want people to not blow things way out of proportion

[solar pagoda]

War

[clever cradle]

I want to be the little meow meow

Also how many cosmetics for season of Aurora are there that are including season pass, it's the only thing I plan on buying as I'm a student and I'm not using my money to pay 30 dollars for cat hair and a cape

[mortal escarp]

most mobile games (that people play) don't have as many iap as sky

[gilded parrot]

Quick reminder!

Use this channel discuss Days of Mischief or other Beta-related topics! This keeps discussions organized in this testing phase.
For Season of AURORA chatter, head to #beta-season-test-chat
💭 Continue to send your feedback in #beta-feedback! This chat isn't a replacement for that.

[toxic monolith]

yeah, that’s totally understandable. The main issue that i think most people are frustrated about, is that the halloween cosmetics are more than half IAP. which in that, is too much. but yeah you’re right, the entire mobile game model is going that route. most mobile games tho, have something other than cosmetics that drive people to their game. I totally respect what you’re saying tho

a lot of sky iap are also way too expensive for the stuff they’re offering

[spark lance]

Free meow meow mr crabs!

[spark walrus]

ideally there should be a balance in the amount of iap and free ig cosmetics

[vale quartz]

i really hope this gets resolved nicely :o

[spark lance]

The only games i could think of that might rival sky in IAPs are gacha games

[maiden moth]

Should Also mention, y'all shouldn't be surprised because people finally snapped 😁
There had been so much going on + valid criticism being discard.and as time went on ,this was the cherry on top of all the scandals before hand. Let people express their frustration
Do not shut them down because they're mad at a companies decision
If there's no valid feedback,we wouldn't move forward as a community

Let people rage,let people express their dissapointed and try to find solutions without it leading to huge debates like what's happening right now. If we're not allowing valid criticism and feedback on board ,and opinions that hold weight. nobody will earn satisfaction
This is not just f2p players being upset,this is affecting everyone.

[undone kiln]

20$ marshmallow was so expensive only few ppl buying it

[cunning lintel]

im gna be very disappointed if tgc ignores the players and carries through with their money-obsessed plan

[low dew]

I myself is a person who can pay
But seeing thing changed making F2P player less chances to get good items make me sad

[mellow atlas]

Thank you to the mods & devs reading/replying to all this, I imagine it’s pretty rough
Mods, you’re doing a great job, but remember to take breaks if you need
Devs, even though your game is being criticized, don’t think the game is bad- it was good enough to draw this many people to it in the first place, so it was unavoidable that a large argument like this would break out eventually
Take care

Edit: Pls ping if you reply

[tiny tinsel]

at least other mobile games are self aware of their capitalism lol

[molten monolith]

Honestly they should at least give option to buy separate iap cosmetics for acceptable prices and not force players to buy an entire super overly expensive bundle by wooing them with a single cosmetic then shoving it in there 🤔

Plus sky prices are kinda crazy, a pack for 2-3 cosmetics can afford a whole game and expansions on steam it's too much

[jade arrow]

You see, players would appreciate if they're not persistently locked off of so many items and so many good items. No one complained about the the cute cat prop, right? Look at the ratio and of free currency to IAP. It's extremely lopsided. The current model that TGC is adopting is catered towards privileged players and that's a huge change and downfall. That way we are just expected expected agree that Sky is becoming just another social game in the Appstore. So people are giving feedback, with the cat hair being the focus because what happened..

[upper bronze]

honestly if theyre not gonna make old IAPs IGC after a while then they really dont need to keep piling on new IAPs every single year

[gentle ice]

wait, more than 24 hours and nothig has been said about this ?????

[spark lance]

After this episode people will remember this beta update

[sand dawn]

but they do have to keep making money…
so unless they come up with a better way to make money from players as IAP exclusives..
they will keep adding IAP

making old IAP free is gonna cause far more complaints, from the players TGC values most, those who pay for the game.

[ocean cedar]

They're basically on a weekend break rn, so we'll have to wait until Monday.

[summer cave]

All the cat things are behind a paywall, the mask is just a slightly ticked off moth now, it shouldnt even count.

[toxic monolith]

I think they should just make more new items igc instead. making old iaps now free will make a lot of people upset at the money they spent. i think this issue happened before. i don’t think it’s a great idea to make old iap free. but to fix the imbalance, make newer ones free in abundance

and i don’t mean make EVERY new item igc, but y’all have to admit there needs to be a balance,, right?

[spark lance]

It's a weekend, wait till Monday

[maiden moth]

Little prince era 2.0
Truamatising

[hoary goblet]

They mostly got on a break for weekends, everyone needs a break from a job. We'll get something about it next week

[hybrid wedge]

Several devs have been in the chat multiple times the last few days. There’s also a pin of one of their posts in this channel.

[agile ridge]

TGC & CIA (detail: I'll keep sending this message until you all see it!) I'm Brazilian! WITH S and not with Z, land of Pau Brasil, land of a race that never gives up!. You should stop with this abusive way of solving things and it sounds to me that you are making as much money as you can and then selling the game. my name is HÖIMBU and as a sky player I've been dissatisfied with a lot of things I see for a long time, you guys reduced the quality of some items in the game to highlight others, you have bad bugs that hinder people's experience, and there are bugs that they help that you take away those that help, that is, it means that you know about the problems but only solve what the class uses for their benefit. You've gone from being an indie company a long time ago, don't increase your staff to improve the game, improve the quality, and improve other things. Where's that investment by the former pixar employee in your studio!? where is it !? to be quite frank, open your eyes, look at your company! the more time passes, the more people see that they are not paying to have a better game, they feel that they are supporting the people who work there, and I'm sorry if the truth hurts but it hurts even more to see my money going into tgc's account and not being returned in any corner improvements, you don't announce anything that happens in the company and don't even talk about any plans to improve the studio itself! you have to think that this game continues to exist because we love the game and not the company!!! I don't have a company or a pet game, but as a consumer I feel offended by your work on the game, and even more so because I feel like my money goes into the vault instead of helping to improve the game. it's bugs and bugs, connection problems, I'm being frank with you! something you don't seem to be! WAKE UP TGC FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!! the world is spinning guys! what planet do you live on?

[clever cradle]

It's starting to get out of hand with the amount of iaps there are for mischief too, but people would get mad cause they spent money

[boreal jewel]

I think the most unfair for F2p players is that there isn't any equal things. If I'm not wrong, there are 12 IAP items, whereas there's only 4 IGC items

Edit: I'm not saying anything about cat hairs anymore coz I said it earlier that I won't say anything related to that now

[real thorn]

Honestly, the "cat mask" doesn't even look like a cat mask anymore, its more like an angry moth mask

[upper bronze]

yeha in retrospect old iaps can stay iaps but like. the ratio of iap to igc is getting way waayyy lopsided

[woeful sinew]

here's everyone's hourly needed love

[spark lance]

I don’t think cosmetic clipping can ever be completely removed in a game of this nature. Some outfits rely on clipping, like the weasel mask and rice hat.

I think going through every single hair model and making it work with all or even some masks is a huge waste of resources and time. For hobbyists and fan artists, taking your time to make it perfect is a luxury that game makers don’t have. They have to consider what is a priority in sky, promises and deadlines. imo clipping is not a priority.

I think it only seems like so much because they are adding yet another new iap item in a recurring event. The first Halloween event it was all iap. It was only until the following did they add igc items so everyone can feel involved.

I don’t think it’s fair to look at the lopsided ness of iap when you haven’t considered that igc event items were done more recently.

[rustic leaf]

How exactly are you going to know when everyone in tgc has seen your message?

[hybrid wedge]

For context, part of the reason is because there’s been Days of Mischief in one way or another since 2019, so some of these items are really old—and people would be up in arms if they weren’t brought back. But IGC items didn’t start becoming a thing until later on. Note—TGC began adding IGC things in events because of player feedback.

[summer cave]

Literally exactly what i said.

[hybrid wedge]

To make sure this feedback is processed by staff, please post this in #beta-feedback! Staff aren’t able to follow all the posts in the chat channels

[spark lance]

it looks like a mistake 😭

[hoary goblet]

Reposting the same thing over and over again won't help anyone imho. It just clogs the chat and disrupts on going discussions. You can take part in a discussion and express your opinions but something like that is probably better off in #beta-feedback rather in a channel intended mostly for players to talk. Messages here get burried pretty quickly

[gilded parrot]

[agile ridge]

I have no idea, but they will have to see because I will repeat it from time to time.

[tiny tinsel]

wow i really agree with this tbh

[spark walrus]

speaking of clipping, I'm still waiting for flight's light whisperer hair physics to be fixed

[hybrid wedge]

Honestly, you don’t need to keep reposting til it’s seen. Staff regularly go through the feedback channels to report it to the rest of the devs

[livid ridge]

Mannn, cant the cat hair be free like that long curly witch hair already?
There are ways too many halloween pack with costly price
If this continue for the next 3 years, halloween event gonna cost people hundreds of dollars just to buy something they love

[undone kiln]

sky player gone every year every month my friend all Quit sky game becuse tgc make disappoint user like this time

[spark lance]

So Basically a previous civil war happened for IGCs? Interesting, I wasnt aware of that, maybe it happened when I took a break

[low dew]

If the cat hair go back to IGC
Alot of old player and new one will come

[boreal jewel]

Lol but if for f2p players, it is like leftovers, I mean if everything or good things will be IAP, then there isn't anything for f2p players to enjoy those days and the fun will be ruined

[still mauve]

Well it obviously WAS free with a price but ehem it was taken away since it got a lot of attention.

[hybrid wedge]

@rustic leaf there’s no need to be antagonistic towards someone

[signal sedge]

send it to #beta-feedback not here ! here is for discussion

[inland nimbus]

Sky needs to lower prices to its most assiduous customers.

[junior marsh]

& spoke ! Also people say “just don’t get the cosmetics if you can’t afford” the whole game is about cosmetics, literally. Almost everyone looks forwards to cosmetics. So obviously everyone wants the cutest/coolest things in game. People who defend tgc like if it’s a 9-5 job for them 😭

[agile ridge]

I sent the message to the recommended place, I'm not afraid to tell them the truth as a player, after all, it really seems that they only care about what's best for them, I'm sorry for anything but an indignation nurtured by each mistake and bad work for them.

[hybrid wedge]

I’m not sure where you got the idea that there was a “civil war,” that’s an odd phrase to use.

From what I saw—there were small events with a couple IAP. People left feedback wishing there was stuff they could get too with candles or hearts. It took some time, but eventually TGC implemented IGC stuff.

[maiden moth]

^^^

[spark lance]

While I also want cat hair back it is demoralizing to see so many hate on the edge lord mask, and the witch hair + maple cape as being “leftovers” I think they’re great, but I guess the anime cat aesthetic is too strong

[livid ridge]

I dont think they would care about that lmao
The only thing tgc care is the money they gonna grab from us. Not the player emotion or better game experience for players

[low dew]

True
Just saying how TGC are ruining their own game,making people leave

[ashen tusk]

Impeccable timing as always

[clever cradle]

The only thing I pay for is season pass, the cosmetics are always too pricy for me , and I think they'd be making more money if cosmetics that are iap were cheaper cause then more people will buy

[hybrid wedge]

@gritty sluice please don’t use this channel to spread arguments or conflicts in other communities

[placid herald]

Tbh, I find it kind of sad that TGC added f2p cosmetics to events only after players asked for it, and not after actually thinking about their f2p players that didn’t have anything during said events.

And even to this day, there’s nothing fair about having 12 iaps to 4 igc cosmetic in a single event. F2p players deserve more.

[hoary goblet]

I agree with you and I'm entirely on the player's side, however reposting a text wall is spammy and clogs the channel, it doesn't help anyone

[spark lance]

If the Cat Hair is an IAP, they should make a Cat Ear Hairband for IGCs, just to balance things out

[spark walrus]

the witch hair and maple cape are definitely not leftovers. last year's DoM was pretty good with them introducing two solid igc items (the table too, but i cant remember if that was new or not)

[gritty sluice]

Other communities?? It’s the sky community? And a lot of people there spoke up on that subreddit before I made my post about my thoughts, it’s a an issue there as well as this channel tbh and players speaking up on different platforms about sky isn’t exactly spreading conflict. I didn’t encourage anyone to leave sky or review bomb or anything. I just stated my stance

[scarlet stump]

Oh my god, I was just trying to get to Eden and it keeps crashing.
What the hell is going on, .

[uneven lotus]

Y E S ⬆️ The reverse could also work imo

[hybrid wedge]

I get that perspective. I simply offer that context to show why the count is the way it is, and to show one of the substantial ways that player feedback has been incorporated in events.

[low dew]

Agree
If they still want meow meow hot sale and not dissapoiting F2P player
Just make something familiar (def not the mask,make a hair thingy plz)

[wild yoke]

Bro players in china are some very mad rn

[hybrid wedge]

Beta gonna beta ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[jovial aurora]

i feel like cat hairband will suit more to iap since it can be used to every hairstyles while the cat hair only have one single style and you def cannot change it.

[placid iron]

hi nagati I hope ur having a very beanful day

[boreal jewel]

After this f2p players be like: let's leave live and start playing in beta, atleast we will get free stuffs hahaha

[undone kiln]

look at marshmallow too expensive not even pretty just some stick D: thet is 20$

[pliant spoke]

I agree :’)
I feel like people are missing the point,
The mask n hair was a finial straw, I’ve spent money on sky and I’m so sick of it.

It’s not about the cosmetic, it’s just a breaking point.
20$ usd for a marshmallow stick? Are you kidding me?? Enough is enough. This comes down to not listing and respecting the players imo. Like I said, I love sky, I paid to support them. But I’m done paying to support predatory practices

[spark lance]

I want cat hairband 😍 i just want to be meow meow

Cats are so loved and everyone want to be cute
Giving the possibility to have it for free and taking it Away is reasonable the anger . The feeling of powerlessness and frustration of having one of their favorite cosmetics taken away is so cruel 🤧

[amber harness]

the thing that makes simple stuffs exp might be the bonus candols

[hybrid wedge]

It’s fine to share your thoughts on beta testing for Days of Mischief. But given how much conversation is happening, as a mod I have to ask that this channel focus on its main topic, not get into discussion of the chat threads in other communities

[livid ridge]

I really think tgc should spend more time to fix bug and try give player better game experience rather than giving us more expensive, meaningless season and grinding candles event

[rare blade]

RIGHT AND 9.99 FOR THE RAINBOW BEANIE like i get TGC wants to earn money but 9.99 for a single cosmetic 🤨

[tame merlin]

Actually it’s fair to have mamy IAP because they need to male momey someway and it’s not like EVERYONE buys all and each of those IAP, they have many so people can choose if they like any, but a lot of IAP just have been bad and havent got many sells

Yes they should add more IGC items but just because they have mamy IAP doesnt make it unfair, they need to pay a lot of people to keep the game and company running

[rigid quarry]

There’s a limit to how much we could pay. It’s getting too IAP based.

[hybrid wedge]

Thank you, you too!

@ocean cedar That rudeness was inappropriate

[low dew]

Cat headband or cat witch hat would definitely a hot sale replacing the cat hair

[spark walrus]

i thought and was hoping they'd fix the way the marshmallow prop would display on the avatar's back before charging people for it

[maiden moth]

People don't like those IAPs because it's a single cosmetic Begin overpriced sweetie ... 😁

[jade arrow]

I agree with some outfits rely heavily on clipping and I agree with the things about priorities and deadlines. Not to refute that, but I also feel TGC is not doing a good job with prioritizing either— but they've worked in some so, okay, I won't turn a blind eye to that.

But would you agree that the clipping problem is at least a problem? Anyways, I did mention this in context to the not-cat-mask, so I've strayed a bit. I still think the original design was better in spite of its clipping problems than the generic mask we have got even though it's cute in its way.

Okay, but here I don't agree with your sentiment. About the first Halloween being IAP and only recently adding IGC.

Do you mean to imply that F2P players should be grateful because of that? Yes they did a good job then and we expect them to maintain that. The ratio is lopsided regardless and they could balance it out by adding the Halloween item that's actually liked.

The curly with hair is from last year. So is a simple mask the only cosmetic for F2P players to look forward to this year?

TGC doesn't owe us fairness in theory, yes. But then it would just be another rich player's game and against the vibe they're going for.

And honestly I haven't been able to get myself to play the game in last 2 days because of the team's choices. It leaves a sour taste in my mouth. I don't intend to boycott the game unless there's a big plan but can't bring myself to play with same wonder as of currently.

[hybrid wedge]

@teal spire post deleted. If your impulse is to post something rude, then don’t post.

[glossy shale]

where do i buy the cat hair i can't find it

[amber harness]

gone reduced to iaps

[still mauve]

I don't think there's even a chance of explaining something to them because they've been here for so long denying our complaints and js sticking to their point , honestly it's like talking to a wall

[jovial aurora]

YESSS we definitely already have our favorite hairstyles then imagine we can add cat ear to it it'll be lovely

[spark lance]

Sorry to give you the news
Cat hair is no longer with us

[iron nacelle]

a good compromise would be for the cat hair to return to igc and instead a cat ear accessory and the cat mask be put into the iap pack

[boreal jewel]

Tbh, chaos started from hairs and mask to iap and igc lol, this is major change day by day, I wonder what staff be thinking onto this that members are keep changing mind lolol, not offending anyone, just saying that the change of feedbacks is interesting to me

[hybrid wedge]

People have a right to their opinions, whether it’s agreement or disagreement with something in the game

[dawn jolt]

I am disappointed that The tgc make The IGC item to IAP item just because we like it. It make me not dare to express my preference anymore

[sand dawn]

I just wrote about that in feedback!
if they’d make the cat hair free but add just cat ears (accessory) as iap
everyone could have cat hair, but IAP would offer more freedom to combine ears with other hairs (including witch hat if that’s your style)

[placid herald]

I strongly disagree. While I do understand they “need money”, it’s not my point at all.

There can be both many iaps, and many igc.
Just because they do a lot of iaps for money purposes doesn’t mean they can’t do many igc cosmetics to make it fair for f2p players.
Because it is unfair for f2p players. TGC can add more for them while still keeping their iaps.

It looks like you’re one of the lucky one that is able to buy stuff, not everyone has this chance.

@hybrid wedge (sorry to ping you here but I’m on a cooldown)
Understandable. Sorry about his behavior, that shall not happen again.

[low dew]

The best profit resolution atm i'd agree with 2 meow meow hair item for both company and the player,it'd be fair

[hybrid wedge]

To clarify, one of the staff have come into the channel and explained that the decision was made internally before the first build was released. The switch was NOT due to seeing player feedback after the first day.

[maiden moth]

Thank you 😊
It's honestly impressive must say at least,i can't even bare with this at this point 🤷

[thin bobcat]

Why beta is causing so much of problem like internet connection is poor? When my internet connection is totally okay..

[hushed grove]

yeah, this time, their decision was the tip of the iceberg for everyone, and TGC was constantly twisting the prices around, so everyone got very angry

[hybrid wedge]

@placid herald there’s no need to make assumptions about a person or their financial situation because of their perspective on IAPs. This too quickly becomes antagonistic and easily sparks personal arguments.

[agile ridge]

About my message, do not worry, because I will not repeat it, I did what the staff recommended.

[spark lance]

This ^^^

Any cat related cosmetic is cheat sheet to easy money for any company, cause players cant resist the urge to buy meow meow related stuff.

[modest junco]

i wonder what tgc is thinking while reading all this...
what goes through their minds.. what decisions are being discussed..and what is their reaction to this?

[hybrid wedge]

Because beta is always very buggy. That’s just how beta is by its nature ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[jade arrow]

I guess we just gonna see Sky shred down to any other money grabbing game at this point. It was nice while it lasted.

[amber harness]

wish i can fast forward time to DoM rq

[signal sedge]

Yes, i believe many players just don’t believe that. Ive heard different things

[stone shard]

i am genuinely curious as well

[still mauve]

It's not likely they're reading this most likely they're only in feedback but it might possible.

[hoary goblet]

They've gotten a donation of $160 million not too long and earn an estimate of $20 million per year. I'm not sure what you're getting at but a poor balance between IAPs and IGC items does in fact make it unfair, it's self explanatory. I genuinely don't understand how in your words any of this is fair

[signal folio]

Clearly they've been trying to increase revenue from sky, so genuinely what way can they do it. I dont think 9.99 for single IAPs without free candles is the way though.

I was thinking "hmm maybe an annual pass" but with the way seasons are so hit or miss now I don't think a lot of people would risk paying for something sight unseen.

They've got the merch store, but I'd imagine cost of production is a lot. I think if most items came with a star pin feature more people would be tempted. Like if your buy irl clothes your skykid gets them too. If you buy a krill plushie you get a krill shoulder buddy.

I dont know what they'll do

[hybrid wedge]

A few staff have been in this channel over the last couple days, and one of their posts has been pinned that might give some insight

[mellow atlas]

As a f2p player, was wondering why you think we deserve more things? We have gotten this whole game free, with amazing visuals and an amazing soundtrack
Side note, having a professional orchestra record music for anything is very expensive, professional musicians have high salaries
Not to mention that tgc staff also needs salaries, just like we do (or your parents if you’re too young)
So imo, I think that the game itself is the most important, exploring new places and meeting new people, instead of what specific hair style you have while exploring

Edit: ping if replying please

[pliant spoke]

This apparently 💀,
Like I understand there upset, but I wish they could just admit they messed up n improve on it

#beta-discussion message

[undone kiln]

yea me too i pay Iap many time but marshmallow? and cat hair mask?i wil not buying it never it very Disappoin i fell like tgc only want money

[spark lance]

come one the cat hair didnt change yet? how many hours its been?

[languid snow]

Then why making it for candles firstly, to directly disappoint people? How can that even be a accident?

[thorn trout]

Still abt cat hair topic or nah?

[livid ridge]

I kinda feel bad for the mod though they will have to deal with the rage till tgc decide to do something soon.

[tame merlin]

Yes I understand thay but if they make many IGC then they wont get many sells in IAP items therefore they won’t get enough profits to keep everything going, and TBH TGC have done a great work in Sky and it keeps getting better and better so its unfair to say THEY are unfair with us when actually they’re not, they have to be smart about their bussiness because wrong steps could literally make them ruin all their hard work and go broke

[safe glade]

Well right now they are thinking nothing because we are on weekend break

[maiden moth]

People littraly await for new seasons,events and TS to arrive. For their cosmetics
Making less igc items is discouraging ,and seeing people defend the switch from igc to iap is outrageous

Needing money is fair and square,but this is not it
Even people who can afford the cosmetics are littraly on f2p players side like me and many others . it's not just about f2p players

[ocean cedar]

We're gonna have to wait until Monday,

[spark lance]

Guys let's not gang on people okay even if they have an really unpopular opinion. Everyone is free to express their point of view. And some people don't have the maturity to handle others disagreement and considering it as an attack. Let's not paint ourselves as villains by getting too personal.
Block and move on.

[hybrid wedge]

I encourage people to share their feedback on the cat mask in #beta-feedback! This is only the second build, so it’s extremely early in the testing process. TGC regularly adjust cosmetics’ appearances based on feedback, it’s not like the mask is set in stone

[naive dragon]

its not only about the cat hair we r talking generally about the whole iap and igc prices and how its expensive even the igc stuff am not here to spend around 2 or more hours getting candles

[spark lance]

You think if there is an equal amount of igc and iap they won’t make much money?

[signal folio]

Appearances, not prices?

[junior marsh]

SPEAK ON IT! Imagine wanting to pay so much money on digital items. That money could be used on needs. Not everyone can afford to buy wants. TGC is just money hungry now.

[still mauve]

Well it's the weekend so it's not like we'll get noticed wait until Monday cuz that's when the staff is more active

@tame merlin yes you have a point they're doing great work in sky but not in the community, and they're very smart they're profiting and taking advantage of course they're smart , and of course one movement is not listening to our complaints cuz this was the last straw the players have had honestly were completely tired

[hushed grove]

it’s true, things are subject to change, and I don’t think they’re gonna keep the cat mask the way that it is, since majority of the people here are fuming rn

[ashen tusk]

I understand the skepticism, I do, but I would advise to look back over the timeline of events in that we received the first build on the 25th(? what day even is it anymore) and the second the day after - it's not possible for them to have changed their minds and rework things that fast so it's likely that they had already discussed the change of IGC to IAP and mask changes too before we even got the first build. I imagine the reason we got the first build and the patch notes was to do with scheduling or miscommunication and the second build was to correct this.

[boreal jewel]

Can't owl hair can be replaced as cat mask? I mean it'll look dope right? Or valley hairs, or that samurai hat
Those can replace cat hairs well, so I think it's fine, just need cat mask looks good

[hybrid wedge]

Based on how humans work? There are a lot of people working on different teams. It can easily happen that the decision was made, but it took time for it to actually be implemented. A project as big as Sky beta testing is complex and moves faster than build updates (which can take days to make and release)

[thorn trout]

Ohh alright alright keep going yall

[signal sedge]

Oh yes! i don’t necessarily agree or disagree, was just commenting on the fact that some people don’t believe thats what happened

[iron nacelle]

i believe both versions of the cat mask should be in, i personally quite like the less detail version we currently have but also quite like the old design, my only gripe with the old design is that its quite small and having it extended down a little would look much better, keeping the current cat mask as igc and the old version as iap would be a much better compromise

[placid herald]

I’m a f2p player too.
I just feel like with every iaps they add to the game as the time passes, f2p players could also get a bit more for themselves too.
Again, I’m not implying that TGC should make less iaps, that’s their choices, I’m saying that there could be more f2p cosmetics too.
I understand that they need money to maintain their game in place, to pay salary and everything that a game company needs money for, hence why I’m not complaining about the iaps, rather the amount of igc in comparison.

I agree this game is beautiful and we’re already lucky to play it for free, but it took such a turn that almost every time I try to chat with someone in game, they judge me by what cosmetic I wear.

[spark lance]

Make as much iap they want
Just give free options too

[silver lark]

Wasn’t it only changed after there was a boycott of some sort? I don’t exactly remember the details but just from what I’ve heard
Also that was typed out of a whim, my apologies

[modest junco]

Well it's good news, they're willing to make good IGC items and improve the cat mask model
i don't understand why the huge fire is still spreading.. perhaps i missed something
because i'm honestly glad we're heard at some point
and for those who can purchase in app purchases also hv their share.. i think i missed something because thix flame is not decreasing-

[hybrid wedge]

No, it was after people sent in feedback

[maiden moth]

They're really smart don't you think 😊
They're ABSLOUTLY smart for making as many iaps as possible but not providing equal amount of good quality igc cosmetics ,what a smart move <3 (/lh)

[still mauve]

Give free options → see the free option is getting attention → instant profit ( perfect plan they're smart ) oh and I forgot to add → and then call it a mistake

[spark lance]

can we take a moment to discuss how tgc got millions in funding and investments recently so dont use " theyre a small company" as an excuse. because they're not anymore, and they do make enough to support themselves and their endeavours

[boreal jewel]

Idk about days Or events in sky, but as a f2p player, I appreciate the tgc to made the seasonal spirits come as ts in future by giving items in igc, that is really good thing they did, so I appreciate that much to them

[mellow atlas]

Really? I’m sorry, I actually haven’t had that happen to me, but sounds like a lot of pressure from other players to buy things then

[tame merlin]

Just because they don’t give us everything we ask doesnt mean they failed the community because they’ve listen to us before like when we ask for free rainbow pants

And it was the last straw for you because me and many others will continue playing even without cat hair because Sky is fun because of the experience with friends rather than some cosmetics so if you are leaving thanks for playing

[pliant spoke]

When there asking for a months salary it’s hard to say it’s fair :/

TGC is not a small indie company, They have a huge funding and million networth. One mistake isn’t gonna cost them much. These choices are predatory and captalizing on the majority of the user base who are chidren. They don't invest on fixing long requested bugs but focus on what brings them more bucks each update. (TGC)Companies are not your friends if they ignore your help requests to improve the player/game's health and joy.

PLUS look at one of my previous messages, I’ll put this here again:

#beta-discussion message

:’)

[iron nacelle]

honestly, if it was planned to be in their in the beginning than why was it placed as igc in the first place? it feels like a huge bait and switch, especially if they had a week beforehand.

[spark lance]

By monday the heat about the cosmetics will be gone, and we will all just accept TGCs reason on why the Cat Hair will remain as an IAP

[silver lark]

Oh, I see, I misunderstood then 😔

[junior marsh]

They literally aren’t a small company anymore. They make tons of money with their overpriced merch as well, you’re defending this like if this is your 9-5 job. It’s inconsiderate to not see things from pov from other people who adore the game & also want their sky kid to look cute in game but almost all the cosmetics they want isn’t affordable for them to get and it’s unfair.

[still mauve]

Yes I agree with the first part but the pants they listened to that once a year, and no I will not continue to play sky if the environment/gameplay is based on cosmetics and money , it's sad to see you don't realize this game isn't about friendship anymore maybe you don't care about cosmetics but that doesn't mean others don't have to, and I don't think many others will continue to play since the game now is about grinding candles desperately for 2-3 igc items

[spark lance]

oh damn

[agile hazel]

I"ll just repost my earlier message so people can understand how the mistakes happened
The timeline from the information I gathered

-OG mask and hair are part of the 1st build
-1st build gets sent off for review, since it's a new major update it can take 1-2 weeks for review
-TGC decide to change hair to IAP and redesign the mask
-Changes are added to 2nd build and send off for review which can take up to 48 hours
-Information is not properly communicated to Sagomay
-1st build gets released with incorrect information
-2nd build gets released roughly 24 hours later and all hell breaks loose

[hybrid wedge]

When things are in development, there can be a bunch of conversations happening at once going back and forth, and things put somewhere as placeholders. The first beta build in a new patch is always the roughest.

Plus, the change was in a build the next day. That’s not enough time to look at player feedback, make a change, spend a bunch of time making the new build, and QA test it for approval to release

[spark lance]

It's so hard to have a decent conversation with people when they're always downplaying your arguments with
Is not that deep bro arguments 😑 like coming with biased arguments against people with facts can be really frustrating. I don't belive they're "defending" tgc it's more like they're using it to go against people complaining. 🤷🤦🏾‍♀️

[livid ridge]

Sky has been 3 years old now and you still think it's a smart company? i mean the skyshop, charity, collab season and even offline event?
3 years and they are still a small company then they probaly failed the job of making game lmao

[spark lance]

listen if you wanna support tgc, go right ahead. candle packs are aways available 100% of the time. its not seasonal. and you can buy their merch in shops . How about you purchase a 100 candle pack and a 100 umbrella. instead of trying to throw the rest of the community under the bus for overpriced items in the name of trying to support the company.

[shy bronze]

Outfits in sky shouldn't be more expensive than outfits in real life. End of.

[iron nacelle]

seeing how much attention this have gathered everywhere, i doubt it.

[hybrid wedge]

@hoary goblet please leave out the personal remarks in your discussion. They have the right to respectfully share their perspective just as much as you do

[rigid quarry]

May be add more candles with it but, they don’t give extra candles either.

Also m unable to launch sky beta on my android for some reason.

[signal sedge]

guys if people are refusing to listen to other thoughts and are just needlessly arguing you can block. If you feel something is harassment or not okay you can also report to tgc! Try to be respectful and have constructive conversations

[undone kiln]

i thing tgc is not small company

[zinc gate]

yea

[ocean cedar]

Ppl are using the small company excuse again? Bruh.

[low dew]

I'd love if the reaction keep going on
I want other f2p to get meow meow

[jade arrow]

You think people would stick to the game that's repetitive at best? The lore is too vague to keep people invested without cosmetics. Sure we can explore new events for free but many, many players would feel under dressed compared to players who look cooler. It's good that you're not tempted by it. As for me, I wouldn't have enjoyed the game if I wasn't dressed a certain way. I was lucky to have the botanist hair when I joined and I waited endlessly for Shell collector to come. Without a good looking cosmetic to look forward to, there's hardly any reason to grind candles in this game. Sure friendship is a thing and there are cute moments but you can't change how cosmetics influence how the skykid is perceived. And many players are still lonely because in the end the players are humans after all and don't like hanging out with everyone.
Cosmetics are important to some players because of their OCs and OCs are a big thing in Sky community, it creates so many fan content and therefore advertisement to bring more players. OCs help players to get attached the game more than it allows on paper.

Also, I pretty sure there are lot of social anxious introverts in this game. I don't like being myself when I play, but my OCs are kinder, braver, warmer. Playing Sky looking like them is therapeutic to me. But this is a personal anecdote!

Also pictures. I love my recent pictures more than my moth pictures or any other picture before I got my desired cosmetic. So it's important to some people.

TGC can chose to ignore these wants but it would ultimately lead to people not wanting to stay.
Also if a F2P player feels left out, they'd always be a tad bit sad when they're with friends who can afford something something want.

One time, two time, it's okay. But at this rate it's repetitive and leaves a negative feeling.

[hybrid wedge]

If arguments keep moving towards being critical of a fellow community member instead of focusing on beta itself, I or other mods will remove them

[pliant spoke]

It wasn’t planed tho, the patch notes are unfortunately proof that this situation was just cause they wanted money n confirmed there predatory behavior:’(

Here’s proof:

https://youtu.be/d7eN7YFbyP0

[west scroll]

Did they showed how much cat bundle is?

[still mauve]

Exactly, they're a millionaire company with someone from Pixar , is Pixar cheap? I don't think so.

@west scroll it was 66 CANDLES

[spark lance]

Support my small company business

[fallow patio]

If tgc changes anything, which would you prefer cat hair or a fixed mask? I would prefer hair because i only use 2-3 masks including chibi

[spark lance]

This is starting to become a daily plan for me,
Wake up
Open discord
Enter to #beta-discussion
Get miserable
Leave

If people lash out they'll just put the message cd to 20-40 min or nuke the entire channel, They've done it before, at this point, I think I'm becoming too numb, to the point that I'm not even mad, disappointed or sad, just nothing.

[spark lance]

it is exactly a bait and switch. the patch notes even said that the hair is meant to be in game currency . and then they decided to make it iap because people loved it so much. Beta players are now afraid to voice their love for an item in fear of tgc making it an iap . isnt that kind of toxic ? i feel like beta test is less of testing for bugs , and more of a marketing test to see which items are liked and then cranking up the prices and putting the items behind a paywall.

[hoary goblet]

Personal remarks¿ There was none. I acknowledged the fact that they can have their opinions as well and was in no way rude to them👨‍🦯

[hybrid wedge]

It’s okay to put Discord away for a bit, or to mute this channel if it’s just stressful

[ocean cedar]

Why not both?

Though honestly, I prefer fixed cat mask more than hair cuz I'm a mask collector

[silent crater]

I'm back and oh my god y'all are still going.

[junior marsh]

Get off discord and go touch some grass & I don’t mean the grass in sky game. You literally doing all this for free.

[limpid pumice]

For real same.

[low dew]

There are not enough free meow meow item
I afraid atm all meow meow are not free
Bad,sad for F2P player,no meow meow

[hybrid wedge]

@tame merlin drop the personal arguments. I removed your post.

[mellow atlas]

I understand that, I really do
My Sky gameplay over the past couple years has switched from grinding to just hanging out in beautiful areas with my friends instead
I always felt more respect towards someone who has a top tier cape from one of the original spirits, because it means they put in the work to get a lot of candles and hearts to get that
Again, this is just my opinion/mindset

I have to go, so bye everyone

[hybrid wedge]

Take care, Harley!

@maiden moth drop it please

[modest junco]

I'm honestly gonna go with whatever tgc decides
if it's going to become an in game currency item then hurray! i'll be the first to get it
and if it's going to remain as an in app purchase i'd just hope they'll make it an only item for like $9.99 bcs i don't really have a large budget to spend but i'd love to get the hair at a fair price

Although i select few items to be able to purchase in IAPs, i still wish if tgc could make the upcoming IAPs cheaper, i struggle to get enough money for what i want tear drop
and the list of in app purchases goes on and on and-
i know there are many people like me and many who can't pay for in app purchases and many whom money is not an issue for them,(i'm speaking facts) and what i hope for is the whole comunity to be satisfied with the outcome
make it balanced, add more cooler IGCs, make it fair and legit.
draw smiles on skykids faces, trust me it's worth it.
so whatever makes the comunity satisfied is what i'm supporting

[jade arrow]

I appreciate the kindhearted response. And I wish it was easier to think like that. I'm in awe. I wish you a good day!

[spark lance]

I can't live without discord Thanks though

Maybe it's just a prank yall know
Trick or treatt hahahaah so funny

[hybrid wedge]

🤝
😂

[spark lance]

An out of season April Fools Joke?

[warm grove]

HOLY PASTA Y'ALL STILL NOT GIVING UP AFTER MORE THAN 24 HOURS (stay strong btw is anything new?)

[shadow thorn]

So how to get beta-invite？

[low dew]

If meow meow hair is in seasonal pass
People wouldnt complain as much?
I mean,if tgc still want hot sale,there are alot of option on how they wouldnt upset players

[hybrid wedge]

@brave rock I understand the sentiment, but please do not use your posts to name call others—it’s fine to say that posts, rather than people, are aggressive

[blazing creek]

guys I’m confused👀 will we get days of summer?

[livid ridge]

Let's see how long this rage gonna go cant wait till they decide to shut down this channel for a couple days just like when that hat incident in season of dream happened

[devout needle]

Stop with the personal comments jesus

[hybrid wedge]

@tame merlin stop with the personal remarks about other people.

[velvet sleet]

it's happening rn i guess, then the lazy days evt also

[spark lance]

They always have. but the thing is tgc isnt small anymore. they have a huge team behind them and people are still viewing the company as a small group of devs who started the game. That isnt the case. and we can no longer use it as an excuse.
they havent been fixing some major bugs that have been around for literally years now. I find it weird how even the chinese server gets free hairs and items every now and then during events. however the international servers get nothing . literally nothing. when was the last time we got a completely free item? no candles, no hearts, no nothing - free item? Never. even the anniversary crown costed hearts. So just take a minute and consider how little they really care for the player base in order to go on for years without ever giving out a free item to award us for our loyalty and efforts in this game. we spend every day running for candles in order to save up for items, and in this case, they waved it infront of our faces and just as we thought we'd be able to grasp it. they take it away from us and put it behind a paywall. People are allowed to be upset about this. People are allowed to be angry. .and thats what this whole discussion is all about.

Theres been a huge divide in the 'classes' in sky recently. You can definitely tell whos a f2p player and whos a p2w player. Its fine to have iaps, its fine to make money off of the game. However, lets count how many iaps have come out in recent times in comparison to free event items? We've been getting scraps. and now we cant even get a cat hair ? thats disappointing really. TGC made a bad decision and people are voicing out their opinions. im tired of kids defending tgc on this and saying " if you dont want to pay then dont pay" so what . f2p players dont deserve anything nice then?

[junior marsh]

@tame merlin I’m using my voice to speak up for f2p players 🙏 I’m not f2p

[final garden]

Lazy Days is Days of Summer/Days of Summer Lights. We won't have an event called Days of Summer this year, but we are getting it in the form of Lazy Days

[silent crater]

Doesn't TGC usually get (at least) a million every month just from iAPs?

[spark lance]

This year? Yes but it was replaced with Lazy Days.

[maiden moth]

@tame merlin
I'm sorry what did you just say?
This is a grown married woman you're talking to ,and she works hard everyday

If you're not here to help or send valid criticism, don't bring other people financial state here

[ocean cedar]

Messages are getting deleted left and right

[modest junco]

No i don't think so, though i think the last year's items will return in lazy days (?)
i honestly don't know i just heard some people say it

[hybrid wedge]

@feral marlin drop the personal remarks. Drop the argument.

[jade arrow]

I'm afraid if that happens people will flock to the Appstore, etc. to vent out their frustrations.

[hybrid wedge]

If they can’t follow the basic rules of not making personal attacks or rude comments, yes, I’ll delete them just as I warned that I would

[brave rock]

No problem, mate, will keep that in mind if i ever come back in here. Take care regardless, everyone

[hasty vessel]

What is your point? Do you or anyone know the cost of resources required to complete their current and future projects? Lemme know….

[spark lance]

$2.4M last month

Idk about the CN server tho

[spark lance]

o.o

[low dew]

people those can afford IAP have the right to defend F2P player ❤️ please dont think people those are defending F2P one are all F2P player ❤️
We all have friends in sky,F2P or IAP affordable one,all should have equal fairness

[tame merlin]

No im well awared that is not a small company anymore but small or big it needs the same amout of profits while it increases because the bigger the more workers to get pay and companies need a lot of work to keep running

[fleet hollow]

[blazing creek]

thank you it makes sense now

[silent crater]

Just putting it out there that they have funding to fix bugs... I'm an artist that takes commissions, I know it's not a one to one comparison, but I at least know things about managing money around necessities and resources.

[acoustic raptor]

[junior marsh]

SPEAK ON IT 🎤

[spark lance]

can we take a minute to recognize the fact that other than overhead costs in which they incur irregardless of whether they do anything else , it literally cost them nothing else in resources to give us a free hair ? they're pixels. theyre not selling merch to us for money. they're selling us pixels.

[boreal jewel]

Guys let's wait for some days, it's still August going on, and Mischief will come on October I think, so it's still some time to officially come in live, there might be more changes till then, it's been just a week since this happens, maybe tgc just wanted to know how people will react if they do some changes like that. So let's wait for tgc of what they do in next update.

[hasty moth]

idk i think f2p players can have one good item as a treat. its not like its harming any sales. people who buy the pack will buy the pack regardless

[hybrid wedge]

@north patrol you can make your point without the personal accusations or attacks

[cold coral]

[tardy kraken]

Horror

[spark lance]

still going on?
3 mins

[harsh nest]

yup

[spark lance]

Absolutely I'm not a f2p player but my friends are!
I'm here talking because i don't want my friends to quit sky because of the lack of content! they're leaving one by one!
This update made them so sad because they couldn't get on beta and were already making plans to save!
I can afford but my friends don't and what's sky if you're pretty but alone? For me is sad 🤧

[livid ridge]

But did they do well? Definitely no
All of the bug take ages to fix, the servet connection still too unstable, i can barely stay in a server with my friend and not to mention, sky server still broke down when ts arrive or something new happened
Surely they are big they need money but tgc should give us better experience too

[undone kiln]

agree

[flat furnace]

[blazing creek]

excited for fall leaf cape

[maiden moth]

This ^
Beta players also defending f2p and non f2p players as well

[modest junco]

Exactly
i can afford some selective IAPs but that does not make me become someone who doesn't care and not stand beside my fellow skykids whom are f2p players
i want whats best for all of us, i have many friends who are f2p and it just made me respect them with all my heart, wish more skykids were like this
i feel like skykids are my siblings
*pov: when you're an only child and find families in comunities *

[spark lance]

I agree . sky has alot of cosmetic collectors who buy things even if they look ugly or arent worth the price tag they put on it. It doesnt effect their sales. They're going to buy the pack for the cape anyways, why take away our hair in the mean time and put it inside the pack , out of reach for f2p players ? thats irresponsible of them to their community. Honestly they did us dirty

[spark lance]

Search "why EA is hated?"

[autumn elk]

As someone considered a “whale” in this game the cost of the item means very little to me.

However there is a very clear divide between haves and have nots which gets wider and wider with each event and it leads to some very unhealthy behaviors from both parties

Being able to gift IAP was a good step in the right direction to allow those who can afford to share with those who cannot, but not everyone can afford to buy several 20USD packs for people.

i would love for the cat hair to return as IGC im sure they will make it 120+ candles to make up for it not being iap to increase grind and stress and likelihood of people buying candle packs to afford the item.

Id in general like to see the contents of bundles sold at lower costs separately because theres a ton of things in bundles i know people don’t care for but buy because they like one thing out of it

[teal viper]

Holy crap, It's been almost 42h about this topic, Guys 😞

[hasty moth]

adding onto my own post actually: them replacing the mask with the hair in the iap makes me feel like they werent even confident about it selling in the first place lol
if theyre that worried then i just dont see a reason in the bundle even existing in the first place. idk. maybe thats just me

[twin gust]

as an f2p its sad because, you cannot get anything unless you are gifted it, or wait possibly years to be able to afford an iap for whatever reasons you may have. at this point its just sad and disappointing to see most of sky become a game thats not free-friendly as much as it used to be. most cosmetics are now paid for, and the ones that are free are either not as good anymore or plain without much detail on it ; like the way they down graded the cat mask.

[hushed grove]

it’s hard to believe that it’s still going on

[shadow stratus]

And we shall be at it for another 100h if they dont do anything about it

[spark lance]

And they’re right, TGC has to put it back to how it was and not suddenly change the igc to iap⚰️

[left quartz]

I agree with this, when I told my friend group about the cat hair being igc, they were so excited and now I can't bring myself to tell them it's not. I've lost sooo many friends due to the iAPs being too expensive. I buy everything that comes, but this last season I've been buying for friends who can't afford the AP anymore. Now this just hurts, not so much me, but others. For some on different countries if can get ridiculous. On friend said the iAPs can reach up to $40/$50 a piece.

[spark lance]

Warm my heart to read this
I just want my friends to enjoy everything. I love when we can match and play together

[velvet sleet]

Indeed. Every good stuffs are litterally iap or ap, while the good one in igc is really expensive and worth like 100+ candles. I'm quite shock of the price of the green pants in beta (they said around 200 candols im gonna cry)

[whole smelt]

yeah but. that’s also hours and hours of work ? and years and years of perfecting one’s craft? don’t belittle that /nbr

[woeful sinew]

more hourly love

[hoary goblet]

Them needing more profit (IF they do) doesn't give them the right to treat their f2p players unfairly. It's great that you can afford the cosmetics! I do too and I'm a huge whale in certain games. But there's a crystal clear need to cater to p2w players with the way they come out with less IGC items, and some would even argue in poorer quality as well, compared to IAP items.

[cold coral]

Yeah that's what I was thinking too. Sadly not everyone can work, make money or spend it in this game, especially with how expensive IAPs are. Yet, we should still be able to enjoy cosmetics like those who can afford it do. The IAP-IGC ratio is straight up sad.

[hasty moth]

yeah exactly, people who like the stuff wouldve bought it already. having the hair as igc isnt hurting anything since people will probably buy candle packs anyway to even reach that far up in the tree lol (not counting people who candle run regardless to catch up without spending)
just having it as iap only looks.. horrible. not to mention that prices in beta arent actually VISIBLE and are just listed as "free" instead which imo kind of take away from giving feedback on the price of the iap itself

[hushed grove]

it should stay that way well, preferably

[north patrol]

I don’t want to put up a fight, but the opposing party hasn’t exactly been doing a very good job of that either. I believe some people have found their messages are rather aggressive and hurtful too, and you had previously deleted a message of theirs for similar reasons to mine.

With someone who continuously aggravates and implies that us players are just stirring drama for the sake of it, I don’t think it serves as any form of discussion or constructive opinion at all. You can look at their previous messages. I understand that you’re trying to keep the conversation neutral as a moderator, but the passive-aggressive manner really doesn’t cut it. And I think a lot of people might think so too.

[spark lance]

me too, if the cat hair changes back to igc somehow ill get them both!

[twin gust]

thats horrible! they are basically making f2p just .. candle run for hours. a full cr in 2 weeks is about 200 candles, and counting a traveling spirit, you will be left with about 20 or 40 candles ; or less, depending. they basically have to choose which cosmetic they prefer and rather have. its horrible. thats just like the tlp thing all over again. i wont be surprised if they drop an expensive ts at the same time lmao

[jade arrow]

The green pants from Aurora? In normal spirit constellations? Is it possible to collect all of them in the limited time?

[feral marlin]

im eatting pocky rn, yall want some?

[hasty vessel]

This is the exact rhetoric that makes me cringe, “they are not on your side” “they would sell your arm for an extra nickel” please can we stop demonising the team for acting like how a successful business should?

[whole badge]

Guysssss stop making it about us and talking about who said what in what way ,we all share same goal

[agile hazel]

please delete, that's hacked info

[signal sedge]

guys if someone is not willing to hear other opinions and discuss things respectfully just block and ignore arguing back is only going to fuel the flames and upset people

[spark lance]

This is the same idea as in society , higher class people refuse to see the people who are struggling with finances.. They think its their own fault that they cant afford million dollar yachts. In this case , they think its f2p fault for not being able to afford or not wanting to spend money on pixels.
The fact of the matter is , tgc handled this new release poorly and privileged sky kids are finding it hard to see why beta testers are upset. we're just trying to fight for the rights of f2p skykids in live ..

[ornate rover]

Bruh what not the green pant, I was so looking forward to finally having more green 😭

[teal spire]

Bon appetit.

[twilit drift]

My only addition to this topic;

Imagine a company actually caring about their users and actually taking their feedback into account. If anyone can find one that's not Terraria, lemme know, cause it isn't here

Forgot Stardew Valley and Hollow Knight existed akehfbajsnsban Concerned Ape and Team Cherry are cool people

[stray root]

I see some message is delete, take me some pocky too

[hybrid wedge]

@pliant spoke @maiden moth and others, I’m going to ask you all to stop responding in the back and forth. It’s clear that you won’t change each others’ minds, and the conversation has strayed too far into personal territory.

[flat furnace]

Yes pls, can I have strawberry flavour

[stone shard]

hey guys!
im watching u ◉‿◉

[low dew]

Ik it's lowkey as a joke
But i do recommend cookierun!

[livid ridge]

Sorry bro/sis , i forgot about that my bad

[spark lance]

Stardew Valley, Hollow Knight, DeadCells

Stardew valley is awesome i love how transparent and caring the creator is
I follow them on Twitter

[maiden moth]

Sorry about that,but this person is turning it into a personal matter and it's frustrating. I'm not gonna let them be disrespectful to my friend and many others with their behavior :/
But i will keep that in mind as we move forward,thank you

[hushed grove]

sounds yummy don’t mind if I do! (what’s your favorite pocky flavor?)

[dense oracle]

[spark lance]

i beg

[velvet sleet]

They are making sky cotl seems like a dressing games rather than adventuring and family game. Everything is costly, and they even make it harder to go candle run by removing some comfortable bugs and add more irritating stuffs lol. Everyday, same action, go cr over and over again, then spend it in 5' when ts come. That's how i'm feeling about sky cotl in recent 6 months.

[autumn elk]

Cosmetics are important to most if not all players at this point, it’s unfair to say “just dont buy it or its not for you”

I would love seeing them add two different kinds of cat hairstyles the originals one for igc and maybe one with a different style hair For IAP.

So both sets of players can enjoy having a cat hair and people who pay can have more options

[pliant spoke]

To tru

[spark lance]

They are going to release the cosmetic anyways. the work has already been done, these are sunken costs . it doesnt cost them anything else to release it as is without a price tag on it.

[hybrid wedge]

@maiden moth I ask that you (and everyone) to let a moderator handle it. In a conflict, people often feel a need to reply and “defend” a person and a point, which often only has the effect of escalating the conflict. If you see someone being rude, then let a mod handle it, or report it in #contact-the-mods so that we can be aware of it if we aren’t in the chat

[wary star]

don't forget Walaber! (made JellyCar)

[gilded kayak]

😍

[low dew]

Agree
We should at least have a IGC meow meow hair/hair item

[twilit drift]

So yeah if y'all wanna play a good adventure game with similar themes, go play Journey. Then you won't have to deal with this greedy pay-for-everything and live service garbage

[cold coral]

Is it on switch?

[hollow fern]

Also for season of shattering f2p players have to grind 75 days out of 77 to get everything, which is awful
Feels like f2p players barely get good cosmetics these days

[daring wind]

aaaand that's exactly what i think is the main problem in this game. after you're finished with all the realms + eden, its rinse repeat. the only focus becomes collecting cosmetics. i feel sad about the cat hair change of course, and i agree with most people here, but it also makes me sad that there is this much chaos just about some hair 💀 because this game is so much more than that... i wish there was more to do than just endlessly collect cosmetics from seasons and events :/ i think that's the root of this problem...

[spark lance]

That's why you don't mess with cats

[spark lance]

Journey's dev were really Cool peps, I wonder what happened to them..

[elfin delta]

Double seasonal candle event (there's gonna be another one after sunlight ends even)

[maiden moth]

Appreciated

[livid ridge]

Tgc creat game that aim for kid and teen
Also tgc selling cosmetic that cost hundred of dollar

[empty frigate]

until they add more content to the game, unfortunately, cosmetics grinding is all there is 😭 i love grindy games, i see nothing wrong with that! just.. they cant claim that cosmetics arent the focus when there is quite literally nothing else to focus on

[twin gust]

same! it was so bad in days of rainbow, too. postman + dor.. that was a solid 500 candles more or less! a pretty cape was so costly - the pants were supposed to be iap but moved it to around 90 candles which is about 15 candles more than a pant's usual cost. they keep excusing it as "sky is not only about cosmetics" when really.. most of the game is farming for candles to be able to afford them. its a repeating game, the least they could do so players dont get bored is give them a reason to keep farming or playing lmao.

[deft solar]

guys, we must understand tgc, they design this game using iphone user standard life(thats their main p2p) so the price of IAP will be make sense, us f2p players, we're needed as comparison, for p2p satisfaction, where they can appear more handsome and pretty than average peasants f2p, thats our function

[pallid hawk]

we cant place props mid air anymore

[wary star]

WHAT.

[cerulean gazelle]

I feel like (as much as most dislike Shattering season) it added much more gameplay value with the shards, it's a step into the right direction

[limpid pumice]

It's time to riot.

[twilit drift]

Think one of the devs started believing live service games are the future of gaming 😔 🤌 sad italian fingers

[steep shell]

Even tho the event itself is another form of candle running, nothing really changed

3 mins, oof 💀

[pliant spoke]

They can’t release a statement but they do this :,0

[feral marlin]

here u go! imagine the heart is pocky strawberry flavour lol
@hushed grove my fav flavor is chocolate!

[flat furnace]

Tysm!!

[spark lance]

In the past you could miss like ~2 weeks and the double season candle and be fine
Also I feel like many players looked forward to the season candle changing to normal candles? I have found no one even mention it this season. I would guess because they don’t have much extra

Strawberry hat please

[empty frigate]

i agree that its new gameplay, and im appreciative of that! but unfortunately the only reward is.. currencies to aid in grinding for cosmetics

[shadow stratus]

Tbh its they are doing it in a good way, there is just a few issues as the amount of iaps and the bugs (that one is a bigger problem). If there wasnt so many bugs that make the game unplayable for some people, i wouldnt mind the iaps at all

[spark lance]

it practically turned into a civil war

[safe glade]

Approved

[elfin delta]

I read that ktjn stated that season of sanctuary got extended but the pricing wasn't adjusted accordingly but they can't change it anymore since people have already bought the cosmetics you can try to find it in this chat i think (idk about other seasons tho)

[stray root]

Like Genshin war ?

[crude oasis]

tbh if tgc won't listen to the players' feedback they can just delete the feedback channel

[twilit drift]

I despise live service games anymore. They fall so quickly into greed and gluttony, which is very obvious by the recent and numerous $20 IAPs along with absurdly large igc amounts that force players to either grind months ahead or buy candle packs. It's disgusting

[maiden moth]

@hybrid wedge hope you're having a good day 💖

[spark lance]

Nagati is working hard 🤧 so many people
I could never be a mod

[velvet sleet]

For the pants, I feel NOTHING rather than the jelly's pants but added some rainbow chains ngl. Everything in game need LOTS OF candols, include the emote in friendship tree idk why does it have to be SO EXPENSIVE. There's no matter with veterans but HOW ABT THE NEW ONE? they are making it so expensive and hard for newcomers to adapt to the game. I miss the days when there're lots of fun bugs and amazing features to experience

[shadow stratus]

Eh, it doesnt impact me, i like the free content we got in these 2 years ive been playing. The bugs are what bothers the most, but eh even one of the first cosmetics was 20$, there is nothing new. Im honestly glad that we are getting any IGC stuff at all.
I really think they are not doing a horrible live service thing

[thorn trout]

Fun to watch

[cerulean gazelle]

Yeah it's rather unfortunate, I'm still waiting for more minigame emotes like hide and seek

[hybrid wedge]

@jade arrow I’ve addressed multiple parties. If you continue to have an issue with another person in chat, please use #contact-the-mods rather than drawing it out in public.

[hybrid wedge]

Thank you, you too!

[elfin delta]

Ikr

[steep shell]

Sky is a f2p game in the first place, so you shouldn't be thanking we got "free" stuff, it is what the game is supposed to be. That's why people are complaining that it's turning more and more into a P2P game, because that's not what Sky is supposed to be

[twilit drift]

I don't want to settle for the bare minimum of "at least we're getting a couple IGC items". The good, actually sought after items should STAY IGC, not be turned into IAPs because it'll get them more money. Also the fact that IAP prices are now hidden because it "didn't give [them] the right feedback" is also very suspicious. People shouldn't be forced to pay $20-$60 for decent items

[maiden moth]

Honestly

[spark lance]

I didn’t start until prophecy (I barely missed sanctuary ) so I didn’t know anything about sanctuary

[whole smelt]

i wont disagree but i just found it insulting since i want to be a creative in an industry like this and its just that "gamer" mindset that completely diminishes the hard work of the artists and the company is met with angry responses from people, i suppose that may also be a slight fault in not much communication with the artists and workers in the company, we sorta see them as faceless and when u put a price tag on the work not everyone can fully appreciate it which i can definitely understand. and i do understand that everyone wants more f2p options and perhaps i havent been a part of the sky community to really understand the build up of this issue so i cant really speak on it that much but i just wanted to say that remember that tgc is made up of people like me and you and deserve to be treated as such so just pls be nice if not then be constructive and take your feelings out of the equations as youll waste too much energy and time that way

[spark lance]

I feel similarly, after a certain point cosmetics become less important

[twin gust]

EXACTLY 😭 i wouldnt consider myself veteran however, i think its unfair to both because .. veterans may already have the returning cosmetics, and since they do, they dont have anything to wait for with igc and depending if they can or cant afford the iaps, they wont be.. looking forward to anything new, since most of all the new things are iaps, whereas the returning cosmetics are candols. dont get me wrong, but i feel that its so unfair that new players are just farming for old cosmetics. of course, its good to have a chance to get old cosmetics too... but it would be nice to be able to have new igc cosmetics that actually are nice and detailed. the cat mask for example now looks like the black mask with eyes, when it used to have an actual cat design when it was an iap item pls tgc let us f2p have a chance too

also this cool down omg pls let me SPEAKKKKK

[north patrol]

Also, I agree with you quite a fair bit! I don’t think the F2P player base should settle for less. F2P players deserve just as nice items, and deserve the quality that is held up to that of an IAP for free as well. I think this is something we have the right to as players of Sky, and this should be the bare minimum standard for TGC. Not this current. . . situation.

[thorn trout]

[maiden moth]

Is that why sanctuary took too long when i was a moth 😭even though I didn't know what was going on nor did i buy any cosmetics 🚶

[empty frigate]

the iaps are supposed to be an "add on", not required to properly experience the game. and as it stands, collecting cosmetics is the entire endgame experience.

[spark lance]

Free meow meow
My last words

Goodbye

[twilit drift]

I saw what they did to the cat mask and it's terrible. Everyone liked it, it was IGC, then they turned it into plain white garbage because people liked it and it didn't get them enough money

[tame dust]

Idk why i feel like I really shouldn't read all of these stressful msgs but I can't get my eyes out of it

[jade arrow]

I admit it's often hard to decide what's a personal attack when people are delivering rounds with the intention to inform. I appreciate the effort just now. Thanks. It'd do everyone good if it doesn't repeat again.

[dusk ore]

Ikr the motive here was so obvious lol

[shadow stratus]

Its turning more and more an p2p game where we got IGC items, comparing to before where we didnt had any? No lol. People like to select the worse and forget the good things we have been getting. I agree that the iaps are going too far but people are exagerating in some points they are stating here.
@twilit drift i do agree, however the things not having a price was kinda pointless because we who play the game for some time already have the base on how they price things, i really wish they could just show the prices anyway.
Everyone knew the marshmallow thing would be 20$ for being a prop with 35 candles lmao

[cold coral]

Yeah, I'm so upset. I really wanted the original one.

[crude oasis]

the way they "tuned down" the cat mask for the f2p people made me sad ngl :/
it doesn't even match the cat theme anymore

[hybrid wedge]

This is only the second beta build, and TGC often tweaks cosmetics during beta—please be sure to leave your feedback about the mask appearance in #beta-feedback

[twilit drift]

"Good things" they very, very obviously turned a highly sought after item into IAP, then turned another highly sought after item into something completely plain because they couldn't also turn it into an IAP. If they could, they'd give us a plain cat hair pin as IGC then turn everything else into IAP.

[north patrol]

You make a point, I have to admit that I believe we’ve all been influenced/conditioned to a point where we think cosmetics matter to a specific extent. Look at the number of people gushing over how much they love certain IAPs, and I’ve realised, while talking to peoples— a specific set of items (that are mostly unobtainable or IAP) are very highly sought after.

@twilit drift And yes! It’s not about wanting IAPs to be free. This is about how they changed the design of the cat mask right after it was downgraded to an IGC, albeit a less appealing design too, and how a well received IGC item seemingly cannot seem to stay as an IGC, since it was turned into an IAP. It seems as if their main interest is now centred around monetary profit, and while that isn’t wrong, I’d appreciate if they were upfront about it by putting the hairstyle out as an IAP directly from the first day it came out.

[hybrid wedge]

Relevant excerpt from beta-updates:

So it’s certainly still useful to send feedback!

[steep shell]

In the current sunlight event, the only free item it's a 90 candles tent. 90! Don't think about players who got +1000 candles, most players (especially new players) don't have nearly thay much. And then the rest of the items are IAP, with a bunch of sticks costing 20USD ! Tell me how that's not P2P

[half plaza]

and what's the good things we have been getting more expensive IGC/IAP cosmetics and a season with gray areas ?

im not gonna lie, the recent IGC stuff we are getting all have inflated prices for something that doesn't look too appealing. I barely wear or buy the recent items because older ones seems much more appealing/unique

[hybrid wedge]

My understanding of the phrase “pay to play” is like, buying the marshmallow stick in order to then unlock Days of Sunlight and then be able to play anything from that event

[slow acorn]

As a foreigner with currency not in euro or dollars those prices are really bad (to not curse)

Like here it's like 150
It's like almost amount to feed bunch of cats for a month
For single stupid cosmetic

[stray root]

Maybe TGC just give us Cat hair again but expensive cost ?

[lunar zealot]

P2P usually refers to games that you have to, well pay to play. Sky is free to play, with optional IAPs that you can get. For Sky to become P2P it would need to charge you for downloading the game, which it does not do.

[reef yarrow]

We did. & we're just hoping for the best

[elfin delta]

Behold i have found the message i was referring to (it took me a long time pls- qwq) (ping off btw)

[safe goblet]

I have a little bit of hope like the rainbow pants that turned igc (even if it was expensive) or others things

[twilit drift]

I totally get that. But I've never really seen them down grade something and then make it better. It's usually stuck once it's down/upgraded.

I appreciate all you do, btw, I'm sure this is an absolute migraine to deal with

Another thing; P2P is the only term I can think of in terms of this. Maybe Pay-2-Get (P2G) instead

[hybrid wedge]

I commend your Discord search skills for being able to find that

[steep shell]

In a game where the only thing you have to do is unlock cosmetics, if you put those cosmetics behind a paywall, then in my opinion that's p2p

I'm not going to continue with this debate, I hope everyone has a good day!

[velvet sleet]

Agreed!! I feel whenever there're new cosmetics, all the pretty one are IAP and AP, while most of the IGC are completely useful tbh. Many of my frs r veterans around 2 years, they got everything but can't afford the iap, then they just quitted, each one, each one, I have to say goodbye to most of my close friends and rn i myself have no motivation to wandering around all the boring maps just to collect few drops of candols for 2 hrs less or more. THe cat mask look absolutely funny and ridiculous lolololol, there's no way it was a cat pftttt.

[spark lance]

Aw you should have told me you were looking for it. I found it a while ago when you responded to me

I actually started searching the prices of seasons over time and prophecy was 330 candles then the little prince was ~390 candles (I forget) but I also had to consider the total time of season. And it was just too much research that I didn’t feel like. But I still believe season are becoming more expensive over time

Seeing people say new mask is a downgrade bums me out the old one looked weird I hope they at least change it up a little if they’re going to revert

[empty frigate]

(sorry if it wasnt clear, im actually agreeing with you haha!)

i know tgc emphasises that "cosmetics arent the focal point of the game", but.. theres not much else to do in the game? i have 1300 hours logged on sky now, and ive yet to find much else to consistently do besides grind for candles to buy cosmetics. tgc could absolutely address this by adding more content besides cosmetics, and if they did, i would be totally down for it! but at this point in time, cosmetics grinding is the game, so making the majority of new cosmetics iaps really is locking off most content imo

[half plaza]

im all for the entire wave of iap criticism but saying that sky is p2p/p2w is

[stray root]

This is why I see many Skychild leaving in one day

[dry flax]

Time and again it comes to this point... What's the long running theme of the game other than costume collecting... I wonder if TGC will challenge themselves to organise an event that gives you something other than costumes/accessories as take aways from that event /season

[elfin delta]

I typed "from: ktjn in:(well this channel) sanctuary"

Also yeah @spark lance i was making sure i wasn't misremembering things

[crude oasis]

imo both masks look great but the fact that they changed it before making it igc just feels downgrading to f2p people.
i think we should be able to get both masks tbh

[silent crater]

I think the more appropriate term here is "Pay to win" or "P2W". Sky has no way for you to "win" though in order for the experience to be "better" (this could be different for everyone, ofc!) you have to buy the iAPs.

[twilit drift]

Pay-2-Get (P2G) feels like a better term.

The Trials feel like the only "content" you can actually play. The game is focused so much on "playing with friends" and socializing that the rest in terms of actual play is very very lacking.

[hybrid wedge]

I don’t think you can pay to win in a game where there’s nothing to win Maybe we “win” star kids or ascended candles? Those are the only things that truly strengthen our Sky kids’ abilities

[empty frigate]

i would consider it more like.. hmm, the sims franchise, perhaps? you have no actual advantage if you choose to purchase stuff, but it is also undeniable that purchasing stuff gives you more creativity and freedom in the game. im not sure what the term for that would be.

[spark lance]

if we consider collecting everything that game has to offer it's a "win"

[stray root]

You just can't answer our questions about cosmetic IAPs, get to the point

[hybrid wedge]

idk. The only things that truly give you an advantage in the game are wing buffs and friends

[elfin delta]

I remember there was someone who made a graph of season price and duration in beta screenshot channel. I forgot who it was dang- (i think it was somewhen during performance...?)

[rapid reef]

It's worth knowing that it has been a progressively worsening issue.

As a paying player, I don't feel like a consumer but a prey with all the IAPs. As a player, I feel disrespected by the lack of interesting IGC items in those events. I do not feel heard by TGC, bugs reported a long time ago in beta end up in live. Do TGC even use beta for anything but judging how pretty their cosmetics are? It doesn't feel like people's voices are often heard.

Many have asked for accessibility options in their feedback since many seasons ago and we still have nothing to lower the bloom in certain area for example.

TGC doesn't feel like a company that want to promote friendship and kindness in their game to me anymore.

[silent crater]

Everyone is forgetting the fact that I mentioned that there is "no way to "win" in Sky."

Guess let's just go with P2E
. Pay to Express.

[hybrid wedge]

Sorry, I’m not really sure what you mean? I was just sharing my thoughts

[twilit drift]

There was a daily a long while ago where we flew through floating targets in Forest; I'd love to have that but like, more! And not just dailies! Flying through targets (I don't count the races), collecting flowers, etc etc

Also use Pay-2-Get y'all

[shadow stratus]

Win on the pay to win side of things, its an advantage over others you get for paying, wich sky has 0 of it (except the campfire, but that was fixed, kinda). What we consider a win doesnt really fit on the p2w terms.

[plain helm]

if it's not 'pay to win' nor 'pay to play' nor anything like that, I'd call that a 'pay to flex'

[hybrid wedge]

Ohhh, I’d forgotten about that one! Honestly I miss that quest

[mint creek]

that hit hard, i agreed w you

[cold coral]

Yeah, I don't really see the point of beta if the feedback beta players give isn't even heard. But I guess we'll see that on Monday.

[spark lance]

nice😆

Feedback is heard under normal circumstances, please give them a business day or two before saying nothings changed

[twin gust]

the cat dont even look like a cat 😭 bro be looking like a whole ant. but fr,, most of the game is just really repetitive, and sadly most of my friends are also quitting. i lost motivation to candle run, because right now theres not much to candle run for other than traveling spirits and thats really it. in order to complete a constellation, you need hearts, which also cost candles, and the entire constellation is about 100-150 candles, thats already so much. you either have to choose between what you want to buy for f2p players, its so disappointing and sad ;;;

[spark lance]

also it's not like there's people who won't friend you bc you style is "cheap like" lol
so pay to flex it's good term imo

[elfin delta]

I FOUND IT OMG just search "in: #beta-screenshots-videos graph". Interestingly, TGC can get away with increasing the seasonal candles needed for completing the season by adding the season's duration (quoted from the pic)

AND I JUST REALIZED IT WASN'T DURING PERFORMANCE TESTING HELP 😭

[hybrid wedge]

Considering that the feedback got to the team on Friday, and now it’s the weekend, yeah, I don’t think we can expect an instant update on Monday

[empty frigate]

thank you, im glad theres a word for it

[twilit drift]

It was genuinely so much fun, I loved that daily wish we'd get it more besides "Find [x] spirit in Hidden Forest"

[lunar zealot]

Right. Remember that one. It’s fun! Reminded me of the “fly for 60sec” quest old sky had xD

[velvet sleet]

i don't know the point of creating the Bug reported channels fr. They hardly fixed anything we rp. How do even we possible to promote friendships while all the things sum up is just EARN CANDLES/MONEYS then spent on the pixels. Well i agreed that they need profits from what they've done to us, but sky cotl originally free game, why is it not true for F2P to have rights? People are quitting, and newcomers gonna be astonished by the price of everyth.

[spark lance]

If you don’t pay with money you’re gonna pay with time. that’s the golden rule of any online, free game

[tame dust]

Idk why but I kinda like the shard burn that require me to fly above the sky tryna dodging the flying looking red shard, it feels challenging and fun haha(as long as I can avoid crabs)
@elder kindle also idt that's great idea for real

[spark lance]

Wait for the official results!

[maiden moth]

Don't do that , it's a bad idea (not defending the company or anything of that sort,but just don't)

[hybrid wedge]

@elder kindle don’t use this channel to organize a campaign. Staff have acknowledged the feedback and it was passed on to the team yesterday. It’s not reasonable to expect an instant change, and on a weekend no less

[spark lance]

No.

[drowsy barn]

I like it too! It inflates my ego a lot whenever I dodge a red flying shard I’m like “wow I’m so good at flying”

[stray root]

Pocky and soda, who want ?

Alright for everyone !!

[rapid reef]

People, we are waiting but it's time we discuss the issues with TGCs as well. It's not about a cosmetic, it's about a continually progressing issue in their treatment of their players.

We want to see improvement, not some promises.

[hybrid wedge]

Thistbh. I love stuff that lets me use or improve my flying skills

[elfin delta]

Me please

[uneven lotus]

Yes please

[river hound]

Can i have one?-

[spark lance]

Ty for the update

[clever cradle]

Me! i will share some with cozy

[twin gust]

also, i want to add on that "tgc needs money to mantain the game". yes, tgc needs money to mantain it, but there is absolutely no reason to change something to an iap because it was popular and very much wanted. tgc can survive by making cat hair an igc as it was previously. people liked the cape + original cat mask alone. not only to cat hair, but tgc can put more effort to the f2p players by putting new items with the same amount of effort they put in for iaps. they dont have to change anything in the previous iaps, but at least they should think about f2p players. putting most of everything behind paywall is absolutely horrible.

[hybrid wedge]

Of course! Fwiw, this is based on a post one of the staff made—it’s been pinned in this channel!

[tawny hornet]

Maybe they should just reset all the beta people so nobody complains while they have to get all their progress back😵‍💫

[fleet cape]

Sky can't be P2W if there's a lack of actual content

Wich, funnily enough, the lack of content is another problem

[twilit drift]

I'd love quests that're like "Fly with butterflies for 20 seconds" or "Endure the rain for 10 seconds", just new stuff to do!!

[hybrid wedge]

Ha! 😂 I’ve survived one end-of-the-world total progress reset, bring it

[hard fern]

Are you winning beta chat?

[left quartz]

I like this idea. More interactive quests would be nice.

[plain helm]

idk im sitting there watching stuff happening and unfolding

[stray root]

No, want some soda ?

[spark lance]

nowWhat we need is a better environment, not a lack of water.

[hybrid wedge]

I think some of the changes we’ve seen are trying to change this, gradually. Like, at first, Days of Summer didn’t have a whole lot going on besides cosmetics and a bonfire. This year it was swapped out with Days of Sunlight, which has a lot more things with the jellies and spirits and band sessions and all

[maiden moth]

Not yet.

[drowsy barn]

I remember a while back, me and my friends would fly in the sunny forest area after the temple and try to twist and turn through the trees to fly around the forest without hitting anything and going as fast as possible (my friend was always faster and better than me though, I would be doing fine the first five seconds and then hit a tree)

[hybrid wedge]

I think I need to try this

[elfin delta]

🍪 🍵

[agile hazel]

True test is flying through the Prophecy entrance without hitting walls

[echo ermine]

Impossible 💀😂

[hybrid wedge]

I always try to collect all the candles in the butterfly fields area without touching the ground

[elder kindle]

Hahaha lol, I don't care, go to give them one star on the play store, TGC played dirty to us, "Oh u liked that??? Well pay for it, even when we put in for free in the beginning" ya'all TGC don't care about us, they just see us as piggy banks, they don't even care about optimizing their game, but they do take out Iap's and Iap's at any opportunity and don't think about their f2p players, so I don't have to be considerate or calm down with this situation. GO GIVE IT A STAR ON THE PLAY STORE. Chao

[spark lance]

I would like to ask, does the TGC want to keep the instrument with Aurora's voice as iap or is there a possibility that it can be put in the pass? That would be a shame as the second option is much cheaper. Anyway, I'm waiting for all the cosmetics to come out so I give mega feedback to all the recent news👀☺️

[tame dust]

Haha I'm the type that absolutely love flying! If there's anything in sky makes me enjoy most, it would be able to fly how I want to. I tends to use the sanc big tree cave tunnel to practice flying also, along with valley ice rink cave that has the juggle spirit. It just feels so good and feels refreshing, free when i saw my skykid flying somehow

[twilit drift]

YEAH JUST STUFF TO DO but also it needs to persist outside of events. Like flying test dailies or "help the crabs at the GW bonfire" or just something

[safe goblet]

I have worst like the entrance in down were there is the piggiback spirit and in the end there is a candlecake , it’s the worst place to fly

[hybrid wedge]

We don’t know, beta just started after all. (Btw, the better place to talk about aurora stuff is #beta-season-test-chat )

[brittle void]

Anyone else notice the cat mask is super different?

[fleet cape]

Also, why is 80% of the instruments in sky locked behind travelling spirits or IAP? i always felt this was some ridiculous design for music lovers

[north patrol]

Oh no no worries at all! I’m agreeing with you too actually🤍

Yes. They say cosmetics aren’t the main point, yet introduce new capes and IAPs every event. And traveling spirits too. There are cosmetics from constellations to unlock too, and props. It’s hard to not believe cosmetics aren’t an important part of the game at this stage. If they implemented maybe interactive short stories in events it’d be better!

[hoary goblet]

I really agree with you and I made the exact same point a while ago. I think I've seen only a couple of people make this point. I don't think we would have such an issue with iaps cosmetics if there was more playable/interactive content. TGC fixates on cosmetics and that's the entire focus of Sky at the end of the day. The only thing to look forward to and get excited about is cosmetics. Seasons and events bring mostly non interactive pretty areas and.. cosmetics. Social lights areas was a cool addition but it's just a new way to get currency for.. more cosmetics. Same with the shard event. It's really unfortunate as Sky has a lot of potential but at this point it's just an entirely cosmetic based game. It forces players to put an unnecessary value on the cosmetics as, again, that's the only thing in the game that players can get excited about and look forward to. On top of that TGC feeds into this whole cosmetic thing as well

[elfin delta]

The real challenge is cr at citadel without your feet touching anything (yeah you can tell i never achieve this... 😔)

[velvet sleet]

frfr. Each year we have lots of evts, which may give them considerable earnings to maintain the game. The f2p players, also have to be on-screen, which may cost their time and health. I understand that f2p players spend times, have to be less advantaged than those who spent real money in games. But why do they take all the good things into iap? at least leave the f2p players st good and worth to spend their time! The ap only, make f2p less advantaged than the p2p one, so please give them little chances to enjoy their effort. Also the birthday evt, which are celebrated their bday, and we still have to spend 3 hearts and lots of candles to buy things, so non-sense smh.

[drowsy barn]

This is the most relatable thing ever I always have this little mission for myself to keep flying smoothly and to not touch the ground but get the candles

@tame dust lmao flying in sky was what got me to start playing sky. I thought the cape being wings and using them to fly was the coolest thing ever and I used to be so competitive in valley’s flying race I had to be the first one to reach the end

[stray root]

Can we go back to the Cat hair ?

[rapid reef]

From what I can see, we really should speak more of TGC's behaviors. It's not harmful to hold them to better standard. We've allowed them to get away with things even other game has.(Such as some important options in settings such as bloom.)

Let's not move on from this talk until an answer is provided to us. I'm exhausted from those who think it's just cat hair. It stopped being about it for many.

[safe goblet]

Or reverse like you cr in trying to not fly (unless places were there is clouds )

[twilit drift]

I know MMOs usually focus on socializing and playing with others, but even World of Warcraft or Dungeons and Dragons Online has a ton of stuff for lone players outside of IGC grinding. The "Find this spirit" isn't enough

[hybrid wedge]

I try that every. Single. Time. I candle run that area. I can often get the candles on the pillars going to the temple entrance, but the rest, like the ones inside the buildings? Not once

[spark lance]

Does this will do something to TGC? Absolutely no and u know why? Because there are millions of skykids who play Sky. It’s right to be angry and to help improve what’s happening u can feedback in #beta-feedback. I know it’s repetitive but it’s the only thing we all can do. I’m also not happy of what’s going on about cat hair but telling people to do something like this… just no.

[sterile plinth]

I think I can try to pull that off, I've been playing "pillars are lava" game for years now

[fleet cape]

This has long stopped being just about the cat hair

[empty frigate]

the discussion never really strayed from the cat hair imo. its just now expanded to acknowledge that this isnt an isolated, one-off event

edit: autocorrect moment sorry

[lunar zealot]

You could always provide feedback that you’d like the item to be IGC from one of the season spirits in #beta-feedback

[thorn trout]

[hybrid wedge]

@rapid reef the channel has been talking nonstop about issues related to IAP and such for over 36 hours. We’re not going to hear anything from TGC on a weekend. I know you feel strongly about this, but it’s okay for folks to talk about other Sky things for a bit. It’s not going to affect what does or doesn’t happen with the cat hair

[stray root]

[fringe mauve]

[barren moss]

[elfin delta]

[sacred spade]

Uh oh what's going on?

[twilit drift]

So YEAH Sky needs more stuff to do, I'm bored reliving spirits

[lunar bluff]

[harsh nest]

[scenic wave]

the usual chaos.. in a sense

[safe goblet]

[spark lance]

[agile ridge]

tgc has more important things to solve and add than to keep releasing season all the time. so that in my opinion they all closed the company to profit as much as they could and then sell the game. As long as I don't see any interesting and significant changes to the game, I won't change what I think about them.

[echo ermine]

[hybrid wedge]

Mod moment: when you want to tell the channel to stop spamming emojis, but also you really appreciate the break because you don’t need to moderate them

[rapid reef]

It's not about the cat hair. That's a very rude assumptions that all of my point, all of the things I brought up is over a simple cosmetic and is very dismissive of my messages at all.

[upbeat furnace]

Yeah, sky desperately needs more content that isn’t just cosmetics, because constantly grinding to get some new overpriced cape or a prop for £20 is exhausting and not really that fun. I love this game I just want something new to do!

[fleet cape]

Ah yeah, they'll surely change a IAP into IGC, this has like 2% of chance to happen, considering there's a huge chunk of IAP instruments

[jade arrow]

Regardless of what @elder kindle said, if people are unhappy they'd rate it low, Genshin players did the same thing. If it won't do anything to TGC then eh, the reviewers waste of time. But yeah.

[twin gust]

and hearts are a problem, too. i know a lot of people who cannot afford a lot of the items because they're heart based. and there's this thing of "heart trading is not allowed because it goes against sky policy" or something idk ... you either get hearts from seasonal guides but they also cost candles if you didnt complete the season while it was ongoing ! and at that, its only limited. thats something different to discuss, anyways, i dont have much of a problem with that. anyways, i just hope sky can listen to us for once and be able to either bring in more igc for events or something </3 if not,, just disappointing huhuhu

[velvet sleet]

this happening like for a while, then it became the main problem of this game. The cat hair is just one of those which lead to this discussion. I'm not surprised when tgc changes st skids like from igc to iap, they had done it many times in the past haha. To those who say it is "free" cosmetics, no it's not free, it's cost skids time and health

[lunar zealot]

it’s a nice calm moment. And with the slow mode I don’t think anyone will really complain seeing a bit of emotes here and there

[stray root]

But this is the fast way and the only way to clean everything like now.

[hybrid wedge]

My apologies for the inaccurate language. I meant to use it only as shorthand for all the conversations that have come up based on the cat hair change. I’ve seen what people are saying, and of course, your points and others’ are about broader things. I’ll edit to better convey what I meant.

[drowsy barn]

I was so tempted to send the popcorn emoji to keep the chain going but another side of me was like "no it would be considered spam"

[lunar bluff]

a and a for the mods for doing so much work. I'm just trying to keep up (not a beta player)

[gentle lily]

[safe goblet]

Everyone need to rest hehe hope we don’t cause you and other mods too much trouble

[harsh nest]

[misty gust]

woah this is still going

[spark lance]

[twilit drift]

[jade arrow]

I don't know what you mean since I just peaked in but do whatever you want within your rights! Feedback, discuss, Google reviews. I'm not against anything! I want things to get better too.

[hybrid wedge]

As long as the posts follow the rules, and people stay respectful of others whether their name tag is yellow, mint, or blue, we’re good

[stray root]

Two years and I had enough for everything

[elfin delta]

Everyone needs a break once in a while... have Oreo to cuddle with and ease your mind

[rapid reef]

Sorry but at the end you're still making it all about the cosmetic while @'s me who have been speaking about issues related to TGC's attitude toward it's community. You're still immediatly commenting on things related to the cosmetics, still explicitly bring up the cat hair. I have not said anything about the cat hair or cosmetic for a very long time now other then "It's not just about the cosmetic/cat hair".

Please do not dismiss my points and issues as just related to a cosmetic miscommunication.

[fervent vortex]

hi mods

[drowsy barn]

you guys are tempting me so much its hurting me
I just wanna
It feels like an itch I can't really itch because its on my back and my hands don't reach that far bacl

[lunar bluff]

[elder kindle]

Idk dude, they haven't been fair to us, the game has always had serious errors, Iap's with ridiculous prices, mistreatment of f2p players. So we are not happy with this app so my recommendation is to give it a bad review in the play store. In addition, I am not forcing them to do so, I only give them an option to be heard and also to express their anger at so much mistreatment we have received. In fact this had to explode since Android users who could not update or since the fall of servers when nobody couldn't farm but no one say something and they didn't reward us for it either, they just said us "sorry". This cat hair was the straw that spilled the glass.

[twilit drift]

remember when this game used to be about friendship and the cycle of life

[velvet sleet]

same people were so nice and the game level was not too high

[spark lance]

As an ex Android gamer I definitely confirm

[errant wadi]

Oo someone Italian , si Hai ragione but let's that things are harder this time, cause the problem is they keep ignoring us no matter what, days still go on but the cat hair on beta keeps be IAp comestics , they still won't listen us ||I'm Italian too but I had to speak English||

[stray root]

My friends can't log into Sky live just to do daily quest. She already lose change to have the cosmetics her want

[elfin delta]

Actually that still applies everytime, as long as you're a clueless moth who doesn't know anything about everything at all 😔

[drowsy barn]

I'll help you out of the sand

[upbeat furnace]

I heartily agree with this, the iap are way too expensive, glitches often go reported but unfixed, there no where near enough good looking igc cosmetics, and the whole seeing that the community is excited for this one igc item and then changing it to iap to make more money is pretty sleazy. Along with the inherently burnout-inducing process of candle running every day becasue of fear of missing out!

[elder kindle]

I remember, but then I realized that was just a lie from TGC since them just care about money and not about their community

[nocturne cargo]

A bit random but some different way(s) to get hearts would be lovely. After you get all the ones from the trees and such all you can really do is collect from friends. And getting a single Heart from that takes quite a lot. Not saying to make them as easy to get as candles but sorta be able to get an amount weekly via completion of some sorta activity like Eden and ac’s perhaps?

[steep shell]

Yep! I remember when I was a moth, I really liked the moth hair and cape, and thought I'd never care about cosmetics.... Then I "completed" the game and had nothing else to do, except buy cosmetics

[spark lance]

Me right now

[harsh nest]

And candle running because of the fear to miss something

[elfin delta]

Moth times are truly the best times 😔

[stray root]

Expensive cosmetics, bug never fix, Nice place being fix, everything being change, make many friends leave cause feel boring and sad

Oldbie just feel lonely, newbie didn't know anything, that bad

[upbeat furnace]

YES THIS! I need hearts soo badly yet they’re nigh impossible to get unless you have friends who are willing to heart trade every day!

[twilit drift]

Imagine if we could hold the hand of different season guides and fly around with em

[drowsy barn]

hearts has always been the trickiest to obtain It would be nice to see another more efficient alternative to collect hearts ~~but maybe its hard to obtain on purpose to make the sense of achievement more bigger? deeper? idk ~~

[late sonnet]

they did ask that question in the last survey that Sky put out, so maybe something will be implemented to solve the issue depending on the responses

[hybrid wedge]

I would love that so much. The 4th Performance quest was AMAZING flying with the spirits. I only wished the theater was bigger so that there was more sky to fly through

[rapid reef]

Remember when they made hearts harder to get to discourage hearts group? They themselves made hearts hard to get. Then punish their community because they are making group to help eachother over an igc that is all ready so hard to get.

(Referencing the entire thing with increasing the need for likes on messages for candles messages that were not the daily quest.)

[spark lance]

How is the war going?

@hybrid wedge okay Nagati, I will not do that again

[steep shell]

wdym harder to get?? It wasn't always like this?

[feral marlin]

half chill half not

[naive dragon]

it is the same idk what they r talking about

[hybrid wedge]

I’ve seen TGC do a lot to try to balance hearts, to make them easier to get but still meaningful. Like, hearts used to require unlocking hug, but after feedback it was moved down to just high five. Star light used to award light for regular candles, then based on player feedback, it was changed to light for hearts.

Edit: also, awarding hearts for season quests, allowing messages and shared memories and shared memory candles to give hearts, too

This isn’t to say the heart system is flawless, but to point out that they have worked on it based on player feedback

[woven crow]

Absolutely! I've been trying to finish the valley constellation since like may, but with only 2 friends active and all the travelling spirits that come and go, I've been really burnt out and struggling to reach my goal :(( I've even given up a few times cuz it feels like I'll never complete it!! Hearts definitely need to be easier to get :// one of the many many many many problems TGC does not seem to care about 👀👀

[lunar zealot]

If you’re referencing the shrine message change that went into effect some time ago, the reason for that specifically was because skykids managed to exploit the system. Making it unfair for those who didn’t and those who did. It was a balance change in an effort to make gaining hearts fair. As it’s supposed to be gifts from friends (or generous strangers)

[drowsy barn]

if I could, I would love to candle run with spirits I usually candle run alone (sometimes with a friend but I need to force him into it)
I think I would want to candle run with lively navigator or slouching soldier

[hybrid wedge]

@spark lance you might have meant that jokingly, but as someone on a mod team who’s been working hard to keep these channels peaceful, civil, and respectful, please don’t use combative and divisive language like that

[velvet sleet]

sad but true

[dusk ore]

To unlock teleport with friend cost 10 asc candles and that is making my heart ache 💔

[fiery geyser]

I really don't know if TGC really care about our opinions, the bugs never fix or need a long times to be fixed which could affect our game experience. They just decided everything themselves, so what is the meaning of beta ver.

[rapid reef]

Players wouldn't have to make those supportive group had TGC not made hearts so hard to get in the first place.

Everything igc requiring candles increase with it's shiny new tag. Heart cost 3 heart to send and how are those strangers not kind when they are part of a support group to help eachothers?

It doesn't sound balanced has the short end still fall on players that don't have friends constantly looking at those shrines.

[limpid pumice]

To make sure the game is still stable to even play apparently.

[heady cove]

[stray root]

Beta player trying to make this scene never come, but if TGC never hear us, so why we need to hug and tell everything they don't want to hear ?

[hybrid wedge]

Flashback to when season of gratitude had seasonal items that cost hearts (Which worked fine in beta testing and soft launch), and then hearing live player feedback about how hard it was to get seasonal items with hearts, and then changing the seasonal cosmetics system to never require hearts after that

[rustic brook]

My god after all those feed back they still haven’t done anything yet?

[hybrid wedge]

It’s Saturday...

[late sonnet]

it's the weekend on TGC's end, they will go back to work on monday and you will get a response then or after during the weekdays

[crude oasis]

[rapid reef]

It is the weekend. But the conversation should not go away either since it's not just about cosmetics anymore.

We want improvement from tgc, not promises.

[timid relic]

👌👏

[woven crow]

There are a good few handfuls of TGC listening to player feedback and fixing what needs to be fixed, but that certainly does not outweigh in comparison to all the piles and piles of ignored feedback and rightful complaints for the sake of a quick buck or their convenience ://

[hard pivot]

I think hair might be worthy of being an IAP, but why change the cat mask? It look like spiderman, they don't even care about f2p items 💀💀 I really don't understand why they change it

[limpid pumice]

This.^^

[spark lance]

Imagine if your teacher had your hw due Saturday

[agile hazel]

wait til you get to uni

[nocturne cargo]

Would something like Eden/acs work with hearts? Like some sort of activity that your able to do every whatever amount of time? Perhaps a more multiperson sorta thing since yknow hearts, social, yada yada. Eh?

[vapid fox]

I think event hlw has too many packs. Tgc should have a nice item for F2P players

[elder kindle]

Dude, this is not the first time they did this horrible thing to us, they never listen us. Read my other messages, but if you feel bad about tgc and think they are you friends who care about u never mind👍

[hybrid wedge]

@woven crow I don’t mention those to claim that TGC changes everything to what players ask for. I mention those to show that player feedback has been acted on in meaningful ways, to nudge our chat away from some hyperbolic statements about someone “always” doing this or “never” doing that

[paper fable]

Guys is it normal that we are missing environment in Sanctuary? Mantas to be especifict

[spark lance]

It would just give TGC another excuse to throw a grind kinda mechanic to the hearts again. If they actually added daily mini game rotations that award hearts based on difficulty

[drowsy barn]

Don't feel so discouraged, everyone is just trying their best to do what they think would impact the community in the most positive way possible. Maybe at times it doesn't feel like what TGC is aiming for lines up with what players want but I'm sure both sides of the party is trying to do their best ~~maybe I just grew up dumb and optimistic but I firmly believe that TGC will do something about this. Just keep consuming WAFO ~~

[steep shell]

Yes honestly... I know 3 candles doesn't seem like much, but if you have a lot of friends, then it's a lot! And if you're a solo player, you're pretty much done for...
I remember days of bloom, i just gave up on the hair because it costed like 20 hearts, and I didn't have close friends, neither did I feel comfortable asking for hearts. And even if that wasn't the case, I remember struggling so much just to get the capes. There was no way I could've gotten the hair. With the current system, 20 hearts for anything is a ridiculous price

[hard pivot]

Yes, the Halloween event is really outstanding, the bat cape and the spider cape have never been hot. And the free items are not so great. Maple leaf cape still loses to many other season capes 💀

[spark lance]

Already graduated from uni

[oak spruce]

that is soo real. i understand their vision with giving hearts with friends but I don’t think there should be a currency based off of how social you are 😭

[tame dust]

I think you definitely the type can enjoy the game just the way it is haha, As for me, I'm fine with anything since I only wear one single hair which was elder hair , it's been 2 years since I wear same hair now haha

[hybrid wedge]

I see the long lists of bug fixes in beta-updates and in the patch notes. And I know that some bugs are easy to fix, and others take more time to fix, or are extremely stubborn. I get frustrated with certain bugs too, but I do keep in mind that it’s a gradual process

[heady grove]

I just wanna be able to get something super nice looking without spending money

[fiery geyser]

Hope they will The shell and flower disappear bug in SKY still unfixed. And now the cat hair and cat mask things, make me kind of disappointed.

[rapid reef]

Ah, the capes that cost 150 hearts as second tier are dreadful. I wanted that white cape and when it hit live, as ready as I was with 270 hearts, it still felt awfully expensive over a cosmetic that cost 50 hearts.

[hybrid wedge]

I love the maple leaf cape

[velvet sleet]

they gonna go up to $120 to pay for all the iap far too insane

[stray root]

This you see the rainbow Jelly pants just like the pants or Season of Sanctuary but with some rainbow ? They're just add some detail, and you happy about this ? Can you thinking about the feeling on the player who sad about design of cosmetics? Many bug never fix, so now, my friends already leave cause error or her game. It in Sky, is my Skychild, my feeling, many player have the memory, but all gone, time already show what I, and many player had enough

[vapid fox]

Yes, and this is a game for young people which means there are a lot of players who don't have the money to buy nice items. I have a friend who is 10 years old and when I gave her a 10$ pack, she is verry happy

[blazing creek]

yes leaf cape and pumpkin hat are 10/10

[spark lance]

Same it’s actually the only days of mischief item I have

[woven crow]

Of course! I didn't think thats what was behind your message at all, I see where you are coming from ^^ I had just wanted to point out more often than not TGC does not fix stuff, but I'm not saying that they dont! I recognize what they do fix as well, sorry if my message came off as passive aggressive or anything

[hybrid wedge]

@stray root hey there, please be careful with phrasing that’s starting to sound like a personal attack of someone else.

[agile hazel]

I understand that, really is the issue is lack of communication again. Just a simple 'We're working on X Y & Z but it'll take a while due to complications' or whatever is all that's needed

[hard pivot]

Me too, Halloween's beautiful cafe but few people seem to care about it, they usually pay more attention to IAP

[late sonnet]

every time there's a new nature-like cape available in the game, I grab all my friends, make them go chibi height, and we form a flower together with emotes
it's the coolest thing

[hybrid wedge]

Oh, sorry! I admit, I wrote that partly because I’d seen a lot of other posts in the channel saying that. Sorry, I didn’t mean to put words in your mouth!

[heady grove]

I heard the cat hair is gonna cost money now and I am upset, is this true?

[rapid reef]

I'm tired of TGC's predatory attitude toward their paying players most of all.

[hybrid wedge]

I’m more a solo player myself, but seeing cape flower screenshots makes me want to get a server full of friends and do these myself

[fiery geyser]

If the cat hair decided as cost money as API, so why they don't do it at the beginning. And just suddenly changed while all players happy about the hair was change with candles And Halloween already too much API pack🤯

[late sonnet]

half the time they weren't even in the original flower, we just started but somehow others merged into the same server in home, so we start yelling at them to join us and the flower grows ever bigger
then a friend who has no idea joins and is like "what is this 😂 "

[stray root]

I'm tired, talk can't make my Sky family comeback, see ya and good luck

[woven crow]

No need to apologize ^^ I didn't feel like you were doing that at all! I myself was just worried that I'd unintentionally came off as rude it's all good tho!

[drowsy barn]

It does get a little frustrating and lonely at times but only focusing on the negative aspects of anything can diminish any sense of fun and optimism. Of course only focusing on the positive aspects when, the game does have very apparent flaws is also not that good I'm just trying to keep a balance of acknowledging the flaws and the improvements TGC could do but not focusing on it too much that it diminishes the endless possibilities you could enjoy the game

@fiery geyser It's fine to be disappointed, I also have some parts of sky I'm kind of iffy about but since I'm kind of forgetful I also forget the parts I felt iffy about
But for now lets believe that everything would turn out fine
we still have season of auoroa to look forward to

[dusk ore]

Nagati is so precious tho

[winter salmon]

[hybrid wedge]

One or two staff explained it yesterday or Thursday, but basically, it was put there at one point early in development, and the change was decided, but not in time to be put in the first build—only the second build.

The change was made before they had a chance to see player feedback about it from the first build

[fallen flare]

[hard pivot]

I think they saw how much we loved it so they changed it so they would know more people would buy it. Same with rainbow pants, not many people bought it and no free items so they sold it with candles instead of money

[vapid fox]

they are slowly becoming EA

[spark lance]

Bro they are still light years from becoming EA 😭

[heady grove]

Not that many light years

[stoic lynx]

REMOVE FOMO

[hard pivot]

We have 3-4 new packs every event, but only 1-2 free items. And even the free mask is become spiderman instead of cat, 44 candles, I won't buy it

[safe goblet]

Same 👀

[steep shell]

I really need to take a break from reading this chat, it's not doing me any good Let's hope it all gets better :c
Enjoy your morning/afternoon/night, everyone! Remember to stay hydrated and take your meeds if you take any

[hybrid wedge]

It took a few rereads of this in my head before I wasn’t envisioning Gollum from Lord of the Rings

[hybrid wedge]

You too Stef, take care of yourself!

[drowsy barn]

Tske care!

[tawdry pebble]

4 months until 2022 ends and I still have no idea how many bucket of cold water the dev will throw onto us anymore
Hope none

[vapid fox]

Ty, take care

[stray root]

We will become a skychild without light

[flat furnace]

Really hope tgc can officially address the issue asap , I get that people make mistakes.. but letting the heated debate going on and on, & people even starts attacking one another.. really just sad

[woven crow]

We'll probably hear something Monday as it is the weekend for TGC

[zinc gate]

it's been 2 days my friend

[hybrid wedge]

Speaking as a mod—several TGC staff have been in the chat since Thursday to talk with us and address it. And meanwhile we don’t want to shut down conversation here. People feel very strongly about the game because they love it, so it’s natural that there will be a lot of conversation right now. And that’s fine, as long as we all stay respectful of each other and follow the server rules.

We’ve definitely been bonking people when posts start turning into personal attacks. If you see one and aren’t sure that a mod has noticed, please go head and let us know in #contact-the-mods!

[subtle juniper]

Wasn't It a misscomunication

[hybrid wedge]

Perhaps? From what I’ve seen, beta is kind of a Wild West of changes, and a lot of things are happening at once

[vapid fox]

Anyway, hope tgc will change mind. (⊃｡•́‿•̀｡)⊃

[hybrid wedge]

But @flat furnace, I do want to say, I agree with you about the personal attacks. We’re all humans, none of us are perfect, but it is disheartening to see it happen

[dry linden]

+1 😭 I joined the discord for their update on this

[twilit drift]

Has the cooldown been reduced finally

Nope

[woven crow]

From what I understand, the cat hair was supposed to be an IAP from the beginning but they had put out the build that had the cat hair as IGC and an old model of the cat mask, then they released the right build and failed to admit their error in the update notes which led people to believe they did it for money.

[fiery geyser]

hope they could change it back😭😭

@hard pivot agree😔

[heady grove]

I really hope I'm able to get the cat ears with candles ngl :') I really like the cat ears

[tawdry pebble]

Speaking of which, this suddenly remind me of the time when the anniversary guitar was announced. People was so disappointed with the design as well as sound compared with the price we have to pay.

Sad that the dev let it pass to live and I hope the cat hairstyle won’t/doesn’t/would never end up the same result like the guitar

[crude tapir]

Would be very cool if TGC switched the last item on the Mischief tree every year
Like
Mask > Hair > Cape
And whenever two items werent available, they would turn into IAPs
Then, it would solve the issue of players not being able to get their favorite item
Just like how some people cant do a TS on time :]

[dusk ore]

Sighh im one of them that bought it and regretted immediately after 😭

[hybrid wedge]

Ah, welcome to the server!
Since you’re here for information related to the beta, I’d recommend reading the information in #beta-faq!

Even if you aren’t a tester, that explains some really important differences between beta testing and live. Especially, keep in mind that nothing in beta is final, and we’ll only know something for sure once it’s in the live version of the game!

[flat furnace]

Hopefully the good old welcoming & wholesome chat will come back to live after monday

[vapid fox]

That shows us how great the first build was and I want them to change their mind

[winter garden]

test ||okay, im not muted again||

[spark lance]

did they move the cat hair somewhere?
edit: i looked at the updates and i get it now

[fallow patio]

actually a good idea, so much time will pass and most likely no one will be upset because otherwise you have to wait so long

[hybrid wedge]

I think it’s less likely that Sagomay knew all along, and more likely that with so much happening, they didn’t get the full news until later. Wild West of changes and all

[modest junco]

I just returned to see the comunity's situation, gotta say, it's been a hard time.
I really love this game, it has been the only rope i've been holding up to in my worst days that someone could imagine, i just hope that the sky comunity will take it easy once TGC decides whatever decision they make. please respect them as it is their hard work that we're looking up to.
i'm gonna take a break, stay safe skykids!
and i hope the mods will be at their best state while keeping this chat and comunity under control, best wishes mods!
I love all of you, stay safe

[sage linden]

The perfect scenario for me would be this: cat mask (44 candles) and hair (66 candles) both IGC and the IAP pack would have the cape + a candles bundle
What do you guys think?

[hybrid wedge]

Enjoy the break, Ina, stay hydrated!

[heady grove]

Agreed

[molten laurel]

[spark lance]

As weird it seems i liked to read about people's opinions and points of views
Isn't always that we have the opportunity to see others views.

[finite hill]

[woven crow]

True! That's just what I've gathered from my time here, although I don't know the entire situation. It's been a very chaotic time in chat, especially Thursday
Oof I think I'm gona go grab something for lunch, see ya later guys :))

[spark lance]

[spring stone]

Agreed, theres already an abundance of iap which will surely be bought by the onslew of new players from Shattering szn. Might as well add more igc to balance it out for f2p

[spark lance]

Unrelated to cat hair .. but i really wish there were situation like this when table drive is removed
But when so many ppl voiced strong opinion against crawling feature, it still got to live .. so i really think whatever we say doesn't really matter

[hybrid wedge]

Enjoy lunch!

[cold coral]

Yeah, but if so then I don't see the point of making a feedback channel.

[tame pasture]

I feel like I'm the only person who's excited for the cat cape

[wispy obsidian]

I also like the cat cape

[leaden rivet]

Agreed.

[rotund reef]

It’s cute but lately I’ve been wearing less and less darker colored items

[drowsy barn]

I am 100% set on buying the bat cape this year. I fell in love with it two years back didn't have the money to buy it back then but I've been saving up money little by little last year and this year so I think I can finally buy the bat cape

[rotund reef]

That cape is so worth it no regrets!

[willow sapphire]

The chat is quiet now 👀

[spark lance]

is the fight for the cat hair still going on

[agile ridge]

War is coming huahuahuahuahua

[late sonnet]

I'd love cat cape if it was only the fluffy part, kind of like the TLP scarf kind of shape
rn it feels too similar to other fluff necked capes

@drowsy barn that's great!! enjoy the cool cape :D

[azure wolf]

Hey how's it goin guys✨️

[feral ether]

Hi sorry to bother you guys but why can't i upload the new update?

[tawdry pebble]

sleep everyone

[drowsy barn]

I'm doing good except for the part I'm procrastinating my AP Euro homework How about you?

@late sonnet Thank you!

[azure wolf]

Oh nooo don't procrastinate
I just finished one a quiz and now I'm rushing to get work ready 🥲 Has the chat been a lil more tame...? It was WILD the past 2 days understandably so

[drowsy barn]

I think everyone's just taking time to chill on their weekend since the chat did become a little more calmer compared to last few days

and also good luck in work! Sounds like you have quite a hectic schedule

[abstract fable]

If cat hair was set on being IAP or not since the beginning it doesn't matter anyway. It makes no difference having devs commenting about it
The truth is, like a lot of people already pointed out in better ways than I can, that the events IAP choices have hit an insane level for the type of game and content. How much was the expected total? I think someone posted it before. It was like $200 of in app purchases for a single event. Next year is what, $300 total? No one was fine with this iap system ever. I still remember the scene it was and how many players left when witch hat and cape came out
For a single sky event, ONE event that last for like a month, their IAP system expectations is paying $200, for a single month ||event duration time|| of playing
You could buy Journey for 10 people for that price on the original release date

[azure wolf]

Aw ty! It's ok normally it isn't like this haha
I'm def gonna come back on to check on everyone after

I wish you luck on your hw! Hopefully it isn't an essay 😭 Take some breaks too if you need em✨️

[astral yacht]

Love your retsuko pfp

[drowsy barn]

ty! I think I'll be able to push through! Hopefully when you come back to check on everyone, chat is chilling. It's been very chaotic for everyone and I just think everyone needs a break

[azure wolf]

@astral yacht ty! She inspires me to go in the back hallway of my job and scream and return slightly normal
@drowsy barn oh yeah I'm hoping everyone had taken a break because it was definitely stressing them out

[abstract fable]

✨✨ reminder to access your preferred mobile app store and leave a review voicing your concerns and a truthful approach to it. ✨✨ Don't let you voice get drown in the hundreds of posts here. Share it how much you can. ✨✨ don't let newer players get caught up with this company. They, and we, deserve better. ✨✨

[somber heath]

I just want 1 thing: change back the cat mask please 😿🙏

[astral yacht]

Wish I could do that but I’m too afraid and I might hurt my voice

[tame edge]

Much as i like IAP to be less, I also worry that they do this because they need to keep the game going or even the company. Most mobile games get discontinued because the company got bankrupt especially if its completely free and all you get is Ads.
Im not trying to start an argument, I just also wonder about the company as well. as much as i hate to say they are being "greedy" They also need to pay their staffs to keep a living?
but you guys can make a criticism as well about this

[spark lance]

+1

[drowsy barn]

for a moment I thought it was about discord banning people for no reason because u changed ur pfp and I was about to say yesterday I changed my pfp and after I did I learned about what was happening to accs in discord
I have no idea how my brain came to that conclusion

[cold coral]

Same here.

[azure wolf]

🤣 haha you definitely have to pick the right times 🤣

[feral ether]

It let's me upload it whole but then says that I'm not able to play

[astral yacht]

At least I can do retsuko scream in my head lol

[spark lance]

I hope meow ears are hair accessories that can match any hair

[azure wolf]

This in fact helps too 🥲 but like briefly
Jobs need small spaces to just cry or scream in for ✨️stress relief✨️

[abstract fable]

There has never been any sharing of the company/crew expenses and it's uninteresting for this case. Players also have expenses they need to respect
And from what I observed, most mobile games that get discontinued for monetary reasons was after misplacement of profits, or turning the game uninteresting for the player base and so losing players

[astral yacht]

Work places definitely needs those

[rocky nest]

I hope they listen to us by Monday 🥰

[limpid moat]

oho you're on point to counter about these "They still need to pay their staffs"!

[tame edge]

i guess so haha

[drowsy barn]

I hope sky doesn't get discontinued though. It's one of the very few games I cling onto

[abstract fable]

Feel free to link them to that comment when someone says that

[gilded parrot]

Quick reminder!

Use this channel discuss Days of Mischief or other Beta-related topics! This keeps discussions organized in this testing phase.
For Season of AURORA chatter, head to #beta-season-test-chat
💭 Continue to send your feedback in #beta-feedback! This chat isn't a replacement for that.

[fervent beacon]

tbh im not a f2p but when i saw people said" Dev need to feed themselves too" then all i wonder that does the person pay for it need to feed themselves too?

[dull venture]

I have no idea whether this is accurate or not but I just looked up how much tgc ||employees makes hourly and salary and company overall revenue||…let’s just say the lowest I saw hourly is 12 and it can go up to like 98 hourly or not and revenue is 5M…yet..we are barely surviving off of these wack minimum wage pay hell I wish I was making 30+ we over here struggling with inflation and they got whole golf courses and employees that get paid double what we get where u think that money comes from…us I’m assuming..and all we ask for is to lower the prices a little I’m sure they won’t go bankrupt off of that I’m sure they have other games too after all they are a game company…I don’t know how money works in big companies like this but you can see how it looks from a regular persons point of view feel free to educate me if needed 🥰🤗

[abstract fable]

Yesterday sky's android fanbase managed to lower the game's score from 4.8 to 4.7 in the Google play store. We do matter and make a difference even if slowly

[abstract fable]

Yeah, you're totally right. They're a tech company based in California. There's no way they're dirt poor and need our money to survive

[spiral yacht]

cat hair igc when 💀

[dull venture]

True and I know California be expensive but Jesus are they getting bank

[limpid moat]

It be like guilt tripping us when "They need pays to feed themselves too"
for me this sounds similar to
companies rallying to "its your responsibility to stop using single plastic use" uhmm stop producing plastic its not about consumption of individuals its about the company itself still producing dangerous stuffs

[spark lance]

If Sky doesn't make profit they would close it and move to a new one, they don't need our money to survive as a company, but the game itself need people buying stuff to stay alive, after all, every multiplayer game need iap to keep going

[fervent beacon]

I agree this. No opinion is right here since eachother is on the other view and still dont understand eachother.

[azure wolf]

Same though. Before I started diving into everything, I genuinely loved certain aspects of the game...

[brave falcon]

If so they will need players, but what they are doing is making people turn their back on them

[limpid moat]

as regular IAPs buyer myself, all these pricing they been putting
(I STILL GRUDGE OVER SKY ANNIVERSARY BLUE GUITAR ,TRIUMPH HANDPAN & MARSHMALLOW KIT PRICES AND NO I STILL COULDNT BRING MYSELF TO PURCHASE ALL THESE)
gives me the irks cause obviously ITS BORDERING predatory to every players.

[fervent beacon]

I have no thing to say anymore. Cheers capitalism

[cedar abyss]

any developments on the cat mask situation within the last 12 hours?

[north locust]

oh dear it’s still going

[dull venture]

Preach🙌 like it’s vice versa here I know they need to make money but they ||damn|| sure are making more than us and I think that they should be more considerate because we all are in the same boat we all have individual lives and things to take care of I don’t approve of treating your consumers like robots like we don’t have lives ourselves

[spark lance]

I dont care about prices anymore

[spark lance]

Yeah, they need players, I never said they don't, but there's people saying that they don't need our money (and they're right) but Sky as a game need it to continue alive, I was just clarifying

[spark lance]

No, and we probably won’t hear till Monday since it’s technically the weekend

[brave falcon]

Understood and agreed, thank you

[abstract fable]

Which is why we players are requesting a big change. The playerbase is dying. The game has a hard time retaining players for a single month. Read the game reviews and you'll see this has been lasting for +2 years. The legit only reason I always see people give to stay in game, like 99% of the people I've talked to, it was because a friend(or friends) are playing. Once one friend stops playing, the whole group gradually leaves too because there's nothing but IAP to make it seem like it's worth your time

[fervent beacon]

Either way we still dont know will they listen to us or not. Or maybe they just made this up for fun and not listen to players? f2p players are still players. Im really tired of this all the time.

[drowsy barn]

Yeah call me foolish but I'm still clinging onto TGC believing that things would def improve. I think I'm still kind of stuck in that mentality where I don't want to believe everything is as bad as people say it is in sky. I don't know if this is too personal to mention so I'll delete if its not appropriate but my living environment isn't the best, my family relations are kind of unstable so I rely on games like Sky a lot to distract me from everything else going on

again I'll delete if it's too personal and inappropriate

[spark lance]

I personally think the feed backs are not really important to them
I mean come to think of it .... have they ever changed anything to players liking? I don't think so

[spark lance]

They're going to listen, but I don't think they're going to change the hair to be igc again since staff here had been saying that the decision was already made. They're probably going to make a down grade version igc, or at least a cat ears accesory. Either way, we are going to see it on monday

[limpid moat]

hiding beta pricing in beta is one of shady move tgc been doing, please dont just focus on getting the cat hair back to igc.
the fact they downgraded the cat mask from first version to second version simply cause its igc now its also another SHADY MOVE by them

[tawny hornet]

I'll be honest as a casual player who sometimes gets the iaps and plays with friends the only thing that has ever bothered me was the bloom but I think u guys are taking stuff way out proportions... If you really hate the game so much then don't play imo...

[abstract fable]

It's alright, your personal experience is still meaningful because it's an acknowledgement of the game's out-of-office environment, and it's important to know to understand the playerbase

[spark lance]

Flash backs of turtle accessory

[dull venture]

if that’s your play style then that’s completely ok but for the majority of the player base it is not we care about pricing and cosmetics because it’s basically the gameplay at this point so it’s really disappointing when we have to pay ridiculous prices out of our own pockets and if we don’t pay we get no items or a downgraded item it’s not fair on any level

[spark lance]

Nobody said they hated the game tho? I think you're misinterpreting what people are saying..

[limpid moat]

i mean you're casual player so thats understandable you have this understanding of situation of "taking stuff way out of proportions" yet as you can see, most of us need to held tgc countable for some of their shady moves for the sake of younger players as well from other countries.
i do not condone the act of some of tgc staff trying to guilt tripping us as well, if they try to get personal, we players can also use personal issues as well

[cedar abyss]

did tgc ever “explain” why they changed the cat mask??

[hoary goblet]

Yeah, they always make Interesting excuses for not implementing things that are highly requested, which is.. interesting. A good example is the light all feature. Everyone wants it and it's been highly requested since forever, however time and time again it was said that it would ruin the friendship aspect of the game (as if there is any at this point) and it would go against their design ideas. Which means that hearts are gifts in their words and not a currency and yadayada. Another example is the delete a friend feature. Similar excuse of 'We don't want players to regret deleting their friends!' There's been a lot of things that were highly requested but they refuse to implement because it wouldn't fit their idea for the game. I get what they mean by it not fitting their view of the game but, at the same time, it's just weird to deny such things that would make literally everyone happy and would fix the small long term issues that everyday players have

[drowsy barn]

Thank you. I was worried it would be inappropriate to mention anything too personal but I don't know how personal I can get without being too personal
But sky does help a lot just kind of relax in a way so I just don't want to believe that there would be such malicious intention behind a game that helped me so much

[brave falcon]

I will say my opinion about this.

This whole argument is not mainly about money, it starts by it but it was for other reason, if it was just about money only, people wouldn't spend (as far as I know) 36 hours to talk about it, it is about the development's respect to their players.

Owl: like it → free branch → season pass branch → ultimate
Summer umbrella: like it → candle purchase → iap
Lil Prince pants: iap → candle purchase by 200 candles+ TS
cat hair: like it → candle → iap (I mentioned this because..just look at those previous samples)
Cat mask: iap → candle purchase → ??? Quality

I feel the disrespectful for f2p community from dev. The beginning of this game is a connecting game to make friends and open for everyone and anyone 7+.
I've saw someone said: "oh it's already so so good because the game is free to download". So you don't need people maintenance after they downloaded it too?

Have I ever purchased iap in sky? Yes. Do I feel upset with this situation which affects directly to f2p community? Yes. Why? Because as I mentioned, it is not about money, it is about the respects to their own community.

This incident is just a drop of water that overflowed the glass.

[abstract fable]

At this point why don't they make this game a subscription game. Because without spending money there's nothing the game really offers you. All the good things the game has are the other players making it
Even if the make the cat hair free, I'm honestly not playing again, because this game has no actual gameplay besides grinding. And if I want to grind there's plenty of other games I can do so where there's amazing people to talk to

[late sonnet]

I don't think there is malicious intention, just a lot of miscommunication as much information is being thrown back and forth without rest or proper research into the source of rumours, bearing in mind personal bias affecting judgement.
I recommend stepping away from this chat if it stresses you out.

[azure wolf]

No no that's perfectly fine. I do the same thing with sky when I don't feel ready to deal with certain responsibilities/emotions. It's just nice to be able to run around with some people and laugh at glitches or cause chaos with them in eden
I want to hope things improve too because I don't want to leave a game that has potential, but like the company has been toxic to the players since.. who knows when it began...

[blazing creek]

taking a second to be excited for leaf cape

[spark lance]

Ye that's why I'm saying
They just go by what they want the game to be
Our opinions really doesn't matter
And the fact that without money the game is not really enjoyable
I had many new players saying how bad the game is lately they say there are crashes everywhere and also there is nothing fun other than cosmetics ... I think this explains well how bad the sky is becoming
If company continue this they will lose many players
I personally am leaving soon tbh

[merry vault]

I remember when a Lot of people called that cape as "Kazuha's cape" 🤣

[limpid moat]

Yes, i agree about this. from the first hour of positive feedbacks about the cat hair being igc, in my heart i know its going to be IAP, its blatantly obvious when my gut feelings proves true the next day.
and to see the cat mask downgraded to the second version when it turn to igc (while the icon is still the same as first version), i mean why they trying to fool us

[brave falcon]

It's fine honey, you have your own right to love + hate anything anyone as long as your things stay with you and has nothing to do with anyone else. No one can judge your own feelings to other when you didn't affect them from the beginning anyway

[dull venture]

And what’s worse some people actually make it a competition the toxic people of sky will call you poor or make themselves feel like they look better than you or show off they cosmetics when it really shouldn’t be like this the cosmetics in the game should be for everyone to afford especially for the younger players

how would you feel if u had to beg your guardian for $20 hair and $30 cape that they will see no value in because it’s a virtual item it’s not like you can wear these things irl but that’s how they see it but to us it’s how we express ourselves in the game and doing that is important because it lets us have our own identity

This may be personal but I have been struggling with self expression whole life and I have been bullied numerous occasions for liking horror or not fitting my stereotype so when I saw that sky had the dark dragon looking cape for this season I was all for it this game helps me with my self expression and self esteem it’s very healing ❤️

But to hide most of these items behind a paywall is absurd because the players that don’t pay have very little self expression it’s like tgc is asking people to pay for them to express themselves

[rotund reef]

Tbh it’s everybody here in this discord that got us anything cat-related at all… especially the hair/ears bc everybody kept asking for it. So tbf it should be available for everybody.

@blazing creek right! it’s going to look so good with that green aurora outfit!

[drowsy barn]

Yeah I think I should step back, I think I'm getting too emotional without meaning to Thanks for reminding me

And thank you @azure wolf and @brave falcon for your kind words

[blazing creek]

so excited for season of aurora

[abstract fable]

You say it well. The "it doesn't fit the game's spirit" excuse has been stretched too long. If players request something, we're bad fans because we don't respect the game's spirit. If it's for tgc's profit, step all over the game's spirit, it's a welcoming mat for profit
If they want to hear some stuff that doesn't fit the game's spirit:
. Over capitalisation of everything
. Torturous gameplay
. Long time of untouched and unimproved story
. Unreal and soul crushing social system that hurts the players' access to socialization, an essential game component

[azure wolf]

@drowsy barn I hope you can find some peace among the home and soon enough it'll all be behind you

[plain sky]

Explained it perfectly, I also spent a lot of money on sky but ever since shattering and seeing how it disappoint beta testers again and again, plus a $30 IAP costing almost $40 where I am it’s just too much

[peak loom]

So how's the cat hair situation going on?

[limpid moat]

Tbh, i do not care on the cat hair (i like my poofy cottonball or Prairie Elder hair more personally) Im just here to rally with others for tgc to
-make the cat hair igc again (cause majority like it)
-make the cat mask back to its first version if they're still going to make it igc
-show us pricing in beta
-balance out iap & igc items for DOMs (i have no complaint about Season of Aurora at this point)
-stop guilt tripping us

[brave falcon]

As I understand that you want more chances for everyone to have more ways for expressing themselves, I appreciate that. More importantly, I think it is also very important to have the confidence in yourself too honey, you are beautiful and you being yourself is p.e.r.f.e.c.t

[dull venture]

Thank you so much 🥺🥺🥰

[spark lance]

I'm going to mention things abt exploring experience in the game again.
You know like some ppl have said that sky is very boring now, no gameplay, only grind, some ppl turn to OOB.
As one of OOB enjoyer for almost 3yrs now, every update has constantly removing ways to do explore.
And they were saying it's bc these "tricks" were affecting this and that,
I don't think that's the real reason. Bc if it really was affecting something in the game, why is it become more buggy after they remove it. The glitches that explorers used was not harmful or affecting other players at all. And most of the time the explanation they gave abt removing the beloved tricks were very unsatisfactory, sometimes no explanation at all.
It's more like they want to try controlling the exploring experience, by providing map shrines, or that penguin wind maze.
Tbh most of explorers are old players, and most of them also have spent some money in game.
We are disappointed that we're supporting a company that doesn't even care of this side of the community, we had a lot of heartbreaks over heartbreaks every beta update.
Do they against explorers? Or someone said they hate Skytubers making money out of the OOB videos?

Sorry for the unrelated rant. But bc many ppl are voicing their thoughts of disappointment, i want to say sth too

[hoary goblet]

They're basically trying to make Sky something that it isn't and never will be, which is digging a hole for them 😭 Like it's this perfect game with perfect people who are all friendly and caring by, e.g., forcing the social aspect of the game (quests involving multiple people, it's great but not everyone has the time to gather people or even the people to do it with, aka solo players, thus preventing people from gaining seasonal candles and so on) and the 'hearts are a gift and not a currency!' whilst everyone knows how needed hearts are and people go above and beyond sometimes to try to get hearts. And much much more. They just have a really unrealistic view of the game where everyone is really happy and rainbows and all uwu friends, you know. I'm planning to quit soon as well with everything just gradually getting worse and worse:(

[drowsy barn]

thank you

[rotund reef]

Then you are in the safe non-soul-crushing zone my friend bc I have this terrible feeling that TGC might just get rid of the hair all together. I mean… it’s a possibility is it not? 😭 😬

[zealous spindle]

TGC takes advantage of the fact that its community is general, passive and conformist and they are always going to do dirty things like this, like when they released the anniversary guitar that was the same as one that had come out recently in a season and that they only changed your skin and gave it to you. They sold for 20 dollars, or let's not talk about those things that can cost you 10 dollars at most, but you always sell them to us for 20 dollars or more because they give you a package of unnecessary things, candles and there are many other cases like that.

     But this always remains in the hands of consumers, our hands.  If we always let them do this kind of thing to us, they will never change, they will always continue to be unfair to the players because we can't afford to buy these things.  Tgc strives to get article after article, at ridiculous prices and never makes the same effort to optimize your game, the thousands of errors always and with each update they come more.

     As I said before in a comment and my anger

[brave falcon]

I understand the price differences in each country, but to talk about it I would like to prefer putting it in $ because it's easier to compare the values of them. And yeah some just can't get worthy you know, don't get me start with the Marshmallow thingy that can't even work without fire in the area :).

[limpid moat]

it irks me (again im one of solid IAPs buyer as i also bought IAPs for my friends) to see how scheming tgc been doing for the past months and this current beta update just tipped me off. If TGC keeping this path for DOMs, I will boycott and i hope the rest do the same as well. Hurt them where it matter.

[orchid badge]

is anyone else unable to update to the latest beta version? I came to think it was the fault of my phone memory, but no.

[hoary goblet]

Oh god the lore, and they're excuse for that is 'We want players to be creative and come up with ideas!' whilst so many players want more lore and have been requesting it for so long

[limpid moat]

everything is possibility to be honest. I put hope they won't because i know majority been waiting for cat hair to come to Sky. If they didnt change cat hair back to the first beta update based on majority feedbacks, then i hope everyone understand at this point the path tgc taking.

[carmine thorn]

tbh, that quote translates more as "We've ran out of ideas, you make some up."

[abstract fable]

They could have explored the oobs potential so much after noticing the fanbase liked it so much. They could have made it a feature, acknowledge it, or even advance it. Imagine if by oobing they'd expand the original maps and spirits
Instead they take them away and let glitches like chat muting glitch stay around

[brave falcon]

Yeah, after everything, they are all gonna end in the very main reason that getting distracted by other things: Respect
This is not the first time and it's 2022, not 2018 or 2019, excuses are getting old and they need to accept that they are really straying from their original purpose

[plain sky]

Fair enough for the price thing, but yeah for the price the marshmallow sticks are it’s just…it’s somthing

And the tgc gutair that’s just a mellow gutair reskin for an insane price I can’t remember

[naive dragon]

the aurora season is going to give us more lore than the shattering season tbh and am quiet excited for that but its still upsetting whats happening in the halloween one

[hoary goblet]

I mean yeah, basically 💀 It's giving a tad of 'No that's too much effort lol, have fun with the scraps tho' as well

[limpid moat]

your phone update is latest version? if not, maybe that?

[tribal charm]

it has been two days since the beta discussion channel got popular, here's some 🍿 and 🥤 for y'all
also just to check the cd of this channel

[blazing creek]

does aurora season have its own area? I looks to me like it’s just a bunch of placed down things such as tables and bonfires at the end of a valley race area.

[orchid badge]

system update has nothing to do with this type of problem unless the system version is extremely obsolete (my Android is 11)

[abstract fable]

Oh yeah, you just reminded me. Heart buying with real money is a real thing that happens in the community. People do sell their hearts daily for a specified time in return of money. Yeah...this really fits in the spirit of the game I guess. Seems like it's more important too not bother changing than actually imrpoving

[dense egret]

lmao reacts are still off

upd for @brave falcon : yes, they always were a thing here

[hoary goblet]

Wanted to mentioned that but sensed that it might get deleted since we're not really allowed to discuss that👨‍🦯
Edit: Instead of seeking the root of the problem and why people sell and buy hearts, they implement the anti heart trading system instead which affects regular players as well
Edit: They also never properly address it or explain how it works, good job

[gilded parrot]

Quick reminder!

Use this channel discuss Days of Mischief or other Beta-related topics! This keeps discussions organized in this testing phase.
For Season of AURORA chatter, head to #beta-season-test-chat
💭 Continue to send your feedback in #beta-feedback! This chat isn't a replacement for that.

[brave falcon]

I'm new here, can I ask did reacts was supposed to be on?

[rotund reef]

Alright I’ll join you all on the boycott thing BUT the moment I see everybody else buying the cat pack then I’m buying it too bc I’m not missing out on something really good if I’m able to get it… and if nobody else is taking the boycotting seriously.

[tribal charm]

yes, but because of the sign of "rude behaviour", they got it off

[abstract fable]

If they delete then it really shows how hypocrite they are because that heart issue has been requested loudly by players to be solved since almost day one

[brave falcon]

Wow... That's just the most unreasonably thing I've ever heard of? Idk, I'm here with no reacts anyway.
For me it's just a way to vote how is the statement

[naive dragon]

i dont think there is a new area no its just like u said unfortunately

[cold coral]

Boycotting too.

[plain sky]

since the arena was used for the final dreams quest to preform with the skater I guess they’re gonna do the same thing for Aurora, last quest will be a preformance.

Still though Dreams had it’s own area atleaat 😕

[gilded parrot]

Quick reminder!

Use this channel discuss Days of Mischief or other Beta-related topics! This keeps discussions organized in this testing phase.
For Season of AURORA chatter, head to #beta-season-test-chat
💭 Continue to send your feedback in #beta-feedback! This chat isn't a replacement for that.

[hoary goblet]

It's more so to not bring attention to it as it's against ToS and yadayada but yeah, I agree People have wanted various different ways to get hearts as it's only limited to friends, but because of what I'm guessing is their perfect 'game design ideas' they've pretty much refused it and ignored us. There's a lot of wrong with the heart currency strictly depending on friends. The funniest part about it is how against they are hearts being used and seen as a currency, but are 'gifts of friendship.' Goes back to the whole trying to force uwu sky is all about friendship and rainbows and there's totally nothing wrong and everyone is absolutely happy

[tribal charm]

Not really i think?
Sure that is how you upvote a nice statement, but when the chat was aggressively active, they started to spam emojis instead of doing upvote things
so it's not a completely wrong move from devs

[limpid moat]

another gentle reminder :
1️⃣ Triumph Handpan (the only one handpan instrument, so i might forgive just a bit) : 19.99USD = MYR79.00
2️⃣ Marshmallow rack kit (can't give us wax at all when we eat it) : 19.99 USD = MYR79.00
3️⃣ Sky Anniversary guitar (just reskin of mellow musician guitar, rhythm guitar is BETTER) : 29.99USD = MYR129.00
💸 conversion rate is reality of our life as well!
TGC and their defenders be like "but it has candles" i dont care about candles in it, if i want candles in a pack, I CAN JUST BUY CANDLE PACK, STOP USING THIS EXCUSE FOR THE HIGH PRICE

[brave falcon]

Understandable

[feral ether]

I'm just
So happy that Aurora is in the game

[cold coral]

30$ for a guitar??

[blazing creek]

and it’s only a reskin too😭

[quick oyster]

guess that's their whole part of making money, for me the prices are very extream but i guess they would leave it like that

[dense egret]

this ⬆️

[quiet obsidian]

hello there beta chat what are we discussing now? Still cat hair discourse or have things moved on a bit

[rotund reef]

Right? And all 3 of the electric guitars look alike too

[hoary goblet]

People are still on it and rightfully so, although this isn't about a single cosmetic as plenty of people have already tried to explain that here

[tribal charm]

It seemed that things got cooling down.
Cooling down but still burning.

Want some popcorn? 🍿

[neon belfry]

IAP item/reskin being more expensive than an one adventure pass is very surprising- shouldn’t be the IAP be more cheaper than an adventure pass?-

[uncut tree]

Ohhhh this is true

[spark lance]

Exactly!! It should not be more expensive than AP which gives many times more the items :/

[quiet obsidian]

yeah no i totally get that, i’m annoyed too. But it’s reached a point where i’m too tired to engage in discussion or regularly watch the chat

@tribal charm oh man i love popcorn

[ivory dirge]

[limpid moat]

oh to top it off, those items pricing is equivalent or more than the AP 3 players bundle 😊

[tribal charm]

here is your snack kit: 🍿🍿🥤🥤
hope chu enjoy

[mossy river]

Same, just watching it is tiring

[brave falcon]

Sending it again because it seems to have more people than before now, please check if it was ok.

I will say my opinion about this.

This whole argument is not mainly about money, it starts by it but it was for other reason, if it was just about money only, people wouldn't spend (as far as I know) 36 hours to talk about it, it is about the development's respect to their players.

Owl: like it → free branch → season pass branch → ultimate
Summer umbrella: like it → candle purchase → iap
Lil Prince pants: iap → candle purchase by 200 candles+ TS
cat hair: like it → candle → iap (I mentioned this because..just look at those previous samples)
Cat mask: iap → candle purchase → ??? Quality

I feel the disrespectful for f2p community from dev. The beginning of this game is a connecting game to make friends and open for everyone and anyone 7+.
I've saw someone said: "oh it's already so so good because the game is free to download". So you don't need people maintenance after they downloaded it too?

Have I ever purchased iap in sky? Yes. Do I feel upset with this situation which affects directly to f2p community? Yes. Why? Because as I mentioned, it is not about money, it is about the respects to their own community.

This incident is just a drop of water that overflowed the glass.

[hoary goblet]

Oh yeah people are definitely free to discuss other things, I get that it can get annoying, but yeah the topic is still popping up here and there. Can't wait til next week for something from TGC, it'll happen all over again mostly likely 😭

[abstract fable]

Aurora season and being happy for it is being talked about in the seasons beta channel, since there, and anywhere else in the server, people are aggressive against discussions about the game future

[limpid moat]

I will rally for boycotting Days of Mischief in Live and i will point out every shady moves TGC been doing if they still stick to current beta update and has no intention to move to the majority feedbacks by next week.

[quiet obsidian]

😋 why thank you, gonna fade into obscurity again and watch from a distance

[radiant drum]

Income and expenses in game development are likely not separate by events. In live service games a high percentage of said income comes from high-priced cosmetics and big spenders, I'd say this is part of the reason TGC can keep season passes relatively affordable and the same price since launch and gratitude despite them increasing significantly in size/content

[vestal crow]

I find it funny how expensive some of the iaps cost cause in reality if they lowered the prices more people would actually consider buying them which then would end up in a win-win situation where the players are happy and tgc is making a greater profit off cosmetics

[violet echo]

just notice that all halloween IAPs will cost me more than 100 dollars…🤯🤯🤯

[abstract fable]

If it's that hard to keep sky afloat that there needs to be a hundreds dollar pricetag every month then maybe do like other companies do and move to where server location is less expensive, or actually invest in in playerbase retention, or just sell the game to another studio that can do better

[radiant drum]

While we can't know for sure in Sky unless TGC shares this data, that's not always true. There's lot of studies that show that people that are willing to spend money in microtransactions often do generously, and lowering the prices isn't a reliable strategy to increase income

[neon belfry]

bruh i wanna react to chats so badly;;;; wanna show how i feel rn

[whole dust]

To add on to this, the high prices are also partially the fault of the playerbase. A company will not change a high price as long as people continue to buy it and the company continues to make a profit. From a business standpoint, TGC has no reason to change the price as long as people keep buying it

[vestal crow]

oh I see, maybe that’s just me then 😅 whenever I see something in game costing over $20 I tend to just ignore it completely

[abstract fable]

✨✨ reminder to access your preferred mobile app store and leave a review voicing your concerns and a truthful approach to it. ✨✨ Don't let you voice get drown in the hundreds of posts here. Share it how much you can. ✨✨ don't let newer players get caught up with this company. They, and we, deserve better. ✨✨

[radiant drum]

Lack of reactions make us sad too, but it's for a good reason. When emotions are running high and people have a lot to discuss sadly they can facilitate a mob mentality or rudeness instead of encouraging discussions. Keeping chat text-only gives everyone the opportunity to fully explain their thoughts and participate rather than just spectate This is a temporary measure and they will be enabled again at a later time

[spark lance]

Free items in the game are vry difficult to obtain, like toast said: hearts, ascended too now.. candle run daily also took effort. it took ppl years to be able to get cool hairstyles in game, or cape colors that they like. And now, the ultimate mask need how long of grind, the IGC pricing is ridiculous! Plus the TS items, if you missed, might be years for it to return again.
Of course things like this will make IAP appealing, easy to access, only spend money rather than tiring grind to get a free item.
Effort ppl have to put to obtain free item....... tears and blood were shed, ppl who can't spend real money has to go through burnouts to get things they like.
So i understand why when reading beta update there might be sth obtainable free, worth the effort bcz it's good looking, ppl were so so so happy. And the disappointment is understandable. 😢

[abstract fable]

Omg that is the most hurtful staff reply I've read even after Ktjl guilt tripping. It's just a formal way of saying "well yeah, we don't care because it isn't a worry for us"

[radiant drum]

I think as players we should definitely set limits to how much we are willing to spend in the media we consume, and realistically that's the most direct way to "send" live feedback on prices to the company alongside written thoughts (in this server's case, #live-feedback and #beta-feedback). But if we are talking about profits, live service games have been thoroughly researched and marketed a certain way for a reason, whether we might personally agree or not

It's okay to disagree with the system they use, but they have professionals handling this to keep the game running. They are responsible for achieving a balance between paid content and free content though, which we can also help shape

[signal sedge]

popping in to remind everyone to step away and take a breather if they need it, its good to talk and criticize but make sure to take care of yourselves!! We most likely won’t get any response untill monday as it is the weekend and i belive tgc has seen our thoughts.

[radiant drum]

To be clear, I am not a TGC employee but a regular player. There's room for nuance in disagreeing with the way they communicate things and make pricing decisions, while still supporting them and wanting them to improve from here

Edit: It's alright

[abstract fable]

Oh I read "we" and thought you meant staff like mods and devs

[raw wasp]

Guilt tripping? Pardon?

[kindred prawn]

exactly. I myself LOVE the memorycandle wall glitches and i have a friend who loves the teleportation aspect of it. He uses it to get to penguin, the elders in vault, disneyland, etc... but now we both cant do anymore of that bc TGC removed that "glitch"

Something llike that hwich isnt harming anyone shouldnt be removed, we as players love it.

God forbid the day they remove the eden wall glitch...

[hasty moth]

honestly i wish theyd give us prices back in beta so we can give accurate feedback on whether or not we would pay that much for iaps
having it just listed as "free" is just.. idk. it feels like a coverup from the backlash they got frim the music shop and the anniv guitar

[limpid moat]

to be honest, i dont mind paying for IAPs, even with these conversion rate from USD to MYR.
What bugs and disturb me is when these pricing and IAPs
put F2P players at their expense of being neglected with mediocre and downgraded items.
i applaud the Ultimate Gift move cause yeah IAPs buyer might get one or two special items out of what they're paying.
But not when i saw what happened with the current cat mask move.
(please also check @brave falcon last text about Respect)
It seems for future, positive feedbacks on items shouldn't be shown as to ensure the good items would not be IAP anymore.

[past fiber]

I agree on that. Feels like "duh" if you ask me.

[signal sedge]

^^ this!! beta is for suggestions and testing things its kinda odd that they had it for so long then changed it when the community utilized it and expressed frustration with things?

[raw wasp]

I think it would be nice if they showed halfway through the expected testing cycle? I think it (in theory) would mean the first half is focused on quality based feedback and players naming baseline prices theyd like and then the second half is abt pricing

[whole dust]

The only issue I'd see with this is that the playerbase is not fully informed well enough on what sells best in the sky store, we can believe that making an item cheaper is the better option and that more people would buy it, but in terms of their current sales it might mean a lower profit for TGC. We just don't know enough about the economic aspect of the company to make fully informed decisions on this.

[blissful wing]

the problem is a lot of sky players are teens from 13-16 (at least most of my friends are) and they most likely have to ask their parents for money to spend on cosmetics and ap. 1-5 NZD is understandable. More than that is just very bad monetising. hopefully we can see the price soon, or at least at the end of the testing cycle.

[raw wasp]

Cus an apparent factor in the change was not really getting enough good feedback on the items other than “too expensive! Please lower the price!”

That kind of feedback was good but it was drowning out all the other kinds of feedback

That’s the reason TGC gave us as far as i’m aware

[abstract fable]

Then it's time they are open about the change on the game's direction and spirit, and accept this is a game with a constant dying community with no in-game interest points after Eden, and it is company intended for the players to stop playing after it

[blissful wing]

are we allowed to rant to the devs in feedback
im not normally rude, i'm just angry tgc is using us like this

[limpid moat]

Good idea, i might send feedback using this. at least we can give feedback about solution than merely asking them to lower prices

[radiant drum]

We're allowed to send constructive criticism, angry rant or otherwise, as long as we keep it civil. Things like explain why you are upset, without being rude, the same way you would communicate in the public channels with others

[blissful wing]

I see, thank you miri

[abstract fable]

This instead of what they've portrayed of a sky culture, of kind players get together and social sharing. There's plenty of one-time-play and dress-up mobiles games and there's nothing wrong with that. But that's not what the game was marketed as when I downloaded

[harsh panther]

Guys, who liked the new season? I love!

[gilded parrot]

Quick reminder!

Use this channel discuss Days of Mischief or other Beta-related topics! This keeps discussions organized in this testing phase.
For Season of AURORA chatter, head to #beta-season-test-chat
💭 Continue to send your feedback in #beta-feedback! This chat isn't a replacement for that.

[indigo totem]

The channel got quiet suddenly...

[quiet obsidian]

skybot killed it

[radiant drum]

@forest laurel please keep chatter in English, unfortunately we can't support other languages here

[cloud glen]

Are we still talking about the cat mask thing, I'd really like to put in my opinion on it

[tropic bough]

If you discourage people with those low reviews in the App Store what you think is gonna happen? Less people will join which equals less money and more iap to try to gain more revenue

[radiant drum]

Feel free to share The discussion is still pretty active, but even if it wasn't all thoughts are welcome and the mischief event just started recently

Just a reminder that if you haven't already, please also send your thoughts to #beta-feedback! There's where TGC staff can read it, while mostly players discuss here

[quiet obsidian]

go ahead and speak your mind! doesn’t matter if the conversation has died a little, every opinion should be heard in this kind of situation imo

[forest laurel]

but to collect if they are good

[rapid reef]

It's about time we have this outburst. TGC has been going downhill and this year has just been awful over all for their community. There always had been signs but for some reason the community goes silent every time. They are told to move on, to give TGC a break because they are people too. It's harsh but TGC is a company with employee, when we talk about what's going on we are not talking about the employee but the entire company as an entity.

We want to see TGC improve. We want to see changes, we don't ask for promises nor for perfection. We want to see TGC do better and grow in a better direction then the one they are taking.

[lusty shore]

Lol

[storm vessel]

There are a lot of good new content keep it up!

[cloud glen]

ok then, here we go, I am not at ALL happy that TGC decided to make the cat har an IAP. I can understand it from a business standpoint, but they're not making it fair to their players. I wish they could've kept the cat mask the same. I feel like all the good games that I love and have loved playing are going downhill, I'm sad to see TGC doing this to us. Bring back the IGC Cat hair!

[dense knoll]

Tbh guys
No matter how long yall drag this subject the truth is… this is something the company chose while considering many many points about it… the stuff me or any one of u probably don’t have any idea about!
And again DO remember if there was never a beta version of this game none of us would ever know there was a possibility for this item not to be IAP and so none of us would complain about it

[forest laurel]

Lol they wouldn't let me write

[thick fossil]

I really can't accept that cat ears become bundled packages.

[spark lance]

We aren't dragging on the subject. We are giving feedback that they're asking for.

[undone haven]

We will drag this* thing as long as we can because their strategy is waiting for this flame that was ignited to die off and be forgotten.

[tight junco]

Bruh...Honestly, I've been seeing similar stuff from the f2p community since 2019. 👁️👄👁️

[cloud glen]

this isn't us "dragging on the subject," this is us trying to fix TGC's view on this stuff-

[thick fossil]

I don't even know what TGC is thinking.

[forest laurel]

Sky each time it is getting so bad that it already needs a blow of humility because this was a spit in the face of the community that cannot pay so much. on top of that they ruin the cat mask the wicked

[dense knoll]

Its not about TGC
Every company will do its best to make profits from the services they are giving
No one does anything for free right?
And in this specific subject the company saw many positive feedbacks on the item they made so of course they changed it to IAP!

[quiet obsidian]

“dragging the subject on” is our only way to get any change to happen. It probably won’t change. But it ABSOLUTELY won’t change if we don’t kick up a fuss. So to everyone in here? Keep voicing your opinions. Keep talking, because fighting for a slight chance of change is better than sitting down and taking defeat.

[storm vessel]

Cost of production got to be covered somehow. They actually gave a lot of free stuff and a lot of free to play items, don't let just one item puts you down...

[tight junco]

What's this item everyone is mad about tho?

[undone haven]

I remember of the terror 12 months ago when TGC brought the Juggler just before the exclusive sword pants were about to be removed from purchasing... truly FOMO strategy pulled on us...

[rocky nest]

you're missing the point

[cerulean gazelle]

I think everyone understands that. Most people here aren't talking about this one item only

[pulsar mica]

I know right!!

[radiant drum]

Reminder to respect each other's opinions and keep things civil. We don't all have to agree on this, in fact you'll find many varying opinions in chat, but we can still discuss them without making it personal or trying to convince others to change their mind

[dense knoll]

💜

[thick fossil]

Everyone here just expresses their personal opinions, and the final decision is still in TGC's hands, families.

[cloud glen]

That's the point, they saw people liking their IGC item and thought, "Let's make a whole bunch of kids upset because their parents won't let them buy the item that they want!" As I stated before, I can see why they would do it from a business standpoint, but if they really did care about their players' opinions, they most likely wouldn't have done it

[rocky nest]

OMG who's the person with cat symbol in their name keep typing please

it's adorable

[undone haven]

True, the thing is we have to be loud because just like an employee, we can be replaced (old players who leave because of TGC's decision and new players joining with each update and PS4-5 upcomming one)

[honest wren]

I can’t see teh kitty ;c

[shadow stratus]

They already had the changes made before our reaction, it just so happened to not be on the first update but on the second
Also ⬇️

[hoary goblet]

You make a point however this isn't about cosmetics anymore. For the past 2 days people have been explaining time and time again that this is no longer about a single cosmetics but it was the last straw for a lot of people, and rightfully so. As TGC has been making horrible decisions for years, extremely poor communication between the team, support and players and much more. Also, realistically speaking it wouldn't be changed overnight and it's just a conspiracy theory. Whilst it's 100% shady to do, realistically it'd take days of talking and coding to switch it like that, it can't happen overnight. I don't agree with TGC but taking a random wild theory and running with it as a fact doesn't help anyone

[radiant drum]

For reference, it's been stated that the decision to change the cat hair from IGC to IAP happened about a week before days of mischief even started in Beta. While disappointing and subject to change, TGC did clarify it wasn't an overnight reaction to player feedback

[rapid reef]

It's worth remembered that TGC created a fear of missing out very early in their game, when they tried to tackles bringing season back, they went with it way too poorly and ever since. This fear of missing out has slowly been cultivated. It stopped being only connected to seasons as this fear of missing out grew to IAPs and items. Remember the earth cape, the one that had a little leaf on it's back? I have yet to see it return. There's collabs that will never return as well. As it stand, items that are cosmetics that will never come back has been amplifying this fear of missing out and it create this pressure to consumers to invest. I have seen many people buy items they don't even like just so they have it in fear it will never return in the future at a time they had changed their mind.

And this year TGC has clearly been targeting this fear of missing out a lot by pushing so many IAPs.

[rocky nest]

@coral cosmos thank you and adorable day BTW

[tight junco]

Honestly, seeing the state of the game right now and how TGC is keeps on treating f2p players further validates my decision to leave Sky last year (I was buying every single item and pass btw). The situation hasn't changed at all, if anything it became worse.

[cloud glen]

That might be true, but at least the cat mask change seemed kind of rushed, as the new updated mask, still has the old masks icon in beta

Dang, everyone disappeared lol

[astral yacht]

Ikr

[rapid reef]

We are all reading the document.

[teal spire]

Enjoy the rare moments of silence.

[cloud glen]

what document ???

[teal spire]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JqfjQ4nJ1i48ngVVi8kOumZwaB8FidvbQDY18xt7X3g/edit?usp=sharing

[shy knoll]

amazing explanations and even provided detailed sources, loving this doc

[quiet obsidian]

just sent this to all my close non-beta friends, thank you so much for making it man

[teal spire]

@coral cosmos

[cerulean gazelle]

I have already read it before and I really appreciate it. It really captures the essence of mine and a lot of other's thoughts in a civil, constructive and straightforward way. Couldn't say it better myself, thank you! I think most of us want to see Sky and TGC succeed after all

[cloud glen]

just real quick, is it ok that I'm joining the argument on here and I'm not in beta?

[rustic tundra]

I just want they bring fisrt design cat mask back

[spark lance]

that doc, chef's kiss and good tea

might as well (no pressure at all) include whole charity thing when they stated that they won't disclose charities beforehand during dor and don (days of rainbow and nature)
and as well that only little from iap goes to charities (if i'm wrong, pls tell)

[quiet obsidian]

absolutely! it’s ok to give feedback in here and the feedback channels even if you’re not in beta, as long as you know about what’s being discussed, which i assume you do

[subtle juniper]

So far for what I readed,this document is very well written and does explain stuff really good. I wanted to congrat your effort on the research, information and the effort on writing this. I Will keep reading now

[mossy river]

Yeah, I was loving how it looked and now it's a no go for me in the state it's in

[shadow stratus]

The mask will be likely changed, not sure if for better than the first version.
I for one am one of the people who prefer the mask over the hair, at least if its not like what it looks right now

[cloud glen]

Also, with what the document says, I personally, and although i like a few of the ultimate gifts, think that ultimate gifts should NOT come back, it's like a limited edition thing, and knowing this, if they bring those things back, it'll probably be at least 30$ USD for each item

[undone haven]

We need to write a list of bugs that need to be fixed (Boat/Door not opening sometimes bug), QOL features that need to be added (option to disable cutscenes) and changes that need to be done (More TS with cheaper prices for each season added).

[tawny spear]

I think its a pretty solid doc

[past fiber]

Come to think of it, we still don't know the charities for this year's Days of Rainbow.

[abstract fable]

It's not the f2p community and I'd like people to stop laying all the issue on players that play for free. Many people commenting have spent money, many people leaving the game have spent money, even I have spent money on sky. There's probably more P2P players complaining than f2p as they usually just accept it and move on
Don't blame f2p players

[astral yacht]

Days of rainbow was two months ago and we still don’t know? Wow

[spark lance]

fr??? i saw someone today saying that they bought something during one or another event just to support charity (let's say X) bc they thought money will go there and at the end charity X wasn't even included

I’ve my heavy criticisms with the document, but it’s very well organized! thanks for sharing it

[abstract fable]

I prefer me and other players were paying $30 for owl hair, an item with good design and idea, over rushed items like marshmallow on a stick

[rapid reef]

Your document is very well thought out and really highlight some major issues.

And that you're open to added on it more of TGC's issues in a more generalised fashion and not just over the beta testing and recents happening is very refreshing. It will also help to have something with every compiled issues in it to use as a reference to what is being discussed and recurring.

[cerulean gazelle]

If you are going to put events outside 2022 then maybe the sword pants+Juggler situation should be mentioned, it was a pretty big deal

[subtle juniper]

The document is just ✨ I love to see written the experience of someone Who was there and watched everything happen. I just would like if you could add your name somewhere as of credits,even tho you don't have to

[undone haven]

Im a P2P player and have spend more then 400+€ on exclusive FOMO items. Thinking back, I wish I didn't spend anything at all knowing that I could enjoy the game without funding TGC's predatory choices to reap money from children...

[abstract fable]

They probably bought Starbucks coffee for all LGBT+ staff in the office and considered it done

[drowsy barn]

I really liked how detailed and how you addressed all the issues in a really constructive way that didn't just point fingers to TGC Thanks for compiling everything in an easy to understand and formal way. I hope you get some rest

[brisk bane]

||plot twist all the money was pocketed /j||

[spark lance]

I- 💀

[shadow stratus]

The dancer performancer from Dreams will come back at the same time that the 2 candle stuff at the top that Aurora offer unlocks, mark my words.
I replied to the wrong message lmao, was meant to be the one who mentioned the juggler and prince pants.

[signal sedge]

i mean, it just feels kinda odd to not share what the proceeds are going to donation wise? or what proceeds of the iap are? like that seems like smth that should have been communicated…

[astral yacht]

I wonder if they donated at the same charity from last year if so why didn’t they say, not the mention thatskyshop. :/

[undone haven]

Believe it or not, Sky's gameplay and core is cosmetics. Showing off your new style to others. And because of that it is the same as P2W games where people buy the strongest items to beat others very easly. Heck even sky is is P2W, the summer umbrella which is IAP, some accessories that can help you dodge/block krills and other items...

[brisk bane]

The props hiding you was patched out tho

[cloud glen]

In the feedback section for the discord server is it ok to complain ASK abt the cat hair?

[viscid garnet]

I strongly agree with this point sadly.

[spark lance]

Sky’s tangible gameplay is cosmetics, but it’s idea was oriented around connection. The vision vs. mechanics are often at odds with each other, because of a variety of reasons

[undone haven]

There are light props (TS or IAP) which block a krills attack and there is the crab hat (IAP) which burrows you underground and removes the krills focus.

[sly current]

This is a little outside of the game, but I feel adding the nightmare that is how some things on thatskyshop are handled is noteworthy. Mostly how long shipping is and how some items are so, so weirdly priced.
100+ bucks for three pins and a poster isn’t as worth it as TCG believes it to be..

[abstract fable]

This x100 times

[shadow stratus]

Krill blocking could be done with any prop (stickers included) , and it is removed on the current version of live.
The second one isnt pay to win because its a spell and a very inconsistent one for wasteland too

[brisk bane]

To add on to this the spell was exclusively DoM if I remember correctly

[viscid garnet]

but that's a spell compare to something that you can keep for a long time so it's kind of pay to win

[undone haven]

Thanks, good to know that. I almost krilled myself today if I had my light prop with me.

[hoary goblet]

It's not for questions so you won't get an answer from anyone but if you want to go ahead. You're free to complain as well as long as it's done respectfully (no name calling, insults or targeting anyone specifically) Feedback channel is for expressing your opinions, basically, so feel free. If it's a genuine question though you won't get an answer

[flat willow]

Now i agree with you that the FOMA is by design, but let us not forget about the vets who kicked and screamed at them for even thinking of bringing back comsetics that were behind a paywall in the season for igc as a travelling item. It was understadable at the time, since it felt unfair that "i had to pay 10 bucks and work for a week to grind for the object with seasonal candles that are more difficult to get than normal candles" and the concept of returning cosmetics was new and now there were the new android players who felt it was unfair that they could never get what the ios players had bc "wrong device buddy". The travelling system made sense at the time since there were a handful of seasons, but it REALLY isnt time proof and heavily needs a revamp. For the colab items? Im with you on that one sis 🧋

[mossy river]

Hate to say it but those spells cant be pay to win anyway because you can "win" without them. Krills have predictable movements and wasteland has places to hide...or you could tp home.

[astral yacht]

I was thinking the same thing, some players that brought the items still haven’t gotten any. When thatskyskop came out I wanted to buy a crab plush but after hearing how it would take months for the package to arrive I didn’t want it anymore

[shadow stratus]

Yeah, krills were set to hit props instead of us, so no matter what you placed near you, it would draw their attention so it wouldnt hit you (even if you were on the way)

[abstract fable]

If Sky identifies as a social game made mainly for socialization, then any IAP item used for socialization ( including tables, clothes, deco,...) is to be considered as p2w